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THIS IS NOT A VTUBE GENERAL. >>>/m/114280
If it’s not potential milk it doesn’t belong here. This is a drama board. If you’re a /jp/ refugee looking to talk about corporate vtubers, Kiwi Farms has a more suitable thread for you. /trash/ on 4chan has more suitable western vtuber threads. Go there instead.
What belongs here:> Artemis, Domo, and related circlejerk> Kiaras desperation > Past/irl lives of corporate/holoEN> Melody getting banned, public fight for copyright> Deleted clips that have relevant milk> Provable dox (Jp schitzo screencaps are not valid)> Potentially milky indies worth keeping an eye on
Doesn’t belong here:> Narratives > Crying about boyfriends and other related coomer talk> Memes
Remember to embed YouTube videos at a minimum. This is an image board, screencap or properly archive tweets and vods instead of linking to them directly. Sorry the pic sucks, I didn’t want to use Artemis or holo because they are magnets for refugees.
Previous threads: >>106239 >>117518
I regret not putting Artia in the OP. She's so overdramatic and it seems like her discord has potential milk.
Do the other Holo girls have discord servers?
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Is it just me, or is the way those scizo posts in the previous thread are worded seem a lot like a Chinese person trying their best to appeal to what makes Americans angry?
>kiara is an SJW twitter activist whore
>mori is an SJW tranny braphog
>ina is an SJW traitor
It's almost to the point of a parody of what a western internet user might type in anger.
Sage your posts, type sage in the email field.
That was just a jp rumour without anything behind it. She's friends with most of the people in that group pre-holo since most of them are established career artists.
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Ina will occasionally make artists seethe when they see all the things she managed to do before reaching age 30.
Also Atelier Live scooted her neighbor Nagu out of their circle but once again, private info is boarded up in case the completely wrong photo in >>119278
didn't indicate that to you.
The managing narrative is highly unlikely, there's was only a single /jp/ post that said that, as far as I remember.>doing this on the side behind Hololive's back
I'm pretty sure they can keep doing anything they did before, they just need to not expose their identities blatantly. As long as they do the minimum of 3 (from what I remember from the audition's form) streams per week and don't "damage" the brand, Cover won't care.>>120245
The only real cow on HololiveEN is Kiara, I would say, given her past. The others didn't do anything much, at least from what is known.
Honestly, Ina's art streams are the only thing I "watch". I put them in the background while I do stuff because I find her voice soothing. Don't really pay attention to the stuff she talks about tho. Her career seems pretty established so I can understand the jealousy from other talentless ethots.>>120257
With most whitegirlgoestojapan types, they all are pretty kooky to begin with. Any boomerfags remember kanadajin3? Fuckin nuts. I think Kiara is pretty much up that alley, just less insanity and more narcissism. Her excessiveness in her streams and collabs is probably realizing her lack of talent in comparison to the other Holo girls. I just don't think shes engaging/interesting/entertaining. I do think shes not in a great place mentally rn tho, and I think its pretty sad how much hate she gets. People really zone in on her with attacks (which she reads cuz she actually browses these boards lmao). But I genuinely hope she improves and engages an audience and works to better herself. Because why wouldn't I lol? Just cuz I don't like her stuff doesn't mean I have to hate her for existing. I'm also not a very judgmental person for stuff in people's past, but I can understand the taboo with the escort shit.
No. They probably took it out just to not bring problems for her. And AtelierLive is not an agency, just a group of friends. They just gave it a name.
Also, add sage to the "Email" part if you are not adding any new info.>>120258
I can only wish her the best. About her past, it's whatever, I don't really care about it anyhow. The comment is pretty much about potential milk, and it's mostly about her behaviour in the past. If she can somehow get it together and do things properly, that would be great for her, but that feels unlikely to happen.
She maxed at 121k viewers on this karaoke stream btw, how good is that?
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I fixed Ina
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I just wanted to point it out but senzawa kinda looks like tsuruko even though they're both comepletely different people.
It's probably just the channel Himemori Luna goes to when they feel like streaming games that aren't fit for the main channel, or also if they want to spend some time out-of-character/without the vtuber model.
Pretty sure a majority of Hololive (especially older members) have secondary channels that serve the same purpose with varying degrees of activity.
jesus the yuribaiting
this wouldn't fly for english audience
where in the video do they say "sucking their tits", all i see is "sucking up their youth"
don't get me wrong, i hate these degenerates as much as you do but if they didn't say it i'm not gonna pretend like they did lmao
you need to know the context then, perhaps this video doesn't reveal that
marine constantly talks about sucking tits of other talents
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Looks like Tenleid (also goes by Yazy, known for being girlfriend of the Mother’s Basement dude) is also hopping on the Vtuber bandwagon
LMAO that explains the cheap whore outfit with the womb tattoo, considering Yazy has absolutely no taste and looks and acts about as trashy as they come. "Wholesome" kek
inb4 randoms come back when she debuts wondering if she's a tranny because of her voice
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Yazy has talked about how much she loves gyaru in videos and on twitter before, maybe this design is inspired by that… though she was obviously going for hentai gyaru or the slutty tropes, and even with that she missed the mark completely.
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How up-to-date is this image? It seems different from the one posted last thread
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Noel Knight cups
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Youngest to oldest:
Holy fak. this is the next level of doxing.
I wonder where people got this detail.
this site has a lot of other information too
I am not 100% sure of the context
Apparently Rushia was stripping for some guy with no money being involved, most likely a guy she was fucking/wanted to fuck. And he recorded without permission?
If you know Japanese you would probably get more context
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Even her fans know she's speedrunning JP hololives at this point. Kiara no matter how many JP holos you collab with you will never be one yourself. I guess it is all she can really do as far as collabs go because her collabs within her own group are always awkward. Even with her good friend and fellow yuribaiter Mori her collabs feel off and disingenuous. She doesn't even try to stagger her collabs and space them out. She finishes one collab then immediately has to find another JP senpai to collab with. Kinda sad that's all her streams have come down to.
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Fucking ew. I wish we had a GOOD gyaru vtuber. Even Saki is bordering on ecchi bullshit. The lower stomach really seals the deal on her making it after reading a ton of hentai.
What an awful design, it's not even Gyaru, nothing about it looks gyaru, having a tan does not make you gyaru. its just a generic whore whos tanlines don't even make sense.
Also Slugbox is a massive loser who often goes on self hate threads about why being white means you are evil.
The worst part is Tenleid loves to go on about how much she loves gyaru, too, when it's plain and obvious just by that that she only likes it for porn.
She did a porn photoshoot in a very similar type of outfit too (NSFW, obviously.)https://twitter.com/tenleid/status/1299132603480506368
>>120437>wdym i thought slugbox was asian.
Oh so he is just racist, my bad. >>120440
I don't think she knows that Gyaru does not mean looking like a stupid whore.
Even if she is only into the style from anime, there are no Gals that look like this.
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Marine being in her late 20s makes her constant overly sexual bait so much more uncomfortable
god this is so fucking ugly. idek if it's just because tenleid is ugly in general but her hideous design for her vtuber makes that much more sense now.
its like the bitch read metamorphosis once and was like "omg I love gyaru!!!!!"…which probably isn't far off bc she owns a physical copy kek
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Someone made fanart for tenleid's vtuber design and it's just….a redraw of a street snap, and they try to take credit in the comments like "this is what I'd imagine her wearing day to day" kek
Looks like she was doing a sex call with someone. He was secretly streaming it but she realized when he responded to a comment saying he was in the way. You can see the comment viewer he used on the bottom of the screen. She freaked out and asked him to cut the stream and he looked pissed that he was found out.
I feel bad for her. Fuck the guys that secretly film and post girls like this.
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Yazy confirms the moth is supposed to be gyaru. Gross.
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It looks like she has commissioned a bit of fan art and has been pushed by @luulubuu on twitter who I don't know much about other than they are a tranny lesbian incel that is active on resetera .
Marine being marine is one thing, but this chart made me realize something else.
I asume you know how touchy feely Korone is towards Okayu. Which would be fine if they're at least similar in age, or with Korone being younger but… Korone is 35 and Okayu is 22. That's just weird, man.
apparently mori referred to her real name or something
also confirmed, she hated idols and idol culture before it made her money/allowed her to sell music/promote herselfhttps://warosu.org/jp/thread/S29122056#p29123073
does anyone have any vids of shion's past life aka kuroa
I saw a brief clip on youtube of her
From all the research I did, she privated all of her twitcast vids, apparently she was a super depressing teen a year or two back before she joined hololive
also as another gift, back in August, Haato streamed on her twitcast after years of not streaming
she tweeted it out on her personal/roommate account but deleted the tweet afterwards
here's the saved stream if anyone else wants to save/archive it or just want to see haato's roommatehttps://twitcasting.tv/pikurusu_003http://www.mediafire.com/file/vr7q9ydnwymec0u/Haato_past_life_twitcast_august_17th.mp4/file
courtesy of /jp/ and a certain other board
also here's lofi's doxx
I've been spamming it on 4chan for months only because I noticed something peculiar
On 4chan, jannies/mods can imageban certain hashes of images, so if you post said image, you get permabanned if you post it
Some guy was spamming lofi's doxx back during the summer but then the image got imagehash banned, so I managed to save it and spam it with a seperate hash
pic in the link, save it before it dies, I already archived it elsewhere
she's a degenerate fujo(lolcow.farm/info)
I thought she lost at strip poker, at least that's what I heard on /jp/ back when that vid dropped
what about those weird vids posted on /jp/ with the aqua orgasm porn vid or the alleged matsuri pornhub vids? those were posted around the same time as the rushia strip poker vid
v.ikx announced they're not archiving vtuber streams anymore maybe because of legal reasons?
also here's a clip of noel's fuckup from a few months back when she destroyed her laptop
daily reminder back in may noel aka canan sperged out threatened to sue the entire internet since anons were sharing her lewds https://files.catbox.moe/w25iic.mp4
also yeah there's that pic from earlier this year with a timestamped date on it that proved she was an old hag but I didn't save it https://youtu.be/pKffpcWrOBk?t=185
Not surprised about Matsuri at all, considering that she is a degen in and out of Hololive, but if Aqua thing is true, I am surprised.>>120468
You don't know japanese culture and idol industry, do you?
