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some people were posting pictures of this girl https://twitter.com/deamarella_p?lang=en
as Anya but without any proof so not so sure about that(unsaged tinfoil)
I've seen a lot of people insist on this but I'm totally not hearing it.
maybe she's just that good.
there were some rumours about a recent hiatus being related to her giving birth around that time.
if that were ever to come out as true I wonder how the fandom would react to that …
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I don't know if this is for real but saw this on twitter (image is not a video despite the PLAY indicator)
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Troontemis has been a theory ever since debut day. Same goes for using bots for those YouTube numbers since the viewers on the debut stream canonically dipped from 11,000 to 5000.
>>124878>>124880>wet clapping sounds means it's real
Is this your first audio porn video? I'm asking seriously.
It'd be another story if the guy is actually heard at some point in the stream, but I'm going by that clip alone.
Why would you "tell" anything from a thumbnail, retard?
It's just otaku having fun in some dumb event, you really think she'd participate in that shit without knowing full well what it's about?
She put herself in that situation anon.
Anyone who thinks that they'll go to a wrestling match with sweaty old men and come out not being humped is an idiot.
Can someone provide some context for this video? Why is she in the ring and why is she being tackled? Hopefully she was paid for this cuz her screams made me legitimately uncomfortable.
As a side note on vtubers, is it too much to ask that people who try to become vtubers at least have some kind of talent? Whether it's gaming, artwork, or voice acting. Seems like even the vtubers that are purely pretty avatars are failing.
So much indie Vtuber drama happened today.
Lyrica quote tweeted Mocca, leaving out pretty much all the context about what they were trying to say, made them out to be the bad guy, indie Vtubers are pretty catty.
Hard to feel bad for a vtuber that obviously tries to make their avatar as childlike as possible while claiming to be a succubus, predicting horny loli uwu voice and cringe act, FBI jokes, "im actually a thousand years old!" etc
Everyone cancelling her is retarded af though, especially the ones who sucked up to her only to cancel her right after because of the drama.
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Looked her up and her design is actually disgusting to me. I can give lolis the benefit of the doubt when they're at least clothed like Gura but this is literally a toddler in lingerie.
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Not OP but people on twitter are fighting over the sexy toddler succubus design. Of course, we have classic comments like, "Some adult women are short and have flat chests!" (because that's totally an adult woman) or "muh Creative FreedomTM"
This tweet from Kyuotto herself is pretty classic. "It's just 2000's anime style guyysss"
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Kiara may not have as many subs, but her simps do be wildin, wtf, 1 mill less subs , but comparable superchat earnings….
I hope she makes it through
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Honestly I'd respect her more if she doubled down on the loli thing, she talked about being "horny" on tweets before and is now claiming she's totally innocent.
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Even Makaino Ririmu's outfits aren't as intimate as this.
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what happened, kek
that quoted tweets though
Idk I'm not normally on the "loli = pedo" boat but there is something incredibly creepy about making a loli character that is a sex demon but instead of being "sexy" she's "too cute and innocent uwu" while the design is revealing with panties.
And if the girl traced and did a bunch of other shit she could be potentially milky. Of course cumbrauns like Dimitri Monroe and Shizu are defending her though.
I'll laugh my ass off if she's actually some wannabe uguu kawaii voiced thot in her debut. Or perhaps it's Himeidol under a new persona kek
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Kyuuto is doing so much damage control on twitter claiming shes "resolved" the art theft issue and it was a long time ago and shes "learned" . its all bullshit, Im talking to the original artist right now, and Nothing was resolved, she never apologized, threatened to sue, and blocked the original artist. its all damage control before her debut.
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>"I dealt with trauma so me playing a loli succubus character and talking about being horny isn't weird at all!"
Omg, she's so progressive, she's giving a voice to repressed people like those with dyed hair or people with birthmarks11!!! I take back my dislike, she is a true beacon of acceptance!
Lmao, what backpeddling. Most people who were sexually abused as a child choose to, uh, get therapy or read self-help books, not portray a sex demon toddler on the internet. Twitterers need to stop acting like "I was abused" is the end to any conversation.
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Somewhat ot, but does anyone else think if your "Totally Legal Petite Adult with Flat Chest" looks like a toddler, maybe you just have shitty art skills? I think it's possible to draw in a cutesy anime art style and still have your character identifiable as not a toddler? Sawako from K-on for example.
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More of Kyuotto's "mama's" work. It's okay, this is a 41 year old housewife with a mortgage, she just happens to have A-cups and be 4'0 tall. Nothin to see here folks.
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Here's mama's model for her own vtuber
I dont believe her nor all the other people in the replies saying they're victims
of CSA but dont feel triggered
by her design. Its scary and disgusting how most of the degens who lewd lolis hate real children too, and are justifying this whole mess by saying media =/= real life.
A bunch of coomer brained 'tards.>>124942
"My platform was meant to be the opposite of what a succubus was" bitch you're STILL a self-proclaimed succubus while looking like a whole child. This makes no fucking sense.
she could have hit the gym or something instead of having those pitiful ass
I've seen hoes doing much more effort than her
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She is having a real-time twitter meltdown with some half-baked apologies. "I was YOUNG and showing my PROGRESS" >>124942
Maybe if your design requires extensive lore to not be mistaken as a sexy toddler, it's not a good design. Food for thought. >>124954
People need to stop using trauma/mental illness as an excuse to do whatever the fuck they want. If you were abused as a child then grow up and make the conscious decision to sexualize kiddies on the internet you're a pretty foul person.
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I havent seen a single death threat, shes backhandedly accusing the artisit of sending death threats, "vile ones"
this particular Vtuber is fucked.
Nijisanji fans don't give a single fuck about Hololive, its western Hololivers being toxic
towards Nijisanji fans. Holos and Niji used to collab fairly often.
Doubt it's China because China doesn't care about HoloEN at all, they only planned on switching to attacking Rushia recently.
Also post at least a screencap instead of saying shit without proofs.
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she called herself a loli. so I'm not sure how she can claim it as "just an artstyle misunderstanding"
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Kiara is stealing Coco's meme review while Coco can't stream for her safety reasons (Chinese found out her, Suisei and Kanata's address and they are threaning to leak it if she goes live).
kiara might've just gotten caught by the auto filter, marine has been getting banned a lot lately too (vid related). banned by association?
although marine talks about being horny a lot.
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You guys can't help but suck at googling.
Chinks are stupid, they were the reason whyHolOCN graduated, so they always shoot in their own foot while thinking how smart they are.
that's got some pretty high levels of "stop bulli me. my dad works at microsoft and he'll ban you!"
no way they have that info and wouldn't post it everywhere.
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does anybody have an archive of this guy's playlist?
apparently he purged his unlisted videos/playlist regarding the past lives of vtubershttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpckILlsGyvln5sAJhthF7Qhttps://archive.is/nCFrq
with the exception of the art theft accusations, all this drama over a model lmao.
the state of indie is a mess. its so much easier just to block and ignore them if you find yourself so triggered
and disgusted. the people canceling over the design are making so much more noise than whats necessary
They really did.
The only accusations that were even worth anything are the art theft ones.
incoming blogpost but why do so many western indie vtubers that are like this care about who their mutuals are following? I've seen so many artist, vtubers, etc. be like "i'm breaking mutuals if you follow xyz" as if at the end of the day it matters. Why do they and mutuals care so much? I can't imagine having to be hyper-aware of who I am following at all times just not to piss one of them off and in fact, if i saw someone threatening to break mutuals over following/supporting someone or something that isn't illegal or straight-up map-apologism (and no, not loli shit I mean actual map-apologism like saying 6-year-olds can/should be able to consent) even if I didn't follow/support the person, I'd break mutuals and block them on principle.
same goes for one vtuber who was saying "if they change their design/do what i want then i'll unblock them". If I was kyoutto, I'd block and keep them blocked. there is 0 reason for anyone like that in the general vicinity of anyone they're saying it to. it screams manipulative and if i was following someone who did that, i'd unfollow and block them.
like i can't imagine being so confident in being that manipulative, petty, performative and vindictive that the loli-bait discourse overshadowed the art theft issue.
You don't know how this kind of thing works. I can drag up your info doesn't mean I'll post it, I'd want either a demand met or to scare you. Unless you're SPECIFICALLY out to hurt someone etc you'd post it then and there as proven by past incidents, it's real enough to prevent her from actually going live.>>125018
It's just the uptick in "LOL PEDOS EVERYONE IS A PEDO EVERYONE IS A SEX PEST ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE MALE" so like, people are on cancel everything even if we have to go beyond petty measures levels of bs. It is LITERALLY just over a model/2D image, you'd think the drama would have been over because they stole the design or something.
sage because samfag but semi relevant linkhttps://twitter.com/IWFhotline/status/1214563611911131136?s=20
and i'm pretty sure they aren't the only organization that has had to deal with the problem of people thinking a 2d image = actual child. i get it, loli bait can be really gross but all of this is just performative and more detrimental than good cause no one will take a pedo accusation seriously anymore>>125025
it gives me flashbacks to when suspect_tweets posted actual censored CSEM because everyone was asking to see it after they said they found it. i wont be surprised if some similar shit happens again but this time in the vtuber community.
I assume Anya has never streamed before?
She gives that vibe in her streams, too many technical difficulties related to streaming
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Turns out this chick does sex work and teaches her audiences to touch their peepees.
Because they’re cosplay thots that switched to a new hobbie after the pandemic cancelled all of their conventions. You ever get involved in the cosplay community? It’s all drama about who is following who, who cosplayed what and with whom, etc, etc, etc. They found a medium where they can actually be their gajinka pokemon OC and they bring their penchant for drama along with them.
The non dramatic ones are usually just streamers that happen to be weebs or Vice versa
Coomers love it
Just look at Melody that shit sells
Her laugh is exactly the same, it’s her
You can hear her laugh in the graduation stream at 27:55
No, and it never will. I know it's hard to, but it's time to accept the fact that his amazing model will forever be wasted on that vapid, boring, pointless tranny.>>124877
Even if the voice was convincing, how was "Artemis" not screaming "tranny name"?>>124954>most of the degens who lewd lolis hate real children too
It makes sense. Depraved people hate innocence and want to corrupt it.>>125091
Not a fan, but I don't get why she even got suspended… there is so much trash in youtube that is much more objectionable (and does get reported). Is it because vtubers look like "children" in the eyes of youtube? Does anyone know?
>>125128>how was "Artemis" not screaming "tranny name"?
What. How is Artemis a "tranny name"?
It's literally the name of a Greek goddess, it's like saying Hestia or Athena.
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You still all hate Kiara after that amazing stream? Fucking losers. Kill yourself femcels.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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You only dislike her because she's more loved than you will ever be.>>125164
Sure thing. Only came to dunk on you freaks.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
It looks like the VTube community is way more SJW than I thought. That's honestly sad because cancel culture is just a manifestation of all the Karen's we have made fun of.
Can't wait for Calli to get cancelled for saying the n-word. Oh wait, she's not getting cancelled because people want to protect their little sanctuary called Hololive.
She meant "Soft A N-word" aka "Nigga">>125175
Callie said Nigga a ton in 2014 when she was like 18, we all said nigga back then, it be like that. Especially white kids growing up listening to rap.
Lol isn't that the same 'muh autistic' deer who writes about how people scared of her for being traditional and right-wing? And a catholic nutjob.
Her nudes were leaked not because of n-word, it's just her ex being shitty.
