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Admin note: Emzotic has been outed for bizarre selfposting. See this post for a full explanation and Emzotic's post history.
In this thread we will be able to talk about another Petubers flaws. We will started with the basic kit of narcissistic self involved characters such as:
- Mentioned now and again on the TND thread.
- Complains about lolcow and similar sites, describing them as little predators in wait for pet youtubers to slip up.
- Throws a lot of subtle shade at other pet youtubers despite pretending to be 'friends' with them all.
- Moved to America to live with hoarder BYB boyfriend Danny.
- Won't show habitats for most of her and Danny's animals, keeping the exact number of animals a secret. Some examples of enclosures not shown include; Snapping turtle, snakes, and (unseen) monitor lizards.
- Thought she could cycle a fish tank with old water, put two betta together to 'breed' despite clearly knowing nothing about breeding and conditioning the fish.
- Keeps her doves in the bare minimum of cages, also keeps them next to ferrets and has let them land on the ferret cage before.
- Was paid off to set up an awful Bearded dragon enclosure including substrate that can cause impaction.
- Says she isn't planning on getting more animals but has recently taken in a skunk, plans to get another hornbill, plans to get a dog, has got a nano reef tank and two more mystery pets since stating this.
- Has now bought a new Gecko.
- Is supposed to be going to petfest.
- Recently made her lolcow debut.
- Was exposed for making well over 100 posts, ranging from bitching about other pettubers to making up crazy rumours and trying to defend herself.
All Emzotic posts on Lolcow can be found here: https://lolcow.farm/emzotic.html
- Support TND.
- Hoards animals like most pet youtubers and likes to buy the trending animal of the month.
- Had a betta fish in a fluvial tank but it 'disappeared'. Didn't care what had happened to it.
- Queen of the mean girls of pettube
- Helped arrange and is going to Petfest
- Hoards, breed and sell a shit tons of reptiles.
- Keep them on little plastic containers, justifying it with saying 'they like it that way'.
- Inbreeds and shows little concern for genetics outside of producing colour morphs that will sell for $$$.
- Sells bad quality, sick and otherwise ill reptiles.
- Bullies costumers if they dare to call him out for the shitty conditions his animals have when they arrived.
- Both Tyler Rugge and Taylor Nicole Dean have made collabs with him.
- Recently got kicked out of playlist for bringing in a baby gator and snake to scare/prank people with.
- Hoards animals like most other youtubers, justifies it by saying all her animals are taken to a vet. Regularly has over 30+ animals, has had over 50+ in the past.
- BYB rats, claims she doesn't any more but still ended up with sick baby rats that had to be treated for URI's and also a rat born with one testicle. Doesn't seem to know much about rat genetics but claims to have worked with breeders.
- Recently got two doves; one got sick and died. She blamed the breeder and 'genetic' illness despite environmental being much more likely. Subsequently she got another bird from a 'better breeder' to replace it, didn't quarantine properly and that bird is now also very sick.
- Is a 'wildlife rehabber'; although is listed as 'social media adviser' on their poorly made site. Charity was also only registered in Ohio in September 2017.
- Also helped arrange and is going to Petfest
Carolin von Petzholdt
- Keeps parrots. Has actively lost her parrot Hope numerous times on camera.
- Flies her Parrot Hope in public parks around dogs and as such has been chased by dogs and accosted by dog owners more than once.
- Doesn't train her parrot to fly back to her on a signal, merely screams randomly.
- Has had Hope both chase native birds and be chased by native birds during her free flying, resulting in Hope being lost at least twice from this.
- Has sexually molested her bird on camera; doesn't seem to understand that touching a birds vent is frustrating for the animal and essentially bestiality.
Swetha Menon Exotics
- Calls out other Pettubers.
- Doesn't listen to her own advice on keeping pets well.
- Currently houses a male and female mouse together letting them breed when they please.
- Feeds some of the litter live to one of her snakes, the other resulting babies fates are unknown.
- Hoards animals worse than some of the above.
- Was gifted two puppies and kept them even though she didn't have the space for them.
- House is literally crammed with animals.
- Killed all her fish once when she flea bombed her house to get rid of the fleas her roaming cats had brought in.
- Lets her turtles breed, found a nest they'd made unsupervised outside with most of the eggs being eaten by ants.
- Recently had one of her tortoises die. Was supposed to nebulize the tortoise every 8 hours, instead said she went to sleep for 21 and 'someone else did it'.
- Let her duck eat Styrofoam while yelling at it from across the room.
- Keeps her turtles in tiny cages.
- Keeps most of her animals in filthy conditions.
Taylor Nicole Dean thread: >>614641
Happy Tails aka Megan Arriola thread:>>612216
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From the last thread:
shitty shoop, but her sign is so exploitable.
We were the people to defend anyone here that got insulted due to appearance. All the while, she was doing just that
Tbh I think the milks going to spill onto the other pettubers with how she talked about them. So this is fine for now.
She should get a thread in the future though; if an anon wants to do a detailed (more detailed) write up for her?
I thought that was a jellyfish
Girl can't even draw.
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I tweeted at her when the expose dropped and tweeted at her better help thing.
She blocked me right after rip
Of course, Im aware ive been following, I just mean every single post…Just seems to crazy to be true damn. >>624840
Ah darn I see why thats a thing though, makes sense…
Em probably panicked and did the 'mature' thing and owned up to it to Taylor before it all came out lol
Or she was in on it for this social experiment excuse she came up with
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Taylor and Emma both liked this tweet
A few, and TND already liked at least one
of them. However, see >>624840
Also @ twitter users, please stop linking to lolcow.farm/emzotic.html, it has zero context and will be dismissed by new readers. Link to here: >>>/snow/624638
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Just came online to see the Emzotic reveal. Jesus fucking Christ, why? I am seriously so disappointed right now.. and I feel stupid.
I stood up for Em a few times in the pettuber and TND threads, saying things how I don't think she throws shade at Taylor, or stating that I like her content and how she seems really sweet and honest to me. I want Em to read this, to see she disappointed someone who considered themselves an actual fan with her actions.. and that this outing makes me seriously sad. Ya can't trust anyone huh?
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Twitter anon needs to literally direct them to the mod post here: >>624638
There's so much evidence… it's indisputable she posted all that.
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Someone needs to tell her to read whats been said about her
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She's such a liar.
She didn't tell anyone to expose what she posted… she was forced… by the admins.
She told Lolcow to show everything
Bitch, Farmhands had to show the 127 post you made because you keep coming back with your cringe shit.
So you were hurting 127 times?
Honestly I hope Taylor knows she was exposed. She didn't reveal herself.
She's so two faced. So full of lies.
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Thank you to everyone posting these screen shots! Because I just got blocked for all this ooaf, I enjoyed Em too, even got past her leeches and patronizing tone. Because I learned some things from her channel and I really liked her pets.
I really hope the other pettubers don't forgive her for this shit, it was terrible. And Taylor I really dont like her,but she has terrible self esteem and these posts made by Em really probably weren't helping, and thats honestly sad.
Taylor did like one of the tweets directed at her about this though…>>624866
Idk she's not completely ignoring it it seems like but I doubt she will actually say anything.
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She’s deleted all the replies to this thread… lol idk if that helped at this point
I was just about to post that lol
Sure is interesting to see how she immediately blames her HUGE spergout on "uwu my depression i need therapy"
Like damn, girl. Have some respect for yourself and accept that there are consequences to your actions.
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They are definitely talking about Emzotic>>624948
Me neither, I thought she talked only with Tyler
I actually feel bad for them, even Taylor, Em didn't even point out any of the real problems with Tay like animal care, just cruel remarks.
I wonder what Danny thinks of all this
Danny's probably enjoying it. Let's face it, he did that video mocking Taylor too…
Wonder how hollow Em's remarks on the video now sound to TND?
I wouldn't dare post publicly on TND's posts if I had been such a bitch to her. She's so fucking shameless.>>624991
As for good youtubers, I like Kitten Lady. Her videos are super informative and she seems to take good care of her rescues and not take on too much at a time.
So quick to change her tune from "it was just a social experiment you guys!". Hilarious.
Best part is that she outed herself as a ploy for attention too. She literally played herself just for the attention.
While she was here, I posted about how disappointed in her I was and that I, too, was a legitimate fan.
She replied, essentially saying she didn't care and that this is who she really is.
What she really is, is garbage. Lost all respect.
I'm so sorry, anon. It sucks when someone you like turns out to be a POS and then brushes you off when you epxress that disappointment.
