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Thread for those involved in the goth community and other notorious altcows who whinge, binge, and beg their way through festivals and endless Killstar hauls.
Previous thread: >>893423
Jake Munro & Toxic
It's Black Friday
Kat von D & Leafar Seyer
Of Herbs and Altars/Dorian
The Witchy Goth Gang
Avelina de Moray
Julia Zelg & Eileen Van Arden
Father Sebastian/Todd Hoyt
But they have been bringing new cows? The thread pic is literally of a new cow.. We also discussed Sebastiaan a few threads back who is probably the most cow of all the cows, but hasn't been very milky lately. Same with Voltaire.
(Btw love the thread pic, kudos)
I think it's a matter of the places people lurk. For example, I don't really lurk on Twitter or Instagram all that much. I mostly just lurk about on Youtube which is why I only ever really was engaged with the IBF, Toxic
Tears, Jake, and Dorian. Oh and Dre Ronayne, Hello Batty, & Social Repose back when they were doing what they were doing.
I know someone brought up that Orlee chick in the last thread but I think the only reason I never heard of her was because I don't seek out occultist Youtubers since it's not really my thing.
this is a good point, but there have been some non-YT cows that just got forgotten or weren't milky enough.
a few threads back there was some goth alt-right/white nationalist guy on twitter. I can't remember his name though. he just sort of got forgotten.
someone brought this chick in the last thread who vaguely looked like adora and had a terrifyingly small waist who was only on instagram. but she wasn't really a cow I guess.
and who could forget kady rae? that whole thing was weird though and apparently it was raven posting her here.
Speaking of Orlee, she discusses being goth in this video. It starts at around 24:20. The only band mentioned is kittie, though she doesn't say they're goth.>>926744
I brought up Orlee. And I'd never heard of her either. The thread was getting stale. So I thought I'd see if father sebastian and company had any lols to offer. Searched "real vampire" and there she was.
Though I have to say, listening to her talk about her shitty childhood in the above video is sad. Not sad enough to excuse her charging gullible fragile people $699 for a "private ritual", but still sad.
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Chuckula occasionally gets brought up and he's got enough milk to bring some of the magic back into some of these threads. Why don't we fianlly address the cross-dressing elephant in the room?
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He's a racist, sexist, cross-dressing, Trump loving wannabe vampire with an insatiable Goth girl fetish. He's had a presence online since at least the MySpace era and has only gotten more absurd over the years. He's had a bunch of "girlfriends" with all kinds of drama attached, most of these "girlfriends" have been trolls that ironically enough include actual Goth girls. A compelling argument could be made that he's the Gothic equivalent to Chris Chan. He's got a hilariously cringey masturbation video called "Chuckula's Sexual Tears" that he got tricked into doing by a fake girlfriend. He has a disappointingly page on Encyclopedia Dramatica. He's also gone on record bashing damn near every minority group under the sun from blacks to Asians all the way to women in the military.
TL;DR this fucker is an absolute goldmine
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Now there's a troll worth going after.
For fuck's sake, look at this product of cousinfucking.
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This asshole is the perfect example of an altcow imo, it's just constant milk with him over and over again
Oh my god, I had stumbled upon this guy online and legit thought it was a poor attempt at satire!
Im loving the new cows, it's a new era.
I think we have to discuss Christina Death, that woman who is obssessed with Rozz William, thinks very highly of herself just because she has some things that belonged to him. There's more milk on her, I'll try to make a summary.
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The real kicker is that he's been doing it since the mid to late 2000's. That's kinda long for it to just be a simple troll. If this is just some guy putting on a character then he's on par with Andy Kaufman
I feel like this guy is just trolling for the sake of trolling. If he's for real, he's an idiot if he thinks he'll be able to muster up a fan-base by being a racist.>>926915
Does this tool even have any followers? lol>>926986
It's just hard to take this guy seriously. He doesn't get likes on his asinine comments andhe doesn't seem to be interacting with anyone. It just feels like he's saying the most offensive thing he can to get a rise out of someone.
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IBF has a manager?
If she'd seemed like a person who just made casual videos whenever she felt like it I'd be taken aback. But this is obviously not the case. She is a professional youtuber who presents herself in a calculated, albeit hackneyed, way. So getting a manager might mean she'll start actually creating content for the patreon supporters who are somehow still tj
Hrowing money at her. I hope this new manager knows what they've signed up for.
