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Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine. And sometimes, people ask for help. Stop getting pissy about that.
Discuss the shitty art and even shittier attitude of artists
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse!
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Recent Art Milk:
Like nothing of note. Feel free to link highlights yourself but nothing sticks out to me.
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:https://anony.link/https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://anony.link/https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://anony.link/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.
Previous Thread: >>886828
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yueko getting ballsy with her pro nft stance by putting one of the hate comment she received as nft, i think hanging out with crypto orbiters all day really got to her head
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Nothing says mature adult like stalking someone’s profile because they said they don’t support nfts. She’s a full-blown cow now. >>934462
She actually does constantly name search herself on Twitter which is why she’s always whinging about Twitter drama, as if she isn’t the one actively looking for reasons to be pissy. She needs to go and get a job that isn’t fully online.
She didn't even "receive a hate comment," the OP of the tweet was pinging their anti-nft mutuals in case they didn't realize they were still following her. Yueko wasn't even tagged, there was no call to action for people to stop supporting her; presumably the people who were unfollowing her based on the tweet already weren't paying any attention to yueko or actively supporting her anyway lmfao.
Of all the things for yueko to shit her pants over, this is nothing.
I think I remember this one. I think it was Rev/Revolocities? I do remember super old drama where he was accused of "stealing" a smaller artist's art style a long time ago but since his fanbase was huge they all dogpiled on the smaller artist.
urct/uracata still posts on Twitter nowadays from the looks of it, but their Tumblr blog is password protected.
If you follow urct om toyhouse they actually spoke how the artist tried to blackmail them and they now suffer from ptsd. Even when urct wanted nothing to do with it anymore, their friends would dm them constantly to "say sorry"
The artist you're talking about is rainubrew btw, who still uses a similar style.
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Saging cause old drama, but I recall the friends writing essays to urct who struggled to understand eng.
1/3 of the reflection post
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2/3 of the reflection post
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The example dm urct shared
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Sorry for the spam, but the comment about urct brought back so much deviant art memories for me. Rainubrew's friend was also caught making fake screenshots against another user here. If you read the comments, their friends brigaded the userhttps://www.deviantart.com/yoclesh/journal/Fake-Screenshots-Of-Me-LAST-UPDATE-743606148
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thank you anons. you're a godsend. i had a feeling the artist's apology might have been fake since i didn't recall them making any posts telling their followers to lay off, but i didn't know that it ran deeper and they continued the harassment after urct left the platform. the fact that they were so soft in their apology while blackmailing the jp artist behind the scenes is par for the course with "uwu types". looks like they still have the larger following.
As far as I remember people considered him really elitist in the UTAU fandom, the main thing he'd do was to redesign some UTAUs and lowkey make it seem like his designs were better than the "official" ones. I wasn't in the fandom back then so the stuff I know is surface level, but I do remember some people also saying that he'd also sometimes make fun of how some UTAUs sounded. Considering how UTAUs are 90% of the time made by fans, it was literally him mocking other fans' works.
Some anons might have more milk on this, but this is all I can remember right now. Rev isn't milky anymore though (as far as I am aware, I stopped following him years ago), all of this is old stuff.
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She's extremely disliked in the NZ art community too and has a habit of fucking over other artists and even kicked another artist from their table so she could have a massive table at a small con, cause of her neckbeard fanbase piling at her table it blocked the entrance and blocked attendees from entering the venue.
-deviantArt is still good
-Discords based around markets is what you want to look for
-Artistsnclients is a good non-furry marketplace
-Ko-Fi also has commission, but that requires advertising on your part
-Not many people mention Etsy, but I've sold commissions there pretty quick when I offered it. Their site setup and advertising makes it a good tool.
-eBay, believe it or not
-tumblr is okay
but still better than Twitter for commissions
If you can auction commission slots on the YCH commishes website, too
Hope it helps you, nonna
*you can auction commission slots on the YCH commishes website, too
Didn't mean to include that "if"
kekish dot fuck
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I'm beyond tired of seeing shit like this. Like I don't even mind if someone makes a character with big breasts, just make it consistent with your style for God's sake. These look awful; Zelda doesn't even have huge tits. Reminds me of picrel, I hate that they do this stupid ass suction cup thing
Yeah, Atelier Live. It’s hilarious that pretty much every member except for her and Artemis is either super inactive or has graduated. She really tried to make it work and even hired a manager and graphic designer but the team still flopped. Lmao. >>935607>giant corner booth with 2 tables>just a few print menus scattered across both
Such a good use of space
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Yes but AtoLive is a meme where there are very clearly 3 adults who are hanging around children.
Also they're all artists so anyone who says they watch all of the members is a liar.
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this is the salt thread so, let me confess to being jealous of young artists. i'm twenty-three next year and this kid is seventeen and they're leagues above me. it just makes me feel a little green and think that even if i grinded out art for a year, i'd still be shitty.
Is this knaiifu on twitter? Cuz if so I also feel the same saltiness too, being older and such.
Ive known him(transmale) since he made his hamilton animatics on yt with that other person galactibun. Watching how their art progressed makes me want to end myself
This. Some people treat getting into art like getting into professional sports, it's goofy. You can start literally any time and as long as you're committed to drawing every day and actually learning fundamentals, you will
get better, it's a guarantee. As long as you apply yourself, it doesn't matter how long it takes or how old you are. The other thing, no one can ever make what you make. It doesn't matter how many artist there are or how skilled they are, because they cannot create what you would create. That's the best part of art, it's completely Individual. There is no one who is "the best at art" and there is never a reason to not pursue art. No matter your skill level, there will always be someone who is "better" than you at art, so worrying about it is just pointless and takes all the wind out of your sails.
Listen to this anon. Many of you aren't even out of your 20s, so it's funny you envy literal children.
A lot of these younger artists ape pretty styles from older artists without much concept of theory, business application, or adaptability. The longer I look at it, the more 'off' it feels. And a lot of them put too much weight behind social media likes w/o bothering with engagement, which ruins their long-term career potential since successful artists rely on flexibility and/or niches.
Every "good" young artist I see is mimicking an older artist's established style. Don't be jealous. Many of these types burn out before they hit peak.
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Tinfoil but is she lurking here? Last thread had that comment about burning houses >>>/ot/929173
Unlikely. She's making a toxic
positivity comment because a lot of people think that depression is just you thinking bad things all the time.
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Idk if this helps but there’s plenty of ladies that are in their 70s doing art like rumiko takahashi (inuyasha) and akemi takada (literally defined 80s and 90s anime art style.) While I’m not looking forward to aging, it makes me feel hopeful in a way.
picrel bc I think Akemi’s art is gorgeous
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TinaFate1 outed as a scrote catfishing (1/3)
Water down the acrylic a little and do thin layers. I’m not sure if a sponge or brush would be better.
If the plastic is too smooth, you may want to sand it a little bit with a super fine tooth paper, or the paint might be more likely to peel. Or maybe something like a gritty gesso as a base? The clear gesso I have has some grit in it.
