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Please:
•No sperging (i.e., encouraging extreme violence or poop-touching)
•Keep infighting to a minimum
•Try to keep GC/PP discussion contained to this thread
•Ignore any post that is off-topic (racebait, homophobia), or that you suspect was posted by a troll/scrote
Gender critical and radical feminism define gender as sociological (feminine/masculine) and sex as biological (female/male). Woman is defined as an adult human female. Radical feminists seek to abolish gender as it is used by patriarchy to oppress women socially, reproductively, and financially. They strive to preserve women's spaces (such as restrooms, locker rooms, and health care providers) and areas of artistic and intellectual expression separate from men.
Trans ideology posits that one's gender is self-determined based on one's feelings and defines woman as the characteristics and behaviors traditionally ascribed to females by society. Increasingly, transactivists are conflating gender and sex and asserting that a person can self-identify both gender and sex.
Gender critical feminists strive to maintain the distinction between gender and sex. The conflation of gender and sex erases the biological reality of women, eliminates women-only spaces, and disestablishes women as a protected class. Existing laws and legislation currently being passed around the world allowing for self-identification on legal documents do not differentiate between gender and sex.
The acronym TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism) is used primarily by transactivists and their allies to denigrate radical feminists and other women who express gender critical ideas. Transactivists portray TERFs as violent oppressors by virtue of their ideas alone.
Posts of related news and web articles are welcome. Posts of photos, videos, and blogs of transactivists for the purposes of discussion and critique are welcome. Please refrain from derailing, infighting, and ad hominem attacks. This thread is not intended for the general discussion of feminism, sexuality, misogyny, or misandry.
Resources
https://bannedbytrans.wordpress.comhttps://www.fairplayforwomen.com https://twitter.com/fairplaywomenhttps://www.femaleerasure.comhttp://www.feministcurrent.com https://twitter.com/feministcurrenthttps://feministstruggle.orghttp://www.gendercriticalactioncenter.org |
https://twitter.com/gendercritical_http://www.gendercriticalactioncenter.comhttps://www.genderidentitywatch.comhttps://www.gendertrending.com http://www.gettheloutuk.com |
https://getthelout.wordpress.com/bloghttps://www.lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receiptshttps://www.mayday4women.comhttp://www.peaktrans.orghttps://radfem.writeas.comhttps://resistersunited.org https://twitter.com/resistersuhttps://www.sexandgenderintro.comhttps://www.standingforwomen.comhttp://www.terfisaslur.com https://theterfexhibit.com https://www.facebook.com/TheTerfExhibit/https://www.transgenderreality.comhttps://wlrnmedia.wordpress.comhttps://womenarehuman.comhttps://womanmeanssomething.comhttps://www.womansplaceuk.org |
https://twitter.com/womans_place_ukhttps://www.womensdeclaration.comhttp://womensliberationfront.orghttps://www.xxamazons.orghttp://www.4thwavefeminists.comBlogs, Writers
https://culturallyboundgender.wordpress.comhttp://gendercritical.blogspot.comhttps://www.gendertrending.comhttps://janeclarejones.comhttp://www.lilymaynard.comhttps://thewitchofwentworth.tumblr.comhttps://trannosphere.tumblr.comInauthentic Selves: The modern LGBTQ+ Movement Is Run By Philanthropic Astroturf And Based On Junk Science
https://medium.com/@sue.donym1984/inauthentic-selves-the-modern-lgbtq-movement-is-run-by-philanthropic-astroturf-and-based-on-junk-d08eb6aa1a4bForums
http://www.genderhammer.comreddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/FinnishGenderCriticalhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Gender_Criticalhttps://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCriticalhttps://www.reddit.com/r/GCdebatesQThttps://www.reddit.com/r/gc_wochttps://www.reddit.com/r/LGBDropTheTDetransitioning
https://www.reddit.com/r/detranshttps://www.peaktrans.org/detransitioninghttp://sexchangeregret.comhttps://www.transgendertrend.com/detransitionPique Resilience Project
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmGEMjyAwk6R1lTmG_JjLUAhttps://www.piqueresproject.comDocumenting violent crimes committed by transgender individuals
This Never Happens
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1722756661380462https://www.reddit.com/r/thisneverhappenshttps://www.peaktrans.org/crimehttp://www.transcrimeuk.comParents and clinicians concerned about transgender youth
https://www.4thwavenow.comhttps://twitter.com/4th_WaveNowhttp://www.gdworkinggroup.orghttps://www.gendercriticalresources.com/Support/index.phphttps://www.kelseycoalition.orghttps://www.parentsofrogdkids.comhttp://thejungsoul.com/guidance-for-parents-of-teens-with-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoriahttps://www.transgenderreality.com/abouthttps://www.transgendertrend.com https://twitter.com/transgendertrYouTube Channels
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHH8wS-Kd1wUvlvrrCmMMPQMagdalen Berns
https://www.youtube.com/c/MagdalenBernsCathy Brennan / Ally Missandry
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcOhi9MQDYOhodqxi81BZkADr. RadFem
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https://www.youtube.com/user/PerzikyoghurtPosie Parker
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB7daUkou5C7zJvbBvgU8eAhttps://www.theposieparker.comA Woman's Place
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzFqsUqDzyXEQMJVy42NwUwAgitprop, Art, Comics, Memes
Feminist Heretic
https://www.facebook.com/feministheretichttps://feministheretic.wordpress.com Feminist Struggle
https://feministstruggle.org/2019/05/18/dont-disappear-the-l-campaignNina Paley / Mimi and Eunice
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https://www.standingforwomen.comPrevious thread:
>>>/ot/491257Last Pink Pill thread
>>>/ot/444100 (includes links to previous PP threads)
Last GC thread
>>>/ot/454392 (includes links to previous GC threads)
"TERF" thread
>>>/g/67378"Transpassing" thread
>>>/ot/214811"Trans women" thread
>>>/ot/203215"Crazy trans lesbians?" thread
>>>/ot/116018"I hate the way this website treats Trans* issues" thread
>>>/ot/113748"MtF General" thread
>>>/snow/867400Radical Feminism thread
>>>/ot/373459 No. 498332
>>498325Some people just like using lolcow (assuming this is some other chan board you are referring to)
It's cozy here.