I saw it and thought if she hadn't been a bitch about it, she would have kept a lot of her viewers even on here. But no, she had to be catty and #notbothered.
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Like its so obvious in hindsight, but also so bizarre obviously its pathetic really, why did she even feel the need to bring up her relationship like that or her miscarriage??
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This is another thing people told her to calm down about
I was deeply hurt by her immature reactions. Then, even more so with her reply. I shouldn't feel this personally wronged by someone I don't know personally, but that's what youtubers do. They share their lives with us (or the illusion of a
life) and you get invested. She had created some legitimately good content, so I honestly cared about her animals and her opinions on things. I was sad to unsubscribe.
But now. Now I hope Danny leaves her visa-seeking ass. I'm actually going through the K-1 fiance visa process for my future husband right now, so that was a particularly hard kick in the gut. I would never even JOKE about my relationship being a greencard marriage, because I actually love that man.
It feels like it was so much of a hard pill for her to swallow that people criticized her for shit, that she went off the other end and then criticized herself for it first.
Sort of a "if I do it first y'all can't call me out for it".
Even if she did ask admins to be outed (which she obviously didn't intend to), wouldn't that be just as insulting to her friends? Now these comments aren't just anonymous haters, they're comments from your friend
. It makes it so much more personal and really rubs it in. IDK why she thinks it's a good move to act like the outing was her idea.
Emma, if you wanna abandon the Emzotic brand and go for a new identity, I suggest Centipede #10
, sounds pretty relatable.
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Good thing Emzotic had so much practice getting her head up other people's asses, now she can grovel in TND's DMs so much more effectively
I get what you mean. You'd been holding out hope and it feels bad to be wronged by someone you've been defending and rooting for even if only in your mind. Lolcow is not a hugbox, but it seems to have been a personal situation and I'm wishing you all the best. Don't let it get to you, she's just a bitch.
Alright, farmhands, we're done with our niceties. Time to laugh at her role in THC.
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quality post anon
>>625036>Emma also works with her partner, Michael, who she met on the set of 'The Human Centipede'.
From IMBD. Imagine marrying the guy whose ass you've been stuck to for the past five days or who's seen you ass-to-face with two other people.
How're you gonna explain THAT to your wedding planners or put in your scrapbook of happy memories?
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Me reading emzotic's crazy posts
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This didn't age well..
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Conf Emzotic is possessed
Sage your posts by writing 'Sage' in the email field when you're posting, stops the thread from being bumped when you're not posting milk/simply discussing something! >>625094>>625092
You're probably right, it seemed like she wanted people to comment on the most horrible comments about herself defending her or something. I can't get my head around this at all lol. I thought she was the most 'mature' and non-drama free one……. guess not. The fact she's older than everyone else too and acting this way
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I was doing some digging discovered that Em has an old youtube channel called "Emma Lock UK". Didn't she say in all her pets video that the Emzotic channel was her very "first" channel?
There she has a crested gecko mating video where the male is holding the female by the face in mid air and dangling her while she cries out until they both fall down.
Here is the link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNcjyLbc6dA
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This is the channel.
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nabbed this from the TND thread. Taylor seems to have mistrusted her before lol
Honestly I think she wanted to get a victim complex a bit with some things, like when she's being hyper mean to herself. When other people agree she can think they are truly bad people for agreeing on something so terrible, and can dismiss the lot for being terrible since it is anonymous (which, for the most part, people were telling her to calm down lol). I also think some of it that was really critical over something dumb was a way to get people to say what she was criticizing doesn't, is untrue, etc as a way to reassure herself. Like what was said here >>625103
it's a way to make you look good if others are defending you. It just doesn't make sense now because we can all see her posts. Remember, she was using that anonymity to her favor.>>625086
Honestly I think it's going to die in a week or so, especially since she will probably start being a lot more conservative in her posts. Same thing happened with HT thread, it's pretty dead now because HT has never really over-shared or is super active on social media like TND
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She is realizing it's real. Glad she isn't completely clueless.
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Pulled from TND thread
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>>625148>almost every single person in the animal youtube community posts there anonymously
Also, peep that "I wanted to have my posts out there!" backpedal. I got a bicycle with your name on it, Kim
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Ok but emma none of the other pettubers have made comments anywhere near as bad as yours
wtf i love taylor now?
(not really calm down em issa meme but i like her a lot better than you now)
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She admitted to them that she did post them all
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This boy is delusional
Can't believe I missed this gem:>if the other pet tubers are ok to stay anonymous on there that's their karma
Holy shit, Em. YOU are the one that's been slagging off on your supposed "friends" for months now. Don't even try this whole shady shit where you insinuate all of them are in on it too. You're not better than any of them for "coming clean", you're only making yourself supremely unlikeable by acting holier-than-thou and oh-so-knowledgeable.
Not even lolcow's interested in you beyond what a trainwreck you and your career are. Get a grip, girlie. You're cancelled.
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Again when did she beg to not be outed? I mean pull out some shitty laws aren't exactly begging so idk if I miss that
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Proof? Who even cares if other people post, they aren't outed like you are. You got caught cause your not as intelligent as you think you are.
Her trying to shift the blame and make the drama even bigger by blaming other people LOL.
Sure, you absolutely "stopped your social experiment for your viewers' sake because you didn't want them to get sucked into this terribad website".
Did your social experiment include calling Taylor an ugly baboon's ass from the start or did you come up with that on the fly?
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She really just plugged lol
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Can you post the full screenshots from their convos?>>625257
Doesn't seem like it yet. Still +44 and live feed isn't showing huge drops.
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So far just this but then again her fans are mostly children that probably doesnt have a twitter or just doesnt care how crazy she is as long as she supplies them with her videos. One look at one of her videos and I knew she's not worth a sub from me
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Same images of this tweet + the next one.
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People slowly flocking over from Taylor's to Em's twitter to give her the comeuppance she deserves.
>>625191>you are not ugly or look like a baboon ass
My sides have reached orbit. The best part is he's trying to help. Fucking kek>>625203
A lot of speculation, but I'm assuming that when Em was told her shit was going to go public and it did, and she tried to save face in their DMs, and them not understanding the situation probably asked her to not reveal herself. The farmhands said Em never asked them to reveal her posts, but they didn't say she begged them not to. So maybe Em told TND that in truth, or added that to gain some pity knowing her shit was going public anyways.
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OT but isn't it funny how she calls Em a martyr but at the same time pats her ass publicly to virtuesignal?
No loyalty under thieves.
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Em's subs been going down since earlier. Lol
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Not actually milk but Em’s commenting on Danny’s Facebook posts (as of 2 hours ago) like she didn’t post those comments about him being gross and old. Kind of wonder if he’s cool with all of this.
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Unsure if anyone posted this one yet
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I wonder if this # is going to gain traction?
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Sure Em, this place is toxic, not /you/.
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New to this thread and these cows, but ugh this is so embarrassing: >>>/snow/585473
The absolute delusion. 10 years younger, what? That's really an excellent picture of Taylor and a really bad choice to juxtapose against her own shitty quality selfie with the dumb face.
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Em, you turned yourself into a monster. No one forced you to post here… there are plenty of folks here who /never/ bitch about peoples appearances and only critique their animal care. Of which there is /lots/ to talk about.
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I actually used to respect Em the most from the drama pet tubers but not anymore. She has destroyed her career as youtuber and I wonder how it'll affect her in the future
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She keeps pushing this narrative, but it's very clear she thought she could avoid having her post history outed by changing her IP so much.
She's a snake and she's a liar.
At least the pettubers seem to know the truth.
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Yeah, because they need your permission to blame you. Jesus… so self absorbed. Where's the actual 'I'm so sorry this is all on me'. There's just excuses with the 'I was in a bad place'.
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Holy shit Em stop. I never thought I'd say this, but leave TND alone. lol. You don't need to point out she's blocked you. She has plenty reason to.
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She is just milking this for attention now. Guess what TND said about her wanting it good or bad, is true.
With so much of it being Em and the fact other pettubers post on these threads. How much of the actual shit is farmers. I mainly just care about the pet care, I just am concerned for the animals and so do many people here, seems like maybe most of this terrible gossip is just the pettubers themselves,I mean sure their are some harsh farmers, but jeez are these threads even that bad if you take the pettubers out of them?
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Unlike those other pettubers ;) amaright Em?
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I don't know if they wrote mean things, I'm just going to imply it. Kek
Right? When I first suggested the TND thread I thought it'd be all about husbandry (I mean, she killed a kitten). I didn't even realize how much of a shit show she'd turn out to be. And then this thread, damn. I never realized how toxic this community was. It's hard to keep up with these people.
