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No. 2313494

Previous: >>2269027

Discuss art and related topics such as:
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art (do not shill about your ai trained models key words on a prompt do not make you a artist)
-do not post your art to be reviewed here use the designated m thread

SCREENCAP EVERYTHING!
DO NOT REPLY TO BAIT! REPORT AND IGNORE!
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!

Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn
https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon

Useful youtube channels:
https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454
https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2
>where to find art
https://www.wikiart.org/es
https://artvee.com/
>other useful sites
https://film-grab.com/
https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing
https://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheel
https://freephotomuscle.com/

MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND. also check e-hentai and bilibili

No. 2313557

>>2313494
the outdated painting source is finally gone kek
threadpic is "Afternoon in September" by Frank Weston Benson

No. 2313637

>>2313413
In 2018 people were making fun of me for even thinking my art might be good enough for artist alley and in 2023 my anatomy was good enough that it was the first thing people complimented a lot of the time. It won’t take decades to get good at anatomy if you just sit down and dedicate yourself. Find some photos on Pinterest that seem cool and reference them to draw your favs for some fun studies.

No. 2313723

>>2313071
what's the scar? did she get an oophorectomy or something?

No. 2313764

>>2313723
Mostly likely appendectomy

No. 2313796

>>2313723
she got her kidney stolen

No. 2314001

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You cannot get any straighter at first glance with these two. They are drawn stereotypically straight.

No. 2314009

>>2314001
I don't get why it's so wrong to call them "straights" even. unless you count the fact that alex is actually woman, but she's weak to admit that

No. 2314150

>>2313637
I do that, but i only started drawing 2 years ago. I am not dumb, i know it takes time to get good.

No. 2314216

One of the most annoying trends in art lately is trying to emulate an old style and claiming its lost media. I mean, why? its so attention whory and it clogs actual lost media tags. Probably my least favourite art trend next to those shitty anal horror clips. The mv stands on its own, its good, but claiming its lost media so it gets in the algorithm of people who actually care about lost media is so obnoxious i always leave it a dislike even if its good.

No. 2314259

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sorry if this has been asked already (I’ve looked through the old threads and haven’t found much) but are there brushes nonas would recommend for this kind of painterly style in procreate? I adore the rendering style of picrel but I have had trouble getting the hang of it on procreate. I use a hand-me-down iPad and don’t really have the spare money to buy a drawing tablet, so I’d like to work with what I have— but all the artists I admire use sai and that’s not available for iPad (unless there’s some trick I’m unaware of). I’ve imported some custom brushes but haven’t yet found anything that can recreate this nice smooth painterly effect. The painting tutorials I’ve seen for procreate don’t produce the look I want.

No. 2314318

>>2314001
the way I absolutely rolled my eyes at this. I really wish people called her out in the comments but ofc it’s all fakebois

No. 2314507

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i may be dumb and unknowledgeable about these topics but this just seems petty

No. 2314512

>>2314507
yeah these rugs were awesome.

No. 2314532

>>2314507
I mean if she’s Russian what’s wrong with romanticizing her OWN culture? OP sounds salty to me

No. 2314534

>>2314532
op is salty because she didnt get an awesome rug to lie on as a kid.

No. 2314541

>>2314507
The retweeter is Ukrainian, simple.

No. 2314543

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I am disappointed as many people who know how to draw and even popular artists use AI and nobody realizes, if their drawings did not have a soul before now a lot less
Left is the new drawing, it doesn't even have the ability to trace, what is that lineart?

No. 2314606

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>>2314259
disclaimer I'm relatively new to digital painting myself, and couldn't find a high enough res image to really pixel peep, this was the highest res file: https://64.media.tumblr.com/72b64f8e6a29f159eddd806e1ceaa521/14ba220858d15f5a-8a/s1280x1920/8954981a87ffe14defd02d630d968888ab4e3f0c.jpg, but…
I don't really think any particular brush is going to get you the look you want. if you look closely at the linked file around the characters' feet and compare the grass and clothing textures, you'll notice there are least 4 or 5 different brushes being used. the trick is that everything is layered and nothing is a totally flat opaque texture, there's gaps and opacity allowing the other layers to show through (like traditional oil painting), and because the artist is rotating between so many different brushes it helps stop it from looking too digital with perfect uniformity, there's some "randomness".

Secondly, use several different hues of a similar value, even within parts of the picture that should be the same color. Look at any little section of one of the dresses where there is no shading, and notice that it's not just blue, but green and grey and brown and blue and purple, all of similar value and layered over each other. Try using a small zoomed in section as a reference layer on your own drawing and play with the color picker, going pixel by pixel adding all the different colors to your palette.

picrel is the only part where I found a non standard brush texture, where you could try making your own custom brush to recreate

No. 2314615

>>2314543
What a fucking downgrade

No. 2314621

>>2314532
It's actually an american woman living in kazakhstan

No. 2314629

>>2314543
Left just reminds me of Ilya's art

No. 2314639

>>2314507
Is she retarded? What exactly is bad about commie blocks except for how they look? I'm currently living in one and sure they are ugly, but they are also cheap and have greenery between them which can't be said about most high density housing. They were also a huge improvement in quality of life for a lot of people when they were built in the soviet era, even if they are outdated now.

No. 2314749

>>2314150
But you're acting like it takes literally forever when it doesn't. 2020 and 2022 were my biggest leap years in terms of improvement because I actually told myself I would sit the fuck down and actively tackle my faults. You're looking for ways to get around them.

No. 2314940

>>2314001
She absolutely wanted to make them straight. She wants that TIF money and attention though. Or she could be just doing this to fill her “my ocs are totally lgbt guyz don’t forget” quota to not lose followers.

No. 2314945

>>2314749
I literally said i draw everyday. I do at the very least a minimun 30 mins of figure drawing. I congratulate you for beign artistically gifted but not everyone is like you, i struggle.

No. 2314963

>>2314945
It's not about who's artistically gifted and who's not. 30 minutes is an extremely short amount of time, it's all about who is dedicated enough to learn the craft. I see people complaining about how young people have it so easy these days and how they're so much more talented, but I guarantee you that 17 year old who draws at a professional level was probably extremely dedicated to drawing shit like Sans or Yandere Simulator fanart since age 9. I struggled too, and my art got dogpiled hard by people when I posted it online, but I took that criticism to heart and decided I'd get so good at art nobody could ever make me feel that way again. I was always the worst artist out of all of my other artist peers, and something changed in the last 3 years, that something being that I actually sat the fuck down and drew a LOT more than I was previously. Then I became the person that was suddenly "too cool" for others just because of my art skill, an extremely stark contrast that's still jarring to me. You just need to dedicate yourself more.

No. 2314967

>>2314963
I swear none of you read, i said at the very least i study 30 min a day. You clearly dont read my posts and are just acting condescending when you dont even know how my art looks.

No. 2314974

>>2314967
Pyw then so people can actually help you?

No. 2314978

>>2314974
No, you guys will just parrot the same shit ''uwu u just need to practice more tehehe'' as if i already dont do that everyday. I dont know if you guys are larping or just have chinese level talent. Its worthless to take criticism from someone if i cant see their art anyways.

No. 2314986

>>2314216
It's just a joke. I don't think they intend for it to be taken as actual lost media. Autists, I swear to God.

No. 2314991

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>>2314507
The rugs were hanged in walls because most of the Russians back in the old days couldn't afford a stove, so having a rug help it to keep the apartment warm, also they worked as sound proof since the walls were thin af. It wasn't only for decoration. Same with the "commie blocks". Be salty AF, Sasha, but please take a lesson on Russian culture first?

No. 2315002

>>2314986
Its not funny its just annoying because my algorithm pushes it to me when i am watching actual lost media content. If you were looking for animal videos and instead you got recommended some anime cat girl you would be pissed too. Its also a bunch of underage zoomies doing this and trying to create the next internet mistery.

No. 2315003

>>2314978
>chinese level talent
Lol you realize the "superior asian art" meme just comes from the fact they have a much more hardcore work culture than we do in the west, right? Therefore they are more inclined to spend more time grinding shit out than us. Just try to copy one of their drawings 1:1, unironically. It's good practice, and it'll help you learn the rendering skills you want.

No. 2315005

>>2315003
Yes, I know. I do all that. Thats why i don't want to post my art here, retards just make assumptions just because they think one can easily become instantly talented with just one or two years of hardwork when it takes years.

No. 2315014

>>2315005
Pewdiepie tho? Though imo pewdiepie is still clearly beginner tier and people were shitting themselves over nothing kek. You're getting super defensive when told to just practice more. I get it's frustrating but it's the only way to become better. Why don't you try some of those xiaohongshu tutorials? Though I'm sure you'll say again I'm just """assuming""" you're not doing shit when you came here looking for help in the first place.

No. 2315022

>>2315014
>say i practice a lot
>you need to practice more!
see what i mean? you dont know how much i practice. I even do the tedious shit no one else wants to do like drawabox and peter han. Its so annoying when people think your lack of skill correlates with your lack of effort.

No. 2315026

>>2315022
I've literally never done either of those because shit like that is nonsensical to me. I just draw what I like and it makes me a lot more invested in my practice, therefore, more knowledge gained. If I don't know how much you practice, then why not just go day by day telling me how much you practiced during December?

No. 2315033

>>2315026
A lot. Its kinda annoying when people negate talent isnt real, i know some people use it as a cope, but it has nothing to do with that. Some people are just naturally better at other stuff. Like how some kids are more inclined for math or for sports. Some people just have to work for harder and longer, and sadly i am the latter.

No. 2315035

>>2315033
>A lot
No anon, I'm asking for actual times. Just an estimate is okay. I also had to study a lot more than my artist peers and I felt bad about my work a lot. Delusion about being a rich and famous artist someday is what kept me going, lol. How much are you ACTUALLY studying?

No. 2315040

>>2315035
52 hrs 32 min according to timer-chan

No. 2315046

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>>2315040
So approximately 3 hours per day. Just keep at it. If that's all you're able to dedicate, and I genuinely don't mean to be condescending what I say this, try to cut down on studies that are "tedious shit" to you and do more art you're personally invested in. I learned a lot more about art obsessively drawing fanart for Genshin Impact than I ever did actually taking art classes. Best of luck.

No. 2315049

>>2315014
Jeez, I'm glad that nonna is not in /ic/.

No. 2315063

>>2314543
I do not care for either of them

No. 2315096

>>2314259
look through here and download whatever you find interesting
https://vk.com/free_brushes

No. 2315178

>>2315046
Sorry for lashing out anon i was having a bad day. I will keep practicing thanks for the encouragement.

No. 2315202

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>>2315096
Not that nonna but thank you for the link! I found the ones I was looking for a while. Hope you have good Festivities.

No. 2315235

>>2314606
Ayrt, thank you for such an in depth explanation, this made a lot of things click for me! I used to love working with colors when I was a teenager and doing traditional art with pastels, but I’ve had a hard time getting the hang of it on digital. this was really helpful (I forget how to insert the little heart thing we have but pretend it’s there)
>>2315096
Thank you! I’ll look through these— I previously found some through the procreate forums but most of the artists making custom brushes there aren’t actually at a high skill level and their brushes are pretty wonky. What you’ve linked looks better, thank you nona (vk is a lifesaver generally)

No. 2315400

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I really wish Kiyo Kyujo went back to her old method of colouring. Her digital artworks just dont hit the same as her older works, im disappointed

No. 2315405

>>2314507
Sorry for late reply but commie blocks and those rugs aren't exclusive to russians kek (the artist is from kazakhstan) pretty much everyone in eastern europe has had some kind of irl exposure to them. Not only that but they didn't disappear after the soviet union fell, plenty of us have never lived a day under communism but still appreciate having our day to day lives represented in art
>t. romanian with family in moldova who's had plenty of experience with post soviet stuff and loves her art
>>2314541
you'd think they'd know better than to call someone from an ex soviet state russian kek

No. 2315510

>>2315400
Digital will never compare to traditional

No. 2315519

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>>2315022
If you’re practicing consistently and not seeing improvement you might need to focus on learning how to learn. Plenty of people on DAD have years of daily drawings and they never improve because they aren’t actually learning. Skills are like muscle groups and just focusing on one part of the skill will give you diminishing returns and you risk burning yourself out. Picrel was useful for developing my artistic eye and breaking down subconscious patterns in my art habits that were holding me back. I share this out of love nonna because I have been in your place before and I understand how frustrated you must feel.

No. 2315521

>>2315519
Thanks nonny, i remember reading this but i will give it a second try.

No. 2315550

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I am struggling so much to come up with an art name. How did you nonnies choose yours?

No. 2315576

>>2315550
I thought of what would best capture the attitude or style of my work, made a word bank of stuff I thought would sound good, and then played with combinations. Don't be afraid to spell words "wrong" as well for style. My username has a word starting with C that I swapped with K so my name would have alliteration.

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>>2315519
Ntayrt but this is a great bit of advice, thanks nonnie! For any painters in the thread, I highly recommend James Gurney's book on light and color theory. Very succinct, easy to understand and covers a ton of topics. Hands down one of the best practical books for the fine arts I've ever bought.

No. 2315590

>>2315550
I just do a pun or a set of random words

No. 2315744

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This came up on my tl and I was shocked to see it had 13k likes because it looks like utter shit lmfao?

No. 2315836

>>2315400
Does she go by different names, bc I thought the top was by a different artist

No. 2315839

>>2315744
Besides the face looking like it's going inwards, it looks fine to me for a loose sketch that was likely done in a few minutes. Joey is very clearly skilled. I like the fluidity of her lines a lot

No. 2315919

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She is just never gonna stop seething.

No. 2316077

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>>2315400
They will never look the same because they’re two different artists. The first one is even signed, you can see Thores in the bottom left corner.

No. 2316080

>>2316077
Ah I had the presumption that Kyujo did all the art for trinity blood, thanks for elaborating

No. 2316393

>>2314967
Nonnie 30 mins a day no where near enough to justify your crashout ITT

No. 2316498

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>>2315919
This was posted already >>2309722. But yes, she's stuck talking about how she's a victim on a loop. Now she's vagueposting about someone else tracing her art, she said in the comments that she might actually show something this time.

No. 2316499

>>2316498
samefag but I accidentally included an unrelated post about her talking about her OCs making her happy when I cropped the Marvel one kek, ignore that.

No. 2316503

>>2316393
Why are anons incapable of reading…

No. 2316507

>>2316498
>it may very well come to that, in due time
what a massive cunt kek. A perpetual victim indeed. She sounds insufferable and extremely mentally ill.

No. 2316517

>>2316503
I don’t think you’ll get the response you’re looking for on here, nonna, you’re just wasting time that could be better used on drawing something new (not just grinding fundies) Trying to be right on the internet is a fool’s errand…

No. 2316519

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>>2314507
ukrainians are going to be petty and salty about people romanticizing soviet union forever, just get used to it and move on
i know it sounds ridiculous to outsiders but if you lived in the same cultural context you'd understand. you never will though and that's ok. not sure what she tried to achieve by tweeting that in english

No. 2316532

>>2313480
She's nothing like Kratos. she doesn't have a hideous beard and doesn't brutally rape and dismember women for fun. How can you judge her personality from a 1 minute teaser anyways? Learn to use your brain and form your own opinions instead of parroting whatever neckbeard influencers tell you.

No. 2316544

>>2315744
does it look like she has a huge pinocchio shaped ear to anyone else?

No. 2316556

Nonas, do any of you feel insecure about your art? Especially when your fellow artist peers are making meaningful art and I'm over here drawing my ocs & my favorite fictional characters doing dumb shit

No. 2316591

>>2316556
yeah a lot more lately. like I don't relate to artists I see irl at all.
I feel like my work is immature compared to everyone else, like I didn't really grow up from liking colorful animals since I was like 6 and feel ashamed for it. things like that

No. 2316594

Do any nonas here like to animate? I always thought I was never that interested in animation until this year I've been questioning whether my art really fulfills me emotionally or not. I realized what I truly feel passionate about is just seeing my ideas come alive in art format and I'm thinking about trying to animate something small to see if I find it fulfilling. Should I just trace over an anime gif to try it out? What are your experiences with the emotional/time investment in animating vs just drawing?

No. 2316599

>>2316594
There's an animation thread on /m if you're interested

No. 2316654

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>>2316556
>>2316591
I also feel this way. This is what was my biggest insecurity for years. I'd draw a lot and despite having dozens of drawings at any given time I'd really have nothing to show for it. It has pushed me to start trying to make more "serious" pieces recently. I haven't stopped drawing my ocs nor do I think I ever will, but I now try to make art that portrays them more interestingly than "guy just standing there on blank background" either by trying more interesting poses or compositions.

It's still lesser in the eyes of irl normies and trad artists who expect me to paint landscapes and realistic portraits but it's helped me get over not even having anything of value to show people when they ask me what I draw. Something like picrel is simple in appearance and not conceptually complex but has enough appeal that it's not a public humiliation ritual to show around. Personally if I'm not rendermaxxing a piece and keep it lightly cell shaded I add a bunch of texture overlays and it makes it looks more interesting to the eye. You don't have to stop drawing your ocs for people to take you more seriously, even if you enjoy slice of life, silly, casual kind of art. I do those too sometimes and what I realized helped its appeal was to portray it as candid shots of the situations you draw like you'd see in photography. Two friends just sharing food or something can be a very nice image if posed and composed nicely.

I do understand though that it all mostly depends on your art style, and people often don't take more cartoony work or work stylized in certain ways seriously at all, but as tired as it is to bring it up once you grind your fundies you can get over that hurdle. I'll use brujoari as an example here because anons are familiar with her work. She has cartoony art that isn't really anything that would be too hard to execute with some practice but it seems to have enough appeal to people that it got its own show, despite her just drawing silly situations of her ocs doing dumb shit as you put it.

I hope I didn't come off preachy, it is not my intention to be some arbiter of new groundbreaking knowledge because god knows I'm not some art savant either, but this is what helped me become more confident and to improve without really changing my subject matters all that much. Good luck anons!

No. 2316914

>>2315405
Late but I'm pretty sure she's an American living in Kazakhstan, she's talked about moving there after going to uni on her tumblr iirc

No. 2317069

>>2316556
In terms of technical skill, sometimes, but not so much subject matter. I've had thoughts that I'm uncreative because I don't care about OCs and only draw fanart, but fanart of my favorite characters is meaningful to me. There's no reason character-focused art can't be "meaningful", even if not everyone will understand that. But I also draw mainly character interactions, and I draw environments all the time, as well as trying more abstract ideas. I'm allergic to drawing characters just standing around with no interesting poses, props, or set-pieces, unless it's just practicing their design. Even if I'm not familiar with the characters, I find myself drawn to art where they're interacting with each other in an environment or has some interesting visual symbolism.
I second everything >>2316654 said. Comparing yourself to others can help challenge you but different people have different goals and approaches to art, too much comparison can become self-defeating poison.

No. 2317113

>>2316556
yes but because i feel like i haven't improved since i was like 14 kek. now any 16 year old online can mog me, or at least it feels like that. i know it's all my fault. unironically i feel like i improved the most when i drew out of boredom during class, and now that i'm out of school i have no reasons to draw… i mean, i still like doing it, but seeing how anyone can get lightyears ahead of me by just existing kinda kills my passion.

No. 2317140

>>2316556
yes, extremely. fundamentally i am a good drawer, have great technical skills i polished for over a decade, but i don't make art pieces. i can hardly consider myself an artist. my "art" expresses nothing, i could even consider myself a worse version of gen AI because i'm basically just a human asset printer. what few drawings i do complete fully still express nothing but being a well-drawn OC in a bland void. i have no unique style, voice, or techniques. i lack passion and it's been years since i've been able to just sit down with a blank canvas and create something freely. the kind of art i can make is not the kind of art i feel adds worth to the world. i am working on changing this but until then i'm really insecure when i compare myself to artists half my age with vibrant styles and overflowing artistic passion. i think i'm a cautionary tale of worrying too hard about art fundies.

No. 2317214

https://www.twitch.tv/jubyart

Juby live rn talking about how bad she wants to physically harm genice

No. 2317283

>>2317214
>nona posted this 2 hours ago
Just checked out the stream, it’s still live, and she’s STILL complaining about Genice, the fuck kek.
Also she was calling Genice delusional then minutes later said some shit about “not all artists are magical girls”, some are “evil spellcasters” and “witches” implying Genice is one of those KEKKK (~3:06:00 mark I think)

No. 2317285

>>2317113
When I was in high school i was the ‘good artist’ in my friend group. My sister looked up to me and practiced art every day and now she draws a new beautifully rendered piece almost every week while I manage some half finished study maybe once a month. The only thing stopping me from being insecure about younger artists being better than me is pure cope at this point.

No. 2317289

>>2317283
>"people is a very generous word"
>over supposed plagiarism
Oh my fucking god I HOPEEEEE she actually goes after genice publicly like she's been hinting she would because Juby needs to actually get clapped, especially if she's actually trying to get her blacklisted from the industry? Juby is literally a fucking monster.

No. 2317355

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>>2317214
>>2316498
It seems the Marvel cover trace wasn't with Juby's art, it was traced of InkPangur's art that she gifted Juby. The tracer is rianbowart. Juby feels entitled to the drama because the drawing traced was a gift to her, she mentioned in her stream that she was the one who pushed her friend Nina to contact the girl. She at least showed evidence this time, but I'm still curious what she had on Genice.

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No. 2317451

>>2317140
maybe you are better suited for illustration rather than art. there's a difference

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No. 2317696

>>2317451
>>2317140
Illustration is all about communicating an idea, anon would not be a good illustrator if all their drawings are bland with weak concepts. My advise to anon would be to do master copies of illustrations you love, and analyze what you like about them. Pick out themes, motifs, colors, characters, poses, etc. you enjoy looking at. Analyze yourself, what movies and genres do you like, there's a reason, find out why media excites you instead of passively consuming content. Anon is correct that focusing on art fundies doesn't make you a great artist, generating ideas and executing good visuals is the hardest part about art. And learning every muscle in an anatomy book or how to paint shiny hair will not teach you how to generate good ideas.

No. 2317772

>>2314986
nta but it's.. often not a joke, though. i can't say for this video but zoomers think that a 2000s anime or game they've never heard of = lost or forgotten media. ive seen "forgotten media" videos by zoomers on shit that came out on toonami for years and popular games with current remakes being called "abandonware"/"forgotten media". it's obnoxious. they're retarded.

No. 2317791

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>>2316556
Sometimes, specially when others have a big public on their work while I only have some bots? But then I remember I do the art for me first, so the numbers of rt/comment/visits do not bother me anymore.

Picrel, my battlestation.

No. 2317800

>>2317285
Back in my HS I was also "the artists Nonna", but my class never asked me to draw stuff for the class, not something as a gift because I was so weird and deep in my Fandom life, they thought I would never be able to draw something else.
After seeing how they destroyed a drawing I made for the class, I never wanted to draw for them. Their problem, not mine.

No. 2317899

>>2317355
Ok yeah that's definitely traced, but the way she was talking makes it sound like she traced from Juby? My fucking god, this bitch is looking for literally any reason to feel victimized. Peak bpdchan behavior. If she was willing to show the evidence so quick on rianbow but has been seething hard about genice with no proof, it makes me think this isn't as clear and cut as she wants to make it. And regardless, even if she DID plagiarize her OCs, it doesn't fucking warrant her saying she literally wants to harm her irl, especially when they live in close proximity. No idea how nobody in her chat doesn't see the red flags.

No. 2318028

>>2317285
ayrt, i can relate to many of the things here like the monthly study and the coping. i could say, let's start learning draw from scratch, as if i never really learned, but then i get mad that i'm so behind my peers when they've been grinding it since age 7 doing sonic fanart. at this point i'd just have to learn and practice like usual and cope that all of us have different learning speeds, and mine just happens to be on the slower side.

No. 2318075

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>>2315919
>>2316498
I did some snooping in her twitter replies, and I find it intriguing that she schmoozes out to a lot of big artists. If it weren't for her track record it would probably seem like shes just supportive of her mutuals/friends, but knowing how she lashes out on others and gets a thrill out of holding someones reputation over their head it all looks so slimy.
Im glad Genice proved her right on one thing and its her P.R control because Juby has been seething left and right that she remained unaffected by her public sperging and is threatening on doing a "public callout" (acting as if she hadn't already done so on her multiple livestreams and multiple social media accounts)

No. 2318078

>>2317446
I find it incredibly retarded that clippy points and GOLD (the paid variation of clippy) expire. a setback to csp's many pros but it still annoys me regardless

No. 2318082

>>2316556
Yeah, to the point where it's kind of embarrasing to even post online. I feel like I should be way better by now but it's my own fault for being a lazy depressed idiot. I actually want to draw my oc more but get afraid no one would care compared to fanart stuff.

No. 2318084

>>2317696
>>2317451
thank you nonnies for the advice. i really appreciate getting pointers from anyone i can, it just feels like my own abilities to do these things has atrophied and died over the years so others’ advice is the most valuable to me at this point. ironically enough i was a professional illustrator for a bit but like nona says, i just listened to my clients and drew whatever they tell me to. i know burnout is common but i was like this for years before that as well. thank you again for the advice, i am making it my goal in 2025 to attempt to improve and make “art” art.

No. 2318241

>>2318078
And even more that some cp brushes/materials cost more than 1k on cp. What is this? a brush made of 24k gold??

No. 2318555

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Sage for not being huge drama or anything but do any other nonnies have artists who you used to love for years, only to slowly start disliking them later on?

Picrel is Little Thunder's ig page, top from 2019-ish bottom from 2024. I used to adore her early artwork, I'd been following her since she used to only post her art on Flickr (lol), but lately I find her work so dull. If it isn't a gijinka of her cats, it's the same Asian-looking anime pinup (usually in tight or revealing clothing) doing a boring pose against a boring background. Tbf she's always had a thing/gimmick of drawing the same face and focusing on beautiful women, but it just feels especially prevalent with her work nowadays.

I hate to call female artists coomery, but I can't help but feel disappointed. Even with that random screenshot I took from 2019, you can tell the art has a nicer color palette, more variety of perspective, etc… it's not just some full-body pinup against a background. Anyone with a similar experience?

No. 2318561

>>2318555
I used to really love Loputyn's art around the early 2010's, particularly her comic Les Trois Roses. It looked very beautiful and charming even if the anatomy looked a little off sometimes, the settings and outfits were super detailed and her subjects had more variety (she also used to draw more bishie men, which I particularly liked).

Then around 2015-16 Loputyn started to shift her focus and her pieces started to get a lot more sexual in tone. Young girls (I'm not saying she's a pedo or anything but it's clear she prefers drawing petite, young-looking girls) nude, in lingerie, getting fondled or pretty much haxing sex or in other intimate situations. Sure it's artistic and all and it didn't particularly offend me that much but I quickly grew bored at it. I'm glad she seems to be doing well but I was more intrigued by her older art. I get it, soft girl getting intimate something something naked something something contrast between purity and innocence and carnal desires etc etc, but if it's all she does now it's just fairly boring.