I don't see a problem with it, the two have great chemistry and still collab and interact often unlike other failed pairings
matsuri and luna are fucking done, did you guys see how matsuri spent money on that birthday song for luna and retweeted it literally 6 or 7 times at luna and luna hasn't acknowledged her existence even once since? it's been like 4 weeks now
also like we saw in the last thread, at least it's fun for the fans, since shion denying it fuels the fans unlike fake pandering garbage like what kiara does on a daily basis
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anon… your sage and image board reps…
why does kiara look sexier with her face censored lmao
did she actually destroy her keyboard by slamming it on her knee? >>120495
Isn't the first one Rushia? That's the stripping clip
just for you I went and checked every picture posted in last thread
and you are wrong
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Is there any place where I can see Demondice's old deleted tweets from around 2014-2016?
Tone the autism down just a tad anon
So all of the hookup stories are made up? I understand waifubaiting, but I thought these girls actually did hang out irl. I actually stopped watching Marine after the Shion story because she spent an entire stream on it and it was so pandery and gross. If they get together and make up lewd stories to tell on stream, that's almost worse
Obviously they are, there is no way in hell they would actually hook up and brag about it, after all HLs are nothing but characters played by women who are sitting behind screens, having their managers telling them what to not say on mic.
Marine is very known for lewdbaiting, talking about fetishes and making many situations 'sexual', because that's what coomers like about her character. Marine and Shion are okay with eachother, they are good friends and they still stream together while joking about things.
There are more holos out there who are pandering to others by making up stories or turning any situation into 'ara ara' sexual one, just go find yourself. Not the first time.
The watermark is right there though…
Only ones marked 18 person in question.
Imo it's not herhttps://video.fc2.com/a/account/29436031
Okayu is definitely way older than 22>>120516
It's definitely a coincidence, many high-pitch moans would probably sound similar to that. So it's indistinguishable.
Luna's pretty milky ngl. Former member of Nijisanji (Moruru) who quit to join Hololive, with a well-established streaming record prior to becoming a vtuber known for repeatedly quitting personas and ditching projects.
She's really been pushing at a relationship with Subaru ever since cutting things off with Matsuri. This is just narrative, but as degen as Matsuri is, she's been really set on not starting actual relationships with people from the same company, which is what pushed Luna away.
Depends what you're watching her for: Her autism as entertainment, or for her "lewds" and "muh degeneracy".>>120536
Like all v-tubers, judge when you see like 1 week of their content. A good character design and rigging means nothing to me in terms of entertainment
Ngl That’s actually kind of based>>120529
A lot of Senzawa refuges imo. Since I doubt that channel is coming back.
On topic of Hoshi, I’ve heard she is a halfie irl and looks pretty hot.
Can anyone confirm?(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
As far as I know, Mirei once said that she wants to join hololive to be able to kiss girls. There's multiple occasions where she talked about her ex-gfs so maybe she really did kiss her? No idea.
Niji is a more open company than cover really. There's one couple of girls who are openly lesbian and dating each other. (Again, it might be yuribait. But they talked about it so much and collabed together that chances are likely that they're relationship is genuine)
Like I said, that part is just speculative narrative. All we know is the following:
-Matsuri and Luna went from regular collabs to no contact.
-Matsuri made a song for Luna, which Luna has not acknowledged. You can find the song on Matsuri's channel and Luna's lack of any response to it on twitter.
-Luna has been regularly collabing with Subaru now. The nature of their projected relationship is not like the one with Matsuri (Subaru has never been one for yuri-baiting)
I'm not gonna say that Luna wanted a relationship with Matsuri and cut her off when she didn't get it because there's know way of knowing that. They've definitely had some kind of falling out though if you look at the things they've said leading to Matsuri now trying to interact with Luna and being largely ignored.
No one knows what happened. The hime just stopped collabing with her, and didn't retweet the birthday gift video from Matsuri. See >>120501>>120564>proof of her going after Subaru
There isn't one? Luna-Suba relationship doesn't sound like yuribait, more like two friends having a blast.
Yuribait would be noel-flare which is nonforced (unlike marine-rushia) and has been going for quite a while. I also found this which sounds like a bit 4ch narrative a bit concrete evidence: https://warosu.org/jp/thread/S25737208#p25739556
Though, anyone knows where to find canan stream archives? I want to see the bruises for myself. ← (Yeah I know I'm asking to be spoonfeeded ^o^)(^o^)
Gundou Mirei is notoriously bad at playing a character and pretty much just streams as herself. What she's said so far is that she's bisexual and has a high body count of women, and (around debut) stated that she's never been romantically interested in a man. She also has a really in-depth understanding of how the lesbian dating scene works in Japanese culture so I don't think she's lying about being bisexual. But on the other hand she did state her type as Roa in the same stream that she went into all the above, and MireRoa was a huge couple when they debuted, so that could all still be fanservice lol.
The MireRoa thing is pretty milky since they abruptly quit collabing despite being publically close. Roa subsequently went on a public rant crying about how it's the fanbases fault for pushing them apart, which Gundou ignored at the time. In a later twitcast where Gundou spoke a lot about how she wished she had debuted with Fumi (she's also mentioned in other streams that she auditioned with the intention of being a compliment to Fumi's role) she also said that if Fumi had been the one crying instead of Roa, she would have comforted her.
You'll notice Gundou Mirei has a really high dislike ratio on some of her earlier videos and it's because of the whole Roa thing, a lot of fans felt like Mirei was too cold to Roa.
Yeah, I don't personally like Hoshikawa but I think the two are a good match. Mirei has said that she sees relationships in terms of cost-benefit and has no problem cutting people off when things stop being suitable for her so someone like Hoshikawa who keeps things easy-breezy is best for yuribait collabs.
Let's see how long this lasts though lol seeing how she ditched both GunKan and MireRoa when the fans got too annoying.
Halfie is just her backstory, we don't know anything about her IRL appearance.
Mayuzumi Kai and Hana Macchia are both half white half Japanese and Kanae is half Japanese with an English speaking mother, though.
True, but turning off that obvious gimmick voice would still be huge.
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tfw u commission expensive art but get a traced and frankensteined korone
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>>120576>Gets stuck with a tacky sword and shield that looks weird around her group>CALLIE I LOVE YOU>HYUH HYUH HYUH laugh>Unapologetic yandere for Pekora
Why does she have to throw so much…
I don't know anything about him other than his concept and a few intolerable clips I closed fast. I think his concept of dude trapped in doll body in interesting but his content itself being such an immediate turn-off is exactly why I pray to god we never get a HolostarsEN.
I like Miyabi of Holostars a lot for example but I know for a fact that any EN equivalent would just be some Polygon softboy.
