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>>490833Honestly I think that the lack of variation in the designs they've been turning out is one of the biggest things that makes current Niji feel different than the old Niji I'm nostalgic for (both are good in their own right, though). Some might say it's just a liver's appearance and it doesn't matter much, but it does inform the basis of how a liver presents themselves beyond aesthetic, I think. These are extreme examples, but kuroshiba and Chaika as normal anime character designs would be completely different.
>I also can't help but worry that eventually there'll be TOO many livers and they won't be all able to get enough supportI'm actually always astounded that Niji gets up to all the 3D activities that it does. Hololive has issues with the studio almost always being booked out as is with the smaller talent pool and had to put restrictions on how many lives they're entitled to each year. I think Niji does a lot more regular 3D programming like the student council, gacha lever daipan, chronoir, and rofmao's shows (I'm aware not all of these are still active) on top of the various individual liver 3d debuts and performances… It's a logistical feat they pull off decently given what they're working with.
Also this reply is so late but I just want to say thanks for the actual discussion! It's kind of rare in this thread!
No. 493839
>>493660AYRT It's ironic you say this because I've also heard complaints and criticisms that Cover has way more 3D staff than it actually needs. But here we have actual talents saying something, so shows what fans know kek.
I will say though that on average a Cover 3D showing has higher quality than a Nijisanji one– a lot of the Nijisanji 3D showings I referenced are just them in what looks like a stock produced setting with minimal prop interaction, the really labor intensive stuff comes during big performances. Meanwhile Hololives scale down was saying that fully produced birthday and anniversary lives for every single talent is just logistically not that feasible.
Also keep note that it's mostly Astel talking here. Holostars has it's own issues that I don't really think are related to logistics– about a year back or so Holo started scaling down the resources they previously unconditionally funneled to the Stars. Not interested in saying who is at fault here because it's a confusing vortex of them not really bringing in results relative to the girls but the company also being frustrating at times.
No. 493976
>>493912Nah shes exploiting her child shes a single mother and instead of going to uni or getting a stable job shes fucking streaming 24/7 while having a toddler so much the nip Incel moids called her out on it,theres another mom vtuber I used to watch but shes western and she makes it strictly clear that she will not expose her child or make a model of her when she streams.
and her larping as the main character from oshi no ko doesnt help either she has experience with irl stalkers apparently but still chooses to be a idol with her CHILD exposed to these fucking creeps shes a fucking horrible mother and if CPS exists in Japan they need to look at her immediately
No. 494071
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>>493912>I've already seen requests for the daughter to sing Loli Kami Requiem. Nona, more bad news. This shit is disgusting. She posted this on YT shorts and some of the top comments that were calling her out had been liked by her. She surely knows what she's doing and
>>494025 makes it worse. I worry for that kid.
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>>493912I went down a rabbit hole of searching up things about this vtuber and a tranny tried to get with her (picrel). Apparently when she first started the troon was her only whale. He paid for a lot of her necessities and even bought diapers for her daughter. She made him a mod and he was planning on a trip to meet her. They went as far as flirting in dms. I've seen some /vt/ anons say that the tranny only wanted to get with her to groom her daughter, which whilst unsurprising I can't find any proof of. I don't know if there's any more info or updates out there. Ray has gotten a lot more popularity since then and Flayon from holostars has raided her in the past.
Apparently this is the tranny
https://x.com/Lexycon94Trying to convince her audience that everything about this is fucked up would be less productive than talking to a brick wall. Unsurprisingly there's a lot of pedos talking about her daughter on /vt/. I understand that as a single mother she has to earn money someway, that single mothers are still quite taboo in Japan and that earning money working at home as a vtuber allows her to spend more time with her daughter. It's not as though she can hide the fact that she has a daughter as a single mom, the daughter naturally makes noise in the background. I understand all of that. Still, even if it's not her daughter's real face this is approaching levels of child actor to me. Child actors are a bad thing for a reason. You never know if the people watching are pedos or not and I worry about stalkers. You'd have to be insanely naive to not believe there's actual pedos watching. She's essentially making her kid into a public person before the kid is old enough to consent to that.
