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Just wanted to answer >>1724461
This is parody art of someone else’s terrible Catwoman drawing, it’s pretty great. I can’t find the original image right now though
This person crept into my YouTube recs and I am not surprised by this take. She's very banal and honestly incapable of drawing anything but blank-faced hyperpassive kawaii. This is probably threatening for her to see.
Not to mention that Action Peach is nothing new. She's still happy and bubbly, she's just got some ass to kick.
>>1724498>yall don't understand peachs character design
why is it that when anyone makes a slight alteration to peach people start saying shit like how she represents ultimate girlyness by being super cute and pink? the same thing happened when the movie came out. I was super girly as a kid and even back then i thought her character design was butt ugly lol.come to think of it I dont think I knew any girl who resonated with peach
I don't have any strong feelings towards either boxart but peach is an old character so her image is bound to change with the times. These people needs to let go of their nostalgia.
Also she is still cute-looking (still has big eyes, small mouth, round face etc.) in the new art so I dont know why this person is complaining?
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That twitter poster is being more sperggy about it than warranted, but the expression on the right looks like they messed up her facial structure somehow. The more subtle change they did on kung fu Peaches in the back looks better.
Anyway, wasn't the main argument that Peaches fans always
bring up against Peaches being just a cardboard cutout bimbo-in-distress character this comic panel of her looking angry? Let an otherwise bubbly female character be slighty angry looking once in a blue moon, sheesh
This is such a retarded argument on both sides. If the box art was originally the one on the right nobody care. So much butthurt over a game people are going to talk about for two days after it comes out then completely forget. The only consistent attention Peach ever gets is from cumbrained moid artists shitting out tons of lowest common denominator porn of her.
That twitter OP is queen retard for her creepy preoccupation with Peach. How the fuck are you gonna imply that the company that owns the character doesn't know her like you do? Liking and drawing dull sameface shoujo lolis doesn't make you the CEO of hyperfemininity.
Peach has always been like this. This comic >>1724591
is official and from the 90s, ffs. It was fairly long running. (I used to have a compilation of them.)
No idea what this artist is on about besides her own headcanons, but bad "design" takes like this have been driving me away from being active in online English speaking fandoms.
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How long until she starts protesting and vandalizing the box art at her local game store?
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Here you go noonina… I was planning on responding to >>1724461
I’m almost 100% sure it’s in regards to this cover by Faith Erin Hicks from DC’s 2012 Catwoman. I remember it specifically cause the assistant working on starfighter face revealed over it.
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Retarded argument, but I also dislike the new artbox. Something about her face looks off, maybe it's the shadows…? I prefer the more cartoony one, new looks like they used a liquify filter on her face. At least the actual in-game model looks the same, so it's fine.
The first time I saw the change tweet I thought it was satire parodying the jp-us Kirby artboxes until I read the replies kek
She’s like those girls that develop some complex over liking feminine things and because of how much that is made fun of by moids and NLOGs, that when she thinks
feminine traits are being erased she gets fully defensive and pulls out the “think of how she shows little girls that you can be powerful while wearing pink and having a blow up doll face!” card. Her saying that the people who are just explaining it as making her more expressive are “dude bro gamers” comes off to me like her trying to just say only men are disagreeing because they don’t care about strong but feminine characters (not that men’s opinions really matter in this). It’s even more pathetic than the blue armed sonic debacle because her issue isn’t even that the expressions are OOC, her issue is that having angry eyebrows is masculine somehow. Even though her stupid looking vtuber avatar does angry eyebrows and her example of Sailor moon is doing it right in the clip. Peach is still feminine in the art, she’s still wearing her pink dress and big earrings, her long hair and her facial features (like those god awful lips) are untouched.
This is actually like so many of those situations where scrotes mad that a female character has short hair now or that time you could see the peach fuzz on Aloy and Aerith’s faces and incels think it’s beards. Actually this is like them getting mad over Aerith’s face looking a smidge more like a human. Dude bro gamers would be the ones who don’t like this change and would agree with her. I’m sure right now there’s some scrotes right now angry about this, not that anyone would call out them equally to the way she is being criticized because they’re men. Which is sad, for everyone 1 female autist mad at her girly girlness being threatened there’s 50 scrotes mad that something doesn’t make their dick hard enough.
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I think it just looks like she's very angry and she looks kinda unsettling and off model. Idk, they should had kept the cute appeal of the other one because whenever I see peach anywhere I see her with the first face she had before, not this one which I'm assuming has to do with the Mario movie or just to look "tough" so males buy it (barf). I like the cuter one rather than the weird face one because it looks like she's going crazy mad or something and that's not her personality or how she looks in offial art/merch, and women are allowed to like cute things anyway, I was looking forward to this game since I played the other peach game on my DS when I was a kid (and enjoyed it, idk why people hated the emotion mechanic that much, it wasn't a big deal and the game has more to it than just women=emotional).
Argument discarded if men talk about it though, they don't get to complain because I'm sure they made her look like this for them, she doesn't even look like the models in the background and it's their fault for having fragile masculinity
I think it's meant to look JoJo-esque so they upped the detail a bit>>1724847
I don't like it, not because she looks manly or angry but because it looks super generic and even more childlike in a sense? And yeah she was always tee hee bimbo that's what's fun about her. Daisy is the tomboy one
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>>1724851>And yeah she was always tee hee bimbo that's what's fun about her. Daisy is the tomboy one
I miss when her deal was looking regal daisy is better anyway
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i still like the first one more, but she's turning it into a political debate like a retard when games have gotten this treatment way before gamergate and girlboss was a thing
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Googled Daisy because I'm unfamiliar with these games and this came up. Does any color other than pink automatically mean tomboy to people that play children's games or does she actually have a personality like that?
Daisy is a tomboy by sexist Japanese cartoon standards. As in she's marginally less girly than Peach but ffs she's wearing tea party gloves, a bright yellow dress, and flower earrings. Rosalina and Pauline are less girly than she is and nobody would call them tomboys.
If Nintendo never specifically used the word tomboy, most people would think of Daisy as just sassy and a little stuck-up. It's ironic how Peach is presented as an airheaded damsel, but she's the actual ruler of her kingdom while Daisy is just the king's kind of bratty daughter who only shows up when Peach or Luigi need a +1.
Justice for my girl Daisy.
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Is Pauline a real character? Why does she look like that
Fossil here. A lot of you need to do your homework before overreacting. Pauline is, technically, Peach's predecessor. She was the original damsel in Donkey Kong that Mario had to rescue. Don't remember if she was a mayor, but she was said to be a lounge singer.
Anyway, I wish the aesthetic Peach carried weren't so tied to passivity. "Girly" style is so undeservedly loaded with complexes. I love stupid kawaii art, but the people who make it are nearly always something else. This woman is like a discount weeb Lisa Frank.
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pauline's tits cannot look like that in current canon art, that is like a bullet bra. Okay, it looks better in Odyssey.
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She is, that render is just ugly lol but she's the girl that Mario saves in the arcade game Donkey Kong when Mario was still called Jumpman, she's also the Mayor of New Donk City in Super Mario Odyssey
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Sorry Nonna. I'm so used to people jumping the gun that I jumped the gun.
It's crazy how few human women are in the Mario verse that all three kind of use the same template, and then, suddenly, Pauline.
Don't worry nonny
! I also wondered why there were so few actual human girl characters in Mario games so I always ended up playing as Boo or Yoshi lol
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Noo she can't have a different expression than the blank stare and smile!! Another character is already making that expression!
It's just performative pandering. I don't see how women don't feel annoyed at the fact that all these female characters in the past decade have had to be rough around the edges and so cool and not as innocent as they look. It's okay to have hyper feminine or even just uwu girly characters. It's like America has such a pusback towards it for no reason. The 'woke' idea that women aren't damsels has destroyed media representation in the west as far as actual girly characters goes. Even in real life movies, there's never any girl who just likes to be a girl. They HAVE to be a spy, or into computer hacking, or some weapon wielding master.
Aren't you all tired of that? And it's usually only twisted and taken away in US media.
I'm talking about them changing it specifically for the US audience because they think men won't buy the original art. This is a US media representation issue only. They are worried that the female group that the game is marketed to won't be enough for sales, so they up the edge in stuff like this, Kirby, games that look more "girly", because it opens them up to the male demographic.
You realize this isn't about marketing to girls, this is about marketing to men games that have been kind of gendered towards girls with female or cute character designs as leads. This is why anons keep comparing her to Daisy. Daisy isn't usually charged at all because she already meets that extra demographic of female gamers who want a more tomboy representation. Them purposely changing Peach and solely to catch the attention of male gamers to buy their game is so disingenuous. >>1725264
People are just using that term without actually having any idea what they are talking about. She doesn't look masculine.
That’s right. All women in and out of media should be tradwives.
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Yeah, it's this. They ended up re-drawing it to where she looks a lot less squished.
That's not about making her more masculine nonna. It's either about making her look more like movie Peach because it's trendier for the current moment, or making her less cutesy anime-ish to make her look more western.
The reason nonnas took you the wrong way was because acting like dumb changes in cover art is actually a conspiracy against feminine characters is kind of a stretch, and the way you wrote it was too rambly.>>1725246>Even in real life movies, there's never any girl who just likes to be a girl. They HAVE to be a spy, or into computer hacking, or some weapon wielding master.
This in particular sounds silly nonna. It sounds like you want a character that does literally nothing which doesn't get made because people would find it boring af and no one would want to watch it
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>>1725400>the girls handle it all themselves
and they're still pretty cute, active protags arent a bad thing lol
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The infighting in these threads is getting more and more retarded, everyone on both sides is no better than the TiF who whinged about it in the first place
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For what? It was a fine show, just had a sus
name, there's no lolis in it. It's just a standard magical girl show. I love the art direction.
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Right on, nonnie
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Does anyone know any artists besides Rockin Jelly Bean with good hatching technique? Preferably one who isn’t a raging porn addict.
Yeah I'm not the same anon who wrote >>1725246
I'm just saying it's stupid people keep equating this to just an "expression change" when it's not, there's a difference between changing the expression and changing the character design
Oh sorry nonna. You're right they didn't just change the expression, but I think most nonnas here realize they did change more than just that and are just making fun of the tweet op. The reason nonnas are talking about the expression is just because the op of the tweet was the one focusing on it and going on about nintendo making her do a ">:D face" and "angry badass woman trope".
Maybe she just doesn't have very developed art vocabulary and that's why she focused so hard on Peach "looking angry", but she's actually a pretty big artist that has done official collaborations with big vtuber groups (and presumably considers herself a professional artist), so not being able to speak about facial structure would be pretty sad on her part.
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Why does so much current gen/younger artist art have these expressions?? The OCs look so smarmy and irritating or pathetic.
They also tend to use the same trendy people Pinterest boards and use reference extremely literally so you can look at a drawing and tell exactly what pic it's from, or have multiple artists pointing out the refs on other art. It's weird.
Because every thing is now self cannibalized and self-referential that it's more important to do what's popular than to look at any other outside resources that aren't online or in completely different fields of interest that have nothing to do with art.
It's primarily a fear of leaving the comfort zone, too.
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Moids were calling Aloy ugly and troonish like she was tainted by blue haired feminists that are out to castrate every single gamerbro out there but she just looked normal. Not ugly, just normal. If I saw this woman in real life I would never consider her "hideous" but men actually take it as a personal offense when a woman's design isn't scientifically engineered to be unrealistic AI porn.
As one of the comments in the video said, I want to see pretty people when I game.
Not to mention, what is the point of getting models and people that have good faces to do face scans only to make them look kinda ugly? If I was the model(s) I would be miffed. Not to mention the human eye is generally the best camera and best at erasing details- its why no one looks as ugly as they do IRL as opposed in a photo taken by a camera.
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It is always sad to see the style of an artist degenerating over time
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Kimidake is the one I can think of at the top f my head, but the artist does draw coomer art. I think the artist is a girl though, since I remember coming across a yaoi doujin between two characters from Golden Kamuy.
I haven't noticed any ai art on my pinterest, but maybe I like a different style of art from you or maybe you accidentally saved an ai image once and pinterest's algorithm thought that meant you wanted ai shit all over your whole dashboard, which always sucks
When did you start noticing it nonna?
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>it took three days to generate these.
1. Not even close to Salvador Dipshit's style, it just looks like shitty dark fantasy art at best (top left looks like that drematime AI thing google made 5+ years ago, kek)
2. Either lying about the time it took or has the slowest fucking computer and internet ever
I'm pretty sure these idiots keep overexaggerating how long it takes them because it makes it seem so hard
the longer it takes.
Woah!! Three whole days waiting for a computer to do art?! That’s crazy! Imagine all the time this person had to spend glued to the PC waiting for it to make these drawings! Lots of hard work indeed.