Why are so many shitty people attracted to animal care videos?
(And I'm not a petuber, I'm an artfag on lolcow to farm Holly Brown)
I think its because animals are something that people get VERY passionate about. In our defence, I think we just want the best for another living being that is fully dependent on their owner to be looked after in the best way. Do we nit-pick and go OTT? yes. But it's hard to see people who are educators doing the bare minimum instead of going above and beyond.
This passion for animal care then gets everyone riled up and pissed off, and then everyone (including myself at times) can get a bit pissed off with other parts of their life.
Doesn't excuse anything but its the reasoning for it
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Admiring? Is that a freudian slip?
Sage your posts by posting 'Sage' in the email field of your posts. please.
I know a lot of new people are flooding in cause of the drama but you need to learn board ettiquette/read the rules before posting
Most of her responses are thanking people for ass pats.
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Shane wouldn't be on my radar, but I'll tag him just in case he does see it and wants to help me get more subs.
I wouldn't be on Shane's radar*
I really have to start putting passwords for post deletion for when I screw them like this..
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She says she went there on Christmas, but she started posting under the Emzotic IP in May (3rd of May 2018).
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That's right Pickles everything is fine.. don't look behind the curtain.
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Oh look… she's an art thief too… if you're going to edit someone's art (which is poor form), at least ask them and credit them first.
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She's going after that Maria girl now
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She's posting their DM's.
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The only toxic person here Em, was you.
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There might end be being a video maybe not from Em, but if one of the others get fed up with her, or if Em really does just make it herself, it would be effective.
This news hasn't even been out for 24 hours, and petfest hasn't happened yet, im sure things are going to continue and maybe even go to youtube
seriously, she's painting herself to be such a victim in this. she just has mental problems guise!! the rest of us though? neet female incel failures who will never amount to anything (according to her)>>625610
imagine how much attention she will get from a youtube video, she might just do it.
Em's clearly trying to imply they're all as bad as her and have posting histories equal to hers here.
The thing is, in the general pet youtubers thread, there really weren't that many bad comments once you remove Ems.
Em is the super toxic one in that thread…
Perhaps they posted on TND thread though. Who knows.
It's possible but I really doubt it. Em has proven she's a vile human who will drag people who are meant to be her friends to feel better. She's trying to make out we're all as bad as her, but these were people she was pretending to be friends with, most of us come here to comment on their shitty animal care and laugh at their hypocrisy. She's proven she's the type of person to drag others down to lift herself up, and now everything has backfired on her she's now also trying to drag the rest of them down with her, because that's just the type of person she is.
Em, stop this fucking pity party and just admit you're a two faced bitch who can't handle other people being better/more popular than you.
Read the lolcow.farm/kiki page & go to the evidence section below. They use all sorts of methods to work out who is posting what. >>625646
Nah she just thinks she is the voice cause she speaks in an authoritarian way. Her mental breakdown on here proves she can't keep her own life together nevermind a pettube panel. They'll do fine without her
Sorry you're right, that's exactly what I meant hahah. >>625646
I think it will be hard to pull off considering how Tanacon went recently…. but I don't think Emzotic had anything more interesting to bring to the table really. Her animal knowledge is standard facts & as someone who likes to learn about the latin behind the name, reclassifications, specific regions where they're found, sub-species etc. I don't find her videos that informative.
Yeah she can speak infront of a camera but she does come across as very patronising at times in social situations, which before all this drama I overlooked cause I thought she was nice lol. Young audience won't care about the drama
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Now I've blamed everything under the sun, except myself, and have issued a non apology, I'm going to stop talking about it. k Em.
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Saging these as I'm also posting them in TND's thread.
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What clique was TND in though? They were the meangirls group, I thought TND was on the outside lol.
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lol She's really milking it.
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Ok you can stop now. This is cringy.
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Why does she keep talking about helping/inspiring others to get help?? It's really confusing.
She should remove all these tweets that are just pathetic excuses and stay out of it. Just by continuing to post you are showing how little you actually care for your victims.
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Oh I totally forgot about that. >>624129
Well I hope Taylor's rabid fans will do their public execution on someone who actually deserves it for once. I hate that this vindictive, narcissistic crazy person is only now using #gettinghelp as an excuse for her behavior AS A 30 YEAR OLD, no less. You're only "sorry" you got caught when what you should be is ashamed. How embarrassing is it that a bunch of people 10 years younger than you had to spend a day coaxing you into keeping your embarrassment private and you STILL decided to smear your shit all over social media. Pathetic!
(Also OT but what is it with Ems being self-degrading lunatics here? Ember Whannorexic, Em Crockpot, and now this psycho.)
Sorry if it was addressed in the other thread, but do the farmhands have any idea who this sperg >>624054
was, and if they were at all connected to Em?
a. Taylor confirms lurking herself, yet again.
b. At least she recognizes a lot of the truly autistic shit was Emzotic. There are a few other posts, like the one mentioned by the anon right above me that I also suspect was Em.
c. Taylor if you fucking lurk here stop using that leash with your cats.
Someone here mentioned it upthread, but for like the first six TND threads there was a spergy samefag that would constantly call Taylor a stupid slut, fat whore, etc.
I'm literally grabbing the first post I could find by them, but >>549025
is just one example of what is likely hundreds. The misogynistic and OTT language in >>624054
reminded me of that. While it's minor, I was always able to pick out the samefag because they never put a line break in between their linked posts and whatever retarded reply they had to it. Which the pet thread sperg also didn't do.
Sage for big tinfoil hat, but that anon was the reason the first five TND threads were godless, hateful shitpits.
Call out Taylor publicly for her shit animal care.
Most people here think the insults about her appearance are dumb and that's all Em did.
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Sure, we criticize Taylors botched lips and horrible hair, but we didn't do some shit that Em did like say "no man will want her after she's been with Jonny Craig, they'd ask for an AIDS test".
Emzotics spergs hardly even touched Taylor's poor husbandry.
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It's so funny that Maria is spreading Em's posts. At least more people will see them now.
Since we've gotten many requests about this: this post >>624054
is most likely unrelated to any of the current drama. It's a random farmer who posts these rants towards staff and users in many threads and has been banned. We don't believe that it was written by anyone related to this thread.
We're still looking into reports of suspected Emzotic posts and have been conducting our own investigation in older threads. Please keep reporting and use "Emzotic" as the report reason so we can keep track. We'll update the post history and make a new announcement once we believe that we found everything.
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Top kek, they edited her out.
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I wish the necrotic parts of the pet community would drop off… but seriously. Does this animal have vet care? She's not posted anything about it… leaving digits to drop off can leave the animal open to infection.
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Despite saying how much she's not going to talk about it; she's doing a lot of talking. She's like a dog with a bone, won't just drop it.
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Zoe’s pet rescue
She won't stop talking about it, are you kidding me? This is getting her attention, right? And she said "she loves ANY kind of attention".
Bets on how soon she'll be back for more? I'm guessing 6-8 hours.
Sorry for samefagging, but god, the tone of voice she uses in >>625718
pisses me off so bad.
>Molly - That's not quite how things have happened.
What a condescending POS. She's like a school marm with her patronizing way of speech. Fucking infuriating.
It's not samefagging unless you're pretending to be multiple people, starting arguments/agreeing with yourself etc. You don't even have to announce that its you again, as long as you're not pretending to be different people it's fine.
What Em was doing was samefagging.
>>625897>it's in the past for me now
bitch you what it was yesterday. YESTERDAY.
>well sweatie we should all move on :) hope we ALL learn something from this situation because i bravely put myself forward ☺️ best wishes to you! x
That fucking emoji infuriates me so much and I don't know why.
said, basically. She thinks after she's had a day or so of public "penitence" if you can call it that, she's done feeling bad. Absolutely disgusting.
oh shoot there's a thread on Holly?
that's where im goin after this
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Sorry y'all that image wss shit
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An anon posted these twenty minutes ago in the general pettubers thread #2
They were on the wrong thread
Who posted that?
Question: Regarding the outing of the Empsychotic posts, was she really only discovered because she admitted to being here like a tard >>623985
Or was it more like there was some sort of IP pattern that made admins and mods notice before, and her outing herself just sealed the tie between all the posts put together?
I find post histories fascinating. I really enjoyed reading Kaka's and Mystery's. It all seems like an arduous task though without the cows literally making morons of themselves.
ooof, those caps of all that damage control…
She made multiple posts like the one you first mentioned, even when she got banned and the farmhand told her to stop. If she evaded the ban again, admin would show her entire post history, but im guessing she didn't care at first since she changed her ip address multiple times, even before she made those long posts and thought they couldn't track her posts. But her post history was still revealed the next day, showing all her 127(and possibly more)posts. THEN she admitted to it.
