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>>>/ot/2554367Discuss art and related topics such as:
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art (do not shill about your ai trained models key words on a prompt do not make you a artist)
-Do not post your art to be reviewed here use the designated /m/ thread
-Screencaps are necessary while talking about milk
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WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon
op artist: Evgenia Antipova
Useful youtube channels:
https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2>where to find arthttps://www.wikiart.org/eshttps://artvee.com/>other useful siteshttps://film-grab.com/https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawinghttps://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheelhttps://freephotomuscle.com/MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND. also check e-hentai and bilibili
Frequently Asked Questions
>Where can I download brushes and CSP assets?Resources such as /dbag/ are easy to find online.
>How do I schedule my art?Professional artist's schedules are easy to find online, however these may be unsustainable long term and it might be better to use them for references for you to build your own rather than attempting to follow them to a T.
>Is drawing furry or porn profitable? Will it give me clout?It can be, but the market is incredibly saturated and coomers and furries already have artists they want to commission. You will be competing against thousands of people, consider what makes you stand out and if you really want to sink time and effort into something you may not enjoy even a little.
>Questions regarding AIBoth the AI thread in /m/ or the AI Debate thread might be more suitable.
>What is this style called/who is this artist?Use reverse image search (yandex, tineye, etc.) or the Help Me Find thread.
>What are your thoughts on…?Look through older artist salts or give context.
No. 2577859
>>2577851It only happened because of some self hating troon snitch that tattletaled on tumblr. Who knows if that gendie is still lurking here, I did suggest that nonas figure out a new tag to identify themselves with earlier before the event started but nothing happened
>>2577852Yeah that person probably thought it was a flattering compliment but personally I wouldn’t really appreciate some self hating misogynist complimenting me like that. Kinda wish I could tell her to fuck off kek
No. 2578078
>>2577846Oh it's gotta be. My schizoid take is that the mods are stalking these threads and found out some (2) nonas are early prepping by drawing pics ahead of time, so they just "oopsie daisied" the images suspiciously close to the opening time of Artfight.
If that is the case then kek. Dumbasses have no idea how YCHs work, and that we can just set shit up early
anyway. (it is not the case)
>>2577851Yes. I wasn't part of the ban wave since my paranoid wouldn't let me connect my online identity to the site
anyway. I just want to draw people free shit without them thinking I'm open for requests.
>>2577860>pre-summerWhere have all the nonas gone… (BETTING the brujo containment thread kek)
>>2577862Better paranoid than careless, I guess. I was thinking about making a cow OC but I don't know if they'd automatically hone in on it because of how recently it'd be posted.
I mainly use this imageboard to talk to semi-normie women, since I already get involved with so many fucking gendies on a regular basis. The fact that I don't wanna be is considered a crime is insane.>>2577944I draw, and I'm paranoid!
No. 2578118
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>looking for tutorial on art topic
>Mr. Beast editing style
worst part is when it has useful info
No. 2578119
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what the fuck is this shit
No. 2578348
>>2578119the ghost one is so cute. i don't get the point of the rest cuz, who
really owns the oc's design here?
>>2577851the ban wave gave me a bad taste in my mouth too but i still look forward to the event because there really isn't nothing like it online, unless you make a circle of artist friends and… in this economy, really? i also want my oc children to get some love so i'm hoping fingers crossed to get noticed by some really good artists.
side note, is artfight good to translate the attention you get there to the socmed you post art to the rest of the year?
>>2578228> I do start to stress a little about my art skills being too shitty and I worry that I can't churn out art fast enough to revenge every attack that I getthis is me! this year will be my first time participating, so i'm doing it as a test to my discipline. gotta take advantage of unemployment until it lasts.
No. 2578362
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How do you nonnas improve your traditional art skills? For example: what is the best technique for coloring with pencils? Or shadow with normal black pencils?
Did you improve independently (self help book and videos) or did someone help you in a art class or one on one? (Or maybe both)
No. 2578383
>>2578362>How do you nonnas improve your traditional art skills? I recently got into acrylics. Like,
hardcore got into instead of elementary school tier enjoying myself putting pigment on canvas. Truly the key is to look up stuff on youtube. Just dedicate yourself to looking up random video made by people that are like Bob Ross but better at explaining things and copy what they do.
>Did you improve independently (self help book and videos) or did someone help you in a art class or one on one? (Or maybe both)That's a tricky question. It's more a matter of
>self help via using my own time to find tutorials made by other peopleI don't consider that "self-taught", personally, but that's what I'm doing and have been doing haha. You learn a lot by digging through tumblr archives too.
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>>2578392I've always had a gripe with the shape language principle and how limiting it is
No. 2578431
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>>2578424It can be less gay if used by a not-retard I think
No. 2578685
>>2577846There's no question. A lot of nonnas I know, myself included, like to do ahead prep for AF. These fuckers KNOW very well what they're up to and don't want nonnas to be ahead of the game.
>>2578162Yes. I'm able to click some and load them up.
It just makes it a bit more tedious, but it is what it is.
>>2577851I'm gonna do it but only because my mutuals are too. More fun when you have friends to do it with.
I'm not going as hard as last year though. Last year I went full-on apeshit and only got 3 revenges for every 7 attacks I completed.
Not really sure how nonnas can find one another though when there's some snitchy tranny lurking about.
>>2578431I like this a lot, nonna.
>>2577867PYW?!
Very based btw.
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Of course they put “transphobia” before racism, sexism, and homophobia. Sigh…
No. 2578948
>>2578716very telling of the userbase and staff. most of them are rich white kids that haven't really struggled a second in their lives but since they have a ~spicy~ identity they think their suffering is above them all and that's why they take troonphobia so much deeply than actual bigotry and hatred, they haven't been actually discriminated against… maybe this very obvious fact is better fit for another thread, kek, but it seriously pisses me off how they put troony loony stuff as the #1 thing on everything.
honestly? this makes me more eager to participate, because i'm le evil
terf having fun on their pwecious kweerio website and they probably would be very upset if they knew that.
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>>2578424Shape language autists are such a cancer, these ugly designs never look good and instead look amateurish and corporate. They think shape design is the only thing that matters, so as long as you make your character round like a balloon or square like a fridge its clothes or hair doesnt matter. There is a very popular youtube video on youtube that preaches about the importance of shape language, meanwhile picrel is them ''fixing'' a character. The ''improved'' version is the right one that looks like a tranny btw. I dont know how these retards manage to fuck up such a simple concept as shape design, which is meant to enhance a good design. The average townie from the PPG or My life as a teen robot looks 10 times more interesting than that shit.
No. 2579553
>>2579547I think the style on the right
could work in a cartoony, Psychonauts-ish kind of way, but this execution is bad. The design became way more boring, too.
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Am I crazy or is this very obviously traced/using AI??
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>>2579547i keked so hard when they showed this reedit after emphasizing how conflicting shapes shouldnt be in a certain shaped character kek this is supposed to be a femme fatale character yet they chose a bos for her face? it shouldve looked like this
No. 2579588
>>2578424I blame the obsession with shape language on Tumblr back in the day. Everyone was going through an anti-anime phase and same face syndrome was a popular topic. It turned into those Homestuck character line ups where everyone tried to have the most unique headcanon for the characters (the female characters always conveniently still had a small cute face and hourglass figure though until drawing them like hulking troons became popular) which then infected every other fandom
You can always tell who's really phoning in shape language in their art, there's definitely people who understand it well but I feel a lot use it as a crutch to avoid learning their fundies
No. 2579591
Ok so nonna, about erotica:
I like to draw erotica/sexual themes because for me erotica or sexual stuff is either animalistic as in raw action (esp. nudity, I like to draw nudity as the simply state of existing), connection for two persons or simply having fun. Sex and flirting in fun but of course, me drawing erotica gets me exposed to countless moid that like my characters. I only have girl ocs and of course my public pages are public to get engagement but how I can get my erotica art less appealing to moids? So far what I noticed is:
>Moids like embarrassed or surprised situations like uwaah! You walked in me changing! Oh no, this monster is going to fuck me!
>Moids like characters looking at them, not complicity. They like titty character staring at them or at the genitalia of other males
>If it's yuri, they like both girls looking at the viewer
>In straight fucking, only the cock is needed, they don't like to see another moid's face
>Casual nudity has to include a random fetish for them, that's over ly exaggerated (ex. a nude girl but she has weirdly detailed feet)
>Of course, ahegao or weird turtle faces, sweat clouds, overly blushed areas
So far these are my points about what they like but doing a complete 180 on this stuff, puts me into tumblr style, weird tif art. So far my reach got slightly better when I drew confident women that do not look at the viewer but I wonder if anynonna here has some other tips?
No. 2579615
>>2579606And? Yes, I want my miniscule niche, what's strange about it? My question is: how do I make erotica (which is different than straight up mindless porn but I guess that if you cannot tell the two apart, then you probably don't understand what I do) appealing to women or towards the female gaze more? I don't care about popular shit because I already do popular shit under a different name and I know what the average girl/woman on the internet likes, I want to know how to NOT to appeal to men without going full tumblrina/twitter art because not only I don't want to do ugly shit (I refuse to give moids pretty things), I don't want to learn a new artstyle. Is it really that bad trying to fight off this shit? I don't care about how big my public is gonna be or niches, I'm here to get some opinions about patterns and stuff that men don't like so they would fuck off, they aren't even useful but if I block them, I can say bye bye to my career and my side gig, I'm also a crypto so I know what I'm going through, I just want a more curated space.
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Actual question; why are skinny and tall/elongated drawings of humans universally seen as more attractive? As soon as it's any level of stylized/cartoony like fashion drawings or in anime it just looks better to people if the character is skinny and super tall. Usually what in reality would be comically long legs like picrel is just accepted as normal and attractive. It seems weird because people don't usually yearn for comically long legs the same as they're into big boobs or whatever. Like proportionally so much of the body is put into the legs… idk I'm definitely overthinking it.
No. 2579622
>>2579619>anon doesnt know about men into femdomoh poor innocent
nonny. Men literally pay women to insult them.
No. 2579627
>>2579622Kek, was just about to say that. Unfortunately what makes one moid go into a homicidal rage gets another off, or makes him get off
and homicidal rage.
No. 2579629
>>2579626Some come here yes, that's the ones she will never get rid off, but spending my time selling art to horny moids most of them don't want feminist stuff they get
triggered, it's funny.
No. 2579630
>>2579627Not only that but most women into self-sexualization are super mega pickmes who would cancel
nonny at the mere hint of misandry. The only way to appeal to women is drawing pastel pink moeblobs with big fat tits like that ugly shit super sonico. But that's also going to attract tons of moids.
No. 2579671
>>2579625Yeah I also noticed that men don't like women just existing out of their ahegao fantasies kek
>>2579631I already keep my proportions realistic (or maybe on the more cartoonish style but always balanced because I don't draw realism) but the fact is that they see shit where it isn't. Just like I don't believe in modesty shit, I don't believe in only drawing fridge bodies with a bedsheet would make them scram but since they always rely on fantasy and since I'm not a porn brainrotted moid, I wonder what kills those fantasies without limiting myself. We already limit ourselves too much for moids (in the industry, people told me to not too make bodies too detailed or drawing nipples in general because men would harass irl artists because they would come up and say weird shit at signing sessions like what the fuck lol)
I just really, really like women and I like bodies. I like to allow them to exist in my art in a non pornified way and if you,
>>2579632 , believe that all sexuality or sex is porn then I'm sorry for your sad view of it, if you actually believe that two people having intimacy that's carried on by feelings and mutual attraction is the same as coomslop with titty characters and tentacles, I'm sorry for you. There's a difference in being antiporn (which I am) and being sex negative. Sex is fun, can be a nice moment, can help people discover themselves and that's the vibe I want to give in my drawings, that was my question and you said abloobloo you want to cather to moids ablobloo as if they're the only ones to enjoy sex kek and pretty drawings are not only for men, stop kicking your own box because the differences are there, I just asked how to make them more obivous.
No. 2579673
>>2579666>i did my research>just trust me broyeah sure, your ''research'' holds more weight than the common knowledge that men will fuck anything and especially women they hate just to 'own' them. Men literally make AI porn of hilary clinton and anita sarkeesian.
>>2579671>if you actually believe that two people having intimacy that's carried on by feelings and mutual attraction is the same as coomslop with titty characters and tentacles, I'm sorry for you.If that werent the case you wouldnt be complaining about moids following you and cooming to your totes not porn art. You are stupid if you think men see the beauty in the female porn. Playboy didnt show bush in their magazine until the 80s and even then most centerfold continued to be just naked women. Its still porn. Sorry to burst your bubble but it's the truth. Women who enjoy sex like sexy husbandos, not looking at naked women. I dont know why you are convinced straight women want to look at women in their porn.
(infighting) No. 2579682
>>2579677Again, you keep going on and on about your ''research'' but show no proof of said research. I can say i did research for 20 years to prove the earth is flat and that doesnt make it true unless i can show you objective proof that the earth is flat. It's like you dont realize your supposed research isnt a
valid argument because unless you actually prove it, it means nothing.
(infighting) No. 2579686
>>2579683>women were able to create erotic content just for women that men didn't have access tooNoo
nonny nooo if women in the drawing are not puritans then it's porn and it's always for men noooo because women's naked bodies, no matter the dimensions on how they're portraited, it's always sexual and porny, naked women are only for men nooooo
No. 2579694
>>257969250 shades of grey and other booktok slop exists for self inserters too.
>>2579693>Women who enjoy other women aesthetically existtopkek no, if a moid told he me aeshtetically enjoys men i would call him a fag because he is. If you like looking at sexual pictures of women you are at the very least bisexual. Straight women dont like looking at sexy pics of women.
(derailing) No. 2579709
>>2579703Yeah i can get that, that's why i dont understand what anon means by making porn involving attractive/pretty women that doesnt attract men. If you are adhering to moid aesthetics you are going to attract moids, simple as.
>>2579708Why do you need to project onto women its weird, but ok. Wish women could exist without being sexualized even by supposed 'straight' women.
(derailing) No. 2579711
>>2579702men could draw themselves as hot yaoi guys, they simply believe that all beauty is gay, that's why they don't kek it's not that deep and no one would stop them
>>2579706>How is any of that comparable to sexualizing women?Again, reply, why would you go to a museum if you can't draw? Because you like to LOOK at stuff. People like to LOOK. Do you believe that to appreciate a museum you have to be good at art? Do you think that to enjoy a nice sunset you have to be a scientist? Do you think you have to be an animal fucker to find animal beautiful or cute to look at? Weird!