You will definitely want to seal it with something. A proper sealant would be best but I’ve used cheap hairspray and it worked ok, don’t know if it will yellow eventually though
Using water is fine to thin the paints but if you use too much water it'll crack and flake off, so you might want to buy an acrylic medium to thin it down with. There are a bunch of them that give different effects, so do a bit of research to see what suits you best.
If the paint you're using is thin and streaky, paint a layer of white first to get more even coverage.
Acrylics are fine to use on plastic but definitely sand it or use a primer.
Brush strokes disappear easily with acrylics, you need to focus on evenly applying the paint so it's not patchy, the brush strokes disappear as it dries.
How are you "behind?" >>936996
I didn't realize Daftpina was still "exposing" them after that other stuff from last week with the discord messages and stuff. I wonder what even started this entire thing? Anyway, I'm glad to have a valid
reason to dislike Tinafate so much now (not that I needed one, but y'know)
>30 is fucking old in the social media sphere for art
That really depends on who you follow though. If you're in some fandom like genshin impact or cookie run, then yeah you'll be surrounded by kids. It all comes down to searching for people around your age, because they do exist in the art sphere- they're just harder to find because they tend to mind their business instead of screeching on twitter and drooling over fictional characters like kids do. Kids in the art community are a lot more vocal on social media hence why it often seems like they're all that there is, but that's not the case at all.
And remember that more than half of the "talented" artist teens you see actually suck at fundamentals and make up by over rendering their art and masking mistakes. They're not "leagues above you" they just know how to cover up their mistakes better than you do.
Anon who cares about age? Do you draw because drawing makes you happy? Or to show these kids you're better than them? Like, what's your goal here? Anyone can learn how to do shit at any age they want. There's 20 year olds that draw better than you but also 70 year olds that also draw better than you. I think the biggest problem here isn't social media or other people, it's your and your self esteem. You're sabotaging yourself thinking it's too late to learn things when I know there's 40, 50, 60 year olds who just also started drawing yesterday and nobody can stop them because they're enjoying themselves. You're acting like 30 is haggard grandma with dementia time when in actuallity 30 is still very fucking young.
Stop looking at what kids do and focus on your own self.
I’m following a ton of artists on YouTube and not a single one is under
omfg i literally said in the last thread that tina was such an obvious scrote.
God these fucking internet coomers really cannot tell the difference between another larping coomer and a real woman
im the anon that made the original salt post and i will admit a large part of my worry is internalized concern about "neuroplasticity" shit from /ic/
that place was so bad for me when i was young and still drawing every day, and it still fucks me up even now.
reading everyone's replies has been helpful, though. thanks lc
Lol relax anon. I don't take part in any callouts.>You don't need am oral reason to dislike an artist's artwork, you just block/mute and move on
Yes, hence why I also said that I didn't actually need one. Anyway, this is the art salt and discussion thread, I don't have to "move on".
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So looks like Nixeu made a new account to try to get into more NFT's without being judged for it. The artist is literally a nobody yet retweeted by nixeu, even funnier is that some of the art posted by this "Ezis" is literally the same art that was posted by W00neul (nixeu's previous account, that you can still find traces off of google).
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Samefagging but now she's literally bidding on her own nft's to pump up the price.
The boobs literally look like an ass lmao.
I kind of get what you’re saying though. I’ll be 22 soon and I drew a lot as a teen because it was the only thing I had going for me, but once I got out of high school I started drawing significantly less because I had no one to impress or share my art with anymore. I was mostly drawing because I thought it was my identity. So I spent a few years working through some mental health and insecurity issues while only drawing occasionally. Now I’m slowly trying to get back into it for my own enjoyment but I feel a little insecure about the time I “wasted.”
Being surrounded by teens on social media can definitely make you feel old, but who knows if they’re even going to stick with it. Most of the artists I admired in the past (and still do) were older than me anyway. Teens are usually uncreative and just go with the trends.
You know all brains retain some form of neuroplasticity as you age?
It's not the 70's anymore. People get into hobbies and learn new things all the time. I guess older generations back then didn't do it because they were adamant about learning new things. But you can do it, anyone can do it. If you stimulate the brain, "neuroplasticity" will take place to accomodate this new learning.
I imagine you are a millenial, so let me tell you something as a fellow millenial myself: We don't have to be what others tell us we are, we don't have to do what others tell us we should do. Who gives a fuck. You're your own person, and an adult at that. Work on your self esteem and you'll see how much you're self sabotaging yourself. Your brain is more mature than those teens and will let you learn better than them. Teens are literal retards compared to adults. Take that advantage and stop focusing on others.
Imagine caring so much about what some retarded loser scrotes on 4chan have to say lmao
Go outside and find real art friends and you'll see there's a lot of them over 30.
No need to fret, nonny
. You still have a lot of time ahead of you, there's no such thing as being too late to improve.
Don't forget that kids these days have easier access to buying a drawing tablet, more art programs available to them, and abundance of resources at their fingertips. Go at your own pace and focus on drawing what you love while learning new skills.
Not to mention a lot of these so-called skilled young artists mostly care about clout from their followers. Another anon here mentioned how they burn out quicker too, don't let that be you.
that place is a hellhole and the last place you’d want to go to learn how to do art. their art book threads are great, but you’ll just get a bunch of wild animals tearing each other apart trying to prove they’re better than one another.
but neuroplasticity and art is kinda BS because even past like 30, a lot of artists that do art for a job have to actively learn new methods or tools for their work.
Hell most independent atelier schools are mostly full of old people in like, advanced figure drawing classes. it’s really never too late because you’ll be learning for the rest of your life and that’s not necessarily a bad thing either.
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Add copying art to the list of sins alongside catfishing and farming underaged nudes from discord.
Probably gonna be an unpopular opinion on the thread but here i go. While I think it's a good thing the dude was called out, I find this pretty fucking crazy he was initially doxxed because of a "haha le MILF Sora with the Mario crown XD" drawing. Cause, yes, this is what initially caused all this, not the racist or grooming allegations or the catfishing.
In the end i don't really care for the scrote cause he's made more than just a shitty drawing but i find it kinda disturbing that the catalyst of a doxx can be a shitty, trashy drawn joke that the twitter crowd didn't like.
Procreate brushes have a setting called Streamline which smooths your strokes. I have my sketchy brush at a low % and my inking brush at 100%.
Also it depends on your tablet? I had a Surface Pro for a while but cause the underlying tech sucked, my lines were wobbly no matter what I did.