Good job on the OP image anon.
Rowling's terfgate was a significant change for gender critical thinking for the general population. Reading all the hate and death threats online directed towards her, and just women in general moved me from "sympathetic" to "wary."
It gets to a point when the thousands upon thousands of violent messages and death threats aimed at women online appear to be
more of a problem than one person misgendering a male-presenting, male-named non binary person.
No. 498493
>>498389I kinda don't like there being a separate "secret" board, it seems like a quarantine that will be deleted at some point (it literally says it's a temp board) along with our posts. What we post here isn't petty bitching, it's important.
Just a lil suspicious of this. I thought 2X meant some public board on another forum which would make more sense. IDK man.
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>>498575
Ah yes once again being told to “learn our place” from another aggressive scrote. Don’t you have a decaying neovagina to tend to tranny?
No. 498587
>>498584It's always super odd seeing those "punch/kill terfs" memes because they're usually accompanied by a tranny complaining about hate and violence.
Remember: Hate and violence is okay as long as you believe your brand of it is more justified. Imagine being such a stunted toddler brain that violence in retaliation to hearing something you find objectionable is right…very male.
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Why do men always attribute gender relations and behavior as being somehow hardwired into biology? They think men make rational decisions in the everyday life, but when it comes to relationships, suddenly they’re just helpless apes. They also seem to think that women are in that “ape brain” state all the time - sexual relationships or not.
Obviously we know there are complex social and psychological reasons why SOME women go for “bad boys”, but they literally seem to believe it’s natural for women to want abusive men. Is it some strange justification for abusing them?
No. 498872
I'm so confused by my mom. She's homophobic af. Well, both of my parents are because they're Christian conservatives. My mom once told me all lesbians are lesbians because they have mommy issues (which makes me wonder what she thinks of bisexuals). She also said in the past that she stopped watching shows because they features guys kissing and that it was "immoral". She just seems disgusted by homosexuals in general. But lately she has been super supportive of trans rights..? I thought maybe her views had changed altogether, but just a few days ago she said something homophobic. Yet every time I talk about the trans movement and how harmful it is, she doesn't seem concerned at all. She just keeps defending the trans movement and says none of it is infringing on women's rights, even though I gave her solid examples of how it's doing just that, but she refuses to acknowledge them. I think part of it is because she's close with my sister who is caught up in a bunch of leftist circles and is good friends with a guy who says he's "really a woman deep down" and was "supposed to be born a woman" yet doesn't want to actually transition. Said guy also has Asperger's (shocker). But, my sister is also friends with gay people and yet my mom retains her homophobia. My dad, however, just views transgenderism as a mental illness like anorexia.
Which makes me want to ask, how do you ladies deal with conflict with family members and friends about opinions on trans rights/transgenderism? I find it so frustrating, like its impossible to make them see my point of view, and any time I say anything critical of the trans movement, no matter how I put it, all they hear is "all trannies should be murdered".
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lol
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I'm getting so sick and tired of TRAs trying to guilt trip black women into feeling sorry or support trannies. Has anyone else noticed this bullshit? black women are WOMEN men pretending to be women are deranged.
No. 498953
>>498944Yeah, people talking over Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie and calling her a transphobe and TERF even though she explicitly expressed support for transgenders was a strong example of this. She was just saying we should be aware that females experience a particular type of sex-based oppression, for instance including female genital mutilation, and that we need to be able to speak about these issues and accept that "trans women" can't relate to all of them. But that still wasn't enough for TRAs. Her being a woman from the country with the most FGM cases worldwide is apparently not enough to evidence she knows what she's talking about, because to them women have "cis privilege," the biggest
victims are always troons, and furthermore no one is allowed to acknowledge that being born with normal male genetics and a fully functioning set of normal male reproductive organs means you are male, not female.
No. 498957
>>498953Chimamanda was just the beginning. Watch these scrotes make racism and sexism #woke again. Trust, they will find a way, and covert racist (or just low IQ) handmaidens will cheer them on to be good allies.
Men can't help it, this entitlement is in their veins.
No. 498958
>>498894I thought I was trans when I was 13, I cut my hair short, wore boyish, baggy clothes, tried to fake a deep voice etc. In reality I was just scared of growing breasts (I would bind them with whatever I could find), being objectified and harassed by men and wanted to remain a genderless, sexless child forever. I grew out of it at 17, I'm scared to think what would've happened if I was a teen now.
