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Thread for those involved in the goth community and other notorious altcows who whinge, binge, and beg their way through festivals and endless Killstar hauls.
Previous thread: >>893423
Jake Munro & Toxic
It's Black Friday
Kat von D & Leafar Seyer
Of Herbs and Altars/Dorian
The Witchy Goth Gang
Avelina de Moray
Julia Zelg & Eileen Van Arden
Father Sebastian/Todd Hoyt
But they have been bringing new cows? The thread pic is literally of a new cow.. We also discussed Sebastiaan a few threads back who is probably the most cow of all the cows, but hasn't been very milky lately. Same with Voltaire.
(Btw love the thread pic, kudos)
I think it's a matter of the places people lurk. For example, I don't really lurk on Twitter or Instagram all that much. I mostly just lurk about on Youtube which is why I only ever really was engaged with the IBF, Toxic
Tears, Jake, and Dorian. Oh and Dre Ronayne, Hello Batty, & Social Repose back when they were doing what they were doing.
I know someone brought up that Orlee chick in the last thread but I think the only reason I never heard of her was because I don't seek out occultist Youtubers since it's not really my thing.
this is a good point, but there have been some non-YT cows that just got forgotten or weren't milky enough.
a few threads back there was some goth alt-right/white nationalist guy on twitter. I can't remember his name though. he just sort of got forgotten.
someone brought this chick in the last thread who vaguely looked like adora and had a terrifyingly small waist who was only on instagram. but she wasn't really a cow I guess.
and who could forget kady rae? that whole thing was weird though and apparently it was raven posting her here.
Speaking of Orlee, she discusses being goth in this video. It starts at around 24:20. The only band mentioned is kittie, though she doesn't say they're goth.>>926744
I brought up Orlee. And I'd never heard of her either. The thread was getting stale. So I thought I'd see if father sebastian and company had any lols to offer. Searched "real vampire" and there she was.
Though I have to say, listening to her talk about her shitty childhood in the above video is sad. Not sad enough to excuse her charging gullible fragile people $699 for a "private ritual", but still sad.
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Chuckula occasionally gets brought up and he's got enough milk to bring some of the magic back into some of these threads. Why don't we fianlly address the cross-dressing elephant in the room?
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He's a racist, sexist, cross-dressing, Trump loving wannabe vampire with an insatiable Goth girl fetish. He's had a presence online since at least the MySpace era and has only gotten more absurd over the years. He's had a bunch of "girlfriends" with all kinds of drama attached, most of these "girlfriends" have been trolls that ironically enough include actual Goth girls. A compelling argument could be made that he's the Gothic equivalent to Chris Chan. He's got a hilariously cringey masturbation video called "Chuckula's Sexual Tears" that he got tricked into doing by a fake girlfriend. He has a disappointingly page on Encyclopedia Dramatica. He's also gone on record bashing damn near every minority group under the sun from blacks to Asians all the way to women in the military.
TL;DR this fucker is an absolute goldmine
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Now there's a troll worth going after.
For fuck's sake, look at this product of cousinfucking.
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This asshole is the perfect example of an altcow imo, it's just constant milk with him over and over again
Oh my god, I had stumbled upon this guy online and legit thought it was a poor attempt at satire!
Im loving the new cows, it's a new era.
I think we have to discuss Christina Death, that woman who is obssessed with Rozz William, thinks very highly of herself just because she has some things that belonged to him. There's more milk on her, I'll try to make a summary.
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The real kicker is that he's been doing it since the mid to late 2000's. That's kinda long for it to just be a simple troll. If this is just some guy putting on a character then he's on par with Andy Kaufman
I feel like this guy is just trolling for the sake of trolling. If he's for real, he's an idiot if he thinks he'll be able to muster up a fan-base by being a racist.>>926915
Does this tool even have any followers? lol>>926986
It's just hard to take this guy seriously. He doesn't get likes on his asinine comments andhe doesn't seem to be interacting with anyone. It just feels like he's saying the most offensive thing he can to get a rise out of someone.
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IBF has a manager?
If she'd seemed like a person who just made casual videos whenever she felt like it I'd be taken aback. But this is obviously not the case. She is a professional youtuber who presents herself in a calculated, albeit hackneyed, way. So getting a manager might mean she'll start actually creating content for the patreon supporters who are somehow still tj
Hrowing money at her. I hope this new manager knows what they've signed up for.
This. The cycle usually goes like>There's no milk wah wah wah> (a new potential cow gets posted)>This isn't milk!!!!!! Talk about someone else because I'm the sole judge of milk potential!!!
Just scroll past and shut up
Everyone posted "sexy" pics of themselves at 16, 17, get over it. She's not a child pornographer.
You people are obssessed with Toxic
Tears. I propose that a thread is created to discuss her and Jake exclusively so you can go there. Most anons are sick of nitpicking every little thing they do because it is not milk and no one cares anymore. Please, just go to a thread of your own and everyone will be happy
I mean yikes at that
but fair enough, assuming “everyone” does that -
she was 14 or 15 (not that 16 or 17 is any less illegal) & it is a professional photo shoot, she’s fully in lingerie and underwear and there’s A LOT of them you absolute nonce. Your willingness to brush it off as perfectly fine and normal speaks volumes.
Indeed. And if you need to rage at anyone, blame the photographer, who was probably quite a bit older than she was.
Posting sexy pics of yourself as a teenager is not the smartest idea. You may regret it, and the internet never forgets. But that doesn't make it child pornography.
Gotta agree. The fact that she needs a manager to do livestreaming is laughable when youtubers half her size are able to do it no problem at all, all on their own.>>927238
It's gonna be hilarious if she gets questions about her bullshit and she tries to scramble with her answers lol.
Fuck off with your Toxic
Tears obssession. There wasn't anything to talk about her, you saw that people lost interest and started to get excited about discussing new people so you brought up this absolutely nonsensical subject. For real, create a fucking thread dedicated to discuss her and jake and stop clogging this thread with NOTHING. There is nothing to talk about her and jake at the moment, let the subject die, let us discuss other people.
Is this a personal vendetta of yours? Because it 100% looks like it. Fuck off
Agreed. I'm all for talking about Kaya, if there is actual milk. But there hasn't been any for so long now. Meanwhile we have a fullblown scammer who does cringy rituals for a fortune, and an actual garbage human who seems unable to stop yelling the n word.
But meh, Kaya posted some pics you don't like…
I was thinking about making a separate thread for Kaya and Jake when I did this one because their drama isn’t even goth related anymore.
I didn’t want to upset anyone or overstep boundaries so I just left it alone. I have no problem volunteering to make one at anytime. I have nothing else to do lol.
Tears and Jake are still self-obsessed poseurs who will never be seen as Goth or taken seriously by actual Goths and that's pretty much it. There's nothing left to say about them so it's best to just move on and talk about other people and only bring the other two up if they do something cringe-inducing. There's no point in posting every little thing they do. We get it, Kaya is a slob who has terrible dress sense and can't dress for her size and Jake is a self-absorbed jackass. >>927480
That'll probably be best anon. They aren't Goth and at this point, their drama has nothing to do with the scene these days, it's just them being dimwits.
I made the TT and Jake thread. Sorry if isn't perfect, I just wanted this shit up so we can bring some fresh milk into the altcow threads.
You’re very welcome, anon.>>927791
I know, but at least we have a dedicated space for TT now to make room for new cows. That way we won’t have friction between two opposing camps who want different things in the thread.
She is surprised that people have stopped sending her subscription boxes to open. Really? She never does videos that she promises and is always hard to reach. I wonder why they won't work with her.
She's also thought of starting her own subscription box.
She's still renting the glasgow flat for her stuff. She briefly mentioned her cats still being in germany. One has been given away, the other one is being longtime cared for.
They usually are. I put up the youtube link.>>927835
>One has been given away, the other one is being longtime cared for.
Lol they have both been given away - who is she fooling. I think it was in thread 15 or 16 that someone came in who had one of her cats.
I don't have time to watch the video at the moment and I don't think I want to sit through a near 2 hour video of her getting sucked off by her fans. >>927835
What does she expect when she barely uploads videos? >>928081
Eugh… I guess she didn't take the advice of just staying in her home country for a few years and then move when she's more financially stable.
She will do it the moment she gets enough money from donations.
I just wonder how she is paying for the “shitty” apartment that is currently her hoard stash.
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Adora being insensitive and vulgar as usual. She really didn’t learn to keep her mouth shut after the whole “I’m a black girl lulz” drama. I’m surprised people follow her when it’s been confirmed that she was previously a nazi sympathizer and clearly, still a racist.
What the actual fuck Adora!
Also, what's this about her being a nazi sympathiser?
Since when was Adora a nazi sympathizer?
Is this more delusional bullshit like "Freya is a white supremist because she has skin lightening products!!!!!" or do you actually have proof?
Have y'all never seen the picture from her 20s where she's wearing a nazi germany military jacket as a fashion statement? I can't find the photo rn but will post if I do.
She also openly listens to and promotes faschwave which has telling lyrics.
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Sebastian Columbine still pushing her whole non- binary thing. Girl, maybe if you presented as anything other than a hyper feminine girly girl once in a while we'd take it a bit more seriously.
I have some friends who identify as non binary but they're all androgynous af and genuinely don't fit into male/ female stereotype so I can kinda understand the label. Sebastian is just out here trying to feel special.
I am not saying that it is okay just because Siouxsie did it, but they wore the swastika more to be provocative than to support nazis. Adora has always been provocative in many other ways, that has always been her so it is unsurprising. She does it so that people stare and talk. Siouxsie pretty much admitted to doing the same. They are not nazis, anon just failed to read between the lines and think a bit deeper. >>928816
I don't consider Victoria to be a cow because I do not think she displayed much cowish behavior? Correct me if I am wrong.
Siouxsie has adressed her past use of nazi imagery. She's said that it was deeply stupid, she regrets it, and she has apologized to anyone she may have hurt.
If Adora does the same, rather than pretend it didn't happen, I wouldn't denounce her.
>Have y'all never seen the picture from her 20s where she's wearing a nazi germany military jacket as a fashion statement?
I have seen numerous people wearing numerous pieces of uniforms of different armies from past and nowadays in my life. Also many trendy pieces of clothing originated as army clothing.