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I don’t know who this Bree chick is but I love her
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Oh Em. You can't stop can you?
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This just feels like another one of her cringy faux-“interview” questions ugh
>hey guise i did all of this because im totes mentally ill and addicted to social media, im so relatable, see I use my phone a lot too, just like you! I had to turn it off bc ~so addicted~, see I’m admitting my addiction and I’m flawed just like you fellow viewer, ….so if you can just answer this super relatable question for my new CBS interview docuseries that’d be great…. tell me how addicted to the Internet are you? …you know what? just go ahead and click “it’s a total addiction” right there, at the bottom. I’m not doing this to make myself feel better and less of a psycho ha ha haha… all the other pettubers are “sucked in” to the internet as well! it’s not just me! they posted too!! you’re all addicted to it, okay?! so I’m super relatable to you now and everything I did was not my fault! Any of you guise could have made the same exact “mistake”! OKAY?!
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*before I selfpost
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Seriously, which pettuber posted this?? Obviously not Maddie since she was the one typing to the pettuber who posted this.
I like how Maddie and rest of them are trying to figure out how to exclude Cataleah and HTs even though they said everyone is invited. Pettubers always trying to make themselves look like high and mighty when they all just messy scum.
Is it me or is this a bad idea/one to just get attention? Like TND doesn't own that video idea, but it seems like such an obviously bad idea after going round insulting her.
Surely there are limitless videos she could have otherwise chosen to do?
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She removed her apology comments too; but keeps blaming them on her twitter saying they're commenting here as well. lol She needs to stop… not just say she's getting off social media, actually do it. For more than 1 hour.
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Don't think this has been posted here; but it's actually pretty funny.
To be fair, Em literally won't shut up. lol Has she ever been this active on Twitter?
At first I thought she was just trying to post normal content so it'd be buried… but she just keeps on talking about it… and now the video idea. Is she literally having a breakdown? Like why is she doing this?
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You did something wrong Em. You were being shady and two faced. She's so snarky. Totally how someone who regrets their actions behaves.
Nobody agrees to have their posts published. Imagine if kaka and putin were out here claiming they allowed admin sama to whip them lol
She is sorry she got caught.
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How about some humility Em. This all happened less than 48 hours ago. You might have moved on already but it's clear other people haven't. Jesus. What's wrong with her?
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She doesn't know what friendship is guys. That's why she bitches about people kek.
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She's updated her bio too. 'Flawed human #mentalhealth'.
I feel like a lot more people would have empathy for her/believe in her ability to move on from this; if she'd just stop milking it.
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Yeah, but again, post shit about themselves?
I agree that they all probably post in their own threads too, but defending, trying to explain is more obvious a theme than ripping into yourself. She even responded to herself… it was like watching someone with MPD after they were all revealed. lol
you’d think nobody would be insane enough to do it, but em is exactly the kind of person who would, evidently
also funny, two other cows did the same exact thing a couple years back in their respective threads, and their names both begin with Em as well. they both posted about themselves in the third person accusing themselves of photoshop, faking alcoholism, cheating on their boyfriends etc… the mind of a lolcow is a complex one indeed lmao
With how she's treated everything so far, I really don't think she is self-aware. Everyone has been saying how insincere she seems and how she keeps brushing over it like nothing happened or making herself out to be the victim. I genuinely don't think she fully believes what she did was wrong or why it was wrong. I am wondering if she is a little histrionic with some other cluster B disorders>>626958
Did you report them for being Em?
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I kind of agree… it's been like two days and she wants folks to forget about it already. Describing any criticisms as white noise isn't going to do her any favours. Not to mention, she really hasn't had that much hate in her twitter comments. Unless she's deleting them?
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Is it me or is she really not very sorry at all? She got over it pretty quickly.
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Well she got the emotional harm down lol. All of her comments were on Taylor's appearance.
Because she thinks she's a moviemaker. Same reason she cuts and adjusts her camera to set up dramatic well-framed shots of her pointing and looking fake worried when Hope's being actively circled by birds of prey. Her actual human emotions in any situation come second to "actually, this would be a great shot…" which is why she's continually letting Hope get into danger.
I believe she's obsessed with her birds but I also lowkey believe there's a part of her that's always subconsciously hoping something WILL happen to Hope so she can milk it for views.
Seen a few of this womans videos now, is she actually disabled? I honestly can't tell. The way she speaks to people (not referring to her accent at all) and the camera she just doesn't seem right to me. And that video of her "crying" on the phone… I've never seen someone hysterically crying with literally no tears before.
She kicks off at other people for not having their dogs on a lead but is fine with her bird swooping and teasing them, she made a video ranting about a woman trying to steal her bird when she literally just put her arm up because it looked like the bird was going to land on her, and now she's calling up a vet blaming the receptionist for her bird dying? If they don't have any appointments what are they meant to do. She shouldn't have driven around with her bird for 2 hours, but she has no idea if her bird would still be alive if she left it at home either. How can she say vets kill birds and you shouldn't take your pets to a vet…if her bird never even went to a vet.
I honestly there's a couple of screws loose with this woman.
The way she speaks annoys me so much I can't even sit through the video
I feel bad for the poor receptionist who just had to sit through her scream crying through the phone
The way shes crying and then glancing at the camera seems so fake to me
From watching her stuff, the Goldfish dying wasn't exactly her fault. She did everything she could to figure out the issue and even had fish sacrificed in a lab to try and figure out how to treat it.
That said; she also lost her discus and blamed the same pathogen, however her care for them wasn't stellar and for such delicate fish, they seemed to be stressed out a lot.
Can you list some of the things wrong with her gecko care though? She still has one right? I'd be interested to know about her care there.
Lets not forget that she also keeps her two rabbits solo. The second she found out they were both males she separated them (the right thing to do), but she never bothered trying to find partners for them.
Its not going to kill them, but I definitely don't like it. I also hate how she lets her cats all over the place (in the rabbit pens unsupervised, in the fish room, etc) but that's more me nitpicking
Tbf many exotic pets and all fish are just observational pets. The axolotl pet trade is actually neat because it's conserving some morphs of axolotl while the wild axolotls are pushed to extinction. And since it's a "newer" breeding program many breeders are very careful about preventing bad genes from being passed down (dwarves/minis) and keep great genealogy charts to avoid inbreeding. I don't have an axie but I've done a lot of research because I've been thinking about getting one.
As far as Jenny, I think she's a step above a lot of the Petubers because of her ability to learn from her mistakes, but also not top tier because of her discus fiasco. Like cool she learns and grows, but boo she makes some of the mistakes she has in the first place. If your job is filming animal care for thousands of people, I'd do some in depth research first
But why didn't she just adopt a rabbit that was old enough to be sexed?
If its better to have 2 than 4 then she should have rehomed "Henrietta" to find a suitable partner for her other one
I dont think it was Solid Gold's fault the death of her goldfish, a lab couldnt even figure out what cause the death of all of them.
The only think that i saw she fucked up was with the Discuss, she obvisly only got them for KingofDIY, but they arent her speciality. I was dissapointed about her not owning up the death of the Discuss and blaming the breeder when many videos before that,they seem really fucking stress and she didnt even make the effort to find a way to make them eat, which i think stress was the direct cause of them not wanting to eat in the first place.
She basically let them die of starvation and let one of them die because she just wasnt able to put the poor thing apart when it was pick on by the others.
She cant handle and doesnt know what to do when fishes dont get along,you can see that in her new tank with the angels, again all of them are picking one and instead of separated it she is just waiting for them to get along, which is okay when you are looking after them and you are willing to put the fish in its own tank, but she doesnt.
Also what was wrong with the set up of her gecko?
About the cats, that a little reaching. They are really chill and believed or not, there are animals who arent from the same species and get along.
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look who's lurking
She treated them before. You wouldn't sacrifice fish before major treatment hasn't worked. That's really a non issue.
As far as her other pets, that has been something that's been bothering me.. she does seem to be getting more and more. Having a fishroom is one thing.. her water change system etc looks really good and easy to do… but…
She's now got bunnies, dart frogs, another kind of frog (I forget what it's called some kind of tree frog), another gecko and didn't she say something about chameleons coming? In addition to her cats.. and her BF's dog which seems to be staying with her full time too.
She's hoarding animals… like all the pet youtubers start to do. It's disappointing.
She did have it sexed by a breeder and a vet, but shit happens.