No. 2318566

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>>2318561
same, i followed loputyn's works religiously. i remember it was one of my main objectives to one day draw like her because i was obsessed with the way she drew dresses. i remember it was when drawings like pic related started to get a lot of attention and popular that she started to lean more into adding suggestive themes to her art, which then evolved into her drawing essentially softcore porn. her art is still very beautiful but like you said i'm a bit bored by the constant loop about the same themes in the same styles and the same visual metaphors and so on. she also doesn't draw complex backgrounds or outfits anymore, at least not as often as she did around 2014 and 2016, which is a pity.

No. 2318569

>>2318555
That new middle one looks like ai…

No. 2318570

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>>2318555
for me it's potozaur/valarkspur, see picrel for puppychan level art degradation
the eastern euro takes on western media used to be charming but now it's mainly weird ugly bastard/"femboy" tradwife fetish shit

No. 2318586

>>2318555
>>2318561
>>2318570
Not saying this is the case with the artists mentioned, but I think sometimes that when artists improve their anatomy they can get focused on showing it off to the detriment of their unique voice. It almost constrains them in a way when it should have freed them.

No. 2318590

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>>2318570
Nta but this is the 'femboy' in question:

No. 2318592

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>>2318555
Meyoco. I used to follow her when she mostly did traditional watercolour as she inspired me to get into the medium. I enjoyed her yuri on ice artworks as well but shortly after her art blew up and she began churning out the same kawiwi aesthetic celestial boba tea vidya reference artwork over and over and stopped doing traditional, I just got bored of it and unfollowed

No. 2318631

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>>2318590
I know its supposed to be a FTM femboy but it just gives Alice from Superjail vibes with the big fake tits and manhands, plus seething over real women talking to his husband, lol.

No. 2318642

sorry for personal vent but i was drawing on my laptop and my boyfriend's parents walked by saying someone else in their family "also does little doodles sometimes", it was a nearly done highly rendered piece that i was quite proud of and now i feel like it just looks like shit

No. 2318655

>>2318642
Old people tend to have poor eyesight and laptop screens are small, they might not have even seen what you were working on and just commented on the fact that you were drawing at all. Either way, don't take it to heart anon. I'm sure they didn't intend for it to come across that way. Maybe "little doodles" is what their family member calls it and they're just parroting, artists have a habit of downplaying their efforts.

No. 2318696

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>>2318592
same, used to love meyoco's work before she went all digital. not that she invented it but i basically consider her to be ground zero of the kawaii aesthetic celestial boba tea vidya art style which i have grown to loathe.

speaking of, i remember really getting annoyed with her when she did that post shortly after qinni passed away. i don't quite recall what she said but imo she was being very rude about it, basically throwing a fit over people comparing her art to qinni's and wondering whether they knew each other irl, which, fair enough, but still not the best thing to be all me me meeee after someone passes away.

No. 2318726

>>2318655
right or maybe they were downplaying that artists work in comparison to your fully rendered piece you know?

No. 2319152

fighting bpdchan propaganda by making a BL where the love interest acts extremely bpd-esque and is rightfully called out for being abusive at the end and gets broken up with kek, all without mentioning bpd by name. I hate how normalized this type of behavior is in artist circles, you can't outwardly speak about it.

No. 2319370

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I want to get back into art, but I’m not sure where to share it. Is there a place where you can post art and actually get constructive criticism? Are social media platforms still worth it, or is Discord better? Any resources or advice would be super helpful. I’m a confused artist who hasn’t created seriously in a decade but wants to get back into it professionally. I’m focusing on digital painting and children’s book illustration, so I need to keep my name clean. I found a radfem server, but it feels risky since people might recognize my art. Any tips?

No. 2319381

How do I avoid the common pitfalls of digital art breeding laziness in it's practitioners?

No. 2319404

>>2319381
elaborate nonna?

No. 2319409

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>>2318555
I remember seeing an artist years ago called Yu Dori/Yudori and really liking her painting style but she was also kind of a massive lolcow and blew up for a bit because of comics having really weird content. I tried looking up what they do now and it's mostly erotic web comics

No. 2319428

>>2318590
This abomination is the final boss of "muh art style."

No. 2319459

>>2317214
This is the most unhinged shit I've ever seen. 7 hours of nonstop complaining about genice and the one who traced her friend's art, but mostly genice. Around the 7 hour mark she's just airing genice's entire dirty laundry saying this like
>she doesn't have any trauma, she has loving parents and "never went through anything in her life"
>her biggest trauma in life is when she worked for trigger and they didn't let her "sit at the big boy's table
>at the same time she was credited as the art director for some ending animation but they never invited her to any of the meetings, juby says she "should have asked why" and that genice "leaves out information that makes her look bad" and "probably did something to warrant that"
>another animator got hired a year later and genice thought she was being treated better than her just because she was assertive, she got invited to those aforementioned meetings genice didn't
>genice confides in juby about being jealous of the other girl, and hurt by the situation
>juby says that she "frames everything as if she's the victim", says she is "spiteful" and demonizes her for having been jealous of the other girl, says she only steals because she's jealous
>"feeling jealousy is not a pleasant emotion but that doesn't mean you were hurt" this is now an injoke with her husband, "hurt by jealousy"
>juby says that "as far as we know she could be lying about all that too because if you can steal you can lie"
>calls genice a narcissist nonstop, talks about her being a psychopath and her psychopathy
>juby called genice "delusional" and "self deluded" and on a call genice told her she was hurt by those comments and juby says she "won't take it back because it's true"
>continues to underline that she only told her that because it's the truth, and that it's not that bad and genice overreacted
>genice in response called her controlling
>juby knows her parents and says "they should be ashamed to have a daughter like genice"
>says that genice goes to therapy but "probably doesn't do any work" and "only goes there to get buttpats and validation"
>genice is insecure because she has little life experience as opposed to our brave and stunning traumatized juby

It's all like this. She sounds completely nuts. Someone should archive these streams before she wakes up and DFEs them. This woman must be an autist to have such a low level of empathy, it's the only explanation.

No. 2319482

>>2319404
guessing they mean like copy pasting things and using brushes/stamps instead of drawing things?

No. 2319491

>>2319428
try to draw traditionally along with digitally, like doing traditional sketches and turning them into digital pieces. I feel my art was best when I did that.
Doing so will keep you from being so dependent on shortcuts like the undo/redo button and lasso tool

No. 2319522

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>>2316498
i discovered some juicy gossip kek, apparently juby and genicecream on twitter had a fallout. i'm currently listening to a past broadcast of her stream, which is from three days ago during the time this is posted: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2332990367?filter=archives&sort=time
i'm just around 30 minutes in and she talked about how genicecream stole from her art, to make fan merch? so this is why genice posted this..interesting
she probably halted her shop because her new merch had the things that she stole from juby.
juby complains a lot on twitter and i saw the recent marvel tracing drama, so out of curiosity i checked her twitch broadcasts because i know she vents a lot there and just found this out. i wonder how long this genice drama happened, the second newest broadcast was 11 days ago so maybe she talks about it more there or in past broadcasts too

No. 2319523

around the 40 minute mark in the stream now, juby is saying that she broke off with genice as peacefully as she could, is watching genice, not stalking her, and is waiting for a reason to "expose" her or something because people like her aren't punished enough. so if juby makes another drama post about genice these upcoming weeks, you heard it here first kek

No. 2319528

>>2319522
>>2319523
>>2317214
oops sorry i am stupid and this was already discussed.
i'd love to see what genice copied from juby

No. 2319551

>>2319522
She "stole" from juby the plot for her own personal comic, which we have no idea what it is, from juby's own personal comic (a witch's cross) that we also have no idea about because she hasn't published it. Juby is sperging because according to her she mentored genice wrt to making a comic by sharing the plot of her own comic to genice, who then brainstormed ideas for it which Juby found too similar to her own. Oh and this is also a big deal because AWC is deeply personal to Juby and based on her own life traumas which genice is allegedly appropriating.

No. 2319565

>>2319551
so i wonder if genice is going into a big hiatus because she's changing her eden story thing, whatever juby namedropped on bluesky, i forgot the title, just that i had eden in it.
but i'm pretty sure genice also copied some stuff in her fan merch because juby complained about her merch in particular in her stream

No. 2319567

>>2319491
You mis-quoted somebody nonna but thank you.

No. 2319605

>>2319459
I used to think she was just mad that genice didn't take the bait and give juby a real reason to expose her but she's been shitting on her for a month at this point. none of her followers think this is unhinged or are even bored of it by now?

No. 2319629

>>2315002
>Its not funny its just annoying because my algorithm pushes it to me when i am watching actual lost media content
Just look away.
>t. If you were looking for animal videos and instead you got recommended some anime cat girl you would be pissed too.
This doesn't happen.
> Its also a bunch of underage zoomies doing this and trying to create the next internet mistery.
Who cares, again, just look away you autist.

No. 2319641

>>2319605
>I used to think she was just mad that genice didn't take the bait and give juby a real reason to expose her

This is still the reason she's sperging. If she had any real concrete evidence that genice copied her, she'd post it like >>2317355 but it's hard to accuse someone of stealing your concepts, especially if they're incredibly generic (like most anime flavored stories are imo) All of this sounds like pure jealousy for personal unsaid reasons, and awful for someone older to direct towards a younger person you've been friends with since before she was 18. Juby is supposedly Christian, so she should practice some grace and forgiveness.

No. 2319652

>>2319459
This woman is 36 displaying behaviors I'd expect from someone in their early twenties at the latest holy fuck. How the hell is ANYONE listening to this and thinking she's the good guy?

No. 2319654

>>2319629
Nobody cares about your shitty fake lost media project nonnie

No. 2319659

>>2319652
Sadly this type is quite common in online artist circles and BNFs. Listening to her gave me PTSD flashbacks to an online friend I used to have who in hindsight had the same kind of arrested development and OCD-levels obsession over people who wronged her, also in her 30s. It's sad but constantly victimising yourself is addictive, and when the target isn't biting (genice, who has not been addressing the drama publically at all) it makes you go insane. Juby is dying for genice to give her attention and in the stream she's talking about bringing revenge and retribution to genice like she's Elliot Rodger.

No. 2319662

>>2319654
I don't have one. I'm just pointing out how retarded it is to care about a zoomer's attempt to be apart of something they weren't even born to witness.

No. 2319665

>>2319662
It's general artist salt no one said the salt had to be justified. Personally I like the idea of mimicking older art/animation style even if a zoomer's only motivation is some internet arg trend.

No. 2319673

>>2319629
>If you were looking for animal videos and instead you got recommended some anime cat girl you would be pissed too.
>This doesn't happen.
As someone who used to read Japanese lit before Bungou Stray Dogs blew up, it absolutely does.

No. 2319695

>>2319629
I cant look away because the retards literally tag it as lost media so it appears in my feed anyways.

No. 2319811

>>2319528
Probably nothing significant. Juby empathized that Genice was the younger one and looked up to her in the friendship so she was likely inspired to make her own ocs based off a mentor figure she looked up to. Juby likely chimped out because genice is more successful in the field and couldve gotten significant attention on a project based off her own. It should be noted that genice has posted nothing about Eden's gate and every allegation regarding plagiarism is on Juby's word (that shes still currently seething about despite it being weeks kek)

No. 2319967

>>2319811
i assume that all the eden’s gate stuff happened off screen in their private chat groups or discord calls where they exchange their main method of communication

No. 2319992

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>>2319565
It sounds like a vendetta because Genice makes your average milquetoast quirky fandom merchandise that everyone makes nowadays, so unless its blatant tracing I feel like Jubys only mad because shes "concept stealing" again like she did with her ocs. it seems like juby is running out of things to pin blame onto Genice so shes currently targeting her cash cow which is merchandise products.

No. 2320004

>>2319967
In one of her november streams I think, Juby said Genice was posting about Eden's Gate in her private twitter acc

No. 2320144

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I just think it’s kinda funny that she cross posts the same whiny bullshit on more than one platform, picrel from her Bluesky.

No. 2320481

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“I hate drama and try to avoid it at al costs”

No. 2320529

>>2320481
Lol rianbow privated her insta

No. 2320621

I hate drama and I try to avoid it all costs but yet you go stream on twitch and do nothing but bitch about a former friend and talk shit about her to your cronie followers, amazing

No. 2320763

>>2320621
Translation: she just wants to engage in drama where she knows she'll come out on top. She can't cope with the idea of being refuted kek

No. 2320777

>>2320763
Samefag but I just saw she went live on twitch to talk about the rianbow situation with evidence
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2334789287
She's calling rianbow a sociopath too, the same way she is with genice. At this point I feel like that's just a meaningless buzzword with her to identity anybody she doesn't like. It sucks it was traced but that doesn't mean this person lacks normal human emotions and is incapable of remorse.

No. 2320969

Just a comment from someone saying they're gonna make a lora off my art and is it bad if I'm morbidly curious what that would look like?

No. 2321031

>>2320777
She called the rainbow girl a bimbo at some point kek. That girl was shamelessly tracing, that's true, but I feel Juby is just using the situation to vent other frustrations. She never showed any evidence on genice.

No. 2321091

>>2321031
bimbo? now she's just being misogynic too kek. probably jealous of her because i saw her selfies and she's pretty

No. 2321108

Are ohuhu markers REALLY the same quality as copics? Because I watched videos online and seen drawings made with ohuhu and they don't seem to have that smooth feeling copics give

No. 2321114

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coomers mad

No. 2321127

>>2321114
The idea of the fucking monkey wrench guy drawing porn makes me feel like someone's just walked over my grave. His art style is repulsive.

No. 2321128

>>2321114
I will never understand why Vivzie gets so much hate when these motherfucking moids exist.

No. 2321160

>>2321128
There was a great video on this subject by Sarah z–though if you're not a fan of her politics, it's mostly because the left expects higher from the marginalized than they do the privileged. Since Vizie is a bisexual Hispanic women, she has more to her plate than a straight white man will, hence the callout post, threats of violence, and rumors of doxxing all over a few slip ups in her work. She's never given the room to breathe because somehow a woman making a self-indulgent piece of fiction is enough to get her on some zoomie kid's shitlist. You can say a lot about her stuff but I can't help but admire her not bending down to cancel culture like her other peers.

No. 2321161

>>2321160
She gets so much hate from the same crowd that applauds coomer japanese moids like the author of csm and MHA, that's what pisses me off. She also gets hate for being a fujo but never for being a hime, despite Hazbin having a lesbian couple as main characters. It's so weird to me, meanwhile the tranny clown guy can get away with having a Dahmer head drilling fetish.

No. 2321163

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I think this is so cute. Her show would be peak if it wasn’t tif shit. I feel like her show wanting to be so women-centric is defeated with her oc trooning out. (Apologies if this should go in a fandom thread or something.)

No. 2321170

>>2321160
Yeah it is the woke logic straight white man = bad, so they can say and do anything as that is expected of them. And then everyone kisses their ass if they do something remotely better like stop drawing nasty torture porn. Women are expected to obey the rules of what is acceptable, especially if they also have some minority status.

No. 2321172

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>>2321163
whats cute about this? looks boring as fuck. Same generic stiff pose, same generic body type, same fashion everytime. Every woman she draws looks like timmy's mom.

No. 2321174

>>2321163
We’ve been talking about her here a lot, don’t worry about it. About your point, I agree. My biggest problem is the troonery surrounding it (the male character is somehow still ftm lmfao) but I think Brujo really regrets it deep down because of how she’s now trying to push how it’s okay to call Kate a she/her IIRC. If that character is supposed to be Romanian or whatever, something tells me she’ll get hounded by keyboard warriors for cultural appropriation/her portrayal lol.

No. 2321176

>>2321161
People can say what they want about Charlie and Vaggie's relationship being boring (which I agree with) but it's still portrayed as healthier and more grounded than HB's gay melodrama kek. If the circus tranny can openly have a head drilling fetish, then Vivzie can as many retarded fujo passion projects as she wants for all I care.

No. 2321178

>>2321172
I guess I was talking about the concept; of having her character look up to this version of Mary (Mother of Jesus) since that is a prominent thing in Mexican culture. I just think it kind of falls short since the character eventually troons out.

No. 2321184

>>2321176
I bet if she potrayed Charlie and Vaggie's relationship with any flaw or toxicity they would call her a misogynistic fujo who clearly hates women and lesbians for potraying them as toxic and not wholesome blushy underage girls like in thier yuri animu. Yuritroons already tried to cancel her for calling the lesbian character Vaggie.
>>2321178
I am not christian but it feels blasphemous to draw a slutty virgin Mary

No. 2321247

>>2321184
Didn't she previously take down a drawing of Kate in a slutty nun outfit because people complained about blasphemy kek

No. 2321251

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>>2321163
I also think some of her stuff is suuuper cute, picrel is really adorable imo, but I feel so conflicted because the TIF nlog shit she pushes onto her characters is so cancerous. But simultaneously, if I squint my eyes, kind of based? Like, she obsesses over these characters who are female??? Even if the female one is a TIF I think it’s ironic that all of her art is depicting females in some sort of way but then is like these are my he/him boiz.

It’s extra funny that these characters amalgamated from her yaoi art, which even then, her kakyoin was female and was the center of the jotaros affection (?). She drew kak the most and always depicted her as super pretty and adored by the other yaoi dude. Almost like the jotaro was her avatar to unabashedly glaze the female kakyoin OC. Idk. There’s something based there but I’m too retard to put it into words. Or maybe I’m just schizophrenic

No. 2321306

>>2321163
>>2321251
>nonas unironically liking this shit
this is why I don't take anyone's opinions here seriously. some of you clearly don't draw and clearly don't have taste. go watch total drama or the fairy odd parents if you love this shit so much. >>2321172 is the only one who gets it.

No. 2321310

>>2321251
I get you Nonna lmao. I feel like Ari is so close to being based sometimes but the gendie shit gets in the way.

No. 2321321

>>2321306
Eh she’s certainly not my favorite artist but I can say some of her stuff is cute, ignoring the troon shit. It’s cute in a Barbie or bratz doll sort of way to me.

No. 2321323

>>2321306
>>2321321
I don't think she's awful or anything, but to me her style basically just looks like "yassified Daria" kek

No. 2321339

>>2321323
I honestly like yassified Daria tbh and agree with >>2321251 in thinking it could be somehow based without the TIF shit (or maybe I'm schizophrenic too)

No. 2321393

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>>2321306
nona…

No. 2321410

>>2321251
I get what you're trying to say, you can see in her art that she enjoys being female to a certain extent and leans towards femininity, which just makes the TIF stuff even more bewildering kek. I think the emphasis on Kate is influenced by the "I desire being desired" mentality, but hey, it's her art. I just find the artist so contradictory it's almost fascinating.

No. 2321416

>>2321108
not really, no. They struggle to blend properly, even on expensive paper. The closest thing in quality is winsor and newton markers

No. 2321465

>>2321160
>Since Vizie is a bisexual Hispanic women
She's white

No. 2321540

>>2321465
Even if her family is Latino the fact they paid for her to go to 100k a year calarts revokes any Latino card she has lmao

No. 2321559

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>>2321540
Same-fag but I got it messed up- she went to SVA 2010-2014 which is also a private nepo baby school. Paying 200k for an education (that you could get for less at a non private) is sacrilegious to my people and we do not claim her.

No. 2321585

>>2321540
>Even if her family is Latino
Just because her family had money doesn't mean shes not latino anymore kekkk,are you implying only poor Latinos count?

No. 2321609

>>2321465
Hispanic isn't a race, it's about culture and language (which Hispanic Latinos inherited from the Spanish, who are largely white since they are in Europe)
There are white people who were born and raised in Latin America, that doesn't suddenly erase their European genes

No. 2321621

>>2321465
>she’s hispanic
>she’s white
it’s almost as if it is possible to be both

No. 2321629

>>2321540
>parents paid for her to go to 100k a year calarts revokes any Latino card she has
why are latinas dragging themselves like this??

No. 2321638

>>2321540
This is giving me flashbacks to one Tumblr post I read which was like "ALL THE MEXICANS ON THIS SITE ARE FAKE BECAUSE REAL ONES CAN'T AFFORD COMPUTERS" kek

No. 2321650

>>2321629
I think that anon is confused about American Latinos/Chicanos and their culture being very different from ours. Woke Latinos in the USA often virtue signal a lot about being of Latin American descent and in touch with Latin America and it comes across as fake and shallow esp. when they show that they don't know what they're talking about. But there are also Latin Americans who refuse to accept these people as Latinos at all because they're so clearly Americanized and raised in a different context so they reject them out of spite. Even though it's normal for people to pay that much for college in the US, it's unfathomable for the average person in Latin America, but that doesn't mean you stop being Latino if you go to the US and are able to afford American college kek

No. 2321662


No. 2321675

>>2318555
Heikala. I admire her traditional skills, but she has a big same face/character syndrome.

No. 2321774

>>2321161
idgaf about her being a fujo, I think women receive too much hate for daring to express their sexual fantasies, but I DO care about her actively attempting to get her employees blacklisted because they attempted to try and find more work besides just her show.

No. 2321792

>>2321650
Unless someone has actually spent a significant amount of time in the country their parents immigrated from, I generally disregard woke type statements from people like that as it does come off extremely virtue signally and like they're just trying to get up on the lefty social ladder in the same way white queer people use their queerness to do. Do they experience certain disadvantages? Yes. A lot of people really fucking hate latin americans in this country so I don't doubt they experience some bad racism, but if you talk like an American and have the WEALTH to back it up, you can't talk like you know what it's like to be in those third world shitholes. There's enough "daddy is a nice guy and gave me everything but he was never there so i'm sad" in her shows to be able to understand what her REAL trauma is. I feel like a bad person speculating on someone's personal experiences based on their work, but I swear to fucking god, it's all she knows how to write in terms of conflict, either that or relationship issues.

No. 2321832

I'm looking for a small, cheap pen tablet with pen-tilt function, any recommendations? It has to be small because I don't have a lot of space. I'd also prefer if it wasn't Huion because the last two huion tablets I purchased didn't have working tilt despite both models advertising that they did. Also willing to budge on the cheapness if it's a tablet that'll last longer than 5 and half years (that's how long my last cheapo huion functioned before it croaked)

No. 2321840

>>2321251
>But simultaneously, if I squint my eyes, kind of based? Like, she obsesses over these characters who are female???
how is that based? there are 3 million artits who draw coomer fanart of their female donut steels, habe you never heard of vtubers?. Its not based to draw your TIF nlog self insert mary sue. Maybe if kate had a personality besides being an nlog and she drew interesting women and not the same thicc sexualized woman, her stuff is like western anime slop to me.

No. 2321881

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>>2318555
Kek I liked tamakids art at first but tbh all her characters look the same. And even worse she makes them all look like her. It’s so off putting.

No. 2321904

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Youtube artists who go "child pornography bad" over and over until they get an audience are eventually going to be eaten alive by it the second they step out of line. This person in particular clearly has the maturity to give nuanced takes but seems to backpedal hard instantly, even if the subject they're discussing is a 16 year old grooming and/or rape victim who is displaying clear signs of traumatized behavior. Mfer acting like Emily Youcis in present day is more sympathetic than literal teens trying to make sense of the world and torment they were put through.

No. 2321933

>>2321128
>>2321161
i may not like vivzie's work or even some aspects of her as a person, but i'll always have some respect for her for sticking with her demon yaois until she could make them a reality. tadc criticism is also rare and given a free pass when it's really no different from youtube kids brainrot slop, both are calculated to hit every algorithm checkbox.

No. 2321937

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>>2321127
eh, I can see it

No. 2321938

>>2321904
ironic weebs just finding out hatsune miku was made to be fetish material always make me laugh, i dont know how they can like anime and not realize that

No. 2321946

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>>2321251
Her art is very cute, but there really is no substance to it. Most of it is either about how pretty Not!Kakyoin is or "transgender yaoi". These characters would be more interesting if there was less focus on the gendershit.

>>2318590
FWIW I honestly still like her newer art, but her weird tradwife femboy tranny mom character is the worst. She's built like a fucking shake weight.

No. 2321966

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>>2321251
I agree her art is pretty cute even if it's very derivative. The nlog shit then pandering to coomers just makes me sad but that seems to be the trend for a lot of artists.

No. 2321968

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I feel like I have studied anatomy, posing, and colors good enough where I feel like I can start making more dynamic art pieces like picrel. But I feel like this amount of studying has effectively trapped myself into staying safe and sticking to only doing studies, when I really want to be pursuing more advanced illustrations. Is there anyone here with advice on how to escape this? I also feel like art has felt a lot less fun because of this.

No. 2321971

>>2321966
What's the point of pandering to coomers and drawing porn of adult Kate if she's just going to chop her tits off when she's older and less curvy anyways? Is it just for the dopamine hit she gets when scrotes give her oc attention? If she's so enamored with normie woman Kate, why won't she just let her be a woman?

No. 2322006

>>2321971
she needs kate to have her boobs while she's young because otherwise she wouldn't be desirable, and when she stops being young and desirable it doesn't matter as much. older women are probably a separate worthless category in her eyes, this way she gets to have both her hot feminine oc and her gendie storyline, win win!

No. 2322011

>>2322006
I think she’s just too emotionally attached to Kate to spin off new OCs so every idea she gets ends up lumped into Kate’s story. Apparently the trans shit is supposed to be done and dealt with by the time her cartoon’s story starts implying she’s not actually interested in dealing with trans topics within her show. All that stuff happens before it starts or after it ends. Kind of makes me think she started changing her mind on the trans stuff but can’t walk it back easily. I’ll try to find the /co/ thread where this was discussed in more depth.

No. 2322044

>>2322011
nayrt she has autism and is autistic about her kakyoin oc kek

No. 2322091

>>2321251
agree with other anon, stlye is ugly as hell

No. 2322102

>>2322091
I think the parts I dislike about her style the most is the y2k wannabe shit and proportion. I like her color, line work, and the way she makes folds on clothing. Since she's so mentally behind I do see her coming to her senses and becoming a much better person (and artist) in the future.

No. 2322103

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>>2321251
I don't really like her ones with the guy i liked that pic of Kate shipped with mary I find her just generic y2k styled pics of Kate the cutest like pic rel

No. 2322104

>>2322103
These are cute. The long legs remind me of fashion dolls. I wouldn't mind seeing a dress up game in this style

No. 2322107

>>2322044
>she has autism
she doesnt have autism, retard

No. 2322111

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>>2322091
Based kek, I hate how her popularity led to so much copycats, it’s all just zoomers trying to crappily imitate another zoomer’s coomerfied pastiche of daria x mtv downtown. They(and Brujoari) look more like people with Total Drama nostalgia than Daria nostalgia kek, what with the body types they give the girls.