Explain me how the fuck wearing a jacket tells anything about wearer other than the fact that wearer likes the look?
If you wear trench coat it makes you supporter of British Empire and it's crimes in colonies? If you wear steel toed combat boots it makes you supporter of war crimes of US Army during Vietnam war?
Please don't continue that retardation.
>I can't find the photo rn but will post if I do.
Posting it would not change a lot TBH.
> She also openly listens to and promotes faschwave which has telling lyrics.
Pics or didn't happen.
There's a difference between wearing army gear, or army insoired fashion, or even modern German military attire, and wearing Nazi stuff. Depends of course on the kind of jacket. Are we talking "similar cut" or "full on nazi symbols." Because one is fine, and the other is not. There's a reason why wearing Nazi symbols is illegal in Germany.
The problem with Adora is not just the stuff she foes. It's how she brushes off any criticism she may recieve, because she is just so edgy and shocking, and it was a joke you guys!
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If you have any proofs of your claims that she has anything to do with being Nazi just support your claims with proof otherwise quit your shitposting. You return with that theory of yours regular since many threads and so far you posted literally nothing to support that claims.Otherwise there is literally zero reason to treat you even remotely seriously.
Yeah. I honestly think it's a combination of bad English, being self concious and awkward, and just not being the brightest crayon in the box.
I tend to think of victoria as kind of harmless. The one thing that irks me about her is her clinging to the goth label but only ever talking about metal. But she hasn't done anything truly horrible or anything. She's just kind of boring.
Yeah she's harmless but her main goal in life is to be famous… she got a super boring personality.
She has been in swedens next top model (didn't win, duh), swedens project runway (didn't win that either), a shitshow called "outsiders" when she got her permanent fangs… she's a fucking joke and I can't stand her or her retarded voice.
Yeah. This was posted on an earlier thread. It's amazing how many of these cows (julia, victoria, jude) have been featured on that show.
Speaking of which, has anybody ever brought up rottingdoll and her creepy puppeteer boyfriend here?
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He does look like a young Manilow before all the plastic surgery.
The hot part? Whatever floats your boat I guess lol.
You brought her up on the last thread too for no reason other than "she is a goth and I am insecure". I thought we had reasons to call them cows and no I am not new here, I have seen some of you defending your reason for bitching because they scammed people, are greedy and liars. So basically that is what this is now, a bunch of miserable nobodies go on a forum to anonymously obsess over ANY alt girl that intimidates them and makes them feel insecure, and we call them cows? Even if they did nothing? I remember a time where we had valid
reasons to rip on altcows, now a lot of you are beyond desperate trying too hard to keep your obsession alive and end up being worse than the listed cows. I suppose it is all you have.
"Kaya deserves to be bullied because she bullied fat people on PULL! I have morals! But actually I can bully whoever I want because I am worse than Kaya and I know it"
You can always leave the forum if the gossip is not up to your standards. I’m tired of you moralfag anons constantly littering the thread with “this isn’t milk!!11” or “this is bullying!!1”
Make your own thread then.
No one said Victoria is a cow but her thirst for fame, haul videos and way of speaking was enough to start talking about her.
I’m sorry if it’s you and we hurt your feelings, or if you’re a fan and don’t like people gossiping about your idol, but seriously, get over yourself.
Stop bitching at people for gossiping on a gossip forum.
oh no, you called us insecure nobodies, that really hurt anon. I have to go cry in the bathroom for an hour. look what you've done!>>930049
but anon, don't you know that gossiping on a gossip forum is literally worse than murder? we have to be careful with what we say, otherwise the people who only care about who gets mentioned on a gossip forum (you know, instead of caring about real problems in the world like poverty and war) well, their feelings will be hurt.
Go back to tumblr
In other news, ibf is live streaming. Same thing again. Fake happiness every time she gets money and dances/doesn’t answer questions
That completely tracks. We've seen how Karen acts in public, just imagine what she's like in private.
I hope the anon who has MoonMoon sticks to their guns and does what's best for the kitty.
And then didn't she make a bunch of vague passive aggressive posts on her Instagram story after that about "toxic
people"? People were speculating it was about Kelly. And yeah I think her mall goth stuff was shared in the last thread and she even got accused of plagiarism but the idea wasn't super original to begin with tbh.
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What in the muppet hell is this? I can only imagine the upkeep you need to do after every walk outside.
Is anyone planning to go back to buying kvd beauty now that Kat sold her shares and rights to kendo?
Also, can’t believe the crap she tried to spin about why she sold her brand. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/why-kat-von-d-sold-beauty-brand-influencers-204921486.html?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Kat always blames something or someone else for her problems. Does she really not believe that it is her anti Semitic and antivaxx beliefs that hurt her sales?
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Wow dat spin. Reminds me of Manic Moth's clothing brand which tanked because anyone doing actual work abandoned her. She tried to blame the manufacturer and accused some other business partner of stealing, turns out she is making up stories to assign blame.
I suspect there might be a similar story about KvD. Does someone here know more?
this is like when doe deere stepped back from running lime crime after that whole data breech thing. wouldn't support either of them now b/c there's plenty of other vegan/cruelty free brand that don't have their drama etc.
also i find it really funny that j* talks shit on kvd b/c she did a lot of his tattoos and he'll have to tote them around forever.
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I googled 'adora batbrat aspergers' and this came up https://peoplepill.com/people/adora-batbrat/
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Its Black Friday is still attention-seeking in the metatags
It's really reeks of desperation for ibf to tag safiya nygaard and jenna marbles. They have nothing to do with the goth scene.>>931109
How did you check the metatags?
A big part of her getting popular was her feud with Onision, that was when her subscribers dramatically increased.
Which is ironic, because she said that Onision was exploiting Eugenia Cooney, but Eugenia Cooney was one of the tags she used to abuse on irrelevant videos like her Mohawk one. When people pointed this out she freaked out and removed them from those videos but people already knew what she did.>>931389
It's a common tactic of desperate YouTubers. Ride the coattails of bigger ones.
That's the funny thing, IBF is slowly fading out of relevance even within Goth because her videos are boring and somewhat pointless. And with people like Angela Benedict, Radically Dark, Accumortis, Kai Decadence, Rose Nocturnalia, and Ligeia Ressurected around and actually making engaging content that isn't hauls and non-engaging videos. I just can't help but feel like she's on her last legs of her "YouTube career". Hell even Dorian as insufferable as she can be, at least her content is kinda engaging even if she takes forever to get to her point.
How she has oodles of people still supporting her Patreon and apparently now throwing money at her in her livestreams is very perplexing.
>>931389>It's really reeks of desperation for ibf to tag safiya nygaard and jenna marbles. They have nothing to do with the goth scene.
Definitely anon. Totally desperate and that perhaps even she knows her content can't stand on its own and so has to tag shit that has nothing to do with her video.>>931428
Oh right, I forgot she got into it with Onision way back when and how she was using Eugenia's name in her tags yet was shaming Onion for exploiting her name.
> It's a common tactic of desperate YouTubers. Ride the coattails of bigger ones.
I mean, I suppose I could understand why smaller YouTubers would do that as sometimes it can be hard for their content to get out there even if it's genuinely good. But still, to tag shit that has nothing to do with the video is just dumb.
Same anon from >>931453
but I think you're right. I actually went to IBF's channel to see the kinds of videos she used to make as it's been awhile and honestly I think you're right about this. My first video of Freya's I ever watched was her "Romantic Goth Tag" video but she did a crap ton of makeup videos and I never really watched any of them.
But back around this time there really weren't many other Goth Youtubers aside from Sebastian Columbine, Laila Autumn, and one other person I'm forgetting. I guess I'll just be honest that I was initially intrigued by Freya because of her look which did look very old school and more authentic to Goth in the way Sebastian Columbine's deathrock phase made me think even though Sebastian was ripping off Patsy.
But now in the current year with other goth Youtubers like I've mentioned who actually upload more worthwhile and engaging content, it really made me realize how vapid and boring Freya's videos actually are. And I don't really get why she's trying to become a cooking channel all of a sudden, is this the next new trend? lol
She appeals to normies partially for the way she dresses and then she portrays herself as supersweet and positive, which is more normie bait.
The food videos are just more of her basic nonsense and normie bait. She knows people go mad over someone with a dark aesthetic, doing cutesy things, whilst making sure you get a nice view of her boobs for the male clicks.
A regular goth is too busy wandering in the mists of some long forgotten castle to need validation on the internet.
yea i'm kind of curious, some ppl know already but for those who don't, does he avoid answering or lie or what. >>931514
that's kind of sad, like ppl care more about getting the free stuff and put in minimal effort which just kills creativity and the want for it. she's barely putting out any kind of content and doesn't even have her stuff, what does she actually have to offer her audience.
Lol good point anon. It does seem like it's mostly normie types who eat up her content and think she's some unique person whereas people within the Goth scene are pretty "meh" to indifferent about her from my experience. Well normies or Mallgoths who aren't really Goth. And oh right, I forgot that she would pull a Trisha Paytas making sure the camera was placed in an angle to show off her cleavage (and hide her gut). >>931541
Pretty much what >>931567
said. She was not having fun with YouTube anymore and wanted to pursue her work with her band Esoterik and traveling. She's still relatively active on her Instagram but that's about it. It's a shame that she deleted/privated most of her videos because some of them were pretty good.
Ahh good old Kazlovesbats. I miss her videos.
Allison has always gone through phases with her aesthetic/ fashion/ music etc.
Three years ago her style started to become more viking/ witchy/ nordic mixed with goth.
Eventually she started to introduce more color and in 2019 she dropped the goth look altogether. She still listens to goth though.
I met her and she's definitely a very kind and sensitive person, so I imagine youtube was too much for her. I remember people were hating on her for various reasons, like her pagan faith or her exploring different gothic fashion styles. She told me that she had enough.
Like the anons above said, she also quit because she wanted to focus more on her band, which is a shame since she's completely tone deaf and can't sing for shit.
I also feel like she has regressed skill wise in her art; she went to an art school and yet her drawings look like my 13yo sister's. I honestly feel like she was better back in 2012 but idk how thats possible.