I think its more ethical to try to make it work than recommend pet flipping.
Is finding a suitable home with a better environment (paired) really equivalent to "pet flipping"? She's made poor choices no matter.
Maybe "making it work" could include pairing the rabbits (i.e. taking their overall well-being into account) before getting dozens of fish, multiple frogs, leopard geckos, etc
Not about SGA, but Emzotic has been deleting pretty much all of the negative comments left on her latest video and liking all of the ass-kissing ones to pin them to the top
Wow, way to prove you're better than the bullies… by becoming a bully yourself.
Not surprised it was from Tyler though. He's a top class cunt.
Wow, let's go down the checklist>faux-sincere thanks - check>misspells "whether" for the fifth time this week - check>I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE THAT POSTED REEEEE - check>everything is over now i'm moving on from my shit behavior after three days - check >>626525
Wow. I like her little "story time" at the beginning to make herself look relatable. Wew. She's so fucking transparent.
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>>626645>i'm really glad you've clearly never been in such a dark place>i hope you never have to go mentally where i am
CRAAAAAAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIN
THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEAL
I don't think that's entirely true given the volume of animals she has and how frequently they have had issues. Not saying the issues are her fault, but she obviously spends a great deal of time on their care.
Either way this doesn't negate the fact that she's getting new animals and isn't necessarily prioritizing the ones she already has.
Two more rabbits wouldn't take up any more time than the reptiles she's bought unless she socializes with each rabbit individually for hours at a time.
But she doesn't have a lot frequent issues? She had the bad outbreak with her fish, and her leopard gecko died due to genetic complications (at least thats what her vet said). >isn't necessarily prioritizing the ones she already has>Two more rabbits wouldn't take up any more time
Um, what? I dont know what world you live in where you would recommend someone getting four rabbits when you already think they 'aren't prioritizing' their current animals, but okay.
No, what I'm saying is that she should have done it before getting these other animals and focusing on their enclosures/the fish room. She should have made THEM the priority in the first place.
And this is obviously all retrospective advice. I'm not condemning her husbandry as a whole; I'm just pointing out somethingI have a problem with.
I think having two rabbits solo is a problem regardless of her circumstance
Honestly her house it's a fucking mess, I was be surprised, I don't know if it was cold outside and she left her in her enclosure at the backyard and by that she got sick, but who knows.
I just know it didn't help she out the turtle in the dirty floor while still recovering.
This was talked about in the last thread, but Steff fell asleep for 22 hours on the fifth? day she had her turtle on the nebulizer and just said "yeah someone else had to nebulize her". Super vague and seeing as her turtles health spiralled down after that, it seems to be the reason (maybe mixed in with her letting her outside) that she passed.
I think her turtles enclosure was okay though, I'd say a bit too small, I don't know much about box turtles though
Its kinda worrying since she has mentioned in videos, multiple times, about wanting more animals or fighting the urge to get more when she sees them.
Like for example, her videos where she talks about her time at the reptile expos. In her "I SMUGGLED MY NEW PETS FROM THE REPTILE EXPO ON THE PLANE!" video, she mentioned wanting a retic as well as admitting she almost bought a baby crocodile and a baby soft shell turtle. At least she has a little sliver of self-control but I doubt it'll last as she gets older.
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Em is thinking about (read: definitely going to) start a gofundme now? She's looking for quick redemption here, I guess.
Are people legally obligated to keep their word on patreon? She says 100% "after the 1% cut" but what's stopping her from pocketing 10%?
People don't keep to their pateon rewards all the time yet they're still allowed to continue to collect the money and provide no proof of where that money goes.
Glad to see almost half of people who voted for this aren't fucking blind.
I really can’t stand anyone in the group that arranged PetFest. That are a clique and aside from Taylor having over a million and Tyler having 235k subscribers as their claim to fame, they all make repetitive shit vids. (Meet all my pets, feed all my pets, etc.)
They are continually referred to as PetTubers. There are dozens of other youtubers making videos about their pets that make quality videos. They are responsible pet owners. And many of them were around and making videos well before members of this group. Erin’s Animals will be celebrating 7 years on YouTube shortly. They stay out of the drama and are truly about their pets and not drama. Yes, let’s make “pettube” great again…like before the likes of Taylor, Tyler, Emzotic, Maddie, Pickles, Lori, Tori, and Emma evolved!
Well Lori, firstly Hi, secondly your animal care is probably fine but I wouldn't know because I can't take the time to watch your videos because you try painfully hard to remain relevant, 'cool', far too upbeat (maybe its just the accent?). You might want to be careful appearing too 'good' because if you ever do an Emzotic and get found to be posting on here it might shock a lot of people.
But mostly, just by association of fitting into that little clique of hoarding teenagers, I think unfortunately it damages your reputation too.
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Em is still definitely not the best pet-tuber nor person after this whole TND shit and while this comes off as attention grabby/ 'woe is me', I do have to reluctantly give her credit for this. Getting a pet tuber tattoo is generally dumb as fuck and Em seems to somewhat realize this could be regrettable while TND was aaaall over people getting her animals tattooed on them.
but seriously who the heck thinks these are okay tattoo ideas
Read the rest of the replies, shes getting a jenna tattoo, it's not real.
I thought she was an idiot too for doing it, but yeah thankfully not real.
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The reply from the person getting the jenna tattoo.
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her other jenna tattoos. lol she posts alot of bdsm things..
Her aquatic turtle enclosures are pretty bad. In the video where she makes them she goes to home Depot and gets 'the biggest storage tub they have'. Which is (the biggest I can find) 55 gallons. Okay for her smaller male turtles but way too small for her female res, who should have at least a 125 gallon tank for herself.
She also has an alligator snapping turtle and a snapping turtle in the same tank? Which is bad>>627926
I just wish she had separated the tetras from the big fish as soon as she got them, they must be so stressed.
The thing is, she shouldn't have to clean her turtle's shells that often, or even ever if she has correct water quality, space and lighting. I don't even remember why she was cleaning them all, I think algae? If she kept them in bigger tanks out of the sun and had better water quality they should be moving and basking enough that they don't get algae on them.(and she could get algae eaters if her turtles accept them)
If it was bc they had retained scutes, that's also a water quality/lighting issue.
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Sorry anon but that same screenshot comes up when you Google "human centipede 2" as well. May not have been from lolcow as it was not a screenshot specifically captured from a unique frame by a farmer.
The meme is at Em's expense for sure but she deserves it and the joke itself is funny bc TND's fandom really is all the way up her cowfish's ass. TND doesn't even like that fish that much as it's not a fancy morph or edgy but her fandom is forcing her to keep it relevant. Much like DIY's fish Frank whom he reallllllly cant be assed to give a shit about when his arowanas exist.
Starting to wonder if she's posting here lol. Since there is so much praise for her I'm going to go ahead and add some criticism here just to balance it out.
She funds and promotes inhumane breeding. many of her fancy fish have been bred to extremes to the point that I consider the breeding to be unethical. Her telescope fish can not properly see where they are going and are incredibly fragile to boot, so an unknown bump can cause a painful injury. On top of that the majority of fancy goldfish are killed because they don't come out right, not because they are unhealthy. She also keeps flaunting her 'harlequin' dane on insta, a breed that is well known to be byb and have higher chances of a myriad of health issues. She also promotes designer dogs, another unethical breeding practice for the sake of appearing special. And that's only from the first page on her instagram
Her genuine joy while watching her goldfish made me happy. >>629704
After Em's reveal, a lot of people (myself included) were posting things like "Who CAN we trust?" that sparked the discussion of SGA. She seems to at least genuinely care about the wellbeing of her animals and understand her limits, which is reassuring, but now there's apprehension in praising any pettuber. I hadn't seen her mentioned much until people started asking who WAS worth watching and supporting. She just looks better by comparison now. No tinfoil needed.
Literally how could you have a problem with this video? She called the non emergency line because it was a Sunday and it was the only option she could think of.
Of course she doesn't mention the other animals. According to the investigator ALL of the animals looked healthy, but the sale of rabbits is ILLEGAL in LA so that's why it was more relevant.
Did you even watch the video? She confirmed that an investigation was underway with the animal cruelty agency and they confirmed that the other animals were allowed to stay. Seriously don't know what your issue is with this considering how TND took care of the turtle situation. This was great and compassionate.