This. The cycle usually goes like>There's no milk wah wah wah> (a new potential cow gets posted)>This isn't milk!!!!!! Talk about someone else because I'm the sole judge of milk potential!!!
Just scroll past and shut up
Everyone posted "sexy" pics of themselves at 16, 17, get over it. She's not a child pornographer.
You people are obssessed with Toxic
Tears. I propose that a thread is created to discuss her and Jake exclusively so you can go there. Most anons are sick of nitpicking every little thing they do because it is not milk and no one cares anymore. Please, just go to a thread of your own and everyone will be happy
I mean yikes at that
but fair enough, assuming “everyone” does that -
she was 14 or 15 (not that 16 or 17 is any less illegal) & it is a professional photo shoot, she’s fully in lingerie and underwear and there’s A LOT of them you absolute nonce. Your willingness to brush it off as perfectly fine and normal speaks volumes.
Indeed. And if you need to rage at anyone, blame the photographer, who was probably quite a bit older than she was.
Posting sexy pics of yourself as a teenager is not the smartest idea. You may regret it, and the internet never forgets. But that doesn't make it child pornography.
Gotta agree. The fact that she needs a manager to do livestreaming is laughable when youtubers half her size are able to do it no problem at all, all on their own.>>927238
It's gonna be hilarious if she gets questions about her bullshit and she tries to scramble with her answers lol.
Fuck off with your Toxic
Tears obssession. There wasn't anything to talk about her, you saw that people lost interest and started to get excited about discussing new people so you brought up this absolutely nonsensical subject. For real, create a fucking thread dedicated to discuss her and jake and stop clogging this thread with NOTHING. There is nothing to talk about her and jake at the moment, let the subject die, let us discuss other people.
Is this a personal vendetta of yours? Because it 100% looks like it. Fuck off
Agreed. I'm all for talking about Kaya, if there is actual milk. But there hasn't been any for so long now. Meanwhile we have a fullblown scammer who does cringy rituals for a fortune, and an actual garbage human who seems unable to stop yelling the n word.
But meh, Kaya posted some pics you don't like…
I was thinking about making a separate thread for Kaya and Jake when I did this one because their drama isn’t even goth related anymore.
I didn’t want to upset anyone or overstep boundaries so I just left it alone. I have no problem volunteering to make one at anytime. I have nothing else to do lol.
Tears and Jake are still self-obsessed poseurs who will never be seen as Goth or taken seriously by actual Goths and that's pretty much it. There's nothing left to say about them so it's best to just move on and talk about other people and only bring the other two up if they do something cringe-inducing. There's no point in posting every little thing they do. We get it, Kaya is a slob who has terrible dress sense and can't dress for her size and Jake is a self-absorbed jackass. >>927480
That'll probably be best anon. They aren't Goth and at this point, their drama has nothing to do with the scene these days, it's just them being dimwits.
I made the TT and Jake thread. Sorry if isn't perfect, I just wanted this shit up so we can bring some fresh milk into the altcow threads.
You’re very welcome, anon.>>927791
I know, but at least we have a dedicated space for TT now to make room for new cows. That way we won’t have friction between two opposing camps who want different things in the thread.
She is surprised that people have stopped sending her subscription boxes to open. Really? She never does videos that she promises and is always hard to reach. I wonder why they won't work with her.
She's also thought of starting her own subscription box.
She's still renting the glasgow flat for her stuff. She briefly mentioned her cats still being in germany. One has been given away, the other one is being longtime cared for.
They usually are. I put up the youtube link.>>927835
>One has been given away, the other one is being longtime cared for.
Lol they have both been given away - who is she fooling. I think it was in thread 15 or 16 that someone came in who had one of her cats.
I don't have time to watch the video at the moment and I don't think I want to sit through a near 2 hour video of her getting sucked off by her fans. >>927835
What does she expect when she barely uploads videos? >>928081
Eugh… I guess she didn't take the advice of just staying in her home country for a few years and then move when she's more financially stable.
She will do it the moment she gets enough money from donations.
I just wonder how she is paying for the “shitty” apartment that is currently her hoard stash.