No. 2579713
>>2579700>>2579696>>2579693nta but kek what in a tumblr tier response are these
>>2579686you know, i think you'd have a point if men weren't able to jack off to a stick figure with boobs. you cannot make an image focused on a naked woman and claim it's feminist or femgaze, it'll attract men anyway
(infighting) No. 2579715
>>2579709Quick question, how old are you? You remind me of guys in middle school that immediately get with their back on the wall after learning that one of their classmates is gay and go "B-But you don't find ME attractive right, you creep??"
Learn how to divide sex from porn. You believe that all sex is porn. I know you're into babby's first radical feminist lessons but learn to see the difference in objectifying and sexual feelings.
No. 2579716
>>2579711>men could draw themselves as hot yaoi guysif they did this and then claimed its not for women/fags everyone would laugh at them, so i dont understand why anon is having such a hard time grasping the fact most men are straight and they like attractive women.
>People like to LOOK.but why do you like looking at sexy women if you are not gay? whats the appeal? looking at what people consider sexy women just makes me sad, seeing them contorting themselves like worms, fully shaved for men it just makes me feel gross. I dont get it. Whats considered ''attractive'' in women is always dictated by men and thus i dont hold women to those standards, and if someone did that to me i would feel bad.
No. 2579720
>>2579716>if they did this and then claimed its not for women/fags everyone would laugh at themTheir loss, skill issue kek
>but why do you like looking at sexy women if you are not gay? whats the appeal?Aesthetic. Beauty. Oh no, why are beautiful people beautiful??
No. 2579728
>>2579720I can find attractive people beautiful without sexualizing them though. I dont know why you jump to sexualizing them.
>>2579723Thats fine but then why complain about how drawing sexy women attract men? it doesnt make sense. Either dont draw sexy women or draw them and accept its going to attract men no matter what.
>>2579724>tasteful erotic contentthat's the point, there isnt such a thing as tasteful erotic content, its still porn. You are free to draw whatever but dont wax poetic about how your porn is empowering then cry when it attracts moids. Men have been adding ''tasteful erotic'' scenes to movies for decades and it's clearly just porn kek, i am not falling for that moid excuse.
(infighting) No. 2579731
>>2579723>>2579703wtf no, i like pretty female avatars but i don't like them sexualized, simple as that. what's this weird push that women like to look at softporn imagery of their own sex?
>>2579720beauty doesn't mean sexy
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>>2579732Erotic content is literally sexual what are you talking about. There is a difference between a nake potrait and erotic content. Anon isnt talking about drawing naked pictures of women she's talking about drawing erotic content, which is indeed sexual.
No. 2579744
>>2579709>If you are adhering to moid aesthetics you are going to attract moids, simple as.A woman making art she likes for other women is not "moid aesthetics." Why don't you think women are allowed to complain about those men when they just wanted to make art for women anyway? Just because it happens doesn't mean it's not frustrating, like if you get catcalled just for existing as a woman we're not gonna go "well duh, should have stayed home and never left the house if you didn't want that to happen".
>>2579709>Why do you need to project onto women its weird, but okIf humans didn't project we'd have no stories with humans in them ever. No movies, no books, no art. You sound a bit anti-social or autistic perhaps.
No. 2579745
>>2579739>Using wikipedia as a source>Wikipedia still doesn't define erotica as pornYes
nonny, yes. erotica and sex are connected because they are the same thing. Erotica and porn is NOT. Porn is a manifactured product that's aimed at a consumer for their pleasure only, if there's a sex scene in a book or movie that portraits, even explicit-ally (I'm an esl retard) two people being invested in each other or just naked, chilling, doesn't automatically mean porn due to their nature. Nudity isn't automatically porn, women's bodies aren't porn, rape isn't porn because everything needs, again, CONTEXT. If you can't grasp the CONTEXT, then you are media illiterate, that's it. Sex is a natural part of humanity, as well sexual attraction, porn stemmed from puritan views and weird moid projecting their shit morality. We are born naked. Yes, our society got pornified, no, having sex and drawing it is not automatically porn. I'm feeling like I'm explaining this stuff to a retarded kid, I'm tired.
No. 2579751
>>2579732>to you a pussy it's automatically pornor maybe nonna isn't interested in looking at a pussy? how odd is it that straight women don't what to look at female genitals
>>2579737yeah, but there's a difference between sexy and sexualized. sexualization by definition cannot be empowering
No. 2579774
>>2579755nta, but what a dishonest comparison. bare chests of tribal women aren't porn, they simply don't appeal to straight women. is it that hard to grasp?
>>2579765but why are you expecting women who are not ssa find your nudity pieces appealing? female form isn't something special that has to be admired universally by both of the sexes
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>>2579772If you think that this is straight appealing porn, despite being a lesbian love story with erotic elements, then you are purely retarded with no grasp of media literacy.
Stuff is out there, go fetch. Some women want to draw other women fucking, that's it.
No. 2579801
>>2579796Men will fap to a puddle or a steak in a radiator, we can't do much about it in general but we can make stuff LESS appealing for them. Women don't have to get ugly or gross only to avoid getting hit on by men, that's tif logic, what I asked is that there is a method, without falling into tumblr art that's recognizely gross, to draw erotica without making it a porny product.
>>2579799And that's why I asked this shit on lolcow, where moids are instabanned, and asked other women itt what they like but no, you came to shit your morals on the table without getting a single strand of grasp of the context. If you can't help, don't reply, that's simple.
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I was in love with someone's art style many years ago, it was unique and soulful to me but she changed it to one that skinwalks a catalog of popular coom artists. I want to keep her old style alive, so I stole it (technique, not actual works). She's been inactive for years and deleted her old work, whether that makes it better or worse. Picrel is not her, just another artist with copycats. Hope she's doing okay but if she isn't using it anymore, it's free real estate.
No. 2579940
>>2579591gonna hope my attempt to answer your question doesnt
trigger another shitstorm:
>the big one is drawing non-feminine women. anything androgynous, bifauxnens, butch women. especially if its two non-feminine women together. >avoid making the non-feminine women ultra-roidpigged "muscle mommies" though, thats just another form of unrealistic proportion bound to attract certain types of moids. >avoid having straps involved, and if you do certainly dont have them refer to it as their "dick" or anything similar, youll draw the futashitters and troons in (speaking of troons, probably should make it clear your characters are all unambiguously female and that you have no interest in drawing futashit ever). >having one or both parties stay more "clothed" with sports bra/boyshorts as opposed to always doing really skimpy lace lingerie. >avoid drawing women, even your feminine women, like drag queens (really garish emphasized makeup/lipstick). >dont draw only erotica, draw other stuff that showcases their personality and history too>dont pose them like theyre female superheroes breaking their backs on a marvel/dc comic cover, consistently ask yourself if the pose would look dumb or weird if it was a man doing it, same with angles and composition and such. >have fun and be yourself idk. also its a little hard to explain why but if youre the anon that posted it, i dont find
>>2579777 to be the best example of femgaze f/f. something about the camera angles and the amount of body shots with no face visible? again, hard to explain, a lot of this is "vibes" in the same way you could tell an artist draws hentai coomshit even on sfw pieces. related to my second to last point, i dont feel like id often see this type of composition with male characters.
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Please let's bring back bullying in art spaces. 2 to 5 years ago, these "autists" didn't exist and everyone adapted and grew up on a silent etiquette in art spaces, losing art sites like newgrounds, deviantart and tumblr (yes this is still up at a fraction of what it used to be) and making everything social media based created these entitled monsters, this one in particular believes that you have to be her friend but at the same time she is taking a social media break, what the fuck. I can give you countless examples of people that do not understand that artists are merely workers and not random people that are your friends, I miss less connected times and people being more on the shy side of autism instead of being entitled. I have these problems with (surprise!) furry customers (they're the most paying people and I'm cleaning their dirty money by putting them in my terf piggybank) but oh god, after years of art being not only art but useless and weird conversation, I'm totally burned out, we need another space to simply be.
No. 2580014
>>2579967>Please let's bring back bullying in art spacesWhat is stopping
you from doing it? And there's plenty of bullying in the tiktok art community. Your own fault for 1) going on tumblr and 2) yumeblr. You're like the dumbass anons going on artfight, famously THE tranny furfag site™️, to complain about the userbase that made it what it is.
No. 2580253
>>2580224>There’s no way this thread has infights every single day. Literally just summerfags doing what they do, I cannot believe any of these people use LC for more than a couple weeks per year and look at boards besides /ot/. You can tell because usually the normal insights are about art related topics and not random fucking derailing bullshit like it has been
coincidentally when schools out or almost out.
>>2579967Is this something you've been sent or on the profile of someone who sent you something? If I find a client annoying and overly friendly I'll pull a "I have a low social battery and anxiety you're literally twiggering me!!!" Don't know if that's something you'd want to stoop to nor has this been tested out on uber autists.
No. 2580311
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The Redditsexuals are fighting
No. 2580349
>>2579940I agree with the point about the faces being cropped out in the earlier image. That and the fact that the women look like twins and have the same kind of "cherubic" face.
Women seem to like detailed, expressive, unique faces more than men, who prefer having more generic or minimized faces (hence coomer art styles typically having super-detailed bodies and tiny heads with cartoony faces). Men also like more childlike features on women (gross), whereas women who like women seem to prefer more mature features (not speaking for straight women, some seem to want to project on tiny cherubic women, but just speaking from a f/f perspective). Though anon might think having unique facial features are too TIF-y lol, having adult-looking and well-characterized faces in focus is something men tend to find offputting.
No. 2580367
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Not sure if it's the correct thread for this kind of question but is there any way to write female loser NEET character that won't attract the "she's literally me fr" crowd, troons and coomers? I don't plan to make super realistic webcomic story, it will be slightly Watamote inspired but with adult characters
No. 2580396
>>2579547ngl the right is ugly but it's drawn really well.
>>2579561 this edit is the best version
No. 2580397
>>2580367short answer: no
you will attract a lot of women too though.
No. 2580437
>>2580367no, the "she's literally me" crowd latches onto anything, random designs, pictures, memes, and shows and books they havent even read. And trannies/coomers go after simple tropes and anything female without development or characters thats are just quirky enough or if they have something in common with them
can i ask whats the point of your question?
No. 2580438
>>2580367There's no totally foolproof way to do that just in writing, you'd be better off heavily shittalking men who reply to you. Don't use overdone archetype signifiers (men who are into neets are moreso into a certain "vibe" and stereotypical look). Hard to explain but look up "
femcel" on pinterest or tumblr, and avoid fitting in with that aesthetic.
Tell us more about the character.
No. 2580490
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>>2580441NTA. Some of us are extremely prudish and/or straight, please understand.
>>2580487I don't see why that would be weird, especially if you also like more cartoony or simplified art styles. No need to get neurotic about stylistic preferences.
No. 2580576
There's an artist I hate purely because of some spiteful reason. Their art isn't bad at all, just purely mediocre. But holy shit every time I see it I want to go on a fucking rampage because I hate fat OCs KEK
>>2580479Because I am an
illustrator and not a writer; I don't go on threads I have nothing to contribute towards.
No. 2580592
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>Looking through Art Fight characters.
>Saw this cute little cat-fish creature.
>Wanted to know more.
>Immediately assaulted with tits.
>Sobs into hands.
No. 2580633
>>2580629Loving your
>You like waffles so you must hate pancakesapproach. Let me clarify; no. I prefer
chubby over
spherically obese, borderline blueberry fetish.
No. 2580736
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>>2580703>Is this twitter or some other platform where you can block them get on with your day? I don't get being annoyed with a specific artist when it's never been easier to avoid them outside places like close-knit discord servers where you have too many mutuals to be able to discretely mute/block.Yes. And normally I do! But unfortunately I am weirdly addicted to hating on this individual. Still trying to clock if TIF or stinky moid and I can't stop checking. I usually bitch to a friend about them too but they keep saying
>Please do yourself a fucking favor and forget they exist ffskek,
No. 2580760
>>2578695NTA but the "overdesign" is easy to avoid, as I'm very sure Genshin and other gachas do it on purpose to make the character look expensive. It's different if it's something ornamental and decorative, but excessive on a story-backed character.
Detailed or simple, the design of a character should serve to tell their story, either their own or the world around them. The Genshin and similar gacha designs don't do that; they're designed to rob an addict's wallet.
No. 2580775
>>2580736Ah, as much as I hated the transvestigating in the older artist salt threads, I admit that I'm addicted to doing it with users I come across in the wild. If only I knew you personally
nonnie, I'd love to waste time transvestigating them with you, all my art friends are TRAs, so I have to keep that to myself kek
No. 2580822
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>>2580736god I’m the same, but probably more of pathetic about it. For whatever reason an artist and fic writer who I really admired
who is a tif but honestly I loved her art too much to care became best friends with another tif with an artstyle comparable to that of a literal ten year old despite being in her mid 20s and a very outwardly spedtard tier way of writing the characters from the fandom they were in and I watched as she parasitically sucked away at everything that made the admirable artist so great- her letting her insert her shitty writing and headcanons into all her subsequent work and her artstyle plummeting to boring tasteless shit despite it so unique and inspiring before. She fucked off and barely posts anymore but I’m addicted to checking on her friend to see whatever new shit she has to pump out and seethe about it. I’ve been doing it for a couple years at this point and have speeded about it at great lengths on this site before. I also wish I could stop but I’m still too autistic about the characters she ruined
No. 2580920
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>>2580822ayrt this literally sums up how I view the interaction between punipunchu and mcsiggles back in the Homestuck days KEK
Granted, McSiggy is boring as shit after you see her struggling with whatever for the umpteenth time and I dropped off back in 2018.
No. 2580982
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This moku person has been making weird somewhat schizo vagueposts for a day and it seems like this was the reason kek, has anyone else been seeing this? She was straight up tweeting “I win hehe” to her 13k+ followers
No. 2581005
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>>2580991This needs to be beaten into anons' heads as has been done itt however it should be said that you should not let that unfortunate fact hold you back. You need to be secure in yourself and your work, you let moids win if it stops you from making things. Anons are telling you this because if your methods of warding them off doesn't work or backfires you'll be at the very least be incredibly upset by it.
No. 2581051
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>>2580982it’s a shame that this reply got reported kek
No. 2581107
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>>2580982funny that she accused that girl of being a pedophile despite shipping herself with the shotabait character from dungeon meshi lol
No. 2581121
>>2581042I used to go to
myreadingmanga way back and logged on recently. It's infested with bara shit and american comic book style BL. it's honestly disgusting.
No. 2581198
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>>2581051>>2581082>>2581107I’ve been following moku for a while now and holy kekk just realized memi is the same person who went on a based
terf rant, she said “what is a woman guys” with a followerbase filled with gendies in this digital art community which caused moku to have a meltie. What a legend honestly
No. 2581205
>>2581198Meo clearly full of self hate and swinging at kindness kek
This is some wild shit.