I really hate the people that try to make their shit seem important.
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I am very late for this but Lackadaisy is very good, which is still ongoing. It has a very interesting story, and the art is some of the best Ive seen from a webcomic. If you dont mind anthro art, the only other problem I could maybe see is that it is a little verbose, if thats not your thing.
I do, but the point still stands what is the point of getting someone to do a face scan only to make them look uglier than they are? Especially when companies boast about using face scans and new tech to create graphics.
It isn't even exclusively women or character, it goes for male ones too. Leon from resident evil was face scanned and the double chin looks so pronounced in a way that isn't visible on the model.
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Did this in 3 seconds, I don't know HOW it took this moid 3 days.
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I really hate to bring up James Cameron, but are you also annoyed when the actors in Avatar look entirely different as Navi?
Like I understand what you're trying to say but face scanning is really used more like a template for the character, which sometimes turns out decent enough or turns horrifically ugly (SH2 Remake James for example) but if they fuck up a template that's on shitty designers
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This video scares me. Why are some women so hell-bent on upholding the superficial standards of femininity laid down by scrotes. She is seething for 2 minutes over pic-related because apparently what she wears is too "masculine" and then goes on to praise 2B - a character whose design specifically panders to coom-brained moids - as some sort of a bastion of femininity. Which is funny because 2B's stoic and reserved personality will be perceived as "masculine" in many cultures. Also what 2B wears in no way aligns with what a traditionally feminine woman would wear. Honestly, women who think that "feminine" is when you wear makeup and heels and pink dresses are no better than trannies.
Mario is literally a big-nosed, manlet with a moustache but you won't see anyone throwing a hissy fit over his appearance. Heck, most of the male characters in the West are specifically designed to be hideous but literally no one cares. Which is why you have characters like Father Nier. I hate how there is so much debate on how female characters should dress and act to be seen as feminine.
Yeah but with a bigger nose and white hair. >>1726383
Why is a bitch with burnt oily hair and a nose that'd make jews jealous talking about beauty?(bait)
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KEK that reminds me of hearing about puppychans new tumblr @wolfertinger666 the other day. She only talks about being trans and apparently puts the blame for anything bad she has done on her alters. Art did not get much better obviously. Someone said she's finally recovering from coombrain but I don't see it
She didn't say it's bad and it's newly repetitive
in all medias compared to how a damsel in distress was the staple for media for so long. She's asking for an in between. I get what she means by 'cool' characters usually omitting liking feminine things, like being quiet and stoic. IMO a lot of these characters are all the same and you can basically tell their entire plot just from the photo they throw on the promotional material because it's just a copy-paste of the last "girl with attitude". It's not about wanting them to be girly and flirty, no one wants a male fantasy, but her example of 2B from Neir was a good example. You just don't see that much in American media whereas anons mentioned something called LoliRock and it has those kickass girl characters while still wearing dresses and stuff. The media for acting and bigger games with mocap really only focus on a single type of girl in the states. You don't need to pretend that trope isn't overused. Women don't need to be one or the other, that's the point she is making.
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Nta but I see a lot of AI shit on there depending on what I search for. Oftentimes when looking for interiors there will be some that don't make sense and sometimes when looking at something more specific like food or fashion illustrations. If you don't save any of it you should be fine but I don't know if hiding them gives the correct info to pinterest since the algo doesn't seem able to make a difference between real and AI
>>1727089>Why are some women so hell-bent on upholding the superficial standards of femininity laid down by scrotes.
It should be studied. Are these women afraid that if they aren't audibly butthurt over a female character wearing pants then no man will ever want to date them because they're being evil misandrist feminist NPCs? Whenever I've had this discussion with a pickme defending blatantly coompandering character designs it always circles back to "b-but it's so empowering!". Empowering how? Because if you like it then Nigel won't send you death threats? Because you think that degenerating to a scrote's level of pornsickness will exempt you from their misogyny and give you the false sense of power? >>1727147
NTA but look it's really hard to sympathize with this "femininity is being erased!" viewpoint when even today beautiful girly girl characters dominate media and maybe one more "masculine" (i.e. not airheaded, nice or unconditionally friendly) character holding the token position with no plot relevance. Acting like the range of female characters being widened is a zero sum game taking away your waifus is scrotal behavior, end of discussion.
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Actually nonna, I noticed the same thing. I was going through some pretty landscape art when I came across picrel. It's like that comic with the wolf and the monster in the woods: it looks beautiful at first, but then you notice the nonsensical train design, the impossible terrain and rail tracks that don't quite look like rail tracks that don't go anywhere. I constantly have to go into my settings to remove shit like this to tune my home feed and also block the talentless hack who uploaded it in the first place.
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Samefag but this is the comic I was referring to. Perfectly reflects my feelings on this shit
It's shocking to me how much you missed the point. Didn't say feminity is being erased. It's impossible to discuss anything here
If I said I like donuts you'd scream about me not liking cake. This isn't about waifus vs hyper masculinity.
I think it's more like you went on a weird ramble about how donuts are too much like cake nowadays and how donuts aren't donuty enough because a lot of times they have sprinkles while making it sound as if sprinkless donuts don't exist anymore.
>Didn't say feminity is being erased
But the original discussion was a twitter artist claiming that making Peach look angrier made her into a girlboss and ruined her bubbly feminine appeal and you were talking about how purelly feminine characters aren't a thing anymore because they're always given kinda girlboss atributes?
I don't think you're a pick me or anything nonna, but it got pretty confusing to understand what point you are even trying to make.
What characters do you even actually like nonna? not asking as a gotcha, genuinelly curious
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what a stupid pickme, she's calling above average women masculine and ugly just because they dont look like a troon's wet fantasy of what femininity is. Friendly reminder that even after all these years, all the angry comments by moids and pickmes about how hollywood is demonizing feminine characters and just wants all women to be fat and ugly dykes, we still dont have truly ugly female character, something genuinely heinous like a female Jason/Freddy/leatherface. Even the ''ugly'' female characters in videogames moids love to complain about all look prettier than their male counterparts. Imagine if women complained about how ugly kratos is.
It's funny how these people never use AI to create actual pieces that have artistic value and are used for self expression or make you think about things you never realized before but just the same cute blonde girl with the same neotenous face and sexy clothing yet sperg about muh big effort and creative eye. >>1727327
I doubt it'll affect even them, AI art was a fun toy to play around with but the appeal in commissioning is to get someone to make something tailored for you. My friend who does fetish commissions is still getting commissions even from scrotes who swore upon AI art because even they know how soulless and unsatisfying it is.
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Comments like this really make me think about how people perceive women to begin with. What the hell do you mean "write them as a man but put lady skin on em"? What "male things" are they doing? Raping women and children? Writing insufferable incel thoughts online? Making youtube videos about how feminism is ruining video games? I got actual brain damage from watching this pickme's video when she called the design in >>1727089
mannish even when she has a full face of makeup and a long hair with form fitting clothing, I don't think scrotes have any worry from "feminists taking over the vidya industry" when people like this are hired as game writers. I wish her a very fast pinkpilling.
Did you watch the video? It's literally referring to shit like "woman no smile = man". >And maybe you didn't see it but stuff like "we need more female serial killers and pschopaths for Representation!" has actually happened in western media.
Seems like they want to see themselves in games. The gender alone isn't enough, the female characters also have to dress cute and put on makeup the way those women do irl apparently, regardless of if it fits the role>>1727381>Not that women can't be warriors ever but for some reason in something like Vikings they never chose a mother of five children raising those while farming or a textile worker
I know you're just making an example, but the reality is that most western games are about war and fighting and that there's not much excitement in farming or textiles. If they put female characters in games as protagonists they have to fit that action environment. The solution would be to have more games written and directed by women, but I guess there would still be pointless nitpicking.
Honestly this kind of "c-can't they just be really skilled cooks?? taking care of children is important work too!!" bargaining is ridiculous and being intentionally obtuse about the issue. Like >>1727423
said weaving tapestries isn't exciting in a game about going to war and destroying your enemies. If they can include dragons and demons in medieval games then they can include female warriors and not give a shit about muh historical inaccuracies. >>1727424
Please offer an example of this so we can see what you consider a character that's written as "male in woman skin". I'm very interested in seeing what you consider so masculine in a woman that it must be a man.
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I do agree with this poster on the point that male writers don't know how to write active roles for women in their games. So in games with male writers you get the feminine badass or the damsel in distress, nothing really inbetween.>>1727336
Even when a female character is meant to look "ugly", she'll still be wearing makeup. Like picrel, the item check girl from Skyward Sword.
No one is saying that. They just want that same mother to be a viking sometimes. Why can't she be both? Why does it have to be one or the other? Not a single person said they need to be stuck in gender role. The whole argument is that they can be both. I haven't seen anyone say they want hyper bimboism characters in order to have femininity in their media. All Im seeing is anons say they're isn't a need to completely strip female characters of feminine personalities just to have a check mark ticked off that they added a girl to the character line-up. Even Jessica Rabbit is a good example if you want to talk about a character with depth that is
super sexual on the surface but gets her hands dirty. You do not see characters like her anymore.
>>1727453>They just want that same mother to be a viking sometimes.Why can't she be both? Why does it have to be one or the other?
but why? you dont ask the male characters to be fathers too.>You do not see characters like her anymore.
because guess what you? can make strong female characters without making them fucking sex dolls. Why is being a blowup doll or a cutesy girl girl neccesary for a female character to feel feminine?
NTA but I'm seriously losing brain cells reading this but I'll bite because I'm bored.>All Im seeing is anons say they're isn't a need to completely strip female characters of feminine personalities just to have a check mark ticked off that they added a girl to the character line-up.
See, the issue is that people classify traits that should be gender neutral as "being male" and "stripping women of their femininity". Woman not smiling? Male. Woman being a strong fighter? Male. Woman wearing covering clothing? Male. Woman being muscular? Male. Woman having a role outside of mother/sister/wife? Male. Woman not wearing makeup? Male. Female character wearing a "cute outfit" that's a coomerified swimsuit and a face full of makeup while being bubbly and sexy? Now that's a woman. People are actually losing their minds over Princess Peach having a very slightly angrier expression on her game's cover art and thinking this is a feminist agenda masculinizing all the pretty princesses into girlboss dykes leaving nothing for the girly girls and brainwashing every young girl gamer into hating femininity when a normal person looks at the cover edit once, thinks it's sort of stupid and moves on. They had to redesign Sonic the Hedgehog for American audiences to look more edgy and angry in the 90's because they felt he was "too cute" but chronically online spergs want to see things that just aren't there because their worst nightmare is that only 98% of all media features only feminine, conventionally beautiful women conforming to traditional values. If they let down their hypervigilance it'll soon be only 97.8%!
They should. Men should also complain that their characters are one dimensional with how they are constantly written, just different setting. >went so they have to be moms to be feminine
You're using Bayonetta as the exact example of a multifaceted design and personality. She could be in armor gear for all I care instead of hair, but they didn't try to force her into a one of the guys type of girls which is how those characters are instead always written. Again though, we are taking about US media. Japan doesn't have this problem as much.
>>1727477>Men should also complain that their characters are one dimensional with how they are constantly written
They do bitch about that. A lot of american writers are bad and a lot of designers have no taste, they make what they are used to. What even is this conversation>>1727496
So? We all know this. But the original anon was whining about Peach and Frozen
you are completly moving the goalpost, no one is denying those characters aren't badly written. You know a female character can be badly written but still be a woman, right?>>1727497
again, it's a power fantasy/escapism. It doesnt have to be rooted in reality. I genuinely dont care about playing as a mother, I would be a warrior or some other cool shit. >>1727517
it's retarded as fuck, men get to be whatever they want but women always have to be moms to not be ''onedimensional''. Which again shows she doenst really care about female characters being fleshed out, she just want female characters to be gender stereotypes.
In all honesty, I thought he just used costumes and makeup but then again- never had any interest in James Cameron's Avatar. Side by side, it still looks better than most other model:character stuff I've seen when it comes to body scans.
But with games it either comes out decent enough or just ugly but rarely ever just good or specifically nice looking. >>1727460
Because male characters are allowed an "in-between" either badass or loser whereas female characters are either written as badasses with no/minimal feminine traits/interests OR they're feminine but are useless damsels who can't do anything for themselves. >>1727481>You have two entire genres that also largely don't exist in the west outside of for children
Way to miss the point anon.
>>1727336>Imagine if women complained about how ugly kratos is.
I did it a few times on social media and people would assume I mean that I'm calling the game itself ugly on a technical level or they would assume I'm a guy and would say "hmmm but he's half naked and some women like that!!!1!" Like no honey, he's ugly as fuck, and the hipster beard doesn't make him less ugly, he's just ugly in a different way now. Those are the same fags who would always complain about JRPGs having bishonen or young kids as the main characters and calling them "gay" or "pussies" for showing emotions that aren't just unga bunga rage. I will keep doing my duty to keep calling Kratos hideous on a semi-regular basis of course.>>1727346
Me but unironically.