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A copypasta from /jp/ regarding Matsuri's creepy behaviour:>Be Matsuri>Fall in love with a girl that likes dick [Hoshikawa]>Constantly rejected by her>Cry on twitcasts and make such a huge drama to a point some people start hating your love interest because your menhera attacks>Talk to a bartender>Send a lot of marshmallows and superchats to him>Get drunk and tell him you want him to be your big brother and take baths with you>Get ignored and rejected by him>Get completely outclassed by a tomboy with a sexy onee-san voice>Meet a qt 3.14 pro apex player>Actually get him to coach you>The tournament is your chance to impress him and win him over>End up tilting and your team ends 19/20 only because the other team was memeing with controllers>Cry and suffer the whole time>Met another qt in the after games, a spaghetti spilling weatherman>You actually try to be seiso instead of the degenerate everyone is used to>Have the time of your life>He never calls you back>Find a princess that loves you back [Luna]>She calls you when you were depressed after the apex shitshow>She values and depends on you a lot>When she gets sick instead of helping her you go back to confess your love to the dick loving girl>Fall into an endless APEX obsession>Your viewers tell you to bring some variety and that they are tired of APEX>Instead of improving you take a break playing more APEX>Return from break and keep on doing APEX streams>Fans actually start leaving you>Start to argue with antis on twitter to later delete everything>Meanwhile your dick loving love interest is having the best time with a retarded australian>Despite all of this you keep on streaming APEX, and it seems everything is going fine>Then a Shark appears>The Shark puts a trident in your ass and starts buttfucking you>You start bleeding viewers>You end up loving it and ask for Gen 5, Korone and Pekora to buttfuck you the next day>Do a collab with a gook>Despite being hyped up and having your fox senpai to help you, you still can't make over 5k>That collab also brings a curse to this land>get buttfucked in the next days by a detective with brain damage and an autistic reaper>Boys and girls from all branches are having fun and teetee>you're alone, playing APEX>Eventually you decide to stop being an autist and join the minecraft server>You can't even recognise some of your kouhais>All of the girls except EN are playing Minecraft together>EN girls are having collabs together and interacting with each other and her senpais>All of the boys are playing among us together>All of them are having fun>You're alone, lamenting your existence on twitter and crying yourself to sleep>There's a Yathzee tournament coming>It's your chance to make a harem with all past love interests>Dedicate a stream to practice it, alone.>Tournament happens, you are doing fine>Suddenly the princess appears, and she's on a warpath>She utterly destroys your hopes and dreams>At some point she feels bad about you and tries to throw, but still manages to buttfuck you>Your dreams of a harem are dead>Later because of this and much more, you start having menhera attacks and suicide bait on your alternate twitter account>The menhera attacks are getting stronger, you end up trying to assault a squid in front of her fans>FRUS TRA TION IS GETTING BIGGER>You find your kouhais, a CEO, another menhera and a mom>You want the mom>BANG BANG BANG PULL MY MENHERA TRIGGER>The CEO is trying to befriend you but you, as a good menhera, take this as a personal attack and ignore her>Mommy turns you down politely>You keep on screaming and attention whoring until you leave without saying goodbye>Your fanbase is also full of menheras that pretend to be happy but use alternate accounts to have the menhera attacks>You look for those accounts and reply to them, making some of them delete their accounts>As the menhera attacks get worse, your roommate makes a stream>Despite all the makeup and filters, your roommate can't hide her eyebags, a sign of someone who clearly cries herself to sleep>In a bold claim, you go and say that if the fans don't like APEX they can go eat shit.>Shortly after go into a break>Your stalker, that for some reason you thought it was a good idea to make a mod in your channel, thinks that's because of your fanbase>Your fanbase start to attack each other>You have to come out and admit that a friend died so they stop fighting between each other>Meanwhile the princess is having her birthday>You prepared a cover that you promised months ago>You retweet it SEVEN times>You send an aka supacha>She doesn't mention it>Not a single holo acknowledges the video>Have a menhera attack on your roommate account>Your fans start pestering the princess because of your own stupidity>Have to make an apology and explanation on your roommate account
Here is a "date" Matsuri went on with her from Hoshikawa's perspective. Matsuri had put a lot of effort into preparing for it, you can find clips of her talking about it with her chat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvcWW5rMRmAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5uo10jYlCwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbwIKnwrdMw
This is Matsuri explaining her feelings a couple months prior:https://youtu.be/Wm6SUmOSqx4?t=159
Matsuri's other youtube channel, where she streams with face cam:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmrOHKPhWV1epCbTObd3eaQ/
Here's a couple clips where she and Luna talk about their feelings. Luna pushes Matsuri to commit, but Matsuri Says she feels like she wouldn't be able to do her job anymore if she fell in love with someone from the same agency. She repeatedly said she doesn't like Luna "in that way", but who knows.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXN3I6biChMhttps://youtu.be/_SjMGcg664Q?t=305
There seems to be a pattern of being unable to maintain a healthy distance and act appropriately in relationships, which leads to social isolation and perhaps exploitation (she spent a lot on Hoshikawa, who played with her even though she knew).
Not trying to throw a wet blanket on it or anything, Flare is definitely gay so them having sex off stream is possible.
But the way Canan was that day, you could assume she was showing off the bruises, but at the same time the bruises didn't look like a diminishing hickey or anything like that. If anything, it looked like jaundice to me. She's an alcoholic and if I remember correctly, she was drinking quite heavily before that stream.
His content of yelling and being toxic
towards female vtubers whenever he collabs makes me wonder if that’s why people watch him LMAO but honestly, I don’t think I’ve watched a “funny” male envtuber and he’s apparently the funniest one which isn’t saying much when his humor is just angry yelling.
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>>120636>the characters, avatars, etc. get to go with them
Are you sure about that? I don't remember working it like that, I was under the assumption that all characters belonged to Cover, HololiveCN was going to be the exception given the circumstances, but that got most likely scrapped.>>120630
I would like some examples of him being aggressive or toxic
towards other streamers. Spoonfeeding, I know, but I really don't know the guy much aside from his name.
Also, loud=funny is a curse that has been around for a while.>>120609
Yeah, if that is not a complete schizo, it could be very likely, good for them, if they're happy.
The only thing that bothers me is probably awkward public intimacy, kinda like that Mirei/Hoshikawa video, it felt out of place for me at least, but it's a good way to grab some more attention and money, and it probably works for them. Or maybe it's just me, but I digress. >>120628
Someone can try to get it better, but the gist of it is Matsuri can't get a grip on her feelings, and friendship and a romantic relationship get mixed up too much, her feelings make it hard on other, people she gets interested in either reject her or give up because they were once more or less rejected, and she came around too late. Also, she demonstrates a very unstable behaviour, that gets in the way of her work and others, since she goes on rants about it on her alt and it spills on her fanbase.
Also, newfags, please, sage your posts, just do as pic related shows and write "sage" in the Email tab.
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>Reddit points out that Amelia has streamed 100+ times since debut and has the highest stream count out of all of HoloEN
>Kiara is suddenly on her 3rd stream in 24 hours
It's the crumbs that people have dug up following tenuous links between online identities referenced by 3rd parties and contents of archive sites for those identities.
If those crumbs are to be believed, she was 18 and 21 in the red and brown hair photos respectively, so some change is expected.
Gura's VA has done a decent job wiping her online presence otherwise.
We don't even know if that was true since the only source of information was Artia and Civia. Both of whom proved very shady by responding to Aqua's leaked song and Civia leaking her own Birthday voice packs.
I still think that the whole "cover promised us!" thing was all a lie and they just said it to stir up shit. I highly doubt Cover would just hand over IP they developed.
There was never an official Cover statement regarding them keeping their characters, fellow redditor. That was only speculation. If it wasn't only for the T-word event, Cover even played nicely with them after what (most of) HoloCN did.
Artia's opinion to Chinese extreme nationalisthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul8E90RHAsI
HoloCN allied with chinese antis (repost)https://ibb.co/s9wDcSk
She hinted that it was going to happen like that, then "confirmed" on the Civia/Artia stream on twitch, but they got "betrayed" by the management or something like that, then she had a few episodes on discord and twitter (check the archives). But yeah, Cover not even once said that it was a fact.>>120659>>120661
It's just bizarre, honestly. Before seeing anything, I guess the benefit of the doubt can be a thing but to say that all that is antis at work… they deserve to be laughed, honestly.
I don't have any musical training so I can't really tell how good her technique is, but to my untrained ears, she just sounds pleasant to listen to and like she puts a lof of emotion in her singing. So even if it's not that professional it's very captivating.
I found that to be true specially when she sang Baka mitai it, you could tell how into singing it she was.
If you have the slightest understanding of singing you understand that she's a very good singer. Considering she's probably never had any training and just sings for fun. Her vibrato is good as well
Some of my favorite songs of hershttps://youtu.be/IGrx2E-6gzMhttps://youtu.be/nnmfv6RVWP4https://youtu.be/3k1ba4mfSH0
The HoloCN manager allegedly told them they had the choice of going independent, joining another agency, or graduating, the implication being they'd keep their characters (but not Cover's proprietary tech) if they chose the first two.
It's not clear if Cover ever actually offered them this choice; Cover didn't make an official statement until the graduation was confirmed. Personally I suspect the "choice" and making it public was a failed attempt to strongarm Cover into better terms.
I confirmed it the day it was out, it's real. It just seems that a lot of people don't really know how to check archives, to no one's surprise. They removed her pic the next day, which added to the confusion.
No idea where the second pic comes from though. Someone here hinted at GaiaOnline, but I didn't check it.
>>120732>makes you confront the fact that vtubers are all just characters designed to suck out money from the wallet of simps.
It really took you that long to figure that out? >>120746
The "I'm Back" one.
TLDR Matsuri is attracted to women and doesn't know how to deal with it/doesn't want to realistically confront it. She also reads as somebody who didn't develop properly socially earlier in life so she ends up expressing those feelings in bizzarre ways and getting really messed up inside when she starts having feelings for somebody.
BTW, if you look at Matsuri's twitter she's pretty open about the fact that she used to be overweight until about 2 years ago, which is something that can be really socially isolating in East Asia.
Her mental acrobatics regarding her attraction to women and the emotional burden it puts on her relationships isn't that bizarre for someone just realizing she's a lesbian in a culture that doesn't give you community for it. I've seen it a lot firsthand. The way Matsuri chooses to express her shit is creepy and weird though.
You guys realize you can like her without overhyping her right? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iROjR5VdWJU
I'm pretty sure you haven't actually watched other Holos sing and just rushed in to defend Gura. Let's take vocal register, like you mentioned. Ayunda Risu (link related) and Astel Leda outpace Gura on that front regularly. I'd list Subaru as well, but she's not even a singer despite having a wider vocal range speaking and singing than Gura.
Ignore it. Some of it is legit but:
-They keep referencing Matsuri's interactions with the Holostars in a vague and biased way that's mostly narrative (the bartender, most of the Apex fiasco).
-Hoshikawa and Akai Haato were friends before they became vtubers, so Hoshikawa isn't "leaving" Matsuri for Haachama.
-The Luna stuff is incomprehensible.
I'd break it down more but honestly I can't be bothered to keep reading this fanfiction.
Yeah her streams are dead mostly, someone got her spongebob one at least and there's plenty of clips recovered through twitch's file retention shit.
