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No. 356605

All drama-related discussion go here: >>>/w/319720
Escaped dramafags will get graduated from life

What is a vtuber?
>An online entertainer or live streamer who is typically represented by a digital avatar generated by computer graphics such as Live2D.
This thread is made to discuss your favorite Vtubers, news surrounding the topic, and other stuff!

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No. 356606

Were using this? Not mori?
Is this the best option for thread pic? I wanna see Ao-kun smirking down at me, at least. Or get flustered when SHE get kabedon-ed. Who's the lucky girl getting pinned, btw?

No. 356607

>>356606
Mori was barely mentioned last thread. And lurk more since you don’t know.

No. 356620

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Oh god I'm gonna YOOOOOM at that threadpic. Thank you, nona. I was worried we'd be stuck in /w/.

No. 356649

I remember in the first few threads everybody here seemed hostile to yumeposting that I just assumed that it wasn't allowed at all. Is it suddenly okay when lesbians do it?(bait)

No. 356652

>>356605
I think it all should be allowed. Hopefully, people won't be so mad at people being yumes for some of the boys. I'm still so sad Kyo is graduating, I don't know what to do, he was so cute

No. 356675

Let me post this here too, didn't see the new thread. I hope she does another host club stream and remind everyone that she can be cool.

Honestly think it's very smart of her to play into the failed ikemen comedy routine she has going on but I hope she also continues trying to show that she can be cool fr. The glimpses we get makes the whole act better (and it's amazing fanservice tbh).

Not sure what the ratio of male to female viewers she has is but hoping she continues trying to attract female fans.

No. 356684

I clicked on Dokibird's collab stream with U-san and wtf U's voice is actually really nice. Why did she have to be a mentally ill they/themmie…

No. 356685

>>356684
She's unfortunately menhera but a talented singer. And to her credit despite her problems, she knew enough to take a good step back and stream the amount she knows she can handle

No. 356692

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This expression activated something in me. Bettel ryona nonas I'm joining you guys

No. 356703

>>356692
They hit jackpot hiring his mama for Bettel. I didn't like the outfits for the other two but this one made me appreciate his mama so much. Everything about it looks so good, his new hair shows off how beautiful his face is even though he looks more deranged now. I'm glad he got such a nice design as somewhat of a gift for his success. A lot of toggles and so much movement, I love everything about this. Lucky Bettel, lucky mama, both are winning by having each other.

No. 356711

I love the new threadpic! Homecooked tastes so good!

No. 356712

>>356692
When he has his hair slicked back it somehow makes his face look 100x more squeezable. I want to pinch his cheeks so hard they come off and then eat them.
Senzaki mama cooks so well… IDK how I feel about the new Bettellion design, though. Not a fan. IMO Flayon still has the best in Stars.

No. 356713

>>356703
Agree, Flayon's was conceptually alright but really oddly drawn (what's with the box shaped coat?) and as much as I want to like Hakka's, I'm in the camp of "it's way too similar to his base outfit from a distance".

No. 356731

>>356692
His mama and him knew exactly what they were doing with this outfit, prime ryona visuals chef kiss

No. 356771

>>356675
I need Mel back so they can do one of these again. I love the acting they did for this stream, here's hoping Ao-kun does more because it was delightful.
I've also been enjoying her recent streams of that bad mascot horror game (Poppy's Playtime?), especially the one she did with Kanade. Having her commenting on things in the background is also very comfy.

No. 356915

Help me nonnas… all my oshi's have either graduated (Nina), been terminated (Selen) or their reputation is now in shambles because of their own stupidity (Ike). I'm tired of corporations, are there any indie vtubers that aren't sex-obsessed freaks? Any prince-style female vtubers who have female-oriented streams? I am begging on my knees.

No. 356918

>>356915
I wouldn't say she's prince-like but Kunai is pretty female oriented. There's a frequent joke that she has 5 males in her chat. It feels like hanging out with a friend, her chat is slow and she interacts with viewers a lot, has regular zatsus. Maria has a lot of projects and covers if that's what you'd like. I guess she's more princess style lol

No. 356925

>>356918
I really appreciate the recommendations, but I want to avoid corpos. I don't wanna get jebaited into loving a liver for a 4th time only for them to fall apart.

No. 356963

>>356915
I feel like if it was easy to find a good english speaking prince style female indie vtuber I would've already seen her mentioned or pointed out somewhere already, so there's probably not much to do except browsing around. On twitter there's an account called shindigs that highlights vtubers who have more focus on being creative with something in their presentation, seem to be not be coomer-y (mostly?), and are more art or 3d focused. But I wouldn't know if there are actually any gems in terms of personality somewhere in there

No. 356984

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>>356915
Let us know if you find one that isn't affiliated with a corpo because same.
I'm sad because I liked Niji KR's Oh Jiyu but because of stupid corpo stuff (the merger) she mostly streams in JP now and I can't understand her anymore.

No. 356985

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I watch Bettel 50% for the ryona and 50% because I think Phantom is the cutest creature in Holo.

No. 356997

>>356985
Phantom's the one controlling Bettel like ratatouille when he's being funny so it's already half your oshi

No. 357016

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>>356997
Is it ethical to promote Gavis Bettel Ryona when the "Gavis Bettel" we direct these violent feelings to is actually a dog? Does it amount to animal abuse? Discuss.

No. 357053

I watched the EnBoy's 3D debuts + their collab with the JPs boys, and I wish I gave them a chance. I hate moids, and would probably still not watch any of their streams but they were so fun to watch, and I felt good emotions towards them.
Watch Mori

No. 357055

>>356985
>>357016
so you guys are like the fluffy pony freaks who get off to fictional small animal abuse?

No. 357061

>>357055
I wish nothing but the best for Phantom even if I think it's funny when Gavis Bettel cries.

No. 357062

>>357061
My tummy feels funny when Gavis Bettel cries and makes pain noises…

No. 357103

I'm curious, what vtubers do fellow nonnies watch for ASMR content? I don't usually like such uwu loli voices, but Patra's ASMR is weirdly good for me to fall asleep to and her gaming streams are generally pretty relaxed.

No. 357106

>>357103
Noel has my personal favorite voice in holoJP, it's very fortunate that ASMR is kind of her niche.
>I don't usually like such uwu loli voices
Patra has ones where she doesn't talk, if the voices aren't part of the appeal to you. I used to watch those from her because I similarly don't like the nasally loli voice, not outside of her goofy character songs at least.

No. 357121

>>357016
Yes, because Phantom’s in on it.

No. 357219

>>357103
The only vtuber whose voice I've enjoyed for ASMR is Aragami Oga. His voice just generally works well for putting me to sleep, though. I've even had his menshi for ASMR content despite not watching his streams overall lol.
I wish I liked my kamioshi's ASMR since it's allegedly her specialty but… she's REALLY not good at it… IYKYK

No. 357330

I've been listening to Ao-kun's ASMR (menshi only) and even there she's lowkey trolling. I do enjoy it though.

Speaking of, she keeps doing really weird streams like why did she play a game picking out rice grains?? She's such a weirdo but it's surprisingly endearing… She makes me question my taste in women fr…

No. 357374

>>357330
The rice grain game was a FOTM game for a while. Same with the ramen oil picking game if youve seen it.

No. 357639

Just listened to this cover for the first time. I love Korone already but her deeper voice has me feeling things.

No. 357874

>>357639
Is that really her? Her deeper voice sounds amazing!

No. 357968

I always avoided her since she seems kind of cringey but holy fuck her singing and dancing is amazing!

No. 358212

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Dumb question that I can't find the answer for: When an indie reincarnates as a corporate chuuba, do they contractually have to retire their indie persona, or could they still stream as their "original" self if they really wanted to? I've noticed that those who were fleshtubers beforehand still stream as themselves on occasion even while being a corporate chuuba on the side but those who specifically had a VTuber identity always graduated before joining the agency.
It makes enough sense that it'd just be too difficult for most people to juggle the streaming schedules and kayfabe for two personas at once, but I've never seen any of them call it a break or indefinite hiatus or something. Then again, I've only bothered looking into PLs of the relatively small amount of chuubas that I'm a fan of, so I might just be uninformed.
>>357874
I read secondhand that she wanted to do all the vocals for this song on her own (it's usually a duet) and she's the only one credited in the description, so it seems like it! She's full of surprises, I never would've expected that range from her. All her past lives used the typical Korone voice so I got gaslit into believing that was just her natural voice kek. The deeper voice may not fit the Korone character but I do wish there was some way I could hear her use it more…

No. 358246

>>358212
Iirc for Niji they want exclusivity over someone's voice during their time in the company, so that's why they don't do anything on their PL accounts involving streaming or videos but can tweet or post other things on social media. Anyone under Cover is allowed to stream on their RM as voice only, or as a normal flesh streamer, or use a png/fugi avatar on screen after 6 months of being under the company, but they're not allowed to stream with a fully moving model. Different companies besides those probably have their own different individual sets of rules. But yeah as you can imagine it looks tough finding time to try to do well in two different accounts consistently and most only use a past account occasionally. I think Temma in Holostars juggles a lot of time between his Stars job and his voice-only account because of something related to fighter game teams and competitions.

No. 358525

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Are you ready for Ao-kun's birthday, nonas?

No. 358552

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>>358525
I'm never ready for how our girlfriend makes me feel, but I hope she has a wonderful birthday full of love from her fans and friends!

No. 358799

Ao-kun said she's releasing an ASMR voicepack (afternoon tea date with hime-chan which I assume means she's treating the listener as a princess?). I need this yesterday.

No. 358820

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>>358799
Hime is her female fan name so it's truly for just women…
>Hime/princess is her female fans
>picrel is her male fans
>makes asmr date voicepack just for the princesses
How much more obvious can she make her intentions

No. 358825

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>>358820
Unfortunately, she did make one for both… But her birthday set is so nice, I kind of want to get either the keyholder nui or the matching necklace/choker set.
Also, I love that she calls us 火女 to call us her princesses while moids just get to be the funny mask. I'm eating this shit up helplessly, god.

No. 358832

>>358825
Okay who here's gonna buy both to compare the treatment because I hope she does what they did with Cinnabar in PTN where she treats the MC like a bro while she treats the FemC like her crush. Please Ao-kun I believe in you ❤️(emoji)

No. 358839

>>358799
>>358825
Does anyone know of anyone making translations for voice packs? I don't mind showing purchase proofs but I don't really know if anyone makes translations in Hololive fandoms

No. 358852

>>358839
Your best bet is probably to ask around in the member's specific fancord.

No. 358876

>>358825
The matching necklace set is SO tempting for yume purposes. I love good stealth merch.

No. 358887

>>358876
Exactly what I'm thinking, and I'm not even into jewellery, I just need to show the world that I'm yooming.

No. 358939

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>>358887
Get it! I just nabbed mine… Happy Yooming!

No. 359015

Nonnies, I'm here for vtuber recs. I enjoy watching Himemori Luna, I'm in awe how she can stay in character so much and her electone streams are so relaxing. But for my sanity I want to start watching someone else too (Ao-kun is already on my list). Preferably someone who play their character well and consistently. Languages: en or jp, if there is someone you can rec with easy to understand es or ger that'd be ok too.

No. 359068

New Mori cover. Fuck is it ever good!

No. 359082

>>359015
I think becoming a Koronesuki is usually the first rec for questionz like this, although you're already into Holo so maybe you have a reason you don't watch her?
Doppio and Salome from Niji are also character-heavy but I don't find them as engaging to watch as Korone and Ao.

No. 359196

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Taking a break from my usual Bettel Ryonaposting to put out some positive energy for the clown. I want him back I miss him and am willing to put down my sadism for a moment if it means he cones back full force.

No. 359197

>>356915
I would say Rin Penrose for the prince style, but idk if she's Prince like, despite her lore. She's not indie, but idol has only terminated one person, so…

No. 359213

>>359197
You could not pay me to support Idol Corp given current events

No. 359265

Bae birthday concert was amazing, she's a fantastic dancer.
I don't know about you nonnies, but I really love idols and watching girls singing and dancing they warm my heart.

No. 359268

>>359213
What events? I missed it.

No. 359288

>>359268
Idol Corp is the Israeli Vtuber organization, so I'm guessing the whole Palestine thing. Personally I watch vtubers for the lack of politics, but to each their own I guess.

No. 359298

>>359268
I think they are referring to the idol girl who was offering irl meetings (sex) and doing benzos on stream.

No. 359330

39:20 Love that he's aware both he and Jurard are for ryona

No. 359450

>>359288
Interesting, I'm the same as you, where I'd rather avoid any politics in vtubers. Which is why I don't watch Idol– supporting an Israeli company is too political for me.

No. 359522

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Nonnies, I'm gushing out. I hope it's an EP. I would also love this frame without the date for my pc or something.

No. 359545

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>>359522
Same nonnies make fun of her music but I love seeing her make the music she likes and I like most of her music too

No. 359571

My oshi is now doing react content and expressed she wants to get lewder. No, I won't say who she is since she's a low 3view indie.
It's over for me. I loved her dearly while it lasted…

No. 359575

>>359545
Not into her music personally but I love seeing her on the grind and having fun doing what she loves, and that's enough. People are just haters.

No. 360309

New Mori song.
As much as I love Mori, I am liking the direction she's taking her music in.

No. 360315

>>359450
Most people are of the belief that judging a company based on where they're from IS being political. Being politics free is what we usually do where we don't care where the company is from beyond understanding the laws that need to be followed.

No. 360477

>>360315
What is this "we"? Speak for yourself and only for yourself.

No. 360505

>>359268
I'm >>359288 and I agree with your opinion. Though I still don't really like Idol. Something about the CEO dating/having dated one of the first talents that debuted gives me an icky feeling.

No. 360506

>>359571
>she's a low 3view indie
You did this to yourself nonna

No. 360507

>>359298
You mean riro Ron? Aka kyoresu who drank her urine and took benzos?? And slept with her talent manager for favours? if I recall one of their other talents also did the pill shit and tried to play up the loli persona which bit her in the ass when her moid fans went schizo as usual (who woulda thought) yuko I think.besides the company being Israeli it seems its a shitty company overall hiring the most deranged pickmes out there I like rin penrose though sad she got stuck in a company with these schizoids

No. 360560

I think the IdolCorp conversation is starting to become one better suited for the drama thread.
Anyways, I'm here to brag/apologize to the other Ao yumes that I had a dream where our girlfriend was flirting with me.

No. 361127

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Fulgur's new model. The way he talked about it I really thought it was going to be an old bara man. This is just an uglier face with a beard that he can take off. Is it even larger? He said he added the taking off beard feature because he knows not many like it so I guess he does care what his audience wants. I don't like to admit it but it fits his voice. I still don't want the males not being able to pretend to be young handsome men to be a trend though.

No. 361134

>>361127
I feel bad for LAM with both of her high-profile sons asking for such ugly "upgrades".

No. 361142

>>361127
Why are westoid men so insecure

No. 361147

>>361127
Actually disgusting, these type of models should be banned

No. 361200

>>361127
Sorry nonnies, I have bad taste and I actually prefer this to his old model.
Forgive me for my sins.

No. 361210

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>>361200
Aruran was my oshi for years, so I don't have an issue with models outside of the usual mold. But I think the way Fulgur's facial hair was drawn looks terrible LOL it looks like he's poorly glued loose hair scraps onto his face.

No. 361211

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>>361127
Poorly yassified Silvers Rayleigh…

No. 361216

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POV you’re getting marriedd

No. 361224

My oshi has completely changed his content in the past few months and now he spams the kind of content that alienates most of his core fanbase and appeals to a way different audience, so I'm kinda sad about it. I used to be able to enjoy his streams daily and took them for granted but nowadays those 'regular' streams of his have become way rarer. I know the simple solution here would be to just watch the streams I like and ignore the ones that I don't, but the fact that he spends so much time on something so many of his fans don't like just takes away from my enjoyment of any of his content in general.
This is probably confusing (and schizo) if you don't know who I'm talking about, but I just wanted to vent a little bit.

No. 361264

>>361127
I don't have any issue myself with the concept of an "older and somewhat rugged" type as long as it isn't super big muscular but the execution of it feels off to me compared to what it could have been. The facial hair looks so cobbled together and the smooth shininess in the art style fits his younger cyborg thing but not this general concept so much. I think LAM has had consistently stronger results when going heavier on stylization for a model but what Fulgur wanted was something that had to lean away from that

No. 361266

>>361224
I'm curious who this is about anon
>>361264
Despite the anatomical mistakes LAM's artstyle is very pretty and the original models' faces where she/he had the most freedom look amazing. Changing your style to fit these requests better is hard especially when you have to make it suitable for rigging. Hope she/he gets to design a female vtuber next.

No. 361326

>>361266
It's about Kanae, he has always streamed a lot and now most of that time goes to playing on a Japanese GTA RP server that's open for 12 hours a day every day. This post would get too long if I brought up every single issue it has but it basically allows any small streamer (over 10k followers) on it and those naturally end up being clout chasers, and when you mix it with the fact that it has strict RP it means that anything is allowed because "it's just RP". As you may expect, things get very messy and it's hard to watch with a peace of mind. The fanbase and community built around it are toxic and annoying, a lot of them look down on vtuber fans or any kind of a fan that cares for the streamer past the character they're RPing.
Admittedly it's not just him, this content has become popular and a lot of vtubers (and regular streamers as well) have gotten wrapped up in it and every single time their original fanbase ends up being filtered and replaced by a tourist fanbase that only cares for this specific content and nothing else they do.

No. 361331

>>360560
How does it feel to be the second luckiest aokn yume on earth?
>>361127
Fucking kek, the glasses covering the eyebrows and the massive (but still flat) nose in contrast with the very distinctly visible nostrils make his face look so blank and flat. On top of that, the poor attempt at a beard and the Sephiroth hairstyle are killing me. This is easily the most devastating downgrade I've seen in a while. This is like backwards Aruran.

No. 361367

>>361326
I understand you anon, my side oshi got into that exact content before and I was worried I'd have to watch him rp with randoms all day. Thankfully it didn't stick and he had a few actually funny streams before he stopped streaming it. It's sad to hear that Kanae is wasting time on that stuff when his fans don't care for it. I guess when you're so big you stop caring about it, what a shame.

No. 361402

>>361367
I don't completely blame him because initially it was just something casual he wanted to do with his friends after VCR, but with time they became relevant to the overall story and it became hard to quit (he has tried to multiple times and got pulled back in every time). He does recognize it as a clear issue, which is why he tries to do other content as well and essentially doesn't bring it up whenever he streams on Youtube (his streams of that server and anything related to it are strictly 100% on Twitch). Even with his content being more balanced lately I think after all these months I've gotten a bit detached and it probably won't get better until he completely drops it.
Glad to hear your side oshi got out of it safely, I can find most content fun as long as it's my oshi doing it but there is simply nothing enjoyable about this to me. I just feel like I'm crazy sometimes because there's nothing but positivity when you look at what people have to say about it on Twitter, but I guess vtuber fans tend to be like that.

No. 361758

>>361402
I think the negativity goes on anonymous boards and private Discords. You have to remember that must vtuber fans don't complain. They just leave.

No. 361759

>>361216
Thank you for being my wing woman, nonna. Wish me luck in my marriage!

No. 362136

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New Niji JP wave. They have a separate twitter account and animated MV, so they have plans for another wave with lots of promotions.

No. 362137

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>>362136
Here's the models, I like that the purple one has a different style. It might look odd moving though.

No. 362142

>>362136
Question for the Niji JP nonnas, has anybody super notable popped up post-Eden besides Salome? I fell off keeping up with newbies around then.

No. 362150

hi nonnas. i'm a corpo vtuber for a small company. idk if anyone here is actively trying to become a vtuber themselves, but if you are, i'm willing to answer questions you might have about it without giving too much information that would lead to knowing my identity.
i would say that my experiences haven't been the greatest overall. it makes me depressed seeing bigger corpos like nijisanji having seemingly worse issues. i've realized that hololive truly is the golden ticket in this industry. i don't even know what other companies haven't had…issues

No. 362151

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>>362150
>I've realized that hololive truly is the golden ticket in this industry
>forgets rushia and the countless management issues hololive has including a manager forcing a liver to date him
>the Taiwan incident where they pushed the livers under the tank
kek but anyways how was the interview process for you nonna? And considering the current contract discourse how's your own been faring so far?dont tell anything that's under nda

No. 362178

>>362151
Holo has a relatively decent track record compared to other corpos? I think Mafumafu is a lying piece of shit but her termination was valid by contract given the way she broke NDA leading up to it. Mel's issues with her manager shouldn't have happened, but they occurred early in Holo's lifespan and were apparently resolved given how long she decided to stay at Holo afterwards until her amicable departure despite NDA break. And in the Taiwan incident Holo literally cut off its entire Chinese branch, that's not "throwing them under the bus". All very different than the active and ongoing issues with other agencies.
Also
>livers
try to be less transparent when you spread your biased misinformation. Your sour grapes aren't everybody else's issue.

No. 362180

>>362178
Why did you decide to start vtubing? Is the money even worth it? How many times are you contractually obligated to fake-laugh during a stream?

No. 362182

>>362151
so, i say this because being a hololive talent is guaranteed success and money. being in a small corpo, you are not guaranteed that at all. in fact, i could've made more working minimum wage KEK. it's pretty depressing…
interviewing process was pretty easy, i interviewed at a different corpo prior to my current one. the previous one was a lot more stressful. the 2nd one, it seemed like i didn't really have to…try very hard, because they were sold on me from the get-go it seemed like.
the contract is quite predatory. it favors the company heavily yet has very strict demands for what talents must do. it's 50/50 profit split besides merch, which the corpo gets more of the money from that (it's not 2% though KEK)
>>362180
i'm not >>362178
but the money isn't really…anything. at least yet, for me. hopefully i'll get there eventually. you're not obligated to fake-laugh at all kek. but we do have to stream a certain amount of times per week as per the contract. but the amount of leniency the corpo gets in terms of what they have to do is honestly disturbing. i wasn't able to get a lawyer to review it before i signed it, i wish i had. i decided to start vtubing because i'd always wanted to be a streamer but was nervous about being on camera, so vtubing was the easy choice.

No. 362184

>>362182
> you're not obligated to fake-laugh at all kek. but we do have to stream a certain amount of times per week as per the contract. but the amount of leniency the corpo gets in terms of what they have to do is honestly disturbing. i wasn't able to get a lawyer to review it before i signed it, i wish i had. i decided to start vtubing because i'd always wanted to be a streamer but was nervous about being on camera, so vtubing was the easy choice.
I’m sorry you’re roped into a shitty contract. I hope there’s a chance you’ll be able to renew it on your terms or get with another company. I’ve thought about being a vtuber for those same reasons. Vtuber models just cost a lot of money to make.

No. 362208

>>362182
Are you allowed/is it possible to work a day job? Do any of your coworkers work day jobs?

No. 362210

>>362142
I don't know much myself but Watari Hibari is the most popular member of Voltaction, which is like ROF-MAO's younger brother group I guess. They have decent amount of group 3d content and music focus which brought up a fanbase that has strong loyalty to the group as a whole

No. 362213

>>362208
you're allowed to, yeah. but you can't do anything that would even come close to vtubing. that includes doing art, voice acting, etc. anything you did in your "past life" to make money online, you cannot do while under the contract.
but working a normie tier "day job" is fine. a few of my coworkers do that. i am not as i'm still a student, but i've considered it because i'm so lacking in income. i'm lucky that i don't have too many expenses atm due to my circumstances but it's definitely not enough to live on in the US or probably any other western country, it's pretty fucked. probably because i don't lean into any type of nsfw/lewdness at all whatsoever which makes people feel less incentivized to donate. though i'll never waver on my morals for scrotes kek.

No. 362326

Anyone else find it hard to get super invested in (western) vtubers because they're always graduating left and right? I was looking at my old Pomu merch while moving houses and I really hate that trend of joining a big company, then leaving after a short time to be independent or join Vshojo. At least with Japanese vtubers, they get criticised if they graduate and return after too short of a time. And I don't really get the sappy feelings and superchats if someone's just gonna go back to their PL immediately, it's like people forget what "graduation" means for idols (I don't mind going back but at least give it a while instead of taking advantage of your fame).

No. 362336

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>>362326
Hard agree. That's also why Niji EN lost the feeling of a group of friends I want to see grow for me, I don't know if the people that join want to build anything or just flee with numbers. JP has a lot of fun and creative people in it for the long run and it makes me envy people that can understand Japanese well. I like watching their clips and seeing that they have a genuine unique bond with their community and with each other. The fact both Mysta and Kyo had new models ready, which takes months to prepare, right after their "graduation" irritates me so much. Especially Mysta with his month long sob party drying Luxiem fans' wallets. I guess this is the western solo mindset. I admire the vtubers that have been around for 6+ years, then again they built this industry so they were already ambitious people. On the other side I like the bond Tempus seem to have now that the two that weren't fit are out. Vanguard also signed for another year so we know they're still taking it seriously.

No. 362341

>>362326
Yeah, I know idol culture gets shat on but this is why I only oshi Holos who seem committed to it, both male and female.

No. 362361

>>362150
Hi Vtuber nonna! I have a few questions!
Are there specific rules as to who you may talk to?
Is there any girl in your corpo that is making bank?
Are you been helped by managers? What do they do, actually?
Have you seen people talk about you on imageboards? How did it make you feel if so?

No. 362481

>>362361
hi nonna!
1. yes, i can't interact with male vtubers. honestly glad bc i don't want to be forced to interact with them lol. but i also have been forbade from interacting with some vtubers (female) that i really want to interact with bc i like their content and think they're funny. but i'm at the mercy of management, if they say no, i'm not allowed to acknowledge their existence. it sucks.
2. probably. i don't know the exact amounts my senpais make but they're surely comfortable. no one really stands out against everyone else though in terms of how much they make.
3. lol. this is funny because up until recently my managers have done fuck all. recently new management came in and are helping alot more. but management helps with things like brainstorming for ideas for streams/videos/shorts. they also pay for things like video editing, art, etc. before recently they mostly only helped when things were specifically asked for, which made me really depressed bc it sucks having to do everything yourself. obviously. if you have more specific questions lmk.
5. no they have not. no one has any idea i post on imageboards and i intend to keep it that way kek. i got exposed to 4chan at a really young age and found lolcow like, the year it was created thanks to /r9k/ iirc. i was never much of a poster, i lurked and occasionally posted when things caught my interest but i was never like, an imageboard personality of any sort. i just enjoy the board culture, probably because i started reading 4chan when i was 12 years old, kek. it definitely fried my brain but i try and look at the positives, i wouldn't have found out about so many things that have changed my life if not for 4chan. like the games i play, shows i love, friends i've met, etc. so i sort of feel like it both damaged my brain and changed my life irreversibly. i wouldn't change it for anything.

No. 362597

>>362481
1. What are the general reasons you can't interact with certain female vtubers? Is it that certain indies are not permitted because they clash with brand/are too small or are certain other small corpos not allowed?
2. And would you say you'd still prefer being at a corpo over being an indie? Or rather, what would you recommend as the best use case for joining a small corpo as opposed to staying indie?
3. I don't expect you to answer this one as it may be too specific, but do you have any small corpos you know from behind the scenes to be ones absolutely nobody should apply for? I'm considering doing auditions and I'm worried I'll join one secretly on the verge of collapse kek
4. Do most of your peers have prior streaming experience, or were any allowed in as newbies?
Thanks for answering all these questions, it's been interesting to read all the responses so far.

No. 362685

>>362597
1. due to certain vtubers "controversies" we aren't allowed to interact with them. they've said/done things that are questionable. but it was things i didn't even know about prior to joining, so finding out i couldn't interact with certain people was definitely a buzzkill. as for indies, i've not explicitly been told i can't interact with indies. i've not had much experience around indies to be honest.
2. i still prefer it over being indie because i made literally nothing as an indie. like, i basically made $80 every few months or so as an indie. so the money i make now is considerably better, but it's still not a livable wage, and much, much more goes into being a corpo vtuber than an indie, at least for me. i mostly was an indie vtuber as a hobby rather than trying to make a career out of it. twitch was brutal for growth and i had no idea how to market myself.
3. lol the only one i would really say is vreverie, which isn't really insider info, it's just obvious lol. you could have guessed this just from looking at how everyone except their biggest talent and one other person have not left yet. they're still planning on debuting their gen 3 which is surprising. i feel bad for nova. i don't know about other corpos though. i would definitely not recommend anyone join nijisanji though.
4. all of my peers even if they weren't vtubers/streamers prior were proficient in something: singing, art, etc. most of them were small indies/streamers but there's a few that had never actually been a vtuber/streamer before, but they were really talented and charismatic so they were given a spot. i do think having any amount of streaming experience would make you more likely to get in. it probably just depends on the corpo more than anything. plus thinking about like, what the corpo is looking for. like oftentimes they already have designs created and are looking for someone to fit into a certain design, so they want a specific type of voice or personality. so even if you don't get in you should always keep applying because they'll remember you and see you get more experienced and improve as you continue to make content, whatever it may be.

np nonna, it's fun to answer these lol. if you have any more questions lmk.