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Had a good laugh at this
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I don’t know about outright offended, but there would definitely be backlash. She’d get eaten alive. Athena isn’t even a chinese doing the shocking slavery bit, just some retarded burgerland vtuber. The only people that would come to her defense are equally brain damaged edgy incel types who call women “waifu” and like her for having an anime voice. Just look at the ongoing response to her saying the “lite” version of the word 4 months ago. Everyone else on twitter in the vtuber sphere including those who want to cull the competition would easily try to cancel her for that. And they’d probably feel even more justified for doing it.
This dunce also tweeted in support of the kyuotto for sympathy points. Getting canceled/ostracized must have broken the camel’s back, why is she trying to align herself with a pedo. https://mobile.twitter.com/Athena_Bambina/status/1336735338891522049
I agree with you, but the overwhelming majority of vtubers have it coming if it ever happens to them. It's a live by the sword, die by the sword thing. Practically none of them are "innocent" (and no, just because they don't have any milk around doesn't mean they are "good people").>>125182
Yes, but it's always white or asian girls. Most black people don't actually care if anyone writes "nigga/nigger", specially because they know it's often just slang and not an intentional attempt to be racist. Like "faggot".
“noooo but you don’t understand if the person behind this anime girl i wanna simp for did something wrong then i can’t simp for them anymore!!”
Weebs are on a whole nother level. I always felt like so many people involved themselves in voice actor drama because they saw it as defending their favorite anime characters. It still cracks me up how many people hypocritically got angry at Cover for bending the knee to China but then would also be like “uwu let’s make sure to send Civia and Artia off with love and NO drama!!!”
Wtf you on? Most black people don't care if you write 'nigga' BUT nigger with the HARD R is frequently taken offense at – most racists use the hard R – especially on Twitter.
She was mocking/copying Miko, so it was cringe but not offensive.
Black Twitter here.
Don't care that Japanese girls sang nigga to Lamar, it was catchy as hell. Care less about Calli saying nigga when she was 18 in 2014, that really was how the internet was back then
Mostly just white people being offended for us that bring it up
Basic white girls or ABG's saying nigga in 2020 unironically is just cringe though. Grew up privileged but want to act like they had life hard because they knew one black guy in middle school
These Japanese girls get the nigga pass , purely because of cultural ignorance.
the same cant be said for Athena. shes just socially inept.
She said at first the “issue was resolved and she already apologized” for it, then tweeted she couldn’t apologize because the artist allegedly blocked her.
Then she said she only threatened legal action because she was getting death threats (but didn’t say who from) , but the artist pointed out she said in her first message it was because the artist was ruining her reputation.
Then Kyuotto admitted and apologized for the tracing, but not once acknowledged the threatening of legal action.
Then like others mention Kyuotto keep saying “I did this when I was young and an aspiring artist” when it was in March of this year.
Artist compiled all her contradictions (Kyuotto’s tweet screenshots) and tweeted at her multiple times saying “kyuotto the main problem is you threatened legal action” and Kyuotto has yet to respond.
I think other small lies were included (like Kyuotto said she only blocked the artist for a few minutes, when in reality the artist was live tweeting her being blocked for hours) and maybe a few other things I missed.
The artists thread has about 6 or 7 hundred retweets so far, both supporters and simps are commenting. The main arguments from the simps is that this was in the past and Kyuotto was young, also “she’s already getting enough hate”
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His ego is gonna get even bigger. Ugh.
You're on a board that solely exists to shit on Vtubers and you're taken aback that someone hates a couple of notoriously horrible Vtubers? Are you trolling or are you actually that retarded?
For the record, I still love a lot of the other HL girls. Watame, Polka, Coco, Korone, Ame, Gura, Ina, etc.
They don't get an auto pass because they're Japanese, Lamar could've said anything in that sing-song voice and people would've repeated it. Don't blame any of them
I don't care what people said back then, don't care what people say now. Doesn't even bother me that people drop nigger on the internet because I'm desensitized to it but if y'all dropping niggas past 2015 and expecting a pass because you didn't know better you're dumb as fuck, and there's white vtubers still trying to claim they didn't know better over shit they said last year.
Either own to it and appreciate the culture or just admit you're a racist, nobody fuckin cares (except white people), both sides are gonna have an audience in 2020 anyway.
She said Pekora because there was a player with a name that was a pun on Usada.
Also you're crazy, they seem like they're having lots of fun. Also, not milk.
The yuribaiting is pretty cringe.
but then again, that's mostly Kiara doing it. Calli doesn't really like it, does she?
The yuribaiting is pretty cringe, you're right. It's mostly coming from Kiara but Calli plays into it quite a bit. It gives clippers something to instantly latch onto.>>125340
Honestly, don't take the music that seriously. I'm not expecting "clever lyrics" from someone mixing "kawaii" into their raps. It's pretty alright for what it is.
Yes, because all other hololivers are vtubing out of the pureness of their heart and wanting to entertain and bring joy to the world, not because they need rent or groceries.
I don't see why it has to be one or the other, I assume most corporate vtubers enjoy their job and have fun interacting with fans/gaming but also appreciate making a good salary from home.
Quit putting words into peoples mouth.
When does:>just applied for the lulz and didn't even like Vtubers until she found out it makes money
become:>She's having fun taking advantage of fans for profit
These are two different statements. One is a no risk investment that ended up paying off creating respect for the hustle because of it and the other is finding joy out of exploitative practices.>>125328
As for this statement your leaving out quite a few KEY details:> she hated Idols & Idol culture, not Vtubing> she had friends that were Vtubers & idol Vtubers> as much as Hololive attempts to give off a corporate seiso Idol agency vibe they give their talents the freedom to do whatever as long as it doesn't damage the companies image> Callie still clearly dislikes Idol culture though she's gotten over her dislike of idols themselves
I will agree that her general awkwardness, shitty taste in off-collab choices, general nuisance to the Atlus community, and failure to properly collab pisses me off and there there could probably be some milk in that. In my opinion cherry picking to the point being utterly disconnected from what she's actually said is only going to lead us into a schizo maze of dead ends.
>>125340> All she can do is rap fast.
So every Western Rapper.>None of her lyrics are even slightly clever,
So every modern day western rapper and late 2000s rapper. So you're saying her music is shit for being current? I agree, rap is shit tier these days.>>125360
The difference between us and western people is Japanese knows better, we don't take it seriously to the point it seems to hurt us to enjoy it for what it is. Just like we know many vtubers are really guys or could be guys, doesn't change the fact we like the CHARACTER portrayed which is why you see many Japanese folks go insane on the support, its fucking stressful in our society that people enjoy things for what it is when they can. You guys just seem to take it as a personal insult someone is PLAYING a character.
And this is another reminder how out of touch most people on sites like these are lmao.
In like 90% communities outside of chan sites and obscure imageboards you would 100% be banned/flamed for writing faggot. Nigga gets used a bit more from White people but still most of the time people care a lot if people use it. And Nigger being slang?? you need to step out of the house more lmao
Indeed. I really don't get how simps delude themselves in thinking their chosen vtuber (which might change on a the drop of a hat) is somehow a divine pure angel sent from heavens to entertain them specifically.>>125377
Fuck off, nigger faggot. Not everyone is a soy-guzzler scrote like you who whimpers in twitter hoping brainwashed mentally ill women will maybe some day consider the remote possibility of giving you the time of day. What are you going to claim next? That most people are actually pro-trannies? YOU get the out of your echo chambers and actually go talk to real people. Nobody is buying the agenda anymore, and people are sick and tired IRL of having to pretend so some faggot's feelings (e.g. you) won't get hurt.
Except this shouldn't even be an argument since it's clear she's not making serious rap music. "Gang Gang, Kawaii", "Excuse Me Could You Please RIP", "Sick Outta Fashion". Do these sound like serious titles to you?
No, half of her music is meme shit. This is like complaining that McDonald's doesn't make fine cuisine.
I don't really think her music are made for the memes. Calli's songs are basically just Japanese songs but in English.
If you were to translate Japanese songs to English, you end up with some real edgy/cringe lyrics.
I'm inclined to agree but for different reasons. The other girls all have something that gives you a reason to tune into them. Calli has her rap, Ina has her art, and Kiara is trilingual. Gura doesn't have anything but she doesn't need anything either. "Shark loli" carried her to 1.5M subs.
The thing Watson has going for her is her game choice. She plays slightly more competitive games, like Valorant, Apex, HoTS. I don't think that's enough to make her interesting.
So I agree. She's the worst of all of them.
Also, Gura interact a lot with her chat. Asking even mundane stuff when she's running out of topic like "do you have any interesting math law or formula?" or "have you eaten?"
Ame on the other hand… always toxic
at everything, unprovoked. Always blaming other for her misfortune. Lag, ping, chat, etc. Only maso coomers like that i suppose.
There's a time when Ame and Gura streamed minecraft at the same times, Ame's viewers dropped like almost half of it. Most of em even saying "Off, Gura streaming" "Gura streaming, bye"
makes you wonder how does it feel your entire existence is not Amelia Watson but Gura's friend lol
On the other hand, Nijisanji are barely any popular in western community compared to Hololive. And >>125532
Anon, you are a retard. People went batshit on /jp/, becausethat happened long before the threads were made here, your cutie Aloe uwu Mano got doxxed by Nene by accident ( she followed all the priv accounts of gen5 on her Nene account), which Chinese and antis used against them by turning everything into…This. and no one cares if she has a bf or not, but she was cringe on her private account for sure.
These newfags i swear.
Youtube JP confirmed it on twitter, it's affecting almost all channels but it's hitting V-Tubers harder.
All it does is just display lower active watches than there are tho. Sometimes by hundreds, sometimes by tens of thousands.
It hit the video game award's the other night too, maybe just the AI algorithms fucking with gaming related content
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While it might seem like cope, there might actually be a bug in concurrent live viewer count.>Youtube has commented on it and seems to acknowledge it.https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1337662177499607041https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1337438843168026625>Overall large live viewer decline for a lot of the girls instead of a gradual fall out, even though they're still getting good sub growth/views every day.>Indie vtuber made a poll for final song choice in a karaoke stream. She had 180~ viewers at the time and the poll had 250~ votes. She thought someone was cheating and tried again on a different poll site, with the same results. >Likes seem to be passing the concurrent live viewers.
Generally likes are not really utilized much in youtube, so it's definitely odd to see likes outgrow the concurrent viewers. If you're going to leave a like, wouldn't you stay and watch the stream as well?>The unique viewers when a live stream ends and the archive becomes available are similar numbers to previous streams unique viewers when a live stream ends, but the peak live viewer count are significantly lower. Similiar stream content (minecraft) and times
See image for unarchived karaoke example.
Ideally there is no bug, and we get to see nerds cry that their favorite vtuber isn't popular anymore, or the girls start having mental breakdowns on stream for 'low' numbers/rapid decline in viewership over the past 10 days. Guess we'll see.
People often stayed at home in previous months because of the pandemic. This contributed viewers as well.
I will not be surprised if the viewers decline now.
People are now busy rebuilding from what they had lost during the quarantine.
Anyways lets patiently wait what is the update from YouTube soon. Who knows really.
Look at the graphs in this tweet: https://twitter.com/2bpbHVoGr3FP5pE/status/1336445087560073219
I doubt 30-40% of the viewers decided to stop watching Vtubers and rebuild exactly 11:45 JST on the 3rd of December.
I am aware of the graph shows there Probably there were bugs involved on Dec 3.
I am not sure where to find credible site of their statistics.. But as checking on playboard. It seems they have healthy viewers in my point of view.