Belle made it all: https://youtu.be/g5ivatnIoXU?t=1170
It happened through a random DM was probably mentioned around that timestamp but she also mentioned it here: https://youtu.be/4ERhlc32H9M?t=3459
Onlyfans bit: https://youtu.be/g5ivatnIoXU?t=978
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Honestly besides being a 4chan coomer baiter that would get drunk a lot in the past I find Gura relatively milk free. I'm not even a fan of her, there's just not much to say. I feel like Kiara is by far the milkiest HoloEN and even then lately all she does really is whine sometimes for pity points.
Matsuri being potentially a total mess seems interesting though. It's really impressive she managed to lose all that weight but I guess her social skills never really caught up.
vtuber past life -hololive editon- (a guide for newfags)
You just started and barely know anything?
Start searching on https://iketog.com/category/vtuber/
OK, I got the usernames. Where do i search them now?
Go for https://warosu.org/jp/
Do you know someone who post video archives?
There's a hidden playlist on youtube better check it out before its gone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpY1dNROAkU&list=PL--jnYXqeP-jYWtSvHI98QCUwCmceL5rF
Do you have other info?
Luna's old archives w/ face (ぽこしゅけ): https://mega.nz/file/xIVSRAKR#L9qX-RlfprIKON9tN9KYuTQZXsgNU7xxNlDcU8pLbfc
Korone archives w/ face (宮助): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiGAIO2VpfetM8kUmHErumA
Chinese vtuber face dump thread: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/6160286039?pn=1
Bilibili archive codes: https://pastebin.com/uzZyiBim
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>>120843>Most complaints are directed towards her fanbase, who are honestly the worst out of HoloEn
That can be said for everything that has mainstream appeal. I honestly can't think of a single franchise where this isn't the case.
nta but>telling a farmer to go back (to fucking where) when you're clearly a /jp/ tourist
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Latest grouping of Calliope Mori pictures
mostly same angle, filters and often hiding face, but that's to be expected
Her first doxx was from a video with very baggy clothes and bad angle, that's probably a reason
And yeah, with those proportions she may get back pains in the futur
just go back already, scrote, you obviously don't belong here>>120890>anyone who doesn't suck up to gura is an irrational holoen hater
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Her body wasn't particularly fat, but her old face pics definitely don't help.
Wait, really? Everyone pushes them as some true romantic pair but Flare sounds like she doesn't give a shit. Unless she expects Noel to assault her or something.
I don't mind the yuribaiting but how does hololive pick up so many thirsty lesbians.
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For sure, that's just when she rounded out a bit compared to highschool. One of her hs instagram photos for example, since her senior photo is too professional looking. If she didn't get into music and stayed on the comic path I bet she'd have ended up pretty heavy.
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Can't believe you made me look that up. He didn't even make the video, it's some random clip. Are you just searching videos with the name?
And he did something similar the other day in a twitlonger.
I knew literally nothing about him and only clicked on one of his videos when it got recommended to me. Within 5 seconds you can tell it's a dude, the only people who don't realize are either children or ESL. The rest are in denial.>can't sing>can't draw>can't even fucking speak japanese
What a waste of a character.
Being able to tell whether a voice is male or female has nothing to do with language proficiency. Artemis sounds like a dude, 100%.
>can't even fucking speak japanese
Why would that be a requirement, lol. JP tvubers mostly can't speak any secondary languages either.
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Normally I wouldn't think too hard about similar designs as there's a limited number of design elements and way too many shitty vtubers, but am I crazy for thinking these two are really similar to Korone and Haachama? Their names are Purin and Char, they're in the same group, and both designed by Rosuuri (another vtuber).
all anime style characters are similar. swap out the hair and the yes and you've got someone completely different.
purin is a dog like korone so that's not so strange. the design is certainly inspired on korone but it's different -enough-.
haato has always had a bland uninspired cookie cutter blonde bimbo design. char is very similar but with some more ojou/smug tacked on.
My guess is mainly with 2nd fes coming up next month a lot of the JP Branch might be getting pretty busy soon.
Doubt it's anything troubling.
Nobody knows the truth, I've seen some theories thrown around though.
1) she's Korean (Japanese-Korean relations are not good) and none of them want to work with her so she's saving face for them
2) Nagu works/does art for some Chinese companies - though as retarded as Cover is, I think this is a stretch
3) Cover found out she had something to do with Atelier Live at the same time as Hololive (before she was removed)
Something must have happened because every single one of her collabs was suspended at once, "indefinitely", for all senpais. If it was just the Japanese branch, she would still be able to collab with Iofi again.
They're all still streaming, and if we see more JP and EN collabs with other girls it'll be even more obvious. I feel like she wouldn't have worded it the way she did if they were just busy, and as they all knew fes was coming, they would've had enough foresight not to plan collabs with her if they were swamped.
Has Ina even had a one-on-one collab with a JP member yet?
None of these theories make any sense imo.
The race theory is so ludicrous I don't think it's worth addressing.
The China drama was all Chinese attacking Cover talent and Cover eventually pulling out of the market. Their talents played Chinese games right until the Chinese withdrew permissions. Cover isn't going to go after Chinese companies.
Atelier is schizo talk. Holos don't have to end their old accounts. If Nagu wanted to she could even stream with Atelier under her Nagu name. Atelier is just a group of friends anyway, not a company.
One real possibility is that there's some kind of conflict between Nagu's work for Chinese companies and her affiliation with Cover ON THE CHINESE SIDE. Bugmen are insanely fragile and I can totally see her employers getting harassed by the political police (or self censoring in anticipation) over this.
yeah, the overall color scheme was pretty close but the red ribbons are what do it.>>121013
this is possible, i wonder if she and kiara will ever get to do an arknights related stream again.
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Is teacuppity Atelier Live's social media manager? They've done logos, stream start screens, and intro videos multiple AtoLive members (Nana, Artemis, Chai) as well as made the AtoLive logo. Yueko/Chai mentions that their social media manager is "graphically talented" and teacuppity is the only person associated with multiple members who does graphics work.
Can't say much on that, it's basically a guess if all there's to work is that. Teacuppity is/was in a relationship with tsunderemaids, so they're all in the same friend's group.
I said is/was there because going to twitter I noticed both of them removed that part from their bios, could be nothing, could be something, but I felt like it was worth it pointing it out (can't remember if there are caps in the archives from the old bios).
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who else do you think lurks here?
I don't understand why she even had to word it so vaguely. All she had to say was "not at the moment." And be done with it. Her saying indefinitely and that there are a lot of factors just fuels narrative posting. And now people are going to be hyper aware of EN and JP collabs because only Ina is left out. If she needed a reason she could've just said "schedule conflict"
These girls need a crash course on pr or something. At least they need to be aware of what not to say to stop people from making dumb rumors
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so what's the milk at this table
All of these are really stupid /jp/ rumours. >>120589
100% convinced this person selfposted here to begin with, theyre a literally who and were very quick to publicly brag about where
they were posted. No one thinks your boring "design" looks like Korone.
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Yeah, they waited all of 3 minutes before tweeting it.
Bets on self post
Damn… didn't think it was that bad.>>121057
Was he making content? If not it could be because of that. If he was, not sure how quick Cover is to cut off talents that are doing poorly (I don't watch him, so I don't really know).>maybe it just wasn't for him
That's fair, could have gotten better options as well.
Having him do an artemis and rejoin hololive later (on the other side, if you will) would actually be an interesting cow.
Not that that'll ever happen.
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Does anyone have any source on pic? Been having a hard time trying to find it. Apparently it's polka as well?
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Kiara is truly ugly
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She really doesn't even try to be subtle over the fact she is trying to be knockoff Gura. Gura played this game with Amelia last week and got amazing feedback from viewers over their playthrough. Of course Artemis has to try to copy her success lol.
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>>121147>Characters don't grey out whenever they aren't talking.>Bao's stream has less than 1000 viewers.>Artemis and Bao's models look weird next to the other.
COVER HIRE THIS MAN
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I find it hilarious how Bao has 143k subs on her YT channel, but none of them transferred over when she started the vtuber shit. Pretty embarrassing
I'm sure she can take a decent pic that's not edited to hell but for random photos of everyday life that's fine. Weird maybe. But she'll get respect for being cute in public unlike when you're actually ugly. >>121147
I felt sorry for him at first but now it's frustration.>haha im lesbian I'm gay and love girls but that's my only character trait
The only reason he's not going to have a complete breakdown from being rejected is that no lesbian is going to fall for the lie to begin with.
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Baos numbers are accurate for her sub count tbh, especially when so many are only there for music. The views Artemis has are inflated, they probably have an equal number atm when you take away the bots.
Today was the graduation ceremony for Civia. I know part of the reason HoloCN is done is because of the Taiwan Coco suspension but can someone give me a quick rundown of Civia and Artia's involvement? Some people say they were saying pro china stuff on private but its impossible to find real answers, the question always gets over run by either over run by chinese antis or jp memes.
I watched her graduation and it was boring and awkward.
> Whined about how tomorrow is her birthday> "accidentally" forgot to turn off superchats.> debuted a brand new base live2d rig, new outfit, AND a new 3d model in her graduation.> Watched 5-6 minutes of her debut and sang a bit.> Im so lonely I dont go outside I live so far away from my parents im going to be so alone on my birthday b-but I give you permission to get a new wife
Fair enough, making that last bit of money. Also, I guess she showed all the models since they're getting canned anyway. And that, as well as the other actions probably help to grab some more superchats.