Anyway, I tried to "come out" to my dad and mom because I did research online that convinced me I was totally trans. Their responses were:
>Mom: sure, I'll get you some new clothes you like I guess, I don't want you to feel uncomfortable in your own skin, but I think it's just a phase and you're scared>Dad: well maybe I feel like a hot 20 year old blonde model with big titties on the inside, what does that matter? I'm still a fat middle-aged man in real life, delusions don't help.And you know what, dad was right.
No. 498971
>>498953I just don't get why they keep saying they're the most oppressed when they make up for like 1% of the population, if that. Why are they so loud?
Half of the world's population is female, women's rights issues should naturally take precedence over some tiny minority group that even the DSM-V agrees is a result of mental illness. Yet they get offended when people speak up in favour of women and say that women's rights should be considered first, because it's not about them.
No. 499002
>>498992They're parasites. They don't create, they leech off the hard work of other movements.
For example, how they leech off the LGB movement is obvious. They also attached themselves to the women's rights movement. And of course, as you see, they have leeched off the civil rights movement with shitty little slogans like 'It was never about bathrooms just like it wasn't about drinking fountains' and 'Trans lives matter'
That's all they do. They find another, bigger movement, insert themselves, and steal any memeable, memorable catchphrases and slogans for themselves. They don't create. They steal.
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made me chuckle
No. 499091
>>499045league pro player remillia died and is considered the first woman to compete in pro league
turns out it was a troon and they died after getting SRS in thailand
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>>499128LOL. see pic related. this ideology is out of control and I hope that ten years from now everyone involved in this circus realizes and regrets that they were the clowns
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How do I save my aspergers, GNC zoomer brother from being transed, without alienating him/being shut down as a T E R F?
Family trouble and he never opens up to me, but I know he uses both discord and reddit. I can only imagine who he talks to. My mom wouldn't understand, but I've spoken to her about my fears with this.
No. 499221
>>499091I feel horrible seeing what happened to Remilia. Spent a whole life inside on the computer constantly looking at hentai and posting giant titted anime girls and yuri and was convinced that all he needed to be happy was a couple dozen surgeries. But it was never enough, always “I’m so close, just a couple more, just need to shave down my shoulders, just need to get my boobs sized up again.” But it never made him look like anime porn and he ended up miserable and cut off from the real world and a real sense of self. And this is happening to so many young males who are nerdy, effeminate, reclusive, and weeaboos. The idea that all they need is to hop on a never ending conveyor belt of medication and surgical procedures to find happiness is actually killing them.
I have friends who were normal feminine gay and bi men, encountered reactive depression due to traumatic life events, and were convinced by the internet they needed to troon out to fix it. Their lives are ruined now. Years later one is covered in deep self harm scars all over his body. He was told transitioning would make him happier but it put him in an inescapable abyss.
No. 499223
>>499185>Every little girl wants to be a boy at some point.You mean in the sense of not wanting to eat this bullshit or as in being an actual scrote? Cause EW, never, and I mean it, never I ever have fantasized with being a fucking man with balls and a dick. I value my intelligence, beauty, and versatility that allows me to be good at almost anything I try to as long as I actually try. And the most men I get to know… Look, I don't completely hate them but most of them will at best manage to master one thing and that's the only thing they will be able to do for the rest of their lives. That's if they give enough shits to even try to be the best at something. Let's not get started with their biological limitations and such.
What I have fantasized as a kid with is being a cool strong woman who's both gorgeous and can kick ass, cast magic, do cool things and stuff. I think what most girls dream with is living in a world where they face no sexism and can develop their skills and passions at their fullest without barriers and no one limiting them (which sadly is what most of us are dealing with at adulthood currently. Specially women who are into sports and male dominated fields).
No. 499226
>>499224>Since I never had intelligence, beauty or versatility (or anything really) Oh anon, don't talk about yourself like that, that's sad. In the end to be honest it's mostly about keep trying and not to reduce everything you do to the limitations you perceive based on who you are. (And about the beauty part, anon honestly, I'm an average uggo at default myself, but have you seen the average dude? They fuck ugly. We barely have to try, exercise and keep a basic hygiene and we already are outdoing 90% of the male population).
As the other anon said, please I hope you get psychiatric help, you just sound so full of self loathing is sad. Life as a female in this world no doubt is tough but most of men are so pathetic they'll be shit miserable even while they belong to the winning privileged side, and I'd rather stay myself even if things aren't ideal than that.
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>I can excuse a murderous villain character but I cross the line at twanz violence
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>>499240Lmao the "trans" character they're screaming about is ugly as sin and straight up looks like a caricature of men that make no effort to pass but still want to be recognized as a women. Can't wait for them to start shouting about how Overhaul is transphobic and if you like him you are also a transphobe.
No. 499285
>>499272Kinda hate how anitwit is whining how everything is not catered to them plus it’s a fucking shounen series. They don’t give a fuck about tran rights as much as the fans claims it to be before dropping it like a ton of bricks bc boo hoo im
triggered this twanz girl got misgendered post mortem when he was written as nasty villain. They will literally salivate at anything with a trans girl label for muh representation (and apparently the trans dyke from the pussy cat group wasn’t enough for them)
saged for blog posting
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>>499324Ah you mean this mess?