You could try cheking Estudio Katastrófico (vidrel)
Also there was for a while a trend with spanish speaking art youtubers called "ruleta challenge", you could try putting that on the search bar and look through the artists you find to see if they're your typeobv if it just gives you non art related vids just add "dibujo" in front of it will probably work
you need to actually train your line confidence, it is a major skill in learning to draw
and auto stabilizers in programs are a crutch and they will hold back your potential
NTA but that anon is right kek, learning to draw without rulers is the way to go if you're serious about trying to git gud because it trains line confidence, it's literally the first exercise in draw a box for beginners to learn how to draw good lines.>Many times someone's hand shaking is out of their control
how do you think people get better at steadying their hand? kek
This is such a stupid thing to argue. It's there for a mechanical reason, tablets have natural jitter because of the pen trying to be located. Its not a crutch for people, it's a crutch for technology. Even expensive tablets, like the high-end Wancoms, have a small difference between where the pen is. It's not because people can't do art.
And btw, even high-profile artists who do traditional use things like rulers or special pens/pencils can have added weights to keep the lines pressed down more. If this is the logic people want to go off of, you might as well call Ctrl+Z a crutch because real artists don't make mistakes.
Steady hand exercises are more useful for traditional art than digital. Paper has more friction, after all. In digital said friction is reduced and so the pen slides around more, which even for an artist with a steady hand can result in a wobbly line here and there.
The tool exists for a reason. Why be such a purist? What's wrong with digital artists using the tools art programs give them? If that's the case then kindly get rid of all of your rulers and compasses as well as erasers because a True Artist should be able to draw with a steady hand without rulers and therefore make near no mistakes. This isn't about confidence at all.
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Has anyone else here dealt with friends asking for art advice and refusing to listen to it? For example:
X: Anon tell me how to draw like you!
Me: start by drawing from life, doing studies, etc.
X: But realism isnt my style!
Learning how to draw isnt an "art style" you mong. Sage for rant? Im no old master but at least i have the humility to do basic drawing exercises.
I entered an art discussion group on some social media (pretty sure it was on Insta) 4 or so years ago and I befriended this one person over similar interests. Their art was shitty anime style with absolutely zero concept of anatomy, proportions and perspective, as if they had never even tried to study the basics. My art wasn't perfect, I was in my late teens at the time and pretty much drew exclusively anime, but I was at a skill level decent enough to be able to give out basic advice on anatomy. That person kept asking me to "help them" and "teach them how to draw humans like I do", and well, I saw them as a friend so I did it.
They'd either straight out shoot a "but I don't draw realism at all, I want to have an anime-like style!" or flat out ignore all of the advice I gave (advice that THEY asked me to give). After god knows how many months of putting up with them I finally got sick of their shit because it was always the same thing, over and over. Ask for advice, ignore said advice, their art didn't improve in the slightest, and they continued to annoy me. They'd use models from MikuMikuDance as anatomy reference instead of photos or proper human 3D models, all they wanted was for me to "teach them how to draw anime" without bringing in "realism". They just wanted to learn anatomy from anime.
Saged, sorry for the long sperg but here's my experience. TL;DR if you ever meet someone who says "I don't do realism" when you give them art advice, ignore them because they don't want real art advice.
Concurred. I try to talk about art as little as possible with these friends because its infuriating.
I dont let them see my art either. I dont want to hear compliments from a supposed "artist" who doesnt take art seriously. You could be as good as me if you bothered to practice, yk.
>tablets have natural jitter because of the pen trying to be located>Even expensive tablets, like the high-end Wancoms
this is literally just not true, high end tablets have virtually no parallax
you have to actually train your skills to improve them, sorry that there is no way around that.
anything as long as they don't become an art commentary channel.
on a more serious note, more stuff about human anatomy in general, but things like how it gets affected by perspective and interesting camera angles (such as foreshortening).
It can look cool sometimes, but some artists use it to the point where it hurts to look at their art, which kind of defeats the purpose of posting it.>>940000
Seconding this, knowing how other artists think while they draw or what their reasoning is helps me a lot more than just looking at the finished thing, and it’s interesting to see how different our creative processes are.
I knew someone like this in university. Bitched and moaned about having to take figure drawing and basically did fuck all during the class. Her anatomy is absolutely awful and she gets sad looking at other people’s art, but you could never tell her to take figure drawing seriously because she would always reply “ItS jUsT mY sTyLe”
And surprise surprise, she’s a weeb with a portfolio full of bad anime
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What the hell is heartmush’s writing? She should stick to her messy unfinished art
people who write like this are people who usually have mediocre narrative writing skills and can't describe things in an interesting or impactful way, so they resort to using all of these WaCkY lettering-like effects.
Not too different from artists who have 0 fundamental skills and cover up their art's shitty anatomy by overloading their art with effects and over-rendering instead of actually learning the basics.
Honestly I think it can be potentially possible to support yourself being a freelance artist but it's a lot of luck and you have to have a really big or very loyal following and audience. You pretty much have to count on being able to make a couple sales every month and that's what's the most difficult thing about doing freelance art fulltime because you might have some months where you do very well and then have months where you struggle.
The best thing I would suggest though is try to hang in there a little longer with your current job. Save as much as you can so you can have a safety net. Set yourself a little money goal of savings and when you hit it or at the very least get close to hitting it, then you can try and put your full-time freelance journey into motion knowing that if push comes to shove, you'll at least have some backup savings for the harder months.
You said that you already make some high paying commission jobs already and that's a good sign since it shows that there are people who are willing to pay a lot for your work. The problem though is how likely would you be to continue to get those high paying commissions on a daily basis?
In the meantime though, another thing you can try to supplement your income is do some merch design to make passive income. If your art is really as good as you say, you probably could find a little market in this. Redbubble, Teespring, Society6, etc. Try designing some designs to put on merch and have that on the side. And if you're crafty yourself, you could even make the merch yourself and sell on Etsy.
The point is don't quit your day job right away just yet. Make sure to plan and save a good amount of money for a safety net before you go through with this. Because honestly the only people I usually see making a good living from being a freelance artist are usually porn artists, artists who are able to get gigs working for studios, and those who are supported by a spouse who doesn't mind them having a freelance job.
I hope this helps anon.
I would say to keep marketing. You might have commissions now, but who's to say a few months later, when the people interested already got their commissions, if they will be return customers? Also, the fact that you are competing with other commissioners. You also have to register as a personal business if you plan to make a living off of this and that includes high taxes for independents like you. I don't know if you've ever done taxes already like this since you also have a different job that doesn't sound freelance, so you probably get some kind of W-2 or 1099.
I think as long as you don't only keep it at commissions, you might be okay, but you have to reach out to other things like merch, put in the time for that cost as well, and probably expect to be doing this job 24/7 instead of having a day off. At least you could take your time. I wouldn't quit my job as is, but also taxes on self-employment suck and will probably cancel out with a bit of your tax return as is.
I'm sorry, but my mind immediately goes to worrying about consistent customers. You can get a nice wave for a few months, but you might have seen how all those little indie designers and whatnot are doing since the pandemic is lessening and on TikTok and Reddit and Twitter a lot of people are complaining about drop-off orders and interest.
