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No. 893423

General thread for altcows, notorious members of the alt scene who exploit their outsider status for asspats and Patreon.

Featuring in no particular order:

· Jake Munro & Toxic Tears/Kaya
· It's Black Friday
· Adora Batbrat
· Kat von D & Leafar Seyer
. Of Herbs and Altars/Dorian
· Aurelio Voltaire
· Cassandra
· Psychara & Manic Moth
· Maimagi
· Sebastian Columbine
· Dre Ronayne
· Erin Micklow
· Avelina de Moray
· Drac Makens
· Ruadhan
· Julia Zelg & Eileen Van Arden
· Father Sebastian/Todd Hoyt
· Emily Boo
· Jude Bishop (thread with Rosie and their orbiters >>>/snow/822456)

Previous thread >>>/snow/872515

No. 893484

I thought in the other op it said cassandra groped a friend at a funeral, I didn't realize it was the corpse of her friend who committed suicide. YIKES

No. 893491

Emily Boo has merch now. Also she starts the video by saying her bum is itchy, and talking about how the new Joker film gave her "fanny flutters." Everything she says and does is just utterly trashy. I really think people have not noticed so much because they used to compare her to Raven. But she is a disgusting filth goblin, and I hope she doesn't talk like that around her child.

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She’s back at this. It’s terrible. When will she stop?

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No. 893523

Why the are you posting asspat comments about Jake? Self post? Please don’t fill the new thread more cringe trash like the last

No. 893533


Can the person who posts the badly cropped tweets of Kaya, can you stop, we can all easily go on her public twitter and its not milk.

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Nice nip slip Avelina

No. 893545

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Mai is still reselling thrifted trash for a ridiculous markup. But if you don't give her money you're killing the planet you guys! She's a poor struggling artist who just so happens to own a house worth half a million.

As someone who has gone thrifting in Sweden, I can tell you this is some bullshit pricing.

No. 893556

Even though she's an obvious poser, it's really hard to see that this is the same girl from that Snog, Marry, or Avoid episode where she seemed more put together. And true, her being compared to Raven is what made most people not notice that she has her weird sensibilities as well. I feel like it's been amplified since she started hanging with that one chick posted in the last thread.

Oh gee, I wonder what song she is gonna butcher next.

No. 893563

I'm going to have to agree, why did this need to be posted?

No. 893571

Her name is Cassandra Fazakerley but she used to go by Kitty Cass https://m.facebook.com/autumnrosemummy After we kicked her slag bum out of the North Island she went into social media lock down unfortunately

No. 893591

I second all the previous anons. Stop posting insta stories/tweets/whatever about Kaya and Jake that aren't milk. NO ONE cares.

No. 893594


That's a dress? Nitpick but she really needs to learn how to beautify and upstyle whatever she's thrifting because this honestly looks like a sheet on a mannequin.

No. 893611

I thought it was a shal or whatever those things are called

No. 893613

Agree with all the above Anons. We love milk. But all these constant screengrabs of anything Kaya and Jake prove is that they do, in fact, still exist. Trust us, we know.

No. 893615

Shawl? I thought poncho. Certainly not dress. Maybe I am just not as openminded and creative about fashion as Mai is. That must be it…

No. 893649

Wait, Mai is doing that? I thought that was Manic Moth who was way up selling cheap thriftes clothes. Or do they both do it?

No. 893681


She's all about that frumpy dumpy aesthetic, and to me, she's gotten even more frumpy since she decided to become a Viking witch, or whatever she is now.


They all do it to some extent. They're all thrifting whores who think they're god's gift to mankind because they take someone else's mangy clothes and try to upsell them at a 500% markup to their retarded followers. You know, because shopping at a regular store and supporting the economy is total not environmentally sound. It's all about saving trees and not stepping on a dandelion while walking to the vegan coffee shop to get your oatmilk chai latte.

No. 893729

No. Manic moth is the one who got into some kind of legal trouble because of shady shit regarding her clothing line. Something about not paying the manufacturer I think, but I'm not sure of the details. They're a classy bunch.

I think thrifting is great. And pretty good for the economy, seeing how people (and often charities) end up making a profit off something that would end up in a landfill. But I'm not a fan of people using the benefits of thrifting to greenwash their bullshit and rip off their followers.

No. 893765

So in other words, you're on a diet.

No. 893773

She goes by Eileen DeFreest on all her social media’s, doesn’t she? Why is she listed as on of her old aliases in the title?(Van Arden)

No. 893777

De Freest and Van Arden are both Dutch names. Does she have some connection to The Netherlands?

No. 893845


I just poke fun at them because they act like they're somehow morally superior to the rest of us dirty peasants who buy new clothes instead of going to flea markets every saturday.

No. 893868

Eileen is a few years younger than my grandmother. There’s a good chance that her grandparent(s) were immigrants, especially if she grew up on the East Coast. I’m not even sure her actual last name, I assume it’s DeFreest, but it wouldn’t surprise me if she was the type to cling on to her ancestry as if she was an immigrant herself and choose aliases that fit that. It’s really not uncommon for people to do that on the East Coast. Especially if you’re Irish. At least that’s how it is in Boston, but I could also be completely wrong about that when it comes to her. Just some food for thought.

Also, not sure if this was mentioned here, but doesn’t Eileen have some type of visa for Ireland or something like that? I’ve been trying to catch up with the PULL thread, it was pretty inactive until the last couple months and it’s kind of blown up, so it’s a lot to sift through.

No. 893956

That fucking hat looks ridiculous. I think shes confused between trailer park and vampire chic. Her fashion choices are so bizarre… it must be boring af in Tamworth…

No. 893957

There is nothing goth about her. Queen of cringe.

No. 893983

The nip slip tells you the dress is ill-fitting… nice try. Cringe.

She picked the cheapest and ugliest trash to sell to her followers, right?

Her clothing line is in Lila Chris' new shop, drama gonna be contagious. Classy bunch like you said.

No. 894074

Tinfoil but what if the person posting those is Jake or Kaya

No. 894093

Why? It doesn't make them look good. Just innane.

No. 894124

I guess you're right, some of the screenshots are asspats from jake's fans though

No. 894136

I don't think it's that farfetched of a thought. Seeing as how much Fake craves attention and doesn't like people shitting on him, he could've posted those as a way to show that people like him or whatever.

No. 894187

isn't it funny how quickly jake and his fans do a 180 in their behaviour when the tables turn? like when jake gets mild criticism from goths he becomes outrageously butthurt, calls them cunts and bullies and generally overreacts and his fans applaud him for it, but when he offends someone else they're all like "pEoPLe ArE wAY ToO SeNSiTiVe"

also I never saw the video he took down, but I read his whole apology and it was shit. it was basically "sorry you were offended" dragged out in 3-4 paragraphs.

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No. 894321

So Drac retired from being goth to being a morbidly obese cake decorator who drops one spanish word per english sentence like a children's show? "Being a not so boring payaso" "you bet your nalgas!" is really giving me Dora the Explorer vibes. Pretty depressing to be a part-time cake decorator after spending this much time thinking she invented so many makeup styles (kek) it's like for every year she spent thinking she mattered, she put on 75lbs. I was just looking up old photos of her since your post and it wasn't until then that I realized she used to be thin and creative. Very funny and disappointing outcome!

No. 894326

If that is true it does show that he has no understanding of what makes him look like an asshole. So I guess that tracks…

No. 894362

I wouldn’t call ripping off Michael Hussar constantly creative lol. She has been skinwalking and borrowing from other artists since high school.

No. 894419

so jake made a video of why he hasn't made a video (cue eyeroll)
-he has seasonal depression and instead of going outside and to the gym he took a nap so it's too dark now to make a video.
-he hates shaving and doesn't want to put makeup on over stubble
-isn't happy with the quality of his videos (but is fine putting out this shit video
-wants to cover an evanescence song but is afraid in case he fucks it up
-only noticing now that moving to another country as a youtuber is going to be difficult
-has no time to make audiobooks (maybe nap less jake)
-has no time for his album so isn't doing it anymore (maybe nap less hey, jake)
-hates that other people in munro have their input into the music so he just stopped the entire thing

No. 894429

Yeah. Imagine the members of the band you named after yourself providing imput. What a narc.

No. 894430

honestly that's probably the most dignified exit from the community someone could make. she never seemed like she wanted to "compete" with the skinnyhot killstar crowd. her mental health shit never read as fake to me but she did have enough talent to do something cool with her life. there really aren't a lot of people with her skillset and taste in that industry but there are going to be a lot of alternative weirdos getting married until the end of time.

No. 894453

Yeah, now she is the biggest chicana that has ever chicaned in the story of Mexico. She dresses like she is playing a character everyday, and it's been what, like 6 months tops?

I went on a lil tour on her insta just now, was just cracking up about the "you bet your nalgas!" Probably reeeeaally upoing the accent when saying nalgas!.

No. 894523

Jake> I cant do anything more since everything is allocated a time space in my day, no I cant do any music or audiobooks

Also Jake> Slept into 3:30pm today

No. 894538

I never was a huge Drac person but didn't know she dropped out of Goth. Not really surprised.

Well gotta remember that the toxic twosome lack self-awareness lol.

I get seasonal depression but come on, they already don't do that much to begin with and Jake needs to get over himself towards the last point. Shitty music aside, a band is a team effort.

No. 894544

TT also claims to have seasonal depression, I have a hard time believing they both do. They just use it as an excuse to be lazy and not make videos

No. 894635

I agree with you anon. I would give them the benefit of the doubt if they actually were you know, productive. But they aren't. They are clearly using the seasonal depression thing to avoid criticism from being lazy fucks who hardly upload but still want to keep that sucker money rolling in.

No. 894638

he made that video purely for asspats and to once again talk about the things he'll be doing. i feel bad for his band mates b/c they had to put up with him for however long and he's pretty much just ditching them so he can make the music all about what he wants. can't wait for the next print release and blah blah blah.

and yes, the two of them seem to claim depression and seasonal whatever that's just them being lazy, why anyone continues to support them is just sad.

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Back to calling his underage fans snaccs. Classy.

I actually thought he had quit doing that for a while.

No. 894732

Kaya talking about how playing pokemon go is good because it encourages her to walk sits on her ass for hours playing pokemon go.
Jake is visible looking bloated in the background and generally bitching. The last part of the video is just her fucking around with the pokemon. This involves a lot of flashing lights, for which she provides no warning. Also she repeats the same hideous purple outfit several days in a row, so she must really love it

No. 894736


Oh yeah, comparing it with his reddit posts, Nocturna on kiwifarms is almost definitely Kai Decadence pretending to be a woman - the exact same writing style, same interests (goth, trans stuff, has a particular obsession with Blair White).


I can understand why a gay guy would dislike troon bullshit, but Kai is turning into a cow - sucking up to Leah Tvery, most of his reddit is either complaining about trans or complaining that hot muscle men don't like him, posting selfies asking if people would date him, etc.

No. 894766

I just went and had a peek at her insta. She now posts lot´s of photos of her "native american" dream boyfriend, now calling him "mi chulito". He actually looks like a geek fresh from high school, and couldn't be further from the pics the posted before. I find her so fucking annoying, always with that "higher than thou" attitude, when she looks and acts like shit, and has done nothing to deserve any kind of merit.

No. 894769

Samefag, but in every other photo she posts she's still styled with goth aesthetics, so why the need to distance herself and act like she doesn't even like the culture anymore? Once again, like she's above that? Stupid cunt.

No. 894779

Her makeup looks really pretty in here, purple suits her. That undercut, in another hand, is a different story.

No. 894785

I follow lilachris on instagram and honestly might unfollow because most of her pictures look pretty much identical, I kept thinking instagram was showing me old pictures of hers for like 3 days in a row but then realized they were new ones but she takes them all from the same angle

No. 894795

>brand work
tf is that, what even is his brand besides obnoxious and full of himself.

fake looking like a purple haired kelly osbourne and pugsly love child, omf.

this is a different dude than that one but i agree with everything else.

No. 894803


I've always gotten kind of airhead vibes from lilachris. So, I don't really pay much attention to her for the very reasons you mention - she is very regimented and never changes her style, always posing from the same angle. Plus she sucks up to Annika like the woman is some kind of divine being, for god knows what reason.

No. 894804

She probably just means the “scene” in her city bc she was really involved for a while

No. 894824

Hm that's really a shame. I have seen his comment on Leah Tverly's video but I don't think that necessarily means he's a fan of hers. I've seen his other comments on other gender critical youtube videos like GNC Centric and he does explain a bit more about why he feels the way he does about trans. Haven't seen the Blaire white comments though to be fair, I don't really watch her.

I agree, I was surprised the makeup she did here actually looked good.

She's still doing that? Lame.

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No. 894930

He looks like pugsley from the Addams Family.
Remember when he tweeted how Kaya looked so hot because she was dressing up to play pokemon go…where is that adoration gone, jake?

No. 894942

His lipstick always makes it so hard not to make a blowjob joke

No. 894961

Uncle Fester before going bald

No. 894978

Poser violet beauregard.

No. 894986

Uncooked dumpling wanting to be a real little boy.

No. 895043

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local unemployed 29 year old woman spends all day playing pokemon go before hopping online to ebeg for more shit.
could you imagine what kaya could do if she put all this effort into finding a good job and working towards moving to another country

No. 895055

She could've even put more effort into making good videos but nope, priorities amirite?

No. 895076

She's 26, not that it really makes a difference

No. 895078

JESUS CHRIST, I knew he looked familiar!

No. 895106

she's been 26 for the past 3 years now

No. 895125

I too am confused about Kaya's age. She refuses to give it out, and I remember her being 26 for years now.

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Kinda sad to think about this 2015 interview http://www.altvenger.com/interview-drac-makens/ where she seemed so into the idea of expanding her makeup talent as a career (like the answer in pic related)
Apparently she also has a fuck ton of Marilyn Manson tattoos (like 7 symbols, his signature, a drawing lol), and she doesn't even seem into his music and ideas anymore, wonder what she'll do about it.

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Well, I mean…

No. 895153

Well done anon!

No. 895161

She was born in 1993. If you look at older threads from 2 years ago people are still saying she's 29.

She looks older but that's because of the way she does her makeup, if you watch her kpop transformation video she looks younger in that one.

No. 895198

>Hm that's really a shame
Yeah how dare he have an opinion that doesn't align with yours.

No. 895219

i bet she thought she was going to be friends with ppl like kat von d and create her own makeup brand or something and was so disappointed ppl weren't just throwing offers at her so now she decorates cakes and acts like makeup wasn't a big deal. rip football lips.

No. 895252

I unfollowed her for the same reason. Like >>894803 said she is an airhead who sucks up to a bona fide cow. Recently rumour mills claim there are several police reports concerning Moth's legal trouble. Lilachris' next interview might be Prince Andrew style and it's cracking me up.

No. 895254

Is Drac fetishizing native americans? That's creepy. Good for her if she wants to embrace her roots, but that's just gross.

She was never friends with kat von d. She tried to suck up to kat and she failed miserably.

No. 895255

I remember her making a video about no longer being into Kat von D. Not because of the controvercy, but because she felt snubbed by her.

No. 895259

How talented was Drac at creating alt/goth/horror make up looks really?

Do people think Kat von D should have given Drac a shout out or featured her in a video..? or do dozens of alt chicks on YT do the same make up looks just as well or better than Drac? Or ( my theory) did Kat want to keep her brand mainstream ( with only a slight edge) and Drac's looks are too horror/freak show so therefore it might project the wrong image for Kat's brand to mention Drac?

I'm curious at other's opinions on Drac's abilities especially farmers who are experienced make up artists. I'm not familiar with this scene so I maybe off base to think Drac actually had/ has talent.

I looked at her cakes and think they look very average. But maybe they aren't her designs?

I didn't care for Drac's recent go fund me cash grab( especially after not doing a video for a year) but generally I never saw her as being THAT much of a cow as say Kaya cos she didn't do hauls,and had actual hobbies/ interests.

I guess she must feel bitter toward Kat von D, a bit like it was all waste of time cos she never got famous. Boo hoo. Hopefully she has wised up a bit and realises that sadly there are few real friendships in any industry, everything is about money/business. Not talent or how "nice" you are.

No. 895264

I never thought of her as a true cow either. I don't know enough about make-up to judge her skills. But at least she "did" something, if that makes sense. I certainly couldn't do what she did, which can not be said for Kaya for instance. Also, considrring the recent shitshow that is Kat von D's image, not being associated with her might be a good thing. I just think Drac got upset for the wrong reasons. She felt personally snubbed but not that concerned with the anti vaxx/nazi stuff.

No. 895270

>not that concerned with the anti vaxx/nazi stuff
Errr, there you have your cow. Anyone not concerned about Kat von D's nazi stuff must be a shitty person in my opinion.

No. 895277

re: drac “not being a cow”
She’s so whiny and entitled to me and the kvd ass kissing was like HARDCORE enough I think to make her a total cow. She just isnt milky every day or anything.

No. 895286


I remember vaguely some anons bringing up Annika's legal issues in past threads. If she does get arrested, it's going to be a big wake up call for the snowflake witches and all her lackeys. No amount of sage burning and crystal gazing is going to stop the law from coming down on your ass, though I doubt any of them actual practice their craft outside of posing on instagram.

No. 895293

True. I meant up to that point. But yes, not awknowledging that as the obvious problem it is certainly makes her a cow.

No. 895294

Do we actually know what it is? I thought it was some payment dispute. And you have to either really fuck up or ignore a lot of summons to get arrested for that.

No. 895299

My thoughts mirror >>895264 I'm not huge into makeup nor have the skills to do something dramatic and I caught a few of Drac's makeup and I thought they were pretty good, it seemed like she knew what she was doing and also like >>895264 said, at least she did something that wasn't just hauls or unboxings.

But I do remember the Kat Von D. suckign up like how when Kat was doing the red theme, she then did it and so on. But I also agree with >>895270 that you must have something wrong if you don't think anti vaxx/nazi stuff is reason enough to not support someone no matter how talented they are.

No. 895315

I agree with your entire comment. She sucked up to Kat BIG TIME and I don't think it's a coincidence she dropped off the face of the earth shortly after she was snubbed by her.

No. 895321

Well thats unfortunate cause Kai could have been a decent guy, but now he just looks completely nuts with all those obsessions. And I mean…really? Radfem groups are one of the biggest goldmines of insanity on the internet. I kinda want to know how a person can degrade into this lifestyle. All I can imagine about people who keep spewing unnecessary stuff like this 24/7 are still dwelling in mummy's basement and never socialize. You should only use sites like this for fun.
Didn't know his reddit stuff tho, dunno if I wanna look into it and give him attention, maybe later.

No. 895330

supposedly fraud and tax troubles. it's stuff people don't get arrested for unless they fuck up big time.

not asking to be spoon-fed but why is kai still relevant?

No. 895332

yea she went out of her way to say she didn't care they weren't friends and turned to sucking up to sugarpill instead. she went to that kvd beauty anniversary party and was genuinely upset she didn't get to spend one-on-one time with kat lel.

her makeup looks were neat but her attitude and whining in ig comments - mental illness or not - was a huge turnoff.

No. 895341

It makes me laugh how all of Jake's merch is just of his face.
Most youtubers that bring out merch come up with something creative and much less narcissistic.

No. 895357

I don't really understand why you'd have to bring up whether Kai is relevant or not. He doesn't upload all that often anyway and he doesn't seem to be interested in becoming popular or well known like that of Freya or Kaya.

I started watching him in 2016 when he did that React video to men's fashion and I've seen some of his comments like how he's admitted he's not a fan of Jake. But I don't know, he just seems at most, just there.

That's true. At least when Freya was doing merch, she just used her logo on generic stuff like coffins. Cliche' sure but at least it can feign some sort of loose creativity lol.

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Hell even Kaya had decent merch with art she made. I think you can still buy it too because her store is still up (not that I would ever buy it) but at least she didnt just put her face on it and call it a day.

No. 895369

Cringing at the title but yeah anon, they actually do look decent. Too bad Jake lacks the creativity. Does anyone even buy his narcissist shirts anyway?

No. 895386

I completly agree. She always acted superior towards innocent questions and comments, and really got on my nerves.

No. 895399


Kaya is 26 years old. I know it’s irrelevant as the still point stands. It’s pathetic that she plays Pokémon go all day, complains about the weather and continues to use the tactics of a manipulative sponge at the age of 26. Her viewing figures for her most recent video have plummeted to 5k as I write this post, she used to get in the high 100k figures, if she truly wants to go to Barcelona an estate agent would laugh at her. Being a small youtuber and getting patreon donations simply wouldn’t be taken as a seriously viable income. A landlord wouldn’t want that tenant. What about all of her animals? No doubt she will do a Black Friday and leave them behind. She is delusional.

No. 895441

But even back then when she was making 100k views, it was mostly on reaction videos and her now ironic "What not to say to Goth girls" video. I think her first few haul videos may have cracked 100k but that was only because they were new for her at the time and now they barely touch the 10k view. You're right though, she's delusional if she thinks she'll be able to use this as her "income" when trying to move out of country.

No. 895446


Kaya needs to address her life seriously and in the perspective of an adult which she refuses to do. She displays real traits of several behavioural and personality disorders and I do genuinely fear for her future. She has no want of trajectory through a career, posses any actual ambition and is therefore unable to function in the “real world”. She wraps herself in a cocoon of fantasy, many of her tweets or statuses say “I wish I could” or “I wish there was” but has no intent on resolving her own real life issues. This is why her viewing figures have plummeted. Plenty of far more interesting, honest, decent youtubers have great content because they have lives.

No. 895447

Yep she "wishes" a lot but doesn't act on it when she has the capability to do so. And now with YouTube's policy change that'll into effect in December, she may not even be able to make money through YouTube itself anymore only relying 100% on Patreon.

No. 895499


Yep, she has lived out the Aesop’s fable: the ant and the grasshopper.

No. 895539

It’s not about him being gender critical, it’s him making a kiwifarms account pretending to be a woman and calling trans people ‘trannies’ while doing so.

No. 895544


I don’t understand why he’d latch on to an extreme ideology when he complains on reddit about no one being interested in dating him. Most gay men don’t like trans activism but don’t like radical feminism either. Kai already has a small dating pool as a gnc gay goth black man, from his reddit he only likes muscular men who are gay not bisexual, and now he’s radfem too.

No. 895618

the latest design - if you can call it that - is not good. like i know it has to be simple for printing purposes, but it just looks off.

also can you imagine wearing it out and someone asks who that is and you're like 'this guy online that does xyz'.

he really had to drill in the point that he's doing all the packing/shipping himself, like it's so fucking hard when he doesn't do much else and sends out about 100 shirts. ppl have small businesses that do way more, shut up already.

unfortunately yes, he posts the customers that tag him on ig, and the merch he wears in the video always gets sold.

it's going to be funny with fake and kaya moving, he was talking about how the first half of the next year he'll be "on hiatus" and seriously believes that having sunnier/warmer weather is going to get him to be more creative. yea i get that being outside when it's cloudy/cold isn't that great but there's ways to work around it. he's also way too giddy about the possibility of living in the gothic quarter for them uber goff points. i can see him doing the "freak vlogs" there going real well.

No. 895669

But are we really sure that he is a radfem? I've seen a few more of his comments, one of which on a Magdalen Berns video where she responded to Ash Hardell. It didn't sound all that unreasonable though it's pretty clear he doesn't believe in transgederism after seeing a comment he made on a video made by GNC Centric's channel but is simply not believing in transgenderism automatic grounds for being a radfem?

> unfortunately yes, he posts the customers that tag him on ig, and the merch he wears in the video always gets sold.

Ew… Well I guess that answers that. Just watch though. I can't help but feel that the young people who worship Jake will in 5 years regret buying his merch when they notice what kind of person he really is.

No. 895678


I don't think he realises the gothic quarter is named after the architecture and people, not mall goths.

No. 895752

Probably true. He doesn't seem too concerned with the cost of living in an urban centre either.

No. 895807

File: 1574278038263.png (210.17 KB, 1164x958, 79c3564cc7fd736916080b2b423539…)

Jake the Fake getting called out for his e-begging

No. 895819

I remember her claiming to be a year older than I was when we were both active on the PULL forums. I'm 28 now. I genuinely believe that she is older than she claims.

No. 895822

to be fair, she DID have merch originally that was just hot pink text with XXTOXICTEARSXX plastered all over it.

i doubt she designed this line herself - most likely had it submitted by a fan or something. if she did, she'd have bragged about it, but kaya has never displayed a shred of artistic talent up until this point and i somehow have a hard time believing she's just been hiding it out of humility.

No. 895823

good, though i like how he completely ignored the comment. this is weirdly worded and he doesn't do much gaming that he streams online so why does it even need to be that kind of pc.

No. 895828

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No. 895834

File: 1574280629813.jpg (124.74 KB, 891x369, gurugossiper.jpg)

Can anyone confirm the guru gossiper story? Maimagi has accused so many people of copying her and Manicmoth, honestly I'm not sure if she's simply a paranoid nut.

No. 895851

I can see it going both ways. Psychara has stolen tattoos, but Mai's designs tend to be incredibly derivative, and she always claims everyone is copying her stale shit. Most of her art seems to be rune-based, and all of that stuff looks similar.

No. 895855

Don't know if this is related, but Mai stopped selling art prints on her shop.

No. 895890

I’m pretty sure KF has a word filter that changes trans to tranny.

No. 895895


I am skeptical because there have been several posts claiming Psychara did xyz, she’s horrible, blah blah blah. And yet the evidence is shoddy and pulled from lolcow.

One minute they’re saying it was cameras, then she was jelly of Mai’s house, and now she’s an art thief once they all suspiciously start clothing lines…

No. 895899

And just watch him delete this post if that guy's reply gets more likes on it.

Yes lol.

No. 895977

Here's the instagram for Psychara's and Nina's fashion line. Not exactly groundbreaking stuff.


No. 895986

File: 1574312088121.jpg (503.89 KB, 1073x1029, 20191121_055106.jpg)

I think I might have found the alleged theft. Nina and Mara sell this…

No. 895987

File: 1574312124035.jpg (457.21 KB, 966x1246, 20191121_055240.jpg)

…and Mai sells this…

No. 896013

Oh wow. How fucking original. Never seen anything like it before!

No. 896025


Lol how can runes be stolen from Mai? Did she invent them 1800 years ago?

No. 896026


Lol how can runes be stolen from Mai? Did she invent them 1800 years ago?

No. 896032

LOL Mai is fucking ridiculous! Of course she invented runes and she is the mother of all fucking vikings!
On the last WGT Mai caused a ruckus at an exhibitor's booth, because she invented braided necklaces, how dare someone else sell them /s

No. 896035

…and Lila Chris told lots of people she is a very good friend of Moth merely weeks ago. JFC what a fucked up way to open your store with your wagon hitched to a drama queen.

No. 896052

Ive noticed an abundance of cows trying to get in the gaming scene lately, actually. Probably just because its (or they think it is) popular right now.

No. 896061

Just had a look at Mara's and Nina's clothing line. And don't get me wrong, it usn't good. It's clichéd and very clunky looking. But it is better than Mai's stuff. They actually have a range of designs, beyond "knotted belt with one ring, knotted belt with three rings, and double knottdd belt."

