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>>2409906 No. 2425078
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I think the conversation about fake fans who do nothing but watch gameplays to "get" the source material just helped me realize something. Something in the back of my mind winces and feels a slither of irritation when YouTube puts those 40minutes-1 hour long video essays about the "hidden themes", the "underrated horror", the "missed media literacy", and blahblahblah about whatever game these faggy commentary channels are on about. I couldn't find the proper words to explain just why this genre of video annoys me, but now I did. These videos are basically the lore version of just watching a gameplay. Not inherently bad, but the perfect tool for lazy people who don't want to directly interact with the source material yet still want to weasel their way into a fandom. If a person is truly interested in a game, they may watch a trailer that showcase the mechanics, but ultimately they would play the game themselves. The exact same can be said for lore videos. If a game's story is so interesting and important, wouldn't the more enriched response be to play the game yourself so that your mind can formulate its own understanding of the game's impression? At least BEFORE seeking other people's perspective on lore, symbolism, subtext, and messaging? THIS is why I cannot stand "lore and message explained" videos by seemingly pompous faggots on YouTube. Why SHOULD anyone be watching these videos for their first impression, if they arguably should just play the game instead so that their minds can work for their own conclusions? I can say the same for fucking TV Tropes. Play the game yourself and figure out hidden details and aspects yourself first BEFORE checking that dumbass Fridge Brilliance tab to be hit with the most obvious observations and realizations in the history of mankind.
No. 2425128
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I dont know if anyone's heard about this, but a small artist from my country killed herself over a twitter callout. She was a cunt but its insane to me that someone killed themselves over a call out post and being disowned by her fandom.
>pickme artist, ''bachatota'' who simps for a small vtuber who covers hispanic lolcows
>her whole gallery is nothing but fanart of this scrote's vtuber avatar
>tries to make a video exposing another artist, ''loulou''
>the callout video is 8 hours long
>its mostly filler about random irrelevant stuff she's said/done in the past
>but also talks about the artist drawing loli/degen shit, being friends with pedos and harassing people
>video goes semi-viral, until its striked and deleted by the artist she was calling out
>people start digging out dirt on ''bachatota''
>they find out that she's done the same things she's criticizing ''loulou'' for
>they find her old commission sheet where she was open to drawing lolicon, scat and furries
>she used to harass and alog people online, and even made sockpuppets to harass a female artist into attempting suicide because she had beef with the vtuber scrote she simped for
>she was also in a group with nothing but pedo lolitards
>one of her lolicon pedo friends, ''Hogo Bonk''' raped and then drove his tranny ex to commiting suicide
>the friend she made the video with, an artist going by ''brany'', is a lolicon furfag who used to post on baraag and posted about ''rustle'', a japanese lolicon moid who made references to cp in his art, being one of her favourite artists
>the boyfriend of this artist is the lolifag nazi ''hellonearth'' yes, the one with the ugly british punk oc
>friendly reminder she harassed another artist, ''fantagoria'', over talking to a nazi
>when confronted about this she said she knows ''brany'' only sees lolicon as fiction and doesnt want to end a lifelong friendship over it, despite calling out ''loulou'' over drawing lolicon
>the vtuber she simps for defends her at first, but changed his stance once he was flamed over it
>this vtuber raised to fame for criticizing another youtuber for covering up for his lolifaggot pedo degen friends btw
>he decides to cut ties with her at the end
>a month later she kills herself
This case is just modern fandom in a nutshell for me. A bunch of hypocrites using a morally righteous shield to call people they dislike and generate drama over things they themselves do. Its never about ''protecting the kids'' or ''calling out people that deserve it'', its purely to fuel their dopamine and blood lust for drama. Everyone involved, except maybe fantasmagoria, is a nonce, dont get me wrong. But its so obvious no one cares about the victims and children when they make these callouts.
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>>2425078>>2425121It's not that deep, most people watch these longform videos to sleep or for work and I definitely fall into the latter category. I listen to videos on topics that don't even interest me, so work goes by faster
No. 2425630
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>>2425626i realized i misspelled her name, it's actually kooleen. anyways she's an art youtuber that mostly makes shorts and videos with clickbaity thumbnails about how to draw x or do x and as any other big socmed artist, has skinwalkers. tiktok cried over picrel.
No. 2425731
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>old woman: exists
>She’s the man in the relationship she gets him pregnant ecksdee
Hannibalfags (and fans of shows with old moid mcs in general) are annoying as fuck. Okay he’s your hideous geriatric babygirl uke bottom or whatever but leave real-life women alone.
No. 2425745
>>2425732>making jokes about some woman you don’t know impregnating a man just because she happens to be married to himShe’s not even trying to be in the public eye outside of coming with her husband to events like once a year, she stopped acting 20+ years ago, she’s barely on social media. Learn boundaries, stop treating human women like fictional characters.