Just to add in, you could also learn furry and NSFW art as those customers always have big money on hand if your work is good enough. Especially furry artists. There's a guy known in the scene who is a neurosurgeon and he spends BANK on gigantism furries and some anons have probably heard about the Wonder Bread guy. Beautiful fantasy work might be good for DnD people, but you have a better chance at getting picked up as a concept artist in that case from a studio.
You might want to try that, though. Backgrounds, character sheets [turn arounds], expression sheets.. Things that you can market into other artistic areas as well and not just focus on only commissions. This way you could get picked up by someone maybe if you submit a portfolio or make a business twitter with pieces of it, interact with other artists, get someone in the industry to follow you. Also pander the fuck out of your art. Draw whats popular so it gets the attention of other artists.
AYRT, thank you and the other anons for your thoughtful replies. I‘m definitely not there yet - my art is good enough to get me commissions, but not enough and consistently that I could reliably live on it. I see more skilled artists than me struggle to make a living and that makes me scared to go full freelance. Your point about the irregularity of commission work is definitely my biggest worry too.
My ideal situation would probably be to work on commercial projects and illustrations as a freelancer but I lack industry connections. I will keep putting myself out there and hopefully it will work out as I get better and can build a better portfolio.
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anatomy wasnt a priority here i see
Oh my god nonnies I get like this too! I thought it was just me. I've been trying so goddamn hard to do commissions because I get asked all the time and I do want to see if I can make money on my art, kind of a confidence thing. But when I actually sit down to draw, I find it so difficult to get the ideas flowing and have to almost physically push myself to draw. And I burnout super quickly!
I'm suspecting, at least in my case, it's because personally I think if anyone is paying me money to draw (And this is a mindset nurtured over years of non-artist family member comments) it needs to look like the fucking sistine chapel or I feel like I've wasted not only my time, but their money. I also fear that I'll look back at it and get upset that it's not as good as I could have made it now and want to redo it completely for the client.
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Does anyone know what fandom she means?
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Yup looks like I was right. Supernatural fans have been jumping down her throat for nearly a decade.
This is an extremely small space too, about half the size of a ballroom at a convention center. Fuck this bitch and her gigantic table for her generic ass anime prints.
Also hi fellow nz farmers
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These nutjobs acts as if she tried to assassinate another artist or something. Some people really take their love of fictional series way too far.
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How are these people so unawares how insane they are, seriously need to go outside to touch some fucking grass.
That's exactly what I think when I'm doing commissions. So maybe it's anxiety? I guess that when I'm doing something without the pressure ideas flow better because I know that even if I fuck up, nothing is going to happen.>>941235
I don't really black out, although I do have a very messy and irregular process that's not "mechanical" and can't be applied to everything. Sometimes I forget what I did, and if I record the process or use a cleaner method then the piece ends up looking like shit.
because now everyone is expected to be morally and socially perfect which means you can only like, create and indulge pure and harmless content because people are too terminally online nowadays to be able to separate fiction from reality.
more than half of these problems would be solved if these people just understood that a bunch of pixels is in the end meaningless and cannot directly harm anyone and most of the time if it does harm someone it's their own fault for choosing to consume said content. yeah there are cases where fictional content can influence people's actions for the worse but believing that happens 100% of the time is as stupid as those parents who think that violent videogames makes teenagers want to become school shooters or satanists.
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I know why, but sometimes I wish the person would post the email of the harasser
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What a glow up, artists really show you what they think of women
lol, goes from "great anatomy in need of some polishing" to "well polished but fucked anatomy."
I've seen this style of "growth" in art enough times that I think it deserves to be dubbed the "Sakimi Evolution."
I know Rumiko might be still doing art these days, but is Akemi? That pic is from 1989 btw.
I'm glad there are some female anime/manga artists that are still doing what they love. I've read too much about women quitting art after marriage to raise kids and become house wives.
disregard, I didn't scroll down far enough, it does looks like she still draws!
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yes it is. I believe anon was pointing out the change in the anatomy.
sage for no milk. what I'm guessing is that they're trying to do something similar to Typography Contemporary Art that can come off pretentious to those who aren't familiar with the medium. Though for real, the purpose is convey Text into Art in which the message is cryptic but concise into collage of pictures (usually up to five photos).
This entire thread is… nothing like that. seems like a try hard attempt at a new medium. I stopped reading as i saw its a (1/13) thread filled of pictures that seems to yield of nothing but a waste of time for those who bother to read (and pity likes).
Also unrelated, heartmush used to reply to my arts way back then with typical twitter artist suck-up messages "luvvv ur arts heart emojis". I just never bothered to reply, only to find out later they had already unfollowed me lol. A lot of times I feel like these artists only exist for online validation and nothing else.
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This reads to me like the artist is seething hard
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I was curious about the whole tinafate callout fiesta and surprised to see the same coomer clique is under the reply>>937873
I recognized this artist, went to check on their twitter and it seems that this QRT has been deleted
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Are there any current mainstream female artists who don't paint typical insta shit (witches, Miyazaki stuff, fruits, etc.), don't have cutesy style, and don't drown all their work in pastel colors? The only woman I can think of who doesn't do those things is Karla Ortiz (pic rel)
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I like Alex Garant's art. picrel. The double vision effect is her shtick.
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Vetyr might be up your alley.
Also, would it be alright to share general female artists we like here? I'd like to post more art I like and get more reccomendations too, though I have different taste from OP
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Oh wow, nta but thank you I'm obsessed I'm obsessed
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artofyayu, her work is the same stuff over and over but I love it nonetheless
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so shadman has been on a spiral because of drugs, and is cutting ties with all his friends, shittalking cory and oney and the like on twitter, posting disgusting pics of his living conditions and telling everyone to fuck themselves. An old friend of his posted photos of him on kiwifarms. He looks exactly how you'd expect
So? My point was that they were all buddies at one point because they bond over the stupid shit that they come up with . It’s not shocking at all that they’re friends. >>942686
So what the fuck race is he anyway?
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just took this directly from kiwifarm.
Feel free to browse the thread yourselves.https://kiwifarms.net/threads/shaedbase-shaedman-shaddai-shadman-prejean.17065/page-226
I am about to go to sleep with the knowledge that this dude also drew porn of his mom. The image is being shared on reddit right now.
coomer brain disease + getting validation from other coomers and horny freaks.
i checked this dude's twitter, he's surrounded by other cumbrains who sided with him in >>942473
>>942493 in situations like these there's nothing more to do, guy's lost. all he cares about is tits and ass no matter how warped the anatomy is.
I am one of those artists that often being assumed of "forming secret popular cliches behind the public" several times just because, you know, sometimes you get invited to a project. And most the time I don't even know anyone in the collab except for my friend/colleagues who invited me in it.
Hell, one time I even found out one of my fellow contributors drew (anime) underage porns in their patreon, and I only learned it after they attempting to befriend me after the zine collab. Or one time, one of the artists just casually putting 9/11 joke in the art and mods just casually published the piece at it is.
Don't mind my rambling since sometimes the artist list is filled with edgelords and coomers and I can't do anything about it except bitching to whoever invited me there.
