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No. 432044

All drama-related discussion go here: >>>/w/319720
Escaped dramafags will get graduated from life

What is a vtuber?
>An online entertainer or live streamer who is typically represented by a digital avatar generated by computer graphics such as Live2D.
This thread is made to discuss your favorite Vtubers, news surrounding the topic, and other stuff!

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No. 432045

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For the nonnies who kept asking for a Calli threadpic.
>>431411
Compared to Advent where I had a lot of initial interest but couldn't get into any of them, I was totally lukewarm to Justice when they debuted but they all grew on me over time. I think Cece is the only one I don't watch a lot of but even then I think she's still a good addition to Holo.
Raora unexpectedly really funny, and Liz has evidently been a huge hit with the female fanbase, aside from the sheer vocal talent she brings.
But Gigi was the big surprise for me. I was super turned off by both her model and her debut but she's my favorite in the gen now and likely my second favorite in EN after my oshi. I love how fun she is and the way she seems to get along with just about anybody. Several members of EN have admitted to being obsessed with her and I can totally see why.

No. 432049

love the threadpic, thanks nonna.
>>432038
i am one of those fans. it really doesn't feel like her anymore
>>432045
i have to actually seriously watch one of them. i liked liz' debut but i think that's about all i saw

No. 432053

>>432049
Shilling Gigi specifically, her birthday stream was really creative and fun.
She's honestly great in any collab, though. I got into her through her strong performances in both the AmeSame Spelling Bee and ENReco.

No. 432283

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nonnas i want to be a vtuber but will i even have a chance to grow an audience without pandering to insufferable unicorns?

No. 432301

>>432283
i believe it should be possible, but you're gonna have to do some hardcore filtering one way or another

No. 432314

>>432283
I've been in some really tiny communities for retro vtuber girls who don't pander at all. Don't expect to blow up but it's doable– you just have to be committed and your people will find you.

No. 432365

>>432045
>Mori thread pic.
Thank you very much, I love her so much.

No. 432830

does anyone know what mori's jumpscare stream was about?

No. 432861

>>432830
Elaborate marketing for the "Weird cat"-plushie you see in her shorts sometimes. The stream was pretty cool, there were some ARG-elements with finding a Youtube watch code throughout the stream, with the code linking to instructions to appease the cat and save Calli. It was fun to witness such an interactive stream live, even if it could've been a bit more condensed with the scares and clues (there were looong stretches of time with nothing happening).

No. 432962

I'll admit I do feel more special and valued as a female fan of my Holo kamioshi compared to the unhinged and unwashed male fans who she simply tolerates to make a living. Maybe that's delusional of me but I think I'm still living closer to reality than the NEET males who genuinely despair over not owning her.

No. 433087

>>432283
Do indies really have to deal with unicorns? I thought that they only watch corpo vtubers.

No. 433101

>>433087
Nah there's a whole breed of unicorn that specifically only watches 1-view chuubas for a more "personal" GFE. You see them talking about how they're working in grooming their indie chuuba quite a bit on /vt/

No. 433958

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Alleged leaks of DMs with Twisty from NijiEN are circulating

No. 434603

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Hello nonas.

Apologies for the incoming autism as this has become somewhat of a fixation but I also wanted to ask if any other US anons engaged with the Round1 x Hololive collab? I was quite honestly really put off by the first and second “waves” of the promotion, first a $50 holo towel only available for purchase if you buy $50 of game credits, and second a free keychain with a $120 game credit purchase, so I only went for the plush promotion.

They only had Fuwamoco, Gura, Fubuki, Ina, Okayu, and IryS. I went on opening day of the plush promo to my semi rural local Round1 and was DISGUSTED buy the coomers who attended en mass and swarmed the fuwamoco machines.

Each plush machine was locked to hit payout, so you had to play a lot in order to guarantee a plush. When I tell you these neckbeards would load 15+ games on a machine, not get the plush, walk away, buy another $100 in credits and go to a different machine. Appalled. I got my Gura, Okayu, Fubuki, (and fuwamoco after i saw people are selling them for $200) and left grossed out. I am excited for the January wave of all JP plush though.

No. 434985

>>434603
It should be a given that any holo girl's audience is 99% coomers in both branches. There are very few women who have both severe autism that would make them get into vtubers and the ability to share a space with coom brained incels.

No. 435065

>>433958
As much as I hate Aster, pretty sure this was confirmed fake

No. 435211

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gumpai is my favorite lolcow self poster. I think she does a lot of good for the community actually.

No. 436527

>>434603
I didn't go to the Round1 collab, but I did go to the Tsujita artisan noodle collab, and the amount of fowl-smelling neckbeards who didn't bother with basic hygiene or grooming there was disturbing. I knew holo's fanbase was mostly moids, but I expected maybe half of them to be at least presentable in public.

No. 436619

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The Holostars discussion board's management temporarily shut it down because it was apparently too toxic(???), if we get newfags in the coming days like the one who tried to make a shit duplicate thread, it's because of that.

No. 436627

>>435211
She is a farmer?

No. 436631

>>436619
>it was apparently too toxic(???)
I have a inkling what kind of topic made the admins shut it down those fags can fuck off to /vt/ where they belong

No. 436642

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>>435211
>BPDchan throwing turds at vietnamese guy who makes hideous plushies

No. 436653

>>436631
To be fair the announcement seemed to most heavily refer to how badly FSP shilling nonnas were received on that site in the past couple of weeks. It was kind of funny seeing the Off-Topic page implode over a suspected advertising psyop from that agency kek

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No. 436658

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Another Holo graduation. Any JP nonnas able to say if there were warning signs?
Ultimately unaffected by ongoing developments as long as Korone and Fauna stay, personally. They both seem pretty happy where they are, though.

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>>436658
*she's not graduating, she's going the affiliate route like Ame. Seems fair, I believe she's also one of the members who had serious issues with stalker fans so I'm not surprised she wants to leave behind the idol arrangement.

No. 436745

>>433958
>usage of the word sexpesting
you can tell right away this is faked by a /vt/ moid trying to start shit

No. 436835

>>436745
Twisty is so /here/ in regards to 4ch that this is the one liver where it's actually believable usage.

No. 436855

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>>436619
>The Holostars discussion board
the what now?

No. 437029

>>436855
After NYFCO went down, somebody created a StarsEN centric forum in the style of NYFCO for fans to continue congregating. It started out alright but discussions naturally grew more contentious as the site grew. Nothing insane but most of the people hanging around are the types who want to have their cake and eat it too with anonymous discussion sites so you can surmise how things went down.
Site was elysium.baby, we'll see if it comes back.

No. 437041

so many holopro members are stressed out and taking breaks i hope it isn't yagoo stepping down

No. 437061

Youtube recommened me Amitori a while ago. She's not super active and not 100% a vtuber, but she makes cute art and seems nice, and not coomery/ pandering at all. I like listening to her rant about her OCs.

No. 437072

>>436658
>fauna
Anon, i fear for you right now

No. 437107

>>437072
AYRT TBH the possibility doesn't feel as bad as I thought it would. If she leaves I hope she gets a normal dayjob or something though and then keeps vtubing as a side hobby (she'll probably return to twitch so it's goodbye for me lol). Sure she has paypigs but she also has a STEM degree and is relatively normie. I want stability for her.

No. 437116

>>435211
I mean I kind of get it if he came and started soliciting in her discord. She seemed mad that fans were at risk of being scammed or getting low quality products and him being allowed to do that in her discord might look like a tacit endorsement from her. I know she’s retarded, but if some faggot wants to solicit merch in someone’s discord, he should ask first.

No. 437124

Well, that's that. My oshi is leaving Hololive.
Wish I could say it's a huge upsetting shock but yeah, at the very least I knew she had a shitty manager.
Should be a fun month upcoming with her. Wishing her the best whatever she does next. What I'm hearing of her PL actually sounds pretty based (anti-unicorn and such) so might follow her past Fauna.

No. 437143

I really wonder what's going in at Holo right now. Fauna is leaving mid contract with no affiliate plan like Chloe/Ame and openly said she's leaving because of disagreements with management, didn't even ask fans not to speculate. Calli earlier this week cancelled stream because she said she was dealing with a major work stressor which could be unrelated but doesn't seem like it is to me. I have a feeling Fauna called it quits outside of the normal procedures.
Really interested to see what she will be like as an indie. I've always had the feeling that she sort of hated a big part of what her fanbase became (she even said earlier this year that she doesn't like the mommy thing).

No. 437145

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I dont closely follow fauna but a bit surprised people are acting like she's anti-unicorn when her past content was like this?
It's never okay for male fans to be nasty, but making this kind of content is definitely not going to help you grow a respectful audience imo.

No. 437155

>>437145
she follows male vtubers

No. 437156

>>437155
Her past and current content has always given me coomer-pandering vibes, but to each her own.

No. 437166

>>437156
I wouldn't really consider her current content coomer pandering either outside of that one cowkini thing years ago. Which even then was an exception to her usual content that moids have just never stopped clinging to.

No. 437176

>>437145
That's just asmr before joining this company. Still, she has always kept a respectful distance between fans and even going as far as saying on stream that we are cannot be friends with her.

No. 437183

i swear i'm not trying to anti them but fuwamoco tweeting about protecting their fan's smile after fauna's graduation announcement makes me want to a-log

No. 437188

>>437176
She has a loli model and was best friends with Shondo who is a straight up misogynist though. I don't think her PL is as basada as nonnies think, I really liked her as Fauna. Unless she gets a model redesign and goes in a completely different direction (or she can keep being a generic boring loli I guess, just don't shove Shondo into my feed and keep the male pandering to a minimum)

No. 437190

>>437188
>friends with shondo
That sucks. I loved her as fauna since she was basically a breath of fresh air for en. I'll miss her quirks and way of thinking but I'm not sure if I'm going to pick her up again.

No. 437191

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Patiently waiting for Gura to dip and the whole Holo EN powder keg explodes

No. 437211

You could be the biggest holo apologist on the planet but it's still eyebrow-raising having so many graduations in the span of a few months. I thought Fauna would especially be fine since it seemed like they let her move at her own pace and not force the idol thing so much but now I don't even know anymore.
Given she's not going the affiliate route I wonder if she wants a clean break from holo and make it verboten ala Namie.

No. 437217

I'm so fucking curious as to what's actually going on in Cover.

No. 437224

From Altare's latest stream before going on an indefinite hiatus

No. 437227

>>437211
I thought it was suspicious as shit that Magni and Vesper graduated at the same time but i was called crazy for thinking something weird was going on behind the scenes. Knew I should've trusted my gut.

No. 437228

>>437156
its pretty standard "UwU im a cute loli shitposter" content. she never collabed with males but she didn't avoid them like the plague.

No. 437229

>>437183
theyre fucking eyeroll worthy at times and i say this as an ex-ruffian. hard working girls but they try way too hard with the sweet innocent act that it comes off as fake.

No. 437230

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>>437191
>>437211
Highly curious. I don't closely follow Aqua, Fauna, or Chloe, but as far as I knew, they were hardworking and had consistent stream output, unlike Gura or Ame who'd be more obvious choices for graduation.
Ofc no job is perfect but they literally got to play video games and make 6 figures a year. Something pretty wrong must be happening.
I feel bad but simultaneously I am ready for the shitstorm.

No. 437233

Interesting clip from Randon imo.

No. 437234

>>437233
isnt this the same bpdwhore who had a tard out and almost killed himself over a fucking stream? also considering japans workculture is well know…what did ya expect kek

No. 437235

>>437230
>literally got to play video games
Like it's not just that. They have meetings, emails to follow up on inane shit, restrictions about what they can play because of Japanese copyright laws, work trips to Japan and idol stuff like concerts to work on.
If they can leave and take their fanbase with them and not have to deal with all the corpo shit on top of Cover taking (last I heard) a third of their donos, I'm surprised that more don't jump ship once they pump their numbers up. Kson is doing pretty well since leaving.

No. 437238

>>437235
I'm sure that stuff is hard and annoying, especially if any of the talents are getting older and hoping to settle down and travel less. But I would still counter that there's not that many careers you can do full-time from home (outside from work trips) for 6 figures AND no formal education.
But tbh vtubing has been on the downswing for a while now. The writing might be on the wall. Aside from going indie, I don't think any talents would be insane if they wanted to go get a college degree or some type of formal job training.

>>437234
Regardless of how you feel about randon (personally haven't followed him since he left holo) I think the clip seems fair. Sounds like what basically everyone in hololive alludes to, they just can't come out and say it as clearly as he can.

No. 437289

>>437234
..no? what /vt/ schizo rrats have you been reading up?

No. 437291

>>437227
Tbf Magni/Lando has a reputation of having a short attention span to any new thing he does. And Vesper had that suspension and the whole thing with Japan causing him super anxiety, he wasn't really one to enjoy idol activities.

No. 437299

>>437235
vidrel is laplus giving a breakdown of these things
>fauna graduating
i'm sorry for the nonas itt that enjoyed her, but i've been having fun watching the /vt/ melties

No. 437304

>>437188
Not going to assert that she's super based but I wouldn't consider her model super lolicoomer pandering and she was friends with shondo ages ago, it has to be remembered that Shondo didn't start out the way she is.

No. 437305

>>437211
Nah, I think most Saplings who paid attention were aware for a long time that at least on the personal manager level she was having issues. Her manager didn't seem to be doing their job at all and would frequently fuck up on things like getting perms on time and then deliver perms for the incorrect games. If you fail to support a talent as low maintenance as Fauna there really is something wrong.

No. 437321

>>437299
my ass actually stayed up just to read through all the melties. havent had that much fun on /vt/ since the Rushia termination

No. 437379

>>437238
NAYRT, but do corpos discourage streamers from pursuing education while under their company? Haachama went to classes during her time as a vtuber, and Axel talks about being in university so I thought that it'd be alright. I understand that it would be stressful though.

No. 437380

>>437379
I wonder if some of the growing discontent with Holo EN/Holostars EN came from covid vs. post-covid expectations.
For HoloMyth, I imagine it was a pretty cush job - I don't think any of them were traveling back then. No expectation to fly to Japan multiple times a year to film concerts. Probably a few online meetings a week but otherwise, sit there and game.
I wonder if some other talents signed up, thinking they'd have that experience and it could even be a side job (like Sana doing it secondary to gacha artwork) but then expectations began to quickly change.
Being a full-time college student and streaming and having meetings a few times a week would be busy, but doable. But throw dance lessons and regular international travel plans into the mix, and it becomes way more complicated.
Rrats?

No. 437383

>>437379
I don't think it's an issue, at least with Cover. We've had multiple talents pursue higher education and all have been allowed to take long breaks if they feel it's needed.
It was in menshi, but Kiara also stated today that the issue isn't necessarily the workload as, again, they're allowed to opt out of almost any event, the only thing she wasn't sure about was Fes. Not that she claimed there wasn't a valid mangement based issue for talent complaints– she said there are multiple factors, in fact.
She wasn't able to get very specific but TLDR she said that the job, while having a heavy workload, is a relatively easy one for the high income they receive. But she also said that there are factors beyond those when it comes to leaving a job.

No. 437385

Samefagging to say that when we look at the history of issues members have had with management, Fauna's statements, and Kiara's own past issues, I think it's an issue of creative differences and support. Being told a lot of your ideas aren't workable and then having a shit manager who won't even do the basic things necessary to enable what you ARE allowed to do would be a big reason for seeking other employment independent of workload and pay.
Also factor in the fact that the one surefire known way to expedite the process is to move to Japan. Fauna has made it clear in the past that even if it's a cool experience, leaving home for extended periods of time is just not something she can do while remaining of sound enough mind and body to do her job. The relationship is not very workable.

No. 437543

Randon (Vesper from holostarsEN) explains pretty succinctly what is the biggest factor for talents leaving.(repost)

No. 437639

I will never understand the moids that insist that Fauna and Nerissa are mommy wife vtubers. Even if they try to lean into it its impossible to view them as anything but just women around my age. Motherless behavior, let's be real.

No. 437842

>>437639
any woman with a soft caring voice is mommy like to them. thats all it takes

No. 437843

>>437217
people will continue to stay willfully ignorant until its their oshis turn to graduate/be terminated

No. 437917

>>437639
Moids in general tend to project onto women. Though maybe it's because I've already spent so much time watching them but to me they feel like normal women.

No. 437945

>>437843
>willfully ignorant
Who hurt you lol

No. 437998

>>437639
vtubers are sterile waifu streamers. men like this are always their target demographic. nothing about it is confusing

No. 438039

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Did we ever get confirmation that Gura aka Samantha Dillon Howard was one of the victims of David Matterson, convicted serial rapist in Nantucket?(obsessed schizo)

No. 438082

>>438039
Back to 4chan.

No. 438113

>>438082
Are you kidding? /vt/ bans this crap. This is one of the few places remaining for honest discussion

No. 438163

>>438039
Gawr Gura is from Florida you retarded schizo. Definitely an obsessed scrote.

No. 438209

Time to doompost? I got shamed for it last time…>>437224
>>437299
>>437380
Comments on the linked YT video suggest Korean capitalism. I didn't know dance lessons were involved. If the talents have to pay for then it is that gets deducted, that's already a no.
Plus, they've realized that there's groundwork already done by people who recently went indie like Dokibird & Mint. Even Sayu. They'll never be broke.
Regardless of whether or not Hololive is neglecting them support offer whether it not the flights, lessons etc are a concern, they now know they don't need the company.
Plus, they are more than a few indies who are doing great thanks to having their own staff. Earlier it was Shylily and Shoto. Maybe a few ex- VShojo members like Nyanners. Now, even ex-Niji and ex-Holo members are finding their own footing. In terms of collabs, they get more options in the form of former co-workers. It'll probably be the same vibe but without a company taking money.
I guess the question is whether fans liked their personalities or just models.

No. 438372

>>438209
If you're who you sound like you are, you didn't get shamed for doomposting. You got shamed for throwing random spaghetti at a wall to see what stuck while getting basic facts about the talents involved incorrect.
But that's beside the point. I'd agree that the past year has made indie vtubing a provably sustainable route for those who have an established fanbase but are unhappy with management. "Build a strong fanbase with corpo platform" -> "go indie and take full profit" has been the obvious emerging meta for a while now, though, even prior to the Dokibird situation this year.

No. 438436

>>437917
Replying late but I agree, if anything they could be seen as part of the big sister archetype and by a very slim margin, but I guess having a model with big boobs is all it takes for autistic moids to call someone mommy. I don't think anyone in hollie fits the mommy shit, maybe Raora to a degree based on her first streams but that's it

No. 438562

Rie Takahashi is a vtuber now apparently? Are there other famous VAs or celebs who suddenly became vtubers? This feels a but weird

No. 438601

>>438562
could they not give her better rigging?

No. 438710

Seems like all of the Aster stuff that drip leaked over the past year was legitimate.
>>438562
Big utaite going vtuber isn't anything that crazy but mafumafu and soraru have both done a fair amount of it. If we're talking big seiyuu I know Ono Daisuke also used a rigged vtuber model when he interviewed with Roberu a while.

No. 438713

>>437639
Fauna ranted (albeit, briefly) on stream about being called mommy

No. 438720

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how did this guy ever get accepted into a corpo he's a complete pr nightmare lmao

imagine vagueposting about the rumors of another member being a sexpest/sexual harasser is legit then backtracking and going "yeah im just stupid my bad"

No. 438931

>>438713
I wonder if the role was just forced on her by cover due to the whole "mother nature" thing? She had a loli model as lemonleaf and her voice doesn't really scream "mommy" and she was really tight with shondo to the point shondo had a whole schizo meltdown on twitter when lemonleaf joined holo so it really makes you wonder what she's felt these past 3 years

No. 438934

i called out aster being a sex here pest months ago before all this happened. like, who is actually surprised about this? lol

No. 438975

>>438934
Same, it's been brought up a couple times here over the past year and both times it felt like it got talked down as fake (although he has a fan that used to shill him in these threads). Waiting to see what Niji does about the situation, tbough. Seems like he's on stealth suspension right now.

No. 439058

>>438562
Vtuber models are simply a means for people to stream without their human faces. KSon had one for just the face (not shoulders) for when she didn't wanna do makeup. Ironmouse said she used a model so people wouldn't see a sick person.
Utaite like nqrse, eve, etc have used it at one point or another.
If you look for old clips of VAs, they frequently have only audio and the image of the character they're playing. That's partially why Mikeneko didn't really have an issue there. VAs don't need to do face cam and some actively hide their faces so as to "not ruin immersion".
Even mangaka like Aka Akasaka and producers like Kanaria have Vtuber models. Shigure Ui is also a mangaka and I'm sure you've heard her famous song.
Point is, it's just a medium. Anyone who can afford a model can become a Vtuber.

No. 439264

>>439058
Primarily identifying Shigure Ui as a mangaka and not an illustrator is kind of wild lol

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No. 439293

Are there any vtubers or utaite with really low singing voice? I'm talking baritone/bass

No. 439297

>>439292
They're going to fire Twisty and claim that Aster's just a victim of slander, calling it now.

No. 439348

>>439292
they would never do all this for a female talent but yeah let’s fight for crazy for a flop male talent that can’t even attract regular viewers and have no fans. never change niji.

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>>439292
EN Raito…

No. 439412

>>439370
Every time I see how shitty this model was going to be I laugh kek

No. 439439

>>439292
Coming from the agency who let one known rapist walk scot free but got arrested an anti just for posting shit on 2chan or whatever I can only see this going awfully for the actual victims. (Scarle, Twisty gets no respect from me)

No. 439500

>>439412
I low-key feel bad for his Mama, people were saying he even looks like a rapist kek

No. 439534

>>439292
>Putting sexual harassment and information leaks at the same level
Classic NIjisanji

No. 439715

>>439297
>>439348
Didn't they say they're gonna hire a third party for the investigation though?

No. 439716

>>439715
Let me translate that Engrish for you
>we investigated ourselves and found ourselves to be innocent the gaijin will be seppuked desu

No. 439723

>>439439
What did Twisty ever do? I don’t watch Nijisanji

No. 439741

>>439716
I mean, what do you expect them to say? Just not launch any investigation at all? Either way, people will complain that they're covering it up.

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No. 439745

>>439715
The noteworthy thing here is the uneven application of punishment for leaking. Back during the Raziel statement, it was abundantly clear that Luca had been the source of several past leaks, but Niji never so much as acknowledged the fact. It's odd that they're now making a point to say they're investigating unauthorized leaking. It seems leaking is not an issue when one of their big males does it repeatedly on the issue of internal drama and major upcoming events such as 3D, but DOES constitute and issue when a woman feels compelled to speak on sexual harrassment.
TLDR: given NijiEN's past treatment of confirmed leaks, it's reasonable to be suspect they're only mentioning a leaker in order to have somebody take the fall for the situation. Even if this doesn't happen, it's further evidence of favoritism from management.

No. 439746

>>439723
She's huge on lolishit in an explicit way and has been since debut.

No. 439748

>>439746
To add to this, the 4chan lulsorandom xDD based menhera chan type

No. 439766

>>439748
I'm honestly surprised she went for Nijisanji given Niji's known left-leaning fanbase. She would have been a better fit for an agency like Phase. I wonder if she thought she could carve a niche better in Niji.

No. 439772

I just wanna know why the fuck they didn’t drop Aster after the flopfag went after one of their top earning talents, Scarle. I can’t believe he’s got enough company clout to remain and just how much Scarle seems to be sidelined by this company.

>>439766
Twisty would’ve done great in phase based off this >>439743 exchange.

No. 439779

>>439293
Shinri and Oga from Holostars have really low singing voices but I wouldn't say they're especially amazing singers or anything. There's Chogakusei (a utaite who streams with a vtuber model and does lots of covers with Nijisanji JP livers), but he shows himself (masked) in most of his covers so that might be a deal breaker if you're not interested in real men kek

No. 439817

>>439297
It would be true. Japanese slander laws doesn't make exceptions for the truth.

No. 439937

>>439817
Keyword was "just" there. Learn2read, it's fair to fire her but he shouldn't be getting off the hook.

No. 440366

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No. 440367

>>440366
>9 yrs old
>thailand
makes sense

No. 440368

>>440366
If this is an actual 9 year old, then this is an atrocious idea and it's suspicious as hell that they're sticking the kid's age front and centre in massive font in a fanbase full of coomers. If this is just a retard LARPing as a loli, it's still a bad idea because the VTuber market is oversaturated with those as it is.

No. 440369

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>>440366
‎two because flood ugh

No. 440371

>>440368
It was supposed to be an actual nine year old girl playing the vtuber, but they scrapped it after getting backlash

No. 440372

>>440371
Good. Kek at them going "oh we didn't realise this would make anyone uncomfortable uguu"

No. 440430

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>>440369
>all plan have pass legal examinations

No. 440557

>>439772
>I just wanna know why the fuck they didn’t drop Aster
jap workculture

No. 440811

>>439772
Not contradicting your point that Aster should be fired, but does Scarle actually make that much? I always assumed she and Aia were now considered top performers only because the rest of the branch is doing so poorly. Medium sized fish in a small pond.