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Imagine being a matsuri simp, you are being double cucked
Vtubers views are fine. Whether you like it or not they're here to stay for awhile to come and make plenty of money.>>125621
There was a legit bug happening, something similar happens to Twitch occasionally. Face it, they're a thing and will be.
her IRL personality also works quite well with her current chuba persona
a lot of little things went right/were done right with Gura
Speaking of Ame
I'm starting to believe she's a chronic liar or something. All her childhood stories are farfetched and the sheer amount of them is unrealistic. She's even starting to get caught in her own lies> Played LA Noire entirely as Sachi and then pretends to be new at the game as Ame
> Told a story where she left Disneyland in a limo after getting hurt
> Told Gura earlier that she never rode a limo
Idk but really makes me wonder if any of her stories are even real
She has stated 3 times that she played LA Noire awhile ago but doesn't remember much also she played it as Buckets not Sachi.. the clip of her playing La Noire is from back in 2017. That's 4 years ago.
As for the limo story, don't get too attached to it, might mean she just was transported in a longer car.
You know you can have a pretty wild childhood you know? Especially in poor families
It seems the rrats will starve for another day
She might added one or two things to made the stories interesting. Everyone does that. Straightforward story pretty boring tbh. Like stand-up comedian, do not believe what they told you 100%. It must contain additional 2-3 things just making u laugh. Possibility of fake one as well.>>125689>And I hate to say it, but Hololive also has millions of fans, with at least a couple thousand fans who would gladly assault or stalk their idol irl. I don't wish this on anyone but I feel it's bound to happen, it seems like the girls all have normal living situations irl, no security or anything.
This question actually circling me all the time. Most of Holo's talents are indoor/or never shows their faces on the Internet previously.
But what is their scouting department thinking of hiring Coco, Kiara?
Both of them actually popular outside, once they go out socialize in convention or otaku event which attract lots of greasy otakus possibility of unexpected thing bound to happen.
I do not hate them or whatsoever. Just cannot connect any valid
saw a clip from miko's stream before which said YAGOO himself scouted her so it's not like it was mainly targeting for indoors type of people
for the rest? probably hololive HR department aren't as strict as one might assume
one of holostar member even were allegedly was a pretty famous rapper on jp
try compare it with recent gura's version of same song
honestly, as long as they stick to the original trope of idol
and do actually show improvement in their personality from stream to stream
it is not that bad
Yea, simple is better. Also, blue color scheme indirectly increase sale. In marketing, blue color scheme reduce anxiety and gives sense of security thus increase deals. That's why a lot of financial and insurance sites uses blue.
This makes me wonder of shark's real intelligence capacity tbh. Is she rly faking those dumm shits like failing to count 9+11 or 2x2? Because it also produces clips which is free and reliable marketing for vtuber channel. No one went full skimming through 2-3 hrs archive streaming video.
Compare the design to Kiara…
Everyone with IQ above room temperature can sense if some of those stories are made up or at least half-baked. I mean for the clips. But yea, she's latina. They rly do have fck up childhood.
> Played LA Noire entirely as Sachi and then pretends to be new at the game as Ame
Perhaps she doesnt want to be associated with Sachi or she just want to spit to chat because apparently people in '40s uses nigger and hate jews on daily basis. Gee whiz what a surprise, isnt that the plot of the game; solving a fckin hate crime?
Naah, I don't think she's that dumb but I also don't think she's that smart. Senna Howard always plays character with blue color palette from her childhood. I think that's just her fave color. Whether it's also have a marketing benefit is just a side effect. But you are right, failing at simple arithmetic is just…
But yea, Kiara design really turned my fight or flight response. Especially the model of her holding two chicken. yuck.(samefaggotry)
Good take, what's the deal with that sword and shield? That's not even looks like weapons. Is it part of the lore? Coz i don't recall it. Her design and lore is so random like
"I'm a phoenix, with a chicken voice, armed with 'sword'-'shield that want to build a fast food restaurant, KFP (Kiara Fried Phoenix)". Gott, this german…
Compare this to Calli,
"I'm a grim reaper"
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I wonder if chicken got salty after seeing shark having 10x more viewers than her
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Ion the holostar side they have izuru who (while was a lot more unpopular) still was found out pretty fast from his utaite videos (and i believe was proven that he was actually only 17 when he joined),astel doesn’t even have a different character much except from just saying he’s an alien from his other account, but face wise rikka was an utaite that was very well known and performed live a lot.
who was the well known rapper?
tbf it's just a superchat reading for her karaoke stream and Amelia is streaming as well
I wonder how much their streaming schedules and views will be impacted enough once Hololive adds more EN vtubers>>125730
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Kiara is actually about to overtake Ina in subs lol
Holostar actually has pretty good talent behind it. Somehow I wonder why they are not popular like their counterpart.
I think girls prefer BTS than pretty 2D drawing. lol
On side note, Rikka's roomate age almost reach 40 years old. Guess he is the oldest talent there.
She probably makes things up for the purpose of entertaining, but I wouldn't be surprised if she is an actual pathological liar. Streaming in general seems to attract a specific type of person, and we know she was already a streamer before her current gig.>>125689
Same. I recall when Let's Play videos became streaming sessions and couldn't wrap my head around the principle and thought it would die. All these years later and it's stronger than ever. Vtubing is here to stay.
>>125755>Rikka's roomate age almost reach 40 years old. Guess he is the oldest talent there
So that's the reason why he's so fucking boring?
From the holostar guys the only ones that can actually be funny or try interesting streams are Aruran, Shien, and Roberu, though the last one is just a one hit wonder with his Winning Son meme.
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>Indietuber rears their face into a Holo's chat and gets no (You)s.
There's no better feeling in the world.
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holy shit this place is fucking hilarious.
Seething at other women playing videogames using an anime avatar and waiting for them to do something to sperg about it. Imagine being born a woman and failing at life harder than a fucking /r9k/ incel (even them could find a dick to suck). I would tell you to kill yourselves but it's not like someone would care anyway. The absolute state of femcels(ok)
Astel too, with his marathon streams and constantly chatting or being entertaining for so long (the unarchived singing stream from a week ago was great, I never paid attention to him before that).
Roberu seems like a one hit wonder with Winning Son/Cafeteria in my Soul but he's the first Holostar to hit 100k and streams several times a day (Arurandis has started doing that too recently), collabs outside of Cover, and knows how to hype up his chat with off-collab surprise sleepovers and reaching out to the overseas fans pretty often. Holostars streams can be pretty fun because the chat is a lot slower
It looks like several of the Holostars have taken a page out of his book and done language exchange or english only streams trying to get more of those sweet overseas subscribers. (I THINK he did the first Mario Kart English only, and then Korone and Matsuri did it too even though Korone's legendary English-only Mario Bros came first)
sage for no milk just extra info
Kiara is supposed to be a part time restaurant owner/mascot and part time adventurer with an obsession with hats or something.
So of course she gets a sword and shield, Kamen Rider utility belt, Mascot hat, Turkey Frill Hat, Turquoise ribbon choker, Pheonix feather earrings, and 2 turkey legs.
The base design looks great but all the extra accessories really just ends up turning the visuals into an absolute clusterfuck. If her model ever gets updated I really hope they cut at least half of the accessories.
Astel tweeted weeks ago that only 20% of his viewers was from Japan.
I assume the statistic was similar among their team as well.
Great thing they want to expend their audience by learning English.
>>125321>but if y'all dropping niggas past 2015 and expecting a pass because you didn't know better you're dumb as fuck
How are you supposed to know what you don't know if you don't know what you're supposed to know when you don't even live in the country where the word is used and have never in your entire life ever had to learn about foreign history to that extent?
You're just being ridiculous. They get a pass once.
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A lot actually, who the fuck decided to give him such an ugly design?
It looks like a character from a Latin America kids cartoon.
But I don't think it's all about design or marketing though. I watched some nijisanji top guys out of curiosity and they are simply way more charismatic and interesting than the HoloStars. I don't know who scouts for Holo but they need to step up their game.
I don't get the people who say Hololive is the best at scouting talent, they've obviously hired a few duds personality and talent-wise.>>126014
This is an imageboard. Embed the video and give timestamps of what you're talking about.
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Think I found the ugliest vtuber design.
>>126042>I don't get the people who say Hololive is the best at scouting talent
They've got a great ratio of stars to duds. The number of stars should be much smaller. Beyond that their actual duds are very few in number, with many of those who people consider duds are earning 2-3x that of duds in other companies.
But more than that, it seems like they exclusively hire people who can coexist with other human beings without malfunctioning over the smallest thing. Compare that to other vtuber companies, and really compare that to any company you have worked at. Harder than it sounds.
Then you need to get out of your basement and stop reading twitter. I live in the one of the top10 most liberal and gay-friendly cities in Europe and even here I've seen trannies being stopped from entering women's bathrooms, as it should be.>>126061
There has been none since the Roa thing, afaik.
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Oga also has a busy design even though I like him. A lot of Holostars' designs remind me of overdesigned otome game guys.
Meant actual name, not previous nickname or handle.
In a previous collab Mori called her a wrong name starting with "T", and was thinking maybe she had slipped her real name.
a kickstarter based in Taiwan and Nagu worked on it? that's actually a little bit interesting.
she's still the only one who has hardly ever collabed with any of her JP seniors, right?
She collabed with Iofi twice (well, Iofi is HoloID, but still). Mori collabed with Korone once, Ame with Roboco and Haachama, and Gura didn't collab outside HoloEN at all (if you don't count her collab with Ame and Moona, and two Among Us collabs).
So, not only Ina, they all (except chicken ofc) hardly even collabed with someone outside EN.
Hindrance for Gura obviously the language barrier. But she seems to has a good relation with Shion. Probably just for the time being.
For Holo ID, I think just the timezone I guess.
Her acting depressed on stream makes people think if they just try to cheer her up they have a chance with her.
Memes that revolve around giving her money to work for her
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27 to be exact
Been wondering, will she have a table on anime expo ever again? She was there last year but now with meme virus + being a target because of hololive seems less likely
i wanna the sources anon
Gura mentioned in her streams that she chats a lot with Shion, and Gura has commented on her streams quite a bit
Their relationship is pretty great, Shion said a while back that they’re trying to make a collab work
No offense, but all you have is hearsay and your personal opinion compared to stuff that actually has happened.
Gura not being familiar with Shion prior to joining Hololive is basically the only stretch someone can make.
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found this in a random comment thread, can anyone confirm if this is froot/apricot?
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cmon it's not that hard
Pretty High standards huh?
most Hololivers I have seen have been fairly attractive, if not very attractive.
>>126637>"Skip to the point in this video where this character does a bit that she did for like a week"
Yep that's irrefutable proof and definitely not just a reach. Can't wait for the 39-minute video essay on this
You're right about her just being some schmuck, though. She's not popular because she's smart, she's popular because she's pedo bait
Gotta admit she was undoxxable for a while, but that's over now.
This vid always makes me wonder how much input can Hololive girls have when they join the agency.
You sound like that butthurt whitechick that was all over twitter and made that youtube video about vtubers (and gura) because people prefered to simp for them over her. How is she even pedo bait? She doesn't even pretend to be a little kid/loli and when her weirdo fans ask/beg her to she's clearly bothered/hesitant to even say simple loli shit lol.>>126749
But she is though?
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>>126733>Watson gets short hair like her previous life.>Kiara shows off as much skin as Shimakaze and every other character who's troublesome for cosplayers. >Mori gets to have a pale hair color and has the color red amongst her friends.>Ina's almost black hair and hime cut fit the ideal Asian stereotype for the most successful pre-holo member who happens to be Korean.>Literally all of Senzawa and Gura.
Honestly I feel like the artists are informed about who made the cut before drawing the model.
never thought I'd ever see someone literally pant(su) on head insane.