Say this is a privilege or whatever, I understand where the envy coming from, but most of the time we just want to bring a product to people (of course the organizers will have to blow smoke up everyone's ass for the sake of marketing).
Embrace your small circle of "small artists" as you call, imo having a consistent set of friends with shared interests and ideologies to complete a project here and then is a much better experience.
nta but i don't think it's a matter of 'envy', but rather because most of the time like >>943017
said these 'big artist collabs' feel more like they were done for the sake of clout and sales rather than a mutual passion for a topic. the way these projects are marketed also gives them an aura of 'we're better than you all and this project is proof' which alienates a huge chunk of the public and make you guys seem more like unreachable celebrities instead of well, cool skilled artists doing a cool thing. in my view tho i wouldn't blame the artists involved, but the organizers and whoever is in charge of the marketing and whatever.
Oh yeah, definitely. I haven't been the scene for so long except for a few invites I've had last year. I didn't participate in any PR work but I do see the need for the PR to "flex" especially when one of them is still college and just happened to learn video editing. Which is why the advertisements always seem outrageous… Another thing I was told that fandom zine scene is incredibly competitive now (insert current popular anime fandom here), for your zine to standout, you have to go all out with marketing.
There are definitely artist cliques that hold into the elite mindset and casually flux out anyone doesn't agree with them. That shit is vile and I still see them around sometimes.
tell us more, fellow snobby-labeled artist.
I agree with the anon above about the presumptions of popular artists though, when most of of them are incredibly introverted, if not already have mental issues and trauma associated with their online fame. I can think of the urct case mentioned in Artist Salt #32.
Sometimes a mf just wants to draw pretty and be good at it. And being an "approachable" artist is hard these days especially when you have to balance between talking to strangers online everyday and putting actual hours in your works. I tried to be "approachable" for a period of time until I earned myself a few grifters and a stalker pinned into my name. Now I don't talk to anyone who does art anymore.
sage for rants
it's your problem if you're projecting too much, though. just like you said, big artists eat and shit like eveybody else. but the part that you guys can't seem to grasp because of your defensiveness is that a fuckton of these artists and big artist cliques are "tryhard elites" and try to make themselves seem like they're better than others for being famous, when surprise! they're just normal people.
if you're a big artist that doesn't do that type of thing, good for you and you shouldn't be feeling so attacked by criticism. this isn't about you. we're talking about the real annoying snobby ones here or at the very least about the crappy "tryhard elite" marketing some of these cliques/projects/whatever use.
NTAYRT, but I don't see a majority of what someone would call a 'popular' artist, pulling elite takes. There would be way more people outing artists left and right compared to the theft, tracing, baiting followers, scamming rewards for subscribers.. Than we have now. Someone like Robertoart has the elitist mentality and so does Raiq, but you have other artists on the other side who have large followings for the same type of art like TabuleyAnim and otagoth [Philmato] who don't have this same mentality, but you also have people will hardly their amounts of followers who have the same elitist attitudes.
Its not about the numbers. Its about whether the artist is a shitty person.
The most snobby artists tend to be the ones with the most generic vanilla ass art, and then they make their followers destroy any smaller artists that 'copied' their 'art style'. It's funny because most of these people aren't even famous with huge following because they're actually good at art, but because they draw skimpy au outfits and memes. I know a lot of genshin artists that got big in the past year or so that way.
My personal favorite are the wannabe elitist artists that only like and reply to comments of posts from artists with bigger followings than them.
The snobby artists are stupid
is this that genshin impact tarot set?
>zine stuff armsrace
aren't zines supposed to be cheaply made publications? Why do zines nowadays feel like a corporate product except unofficial. Gonna admit I'm not the type who's into them as a consumer or a producer though.
zines were made in the 70s as opposed to magazines publications. (at least in the west anyways).
Ive never seen asian anthology/doujin ever marketed that aggressively as western zine. The competition is real in here (with big fandom like FGO etc), but only occurs during convention and offline events.
Zines are supposed to be counter-culture mini pieces of work that wouldn't otherwise be published or distributed. What these artists are calling "zines" aren't zines, they're art collaborations, art books or anthologies. It's bugged me how they've turned zines into this overblown, over produced, bloated money making mess.
They should just call them like they are and stop feigning this "home made indie" feel when it's the same 8 popular artists per Fandom zine doing polished work and getting funded on kickstarter with 28 extra stickers and bookmarks and shit.
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Not just stickers but shit like enamel pins and rubber straps which need a pretty penny to produce at a minimum.
Speaking of enamel pins am I the only one bothered by how nowadays anyone with money can just make them even if they can't design for shit picrel. These things feel like a waste of metal.
what am i looking at. This is such a waste of money considering enamel printing cost is much expensive than plastic keychains. An average pin can cost up to 300$ for minimum quantity. (100pc from what ive seen)
again, wHat am i looking at!!!! who'd want this?!
what the fuck is that thing? who in their right mind would even buy it?
but on the zine merch thing, i'm so tired of zines these days always coming with a fuckload of unnecessary merch. if it were just prints or a single sticker sheet or one acrylic charm then fine but now the biggest zine bundles come with so much shit that the merch alone can be as expensive as the zine book itself. it's ridiculous, just open a merch shop already.
Exactly. I have a friend who got accepted into a zine and months later they were talking to me about how absurdly high the stretch tier numbers for sales were (stuff like the first tier being at around 200 sales whcih is dang high in most fandoms) and that they had no idea what the mods were thinking when setting up those aims. Now I figure it was to cover the costs of expensive merch.
At this point I wonder if it would be better to just have artist collabs for merch only to have zines not rely on merch as much. If you aren't confident that your project will sell by itself then what was the interest check for, even?
even in cons it seems to be like that. japanese cons seem a lot more "humble" in a way, like it's just…a fan event, like it's supposed to be. an event for fans to meet, chat and buy some cool merch be it official or done by other dedicated fans.
western cons feel a lot more excessive and grandious to me, it's hard to describe, but it's everything "too much". the artist vendor tables feel as if i'm entering the town's saturday fair with sellers trying to sell all of their stock before evening. it's just money, money. there may be some love in between, but it really feels like it was just for max profit.
i understand some artists make a living out of selling merch and such, but to me it all feels so soulless now. it makes me a bit sad, because now i feel no different when deciding between buying an official keychain of a character i like or a fanmade western one because both will be products made to be sold and that's it.
Jp/cn/kr companies don't care about fanmerch like west companies do. They won't release any statement banning people from making merch anytime soon, so don't worry lol.
Plushies and manjuus have been a thing since ages ago, it just barely hit western fanmerch scene. Fans even make plushies of kpop idols, which I'd argue its worse than making a plush of an anime character, and still companies don't give a fuck about it. You're worrying over nothing.