No. 441107

>>434985
>share space with incels
This is not even the full problem. It's when your oshis actually pander to them by "protecting their smiles" and the company actively removes parts of discussions. In the last thread, someone mentioned Okayu being coomery. Calli would talk like she's talking to kids. I wonder if they'll go for Ao-kun or Subaru next.

No. 441121

>>441107
> I wonder if they'll go for Ao-kun or Subaru next.
it will truly be the end if they do

No. 441623

>>432283
well whats your definition of success? I think some vtubers like Geega and Haruka Karibu are doing very well without having to pander to coomers.

No. 441664

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What’s your vtuber pet peeve, nonas? For me, it’s when vtubers use 3D models. Pic very much rel.

No. 441838

>>441664
any jiggly body part that’s not the hair

No. 442146

>>441664
When the model breathes too much. It's distracting and unnatural.

No. 442499

>>440811
Last I remember, Scarle made a ton off superchats compared to everyone else and relative to her viewer count, I don’t keep track of the numbers, though.

No. 442755

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Wish gura would come back, at least to use the cute 3D santa model like the other holo en girls. Doesn't look like it's happening though

No. 443000

HoloEN full original song is out!

No. 443035

>>443000
>Produced by Mori Calliope
i feel like i can't keep up with her sometimes. i listen to her albums and they're all over the place. buried under the soundcloud tier "electro swing rap" slop she puts out the occasional banger, or something like this, which i feel would be right at home as part of a video game soundtrack.
Wish she'd grow out of the other stuff and dedicated herself towards a proper sound, she's clearly capable of it

No. 443038

>>443000
So many cute and varied outfits. Ina, Gura, Gigi and Bijou look particularly adorable to me. The song itself is okay, I'm not usually very into these EN songs but it's not bad

No. 443149

>>442755
I just dont understand whats so hard about letting her fans know shes on a break or she's busy with stuff behind the scenes. Leaving her diehard fans in perpetual limbo seems cruel.

No. 443272

>>443149
Exactly my thoughts about Roa, nijicuck(infight bait)

No. 443294

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>>443149
Yeah, I'm not even a diehard fan or anything, just enjoyed watching her sometimes because she's cute and I like her singing, but the lack of transparency and communication for her breaks is definitely odd. She did do a member stream a few days ago but I'm not a member. At least she'll be in Ina's new 3D Live later today as one of the guest performers.

No. 443302

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sorry i don't really have anything to contribute but i just need to express how physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually agonizing it feels knowing i will never be loved by anyone like her. i have yoomed too close to the sun and now i must plummet to the earth

No. 443311

>>443302
Kek nonna, understandable. I really need to watch her more, every clip I've seen has been funny and I like her energy a lot

No. 443317

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>>443311
like i'm only half joking, i had to take a long break from watching her streams and shorts because i would get legitimately depressed knowing that i will never know anyone like her irl. even when she's acting like a big dork and playing up being a womanizer she's still so effortlessly charming. i honestly thought i was asexual for a long time and never really understood the concept of fictional (or in this case pseudo-fictional) crushes before i saw these threads and got curious enough to watch one of her streams. now i wish i could return to such sweet, innocent naivete

No. 443322

>>443317
She's definitely charming, I'm not one to have crushes on characters either but I totally understand having one for her

No. 443416

>>443302
>>443317
Totally fair. Can't say I'm as deep in as you are but I definitely see her charms.
>>443294
IIRC she went as far as moving to Japan last year, right? It's strange to me that she's stayed just as inactive as ever after that. Every other HoloEN that's moved to Japan has been the grindset type.

No. 443622

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>>441664
When they can't finish the damn game.

No. 443639

>>443622
I don't understand why Goldbullet plays most games only once and then never touches them again. He's not even picking one-off games, it'll be shit lile Resident Evil or LoZ. One of the reasons I dropped him early.

No. 443779

>>441664
Static hand shit like Gura's hands on her chest on her greek model or Calli's hand on her chin. I think it can be cute when they are like holding go a controller or something, specially hand drawn like Nene and Korone do, but those dead cutesy/demure poses are so annoying.
Absolutely 3D models for regular streams also. >>441664

No. 444115

i recently watched nerissa's bday vod and i liked the production value of the stream, how cute the the graphics were. and how sleek the minigames looked? saw the credits and it was the same person who helped with gigi's murder mystery stream which was also fun. took a look at reya's other stuff and they looked cool as well so im thankful to gigi for introducing me to her. with how well gigi clicks with the other members and the creative streams so far, gigi has gotten me to watch hololive more this year

No. 444242

>>444115
Gigi is truly a gem, I feel the same way about her. I loved the CC Christmas special recently too where Gigi drew all of the chibis that CC rigged for the guests to use, super cute.
I'm really going to be sad when Fauna leaves and we don't get more of her with Gigi. They really seem to enjoy each other a lot and I was starting to understand why people would get into duos like MiComet and OkaKoro.

No. 444412

I know that the NY outfit designs are basically already in the works when talents debut so they're often the least character-relevant of a talent's outfits. But I'm praying that Gigi's NY outfit is normal and not cunny.

No. 444462

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I've never like vtubers until I've seen this little guy. Seto Kazuya is just so unique, like tickles my inner gothgirl. I really love the music and covers produced.

No. 444465

>>444462
they're just so pedo-coded

No. 444472

>>444462
Same. It blows my mind that the vtuber created the model. Very cute, smooth, expressive and love the spooky theme. Amazing talent right there.

>>444465
Just because it's shota? I don't think they do anything that's coomshit unless you think shotas in shorts are automatically sexualized. Plus the creator is a woman so it's a hundred times better than all the loli vtubers out there especially ones with moids behind them.

No. 444481

>>444472
just looked at that ASMR video, she knows exactly what audience she's catering to

No. 444502

>>444472
hey, i'm happy for shota if only to piss off moids in vtuber fandom, but all of it still makes me assume anyone who's into vtubers is also a pedophile or will become one

No. 444503

>>444465
We've already had this conversation can people just ctrl+f previous threads if they want to argue either side again

No. 444508

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>>444502
>hey, i'm happy for shota if only to piss off moids in vtuber fandom
? shota doesnt piss off moids at all kek tf are you on about,they use to goon off their child rape fantasies picrel is the biggest example.

No. 444673

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I love it and I love her. Silly and adorable, hat reminds me of Korone's NY outfit vibes while being entirely distinct.

No. 444674

>>444508
Taiga is a femboytard though. I dont think there is a single shota vtuber thats popular with men.

No. 444678

i like the CC's new year outfit and it's cool management let her rig it. i wonder if they'll let raora design a new gen girl and let CC rig it.

No. 444696

>>444674
>implying as if femboy shit isnt also the same as shota shit with its pedophilia
Same shit different words. I only know of taiga because of his pay pigs ratting him out for his pedo shit and him wanting to "fuck little boys". I dont keep track what pedo vtubers moids are into but stop pretending pedo shit like loli or shota isnt rife in vtubing

No. 444742

>>444678
Cece is so cool! I like her DIY spirit while streaming overall even if she's not really my speed.
All of Justice had really strong new outfits, there are usually one or two in these genwide outfits that I find underwhelming (I don't like most of Myth or Promise's tbh) but none of theirs disappointed me.

No. 444869

>>444742
it's like CC has a skill at everything and she's still trying to learn more. i dont watch her streams regularly, but she can do her own rigging, play violin, piano, make her own music, programs, and probably more. justice is a strong group.

No. 444887

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>>444742
>All of Justice had really strong new outfits
Agree, I don't watch too much of them besides clips of gigi occasionally but love these way more than the messes that were advent's last year. Cece looks so clean and classy and i'm seriously impressed by her ambition with rigging, and I think the twintails on Raora is a cute look.

No. 444960

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Neuro sama is peak vtuber experience

No. 444963

>>444960
i dont get the appeal, it feels so forced. I feel like everyone just watches the streams hoping the code goes berserk and says the nword or something.

No. 444977

>>444887
I really hope they keep teaming up on cute projects given how all-around strong this generation is. They've got an instrumentalist, a singer, an artist, and a talented entertainer. It reminds me of the old days of Myth.
Except I actually enjoy them more. I feel like some of the members of myth were seriously oversold thanks to the COVID buff, as much as I hate comparing gens For example, I think she was great at organizing events and taking the initiative on introducing new tech, but I still think Ame wasn't a good on-screen entertainer despite how funny people seemed to find her (all she had going her there was funny noises…) Her decision to retire and move more BTS in the industry was a great choice IMO, no hate intended.

No. 444989

It won't even let me post on the drama thread kek the limit has been reached

No. 445000

>>444989
That bit is a relic from back when Selen got terminated/NYFCO went down and we got an onslaught of tourists trying to migrate pro-Nijifagging here. You can talk about drama here if you want, if you spent time in this thread/backread you'd see that drama has been discussed here.

No. 445004

NGL it ticks me off when Stars fans get all "ohhh my poor baby" over the boys. I'd get it if they were actual fictional characters and women were being denied fanservice for no reason or something but because they're real men IDGAF about their livelihoods. You can find fanservice literally anywhere, even unattached to some shit moid who is only palatable through 7 layers of corporate filter.
And I'm saying this as somebody who has watched them since way back in the wee days of JP. If Bettel or Astel disappeared I'd get over it same day. No man, especially one you've never met outside of streams on the internet, should ever be that important to you.
IG ultimately moids get some fanservice out of the girls' success as well but it's hilarious watching men get systemically opressed in a corporate setting while their female colleagues are boosted up kek

No. 445039

>>444887
I liked Shiori and Biboo's but Shiori's didn't really scream "her" and Biboo's was tainted by the whole pacifier thing.

No. 445366

>>445039
True. I think Biboo has the best new years outfit out of all the girls but the pacifier was just totally unnecessary

No. 445633

>>445004
Not everyone derives pleasure from other’s misfortunes like you do.

No. 445638

>>445633
Sorry I'll conform and join you in getting massively depressed and wailing nonstop every time my anime boy doesn't get to change his clothes

No. 445772

>>445633
I want you to look at the URL of the site you're on. Go on, just give it a try.

No. 447030

>>444963
>it feels so forced
literally what do you mean?

No. 447265

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I'm a female vtuber and I want to make more female vtuber friends. But every time a female-looking vtuber follows me on twitter, I go on their twitch and hear a male voice. Grim.

No. 447730

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Thought some anons would get a kick out of this.

No. 448328

>>447265
Try reaching out to female vtubers yourself instead of waiting for them to come to you.
>>447730
I literally forgot that Vox still existed since the Selen drama died down kek

No. 448371

>>447730
men are so fucking insecure lmao

No. 448466

>>447730
Wasn't the main reason british boy's new models height was because there was a newer gen male that debuted, was taller than him???? I remember something like that in a twitter post

No. 448479

>>447730
Wtf, the newest one is total garbage. The super tall ACOTAR one also sucks. The second one is beautiful.

No. 448484

>>447730
imagine if a female vtuber did this

No. 448497

>>448484
Lol it'd be fun if a female vtuber debuted with a normal cute/sexy model and got progressively butcher over her iterations

No. 448531

>>448466
Imagine having your masculinity threatened by Doppio while he's having the time of his life doing what he wants without caring about fitting into any image…

No. 448646

>>448466
All I remember on this topic is that Pio made being salty about no longer being the tallest a running joke after Vox debuted his jacked up model.

No. 448651

>>447730
Second one is the best one. Less isnt more.

No. 448700

>>448651
I agree that it's better than his first but that's only becaise his bare feet look more natural for that outfit. I've always hated that his feet are out in his OG he looks like a retarded bum.

No. 449643

I actually can't stand Lando in any of his incarnations and he's only proven himself more unstable and obnoxious with time so if Fauna/Nimi starts collabing with him I'm out. Collabing with Vesper would be interesting though and I hope it happens.

No. 449760

>>449643
How is he unstable and obnoxious? I only watched him in collabs when he was Magni so I don't really know.

No. 449784

I hate /vt/ so fucking much

No. 449808

>>449760
He's chronically unable to stick with projects until they actually start bearing fruit (ditched Magni, ditched Lando, thinking about jumping ship on Caspurr now and planning to move to Japan) and struggles with an actual personality disorder of some sort (either bipilar or NPD)– he's talked about it rarely as Lando and recently had a meltie in menshi about it as Caspurr. Whatever it is it causes him to constantly flipflop between aggressive self-preening and bemoaning his victimhood as an unappreciated auteur. It's extra apparrent in the podcast he has with Bettel's PL though, best in jest, where they kinda just feed each other's mental illness on screen. It's all just him talking over and putting bettel down while they develop an eating disorder together kek.
Like Vesper is mentally ill too but outside of his menhera arc while in the Stars he seems to mostly keep it to himself in private and take actual steps to manage it. Lando on the other hand basically relies on manic episodes to produce content/feel self worth.

No. 450034

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>>448497
The closest version of that I can think of is Kronii (kinda)

No. 450076

I love the art direction on all of gigi's projects since debut. She has good taste which seems like a low bar but is a minimum a lot of vtubers, especially western ones, seem unable to meet.

No. 450666

>>449643
is nimi collabing with lando or randon even something that’s on the cards? i haven’t watched her for a while but she strikes me as someone has nothing in common with them other than that they’re ex-corpos.

No. 450856

>>450666
Her associating with them wasn't something anybody expected, but Caspurr ended up doing the illustrations for her lore videos. Considering the fact that there were, like, surely plenty of better artists she could have used and she's not exactly strapped for cash, it seems like an intentional choice. So even if it's unexpected, who knows.

No. 451012

>>450856
my bad i didn’t know about the illustration thing. i initially thought of it as a comment along the lines of “rica vshojo jp soon” and “sakuna dooby collab when” but yeah this seems more likely than not.

No. 451038

a lot has been said about the perils (and cringe) of being parasocial with a vtuber, but does anyone wonder about being parasocial with the people behind the avatars? every now and then i wonder what it would be like to be on speaking terms/acquaintances or even friends with a bunch of them (like what if you knew all of myth) and hear all the behind the scenes stuff. i tend to think about what their "watercooler conversations" might be like.
>“rica vshojo jp soon” and “sakuna dooby collab when”
do you suppose the not-unpersoned, not-uninterested in the whole thing talk former shop sometimes?
Clearly all of this is terrible opsec (it's gotten talents fired, after all) but still

No. 451051

Not to numbersfag but the disparity this early on in Dooby and Nimi's subcounts really shows the actual strength they had as entertainers– Fauna's consistently high CCV wasn't for show. I've always felt that Ame was just not entertaining despite how undeniably handy she is at behind-the-scenes stuff, and I think her performance as Dooby thus far confirms that a lot of her numbers were just thanks to the COVID buff all of Myth had.

No. 451052

>>451038
Mm, I'm curious about behind the scenes stuff so I do wonder what it'd be like to actually know them and ask, but I wouldn't say it goes as far as actually wanting to befriend them or anything. I get a lot of joy out of my oshi and I think sometimes it's best not to look at what's behind the curtain if you want to keep enjoying something.
This does remind me that there are some Bettellion that are absolutely insane about his and his brother's PLs, though. One fan in particular had a massive meltdown after Bettel 2 got uncomfortable with her treating him like a husbando and blocked her kek

No. 451211

>>451052
>I wouldn't say it goes as far as actually wanting to befriend them or anything.
truth be told, i don't know that i'd be able to befriend them either but i put it there as to express that they'd be comfortable enough around you to share those kinds of things.
>some Bettellion that are absolutely insane about his and his brother's PLs
as far as i'm concerned, i treat PLs as yet another persona. I was more going for the full "mask off" person.
I used to know some local streamers (small time but their following was in the mid to high three digits) a few years ago and they were actually so much nicer off camera.

No. 452785

Which JPs are you nonnies watching lately?

No. 452953

>>450034
The difference is she actually looks cool and this is a good design while the other one is horrible
>>450076
This is how I feel about Ina but it makes sense in her case since she's an artist

No. 453364

Octavio's new outfit might be the prettiest male vtuber model I've ever seen. His mama really goes all out.
Gibby and especially Ruze were both misses for me, though.
>>452953
Totally agree with you, I like that she and Ina also both have very cohesive style across most of their projects.

No. 453366

>>452785
Mostly Kanata since I enjoy supporting her and enjoy her covers. Though I'd say my main bias is Watame since her timezones are na friendly.

No. 453375

>>453364
Octavio's outfit is so pretty, I love that he played into the strengths of his mama and making a whole cover for the reveal was so extra. Not really a fan of Ruze's long hair and how dark it is, same with Jurard, the outfits lack contrast. I hate GB's facial hair, why do male vtubers desperately try to ruin their models with ugly moid shit

No. 453411

>>453375
Same on GB's facial hair, the only saving grace is that it's minimal instead of looking like it was scrawled on by a child like Vox and Fulgur's. I really can't put a finger on why Ruze's outfit was such a miss for me… His mama is my favorite artist out of the four but the outfit just looks bad as a Live2D and the hair really does not suit his face? I get he wanted long hair but this particular style is not it. Jurard is whatever, I don't care in either direction.
All four outfits looked like they were high effort/budget though which I'm glad to see. I fully blame any inadequacies on the talents' desires and not on the artists as Armis had the best base models out of the three StarsEN gens.
And whew, you're so right. Octavio went full maestro on the outfit debut stream, the guy really puts all his effort into this job.

No. 453502

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I was impressed with the detail on Tavi's model, he looks so pretty. I don't watch Jurard much but I liked his outfit too, the long hair and glasses look really handsome on him.
>>449784
I can't stand it especially because most of the guys I watch obviously egosearch in their respective threads and have even brought up shit on stream that they obviously saw there. It's so uncomfortable, I don't want to have to filter my discussions about them

No. 453591

>>453502
Ironically I don't think his official model glasses look as good as the fanmade asset glasses he's been driving fans crazy with since like week 1. Not sure if you've seen them before.

No. 453889

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>>453591
If you're talking about picrel I've seen those! I think they're cute but I personally prefer the more thin-rimmed ones on megane boys.

No. 454297

>>453889
I guess everybody has their own tastes! To be honest I think I like the thicker rims because it makes him look like Grell Sutcliffe lol nonnies can say about him what they will but Grell is a nostalgic favorite.
The thin rims do have their own appeal, though. Especially with the quieter voice his new outfit has the vibe of a master tactician.

No. 454636

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https://x.com/Vspo77/status/1884182277682520145

Honestly? Good on VSPO for actually enforcing their no-NSFW policy.

No. 454637

>>454636
Crazy how much moids seethe over this policy because they can't perform basic respect towards somebody's wishes or understand why somebody might want this.

No. 454647

>>454637
Reminds me of this thread I once saw in /vt/ about girl_DM where she was crying when she found nsfw art of herself in her tags when she has been very clear that she doesn't like it. And after seeing the clip one of the moids goes "I thought it meant she was crying from happiness but she is actually upset?". I was so flabbergasted but this is really how they think, they have no concept of empathy at all, everything is about coom and when someone goes hey how about no they get so angry and confused.

No. 454665

>>454647
And then in those very same discussions when asked to practice empathy they shoot back about how if they were women they'd fully embrace being sexualized and pander to males all the time. No wonder so many troon out.

No. 454691

>>454636
I wish all talents could do this. Though knowing moids, they'll start making porn of them out of spite alone and it'll become a big enough issue that it's impossible to handle

No. 455097

>>451051
I feel like Fauna/Nimi also numberfagged her graduation way harder. Ame had been checked out for years, she went with that ambiguous affiliate option that no one fully understood and without stating any particular reason for leaving, and split her audience between youtube and twitch. I think most people just went "yea that's not that surprising I guess" and let her do her thing unless they were diehard teamates before.
Fauna dropped the graduation bomb pretty much at her peak with a surprisingly blunt and curt announcement that led a bunch of drama and debuted shortly after with a fan name that's one letter off from her holo fan name and while constantly talking about how she's "still" green and basically promising to continue her ongoing holo playthroughs with the same saves. It was super weird how she handled her graduation, I guess I might have a bit more corpo drone in me than I thought but I found the whole thing kinda distasteful.

No. 455705

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I don’t know why but I find it amusing that Nene’s back to having a Chinese-themed outfit years after dumping her original design

No. 455773

>>455705
I’m surprised it took this long since they’ve been fine with China for a while now

No. 455963

>>455705
tbh her "new default" look with the bear motif is way cuter than her original chinese inspired one. and this new look even more so

No. 456032

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>>455705
It's well known that her OG outfit was a huge nerf for her but I'm glad they revisited the Chinese motif as I think execution, not concept, was the issue. The alt is adorable, too. I always love a jiangshi costume.

No. 456072

>>456032
the hair is cute and i like the jiangshi pose

No. 456472

>>447265
Do I need a gaming pc? Or laptop with much space? If that’s necessary I can’t join you unfortunately.

No. 456606

>>455705
It kinda looks like Pekora's new outfit

No. 456656

>>456606
both are jiangshi themed. i can see the two doing halloween streams together in that outfit

No. 457304

I'm NGL it annoys me when Kronii's IRL appearance gets discussed so often and the chat loses it about how hot she must be. She's had a jaw shave and rib removal and talked a lot about dieting all in the few years she's been in Holo and all that added to the fact that she was (maybe still is?) a genderspecial really raises an eyebrow for me.

No. 457497

>>457304
yeah..i'm glad she found success as Kronii, and she deserves all of the success she's gotten, but its annoying sometimes seeing people really force this "omg she's so feminine" thing onto her when that isn't the thing she really goes for during her streams.
It's giving feminization fetish, and i've had annoying moids try to do that to me back in my tumblr nonbinry days. (imo if people feel the need to identify as any kind of genderspecial, it's usually because they have a complex about their appearance and the way they're perceived by others due to their sex)

No. 457510

>>457497
>>457304
Something that confuses me about Kronii is that she seems to want a non-sexual, androgynous appearance for her Vtuber avatar, as shown with her post-debut costume choices. Yet, at the same time, she gets extreme surgeries done on her real body and does excessive dieting. Most people, if they had to choose, would rather sexualize their vtuber avatar and keep their actual body normal, but with Kronii it's the other way around. What's the psychology behind this?

No. 457524

>>457304
I've always wondered why she applied despite being a they/them whatever. I know that one girl in Niji is a they/them.. how did they get away with it? Is it cause Niji is catered more to women?

No. 457530

>>457524
money security im pretty sure. She was a struggling VA before Hololive.

No. 457533

>>457497
I think you're missing my point. When people say she's androgynous it seems like a cope because like another nonna said she's gone out of her way to undergo extreme cosmetic surgeries (which she claims totally aren't cosmetic, but seriously– who gets both a rib removal and jaw reshaping for noncosmetic reasons and then suddenly has an uptick in IRL people saying how hot she is afterwards?) She also started suddenly talking about how big her boobs are at some point last year.
I'm tired of seeing her shilled a certain way when she's clearly very into her looks.
>>457524
Niji has tons of genderspecials both on and off stream.
Hana, Uki, and Melissa all actually identify as nonbinary IRL and Ryushen is a they/them character as well although I think IRL they're a woman. Mayuzumi was a trans woman IRL at the time he was in Niji. Genzuki has been slowly trooning out across his models and talked about his complicated feelings towards gender.
Anyways it's not hard to imagine why one might go to Holo though when it automatically means massive cash kek.

No. 457534

>>457510
think about it. her job IS to sexualize herself on a daily basis to make money from simps, and she's been doing this for years.
eventually the character of Kronii might've actually sunk into her psyche somehow. When you play a role for so long you eventually become it. Imo its just a form of body dysphoria/dysmorphia thats presenting in another way, and it's probably the only way for her to feel comfortable playing the Kronii character without wanting to hide her models body is to change her actual physical appearance irl to be on the same level. (Idk i'm just throwing out psychobabble here)

No. 457550

>>457534
Kek I'm glad you're self-aware but this was entertaining
As long as we're going off the wall with rrats I think her desire to id as something other than female also stems from the fact that she's clearly a lesbian or at least a female-leaning bisexual and sounds like she is, or used to be, one-sidedly in love with her best friend.

No. 457870

>>457533
Had no idea that Niji had so many genderspecials. I was actually thinking about Aia(?) I know she was in NjiEn. There's also that ex Niji FTM, forgot her name. However I can see money being the reason why Kronii joined.

No. 458024

>>457870
Kek I totally memoryholed Yugo, I mostly just feel bad for her in particular because she had a severely abused childhood iirc. I'm glad to see her doing better after Niji.
I didn't know that Aia was a genderspecial?