I also suddenly have a lot of empathy for the people at Cover having to experience video after video with comparable levels of cringe.
(Pre-gen 5, probably not gonna be used)
Though I've read when auditioning you can autdition with a character.
Plus Artia was talking on her gradutation about how she kept giving pointers to the artist of hers but the manager was saying no to most of them.
stop being an incel it's fine if she plays with dudes lmao
also learn to sage
their brains are broken by horny. she doesn't even make jokes about feet like they said >>126904
here. she literally just said she has this habit of rubbing her feet against the glass on her pc which sounds like she stims, i dont think sleeping naked is even sexual either, she just said it's how she's most comfortable. too bad about her fanbase
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Split-second capture from the A Way Out stream.
Also, someone on /jp/ mentioned that JayDeeVA's real name was Joel (according to a Senzawa video) and they were chasing the wrong person the entire time (to the point that he had to Private his account). The "Jay" in Gura's stream could be the J-chan in the Discord.
No she didn't>>>/pt/764
She's more jumpy to quash rumors nowadays, since one guy ruined her life back then
Jesus Christ that poor girl went through so much shit in the past years
I'm so happy she managed to reach HoloEN, and all antis/narrativefags here and on 4/5ch are no better than that disgusting piece of shit
No, the interesting thing is that you can run everyone in that discord through a service like namechk.com or something like https://github.com/sherlock-project/sherlock
if you're a le cool hacker and hopefully find all their web profiles. Maybe it's just me though, I dunno.
Well, first of all let me say that I oppose any kind of cyberbullying and harassment - these things really have no place in our modern society. Having said that, I find that it's worth pointing out that acquiring and sharing publicly available information is not illegal in most Western countries, certainly not in the US. In light of that, perhaps it would be best for everyone in this thread if terminal retards like you stopped yapping about shit they don't know and shut their fucking mouths - or better yet had their mouths shut for them.
Also, it's 'doxing'
Ah yes, justifying being a piece of shit by saying ''Even if its bad its not illegal''. These people are corporate employees who have nothing to do with the talents and are off limits
Also doxing and doxxing are both correct
Lol holy shit.
I hope they found this jrcah dude eventually and lynched him. If he didn't kill himself first.
I think the characters and probably their designs are thought up first and whoever gets hired for them probably is able to offer some feedback and ideas to tweak it. Hoshikawa from Nijisanji outright said that she originally auditioned for Haato before going to Nijisanji and watched Haato's debut stream to see who wound up getting the role so that suggest to me that the characters and probably their basic design is thought up before anyone's even auditioned.>>126914
Yeah, Gura just seems like a pretty normal girl who maybe drinks a little too much every so often to dull away things like her mother passing away but coomers and other weirdo autisits have to read too much into everything.
She WILL retweet some pretty ero art but I'm guessing she's also reasonable enough to separate Sena the person from Gura the character.
I'm pretty sure Haato is Gen 1 so that doesn't tell us anything since we're saying that post-gen4 talents have a say in their design
>coomers and other weirdo autisits have to read too much into everything
That's been a big problem with idol culture as a whole for years. That said,I'll still be waiting for her to do something milk worthy though.
"No way you don't know alias and ego wearing foreign emotionsand circulating the cyber battlefield
A case beyond all or nothing danger level SSR to put it mildly, an unmatched independent business"
"Like a dice with only sixes but it's not cheating
What a amazing! Appearing like a twinkling shooting star a law-bending outlaw
Conquering extraterritoriality and timelessness easily in smart ways
Dumbfounded footsteps getting further away
compared to that we're old school
Fooling off daily and sometimes moving forward like the hare or grasshopper
The road ahead is super rough… the rebound after stopping is tough…"
I wouldn't call it shade though, at least going of the english subtitles.
It’s also called >game of dice
everyone in the comments is asking why the dice themed song isn’t animated by her (although it seems like they switch between DD and the other animator regularly.) she usually retweets anything FT does on her DD twitter but she only “liked” posts about it. I don’t know how anyone could look at the lyrics and not see it as a diss track especially since she’s friends with them and is well versed in word play enough to see what’s actually being said. Must be pretty awkward having your idols be salty at you.
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This has got to be Fake Type challenging Calli to a rivalry.
There isn't even any shit being flung other than THHK saying that Fake Type isn't going to sit around while Calli remains uncontested.
The real question is whether or not DEMONDICE was in on this. Seeing as how she's yet to respond when she's usually one of the first to signal boost and respond to a new Fake Type's new releases and she didn't even attend the after-party as a chatter.
holy shit lmao
you sound like such a fucking faggot
DD has not tweeted the MV yet even two days have passed. We can assume she was not involved in this.
I think there are a few possibilities:
1) Hololive restrict her to involve in any indie projects.
2) As you said, they are challenging her new persona as a healthy rivalry.
3)Every person success, they are always envious friends behind. So she was not invited.
the line about the eerie kawaii guillotine , familiar voice "karen,karen karen' is definitely a direct refference
it just comes off as petty and jealous, maybe they're just goofing and aren't upset, but its odd how DD isn't supporting them like normal.
and like someone else said maybe hes just challenging DD to a rap "beef" maybe she'll clap back, she has stated were getting some new DD stuff this year.
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Looks like she's going to fire back
It really sucks. Demondice was a huge fan of theirs and while it's true she did tracks in basically their style, "stealing" it (let's say), it's also true that she put her own twist to it, made all the visuals and had a lot of non-Fake Type styled tracks.
Besides, they were dead for ages. Looks like they put up with Demondice just because she wasn't popular, but when she reaches Spotify #1 as Mori doing essentially the same thing they did they go back to life mostly (or maybe only?) to diss her.
Must be a callout, since the world "karen" drops (means lovely, but they could've gone with anything else).
There could also be some kind of IRL drama between them that we're not privy to. Maybe she's big leagued them since getting into Hololive, maybe they see her as a hypocrite sell out given her previous stance on idols and VTubers or maybe there's some other personal drama there. I don't know, rifts and hurt feelings can form over seemingly minor stuff. Especially if you feel like a friend is leaving you behind.
Although the idea that they'd be salty over Mori being "more popular" is pretty funny IMO. Their YT subscribers might be a fraction but their MV views basically match or eclipse her's.
Everything you just described is some petty High School bullshit.
Also a lot of their Newfound viewers are likely directly caused by Demondice, most people myself included didn't know or give a shit about her until the hololive stuff happened. Everyone benefited, so i dont understand the diss track.
Would you mind to timestamp that?
If she did say that, I might reconsider my membership of her in the next following months.
Somebody deserves my money than her. lol
Nta but you cant watch substreams of hers without paying as far as I know. Unless she does it like Mori, posting them after a week which I doubt.>>127225
She has always been whining and numberfagging on her member streamers, baiting people into donating her because kiara-chan is sad thou. Duringher early memb streams she would mention she browses 4chan n is so 'sad' about it, which also made Coco and Marine pay attention to her, because 'haters r bad'.
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idk who wants to sit through 2+ hours of "chatting" with kiara, but judging by the comments it actually did just devolve into more unhinged whining
I'm currently listening, it's a bit of a circle jerk and a little bit of a pity party but it's really nothing offensive. The way you guys kind of made it at the sound was that she was toxic
towards her gen mates, that's where I had my reservations.
I don't think she's "horrible" either she can be entertaining at times and her singing isn't half-bad, I just wish she would stop whining.
Oh, and quit the whole "uwu, I'm inexperienced and innocent, I only like girls and don't want any men near me" act. It sounds extra cringe coming from someone like her.
I don't think anyone thinks she's being toxic
or acting bitter towards her genmates. She just seems to be unable to cope with the idea that she's not as popular as she thinks she should be despite the fact she's still really popular and about on par with most of the higher end JPs (before you start getting into the really big ones like Pekora, Korone, Aqua and such). The bigger question is whether she does it because she truly thinks that she should be that popular or because she knows it's an easy way to milk sympathy and superchats. Probably a little from both columns. When she's still hung up on numbers after Marine herself told her not to worry about it, I don't know.
Her family clearly had problems, has a tendency to date older men, a self-admitted attention whore.
Still denies that she has daddy issues.
I don't think it's "fuck other" type of jealousy, but "Oh no, why am I left behind" type.
Given her past failures and disillusionment with her carrier, it makes sense that someone as "high in neuroticism" as her would be afraid if/when it will collapse again.
If unprovoked, she is probably a nice acquaintance.
>Play 50 hour long JRPGs>Surprised when people don't hang around
Maybe pick a more streamable genre next time, Kiara.
Even Pekora played half of Xenoblade offline because she knew most of the content/grind is boring as fuck to watch, and she still got lower viewer numbers than usual.>>127291>Source: dude trust me.
Go fuck yourself.
kinda wanna make fun of you but it's true though.
also, sage your posts newfag.
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I don't get what she's whining about. By all metrics that matter, her channel's doing phenomenally well. Many YouTubers, even those with her channel size, would kill for this kind of growth and engagement especially seeing how many of them plateau and begin to lose viewers before long. Why is it so difficult for some people to be grateful for what they have, especially when it's this much? Does the dose of self-pity feel so good that even huge success needs to be interpreted as failure?
partly being highly neurotic by nature.
partly whining because doing so makes money. she's actually clever only whining to members and not openly.
This kind of thing would happen to anyone who succeeds overnight.
She did not feel the struggle of how her previous generations had.
Hopefully one day, she will feel grateful before she lost it.
Shes made it I really don't understand what shes whining about man.
10 million views for most of her videos is phenomenal for someone who's only been streaming for 3 months
I mean it happened to most of them, every generation there is going to be someone whose last, and regardless of success, I don't think most people would enjoy that moniker. And I personally think Kiara is in a niche that kind of makes it inevitable honestly.
Gen 4 had Watame, bless her, for a while (even though, I don't think she was last per se) but talking to Coco seemed to really help her put it all in perspective. That they're all incredibly lucky to get any exposure at all in the first place.
I've always seen Ina as more niche. People who aren't artists take less value from her art streams; it'd probably be better for an average person to watch a general audience streamer like Kiara, Gura or Ame.
I feel like Ina used to have high numbers because her design and calm approach were both interesting to many, but Kiara's finally catching up to her.
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The NicoNico scandal went down during her first visit to Japan when she was 15? That's… pretty icky. So then she left Japan after the scandal broke out and then came back later and joined Tone Jewel but was forced to graduate due to, mainly, harassment from jrcach?
Also, it seems like people were quite supportive of her after she graduated but then over the years people around here started really disliking her? At least that's the impression I got from reading the archives. What was the reason for that? The only things I've seen were the screen caps of her emo posts on tumblr.
kek what a fucking idiot, it was EMOTE ONLY
mode the whole time ever since the start. Who is he trying to fool. It was also the only stream on twitch that showed holoFES illegally
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The ticket was ~60$, it's not like Artemis can't afford it…
Also, she possibly defends herself from an alt account. Their only activity is attacking that person
Aingt, I am not a twitchfag here.
What was happen there? I assume "she" viewed the concert illegally on somebody's twitch?
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She has always hated it when someone who she sees as being beneath her passes her by. Going into this I'm sure she expected to be a veteran compared to whoever else Cover picked to go with her. Hannah probably also assumed that her talk show and collabs would gain her broad support among the JP base; but at the end of the day, her fanbase + any new fans aren't even enough to keep up with EN's niche streamer.
Chinese Kiryu Coco antis made a plan on streaming the pay2watch livestream concert (it costs 40$) everywhere, in order to defame Coco. They've been streaming on 3 websites, but only on Twitch the stream was never banned. Twitter was filled with spam and links, even information of all streams (but twitch onebecause they didnt bother copypasting), saying that they are doing that in order to get rid of Coco.