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Eh, it’s probably too late to say that after witch-hunting lesbians for refusing girl dick lmao
No. 499480
>>499388Yeah. I used to watch her because I found her aggression really refreshing and relatable but she does come across as pretty unhinged at times and should probably take a break from youtube or politics for a while. In one of her lifestreams she did with her friend Terri she got extremely mad at someone for referring to her as a "radfem" and not a "radical feminist" and from that point on I knew that this whole thing was taking a toll on her mental health. I also really don't like how she blatantly shits on every woman who is not like her. Even saying "most women have the maturity of children" which is just…how very feminist of you to say women you don't like are basically mindless children. Totally never heard that one before from scrotes or anything like that.
I miss Magdalene.
No. 499572
>>499349Yes, they are trans.
But, I guess they are now 'identifying' as non-binary??
No. 499612
>>499350Don't do it. I found out a guy I was dating was into "chicks with dicks". Turned out he was cheating on me and fucking men dressed up as women behind my back. He insisted he wasn't gay because they were dressed as women. He would let them fuck him too, because he "liked feeling like a woman".
Imo he was a closet gay in denial and didn't want to be. Don't date someone so porn sick, PLEASE. You will never be enough because he's gay and in denial
No. 499613
>>499350It would be a total dealbreaker. There are cases of many pornsick men who become so desensitized to degrading porn so fucking a tranny or being attracted to one gives them an adrenaline rush.
And why would you want to be with a man who has either AGP, possible covert homosexuality, or is a degenerate porn addict?
Love yourself and have standards. My ex is dating a tranny and I would never consider dating him ever again.
No. 499615
>>499490>Sexual attraction to transgender people has been the subject of scientific study and social commentary. Psychologists have researched attraction toward trans women, cross dressers, non-binary people, or a combination of these. Cisgender men attracted to transgender women primarily identify as heterosexual and sometimes as bisexual, but rarely as homosexual. Sexual arousal research has confirmed that their response patterns are unlike those of gay men and resemble those of heterosexual men, except that they are highly aroused by transgender women in addition to cisgender women. They show little arousal to men. A substantial proportion of cisgender men attracted to transgender women report also experiencing autogynephilia, sexual arousal in response to the image of themselves as female. There has been some discussion of attraction to trans men, but it has not yet been the topic of scientific study.
>A Northwestern University study recruited 205 men interested in trans women. In that online survey, 51% identified as straight, 41% as bisexual, and the remainder 9% as gay.So I guess mostly AGP heterosexuals or bisexuals. Homosexual chasers are very rare in scientific literature and I have never met one in real life, met plenty of bisexual ones though.
No. 499620
>>499583If he is homosexual he will get some other typology like homosexual transsexual where he transitions to attract heterosexual men or escape homophobic pressure.
>>499615Gynandromorphophilia in heterosexual males primarily stems from autogynephilia. A man must be sexually attracted to women to have autogynephilia because he derives sexual pleasure from looking at the female body and wants to eroticize his own body by altering it to look female.
Also there was this study by Bailey:
>BACKGROUND:>Gynandromorphophilia (GAMP) is sexual interest in gynandromorphs (GAMs; colloquially, shemales). GAMs possess a combination of male and female physical characteristics. Thus, GAMP presents a challenge to conventional understandings of sexual orientation as sexual attraction to the male v. female form. Speculation about GAMP men has included the ideas that they are homosexual, heterosexual, or especially, bisexual.
>METHOD:>We compared genital and subjective sexual arousal patterns of GAMP men with those of heterosexual and homosexual men. We also compared these groups on their self-ratings of sexual orientation and sexual interests.
>RESULTS:>GAMP men had arousal patterns similar to those of heterosexual men and different from those of homosexual men. However, compared to heterosexual men, GAMP men were relatively more aroused by GAM erotic stimuli than by female erotic stimuli. GAMP men also scored higher than both heterosexual and homosexual men on a measure of autogynephilia.
>CONCLUSIONS:>Results provide clear evidence that GAMP men are not homosexual. They also indicate that GAMP men are especially likely to eroticize the idea of being a woman.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26498424 No. 499625
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>>499622Samefagging because I forgot to post this image
No. 499639
>>499614It was grim, but only dated him for 3 months so got over it pretty fast! Thank you for heeding my warning, trust me you're making the right choice. I used to get upset when a straight ex-bf followed big booby Instagram girls, but after chicks with dicks fetish guy I realise it was a blessing - at least I knew for sure that he was really into women lol.
Wish you nothing but the best finding a man, anon <3
No. 499640
>>499625They're fetishizing being sexually submissive and since they're still men, submissiveness always equates to feminine or being a woman.
>>499350Yes, a deal breaker.
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My sides.
No. 499705
>>499696Based cis gay male
I fucking love when they preface someone with a description like you NEED to make sure to point out he's cis, gay, and male.
I took a look at this guy's Twitter and he definitely has a humiliation fetish.