No. 896064

I find every cow's line clichéd and rough looking. Maimagi, Psychara, Manicmoth, they are supposed to have art degrees. Did they study at paid degree mills or why tf is their stuff so uninspired?

No. 896073

I have friends who attended the same school as Mara, and it is a legitimate school, if a bit freeform, as a lot of art programs are. I don't know about the others. But I kind of suspect that they just don't have to try very hard, since they trade on th ed ir name and image.

No. 896078


I honestly don’t see them as “artists”, it’s hard to explain. They’re just pretty much those annoying types you see at a lot of arts universities, who spend more time on their appearance than their work, they can draw a little bit but they’re not really “artists”.

No. 896113

File: 1574356081224.jpg (75.39 KB, 591x705, rui1kwn.jpg)

She had a few designs in the past with her face on them, although the cartoon style one looked nothing like her kek

No. 896227

File: 1574370049667.jpg (111.17 KB, 475x551, lolfemcels.jpg)

lilachris decided to suck up to maimagi for publicity despite openly hating her. two-faced bitch is really shameless huh.

No. 896231

ur right, they don't really care about art. it's more show than actual skills which pisses me off.

kaya wished she looked like this.

No. 896232

Classy. Also that outfit does nothing for Mai. She looks like she's about to hulk out and deck the photographer.

No. 896240

their shit looks like a cross between sovrin (who has been designing shirts/patches/etc that look similar, for a long time) and other typical tribal nordic shit everywhere else on etsy, that has been done for years and years (and probably centuries) as well. And they have the balls to say people are copying them???? lmao.

No. 896256

File: 1574372312926.jpg (14.45 KB, 304x405, vikingfacialreconstruction.jpg)

>like she's about to hulk out and deck the photographer
well you aren't wrong. actual viking women according to science:

>stifled laughter

>i'd go to raid and never come back

No. 896258

mai never looks good on any photos manicmoth picks for them. she is literally too dumb to realize how much her frenemy is picking on her.

No. 896262

True. But Mai couldn't weave a sail to till her life. I'm hoping one of these days she'll go full gudrun and burn her house down just to prove how much of a "viking" she is.

No. 896271

Yes because when I see bright blue hair and tons of makeup the first thing I think of is vikings.

Fr though, they look more like some type of hippie-raver hybrid rather than """vikings"""

No. 896281

It's as unoriginal as it gets. Only brain dead followers would buy them, but there are only so many. Mara and Nina can't be making profits.
I kind of suspect Lila Chris' business isn't going well, why otherwise would she tolerate Mai. Her disdain for Mai is so transparent. I wanna be a fly when they are in the same room lmao.


No. 896292

How has Lilachris openly hated on Mai? I can't find the milk but then again I haven't been paying much attention to her socials lately.
Lilachris' feed is regurgitated outfits that lack taste and creativity.
She can't be fucked to try a different pose or background setting, so every photo looks like a repost from last week. I don't understand the hype.

As conceited and fake as they are- at least Mai, Annika and Mara have a sense of style. They put an artistic spin on their looks. The editorial photoshoots are aesthetically pleasing, unlike the grey background and uninspired shillstar on every single post. I won't mention the cursed eyebrows.

No. 896306

Psychara seems to have handpicked only the best of her skinwalkers into her inner circle now that the og copycat- Mai, is out of the picture. These girls have ripped her aesthetic to a T but I guess she likes being queen bee.

There's falvae, the master of crappy contouring and facetuning her skin to oblivion. Her photos would be actually nice if she didn't do the gaudy makeup that makes her look like a botched latex sex doll who's trying to cosplay Psychara.

Nina seems nice and all, but I woudln't be surpised if she's doing all the labor for bosheks based on how much she sucks up to Mara.

Next there's livkae, who is almost indistinguishable from Mara. I mean she even does her eyebrows in the same shape and color. All these girls dye their hair the same color to match Psycharas, they match their outfit and makeup- what else can you rip off?
Maybe Psychara should sell a mask with her face printed on it so the ladies can buy that from her shop to satisfy their obsession.

No. 896321

File: 1574381584683.jpeg (28.11 KB, 474x474, twat.jpeg)

They were witnessed in a quarrel not long ago. Other people I talked to said in no uncertain terms that Lilachris has been very vocal about her bad opinion on Mai.
It's quite popular to hate on Mai, but everyone else just stays the fuck away from the psycho while this idiot is up her ass.

No. 896326

>I won't mention the cursed eyebrows
>gaudy makeup that makes her look like a botched latex sex doll
>Maybe Psychara should sell a mask with her face printed on it

anon is handing out roasts like a pro kek, luv it

No. 896354

sorry to be that anon but who is nina?

No. 896357

@ninahexna is psychara's new fat friend. her og fat friend is zombiesenn, new insta name is @senn.shine

No. 896359

Nina isn't fat, I find her to be very attractive. She just looks big next to Psychara. Also didn't anon say months back that Psychara has an alleged ED?

No. 896362

Anyone got milk on Avelina deMoray? She's been posting stories of herself crying without explanation or context. Also her husband is nowhere to be seen in her myriad of oversharing stories (she just publicly posted where her son will be going to school, wtf).
I'm wondering if they're having marriage troubles?

No. 896366

she'd be qualified for plus size modeling. anyone with a neck ain't really obese.

are anons here close to nina? i'd be dying to know whether your assumption is correct. it would a shame to let a friend do all the work in the background tho

post her stories?

No. 896371

There’s no point in posting screenshots here because she’s just talking to the camera- she zooms I’m on her son and asks which school he’s going to and then says it again to the camera. I don’t want to repeat the name of the school- as dumb as she is to post it to her 30k followers, I feel bad for her kids. The story is still up right now for anyone to see though.

No. 896379


Absolutely NTA to this conversation other than to say, you guys are the reason why I love coming to lolcow. Thanks for the laughs, I needed it.

No. 896443

File: 1574409359876.jpg (7.69 KB, 210x240, wallace.jpg)

who knew viking women were just wallace from wallace and gromit in a wig

No. 896448

Nitpick, but that needs an apostrophe.

No. 896455

Who cares….

No. 896459

So who thinks IBF and Mister Owl finally got married? All this talk then nothing. I nothing has happened. There's always a long winded story about why things don't happen. She's finally disappeared lol.

No. 896491

I didn't see anything except horseface showing her baby bump so maybe it's hormones? I thought she miscarried?

No. 896552

Could be a possible, she has been pretty quietly which is not like her since she always posts every other day. That or maybe she's in the middle of trying to go to another country lol.

No. 896561

Or she's in some sort of legal trouble, relating to her UJ residency or the storage man she refused to pay. Though that might be tinfoil.

No. 896563

Everyone looks fat next to that ana-chan

No. 896567

it doesn't look like her but it is a lovely drawing and I like the design overall. still leagues better than Jakes

No. 896572

There's this one Anon calling Mara ana chan all the time. But do you actually know something we don't? She certainly flaunts the fact that she's skinny, but that doesn't make her anorexic.

No. 896583

Psychara is naturally skinny like the rest of her female kins. It's just strange she needs to emphasize how smol and petite she is every. single. time. Come on, someone is clearly obsessed with weight in an unhealthy way.

No. 896586

File: 1574450383658.jpg (46.03 KB, 408x506, natural-eyebrows.jpg)

what lilachris thinks she does kekeke

No. 896588

I don't know if anyone else caught it, but on a livestream a few days ago Angela flat out said she didn't like ibf or kaya. It had to do with the sophie lanchester calendar drama.

No. 896591

I saw that! She also said it was because ibf and kaya slandered her friends online business and got their minions to bully her until she had to close it down. I don't think she mentioned who the friend was or the name of the shop. Did anyone catch that bit?

No. 896599

This is old. The shop is called necromancy and the owner was quiet public in throwing all the be back at them

No. 896613

The shop didnt shut down. Ive bought stuff from there and the owner is really nice. She haa a radio show as well. Kaya was just throwing a tantrum because she posted pictures of makeup and she got offended. The owner has been around a long time and I don't think she cares at all. She is the woman who made tge calendar project and its still going. At least she's doing something good. TT and Jake do nothing.

No. 896636

She talks about toxic tears and jake in another q&a as well.

Unfortunately I only caught some of that stream because I was busy, but I didn't catch that part. Do you remember exactly what she said?

No. 896653

People were asking her what she thought about ibf and she said that she seems to listen to the music but as a person she doesn't like her because she saw some shady things happen. She mentioned snubbing Sophie's mum and whinging about people trying to make her feel guilty and do things. She said that ibf and kaya went on all of their social media to lie about her saying that that necromancy girl was bullying them and warning people to stay away from her shop. All their fans attacked her and she had to take her social media offline.

No. 896656

People were asking her what she thought about ibf and she said that she seems to listen to the music but as a person she doesn't like her because she saw some shady things happen. She mentioned snubbing Sophie's mum and whinging about people trying to make her feel guilty and do things. She said that ibf and kaya went on all of their social media to lie about her saying that that necromancy girl was bullying them and warning people to stay away from her shop. All their fans attacked her and she had to take her social media offline.

No. 896657

You're reading too much into some classic name calling.

No. 896658

Someone screenshots her friend's private fb status about not liking ibf because she flaunts expensive clothing and makes the goth fashion look unattainable to young goths. That person sent the screenshot to ibf and ibf relentlessly posted it about it on twitter calling her a bully. IBF along with tt got their fans to leave one star reviews on the owner's shop and bully her.

No. 896660

I remember the Sophie Lancaster calendar fiasco, it was the one for 2018 and I can't remember where I heard this but it pretty much mirrors what >>896613 said. It started when Kaya posted a picture of a pile of makeup she was sent and the shop owner said something along the lines of Kaya being wasteful or something like that when Kaya said she didn't even need that much of it and instead of doing a giveaway, she horded it (for all we know, it's still gathering dust in her closet).

And then with IBF, Sophie Lancaster's mom asked her if she could spread a little awareness about the calendar (a short little tweet) and IBF refused because she wasn't asked to be a part of it.

So I'm not surprised that Angela doesn't like IBF or Kaya/Jake. IBF is a shady self-victimizer and Kaya/Jake are scumbag leeches.

I didn't know that part with the negative reviews and that's just petty.

No. 896661

Samefag I goofed on the IBF/Sophie Lancaster mom. She wasn't asking her to spread awareness of the calendar but just the organization though the calendar was being promoted alongside it.

No. 896664

I think the main reason why TT or IBF didn't get asked to be in the calendar project is because they're immature and tbh why would she ask them to be in it after they both decided to set all their fans on her? That's total bullying and against the point of the project. They're both drama queens and not good examples of the goth community.

No. 896665

Oh yeah, I remember the necromancy clothing thing. Wasn't the thing she said about Kaya a private facebook screenshot that someone shared, and the she got dragged for it?

I also know Angela doesn't like TT/Jake because of the stuff she talked about in her q&a. The way TT handled that whole situation was pitiful.

No. 896672

At what point, in what I wrote, did I say it shut down?
Learn to comprehend

No. 896675

NTA but they probably meant to reply to the post above yours that said she had to shut down.

No. 896676

She said ibf was a hypocrite because after France she was making videos and tweeting about goth discrimination but when Sophie's mum asked her to RT the calendar when someone literally died because of goth discrimination ibf ignored her and tweeted in a strop about people trying to make her feel guilty about it.

No. 896677

So froyo only cares about goth discrimination when it affects her? Wow, I'm shocked.

And let's be honest, most of the times she complained about goth discrimination it wasn't even that.

No. 896691

Exactly. Never we, always me.

No. 896703

She's one of those people like "I was JUST about to do this, but now that you DEMANDED I do it I'm not going to" isn't she?

No. 896705

>>896672 was talking about >>896591 Sooooooorryyyyyyy

No. 896710

This too. I remember IBF tweeted something about how she shouldn't feel guilty for not wanting to talk about something that didn't concern her.

Oh I'm sure that's the reason they weren't included in the Calendar portion. They do nothing for the scene, two of which aren't even Goths to begin with but seeing how IBF acted so stuck up her ass about a cause that she herself lamented about so much in the year prior, you'd think she'd have the compassion to spread awareness about an event where someone literally lost their life to it.

Pretty much.

No. 896713

am I the only one who doesn't believe kaya, freya or jake even have depression? they only ever bring it up as an excuse. kaya has said she has "depression" for years but has done nothing to try and get help. if she lived in america I would get it, but isn't therapy free in ireland? jake said he thinks he has bipolar disorder but never tried to get help either. I don't know if froyo has been diagnosed or not, but she only ever brings it up as an excuse.

I'm not saying they don't necessarily have it and I'm not trying to make light of mental health or anything like that, I'm just really skeptical that they have it.

No. 896718

agree. it's a combination of stupidity and laziness.

No. 896726


I actually wondered the same thing. She’s been too quiet lately. I feel like if she were planning another trip, she’d make a video or two to get a little money, take a couple of pics, cry on Twitter about evil normies throwing holy water at her to get sympathy donations….her usual shtick. It’s hard for me to accept that perhaps, Freya has been responsible enough to get her life in order, she’s been so spastic over so many years.

No. 896729


Sorry for samefagging, but is it just me being bad at searching, or did Barnaby either change his usernames on social media or completely removed them? I know he had an Instagram a while back and I can’t find it anymore.

No. 896731

No. 896751


Thank you!!! I kept getting silly junk in my search.

No. 896830

I remember that post. As far as I could tell, Kaya received a bunch of makeup from a friend who went vegan and got rid of non vegan makeup. Then some chick commented on the post dragging her and asking how a picture of makeup helped the goth community. Maybe there was more stuff behind the scenes, but it seemed a little out there to make that comment on a random picture of makeup.

No. 896843

I remember that post and it was like 800USD of make-up. There was no context other than the pic and a caption about how much she loves her haul. People were commenting about how lucky she was to afford it all and some asked her where she got it all. She responded to the praise and ignored all the questions about where it came from. A few people said she was gloating but no one dragged her. The next night she blog posted on FB about it being from a friend. If that's true she she should have said so when she posted that pic or when her fans asked her where it came from.

No. 896856

Actually Kaya posted the gloat image of the haul… the woman from Necromancy saw it and made a personal private FB post about it saying it was vacuous and couldn't understand wtf was happening in the scene online. Shes much older and I guess it was her opinion. Anyway THAT post got leaked to Kaya and the tirade began. I was on that page but its an old account and it doesn't exist anymore. The woman did go and reply to the 500 comments made for this one opinion and it ended. It just goes to show that YouTube minions are completely gullible to the cries of a lazy useless cunt whos never worked for anything she's received for free and sets a standard as an influencer to a level thats below zero. In addition to this IBF posted in a YouTube creator fb page about it warning people not to collaborate with the woman because of this post and other commemts similar to this about IBF. She tried to boycott the store… pretty pathetic really. Its old news but in theory nothing has changed. Ppl like TT and IBF are only looking for sympathy and hand outs. That is their legacy. Period.

No. 896862

File: 1574499619547.jpg (216.98 KB, 730x1246, 1488268987948.jpg)

It wasn't a comment on Kaya's pic. It was a private personal facebook post the necromancy chick made about that someone leaked.

Kaya is such a peace of shit. Like it's one thing to be a whiny neet beggar with a hoarding problem, but then to drag other hard working people's businesses on top of that. That clothing brand might have been her livelihood.

No. 896870

Lol classic. She didn't sound offensive just an opinion. Kaya is such a child.

No. 896871

No. 896909

I saw @lilachris mentioned in the thread and I'd like to contribute the somewhat shady background story of her shop. The founders @lilachris, @eerie_elli and other employees used to work for another gothic store in Hamburg, Colours Store. Its owner has been around for two and half decades, they learnt everything they know about retail in his store, then decided to leave in a pack and stab him in the back, which eventually led to the opening of Nyctophilia Shop. During their time as employees they spoke ill of the owner and Colours behind his back, so when they left it was apparently on bad terms.
TLDR: eyebrows wonder and her mates betrayed their old boss and they think they can run a better clone of his shop. It's poor taste conduct in plain sight.

YT video shows @lilachris and @eerie_elli in the old Colours Store.

No. 896937

Ah okay, that makes even more sense. But it's true, having a gloat image of a shit ton of makeup doesn't do anything for the Goth scene but like I said before, she's not a Goth so I can't even complain.

So this is the picture. The person made a good point though and it just shows what a vapid scumbag leech Kaya really is. Me Me Me.

No. 897019

This is old. Shes trying so hard.

No. 897041

Would you anons be so kind and write summaries?

No. 897045

She got a job as a community social media manager in customer service in corporate. She has a masters in English literature which doesn't qualify for anything but teaching… she now has a shop if her own but I dont see how that will last. Retail sales are hard to compete with online sites… the only reason she left the other job was because she couldn't get time off for festivals. I imagine thats why she didn't last in corporate very long… carving out personal time is not exactly commitment to a career. She's really boring to listen to…..

No. 897052

Her whining about missing festivals and working on saturdays was really a turn of. Bitch please, this is how most adults get their paycheck. Deal with it. I agree with you, I think she didn't last in corporate environment with her immature attitude, that's why she went back to retail. She is simply too stupid for any sophisticated job like teaching. Just look at her incoherent rambling in English, it's nowhere good enough for someone with a graduate degree. This video is a big fat nope for any recruiter, this woman flat out declared she has no ambitions in life other than make up and partying, she wants a free ride because she is a little bit famous on the internet. If she wasn't entitled to welfare, then she was mooching off her boyfriend's money. I mean someone had to pay their rent, right?

No. 897054


Also, here's the video of her bellyaching about working at Colours like a big ass baby. Never heard somebody whine and complain so much in my life…

No. 897055

OMG we found a new horror cow. Kaya's sister LMAO!

No. 897071

She's trying to find her way but lacks commitment. Try and stick to what youre good at. Complaining.

No. 897075

File: 1574555944694.jpg (164.68 KB, 874x611, lilachris first world problem.…)

She even became argumentative when she got sensible answers.
"not every shop owner is a cruel monster" - quite the implication what she really thinks about her boss. They should be happy they got rid of her. Pretending to be all nice on the front to them.

No. 897081

yea i don't like to question those sort of things, but if they had issues i would think they'd want to do something about it besides just bitch online. but there's a lot of ppl who do b/c they get asspats and an echo chamber of praise or whatever and the cycle repeats, it's gross.

also, i've noticed fake usually just brings it up when it gets dark early, but never see him or kaya really addressing anything beyond being "tired" or "busy" and it's like, so are a lot of ppl and they actually do stuff besides post on twitter and make videos.

speaking of which, his latest try not to laugh challenge was super cringe, he definitely failed but clarified what he considered laughing so he could declare himself a 'champion'. much like he made up his own definition of goth to constantly use the label for clicks and views.

No. 897083

cruel monster = my boss made me work full shifts on four days a week and I wasn't free on saturdays, pity me uwu

someone make this girl work in the sweatshops where her beloved shillstar clothing is produced.

No. 897084

Something tells me she will be pissing off her employees and business partners in no time. I never realized quite how milky she was. No wonder she wants to skinwalk manic mooch.

No. 897085

Agreed Anon.

No. 897113

I remember this video and she really was shooting herself in the foot quitting. Having a job where you like the environment, coworkers, and the customers while getting paid decently (I assume since she worked there for so long) is hard to come by and there's no guarantee her shop is gonna last. Alternative is a niche market and not all become the next Hot Topic.

I get that she wants to travel, it's normal but she should've just saved what money she could and made herself a safety net while working in a place she liked.

No. 897116

OT but I really like her makeup in this video.. a shame her instagram is so repetitive. she could really show case her makeup better.

also her youtube videos are sooo boring to watch. I want to like her but I just get bored with all those "uuum's". even kaya is more entertaining to watch..

No. 897152

What a fucking snowflake…. talking about exploitation and THE SYSTEM…. jesus christ. Some9ne gave her an opportunity and she thinks she knows better… Shes 27 or now… 29 and still hasn't figured it out. Shes going to get a dose of reality paying rent for a shop and not being able to sell stock and still expect to party and have any revenue. Shes had no business management training either. Life is not fashion and hair dye…. this generation have absolutely no idea. She's going to need another back up plan… goth shops are niche. Not mainstream.

No. 897155

Why is she wearing a crown? It looks like kids party wear.

No. 897245

Something tells me she couldn't have missed the messy situation of Manic Mooch's legal fallout and still decided to go all in with her. She's either very dumb or very gullible.

No. 897260

File: 1574614009077.jpg (88.5 KB, 676x609, screenshot.jpg)

Not only that she has no business management training, her LinkedIn CV looks fishy as well. Every job position is under 2 years, it's considered a red flag in HR for someone who can't hold a job. Another red flag is her attempt to embellish her jobs' importance, implying a full-time position when it's not true. All her positions must have been either mini job (marginal employment, €450 job) or part-time, which also explains the reason Lilachris wasn't eligible for welfare, like she said in her videos. In order to receive unemployment benefits in Germany, you have to work for 2 years in a job subject to compulsory insurance to be eligible to apply. Likely she worked for very few hours in her jobs, which cancels the obligatory insurance, therefore she couldn't apply.
Then the fucking snowflake has the damn nerve to complain about her work… she never worked in a real job in her whole coddled life, for fuck's sake.

No. 897307

But wait, if she was working limited hours, how was she staying afloat financially? Was someone paying her bills? I don't know what student financial aid is like in Germany, but I don't think it would be enough to live on, especially if you want to party a lot.

No. 897314

Yeah hearing all that makes it worse. I didn't know she that she didn't have any business management training and that is quite crucial for people who want to run their own business. >>897152 is right, when it comes time to pay the rent and all the other expenses of running a shop, she's gonna get hit hard with a dose of reality about what really goes into running a shop. She was better off at the shop and holding on just a little longer to save more money.

She was most likely getting help from either her boyfriend, parents, or both. It's the only other thing I can think of that could have happened after she quit her corporate job.

No. 897349

I wonder who's fronting the money for this? Her business partners maybe. She can't have built up a lot of savings on her own and I doubt it would be easy for her to get a loan if she lacks formal business training and has a spotty employment history. I live in a western european country, and here startups can qualify for government subsidies if they are run by someone who was previously unemployed. Is something similar true for Germany? Even then your business does actually have to show promise to qualify.

Starting a retail business costs quite a bit up front. Hope she doesn't plunge her friends into debt or bankrupsy. No wonder she's got her head stuck up Manic Mooch's ass and is even willing to tolerate Mai. She needs all the help she can get.

No. 897387

She talked about a bank appointment with eerie_elli on Instagram, I'm afraid your fears are correct. If things go south her friend is going to pay for her stupidity, if she was naive enough to cosign the bank loan.

found her joint account with her boyfriend:

Pencil pusher no. 3 is allegedly a journalist. Not exactly the profession to be rich sugar daddy to a womanchild. Can't shake the impression the MMs and her prey on the same kind of guy: never talking, low self esteem dude who thinks the airhead is a great catch when she is actually a liability.

No. 897405


>But wait, if she was working limited hours, how was she staying afloat financially?

I was wondering the same thing when I was watching the video about her leaving Colours… They're either not being honest, doing stuff on the side, or sponge off of family, friends, and partners. Maybe all of the above. She's the only one in the group that's close the witchy goths who is honest about the fact she doesn't like to work, and she is either too dumb or too lazy to use her education to her benefit.

No. 897482

I have no idea, but I'm guessing parents/boyfriend/both

No. 897596

29 and mummy and daddy still wipe her ass….

No. 897605

I just watched Dorian's video about her gender queerness, and I'm honestly confused because she contradicts herself several times..

She says that some people think you have to feel dysphoria wearing the clothes of your assigned gender in order to be trans. In other words, she'd wear a skirt and people would say she's not really trans because she doesn't feel dysphoric in it. She says that it isn't really about feeling uncomfortable in the wrong clothing, it's about feeling more comfortable in the right clothing. She says that when she wears boy's clothing she feels like her true self, and looks in the mirror and thinks "yeah, this is what I'm supposed to look like" and that she can't step away from the mirror. But then she gets bored after a few days and wants to go back to experiencing with makeup, and going back to her "fun clothes" that are actually interesting instead of just "blazers, and tank tops, and jeans". She says that it's more important to her to look in the mirror and like what she sees than looking like a dude at all costs. Like… wouldn't that mean she's more comfortable in women's clothing…? I just…

She also said she's glad she never transitioned, but never says why. But she also said she knows she's a boy deep down.

I didn't summarize the entire video, there were a few bits I left out. I just don't have the mental energy for that, sorry.

No. 897607

so she looks at gender the same way as at goth. all about the fashion with no further thought.

No. 897609

I wouldn't say that, because she sees herself as a boy (says she "knows she's a boy deep down") in spite of wearing female fashion and makeup the vast majority of the time.

also she really does have an interest in goth music, or at least the subculture. she has a lot of videos about her experiences with goth clubs and the scene in general.

No. 897613

She's a transtrender

No. 897616

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Speaking of Dorian, here is her IG clip of her room decluttering for posterity. Let's see how long it lasts.

No. 897618

Agreed. Whatever else you can say about Dorian (and there's a lot…) she does have a real interest in Goth. She's been to a lot of gothclubs and concerts in her time, and recently made a video inspired by skullgirdle, talking about her favourite current goth bands.
You can be a goth and still be a trainwreck.

No. 897619

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Checking in on our other subjects:

Emily Boo posted her 10 Year Challenge.

>10 year challenge… Haven't changed thaaat much #10yearchallenge #glowup #piercings #gothgirl #gothgirls #alternativegirl #alternative #alwaysweird

2019-11-25 10:56:27 GMT

No. 897621

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Adora flaunted her naughtiness…

>What happens in a hotel room stays in the hotel room. …and makes my instagram! #goth #gothgirl #gothmodel

2019-11-17 15:53:27 GMT

No. 897624

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Her ana-physique…

>This bikini was also a finding from yesterday. 10 kr/$1 per piece!!! OK, don't know if I will ever be caught wearing a pink bikini, but now it might happen. #embarrassedgoth #bikini #gothundercover

2019-11-22 08:32:15 GMT

No. 897626

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And her love of money.

>#Fridayboobs No money in the world can keep my heart warm, but I'm willing to try… #goth #gothgirl #gothmodel #capitalist #keepbuyingmyusedunderwear #ilovegreen #letitrain

2019-11-23 01:34:32 GMT

No. 897627

Are you the same Anon who just posts everything Kaya posts? Because especially the first post about Emily isn't milk

No. 897630


No. Does that anon use the same format I am using? And if they post only Kaya's posts, why would they post anything else?

Emily is blatantly hungry for asspats. "Please tell me how much I've changed!"

No. 897633

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Kat launched @VONDSHOES on #WORLDVEGANDAY November 1st because of course she did. How deep does her commitment to eco-warriorism run? Where are her shoes manufactured? Is the PVC made with minimal impact on the environment?

And is she celeb enough for her shoe line to have the same filter down effect on the market as her cosmetics, ie will we see smaller brand mimicry and Chinese knockoffs?

She is "finally releasing my album in Spring and getting to tour the world with @prayers". I haven't paid attention to whether or not she can sing.

She has tattoo regrets and is simultaneously erasing and covering. "I'm currently working on lasering off both my upper arms — getting rid of a bunch of old tattoos that I got when I was young".