Are you dumb? I mean anons phrasing whatever points they think they have so horribly that they end up having to defend themselves for saying shit like >>1725246
Yes, but those discussions all started from the peach discussion, and because that nonna was making pretty poorly phrased arguments and then brought up a video about western gaming. It's confusing because this is an anonymous board, so obviously we can't tell who is not saying what and who is saying multiple things, so nonnas staying mad about the example of lack of mother characters is because they're probably still connecting it to the other nonna talking about way up thread the post about feminine characters always being hackers or whatever. And it really is hard to argue about these topics if you don't bring up positive examples since nobody can understand what you are actually arguing in favour of. althought I can't blame you since if you pick a character that isn't 100% perfect you will probably have nonnas ranting on you about how that character is actually coomer bait
In we happy few there's a portion of the game where you play as a mother that has to take care of a baby, and you could technically count the Kara plot in Become Human. Is that kinda what you mean? also what one nonna mentioned about yeeting your children into the battlefield sounds kinda fun kek
I think lack of representation of the more "trad wife-y" (for lack of a better term) feminine traits like having kids and doing crochet or whatever might be because those things might read as kinda "matronly" ie old, and old women don't have that much representation in general, either because they're not appealing to moids, or because most gamers are younger and don't /don't want to
relate to old people.
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Changing the subject, post some really useful art tips and tutorials!
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I remember reading a twitter screenshot about how characters like the hulk were female fantasies because they are muscular and walk around shirtless, and that kind of got me thinking. I think artists dont know how to make male characters appealing, and just assume muscles makes men automatically attractive.
It was also odd to me when you would see people get suprised or uncomfortable when they see a male character seen as physically attractive by women, I think a lot of people think that straight women just arent attracted to men physically.
Tangentially related but you just reminded me, how much I fucking hate the internet’s obsession with femboys to the point almost any prettyboy with elegant/feminine attributes (or literally just long hair) gets sissified and turned into a submissive uwu gay femboy by coomer fans. (Rare cases I don’t see this happen is het romance media with mainly female fans like Howl’s Moving Castle for example)
But of course any roided out/hairy/bearded/middle-aged ugly dude is pushed as peak masculine husbando daddy dom sex god or whatever.
Like, with LoZ, I mostly blame femboy Link on the developers for the gerudo outfit, but I still think the Ganondorf thirst people had was some insane delusion or psyop
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On a more serious note, I find that using online references and photos of real photos have helped me the most in advancing my art. I could probably buy some art books if needed, but my experience with shitty how to draw books when I was younger just makes me put off towards them
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>>1728186>my experience with shitty how to draw books when I was younger just makes me put off towards them
As kids my best friend had this manga book and I was SO jealous that she'd get to learn how to draw manga and I'd get left behind lmao
You lost me at catboys. But while it's not my thing, go ahead and do it nonnie
, I support your cause. Otome and shoujo stuff suck writing wise and character designs wise. Like wtf was that game with the horse with a bishounen face?
Not to drag it out further but you are dumb or can't read. I meant those anons were so shit at expressing themselves that they came across as misogynistic with their views on femininity that didn't even have a point. I didn't say anyone who answered them was.>>1728285
True and you should say it
Catboys as in men who are lithe and sexy and move seductively, like a cat. Like a big wild cat boy, while also being cute in the face.
I’m reclaiming catboys from the bisexual scrote femboy coomers.
Didn't win a sponsorship, which truly annoys me. There weren't that many entries, and I was sure I had a winning project. Femicide and uncomfortable sure, but damn well made. An entire installation even with a glass window and glass uterus I build. I already knew it would go this way. I used my actual last name. Artist family, some more famous then others.. It would have looked like nepotism, two of the judges knew my dad and mom. Fuck me. I need to change my name, else I'll always be judged on my parents merits.. Fuck the art scene so hard. I can hardly handle the general artist population. The likes that bring their own maps to a gallery opening. All so far up their own asses.
If a woman would have used literal animal blood in her works, she'd be called a mental case. No woman couldve ever been a nitsch or anyone similar. My mom told me to change my name ages ago to something gender neutral and a way different last name. How much does one have to give up? I don't even want anything anymore, I just want people to start thinking by looking at installations I make. See my fucking outrage and fucking feel something. Hopefully enough to pay attention and maybe too, start helping and doing things. Urgh, rant over, I apologise.
You're probably right, sadly the rules specified to use your real name, no moniker or artist name. I honestly don't know, I should've just done it anyway. Not like they could've checked it.. All in all, I'm glad someone gets the recognition and help and I am grateful my country even cares in the first place. (and I didn't know that the judges knew my parents. My mom only told me much later, hah) >>1728435
Thank you very much, that's very kind of you. And yeah, might go dig into some colours for a name idea. Always liked scarlet.
Now actually thinking about everything, especially with my last post.. Guess I'm an entitled artist shit too. I'll definitely be more realistic next time. But I do fucking believe my femicide installation is fucking badass and gets people to think about our countries issues. (not just because I've been updating it for years and people like borrowing it for the theatre and feminist events.) it's just a very important topic to me.
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Feeling retarded cuz I misread and didn't realize you were asking for tutorials kek
Anyway what other nonnas said is true. These short "draw this shape then this shape then this shape here" tutorials are really not good unless you are an absolute beginner. It's much better to look at real pictures and find your own way of structuring forms and stylizing things, and not copy some other artist's sketching process.
Short textless single image "don't draw bad shape, draw good shape" tutorials are the ones that get shared around the most but art tutorials are only good if they have artist notes all over them
Same, I fully agree. One of my talented friends wasn't accepted to uni and it was because of her age and gender. My own brother in charge of admission told me as much. What's there to say..
Fuck. Them. All. Nothing matters anyway.
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Yeah a lot of the tutorials out there tended to be lacking in detail, which was why I started using irl references more to compensate. Funny enough, the board that I use on pinterest for art tutorials has a lot of screenshots from art books now that I think about it, so I was still using artbooks in some form.
I archive all of my stuff on an external harddrive. Things get snatched the internet way too often for me to not keep my own copy. >>1729207
Don't fall into temptation nonnacita. Trannies are a cult. They are highly jealous, entitled and autocannibalistic. The more you pander the more they'll wring you dry. Even if they think you're one of them, the second you slip up they'll be ready to cancel you. As trite as it sounds, be unapologetically yourself so you'll never have to work for someone else's validation. There's nothing to grift from troons except hollow validation. You can't suck money from a group that constantly wants handouts from the cis straights.
1st ayrt yeah I feel you, it’s always random Japanese Twitter and Pixiv artists who draw the most breathtaking arts of my obscure husbandos and then delete their accounts a month later. Not that that’s bad lol I do the same thing for the most part and upload anonymously through for NSFW and make accounts for some separate fandoms or mediums. >>1729207
Dumb idea anon, what if you’re recognized found out to just be lying? What would you say your motive was? You could say that you’re a gender enigma and they just don’t understand your super special gender but the cult could still eat you alive. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Yeah men absolutely know what women like, they just don't want to give them that because they
can't enjoy it. The "b-but the hulk is attractive to women isn't he??" thing is full on gaslighting, they know it's a male power fantasy and not eye candy for the women.>>1728924>Art is one of the few things humans do that is just creative joy and expressions of emotions, do people really not care about that?
Yes they do. Nobody pays for AI art. The only way you can sell it is to lie about making it by yourself, if you straight out said it was made by AI the value would be zero. So the people making a business out of it are grifters cheating people out of money, and the more they're exposed the more people learn to look out for them.
Not an interest, but someone into music myself. I'm also studying to be a software engineer. So my outlook at this is AI can be good for experimenting and creating prototypes, while an artist can turn the prototype into a final product. I used bing AI to generate some images for me since I can't afford to commission an artist at the moment, and while some of the results are decent, they're not good enough imo and the censorship on it limit the results. It doesn't draw fullbody images, it misunderstands some of my prompts, it generates hideous generic art sometimes in art styles I hate, and when it does work there's always one weird mistake, especially fingers ofcourse and weird ghost like entities in the background because it's probably trying to mimic artists drawing a character sheeg kek. It's retarded as hell and rarely gives me any actually impressive result, but I'll take what I got since it's free. Also communicating with a person about what I specifically want is 100000x easier than explaining it to AI because it keeps reinterpreting what I mean and creates different possibilities and most of them aren't what I want. And when it comes to commissioning, I can show you examples of what I want and you'd draw sketches to show me what you understood and we can work on refining it until I'm happy with it, AI doesn't do that, it stars all over again so the things I might have liked about a certain iteration would be removed and there's no way to tell it to keep it. It also has poor understanding of lighting and value when it comes to nighttime scenery with the moon or how water on the beach works etc. It's still not good enough yet imo and the reason is because it lacks any logic in its creation, it's just blind mimicry without understanding the fundamentals of what makes what what it is. And for music, I don't mind hearing AI generated music just to see what is it gonna come up with and if it can understand music theory since it's more mathematical than drawing. And if I like the sound of it I'd pirate it because no way I'm paying AI for music kek.
We’ll get a 4 hour Sarah Z video to play in the background while sketching on Procreate, that’s what. I say go for it nonnie
Were you pretty decent before you stopped? Sometimes you just need to get the muscle memories back and sometimes your brain needs that kickstart into how it visualizes on to the page. Just start out drawing goofy little things, don't try to do anything serious. Just get a feel of what drawing is like again and you might be able to quickly regain some better skills from past experience. >>1729624
Yes, but when you're going out of your way to use other people's art who didn't agree for their art to be put into a randomizer for your own selfish needs, that's different from just using someone's OP image as an example. I do not deal with AI. Any good artist who supports other artists won't use AI as a reference either. If the person who gives the example had enough time to fuck around in Mid to create some shitty example, they could've easily found something online from other artists instead to send me.
I’m guessing you are responding to me. Honestly I was okay, it wasn’t the worst but not the best either. It’s just super frustrating because I wish I didn't quit art, but oh well not much I can do about that. >>1729670
Glad I am not alone. It’s nice knowing there are others like me. I’m not too worried about not getting where I want to be in art, it’s just the whole beginner process that discourages me. I’ll check them out! Thanks nona!
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Oh yeah, no. It sucks at everything that's not color/style. I only use it to get quick dopamine by making husbando lewds and getting color/rendering ideas. It cant do anything genuinely interesting for shit, but it can give good ideas as to how approach a style, pic rel. I don't think it will ever be good enough to replace artists and real art either.
Is there specifically anything closer to 9-10 mm or lower? Even 10-11 mm is a little too big to me. My current tablet's stylus is ~11mm. Huion has a stylus that is 9.5 mm (Battery-free Slim Pen PW550S https://store.huion.com/products/battery-free-slim-pen-pw550s
) and it only works with specific tablets of theirs.>>1729915
I tried finding a grip for my current tablet stylus, but only saw this Plus Ergo Grip for Wacom Pro and Grip Pen Stylus on Amazon that is $30 that I wasn't ready to drop money for in case I disliked it. https://www.amazon.com/Plus-Ergo-Grip-Wacom-Stylus/dp/B0111LLPH8
I'm not sure what to look for in order to find grips that can fit something with a diameter of 11cm.
The Staedtler Noris Digital looks perfect but the compatibility list doesn't include much from the usual drawing tablet brands except the $300 wacom one which I'm not ready to shill out for. I'm not familiar with current tech prices, is there anything you know of that's <$50 from the list?
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>see epic art of husbando
>check out artist page
>linked nsfw account
>exclusively posts cuntboy content
Not on my watch>>1730044
Twitter and Instagram should be your go-tos. Tumblr is okay if you just want to post art but not build connections. ArtStation is purely for portfolio purposes. No one uses Bluesky.
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Winx the fate saga is getting a comic book continuation and it's ugly. Love how they made Musa, the chinese girl, another brown skinned girl.
That's what I wanna know too. I really, really
hope Vewn isn't a troon or even a troon-supporter.
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it's likely a holdover from slogans like picrel in the fat positivity community
They all look like they smelled a fart. Also black girl and the girl standing near her look like their faces are copy pasted, just flipped.
I hate Kim possible upper-lip-only design for mouths.
Glad I am not the only one. I also started to draw again and I am older than most here. My drawings are not good and I need to do lots of practice. I am drawing mostly once a month when I have the mood and time for it, because I know when I draw I wil get angry and frustrated. Also work can be very exhausting for me. So it takes even more time getting better.
It is sometimes so crushing seeing people 15 years younger than you drawing so much better, even though I know I should not compare myself to others I sometimes can not help it.