No. 2581206
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>>2581198Please tell me someone else witnessed this last year kekk it was so funny watching it unfold
No. 2581238
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>>2581222I absolutely cackled
No. 2581248
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>>2581206maybe i think this way to hype myself up or cope with the loneliness of being gc in a gendie fandom, but there's something so powerful about being a
terf and consuming… even enjoying! content by gendies. my main fandom is a webseries with a HUGE gendie fandom, like it's expected for you to become a person of gender after being in a while (which is so fucking sad!) and some fans eventually went to work on the webseries, soooo many of them gendies, eventually adding their poison in the content (which is so fucking bittersweet!). it reminds me of homestuck in that context, so i kind of see myself in that girl. and of course there's the constant overflowing stream of trans gcs and fanart and memes and it's all so fucking tiring… but at the end of the day i think it's kinda funny i can enjoy their shit, make silly little fanart (that doesn't get any attention because it isn't coated in thirty layers of poorly designed pride flags) and just pretend to go along with the tq+ stuff, meanwhile these pussies would absolutely explode if a friend or idol of theirs liked a microsecond of a harry potter movie, how ironic!
as for why i'm still here when the creators would probably hate me, idk i've made friendships that have lasted years because of that, and things that you get into during middle school stick with you forever.
No. 2581637
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I made a new account on twitter for posting art of a very popular series, have been posting good art of a very popular character under popular tags but i still seem to have absolutely no reach at all. Hat am i doing wrong?? The amount of growth I'm not having feels unnatural,i haven't even broken 5 followers and its like people don't see what i post even under popular tags?
I even had a interaction with a popular artist that would've put my post on her followers' feed, but nothing lmao
I try to be active and comment on other peoples' posts which get a little interaction, but alas
What am i doing wrong here nonnies please save me!! Is it twitter? Or me?
No. 2581708
>>2581329Nona don't be schizo. I am not selfposting. Why would you even jump to that conclusion?
>>2581640nta This. I had made my Twitter account earlier this year and it was definitely being sabotaged by the site itself. 6 months in and I have some posts with over 1k retweets. It's likely to shill their checkmark nonsensen.
No. 2581742
>>2581708nta but because of the profile picture? not saying is you
but idk what retarded attention whore would use elsie as their profile pic though
even if they changed it No. 2581778
>>2581742Holy shit I didn't realize that was Elsie. Selfposting implies it was me though I don't know how else I was to interpret it…
But real talk nonas, which one of you was actively harassing moku KEK
I was about to follow the memi account when the other nona >>2581222 mentioned it was like early twitter posting. But then I checked the follower count and I'd probably be seen as a TERF No. 2581851
>>2581829No it's definitely for real, though the point is that they don't notify you. Usually they try to play it off as just random glitchiness, and when they do admit shadowbanning is real they often claim it's only meant for bot accounts and any human who gets shadowbanned has been the
victim of an unfortunate error. Anyone talking about how shadowbans are used deliberately to silence legitimate users is smeared as a conspiracy theorist. Alternatively some have admitted they use shadowbans against perceived "trolls" and otherwise "harmful" users, and if you complain then you must be a troll too.
IDK about twitter's implementation but shadowbanning is verifiable on reddit and tumblr. New reddit accounts start out shadowbanned a lot (probably to do with whether they like your email domain (anything not gmail must be a throwaway for a spammer, right?) and your past account history), so if you post something and check it while logged in, it will look normal, but if you log out and check, the comment isn't there. If you message the subreddit mods (and they're decent, competent people), they'll usually tell you outright that your account is shadowbanned sitewide and manually approve your comment. On tumblr, users who are shadowbanned can't send messages or mention other users, and their comments and asks aren't received, and their blogs don't show up in searches, and when they interact with any post they don't show up in the notes, and their original posts won't show up on their follower's dashboards.
No. 2581899
>>2581851nta Yeah, my friend tested it and said my account had no posts when seeing it from their side on Twitter.
On Tumblr I got shadowbanned for tagging a picture as
crossdressing, and a friend of mine (different) was rambling about getting shadowbanned for talking in excess about her BL ship.
No. 2581946
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Tried to look up RCDart, and found their locked resume thing. I wanted to see if there was any change in art style over the years, but kind of curious if something happened to her (?) irl.
No. 2581947
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>>2581946samefag Inspired by this post I'd seen on her KYM entry. I actually never looked into RDCart beyond the initial Captain America thing.
No. 2581961
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>>2581198I don't really get what the drama is but this girl seems kind of insane to me and this other acct
>>2581238 is using an Elsie profile picture from here
>>>/m/248479 (which she changed after it was called out) so … yeah it seems like someone's selfposting lol. Not that the other girl isn't retarded too I just think that they might all be retarded
No. 2581973
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>>2581961>(which she changed after it was called out) so … yeah it seems like someone's selfposting lol.I found this person's quote in picrel so I have no idea how old it is. Whether or not it was changed after being called out here or on moku's post is beyond me. I'm not going to identityfag to show it wasn't me selfposting, but believe what you will.
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>>2581997
And the other nonas thought I was you huh.
No. 2582017
Twisted Disaster did another video and even though she started out fine, she still ends ups saying something dumb and even delusional in her case. For starters, it's so annoying how she says that the world is currently on fire. She's been saying this a lot recently, more than likely because she kept hearing it from her retarded zoomer friends or is just spending too much time on Twitter but nonetheless, I can't stand when westerner people say this because it's just tone deaf and not true. I'd understand if she lived in a place like Iran where things really are unstable and scary because of the war but no. Granted she did have the California fires but even according to her, her area wasn't affected by it as she didn't have to evacuate at all so I mean, I just can't help but feel like she's just being an overly dramatic dumbass.
As the video kept going, she talks about AI and her take, while not anything special, was okay but then she sprinkled in some delusion. She talked about how frustrated she gets when she talks to people around her age or older about what she does for work which is "being an artist" and how these people don't tend to take her seriously and would say things like how it's good that her husband has a real job to bring stable income into their household and she says that she's been doing freelance art for a decade and has been making enough money to cover her bills and to that, I call bullshit as someone who does listen to her streams from time to time.
I don't deny that she probably has been able to make enough to cover things like her phone, internet, and insurance but let's be real, if her husband didn't have a decent high(er) paying job, there's no way her art would cover her expenses to where she'd be living as comfortably as she does. She lives in southern California near Los Angeles and I know the rising costs of living there is ridiculous, even she's complained about that a good few times.
Anyway, I just think it's pathetic that even after all this time, she still feels the need to lie about the reality of things in her life. If her art really was able to cover all her costs consistently, she wouldn't be trying to find an actual stabler job which there's no shame in but seriously, just own it, it's fine. Most of us are doing just that working a conventional job while doing art on the side. I think she just has insecurity because her siblings actually got real jobs and are doing quite well for themselves as I think she said her brother went to law school and her other brother works a conventional job that he's moved up in and they make enough money and more to have a stable lifestyle, at least much more stable than her own and I can understand feeling a little insecure there but flat out delusion isn't the way to go.
That aside, you get to see her abuse the symmetry even more so er, enjoy? kek.
No. 2582033
>>2581829I recently made an account for a fandom and had this happen. I liked some posts and made a couple of comments, and it let me loose after a few days. The message said something along the lines of "Good to Go" and explained how new accounts start out restricted.
It's absolutely part bot-sniffing, part shilling. Funny when you realize a lot of bot accounts have the checkmark…
No. 2582042
>>2582038i hate these newfags
she really felt the need to announce herself based on a couple posts kek
No. 2582051
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>>2581979Just like you, I used to read them daily especially if they were about an artist I knew, likes and dislikes aside.
Sadly, like you said, most of these have either been deleted or have been taken over and all their posts wiped, supposedly to stop the bullies and such. A shame, since they serve as a time capsule of that time imo.
https://kawaiiartistconfessions.tumblr.com/https://kawaii-history.tumblr.com/ No. 2582061
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>>2582038>Jungle themepicrel
>>2581973My bad for thinking it was you nonna, I understand now. This current generation is so scary, they're such massive faggots
No. 2582081
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>>2582038>>2581973God everyone involved is a retarded faggot. At most optimistic this memi chick is a bippie kiwifag.
No. 2582099
>>2582081sucks that edgy retards constantly try to pass as terfs (did she claim being a
terf or is she just shitposting about everything?) because they talk shit about trannies like they do any other group or situation
i dont think a kiwifag would actively harass and interact directly with a cow tbh even if they make fun of them
did she say where she got the discord screenshots from? i wouldnt even trust whoever got those, what were they doing on racist twansphobic discords?
No. 2582119
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>>2582051That art style really was a plague though I think it looks cute when done well. It sucks that so many of the prominent artists dropped off the map tbh I wonder what their current art looks like.
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>>2582099She did say she was a
TERF, I can't be arsed to log back in and get caps. My thoughts exactly about the discord screenshots (picrel). 505core didn't say where she got them.
>i dont think a kiwifag would actively harass and interact directly with a cow tbh even if they make fun of themThat's exactly what White Glove did, I don't think it's far fetched others have done and do that.
No. 2582236
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>>2582228Idk
nonnie, even in that page they posted the feet still look retarded to me. Maybe I just hate his style
No. 2582724
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They just added a free search function to Art Fight.
No. 2582806
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>>2582792Nta but there's a 4chan tag on Art Fight that has a good handful of characters in it, though it's more likely made up of characters that are labelled as 4channers because it's le dark and edgy rather than because it's characters made by actual chan users.
They seem to at least tolerate the existence of 4chan being mentioned on the site because I imagine if you made a character and said that she uses lc it would very likely get you banned for twansphobia
No. 2583172
>>2582817We tried. Artfight mods don't even ban diaper fetishists or obvious eight year olds because they're lazy fucks.
>>25831014chan and Reddit used to be on a similar level of edginess prior it being corporatised. I think it's more apt to say it is a regular Anglo image board with a moid majority userbase, it just happened to be the biggest one with a lot of splinter groups and captured very specific eras and groups of the internet. The whole "image boards are so freaking edgy and evil!!" thing is such a weird hold over.
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>>2581198>>2581206Kek I remember this. Also
>How do you like homestuck but ur a TERF?Do these retards not realize that a lot of people read Homestuck back before it and the fandom became infested with gender nonsense? Some of these Xitter users probably weren't even born yet when the comic began. With the exception of Davepeta, who only appears for a little bit at the very end, gendershit is totally absent before the epilogues. It's very easy to read and enjoy Homestuck on its own (not the epilogues, not the sequel, and not the dating sim slop) as someone who doesn't subscribe to gender ideology. Meanwhile these children shit their diapers when Karkat says retard or John calls Bro white.
No. 2583622
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I need a second opinion on this nonnas, sometimes i draw sfw artworks and other times i draw more nsfw stuff (nothing too explicit, just spicy) but most of my followers followed for the sfw stuff, and i've been posting more and more spicy content, should i just create a new account to post nsfw stuff separately or continue with the same account and just post whatever i like? I'm torn apart because i don't have many followers on my main already, so growing followers on a secondary account would be a chore.
No. 2583704
>>2583622Depends on the goal. If your spicy stuff is BL, I would recommend making a second account. There's been some weird children online (assuming they're kids) harassing people for drawing BL. Everything else it would depend on if you're
trying to get views and association to your spicy content. It may attract an unwanted audience like how some nonas ITT hate moid followers. That would warrant a second account where you can post to your heart's content without fear of the unwanted attention (selective viewership). If you want to post for the numbers, I say just continue as you are.
No. 2583777
>>2583458ipgd/V/ctset are the same person and she is a
terf. The gendie troll in Hiveswap really pissed her off because it was her design kek. She eventually got kicked off the team for being a controlling asshole
and never getting over being friendzoned by Hussie. No. 2583922
>>2583622In my opinion, you should keep it all on one account, just because I think it's kind of based when artists are bold enough to have their nsfw and sfw accounts on the same page. But like
>>2583704 said, a second account can be nice if you care about that sort of thing. Ultimately though I think it's cool haha.
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nonas, tumblr nona from last week here. i kinda followed what you all suggested (being more social by reblogging some stuff on the fandom i'm into, being more careful with the tag placement, etc etc). posting on Sundays boosts posts a lot too! and making a fresh post is better than reblog as well. i'd appreciate more tips to conquer this beast though!
No. 2584370
>>2584189Alternative idea. We have an entry requirement
>draw Elsie in your honest style and put up a certain hand sign next to your screen or drawing>take a photothat way TIMs can't ever possibly pass into it, and any TIFs in there have to do something fucky in order to get in, which will hurt their credibility.
No. 2584374
>>2584214I mean, our beloved Twisted Disaster nona just posted not too long ago.
>>2582017 ,
there was the whole moku thing
>>2581973 , and I had mentioned RDCart ITT. Nobody's doing anything exceptionally milky afaik.
No. 2584396
>>2584370I like this idea.
even though I have seen so many LC dickswords come and go. or more accurately explode. We could congregate somewhere on the site other than this thread too like the moovie room, and share contacts
No. 2584439
>>2584201>it's easier for racists and pedophiles to connect over shared hobbies than it is women who admit sex is binaryHonestly what’s stopping us from creating a discord exactly? I’ve seen lolicon servers get banned because they had channels dedicated to posting porn, some of it was loli and that’s against discord rules. Afaik there are no rules on discord that’s against having
terf views right? All you have to do is just follow the rules and the server should be fine.
Are people just afraid of being discovered and getting cancelled on social media? I’ve said it countless times here before, but cancellations don’t do jack shit. The most people could do is send anon hate and have a bunch of tifs block you, people will forget and move on very fast. I can understand if you’re a famous artist in the industry, or hoping to break it into the industry which would blacklist you.
Maybe nonas can just use aliases when using discord so you don’t have to link to your social media accounts if you’re worried about that, and just DM your socmed usernames to other nonas who you’ve grown close with and trust. I also like the idea
>>2584370mentioned, posting your hand and a drawing is a good way of getting obvious moids out. I know of another anonymous female only board that also made people post their hands as proof kek
No. 2584511
>>2584492yeah maybe
also, now that i think about it, there's definitely tranny cocksuckers on lc that stay here on any thread to get dirt on whoever they dislike but jump at any opportunity to shit on a "
terf" site and keep their woke points while shitting on people within their circles
No. 2584514
>>2584500not to be accusatory but the timing of the discord being planned on summer and nonas being really quick to approve of a discord makes it seem that many were not around during the creation and downfall of multiple LC discord servers created years ago.