No. 494167
>>493601>the lack of variation in the designs they've been turning out is one of the biggest things that makes current Niji feel different than the old NijiWell, it's something that's bound to happen when you want to prioritize appealing to a less niche, more general public and you do what's known to work. The designs play a big part in what they've been trying to do lately, and that is going further down the idol route for their popular existing units and newer debuts. All in all, this isn't a negative thing overall as this also means getting to do some really cool stuff, but there's definitely both pros and cons to this new approach. I've seen some fans express a bit of disappointment over a lot of content feeling a bit more pre-planned and 'influenced' by management nowadays, when in the past there was more of a casual vibe and livers just doing what they really want to do. Not to mention, increased idol reps usually mean decreased stream time too. All this is an issue with Holo as well, I remember seeing a clip of I think Pekora? saying that management would prefer her to 'focus' on the idol and off stream work instead of streaming. I try not to worry about these things too much when it comes to my oshis though, I can really only hope that management isn't pushing and overworking them.
>Hololive has issues with the studio almost always being booked out as is with the smaller talent pool and had to put restrictions on how many lives they're entitled to each year. This has always surprised me as well, with Holo's talent count I feel like it should be way easier to manage. But that's also why I feel like Niji will eventually hit a ceiling as well and have more talents than what they can manage. So I'm glad that they've slightly slowed down on the acceleration, and hopefully they can give their existing talents proper support instead. I already see people complain about ''favoritism'' because some livers get to appear in a weekly 3D show, while their oshi doesn't have the luxury.
>Also this reply is so late but I just want to say thanks for the actual discussion! It's kind of rare in this thread!Same here! Trying to talk about vtubers in english-speaking spaces can be exhausting at times as so much of the focus goes to the drama and the stupid corpo wars, people rarely want to discuss things from a more objective standpoint or just talk about their oshis with no drama of any kind involved.
>>493839>I will say though that on average a Cover 3D showing has higher quality than a Nijisanji oneThat's definitely true, although Niji does manage to pull through and do some genuinely cool 3D stuff as well, it's just that it's often locked behind the paid concerts. I thought Kuroi shiba's 3D debut was pretty impressive though.
The general 3D quality is still pretty decent, but also not too spectacular. It would be nice if Holo also gave their talents the option to do 'simpler' 3D performances instead of giving them no options at all aside from the high-production ones (which are limited).
No. 494811
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>>494785I am so sick of these ugly dramatubers someone please bring Him back.
No. 494813
>>494812Link to a proper writeup with evidence that doesnt come from a retarded dramatuber.
>>494811Kek
No. 494867
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>>494766>>494821Stupid ass nothingburger. She was unprofessional but the artist is a scammer.
Is this the only proof of 200+ hours of work? A png pasted on, mirroring tool and a couple doodles as a "concept"?
No. 494935
>>494867id say the artist was in the right here (cheap or not) shes working and providing art for a custom pc (you have to count free pr and advert money and copyright leases) the artist has a right to charge appropriately because dokibird will earn more than what the artist will (this is a one time payment doki can still sell her custom pc again if she wants to and i hope the artist has considered royalties in her contract) dokibird not paying her and leading her on is scummy and unprofessional, you didnt hire a friend but a artist for your merchandise (and you should pay them for your commission over others)
ive worked with vtubers this is the basic professionalism needed if i took 200+ hours of your life which you couldve spend doing other commissions that could pay you early and i kept stalling you how the hell else would you react if not with anger?
No. 495043
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>only tweets gm/gn without a stream for days with no notice of a hiatus
>in Japan without telling us, got ambushed by Meloco and Shu to join the off collab so he wasn't ever planning on telling us
He's definitely visiting his gf
No. 495057
>>495043Samefag, forgot to mention that he puts that suffering emoji when he get sucked too good
>>495054Well you're gonna wanna take that back when you read what I just said. Sorry I'm not the model briskadet
No. 495065
>>495057I'll tell you this as an idolfag and a gachikoi but him taking breaks without notice isn't something new; I assume from the way you write you are romantically attracted to him and that is completely
valid but at the end of the day you are attracted to the character, not the real person behind the character.
Even if he gets himself a partner there is nothing wrong with that because at the end of the day you are just a spectator and nothing else, as long as he doesn't bring her on stream you can just ignore it.