The fun thing is, no matter how angry I got or how long my break from drawing were, I always came back to it.
So I guess I just keep on practicing.
Samefag update she has a fetish for ftms
which explains alot. I would have expected this from a western artist but she’s chinese? Is troon shit that common in eastern countries?
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, same. Does anyone knows how to deal with anxiety related to that? learning that my favourite artist is the same age as me destroyed me, i am such an idiot but i cant help it.
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Don't compare a skill in a vacuum. Your lives have been different, your support and opportunities, your natural talents and time dedicated to training them. Just find pride in your other acheivements and accept the hand life dealt you, as long as you work to improve at your own pace there's nothing to be embarrassed about.
If you still feel frequent anxiety and guilt over indulging in a hobby or not being good at it (I used to) consider the possibility it may have external reasons. Pressure from family or work, a chemical imbalance, etc.
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anybody familiar with this tiktok famous (not my claim) artist devon rodriguez? this guy named ben davis (@benstoppable from the screenshots) wrote an article about him and pointed out that his fame was more from marketing and staged content and less from actual skill, highlighting the trend of "influencer art". devon was offended about it and sicced his followers to attack the writer. i know nothing about him, but what an insecure manbaby lmao. judging from the stories he posted he seems insufferable.
imo i think the writer has a point. there are more talented artists that are being overshadowed by people who simply know how to exploit the algorithm. even devon himself admits to exploiting the algorithm.
link to the articles: https://news.artnet.com/opinion/devon-rodriguez-painter-tiktok-underground-2373157https://news.artnet.com/opinion/devon-rodriguez-parasocial-aesthetics-2380960
anyway this isn't super milky but the news was recommended to me on google so i just thought i'd share. what do you guys think of devon's art? is it worth the manufactured hype? personally, i hate that you need to stage shit or churn out content constantly just to get your art out there. this system rewards those who can churn out viral content and not people with genuine talent and skill. it's pretty demotivating for artists and now social media is inundated with artists hopping on bandwagons just for a scrap of clout. i'm sick of seeing artists spend 90% of their time making memes and content and 10% actually making art. they're not even good or funny.
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Sorry for beginner question. I have ~5 copic markers that I love but I can't really afford to buy a full set right now, are there any good alternatives? I've tried a few other alcohol markers but I feel like none of them could blend as well as the brush tip of copics.
on Twitter. I’m a huge Zenosfag
so it pains me to see otherwise good art of him ruined by her degeneracy.
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Hi nonas could someone please help me translate this SAI pen into English? I’ve been trying to decipher from the context but I’ve never even seen pens with those geometrical shapes in the thumbnail. Any help is much appreciated, thanks.
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This is what the actual pen looks like in practice btw.
it is a "scatter pen" found under the "Basic" tab in SAI2's pen selection.
I am curious to make it myself and see if it works! Game changer if so - I love SAI to pieces but it's lacking in the brush department for sure.
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Thanks nonas, I managed to crack it! Here you are (picrel), I highly recommend. If it feels too soft or too hard you simply adjust the brush size. What a hidden gem!
I've tried copics and ohuhu and tbf copics are worth every single penny
i'd recommend buying from japanese websites through a proxy, copic sketch markers are like 3$ there, the priceup is insane
i remember getting the basick 36 copic sketch set for like 110-120$ from a japanese seller
What an interesting brush, thanks for sharing nonnie
! Where did you find it? Are there more?
, it's from the linked tweet but to the best of my scrolling I can't find any more brush recommendations from the artist. Like I said, a rare gem kekhttps://x.com/_MiGrush_/status/1715372492276281608?s=20
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wtf happened to artstation? they used to be a professional site (I believe)
I decided to check the front page and there are straight-up nude "references" that literally nobody is using for fucking drawing.
Taken from their own guidelines, about content that is not allowed o the front page:
"We generally will moderate artwork that:
Is of a sexual nature - even if only partial, suggested or even if no nudity is shown,
Objectifies women - a lot of cleavage, under-boob, underskirt, work that is intended to titillate. It doesn't matter if there is no nudity - if sexuality or intent to titillate is there, we moderate it"
forgot to spoiler kek
Incoming Copic sperg. They were my main medium before I went digital.
If you live in America, sites like MerrieArtist are good places to buy Copics as they're pretty cheap and have frequent sales. I hear Ohuhu markers are a decent alternative but like >>1732506
said, no other brands really compare. Ohuhu is the most common alternative only because they have every other YT pop artist shilling them for free stuff. If you really want to look into other brands, Windsor and Newton Brushmarkers (formerly Promarkers I think) have smoother, higher-quality ink, but they're not as cost-effective as they're disposable and feel cheaper. I'm also not sure they're even being sold anymore. There are also Prismacolor Premiers, the big Copic alternative when I was still doing traditional art. They're okay and come in a good range but aren't refillable either. Blick Studio markers are refillable and have quality ink, but have a smaller color range, stiffer tips, and are kind of a pain in the ass to get unless you're buying in bulk. Copics are still the best general option for markers unless you're jobless or a kid with no money. If you're really struggling, there's no shame in getting the Ciao variety instead. They have the same tips as the Sketches but hold a little less ink. A single bottle of refill ink will last you years unless you're using them for several large illustrations every day.
You do NOT need the entire 300-something set or even half of all the colors to meet your needs. The color system is kind of silly in that there are several virtually identical shades and weird gaps in the range. Take your time, buy a few markers here and there and you'll have as many as you need in no time. I'd prioritize neutrals like the greys as well as colors you'll a lot. They layer nicely but don't blend like paint or ink does, you might want to look up tutorials for color combos to get the effects you want. Japanese copic artists and ironically enough Western scrapbookers, fine artists and cardmakers are some of the best English-language resources for learning coloring. I'd stay away from younger Western artists as they tend to approach Copics as if they were fancy Crayolas.
Don't bother with the second-darkest grey tones or the black Copics. If you want to cover large areas in pure black Faber-Castell makes a fat brush pen with super dark, lightfast ink. You can also use black ink and a paintbrush.
Markers in general make a good base for dry multimedia, especially colored pencils and chalk pastels. You can also use colored pencils to line on top if you don't want them to be too harsh or dark. White paint, ink, and white-out are also great for stark white highlights, stars, sparkles, etc.
No weeb, but my favorite way to ink marker illustrations is with manga dip pens, purely because I like having control over the ink I use and hate having to draw over it again after erasing my pencils. Depending on the bounciness of the nib, you also have better control over line weight in single strokes without having to go back and create it. Normal G-nibs can go from almost hair-thin to a few mm thick in a stroke. You don't need anything fancy, either. A single comfortable nib holder and a pack of G-pen will set you back less than 20 dollars. If you do try it, make sure the ink you're using is marker-proof, try to ink from your non-dominant hand side down from top to bottom, keep the curve of the nib facing up, and use paper as smooth as possible so fibers don't clog the nib.
Sakura Microns are a popular and affordable choice, but you really can't go wrong with anything labeled for finelining. The only 'good' ones I'm not a fan of are Copic's metal-bodied liners. For some reason the ink has never flowed consistently for me, but YMMV. Most felt-tipped pens will fade a little after erasing, so keep that in mind. I've heard Rotoring and fountain pens are the best of both dip and fineliners, but those are expensive hobbies in themselves and take just as much if not more maintenance than Copics and dip pens combined.
If there's a specific shade of marker you want but can't find, just make it yourself. It's really easy and there are tutorials online. Test the color recipe with a cotton swab then fill and label your marker.
Do NOT listen to any cheapskate who recommends "refilling" Copics with rubbing alcohol or colorless blender. If the marker is dried out or running out of ink, just get a refill. They only cost a little more than a Sketch and are well worth it.
Copic discontinued their larger bottles of Various Ink a few years ago, but if you come across any overstock for a decent price (no more than 10-12 USD per unit) I can't recommend buying them enough. I started using Copics a decade ago and I'm not even halfway done with some of my most used colors. It's also handy to have a bottle of the colorless blender handy for special effects.
If you're serious about Copics I also recommend getting a cheap food or jewelry scale for refills. A full Sketch should be around 14 grams and Ciao around 10 (with both caps removed). I also suggest refilling them with the nibs on rather than dripping ink straight into the barrel. It takes a little longer, but you'll have much more control over how much goes in. Overfilled Copics can lead to gumming and crystalization, which basically ruins the marker if it reaches the barrel. There are tutorials online for how to fix it if it's only the tip, but if it's already inside of the marker you're better off replacing it.
The clear blender is a bit misleading. Copics have a reputation for being 'blendable', but in order to achieve smooth gradients from two unrelated colors you'll need in-between shades. What the blender is best at is pushing in small sections of ink or fixing minor mistakes. I've seen artists use it as a base coat for blending like you would use water for wet-on-wet watercolor, but that technique doesn't work on all types of paper. You can also facilitate blending with colored pencils laid over the top.
Speaking of paper, the general marker paper is thicker and smoother. Some papers labeled as "Marker" or "Manga" paper aren't always the best options. Softer and textured papers soak up ink like mad and don't blend very well. No matter what you pick you'll still need some scrap paper underneath to catch any bleed through. Thicker papers like vellum and smooth cardstock bleed less often but aren't completely immune, so you'll need scrap paper underneath your work to catch it. If you're really anal about using both sides of the paper, Cresent makes sketchbooks with pages that basically have a sheet of plastic layered in between. Some artists swear by the brand, but I'm not a fan of the grey tint. Copic themselves make 5 or 6 different styles of paper specifically made for their markers. I'm not sure if it's sold stateside as I bought mine from Japan years ago, but you can try looking on eBay, Amazon, or Amazon.jp. The best imho is the purple Premium Bond paper. I also rec X-Press It Blending Card and Hannemule Vellum paper but you pretty much can't go wrong with any decent, smooth bristol or cardstock.
You probably already know this but like with most art markers, Copics are dye-based and are not lightfast. Not a big deal if you're gonna keep your work in folders and sketchbooks, but if you want to display your pieces at all consider making copies or prints. I wouldn't even display original marker pieces with UV fixative. Remember that these pens were designed to be used on quick, disposable illustrations and then copied. That's where the name comes from. Even manga artists adopted them after the fact.
I can't think of any other tips off the top of my head, but Copics aren't as overhyped as their reputation claims. They're a beautiful and fun medium, you just have to be realistic with what they can do. 20 years of preteens on DA and YT shitting their pants over Copics have given them kind of a bad rap. In Japan, they're seen as just another art medium used by kids, adults, pros and hobbyists alike. Ciaos Even have vents in the cap to keep children from choking on them. They're nicer than most Western markers but they're not these glamorous, secret manga tools of the Far East. I hope you have fun building your collection, nonna.
Thanks! I didn't even think about checking Japanese websites kek. Hopefully I can find a good deal>>1732716
anon thank you so much for this!! It sounds like we use a lot of the same supplies and you've given me so many good tips! I've always been a little intimidated by dip pens for some reason but you've just motivated me to try them out, you make them sound very fun kek. And I've noticed the same problem with Copic pens. I assumed I just got ones that had been used for a lot of samples or something because they always felt "weak" but maybe they are just not very good. I'm definitely saving this post especially for your refilling and paper type guides. Seriously, you're amazing ♥
Markers looks different than watercolor, I can't be bothered to always have watercolor supplies like bottles and brushes with me and I have the money to spend. Simple as that nonnie
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Cover your watercolor water then nonnie
you don't want your cat Turning autistic
Lavendertowne has always been a "muh cartoony artstyle" type artist. I still kek at her first attempt of drawing one of her character's in a "realistic" style but she just drew a 100% anime girl.
I honestly wonder if it's really her skill level or if she just really doesn't care about the quality of the art she churns for her videos. The lineart speedpaint in the second drawing of your vidrel (kek at the legs) doesn't even look like bad skills it looks like she didn't give a single shit.
Vidrel here honestly amazed me. Only one character out of three looks even passable, the others look like crap. And this is a sponsored
video. It makes me wonder if it's actually a Stacy move to get a huge gaming company to pay you for some crappy art like that.
To become a popular youtube artist, you have to have a style that looks possible for a beginner to achieve, and she has that. Explains why artists like Holly Brown, Baylee Jae, and Drawingwiffwaffles (who I think has a wonderful style, but she comes across as a hobby artist) got huge. Beginner, casual, and younger artists usually don't follow professional, highly skilled artists on youtube because their art looks intimidating and impossible to achieve. Usually other pro and serious artists follow these types. This excludes purely art tutorial channels like Proko, because he comes across as a teacher, not a fellow aspiring artist. If you want to make money as a youtuber, attracting casuals and teens is the key. And once you have a huge following, you get sponsorships, it doesn't matter if your art is shit.
It kind of sucks for a youtube artist that is professional, but not the best of the best. You get ignored from both sides. My favorite youtube artist is Joysan and I feel she falls into this category.