No. 362689

>>362685
NTA but have you heard of any tips for making it to the interview stage with holo? or any patterns of what they're looking for?

No. 362694

>>362689
stand out (lol ik this is like crazy advice but the people i know who have gotten into auditions definitely "stand out"), good voice/accent, singer. loving idol culture is probably one of the biggest ones. the people i know who have gotten into holo auditions are pretty into kayfabe and have dreams of doing the things that hololive talents do, like 3d lives and concerts. i never got into holo auditions but i know people who have so i don't really know too much. just thinking about the people i know who have gotten into holo auditions, some pretty far, and those are things that separate them from other vtubers imo.

No. 362697

>>362694
tyvm nonna! My auditions get good views every time but never moved onto next phase. For the people who made it far, do they have ideas on they didn't get in?

No. 362702

>>362697
i know someone that actually told holo she didn't want to join yet because she wanted to grow and improve a bit more. she got very far in the audition process. which genuinely shocked me considering holo is literally the best place for a vtuber to possibly go lol. the others i'm not sure, maybe i can ask.

No. 362708

>>362702
That's crazy wow. Another question I have is how do you deal with your scrote fans? I can't imagine a farmer humoring them without snapping at some point kek

No. 362711

>>362708
clearly stating my boundaries has gone a long way. sometimes there are idiots still but i have let my mods know to show no mercy kek. i have cultivated a pretty respectful fanbase because of this, people are much less likely to say things that cross my boundaries because i won't tolerate it. though i know a lot of vtubers struggle to do this, but for me it's like, i'm not really making that much money anyway so i might as well make sure i actually like the people in my community kek

No. 362816

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Suisei got a new outfit and it's making me feel things.

No. 362819

>>362816
Holy shit, way to go for the skill. Suisei wa kyou mo… kakkoi…?

No. 362869

>>362702
Do you know what goes into an auditon video? Everytime I look one up for reference it's always
>highly edited video
>their funniest clips
>a slight introduction
>filled with memes and popular twitter references
Is there a standard for audition videos, or do we just go in blind and look like an idiot for 10 minutes?

No. 362904

>>362869
so i know some people go above and beyond for their audition videos. i used to do like, heavily scripted audition videos where i ended up sounding super nervous and not even speaking in my normal voice tone. the audition that got me into my corpo, i was sleep deprived and sent it on a whim- did a few stupid edits in the windows Photos app but nothing that would actually qualify it as "edited" kek. i just talked about myself and started with a bang, talking about what i think makes me stand apart from other vtubers, and this ended up working in my favor. it really depends on what you're good at. are you really good at singing? video editing? art? video games? chat interaction? whatever it is, you should tell them right away, within the first 30 seconds. that's really the most important part, the rest is just fluff. i wouldn't say that filling it with memes/popular twitter references is going to get you very far, you just sound like another vtweeter indie that way. what makes you, you? show them quickly and grab their attention. at the end my auditions i typically included at least 1-2 clips from my channel that i thought were pretty funny. cause like, say in your audition you claim to be good at bouncing off of chat. well, you want to show them that, right? so, include clips that you think show this off. definitely don't make the clips take up more than like, 1:00-1:30 though. i think audition videos are usually around 5 minutes long.
things i like to talk about in my auditions are:
1. (most important) what am i good at? what sets me apart from other vtubers?
2. why do i want to join a corpo, especially this specific corpo? what do they offer to me, and what do i offer to them? (i mentioned wanting to make female friends and wanting to see big ideas i have come to life)
3. substantiating my claims to question 1, prove to them what you mention at the start. i showed screenshots and proof of what i'm good at.
4. having a sense of humor is good, i did that too, but like- not really in a meme way. just my own humor lol, adding stuff i thought looked goofy and saying things the way i'd speak to a friend- because think about it. they want to see how you're going to be as a streamer. so, imagine you're streaming when you make the video, that's another good piece of advice i could give.

godspeed nonna! if you really want to get in i believe you can. i struggled hard trying to get into a corpo and failed many previous auditions, i tried for over a year. i was so happy to have finally made it. if it's really what you want, never give up!

No. 362929

Do any of you vtuber nonnas ITT do it off of a laptop? I have the funds for a PC but no reason to buy one unless I actually enjoy streaming a lot, and I don't want to put the cart before the horse by getting a PC built just for something I haven't tried committing hours to yet.

No. 362938

>>362929
I stream off a gaming laptop, it works fine for me. My friend also streams off her poor computer. It really depends on how strong your laptop is, how good your wi-fi is, and what games you want to play/what you intend to stream.

No. 362982

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>>362137
I don't listen to any JP vtubers because of language barrier but Kaisei's design caught my eye immediately, since I'm partial to anime characters who look like they enjoy scheming for money. I also like Gamma's (Holostars) design so their model artist is 2 for 2 for me. At this point in time I kinda wonder what other active JP Niji vtubers think these days when yet another new wave comes in though, now more than ever before compared to how the landscape was 2 years or so ago. Except for the top ones who already know they're firmly and securely established.

No. 362991

>>362982
It's crazy, you could watch a handful of Niji livers for a year and never know that an oshi perfectly suited for your taste is somewhere else in the same JP branch because they just have so many at this point that many will never cross paths.

No. 363087

>>362991
Niji JP just works in a different way compared to Holo for example, it's not expected of you to follow literally every member. But there are a lot of branch-wide events and collabs so even by having a few oshis you actively follow you'll eventually get to see members you didn't originally pay attention to.

No. 363089

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Every year Holofest puts into perspective how big and far away they are compared to other corpos or even scattered factions. I have seen the discussion being thrown around before, do you think there is a difference between liking vtubers and liking Hololive? They are so massive, but they barely if ever interact with anyone else nowadays. Seeing "vtuber awards" in the west all past year ignoring Hololive is… interesting.

Anyway, I was just thinking about that as I wait for my soup to be done. Did anyone went to Holofest? It seems so much fun, though, the food is way too expensive for what it looks like!

No. 363130

>>361127
Oh hell nah. He looks like a middle- to late-aged redditor.
>>362150
May I ask a ballpark range of how many subs/followers you had before applying? It's okay if this is too dox-y!

No. 363138

>>363130
hi nonna! what i will say was i had significantly LESS than 1k twitch followers. i averaged like 10-20 viewers. i was a nobody. that's why i feel very lucky to be in the position i am in despite not making a lot of money right now. hoping that can change in the future as i grow.

No. 363309

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Predictable but still cute that he brought his brother to Japan with him.

No. 363974

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My oshi has knocked off yet something else from her bucketlist, she has made an ending for an anime.
Congrats Mori.

No. 364092

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I think it's great that Pomu went from posting nudes on 4chan to being a well-respected vtuber, to back to school now. I'm being 100% unironic when I say this. I never closely followed her but it seems like she's had some really nice growth out of a cringe and troubled past.

No. 364147

>>364092
she did what? that’s crazy, she didn’t give me 4chan thot vibes at all. Glad she quit and is now doing better. I do miss her presence in nijien though.

No. 364244

>>364092
I think I've said this here before but I think it's unironically nice and wholesome that some of these old lolcows like Kiara, Pomu, FWMC, etc. have finally found what is probably the only occupation where being a maladjusted weeaboo who wants to become Japanese/an anime girl is not just fine but actually a good trait to have.

No. 364280

>>364147
Seems like we are keeping this thread fairly drama free, so I won't bring up the past too much, but she has more info on the dox website everyone uses and a page on here from a few years ago.
Seems like she didn't do anything insanely milky, just being a white weeb with a japan aidoru dream in the 2010s. A few months ago, someone dug up her old nudes and they were getting reposted all over 4chan, and she had to go on streaming like nothing happened. Honestly I found it admirable.
>>364244
I'll never be a FWMC fan because the kayfabe is just too far for me but Kiara and Pomu seem nice. It's nice seeing cow good endings sometimes.

No. 364320

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Bunch of Ao-yumes from Holofest. Surprised there hasn't been discussion about the event around here. It was a lot of fun.

No. 364325

>>364092
I respect that she seems to have actually gone back to school instead of lying about her reasons for graduating and where she's going and then immediately reincarnating like a lot of others have done. When a vtuber says they're going to be gone soul searching or some shit for a year after graduating and then does the opposite of that it makes it obvious they don't value their fans and will just say whatever to milk cash.

No. 364328

>>364325
I also feel annoyed these days that 'graduation' could mean anything from 'I'm never touching the internet again' to 'I'm going to stream on my old persona 2 hours later.'
I guess on the flipside, though, if someone's leaving a corporation because it's toxic or they're sick of management, what can they say in the graduation stream? 'Niji's a shithole, I'll see you guys in one week'? Can't say that'd go down well.
btw please I don't want to dredge up the niji drama again, I'm just giving an example since a lot of people seem to be jumping from the niji ship recently. Niji stans don't come for me

No. 364425

>>364320
honestly i didn't have the cash for it this year so i avoided it on purpose, otherwise i'd get severe fomo kek. but i'm glad people enjoyed it.

No. 364803

>>362326
It's hard to get attached to the character, but personally I like the personality, so idc. They'll do what makes sense for them financially. Though I admit that the new names take getting used to.
You can't get attached to a company. The people are fine after you look up pl stuff.
In jp, they're supposed to allow themselves to be overworked to the point of karoshi, so graduating is usually better. It's like someone switching jobs. The arguments about poaching and betraying friends are weird. It's the company that decides you can't collab with talents after going indie. Or do certain things using their model. All hardwork at the company will disappear anyways, so you gotta work hard to build your own thing.

No. 364853

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Axel got his first new outfit, he looks pretty nice imo. He said it took so long because he insisted on getting it done by his art mama, he was warned that she is very busy but Axel really wanted her to do it. Cute

No. 364874

>>364853
Aw lol he looks like he came from the same game as Izuru or something. Kitty and puppy.

No. 364994

New Ao cover! After holofes, I'm excited for when ReGloss their 3Ds. And Advent too. I know FWMC has mixed reactions here but they seem like they'll be good performers on stage.
>>364092
Although I miss her as Pomu, it is nice to see her living her best life right now. It's nice to see her tweet fangirly stuff about her hobbies.

No. 365059

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>host
>ikemen
>ikevoice
>looks are yume material
>personality is yume material
>height: 173cm
Why do they do this? They can be anything they want, why did they make him short?

No. 365355

>>364994
She sounds amazing with this type of voice

No. 365485

>>365059
Because at the end of the day, she's a girl. No matter how manly the voice, the Asian height debuff remains. Can't have her be too perfect.

No. 365487

>>364328
Agree to disagree in the graduation bit. I like the reassurance that they can come back. I was never too attached to the models anyways. (Except Selen — I wanted to chomp that fluff. But Doki's new model has its own charm.)
The only tough part is getting used to the new name and wondering if/when. I wanna know if Mika will come back.
Most people aren't gonna give up corpo fame after putting years into a persona. But in case they do, it's nice to know where to find them on other socials.

No. 365492

>>362326
The reason jp chuubas don't graduate left and right is because in Japan, BOTH the company and the employee (including contractor, afaik) need to agree for them to be able to leave. So, once you get in, you're stuck. (Source: Joey aka TheAnimeMan did an interview with a former underground idol who worked with Kiara. Both parties entered the contract together so they need to agree to leave. And she mentioned they owned the image for 3 years after she left. As in, she was contacted by a further manager to remove a picture of herself under her old name from social media.)
Thus, JP talent looks a lot more together cz there's a lot more control. There's a general teamwork mentality, yes, but the inability of a lot of people to just leave also plays a role in the whole thing. Plus, most viewers only get clips, so we're don't get full cultural context to some things. It's like going looking for pl: you don't have to, but no one will stop you if you go looking for whenever bs JP talents got themselves into. And there's supposedly a lot, but I heard that on nyfco so take it with a grain of salt. I think one dude confessed to Sakura Dating. We get the filtered version via clips. Most clippers won't tell you about their oshi's need with another Vtuber OR their indiscretions. There's financial loss if they've been allowed to monetize it. There's attachment towards a chuuba. And there's some actual people who will brush off the issues to preserve harmony. If there's cliques or fighting, the clippers will avoid covering that. And everyone is cordial, even if there not besties. It's like a class full of children being forced to work together. Or rather, an office. Sorry if I popped your bubble. I hope you go into it knowing what's up and why.
BTW, Mirei Gundou re-debuted.

No. 365498

>>365485
Are you saying fuwa minato is a tif or did you mistake him for aokun

No. 365569

>>365498
I thought that was Ao-kun. I also thought he was Hex Haywire for a second.
But the party about no one being perfect still stands. If you wanna send any clips of him, I'm interested.
What made you simp and do you have something you show us?

No. 365926

Biboo is growing on me more with every clip

No. 366960

I'm an indie. I stg if another indie with a female avatar reaches out to me, there's a 25%+ chance it's a TIM. Either blatantly male voice, or blatantly male but pitched up.

No. 367032

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I like her new outfit

No. 367374

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>>365485
>>365498
Kekkk
>>367032
Me too, she and Fauna are so cute together. They look like those weird girls in school who only had each other as friends.

No. 367933

Who is best in HoloEN if you want an oshi who motivates you to work hard? I want somebody who is active, streams regularly, and pushes herself a lot to achieve new goals.
FWMC? Calli? Bae? Or somebody else I don't know about?

No. 367942


No. 368405

are there any vtubers anyone here can recommend that arent scrotes or massive pickme's? they can be any language.

No. 368406

>>367933
Kiara, FWMC, and maybe Cali (though she makes stupid fuck ups every once in a while. But that girl works hard)

No. 368411

>>368405
This question is asked all the time so earlier threads can help but I'd like to shill Kunai this time, she has cozy streams that turn into zatsus most of the time and she's mature but has a sense of humor. She also has slow chat and interacts with comments all the time. She's practicing for the MarioKart thing right now.

No. 368660

I love Haachama

No. 369178

>>368406
>aren't massive pickmes
>FWMC
Anon…

No. 369280

No one really talked about April Fools pranks but this was my favorite.
>Kenmochi hates ROFMAO being considered an idol
>the other three cover IDOL with serious production
>special thanks: Kenmochi Toya
>in the end if ROFMAO without Kenmochi are only idols as a prank, that means only Kenmochi is really an idol

No. 369308

>>369178
Well she was replying to >>367933
who asked which vtubers work hard (not if they're pickmes) which, like them or not, isn't a lie.

Personally I used to love Ame for that reason, the way she always had creative ideas and organized the 3D collabs, how she took singing lessons and improved as an idol… but I feel like she's burnt out atm

No. 369320

>>369308
What do they do that makes you believe they work hard?

No. 369399

>>369308
Oh yeah, my bad, I thought they were replying to >>368405 who mentioned not being pickmes.

>>369320
Ntayrt. I don't vibe with Fuwamoco for many reasons that have already been debated on this thread. (And tbh, I still think they are trying to sound ESL. A ton of fans think they're Japanese or mixed Canadian-Japanese, which is 100% false. They are white.) But I will admit that they seem like they try to stream a lot and come out with new content, and they're really devoted to their schtick, as much as I dislike said schtick.
Inb4 'they just really like and respect Japanese culture' - imo you can like Japanese and speak fluent Japanese without pretending to be ESL. Everyone knows Kiara is German yet super interested in Japanese culture.

No. 369427

>>369399
I still don't get where the assertion that they pretend to be ESL comes from. Yes, they talk like retarded hawawawa moe girls. But they don't talk in broken English and are open about the fact that they're JSL.

No. 369473

>>369280
That one was my favourite too. It's kinda boring and lazy how at this point genderbends are the default joke for April Fools, subtler pranks like this one are better.

No. 369653

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yesterday surefour did an "official" vtuber stream with his model. i don't like the design…

No. 369656

>>369653
I thought it was really cute until I saw it's supposed to be a dude lol.

No. 369696

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>>369653
Cyber Inosuke

No. 369704

>>369280
Kenmochi doesn't like the idol tag? Til. You got a clip for that, anon?
And does that mean they were all parking Kenmochi?

No. 369789

>>369656
yeah like as an androgynous girl i love it, but as an androgynous male i couldn't care less

No. 370348

>>369704
There's another clip where the others do idol-like poses and he chases them down again. Unrelated but it's so funny when they look at Kaida and his model is tall but it's obvious they're all looking down at him kek
>>369473
Same, I also loved when Hibari covered 嘘 (joke/lie) for last year's April Fools. Holostars' "new debuts" with the weird models were funny too. That's the type of thing that makes you remember it for a long time. Genderbend especially without any proper preparation is just unfunny.

No. 370432

>>370348
>Unrelated but it's so funny when they look at Kaida and his model is tall but it's obvious they're all looking down at him kek
Kek ngl I used to be a big kaida fan until i saw his PL and it took the wind outta my sails. Lesson learned. Dude is patheticute though

No. 370841

>>370432
What about his pl? I can't find much.

No. 371100

>>370841
Just seeing his appearance. I'm sure he's a fine guy.

No. 371993

Kenji got doxxed and apparently there was a hate gc for him .

No. 372038

Bit niche but can anyone recommend german vtubers? Not german vtubers who speak in English but actually stream in German often. I'm trying to learn German and I find that streams help a lot.

No. 372316

Any active chuubas in this thread? I’m out of ideas for what kind of content to post on Twitter to promote myself. I’m a cozy streamer & gacha gamer.

No. 372485

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I don't think I've ever had such a hard time looking at the face of a vtuber model this expensive. I can't tell if she's supposed to look scrunched up all the time or if this it's an issue with the tracking.
(Chuuba is Vshojo's new Michi Mochievee AKA Mika Melatika)
The character design is also just kind of shit? Too much going on for my tastes.

No. 372614

>>372485
The creeping rabbit bow is very hideous. I don't know why we need another revived zombie vtuber, I thought that was Kuro's thing even though Kuro honestly gives no shits about kayfabe. I highly doubt Mika will play it up for very long either, vshojo itself is the epitome of streamers that barely bother to play into their model characters.

The lore video is nothing but one big shitpost and a very transparent cry for money. Mika can't even voice act, her mic peaks multiple times from being too loud.

No. 372635

>>372614
I thought vshojo's appeal was supppsed to be the amount of support they give their talents? Why couldn't she get this proofread, it's so ESL

No. 372644

>>372635
Vshojo's appeal is that they don't do anything for their "talents". They don't intervene or help. Just the Vshojo name and an email address sponsorships will contact (if they get any, even Mysta is not getting any now)

No. 372647

>>372644
I mean, the former Nijis talk constantly about how much Vshojo does for them compared to Niji, so I think there is the expectation that they provide support when requested.

No. 372657

>>372485
It kinda looks like she keep squiting her eyes so definitely something wrong with the tracking. Also agreed this model is such a downgrade from her past one

No. 372695

>>372657
She probably has the vtuber studio settings set up incorrectly: when her irl eyes are open 100%/neutrally, the model eyes are probably only open 50% or something.
Kind of weird rookie mistake.

No. 372854

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It's so damn ugly, looks exactly like one of those webtoon male leads kek. Jesus. Is 2024 the year of bad designs or what?

No. 372858

>>372854
>chest hair
Why do entubers completely miss the point of being 2d

No. 372860

>>372854
he looks like a middle-aged samurai

No. 372881

>>372854
Why are men triggered so hard by being bishounen?

No. 372901

>>372854
This artist just refuses to add collarbones. It was criticized last time, why not add it this time? Also hate how whimpy skinny white men keep living out their bara dreams instead of sticking to being good looking young males when voicing that is the definition of their job. I'd rather he go back to jerking off on stream than look like a middle aged saggy unkempt smelly souls like protagonist. The company pays for their models too, I feel like my tax money is wasted on useless shit because my donations to my oshi is funding this sacrilege.

No. 372968

>>372854
You're kidding me, this is real? The facial hair looks like a child drew it on with sharpie while he was sleeping, it's even worse than Fulgur's. They need to stop asking their poor mama for this shit.
I'm not against designs outside the standard bishonen box but it's not what their mama does well and I feel bad for her that she has to keep putting this shit out.

No. 372998

>>372854
KEK the pinhead, ugly man psyop at it again
>sekiro wannabe
>not a single scar
Fag

No. 373033

File: 1713841817647.jpg (598.79 KB, 3196x2400, 1713827193368909.jpg)

>>372854
dollar store vesper and an asian stereotype…kindred and comfydants really going through it rn

No. 373053

File: 1713849551525.jpg (165.89 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg)

>>373033
Honestly? Dollar store Shinri. Nijimen want to be Holo's quality male hags so bad

No. 373065

>>373053
His art is hideous but at least the style is consistent and intentional. Though I dislike having one connected lore as a gen/wave because it limits what they can do with it, it makes the designs make sense at least. You can look at Tempus and tell what each design is supposed to be.

No. 373078

>>372854
men are so fucking insecure KEK

No. 373128

PSA. Nyfco is down. Should explain a lot.

No. 373137

>>373128
Explain what? Nyfcoians wouldn't criticize a bara loving faggot

No. 373218

File: 1713901224866.png (2.06 MB, 1896x1074, huntsmanroute.png)

>>373065
Some of them have done great stuff with the connected lore, and I think it's an interesting project that lends a sense of unity as they contribute to it. They've allowed them to work more with it ever since Armis debuted, too, with Shinri being allowed to delve into worldbuilding more.
Also I used to be such a hater on Shinri'a art but getting a shirt made such a difference for him kek no wonder he wanted it so badly. I want to see him get his VN design as an official outfit though, he got the best design out of thay affair.

No. 373220

>>373128
Should explain what? We always shit on Vox here kek

No. 373227

>>373218
Yeah I noticed how all their designs/lore translated to the ones in the VN. I enjoyed that project, I wish they would do more stuff like that but I'm not sure it was profitable.

No. 373244

>>373220
It's explaining the current up posts on this thread, especially the "drama" type.

No. 373412

>>373244
>negative reactions to chuubas are drama
Go away.

No. 374644

File: 1714334729043.png (126.43 KB, 300x400, Ayaseyuuportrait.png)

The one good Phase design/voice duo IMO (ayase yuu from their newish JP debuts)

No. 374684

>>372038
I personally enjoy her content, Nonna.

No. 375068

File: 1714487828196.gif (373.23 KB, 340x555, 1714460041949768.gif)

I'm a vtuber and I'm lucky to have 15-30 CCV these days. Yet I can't help but feel like if I had started 2 or 3 years earlier, I'd be doing so much better. Seems like a few years ago even random no-name vtubers would debut to 100+ CCV. Good luck with that now…

>>372316
Buy some cheap Skebs maybe? You can get nice artwork for like $5-15 USD in some cases. It's useful to promote yourself with!

>>374644
Honestly I like Pico Gram's design, but I'm a sucker for cute things. It kind of reminds me of vocaloid designs from the 2000s. But I don't understand a lick of japanese so I won't be watching.

No. 375905

>>357639
Looks like she utilized the deeper voice again a few times in her cover of Show!
Not my favorite cover overall, but the MV is really cool.

No. 376133

File: 1714722795860.png (416.45 KB, 1080x1920, 1714687214390448.png)

KEK

No. 376138

>>376133
this doesn't even look that bad, only the legs are too long. but they're vtubers so who's gonna look at their legs anyway.

No. 376139

>>376133
It feels wrong to see Shu without 1208467 details lol but it suits him. There are animu body proportions like the legs and hands but it's a nice chill concept with good-ish art. People that were into proper vtuber culture before applying don't end up becoming ugly baras, no wonder Niji requires streaming experience now.

No. 376142

>>376139
AYRT honestly it would have benefitted him to get something more normal like this earlier although I wasn't as big a hater of his 2nd outfit as some were.
It does remind me comically of Rosemi's 3rd outfit which also had scary long legs. Would attach picrel but I can't find one kek scrubbed

No. 376242

>>376142
Is it this outfit? The legs are a little odd-looking, but I like the outfit. It reminds me of otome game protagonists in a good/nostalgic way.

No. 376413

File: 1714792488318.jpg (191.22 KB, 1080x1246, Screenshot_20240503_201358_Fir…)

He really works so hard to make the ryona worth it.

No. 376453

>>376413
What's this from?

No. 376487


No. 376496

I was never into vtubers unless a YouTuber I already watched got an avatar later. I find this one a little annoying but she is extremely relatable. The way she talks about men makes me feel no longer like a female eunuch. The problem is that I think most of her audience demographic is male, I feel like I might be the only female viewer out of a given stream. The chat talks down upon her, not in a joking way, but in a condescending way, especially when she’s playing a game for the first time. Her outfits and model are more modest, but the other vtubers she invites on stream wear the standard coomer outfits and have twitter art proportions. I can’t watch something with an ugly moe face and balloon tits, even if the conversations they’re having are funny. Am I the only normal person watching her?

No. 376508

>>376496
most of any vtubers demographic are male (unless the vtuber is an actual male). this is just a reality of the hobby.
Bao mainly got popular due to coombaiting so thats what shes mainly gonna pander to sorry to say

No. 376516

>>375068
well hopefully you can still aim for big name corpos with those numbers if youre serious about vtubing. dunno how the standards are for girls applying to hololive but many of the guys that applied for Tempus/Armis were 2views like you

No. 376920

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>>376496
it does seem like Bao is mostly picrel from what I have seen but her squeeing in that video is so relatable that it made me love her

No. 377047

Not going to bump her thread, however I never realised how she's a decent singer. I'm not sure why she butchers it with whatever she does when she makes her vtuber activity songs.
Although this song is very forgetful, her singing isn't

No. 377052

>>376496
>The problem is that I think most of her audience demographic is male
women aren't into watching sexualized child-like cartoon girls make autistic sex jokes i think

No. 377057

File: 1715025462663.webp (Spoiler Image,67.23 KB, 1000x577, Bao_2.0__Princess__Reference_S…)

>>376496
>female eunuch
>normal female
>" I can’t watch something with an ugly moe face and balloon tits"
if i recall correctly bao panders heavily to her coomer audience so much so she made a inflation model for a "joke".

No. 377110

>>377047
the music video is a blackpink rip off isn’t it

No. 377119

>>377047
Her general Kiara voice is an intentional filter at this point, she's said herself that she doesn't want fans who would suddenly start loving her just because she has a different voice. I agree that it's bizarre to maintain that even in her music though, especially when she's expressed a serious intent to succeed on the musical side of being an idol. Plenty of other Holos with strong kayfab or otherwise unconventional speaking voices drop that when they sing.

No. 377535

>>376920
Saved picrel kek

No. 378135

>>377110
More like Avril Lavigne or Lizzie McGuire. Black pink has only been around since 2016.

No. 378458

Anyone here that has gone through the interview stage for a corpo? What kind of questions do they ask?

No. 380548

File: 1715521761988.png (1.3 MB, 1172x1204, Screen Shot 2024-05-12 at 10.4…)

Ao-kun is friends with Nijisanji's Meloco? Does anybody here know more about this? https://x.com/MelocoKyoran/status/1788539932094631955

No. 380689

>>380548
They've streamed together a lot before? Why is this a surprise?

No. 380973

File: 1715583379547.jpg (1.54 MB, 2712x4320, 1847188491.jpg)

Sex. Between this, Suisei's mosy recent outfit, and Ao-kun's general existence, I gotta say… Blue women know how to catch my eye. Hope Kronii enjoys this one too since I know her PL prefers androgyny.
Now that they've all gotten their new outfits, my ranking for them is Kronii>Bae>>>Mumei=Fauna.

No. 381159

>>380973
Sex indeed. Thank god for androgynous/more masculine-leaning chuubas.

No. 381684

>>380548
They worked together at Aruran's pizza shop in the second VCR GTA server and they've continued to interact frequently since then

No. 383352

File: 1715999668912.jpg (257.83 KB, 1393x760, 184728747282.jpg)

His bday illustration is him getting sexily electrocuted by a toaster in the bathtub. He and senzaki mama truly know whats what

No. 383444

>>383352
What's with his fingers being dark? Is there corruption lore?

No. 383731

>>383444
No idea about the lore details, but it's a feature of his 2nd outfit. Flayon is the only one in VG without a fucked up hand now kek

No. 383866

File: 1716098731675.jpg (134.4 KB, 1200x675, hjOjtfa.jpg)

>>383731
Iirc his fans are corruption beasts or something so he might be the most fucked up one leading corruption despite not having it himself lol

No. 383872

Don't even watch this guy but I think it's a shame his covers don't do better numbers, because he's cracked. Really nice to see EN Holostars get a strong singer out the gate with Octavio + I think idol vtubing is made for people like him who have talents that wouldn't get a spotlight otherwise.
Nearing their 6 months anni I gotta say that this was a really strong round of recruits. I wonder if Stars will ever properly take off.

