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>>>/ot/2577801Discuss art and related topics such as:
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art (do not shill about your ai trained models key words on a prompt do not make you a artist)
-Do not post your art to be reviewed here use the designated /m/ thread
-Screencaps are necessary while talking about milk
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Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon
op artist: Evgenia Antipova
Useful youtube channels:
https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2>where to find arthttps://www.wikiart.org/eshttps://artvee.com/>other useful siteshttps://film-grab.com/https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawinghttps://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheelhttps://freephotomuscle.com/MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND. also check e-hentai and bilibili
Frequently Asked Questions
>Where can I download brushes and CSP assets?Resources such as /dbag/ are easy to find online.
>How do I schedule my art?Professional artist's schedules are easy to find online, however these may be unsustainable long term and it might be better to use them for references for you to build your own rather than attempting to follow them to a T.
>Is drawing furry or porn profitable? Will it give me clout?It can be, but the market is incredibly saturated and coomers and furries already have artists they want to commission. You will be competing against thousands of people, consider what makes you stand out and if you really want to sink time and effort into something you may not enjoy even a little.
>Questions regarding AIBoth the AI thread in /m/ or the AI Debate thread might be more suitable.
>What is this style called/who is this artist?Use reverse image search (yandex, tineye, etc.) or the Help Me Find thread.
>What are your thoughts on…?Look through older artist salts or give context.
No. 2602431
>>2602363What events in the west could people even sell their own doujins/comics in? It’s so annoying how there’s no comiket equivalent in America. My country doesn’t really care about comics, it’s mostly all capeshit and im jealous that japan is a smallish country so people can just travel to comiket and sell with ease.
The states are big so people would have to take flights often, like to the other side of the country
No. 2602433
>>2602384It's ok, anon. I made the last thread since nobody stepped up and that was the theme all the ones before had, so that's what I chose.
As long as it's art I don't think anybody minds what threadpic you use.
No. 2602511
>>2602465We really need more online comic events like shortbox but unfortunately the creator when on a narcissistic powertrip and blacklists anyone or anything from making similar online events like it. Cartoonist coop made a similar event, but they stopped posting on Twitter and is exclusively on bluesky now because they thought Twitter was too
toxic and nazi filled, which definitely cuts visibility. Bluesky is so fucking dead and a cringe troon friendly hugbox where they crucify you if you’re not ultra woke.
Western online comic scene is basically non existent aside from shortbox. Not everyone can afford to travel to and table in conventions so it’s really unfortunate
No. 2603066
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Do any nonas feel such intense art style envy sometimes? I feel like im going insane because I want to have someone’s artstyle so much, I could stare in awe at the details in their work but it’s not really an easy artstyle to copy because they obviously have knowledge of a lot of fundamentals that my peabrain could never comprehend. When I look at my own art I feel so much disgust and shame, I’ve been so desperate that I seriously considered just training ai on their art so I could create artworks I want in their style. I know that’s bad so I won’t do it, but I fantasize about having that power.
I’ve tried looking up how master studies are done and have tried it myself, but I still don’t feel confident in trying to draw an original piece by myself, like the skills and tricks they do don’t transfer, I keep thinking, “how would they draw this?” and when I try attempting that, I fail because it just doesn’t look as good as they would do it.
Do I still need to keep doing master studies? I kinda hate doing it because I have no idea what their process is actually like and really wish they had a speedpaint video so I could organically create artworks in the exact way that they do it, I think that’s why im never satisfied with my own results. What’s the point of master studies if you’re not doing it the way the artist made it? I feel like it will lead you down the wrong path instead.
Picrel is what I’m talking about, you know DAMN well that this is not how the artist rendered this piece but unfortunately the only thing we’re able to see is the finished piece, and not the process. What did their sketch look like, what base colors did they use, what did their shading layer look like, what kind of brush did they use to shade and refine, what color adjustment layers did they use, etc.
I don’t feel 100% confident in doing master studies unless I know all of those things.