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Does anyone have advice for when you're creatively bankrupt due to depression? I want to get back into art for real and make it a side hustle, before I've just doodled for my own enjoyment, but I find I don't even enjoy it. I feel an itch to draw so I use that to just study, I'm really interested in anatomy like the bones and muscles, but pieces on this turn out soulless and dead because my empty mind can't shit out any creativity so I don't like the results, and don't know what would fix it apart from trying to get medicated or something which I only want to be a last resort.
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you could try uploading your studies to twitter. I know me and many other artists love to see them
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Been in the mood for some fine art gossip because I saw some artist on instagram post about Anna Weyant so I read about her a bit. I mean am I crazy or is her art not mostly just "pin-up but with a twist" genre? (Remind me a bit of other RISD grads who do work in a similar vein). I find the paintings very well done, she's talented, really good at tones and it's clear she studied her sources. But like, the female defendants falling over themselves about how those paintings are so deeply relatable about their experiences of growing up as a women just confuse me. Am I missing something? Maybe it's just not my culture but being I just cannot relate that way to them at all. Also the way they feel like they need to "defend" her when she's already a millionaire now, it's a bit ridiculous.
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Maybe i am low iq, but i dont get modern fine art. How tf am i supposed to get that painting of a chuuby lady smiling is supposed to mean anything? it honestly looks like a study, lol. I have seen animu artists more ambitious than that. Fine art of women always gives me the creeps, for me a moid buying this shit is no difference than a less rich coomer weeb scrote commissioning some loli porn off skeb. This one actually reminds me of that gross pedo Balthus, and how he tried to pass his softcore child pornography paintings as high art.
>>1734036>supposed to mean anything?
Art doesn’t need to mean
something. Does non-modern portraits mean
something? No, usually they don’t. And “looks like a study” is so baffling that it could be a whole another discussion, but I don’t see a point, so whatever
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Oh, I hadn't seen that she also painted girls that young. Yeah it's not as blatant as Balthus but I see what you mean. A bit before her current work the Currin influence (who does satirical work that often gets a quite weird and neurotic about women) was a bit stronger and she painted women like in the pic I posted… and like… is this clever commentary on the objectification of women because she looks scared or is she just literally turning women into blow-up dolls while offering up their tits to ogle? If anything it feels cruel, I could not imagine painting a woman like this. I feel like if a man painted this everybody would hate it out but since it's a female painter it's stunning feminist art.
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>tfw finally starting to understand anatomy
feels good. For any other nonna i circled through many books and, at least for me, the best anatomy books are morpho suplemented with anatomy for sculptors.
Could you tell us a bit more about yourself/art? Like, what about doing anatomy studies do you find the most difficult, what are your art goals, what subjects do you enjoy, that sort of thing.
I think the key to better drawing from observation is knowing how to simplify and break down whatever it is you're looking at– is that what you're having trouble with?
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I don’t know if this is a good thread to ask, but is it possible to use a cheap desktop computer like this or a mac mini to run Clip Studio or Photoshop just for digital art?
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>>1734022>>1734036>>1734054>big tits>underage girl
Yeah, I can see why the male gatekeeping fine art bros let her in. Not impressed.
Picrel is an artist I came across recently. She draws the generic pretty girl, but her mastery of paint is what's really impressive to me. She can paint in acrylics, oils, and watercolor, and keep a consistent saturation of color and style.https://youtube.com/shorts/xGMDx3CUnvg?si=SxWm0Gc3_lSkapbU
(sorry, don't know how to make youtube shorts embed)
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I'm going to hunt down the Hoyoverse employee who started this god awful trend of pale blue women across all of their games and commit unspeakable things to that good for nothing coomer shell of a human being because it is perhaps the worst internal design trend I have ever seen from a company in my life
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My ultimate goal is comics but even starting small with 4koma is too much for me. I have a really hard time motivating myself in general so I can only bear to sit down and draw maybe once every few weeks, if that. My observational skills and visual library are so weak I need refs for almost everything, usually photos I take of myself and my bf. I don't have aphantasia, but I do have trouble keeping images still in my brain long enough to focus on them. Even though I don't draw regularly I do notice a jump in skill every once in a while. It might be because I do a lot of imaginary drawings in my head. Sometimes all I have to do is look at something and it will finally "click" as if it's been added to my inventory.
Figure drawing still mystifies me. Even fast stuff. I can't wrap my head around getting gestures down accurately and every resource I look at may as well be picrel to me. It doesn't help that I'm avoidant with drawing subjects I'm not totally interested in even though I know I'll need to if I want to draw comics. If anyone knows any starting-from-nothing tutorials on figure drawing, please share.
i have both books and i agree, but i also want to add the Stonehouse Anatomy book for even more in-depth detail too. Morpho felt kind of vague and blobby at first but once i understood where and what all the muscles were, it really started to come together.
You mean she's 27 and waiting for her mummified meal ticket to kick the bucket so she'll be set for life? >>1734473
Not gonna lie, I was tempted to do the same after fooling around with Bing's generator for a few minutes and I know I'm not alone. I'm too paranoid to actually go through with it.
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oh shit, looked these two up (only know her from the cover of a book) and that is insane. also, I guess fucking a mega-gallery owner and art dealer answers all those questions upstream about why she's so famous and rich. damn. I'll never believe anything money can buy is worth tolerating gouty old man cock (and a reputation as a whore who bought her fame by tolerating gouty old man cock) but I guess she would beg to differ.
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how would you go about designing monster women that dont look porny, but still female? i am trying to design a female jason for a game but i cannot come up with something good and original
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I'd say just make a monster and call it a she. Adding boobs and female body proportions can make it seem porny if done in specific shapes ans sizes, so go with more realistic boob shapes and sizes and body proportions, or extremely exaggerated ones like saggy long boobs dragging on the ground and an extremely thin waist that pushes organs to the wrong side and causes deformity etc. Or give her an extremely ugly face that is unmistakably female with long shappy frail hair. You can also make her pretty but with one thing off like something up with her eyes or mouth or nose etc. I'm not familiar with Jason though so I can't give any ideas for that. Picrel is an example of an exaggerated female figure and face for horror sake without being porny imo.
Where are you getting stuck? Why do they have to be so visibly female that you worry about it looking too porny? If a woman dressed up as Jason most people would still see it's a woman through overall body shape, so it sounds like maybe you're focusing too hard on the "being female" aspect rather than making a monster that happens to be female.
But if you want it to be visibly female, maybe play with stereotypes but make them scary. How about a confectionery baker, expected to be sweet but she kills people and bakes with their body parts. Grumpy old kindergarten teacher who sees everyone as misbehaving children who must be punished. Cat loving woman who wants to preserve all cats and people through taxidermy, forcing them all into staying in her deluded "wholesome" taxidermy scenes forever.
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Samefagging to add another example, circe from generator rex, who is a pretty girl with a dark ugly secret.
>>1735636>just make a monster and call it a shepresses button
"How do you create a troon?"
did I do it, did I win jeopardy???
sorry bad joke kek
Thanks for the ideas! The overall idea of the game is a Hotline Miami esque game where you play as the killer in an 80s slasher. And it's heavily, if not a rip-off, inspired on the friday 13th franchise. The thing is, since it's my first game and i struggle with commitment i want to slip in some self indulgent stuff and turn it into a reverse ryona game
so i mostly want the killer to resemble a woman for self inserting reasons. I am basically struggling to find a middle ground between a cool woman and something monster-like without making soemthing that would be serviceable to men.>>1735640
this is cool, saving.
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Jason is basically just a big, strong guy in a mask, right? I wouldn't overthink it. I think Huntress from Dead By Daylight is a nice example. She's tall, strong and wears a mask, with a similar aura of mystery about her. I really like her design, and if you google you can check out her different cosmetics for more inspiration.
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nonnas how do you deal with despising your own art? ive been posting my stuff online, and despite finding some success (decent like to follow ratio, etc) every time i look at my profile i just want to delete everything and go back to the drawing board. anyone else feel like this? how did you get over intense shame?
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nonnies who have an art account, got any tip for someone who wants to start one? i dont plan on turning it into a business, i just want to share my art and promote my(future) game. I have been drawing for myself for around 3 years now, and my goal for next year is to push myself and start posting my art publicly.
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I swear to god, is every woman artist under the age of 30 a they/them? I've been looking for more YouTube sppedpaint commentary type videos to listen to in the background while I'm doing my own drawing and I've gone through like 7 so far and each and every one of them is a "she/they/them". I know I'm probably creating my own misery by looking on YouTube but fuck man, it's just insane how it seems to be the case that every young woman artist who makes videos "iDeTiFiEs" as a "she/they/them"
I know it's easy to ignore because as it's not like they're thinking they are men but it's still just irks me that this is the state of the online art world for the young'ins these days. Like I'm sure it really is a contingent like trend where these girls are getting influenced by each other with this bullshit but I'd wish there wee more who didn't buy into this stuff and just be happy with who they are.
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Does the AI thread in /m/ depress anyone else? Some of those picture look like human-made art.
How can real artists compete when we put hours of hard work, research and sketches into a project and then someone gets something similar by writing a few prompts?
Yes, the AI thread depresses me.
But at the same time, the final product doesn't matter. What should be fun is doing the drawing it self, not just seeing how it looks when it's finished. The joy of drawing is something ai cannot give to anybody. This is probably a pretty autistic way of seeing it but it's what I feel kek
As an avid user of AI, this is a dream come true for me. I've always had so much stuff I wanted to draw, but I can't draw at all no matter how much I insisted to learn.
Finally, I don't have to envy people who did nothing to achieve their natural talent in drawing. (Don't give me all that "I practice and took courses" bullshit. Those mean less than zero if you simply aren't born with talent for drawing.)
I like looking at them because they're fun but they're not the same as created art and I think a lot of people agree. It's just something pretty to look at but not to admire. Human error and choice is what makes art expressive, not rendermaxxing and doing what's basically a retelling of someone else's work. You can definitely tell that they were made by a soulless machine.>>1737669>>1737674
Agree. Fast fashion is a thing but it didn't take away design and high fashion, and more information about its unethical practices has really soured its reputation and now it's seen as trashy. If anything it has increased the value of legitimate design work.
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I'm happy you posted this, I wanted to post something similar but I didn't really know how to put it into words.
I find that thread so depressing too. I think AI is really going to do/is doing a number on creative sectors–drawing/painting, animation, writing, music. It's going to suck, people are going to use it instead of supporting artists. You cannot convince me otherwise what with the leaps and bounds in quality it takes every day, because so many people use it, so it is constantly improving.
These developments have made me realize that I still was harboring dumb dreams of making things and getting money for them. I'm having to restructure my thinking a bit and find the determination to make things for myself again, so I guess in a way it's good, it's just hard right now. I have not been a fan of much recent art anyway, so I'm not sure why it bothers me so much, but it does.
Sorry for the ramble. Picrel my favourite AI art from the threads
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The type of art i like is immune to AI shittery, pic rel. But it still bothers me that AI was made by stealing from artists and that no one seems to give a shit about it. It feels deeply scummy and it actually scares me that big companies can get away with something that's so widely known.
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I just wanted to share this because I like it a lot
I think on top of the normal sad feelings we get upon seeing skillful work automated, a lot of people get extra depressed because of sunk cost, their own and also others'. This is going to reduce a lot once the new generations grow up in a world where AI illustration is a given, the same way people reee'd at 3D modeling and now that just sounds silly. Plain illustration is a mechanical skill, so quite a few low-paying illustration jobs will be lost to it, but I don't think art as we give a fuck about will go away.
Also, I do think "AI art" as a novelty capable of outputting the dreamlike things that sound really cool in people's heads - like those writing prompts you'd see on tumblr with a ton of "omg that would be so cool i'd totes read it" reblogs that you know
wouldn't get that many readers if turned into a real story with thousands of words - is going to be big for a while, it's already a sort of genre in itself. People really love to consoom "cool concepts", and unlike written stories, images are very quick and easy to consoom. I wonder what comes after that…
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@cyjalway sadly all of the anatomy driven animu artists seem to be male coomers, although i really like pic rel @Af_Cf_
I rember how when i started drawing and posting on /ic/ the crabs there used to mock me for actually studying anatomy and not just rendermaxxing, now AI can rendermaxx super well but cant do a simple anime girl with good anatomy and nice lineart lol
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Can I have a character design advice please? I want to draw a cute guys doing cute things sort of comic with a sci-fi spin but I can't draw anime bishies for shit. On other hand I want to avoid tumblr sexymen looking motherfuckers. Basically I want the characters to cater to the audience as much as possible without looking like a try hard so their appeal feels natural.
Idk how to put it but what's dos and don'ts about drawing cute guys.