I used to really enjoy her content so its a shame the direction she went.
Shame she dropped her goth-self altogether, I used to watch her from 2012-15 during my rekindled interest in goth subculture/aesthetic then proceeded to follow her after making an instagram account.
After a year of absence, I went to check her out again after seeing her recent post only to find nothing really gothic about her anymore but was digging the Nordic hippie-witch vibe she gives, albeit over the top but whatever. Thank you for explaining why she dropped it.
Her music is also changing too; it’s no longer trying to be 80’s goth but more like folksy synth pop. It’s alright, I guess
maybe this is an unpopular opinion here but I thought she used to have great content, particularly her travel vlogs and event vlogs of places like wiggy T, m'era luna etc. even though I hate her as a person I would totally be down to watch more of those. I think her best content is her non-goth content and with her loyal subscribers it probably wouldn't even be hard for her to float on it, but she's just lazy as hell and screwing her own channel with her inconsistency.>>931915
she said that because the interviewer was trying to get her and mattias to say something kinky (he seemed to think all goths are into bdsm/kink) so they said modesty and monogamy to be funny. ironic since both of them cheated allegedly.
Same anon, Back when Allison was going by "KazLovesBats", I can say unironically that I did like her old content from 2011-2014. She had some pretty engaging videos and she's someone I can say was an actual Goth. I didn't know that she dropped the Goth thing aesthetically but it's cool that she still likes the music.
I also have to agree about the singing. I didn't mind her voice for her band's first song "Indigo Children". It was not good but I think the melody of the song was catchy enough to where I could let the mediocre singing slide. Same for their third single "Necrodancer". But when she came back after her long hiatus, I don't know why but I just could not ignore the singing in the newer music because it just sticks out way too much. That said I do think it's cool that she's pursuing music as that is what she is passionate about so I'll give her props for that.>>931672
I mean you're not wrong. I think most actual Goth youtubers do understand that Goth content will never be popular on YouTube because most people aren't into Goth music and the scene but I don't think it bothers them because a lot of these people like Angela, Accumortis, Skullgirdle, and Cadaver Kelly for example, they have professions/jobs outside of YouTube so they don't need to cave and pump out half-baked content like IBF does.
It's just that she really doesn't say anything interesting at all. >>931915
I remember her saying that in a Q&A as well and I never understood what she meant when she has her tits popping out of her tops usually. Isn't that like the opposite of modest? lol I'm guessing she only said that to make her look "unique" and Victorian even though her look contradicts that notion.>>931946
I'll be honest, I liked the travel vlogs too and it was those videos that kinda tricked me into thinking her content was ever good lol I say that because if you've read the past threads, you may have read how she acquired the money to do that much traveling.
>>931979>I didn't know that she dropped the Goth thing aesthetically
Just because someone is not copying same old known cliches all over and over like 90 percent of so called trad crowd does not yet mean dropping goth aesthetics.
Going trough here recent photos the only noticeable change I see is that she wears more colors that she used to. But I see all black too occassionaly. The rest is still within late new wave boundary.
I find the notion that you have to wear at least one black thing to consider your outfit to be goth ridiculous. There were times and regions where black was not even dominant color in goth clubs.
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What is goff?
Baby don't hurt me!
Don't hurt me!
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Wow, Such creativity, much unique. Would be a shame if people would copy such great and intricate craftsmanship.
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Totally worth 69$, its really hard to tie some jersey fabric strings to an already existing forged item.
Yes. That's the thing. Her work is so bog standard. Belts like that are incredibly common. You can find a dozen tutorials online, most of which predate Mai making them.
But no, somebody stole her idea of knitting an eyecord and attaching it to hardware she bought. Also she owns runes, so…
Yeah I did mean "Aesthetic" but not Goth itself because again, she likes the music. I myself don't look dressed to the nines in the standard Goth look myself so one wouldn't really know I was a Goth until they heard what kind of music I listened to lol But fair enough.>>932544
"Xerogirls/Xeroboys" I guess I'm getting old now because I've never heard that term before lol >>932587
70 dollars for that??? She's kidding right? lol Thing should be no more than at least $10 and I'm being very generous with that keke. Though if someone actually buys it for that much then I guess she's doing something right lol.
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Speaking of Mai Magi and the Mushroom Witches…she deleted most of the videos on her channel relating to her home. All the vlogs of her moving in and such are gone, but she kept up most of the few videos she made with Mara. I find it kind odd since Mara scrubbed her channel of anything to do with her ex BFFS.
She and Annika continue to post hashtag twinfies of themselves like the Mean Girls of the Far North as well and continually preach friendship, positivity, and love.
Anons here were digging Mai's financial background and she got scared, me thinks. I hope anons can dig some more and find out where her family's wealth comes from.
Mara deleted them because she was hurt, it was very obvious. Mai and Annika sucked up to her for fame, then they turned on her like twin judas. Now the backstabbers act like they did nothing wrong.
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any milk on the youtuber ch527kerosene?
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I find it so gross and cruel how they make a big deal about being these female empowered witches, and yet they basically trashed Mara once they got what they wanted.
I don’t think they would have gotten all their sponsorships without being connected to her.
Which year was it? Their videos are gone and I can't remember when it happened anymore. If someone has the videos please upload them.
In hindsight these videos were narcissistic tantrums in plain sight. The self-proclaimed viking queens became unglued once they realized they wouldn't get better treatment than anyone else, lmfao.
I don’t know, them three kept acting like it was somehow M’era’s fault they were soaked. I am not sure how disorganized is equal to inclement weather.
They should have booked an hotel like Adora
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Seems like these two are back together…
It is a mutually beneficial arrangement usually. Those shelters are available for rent to regular festival-goers, if you're willing to shill out quite a bit of money. It's very much glamping, and I can see how having influencers promote them would make sense.
But complaining about it when the festival is clearly doing all it can in the face of downright ridiculous weatheris just a dick move. The volunteers were working their butts of that year in the streaming rain and ankle-deep mud, spreading straw around, keeping access to vital areas (first aid, bathrooms) available first, and trying to redirect traffic because the parking grounds and the roads up to them were flooded and people were getting stuck in the mud and had to be towed out.
So I'm sorry cummunication wasn't as good as you might have hoped ladies. That must have been hard for you.
Cry me a fucking river. She's not part of the Goth community because she's not a Goth nor was she ever one. The only reason she was able to skate by as being called Goth from back in her early days of YouTube was because there weren't many Goth youtubers back then and even then, I remember that if people did talk about Goth music, they'd get called "elitist". That's part of the reason why Sebastian Columbine deleted her video on Goth music that she did back when she was still an active part of the Deathrock scene.
"Scared" my ass. The music was always there but she didn't like it, she said it "wasn't her cup of tea" and that she preferred other music which is fine but that meant she was not a Goth. And the only reason she started listening to it was by obligation and desperation because of how she got lambasted on that Gothquisition podcast back in 2018 when they brought that up. As for being too Goff for sponsors, bullshit. Alternative sponsors are a thing like >>933190
mentioned, it's just that she's lazy and does a piss ass job presenting the products so of course not many are gonna wanna work with her when she half-asses it.>>933198
Exactly. He can go fuck himself with that woe is me, "they're all bully elitist" attitude, he brought it on himself.
To be fair, she didn't claim that dressing mainstream made her feel miserable. She just said that people assumed she was happy when she dressed mainstream even though she was miserable and O.D'd. And that they assume she's depressed now that she dresses goth, even though she is a lot better now.
Having said that, it's amazing that Dorian can talk about doing insane ammounts of speed and coke for days on end, and still be surprised that this somehow led to her life falling apart and her having a massive breakdown. She's quite the detective.
She doesn't ever seem to address the elephant in the room. 35 years old, still living with mom in her childhood bedroom and doesn't even have a normal sleep schedule cos she has less responsibility in life than an actual child.
No it's better to concentrate on important topics like perfume, make up and maybe gender feelings for the hundredth video. Priorities..
>>933188>I know I said I don't like goth music. But that was six years ago. And I've discovered a lot of goth music since then that I love. I wish people would stop judging me on my old videos, and take the time to actually figure out what my musical tastes are.
But then…>>933864>I like a handfull of songs by one, very well known, gothband. But I really just wanna talk about 90s pop, Kpop, and Disney songs.
Well, guess we misjudged her all this time.
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At least Mara and Nina have some originality and creativity opposed to Mai and Moth. Just sayin.
She's full of shit. We don't need to spend time "figuring out her musical tastes" when she makes it apparent that she's not into Goth music. If she really was, she would have no problem actually namedropping some of her favorite Goth bands and songs she likes without being vague about it. No one is saying that she can't like non-Goth music and that was never the issue, it was just how so clear that she was not into Goth music and clearly using the "Goth" label for attention and the moment more people started pointing that out, she scrambles to the most popular Goth band and listens to like 2 songs and calls it a day.
She's so desperate to be seen as a Goth and I think deep down she's bothered that most of her fans are not Goths and that most of the actual Goth YouTubers like Angela, Skullgirdle, Ligeia, Kai, Accumortis, Cemetery Confessions, and the like don't think much of her at all and think she's a poser. She only appeals to young teens and non-Goths and nothing more.
I think her living at home is a problem tbh, she doesn't seem equipped to look after herself if something were to happen to her mom tomorrow. She also lives with the stepdad and we don't know how he feels about her presence being a seemingly permanent thing. I know parents rarely come out and say it bluntly but by 35 you certainly do want your kids to have their own lives and own home.
Her sleeping all day shows how little responsibility she has. Even unemployed (disabled) friends of mine have to keep a normal sleep schedule for the sake of running the usual errands that come with just being an adult.
I don't dislike her but I've seen her cockily giving out advice in vids and acting like she's wise and it's astounding how little self awareness she has around her own circumstances. Living that eternal teen-life and somehow still acting like you're wise as shit?
I don't dislike her either. And I think she has real medical issues that make it more difficult to live on her own.
But that is exactly why she needs to get her ass into gear and start building a life for herself. Because she's getting older, and the longer she waits, the harder it will be. One of these days her parents are either not going to be around, or will be too old to care for her. Imagine having to do that at an advanced age. And if she gets thrust out into the world she won't manage.