No. 2322114

>>2322111
I'm glad zoomers have found a more attractive art style to ape compared to shit like Steven Universe, but it's such a shame that this is what they choose to draw. I have a feeling that they're incapable of treating their female ocs like actual humans because of the retarded bimbo and y2k heroin chic revival that popped up around the same time this style did. It's like they were all collectively brainwashed into seeing women as nothing more than pretty props despite being women themselves.

No. 2322115

>>2321540
How did anons misinterpret this post so badly

No. 2322119

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>>2322111
Brujo Ari's designs are so ass. Its all the same copy pasted thicc girl in lowrise jeans and croptops. I have seen Daria background characters that blow her shitty mary sue oc's design out the water.

No. 2322127

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>>2322119
Even Daria and Jane look more interesting because they weren't restricted to dressing like Quinn all the time. They want their characters to feel unique, but they put no real effort into actually making them feel different. Kate's supposed to be a bit of an outcast, but nothing really separates her from the popular girls outside of her wearing baggy jeans.

No. 2322129

>>2321629
>>2321650
>>2321792
a one sentence joke is definitely not "virtue signally" or climbing on the "lefty social ladder" holy shit you guys typing angry paragraphs about Woke over a joke post look so dumb.

No. 2322149

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>>2322111
Maybe I’m being kooky but the one in the red shirt looks so much like one of of this artist’s ocs,I’m a little suspicious

No. 2322152

>>2322149
NYART but who?

No. 2322160

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>>2322111
you can see how the brujoari inspiration hit like a truck in real time, these are just next to each other in her insta lmao. i wonder how brujoari herself feels.

No. 2322165

>>2322160
God, this is so blatant. Anyways, I remember her saying that she wished people would stop copying her style, but I assume that post was taken down.

No. 2322176

>>2322149
I hate this artist so much, her work is so stiff and hideous
>>2322152
Dickishly, pickme coomer artist

No. 2322185

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>>2322176
>look at her media tab
>all of her art is of her scrawny gross rapist moid oc fucking her curvy brown self-insert
How is she not embarrassed.

No. 2322188

>>2322185
Women like this are so cringe to me. The only self inserter i respect is that one farmer who's into hyper roided men.

No. 2322195

>>2322149
Is that the artist who makes that ranfren porn?

No. 2322196

File: 1735284191652.jpg (327.49 KB, 1170x739, berserk.jpg)

>>2322185
I thought that was Casca fanart at first, turns out the artist was a berserk fan. Unsurprisingly she’s drawn mouthwashing fanart of Anya and the moid who raped her too

No. 2322210

>>2322127
I think it's because she didn't grow up in that era so her familiarity with the fashion is limited to interpretations, not personal memory. What she encounters on tiktok or shein is obviously not gonna be authentic.

No. 2322215

>>2322149
>>2322185
Her moid OC is pretty hot ngl

No. 2322216

>>2322215
He looks like a child molester

No. 2322218

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This is one of the few female artists I've seen online in the wild that has had such a blatant disregard for gendie etiquette, though it's also probably because this artist is Russian. I find the roundabout reasoning for not having pronouns in bio and 'I don't identify as female, I am' stuff pretty funny and also inspiring since she's not ignoring people but directly responding (though her comment section is pretty supportive). Have you nonnies seen any other female artists act this way on social media?

No. 2322220

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>>2322215
He reminds me of Jeff the killer

No. 2322224

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>>2322196
>that tweet
>spoilered text
why are pickmes like this

No. 2322225

>>2322218
Knew there was a reason I liked her

No. 2322232

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>>2322224
>>2322176
>pickme
Is she really

No. 2322233

File: 1735289462828.jpg (Spoiler Image,1.12 MB, 1170x980, hentaihoodielibrarysex.jpg)

>>2322215
Maybe if you have a humiliation fetish, he’s clearly for that audience of girls who get off on the shame and depravity of being fucked by a revolting perverted loser moid

No. 2322237

>>2322232
>sexualizing women like a coomer moid despite being straight
yeah, she is. Gross, i hate when women larp as lesbians, they honestly sound like sex pests.

No. 2322239

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>>2322149
>>2322185
>>2322196
>>2322232
>>2322233
wait WHAT?! You mean to tell me that this WAS NEVER a tranny and was/is a WOMAN the whole time?! Holy SHIT.

No. 2322240

>>2321832
I'm using an XP-Pen, granted it's a large screen one but the brand seems pretty alright and it's affordable (I also chose XP-Pen because it supports Linux).
I've tried Huion and couldn't get it to work at all, but I've had less issues with my XP-Pen than Huion or even Wacom.
Maybe you could also look at second hand listings if you want to spend even less money.

No. 2322241

>>2322237
How do you know she's not bi though. She seems to retweet hentai of women a lot and draws her female OC just as detailed as the male OC

No. 2322243

File: 1735290498706.jpg (Spoiler Image,905.98 KB, 1170x1850, edge.jpg)

>>2322232
That’s the most bihet lipservice tweet ever kek
>women who draw yaoi hot af
>need me some fujo pussy
And all she draws is bimbo girls getting raped by ugly guys

>>2322239
I think she’s a tif, judging by her strawpage picrel

No. 2322246

>>2321160
this is all walking in circles to not talk about the crabs in a bucket mentality young women have about other women. To see eachother as competition instead of uplifting eachother. Women are always pushed to be more "socially conscious" and stand under the pressure of criticism

No. 2322251

>>2322241
nta but that would still be gross and she'd still be a pickme. I doubt it though, it's not uncommon at all for straight pickmes to sexualize women.

No. 2322256

>>2322241
I doubt she's bi, she's like every other bihet coomer pickme who objectify women because they are pornsick and crave male validation. The fact she self inserts as her bimbo oc and wants to fuck an ugly incel guy proves it.

No. 2322277

>>2322233
You're telling me this isn't some kind of modern weeb au of guts and casca?

No. 2322309

>>2322233
for some reason they remind me of batman and catwoman from that 2022 movie kek

No. 2322322

>>2322233
What's going on with his hand

No. 2322327

>>2322322
Kekk Nonna this made me laugh. I think he’s pulling up his hoodie. It does look like a little nub

No. 2322328

>>2322322
at first I thought it was a hole in his hoodie and was wondering what was up with his chest

No. 2322370

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>>2322309
Funny you say that because she drew porn of them too

No. 2322379

>>2322370
His eyes are so creepy. I like art of creepy moids sometimes but this is just weird. The way she renders is kind of nice but makes her art like really uncanny and creepy

No. 2322388

Artists who post thirst traps of themselves always have the most mediocre art. Same for artists that do more content where they show their face and talk about business and how to make more money.

No. 2322411

>>2322370
The way she draws faces reminds me of Stamper's art.

No. 2322419

>>2322370
looks like she draws for that episode mobile game

No. 2322432

>>2322218
Im so attracted to Jester Pepita It’s not even funny. I wish I could make a move but I’m gay fat and retarded.

No. 2322435

>>2322243
she could choose any male name she wanted and she chose "penis"?
>>2322370
reminds me of shadman

No. 2322437

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Saying all this while the ugly fuck’s girlfriend >>2322185 looks like a bimbofied abomination lmao

No. 2322439

>>2322432
I believe in you nona

No. 2322441

>>2322232
this is just like when women post "gorgeous gorgeous girls love going to the grocery store" while at the grocery store. it's a straight girl self-compliment, not gay girl horniness.

No. 2322443

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>>2322437
>it'd be cute to make a guy who is ugly and disgusting but lowkey fuckable and kinda hot but a registered sex offender but he has a fat dick so-
repulsive, also what's with these degens showing their weird porn to their parents? first fanny now her

No. 2322447

>>2322443
I doubt they actually do (or at least I hope not) I think it's just a common attention whore artist tactic.

No. 2322449

>>2322437
I hate the rambly, tryhard way attention whores type when they're trying to seem unbothered.

No. 2322719

>>2322435
Dick is short for Richard and that’s the name of her shady self insert/husbando oc,it seems pretty purposeful.
also didn’t expect so many people to talk about her after my initial post oops aha

No. 2322774

>>2321938
>hatsune miku was made to be fetish material
Wait what? I'm no anime expert but this is news to me

No. 2322779

>>2322774
Nona's just exaggerating. She probably meant that Hatsune Miku (alongside all other VOCALOIDs) was created as a blank canvas that you could shape into whatever character you wanted, including fetish material and other bullshit. Miku's just a voice and her age is relative.

No. 2322784

>>2321904
Googled this and got results from tiktok children and scrotes whining about how oppressed they are by the h8erz for liking a song about a loli making retarded faces

No. 2322785

>>2322774
Miku is just a mascot character, a blank thing to project onto. She was made to accompany a voice synth therefore it's up to artists to interpret her however they want.

No. 2322837

>>2322370
I have been looking at this image in awe with how horrendous the anatomy is. Seeing artists with horrible fundamentals still get attention because of their rendermaxxing makes me realize that studying anatomy was a mistake.

No. 2322885

>>2322437
>guy who is ugly
>and disguising
>lowkey fuckable
>kinda hot
>registered sex offender
>but
I wonder if people every go back and re-read the things they write before they press post. This is an extremely specific fetish that I don't understand, but I can only imagine originated from some childhood trauma.

No. 2322981

>>2322885
It could also be from being terminally online and having a severe porn addiction (which tbh should could as a form of trauma in women imo)

No. 2323001

>>2322233
She reminds me of that artist who draws herself or her OC's being raped by serial killers or school shooters. Maybe it's the same person
Her ugly moid OC is very ugly in this pic, but not in the way she thinks kekkk

No. 2323004

>>2321968
Had a similar problem, just draw the Thing and trust yourself. Take your own reference photos when you're really lost in the sauce.

Found I was forgetting how to draw out of my head when all I did was study.

No. 2323114

>>2322370
Her art is so fucking hideous.

No. 2323127

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>>2322774
she has official figures that look like pic rel anon. I dont know why western weebs shit their pants over moids sexualizing miku when shes sexualized officially pretty often.

No. 2323132

>>2322370
"Wow, this guy wants to take me back to his lair! I should…"
>Tase him and run away screaming (50 gems)
>Wait for him to make a move
>Tie myself up and gag myself and then jump in his car

No. 2323140

>>2322774
are you new to vocaloid anon? any person who has been somewhat "into" vocaloid all the way from the 2010s is already well familiar with how they have always been used for all sorts of fetish and or coomer content and nobody bat an eye. miku and luka were for regular coom, rin and len were for loli/shota incest garbage, and so on. people are freaking out about that mesugaki miku or the rabbit hole miku when they're if anything fairly innocent compared to how in the 10s you had songs like "glad you're a lolicon" which is literally miku singing about how she's happy her master is a pedo because then he'll love her because she looks like a child. that song was extremely popular at the time, nobody batted an eye.

No. 2323145

>>2323127
Aren't most Vocaloid song creators male as well?

No. 2323148

>>2323140
Remember when Shota Shota Island was a meme in the Vocaloid fandom kek

No. 2323152

>>2323145
Yes most are male. I'm not sure what the current scene is like but I'm pretty sure things haven't changed too much. Most seem to be the most generic brand of NEET male too considering the ungodly amount of songs about Miku wanting her "master's" love and attention or approval, or really bringing home the fact that they "own" Miku since they own her voicebank CD which fits right into a series of fucked up moid bullshit fetishes.

No. 2323159

>>2323140
dont forget about Kaai Yuki and Hiyama Kiyoteru, a student-teacher duo that were obviously released for lolicons.

No. 2323240

>>2323159
I can't believe I just noticed this. That's so fucking disgusting

No. 2323333

>>2323140
Wasn't there a Vocaloid that was obsessed with shotas/Len? And that was one of her character gimmicks?

No. 2323336

>>2323333
i think the one you're talking about is sukone tei, whose gimmicks were that she was yandere, obsessed with len and that she openly masturbated with cucumbers all while being a highschool girl of course. but sukone tei is a vipperloid like kasane teto. aka even more moid shit than the regular moid shit.

No. 2323555

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>like stupidly detailed art
>struggle to focus on a piece for too long without getting frustrated
Anyone else has this problem? I envy giga autists like hamster fragment so much.

No. 2323567

>>2323555
You don't have to finish a drawing in one sitting. My brain can't draw for longer than 30mins before everything starts to blur, so I just leave it for the next day (I for a bad habit of dropping piecea though kek but sometimes I get back to them weeks later) or resume after some hours with a fresh mind. Each drawing takes me a handful short sessions.

No. 2323628

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Anyone use/heard of this rednote app? It's basically just Chinese pinterest. Apparently there are a lot of good art tutorials on there?

No. 2323630

Anyone else kinda tired of digital art and they want to go on a more traditional route? These past 10 yrs I've been doing only digital and avoided traditional like the plague but lately I'm starting to really miss the feeling of painting with brushes…

No. 2323632

>>2323628
i want to check it but i dont want to make an account on chinese shit

No. 2323639

>>2323628
I checked it out on rednote. To get the good stuff you have to search in chinese, I just used Google translate to search "art tutorial." It's good but not life-changing deep web never seen before secrets, which you'd think based on how some people treat it. I think you could just find a lot of it in a loomis book or on regular old pinterest. But maybe just haven't used it enough to uncover the real gold.

No. 2323989

File: 1735414995658.jpg (32.58 KB, 635x680, GPp3ibLWIAANCbZ.jpg)

How does one fall in love with art again? I've been taking breaks from drawing in hopes that I'll feel more ready but every time I pick up my tablet I feel nothing but disappointment with every minor mistakes I make. I want to finally get to the second level of my art but it seems like I don't want to do it to begin with.

>>2319370
Doing things IRL in terms of constructive criticism is always a good bet. Maybe try finding local groups in your area. Though I do think Discord (if you're careful enough to choose one that isn't insane) would be a good alternative.

No. 2324009

>>2323628
Two questions: does it send all my info directly to the CCP and can you filter AI slop out

No. 2324030

>>2323555
Haven't seen this artists work in a while, nice to see him drawing something that's not a suicide attempt.

No. 2324206

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How do I start learning how to draw vehicles?
I understand the theory but I can't break down volumes and proportions and I'd need some guidance.

No. 2324211

>>2323159
i feel gross that people have made sexual songs using yuki when she was voiced by a real life kid…

No. 2324301

Why does this guy's style look so much like AIshit?

No. 2324311

>>2324301
Because ai anime shit is mainly trained off of sameface moeslop.

No. 2324320

>>2324206
Start with Drawabox exercises to get your mind in the right place to think about the planes of the vehicle. Break it down into simple shapes, if you can, do lots of studies, experiment with different shading techniques to get the volume and texture across more accurately.
Watching videos on how they work could help, it helped me a lot when I was drawing motorbikes and it might help you if you want to draw something like your picrel since it'd give you a better idea of the components and how they fit together, how much space it'd take up, etc.
>>2323989
It sounds like you're afraid of disappointing yourself when you don't meet your own high standards. You could take a break from doing finished pieces and stick to simple exercises that you know won't look good but will still help you improve. If you work digitally, definitely stick to traditional art for a while, just so you're not tempted to undo your work constantly. Get a sketchbook and copy something without looking at the page, or without lifting your pencil, or cut paper into simple shapes like squares and circles and glue them into your sketchbook to copy paintings you like. You'll improve your brain/hand coordination and learn to simplify shapes without getting lost in the details. Once you've become more comfortable with actually doing art, you'll start to enjoy it again.

No. 2324321

>>2324211
Holy fuck there needs to be a law against letting children voice for that kind of shit
>>2324301
Colors are slightly muted, extremely smooth brush strokes, and the faces, I think, particularly make it look like that, as there's no hint of expressiveness in it at all, just a blank stare.

No. 2324328

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>>2324301
I mean AI literally steals anime art, I'm not sure what you are expecting. They trained the AI off of other people's art, of course some Artists would resemble the AI. Lines is decent enough. His post processing video was a nice little nugget of info with regards to controlling values and colors of shading.

No. 2324335

wake up nonas /ourgirl/ is streaming right now! https://m.twitch.tv/jubyart?desktop-redirect=true

No. 2324336

>>2324335
>joins stream
>I've known Genice, the psychopath since-
>closes stream
I already know its going to be another six hour of schizo babble, when will this blow up in her face and get her canned already

No. 2324338

>>2324336
kek same, i joined and no joke she was already saying “my last friend was a narcissistic high sociopath” or something and left
might listen to the broadcast on x2 speed later

No. 2324340

>>2324336
She honestly might be becoming a genuine cow at this point with how much and how often she's tweaking and self victimizing kek

No. 2324344

>>2324336
You guys should make a thread for her

No. 2324374

>>2324344
If I was adept at summarizing and making one I would, but Im worried if an art cow would still remain up if their behavior isnt horrorcow levels like fanny

No. 2324381

>>2324374
I mean she's pretty famous and has been involved in drama before so I wonder if any nonnies would see the thread and divulge shit they know

No. 2324383

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>GENICE IS A NARCISSISTIC, SOCIOPATHIC, PSYCHOPATHIC, ABUSIVE, ABELEIST, EVIL, SOULLESS GHOUL WHO ABUSED AND BOOLIED ME AND KILLED MY DOG REEE

No. 2324386

>>2323132
KEKK underrated comment

No. 2324394

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>>2323132
KEKKKK Thank you so much for saying this, I couldn't put my finger on what the stiffness of her art reminded me of

No. 2324397

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>>2324383
turned it into a gif

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No. 2324405

>>2324383
woah did you draw this? nice work kek

No. 2324417

>>2324397
kek fucking saved

No. 2324433

>>2324344
She's not milky enough. It's probably going to be the same thing repeated over and over. Most artcows are like this.

No. 2324517

>>2324397
if she ever becomes milky enough to warrant a thread, please make this the threadpic KEK

No. 2324520

>>2324433
I mean even if the thread falls flat it would be nice to have an archive of her past behaviour in an organized place so people know what they're getting into when they work/associate with Juby. shes a PR nightmare in a professional setting since iirc she publicly sperged about her contract with marvel on her main account. Maybe its about time we brought a resurgence to Art Cow General on snow?

No. 2324540

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>>2324030
He draws a lot of wifufag stuff on his alt.

No. 2324568

>>2324540
>kemono friends
>military uniform
This is a troon isn't it

No. 2324571

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>>2324568
No, he's japanese. Also, its a pajama not an uniform.

No. 2324578

>>2324540
>>2324568
>>2324571
The boobs look like troob moobs and weirdly detailed, disturbing

No. 2324583

>>2324578
His autism is truly baffling to me, he will draw his waifu in these intricate detailed post apocalyptic scenarios with hyper detailed backgrounds and always with her nips erected, but so far he has never drawn outright porn of her. The mind of coomer men is so fascinating.

No. 2324591

>>2324571
Ntayrt but i've seen a lot of asian artists calling themselves trans, especially korean ones

No. 2324593

>>2324591
Sure, but its waaaay less likely. He also has a male self insert and has posted pics of himself. He's just a moid.

No. 2324598

>>2323628
I've used it but don't go on there often. blacksister666 has some nice shading step by step processes, but you could find something similar elsewhere. I just like going on chinese art communities sometimes because it feels very different to me in terms of the way people tend to draw.

No. 2324610

>>2324583
He? Then how come Redditors are calling them "she"? Are they a tranny?

No. 2324621

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>>2324610
eh? you mean serval? or the artist? the artist is a man and i am sure he never implied otherwise

No. 2324625

>>2324593
>asians way less likely to be trans
Anon these fuckers CREATED anime, aka the thing that makes people troon out more than anything, I don't really think that's true, they're just more private online than us

No. 2324630

>>2324625
Its not anime that makes people troon out. Moids troon out because they are misogynists and like to attention whore and cause harm to women. People in japan hate standing out and annoying others so they dont troon out as much. Japan is less retarded about sex and gender too, crossdressing or effeminate men in boy bands arent uncommon. Its just that westoid scrotes are insecure as fuck.

No. 2324636

>>2324625
Why don't japanese men troon out en mass then decades before westoids did?

No. 2324644

>>2324630
>>2324636
They still want to, it's just that they want to be able to do it perfectly. There's a lot of autobio troon manga, it's just the culture is different. Japan has a long history with crossdressing men just in general, which is ultimately also rooted in misogyny. Saying this isn't a thing in Japan is reminiscent of proshippers saying that Japan fandom is peaceful because people don't hate loli artists. It's only a perception based on what you see as an outsider.

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>>2324644
Wanting to troon out isnt the same as actually trooning out, stop moving the goalpost. If troons would just do what Eguchi Hisashi did and focus on drawing their girlsonas instead of actually trooning out we would live in a slightly better world.

No. 2324656

>>2324654
>stop moving the goalpost
People generally do things for themselves because they want to, anon.

No. 2324688

>>2324671
What's your source on saying they don't do it?

No. 2324759

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>>2324654
>no you dont understand my glorious nipponese artists cant be troons they only pretend to! Nevermind the troon bars and other okama shit
Also
>Girlsona
>as if he didnt draw a troonsona too where the moid is "prettier" than actual women
so a troon drawing weird fetish shit of women is alright unless he chops off his dick?

No. 2324760

>>2324759
You are really fucking dense. Ofcourse a moid who thinks about trooning out but doesnt do it is miles better than a troon that does troon out and gains access to female spaces. Okamas and crossdressers arent the same thing as troons either, they still identify as men.

No. 2324765

>>2324760
>is miles better
Just because the troon who is scared of his dick being cut off doesn't mean hes any different from the troon that has the rothole they both are the same and they both get off of abusing women's rights, you're literally using the argument that troons use called trutrans,also okama literally means a moid who larps as a woman you weeb faggot the nips artist arent some enlightened beings that don't troon out physically because they're such perfectionists it's because they still live in a highly conservative society

No. 2324772

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>>2324765
>you're literally using the argument that troons use called trutrans
Where did you even get that from my post jfc, learn to read.

No. 2324923

>>2324301
>Have someone be a "fan" of your artstyle
>Said "fan" throws your art into the AI blender so they can mass produce porn for free in your art style
>"Why does x style look like Aishit"
It is a mystery.

No. 2324943

>>2324625
>>2324636
>>2324644
Japan is much more strict about trans surgery.
It's illegal to go trans if you have children under the age of 18, and (until recently) anybody going through gender change would be have to be surgically sterilized first.

No. 2324979

>>2324301
well lots of people have already answered your question, I wanna know if this video (and his other videos) are any good

No. 2325057

>>2324760
Okama is a blanket term, please actually do research on cultures before speaking about them, it's a derogatory word to refer to any number of non stereotypically hetero conforming sexual behaviors men in Japan present. Japan just doesn't have as much flowery language as English. Japan only shows what they want to show to the world, they're ashamed of all their okama and people have to jump through hoops and certain publishers to get those stories out. We witnessed first hand how far they're willing to go to cover up shit they don't want the world to know, a la WW2 war crimes.

No. 2325100

>>2321881
oh no i love princess tutu but you're right the faces are so strange here

No. 2325221

>>2325100
Am I the only one who thinks all the faces look completely fine?

No. 2325338

>>2325221
Nayrt I feel like they are okay but look like… “yassified”?

No. 2325429

>>2325338
diff anon here, they look out of place on that type of art style. honestly the anatomy on that piece feels weirder than anything else

No. 2325433

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>>2321881
Does anyone else think this hair looks wack

No. 2325451

Has anyone here made a story, be it writing, visual novel, animated, webcomic, etc that got a fandom? I want to write something that would be like a dark lesbian drama, think Wuthering Heights, but imagining people calling the main couple AbYooSiVe and the arguments and the ToXic YuRi memes genuinely makes me not want to post it. I just hate online communities so much, they're so annoying and awful. Have you had success just uploading stories and never interacting with fans?

No. 2325458

>>2325451
The chances of it getting a fandom are very slim anon, you are competing with 3 billion yuri webtoons/manga/games. Dont worry about that, worry about actually writing your story first.

No. 2325487

anyone else grown to really hate people who only care about fanart, to the point where you never draw fanart anymore?
>used to draw mostly fanart
>routinely got follows and likes on my art
>following count going up gave me courage
>start posting oc art more
>it never even garners more than 40 likes compared to the thousands of likes my fanart got
>start realizing that most fandom people will never care for ocs, and my end goal is to be known for ocs and not fanart
>slowly stop drawing fanart
and i can’t even blame them because they followed me for fanart, can’t expect them to also like random ocs that no one knows about. but the real thing that pisses me off is that even when my art is 95% all oc now, i get randos who will go on liking sprees with my art but it’s all fanart, and you can tell they ignored all the oc art. makes me want to delete all my fanart posts tbh
now that i mainly post ocs, my likes are still low but at least they’re getting more consistent now because i don’t “catfish” people anymore, people still following me know why they’re here, etc

No. 2325493

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How do you deal with frustration while working on a project you know you dont have the art skills for? I am making a game, and it makes me frustrated to know i can't reach my vision because of my lack of skill. I know its all a matter of keeping practicing, but the lingering fear of never improving is terrifying. I try to take inspiration from Zun, One, Ryukishi and Yuzhong but not gonna lie, i feel like i cant get over the art not being good enough and feeling like it diminishes my overall efforts to make a good game.

No. 2325502

>>2325493
captainhowdie severely lacks fundies but is extremely popular worldwide atm, so long as you have good storytelling skills, it'll reach people. if you don't have good fundies, focus on drawing good expressions as a lot of the most popular memes are crudely drawn but wickedly expressive in a way that resonates with people. most consumers don't care that wildly about good art so long as it's still appealing and if you can draw expressive faces then that'll get you somewhere. years later, everyone still remembers that one tails get trolled face. chances are you know exactly what it is i'm talking about without having to post it.

No. 2325505

>>2325502
That actually makes a lot of sense, i tend to struggle a lot with expressions. Maybe its the tism.

No. 2325510

>>2325487
Try focusing on drawing comics instead of just regular art, people will pay more attention to your ocs, even if it's just small short comics. In fact, that might be better as it's easier to digest to most people. I can get several thousand likes on a picture of my oc acting stupid and relatable but sub 1k on just a static image.
>>2325451
Just be upfront about what type of audience you're creating content for, a lot of creators who got into shit for drawing dark fiction got an audience first by making art that seemed innocent and cutesy. While I do have a cutesy art style, my characters are always talking about shit like self harm and suicide and engaging in constant violence and things like rape and abuse are a consistent theme. I draw these things because I've faced a lot of abuse and mental health issues in my own life but teenagers online think they have a phd and have come to the conclusion that making fiction isn't a valid way to come to terms with your trauma. Now I wouldn't say I have a fandom since I'm still pretty early into creating this content, but I have many many thousands of followers and I get some people wondering if they can make OCs in my setting, so maybe I'll get there someday, but I digress. I do occasionally receive comments trying to label me a "problematic" creator but I just delete them and don't engage. I do, however, interact with people who are enjoying what I create as I feel extremely thankful that my work could reach other people, as it's extremely personal to me and comes from the heart. People will always be assholes, don't let them scare you out of self expression, as the majority of people will engage with your work positively unless you're literally creating ragebait.