>I’m so in love with my new blacked out arm tattooed by @hoode215! Can’t believe it only took him 1.5 hours - and it’s the most consistent, true black I have ever seen!

2019-11-04 19:46:59 GMT

No. 897636

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A sampling of her shoe designs.

No. 897644

Ruadhán weighed in during the peak of the debate over whether the Goth subculture is foremost a music-based subculture and we forgot to notice.

A "Music-Based Subculture" Probably Isn't What You Think

Fun fact: "It's all about the music" was Hot Topic's marketing slogan from about 1998 to 2010. Think about that.

Because Hot Topic's exploitation marketing strategy invalidates an existing subculture?

No. 897647

afterwards it's still cluttered, it was just such a hoarder hellhole that any sort of clean up looks amazing. i can't believe she chose to live in such a room.

No. 897650

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Speaking of declaring oneself the arbiter of Goth subculture while also profiting from it, has anyone here seen Voltaire's book?


Hardcover: 96 pages
Publisher: Weiser Books (August 1, 2004)

What Is Goth? dispels the false stereotypes and reinforces the true ones surrounding Goths and Goth culture. "To the mundane," Voltaire writes, "Goths are weird, black-clad freaks who are obsessed with death; they are sad all of the time. Take a closer look at the Goth scene, however, and you will find a rich tapestry of ideas and practices and a menagerie of colorful characters. Oh, dear. I said ‘colorful.’"

This illustrated answer to What Is Goth? shows readers how to:

• Identify the anatomies of different kinds of Goths: CyberGoths, Rivet-Heads, Romantigoths, Goth-a-billies, and more

• Write a poem (Mad Libs style) with the Gothic Poem Generator

• Properly dance the dances of darkness: "Cobwebs in the Attic," "The Gothic Tai Chi Dance," "Pulling the Evil Taffy"

Yes, Goths are pale, wear black clothing, love black makeup (on men and women), mope, listen to real downer music, and perfect the art of living in a perpetual state of ennui and melancholy. But there’s so much more to being Goth. Goths come from all walks of life. Many are teenagers who live with their parents; others are doctors, lawyers, musicians, and so on. Most Goths are highly literate and creative, but all real Goths have to dress the part. In other words, "Abandon all hope ye who enter a Goth club in khakis!"

Eerily illustrated, What Is Goth? is the perfect book for any Goth, Goth wannabe, or "mundane" who is hopelessly confused by all the gloom.

What is Goth? cemented Voltaire's place as an authority on the Gothic subculture and lead to TV appearances on Fox News, MTV and others. You can see those videos on the TV page here on Voltaire.net (http://www.voltaire.net/on_camera)

No. 897652

Oh Ruadhan. Being a contrarian edgelord again? I think he's hoping to repeat the success of his IBF video, and just trying to stir up as much trouble as possible. Remember when he accused Dorian of "starting drama for attention?" Not saying she doesn't do that, but pot, meet obnoxious squat kettle. For all his railing against big goth youtubers cashing in, he sure does plug his patreon, paypall, and amazon wishlist all the time. If he got the views for it he would sell out in no time.

No. 897656


From the man who, 15 years later, unironically shops at Spirit Halloween for housewares.

No. 897661


I thought the video had been posted in the previous thread, but it had not.

Including the entire caption to document Dorian's self-marketing:

EXTREME TIDYING! Meet the WORST MESS You Have Ever Seen!

Of Herbs and Altars
72.3K subscribers
Published on Nov 5, 2019

I was NOT exaggerating when I said the mess was BAD! XD This is Hoarder to Order, version Do It All Yourself! Yeahhh - I've basically always been messy, with occasional intervals of extreme tidiness, though those have usually correlated with eating disordered relapses or amphetamine abuse; weirdly the more happy & functional I am, the worse the mess becomes? I think happy & functional, for me = writing a lot, & a day spent tidying not writing feels like wasted time. But the EXTREME level of filth this time around is by far the worst it's ever been, & had reached that level due to the year & a half of bottle-of-Jack-a-day alcoholism circa 2017, & by the time I got sober the chaos had become TOO daunting to even tackle, so I just…didn't… For two years! Plus, obviously, there is the Shame Factor in allowing others to help, particularly when you have crazy suicidal graffiti all over your walls due to being drunk & crazy in 2017 - so great to have that almost entirely gone now! :3

It took me, in the end, round about 5-7 hours a day, every day for a straight week, then a bit more time building furniture & painting, but dear god, it has been so ABSOLUTELY worth it, & I actually enjoyed a lot of the tidying, found some wonderful old clothes, photographs, mementos of youth etc, & now I feel like everything in my life is far better organised; I can't lose all my video & writing idea notes, I have desk-space to stick Post-It reminders, & having a calmer-feeling sanctuary has meant that actually, while a lot of this tidying was driven by 'I want this place in order so it's easier to MOVE OUT as soon as possible', I'm suddenly finding that my family are not driving me half so crazy, because it's far easier to unwind & let things go in a space that feels good, & in control :3 So, I shall be recording my second tidying video soon, with all my tips, both practical & motivation-wise, on how tf to get this done if you too are starting at EXTREME, daunting, GarbageLand level, heh, so stick around if you feel you need that - I know a lot of you guys relate on the Born Messy front, so this one's for you - my mess was almost certainly EVEN WORSE than yours, but it can be done, & you will be so happy when you get there! :D

Song at the end; backing track is from the YouTube Audio Library, called Free Dog, & if anyone has a particular fondness for my total bastardisation of said track, lemme know & I'll stick the audio up on Patreon or something!

-Patreon.com/ofherbsandaltars – where secret videos & dragon scale glove giveaways happen, & most of my YouTube content you will get early access to - $2 gets you in the club – join usssss! :D
-Instagram – ofherbsandaltars
-My book of horror stories, including a vampire novella, which is a prelude to the novel I'm working on currently: search Amazon for The Putrescent Vein, available in print or on Kindle! :3
-Music – Amazon, iTunes, Spotify: 4am Vampire Blues by Neon Midnight, iTunes linkiepoo is here: https://music.apple.com/us/album/4am-vampire-blues/1055369459
-And album number 2, Retribution, is here: https://music.apple.com/album/1162784834?app=itunes&ls=1
-Angry Vampires – ofherbsandaltars.wordpress.com
-Short stories – theputrescentvein.wordpress.com
-FB – www.facebook.com/ofherbsandaltars

IMPORTANT NOTE: I have a new PO Box, so scrap the old address if you have it, I’m now overr hyarr!:
Dorian B
Initial Business Centre
Wilson Business Park
M40 8WN
–if sending anything to PO Box, please mark as 'gift' so I'm not hit with customs charges! I appreciate everyone who takes the time, but customs charges are super hard to sort out via a PO Box and can sometimes result in the item being returned to sender before I get it sorted :-/ so yeah, mark as gift and all should go smoothly!—

No. 897703

Thanks for breaking it down anon because I did see that video pop up in my recommendations and when I saw the title, I just thought it was ridiculous with the implication that one would really kill themselves just because a few people out there will not give them their preferred pronouns, nothing but first world problems.

> She says that it isn't really about feeling uncomfortable in the wrong clothing, it's about feeling more comfortable in the right clothing

What does that even mean? lol

> She also said she's glad she never transitioned, but never says why.

Because she's knows that artificial testosterone is a powerful drug and it really does alter your appearance. She's obsessed with youth and taking T would age her to look more like a stereotypical man and this is what scares the trenders the most. That once you do that, there is no going back.

Yup. You can be a Goth and have your life more or less together like Angela or Skullgirdle or be an absolute trainwreck like Dorian or Freya.

No. 897706

It is a music-based subculture that literally came from music. Joy Division didn't even look like a "Goth" band but it was the music that did the talking lol.

The fact that he really put Rivet-heads in the same breath of Goth tells me all I need to know about it lol. Voltaire is provably the last person I'd want to hear explain what Goth is.

You're most likely right. Why is he trying so hard? Instead of trying to go somewhat viral again like he did during the IBF fiasco, he should focus on making good content and maybe he'd get somewhere.

No. 897719

or lilachris got inheritance like maimagi, she was just not as vocal. but i'd rather bet on savings/parents/loan.

No. 897722

kat's blacked out arm is hideous! WTF. her shoe designs look like demonia or pleaser rip offs. tinfoil: if her mimicry is too close, she'll be slapped with copyright lawsuits. might be worth watching closely.

No. 897724

btw thx to the anons who posted so many interesting updates today

No. 897747

I don't know what Dorian's reasons for not transitioning are. But it's multiple major surgeries and a lifetime of medication. I have a relative who is trans, but cannot undergo the surgery she wants because of an auto-immune disease making it extremely risky. Other people feel that openly transitioning could be physically dangerous for them, cannot afford it, or are simply scared of surgery. Or they fear that they will not be able to "pass" after the surgery and therefore don't get it for fear of being ridiculed. Doesn't make them less trans.

No. 897748

Does anyone have any idea if Ruadhan actually used the money his Gofundme raised for an exterminator? I don't really watch his stuff because it's mostly endless rambling, and I just can't sit through hours of him talking to his cats to get to thr milk. But if anybody knows please tell.

No. 897751

Yeh but he only has 2 patrons and gets 14 dollars per month so I guess it isn't working too well.

No. 897763

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Is it me, or is the way Mara keeps pointing out how she's still really good friends with her first fat friend despite her second fat friend kinda weird? I know people have speculated about it on here and she lurks. But it seems like something people wouldn't worry about if they were secure in their friendship.

No. 897792

Okay so I have some Dorian milk that I'm surprised no one else has talked about.
If any of you have watched Dorian's videos during her year long drunken train wreck phase- she'd often upload videos where she was inebriated and then delete them an hour later.

At one point she made a few videos about her childhood. I can't remember the specifics, it was a while ago and there's no existing footage of these videos anymore, but she was talking about her bio father being abusive towards her, making comments on her body- hips and breasts to be exact. She then said he was one of the reasons for her eating disorder.

Then, in another video she was talking about someone in her family who had done something to her when she was a young teen, and her mother not believing her about it. It was heavily implied that it was sexual- idk if she got molested or even raped. She did not specify but it was clearly distressing.

I connected the dots and it was clear that it was her bio father although in the video she never named this mysterious "family member". The video was deleted FAST.

I'm sorry I can't provide evidence but maybe a fellow anon can back me up?

Anyways, I have a theory that her fathers abuse is the reason Dorian isn't comfortable with herself as a woman. I don't think she has gender dysphoria- I think she connects being feminine and having a female body with the abuse she experienced and seeing herself as male instead alleviates that stress. I think it's a coping mechanism for her.

It's honestly sad that this is how she's had to deal with it.

No. 897798

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Speaking of Ruadhan, someone posted this in an older thread, if anyone cares.

No. 897805

This has been discussed before, and I think you're right. Especially since she's also mentioned that her Dad is a mysoginist and she has internalised some of that.

No. 897831

doubt it because demonia rips off everyone else so they wouldn't have a leg to stand on

No. 897832

Ruadhan's shop seems to be mostly public domain images printed on buttons. Is it okay to use band images etc for sales? I honestly don't know but I doubt bone orchard or the tiger lillies signed off on this.

No. 897852

Jesus, she needs to get help if it's true. No wonder she's a complete trainwreck. Her mother deserves a good slapping for neglecting her.

No. 897858

Well if he actually put more work into making actual good content instead of trying to have a second mini viral moment like he did with the IBF fiasco, he would find more success.

holy crap anon I actually do remember the second one about the certain family member who she said did "something" to her and who she still has to see during holidays. Thinking about it now, that can totally be where Dorian's "gender dysphoria" comes from. A troubling event that happened in her past as a child where she felt she had not control, especially if her mother didn't believe. Heck maybe her mom secretly knew but chose to ignore it and that's why she puts up with Dorian still being perpetually stuck as a teenager.

Most definitely but it doesn't seem like they'll be getting any help anytime soon.

No. 897873

Apparently it happened while she was staying with her Dad (presumably) in spain. She's referred to "the spain incident" and has also mentioned that her father has an apartment there. Her mom and stephdad didn't knoe until she told them during her year of drunkenness and breakdown. It seems to have caused some conflict in the family now, with her brother no longer wantinv to see her dad, and her mom not really adressing it.

No. 897874


I Always thought it was an uncle or something on here mothers side? As I recall she wanted to talk to him and wouldn't want the smaller cousins being around him, and was talking to some family members about it, and from what I remember the female cousins are on here mothers side? I think something about spending xmas with them some year.
Her bio father wouldn't be a problem there considering hi is not precent on that side of the family?

No. 897875

Her Father seems to be a general scumbag. In her tidying vlog she mentions one of her earliest memories being her father taking her to a crackhouse to buy a computer when she was a little girl.

No. 897876

Her dad still comes over for christmas for some reason. She freaks out about it every year. Though that might just be general anxiety.

No. 897882

File: 1574725073634.jpg (64.29 KB, 530x423, brutal.jpg)

>debt or bankruptcy
>coalcandy: uh are you committing """financial suicide"""
>oh snap
he spoke what everyone else thought, oh gosh

coalcandy interview

No. 897890


I feel like she’s also one upping Mai and Annika who have been doing pretty much the same thing with each other since they fell out. They all clearly haven’t gotten over whatever broke them up. It’s all so melodramatic and unnecessary at this point.

No. 897891

>taking her to a crackhouse
>to buy a computer
that crackhouse must have been amazon kek

No. 897898

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This. And it's pathetic Annika keeps skinwalking Mara, look at the hand to face posture everyone makes. People can bitch about Mara all they want, she is the one to set the bar, the rest follows her.

No. 897902

At least Dorian seems androgynous, unlike Sebastian Columbine.

No. 897906

Now noe anon. Sebastian looks like a perfectly fine gekko.

No. 897912

Yeah, Mara is the first person in human history to take a picture with her hand(s) next to her face. No one had ever done it before her.

Also how do we know Mara's picture was taken before all the others?

No. 897915


I’m just waiting for someone from Annika’s gang to come here with another bullshit variation on the theme of “Why Mara is a Bitch” since we’ve been talking about them a little more again. Maybe Mara reported Annika for fraud or something as they seem hellbent on dragging her through the mud.

No. 897916

Because it has been happening for years. Mara does X, everyone else scrambles to copy her. Mai and Annika used to be her OG copycats, now they flip out when they think others copy them. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

No. 897917

Maybe. But I don't even think it would have been that serious. Just any falling out would have damaged their "serene witches sisterhood of super mature superiority" look. Or maybe they just want to make her look terrible so people will credit her less if she decides to spill the dirt she has on them.

No. 897919

Man I wish I would have been following Dorian back then and didn't miss out on her drunken videos. Anyway, her dad is a piece of shit, even if he wasn't the one who sexually abused her. I feel bad for her having to put up with that all these years. I remember her saying in her 90's internet video how being at her dad's made her miserable but I didn't realize how truly awful he was.

You might be right about this being just a coping mechanism for her, but she also has autism and there's a huge correlation with women who identify as nonbinary and having ASD.

No. 897927

It's dead serious, believe me. They hate each other to the bone. It's avada kedavra if they were real witches. Thank god they aren't, and they are afraid to wash dirty laundry in public.

No. 897929

I wonder how long it will take for manic mooch and mai to turn on each other. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.

No. 897938

They only have each other at this point and working together helps their wannabe businesses. I'm sure something will happen eventually though. I doubt either of them is truly capable of forming a real longlasting and healthy friendship, especially not Mai.

No. 897939


>It's dead serious, believe me. They hate each other to the bone. It's avada kedavra if they were real witches. Thank god they aren't, and they are afraid to wash dirty laundry in public.

Yes, they are way too bitter and angry about whatever happened for it to just be "bitch stole my shitty artwork"…if you can call anything these girls do "art" lol.


>Or maybe they just want to make her look terrible so people will credit her less if she decides to spill the dirt she has on them.

I think this is a really good point because this is often what it seems like whenever some random post comes flying through 100% in support of Manic Mai but totally against Mara.

I mean, they're so fucking determined to make Mara out to be this disgusting person but at the same time, they can't come up with anything better than "she stole our art!" or "she slept over too many nights at mai's!" to convince me that she's any worse than they are.

If she really did steal their "art" or was a couch surfer, why be so secretive about it when directly confronted with the breakup? Why isolate her and other girls like Felvae and cat if she's just your run of the mill loser? They keep contradicting themselves by their behavior, like who goes on some wheezy site like Guru Gossip to post the same stupid shit that they were bringing here?

No. 897941

Mai doesn't really trust her. They have made jewelry together, but it was kinda odd. The first collections were in Moth's shop, then they were exclusively sold in Mai's shop. I think for some reason Mai decided to take more control. Now she has stock and money, not Moth.

No. 897945

Does anyone know how old thehauntedbat is? She's a primary school teacher now, but seems more concerned with decorating the classroom for halloween. She also seems in no hurry to move out on her own, probably so she can afford to hoard more pets and halloween crap.

No. 897947

Sad if your only serious friend is someone you know you can't trust.

I don't like Mara. But she does seem like "the sane one" by default.

No. 897952

Oh Mai. She focuses so much on sustainability and making those eCo fRiEndlY band shirts that she forgot about the the thing she should actually be working on- the music.

We shouldn’t be surprised that the art is taking a back seat yet again, just like her lazy designs and drawings that would normally take a middle schooler in arts and crafts class up to 15min to complete.
The main focus of her hippie belts- the metal front piece- isn’t even her work kek.

It blows my mind that her mindless followers fawn over it all, but I guess they’d buy anything from miss enlightened elven princess.

No surprise that they’d also unironically listen to her “band” that is really glorified sorta- Nordic elevator music.

I know its hard to understand this these days, but to be a musician you need to practice, learn and put a lot of work into it. It’s sad that people choose to support a talentless influencer with no music knowledge or skill.
Also, it would be grand if she hired someone to actually mix and master her shit but I doubt she understands what that is or would even be willing to pay someone for it since she was too cheap to pay 50bucks to put her album on a streaming site.

No. 897954

Honeslty her "music" woudln't fly on most royalty free websites lmao

No. 897957

Honestly, I'd forgotten she was trying to make music. I thought that had gone the way of her podcast.

No. 897960

Her music wasn't bad but not good enough to put up with her bs personality.

Tinfoil: I'd piss my pants laughing if Mai takes free clothing from their swap >>896227 to sell in her online shop.

No. 897962

You just predicted the future kek.

No. 897968

>she slept over too many nights at mai's
manic mooch shouldn't be complaining. rumor has it that she was ousted by a friend for being an impertinent guest. the friend has cut off ties to her since then.

No. 897988

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According to this, she'd be 21, which…. Yikes. I thought she was 26-30. I don't know how credible this site is, though.

No. 897996

>>897633 At least Kat actually does things with her life, but even with her ~proactive~ self her shoe brand I haven't seen much transparency about it? All Ive heard is 'apple leather' LOL

Saging mainly for this but I think the black-out look is sooooo ugly, the laser removal she initially got alone did a really good job after one session, she clearly has the access why not have just done that and then gotten your arms covered with other new stuff?

No. 898004

Blackouts always look horrible and bad.

No. 898014

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Horse face is pregnant again. Can’t wait to see what downs child she births this time

No. 898019

downs child big oof

All her ig stories seem to point that she and her goblin faced hubby have had either had a major fight or even got separated.

If that's the case I wonder how she'd cope as a single mom of 3 and not being able to spend thousands on new makeup and clothes every single week.

No. 898029

Yeah I believe it was an uncle she was talking about. I don't remember her talking about her dad, at least not in that video.

That or osme place he found on craigslist lol.

Oh god Sebastian. Granted both are attention whores but Sebastian was even more ridiculous with that nonsense lol.

Never heard her music anon. Did she like only make instrumental stuff or did she actually sing in it and if so, was she about Aveline Moray levels or actually somewhat passable?

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if she actually did keep spending thousands on new makeup and clothes and then try to get extra money through donations to get the stuff she actually needs to support the kids.

No. 898037


No. 898038

Not a good review. Maybe he should move in with Dorian and they can live in squalor together. Begging for money online is always a sign of no self respect.

No. 898049

Yikes indeed. That would make her a rough 21 year old.

No. 898060

>Never heard her music anon. Did she like only make instrumental stuff or did she actually sing in it and if so, was she about Aveline Moray levels or actually somewhat passable?

Not the anon, but I find her music to be mediocre at best. It's mostly nature sounds with synth and her "singing" is heavy breathing, chanting and vocalising. It's supposed to make you feel like you're in the middle of a magic ritual, I guess? Some songs feel like a rip-off of Burzum's songs to me.
The thing that drove me away from her was her high-pitched "HEllo guys, Mai Magi here!" at the beginning of her videos, and the more they go on the more her voice lowers to her natural pitch. She's so fake, I really liked her early style, when she was still shortcuttothestars.

No. 898071

I don't like Mara because she's an immature idiot, but it's impossible to deny she's the most creative of the three looks-wise. I followed her for years because of her daily looks.

No. 898079

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I hope this hasn't been posted already, but I haven't read a lot of recent posts due to all the sperging. Victoria is a beautiful and nice seeming girl, why does she edit her photos so badly so she literally looks like a cross between Picasso painting and Casper?

No. 898080

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No. 898096

#nofilter anon

No. 898098

She's kind of an airhead tho. Married the guy for a greencard, photoshoping her face beyond what it is… meet her a bunch of times and knows some of her exes.

No. 898099

Yeah. Mara isn't the creative genius she claims to be. But out of the bunch of them her looks are the more original, and she also at least looks comfortable in it. Mai tries, but she ends up looking like a human blanketfort. And manic mooch looks like an amorphous blob with the occasional haircolor change.

No. 898103

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There she is with her natural face.

No. 898110

Thats my sleep paralysis demon

No. 898131

I know this is nothing to contribute but good lord this woman is unfortunate looking. She looks like a creature.

No. 898217

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Kat von D offers 16 different shoes, but only 1 is made of apple leather. The majority is cheap fake leather made of pvc, polyurethane and polyester. It's greenwashing.

No. 898235


>why be so secretive about it when directly confronted with the breakup? Why isolate her and other girls like Felvae and cat if she's just your run of the mill loser? They keep contradicting themselves by their behavior

Exactly my thoughts. It doesn't make sense. It feels more like Manic Mai are jealous and petty frenemies whose ill will finally surfaced when they thought they don't need Mara anymore.


>I really liked her early style, when she was still shortcuttothestars.

Me too. Shame she turned into this super fake person.

No. 898237


>Married the guy for a greencard

Spill the story anon.

No. 898295

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No. 898296

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Kat is blatantly copying others designs.

No. 898297

I thought this was Adora at first glance.

No. 898303

superb work anon!
From which brand did she copy the laced platform wedge? They're horrible to walk on and they look hideous, jesus.

No. 898305

It's a horse face competition between Avelina and Sebastian Columbine. They do both look unfortunate.

No. 898306

Jeffrey Campbell and John fluvogs

No. 898334

Holy crap! That’s not even a subtle way to steal something, she didn’t bother to change anything

No. 898341

Exactly and I was bummed bc she has an amazing shoe closet
When I saw her line I’m like omg I know where all these shoes came from.
The black and white oxford wedges are Jeffrey Campbell.
When I wrote her shoe ig page about it and sent them the same pics they blocked me.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 898357

what a bunch of twats. don't cowtip in future. if you wanna tell someone, tell the designers kat stole from. she needs a wake up call.

No. 898388

What did you think would happen? Not being sarcastic, but I don't see how this could have ended any other way? It's not like the brand would admit they're copying or that they'd drop the copied designs immediately because they were caught by one rando (even if the rando is in the right)

No. 898408

Speaking of cowtipping (well, not really), I was watching Mai's livestream today and someone asked her how she deals with negativity online, to which she responded that she recently found horrible gossip about herself by accident and it gives her anxiety. She probably lurks here.

No. 898441

Obviously I wasn’t thinking I was so annoyed I just did it. But In the future I know better.

No. 898445

Just speculations.
She gets engaged to every guy she falls in love with, usualy after a couple of months.
The last guy, Madin-something she met in the states where she studies right now, cheated with this new dude and gets engaged to him instead.
She doesn't have to study now that they got married, to stay in LA.

She had a go fund me last year for her tuition, even though her parents are loaded.
Thank god if she stays in america, we don't want her back!

No. 898451

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Not sure if this really fits here, I just came across this and found it hilarious, hope some of you will appreciate it lol

No. 898495

Is the go fund me available online? How do you know her parents are loaded?

No. 898512

Not anymore.
I've meet her many many times. The gothscene in Sweden isn't big.

No. 898746

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Nothing overly milky, but was scrolling through insta and thought adora had dyed her hair. She didn’t. There’s a skin walker and an overly photoshopped one at that. Nose is never the same and her waist in some pics is laughable. Just some cringe since this place is a tad dry…

No. 898774

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I had a look at her instagram and Idk, I don't think she seems like an Adora copycat. Her style looks different overall, more like she is trying to pursue the occult-y/Morticia goth aesthetic rather than… whatever Adora's style is called. Her waist is insane though and her face doesn't even look real in a lot of pictures..

No. 898810

Speaking of cows. Check out this "goth authority" and "professional mermaid." Of course her explanation of goth does not involve music in as ny way.

No. 898822

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338k subs and less than 5k views…. ouch

No. 898827

Her parents own a god damn castle. I think her father works as some sort of director. I'd be shocked if they weren't loaded, especially since she's never had to work a day in her life.

No. 898830

What's their family name? Gimme a hint where to look if you don't want to post the full name. I want to see that god damn castle.

No. 898832

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Lol it's true. Michael never died.

No. 898833

Inbetween the wingeing and complaining about the wintertime and how hard it is to be a youtuber and how tired she is she did mention going to the GP to get a referral for a therapist. Which is absolutely a good idea. Now lets see if she actually does it.

No. 898838

new milk on Isibella and her crusty kitties from a former chateau kitten

No. 898881

As someone who has actually gone to school with Mai I can tell you all, she does not sound like that ever irl. Nor is her facial expressions or body language like that. It's really weird to see her in videos

No. 898895

And of coruse this poser uses the tired and false "Goth is a person who appreciates the darkness" crap. I stopped after I heard that and of course she doesn't talk about the music, most of these chicks aren't Goth.

I want to give her the benefit of the doubt but… lol

No. 898899

she says in the video “you can like any music you want to! goths can like POP or COUNTRY” I wanted to scoop my own eyeballs out.

I’m so tired of these idiots. I feel like an outlier in my later 20’s having been listening to goth music most of my life when I feel like most people start dressing that way first and THEN figuring out that there’s even music attached to it.

Sorry to blogpost just ranting a bit.
Also unrelated but her wig looks like shit. hope she doesn’t keep talking about this subject.

No. 898900

OMG spill spill spill! I heard from people Mai is super fake. She literally can't keep up the act and after some time people notice and drop her nasty ass.

No. 898902

She goes swimming in that nasty wig.

No. 898974

Honestly, I can't recall. I want to say it starts with an 'E', it used to be on her facebook. She was on the swedish version of project runway, you might find it there.
Also Adora often feature pictures of the castle whenever she visits.