No. 458551

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Maybe it's nostalgia but I still like Ame/Dooby, even though she's fallen off a bit. She's goofy and not too try-hard. It's nice.

No. 459588

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posting this here since the /w/ thread is fullshondos (the pedo pander vtuber who calls women "holes") mother's supposedly tried to kill herself but she cant not grift this to her pedo moids for money, always remember that everytime you think a pedo pickme cant get any lower she can!

No. 459725

>>458551
I think she's sweet and talented, just not necessarily as a performer at the level indicated by her popularity in Holo. Being Dooby suits her more.

No. 459750

>>457533
For Ryushen, isn't it more about being androgynous while keeping their gender a secret, rather than an actual genderspecial/troon thing? I feel like it's a bit of a specific case compared to the others you listed, and it has been a part of their character setting since the start.

No. 459821

>>459588
how long ago was this?

No. 459922

>>459750
That's what I was implying when I said that the person behind Ryushen is a woman (I've seen pictures of her PL) who doesn't actually identify as any variety of trans, yes. Ryushen being "nonbinary" is closer to Debi and Choma's sexlessness than it is to whatever Melissa or even Genzuki have going on.

No. 460317

>>459588
I don't get it, where's she begging for money? I don't like her but she's just venting which is annoying and parasocial but it's not like she's scamming anyone

No. 461771

>>460317
You need to understand. Sometimes people hate chuubas for loli models and decide everything they do is bad. You're 100% right that she's not asking for money. She's just trauma dumping on her fans the way most streamers do. There's no sense of privacy, but it's not a cashgrab. And it's not even on stream.

No. 461998

>>461771
And they are right. She has both a loli model and is a piece of shit.

No. 461999

>>459588
idk who this is but i just checked her twitter and she seems really depressed. sadly i cant feel bad for anybody who larps as a child for pedo scrotes

No. 462006

>>459588
well that explains how she ended up being like that, pretty fucked up

No. 462007

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>>459588
>>461771
She's fucking nuts and completely deserves the hate she gets

No. 462014

>>462007
You can literally hear her mental instability in her laugh kek

No. 462027

Does anyone have any vtuber recs that feel less nlog and more authentic? The less corpo feeling the better.

No. 462068

>>462007
If I were shadowmama I'd try to kill myself too. Imagine carrying a baby for 9 months and this degenerate ingrate comes out

No. 462079

>>462007
Isn't this the same bitch who joked about letting men beat their wives? It should've been her instead of her poor mom.

No. 462094

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Have you ever had a change of opinion about a talent, either negatively or positively? I used to avoid shiori because I found her cringe but when she started showing more of her genuine interests I actually found her sort of endearing, that + the snufkin yume sperging during her moominvalley vod kek

No. 462097

>>462007
Pick me final boss kek. "My womb is eternal" do the men who watch her not realize they can't actually have kids with 2D characters and that her womb doesn't even exist. How is that even an epic own if real women are out there having children and your anime girl never will outside of your delusions and fanart or something. Even if you follow their own retarded logic that women are worthless if they aren't fertile it doesn't make any sense as that would mean by definition a 2D girl is actually more worthless than a 3D one because she can't ever give birth. Also the amount of copium these men must be on is really something, they can't actually get a gf irl or are just pedophiles but will pretend it's actually because real women are just walled hags. I don't know her age but I don't really understand saying this when you're just a real woman yourself behind the model as well, she's basically insulting herself because she's also a real woman outside of her vtuber persona.
>>462094
Honestly I can't think of any right now, but your post motivated me to check out more of Shiori's stuff.

No. 462103

>>462027
what streams are you into? zatsudan, music, FPS?

No. 462112

>>462097
>My womb is eternal
nona i think shes referencing how her model is of a child

No. 462113

>>462112
I know. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to bring up wombs when anime girls can't give them children in the first place no matter how young and child like they look.

No. 462573

>>462094
Honestly? Gigi. I guess not hate, but she really really grew on me. She's funny and energetic. I would call her one of my favourites in HololiveEN (Nothing beats Mori though)

No. 462586

>>462027
Amiya Aranha
>>462094
Ceres Fauna

No. 462589

>>462573
Oh, same. Ironically Mori, too– although I think in Calli's case I really loved her development arc, I don't think I would have turned around on her if I hadn't watched her grow so much as a person in real time. She used to be the reason I didn't watch Holo and now I just see her as a funny streamer and caring senpai to later gens.

No. 462590

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>>459588
Sad thing is shondo isn't even the worst pick me vtuber out there, picrel made a piece of audio where she pretended to schlick to baby cp, with edited sounds of a baby crying in the background

No. 462650

>>462590
i love how she coped with "i do it so pedos wont hurt real kids" as if she isnt also totally into the shit she makes and does it for fun

No. 463071

>>462590
Wtf? Who is this

No. 463090

>>462590
Wtf I looked her up and apparently from the comment section of a video exposing her, people are saying she dubbed over actual csem? We need to start doxxing people like this

No. 463178

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>>463090
>people are saying she dubbed over actual csem?
There's technically "no evidence" of this as of now, but somebody did claim she had realistic ai cp on her computer which she used for her audios. She said this is true but she just took the image from pixiv. Idk what the image is but I imagine that could get her arrested in the US

No. 463186

>>463178
>There's technically "no evidence" of this as of now,
It wasnt actual csem but she pretending to mastrubate while listening a baby cry to imply it was cp she was getting off to (you can find it on kiwifarms)The moid she lived with had actually harmed a child (he raped his 13 year old cousin) plus the servers she was admin in had cp traded and shared

No. 463192

>>463178
Why do they always look like that

No. 463194

>>463192
you know why, always know the more coomery the vtuber model the more ugly the person behind it. also holy fuck theres a literal nuke going on in these faggots community so many vtuber pedos literally shitting themselves scared kekk and admitting they protect pedophiles in their groups

No. 463353

>>462094
Gigi (thought she was too loud on debut, but now i love her. admire the creativity and authenticity) and Fauna (though I got into her a year before she graduated)

No. 463429

>>462590
The sob emoji backpack…Couldn't be any more blatant with the pandering. I hate that lolicons ruined that emoji.

No. 463869

>>462590
>>463178
>>462650
recently saw this bittycat related video on YouTube.
Mizutamari and his friend isn't "technically" defending her but when they said "predators can be redeemed, they deserve hugs and kisses" i was speechless

No. 463889

>>463869
oh isnt that the video where the bitch hes interviewing confirms that these groups actively protect pedophiles who do commit the crime? i hope all of the people go jump into a vat of acid including that pregnant zoophile pomf admin i hope to god cps takes that child away

No. 463892

>>463869
well yeah. this lines up with Mizutamari's other opinions and the underthetea channel's members have been in more than one instance of drama. it's not the first time the blue one defends loli either. hope you dont watch them for their opinions or anything.

No. 464334

>Kamioshi's concert is tn
>Didn't buy tickets cause I was supposed to go on unrelated trip
>Can no longer afford concert.
I am so sad. I love you Mori if you are reading this thread.

No. 465121

>>463178
looking like who did it and why. pandering to pedos is her only way of feeling liked i suppose

No. 466268

I don't follow DEV_IS much, but I know we have Aofags.

No. 466333

>>466268
I'd really love to know her viewer statistics because this is a Rika Pokemon level of girl x girl yoombait.

No. 467150

>Shion graduating from hololive citing conflict with management
Now with Shion, this is unsurprising given how long she's been in hololive, but i really don't understand having a corpo oshi in 2025.
After my oshi graduated, I just started watching indies. Nice not having to pay for overpriced merch that delivers in a year, and to know if my oshi decided to stop streaming it'd be 100% of them and not because of some outside forces influencing them.

No. 467391

>>467150
Shion graduating… I feel like this is one everybody saw coming. I think it's healthier for her this way, both she and Haachama started way too young.
If I'm honest I more or less left the hobby after my oshi graduated even though she reincarnated right after. I didn't just like her, I liked having an oshi within the Holo setup. So it didn't feel the same watching her all on her lonesome. But with the way corpo careers usually go, it's not worth finding a new oshi, either.

No. 467515

>>467150
speaking as a corpo enjoyer: they still have high production value events like 3d lives and shows, and more opportunities for interesting interactions between differing personality types like PekoVivi recently on the Minecraft server. i might like an individual well enough on their own, but the sort of thing only a corpo environment can provide is an entertainment multiplier.
as for Shion, she started back as a teenager when hololive was just a side gig where you goof off with dodos in Ark, but then here we are in 2025 with holomems having concerts at Nippon Budokan and singing for One Piece and Gundam. she’s also open about having ongoing mental health issues that don’t seem to be getting any better; she was on extended hiatus before and only really came back because she wanted to see off Aqua. I mean yeah, if you have her as your oshi, you’d have to be wilfully blind to not see the writing on the wall, but if you have, say, the bau bau twins who jumped in feet first into the current hololive and join every big collab event and 3d live, I don’t think you need to be too worried.
but in the end, corpo or indie, they’re going to stop eventually, and as a viewer it really doesn’t matter to me whether its from corpo machinations, personal reasons or they just got plain tired of it. i think the mature thing to do is to realize this is all just entertainment and to step back, enjoy their streams as they are and not worry about it.

No. 467633

>>466268
Aofag here, I like this song
>>467150
I'm just surprised it wasn't Gura first, she's always the one I think is gonna graduate next. Shion's default outfit was always one of the worst designs in Hololive imo, it was just too blatantly pandering to lolicons with the exposed mid riff and miniskirt. Some of her more normal alt outfits were cute though.

No. 467685

>>467391
>I didn't just like her, I liked having an oshi within the Holo setup. So it didn't feel the same watching her all on her lonesome.
Maybe not in Holo setup, but I feel like oshis collabing again will happen after they graduate. Eventually.
But mine are Mint, Matara and Michi, so maybe I'm too optimistic.
You're right about things being a bit different, but for me it's just that lockdown is over.

No. 467821

>>467685
I think that's a big part of it too.
The thing I miss most about Holo are the big events to look forward to with a set ensemble cast you're familiar with. The indie scene feels like a big mash of weird crossovers with no coordination and I'm not into it, although I can see why others might be. The events don't feel the same, either.

No. 467823

>>467633
Can I be honest I know every Holo fan loves sucking off Yagoo or whatever but in the back of my mind I've always found him gross to some degree for greenlighting designs like Shion's.

No. 467840

>>467821
as an indie fan who also became a holo fan i can see why you think they're weird crossovers if you're not familiar with the streamer and their friend group and dynamic already? i like the amount of chaos and fun personalities that holo girls are, but i also like how unfiltered indies can get and how they can discuss certain topics, fandoms, and opinions that corpo might want their talents to avoid. i can see them play games that corpos havent got permission for

No. 467906

Most nonas ITT seem to like female chuubas so I'm not sure if I'll get blasted for shilling a male-only corpo, but in case anyone is interested I consider FSP EN the gold standard for small corpos and EN males in general. The branch is only a year old so there are 10 members and no graduations so far (knock on wood). As streamers I think they're quite professional, I don't really get the same loser moid vibes as I do from others I've watched.

No. 468030

>>467906
idk about fsp but the holostars have quite a few fans here.
ive only ever been able to get into the stars among male chuubas, tried watching fsp occassionally after they debuted but they came off as really forced fujobaity. maybe that's changed.

No. 468078

>>467391
I think for me the transition was easier because i never really cared for collabs to begin with. also never had time in my day for more than one oshi so i was never keeping up with others in the gen etc.

No. 468130

>>467823
Yeah I don't really get the dicksucking he gets either

No. 468180

>>468030
They've definitely calmed down a bit over time but yeah the fujobaiting can be a lot. I am kind of a fujofag though so ymmv

No. 468204

>>468180
I'm a fujofag too but I think it feels too much like calculated RPF for my tastes or something… I think it's funny to ship the male chuubas who hate being put in ships though. Different strokes for different folks, I'm glad you enjoy your boys.
Who's your oshi? I've heard like nothing about the 2nd gen.

No. 468205

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Nonnies who was your first oshi and who is your current oshi?
For me:
First was Sasaki Saku, current is Inugami Korone.

No. 468277

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>>468204
Thank you anon! I'm really picky so I've oshihen'd a lot outside of FSP but Gale is my favorite guy. I like his high energy and his bits are actually funny, he makes me giggle like an idiot.
The 2nd gen is still very new but I like Malim, he's nice to fall asleep to (not in a bad way)

No. 468645

>>468205
>First oshi
Sana and Vesper. I have terrible luck lol

>Second oshi

idk..i'm still on the lookout for someone that will actually stay, but also fits my sense of humor. I don't like squeaky clean seiso vtubers. If anyone has any suggestions i'd like it.

No. 468818

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>>468205
My first oshi was Magni. I liked him enough that I tried to follow him after he left Holo but he turned out to be a disgusting coomer, surprise surprise moids are only tolerable when they are contained somehow.
Now the vtuber I watch most is Octavio, he is very ambitious and I like his music journey. His 3D is in three weeks and I'm excited to see how that goes

No. 468915

>>468818
from what i've seen not!Magni is still having problems with starting too many projects and not sticking to them. I can see how going from that to Octavio, someone who also starts a lot of projects but actually sees them through to the end, must be amazing.
Who was that one girl that told him out in his comments one time then switched over to Altare and Shinri as her oshis? She was based.

No. 469117

I find it a bit weird that so many nonnas here are into hololive when so much of hololive is clearly deliberately pandering to the grossest types of moids. People were praising Kronii earlier in this thread and now she sang the pedo pandering song at holofes, I get being desensitized to gross shit in weeb spaces since that's just how it goes but surely there's a limit.

No. 469144

>>469117
The last time Kronii got mentioned in this thread it was nonnas calling out the hypocrisy of her pretending her numerous cosmetic surgeries aren't numerous cosmetic surgeries.

No. 469194

>>468915
I hadn't thought about it that much but it really is great seeing Octavio actually sticking to his goals! It's also funny because Octavio is a doctor iirc while Magni flunked med school twice KEK

No. 469303

>>469194
what kind of doctor is Octavio? has he ever talked about it?
Med school takes a pretty long time to complete if you're looking towards becoming a physician (like 11 to 15 years)

No. 469307

>>469117
>>469144
yeah…I like Kronii because she stands her ground and stuff when people bother her, and she's very focused on her goals but I stopped watching her around the time the collabs with holostars was happening, the thing that happened with her mafia cover, and now all this weird pandering she's doing to hardcore holomoids. Not saying she has to go full SJW but thats just creepy.

No. 469402

Not sure why anons are spreading the idea that Kronii had multiple plastic surgeries. She had a jaw misalignment surgery and had a rib removed due to infection. Not a "jaw shave" and "rib removal to look like irl anime girl" kek

No. 469408

>>469117
I mean that goes for most anime and other media as well, not just vtubers or hololive. Sure there's a limit but it depends on each person how much they're willing to ignore when they get into media that is catered to a male audience, some people will just enjoy whatever aspects they like about it and ignore the moidshit. I don't watch Kronii myself but I've seen other women be into her just because of her personality or some funny clips they saw of her or something. And if you ask me it's weirder to be shocked that a thread about vtubers would have fans of the hololive girls when they're the most popular vtubers by far kek and what got most people into vtubing in the first place. I would only be weirded out if people here were into vtubers like >>462590 or >>462007 , not hololive girls with literal millions of subscribers.

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>>468205
>First
Korone, I think she's how I first got into vtubers
>Current
Not sure. I tend to move around a lot nowadays.

No. 469493

>>469303
I don't catch every single stream so I could've missed it if he did. He did have a scan of his brain near debut so I would assume it's something to do with that. I don't know a lot about the medical field, especially the English terms for things, idk if he is a full on doctor doctor or just a nurse but he does have a vast knowledge about anatomy

No. 469502

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>>469462
That korone outfit is so cute. It's my favorite of hers

No. 469506

>>469402
Jaw misalignment is the same excuse lots of Asian celebrities use to justify their cosmetic surgery and rib removal is also done as a cosmetic procedure. She's also talks a lot about dieting. In the last couple of years she suddenly got super open about talking about how big her boobs are too. In the same time period people she's met IRL have started gushing about how pretty she's gotten. It's not confirmed but these speculations aren't stretches.

No. 469508

>>469303
I remember radiologist being said a lot around the time of his debut but I didn't every see concrete evidence posted for it.
>>469303
Octavio is a doctor. I don't have it on hand because his fans pretty assiduously scrubbed their digging clean after people went too far with the investigation, but he has a post history dating back over a decade indicating that he's both in his 30s and has completed medical school. He had some of the worst opsec in Stars on debut.

No. 469584

>>469502
NTA but Korone is one of the few hololive girls i still watch regularly. She hasn't moved too far away from the charm that got her a lot of attention years ago, and she's not coomerbaiting in the slightest (yes im still kinda miffed at what happened with Okayu)

No. 469594

>>469584
Yeah Okayu is too coomerbait-y these days, sucks

No. 469612

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Harsh, I knew her family has a history of severe mental illnesses. Sad to have a mother die regardless

No. 469613

>>469612
yet she still cant even refer to her mother as mom than to use the retarded fandom speak, fucking bleak poor mom giving birth to such a vile person.

No. 469992

Does Cece have a slight lisp or is it an accent thing?

No. 470363

I would love to befriend more female fans of Hololive but at the same time every time I peruse the fan spaces every woman regardless of age seems to talk like a hyperactive zoomer and I just can't do it lol…

No. 470372

>>469992
Don't really watch her much but from what I've seen it seemed like she kind of had an accent? Not sure though.
>>470363
Kek I have the same problem. I feel like a tired boomer when I see them talk. Plus I'm socially anxious so I struggle to reach out to other people. One aspect I envy about vtubers in companies like hololive is how it seems like they instantly get access to a bunch of female friends into the same things (vtubing, games, weeb stuff) by just joining the company and doing activities together.

No. 470384

>>470372
Ah, 100% agreed. Sometimes I wish I was in Hololive just to make friends with similar interests and goals. Especially when events like the expo roll around, it's very sweet to hear about them excitedly meeting each other for the first time and sightseeing, performing together.
Speaking of which, I'd also really like to attend the expo one year and watch my oshi perform. But going to such an event as a solo female traveller sort of intimidates me.

No. 470409

anyone watch the new nijisanji en debuts? surprised that zeal is going to release 5 original songs early in. grabs my attention so far.

No. 470502

>>470409
I thought they're cute but I find it weird most of them can't sing that well considering they're focusing on singing

No. 470549

>>470384
Yeah it's cute seeing their interactions and how they get past the language barriers sometimes when it's the JP girls interacting with ENs. It seems too stressful for me as a job though, all those eyes on you, having to learn how to sing and dance, streaming consistently (well, some of them don't, but still). I don't think I could do it besides as a hobby even if it seems like a nice way to meet female friends.

>solo female traveller

I'd be scared too, would probably drag a family member with me just to not be on my own kek.

No. 470651

>>470409
Kaelix is making me go full time, cute inoccent mentally healthy normie…

No. 470706

>>470409
Crazy that they got CircusP for Zeal considering NijiEN's reputation as of late. Not going to watch this gen but curious to see if it helps him get past the huge debuff NijiEN debuts have at all.

No. 470823

>>470409
Going through the 2.0s now and so far I'm only interested in watching kaelix but we've yet to experience the first week so who knows. I'm glad nijiEN is back to hiring people with talents and interests instead of just twitch vtubers with no personality. The reason nijiEN had a boom in their first waves was because they were hiring people with work ethic and a life outside of streaming so they brought their skills and interests into their streams. I hope they keep this up cause I want to watch vtubers with company support but I don't want to share a space with holocels and stars' sjw fans.

No. 470930

>>470823
>stars' sjw fans
how are nijien fans any different from stars fans fans?

No. 471001

>>470823
You're going to be disappointed, the fanbase for Niji males is a lot worse than the Stars' when it comes to SJW fans. The Stars' fans at least don't seem to see who they watch as as much of a moral stance. It was always kind of bad but ever since the Selen incident polarized things further, the remaining fans of Niji's males have a defensive moral superiority stance on who they watch kek

No. 471184

>>470823
>I want to watch vtubers with company support but I don't want to share a space with holocels and stars' sjw fans.
If that's your problem, then Nijijp's fanbase isn't too bad (if you know enough Japanese). You can't completely escape annoying people in this hobby, but as someone who can't stand EN corpos' communities either, I found Nijijp to be surprisingly bearable (both the fans of the male and female talents).

No. 471193

>>471184
I agree with this NijiJP has a pretty laid back fanbase (or maybe it's just becaise there's such a broad selection to find what suits you from).
Nonnie complains about StarsEN's fanbase but I feel like StarsJP has it even worse due to the confluence of idol fan mindset with people who constantly feel their idols are being slighted by management.

No. 471537

>>470409
I’m really keen on Zeal I can’t lie. Just watched his fnaf stream and he has a real chill and cozy vibe about him. It’s also really nice to see a male fan of SideM given how many Imas girl branch fans (usually men lol) shit on it. Speaking of this new gen, anyone have any idea about PLs yet?

No. 471539

>>471537
No idea about the others, but Zeal is CircusP and definitely the big hire for this gen (given the target market, probably the biggest PL hire NijiEN has gotten so far, a shane the branch is past its prime and can't really capitalize on it).

No. 471565

>>471539
i think NijiEN has somewhat recovered. i dont know how it was for nijien men before, but before the black company thing, vivi was doing fine at 1-2k CCV for some time before fans soured on the the company. seible's at the same numbers right now and zeal's other stream was at 4k last i saw, so let's see if they keep the momentum.

No. 471578

>>471565
Not too bad, but the NijiEN males at their peak were comparable to the HoloEN girls in terms of CCV and income, and they generally fall at about a quarter of that success currently. They haven't recovered, although they were falling off steadily for a long time before the Selen drama.
I think a big part of the issue is that they came into a thirsty market with something that wasn't being provided, but the NijiEN males were like… Let's be honest, the majority are kinda talentless and unmotivated compared to, say, their corpos heavy hitters on the JP side or the Stars. So they weren't able to sustain the platform. If Zael had come in during that era and been properly supported I think he would have done really, really well for himself and maintained that success in comparison.

No. 471639

>>471578
>they were falling off steadily for a long time before the Selen drama
I noticed this, I think it's because they had more of a normie heavy audience who got back to being busy post-covid. NijiEN first waves, especially Luxiem, somehow brought in people new to vtubers which is how they blew up. I don't think the new wave can really achieve that. Now that people are not stuck at home looking for entertainment online anymore, they need to try to capture people who are already into vtubers. That said, NijiEN slowing down the debuts would definitely help as their last waves struggled with keeping their audience.

No. 471682

>>471639
This, but particularly with Luxium even their more gachi fans generally moved on to greener pastures. Not sure why, although I know in Vox's case it was because he actively alienated his audience with weird creative projects that trashed his own established status quo.

No. 471699

>>471639
Why did so many JP fans leave? I kinda get why western/SEA fans left over time but even JP fans which were partly the reason NijiEN males blew up eventually abandoned them.

No. 471747

>>471699
I feel like the significant East Asian fanbase that left wasn't Japanese, it was Chinese and I'm still not entirely sure why. But from what I saw it was definitely Chinese gachis that generated so much profit for Luxiem during their peak.
Maybe they moved on to Virtuareal and other native creators but I don't actually closely observe the Chinese fanbase when it's not intersecting with English spaces so I can't say.

No. 471999

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Chibidoki used to be the only Vtuber I watched because I don't know many Vtubers and she's silly instead of blatant coomerbait/lolibait. But then I discovered the model she used before her chibi big headed one… I'm so disappointed.

No. 473495

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Lol I wish I could make fun of the unicorns crashing out over Shiori collabing with Jurard but I kinda get it when it's Jurard. He's one of only 2 Holostars I just won't watch even in collabs. The only good thing about him is his model.

No. 473496

>>469584
What happened with Okayu, all I know is the moids shipped them hard and Holo kind of went with it a little

No. 473498

>>473496
OkaKoro are fine, nonna is referring to how current Okayu is unrecognizable compared to the Okayu we started with.
I similarly used to like her the same way I liked Korone, they had good game taste and were relatively unsexual streamers anybody could get into. Korone is still the same but Okayu's become very male pandering in recent years.
It's different enough that I've even heard complaints from the male side of the fanbase who were formerly into her for being a tomboy or whatever.

No. 473508

>>473502
She seems fun to have as a friend but as a streamer her humor is a little too random lulz for me to enjoy.
I believe that a lot of the people having melties over this are actual viewers, though. It seems counterintuitive but she has a lot of unicorns and the taunting from other fans that she's destined to collab with guys only ever made them dig their heels in deeper in defense.
Good for the Stars fans though, I guess…? I've seen a considerable amount of irrational hatred lobbed at her over the past couple years as well insisting that she's a filthy liar baiting the boys by acting like she's going to collab with them at debut and never doing it kek. People will hate a woman over anything.