With the way things went, it's no wonder it was awkward.>Civia and Artia on China/Taiwan stuff
I can't say I have seen anything about Civia, if you want to look for stuff on Artia, refer to >>120659
from the newest /jp/ thread
just goes to show how much a faggot lyger ishttps://twitter.com/lyger_0/status/1323820795139796992
i archived them all too
That faggot used his personal account with the SAME fucking name "lyger" as his translator account to tweet about American politics.>lyger is an SJW cuck
just another reason for me to hate that faggot
luna streamed monster hunter twice the other day, should add it to that mega
anyone have shion's old deleted twitcasts? I've only see a small clip
supposedly she was a super depressing teen
thats not her anon, the name sato nozomi is
Also not sure whether のそみん is matsuri on her younger days, the face do kind of look similar. https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm23533429
Spent some hours trying to find the video sauce, no luck. If somebody is feeling adventurous, song's name is Kurenai, by X Japan.
Found a video of her roommate in the archives tho (she's the rightmost person on the table).https://www.pscp.tv/w/1gqxvVQaXakxB?t=15m57s
I feel like Coco in general is just trying to keep away from the other Holomen unless absolutely necessary. She still has bugmen after her. >>121183
Matsuri doesn't use a different voice for her non Hololive streams so just going off voice that's not her.
I lost the clip of it but I remember Matsuri saying how she doesn't really care about someone's gender and if she loves them she loves them and basically came out as bi/pan. I'm sure the reason why she didn't continue her relationship is because of some intimacy issues/ behind the scenes falling out, but I doubt it is because she is unable to come to terms with the fact she is attracted to women.
Also I watched her apex vod with face cam and she didn't look like she was crying lmao. I'm just sure most people who browse /jp/ don't understand how makeup works and they were just regular bags under her eyes.
Wow, those are just about the most vanilla political takes I've ever heard.
From your rage i expected something much more interesting.
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Yurunyan has debuted her Vtuber model- toned down the obnoxiously fake helium loli voice but somehow still annoying as fuck. Lewd pink haired e-girls are so boring it makes me wonder how they’re so content being exact copies of each other.https://twitter.com/nyanppai/status/1327603232269611008?s=21
I finally believe that she's an absolute normie, and that awkward way how she speaks in her streams is how she thinks she's going to appeal to the degens that watch her.
I honestly think I like the chicken more now, at least she's actually dedicated to the job, Calli looks like she's half-assing the whole vtuber stint. Still think her music is decent though.
I was sure her way of speaking is just a bit (like how she plays up her retarded foreigner accent 200% when she speaks Japanese, there are clips where she talks normally) and it seems like that's only proving true the more time passes.
Of all of them, lolibait shark included, Calli's got the most mainstream normie appeal so I really don't get why the fuck she's sabotaging herself.
In all fairness I beleive Watson was poking her with the moose thing relating her to Senzawa (or at least Gura thought she was) so Gura wanted some cheeky retaliation…
(sry im new to thread tell me if im being faggy)
I mean, Calli also has other contractual obligations outside of Hololive. So it makes sense that she can't fully dedicate herself to streaming.
Though I do agree with what you said about Kiara, even before the whole "Ame has streamed the most and suddenly Kiara does 3 streams" stuff she regularly streamed for 5+ hours.
She isn't ugly but my god those teeth>>121233
If you go frame by frame at :27 seconds her aim snaps to the guy within a frame. Shes definitely cheating. I don't even have to watch the rest of the video
The flick at 0:27 is sus but I'd need to see the source vid and not this shitty recompressed 30fps rip. If she's playing at 120hz/144hz/240hz and streaming at 60 (or 30) then we're missing a ton of frames, and note that she does skip past the guy and adjust afterward.
If she's playing at 60fps then she's definitely cheating.
The clip was in the previous thread. I'm fairly sure the stream isn't up anymore, is it? All the clips appear to be screen recorded.https://streamable.com/2d25ph >>121220
Gura said Amelia's real name first. Amelia poked at plural of moose later.
Wow, that's like, nothing.>personal account
I don't give a fuck about american politics, but it's a personal account, he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. If there's cow behaviour on it, fair enough, but that just seems like you're mad someone has a different political opinion.>>121214>that voice
>>121242>I'm fairly sure the stream isn't up anymore, is it?
It is.>Gura said Amelia's real name first. Amelia poked at plural of moose later.
Wrong, Amelia was discussing a dream and made the meese comment, much later in the stream Gura asked if she had any nicknames from her fanbase.
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Red hair photo is 2-3 years before the black hair one and is from the twitter of her first YT channel.
The only dispute is by those that don't know changing usernames retains join date on Twitter.
She never put much information online, but she did a purge after the Senzawa account went viral which is why the info that was dug up was all from 3rd parties and web archives.
From what was recovered, you get a picture of a young woman who ran a YT channel as a hobby while in secondary education, exploded into popularity in a completely different genre, and then went with the flow.
Honestly the only thing Cover really provides for their streamers is a guaranteed audience. Without the Hololive influence behind their back, Hololive members would probably lose a large majority of their viewers.
It's also kind of sad how they allegedly only get 30% of their donations as payment, but that's what happens when you decide to stream under a corporate instead of building up your own brand.
If some of the top VTubers from Hololive ever decide to leave, I believe it's likely that they are able to retain at least half their audience and continue to grow back to their original numbers.
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Are Kiara's music video and desktop voice a turnaround point for her self-esteem? I haven't kept too much track thanks to those stream times that her and Mori have.
The stuff was also scrubbed within hours of people discovering it. Sena did a good job cleaning up her own online presence, but she apparently didn't expect people to crawl years worth of posts by third parties for mentions of her.
It also checks out with >>121282> The stuff was also scrubbed within hours of people discovering it. Sena did a good job cleaning up her own online presence, but she apparently didn't expect people to crawl years worth of social media posts by third parties for mentions of her.
It also checks out with >>121282
Yeah, I'm coping with the fact that I'm not fully convinced yet. I want to know the real face as much as everyone else does, but I still notice a few holes with the current theoretical shit + the 2 only available pictures depicting two literal different people. Mentioned heavily edited because this entire board literally pointed that out, questioning her actual looks and my sanity. too lazy to share my reasonings, but will go back to my life while waiting for additional info while yall piece it together
or actually believe everything pieced so far. atleast this forum is more open minded than /jp/(no1curr)
when anon knows the truth for a diff anon to argue with that anon with other anons adding useless shit to confuse every other anon to the point no anon knows whats true
almost like the truth cancels itself
get used to it, cope harder
was that because of her nose? I was the samefag who posted anothr person with that nose in the previous thread. other than that, I don't really get anything aside from the blurry background and smoothed af face. still don't think it's 'heavily edited'>>121319
welcome to every 4chan-style imageboard lol
lol after these few years of them making money.
Still cannot provide the talents with decent microphone.
they have their own thread>>>/snow/302894
they were in a server I was in for a short time, and I'm positive they're a tranny
IF you believe that the red hair girl is the same person, the channel would be BrownBeeTV. The content was stop motion toy videos with voice overs and produced over 6 or so years mostly while she was in high school (IF you trust her birthday celebration post).
No significant archives of it survive as the primary audience wouldn't be known for running YT downloader. Based on comments by other creators in the circle and trackers, she was one of the bigger channels and disappeared without a word after the Senzawa channel went viral, and then pulled all content on Jan 2019.
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I guess we're doing this then? Got busy, never quite finished organizing shit.
She uses Senna but later starts to swap in Sena, like you can see on twitter here: https://web.archive.org/web/20160109110558if_/https://twitter.com/BrownBeeTV
Sample voice update, pay attention to how she speaks more than anything: https://soundcloud.com/bd9567/voice-update-july-16th-2013
Sample singing: https://soundcloud.com/browndog9567/do-you-want-to-build-a-snowman
Her ask.fm page probably had a lot of information but since it was closed all there is is a cache, with mentions of her rhythm game skills and languages: https://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=https%3a%2f%2fask.fm%2fBrowndog9567%2f&d=5014314270589827&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=-WZzvLVcjzLoPwPQV0DsY52KpBYhrl2h
Other random shit like wanting to cosplay SAO with her brother and one of her first images on twitter we see being Kirito socks. Or a random photo of her playing Animal Crossing 3DS with a blue haired girl. Not much worth mentioning there though.
She mentioned a bit family emergency here, and later talked about finally moving back into her bedroom: https://web.archive.org/web/20160109110555/https://www.youtube.com/user/browndog9567/
Now here's the big connection between this Sena and Senzawa: https://voice123.com/sennahoward
Again, no smoking gun. But at some point you've gotta wonder how many people out there line up like this.
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I have some additonal info! I found this channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/janiehd/channels
They sub to BrownBeeTV as well as a channel named howarddrums, and their location (Nantucket, MA) matches up to what's listed on the voice123 profile.
Gura said she had access to a bunch of instruments (including drums) on stream.
I found the person who runs howarddrums facebook profile (https://www.facebook.com/kenny.howard.10
). They're friends with someone named "Sen Leaf" (https://www.facebook.com/sammie.dillon.5
) who also lives in Nantucket and lists themselves as a "freelance video editor". Matches up perfectly to the voice123. Take a look at the URL too, maybe her real name is Sammie?
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Really interesting stuff! There's another one that stuck out on Facebook, a Charlie. Going by his early likes of stuff like "trollface sniper game" I wonder if that's the brother, he's friends with both Kenny and Sammie. And I wouldn't recommend anyone go looking in the white pages, but Kenny is related to a Samantha Dillon Howard.