You're better off making connections via the friend finder and making the group from there than starting from scratch and recruiting from a LC thread
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This talk about creating a discord is strange because this
>>2584517 thread and the critique thread exist and we are hopefully about to experience the first CowFight event soon, there's no reason to go off-site that wouldn't have similar risks as here. Maybe you guys could email each other using friend finder and see if you actually like each other before starting a server kek.
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>>2581271>>2581278aww thank you nonners. i have a lot of feelings about the topic at hand so i suppose it bleeds into the way i use words. here's my last snoopy pic so i don't get banned for avatarfagging kek.
>>2581327i don't play along either. i like to "misgender" nb characters or ignore their existence and none of my tra friends have suspected anything afaik. i'm sure you're not completely alone in your fandom nona, knowing the pushback they'll get many people stay silent.
>>2581916exactly, at the end of the day i'm a social creature and i want to discuss the media at hand with fellow fans! i'm kinda shy of mentioning my own fandom since it's even more riddled with kids than ut/dr. it's supposed to be an all ages series after all, and i've kinda outgrown it but i've been here for so long it's so hard for me to leaveeee kek. it's not the cookie run fandom but think of it like the cookie run fandom, they have a lot of member overlap too.
>>2582081man she's a fucking loser and i thought she was some outspoken stacy. sigh.
>>2584080i'm lucky that the friends i've got are fairly normie, at least normie compared to the majority of the fandom. and also we're older than the fandom average, late teens to early twenties, so they're less likely to get really brainwashed by the gendie virus. the most radical thing they do is saying trans rights or using they/them unironically, beggars can't be choosers. it does get isolating when i want to vent with someone i personally know about this whole gender ideology bullshit, i use lc for my gc fix but it's not really the same. at the end of the day i can't really say i'm miserable, but i do feel a little silly by partaking in a fandom that would advocate for my (virtual) hanging if they knew how i actually felt (but it's made of really young people so you can only hope to grow out of those views fast). i'm pretty sensitive so i wouldn't know how to deal with social death, at least i'm unpopular so i wouldn't have to lose a huge following and possible money source.
i like the idea of a server in the sense of improving and giving each other advice in a more personal form, posting the artwork we actually share on our named accounts (shoutout to kirbyanon and that other nona who makes fanart for the homie game). but i'm also very paranoid, and also worried that many of us would clash because we don't have many things in common outside of art and being anti troon.
No. 2584628
File: 1751256655649.jpg (535.87 KB, 1859x740, insanedickhead.JPG)
So on Artfight, I'm trawling through characters to draw with my friend. She discovered there's an incel tag and it's fucking blatant misogyny everywhere. Picrel. I don't get how these female artists draw these characters and live with themselves afterwards. They must really just hate themselves.
No. 2584650
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>>2584628Incel ocs have been a kind of new phenomenon in the oc scene tbh. I’ve seen people making memes about it
No. 2584654
File: 1751258472698.png (1.14 MB, 1291x865, 1.png)
>>2584650It’s probably mostly zoomers who are obsessed with old internet culture or something, mainly 4chan, while they themselves have never used 4chan in their lives. They just think it’s so quirky and edgy, makes them look cool. It’s so cringe. Reminds me of that canihavepromo girl. Zoomers who are obsessed with the 4chan incel aesthetic and pandering to that crowd are so cringe and huge pickmes
No. 2584682
File: 1751260875227.png (404.85 KB, 400x450, Bruford_Infobox.png)
>>2584628THIS IS A FUCKING JOJO CHARACTER
No. 2584688
>>2584656Its just the female version of guys who are into "
femcels". Basically its just hot weirdos.
No. 2584707
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More "Bluford" shit.
No. 2584715
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fandoms: columbo, the bible…
No. 2584792
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>>2584623>>2584641>>2584649Anyone who is planning on hosting an LC discord should read this article as an inoculation for the crazy drama that typically comes with an LC discord.
https://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/ No. 2584812
File: 1751277001679.png (38.99 KB, 1657x125, what is a straight line kek.pn…)
Admittedly the most petty grievance I have as of today, what program did the artfight designer use to make the card?
No. 2585696
File: 1751333015003.png (40.36 KB, 1178x328, is this site ran by children.p…)
Uh huh. Hm.
No. 2585737
File: 1751334817749.png (53.22 KB, 1490x812, come again.png)
Random Character clicking yields fascinating backstories.
No. 2585759
File: 1751336350503.png (88.97 KB, 500x500, 1725858955164383.png)
Realization my artstyle kinda looks like lacryboy's art minus the pedoslop… and the trannyslop. aaand the weird enlongated snatched waists.
No. 2585800
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>>2585761>ATLAWhat an odd thing to mention. Not the war between Link fangirla versus Sephiroth/Cloud fangirls kek?
Deviantart was
the shit for me for like 10 or so years. I was proud of that. Rooting for its redemption arc. Tumblr is kinda working on theirs imo
No. 2585803
>>2585800As long as pooners and trannies and groomers still infest tumblr, it'll always be shit.
>>2585761ATLA wasn't really that popular, it only got popular later on. Oekakis were the shit, though.
No. 2585813
File: 1751338608064.jpg (65.16 KB, 1344x706, 1000009268.jpg)
>>2585800>Rooting for its redemption arcIts all AI and NFTs nowadays i am afraid.
No. 2585904
File: 1751343865999.jpg (159.87 KB, 1718x806, suffragettecharlol.JPG)
Found a suffragette character, but the artist has this MASSIVE "Do not talk to me if you're a terf/transmed/radqueer" warning on their page. The irony.
No. 2585906
File: 1751344074469.jpg (55.83 KB, 749x548, anime_quote__363_by_anime_quot…)
Personal recovering pitycow artist slid back into her old ways. Very mixed feelings because I found her old deleted Reddit account and holy degen retardation, when pullpush comes back I may share itt if it's as juicy as I think it is.
No. 2585996
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>>2532494I know this is an old post from an old thread but I was immediately reminded of it upon seeing this the fact that not even Susie of all characters (in art that isn’t specifically meant to be coom, to be clear) is safe genuinely pisses me off
No. 2586049
File: 1751353898410.png (303.18 KB, 1181x844, Screenshot_2025-07-01_020302.p…)
Hey everynonnie! I'm gonna clean this up during Tunesday tomorrow and then post the CowFight thread on /m/ and link to it in a post here as well! I took
>>2569985 's suggestion for team names (thank you!). See you there ♥
No. 2586061
>>2586049Omg anon, this is perfect!
Can't wait to see other nonnas' ocs and their attacks.
No. 2586264
File: 1751373400112.webp (64.42 KB, 1280x720, netflix-voltron.webp)
>>2585759Lacryboy is just copying Voltron, her artstyle is not original. Also when did she drew pedoslop?
>>2585791I wonder what artist is that? The one who created moetan?
No. 2586282
File: 1751374723598.jpg (31.82 KB, 661x586, lacryboy.jpg)
>>2586264Nona she has a baraag account
No. 2586290
File: 1751375583062.jpg (Spoiler Image,251.75 KB, 1837x2856, media_Fez6E7XWYBsUtx-.jpg)
>>2586282So? From what I've seen, it's mostly reposts from her twitter. Nvm I just remembered she drew loli art of columbine shooters on her baraag. Does anyone know if picrel is based on real life actors?
No. 2586313
File: 1751376403819.jpg (132.29 KB, 735x1147, Toyhouse.jpg)
Oddly specific doubt I've had, but are online circles detrimental to developing your art? And if it is, is it a big deal?
I'm refering to when you can clearly tell when an artist comes from deviantart/tumblr or as of recent, tiktok/toyhouse.
How can one still be inspired by online artists but avoid the internet from poisoning your art? Basically avoid creating vivziepop tier art.
No. 2586365
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>>2586264>I wonder what artist is that? Metata. Struggled to find a non coomer slop drawing of his. He had to upload everything with a bootleg nightshade on it because people fed his entire gallery to AI kek
No. 2586383
>>2586313>are online circles detrimental to developing your art?This is one of those situations you have to judgemon a case-by-case basis. I know that joining the Homestuck fandom around Cascade and Giga Pause had allowed for me and a lot of artists to start becoming intimate with anatomy and realism. You then end up seeing a lot of western industry leads having connections to Homestuck, too. If anything, it benefitted a
lot of people.
And then there is, haha, Steven Universe.
>is it a big deal? Depends on the purpose behind why you draw. Commercially it can help if you can cater to the audience side that has money. But nothing is irreversible in art.
>How can one still be inspired by online artists but avoid the internet from poisoning your art? Basically avoid creating vivziepop tier art.Be smart about who you are idolizing. But again, personal tastes leads to it being a case-by-case basis. If you think an artstyle is shit, don't associate with it. Mentally blacklist parts of its "appeal". We aren't like AI and can unlearn bad habits.
>>2586371>my nigga AryaKEK
No. 2586732
File: 1751395673919.png (Spoiler Image,366.45 KB, 746x732, 5556.png)
>>2586290>>2586264She's drawn loli, shota, guro, necro and this. Game of Thrones fan art is nothing, kek.
No. 2586754
File: 1751396551248.png (Spoiler Image,274.5 KB, 763x852, why.png)
>>2586290>Nvm I just remembered she drew loli art of columbine shooters on her baraagLooked through her shit (don't recommend) and found it, censored and spoilered for obvious reasons. I'm surprised her more woke followers haven't crucified her for this but since everyone believes her male LARP I guess she can get away with it. Actually I remember seeing some callouts for retweeting school shooter fan art and drawing nazi porn on an alt but they went nowhere.
>>2586732Something I wonder about a lot of these female pickme coomers who draw women being brutalized is whether or not they are actually enjoying it. Fanny gets off on it, I wonder if Lacryboy does too or if she just does it to be edgy and to get commissions.
>>2586750Inspired OCs, although she has retweeted fan art of columbine before.
No. 2586917
>>2586903> nobody's ever called out mossa for drawing porn based off a real case of torture no the warhammer (of all fandoms) banned him from their subreddit because of his pedoshit there have been callouts on him too
and hopefully the sharty finds out about him he copes by "WOW IM NOT
TRIGGERED AT ALL!" but hes a sniveling pigfaced pencil dick whos scared of the korean police finding his shit
No. 2586918
>>2586911Do you have any info about him? Spoonfeed me. I think satori (the owner) got doxxed by the sharty and baraag was temporarily got taken down
>how that site is still standingIt was taken down multiple times
No. 2586945
File: 1751406540506.jpg (294.03 KB, 960x1280, 6 heads tall!.jpg)
>>2586917He's a manlet too. Also, can anyone identify where this photo was taken?
No. 2586948
>>2584374Twisted Disaster nona poster here lol I apologize if my posts can fog up the thread if that's been a problem. Michie isn't super active on YouTube (though it seems she's been uploading more) and she's not especially
problematic, she just says a lot of retarded shit which I can't fathom as someone 2 years older than her and how she should know certain things at her bigger age. She says thing like practice doesn't make perfect (which is true) but uses it to justify why her own anatomy skills (or lack thereof) looks so poor and of course, her heavy reliance on using that mirror tool for most of her work these days.
But yet I still watch because even though I find her takes retarded at times, she's like one of the last few YouTubers of old school art YouTube that still makes those sit-down and draw while talking kind of content. I mean, her and Starfish Face (who is definitely a better one to listen and vibe with). There aren't very many of them left if you know what I mean.
No. 2586976
>>2586896https://archive.org/details/creepypasta-lolitaslavetoyNSFL warning
>>2586956Jeez that's horrible considering what he draws, I bet he did that as a joke
No. 2587067
File: 1751411186248.jpeg (164.49 KB, 1290x379, IMG_6213.jpeg)
>>2586985Same fag here. I checked lacry account. She deleted the video. This is my only evidence she has a masculine voice. Her reasoning for deleting her main seemed like the nsfw account was her secret perverted outlet and she didn’t want to hide anymore. If i remember correctly she was tired of pretending to be two different artists despite the style being the same
No. 2587158
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>>2587123I’d imagine she would be 18/19 around 2020. The lana quote is there because i believe her old OC max was a self insert. She deleted stuff about that character. Apparently she blocked somebody who said Max was girl. Max was their tif character who kept trying to have sex with her dad. I don’t remember honestly. I want to imagine the kind of art she would’ve made if she never pandered to them
No. 2587215
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I just realized I have to redraw my male dude's nipples for Artfight, because the rules claim that, in standing against "sexism", they're gonna censor male nips too. But meanwhile, I just found an artist drawing bimbo slutty female characters and getting away with it. But sure, "sexism".
No. 2587266
>>2587244I think it's a new rule this year. Gotta double down on troon shit, as
>>2587252 said.
No. 2587294
>>2587281no offense to you anon but this behaviour is so annoying
the discord was full of kids asking how to get attention and have followers and what if no one likes my aaaart and what if no one attacks meeeeeee, why do you care omfg
and retards who couldnt read so i left kek No. 2587298
>>2587294none taken lol ik im being cringe rn. i guess im just more annoyed by the blatant interaction with other attacks and i get left on read but yeah its whatever at the end of the day.
>>2587295so true.
thanks nonas.
thanks nonas
(integrate) No. 2587337
>>2587281Yeah that kinda sucks if they're just ignoring you because that's happened to me a few times, but I think if you interact with people that have smaller followings they're more likely to comment/attack back if you draw them something.
Also pro tip for anyone if you want more people to attack your characters: Follow a shit load of people on the opposite team that are active and eventually you'll get a slow stream of attacks coming your way. I did this last year and got like 67 attacks compared to the year before where I got 3.
No. 2587539
>>2587382aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5jYXRib3gubW9lL3Q3ZTJnZS5zdXRn
For first one. Godspeed nona. I hope you have a blessed day, week, month, year. Trying to find the actual files of these things makes me want to kill myself what have I done
No. 2587637
>>2587632samefag, nvm i think i figured it out kek
i'll upload it in a few hours or less, gotchu nonnas
No. 2587644
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>>2587539Anon you are a saint and I will give up my firstborn in your name. Thank you eternally for spending money on some dumbass on the internet.
No. 2587673
>>2587664no fuckin way
nonnie kek
you can go ahead and upload them if you want, i got some stuff to do rn
No. 2587788
File: 1751474912588.jpg (92.39 KB, 500x500, love u nonnas.jpg)
>>2587632>>2587664KEK thank you both so much!!! sending my blessings your way as well ♥♥♥ i believe the best way to share image assets is by just drag and dropping them into a .clip file and sharing that? at least that's how they seem to do it in the /ic/ rentry
No. 2587811
>>2587755Dearest summerfag, I believe you are misguided. Coomslop should never be illustrated by your otherwise purest hands. As you know from your years of visiting and lurking the numerous lolcow boards, you do know women never willingly participate in these heinous activities, right? Ever. It is a sign of giving up one's womanhood to acknowledge coomslop to any degree. I know you've mentioned doing it and it's great you're honest. That's a step in the right direction.