Hi SG I guess I'll explain further since you aren't quite getting it. Because of the deformity they are breeding, there are a lot of fish born that are too deformed to even live. There are also a great deal of fish that die because they aren't
deformed, or not deformed enough. At the end of the day only about ~2% of these goldfish even live to see the market. This has absolutely nothing to do about nature, appeal to nature is a logical fallacy for a reason and even pretending it's not, selective breeding =/= nature. I understand the necessity for culling, I used to breed angels myself. But breeding for a deformity that objectively lowers their quality of life and needing to regularly cull 98% of the batch because they aren't fucked up enough is fucked.
Calm down SG it's just banter. If you want to WK pettubers make a thread that isn't on /snow/, because this isn't really the place for that.
Also moving HT to a new thread was a bad idea, that thread has been DOA. HT doesn't post nearly enough on all social media combined to warrant her own thread.
I think they lurk here, maybe even post. I'm more leaning towards stans posting rather than pettubers themselves but you never know.
Breeding angels is nothing like breeding goldfish, yes goldfish are VERY modified at this point and some breeds I think are very cruel e.g. celestial/bubble-eyes. As someone who owns a telescope goldfish who is mixed in with single-tails and other varieties and holds his own, if they are bred correctly and ethically they live their live fine. Excessive culling isn't just for 'aesthetic', it's also to take out bent backs, swim bladder problems etc, as you know yourself. Even single-tail long-bodied goldfish are riddled with all of these problems and need to be culled rigorously.
Also, most of the goldfish that are culled for aesthetic reasons are sent to pet-shops generally, I own a tank full of goldfish misfits with very minor flaws like curled gills, bent tail fins. Doesn't inhibit their life whatsoever, just means they aren't going to be a £50 fish.
I do agree with you that breeding for deeper bodies in most breeds is cruel though. It causes an array of problems and I think that this aspect of goldfish breeding is much more damaging than telescope features and double fins etc. It fucks up their insides, and it isn't some cute little quirk deformity like a 'butterfly tail'
Unfortunately the cull-debate isn't something that is going to be resolved on lolcow anytime soon, but you know yourself that the debate goes much further than Jennie herself.
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I know we still have no idea how many animals Danny is hoarding but this is a screenshot from Ems story and kinda shows a rack system in the background. Looks like a lot regardless
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So much milk on Meghan’s Twitter rn. Saint Maddie called her out on Twitter for the mouse video, funny how they only seem to call out her bad pet care and no one else. If Meghan wasn’t so shit I’d almost feel sorry for her.
Ugh, ferret sperg here, but ferrets aren't supposed to eat ANYTHING, except meat. Eating fiber/plant protein can literally give them cancer and/or destroy their digestive system, give them bladder stones, and ulcers.
Don't know why they thought this was such a cute photo to take.
DIY impulse buys animals, that's his main problem. He wouldn't have two dead sharks right now had he not impulse bought them to begin with. (They would have outgrown any tank he could have provided, he already said he'd have to donate them to an aquarium / university, once they got even half their adult size. As such imho he should never have gotten them).
I don't blame him for this current situation… but I do question why the fishroom isn't better insulated for this situation. If the AC unit was the main thing that caused the heat spike, fine, but in some ways 1 small unit with no backup isn't a good idea. If it's the same unit that heats in the winter (because lets face it, the heatwave is a surprise, but the cold won't be); and it heats the entire room for the tanks; he could easily loose more fish in a prolonged blackout , snow storm etc.
>>624918>that toxic place
When she was literally the one that wrote the worst toxic shit that had nothing to do with animals.
On another note, it's seriously worrying to me how she called out her OWN shit animal keeping. Like she knows but still does the things, so basically she is mistreating them on purpose and knowingly. She's the worst for that reason.
No prob. I'm not an animal expert by any means, but I follow a lot of animal husbandry blogs on tumblr who have interesting discussions.
Some other interesting stuff:
A great tag summary of why Brian's animal care is horrific, for those that don't know: http://i-m-snek.tumblr.com/tagged/bhb-critical
A convo about whether or not fancy goldfish are ethical (for the SG convo): http://narelleart.tumblr.com/post/165298882588/are-fancy-goldfish-ethical
And some stuff about the Leopard Gecko channel–people on reptiblr call her "Eco Earth Girl":http://tser.tumblr.com/post/160392920969/whos-eco-earth-girlhttp://tser.tumblr.com/post/160409330614/eco-earth-girl-girl-also-killed-her-crestie-fromhttp://tser.tumblr.com/post/175266282219/leopard-gecko-talkeco-earth-girl-is-disliked-on
If you want to talk about Tyler, post about his shit care.
- Support TND.
- Hoards animals like most pet youtubers and likes to buy the trending animal of the month.
- Had a betta fish in a fluvial tank but it 'disappeared'. Didn't care what had happened to it.
- Queen of the mean girls of pettube
- Helped arrange and is going to Petfest
I mean, the hoarding is probably the main issue. A lot of other petubers rescue animals they have not considered the care of/requirements of and while I cannot personally comment on his care myself, if he's hoarding there's no way he has enough space or time to care and health check a possibly sick turtle.
No, I was just trying to share some info about Joey and then I followed up with more links after the anon said thank you.
Tyler is more difficult for me to be critical about because he's so vague about his parameters and care, but a list of things I've noticed:
*His hedgehog enclosure is terrible. In a video he mentioned that it's 36 x 18.5 x 22.5 inches and ~4.6 sq ft. And made sure we knew that the minimum is 4 sq. ft. Except most people in the hedgehog community agree that 8 sq ft is the absolute bare minimum and strive for enclosures that are *much* larger than that. He also woke the poor hedgehog up in the middle of the day for his annoying video.
If you're interested in what enriching enclosures can look like when you actually give a damn check out: http://hedgehogsofasgard.com/post/159081372716/how-to-set-up-a-bioactive-or-naturalistic
*He did a collab with Brian who, imo, is vile.
*Went from 9 pets (in his very first video) to over 30 pets (as of 3 months ago) in 3 years.
*Not really all that impressed by his turtle rescue. I'm all for rescuing but it's egotistical to not be interested in getting a turtle and then decide you have to be the one to save it. If you've never had experience with a healthy turtle what makes you think you're capable of rehabbing a neglected one that most likely has MBD? Did he quarantine it? Bring it to the vet?
*Keeps a betta fish in a 5 gallon tank…most people on fishblr recommend 10 gallons minimum.
*I can't tell how long his bearded dragon enclosure is but it doesn't look great. If these pettubers were actually passionate about animal enrichment they would be striving for more than mediocre care. A great bioactive beardie enclosure: https://eldrickthegreat.tumblr.com/
*His sunbeam snake is literally in a god damn opaque tub under his dubia roach colony! It has no light AT ALL. Yeah, sure, they like to burrow but complete darkness 24/7? Even terrible companies like Backwater Reptiles don't list opaque tubs in their care guides.
*In his "Meet all my pets" video from March 2018 he talks about how he is home all day and taking care of his pets is his full time job. Then why is everything so mediocre? I follow a lot of people on tumblr who do so much research into their animals' native habitats, wild diets, uvb requirements. They have enclosures worth showing off because they're passionate about it. With these pettubers it's not really about the animals at all.
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That's why I cant take them seriously about HT, they complain about her not listening them but they do the same.
Tyler always do some hardcorde mental gymnastics to justify his bare minimum care and refuse to listen other people.
So he took its out of an extreme abusive situation so he could keep it in a moderately abusive situation? Why does he sound proud to be keeping the majority of his animals in tiny cages?
He’s just as bad as happytails, just with 1/3 the amount of animals
The pet store told him to breed them, then they'd hatch the eggs for him and give him half of the babies. I highly doubt he prepared the female for breeding by giving her extra food and vitamins or monitoring her weight, etc.
Now he currently has a male and female Abronia which he's keeping together. I'm pretty sure they're either from LLL or BackWater which means they're not breeding quality animals. And again, I'm sure he's not preparing the female for the inevitable breeding.
Yeah, just because it happen a long time ago it doesnt mean it gets automatically discarded, they preach about research before you buy an animal but are way to lazy to follow that (+ cant wait to get views/money) >>632632
But none of the parts involved cared to see if they were good to go ( make test to see if they were relatives to avoid inbreeding, they were old enough to breed properly, or if any of them were sick, which could have prevent all the mess that happen).
*He also made light of his carpet python's wobble and actually told his viewers it won't impact it's quality of life.
*With his lack of research and quarantine protocols I wonder if he'll end up with a case of IBD since he keeps boas and pythons in the same room.
*Named one of his animals Gypsy, which is a racial slur.
*Puts costumes on his pets
Sure he says it but doesn’t mean that he actually does it. This whole thread is speculation. Also rabbits are most active at night so they need more room period.