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Adora being insensitive and vulgar as usual. She really didn’t learn to keep her mouth shut after the whole “I’m a black girl lulz” drama. I’m surprised people follow her when it’s been confirmed that she was previously a nazi sympathizer and clearly, still a racist.
What the actual fuck Adora!
Also, what's this about her being a nazi sympathiser?
Since when was Adora a nazi sympathizer?
Is this more delusional bullshit like "Freya is a white supremist because she has skin lightening products!!!!!" or do you actually have proof?
Have y'all never seen the picture from her 20s where she's wearing a nazi germany military jacket as a fashion statement? I can't find the photo rn but will post if I do.
She also openly listens to and promotes faschwave which has telling lyrics.
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Sebastian Columbine still pushing her whole non- binary thing. Girl, maybe if you presented as anything other than a hyper feminine girly girl once in a while we'd take it a bit more seriously.
I have some friends who identify as non binary but they're all androgynous af and genuinely don't fit into male/ female stereotype so I can kinda understand the label. Sebastian is just out here trying to feel special.
I am not saying that it is okay just because Siouxsie did it, but they wore the swastika more to be provocative than to support nazis. Adora has always been provocative in many other ways, that has always been her so it is unsurprising. She does it so that people stare and talk. Siouxsie pretty much admitted to doing the same. They are not nazis, anon just failed to read between the lines and think a bit deeper. >>928816
I don't consider Victoria to be a cow because I do not think she displayed much cowish behavior? Correct me if I am wrong.
Siouxsie has adressed her past use of nazi imagery. She's said that it was deeply stupid, she regrets it, and she has apologized to anyone she may have hurt.
If Adora does the same, rather than pretend it didn't happen, I wouldn't denounce her.
>Have y'all never seen the picture from her 20s where she's wearing a nazi germany military jacket as a fashion statement?
I have seen numerous people wearing numerous pieces of uniforms of different armies from past and nowadays in my life. Also many trendy pieces of clothing originated as army clothing.
Explain me how the fuck wearing a jacket tells anything about wearer other than the fact that wearer likes the look?
If you wear trench coat it makes you supporter of British Empire and it's crimes in colonies? If you wear steel toed combat boots it makes you supporter of war crimes of US Army during Vietnam war?
Please don't continue that retardation.
>I can't find the photo rn but will post if I do.
Posting it would not change a lot TBH.
> She also openly listens to and promotes faschwave which has telling lyrics.
Pics or didn't happen.
There's a difference between wearing army gear, or army insoired fashion, or even modern German military attire, and wearing Nazi stuff. Depends of course on the kind of jacket. Are we talking "similar cut" or "full on nazi symbols." Because one is fine, and the other is not. There's a reason why wearing Nazi symbols is illegal in Germany.
The problem with Adora is not just the stuff she foes. It's how she brushes off any criticism she may recieve, because she is just so edgy and shocking, and it was a joke you guys!
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If you have any proofs of your claims that she has anything to do with being Nazi just support your claims with proof otherwise quit your shitposting. You return with that theory of yours regular since many threads and so far you posted literally nothing to support that claims.Otherwise there is literally zero reason to treat you even remotely seriously.
Yeah. I honestly think it's a combination of bad English, being self concious and awkward, and just not being the brightest crayon in the box.
I tend to think of victoria as kind of harmless. The one thing that irks me about her is her clinging to the goth label but only ever talking about metal. But she hasn't done anything truly horrible or anything. She's just kind of boring.
Yeah she's harmless but her main goal in life is to be famous… she got a super boring personality.
She has been in swedens next top model (didn't win, duh), swedens project runway (didn't win that either), a shitshow called "outsiders" when she got her permanent fangs… she's a fucking joke and I can't stand her or her retarded voice.
Yeah. This was posted on an earlier thread. It's amazing how many of these cows (julia, victoria, jude) have been featured on that show.
Speaking of which, has anybody ever brought up rottingdoll and her creepy puppeteer boyfriend here?
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He does look like a young Manilow before all the plastic surgery.
The hot part? Whatever floats your boat I guess lol.