No. 2325511

>>2325493
finish your game first so you can later remake it with better art when it's done
what's more important is you finish somnething rather than make it perfect right off the bat imo

No. 2325931

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>artist I followed over a year posts what I thought was cute lesbians trying on lingerie-
>looks closely

That's fucking it, starting 2025 I will no longer follow any troon or themby artist no matter what. I know it will reduce so much content but I am growing so tired.

No. 2325934

>>2325931
Are those supposed to be troons? The crotch is bit bulging but maybe she just drew it badly?

No. 2325935

>>2325934
I'm ngl if I don't shave my bush it bulges like that. Maybe she has her coat on.

No. 2325939

>>2325931
nonnie some women have thick pubic mons…

No. 2325940

>>2325931
Lmfao the fat one is so badly drawn. Looks like vore. How do you retards follow moeshit animu yuri artists then act surprised when they pander to their troon audience?

No. 2325943

>>2325931
Tbh it could just be a "fat" pussy. I see a lot of artists draw vaginas like that, and since the character is chubby it makes sense for it to have a thick mons pubis.

No. 2325947

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>>2325934
I thought the same until I saw the tags…

No. 2325952

>>2325947
>my gfs oc
So shes one of those handmaidens dating a troonbian and larping being anime yuri girls topkek. Actually, they might be both trannies considering "her" oc is built like a fat troon too.

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>>2325940
Doubleposting to pathetically defend myself

I unfortunately share too many interests with troons, even the more "normie" stuff is starting to get infiltrated so is either I forgo everything I love or don't let the entire existence of troons ruin stuff for me.

I'm just sad because I also enjoy her web dev stuff along with her art but I don't want to be jumpscared with sudden appearance of sick.

No. 2325972

>>2325953
Are you sure the artist is a woman?

No. 2325973

>>2325972
be for real, anon, no moid draws this way

No. 2325974

>>2325947
>ffxiv
Why are you surprised kek

No. 2325978

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No. 2325989

>>2325973
It's still just art. You can easily copy someone else's style which gives me doubts whether that artist is really a woman

No. 2326012

>>2325989
NTA, there are so confirmed female handmaidens that draw the exact same content that the chance of this being a woman is the same chances of me getting heads on a weighted coin.

No. 2326019

>>2325931
this isn't cute anyway unless you're a weird gendie tumblr/tiktok they/them.

No. 2326023

>>2325989
it’s hard to explain unless you’ve been in or lurked artist circles online for awhile tbh, but the artist draws coomer-y subjects in a non-pornographic way/the small details in the clothes, the tranny character is drawn with a small and soft dick - not even tims who do art draw their tranny characters like that. there’s this thing with tifs/nlogs who do art and creating realistic fat characters

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No. 2326039

have most of us here heard of artfight and even participated in it before?
i hate those popular artists that join artfight then barely draw any revenge for the attacks they get, like they only draw 2 revenge while getting over 40 attacks. it's such a scam event kek, they join because they get free art
they should have never joined in the first place if they're just going to do the bare minimum

No. 2326091

>>2325978
Gross. I used to follow her on neocities until I realized she sucks troon dick
>>2326039
Fuck artfight, I'm still mad that the nonnies that participated got banned

No. 2326097

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>>2325953
Oh you orbit xiv artists too, i completely understand your pain. I know I shouldnt be surprised since the game attracts trannies like flies but it sucks i have to follow eastern artist exclusively to have decent content without the gendie brainworms.
Theres some incredibly talented western xiv artists but even if they dont post tranny content themselves they follow or are acquainted with someone who does. its a cruel world

No. 2326099

>>2326039
Nonas are still sensitive to that topic, kek.

No. 2326100

>>2326091
>>2326099
what happened, looks like i missed something. i wasn't here during july when artfight was happening

No. 2326105

>>2326091
it was incredibly naïve and foolish to link personal social media accounts under a tag that associates to this site, TRAs and trannies lurk frequently to scope out targets after all, and artfight itself is overrun by trannies. Though I will say that it gave me an opportunity to follow more crypto/gc artists and I dont fault them for trying to participate in a fun art challenge for the sake of drawing without having to worry about gendie nonsense and PC bullshit. sucks that it went down the way it did but I hope it was fun for the short window nonas were able to participate

>>2326100
secret tag used by farmers was discovered by tumblr and all accounts under the tag were banned from the site.

No. 2326109

>>2326100
Long story short, some farmers wanted to join in and attack other farmers so created a specific tag, it was all going very well until some absolute cunt snitched and got everyone banned. Funnily enough no 4channers who were openly being racist in their respective artfight thread who were straight up linking their profiles got banned despite this being brought up to staff, but are we really surprised at that?

No. 2326112

>>2326099
Yeah because no 4chan tards were banned for being openly racist or homophobic themselves when they linked their AF profiles. Non-gendie women will always be the most evil thing apparently

No. 2326115

>>2326105
damn, every account? that's harsh, and i'm assuming the mod team didn't even bother investigating these accounts individually and just banned them for being associated with lc
>>2326107
>until some absolute cunt switched and got everyone banned
you mean the one who reported the tag to the team was also a farmer? so it was a backstab situation instead of some random troon from tumblr lurking these threads who reported it?
>4chan
funny you mention that because i did check on the artfight thread on /ic/ and yeah people were linking profiles too, guess that no tumblr troons care or thought about 4channers during artfight

No. 2326122

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>>2326115
There was a callout post on tumblr that brought light to the tag. keep in mind anyone can access the site and lurk on it, it doesnt necessarily make them farmers.

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No. 2326125

>>2326109
samefag, also while trying to work out who the snitch was anons started going through the accounts of sperging out about a random woman, which was a bit embarrassing.
>>2326115
Every account and ones who were posting mostly farmer attacks too. I think it was definitely a lurker to be honest.
>>2326112
Yeah, totally nice anons who were just playing the game going exactly by the rules are way worse than scrotes admitting to fucking up attacks on purpose.

No. 2326127

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>>2326123
>not proud of myself
ywnabam and the cult members you surround yourself with will eat you alive the moment they discover your identity and that you even stuck around within a 5 inch radius to an ebil terf site no matter what your excuse is.
I hope retards that namedrop the site get whats coming for them for being pretentious fucking buffoons

No. 2326130

>>2326039
Or maybe they just don't have the time to draw 40 revenges? Most people have jobs. Only neets and teens on summer break have that much free time. Anyway, from what I've seen, the big artists usually have a disclaimer to not attack them if you're expecting a revenge so if you do so anyway, that's on you.

>>2326115
>i'm assuming the mod team didn't even bother investigating these accounts individually
Of course they didn't. It was a blanket ban. Iirc, even accounts who removed the tag earlier in the month, before the callout, were banned.

No. 2326134

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>>2326127
slightly ot, but bringing up that tumblr reminds me of this and how most posts on there were whinging about retarded shit and how they're not getting tons of attacks in the first week so the event sucks and is unfair yada yada yada. Great community.

No. 2326138

>>2326130
i def don't expect anyone to draw 40 revenges but i was mainly thinking of these two artists who literally only drew 2 revenges. i saw other popular artists do at least 6 or 7 which is understandable, but god damn, 2? i'm being salty and wish they didn't join at all. they sure had the time to reply to every attack they got though kek

No. 2326151

>>2326105
It didn't stop at the accounts using the tags, I noticed others got banned too. Fuck Artfight and fuck the tranny lurkers who snitched. I wish they'd put half the effort they put into harassing women into helping with real life issues.

No. 2326152

>>2326151
I wish they gave the same energy to 4chan scrotes who intentionally grief in artfight and openly link their accounts on the fucking site but nah its the women minding their own business doing the most harm of course.

No. 2326159

Still so mad on behalf of everyone who got banned from ArtFight. So many of you were really talented and had great OCs, I had a bunch of you bookmarked but only managed to draw one attack for a farmer.

On the subject of that drama blog - they usually have a list of artists who get little to no attacks and it's very telling. Almost all of them have terrible references (like messy pencil headshots) and barely draw for anyone else and then wonder why they get nothing. The people who you regularly see interacting with that blog are just as bad at art. They should spend more time improving instead of sticking their noses in everyone's business trying to get people banned for not pandering to gendies.

No. 2326178

>>2326127
It's not like there's a shortage of tranny friendly art spaces, yet she chooses to lurk on LC, why? Handmaidens and troons are retarded.

No. 2326199

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thinking about penporo/constellor and getting sad again. her old art style was really good, what a waste

No. 2326203

>>2326127
>(Not proud of myself)
Kek it's always the ones with a Catholic guilt complex about using the eeeeevil anonymous gossip site

No. 2326222

>>2326199
fell out of a pipeline and tumbled straight into another horrible one, what a tragic fate.

No. 2326227

>>2326199
Putting it side by side really shows how much she downgraded, the colors and pose are just terrible now

No. 2326231

>>2322111
I just checked this person's account and it's actually really annoying how people are not even trying to create their own unique scenarios for their characters but instead just make a replica of the same kind of characterization as brujo's as if skinwalking the style wasn't already enough; what a lack of creativity all around. I guess I'm not that surprised since most artists aren't necessarily good writers.

No. 2326232

>>2326199
>old one is fanart
>new one is self insert thristpost
I dont know which one is worse her cuntboy shit or coomer trad ewhore shit

No. 2326241

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>>2326232
even if they were cuntboys at least the art style was pleasing to look at. an anime artstyle that actually looked unique and instantly recognizable, i love the colors she used and now all she does is make art with the same blue and purple color palette

No. 2326242

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so many great pieces, now she just draws self insert pinups with no background

No. 2326244

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>>2326241
>>2326242
vs her current art summary for 2024. extremely naval gazey and generic. completely lacking in the dynamic charm she once had in her older artworks. how tragic

No. 2326250

>>2326244
i'm all for artists drawing nothing but their favorite oc but man you gotta admit it gets boring to look at
i joined the official trigger studio discord years ago and people were talking about her, and how cool it would be if trigger ever reached out to her so she could work on something like what happened to genicecream. she was mostly famous for her promare art at the time, i'm sure most promare fans back then have seen her art. i wonder how differently she would've ended up if she got to work for trigger, her being that good of an artist when she was a teenager was crazy potential. now that she's an adult it seems like her sex drive is affecting her art too much

No. 2326265

>>2326199
>checks her current boyfriend's twitter account link on her profile
>BF's twitter bio links to NSFW account
>checks account
>gallery is filled with his bara self insert fucking other women's ocs
how incredibly cucked, she degraded her artstyle for a scrote thats too busy cooming to deathfats instead of improving his art. what a joke

No. 2326267

>>2326232
I really don't know how she looks like irl but it does make me wonder, why do artists make fictional characters that aren't their own look like themselves? I've seen it happen around sometimes and it tends to rub me the wrong way whenever it's obvious

No. 2326277

>>2326267
Sollipism, no friends or both.

No. 2326278

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>>2326267
she made an art vs artist page recently, I think you can come to your own conclusion

No. 2326283

>>2326278
I'm following her on bluesky and she got mad at a comment someone made where they said that they were disappointed that the artist who draw all these chubby ladies isn't chubby herself. She said that she was indeed chubby and posted a pic of her body, that's why she draws her self insert as chubby

No. 2326285

>>2326283
>they said that they were disappointed that the artist who draw all these chubby ladies isn't chubby herself
This is a retarded thing to get mad about on the commenter's behalf. She shouldn't have even entertained them.

No. 2326293

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>>2326285
To be fair I might've overexaggerated, it seems like the quote she made on this post is now deleted tho because I remember her posting a pic that showed her torso more

No. 2326294

>>2326293
Oh this makes more sense kek

No. 2326549

>>2326099
I still wonder why couldn't the mods just ignore us kek god forbid someone have different beliefs from you
and cuture too, tranny shit is american shit. seems a little offensive to impose your culture to others and ban them if they don't get it
there was a nonni who made art for me but was banned before she could send it, I wonder how her art looked like

No. 2326598

>>2326199
>>2326244
I'll never understand the whole "TIF to autosexual coomer tradwife" pipeline that happens to so many of these women, it's like the personality and talent was sucked out of her along with the tiffery.

No. 2326673

>>2326598
When I was in a relationship with an abusive moid my art skills dipped and then suddenly came back when I left. He was sucking away all my personality & sense of self because he was insecure and couldn't cope if my personality came out so maybe it's something similiar?

No. 2326815

hello nonnies i'm a 19-year-old neet and it seems like all my same-aged peers are way better than me. i have all the free time in the world, how to improve fast and quick? what are your favorite tips and tutorials?

>>2326105
i kinda dodged a bullet by not participating this year, even though i said i would in the most recent art salt thread back then lol my gendie friends followed me, and i made so sure i would definitely participate! only to not post a single thing. sometimes being a lazy fuck does help.

the artfight concept is pretty nice and afaik it's the only one of its kind? i'm mixed if i really want to engage next year, in one hand i don't want to miss out but in the other, they made sure they definitely do not give a fuck about women when they didn't do anything to the 4chan scrotes that actively soured the experience.

No. 2326910

>>2326815
I was in a similar position at the tail end of last year and what got me to click and start very rapidly improving was finding what I was really interested in (I like medical stuff, marine life and specific history for example) and implementing it into my art, and also finding art movements I really enjoyed the history or psychology of.
As for actual resources here's my favourites;
>George Bridgman Constructive Anatomy
>Stonehouse Anatomy
>Johannes Ittens Art of Colour
>Wynn Kapit/Lawrence M. Elson The Anatomy Colouring Book (very hard to find the best editon online unfortunately, also more for medfags)

No. 2326944

>>2326293
this is clearly a dude with a fetish and they should never be entertained, ever

No. 2326949

>>2326241
This one is so good has she ever done a tutorial on how to color?

No. 2326988

Is it coomer to draw male pinups?

No. 2326993

>>2326988
It's based

No. 2326994

How do you develop "personality" as an artist in order to gain more popularity? I don't want to be famous, but I want to make some money at least as a side gig

No. 2326995

>>2326123
I remember that one of the anons participating in the lc art fight tag was a Tif with her full face on Instagram lol

No. 2326998

>>2326994
learn how to use social media algorithms well, participate in activities (prompts, art memes, something-tobers etc), interact with people a lot

No. 2327002

>>2326994
Pick artists you like who have a strong internet presence and who draw the same things you'd like to draw (excluding those who have been active for >5 years) look at what they do and how they interact with others; How often do they post, what's their following/follower ratio, do they share other artists, partecipate in challenges, etc? Take these as a baseline, then put your own spin on it (your own personality, that is to say)
It helps also to choose artists who are on your same skill level, as of course extremely skilled artists will use platforms differently from ones who aren't as skilled, but have fun ideas and a close connection to their community.

No. 2327031

>>2326988
yes but it's based

No. 2327099

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This is dumb but I'm trying to study color and I've noticed a lot of artists will put different hue tones into shadows like picrel. Is there a word for the type of lighting with the gray-purple blocks of color in her hair's shadows? I'm also interested in how the artist made the character's skin look blue-ish against the yellow clothes and skin.

No. 2327103

>>2326988
Nah, do it

No. 2327186

Curious if any nonnas have a art related new years resolution. Mine is to be more strict with myself about drawing everyday and focusing on color more (nine times out of ten I usually give up after linear)

No. 2327210

>>2327099
Sometimes artists pick colors from the piece instead of the color wheel. Try downloadindg some of the art, and pick out colors that stand out to you. Some colors actually don't look the same when taken out the piece

No. 2327299

>>2327099
>Is there a word for the type of lighting with the gray-purple blocks of color in her hair's shadows?

Yes, it's called bounced light, which is light from the environment reflected into the shadows, something that happens irl. The bounced light in this piece is purple to contrast against yellow, which are complements on the color wheel. Her skin seems to be shaded with more cool skin colors, which naturally makes her skin look more bluish because of how much yellow is in the drawing. Color is relative, and will look different depending on the colors around it.

No. 2327324

>tfw many of my favorite artists are chinese and deleted their whole twiter gallery
>can't find or know if they are still active on lofter or weibo etc
Seriously I cant wait until Elon kills himself

No. 2327349

>>2327299
>>2327210
Thank you guys ily

No. 2327352

>>2327324
If you have any of their images saved, try to reverse image search using Baidu. In the future, if you find a Chinese artist that you like, just shoot them a message and ask if they use Weibo to showcase their art. Most artists will respond and give you their Weibo profile.

No. 2327373

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>>2327352
I did reverse image search this one artist's art on google image but I don't think I tried baidu, I just did and I think this is their weibo but their gallery is also mostly gone and this image is one of them…uhh whoops
I hope copycats didn't destroy their desire to be on social media anymore, I loved their art

No. 2327387

>>2327373
I genuinely cant tell where is the tracing

No. 2327392

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>>2327373
It's more about copying, and the colorpicking, etc. Many artists don't want their work heavily referenced
I fell into a deep rabbit hole kek

No. 2327398

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>>2327099
>put different hue tones into shadows
In real life a shadow will be multiple hues because the colours of the environment will constantly be bouncing off it. How artists replicate that is often alternating between warm and cold hues, that doesn't necessarily mean just shading with blue and red, with digital artists I've noticed a habit of using blue-green-purple (cool, neutral, warm).
>I'm also interested in how the artist made the character's skin look blue-ish against the yellow clothes and skin
The artist is employing simultaneous contrast (picrel)
>>2327186
Mine is to start pumping out as much high quality art as I can and to do more hours p/w of study.

No. 2327613

>>2327392
Do Chinese artists seem especially pressed over imitation? Or is it that the only ones we discuss here are? Either way, nuking your social media seems a little excessive. Is it really better for no one to see your work than have it used as inspiration by someone else?

No. 2327726

>>2327186

Making comics

No. 2328014

When I see artists draw their ocs a lot, it makes me so excited to have my own ocs. I don't get people who only want to see fanart. I don't even care if their ocs have lore or not. Nonas, please continue to draw your ocs, you will find your people! Now if only I'd kick my ass into gear and draw more myself kek

No. 2328018

>>2327186
Mine is no social media until the middle of 2025, yes it has to do with art to me, good luck nonnas

No. 2328068

I wish I knew how to be more exact with my art resolutions for this year. I used to be pretty good, but after just not drawing much or finishing anything for a couple of years I think I really need to return to the basics, but because I'm starting at the bottom again there is too much possibility. I don't know what to draw, stylised fanart or more realistic original works or what, there's too much endless possibility. I'm overwhelmed before I even start!

No. 2328070

>>2328014
that's too sweet to hear nona. I sometimes feel too cringe for liking them too much

No. 2328081

Anyone here has experience with moid artists putting their art down? Because it's interesting how many other moid artists, and sometimes older than me too, made snark comments about my drawings since I was like 13…..

No. 2328104

>>2328081
They just hate women and women artists especially if they’re better than them (moids). I wouldn’t take it to heart knowing all that but it is annoying

No. 2328106

>>2328104
I got criticized for drawing art that's too "feminine" and immature

No. 2328116

>>2328081
My best advice is to never take what moids say at face value. Oftentimes, It's out of envy that someone "inferior" excels in a skill they lack themselves.

No. 2328127

>>2328081
Moid artists are the worst. Doesn't matter their skill level. They're often riddled with insecurities due to being artists (which is perceived as a "feminine" and useless career) so they feel the need to bully others for it.

No. 2328233

My little personal lolcow has posted again and it's just full of silly little excuses as to why her year was so "bad" (as if it's any different than any other years, she always says the year was bad most of the time).

I don't know why Twisted Disaster intrigues me as she both annoys the fuck outta me but I also want to see her improve and get better. And because I've been snooping her Twitch livestreams from time to time, I was clocking the little lies she was saying in the video like how in the video she says that she did the most cons she's ever done (about 15 in one year) and how they were great for her financially when in reality when she talked about the cons in her streams, she was complaining and moaning about how awful she did (while feeling the need to remind her viewers that literally everyone else did terrible as well so it's not just her guys lol). The only one she said she did decent at was one where she shared a table and made her portion of the table back. I'm sure that the convention scene has changed and I don't think she's lying about that but I can't help but feel that she embellishes a bit because her own work is so bad because she doesn't practice fundamentals with anatomy and sizing and thinks that having a dramatic coloring style makes her stuff high quality when it really doesn't. And it probably doesn't help that she mostly draws chibis and that will only get you so far.

She also talks about her mental health problems and that's all fine and good but I feel like she again, can be over dramatic. This is a woman in her 30s who said in a stream during 2024 that she had a mental emotional breakdown when she realized that she was "nonbinary" (seriously…). And then there was her hilarious "throuple" situation where her and her husband got in a relationship with art youtuber Holly Brown that didn't work out because of course it didn't but it's all good because now Holly is a TIF and thinks she's a man (wtf happened?).
And in most of her streams she was always saying how she was having a mental emotional struggle and it's why she had/has to take lots of time for herself and work on her own stuff and neglect her ever growing backlog of commissions.

And then her r/fatlogic tier excuses of why she is facing certain health conditions like how she said she finally got a walking cane because she's having problems with balancing herself and that she feels pain in her knees & back because "muh chronic illness" which sure, that might make up some of it but she's also obese as shit and it's just telling how she doesn't think her being so fat doesn't also tie into her mobility struggles and knee & back pain issues she's been facing. I still remember her stream where she got the cane and was so overjoyed about it and in my head I'm thinking how depressing that is because she's not old and it's not normal for a person in their 30s to need a cane to get around.

And of course her retarded ass gendie friends encourage her crap work ethic because most of them are zoomers and don't know shit. I can't help but feel that this is the reason why she doesn't like talking to people around her age or older because they won't be as likely to pat her on the back when she continually fucks up.

Anyway just pissing in the wind so don't mind me kek.

No. 2328260

>>2328081
Yes, one of my earliest memories in deviantart was a moid insulting my art in my comments section and I was really upset since I was like 12 lol. But the good part was that I messaged an artist I really liked and she consoled me saying how haters gonna hate. So moral of the story, when moids do that, just stick with other women. We can all support each other

No. 2328370

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Kekking at this TIF(possibly terry) trying to convince us she's a moid while drawing spirou yaoi and having the girliest artstyle known to man. The fact that she posts in a site known to host actual gay men who post extremely moidish gay art like bara furries and femboys is what makes it all the more hilarious.

No. 2328380

>>2328014
I am the opposite. I can follow someone that draws fanart of shows i know nothing of but ocs filter me really hard, i think its because most are so ugly.

No. 2328410

>>2328014
I feel the same, especially if the ocs have a good design. I have ocs of my own but I don't draw them all that often and it bums me out because I tell myself that I really should draw them more but I get stuck on fanart pieces. I'm definitely going to try to draw more of my ocs this year for sure though.

No. 2328478

>post ocs
>lose 50 followers
>post gets hundreds or sometimes thousands of likes though
Maybe I should think of it more as filtering my audience as wtf is a large following even worth if it feels like nobody actually likes your work for the same reasons you do?

No. 2328489

>>2328478
People see existing characters as belonging to everyone, the expression of an individual artist rarely means anything to them. This is why I can't pander to those people, i'd be losing my soul of my art. Like no shame to people who sell comms and stuff and want an audience and feel satisfied with that, but thats how it feels to me.

No. 2328511

>>2328489
Yeah, I got a really large audience by posting "relatable" content but I don't wanna do that anymore because it attracted people who make me uncomfortable. Like, 70% moids who post the most generic braindead tiktok slang. I want to share my original stories with the world, it's not enough just to have comments and likes anymore, been there done that, I want the work from my heart to reach the hearts of others in a meaningful way.

No. 2328838

>>2328370
Could be a really effeminate "bottom". I've seen a few gay guys on Twitter that draw in a super girly way.

No. 2328917

>>2328838
I can't imagine any actual gay moid would draw shipping art of Spirou of all things. Do gay moids even like shipping? They always seem to just draw crap like furry baras and hideous-looking men with gargantuan penises.

No. 2328924

>>2328917
The super (non-furry) fandom-y ones do.

No. 2328957

>>2328838
Those "men" were probably tifs too anon. Men dont draw cute ship art, you can tell shes a woman when you compare her art to Fisher's or Vastian's gay coomer slop. No moid is drawing Nimu tier kawiwi art of ugly male characters either.

No. 2329026

>>2321416
Apparently, Ohuhu is releasing Honolulu Plus this year that's supposed to rival Copics (or at least come close). The nibs are neoprene like copic, so it might be worth looking into.

No. 2329075

>>2323152
IIRC I remember reading that Miku was designed to be the affordable "toy" Vocaloid, with the others created for professional musicians. They had all sorts of merch planned for her launch, with the target audience absolutely being men.

No. 2329096

>>2323630
Yes; it's good to cycle out and take breaks from digital to trad. Ideally, even if you do predominantly digital, it helps to exercise in trad. One of the nonnas mentioned as much earlier.
I'm going deep into trad this year and expanding on my pixel art as far as digital goes. No digital rendering. Was never a huge fan of it, honestly. I still do tradigital for the sake of color tests or aesthetic goals.
Really, the point is not to deny your art moods. Lean into them. You probably need the break/challenge. It'll encourage you to look at digital more as another medium instead of an entire choice to adhere to.

No. 2329100

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How do you play with proportions? Obviously i dont mean the basic proportion guides, but rather how you break them without making them look too weird.

No. 2329101

>>2329100
Kek picrel is such a good example of nonsensical proportioning. If you mean creating art from untraditional perspective, reference photos are always key.

No. 2329109

>>2329101
No, i did not mean that.

No. 2329114

>>2329109
Then I'm not sure what you mean, picrel definitely has broken proportions though, reminds of Hitlers art

No. 2329115

>>2329114
>reminds me of hitlers art
I didnt know hitler was a weeaboo. Who was his waifu.

No. 2329117

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>>2329115
Lol I feel like he'd be a stan twitter user who orbits vtubers cot sure.

No. 2329118

>>2328957
Men do ship sometimes but their shipping rarely takes priority in art or story, eroticism or plot or worldbuilding comes first. They are very horny or autistic about their lorefaggotry. You won't really find any men drawing or writing specific shippy art most of the time. Deep interest in romance is a mostly female hobby.

No. 2329119

>>2329117
Embarassing that hitler mogs anons on the /m/ art thread.