No. 898984

At least she didn't include "Josephine" in this video…

No. 899035


KEK, for someone who preaches about being vegan to save the world she sure as hell doesn't even try to make a difference with her brands

No. 899046

sorry if this is a nitpick but it's not even winter yet. yea it gets dark early and is colder, that happens every fucking year so why not address it instead of always complaining about the same damn thing.

she also thinks going to barcelona next month is suddenly going to motivate her to make content. yea, we'll get a couple videos and as soon as the trip is over she'll be back to whining about everything.

No. 899094

I actually like the purple phase she's going through, it certainly looks better than the pink vomit mess she was going through a while back.

No. 899139

Her real name is Victoria Eriksson, supercommon. Tha castle is namned sparreholms slott.

No. 899207

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>her father works as some sort of director

victoria's father sven lennart eriksson is deputy director of six companies and board member of another four companies. her mother anna maria karinen has director and board member positions in the same companies. she has 17 director and board member position in total.

No. 899209

>The castle and the park is today owned by Helge Karinen, who told us about his work to restore the castle, and about the new and reconstructions, that he has had made. The activity, consisting of conference with lodging, parties and museums, are run by Helge's daughter and son in law Anna Karinen and Sven Ericsson.

>Sparreholm came to be owned by Dickson’s through the above mentioned Robert Dickson, who left it to his son Emil. Emil was married to Anna Lewenhaupt, who died at only 42 years of age

interesting family history

No. 899325

Have you seen the Jake memes going around? https://imgur.com/a/2K6Y0J0(imageboard)

No. 899337

Voltaire interviews tge "vampire king of Austin, Texas" and it is exactly as cringe as you'd think.

No. 899463

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No. 899490

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She talks about Mai and Moth right? Is it bad if I want real drama and internet fight between them? Thats not gonna happen bc they want to be seen as the nicest persons on earth, but I wonder how the fights happened when they "broke up"

No. 899492

She's absolutely talking about M&M. And although what she says is pretty self-rigeous, and very "look how adult I am." But what she said absolutely tracks with my impression of Mai and Annika.

No. 899499

It's 100% about the MMs, I wish some anons would poke that subject a bit more with Psychara and have her spill some beans at least. I tried already but it hardly worked. I want some juicy drama.(cowtipping)

No. 899522

I can understand anon. And I mean yes of course Goths can and do listen to other music but the difference is that these idiots don't listen to Goth music and it's pretty obvious they only call themselves because it's trendy.

Yep she doesn't realize that moving isn't gonna solve her problems. She can kick her own ass and be productive without having to move to a place she doesn't even know.

Lol I have not seen these memes but that's a pretty good and accurate one.

No. 899566

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Does her head look cartoonishly large in this photo or is it just me? I'm not even trying to be mean or anything it's just… weird..

No. 899571

Nah it looks similar in the rest of her photos. It's also the angle of the camera but still within the norm. I don't think she shooped it.

No. 899585

I follow her on Instagram though and I never noticed her head looking that huge..

No. 899586

looking like a joker blobfish in that third panel, this is really funny too. i forsee him making some sort of christmas related merch that will be as stupid as the others while constantly repeating he's a one man business.

No. 899607

They both look so awful. Logan is looking rougher than usual, and Voltaire though good for his age is going downhill. His banter as well has tanked, and the whole video was super low energy and not in a 'two guys chilling and bantering' way. The forced flirting at the end made me cringe the hardest.

No. 899611

Saging bc I don't think this is milk, but remember the goth girl who made a video calling out Jake and then selfposted here? Well I just came across this video by a guy named Johnny Cringe (fitting name) who is a fan of Jake and made a 17 minute long video bitching about her. I only watched 5 minutes but he has already mocked her, insulted her makeup, started bitching and whining that she said Jake isn't goth and goes on a tangent about how ~gOtH JuST MeAnS YOu LiKE dArK tHInGS~

Oh yeah, and this guy is 25 and has a kid. Just shows you the type of gross cretins who are fans of Jake.

No. 899613

….. And there's a part two, and it's 30 minutes long.

It opens with him obnoxiously laughing at her and mocking her, then calling her bitchy.

This is a grown ass man.

No. 899616

Well that's unfortunate.
I'm not surprised that a shitty fan of his would do that. To be fair, making a video criticizing a youtuber with a substantial following that's comprised of idiots… you kinda have to expect some backlash in return.
I'm surprised the shitlord himself hasn't made a video about her, but I imagine thats solely because tGHe sUn goEs dOwN toO eArlY.

No. 899625

For me it's the fact that this dude is a 25 year old father… Like you really have nothing better to do than go after a teenager on the internet who insulted someone you like? Like, y'know, spend time with your kid?

No. 899845

Angela's video about a SRSQ concert she just went to and talks about the scene being on an upswing.

No. 899890

such is the way the internet goes unfortunately. like it's so far fetched for someone to have an opinion this guy doesn't agree with, he had to put up videos attacking the way she looks and so forth b/c he probably doesn't have a coherent thought or point.

no surprise that this is the type of person who capes for jakey boy, and if it were ever brought to his attention he'd find a way to say he's not encouraging or endorsing this type of behavior, blah blah blah.

No. 900029

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I don't know why she thinks she's anywhere near likes of Shelley kek

No. 900057

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100% about Maimagi and Manicmoth. Especially the part about mental illness. Heard something about Mai Moth made fun of Psychara's depression, allegedly they said it's not real and she blocked them. Mocking people with mental problems ain't cool or edgy, it's someone being a sad bully.

No. 900083

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She seriously needs a bra

No. 900085

Is Angela a cow? Or do we just post all of her vids for discussion purposes?

Also love how she was like “no elitism” and then in the same breath said she didn’t want to be at a venue with hipsters that was very annoying. I’ll gladly share my music with people from all walks of life, if there were ONLY goths at a tr/st show I’d be concerned bc they’re/he’s popular in a lot of circles.

No. 900087

That tracks mai strikes me as one of those "you can just NOT be depressed" people, with her focuss on "serenity" and "self care" via herbal tea etc.

No. 900230

did she cure her fibromyalgia with herbal teas lmao? she'd be throwing a tantrum if anyone claimed her fibro isn't a real illness. look at >>898408 she has ""anxiety"" because randos on the internet called out her hypocrisy.

No. 900234

who dis?

No. 900239

Tattoo, saggy rack, phone case don't give it away? That's Kaya.

No. 900246

I saw this a few weeks ago but tapped out after 3 minutes. When he started just just resorting to insulting the girl's appearance and not actually address her claims, I just couldn't be bothered. Though I knew the video would be shit because aside from her making the pedophilic accusations, the rest of her video was more or less spot on.

You're right, this was to be expected with the fanbase that Jake and Kaya have which comprises of clueless teenagers and useful idiots to spread their BS.

I thought that was Emily Boo haha Dang.. Yeah a bra couldn't have hurt.

No. 900250

Not very milky, since it´s more of the same and gets tiring… Kaya complaining she's behind in work (work meaning unboxing gifts and recording it), and that she's been very stressed. I just can't.

No. 900252

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Samefag, but you have to wonder if these people have actual mental problems…

No. 900253

do not cowtip newfag. dig somewhere else if you want that milk.

it makes her look like a troon. it's close to reality though. she isn't any good without snow or whatever she's using.

i also thought it was emily…

>it's winter and youtubing is so hard, sooo stressed

No. 900269

She's not a cow really but I've seen people post her videos here before so I didn't know if you guys would be interested. I guess there was no point in posting it really.

And yeah I'm not really sure what her issue with hipsters is. I'm guessing she had a back experience with one or something.

No. 900283

So Victoria Lovelace is Mai Magi on steroids?
>my family has ties to nobility and they own a freaking castle, please pay my gofundme look at me a broke starving artist uwu

No. 900311

sounds like gatekeeping to me tbqh

No. 900315

Are we supposed to have Kaya's tattoos memorized or something lol

No. 900321

I think Erin Micklow and her husband are separating. She hasn't posted about him in ages and he doesnt comment on her posts anymore.

No. 900342

Omg run….

No. 900369

I don't think Angela is much of a gatekeeper because she was friends with Reeree who was an obvious poseur for a long time. The hipster thing is kind of weird though.

No. 900400

Samefag but I forgot to mention that she also says she has a lot of goth friends who are metalheads, so I don't think she's super gatekeeper-y in general. I'd be interested to know what her beef with hipsters is, unless she was joking about the whole hipster thing.

No. 900402

anon don't be so mean. it's really hard to wake up past noon every day, play pokemon go and open boxes of free shit in front of a camera. you probably just work a full time job somewhere and have actual responsibilities and just don't understand what it's like to be a youtuber.

No. 900448

She is just so freaking ridiculous and is lucky a majority of her fans who support lazy ass are clueless sycophants because goly she is just a nauseating trip.


This. Angela isn't a gatekeeper. She knows her facts and if anything, is very welcoming to newcomers of the scene. But yeah the hipster comment was odd. Maybe she'll talk about them sometime in a future.

No. 900477

she literally has videos about how there need to be more all ages goth events so young people can get into the scene and said the more the merrier so yeah not much of a gatekeeper.

No. 900505

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Believe it or not but EB is much larger than Kaya

No. 900516

But isn't EB shorter too? Also the person in that pic doesnt even look fat, aside from her arms. Like she doesn't even have a muffin top.

No. 900640

EB is 4'11" I believe, so at least she has a bit more of an excuse for being the size she is kek. Kaya is 5'10" and fat, she must be eating SO much to be so big

No. 900645

Also, EB had a baby. Not that that was a great idea, but it does tend to lead to more chub. Kaya just has a manchild, which doesn't count.

No. 900663

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Guess you haven't seen EB stuffing her face every chance she gets. In her videos you can easily see the double chin and she still looks pregnant because of her tum. Her kid is at least 5, so what? Not an excuse at this point. She's a self proclaimed snackaholic and so she's a midget, even more of a reason to watch her weight but she doesn't. Then again I forgot that unless it's Freyja or Kaya we're not supposed to talk about their weight kek

No. 900674

Oh I know lol That's why I said she wasn't a gatekeeper because a true gatekeeper wouldn't say something like that, let alone provide helpful tips for newcomers.

Kaya eats a lot of junk food and has been doing so for years. I remember in an older video she said that back when she was skinny, she used to eat whatever she wanted and she wouldn't gain weight but obviously that was back when she was like in high school and didn't realize that your metabolism slows down as you age and her body she has now is the result of that + antidepressants and a sedentary lifestyle all combined.

No. 900679

>Oh I know lol That's why I said she wasn't a gatekeeper because a true gatekeeper wouldn't say something like that, let alone provide helpful tips for newcomers.

I know. I was agreeing with you lol

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>And yeah I'm not really sure what her issue with hipsters is. I'm guessing she had a back experience with one or something.
She meant meme hipsters. I haven't meet anybody who'd use "hipster" unironically since 2010 when hipster plague happened. Maybe it wasn't a thing in your country or you're too young to meet those people. Anyway, comments about hipsters going to concerts are just silly jokes.

No. 900732


Other anons who claim to have met Kaya IRL have said that even when she was skinny she would compulsively count caloried. So I think her "i used to eat whatever I wanted" line might have been bullshit.

No. 900742

she finally uploaded after a thousand years. first thing out of her mouth "im so so sorry guys!" so disingenuous, makes me sick. just quit youtube if you arent gonna bother cow

No. 900755

>I've really missed you
I've really missed your $$$$

No. 900775

>Other anons who claim to have met Kaya IRL have said that even when she was skinny she would compulsively count calories

Hm, I don't remember that. Do you remember what thread that was in? I would think if she was the type to obsessively count calories she would have lost weight by now.

No. 900790

oh why doesn't she just fuck off? she's now the poster girl for wellbeing and getting sunshine? give me a break.

No. 900795

hahahahahaha "put down your phone looking for social media validation"….. that's rich coming from her and hypocritical af. this video just reeks of poor me disguised as advice to others.

No. 900839

Yeah, since Erin went on her solo trip to Cambodia to "find herself" Joe's been missing from her posts and stories. She was always taping him and shrilly shouting "Whatcha doin' Joe?" He must have finally been driven mental. I'm surprised they were together so long, she's so fucking annoying.

No. 900865

There was a time when I would have said Froyo was my favorite youtuber. But now knowing how scummy she is irl I can't enjoy her videos anymore.

I think this video was just an excuse to bring up depression as an excuse for not uploading. Like always.

No. 900882

Ah okay well okay then, if that's the case than I wonder what happened? Maybe she just got tired of the calorie counting and just went into a total binge and never looked back. I remember back in like 2015 where she said she would get nutrition tips from Jake which was just not a good idea because he was eating like a bodybuilder at that time and she had already been inactive so she wasn't burning off the calories.

Pretty much >>900755 I wonder if her Patreon donations have started to drop because of her inactivity.

You're not alone with this mindset anon. If you asked me who my favorite YouTuber was back in 2013-2015, I would've said IBF but seeing how she really is, I just can't do that neither.

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This thumbnail is even more nightmare inducing than usual…

No. 900907

Currently hunting for it. I think it was either 13 or 14. That Anon said the same went for Jake, and he has talked about having been anorexic in the past.

No. 900910

Oh yeah, I know Jake was. He has a video about it. This video is only 5 minutes long. I thought he had a longer video about it too where he went more into detail but maybe I'm just remembering wrong.

No. 900930

I remember him having a longer video as well. Weird.

No. 900978


Does Freya still owe people money so they call her out in her youtube comments?

No. 901052

You guys sound like onion boy when you fatshame these cows. Are y'all anachans or something? I know this thread is dry but find some actual milk.

No. 901053

Speaking of Kaya's weight (cause aren't we always) her old "how to stick to a healthy diet" video is so ironic now. Also her face looks so much less bloated here.

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Avelina going through it

No. 901057

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No. 901058

she went on a trip to "find herself", would like to know more. given how much she posted him and how they were such a ~punk couple~ i am curious as to what's going on that he's absent now.

i like how he said this look was him trying to be 'normal' or whatever but it actually worked for him and his personality way more than whatever the fuck he's doing now.

No. 901064

Simply saying that they're fat and the causes for their fatness where it's obvious from their eating habits that they show on Instagram is not "fatshaming". It's literally what they are dude, they're fat. And the anachan thing is dumb because when Dorian was going back to her anorexic ways, no one was celebrating it as far as I know.

It really makes you wonder what happened.

> i like how he said this look was him trying to be 'normal' or whatever but it actually worked for him and his personality way more than whatever the fuck he's doing now.

He was just as much a cow back then but I agree anon, this look looked a lot better than the mess he does now. It's pretty clear the only reason he's doing this 99 cent store knock off Joker is because he thinks it'll make him look more GofFIc.

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Something definitely happened, it’s constant wallowing in her sorrows. Go eat a carrot. Can’t wait to hear her absolute shit music about these dark times

No. 901097

As annoying as horseface is with her gaudy and ostentatious hauls and flaunting of money, shitty covers and oversharing of her kids lives, I kinda feel sorry for her.
Its clear that her pig faced husband has left her.
She's in the middle of a pregnancy, with two small children and don't forget that they own a large business together.
I'd be losing my shit too…

Can any insider anons spill some milk on this?

No. 901120

I agree. Though my sympathy is somewhat tempered by her finding the time to post about her overwhelming grief on social media.

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what's the brown shit that's always staining Kaya's nails

No. 901132

Why are her nails so pitted? She needs better nutrition or something.

No. 901170

She probably had another miscarriage. I mean…. sharing that with the world is just weird.

No. 901171

Its called filth. Her nails are always unclean.

No. 901179

>go eat a carrot

I'm going to hell for how much I laughed at that..

No. 901185

Honestly? It kind of looks like chocolate to me lol

No. 901194

No, she’s still pregnant. If you followed all the stories from last and this week she heavily implies that it’s heartbreak and caused by her husband. Lots of pics at night alone in bed, alone with kids. He’d usually be all over her stories.

No. 901233

He's probably sick of her spending his money… she does fuck all.

No. 901307

we've been over this before, there just isn't enough real milk. I used to defend kaya when people would come for her weight, but I don't anymore because knowing how two-faced she is I don't really feel bad for her.

No. 901373

I second this. Her “job” is this bag business. Other than that she’s a stay at home mum that is beyond up herself. You’d have to pretty shitty to have reeree and other “goths” end up not liking you. I’d say he has had enough. Especially since he’s also been doing all the renovations in the house and working. I’d be pissed too

No. 901378

To be fair don't knock stay at home moms, raising kids and managing a home isn't easy work or lesser than any other job.
Even if your wife is a vain, materialistic horseface like Avelina its still hella low of him to leave two children and a pregnant wife.

No. 901379

did avelina fall out with reeree and other "goths"? I never heard that. can you share details?

No. 901445

+1 here. She seems like a lazy stay-at-home mum who only uses that as an excuse to not really contribute in a way that really helps her husband out and maybe he just the relationship's give/take was too one-sided so he left her.

Oh for sure anon, being a stay at home mom can be hard work assuming the kids are home most of the time and don't know how to take care of themselves yet but it feels like Avelina is one of those parents who may leave her kids watching YouTube or a movie and then just plopping at her computer or snapping her selfies in the bathroom and maybe make dinner every now and then. There's probably more to the story though because it is kinda drastic to up and leave when you have two kids who aren't fully grown and a third one on the way.

No. 901451

Dorian uploaded this video a few days ago about what it was like growing up with undiagnosed Asperger's. A friend of her with Asperger's just posted about his degree and his wonderful life now, and he was diagnosed with Asperger's very young and his parents were told that he would never accomplish very much, so they had low expectations of him and and everything he accomplished received lots of praise.

She said her family had such high expectations of her growing up that nothing she did was ever good enough, and any time she expressed having trouble with things their answer was always "try harder/you're being lazy". She also says her stepmom (who is a therapist) says stuff like "you just need to get over it" about her struggles with Asperger's.

She also says she developed anorexia as a cry for help because when she said she was depressed her family just ignored it. She thought that developing anorexia would make it so that if she got better people would just be grateful that she was better and stop having high expectations of her, but that didn't happen. I bet this all contributed to her using drugs later on.

I usually roll my eyes at Dorian but honestly this is really sad and I don't envy her.

No. 901471

“Stay at home mom” Isnt a job anon and if they get a divorce (like people do) he’s still liable to take care of his children, its just poor Avelina has to get a real job instead of faffing about in her goff house.

No. 901472

Have you ever tried raising kids? It IS a job. Fuck you.

No. 901473

Anon, seriously I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. Raising children is never easy and it’s more than a full time job, except you don’t get paid and get disrespected by dickwads like you.

No. 901474

Some of y’all probably think that sticking your kids in a daycare or hiring a full time nanny where they barely we both parents is a better choice eh?

Don’t forget that Avelina cofounded that super successful music school with her husband. It’s not like she’s a do nothing bitch or leeching, she owns half the business lol. She also does the paperwork and taxes for it.

The fact that she stayed home to raise her fucking kids should be seen as a sacrifice and not “being lazy”.
Some of you are fucking delusional, goddamn. I feel sorry for your mothers.

And before I get complaints for white knighting, I don’t actually like her. She’s fucking annoying. But we gotta give credit where it’s due- she’s no Kaya type of cow.

No. 901480

Yeah cuz she's totally not so far up her own ass to raise well rounded kids that won't absorb her baggage. Probably plops a tablet in their hands while she paints her face and boohoo to a camera.

It's hard work to do well, sure,but y'all chose that shit so chill with the martyrdom.

No. 901481

You weren't even talking about just Avelina though. You were coming for anyone who's a stay at home mom.

Good job backtracking though.

No. 901494

Never got around to watching it because I didn't think she'd say anything worthwhile but wow I gotta admit, that is pretty rough. A lot of her issues definitely are starting to make more sense as she reveals more of her background and how she may have slipped into drug abuse and anorexia.

No. 901501

Agreed. I don't feel bad for horseface since she doesn't actually seem to pay too much attention to her kids. But being a stay at home mom or dad is a fulltime job. You're responsible for a helpless human being. That's a big deal.

No. 901502

She also mentions being chided for not excelling and constantly being compared to het friends. But also not getting praise when she did excell because it was expected. When she got her degree despite her aspergers and kicking her heroin addiction, her family commented that her grades weren't high enough. Jesus.

No. 901523

their music school is not successful. its only the husband who does it and the business page for it has less than 70 followers. she tries to make her life seem way more successful than it really is.

No. 901546

>successful music school
that thing is a side hustle. it's comparable to lilachris' clothing shop, not actually making money but it looks good on paper. these cows are play pretend ceos.

No. 901548

i want the fall out story with reeree and other goffs if there is milk

No. 901568

I’ve seen Avelina post stories showing off items and telling her kids “stop touching it’s mine” and basically rudely sweeping them away when they want her attention. I think she makes a point to post the 30 min a day she actually interacts with them.

No. 901588

I know she was super late paying Drac for her bags. Maybe something similar happened with Reeree?

No. 901598

Yeah I know plenty of stay at home moms who put their kids down in front of the TV all day and spend their time being useless. Being a stay at home mom doesn't automatically make you a rock star who had to sacrifice soo much. Not saying she's like that necessarily, but still.

No. 901613

Not the anon you originally replied to, I just feel the same way and wanted throw my two cents in too.

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No. 901636

Hmm I didn’t know about that. How do they afford their large house and endless hauls if the music school isn’t actually successful? Does the husband have a really good job or something? They honestly act like millionaires.

No. 901647


This is my question too, but I was kind of hesitant to post it because I was worried I might be ignorant of some facts so kind of held my opinion. But seriously, they act like they're sitting on millions of dollars in assets. I mean, are they doing something something on the side to support themselves? Is somebody a trust fund baby, stock market wizard? I am more confused and curious than anything.

No. 901653

To be fair, I teach at a private school, it’s successful financially even though they don’t have a lot of followers on ig. Parents don’t care about this kind of stuff, they just send their kids to lessons. Followers =/= money

No. 901662

Yeah I have a feeling it may have to do with those tacky bags. If that's true with Drac, then it could also be the same for ReeRee and probably Froyo.

Wow. See that's pretty telling though I hope she only does that because she's filming and isn't like that behind the camera towards the kids because that kind of treatment is gonna ruin their self esteem.

Same. Again not dissing on stay-at-home moms or dads but if the kids are going to school for half the day, then there are ways to be productive around the home from the usual grocery shopping, food preparing, and cleaning and it's like the perfect time for the stay-at-home parent to try out self-employment, especially if they're creative. Avelina may actually be productive behind the camera and as much s cow that she is, I would hope that's the case.

Lmao nailed it.

No. 901719

I have very little patience for Dorian's bullshit. But I have to admit, what she described here sounds rough.

No. 901725

I have no idea about Reeree and the others but she also fell out with Kaya. There was some misunderstanding or problem between them and instead of dealing with it Kaya just ghosted her.

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Avelina going thru it, crying on camera and saying she’s not ready to talk about it. Bitch you’ve been talking about you crisis for 2 weeks now.

More images coming

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No. 901751

If she doesn't want to talk about it, maybe she should stop posting about it. Go talk to your family or friends about it then instead of blowing up the Gram.

No. 901765

Jesus. Horseface in a nutshell. Conspicuous consumption and self-involved dramatics. Surely expensive heels will solve this problem.

No. 901767

The drama between horse face and reeree was Tom threads ages back. It was about the bag and then there was a clear falling out. They used to have kid play dates and everything and then nothing.
Kayaks thing was simply a thing of kayak being lazy and horseface knew she wouldn’t make money on someone lazy that couldn’t make up her mind over a bag design. There was some other chick who was her “best friend” and we haven’t seen anything about her in over a year.
Fairly certain everyone sees her for the vain money grabber she is.

She afford the house because her home is basically “out in the country” as reeree once pointed out in her stories. It’s ages away from any of the major cities and land outback here in Aus goes for bloody cheap.

I’m not digging through the threads as I’m at work.

And for everyone saying being a parent is a full time job. It is. But there are those of us that have 2 kids and work as nurses or other shift workers and Australia has a heap of options, plus govt benefits for having kids. She’s lazy and wants to have everything without doing anything. I feel damn sorry for von

No. 901791


What >>901767 said, and you can earn good wages in Aus for blue collar jobs.

>They honestly act like millionaires

What makes anons think they are millionaires? Only Victoria's family has been proven to be very wealthy, though she doesn't seem to have access to their money.

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Not milky, just irritating. Kay just discovered GUNSHIP and bought tons of their stuff and vinyl of course, but now she wants to cover it. Please no. Just because you decided you love a song doesn’t mean you should butcher it.

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this happened and I just couldn't

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this one skinwalked Psychara so much, even her followers made fun of her

No. 901816


K I'm stupid. How is she skinwalking?

No. 901817

She frequently copies psychara's style, just look at her ig.

No. 901820

Who is this?

No. 901821


prepare your eyes for the crappy contouring ._.(._.)

No. 901825

It's contouring and some kind of facetune. I used to like her, now she grosses me out. Only staying for the drama between her, psychara and manic moth.

No. 901832

Is there drama between her and manic mooch? Or is she just backing up psychara?

No. 901844


Supposedly, Annika cut her and catinawitchhat off after they went to Castlefest with Mara earlier this year.

No. 901845

I didn't even realize Avelina was Australian. Never watched her videos except her singing ones.

No. 901886


Yeah it was hard to tell with all the selfies with buck teeth and a couple lbs of highlighter.

It gets hard to tell who is copying who when every "viking witch" looks the same.
Dreads. CHECK
Random runes on your face. CHECK
Layers of oversized dresses. CHECK

No. 901896


Don't forget:

>obligatory crescent moon bindi

>demonia platform boots
>something that says WITCH front and center
>a big ass tankard of alcohol despite being totes vegan and healthy for the goddess

No. 901973

I couldn’t handle any of this mess. Both sides made me cringe so much, and didn’t help much of a cause

No. 901975

Barcroft video about Victoria and her boyfriend Dracul Grotesque.

Also, Victoria Lovelace sounds like a porn name imo.

No. 902010

>>901975 I swear all 'real vampire' types are so cringey. The wall-to-wall Killstar just looks tacky. Extreme metal look makes more sense for 'Dracul Grotesque' and at least he's a better musician than Fake Munro

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Adora has no fucking shame. She's such a narcissistic show off

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The Isa "lovely girlfriend" thread needs to be open again! Close friends with Dorian here. "Lovely gf" aka "Raven 2.0" left him. After Logan/Lydia moved in and they started having an affair, he proved himself to be pliable and controllable so Isa turned her attention to him and starting cutting Dorian out. She thought of Dorian as being toxic because he wasn't interested in a poly relationship and he was happy to be a male. Logan was easily manipulated and strong armed into becoming Lydia. Add the shitty tattoos along with full control and Isa's mask has fully disappeared. She and Dorian somehow got a divorce, they must have lied to rush it because it hasn't been a year, he's out of the picture, and her and Logan are together now. Dorian posts suicidal memes every day, poor kid. It's funny that her poly tendencies have disappeared once she got a hold of a spineless loser she can twist to her liking. Poor Dorian. He just wanted to be loved and he put everything into the wrong person. Isa had no business marrying him if she knew that he wasn't everything she wanted and Logan should just be ashamed of himself all around. Sorry didn't have any where else to post this.