The human form should be respected, especially if you are an artist. To treat such frivolities as throwaway indulgences like that means you've been corrupted by the moid hivemind. As you can see from the other replies you've received, it's unnatural to even so much as
consider these things. You need to look inwardly to find a better place for your soul, a better way to warm up.
>nb4 It's just a drawingLife immitates fiction. Fiction immitates life. It's an ever spinning circle of self-reference. Before long you'll find yourself in the same place our moid counterparts are in.
I am high as a kite and it made me wonder if the reason Bob Ross could pain so effectively and calmly was because he had a bucket of paint thinner very close to his face. His hair doesn't move at all so I also am wondering if he was in a well-ventilated area. It was the hippie era, right? Maybe oil paints and painthinner made him wish to befriend his brushes or something. No. 2587819
>>2587476>>2587788aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5jYXRib3gubW9lL3RsemUyby5yYXI=
thanks for the tip, i saved them as a clip file and as separate transparent pngs
No. 2587957
Didn't expect so much replies so fast to me,
>>2587755 the summerfagging anon, so I thought I'd add some context on the way of replying.
>>2587767I suppose I am. It is a dumb thing of me to ask, since I don't share that shit anyway (rethorical question 101).
>>2587773I confirm, I am in fact so fun at parties that I never get invited, kek.
>>2587774Good idea, nonna! I appreciate the enabling.
>>2587811This reply reeks of sarcasm, but it inspires me honestly. Also, to be clear, I asked about recreational coomslop origally for insight (ironic, I know), considering LC's stance on coom involving female characters. Not that a woman can't draw such coomslop at all, plus it never reaches moid level of depravity anyway, but I took the position of "some nonna in the thread saw an artist do warm up coomslop, posted it online, and it left a bad taste in said nonna's mouth". Hence I asked about how you guys felt about it. Even generally.
>>2587884You're right, nonna! I appreciate your kind words. Today's weather just put me in airplane mode, and I don't even normally draw that kind of shit anyway
hence that slight guilt but I'll put that shame away! I promise. It's time to pust a stop to being a robot, especially when it comes to drawing smut (ridiculous in itself).
On a side note, I loved reading these unhinged replies, they made my afternoon. Thank you.
No. 2587985
>>2587957I'm glad you got something out of my reply but I just have to respond to this:
>and I don't even normally draw that kind of shit anywayGet rid of this sort of thinking entirely. It wouldn't have mattered if you were draw fucknasty buttsex 24/7. You don't have to frame it as an occasional sinful indulgence and that you're a pure sweet angel the rest of the time, that just unhealthy. I really think you need to sit down with yourself and unpack why you feel this way about sexuality and engaging in it.
No. 2588066
>>2587957Realize that
>>2587811 is obviously joking
No. 2588128
>>2588029Girl, If I had to actually feel guilt or shame for not aligning with the idea of what a perfect feminist would be (there are too many of these, you will never live up to the standard because you can't get every woman on earth to agree what that would even mean) I would not get shit done. Ain't nobody got time for dat. Whenever you start feeling that way ask yourself some simple questions:
>What are the consequences of behaving in a way thatsome women disagree with?
>Who are these women anyway? Why should I respect the opinions of someone who treats me like like I'm lower than dirt for engaging in activities that, realistically, at least 50% of the population of earth has engaged in? While also claiming to be an advocate for me and my rights?>Does God actually care about porn? Or is that humanity telling me the motives of a being capable of doing and knowing far more than any creature that has lived, is living now, or will live (from the act of sex btw) in the future? Why are we so smug as a species to even think these things?Think about these things long enough and you'll be surprised to find that the answers are 1. Nothing will happen 2. I shouldn't respect them and 3. No one can possibly know the answer that.
So in my TLDR conclusion: Fuck the haters, and draw what you want, when you want.
No. 2588268
>>2587957samefag
>>2587811 doesn't matter what you draw. It's a free world honestly. You could take the route of Shadman and fullon break the law, ModeSeven and make people concerned for you, or yeah, just doodling whatever comes to mind. I had drawn my own OC
getting railed by my massive size difference husbando not too long ago, so purity culture is barred for me. Nonas who clutch their pearls at the idea of some women being fascinated with coomslop or enjoying draw
fat nasty cocks with a bazillion veins or beautifully slim dicks and avoiding all mention of the vaginal meatmaze we are born with shouldn't be taken seriously. Hell, /g/ itself stands as an example that we have varying interests and some of us are gonna make content for said interest. Ngl, I like poking the bear anytime I see an overly sensitive nona on LC kek
No. 2588346
>>2588071Sorry I worded it weirdly, when I say female oriented I mean its a drawing of a woman with coomer proportions. Sometimes its fun to draw large boobs in various angles and how theyre positioned based on gravity. Or maybe Im just SSA and I find it attractive to look at boobs and butt kek
sorry to let you down, I wish I could git gud at drawing bishies and cute men but soft bodies are so much easier to draw
No. 2588480
>>2588423nta It's wild. I don't want to begin to derail the thread like it had been in the past, but SOME CONTENT does automatically
trigger a unique response from lolcor. Even if it isn't necessarily on par with Shadman's shenanigans themselves, it's like an immunity response to a potential redflag.
No. 2588545
File: 1751508804131.png (1.21 MB, 988x698, 1701336974101.png)
Do any nonnas have resources for detecting ai when you find suspicious art? i am making a blog post on advanced ai forensics with all that I know, mostly abt how latent noise is detected, contrast + color ai sheen, color profiles and detecting artifacts with curve tricks, but I worry I'm missing important info. I'm trying to make something more extensive than the generic "ummm check da hands" tips that kind of fall flat now because Ai has mostly figured out hands. I want to have all my bases covered so people can recognize this shit at a glance
No. 2588618
File: 1751512169557.png (110.93 KB, 275x252, 1692680877174.png)
>>2588569most people using AI are too stupid to even use inpaint let alone overpaint their mistakes after kek. also its incredibly hard to overpaint without leaving latent noise behind unless you scrub the whole image, which a majority of artists don't know how to do because a majority of methods dont work. its easier to be smarter then 99% of ai users with these methods, but its pointless because 1% of them might get smarter knowing these tricks? nah get the fuck out of here with that shit kek
No. 2588658
>>2588545I watched a video lately where a guy used a RGB splitter to check each channel of an image and the noise patterns of each channel were exactly the same for the ai, which is abnormal in any photo. I can’t find it for the life of me so take that with a grain of salt.
I also saw this video, the one embedded a while back and it was more accessible to people just looking at a piece with no ability to check in photoshop.
No. 2588816
>>2588781Could always just interact. I talk to some fujos in the same fandom as me, and sometimes I'm the only poster speaking to them. We have a little conversation, someone else jumps in with a joke, etc. I think you can
cultivate an interactive community too. Even with language barriers. I frequently throw dumb jokes at some Chinese, Japanese, and Mexican artists. I don't think they hate it because I'm not blocked yet and they respond.
Obviously don't be obsessive about it. Tumblr also has a very active commenting community still somehow. Responding to tags, sending anonymous asks, dropping someone giftart, etc…
I think it appears differently depending on communities as well as the artists themselves. If you piggyback on promoted posts that show up in the For You page, you can net interactions as well and that could be what some artists are doing.
No. 2588830
>>2588783No no, the active users and followerbase I was thinking about were definitely not bots, I’m mainly thinking of those zoomer artists and their groupies/friends who are always hyping each other up in their replies. Most of the time they are oc artists but I’m sure this happens in fandoms too. I honestly envy them, I’m too chicken to interact with my followers but I think if I started doing it more, they’d be more inclined to interact and comment on my art too.
But it’s just kinda daunting to start, because there was a time where I actually wanted to start socializing with my mutuals more and I commented on a friend’s post, and boom, I was just ignored and never got a reply. Sigh of course the singular time I attempt to socialize it ends like that. It’s so annoying. So I’ve been hesitant to do anything ever since.
No. 2588846
>>2588830>I commented on a friend’s post, and boom, I was just ignored and never got a reply. nta Depends on what you said.
>cuteHorrible ass response.
>I love how you did the shading here. Nice -insert hyperspecific compliment targetting something they might be struggling on-Might do better. I usually crack injokes but like you said, fandom vs OC might have more of a learning curve.
No. 2589063
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>>2588830I haven't talked to/made friends online for over 10 years (this includes rejecting nice mutuals going "Hello, do you have a discord" in a friendly way because they wanted to be friends) due to autism retardation and a ibt of AVPD.
But this year I'm trying to be more social and the key is just trying! Don't lose hope! Not everyone will be besties with you, I still haven't made a friend, but people are more keen to reply to my stuff.
First start with your mutuals. If you think someone is cool or notice a few people popping in your notifications often (likes/rts) try interacting with their tweets more often, since they follow you they will probably welcome it. Then, compliment artists, creators and such.
My rule of the thumb to snap me from the "I'm annoying and they will hate me" mindset is just to think if receiving the message I plan to sent would annoy me. 99% of the time the answer is "I wouldn't care" as worst and "I would like it" at best.
And like
>>2588846 said, usually a "I love it!!", "Cute!" is boring to most people unless it's someone who has 5 followers or never gets replies. Simply add something to it, like "I love how you do XYZ", if they post a pic of their meal compliment something specific about it etc. Sometimes you can be cringe, I once told someone who scanned some stuff that people like them are the reason fandom is a better place haha, but I really meant it and people in social media nowadays are so rude anyways, being a bit chessy it's ok.
Also think replies as sending CVs. Often you get ignored, a few will call but not hire you (just liking the reply) and others will hire. Many people online are introverts, so it's normal if they don't reply back.
No. 2589103
File: 1751555731277.png (26.04 KB, 304x493, straightbadgrr.png)
Found someone on Artfight whose profile mentioned something like "fags only, straight people fuck off". So I asked her on tumblr if she meant it. Lol.
No. 2589151
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>>2589103Are you really that
triggered by some edgy 17 year old's profile stamps?
No. 2589227
>>2589205Just from that "gaybian" label I bet she's at best a bi girl who read too much bl
>>2589200Poor straight people, being opressed by artist crationcig on tumblr
No. 2589532
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God I hate aidens so much. They’re one of the biggest group of misogynists to exist. Kill yourself mentally ill freak, you are a straight woman and that’s why you dicksuck men so much(a-logging)
No. 2589981
>>2589918Have to admit that it is difficult to find a character that is appealing to draw. I don’t care too much about revenge or people drawing me stuff, I just want to draw stuff I normally wouldn’t. It’s surprisingly hard.
Not really related but more of an observation, but
I don’t have SM and haven’t been into any art scenes online for a long time. It surprised me that the average skill level is fairly low on the site too? I didn’t remember it being like that on tumblr or dA back in the day but I could be wrong No. 2590105
>>2590076That’s my main issue, I don’t actively follow any artists that are participating or know of any. I’ve basically been doing what you said after I realized looking at recent attacks and characters was a bit of a wash.
Like I said I don’t care about receiving anything in return, but I want to at least encourage people who look like they’re trying.
No. 2590158
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>>2590119Lets fucking gooo
No. 2590198
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>>2590190Received! Thank you
nonny you're the best, don't tell the others
No. 2590395
>>2590377It goes both ways nona. On this entire site. Let's not make this thread about that again. Please.
>>2590393Oh? What makes you say that?
No. 2590513
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>>2590401Here you go nona!
This is the first time I do this, hopefully the "export" option saves the materials as well. If there's any problem, just hit me up
https://filebin.net/lnz7b4eo9p6eh58b No. 2590773
>>2590377Lol saying straight women are all dicksuckers then acting like the
victim because of ~muh homophobia~ when people call you out back, if you can't take the heat don't even say anything. This isn't tumblr
No. 2590984
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does anyone know when the best time to post art on tiktok is? and whether it varies by time zone, since so much of tiktok lives in the US so if you posted in the early afternoon in Europe it might be 8am for the Americans. I’m still trying to figure out how to get more than 400-500 views regularly.
No. 2591076
>>2591040I have the same issue kek. I can only think of a handful of male OCs that are anywhere near developed as my females ones simply because I just find it so boring to play around with them.
>>2591069Depending on the monster than is a moot point. Brundlefly would have been cooler if both Seth and the fly were female.
No. 2591096
>>2591069This is a very heterosexual view of the world.
>>2591080That makes sense actually, sexually inverting the character tropes that interest us most. I mostly write slutty antiheroes, glib psychopaths, gangsters, and rakish womanizers.
No. 2591841
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Anyone ever seen this before on Art fight? I was searching for people to follow and saw this on someone's (already extremely long) character profile. It's not like this is something you can actually enforce? What happens if someone misses this and draws the character solo? Do they say something? Quietly seethe? Lol.
No. 2591848
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I downloaded a guide about composition for illustrations & comics that's been going around online and it kind of annoys me because the artist who made it doesn't seem to be very good at making layouts. I don't know what it is with people making backgroundless single pages with tons of word bubbles/floating bodies but a drawing with an actual background that establishes where the characters are is far more interesting and easier to understand.
No. 2591853
>>2590773Funny you say that, because I have never called any woman in this thread a dicksucker
>>2591076Same. I have no idea how males live their lives and I feel like my 3 male ocs are pretty unrealistic compared to irl moids. But oh well, my target audience is female, my ocs are gonna stay that way.
>>2591798Damn, I wish we could share handles here, I want to follow you
No. 2591856
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>>2591848Maybe I'm harsh because I've been reading Lynda Barry's books and she's really big on making sure the writing/art shows where the characters are and what's around them. But manga also do a good job of having a readable look with just 4-6 rectangles, and the artists I like use a lot of angles that make their layouts more akin to shots from a movie or photography. The follow the S shape/zigzag does nothing for me.
No. 2591890
>>2591848>>2591856I have a friend who specializes in comic pages like that (she has done work for a few studios as well as ghost work on a few webcomics at the start of her career) and we were actually talking about something like this a few weeks ago because I was ranting on how many comics online feel shitty to read even if they have good art. Long story short she said that indeed comic book/manga layouting is essentially a separate skill you need to learn, and that many of these artists are just regular illustrators who think they know what layouting is like but in the end they're applying regular illustration layout rules to a comic. It looks less like a comic page and more like a diagram, and many do it in hopes of it looking artsy, dynamic or interesting, but it sacrifices a lot of understanding simply because they're seeing the page as an illustration and not as a storytelling tool with its own specific layout rules to follow. "Learn the rules before breaking them" type of deal as always.