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iirc mihoyo released a statement they're willing to look away if someone sells small merch as long as not more than 200 units are sold and there is a disclaimer it is fanmade somewhere. But things like ita bags, apparel, plushies, figures or stuff that generally scream big time productions are a no-no and you need to contact them for licensing. Sorry this isn't an example you're looking for but it would be interesting for someone like mihoyo go after the "big time" fan merch artists. >>944334
I think the problem lies in fanmerch being mass produced in some chinese sweatshop rather than being made by hand like a one of a kind thing.
slightly related, who needs $1,500 to make acrylic keychains?
Merch is mass produced because it's impossible to do handmade acrylic keychains and plushies without driving the price 30x higher. You can't have handmade and cheaper than official merch in the same sentence, unless it's like, stickers.
And even if mihoyo is "against it", they haven't done anything about it even when it comes to chinese artists, so they really just don't care.
I'd rather pay $10 for an original art fanmade acrylic keychain than $10 for an acrylic keychain of the official art, which are almost always one sided with no coating or anything, and the original artist gets paid cents for it.
Following on >>944161
if North America did have something like Comiket it would simply be a larger version of the average artist alley you see at your local convention.
A US Comiket would just be a cluster-fluck of samey, low quality, soulless trash filling up about 90% of the venue. For Japan, Comiket is like a Broadway stage where an aspiring mangaka uses it as an opportunity to spread their name further and possibly be recognized by a publisher. A US Comiket would just be a money grab.
Can vouch for this. The entirety of making "ethical" fanmerch aka Do not make the merch almost identical to the official ones, especially the plushie, since the general consensus that it might harm the market of the official fanmerch of that series.
I've seen this happened before in jujutsu kaisen fandom when an artist drew some mock-up plushies of the characters, in which the style is exactly like the ones already issued by the company - just different characters they already released.
JP fans went batshit and QRTed the artist to take it down. I wasn't there to see the full-story but eventually the artist deleted the art and also their account.
Ive never seen companies going after fan creators though, so far it's always fans policing each other. They're already busy taking down aggregator sites and illegal ebooks being sold on amazon. So for now it's just fans scaring other fans lmao.
* it might harm the official merch that series
Not 'official fanmerch'
sorry if it was confusing
Do you guys know the youtuber minori/minicuteclub?? I’ve been trying to see if there’s any threads or stuff on her, I feel like there’s a lot to unpack ngl. She just irks me so much…I can’t even explain it…
(Sorry if I’m using this wrong, I’ve never posted before!!)(namefag)
Welcome. You don't need to write anything in 'name' field, btw. https://lolcow.farm/infohttps://lolcow.farm/rules
Why does she irk you? My japanese is basic af (N4), but she seems alright to me…
I actually like her Japanese channel — it’s her English one that for some reason bothers me.
She’s always bringing up how she’s on some no-eating diet lately, and I’m kinda concerned for the welfare of the dog she just adopted…I kinda feel like she just got it for clout
Sideblog if your art is too dissonant from the content of your main blog. If not, post on main.
Personally, I like to keep things separate (one personal account where I post whatever; one art only account where I post my stuff and reblog other people's).
It really grates me on Twitter when I go on an artist's account and there's nothing but dumbass memes or reaction images in the media tab and still have the gall to complain that nobody's looking at their art because of the evil algorithm
No, you're right. DeviantArt was a near perfect social platform for art. There wasn't bullshit like algorithms asking you to post several times a day otherwise you'llbecome essentially invisible, people would actually post art instead of selfies and memes or stupid hot takes, people actually talked about art.
I really miss DeviantArt. I wish it hadn't gone through that "eclipse" identity change and that it was still usable.
My opinion is whether you like someone's art but doesn't vibe with their posting habit, perhaps just find other socials they have, or just bookmark their portfolio.
Artists can post whatever they want and there's no need to render every of them into art posting machine on their social media.
Also agreed with the deviantart thing. Usually back then I'd just check the artist's stack deviantions and called it a day, I didn't really care about their journals and polls they had.
Not what you're talking about exactly, but:>By pure luck you find a great artist that draws your fav underrated character/pairing>Follow them>90% of their posts are FGO gacha posts, pics of their cat/dog, or extremely vague blog posting
I feel like so many Japanese twitter artists are like this
The best thing you can do is to state in your profile and/or your pinned that you don't want anyone under 18 to follow you. If a kid does end up following you then you've warned them and it was their choice to do it. That or you can check on your followers' profiles if they have their age stated anywhere, if they do and they are a minor you can block them.
Depending on the fandom you're making content for (if you're in a fandom that is) kids are unavoidable though. Stuff like Cookie Run and Genshin are crawling with kids.
No, It’s actually possible that being older than them attracts them, kids are a pest.
Like sure, maybe a few will stop following you, but they’re following you because of the stuff you post, not because of you as a person.
I know what kind of Japanese artists you're talking about but honestly they can often write a lot about their lives, the only difference is you can't read japanese so you don't realize. I can think of several on the top of my head. Not to mention there are also western artists who don't post bloggy stuff. I don't think this is as much about east vs west as you think it is.
The bigger sin is twitter artists who use reaction gifs a lot so their media tab is all shitted up and you can't easily browse their art.
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Hi! Thank you for all your answers.
Here's to explain a bit of my situation, I'm not a fandom artist, I'd say my account operates somewhat similar to Hungry_Clicker. Where I occasionally draws one or two fan arts of something I interested in, the rest are just original arts. My original arts aren't… OC roleplay deviantart types either. They're moody and random. picrel is an example (this is from @Quingyi33, not my art, but the depiction is close to what I usually do).
Now that I think about it, the way I draw characters can be considered "too cute", in which I understand it appeals to the kids. I've been drawing for 10+ years and I'm comfortable with my current style, and I don't plan to change it.
As for the "minor DNI" suggestion… I myself have problems with those put that in their bio (formerly calling themselves "proshipper"). I'm aware they're my age, but the way they constantly thirst tweet at artists really gross me out.
I've seen some folks only put their age (↑30) in their bio, so I'm curious if I should try that.
This is my only original post.>>947320
My intention is to curate my audience in general. I was happy with this way of posting for several years on tumblr and twitter (I even shitposted back then too).
I think the influx of more people using twitter during the pandemic + I'm growing older as new audience pouring in, it's a little difficult to keep the same chill vibe I used to have with my feed.
As for information about 'minor DNI' = proshipper, I have myself a blocklist of these accounts and I can confirm that they've been constantly rebranding themselves "proshipper" - "anti-anti" - "anti-harassment" - "minor DNI".
I think this video is more up to date with the term. (first time posting link here, so I apologize for not hyperlink it correctly)
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I was this anon >>947375
and yes, I could see why you may not want to put "minors dni" in your profile. However, unless you draw very fandom-heavy stuff (which you've said you don't) or engage in discourse, I doubt any one is going to assume you're a pro-shipper or anything. You don't have to put it there if you don't want to though. Putting your age might help, but most are just going to follow you regardless. I'd say the strongest thing you can do is just block people who are underaged and following you, and try to associate with other adult artists so your art circulates more within mature spaces. Your pic rel is very pretty, it reminds me of the art style from "Haibane Renmei" (though maybe it's just the wings). Wish you luck anon!