No. 495228
>>495136kek seriously wonder how they even discover this site
>>495071>I want him to myselfI hope you never meet him in person cuz you might try raping him KEK
No. 495273
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>sudden guerilla right after I outed him>look guys I still thirst over girls I'm so not in a relationship!!Good to know he's been keeping an eye on here instead of 4chan
>>495086You're acting like me having fits on lolcow is similar to how moids treat female vtubers on public social media accounts. Nyfcofags need to stop protecting their 30 year old oshis on lolcow of all places. Males that make money off of women deserve to have self shippers pushing their boundaries and I'm not even stalking him. If I was a moid and he was a woman I would be going through his grandma's facebook page to find the woman he brings home for thanksgiving
>>495261Whew. I'll be waiting for him to ask me to join him
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Ok……
So any interesting events going on these days? From either the JP or EN side?
No. 495425
>>495358ENreco just ended for HoloEN, not sure how many people watched this time, though. The last one was something I really had fun watching with my oshi and the fact that she's gone now made me too sad to check in for this one lol.
If anybody watched, did they address at all that 4 people are gone now…?
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>>495378Speaking of Ina's new outfit, Flare was streaming at the same time and interrupted the game to watch Ina's stream on a separate monitor, and I think it was at this point where I got real tired of her over-the-top fangirling. The "ore no Ina" thing was endearing at first but I can't really buy into it since they've never had a one-to-one collab or even meaningfully interacted with each other in any of the big events. Noel fangirls over Subaru too, but at least they've interacted with each other for years and some of the unhinged stuff Noel does like the creepy Minecraft shrine or the recent "Which Holomem Wuvs Subaru the Most" stream is kind of funny.
I always thought Flare had issues standing out when in her Gen she's flanked by Pekora and Marine, but I feel like it's gotten worse now that her character is boiled down to "IRyS's friend" or "Ina's fangirl".
Oh, yeah, Ina's outfit, I like it. I can't get enough of the classic school uniform look.
No. 495474
>>495086What's nenmen?
Google isn't helping.
No. 495479
>>495475I'm familiar with nyfco and get district vibes from some of these posts.
Nyfco died with Selen but it seems some of that bled to other sites, including here. We can at least hope that the ones who are in consensual relationships Satwant creeping on co-workers or stabbing minor GFs.
No. 495489
>>495465Lol I don't think I dislike it quite as much as you but I get where you're coming from. I understand if somebody doesn't want to actually collab with their oshi and wants to remain a fan admiring them from afar, but Flare is really open on stream about her fangirling/brags about interacting with Ina at events while not actually interacting with her on stream. It's a weird gray area!
I've thought about this before, but for the other nonnies with female oshis, would you collab with them? Even if I was a Holo member too I don't think I would, or even say who my oshi is on stream lol. Being a silent fan makes me happiest, becoming part of the content I enjoy would almost feel like I'm tainting it.
No. 495512
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>>494167>All this is an issue with Holo as well, I remember seeing a clip of I think Pekora? saying that management would prefer her to 'focus' on the idol and off stream work instead of streaming.For sure, it's unfortunate though because while most of the newer hires come in with the obvious expectation that they'll be doing a lot of idol activities, it's not necessarily something that a lot of the old guard put first and foremost. I'd expect Pekora in particular to take umbrage with that insinuation because she's always been a very passionate streamer who views it as an actual craft. Marine's even said (not very seriously) that collabing with Pekora can be difficult because of how perfectionist she is about every detail.
I'm glad Niji actually doesn't seem to push the idol element as hard on talents that aren't into it. They don't seem to do a ton with SakuYui as a unit for example, relative to their popularity, and I suspect it's because those two joined to play games first and foremost. I have a hard time seeing Sasaki scaling down her streaming in favor of more idol activities haha.
Personally, I definitely compartmentalize what I go to the different orgs for, though, so while I like Holo upping the idol anti I'm always a little wistfully sad about Niji barreling down that route as well (I know it's profitable). I've always gone to Niji for the variety show atmosphere and while that commodity persists it feels more and more like a side dish to idol stuff sometimes.