Sure there is like an article or some sort source of resource on good and bad design choices.
I know everyone have different tastes and I can't make a character that would be universally liked but I want to avoid the pitfalls of making my characters too niche.
Came here to say basically what >>1738730
said. To piggyback off that, look for things you're into and work them into the characters. It's like how people say you can hear someone smiling over the phone, in a way. If you're drawing what you like then it will show in the end product, but if you're forcing yourself to draw something you can't find a single reason to think is attractive, then that will come through as well. Also maybe it sounds goofy but fashion magazines and runways can be a good resource to find both things that work and figure out why some things don't work.
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Just last year AI tech bros stuffed Kim Gung Ji's art into Dall-E right after he died and the output wasn't even that terrible. Bad but not terrible and I hate to imagine how much better it has gotten at copying linework like what Anon posted >>1738131
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Not gonna lie, I saw this image in the AI thread just now and was surprised at how decent it looked. Obviously there are little fuckups all over the pic, but it looks like something I would save to my pinterest board. In fact, I'm sure I have seen something like this on pinterest.
Anyway, the AI stuff is very sad to look at but I don't think it hits me as hard as it does for other people because the type of "art" I make is physical and can't be replicated by machine. I feel especially terrible for people who make a living off of their drawings/paintings. There are still non-artists who value the work of actual artists over the "work" of someone who just typed a few words into a program, if that makes anyone feel better.
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all is see is excuses for why poor little you can't possibly ever put in the effort to learn something, like it simply can't just be that you're just lazy and unwilling to put in the effort. No the effort must be meaningless and do nothing for you specifically!
"Talent" only leads to drawing like the left, effort led to the right. That's the whole difference.
These are just based off of my experiences, but I hope it helps a little.
Keep your account impersonal, and solely about your art / game, if you make comments about things, have them be only related to art. There are some real fucking schizos out there who think they're entitled to knowing who you are.
Post consistently, but don't force yourself to have to do so every day, break things up, share WIPS on days you might not have something.
If you know you like to draw fanart, pre-emptively block the biggest spergs in your scene or anyone with pronouns / flags, otherwise disregard this. Don't get involved in any kind of "discourse."
Good luck nonna! I hope I see your game out there someday.
I've been drawing all my life just for fun, enjoying making lines and circles and bright colours together. >>1737644
resonated with me. my art is not "good," i don't study, my technical skill improves very slowly over years. That's ok for me. Idc about popularity, likes, or being worth money. But today I'm wondering if you can see the ""soul"" in my drawings, what everyone says is most important. Is this something you can tell about your own art? I think I know when I see it in others but not sure about mine. How do you know? What do you look for? Sorry for being ESL also
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My excuse for not improving my drawings is that I simply don't see the point because no one sees it. I hate when people tell me "draw for yourself, draw for fun" damn how stupid that is, if I drew only for those reasons I wouldn't even bother publishing them on the internet. I want people to see my drawings, I want them to tell me if I'm improving or not, I want to know that someone likes what I do. Spending hours devoting time to a drawing only to receive no atention is frustrating and I do accept the fact that I envy those low-effort artists who get a lot of interaction and attention.
I'm already in a confrot zone where I don't even bother to finish what I'm doing.
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i am on the opposite side, i feel like my art isn't worth looking at and i am ashamed of it so i just grind and grind and i dont show anyone my art
Some people create because they enjoy showing others and have a message to put out, some create for the joy of creating. Both are ok, neither is wrong. Most people are a mix of the two.
It's like with everything else people do, why knit if you can buy a shirt at the store? Why work out when you can stay comfy in your sofa?
I post my art online but I definitely am the one to create mostly for myself. Take me to a beach and I'll be drawing in the sand, no one will ever see it but me but I still enjoy doing it
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People who complain about hands being hard to draw havent fought the real final boss of art yet
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I envy autistic artists that are really good at drawing. The things i like to draw are too autistic, so i would never post them online out of shame. I feel envy of artists like memphiles(the spongebob demon husbandofag) or Simon, who draw extremely niche stuff but get followed regardless because their skills make up for the concentrated tism.
I don't know if you've noticed, but it's lately been some fellow poc
who has this pedestal idea about their own art, but then you look at it and it's the ugliest, obviously model-traced, un-stylized and un-interesting art that they produce, but they think they can critique others on their actual stylized and interesting character designs. I don't know why these artists are like this, but it's as if they think they get a free pass in saying that is good and bad and not get called out for it just being jealous. If these artists can't find a reason that your art is bad, they will give you the Rebecca Sugar harassment about old art and try to find some weasley way to get you canceled.
you know some people take to things easier than others, right? What if you trained day in and day out in a sport and you got better, but only marginally? Now there is someone else who starts up halfway through your training and starts outpacing you, did they just train harder even though you've been doing it longer?
People need to stop conflating "same style" with "its all the same".
Viv's characters are all drawn with the same style
- which makes sense artists often have a style. They don't randomly put one style of character next to another without reason. Her art is characterized by characters being thin, lanky, longer limbs, etc.
But each of those designs is visually different. It's okay to just not like how someone creates or draws characters it doesn't have to mean anything is wrong or bad about it just because you personally don't like it.
side note I'm tired of people concerned trolling "This must be a nightmare to animate" as if complex designs are incapable of being animated. As long as the animators get paid and compensated properly for doing the animation it shouldn't matter how complex or simple character designs are.
a huge part of this is poor representation of women in media. In so much media they just dont have realistic characterization which leads any realistic portrayal of a woman to be seen as alien and wrong. I've never felt male characters were relatable but when I started making my own stories I realized I'd create more male characters than female. Because for the longest time I put them in a box of having to fulfill some trope personality wise that makes them devoid of all character and exist only as a caricature. Men are the ones in media that have "emotions" women are just a side piece. Even in hero stories where the male hero has a love interest, the love interest is only given character at the importantance of his characterization.
While there definitely is media you can find that give women more human characterization, the majority is just female standees that follow certain tropes.
One of the few examples I can think of that doesn't follow this is Sarah connor in terminator 2 judgement day.
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Is coom truly the only way? this guy has 600k followers and makes 15k on patreon
I skimmed the video so I might have missed something because there is only so much beginner-level dribble I can listen to about shape language while criticizing something as having "bad shape language" that actually has decent shape language by all intents of what shape language is.
It's so frustrating and annoying. Shape language isn't just using rounds for certain characters, rectangles for others, etc. it's talking about how shapes- of all forms- can make a character. Yet they treat it as "this artist/designer has bad shape language because their characters are all drawn within the same style."
Can we put a FAQ for question like these >>1740452
No nonna, the market is oversaturated
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She only really has tutorials in the form of "how to paint" books but a favorite watercolor artist of mine is stephanie pui-mun law. You can find her work on shadowscapes.com Shes super skilled and creates such surreal ethereal works. Truly amaster of her craft, imo.
This too has been discussed in the last few threads (although I'd forgive you if you forgot the last time it was due to the "slappable balls" incident)
but TLDR:>there is a gap for femgaze content, sure>but it will be drowned out>and/or attract TiMs, TiFs and gay men (cf. Kaneoya Sachiko, with whom TiFs go rabid and want to skin walk japanese Will Graham)
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Anyone interested in an art study thread? to share resources, guides, discuss books/courses, etcs. I really hate that /ic/ is the only places to discuss art that's not a shitcord, and i don't wanna go back to it because i can't take the crabbing anymore. I am willing to make a lc-exclusive(lol) pastebin, i got some resources i refuse to share with /ic/ because i hate them, mostly obscure japanese channels and small twitter accounts that share very useful art tips.
This one is a bit dead but fits >>>/m/119195>>1740473
Anons are just obsessed and looking for any excuse not to draw. You can argue with your imagination forever, at the end of the day no one will be attracted to your femgaze porn because you won't have drawn any
I'm trying to picture this because I want to do it too. Do you mean like for example drawing a triangle to create the form and proportions of a bent arm/legs positioning? Or simplifying the limbs, torso etc as basic shapes?
I'm not sure what's the problem, but proportions are the hardest aspect of artwork for me. The 8 heads tall canon is impossible, but 7.5 and 7.2 are ridiculous looking when I work with them too. Artists that can really push shapes and make interesting figures are cool, but the skilled ones come from a background of studying realistic figures. I read that proportions in illustrations and manga is adaptive so an epic scene might make a 9 heads figure or a glamorous cover illustration might make the legs 1/3 longer so is far from rigid.
My saltiness is when males make their characters beyond disproportionate and it doesn't matter. They don't care at all and create characters that are just a pile of titties, ass and thighs then enjoy the coom and the success.
Am I pushing too hard on adhering to a canon of proportions and anatomical believability? It's a huge pain in the ass trying to, it doesn't look beautiful or quality, but neither does the other!
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her work is beautiful, thank you anon>>1740500
there are some products like that in japan, ink/dye/watercolor based markers, I have pic related, a 90 set of brushmakers and they're a dream to color with, you can create a lot of beautiful effects
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found this guy on youtube who does some amazing copic works and I love that he shares all the colors he uses
I remember years ago western artists gatekeeping information like what colors and liners or materials they use. I think some still do it today lol.
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How do I draw handsome men without them looking too cute? I wish I could draw anime boys like male mangakas >>1740802
Higher cost of living in the west and probably the hustle culture
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>>1740802> Asking an artist for their brust settings used to be like pulling teeth up
kek you unlocked a memory, they'd straight up ignore you
the CSP market and pixiv resources blew my mind when I discovered them, the price for some CSP resources is dirt cheap and quality so good compared what westerners sold on gumroad or other websites>>1740825
cute Geto! > How do I draw handsome men without them looking too cute?
I started drawing men a little while ago , I have experience drawing cute/sexy girls mostly.
Here's some stuff that I hope helps.
To illustrate my point I have chosen the fine specimen that is Toji as an example for a very handsome and buff man.
- proportions: I'd aim for the guy to be 8 heads tall rule and have a slim to wide frame, based on your preference
- broader shoulders
- muscles, unless you like sticc guys
- don't make his hips too narrow!
- facial proportions: eyes should be smaller and wider (Geto is a really good example, he has fox eyes) , mouth should be wider , nose longer and I'd avoid the V shape face, make them have a jawline
I can't stress how important face shape and facial proportions are , it makes or breaks a character , there were some tutorials/books on how to draw handsome men, I'll search and come back to update this post.
And also one of the best tips I can give is STUDY! find fanarts you love and break them down, try to redraw them and learn from there, this helps more than some people realize.
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and a Gojo, even if his eyes are bigger, the face shape and his body proportions heavily change how he's perceived, very hansamu~
to add to my previous post: if you see any manga panel you like or anime screenshot, try to redraw it, it's fun practice
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, try replicating picrel, it's official art too
I had the same problem when I switched from drawing kawaii girls to more mature characters, my hand was automatically set on the cutesy proportions, it went away with practice
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Probably not the right thread for this but I tried drawing him again and it still looks off. I can't put my finger on what's wrong
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I liked the part of the thread with interesting western artists, so I'll try to recreate that here. Picrel is from Venommoe on twitter. I like his artstyle though I think he talks a lot on twitter lol. I tolerate it, since it's just shit posting and it's not getting into unnecessary arguments with other people.
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The right eye is too far to the right here, it makes the face look off. I went into ibispaint, just moved it more to the left, and it looks a lot better
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try the golden ratio plus references of male models you like, i usually draw women so i like my men to be a blend of both masculine and female features
Came here to ask what everyone thinks of ibis paint. Is it worth to pay for the sub?
I can't justify buying an iPad and I have a small xp pen screen tablet but I want something on the go and my current Android tablet can handle ibis paint nicely.
Any brush recs are welcome
Is CSP good on tablets?
said TIMs don't look up femgaze art like TIFs do so this is such stupid mental pretzeling. If scrotes like your art then it's moidgaze and pandering to TIMs who are (usually heterosexual) male, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
>At least het moids fap to pussy and tits and fuck off.
This is such a gross mindset kek, in a million years I'd rather have an Aiden enjoy what I do than a scrote cooming to it.
The rape threats are coming from tranny scrotes, nonna. Not aidens. Aidens will make a callout bitching you out but the moid trannies are the ones who attack women for not liking girl dick. Reading comprehension. >>1741814
If I had to pick one or the other, I'd rather ignore fapping hetero scrotes than be forced to pander to trannies. Scrotes will fap to anything so it can't be helped unless you only post to a private vetted community of confirmed women.
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i don't know where you get that easterners are less coomerish. You have hentai artists posting about studying loomis/hampton sandwiched in between their big titty anime girls being fucked by tentacles. I think this is just the outcome of art having 0 value in modern society. Before you could find tons of artis making stuff for magazines/postcards/comics/movie posters/ads etc, now most artists who want to be professional artists have very limited options and all of them are nerd-adjacent, like concept art and animation. This leads to most artist being purely passion-driven coomer nerds.