No. 473516

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I always laugh at the body proportions of Kronii's 3D model, it's so goofy

No. 473549

>>473495
>He's one of only 2
I'm curious who the other one is. I agree though, he's moid tier

No. 473554

>>473516
she's like a stickbug with tits kek

No. 473567

>>473516
Kronii's fullbody design was so bad it made me fully sober up and start disliking Wada Arco's art. Although to be fair I had also recently quit playing FGO.
>>473549
Gibby, I don't think he's as bad as Jurard I just think his content and style is in total incongruency with what I like. He also burped and such in his early streams which was just a gross turnoff for me.
I also just find both he and Jurard chronically unfunny along with having annoying voices.

No. 473601

>>473495
I feel bad for agreeing with moids on this but I honestly don't feel comfortable when they collab with men. Not that I like it when they pander to unicorns as in the case of FWMC, but the moment a man shows up everything feels so uncomfortable.

No. 473606

>>473601
Yeah to be honest it turned me off during the first round of collabs back with the Tempus debut. I watch Holo to enjoy female friendship (if that makes sense…?) and the vibe is just different with the male collabs.
It's unfortunate that that aligns me with men who feel cucked or maligned in some way by male collabs but what can I say. Men in chat are easy to ignore when I never open chat to begin with, a retarded moid on screen is actually obnoxious.

No. 473625

>>473495
Unicorns we're going to have a meltdown regardless of the male, but she chose Jurard out of everyone to collab with? He admitted to create drama with the female holds so he can stay relevant, what a retarded decision

No. 473709

>>473625
This is why I hate him and no amount of well meaning women who just want support to Holostars will make me watch him. He's literally like if 4chan made up an annoying guy to get mad over, and even felt proud of leeching from the girls. I know Hololive has an annoying incel fanbase but as a woman I can't imagine supporting a dude who's literally using women and treating them as stepping stones when that's happened to so many women before. It's so gross honestly. Women will always be blamed by unicorns when a female and male vtuber collab, it's easy for him to act smug about "hate watchers" when he's not the one directly affected by hate.

No. 473710

>>473625
Yeah I have no idea either why she wanted to collab with him specifically. Obviously we don't know how he is off stream but I personally wouldn't want to be associated with a blatant dramabaiter who's main MO is to make people angry, even his genmates seem to have taken some distance to him.

No. 473716

>>473709
Oh yeah and I forgot to mention he literally taunted antis by saying that hes talking to them off stream in such a disgusting moid way that made it obvious he was trying to brag when I'm pretty sure the girls themselves only maintain a professional relationship with him.

No. 473761

>>473716
It's like management learned nothing from Vesper taunting antis in the same way and bringing down issues for the whole branch, except Jurard doesn't have the excuse that he's on a mentally ill spinout from stress and anxiety. Jurard's personality just blows kek

No. 473944

Tried but couldn't finish the VOD, all I can say is that I would have vastly preferred a collab with Flayon or Octavio for vibes match.

No. 474075

>>473944
shiori is collabing with flayon this week

No. 474397

>>474075
LOL Okay I forgive her for the crime of collabing with Jurard in that case. Will definitely be watching. I still want her and Octavio to do a weird/gross facts educational stream or something together one day.
Also it's hilarious that she's apparently just going full steam ahead with male collabs. Good for her doing what she wants, although I have to wonder what triggered the sudden change in protocol.

No. 474412

>>474397
what if every week she collabs with a new holostars until she collabs with all of them and filters every unicorns in the fanbase. would be based. unpopular opinion, but i liked that her first choice was jurard. because of that hate marketing thing, he would have filtered more unicorns for her for the first time than another holostars.

No. 474424

>>474412
You say unpopular opinion but I have to imagine that that's the reason she chose him. They had no chemistry and she seemed very unfamiliar with him, but is the Stars member most likely to be willing to do a collab regardless of that.

No. 474425

Shiori and Bettel should do a 3D collab where she dissects him IRL. For me.

No. 474473

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sorry for pl shit but this was from jurard's old channel

No. 474476

>>474473
Yeah I'm with the unicorns on this one. Why they decided to hire him is beyond me

No. 474496

>>474473
PLs are openly discussed here and these were talked about here back when he debuted.

No. 474532

>>474473
>that bag
Hiring a pedomoid? Who woulda thought!

No. 474548

>>474532
>pedo
explain

No. 474552

>>474548
Probably because it's randoseru bag which is commonly used in lolibait artworks?

No. 474585

>>474476
Same, even a broken clock is right twice a day, this scrote really has no business being part of holo. I like Holostars a lot, I got into them around when the EN branch first debuted but Jurard is singlehandedly soiling my enjoyment of the whole group.

No. 474679

>>474397
>I have to wonder what triggered the sudden change in protocol
I'm guessing she is finally set up for life from the Holo money, and now is free to do whatever the fuck she wants. It could explain the previous flip flop on her audience when she stopped giving them kisses, as well as her extremely fake GFE

No. 474809

>>474473
That should be a red flag with new hires. yuck.

No. 474834

>>474679
I gotta wonder if she was actually making that much money, though? She's not one of the popular members of Hololive by any metric so I'd assume she's just making a decent but not extravagant salary. Taking the kind of action she has in those circumstances doesn't seem financially motivated.
I do feel like Liz's entrance to Holo tested the waters again re:Stars collabs after the MagVes graduations rendered them more or less taboo outside of Bae collabing with Bettel and Shinri that one time. It went alright for Liz so maybe Shiori just feels comfortable doing something she's always been interested in.
If she keeps collabing with the Stars I'd be interested in seeing if it seems like she's already friends with amy of them. I want to see the unicorn meltie that would ensue kek it'd induce significant paranoia that all their oshis talk to the Stars behind the scenes.

No. 474848

>>474834
Shiori and Flayon are friends already, unicorns had a meltdown once when he replied under one of her voice tweets

No. 474858

>>474473
jesus h christ how did he pass the first audition? Is he a nepo hire like the niji en guys were?

No. 474863

>>474858
Jurard and Ollie have been friends before debut if I recall correctly, so who knows

No. 474987

>>474858
He made a retarded joke that seemed to assert Ollie got him in as a nepo hire but I think it was just him making inconsiderate insinuations. IIRC he also got into NijisanjiEN but turned them down for Holo.

No. 475033

>>474987
Rare niji win

No. 475427

>>474473
>>474809
I have to assume Holo doesn't do background checks on applicants. Or their standards are very lax.

No. 475436

>>471999
idk when i discovered it, i felt disgust but also proud(?) that she doesn't coomerbait anymore and is her real, goofy self (watching clips of her early career is very cringe with the fake cute voice she used)

No. 475442

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Don't watch her but Kronii's new outfit is cute

No. 475447

>>475442
The breasts look so weird they kind of ruin the vibe

No. 475456

>>475447
True, it'd look better if they were smaller or just less emphasized. But I still like it overall

No. 475518

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i still dislike the breast focus but it's overall pretty tame and cute

No. 475589

>>475447
Her legs are by far one of the most retarded elements of her design so I'm happy whenever their shape sufficiently covered by clothing, such as in her past 2 outfits.

No. 475676

Seems like Mumei is graduating/Affiliate.

No. 475679

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inb4 another graduation

No. 475680

>>475676
kek you beat me to it

No. 475737

>>475447
They're so disproportionate that I just find them funny. It's tall and slender model-type body with balloon tits slapped on, it's just silly.

No. 475751

>>475679
If I'm being honest it's really fun and free entertainment whenever we get a big grad.

No. 475777

Aw, you can tell that Shiori and Flayon are actual friends and it'snice seeing Flayon collab with somebody who shares more of his other interests. I forgive the Jurard collab.

No. 475813

>internal misalignment with the company again
Well, that's that I guess.

No. 475962

i wonder if it's the literal song and dance routine that gets to the council girls, like sana, fauna, and now mumei, that makes them want to leave. i don't know about kronii but as far as i can tell, bae seems to be the only one that's all-in to the non-streaming side of holo that she actually moved to Japan for it and does her own dance choreography.
>>475679
same, after sana i couldn't really find myself to be upset about it and just want to watch the fireworks. maybe she and dokibird can hang out now or whatever.

No. 475964

>>475962
oops meant to reply to >>475751

No. 476001

>>475751
The thing that makes me sad is the design being retired when a vtuber graduates since I don't have the time to actively follow most of them. I didn't really care about Fauna graduating because I never liked her design and I prefer what she looks like as Nimi. But for Mumei she had one of my favorites so that sucks

No. 476052

>>476001
Mumei's design is one of the best in the EN vtubing sphere imo. Not too horny, yet not too bland.
Rivals Korone in that regard, so it's sad she'll be retiring it.
Even if she were to redebut, I don't think anything can beat it.

No. 476056

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>>476052
Exactly, it was a nice design. Her hoodie on picrel looked comfy and cute. I also liked her default outfit, casual and new years. I wanted to draw her at some point and was meaning to get into her content but now she graduated so I guess I'll just have to do that even after she's gone.

No. 476062

>>475447
>>475442
the outfit looks cute, but Kronii's personality kinda makes it seem like a girl that's dressing up for picture day in something her mom forced on her.

No. 476094

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>>476052
mumei's design is one i would recognize immediately for holo EN while cute but not overdesigned. it may be the old in me, but her emo costume is one of my favourites. as for other EN vtuber designs, Inanna Bell's fairy design is also really pretty to me. the best designs outside of EN i've noticed are probably from the korean, mandarin-speaking and spanish-speaking sides. too bad about the language barrier and timezones

No. 476112

>>469584
>>469594
>>473498
Recently had this video pop up in my recommended addressing Okayu's change. Korone yelling at her to go back to her old self in the beginning made me laugh. But yeah it's pretty bad, the clip they show of her talking after the change with the porn sounding moans is awful, you can't even watch it safely without headphones.

No. 476117

>>476112
You know it's bad when so many of your coomer fans call you out for being too coomery what a downfall korone was truly the better one out of the duo she never sold out to coombait aswell as suesei

No. 476121

>>475962
IDK Fauna I didn't believe but when Mumei says she liked the idol element, I believe her. Over her tenure in Holo she actually did evolve into one of the best singers in Holo so it's evident she's been putting in the effort behind the scenes.
I'd sooner speculate it being a combination of her health issues and issues with management than the job content.

No. 476170

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>>476094
I thought it was cute how she and Fauna had matching emo outfits.
>>476117
Lmao yes if even the coomers took notice you know the change was extreme, though loads of them in the comments are saying they like it and she probably makes bank off of them by pandering like this. Her latest outfit was coomery again too.

No. 476184

>>476170
Wasn't it adorable? The duo orisong they released for the outfits was really charming too. Not really a bop but a fun callback to being an angsty teen in the 2010s.

No. 476194

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>>475679
I never really watched Mumei that much but I liked some of her songs and liked her clips. It's sad to see her go. She didn't have a big coomer design either. Council it's cursed.

No. 476306

>>473709
god, i know he's nowhere near as bad as jurard but i can't help feel this way about niji en's ren zotto even after all these years. he was such a huge leech in the youtube animation meme community back then and his only climb to fame was his poor girlfriend that he doesn't even follow on his pl anymore. he's always been super low effort and just follows whatever she does, it pisses me off. no personality or aspirations of his own. the constant collab baiting was 100% a learned trait from then and i'm glad he leaves the holo girls alone nowadays. i just can't get rid of the sour taste it left in my mouth.

No. 476385

>>474425
And for me, Nonna. Thank you for my new dream

No. 476404

>>476385
Ryona nonnies together strong.

No. 476416


No. 476467

man its so weird to see so many pro-corpo people on the internet that aren't boomers or disney adults.
A talent can literally say problems with management caused them to leave on stream and people will still find a way to defend the company from any kind of critique like the company has THEM on payroll or something (obviously Mumei's health is mainly the reason she's leaving, but she wouldn't have stated issues with management if it didn't impact her decision)

No. 476487

>>476467
It's a general fandom thing nowadays, but it's more annoying in Vtuber fandoms because people think the corpo and streamer are the same thing, so if you hate the way a corpo manages your favorite Vtuber then other fans assume you're an anti. And if you're an anti of Hololive, then you're a fan of Niji or vice versa. It's extremely retarded and I have no idea why this line of thought became common either. Literally reaching

No. 476493

>>476467
I think because there's so much to lose the experience associated with your oshi when a corpo vtuber graduates (their brand as well as all of the relationships they've built up, the events they can participate in, etc.) people really don't want to believe there's an issue with the corpo.
If your oshi is the one leaving though and herself states issues with management, though, and you choose the corpo over her, you're retarded.

No. 476504

>>476487
prob gonna be banned for racism but whatever. Bunch of low IQ/mentally ill SEA infest the community, so everything is seen in black/white terms instead of greys.(racebait)

No. 476524

>>474473
There's a rule against PL shit?

No. 476684

>>476524
No, it's just a newfag.
I have a feeling some of the responses regarding Shiori are tourists.

No. 476754

>>476467
100% agreed, Mumei literally said she was graduating (in part) due to disagreements with management and apparently every hololive fan has just decided that she didn't really mean it and that was something the company made her include as a noble act of self sacrifice to protect her or some insane shit like that. I like many things about hololive but I'm not simping for Japanese middle managers, this part of the fanbase is so fucking dumb.

No. 476788

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>>476467
It's probably because they feel guilty that they're supporting the company and want an easy way out so they don't have to feel bad about it. People especially these days have a hard time accepting they like something flawed, so they always have to cope hard and tell themselves nothing they like could ever have any problems.

No. 476794

>>476504
Funny you say this when the most rabid corpo dicksuckeds are based in the west or the Japanese incels ive worked with vtubers and one Japanese corpo wanted me to do free shit because I was a "fan" and so did the fans of the vtuber I still took my 300$ though fuck you nipponese black company slave

No. 476814

>>476754
Holo members are allowed to go on hiatus for ages for whatever reason they please, and this is well known information. If she's leaving, the deciding factor was obviously management and not the health issues. Fans are seriously on one.

No. 476842

>>476788
It's definitely a coping mechanism. When the Selen bullshit happened, there were a ton of comments and memes putting COVER on a pedestal: the responsible supportive YAGOO vs the evil black company Nijisanji yachtman. Having multiple graduating holomems directly citing management as one of their issues pokes holes in that narrative.
>>476794
You know, hololive uses this one guy for 3D videos, and I never liked them because I find the animations have this uncannily awkward movement to them, but I figured he got work because he was a fan and was willing to get paid under market rates kek

No. 476869

>>476842
If you mean Kanauru (which I'm sure you do based on your description) I think most of the stuff he's done for hololive has been individual talent projects in which case I'm pretty sure it's up to the individual talent in question to negotiate the commission so I hope the talents aren't low balling fans. For official Cover projects yea I've heard the rates are pretty low, I think even for the artists they commission to design the vtuber models I think the pay is pretty low but plenty of even big name artists are still willing to do it because being a holo "mama" is good publicity and then you can sell self produced merch of your holo vtuber design and make a bunch of extra money out of it anyway.

No. 476881

>>476814
what might it be? the 3d activity increase? i noticed them doing a lot of videos with that. i thought it was talents having problems with cover trying to move back into the china market again because of how other talents got some chinese-inspired costumes, but they've already been playing chinese developed and published games a while before the bilibili streams.

No. 476889

>>476881
I'm pretty sure it's actually just normal grievances with management. It's a membership stream so it's a bit of a faux pas to talk about it I guess but a day or two after Mumei's announcement Kiara did a bunch of venting on stream about her own issues with management, ideas being refused, her trying to get something happening with Holotori only to constantly be ignored so that management can focus on pushing their own failed units like the Holowitches thing that got like no traction, etc. I think around the time at least Fauna would have made her decision to graduate both her and Mumei had some complaints about "creative differences" with management regarding some stuff they wanted to do for Breaking Dimensions (and I think both of them ended up not travelling to NYC for the concert despite both of them living in the US and everyone else in EN being there including the girls who live in Europe and Japan). AFAIK there's no big drastic change in hololive that's leaving some of the girls behind, it's just regular old conflicts between talents and various people in management.

No. 476954

Who is everyone's favorite female vtubers with minimal coomer vibes? I started watching Selen/Dokibird because of anons here and it's so nice to listen to someone who doesn't seem like they're pandering to male viewers at all.

No. 477006

>>476954
Laimu and FroggyLoch for their chatting streams

No. 477033

>>476881
I think the reasons depend on the talent. Some of them have genuinely just been doing this a long time and might be looking for a change of pace striking out as an indie with an established huge fanbase. In Fauna's case, it was known for a long time that a)her manager sucks ass and b)she dislikes the long trips overseas that have become basically mandatory with the job exiting the pandemic. So exit seemes natural for her. And so on.
I'm not saying this to defend Cover because I'm neutral on them at best and most times critical. But I think an inherent issue of corporate vtubing is that once a chuuba gets big enough and establishes her paypigs, it's almost always going to be a better deal being indie. A lot of people don't seem to consider that factor because they weigh things like friends within the company and such too heavily, but when you think of it like any other job, employees aren't going to stay with the lesser deal just because of their work friends or whatever.

No. 477055

>>476954
Seconding, I really love the concept of VTubers but I hate how they all pitch their voice. Even the ones with good designs and personalities do the weird voice thing, for some reason.

No. 477068

>>476954
I wish I could enjoy dokibird but to me the way she talks has gotten stupider over the years. Not in a "stupid = I dislike the way it sounds" way, in a "stupid = actually less intelligent" way. A shame because her actual voice has gotten more tolerable over time.

No. 477075

>>477068
Oh shes taken the route of "I'm just so retarded guiz!", shame

No. 477094

>>477075
I don't know if it's that but everything she says sounds super slurred and overexaggerated nowadays like she doesn't know how to talk normally anymore.

No. 477170

>>476954
corpo: Gigi, Korone, Suisei, Fubuki

indie: Clauvio, Rin Penrose, Grimmi,

No. 477206

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>>476112
haachama had a phase where i thought she was going full coomer when she started doing r18 art reviews and had increasingly boobier outfits, but in retrospect i think it was just more of her shock value gimmicks than a real attempt to male pander. still fucking awful though.
>>476889
honestly this is probably the boring but most likely scenario, that its the culmination of years of bullshit than one decisive event.
also lol about the holowitches thing. put it on the pile along with blue journey, error and alternative. man who in cover is greenlighting these weird projects, they all smell like something a focus group would come up with.

No. 477245

>>477206
I feel bad for Haachama and Shion, imagine the brain damage being in this job since high school would do to you.

No. 477383

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>>476954
mota, she's a fujo, chill, and best of all she doesn't do the retarded vtuber girl voice.

No. 477389

Every time I see Reimu Endou I feel so bad for how unrelentingly ugly her model looks across all outfits. There's no costume that can fix how emaciated and stretched out her body is, not to mention the bizarre puffy eyed face.
I don't know if it's their mamas that are the issue or the designs not being suited to Live2D or what but Aia Amare has the same issue too. They both look like they have models created by amateurs despite being under a corpo and it's less than anybody deserves when they sign up to give away a portion of their profits under a corpo label.

No. 477407

>>476954
My recommendation is always Amiya Aranha! After 3 years she still streams almost daily and consistently puts out covers. A big plus is that she has unique interests that keep me coming back for more, whether it's playing retro games or going full out with new creative mediums. I'm wishing for her continued success now and forever.

No. 477410

>>477407
Embedded her most recent cover above because I think her vocal talent is one of her greatest assets, but this stream is also another great showcase of what she has to offer. Her showcasing a niche old Snoopy game that she fell in love with to the point where she creates her own Peanuts style model to use while streaming it is standard Ami. So much passion, individuality, and zest for creation.

No. 477534

>>477245
I also think starting so young isn't that great for Haachama as a streamer in the long run. The older girls like Marine or Luna have life experience and are more well-rounded as a result. There are the other younger girls too like Ayame and Shion, but they make up for it with charisma and chemistry with a lot of the other holomems. Honestly, I feel like Haachama really isn't that interesting outside of her wacky shenanigans and that's reflected in her viewership numbers and lack of a dedicated fanbase these days.

No. 477600

>been a while since I listened to Ao-kun's covers
>shuffle through a couple of my favourites
>the way she sounds in fake face dance music genuinely makes my chest feel tight
Agh… I love you Ao-kun…

No. 477660

File: 1743559449775.png (163.85 KB, 407x485, 1737413289196237.png)

I just saw the stars' roomates and I not the same.

No. 477661

>>477660
Who did you see?

No. 477662

>>477661
>>477661
octavio's balding head.

No. 477663

File: 1743559889232.png (4.64 KB, 196x196, 1582068664586.png)

>>477662
ugh, it's kind of annoying how fucking ugly the enstars are. Even the ugliest JPStar at least has a decent hairline.

No. 477679

File: 1743563010280.png (Spoiler Image,246.13 KB, 275x1237, Ruze is okay I guess.png)

>>477663
I will say this, David Bowie here is okay, but I still can't stand his Vtuber Voice he uses.

No. 477687

>>477660
Maybe this is schizo behavior but I watch streams to take a break from real life and I hate being reminded that my cute anime boy streamers are still just moids. Even if they're attractive, finding their roommate accounts ruins the immersion… I always avoid it as much as possible

No. 477697

>>477687
I kinda agree because once I associate a guy with a real moid it kills it for me. It's not even like I've ever given any of them money I just prefer to think of them as some new format of character and not actual people.
I care a little more about the wellbeing of the people behind the girls I guess but when it comes to the guys they should be as fictional as possible.

No. 477698

>>477660
I immediately knew this had to be about Octavio lol.
Flayon, Ruze, and Jurard are the only ones who even approach being conventionally attractive and even then it really depends on your taste.

No. 477701

>>477687
I kinda get it as well, but I can live with myself and differentiate a character being played and a person behind it(Unless they are fucking ugly…then fuck off), if I was mega shizo I could not love anything that has a voice actor behind it.

No. 477757

I'm really liking this guy… this might be the first April's fools stream I actually enjoyed because he didn't just stick to one bit the entire time. He's a natural at entertaining, I missed this type of genuine streamers in Nijisanji EN. only thing is I don't get how the girl voice part is funny, I hate Luca for bringing that into Nijisanji

No. 477973

>>477698
Flayon? I thought nyfco was down. Tell me where you're getting your info nonnie.

No. 477980

I'm going to give Gigi a chance since I saw her recommended here many times. Gigi nonnas, what are your favorite streams from her?

No. 477984

>>476954
Most ex niji girls. That was what made them great. Michi and Matara went to VShojo so they have some of the boobiest designs out there, but they're still the same personality wise. I can personally relate to Michi talking about being uncomfortable around men.
Mint went for a maid outfit and is still going karaoke, which I personally liked. Doki is, well, Doki. Mint and Doki don't do the big boob model, so if design matters, they'll be great.

No. 477991

>>477980
mori's TTRPG session. GG's birthday party stream, and the workplace harassment stream.

No. 478019

>>477980
Anything with Fauna or Cecilia, her green woman chemistry is fantastic.

No. 478020

Advent really has the best full gen content kek, I loved Team Tomodachi as well.

No. 478030

>>478020
I was surprised to see Fist of the North Star jokes in 2025 but still pretty funny

No. 478215

I cannot enjoy anything Bijou is involved in, her dumb uwu voice and gormless face just makes me want to instantly close the tab. It doesn't help that her fans are so obnoxious: if there are any clips of any JP holomems doing anything, inevitably there'd be one them in the comments shitting on the holomem out of nowhere. Miko one-shots a Warden with a mace in Minecraft? Pfft, Biboo did it with her bare hands. Watame really good with Dual Blades in Monster Hunter? Snort, Biboo is better with just one. I'm assuming they're literal children and everything has to be a competition for them, but sheesh.

No. 478302

>>477679
its a shame because the few moments he's not using the standard Ruze voice (like impressions or w/e), he's so fucking hot. He'd probably be my oshi if it weren't for the voice. It's giving Kiara with how they nerf themselves for no reason.

No. 478303

>>477661
Octavio quite literally looks like the ugly bastard meme

No. 478426

>>478303
i would honestly take an ugly moid that is a decent person over a handsome dude that has a shitty attitude. they are supposed to be anime men, i'm not going to see their ugly faces unless i intentionally try to look them up

No. 478516

>>478426
me when my standards for moids are low

No. 478524

>>478302
Kiara has straightforwardly said that at this point she keeps doing this voice as a filter which is fair.

No. 478527

>>478426
You will never truly know if hes a decent person. Being a moid the odds are like 1 in 10,000

No. 478547

>>478426
I'm happy to tell you those aren't the only two options in existence.