No. 2329120

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>>2328370
It’s her, look at her old art
Kek she draws herself like a slob

No. 2329124

>>2329120
She started posting her "self portraits" once anons started pointing out how similar her style is to terry's. I am pretty sure shes still a detransitioner and its trying ro convince people shes a man to escape her old persona.

No. 2329129

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I'm new and might've fucked up and posted this somewhere where it shouldn'tve been before, so apologies in advance. I know this thread complains about BrujoAri every three seconds but I can't stand all her clones either. Near identical daria-esque artstyle, same "omg so retro 2000s XD" aesthetics. It even feels like this artist is trying to recreate the "I can't believe they used to be JoJos characters!" appeal with how their OCs look like berserk characters given alt makeovers, even the comments are pointing out the similarities. I get that "y2k" shit is big right now but at least try to recreate a different artstyle from the era instead of copying Brujo and the million other fags trying to skinwalk her.

No. 2329132

>>2329129
I know it's because I'm a sperg but it's pissing me off that the scene girl is being catty to the other scene girl but the emo girl is simply listening to her emo moid.

No. 2329146

>>2329129
This is so retarded kek, in my country it was emos/punks/goths vs hiphoppers, not them against eachother. Also very inaccurate because a lot of scenekids were into handmade accessories, modifying their clothes etc. Where did she get from that they'd shit on thifting?

No. 2329148

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>>2329146
>it was emos/punks/goths vs hiphoppers, not them against eachother.
>emo/punks

No. 2329150

>>2329148
Huh? I'm european, I just named examples for alt fashions at that time, since they all had general beef with hiphop.

No. 2329152

>>2329129
>that oc griffith design
>that pfp and handle
Let me guess, she self-inserts as oc Griffith, oc Griffith is a tif, oc Guts is still a man, and she draws totally “gay” “yaoi” of them.
I could just be tinfoiling I have too much baggage from seeing tif artists do crap like this over and over again kek

No. 2329155

bang on the money lol. The full comic from the screenshot has them blushing at each other and the griffith clone still uses he/him.

No. 2329157


No. 2329163

>>2329129
Came to post this, she's truly suffering from success. Something about taking another person's way of drawing so directly really makes me think. Like was there really NOTHING you'd want to change, no personal touch you wanted to add?

No. 2329168

Right, down to the "straight at first glance but one's actually a tif" main couple. If people were copying my characters down to a T on such a large scale like that I'd go insane. I think she might've said something about the copycats on her insta (I remember someone posting it in this thread or the last one, but I have a shit memory so…) but it's probably deleted or buried now.

No. 2329174

>>2329163
I hope these people are young but somehow I don't think that's the case.

No. 2329179

>>2328370
>>2329120
Maybe I'm blind but this looks nothing like her stuff.

No. 2329215

>>2329129
isn't scene like punk anyways?

No. 2329236

>>2329129
Wtf, when I was a scene kid we thought punk kids were cool and were friends with them. These people truly don’t know the roots. As the other Nonna said a lot of came with DIYing your clothes (especially if you had stricter parents who wouldn’t let you buy stuff in my case.) sorry to derail kek

No. 2329271

>>2328081
My current work I showed a few years ago was dubbed amateur by a famous male artist, that may count. No I’m not bitter kek.

No. 2329277

>>2329129
None of those characters look punk or scene lol. Goth/emo/scene were misunderstood to be the same back in the day (they’re not) but DIY was the root of all music subcultures’ history. Music and fashion go hand in hand and today’s kids don’t follow the music for some reason. Nor do they seemingly have a desire to make their own clothes. A punk wouldn’t wear Nirvana and none of the subcultures would shop at Hobby Lobby (wtf??). Instead, Hot Topic was used as an insult because it was unoriginal to buy one’s clothes there. This gen ape images they have no experience with, like if I tried to make a Beatlemania character it would probably suck. Ugh kids get off my lawn.

No. 2329294

A 19 year old malding over young artists making more money from commissions than her is so damn funny. I love the sheer delulu here

No. 2329301

>>2328370
Which website was this posted on? This screams Terry

No. 2329321

>>2328081
kek yes, not art but when i used to post anime fanfiction aged 12, a male sent me a review saying my writing was unskilled. kekkk it was a script fic i have no idea what he was expecting. at least he didn't try to groom me like a moid did on wattpad to a girl i looked after at a youth club. had to get the actual police involved with that one.

No. 2329326

>>2328233
Oh shit, I didn’t realize she and her husband were the ones Holly Brown got into a throuple with lol

No. 2329327

>>2329129
It's kinda crazy to see younger zoomers try to recreate an era/aesthetics they'll never, ever understand nor participate in properly. Somehow, their depictions of subcultures feel so sanitized, parodical and censored, even their "mean" characters feel defanged and predictable

No. 2329334

>>2329301
Do art daily/dad gallery. I am pretty sure its her. The nationality is the same, the artstyle is similar, shes known to hop from cartoon ship fixation to another, and the acc started posting again after she stopped updating her twitter

No. 2329374

>>2329294
Has she considered that maybe her art isn't good? From looking at her feed, most of what she draws is very /beg/ but with enough work, maybe she could improve and eventually reconsider comms. Or, maybe get a job?

No. 2329386

>>2328233
I would like to profess my undying love to you, TDsperg-chan

No. 2329406

>>2329386
Me too kek I love her. I cannot stand TD's voice or videos, these summaries of her sperg behavior are beautiful.

No. 2329581

>>2329150
Nayrt I think they were just referring to the emo /punk war in Mexico kek

No. 2329586

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>>2329129
this reminds me another of artist popular with zoomers named milkkirie who has a bunch of skinwalkers too, and it drives me nuts because everyone that copies her downgrades their own art. at least with brujoari clones they learn some kind of anatomy/attention to detail.
idk if im the only one who has noticed this but im so sick of seeing these shitty shapemaxxing art styles that look lazy and retarded

No. 2329600

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>>2329586
Retarded question, but is the intention to go for the UPA art style when people "shapemaxx" their character designs? Because there's something about the way 'milkkirie' shapes the characters that seems like it's going for UPA, but just doesn't quite land it.

No. 2329612

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>>2329586
These zoomies are all skin walking Craig McCracken, who is the Rebecca Sugar of the 90s.

No. 2329617

>>2329612
>Rebecca Sugar of the 90s
horrible take

No. 2329618

>>2328233
If I went to a con and saw twisted disaster, I'd talk to her and buy something

No. 2329627

>>2329129
This reads like an alien trying to approximate how punk and scene kids act. That liberty spike hair was a joke in the 80s, also the type of guy to wear those wouldn’t be wearing an old navy Misfits graphic print tshirt. Considering she also used a Nirvana tshirt, she probably looked up ‘punk bands’ on google and chose a logo from the first 5 results. A scene kid that existed back then would not have any beef with a punk because the subcultures are so far removed. It would make more sense if it was punk vs hippies because that was an actual thing some time ago.

No. 2329643

>>2329617
Yes he did have stupid takes thank god his wife is better.

No. 2329647

>>2329627
I honestly feel like people of many subcultures in the past didn't really beef with eachother. That seems more of a modern thing with how unique and different people are pressured to be with social media and the rise of "cores" and whatnot.

No. 2329657

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>>2329600
I don't think she's trying to be UPA too much, especially since her recent art is more detailed, not super detailed but now her art doesn't look so lazy.
the main weakness i see in milkkries are and her skinwalkers by extension is their lack of understanding certain fundamentals like space and proportion, as well as making designs that are just- TOO 2D and stiff. see picrel
she's been improving from that style since middle of 2024 so that's good at least

No. 2329658

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>>2329129
This is absolutely a brujo ari skinwalker, down to the characters originally being from x media

No. 2329665

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>>2329658
Same anon, white haired is also referred to as 'he' are you even trying to hide it?

No. 2329668

>>2329658
>berserk
…fucking how

No. 2329670

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>>2329129
Incredibly confused as to what is causing her to crash out in this way and give these types of explanations. Going by the qrts and comments on both comics, the responses are mostly positive aside from a few people going "this is just berserk" and one person going "oh fuck off" with their friend bringing up Berserk part 2 (because of Griffith raping Casca?)

>>2329658
Interesting response considering she got pissed at other people calling these Berserk characters kek

No. 2329676

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>>2329326
Yep that was her kek. They only lasted a few months (not very long) and things didn't work out (my guess is that it was the long distance since Holly lives in Texas and TD lives in California). They didn't give any specifics on what happened but during the relationship, Holly "found herself" and realized that she's actually a man and is now on T. I can't help but feel that this "discovery" is just the influence from Michie and her retarded ass gendie group since only like one person in their little friend group doesn't label themselves any kind of troon or enby. And it was shortly after Michie had her emotional breakdown of realizing she's enby kek.

>>2329386
>>2329406
Thanks kek I know she's a drop in the bucket compared to a lot of other artspergs but I have so much to work with from time to time because of her streams and the stupid shit she says in them. I guess I feel a little restless with it because none of her friends call her out when she's saying something retarded but even when she does realize she's saying something stupid, she will just default to "TEEHEE It's the 'tism". I swear ever since she got her diagnosis for her autism (which shouldn't have been surprising to her because of how she acts), she's been on steroids with the excuses for not having common sense and blaming it on autism.
Like I mentioned in a previous thread, once upon a time she used to not be that bad but even since she got on Twitch and made friends with retarded gendie zoomers and got obsessed with Vtubing, I feel like she really has regressed. And her art well… Anatomy fundamentals, even if she's going for a cartoony style, it still looks wonky and needs refining, not more emphasis on shading.

No. 2329700

>>2329215
It's a little complicated. Scenekids main style of music that defined their scene was crunkcore (which started on MySpace) and crunkcore sounds nothing like punk. On the other hand, pop punk was also popular with the scene and that could kinda be a nod to punk but punk was never meant to be corporate or about being popular which is why during the 2000s, a lot of traditional punk rockers hated pop punk. But like other anons pointed out, DIY was also popular with scenekids what with buying their clothes from thrift stores to give that sorta of retro vibe to it with some DIY touch ups.

>>2329236
I dunno anon, I was a teen during the 2000s and I was kinda in the middle and at my school, the punk kids didn't really like the scene kids. I grew up in California though so maybe location can play into this? I just remember the punk kids at my school would call scene guys "fags".

>>2329277
Pretty much this. I think that the problem with these zoomers is that they "try" to get into these subcultures in an inorganic way. They hangout in places like TikTok and Pinterest and copy what they see there while not truly immersing themselves in the music. That's why a lot of the time it feels like when you see these zoomer scene/emo/goths, it feels like they're wearing a costume or playing up a character. I find that the zoomers who do feel authentic to these scenes don't tend to dress over the top and they actually display the music from these respective genres that they like and it just ends up feeling much more natural.

No. 2329706

I think most plagiarism accusations are overblown but I noticed that one of the bigger theater companies in my country recreated another artist's work for a poster to an upcoming play it isn't a case of homage or inspiration it looks eerily similar It could be that they got the permission from the artist but nowhere do they mention him on their website or on social media. It could be that he is credited in the play's program but it hasn't opened yet so I can't say for sure. But honestly I find it a bit odd that a more "highbrow" play wouldn't opt for an original idea for their poster.
Should I contact the artist to ask him if he is aware of this/confirm it isn't a case of plagiarism? he is an exhibition artist and it seems like he has a small presence on social media so I doubt I can get in touch with him or am I overthinking this? Tbh it most likely isn't a case of plagiarism but it still bothers meI was considering posting the poster here but decided against it

No. 2329714

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>>2329129
>>2329670
it's just beserek yaoi griffith was also hyper-feminized, but this is a straight-up female design

No. 2329751

>>2329676
Holly is such a sad case. Last I saw she was diagnosed with schizophrenia and she said she has hallucinations but idk if it's a munchie larp or not. I feel like everything she does is for attention and so was the transitioning.

No. 2329811

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>>2329334
>>2329124
Her new persona after she detransed. It’s everywhere on that profile kek

No. 2329817

Do you guys have any art medium you dislike working with? For me it's watercolors, I hate how messy it is to use them and I feel like my watercolor-only art tends to look unfinished

No. 2329827

>>2329129
This person is besties with that Griffith fakeboi farmer who got exposed in >>>/snow/2068911 and >>>/g/450226 kek

No. 2329883

>>2329751
Holly is quite mentally ill and honestly I feel bad for her. As far as I know, she was misdiagnosed (with bipolar?) and now has a new diagnosis. I remember at one point she used to do 9 hour streams

No. 2329900

>>2329751
>>2329883
I was never a fan of Holly personally but I agree that it's sad to see how far she's fallen. I didn't hear about the hallucinations because I only ever got exposed to her whenever she would be on Michie's streams and got a little insight about her life through there. She hasn't been on her streams in quite some time though and Michie mentions in the video posted that she had a really bad fallout with a close friend and I'm wondering if that person was Holly.

Anyway With all the mental health issues Holly has, it's no wonder why being around Michie and the others have only exacerbated it because as I said in the other post, their group enables retardation. Does Holly still live with her mother and sister? I wonder if they've been actively trying to help her. Not that it's their obligation since Holly is an adult but it seemed like they had a good relationship so they'd more than likely be helping her keep up on herself.

No. 2329907

>>2329817
watercolour as well, i can never manage to layer it correctly and the colours end up looking muddy. I prefer gouache since its more opaque and I dont have to layer it as much. I also dislike charcoal/pastels since the feeling on my hands and smudging the material is like nails on chalkboard.

No. 2329937

>>2329817
I hate watercolor too because I have no patience waiting for layers to dry and have a tendency to overwork the paper. Charcoal and pastel also irritates my autism because of the sounds and how dry they are.

No. 2329940

>>2329907
I despise charcoals, there's a reason why they're a niche medium

No. 2329979

>>2329706
I don’t think there’s any harm in getting contact. Best case scenario another artist learns how to be more original, worst case scenario the original artist doesn’t respond.

No. 2329983

>>2325973
Moids steal styles from women all of the time. JP moids grifted from female artists to apply it to a lot of their coom, for example. I suspect it's from their inability to appreciate things without the perspective of their sex drive.

No. 2329987

>>2329940
>>2329907
blend with blending stumps or makeup brushes

No. 2329998

>>2329983
This is true. Lolicon aesthetics are stolen from shoujo manga. Its why stuff like Barasui's art is appealling to women, even if its a pedo scrote stealing girly things and perverting them.

No. 2330048

>>2326267
I heard it's really a subconscious thing, although it becomes MORE obvious when it's done on purpose. This is why it isn't a bad idea to collect an image bank of faces and features you like for your characters.

No. 2330068

>>2329817
I love watercolor art but watercolor itself is far too unruly for me to use so I stick with copic markers.

No. 2330115

>>2329129
Scene wasn't this skimpy, was it?

No. 2330134

>>2328370
oh! so that's why eridan was her fav…

No. 2330184

>>2330115
yeah you're correct, scene was always about layering so the most you'd show is your shoulders or thighs when you wear a skirt. 2000s scene fashion was majority middle/highschoolers so nobody was just showing their middrift, dresscodes were too strict for that shit. a scene girl would wear a tacky hot topic corset 100% over a crop top every time. zoomers are too brainwashed by seeing every outfit designed for tiktok coom appeal to get that

No. 2330381

>>2329817
I like watercolour, it is very finicky and only looks good on certain types of paper and it's better for larger paintings (at least >A4, ime 1x1m was the sweet spot) where it won't run as much or muddy details.
As for mediums I hate, I loathe acrylics and pastels, for acrylic I just hate the way the paint feels to use and I don't particularly like how I'm painting with plastic, pastels just fucking get everywhere and look bad.

No. 2330389

>>2330115
Nope. A lot of fashions associated with teens in the mid-late 2000s were actually really covered up. It's the biggest giveaway that an artist is too young to have personally experienced the subcultures.

No. 2330558

>>2329586
It never works out because they always cling to trying to make pretty/sexy characters, while the style is supposed to be goofy.

No. 2330590

>>2328380
I'm the same way, to a point. There are nice OCs out there, but most aren't worth the level of response they get. I've come to learn that a lot of those "OOH SO HECKING VALID" compliments to the ugliest OCs are from other artists expecting reciprocation. It doesn't feel genuine.
On the other hand, OCs that serve to tell a real story, carry a theme, or just look cool/ show off their technical skill make me follow the artist.

>>2329817
Oil. I don't hate-hate it, but I think even if I had the space and means to take it up, I wouldn't. I know there are water soluble oils, but the effects I want are achievable through watercolor and traditional gouaches.
I also don't like quill nibs. I love the outcome, but I hate the feel of the metal against the paper. Brush was harder to learn, but I love it as an alternative.

>>2329937
> I hate watercolor too because I have no patience waiting for layers to dry and have a tendency to overwork the paper.
Heat gun or a hair dryer is the secret for the glazing method.

No. 2330802

>>2329700
> so maybe location can play into this?
Imo that's my experience of being a terminally online teenager who moved around and straddled a lot of alternative scenes.
The younger people online trying to replicate these past youth trends can't get it spot on because they're coming from an American flanderized Pinterest soup whereas the actual movements weren't that clean cut and globally universal, and not everything was online, and not everything that ended up online stayed online. Blanket statements like "punks hate scene kids" can't work because there was no singular spokesperson for those movements, it just depended whether or not your local area had enough alternative teenagers around to start hating each others factions, or whether they had to band together. It's weird how the younger artists decide they understand everything because they watch a TikTok video.
I imagine scene kids being called fags was a universal truth, but also they said it so much themselves about others kek

No. 2330879

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Just saw this ad from Fiverr to promote their ai services, it has seemed to spark a bit of controversy

No. 2330891

>>2330879
>Nobody cares that you used AI
Lots of people care a great deal actually, nut nobody cares about Fiverr anymore so they had to farm outrage to get people talking about their dusty old website again

No. 2330893

>>2330891
SO many people care about AI art, and they hate it with a passion. It ruins your integrity and makes you look cheap and soulless. I find that even older normies who don't know much about it until I explained it to them end up naturally disliking it. The only people I see who like AI art are AI bro grifters, and they actively hate real artists who are in their way which makes artists in turn dislike them even more.

No. 2330911

>>2330879
Kek. Unfortunately it’s true. Employers don’t care that you didn’t use AI either, they just care about their bottom line. The ad was amusing but I really don’t like where things are going with creative industries.

No. 2330913

>>2330879
>hire Fiverr experts who've mastered AI
But Fiverr is it's so easy to make AI shit, why do I need you?

No. 2330915

>>2330879
>paying for AI
Honestly this is the cringiest part of it, imagine paying to use something thats free.

No. 2330917

>>2330893
A place near me started selling drinks with AI art and most people asking about it think it looks dystopian and that it'll poison them.

No. 2330920

I fucking hate how AI imagery has taken over platforms like Pinterest. I’m not even some luddite who doesn’t know how technology works; I’ve experimented with AI and know how to prompt or whatever. I just hate that now I almost see more of it than actual art, and I hate that employers are beginning to ask for familiarity with it as a basic requirement. I haven’t been forced to use it in a professional setting yet but I feel like it’s only a matter of time. Clown shit.

No. 2330934

>>2330920
I hate the proliferation of ai on Pinterest and the Internet as well. Whenever I search up something in Google images, the results get clogged with ai. The option to leave out keywords doesn't work anymore, I could tell Google to leave out options with "midjourney" "ai" but aislop still finds a way to leak to the surface

>>2330915
I wouldn't be surprised if ai services get completely locked by paywalls in the future.

No. 2330961

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>>2317214
Saged because I'm super late and didn't get a chance to watch the VOD until now but jesus christ, Juby is unhinged.
>says the most fitting punishment for people like genice is to "destroy their careers from the inside out" by spreading what they did in order to get them blacklisted
>says it gives her a "small little thrill of catharsis" and that she's telling everyone that is "relevant" (aka industry professionals) about what genice did
>"if you know people who deserve to know about genice, please tell them. i want this information out there. i want people to gossip about genice. it's what she deserves."
>claims to not be a vengeful person but instantly contradicts herself by saying that she "takes joy in seeing the results of it" because she's been victimized too much, claims that she's going against her nature in order to watch people burn
>will name-drop genicecream on twitch but not on twitter/bluesky because she "doesn't have the hp" and needs a few months to recover (note that she was fine with calling out rianbowart on social media but not genice)
>is currently waiting for genice to come out of hibernation, compares it to playing chess and watching her opponent's moves
>"i'm just waiting for genice to do something so stupid, that i have to say something and destroy her whole career"
>"we'll see what happens. all she needs to do is give me one reason and i think she knows it. she probably assumed that i wasn't going to say anything but i did and it messed up her plans. i'm all about messing up people's nefarious plans"
>originally helped genice workshop ideas for her project and shared stuff about a witch's cross, which was how genice "stole" from her
>according to juby, genice shared stuff on her private twitter that juby felt was too similar to a witch's cross
>juby wanted genice to confess on her private twitter that the stuff she posted wasn't her original idea and genice refused
>juby claimed that she confronted genice three times about stuff she stole from juby
>claims that genice based her main character on juby. according to her, genice said that she "started to understand athena's character better after i talked with you and learned more about you"
>when juby pointed out that "that's my stuff", genice told her she was jealous and controlling
>in the end, genice gave juby a 10 page manifesto about how she doesn't have to answer to juby because she only answers to god and puts her sins in god's hands, and doesn't need to apologize to juby because she only has to apologize to god
>juby claims that she isn't worried that genice will "somehow outperform my story, it's just the principle of it. to violate a friend, having been given the complete picture and context of her suffering, her experiences, and the body of works that came from that. to just desecrate that, willfully, consciously, and then get mad when you friend tells you to stop"
>genice wanted juby to take back the time she called her self-deluded, juby refused "because it's true"
>claims that genice "was really neurotic for some reason" and that she had no trauma/a really good childhood, says that genice was probably like that because she wasn't punished enough and needed to be punished
>re: rianbowart: was basically saying that she doesn't think rian can actually draw, says that she should just be a colorist and color coloring books, thinks her art is tasteless because she just paints rainbows over everything, calls her a bimbo that probably can't draw shit except for faces and traces everything else
>repeatedly called genicecream and rianbowart narcissists, psychopaths, sociopaths, parasites, "i don't think they're actually human", soulless bots, cancer, attention whores, cockroaches

Even if in the end it turns out that Juby was justified, she just comes across as an incredibly vindictive and spiteful bpdemon. Like, I'll admit that Genice giving her a 10 page manifesto is super weird but it doesn't justify Juby's continuous seething. I don't understand how her viewers listened to her rant over and over about Genice for SEVEN HOURS and think she's normal and 100% in the right.

No. 2330992

>>2330961
all this over some unoriginal shitty ocs what the fuck
>I was sooo nice
kek

No. 2331039

>>2330961
I hope eden's gate gets turned into another studio trigger project in retribution for all this kek what a horrific bpdemon

No. 2331061

>>2330961
Does this idiot realize people will clip her unhinged seething fit?

No. 2331104

>>2331061
not to mention she has her previous broadcasts up as well to watch whenever. I guess she expected people not willing to shift through 8 hours of content to pick out a VOD, too bad it makes our job easier when shes schizobabbling consecutively for those 8 hours and doesn't know when to shut up.
Not really the most "calculative and cunning gamemaster" when it shes the only one publically chimping out and calling everyone a schizo narc parasite.

No. 2331165

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>>2330879
AI always reminds me of the surrealist epic galaxy photoshop edits that were really popular. I guess normies really don't give a fuck?

No. 2331218

>>2330879
>nobody cares!
So they dont care about the AI child porn that's being sold on fiver ok.

No. 2331266

>>2331218
They really don’t. It’s fucking bleak.

No. 2331314

>>2330961
>re: rianbowart: was basically saying that she doesn't think rian can actually draw, says that she should just be a colorist and color coloring books, thinks her art is tasteless because she just paints rainbows over everything, calls her a bimbo that probably can't draw shit except for faces and traces everything else
she's right here though

No. 2331351

>>2330934
>I wouldn't be surprised if ai services get completely locked by paywalls in the future.
That is the eventual goal, and you can tell. Midjourney's monthly price went up by a lot very quickly. From $9 to $24 for the lowest tier, IIRC.
And, apparently, some GPUs come with AI (I have no idea how that works; I'm guessing it's an optional download with the driver). You might see that come with limitations and buy-in premiums for people who don't want to do their own setup (thus making the lazier even more lazy).
Every aspect of AI that you can think of that could be monetized, will be monetized.

No. 2331358

>>2330961
I don't even need to see evidence to feel bad for genice. Some fucking twenty-something year old kid (yes, people in their twenties are child aged adults, your twenties are for being retarded and figuring yourself out) supposedly "copying" someone's ocs that YOU HELPED MAKE in the first place doesn't deserve a total destruction of one's career. It really fucking doesn't. "oh but she might plagiarize official work later!" industry professionals take inspiration from each other all the time, not to mention we haven't seen this supposed plagiarism and don't know how far it extends. It's also very different to copy art vs copy story materials. I want someone to call out Juby so fucking bad because this isn't fair to genice, no matter how priviliged genice is, getting into studio trigger isn't easy, it's full of famous industry veterans, she must've worked really hard.

No. 2331530

>>2331358
juby also spergs out routinely and has accused so many people of “copying” her so many times i think she’s just one of those people. i’ve noticed some artists are way too defensive over claiming something is “copied” or “too similar” maybe because the alternative is realizing not everything you come up with is 100% totally unique and new, and that would require humility, sanity, and self reflection that juby clearly doesn’t have. i think she’s probably some kind of narcissist bpdemon or something like that and genuinely thinks she’s the victim but i’d bet money if we could actually compare a witch’s cross and edensgate they would be just mildly similar at best or something

No. 2331696

>>2330961
I can't believe she's gone into the new year still ranting about this and manages to sound even crazier with every passing stream. I hope she does do the call out post so people can dig into these crazy ass streams because it feels like her irrelevancy is the only thing saving her.

No. 2331701

>>2331530
Wait really? Who has she also accused? I haven't heard of her until the Genice incident. Didn't realize this is a pattern of behavior for her, but that explains a lot.

>>2331358
What's messed up is that they met when Genice was only 18. I think Genice showed her some of her art at a convention or something, and that's how they became friends. They've known each other for almost a decade now and Juby has met Genice's family and even been over at their house. It's so wild to me that Juby is nuking a 10 year friendship/mentorship over something as stupid as this, while also trying to permanently ruin Genice's art career

>>2331314
She's definitely not wrong about rianbowart but her incessant sperging about Genice doesn't help her case. She's like the boy who cried wolf, if the boy went on an hours-long schizo rant

No. 2331869

>>2330961
Her beef with Genice is pure jealousy, all of this started only after she got to work with Trigger right? It's sad to see someone in their mid 30s with this level of envy and immaturity, especially against a friend.

No. 2331914

>>2331701
bpdemons: not even once.