And yeah I can see it. I'm a graphic designer and the amount of times I've seen illustrators thinking they totally know graphic design and trying to make something "editorial looking" and shitting out the most obscene layout known to man because they don't actually know any of the most basic design rules is uncountable.
No. 2591894
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>>2591883and the values being so close together make it hard to see everything clearly
No. 2591899
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>>2591859>I’m not really a comics person. I’ve never been particularly fond of reading them. I haven’t studied any of their techniques in any specific way. When it comes to sequential art, I’m really much more of an animation enthusiast and the way I’m approaching comics is often meant to emulate the things I like about animation. I have no idea how the ideas I talk about here fit in with the way comics are discussed by people who enjoy them on their own merit.>As I’ve already mentioned, I’m terrible at paneling. I don’t like doing it and it doesn’t look good when I try.Well, at least she's honest about it. I don't think everything she has to say in the comic section is necessarily bad, but I think one of the biggest issues she has is her aversion to drawing more orthodox layouts. She says it's because she finds them boring, but it feels more like a crutch to make up for her poor background drawing skills. I peeked at her tumblr and even her more recent comic work have a weak sense of perspective imo, so I get the appeal of going for more abstract compositions as a way to justify this aversion. However, I feel like she only gets away with this (in the sense that she has fans who like her work) because these are fanworks, so readers familiar with the Ace Attorney series can guess at locales without a lot of input on her part. I feel like an original work done in this style would have no sense of place or time and not in a good way. Wacky unconventional layouts can fun and can have a punch if used sparingly, but there's a reason why most comic artists default to more "boring" rectangle layouts imo. The other big issue that I feel she doesn't seem to be aware of is her speech bubble placement. It's pretty confusing at points and does a lot of what's in picrel (sorry for the furries, couldn't remember a better example).
No. 2591927
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Spaceydey/2D only gets into fgc events because she panders with cosplay and has gotten most organizers to be her orbiters. She gatekeeps then admits in private she never even plays fighting games lol. Also inflates numbers to act like she isn't sitting on dead stock and barely scraping by because she randomly makes keychain sets based on polls from twitter.
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>>2591856>those balloons in the top leftoh dear
No. 2592207
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>>2592165It's also fine to place word bubbles on the characters, making them all separate bubbles like
>>2591894 just adds a lot of unnecessary space
No. 2592292
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>>2592105which one? iuciferic? (picrel)
No. 2592299
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>>2591983I'll admit it was definitely a kind of blogpost, but I was excited to also include the tidbit on gendies and stuff. Threw me for a loop though getting called a pickme kek
No. 2592306
>>2592299Don't listen to the haters
nonnie, i thought your post was nice. mwah mwah
No. 2592408
I'm a little sad I can't use the same ocs I did last year because of what happened, really there's only one oc in particular I really care about and want more art of her but oh well. Cheers to everyone participating! I'll be doing some attacks this weekend too. It's a nice excuse to do some experimental work since the site is mostly young hobbyists who are easily impressed.
>>2591960That sounds like fun anon, I hope you enjoy drawing for the yumes and get some nice art in return. Are you a yume yourself?
No. 2592483
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>>2592292I like her oc tbh
No. 2592497
>>2592459ayrt I'm wondering how I pissed off two nonas so hard with such a positively worded post. I don't even think I shat on gendies in that post. Considered befriending one kek
But I hope you have a wonderful dag nona! Thank you for checking on me!
No. 2592502
>>2592467She has been discussed a few threads before but I don't think she's milky enough to warrant a doc or anything? I could be wrong though.
>>2592483Her oc is super cute! It's just fucking shitty that she's stuck in a creepy as hell DDLG situation with some pictures that are borderline incestuous in nature (there was one piece with her sitting on her dad's lap as he held her face in a very weird creepy way). She's sadly just a vessel for the artist's fantasies, it makes me sad.
No. 2592567
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>>2592343This is an imageboard, post the caps.
No. 2592588
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>>2592567>>2592581>>2592343This is terribly, terribly old news my friends
No. 2592591
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speaking of artfight, Ginjaninja made one and has nearly 1000 attacks (or defenses) from people in 5 days. She is attempting to draw people back and is clearly putting effort into said drawings which is nice, but it feels slightly weird to be such a big creator on something like this? Maybe im just petty or something. Also i cannot believe how even the teams are this year, 248,816 users on Fossil and 248,814 on Crystal. complete thought itd be crystal by a landslide .
No. 2592611
>>2592593>>2592595NTA but goodness this is really hammering in the difference between older and newer artist salt anons for me kek.
>>2592591>Also i cannot believe how even the teams are this yearLot of people like dinosaurs, seeing a huge uptick in Jurassic Park fanart in the past few months too. Not a bad theme choice but it doesn't absolve how ugly it is.
No. 2592619
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>>2592593>>2592595Ginjaninja is/was a popular Warrior Cats + animation meme animator about 10 years ago, she makes like random art challenge videos now. Shes done work for the storytime channel JaidenAnimations and also for TheLivingTombstone. Shes a gendie but shes generally just whatever
No. 2592620
>>2592618nta I definitely have no idea who that is. I new
ish to Artist Salt definitely, but the art scene for me had other morons in it like PurpleKecleon and Blitzdrachen, maybe Puppychan. (ironically the cows I keep track of happen to all be furries for some reason hmm)
No. 2592624
>>2592618Kek I don’t know who that is either, sorry
Considering Ginjaninjaowo is associated with Warrior Cats, I’m surprised I don’t know of her, though the name sounds vaguely familiar.
Speaking of Warrior Cats, were any other nonas in the scratch.mit.edu Warriors fandom in the early 2010s? No. 2592630
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>>2592624Thats interesting you never ended up running into her stuff, atleast knowingly! I loved the warrior cat scratch games, did anybody ever use Disney Create?? it was part of the Disney website, let you post things and was covered in warrior cat stuff and powerpuff girl style rip offs. My first digital art ever was a emo scourge drawing on there when i was 8 kek
No. 2592868
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>>2592832>I don't even think she's black. She posted a selfie a long time ago.NTA pretty sure she’s black, she was posted before and anons agreed the lolibait’s her self-insert, she used to post about being petite and looking like a middle schooler. She even colors the braids the same way hers look kek.
No. 2593039
>>2593031There’s probably some black artists that are well known, but their identities aren’t as exposed as much as hers. I don’t really blame them, some people are ruthless to them when they make specific artworks, especially when they’re women/underaged. I had a friend who has dreads but she’s mixed, and when she posted a photo of herself (I think it was a meet the artist thing), she was telling me how she had a bunch of creeps/weirdos who sent her some racist shit, especially because she does draw anime girls form her favorite shows. I noticed that if you do make black female characters or even expose that, there seems to be some kind of flack. There are some very very weird race fetishists as well, I remember exposing that I was half Asian and had some people who requested “bleaching” stuff and would get turned on by knowing that. I never posted anything coom related, I was merely in an art server and said something along the line. I feel like you have to be very careful when you expose your race/identity on specific platforms, especially depending on what you draw. Sometimes they’ll even do it even if you don’t post your art, it’s happened to me a few times.
No. 2593067
>>2593052I get it. I’m not black, but I’ve gotten some very weird gooner types when they found out my race. I stopped going into art spaces for that reason (if I do join them, it’s mainly women anyway), but it seems like the only way you can not get weird messages is if you pretend to be a man. I get so worried that they might dig up old photos of myself or my personal identity, I remember being underaged and having stalkers that were so bizarre about my race and were fetishizing both that and my age, and some of those people still hang out in specific artist circles. It’s repulsive that male artists/consumers can get away with that shit with no flack, while if women were to draw darker women and other types of characters, they’d get so much shit for it from every side (racists, gooners, etc). I remember seeing some kids get doxxed on twitter for drawing redrawn black characters, who were probably like 13 max, and it just seems so bizarre to me.
No. 2593070
>>2592483I'd appreciate her art and her OC more if it was some girls-only mecha story or whatever instead of her being surrounded by much bigger adult men who have some sort of bizarro attraction or are drawn to her. I know she's supposed to be an immortal sun goddess and that "she's actually in control and these men are submissive to her because she's a divine creature!" or whatever but that's just the tired old 5000 year old loli argument and it doesn't make it any less creepy.
I think what kills me is that in some art she has drawn this OC looking like an adult woman. I wasn't sure if it was an age-up or if it was just a different form, but she looked like an adult and it was just so much better but it also made me so much more disappointed because it showed that she made this lolibait on purpose. She could've made this OC as a gorgeous adult black woman sun goddess but she chose to make it a weird DDLG loli fetish instead. It's really sad.
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>>2593077I could buy this but the adult version of their OC looks extremely femme and would work even better than the younger version. If they want to reinforce their femininity, why not associate themselves with the extremely attractive, feminine adult woman design that THEY created? At this point I think it's legit just a sad fetish.
No. 2593211
>>2593183I’m so sorry to hear that. I wish there was more safety for female artists from this shit, I hate how repulsive they can be. I also hate that I have to go as far as even using voice changers because I’m terrified they’ll be weird about it.
>>2593181Mine was because I was in art related servers. I was a teenager around this time, and they allowed minors in, but I only posted architecture stuff. I was stupid and talked about myself in a topic about ourselves, and that’s when people started being weird. I never posted photos of myself, but when I mentioned my race and they heard my voice, I had some weirdos request weird stuff and whatnot. One guy asked me to draw a penis for him when I was 14 and I was told he’d ask underaged girls this and would get off of that. I was added in the server by an art mutual. There was other art circles I was involved in where I had similar comments as well, but that was because someone leaked photos of my face to others, and I had two artists who were adult men who stalked me due to it. Obviously, it was stupid of me, but I was in high school school and I was friends with this person for years. I have had friends who also had weird interactions but they drew women characters, though it wasn’t anything coom related. I learned to not admit personal things of myself nor to join voice channels in servers for that reason, even if I do befriend other artists.
No. 2593304
>>2593203NTA but for a woman who hates being a woman or feels like a failure, manhood and lolihood are equal and opposite fantasies. Either be a man and opt out of that expectation, or be the "perfect" pornified girl. The media paints becoming a man as attainable in real life, but online it's perfectly viable to at least appear to be a loli, and social media is filled with lolicon creeps.
Male fantasy:
Become the hot ideal guy you always thirsted over. This may include splurging on a bunch of "male fashion" peacockery from movies and anime that real men don't actually wear, or dressing like a girl but getting extra points for being "gnc". Alternatively, just opt out of attractiveness, and dieting and makeup and fashion, and it won't matter because guys don't have to do that. Either get with a girl and fulfill your perfect boyfriend fantasy by becoming the boyfriend, or get with a guy and live out your yaoi fantasies. As a man you are strong, masculine, privileged, admired, and totally capable of dealing with all the challenges in your life, because testosterone is magic. If you've been sexually assaulted before, or had sex you regret, it's okay because men don't let that stuff get them down and can't be victimised. If you do want to have sex or present yourself as a sex object, it's fine and cool because men don't get called sluts for that. You probably already had mostly/exclusively male friends, and as a man you'll surely fit in even better with them. Men will automatically like and respect you because you're a man too. You'll stick out from other women by not being one.
Loli fantasy:
Become the perfect girl according to porn and porn addicts. Be tiny, thin, and cute, or at least pretend you are but without having to put in any effort. Maybe get into lolita fashion, or those sexy outfits you wanted to wear as a teen but couldn't because your parents wouldn't let you, or maybe nostalgic kids fashion. No matter what, creeps will still simp for you and you'll get a self-esteem boost. Since you're just a little girl, no one expects you to grow up and do hard things, and people will always be willing to excuse your faults. If you've been sexually assaulted before, or had sex you regret, it's now a perfect irreproachable excuse to regress and a defense against any accusations of wrongdoing. If you wanted to have sex but never did, it just reinforces your innocent, virginal nature. And if you want to have sex or present yourself as a sex object now, no one can blame you for that because you're an innocent little girl and anyone who has a problem with you is a perv for noticing. You've probably been mostly/entirely surrounded by male creeps online, so if you appeal to them it will make you really popular. You'll stick out from other women by sinking into depths of depravity that they won't touch.
No. 2593306
>>2593304>>2593203Oh yeah I forgot, also the fetishization of abuse/bdsm either as the male perpetrator or perfect
victim.
No. 2593321
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I feel such deep, intense envy that I’ll never receive or create attacks like this on artfight. There’s this certain clique on af of artists in a sort of circlejerk where they mostly attack each other and a lot of them are adapting to this composition type of style to make it more unique i guess. The style is kind of pretentious but at least it’s interesting to look at. They get tons of attacks so I don’t even want to bother attacking them, drawing all that just for them to attack their friends or lucky people with cuter and more appealing ocs than me.
It kinda kills my motivation in participating in art fight tbh. If I were to start making pieces like this, I don’t want people to catch up on the fact that I’m copying the latest trend. And it would feel forced for me to start doing these too. I thought my attacks were high quality because I try to include detailed backgrounds in mine, and they take a long time for me to do, but seeing these types of attacks makes me feel brutally mogged. So I’m just working my ass off drawing detailed attacks with backgrounds but ms. Zoomer on Twitter is getting more attention and love with these special attacks and has her close friends and followers hyping her up while I barely get 20 likes on the attacks I’ve posted. I hate my life
No. 2593601
>>2593591Nta but why do you say that? Last year nonas in these very art salt threads formed a gamedev discord no problem
>>2156814 and there’s nothing against it in the rules
No. 2593688
>>2593594>It’s part of why deviantart died for example.Nona let's go out back and talk this out. I have a bajillion reasons attributing to the fall of DeviantArt, but
that didn't make it to the checklist. Please elaborate. (I know that was not the focus of your argument)
>>2593653>giving a shit about getting a lot of bad artMaybe I am playing Artfight wrong. If I don't like their OCs (furfags), I don't respond. I get ignored all the time too. Like, shit, why are other artists allowed to ignore us but we have to feel obligated to cater to the ones we show no interest in? You're either an asshole or a rug, and I think one involves getting stepped on less. Hell, I even put on my page that I will likely not bother with counter attacks.
Draw the cool and the cute OCs nona. Be the asshole. But the unreachable artist that is too good for the poopscribbles people throw at you. Or even better, put the same amount of effort into the counter-attacks as the ones you receive. Be free nona.
I don't understand the absolute thirst to receive art, personally. I've gone my entire life being screwed over by art trades so I just assume I'll never get my shit drawn. Is this not the default art mentality? To give for free or get paid money? Nothing else?