You brought her up on the last thread too for no reason other than "she is a goth and I am insecure". I thought we had reasons to call them cows and no I am not new here, I have seen some of you defending your reason for bitching because they scammed people, are greedy and liars. So basically that is what this is now, a bunch of miserable nobodies go on a forum to anonymously obsess over ANY alt girl that intimidates them and makes them feel insecure, and we call them cows? Even if they did nothing? I remember a time where we had valid
reasons to rip on altcows, now a lot of you are beyond desperate trying too hard to keep your obsession alive and end up being worse than the listed cows. I suppose it is all you have.
"Kaya deserves to be bullied because she bullied fat people on PULL! I have morals! But actually I can bully whoever I want because I am worse than Kaya and I know it"
You can always leave the forum if the gossip is not up to your standards. I’m tired of you moralfag anons constantly littering the thread with “this isn’t milk!!11” or “this is bullying!!1”
Make your own thread then.
No one said Victoria is a cow but her thirst for fame, haul videos and way of speaking was enough to start talking about her.
I’m sorry if it’s you and we hurt your feelings, or if you’re a fan and don’t like people gossiping about your idol, but seriously, get over yourself.
Stop bitching at people for gossiping on a gossip forum.
oh no, you called us insecure nobodies, that really hurt anon. I have to go cry in the bathroom for an hour. look what you've done!>>930049
but anon, don't you know that gossiping on a gossip forum is literally worse than murder? we have to be careful with what we say, otherwise the people who only care about who gets mentioned on a gossip forum (you know, instead of caring about real problems in the world like poverty and war) well, their feelings will be hurt.
Go back to tumblr
In other news, ibf is live streaming. Same thing again. Fake happiness every time she gets money and dances/doesn’t answer questions
That completely tracks. We've seen how Karen acts in public, just imagine what she's like in private.
I hope the anon who has MoonMoon sticks to their guns and does what's best for the kitty.
And then didn't she make a bunch of vague passive aggressive posts on her Instagram story after that about "toxic
people"? People were speculating it was about Kelly. And yeah I think her mall goth stuff was shared in the last thread and she even got accused of plagiarism but the idea wasn't super original to begin with tbh.
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What in the muppet hell is this? I can only imagine the upkeep you need to do after every walk outside.
Is anyone planning to go back to buying kvd beauty now that Kat sold her shares and rights to kendo?
Also, can’t believe the crap she tried to spin about why she sold her brand. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/why-kat-von-d-sold-beauty-brand-influencers-204921486.html?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Kat always blames something or someone else for her problems. Does she really not believe that it is her anti Semitic and antivaxx beliefs that hurt her sales?
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Wow dat spin. Reminds me of Manic Moth's clothing brand which tanked because anyone doing actual work abandoned her. She tried to blame the manufacturer and accused some other business partner of stealing, turns out she is making up stories to assign blame.
I suspect there might be a similar story about KvD. Does someone here know more?
this is like when doe deere stepped back from running lime crime after that whole data breech thing. wouldn't support either of them now b/c there's plenty of other vegan/cruelty free brand that don't have their drama etc.
also i find it really funny that j* talks shit on kvd b/c she did a lot of his tattoos and he'll have to tote them around forever.
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I googled 'adora batbrat aspergers' and this came up https://peoplepill.com/people/adora-batbrat/
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Its Black Friday is still attention-seeking in the metatags
It's really reeks of desperation for ibf to tag safiya nygaard and jenna marbles. They have nothing to do with the goth scene.>>931109
How did you check the metatags?
A big part of her getting popular was her feud with Onision, that was when her subscribers dramatically increased.
Which is ironic, because she said that Onision was exploiting Eugenia Cooney, but Eugenia Cooney was one of the tags she used to abuse on irrelevant videos like her Mohawk one. When people pointed this out she freaked out and removed them from those videos but people already knew what she did.>>931389
It's a common tactic of desperate YouTubers. Ride the coattails of bigger ones.
That's the funny thing, IBF is slowly fading out of relevance even within Goth because her videos are boring and somewhat pointless. And with people like Angela Benedict, Radically Dark, Accumortis, Kai Decadence, Rose Nocturnalia, and Ligeia Ressurected around and actually making engaging content that isn't hauls and non-engaging videos. I just can't help but feel like she's on her last legs of her "YouTube career". Hell even Dorian as insufferable as she can be, at least her content is kinda engaging even if she takes forever to get to her point.
How she has oodles of people still supporting her Patreon and apparently now throwing money at her in her livestreams is very perplexing.