No. 384005

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Aster's new outfit. This would be such a good female design with no coomer elements. He also dropped an animation that's surprisingly very well made and I guess there will be more.
>>383872
He's my favourite Star.
>I wonder if Stars will ever properly take off
Every time they debut a new gen (counting VG as a gen) I think this is it, they will retain their numbers this time but it never happens. They make good money (probably) but the peak time to join EN corpos has passed. Even Luxiem gets 1k ccv nowadays meanwhile Niji's popular male JPs get at least 20k ccv into the morning hours JP time. Now that the world isn't shut in, it's hard to get a live audience that can watch you in very different time zones compared to JP's one timezone (though they still watch their anime men play lol for the seventh time that week at 3am - I don't know what gives them the dedication). I would still like to see a new debut that can bring back some excitement and have a large audience

No. 384187

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>>384005
Crazy how much this guy rubs people the wrong way while also being insanely boring
Also mogged by maid Aza

No. 384664

>>383872
it's amazing how many covers and music content that he's been able to put out in such a short amount of time

No. 384876

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Seeing Twisty's design, I 100% believe now the rumours that Grimmi graduated to join Niji and then reneged on that when hell broke loose. Will be interesting to see the quality level of these new debuts after the scramble to recast at least one.
Gonna enjoy Doppio and Vanta's commentary regardless. They're cute together.

No. 384877

>>384664
Yeah, dude really ha been waiting so long for an opportunity like this and it shows. I wish him the best.

No. 384934

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>>384876
NijiEN have found themselves another gem

No. 384943

>>384934
you can tell he's fat and a groomer from those ss alone

No. 384946


No. 384983

File: 1716300007925.png (1.08 MB, 913x688, rs8iwk.png)

>>384943
Not that fat I guess but… yikes

No. 384999

File: 1716301275829.jpg (21.76 KB, 480x360, cumsoom.jpg)

>>384983
He looks like a young Yanderedev kek, tragic.

No. 385029

>>384934
Seeing this and his oshi narks, seems like its Hex Haywire's modus operandi all over again.

No. 385030

>>384983
Men that have mainstream movies posters on their walls trigger a flight or fight response in me.

No. 385053

>>384934
>>385029
Wilson also used to make this type of videos but he's not even doing any bfe anymore afaik. And there are no men in his wave to yaoibait with so he might act normal. I'm interested in the woman that doesn't speak like a child though. One of the few times I hope a vtuber doesn't play into their lore/design and jump straight to chatting normally. Kunai did that but she's nowhere to be seen lately (?)

No. 385126

File: 1716313656837.jpg (143.03 KB, 850x1202, 8f8839031805c4c1.jpg)

>>385053
Kunai always sounds really great when she gets shilled to me but she's so painfully boring in actual streams.

No. 386290

File: 1716641084036.png (290.82 KB, 597x390, 'pettanko loli'.png)

>>384876
Cool. Why do lolicons spam those Dorontabi "ToT" memes if they don't want people to think that they're pedophiles? Considering what that guy has posted >>>/ot/1783813

No. 386564

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>>386290
I skimmed through their debuts and didn't even notice this. JP and 4channers might not care but referring to an actual pedophile is gonna end your career in EN in a week once a twitter user picks it up. I guess she's going for Holo's fanbase more for some reason.

Niji's latest recruits are so uninspired tbh. Ever since they added the "must have streaming experience" thing because Yugo waited till debut day to learn, most people who specialize in other areas don't seem to apply. Or the recruiters don't pay attention to them. As boring as some of them became after years of streaming, the first few waves especially Luxiem benefited greatly from being new to the scene, they brought along ideas and topics most vtubers don't bother about. For at least a year everyone's personalities were showcased better in streams. Now Kunai hasn't streamed in weeks without any explanation and her other two teammates don't really have any goals or ideas to bring to life. Krisis have some fun factor with "the boys" vibe in collabs but their individual streams are also boring with uninspired jokes and topics and few funny or interesting stories. The newest debuts have literally nothing of interest. The maid expressed the wish to become a better singer and I like that she put herself out there and hope she continues bringing some inspiration to Niji. I don't know if it's just me who's bored, but I just don't see a reason to stay in the newer waves' streams. It was different even when the school kids came around, they weren't as groundbreaking as Luxnoc in terms of impact but all of them had some kind of charm that would make you want to keep watching the stream. Do NijiJP fans feel the same for JP?

No. 386832

File: 1716780039328.jpg (263.34 KB, 1200x675, GOjOh5TbEAA0j5g.jpg)

3D ANNOUNCED FOR VG!! I can't wait, I'm so excited!

No. 386846

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This was the hardest I'd laughed in ages holy shit… Sasuga clown you were truly built for ryona

No. 386847

>>386832
They dropped the announcement right as he beat Fuyoman the hype timing was too immaculate

No. 386853

>>386832
I hope they make Flayon walk on all fours and meow. Also Bettel might die on stream

No. 387495

>>386846
I can't believe I saw so many people get genuinely angry over Bettel having his title "stolen", I thought it was the perfect outcome for Bettel lol. Also can't wait to see what he pulls in 3D, it's definitely the showcase I'm most excited for even though I'm also looking forward to see Hakka perform in 3D.

No. 388413

File: 1717299454781.jpg (47.64 KB, 1024x576, 1717299133457727m.jpg)

Tying him down to a table and bisecting him. And then making him strip down to do exercise reps. Kino.

No. 388418

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>>388413
picrel was hilarious kek. The entire live was an absolute blast from start to finish, I didn't even realize that an hour had passed.

No. 388434

>>388418
The jester was born to entertain and he proved it once again tonight.

No. 388814

File: 1717449220601.jpg (117.47 KB, 1100x637, GPCPkvZWEAAcIVF.jpg)

NGL sort of resentful towards the nijidiscourse for ruining the activity in this thread.
Marginally related– now that it's not a "hot topic" and the other thread is reaching thread limit, is it fine to bring up whatever as long as it's vtuber related in this thread again?

No. 389402

I love this song, it's so girl pop. Catchy, fun, cheeky and for some reason makes scrotes seethe, kek.

Marine always delivers, the only original I don't care about it's Shinkiro. It feels weird with the loli yuri baiting and I found it boring. Just your average city pop song.

No. 390722

File: 1717905699051.jpg (490.3 KB, 750x728, mg1Lc88.jpg)

Flayon's model is super cute in 3d. When he smiles his eyes close and it looks adorable. I can forget that the man behind has a tall and wide build and pretend he's a twink.
>adorable mascot with funny facial expressions
>gets on his knees and talks to it like a pet
>mecha anime cutscene
>multiple singing sections
>bridal carries Bettel in and makes him suffer (lol)
>ends with punching his audience
Nice stream overall

No. 390747

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>>390722
He's so cute. Honestly I think his design looks better in 3D than it did in 2D? Also gonna come clean used to be a hater but I've been sold on him in recent months. Dude is living his own way and I gotta respect it, besides I think he's one of the StarsEN boys who most plays up sells the appeal of his character.
Seeing him manhandle Bettel in both of their 3D streams has been so kino.
Seeing Temma mog him in a physical competition was scary though kek I had no idea the knight was a gymbro.

No. 390831

File: 1717955964355.gif (10.97 MB, 787x541, flay1.gif)

>>390722
His little prance during Aishite was really cute. also him carrying Bettel like a princess was funny as fuck kek

No. 391023

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Holy fucking kino, I haven't listened to Hakka's singing and I'm blown away by his range in this live. He always had the raw potential for this and it's incredible to see him closing in on it.
I know their access to resources is far more limited but I wonder if we'll get to see performances on the level of Astel and Izuru's in time from this branch. Octavio's definitely got the potential to provide it too.

Shame I don't think HoloEN overall really has talents close to being all rounders in entertainment/gaming/music/dancing the same way JP does though.

No. 391025

File: 1717993219440.jpg (95.15 KB, 1024x576, 1717991891666914m.jpg)

Wtf why is his siggy so cute

No. 391034

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Were Kiara's jiggle physics always this horrendous? Her boobs have left all pretense of being flesh in this outfit, it's not even jellolike. They look like half filled sacks of water.

No. 391047

>>391023
Didn't Holo announce they had a building in US? Does that mean they have a 3d studio too or is that too expensive
>>390831
Cute. I agree with >>390747 that he plays the charms of his model well

No. 391067

>>391047
Yeah they opened a US base of operations but that was more for the sake of facilitating business deals for things such as merch, I don't think there's a 3D studio there.
Wouldn't help a lot of the members anyways… Hakka and Octavio for exmaple both have better ease of access to JP than US. Kinda fucked that it's like that for Hakka considering Japan is on a other continent but that's America for you kek

No. 391102

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Looking for vtubers that just look smug(namefagging)

No. 391174

>>391102
Dookie

No. 391220

>>391034
God, her latest outfits are horrendous. This one being the worst offender.

No. 391223

>>391034
Nope.
Her past three outfits were all drawn by different artists and her original rigger 'Keffiy' (one of the best) also stopped rigging her outfits. She doesn't even know who did her latest rigging and its clearly someone inexperienced. The breasts are not even connected to the armpits.

No. 391231

File: 1718054739333.jpg (81.47 KB, 1000x1000, GPqWwO-akAA1dIx.jpg)

>>391223
They also move like they're fused together it's so uncanny. This isn't even a matter of it being coomery, I can appreciate the skill that goes into rigging some hornyass models even if I don't like it, but this? It just looks bad.
Nothing more sobering than seeing moids slobber over this in hordes, though. Saw some guys calling dissenters jealous hags and had to laugh because the only breasts that move as floppily as hers IRL are breasts that have deflated from severe weight loss or age.
It's shame because the outfit is honestly cute from the waist up (might be my favorite Kiara hair after her New Year's twintails).

No. 391871

File: 1718224181818.webp (283.65 KB, 780x585, IMG_7539.webp)

What is this model base(namefagging)

No. 391876

>>391871
my new oshi, milkers-kun

No. 391882


No. 392173

>>391871
I'd be terrified if I met a man with nipples that large, wtf

No. 392703


No. 392707

>>392173
Ngl, I would watch if that's a girl. Men use female models all the time, so it'd be nice to see a woman using a bara model

No. 392772

>>356915
Marikyuun is the best! Just an artist with comfy drawing streams, I imagine her fanbase has a 50/50 split if not majority female. There’s also @lucas_vtuber on Twitter who is some digital fashion model(?) who also makes music, and @OnstaMonsta (who I found via @Shindags on Twitter) who I haven’t watched yet but I doubt panders to the weirdo coomer males considering the fact they’re black.
I’d suggest Rin Penrose for “prince-ly female VTers” if Idol wasn’t an Israeli corporation orz..(glad this thread made me aware)

No. 392780

>>392707
vtuber shit will suck until women completely take over and use oversexualized male avatars

No. 393081

>Hololive avoids Holostars so hard they had to get 2 ex-nijis in VG's group 3d live instead
Our situation is dire

No. 393122

File: 1718640171369.gif (339.22 KB, 276x320, houshou-marine-unison.gif)

>>389402
I like this song too anon, super catchy, and the little dance they do during the chorus is so cute!
>>388814
Personally I'm happy to talk about vtubers in any capacity, whether it's gushing over our favorites, or complaining about other non-Niji things (I assume the Selen thing has been beaten to death and seems like Dokibird herself is ready to move on.)
I'm a vtuber myself who's been doing it for a few months, and pretty happy with my growth. If any anons need question answered or advice, I'll try to answer. It's nice supporting other anons in their journeys.

No. 393413

Looks like a new gen, but the timing feels foolishly suboptimal considering that Advent's 1 year anni is in a month and their 3D is also dropping soon.

No. 393428

>>393413
I hope the one with the violin (or viola?) actually plays the violin. Another vtuber, Uruka from Phase Connect, has done some violin streams and I enjoyed them.

No. 393519

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>>393413
People are saying it's supposed to be Euros. The names have been leaked. Was hoping for a non-posh named Brit but whatever

No. 393523

>>393519
Worst round of names from a gen IMO but I'm excited to see what we get. I'm guessing Yuniiho is in if it really is a new gen.

No. 393561

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>>393523
A big vtuber named Soyapoya recently graduated, and she apparently can play violin. She might be the violinist.

No. 393564

>>393561
Design wise
>Neutral
>Love
>Neat for the fire bit. Neutral to the rest
>Halloween Baelz

No. 393565

>>393561
they designs keep becoming uglier and uglier

No. 393585

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>>393561
Their actual models look a lot more tolerable, thank god. Anyway I hope that soyapoya person isn't the doll because after going through her twitter it seems she's friends with that one tranny who pretends to be a little girl. hopefully none of that tripe carries over to her hololive persona too much but I'm already doubtful.

No. 393588

>>393561
Ehhh not crazy about any of these aside from green girl but I'll reserve my opinion for after i see them in their artist's styles since that can make a big difference.
>>393585
Lily hopkins is a troon? Did not know that kek

No. 393595

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>>393561
This is such a downgrade from Yuniiho's original design… She looks like hoyoslop now

No. 393643

>it's an ESL gen
Why??

No. 393647

>>393643
Underserved timeslot that fans have been asking to get filled since way back when Myth debuted. IDK if it'll actually helo though, Yuniiho for example is Italian but lives in Japan

No. 393693

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Thoughts?
Green is really cute, I like her wind up hair bow.
Middle two aren't for me. Not a fan of loli and the pink cat does look like hoyoverse.
The red one is actually pretty cute imo. I feel like there's not that many red vtubers, surprisingly.

No. 393694

>>393693
I dislike them. They're so Mihoyo esque. The doll concept is cool though. Just, I can't get behind busy ass designs.

No. 393712

>>393693
They look like pokemons in a bad way
>>393643
I don't mind ESLs as an esl who can't watch at burger hours but they better be actual English speakers lol no more Melokos

No. 393727

>>393693
Really not a fan, the first time I've felt that way about an entire Holo generation from any branch. I'll be looking forward to their first non-NY outfits and hoping they switch over heavily to using those instead.

No. 393740

>>393693
Mediocre designs.
I am italian and I dislike Yuniiho's voice and personality, what makes it worse is she was/is Merryweather girlfriend. (Not because she has a bf but because it's Merryfuckingweather)

No. 393745

>>393740
Kek I just found out about this and it's put me off of her, too. Having a Nigel is whatever but dating Merryweather constitutes a character flaw.

No. 393746

>>393693
I like red's design a little but every time there's a vtuber with this sort of "cool girl" design, her actual personality is a total disappointment and you're expected to cope with gap moe at best.

No. 393748

>>393746
cough cough Shiori
This is why I wish they would select the girls before making the designs. I know they have some input on their designs, but it's just too awkward watching a social awkward NEET streamer trying to force themselves to match their design by acting tomboyish/gothic/whatever.

No. 393765

>>393748
Lol the way Shiori is a little strange and cringe is fine with her design imo. Thinking more of Kronii and Nerissa.

No. 393780

>looking up person who's supposedly voicing pink cat (Yuniiho)
>barking every 2 seconds
Say it ain't so, I can't handle another fuwamoco…

No. 393797

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https://x.com/montyvocals
Allegedly ERB. Would be the first married HoloEN that we know of if true.

No. 393798

>>393797
Personally won't be watching because I genuinely don't want to watch a bihet yuribaiting like she's already doing on twitter kek

No. 393809

>>393797
What is ERB?

No. 393810

>>393809
Elizabeth Rose Bloodflame

No. 394144

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Yea I'm oshi-ing I don't care if she ends up being cringe. That fucking "stop" from Ernoul made me holler kekkk unicorns are so pathetic.

No. 394148

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>>394144
samefag, here's one more that's equally as funny. I'd love to screenshot it all but there's too much seething kek.

No. 394161

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>>394144
>>394148
I decided to oshi after she responded to mpreg art of Jurard. Can't fake it that's queen shit.

No. 394169

>>394144
>>394148
>>394161
Thank you anons for sharing these cause I would have ignored the wave completely if I didn't know there was an incel repellant

No. 394172

>>394169
I really hope people do turn out and watch her.

No. 394352

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Well damn, maybe I gotta support her, too. There's no way she's unaware of the backlash, right?

No. 394391

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Anyone watching the debuts tonight??

No. 394392

ERB's voice is uh… she owns me already KEK

No. 394393

>>394391
I am! Any VOD nonnies considering watching the debuts later are in for a treat, ERB's such a good VA and singer already.

No. 394394

>>394392
Cute ojou laugh, really nice singing, and tbh I liked the somewhat cringe intro video. It gave me 2000s donut steal original OC vibes but in a good way.

No. 394395

>>394394
Same, she's a confirmed hag so I hope that energy generally carries through her future stuff.

No. 394396

>enter Jurard and Octavio's watchalong
>see Gibby is there too
>leave and open the Advent watchalong instead

No. 394397

Uh oh spaghetti o, she mentioned Holostars. Looking forward to the 4chan meltdown.
I can see why they started the debuts off with her tho!

No. 394398

>>394397
They've been having melties all week already haha

No. 394399

A third song!! I love her!

No. 394403

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>Sing with ALL of Holo
SHOTS FIRED… WTF THIS WHOLE PAGE… I kneel.

No. 394404

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This is so bold kek, I gotta hand it to her. I think she actually has talent in spades to combat any debuffs that come from this too.

No. 394405

>>394403
IFKR right after a full page drawing of Flayon and saying she won't tolerate bullying too.

No. 394406

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Erb is on an anti-4chan crusade. She is the girls' girl streamer.

No. 394407

>>394406
>4 songs
>cover on debut
>minimal scuff
>actual fan of Holo
Any criticism is just going to look like retarded nitpicking, my new oshi is too good.

No. 394409

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Thoughts? She had a cool opening animation, but so far, she's not for me. These days, I feel like corpo vtubers with these 'quirky' designs are doomed to put up a 'haha I'm so random and crazy eks dee' personality for a few months before dropping it. Wondering somewhat why she was selected, does she have cracked art skills?

No. 394411

>>394409
I think her debut format was innovative and the opening animation was intriguing, but I was just really bored throughout the stream in spite of it? I'm similarly curious, that would be an interesting move if true considering there's already an artist in the gen who has been advertised as the artist of the gen.

No. 394412

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>>394409
Looked into it, she's @hampwn on twitter, an artist/streamer. I'm thinking she's probably the personality hire since her art is cute but not a "we have to have her" sort of deal. Picrel is an example of her art.

No. 394415

warning: actual ear rape in this video
My impression of Gigi's debut
>really nice opening animation, seems to have some kind of plot but I didn't pay close enough attention
>bad crackly microphone
>refers to herself in the third person
>sense of humor seems to be ~quirky le random gremlin~ and high-pitched laughs
>does a DND segment with the chat where she does quirky things like bark at dogs on the street and leave the house with no shoes
>DND segment somehow drags on way too long
>she plays a minigame where she recorded horrible screams that play nonstop at max volume (timestamped)
Sorry if anyone liked her and this was harsh… This type of humor just feels overdone to me and isn't my kind of thing. Especially after ERB's debut with talented singing and voice acting.
Her past life is apparently Biscotti from V4Mirai and I'm just having a hard time seeing why she was selected. Seems like the other talents of the gen have strong art skills or vocal skills. Even if Gigi was chosen to be the zatsudan and variety master, I feel like there must be better picks?
This debut was somehow simultaneously overwhelming and boring to me at the same time. But maybe she will have an awesome development arc…?

No. 394416

>otonablue cover
i havent even watched her debut and know shes based…wtf

No. 394423

>>394415
She's definitely hampwn, not sure if she was also biscotti. I kinda get it since as hampwn she was moderately creative in creating her own assets and branding from what I can tell, and there's usually always one hire who was an experienced streamer so that might be her? I agree with you though, not super impressed.

No. 394424

I will say though, I really love the visual production value and assets she had, that had to have been a crazy expensive debut between the full animation, games, and this MV. I hope she becomes watchable.

No. 394429

>>394423
Biscotti and Hampwn are the same person, yeah.

No. 394430

PLs in summary:
>ERB = EileMonty
>Gigi Murin = hampwn / Biscotti of v4mirai
>Cecilia Immergreen = soyapoya
Raora Panthera = Yuniiho

No. 394434

>>394415
Am I the only one who only finds it amusing for people to do the 'age: REDACTED' thing if they're going for a hag angle? otherwise its giving 1000 yr old dragon loli and I hate it. That was the main thing that bugged me, though, and her voice was grating at first. I think the interactive dnd and game bits were creative but i do wish there was more time given to lore or likes and dislikes maybe.

No. 394440

>>394391
Her sword had a Welsh name! And she didn't butcher the pronunciation!

No. 394458

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I love my oshi so fucking much. I hope ERB goes super far, she deserves it.

No. 394469

>>394409
probably because she's already familiar with 3D live stuff and knows for a fact that she likes it

No. 394471

ERBs impressions were really good. She's got crazy control of her voice.

No. 394492

>>394434
Nah, I had the same impression of legal loli-ism from that.

No. 394494

/vt/ moids being unable to pull any real performance-based criticism of ERB aside from "mentioned moids" and her liked games while delicately trying to be as generous as possible with Gigi's debut is so funny lol. Nothing against Gigi but seeing ERB's subcount climb in a decent margin of lead is really proving unicorns for the retarded vocal minority that they are.

No. 394498

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Does anyone have any vocal training and can comment on ERB's singing?
I'm not trained at all but I thought it sounded really good, like professional-level. I'd like to hear her with slightly less growliness and vocal flourishes, but that might just be me.
But I don't really understand why a lot of 4chan acts like Gura is an amazing, top-tier singer? Gura's singing is cute and charming, but when I heard ERB's singing I was like, 'Wow, I could hear this voice being on the radio or Broadway.' Never got the same feeling from Gura.
Curious if anyone can say more about ERB and the rest of Hololive's singing without being blinded by muh male collaber ERB/muh cunny waifu Gura.

No. 394505

>>394498
Before Holo Gura had some songs go viral and did one for Belle Delphine so I think that's where the idea of her being talented comes from.

No. 394515

>>394498
I think there are a lot of good singers in Holo, but ERB is the first EN girl where I'm immediately swelt away by not only the quality of her singing but by her individual sound, if that makes sense? Nerissa and Irys are good but I don't necessarily find their singing as gripping to listen to. Gura is also good but IDK she's been really overhyped, I can see her specific sound being popular with people who are into moeshit though.
ERB being able to jump from cute to tender to classically powerful is insane though. I love her sm. Wish she'd release her schedule kek.

No. 394516

>>394494
Frankly comical seeing /vt/ chuds nitpick her dislike of bullies like "that's so stupid, everybody hates bullies". Not excluding myself from this because I'm on lolcow kek but gee I wonder who she could be talking about, retard.

No. 394605

Alright, who's gonna watch with me?

No. 394608

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>>394605
So far, my impression: She sounds a lot like Kiara, and the model is very cute. She seems talented, is doing a lot of creative segments in her debut, and seems like a good violinist.
Even so, I can't shake the feeling that she's a bit too 'safe' for me. Everything she says is very sanitized and mild, unlike Elizabeth who came out the gates swinging.
Maybe she'll show a little more of her personality a few weeks into debut. For now, I think she's a bit too plain for me, despite seeming very intelligent and talented. But I can imagine some anons here will enjoy her.

No. 394609

>>394605
Just got home and tuned in, will keep watching to the next one.

No. 394610

Imma be honest, I don't really like her voice. She sounds like an Italian smoker. But I will try to give her a fair chance.

No. 394612

I'm… I'm really bored

No. 394614

My impression of Raora:
>Very italian. Most people will probably be filtered by her voice, unfortunately.
>Nice and inoffensive, but none of her jokes have landed with me tbh
>Great art skills, at least what I've seen from her past life
>Stream's almost over, I don't know much about her other than that she's Italian and good at art

No. 394616

>>394614
She's hard to stay engaged in. I think her appeal will largely be drawing anime girl pinups and CGDCT, neither of which appeal to me unfortunately.
Wasm't crazy about Gigi but overall I think yesterday's duo was far stronger as entertainers.
The abuse of facezooming reminds me of Ruze. Neither positive or megative as a statement, just not something I see a ton.

No. 394617

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>>394614
And here's my overall schizo predictions that no one asked for:
>Elizabeth: I think she will lead the generation in subs, she will probably appeal to normies because of karaoke streams and the meme value of her bri'ish accent. 4chan will seethe over her for years to come.
>Gigi: Gives me Bae vibes. She will try to keep up the lol-so-random act for a while and be the runt of the generation, but eventually drop it and show a slightly more authentic personality. Might be the 'creatividad' of the generation and make unique collabs.
>Cecilia: If Elizabeth doesn't lead the generation in subs I think Cecilia will. Violin karaokes will be unique and draw people in. Plus, she will probably keep up a cute pure image, like Fauna, and draw in a solid fanbase of both unicorns and normal people who like cute girls.
>Raora: I feel like her and Gigi will be the runts. Unfortunately the accent will be hard to overcome for most. But she will certainly produce a lot of great hololive fanart. If she's continuing to work as an artist outside of this I could see it being an Ina or Sana situation, where she streams once or twice a week as a side hobby to her main work, and it's often an art stream.

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Final opinion on debuts:
I got really bored with the debuts after Elizabeth. Will give Elizabeth a good try and hope she's entertaining as a streamer since, as much as I think she's a good singer, I'm not really that into karaoke. Could see Gigi becoming someone I watch regularly, I agree that she seems capable of growing into the gen's la creatividad.
>>394617
Eh, IDK about Cecilia. The main reason Fauna has such a massive and consistent CCV is that she's actually an entertaining streamer and was the only one good at gaming until Biboo arrived.

No. 394620

>>394619
I really hope ERB will put effort into and grow comfortable with streaming. Afaik, she doesn't have any streaming experience?
Also curious if some tubers will distance themselves from ERB, to retain their 4chan unicorn fanbase. For example, I can imagine ERB's style won't mesh well with FWMC, and there will probably be a unicorn meltdown if they collab. Ofc, these days a lot of holos stick mainly to their own gen and rarely venture outside of it.
Raora's voice grew on me by the end of the stream, either that or she was talking more naturally. I could see myself putting on one of her art streams in the background. She does seem cheerful and energetic. But I can't see myself getting super attached to her.

No. 394622

>>394620
She has streaming experience! With the exception of regloss, holo no longer hires people without streaming experience afaik

No. 394623

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My wife… it's been too long (24 hours)

No. 394624

God all of these unit fan names suck so hard but if we get called justchads ill actually rope

No. 394625

ERB was still my favorite but Cece was pleasant as well. That said, I've never understood the appeal of the exaggerated jiggle physics some of these models have. It's too distracting and they move like water balloons as the streamer intentionally bounces around. Do people actuallly find this sexy?

No. 394626

>>394625
They evidently do. Just look at the response to Kiara's godawful new outfit rigging.

No. 394628

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I like all of them, just filtered a bit by Gigi's lolifagging but I love her creativity so I think I can get over it. I actually really like Raora's voice and accent, it's a huge plus for me. They were all so prepared for their debuts, how much effort they put into their skills and streaming shows.
Not trying to start a fight but as a ex nijifag, a huge one, these debuts really put the nail in the coffin for Niji for me. The quality difference between the latest debuts is huge. These women pulled through with a lot of unique ideas because they're skilled and willing to improve. Meanwhile I can't remember anything from Niji's latest debuts. Again not trying to start a fight but I'm really impressed by these debuts, it's like I remembered what I liked about vtubers. I'm really happy at their streaming hours as a eurofag.

No. 394643

>>394628
Lol you're fine nonna, nobody really shills Niji that I've seen here. And yeah, I made the shift from Niji to Holo about a year back because Holo happened to give me my first oshi, and I agree that "quality over quantity" is extremely palpable.
Who did you watch in Niji? Might be able to provide some recs.

No. 394660

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>>394643
I had phases of watching many of them but I used to watch Fulgur religiously. Both because he streams at EU friendly hours and because he's chill and doesn't overdo any of his bits. Also used to watch Maririn and Ike for the same reasons. (Don't know if Maririn counts as chill but I mean her energy levels are consistent throughout the stream) I fell out of watching niji/vtubers consistently months ago, maybe I'll have different preferences this time so I'm not averse to different recs as long as they don't scream or overplay bad jokes all the time.

No. 394668

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Anyone here feel like they've outgrown vtubers aside from their oshi? I've watched the new debuts from both hololive, stars and niji but I don't feel anything. I think a lot of the glamor has worn off and coexisting in a hobby made predominantly of the worst moids imaginable is starting to get under my skin. Fan culture, discourse, and herd mentality is impossible to ignore, especially if the vtuber encourages it or turns a boind eye. Maybe I'll finally become a normie.