I never doubted her name was Senna because I remembered seeing a few posts together about how they liked her name, and got it in my head that she might have complained about it once. But looks like it was random compliments, a perceptive tweet from 2012 backs up your find.
nah.. beauty is upon the beholders.
Somebody likes it, somebody hates it.
Just carry on.
She already said the specs, off of the top of my head they are: an RX 5700XT, I thiiiink she has a Ryzen 7 3700x, she has 32 gbs of Ram mostly for videos she's planning on making (I think she said Ame or Ina suggested 32 gigs, tho its not thaaaat expensive relatively) She has a x570 motherboard that I can't remember the exact model, she's getting a 750watt PSU. She doesn't have a SSD but that isn't that big of a deal imo but I know a lotta people will disagree with me but I know her HDD is beefy, like 6TB.
She also said she's planning on selling it to Enma when she goes back to Austria and buying parts with a 3080 and one of the new CPUs that will hopefully be easier to get once she's back there in 4 monthes. I think she said one of her family members will build it for her.
This was said in her latest Minecraft stream or her first Sakuna stream I think.
She talks about being from Atlantis in the past sense, how she couldn't grow avocadoes there, and whether people back there miss her. Plus there's no McDonalds on the island.
I'm guessing she moved out after money from the Senzawa channel came in.
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Sorry, hurried that together last night. I actually archived that one here: https://archive.vn/9RgtH>>121382
Most of those aren't by her, they're by other youtubers in the same fandom. The latest clip of her doing these videos is in a collab with other people that's still up on youtube, her voice is a lot more familiar there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KicFUIBE8Pk&t=1m33s
And here's a folder of the videos I've got from her pre-Senzawa channels/projects: https://mega.nz/folder/BlIgkbxQ#9YIp6Lgh6m9xNjLNkRuxQw
Lastly, there's the facebook that her youtube links to - it matches the page ID so it's not the impersonator she apparently had, which means the images on it are legit. Why it wasn't closed I have no idea: https://www.facebook.com/brownbeetv/
Thanks for archiving all this, she seemed like a sweet girl.
One issue is the 'When Cutie met Patootie' video is missing audio.
Talk about 180.
Gura is really perfect character for her, and probably most true to her current self. She can use her natural sweetness and sprinkle it with some occasional Zawa like shit.
still, she seems very against animal cruelty, so it's hard to imagine her talking about eating
fast food in such a carefree manner
Not anything direct, mostly circumstantial based on the way she put it. https://youtu.be/A-nYDXNafUU?t=6153
There are two parts, 1:42:33 and 1:44:53
Polka made it 3/4th the way through seiyuu university but failed, oversleeping through her classes. She spent the next decade dwelling on her failure to achieve her goals. When she got her big break, she suddenly felt like she was fulfilling her goal in life. She got around the industry “gatekeepers” through vtubing. Then it fell apart. Even though she's more successful now, what happened to Aloe could happen to her at a moment’s notice, and she’ll be all alone again. She knows this life is completely ephemeral and she will lose all the people who care about her some day. In other words, "mono no aware”.
Combined with her very limited real life interactions, and growing up on the internet a skewed concept of "connecting" with people, she has developed a very dependent parasocial relationship with her members. They love her and she genuinely loves them, but has doubts in her head because it can't be 'real', right? You think she does this for money? Her roommate made nearly seven figures a year between streaming and fanbox. She needs her members, not individually, but she needs their support, their love. And she loves them back, just as hard. It’s frankly unhealthy. She is a lonely internet hikki so it's the only connection she has grown to understand, spending too much time on NND and 2ch/5ch to have traditional friends and relationships.
tl;dr Polka's a 32 year old fucking shut-in mess due to a string of failures in life, and can never appreciate success.
as you can see in that vid above some anon posted, she's fat too
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I’m really bad at voices so I couldn’t tell but on her Facebook she mentions Shrimp day and someone calls her Senna. At this stage it’s basically confirmed.
I knew this shitskin mudslime nijisanji bitch was awful from the starthttps://warosu.org/jp/thread/S29388439#p29390080https://warosu.org/jp/thread/S29388439#p29389511
Hana macchia is an SJW feminist whore who is clearly only doing this for the money and these tweets prove it(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
I think it's 35%-40%. And it's more than fair. They manage everything for the girls. Promotions, advertising, marketing, etc.
They only work 4-5 times a day; 2-3 hours streaming. Seems like most work at night as well 6:00 PM+ so its like a side-gig really.
The job was never intended for a fulljob and for most it's not yet the pay is ridiculous. They get a flat salary as well…
I mean this post caught my attention >>120664
but I didn't know what he means by "check the archives" like, how?
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don’t care my fat loser clown is still better than most of the shit out there
Artechoke's thing is that they have no personality. No real defining features. Being trans feels more like a shield he uses and would use to deflect away from criticisms about his garbage robot personality. And "I'm gay" doesn't really help with that either. It's like that annoying person that joins the friend group for a night out and the entire time she has the obnoxious need to remind you every 5 minutes about how vegan they are and make sure you understand how they are vegan.
It's collectively disingenuous, annoying, and an insult to any other trans and lgbt because they have to deal with this walking robot who's going around tarnishing their pride flags. The audience gets it. He's born a man that decided to be a woman and constantly reminding the audience about how gay he is. What else does he have that's remotely interesting? Aside of course from being a part of Domo's grooming cult.
The "check the archives" usually mean older threads that have been closed, normally from this board (since archives of other boards are linked here when necessary).
When you're on /w/ just go to the bottom of the page, hit search and throw in vtuber, you'll find it easily.>>121514
Kinda, yeah. I think it works as a meme sometimes, but depending on who you're looking at, the only difference is one has a cam and the other has a 2d/3d model.>>121515
If I remember correctly, a lot of the posts that linked to her first real face dox got nuked pretty fast on facebook, and maybe one account was deleted.
It's not unusual, but she could've lost access to the account. And it's so disassociated from senzawa that it should be enough to just not acknowledge it. If it gets nuked though, it's pretty much a confirmation.>>121522
I am fairly certain that there was a time where she lived with her family, I remember she mentioned her little brother a few times, and I think he might have appeared on cam once or twice. I'm not certain about her family situation though. I only remember that and her dog.>>121535
There was nothing that pointed out that it was true, only those moans, that amounted to pretty much nothing. So, it's safer to assume it's just a narrative.
Okay, cause I remember someone linked a clip, of them matching her “moans” to a Mario kart stream she did.
*it did sound pretty similar ngl. But it’s probably just a hard reach.
For context if anyone is intrested:
[Original Stream] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkvVS3C0hdY
[Gura/Senzawa Softdox (Original Stream)] 1:28:03
[Extra senzawa link to Gura Clip] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pd0jryt9-E
[Ame Name Drop (Original Stream)] 3:23:04
[Cali Trash Taste Podcast saying they all meet irl] https://youtu.be/tIU0xG-lXkQ?t=589
imo they defo know eachother's irl names
For context if anyone is intrested:
[Original Stream] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkvVS3C0hdY
[Gura/Senzawa Softdox (Original Stream)] 1:28:03
[Extra senzawa link to Gura Clip] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pd0jryt9-E
[Ame Name Drop (Original Stream)] 3:23:04
[Cali Trash Taste Podcast saying they all meet irl] https://youtu.be/tIU0xG-lXkQ?t=589
imo they defo know eachother's irl names>>121547>>121547>>121547>>121547
sry i fuked up [Gura calls Ame Rebbeca] 3:23:24
I'm not exactly sure myself but during this time the other JP girls were having off-Colabs like sleep overs.
If someone in Japan can comment on lockdown rules in Japan that would be great.
Also maybe this was before Covid but we will never know unless someone remembers the date the auditiions got posred on Hololive website.
The Twitter post was in April https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1253249150533029888
"1st round application deadline: May 24,11:59 PM(JST)" https://en.hololive.tv/audition
so that would put it well past the border closures in Japan.
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Something that may be interesting to look into.
I don't see much of a reason to leave unless Zentreya found something better.
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>>121568https://tl.gd/n_1srfhh0>No Mom November
This might lead to some milk.https://twitter.com/zentreya/status/1326628366850658304
They've been under a lot of mental stress as it would seem, from harassment to the fact that it's November.
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pretty sure she also might lurk, or one of her mods. This was posted in the VSW discord server at the start of november, shortly after some posts on the old thread about her not caring about the team anymore.
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Man, Mori loved saying the n word
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calm down scrote, it's 2014
nigga still legal at that time
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Do not call me a S word. As a brit, that is offensive to my people. You Minger
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So, I've been searching through the BrownBeeTV Facebook, and there were a few photos that I putted all in a collage with the other 2 photos that we have of Sena (IDK if there are more).
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>Mori is friends with someone named skinny nigger in tokyo
kek, I guess she got the n-word pass from him.
Chill brother, It was 2014. Maybe she was young and stupid at that time.
Anyway, anyone knows how old she is now?
who knew gwar gura was a lpstuber>>121645>brother
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So i heard Kiara Self doxxed herself by using her roommate's account? Can anyone send the original image to see what's encircled on this image?