No. 902055

fucking depressing. dorian has had the shittiest life, he gets treated like tissue paper by everyone. does he have US citizenship? he should stay away from his psycho cunt mother but he also needs to get the fuck out of NZ. isa is a genuinely creepy and manipulative person and i don't get why we aren't allowed a thread.

No. 902065

It doesn't usually though. She's had a lot of work done. And that's fine. But don't pass your rockhard plastic tits off as representative of "a 47 year old body."

No. 902067

Nitpick, but hagraven and her orbit have their own thread.

No. 902114


To be honest, i dont Think ord here family money. She is from a small town up north, castle is not up north. I do believe here dad got re-married to the woman who owns the castle maby?

No. 902175

Wow. Victoria is only 30? I legitimately thought she was older.

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No. 902230

She wears so much makeup that you can't really tell. Like Adora.

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Jesus look at their bloated moon faces! Victoria was good looking before she went down the g0ffick rabbit hole.

Dumping Victoria's photos without heavy make up.

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No. 902262

What a shame. She has digressed to looking like a clown instead of an attractive woman. Hopefully she snaps out of it….

No. 902279

this was so cringey, they're many years late on the wannabe vampire trend though i guess it keeps coming around. it's funny that she did this since she edits her face so much for pix, did she not realize ppl would see what she really looks like.

what a twat, making dumb reaction videos to tiktoks isn't "hard work" fake. the most recent one he was shrieking over something that was stupid and not really that funny, or i'm just an oldfag and don't understand what's supposed to be funny. at least he admitted he laughed.

why do you call yourself goth when your spotify playlist outed you for listening to mostly metal and a few other genres, none of which were goth?

No. 902313

I kinda remember watching something about this back in the day. I think it had to due with some error Avelina made when assessing the cost of the bags, which in the end made Reeree have to forfeit her profits, or something like that. Back then, Reeree then posted in instagram or youtube, not sure, about being wary of who you trust etc etc etc, and it was obvious it was about Avelina.

No. 902321

any screenshots from the bag drama?

No. 902376

There goes Mai again, selling braided tshirt scraps for 100$. What an arteest. Such skill.

No. 902418

the problem with this cow is she only chimes into anything that's trending. never seen anyone so desperate to be famous. there's so much reverb on this recording she sounds like she's singing on the toilet. she's so materialistic I can't stand it and the kudos for even being musical just dies when you know she just wants the cash for cheap merch that looks like everything is made in china with a tacky image of her being a munted vampire.

No. 902426

The young girl was on the right track, it's just that when she brought up the pedophile thing. Thar's what ended up hurting her video because to make claims like that with no hard evidence is just not a smart thing to do. Yeah the whole "snacc" thing is cringe but there is no evidence of him actually interacting inappropriately with underage fans, at least that I'm aware of.

No. 902429

Wow I never saw a photo of her wihtout the heavy makeup, she actually looks quite nice.

Eh okay well weird eyebrows aside, nothing really unappealing. I agree with >>902262 about the clown makeup. Like it's possible to look dark without looking like a cartoon character and maybe she'll discover that one day.

> what a twat, making dumb reaction videos to tiktoks isn't "hard work" fake. the most recent one he was shrieking over something that was stupid and not really that funny, or i'm just an oldfag and don't understand what's supposed to be funny. at least he admitted he laughed.

FR anon. Dumb reaction videos to TikTok is not hard work and the viewers won't stay when they get older because i'm more than sure the influx of subs he got were from young teenagers. He doesn't make actual interesting content, he's pretty much like Kaya only offering another low-form of video that isn't crappy haul/unboxing videos.

No. 902454


He was born in the US.

The thread was closed for "vendetta posting" under the previous Admin.


We don't discuss the current lives of Dorian et al in Raven's thread because that's what she wants. Current Admin promised to reveal Raven's posts but never did.

No. 902455

Just as 902114 said. Anna is not Victoria's mother. And Victoria is not of noble birth. Her dad married a woman who bought the castle and it is run as a hotel I think Adora said in a story.
Victoria grew up with her mum in a small town up north of Sweden and only visited it as she spent time with her father. Her mother is not loaded. Just normal.

No. 902461

>She's had a lot of work done.

What else she done? Apart from probably the far too perfect boobs.
You can't just open the milk bottle without spilling the milk!

No. 902478

I still think she's a worthy cow in her own right, and other's agreed. I'd probably have been posting about her if she didn't have her accounts locked down. She started hiding when we saw through her facade and desire to be Raven 2.0. Skin walking that shebeast is the most idiotic thing anyone can consciously do, from copying her tattoos to hooking up with her ex kek

No. 902509

>>Also, Victoria Lovelace sounds like a porn name imo.

Well, that's because it kinda is. Linda Lovelace was very popular for her movie "Deep Throat" in the 70s. Have to think about that everytime I read about Victoria.

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No. 902538

Exactly. I get the same association. Even if "lovelace" is a semi-common name.

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Nice to be reminded that a lot of goth youtubers have more class than Freeza or toxic twat.

No. 902653

Complete tinfoil theory here: Toxic Tears is always complaining about everything being too loud/noisy, is somewhat socially oblivious and I believe her when she says she can't deal with crowds - I wonder if she has Aspergers as well as Herbs? Or maybe she's just such a recluse that she isn't used to sounds and people any more? There's more going on than just her being depressed and too lazy to seek help (although she really is lazy and I'm pretty sure she's depressed even if Fake Munro is just copying hers as an excuse)

No. 902659

Has anyone got milk on the 'poor shaming' she did? The latest belfry network episode roasted her… apparently she did?

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Are we really meant to believe there's no healthy options in Belfast????

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Googled, found as many as in other cities. This for eg.

No. 902704

True. There was also Ada Lovelace who was the first computer programmer but when I hear Lovelace I just think of the porn star.

legit thought she was sucking a dick in that thumbnail at first glance….

No. 902711

You don't need to be autistic to hate crowds and loud noises (lots of people do, including me). She doesn't seem that socially oblivious to me either. It seems like anons are always overly eager to label every cow with autism, I've seen it in so many threads. I guess its possible though.

Other anons have been suggesting she has ADD or ADHD which I think is more likely.

No. 902719

Steaming some greens in a bowl with some noodles isnt difficult Kaya. Her idiocy is unfathomable.

No. 902736

Yes. I was thinking of Ada lovelace. Which might actually be where victoria got the name, because of the oh so dark and romantic lord byron connection. But that might be giving her too much credit.

ADD or ADHD makes sense to me. It often involves extreme sensitivity to stimuli as well. It would also track with her inabillity to focuss on her workload and her cycling through obcessions. It's also underdiagnosed in women.

Just hope she sticks to her plan to get help soon. Because something is wrong with her.

No. 902740

Now that he's basically raking in more money than Kaya and doesn't need her "fame" anymore… Do you think it will be long until he dumps her?

No. 902743

Given her recent actions of deleting videos which got her (deservedly) negative feedback I cant help but feel this is an attmept to garner sympathy…another youtuber eltoria did something similar when she got exposed for scamming her fans.

No. 902785

Doubt it,she's his ticket to living in Barcelona now…in his dreams

No. 902787

I feel like he relies on Kaya (and her mother, probably) a bit too much for practical stuff and ego boosts to dump her for someone more photogenic.
Now if he suddenly announces their newly open poly relationship, I wouldn't be surprised.

No. 902794

Julia posted this video about her ED. It's sad. I think she's a cow, but that doesn't mean she deserves to binge and purge. But also, the fact that for a long time tge only one who knew and supported her was eilleen might explain why Julia is missing so many red flags there.

No. 902795

That is sad and Eileen gives me abusive mom vibes. Also, someone made an entire thread for Julia and Eileen. I don't know why.

No. 902797

Ah. Thanks! I didn't know. Apologies for posting it here.

No. 902798

Week late reply but Dear Lord this was some cringey shit. You can tell this guy (Logan) takes himself super seriously just by the way he talks and his mannerisms. Then Voltaire asked him if he drank blood and he said:

>"I am someone who requires an alternative source of human energy in which to sustain their health and well being and that is the most traditional definition of vampirism when it comes to being a real vampire"

So… yes? His answers are really long and dance around the question. I only made it through 5 minutes of this. And Logan looks like Armoured Skeptic.

>Yes. I was thinking of Ada lovelace. Which might actually be where victoria got the name, because of the oh so dark and romantic lord byron connection.

That makes a lot of sense now that I think about it. I just realized her name is literally Victoria. I wonder if Victoria is even her real name or if it's just a pseudonym she made to sound Victorian. Also, what is it with vampire LARPers and the Victorian era?

>ADD or ADHD makes sense to me. It often involves extreme sensitivity to stimuli as well. It would also track with her inabillity to focuss on her workload and her cycling through obcessions. It's also underdiagnosed in women.

True. And some of those symptoms can be caused by other conditions too like mild psychosis (I don't think she has that though). Better stop now before we both get banned for armchairing lol.

No. 902799

Kaya won't agree to that. She seems incredibly jealous, given how none of the attractive alternativr females in their friendgroup stay around.

No. 902800


No, it's all good. I actually think it's kind of dumb that someone made a thread just for them, being as Eileen and Julia have been discussed here for ages. I'm guessing whoever it was didnt know about the alt cows thread. I also don't think there's enough milk for a whole separate thread.

No. 902801


I watched Kaya/MAG for years and Kaya has never seemed like the jealous type to me, but maybe you know something I don't.

Anyway, you don't have to be "incredibly jealous" to not want a polybullshit relationship.

No. 902807

I mean people like that vox girl just fading into obscurity. And how she used to glare at kelly eden. Though how jake was lusting over the latter was pretty shameless.
And I agree that you don't have to be jealous in order to want monogamy. But if you are very jealous it makes it significantly less likely you would want a poly relationship.

No. 902811


But there's no evidence that's why Vox disappeared, is there? I thought last time I checked Vox had moved to Japan? Maybe that's why she disappeared.

Also they used to have female friends over all the time (Melanie, Sophie) and Kaya didn't seem that jealous. In fact I didn't even notice her being overtly jealous around Kelly Eden, but I wouldn't really blame her anyway because Jake was flirting with Kelly so obnoxiously.

I think maybe their friends disappear because the toxic twosome are shitty friends.

No. 902823

File: 1575690422984.jpg (61.55 KB, 594x436, vox.jpg)

Update: Vox is living in Japan according to her Twitter.

Kaya still follows her.

No. 902825

Well if she actually used some of her laze about time to learning how to cook some nutritional meals, this wouldn't be a problem. There are lots of simple recipes you can find online to make some delicious and healthy food but nope, gotta laze about and bitch about not being able to get things done.


I feel it's getting closer tbh anon. Though >>902785 made a good point that to drop her now would ruin his chances of getting into Barcelona so he's probably gonna hold onto the soon to be dead-weight a little longer until they move and live there for a few months. And the break up is gonna be this big drama amongst them and their fans and Kaya is gonna pull the "I don't want to talk about it" yet post not-so subtle instagram posts that say otherwise.

No. 902827

File: 1575691830093.jpg (321.46 KB, 1280x1707, 865678945678.jpg)

This is a long shot, but does anyone remember in-the-flat-field/six-inch-gold-blade from the tumblr goth days? I've always been super curious about what happened to them. I wouldn't be surprised if e quietly de-transitioned back to female like Izzie Adams/ego-x and pretends the whole thing never happened.

No. 902873


Is she serious? Belfast has one of the most diverse and amazing food options of most Places I've visited, particularly the student areas. Treating Barcelona like some Holy godsend won't make you any less lazy and gluttonous if you move there, Kaya. You'll always pick sweet shit.

Her portions are huge, or is it just me?

No. 902954

Not just you, her portions look like they should be split between two people.

No. 902958

Agreed. And that would be fine if it was all leafy greens and cucumber salad without dressing. But it's not. A lot of the food she shows us isn't unhealthy in itself. She just can't do moderation. And of course she only posts about the relatively healthy stuff.

No. 903047

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Yeh. She’s reeeeeeally craving for those healthy meals. This is her story on the same frigen day. Fried squid, alcohol, can of Fanta and some other side dish.
And she wonders why she can’t lose weight. A big ol bowl of “healthy” fat followed up by fried food.
Good one kaya!

No. 903048

The main thing is that if she was at least active and workout out to burn off the excess calories she takes from these meals, she could stave off a few pounds but nope, she's too sedentary to do that and thus will keep gaining weight as she ages and then it'll really be hard to lose weight by then.

No. 903124

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No. 903125

I feel like she could really benefit from intermittent fasting if she doesn't want to change portion sizes, as long as she doesn't try to cram the same amount of meals in. Though I suppose that requires some sort of discipline.

No. 903146

i agree victoria looks way nicer with her natural face, like manic moth >>888366 and mai magi >>888369. being cute blondes wasn't good enough, they had to be ~extra speshul~ by fucking themselves up with clown alt girl looks. dat amount of insecurity lol, must be pathological

No. 903150

tinfoil but have you seen the thirsty suck up posts lilachris made about jake? i'm sure she'd chase him if he were closer and she is his type. her friend ellie bagged this hot goth boyfriend, it must be eating at her since her dude is a colorless soyboy. and she used to be hotter than her friend, now it's the other way around.

No. 903160

Dirty nails still. She shoukd look at nailbrush sponsorship.

No. 903167

File: 1575772849462.png (1.25 MB, 720x1280, Screenshot_2019-12-06-17-58-36…)

What kind of food even is this? It looks like moose poop..

No. 903168

Olives, looks like?

No. 903170

File: 1575773878157.jpeg (482.89 KB, 1242x2330, D52E7463-FDD9-44C2-B685-79ED4A…)

Avalinas depression/break on social has finally been revealed. she sent an email out

No. 903174

oh that's really sad she miscarried. Is she still with her husband though? I'm confused…

No. 903175

Who knows. But to not have him in the picture means she’s done something. Von is an absolute push over, so I’m waiting to see if she will tell us what really happened since this didn’t just happen

No. 903195

There isn't any evidence that they aren't still together. He may just not be in her stories recently because he is likely grieving too. She's had fertility issues in the past and I believe she had issues conceiving with her two sons.

No. 903197


You don't really get to pick portions sizes at most restaurants so you really can't blame the portions on her. Now, if she ate all of it, that's a different story all together.

No. 903198


That choker looks like it is going to bust off of her neck at any moment.

No. 903256

Shes so public with her private life. Why? Get some self respect.

No. 903275

You don’t miscarriage for over a month. You find out you’ve miscarried and that’s it. Even through public, if she doesn’t have private, will perform the surgery within 2 weeks of finding out the pregnancy has failed. She’s been an emo teen kid for almost a month

No. 903295

That is genuinly sad though. Horseface is a vapid cow, but she still doesn't deserve this.

No. 903346

File: 1575821631601.png (1.5 MB, 1080x2160, Screenshot_20191208-161253.png)

No. 903419

So in this video everyone's favourite dumpy filth goblin…

-mentions blowjobs unprompted, repeatedly.
-feeds chocolate to her ferrets. I don't know if it's as bad for fetters as it is for dogs or cats. But I'm going to assume it's not a great idea.
- says to a fan who is considering getting cheek piercings that they are hard to heal but the scars give you really cute dimples.
- says that her dream job would be a crime scene cleaner. Which I'm sure is very dark and edgy, but also odd considering the constant squalor in which she lives.
- says that dye stains on her skin will "come off in the wash a couple of days after. I'm such a scummy bitch."
- says that face tattoos are her biggest turn on, except uses way grosser language. Is upset that her partner will not get one because he promised his father he wouldn't.
- talks about her first sex toy. Says that she used to test vibrators in the stores by putting them up against her nose, because "if they make you sneeze they're supposed to make you come."
- says she would open up the relationship, but only for sex.
- suggested making an amateur porn video for pornhub because she heard they paid couples 30 grand and "she could get a lot of tattoos for 30 grand." Her husband refused.
- "nikkie hearts" is her favourite porn hub search to masturbate to. Joker porn dissapoints her.
- Her husband doesn't watch porn. She claims not even to watch it when she's horny, but as a stress reliever. Which sounds like a porn addiction red flag. Uses the argument that doctors used to prescribe them to women to relieve "female hysteria" and jokes about faking mental illness to get off. Doesn't seem to care that this was done by people who did not understand the female anatomy and assumed women were inherently crazy, because haha, dildos!

And now, I have a headache and feel like I need a shower. You're welcome.


No. 903436

Thank you for taking one for the team anon

No. 903475

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No. 903515

>Hobgoblin in Barcelona, 2019
>Kat Von D on copy paper

No. 903565

Called it ages ago

No. 903645

Wow. In a few years her daughter's classmates will be old enough to use the internet. Way to go.

No. 903654

I mean I highly doubt it but whatever feeds your ego Kaya

No. 903658

I watched this too anon and was thoroughly grossed out. I'm no prude but this REALLY was unnecessary to talk about and will embarrass her daughter in a few years. I don't know why this bitch revels in being gross, it's not cute or quirky. Hair dye is easy to get off your skin but she just leaves it and fucks off to work like that? It's also very dangerous to feed chocolate to ferrets and can kill them, way to go EB

No. 903762

Not to wk but although a miscarriage itself doesn't take long, it can fuck you up mentally for such a long time. A month is nothing in that situation.

No. 903788

I love how she wanted to make a porn tape for "tattoo money." Not even for an investment in her kid's future, or her own retirement or education. Just more shitty flash tattoos. I fully believe that sex work is work, but come on emily. And expecting her husband to go along with it…

No. 903797

She’s only just miscarried. The 4 weeks before hand had nothing to do with the pregnancy

No. 903920

File: 1575946247236.png (25.31 KB, 441x582, tt.PNG)

what did TT do on tuesday to lose 2k subs? or is socialblade just inaccurate

No. 904019

maybe it was some kind of youtube deleting fake or spam accounts spree?

No. 904020

Yes. Youtube had been deleting dead accounts on that day.

No. 904048

File: 1575986230499.png (1.24 MB, 1080x2160, Screenshot_20191210-135546.png)

No. 904173

It's not happening if she needs his money, like other anons suggested. Jake is broke.

>6 months wait for coffin wallets
>i dont need to apologize because family comes first
Did she just use her dead baby as an excuse for late customer deliveries?!! Right then when you want to pity her she does emotional manipulation out of the narc textbook.

You really took one for the team. Doing porn for shitty tattoos… I'm speechless.

No. 904184

What? Incomplete miscarriages are common and can definitely take over a month to resolve. I'm not one to WK but this is a really shitty thing to say, I hope she doesn't lurk here.

No. 904187

EB is on another site charging $10 for a personalized video kek


No. 904209

File: 1576015168581.png (412.94 KB, 740x824, d4c992e44cde5c22105bf16acce6d6…)

Mummy, Uncle Fester's been at the makeup again

No. 904210

What is the OP gif from? It looks like one of those spergy low budget black metal music videos.

No. 904213

I swear Snowy Lowther gave up being goth and went normie? Now I go to her channel and she’s goth again and the videos I saw are gone.

No. 904219

It's savage that you anons are stalking them in Barcelona.

No. 904220

Nothing says "mysterious creature of the night" like having your neck ooze into your torso.

No. 904222

I remember that too Anon. Though I haven't seen any of her stuff in ages.

No. 904227

It's a still from a video that Kaya just uploaded. This one in fact. They have friends in it and everything.

No. 904235

File: 1576020220779.jpg (22.36 KB, 198x450, frumpymakeover.jpg)

The yellow press published an article about Lilachris' store and it's cringeworthy af:

>They worship the devil and slaughter animals in the cemetery: There are many prejudices about the Gothic scene. Most of them, however, come from old superstition.

>"What I wear is not a costume for me. I do not dress up. This clothing shows who I am ", clarifies Christin Leibing (29). She is one of the owners of the goth shop "Nyctophilia" in the street Landwehr and will turn me (the reporter) today into a real goth.

>Her colleague Elisabeth Unger tells me that the 29-year-old needs about 2 hours in the morning for her complete look including make-up. I calculate, when I would have to get up every day before work and I feel a bit scared.

>A quick glance and Leibing has captured exactly what things could stand me. "Something romantic would be good. A dress, perhaps. "She holds a ruffled dress with bows collar and long sleeves under my nose. I can accept that.

>For this she chooses a velvet leggings with crescent-shaped slits on the legs and a belt with matching pendants. In general, accessories for the right gothic outfit seem to be very important. Another bag is needed and a hairband with horns.

>Gothics in Hamburg: All Satanists? Not even close! "Many people have prejudices and make silly sayings on the street or believe we are Satanists," says Christin Leibing. "We also have fun going to parties and we do not necessarily have anything to do with religions like Satanism."

>As a teenager, she herself had a rather "pink" phase and only later discovered the so-called "black scene" through metal music. The similar taste in music is the connecting element of many gothics. "Not every goth has the opportunity to make-up in the office or in everyday life and to dress as he wants. Nevertheless, they are all part of the scene.

photo is the reporter after goth make over

No. 904252

Oh. Reading that actually made me uncomfortable because of the level of cringe.

No. 904282

The whole text is god damn awful. She made it all about herself, her friend who owns half of the shop isn't allowed to talk unless it's about HER 2hrs worth of make up. Then she put the newspaper woman into this dumbass poser outfit with shitty horns and she's so proud to have this dumpster fire published for the world to see.

>but gothics aren't satanists

>they ALSO have fun going to parties
>does it mean we do worship the devil and slaughter animals in the cemetery for the rest of the day or what?
>also gothics listen to metal music
>and wearing horns is gothic fashion

Fuck off for fuck's sake!

No. 904327

That screenshot is from a video filmed in Belfast.

No. 904329


I know she's joking more with the guyfriend than engaging Jake as he's filming but she was having so much more fun with him.

No. 904335

Makes sense. He's not either ignoring or actively negging her. Which is a lot better than stumpy blobfish ever manages. She just responds well to being treated like a person.

No. 904388

Haven't heard Snowy Lowther in a minute. honestly it seems like ever since Angela did that response video to her, she'd kinda fallen out of Goth. I'm even starting to question if she even was one. I know she likes the Cure but has she ever actually talked about any other Goth bands that weren't them or Siouxsie? It just feels like she's another Kaya in the sense of thinking dressing in black and dark makeup makes her Goth only Snowy is not a gluttonous laze-about since she actually has ambition with her personal life and does things.

Anon I curse you but at the same time am thankful that you shared this hot trash. Not even a mention of actual Goth music in it, just goFFIck clothes and of course, Metal music. Hey Fake Munro would fit right in lol. The reporter doesn't even look like a Goth. No hate but "goth" isn't the thing that comes to mind when I see this picture or Lilachris and her cohorts for that matter.

No. 904429

File: 1576064217628.png (777.67 KB, 825x556, amber.png)

Kaya' friend Amber is a pretty successful artist.
she's gone work for gamegrumps and Jhonen Vasquez but honestly what is her deal? is she autistic? she never brushes her hair..ever.
she acts like a child
I can understand why her and kaya would get a long to be honest.
I wonder how it feels for kaya and jake to be surrounded by two successful people in the goth community

No. 904432

Maybe you're thinking of her separate "ASMR" channel, some anon posted that on the previous thread I think- but I also remember some normie videos from her that definitely weren't in the other channel. I can't be arsed to go skim her channel for those loool

No. 904496

These aren't even g0fFick clothes. It's like somebody's eccentric aunt did >>901896 and gothic lolita and weird sailor moon cosplay at the same time.
How could this get any more comical… oh wait
"we do not necessarily have anything to do with religions like Satanism"
>religions like satanism
I'm fucking crying

No. 904497

What kind of work did Amber do for Jhonen Vasquez? Who do you mean by two successful people?

No. 904574

That reporter looks like Lauren Southern.

No. 904601

File: 1576107612483.gif (927.86 KB, 396x274, u6oEQcu.gif)


That's none other than Rob Lowe as The Beholder in his spergy low budget black magic video on SNL's Goth Talk.

Hush! Can you hear the raven?


My other fave eps are Jeff Goldblum as Count Feedback


Sarah Michelle Gellar as Countess Cobwella


and Christina Ricci as Hezebaia of the Dust


No. 904607

Oh man. That takes me back…

No. 904608

File: 1576109368475.jpg (263.56 KB, 1080x1182, 20191212_010634.jpg)

Most people would focus on the nice holiday, rather than whinging about having to go home and get back to work.

No. 904638

Omg its layers upon layers of tragic. Why do people wear horns and pentacles with moon insignia and call that goth? Just wear normal clothes and focus on the music. Its embarrassing!

No. 904642

File: 1576116854731.jpg (23.41 KB, 579x109, wahwahwah.jpg)

watch her find reasons to either not make videos or put out subpar ones.

also i like how she still finds a way to bitch about the lack of sun/daylight hours. [it's not witner yet either ffs.] how about get up earlier and spend less time getting dressed ~gothy~, especially when you just bitch about not getting any "cute" pictures of your outfit.

No. 904696

haha these were hilarious, thanks for sharing. wish they had more of these skits.

No. 904736

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They are such accurate altcow archetypes. Every time I watch IBF I'm reminded of [gif related].

The fb page has the rest of the eps except for


No. 904753

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Kaya found this boar's head in a trash pile on the side of the street and just decided to take it home.
who wants to bet she does nothing to clean it and just throws it into her pile of shit in her living room

No. 904756

a great way to get bedbugs

No. 904764

She claims to love animals yet brings this thing home with her that was most likely killed in a hunt.But "aesthetic".

No. 904767

I'm all about sustainabillity. But jesus, some things you just leave in the trash.

No. 904795

What does one have to do with the other? It was already fucking dead, so instead of just letting it rot in a dump, she brought it home to give it a new life. Nothing wrong with that.

No. 904800

NTA, but if you really don't understand and you're pretending to be thick, it's the ethics behind the animal head. Same way ivory isn't something you'd want to own (?) because of the barbarity involved in acquiring it.

There's probably a good reason it was thrown out. It'll be a magnet for carpet beetles.

No. 904813

No1curr about my personal morals but YIKES

No. 904816

That dead boar's company would be preferable to the one she already lives with. It won't talk shit with a fake American accent at least.

No. 904831

Except it’s really not because wild boars are not endangered like elephants, so acquiring this head second hand is morally sound. It was probably hunted for its meat and then the head put to decorative use instead of being discarded. Sustainability.

No. 904832

Then you’re not all about sustainability. Unless the head was rotting or infested (in which case yeah, throw it out), leaving it to go to a dump when you have an interest in oddities is just wasteful.

No. 904833

Newsflash- you can love animals and collect oddities. “It was hunted” - unless you’re vegan, do you know how your meat is prepared? The animals live in torture and squalor their whole lives just to be slaughtered in a horrible way. When you hunt (and a boar like that would last a family 6 months), you know the animal had a free life and the death is quick.

I honestly think there’s nothing at all wrong with getting a second hand boars head that was perhaps hunted gasp
Hate to WK, but Kaya did nothing wrong here

No. 904835

I dunno man. I own secondhand taxidermy and furniture I took off the side of the road. But I'd be taken aback by dumpster diving for taxidermy or anything with fur, fabric, or upholstery. It's usually not a good idea because many of the critters living in the trash can settle in there. Usually I'd say stuff it in the freezer for a few days and it should be okay. But I don't think she'll be able to manage with that big thing.