No. 499712
>>499663sorry this answer isn't very good, I haven't read up on this in a while, but I hope it at least helps a bit.
they say that because there are, on average, differences in male and female brains. however, there is hardly such thing as a "female brain" or a "male brain", because almost everyone is in between more or less. what there are is brains but with deviations. for example one of the biggest differences in male and female brains is that male brains tend to be more geared toward things and female brains more geared toward people. and although some people's brains are hyper geared toward things (these people are often autistic) and some people's brains hyper geared toward people, almost everyone is more in between and just leans to one side.
hormones have also been shown to influence brain development. estrogen has different effects on the brain than testosterone. and one time I was watching a YT video of a TIM who at first simply thought she was transgender but then found out she was actually intersex- she was genetically male, but she had been exposed to estrogen in the womb and couldn't process male hormones right (androgen insensitivity syndrome, I think. that's not a perfect description but you get the picture) so, if you research, there is definitely some scientific validity to transgenderism as a mental disorder.
I remember dr drew and other people saying that when you scan men's and women's brains the scans are different, and then when you scan a transgender person's brain then their brain will look more like the opposite sex.
however, what I find
problematic about this is that what trans advocates say is that these differences are what
makes you a woman, not biology. I'm a woman with mostly interests that are deemed masculine by society, yet that wouldn't stop me from getting pregnant if I got raped. why is it automatically assumed that it's the body that's the problem and needs to be changed, not the brain? why should we infringe women's rights because of brain scans?
transgenderism used to be very rare, but now is becoming more common. and all of the TIMs I've seen don't actually have feminine dispositions. they still have their violent male impulses and sexual desires, like how they constantly threaten "choke on my girl dick" and "shoot all terfs in the head" to any woman who disagrees. I don't know about you, but I've NEVER had a woman threaten to sexually assault me for disagreeing. whenever I've seen a TIM explain why they're a woman, it almost always comes back to sex. it's always "I make love like a woman" (that's what contra points said) and "I like being submissive, getting choked and having my hair pulled, it confirms I'm a woman" that was what a TIM said on reddit, but there are infinite examples like that. and you really have to ask yourself what they've been watching that put that idea in their head. I truly believe internet porn is a huge factor in why transgenderism has skyrocketed recently. or they base their identity on superficial things like makeup (which has only been mainstream for roughly a century) instead of the deeper things like liking people instead of things. and don't forget that transgenders often have other mental issues like autism, body dysmorphia, ptsd etc. yet for people with those issues they are seen as their problems to handle and not society's, yet when a man thinks he's a woman it's suddenly society's fault.
just added my own opinion even though it wasn't necessary because I didn't want anyone to think I was a TRA lol.
No. 499731
>>499712>I'm a woman with mostly interests that are deemed masculine by society, yet that wouldn't stop me from getting pregnant if I got raped. Very important point. Even if the psychology is different between sexes, and there are variations and overlaps, it doesn't stop a female-sexed body from having a female reproductive system and all the risks associated with that.
Trying to erase female biology seems just another technique to erase and ignore female issues.
No. 499921
>>499920The study referenced seemed to be looking at how much men and women’s pupils dilated while watching porn, basically how aroused they were I guess. I.e. masturbation by both sexes for men, and porn involving lesbian and hetersexual sex for women. I may have read it wrong, but they seemed to have used two different forms of porn for each sex (solo v couples)? That’s weird. Either way I’m no expert but I feel like there may be a difference between being aroused by watching porn, and actually wanting to do those things in person. I’m sure there are quite a few more people that are mostly hetero but might be attracted to the occasional person of the same sex. But I doubt /everyone/ is bi like the article’s title claims.
The idea that any woman is bi, they just have to find the right woman seems just as questionable as saying a lesbian woman just need to find the right man imo. Bisexuality in men is also still not as acceptable culturally I feel like, and/or seen as just being gay when they are simply not.
No. 499923
>>499920Arousal while watching porn is hardly a definite indication of sexual attraction to that specific person. It can just be association with sex or self insertion. I've heard of many straight women, myself included, who watched lesbian porn because it's the only thing that involves actually touching a clit and it's more wanting something to reflect what feels good than wanting to touch or be touched by the girls in the video. Of course, once I ditched porn forever and got into literotica, doujins etc aimed at/written by women, I've never had to resort to that.
And am I the only one who thinks
>“We’ve always recognized mostly straight women, that is, women who mostly are straight but if the right woman comes along, well maybe she’ll try it out. We used to think that was only a female phenomenon,”is bullshit? Men 'experiment' DESPITE stigma against being gay, whereas women experience some level of pressure/positive reinforcement for indulging lesbian fetishists. Like, sure, it's the girls making out with each other at parties for attention or having threesomes to keep their scrot bf happy who prove we're all gay in the right circumstances. Meanwhile it's men who are notorious for fucking each other in prison or in the military when there are no women around, or pedos (priests specifically) who target boys because they are less likely to speak up, and the straight men who let gay dudes suck their dick just to get some. Female phenomenon my ass, any hole is a goal for men and that's absolutely not true for women.
No. 499927
>>499923Yes I was thinking that. When I used to watch porn i would get arouse at stuff that i had no interest in just because I associated it with sex and sexual feelings etc. So I feel like a lot of their “evidence” is just that
I also preferred lesbian and solo female porn because it felt more comfortable because I could relate to their anatomy, even though I’m pretty much attracted to men only
No. 499941
>>499923I’ve always wondered how men in prison have sex with each other when they’re “straight”
Cause wouldn’t they be unaroused if that were the case?