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nvm scrubbed warosu
so some anons here found those doxxes via the /v/ archives
I noticed it a week ago, the faggot simp in charge of the b4k archives began deleting vtuber threads archived from /v/ which contained doxxposts
there was a thread last night that was archived with 435 posts, and now it's gone
my guess is that faggot is deleting them to protect his precious ethotshttps://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/532886849
the thread is nuked on yuki.la as well
it's only available via one other archive
What video was this? Its gone now for youtube TOS.>>121649
I'm slightly impressed to see she wasn't desperate enough to membership herself
these vids of amelia being disgusting 3DPD irl and the holoEN doxx pasta are now considered 'BANNED TEXT' on /jp/ due to the simp tranny janny mods there
better save these clips before they get nuked as well
Calm down nigger. >>121651
It's more cringy to think nigger is a bad word, especially on an imageboard.
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that SJW shitskin indog whore moona who has been stirring shit up on twitter alongside hana macchia has been doxxedhttps://warosu.org/jp/image/SzeayfdlVfkRMJQPVYTApA
YOU JUST KNOW(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
another moona doxx
this is Moona's roommate
she's only 19 yo which might explain her retarded tweets
stop falling for doxx photos without sources
archive before she nuked her holo id audition retweet:https://web.archive.org/web/20200928092429/https://twitter.com/AhikaHumaira
she nuked it after some anon keep mentioning her twitter name here so there's a chance that she will nuke everything else after thishttps://warosu.org/jp/thread/S29463536#p29465260
what is the literal point of this you scrote>>121683
he's off his meds
moona facebook https://www.facebook.com/adliya.camila.khumaira
moona youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4EGv4TubgM
don't blame me if she nukes this shit the next day and you faggots didn't save or archive it, I did my part by just sharing it here for you lazy faggots
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Why is Gura streaming at the same time of an event of this scale. Literally all HoloJP and HoloID are streaming at this time, while this dumb shark is throwing the old cheap ass Pewdiepie scaredy horror game reactions. HoloEN was a mistake.
Guess you're right, anon. It just seemed disrespectful. It can lowkey be counted as a "harmless overlap", but HoloEN still has some pretty obnoxious "idols"… Their personality/mannerisms are too distinct from Hololive, making them seem far apart from the other Holos. They are clearly very talented people, but they don't appear to care about the culture/people with who they work with. Mori disliked idols and their "losers" before getting simped as one (and what the fuck is a rap idol that seems bored all the time). Kiara is just your typical soulless attwhore. Ame is a born twitch-like streamer. Gura is just cheap/plain, but she knows very well how to be a viral sensation (still don't get her charm besides her singing). Ina is OK. Again, they aren't inherently bad, but they really don't seem to fit to Hololive.>>121697
No. As long as they "help" Hololive and other Holos indirectly, I'm OK with them. But in the long run they are a mistake.
No, holoJP and holoEN literally separate entities.
Both of them exist to entertain separate audiences.
By rules should be fine, but mannerisms depends on people's eyes.
Are you actually telling me you think the shark is being an asshole for daring to stream at a time you think is somehow inconvenient or disrespectful (??) to other members?
If anyone actually important thought that way cover would put rules into place. There was an issue with Russia getting pelted by idiots like you for the same thing but the reverse and she said managers gave the okay.
As it stands, she has a healthy number of viewers and so do the rest - all at the same time. so go get more angry, scrote.
>>121686>>121687>sperged because of lewds of her
Even though it's kinda stupid to sperg out, not wanting lewds of her character is really not that much, and it's something personal, why would she be "in the wrong" for that. Also, if you're gonna say something, show something to back it up. And sage your posts.>>121704>Ame is a born twitch-like streamer
Well, she spent years on twitch, it's kinda obvious she's gonna be like that.
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Here's the screenshot.
Not the same anon tho. This is just basic banter tbh.
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This is context for the religion tweet that triggered
the snowflakes. It's just a shitpost nobody would bat an eye at outside of the Islamic world. In any case this has nothing to do with those schizo posts.
I never heard those accusation before + no evidence was provided + psychotic rage = probably delusional
Tru dat, but most likely those spergs are the same mudslime people who got triggered
So it was a bunch of nothing like I thought. The rest of the "accusations" sounded like bullshit as well.>>121741
That Calli tweet saying /v/ was full of waifufags that can't handle a game with men or something was pretty funny as well.
Holy shit why have the farmhands not permabanned you? You never sage, use the same pointlessly racist terms for anyone SEA and repeat the fake
>"What did she mean when she said ___" > "Wow I cant believe ___ said (crazy 4chan thing that would have blown up)"
Rumours /jp/ spreads every thread. You did it with their Kiara said jews thing too and with Ina last thread, stop regurgitating everything you see in their threads if you don't understand their schitzo culture. If there isn't an archive of it don't come here to repost it.
if you ask me she help to filter the spergs from the JP event. I don't find the usual number of kids spamming 'pog' in the fubuki stream, so who cares, stop trying to bait drama.>>121718
it seems retards thrown out of /jp/ want to take refuge here and talk about their theories and autism
not samefag but Ina's boyfriend modding her chat seems pretty milky. saw some people thinking "Ao-chan" was either her sister or boyfriend. can't be a hire since we know cover doesn't fucking hire chat mods, otherwise why would they hire one for the chillest chat instead of for coco/haachama. cant be sister since Ina regularly talks about hanging out with "Ane'nis" as a separate entity, and if her sister was also "Ao-chan" it makes sense narratively to talk about how Ao-chan was at a family reunion, etc. Also looking at how triggered
Ao-chan gets, the way he types, the grammar, etc. it's obviously a dude. 90% boyfriend, 10% cuck that got friendzoned by Ina's roommate
In this "get to know better" the only things that could have been somewhat new were Marine liking Touhou. Everything else was "I love BL! I am horny. I love Sakura Wars (which have been known for a long time among other holos too). And my most precious moment in Hololive was that Shion sleepover. Also I am so lewd that I always ask my designer to make me sexier!" All of which is known around everyone, even people who only watch translated VODs.
The whole interview started awkward as hell because half of it was nothing but sexual talks.
back in the days sen was active on youtube there was a very minor inside joke that she's actually a boy. which was supposed to be funny because she's got the most girly girl voice on the platform.
if you saw people say that and you thought it was plausible you got dunked on.
Another newfag who can't sage
Maybe it's time to remove this thread
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Apparently the Gura info got spammed on /jp/ and they mentioned the site a lot. It's also hardly a drama thread at this point, most of the value here has been behind the scenes stuff. But I'm sure they'll lose interest soon, and Kiara has a collab with Pekora coming up that probably won't go well.
People keep asking for it to be locked on /meta/ but have been constantly ignored and rejected. Now anyone who asks gets banned.
Not sure why admin insists on keeping this thread when it's clearly full of schizo waifufag scrotes and caused the rest of the site to get raided lately (see /ot/ and /g/).
I vote against
or at least wait a bit longer
there's literally no good evidence that this is moona's roommate. she seems like a random nobody and her singing ability doesn't match up with moona
there's this certain other girl that seems more convincing and was part of an idol group before completely disappearing right before holoID's debut lmao. she covered a song by yui on their youtube channel and their singing technique is extremely similar
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Not that it’s not obvious what’s happening but the /jp/ retards think everyone who hates Kiara is raiding from here and cgl and want to shut down the board and take us to court before one of their waifus has to graduate because threads don’t 404 when they close.
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Out of all girls, Kiara? Seriously? Cope harder.
Wrong choice of word then. "Obsessively digging into their past". Still indirect lead. Doesn't limits only to /jp/>>121990
Oh sure. Antis mainly takes the cake.
If it's "not allowed to dox" then why hasn't these been deleted?:>>121341>>121343
Isn't that a literal breach of privacy even if it may not be true?(lolcow.farm/info)
>>121992>Doesn't limit only to /jp/
Except it does. All the obsessive past digging you're speaking of was done and posted here by /jp/ scrotes.
You say you're not taking sides, but it's clear you're a Hololive fan who doesn't want to see people talking shit about your faves. This obviously isn't the place for you.
Funny, because I keep seeing information from 5 different sources being recycled between each other. If I bother to dig through this place today, that would make 6.
When I say that I'm not taking sides, that means I'm not taking sides. Dramas and shit are easy to find.
What belongs here:> Past/irl lives of corporate/holoEN> Provable dox (Jp schitzo screencaps are not valid)
What do you mean that dox isn't allowed if it literally shows there?
Also past irl/lives doesn't even catalog as milk, there's no drama from that. What are you gonna do with a child playing with his toys? Seems pretty offtopic tbh.>If it’s not potential milk it doesn’t belong here.
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>>121869>Suddenly gets nervous around her idol Pekora.>The part of her that's perfectly willing to hit on Callie every 10 minutes jams itself.>Realizes that her poor sportsmanship about numbers makes her look uncool and should be stashed away along with Keekee.
I'm sure it won't go too bad.
Scrote has been said 27 times in this thread alone. just saying. >>122015
For most these holoen girls it's not even a character and just an avatar.
But even worse are the westerners who outright just make it their avatar because they are trannies or fat and ugly but want to be uwu smol anime girl.
"yui life cover" on yt
it's somewhere up there
if the irl is ugly, fat, plain looking, old, haters want ammo for shit about her for any reason.
if the irl girl is decent looking to cute the simps want to know that. others just want to demonstrate their autism about finding the information. but this comes from /jp/.