No. 904837

Even some vegans don't have a problem with thrifted or found oddities. But I completely agree that Kaya is morally in the right here. She wasn't involved in getting the boar killed. Her taking it home won't make it any deader, and her having left it won't undo the fact that it was hunted. If anything, this way it doesn't go to waste.
I have a lot of reservations about the hygiene of what she did. But I think ethically it's absolutely fine.

No. 904843

I'm sure she respects the boar for what it did and for providing her with a prop for her yt uploads.

No. 904847

It's not about "respecting the boar" any more than you would "respect" your shoes or a chair or your phone. It's about not harming any animals by taking that head. If anything, it's good that she's reusing decor rather than buying new stuff which would have required additional resources to make.

If you want to call Kaya out for being a hypocrite, focuss on her eating meat or flying to barcelona several times a year or creating a huge synthetic fabric hoard.

Like I said, the hygiene aspect of this makes me cringe. But she's not harming anyone or anything.

No. 904865

oh yes! they were so accurate about freya, victoria and many others. somebody needs make parody skits about alt cows, i'd pay to watch.

imagine the reaction if the pope said we catholics ~do not necessarily~ have anything to do with activities like fiddling kids. sheeesh this girl is so stupid. her defensive answer made it so much worse.

i agree it's embarrassing. she can't be arsed find normal work because she needs to look ~goffick~ 24/7, but she barely listens to gothic music from what i saw in her instagram stories. imo she's actually clueless and doing it for attention.

kaya just got herself parasitic pests for pets to live in her musty hoard pile, yiiikes!

No. 904905

Is this chick serious? How are her regular boring ass Haul or Unboxing videos "Fun"? She's deluding herself and plus, no. She's just going to go back to the routine of lounging and occasionally farting out low-effort unboxing video while whinging on Instagram.

Agreed anon. I mean I do like horns and moon insignias but these things don't make you Goth but of course Lilachris and the others of her ilk will think it's the Goffest thing ever lol.

No. 905074

This is what I was thinking. If you find something nice in the trash there's probably a REASON it's in the trash. And I wonder how she plans to take it home? It's not gonna fit in her luggage.

Lmao, ouch.

No. 905113

Lmao folk are so dumb. Its ok because the boar is already dead?

What kind of logic is that? So if an animal has already been killed its ok to exploit its carcas for decoration?

No. 905115

I hope the boar gives Kaya crabs

No. 905120

Not if you kill the boar for decoration or any other reason. But if you find it, and have in no way contributed to it dying, I don't see the problem.

No. 905135

Can the retarded vegans with too much privilege, fuck off already?
Stay on topic. Which is NOT what to/not to do with animal that tt didn’t kill

No. 905137

File: 1576241150609.gif (847.23 KB, 480x366, oh_dear_god.gif)


Inb4 she joins our other taxidermy cows.

No. 905491

I'm boared…. get it? Seriously this thread is stale.

No. 905504

Then bring on the milk instead of the puns.

No. 905544

File: 1576331710841.png (9.75 MB, 1242x2688, ED60B5DF-ECAF-4016-98F0-9B402D…)

I know not milk, but Erin Micklow thinks she is so creative. Her mercy “shop” is the same old shit and everything she calls custom just got bleach sprayed on it, how original. Really think Joe is gone too, tons of shots of the house that seems more empty. Also while we are at it, every photo and makeup look is THE SAME. I can’t.

No. 905762

this is pretty cringe though b/c she just poured some bleach on an already existing shirt and goes on with her "made by me" bs which is annoying. like she wants ppl to buy this but also shills for dollskill as if they've not been called out for a bunch of shit.

and yea, she's got a serious case of same face but tries to push herself as an actor. i saw a movie she was in and didn't even know she was in it until after the fact b/c she's that boring and forgettable. if she didn't go round to gigs with the spikey hair and punkmart look, no one would know who she is. /rant

No. 905849

Not that I don't agree with you but what do you do when you have a kid? Do you have to stop doing and saying anything that has the potential to offend or shock anyone just in case your kids acquaintances might see things that they might not like?

I mean, people are pretty prudish in this thread, in the boards in general but Idk man, not talking about sex pubicly in a casual way like she does is not really a stain on your life's legacy, it's not like "omg have you seen jane doe's mother? She's in the kkk/racist/thief/whatever"

Gross? Sure! But meh… a lot of kids will have parents who overshare in the internet in the near future

No. 905873

The thing is though, it's not just talking about sex. That's fine. I don't think that's something we shouldn't be having a clear dialogue about. It's not the 1950s. But emily talks specifically about what turns her on and her masturbatory habits to a general audience who did not sign up for that. It's not like she's making informative videos or sharing this with a select target audience.

No. 905907

File: 1576420738111.jpg (242.43 KB, 1080x2340, Screenshot_20191215_143717_com…)

"Please stop calling me fat"

No. 905921

File: 1576423400976.jpg (405.07 KB, 1074x1833, SmartSelect_20191215-150958_Fa…)

from his Facebook it looks like they're still together

No. 905922

File: 1576423504484.jpg (412.76 KB, 1080x1332, Screenshot_20191215-152435_Chr…)

Anyone know what pick it was?

No. 905925


Let’s see if it changes to “it’s complicated” or whatever people post on fagbook when they’re having issues.

No. 905929

File: 1576425391541.jpg (444.16 KB, 1080x1584, Screenshot_20191215_155151.jpg)


Maybe this one? None of the photos with the hip belt were very flattering.

No. 905936

I thought maybe that one.Lose the hip belt and swap the new rocks and it could have been nice.

No. 905941

File: 1576428989618.gif (3.46 MB, 408x240, welp.gif)

>Deceptively big
Keep kidding yourself Kaya

No. 905951

Lol I love how she’s shooped her head so tiny. Delusional is perfect and clearly her fragrance of choice

No. 905961

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No. 905968


She hasn't shooped her head. It is just tiny in comparison to her 250 lb body.

No. 905987

"Punkmart" lol Nice.

So it's more about how much she shares, like going into hard specifics. I can understand that. I don't think talking about sex is bad but it's usually when you get into hard specifics that can make the talk get a little weird if your content is not centered on that particular subject.

No. 905989

Eugh… She's not very good at color coding. Maybe it's just preference but I just don't think the gold works with that look. I agree with >>905936 though, if she just ditched the belt and the new rocks, it could've looked nicer.

Lol yeah, she needs to just accept her reality and that if she takes photos of herself highlighting her fatness and posting it on public sites, she's gonna hear things she may not want to hear.

No. 906074

File: 1576455187116.png (4.59 MB, 1242x2688, D6A9EEA5-5598-463F-8954-30B767…)

Erin and Joe seem to def be over

No. 906226

Apart from the overall cringe brought on by this "witchy" bullshit, I can't help but feel like the "toxic people" mara talks about banishing are Mai and Manic Mooch.

No. 906415

Von is from Berlin? Is he German?

No. 906452


I kind of empathize with her a little because, as shitty as the drama was between them, she seems to be the one carrying the most guilt/sadness about it? Mai and Annika continue to pat themselves on the back while Mara just seems…like she’s just hanging on the periphery being lowkey.

No. 906537

Imho somehow she genuinely cared about them as friends although they were just parasitic grifters using her for clout. I really want her to release the dirt she has on them. It would be such a feast.

No. 906545

Wtf she said
>write down toxic people's names and burn them
>but you shouldn't wish death upon someone
Freudian slip spotted.

No. 906594

Does anyone here follow Onision/Lainey? I've only just noticed the parallels between them and Jake/Kaya, minus the pedophilia and child grooming.

Kaya aka Plainey - boring, no real interests or personality, lazy, can't come up with any creative videos, just wants everything handed to her

Jake aka Onision - extremely narcissistic, can't take criticism, thinks highly of his average-below average looks and body, backtracks and flip flops a lot ("hates goth" now claims to be one, "hates halloween" now likes it, etc), clearly isn't into Kaya anymore and very likely treats her poorly, and talks overly sexually on his SM knowing his fans are underaged

No. 906630


That outfit is horrifying. I don't know why Kaya insists on exposing her podgy midriff and then cry about it. She just has no idea how to dress for her body.

No. 906643

>boring, no real interests or personality, lazy, can't come up with any creative videos, just wants everything handed to her

That's a lot of youtubers tbh.

The stuff you said about Jake is true, but I think it would be a stretch to say that Jake will ever be as bad as Greg. I think Jake will more likely be the next Social Retard.

No. 906652

Jake is very short and ugly IRL. Walked past him and the Kaya plenty of times around Belfast. SR has height going for him and can actually sell tickets to his shows. Jake had an ego attack and quit his band and they couldn't even get gigs anyway.

Jake is a narcissist. He speaks in a put on accent and is pretentious and constantly comes across as looking down on others. Being that obnoxious could be mistaken as confidence for unsocialised retards but I don't think Jake will ever have considerate clout. It's why he has to stay as a double act with Kaya. And Kaya is too depressed to be a competent YouTuber. Doubt they'll be living in Barcelona anytime soon, I doubt they've any savings.

No. 906682

Where did Jake say he has quit his band?

No. 906730

It's mostly because she still dresses like she would if she were slim. She really should look at tutorials on how to dress for her new body, there are fashionable ways to dress for a bigger body.

Gotta agree with this. Jake is a narcissistic parasite but he's not as bad as Onision. The only way he'd ever get there is if he coerces his fans to do "things" for him but that hasn't happened and most likely never will. I think grouping him with Social Repose is the better angle. They're not monsters, just attention-whoring assholes.

No. 906742

In a recent update video. Something about "wanting more creative control." So he probably threw a little bitchfit when his bandmates didn't always want to do his sad sad bidding. Wonder if any of those guys has any tea to spill.

Or possibly they were done with his mediocre musical abillity and giant ego, and dumped him. But he claims to have left of his own free will. I can see either scenario being true.

No. 906749


What's the issue with Social Repose? Never watched or followed him. I only know about the controversy of him wearing a indigenous headdress.

No. 906786

Social Repose was known for being another person who called himself a Goth when he didn't listen to Goth music. He was pretty much just using the word to get clicks/views and he was just the deifnition of a poser before Jake came in and started doing the same thing. That's really it, nothing more. Aside from the controversy anyway where he's a serial cheater but I think that's more of a different can of worms.

No. 906789

It was the way he treated Jaclyn Glenn. Like the other anon said he was a serial cheater. If you wanna know more you can watch the video that Jaclyn made crying about it (called 'I'm such an idiot' I think), and then Ritchie's god awful response video. I hate Jaclyn but even I could see what a piece of shit Ritchie is. He is like Jake in that he tags all his videos with goth this, goth that etc but has nothing to do with the actual music/subculture and just uses the label 'goth' to get attention.

>jake is a narcissist
And Ritchie isn't?

Not surprising. He named "his" band after himself too lmao. Clearly he wanted all the credit for every thing they produced.

No. 906801

Aw, so no big tour in Norway then like he said at one point? lol

No. 906838

Jake talks about ending the band here. The actual explanation starts at about 7 minutes in. The rest is just him complaining about seasonal depression.

His stated reasons for ending the band sound like a huge fuck you to his bandmates.

No. 906968

Jake stated in the video above that he is continuing to do an audio readings of "Interview with a Vampire" for patreons..shocked he is continuing to get away with this, the book is in copyright and Anne Rice is a living author and she has the reputation of being very protective of her work. I guess Jakes "audiobook" is unfortunately flying under her/ her publisher's radar for now?

When discussing his bandmates Jake comes off a completely entitled dick as per usual. He states they have musical expertise he doesn't and he loves their contributions ..but it doesn't work for him cos he wants to be a solo act and he seems annoyed he needs Conner's help to do " electronic metal"..hmmm I think he doesn't want to have to share any CD sales profits with him/them. I think he expected them to work for free they said f off.

No. 906972

None of these people are worth bothering. Still bored.

No. 907012

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No. 907042

Ooh Kaya, isn't that elitist gatekeeping? Lol.

No. 907091

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Tell me if I'm wrong - but this is Mr BatBrat, right?
Both looks like they have fun

No. 907139

That does overly look like him but who knows. However, those two won’t get back together

No. 907150

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No. 907196

Is…. Is she implying being goth has to do with the music? Rrrrreeeeeeeeee

No. 907200

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They were at the badminton court, as 2 of 3 kids I belive plays badminton….
Co-parenting you know.

No. 907206

For once, Itsblackfriday made what I feel is a semi-creative video.

No. 907209

It was a sponsored vid. That’s the only reason she made a video because she has a sponsor

No. 907411


Now Psychara's skinwalkers are even doing the same videos. Even mentions the same burning ritual, albeit briefly.

No. 907413

Even though it was sponsored, at least it was something different and not another boring try-on video. I get what you mean anon, if she didn't have a sponsor she most likely wouldn't have done the video but at the very, it was somewhat creative.

She always references that one song but it doesn't change that she only posts this because she knows people outside her fanbase don't think she's a Goth.

No. 907473

She only listens to two sisters of mercy songs (Marian and Lucretia, my reflection) and a handfull of Siouxsie songs. For someone who doesn't believe you have to listen to goth music to be goth she sure likes mentioning those two easily googled artists a lot.

No. 907557

the army of psychara clones lol. thb the amount of skinwalkers who want to be her are creepy. it's as creepy as lilachris' obvious ass sucking to manicmooch.

No. 907576

Ain’t she that one girl with the Megadeth shirt making Onion videos? The shirt stood out for me

No. 907592

>>907557 I can understand the appeal of the style but jesus christ people get some originality. There's inspiration and then there's just straight up copying, I'd be freaked out if I was Mara.

No. 907600

True and it's mostly because she doesn't like how a lot of Goths don't consider her an actual Goth and that she and her boyfriend are just posers in the actual sense of the word.

What >>907592 said. I don't care for Psychara but her dark witchy forest look was certainly different at the time and it's not surprising that it inspired others but to be inspired to the point of skinwalking is just sad.

No. 907615

She doesn't seem to mind though. She actively surrounds herself with skinwalkers in her vlogs. Probably to show Mai and Manic mooch that she doesn't need them.

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No. 907638


I felt sketched out skimming through some of her videos. She even copies Mara’s mannerism. Ugh.

No. 907665


LOL The tree is twice the height of stumpy Jake

No. 907679

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Yeah, might be him.
They will never get back together! He is butt ugly now, and Adora likes pretty boys we've seen.
His Instagram avatar lol

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Clearly that’s all thanks to Patreon cause she doesn’t make shit on YouTube.

No. 907698

Santa's reject elf. Too chubby to get down the chimmny

No. 907701

So in his latest video Ruadhan is talking about Trisha Paytas and her claiming to be trans. On the one hand I respect that as a trans man, he has a valuable perspective. But much as he can't take Trisha seriously, I can't take him as seriously as perhaps I should. He always tries to create drama and garter attention by commenting on the controvesies of bigger youtubers.
Also couldn't get through the actual video, because he insists on being n as ked. Whenever he bends over he shows off his fat ass and it really isn't helping him come across as the voice of reason.

No. 907718

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His reddit is such a guilty pleasure goldmine.

No. 907736

is psychara anorexic? everyone calls her anachan

No. 907756

I might be wrong as I don't keep up on her, but isn't her name Anita?

No. 907825

Her name is Mara. Unless that’s a fake name.

No. 907828

Like the other anon said, her name is Mara. You might be thinking of manic moth whose name is Annika.

No. 907855

YES! Years before altcows discovered him he was already on my radar because of the r/goth subreddit

No. 907857

We have no reason to assume so. She flaunts being skinny a lot. But that's it. And I think thetr's one anon who calls her anachan but just posts a lot.

No. 907870

Not sure how anyone can mske it through an hour of Ruadhan. I could barely tolerate a few minutes.

No. 907872

Psychara should be freaked out, but judging by her past choice of friends she is too stupid to pick someone normal. People in their right mind wouldn't be BFFs with Mai Magi and her stooge Manic "Blackface" Moth.

That tree is a reject like Jake. Ugly and fake as fuck.

No. 907874

She never admitted being ana or was caught purging. MM said in the past she was ana.

No. 907876

MM as in Mai Magi or Manic Moth? Also I'm sorry for misunderstanding, were they stating that Psychara was ana? Or that they themselves are ana?

No. 907897

These witchy foresty viking fake goths are the most uninteresting people there are, I don't even understand why we discuss them. So they are fake woke, some are not friends anymore and some are rich-y. Got it.

No. 907944

To be fair, he doesn't look too bad for a 50-something year old. Dudes hair is thinning but that's the downside to being a man.
I wonder who spilt it, himself or Adora. She really seemed to love him but I remember in an old post on her ask.fm where she said she would find a new, cuter boy if her husband got old and ugly…

No. 907979


The endless discussion on Kaya’s moaning and groaning and Jake’s stumpy legs isn’t that interesting either.

No. 908001

I wonder if it was Kaya that was made to tidy up one corner of their hoard for this photo (it actually looks like a relatively nice room in this photo!) for Fake Mumro to take the pic. I can't imagine Fake getting his hands dirty doing actual chores, at least Kaya's vaguely practical when she gets off her butt. Their tree is so unevenly decorated, it's only salvaged by the Christmas lights and dark room. Wtf happened to the tree topper

No. 908003

Hah, Jake looks like such a dwarf next to the tree! And no wonder the decorating is shit - he did it.

No. 908034

shudder.com is only available in America and other channels like Stargirl TPW have also been sponsored by them. Freya is out of touch and desperate for income.

No. 908041

manicmoth used to be anorexic.

not only fake woke, manicmoth and maimagi have barely hidden alt-right and tradthot tendencies.

No. 908093

i remember in a video he mentioned wanting to tidy the house but couldn't and didn't give a reason but made it seem like kaya was holding him back from doing it. who knows with those two, she organized the attic and he usurped it for photos and now it seems like neither use it, unless she's posting pics of that fucking skeleton.

where's all the content from their barcelona trip? kaya posted some pics and fake put up nothing, real creative boost for them.

No. 908100

If it’s only available in America, how is she watching it then?

No. 908108

we've been over this. there just isn't that much real milk. you're welcome to bring new cows or find milk instead of just bitching.

No. 908121


I apologize if my Kaya comment came off as dry ass bitching - that wasn’t my intention. Like you said, there really isn’t a lot of good milk, but everytime we discuss anything but Kaya and IBF, people complain.

No. 908122

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He is 50? Well, yes, then might be OK. But think Adora was the one making him beautiful. I saw them on Mera Luna years ago and he was hot!
Stole this from Facebook. From this summer. He looks so empty somehow

No. 908124

What kind of stuff was he saying on r/goth? Were they cringe posts?

I've gotta agree. These three are pretty much nobodys outside of the alt scene and are not goths so they aren't relevant to Goth. They're just snooty girls who think they are more important than they actually are. Contribute nothing interesting.

Not surprising, she hasn't done a video in like a month since that one and her depression video and she may be losing patrons due to how inactive she is so gotta fart out something for some money.

No. 908126

To be fair though, I'm more than sure that Adora actually looks her age when not wearing 3 tons of makeup on her face.

No. 908127

Understandable. There isn't much going on and until something happens like IBF tries another scam or Kaya & Jake do another stupid thing, there's not much to talk about.

No. 908147


I have to agree. We've hit a wall with the milk. All of the people pn this thread are all attention seeking nobodies and talking about them is getting so stale. Its not about new cows its just dumb. We all know TT is a loser and she'll never change with her small little universe of arrested development and her imbecile fake tard. IBF is pretty much the for same and last years news…. They're just NOT worth spitting on.

No. 908150


Maybe it’s a sign of the times, maybe we are getting too old for this, maybe it is just harder to find milky people on the internet. I’ve often wondered this because we’ve had some great times here.

No. 908242

We could bring in Jude bishop. Someone made her a thread for no reason I can see (it's in the op description) but it it used, and it was agreed there that when it maxes out she'll be brought here.

But i agree nobody's that milky now because we've dug up the main stuff. However i di think Jake and kaya's relationship is something of a ticking clock, as is IBF and Mr owl.

No. 908248

That may be but until Jake leaves Kaya for one of his fan-girls or IBF ditches Mr Owl for a new Visa husband, there's just not much to go on for now.

To be fair, there were all kinds of other alt cows back then that brought something different from Dre Ronayne's and Hello Batty's poserdom to SebastianColumbine with her "I'm not a woman" crap to Dr and so on lol.

No. 908253

I made the post you're replying to, and I agree, who cares that Kaya is fat and badly dressed at this point? It's been literally years since there isn't any milk of her. Both she and jake are not the most interesting people but at least jake still kinda shocks me with his recent re-try at being goth, we laugh… the foresty goths, not so much, they basically exist there while playing viking pagan naturey dress up

Now THAT is interesting, tell us more…

Awfully sensitive aren't we? Since when making a comment about in a forum where we basically just comment shit is bitch? As long as it is saged, it's okay. It's a discussion board

It's not that, I'd love new cows and new dramas, it's just that these people are just not interesting

Not all cringey, no. He is a regular, discusses things, specially music (he knows his shit) but if you've seen his videos you know how he's like… so he goes all the way in any petty argument, lasting forever. To be honest, if you don't click any of the style posts, there are interesting discussions and good advice on music

Nah, IBF and mr owl will be together for a long time now, I bet. There is literally no other option at this point for her, and I think that's what she should do

It doesn't count as exactly alt by these thread standards but I reccomend Julia Zelg's milk nowadays, shit is wild, that's the kinda milk I wish we had here

No. 908257

Samefag to add that we did had some new cows who sound promising but then just disappeared or are barely cited:
Erin Micklow, who is seriously pathetic
Father Sebastian with all that vampirism took seriously, plus his creepyness
We had that crazy bitch who was always naked and fucking men while her kid waited. Forget her name… She was really crazy

Avelina's drama was a breath of fresh air too, talking of which, pic attached is a song she wrote, posted 2 weeks ago on instagram. Wtf is happening? Is it me or does it sound like she's thirsting over a new guy?

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(Im a stupid fuck, sorry)

No. 908268

I personally blame cowtipping for some of this, same with the Kelly Eden thread. We know Jake lurks here, he probably googles himself and would have found this thread anyway, but I know for a fact people send them links to here and then they stop acting cow-ish.

Julia Zelg/Eileen had been discussed here forever and then some newfag went and made a whole separate thread for them.

Pretty sure you're thinking of Kady Rae. That might have been a selfpost though. Not sure what ever happened to her.

No. 908289


I wonder if the trans drama mongers (Ruadhan and Dorian) are going to start drama about KaiDecadence. I’m surprised Ruadhan hasn’t since both him and Kai frequent r/goth and Kai is openly trans critical on reddit.

No. 908295

I don't know if the initial mention of Kady Rae was a self post or not, but it was confirmed by an admin that later posts were submitted by none other than Raven Sparks herself kek

No. 908351

It might have been posted by Raven but the milk was way more interesting than "manic moth don't talk to viking jane doe anymore!!2 can you believe it? AND Kaya is fat!!1!"

Idk, but I think this time Raven actually found a good cow hahahah

Eh, I just blame googling themselves. But it's kinda part of the job of being youtuber/influencer that you take what people say about you in consideration and try to be as neutral as possible, so isn't it kinda good that the threads make them act less cow-ish?

I'm here since thread 2, Julia was briefly mentioned some times because of her bad singing and cringeworthy attempt at a pop music carreer and fucking old ladies but it wasn't something we got too deep into. What is happening now is so bizarre, the milk never stops flowing even for a minute, I agree that they should have their own thread. People are discussing everything about them, trying to find out the truth about Eileen's past… if we had it here, people would be complaining and saying that it deserves its own thread. There's also a Pull thread and a subreddit!

Yes! I gotta say that Kai being transphobe really surprised me because for the longest time I thought he was a trans woman. As for Rhuadan, I think he's kinda crazy but neither of them are cows. Rhuadan's behaviour reminds me of Emily boo (also the appearance, hadn't thought of that kek), but she is just cringey…

Something I realised is that some years ago for one to be a cow they just had to display outrageous behavior online, now we take into consideration if they have a following to qualify. The fake vikings clan is a good example: they're only discussed because they have a following, there is absolutely no milk there, ever!
Are we just discussing influencers, no matter what they do or are we looking for people who do/say outrageous shit and maybe have like 5k followers tops?

No. 908352

To be fair, ruadhan has been accused of sexual harrassment. And though a lot of the stuff he said about IBF was true, he also accused her of racism without providing any proof. That's pretty cow-ish.

No. 908364

>It might have been posted by Raven but the milk was way more interesting than "manic moth don't talk to viking jane doe anymore!!2 can you believe it? AND Kaya is fat!!1!"
What milk? "Kady Rae, who isn't even goth and her only 'alternative' trait is having a lot of terrible tattoos, keeps oversharing/ outright lying about how many people she fucks online"?

No. 908387

>isn't it kinda good that the threads make them act less cow-ish?

No. I want the entertainment.

Besides, they probably don't actually stop acting cow-ish, they probably just stop showing it on social media.

Hahaha. I didn't know that. I wonder why Raven did that. But I agree with the anon, Kady isn't really alt other than having tattoos.

No. 908450

This is ALT cows, not goth cows. And yeah, being an outrageously bad parent, saying stupid shit because she clearly thinks she's way more than she actually is is pretty funny. More than "kaya fat! Jake fake! Where's IBF?"
Whats your point?

Oooooh! I want this milk. Yeah, you convinced me, he's a cow

Oh that's not what I meant, I want to see milk too, it was more in sense of "better for them"?

So, does this whole discussion mean that the thread is accepting suggestions for new alternative cows? It would be a breath of fresh air to say the least.

How about the Proserpina? She photoshops her face like she has a syndrome or something and started a makeup brand that tries to rip off kat von d. We used to talk about her

Maybe goth drama is dead now that everyone stopped using tumblr… remember deathrockets, patsy marian, eris anageini, etc? Those were the days for drama…

No. 908454

No. 908534


Ruadhan sexually harrassing people: >>897798
Also the IBF accusations are made in the video he made about her that went semi-viral.

No. 908550

Avelina's song is a cringefest.
>you taste like freedom and sunshine
>from a fine italian crimson wine
She has zero talent, neither in singing nor in song-writing.

Can you post a summary about Proserpina?

The fake vikings clan was discussed because they refused to explain their milky fall-out to the public. Their hardly profitable businesses are also milky, for they don't impress anyone but their teenage following. It's really pathetic to have families/boyfriends pay for their lifestyle when they could actually find proper work to pay for themselves.

No. 908552

Not to mention Manic Mooch and her tax fraud legal troubles and Mai's fishing for patreon donations and claiming to be a starving artist after she bought a house worth more than half a million. Plus Mai upselling thrifted clothing at an insane markup. That isn't just a little annoying, but pretty scammy.

No. 908560

Yes it's alt cows, but there's nothing really alt about Kady to my knowledge other than having a lot of tattoos and plenty of other cows (Kelly Eden, Vicky Shingles, Skye Purdon etc) are heavily tattooed and not considered alt. That being said I wouldn't complain if we brought back Kady, the milk has been so dry lately.

I feel like there should be more metalhead cows, seems like metal heads (especially the black metal ones) are some of the spergiest people in existence.