No. 499950
>>499945tbh I was never addicted to porn in the first place, it was an occasional thing that I only did because it was the norm. But I can tell you that reading up on anti-porn information (especially first hand accounts from women in the industry) has given me an automatic, visceral response of disgust and despair to any form of filmed porn. I have zero tolerance for it now, I know too much about the horrors behind the scenes and how it affects people who consume it.
And like I mentioned, I moved onto other forms of 'porn' that don't involve any real people. You already know you don't want to watch porn and feel bad when you do, so maybe you just need a healthy substitute to fuel your imagination. Are there any fictional couples you like from movies or TV? Look up fanfiction or fanart (ideally more vanilla/wholesome stuff while you're kicking the habit).
No. 500073
>>499941I once read a study that said most men in prison were not attracted to other men but rape was used by them to emasculate other inmates by turning them into “women”. In some prisons if a man is raped then the rapist will tattoo a teardrop under his eye to mark him as the rapist’s property or “bitch”.
This is just like how many straight men do not rape women because they are attracted to that particular woman but to intimidate or punish the woman. I used to be brainwashed by novels as a girl that men forcing themselves onto woman was romantic and that men raped women because they were in love with them. Now I know rape is about power and control so attraction doesn’t matter.
No. 500076
>>499984>straight male inmates will feminize other men
>He went on to report how one of his rapists took a fancy to him and "purchased" him from the tier rep for $20. Even though he was thereby essentially enslaved by his new "prison husband", he was grateful – because his days of "being the communal bitch were over". He said he tried to do whatever his prison husband wanted or needed, including cleaning his cell, washing his clothes, preparing his food, and whatever else his "husband" wanted or needed, including, of course, being available for sex – because "he did what I wanted and needed – kept other inmates off me."
>As time wore on and "husbands" came and went, Rodney perfected the art of being a "prison ho", as his only means of surviving intact. This involved establishing a female name and identity, learning how to speak when spoken to, "respect his man" and emasculating himself to the point where he could not stand while urinating. There is nothing about the experience that could be considered enjoyable.https://theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/mar/07/grim-truth-gay-in-prison No. 500139
>>500076That article is dark huh
Especially with how close "trad wife" life is to prison bitch life.
No. 500175
>>499712If you're going to write a wall of text at least make it correct. Men's brains aren't "more geared towards things" while womans are people. jesus, stop parroting this shit. This is how you get men saying "durrr then I guess women should stay in carer roles and raising kids". There's absolutely 0 proof of this and it's petty clear you're a tranny stealthing trying to push an agenda.
Also, the idea that autistic brains are inherently male is spread by misogynists as a new way to push the idea that "logic = male."
The brain is completely unsexed. It's influenced by 2 things: hormones and socialization. Nothing else. All modern research backs this up.
https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2019/feb/24/meet-the-neuroscientist-shattering-the-myth-of-the-gendered-brain-gina-ripponI see so many radfems spreading this idea that there ARE actual differences between brains and I'm sick of it. Stop. Do some research before you speak out. You say you don't want people to think you're a TRA but you're in here pushing the same myths they do.
No. 500202
>>500159It’s the concept of “jailhouse gay”
No women are around in male prisons, but prisoners are still horny, so they’ll resort to fucking dudes (usually effeminate gay guys like the article suggests) because at least they can get their rocks off.
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look its mr taylor swifts egg watch man, anyone surprised lol.
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>>500204Forget to say as its easy to miss-this is aimed at women, not men. These men are trying to convince women to fork out over $2000 to hear them whine about how feminism is making women less submissive and how its horrific to
women no longer seeing themselves as baby making machines. Would love to find out how many women will go, or if hopefully numbers are so low it gets cancelled kek.
No. 500237
>>500225>Men and women have different brain structures though.They don't, the pop-sci articles that say this just don't understand statistical distribution. IN GENERAL along a spectrum of different modes of function more women tend to be towards one side and more men towards the other, it's not a group A or group B binary thing.
If you shuffled up male and female brain scans a neurologist couldn't tell the difference other than making guesses based on context clues like the size or skull shape or gaming the probability, unlike say a pelvis x-ray where they instantly know for a fact it's one or the other.
And that statistical distribution isn't of entirely biological origin since the younger you are the more your brain activity changes to what you're exposed to. So a woman who's parents made her play chess all her childhood would probably have even stronger reactions to a spacial logic puzzle than the average man who just grew up playing legos and a man who spent his entire childhood having to care for his infant siblings would probably have a stronger reaction to a picture of a crying baby than the average woman who just grew up playing with dolls, but pop-sci articles would call these reactions "male" or "female" reactions because they're more commonly found in those sexes.
No. 500247
>>499920As a woman who's identified herself as bi since the age of about 7, I now wonder if there's any such thing as bisexuality. It seems rather highly correlated with mental health problems and history of abuse (or both), and even then most bisexuals tend to display it most during their teens (puberty hormones) then settle into het or homo as adults (and it's usually het, especially for women). I know women on this thread will want to call that compulsory heterosexuality, and I get the point, but I just don't think that it's a strong enough argument (when you live in a generally LGBT-accepting country) these days. Even when they found the genes believed responsible for homosexuality all that was specified is that it enabled the individual to not be heterosexual, rather than being definitively bi/homo.