>So I'm glad that they've slightly slowed down on the accelerationI was surprised when I first heard about how drastically they'd altered and downscaled their recruitment process! But I do agree, it's for the better. People make such a big hubbub about every little Niji graduation as a sign of a black company, and while I think it sort of makes sense for EN given the stories livers tell post-grad, I think it's unfair when it comes to JP companywise? I feel this way about Holo too, it's a job and people will leave, which makes space for new blood to breathe and shine. Nijisanji's exit-entry ratio was really skewed for a while, so while they're still jam-packed to the brim it makes sense to slow down new debuts.
Complaints about "favoritism" are funny… A branch NijiJP's size would have to grow multiplefold in profits and support staff to give every liver exactly equal promotion, I think. They do pretty well, everything considered.
>Trying to talk about vtubers in english-speaking spaces can be exhausting at times as so much of the focus goes to the drama and the stupid corpo wars, people rarely want to discuss things from a more objective standpoint or just talk about their oshis with no drama of any kind involved.I know, right? Disagreements are bound to occur but it's genuinely interesting neutrally discussing how the big companies compare and contrast. And it's not like the vtubers we love have enmity between them themselves, so why the squabbling…
>It would be nice if Holo also gave their talents the option to do 'simpler' 3D performances instead of giving them no options at all aside from the high-production onesI wonder if it's a brand standard issue for Holo that prevents them from doing that? As in, Holo doesn't want the appearance of lowering quality. Because it otherwise seems like an obvious solution to the impacted resources and scheduling.
I'll have to check out Kuroi Shiba's 3D debut! I haven't watched her maybe years…? I've been meaning to revisit her now that I have decent Japanese comprehension, I've heard she's pretty good for learners.
Not to make a long response even longer, but how're things with your oshis (I'm not sure if ChroNoir as a duo unit are both your kamioshis) lately? Any stuff you're looking forward to?
No. 495625
>>495512>Niji doesn't push idol stupid on those that don't wannaI'll be that person: it's kinda hard to push music when a former producer is outed for drugging livers and taking pictures. Hard to do much when a talent uses that as a reason to not go to a studio.
(Not saying it's all like that)
No. 495690
>>495469These people are called "pigeons" in Japanese and it's been etiquette for years now that you just don't bring up another streamer in someone else's chat unless she brings it up first. I was in Vivi's pre-chat last night and some dumb chumbud was asking the JP-niki there whether they liked Gura or if they even cared that she was gone???? Like geez, Gura's dead and never coming back, get over it.
>>495489If I was in hololive I think I'd never reveal who my oshi was, even if I was collabing with her. I actually do some creative work, one person in my friend group clearly idolized me and that awkward feeling of someone who you think is your peer buttering you up is something I wouldn't want my oshi to feel kek.
>>495592Just as with other duos like Niji's Crossick, they had issues with fans not seeing them as individuals so they agreed to keep their relationship off-stream. Which is why I thought it's funny now that Flare is all "ORE NO INA, KAWAIIIIII".
No. 495717
>>495690>that awkward feeling of someone who you think is your peer buttering you up is something I wouldn't want my oshi to feel kekAYRT, yeah I wouldn't have an issue interacting with her but if we're coworkers I'd want to keep that relationship separate from my appreciation of her as a fan. I'm too old to think idolization in that kind of situation is a good idea. (Not a statement on any of the Holo duos of a similar nature, before anybody makes a nitpicky generalization.)
>they had issues with fans not seeing them as individuals so they agreed to keep their relationship off-streamI didn't want to say anything since I'm not an avid watcher of either, but yes AFAIK Noel and Flare are still going strong with whatever their relationship is behind the scenes. I remember in a Subaru stream last year? Subaru was commenting that Flare is still wearing the couple ring she and Noel have had for years now.
It was really funny, Subaru was jokingly implying it felt like Flare was silently putting her in her place despite Noel oshi-ing Subaru kek.
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>>493912>>494025>>494071Flayon's boosting her, Calli's boosting her, and soon Ironmouse will boost her on stream. :(
Disheartening, I wish they'd do more research into who they boost before they openly support them. All of en vtubers have this problem I wish they'd learn from jp.
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Rewatching my favorite clips from Korone. Very few things fill my heart so quickly with such unfiltered joy, I really appreciate her streams. I was trying to check out some other streamers but nobody really compares to how happy she makes me. Sorry nonnies I have nowhere else to sperg about her
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>>495765A fellow Koronesuki! I'd love to hear you sperg more often!