No. 478574

>>478547
>>478516
good thing i'm not trying to fuck them, it's entertainment that i sometimes tune into

No. 478584

>>477973
seconded, im really curious to see for myself now

No. 478585

>>478524
filtering for who though, creepy fans? i don't think the chicken voice will stop that, so long as you're a woman on the internet.
tangentially, risu from ID complained a few weeks back on youtube and twitter that she doesn't get that many opportunities compared to other members, but i can't help but think it's because she commits to the goofy squirrel voice on top of her dopey squirrel design. she has a great singing voice, and everyone's impressed with it during holofes, but then she goes back to talking about nuts or whatever afterwards on her streams and i dunno. i feel like part of why moona and kobo in comparison get more attention are due to their universally more appealing designs and personas, risu in comparison has a huge debuff in both those aspects.

No. 478593

File: 1743734552743.png (Spoiler Image,1.73 MB, 1000x2000, 1743533714950158.png)

>>477973
>>478584
I came across it on the /co/ board when the April fools thing was going around, since /vt/ rules weren't enforced, some schizos went wild, I saved as much as I could, here is the full image from the cropped one I posted before.

Viewer Discretion Advised.

No. 478599

>>478593
Oh I expected Octavio to look way worse with the reactions. Hakka is rough though, and based on what I can see GB is even worse Axel is kinda cute

No. 478603

>>478593
holy fuck you could land a plane on octavio's fivehead but its still nowhere near as bad as i thought it was gonna be. at least he's got ambition and talent if not a hairline kek

No. 478606

>>478585
Making it more likely that people will stay for her personality if they're willing to endure an admittedly terrible voice lol.

No. 478608

>>478593
hakka is devastating I'm going to puke.

No. 478611

Octavio is a doctor and already married so I think for him of all Stars members it should matter the least what he looks like irl. Not that I really understand the mentality behind all this to begin with.

No. 478612

>>478611
How does being a doctor make him any less ugly?

No. 478613

>>478612
nta but i'm guessing that he is successful in other ways than looks

No. 478614

>>478613
And why does that matter. It still doesnt change your apperance.

No. 478616

>>478614
obviously, but at least he isn't a useless bag of shit?

No. 478619

>>478616
His looks cancels out his jobs nonnie. He needs to do 75 days hard plus a trip to turkey.

No. 478622

>>478619
who else in holostars en do you feel like this about?

No. 478628


No. 478631

>>478593
You guys really freaked out over Octavio when Hakka looks like that. Bettel I had seen before and I'll never understand how some people think he looks hot

No. 478638

>>478593
Flayon
>hot face
>hot body
>nice voice
>cute model
>dresses well
>well groomed
He just had to be a sex pest to cancel out everything. I'm gonna keep seethewatching
Wish nyfco or elysium baby were still up so I could find how FSP look cause I got interested after that one german stream

No. 478645

>>478612
She means that his sexual attractiveness is irrelevant because he's already taken and his priority isn't attracting women in real life. It still sucks for his wife, though

No. 478673

>>478638
Is Flayon a sex pest? I haven't followed him super closely, but he seems to be legitimately friends with a lot of female vtubers, so I assumed he was chill.

No. 478685

>>478673
He's just horny all the time even in collabs (probably not in the ones with female vtubers)

No. 478721

>>478622
honestly just him and hakka, everyone else is pretty average/ not fat

No. 478892

>>478215
I noticed this too, I don't even particularly dislike her (vidrel was cute) but her fans are always jumping into other discussions and saying she's better for some reason and it's pretty obnoxious. Noticed them comparing her and Gura the most and it feels like it's just mostly shitposting but still obnoxious.

No. 478909

>>478215
I really enjoyed her content after the debut, but when she started the 'rizzler/nerizzler' and 'biboo tax' memes, i tabbed out. I recall she is still forcing them through this day. Knowing that she is not even a zoomer, despite trying really hard to seem like one really ticks me off. I love watching cute girls with petite models enjoying themselves and having fun (eg Anya is a great example), but Biboo is trying way too hard to seem young in an uncomfortable way. I wouldn't mind if she actually tried playing a character like Luna does, but she goes as far as tries making it look like her IRL self is as loli as her model is.

No. 478926

i want to watch more subaru seeing her minecraft streams. what are your favorite clips?

No. 478974

>>478926
I loved her path to defeating Sans years ago, it's what originally got me into her.
I get the impression she's another that's sort of changed these days, though. Her lack of familiarity with otaku culture elements was her charm point for me but it was inevitable that that would shift after so many years in a top vtubing company.

No. 479022

>>478593
I have no idea what I'm looking at with GB's picture

No. 479212

Mori's Birthday concert was so fucking amazing. I'm happy they got to sing all of her songs together. My favourite is probably Korone singing Nezumi Scheme together.

No. 480146

>>478892
no one's safe from the obnoxious 'Biboo is better!' crowd. saw one in the wild where AZKi was playing that holo8 game, she needed to have biboo tax explained to her cause she's never heard of it and of course there was a Pebble who had to butt in with a "biboo tax way better than maitake dance!". just imagine out of the blue taking a swipe at Raden of all people.

No. 480148

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>>480146
It makes me wonder how does Gura or older fans feel about new Holofans trying to call Biboo the DMC queen, when Gura was known for loving DMC and streaming every game (down to getting cameos from the vas) from the very start. I am convinced that Biboo fans are the new generation of Gura fans.
>biboo tax is better than maitake dance
Ah yes, some recycled redditor joke is better than Radens cutesy music video…

No. 480341

>>478611
miss me with that, "what matters is on the inside", cope. moids never do that with women. he's uggo thats a fact

No. 480371

I know I'm literally 5 years late to the hype but is it worth getting into vtubers? Ideally female ones.

No. 480374

>>480371
samefag but if the answer is yes then I'd like to know some good JP female ones

No. 480413

>>480371
Idk, what are you looking for out of the experience?
My favorites are Korone and Sasaki Saku, since I like to see variety gaming that doesn't just follow the latest fad and competent gaming. Korone is goofy and streams a lot of retro games, she performs well on the idol side of things too if you're into that. Sasaki Saku is a Nintendo fangirl who plays their games from way back to current day, I don't know how to describe her personality succinctly. She's like a weird ungrateful animal that still expects you to feed it.
Vidrel is my favorite Korone longclip. Sasaki isn't clipped that much by EN clippers.

No. 480604

File: 1744208090466.jpg (200.12 KB, 900x900, channels4_profile.jpg)

>>480371
watching vtubers is the same as watching any other video content creator. As a veteran vtuber fan, I would say its worth it! But sadly, because of vtubing becoming mainstream (and avg vtuber fan being a man) its a lot harder to find a good vtuber to watch. If you were to watch an indie vtuber, i would recommend searching for people who have lower viewership and don't overshare their life on twitter (the first red flag ((you might know yourself since you are on lc)) are vtubers who spam on twitter all the time, there is even a name for them called vtweeters). Just find someone who is playing your favorite game or does hobby/art/crafts and start from there

I would love to recommend my favorite indies who do not pander to men at all and are being themselves, but i worry that vt moids might be lurking this thread.

I can recommend some corporation ones, though
HoloEN:

>Ninomae Inanis for (especially!) Art streams. I love her first year art streams where she practices and improves with you. She is actually an established artist now, drawing illustrations for light novels (one of them got an anime adaptation recently). You might have seen her works for arknights and azur lane, too. I like her chatting streams and game streams, like Bayonetta for example. She is very lovely but she does not stream a lot because she has 2 jobs.

>(graduated, now is Nimi Nightmare) Fauna. She is a smart woman who has a lot to talk about, i enjoy watching her play Sims 2.
>Ouro Kronii. Professional voice actress, you might have heard one of the many of her voices in indie Yuri/Shoujo Ai VNs. She is an amazing girl and honestly I think she could be a farmer. Amazing jokes, witty as hell, the most lovely doomer there is. She does not like her own models design for clear reasons, but in hololive they choose talents for already finished designs. I highly recommend giving her a try, her dynamic with the girls is amazing (eg Gura collabs are always great, and i dont even watch Gura).
>FWMC dual-streamer twins. If you are into idols and otaku culture of early 2000s-mid2010s, you will love them. I cherish them a lot and they are an extremely heartwarming duo. They are not for everyone, but I was rooting for them to get into holoEN after the other corpo booted them out. Their original song called BAU DOL explains them perfectly well imo.
>Kiara. Now she is not for everyone, in my opinion… she holds her fanbase tightly and is one of the most tryhard-hardworking talents there is, but i am not a fan of vtubers who put parasocial aspect to the max. If any nonna can correct me, lmk. I havent watched her in 2 years
>Baelz. A sweet fujofan who is, in my opinion, the most talented holoEN when it comes to live performances. You should check out her concert performances, her voice and the way she dances is awesome! One of the people who 100% deserved to get in.

Now, I will tell you to avoid Phase Connect (everyone other than Tenma, at least) because this corporations CEO pays dramatubers and 4chan jannies for the PR (and treats their talents like mud bts…), and thr only thing the corporation is known for is that most of the girls are pandering to 4chan and kf while bringing women down.

No. 480615

>>480604
Kronii is a gendie, I highly doubt she's a farmer.

No. 480617

I wish nyfco was still up so I could ask his day one fans intrusive questions about my new oshi and get answers without being questioned about my motives.

No. 480689

>>480371
vtuber hype died after lockdowns, but they're nice bgm if you work from home etc.

No. 480712

>>480617
Who are you curious about?

No. 480718

>>480604
Bae puts a lot of effort in and I think she's a decent dancer but unfortunately she lacks the kind of spark that makes one actually stand out as a performer. There's nothing exciting about her voice and her dancing is practiced but not impressive. It honestly makes me sort of sad when she tries so hard, same with Kiara. I know they're probably happy chasing their dreams and that's enough but it's hard to watch when there's an obvious and unfair reason they'll never stand out above, like, Gura or Calli who both have more memorable styles, Hajime whose affinity for dance immediately captivates even the most uninitiated, and so on.

No. 480733

File: 1744226533650.png (14.61 KB, 753x236, senzawa.png)

>>480148
>I am convinced that Biboo fans are the new generation of Gura fans.
Oh yeah a lot of them are for sure. I think a lot of Gura's old fans went to Biboo the second Gura became more inactive to fill that void, since they seem to basically mostly only care if the character is a cutesy loli and don't really have much of an attachment to Gura herself.

Speaking of Gura though, she just posted on her old account (picrel) so that's causing a stir right now. Might just be her trolling like she's done before but I also wouldn't be surprised at all if she's actually graduating soon.

No. 480739

>>480712
Sonny. Very late to get into him I know. I know what he looks like but I forgot or didn't keep up with a bunch of things. His age, if he lives in Australia or Japan now, if he works out, if he still talks to his family after they kicked him out at 18. Also nyfco had people answering if vps have romantic scripts while everyone acts like you admit to murder if you accept that you wanna be a little parasocial. I wanna know which ones of his have romantice tones. I got the pampering and scolding ones, I wanna know if the other permanent ones or the birthday ones have romantice tones. I think there are no more Nijisanji viewers itt though so I'm not really expecting any answers now sigh. I have to put in work to get parasocial nowadays

No. 480747

>>480739
Ah, yeah, you're going to have a hard time getting information on Niji males in particular in this thread. Best of luck, though, I do feel for the people who lost a space to ask questions when NYFCO went down.
Niji's men have always had a more rabid fanbase than Holo's so it's surprising to me that the Stars got more than one dedicated space post-NYFCO while NijiEN's males got like…Nothing.
>>480733
I want her to leave already kek, I get why it exists but the backlog of talents who are obviously primed to go but are in stasis is so annoying. It'll be better for the bandaid to be ripped off.

Speaking of which, aren't we mostly through the talents that seemed like likely graduates? Aside from the ones that have already been announced, I feel like only Gura and maybe Ayame remain.

No. 480765

>>480733
I recall people theorizing last time that she was graduating and assumed she just did it to remind her company of the influence she still has in her pl. Like taking a new offer to your employer and asking if they can match it.
If she does graduate, she'll likely have a bigger crowd than Doki, asking for collabs and interviews. Not just in the Vtuber sphere either.
Doesn't she post on her old twitter randomly these days?

No. 480771

>>480604
Excuse you?
Pippa's collabs with girls are fun. There's one where she's talking to Filian AI (linked).

No. 480773

File: 1744231346741.jpg (130.88 KB, 850x1135, gura.jpg)

>>480747
Yeah, it'll kinda suck to lose her model since it's one of the more recognizable designs in hololive but being left in this limbo of wondering when she's leaving and hiatuses also sucks so I'd prefer if she graduates soon too if she's leaving. I can't think of any other girl that would graduate either outside of the ones we already know.
>>480765
She wasn't really using it (her last tweet is from 2022) but she did change the description on her profile a while ago and apparently followed some people, which also got people suspicious that she might be graduating soon.

No. 480781

>>480765
>If she does graduate, she'll likely have a bigger crowd than Doki, asking for collabs and interviews
I wonder about that. It happened for Doki because doing it made you look like a good person who was on the right side of things.
Maybe if Gura suddenly bowed out of Holo, but the way she's trickled out, I don't think the hubbub will be so big.

No. 480787

>>480771
Keep living in blissful ignorance. I feel pity for you. You must be new.

No. 480788

File: 1744234312029.jpg (Spoiler Image,356.56 KB, 640x6056, 1743532616726531.jpg)

I fell down to my knees…

No. 480790

File: 1744234472329.jpg (Spoiler Image,285.14 KB, 615x1280, 1743535551307770.jpg)

Also here's the Niji(some at least), if you want to have a laugh or whatnot.

No. 480793

>>480790
Is that niji vtuber's real faces? How did you found that? Also finana looks like akidearest kek. Where's Enna?

No. 480794

>>480792
I was using 4chan during the April fools event, and some people were sperg posting schizo stuff, I saved a few more pictures of different Vtubers

No. 480798

>>480790
Kekkkkk it really is true vtubing is the career path of uggos (the women are average but holy fuck the moids)

No. 480800

>>480790
Dear god look at the hefty tub of lard on the bottom

No. 480804

>>480790
Sorry for doubleposting but why do some of these use 2014 tumblr snapchat era filter emojis?

No. 480806

>>480804
Because they are old pictures, long ago or a bit before they turned into Vtubers, some date back to early Youtube funny enough.

No. 480808

File: 1744236667823.jpg (Spoiler Image,2.76 MB, 3910x1293, 1743532645358860.jpg)

These are some of the Phase girls, I'm not sure or believe that moids will drool over ex camgirls/rejected models/ex adult stars/right wing pander.
Not for the faint of heart to be Vtubing

No. 480810

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>>480798
You're correct but it should also be noted this particular graphic goes out of its way to use the worst possible photos for every liver kek. Aia is actually very conventionally pretty after getting her jaw surgery ages ago and Nina is also a stacy.

No. 480812

>>480808
Moids used to say that camwhore vtubers are different from real camwhores because they have "personality" and "talent" but it literally is the exact same thing in different font

No. 480815

>>480810
I like her eyes

No. 480816


No. 480820

>>480808
Still wild rena was in big boss and thought it would be a good idea to become a vtuber with such bad ospec this company is known for hiring awful scum so I'm not surprised they also hired camwhores shame for tenma I actually quite liked her before she gave in to moid coomer shit

No. 480849

>>480788
>cool voice
>funny personality
>great singing
>cute face
She just can't stop getting better and better. I love her so much.

No. 480902

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No. 480968

>>480718
>Hajime whose affinity for dance immediately captivates even the most uninitiated
you know, i'm glad someone else thought this too. i like Bae as a person, but i felt like her dance skills were overhyped by EN fans after she didn't wow me as much as Bancho did. it also low-key pissed me off how EN fans would also backhand Bancho by commenting things like, "ooh, Bancho dances? maybe Bae can teach her a thing or two!" as if she was some amateur and wasn't an accomplished dancer herself.
i really thought Bae was going to be the breakout talent in council, and was subbed to her for the longest time, but her weird Baewatch project was a wet fizzle, none of her original songs really stand out and i even stopped watching her regularly when she and Fauna spent too much time getting scared in a menu screen of that mortuary game instead of, you know, actually playing the game. you're right, she lacks that certain something, but i still actually admire her hustle and at least it seems like she's doing ok in hololive.

No. 481050

>>480968
This is a recurring issue with vtubing fans where they're so desperate to elevate their oshi's passions that they raise their mediocrity to a falso point of equitable comparison to those who are objectively much more masterful in their fields. EN's singers are another case of this, Nerissa is good but not on a level of comparison eith Irys, and neither of them can compare to the sheer stage presence Liz has. But they're so desperate to cope and say they're just for different tastes– yes, singing is an art and to an extent it can be true that you might still like an objectively worse singer over a more skilled one, but don't lie to yourself about the skill deficit. It's a joke to compare Nerissa to Liz or Risu the way fans are so prone to do.

No. 481093

>>480808
Clara’s funny because she’ll post a mild libfem take on her personal account and the phase moids will crash out over it and post chicken scratch drawings of her getting abused. Moid pandering is never worth it.

No. 481108

>>480788
where did these pics come from?

No. 481264

File: 1744329027795.png (Spoiler Image,176.93 KB, 594x486, 5.png)

>>481093
It's funny seeing the moid crashout on 4chan, but tbh, she and most of phase connect cultivate these manchild audiences for themselves. Her twitter picture is egregious.

No. 481318

watching the new nijiboys and i'm genuinely enjoying them (this is my first time watching nijisanji). is it even safe to invest in them? I'm not anti nijsanji or anything, but the drama the past year or so has been pretty hard to ignore in the vtubing community..

No. 481319

>>480808
I sound like a simp here but jesus, Tenma is gorgeous and classy looking. Almost makes me want to watch her.

No. 481320

>>480733
I thank god everyday i'm not a hardcore Gura fan. This never ending push and pull thats been going on for 2 years must be so exhausting.

No. 481340

>>481264
>all of this pandering just to be dropped for milquetoast opinions

No. 481352

>>480788
I now understand what does Senchou sees in her…

No. 481357

>>481318
I think so. Niji picked themselves up again through the past year. The ones that graduated shortly after debuting didn't have any passion or vision for what they wanted to do in Niji and I say that as a Kunai viewer, but these guys are different, they have vtubing skills and passion. They must have applied after the shit went down so I believe they won't jump ship. They seem to know what they're doing in Niji and they're already putting in work (like covers, original songs, scheduling collabs). They feel more like the Niji boom waves that actually get along that kept it up till now, than the randomly assembled 3-man teams.

No. 481368

>>480413
>Sasaki isn't clipped that much by EN clippers.
Didn't some NijiJP livers ask not to be clipped? Not sure if this was Sasaki specifically, but I recall Ars Almal asked not to be clipped because she got sick of overseas fans spamming her chat with "big face". Consequently I think NijiJP never really courted the overseas fans in the way holoJP did, so even the big NijiJP talents like Tsukino Mito are pretty much unknown. I can find recent translated NijiJP clips if I look for them but they only have a few thousand views compared to the hundreds of thousands translated holoJP clips get.
>>480689
I notice the soft-spoken talents like Watame and AZKi easily get over 10,000 ccv even for superchat streams. I guess they're just nice to listen to in the background than having a HAACHAMACHAMA screaming in your ears.

No. 481458

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>>481357
alright i'll take the chance. im vibing with Kaelix so much rn.

No. 481596

>>481368
Maybe? Honestly would be fair since overseas fans can be genuinely annoying trying to participate and have presence in chat without knowing what's going on. Overall I think the girls in NijiJP just don't get clipped that much, though.

No. 481647

>>480808 why does Clara look so much like Venus angelic to me lol

No. 481655

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https://x.com/nijisanji_app/status/1910621342535475689
New male duo for JP announced.
A while back they were having auditions for males with backgrounds in skilled professions outside of content creation (like doctors, hairdressers, etc.), this is likely the result.

No. 481754

>>481655
I know Niji likes their ojisans but I hope they don't infiltrate EN again like Fulgur did. What's the point of seeking out professionals specifically anyway? I understand how someone of that profession would become a vtuber but is it really something specific to look for? What does it add to their streams that they know how to cut hair or humans, I'm really curious now

No. 481843

>>481754
How did Fulgur "infiltrate" EN lol

No. 481847

>>481843
Kek I meant he got a handsome model then turned it into an old man

No. 481963

>>481655
the psychiatrist one he has a nice voice

No. 482008

>>481655
All vtubers should be over the age of 30 I hate zoomer vtubers who only play the fad of the month even in JP all churning out the same exact content with marginal spins of the personality commenting on them. I don't watch EN slop or males anymore so I don't know about the rest of what you're seething about.
Also pretty sure they hired "professionals" just for the initial marketing zing and in hopes of doing something fresh. It's not the selling point to me, but I kinda get it, like I do respect Sukoya Kana a lot more for being an actual nurse whose intelligence reflects over in her content.

No. 482023

>>481754
i guess the sense of professionalism. one of them is a psychiatrist who'll differ from hex who was only interested in psychology and not a professional. he might be able to establish boundaries hex didn't. apparently wants to stream TTRPG, books, and is ramen/noodle nerd and wants to do noodle streams. not sure what the businessman's streams will be like, he was influenced by bands and picked up drums, so zatsudan and drum streams? likes FPS and persona.

No. 482029

>>482023
Salesman was uninteresting to me, I think the psych is a good addition even if I won't necessarily watch them. Streamers who are actual otaku about their interests and have niche interests are always better, and the TRPG interest is pretty novel for a JP chuuba.

No. 482036

>>482029
holojp and nijijp have TRPG streams if you're interested. i dont have the concentration to focus on those types of streams since my japanese is rusty, but a friend did say there were some fun moments.

No. 482055

>>482036
Wow, had no idea. I guess I really don't stray outside the bubble of my favorite talents… Thanks for the heads up, nonnie!

By the way, which NijiJP talents are easy on the ears for JSLs? Poking around outside of my unintelligible oshi, I've only found Hoshirube easy to understand, but his content isn't really my preference.

No. 482084

>>482008
lol I don't think age is the right criteria here. Bijou is over 30 and the biggest skibidi zoomer dipshit as they come. Raden is in her early 20s but is a certified curator so she actually has interesting things to say outside of otaku and gamer shit.
But I get you about the same exact content with marginal spins of a personality thing. I see my feed and its all holo and Niji and indies playing Monster Hunter or that car game or scary indie game and they just all blend together now. My oshi plays the same games too and honestly if she had debuted today instead of years ago I probably wouldn't be watching her.

No. 482102

>>482055
i looked into it and suo sango has an entire playlist called "TRPG is life" with 200+ videos kek i wasn't really expecting so many. a few of the GMs and other players have clear, understandable voices for those learning JP.

No. 482114

>>482084
Lol, you're very right, I actually feel bad for inadverdently dismissing our queen Raden. It really does feel like finding a needle in a haystack searching for vtubers with both effortful, unique content though in addition to entertaining personalities and tolerable voices.
I think we mostly do recommendations based on the talent personality here but I'd also love to see more based on what they create.

No. 482192

>>482084
I was starting to somewhat tolerate bijou, but finding out she's over 30 has been so fucking weird. Totally ruins any "oh she's just a retarded young person" she had going for her (in my mind).
>>482114
What they create would be interesting. I saw Shiori do some interesting streams, like her thrift donation one or the sin confessions, but her thumbnails and stream titles can be so weird/coomery it turns me off from checking her out. I don't want to be assaulted by pandering.

No. 482217

>>482036
>holojp and nijijp have TRPG streams
NTA but would you mind dropping a few recommendations? I've been aware of the TRPG scene in Japan for a while now because of twitter but I've never seen any streamers talk about it. I'm interested now.

No. 482261

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>>482192
I don't even care that much about IRL ages, I mean, Korone has several years over Bijou but she has her own brand of silliness and it's endearing. On the other hand, Bijou's sense of humor seems like it was scraped from the front page of reddit or TikTok and that's just a cringe too far for me.

No. 482268

>>482261
Is that Korone's real face?

No. 482277

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>>482268
this is, yes.

No. 482280

>>482277
i thought she'd be taller

No. 482287

>>482084
>Bijou is over 30
Damn didn't know that

No. 482306

>>482217
vidrel had good chemistry. and towa's acting in this other one cracked me up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vy2kIKmDJU

you can comb through sukoya kana as well as Suo Sango's trpg playlists for campaigns and non-niji youtubers you might enjoy; in the corpo scene, there were holostars-hololive and niji-holopro cross-collabs.

No. 482311

I swear the Swarm is such a legendary-tier fanbase

No. 482312

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>>482261
I love Korone, this was too good and perfectly matched her character.
>>482280
It's just that the guy is a giant, she's actually pretty tall for a woman if you look at her next to the other members IRL.