No. 908573

You are the future, you know that? Yes, we are focusing too much on goth women, we should find some crazy wannabe edgy black metal guys, everyone knows the type…

Also, Ruadhan being the person he is, I am 99.9% sure that he follows/post on this thread, he loves to obsess and nitpick over little things in the goth scene and has a strong hatred for IBF and TT (who can blame him tho, kek). Kai decadence must be all over this thread too. I suspect that they do as someone said earlier about cowtipping: being aware of the thread must make them more careful about what they say online so they don't end up here kek

No. 908593

>This is ALT cows, not goth cows
Take your meds, anon, we've only been talking about (faux) goth cows this entire time. IBF, Kaya, Jake, Drac, Avelina, Emily Boo, the Viking clan, even Voltaire, they all want to be associated with goth and Jake's most criticized attribute lately is that he wants the label but has nothing to do with it.

As for Kady, the fact that you believe her "pay attention to me!!!" posts says more about you than her.

No. 908597

Why does it have to be goth cows anyway? Surely there's some milk in the metal and punk scenes.

No. 908600

It doesn't. We've been focusing on goth cows (one look at this and previous threads is enough to see that) and the milk has run out at this point, it's time to move on.

No. 908601

For your consideration I present Orlee Stewart.
Claims to be a literal vampire. Also a satanist. Also a witch. Can summon lucifer at will. Has many spirit guides who are demons but sometimes aliens. Opens portals into hell. Loves killstar.
Please enjoy this video of her talking about the dark evocative role of the occult in animr, and how it set her on her dark path.

No. 908636

I'm thinking of posting more about Chuckula/Chuck stegall. He's pretty well known in the goth scene, especially in the San Francisco and online goth scene, even though he's from Florida. He even has an Encyclopedia Dramatica page about him, though someone infiltrated it and erased a lot of the milk that was there a couple years ago. He's been stalking various women in the goth scene for years and has milk dating back as far as at least a decade and he's a source of constant milk. I don't understand why when he was originally brought up milk wasn't delivered, because there's plenty. It's about time he became a regularly discussed cow. When I get free time I'm going to gather the milk on him and post it, because it's entertaining as fuck. If anyone else wants to post about him before I get the chance, please do.

No. 908637

Shit. I'm on moblie and it didn't sage for some reason. Sorry everyone.

No. 908638

theproserpina aka australian vicky also shills for dollskill and seems to sell off the clothes she gets gifted by companies to promote, then has the nerve to ask for donations for her dog's surgery. also constantly whining about losing followers/lack of engagement on ig but doesn't really do anything worthy of gaining besides posting her overly shooped pics.

No. 908642

Doesn't the Proserpina have her own thread though? I mean, I wouldn't mind her being a topic here, she's obnoxious. Plus, she's skinwalking her ex-friend and has an obsession with photoshopping her chin off.

No. 908643

Never heard of this person but I'm all for it, please post a summary of him and links!

No. 908647

Seconded. Sounds like an entertaining cow.

No. 908668

She also keeps moving house every 3 months for some reason, and had the audacity to brag about her new Jeep right after she was asking for donations for her dog, if I remember correctly

No. 908686

>Can summon lucifer at will
sure jen
> talking about the dark evocative role of the occult in animu
she masturbates to bible black got it lol
srsly what the fuck.

No. 908691

>sell off the clothes she gets gifted by companies to promote
i remember other cows like manic moth doing the same thing. why bother to work if you can sell punk rave's tacky shit on depop.

plus you forgot to mention both mms sell low quality stuff (mai's frumpy braids and moth's fashion jewelry) for insane prices.

No. 908713

She mostly mentioned sailor moon being a gateway to the occult because of the astrological symbols or whatever. But she's mostly just a scammy "tarot reader" selling rocks she "charges with energy."

No. 908714

I get a friend request from his new accounts ever two or three months. He's a Trump worshiping "goth" who thinks he's a vampire. If I recall correctly his ugly, pig face managed to cheat on his girl friend a year or so ago and he was abusive to her.

Basically he friends you and then spergs about Trump. I'll see if I can dig up some more milk.

No. 908726


Dying for more Chuckula and Orlee, that's the kind of shit that entertains me, this brand of crazy. That's why I liked kady kek

I just watched a tutorial on how to sell your soul to the devil by Orlee. It's mindblowing how serious she is about it, and more mindblowing how there are 300+ comments on the video and almost all of them are treating her like she is an authority on the subject, a badass, etc. A lot of people actually asking for her help, there was a guy saying that he'd use the ritual to become the high priest on the church of satan and that he would marry her then, he wasn't even a cringey goth… a lot of people kinda thirsting over her, that's so weird! I mean, she is beautiful but obviously completely crazy, she's not even that kind of impossible beauty that makes you ignore the craziness, she's just… a regular pretty girl. Besides that, these people are actually taking her beliefs seriously. I just can't with people, honest to god…

The attached pic is a screenshot from the comment session of this very video ( https://youtu.be/K_inMmUx9GI ). What power, bitch? I guess her soul wasn't worth much kek

Now, since the past cows were ruined by cowtipping, please please don't go and follow her on YouTube or instagram to keep track of the milk, she WILL notice the sudden influx of people all at once and it'll be only a matter of time until she finds out why. Keep it cool, my friends. In my country we have a saying that goes "one who eats alone and quiet can eat twice".

No. 908728

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Hit the "new reply" button by accident without the pic or saging, urgh (in this case, did I need to sage since it's the first time this video is mentioned?)

No. 908731

Watching her "rituals" is hilarious. She sounds EXACTLY like circe nightshade from SNL's "goth talk." And her boyfriend is a total spaz who is utterly in awe of every bit of woo woo bullshit she tells him. They get their ritual candles from killstar and she refers to demons and stuff as "baphonet sama" and "lillith neechan." It's fucking cringe.

No. 908734

He wasn't the "enlightened" older goth guy who posted here a few threads ago, was he?

No. 908735

Orlee's patreon is only $89 a month, but she sells her "rituals" here: https://www.becomealivinggod.com/orleestewart

No. 908742

Oh man!

As to how to get an incubus or sukkubus, you can pay her to conjure you one.

So apparently her Ex boyfriend taught her how to conjure an incubus, and lowkey enlisted het help in stalking his ex fiance by sending her a painting of the incubus. The incubus is super great to her but was a petty dick to her ex. The incubus also plays marilyn manson's version of "I put a spell on you" on her phone. And she fucks it all the time, in a very real non-metaphorical sense. I stopped watching when she described "building up your own energy" and it sounded like goku harnessing power in Dragonball z. But you know, super spiritual.

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Apparently Kaya's now selling signed pictures of herself.

No. 908787

Orlee is hands down the best new cow. I mean she is completely crazy judging by her videos… yet her audience is even crazier for taking her seriously. Using ritual candles from Shillstar… bwahahaha.

I agree with anon, please PLEASE don't ruin this one by cowtipping!

No. 908810

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I've always thought vforvoid has cow potential. She's a ~non-binary~ utterly pretentious wanker with one look; generic and uninspired Manson rip-off.

She also has a storeenvy where you can buy shirts with her face on them, and clay pendants with her hair baked into them.


No. 908831

That's Casey Strange. Very similar people.

No. 908832

she did but it got full and a new one was never made, i think she can be integrated here if ppl are over hearing about the others.

yup, she goes from loving her roomates/friends to saying she has none, visits her family, goes on trips, gets her nails done regularly and lives by herself but can't afford her dog's vet bills. speaking of nails, she was getting them done by deadlynails on ig for the longest time then up and switched to another person for some reason.

>been meaning to do this for so long
translation: saw ppl buying fake's pics so wanted to jump on the bandwagon. they're not even that interesting but anything to make a buck i guess.

yea i always thought the hair pendants were tryhard, much like that misspelled poem there.

No. 908839

She's not crazy. She seems to me like a canadian jew who wants an alternative to what she was born into. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4mkSN4bI_w

No. 908892

I've got a a heavy workload to finish before I'm off for Christmas, but after Christmas is over I'll try and gather some Chuckula milk and post it.

No. 908912

LOL seriously? You are surprised occultists take occult stuff seriously?
Really darn surprise… knock, knock it's reality here. Yes they do.

What's next? We already had in threads past being surprised that tradgoth makeup may be monochromatic and "dirty" for like 4 or 6 threads plus numerous times mentioning ways of drawing brows one way or another. Ah and sperging about the fact that someone supports Trump rather then other candidates. And other "surprising" facts.

These are "discoveries" on the level of finally realizing that water is wet…

No. 908930

> The fake vikings clan was discussed because they refused to explain their milky fall-out to the public. Their hardly profitable businesses are also milky, for they don't impress anyone but their teenage following. It's really pathetic to have families/boyfriends pay for their lifestyle when they could actually find proper work to pay for themselves.

Wait so are you telling us that none of their merchandise even sells? Like they don't even make a profit from their stores?

>Also, Ruadhan being the person he is, I am 99.9% sure that he follows/post on this thread, he loves to obsess and nitpick over little things in the goth scene and has a strong hatred for IBF and TT (who can blame him tho, kek). Kai decadence must be all over this thread too. I suspect that they do as someone said earlier about cowtipping: being aware of the thread must make them more careful about what they say online so they don't end up here kek

That may be true but since people are mentioning Kai Decadence, is him not believing in trans ideology that noteworthy of making him a cow? Like has he actually said something like wishing violence or death on a trans person? I saw his comment on the Posie Parker interview with Triggernometry and he didn't make any threats though that's the only comment of his I've seen so maybe I'm wrong.

That's quite the description lol I'll have to watch this when I get home.

No. 908931

LOL That is just… I would ask "Is she serious?" but seeing how her fanbase is, I'm not gonna be surprised if she manages to sell some because of course she will kek.

No. 908942

I'm sorry. But if you think you can physically summon satan (or any other god or supernatural being)' you're crazy in my book.

No. 908947

So, it's okay to deny the existence of trans people as long as you don't explicitly wish violence upon them?

No. 908950

No. 908960

I only mentioned kai because I think he posts here, don't think he's a cow, never seen him make any threats or offensive comments towards trans people, but if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me

Radfem does not deny the existence of trans people per se, is much more complex than that. And please, no "terfs are trash" bullshit… Go read a bit beyond the teen transtrender tumblr bubble. You shouldn't have to feel like you have to change yourself because you don't fit gender roles and stereotypes, it's not about wishing trans people dead, if someone says that they are a fucking horrible person, a monster. But you know that, and you and I know you are baiting, so here it is something for you to be mad about and reply angrily to. You're welcome.

No, absolutely. We are surprised that this chick is claiming to do the most outrageously powerful invocation shit, like summoning Lucifer himself and basically commanding incubus and sucubus around. Do you think we'd be this shocked if she was just lighting candles while chanting for some demon to give her strength or something? No, this is next level crazy. You gotta agree with >>908942 . Do you actually believe that even "occultists" deal with supernatural beings in the flesh just because they said so? For fucking real…

Trump supporters in any rock n roll subculture except for neonazis is really fucking weird, my dude. If you don't see why, there's not even a point in explaining.

Idk, maybe you should just stop reading the thread if you think that anime loving vampires who totally fuck incubus(incubi? Kek) and refers to demons in weaboo terms are completely normal, your garden variety occultist. She's fucking selling you the service of giving you your personal inccubus or succubus, really, is this plausible? Does it sound like aomething a sane person would do? I swear that if I had the money to spend on shit I'd order her my own personal incubbus with a coke can dick and I'd pester her to death about it actually appearing.

Thank you for your service hahahah
Also, huge thanks to whatever anon that came up with Orlee, I love you. I'll send you a sexy incubus or succubus as soon as I learn how with Orlee.

No. 908974


>No, absolutely. We are surprised that this chick is claiming to do the most outrageously powerful invocation shit, like summoning Lucifer himself and basically commanding incubus and sucubus around.

Summoning whatever she refers as Lucifer (historically name/term used for multitude of beings) may be piece of cake for her depending on her relationship with given being. Looking at her history online she has presence for about a decade and seems to have at least basic knowledge of western Jewish and Arab influenced ceremonial magic traditions. Commanding beings - depends what you specifically have in mind and what she understands under that term if she uses it is not something new to even most traditional (pagan) practices of Europe and Asia. It's not only present in Ars Goetia and Co. A set of tomes dedicated exactly to summoning and commanding such beings. It has been a part of everyday for magic practitioners of all continents. So it's not exactly the highest form of rocket science. Especially considering that for contact you mostly just need to enter trance state to hear/see supposed answers from beings. We can see that in Afro-american syncretic religions, we see that in syncretic pagan-christian traditions of Slavs in Europe, we see that in Ceremonial Magic of the past and more recent Crowley influenced movements. Heck, she was a member of Candian O.T.O.

>Do you think we'd be this shocked if she was just lighting candles while chanting for some demon to give her strength or something?

I'm sorry but I'm n ot you. My tolerance is quiet high after having experiences with many different occult involved personages.

>No, this is next level crazy. You gotta agree with >>908942 . Do you actually believe that even "occultists" deal with supernatural beings in the flesh just because they said so? For fucking real…

I don't recall her mentioning in videos about flesh, physical form from what she was talking mostly refers to changes in smoke of incense burning she interprets as answers or seeing them while scrying. But maybe somewhere she mentioned that she saw something standing in a summoning triangle that looked like in flesh and bone being. Which would not be that impossible if that would be trance state "hallucination" a.k.a. not real solid form in material sense. Human brain is capable of doing such things. If you have seen her mentioning materialization in form of touchable matter - that would be interesting tho. As for physical sensations or hearing voice - it's not uncommon for example during meditation. Which is a form of trance state in some meditational practices (meditation is an umbrella term for truckload of practices). Also

>Trump supporters in any rock n roll subculture except for neonazis is really fucking weird, my dude. If you don't see why, there's not even a point in explaining.

I have seen a good share of conservative oriented rock and roll fans of different genres - punk, ska, gothic rock etc of far more extreme orientation than current president of the USA represents. I'm European tho. Our societies look and work dramatically different than USA society I do think he behaves like a huge asshole on certain ocassions. But I also see at least occassional support for Ukraine in their war with Russian backed terrorists. I do see neonazis tend to support Trump in the USA - but be honest they currently have no alternative in president seat to support. Mussolini was supported in elections by Conservative Liberals - but that don't make him conservative liberal. He was typical post socialist central planed economy dictator not even close to free market. I don't agree with Trump on many fields. But I don't agree that level of hysteria caused in some parts of USA society by his presidency is not over the top. And yes I also don't like Hillary either. I dunno who I would vote if I would ever had a chance to take part in voting Trump vs Hillary. But my point of view is far from the USA and in totally different society with problems that are very abstract to many citizens of US of A.

>Idk, maybe you should just stop reading the thread if you think that anime loving vampires who totally fuck incubus(incubi? Kek) and refers to demons in weaboo terms are completely normal, your garden variety occultist.

Honestly? I have seen far weirder people into occult. She seems pretty normal in comparison to people involved in many living magical traditions. Take a deep consideration about the fact that interacting with supernatural beings was for freaking ages part of any path. Dang look at Slavs they had multiple beings living in every part of their homes, in barns, wells, bania, forests, fields. To be honest I'm surprised how such beings are almost completely absent in modernized occultism. Yet it's everyday in traditional (here I mean anything that is not western "nobility grade" ceremonial magic) magic paths.

If you deny such presence - what legitimacy is in other parts of magic? Of course if you deny existence of any forms of magic whatever magic related is pointless bullshit for you.

>She's fucking selling you the service of giving you your personal inccubus or succubus, really, is this plausible? Does it sound like aomething a sane person would do?

It's a touchy subject good for general discussion should such things be done with payment. I personally am from region with long living traditions (syncretic European traditions with pagan roots and unrelated to "mainstream" western occultism) where local witches perform even rituals that aims at healing even illnesses as cancer but they mostly as far as I know if take any payment it's in form of offering from "patient". No price list for services involved.

>I swear that if I had the money to spend on shit I'd order her my own personal incubbus with a coke can dick and I'd pester her to death about it actually appearing.

Whatever floats your boat.

No. 908975

All this shit isn't real, sorry delusion-chan

No. 908977


>Wait so are you telling us that none of their merchandise even sells? Like they don't even make a profit from their stores?

It sells, but what little they make off of musty rags and cheerio necklaces immediately funds their perpetual teenage lifestyle of drinking and festival hopping, so there are no discernable returns of their “work”. Plus, they are all seemingly adverse to normal employment and are not talented enough to actually make a living off of their “art”. They all end up either latching themselves to a man or do lots of random and sometimes questionable shit to make ends meet, like Mara.

Mai for example is always belly aching about how poor she is, but then she up and buys/inherits a house out of the blue and still moans about how poor and broke she is on social media despite her lifestyle contradicting her statements.

No. 908980

If magic ain't real stuff for ya then special targeting of Orlee has no sense. She is not the only present on teh interwebs alt person into occult.

But if you are trying to criticize her on theoretical occult grounds - there is not too much room for so.There are few places that may be controversial but not in areas considered by rules of this chan as milk.

No. 908984

Clearly, you and I disagree on the meaning of TERF. But I'm pretty sure having it out on the lolcow threads isn't going to change either of our minds.

And you're welcome for Orlee. I can't wait to summon incubi and succubi at will. If this actually worked she could make a fortune. Her incubus sounds super needy though.

No. 908985

Orlee is not the only occultust online of course but until she records a ritual with proof shes an academic. The end.

No. 908986

I consider all magic bullshit. And I find thr huge ammount of power Orlee claims to have laughable. Thank you for the autistic post though.

No. 908988

You're a bigot(stop)

No. 908989

>Orlee is not the only occultust online of course but until she records a ritual with proof shes an academic.

What you mean here? Plus how you want to use recording of someone doing invocation and later scrying from mirror/ball/fume as a proof of anything paranormal? Whatever involving human medium won't be a proof. Dang even poltergeist activity if recorded would not be a proof for anyone even if recorded event would be real.

No. 908990

Really? How?

No. 908992

The only thing I'll bother answering you is: so she totally summons demons and stuff BUT they are things she sees in smoke and or hallucinations.
I'll answer another one just for fun: you do understand that this is a joke meant to say that Id like to order the service to test and confront her, don't you? But yeah, a thick dick floats my boat

Chill the fuck out!>>908984
She's not being "targeted" because of her vast knowledge and power. It's because 1- magic is not real (I wish it was though, now I want my own incubi and sucubi to fuck on demand, goddammit!)
2- she is cringey as fuuuuck with all the animu shit.

I know the kind of terf you hate and I hate them too, those tumblr edgy radfems who actually hate trans people, wish them harm, etc… But every radfem being called terf while not even behaving like those stupid ones is ridiculous. I'm all for trans people being respected, it's just that gender had to be eliminated for the good of everyone. Clothes and colors and mannerisms etc etc does not define your gender, you don't have to change your body or say you feel the other gender just because you like things stereotypically associated with the other gender… "looking like a woman" is not being born, raised, perceived, treated as a woman, it makes a difference of experiences. Their experience is valid and needs to be respected, but it's a different fight…

Yes! Her incubus is so needy because it's imaginary so of course she makes him being head over heels for her hahahah

Well, she is so fucking powerful, and summons Lucifer at her fucking will, this bad bitch. It's easy to just shut us up showing a video of her calling him and, of course, Lu showing up, kek

Anyway… I know we are not supposed to "hi cow"… and I won't… but can we just… er… agree that this >>908974 is such a detailed and through response that it seems rather implausible that anyone other than her would bother to go into these lengths?
I gotta say, it was pretty fast, I guess she was already among us as an anon or maybe this is a self post in hopes to be known, idk… fuck, these people are so fucking weird (and most of us here seem to be goths so…)

No. 908996

Agreed. Either he is already among us, or this random anon gets into this extremely suspicious argument a lot. Which seems unlikely.

No. 908998


I wouldn’t be surprised if they have Google notifications on for their name, because it is too much of a coincidence that we discuss the lovers of Lucifer and then get some rambling pro-magick sperging a few hours later.

No. 909000

Agreed. So for their benefit:

Magic isn't real. We would all like it if it was because I would love a shitload of money and power and all the demon dick a girl can handle. But it's not. You like to think that it is, because it makes you feel powerful. It's a lot nicer to think of yoursrlf as a powerful mistress of demons than just a chick with an extensive candle collection. But you are either kidding yourself or very delusional.
If you want to feel like a powerful mage, go play pathfinder like the rest of us.

No. 909002

>> 908992

>She's not being "targeted" because of her vast knowledge and power. It's because

>1- magic is not real (I wish it was though, now I want my own incubi and sucubi to fuck on demand, goddammit!)

It is but not in a way you seem to think of it. But whatever discussing this is pointless.
But I would agree that even being into occult some aspects presented by her on 1st sight could rise a brow in many die hard practitioners. But as I said there are numerous more controversial cases in existence.

>2- she is cringey as fuuuuck with all the animu shit.

Whatever I may just have higher tolerance. Ever seen Melonpan's video? He rised bar so high I barelly react to anything weaker in dosage of weebnes.

>Anyway… I know we are not supposed to "hi cow"… and I won't… but can we just… er… agree that this >>908974 is such a detailed and through response that it seems rather implausible that anyone other than her would bother to go into these lengths?

I discovered her vids like over month ago during searching materials about evoking and invoking supernatural beings. I must say I agree with many stuff she says despite being experienced in different forms of practice and had kinda similar occult related exepriences myself. I kinda find it pretty darn interesting that I found her mentioned here recently. But I would criticize some aspects related to Goetia itself and her vision of history of that system. Which she firmly believes to come from King Solomon directly and I see that rather as Greek-Babylonian-Arab-Jewish hybrid with some random influences. In case you care. Which I doubt. Whatever. I have spoken.

>I gotta say, it was pretty fast, I guess she was already among us as an anon or maybe this is a self post in hopes to be known, idk… fuck, these people are so fucking weird (and most of us here seem to be goths so…)

C'mon. Beeing occult involved or at least interested weirdo is not rarity among goths. At least here in Europe. Tarot, grimoires etc. are owned by many even if just for aesthetics.

No. 909007

It sells but it's a lot worse than they want people to believe. Take a calculator, check out their Etsy sales, then make reasonable assumptions about average checkout, rate of returns, fees and taxes, insurances, then you'll see they'd earn more working at Starbucks. Plus full time workers don't have time or nerves to start that level of drama.

Before Mai got lucky she cried so much about being poor to friends, at the same she bought the newest gadgets like a TV with ambiance lights. After she got inheritance she spent everything on the house and more gadgets like a robovac, still cries she's broke and keeps mooching. Let's be real, she doesn't need more money to enable her spending habit, it's killing her.

Congrats, you are a cow. Endless sperging about magic doesn't do you any good.

No. 909008

Be serious what's the problem for you here - that someone may have views somewhat similar to hers or that you find this coincidence so unlikely that there may be something paranormal if it's not Orlee writing these words? If goths involved in occult deeper than collecting shiny crystals on your shelf are such unlikely to exist in your opinion all I can do is to recommend going out of your basement more often. Darn, I bet I even make grammar mistakes pointing out that I'm not a native speaker of English language. Or I dramatically improved over last months.

No. 909010


>Endless sperging about magic doesn't do you any good.

advice dismissed as making no sense

No. 909012

Damn, you're thicker than the dick I want my incubus to have!

NO ONE is saying that if it isnt Orlee writing it's paranormal shit…

You completely missed the point, but I'll do my best: it's not that goths into the occult are unlikely at all (why do I have to say this? Am I having a stroke?), but you gotta agree that most goths who have this kind of interest range from just reading because they are curious to actually practicing rituals. You DON'T see people around claiming to have achieved the outrageous things she claims to. You see people with all kinds of different religious views in this subculture, a LOT of pagans, occultists, etc. But is this behaviour common? Seriously, is it? How many people who are bff with Luci and have demon fuck buddies do you know?

Let's even pretend that magic is real, do you believe her just because she says so? Wouldn't you like proof of such far fetched claims? Don't you wanna see the demons? How can you believe that shapes in smoke is a demon who is there to fuck you? You're just masturbating while playing with/looking at smoke, the demon part is all in your head, you explained to us yourself like 2 hours ago so I'm not getting this info outta my ass. How can you be so certain of all of this as a person who simply watches her?
For real, I know you'll say that we need to believe and feel and stuff… but feeling is not proof.

Your english is pretty fucking good for a non native speaker!

No. 909013

Your grammar took a dramatic nosedive in this particular post.

No. 909014

Oh, and samefagging to add: shut the fuck up about politics, you don't understand shit. You're so fucking wrong it just makes no sense at all

No. 909015

Holy mother of sperging!

No. 909017

I know right. If this isn't Orlee herself it's a similar cow. Maybe one of her devoted fans drooling over her in the comments.

No. 909025

It's kinda shocking if this isn't even Orlee. How fragile your beliefs have to be that you willingly start this argument just because someone with similar beliefs to yours are being laughed about it on the internet? Make a post or two… but all this?
But I think it's her from the way they talk about some things, like
She's not crazy. She seems to me like a canadian jew who wants an alternative to what she was born into.

Then links the video kek. Who talks like this about other people? Sounds like the obvious jokingly way you use when you're gonna say smth positive about yourself

No. 909026

Agreed. Which begs the question: is she delusional, a scam artist, or both?

No. 909027

In other news, Emily Boo just posted a "get ready with me goth concert edition."

She's seeing motionless in white

No. 909039

>Let's even pretend that magic is real, do you believe her just because she says so? Wouldn't you like proof of such far fetched claims? Don't you wanna see the demons?

I didn't watch her pact related videos first. Just some where she mentioned she made a pact with Satan. But had feeling that's not the precise name of being. As Satan is just a title meaning adversary and does not refer to any specific of so called goetic demons. Some certain name came to my mind and attributes of that being. Later it came to light that it was indeed that name used by her when forming a pact.

>How can you believe that shapes in smoke is a demon who is there to fuck you? You're just masturbating while playing with/looking at smoke, the demon part is all in your head, you explained to us yourself like 2 hours ago so I'm not getting this info outta my ass.

I didn't watch the succubus video so far so I don't know what she exactly states there and would watch it later and relate eventually if you are interested. But IMHO the most straightforward scenario of getting that thicc dicc would be during sleep in lucid dream ideally or during so called Oout Of Body Experience state that is kinda like lucid dream except you enter that state willingly trough deep meditational state. In that state you are fully aware in dreamlike settings and all senses are receiving vision of these settings as hyperrealistic - I mean razor sharp vision, super sensitive touch, perfect hearing, intensive sensitivity to smells. Erotic experiences in such reality are increased by intensity of sensations. Plus partners seems to always look like ideal representation of desired sexual partners with perfectly soft warm skin. soft hair, prefered body type etc. And you can do things you can't physically do in real life as you don't have need to breath and there is no gag reflex. Other than that everything seems to be more or less on it's usual place - you can put hand in mouth of person u see in such state and feel warmth of their wet tongue, solid teeth and warm soft skin, deeper in the body somewhat higher temperature.

Well I have heard about sexual experiences and experiencing sensation of being touched during sleep paralysis. And some cases of being pulled down from the bed by invisible force. I rather doubt in possibility of long time full bodied apparition of succubi/incubbi.

>How can you be so certain of all of this as a person who simply watches her?