In gura case they are urged to know about her past, is the only one that did not have anything easy to obtain thats all.
just a heads up, if you see any info or milk on /v/ or the /v/ archives then save it, the faggot in charge of b4k is solely deleting archives for vtuber threads
here are two exampleshttps://archived.moe/v/thread/533089164 https://archived.moe/v/thread/532929475
if you try those threads with b4k you will only get 404'd
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Both are acceptable according to Merriam-Webster.
ah yes, Merriam-Webster, that's where I go for my knowledge of imageboard culture
kill yourself retard
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keekihime really doesn't want people to talk about her on the b4k archives, thankfully other archive admins have more balls than that faggot
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>>121942>/jp scrotes take refuge here to sperg about how much they hate Kiara + Roommate while completely failing at providing actual milk>/jp whiteknights catch word of the regurgitated shit being posted on another imageboard and believing it to be the work of angry femanons attempt a shitty crusade>Schizo Narrative Posters Win Again
If /jp anons have such a massive hate boner for eachother, go solve your problems on your own damn board instead of using us as a proxy.
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Stop replying to the brainlet scrotes. Next time you guys start discussing the intricate autism of various 4chan boards in here bans will be handed out.
She said she's taking a break from Twitter. Don't think she's been suspended as she participated in the Sports Day Minecraft event two days ago and typically when Cover suspends a talent they aren't even allowed to collab.
I seriously doubt Cover gives a shit what some assblasted mohammedniggers think, so her apology was purely to keep the religion of peace from pulling a Charlie Hebdo on her home.
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So is it true that Ayame lied about being sick during Christmas and just played league(go back to /jp/)
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Not sure if this is the right thread.
I wanted to post about a VTUBER who tried and hilariously failed to gain notoriety right after she dropped probably 1k or more on a 3D model. If anyone remembers Steph from twitch drama fame then you basically have this person. I remember I went to her streams a lot before she started VTUBING officially and always noticed her getting so defensive over certain words and would publically shame people for saying them. Like 'trap' she would get so triggered
over that word so much so that she made a big stink and posted it on all her social medias and shit.
Recently in the last few months, she was outted as a child predator.https://twitter.com/wiitchmom/status/1296904679532765184?s=20
Many others came forth with their own experiences.https://twitter.com/CandyCitrea/status/1297252558562422784?s=20https://twitter.com/k_aorus/status/1297325113331736576?s=20https://twitter.com/CYCLEOFFATES/status/1297664229382803459?s=20
To which she responded to the main post with an absolutely shitty apology.https://twitter.com/StarrySeraph/status/1297089373914030081?s=20
She coattails many other VTUBERS for their fame so there are probably a lot of ENG VTUBERS that know about her.
Not much milk but she's still somewhat active on her VTUBER account and recently changed her icon so I can guess she's trying to weasel her way back into the community. She used to have her main account linked too but has since taken it off of the page after the allegations came out.
Has he come out as a tranny yet? I haven't kept up. I guess he doesn't need to flip the trap card until his viewership really declines or he gets put on the chopping block for being problematic
WoW a tranny predator, this is totally not a common thing from an identity entirely built around a fetish. >>122276
No, most likely due to there being enough stupid people who still believe he is female and uwu lesbian and not just a predator.
So what I've gathered from most of these accusations is "she hit on my roleplay character who is 16!" But the user themself is of age? If she is doing sexual roleplay and flirting with or grooming IRL underage people that
is the important information to point out. As fucking weird and gross as it is, a roleplay between two consensual adults where they pretend to be children doesn't really make her a predator, imo.
It wasn't just roleplaying as her character, she was "roleplaying" as herself to many underaged individuals pretending to be younger because she "could not remember her life before her transition".
In many of the screenshots, she tells the other person (who has mentioned being a minor) to tell her that she is underage (15-16) in order to help alleviate her dysphoria. The roleplay aspect is stupid but it was more that she would skirt the truth when it came to her age to the minors she interacted with.
Most of the allegations in this drama come from people who've said that they were under the age of 18 when she had asked them to participate in helping her calm her dysphoria.>>122258
OP adding on to this post:
In her old streams, she would constantly remind viewers whenever she smelled the most clout and asspat opportunities (most inappropriate and downright uncomfortable) she would tell her audience IN DETAIL about how her father used to abuse her as a child and how she was sexually assaulted under the pretenses of being called a "trap".
It happened almost every stream and was really uncomfortable to sit through.
I can't archive everything right now, and google docs is a bitch to do so since I need to screenshot it, if everything is up later, and unarchived, I will do it.>>122293
Fuck, my brain feels like mush reading over those Discord caps. How can people genuinely think that's how you talk to someone (not the roleplay parts, that already feel brain dead).>Many rps would be her using “hormonal powers” to make trans characters into what she thought was how girls should look.
Overall, the behaviour is very creepy sometimes, and there are several red flags. Some parts honestly feel like they're about the fictional characters affecting reality discourse that normally gets overblown by people like that.
As always, blame it on mental health, nothing will happen, since trans defense will do its job, give it about a year and she'll be back under a different name.
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just want to ask if "Sato Nazomi" is really her real name or a nickname of you know who.
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I guess that's why Zentreya left VSW.
I don't know much about the ones involved in the creation of the "agency". It honestly looks like an overproduced team.
>>122339> Nyanners and Ironmouse, the two hypocrites that can't stand not being the center of attention
Well, it is a a recipe for disaster.
Also if Apricot forcefully turning her sister into a tranny thing is true, then it's even worse. What a shitty team.
I bet all of them are 'uwu lewdies'. Do not know about Zentreya and Hime though.
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What the fuck is up with this tranny art? Dead on arrival.
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lmao wtf are these uwu profile descriptions
Holy shit it's like if they got all the biggest parasites in one group, all that is missing is Mothers basements hole shower. >>122366>I don't get all the yuri
Really? you have a group of woman whos entire career has been up until this point built up by trying to gain male attention and pandering to them and now they are all interacting with each other.
All of their profiles read like the modern version of a mary sue, each one trying to be the most uwu unique and special while also being so boring and flat at the same time. And putting aside what type of creature they're supposed to be they're all the fucking same, "lewd and wholesome" "came to earth bc entertainment/fun"
for fucks sake, Syd's is an "alien dragon robot hybrid"?? Why did ironmouse if she's supposed to be satan or whatever?
Other thing that makes this new "company" far less I guess appealing than say hololive is you know they're going to whore it up and being in the group will have that plus clout of course as a requirement
All their avatars except the titcow in the lower right look like they are 3D versions of Gaia online avatars. >>122388
I would not just blame it on pandering, most of them are dumb bitches in general and will do what ever it takes to fill the role of daddy in their life.
I was the one that gave minor juice about it but she was known to send nudes to multiple popular ow streamers for clout and boosts. Her biggest target was Pokelawls who ended up getting her twitch partner before she "broke" up with him and told everyone they never dated even tho Poke said otherwise. He showed screenshots of their relationships to confirm it but she kept going in denial phase about the whole thing and called him an abusive
stalker before moving onto other streamers. She also comes from an incredibly wealthy family but idk if that's rly juicy.
Doxfags will love this. There's a girl in a public Discord server who I strongly suspect to be Gura/senzawa on an alt, but I can't prove it, you'll just have to listen to my story and see if you feel the same way as me.
The beginning 3 letters of her name is sen, she acts kind of memey, she has the same interests as Gura (sometimes talks about rhythm games in the gaming channel, queues songs that Gura likes and has sung before, but doesn't ever reference Gura or senzawa).
But the thing that really convinced me was when I started to observe her online habits. I originally thought there was no way I just randomly stumbled upon her out-of-character account, but the way she typed reminded me too much of the way senzawa typed on her old twitter, so curiosity got the better of me and I watched: consistently, for the past 4 streams, she's set her status to DnD before a stream starts, then set back to a normal online status almost immediately after it was over. That's the only time she ever sets her status to DnD, and the timing is way too perfect to be a coincidence. The only rationalization I can think of is that the girl on Discord is a fan of Gura who really doesn't want to be bothered when the streams are on.
The chance of it true is so low, but the facts don't lie.
Before today's stream she said something in the #general channel of the server about having a busy schedule and that she's trying to be more productive in the morning despite not being a morning person, then near the beginning of Gura's stream today Gura basically said the same thing, even saying she has a morning stream scheduled soon and then exaggerating how uncharacteristic that is of her.
How should I proceed without setting off alarm bells? Am I just schizo?
Reposting with more information: when I click on her profile it says she's "new to Discord" and to say hi, so the account is at least new, but I dont know how new. The server I see her in is a medium sized server I found on Disboard under the gaming and social tags, lots of egirls but tame compared to most Disboard servers, the community seems nice and it avoids the NSFW degenerate garbage seen in other servers. She doesnt go in voice chat very often and I haven't caught her in there yet, she just hangs out and sometimes jumps into other people's conversations.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
it's an image board
you can observe yet you cant post pictures instead narrative
go back to reddit, scrote
you really expect us to believe this shit without any evedince?
go back to /jp/ faggot
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>>122400>I started to observe her online habits
They shouldn't even be compared to agencies like Hololive.
This is clearly just another Tuber network that uses the same old business model of profit via reciprocal exchange.
Their branding and talent choice for this is absolute dogshit though. The lack of audience diversity dooms any future member to either pander to weeb coomers or have their community flooded with them.
stalkers are the lifeblood of lolcowdom. nobody likes to admit it, but it's 100% true
no objections otherwise though
Sorry for bringing an old topic but https://anony.link/https://files.catbox.moe/6tpmal.mp4
Who tf is this girl? Is this really aqua ? If its true then i regret being her simp(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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It's not the real logo, anon is just comparing these two companies to each other
even the og post said it was not moona
what are you on about?
go harass random teen somewhere else, faggot