No. 482321

>>482192
Ah, I had the same issue trying to get into Shiori early on. Especially since back then it kept feeling like she was heavily courting a unicorn audience.
But contentwise, what made me not stick with her was that there felt like there was zero depth to the quirky interests she tried to spin into stream ideas. She didn't actually know much about literature outside of an narrow interest in the mystery novel that was, even within just that, still not well read. And the streams where she tried to show off scientific or strange interests only conveyed shallow information and often ended up with her herself not being sure of the things she was presenting. It all felt overly intentional in cultivating a weird nerdy girl aesthetic without actually inhabiting the persona.
Compared to, for example, Nene and her uncontainable passion for raising beetles or Raden and her breadth of arts and culture knowledge, something is really lacking. The only thing Shiori really had going for her was that she'd sometimes choose games off the beaten path that leaned more into horror/psychological elements, but even then, Fauna often dipped into the same while being more engaging.

No. 482327


No. 482335

>>482306
>>482327
Much appreciated. Thank you, nonas.

No. 482463

>>482261
Bijou's humor kinda comes off as pandering to lolicon enjoyers, while Korone just feels genuine. i'd feel comfortable watching Korone with my family.

No. 482472

>>482463
Korone also isn't a loli like Bijou so that probably helps not attract as many lolicons to her fanbase. So if she actually tried pandering to degens it'd have to be with something else but I'm glad she doesn't seem to do it either way.

No. 482484

denauth isn't really discussed here and i get they debuted at an unfortunate time. i don't really watch her anymore but it's still a shame about the timing because i was impressed at klara's debut how many languages she spoke and how varied her skills were, having drawn and voice acted the intro to her debut herself. if she got into VCR gta or something maybe it would boost her with the JP audience since she's fluent

No. 482529

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I've been casually watching Korone for a couple months, but her recent 6th anni live made me fall completely in love to the point that I want to have an oshi again for the first time in a year. I know she has a lot of fans here, what are her best streams that you'd recommend to newcomers? I'd especially love to see her creativity at full power!

No. 482534

>>482529
she has so many great streams its hard to choose. i love the cuphead streams she did with Okayu years ago.
I also really loved her warioware GBA, and Donkey Konga streams

No. 482594

this cover came out two years ago but i still come back to it all the time, his voice sounds so good here. nonnies, when it comes to your oshis, what would be your favourite cover(s)?

No. 482605

>>482594
risu's cover of stellar stellar. i wish she could do asn offical duet with suisei.

No. 482642

>>482534
I still remember being floored by this when it came out because it showed me a whole new silky smooth dimension to Korone's voice that I'd never heard before. She usually doesn't do covers but I'm glad she chose to do this one and give us a treat.

No. 482782

>>482217
I'm not super into TRPG stuff, but these Katashiro streams done in 3D were fun: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0SNK9gKZgKs_mFt3g0TPMET_racwmuac
Sukoya does a lot of acting-related content in general from what I know.

No. 482784

>>482642
Loved this cover too, it's so good. Definitely one of my favorite covers of this song

No. 482793

>>482782
nta, this looks interesting thanks

No. 482800

Really glad this thread has been more active in a normal way lately, it was kinda sad when we were a wasteland for a while after the heavy spamming of Selen Shock.

No. 482806

>>482261
>Korone has several years over Bijou
How do we know this? I assumed she was roughly the same age as Okayu (late 20s), since apparently they were friends irl before they started vtubing.

No. 482822

>>482806
Isn't it a commonly-known fact at this point that Korone is in her 40s?

No. 482824

>>482806
I'll be honest, what I know about it is from osmosis reading here and in Youtube comments, but my general impression is that she's in her late 30s, early 40s. Kind of tracks with the song choices in her 3D live being oldies like Devilman and the Speed Racer theme, and the love of playing retro games on their original hardware. I mean really, only someone in that age range would know the ancient technique of blowing on a SNES cartridge to try and get it working again.

No. 482827

>>482824
I dunno, I'm late 20s and like retro stuff too. Didn't images of her as a retro game content creator leak a few years back? She looked to be in her 20s there, I don't think she's older than early or mid 30s at latest.

No. 482848

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I went from oshi'ing Vesper until his graduation and just wandering looking for a new oshi the past 2 years till I found Kaelix.

This guy just seems like a walking green flag and the viewer experience is like night/day.
Weird to have an oshi that actually communicates with his fans, makes an effort to connect with everyone, and actively works to improve himself and his content. It helps that he's such a sweetheart too.

It's only been a month though, so maybe things will change (hopefully not unless its for the better), but so far i'm glad he's here and that I found him.

No. 482850

>>482848
I'm really happy for you nonnie! I know what it's like to not be able to click with a new oshi after losing your original one… And having a true oshi currently active really brings so much light to one's life.

No. 482851

>>482806
Back when NYFCO was up, and last time I checked it (I think in 2021) she was 35 or 36 years old, so she'd be close to or actually 40 now. I've always found Okayu's age surprising because of this, but it's fairly well confirmed iirc.
I hope I'm as energetic and fit as Korone when I'm 40. You can really tell she takes care of her health in her performances, she's so bouncy and active. Iirc it's because she does kickboxing as a hobby?
Another PL fun fact is that she's apparently divorced.

No. 482852

>>482827
The only images I've seen float around of her online have been heavily filtered through stuff like Snapchat, as is the case with a lot of vtubers' leaked pix. So it's not a good gauge of her age.

No. 482854

>>482848
Can you spoonfeed me on what his vibe is like? I really liked Vesper and didn't have the heart to follow him to his past identity.

No. 482856

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>>482854
rambling ahead
For me, he gives off a calm somewhat mature vibe that doesn't come off as too soft, but he's also very playful/silly and imo has a lot of charisma that's hard to ignore especially in collabs. Everyone in NijiEn seems to have a great impression of him so far.
He's also very creative too (he animated and mixed his first debut cover) so doesn't seem like he'll run out of interesting stream ideas anytime soon.

I'd give his zatsus a try if you're interested in him given you were into Vesper. Dude knows how to yap. or watch the April fools stream he did this year that another anon posted itt if you have 40 mins to spare >>477757 think this shows the range of his creativity when it comes to streaming


atm he seems to also have boundaries with his chat, and what he wants his community to be like (he already explained chat rules in depth which is a great green flag).

If you have a twitter you should check out his clip tag and see for yourself, but I think if you don't mind that he's a bit on the younger range. (Zeal is the actual ojisan in this gen) you'd be pleasantly surprised by him i think.

>>482850
aww thanks! it feels great really. kept trying my hardest to get into other vtubers but nothing clicked with me at all, thought I was never gonna find a new oshi again haha

No. 482858

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looks like /vt/'s closed

No. 482859

>>482856
Thanks for the spoonfeed nona, maybe I will check him out. He sounds cute. I think everyone should gush about their oshis here. It might help other people check them out.

>>482858
I think 4chan was hacked. I imagine it'll go back to normal within a few days. Let's hope they don't migrate over here.

No. 482860

>>482859
yep, the zoomers at soyjak managed to do it, keep an eye out for stupid bait nonas

No. 482884

>>482858
Unlikely to happen but if it shut down permanently it would actually be the healthiest thing for vtubing kek
Pointless outside of being a cesspit for the worst fans since they're so strict about PLs that it's not even a useful resource.

No. 482887

>>482884
at this point it just became a holo/dramafag forum. killing /vt/ might genuinely save ENvtubing ngl

No. 482946

/vt/ being down might encourage people to start posting itt more, hopefully

No. 482950

>>482946
Yes, if 4chan isn't back up in 24 hours I am going to start posting here as if it were the /vt/ numbers thread.

No. 482952

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RIP in piss /vt/

No. 482953

>>482946
>can't even hornypost or use soundposts
ahh it's gonna be a bit of a shift for me

No. 482954

>>482953
Nobody's stopping you from hornyposting.

No. 482956

>>482954
i don't want break any taboos itt, it kind of feels like getting expelled and sent to a different school

No. 482968

>>482956
It's already broken. I'm pretty sure I've seen nonnas hornyposting about Ao-kun before in these threads.

No. 482970

>>482968
Not sure the reception would be positive for any male hornyposting that isn't ryona kek

No. 482971

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I guess i'll start the hornyposting
I need to leash him and call him a good boy so bad, you dont understand. make him my loyal pet that'll do anything I tell him without question

No. 482972

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God, I hope this sticks. 4chan has been a shambling corpse for the better part of the decade, so mercy killing it could give the internet the shake-up it needs.

No. 482973

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>>482971
gods i love him

>>482972
4chan died after the 2016 elections anyways, so I dont mind it being killed permanently

No. 482974

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>>482970
just do it girl. stop caring too much.

No. 482979

O feek like hornyposting should go into one of the containment threads like all most of the other hornyposting. This thread doesn't need to become 100 posts about railing men or drama with the occassional post about actual
streams like every other male vtuber dedicated space.

No. 482981

>>482979
ogey minimod

No. 482982

>>482981
Have you heard of people stating opinions that might be different than yours

No. 482987

Nonnas the thing about using this thread as a /vt/ substitute was a joke, you weren't supposed to immediately start the shit flinging

No. 482990

>>482987
this is why vtfags arent welcomed here

No. 482993

>>482987
vtubing just brings that out of people, kind of like kpop fans. it's in our genetics to become tribal.

No. 482994

>>482993
Speak for youraelf, this thread is fine most of the time lol

No. 483002

>>482979
I don't know which threads you're referring to. The one on /g/ does not allow vtubers.
Also, I didn't see you complaining about Ao posts.

No. 483003

>>483002
Let's see the Ao hornyposts

No. 483005

>>482994
i'm just talking about fans in general not this thread.

No. 483008

>>483005
My bad then, nonna. That much is true.

No. 483011

>>482982
yes and i was stating an opinion different from yours as well <3(emoji/emailfagging)

No. 483014

>>483011
>emote
delete your post before you get b&

No. 483031

>>482979
Where are the containment threads?

No. 483052

>>483031
lurk moar tourist

No. 483095

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kill me i hate being vod gang PLEASE FFS STREAM EARLIER IN THE AFTERNOON YOU CUTE FUCK

No. 483120

I'm so lost uuuu(learn2integrate)

No. 483122

>>483095
I've never been able to respect this guy on account of him mentioning that he washes his kimchi in his debut. Literal child behavior smh (I'm joking, I'm glad he's back)

No. 483125

>>483120
uh oh napkin melty

No. 483144

>/vt/ down
>gura graduates
Where do I shitpost about this…

No. 483145

>>483144
What is there to even say about something we knew was coming for years.

No. 483148

>>483144
>We're gonna miss out on the moid melt down
Why even live

No. 483149

>>483144
Damn, I thought you might be kidding but it's for real. I know she's been soft-graduated for years and I don't personally like her, but I still feel like this is really a nail in the coffin for vtubing, or at least Hololive as we knew it the past few years.
Curious what will come next for her. She's giving up a job where she probably just basically has to be a figurehead and collect her 6 figure checks.

No. 483151

>>483149
Holy kek I thought it was a hypothetical.

No. 483152

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>>483144
Getting it done while the monkey park is down it out will be such a majestic "fuck you".

No. 483154

>>483149
>Curious what will come next for her.
Best case scenario (for people who like her and probably for her as well) she links up with the rest of the graduated EN girls and does hololive lite as an indie, but there's always a chance she just regresses back into alcoholism and sporadic shitposts

No. 483155

>>483149
/vt/ being down meaning i won't be able to witness the most historic meltdown yet, that being said i knew this was going to happen since she started streaming less.

No. 483157

>>483149
Huh I wonder if she'll go back to Senzawa or retire completely?

No. 483165

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>>483149
You get used to the loss after a while. Those who were there to witness the vtuber golden age 5 or so years ago know that the recent ones ain't it.

Surprised she would full on graduate, though. I imagine Cover would gladly keep pumping her wallet just to lay claim to her and save themselves the bad press that will come from it.

No. 483168

>>483144
Is there some astrological explanation for both of these events today

No. 483170

>>483149
Vtubers have a shorter lifespan than hamsters. I wonder why? the big ones definetly make good money, i wonder if the moids are that insufferable and draining.

No. 483171

>>483170
Plenty of big vtubers are still active and doing well

No. 483173

>>483165
Maybe she will pull an Ame and do an "affiliate" graduation to keep the merch bucks flowing in.

No. 483177

>>483149
good one lolishit vtuber down many more to go

No. 483180

>>483149
Well now I'm actually upset that /vt/ is down now

No. 483196

>>483149
There's a good amount of people saying that hololive is finished as a company because of this but I don't know enough about them to tell if they're being over dramatic or not

No. 483199

>>483196
No way, she has been almost completely inactive for years at this point. It's big news because she's arguably the face of vtubing and hololive in the west but if hololive needed Gura it would have died in 2023.

No. 483207

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>>483157
Isn't she still the only one whose properly just left vtubing

No. 483209

>>483196
Nah, Hololive would have been finished ages ago if that was the case. None of the talents that've left have been unexpected.
I think it's good that they're finally leaving, not because I dislike them but because it's better for everybody to be able to peacefully move forward without the will they won't they stress.

No. 483211

>>483149
Holy shit, finally.

No. 483212

>>483149
What does this change, though? It's not like she's been around doing anything. If anything this just finally severs the obnoxious chumbuds from the community.

No. 483214

I get why outsiders think this is catastrophic but this is honestly the best time in the past few years for these grads to happen. Advent and Justice both breathed a lot of new life into the EN branch and have noticably brightened the morale of the preexisting talents, meaning the old guard can bow out without leaving things barren.
And that's just how a normal company works, hire new employees at a reasonable rate while those who felt they've gotten all they can move on.

No. 483215

>>483207
She's an (actual) farmer. Maybe invested her money into that?

No. 483217

Who do you think will go next from EN Gen 1? Calli leaves to pursue her music stuff more, Kiara moves into a talent manager role or Ina? (I don't know that much about Ina)

No. 483220

>>483217
Ina is the most likely but I don't think even then that she's likely to graduate soon. Calli and Kiara are with this company to the bitter end at this point, they're probably the least likely to leave in the branch.
After Gura though, I can hardly think of who would be next the graduate. She was the last of the predictable departures, everybody else has been doing well lately.

Anyways after Gura, there's nobody with a fanbase large and insane enough to look forward to melting down with a grad. Maybe FWMC but I doubt they'll ever leave kek

No. 483222

>>483220
FWMC have been on the idol grind for ages. They're sticking around for at least 3 more years.

No. 483226

>>483222
Imagine the delicious Ruffian tears when they do go, though…
This is just Holostars catching strays with no basis on facts but I think a Bettel graduation would be similarly entertaining.

No. 483230

>/vt/ down
holy shit i NEED to witness moids melting down. nothing in in vtuber history could beat this. maybe niji's black screen though

No. 483231

>>483220
What about Kronii? I know she said she's not going anywhere, but a lot of holos have made false promises. She's had disagreements with management in the past, and the rest of her SNOT clique have graduated.

No. 483232

>>483230
We all talk about the black screen but the Riku Apology was the funniest part of that whole ordeal for me kek

No. 483233

>>483230
It's almost poetry the one event we've all wanted to witness for the past 3 years, 4chin is dead.

No. 483234

>>483230
wasn't the discord "all out war" screenshot a bigger meltdown?

No. 483236

>>483231
I think Kronii was a graduation risk a couple years ago because she had a genuinely shit ass manager, but unlike Fauna, she actually got switched to a new one and has been going strong since then. I don't see her potentially graduating unless Mumei and Gura redebut as indies (unlikely on both counts) and start streaming a bunch again, she doesn't seem close to Fauna anymore.

No. 483237

>>483217
Mori has a UMG contract exclusively through Cover/Hololive, I can't see her dropping that.
My bet is on Kronii or Ina

No. 483238

>>483234
I wouldn't consider that a meltdown, it was more like ruthless mocking kek

No. 483239

>>483237
Does she have that as DemonDice? She did a tour in the US as that. I don't think she sung any of her Holo stuff

No. 483243

>>483239
No, only under the Mori Calliope persona. That's how she's been able to collab with the likes of One Piece, big singers, etc.

No. 483244

>>483230
The first thing I did after discovering the news was to visit /vt/ kek. I would have loved to see all the generals struggle to survive among the chaos.

No. 483245

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At least Nimi is streaming tonight.
But I'm gonna miss talking in /uuu/

No. 483247

>>483244
on the bright side parrot and bvtm can't grift on /vt/ today

No. 483249

Curious what the reason for so many people thinking Kronii might graduate is. Ina I get because of last year's big incident, but I feel like Kronii's very stable these days.
>>483245
Aw, it makes me happy knowing there was at least one other female nonnie in /uuu/

No. 483253

>>483149
Fucking finally. I hope none of her fans ever find joy again, and I wish she kills herself for contributing to gooners with her lolishit(a-logging)

No. 483258

>>483253
Being into lolis is the LEAST bad thing about her cancerous fanbase.

No. 483260

>>483258
>>483253
Tragically I think most chumbuds became pebbles. Which explains why her fans are always so fucking annoying.

No. 483261

>>483249
Kronii was a mess a few years ago, she's doing much better now but I guess there's still a bunch of people who only loosely keep up with Hololive and who still mostly remember the zooted out depressed menhera Kronii from 2022/23

No. 483263

If we're talking about graduations from talents who barely stream anymore, I guess there's Marine but somehow I don't see her leaving.

No. 483266

>>483245
How can nonnas stand her voice? I find it so grating

No. 483267

>>483149
Not surprising if you actually followed Myth from the start. People getting all shocked are weird because she have barely been streaming for 3 years now. It was a matter of when.

No. 483268

>>483266
Is it really? Compared to FWMC or Bijou, I think it's cute and soothing. Then again, she was the only one at EN with an interesting game choice so I kind of got used to it kek

No. 483269

>>483266
Idk, she just talks like a woman with a higher pitched voice to me. I wouldn't call it soothing or ASMR-worthy but she's an actually interesting streamer so not much else matters to me. It's not like she's Biboo or FWMC talking like retards.

No. 483271

>>483268
Kek I love that we made the same exact comparisons

No. 483273

>>483144
she's never been my style of vtuber but this is quite possibly the most diabolical way to go about it, holy shit kek

No. 483274

>>483273
>this is quite possibly the most diabolical way to go about it
What, doing the announcement while 4chan is down?

No. 483275

>>483271
Can't believe me and nona shared the same thought kek but yeah, I agree. I can't stand those two no matter how much I try to, it's like being talked down like a retard.

No. 483276

>>483275
I'll be honest, I do put up with FWMC sometimes because they're the only ones in EN afaik that sometimes make interesting retro game choices. But Biboo… God it's just cocomelon for retarded adult men. More than the normal vtuber.

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>>483149
Gura would always feel forced to mention that she has health problems without ever elaborating about them, which imo have always sounded like an excuse.
When Ina and Mumei had their health issues, they both made sure to speak about it to their fans and (in Mumeis case) other holos would confirm about it.
I remember Inas Chatting stream before her break awhile back and she would mention the reasons being her health and burnout, going into details about her health rather than just saying "health" without adding anything (like Gura did everytime she was forced to). In Mumei case, everyone who actuallh watched it knew that she got covid that turned into long-covid, which have strained her voice greatly (other holos would talk about her health too and say how they miss her even long before her graduation) and you can actually hear the change in her voice everywhere (esp her last cover). Meanwhile, Gura… Girl, just be honest and say that you wanted to leave 3 years ago. So much for always talking about how she "works on big projects", for it to turn out to be your comeback to old weed-driven persona.
>>483263
Marine have had her own vocal issues ever since ~last year? Two years ago? You can easily find her clips speaking about it.

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>>483274
She's been working with the shartards to plan this for months. Wake up nonnie

No. 483283

>>483277
IDK, I was told that Marine herself said she's recovered healthwise a while ago? Can any nonnies confirm this?
Really sad to hear it was long covid with Mumei, I had no idea. Kudos to Ina, I remember that long stretch where it really felt like she might graduate and everybody in Myth seemed super burned out… But unlike Ame and Gura she actually came back.

No. 483292

>>483283
Marine has been struggling with some weird health issues lately https://x.com/houshoumarine/status/1906618350102589896
Apparently the problem in her eye got so bad she was wearing an eyepatch IRL too now lol.
But even before that she had already been less active in terms of streaming for a long time, mostly focusing on bigger projects.

No. 483295

>>483292
Ahh, thanks for the elaboration! I'm sorry to hear she's dealing with so much…

No. 483303

DAE believe that Gura was supposed to graduate after Mumei's graduatiom but they decided to rush it to now imstead because of the 4ch outage kek

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>>483276
ntayrt, but when Advent debuted I legitimately thought, "ok EN's a lost cause to me now" because here we have three talents talking like they're voicing in a shitty 4kids dub. Nerissa and Shiori were just sort of there.
Today, Nerissa and Shiori are still just sort of there, but FWMC I admit were at least amusing in things like holoGTA when they actually had good back-and-forths with the JP members. Bijou though, ugh, she's the first talent I actively dislike because she was never clever or amusing, just defaulted to her "I'm cute so I did nothing wrong nihongo wakaranai" shtick, and that's before you add on the pedo pandering. I swear, the reason she moved to Japan wasn't for work but to fulfill some latent weeaboo fantasy, because she'd just be some Twitch weirdo back home but now she can roam around Akihabara or wherever and say "I'm a real loli now".
Myth and CouncilRyS were my jam but now I can't even stand to watch EN because of the association with this retard. Like I trust nonnies that Gigi is fun and creative but when I read an EN fan type "BOAT GOES BINTED" in a JP member's chat I just want to bite my tongue off.

No. 483314

Since we're doing /vt/ posting here's my inflammatory hot take: Biboo and FWMC are way more HoloJP coded than 90% of HoloEN and if nonnies here were Japanese they would be talking shit about Miko and Korone for "talking like retards". I feel like a big part of this divide on the EN side comes down to early EN management trying to do their own thing with the branch and making it more "mainstream western let's plays/streams but vtubers" than "HoloJP but they speak English".

No. 483319

>>483310
Kek, yeah Gigi has a tendency for retarded memes but I can't hate her because multiple members have been significantly happier since her debut. I tried getting into her streams, but I think Cece and Raora are the standout streamers of their gen. Her commentary is just uninteresting. Gigi is like an emotional support animal the managers bought for the girls to me KEK

No. 483321

>>483314
Actually this has always been my defense of FWMC even though I'm one of the anons who called their speech retarded upthread– Korone is my oshi so it would be retarded of me to actually hate them when a lot of their strong points are Korone's strong points (minus the coombaiting). They're hard workers who are genuinely extremely passionate about their niche interests, and whether I gel with their speech or not, I don't hate it. They truly love and have an encyclopedic knowledge of idols and old otaku culture to the point, and Mococo in particular get autistically sensitive about specifics because of it. That's relatable.
Biboo though? Absolutely substanceless babble. I think she'd be alright as a friend but I genuinely don't know what she offer as a streamer or content creator other than the fact that she's constantly streaming. I have to assume her appeal is the 100% uptime of CGDCT for people who are into that, but it's incomprehensible to me. Don't pebbles have, like, things they want to do with their lives?

No. 483325

>>483314
The fact that Miko streams in Japanese is what makes her work better than FWMC and Biboo, though. The culture is different and consequently so is the humour. She's actually funny and in collabs she's a strong tsukkomi (which unfortunately I feel like Subaru stopped being?) I also think FWMC work best when you think about them in the culture mode of JP streaming.
Bijou isn't funny, though, unless you're a zoomer. I guess a zoomer can defend her kek

No. 483328

>>483321
>specifics because of it. That's relatable.
Biboo though? Absolutely substanceless babble. I think she'd be alright as a friend but I genuinely don't know what she offer as a streamer or content creator other than the fact that she's constantly streaming.
I don't watch her either but as far as I can tell her thing is being a "hardcore gamer" and acting like a child. Regardless, I feel like that goes for a lot of HoloJP as well. Remove the classic idol aspirations from Aqua and what did she do? She was never a particularly unique or smart or highly performative streamer, she gamed a lot and generally acted cute and that made her one of the biggest pillars of hololive during their early growth. Biboo doesn't seem that different to me although admittedly I never watched a ton of either of those two.

No. 483329

>>483328 (me)
Oopsie, screwed up the quote. Don't know where that came from.
(tourist newfag)

No. 483331

>>483328
AYRT No, I agree. The vast majority of Holo talents in any branch aren't necessarily above Biboo's variety of content where they don't necessarily provide anything special. I don't think being JP makes talents inherently better.

No. 483343

>>483149
Never liked a lot of her fanbase and the pandering to lolicons, but still sad. She's undeniably an icon in the vtuber scene, had a simple yet instantly recognizable design, a good singing voice, goofy sense of humor and a natural charisma a lot of the other girls just don't have. Vidrel is still one of my favorite hololive performances, her and Korone's voices go together really well.

Pretty funny that 4chan is down today of all days like other people said though, would've been funny to see the meltdowns.