No. 394670

>>394668
nothing wrong with only watching a few vtubers you enjoy. turn off chat, ignore comments and enjoy the stream

No. 394680

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>>394668
>Anyone here feel like they've outgrown vtubers aside from their oshi?
kinda especially after i got a chance to work with some of them and found out they're completely different behind the scenes although i do enjoy coming back and watching them after a while but i dont keep up on the regular like i used to plus the fandom gets worse and worse by the minute after vtfags were accepted generally and with the western fandom standards infiltrating the market with ethots and minecraft eboys the whole novelty has been worn off after seeing the reality. i just watch them if i like the game or the topic but not anymore because of them

No. 394685

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>>394680
vt and its consequences have been a disaster for western vtubing.

No. 394686

>>394620
>Also curious if some tubers will distance themselves from ERB, to retain their 4chan unicorn fanbase.
Sounds unlikely, Ollie is as pro holostars as they come and no one's distanced themselves from her. Retards on 4chan can shit themselves as hard as they want but the talents themselves aren't assholes.

No. 394693

I listened to a few minutes of Raora today because she happened to be streaming. I think I like her more than my first impression of her now that she has mellowed out a little. She gives me cute Italian aunt vibes with her talks about pasta. I could see myself tuning in sometimes as long as she doesn't start hardcore pandering. An Italian cooking stream would be so kino.

No. 394708

>>394685
By second family, do they mean work colleagues? Because it sounds like they're talking about a scrotes who has a whole other wife and kids.

No. 394758

>>394660
If you're into zatsus, I think Josuiji Shinri might be a good fit for you. Very mellow and mature. If you can tolerate her voice (I don't mind it, but some others hate it) Fauna is also good.

No. 394779

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Singing Unlucky as one of her first songs… I love my filtering queen, she's smart for not playing around and properly laying out what to expect from the get go.

No. 394798

>>394779
I usually dislike karaoke, but she’s an amazing performer, so fun.
She’s the musical comedy type rather than your usual singer, I’m loving this. Way to go Queen!

No. 394799

ERB's model physics are such a hard debuff but her singing voice is so fresh in an industry like vtubing, I like this one.

No. 394802

>>394798
Same! I usually can't be assed to stick around no matter how good the girl is but she genuinely is having such a blast playing around with her voice haha

No. 394803

>>394680
Are you the nonny who mentioned working with vtubers before ITT? I want to hear the tea so badly kek. After reading that massive Luca Kaneshiro doc I totally believe you.

No. 394806

Belting skyfall in front of 20k on her first karaoke is CRAZY!! I've been listening while driving on a nice night and shes fun, nonnas

No. 394814

I hope the other EN girls find their own success, but ngl, I hope ERB's popularity skyrockets just to piss off /vt/ kek. They're already making excuses, like music streams appeal more to normies. Okay…? Having a talent that appeals to a wide audience is totally fine.
It's refreshing seeing this thread revitalized with some actual discussion.

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She set /vt/ on fire and it’s so fun to watch.
I didn’t think I would care for anyone in this gen, but she’s now my oshi. She makes me so happy…

No. 394816

She sung my suggestion, I probably wasn't the only one asking but the oshi levels are rising. I'm over the moon right now

No. 394818

>>394779
Unlucky from which artist?

No. 394819

I just had a vision of Liz singing A Love Suicide, Rule of Rose’s OST…

No. 394836

>>394815
She's the Queen but vtubing is a moids game. Maybe she can get a female audience but I don't think she's gonna be able to get the sub count she deserves.
I really really hope she doesn't lean into the mommy/dom thing like Kronii does

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No. 394842

>>394836
But I wonder if 4chan unicorns are a small but loud minority. Ofc they spend 24/7 seething about every single tweet, but I would think there's a pretty significant population of casual weebs who don't even think about male collabs, children and teens with internet access who like the pretty anime lady singing, 4channers who aren't unicorns but just keep it to themselves, and so on.
I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of those 'unicorns' don't even watch or care about vtubers that much, they just love stirring up drama with bait posts.
I have high hopes for her, her sub count is great right now. I just hope she remains consistent and creates a lot of other content when she's not singing (I assume she can't do a karaoke stream every single day, for voice reasons.)
I think one of the only real draw of having a unicorn fanbase is that they probably donate crazy amounts.

No. 394846

>>394842
Like you can see with Holostars who the directly targeted women get a fraction of the subs that Hololive get that we're not that big an audience.
Even then if I was to show some of my non-weeb or casual weeb friends ERB's streams they'd be immediately turned off by her big boobs and jiggle physics. There's only so much "I can explain she only does it for X, she's actually really cool". It's a massive turnoff to get new women viewers onboard.
I'll probably sub just because I like her and she's the first vtuber I like in my timezone but we're the minority in the fandom.

No. 394847

>>394846
Tbh, I wonder if Holostars was just poorly timed or unlucky somehow. I think (at least initially) the gold standard for EN male vtubers was Nijisanji EN. Vox has nearly double the subs (~1.3 mil) of who was the top female talent, Selen (~700k.) They have a handful of male EN talents above or nearing 1 mil.
Ofc, that's not Gawr Gura level (4 mil+), but I think some of those super-high 2 mil+ sub female vtubers just struck lightning in a bottle by debuting during covid when people were stuck at home and the market was tiny, and imo 1 mil subs for a vtuber is nothing to sneeze at.
Tl;dr I think it's possible for male vtubers to have a prolific simping female audience who donates a lot, like Luxiem. But I think things will overall be harder post-covid for both male and female EN streamers. Niji repeatedly shoots themselves in the foot, and Holo EN boys just never took off for some reason.
I don't closely follow any male vtubers so I wonder if anyone else has any input as to why Holo EN boys didn't capture the same growth as Nijisanji EN boys.
Sorry for writing an essay, I just like vtubers…

No. 394850

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>>394847
Simply put, not only was it lightning in a bottle (being the first corporate male english vtubers) during the pandemic but also because nijisanji was already known in the vtuber sphere as appealing more towards women given that they have more marketed male vtubers.
But its also in part to >>394846
I've noticed that in the western world, women, even casually weeby ones, aren't interested in vtubers in general (which may in part have to do with the absolute state of vtubing culture in the west being associated with incels and twitch ethots). Nijisanji en, while niche in the western world, is overwhelmingly popular in english speaking parts of east and southeast asia due to vtubers and otaku culutre being somewhat more mainstream and that several members of Luxiem have convenient timezones for those parts of the world.
I also like writing essays on vtubers

No. 394862

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Dokibird’s new model. I think it’s cute!

No. 394863

>>394862
>>394862
I honestly came to love the smug Doki model but anything that makes niji seethe is a win. Goes to show how liked she is by artists that her old mama would make what's practically a recolor, she's wild for this haha.

No. 394865

>>394862
It looks really good. Was never a fan of Selen and Elira's models but this and Dr. Nova have sold me on the artist.

No. 394868

>>394847
I've seen many Nijiboy fans explicitly state they won't watch the Holostars because they have something against the culture at Holo overall. When elaborated upon they usually paint a picture of Holo being for racist, transphobic, misogynistic, etc whatever fans and for some reason extend that to the stars which is bizarre IMO. Only the dregs are like that and you have to be spending time on scum sites to think it's the majority, which is a hypocritical mask-off.
On a less tribalistic note, I think the social division between the branches also contributes. People like that anybody collabing with anybody is fair game in Niji. I can see the appeal, but it's not for me. My ideal is that they mistly do their own things ut the occassional collab or twitter interaction isn't as stigmatized as it is now.
At the end of the day I want the girls to be able to do whatever they want. I'm about 50/50 on viewtime between the girls and boys of Holo but I couldn't care less when the men get ridiculed and harrassed because men aren't people to me. It's just a shame it takes something away from female viewers when that happens. Unicorns are so retarded seething over the Stars not being a brotuber branch as if it ever made financial sense that everything including a male branch should be for them.

No. 394869

>>394818
It's an orisong from the Holostars branch, belonging to Gavis Bettel. The fact that she sung it not once but twice in her first karaoke strem is a huge BTFO to unitards even if she only did it because she likes the song.

No. 394883

>>394869
>bettel oshi
shes just like me fr

No. 394888

>>394883
Do you think she knows about/likes Bettel ryona

No. 394890

>>394862
Lmao, I wonder if the artist mama won't be punished for this transgression against niji? Is there any way Selen or the artist could be lawyered up against over this?

No. 394899

>>394890
I mean what are they gonna do, stop the artist of their EN poster girl from making any new Elira outfits? Would just be bad publicity added on bad publicity. They're not that stupid… or are they?

No. 394958

I hope someday I will be popular enough as a vtuber for nonnies here to (positively) discuss me.
I have so many issues with the indie vtubing scene, especially males, but I'll keep it to myself for now.

No. 395023

>>394958
I mean… Tell more if you feel comfortable with it, I'm always curious about how things are BTS.

No. 395027

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>>395023
I think a lot of male vtubers unironically have autism (no surprise there.) A lot of them have no sense of boundary. Some of the things I've experienced are:
>DMing you asking to collab without any effort to get to know you
>Having 50 followers, then asking people with 5k+ followers to collab with them, and throwing tantrums when they're ignored or rejected 'REEEE these asshole big vtubers just care about numbers'
>Or even worse, being undebuted with 0 followers, or having horrible concepts that will damage the brand of others (e.g. being a furry vtuber), and still expecting others to give them the time of day
>Asking you to collab while you're livestreaming, so you have to either ignore their message or politely reject them in front of your live audience
>Regularly tweeting or talking about content most people won't enjoy, like 'I want seggs!11! Gimme smoochy! Want booba!' and then throwing fits when people unfollow them over said content
I don't mind if fellow streamers, male or female, reach out to me and make a legitimate effort to get to know me. I have met some cool people who truly just want to support each other. But from my experience, most male vtubers who reach out to me want to flirt with me, and/or want to use me to clout chase because I have 10-100x as many followers as them. I don't really have this experience with fellow female vtubers. Female vtubers understand concepts like introducing yourself to someone before asking for things, and understanding that it'll look like clout chasing if your 1 ccv self spam DMs someone with 100 ccv.
I'm very selective with who I interact with in the vtuber sphere for these reasons.
Luckily this is mainly 0-2 ccv males, hopefully bigger male vtubers are more respectful.

No. 395254

i don't know why, advent didn't grab me at all but justice just seems way more appealing to me for some reason

No. 395279

>>395254
Same. No hate against Advent, but they are quite forgettable lol.

Also, NijisanjiEN cancelled the live Concerts in L.A

No. 395283

>>395279
>Also, NijisanjiEN cancelled the live Concerts in L.A
Grim. Kek

No. 395284

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Chronoir selling more than either of the native branches for the region is bleak

No. 395354

>>395254
Yeah, is it just me, or do all the girls in Advent look the same or have a similar aesthetic? Besides FWMC. It's not even in a way where "Oh, same unit, so similar" but that in a lineup I cannot really pick them out. I don't know if I'm even explaining myself right, but I hope you know what I mean. Biboo stands out, too, but in a way that she just annoys me to no end.

In comparison, The designs of justice stick out, you get a good read on their personalities, and none of them have irritated me yet. Mostly I just really like ERB though, but I'm still having a difficult time imagining what her streams will be like based on this week alone.

No. 395360

How is lolcow so anti-Niji. Doki is an insane bpd liar who belongs on /snow/. All the kurosanji talking points were made by unicorn coomers on /vt/ who specifically hate Niji's large female fanbase. Not defending Niji because being a fan of a company is fucking retarded anyway. Just surprised that no one questioned the incel propaganda here

No. 395364

>>395360
We're not rehashing this.
>>395354
I kinda felt like this but they've actually grown on me a lot. They're more cohesive I guess than a usual gen's designs? Not really a fan of Justice in comparison bc their designs feel a lot more… IDK how to describe it, Genshin-adjacent?
Myth and Promise still have designs that mog the two gens that came after them though IMO

No. 395369

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I agree about not being in love with Advent. I feel like the main things fans constantly talk about, at least male fans, is:
>Picrel of Shiori, which was reposted everywhere before she even debuted
>Talk about Rissa and her sisters and pregnancy
>Unicorn friendly doggo uwu twins and the degeneracy that brings
>Memey gamer
And maybe it's not fair to judge them based on the male fans' degeneracy. But at least with Mori, people talk about her rap career, love it or hate it. With Ame, people talk about weird innovative streams (or how she used to do them.) The only super novel thing about Advent imo is having a set of twins.
Having a deep voiced singer, an artist, and a violinist is fairly novel, imo. The only other professional level artist in Holo EN is probably Ina, right?

No. 395370

>>395360
Doubleposting but okay, I'll bite. Tell me why Nijisanji is a great company with happy employees and a good retention rate of vtubers without mentioning 'Selen' 'Doki' 'Dookey' or 'BPD'. I'll wait.

No. 395380

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>>395364
nta, I like FWMC's designs although Fuwawa's boob cravat thing is retarded. a shame that they're played by those two, twin dog vtubers that are actually girl's girls would've been really cute.

No. 395382

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>>395354
For me, it's the opposite. I guess it's mostly due to the timing, but I don't feel particularly hyped. Still, it's only been a few days since their debuts, but I think they can improve with the right guidance.

No. 395384

>>395380
Honestly a sister gaming channel (or even bro/sis or bro/bro) that just focused on pure gaming and banter, no lewd art, no uwu or incest stuff would be super cute.
I know some femanons here like them and everyone has their own taste. But for me, I think they realize one of their main appeals is incest or male fans wanting a threesome and they seem to lean heavily into it in how they promote themselves.
Any female on the internet will be sexualized to hell and back, but the streamer can either lean into it or away from it.

No. 395385

>>395369
>The only other professional level artist in Holo EN is probably Ina, right?
If you're speaking about drawing and stuff, you're right. Sana too if you count people have graduated.
>>395384
I agree. I don't think it would get popular though, I think FWMC's acting retarded weebs is what generates view, if they were just normal twins they would probably be Shiori level of forgetfulness.

No. 395391

>>395384
ayrt, If their valentines stream was anything to go off of then yea they do play into the twincest/threesome aspect. Looking up "fuwawa siscon" on youtube also gives you more evidence. Thinking about the missed opportunity of an authentic sister gaming channel with FWMC makes me sad, I feel like it'd be miles more interesting than what they're doing now.

No. 395455

Kinda wonderingif the other FWMC nonnas still watch them? I was one of them but I've fallen off a lot in the past few months. They're just sort of stale, although FWMC morning is fun to tune into once in a while.

No. 395458

>>395384
If you’re interested in holostars you should totally check out Bettel’s streams with his brother. They have excellent banter and their dynamic is so fun and entertaining, it almost makes me wish his brother was a member of stars lol

No. 395459

>>395360
>Nijisanji hate is misogynistic propaganda

>Moid CEO was right and any woman who complains about abuse or doesn't behave like a submissive waif is BPD


keeek

No. 395460

>>395458
Seconding this, and he's trying to make bettel 2 (that's what they call him) sundays a thing. they're really funny together. bettel's schedule has been a bit off lately though due to elden ring.

No. 395461

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>>395460
They were for a while before he went to Japan, I hope they keep it up now that he's back. I like it best when they zatsu together though, rather than playing games lol. It's fun hearing a new side of Bettel.
Did any other nonnas watch his NoPixel stream? I just finished the VOD and it really does showcaee his skill at improv, my ryona jester can't be this cute. I'm going to take bites out of him.

No. 395462

>>395459
I don't want to say "go back" but AYRT's cultish mentality of "niji antis are kust xyz-phobes" is so twitter kek

No. 395465

>>395360
>Doki belongs on snow
So do Ike and Vox. And they're both crazier. One of them used to suicide bait to keep his gf with him and tried to blame her for his depression and anxiety when other girls he messaged got together and compared notes. The other is Vox Akuma, self professed C-ptsd and ADHD, who acts more mentally ill than Doki, even on his own streams.

No. 395466

So I know that Holo talents usually can't return to PL activity until 6 mths post-debut, but what's the usual protocol for the artists when it comes to their illustration work? Yuniiho is mama to several vtubers, so I wonder if her kids all have to wait at least 6 months to get any new outfits? Zentreya is debuting a new outfit from her soon and I'm assuming she won't be able to comment on it, either, given how things have typically gone. She'll also be a lot busier so I assume it'll be harder to get new outfits from her even once the ban lifts.
I don't think any of this is bad, per say, it's just interesting to puzzle out the protocol.
>>395465
Not to mention Luca, kek:
https://archive.org/details/my-experience-with-java-luca-kaneshiro
3/5ths of a whole gen having notable allegations against them, and then a 4th member being way more openly menhera than Selen ever was prior to her attempt… Bad look. I feel bad for Shu.

No. 395471

>>395461
Loosely related, how do you nonnas feel about Bettel making his characters look like his irl self? That with the new podcast he has with Magni/Lando calling them both jesters has left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.

No. 395476

>>395471
Bettel's always been one of the more paranoid members when it comes to not compromising his position at Holo so I think most of the current concerns floating around are unfounded.
The naming of the podcast was in poor taste but I'm a professional Lando hater so I'll chalk it up to him trying to get crumbs off of his friends popularity.

No. 395497

>>395455
I was one. I was a clip watcher and after the bit with the silence when reacting to the boys, I kinda feel off. They're still cute, but I noticed that a lot of comments were missing and what want deleted were comments about "protecting our smile". Then reacting or not reacting to the boys in a planned video could be just a bit that didn't have. Deleting comments, imo, was leaving a bit hard into the pandering. It also made existing conversations hard to follow.
I think that was the point where I used to admit to myself that I wasn't the target audience.
Sibling moments are still cute, but the fandom they're cultivating isn't really for me, so I have no motivation to watch full streams.

No. 395509

>>395382
who’s this in your pic?

No. 395514

>>395284
I really hate how they even tried to use Chronoir for this, they're popular but not outside of Japan, plus all the drama on the EN side just ruined the company's reputation in the west way too much. The management essentially almost set up two of their most popular talents for failure instead of simply providing them more opportunities in Japan or at least going with a less risky approach (either have them be extra guests or perform in a smaller venue overseas). I noticed it also didn't get promoted very much, which makes me wonder if they were sort of expecting that they might have to cancel it from the start.
At least cancelling the concert is less crushing for the talents compared to having to perform in an empty venue when they've filled a 10k+ venue easily before (for their concert in Japan).

No. 395535

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Raora and Liz are still in that navigating stage of their friendship but they still get along pretty well! Liz's chav asmr made me lol. nice zatsu.

No. 395548

>>395509
Looks like Cecilia Immergreen

No. 395570

>>395514
I feel really bad for the fans I've seen who booked hotels and flights just for this. Even saw a JP Lucub who was already in the US by the time the news dropped.
I have no idea what they were thinking calling things off so late. It's like they believed their own fans' delusions of hundreds of last minute ticket buyers when that was so obviously not a realistic expectation to everybody else watching.

No. 395571

>>395514
Yeah, the Holo expo boys reaction was a nail in the coffin for me, too, It was rhe most inflammatory way for them to handle things and fueled the worst part of their fandoms too. The same part that felt betrayed and got pissy over their Japan move.

No. 395573

>>395466
Wait… You mean Kuro? I didn't watch him but was he menhera?

No. 395589

>pay for concert tickets (refunded)
>pay for entrance ticket to the expo
>pay for plane tickets
>pay for hotel room
>take time off work
I feel bad for the fans, I can't understand why they wouldn't just do it anyway. At this point everything must have been prepared and paid for, so they're losing more than if they just went through with it, no? I'm no expert on these things so a nonna could correct me.
>>395284
Also is 4K a normal amount of seats to sell for vtubers in the US? I never pay attention to concerts. This might be a case of geographically smaller countries not understanding that 99% of their US fanbase can't move across the country for a few hours to attend a concert. Maybe these numbers would be normal in Tokyo for a similarly popular group of vtubers/idols but the west is different especially the US.

No. 395611

>>395573
Always has been.
>>395589
If you're hololive, it's feasible. Last year's concert in the same city sold out at 6000 tickets. But it makes sense for them since they're an idol company and even the least musically inclined of the talents all had at least 1 orisong at the time of the concert.
No idea what Niji was thinking when the EN branch isn't amywhere near as musically inclined or invested in as the stand-out JP members that bring in ticket purchases.

No. 395618

>>395369
Advent is talented for sure, but I agree that none of them really stand out to me enough. I think Justice is stronger especially with Elizabeth who's incredibly good at singing.

No. 395638

>>395618
Yeah, Justice feels closer to another "supertalent" gen out the gate than the past two even if I personally love them still.
I'm really proud of how far Promise has come from its early Council days though. Definitely one of my favorite genwide growth journeys in Holo and it was heartwarming to see Promise become official.

No. 395644

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I'm so in love with her new design. The OG model was cute but I've always felt that a more tomboyish look suits her best. And this is far more to my personal tastes than Selen was.

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>>395644
I’m in the same boat, her new design is so charming! The color palette is cohesive and there’s just enough detail so it doesn’t feel too busy. And I feel like you don’t often see female vtuber designs with pants lmao

No. 395654

>>395648
Yes, it's such a simple but fresh feeling design!
Her sentiment about wanting to make her mama proud after not getting many merchandising/general sponsorship opportunities as Selen was sweet too. Even if it's just a justification for returning to the same artist like everybody expected, it's a nice angle to thing of things from.

No. 395684

>>356915
Virtual Witch Phenomenon (KAF, Isekaijoucho, Harusaruhi etc.)

No. 395690

>>395648
>>395644
What I love this! Kinda gives Ezreal kek

No. 395730

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Thoughts on her? I actually liked her in Bettel's NoPixel stream and she seemed like a decent conversationalist who doesn't rely on lewdbaiting when I checked clips/shorts of her on youtube. Is she pretty nonna friendly?

No. 395766

>>395730
I watched some clips a while ago. She mentioned that she could get a lot more money if she did the whole "no men" thing, but she does that to cull the unicorns. I think she said that to Merryweather.
She sounds nice and genuine, though I haven't seen a lot. I like what I've seen though. I don't think I've ever seen attempts at lewdtubing from her.

No. 395767

It's funny that the mod of the new Holostars discussion site that replaced NYFCO never seems to remove transphobic comments even though she's so quick to get at other negative comments. There's no way they're not getting reported, either, with how many downvotes they get.
>>395766
Nice. I'm not really a twitch watcher but I'll try to catch her when I can!

No. 395769

>>395767
Which site? I like reading that stuff.

No. 395772

>>395767
I actually watched her clips on YouTube myself. I can't figure Twitch out. I wanted to watch Matara but I'm not patient enough to learn the site.

No. 395775

>>395769
elysium.baby
Don't go ruining a good thing and baiting anti-troon shit evwh though

No. 395800

>>395772
there's not much to learn because twitch is just easier to navigate for livestreams, but one thing about twitch is that you should to go to youtube for vods kek. i've found hidden gem streamers on twitch and finding new streamers on there in general is easier than on youtube because searching by categories, language, and the existence of streamer tags makes it less difficult. i dont care about it, but if you personally dont want to see lewdtubers you can just block them and there's a filter in your settings for mature streams.

No. 395816

>>395767
>never seems to remove transphobic comments
based TERF webmaster

No. 395817

>>395455
I used to really like FWMC on debut but eventually their schizo fans turned me away with the constant crying about males, "they protected our smiles bau bau!!" cringe, and the crazy crying in SC's about them wanting to branch out to JP.
I watch every once in a while for the niche stream games like Touhou or the Karaoke's but at this point i've dropped them for Shiori and Bijou. (currently gravitating towards all of Justice, especially Elizabeth)

No. 395819

>>395767
Unless you provide more context it sounds like she's trying to filter out twitterfags.

No. 395844

>>394620
>Also curious if some tubers will distance themselves from ERB, to retain their 4chan unicorn fanbase.
Gura, the queen of EN unicorns, has collabed with Ollie. Even Bae called in to Magni's bday stream during a collab with Fauna.
The girls aren't petty like /vt/ would want to believe they were.

No. 395906

>>395819
What extra context is needed lol, she removes other inflammatory comments (ie can't call a talent's game choices stupid) but leaves comments outright calling trans women men up.

No. 395912

>>395906
i dont see the issue

No. 395921

>>395906
So you're one of the twitterfags who got filtered, right? Because I genuinely find it hard to believe you're a farmer when most anons here say even worse about trannies on a daily basis.

No. 395936

>>395921
>>395912
I'm saying this is a good thing? Do you genuinely think I'm coming onto lolcow.farm and complaining about transphobia kek

No. 395942

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>>395936
oh shit I'm sorry anon kek, I didn't catch that when I was reading your post. I thought you were some sort of refugee like >>395360. my bad

No. 395943

>>395942
I forgive you. Mostly because bettel naked dogeza made me laugh kek

No. 396043

Until Cecilia debuted, I didn't realize how much of Kiara's distinctive voice was just a result of the German accent lol

No. 396085

>>396043
I noticed that when I saw Shylily. And a video talking about the Tuber who voted her accent.

No. 396106

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Not sure if this will be an unpopular opinion amongst here, but I'm surprised at how much I'm enjoying Raora so far. I was actually commenting negatively on her debut here a few days ago, kek. But now I see
>super upbeat
>talks a lot about tasty Italian food
>aunt vibes
I think unless she starts showing strong coomer or unicorn pandering tendencies, I might keep tuning into her streams as background noise.

No. 396107

>>396106
shes cute. i'll tune in for her art streams since I feel thats where shes at her most natural. I get a bit annoyed when she overdoes the cutesy laugh at times though.

No. 396108

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the amount of seethe she generates from schizoids should be studied. its not like she suddenly pulled the rug from under them a year into her career either.

No. 396114

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>>396108
long live queen ERB

No. 396115

Can anyone recommend me favorite streams that will be fun for me to listen to while driving or walking?
Any vtuber is fine, indie or corpo. I prefer female vtubers. But I'm open to anyone and any kind of content! I haven't listened to enough streams recently and I want to get back into it.

No. 396116

>>396115
well what kind of content do you like?
If i'm driving i'd prefer to listen to zatsudan streams from calmer vtubers like Ina, Fauna, etc.

No. 396117

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>>396114
shes such a Stacy I love it

No. 396118

>>396116
I guess I like girls who are a bit cheeky and gremlin-like. I used to like Amelia Watson, but she seems to have fallen off. I think any content is okay, gaming or zatsu, if the streamer is having fun and being interactive.

No. 396120

>>396118
maybe gigi from the new gen? she has gremlin energy and seems to do alright with not having dead air/interacting with chat a healthy amount. Bae can be pretty good too if your timezones align. If you dont mind the pandering at times Bijou is great.
For indies, give Fleshy, Tobs, Bodegarrat, and coqui a shot

No. 396123

>>396117
why is she a Stacy?

No. 396133

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>>396117
oh that's a much better pic anon, thank you! i love her so much

No. 396135

Shilling my oshi's anime ending.
Congratulations Mori, please consider being /here/ and tell the moids of vt to kick sand.

No. 396139

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>>396123
>makes moids seethe by being extroverted and saying hi to everyone regardless of gender/status
>does whatever she feels like doing and doesnt apologize for it
>moids cant really find anything to actually hate on her for without exposing themselves as creeps so they make up blantant lies and latch on to it
there'll probably be more examples as she continues her holo career. shes currently being stalked for watching Astel's karaoke for the past 5 hours.

No. 396141

>>396133
lmao this is perfect thanks nonnie

No. 396143

>>396139
>makes moids seethe by being extroverted and saying hi to everyone regardless of gender/status
THIS is what gets moids mad? some people have wars in their countries, you self centered scrotes.

No. 396144

>>396143
Moids absolutely MUST establish their retarded hierarchies everywhere they go or else they will die of attention deficiency

No. 396147

>>396143
they complain that she doesnt talk to the girls as much as she does with the guys. when she says hi to the girls they complain that she spams the chats, and im betting if she didnt talk that much they'd complain that she doesnt like them at all. no winning with schizos that already have an image of you in their minds.
Just hoping she doesn't turn into a Calli type and dedicate actual stream time to "calling out the haters" or whatever because that gets annoying too.

No. 396158

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>>396139
>mentioned Bettel's name during a gen collab
well, there we go. she now has a mark on her body for the rest of her career kek.
the balls on her are massive though.

No. 396211

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I stg every loli vtuber has pulled the 'I got mistaken as a child' story on stream at least once.
For some of them, it's probably a straight-up lie, to pander to lolicon fans. For some of them, it's probably a real story, embellished a bit… to pander to lolicon fans.
And yeah I'm aware that some women actually look younger or shorter than their age. But we all know exactly why these loli vtubers habitually tell this story on stream.
Fwiw sometimes older folks with bad vision truly just cannot tell a 15 year old from a 25 year old.
Pic somewhat related, this is going around twitter. Tbh the vtuber still does not look adult-like to me because of the proportions.