>>931389>It's really reeks of desperation for ibf to tag safiya nygaard and jenna marbles. They have nothing to do with the goth scene.
Definitely anon. Totally desperate and that perhaps even she knows her content can't stand on its own and so has to tag shit that has nothing to do with her video.>>931428
Oh right, I forgot she got into it with Onision way back when and how she was using Eugenia's name in her tags yet was shaming Onion for exploiting her name.
> It's a common tactic of desperate YouTubers. Ride the coattails of bigger ones.
I mean, I suppose I could understand why smaller YouTubers would do that as sometimes it can be hard for their content to get out there even if it's genuinely good. But still, to tag shit that has nothing to do with the video is just dumb.
Same anon from >>931453
but I think you're right. I actually went to IBF's channel to see the kinds of videos she used to make as it's been awhile and honestly I think you're right about this. My first video of Freya's I ever watched was her "Romantic Goth Tag" video but she did a crap ton of makeup videos and I never really watched any of them.
But back around this time there really weren't many other Goth Youtubers aside from Sebastian Columbine, Laila Autumn, and one other person I'm forgetting. I guess I'll just be honest that I was initially intrigued by Freya because of her look which did look very old school and more authentic to Goth in the way Sebastian Columbine's deathrock phase made me think even though Sebastian was ripping off Patsy.
But now in the current year with other goth Youtubers like I've mentioned who actually upload more worthwhile and engaging content, it really made me realize how vapid and boring Freya's videos actually are. And I don't really get why she's trying to become a cooking channel all of a sudden, is this the next new trend? lol
She appeals to normies partially for the way she dresses and then she portrays herself as supersweet and positive, which is more normie bait.
The food videos are just more of her basic nonsense and normie bait. She knows people go mad over someone with a dark aesthetic, doing cutesy things, whilst making sure you get a nice view of her boobs for the male clicks.
A regular goth is too busy wandering in the mists of some long forgotten castle to need validation on the internet.
yea i'm kind of curious, some ppl know already but for those who don't, does he avoid answering or lie or what. >>931514
that's kind of sad, like ppl care more about getting the free stuff and put in minimal effort which just kills creativity and the want for it. she's barely putting out any kind of content and doesn't even have her stuff, what does she actually have to offer her audience.
Lol good point anon. It does seem like it's mostly normie types who eat up her content and think she's some unique person whereas people within the Goth scene are pretty "meh" to indifferent about her from my experience. Well normies or Mallgoths who aren't really Goth. And oh right, I forgot that she would pull a Trisha Paytas making sure the camera was placed in an angle to show off her cleavage (and hide her gut). >>931541
Pretty much what >>931567
said. She was not having fun with YouTube anymore and wanted to pursue her work with her band Esoterik and traveling. She's still relatively active on her Instagram but that's about it. It's a shame that she deleted/privated most of her videos because some of them were pretty good.
Ahh good old Kazlovesbats. I miss her videos.
Allison has always gone through phases with her aesthetic/ fashion/ music etc.
Three years ago her style started to become more viking/ witchy/ nordic mixed with goth.
Eventually she started to introduce more color and in 2019 she dropped the goth look altogether. She still listens to goth though.
I met her and she's definitely a very kind and sensitive person, so I imagine youtube was too much for her. I remember people were hating on her for various reasons, like her pagan faith or her exploring different gothic fashion styles. She told me that she had enough.
Like the anons above said, she also quit because she wanted to focus more on her band, which is a shame since she's completely tone deaf and can't sing for shit.
I also feel like she has regressed skill wise in her art; she went to an art school and yet her drawings look like my 13yo sister's. I honestly feel like she was better back in 2012 but idk how thats possible.
I used to really enjoy her content so its a shame the direction she went.
Shame she dropped her goth-self altogether, I used to watch her from 2012-15 during my rekindled interest in goth subculture/aesthetic then proceeded to follow her after making an instagram account.
After a year of absence, I went to check her out again after seeing her recent post only to find nothing really gothic about her anymore but was digging the Nordic hippie-witch vibe she gives, albeit over the top but whatever. Thank you for explaining why she dropped it.