Mental issues and being aneurotypical are a genuine concern. But she can, and should, get help in order to live independently.
Good point anon. Yes you're right that Dorian is in a place where it does seem like she won't have the necessary skills to support herself if something bad happens to her mom (or worse) and for all we know, her stepfather may not be too thrilled with the situation as well. I'm not sure when the last time she had a job was but I'm guessing she hasn't worked in such a long time that she has next to no work experience and while she does get disability, it's hard to know if she even knows how to properly budget herself and be responsible since it seems like her mom does most things for her.
> I don't dislike her but I've seen her cockily giving out advice in vids and acting like she's wise and it's astounding how little self awareness she has around her own circumstances. Living that eternal teen-life and somehow still acting like you're wise as shit?
EXACTLY. That's the biggest thing that was always in the back of my head whenever she does these kinds of videos. She doesn't have any actual adult experience and she thinks she has it all figured out when she hasn't done much of anything with her adult years? Like I would give her more leeway if she was actually pursuing a creative project. I know she writes some music and wrote a book but she's not very ccnsistent with it at all and it just makes her come off as a lazy teenager with no structure or ambition. >>934323
Yeah I think her gaining some independence will do her some good. She could try looking into assisted independent living if her medical issues are that big of a hindrance. Like I won't say I like her but she's not the worst person and I do hope she rises above it all because as of now, I just can't help but think of her as the less insane Chris Chan who you're just waiting to see how they'll handle life when their mothers pass away and they'll have to fend for themselves.
I'm not sure if you're only bringing him up because he's talking about Jake but I am SO glad someone is talking about this guy. He was known for being sexist and inflammatory on the Gothic Amino app, making gross comments towards women until he eventually got banned.
In response to people's complaints about him he made this video, trying to repaint himself as some kind of champion for women. His shots of him up close to the camera trying to look threatening as he declares how angry he is at sexism are laughable.
Some highlights include:> 4:25 - Can't be sexist because he drew a picture of Alex from the Clockwork Orange with a severed head. He pretends not to know the name of the character for some reason.> 5:50 Says being sexist to goth women is tempting fate because they have a reputation for being kinky and dangerous so they might rape you.> 6:05 Says "Show some fucking respect or else because some of us carry knives" whilst showing a switchblade to the camera.> 7:56 Says "Show some respect or else" and grabs the camera in an attempt to seem intimidating.
Apparently he's 23 - I found his account on a dating site for goths/alternative people.https://www.altscene.com/profile/view/308877
He says on his profile "I do believe I can thoroughly trust their [goth women's] judgement much deeper than female outsiders who often laugh me out of a room just for entering." Sounds like an incel who thinks if the normal girls wont have him, he can find a goth girlfriend.
He has a video on his channel about getting banned from the gothic amino.
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From Angela's most recent Q&A. I desperately wanna know who the people are they're talking about.
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Hagraven had blue hair for a long time.
It doesn't sound like thegothicalice. She would be too young. Kazlovesbats was known for het blue hair, but that was years ago.
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These posters are apparently plastered around in L.A. Why? Kat seems to require grander and grander public displays of affection from Rafael. Wasn’t it a sky banner last valentine’s? It seems exhausting tbh.
I hate them both with a passion but I thought this was sweet>>935444
Maybe not, this kinda thing isn't too expensive. He isn't a millionaire like her but he isn't poor either>>935196
You: oh angela isn't catty, she is a perfect classy eLdErGoTh who looks 21 and never ever gets involved in any drama by her own choice.
Angela: spontaneously online badmouthing someone she knows, giving hints to who it is etc.
"A homewrecker who social climbs with her vagina"… classy.
From the video at 5:46 : (question) what age makes you an elder goth?
Angela: "it's not a specific number, that's the thing. that's a bit of a misdemeanor because people put a number on it and that's not the case. I think what makes you an elder goth is how long you've been involved in the scene because I've seen people, I'm not gonna name names, but there is one girl in particular who got involved in the scene maybe 2 or 3 years ago who is in her mid 30's and refers to herself as an elder goth and kind of uses that to her advantage, and kind of uses that to her advantage, and is not very nice to people, actually. she is probably a bad representation of the subculture, but considering her age she refers to herself as an elder goth, but older doesn't mean elder. so there's no real age to it, it's a matter of how long you've been involved in the scene (keeps talking about what makes you an elder goth)"
so it could be someone she knows, or someone with a social media presence. I'm guessing it's not a youtuber, but the blue haired person LigeiaResurrected was talking about I'm guessing is Raven. But I have no idea.
she doesn't think she's untouchable, she just is really passionate about the goth scene which I think some times comes off as gate keeper-y but at the same time she says more the merrier and tries to get people involved in the scene and the music, so she's not really a gate keeper.
personally I like Angela not even because of goth reasons but just like her videos. she doesn't have an obnoxious 3 minute long intro that she recites in every video (like "welcome back! welcome if you're new here! make sure to like and subscribe if you ever wanna see my face again and hit the instagram and the patreon it really helps me out etc etc). her videos aren't filled with irritating jumpcuts and annoying sound effects catering to 12 year olds with ADHD. in other words, she reminds me of what YT used to be before it got so huge and mainstream. she also has a real life job so she isn't incessantly e-begging, and it's just refreshing to people I guess.
that being said it's fine to not like her, I just don't get it when people try to say she's catty or a shittalker about other youtubers when she's not. the only time she talks about them is when she's asked and she usually doesn't name names. in fact she probably is less afraid to do that because she has a real job, and doesn't have to worry about getting "cancelled" as much as say IBF. the only thing I don't like about her is that she has said things belong to the goth subculture that don't, like gothic literature and corsets.
I still find her to be catty in a subtle way.
She's older so she knows how to keep it under wraps.
Yeah I feel the same way anon. Angela is a breath of fresh air compared to scammer IBF who was the only other relatively popular Goth youtuber and she just makes better content without the annoying fluff. Though I think it's because Youtube isn't her job so she doesn't have to ad-whore herself out and complain about being broke.
But yeah I agree that her implying that Gothic Literature and Corsets was kinda dumb since those things are not Goth things as the literature is it's own entity and corsets have been around for centuries. But aside from that, she's a pleasant YouTube who has good presence and is inviting to newbies. >>935660
I just don't see how that is true. I still don't know about this blue-haired chick she was was talking about but she doesn't seem to bring her up all that much and the stuff with Toxic
Tears & Jake was understandable because before she let out the beans of how she really felt about them, she was mostly quiet about that stuff, at least video-wise that I'm aware.
Because she's always having to shove her nose in other people's shit and throw out her opinions on other people in the community. That's pretty drama-whore, anon. If she wasn't a drama whore she would just make cool videos about non-drama things, and her experiences, not all the drama shit.
I used to watch her, but her "better than everyone" attitude, and the way she has to focus on drama is just too cringy.
The only "drama" type video I can remember is her response video to Snowy Lowther and even then, she didn't say anything unreasonable in it at all and eve nthen, plenty of other Goth YouTubers partook in that giving their two cents since it did become a topic of discussion. Unless I'm forgetting another thing that happened where she was stirring the pot, I just don't think that she's that bad at all.
And I'm not trying to brown nose or anything, it's just that after having scammer IBF with her BS and Kaya/Jake with their nonsense, I just can't help but find Angela a refreshing change of pace with her story-time nostalgia-esq story times and how she talks about the music. Fair enough if you just don't like her, I used to think she had a holier than thou attitude as well but after going to a few of her livestreams, it really did help me see her in a different light.
Agreed. Angela is catty as hell. She tends to go after shitty people, so that makes it more bearable. But she absolutely enjoys telling people off. She's just not as obvious about it as some other drama channels.
She's the kind of person who claims to hate drama and pettiness but just HAS to speak up for the greater good, and somehow always finds herself involved in drama and pettiness. She and leigiaressurrected could have had this conversation privately, but chose not to do so.
I still enjoy watching her channel because she does discuss a lot of stuff relevant to the scene. And because quite frankly I don't exactly mind the drama. But I'm pretty sure she seeks it out.
>>935985>people are mad because I sell my books.
I think people are more upset about the "rituals" which start at $699, and the MLM stuff.>Magic spiritually drains you, so I can't do it for free. If I want to be able to help everybody I need to pace myself, so I can only accept paying customers.
I see. That's really convenient.>Youvshould do free tarot readings when you're a beginner, but not when you have done it a lot.>i have to do this because I want to do art and witchcraft fulltime.
I'd love to do music and dressmaking fulltime. Doesn't mean I get to scam people to get there. We all have things we'd rather be doing than our dayjob.>doing spells can be "energetically damaging" so they cost a lot.>working out of her house with her cats is nicer and more spiritually fullfilling than working in an office.>the rest is just her giving advice on how to market yourself as a witch.
totally forgot about Indi Summers, and yeah I remember Angela talking about some woman who was married but dated her friend and pretended to be a goth. I think they dated for like a year before he found out. I wonder how she even managed that.>>935753
I think people called her a "drama whore" and say she's "always sticking her nose in people's business" because of her comments about IBF and Kaya/Jake. BUT the only time she ever comments on IBF, Jake or Kaya is when she's asked or if someone else mentions it first so I don't think it really counts as sticking her nose in? To each their own I guess. You can't please everyone.>>935133
I almost want to believe this is a parody channel. Guy looks and talks like a damn cookie-cutter stereotype of an incel neckbeard.
Oh right, I remember this Indi Summers person as well. She stuck around a lot in the Goth Facebook groups though I didn't know she knew Angela though but yeah seeing her picture, she fits the "Blue hair" profile she was mentioning.
> I think people called her a "drama whore" and say she's "always sticking her nose in people's business" because of her comments about IBF and Kaya/Jake. BUT the only time she ever comments on IBF, Jake or Kaya is when she's asked or if someone else mentions it first so I don't think it really counts as sticking her nose in? To each their own I guess. You can't please everyone.
Ah okay but still, she doesn't seem to go out of her way and make full scale videos on these people and it does seem that she only mentions them when asked like in her brutally honest Q&A video. And until she starts drama of her own that is antagonistic to someone who doesn't deserve it, I'm just gonna stay in the mindset of "she really isn't that bad".