I’m also pretty sure his bird care has been criticized in the past as well, his birds are in cages way too small.
Pettubers that use the “free roam” excuse to justify their unacceptable cage sizes are still animal abusers.
Keeping an rabbit isolated and in a cage it can’t even turn around in for 8-12hrs a day is fucking cruel.
Um it’s a giant rabbit, and just by looking at the poor thing you can tell the cage is not big enough.
The rabbit is also nocturnal, so youre restricting it in an unacceptable cage during its most active hours. If you think that’s okay, I hope you don’t own any animals, or get any in the near future.
There is such a thing as bunny proofing your house. House rabbits are around cords all the time but if you properly bun proof it's not dangerous.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate that Tyler keeps his bun in such a small area for the majority of it's daily life and I also think it's messed up he's never even bonded him…. especially when he acts all high & mighty like he knows everything… wouldn't he know how important it is to have his bun bond with another bun? and ontop of that his tiny enclosure has zero enrichment.
Yeah, declawing cats is apparently common practise too, so what does that tell you?
As other anons already said: bunnies are active during the night. He is locking up the bunny when it needs space the most. That cage is so small that the bunny should not be in there for half a day. I also doubt he lets it roam the animal room daily, since there are open cables all over the place.
And keeping one bunny alone is so bad for them, that it is straight up illegal in some countries.
Bunnies need a partner and bunnies this big need a cage size of 3 square meters + freeroaming for several hours.
And people see his videos and feel validated in the way they keep their own bunnies, so he is contributing to subpar conditions in rabbit care being considered the norm.
Some of the information on those posts aren't correct, they were complaining about the size of the tanks for the eel, all his tanks are 120 gallons (not 50 gallons as stated) & are sufficient for a fully grown echidna nebulosa.
His tanks have lids with the exception of the 90 gallon the eel jumped out of recently. He takes the lids off for filming and then replaces them, he got corrected so then said the lids are 'light-weight'. Joey actually weights them down.
I agree with the red-tailed catfish & salt-water fish comments though.
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Is this directed at someone in particular or just a random tweet? I know HT was calling the other pettubers mean, racist, sexest, body shaming bullies etc, but considering she brought up Em I figured it had something to do with something Em said.
I've never been one to speculate, but I know this YouTuber has posted her own videos here before and since this video only has 56 views I'm pretty sure she posted her own video again.
If you're going to tell people not to do something, back it up with articles and reasons. This is pretty pointless. Why should people listen to you if you don't share facts to back yourself up? I could link to a dozen articles (at the very least) about why male mice shouldn't be housed together. It's not that hard. This is just for views and drama.
She isn't even training the bird.
How does she even get these idiotic owners to stand with their animals so close to another free animal anyway? It's common practice to move away to another section of the park if it's taken (at least in the UK) or is she stood at the very entrance of the park baiting her bird to do some dangerous shit?
Also she's now selling her parrots feathers as merch.
Honestly, I like him, he seems well-intentioned and wants the best for his pets but what I don't like is that he bought a baby box turtle and a slider, which live 50/30 years respectively.
That's a long commitment for someone whose 18-20 years old and doesn't have a definite future set AND there are plenty of adult turtles that are available for rehoming…
What this petubers do anyway? Most of them are young and I haven't heard anything related to university or just aspire to do more than sit in their asses and hoard animals.
I love how they sit in their high horse about taking care of their animals but we know your daddy or mommy help them when they cant.
And they will probably deal with their pets once YouTube stop paying.
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Happy tails and leopard gecko are friendly?
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Sorry late to the party. Is he serious with these photos or are they meant to be a joke lmfao
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For real who is hiring this guy to model things?
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I’ve seen leopard gecko on maddies and pickles on leopard geckos. Are they all friends? I think you’re just reaching. >>635212
And yes yes they do, imagine how many animals they actually have!!
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I swear this is all she does when she’s not stuck up someone’s ass trying to be relevant.
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This bitch is crazy
You're reading too far into my comment. I just said I've only been on HT's livestream twice (to be fair it was actually her video game stream on her firelilly account) and saw someone named LG. Even said it could have been a coincidence or someone else. I didn't imply anything.>>635537
God damn it em too soon, just remove yourself from this pettuber group already.
I actually think he's super cute. Main reason I subscribed. Cute pets and cute guy, be still my heart lol
Different people like different things, but I see the appeal. Shame about his pet care though. Clearly looking good isn't everything…
other than the light bulb shaped head i dont see much similarity either>>635537
its hilarious how far up tylers ass maddie is. her profile picture is of tyler with herself in the background.
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Not long. This is her reasoning, apparently. Always an excuse.
Also the fish in her video looked young (like his full colours weren't even on display) I would have guessed only a few months (6 at most). He wasn't even that big… it's possible he was runty, but then why would he be bred from?
I'm betting he died because his tank wasn't cycled… so ammonia poisoning. It can take a while and be progressive… we didn't see any pictures of him going forward, so I bet he deteriorated slowly from that first video.
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Couldn't find anything else of interest in her social media about her betta fish (no pictures or mentions since she deleted the video in Feb), but I did see this in her bathing pets video. Not sure what her deal with feet is.
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Also this. Okay, Taylor. /s
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Tyler and Maddie are at a reptile expo. I wonder how many impulse buys they'll make.
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Was watching a Dav Kaufman video and noticed this. Danny being creepy as always.
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At least one viewer is smarter than Pickles….Little Lori is too busy blowing sunshine up her butt to realize that this video was a waste of time without a thermometer…
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So acting was toxic, pettube was toxic, lolcow was toxic…maybe you're the toxic one, Em.
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Literally acting out a ClickHole video unironically
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Just like why?? Does this group of tubers just run out of ideas so they put themselves or their animals in ridiculous situations.
Marlene mcchoen needs adding to this thread.
She claims to be a parrot expert, has lost a few of her parrots over the years to them escaping and flying away, constantly sexually frustrates her plucking cockatoo - jersey. Constantly makes attempts to get famous, and is now bawling her eyes out all over Instagram because she lost her moustache parakeet, but suddenly has a “rescued” Amazon that’s appeared out of nowhere.
She has a macaw. Currently 2 amazons, a galah cockatoo, an umbrella cockatoo, an African grey, a moustache parakeet and some finches. https://youtu.be/xwY3dkDCJuAhttps://www.instagram.com/marlenemccohen
Birds fly out it happens. However, why does she not mention how her bird got lost? The whole video is basically 'my bird is missing, i'm going to cry, i'm so sad, my birds are sad'.
Surely if your bird is missing you might tell people how to recognise him/attract his attention? I mean, I understand her crying but it seems a bit staged.
Why do all these pettubers always bother their reptiles when their shedding, or bother their pets in general when they're clearly uncomfortable?>>637776
Steff, based on prior "Meet my pets" videos, has more or less than 100 animals(I'm taking in consideration animal deaths, animals she gives away, and animals she constantly "recuses", buys, or receives from people), and in this video Steff has shown 21 animals that she's never shown, add that to the 6 fish she "rescued", and based on the ending of the video she has more to show, AND she has said she wants more animals in the future.
I'm tempted to do what some other anon did with Happy Tails and keep a chart with all the animals she owns cause this is getting to be too much.
Checked this video out of curiosity because of >>637812
Skip forward to her holding her pigeon like it's an item, not looking at it's face (pigeon blinks nervously
) and pets it for the camera. I was trying to see how someone can have around 120 pets and it seems she thinks of them as items she's collecting and not as family members.
I was also considering going through her videos and making a chart, but watching her is insufferable - she acts like a sassy black woman with her fried cabbage hair, while messing around with her poor animals that seem mostly terrified, I’ve owned ducks in the past - rehabilitated & released 3 of them… 10 years ago and raised a Russian duck & sent it to a sanctuary when it started attacking my Yorkshire terrier (7 years ago) , ducks are messy animals, they shit A LOT, and their shit is like green water, it’s not a small amount either, it splashes, the Russian ducks shit used to spread out over a square ft, easily, they are rapey animals & a horny male duck will go for anything with a pulse, so I can only imagine how her house is with a duck roaming around the house, and does she not seem to realise the risk of the cats; Attacking, or being attacked by the ducks? What is this woman thinking.
Also, handling her reptile & putting a motherfucking harness on him while he’s shedding?! WHAT?! I am outraged by her. >>637501
Marlene seems more bothered about the “wild amazon rescue” she found now.
She’s gone off the subject of Picasso and onto the subject of the Amazon.
Not to mention she impulse bought a kitten a few days ago while going to shelters and looking for Picasso.