I prefer cheaper 'mixed-media' sketchbooks made of hot-pressed paper (less texture), as I use either a 0.05 mechanical pencil or same-size fine-liner pen to draw/sketch. I also like to colour my pen drawings with gouache or watercolours or my one copic brush pen. Also do digital.
(I hate good quality sketchbooks because I get too anxious that I'll fuck them up somehow kek)
What subjects do you draw? I mostly draw figures and critters
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The new 52 swamp thing is very visually unique! The first Scott Snyder run isnt horrible, but it really gets better with Charle Soule`s run
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Nonnies how do you learn to render better? Like how do most Chinese artists always choose the chrome pastel palette for the paintings? I really want to replicate it but my work looks more faded than vibrant like picrel,I really love how dynamic and appealing to the eyes their composition is, I generally struggle with the whole composition alot I've tried to find courses or any artists with a similar art style like picrel who explains how they render but so far I've found none
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I try to start but I feel so awkward. In reality, I just want to draw hot guys but I feel like my skills aren't there yet, so I have to practice basic shapes and figures before I can star drawing hot men
My art appeals to myself, other bisexual women and straight couples. I get it if you don't want men on your work AT ALL, but someone who is hardly your periphery buying your work to gift to your target audience is not something to be cursed. It wasn't a pickme brag, but a bid for transparency. If you try to deter one group, you might draw in a different one. That new, strange group may surprise you for the best, or will be so bad you'll never share your art again. There is no one set way of keeping certain people out unless you do something obtuse and feed off of the backlash; you just set your boundaries and you do it. Quit being afraid of who you might attract. If you don't like them, then don't acknowledge them. If they harass you, report, block, double-down on your convictions.
Not sure why you all went full lunatic assumed my work is tradthot. I can see how my wording was misinterpreted. I hate to tell you all this, but you're wrong. Coomer males and troons fucking hate my work because they have no one to project upon unless they imagine themselves as a much better looking man than they will ever be. The men in my art are heavily objectified and receptive to the women present in the piece. Tradthots don't like my work because my women are anything but passive. Aidens are just weird and looking for blood in the water. Not sure how that brands me as a pickme. Some of you need to calm down.
If you people don't want a certain group becoming your periphery, then don't make your work public. Seems simple.
For composition, look up stuff like rule of thirds and fibronacci spirals. Look into good examples of cinematography to get some framing and motion ideas.
With rendering, I stopped overthinking the hard round brush meme and just started using the damn thing like I use graphite and charcoal pencils, but also like sculpting with clay. Now I feel embarrassed by how easy it all is to pull off.
The filters play a huge deal. Sharpening the final picture at the end seems to pull it all together. I've been using gradient maps and painting over it with limited color palette, and it's netted me interesting results.
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feeling really art blocked right now, anyone has artist recs? they always help me overcome art block. Eastern/western, modern/old, it doesn't matter. But i do prefeer more skilled stuff overall, and i am not a fan of the sakimichan/artstation type of rendering.
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some random art i came across scrolling on tumblr - do y'all remember when people actually made female characters look female and not whatever the fuck this is? like the style itself isn't even that bad, i've just noticed that nowadays fanart for feminine characters is so garbage you can tell when the person who made it mostly draws men or prefere masculine features and it makes them look so ugly.
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Nah you're just schizo or male. A lot of female artists draw male characters androgynous, or more feminine than in canon. That's why their female character art resembles those androgynous bishies. Women tend to draw female characters in a more natural, less pornified and/or less hyperfeminine way which sometimes means "masculinized" (androgynous, which seems to be a foreign concept to you), and this applies to both western AND eastern artists.
btw this whole thread reeks of scrotum which is why there's so many infights about things that curiously
align with moid opinions.>>1743918
She's so cute
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The actual art style of the Zelda games is usually on the cute and simplified side. I have never even played Zelda and know this.
>>1744099>btw this whole thread reeks of scrotum which is why there's so many infights about things that curiously align with moid opinions.
In any other thread I'd call it obvious bait but this thread has been proven to be crawling with moids from /ic/ to the point I can smell D'Angelo Wallace's ball sweat through the monitor, like do people really think it's women constantly having such moidbrained opinions and preferences? "Some pickmes are like this" yeah your average pickmes don't bother to whiteknight anonymously
for hours autistically defending talentless scrote coomers drawing endless amounts of neotenous girls, crying about average looking female characters being "too manfaced", whining about darker skinned characters being a thing, thinking giving Peach a slight frown is "western feminists forcibly masculinizing her" or unironically calling lolicons or racists "based". Sure she might
but a spade's a spade. It's not like scrotes are stopped at the door when they open lolcow.farm in their browsers.
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all female characters should be drawn like stacy
But doesn't it stand to reason that the y'all may very well be an elaborate red herring to throw off the scent of ballsack from the obviously male post and falsely give off the air of a tumblr "all women are uwu bimbos or they're just men" handmaiden.>>1744426
He's a drama channel who once made art topic videos on YT. He was semi famous for trying to recreate other peoples art styles, he had >100k subscribers for this. He is now a fairly popular drama channel who makes videos about foolish people embarrassing themselves on the internet and has since dropped art shit entirely lel
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Yuming Li & Krenz Cushart. Yuming Li has very ethereal work with occasional anime/game fanart. Krenz is much more anime but I like his landscapes
His old art videos are still up on the channel and he really wasn't that good. I remember checking out his socials back then to find more pieces, only to see that he either rarely drew or at least rarely posted. It doesn't seem like a big passion of his>>1744616
Kek why so many? Do you post on all and does it not split your following unnecessarily?
>>1744630>Kek why so many?
i dont know> Do you post on all and does it not split your following unnecessarily?
first is for fanart, second is for fanart nsfw, third for oc, forth for oc nsfw. I don't know, i just feel it's tidier that way.
This isn't even bad. It's that standard softer Western fantasy style. It's okay if you just don't like the style, but calling it masculine is a stretch. It just looks like art drawn by, I dunno, maybe a straight woman drawing for herself
I get what you're saying, but this isn't even an offender. Call me when you find the zonked-faced, box-bodied, cankles Zelda likely lurking around tumblr.>>1743861
I think you're onto something. I know a lot of people in this thread love to cry MOID MOID MOID AAAAAAAAAAAAAA MOIIIDuWu on certain takes because of absolutism, but this artist is likely more accustomed to drawing men. This doesn't mean she looks "like a man," and especially doesn't mean "needs to look like a bimbo" but you can tell women aren't a typical/favored subject.
Random thought, but a lot of bimbo stuff looks very masculine at the base. I've never been able to accept that as some end of the "femininity" spectrum like a lot of people in this thread seem to do.>>1743918
Her original looks fine. People whining and expecting the right need to know how I felt having to look at ugly moids all of my gaming life after having paid for the damn thing. I literally don't play games with too many ugly men. They need to be modded over. Ugly men in games trigger
There's more than a few people just calling people moid to anything that'll look like it might stick, but actual moids coming here have primed everyone into attack mode. Honestly, I would not be surprised if the Zelda post were just pure vendetta as I'm sure it has a ton of likes on Tumblr, or >>1744456
this take, more than likely. Maybe both.>>1744671
NTA but they're not. A lot of them gravitate more towards OC NSFW, too.
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Is it possible to recreate the look of a traditional painting on digital? are there any digital artists that can do this? I dont have money for traditional sadly
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I have this hatred of the trope of making old characters ugly as all hell while their younger selves look attractive/normal. Making old ugly characters isn't bad in of itself of course, but the fact that none of the facial features are even the same is so stupid and pisses me off. It just comes off as ageist and coomery to say both "old people look disgusting" and "but look how hot they were back in the day, in case you wanna make porn of them" at the same time. It's especially jarring in a same-face setting where exaggerated features barely exist except for on old people to make them uglier. I'm not attacking pokemon in particular, Opal just happened to be an example of it.
I agree with >>1745305
I think Opal is cute in an endearing grandma way, especially with her feisty personality. She'd still be beautiful if they toned down her nose. Elderly women can be beautiful without looking like grey-haired twentysomethings with 2 little lines under their eyes.
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Can we talk about how the tracing grifter hacks have now gone full Emilie Autumn and when they say "omg ive been working so hard on something >< big things coming!" what they really mean is "I spent a few hours today training AI to make me something I could never, ever bring into fruition myself and every single thing I do is an obsessive copy of someone else because I have zero creativity whatsoever"? It's getting sad
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But old people do get a droopier larger nose. Her features are pretty exaggerated because it's a cartoon but I could see this happening in reality.
There are other extreme cases of what you mention but I also think it's a funny joke about aging, not a coom thing.
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i just searched and she's 88. are we now even expecting drawings of women to "age gracefully", never be hunched over, never sag nor have their facial features grow, never get fatter ? did you expect her to drink green juice and be at the gym 5 hours every day complete with IV-administered retinol every night since the age of 12 ? she looks like a typical well-groomed grandma who enjoys her furs and big rings and whatever rich grandmas like.
if your problem is that youth more or less aligns with conventional beauty you're delusional. i haven't played pokemon in ages but i'm glad to see a fun, original design for once and not just the same kid with a crazy haircut
doesn't apply to pokemon because its style is meant to be simple and appealing to kids, but i agree it's nice to see exaggerated younger people sometimes as well>>1745648
cologne is stylized because she's pure comic relief, which is ok as well. i love her little mouth !
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what motivates you to keep trying despite failure?
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>>1745673>are we now even expecting drawings of women to "age gracefully", never be hunched over, never sag nor have their facial features grow, never get fatter ?
I think you're entirely missing the point. The complaint is the lack of diversity and the singling out of old people to make them hideous, instead of actually having a diverse set of characters. Those women and men in your post ALL fit the same art style. Opal (who has a lovely design) is the only one who isn't a an anime waifu, and is instead more "western cartoon" looking just to make her uglier because she's old - so it looks jarring. It's the fact that even middle aged adult mothers in pokemon (just using pokemon as an example since Opal is from that game) are portrayed as milfs drawn with the same face as a teen (Lusamine, Melony) while if they're too old to be sex objects they have to suddenly be the most hideous exaggerated character in the game.
It's like when a series draws every character normally, but then they take the one minority character and exaggerate every stereotypical feature to show that this character is black/asian/a minority, but it kind of just becomes an offensive caricature in context.
even if you find her uglier what's wrong with her being different ? there's not many granny pokemon trainers and her stylization (which is a good one) reflects her uniqueness. rage about the young characters all looking the same, idk why your problem is with the one and only character that's interesting.
also not opening your racebait can of worms.
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If I understand it correctly the issue is like what >>1745747
said like this (you can tell i'm not an artist myself lmao sorry)
Yeah you’re right. Old people’s noses do often continue growing, but this extreme exaggeration and artistic difference only happens because old women are finally free of the male gaze and therefore allowed to be drawn with human features.
It’s not only exaggerating the ugliness of age, but also is a ridiculous lack of variety and perceived imperfection in portrayals of female youth. Reminds me there’s actually a bit in Always Sunny where they remark that young women are women but old women become people. The young guys in Pokémon are very idealized too but definitely less than the women, as the male characters have greater body and facial variety in a number of cases.
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the second line is 100% true, but the first line isn't necessarily. some irl grandmas do age like picrel (not the giant head you know what i mean), or were ugly even young, which is absolutely okay.
as for anime or cartoons, i don't mind stylization of different ages in a different way. i'm not a fan of samefacey anime personally, but i get young characters are (in pokemon for example) supposed to feel relatable to the young viewer, which is why they're a bit bland. so Opal may be a caricature of how children see their grandma, which is okay.>>1745762
absolutely, grandmas are 'ugly' and they DGAF because they want to knit, play facebook scrabble and enjoy their grandchildren or grandcats or whatever. they're free.
repost, dropped pic lol
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don't worry nonnie
, your drawings are fine and what you meant is clear ! i just don't agree that all old people irl look like their younger selves.
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big mom is another egregious example of this trope. stussy from one piece as well.
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Aight let me work on a proper pastebin. Anyone has recs? either of books, courses, channels or other resources that should be added to the pastebin? should i put in the description to not spam the thread with those useless low quality pinterest tuts and keep it to discussions of real tutorials? should i use this as OP?
Just bump up the old thread with the links.
If you want to keep it 'secret' from all the 'ic males' don't make it so visible. Especially not with a dumb porn picture.
Husbando showing up in the thread, what a lovely surprise>>1745920
I'm also stuck nonna. What helps me is to go back to media that I love and come up with ideas like that. I also like to do studies when I'm bored because at least I'm improving, if not coming up with something original.