Here's link to the artist (it seems that I spelled their handle wrong, oops).https://twitter.com/Qingyi33>>947411
I love Haibane Renmei! I do get nostalgic of 90s-early 2000s kind of visual novel art style, I think that's what I've been gearing towards to for my style too. I don't mind sharing a list of artists that share similar theme of "innocent but dark" embed in their arts (I think there might be an art recommendation thread somewhere in here?).
And thanks for the suggestion! I will try switch between putting age in bio and 'minor DNI' here and then.
While I avoid discourse at all costs, I was targeted once by a group of autist fujo (it's complicated, just that one of them was really creepy towards me, I defended myself and the creep brought their friends to target me). Which is why I'm very concerned with what kind people attracted to my arts now.
Sorry for going on a tangent, because of this incident that I feel even less and less with autistic people, I don't know when is the next time I'm being called "ableist" for just blocking someone horny in my DM.
I understand your concerns with the whole rebranding thing some communities like to do, but I think you should still go for it. There are tons of art accounts that use minors DNI and I've seen it since before I knew about the whole anti/pro-shipper thing. Pro-shippers are probably just using it cause everyone else does. You can always use "18+" though, it's to the point without any acronyms, and the only people it could be associated with is NSFW artists, which isn't necessarily bad.
Good luck though, I hope your able to connect with your audience better and have more fun posting on your account.
Here’s my US artist alley perspective. I have a large following, but no one is willing to fund me online for my creation (patreon, kofi, etc). People are eager to consume my content 100k+ interactions on every piece, but it’s not financially worth anything. However if I put out tangible goods, people are more willing to buy.
I fucking wish 1% of my following could give me a $1 so I could do art stressfree and full time but it’s not like that. Since the pandemic I am constantly bitter and wished that I invested time into YouTube or something, because at least income is passively earned vs me drawing my ass off and getting my art stolen and exploited.
>>947351you sound like a scrote with yellow fever>>947417
I didn't know this was a thing thank you anon>>947446
I used to feel salty about 10k+ artists who would easily get thousands of RTs and likes on their stuff. I could only assume those numbers would easily net commissions or paying patreons but I was wrong. A few times I've seen artists do numbers on their work but the moment they shill a paywall or sales link under it's all crickets. 3 likes and one retweet, that retweet being the artist's reminding their followers they need to eat and pay bills.>because at least income is passively earned vs me drawing my ass off and getting my art stolen and exploited.
holy shit are you me. I abandoned my old account with a modest following because my stuff would barely get any traction and returns but would end up getting stolen on aliexpress or reposted with more engagement anyway. It's just depressing.
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That's so cool you like drawing that type of style! Pic rel is from Clannad, I haven't actually read through the visual novel or even watched the anime, but I love the art (and music!) from that era too so I save pictures of it. I'm so sorry that you were targeted before, I have also dealt with autist fujos and a TRA sperg in a fandom I was apart of, but luckily was never targeted like you were. It has made me heavily filter all the content if I ever engage in the fandom again. These people take it personally that you don't want to engage in their degeneracy unfortunately. I can see why you want to be careful with how you present your profile now.
Oh boy I really felt that. I have 30k followers, people constantly ask me about ommissions and prints but once I actually start selling it‘s almost radio silence, People just want to look at stuff for free. I also wish I had chosen a platform where you can monetize people looking at stuff for free, now I have to work my ass off i in hopes to reach someone who thinks my art is worth spending money on.
I know it’s an entitled mindset but I‘m bitter because it made me realize nobody truly cares about my art, I’m just another pretty drawing on their feed like millions of others.
Have you started doing commissions lately? My followers count is less than 5k, I've been doing commissions consistently for six years. Each of my commission is over $100 - so it's not that I'm selling cheap at all.
My commissioners are mostly regulars. New commissioners find my art through their commission referral channels too(I'm aware that active commissioners keep a list of active artist handy).
My tip is to keep posting your commissions regularly, with 30k followers I'm sure the circulation will have your art reach the big wallet crowd.
I will keep it in mind, thanks!>>947482>These people take it personally that you don't want to engage in their degeneracy unfortunately.
yeah… I need to remind myself that too. The reason why the drama escalated was because I found myself too thin skinned and took their accusations too seriously. I appreciate this anon (and the Clannad art! I miss that, despite the bug eyes people make fun of it for).
While on topic of old school visual novel, I love them for their arts AND the music. Tori no Uta - Air will forever stays in my heart. Here's my favorite version on soundcloud.https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/Kk13avh7oXkxC2i97
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Some anons talked earlier about how young artists will copy rendering from someone and thus create nice looking pieces without anything behind it, but I find it interesting how they never follow the original artist when I encounter a case of it on social media. I feel like in most cases the artist will simply block the imitator. Even though artstyle theft isn't real, something as blatant as this just feels disrespectful in a way.
This person is 14 according to their bio and it's clear that they only know how to draw pretty faces in this specific way, while the other artist is over 20 and capable of much more and has obviously practiced for years. Also notable how the imitator has put "do not steal my art" in their bio.
That's such a dumb topic imo
How can you copy someone's rendering when the same type of rendering is floating around everywhere LMAO
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I checked twitter of the artist on the left, I'm sorry but their painting style is Really, really reminding me of @9ibem on twitter (picrel). While the line style is like most of the korean art twitters I follow.
While style "copying" is a grey area of debate online right now, I do get annoyed when I noticed someone blatantly copied someone I recognized.
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It does bother me when I see art that's obviously "inspired" by something I recognize. picrel I see a bunch of artists doing this aesthetic and sometimes I legitimately can't tell at first if it's a repost. It's strange though, if someone were to ape the Simpsons or DBZ style I don't think people will be up in arms about it granted these shows kinda "own" that style at this point there's really no way for anyone else to claim it's theirs. I guess it's a matter of relevancy on what becomes a parody or a "rip off".
True, I guess "style" is what I meant. Maybe it's just me, but if I saw that someone is drawing in the exact same way as me, to the point where you couldn't really distinguish who made what anymore, it would be really annoying and off-putting. Especially when you consider them getting clout for it, just feels undeserved imo. An elitist take or whatever, but I don't think you can take pride in something copied. Copies are for studies and sometimes for commercial reasons. Of course looking at a pretty picture you made will make you feel good regardless of how it came to be, but when you try to draw from imagination and can't do anything but a cute left-facing head without relying on not only reference but also the interpretation of one specific artist, it's just pathetic. >>947525
I see what you mean and while their painting styles do look similar, it's still easy to tell which one made which because there are differences in how they paint and structure faces for example. Artists will naturally take inspiration from one another and will try to do certain things the same way others do. With the comparison of mugenoumi and los3r the latter copied the facial proportions exactly, like the big eyes and their overall shape, the tiny nose and sharp chin (again, traits that many artists will stylize this way, but not all art looks exactly the same, does it?). I know that artists who copy in this way will eventually develop their own way of drawing and it will look different, I've seen it happen many times. The original intention of my post was just to point out how these people are never following the artist they copy so much kek
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>>947525>>947542>While the line style is like most of the korean art twitters I follow.