>>2425742>wears the pants in the relationshipThat’s not the jokes being made, but clearly you know what’s wrong with the jokes since you reworded it to remove the retarded parts
No. 2425753
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>>2425751>tells me to go back to twitter>while getting offended over a literal who, probably underage or sped, making a stupid joke about an old man and his wife who have too much money to give a shit about themanon if you are this sensitive i dont know how you manage to surf the web without having a stroke. Do you also get offended at this?
No. 2425754
>>2425753I have to ask, what about this
>>2425731 woman, makes her the man in the relationship
No. 2425755
>>2425749>>2425753This anon spergs out about this stupid shit practically every week. Pregnancy is
her thing.
No. 2425770
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Retarded, it's literally just the shit moids do with the dominant straight line/submissive diagonal line except without the lines.
It's bad when women joke about it though.
No. 2425776
>>2425770it's still retarded
>>2425774but they actually believe this
No. 2425787
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>>2425785we have a large group of fandom-rotten retards who genuinely believe that sexuality and sexual organs are just something you can swap or remove. This starts off with fictional characters but eventually leads to real life, usually their own. but again sexuality remains innate, so even in their bizarreo creations, they end up recreating some form of
toxic heterosexuality.
No. 2425819
>>2425792>>2425791>>2425787>>2425786>>2425785If you are unaware, there is a
Mads Mikkelsen contamination thread on /m/:
>>>/m/166390 No. 2425961
>>2425789People are saying it's "just a joke" but it never really is, it it? The one who gets pregnant is the weaker, submissive one, huh? That's what it means to be a woman?
I'm writing a dynamic where the older female badass mentor figure gets pregnant by the younger, gentler male without any of the "she's the man in the relationship lmao!!" Like no. Just treat them normally, Jesus Christ.
Real relationships don't fall neatly into your cartoon porn tags.
No. 2426246
>>2426180Nobody makes them or likes them, they just think your autistic pregnancy complex is more annoying.
If you just went "these are annoying" instead of trying to make some autistic husbandofags sperging online into "fujotifs
seriously believing men can get pregnant?!?!" then people would agree with you.
No. 2426380
>>2426367why do people jerk off astarion so much? he looks awful especially with the white hair
also
I don't get why they like the romance in bg3. What does it make for a good romance when the love interests are apparently attracted to everything you mash up in a character creator?
No. 2426398
>>2425078Lore videos and gameplays or let's plays or whatever aren't even remotely the same thing so this is a weird comparison to make
>>2425139Yeah even though they pretend like they're super chill and have no problems compared to the evil woke mob or whatever
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>>2426398No, they're basically the same concept but for different aspects of a game. Gameplays are essentially breakdowns of the mechanics and steps that it takes to progress and complete a game. Lore videos do the same thing, but with the game's plot: it breaks down the details of the characters, what is going on between them, the situation, and the ending. The point of my post is that lore videos get on my nerves because they're the perfect "junk food" content for people who want a half-assed excuse to themselves "fans". If a person truly cares about a game, they should just play it instead of relying on lore videos to get a clue of wtf is going on with a plot. Kind of like how people shouldn't really call themselves a fan of a game if they're too chickenshit to pick up a controller themselves. It's really that easy.
No. 2426448
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I don’t think people who husbandofag otome characters are real yumejos since romance is the point of the LI’s existence. Do not argue with me I simply wish to share my opinion.
No. 2426548
>>2426356>>2426426I think the major component missing is that these are all women yelling at each other because these are women spaces. Kooleen has a female audience, vivzie has a female audience. Most screenshots posted here are by women on twitter. We're all women talking about fandom discourse. I think this kind of fandom culture is geared more towards women which is why it seems like it's women who are more easily called out.
But in my opinion, I also don't understand why women have to call out both the bad women and men. We should we criticizing men for not policing and holding other men accountable too. Women just don't have the power to actually cancel men, and if those men aren't in those fandom spaces why would they care? I always see people say "why dont they do men the same" but its because those men do not have a female audience. I hope this makes sense but it feels like it's women calling out women because of a. Proximity. And b. Lack of actual power.
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>>2425961> The one who gets pregnant is the weaker, submissive one, huh? That's what it means to be a woman?Yes.
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a normal thing every woman and girls goes through? So gross!
She's such a pickme, holy shit
No. 2426572
>>2425961They hated
nonny because she told them the truth
No. 2426647
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>>2426636Pregnancy is parasitic.