Similar to >>1746287
, had an affinity for drawing since I was a kid and wanted to be an artist when I grew up but my parents discouraged me because they are the doctor lawyer engineer type of asian
. Yet, kids at school were praising me. So I began to trick myself into thinking I don't need to improve akshully. I've started drawing "for real" now at 18 and I realised I was starting from level zero. I'm getting much better but I'm not sure about art as a career anymore, how viable even is that as a fine artist. But at least I don't have to commission anyone for niche porn kek I am a faildaughter
Similar to >>1746465
, as soon as I was able to hold on a pencil or any kind. But I only started to really be serious about it when I was 8 or 9.
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I found this cute fanart of winx and they made stella fat for absolutely no reason. They could have chosen any girl out of the cast to make fat, but instead went with stella who is not the type of character trope to ever gain that much weight. This is like making regina george fat. It completely clashes with her personality and what the character represents
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Here are the other girls
yeah the artist thinks they're being subtle by giving stella, the "most beautiful one", blonde and tan and a princess, a fatter body. maybe it's an evening-out thing, ie stella has so much rich white girl privlidge that she can only stay white if she gets a 'defect' (wooden leg, dick, hijab, fat rolls)…
it's a shame because the outfits are really cool.
Nonas serious question, is it retarded that I don't like "body representation" in art?
It makes me feel guilty because I genuinely like the idea of everyone being able to "see themselves" but I also grew up as one of the very few chubby/fat girls around here and fatness was never something I felt represented by, in fact if these were dolls or game characters to choose from I would have gone out of my way to pick one that's NOT fat because that's what I wanted to be. But the main reason I don't like it in art is because I'm boring and like same body syndrome ig, it just looks so nice and cohesive to me when a group is mostly similar and one isn't the token obese girl all of a sudden.
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Generally I don't like resdesigns of this type, but after seeing what the W.I.T.C.H girls went through in their offical comic remake and TIFs chopping the tits off the most tomboyish character these are… fine? Even a bit cute, and the redesigns kinda remind me of Barbie's Fairytopia. Like I love the original Winx I'm not going to whinge about "muh anoerxic designs" but these are better than what we typically get because it's obvious that some thought was put into it.
Would you rather picrel?
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Nona, I think I found the perfect redesign for in that case.
Again, I don't like these redesigns but is it so egregious to have a 16 year old be fat? It's such a non issue when compared to other redesigns.
>>1746894>xould you rather picrel
come on don't be autistic, of course there's such a thing between obese stella and eugenia cooney.>>1746908
you know the teenage fairy designs are good and diverse when everybody looks 35, is dressed by instagram and the same ambiguous shade of brown. how novel. this said the outfits do represent their personalities better and expand on the original ones.
16 yo girls can be fat but stella is obsessed with fashion and beauty plus is a public figure, she's too vain to let herself go. if she absolutely has to be ~daivarse~ she could be kind of toned/muscular in a health nut hot girl kind of way.
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why do you think art is so hard? i have coder and musician friends and none of them seem to suffer as much as my artist friends and i. Is it because there isnt a single straightforward path to becoming a good artist and unlike coding/music there isn't a ''wrong'' way to do things either?
us artist are just whinier and more self-hating lol
my musician friends are the same, art just be like that
You do know those are completely different skills right? That different people progess at different paces right? Plus music has so much more theory to memorise than art as well as the fact coding requires so much troubleshooting, especially if you're unexperinced and don't recognise where you fucked up in a script (which could be as simple as an accidental extra space with some languages)
I know this is the artist salt thread but are you salty over not being able to grind your fundies effectively? That's not a helpful mindset at all if you want to improve.
I am also talking from experince, art is piss easy in comparison. There are so many people who put the work in to become pretty decent and well grounded artists from scratch within sometimes months. But if you want to make a shitty visual novel or modern Ghost and Pals-esque noise clusterfuck then go ahead.>>1746948
Tale as old as time with western zines, it's almost a suprise when you aren't scammed.
Jesus christ, it feels like this happens all the time now. Either zines get cancelled midway through because someone dug up and old tweet from one of the participating artists saying something problematic
or because the person hosting the zine runs away with the money. What was that one zine that had the organizer spend all the pre-order money on artbooks and other "comfort items" for herself leaving none for the printing of the zine or distribution of the promised quirks?
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a long one just lamenting about the situation.
>Zines as a way to connct with a community
I got into a few fandom zines myself and I would want to try getting into OC zines next. But the gendie social contagion sounds annoying to deal with, if I can even find hetship oc zines lel.
Weird ass nitpick imo. Rest of the designs look fine, everything else seems to be in line with the characters' personalities and there's no perceived favoritism that many artists have. But I believe what >>1746856
said could be plausible.>>1746870>is it retarded that >It makes me feel guilty
Girl relax it's ok to to have your own likes, dislikes, opinions, you don't need anonymous internet user 7289's own to tell you whether she agrees. Personally I believe it could benefit children in some way if they're exposed to different viewpoints and people, because media and the environment one grows up in can influence their thoughts and beliefs a lot. Since many kids don't have the ability to critically understand media or the world, the message "being different is ok and being fat or ugly or whatever doesn't make you inferior" could help them feel better about themselves and others. I don't think adult media needs that because adults should be able to withstand TV's influence and understand shit like that, hopefully.>it just looks so nice and cohesive to me when a group is mostly similar
Nona not to psychoanalyze you and yes, humans have the desire to fit in and conform, but from the stuff you said above it sounds like you'd benefit from this version of the show as a kid. Free yourself from judgement.
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Tangent to zines, but to fan merch in general. But I was so surprised how industrialized fan merch are to some extent. There are artistalley merch resellers(?) And it's a far cry from earnest, homemade art to share to equally passionate fans. I'm starting to understand anons sperging about fan art merch being plagiarism. Pic rel is a fanmade tarot set hosted by in those merch reseller businesses.
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i have noticed that pretty much all western artists i like have ''no comms'' in their bio. the western(internet) artist space seems so commercialized and boring. it's either>ugly boring coom(telepurte, shadman, scott malin)>boring oc coombait(cassete girls, the nuns, every single self insert of some pick me female artist)>cringy tryhard memes pandering to the current trend(pantsu,khyleri,mossa)
and all of them shill their patreons/commissions.
it's so incredible rare to find genuine artists on the vein of those autistic japanese artists that just really love that one show/ship and draw it out of love and passion. Or really like a certain theme, like cars/dinosaurs/history, etc. pic rel. everyone in the modern fandom seems to move on to the next trendy thing in a week. I love artists like memphiles so goddam fun, even if i am not into autistic demon spongebob x oc stuff i find her art so fun to look at.
Speaking as an artist who has been in +25 zines spanning from multiple fandoms, the western fanzine scene is pure garbage.
In the smaller fandoms, zines are closest to what they were always supposed to be. They're simpler, without all of that merch shit, and mostly just for fun. My favorite ones that I've worked on were exactly the simple fanzines for small, quiet fandoms because it felt like a group of friends trying to put something cool and fun together to celebrate a series they like and maybe make some bucks off it, but money wasn't the focus. Everyone would get a copy with maybe a few dollars and that's it, everyone happy, project finished.
But the bigger fandom zines are pure shit. They're industrialized projects made for business, profit or clout first and passion and fun second, which is why there's so many scams and discourse mainly regarding funds. I've been in zines that broke well over the 25K dollar mark in profits and I can say there wasn't a single bit of love put into the project because it just…felt corporate. Even the charity ones, it didn't feel like a fan project to celebrate a series or a character, it felt like a Product Made To Be Sold even more if you add in the horrendous amounts of merch. I've been in zines that literally had menus for different buying experiences and packs where you could even not buy the zine itself and instead buy JUST the merch. Don't even get me started on the whole drama regarding the selection process of contributors and guests, rampant nepotism and plugging all around, incompetent mod teams and so on.
It saddens me because I do find zine projects fun. I've been trying to search for smaller ones to participate in.
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i wonder how cheap it is to make merch in japan. I follow very small japanese artists and a bunch seem to sell these acrylic stands of niche as fuck stuff at cons. I find it really cute. This artist sells these of billy and mandy(reasonably popular in japan) and uncle grandpa(kek). God i love when artists are fuelled by pure autism and passion.
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here is her con desk, god it looks so fun. I stoppe going to con because the artist alley is so boring, it's just popular thing merch and usually just prints and maybe some buttons. I snore.
Because you don't understand that programming and music production is also creative work, just like visual art.>unlike coding/music there isn't a ''wrong'' way to do things either
There most definitely is a "wrong" way to approach programming and music. Once again, you're ignorant.
I'm so sick of fanart absolutely engulfing every little corner of different art communities. I only make original stuff and it's real hard to get people to care about it unless you A: started out with fandom or B: are a spectacular artist.
It all might just be a 'skill issue' for me then. But I can't draw fanart. I hate drawing 'popular character facing left' and I can't come up with anything more elaborate like a decent fanwork that expands on canon material because my pea-brain can only do that for original work. I've decided not to force it and just continue to draw original stuff but damn if it's a major uphill climb. There's people who really adore my work but I wished more people could see it. When I go to conventions I often get glossed over because I don't have any fan art.
This is why people don't bother. Fandom just swallows everything up into mindless trendy consumerist holes that are hard to dig yourself out of. Fanartists make bank while everyone has to kind of just scrounge for the same fucking crumbs, sorry for the sperge but I'm fuckin tired of it.
>>1747248>or get a proper job
i'm sure staring at excel spreadsheets everyday for hours will make artists feel better and more useful in this capitalist hell, sharon. seems like you're seething because some people found another way of making income and you think they're ruining
the sanctity of art
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Oh wow, you bought the gigantic Himi gouache set? And you painted a scene from studio ghibli??? Thats SO original!!
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Doing a one to one copy of a picture isn't hard. Here's the original.
Same and actual diverse bodies (like frame size and height variety) with muscled and toned (not fat) would be great to see. Ideal bodies would be varied and diverse. >>1747021
We will never get western CLAMP
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Reposting without the insensitive comment. You can make fit people with varied bodies if that's more your forte
Fuck, I keep screwing up
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Depressing asf that we'll never get the time back where you could autisticly draw something you loved and make money off of your cheap homemade merch of it. Now you have to pander to people just to get seen and actually make money to fund commercially made shit that has no soul. It excludes so many people as well. And not even the people who are bad at art just the struggling ones.
The cost for funding such commercial stuff is insane. It's like the pricemaster quoting ridiculously high prices for mediocre shit. No wonder most people just sell prints pins and stickers.
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i wonder if japanese artists buy doujins/merch of niche stuff just for the art or to support the artist. I cannot imagine there are enough billy and mandy enjoyers in japan to support that girl or girls with niche fandoms. I find it endearing someone made a boss baby doujin(dont worry its sfw). I personally would support an artist drawing niche fandom stuff if the art is good enough, which almost never happens in the west, sadly.
I'm friends with some japanese (and korean) artists/fandom dwellers and I've seen many of them buy fanmade merch and doujins in conventions from all sorts of niche fandoms simply because they thought it was cute/pretty or just because they got curious or intrigued about it. Sometimes it would be also because they knew the vendor and just wanted to support their friend.
I wish western artists and fandom people would gain that habit. Artist alleys in cons nowadays are just a slog to walk through because it's just the same five or so current popular anime or game series in different levels of quality.
What subject matter do you draw? I only post original content and have a healthy following/commission-base, but it's all fantasy illustrations so there's a broad appeal there and people already looking for that kind of content (and the bonus of being able to link almost anything to dnd if I'm feeling a bit attention-deprived kek).
Original content that's either more niche or too broad/vague (eg a cast of normal human characters doing whatever) is much more difficult to get eyes on because you're either asking for more of your audience's time and goodwill or haven't got a ready audience looking for a particular type of art that has widely used tags or search terms.
Good luck getting your original content out there though, it takes time but hopefully you can garner some loyal followers and grow your presence. Also as tempting as it can be, don't do fanart unless you really are a fan of it and motivated to draw because of it– everyone can tell when a piece has been made cynically (except maybe coomers). Just create what you like, people enjoy unironic, genuine things.
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In addition to that I remember seeing this before. A /beg/ posting about his unsuccessful original work doujin. (Sorry, scrote coomer website.)
>“I participated in today’s Comiket and my sales didn’t hit ¥10,000… I want to die.”>“What did you sell?”>“I only sold 3 copies of 50 printed…”>“If you only sold 3, just upload it. Applications for winter have already begun, you know.”>“You sold each copy for ¥3000?”>“You couldn’t even sell 20 copies for 500 each?”>“You say only, but for a no-name circle to sell 20 isn’t bad at all.”>“I thought so too… how godly would I have been if I had sold 20! I want to die.”>“How much of a loss did you make?”>“¥12,000.”>“You just have to make the cover sexy and high quality.”>“How much did you flog them for?”>“¥500 a copy.”