It's just a very hard and somewhat fast and loose thing when it comes to Goth YouTube. Because when it comes to actual Goths on YouTube, like you said, you have "Frooya" (kek) who is a blatant attention whore and then you have the myriads of poser Goths like Toxic
Tears, Jake, Dre Ronanye (does she even count anymore?) and so on and then you have the other actual Goths like Angela who some people will think that she thinks she's better than everyone because she's older, got to experience the tail end era of acclaim the Goth subculture was in during the 90s, and that she's conventionally attractive. I mean the only other thing I remember from scouring the previous threads is how Kai Decadence is a supposed transphobe but aside from that, he's pretty consistent with what he talks about with Goth. And same with Accumortis & Cadaver Kelly who are more music-based and consistent as well.
I just think that we have to accept that Goth YouTube just like any scene is what you make of it and I think in cases like this, we just have to go along what we can and cannot accept because when you think of it, no scene is 100% perfect.
>>934402>ruined a great opportunity due to retardation and privilege
Nta just tinfoil:
Maimagi and Manicmoth have been kicked by Attitude. They weren't invited for the last two or three Attitudefest, plus the sudden clothing swap in Lilachris' shop, it's safe to assume they have nowhere else to go.
I don’t feel any sympathy for them, since they seem incapable of counting their blessings and basically pimped out their “friend” for clout.>>936430
I really enjoyed reading this and all the others responses. Thanks.
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It seems that Mara is slowly moving into posting nudes on Patreon.
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I guess she is no longer doing the “asexual” stuff…
there are indeed asexual depictions of the body, like medical pictures.
That pic is not blatantly sexual per se. I think as a modeling, aestethic picture is nice, but being on patreon of course it's oriented to sexual consumption.
Well someone was saying in a previous thread that supposedly he's "tranpshobic" because he's been commenting on a lot of gender critical youtube videos with how he doesn't believe in transgenderism. I don't know too much about this though I did see that he commented on a video that was a tribute to the YouTuber Magdalen Berns.>>936731
Yeah I suppose you're right that artistic nudity is a thing even if some other people would use said nudity to fap to.
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>>936430>Dre Ronanye (does she even count anymore?)
Dre got mentioned earlier in this thread and someone got triggered
and said to take it to the FotR thread. Like yes she was a calf of Kelly but being a Hot Topic mall goth I think she fits here perfectly, plus she hasn't been friends with Kelly in a long ass time. But whatev.
Oh no when I said "does she even count anymore", I meant in terms of being a relevant topic since it seems like she's not as active anymore haha. >>937374
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Is Kat von D pregnant again? Only wondering because she was adamant that they would have just one. I hope Rafael didn’t force her to have another like he did with the first one.
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I just found this girl via the skeptic/shuwu thread. Scrolled down her profile and lo and behold..
They did a podcast to talk about her pregnancy, choice of prenatal care, and birthing process.
During the conversation, Rafael basically alluded to intentionally trying to get her pregnant. It just came across like he messed with her bc and they conceived without her explicit consent.
In the same podcast is where she stated that they were one and done; it sucks if she got forced to have another kid especially since she was childfree before she met Rafael.
But anon!!! You're forgetting an important thing:
Shes autistic! Autism is a gender.
Glad someone else pointed it out. That's pretty much a contradiction but I'm not surprised, this girl may just be like any other attention whore using "goth" (any fan of Jake/Toxic
Tears most likely isn't a Goth imo) to get attention.
Hm, I remember Kai commenting under a video saying he used to date bisexual men and they'd always try to push him into becoming trans. It's in a Shuwu thread somewhere, I feel he's posting. No one really cares that much about the guy, and his name comes up at the most random times. Some anon in the threads also has his typing style. >>936304>But her attitude of somehow being a spokesperson for the subculture makes me side eye her.
I like her, but I've noticed this as well. She somehow got some alt-right neckbeard to interview her, because she wanted to correct people about what goth is or whatever. If they were truly that curious they could've Googled it. >>937485
These tradthots have been obsessed with "goth" lately. The chicks just slap on a black and white filter and some black lips and claim goth. The profiles are usually full of metal songs.
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Adora spent Valentine's day with the danish guy.
Dating? Anyone knows?
she talks about the person in this video at 14:30
>woman finds angela's channel, skinwalks her, claims to be "elder goth" despite being in the scene for only 2-3 years>woman gets in relationship with angela's guy friend, a several year relationship>guy finds out that this woman was married, dresses normal most of the time with husband but "goths out" when she's with him
just wanna clarify we don't know if this person is indisummers, it is purely speculation
>>937660> Hm, I remember Kai commenting under a video saying he used to date bisexual men and they'd always try to push him into becoming trans. It's in a Shuwu thread somewhere, I feel he's posting. No one really cares that much about the guy, and his name comes up at the most random times. Some anon in the threads also has his typing style.
Yeah I'm not sure why he's being brought up when he's no where near as popular or well known like the usual ones mentioned here.
> I like her, but I've noticed this as well. She somehow got some alt-right neckbeard to interview her, because she wanted to correct people about what goth is or whatever. If they were truly that curious they could've Googled it.
Okay fair enough, I did see this and that alt-right neckbeard was not even relevant at all and had very low views. I remember seeing his video on her but I doubt it would've got any traction since the guy was literally coming across like a dumb ass. She really shouldn't have given him the time of day.
> These tradthots have been obsessed with "goth" lately. The chicks just slap on a black and white filter and some black lips and claim goth. The profiles are usually full of metal songs.
Yep, it's pretty pathetic but they usually see themselves out when they move onto the next trend. I think it's the whole "E-Girl" thing that they're chasing.
A lot of anti-feminists/MRA type women actually claim to be bi. They don't see it as an actual identity so much as a way to impress guys. A lot of men find the idea of two women making out applealing. So if you seek male validation and want to be told you're " not like other girls" it is useful to imply that you're up for some girl on girl action for the sake of the male gaze, while also making it clear you would never be in an actual relationship with a woman (traditionalist) and in the end will always return to dick.
Basically that Katy Perry song. Types like that are unfortunately part of the reason why a lot of people have a hard time viewing bisexuality as a valid
orientation, rather than something people do for attention or because they're " confused."
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Imagine explaining years later that your dad is such a douche he wears sunglasses and stares away in every family photo….. poor kid.
Yes. But she's autistic as all hell. And she was raised by her mother, who is still taking care of Phrynne after what she did to Dorian, and is still making excuses for Dorian's abusive
dad. She's probably had it engrained.
This one wasn't milk. Though some of her previous ones, especially her social commentary ones, absolutely were.
But videos like these are relevant, because they help explain some of her more insane behaviour.
said. Not all of her videos are milk but some are and these videos while not milky, are a good insight to see just how she became the way she is. Though the videos of hers that milk are definitely her social commentary and her life advice.
Is she referring to these threads when she was talking about "4chan tried to dox me" or did someone from 4chan actually try to dox her?>>939479>And she was raised by her mother, who is still taking care of Phrynne
what the actual fuck. Phrynne tried to fucking poison her! that is really fucking concerning that her mum is even in contact with him.
Dorian adressing the 4chan stuff.
This video is extremely annoying, but she didn't deserve the treatment she got.
I didn't watch the whole video but why did she take it down?
Also she says they're doing this because they're homophobic but Dorian isn't gay. Unless she's "gay" because she identifies as a man.
Yes. She identifies as a man, and is attracted to guys. So she considers herself gay.
But more to the point: the reason 4chan started doxxing her is because her clip was featured in a pride video, and because these assholes are fundamentally opposed to gay pride. Thus being homophobic.
Reading through those posts, most of them don't even seem to realize she was born female.
Also she th ook the video down because of the hate it recieved.
Apparently you felt passionately enough about that to make two separate but identical posts. I don't think saying someone doesn't deserve to be doxxed is throwing them a pity party.
But if you have some good milk that would make decent conversation, please share.
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I agree she doesn't deserve to be doxxed, none of the cows here do. Thats my point, I dont see the relevance of this in a altcow thread.
And yes I did because I'm trying to word it to avoid getting another triggered
response like this from you again. I'm not attacking her, I dont think someone being stalked/doxxed is milky, is that controversial?
An anon suggested in >>939613
that she was falsely claiming that 4chan had triedto dox her, which would have been milk, if true. Other Anons provided evidence to show that 4chan did try to doxx her. So it's relevant.
What exactly are you angry at? Also I don't think you should be accusinv other Anons of being triggered
I never said you had no sympathy for her, learn to read>>940045
It speaks volumes that you screenshotted my deleted post but not your own. In your original post that I was replying to you weren't just saying "um I don't think someone getting doxxed is that milky". You were whining and bitching that every post about Dorian in this thread is a "pity party". Good job at manipulative backtracking though.
Samefag as >>940090
but you calling me triggered
is rich, as the post you deleted was far more triggered
than mine was. No wonder you only screenshotted my post and not yours.
Legit she is so dumb. I don’t really understand how you can rent/sublet storage or apartments in countries you are not a citizen or longterm resident of, unless she has someone doing it for her.
Plus all this time she went AWOL online and she still has Mr. Owl as her backup dick until she finds Matts #2 to scam her way back to Europe. I don’t even know why I keep up with her anymore because her life is just swirling into nowhere.
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Catinawitchhat is accusing Mai of stealing her art concept.
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Mai’s new pic for reference.
I appreciate that she's actually into the subculture and clearly knows her shit, but she seems like she's really up her own ass. She shares some of the most mundane stories and delivers them like they're goddamn gospel and even the comments she leaves on other goth videos seem so self-important (although this could just be me projecting because I imagine her saying them in the same way she talks in her videos)
Yeah, she's an adult with an adult job and a life outside of YouTube but she still acts very much like she's 16 sometimes. She only brings up drama when she's asked but at this point she's done it multiple times and each time she's basically just repeating the same shit, so why keep doing it? Not to mention this whole "I'm gonna talk shit about somebody and be very specific with details about who it is but not actually name them." Either do or don't Angela, but don't play coy like some teenager posting indirects on their FB.
And this is just petty on my part because obviously there's more to friendships than subscribing to the same subcultures ut it's kinda weird that she's such good friends with ReeRee (who was going around calling herself goth when she's a metalhead) even though she's very protective of goth and looks down on posers so strongly.