Not that any of this matters, people will identify their sexuality however feels best to them. Just my perception on it after 20 years of experience!
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>>500247A bisexual is just somebody who is sexually attracted to both male and female bodies so I don't think that is anything bizarre.
In regards to mental illness there was some research about bisexuality displaying Dark Triad traits higher than other sexualities so there is a meme on /tttt/ that bisexuals are psychopaths and "ultramasculine" but this is /tttt/ we are talking about.
No. 500304
>>500249The event is mainly run by MRA/"PUAS"/manosphere/ guys so its really not a shock they believe the best people to talk to women about being women are men lol.
The story is they run a mens convention which is very much about charging incels to tell them women are shit and how to bang them blah blah blah but this year decided to do one aimed at women. They have clearly been huffing their farts for too long.
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Is it bad I'm so use to men being unattracted and hating their girlfriends and wives that it is literally shocking to me when a man is openly attracted to his wife/gf? It should be expected and all but it does give me some hope
No. 500333
>>500240"Trad" men wouldn't be able to afford them either. These guys expect women to just have magical money in their accounts all the time to afford all these kids without being a gold digger.
>>500204Stefan should stay home and follow his advice. He's a dad after all with a wife that works. Who's watching his kid?
Also how much you wanna bet that this event will be canceled and molyneux will make an online rant about how feminists are evil. If not, it'll be an abysmal turn out. Maybe 12 in the audience. All middle aged men.
No. 500408
>>500295idk i use bitch sometimes,mainly misspelled as a way to show affection to my other friends,but sometimes i'll say "she's such a bitch" or say about a man that he's a little bitch. I don't see it as a slur just like retard isn't a slur to me despite many people thinking the contrary.
But men using it especially excessively? I judge the fuck out of it
No. 500423
>>500204>>500208Why would any woman, even a morbidly fascinated one, pay $2000 for this when we can just go to Reddit, YouTube or visit their blogs to read their bitching and "advice" absolutely free of charge? I doubt even the most hard-line handmaidens will pay for this shit.
I thought it was a mixed event, but since it's "natural born women only" (it'd be fucking hilarious if a bunch of AGP trannies who want to be tradwaifus showed up instead, not gonna lie), I'm guessing most of the attendees will be pick-me women who were guilt-tripped by their husbands and/or boyfriends into going.
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Oh boy…
No. 500530
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>>500484>shethat utena shirt is an insult to utena fans though
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>>500484The "sister" of Benjamin Troonkin?
No. 500569
>>500529What's even funnier is that your examples wouldn't even cut it for them. Lauren went back to uni and disappeared to avoid backlash from her trad audience for it. Tomi (the fox news one who talks too loud) is pro choice and likes her career so she wouldn't be accepted, gun girl would be too "masculine" because they think guns are for men and women should stop carrying and assuming all men are predators, Brittany? KEK and Blair white can't have kids which is stefans fetish. Literally the only woman I could see be there is Lori Alexander (transformed wife) and the rest would be men needing to feel validation for their misogyny.
Judgybitch (audrea) before she left the internet had a convention a few years ago about how awful feminism is and how women should just stay home with less rights than men. The audience? No more than 30 men. The turnouts for these things are always embarrassing.
No. 500609
>>500607I agree with you! my thoughts exactly! if it wasn't for those "ugly feminists" women would still be stuck at home not being able to vote or go to school or have any type of independence. Sure there's some cows here and there that call themselves "feminist" but dont do shit, I am talking about the actual women that try and change things. But yeah men are trying to shill that "all feminist women are bad" but if they had their way I am sure they would love to have women be submissive and be stuck at home in the kitchen. lol then you have women like Lauren promoting this type of
toxic shit to people while she does the total oposite, hypocrite much?
>says to date people of your race >dates a black guy >says women over 25 with no kids are worthless >is over 25 and doesn't have kids nor is married >says college is useless>starts going to college No. 500633
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>>500598Wonder if this had anything to do with it?
No. 500688
>>500633Well well well if this isn't the consequences of your own actions.
Tradthots need to learn the hard way i guess
No. 500693
>>500684Because he screeches at all women who live their lives outside of the kitchen, and is constantly undermining women in general. Are you the same person who said we "just have to breed with someone" and that Molymeme is superior to an actual accomplished, successful person (Taylor Swift) because he has a kid and that's "the only thing that really matters"?
The funniest part? He is a lazy househusband surviving off his hardworking wife, a therapist, but he condescends on the internet about traditional values.
Hypocrisy.
No. 500703
>>500653This is what makes me wonder if he's merely scamming gullible conservatives. Like there's no way he can actually believe this shit if he's shilling traditional values while being a fucking house husband.
I guess it makes more sense when you consider the fact that a lot of men can only empathize with women who are in their family. So while his wife and daughter are exceptions, all other women he has no relation to shouldn't have any aspirations outside of being dumb broodmares and serving their husbands.
No. 500774
>>500754What exactly does he do that equates him to a housewife besides staying at home? He doesn't post about cooking, cleaning, taking care of his child or being confined in any way from reaching substantial life goals due to pressure, society and/or laws.