No. 2593705
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>>2593688>You're either an asshole or a rug, and I think one involves getting stepped on less.Are you sure about that nona
No. 2593709
>>2593700nta This is a good point. I yield.
>>2593705ayrt You've shaken my foundation and I will not stand for it.
No. 2593717
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Alberto Mielgo, one of the artists behind Love, death, and robot, used to have descriptions for his oil painting portfolio. All of his paintings were the women he slept with. He is so loved in the art community despite being obnoxious. His interviews are just shitty rambling with sex jokes everywhere. He removed the text in his website but they are still accessible on wayback. He removed it around 2021 when the Laura post circulated on twitter.
He tried to push threesome on his two female roommates Paula and Gemma. Alberto reminds me of Terry Richardson who made a coffee table book with photos of girls he’d slept with. I like it when men are open books like this. It’s easy to feed into the ego of men in the art industry and use it against them. sorry repost I forgot to spoiler
No. 2593722
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>>2593717are all creative men like this? talented enough to get away with perverted musings like that one guy on twitter who goes by syzygy
No. 2593731
>>2593688It’s nothing too complicated really.
>early 2000s and 2010s had a lot of families with family computers >kids used the computer, smartphones were not really big yet during this time >deviantart was one of those old internet sites >times passes >less families have family computers >most kids these days only have a tablet and/or phone for their internet usage As for why a lot of households don’t have family computers anymore I’m not too sure, my guess is the price of living has risen a lot so they can’t afford one a modern pc. Because tbf my family pc was not fancy at all, it was the early 2000s so just one of those pcs with a big square monitor.
This was discussed here
>>2553771 No. 2593733
>>2593688>I don't understand the absolute thirst to receive art, personally. I've gone my entire life being screwed over by art trades so I just assume I'll never get my shit drawn. Is this not the default art mentality?I don’t really understand it either anon. Just don’t draw things you’re not interested in, it’s how I operate and assume everyone else does too. Anything else would just be me forcing expectations around receiving and giving a gift which is just rude.
It’s a gift, you can do whatever you want with it after I give it to you. If you like me enough to give a thank you gift back that’s cool but not the expectation. Free yourself of doing anything more and you’ll be happier.
No. 2593740
>>2593688i care because i know what it’s like to be ignored by a popular artist on artfight and it sucks. and i’m trying to keep up a good ratio so i have a good “reputation” in case i ever participate again.
i still feel guilty for never attacking back those people who drew amazingly rendered art of my ocs last year and i cringe thinking about it. i could be one of those artists who attack people for revenge from last year, but if i did that i’d be on a never-ending mission of trying to revenge all these people so i stick with revenging attacks from this year only.
basically i just feel guilty by not attacking back. i am skipping people who have ocs i just can’t vibe with, but i’m still left with a good amount that i can attack.
who knows though, maybe frustration will get to me and i’ll just stall until the event ends. i really hate the feeling of wasting my time, and i’m feeling that a lot when drawing some uggo oc i don’t care about and have no joy in drawing. i’m pissed off because there’s so many things i would prefer to be doing and drawing but it feels like i’m trapped kek
No. 2593760
>Tif woman has ocs
>They're always men who are shaped like an inverted triangle, long and Sharp/edgy faces, smug expression with dark circles, the teeth are pointy, ofc gay and their partner is someone exactly like them just with a scruffy beard or a short, very thin guy that looks dirty, with spiky hair, same smug/tired expression and yellow teeth.
Do you know that pic that triangulates tif art into yaoi shit, weird uncanny chopper animals and ugly men? This is also a very weird combo, I thought that I knew strange people but the TF2/Overwatch chara design is too popular with tifs and I wonder why do they like it so fucking much but I know that I despise those designs, to me it's like seeing the Shadman/Slugbox equivalent for women, it's a kind of slop style that makes everything look dirty but no sane woman likes that, I wonder why tifs cant do nice art for the life of them and I'm not talking about the characters being conventionally pretty, even their color choices are ugly and muddy with toxic waste colors mixed with yellow and/or brown filters, it's like they learn a totally esclusive artstyle and die with it.
No. 2593767
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>>2593717He was also pushing hard to make the child, Peni Parker, look like The Witness (LD&R) femc. Which if you haven't seen is pure fetish bait.
No. 2593774
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>>2593767She looks more like a Punchline but loli rip off, why is she wearing Joker make up?
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Finally, people are starting to catch on. Took long enough
No. 2593792
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>>2593767Sometimes the guys feel like self inserts. He may be recycling the same idea for the penni design. Photos are him in 2019 when the witness came out. The project on bottom left is from 2021
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>>2593767>>2593792Oh gross i realized he gave her the same stripper heels as the witness. I dont know penni’s character other than she is a kid. I guess when they were creating her she was probably a teen but she looks very young
No. 2593822
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>>2593821https://x.com/Silicon65/status/1942100976275529950?t=gi2nUMarSEAnB1HbuPuHsQ&s=19Ayrt, looking through the replies and qrts there's only like 2 trolls defending him. Other lolifags are just asking for proof and that's it. Op and the other people seem to suck at providing proof because they (understandably) don't want mossa's snuff porn in their media tabs. Hate it when people suck at providing proof online especially when they're in the right because it makes everyone else look like idiots.
As for OP being a farmer, maybe she's crypto or something but I doubt it. I doubt we're the only people on the internet to know of this.
No. 2593831
>>2593740Don’t know if that helps, but if you feel like you’re wasting your time, maybe approach art fight like a challenge on your skills. Even with the ugliest or most boring OCs, I find it fun to try and find a ‘hook’ for my drawing of them, or maybe use it as an opportunity to get experimental or draw a background etc etc
You seem pretty popular so I assume you have a pretty unique art style, and I’d consider it a fun challenge to adapt an unappealing character into something appealing in your art style.
No. 2593832
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>>2593821samefag, he just privated kek. Are more people discovering his gross art? It means he's fully aware and guilty of it. Can anyone translate the tweets in the second image?
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>>2593832Ran it through Google Translate. I wonder who that one person might be (unless it's a translation error)
No. 2593837
>>2593831Another thing you could do is give yourself a timer, say 20 minutes, and see what you can get done in that time. And then you don’t have to think about those attacks again
Also speaking as someone who’s done full rendered pieces with backgrounds for people who didn’t revenge me back, I really don’t mind. I was inspired by their OCs and just having their reaction and seeing them enjoy my art was enough to make me happy! It’s probably the same for the people who went out of their way to draw your characters in complex or detailed ways, so you don’t have to feel guilty for not attacking back.
No. 2593845
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>>2593825>>2593841Clearly he doesn't afraid of getting caught by the police if he's posting photos of himself and even streets of his city. I'm not sure if it breaks the rules if he posted those photos himself? Censored in case
No. 2593859
>>2593831>>2593837thank you for the advice nona. i try to make my attacks have something more than a blank white background which is why im compelled to draw in bgs, even 20 minutes for a piece with no background is probably too little for me kek. an attack of mine must take at least 2 or 3 hours minimum and me getting distracted all the time because of low motivation must be why im so miserable this year.
glad to hear how you feel about attacks, guess I’m different because i take it too personally if an artist doesn’t revenge me back sometimes and end up overthinking too much
No. 2593877
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>>2593862I'll bite the bullet and post as much info as I can, if mods delete this for being too graphic or something I understand.
Link to mossa's drawing:
https://baraag.net/@cannibalism/103397948373760086Sylvia Likens case description:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sylvia_LikensIf you don't want to unspoiler (I censored it a little), here's a description:
it's a drawing of Vicky from Fairly Odd parents after being abused physically and sexually. Note the writing on her stomach ("I'M A PROSTITUTE AND PROUD OF IT"), exactly the same as the case. There is also an empty coke bottle that's implied to have been shoved up Vicky's vagina (again just like in the case). There are some extra details in the drawing that also match up like her having had cigarettes put out on her and the extra doodles on her stomach like the letter S near her chest that looks like a 3 and the little triangle at the end, the latter of which he could have only pulled directly from autopsy pics of Likens's corpse since I don't think it's mentioned anywhere else (feel free to correct me). Everything matches up with the case, it's impossible for it to be a coincidence.
No. 2593885
>>2593881Samefagging because i'm lazy to deleted, actually better put it in ghostarchive because you need to click on the spoiler image to see it and it's impossible to do it in archive.ph
>>2593882Context?
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It's been a few hours after mossa was confronted with that gross drawing and he still don't give a fuck and retweets things on his second account as if nothing happened
>>2593979He still draws explicit lolishit on his fanbox while being in Korea, is he just don't care or lacks self-awareness?
No. 2594003
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>>2593999Mossa's followers has been significantly dropping in just 4 hours but it won't affect him that much. Was it because of sugargoat's tweet or there's more viral tweets from other people saying the same thing?
No. 2594015
>>2593904>>2593979>>2593999>>2594003please discuss this cow in the relevant thread
>>>/snow/2121249continued discussion of this cow here will be considered off-topic
No. 2594043
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>>2593594If that's true why are so many "farmers" on Roblox?
>most of the userbase are oldfags who will stick around until the site’s death, and growth will remain mostly stagnantMate, there's like three oldfags left. Gen alpha found soyjak party I'm sure we're not that hard to find. FFS we had children talking about Sprunki not long ago kek
No. 2594456
complaining about social media post number 77487487348 but i feel like the way i'm approaching social media is bordering on self harm. i draw artwork i hate for a fandom i hate and it gets no reaction and it stresses me out so bad I can't sleep. i'm drawing in a shitty anime style because i thought it would be more approachable and interesting for people, and nobody cares. i post something in a style i love that i put a ton of time into and it does even worse and hurts even more. i hate forcing myself to open socials and fake engagement, i hate every second i have the app open and i hate interacting with people just to please the algo. i feel so anxious every time i have to open the app at all. my media tab is so inconsistent because I keep throwing shit at the wall and nothing is sticking and i end up deleting stuff that doesn't hit my target, which is like an embarrassingly low bar at this point. I force myself to draw different trends and ships I don't care about and memes, i just want to draw my ocs in my style, experiment, put in time and effort, and have people say they like my art, but nobody is going to give a fuck if I don't have a following first, and somehow along the way i started doing shit to get any sliver of attention. when i get numbers it's always a meme post that makes me feel like a souless attention seeker, people who started behind me are way ahead of me now and flourishing in numbers and engagement with their regular non meme drawings, but even on my posts that do well i only get like one or two comments. I have no idea what i'm doing wrong and whether i should keep trying with this soul sucking fandom shit i don't care about or if i should draw what i like and then feel like trash when nobody cares. sage for mental breakdown
No. 2594517
>>2594504i'm in a massive fandom and have made a lot of friends throughout the 15+ years i've been there, but this year something snapped and I can't stand it anymore. i care mostly because i'm still trapped in this community and people i know in it are becoming successful, so it feels in part like i still have to play along, but really i just want people outside my immediate fandom circlejerk to enjoy my artwork and say they like it, whether it's fandom or not. My heart is not in this series anymore but it's been such a big part of my life for so long that it's hard to pivot, so I'm just pretending i still care.
I did do commissions, i absolutely loathed every second of them, I don't reach out or leave comments to people anymore. I have a medium sized following left over on socials that i thought would be enough of a safety net to coast along, but it was because of memes and now that i've tried serious stuff it's stagnated hard. It's mostly just anxiety over falling behind people in my circle who are doing well and draw stuff in this fandom because they care about it, and get lots of responses from people because it's a shared interest.
No. 2594527
>>2594493>>2594517>it's basically the only thing I care about>i draw artwork i hate for a fandom i hate>i hate forcing myself to open socials and fake engagement, i hate every second i have the app open and i hate interacting with people just to please the algo.Stop all this self-flagellation, stop pretending you're beholden to some algorithm. Do you like drawing or do you like asspats? Truly get comfy being an OCfag drawing in your little digital fiefdom by your lonesome. Once you get the stench of desperation off of you, then you might get lucky and attract one or two like-minded OCfags and become friends. A single digit number of friends/fans who can actually name and give a shit about your OCs is vastly superior to whatever fans you gather algo-chasing, 90% of those people are just looking for art for whatever fotm shit they're obsessed with before they drop it and move on to next month's shiny new thing. You can't cultivate a good audience like that if your true goal is to gather people who give a shit about
your art and
your OCs.
I don't know who told you that it's as simple as amassing an audience with fandom shit and doing a bait and switch, because it really isn't. 99% of OC artists will be obscure even if their OCs are cool and interesting. Anyone who appears to have done a bait and switch with success are just artists who got lucky and happened to appeal to some demographic's zeitgeist and don't believe anyone who says it's easy to capture a zeitgeist, moids are especially prone to thinking this is something you can just calculate and capitalize on. Most of the time, whatever tropes and aesthetics you personally find compelling about your OCs will not be compelling to the vast majority of internet goers and that's fine. It doesn't (necessarily) mean your work is shit, it just means you didn't win the fickle internet lottery. You need to relearn how to enjoy drawing again, because you clearly forgot if external validation is so important to you.
No. 2594529
>>2594517It might be time to move on, find a new fandom or focus on your OCs.
It doesn’t sound like art is your career so I don’t understand why you’re so obsessed with gaming the algorithm like that. Draw stuff you wanna draw and stuff you’re proud of.
If you want to pivot to another fandom, you might be surprised it could net you a bunch of followers and a wave of new people and make it feel fun to talk to new people and engage more etc. If you want to pivot to OCs, they probably will be much less popular but at least you will be drawing stuff that is 100% your own. And who knows! Sometimes OCs get super popular too.
but I think the best would be to do as other nonnas suggested and take a break from social media and only share your art with yourself or close friends. I’ve been doing that for a few years and I overall feel much more happy and fulfilled with my art now that I don’t have to think about likes and followers and other peoples judgment.
No. 2594541
>>2594456>but nobody is going to give a fuck if I don't have a following first Ackshually, that's when fandom artists start pissing followers is when they pivot towards original content. If you don't start off doing that, you run the risk. Definitely find something you enjoy or you'll
look like a fandom hopper. Additionally, if you want comments and the like, just use Tumblr. Join Communities, use generalized tags, (i.e. monster boy, centuar, werewolf, cyberpunk, etc) that describe your characters, put yourself out there differently. Comment on other artist aoCs, be genuine. You don't want to uphold a façade forever because of what you're feeling right now! Being honest with how you are (keep your anti-trans or anti-male stances to yourself though kek) will.make your behavior more consistent and reliable. Use tumblr's queue to post reliably throughout the week, etc.
I believe in you
nonny. If I can do it, so can you. Lose yourself in your own world and fall in love again with the trade.