No. 396216

>>396108
We get it, you can stop self-posting and samefagging now. It's having the opposite effects at this point.

No. 396218

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>>396216
>samefagging
>self-posting
nta but where? Do you think multiple anons are unable to like ERB or something? Also why would ERB be self-posting in this thread kek. If you don't like Lizzie discussion then you're free to post your own oshi.

No. 396219

>>396216
Also ntayrt. I'm not even a hardcore ERB stan like some of these posters, but I understand why people feel happy and refreshed to see ERB. To me she almost seems like she's actively spiting unicorn fans. There's no way she doesn't know about the backlash. Either that, or she simply does not care about the opinion of unicorns, since she is an adult married woman.
I am grateful that the new holo generation has revitalized this thread post-Nijisanji nuclear fallout.

No. 396233

>>396216
>samefagging accusation
holy seethe

No. 396246

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>>396216
Sorry you got filtered by the queen

No. 396267

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>>396211
They fail to mention that any woman in their 20s get mistaken for teenagers when they don't wear makeup and form fitting clothes.
>>396216
Nta but I've been wanting to get into Hololive for a long time but their incel fanbase put me off every time, I can understand why other nonnas are also really happy that someone is finally not even subtly limiting themselves to pander to /vt/cels.

No. 396268

>>396135
>please consider being /here
Funny you assume some of them aren't shilling themselves here already

No. 396274

>>396268
Which girl is most likely to be /here/?
I vote Shiori because I've seen the rrats that she's anti-troon

No. 396275

>>396216
>ERB selfposting
God I wish. She's prob a TRA though kek

No. 396301

>>396268
LMAO why would a Hololive talent shill themselves on fucking lolcow where the vtuber audience is just 10 anons at most. Ridiculous.

No. 396303

>>396135
So happy for Calli to get this. She's been on the music grind for ages. A Studio Wit anime is a big get.

No. 396338

I know people here probably don't want to hear too much about /vt/, but their response to ERB is so funny. They're trying incredibly hard to pin some kind of blame on ERB, but can't find anything to blame her for.
>Gigi had something labeled '???' on her schedule, but had to cancel it. /vt/ trying to say it was monetization celebration for Justice but they couldn't be monetized because Liz doesn't have enough VODs up
Except getting monetized will take a few more days, at least. Google has to physically mail you a code to type in on youtube.
>Astel has a karaoke VOD with chat removed. /vt/ trying to insist it was because ERB was posting too much in the live chat
Except he had to remove one song, which gets rid of the chat replay.
They're trying so hard to find some kind of flaw with her. 'Her voice is too deep and I can only get a boner from lolis thus she is a bad singer' is a pretty common one, too.

No. 396346

Sorry for doubleposting.
But Kizuna AI, an old-school vtuber whose voice actress retired a few months or years ago, is having some activity on her channel.
All videos were privated, and now a livestream with music and mysterious text has been looping for an hour.
People fear that her channel is being dug back up without the VA so they can turn it into an NFT channel or something else sus.
Alternatively, they could be bringing her back with a new VA or an AI voice, like Neuro-sama. Kizuna AI's voice has been replaced before and everyone hated it.

No. 396362

>>396338
they're prob hoping for another Vesper situation with a suspension + graduation, though if anything this will just be another Kiara bad 2.0 situation.

>>396346
its such a shame what happened to this channel. I'm hoping its some kind of vtuber unit project, or shes going strictly into music but it probably is just scummy NFT stuff.

No. 396363

>>396135
Mori deserves the world and more. glad she keeps getting wins

No. 396369

>>396274
In Hololive? Calli Kiara FWMC and Shiori. I don't think they selfpost or advertise, but they def know the existence of the site.
1+ if Shiori actually hates troons.

No. 396376

>>396274
Kiara and FWMC for sure
Calli probably used to come here in the past

No. 396377

>>396376
I almost forgot that FWMC had threads on here in the past.

No. 396385

>>396338
your biggest fans are your biggest haters fr. i hear more about her whereabouts/whats going on in her streams from them than any of the other girls in her gen.

No. 396390

>>396377
Didn't know this. Enlightening reads though kek

No. 396391

>>396219
>I am grateful that the new holo generation has revitalized this thread post-Nijisanji nuclear fallout.
Me too, I still consider this the most comfortable place to discuss vtubers when it's active.

No. 396394

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I think I'd actually enjoy Mococo if she was just a solo vtuber. It's the specific way they do the twin schtick and also what Fuwawa brings to the dynamic that turns me so hard off of FWMC.

No. 396402

>>396390
Actually, it's funny how many current vtubers have lolcow pasts and were discussed on here a decade ago. FWMC, Keekihime, Pomu, possibly others. But I think becoming a successful vtuber is a pretty good outcome for prior weeb e-celebs and aidorus. They can continue to indulge in weeb degeneracy but make a living off of it. I'm a bit jealous tbh!

No. 396408

>>396402
Agreed, I think it's actually sweet that some of these weeby girls have been able to find successful careers in an emergent medium.

No. 396459

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Hey anons, what do you think the holo talents will be like in 10 years, if they do stay for 10 years that is? I don't know the ages of all talents but some should be in their late thirties or early forties by that time, right? Do you think any of them will possibly change or can you see them staying the same?

No. 396461

>>396459
I hope most of them retire gracefully or move into management. I can't think of many internet people I used to watch as a teenager that aren't complete messes now.

No. 396464

>>396274
Before Holo Gura leaned heavily into board culture. Maybe not now but she's definitely been here.
For non Holo probably Nyanners.

No. 396465

>>396459
>>396461
I'll take the opposite approach and say it would be cool if some stick around, but just diversify their portfolio. Streaming games in front of an audience probably loses its charms, but more vtubers could branch into making their own video games, voice acting for anime, hell, someone could create a fashion line or a real-life exhibit.
Even if a popular vtuber mostly goes into retirement, I could see them coming out every 6 months to release a song cover or have an anniversary stream, for years on end. Provided they aren't kicked out by their agency for inactivity. Whether that's endearing or depressing depends on your outlook, I guess.

No. 396499

>>396459
Some of them are already in their late 30s. If Holo is still around, I think some will stay but quite a few will have gone. I've seen a few of the older members talking about how it would be nice to have a normal life and some of the things other women their age have, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Then again, what's "normal" for a woman to have at xyz age is rapidly changing in most first world countries, so we might see a surprising number still on. Especially since for a lot of the really big talents, Holo IS their social circle.

No. 396500

>>396459
I really want to see a "where are they now" documentary 15 years from now or something interviewing the people behind some of the biggest current and past names in vtubing that have by then retired.

No. 396589

>>396459
if theyre not big names like Pekora, Marine, etc. I cant see most of them lasting for the next 10 years. Or, like the other anon said, frequency of streams will lessen.

No. 396633

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If I was a vtuber with 1,000,000+ subs and I owned my channel, I'd keep it forever, even if I was basically retired and moved onto a day job. Unless I was ashamed of my channel or it became associated with my irl identity.
Why? Look at Kizuna AI's stream yesterday. Or maybe more accurately, her corpo/puppeteers' stream, since the original VA is probably long gone. They turn on some flashing text and some throwback songs, and suddenly people are joining membership again and superchatting.
Ofc, people were baited into thinking it was her return for a few hours.
But imagine having a free source of money you can come back to a couple of times a year and hype everyone up over.
Even if Gura gets sick of streaming, I could see her coming back every 6 months and getting showered in superchats for the next decade. I'm sure she has hardcore fans that will follow her anywhere and put up with any extended absence.
Is it a bit sad? Maybe. But would I blame a vtuber who did that? I'd judge them but be a bit jealous lol.
But I guess anon above was talking more about vtubers who'd actually be active in a meaningful capacity. That's harder to say.

No. 396677

>>396633
That's the thing, nonny. You never really own your channel as a chuuba unless you're an indie, and indies never make it that big.

No. 396697

>>396633
Kizuna Ai was already replaced years ago (the original VA confirmed this and most JP fans know) and she never 'owned' her channel to begin with, so this really doesn't apply.

No. 397051

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Thoughts on the Armis boys after over half a year?
>Jurard
Surprisingly good, he's probably grown the most since joining. Benefits a lot from tard wrangling but his manager turns it into a spectator sport.
>Goldbullet
Graduate. Honestly cringe and not in a good way. I can't understand many of his choices (like his inability to play any game more than once, let alone finish them) and his manager is weirdly absent when at this point he's probably the member that needs wrangling most. Disappointing because he was my original favorite.
>Octavio
Musically definitely the best hire StarsEN has made so far. I think he's also got a really unique charm to him but he streams debuff games in a shit timeslot so he goes underappreciated. Hard worker too.
Vtubing was made for guys like him, I hope his fanbase sees a lot of growth because he deserves it.
>Ruze
My personal favorite in the gen now (although Octavio is rapidly encroaching), obviously a sentiment shared by many if his revenue is anything to go by. He competes with Bettel in earnings with just a fraction of the subs.
Anoth great hire by StarsEN. Is it weird to say thay I think he fills a niche that Vesper left empty in that he's just a great zatsu streamer? Guy really turns talking into an art form.
TLDR I think Jurard, Octavio, and Ruze have all been high quality hires. Goldbullet not so much, I honestly drop collabs he's in because I find him annoying.

No. 397180

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What is the most disastrous vtuber stream?

No. 397182

>>397180
Silervale had a stream where she was cry-pologizing for playing Hogwarts Legacy. The massive bouncing tits and default happy face just make the whole thing look ridiculous. Use a blank screen or something ffs. God 90% of Vshojo are such clueless retards.

No. 397184

>>397051
>Goldbullet
I agree. He should lean more into his creative side instead of trying to be some kind of weird BFE streamer. I was honestly impressed at his birthday stream idea and the way he dropped his merch. His gaming streams for the most part are good too given he's actually great at gaming and talking at the same time efficiently, but its a shame that aside from that he's kind of hard to listen to because you can tell he really wants to farm yumes. It says a lot when I liked him better in his PL than I do now.
Just seems like a Sana situation where he doesn't want to use the talent that he's actually good at/helps set him apart (also he can pick up the niche Magni left which is art streams with a competent artist) and ends up just being a directionless streamer as a result.

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No. 397200

>>397184
Yeah, his game choices and skills are good but it's hard to be interested in a streamer who constantly chooses 30 hour games and only streams 2 hours of them before dropping them forever. The BFE is whatever, I'm fine with it conceptually but he's too socially graceless to pull it off. I agree on the underutilization of his art skills. I find it hard to believe that he would have been hired for anything else and yet…
On a marginal note, the way his fans baby him for his ADHD is embarrassing to watch… most of his issues are flaws of judgement and character not ADHD. I say this as somebody who has ADHD but they're 100% the type of women who would end up married bangmaids of an ADHD manchildren.

No. 397203

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>>397051
>Octavio
I'm really enjoying him, he fills some of the void Magni left behind. He is fun and creative, the ideas he comes up with are great. His karaokes are a blast. But I do not watch every stream, like you said he streams boring games for multiple weeks at a time. I respect him finishing what he starts but, yeah… I wish he did more streams about hyper focusing on anatomy since it's something he knows a lot about.
>Goldbullet
Everything he does kinda puts me off, nothing seems genuine from his mouth for some reason and I can't pinpoint why. I am super confused how he even made it in, he doesn't even want to sing and with his health idk if he can perform if Armis gets their 3D one day. Also does anyone know if he actually knows Japanese and Spanish, from my understanding he only speaks English

No. 397221

>>397203
You're correct, he only speaks English.
>nothing seems genuine from his mouth for some reason and I can't pinpoint why.
I totally get what you mean. The vibes are just off.

No. 397222

>>397203
I love the way Octavio's medical background comes through haha. It's fun when he talks with Hakka (former med student) and they get yucky with it.
It's a shame that Shinri is allergic to collabs because I also want to see them talk one on one. I feel like they'd make interesting conversation.

No. 397235

>>397221
dude is trying to hard to play a character that isnt his true nature. i dont think he's a bad guy but he needs to find something that isnt just a bad mix of Shinri and Vespers personality traits.

No. 397290

>>397235
He'd probably do much better than he's doing now if he just went along with something closer to his PL's persona. The BFE thing in Holo when he wasn't even doing it before feels like a cheap cash grab.
He has the lowest earnings, least hours streamed by a mile (Jurard, Tavi, and Ruze all hover around the same amount), and competes with Tavi for some of the worst viewership despite not having Tavi's obvious debuffs (excluding Tavi reaching all-time highs for the gen when he does karaoke). I don't get why his manager hasn't at least stepped in to say they need to switch up what isn't working.
IIRC he has Hakka's manager, and Hakka hasn't had issues. And for a while he shared a manager with Jurard too. So his managers have good track records.

No. 397298

>>397051
Goldbullet's casting will forever stand in as a "what if someone better had that model instead?" question. I know that we're talking about vtubers of all things but he comes off as genuinely lower consciousness and it's like everyone else in Holostars struggles to remember his existence or what they've ever done or talked about with him. Jurard is a loud and brash retard but still has some amounts of ambition

No. 397306

>>397203
>with his health idk if he can perform if Armis gets their 3D one day
Fulgur Ovid from Niji has health problems that prevent him from even taking flights but they included him in their 3D concert (in 2D form). He also didn't sing but he was in his group's downtime entertainment sections between performances so I don't think it'll be a big issue for Goldbullet. I was avoiding him since the DM leaks, good to know I wasn't missing out on anything kek
>>397298
>what if someone better had that model instead?
I'm starting to think both Holo and Niji are choosing safer/tamer options instead of ones with creative spirits lately because "wild" ones in EN don't fit the JP company style. They must have been scarred by the two that got away already while choosing Armis. I don't know if anyone else agrees. It's why Holojustice felt like a revival of sorts with so many unique talents. Rrat warning: Not to beat a dead horse but Kunai still hasn't streamed in over a month, and hasn't streamed regularly for even longer with no notice or whatsoever. She hasn't even been in Niji for a year, they're definitely choosing talents with no aspirations or goals out of fear that better ones will leave to get better opportunities imo.

No. 397310

>>397306
Eh, Niji's 3D affairs tend to be a lot less demanding on the part of the liver than it is for Hololive talents. I'm not sure about that. Because he's been caught in a lot of smaller lies, I'm always left wondering if he lied to management about his health in the interview process.
I feel bad for Kademama. She seems to like Goldbullet enough but she deserves a son who's going to like… actually go places with the gorgeous model she designed.
On your second points, I think Niji's hires have been a result of their talent pool drying up. I wouldn't really agree with your theory on the point of Armis either, all four members have done interesting things that fill the gap left behind by Magni and Vesper, including Goldbullet (although every time he does something out of the box, it usually involves copyright striking because he's retarded).
I think Magni and Vesper's legacy gets inflated a lot because of them being part of the first gen with a lot of hopes and eyes on them. But subsequent members have offered things of equally unique worth. I don't even feel like I'm being generous in saying that.

No. 397375

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What vtuber mamas/papas or fanartists do you like?
I always think Mamaloni's art is so cute. It's probably too fetishy or coomerish for a lot of people. But I think it's kind of cool to see unabashed lesbian art from a lesbian artist. And somehow it has a lot of shoujo charm to me.

No. 397376

>>397310
>wondering if he lied to management about his health in the interview process
i've been wondering it too but also i can't help but wonder if his health problems are even as bad as he says, at times it feels like he talks about his health in a specific way to gather pitypoints. compare it to axel who took a small leave to get fully checked out after being sick enough to cough blood as well and only told about it after he knew it was nothing serious.

No. 397481

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>>397375
Nah, I agree. I love mamaloni, I don't care what anybody says!
I think Pako is one of my favorite fanartists/papas, it's a shame he can't get a child to stick around! He clearly loves vtubers a lot, regardless of what your opinion on his designs are.
Senzaki mama is also high up there for me. Woman knows what the Bettelion want to see.

No. 397483

>>397376
>at times it feels like he talks about his health in a specific way to gather pitypoints
Oh, totally. I'm glad to see nonnas honestly discussing GB here because it's such a touchy subject everywhere else even though the numbers and the departure of sveeral of his longtime fans from the fanbase show something's off.

No. 397527

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>>397481
Pakoooo! As an FGO player I've come to love him even more. I'm so sad that his vtuber children are cursed.
Some of his art of male characters is surprisingly hot, too. Would recommend.

No. 397581

>>397527
I know Sana's design got shat on way more often than Vesper's redesign but I still really love her. The design was cute even if the model itself didn't showcase it well…

No. 397619

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I feel so bad for the Niji fans attending AX this year

No. 397645

>>397376
In a way I can't help but kinda think of GB as like an opposite to Kagami Kira. He had health problems that made it too difficult to continue on with Holostars at the time, but didn't make any pity parties out of it from what I've seen and was confident in his individual niche. And he left a clear impression on the genmates closest to him

No. 397673

>>397481
Nonna when did that set sold? That daki is precious do you have the full picture?

No. 397688

>>397673
Holopro contacted her and told her she cant sell them

No. 397771

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>>397581
I think Sana's model was super cute. It gives me the feeling of a 90s or 2000s handpainted anime cel. I'll die on this hill!

No. 398149

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Our Queen is beautiful even on a rebroadcast.

No. 398155

>>397771
For some reason her designed always reminded me of Oh My Goddess. I loved her kimono outfit, too.

No. 398156

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>>398149
i miss my wife, tails

No. 398500

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1dwlphx/suisei_x_akb48_soiree_on_the_music_day_2024/

More unicorns incoming. I'm happy for Suisei. I'll just never forget AKB48 as the group where an idol was demoted for having a boyfriend and shaved her own head to apologize.

It's the same as FWMC: good times, but I'm out before the unicorns take over.

No. 398506

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No. 398513

>>398500
Suisei has always been veocally anti gachikoi, I think you'll be fine sticking around.

No. 398520

Ngl I am bothered by Fuwamoco getting nendoroids and PUPs before so many other members who have been pending for years and nothing

No. 398578

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>>398520
It's super weird. Council doesn't have a single PUP announced and nobody in ID, not even Kobo, has a PUP or a nendo. You'd expect Fauna, Mumei or even the few JP girls without one to get a PUP before them but apparently not.

No. 398581

>>398500
Suisei is one of the few holo JP's that are vocally against unicorns, and is aware of what distress pandering to them can cause to her community. I'm gonna continue trusting and supporting her.

No. 398582

>>398581
>>398513
You guys say this but would she ever mention that she has a boyfriend?

No. 398610

>>398582
i mean this is assuming Suisei is even attracted to men or is interested in dating atm which imo is none of our business as fans to know.
All she mentioned was that people should not gachikoi her because she will never return their feelings. She also collabs with holostars and has them on her lives/participates in theirs so unicorn fans have already left by now.

No. 398652

>>398582
Honestly, I can't blame anyone online for not talking about their partner, whether it's a vtuber or a regular youtuber. Mentioning your partner is just gonna lead to questions like: Who is it? Are they also a streamer? Oh you're broken up now? Why did you break up? Are you sad? When are you gonna date again?
Also could lead to security issues, if people find out you're dating another streamer, that streamer has been doxed before, now you're at risk of being doxed too.
Hell, talking about your family on stream could be a risk. I wanna say Axel from Holostars EN was talking about how his mom is a baker, and eventually he posted a photo of a cake from her website and doxed her. Admittedly, that was a dumb move and real-life photos are risky in general, but hopefully you get what I mean.
Vtubing has to be a balance between playing a character and being your real self, I think, while also being careful about security for yourself and friends/family.

No. 398675

>>398652
That has nothing to do with the reason I asked the question. I agree, they shouldn't for privacy reasons, but she wouldn't say it even if the only downside was hurting incels.

No. 398677

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I arrived 22 minutes late to the stream but there's so many superchats for my wife.. so happy for her

No. 398679

>>398677
>starting a stream with an armis OG song
holy based. And yeah its sweet seeing so much support for her coming in. I usually don't send SC's since I prefer supporting them through merch given that gives them more money, but had to send one today just for her.

No. 398725

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>>398675
I don't really get the point you're trying to make. Is the question whether or not Suisei would theoretically mention having a boyfriend if there was theoretically no security risk but it would theoretically damage her brand as a streamer? And this is somehow a critique on Suisei?

No. 398736

>>398582
I'm gonna be honest with you I don't think this issue applies to Suisei because I just can't see her having a boyfriend ever. Power to her if she gets one but she's the type of autistic woman with a hyperindulgent family member (her sister has always lived with her and takes care of her completely) that never gets married, and she has the privilege of centering her entire life around her autistic special interest or whatever to boot.

No. 398739

>>398610
Not to mention her refusal to pander to men over and over again. Putting the whole "don't make porn of me" thing aside, there are instances of group outfits where her version looks censored (like an undershirt over a typically midriff baring top) because she refuses to lean into fanservice. She has the power to do what she wants within the company and I respect the way she wields it.

No. 398744

>>398739
ehh she didn't say "don't make porn of me" she said "don't put it in my official tag"

No. 398793

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>>398744
Suisei-anti-chan… I don't really get it. This is apparently gonna be a controversial and hot take for some, but I don't think we should be looking for the pinnacle of feminism in women roleplaying anime characters online and playing vidya.
If you're looking for things to nitpick, you're going to find them. If Suisei says "I have a boyfriend" or "Don't make porn of me", you can easily create other arguments, e.g. Do anime characters look vaguely childish? If so, how does that relate to femininity? Are beauty standards so high that women can't be face streamers anymore and must hide behind masks? Is women playing games and being interactive and goofy for superchats a form of virtual prostitution?
Suisei is an ambitious and hardworking lady who sings songs and is a cute anime character. It's not that deep.
I feel happy when I see women enjoy games, and the anime factor makes them extra cute to me. Not even a Suisei stan but come on.

No. 398797

>>398652
>eventually he posted a photo of a cake from her website and doxed her.
sasuga, stay gold, retard boy.

No. 398803

>>398744
imagine anti'ing Suisei. please get your life in order

No. 398806

>>398793
My thoughts exactly…

No. 399083

>>398803
Since petite did that when a make voice was heard on her stream.

No. 399196

what are traits you look for in oshis?
Every oshi i've had so far has graduated before their 1 year was up, and I want to be sure the next person I semi invest in isnt another dud.

No. 399224


No. 399254

>>399224
I second this.
Exceptions may be made if I know their PL. I don't wanna hear about my oshi losing everything they worked for and having by to start over.

No. 399739

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>>399196
(Mixed feelings about the term but) unironically hags make the best oshis

No. 399848

I have nowhere else to vent this because it's pure anti shit but I want FWMC to graduate. I'm sorry. I'm tired of uniscrotes using them as a cudgel against other girls and both of them ignoring the ruffians who do it. it's irksome.

No. 399894

>>399848
Agree completely, it's weird how FWMC try so hard to be Japanese but forget this rule of etiquette.

No. 400139

Thoughts on Gura at the Dodgers game? Feels like containment breaching to me. It makes me cringe…

No. 400140

>>400139
The west has fallen, but unironically.

No. 400156

>>400139
Pretty neat IMO
Probably really weird for anybody that night that was, you know, a normal person though

No. 400192

I know it’d never happen because they bow to unicorns, but I’d love to see a FWMCxBettel1&2 collab for who’s the best twin pair.

No. 400214

>>400139
Would be neat if it was a normal chuuba like Mori instead of a loli

No. 400217

>>400139
why? i get japanese people are obsessed with anime and baseball but americans? im sure most of the boomers were confused why a animated child was singing on screen or they just thought it was promotion for some upcoming movie.

No. 400231

>>400139
kek wtf

No. 400248

>>400217
Dodgers have had unusual collabs like with Blackpink or Hello Kitty. Also AnimeExpo was on at the same time so they thought they could siphon some fans from that and it worked. Four hour queues for merch.

No. 400321

>>400248
Baseball just has a ton of collabs in general due to the length of the season, so there's bound to be some weird ones in there.

No. 400324

>>400139
i miss when anime nerds were bullied

No. 400422

Thoughts on Dino's rant?

No. 400435

This thread has been pretty wholesome and cozy aside from the Selen stuff a few months ago. Anons here are pretty reasonable, even when their tastes don't 100% align. I hope the infighting and drama doesn't come to this thread like some of the other current /m/ threads.(derailing)

No. 400442

hololive is coomslop(shitpost)

No. 400444

>>400442
Anon… only minutes after I posted >>400435

No. 400446

>>400422
Who's Dino? What rant?

No. 400451

>>400446
Jurard in his member stream talked about the ridiculous twitter reactions he gets whenever he interacts with the girls or wishes them HBD and then proceeded to make fun of these 'unicorns'. The 4ch unicorns clipped this section and have been melting down and seething for the past 12 hours.

No. 400452

>>400451
They should keep seething kek wish it was common practice to publicly shame /vt/ incels

No. 400458

>>400451
The way in which he implied he can do whatever he wants with the girls outside collabs was pretty icky, especially since he apparently made that slimy reply to Iron Mouse with the sole purpose of doing "hate marketing", plus his whole "your hate only makes me stronger" was very cringy

No. 400529

>>400422
He should have reserved that rant for a higher membership tier if he was gonna do it. Also bad phrasing again like the time he made it sound like he was an Ollie nepo hire, the way he kept making it sound like he was super intentionally baiting was inconsiderate of how things would reflect on ERB and his branchmates. I like Jurard well enough but he's genuinely so retarded sometimes.

No. 400588

>>400422
gives me dramafag vibes like Vesper with the whole "negative attention is good attention thing". How about focus on not making being part of your fanbase stressful?
Never really liked his vibes anyways pre debut but i'll just avoid any collabs ERB has with him now.

No. 400613

>>400458
>The way in which he implied he can do whatever he wants with the girls outside collabs was pretty icky
it comes off as a moid going on an ego trip and using women that are unwilling to risk their brands to get a one up on delusional moids that he shouldn't even be paying attention to in the first place.
Holostars need to get better at not letting schizo drama affect their actual streams whether its membership or public.

No. 400636

>>400588
You're right, it feels exactly like Vesper's stupid baiting era. Wow Armis is just like Tempus MagVes again

No. 400645

>>400636
i like ruze's worldbuilding streams and some gibby when he's playing a game i like from time to time. for the most part im indifferent to Armis s a whole, but the branch was doing well with not attracting dramafag attention after magnoir left until Jurard debuted.
i mostly watch girls nowadaays after falling off HQ/VG so not my issue to deal with at the end of the day. Just as an ex vestie that dropped him after the anniversary stream fiasco, having an oshi that gloats about pwning the haters is a red flag.

No. 400656

>>400645
I like Octavio and Ruze. Jurard needs severe wrangling and Gibby needs to graduate because I find him cringe and unwatchable to the point I drop any collab he enters.

No. 400741

>>400645
He did what? When?

No. 400801

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Really not looking forward to the slew of unicorn posts this week nor the shameless dramatubers who are going to hop on it like vultures. I just wish he never said anything at all, now unicorns and predditors are going to use HIS yab as ammo to harass everyone else. God he's so retarded.

No. 400808

>>400801
I don't get why yall are blaming him, unicorns should be provoked and shamed and made uncomfortable in the vtubing space

No. 400817

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>>398793
>>398803
i’m not anti-ing her kek i am literally just quoting what she said verbatim

No. 400818

>>400808
Most streamers benefit from them. A lot. Especially at Hololive, where they try to get their oshis to not interact with women who interact with men.
I agree with you. But I'm sure there are people who will do anything for money. Plus, there are people who don't want drama but think it's somehow the streamers' fault for not wanting to deal with unicorns.
Personally, I don't think its his problem if it's in membership. If someone is paying for his content (or if his fans are leaking it) to hate on it, that just proves his point about unicorns. He's technically not wrong. Many of them are friends that he's known from before Holostars so asking them to not be friends is a lot. And all the people complaining about bad publicity tend to forget that MagVes did well enough to be confident about leaving.
HoloID was once described as anti-unicorn. English speaking streamers above a certain age naturally gravitate towards other women and don't want their guy friends or boyfriend dragged in. Those video's do well.
It'll increase his numbers whole negatively affecting the girls he intracts with. As Kiara pointed out, the guys are doing great but she wants to do her own thing. Calli got a lot of backlash for dissing idol culture until eventually she stopped and gave in.
This is a job. IMO, not being forced to interact with men beyond work sounds great, but it's annoying when your audience makes it a problem or hinders your choices. The girls with highest unicorn fanbase seem to be FWMC and that's a bit too much for me, but it's their chosen direction.
Vtuber crowd is like the crowd that watches e-girls but worse. E-girls can choose to talk about their relationships, but it's less likely (nearly impossible) for Vtubers. Unicorns go out of their way to hate, so the easiest thing to do is not acknowledge them and make your own decisions. They don't deserve acknowledgment at all.