He just offers his bullshit opinions on the internet all day. He's never even squeezed a child out of his own body, carried one to term or even helped the mother deliver one, lmao. He is useless in every way except as a sperm dispenser that talks, and now that he's old, crusty, bald and post-wall (as his manosphere ilk accuse women of being), that sperm is far from ideal.
No. 500780
>>500702His wife follows him and was caught trying to push "defooing" onto her clients. I think her self esteem is gone and has been for a while. She does
all the work. She ahs a professional job being a therapist, she's gone to school and grad school, she had her kid in her 40s and does all the housework on top of it all. Stefan? Nothing. He does nothing but sit on his ass and whine about reproductive systems and women causing white genocide all day on twitter. He's exactly what you would get if you pair up with someone like him and his views.
They don't actually want traditionalism and never had. They just want women to be property and broodmares again while also being an heiress so she'll never work but all her money goes to them. The only example of a woman like that is fucking gimpgirl555 and she's a manic dumpster diving horrowcow
No. 500792
>>498321>>500780She also can’t for the life of her pose in a feminine way, she always poses like a male bodybuilder or David hasslehoff. Cracks me tf up.
All of the tradthots and scrote right activists are hypocrites, just like how Ashton birdie is a bpd psycho, Lauren southerns a whore with a body count of at least 50+, mrs Midwest can’t keep her man interested, mouldy-meme is a worthless househusband, Gregory fuba has game executive function of a retarded child etc etc
No. 500815
>>500633Well even a couple years ago when the Lauren thread was active, farmers knew she'd fold. That it was only a matter of time and when the money she got from pandering to scrotes dried up.
All these tradthots are with the subjugation up until it doesn't serve to benefit them anymore, and then when their boyfriends or spouses start to treat them like stupid turds then they cry for independence, rights, and financial freedom back.
Lauren will be okay. But what about all the younger girls she wrongfully influenced and deceived? The ones who anchored themselves to low quality men who will cheat on them after having reared their children and took care of their domicile? They're the real tragedies of the situation.
No. 500835
>>500815Yeah this! Exactly all those girls who were dumb enough to fall for Lauren's bullshit are the real
victims here because now most of them are dating neckbeards who probably aren't able to provide for them financially and will end up leaving them for the next dumb bitch and leave them with debt and kids in hand. That Shapiro guy was right if you're gonna promote this trad life style bullshit then yeah find yourself a man that has a stable income and is actually able to provide not a sweaty neckbeard who "wins" keyboard wars with the "ugly femenists" seriously all those alt right people are a joke specially the stupid trad thots like Lauren that later back pedal because it was no longer profitable for them
No. 501026
>>500860>If you’re “bi” and watch lesbian porn but would never have sex with a woman then you’re straight and conditioned to view women as sex objects by society. Just like how a lot of straight girls will make out with other women for male attention or think other women are hot but would never down with eating pussy.Plenty of people enjoy watching things depicted in porn/media that they wouldn't feel up to doing in real life. Not being ready to perform what they watch in real life doesn't mean they aren't still attracted to it, as if they weren't, they wouldn't receive sexual gratification from watching it. Attraction can have degrees.
>A woman who is with a man but then gets with a woman is bi, she was never a lesbian if she was into fucking menLet's say two women are in a relationship, and one of them has had a romantic past with men while the other hasn't. That's still a lesbian relationship, is it not, due to the lack of male involvement?
No. 501105
>>500808>I think the same about women who date men for years then get a girlfriend aged 40+ and start calling themselves lesbians.I think this can be a bit dicey as just because you're dating a man doesn't necessarily mean you're attracted to him. A lot of women suffer from devestatingly low self esteem even up to 40+.
>>501085in both of these situations it's 100% a cope.
No. 501111
>>501109plus, there's the double whammy of women not really being encouraged to practice active attraction and are pressured to passively accept some dudes attraction to her, and women being more pragmatic about choosing partners and more likely to settle for the less attractive but more stable option.
I think it's hard to judge fake bi/real bi/lesbian attraction under a system that actively clouds all of those decisions and feelings
No. 501177
>>500237>>500175I've read about this in a science mag recently, and that one scientist who opposes these relevations unironically said:
"saying there is no significant difference between men and women brains is like saying there is no difference between a polo and a mercedes".(don't remember the exact words or car brands he used)
comparing brains to cars to talk distracting shit about scientific relevations he doesn't like. Seriously?
>also he had a very big chin. forgot his name tho No. 501248
>>501222Not a lot of Jewish people in my country so I don't know much about it, but I thought the stereotype was that Jewish girls are hot and the guys aren't?
Can't say I'm surprised though, men are always trying to get 'their' women competitive and desperate to appease them by pitting them against other groups of women, then getting mad when those women choose to date men outside their race too.
No. 501264
>>501254I'm so sorry your friend has to deal with that shit, let him know he doesn't need to stay with the troon, and it's better to leave ASAP, if he's able to.
I used to have a troon "gf" and he would be so reliant on me for his own happiness and never did his part for me, basically used me and took so many of my belongings without asking. About $500 worth.
I moved in with him at the beginning of him trooning out and it only got worse from there. Glad I'm out! Lots of therapy sessions afterwards and still ongoing, it's been about 5 years since. There's true happiness waiting for your friend when he leaves.