No. 2603077
>>2602896>it seems like the nonas talking about doujin circles are implying some sort of mangaka situation in which everyone collaborates on a single workYeah and IMO I don't really have confidence in doing something like that with people I'm not already familiar with, because there can be a lot of circumstance or personality incompatibility that could lead to the workload being unbalanced or things just not working out. Kind of like that Persona 5 zine that turned out to be a huge shituation when their budget person spent all the money on fucking gacha games a couple years ago. I'm going to question the personality online people who reach out to random internet strangers to partner up on projects. It makes more sense that doujin groups usually start in college clubs or with high school friends
>>2603066>I don’t feel 100% confident in doing master studies unless I know all of those thingsUnfortunately that is not the right mindset to have when doing art. Perfectionism and waiting for the "right time" to draw instead of letting this knowledge build as you make art just leads to procrastination and being too self critical to make anything
No. 2603151
>>2603066doing master studies without knowing what exactly you're copying, how, and why, is kind of a waste of time imo (speaking from personal experience).
you should probably take a break first. then, if you want to do some studies again, try learning some theory about what you want to copy from a certain style (like colors for example, learn in general what makes colors work in compositions and what doesn't from other sources like videos or books) and then try to analyze your reference based on that knowledge, only then copy. i feel like that'll be way more productive.
but also with studies like this, perfect 1 to 1 similarity isn't necessary. what's far more important is your understanding of the method and ability to confidently use it on your own, otherwise you'll never be able to apply what you learned in your original works.
hope this makes sense
No. 2603179
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Imagine having this talent and wasting it on troonshit
No. 2603327
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Museum salt but I wonder if the National Museum of American Illustration is having money problems because they sent a email out that they’re selling a few Norman Rockwell and Leyendecker brother originals to raise money for renovations. They’ve been closed for renovations for 5+ years now
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>>2603327Also the price difference between Rockwell and Leyendecker originals is pretty wild. I wonder if they’re unaware of how popular Leyendecker is with millennials and zoomers
No. 2603339
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>>2603066Why do gen alphas want to copy Matcha so badly?
No. 2603383
>>2603066you're failing to learn anything because you haven't first learned how to observe and break down a piece and also lack a good foundation and knowledge in technical skills
Master studies (and general studies, which sounds like you should be doing more of anyway to get a better grasp on things) are helpful because the process of trying to recreate the piece you've chosen should also be an exercise in breaking down the final result of said piece– you don't need to know its exact production, you need to understand the
end product. The background info can be nice to have, but should not be the focus. Your examples of 'what x did they use' are all things you should be able to guess once you have a decent grasp on both technical skills and art programs, no speedpaint required. There's no trick you cant figure out, and the destination really matters more than the journey to it.
Style studies are different and more intensive, as it's less about using a single existing piece as training wheels and more so an exercise in breaking down and mapping out both the macro and micro aspect of a style, ime meaning copious notes and breakdowns rather than a handful of finished pieces.
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>>2598971didn't know her before trooning out but i REALLY with bixels wasn't a degenerate tif who's into bdsm. some of her stuff shows how much potential she really has.
No. 2603916
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i feel like it's such a massive debuff to have a non anime or realism style in a sea of anime artwork in fandom circles online. my style has been poisoned by anime the past few years and i'm desperately trying to shake it off but i notice that my "true" style that i really love and have fine-tuned to my tastes gets crickets in my social circles compared to people i know who do standard uninspired anime girls, manga lines, and basic ass coloring and shading. when i do moeblob shit is when i get the most praise but the inauthenticity kills me. probably my unmedicated anxiety talking but it is so demotivating to see people with derivative artwork get praised for their "style" when you can see exactly what anime they stole it from. are we just here to suffer
No. 2603931
>>2603916Chasing after social media likes and that kind of attention is probably just terrible for you. Pretty much every social media famous artist I'm aware of has the same trajectory, they start strong but atrophy and go to shit chasing the algo and all the soul gets stripped from their work. If your objective is to acquire the proverbial bag, go for it I guess but if you want to make things that are unique or different they're probably never going to be as marketable. It might help you to learn to differentiate 'job' art from the kind of stuff you make because you love it.
Niche audiences and artists are where it's at, as far as I'm concerned though.