No. 2426759
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>>2425731>>2425789they have a pathological fear of being genuine, and they can't express their sexuality in a healthy way. Every 'I'll get him pregnant' comment is a self-admission of both their misogyny and just how terminally online they are. anyone who defends these as jokes is also admitting they hang out in gendie circles
No. 2426772
>>2426759But the butt of the joke is that rough heterosex makes the recipient pregnant and that's funny and degrading. All they've done is invert the genders. "Gendies" didn't invent "rough sex through domination makes the recipient pregnant" being the butt of the joke the humiliation it entails and submission of the recipient.
Straight people and moids joke about this submission, pregnancy, degrading women in this way and the humiliation it entails all the time. All they've done is invert the genders.
No. 2426775
>why can't people say they just don't like things or have NOTPs anymore?because the answer is: there is a guarantee that an autist will insist on morally analyzing you. Most likely because you don't like their mid yaoi faggots, cringe yuri middle schoolers, puddle deep het writing or whatever other trope they're self inserting on as gendies or otherwise. Autists only understand clearly spelled out dismissals, not arguments.
>>2426730This whole fucking discourse was so stupid. All discourses about angel's songs were. Fans and hatewatchers were tripping themselves over to find a moral reason to hate this song and the character(s) when it was literally just shit or not their taste and that's ok. This behavior appears the most in fandoms because one can always bet on retards not shutting the hell up
No. 2426786
>>2426775I'd take it a step deeper and say that people self-inserting into characters so hard nowadays means that you are not allowed to dislike the characters, because disliking the character means you dislike
them. Back then it was fine to say you just dislike some anime shit because it's not your cup of tea but now some fag will pop up and try to cancel you because they believe they really are Bakugo MHA so now you have to justify WHY you dislike it with a bunch of retarded bullshit. "Just let people enjoy things." How about retards just let people hate things and use the block button the way our social media overlords intended?
No. 2426788
>>2426786Agreed. People also seem to hunt for content they know they won't like or agree with. There'll be a clearly labeled fic about x pairing and fans of y pairing in the comments complaining about how the author is a bad person and how x pairing is the most
problematic thing since Judas betrayed the son of God.
No. 2426789
>>2426775My they/them mutual loves the Poison song because it reminds her of her
abusive(?) ex (for context this relationship ended in 2014)
No. 2426809
>>2426759This shit's so gross. These people need to touch grass, I swear.
I also hate how they associate rough sex with humiliating BDSM/daddydom bullshit, as if rough sex couldn't be pleasurable for both partners, NOT involve any dom/sub shit and also NOT lead to pregnancy at all. Their brains have been fried by misogynistic "dark romance" porn. Turns out my hatred for 50 Shits of Gray has always been justified.
>>2426770Just ignore it
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AO3 censorship discourse is back with even more zoomers shitting their pants over fanfic. Not the authors' fault they can't use the tags properly.
No. 2426847
>>2426824honestly it's a shit system, you have to exclude all the warnings/tags
every single time you search by tags and you still might see weird shit if you don't exclude "creator chose not to use warnings". not to mention you can't even filter the normal search function results this way. ao3 has always seemed disinterested in letting you improve your user experience, people can't even make browser extensions without it breaking some of the site's functions.
No. 2426907
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Is everyone else seeing the word "puritan" thrown around in very strange ways lately? The sudden surge of people doing a 180° on dark romance booktok and supporting it happening at the same time as the AO3 censorship drama has been… interesting.
No. 2427019
>>2426448I don't understand your logic. What does the point of his existence being romance have to do with whether you're a "true yume" or not? Although rare, there are yume otome games, you know. LADS may be considered one of them because it encourages self-insertion.
Being a true yumejoshi ONLY means self-inserting, and it doesn't even have to be romantic (could be friendship, family relationship, etc.). Being a husbandofag is something else entirely that often, but not always, overlaps with being a yumejo.
But I don't get what's the problem with the romanceable characters being made for that purpose. If you're trying to claim that fictional characters must have a main purpose other than romance to be considered "legit" husbandos, or that falling in love with a character that was made for you to fall in love with them is "too easy", then you're just a dumbass. Plus, that's not what being a yumejoshi is about at all and this opinion of yours just reeks of wanting to turn husbandofagging into a competition to prove you're the only TRVE "yume" because your husbando canonically did not become attracted to you (how does this prove anything?). If you constantly imagine yourself interacting with fictional characters (especially if romantically) for fun, you are a yumejoshi.
Now, if you actually mean to say that most otome game players probably aren't "real" devoted husbandofags and just like the characters on a surface level, I might agree. Most of them are definitely not hardcore waifuists, that's for sure. But that still doesn't mean that otome characters cannot be ""true"" husbandos (kek) or that self-shipping with one doesn't count as being a """""true""""" yume (LMAO).
No. 2427060
>>2427004ao3 predates the whole proship discourse
shit, it was created in 2008. but yeah the logic was that it was an open repository and you curated your own browsing; back then there were other archives with stronger moderation if you wanted something more curated.