Have you watched her most recent Chulip streams? Nothing makes me happier than watching her get all excited about a retro game she loves… Hearing her give a shout out to Love de Lic and associated games like Endonesia and Moon was one of those moments that remind me why she's my favorite. I haven't had a chance to watch the VODs yet but her playing SF2 recently made my heart swell with affection recently as well.
She's genuinely one of my biggest motivations for continuing to study Japanese.
No. 495956
>>495861Honestly if it was a grift with 2 adult women, it'd be worth it to just go along with the diaper donations and claim the money is being spent on baby formula or whatever.
It's very hard to stand out as a vtuber these days, so getting moids to believe they're keeping a cute lady and "loli" out of the streets is a great way to rake in donations (although obviously morally disturbing whether it's a real or pretend baby.)
No. 496025
>>495491>Trying too hard to drive away all Niji discussion was what killed the thread before anywayEverybody who says this is suspect to me as one of the actual reasons this thread went silent in 2024. We died off because during the Selen shock there were a handful of bad actors being intentionally obtuse and inflammatory in this thread about the situation and mods looked at the messof reports and threw the whole thread out instead of investigating and handing out bans (which, to be fair, you'd have to waste time learning niche drama to identify the bait and trolls). That's completely different than "driving away all Niji discussion". Strange that you view it that way.
>>496001Niji EN male fans really need to stay in their own safe bubble. Although it's telling that the Sonny schizo knew she'd be poorly received even in /vt/'s dedicated thread.
No. 496038
>>496001I've actually met a few NijiEN fans at a concert and I felt such pity for them. They had Ike and some blonde guy (Luca? The one who kept being around Pomu) as their oshis, their outfits being nothing but huge shorts and plain white t-shirts while having a huge lanyard filled with their oshis keychains and plushies. They seemed very hostile around people and were talking about how much they hated female nijisanji talents, complained about getting hated on twitter all while browsing some drama-related tweets. I felt sorry for the girls because i really think its better to spend money on better clothing and yourself in general than some tacky merch of a random streamer that will get outed as a weirdo one way or another. I hope they learned to do better and look after themselves than getting addicted to some disgusting moids.
I think the only other weird vtuber fans that ive met were KFPs, but unlike being
toxic they were acting too much like these "overly wholesome" people who kept putting Kiara everywhere, making it seem extremely culty. I know on social media kfps are just as bad as the niji fans ive mentioned earlier, but they weren't talking shit about girls irl. Not in public at least.
No. 496095
>>496038I haven't really encountered it as an issue with other NijiEN talents' fans but Luxiem tends to have very misogynistic female fans. Outside of Luxiem, Uki, Hex, and Sonny all have shit fans too but at least Uki's fans are just faghags that stay in their own lane.
I do feel bad for the general bad rap Niji EN's male liver fans get because some of them seem normal and chill. Doppio's a good example of a male vtuber who manages to be strange and very fanservicey without being disgusting or cultivating a mentally ill fanbase.
No. 496187
>>496038I've hung around vtuber meetups at cons, and I haven't seen this supposed animosity from female fans. The moids there were fans of phase connect or shondo/neuro.
Interesting though, women cosplaying/oshing holo or niji got along fine. But the second males enter the scene it turns into tribalist infighting, moids just have to turn everything into chimpout fights
No. 496206
>>496041>>495963Sorry for poorly wording my post. I mean the grift "makes sense" from a financial standpoint if you're an adult woman or 2 adult women who have no morals and want to rise to vtuber fame ASAP with a morally reprehensible but unique gimmick. Clearly a lot of existing vtubers and moids are falling for the "poor broke single mom" thing without second thought.
If it's 2 adult women, it makes sense that the "mom" has to pretend to be excited over diapers and such gifts as part of the scam.
But either way, it's disgusting, inappropriate, and the "mom" is certainly aware.
No. 496252
>>496187>shondo fansThese weirdos need to get their drivers checked. Shadows fanbase is the most terrifying fanbase that I've seen by far.
>phase connectYou will never make me watch this corporation, its filled with the most retarded fans. The fanbase is filled with the most idiotic people who believe anything what /pol/ says.