No. 2604155
>>2604118i feel like every kid internet thing boils down to having something over their peers in some way, like kinning, self shipping/yumeshipping, faking mental illness, the extreme oversharing of everything on their profiles
kek i saw a 14 yr old put Anemic under BPD in her caard once. idk if it makes them feel like more important/in control or whatever
No. 2604169
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>>2604118I kind of understand the no profile pic rule, but i think the rest is because of PC culture. They are afraid of accidentally interacting with terfs or "bad people" when really they should just be happy anyone interacts with their art. They aren't your friends, merely observers. Little do they know my tranny hating ass is liking all their shit anyways, kek.
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>>2603066I feel exactly this way about Diesel2b, her artwork is amazing
No. 2604358
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>you can't spam likes and move on with your day you have to buy my art
Why does everything have to go through the monetization filter, it's so tiring
No. 2604422
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Nonas, is it a good idea for me to only post on neocities. I'm done with posting on twitter, instagram and bluesky. I want to plan to make my own neocities art gallery. I dont care about gaining likes and followers, I just want to post my art in peace for others to see without people interacting with me.
But, all of my favourite artists are on main social media platforms, so i just make a lurking account to follow them even though i sometimes get blocked by them which can be so fucking frustrating and sad
No. 2604512
>>2604477Mostly happens with asian ones, I have had that happen to me before. Sometimes they go thru their follower list and remove what they seem "spam", also they're pretty distrusting so sometimes they remove accounts that seem innactive in case they're block-evading, an account to repost their art elsewhere, etc.
But
>>2604422 , I kinda fixed it by filling my lurking account. I simply RT stuff and made my bio "[Age], [gender], I only want to watch. I don't talk, please don't follow me". That way they know I'm a real person, I haven't had any block ever since. Maybe you can machine-translate the bio to JP as well to be sure.
No. 2604635
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Why can't Meisharan just admit that he has a fetish on fat woman instead of pretending his obese Nanaco girl is some groundbreaking fat representation? I kinda suspect that this artist is a tif because moids don't care about body positivity and giving characters made up sexualities
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>>2604643This artist claims to be a man
No. 2604658
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>>2603066>Do any nonas feel such intense art style envy sometimes? I think that's natural; we're monkeys.
>they obviously have knowledge of a lot of fundamentals that my peabrain could never comprehend. I think the answer to all of your questions forever regarding this are related to understanding fundamentals. Once you do, you can understand what to drop and what to keep.
>Do I still need to keep doing master studies? Yes. I think the term "master studies" locks a lot of people into believing the studies have to be done a specific way, and that can't be further from the truth. We don't take into consideration how cells divided in order to draw a puppy or kitten, do we? We just try to emulate what we see. This process of studying may take years, but along the way you will learn countless things. Art is a slow as fuck trade, definitely.
>I kinda hate doing it because I have no idea what their process is actually like and really wish they had a speedpaint video so I could organically create artworks in the exact way that they do it, I think that’s why im never satisfied with my own results.Another issue. Who gives a shit how they do it; the artist themselves could have dogshit work flow and a million layers that makes sense to no one, go outside to chain smoke, and then come back to shit their pants while they eat something disgusting. Hell, it could be a moid fapping to what they're drawing. We don't need any of that! It's about how you can utilize other tools to achieve a similar effect. Otherwise, what
is the difference between just training an AI? As artists ,we all have something I like to call a "stink". No matter what you do, your stink will be left on the art, and some people will capitlize on what their stink is, and that becomes a style.
>What’s the point of master studies if you’re not doing it the way the artist made it? I feel like it will lead you down the wrong path instead.There is no "wrong" way to draw. If anything, the "wrong" way makes it your own. There are alternative methods, tedious methods, optimal methods (though you've seen how nonas ITT have responded to me posting flower brush gifs upthread kek), questionable methods, etc. Morals are subjective, not objective. You don't have to obey a specific process.
There are also a plethora of tutorials that show you methods to draw certain things. This
is the artist salt thread where we go to talk, but at the same time, if I can offer something, I will try.
My picrel is an example of me doing a quick artist study. I know it isn't as flowery and your picrel, but it's the kind of thing that fascinates me; simplistic but soft moeslop. With fundamentals, it's good to ask questions in case you don't understand, and some people can break it down better for you. I would recommend
>>>/m/485635if you want help with art. It isn't quite the same as critique, but if you have tutorials you want posted, I can help you find them without shitting up this thread or the critique thread.