No. 2332124

>>2331358
I don't even know how Juby plans to destroy her. She's making it sound like she has screenshots of Genice admitting that she took inspiration from Juby but no one is going to give a fuck about that. If she made a callout post it might get a few thousand likes (if the first part is clickbaity enough) but callouts have never mattered. A big one might lead to a person losing like 2% of their following but people just don't care about someone's personal issues as long as they can continue to see the slop they signed up for. It only starts to impact an artist if they pay attention to it publically. If you start sperging about drama all day you'll lose followers because that's not what people care to see. Even getting labelled as a pedo the way astrocatie or kauchama were didn't really end their careers.

>>2331701
One example from an older thread, another situation in which Juby ended a long friendship over some disagreement and proceeded to slander the person >>905827

No. 2332129

>>2332124
>3 years ago
jesus, this girl has problems for real

No. 2332170

>>2329998
I was obsessed with strawberry marshmallow as a 12 year old. I thought the art was so cute and the characters were so funny and "just like me". I read them again as an adult and it hurt

>>2329900
Does anyone know Holly's socials now? I really want to see if she's improved or just drawing the same stiff broken looking figures

>>2330934
For google images, you can search like this "cute cats before:2021" you'll be missing out on more recent pictures but no AI shit (in the main search at least)

No. 2332181

>>2332124
She's slandering genice to other professionals in the industry as opposed to on social media to hopefully ruin her actual industry career as opposed to her social media one.

No. 2332182

>>2329998
>Lolicon aesthetics are stolen from shoujo manga
I wish more women understood this. I still love the shoujo style from when I was a kid but when I like a cute design now people just go "why do you like that gross obvious loli shit???". But it was initially made for females by females! It's not my fault men are gross coomers about literally fucking everything, of course I don't like it the way a coomer moid would! A female liking loli designs will just never be the same as a male liking it.

No. 2332184

>>2332182
I began falling down a loli rabbit hole around age 12-13 because I found them adorable and it damaged me permanently in ways I'm only recently unlearning as my frontal lobe developed. Seeing teenage girls do this all over again on a wider scale on tiktok now that it's trendy is so painful. Scrotes really do ruin everything and I pray for the pick me subahibi aesthetic girls.

No. 2332185

>>2332170
She still has a youtube where she shows off her art from time to time. You should be able to find it by searching Holly brown art.

No. 2332186

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>>2332181
But it won't matter if genice's comic is indie, no? And Juby also had that marvel spergout back when she got to do one cover for them, I doubt anyone in professional circles values her opinions much.

>>2332170
https://linktr.ee/hcbrownart
Her art hasn't gotten better but she recently posted about getting a part time job and going back to school so she'll probably be fine.

No. 2332195

>>2329998
correct me if I'm wrong but weren't many early loli manga artists also inspired by fujos? I've heard they wanted their own equivalent of yaoi but for men

No. 2332201

>>2332170
Holly's art is essentially the same as it has always been

No. 2332251

>>2332195
No idea. I know lolicon manga drew male fans to comiket, which prior to lolicon was 90% female, so it is very possible.

No. 2332303

>>2332184
>I began falling down a loli rabbit hole around age 12-13 because I found them adorable and it damaged me permanently in ways I'm only recently unlearning as my frontal lobe developed.
What do you actually mean by this?

No. 2332385

>>2332182
Honestly even up to this day I think it's mostly asian incel moids who are weirdly into shoujo/loli aesthetic. Western weebs are into shit like the "granny" from dandadan

No. 2332391

>>2332385
Samefag but like most western moids find any cute aesthetic gross and childish and they only like hypersexual women or casual tomboys. From my pov it's normal for a woman to like cute moe girls, since they reminds us of dolls, bunnies and sanrio characters

No. 2332486

>>2332385
This isnt true, blue archive is really popular with western weebs.

No. 2332569

>>233239
The difference is women are (generalizing) hardwired to find things cute and we have the capacity to think of things without sexualizing them even when they’re designed to be sexual. Moids on the other hand have some sort of design flaw that makes them want to fuck any and everything even when it’s inappropriate or a 2D image.

No. 2332770

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Good lord I detest this image kek. It's repulsive (pink one is a tim btw) but at the same time, I'm actually really into the rendering and sense of shape/form on this. I typically am not a fan of this artist's content and ignore it, but recently I'm finding it more revolting. I pray she peaks and develops a better sense of taste someday.

No. 2332790

>>2332770
Just start rendering like her and make something you want to see. It's that easy

No. 2332836

>>2332790
>Just start rendering like her
No kek, just because I think her rendering looks good doesn't mean I want to emulate it
>make something you want to see
Already doing that and in a style I enjoy drawing. Sometimes hating on an artist is just hating, not looking for a "solution" (which isn't really that helpful, by that logic all the nonas who love brujoari's art but hate the content should just go mimick her style lmao)

No. 2332854

>>2332569
>when they’re designed to be sexual
It's fascinating that women across sexual orientations find the random sexualization of things off-putting. I've often questioned my own sexuality because I don't understand why people become aroused by seemingly innocuous lines. Is this why so many women are identifying as some form of asexual?

No. 2332897

>>2332303
I was into normal girl anime like tokyo mew mew and peach girl until I discovered 4chan and it normalized a lot of shit to me. Like I watched oreimo at age 13 and it gave me a fascination for eroge, and I got into touhou and began using the /jp/ board a lot and began to perceive those men as normal or even superior to me due to the autistic urge to trust other peoples judgement over yourself. I stopped being able to recognize the sexualization of lolis as weird and I never found them arousing but I saw the creepiness towards them as normal due to the spaces I found myself in. I acted in ways I’m extremely embarrassed about now. As my frontal lobe developed, I realized my continued interest in them was based in my desire to revert back to innocence before I was corrupted by 4chan and that the moids who lusted over them were unironic pedophiles and now I have difficulty watching an anime if it sexualizes young girls at all.

No. 2332901

>>2332836
Belongs in the bad art thread then

No. 2332919

>>2330961
She's hereby christened as Diet Creepshart kek

No. 2332972

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>>2330961
>in the end, genice gave juby a 10 page manifesto about how she doesn't have to answer to juby because she only answers to god and puts her sins in god's hands, and doesn't need to apologize to juby because she only has to apologize to god
I don't see why Juby doesn't just post this alleged manifesto if she wants to destroy Genice so bad without overexerting herself, unless she's exaggerating/twisting details out-of-context to make Genice sound like a religious nutcase

Also, if Juby ever goes anywhere with her project, it may be notable to pay attention to the part where her self-insert "suffers endless abuse from friends and foes alike". She's already said the story was inspired by her own journey with depression and disability, so I wouldn't be surprised she based anything off fallouts with "abusive friends" (imagine if she bases a character off Genice kek)

No. 2333006

>>2332181
Is this not self sabotage? From what little I’ve seen it sounds like she does this shit a lot and some people are tired of it. The fact that she needs to vent this long on stream tells me she needs validation from online strangers because the people she’s already told are probably sick of it and nod while she word vomits. It’s especially funny when you realize genice hasn’t said a single word of this situation whatsoever let alone released anything yet she’s already tweaking out about it to fellow industry professionals. I think most people can tell that juby’s accusations are pretty flimsy when she’s barely produced anything tangible for her supposedly personal story, especially when the dumbass herself is the one who helped genice.

No. 2333025

>>2332897
>until I discovered 4chan
Well there you go. It's not loli or girly designs that do it, it's hanging out with adult pedophiles preying on you as a vulnerable kid. Sorry you had to go through that nona. I wish girls had more exclusive and monitored spaces that men couldn't go to.

No. 2333062

>>2333025
Oh yeah definitely, I didn't mean to imply that, just that with the retrospect I can definitely see how loli is once again just men invading women's spaces because the designs really ARE appealing to young girls. Watching girls as young as 13-15 become super obsessed with shit like nekopara and subahibi for the aesthetics as well as idealizing old internet 4chan/newgrounds culture is so painful knowing exactly what all of that did to me, I just hope the fact grooming is a meme now will keep them safe.

No. 2333139

>>2330961
>>2331530
>>2331869
>>2332972
Seriously Juby is fucking nuts and the art lolcow scene has been pretty dry of milk. I second the nonnie about Juby getting her own thread. I wouldn't mind reading more about this retard and her existential crisis over people with similar projects. Honestly even IF genice was copying Juby it would be obvious and make Juby's work stand out more as the original so the sperg out is unnecessary. Like imagine Twilight's author sperging about the vampire fad it brought on in YA back in like 07. Stupid AF.

No. 2333175

>>2333139
Honestly it might even just be good as containment since half the posts in the thread are about her lol also I spitefully don't want her to get away with slandering genice like this with no evidence. It's not right. She immediately dropped the evidence on rianbow yet said she shouldn't have to prove to people online she's in the right about her vendetta against genice which I think speaks for itself.

No. 2333187

>>2333139
>it would be obvious and make Juby's work stand out more
Kek what work? She's seething because according to her tumblr she started ""development"" for it back in 2016 but has nothing to show for it besides a few drawings. If genice released her comic Juby would look like the copycat. That is if their works are comparable at all

No. 2333347

>>2333187
>>2333175
Exactly. The fact that Juby shows zero proof and hasn't released shit on Witch's Cross makes me think whatever it is it's some underdeveloped story that is so fucking generic you could find it on any webtoon site.

No. 2333388

File: 1736041970295.jpeg (1.29 MB, 1170x659, IMG_5685.jpeg)

I’m a juror for an artist alley of one of the largest fighting game tournaments in the USA and we just reviewed an application from a fairly well known artist (picrel) that said “I prefer a table in front of the entrance since I am a cosplayer bringing hype to your event!”
KEKKKKKKKKKK Nobody is coming to this tournament to see your aliexpress polyester costumes you narcissistic bitch lol

No. 2333445

>>2332972
>I don't see why Juby doesn't just post this alleged manifesto
I'm watching through another of Juby's VODs and she said she's purposefully saving the manifesto for if/when Genice does something stupid

>>2333139
I'd be down for a Juby thread but I'm not familiar enough with her history to write the thread OP. I noticed that Genice is posting again on Bluesky, so we could be getting some more milk soon

No. 2333489

>>2333139
>>2333175
There used to be a general art cow thread in snow before it went defunct due to no new thread being created after the first one reached its cap. I don't think juby is milky enough on her own to warrant her own thread, but there definitely should be a snow containment to discuss cows like juby and brujoari ft. her orbiter/copycats

No. 2333503

>>2333388
I think she's pretty and her art/cosplay isn't bad but holy fuck the entitlement is crazy, I'd decline her based on that alone because someone with a poor attitude is hell to do business with.
>>2333489
Why did a new one never get made? That's odd to me. There's so many artists that are milky to talk about that don't have enough milk for a whole thread.

No. 2333528

>>2333503
>>2333489
Not true, it's under 400 posts. I don't know why anons stopped posting. It's >>>/snow/963863

No. 2333580

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>>2333503
I think her request usually works at other tournaments. I frequent the other ones a lot and she is always in the main walkway/near the entrance. I wouldn’t have a problem with such a request if she was actually crafting the cosplays, but they are all 100% bought from China or commissioned.

I’m pretty outnumbered by the other jurors in my skepticism of her. She also regularly tries to sow distrust for the other community artists, my guess is because she feels threatened by competition. She gossips about them with TOs and constantly tweets that she’s being persecuted by other artists. There is no excuse to be publicly tweeting this unprofessionally about your coworkers. Talk to them about this shit privately or name names and post proof instead of airing out your bpd manic episode to your fans.

No. 2333589

>>2333580
>that image
I just can't understand how victim mentality self centered people are actually able to get their way with people. They are so obviously jerking their own egos and throwing other people under the bus for their own benefit. Considering how actual nice people usually get thrown under the bus, I have to wonder if the "other peoples light shows off your darkness" thing is true? People like this give me such rancid vibes though, I'm sorry nobody else is trusting your judgement nonna. It's so obvious to me what she is, her being the only artist who will do that is so far from the truth, it's just that a lot of other artists are really shy.

No. 2333624

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>>2333589
No need to feel sorry for me, she doesnt really affect me at all. I am a little worried about her growing influence though. I’ve noticed for years that she does sometimes heavily reference other community artists’ work for her merch, which hurts the already deteriorating integrity of artist alley.
Idk if anybody here remembers shunao but she is down that path imo. Just a few months ago she falsely accused somebody of sexually victimizing her as part of a bandwagon (the accused has since been proven innocent). Unlike shunao, everybody just let her get away with it for some reason. The tweets are even still up even though its been widely agreed upon that this person got hunted for basically no reason. I guess if you cosplay and make acrylic garbage that panders to a community you can get away with anything.

No. 2333766

>>2333388
I'm too late to be saying this, but be careful posting things that could get you easily identified in those circles, you're inviting trouble.

No. 2333795

>>2333445
>I noticed that Genice is posting again on Bluesky, so we could be getting some more milk soon
She has been posting on the bird app for a few days now. It feels like no-one noticed because it hasn't been mentioned

No. 2334080

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Is it worth getting on tiktok now to post art content, or is it really going to get banned and is therefor a big waste of effort and time?
I feel like I should post on more platforms for a bigger reach but idk where

No. 2334095

>>2334080
tiktok is full of retards and/or children, why do you want a platform there? to advertise your products and work or simply to build a following? i don't believe tiktok encourages building meaningful longterm connections between creators and users, everything is primarily tied to the algorithm there. you can see this with youtubers, a smaller youtuber might have a more real fans than a tiktoker, despite the tiktoker having higher number of followers.

No. 2334129

>>2334080
Honestly Tiktok art scene is a hellhole. Everyone is like a kid that is either "THATS JUST MY STYLE" to cover their bad fundamentals or a "no fun allowed" you-must-always-aim-for-realism or an aspiring animu artist that does the same drawing of Dandadan like a million times over

No. 2334312

I kind of hate posting my work online. Not because I dislike engagement, but because I want to show that I'm making something and I don't want to lose followers so I rush things and I end up hating my works 2 seconds after posting them everywhere. Then I feel like deleting everything. I think I'm just going to stop posting art online for a while because this is stressful.

No. 2334328

made a dad.gallery account as part of my new years resolution to draw better, up until now I've just been practicing gesture, any other ways to get the best out of this? it feels kinda overwhelming because I have a lot of weak spots I want to work on

No. 2334405

>>2334312
I feel you nona. I actually abandoned my art accounts earlier this year. Now I only work on what I want to make. It helps to personally show your art to friends if you're missing that connection

No. 2334409

File: 1736113998519.png (1.58 MB, 2343x1030, dutchesscelestia.png)

Does anybody else watch Dutchess Celestia? I found her as she was starting out YT and stuck around because I think she's quite mature in her takes. Most art youtubers disappoint me, but she's pretty consistent

No. 2334454

>>2334409
I stopped watching her because I got the vibe she was one of those artists who blamed her lack of improvement on outside forces rather than her own dedication.

No. 2334467

>>2334080
Youtube is better. And if you were going to aim for the Tiktok Format, aim for IG Reels and Facebook, too. Go where the fans will be sincere.

No. 2334513

>>2334328
There are many ways to go about it and I’ve often felt the same. But the more you study, your more your anxiety will fade.

My personal method is focusing on whatever I ‘need’ at a given time. For example, I was doing an illustration and I realized I hated the way I was doing hands, and I was struggling so hard. I then set a goal for myself: spend 20 hours drawing hands. While practicing hands, I also felt like the rest of my anatomy needed brushing up, so I set similar study goals.
I was doing some background painting for a film project, and I felt like I hated how I was doing it. I spent 30 hours doing speed paints, and it helped me a lot. While doing those speed paints, I also realized I wasn’t confident on my building/perspective skills, so I worked in that. I’m really happy with where my regular studying got me now.

It can seem so overwhelming, but you’ve got your whole life to improve! What matters is working on things one at a time, and not giving up. Focus on one specific thing you are most insecure about first, and then reapply the method for the rest. Ganbatte Nonna-san!

No. 2334747

>>2334409
Her videos fall under that "Artist to Commentary Channel" because blown out drama gets them more traffic. Good on her. Not my thing. Seems like it's for a younger crowd.
Youtube kept recommending me one of her videos for a whole year, so I had to tell it to stop suggesting her channel. I don't even remember what the video was, but I have an aversion to artwork that flips eyes on 3/4th views.

No. 2334800

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Well, well, look who's on instagram

No. 2334818

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Anyone know where to find pdfs of the Sketching from the Imagination series online? I’ve checked libgen, archive.org etc and only found the “Characters” book, they seem much harder to track down than other art books which is a shame because I find the artist interviews extremely useful and the sketchbook pages never fail to inspire me. I’m hoping a nonna who’s a bit more tech savvy/better at tracking down pdfs can help me.

No. 2334819

>>2334800
Is this a tranny? I swear someone said that it was one a while ago but I forgot.

No. 2334823

>>2334819
I don't even think she's a tranny tranny, just pretending to be male for some reason

No. 2334831

>>2334818
I was checking here https://fmhy.net/readingpiracyguide for you but got tired kek. Like you said, it looks like the Characters one is the only option. You can keep going if you want, I stopped at the Reading CSE.

No. 2334852

>>2334328
I think you’d benefit more from feedback from another artist one to one rather than a site full of trannies and scrotes.

No. 2334858

>>2334800
>Nigganese
Wasn't it confirmed that this person is neither black or Japanese kek

No. 2334863

>>2334818
I found a chinese translation of the first book on anna's archive, but that's it, aside from the characters book. Not sure if you want it, but I'll link it anyway. Since none of the other books are on AA, there's a good chance they're not available since AA scrapes other sites. I guess you could try checking /ic/ and requesting it?
https://annas-archive.org/md5/6e86be5b0de64d0bc7fcb6942b851c30

No. 2335030

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No. 2335031

>>2335030
>Why does my OC not get as many pity compliments as other OCs
>Clearly it's because my audience is heckin troonphobic!
>They're troonphobic against people who don't look like troons!
God, trying to please these people must be exhausting.

No. 2335032

>>2335030
Kek it looks like the two post-op TIFs are checking out the other one's ass

No. 2335034

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No. 2335040

>>2335030
>gnc
>trans man
Are they serious? Just say you're a woman with quirks but tifs would rather live in lalaland where a full on woman is actually a man. I also love their insistence that these two are valid but then cries victim about it.

No. 2335062

>>2334409
I generally avoid art commentary youtubers. I don't like her art and the few videos I did watch of hers didn't really add much to the topic she was discussing. She seems concerned about having 'the right opinion' than presenting anything she has to say in any interesting way, so she's more background noise than engaging channel.

No. 2335097

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>>2334409
On the topic of YT art channels, I've always thought LavenderTowne's technical skills, art style, and redesigns are terrible. Her channel is very successful though so good for her.

No. 2335118

Since we're on the topic of art commentary, JuniDrawz is a newer channel that's been gaining traction and she pisses me the fuck off because she goes for whatever drama is hot and will literally just list crimes of art minors have committed. I had adult men coerce me into creating real life CSEM between the ages of 12 and 15 yet in her newest video she cites a minor drawing porn of people around her age as creating CSEM and I cannot fucking stand these terms getting watered down. A child drawing porn of another child is weird and needs parental intervention but it's not CSEM, fuck off with that shit.

No. 2335329

>>2334800
why does she draw herself as either a fat fuck or a buff bear when shes a skinny/normal looking woman?

No. 2335427

>>2334405
>earlier this year
It hasn't even been a week kek

No. 2335430

>>2335329
Probably because moids make porn of girls' and women's cartoon self inserts if they're attractive

No. 2335616

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I know its retarded but it pisses me off Miss Jisu was taught by KJG yet all she draws is mediocre generic pretty girls. Why couldnt she steal the good things from him? like his proclivity for drawing vehicles, machinery and insane perspective. Instead she just latched onto his worst trait. At least there are a few kjg clones out there that actually draw like him but without the cum.

No. 2335712

>>2335430
not sure that's it since she sexualizes her moidsona a lot

No. 2335729

>>2334831
>>2334863
Thanks nonnas, that’s pretty much what I expected— although I’m a little surprised that no one has scanned any of the other books since they’re pretty popular among artists. My city’s big library has some of them, so I’ll just get them there— the loan times are really short and it’s far away from where I live which is why I was hoping to find them online.

No. 2335780

>>2335616
I feel like this goes to support that you can learn how to draw but there is also an innate talent component, or maybe he was just not a very good teacher kek

No. 2335814

>>2335780
I think it proves just having a teacher and being literally hand held by them isnt enough if you as an artist dont want to get out of your comfort zone. I think kjg genuinely, really loved drawing and enjoyed the limitless aspect of it. Meanwhile jisu and other artists like her probably just like the attention they get from it.

No. 2335962

>>2335062
>She seems concerned about having 'the right opinion'
Exactly what I feel. She does that thing I notice quite a few female commentary channels (not just art related) do where they'll feel the need to force a billion unnecessary disclaimers across the video. Hypothetical example, if she made a video about art tropes she doesn't like and one of those was pure black shading she would spend at least three whole minutes going on like "usually it's advised to not use pure black shading, but now, I'm not saying nobody should ever use it. Some people like using it in their style, and that's super valid. This is up to personal taste, and it's possible to make it work. I would never tell you not to use it, because people that judge others' style are toxic assholes and I would never want to be like that. You're so valid and I support you and your pure black shading". I mostly only watch her "[x] art tropes I hate", and they're particularly bad in that because she always feels the need to go on a tangent about how it's ok if you like these things because cringe culture is bad at least two or three times per video. Her specific opinions don't even matter to me, it's the redundantly eggshelly way of talking that annoys me.
Completely OT but she reminds of a video from a female commentary channel I once saw going over a shock/gore content iceberg, where she not only gave a full disclaimer at the beginning (understandable) but then on almost every single topic she kept going on weirdly sanctimonious diatribes/disclaimers, eg: if a cartel video was mentioned she would just spend five minutes telling the viewer that she doesn't wanna talk about it because cartels are bad and killing people is bad and cartel members are bad people because they kill people, which is bad, as if the viewer was a 5yo.

>>2334800
>>2334858
If I didn't know her, that "nigganese" would make me assume this is a troll pretending to be her. Did she mention making an insta on her twitter?

>>2335097
>Nonny doesn't remember when every LT video would get immedeatly posted in these threads for nonnas to throw salt at
But yea, from what I recall most nonnas used to agree with your opinion, ie: she has bizarrely bad fundamentals for someone with an art degree, she clearly churns out bad unpolished art so she can keep posting videos, and she's the poster child of muh-artstyle based stagnation, but she seems pretty normie so you can't really be much more than mildly annoyed at her for managing to game the system and successfully chasing the bag. Also, her hatedom is absolutely deranged.

No. 2335964

>>2335097
I used to watch LavenderTowne a lot back around like 2016-2017 but I eventually stopped watching and in hindsight I don't know why I ever found her style appealing because nowadays I find it very tacky and an eyesore. I deep down always thought this but I also thought her work was cute in a way but that view has since went away and now I just can't look at it. It's definitely unique in the sense that you when you see it, you know it's a LavenderTowne piece but is it good? Eh… Debatable.

I think the reason why she was so successful was because she was one of the first who really took the speedpaint commentary style and uploaded frequently with lots of stories to share, she was great to put on for background noise and at the time, there weren't a ton of a speedpaint commentary artists who were uploading at such a frequency like she was. So I think her success was justifiably earned even if her style isn't the most appealing.

No. 2335972

>>2335118
I've seen a few of her videos and I understand your frustration as I've noticed how she is overdramatizes certain situations when it involves minors. It probably doesn't help that I'm in my 30s and have been on YouTube since the early days including the earlier days of art commentary back when it was called "DeviantART ranting" and the scenarios back then were just petty internet drama and then it all escalated to predators and grooming and all that and it got so draining to hear about. So then you have people like JuniDrwz who say the shit that you mentioned like how minors drawing porn of other minors is CSEM when it just isn't and all it is is inappropriate and more than likely a response to our porn saturated culture that has minors finding it on social media like Twitter (and before then Tumblr) and how it's so easily accessible for kids these days than it was for a lot of us who grew up in the late 90s and 2000s.

I think it's because she's like 18 or 19 and wants to feel self-righteous in calling stuff out but doesn't realize that this is not one of them.

No. 2335980

>>2334409
I sometimes watch her content and I've been aware of her since her earlier days as well.The topics she comes up with are a bit sophomore to me but I think that's because I'm also a lot older than her and some of the topics she talks about are some I've already engaged with in the past and the few times I tried to give a listen to her on topics I'm already familiar with, I just didn't get any useful or frankly interesting insight from her so I stopped watching them. Her art style leaves a lot to be desired but it probably doesn't help that I'm not a big fan of traditional full-on anime styles and hers just looks super generic and bland, nothing really stands out so her videos at the time were mostly just background noise. I agree with >>2335062 with how it seems like she tries to say the right opinion and it comes off as insecure and disingenuous which probably explains why sometimes when she's commentating, she sounds like she's on the verge of crying, she has a very strange quality to her voice that always made me feel like she was holding back tears or something.

Overall she's an inoffensive channel at best but not one I'm all that into.

No. 2335993

>>2335962
>You.Are.Valid
Anon you totally nailed another aspect of what I really loathe about Duchess' content, her whole "it's okay, you're VALID" BS that she always resorts to when she's talking about something that she doesn't like. Like girl just shut up, it's okay to have things you don't like and you don't need to go on a 3 minute tangent trying to soften up those who may not agree with you, that is what the comments are for. When in the middle of a video, no one wants to sit around and hear you try to weasel your way out of potential counter feedback with pointless fluff and it just makes you look like you lack a backbone with your own opinions.
This is not to say you have to be a jerk when sharing why you don't like something but for the love of god, stop with the redundant sanctimonious filler.

No. 2335999

>>2335040
It's really annoying but you know deep down these women don't truly believe that they are men, there's a reason why many of them don't seek out and try to befriend normie men and stay within their TIF filled fandom spaces.

No. 2336119

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I'm broke so I have to start up a side-hustle on art.

Have nonnas here ever been "cancelled", even on a small scale of one person screeching at you? If so, how did you handle it? I think ignoring/blocking is the effective solution, but I'm not exactly sure on how much the landscape has changed compared to ~2014 and it seems more intimidating than before if I'm being honest.
My biggest fear is if I get unlucky and a schizo fakes screenshots and tries to ruin my life or something like that.

No. 2336368

>>2336119
this isnt going to happen, you are not going to get popular enough to get cancelled. That only happens to big accounts. No one cares what some random does on the internet, there are literally thousands of lolifags still on twitter who havent been cancelled.

No. 2336401

>>2336119
Never befriend or cater to queer and trans, conspiracy theorists, minors, or any political group and you'll be fine.