And Artemis ended up being called out for a hypocrite, because she made a post, saying that everyone should support them instead of pirating the concert.
Yes, that timeline is correct. I'm not sure if there was one particular moment that lolcow started hating her. If I had to guess, I'd say that at first, despite the scandals, people admired her because she taught herself Japanese and managed to become an idol without the usual cheap tricks like visa marriage. Eventually her rotten personality and passive aggressive comments toward other girls like >>127479
just really turned people off when she didn't grow out of it.
It's only a matter of time before Artemis goes into a menhera melt down as is the tranny way. Looks like it may happen sooner than expected though.>>127479
I thought Holotalk was a good idea at first and wanted to give it a chance but instead of doing the obvious thing (shooting the shit and actually conversing with the other Holo, pre-recording and subbing it) she made it a basic interview with basic questions anyone who's watched a few clips or spent five minutes of reading would know. And instead of pre-recorded and subbed she just lets the Holo talk for two minutes and then gives like a 10 second summary that likely only covers a fraction of what was actually said and makes it kind of awkward and dull.
God bless Fubuki for trying to make her episode entertaining by basically taking things over but that's because Fubuki's a great entertainer and actually knows what she's doing.
To be fair, this is from 10 years ago (she had to have been 14-15?) and I don't see it as a fair comparison unless it was something more recent.>>127432
How embarrassing that she can't just admit it and instead digs a deeper hole for herself lol.
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>>127479>>127406>https://files.catbox.moe/ohctu5.mp4>The same girl who squees at HoloFES is also biting her nails about numbers on the regular.
How much of Kiara's numberfagging is pretend or exaggerated exactly? Honestly, measuring herself to Ina is simply dumb when the latter can unsheathe 3 different kinds of videos whenever to get ahead. If anything she should prioritize the music since Callie's 10 million view song got a lead on Watson from the start.
this is embarrassing and its completely a misinterpretation of the appeal of vtubers. the "2D>3D i am literally an anime girl guys!!! hehe uwu" act is a nice touch. go back to pretending you're not a cosplay thot because the soft girl jfashion well dried up for you
also i almost, ALMOST feel bad for her because man….imagine getting so much plastic surgery done and still morphing yourself into an alien "animay gurl uwu" in this pic and in your selfies anyway.
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domo is hideous. it legitimately looks like he has FAS
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Alright, that's just funny.
I swear to god, its at least the third or fourth time she claims that her stream are being "shadowbanned". Sure, Jan
Also some idiots donate her 100$ asking if thats how you can get the ticket
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apricot looks like a tranny(nitpicking)
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Welp, there's the answer to what Fake Type's intent was with "Game of Dice"
she's fairly active on fanbox and semi-active on twitter (even releasing a cover of KING recently). She does stream on YT sometimes.
Seems like she's doing fine now, though from what I can tell, she's still trying to keep it lowkey
Delu/Aloe has big family issues. Abusive
father, menhera brother caused by abusive
father, and her mother is a manipulative bitch, as in she literally stole $20k off her fanbox account (aloe said it was 90% of her savings) and claimed it was for "rent over the years" and then ran off spending it somewhere for days without contact. When her mother returned they had a "chat" and she got some
of it back. But most of it is gone (her mother paid off her personal credit card debt with like $12k of it and then used some of the rest for god knows what, that's the kind of mother she is).
Other than that she's doing well. Streams often on twitcast+youtube, but it's limited to fanbox members. Doesn't want to go public for now since she knows the antis are still lurking. Has a lot of fun in the streams, singing and chatting, and since it's fanbox-only the community is tight knit with EN/JP/CN members, she personally pops up in the fan discord once in a while. Also has music projects in production with some mysterious "big names" (people are guessing a Giga collab) which will be public on her youtube channel once done.
She has left the "idol" image completely behind and is fully herself on the streams. Openly talks about her past, her present and her future, including sexual experiences etc. So don't ever expect her to return as the "idol Aloe" again.
She still follows hololive stuff. One of her recent fanbox posts had a Lamy retweet visible in the background with some Lamy/Botan cosplayers. But it is unknown if she still talks with Holo Gen 5 at all. If she does, she probably wants to keep any contact 100% hidden to avoid an anti shitstorm.
Once she moves out of her shitty home in January and leaves her cancerous family behind, we can expect more activity and she has expressed interest in public streaming of some level. She has some issues finding an apartment though, that allows for both her 3 cats and her expensive sound proofing setup, and Japanese landowners don't seem to think of streaming as a stable income (even though aloe gets a few thousand a month from her fanbox simps).
TL;DR she's doing well but has some family issues. Next year will be good.
Moon faced as fuck lmao >>127100
What the fuck does it mean to feel like a bomboclaat this is almost as bad as shitty kpop rap lyrics. Culture vultures using slang wrong proudly and loudly is what makes the world go around.
I don't even dislike her, but I just don't get why she chose to hop on the bandwagon now? She does regular streams already and I personally find it kind of boring to know, who the person behind the VTuber is.
That being said I'm curious how her debut turns out and how quickly she'll abandon it. Same goes for Riiri..
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Because everyone and their mom does it. SwimsuitSuccubus and HayleyBaby also already have a huge following on their vtuber accounts. Can’t wait for Susu to continue her lesbianbaiting - will be some competition for Kiara's.
To be precise, western indie vtubers.
They are growing like spores now.
Some of them literally face-cam streamers but getting a 2D avatar which I cannot find the reason why.
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Why are indies posting selfies? Are they that desperate for attention? This one hasn't even debuted and has meltdowns everyday on their roommate account about not being popular enough, they're so thirsty to get 1k
To be fair the indie vtuber scene is heavily bloated and the only varieties are artist or not being good at anything.
I wouldn't be surprised if this market crashed like vidya did back in the 1980s.
why are you complaining about indies posting selfies yet putting an image of one that hasnt?
Also everyone always makes "ill do this at x number of followers" type posts. this is nothing new nor milkable
This is a rather foolish move on their part. This isn't even in argument that "it ruins the magic" of them revealing themselves. I mean they're just putting themselves out there while also trying to make a pedestal for themselves to stand on.
Unlike hololive or whatever the fuck other companies, them being indie leaves them vulnerable to having the autistic bunch of internet sleuths from the corners of the internet looking into everything about them. And they just hand one major element on a silver platter.
Fucking hate this generation of kids. They don't know the risks of eagerly putting info like that out there until it comes blowing up back in their faces.
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It's on private so you can't really look them up but they deleted all their rage posts about being stuck at a certain follower count and getting angry newer vtubers being more popular
They are also in this thread
If you're actually not a samefagging schizo. You're literally proving their point. Instead of refuting or ignoring what they've said, you've chosen to react. Thus actually provided us with what we want, milk.
If they're your friend or a close associate then listen to what they're saying, stop wasting time worrying about pointless shit like who's gossiping about you or the number of followers you have and start focusing on building hype and a community. If you hadn't reacted then it wouldn't have gotten so much friction. If you had refuted what they said then there would have been people there to support you.
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They don't understand the base appeal because they are autistic trend hopping attention whores, or are just that bad at maintaining a character, or both. Why play a likeable role or take on a persona to match your avatar/OC when you can just be drama hungry, jump down people's throats and do face reveals because your boring character doesn't get enough attention for you?
Like seeing this in the replies and is it really any wonder that shit gets posted here? Though tbh I'm sure they all post each other here too.
I don't think they're mutually exclusive. She clearly numberfags but she's smart enough now to not go the whole way and pull back and knows to do it just enough to make people feel bad and throw money at her.>>127815
Africat seems good about it. Just kind of does her thing with no fuss or clout chasing from what I can tell.
>>127806>people have different reasons for vtubeing
yeah and you're one of the vtubers that want to show their face to make up for your boring ass personality as an attempt to get clout since you're a nobody. I wouldnt know about any of these indie vtubers if it werent for this board- they should be grateful their "friends" post them on here kek>>127823
idk who the hell Africat is and dont care but learn how to sage
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Damn, and I thought /jp/ was a shithole. Yikes.
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Keep raiding /jp/ please, I don't want shitty Hololive threads on there anymore.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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I don't even know what a "scrotes" is, could you explain your shitty irrelevant meme to me please? Thanks.>>127873>2hu niggers made it all the way here
Amazing, hope this never ends you seething turbospergs.
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I've been shitting up /jp/ since 2008. I'm not mad, I just want to watch it burn.
Yeah it was in last thread or the one before, something like "idk how people stream to 1-2 people, honestly I'd end the stream"
They would also spam Io hoping to get boosted
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So I'm curious, does artemis do…-anything- besides proclaim she's gay and shitpost on twitter?
She definitely reads these it seems like
Somebody posted about how she made her own simp account to RT her stuff and people instantly refuted it, like an unknown vtuber under 1k with an ugly ass model would already have fans. The rigging and art looks fucking terrible
Force a ship with Bao and make Domo seem more important than he actually is?
In all seriousness no since Artemis has minimal vidya competence and doesn't know how to play up reactions which, at the very least, Kiara was good at.
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kick the kayfabe a bit harder, please.
Doesn't this just translate to "I'm a heterosexual male" in non-trans language?
I'm kind of amazed by the hoops these people jump through to get women.
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NIJICUCKS ON SUICIDE WATCH
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lulu from nijisanji
nijikeks got too cocky
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>does a face reveal stream
>didn't even attempt to make herself look cute and everyone in China made fun of her for it to a point that she decided to never do another facecam stream again
a week ago, the archive is on bilibili if you know her new account name. It looks ridiculous, she is has her hair tied back really tightly which makes her forehead look like a 10head, the video has this gross yellow filter over everything, her room looks stupid, and in general she's just not very cute.
The one she does dumb shit on is 白蒜头
traitorous holocn bitch gets what she deserves(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Might be unrelated, but looks like Karen is also going to release a song/cover next month as Demondice.
This is stale shit>>128116>an average woman without filters and makeup looks like an average woman without filters and makeup
A shocking revelation, next you're gonna tell me the holosluts don't look like their online pictures
The bitch is ugly sage your opinion nobody cares about>>128124
Keep it we don't want another great value song
Jesus, no wonder she's always been toxic
towards others on her alt and encouraged chinks to keep shitting on Coco and others.
your blogpost is shit even if you are entitled to your own opinions.>leeches of jp> got famous because of her previous channel
Both are true statements. HoloJP was rising, with many of them having only 30k~ subscribers growing to 500k+ in less than 6 months.
That growing popularity + her already having a 900k channel = EZ Mode 1 million subs.
>>128240>waaaah Eng vtubers have such a fake voice and attention seeking behavior
Yes, because Miko definitely talks like a baby, Luna and Pekora voice actress definitely end sentences irl with nanoraaaa~ and peko, and all of the Hololive JP are DEFINITELY legitimately gay and have lesbo orgies constantly, its not put on for show for horny fanboys.
Come on, just admit you think girls being fake and uwu is only cute when it's Japanese.
I'm responding to >>128240
who is calling out EN vtubers for their "fake voices" when I don't see the difference between them and JP.
It's totally fine to like or dislike either branch but I think it's dumb weebery to act like Hololive JP is somehow morally or intellectually superior to EN.
You're comparing C/D/E/F-Tier English voice actors to JP Vtubers that are in likelihood A/B-tier voice actors.
Just compare any of the EN and JP streams, the HoloJP streamers embody their characters way better than any of the HoloEN streamers.