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why do so many tifs follow me on af like go away you weirdo, aahhh
No. 2605419
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Nonnies, what do you think will be the next big trend in art after anime? I feel like the vast, vast majority of artists, even ones that get into art colleges, started from drawing animanga and are still heavily inspired by it (either that or furfaggotry), it'd be really interesting to consider what will be produced in the future, I have no idea how we can still start bringing unique visual aspects to anime, it feels like beating a dead horse and the flaccid moeblob inspired pixiv look has been standing headstrong for decades by now. what regions do you think younger artists will start being inspired by artistically? do you think western cartoon styled art will overtake popularity, do you think the anime influence on art will ever subside, etc?
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>>2605419I don’t think anime will ever completely go away, especially since older styles are getting popular with gen z/alpha again. Anime’s existed for a LONG time, no reason it would stop now. But, I’ve noticed an uptick in paswg/invader zim/terada tera type of stylization. Unfortunately it’s almost never well done though, so I kinda hope it doesn’t go anywhere..
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>>2605419Anime style is not going away. Western animation companies are going to continue imitating anime or outsourcing their ideas to asian studios completely. Digital weeb artists are going to keep imitating chinese lighting anesthetics and there's probably going to be more interest in making 2D art with 3D programs like blender a la Louie Zhong.
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>>2605436>invader Zim style I'm beyond, BEYOND shocked that gen z hasn't latched more into aping from Johnen Vasquez, esp with tifbait like Johnny the homicidal maniac, it was surprisingly mostly millennials on tumblypoo like pan pizzagate who stole from him. I actually really wish that his style and similar ones like Pon and Zi more, it;d make a lot of sense esp for Brujoari because Johnen Vasquez and similar emogoth artists from latam is ACTUAL Hispanic heritage from the 2000s that she could be prepping, but noo she picked Daria out of all things. veering into blog posting but I'm a zoomie and some of my first actual forrays into drawing was being inspired by Johnen Vasquez and mlaatr, and fucking bleedman… I was traumatized for a lack of a better word.
No. 2605524
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>>2605491nta but anime basically has only really been influential on young artists in the west for like 25 years or so (ofc anime has been getting localized since nearly the dawn of the genre, but it just didn't stick on artists in the west until the late 90s bc of popular localizations like sailor moon and the internet), before that there was a lot lot more variety of influence, like art noveau which is basically protoanime weebshit being heavily inspired by ukiyo-e. even with the internet and fandom still burgeoning, there was a lot more style diversity origin wise, the Renaissance Disney art style was basically just as popular with artists as anime back then, yet is completely unrepresentented now, along with other western toon inspo like the grip looney toons had on furfags. I just wonder what will it take for a new art movement to connect with a younger generation the way anime did for millennials and got completely normalized with zoomers, there's a certain delicate dance between detail and stylization that hooked me onto anime art as a kid, I feel like anime is just a perfect execution of that thesis that I don't know what other medium could stupify me and the general audience in a similar fashion, but it's fun to speculate on.
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>>2605539nta kekk My thoughts exactly.
>>2605419I think the issue comes into what is attributed to anime. Panty & Stocking? Kiba? Naruto? Sailor Moon? Ghost in the Shell? In my opinion, it's all the same thing as cartoons; Not Realism. We'll have offshoots, but the simplification of realism will never go away, and so long as fiction exists, people will want to make things dedicated to it, but not have to do an entire mural or study anatomy to do so. Alternatively, the opposite is true — a lot of JJBA fanart I see is on par with Renaissance artwork kek.
No. 2605847
>>2605539americans came sooo late to anime. In europe and latam it was already mainstream for a long ass time, even when my mother was a child she liked anime, and there were a lot of euro-japanese coproductions that were massively popular (like sherlok hound, david the gnome, moomins,Vicky the Viking , etc)
>>2605487Johnen Vasquez's comics would be too
problematic for gen z
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>>2605524Anime was popular in the west from at least the early 80s and artists imitating the
style can be seen with things like the original ninja turtles comics and ninja high school which borrows heavily from urusei yatsura. You can also see influence from akira, dirty pair, and even hyper violent anime like wicked city.