No. 2336445

>>2336119
Ignore it but don't pander to wokes or political spergs in the first place

No. 2336458

>>2336119
i got cancelled once for calling a tranny a she when she went by he/him now,
fuck all happened. after a couple weeks of angry DM's my life continued like usual
dont associate with retards in the first place and your audience wont have any overlap with them

No. 2336512

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not really art salt but more of an art appreciation; artists like @U4Lo6 restore faith in me that people in the modern day are capable of drawing like the old masters and that the talents are not lost to time. picrel is fanart for a dc comic

No. 2336521

>>2336512
i wont deny the artist's talent, but trying to integrate this level of classical aesthetics into dc comic shlop is lowkey embarassing. the juxtaposition makes it tacky.

No. 2336528

>>2336521
honestly id take this 10000 times over all those shitty fandom copies of lucifer, klimt's the kiss, almost anything from leyendecker or mucha and any other popular or easily recognizeable classical art that becomes twitter's latest art meme subject.

No. 2336532

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>>2336512
>people in the modern day are capable of drawing like the old masters
The art is nice but that’s a reach kek. It just seems like she looked at classical paintings and was inspired to make capeshit yaoi in photoshop.

No. 2336545

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>>2336512
>>2336532
god bless chinese fujos for bishifying even the ugliest of male characters

No. 2336548

>>2336119
people tried calling me a pedophile for things that happened a decade ago when i was 16 yet the world kept spinning
>>2336458 this anon is right, so long as you don't associate with the usual suspects you'll be fine and things will keep going eventually. you'll find your audience. there are people who literally dated minors in their twenties who got to keep their careers somehow

No. 2336554

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>>2336521
That's not a new thing though. picrel is Alex Ross' work for DC. Sometimes capeshit comics will have the most stunningly beautiful art for absolutely no reason, then in the next breath it will be some bullshit.

No. 2336568

>>2336554
This looks like shit honestly. Realistic styles dont look good for capeshit, they look too goofy.

No. 2336575

>>2336568
not to mention the women look tacky as fuck. my god. i sometimes think people on tiktok are overdramatic about pointing out sexualization but feminists in the late 20th century-early 21st were seriously onto something because these are all stripper outfits.

No. 2336589

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I feel like the biggest difference between online styles between eastern and western artists is how a lot of eastern artists prefer portraying idealized subjects and many western artists are taught to portray less idealized subjects. I also feel like this has impacted how a lot of retards act online, like how many weebs can't stomach anything less than bishies in their games or movies and how western fandoms think it's a form of activism to always draw a minority as some ugly animal. I just think it's neat to notice.

No. 2336592

>>2336589
> like how many weebs can't stomach anything less than bishies in their games or movies
Based. Also the ''idealized'' thing only applies to women, you can find plenty of ugly as sin male characters like Kaiji, golden kamui and the entirity of baki. But moids dont care, they only care about women looking hot and underage.

No. 2336602

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>>2336589
>ugly animal
My mind went to picrel

No. 2336625

>>2336512
If you want to see art done like the masters just look at the Russian and Chinese art schools and anything that comes out of an ARC affiliated atelier, artists with that type of skill and style are churned out every year but it just isn't very popular in the western online art world because it's old fashioned and not conducive to the cult of celebrity artist
Forgive me for sounding jaded but the only thing standing between most artists and the skills of the masters is having rich parents to hothouse you in the right art school

No. 2336639

>>2336592
Now that you mention, people who love drawing fictional characters as extremely ugly only do it to women too. If it's men, they draw them super handsome, at most they'll draw old men yaoi. Maybe it's in protest to beauty standards for women, but these fuckers ALWAYS draw these characters as so much uglier than any of these women irl actually are. They'll go "and why do you think these features are ugly, hmmmm?" when it's literally that they're depicting them ugly on purpose. The women they're trying to give "representation to" are actually just fat with a plain face but they make them look like goblins and call it "POC features".

No. 2336641

>>2336639
tbh its not hard to find people that actually look like that in wokey circles. They dont look any different from the average pronouns in bio haver deathfat.

No. 2336670

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while i do like the ai pic, the quote tweet guy is genuinely retarded. thoughts?

No. 2336685

>>2336670
Nobody will defend ai like a retarded grifter without any internal talent or ability that feels it levels out the playing field and strips humans of individual skills

No. 2336693

>>2336639
>people who love drawing fictional characters as extremely ugly only do it to women too
I don't think you've seen the fat & ugly fetish art that TIF artists draw of their husbandos.

No. 2336694

>>2336532
Unrelated but where can I download a pencil like this. The value scale looks so good.

No. 2336696

>>2336670
Its ugly as hell though, like tkmz but somehow shittier

No. 2336700

>>2336670
This is AI?

No. 2336704

>>2334852
nta but where are the best places for this?

No. 2336707

>>2334852
you dont get feedback on dad, its just to track your progress. You are going to find trannies and scrotes everywhere anyways.

No. 2336714

>>2336670
blurry sketch image of generic anime school girls walking in a flower field is seen as "shocking" and "melancholy". ok, retard.

No. 2336738

>>2336670
This guy's a psychopath in addition to being a midwit, he went viral a while ago for saying that he doesn't care if detrans kids get sterilized and regret it because it's natural selection, and they are inferior to STEM troons. His entire account reeks

No. 2336760

>>2336670
I really don't see the soul in this like people say. It's literally a few scratches forming two vague anime girls. The AI was most likely trained on artists doing that exact same thing and shat out an amalgamation of it.

No. 2336761

>>2336670
I was immediately able to clock it as AI

No. 2336771

>>2336760
I wouldn't think it was impressive even if a human made it

No. 2336782

>>2336670
>better than 90% of art
>it's muh japanese schoolgirls only scribbly
moids are creatively, aesthetically and spiritually dead

No. 2336802

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>>2336782
Ngl I'm whatever about anime and shit but I've grown to absolutely despise the schoolgirl outfit and every damn thing that tries to make it deep/spooky/symbolic/edgy/fashion/whatever the fuck. It's been done thousands and thousands of times and it's all shallow as shit.

No. 2336842

This indie cartoon mentioned in previous threads is nearing completion of its pilot apparently. It has 52 kingdoms (including names like Fabrication, Particle and Intuition lmao) and each kingdom represents a specific culture. I feel like this sort of "diversitymaxxing" behaviour is common among artists these days, which I guess has its pros and cons. But honestly can you even consider it representation if said character shows up for 10 seconds because there are 100 other characters to compete with for screen time? Imo I feel like less is more so you can explore each culture in depth. Maybe this sort of stuff will actually help boost the cartoon's popularity once it comes out, judging by the comments full of kids begging for their own countries' rep

Also the character designs are shit and don't do a good job representing different countries imo

No. 2336846

>>2336670
>It's shocking and induces emotions
>Two scribbly anime girls walking up a hill

No. 2336848

>>2336842
Imo the names could work if each kingdom pigeonholes themselves into a specific industry in the name of ~keeping order~ or whatever, but it's still lazy kek

No. 2336863

>>2336802
aren't these outdated too? it comes off as fetishy when modern school uniforms don't look like this anymore and hell a lot of japanese schools don't even have uniforms anymore

No. 2336867

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>>2336782
>>2336802
Women are far better at capturing that feeling of melancholy with adult men, moids just can't feel anything without attaching coom to it.

No. 2336873

>>2336863
They aren't as common as they used to be but they are still worn. It used to be more of a default but now it's mostly middle schools that use sailor-styled uniforms. High schools switched to blazers and button ups.

No. 2336876

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>>2336873
>Middle schools
Ah. So it's even worse than I thought.

No. 2336890

>>2336842
52 kingdoms with a "unique" culture? man, that's a pretty rigid worldbuilding for this kind of story if you ask me, i wonder where they'll go with the plot

No. 2336898

>>2336890
52 also seems like a lot to me. Even if the characters are travelling around, I don't see how they're gonna give every culture an equal amount of rep, which is the kind of thing I imagine their target audience would be very upset by.

No. 2336904

>>2336842
they are biting off more than they can chew and will dilute the memorability of the brand they are trying to create but I wish them luck anyway

No. 2336939

>>2336602
This is the most racist thing I’ve seen in a long time. Jesus

No. 2336982

>>2336842
I don't like this kind of world building because you can't really get lost in it. It's "Germany" "Turkey" "Mexico" not whatever fantasy world they have.

but it's whatever I guess, it's not that serious yeah the character designs aren't good and lacks creativity but it's not that different from a "cultures book" for kids.

But i still hope they do well, rooting for indie cartoons even if they're cringe inducing.

No. 2336989

>>2336898
I mean giving equal representation to every culture is a pointless, if not impossible task anyway, my main concern is where the action takes place. Stuff like what kingdoms are more important than others or where's the designated adventureland. You need specific locations to navigate the plot around, I don't see why is it important to have 52 seemingly equal districts. And if majority of the story is happening in a magical academy, that excessive worldbuilding is pure derail. But you're right nonna, them giving false promises of total inclusivity is gonna bite them back in the ass.

No. 2336994

>>2336119
"Any pr is good pr" maxx
I think people kind of don't care?
I lost count at all the artists accused of racism for sticking with a colour palette.
I think the landscape has calmed down because there are so many people to point fingers at. It's recognised as unhinged online behaviour. But best tactic is to always ignore ignore ignore.
Like >>2336368 said you're not that big anyway so why care? Unless you're like Loish and have been around for 10 years and your whole brand revolves around progressivism then no one cares

No. 2337046

>>2336554
>the most stunningly beautiful art
>focal point is wonder woman's pussy
yeah no dog

No. 2337061

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is this really an issue for some people?

No. 2337066

>>2337061
Don't forget their gacha pulls kek

No. 2337068

>>2336554
I like the textures and how Black Canary looks but I'm not a big fan of this style for capeshit.

No. 2337069

>>2337061
Yes, especially when they claim to be an artist but mostly sperg about fandom. I don't care about your hot takes, post art.

No. 2337080

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>>2337069
>>2337061
Reminds me of that Jayce or whatever TIF, takes me back. Nonstop sperging about retarded shit and the occasional rare shitty ms paint scribble (picrel is her's I'm fairly certain), all while demanding to be known as an artist rather than the instigator of every art drama on Twitter and Tumblr for a good while. Those were some sunny days.

No. 2337130

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Wanted to find out more about the art preferences of the nonnies itt, so post work from your favorite artists!

No. 2337134

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>>2337130
yoh yoshinari

No. 2337139

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No. 2337149

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No. 2337151

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>>2337061
This is why I miss tumblr + twitter is the shittiest platform to host art.

tumblr
>go on an artist's page and click the tags/fandom you specifically want
>can easily discover new artist in the search tags of searching your favorite media
>block functions actually work

meanwhile twitter
>artists either have to optimize their posts by limiting shit or force viewers to slog through irrelevant shit just to get the one image from one fandom they want
>searching favorite characters (especially in japanese) just gives you either announcements (with zero new art) or cringe LARP accounts
>blocking tags is nearly impossible because nobody uses them lmfao good luck

This is why I get peeved when artists create shit like: "twitter but for artists!" MOTHERFUCKER CREATE ANOTHER TUMBLR

No. 2337159

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>>2337130
outing myself as a weeb but Kira Imai

No. 2337161

>>2337066
When I see gacha pulls or a lot of food pictures I just close the tab and assume they don't even draw. It's not hard to make a more personal account when you can sperg about random shit.

No. 2337164

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>>2337130
I'm pretty normie with my art likes but I really enjoy Keiko Fukuyama's artwork especially her pokemon stuff.

No. 2337169

>>2337130
I like this artist work but she definitely panders to moids. Isn’t her boyfriend some alt right artist or something? (Correct me if I’m wrong.)

No. 2337187

>>2337151

This is my feeling exactly! Tumblr was perfect for artists and art fans alike! It's tagging system cannot be beat. It's For You page actually contains things the user has looked looking up and tags they follow. It's nothing like Twitter, which slips in shitty popular posts.

No. 2337192

>>2337187
To this day I still think tumblr was the best social media platform I ever used, but everyone I knew (and me) moved away from it already and to be fair it WAS a massive cesspool of wokeism… my ideal art platform would basically be a brand new tumblr but without the gender stuff and no AI allowed

No. 2337211

>>2337192
>>2337187
>>2337151
why are you speaking like tumblr got deleted off the internet? did it get changed so much it sucks now?? i don't have an account so i wouldn't know

No. 2337233

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>>2337130
>>2337169
Wow, magnagallina/chickenwithtie/rottenchicken is such a blast from the past. I used to have mutual friends with her as a teenaged themlet and remember when people tried to run her off of Tumblr for terfism, kek.
The last time I checked in on her she was making weird scrotey porn of Aztec chiefs and blonde white missionary women under the name popthesnowman (which she seems to have wiped from the internet since) and whining about how ugly modern Western infrastructure is compared to muh Roman Empire. I thought she was a lesbian for the longest time, but the idea that she came under the influence of a moid makes sense looking at what she's been up to in recent years. I always liked her art style, what happened?

No. 2337258

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>>2337169
>Isn’t her boyfriend some alt right artist or something
He is? I've only seen his art once or twice, I never bothered with looking through his page until now, his wife's work is more interesting

>>2337233
Not surprised that she makes porn, perhaps she wiped the account to sanitize her image? Iirc she's works for a video game

No. 2337262

>>2335097
Lavendertowne feels almost nostalgic to me because I tried so hard to copy her style when I was 13 and caught up in the internet “you must find your super unique art style” craze. And then I dropped it pretty quickly because I realized the style is so unversatile, you can’t really draw a range of people when they all turn into (functionally) same face blobs, AND there’s no room for improvement whatsoever— in such a cartoony style unless you’re taking up animation or interesting painting or something there is nowhere to really improve without changing the style outright. I can’t believe she’s still almost 10 years later making basically the same art and the same videos, I would be really upset with myself if I’d been doing art as a full time job and seen almost no skill development. Maybe I’m not being fair, I haven’t watched her videos in a long time, but from the thumbnails it doesn’t look like she’s doing anything new.

No. 2337326

>>2337211
Tumblr is fine now, most of the weirdos left after the pornban and those that were deep into drama/callouts moved on to twitter or tiktok. You'll just get really low numbers compared to twitter because the userbase is so small and it's difficult to get discovered unless you do fanart. If I post something on tumblr it'll get maybe 100-300 likes in a day but my twitter posts will get that much within 20 minutes. Getting 10k followers on tumblr took me 4 years but on twitter it takes like 3-6 months (I tend to abandon accounts there and make new ones). I still prefer tumblr though, reading tags and anon asks is fun and it feels calmer than twitter.

No. 2337343

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>>2337130
asoi00

No. 2337413

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>>2337130
for modern artists I enjoy the works of Diesel2b

No. 2337482

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>>2337130
forever seething over the fact ill never get a physical copy of her comic

No. 2337493

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>>2337130
I am going to get shit on for this, but kjg is my absolute favourite. I also like claude wiesbuch, juan jimenez and Carl Spitzweg

No. 2337517

>>2337482
These shapes and muted colors are so good. This is the kind of vibe I want in my digital art

No. 2337705

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>>2337130
Nightcrow(ing) is a recent favorite of mine. I'm indifferent to her (?) furry-adjacent stuff but her Computationalism series is gorgeous, I'd like to get framed prints of it soon.

No. 2337767

>>2337211
I don't want to go back, it was great at its height but that ship has sailed and the site has been riddled with bots for a while. I rarely use Twitter anymore for the same reason, I really can't stand it when sites can't keep bots under control.

No. 2337787

>>2337482
I'm sad that she stopped drawing her creatures or pretty men. I can't understand how she can be so obsessed with Detroit become human to this day, she posts rarely and when she does it's that. Good for her if she enjoys it but man…

No. 2337857

>>2337767
Instagram is dying because of the AI and ads. What is there even next for posting art?

No. 2337894

>>2337151
the tumblr nsfw ban was the single worst thing to happen to fandom and artists as a whole.

No. 2337915

I come to terms with the fact my art will never be as good as the masters and that's okay. I don't care if someone suggest my art looks like the mona lisa as criticism, I made my bed and I'm gonna lie on it. Sometimes it's out of love, sometimes it's out of need of potential, but I've tried and I simply don't have the hands nor mind for it. If my art does end up good, that's cool too.

No. 2337922

>>2337767
They tank them intentionally, too. There was too much social democracy on all these popular apps and they knew flooding it with bots and ads for shitty companies, they'd take control and strip people of the ability to flourish on their own unless they're in a specific percentile. I could go on about this lol but I'm sure you know what I mean

No. 2337938

Hm. I really miss old art forums and like old-school dA before it got flooded with fetish trash. I wonder what the next art centric site will be or if they'll ever be one. I still remember some of the most fun I had talking about art not anonymously was on this dinky little site that was for a tiny comic publisher but maybe I'm just looking at things through rose colored glasses.

No. 2337958

>>2337915
Same. It’s very freeing actually.

No. 2337959

What in your opinion IS the best platform for artists nowdays? Or even the least bad option?

No. 2337976

>>2337915
I will never be happy until i can get good enough, its painful

No. 2337983

>>2337976
problem is that you will never feel good enough in the moment. comparison is the thief of joy and you will certainly feel it as you draw and draw.
the only way out is to wait and see your artwork with new eyes. It'll go from "absolutely horrible horrific" to "its not that bad after all"

No. 2338012

>>2337983
That leads to mediocrity and stagnation. Something i noticed from the japanese artists i follow is they are always complaining about not being good enough and forcing themselves to study more even they would be consired ''pros'' by most people.

No. 2338135

>>2338012
Honest question, why do you draw?

No. 2338163

>>2338135
Because i enjoy being able to depict anything i want on paper. That's why i want to be good too, i dont want to be limited by my lack of skill on what i can or cannot draw.

No. 2338170

File: 1736307210860.png (1.15 MB, 903x1018, miguel esqueleto.png)

Does anyone know where can i pirate daz3d models? or where can i find a 3D posing app that allows me to pose skeletons?

No. 2338174

>>2337915
what's the point of drawing if I can't make renaissance masterpieces of my husbando

No. 2338176

>>2337857
Newgrounds seems like the next best option, but it's rife with coomshit

No. 2338180

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i keep seeing these poses in pinterest when looking for pose ideas, does anynonna know where are they from? i like what ive seen. alternatives would be nice too.

No. 2338196

>>2337915
How did you find this mindset anon? One of the main reasons why i got into art was over competition and being better than the next guy over. It honestly sucks and I want to foster a better relationship with it.

No. 2338197

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>>2336592
>Baki
Why did you made me remember this pic?

No. 2338199

>>2338163
Nayrt same Nonna. I get tard rage if I don’t draw exactly what I see in my head or I’m not satisfied with the outcome kek. I am also petty and want to better than art rivals

No. 2338204

>>2337976
NTA but you will never feel good enough. That's the whole thing. You only have two choices, either you pursue good enough and be unhappy or you accept that you will never feel good enough and pursue happiness.

No. 2338205

>>2338204
I would rather just keep practicing while never letting the progress get to my head.

No. 2338211

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>>2338180
It's called 'キャラクターをつくろう! 少女イラスト見本帖 制服コレクション編'. Unfortunately there is no official English translation so you have to do it yourself or try to guess what the book is saying

No. 2338228

>>2338012
Sorry to say it but you will never be ‘good’. I don’t know how old you are but I assume older than 18, and you’re not good already? Girl I’m sorry but you’re cooked. There are literally thousands of people younger than you who are already way better at art than you are or ever will be.
Just focus on yourself, your journey. As long as you’re better than the day before, as long as you have something to say, that’s all that matters.

No. 2338231

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No. 2338238

>>2338228
Why are you projecting this hard onto me. I never compared myself to anyone, i want to get better for myself. If you want to keep being mediocre forever be my guest, but you are doing the same shit you are complaining about by wallowing in your own misery and ''acepting'' your mediocrity as an artist instead of trying to improve. All the anons who are saying they just accepted they will never be good enough are just big fat losers that dont want to put the effort into improving, the kind of people that will be forever coping about their lack of skill and hiding behind ''i just draw for fun'' or ''muh style''.

No. 2338245

>>2338228
I know good artists that started way after 18…

No. 2338250

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>>2338245
hopefuel, thank you. my new year resolution is to catch up after wasting the majority of my teens. i've been drawing almost daily ever since the year started and i'm starting classes soon, we may be barack…

>>2338211
i found a book from 2005 in english with the same-ish poses in the internet archive: https://archive.org/details/letsdrawmangabod0000ozaw/mode/1up

have any other nonas tried this book before? do you recommend taking poses from books like this one?

No. 2338257

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>>2338238
I agree nona, I don't know how AYRT got that out you clearly saying you want to grind to get good. Different people have different goals in their art and different ways to get satisfaction from it, I love to grind and do studies day in day out because I want to be a great and technically skilled artist. I have more goals and plans than that but it's the main thing that keeps the fire going for me.
>>2338228
>I don’t know how old you are but I assume older than 18, and you’re not good already? Girl I’m sorry but you’re cooked.
Oh shush, you talk like someone born in 2004-2007. Being able to make art is a technical skill at its core, all you have to do is train it efficiently. Same for the theory side of things, you just need to read about and look at art. You don't lose all your neuroplasticity and get dementia the instant you turn 18. All the amazing young artists either have enough time on their hands to put the work into it, come from a well off arty family, or have been emotionally and sometimes even physically abused (corporeal punishment) to make art better than you (aka Russian and Chinese art school students). The similarity between all of these is time and effort, being a child has nothing to do with it and so many of these young artists end up plateauing or even degrading over time.

No. 2338281

>>2338228
nona vincent van gogh started painting when he was 27

No. 2338298

Some artists that started learning art after their twenties:
>Louise Bourgeois
>Kandinsky
>Katherine Bradford
>Henri Matisse
>Carmen Herrera
There are a lot more that I can't remember now. Please don't lose hope in your art, nonitas

No. 2338312

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>>2338281
nta but horrible examples considering his lack of skill. He's the ancient version ''its muh style!!!''

No. 2338314

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>>2338298
Why are you posting modern artist scammers to prove your point? anyone can open ms paint and do what carmen herrera does regardless of age. Pic rel is a better example because it actually shows skill.

No. 2338331

>>2338228
loser mindset

No. 2338333

File: 1736318029865.png (1.12 MB, 595x722, 5541619.png)

>>2338312
Still made some cool stuff

No. 2338334

>>2338333
I drew this

No. 2338348

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>>2338312
NTA and I hate him as much as any anon but the "muh style" excuse actually does work for him as the Impressionism movement was trying to be abstract and experimental. If you look at his early work and his portraits when he was still doing Realism you'd see he does have skill (not shown properly here due to crunchy artifacts). Are you going to say Monet was a shit artist because he made Weeping Willow (1922)?

No. 2338354

>>2338204
you can also choose option three: accept that the road to getting good is long and hard but realize that's also a good thing because it means you have a lot left to learn, and learning is fun. learning is good and healthy for your mind and soul (and especially your brain). it's completely possible to both be happy and still not feel like your art is good enough yet but only if you don't get all mentally ill blackpill about it

No. 2338356

>>2338228
Just because you suck at learning art doesn't mean everyone else is kekkk

No. 2338357

>>2338314
Your mom is my skill

No. 2338365

>>2338312
>>2338314
>b-but muh skills!
is an artist only skilled if it their art is extremely realistic? does style, soul and creativity count for nothing? this twitter artist is boring as hell to me. at least Van Gogh makes me feel something.

No. 2338386

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>>2338365
It is when we are talking about people losing their minds for picking up art too late. Anyone can do pic rel in 3 microseconds, but getting good at the fundamentals takes years. That's why its retarded to give van gogh as an example and not an actually skilled artist. I find van gogh ugly and overrated, the movie about him was great though.

No. 2338389

>>2338228
Go back to /ic/ retard

No. 2338397

>>2337976
Same. Art is one of the very few consistent things in my life amd I cannot live with myself knowing I spent essentially my entire life on it, only for it to be "mediocre". I'm sorry, but I can't accept it. I did not spend years and years on drawing just for it to be "okay" or "fine" or "decent". I won't be able to live with myself

No. 2338433

>>2337061
my art account has been doing a lot better since I cleaned it up. People go look through your gallery -years- to see your drawings. I just use an alt account to chat and joke now. It all comes down to how you want to use your social media of course but if you work freelance it helps to keep a "professional" portfolio account.

No. 2338443

>>2338170
did you try googling it and scrolling down?
Not sure how accurate it would actually be though.

No. 2338491

File: 1736335430359.jpg (657.29 KB, 2003x2403, 8272.jpg)

Something I’ve been finding concerning is people obviously inexperienced in art falsely accusing artists of using AI over details that aren’t even that weird.

No. 2338525

>>2338491
I'm really dreading the possibility of timelapses becoming expected of posting art on the internet now. I like working between different devices and programs that don't include timelapse recording and I don't want to set up a screen recorder every time I draw. That being said I do think some of these "accusations" are probably fake or vendettas. wildhart_z is routinely an annoying retard and engagement baits all the time so in this particular case I honestly think that DM is fake. Sucks for the other artist though.

No. 2338531

>>2338250
just as an FYI if you don't already know, you should look up art books on sites like e-hentai since a lot are uploaded there. Here's another by the same author. You can make a copy of the poses and then adjust to draw you character on top if you want which is what the author advises if you aren't good enough to copy the pose. Sometimes using refs very directly makes me feel weird too but "actual" artists use references all the time.
https://e-hentai.org/g/779395/a76cd6da46/

No. 2338535

>>2338491
I can't tell what the circled spaces' issues are even meant to be kek. Is it because the hair is "folded"?

No. 2338737

>>2338531
thank you so much! this is very helpful, happy drawing to all of you nonas!

No. 2338739

>>2338491
ngl I automatically assume these are faked. There was a period of time where artists loved faking DMs of people being exaggeratedly rude to them about their commission prices or demanding free art, now it's AI accusations.

No. 2338794

>>2338491
I always thought these dms were from aibros trying to bait artists

No. 2338810

File: 1736356095097.jpg (28.06 KB, 400x560, bf8e358142ff076ce9b498fd7b90e6…)

mfw I'm drawing fanart of a character and looking up references and someone else's fanart mogs mine in every way

No. 2338901

>>2338739
can't help but feel the same, it's basically just engagement baiting
>>2338525
>I'm really dreading the possibility of timelapses becoming expected of posting art on the internet now.
Same, I get "stage fright" or whatever and can't even draw when I know someone is looking and I find it embarrassing if it shows how many times I started something over or when I used tools to resize my wonky anatomy… basically I'd have to get everything perfect on the first try to not feel too embarrassed to post it.