No. 483349

>>483343
I've always loved vidrel myself…
I don't really dislike Gura, I think she was a good hire and huge reason for the EN branch's success early on because, as you said it, she has a lot of natural charisma. A unique, skillfully used vocal talent with wide appeal was a huge boon as well. Not everybody, no matter how hard they work, has that "it" factor.

No. 483363

>>483349
Oh I really like this performance too, it's adorable. The other song she did with Okayu was relaxing and nice to listen to as well. I pretty much expected this to happen for ages now so I'm not really surprised or super shaken up by it either, even if it still sucks we won't get more of her singing with the other girls like this if she graduates for example. I will say I assumed they would space out the graduations more since Mumei's and Shion's are happening soon, guess not though.

No. 483369

>>483363
Right? Honestly a little relieved to just have the rest of the scab peeled off, though. It's a little bit of a downer for Holo fans overall when part of the fanbase is grievin the loss of an oshi. Hopefully this is the last of it for a while.

No. 483381

>>483247
I'm mad, but at least he'll be denied the oportunity of making the most amount of money this year.

No. 483383

>>483149
It's like saying the sky is blue, we all knew she hated it and didn't want to be Gura anymore. The only good thing is the seethe from scrotes lol.

No. 483387

NGL she's been gone so long and often and we've been through this so many times now that the potentially emotional aspect to this feels like a skit lol

No. 483388

May 1st is her graduation. Same old reason. Disagreements with management.

No. 483389

>>483388
Feels kinda dumb in her situation when she's been gone way before any of the "issues with company direction" would have been a thing

No. 483390

Her "trembling" voice sounds forced as hell. We all saw this coming and she knows it.

No. 483391

>>483389
I started expecting that it was a stock response a bit ago

No. 483392

In spite of any feelings I have about this, it does make me emotional every time I watch this performance. One of my favorite in Holo overall after the following events.

No. 483395

>>483388
>issues with management
>i love to sing
>i love to dance
all these high pitched hologirls are the same

No. 483397

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>thank you for pouring your hearts out to me
>>483395
Lol it honestly felt ai generated off of the previous grad statements

No. 483398

I do not think it was live. I might be wrong though.

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can't wait for people to post the black company allegations, screenshots of cover stocks and then for things to go back to normal

No. 483401

After 3 more full graduations instead of shifts into affiliate status I have to wonder what was different about Ame's situation/what exactly the contract for that looks like.

No. 483402

Well, it's over.

No. 483403

A few uber autistic moids will genuinely rope themselves over this so I only see it as a win.

No. 483405

>>483403
Didn't a KFP already do this a couple weeks back

No. 483406

>>483247
will EN Vtubers in general have a decline in views? I think this genere is already saturated, and I guess the world doesn't need any more faux anime girls. Just end it with Gura, and so we can move on.

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>>483403
https://desuarchive.org/a/chunk/278106615/500/27/
i don't know enough about ghost posting to even tell you what a 'chunk' is but the replies to this are a bit funny

No. 483408

>>483405
Apparently so. Not because of Kiara though. Just seems like they had some mental illness

No. 483409

>>483406
Probably not, imo Gura's fans felt really isolated from the rest of Hololive fanbase. Fans of other girls will still stick around.

No. 483412

>>483406
i dont think it will. nimi's CCV and video views are higher now than they were in the months leading to her graduation. one vtuber graduating no matter how big isn't going to end vtubing. /vt/ is a holo board, but that doesn't mean vtubing is in the same bubble. gura's fans will probably move on to other vtubers. the indies are doing well still, they have dedicated fanbases and the big indies taking breaks still have their fanbases come back to them all the same without much drop at all.

No. 483415

>>483406
Depends on the vtuber and what region the vtuber's main audience is in. So basically, no, generally, not really.

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No. 483447

>>483403
I remember the faggots on 4chan bragging about still being channel members despite Gura doing fuck all on her channel. They were nothing but ATMs to her and now they know it kek

No. 483555

I miss the starsen thread because they would always post streams and I more than once only knew some of them were streaming because of anons posting about it. But I am glad vt is down for this graduation kek

No. 483566

>>483420
>natalie
Looks like a tranny.

No. 483569

>>483407
Beautiful

No. 483575

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>>483555
I miss shitposting with the girls.
All those memes… all those memories will be lost in time like tears in rain.

No. 483583

>>483447
they were so sure that cover would do everything in their power to make her stay

No. 483596

>>483583
I mean, didn't they? She stopped streaming like 3 years ago and they kept her around as a mascot and included her in every merch collab and brand deal they could lol I don't think Cover are happy to see her leave

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No. 483603

>>483217
>>483220
Kiara is a weird case where I wouldn't be surprised if she was here for the next 10 years or if she was the next member to graduate. The only guarantee she gave in the same membership stream was that she won't be graduating in this year for sure.
SEE >>476889

Also adding to the speculation that graduations could be individual based management frustrations, in her last stream Kiara disclosed that her upcoming 3D live concert was delayed by 1 year (it was suposed to be in 2023), then she recorded the live to be released in December 2024 - the idea was it to include all HoloEN as guests, and she had a performance with Fauna recorded as well plus some of the setlists where performed in the 3D Santa outfits because December.
Management then delayed her live again to Spring, April 2025 and because Fauna had graduated by then, she had to remove that performance and the Santa outfit performances from the final setlist. Mumei also was excluded because she wasn't sure if the new 3D live date was going to be before or after her graduation.

No. 483605

>>483601
>8chan
Holy kekk ofcourse they did

No. 483610

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>>480739
Is this about Sonny? II am a retired Vtuber watcher but he used to be someone that I loved above everyone in the vtubing space and still do. I think his absolute most best VP in my opinion is his Halloween one. He wrote the script and I think it’s the type you’re looking for in terms of yume content. If you want some voice packs, I have a couple and can upload them with a password attached somewhere. He was 18 or so around the whole sketchek fiasco (his getting kicked out also motivating his reason to do what he did) so he’s in his late 20s or very early 30s now IIRC. He does work out and he lives in Australia. He is on very good terms with his family and his big sister in particular (who’s I think more than 5 yrs older than him) babies him lol. Don’t have any recent photos cause I’m not the type to stalk Facebook pages for that stuff.
Overall a really cool guy. His story of complete social retardedness and neetdom to where he is now is one of the things that inspired me to address my own stuff and get back to school. I hope you enjoy him. If you have anymore questions just ask me.

No. 483611

>>483603
The stuff with Kiara's live sounds insane, if anything it's a wonder most of them manage to put up with management for so long especially now that the fears that no one will follow them if they quit should be gone.

No. 483621

>>483555
use holodex

No. 483624

>>483601
Half is there, and the other half seems to be here
https://boards.holotower.org/hlgg/catalog.html

No. 483626

>>483603
Man I had no idea, that's super frustrating. Pretty sure it's not necessarily a favoritism thing either because I remember Calli also talking about how her manager had to muster up the nerve to go to bat for her about the things she wanted but wasn't getting, only to get shot down.

No. 483640

>Gura graduation
damn it finally happened huh. would've loved to see the meltdowns on /vt/

No. 483647

>>483624
Most of the board already was necrobump hell due to no meaningful discussion ever taking place there. I can only imagine how miserable the threads are with the community further splintered in half.

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>>483610
Nonna you're my savior… Thank you for all the answers. I'll buy the halloween vp. Admittedly I never yume'd like this for most of my oshis so I don't know if all vps return at some point but if they do, I want to buy the ones with romantic tones myself. If some don't return I might need help… I have a lot of questions, please ignore me if I start to sound insane. Do we know his actual height? I noticed he didn't seem to be looking down at Uki in 3D who's listed to be around 170cm in his profile. I thought there's no way Uki made himself to be that short if he's not actually short but who knows. Sonny also doesn't look small or short in that one handed cooking video so I'm confused. This one will sound stupid but is he white, asian, or wasian? I saw his pics and he looks like he's all of them kek I also feel the same about his redemption as a recovering neet myself, so I'm interested in knowing more about his thoughts about his family, is there any stream or a general time for streams where he talked about his family or his struggles around that time? I'm so late to the party, I don't know where to start with catching up to know more about him… Who are his oshis? Did he talk about any other jobs he had? Is there any specific reason/story for his want to be a big brother figure others rely on? Does he have a type for women… Not that I'll find and date him but you know… I just wanna know I'm slowly watching vods and clips and I really enjoy his streams but I feel like he doesn't talk a lot about himself. I can't tell if he doesn't have much going on or if he's just good at separating his personal life and work.

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No. 483766

>>483144
>>483149
Mori says she didn't know Gura would be announcing her graduation. It'd be funny if Gura actually got her graduation announcement pushed sooner in response to 4chan going down.

No. 483770

>>483766
I wonder exactly for how long she (and the other girls) knew about it. Must've been weird being at Fauna's graduation sending her off while knowing they'd leave soon too.

No. 483772

>>483766
This was an interesting talk, it felt like more or less confirmation that Gura is the last of the graduations lined up, at least for EN. The way she talked about next years anni also seemed to confirm that Kiara and Ina plan to stay another year.

No. 483775

I hope Gura has managed her money well and doesn't have to regress into do collaps with Bell Delphine again. I never really watched her but that's a terrible fate.

No. 483778

>>483775
She's probably fine money wise. I forgot she even collabed with Belle Delphine until I saw this video, cursed

No. 483783

The talk of Ina being next in line scares me kek, and would shock me. I would follow her if she continued as indie, but she's pretty much the only vtuber I watch consistently and since debut, and I love her character/model. I can see her leaving if her health declines again though. She seems to genuinely love hololive, so I think it'd have to be something pretty serious for her to leave imo. I don't watch every stream or vod so I may have missed her hinting at stuff not going too well.

No. 483796

>>483783
The only flare up she's had in recent years was when management fucked up her visa last year and she wasn't able to do any work during her Japan trip, which likely cost her and everybody involved in planned projects a ton of time and money. I think she's been alright other than that.
People just keep tossing around Kronii and Ina's names because they don't actually watch the agency and stretches and spikes of vocal discontent no matter how relevant they are to current status stand out to them.

No. 483797

I've been watching Okayu's old VODs lately for language immersion and it's such a shame that she's changed so much in current day. I would love to be able to catch the old Okayu live, and both OkaKoro would be my oshis, but it is what it is…

No. 483803

>>483797
wonder if she reverts back to her old self when shes collabing with Korone. Korone seems like she has little patience for the lewd stuff, and is a pretty family friendly streamer.

No. 483811

>>483783
Kiara confirmed in her stream today that all three of the remaining Myth members are sticking around and are not currently in talks to graduate, so you don't need to worry atm. She also heavily hinted the same way that Calli did that Gura's graduation is the last one they know of, which should mean it's the last for the foreseeable future as they knew about all three of the latest EN grads around the same time.
>>483803
I really wonder, I think this might just genuinely be what Okayu is like now. It seems more like she gained confidence in herself sexually (which like… I'm not a fan of the outcome or the source of that but whatever) based on things she's said about how she is now and what she would like to be like as she ages. I've seen her PL pics and she was heavy prior to debut and stuff so I don't know if she's like Matsuri and had a glow up and decided to be super sexual or what.

No. 483816

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Raden is closing her superchats

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No. 483830

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LMFAO

No. 483897


No. 483919

>>483816
Is she making that much from memberships or does she have work outside of vtubing? I've never seen a vtuber close their superchats entirely.

No. 483936

>>483919
Cover is the only big corpo that gives an actual salary to its talents, not just superchat cuts. They also get the cuts from all of the sponsorships/appearances and merch. Probably means that Raden thinks she is getting enough right now.
I personally think that Gura and Ame got kicked out this year simply because COVER couldn't stand paying money to a person who have done jackshit over the past 3 years, especially if you check that COVER have hired a lot more people last year.

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>>483897
It's gonna be Nerissa

No. 483944

>>483937
high risk of graduating
>constant breaks
>complains about bts work a lot
>can never stay to their word
>doesnt put out actual schedules consistently
>cant adapt to travelling to Japan every year
at least, thats what i've noticed

No. 483956

>>483937
Mumei is asian

No. 483957

>>483956
No she isn't

No. 483959

>>483956
Pretty sure fuwamoco are Asian too

No. 483960

>>483959
No they aren't wtf are you all on

No. 483961

>>483959
FWMC have a 10 year old thread on /snow/…

No. 483975

>>483956
>>483959
if you want attention just say so fam

No. 483998

>>483919
Mayuzumi Kai used to do the same and he was definitely making way less money than Raden. In his case he said he felt like this was better because fans would redirect their purchases to things that actually gave them something back, like VPs and merch, which would actually give him a higher percent of the profits than supas. I'd assume Raden's fans will still be able to fund her similarly if they really want to, and with her subcount she'll make a decent chunk off of passive views and sponsorships as well.

No. 484164

>>483960
I've heard other people say this before too. I guess they just assume they (FWMC) must be asian because they know japanese and tried to adopt the same hairstyles and general aesthetics as japanese women. Doesn't make them actually japanese though

No. 484194

I know Korosan is the one who mostly gets named here in this regard, but is Pekora also pretty family friendly? I'm looking to start watching a second Hologirl.

No. 484200

>>484194
Pekora is pretty good too, yeah. Honestly Peko, Miko, Korone, and Fubuki are pretty good if you want consistent streamers.

No. 484201

need some JP niji reps. decided this year aside from a few EN's I keep up with, I want to dip my toes into the JP scene. There's drama in it too, I know, but it just seems like kiwifarms/vt took over the western vtubing sphere.

No. 484202

>>484201
>reps
I meant recommendations.
Anyways, gender doesn't matter to me, though personally I like a good mix of calm and goofy personality.(learn2delete)

No. 484205

>>484201
Thanks! Good to know about Miko, I think my JP isn't good enough to understand her, uh, unique manner of speech yet but she definitely seemed funny back when I was still watching clips. I'll have to check her out once I level up some more.
>>484201
I really like Kagami Hayato, he's a pretty wholesome and goofy guy who's a veteran if the utaite scene and makes a variety of off the beaten path game choices. You also get a lot of fan content since he's a member of ROFMAO, although for me I just like that we get the weekly variety content through that.
This clip showcases his personality as well as some of the fun JP antics well IMO. Basically the two guys are not able to be heard by guests, who don't know thy're there, but Ririmu can only say what she's instructed to.

No. 484206

I'm a simple woman. I love Mario Party streams. If there's a Mario Party collab, I'll watch it. Doesn't matter if I like the talents involved.
Anybody else got a game like this?

No. 484208

>>484201
salome and mito

No. 484222

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I used to watch and enjoy Tenma since a lot of anons here recommended her. I haven't seen her in a while, but I follow her on twitter. Sometimes she reposts very loli-esque artwork. Has she become more coomer in streams, or was she always posting artwork like this?

No. 484273

>>484194
You can check out last years GTA 5 clips and see which storyline interests you. Its was a fun event

No. 484382

>>484222
Have you not seen her design? Every retweet of her fanart is going to have loli-like qualities. The choice is clear-cut: either you vibe with it or reject it wholesale.
That said, she's the only Phase girl I have any sort of appreciation for and if she wasn't attached to the cancer that killed vtuber discourse, I'd be supporting her in a heartbeat.

No. 484391

>>484222
She was pretty anti lolishit the start but she has started pandering to the moid coomers morewho are all 30+ mind you after continuous "pomf" jokes and her playing the rpg with literal beastialty in it I've stopped watching her

No. 484403

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>>484382
Ehh idk, I always got the feeling she was leaning more into the "petite adult woman" thing since she was stuck with an unfortunate loli model. Some art she's reposted like picrel conveys that more.
But if that's too much splitting hairs over minor details or too much artistic liberty changing her body type, she could also just not repost coomer artwork. Every corpo vtuber has plenty of cute fanart to repost that isn't lewd at all.

>>484391
That's gross, that's what I was worried about. I feel like there are some talents in Phase with decent potential but a lot of them end up appealing to the grossest demographic of moids because that's the image Pippa has set up for the company.

No. 484441

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>>462007
She looks more normal than I was expecting

No. 484442

>>484441
Can't believe she's been doxxed by KF. This has to be an old photo, the makeup is so outdated.. Too bad she's absolutely bonkers.

No. 484449

>>484441
She looks just like a girl who used to crush on me hard in high-school, and I'll always associate that look with the stench of mustard and poor hygiene. Walking daddy issues were miserable to be around.

No. 484451

>>484441
I swear every loli vtuber who swears up and down "I look like a child irl you guys! I shop in the kids section! I get asked if I'm lost!" looks the mustiest and dustiest irl kek

No. 484457

>>484441
i didnt know grimes became a vtuber and its always the uggos isnt it also i hope child services keep an eye on ellies little sister because after her mum and grandfather who looked after her being dead i dont trust this pedopanderer being around a actual child now (considering she has posted irl photos of herself and overshares every little thing like the cow she is)

No. 484461

>>484441
She looks literally terrifying, wtf is that thick dark eyeliner and brick brows? Everything about this screams 2016

No. 484463

File: 1745008324082.jpg (44.57 KB, 720x324, Weirdo.jpg)

>>484457
Yeah I hope she doesn't end up doing something to her sister, she's been a creep for awhile

No. 484464

>>484463
She has underage sisters? Please don’t tell me this pickme is the one taking care of those poor girls after the mom killes herself.

No. 484476

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>>484464
i still don't believe that, it's most likely she said that for sympathy and to take heat off of the the michael cat situation.
>>484463
does she have 2 sisters? because it's weird for her sister to still be 9 after 6 years.
https://x.com/fallenshadow_YT/status/1899862996249162066

No. 484478

>>484476
Oh come on, god forbid a lying grifter get a new sister every now and then

No. 484546

>>484222
Never watched her but her designer is a lolicon so it's not really surprising to me. I don't really like when the girls rt lewd art of themselves personally (loli or not) but it's pretty common with vtubers, so eh.

No. 484698

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>>483319
>I tried getting into her streams, but I think Cece and Raora are the standout streamers of their gen.
What do you like about them, especially Raora? Advent was a miss for me so I haven't been keeping up with EN, but I just checked Justice's sub numbers and I'm impressed that Raora has practically caught up with ERB (508k vs 511k), because it seems all people talk about when it comes to Justice is either ERB or Gigi. Maybe I'm missing out by not watching Raora kek

No. 484728

>>484698
I just find both of them genuinely funny, but that's subjective. Raora really started standing out for me in ENReco because she has a lot of sass and humour that I didn't expect in collabs, and she's great and engaging with her fanbase of Chattinis as well. Cece is one of thos estreamers who's just very experienced with the technology of streaming and goes out of her way to utilize OBS in interesting ways that keep watching her streams engaging.

No. 484735

Fulgur is graduating. I didn't think it was actually going to happen, when I saw the title I literally thought "he's probably the last person to graduate"…

No. 484737

I really miss /vt/ at times like this.

No. 484741

>>484735
Huh, for people who watched him often, were there signs?

No. 484746

>>484735
He just finished his long-going story Legatus505 and his physical disability prevents him from doing most of anything when it comes to doing events and so on so I’m not too surprised but damn.

No. 484749

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This is nasty moid pandering behavior. Sorry to anons who like that they're aidoru weebs hardcore otaku. Idc if they're talking about legit ice cream, the subtext is clear.

No. 484751

>>484749
is anyone really shocked here theyre bunch of pickmes?

No. 484756

>>484749
If I were them I would double down on it too ngl. They're already in a niche subculture that mostly caters to retarded pornaddicted moids. This just makes them more likely to stick around and send money. Save the money > move to japan > buy a nice house > retire and pursue their dreams after they're too old for idolshit.

No. 484765

>>484756
What dream are they supposed to pursue other than idolshit where their pedo pandering dog rp won't haunt them

No. 484767

>>484765
Nta, but am geniunely baffled by how much hatred you hold against them when there are literal pedophile indie vtubers having a huge platform on social media.

No. 484770

>>484756
Iirc their family is pretty wealthy. That's how they were able to take private Japanese lessons and screw around in Japan doing irl aidoru stuff for a few years.

>>484767
Ntayrt but the whataboutism is unnecessary. Grown women playing lolis and doing baby voices on the internet is gross. Grown women playing teenage-ish looking doggos on the internet and doing baby voices while acting like theyll totes enter a polyamorous relationship and play eroge with incel male viewers is also gross. If you enjoy FWMC then that's fine but don't expect this thread to worship them. It's regressive and gross in just a slightly different way than blatant lolicon.

No. 484771

>>484765
despite what scrotes on the internet say plenty of women with embarrassing pasts live normal lives. The only career they're probably blocked from is political but lmao why would they do that?

No. 484774

>>484770
I just think that pearl-clutching at something as small as this tweet is a reach when vtuber community has its own amount of geniune lolcows who actually have milk of their own. So many things you can actually discuss when you choose to waste your time screeching at this?

No. 484775

>>484774
Average /vt/fag who defends pedo panderers to the death lmfao.

No. 484776

>>484774
Then either bring some milk from other lolcows or cope with the fact that not every anon is going to like your oshis and theyre worthy of criticism. Anons in this thread are capable of discussing more than one thing at once.

No. 484777

>>484775
Ive literally made one of the OPs but whatever helps you sleep at night.

No. 484778

>>484775
how is that tweet pedo pandering, it just looks like gooner bait. If this was shondo or gura I could see your point but the worst thing fwmc do is incestbait(which is gross but not what we're talking about)

No. 484781

>>484728
>goes out of her way to utilize OBS in interesting ways
CC's creativity really shines through especially when she isn't doing games. wish she would do more music making streams because i enjoyed them. on that subject, have you seen bijou's vs the world birthday stream? cool how the holo girls are working with reya to produce more creative streams like that and how reya helps brings out their ideas. never expected OBS was capable of that and her behind the scenes videos have been interesting

No. 484784

>>484746
I remember reading the story in part. It's finished? Please spoonfeed me just once.
On another note, I'm surprised he lasted that long. While Vox was talking about graduating in solidarity, I thought that it wouldn't be shocking if Fulgur actually did it.

No. 484792

>>484441
I dont go here but the way every one of these lolicon-pandering v-tubers is ugly irl is hilarious to me. I wish somebody found an irl pic of pippa

No. 484793

>>484792
>>480808
Hold on to your sides.

No. 484794

File: 1745086559457.jpg (1.92 MB, 3884x3000, firstyourheart_.jpg)

>>484784
He said the blog will stay up so you can read it whenever you want.
>legatus505.blogspot.com
I forgot about Vox saying that, who was it about? Surely not Selen?
>>484741
Not a recent fan (I used to watch him but not for a year or so) but I listened to him talk about it and read the letter he wrote. He talked about how it was obvious that he was struggling a lot with his own creativity and actual grief in his life. As far as I can understand the fans knew he was going through a lot and he has been playing games about or talking about death and grief a lot. He mentioned a project he worked hard on fell through but I don't know if the fans knew it before this. He also talked about how he felt like he was pulling Noctyx down because of his disabilities that limit what he can do with them, which has been a struggle for him mentally since long ago. All in all I'm glad noctyx ended up visiting him and he had the confidence to put himself out there for them.
Kind of worried my oshi in noctyx might graduate but he talked about them like the three have plans for the future, so I comfort myself by believing he wouldn't be so hopeful about their futures if one of them mentioned considering graduating as well.

No. 484796

>>484749
What is the subtext even supposed to be here, Fuwawa is lactating violently? I think it's just a dumb tweet about that silly Japanese boob ice cream, of all the creepy stuff Fuwamoco play into I don't think this is the one to fixate on. Marine says worse stuff than this literally every time she streams and she's half the thread's oshi apparently.

No. 484798

>>484793
Is it actually pippa? I thought people said that pic was just some rando? But it checks out cause why is she bald kek

No. 484800

I find it funny how Geega subtweeted to comfydants to not be so dramatic about Fulgur (which is obviously showing she didnt even bother watching his stream and just decided to put her uneducated two cents into it), but didn't have the balls to say that about all the Holo grads and the grown men crying/yelling at companies over it.
Can't stand the double standards in the EN vtubing community

No. 484804

>>484798
Nta but Pippa doesn't take care of herself, I think she mentions losing teeth due to them rotting. So maybe her hair loss is something similar

No. 484806


No. 484812

>>484804
>I think she mentions losing teeth due to them rotting
wtf

No. 484820

>>484798
Pippa looks like the smelly horse girl who dates the really fat guy in highschool and then goes to jail for selling meth.

No. 484823

>>484767
This lmfao I feel like they're not any worse than Kiara or Pomu. They're both also just weeb women who made it in the only industry they could actually do something with them.
Speaking of which, I actually dislike Kiara's moid pandering a lot as she simultaneously goes out of her way to make sure everybody know she's a lesbian. I appreciate a lot about her but it's a particular dissonance that feels disgustingly commodified.