As I said I don't agree on all she says. But most of time she keeps compliance with common tropes in occult so she is at least well educated on the topic if she can confabulate with this level of compliance and don't rise brow too high. There is no scientific method in occult. All we have is trustin or not some guys who did some practices and claimed they worked then try by ourselves if it work.

>For real, I know you'll say that we need to believe and feel and stuff… but feeling is not proof.

I agree and I always say that myself. Unfortunately from my practice it seems that's the exact way things seems to work.
I would be much much happier if that didn't work tat way - some spellbooks and instant actions in response to spellcasting attempts would be easier to research.

It's also unfortunate as you yourself are not always sure are you calling a correct number even if you are seasoned occultist with decades of practice. It's often hard to tell the border between what could be messages from outside with messages from your imagination leading to going full coo-coo.

It could be a some sort of wicked collective hallucination but the more I "research" topic the more practices and their effects look interconnected. Even if hoards of occultists worldwide are deluding themselves something potentially useful for science of psychology or psychiatry can be brought from our experience even if we are just bunch of lunatics trying to make our lives less boring.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 909042

No1curr what you believe in, turbo autist

No. 909054

Seconded. Nobody gives a flying fuck about your elaborate system of delusions. Super happy it keeps you off the streets and boosts your ego. But it is not relevant to anyone else.

No. 909082

What >>908960 said. From what I've seen, these people don't deny their existence, they just don't think it's possible to change your sex. And even if I don't agree with everything they say, I just don't think it's right to condemn someone who hasn't been shown to spiteful for simply having a different opinion. Like I said, if he's actually being antagonistic and doing something like wishing death threats or violence on trans people then okay, he's definitely a terrible person but I just haven't seen much evidence towards that.

Ah okay, so they;re just irresponsible with their money. And yeah I remember reading about the house Mai got which was expensive so if she's really "poor", how is she able to keep the house? Something is not adding up.

No. 909084

>"get ready with me goth concert edition."
>She's seeing motionless in white

And she wonders why people don't think she's Goth.

No. 909096

Look. I have many, many thoughts on TERF's and "gender critical" radfems. But I doubt if I'll change your mind, or you'll change mine. This is lolcow after all. So basically our criteria for what makes a cow are distinctly different in that case. Let us just unite in making fun of fake struggling artists and succubus-dispensing occultists.

No. 909125

> how is she able to keep the house?
You never bought a house, obviously. She used her inheritance and a big ass loan to pay, the loan itself is paid back over 30 years or more. Many people barely manage to pay for their monthly installment with their income, they can't afford to eat out or have fancy hobbies. That's why she can own an expensive house and be very cash-strapped at the same time.

No. 909136

Yup. Remember the 2008 financial crisis and all those people getting evicted?

Though I wonder how strapped for cash she really is. Might just be an excuse to ebeg.

No. 909140

I hate how this bitch thinks she's the walking epitome of goth. She's probably never heard a goth band in her life kek

No. 909159

You're right, i haven't bought a house so I apologize for my ignorance. I hesrd about the inheritance but not the loan, I don't follow much on Mai because I find her boring so again, I done fucked up and I apologize. So now knowing all this, yeah Mai should just get a part time job or something to help supplement herself.

It's pretty clear that the only reason she thinks she's the walking epitome of Goth is because of the Snog, Marry, Avoid episode she was featured in with her ex-boyfriend/husband being called a "Goth couple" in it. Ironically they even played Marilyn Manson in their segment so… kek

No. 909188

if mai finds any good job that isn't beneath her. ifaik she didn't finish college, her employment history is spotty, decent companies won't take her. i doubt she would settle for a call center job to pay bills. i agree with >>909136 she might be fine if she was frugal and not playing the big spender.

No. 909198


I don't think she's as poor as she makes herself out to be honestly.

I think she just says that to deflect from people's curiosity as to how someone can go from living in a basic apartment in the city to out in the boonies out of nowhere.

It wasn't like she was saving krone for years and years - she just one day bought a house and then got mad at people for asking her how she was able to afford it lol.


These girls don't want to work. They just want to party all the time, drink, go to festivals, and dress up. Lila was the only one who admitted up front she doesn't like working at all, that she wants to party and be lazy and travel; they're the same way, they just don't say anything because they know it makes them look even more retarded than they already are.

No. 909253


the dogs bark the hearse goes on
pro tip: wanna avoid such discussions - don't post seriously occult involved individuals here

No. 909312

"Seriously involved". Seriously delusional, seriously in need of help…
I just can't understand how people believe with all their hearts in things like these. You get nothing in return for all the rituals and invocations, etc besides you feeling something you already wanted and expected to feel. It's like you are all 8 years old believing in fairytales and imaginary friends, except that the friends are demons and are here to fuck you

No. 909317

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The no racism sign at Lila's shop… she might as well as take it off if she worships Blackface-loving Manic Moth and White Viking Power Mai Magi. The fake wokeness is nauseating.

No. 909325

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Almost every review on Google and Facebook is faked by Lila Chris' family and friends. Found only 1 real review which pointed out correctly they are mainly reselling overpriced Shillstar.

No. 909326

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Their reply is PR speech, completely missing the point. They want a pat on the head for featuring a handful small labels when the majority of goods is still generic crap.

No. 909333

A little late to the party regarding Orlee Stewart.

She makes a great cow, her videos make plenty of grandiose claims…laughable even for people who happen to believe in tarot cards, aliens, withcraft/various occult topics. Orlee makes a lot of claims about her " powers" which are a complete self serving fiction . She is a tacky alt scam artist, worse than people normally discussed here.

The occult world is full of people who believe they can talk to demons etc but 99 percent of them are happy keeping their " magical thinking" to themselves and using elaborate ceremonial magical rituals as a form of / self therapy/ self hypnosis..

they aren't charging hundreds, even THOUSANDS of dollars to vulnerable, often mentally challenged, lonely people for "rituals for hire" like Orlee and her "BALG" mates do. This is the issue I take with the entire " become a living God" crew, they are the current years greedy, exploitative tv evangelists in mall goth attire.

No. 909346

>her videos make plenty of grandiose claims…laughable even for people who happen to believe in tarot cards, aliens, withcraft/various occult topics.

Can you explain how? Isn't that all the same "sack of occult bollocks"? How do they tell the difference what is ok and what is laughable?

No. 909349

Hm right. Yeah the big spender shtick is not helping her at all. I forget, does she have a boyfriend or husband who is providing for her?

> It wasn't like she was saving krone for years and years - she just one day bought a house and then got mad at people for asking her how she was able to afford it lol.

Which doesn't make sense why she'd get mad at a simple question lol.

The cringe is just too much… She actually posted that on the store? Yeck, Nauseating indeed.

No. 909354

>Which doesn't make sense why she'd get mad at a simple question lol.

Financial questions are touchy subject in many countries. Culture matters.

No. 909379

Fucking around with occult stuff on your own is fine. It's not my bag, but it also doesn't hurt anyone, so who am I to object? But if you start a) promising other people clearly impossible and grandiose things like ultimate power, wealth, and their own personal succubus and b) charging a lot of money for it, that's a problem.

No. 909383

Way to literally say nothing, anon, good job

No. 909389


This is how the free market works. Who are we to judge them and their clients? I doubt myself in certain BALG rituals sold on their page, but who cares.

>Woof, woof!

Good boy!

No. 909408

Exploiting the gullible and possibly mentally unstable is cool now? Gee, good thing the "free market" has historically benefitted the vulnerable. Oh, wait…

No. 909409

The entire point of lolcow is judging people, it's good fun.
Orlee and the other BALG people are entertaining alt grifters and we need new cows.

No. 909410

What the actual fuck are you trying to say loooool, nothing is off limits, go back to your hugbox

>who cares

You, apparently

No. 909413

>Woof, woof!

Good boy!

You seem to think that this is a sick burn somehow. But it really only works in your head.

No. 909419

>no, you!

nice failing at logic

Volenti non fit iniuria

Interesting that you are literally proving otherwise.

No. 909421

Interesting that you are literally proving otherwise.

So you're severely autistic. Got it.

No. 909423


I would rather call it being honest, but if your version makes you fell better why not.

No. 909424

Anon, PLZ chill your sperging

No. 909425

Orlee seems to bring out the spaz like nothing else. She is proving to be a super useful cow.

No. 909430

Someone just used a latin phrase you'll have to google, scrub as a sick burn comeback, all unironically, so if that doesn't speak for itself when it comes to occult retards I don't know what will

No. 909431

I'm genuinly curious, what did you expect lolcow to be?

No. 909435

Not just that, it's also non-applicable here. Orlee actively scams people and lies to them. So called "psychics" have faced fraud convictions for exactly what she's doing.

No. 909440

You're a freaking comedy goldmine, anon, you know that? Never change, you unintentional comedian, you

No. 909449

Orlee's little imfomercial. She really is quite shamesess here.

No. 909451

Also sorry to samefag but her tattoo tour is great. Not only does she believe her tattoos can change her"molecilar structure," they are also supremely shitty. The one on her shoulder looks like it was done with a sharpie.

No. 909503


I’ve been looking at her videos and I am honestly surprised that she doesn’t have militant fundies trying to convert her since she’s basically playing to their stereotypes, while completely harmless people with quirky interests get relentlessly bullied.

No. 909509

I was wondering the same thing. I get treated like a childkiller with leprosy for having a non-standard haircolour. Yet this girl claims to have literally sold her soul to satan, and only gets gullible fans and people wanting to bone her. Maybe she scrubs her comments? Not tthat I wish that kind of attention on her. She's a cringy scammer, but fundamentalist biblebashers are no better. Besides, I bet she'll love that kind of attention. It'll probably make her feel like more of a dark powerful badass.

I think that's part of why she irks me. A lot of us goths and spooky folk spend a lot of time dealing with prejudices about us being evil or dangerous. And here this bitch is performing satanic rituals in a church and blasting it all over the internet for cash and attention.

No. 909544

She seems really unhinged, can't tell if she's acting or not lmao. But I actually like her tattoos.

Lol, I love it when people come out against something that most people are already against but act like they're being revolutionary. You're against racism? Wow how edgy. Also imagine a bunch of fascists walking up to the store and then seeing the sign and being like "we can't shop here? Well, gosh darn it!" And then leaving.

No. 909634

> 909509

Lol, she mentioned in one of vids that it's hard to get a job with her look. And also there are regions of the world where people don't give too much fuck about alt looks. Or at least cities.


Yes, people do believe in these kind of stuff. And there are even more "wicked" behaving individuals among occultists who believe in things far more weird for normal people than she presents on her channel. But yeah there is a lot of scammers online who have zero connection with occult. She however seems to have been into occult for real - you ain't gonna be in Ordo Temple Orientis if you are not into that for real and she went as far as co-performing Gnostic Mass. So it would be hard to deny she has required knowledge.


Is that really a problem for you if her succubus/incubus invocations that someone paid for would for some reason not work? All she do on her BLAG page is Tarot (there is also a lot of Tarot reader in any other place) and some "black magic" which would most probably mean demon working and curses. If you don't believe any magic works - why do you care about people who would order such kind of services? I'm really curious. Have you paid some occult scammer in the past and have some sort of trauma right now? What's your motivation here?

Yes she sticks out from all these crystals collecting "I'm so occult coz I own ouija board and a Tarot deck" isnta girl who are "vvychys" coz it's trendy and shiet. But if you compare her to regular practitioners of actual organized magick movements especially fraternal - she looks just in place.

No. 909659

Orlee is a worse scammer than Jake or IBF with their odious enough $$$ driven para social "friendships" with their " snaccs" and " belfry bats".
Our usual alt cows are selling their "goth/alt/edgy/sexy" image not their super human powers to curse your enemies and/or get you yr own succubus to fuck.

Orlee has her alt image as a marketing point plus she claims to have super human powers to curse, command demons, tell the future and anything else she can dream up.
Vulnerable and/or mentally ill clients will look to her to solve all their problems and in most cases if she plays them right they will keep coming back and run thru their savings for ever more "readings", " magical work/special rituals designed just for them/ paintings imbued with lilths power" or whatever other bs she is selling.

This is how bilking guilable people looking for answers or hope works..ive seen the pattern play out with both tarot readers and " spiritualist "mediums"..It is dis-empowering as fuck. No different from 80s tv evangelists.

No, I don't pay for " spiritual services" or offer them myself..but I've seen enough to know that people marketing themselves and their unprovable " powers" like Orlee does are completely indefensible con artists.

I in turn can't help but wonder at the motives of anyone coming on lolcow to defend her business practices.. I think you must be Orlee or a close friend at the very least.

As far as the Bible basher crowd, she is either not famous enough to be on their radar, yet. Or maybe she scrubs her comments?

Yeah Orlee does pander to lowest common denominator Bible belt stereotypes of the "evil satanist" very well. She like the rest of the BALG con artists know how to milk dollars out of their not overly sophisticated pay pigs.

I wonder if Orlee and her bf report their superchat earnings to the IRS?

No. 909702


>Vulnerable and/or mentally ill clients will look to her to solve all their problems and in most cases if she plays them right they will keep coming back and run thru their savings for ever more "readings", " magical work/special rituals designed just for them/ paintings imbued with lilths power" or whatever other bs she is selling.

She's mentioning such scheme in one of her videos (more recent ones) and warning about people using such tactics. So you are not the best at forming your opinion strictly or just all you know about her is that she do "crazy stuff" you don't believe in and takes money for it.

Be honest with yourself - you don't care for her clients. All you care about is her being sacrilege to your ideology of "there is no magic/paranormal". You don't have to be vulnerable or mentally ill to pay for such services by the way.(derailing)

No. 909716

Not that Anon, but no. As someone who practises ritual magic myself, I find what she does deeply upsetting and exploitative. You don't ask for money. If you want to help someone who explicitly asks for your help, that's between you and them. But what Orlee is doing is tricking people into giving her money in exchange for things she can't possibly deliver on.

Warning people of "other occultists" who might scam them while continuing to charge high fees in exchange for obvious lies just makes her look like more of a conwoman.

No. 909720

>Lol, I love it when people come out against something that most people are already against but act like they're being revolutionary. You're against racism? Wow how edgy. Also imagine a bunch of fascists walking up to the store and then seeing the sign and being like "we can't shop here? Well, gosh darn it!" And then leaving.

topkek anon, so true. It's almost always the ones who overstate their beliefs in this way that actually have some prejudice, almost like they're trying to deflect

No. 909722

Preach sister!
It doesn't matter if one practises magic(k) or believes in curses etc. or not, con artists will be obvious con artists.

Despite viewing everything from a self hypnotism/psychological lense these days( still do certain practices, find great value in LBRP) I've had LONG involvement in occult/ pagan scene.
BALG and any fellow "multi level marketing salesman" travelers are DESPISED.
People who are genuinely serious and in occultism for the "right reasons" just do their rituals or practices daily and don't attempt to become underground celebrities and make easy money by claiming they get you laid with spirits and/or lay waste to all your enemies.

That silly watch out for unscrupulous psychics video is Orlees way to exercise damage control and/or feel more justiefed that what she does when she misleads people isn't "as bad".

No. 909727

> 909716

> You don't ask for money. If you want to help someone who explicitly asks for your help, that's between you and them.

Despite the fact that many actually ask for money. Especially left hand path crowd are notorious for that. Some have explanation that payment is used to cut energetic ties. Or they say that rituals actually cost them their energy so they expect gratification. Especially when they do such services full time. Also hedonism and materialism of sometimes quiet high dose is not unseen thing among them.

>But what Orlee is doing is tricking people into giving her money in exchange for things she can't possibly deliver on.

If we take as sure that magic and related stuff does not exist - she can't per definition of "does not exist" part. That's sure logical.

If we however are believing into such stuff - then at least minimal reasoning is welcome to be presented.

If you just doubt into her being able to communicate with goetic entities - well the only way to prove would be asking these entities. But it's of course occult way. Not proper empirical scientific proof. From the occult side she seems to get the details right about communication. Communication with entities is a part of every traditional ethnic magic system I can think about. It's present also in syncretic Western Esotericism. From occult perspective that means that there is little space for presupposed denial of possibility of communication. Could she theoretically (in occult sense) do it with more ease than some other occultists? IMHO yes. If she is doing active worship (she mentioned in her one vid she does do active demonolatry) and poses qualities that such entities may be especially attracted to. What among many things may also mean she potentially is used by them as a tool and could be not fully aware of that fact. Consider the story of Kelley and Dee and entity that they came in contact with that was at beginning friendly and later they both cut communication with it as they get scared of outcomes. So what's your occult reasoning here?

No. 909728


I don't mean I'm enthusiastic about BALG commercial system. I'm just disputing the individual possible power. Possibly shady to some scheme of payment is not per se denial of skills on the field of occult. I just want to separate these two things if we are at it.

No. 909730

There's a cunjoined twin pink elephant in my living room. And the only logical way to establish that I'm lying is to find the cunjoined twin pink elephant yourself and ask about their whereabouts.

No. 909733

If you don't consider magick to be real you are honestly wasting your time by writing such posts. The point about your denial and superrior rational mind was taken already.

But if you consider it to exist - goetic entities are supposedly sentient at some level and posses ability to recognize people that are interacting with them. So that's not the rocket science why I came with such way of proving. In this perspective such post would be playing dumber than you really are.

If you are something in between - a denialist of a lot of occult stuff yet using some part of it - well you have a lot to learn or to make up your mind finally.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 909735

So… what you're saying is we shouldn't judge the beliefsystems of others. Unles they don't believe what you do. Or do believe what you do but engage with it in a way that is different from you. In that case we should tell them to change. Got it.

Tinfoil maybe. But do you guys think the autistic anon paid a fair ammount of money to eithet Orlee or someone similar, and is now super defensive about it because of the sunk cost fallacy?

No. 909739

>So… what you're saying is we shouldn't judge the beliefsystems of others.

No. I say that there is per definition clear to anyone involved that belief in occult is ridiculous to someone who deny existence of "occult stuff". But if one is into occult and deny one or another aspect of occult activity for sake of consistency it is good to explain why. As there should be reason for such thinking other than "I just took it out of my ass that X can't be done, now I'm back to my sigil work and necromancy".

>Tinfoil maybe. But do you guys think the autistic anon paid a fair ammount of money to eithet Orlee or someone similar, and is now super defensive about it because of the sunk cost fallacy?

These are questions asking for clarity of argumentation - not to don't discuss her at all. I don't see any defensiveness.

No. 909741

Lol. Not a trace of defensiveness.
How much did she take you for?

No. 909742

Over 9000.

No. 909757

Got it. You drank the overpriced kool-aid..

No. 909844

Yeah. It's projection.

No. 909880

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Boy, anon…

No. 909884

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Elitist Joe hinting at the Voltaire tea

No. 909885

Tea as in real tea? Or just hinting that voltaire is kind of sleazy and overly secual, which is certainly true.

No. 909887

What was this commenting on?

No. 909933

I finally watched one of Dorian's videos for the first time, and then watched another one, then another one, and had to stop. I just have to know, does Dorian always have a stuffed up nose or something? She/they/whatever sounds congested in each video. Also, how do people stand them? They're obnoxious. Shit gave me a headache.

No. 909961

I agree with you, Dorian is awful, possibly the most smug of the lot of them, and she isn't even claiming to have God like magical powers.

I find her entertaining to hate watch from time to time, don't see any other appeal to her videos.

No. 910011

It's called a british accent. Yeah, it's weird hahahah

This isn't saying anything

No. 910024

Yeah the accent doesn't help at all. It was even worse in her drunk rambling videos that she deleted. And she loves to talk… a lot. So it's just nasal whining all the way.

No. 910029


Although the occult discourse here is fairly laughable, I would kill for an E A Koetting carpet cleaner on meth living chod thread.

No. 910043

Bringing the thread back to familiar waters… hur hur hur.

I actually think she looks pretty good in her, the makeup is lovely and fresh. Now, if she would just ditch that rancid undercut, she could be on to something.

No. 910061

The level of squeeling in this video over so much junk was nauseating… When will it end?

No. 910336

> Lol, I love it when people come out against something that most people are already against but act like they're being revolutionary. You're against racism? Wow how edgy. Also imagine a bunch of fascists walking up to the store and then seeing the sign and being like "we can't shop here? Well, gosh darn it!" And then leaving.

That's what I find so obnoxious. Like do these idiots realize that being against racism is a minority viewpoint? lol

Back when I used to watch Dorian like in 2015-2016, yeah her voice always sounded congested or something, I think it's just how she naturally sounds.

I think she feels smug because she's older and has been through a rough life with drugs and eating disorder. I mean it's cool she shares about her past but it's the extra curricular stuff like the gender crap that I have a problem sitting down with. That and she does tend to ramble a lot and while I used to have the patience for it back then, it became harder to sit through as the years rolled on.

No. 910338

Who knows honestly. I feel like it'll end when there is literally way too much stuff that they can't just simply sweep it under the mattress or in their closets . That or if they really are junky where they leave things out on the floor, it all catches on fire or something.

No. 910350

God. Stumpy jake will be buried under a mountain of killstar and empty spooky box club packaging and Kaya will just forgets he exist because she has the memory of a gnat.

No. 910353

I never noticed the consistently congested nose. I like some of her videos, but I can see why someone would find her unwatchable.

No. 910356

I used to really enjoy her videos. And I actually like hrr long random rambles. But I've been really annoyed whenever she talks about social issues. Like her video on smugness where she said it was okay to use the term gypsy because hrr friend didn't mind. Or her now deleted "female privilege" video. I don't believe that you should cancel someone just because they say a thing you don't like one time. But her recent videos have really been courting the edgelord alt right crowd, and I'm getting sick of it.

No. 910382

Haha I remember the female privilege video. I don't remember the gypsy thing though. I agree I hate hearing her talk about social issues.

No. 910386


It's here. This whole video makes my teeth stand on end. She has a few good pointd, but most of what she says is just super ignorant and privileged. She's one of those "my non-white friend doesn't get offended when I use a slur and i guess they speak for their whole race" people.

No. 910465

>>Bringing the thread back to familiar waters…

Why? I thought it was clear most of us aren't interested in this anymore. The day TT and Fake do something milky, they get posted. This is not the case

No. 910488


I was going to bring up Koetting since he is in the same circle of crazy as Orlee with his manifesting Cthulhu in the desert and having psychic sex with female demons.

No. 910505

Cthulhu? Did… did anyone tell him cthulhu was made up by a racist nerd in the 1920s?

No. 910593

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Nitpick. But am I the only one who thinks Dorian's contouring looks like crap? She always contours her cheekbones heavily. But that makes her jaw look super wide, which actually makes her face look wider and really weird. She just constantly looks like she has a swollen jaw.

No. 910609

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Nevermind her contouring. Her stephmom sounds awful.

No. 910613

Topkek. His "magical ritual" looks like a highschool multimedia project. Certainly a cow. But is he an altcow?

No. 910616

fucking. get off of it.
Can’t the mods throw the butt hurts into another thread?

And if you really want to be butt hurt, don’t know why this cunt is in the desert when “the old ones” are under the deep sea.

Thought this was an alternative thread? Why are we bring in the crazies now?

No. 910628

He wouldn't care, he'd say that Lovecraft was actually just revealing the ancient gods to the world or something. These people only believe what they want to believe, no matter how illogical, ridiculous and absurd it is.
Also, I noticed a pattern of (imaginary) sex with demons with these people. Just fuck each other, ffs! I'm not even judging weird sex, but with real (consenting) people. Seems like they are all edgy and sexually frustrated so they have to make up those stories of how they are so fucking good at witchcraft AND sex that their fuckbuddies are actual demons. It doesn't make them look super sexual, makes them look retarded.

These kind of crazy often consider themselves to be part of the goth scene because of the stupid association that goth=evil. And you gotta admit that it is mostly something found within the dark scene, you won't see as much satanist Karens as Ravens…

I gotta be honest and say that I kinda understand why Dorian came out the way she did. Her family is fucking crazy, she was super abused, even sexually… Yeah, she's kinda insufferable but I can see why, she's always in such a bad place mentally… wish she would get the help she needs one day, because she seems to be a good person after all.

I've always thought her contour sucks too, it's the color. It's too warm for her skin, she has to get a more grayish one, at least taupe. And blend it, looks like she just applies it in lines, if it makes sense. You're not supposed to see the contour, all these instagram fake MUAs are teaching everyone wrong.

No. 910629

Orlee claims to be goth. The only band she's ever mentioned is Cradle of Filth, because of course…

No. 910718


That was my original hesitation when I realized he was connected with Orlee. In my opinion, I would consider him alternative because of his lifestyle, but I know others might not.

No. 910756

Aren't they a darker and edgier version of
>Yea ofc I have a girlfriend, she just goes to a different school
>Yea ofc I get laid a lot, it's just by mystical, incorporeal beings, you wouldn't know them

No. 910761

>I gotta be honest and say that I kinda understand why Dorian came out the way she did. Her family is fucking crazy, she was super abused, even sexually… Yeah, she's kinda insufferable but I can see why, she's always in such a bad place mentally… wish she would get the help she needs one day, because she seems to be a good person after all.

As much as I hate to admit, I agree with you. I never hated Dorian personally, I just found her to be utter obnoxious but as she spills more about her life, it kinda makes it easy to see why she is the way she is. But really, it feels like she may not be able to get the help she needs unless she breaks away from her family.

Yep add her to the list next to Kaya, Jake, Bish0p, and Emily Boo lol.

No. 910803

Yup. A succubus is basically a canadian girlfriend.

No. 910897

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Apparently Orlee wrote a book. Good for her. It doesn't look tacky at all…

No. 911020

The thing I don’t get is, if they’re all “powerful” and “living gods”, why are they still living at home with their parents? Why are they ugly? Why don’t they have a heap of followers? Why are they poor?
And then how on earth to people buy into this shit without seeing the basics of failure?

No. 911059

>it's only $19.99
i'd rather burn 20 bucks to hail satan than to buy her shitty book lol

>manifesting Cthulhu in the desert and having psychic sex with female demons
he's worse than orlee, he believes in a made up cult from fucking lovecraft books. when is he going to claim he managed to conjure a patronus kek? people like them don't need social media, they need a shrink.

No. 911125

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I agree. He isn't an altcow, he used to be a mallgoth back in the day, but he isn't one now. I don't particularly care about the Orlee chick or anons sperging if what she does is real or not, she's alt though. There should be a thread for these types (so I can hide it).

No. 911167

How about Abigail Zerry. She thinks she looks like Razor Candi, but it skinny fat af with tiny tits. She thinks she's the goff qween. But really she just thinks black people can't be goth, is transphobic, and hates fat people.

I'd show some caps, but she blocked me for saying she doesn't look like Razor Candi.

No. 911170

File: 1577588977718.jpg (48.56 KB, 443x221, FB_IMG_1577588893089.jpg)

Got a screencap

No. 911192

She sounds good. Bring on the milk and caps.

No. 911213

Gee she sounds like a peach lol. Gotta ask though, does she listen to Goth music or is she another poser? Not excusing the fact that if she thinks black people can't be into Goth, she's a fucking moron but you know how these types usually go.

No. 911284

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More Abigail Zerry being fucking delusional.

No. 911286

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No. 911287

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Here's h