I enjoy some of the content she puts out and admire her passion for the music, which is why I keep watching her, but her personality's kind of off-putting.
Yeh it’s been done but tits more the fact she keeps coming out “with ideas” right after catina does, every, single, time.
At some point these bitches need to have it out
She has accused so many people it has all become a blur. I am not sure if it was Cat specifically, but she did get mad at other girls in their circle selling “copies” of her artwork at various festivals over the years. It seems to be her go to method of intimidation/bullying to get rid of competition.
I know Annika and Felvae got into it as well over jewelry designs, but there’s only so much you can do when you have moderate skills and little money. Plus they’re all try hard vegans so everything has to be some sort of eco, green, woodsy nature crap.
Agreed. Mai has accused people of copying her because they sell braided belts. And she has accused Mara of copying her over painting white runes on a black background. All her stuff is so generic, yet she constantly claims incredibly simple concept as her own.
Watch her claim that other people are copying her because she has invented wiping her ass, and now everyone is doing it.
>>940740>whining about me "insulting" you, responds by insulting me back
>asking a question is sperging out
Uh, k. Sorry your feefees were that hurt by a cuss word lmfao.
not completely the same thing, but same face and same nails. mai got busted.>>940701
yeah if mai and moth stopped backstabbing mara this shit might stop. heard through the grapevine they kept badmouthing her and turn people against her. the twats really earned their nickname mean girls of the north
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She found us out guys
Oh no. We lost the respect of self-objectifying edgelord tradwifu.
Wonder if she had a google alert set to her name. She seems like the type.
>>940965>Is trying to start a fight and uses directed insults in 3 posts, says insulting people on here is fine but then gets offended at the idea of agreeing to disagree
Surprise, surprise.>Pretends their posts in this thread are not agressive hairtrigger projections but innocently "asking questions"
Sure, Jan. Still dont think dorian is a altcow, but we will agree to dis-oh I better not say that, right? I guess we will have a difference of opinion there. Happy?
if you learned how to read, you'd realize I was responding to the fact that you hypocritically whined about me calling you lazy (because we're supposed to be super duper polite on LC) then turned around and called me a sperg, not the part of you saying agree to disagree. you have an opinon about dorian? good for you. want a trophy?
you're the one after all who went on a spergy tirade about "dorian isn't a cow you all pity her way too much reeeee!" then promptly deleted it. it seems you're the one who can't handle other's opinions, not me. projection much?(incessant infighting)
I saw Jessica Lovecat posting about this, but both the girls in question are generic af. Imagine thinking you have some sort of a unique ownership over stuff like black lingerie with chains, stompy boots and fishnets, and dodgy finger tattoos that will look like a shapeless blob in a few years.
Speaking of Jessica, she's back with Dru, the same abusive
ex who has beaten the shit out of her on more than one occasion. I really worry about her and her kid sometimes.
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Maybe IBF is done with her ultra goth look for everyday.
Agreed, her skin will thank her for the rest. And I mean it's not like she can't do simpler makeup that still gives her a dark look while not being harsh and murder on the skin for daily use.>>942151
Pretty much. Not that there's anything wrong with makeup, it's a fun thing to do if you're into it but it's clear some people feel they need to wear intense makeup in order to be taken seriously as a Goth when it's not necessary at all and that talking about the Goth music you like and want to share with others and vice versa is what truly makes one Goth anyway.
guess not. she seems to always act like super in love or sexual with her gay friends or "booys" who think of her as unreachable.
When she was with Simon at WGT we saw her giving a fangirl a hug. They talked a little and Adora invited her to go partying with her and "the boooys" and claimed in her annoying voice: "oh, and don't worry. My friends are aaall gay as faahk".
>>942796>Those SJS's on the gothic amino will probably assume I was talking about masturbation, and will use it as "evidence" (fingerquotes included) that I'm some kind of incel or something.
Love how he needed to have his kid brother point this out to him. And I think the fact that you were arguing that you were "persecuted" for being male is what makes you sound like an incel.
Fucking love the gingham curtains in this attic crypt of doom. They really add an air of sinister dread.
>he credits "goosebumps" with introducing him to the goth scene. There was a goth girl character. And though he "didn't have much of a libido at the time" he was still really attracted to her. He also thinks this goth character is more worth emulating than the goth character in "book of shadoes" because " she smokes weed and occasionally does booze. At least Cassie is clean"
Jesus christ. Can this fucking guy do ANYTHING without sounding fucking creepy? Also, he still seems really infatuated with the hailey joel osmond character in that goosebumps episode. Given his age that is just wrong.
>cannot answer questions about clubbing because he's " a shutin" refers to someone who said that they're on the gothic amino as " one of those people."
>ends on a bill burr quote about "your dick is a dreamer. Think with the head on your shoulders, not the head below your belt."
I really wonder why this charming manchild gets so much shit for being a sexist.
Also, now I feel like I need to shower in bleach.
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Her history with her pets isn’t going away, I’m sure much to her dismay.
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Mara dear. Why the hell would anyone want to steal your shitty leaf sketches? They’re minimum effort, minimum skill. Get outta here with your watermark
lol I was literally just thinking of her. I can't tell if you're sarcastic or not but her last bf mike was borderline abusive
(like would try to tell her she couldn't wear makeup to work). this guy is definitely an upgrade.
I was being sarcastic. I don't keep up with her. If her last boyfriend was abusive
, that is genuinly sad and I feel sorry for her. If this doofus is an upgrade he must have been awful.
he wasn't full blown abusive
, at least according to her, but they would fight constantly and he had controlling behaviors that sounded like red flags. I'm going by what she said in her video where she talks about her break up.
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Erin Micklow is trying to profit off of COVID-19.
This is the most active Froyo's been in ages, I wonder why. Because the last time she "came back" from hiatus she dropped off again real quick.>>945939
Kaya is actually Irish. It's Jake with the fake accent.
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Mai apparently hired an “assistant” to help her manage her “business”. Now she is regretting it due to the quarantine, despite having said months ago anyway she is so broke and poor anyway. Maybe she pays her “assistant” in knit belts and tofu wraps.
Yeah I guess I can see that too. >>946165
I mean I will give Freya this. A Reaction video is at least somewhat more engaging than her constant haul videos. With her, it's pretty hard to think of what's "good" content she's done because when you think about it, the only interesting content she ever did was her traveling vlogs (even if it was on swindled money). But she can't do that anymore and I doubt she'll be able to scam her fans a second time. But one thing is for sure is that her channel would've really suckered down if she just focused on haul videos so diversifying is good.
And yeah, the second channel was a good move. I'm not really into ASMR but I can see it's hot trendy thing in the YouTube scene and it's pretty low effort as you say so it'll be something new. I just wonder how long she will last with it.
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Call me a prude but I wouldn’t want a life sized painting of baby me naked in my home. On prominent display….
Agreed. Orlee, or someone kn her orbit, lurks here hardcore.
Guess that "banishing ritual" she did on us didn't do jack shit. What a shocker.
I expect policing from mainstreamers and hardcore zealots because they’re raised to defend shit. Ideally being involved with magick gets you out of that triggered
, blind sheep mindset.
Haha. Clearly "mainstreamers" and "hardcore zealots" are the only ones who would be foolish enough to question mistress Orlee.
Mainstreamers. I haven't heard that term since I was fourteen.
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Kaya’s trying to convince people that Jake actually cares about her at all on Facebook (the original post was a silly joke that apparently made her laugh so much she couldn’t breathe)
I only watched 3-4 minutes bc I'm running low on data but for anyone who is curious she is just ranting about a dumb goth friend of hers who is posting on Facebook about going out with friends and hanging out, taking public transportation etc. She is just angry about it and saying why they shouldn't do that.
I wondered if it was Jake at first. But I don't think it is because he was complaining about people being "idiots" a few days ago on his OG story.
Some do. I don't know about "a lot." But her "leave Eugenia alone" video in which she accused other people of profiting off her for views, while she herself tagged her in unrelated videos made it extra shitty.
She tagged a bunch of other people (shane dawson, jeffrey starr, graveyardgirl etc) but the Eugenia thing is just particularly atrocious.
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Afraid to watch but she just looks annoying as hell. Weebs who think they're "goth" are the worst
>self diagnosed autist
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Her instagram is a delight.
Yeah I agree OP. Nothing makes me roll my eyes harder then a weeb claiming how they're into Goth when most of the time they aren't. >>951339
Sounds like future Toxic
Tears when her fans stop throwing money at her and she still has the compulsive shopping addiction. This girl sounds like a trip.
Dollskill pinning it to an imaginary designer who left coincidentally, it's like saying the dog ate my homework. Suuuuuure. Bunch of bs. >>946075
Spoilt rich girl thinks she is hot shit "ceo" despite having zero business acumen. Not too long ago Mai lost money because the store she chose to work with went bankrupt. The owner kept lying to her and withholding her stuff, she never saw it coming. Pleased to witness the airhead flushing money down the drain again.
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I don’t necessarily have milk but even though I always knew horrifictemptress/Ebony facetuned like a mf I never realized how bad it could actually be…. (posts with photos following this)
Since she loves to talk about how her natural hourglass figure and teeny tiny waist are 100% real, I just had to show you all. Feel sorry for her with her body dysmorphia. But damn.
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Her arms are what really got me, because she shops them so heavily? She also seems to have a really weird relationship with her mom because her mom is so young - they have a lot of sexy photos together and I can’t imagine that’s great for a girl growing up. Hell, I have issues with MY mom because she’s younger than normal moms and it sometimes feels like a competition. And that’s what I see with Ebony/her mom. I never see her posted so I thought this would be a nice break from the usual people we get stale milk on.
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this is stale milk but this thread is so dead I figured I'd post it here. these are just some screenshots I took during ang's last stream. ruadhan was saying shit like this nonstop (this is less than half of what he posted). he made the whole stream about himself practically and people were trying to help him but he just kept popping off like this and at one point a girl told him to meditate for his anxiety and he told her to go fuck herself. at that point angela finally muted him. she honestly had way more patience for him than I would have. I wonder how he's doing now.