No. 400843

>>400808
Nah it’s way too normalized for moids to reap benefits from women and then switching up, thinking themselves above those women. Only moids are allowed to bitch and moan and still have female paypigs support. Until all male unicorns are dead, moid tubers must suffer too.

No. 400864

>>400808
I wouldve defended him if he was saying happy birthdays and stuff like that just to be nice but using it aas a way to provoke drama and get more views soured me a lot on his intentions when it comes to doing shit like that now. I guess I naturally have a distaste for moids that deliberately use women to prop themselves up.

No. 400867

>>400808
I will never defend a male, especially for choosing to do stupid shit that get unwilling women wrapped up in his drama he chose to engage in.

No. 400876

>>400801
This. I don't think he said anything horrifying but it's clearly hatebait and he even admits it. He doesn't care how it affects other than the haters and him, when in reality riling up incels brings negativity into all of Holostars and fan spaces. I love Holostars JP and EN, they really don't deserve anymore hardships, Jurard inviting hate intentionally is disrespectful to everyone he works with.

No. 400877

>>400817
Don’t be retarded, Nonna. She said she doesn’t want to see it, of course she doesn’t want to be sexualized but realizes there’s no way to stop it. If anything, it makes it worse.

No. 400897

>>400817
Anon, there are plenty of vtubers, Japanese and western, who eagerly and openly encourage lewd artwork of themselves and even make streams about it. Bringing up Suisei is not making whatever point you think you're making.

No. 400901

>>400876
its sad HQ/VG was really starting to become peaceful after magnoir left. seemed like holostars EN was finding its groove again just to get another dramabaiter that will bring negative attention to the branch again. The only people that are gonna want to watch vtubers that "hate market" are phaseconnect weirdos that infiltrate and make communities hostile for no reason.

No. 400908

>>400843
>Nah it’s way too normalized for moids to reap benefits from women and then switching up, thinking themselves above those women
This. Kronii and Mori stuck their necks out for Vesper and Magni, and those retards did nothing but dramafag on their own channels to "own the haters", and fucked off anyways. I wonder how bad everything went down behind the scenes, because Mori doesn't mention holostars anymore and Kronii even has the word "Vesper" banned from chat.
At best, most male vtubers are leeches and at worst they are sexpest, it's why I stopped watching male vtubers completely

No. 400917

>>400908
I dont like Jurard, Magni or Vesper at all but "sexpests"? you sound like you rolled right out of /vt/ lmao.

No. 400921

>>400917
Normalization of /vt/fags on social media during Niji-apocalypse was a mistake now they're exposing themselves everywhere

No. 400927

>>400808
Because his retarded rant is reflecting poorly on the good faith of a woman who went out on a limb to interact with the Stars and it's not the first time he's endangered a female coworker's reputation (not with unicorns, but literally just in general) with inflammatory remarks.

No. 400929

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>>400908
Anon his name is likely banned due to the unicorn (and Babski) meltdowns that ensued whenever she collabed with Vesper. Mori is busy and she was literally in a rust server with multiple male nijis/streamers two months ago, collaborations with "sexpests" aren't off the table. anons hating men here does not equal as an acceptance to your kind of faggotry, go back.

No. 400930

>>400897
Honeatly don't know why she watches vtubers, especially Hololive, at all if Suisei is enough for her to get up in arms.

No. 400931

>>400917
>>400929
NTA but she didn't call any of the Stars sexpests, she was talking about male vtubers in general frequently being sexpests which isn't untrue. Just look at how Niji has multiple proven sexpests among its males.

No. 400932

>>400931
>defending himself after being called out for being a /vt/ moid
go back(scrotefoiling)

No. 400935

>>400932
Literally not me but okay.

No. 400941

>>400931
It's not untrue, but it's /vt/ speak and if the deleted threads on /w/ are anything to go by then it rightfully made me and other anons raise a brow. My main issue anyway is that she's implying that Mori and Kronii initially distanced themselves because of soured friendships and not what actually happened, which was unicorns throwing tantrums en masse. Even more suspicious is implying that Mori doesn't mention stars anymore due to Magnoir being problematic dramafags when she recently interacted with JP livers from Nijisanji along with Aruran, who was also in the VCR rust server. Maybe I'm jumping the gun but language like that is still suspicious to me imo.

No. 400960

>>400941
This doesn't make sense to me though? If you're saying it was because of unicorns and not some interpersonal issues, then it doesn't make sense that she's continued to interact with males outside of StarsEN. I'm not taking either side and I do think this is an impossible subject given we'll never really know what happened with MagNoir behind the scenes, but you're contradicting yourself.

No. 400966

>>400817
>>I don't really want to see that
You do realise that purityfagging isn't something vtuber fans encourage or think is admirable. She isn't doing it to appease anyone or to seem innocent and garner attention from it. She's putting it as lightly as is acceptable, from the position of somebody like herself. Her moid fans (and unfortunately some female fans as well) are degenerates who will sexualise her endlessly and she's clearly uncomfortable with it. If it's not in the official tag, she has a smaller chance of coming across it, but she can't forbid anyone from doing it; if anything, being against it would definitely make it worse and I'm certain she's aware of that. So of course she's not gonna say "don't draw porn of me you retards" outright.
>>400929
>picrel
fucking kek, moid patheticness truly knows no bounds

No. 400979

>>400960
My problem is that anon blatantly left out the other half of the story that contributed to Mori and Kronii's distancing, which were unicorns. I do believe they had interpersonal issues, I'm not doubting that, but she spoke as if that was solely it. Like I said Vesper's name wasn't banned from Kronii's chat due to bad blood, it was because of unicorns, and it likely remains banned due to them; otherwise I do believe Kronii distanced herself because of her gachis and possible behind the scenes incidents. In Calli's case it's harder to believe that she's ignoring StarsEN as a whole over Magnoir being dramafags when everyone knows that she's a busy person and that talents regularly go months without collabing with each other. Bae for instance hasn't collabed with Bettel for 6 months, but that doesn't mean she's not friends with him or vice versa. It's just strange to think that since someone hasn't interacted with their co-worker for a while it means they're on bad terms when the reality is that it could be a multitude of things.

No. 401045

Sorry for doxxfagging but I'm super uncharitable to Jurard in the current situation because I know his deep PL details and he really just comes off as an overprivileged and entitled (dude is conventionally attractive, from a very rich family, attended one of the best schools in his country, and had an internship with the largest media companies in his country) man thinking he can get away with anything. He puts on an act of retardation but I think more than anything it's just him being arrogant and thinking he should be allowed to do whatever without considering the consequences to peers who can't just fall back on daddy's money if the vtubing thing doesn't work out.

No. 401050

>>401045
Why do I remember him joking about Hex having a rich kid accent? I don't know much about it but apparently you can tell when a filipino is rich based on the way they speak because they grew up speaking english more or something. So is he the same as Hex? There's no anti pl talk rule here so I wish we talked more about it, I like seeing tidbits like this that explain their behavior

No. 401073

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>>401045
>attended one of the best schools in his country
Yet he's stupid enough to acknowledge unicorns and taunt them. lord have mercy, I'm praying that my oshi doesn't interact with him anymore. that information is eye-opening.

No. 401216

>>401045
You can post PL pictures here, Nonna. Yes, it is a request kek.

No. 401224

>>401073
Yes, because he was a communications major (hence the media internship) and calls it "hate marketing" kek
>>401216
I didn't save them when they were posted and his photos are really overprotectuvely guarded by fans on account of them being found through invasive means (not posted on any public accounts but rather a personal FB account including his IRL friends and family). This same instance is how we know he's also a twin though, he's just not public about it the way Bettel is.

No. 401227

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>>401216
>>401224
Never thought I'd be reposting this anywhere yet here I am. here you go anons. Hopefully I don't get banned kek

No. 401269

>>401227
Kek ty nonna, iirc the orig dump had other pictures of him at the gym and stuff

No. 401318

>>401050
I want more pl talk too! But mostly Biboo and Justice.

No. 401319

>>401227
Is it just asian fetishists that find this guy attractive? Cause he’s like the definition of mid. I guess the money effect is real.

No. 401320

>>401319
I'm Asian. He's okay. I'm sure the money will turn that into him being insanely attractive to many. I have a question though: are those lips considered a beauty standard somewhere in Asia? It makes me think of the Kardashians.

No. 401322

>>401227
mid, just normal

>>401224
Damn, what’s up with all the twin vtubers?

No. 401325

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>>401320
I’m asian too nona, it’s giving Chigyu

No. 401329

Who's you guys' favorite itty bitty indie Vtuber? Like an indie who's got maybe 90 viewers max per stream.for me it's Mozumi Pichi

No. 401338

>>401319
He looks better than Altare and Axel do at least. He's at least average but I'm forever baffled by doxxnonnas gushing over how kpop idol handsome they are.

No. 401339

>>401329
Is she actually watchable? All I know about her are those caps of her talking about how she's sexually frustrated and a hikki so her audience is her only outlet for her loneliness.

No. 401340

>>401339
Imo she's best when she's collabing she's a lot more pandery on her own.

No. 401362

>>401329
For me it’s Ashton Marten. I recognize a lot of her content is thanks to the money she spent but she’s also a hard worker, is cheerful and sweet. Panders at times but I don’t have a girlfriend so I don’t despise some tasteful GFE, it warms my cold ice heart kek.
I love her theme and branding, too.

No. 401375

>>401329
I love Ashton Marten. Been watching her since debut and she's grown so much.
I also like VividlyVivi too.

No. 401424

I can’t shake the feeling that most HoloEN girls aren’t streaming at all because they hate the vtuber audience.
I don’t think that’s laziness, instead no drive to improve and grind for a bunch of loser incels that will talk shit about your friends and pick fights everywhere, calling you a whore and a bitch.
I can totally imagine getting burnt out on your fans, not your job.

No. 401445

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>>401424
I dont know if it's true because I honestly haven't kept up with HoloEN streams, but I've heard that they have a ridiculous number of meetings to go to. Like, they have to be present at meetings entirely in Japanese in the middle of the night in the western hemisphere.
Also idk if Stars and HoloEN have vastly different management, but I remember Magni saying most of his creative stream ideas were shut down. I could see it getting tiring if you want to experiment with content, and you're always told no. Same thing with never getting game perms you want.
I miss Magni. He was pretty funny and creative before all the drama happened. I have no interest in what he's doing now, he seems like he's fallen off.

No. 401460

>>401445
makes sense the girls would have insane amounts of meetings since they have more sponsorship/merch/concert activities than the guys do or ever will.

>>401424
did you see Mumei's stream the other day? She was talking about traveling to Japan to do her 3d bday live and appearances in other 3D lives too. Seems like most of the girls have issues with balancing all their work (though they get it done at the end of the day). Thats why holos that tend to stream long hours (like Kaela or Koyori for ex.) are applauded because it usually means their organizational skills are extremely good.

No. 401524

How much does work ethic matter to you in an oshi?
Mine's fallen off and gets lots of complaints re:frequency of streams, but to be honest… I was always a VOD watcher and her current rate of uploads is a lot easier for me to keep up with, so I actually prefer it. I don't think I could migrate to a new kamioshi even if it did bother me, because she's the only one I find super entertaining.

No. 401531

>>401524
I expect at least 5 streams a week… It's hard to do if they have a lot of projects going on but I prefer a regular stream schedule to keeping up with announcements and projects. I don't know if this requires more work ethic or less, I know socializing with thousands of people and not one singular person at the same time and carrying the entire "conversation" by yourself can be as hard as offline work.

No. 401563

>>401524
Work ethic matters so much. If their streams are gonna decrease I at least need them to be high effort streams and not the epitome of "clocking in for work" vibes. And I mean work ethic like Suisei with actually getting high quality projects done in the bg to excuse why she doesn't stream as often anymore.
In the end though, I just treat vtubers like regular youtubers/tv shows that run their course. If the content they upload isn't meeting my standards and i'm making too many excuses then I just drop them and move on to someone else that can entertain me. oshi'ing/kami oshi'ing etc. just seems like a tactic to get you to stay with someone who's content you don't really care for out of some weird loyalty.
I made the mistake of oshi'ing someone who I saw a lot of potential in who ended up disappointing me big time with nothing but lazy content and they only get by nowadays because people don't want to cut their losses with them (the whole sunk cost fallacy thing). Literally like watching long running tv show that's jumped the shark years ago, feels like people are only clinging on because they remember how good it used to be.

No. 401595

>>401563
This! I feel this way about Vtubers and also about company shills. If I like someone, I'm probably following them out. I hate when a person leaves and the fans try to brand them as traitors or menhera.
I also agree with >>401424 about vtuber audience, especially with Holo, who set the standard. It posts the best, but it's also likely to cause issues down the line, even for people who don't actively pander. Mikeneko had the thing with her ex, but Suisei had issues after someone speedily heard a male voice in her stream (before she started actually working with males like Roberu). There's a clip of Ao-kun saying that she was told to mention she lives with her parents so she doesn't have a similar issue. I think Koyori also mentioned it once.
If you know that things can easily go South for you over the dumbest things, you'll probably be wary. Plus, in companies like Vshojo/idol, the idol culture isn't enforced anyways. If you're only going to stream games, it's easier to do it from US/Canada than Japan. Same for music cover perms.
The only people who benefit from Hololive are ones getting sponsored or collabing with people they couldn't Collab with without a Japanese company (see: Japanese artists). I now understand what that nonna meant when she said she can't enjoy Vtubers for moral reasons. It's hard to forget when you see oshis being on edge about make interactions. Fuwamoco ruined it for me.
I do watch clips from my old oshis in their new jobs. They're somehow the only ones who kinda keep my attention.
Does anyone else feel like their oshi just… Isn't as interesting anymore? Or walking on eggshells?

No. 401667

>>401531
>>401563
AYRT. Secondary question, how do you two usually watch streams? Are you live watchers, and are you usually devoting your full attention to the streams?
Personally the streams are always just background noise while I work, I rarely even looknat the screen. It's most important to me is how she narrates her activity, whether she's interesting enough just speaking, and whether I find her voice grating.

No. 401800

>>401667
Ayrt. I watch everything fully, not as background noise at all. I usually lose focus that way.

No. 402504

Been wondering why GB has been getting hard dropped and constantly subtweeted by a lot of his BNFs lately and found out it's because after over half a year, he still hadn't delivered on any of his T5 membership content with close to zero communication on the matter.
Dude needs to graduate, I seriously don't understand what he's doing here.

No. 402518

>>402504
How much is a T5 membership in USD? It's expensive in my currency too but it must be even more in USD. I'd love to see him get sued for scamming ngl

No. 402557

>>402504
GB? Gavis Bettel?

No. 402614

>>402518
$99.99 lol
he probably gets away with not putting content out since management doesnt check membership too often. Making concerns public and not paying for that tier anymore would probably be best thing to do for people.

No. 402616

>>402614
Ayrt and damn… If people felt the need to stay at that tier so they can get their reward because there's no way to communicate to the previous members of a certain tier they paid 600 USD at least? Someone needs to at least threaten to sue him or Holopro because this is straight up robbery
>>402557
Goldbullet from Armis

No. 402645

>>402616
And get this: the main sell of his T5 contentwise was getting a single piece of chibi art from him and he hasn't been able to manage that

No. 402650

>>402616
Nah, you only have to tier up once to get the perk, so it's more like $100 for a chibi commission. Which IMO is still ludicrous

No. 402656

>>402650
Yeah but most post the product on the membership community posts, so unless he made everyone give a way to contact them privately he can't give them the product. Flayon was once going to be late to his T3 membership content so he made a google doc only accessible through the link in his membership post and uploaded there so people whose membership expired before he could upload them could still reach them for that month. Maybe he a general link like that but even if he did he's still not delivering the product anyway. If his fans had some backbone they could report his perks and probably get their money back.

No. 402667

Doesn't stream, constant scuff, constantly getting VODs killed with poor planning, and now it's revealed he doesn't even deliver on his highest tiers. What a waste of a good model.

No. 402669

>>402656
I doubt it'll happen when he's cultivated a fanbase of hyper enablers through a mix of heavy BFE pandering, ADHD/health pity begging, and troon virtue signalling.

No. 402999

>>402669
Did anyone on this site even watch him, all I've heard is bad things about him

No. 403007

>>402999
A few of us were really positive on him when he debuted

No. 403297

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Hizaki Gamma from Holostars got terminated? Wow, the impression I remember from whatever I saw of them is that he seemed like the most naturally charismatic Uproar member

No. 403305

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>>403297
NTA but here’s the Google translated version of the statement. I really wonder what happened.

No. 403327

>>403305
It's a termination and not a graduation? I'd say he might have broken NDA but when that happens Holopro usually says it directly. Anyone up to date with Stars JP that saw this coming?

No. 403358

>>403327
It looks like none of their fans saw it coming and he had a waiting room up right before the notice came out

No. 403364

>>403358
Holopro treating stars like shit as always, not letting the fans, his genmates, and probably even him know before they fire him. He doesn't even get a graduation stream despite them making it look like a mutual decision. The Japanese work culture of making the employee apologize and take the blame pisses me off. Not to mention this happening again in HQ anniversary. Can they catch a break? Expecting another batch of terminations for VG anniversary.

No. 403371

>>403305
I'm seeing that apparently he had zero collabs besides two with Uproar after participating in VCR Rust this May from skimming over his channel, since fans pointed out it was uncharacteristic for him to go that long with no collabs with outside vtubers

No. 403420

>>403364
I don't get why people are acting like this is a targeted attack on stars when the Mel situation was closer to this than any of the Stars grads

No. 403434

>>403297 >>403364
Rrat: Cover is sabotaging the really popular ones themselves.
Rushia. Mel. Magni. Vesper. Mel got to say goodbye because she was willing to take all blame. The other 3 probably weren't
>>403420
Can you list all the people who graduated without a stream or got terminated in both branches? My information is limited.

No. 403469

>>403434
It's only Mel on the Hololive side. For the Stars, it's just MagVes (which was an odd situation with a prolonged hiatus prior to their graduation announcement) and now Gamma.
Kagami Kira and Tsukishita Kaoru both graduated without streams, but both graduations were on the request of the streamers themselves. Kagami Kira had been streaming very sporadically for a long time and cited both mental/physical health issues, so it wasn't shocking at all at the time. He was my first oshi (crucify me for my past taste, whatever), so I can confirm from following his PL for quite some time that his reasons for leaving were real. He kind of hung out with other mentally ill femboys (Mashiro from Niji's PL is one of them) and had a history of being unwell, IIRC he had already moved back in with his parents to recuperate by the time his graduation was announced.
Tsukishita Kaoru's reasons for graduation were never really publicly stated, but he had a wife and a teenage stepdaughter and the general rrat is that he graduated because they were (for obvious reasons) not pleased with him larping as a femboy on the internet for $$ kek.
Suzaku could also be counted but his graduation was mostly him not sticking with Stars as a result of their extremely poor reception from audiences in the early days.
Generously, I think only the MagVes and Mel situations can be considered similar to the current situation with Gamma. MagVes don't really count in my books though due to the timeline of events and exceptionally weird circumstances surrounding their sudden departures.

No. 403479

>>403469
Also clarifying in case a Niji autist gets on my case: I know Mashiro isn't an IRL femboy, he's just a guy with an unusually hogh voice who got bullied a lot for it when he was younger. He is, or at least was, good friends wirh Kira on their PLs though.
Kira is an IRL femboy who used to attend competetive gaming events dressed as a girl, post softcore pictures on 2ch, etc, though. I've peaked in the time since I was his fan and IMO I feel like he got more mentally unwell once he hit the wall in his 30s (he was one of the older members of the Stars). Last I checked post-Stars, though, he'd pretty much stopped doing that stuff and mostly streamed using his regular male voice.

No. 403544

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Kek @ Goldbullet catching strays from Gamma's termination
I'm gonna be honest I can't seem to get as emotional over grads and such as seems to be normal for fans? I think it's especially ridiculous when people talk about grieving and treat discussing the person around their coworkers as if they died. I sort if get it for the talents who were close friends with the graduating/terminated member, but at the end of the day they can still talk to that person. And for the rest of the branch or even other branches it's like… Dude, if somebody babied me because Jennifer in accounting who I barely spoke to quit her job it would be ridiculous.

No. 403565

>>403544
oh? this tweet was a dig at goldbullet? thought it was just a schizo vestie still upset about last year. wtf is going on with stars management lol

No. 403583

>>403469
I only knew Rushia, MagVes and Mel. I didn't realise leaving without stand was common. Did anyone else leave a message like the current people seem to?

I say Rushia because I heard that the screw up stream was the only one where you could respond, which isn't something you could normally do in her streams. But unlike her, Mel didn't leak info publically and was willing to apologize to the audience for info getting leaked.
One of Magni's producers had leaked since info for clout, and now he's graduated. I think Zephyriana and Futakuchi Mana did a stream on that, with another person.
I highly doubt Lando would've been willing to apologize in a goodbye stream or tweet. Apart from the possibility of skinwalking, so many high achievers leaving could also be about them wanting more, so I'm surprised there's no rrats about that. Like, comparing contracts to Hololive girls and wanting more or something.
Plus, I know a lot of niji contact terms would be unenforceable in NA, but if Cover has similar terms, they could possibly enforce them in EU or Asia. They can refuse resignations in Japan, for example. Non-disparagement and non-disclosure clauses are par for the course in many companies. I guess I just want to see what those contracts look like. Just one leak.

No. 403595

Anyone knows uproar PL? Especially gamma

No. 403605

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>>403565
Nah, it's about Goldbullet.
Somebody on the other site dug into the public discord server of the Goldie ex-fans and posted this as well. The accusations are wild and should be taken with a grain of salt considering it's Tako (the original insane Vestie that GB got caught DM-ing), but it's interesting milk nonetheless given something like meeting up with fans offline is a new accusation.
An additional timeline note is that May 9th was the last time she was seen on GB's fan discord so whatever caused her and her friends to turn on him was pretty recent, it didn't start with her temporary shadowbanning after the first DM-ing incident.

No. 403606

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No. 403609

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>>403606
Also, >>403583 I don't think there's anything to this "high achievers" rrat. Too many of the big moneymakers have stayed on to contradict this point and we have clear reasons for every other big departure. I wouldn't really count Magni (he did not perform as well as the other boys in his gen numerically, and his dissatisfaction with that due to his obsessive numberfagging has always been a factor), Mel, or the other Stars grads as necessarily being in the high achievers club.

No. 403625

>>403595
Gamma was a very small content creator prior to Stars wiped his PL completely when he joined. If he resurfaces it'll be as something new.

No. 403651

>>403605
Kek Tako wants GB to be terminated? Wasn’t she the one freaking out over getting dms from him and saying he was flirting with her or something

No. 403667

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>>403651
Yeah, TLDR it seems like GB for some retarded reason continued talking with her in DMs up until recently. She then made a strong push to get romantically involved and when she got rejected she turned on him.

No. 403668

>>403667
lol this is insane. Isn’t he gay anyways? I have no proof of this but I and other nonas in past threads assumed so.

No. 403698

>>403667
Doing groupie shit this hard for an e-boy of all things is insane.

No. 403703

idk about you guys but I believe Tako way more over some moid vtuber that cant even stay away from his fans in DMs.
People keep calling GB a "naive little boy that wants to be friends with his chat UwU" , but he's a grown man with a professional job that should've known better than to even test that boundary.
Its weird that all these excuses are rolled out for him, but with a woman that's mentally ill she's at fault for the entire situation occurring.

No. 403714

>>403668
He's always said bi

No. 403715

>>403703
100% agree. There are way too many suspect details here for it to be passed off as "oh Tako is being insane again".

No. 403725

>>403715
as someone that's had a mentally ill friend in that past that was preyed on by moids in higher social positions than her, this whole situation is giving me an ick especially when people keep calling Tako a mentally unwell bitch that shouldn't be believed.
Unless there's been situations documented in the past of her falsely accusing people of terrible crimes her worst crime ATM is just being a parasocial fangirl that annoys people.
I'm gonna believe her over a guy that has some form of accusation already thrown at him from his pre stars identity.

No. 403752

>>403725
Also the woobifying of this upper 20s moid is ridiculous. There are people genuinely asserting that she was actually the one manipulating him?
Also the timeline puts more blame on him than a mentally unwell woman who already made it obvious what her pattern of behavior is. Why the hell would he stay in contact with her if he didn't have ulterior motives? I really doubt it's what his defenders are saying, "oh she threatened him with her unwellness", he's not an indie, he has managers he could escalate the situation to.

No. 403754

>>403725
>>403752
Exactly. No one manipulates a well adjusted person in the first place, her being mentally ill is just another reason why he would target her specifically.

No. 403775

>>403754
And look how well it's working for him– everybody is calling this just another one of her psychotic episodes (ignore the fact that none of this shows the hallmarks of one) and disparaging her as an individual. It's all so painfully classic kek

No. 403778

>>403775
its so gross seeing stuff like this play out in real time in front of you. actual abuse of power gets covered up but people will blow a fuse and obsess forever because someone missed a collab one time.

No. 403849

>>403609
I just saw the subs from graduation and in general, Gen 1 had about twice the subs of Gen 2. If you have exact numbers from graduations, let me know.
And saying biggest moneymakers haven't left is like saying most of Luxiem haven't left Nijisanji. The people who I listed were the first gen members in their departments.
I said that because I recall one person mentioning that usually you can't rewind Rushia's streams but you could in that one incident. Mel was the only person allowed to tweet and the others were unlikely to be that positive to the company at that point.
I guess the only normal EN graduation was Sana. Official reasoning was her being sick and one of the listed unofficial reasons was being forbidden from earning money from being an artist in a gacha game. Now, I see a bit of negative pushback of anyone mentions space in Promise videos.

No. 403926

>>403605
This guy is going around dm-ing and talking one on one to individual fans over a period of multiple months he knows are the obsessive type? Horrible vibes. I wonder if management would find something that makes termination necessary simply by asking some questions to his biggest or former fans

No. 403947

>>403926
The failure to deliver his T5 perks for over half a year and constant health breaks, only coming back to get VODs struck down for breaking rules, should be grounds enough for investigation. With this scandal added in I can't imagine why he's still around.

No. 403948

>>403849
>one of the listed unofficial reasons was being forbidden from earning money from being an artist in a gacha game
No? The unofficial reason is that she, unlike Ina, wanted to put illustration first as her main career, which Holo activites would not permit timewise. She didn't want to do art on stream, and you need perms to draw anything but Holo content on stream to add to that, so it was an inideal situation for somebody whose passions lay somewhere else.

No. 403961

>>403948
>wanted to put illustration first as her main career
Which she couldn't while in Holo. Considering his little done green 1 members stream, it shouldn't have been an issue what she did in her off time. A lot of girls stream as their alts on occasion. Hers barely leads to direct competition with the company or risks IP. Some girls have used the wrong name during alt streams. I think it was CyYu who mentioned that a company (maybe Holo) wanted everything done through them and get a cut and Niji wanted to cut off all options.
>you need perms to draw anything but Holo content on stream
That would explain why the Magni left.

No. 403979

>>401595
>>401424
I was surprised nobody clipped this part of Towa's holotalk where Towa talks about her early struggles with 'unicorns' and how management supported her in spite of the backlash especially since there are a lot of repeated clips of other segments of this stream. BTW, I personally think Kiara did a good job translating her answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOlJjvL1a4s&t=5355

No. 404033

>>403947
bubbies just excusing everything come off as massive enablers. like if it was my oshi that had actual allegations of doing awful shit behind scenes i wouldve dropped him by now.

No. 404085

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R7h8GGbfEnM&t=106s
Temma speaking on Gamma's termination. Seems Gamma did something in his personal life big enough that most of the boys agree with the termination, even if there's no bad blood.(learn to embed)

No. 404109

Of course temma is the best at self management lol. Out of all Stars that still have active PL, it’s only him that can do both successfully

No. 404137

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Magni/Professor Lando is going to redebut. I have to say, I'm glad that he didn't go with his ugly femboy catboy monstrosity like he initially planned a while back.

https://x.com/CaspurrVT/status/1815138455288258580

No. 404148

>>404137
He looks like an adult flayon lol

No. 404164

>>404137
that is a miqo'te but a lot better than the alien femboy, you're right

No. 404166

>>404137
looks ok. need to see the rigging for the actual model though

No. 404206

>>404137
Kinda looks like Alastor if he was a generic bishie.

No. 404257

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Rio's comments on the gamma situation.

No. 404282

>>404257
Someone needs to be a big mouth and spill. Knowing the idol industry this could be a lot of things ranging from having a girlfriend to doxxing his friends to outsiders.