>>2426984except it isn't just about kink or whatever, people want to cancel the whole website.
it was created in reaction to other archives banning all nsfw content. there were several incidents where websites like fanfiction.net and livejournal changed their rules and ended up purging a shitload of existing content.
back in the day some fanfic sites wouldn't even allow anything with same-sex pairings. there are also authors who were trying to get fanfic of their works banned, so it's part of ao3's mission statement to defend the existence of fanworks.
people should be glad their precious fanfic is hosted by a nonprofit which holds up their right to free speech i steed of some algorithmic nightmare harvesting their data.
>>2426856most of the donations go to server costs because those are absolutely huge (ao3 is ine of the most visited websites on the internet) and they have no other source of funds since ao3 doesn't have ads or paid accounts or anything like that.
>>2427010>>2426847it has a mute feature where you can hide a specific author's works. otherwise the tag system requires a bit of wrangling because yeah, they trust users to curate their own browsing experience.
the whole point of ao3 os that it's one of the few websites left where YOU get choose what to see rather than them feeding you content.
99.9% of the content people complain about can be hidden simply by excluding the major warning categories. it takes one click to exclude all underage content, zoomers are just lazy and technologically illiterate.
No. 2427071
>>2426647>>2426682Where do you think our intelligence comes from? It's thanks to the mother
>>24266841. and? 2. what does this have to do with women being lesser
Damn there is so much behind what is purported as a mere joke
No. 2427078
>>2426907If i think people who sperg on about their
problematic faves all the time are damn weird and could benefit from surface level thinking into their preference then I'm a puritan
No. 2427095
>>2427078honestly i see your point but it's also damn annoying when peoole expect you to do soul searching or write a whole ass disclaimer before you're allowed to have preferences. fandom is just for fun, i don't wanna have to self-flagellate over liking something because im not catholic. imo the general trend i fandom tends toward more policing of what others are allowed to like, not less.
of course some people could benefit from critical thinking but others should also be reminded that there's a reason "don't like don't read" exists.
No. 2427123
>>2426827Kek yeah, that was what I thought they were complaining about before clicking on the image but then the very first phrase being "In the KNY tag-" was a whiplash back to reality.
It's a slippery trope so I'm agaisnt censoring/removing "
problematic" and questionable content (even if at times they make me want to kill the men who wrote/drew it and lose all hope in humanity) as long as everything, from the content itself to the characters, is obviously fictional. But the actual kid porn of actors and other real children must go, is it even legal to host it?
(Kind of related, but a few years back I went to the Ace Attorney AO3 tag and the very first fic I saw before filtering was tagged as "child porn", I kid you not. It still haunts me to this day)
No. 2427309
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why is there always this weird cope around the lack of f/f instead of accepting that most people in fandoms are straight women
No. 2427332
>>2427309Being straight is socially unacceptable according to these people so if you refuse to make f/f content you’re a closet misogynist/homophobe/pickme or whatever.
>straight women want hot guys, female characters don’t interest themKekkkk yeah no fucking shit like what did you expect.
No. 2427416
>>2427309A lot of women in fandom are heavily invested in the idea that it's a queer space above all else (and thus something that's socially beneficial) because it makes them feel better about being involved in something so self-indulgent, I think. They've internalized the fujoshi=homophobic fetishizer thing and can't even admit to themselves that they have a specific interest in m/m fiction because they find it hot. They'll say they just like queer fiction and it just happens it's always m/m, which gives fuel to the yurifags who want to complain rather than make their own content.
But ultimately the fujos keep on focusing on m/m, nothing changes and the arguments continue on.
No. 2427441
>>2427309I think the elephant in the room is what
>>2427416 said. Fandom is overwhelmingly straight women, no matter how much the tumblr kweer types like to wave their fists in the air about it. There are less yuri fics because there are less same sex attracted women in fandom, along the other problems that exarcebate the issue and make those women not want to write or get into f/f fiction.
>can't even admit to themselves that they have a specific interest in m/m fiction because they find it hot. They'll say they just like queer fiction and it just happens it's always m/m, which gives fuel to the yurifagsI don't know, man. Seems like this muh queer space hettie betties get out reeeeeeeeeee mentality is not sustainable for anybody. No wonder self hating shippers try to find every loophole under the sun to not get scolded. Gonna have to give this shit up eventually.
No. 2427512
>>2426772exactly. the concept of hetero sex (being penetrated) and pregnancy being degrading to women is not some “fandom or gendie only thing”. it’s all around us. I don’t think it’s beneficial to support these concepts but these woman just don’t want to be degraded and don’t have the power to single-handedly change how society and their culture thinks of sex so they just make jokes online.
>>2427309the numbersfagging is dumb but I always appreciate a good autistic chart. a couple of these are true though it is mainly the straight women one and the text focused one.