You don't need to be a fan to see how more streamlined/fluid the JP-characters are and how they respond to situations. If you watch the EN streamers they constantly pause during sentences(moments of silence), they constantly have to take a notch back to not break voice/character, they constantly revert to retarded wiggling (Gura) when they're out of content. Even their fucking laughs are forced, which is especially noticable with Gura. None of the EN-characters except maybe Ina comes across as a genuine believable character.
Besides that they constantly SEEK content rather than going with the flow like I explained in the previous post. They are not innately funny/entertaining or anything. They don't make an elaborate plan to do something and it ends up being a major disaster (Pekora Minecraft streams), no they skip all those steps leading up to that point and just make disaster. It's like saying the punchline of the joke before actually explaining the joke, it's not funny, it's not entertaining unless you're fucking 12.
If you don't see any of these then you're just blind/deaf and most likely retarded.
Regarding Luna it's a character she's playing and she's God-tier at playing it, not everybody digs it but you can't say she's bad at embodying her role.
While there are genuine things to criticize about Hololive EN and I'm not at all saying people should simp for them, i still don't know if I can agree with your argument?
For one, is there an English voice actor who you think is an "A/B-tier" anime voice actor? Because sometimes I think non-Japanese speakers make this connotation that "Japanese voice = kawaii anime, English voice = just boring american person." Sometimes I think people will be unnerved by a native English speaker voicing an anime face, no matter how good the voice is.
Also, Hololive JP has been around for several years, and has what, like 30 members? Hololive EN has been out for like 4 months and has 5 members, so they're still finding their groove imo. Like I said, Hololive JP has plenty of constant attention seeking - Marine's "IM HOONI", constant gaybaiting between members who probably aren't gay, other members slamming on desks and screaming and crying while gaming, etc
(btw mods please let know if this is too derailing)(took the bait)
>>128270> For one, is there an English voice actor who you think is an "A/B-tier" anime voice actor?
I don't know any A/B-tier "anime" or "Vtuber" EN voice actors. But if I were to name several English actors that would be:
Will Arnett (Bojack in Bojack Horseman)
H. Jon Benjamin (Sterling Archer in Archer /Bob in Bob's Burgers)
Dan Mintz (Tina Belcher in Bob's Burgers)
Kristen Schaal (Louise Belcher in Bob's Burgers)
Jessica Walter (Malory Archer in Archer)
Of those I would rank Will Arnett and Jessica Walter the highest and H. Jon Benjaming close after that. But all of them are very close.
I guess a better question would have been, is there a current youtuber who you would have been pleased with as a vtuber, or will you never be happy with hololive EN?
I can't help but feel a lot of people have a double standard, Luna's fake voice is "God-tier" acting but if Gura does a fake voice it's sooo fake and cringey?
Nice bait. Everyone fell for it like a fish in a pond as you are reeling in your fishing rod like a master fish catcher.>>128251
I'll be honest, it's omega cringy when Japanese mannerism gets used in English. That shit just doesn't translate well because we aren't used to that kind of behavior. You will RARELY see people in the west talk to others with honorifics or end each sentence with a catch phase. That's why when Gura or Ina says things like "pachi pachi" or "humu humu", it just doesn't hit right.
>>128272> I guess a better question would have been, is there a current youtuber who you would have been pleased with as a vtuber, or will you never be happy with hololive EN?
Of the current gen EN-streamers only Ninomae Ina'nis is one I actually watch now and then and actually like her personality. She seems wholesome, genuine and relaxing. The others are spergy and not in a good way.
I can't really answer your question as I don't really watch English Youtubers aside from random crime, science or nature channels and I wouldn't really see them as Vtubers/voice actors. I mean would it be entertaining to watch Vsauce, John Green and Hank Green as voice actors? You could possibly make a niche for it "Science Vtubers" and have them play games where they can experiment and explain the science behind it.
> I can't help but feel a lot of people have a double standard, Luna's fake voice is "God-tier" acting but if Gura does a fake voice it's sooo fake and cringey?
I named several reasons as to why Gura is fake, cringy and unfunny.Aside from Ina others are just cringy and come with random sex jokes to not go completely silent. Luna is God-tier at doing her yammering baby-voice. Likeable? Depends on the person watching her but you can't say she's bad at what she's doing.
Saying it feels unnatural to hear Japanese words tossed in English is a valid
critique, but "some random 30 year old Japanese gamer girl is as talented as a voice actor as A-list multi-millionaire voice actors in the USA" is not valid
The tiering I used in my post was mostly refering to voice acting in Anime or Western Cartoons. In Anime dubs the voice actors are all C/D-rank (unknown) voice actors, they're not on the level as Will Arnett/Jessica Walter in terms of voice acting. Hell they don't even come close.
I know these voice actors in Westernized Anime are Low-tier voice actors as it wouldn't be viable to hire an A-tier (voice) actor that would ask 200k+ per episode. Dubbed anime is usually made as cheaply as possible, that's why it also always sounds like they record the characters in a garage as their voices sound echo-ey/hollow and it sometimes seem they use different microphones per character.
The HoloJP streamers are good at embodying their characters and several of them would actually be viable to be voice actors for Anime and likely be at the top levels in Japan while doing so. Hence A/B-tier voice actors.
Some of the HoloEN streamers could be in dubbed anime or play a role in cartoons but knowing the voice acting in these are garbage-tier in general and their voices not being anything special I doubt they would be very well known if they went this route before Hololive. They would likely be cast as characters like the Nurse Lady in Pokemon or some random person they encounter on their journeys.>>128278
Didn't I just say I liked Ina multiple times and the reasons why I like her opposed to the other HoloEN streamers?(blogging, autism)
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Let's talk about this shameless leach. Kana no matter how many times you bring up Gura on stream and online, Gura and Amachiro will never acknowledge you. You're not her sister lol
she would've done even better than senna if cover had hired her lol. she's just outright a better loli voice actress.
weaker meme-game, curious if that would make the big difference.
Kana and her neverending salt over signing up with tsunderia before holoEN was a thing is always entertaining, however. really hope to see her stab her current clan in the back and jump ship the moment she gets the chance.
More entertaining than people making theories based on someone only liking a tweet, bitching about kiara for the 100th time, or bringing up old shit. >>128285
A collab would be bring up the good old loli shitfest, which would be fun to watch.
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If you wanted to talk about a REAL leech, how about "Blue Ame" (Amatsuka Uto). She commissioned Amelia's artist to draw her character's design and put in a lot of Hololive names in the metatags so that she will frequently show up in the search results. She even played similar games as the hologirls and started pandering to her foreign audience HARD with Duolingo streams as well as reading the audience's pogchamp meme superchats (which Amelia wouldn't do). Once she hit it big she then nuked her old videos as she rode the fame of being Amelia's sister. It doesn't help that Nabi supports and also has a bad case of sameface.
alexa, play ina's unravel.
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Chat log is restored although I think it's been edited. Someone else found the message, at least.
>Kiara I must confess I don’t like Takamori. Wasn’t a fan from the start. Constant overexposure has only made it worse. Heresy for a KFP worker to admit, yes, but it was really messing with my head not telling you at some point. PLZ DON’T FIRE ME!
This is probably after several messages on chat.
Well, he is just a fan who wants to be honest.
I do not think there were any harsh/mean words there. Don't it?
Honestly, hololive foundation was built on yuri-baiting, l3wd. Maybe somebody who do not like it will get unaccepted treatment.
This just open my eyes, how strong Coco was when the whole country attacking her.>>128350
What is this?
I think she's just had it after a bad day, that or she's really defensive of her real friendship with Mori outside the kayfabe.>>128352
It was more like a bunch of script kiddies in a forum. After the ROG Asus mishap that cancelled the collab with Fubuki and Botan, they suddenly lost steam shortly afterwards.
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>claims that she was invited to a momotetsu collab
>actually begged for it instead
She's self posted on PULL to defend herself so it's safe to say she knows this place too. Also kind of implied she self posted the "what's good venus" rant here long ago about how she is so much better for not marrying for a visa. >>128349
This is the girl that asked her viewers on stream which was cuter, her or yukapon then had a legit mental breakdown when everyone said yukapon. She's either extremely good at acting or just mentally unstable.>>128319
what is with EOPs and having to tell vtubers things like this? Vtubers aren't responsible for your mental health and don't need to know how you feel about dumb shit like this. As much as I dislike Kiara, these type of listeners are the worst.
What kind of reaction was he expecting from her anyway? “Thank u for sending me money uwu dw I still wuv you even if you felt the need to tell me that you hate my recent content”? Write a blog, asshole.>>128349
To be fair, she already turned off her SCs at this point in the stream.
"I am sorry that you don't like it, but I and many other people do" would do it.
It wasn't hate comment, and it was actually quite easily manageable…I mean, imagine what would happen if some asshole actually decided to intentionally hurtful. And being a public figure, which job is communication with random people, it's basically only a matter of time.
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She stopped using holo meta tags from today, she'll be carried by clippers now, so she doesn't need them. Interesting to see how high she can get.
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Still not seeing where it was confirmed artemis is a guy..even more so by this, was the earlier picture posted even confirmed that was them?
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The earlier pic magically popped up in /trash/ or somewhere around Artemis' debut day and there was a tweet saying he wore that exact shirt that day.
Also this comment thread from the previous thread is rather damning about Troontemis being true.
Kids like her because she's basically Nick Jr. the Virtual YouTuber who makes funny noises and speaks at a pace they can pretend to feel like they understand. Zoomers like her because she's bratty, obnoxious, shares their two-digit IQs and TikTok-sized attention spans, and because her speech mannerisms make everything she says sound like a meme. Millennials like her because of her parasocial appeal as a surrogate daughter/wife, endearing airheadedness, and her cute, high-pitched voice.
Blue is also the most popular color in the world, and its ability to subconsciously evoke feelings of calmness, compassion, security, loyalty, and trustworthiness has long been exploited by business and marketers (I don't think Sharkzawa is even close to intelligent enough to have actually chosen her color scheme purposefully for that reason, but it's still true).
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Is there any milk about Mocca Liebeskind?
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What do you think of HoloENs first merch? Imo its a flop compared to every other Holo merch.
A 40$ for picrelated tshirt (without shipping), and they are selling only one size - XL.
There are much better prints from fans out there compared to that. Imo it'd be better if they used original concept art. Not worth the price.
Sage for nomilk.
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So why didn't they just have ina draw it? Her chibi style is cuter and she's already a legit illustrator.
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The comparison gets even worse when you take into consideration the fact that Cali is quite skilled at graphic design.
Reeeee why buy that movie or album, those people get paid 100x your monthly salary!
because, assuming I didn't just torrent that movie or album, it actually has value to me.
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found this on ig, looks like we'll be seeing a rise in indie ENvtubers. Soon the vtuber scene is gonna be too oversaturated.
Everyone instantly started wanting to be vtuber the second holoEN auditions were released, and later during summer you could see nothing but "vtubers" everywhere, even now. And twitter along w others always had their stupid "guides" on how to become one. You seem pretty slow.
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This artist's vtuber model is a femboy trap shark. Which is so funny considering Artemis.
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Its a heavily inspired copy of trap japanese VTuber from this post lol >>128964
(behind the scene it is a girl roleplaying as her character who appears to be a trap, gladly the fully aware one)
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This girl, @sharksprite has some small time milk potential. This isn’t the first time that she’s been pissy about design copying because she’s one of the people who thinks ocean = instafame and now that her “omg shark” following stopped she’s salty.
Sage because it’s still kinda powdery milk but she has a really big ego, potential to come back up. She’s part of Domos circlejerk
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>Tweets weekly about what snacks she’s ordering on Ubereats or what Skeb art commission she’s waiting for, while also constantly e-begging over her account being overdrawn. Cap is from a week or two ago.