Her music is also changing too; it’s no longer trying to be 80’s goth but more like folksy synth pop. It’s alright, I guess
maybe this is an unpopular opinion here but I thought she used to have great content, particularly her travel vlogs and event vlogs of places like wiggy T, m'era luna etc. even though I hate her as a person I would totally be down to watch more of those. I think her best content is her non-goth content and with her loyal subscribers it probably wouldn't even be hard for her to float on it, but she's just lazy as hell and screwing her own channel with her inconsistency.>>931915
she said that because the interviewer was trying to get her and mattias to say something kinky (he seemed to think all goths are into bdsm/kink) so they said modesty and monogamy to be funny. ironic since both of them cheated allegedly.
Same anon, Back when Allison was going by "KazLovesBats", I can say unironically that I did like her old content from 2011-2014. She had some pretty engaging videos and she's someone I can say was an actual Goth. I didn't know that she dropped the Goth thing aesthetically but it's cool that she still likes the music.
I also have to agree about the singing. I didn't mind her voice for her band's first song "Indigo Children". It was not good but I think the melody of the song was catchy enough to where I could let the mediocre singing slide. Same for their third single "Necrodancer". But when she came back after her long hiatus, I don't know why but I just could not ignore the singing in the newer music because it just sticks out way too much. That said I do think it's cool that she's pursuing music as that is what she is passionate about so I'll give her props for that.>>931672
I mean you're not wrong. I think most actual Goth youtubers do understand that Goth content will never be popular on YouTube because most people aren't into Goth music and the scene but I don't think it bothers them because a lot of these people like Angela, Accumortis, Skullgirdle, and Cadaver Kelly for example, they have professions/jobs outside of YouTube so they don't need to cave and pump out half-baked content like IBF does.
It's just that she really doesn't say anything interesting at all. >>931915
I remember her saying that in a Q&A as well and I never understood what she meant when she has her tits popping out of her tops usually. Isn't that like the opposite of modest? lol I'm guessing she only said that to make her look "unique" and Victorian even though her look contradicts that notion.>>931946
I'll be honest, I liked the travel vlogs too and it was those videos that kinda tricked me into thinking her content was ever good lol I say that because if you've read the past threads, you may have read how she acquired the money to do that much traveling.
>>931979>I didn't know that she dropped the Goth thing aesthetically
Just because someone is not copying same old known cliches all over and over like 90 percent of so called trad crowd does not yet mean dropping goth aesthetics.
Going trough here recent photos the only noticeable change I see is that she wears more colors that she used to. But I see all black too occassionaly. The rest is still within late new wave boundary.
I find the notion that you have to wear at least one black thing to consider your outfit to be goth ridiculous. There were times and regions where black was not even dominant color in goth clubs.
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What is goff?
Baby don't hurt me!
Don't hurt me!
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Wow, Such creativity, much unique. Would be a shame if people would copy such great and intricate craftsmanship.
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Totally worth 69$, its really hard to tie some jersey fabric strings to an already existing forged item.
Yes. That's the thing. Her work is so bog standard. Belts like that are incredibly common. You can find a dozen tutorials online, most of which predate Mai making them.
But no, somebody stole her idea of knitting an eyecord and attaching it to hardware she bought. Also she owns runes, so…
Yeah I did mean "Aesthetic" but not Goth itself because again, she likes the music. I myself don't look dressed to the nines in the standard Goth look myself so one wouldn't really know I was a Goth until they heard what kind of music I listened to lol But fair enough.>>932544
"Xerogirls/Xeroboys" I guess I'm getting old now because I've never heard that term before lol >>932587
70 dollars for that??? She's kidding right? lol Thing should be no more than at least $10 and I'm being very generous with that keke. Though if someone actually buys it for that much then I guess she's doing something right lol.
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Speaking of Mai Magi and the Mushroom Witches…she deleted most of the videos on her channel relating to her home. All the vlogs of her moving in and such are gone, but she kept up most of the few videos she made with Mara. I find it kind odd since Mara scrubbed her channel of anything to do with her ex BFFS.
She and Annika continue to post hashtag twinfies of themselves like the Mean Girls of the Far North as well and continually preach friendship, positivity, and love.
Anons here were digging Mai's financial background and she got scared, me thinks. I hope anons can dig some more and find out where her family's wealth comes from.
Mara deleted them because she was hurt, it was very obvious. Mai and Annika sucked up to her for fame, then they turned on her like twin judas. Now the backstabbers act like they did nothing wrong.