Melodramatic much? Sure the quarantine sucks but damn get a grip. Sounds to me like he didn't take his pills or something. Yeah I give Angela props for dealing with his craziness.>>952995
Never heard of this person but hot damn that shop job. I don't get why these people shop themselves so drastically to the point of unrecognizable. Are they trying to look as inhuman as possible?
I feel like she lies and embellishes her stories a lot. I think it's a low self-esteem thing as well as trying to convince her following she's attractive and sought after, but she always says men openly hit on her every time she goes out? like its an extremely consistent thing for her? I just can't see that being realistically the case, she's attractive but not breathtaking by any means.
She also always talks about how intelligent and highly educated she is but always makes silly grammatical errors and uses questionable word choices in her Instagram stories xD (I understand it happens but the contrast is amusing nonetheless).
Anyway, glad to see her here! she's very milky.
Wow. Way to throw a fit. Considering how a previois Anon mentioned he likes to grope people at the club without their consent, virtual clubnights might be the best thing for him.
I kind of suspect his deep hatred of Dorian is based on the fact that they're both autistic unstable trans writers who are on a ton of medication and have no impulse control. But Dorian gets more attention.
WTF! She shooped herself half her real size. This woman is almost bbw with double chin. I loled at the classy blacked out neck >>952995
It didn't work on Munro as well.
Gotta agree. If you perform high femininity, men will hit on you just like that. So I don't think her claim of being hit on by men is that farfetched if she dresses in such a way all the time she goes out.
But I can see how that would still be a form of low self-esteem if you need to brag about it a lot.>>953061
Pretty much. Both mental unstable cases who need their medication to keep them in check and without it, they'll do some questionable things from this freakout to back when Dorian was an alcoholic. I think Dorian gets more views because she's been on YouTube a lot longer and she films in decent quality. I think she's a mess but I've gotta give credit where it's due, her videos don't look shotty as far as face-cam videos go.>>953167
Does that whole black neck really work on overweight people? I haven't seen a case of it ever doing what they think it does.
and Dorian actually has interesting insights on things like drugs and anorexia… I havent watched much of Ruadhan aside from his 'black friday needs to quit her crap' video but he seems like he has a toxic
attitude. and yeah the e begging is annoying which is ironic cos I think that's one of the things he was mad at froyo for.
The sloppy drunk ones or the edgelord "female privilege" one?
I've been wondering too. Does anybody have the video where she talks about phrynne trying to poison her? I remember Dorian saying phrynne threatened legal action for that.
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I've always been confused about this because people use both male and female pronouns for Dorian-are they MtF? Dont want to misgender them. Also did not know Rhudhan was too-also MtF?>>953198
Well to be fair, its a pretty low bar if you're comparing them to Rhudhan (no offence to Rhudhan fans!) But I do think its true for some youtubers, I honestly think Jude Bishop would not have the followers she has were it not for her looks because her videos are boring as fuck.
Not a fan of either Ruadhaun or Dorian,doubt anyone here is hahaha.
But agree 100% anon, they couldn't be more similar. Both are serious nutcases, autistic, utterly self absorbed and expect to be treated as very "special" indeed.
The YT "genuine goth" scene has cut Ruadhaun a lot of slack, probably for calling out IBF and haul videos. Angela tolerates him at the very least and Ligeia resurected moderates his live streams(dear God why?) up to them if they indulge him but I should think his high and mighty attitude must be getting old by now. I think people feel sorry for him at first, I know I sort of did.
Can't see either Ruadhaun or Dorian being capable of attracting a decent partner.A desperate hobosexual might be on the cards for Ruadhaun since he does have a modest flat. As far as Dorian goes,her last relationship was with an actual trans woman (m to f)who tried to poison her, quite shocking!
Actual IRL friends? Doubt either one has any for long. Who could bear their monologues?
One key difference is while Dorian is enabled by well off family, Ruadhaun's parents are dead and didn't leave him $ and if he has siblings he isn't close to them,so no family handouts, he is living off DSS and guilting subscribers to send him presents like almond milk off his Amazon wish list.
Ruadhaun is female to male transexual and has had both "top" and "bottom" surgery on the government's dime, he is always displaying his flabby body on YT and you can see the breast removal scars across his chest..He has done a few videos about being trans but like everything he does they are extremely petulant and rambling.
Dorian is a woman who is 100% transgender, other than changing her name to Dorian (? It's possibly her give name?) she has done nothing to transition,tho these days probably says she is "non binary".
Dorian's birthname is Jen. I don't know what Ruadhan's birthname is.
Though the problem with Ruadhan (well, one of many) for me is his endless kickstarter and gofundme requests. And the fact that he claims to love the scene, but has no problems making merch using bandlogos and selling it in his shop without permission.
He clearly hates Dorian because he's jealous of her.
And they have both had relationships. Dorian complains about not seeing her ex anymore, and Ruadhan blamed his ex for bringing a bug infestation into his house and started a gofundme to pay for an exterminator.
>>953547>I've always been confused about this because people use both male and female pronouns for Dorian-are they MtF? Dont want to misgender them. Also did not know Rhudhan was too-also MtF?
Dorian and Ruadhan are both biologically female. Dorian identifies as a man, but won't take hormones or get surgeries. Ruadhan actually did transition.>>953488
Many have been deleted. She used to get drunk and make sloppy videos and has since deleted a lot of them. In one of them she talked about someone (anons think an uncle) who sexually abused her. I didn't see that video, I just heard about it. And then of course the more recent "female privilege" one that got deleted/privated because of dislikes.
>>953547>What is Dorina
Dorian is just an attention seeking woman who fetishized gay twinks and wanted to be one yet continually goes for a feminine look and even at points, accentuated her breasts with push-up bras. In short, she's just an attention whoring woman who jumped aboard Gender train when it was getting more popular around 2014-2015.
As for Ruadhan, I think she's a FTM.>>953556
I believe Dorian had one IRL friend but he passed away last year (I can't remember if it was natural causes or drug-related though). But yeah seeing how self-absorbed they are and how they seemingly have no interest that aren't tied to vanity, I don't know who would want to be friends with them except younger teenagers, more so to Dorian than Ruadhaun. >>953581> his endless kickstarter and gofundme requests.
Yeah same. It really makes his bitching towards Black Friday and Toxic
Years hypocritical. Like he didn't actually make those videos to call them out to make a point but just to vent how they were able to sucker people to give them money whereas it's a struggle for him.
You seem to know a bit about Ruadhan so I gotta ask. Before the pandemic, do you know if he actually had a job? Like he complains about his money troubles and he does get DSS but did he actually have a job on top of it? >>953722> sexual abuse
Yeah she uploaded the day before Thanksgiving of 2018 and she said that it was someone in her family and that her mother didn't believe her when she told her about it. That and her getting poised by her ex were the only noteworthy things during Dorian's sloppy-drunkfest because aside from that, she only really talked about this weird fake breast/push up breast thing she bought and how she fondled it on camera or a strap-on she bought and would talk about how much she liked it and wanted to use it… lol
Ah okay, thanks for the fill-ins. So she does get money already. I wonder why she's always e-begging when she can just keep selling her merchandise because if it's good, it'll sell. >>953915
Really…? LOL I guess I just have the image of what she looks like now where i find it hard to see her as a "pro domme". Either way I'm betting that didn't pay much unless she was that in demand.>>953951
They're just really coming out of the wood works now aren't they? Tsk…
Ty for the info I did not know that!
I would have liked to see the female privilege one, especially if they identify as a man. Would love to know what exactly they said to piss everyone off lol. I can understand them taking down the other ones.
Chill. If you mean the recent posts above then yes, but that's not receipts. If you are referring to any other posts then no. I've just watched the video you mentioned, and surprised that Ruadhan brought up some valid
points, and quite a bit of it is just a life blog. Not sure where the accusation of jealousy can be made regarding the video.
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No milk, but just another little rant about the state of the gawf online community. But man, I am so sick and tired seeing pics like these with "models" facetuning their visage and body beyond hell being liked and upvoted like crazy. This girl here mostly posts on gothstyle on reddit and her posts get so many upvotes… but don't dare to point out how fake it is, or else the thirsty big tiddy goth creeps will give you fire.
How exactly is this shit any different from the mainstream instathots? Why are people in this bloody community so shallow and repeat the same bullshit beauty standards that the mainstream is preaching? I know we discussed this several times and I know the answer is "because they don't give a shit about the music, only about likes and clout", but it still makes me angry.
Especially since I was bullied by the "normies" for defying conventional beauty standards and being the kind of girl every one would make fun of for being "ugly". And now the same people put on 1kg of make up, expensive gawf shit from Dollskill and act all "counter-culutre" and "alternative beauty!!!". Pisses me off.
Not that Anon. But his points would hold a lot more value if he wasn't doing what he accuses Dorian of, but worse. Pretty much the backbone of his channel is starting drama for attention or exposure.
I honestly don't know if it's jealousy. I think he was just calling out Dorian because he was very succesfull after calling out IBF and TT, and just wanted to call out another goth youtuber to get views. It's just that people don't really care a lot about what Dorian does. And he has this habit of accusing people of whatever he himself does. Like ebegging with IBF and attention whoring with Dorian.
Previous gofundme's were for vet bills, exterminators, covering expenses, rent, dental work, and several were for book and music projects. No idea if anything came of it. And I think I forgot a few.
Post about Ruadhan being a creep.
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it was mostly your run of the mill "skeptic" logic spewed by people like shoe0nhead. men can't show emotions and are expected to be shtrong yadda yadda yadda. she also said it sucks to be a short man (to be fair it does) and said women had it easier because short women don't get made fun of, completely ignoring what it's like to be a tall woman. oh and she also said that the standards for female actors in nude scenes is lower than the standards for men in those scenes (this is something that effects all men apparantly).
sorry I can't remember more of it. it was discussed in this thread though if you're willing to lurk >>>/snow/874753
I appreciate his point that busses are fucked in the current crisis. But the way he just flatly states that he needs this thing and list how people can give him money, without even awknowledging that it's a big ask, is pretty atrocious. And he does this with all his money raising efforts. He never shows any gratitude to the people who contribute, or even awknowledge them. He just bitches about the people who don't give him money.