No. 404287

>>404282
Girlfriend wouldn't be an issue, it was pretty well known when Astel got one (afaik no longer together, though).
ENside Magni has a longterm girflriend and Octavio is married, I've heard Hakka has a girlfriend as well.

No. 404299

>>404282
dating isnt an issue since one of Cover's earlier statements about the Rushia situation was she was allowed to date whoever she wanted in her private life. Probably something like breaking NDA though.

No. 404554

Man I want to support ERB but her content choices kinda suck major ass for anybody not into karaoke. Same with her collab with the boys end of this week, the game is boring

No. 404685

Twitter and reddit having a meltdown because loli indie vtuber, Shondo, was banned from Twitch. 'She's not sexual!1!!' when this is her content…
Vtubers who look clearly childlike are already sus to me, even when they swear up and down nothing is sexual about them. But this?

No. 404704

>>404257
>will not mentioned him positively on stream in the future
Got damn homie is cold

No. 404712

>>404685
My kamioshi's no.1 flaw is that shes used to be close with shondo…

No. 404715

>>404685
Banned on her birthday too, KEK

No. 404730

>>404685
Thank God kek.

No. 404765

>>404282
I wanna know too. JP idea of justified termination can be pretty skewed, as we saw in the Sayu/Kotoka situation. Cover seems more cool, but at the end of the day, it's still a JP company. Not forgiving gives the impression that it was somehow company/talent related. Could be as simple as not renewing a contract or actively pulling a full GB with fans. There's also PL stuff, which is allowed, but we don't know the extent of.
I recall seeing Demondice say she's happy to have time for streaming and it's very clear that must of their schedules are packed to the point that they don't have the TIME to do PL stuff. A lot of companies assume that having another job means you're not doing enough at your current one. Could be something really petty. Since he's active on PL, some things will come out soon enough.
Was his PL mentioned?

No. 404766

>>404554
Yeah, I’ve been having the same issue. I really love her, and can’t wait for the collab with my kamioshi Gavis but… on one hand is frustrating to witness her lack of chemistry with her gen, she’s not a gamer at all and it shows and it seems like she genuinely doesn’t know anything about “Hololive culture”… which is great on one hand, on the other hand it becomes sort of cringe. It doesn’t help that she’s the only one I like from her gen. Justice was such a let down…

No. 404786

>>404765
I’m guessing it’s NDA related; a lot of the sudden terminations in JP branches almost always point to some kind of major NDA violation. Iirc, Niji JP had a whole wave of their Vtuber Academy project terminated, which was speculated to be because they were loose lipped.

No. 404819

>>404712
Fauna?

No. 404853

>>404765
Oga has a day job and last I heard Izuru was interning in engineering after getting a degree in it (he was attending college most of his Stars career). Temma has pretty full activities on his PL. So that can't be the issue, it's something else.
Rio made it sound like it's something really common sense that he did wrong, which is why the drug rrat is so plausible to people. With East Asian entertainment industries, that's something that'll ruin your reputation (hence Cover maybe firing him but giving grace by not naming what he did) but you won't necessarily go to jail for it.

No. 404854

>>404766
Honestly the other three have really grown on me. I think ERB needs more time though, most who don't "fit in" find their place in time. I just really hope her gaming gets better since that's bread and butter in this role. Karaoke is fun but her schedule is really reliant on karaoke + karaoke reruns.

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>>404853
Those aren't entertainment type jobs which Cover could consider “competing”. Didn't Sana leave to focus on illustration? Raora's art seems to be making fan mascots for her genmate as well. Ina also did some artwork at one point
About drugs: East Asian? Really? Those are the countries with the some of the highest intolerance towards drugs. Did he mention it? Even if he was falsely accused for drug related stuff and got acquitted, there's bound to at least be an arrest. And that information would leak.
>>404786
If it was NDA breach, Cover would just say that, as they did with the girls in the past. It says “breach of responsibility”. Having a second job and not going "above and beyond" while having a part time job would probably qualify. This is what I think of everytime I hear about people leaving their (presumably "contractor") positions at Cover when they have successful careers elsewhere:
https://youtu.be/XdBWEjh5HK8?si=6Te4EatpH1P9CdPP
Cover said it has “become difficult to continue supporting and managing him”. After discussion. And the termination was “mutual”. Considering the nature of Japanese companies (especially entertainment contracts), and also companies in general, isn't "in subordination" more plausible as a reason than "drug abuse"?
http://cover-corp.com/en/news/detail/20240719-01
If you have a successful career, it's foolish to jeopardize that for something like corpo vtubing.
And the slew of carefully crafted goodbyes on Twitter are also an interesting choice. Fans will no longer check the PL of graduated/terminated talent to try and figure out what happened. It's convenient and doesn't make fans wonder what happened and go looking for explanations on platforms or accounts that Cover can't fully control. There's no risk of graduated talents keeping a chunk of the new fanbase when said fanbase goes looking for their statement.
Anyways, my rrat is skinwalking as graduated/terminated talent and making ridiculous demands of said talent.

No. 404930

>>404910
You really type a lot for somebody so painfully out of touch

No. 404967

>>404554
honestly aside from her karaoke i've moved on to Cecilia and Raora, but mainly Raora, for stream content.
Liz really needs to find her groove outside of karaoke, they're fun but until she gets her 3D model or learns how to use OBS to make her layout more interesting it's gonna be kind of bland to watch.
i'll be willing to support her more whenever she gets the hang of what she wants her non singing content to be, but for now im getting "phoning it in" vibes and being someone that's had 2 oshis graduate early Sana and Vesper i'm kind of hypersensitive now to any kind of sign that someone doesn't know what they want in their holo career.

No. 405026

>>404554

Honestly same. I get she's not a gamer by her own admission, but I wish she was at least a bit more curious about trying new games? Or at the very least, if she doesn't want to stream games as much, she really needs to find ideas for more chatty streams. A lot of old Hololive content was fun gimmicky streams, I wish she would take inspo there.

>>404766
Agreed, she seems to be super into Holostars yet out of touch on anything Hololive and the general vibes and culture of EN. But like >>404854 said, she hopefully just needs time to find her place. Reminds me of Calli in a way.

No. 405121

>>405026
she would do well with visual novels imo since it can play into her voice acting ability. VN's are a debuff in hololive but honestly she may as well try out that niche for herself

No. 405235

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TFW you've finally started learning Japanese but both of your favorite JP vtubers (Sasaki Saku and Inugami Korone) have accents you're not keen to pick up on…
Any nonnas have alternative JP chuuba recommendations? I like chuubas who have a preference for older games, have unique humor, and don't make lewdity a huge selling point. Regularity of streaming doesn't matter since I mostly watch VODs.
Also for JP speaking nonnas– is it actually that bad to listen to a ton of Sasaki and Korone, or am I worrying too much?

No. 405246

>>405235
I'm not native Japanese but I'm learning too. Korone has a weird mix of Kansai dialect and a thick rural accent. It's not as strong as when she was starting out but if you're listening to her to learn more it's probably not going to help. Not familiar with Sasaki so I can't comment.

No. 405259

>>405235
Learner here! I love my oshis but they're horrible for learning since their voices are so high/hayakuchi and collabs just overstimulate the shit out of me. Talents whom I find speak pleasantly and do a lot of solo variety gaming content (since I find those streams easiest to follow):
>Lize Helesta
>Oozora Subaru
>Amane Kanata

No. 405288

How is momosuzu nene's japanese for a beginner? Ive always been curious about her

No. 405298

>>405288
Not familiar with her much but I checked out some of her vods. She does use that kawaii accent where they contract syllables and alter the vowels and I think I hear some actual accent too but I'm not good enough to be certain. But overall parse-able for those who're used to that style of speech IMO.

No. 405319

>>405298
>>405259
>>405246
Thanks everybody! Very helpful.

No. 405367

>>405235
>>405259
i think shirayuki tomoe's articulation is clear and doesn't speak as quickly as other japanese streamers. if you're learning how to read too her streams are good for that because she plays games where you need to read text.

No. 405434

>>405246
Where do you place this accent?

No. 405439

>>405235
You can fix your accent later by watching J-Dramas and such. The beginning part should be fun. So watch people you're interested in.
Here's a recommendation.

No. 405443

>>405367
Interesting to know! I did have a crossick phase a few years back, and while I know they don't do that anymore, I liked her a lot. So I'll check her out!
>>405439
This is good perspective, thank you nonna. (Any favorite jdramas?)

No. 405484

>>405367
I love her voice thanks anon

No. 405539

I started watching Selen near the end of her niji career, because anons on here were recommending her.
I only recently started listening to Dokibird. As someone who grew up with Neopets, this stream is so cute.

No. 405549

>>405443
Last live action thing I saw was a movie: Our Secret Diary. My Happy Marriage is also a movie now.
Koisenu Futari was also nice, but it's not as fluffy.
>>405439 is a clip of Novel Tsukamoto (formerly Utako Suzuka), whose voice is pretty clear and easy to understand. And she's a fujo, so I like her.

No. 405707

>>405549
Utako neesan was always a little too much degen for me but it's nice seeing her again! Her grad was another that felt like a "core og member" leaving…

No. 406059

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vtuber "stream teams" are so funny because they clearly just want the clout of being in the clique of a vtuber group but they dont want to shill out the funds to form a company and actually give people incentive to join so they just call themselves a "stream team" and take applications to pretend like theyre hololive or nijisanji and then do shit like kick everyone they accepted into the group out that wasnt part of the original friend group and excusing it by going "hurrrr but were not an actual vtuber group we dont have to be professional" kek

No. 406065

>>406059
Who? On both sides?

No. 406106

>>405539
I was a diehard dragoon and tried watching Doki now and as happy as I am for her, I just wish she tried to move away from her Niji days. Her new skin/model and the use of her old fan name under Niji is a constant reminder of her life there. Idk feels bad because as a fan, I want to separate it since I’d like her to move on. She did great stuff there but part of me wonders if it eats away at her for not being able to fully move on.

No. 406262

>>406059
That happened to me with a “vtuber group” that was taking applications and invited me into their friend group temporarily. Felt bad

No. 406290

>>406106
Surprising take to hear from a fellow Dragoon because I think she's made it pretty clear that keeping the fan name and using the same artist isn't her "hanging on" to her Niji days.
I think keeping the Dragoon fan name is a middle finger to Niji showing them that her fanbase came with her and they can't own that. And her getting a model from the same mama was specifically because she wanted to do right by her mama's design this time, since in Niji she wasn't given many opportunities for recognition through things like merch and collabs.
I guess I get not wanting, as a fan, to be reminded of the bad time she had in Niji but at the end of the day what matters is how she feels about things, and she's clearly moved on positively and isn't living in the past with these choices.

No. 406384

Who said they liked prince vtubers? There's also Rin Penrose, but here's Riinu.
https://m.youtube.com/@riinukun/streams
On another note, did Ao-kun always sound that deep?

No. 406409

>>406384
Her voice and design combi is so unfair lol
Actually curious going on the previous discussion ITT, how are the ReGloss girls for JP learners? I assume Kanade, Raden, and Banchou aren't great for their various reasons (JSL, speaks quickly, Banchou) but what about Ao-kun and Ririka?

No. 406410

>>406384
I think you're referring to >>356915? There's also Oh Jiyu from Nijisanji exKR, she mostly streams in Japanese now. Not really the best singer but vidrel is a based song choice for a female prince-themed vtuber (it's the character song of Hibiki Shikyoin, a female prince-themed idol from the Pretty Rhythm series).

No. 406411

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>>406410
I really love her design, it was exciting when her first alternate outfit was a level-up of the prince theme.

No. 406709

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I usually hate self-marketed "gremlin" vtubers but man Gigi has grown on me so much, enough to go from least to most favorite of her gen for me. She's a perfect combi of genuinely thoughtful/smart, funny, and enthusiastic about improvement. And it's a huge plus that she can actually game without being massively frustrating to watch. Cannot wait to see how she grows in the future, there's only one other girl in Holo I've watched this regularly.

No. 406741

>>393693
i realize i'm very late to this but aside from the overall bland designs (agreed on the hoyoverse comment), Elizabeth looks like irys with a freaking sword. Like that's it, that's the character. Just take one of the proposed drafts for irys' new look, change the face a little, give her a prop and call it good. I kinda hate myself for nitpicking like this without even having watched her yet (work is killing me) but what little i've heard of her so far has been good

No. 406744

>>406741
Oh shit you're right about her design lol.
Honestly I've cooled a lot on ERB since debut, I like that she's anti-unicorn and that she sings well but currently I don't feel she has much going for her beyond that. I find Cece and Gigi to both be much more enjoyable to watch as streamers, I think the level of streaming experience in the gen's PLs stands out a lot right now. ERB got a great leg up with the singing buff but she needs to do more to retain her fans.
For example, her monetization just being yet another milquetoast karaoke while her genmates all came up with something to make the occassion feel more special than a normal stream was just disappointing. I wholly attribute the mediocre supa turnout she got to that.

No. 406898

>>395027
There's also the thing with hitting on/dating/sexting fans, including underage ones.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QcXizfIHVX4&pp=ygUSWmVubGlnaHR2YSBncm9vbWVk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UKVfbKJom5w&pp=ygUPdnR1YmVyIHByZWRhdG9y
In general, there seems to be a lot of predators, both male Vtubers and fleshtubers

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Which ones are good streams with the Bettel twins?

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>>407399
Not embedding because it's a long list of videos. Sorry if there are typos, I'm on mobile.

I tend to prefer the zatsu/zatsu-adjacent streams with them (I don't enjoy watching Bettel play games in general to be honest lol)
>First stream with Bettel 2, Bettel's first bday stream
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9oCtqk0U1Jk&pp=ygUYYmV0dGVsIGJpcnRoZGF5IGJldHRlbCAy
>Twins make a cross country roadtrip to move to Vegas from Florida, recount the experience
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j6mXvLEHjtI&pp=ygUNYmV0dGVsIG1vdmluZw%3D%3D
>The famous August 19th stream, critical Bettel lore
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b6qD7i4tQsU&pp=ygUYZ2F2aXMgYmV0dGVsIGF1Z3VzdCAxOXRo
>Twins forget to call home on Christmas or something (IDR aside from it being funny) and have to defuse family drama on stream
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qtmIolUyWDI&pp=ygUSYmV0dGVsIDIgY2hyaXN0bWFz
>Bettel's 2nd birthday stream, Bettel 2 only appears for a short while on call. Sweet because it takes place while Bettel is in Japan and it's their first birthday apart from each other.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V16Gq4L9GWU&t=0s

The only gaming stream with both of them I really enjoyed was the bomb defusal one, because you see a lot of twin telepathy at play. Genuinely don't think anybody else would have understood the way Bettel tried to explain things in this stream.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1b6Z_ZfJDBM&pp=ygUOYmV0dGVsIGV4cGxvZGU%3D

No. 407418

>>407417
Samefag to add that Twobert also appears very briefly in Bettel's 3D debut, the entirety of his appearance is in vidrel (timestamped). It's fun.

No. 407422

>>407399
It was funny when they were in Wrestletuber together.
Doki chose the pairups through lottery and because of the uneven number of contestants, somebody was going to end up progressing past the first round without having to fight. That person ended up being Bettel, so as a joke, she wrote "Bettel" and "Bettel 2" on the pairup chart without realizing an actual Bettel 2 existed.
Waiting with everybody day-of to see if he'd actually bring his twin was a blast and a lot of the viewers unfamiliar with him apparently didn't realize he'd brought his actual real life twin to the fight.

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Hololive's Aqua is graduating on the 28th of this month.

No. 407682


No. 407684

>>407681
she really grew on me after the Hardcore Minecraft event a few months ago, and she was still her usual goofy self in the recent ARK event. this feels so out of the blue.
>>407682
apparently it's a disagreement with management, though there aren't any specifics

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No. 407729

>>407681
Dang even though I don't typically enjoy that archetype I liked her, she felt like one of the pillars who'd live forever. A few moids will probably kill themselves.

No. 407738

>>407729
Is she the one who left Nijisanji due to alleged bullying and didn't get a single call-in during her graduation stream, causing her to break down crying? Or was it someone else?
>>407685
Inb4 more older/senior talents graduate. A-chan left recently. There was a termination. Now one of the OGs of Hololive is leaving. More wouldn't be surprising. Maybe Cover is purging people.

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>>407738
4chan moids are speculating that it's due to the relations with China, but I'm not so sure.
Unrelated, but pic related
NijisanjiEN going through some more shit.
>Hex posted this under recently graduated NijisanjiID who is now Vshojo's Michi Mochievee
>Below he posts his RM's tweet and change the PFP to one absolutely similar to his current Hex PFP
>His YouTube bio has sick and tired

No. 407743

>>407738
>Is she the one who left Nijisanji due to alleged bullying and didn't get a single call-in during her graduation stream
That's Luna. If you know Honma Himawari or Sasaki Saku, she was genmates with them but only lasted about a year.

No. 407760

>>407740
I think he always had the sick and tired shtick but it wouldn't be surprising for anyone to leave anyway. His fans would definitely follow him and he wouldn't need to share the profits. I guess easy no risk merch is the only issue for nijis who don't share their viewers with anyone else.

No. 407832

>>407740
I don't know about China, but I used to watch Niji a while back. Around the time Sayu got terminated. The clips at the time were about Livers talking up Anycolor, Riku and management. Then a lot of things shifted. With Cover, it feels like a similar shift is happening. After the China announcement, A-Chan left, Gamma got terminated after 2.5 years and now Aqua, who's been there almost since the beginning, is leaving after 6 years. A lot of people will feel like Holo JP in itself is changing.
The only thing fans can see is China, which isn't a small thing for the people who were there when HoloCN "graduations" happened. Could also be a management thing, but Cover has a reasonably tight grip on leaks, so we'll probably never know unless the same thing happens in EN or someone translates clips from JP talents' new lives.
It's one thing when a Holostar leaves after 2.5 years (IMO, that's still a long time to assume it's his fault vs the company's, rather than a disagreement, but I didn't watch him much) It's another thing when one of the OG Hololive talents is also leaving. They both seemed like creative differences to me. And the fact that this happened after the CN announcement and A-chan leaving means a lot.
IIRC, in China, you need to give personal information to stream on Billibilli and the like. A lot of talents who want to stay anonymous might leave if expected to stream on Chinese platforms. They'll become "difficult to manage and support" and will have "creative differences". Not wanting to deal with Chinese antis is definitely a creative difference.

No. 407863

>>407743
I recall watching Himawari's covers, but in not sure I knew Luna. Do you know what her name was back then?

No. 407876

>>407863
she went by Yamiyono Moruru back then. her archives got wiped but here's the last stream she had with Himawari, just a few days before she left. honestly have no idea about the bullying allegations but at the very least these two seemed to get along really well.

No. 407928

>>407685 I'm guessing she found something better. If you're mostly streaming anyways, it's probably easier as an indie. And the fans will follow, probably.

No. 407947

>>407738
The bullying is just rrats from holofans

No. 407950

>>407928
i don't see how there's anything better when suisei and calli are at their peak thanks to being in hololive, with tv appearances and record deals and all that. i've heard tourists say it's because COVER makes her do the idol thing when all she wants is to stream games, but that can't be true because she's also the one who pushed the idol angle more than anyone else in her gen, like having two solo concerts, which is two more solo concerts than everybody else in her gen combined.
quite frankly there are way too many schizoid rrats that you just can't take seriously, and the only concrete reason is 'difference in direction' and also the fact that the hololive she joined six years ago is a whole different beast to the hololive of today. i figure we'll get more information by the time she leaves on the 28th.

No. 407965

>>407947
No? It's literally what happened to Moruru and that information has been circulating since the time she was in Niji since you could provably see the evidence of it one stream kek

No. 407966

Aqua is a case where I'd be genuinely surprised if she resurfaced with a different company. She's always been severely introverted and struggled to be independent and 99% of her development over the years has come from being in Holo with the other girls. I could see her going indie but unless she was the most high level LARPer we've ever seen, it seems unlikely she'd leave Holo for another company.

No. 407968

>>407760
Hex has had insane drama in his fanbase that's escalated to new levels as of late. There's one particular fan that's been faking suicide attempts and sockpuppeting to make it seem like she's been severely bullied by other members of his community. It's some of the most mentally unhinged behavior I've seen from a specific fan since Mysta's heyday.

No. 407969

>>407967
I honestly do think it's as simple as her no longer wanting to keep up with the idol schtick, as you've said. She's a really high profile member who busted her ass hard for Holo and went deep into the idol performance, especially in the early days. For somebody with her personality, I understand that the will to do that wouldn't last forever. Meanwhile, Cover keeps forging deeper into that direction, especially JPside. Retirement makes sense as a result, and she has enough star power to get by financially on her own at this point.
I'm honestly surprised she stayed on as long as she did, I really felt that she and Shion were bound to leave eventually. Although in Shion's case it was more because she seems to have found being in Holo from such a young age to have been genuinely damaging to her development into a normal and mentally sound adult.

No. 407970

>>407950
>i don't see how there's anything better
It's in the video you linked. At 6:00, there's a mention of additional restrictions that didn't exist in the past.
>she's also the one who pushed the idol angle more than anyone else in her gen
And yet, she's not the one getting TV promotions, is she?
>quite frankly there are way too many schizoid rrats that you just can't take seriously
Yep. But you should keep them in mind. They're based on actual facts that you shouldn't just forget.
>hololive she joined six years ago is a whole different beast to the hololive of today
This applies to a lot of companies, actually. They bigger ones get risk adverse and then boring. She's dealing with a mountain of bureaucracy, which would be less of an issue as an indie.
Plus, I've heard the same thing said about Nijisanji.
It's like Doki quitting a company playing Neopets, because she can do that as an indie.
I'm not discarding the Chinese schizo rrat till she streams on Billibilli herself. A lot of creators are not interested in giving out personal info to that company. Considering how long she's been there, she already saw how things went for Haachama and Kson. Somehow, Vox fans from Billibilli got his legal name. This requirement was added after Cover had left China, though, so presumably Cover talents never had to do it.
And about the video you linked:
There's a comment from the clipper themselves about separating graduations from termination. I don't think that means much. If the rules keep changing or increasing, it's only natural that people would break some or refuse to follow the new ones. Plus, some terminations in Cover were treated better than some graduations. For that, whenever possible, I'd recommend watching the people who left or were kicked out to try and get their perspective without the company's moderation.
Unless you want to be an idol or need exposure, being an indie may be better than Hololive atm. Cover has chosen a path and people who don't want to be on it are leaving. What that path is, exactly, is something that may be revealed over time. If it's internal policies and rules, though, we may never find out. Or we may find out after they get a Sayu.

No. 407971

>>407970
>Plus, some terminations in Cover were treated better than some graduations.
I don't think this is true outside of the MagNoir graduations, and in their case (especially through statements Lando has made), it's become evident with time that the cold graduation was a decision on the talent's part, not Cover's.

No. 407979

>>407968
I don't even feel bad for him cause he's been targeting and profiting off of mentally ill women since forever. That's what he gets.

No. 408003

>>407979
AYRT, me neither, the dude is even worse than Vox ever was and if he gets stabbed by one of his psycho fans he'll deserve it for baiting that sort of behavior. He has to be retarded for getting exasperated with this fan behavior when he actively encouraged mentally ill fans to spiral deeper for parasocial profit from day 1.

No. 408011

>>407971
>Only MagVes
Ever heard of Holo CN? They all "graduated".
>cold graduation was the talent's decision
Was it mentioned? I didn't see it. I did hear Lando mention that being indie might be a better decision for him and, more recently, that he still wants to try Vtubing. And Randon, at one point, said he was grateful for his time at the company anyways. But he did what he thought would suit him better.
It just needs to be noted that the people who got to post on their company Twitter accounts were very apologetic and showed no negativity towards the Company.
In a stream with Korekore after her termination, Mikeneko mentioned that she couldn't fully explain herself on the official channels because Hololive wouldn't allow it. (Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yadVEV-f4&t=2633s&pp=2AHJFJACAQ%3D%3D. Summary in comments.)
If it's on platforms that are completely in control of the employer, it's hard to believe as absolute truth. We don't actually get any details except the result. "Contract was terminated" or "They graduated" isn't a reason or details. And we won't know until sometime decides to pull a Sayu and go into details about the exact problems. Rushia did that to some extent. Unfortunately, unlike Doki or Sayu, she got a friend openly involved who wasn't smart about not leaking her information.
Most statements on platforms controlled by Cover are pretty positive. Just apologies to fans.
FYI, Kiara's former coworker mentioned having to change her resignation letter to look a certain way so she'd be allowed to leave.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RRBV41izmUI&pp=ygUvSmFwYW5lc2UgaWRvbCBpbnRlcnZpZXcgam9leSBiaXppbmdlciBhbmltZSBtYW4%3D
20:58 Control over Twitter
25:10 No negativity allowed
29:30 Resignation process
32:20 Control over people after they leave an agency
37:05 Needing approval for content.
38:00 Notice period for leaving.
39:40 "Our rules". I don't think Hololive did a lot of that. Or may we never noticed. They're doing it now with the bureaucracy.
40:45 Gendered expectations and stricter rules for women.
41:15 personal life ("Ao-kun! Just tell people from the beginning that you live at home to avoid a 'male voice' debacle.")
43:45 Expectation to get with no. 1 oshi eventually and perception of purity culture (Any negative connected about FWMC ignoring their male coworkers were removed from the official Hololive channel).
49:30 Very similar to YT - personality over talent
Usually, talent contracts have a clause about following rules, including new ones.
Cover seems to pay them a salary, but their main thing tends to be streaming, and if you can skip the rules and processes and keep all the revenue, being indie may be better. Unless you're the one getting promoted by the company, sticking around may be pointless. Suisei is on TV now, but she was ready to quit at one point. It's also said that Gura and Calli would've graduated a long time ago, but they stuck around for the opportunities. That's why you see them (Calli and Suisei) being understanding of Aqua's decision to leave.
If you're an indie, even if you have staff meetings in between streams, they're working for you. Apart from a lawyer, you don't need to listen to anyone.
Wed know from Kronii that since she initiated, she had to pay for the concert. Do you know who pays for original music? Covers? If it's the talents, they may as well go indie, right?
There's also a mention about underground idols barely lasting a year. The life cycle of a Vtuber is still being discussed. Aqua presumably has 6 years of l savings under her belt. She can leave and be done with at least one issue.

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Have you ever gotten into a game because of your oshi?

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No. 408082

>>408033
>>408011
Tldr:
>Termination and graduation are nearly interchangeable words at Cover.
>Cover controls Twitter and it's normal for JP companies to do that. If they're not skinwalking, they can still push talents to write exactly what they want on it.
>Aqua may be better off as an indie cz there's probably less work & less restrictions for more money.
>Cover can and does support the parasocial behaviour. (See: FWMC)
>For more details on what happened, go find your oshi's PL or next life. They'll say something eventually.

No. 408117

>>408082
I'm curious as to what your point was with this? I feel like everything is pretty well-known and accepted knowledge, aside from the "terminations and graduations are interchangeable", which is debatable. A lot of words for unclear reasons.
Are you making an anti-corpo statement or…?

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Meanwhile multiple talents, including Rin Penrose, will be leaving idol following its acquistion by brave group.
https://x.com/idol_corp/status/1821351568811143420

No. 408164

>>408117
> "terminations and graduations are interchangeable"
This was my point. I thought somehow it wasn't common knowledge, because that's a natural conclusion after CN graduations and I assumed MagVes was just an extension of that.

No. 408166

>>408139
I feel like Idol just became as the best working environment for talents by letting the girls keep their models.
>>356915
Rin is indie soon. She's keeping the model. Idk if the streams will be female oriented though.

No. 408182

>>408139
Kinda cool of them to let them keep the models, even with the revenue sharing for a year. I wonder if this happened a few months ago would Rin have gotten into HoloEn4 instead of ERB as the resident Brituber.

No. 408190

>>407740
His PL PFP has always been that. He actually molded his Hex Niji life to be almost exactly like his PL. that’s why his 2.0 has curly hair, and that’s why his waiting screen is the same water floaty theme as his PL. I watched his PL out of the blue before Niji

Imagine he reincarnates into VShoujo

No. 408194

>>408139
rin was the only good thing about isreal corp- i mean "idol" corp glad shes free. that company was shady as hell

No. 408202

>>408139
>I can watch Rin Penrose without supporting that shitty company
Might be the best vtuber news I've seen all year

No. 408216

>>408138
oh no…anyways

No. 408228

>>408138
I wanted him to rot inside Niji, but still kek good riddance
I can only imagine how dire things are inside the company if its top grifter is leaving

No. 408262

>>408182
Unlikely, she apparently handed in her grad request even prior to knowing about the merger. She seems really solidly to have decided that being an indie with a personal manager suits her best, although she still recommends corpos to chuubas who are more socially driven and interested in idol-adjacent sctivities than her.