No. 484825

>>484823
>theyre just hard working women who pander to pedophiles and gooners! smh rn so many bigots after a true girlboss
you lot are like the kpop lobotomized stans(infight bait)

No. 484833

>>484825
I did not say any of that kek I think you just want to be mad. All I was saying is that they're literally a lateral shift over from any number of other girls even in the same agency. It's weird to single them out unless you're like… an idiot who thinks they're exceptional in some way.

No. 484849

>>484833
Nta but they're getting singled out because they just made a retarded coombait post and this is the only place you can go to complain about that, nobody is saying that the others don't also pander to moids.

No. 484850

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The unique and disgusting thing about Fuwamoco is the twincest shtick. This is certainly not artwork I'd personally post of my sister and me. This is on top of the babbling baby voices. They act as stupid and annoying as loli vtubers, their models are just slightly taller and boobier.
I think anons who are going to be triggered by their favorites being critiqued should go to r/Hololive and have a circlejerk echo chamber with no mean comments.

No. 484851

>>484850
I broadly agree, I just think the boob ice cream tweet is such a bizarre thing to melt down over. By those standards all of hololive should be unwatchable, except for maybe Ina and a couple others I guess. There's always going to be some weird double standards in this thread since it's a non milk thread mostly about the exact type of people who would typically be featured on the other boards here lol

No. 484859

>>484850
Yeah the twincest is an actual issue point. You should've opened with that instead of getting rabid towards other nonnies over nothingburgers kek

No. 484860

>>484859
>nothingburger
Nta but you're on a gossip site why are you getting so bent over If some anon is tired of coombaiting pickmetards? That's the point of the thread

No. 484861

To be honest the only thing that ever really annoyed me about fwmc was that promotional stream last holofest where they went dead silent over the stars. I don't watch the stars but it felt a) unprofessional and exceptionally b) pathetically moid grovelling.
Everything else is par for the course in vtubing I don't care. Even the twincest is, like, who cares. I get it's taboo but when you think rationally of all the reasons incest is normally harmful (inbreeding, unfair power dynamics) identical twins aren't really affected. Idgaf.

No. 484863

>>484860
I wouldn't really say it's the "the point" outside of cow boards but yeah that's a fair enough expectation from site culture. I'll keep that in that nonnies are probably just venting next time.

No. 484869

>>484861
I thought that was weird too, men call them based because of it since they wanna preserve the idea they could have a chance with them and they're "pure" idols for not interacting with males, but it was just kinda awkward really. I guess they knew their fans would possibly have a meltdown over it considering how these types tend to react when they interact with males and their background with idol stuff, but still. It's way too extreme to just totally give them the silent treatment and it came across as odd. If you say this men will tell you you're just a seething stars fan or whatever (I don't even watch them) and want FWMC to be whores and cuck them with them though, as if just acknowledging their existence= fucking them kek. Men are so insecure and sensitive.

Also I agree with >>484851

No. 484875

>>484869
Exactly. Stars are just part of the same company. At bare minimum I would not want fans that can't handle the knowledge that I have male coworkers.
We know from other Holofest anyways that it's not like the genders are hardline segregated backstage even without co-ed performances going on. Moids need to face reality.

No. 484879

>>484875
Cover and (some of) the talents play into it too, I've seen a screenshot of a Koyori stream where she said that hololive and holostars are kept completely separate even off stream so she doesn't know the stars at all even as distant coworkers, assuming that chat translator wasn't making it up then like even if it's true why go out of your way to state that

No. 484882

>>484879
It really seems to be up the the talents and Cover itself IMO takes a neutral stance to allow that self determination. Koyori is one of Holo's top earners even though she's not that popular with non-Japanese fans, and a big part of that is that she has a ton of gachis, so I'm not surprised she'd say something like that.
I still think Shiori doing a slowburn bait and switch on male collabs is so funny. Forget Gura graduating, I'm glad 4ch was up with that happened kek.

No. 484888

>>484882
I meant Cover assuming that what Koyori said is true and company staff do actually keep the branches completely separate even during studio recordings etc

No. 484892

>>484888
I don't think it's true, Jurard talked about how he encountered Bae backstage and mistook her for a staff member which seems to imply that on some level they're not segregated. I think it'd be up to the talent if they want to be completely separated or not, since I could see talents like Kanata getting actually upset at mistakenly interacting with one of the guys.

No. 484899

>>484892
Bae mentioned that moment on her stream and she said that she went to meet the Armis boys on purpose so maybe they are kept segregated by default? Regardless the whole thing is super weird, like obviously let each member do whatever they want to I guess but I find it super weird how normalized it has become for people to casually mention that they refuse to interact with male coworkers and then the fanbase immediately starts making excuses about how actually that's a super normal thing to do

No. 484902

>>484888
>>484899
he met bae in the studio, not backstage IIRC so the buses are still separate. the 3D studio building isn't though. apparently jurard farted so loudly that iofi heard it as she was recording in her booth so unless jurard has super farts that can pass through multiple different buildings they can occasionally share the same space

No. 484904

>>484888
Jurard confirmed that buses etc are kept seperate by gender lol. Yagoo wasnt kidding when he said he wanted Holo to be like AKB48, and with the amount of incel moids in the fanbase, its not surprising.

No. 484938

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>>484749
Tbf this is a popular ice cream literally called oppai ice cream that's been around for decades and notorious for doing exactly what they've described

No. 484939

>>484938
vid for anybody interested in how it works

No. 484947

>>484938
>>484939
This looks like an inflated cum filled condom instead of a boob. Retarded product.

No. 484948

>>484938
Im sorry but every year of my life that passes I lose more and more respect for japan as a country lmao what is this

No. 484949

>>484948
>>484947
It's been around since the mid 1900s, apparently balloon food products were a fad for a while back then (due to the passage of a then-recent industry act permitting more novel packaging types) and the specific product with a very on the nose name just stuck around while trends moved on.

No. 484951

>>484938
I thought this was an egg in a condom

No. 484953

>>484951
Competitors called it egg ice cream and it used to be made using latex so you're not wrong kek

No. 484956

New Gura song

No. 485035

Did anybody else watch this collab? kek watching them lose their sanity as Korone trapped them in an endless loop of playing the same Mr. Mime minigame over and over again had me cracking up. Subaru's tsukkomi is too funny

No. 485055

>>484956
It's not just a song, it was composed by Casey Edwards of all people (dmc5)! Going out with a bang for sure. Really happy for her.

No. 485056

>>484956
Sounds like League of Legends music

No. 485072

>>484794
I don't know if that's sarcasm, so I'll act like it isn't. Yes, it was Selen. Imagine going from that to the black stream.
It's nice to see Doki with Mint, Matara etc. I wouldn't be surprised if that extend to Fulgur's next life.

No. 485074

>>485072
Fulgur hanging out with the person who tried to ruin his and his friends' careers out of her own mental retardation? I dont think so

No. 485075

>>484861
For me it could've passed as a funny bit. But then I saw that Cover was removing some of the comments and replies. Not the ones calling them based, but some of the ones that were critical. Even if it's the (Japanese) company protocol of censoring everything negative, it's still off putting.

No. 485076

>>485074
How did Selen ruin anyone's career?

No. 485078

>>480820
Who's Rena?

No. 485079

>>484948
Do NOT look up "Kanamara Matsuri"

No. 485082

>>484956
This is the best graduation MV/Song that I've seen. Nothing will be as good tbf. Love the hidden messages

No. 485083

>>480793
Most of these pictures are from Nyfco pages. Enna was Shannon.
There's probably pictures of LemonTeaBops out there somewhere. She was cute iirc. She looked normal on Nyfco.

No. 485085

>>485083
Samefag. I do not see the resemblance between Finana and Aki. If anything, Doki looks a bit like Aki.

No. 485090

>>480815
I like her personality. Wanna see a better picture? Take a screenshot.

No. 485091

>>480810
She doesn't even look particularly bad in this picture, it's obvious that it's just an unflattering picture of a nice looking woman.

No. 485093

>>480808
pippa looks exactly like someone who pukes in a drawer

No. 485094

>>480968
That sounds like a joke. Like someone saying they like this "underrated" talent named Gawr Gura. This is what the Nina document was made of.

No. 485100

>>485094
Most of the fanbase complaints I've seen here recently look like the result of someone reading false flag shitposts on /vt/ and taking them seriously.

No. 485111

>>485072
he'd probably hang out with Matara, but I cant see him and Doki getting along. doesn't seem like the type to hang out with people that don't take responsibility for their own wrongdoings lol

No. 485154

>>485111
Incorrect.
He worked with Riku Tazumi and Vox Akuma. Plus Millie, Elira, Ike. It'll be hilarious if they Collab and he starts mentioning all the ways he couldn't participate in company culture due to his disability. Or was denied sponsorships/opportunities.

No. 485207

>>485154
Detected a retard that didn't even watch his graduation stream let alone any other streams from him. He's mature enough to know what a job at a corporation means, he just no longer wants to be in it. Only in vtubing does someone leaving a job in good terms make people think they hated the job and their coworkers.

No. 485241

>>484956
I have been watching this video on loop. I am not a Gura fan, per say. However, if she’d pull out this kind of stuff when she was in I’d be a big fan. I have Reflect and Q on my playlist aswell.
She did a great work and I am glad she collabed with Casey Williams. Afaik she’s huge into Devil May Cry.

No. 485244

>>485241
i think you mean casey edwards who is a dude

No. 485250

>>>>485244
Lol no, I meant that Gura is a big fan of DMC my bad

No. 485259

>>484956
Lovely song. I really can't blame her for being the face of EN Vtubing and having a retarded fanbase.

No. 485499

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Cute

No. 485503

>>485154
Jesus christ, have you retards always been here or is this simply a consequence of /vt/ being down?

No. 485504

>>485259
>having a retarded fanbase.
which she cultivated by parroting the child vagina meme, you lolishits arent welcomed here

No. 485506

>>485504
>Me
>Lolishit.
Okay! I don't even watch Gura outside of her collabs wit Mori, I just think she has a retarded fanbase, let's be real.

No. 485510

>>485504
Nta but if you think all of her 4 million subs and that anyone who likes her in some way are by default lolicons you're actually retarded

No. 485515

>>485510
i dont doubt that there arent more than 4 million pedoshits in the world but dont pretend shes doing the pedo pandering by force or we are misunderstanding her words, next you'll tell me all the times she has retweeted and posted lolishit porn is actually of a adult "petite" body type character

No. 485529

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Can't wait for 4c to revive itself so we could stop having this pointless infighting in the thread. I want to do nothing but support my girls and hear other nonnies talk about them. Vtcucks, please kill yourselves.

No. 485649

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>>484442
Here she is with less makeup

No. 485736

>>485649
Looks less retarded but unsurprisingly I'm not seeing the "omg I totally look like a little girl IRL everyone mistakes me for a child for real" anyway

No. 485759

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>>485529
Same, nonnie, same.

No. 485760

>>485649
she looks ghoulish

No. 485802

>>480808
I had seen Rie and Lia before, bit crazy that most of them are pretty, except, you know

No. 485817

>>485802
Go back to twitter

No. 485900

>>485736
"Omg you guys I'm always mistaken as a child irl. I shop in the kids section. My model has the exact same proportions as my irl self it's not pedophilia" is the worst genre of vtuber babbling.
Shiina (in >>480808) pulls this kind of thing constantly. I think at best she looks like a normal early- to mid-20s Asian woman. I don't think she's being mistaken as a 12 year old nearly as often as she claims.
More likely that people are mistaking all of these vtubers as special ed adults because half of them don't wear age-appropriate clothes and/or don't shower regularly.

No. 485901

>>485649
>Blurry
>Anachan selfie angle
>Kinda dark, indirect lighting
Kek

No. 485904

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It hasn't been discussed much here but Kaminari Clara of Phase Connect is a loose cannon on her personal instagram account (@kerupani) She makes multiple pro-trans insta story posts and posts complaining about republicans and trump every single day, even though she is a Canadian woman living in Japan. She also made this disturbing post about hoping women die during childbirth.
I don't personally like trump either but it's probably best to avoid specific politics in this thread. The point is that Clara has lolcow potential and makes multiple inflammatory instagram story posts a day.
Apparently Clara has beef with Jelly and some other Phase Connect members because they're not pro-trans.

No. 485912

>>485904
nona please archive the Instagram post before she dfes it phasecuck members roam ibs especially pippa kek

No. 485913

>>485649
She looks like she would larp as a "femboy" vtuber if her loli pandering career failed

No. 485920

>>485904
Seeing moids seethe about her makes me kind of not care. There's pedo pandering vtubers that are way worse tbh

No. 485927

>>485920
Ngl but it's getting kind of old for the past few days that anyone posts some vtuber drama, there's an immediate reply of "this is nothing, there's lolicon vtubers out there."
There's plenty of roasting of lolicon vtubers in the thread, scroll up like 2 or 3 replies. If it's not enough for you then bring some fresh milk or contribute to the discussion.
I don't think a vtuber not having a loli model makes them exempt from all criticism.

No. 485992

>>485904
Wouldn't it be better to post this in the /w/ vtuber thread instead? Some of you seem to forget that this is a fan thread for discussing your favorite vtubers, not a milk one.

No. 485999

>>485992
Honestly forgot about that thread, might be a good solution to avoid the infighting.

No. 486011

>>419455
KEK sorry for necro but I just heard about Kirsche today and looked her up here on Lolcow to see if there's discussion on her and she looks EXACTLY like she sounds like to the point it's eerie, this is literally the picture I had in mind when I listened to clips of her streams, the white trash fat girl with an AGP smirk who squeezes her boobs together and takes upper angle shots.

No. 486025

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Nimi showing off her full model for the first time soon

No. 486033

>>486025
i hope to god the rigger isn't kevin.

No. 486044

>>485515
I never said that, I wasn't the anon you were originally replying to like I said in my post. I think she pandered to lolicons to some degree sure, but it's still retarded to assume her entire fanbase and anyone who just casually likes her songs (like the anon you were replying to) must automatically be a lolicon and calling them a lolishit or whatever.

She's the biggest vtuber on the platform afaik which means a broader audience and a lot of random casual viewers rather than solely lolicons despite the lolicons also being a part of her fanbase. If you could think beyond black and white extremes and actually paid attention you would understand this and not immediately accuse anyone who likes some aspects of her content of being a lolicon. Even random baseball normies know her because of the Hololive Dodgers collab, are they all lolicons too solely because they casually enjoyed her singing at that game and watched some of her streams afterwards. It's just a stupid insult to throw at that anon and makes you look retarded.
>>485992
Agreed, idk why people keep confusing this for a milk thread when it isn't supposed to be one.

No. 486061

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No. 486062

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>>486025
so same artist as Fauna, no wonder it took a while to get done given how busy a lot of the pro artists get. honestly she looks kind of plain, but i like it better than the overanimated bobblehead, that one was just way too distracting.

No. 486063

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kek

No. 486064

>>486063
all indies have a bald toggle

No. 486065

>>486062
It looks ok, I prefer it to her model as Fauna.
>>486064
Didn't know that. Looks goofy

No. 486069

>>486061
>>486062
Thank god. I love it. I hated the chibi and its stupid massive boobs so I was worried the actual model was going to be ridiculous, but this is good. I'd rather have something a little plain than a cluttered mess of current fads.

No. 486070

>>486062
>>486061
Probably my favorite corpo reincarnation so far, although Doki's redesign with Selen's mama is also up there.
>>486063
Kek she should have committed to 4 ears and kept the tapir ears in the bald ver as well as thr human.

No. 486071

>>485904
Having beef with Jelly is based, that woman might be the biggest pickme in a company of pickmes.
Hilarious seeing somebody committed to actual liberal leaning takes enter the company, though. I always thought you'd have to be either an edgy reactionary or the most politically defanged woman ever (as in, the kind to have no real takes until she gets a boyfriend whose politics she absorbs by default) to join the company.

No. 486076

>>486069
kek the chibi model was too deviantart for me so i never took that close a look. i hope she puts that thing out to pasture and never uses it again
>>486070
i wonder if Dooby would've gone with Nabi if she didn't go scorched Earth on all her socials. as it is Dooby's model is just so painfully generic i don't even recall who the designer was.
oth Rica/Mel didn't go with Ayamy for her new model even though she's still pretty active so i wonder if there was a story there.

No. 486081

>>486076
I'm really surprised to hear about Mel, I remember her mama crying on stream after her termination because she was so broken up about all the things she wasn't going to be able to do with Mel now.
And same, I love the concept of dooby's design but I think the style and a lot of the execution is painfully generic. There's the argument to be made that simplicity is better than ending up with another Michi Mochievee (every time I see her I'm impressed by how fucking bad she looks) but I think jerboa train conductor was a super cute idea that wasn't capitalized on.

No. 486085

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>>486081
>Michi Mochievee
Nta but I didn't know who this was so I googled her out of curiosity and…Kek you weren't kidding this is an awful design

No. 486117

>>486061
i expected more more toggles and movement, along the lines of this video since the model was taking longer, but her model's rigging looks good and the design is clean. missed opportunity for more fun toggles, but im sure she add more later if she wishes. iron vortex rigging is a hit or miss for me, but they did good. at least she didn't pick kevin. she seems disconnected from the vshojo circle enough not to be influenced by their terrible commission/artist decisions.

No. 486119

>>486085
when people in the awful character design thread say that something looks like a Vtuber, this is the kind of thing they're referring to lol
>>486117
i have zero interest in Vshojo so i have to ask, what's with this kevin thing and why is he so bad?

No. 486134

>>486061
Something feels off about this design and I can't tell what it is. Like, it's something that actually makes me HATE the design. Is it the skirt? Do I wish for it to be longer? It's hard for me to look at.

No. 486135

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>>486085
Isn't this pretty much standard? I got that vibe after Hololive "idol" designs. There's just a jacket on top and it's not white.
From the cosplay scene, it's pretty clear that outfits tend to be a bit over the top. Is this an Iris situation?

No. 486137

>>486119
video not related to kevin, just thought it was kind of cool. anyway, kevin's very overrated and is a bit of a prick who blocks anyone who criticizes him.
>sells weird assets like the alarm whistle in loli god requiem
>sells public models that included all of his previous clients' psd so anyone can steal the client's vtuber model if they wanted
>reusing templates and not telling clients
>changing the artist's design without consulting to fit his template
>lets mistakes go into the final model in rigging

on another note, if there are any aspiring vtubers here, there's a free customizable vtuber model with a inky style you can try out

No. 486139

>>486137
normally I feel like I've seen all free vtuber models but I've never seen anyone use that

No. 486142

>>486061
This would be so cute done by a better artist, i think its boring right now, like super generic. Doki's design is the best one so far.

No. 486196

>>484956
Just gave this a watch and wow I’m really impressed. I always prefer female vtubers voices when they stop putting on a high pitched loli voice lol

No. 486250

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If we're talking about Vtuber designs, Kaela had her default model changed recently and I dunno, maybe I liked the dress, silhouette and color combination of the old one but the new one seems like such a downgrade. Though, I like to think she changed it because she got sick of the forced penguin/Holotori jokes (idk I don't actually watch her).

No. 486301

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Nijisanji should put a sample for all voice packs cuz I like claude's voice but I know he's one of them fags that think straight fan service is gay so he probably winged even the rise and shine theme as platonic roommates but I also don't want to miss it if it actually is romantic.

No. 486302

>>486250
i personally think it fits her lore (if anyone cares about that) and personality well. She is a huge nerd who solves everyones tech problems and her genuine tism regarding videogames is unmatched (similar to korone). she loves doing all of the tough work and is into the workshop-type of a persona (her debut alone was focused on her fixing things) so i think its pretty neat. really happy that after irys people started being allowed to want to get their 2.0s (flare, holostars who left, etc). i think the only holo who i pity regarding their artmamas is kronii. her kimono outfit is 10/10, but her artist seriously cannot draw any human anatomy at all…

No. 486330

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>>486250
Sidegrade to me. I didn't dislike the original design aside from Yasuda Suzuhito's usual bizarre way of drawing boobs, but I get why it might not have been her cup of tea– and her proportions were in definite need of a retuning either way, they looked especially bad in 3D. The newer design is still cute and if she's happier with it, I'm happy for her.
Picrel is by far her best outfit, though. I wish it was her default lol.

No. 486333

>>486301
This guy is the no.1 representative of Nijisanji's gender bias and I hate him for it kek. I get there's no bad blood or whatever but him defending the company because he got his while his genmates went into the red was just foul.

No. 486337

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>>486330
I personally love this one. And i agree, her artists way of drawing chest is downright horrible. No wonder every other outfit makes sure to hide it; but i can also imagine that she is the type to not want to show that part of the model at all; her persona is more on a tomboy side

No. 486346

>>485904
Her, Lia, Uruka and Pippa are all on a trip together in Japan so it's not as bad as your making it seem.

No. 486350

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>>486085
her model was one of the ugliest looking things i've seen in a while when I was watching her debut, though i think it was the rigging. It was twitch vtuber physics x10000. Her new model is much better at least (until it goes to her lower half)

>>486081
Dooby's model straight up looks like she brought it off of Fivver. the concept is creative but it's so bland to look at

No. 486352

>>486061
>>486062
I think the model is cute. the only thing that i'm iffy on is that the hair looks underrendered compared to the rest of her design, so it makes her head look sort of out of place.

No. 486383

>>486062
>>486061
I like it, though the face rigging seems a bit underdone.

No. 486393

>>486196
Reminds me of this video that popped up in my recommended a few days ago

No. 486482

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Who is your oshi, how exactly did they become your oshi and what's the thing you like the most from them?

For a while, I used to avoided her because I thought she was just coomer bait and didn't have much beyond that, but then a clip of her talking about physics popped up and I found it endearing and from there it kind of just snowballed until I started watching streams.
I love how passionate she gets about random things her and enough trust to tell us things about her past, like the time she donated her entire manga collection collection as a kid kek.

No. 486496

>>475518
Rather that than a lolicon avatar

No. 486600

>>486302
I don't hate it but I guess what I don't like about it is how it feels a little too practical. When I look at her other outfits, there's some elegance or flair to them like in >>486330 and >>486337 that's missing in the new default model. I think I wouldn't have minded so much if it was an optional casual outfit but as a marketable design I feel like it's a bit too basic. But eh, could be worse, she could be using that dumb loli model.
Speaking of Kronii the impression I get is that she doesn't like her default model either. Wonder if she'll want the same 2.0 treatment down the line too.

No. 486621

>>486482
I love Ina, she's really talented in art

No. 486622

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>>486600
This one is her fave for a reason, its geniunely perfect. But i can imagine that its hard to tell whether her artist would do a great job at redesigning her or not, since her artist is known for being a fan of drawing fanservice designs (if it wasnt any more obvious). Holos dont have a word in their default designs when they debut, but they all discuss the new ourfits together with the management and the artist.

No. 486704

>>486622
but if you look at the credits of some of holopro's 2.0 and their new costumes, they're all drawn by different artists and designers from the default one, so they're not locked to picking the same artist as the default one? so i have hope for kronii's 2.0 if she can ditch her default art

No. 486753

>>486704
iirc that depends on the artists schedule and such. The only truly unique case is suiseis; her artist refuses to work on her new outfits ever since kiryu coco vs. china events.

No. 486826

>>486704
For costumes sure, but as far as I can tell, the only time holos got new artists for their main appearance were the OGs before the Gen system was in place, like Miko and AZKi. Everyone else so far has stuck with their original artists. The only outlier in recent times is Vesper but lol about him.
Plus I really don't want Kronii to lose Wada Arco's distinct style. It'd be like Pikamee who dumped her iconic GYARI look for a generic skeb model that I smdh whenever I think about it.

No. 486835

>>486826
I'd like her to stay with Wada Arco too but have adjustments made to her model, Like RedJuice did for IrYS.

No. 486836

>>486835
Ah yeah I get you. IRyS's updated look is such a cute and amazing glowup I have to wonder if some dumbass EN higher-up with "muh vision" forced Redjuice to draw the old model the way he did.

No. 486861

>>485904
Didn't her stories, and yuming about loki fan fics, paints that she'd be a tumblr style liberal. it would be very weird if she was some republican.
>>486071
I wonder how they deal with the necessity of being a pick-me for the job, and how do they relate to each other IRL.
On the trans thing, I don't push to my libfem friends who haven't peaked, and I guess they do something similar to maintain group cohesion.

No. 486896

what is this

No. 486897


No. 486899

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>>486836
I simply adore all of the IRyS outfits after her upgrade. Sadly i have stopped watching her after she got her 2.0 because she started lewdbaiting like there is no tomorrow… Hopefully she calmed down back then. But i still miss the old days where she was just a girlie…without any stupid fanservice
>>486896
>>486897
You can easily spoonfeed yourself. It's literally hololive's MMORPG for hololive fans where they can collect things, interact with the talents and watch their concert.

No. 486951

>>486899
Love that Irys outfit

No. 486972

>>486899
I love this outfit but what is that ghoul hand kek



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