>Her gf/friend is constantly posting selfie’s and then deleting them making a big deal about how everyone missed her face reveal while calling herself vain in her bio.
The two of them aren’t much now but the shark girl Mako was brought up in an earlier thread, and since then she’s definitely become way more dramatic and isn’t slowing down. Group that with being in domos circle and clearly being jealous of Artemis and I think she and the plant girl are a ticking milk bomb worth keeping an eye on
The VShojo group is already pretty dead. Melody doesn't collab with the group and the red haired tts "girl" easily gets triggered
by her chat when she can't be decent at a game. Not to mention they all have a one trick gimmick of being horny to the point where it gets weird.
The only good EN I've seen so far are the ones who already been streaming for a while and just randomly added a model with no debuting or personality shit added.
lmao I was going to post something from zentreya's latest VOD but she deleted it.
They were on a banning spree because a group of chatters were donating passive aggressive comments about her gameplay. She got so pissed about chat calling out her pay2win ff14 accounts. Was funny as fuck.
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Of course someone who misleads their viewers with a shitty TTS program wouldn't be emotionally mature enough to handle when people ask to hear their real voice
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Why is Chiika on two sides exactly? I was hoping the unapologetic group names ending in 'Live' would have some degree of commitment to them.
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Following Zentreya is done to look like someone who supports indietubers without actually going to the streams.
Unironically watching Zen is for sub 18 year olds who have nothing better to do now that the chink virus canned school attendance.
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That is incredibly similar to yukibunns's old vtuber design.>>128967
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this is so odd, did he not think about how weird this was beforehand or did he not care https://twitter.com/kaptenmala44/status/1338855378621120524?s=21
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She’s made multiple tweets in the past saying how she isn’t a "real" VTuber, or doesn’t feel comfortable calling herself one because she’s "different". I think she’s trying to remove herself from the expectations people have of VTubers or something, or she has imposter syndrome.
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Ah..some more English Indie vtubing trash waiting to "debut", anons were right the EN scene is just oversaturated with garbage.
Men using female avatars is not really a novel concept. You'll come across many on twitch, Japanese and English.>>129171>>129175
I think Mocca is a man because of her voice which sounds a bit forced, and her weirdly obscure retro taste in video games, although that could also just be me being sexist. She also had this "just call me whatever the fuck you want" line in regards to her pronouns in her twitch description, which she removed recently.
In any case she seems to just want to chill out with other nerds and not be some loud over the top entertainer, and at that she is good.
Also what is that article she got upset about? I was checking out her latest stream but it's 7 hours long.
>>129182>I think Mocca is a man
I remember when I saw the youtube posted somewhere a while ago I thought it was a troon, but all the youtube videos are nuked now. I checked twitch and the voice sounds weird af, like a gay man voice run through a pitch filter that makes it sound higher.
If it's really a woman she has the most unfortunate voice, but in the current year I'll trust my heart and say it's a guy.
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Strike witches and Kancolle themed vtuber. Indie vtubers love relying on gimmicks. >>129005
I know that Gura/hololive don't own the concept of sharks in general, but all the shark vtubers that keep popping up just seem like they're doing to ride off her clout.
Sharks are a pretty obscure animal to choose, they're not cute or funny or culturally significant. It's very suspicious that so many girls pick one right after Gura made it big.
Gura chose a shark for her own personal reasons that go back years, she didn't pick it random. Do all the other people have a personal history with the animal? I doubt it.
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Sheesh, I used to love comfyRana because I felt she was down to earth and chill. But ever since becoming partner, she’s just been e-begging and guilt tripping her followers. “I’ve been getting no support.” “I won’t be able to move because I didn’t get enough donations and now I may end up in a bad place!” I get she’s disabled(though it doesn’t seem physical), but just seems she’s lazy going by some other things she’s said(my caretaker usually cleans the house for me, because I can’t for reasons????).
She reminds me of an indie version of Kiara.
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>>129188>I get she’s disabled(though it doesn’t seem physical, but just seems she’s lazy going by some other things she’s said(my caretaker usually cleans the house for me, because I can’t for reasons???.
You clearly don't understand that part, she has multiple health issues and is on the spectrum, disabilities and issues which are being ignored in the place she currently lives. She can't access a doctor who is actually willing to help her figure out what's wrong with her health and her caretakers which she needs due to her health conditions have stopped coming because of the pandemic and she isn't a priority.
It's because she doesn't have access to the support she needs where she's currently living that she has been rushing to move as quickly as possible. Which honestly I don't get why you're complaining, it was a donation goal with a time limit that she'd talk about in her personal server and bring it up on stream if someone asked. Many other streamers have done the exact same thing and is completely normal in streaming culture.
If you're going to complain about comfyRana at least bring up some actual milk and the real reason why you're bringing her up a month after all of that took place.>just today she fully came out on twitter as non-binary/agender and now wants to be called they/them>recently did an IRL stream>she commissioned a Live2D from Yueko which per her artstyle, while unique looks super uncanny>recently broke up with her boyfriend, most likely due to how he might've lied about how much he had saved up to help her move and buy a house.
Which one of these is actually bothering you?
i think the weirdest part is just the plot of "i am a grown man but i woke up in a little girls body in the virtual world and i'm trapped!!!"
guys being female vtubers (like artemis and mocca) is not a new concept of course, but warping into a baby is a concerning one for sure
Boo-hoo your e-waifu is sick and "on the spectrum" so no bulli her about dis! Probably shares the same illnesses as IronMouse. She isn't a priority because she probably doesn't have it THAT bad. She also deleted a lot of her discord shit begging for money to move in with her LD bf and guilt tripping her followers. Sorry that i hurt your fee fees talking about someone you can relate to.
And yeah, while that other stuff is most recent, she's been on this path since partner….which is why i brought her up now. Her L2D isn't milk as everyone who has the money is re-redebuting with animal themes.
Now, even with that image you posted you can see how passive-aggressive she is towards her followers. I don't care that she's "disabled" this is what this thread is for. Saged for ranting.
Imagine being this autistic, gatekeeping a fucking animal because only your precious 2D waifu has "a personal history" with it.
Gosh, the scrotes in here are retarded.
think he has a point, ngl
it's not gatekeeping, just an observation
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hate to agree with the wk but yeah yueko's art is SUPER uncanny especially the 2D models, not to mention pretty boring looking tbh
This reminds me of the anime girls edited with realistic mouths meme
Except his point makes no fucking sense.>sharks are not cute or funny or culturally significant
Bullshit. People are all over that Ikea stuffed shark for example. Left shark. Baby shark. Tsundere shark edits.
Sharks have been very popular and memey for years now. "picked for her own personal reasons" my ass. Every quirky girl loves sharks because they THINK it's unique but it's not.
Shark in Japanese sounds exactly like her name. That could be one of her personal reason.
Its unique in anime and manga. I dont think there are well known shark anime girls/boys aside from wadanohara, shark girl (manga) and Kisame (naruto). Its just weird that shark characters now poppin left and right after Gura got big.
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that weird unauthorized Hololive dating sim that was on kickstarter apparently was going to have r-18 stuff, no wonder YAGOO canned it almost immediately.
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Ever since I was a little scrote, I've been waiting to live out my fantasy as shark boy. Now that the technology is here, I can live out my fantasy. I introduce to you…sharky boi.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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I was watching a vtuber and they recommended another person to watch and I want to share this cursed design with you
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kiara is an SJW whore who fucked men for clout(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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this thing is literally a fucking giant troon, im gonna vomit
the one stream I watched of hers she was talking about how great NTR/cuck and ugly bastard hentai was and talking about how great asanagi's work is
Why are all these coomer vtuber girls so nasty
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Seems like a shit Hoshikawa Sara ripoff.
Go back scrote.
Go cry to your autistic board about how your garbage game threads are dying.
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If we doxxed every single poster on lolcows and /jp/ the result would be sad, so many ugly faggots. Kiara with or without makeup is objectively pretty compared to most women. Most women are brown statistically , and it is not lost on me that most people wouldnt even care if the vtuber isn't white or asian. People from all over the world obsess over white women, it must be stressful. You cant expect a teenager to realize what theyre getting into. Teenage Kiara just wanted to pursue a glamorous career in weebland like many kids . Unfortunately, by the time she realized how utterly disgusting and evil the idol industry is, it was too late. Entertainment visa or not, she had 2 options. Either make money by doing weird ass random lite fetish wrestling videos and and singing, and later lewd cosplay, or go on down to Kabukicho and get fucked to pay the bills until you cant handle it anymore and go back to osterreich a broken husk. She made the best of a bad situation. And the only reason people arent agreeing with these truths, is that /jp/ anything anonymous is and always has been schizo tier. As of right now, Kiara is objectively richer and better off and has a future more than 99% of us. And im proud of her, because I'm not insecure. There are 2 types of roommate posters. One does it because it's truly bizarre amd interesting (almost all hololive talent lived interesting lives prior to joining, and the company had to have known this but either didnt care or knew it would work out), and two posts because they lnow their youth is running out and constantly has to compare themselves and their problems to these virtual girls who are the flavor of the year. Regardless of malicious intent, studying it all as a whole has been exciting and the lessons can be applied to the future.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
Her audience loves being insulted by her. That's not out of the ordinary, her manager probably told her to lean more into being toxic
Nice bait scrote, try harder and learn to sage.
The only people posting these rants are people who hate her trying to bait others.
umm chile anyways….>>129401>>129342
I cant handle these designs omg the short shorts with the thong showing is so early 2000 trash, it looks fresh out of a kid's deviantart profile
She is someone living her idol dream. A fighter who never gives up and fills your spirit with energy.
It is fun to see her struggle and then get better at stuff.
Genki. High energy, ridiculously cheerful, outgoing, and loud to contrast with her more chill and tame genmates. Also has high confidence but is an overall idiot that some people can’t help but root for.
Also sage your posts, newfag.
>>129632>in order for her to get more views
Imagine someone on youtube trying to get… views. Crazy.
Kiara is the one that works the hardest for hololive, she took the initiative with her song, the voicepack and holotalk. Blows half the hololive roster out of the water. She tries to unite everyone and make everyone happy.
they've been a popular meme but not popular enough to see every e-girl/thot/streamer/whatever having a shark persona or for shark personas to start popping up.
either way its just an observation considering memeic popularity doesn't usually translate over into sona-popularity.
She's not gonna fuck you bro. If you actually kept up with all this shit it's hard to say:>she is already spoiled milk at this point
When she herself keeps basically self-inserting herself into anyone and everyone's business lately.
saying crap like this dont confirm you point dude.
>When she herself keeps basically self-inserting herself into anyone and everyone's business lately.
You want her stop interacting with the others like everyone does? thats just dumb.
Fuck Moona & Iofi then too right? Since following that narrative they're both riding the tailcoats of people much more popular than them?Or
the JP members are just very hesitant on inviting other people for collabs, whereas the non-JP members don't have that stigma.
Anons please see this>>128367
People hate Kiara because of her pick me personality. Doesn't help that her fanbase is rotten and will jump at any criticism of her.
This. Shes so fucking full of herself.
I remember the minecraft tour that pekora prepared for her. She was so self centered and didnt appreciate what pekora was showing to her. She was dismissive of almost everything pekora showed her.
For every location she brings the chicken she just went. Uhh. Nice okay. Also pay attention specially when they rode the haachama coaster. She keeps on complaining its slow. Pekora says its great for sight seeing. But this fucking chicken just keeps on complaining about it being slow. Pekora said it a couple of times that its good for sight seeing.
Jesus learn to read the mood. It was for sight seeing not a thrill ride.