No. 408280

>>408164
One of the silliest takes I've seen in response to the Aqua graduation yet.

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>>407970
>And yet, she's not the one getting TV promotions, is she?
and she's the only one who has a visual novel physically released on the Nintendo Switch, and also appears as herself with an actual quest line in Sword Art Online, a series that she loves? if you're implying that she's getting passed over for opportunities in favor of other talents, that's clearly not true.

No. 408361


No. 408365

>>408287
Okay. I'm asking if those opportunities are funded by the company or Aqua and her fans. According to Kronii, if you initiate, you pay. Even the stars have VNs. Ninnisanji VN features Selen too. Just because Cover encourages derivative works doesn't mean they bankroll them.
And more importantly:
>Could she do it without Cover?

No. 408367

>>408190
So get probably retain fans.
>Hex in Vshojo
I hope not. Not near Michi.

No. 408375

>>408361
I don't think there's any point in seriously engaging with somebody who doesn't understand the difference between the CN and MagNoir graduations vs the rest of the Cover graduations and terminations. Utilizing those events the way you have in your previous posts shows you're predisposed to reaches for the sake of some narrative in your head, instead of rationally working in the other direction to draw conclusions from facts. That's the last response you'll be getting from me.

No. 408380

>>408190
I really doubt VShojo will reincarnate Hex. A corpo would have to be unsavory to begin with to invite somebody with a track record like his.
I have a feeling he'll stick to his PL and double down on his usual activities without learning. The way he's continuously emulated his PL's branding as Hex always made it feel like that was his endgame– using Niji to boost his following and then pulling out, taking new fans with him.

No. 408381

>>408287
Just ignore them. Ever since Selen's termination there's been somebody in these threads popping up at any opportunity to vague/concernfag about Cover being some shadowy overlord. You can always recognize them because their posts all ultimately try to normalize Niji's behavior as a corpo.
My personal rrat is that it's the same person who keeps testing every couple months to see whether nonnas are ready to turn on Selen kek their unhinged rants full of tenuous evidence and typing styles are similar

No. 408390

>>408381
You mean the ennafag? or enna herself kek

No. 408400

>>408390
Kek no I'm pretty sure the enna schizo hasn't been around since then

No. 408405

>>408400
Enna is known to sweep for kurosanji and she's proven to visit imageboards like the narc she is like the time she got outed on vt kekk

No. 408408

Is anybody an actual Kronii watcher and able to give context?
I've gotten clips recommended to me over the years about her various health concerns, but surface-level it's all stuff like getting jaw surgery, ribs removed, and weight loss– all of which, together, makes it sound like she's investing a ton in cosmetic stuff. Is that the case or does she just coincidentally have health concerns that align with common cosmetic enhancements?

No. 408426

>>408381
yeah, i've noticed there's this underlying sentiment from the anti-niji folk that ALL corpos are for suckers and that any vtubers are better off as indies, as though the support staff, industry contacts, higher-tech equipment and pre-installed fanbase you can get from a corpo doesn't exist. it's just weird.

No. 408427

>>408408
Can't answer your question but what medical condition necessitates jaw shave and rib removal kek bone cancer? And those are not common plastic surgeries either, they're gangnam unnie tier, was she morbidly obese or something

No. 408431

>>408408
Nonna, I didn't make the connection to cosmetic stuff at all till you mentioned it. I thought she just had shit health. That's what I got from the clips anyways. She mentioned health briefly in one of the clips.
>>408375
You sound like those "educate yourself" people right now who actually have nothing. I wouldn't actually care but I've seen a lot of shit being flung onto people who left their company, immediately after leaving said company, for no real reason (Sayu and Doki are crazy, MagVes are coomers, Tenma is on drugs, Rushia was insane anyways). And making of a whole new thread for Doki's termination when it didn't go pro-company. This has happened primarily with Hololive and Nijisanji. Just because Cover has a relatively tighter grip on leaks doesn't change that it has fired at least one person because they've become "difficult to support", not even actual rule breaking. Being better than Nijisanji doesn't make them the best. Being better than Nijisanji should be bare minimum at this point.
I wonder if there are hardcore company fans here who make every criticism into shilling for the other company, as if nothing else exists apart from the two companies. There are still companies like Tsunderia, Idol, VShojo etc that have allowed talents to graduate with models.
This is a lot like Chinese exit:
>Cover makes a decision
>People who don't agree with the decision leave voluntarily or are forcefully graduated/terminated
Holo CN, MagVes, Mel, Temma, are simply no longer in Cover. The difference between graduation and termination, for the viewers, was a warning and a final stream. Mel and Temma has that. MagVes didn't.
And that's without mentioning the people in >>228392 in >>>/m/194814
It's going to be the second proper graduation in Cover. And some people still had issue with Sana supposedly lying about her reason to leave (health issues).
Aqua's coworkers have already stated that she's frustrated with the new rules.
Inb4 people find a reason to complain about Aqua and her indie form.(infighting)

No. 408496

>>408380
he responded to Michi with his main Niji Twitter account. Kuro replied to Hex’s initial tweet and Vshoujo has all thepeople Hex gets along with (Matara, Kuro, Michi, and IronMouse).

Idk maybe he’s dropping hints. VShoujo now debuting more males ig

No. 408499

>>408431
>Holo CN, MagVes, Mel, Temma, are simply no longer in Cover
Why are you talking out your ass lol you don't even know enough to accurately name departed members

No. 408500

>>408431
Crazy how you type exactly like the persistent schizo on /vt/ who keeps insisting with long essay tier posts that Aqua was secretly terminated

No. 408501

>>408431
>asks for input from actual kronii viewers
>responds with random clip speculation

No. 408503

>>408431
This thread generally sided with Rushia ans Doki (the thread was only moved because of the temporary massive influx of dramabaiting tourists when nyfco concurrently went down), the most discussion Sayu has gotten here is from somebody who allegedly knows her IRL, Lando is literally a coomer, and I have no idea where you've gotten the idea that Temma was the one who was terminated and not Gamma, ignoring the fact that you can't even consistently spell his name correctly. You're operating on amazing levels of incorrect and/or imagined information.

No. 408507

>>408431
I've never seen somebody so autistically hung up on the CN branch kek

No. 408518

>>408503
they also didn't know that this is the THIRD proper graduation… Coco's was the first, and no one blamed her for leaving because everyone knew that her style of content along with the idol side of hololive just didn't mesh well as things moved forward. Today she's doing great as Kson, and a lot of Holomems still keep in touch with her.
If anything, the reaction to Aqua's graduation is a repeat of Coco's three years ago - everyone's sad and hoping she'd stay, but understanding her decision and wishing her the best.

No. 408519

>>408408
Not a regular Kronii watcher, but I doubt she's getting cosmetic surgery. I always got the impression that kronii doesn't like looking "sexy" or too feminine, since her post debut outfits tend to be slightly androgynous ones that cover/nerf her breasts. It seems paradoxical that she would want to desexualize her fictional body, while simultaneously getting extreme cosmetic surgeries for her IRL body.

No. 408564

>>408519
AYRT, that's definitely what gave me pause since that's the impression I got of her as well.

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>>408518
>Coco had a proper graduation
Yes. I'm sure she did. I'm sure Kobo will have one too, if she says "Taiwan" on Billibilli.
Or if there's a video of her criticising Cover and talking about her "past" on her alt.
>>408503
I wasn't attached to Gamma, so I got confused. My bad.
>Rando was a coomer
And Magni wasn't? What was his selling point, apart from the model and the omegaverse references?
>This thread always supported Rushia
Search her name in threads 1 to 4. She was supported against Cover exactly once (in the first thread). Rest is neutral/negative. No one here will pick her ex over her.
>Influx of dramabaiting tourists with Doki
It happened with Mikeneko/Mafumafu too. It always happens around graduations or terminations. Or drama. BPD was frequently mentioned with regards to Mikeneko as well. It's just that no one actually dislikes Dokibird/Selen, BPD or not.
>>408500
>VT says Aqua was secretly terminated
I don't think she was terminated. I think she peacefully signed her exit contract and will focus on the part of her reasoning that doesn't pit her against "best girl" Yagoo too much. Until she reincarnates in VShojo or as an indie, at least.
I made a prediction. More graduations/terminations. Because Cover's new "direction" and "rules" will spark a lot of "creative differences" and make people "difficult to support".
Creative differences doesn't mean much if you're leaving Cover despite wanting to be an idol (as >>407950 implies while mentioning her solo concerts). FYI: it's code for "I don't wanna talk about it, but I'm out". May or may not involve NDA. The point of being here is we get to speculate about "creative differences" without getting sued, as we could've been in Japan.
Image source: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CreativeDifferences

No. 408678

>>408431
>Temma
did chat GPT write this post? how could you be wrong so loudly

No. 408689

>>408667
Lando, not Rando. You're mixing him up with Randon which again makes me wonder why you keep going in so hard on subject matter you clearly have no familiarity with. If you'd been here regularly, you'd also have seen the opinion that Magni was only good because Cover put such heavy restrictions on the shit Lando could do and talk about.
Rushia was heavily defended here when the mafumafu allegations came out– in fact this mighht be the only place I remember seeing multiple people agree that she may have been a victim in the situation. You don't realize this because you've self admitted to only knowing this general's history through present day cursory skimming, which is strange cosidering you repeatedly try to talk asf you're one of us and have been around watching the trends.
Give up. You've fucked up and fallen flat on your face here too many times and revealed yourself as a tourist who not only doesn't understand the general tone of this general, but also barely understands Holo's history. You're not convinving anybody here.

No. 408690

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>>408667
Kek
Anyways eboy gf ao to cleanse the retardation

No. 408691

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No. 408700

>>408690
This is like Nyfco all over again. Will there be thirstposting as well?
>>408689
>Getting a moid's name wrong = you're wrong about everything
>Ignores the Coco Taiwan incident completely
>"Rushia was defended against Mafumafu"
Actually, there were some unsaged posts (presumably from Mafumafu fans) against her. They stood out.
>Ignores 4 threads of people using Rushia's name negatively
>Talks about Holo's history but refuses to acknowledge Cover screwing up with Coco in CN
>"Restrictions are good"
>Ignores clips of Suisei talking about Aqua being annoyed with increased restrictions in Cover and quitting because it wouldn't be resolved
>Calls others tourist while refusing to sage
>>408678
If you have correct information, go ahead and include it.
I see a Company with a new "direction" that won't suit many employees.

No. 408703

>>408138
good grief

No. 408728

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>>408690
Easily the best post in the past month.

No. 408754

>>408700
Gavis bettel sex

No. 408770

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>>408700
Yawn pointless and pedantic

No. 408785

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>>408754
Bettel….

No. 408792

>>408785
Gavis Bettel Ryona…

No. 408857

>>408770
>Pedantic
Kek
Congratulations on learning a new word, nonnie. It doesn't actually fit, FYI. A more accurate description of this situations would be ad hominem.
See you after Aqua reincarnates.

No. 408957

>>408857
>thinks pedantic is some kind of difficult rare word

No. 408960

>>408857
You're literally being pedantic again in this reply kek

No. 409016

Manifesting Rushia/Mikeneko/Nazuna route for Aqua/Rin post reincarnation.

No. 409026

>watch Advent's 3Ds
>It 100% feels like I'm watching Teletubbies with FWMC
I'm still happy for them, but goddamn.
I also couldn't deal with Nerissa's acting part.

No. 409028

>>408957
It is for someone who doesn't understand creative differences kek

No. 409057

>>408960
>>408957
Literally just stop replying to the retarded troll. It was obvious they were trolling when they kept getting basic shit glaringly wrong and it was obvious when they chastised you for using pedantic correctly and then used ad hominem incorrectly. You're just being baited for replies by a lonely retard.

No. 409117

>>409026
I couldn't watch it for more than a few seconds. The 3D really emphasizes how stupid fuwa's bib + boob window combo is, too. I'll probably still watch clips from it anyway since Korone showed up.

No. 409171

>>409117
Oh god, don't get me started on the boob/apron combo. Her breast physics were insane. I think probably one of the worst I've seen (if you exclude Kronii phasing her arm through her breast that one time)

No. 409188

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I'm all about anons watching whatever vtuber they want. I follow some vtubers who are somewhat coomer and probably wouldn't be appreciated here.
But it feels like every few weeks, someone in here comes and acts surprised that FWMC are being coomerish again. Hasn't that… been their whole schtick since debut? Like, the 'protect your smiles' thing? Loving H games and anime? The baby voices? Reposting ecchi fanart despite being sisters?

No. 409217

>>409188
As someone pointed out, they're like Teletubbies for the most part. It feels like a cute, kids friendly thing with sisters and you can lie to yourself that, “Oh! They're so wholesome .”
Then they do something like being completely silent when stars come up (and it was probably planned) plus Cover actually keeps the 'protecting their smiles' comments but deletes anything negative.
Their brand looks and sounds cute till that point. Of course people are suprised. The jokes about marrying then are just jokes until that moment.
>Loving H stuff
Does not makes you a coomer, nonnie.

No. 409223

>>409117
What stood out to me the most was how strange the rigging around mococo's hip/thigh area was. Every time she moved her legs past a certain point the joint physics were just uncanny.

No. 409225

>>409188
I get what you mean but haters are going to hate especially when a notable event like 3D comes up. It is what it is.
Personally I really liked their physicality, I think you can tell they twins have spent a lot of time observing real idols. Their content still really isn't for me, but I do kinda root for them because Holo feels like the place for them– I really can't see them succeeding in life if it weren't for the advent of vtubing and Holo picking them up lol.
Nerissa similarly had super cute 3D mannerisms.

That being said, with a new round of 3D debuts in the mix: what 3D live is your favorite (to all nonnas that frequent this thread)?
I can't consider myself a fan of the boys as I mostky watch the girls, but I think Bettel's is still probably the most impressive one I've watched so far. Just really well scripted and capitalized well on a good entertainer's best aspects, plus he turned outna great vocal performance. My only nitpick would be the lack of decent choreo for an alleged idol but that's not a complaint unique to him.

No. 409250

>>409225
>what 3D live is your favorite
the pole dancing was creative. on debuts i liked polka and her circus theme. always liked her character art and the janked juggling made it

No. 409256

I like the EN-counter thing NijiEN is doing. After all the shit talents had to go through just due to their connection to the NijiEN brand, it must be nice for them to finally get some benefits from the agency aside from 3D models. This one surprised me, I didn't know Claude sounded like that lol

No. 409333

>>409256
If you want a Nijisanji song that actually sounds good, I'll link one. It at least does justice to their vocals.
Compared to Clause's PL covers, this feels like a step down. He should have "just asked" for a better song. If they were gonna make originals, they should've at least let the ones who can sing show off their actual range with some proper singing parts.

No. 409353

>>409225
Agreed. I've got nothing against them (even though I do find their speech patterns cringe, kek) It's just their retarded moid fanbase who pushes this whole "heckin' wholesome doggos" makes them unbearable to watch for me (alongside their desperation to reach a million subscribers by the end of this year for some reason)

No. 409376

>>409353
Same to everything you said. I watch FWMC morning once in a while and do check their stream backlog for the times they showcase games typically rarer to Western audiences. But their fanbase is completely insufferable– Ruffians love to use FWMC to put down other girls in the agency they're allegedly fans of. Moids are so stupidly petty and toxic kek

No. 409377

>>409333
>>409256
IG it's not really his fault but I'm so soured on Claude for not pulling up his genmates with him. He succeeds based on the fact that he already has high-profile friends in Niji as a result of being ex-Hanamori, while the other two members of TTT just wither with close to zero support in any direction.

No. 409383

>>409377
Yeah it's not really anyone's fault since
>age gap with the other two
>gender difference, there's an effect even in online woke spaces
>had already close friendships with others in Niji
>doesn't have any common interests or topics to talk about on or off stream
At the beginning I was worried he would be the one left behind but the other two are left in the dust now. Kunai just soft quit and Victoria streams regularly but doesn't have much of a strong presence in Niji. I wish he would hang out with Victoria as she seems to actually want to work here unlike Kunai but you can't force chemistry on live streams I guess. If they had a debut song (that they sang) they would at least have something they worked on together and the girls would have at least one project under their names. I doubt either of them will be in ENcounter. Even if they don't want to, their managers should push them to join in some projects tbh, at least to get their names out there some more. At least Victoria, I don't know if Kunai will ever stream again. Sorry for the rambling but the state of the newer gens really showed me how NijiEN's earlier waves really pulled themselves up all by themselves. They had more proactive livers when they scouted non streamers somehow.

No. 409389

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Keekihime was assaulted by a stalker during Comiket. Unfortunately he escaped and the police won’t do anything about it.

No. 409392

>>409389
holy shit this is awful. i vaguely remember her talking about a stalker before too, even having some old tweets sort of directed at him/about him like please leave me alone , being scared to be alone at cons etc. you'd think/hope that having so much proof and previous incidents would make it easier to get this guy away from her but unfortunately japanese police are ineffective lazy moids who probably wouldn't take her seriously even if she was japanese. and the fact that comiket is full of moids but it seems like barely anyone tried to help her, they're really wastes of oxygen aren't they

No. 409403

>>409392
Yeah I’m listening to her Twitter space talking about it and she says he held her for a good 10 seconds or so and she felt it was way too long and nobody interfered because they were shocked/confused. The photographer who took these photos said he wondered if they knew each other and regretted hesitating to pull him off of her.

No. 409404

>>409389
It should be legal to shoot men like this

No. 409415

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>>409403
apparently he's also approached her at the airport, has previously tried to kiss her at comiket and has been stalking her since her NND days (aka when she was a teenager). when the airport incident happened the police told her there's nothing they can do unless he does something like attack her with a knife. disgusting. he's well known for going to parties/get togethers and basically wine/dine and dashing too. it's insane how much info and previous offenses are known and this guy still gets to live freely.and of course he privated his twitter when people found him( and has been known for making tons of new accounts to bother her and beg for forgiveness in the past). i wonder if she can get any help from cover, even though this didn't happen to "kiara", the optimist in me hopes she could at least get local help and support from the managers or staff

No. 409417

>>409026
It still doesn't sit right with me how they're still sexual and incestuous while being this infantile.
>>409217
At a point in the VN membership stream they're shown offering a "two for one" deal to the viewer. It's not just the stars thing.
>>409225
Bettel + pole dance collab, hands down.

No. 409423

>>409392
>Even if she was Japanese
I think it would be worse if she was Japanese. At least with gaijin, they need to pretend to care.
https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20201217-ousting-of-councillor-prompts-concern-over-silencing-sexual-assault-victims-in-japan
>>409415
>He's known to dine and dash
Why and how is this information available? Is he a public figure?

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>>409423
i didn't know about this guy until now, but apparently he is a bit infamous since NND days. i saw at least 3 people mention he'd show up uninvited and not pay, and someone in keeki's replies even said he's known for touching dogs butts (?? i'm not entirely sure on that one). most of this is more like info known to people in certain nnd circles, so the only proof is them having pictures of him and alleged stories, but it doesn't seem far fetched since he seems insane

No. 409430

>>409389
This is so fucking upsetting, and I really can't believe she's STILL going through this. There's a horrifying video of her being stalked at her apartment few years back and it was too hard to watch.

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>>409427

samefag, here's one of her followers mentioning the dog butt thing and how her stalker is well known for being a crazy dude. once people put out his name there were a lot of replies basically going oh THAT guy? so i think he has a bit of a reputation even outside of being a disgusting stalker

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>>409217
We can take or leave the word 'coomer', then, but as far as I can tell, since debut, they have pandered toward people who want to have sex with a set of twin sister dog girls. Sorry if that sounds rough but that's been the context to me from day 1.
Maybe it's just because I'm chronically online and grew up watching anime way too young, but to me they're 'innocent' in the way that a lot of eroge will have a cover with happy, smiling anime girls and pink and flowers, and then school uniforms angled up just a liiittle too high. It's 'innocent' in a way that's supposed to encourage depravity.
Look at picrel, this was on their schedule one week and they always post stuff like this. It looks 'innocent' at first glance with the pastel colors, but then you notice the boobs mashed together and the 'come here' hand and so on.
Idk if I sound schizophrenic but I just don't understand when anons come on here and go 'they were so good until the moids ruined them!' A captive moid audience was their endgame from day 1 imo. Anons should watch whoever they want but I can guarantee there's gonna be plenty more pandering and ecchi.

No. 409434

>>409389
She's been talking about this issue for ages and it's insane to me that it just keeps going. I feel so bad for her.

No. 409457

>>409433
Honestly I think the incest is more tolerable than the basic fact of inhabiting a loli avatar like Biboo or Gura but I'm curious how other nonnies feel on the matter.

No. 409464

>>409457
Both are shit.

No. 409504

>>409457
The opposite. Don't mind the loli models at all. Incest is still funny. It's the pandering from both them and Cover staff.

No. 409506

>>409457
I don't like either, but it's funny that Biboo and Gura have more clear, fluent English to me than the dogs. The BAU BAUUUUs and UNN UNN and WUFFIANS makes me wanna sudoku.
and iirc all are born and raised in western English-speaking countries, at least Gura and FWMC are

No. 409518

>>409506
>spoiler
this, plus knowing fwmc are white women in their 30s doing this shtick is something i've never been able to shake. there's a difference between putting on a kawaii anime girl voice and the unintelligible baubau babbling when this is their first language

No. 409570

>>409518
I think it's funny. It's like they see their audience as kids (or pets) and are doing baby talk.

No. 409584

Took me a while to realize Michi has multiple covers.

No. 409585

>>409584
(NSFW)

No. 409616

>>409457
Yeah, no. Absolutely no. I don’t know about Gura, but Biboo is perfectly okay since she doesn’t pander nor coomerfies herself. Having a loli model isn’t an automatic pedopander, I enjoy watching small girls play as if they were my little sisters.
FWMC on the other hand are 30 year olds playing into toddler and innocent stuff while constantly making their tits bounce or insinuate their love for hentai shit. It’s a hundred times more pedopandering than just looking like a little girl playing videogames.(whiteknighting)

No. 409620

>>409616
vtfags fuck off

No. 409625

>>409616
>FWMC are over 30.
>Biboo is also over 30.
>Gura is still in her 20s.
>Boobs ≠ pedopandering
>Loli ≠ little sister
You also gonna accuse teens with boobs of asking for it? Fuck off.
>>409620
She said she didn't ask for it. You got context.

No. 409628

>>409625
>"itz a grown women playing a child!! so its ok!!"
>>Loli ≠ little sister
>as if we all dont know why they use a loli model
rope yourself vtfag(infighting)

No. 409631

>>409620
Your point being…?
>>409625
Take your fucking medicine. A teen with boobs is different from a baby-talking 30 yo showing you her panties and making incest bait.
I don’t care how old they are, we don’t give a pass to coquettes for sexualizing childhood while being almost 30, kek.

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Possibly unpopular opinion but I think some loli characters really lean into the loli archetype, and some just act like normal streamers. The ones who act like normal streamers are okay to me, even if I'd prefer them to have an older model.
Tenma would 100% be a loli if voiced by anyone else. I mean, look at her. The original artist must have been intending for her to be a loli??

No. 409644

>>409640
Its kind of genius how tenma turned a loli model into being a petite adult woman (since it makes sense she's a corporate vtuber and they don't have a say in the model designs) I've never seen any streamer redesign a model like that. as far as I've seen of her she doesn't even lewd her model too which is refreshing and nice.

No. 409667

>>409616
Biboo absolutely infantilizes herself with her speech and the recurring pacifier thing. There's a reason she was listed and models like Anya or Gigi weren't.

No. 409679

>>409667
Now point to me where I said she doesn't infantilizes herself? I said she doesn't panders to coomers.
Pretending to be a child and doing coomer pandering are two different things.(whiteknighting)

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>>409679
>Pretending to be a child and doing coomer pandering are two different things.
How lolcow has fallen that we have retards like these..

No. 409683

>>409679
Right she's just pandering to the audience of adult moids who like to watch very young sounding female children in healthy, non sexual ways

No. 409688

>>409616
how did a vt moid find his way here? kek(scrotefoiling)

No. 409691

>>409683
Is your argument that children characters can’t exist in media adults watch because it’s automatically pedophilic? Holy fuck.
>>409688
“Everyone I don’t agree with is a moid”. Moids love shit like what FWMC shits out, c’mon now.

No. 409695

>>409691
You have to be trolling. In case you're just a lost nyfco tranny, just question why a grown woman whose audience is incels would act like a baby. Fucking retard.

No. 409696

>>409620
Oh wow, that's a lot of something

No. 409698

>>409691
>that children characters can’t exist in media adults watch because it’s automatically pedophilic?
Sure its isn't but not in the case of vtubers when half of her fanbase lewds her and continously makes coomer memes ,Do you really consider us that retarded? that we'd buy that bullshit excuse you pedofag. no vtuber larps as a baby for non fetishitic reasons

No. 409700

>>409698
I’m not even a pebble and don’t watch her besides events, you retard. I just have an issue with people implying everything a woman does is sexual. She has been given a loli model by COVER and she plays her role.
She has no voice in what her fanbase does, it’s not like she’s another Gura liking her porn fanart. If she does then I apologize and shut up, so far there’s no evidence other than an accessory she said she didn’t want and “muh loli model”.

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>>409700
>>409616
>but Biboo is perfectly okay since she doesn’t pander nor coomerfies herself.
Bijou: >>409620
>I’m not even a pebble and don’t watch her besides events
Kek keep malding pedofag

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No. 409811

>>409691
children in adult media are generally not the main character or focus. That's the point. There's a reason there's an uproar about family channels on youtube. at least in this case, sure, it's a grown woman pretending to be a kid and not an actual kid, but that's still gross when you know exactly the way vtuber fan culture operates.

No. 409836

>>409700
She said she didn't ask for the accessory, not that it was unwanted. It was something anticipated by and delivered to her fanbase. And she certainly seems enthusiastic enough about it given how often I've seen her using it. You have to be dense not to connect the way she utilizes her model to the general behaviors of vtuber culture. Like the other nonna said, there's a reason why she's being singled out here and not some of the other Holo girls with similarly young models.
I am curious what nonnas' comparative opinion on Kobo is, though. She similarly uses a young voice in accordance to her models looks, but I don't get as much of a pandering vibe from her. It's not like I believe that's her actual IRL voice and personality, but it does feel more innocently like an annoying younger sibling character. Undecided on whether that's because she collabs with the Stars (notably Altare) which is a pretty direct middle finger to the worst subtype of vtuber fan.

No. 409842

>>409506
I (and I'm East Asian) honestly still don't think they sound like they're affecting Asian accents, which is a stance I hear a lot. I do think they sound like actual babbling retards but I don't think it's deeper than that.

No. 409843

>>409842
It doesn't have to be a race thing. The point is that they're clearly capable of speaking perfectly comprehensible English, especially if you watch videos of their past life, but they choose to talk like they have speech impediments or developmental delay. Fluent meaning correct adult speaker enunciation, not fluent meaning white vs. Asian or whatever.
I think theyre doing it because a lot of weeb males are afraid of intelligent adult women, and prefer docile stupid teen or loli girls, and FWMC knows this. You could argue whether this is a malicious attempt to pander to the pedophile-adjacent, or if they're just emulating what they see in the anime culture they're fond of and think it's cute. Regardless, I don't think they're idiots, and I think their choices and branding are intentional, even if I don't agree with them.

No. 409844

>>409843
Yeah, I don't disagree with anything you've said. I just put in my two cents re: the race angle because I've seen it asserted in these threads before.

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>>409843
I've watched their RM streams and their FWMC accents are definitely played up. In my opinion they become a lot more enjoyable when they're using their semi-normal voices.
>think it's cute
Ally & Sally have been pandering to lolicons and weebs for years so it's likely a mixture of "We love otaku culture" and "We love bottom of the barrel scrote attention", see picrel. They know very well what they're doing but they don't care because they're truly in their element, they get tons of attention from men and they make bank.

No. 409914

>>409836
Yeah, it's interesting with Kobo. It's also hard to make a judgement on her since I've only seen the streams where she speaks English, but it feels like she's acting like a dumb kid but at the same time I don't see her really sexualizing her model so I don't care?

No. 409934

>>409914
Her impression is also allegedly a lot different in Indonesian, I hear her reputation there is more that of a high-tier troll.

No. 409936

>>409836
>Kobo
Well I don't like whole annoying little sister persona since it genuinely annoys me (and its still pandering to the little sister pedofags) and not in a endearing way and I can't watch her anymore considering she admitted to eating shit

No. 409943

>>409936
She admitted to what…

No. 409951

Do people really enjoy listening to Irys' music or…?
I keep hearing praises on her singing yet she reminds me of a more nasal Taylor Swift.