At first I liked his calling out Froyo video. But the more I find out about him, the more I realize he really is a giant hypocrite.
I think now that his need for drama is starting to generate more attention, people might start to catch on to his constant panhandling.
I remember other anons saying she was shit stirring previously by inserting herself into drama in previous threads, so I dont think its much of a reach. Also he was not "going after"dorian. Dorian made a video about him and he responded. If you want to make that argument it would be to say he went after freya.>>954838
Lol yeah he talks about dorian for about 5 minutes and then the rest is random stuff.
Like most subs on reddit it suffers from being an echo chamber and their regular posters acting like they are experts. You can easily get downvoted if you share certain opinions, and I am not talking about disagreeing that goth is about music (because that's a fact).
Most posts about music are fine, but the endless discussions about what is gawf and people shaming each other for their political ideologies (or being not woke enough) is annoying as hell.
>>954872> Lol yeah he talks about dorian for about 5 minutes and then the rest is random stuff.
For real. I mean I watched the whole thing but fuck man, I'm pretty sure that's a constant thing seeing how long her videos are. >>955014
I'm more causal of that sub but I haven't seen people bullying others out or anything like that. I have seen the arguments but the regulars who say things like this or that band aren't or are Goth, they are being reasonable and some of them do go into detail of why that is. Like I know the YouTube Cadaver Kelly sometimes posts or interacts in the comments there and she really does know her stuff, especially since she knows about Music Theory and Instrumental structure so I wouldn't consider someone like her being a snob, just trying to share knowledge. >>955169
I don't think she did though I think it would depend more on the comments she was getting on the video which unfortunately we can't see anymore. I'm curious if anyone actually called her out on her nonsense.
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Ruadhan bought a new phone a while ago because his government smartphone was shit. How bad are those things really? Or is he wasting money?
So she basically said what majority of population above the age of 30 knows. If you don't believe that for example men showing certain emotions is shunned in good portion of society around globe or females have much higher chance of keeping children with them after divorce, etc - I advice you to go outside more often. >>954674
>Dorian isnt an antifeminist are they?
I don't recall Dorian ranting against gender equality. So if gender equality is feminist then Dorian didn't publish anything to consider her antifeminist. But not all of branches and sects of feminism are created equal and many are known to casually attack each other (for example topic of porn and female nudity in public places -like billboards, fashion etc is notorious example - some groups see it as empowering women other as very opposite) it makes your question problematic
. So if bringing to attention that females have better position in some areas of life than men is antifeminist - then she is. But that would mean that feminism == being in denial about reality.
Agreed. But, it's actually much better now. It used to be full of old school posers (no, I didn't think that was a thing either) throwing around their age and whining about the goth sub because they got called out in the 90s for being fake and are still salty about it. >>954165
These types are just bland alt people. They infiltrate whatever scene is getting attention atm. A few years ago they were metalheads, some years before that they were punk, now they're claiming goth. They're the alternative form of the normie who clings onto whatever mainstream trend is currently popular.
Yeah that's pretty much what they are. whenever I visit profiles like hers, it's just full of "model" pictures and showing off brand names but never reference that they like the music or the few that do, it's pretty obvious when they throw around tags like "Metal" or "Emo" and it says all you need to know about them. In 3-5 years, they'll be gone and on to the next trend.
>Old School Posers
Yeah I actually saw this kind of thing. The people who would say that because they were around in the 80s, they know more about Goth than someone who was born after the 80s and then spout off non-goth bands like Depeche Mode, Culture Club, and The Smiths as Goth bands lol.
>>954674>could it be unlisted?
I don't think so, because I'm pretty sure you can still embed unlisted yt videos. I think she privated/deleted it.
>is Dorian antifeminist?
Doubt it since Dorian is quite left leaning and buys into a lot of gender theory stuff. I think of Dorian were antifeminist she wouldn't believe in being non binary etc.>>955363>So she basically said what majority of population above the age of 30 knows. If you don't believe that for example men showing certain emotions is shunned in good portion of society around globe or females have much higher chance of keeping children with them after divorce, etc - I advice you to go outside more often
The thing is, she brought up shitty things about being a man but they were things enforced by the patriarchy but acted like it's women's fault. She also basically said thst being objectified is female privilege.
Privilege - a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.
Social norms - are regarded as collective representations of acceptable group conduct as well as individual perceptions of particular group conduct.
Definitions may differ depending on which ideological strain of feminism or other ideological movement you represent.
Is being objectified privilege? In general case I doubt (there are people who wish to be objectified), yet there are people who don't agree with me on that. Am I privileged to call them "fucked up"? At least people who see it as positive thing and are for objectification for both genders are consistent and in line with equal rights. The whole other topic is what objectification means in that context as in decades long infighting in feminism on subject of porn that is centered on what is objectification of female body and what is empowerment. Feminist against (any form of) porn see feminists pro (at least some forms of) porn as supporting objectification, while these pro porn call them more or less insane.
Was Dorian using directly term "objectification" - or was it something other that you _personally_ see as an objectification? I don't recall seeing that video so I can only know from words of others what it was said in it.>>955576
>I think of Dorian were antifeminist she wouldn't believe in being non binary etc.
Beliving or not in non binary is separate topic from feminism. There are strains of feminism that are not in line with non binary movement. There are strains that don't belive in being transsexual. And many other. Many strains of feminism are at war with each other because of such differences. It's not a monolith movement. It's more or less based around idea of equality of rights but in many cases differs on what these rights should be and what other aspects related to gender, sex etc are important as well and what is ideal goal in eventual changing them.
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And she wonders why people think shes trans
Why are you being so haughty and defensive about a video you haven't even seen?
As dorian seems to be someone, from what I have gathered in their comment section, liked for being "honest and open" its a shame they decided to delete this (and who knows how many other videos) for whatever reason-linked thread says negative feedback but it could be other reasons. I would have more respect for dorian if they left it up-after all youtube isnt a stranger to controversial videos, and all we have now to go on is the comments of the people who did actually see it.
>There were few shitstorms where some regulars were unironically defending communism as a clever and good system and basically treating everyone who don't agree as a dumb [literally] Trump's fanatics and nazis [WTF?] and started insulting them in more or less open manner.
This is exactly the kind of shit why I have started to stay out of r/goth discussions. Their discord server has pretty much the same problem. I don't have a screenshot at hand and it happened a while back in January/February, but there was an incident on their gothrock music channel where a user posted a song from a Dark Electro band. People instantly jumped on her, but not only because the band isn't goth and the song should be posted to "other music". They mainly gave her really bad fire for the group being a "Nazi band" and that she shouldn't promote such music, because fascists will gain from exposure. They also instantly assumed she was ok with the bands politics and that she was financially supporting them.
I can understand where they are coming from, since the EBM/Electro scene def has a problem with right wingers and we def should talk about that, but they got way too personal. It's one thing to criticize a band for their image and political associations and tackle the infiltration of alternative cultures by extremists, but it's another to flame and bully a person for listening to a band. She even tried to say, that she is aware the group may be problematic
and doesn't support right wing ideologies… but that's not good enough.
It really irks me how much that whole cancel culture bullshit forces us to constantly feel guilty and excuse ourselves for liking things that may be morally or ethically questionable. It's like the whole 90s "concerned parents" nonsense again, where you had to defend your love for politically incorrect and violent media (like certain videogames) and everyone assumed you are going to do a killing spree or become a school shooter because of it. Except now people will claim you are a Nazi and will "literally" murder minorities by listening to Burzum, Death in June or some other stupid controversial band.
It’S BeInG pRiCiSe
Going on a multi paragraph sperg looks defensive to me. Literally no one cares about you opinion about feminism. It’s opinion not facts, retard.
Dark electro? Was it Yet Another "Feindflug Bad" Shitsorm? Or was that band Nachtmahr (what would make the whole shitstorm even more retarded)?
The more shitstorms in that vein I see the more I'm assuming that people who start them belive in some sort of "international undercover nazi conspiracy to turn whole nations into white supremacist lovers of Mein Kampf by usage of morse alphabet encoded subliminal messages hidden in bass lines and drum machine". LMAO
It's literally analogue of believs in "Jewish Conspiracy" but with different "undercover unseen enemy We All have to unmask and bring to light at all cost" and who is "constantly acting from behind the curtain". There are even places that censor Rozz Williams songs… because "racism"…
If I like the sound - I like the sound. I don't go trough list of all present and former band members and check their ideological background or if they ever said anythin pro- Third Reich or pro Soviet Union and if I discover they did I don't go full retard bashing anyone who post their music as propagandists of massmurdering regimes of Hitler, Lenin, Che Guevara, king Leopold II of Belgium or whoever else. OK - if someone from band said anything pro Stalin or pro Hitler it would be pissed off. But most of internet shitstorms are centered around "supposed nazism" that is "seen" by "expert witchfinding generals" in things like wearing military uniforms (Laibach excluded becaus left wing philosopher Zizek gave them blessing and told publicliy the obvious truth that Laibach usage of totalitarian imaginery is ironic).
Yes there are people with pro Nazi views. There are also people with pro communist views. I don't like pro Nazi views and I don't like pro communist views. But what I mostly see in online dispute is a witch hunt. How is witch hunt supposedly going to defend any scene from "nazi wrath"? They never cared to answer that question because asking such questions is "being secretly Nazi" to them. They attack without mercy and blow everything out of proportion just to act in the end as a noble chivalry defenders of freedom… despite behaving like exact opposite. They literally act like blinded zaelots policing what we are forbidden thinking.
Even if some band is openly Nazi (or Commie or whatever trashy ideology are they related to) we have full right to post and discuss in civilized manner their music or other forms they make and point out we like for example chord progression used in their songs and point out what we don't like in their art and why. It does not make us Nazis.
I found this video oddly disingenuous. Not only does she not mention the actual
last normie transformation video she did, which was much better than this one and the first one, she also says that she has so many ideas
for Youtube but only churns out monthly favorites and another one of these transformations. Even if she went for this because she got a wig from a sponsor, she could have done other things with it that aren't another I try to look normal and fail teehee
video. Especially when it includes going outside during a pandemic.
I suppose that's what happens when you try to cater to normies, or when you're too lazy to try anything new.