It's especially egregious because Moona and Pekora naturally became friends over the course of playing together and don't do cringe yuri bullshit (I don't think yuri baiting is something Pekora does at all, but I could be wrong), whereas Kiara immediately went for play acting Pekora's lover or stalker or whatever it is she's trying to do. You do this kind of stuff with people you know and are friends with, if at all, not with people you meet for the first time.
Her copying Pekora's laugh is downright skinwalker tier. She came across as very creepy to me.
Yeah, like Peko's laugh isn't unique perse (in the sense inhale laughs are a thing) but it was very apparent after awhile. Peko doesn't yuri bait purposefully, she's open minded that she'll play along like with marine.>>129703
This, anyone defending Kiara actually doesn't watch her content, know who she is or trying to score points from her knowing she lurks here.
She is not for u then.
At least with her boring persona, she able to grap 7k-10k views in most of her live.
She's the polar opposite of Haachama personality wise and is weirdly competent at games compared to her friends (Gura and rhythm games aside).
Also her drawing streams are actually worth keeping since she doesn't relegate herself to Live2D model commissions or random OCs like most art streamers do.
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Apparently only a day after she switched pronouns she hopped into the VC that some of her mods were in or something and got misgendered.
Que her making a server wide announcement calling out her mod team, then the ones that were online at the time or suspected of being in the VC getting harassed by SJW white knights, and finally multiple members of the mod team resigning and leaving the server because of the harassment combined with the announcement.
probably just filters
I was gonna joke that she looks like the white girl that tries to be a "baddie" and talk "ghetto/hood" and then I remembered….she does EXACTLY that kek
People who complain about that genuinely do it for attention and live in some dream world.
People go through what they are on a day to day basis and
get disowned by family, friends, and the world around them. Yet take the brunt of it and keep going.
In no way shape or form can you compare them with that
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some fuckin loser made a video basically spreading everything about Gura that was in this board including some of the dox stuff.
quite a funny ratio
>>129815>she hated that people always called her a drunk in her past life
With video titles like "i got blitzed and sang country road" which is still online I'm not so sure.>>129817>she clearly doesn't want to be associated with her prev persona.
She clearly wanted the subscribes from back then when she strongly hinted at her old persona in the debut stream. I doubt that changed much though, it would have turned out like that anyhow.
It was incredibly bad coverage and somewhat offensive. It basically started off "so this streamer Gura had a channel called Brown Bee here's her pictures, she was into littlest pet shop, Canada and Nantucket, and she did some VA work LUL - BTW senzawa!!".
Completely omitted her room tour and also the detective work proving the claims.>>129829
It was up since Dec 25.
You see, they did though, Un authorized use of an intellectual property, with no transformative context, it didn't at all fall under fair use.
Just because information is public, doesn't mean you should be spreading it around.
>>129847>Un authorized use of an intellectual property, with no transformative context
This is false, that video exceeded the 'transformative' standard, by far.
>doesn't mean you should be spreading it around.
Oh really? Why don't you tell me more about what I should and shouldn't do. I love being preached to by random internet retards.
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small channels like this one have no idea how to youtube, you wont get viewers if you are antagonizing your target audience with BS.
Even Woohoolad stopped doing this crap when he realized it wasn't the way to go , now he's got 100k subs.
While I like Woohoolad , Hero Hei is a Retard, holy fuck that guy is a joke. I actually believe Woohoolad likes hololive, Hero Hei just rides the latest trends and spreads misleading un researched garbage.
No matter how much i block HH on socials and YT he always appears, i hate it.
Usually they get C&D first and the video owners usually comply quickly and private it, if ignored they get claimed like the video above.
Happened to a few dox youtube channels in the past (hlg lonely gossiping mother comes to mind).
Also for anyone interested, Gura's voice123 profile was just scrubbed 2 days ago to remove any personal info, it previously hasn't been touched in 4+ years.
quick rundown on the whole aqua and pekora drama back from their NND days?
There are clips of pekora making aqua cry, pekora and her fans raidiing and killing Aqua in that battle royale game on her birthday etc
apparently they both liked the same utaite on NND or something but aqua was too autistic to realize he wanted to fuck her
the two have basically never collabed one on one and only appeared in large group scaled collabs such as sports day or that project winter game and even in that project winter vid, the two barely interacted, aqua spent the entire stream by herself while pekora was interacting with everybody
the curry video was one of their real first collab
no that NND drama was a long time ago, those were just some things I noticed
the dislikes are probably from the chinks again, they dislike bombed pekora's vids back in april
Personally don't really believe it as "just joking, i'm just drunk" in situation where she also nuked her voice123 account. Prob annoyed by massive doxxing but got scolded by manager because of her snapping might kill the vibe and confirm the doxx itself.
Also, she said that she's serious on New Years' Clip so…
yeah shes just doing some damage control lol its clear she got upset by chat saying that she was drunk which is weird imo. Being drunk or tipsy during NYE isnt uncommon. Must be the pressure getting to her.
Also her voice123 account lists her as a "male senior" now, I wonder if she did that to confuse people/squash the rumors even if everyones and their grandma know her past persona and real name at this point.
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this is right under her voice123 profile lmao
lets not make up schizo narratives, this profile >>129989
hasnt been active for a year and from the voice sample it doesnt sound like Senna in the slightest.
I don't get it. This is the usual reaction to high-pitched anime voices in every normalfag stream, and from what I just saw that guy seems to be a reaction streamer with that kind of audience. They hate weeaboos and anything anime related and make fun of them all the time and call them pedophiles.
Unless of course this is just another oversensitive trans woman behind the anime avatar who thinks every mention of her is a personal attack.
This is why no matter how much of an asshole it makes me I just can't support the whole "coming out!" thing because of the droves of people like this. It's literally template and clockwork and makes it seem like a fad than a serious life changing event that it is for some.>>130010>Unless of course this is just another oversensitive trans woman behind the anime avatar who thinks every mention of her is a personal attack.
This, virtually every time something like this happens its because it's a trans/NB person thinking they're being attacked or threatened.
Muni ALWAYS whines about 'nuh nuh PEOPLE COMMENT ON MY VOICE' for more than a year now, just to get pity and bigger viewership. She needs to grow a bone.>>130017
I remember in previous thread there were posted her own lewd artworks of her loli character kek
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Surprisingly none of Mocca, Mushi, or Lily were even bothered by the trans reveals. The only thing that's set Mocca off was some stalker trying to dox using it.
>>130211>I saw that one
Are you sure?>its not actually in the video
It is in the video.>Theres no chat anymore
There is a chat (on-screen).
Can you try to sage your useless posts at least?一時十六分十二秒
just a popup saying some "Jay" is playing animal crossing? that's a big deal? wow.
I think she played minecraft together as senzawa with a Jay but big whoop. in terms of what could potentially go wrong this is quite nothing.
but then again Towa got in some pretty hot shit over totally nothing that one time too. eh.
There is no fucking way Marine would agree to be in Kiara's Vlog. Kiara wouldnt even ask since Keekihime is basically public knowledge to anyone who wants to know…
Also I found this website with all of Holo JP Doxx. Does anyone have an updated one with EN doxx or nah? I don't know if this is new so I Saged…
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Theres also her Twitter with face pics and NND streams that have her talking in a normal voice.
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She played minecraft with BorbieOnWeed. Which is streamer from Sweden that's quite known. Jay (JayDeeVA), on the other hand, was in Euro Truck Simulator 2 collab and actually named Joel. Both Gura and he are voice actor.
Joel was the man's voice in this clip from Senzawa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5W8t4GYpzQ
and this is their collab streamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSFsa6c32c
From this stream, Joel called Gura by her real name and Gura jokingly admitted she's his prostitute(4:42). Pretty sure he's her bf. No big deal.>>130244
Lol, why is almost-nobody streamer is in the group full of holo-members? Anons in 4chan speculate that 'Jay' is Gura's manager, but it's just absurd to cut the video and take off the live chat feature just to remove the 'manager' animal crossing notification. Stop being a purist. 4chan anon need to learn that Gura is anything you imagine she is, but somebody that voice her is actual human being with actual human needs.
>>130383>cut the video and take off the live chat feature just to remove the 'manager' animal crossing notification
It was taken down for a potentially DMCA song. If you look the video up, the notification is still there at 1:16:11
>>130383>Joel called Gura by her real name
Senna isn't her real name>Gura jokingly admitted she's his prostitute(4:42)
This just came across to me as a spur of the moment lewd/vulgar joke. It feels like people taking it this way aren't familiar with that style of humor and just trying to force things. They may have been e-dating though, not denying that.
I wonder how these holoJP fanatics watch those JP stream. If you really understand Japanese, don't shun people that don't use it on daily basis. To me, an english speaker, holoEN is pretty enjoyable. Maybe because the culture is the same, I can understand references, memes, and jokes they make.
Also, I personally prefer the much normal pitched holoEN voice than Japanese high pitched one. I don't care if you think that's 'boring' pitch. Hell, even when I met Japanese irl they don't talk with same pitch and tone as the these vtubers.
Also about faking laugh, faking personalities; isn't those personalities design are fake to begin with? O shoot, so I'm not talking to a real Yakuza Dragon? o noo
Also, how could people judge Gura's laugh is fake and Pekora's laugh is God-tier real laugh? Gura's laugh is fckin normie. It's not particularly unique or anime-ish.
As a Japanese native, no you're incorrect lol. Unless by "engage" you mean acknowledge they're there, yes. Play along and be perverted and ironmouse levels of degeneracy? No. Even the few that does (Marine for example) everyone knows it's MOSTLY just joking, I've yet to really see any of the JP scene act in the same manner aside being "lewd" occasionally in 3D stuff and that's mostly because it's expected of certain ones, e.g Coco.
HololiveEN make it their personality to the point they legit get jealous if their "ship" isn't canon.
Have you seen Mel’s lives? She’s straight up ero and she’s HoloJP. Neither Choco’s ASMRs weren’t chaste.
But yes Vshojo only talent as a whole is pandering to coomers.
Anon, you should probably check what are people talking about before barging into conversation.
That aside, JP scene outside of Hololive has plethora of vtubers who make degeneracy their main point (Utako, Gundou, Gibara, Kagura Mea), and even Holo has Marine as you said yourself (even if she's joking, her recent I'M HORNY coomer pandering is mostly unbearable). Can't say much about EN girls, but yeah, Ironmouse and other VShojos don't seem much better to me. In the end, it's essentially the same as acting like a pure seiso angel, just on the other end of pandering spectrum.
I still feel like there's a lot of weebs on this thread who will ALWAYS feel JP is superior, no matter who EN comes out with or how much they improve.
When JP plays a character it's "muh genius A-tier voice actress goddesses doing a brilliant, fantastic, stunning job of playing a character." When EN plays a character it's "fake artificial degenerate whores trying to cling to fame."
Probably because you forget literal decades of shit tier English voice acting. Not all JP stuff is superior but being real, they dominate their fields which is why when something English based gets praised..it's for a very good
reason, e.g Fire Emblem 3 houses dub is borderline better in English than Japanese. This whole vtubing thing is a Japanese construct for the most part, it's like saying America makes superior anime because Japan has some shitty ones, you have to read between the lines lol.>When EN plays a character it's "fake artificial degenerate whores trying to cling to fame."
Vshoujo is literally the definition of this and majority of indies and "soon to debut" ones are literally this. You can't blame anyone for seeing groups (mostly JP and even ID) actually putting effort into their persona while injecting a bit of who they are into it. This is why Ina is probably the only EN I can stand because they aren't TOO wild with their personas and knowing who they actually are you can tell.