No. 2338944

>>2338174
I draw because it makes me happy even when I wanna toss my tablet across the room.
>>2338196
Stop comparing yourself to other people, you can get better later. Focus on what you want instead of what others want. Then, how you feel about yourself will improve. It will be long but I'm rooting for you nonna.

No. 2338958

>>2336639
>only do it to women too
I wished that was remotely true, but it's not. There are plenty of bishies being drawn in horrific ways.

No. 2338986

>>2338944
What if what you want is to be really good at art?

No. 2339026

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No. 2339036

File: 1736366926917.jpg (1.27 MB, 3507x2477, Bathing Women theo van rysselb…)

>>2337130
picrel
>>2337061
yes, it's why i made a rule for myself to never post any images other than my art. if i really have to post something, i'll delete it later so it doesn't shit up my media tab

No. 2339039

File: 1736367133450.jpg (69.74 KB, 724x470, 1000018856.jpg)

>>2337130
The fact that this watercolor is crazy to me

No. 2339082

>>2337959
Unironically tiktok
>Can just post whatever you want
>Don't need to post fanart
>so many trends just slap your work on it
>Reel/video or carousel, either work.
>Don't even need to post full proper version if you're worried about people stealing your work
>wips, speedpaint, finished work, screenshot with the app/software visible, a picture that shows your tablet + workspace + art, anything goes.
>Slap on trendy music for a guaranteed hit
>Jump on the hundreds of micro trends

You just need to put a bit more effort if you want to form a community but it's been the most worth it platform for me.
On twitter I feel like I'm just talking to myself. Tumblr has only been good for fanart.

No. 2339193

>>2339082
Are you american anon? If you aren’t, do you think it’ll be worth it for americans to hop on the app or is it too late? The whole idea of tiktok getting banned has made me stay away even though it does seem promising.

No. 2339235

>>2338986
That's cool but why? What drives you to improve? For me, I want to better fit what appears in my mind and hopefully make art I want to see.

No. 2339285

>>2329586
They look lazy because this arts style is best for animation which would typically also include background art. This is the worst art style you could have while being a typical social media artist that only ever does flat colored or white backgrounds, but really, it sucks for illustrative work in general

No. 2339296

File: 1736380074435.jpg (578.93 KB, 1080x1615, 378282.jpg)

Decided to snoop sakurablossompxl's account to see if she was still posting AI images (she is, plus sketches that don't reflect the skill in those images at all and look heavily referenced) and she's now making really weird posts referencing suicide, self harm and rape. It's all very fakeboitherottengirl-esque.

No. 2339318

>>2339285
Tbf, if getting a job in animation is what they’re after, most productions have different people doing characters and backgrounds.

No. 2339349

File: 1736382259918.jpg (1.4 MB, 1559x2121, fratboystrider.jpg)

I hate whatever self-insert/straight tif yaoi/daddydom predator fetish is going on with this artist (the gay men tattoo kek)

No. 2339352

>>2339349
>Transmasculine
>It's your average instathot
MAKE IT STOP

No. 2339361

>>2339349
>Anthy and Akio
Oh dear

No. 2339381

>>2339349
This tif is obsessed with that rapist moid from Mouthwashing

No. 2339384

>>2339381
Aren't most tifs though?

No. 2339389

>>2339384
Probably. I follow this Tif because I liked some of her pieces. She posts about the rapist character on her story all the time.

No. 2339397

>>2339349
This is exactly why I stopped following or befriending he/they tif retards. Their ocs are always ugly, unbearable, or both.

No. 2339401

>>2339397
unbearable definitely but op's characters dont look too bad without the gendie nonsense. wish artists could make a black character without having to shove 2357852 microidentities to make them relevant what a sad world

No. 2339420

>>2339318
Even if they are, their art still looks boring on their accounts without the interesting background art that it would be paired with in animation

No. 2339450

File: 1736388148265.png (1.5 MB, 900x1288, forcedtolivealoneat14.png)

>>2339296
She was saying she was forced to live alone at 14 last year and now she's saying she was taking care of her mother when she was 15 kek

No. 2339452

>>2339193
I'm not American but it feels like quite a few countries have been considering banning tiktok.

Idk it's a fun app for me as a hobby artist. Makes me want to draw more fanart for the sake of interactions and it seems fun

No. 2339576

>>2339349
I risk a ban or dogpiling for this but i legit cant see shit when black ocs are drawn this dark. The guy is straining my eyes.

No. 2339581

>>2336589
Why are you comparing a professional character designer who understands the basics of appeal (design appeal not just animu face attractiveness) to a virtue signaling literally who beginner, though? You can probably still make your point by getting both 2d character designers too.

No. 2339585

>>2339349
Honestly she should just make the short woman big man character that she wants to make so bad. I often can't tell if gendies are obnoxious assholes out of obligation or because they super desperately need to cover their tracks and try to make it seem like their oc ship is more progressive than it seems.
>obsessed with jimmy
Yeah of course. She'd be torn apart if the woman wasn't an uwu twansmasc
>TIF instathot archetype obsessed with instagram aesthetics
>uwu but not a foid though!
There are so many of these what

No. 2339594

>>2339576
It feels like they drew in a dark room with all the lights off and their tablet turned up bright, which makes sense for teenage artists

No. 2339596

>>2339576
That's because they don't have idea that dark skin also have a color temp (warm, neutral or cold), so they pick the darkest brown, the ashier the better and think "this totally work in my monitor".
Hell, at least pick the Humanae Pantone shit and see which shade works for your oc.

No. 2339670

>b-but it's my art style!!
omg she really used this excuse and made an entire video to defend her art on that argument

No. 2339687

>>2339349
Fandomtards will say they aren't into M/F because of bad heterosexual dynamics and then draw shit like this.

No. 2339981

>>2339576
Nona, are you looking at this on mobile or desktop? Just asking because I’d like more perspectives to improve my coloring for posting online. People tell me to color for mobile and no matter how much I calibrate my monitor, it looks darker/saturated versus mobile which looks more washed out, so I’ve been trying to find a middle ground for people seeing my art on desktop too.

No. 2340034

File: 1736434820659.jpg (161.22 KB, 1080x1080, 1000009970.jpg)

>>2339670
This looks ugly and the artist should try to improve instead of make art style excuses. I don't support actual harassment, but art communities online have a problem with being too hugboxy.

No. 2340036

>>2339576
It's not your fault anon, the artist is using a flat dark color for the skin without putting any light into, of course you can't see. You need more skill to paint dark skin tones imo, it's why so many zoomer diversity drawings look borderline racist. They want their characters with super dark skin, but don't know how to render it correctly, so their drawings turn out unintentionally offensive and ugly.

No. 2340057

>>2339670
>>2340034
pic rel's not the worse thing in the world but it certainly isn't "good". I think the reason younger artist fall on "art style" is learning the rules is fundamentally boring. Why draw boxes when somebody can draw right away? It doesn't hurt to learn but for some, they aren't getting into art for professional reasons. It's like a expecting a crochet hobbyist to produce a masterclass knit. Unless they're interested, that's not happening.

No. 2340069

>>2339981
Nta but I'm on mobile and my eyes hurt looking at the image too

No. 2340100

Any good twitter extensions or scrapers? I hate that you can't save pictures with the artist's name included and the extension I used to use is dead.

No. 2340162

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>>2339687
Is not "M/F", is MLM, big difference aka I hate women but is not a woman, is a tif

>>2340036
>>2340069
My monitor also shows this shade so ashy and not human-skin like. Artist should seek for real human samples than "I made this palette from my ass so you don't have to seek skin tones" and the skin tones are shit.

No. 2340251

The skin looks just fine to me. But I use dark mode, so maybe the contrast makes it more difficult when on light.

No. 2340281

File: 1736448609220.jpg (21.06 KB, 1053x554, IMG_20200309_154149.jpg)

>>2339349
>self insert is 18, inspired by anthy, anya from mouthwashing and harley quinn
>the other guy is 32, inspired by akio, the rapist guy from mouthwashing and the joker
yknow.. I wanna be optimistic and say this is just the artist venting but it's more likely this is a fanny perret situation

No. 2340284

>>2340281
KEK I love this image

No. 2340295

>>2340281
>Schmorky
What a blast from the past kekk. Why is messytails there?

No. 2340296

I hope it's ok to post this here but webtoons are usually so artistically bankrupt. 50% of it is empty space and 49% has no backgrounds. It's the laziest for of comic.

No. 2340303

>>2340281
I miss dobson nonnies. Also, yes, the artist reeks of NLOG darktok book reader.

No. 2340392

>>2340034
gotta love how she gave an asian character those squinty eyes and buckteeth

No. 2340397

>>2339349
Kek her characters look like wojaks

No. 2340461

>>2340296
Not to mention how many of them utilize 3d assets without properly blending them into their art. Or the fact that webtoon has an ai tool now that artists will abuse a la limelight. Anyway, there's a webtoon thread on m if you want to bitch more.

No. 2340470

>>2340296
They are so fucking ugly. The only good one is the from the ''queens dont cry'' meme, but the art is still trash.

No. 2340482

File: 1736458938209.jpg (59.29 KB, 1280x1418, blackjak.jpg)

>>2340397
Kek I was gonna say the same thing, them in the white background especially. The girl one looks like a genderbend of picrel

No. 2340511

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>>2340470
>the only good webtoon is the queens don't cry meme
Wtf. There are many actual fine artists who went into commercial art and are creating comics, but because Korea only exports the scroll format, the good creators that put effort into their comics are forced into a box and made to pull all-nighters to keep up with deadlines every week, literally eroding their health to the point where one artist had a miscarriage, and another artist announced she had to stop her comic before it ended because the nerves in her shoulder were so damaged the doctors said if she didn't retire now they'd have to amputate her arm. But of course the only webtoons that get mainstream attention are those with the shittiest art just for people to laugh at all those silly webtoons with overuse of 3d assets.

No. 2340586

>>2340100
ZOOM IMAGE for X(Twitter) add on, works well for me

No. 2340605

File: 1736464932237.jpeg (86.77 KB, 416x737, 2929023882.jpeg)

>>2340470
>t. doesn't read manhwa

No. 2340622

>>2339193
Yeah no, I think switching to Insta would be better since there will likely be a mass relocation to it and other social media sites if the ban goes through

No. 2340626

lmfao genice just posted to her instagram story she's working on her shop, juby is gonna be seething
>>2340622
i've had an easier time with the instagram algorithm than anywhere else, and my followers actually see my shit and interact on there.

No. 2340710

>>2340605
No, i dont. Because its ugly as fuck and manga is right there with better stories and art.

No. 2340714

>>2340710
DA but I've read hundreds of manga and manhwa and they both abide by the "only the top 10% is good" rule imo.

No. 2340727

>>2340511
>>2340605
Webtoons are not manwhas, nonas.

No. 2340743

>>2340605
Distant sky started off good, then tanked as hard as lost back in the day. I still don't understand the confusing ass ending

No. 2340745

>>2340714
Even the worst written mangas still tend to be pleasing to look at. Also, the average moefaced anime girl/boy looks miles better than the plastic surgery face manwhas and webtoons love to give to their characters.

No. 2340755

>>2339576
I wonder if it would look better for digital artist to use light line art for darker characters with dark clothes and hair

No. 2340777

>>2340470
I think it appears that way because they're geared towards young teenagers. I was obsessed with unordinary back in late 2017-2018 but looking back on it now, it's just some kid raging, calling people worthless a lot then crying when he has to face the fact he hurt people. But younger me couldn't get enough of the "omg he has a hidden secret, he's actually the strongest!!!" thing.

No. 2340791

Any nonnies who only post art just to track their progress? If so, how is it for you guys? I really want to do it this year

No. 2340794

>>2340791
I use DAD to track my progress, log the amount of time i put into drawing and force myself to keep the habit. Personally, i find it very useful. I draw for fun so i am mostly focused on improving and drawing what i like. Its good because the platform doesnt have shit like likes or follower count so you dont get discouraged from seeing better artists all the time. I recommend it if you are purely thinking about tracking your progress.

No. 2340798

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>>2340710
>>2340745
I'm not even arguing that most of them suck, but there are some pretty good ones and I think considering they're decades behind the manga industry we shouldn't be so hard on them by discrediting every single one made. Yes the 3d and brush asset abuse is horrible (manga artists also do this but whatever I suppose), yes they're ugly as fuck a lot of the time because of the colouring or stylisation but that doesn't take away from the fact that some look great and have really interesting stories to tell. They're not all in the same style either, that criticism is like if I brought up picrel everytime you wanted to talk about manga.
>>2340727
True, but anons are obviosly talking about manhwa and manhua and not western webtoons.
>>2340743
Very disappointing that it didn't live up to it's potential. The Lost comparison is excellent kek.

No. 2340802

>>2340798
Even if the stories were amazing the format and artstyle still sucks.

No. 2340805

File: 1736479105015.jpeg (53.36 KB, 773x397, T14162936.jpeg)

>>2340802
Again, they have different art styles. I don't like the scrolling format either.

No. 2340806

>>2340794
I might try that, thanks nona! I'm trying to find more info on it but I can't find anything. But can I just post whenever I can as long if I track my hours?

No. 2340807

>>2340805
That looks like generic moe anime style, at that point just read any time kirara manga. I just dont see the point of webtoon when there are better alternatives like manga and indie western comics that arent capeshit. It just seems like it has a very specific target audience(phonefag teenagers who prefeer quantity over quality). Which is fine, but its still garbage. It feels like an insult as a reader, personally. Even the trashiest mangas like Akebi san still have effort put into them. You get like 2 chapters each year, but they look amazing. Webtoon also mostly seems to focus on romance or teenage romcoms, which idgaf about unless the art is insanely good to reel me in.

No. 2340811

>>2340805
OT but I loved this so much.

No. 2340814

>>2340806
>But can I just post whenever I can as long if I track my hours?
you dont have to track your hours if you dont want. All you have to do is upload your work, either daily or set a time from every 2 days to a week. Its good if you are trying to build the habit of drawing daily.

No. 2340827

>>2340794
What is DAD?

No. 2340830

>>2340827
dad.gallery / do art daily. Its a page where you can post your art and track your progress, the point of it is to post daily to build the habit of drawing.

No. 2340834

>>2340814
Thank you so much for the explanation nona! I'm definitely going to try it out this year when I can.

No. 2340844

>>2321172
anything is better than bean mouth.

No. 2340910

>>2340844
Honestly I hope the zoomer faux-daria artstyle makes an appearance in cartoons soon because it's so much more tolerable than the shit millenials came up with because they were ashamed to say they like anime.

No. 2341085

File: 1736506083547.jpg (600.63 KB, 1170x1007, jbdhk.jpg)

Is this not weight gain fetish art?? The artist only drew skinny/muscular people before this, so this may genuinely just be practice.
But it’s interesting how a slight rewording of intention can change everything. It’s not weight gain/tf fetish art, it’s body type practice art, and now everyone loves it instead of being creeped out(That’s still sort of my reaction though, it’s hard not to divorce this kind of imagery from fetish artists)

No. 2341166

>>2341085
Usually fetish artists draw their fetish over and over, I think this artist just wanted to try something different nonnie

No. 2341173

>>2340794
A handful of them regularly shill their @‘s with a few thousand followers on them, which can get annoying. It’s basically kind of breaking that whole idea. Aside from that it’s good as a habit tracker, just very scrotey.

No. 2341179

>>2341085
Nona no offence I'm worried you might injure your back with that kind of reach…

No. 2341183

>>2341085
In this case, I don't think it is because the artist doesn't draw it constantly, but it does have a very unfortunately resemblance to fetish art kek

No. 2341193

>>2341085
Without the caption I thought the same. It is just very very unfortunate framing

No. 2341202

>>2340745
>the average moefaced anime girl/boy
I guess? But I frankly like how some characters in manwha look like adults instead of underage kids. Why is some anime and manga insist that a teenager and a twenty something look identical to each other? Not all manga does this of course but it's still strange.

No. 2341213

>>2340794
>I use DAD to track my progress
damn your dad is so real for that, we love supportive parents

No. 2341234


No. 2341271

>>2340794
Fair warning to any nonas that use this site. You'll be unable to delete posts on your own and will need to contact staff, also, if it contributes to your current streak they won't remove it.

No. 2341401

File: 1736533303779.jpg (102.96 KB, 736x1307, 3e72dc3df0f36c39cde191feb6fc29…)

So about using poses, it's not stealing if the poses are meant to be copied? Surely it's better to get into the habit of changing something about the pose or practice anatomy or making up our own. I'm worried someone will call me out for using a free-to-use pose with my art

No. 2341412

>>2341401
Do you think artist crap out art like it's nothing? You have to study what exist in order to draw that thing. No one but retards care if you use references in your art, just don't rely on them and try to draw them imagination after some confidence boost.

No. 2341426

>>2341401
If you want your art to look good, use references. Study them closely and then ideally once you make a piece, the pose will look quite different as you add changes and adjustments to it. There's only so many poses in the world so no one is going to call you out on using references for them.

No. 2341441

>>2341202
Manwha characters dont look like adults to me, they look like weird aliens or those creepy blow up dolls. It creeps me out that all the female characters are always wearing make up.

No. 2341530

>>2341401
>I'm worried someone will call me out for using a free-to-use pose with my art.
Who does this? Have you ever seen this happen?

No. 2341582

>>2341530
Nta but the worst I've seen is people sperging in qrts because an artist referenced some kpop idol they like. No one cares unless you trace something

No. 2341616

>>2341401
These kind of photos are meant to be used for artists to trace them or use inspiration from. See how Disney used to do their old movies back then. People saying you don't need photo references know nothing.

No. 2341636

>>2341401
Anon, only weirdo amateur children do shit like that.

No. 2341638

>>2341530
NTA but I remember there was some retarded fallout where someone accused another of copying their pose of one of those cookie run characters. I think it did turn out that the copy cat did use their art as inspo (no tracing but did the same subject doing similar poses iirc) but it also turned out that official art of the same character also used that pose so people made fun of them for getting mad over something they also did. The whole thing was really fucking dumb.
I could’ve sworn “pose theft” was a huge thing on DA when it was alive lol.

No. 2341776

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>>2341401
If you're learning it's not an issue. Copy and rip off to your heart's content.
It's only an issue when you're doing a piece and EVERYONE is using the same reference for the same pose with the same perspective. It's a bit uncanny.
When you're studying via figure drawing, even though there's no right or wrong way to do figure art, you're generally encouraged to try and exaggerate or do something kind of different.

No. 2341781

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>>2341776
I feel like i saw characters with a pose similar to this so many times.
Again nothing wrong with it and anyone trying to cancel you or all you out is a no life loser.
It's just for creativity's sake, a bit weird.
But don't worry about it if you're learning, that's part of the process.

No. 2341814

>>2341401
You have to study refs to git gud anon

No. 2341817

>>2341776
this is honestly pretty bad though, i hate when they exaggerate the line of action so much when they are drawing realistic humans and not looney tunes characters

No. 2341835

>>2340910
I partially agree only because I think you're right, but also I hate that I have to be grouped in with the tumblrinas and eternal livejournal rejects who are so absent of personality and imagination that they are completely unwilling to be as delusional as a zoomer making their own y2k highschool knockoff or having an unapologetically weeb or sonic inspired artstyle. Big ups to those retards for permanently poisoning the well I hope the beanmouth and fauxnime artstyle goes extinct.

No. 2341880

File: 1736559182882.webp (14.47 KB, 275x1039, D_NQ_NP_2X_687341-MLA788266802…)

Does anyone here have figures they use as reference? i am looking for an anatomically correct skeleton and wonder if anyone knows of any brand that especializes on mannequins for drawing. I would also like one that has all the muscles. 3D models dont hit the same.

No. 2341893

>>2341085
This is cute. Not everything is some kind of fetish in disguise, lay off of twitter sometimes to re-frame your thinking.

No. 2341896

>>2341893
Exactly, I feel like it's some opposite mirrored version of pornsickness where you see fetishes in everything. If that were fetish art it would be way more apparent.

No. 2341900

>>2341401
Copy, trace, study them, but keep it to yourself. I think that's what most artists do

No. 2341902

>>2341085
It doesn't look feitishy it just looks retarded

No. 2341903

>>2340798
>we shouldn't be so hard on them
Why not?

No. 2341905

>>2341401
You know, I always wondered what's behind the thought process of artists who don't improve for years straight and I wonder if this is it? No offense to you personally, nonna. It's not "stealing", you're literally just studying. I look up pics of asian dudes on pinterest all the time to use as reference as Japanese people often take extremely dynamic pictures of themselves in multiple angles and it's helpful. And if you're REALLY that worried, just get a full body mirror and take pics of yourself.

No. 2341950

>>2341638
>>someone accused another of copying their pose of one of those cookie run characters
So kids? Cookie run is only popular with kids afaik and lol pose copying is such childish thing to try and drag someone for next it'll be art style theft jfc

No. 2341961

>>2341950
>So kids?
No, it was drama between a 26 year old and a 19 year old kek >>>/snow/2063105
There’s definitely adults who still play cookie run, they were probably kids/teenagers back during the game’s early years

No. 2341963

Should you ever trust an artist who says commissions are open but do not have public details on the prices and the only way to know is through DM?

No. 2341969

>>2341950
the concept of “art style theft” is definitely still alive and well in certain circles. one artist i know has almost an annual spergout over people “stealing” her anime art style. the usual argument is claiming that she doesn’t want anyone to reference her art, ever. she even blocks people who save her art on their phone or computer. i honestly question why she even posts her art publicly if she doesn’t want anyone to see it or enjoy it enough to find it inspirational

No. 2341996

>>2341963
What's wrong with that?

No. 2342000

>>2341905
AYRT I use my own personal pictures as references and do studies. I felt weird using a pose picture online as a reference because of art theft and tracing discourse. I realize it's retarded now.

No. 2342002

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>>2342000
its not tracing, better and more popular artists than you use references all the time

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>>2341996
I don't know, I'm usually just unsure and don't hold any negative or positive view towards it. My main concern is just because as a client I don't know if what I'm paying is more inflated compared to another client.
For more information, I haven't actually purchased art before but have sometimes thought about it but have seen sometimes artists saying commissions are open but I see no details about the general pricing.

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>>2342002
I've unlocked a world of resources I was missing, thanks

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>>2342002
nayrt but honest to god those japanese action pose reference books save my fucking ass as someone who is trying to draw more combat scenes, and considering their target audience i wouldn't be surprised if some panels from high profile shounen manga are taken from them.

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>>2342164
I remember reading one of the animators for akebi san had to rent an studio and ask her mom to send her her high school uniform to film references for this part of the anime. References are essential, even kjg said he became so good thanks to observing from real life.

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>>2342002
Imo even if someone actually traced on top of a reference, there's nothing wrong with it as long as you use it as a pre-study, I've heard it does help. Just don't upload those traced drawings.

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>>2342004
>but I see no details about the general pricing.
Sometimes artists do that, not because they want to charge you more but because it's better to talk about it personally with a client rather than keeping it in the open. There's a lot of reasons for this, from just being shy, wanting to remain exclusive, or keeping prices private from competition. A lot newbies and low income artists keep their commission info on the open. Emails and DMs feel more professional for me. In the end, if the price seems unfair for you, don't buy it.

No. 2342181

Do you guys think it's okay to make a wendigo OC? I think the myth is cool, but unlike a lot of race moralfagging, I think native americans genuinely have a point as even today, the ways in which their culture is destroyed and their rights are stripped are completely brushed under the rug.

No. 2342185

>>2342181
Who cares, they arent real. People draw angles and demons all the time, whats the difference between vivzie desecrating the bible to draw sparkledog furfag homo versions of angels and demons and you drawing a wendigo OC? at worst you will get seething comments from 1% cherokee princess larpers with pronouns on bio. Real natives got better things to do than seethe at ocs.

No. 2342203

>>2342181
If you're going to make a evil cannibalistic deer monster, that's not a actual wendigo (they're more skinwalker-esque humanoid giants) so you're fine on the cultural appropriation front, just don't call it wendigo because it's not. The idea of a cannibalistic/cannibalism inducing spirit isn't something unique to Native American culture either (jè-rogues come to mind immediately for example).
>>2341903
Don't skim posts and you shall find your answer.

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>>2342170
I feel bad for that female animator.

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>>2341969
Tbh I actually think that art style theft is a thing. Some artists really do have distinct enough art styles to immediately tell when someone is copying their style. Is there something wrong with it? Well it’s a morally gray area, I can understand why people would take issue of others mimicking their style.
For example, Chinese artist ASK (askziye) is probably the artist whose style I’ve seen copied the most, at least in anime circles. Then there’s mgong520 and that random slav artist who is obviously copying her style kek, it even promoted mgong to make a tweet about it

No. 2342294

>>2342288
Continuing onto this, im trying to find the tweet she made because of this but it seems like its been deleted.

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>>2341961
A witch on a broom in orange and black what an original pose/concept. Thanks for linking me nonnie I love this retarded bs. Artist sperg outs over nothing are just funny.
>>2341969
I would like to know this idiot.Sounds like a cow in the making. At that point why even post your shit online if you're THAT worried about being referenced by others.
>>2342288
Yeah in some rare cases it is real if the artist is big enough (like the grifters skin walking brujoari), but like 9 times out of 10 it's some random sperg complaining about a (usually younger) artist using a completely generic style. Like that dumbass angomango who claimed she owned that more animu style of drawing the sonic characters (even tho sonic x came out like a decade before her).

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>>2341969
Artstyle theft is alive and well. Everytime I see a vivziepop wannabe I just block and move on because I don’t want to read the inevitable “Art style theft isn’t real! But even if it is I’m not copying that evil terf bitch at all!! What’s hazbin?!” spergout.

No. 2342494

>>2341961
I’m the anon who brought up the cookie run drama, holy shit I had no idea they weren’t kids kek

No. 2342500

>>2341969
>certain circles
It's always circles of very young women who are reliving 'she copied ME!!' schoolgirl drama. No one but girly women (and a few men) cares about art/concept theft. What's funny is, in most cases, it's not done for profit and it's a sign of their impact, which you'd think would flatter them. But it doesn't because they're so insecure any kind of influence feels like something (what?) precious is being taken away.

No. 2342511

>>2341441
So does fucking anime? But does that matter? You're free to be a hater but it doesn't change the fact that webtoons took over the market. No one cares about your black and white books anymore.(infighting)

No. 2342517

>>2342511
>doesn't change the fact that webtoons took over the market
Nta Kek no it didnt. Theres a reason why it's called sloppy. Stop being triggered over someone calling your sloptoons shitty kekk(infighting)

No. 2342532

>>2342517
I don't read a lot of webtoons, I just think it's severely retarded to get anal over a Korean webcomics. Every medium has it's slop, it's only the non-slop that's worth remembering. Did we still forget the numerous amount isekai back in the day? You still had great anime/manga in the rough but somehow that's all that haters think