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any milk on the youtuber ch527kerosene?
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I find it so gross and cruel how they make a big deal about being these female empowered witches, and yet they basically trashed Mara once they got what they wanted.
I don’t think they would have gotten all their sponsorships without being connected to her.
Which year was it? Their videos are gone and I can't remember when it happened anymore. If someone has the videos please upload them.
In hindsight these videos were narcissistic tantrums in plain sight. The self-proclaimed viking queens became unglued once they realized they wouldn't get better treatment than anyone else, lmfao.
I don’t know, them three kept acting like it was somehow M’era’s fault they were soaked. I am not sure how disorganized is equal to inclement weather.
They should have booked an hotel like Adora
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Seems like these two are back together…
It is a mutually beneficial arrangement usually. Those shelters are available for rent to regular festival-goers, if you're willing to shill out quite a bit of money. It's very much glamping, and I can see how having influencers promote them would make sense.
But complaining about it when the festival is clearly doing all it can in the face of downright ridiculous weatheris just a dick move. The volunteers were working their butts of that year in the streaming rain and ankle-deep mud, spreading straw around, keeping access to vital areas (first aid, bathrooms) available first, and trying to redirect traffic because the parking grounds and the roads up to them were flooded and people were getting stuck in the mud and had to be towed out.
So I'm sorry cummunication wasn't as good as you might have hoped ladies. That must have been hard for you.
Cry me a fucking river. She's not part of the Goth community because she's not a Goth nor was she ever one. The only reason she was able to skate by as being called Goth from back in her early days of YouTube was because there weren't many Goth youtubers back then and even then, I remember that if people did talk about Goth music, they'd get called "elitist". That's part of the reason why Sebastian Columbine deleted her video on Goth music that she did back when she was still an active part of the Deathrock scene.
"Scared" my ass. The music was always there but she didn't like it, she said it "wasn't her cup of tea" and that she preferred other music which is fine but that meant she was not a Goth. And the only reason she started listening to it was by obligation and desperation because of how she got lambasted on that Gothquisition podcast back in 2018 when they brought that up. As for being too Goff for sponsors, bullshit. Alternative sponsors are a thing like >>933190
mentioned, it's just that she's lazy and does a piss ass job presenting the products so of course not many are gonna wanna work with her when she half-asses it.>>933198
Exactly. He can go fuck himself with that woe is me, "they're all bully elitist" attitude, he brought it on himself.
To be fair, she didn't claim that dressing mainstream made her feel miserable. She just said that people assumed she was happy when she dressed mainstream even though she was miserable and O.D'd. And that they assume she's depressed now that she dresses goth, even though she is a lot better now.
Having said that, it's amazing that Dorian can talk about doing insane ammounts of speed and coke for days on end, and still be surprised that this somehow led to her life falling apart and her having a massive breakdown. She's quite the detective.
She doesn't ever seem to address the elephant in the room. 35 years old, still living with mom in her childhood bedroom and doesn't even have a normal sleep schedule cos she has less responsibility in life than an actual child.
No it's better to concentrate on important topics like perfume, make up and maybe gender feelings for the hundredth video. Priorities..
>>933188>I know I said I don't like goth music. But that was six years ago. And I've discovered a lot of goth music since then that I love. I wish people would stop judging me on my old videos, and take the time to actually figure out what my musical tastes are.
But then…>>933864>I like a handfull of songs by one, very well known, gothband. But I really just wanna talk about 90s pop, Kpop, and Disney songs.
Well, guess we misjudged her all this time.
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At least Mara and Nina have some originality and creativity opposed to Mai and Moth. Just sayin.
She's full of shit. We don't need to spend time "figuring out her musical tastes" when she makes it apparent that she's not into Goth music. If she really was, she would have no problem actually namedropping some of her favorite Goth bands and songs she likes without being vague about it. No one is saying that she can't like non-Goth music and that was never the issue, it was just how so clear that she was not into Goth music and clearly using the "Goth" label for attention and the moment more people started pointing that out, she scrambles to the most popular Goth band and listens to like 2 songs and calls it a day.