Anon probably never study art history, while the technique and subject maybe is the same, the whole piece and composistion is different.
Pic related, will you consider artist in the right stealing the art style on the left?? Both of them are impressionism artist.
The reason why artists has obviously similliar art style with anothers because the art style has a huge market with it. Probably the major case is the term of "Riot" "Disney" "Blizzard" "Calart" Art style because it really sold well to the industry. And the artstyle has certain audience with it.
Personally I believe art style theft is real.I think the best way to avoid it to not focus soly one artist insipired and don't make their branding and main theme/fandom similiar because it will fall into identity theft.
Most artist try their best to make pretty art and money, and to make money they need appeal to certain market.
Sorry for the rant
Couldn't bring the exact example here, I observed this artist for a long time, and when I browsed the artist from OP I did notice the exact resemblance in their progress.>>947562
Maybe I'm just old and I haven't observed much of what young people are drawing after each other these days. I do see mugenoumi's style is a derivation of various artists I already followed ever since drawr.net was active (you can observe the artist's process here due to its speed paint function). I'm in no way to insult them nor los3r though, just another outsider's observation.>>947891
No need to flex about your art history study here nonny
. The culture of international online artists are different from impressionism art studies. To non-artists they see every online weeb art are just, "Anime". So I'm not sure what are you trying to explain here.
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>>947953>The culture of international online artists are different from impressionism art studies>impressionism art studies
Anon I don't know if your reading comprehension is poor or it just me poorly writing it.>>947936
This. The past culture is a reflection to current culture nonnie
. You said the normie see as online anime artist while the anime style itself pretty diverse by their time period and their is a reason why they called it 80"s ,90"s , 00"s anime art style because how the popular culture back then affecting each sepific art style and the market.
Then since our current art online culture is pretty diverse because the world become more global and internet, the culture is really similliar to the past when you compare it.
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is this really necessary? no but it’s funny kek
Right exactly. I've heard the reverse where an artist can face some belittlement if they decide to do art full-time and quit their IRL job altogether but never the opposite.>>948083
Like I mentioned with the other comment, right I have seen the "hustling" encouraged, especially with artists but more importantly, no shame towards artists who both do art part-time while working part-time IRL jobs as well. As for the artist in question, her name is Twisted Disaster (or "Michie" which is her nickname). She's a part of the art commentary side of YouTube and the thing she's most known for is being friends with Holly Brown and their Zine fail fiasco a couple years back. There was also that one time where she claimed her and husband were homeless when they really weren't and were just living in her in-laws garage after they told them that they wanted them to move out.
And yeah her art style is pretty polarizing tbh, you either like it or you don't. Personally I do like her coloring and inking but her character design is unappealing but she claims that she's inspired by western cartoon styles and she tries to apply that to her own style. I think her problem is how she draws eyes too close together and something with the nose.
Samefaq but I just thought of perhaps why her style is so unappealing. she mentioned in the video that she's into western cartoon styles like Futurama and Simpsons (as ell as Disney) and I think the reason why her art may look so jarring is because she uses a very detailed and somewhat dramatic shading/highlighting style.
Like try imagining what cartoons like Futurama, Simpsons, and/or Family Would would look like if they had overly detailed shadows and highlights? I'm pretty sure it would look jarring as fuck. So maybe for a style like hers, if she cut down on the overly done shading styles, it would look a lot better?
I'm new to the whole youtube artist community, only heard about creepyshow art awhile ago because Kat Blaque mentioned her and the drama.
(kinda wishful thoughts from me but I'd love to see more of Kat Blaque's timelapse videos, the way she narrates her story/opinion and the refined painting style really soothes me).
I checked Holly Brown and Hopeless Peaches for a bit, and idk how to explain it but their commentary style is so… condescending? It feels like reading tweets of incredibly sheltered kids that overdramatize every of their little problems. I thought it was just me not finding them relatable, then I actually forgot theyre mostly white women.
As for my two cents about being a full-time freelance artist… it fucking sucks man. Like the money is better than working at a studio that going to exploit you with overtime (+office drama bs). It's incredibly lonely, and requires a lot of self-discipline to keep your life structured. Oh, and the overwhelming feeling of Shit when you failed to meet the deadline, and/or unable to meet the milestones you supposed to achieve in that year.
I kinda get how most popular online artists are mobage addicts and turning to streaming/vtuber. Though even if I try these options myself, I'd feel Worse for procrastinating.
Same anon here. >>948244
Idk if you wanted to discuss more of Michie's art style and why it seems put off for a lot of people. I think it's less of "putting too much shadow on eyes while remain western cartoon", more of the structured of the facial features (placements of eye balls, nose, lips, etc). Even western cartoon has its own structure to make the animation smooth in between frames, understanding the "cartoon skull / skeleton" can help a lot to bridge the audience to the style, while remaining its uncanny, horror style (if it was the intention).
It makes me think of how much I dislike of IRL friends and relatives kept asking me to draw "chibis". For the love of god I hate how chibi anatomy is incomprehensible to me. Merch artists that are able to squeeze out the cuteness of their chibis have my respect tbh.
Gotcha anon. I've been in the YouTube art commentary scene as a viewer since about 2017 give or take. About you not finding Holly Brown and Hopeless Peaches relatable, I'm the same as well as a fellow POC
. I never liked Holly Brown's art style and I agree that she did come off as condescendingly smug which was a big turn off for me, especially since I'm older than her so I never stuck around to watch her videos. Hopeless Peaches I didn't watch a lot of but from what I saw, I couldn't relate due to the age gap (I'm in my late 20s to give context). However unlike Holly, I thought Peaches had a rather nice art style.
And right, I've heard stories of how being a full-time artist can be draining and can even make one dislike drawing. I think with Patreon being a thing, I feel like if you can garner an audience, that would be a lot better than depending on studio work because at least then you'd be drawing things that truly interest you.
Same anon here >>948313
I think you're also right that maybe what's also not helping her style is how much she lacks fundamentals. The coloring may look like she does but upon closer look, everything just looks so wonky. I checked out some of the artists she name dropped who inspire her and the thing with these artists is that these seem to have a grasp on some basic fundamentals and thus their styles look more refined with cohesion even though they are toony in nature.
Michie has admitted in the past that she doesn't really practice because "she doesn't have time to" because as she always feels she has to remind her audience, she "has bills to pay and pets to feed" and blah blah.
And yeah I think she was doing a lot of chibi-style work at one point and it feels like she tried to incorporate that into her regular style that just further makes things weird looking. I'm just curious if maybe her stuff would look like non-cohesive if she tried a simpler coloring style