It is a giant fuckstorm and a slippery slope to go down.
Owning 3 birds & 2 dogs myself, (I refuse to take on any more - my dogs are both old & on their way out unfortunately) - i can tell you, 7 PARROTS, multiple finches, 2 dogs and a kitten is too much.
She was also hanging out with Caroline Von petzholdt who was helping search for Picasso, anything for a bit of extra fame I guess? (Caroline leeching off Marlene)
I have 2 parrots & a budgie, it’s not that bad. (My family are always home and so am I)
The thing with Marlene is - she fucks off on holiday, works full time as an actress, & is generally always busy. Owning 6-7 parrots, that have the cognitive age of a 4-6 year old. Each..
Leaving them out of their cages when no one is home, leaves them open to fighting. 3 of them are not flighted that I know of - and her macaw has a history of aggression towards people & other birds - macaws are BIG BIRDS, he could do some damage.
On top of that there is a video of her dog “playing” with the bird, dog saliva - and human saliva are not good for birds, - the dog actually snapped its teeth at the bird & meant it in one of the videos, I will post the link here later today, but there is 2 videos I know of where the dogs have shown aggression to the birds.
I’m not saying birds & dogs shouldn’t be kept together as pets in the same house, I am just saying - if the dogs show ANY sign of aggression to the birds, they should be removed from the same room as the birds immediately - because either one could get hurt badly. -
On the subject of parrot ownership what do you think of Flock Talk?
She has two parrots, a parrotlet and a green cheek conure
multiple reptiles, amphibians, birds and bugs all in one room. He takes out one frog out of the water with his bare hands to hold for the camera.
He says he has school and work ontop of his animals.
Hes planning on adding more animals to his collection and wants to breed as well.
maybe the first or second time a bird flies away it’s understandable, but this is the fourth time that i know of that she’s had a bird fly away.
she had one of her first cockatiels fly away when she was younger, she got picasso because her other moustache parakeet flew away, and rocky (the macaw) has flown away at least once before (maybe twice if my brains not misremembering stuff).
she’s a fucking shitshow. >>638362
flocktalk actually has a lot of good recommendations and pretty good cages.
as far as i’m aware, she only has two parrotlets, zeeby and mia, and one green cheek conure, newt? correct me if i’m wrong but they’re the only ones i can find on a basic search of her social media.
they’re easier to care for than marlene or caroline’s parrots because they’re smaller, don’t need as big cages and use smaller toys, but she gives them WAY more enrichment than either of them do.
her care seems good, her advice is sound, and all her birds i’ve seen look happy & healthy.
don’t have any obvious problems with her.
She really is a shitshow, she doesn’t look after the birds properly, she lets them free roam the house and was talking about her galah cockatoo ATTACKING her macaw - who has a history of aggression towards other birds.
She is extremely lucky the macaw didn’t kill the galah, one bite from Rocky and Vinny would be history.
She’s also lucky Rocky hasn’t attacked the kitten she’s got, apparently Vinny is holding a grudge, but does she realise that cat is going to get much bigger than the bird and much more capable of doing damage since she leaves her birds, dog and cat all free roaming? It’s not like she can supervise 24/7, I get that entirely, there’s two of the most, I can’t think of the word, things that you can do as a bird owner, and that is leave your birds unsupervised and out of a cage all the time, which is dangerous for the bird, or lock them in a cage all the time, which again, is dangerous, but rather than physically dangerous, it’s dangerous to the birds mental health, she works a lot and is away for days at a time for events, holidays etc, which I am not saying bird owners can’t take a holiday once in a while, but with that many birds?…
Oh and don’t even get me started on her amazon. She “couldn’t afford it”, so she got YouTube to buy her it. Yet she can afford to look after multiple birds, afford a new cage and toys? And of course - she bought more toys for her other birds while she was shopping for her amazon, and bird toys are not cheap! A medium wood block toy suitable for an African grey/amazing is about £15, and that’s online, in the pet shops they’re more expensive! Pleading poverty then going ahead and openly spending a shit tonne of money after she got the bird, completely rubbed me the wrong way. It’s not like she hasn’t got the audience big enough to have a loving family adopt the bird, she just had to have it for herself, like a collector completing their collection, hers is exotic birds, hoarder much?
Wow straight up asking the lady if she broke out too, that's just pure shit. It may be the question that's most important, but I'm sure there are more considerate and respectful ways to make sure that the person is healthy/not in danger to themselves or someone else. The fact that she also put it on the channel even though the lady seems to be at least somewhat respectful… god she's absolute shit.
There's people in the comment calling her out and her stans have basically just disregarded it as ''well, you have experience with this and that's the only reason you're upset''
Ik this isn't about her pet care in general, but holy shit.
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A few of Emzotic’s enclosures from her feeding all of my pets video. Top left is her extremely small ball python cage. She said her ball python gets stressed in anything bigger but maybe that because she doesn’t add any kind of plants or other clutter, and doesn’t cover up any sides of the glass. Second is her bearded dragon’s cage, she didn’t take the wood chips and calcisand out even after her sponsored video. And the bottom is her new blue tongue skink. She said it’s only like that for quarantine but you can do way better than that even in quarantine, at least a bigger enclosure. More likely it’s because the skink was an impulse buy.
(never owned snakes/dont know much about feeding)
was it okay for them to be swallowing the substrate when she fed them?
also, she didnt show Bess her Burmese Python - wonder why
Something about this girl irks me, just this video in general, has bothered me, I don't know if it's because she's forced open an egg sac and stressed out the mother spider, for the sake of youtube views or what. I haven't a clue, opinions?
"deadly tarantula girl"
She pulled the egg sac at 28 days, the recommended is 30 (at least from what I found). The process of that generally depends on preferences but naturally leaving the mum to do her thing seems to be the better thing for survival.
I found that it's better to take the eggs out because it doesn't require for turning (? not sure on this) but also because it allows for even heat distribution.
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Copied from HT thread. MNG randomly calling HT out?
I don't know anything about spiders, but with the way the mother was trying to keep her from taking the sack, I definitely feel like it would have been better to leave it. Made me very uneasy. If the mother was doing just fine, let her do her thing. She should have either taken them out immediately or left the sack in to birth naturally. Pick a route, don't leave it in and then rip it away from her at the last second.
Oh shoot I forgot to sage. Deleted and reposting, but that doesn't undo the bump. Sorry.
Not to mention mumma spiders also have a good habit of changing their minds and just eating the egg sacks.
I’ve had it happen unfortunately and a pissed of lady spider while you take the sack away is much better than thousands of deaths.
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Taylor’s been bitching on Twitter about how Em is profiting off bullying her because she mentions it like once? I haven’t actually watched the video
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Such a sad situation but she's milking it like no tomorrow.
She actually doesn't have her wolfdog Lorne anymore, she gave her away because she had temporarily roommates who apparently weren't safe around him.
She also has had and has gotten a lot of animals over the years who have just disappeared never to be seen again. She does do some rescue work but some of these animals were supposed to be permanent additions but just vanished over the months.
I had to unsubscribe from Marlene. I thought she was someone that genuinely cared about her parrots and spreading responsible bird care.
Now she's doing collabs with that horrible bird woman, impulse buying animals, and posting clickbait videos about her birds 'attacking' people. Never been so disappointed with a pettuber.
Yeah, Emz got that custom cage sponsorship. TND is probably frothing at the mouth while she compares Emz compensation to her own.
I thought it was funny how Emz brags about the aviary being ~custom made~ for her, but you can literally buy the exact same aviary on their site.
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At least Taylor has makeup on…looks like even that Pickles chick too! What’s up with the rest? It takes too long to apply? Natural is okay for some, but the girl on the left, Tori, is it? Makeup please.
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Tori goes with and without makeup on her channel too, she has pretty severe rosacea.
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Tyler got his first tattoo done by shitty ‘celeb tattoo artist’ Romeo Lacoste that has done all of Taylor’s tattoos what’s a bet it looks like crap once its healed
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Aaaand this one, with the hanger onerers who still aren’t considered cool/worthy enough part of the ‘clique’. It’s just like high school.
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So they weren’t allowed to bring their animals but they had ‘ambassador animals’ there?? How is that any different??
its because pettubers only see their own animals as accessories, and would rather stress them out at an event for entertainment.
strange how all the pettubers attacked brian for bringing animals to events, but when its the pettube clique its all gucci.
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same anon. the reptiles are from a rescue that they didnt even bother to credit. probably for the best since exploiting rescue animals for a youtube meet-up is ngl.
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Did em get a new rabbit?