She's so desperate to be seen as a Goth and I think deep down she's bothered that most of her fans are not Goths and that most of the actual Goth YouTubers like Angela, Skullgirdle, Ligeia, Kai, Accumortis, Cemetery Confessions, and the like don't think much of her at all and think she's a poser. She only appeals to young teens and non-Goths and nothing more.
I think her living at home is a problem tbh, she doesn't seem equipped to look after herself if something were to happen to her mom tomorrow. She also lives with the stepdad and we don't know how he feels about her presence being a seemingly permanent thing. I know parents rarely come out and say it bluntly but by 35 you certainly do want your kids to have their own lives and own home.
Her sleeping all day shows how little responsibility she has. Even unemployed (disabled) friends of mine have to keep a normal sleep schedule for the sake of running the usual errands that come with just being an adult.
I don't dislike her but I've seen her cockily giving out advice in vids and acting like she's wise and it's astounding how little self awareness she has around her own circumstances. Living that eternal teen-life and somehow still acting like you're wise as shit?
I don't dislike her either. And I think she has real medical issues that make it more difficult to live on her own.
But that is exactly why she needs to get her ass into gear and start building a life for herself. Because she's getting older, and the longer she waits, the harder it will be. One of these days her parents are either not going to be around, or will be too old to care for her. Imagine having to do that at an advanced age. And if she gets thrust out into the world she won't manage.
Mental issues and being aneurotypical are a genuine concern. But she can, and should, get help in order to live independently.
Good point anon. Yes you're right that Dorian is in a place where it does seem like she won't have the necessary skills to support herself if something bad happens to her mom (or worse) and for all we know, her stepfather may not be too thrilled with the situation as well. I'm not sure when the last time she had a job was but I'm guessing she hasn't worked in such a long time that she has next to no work experience and while she does get disability, it's hard to know if she even knows how to properly budget herself and be responsible since it seems like her mom does most things for her.
> I don't dislike her but I've seen her cockily giving out advice in vids and acting like she's wise and it's astounding how little self awareness she has around her own circumstances. Living that eternal teen-life and somehow still acting like you're wise as shit?
EXACTLY. That's the biggest thing that was always in the back of my head whenever she does these kinds of videos. She doesn't have any actual adult experience and she thinks she has it all figured out when she hasn't done much of anything with her adult years? Like I would give her more leeway if she was actually pursuing a creative project. I know she writes some music and wrote a book but she's not very ccnsistent with it at all and it just makes her come off as a lazy teenager with no structure or ambition. >>934323
Yeah I think her gaining some independence will do her some good. She could try looking into assisted independent living if her medical issues are that big of a hindrance. Like I won't say I like her but she's not the worst person and I do hope she rises above it all because as of now, I just can't help but think of her as the less insane Chris Chan who you're just waiting to see how they'll handle life when their mothers pass away and they'll have to fend for themselves.
I'm not sure if you're only bringing him up because he's talking about Jake but I am SO glad someone is talking about this guy. He was known for being sexist and inflammatory on the Gothic Amino app, making gross comments towards women until he eventually got banned.
In response to people's complaints about him he made this video, trying to repaint himself as some kind of champion for women. His shots of him up close to the camera trying to look threatening as he declares how angry he is at sexism are laughable.
Some highlights include:> 4:25 - Can't be sexist because he drew a picture of Alex from the Clockwork Orange with a severed head. He pretends not to know the name of the character for some reason.> 5:50 Says being sexist to goth women is tempting fate because they have a reputation for being kinky and dangerous so they might rape you.> 6:05 Says "Show some fucking respect or else because some of us carry knives" whilst showing a switchblade to the camera.> 7:56 Says "Show some respect or else" and grabs the camera in an attempt to seem intimidating.
Apparently he's 23 - I found his account on a dating site for goths/alternative people.https://www.altscene.com/profile/view/308877
He says on his profile "I do believe I can thoroughly trust their [goth women's] judgement much deeper than female outsiders who often laugh me out of a room just for entering." Sounds like an incel who thinks if the normal girls wont have him, he can find a goth girlfriend.
He has a video on his channel about getting banned from the gothic amino.
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From Angela's most recent Q&A. I desperately wanna know who the people are they're talking about.
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Hagraven had blue hair for a long time.
It doesn't sound like thegothicalice. She would be too young. Kazlovesbats was known for het blue hair, but that was years ago.