No. 2594587
>>2594575I mean the Holly and RacistUncle sperging stopped for the most part when they got their respective threads, it's par for the course and basic etiquette. It, like
>>2594580 said, is barely even new milk either, how many times does everyone needs to hear about the Vicky Turner art my god some of you are worse than Kiwifags.
No. 2594602
>>2594580Nta but
>old milkThat callout and him drawing a scene from a actual rape case is new milk since when is discussing updates about artcows not milk? And also why are you dead set on not discussing him because "it won't do good at all!" Duh retard you're on a gossip site
No. 2594608
>>2594593NTA
>half this thread is seething about art fight and complaining Hmm, might be the same reason that's nearly full after less than a month, gee wonder what time it is.
>mossa finally got cancelledYou are naive. He is acting like every one of his ilk, he'll be back in a week or two.
>>2594602Anon I've seen that art like at least five fucking times on this site in the past three years, it gets annoying after a certain point. It's also a six year old drawing iirc and he's drawn a lot more disgusting shit since but sure let's talk about the same drawing and have have the exact same reactions and conversations about it over and over until heat death.
No. 2594620
>>2594615Idk about you guys but both the artfight salt and mossa posts belong here. Like that one nona said, it’s so annoying when other nonas start bitching at people posting art related salt and news in the…art salt general. What even is the point of this thread if you want to bitch at everything posted here. I’d rather have news about infamous cows posted in one place instead of it being spread across several threads I’m not going to bother waste my time visiting.
And it’s literally art fight month so it’s expected for nonas to post their petty bitching here. Personal art related thoughts and gossip is the reason why I visit these threads
No. 2594624
>>2594456a bit unrelated to your vent but i also felt like this for a while, i kept changing my art style, chasing whatever was trendy, trying to make a persona and only got to like 30 likes on average after a whole year, i hated drawing for a while until i deleted social media and kept my drawings to myself
it was just like when i used to draw with friends and share our ocs, getting that feeling of actually enjoying drawing again felt great
No. 2594639
>>2594625ntayr and i also liked the nsfw milk but sadly that thread is already made, i cant believe mods allowed a thread like that since half the milk was just reposts from here or the bad fetish art thread, the point of a thread on /snow/ was to milk active cows and talk about multiple ones if its a general but that thread is a month old and just has old milk and reposts, the only active cow seems to be mossa
wont take it to /meta/ because its more of a salty complaint rather than a "fuck jannies"
fuck the retards that keep insisting on this thread being used for like 2/3 things and only that tbh
No. 2594755
>>2594741in my side i love sending silly doodles of things they like to people that react to them on twitter. the concept of being in someone's mind at least for 1 minute when they're doodling on strawpage is nice.
>>2594615>Considering how more interesting topics got their own thread, i dont know why artfight faggots dont make their own containment already.why do we need more threads when one works just fine and why do we need a thread about a YEARLY event?
No. 2594802
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>>2594765they made a whole game about why you shouldn't trust these fuckwads.
No. 2594815
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Not sure if this fits the scope of the thread but I thought this article was interesting and that nonnies would like it:
https://femfederation.substack.com/p/an-argument-against-the-female-nude-40cIt's about how modern culture strips away the erotic and prurient intent behind the tradition of 'artistic nudes'. I think it's on topic given all the discussion about creepy male artists who hide behind 'artistry' as a fig leaf for their perversions.
No. 2594856
>>2594765>>2594795Found the post. His name is Michael Donovan
>>2594802He was mentioned in comments. I thought he was based off the guy in Hard Candy
>>2594815Imagine what the new normal will be with all the rampant porn addictions?
No. 2594877
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>>2594856>Imagine what the new normal will be with all the rampant porn addictions?you can already see it with doja cat, nikki minaj,sabrina carpenter,etc. What was playboy centerfold worthy a few years ago is now allowed to be in the cover of the rolling stones. It's interesting to see the evolution of the playboy cover, at first it was safe for work in all aspects, and mostly featured the bunny mascot in more artistic, cartoony compositions, as playboy started to normalize pornography the covers became more and more raunchy, the bunny mascot that was featured in all of the early 50s playboy covers was replazed with borderline naked women that in the first years were only reserved for the inside of the magazine. I wish we had more radfem video essayists(rip runawaysiren) i would love to see a comprehensive documentary on how pornography and the sexualization of women became normalized through the years.
No. 2594930
>>2594912I did want to add on it was still at the expense of women but I thought I was being too wordy. That's why I hate a lot of "sex work as empowerment" brainwash.
>>2594879Jefferson is only one comment no one replied to
>>2594910I wouldn't be surprised if Mielgo was inspired by creepyyeha who he follows on instagram. Her work mainly involves chokers, latex, and leather. Similar to the characters in the witness. I hate having to delete and repost every time I have a new realization. Most of Mielgo's art is based on women he slept with. Checked his account, he follows a few models and the asian ones are all Korean. He does have a lot of connections so he probably met and followed them online. I don't know if I am all over the place since the witness is set in Hong Kong, not Korea. Can't say for the other artists in LDR. I understand being uncomfortable because there are very few normal healthy white male asian female couples. The men are usually parasites and pedophiles. Every asian women encountering these guys know
No. 2594977
>>2594456I absolutely know how you feel nona.
>started my digital art journey on social media again years ago, only drawing fanart>it was mostly kpop then genshin>i used hashtags and asked those daily/hourly character genshin twitter pages to rt my work, my art would perform pretty well>most of my following are fandom people because of this, shocker >but my main goal was always to create original content and characters >when I thought I had a pretty good number of followers, I would post original art and it would flop horribly >get embarrassed, stick to drawing fandom art again>get influx of new followers >become hopeful and think maybe this time people will care about my oc content >post original work, it still flops >cycle repeats again >but also this time, try drawing art of other fandoms i don’t normally draw>those also don’t really perform well because the fans of those fandoms don’t follow me>slowly learn that fandom shitheads will simply not care about anything except for the fandom they followed you for, especially not original content I became very bitter and hated my own followers for being so abrasive. Understand that these people probably don’t care about you as an artist nor your art, they just care about the famous series you draw and will consume any slop that draws for it. Those were very dark times kek, I definitely felt trapped and I couldn’t progress. I wanted to grow as an artist and drawing fandom slop forever seemed like hell, but as you said, it’s like nothing else will get your likes on socmed.
So here’s what I did. I just kept drawing oc content more and more, and I eventually stopped drawing fanart altogether. If you kept gaining followers when you drew fanart, then somewhere along the way, you should have at least made some artist mutuals that do like your art genuinely. Back in my fandom days, some surprising people followed me along my journey, they were somewhat famous to very famous artists. So yes, keep drawing oc content. Your average likes will decrease, and your follower count will also go down. That’s important to me, it feels good having fandom people fuck off from my account. I could not tell you how bad it felt when you have like 7k followers but only get less than 20 likes on non-fanart posts. It felt so inorganic, the following count definitely did not reflect the like count.
And recently I’ve been caring about
when I post. I used to never care and would post late night or early early morning because my sleep schedule is fucked up, and I’d wonder why my posts kept flopping. So I decided to stick to posting in the afternoon. I live in America and I assume most of my followers are American, I try to post at a time where kids would be out from school in all timezones in my country. During this time, it’s late night for Europe and Asia is waking up. I think it works best for me, I don’t really want to try other times right now, but my art did have an increase in likes when I started caring about when to post.
A trick to test this is to rt a viral art post and see how many of your followers like it, so you don’t have to post anything. When I rt a viral art tweet in the early morning or late night, I’ll get no notifications or just 2 at most of my followers liking it. Meanwhile when I rt something during the afternoon or late afternoon, I remember like 11 of my followers will like it. It just shows how many of your followers are online at the moment, so this all depends on what region most of your followers are from, try to figure that out and start posting in the afternoon in their timezone. If you don’t know, you could try those third party apps that tell you which country they’re from on Twitter.
Anyway when I stopped drawing genshin, my followers on Instagram went from like 12k to 8k kek. And it still hasn’t really improved, ig is really dead to me for some reason. But I’ve been drawing oc content for about two years now so most of my followers on all social media are familiar with it, the ones that still stayed know that’s what I do now. Purging fandomheads by constantly drawing non fanart stuff is important. You will keep the followers that you need, the ones that will still like your content even if you change. And creating some sort of relationship with other artist mutuals is important too, especially any famous ones or ones that are rising stars. Try to like and rt their stuff often, people will remember you in their notifications. I sort of became close with this girl and always liked her art, left comments sometimes, and she had around 10k followers and now she has 21k.
Almost forgot to mention that it’s important your art is actually appealing and cute, especially if you have oc content, because I made sure my media tab was good looking before following other oc centered accounts. Pray that they follow you back, im pretty sure this was how I made a lot of mutuals. And that’s how I made my followers care about oc content and broke free from the fandom curse. I actually think that my popular mutuals liking my art helps boost me in the algorithm because your timeline likes showing art that people you follow like, so if they like your art, it exposes it to their followers too on their tl. I pay attention to who likes my art and I’ve seen giga popular artists like it, and when I check their profile I see that they’re mutuals with my mutual.
tldr:
>market yourself as an oc account and try to create mutuals with others>be mindful of what time is best to post your art to maximize reach This post is real long sorry, but I wanted to add one last thing.
>have a side account where I completely copy every account this artist is following and follow them all too so I can see what their timeline looks like, as in I will follow every 1k account on my side account that they’re following (I know, kinda weird it’s a long story, I was basically nosy)>most of these accounts are other popular successful artists, industry professionals, etc >when I visit another artist’s page, they usually have at least a couple followers I know following them >even small artists with less than 1k followers too>but when I checked my own page, there were ZERO people following me That was honestly such a wake up call. I spent all those years collecting these followers from drawing kpop and genshin fanart, I thought I was on the right track but it was so disheartening to learn that zero “respectable” artists followed me. It was honestly embarrassing. Remember that this can be the following base you cultivate if you stay drawing fandom stuff forever.
I should’ve known earlier tbh, when I checked my likes and it was just filled with kpopfags and gachafags, and no “storyboard artist at Sony animations || she/her || [portfolio link] || please do not repost!” type of bios kek.
No. 2595015
>>2594957I mostly draw directly from references while doing warm-ups and studies, and am a bit looser when actually sitting down to make a piece (depending on the complexity of poses or the environment etc– if there's a lot going on or I need to be specific, then I draw from reference more), as I want to see how far I can get with what I've learned. I mostly use random photos or clips from films/sport/whatever, but I also keep a mirror for expression references and if an action is very specific than I film or photograph myself or a friend doing it kek. It sounds goofy, but imo actually going through the motion of a pose or action can help you understand the anatomy of it all, and help all that study of muscles make more concrete sense.
On a more general study and practice note, I have done some life drawing classes, definitely recommend if you can find any in your area to take, especially if they're not 100% self-directed and have someone teaching to help you improve your technique and observational skills. Whenever I'm going to be sitting around for a while out in public (eg on train, at cafe, etc) I sketch people around me, and I try to go to places where I can sketch different animals such as zoos or aquariums when I can (though a park with dogs is also good
and free), and I go hiking to find environmental stuff to sketch/paint. Basically, try to draw from life as much as you can, it's extremely helpful for all areas of art.
No. 2595105
>>2592483I was never interested in these generic cutesy fgc artists and I think this pretty much summed it up. It's so obvious that they don't play the games when their art lacks any and all personality. Reminds me of shunao slop.
>>2593088This OC was made for her loli incest fetish btw. She once lashed out at another artist calling her a whore amongst other insane accusations just because she was jealous of her success. Wanted to like her but the mental illness and fetish shit was too much. And of course the moids who orbited her were a bunch of gendie weirdos. So glad I jumped ship when I did.
No. 2595120
>>2594970>>2594976>>2595015Thanks for the input, guys. I know a lot of artists that wonder why they never have any improvement yet are allergic to using references. I huff them like they're crack whenever I can, though AI results in search engines and photoshooped fashion drawings have made me resort to porn and sports as references for the human body.
> mostly draw directly from references while doing warm-ups and studies, and am a bit looser when actually sitting down to make a piece (depending on the complexity of poses or the environment etc– if there's a lot going on or I need to be specific, then I draw from reference more), as I want to see how far I can get with what I've learned. I mostly use random photos or clips from films/sport/whatever, but I also keep a mirror for expression references and if an action is very specific than I film or photograph myself or a friend doing it kek. It sounds goofy, but imo actually going through the motion of a pose or action can help you understand the anatomy of it all, and help all that study of muscles make more concrete sense.This right here is a great explanation of how I utilize references. However, photobashing and adjusting photos is an interesting approach. I'm still open to more input.
The main motivation behind this is knowing a lot of people saynit's "cheating" No. 2595361
>>2595344you just have to accept it is not the same. Digital is its own medium with its own feel that you just have to practice.
Its like switching from oils to watercolors and wondering why does it feel weird. Your mileage in traditional doesn't mean you won't need to adjust to the new medium.
No. 2595390
>>2595361Yes, I know it’s not the same but it was surprising how long it took (and still takes) for me to adapt, and also I saw people complaining negatively and comparing procreate (which I use on the ipad) to other drawing apps that are exclusive to computers. So maybe its easier to adapt to other ways of digital drawing than the ipad.
>>2595363Yeah I feel like that too. If you don’t mind me asking, why are you using the ipad and also the wacom?
>>2595369Nope, have you? Did you like it? It’s a good idea
No. 2595578
>>2595099no i get it, it’s just soul crushing when the artwork you spent so much hours and passion on gets met with 10-20 likes at most on social media. and it’s even worse when you see others (especially ones who don’t even have that many followers, or less than you) get so much love and traction on theirs. like why is the account with 1k followers getting more likes and comments than me, the 9k followers account? people barely comment on my stuff and leave likes, this was due to the mistake of trying to draw for fandoms i ultimately don’t care about. i’m left with a husk of an account with 80% of my followers that don’t care about my art.
it’s not like i don’t like art. it’s my favorite thing in the whole world and it’s my entire life. i just wish i had a personal group of artist friends where we could geek out together with our art. and i know the feeling when your art finally receives the attention and recognition i’ve always sought for during the rare moments my art does perform well, it’s as amazing as i thought it would be and i always remember that feeling and will be chasing that high forever.
the fact that there’s artists out there who experience this feeling every time they post…to me, they’re some of the luckiest people in the world
No. 2595579
>>2594977Just wanted to say I loved your post, read the whole thing. It resonated with me deeply. Especially the part where
>seeing the numbers go DOWN made me happy>"Your average likes will decrease, and your follower count will also go down. That’s important to me, it feels good having fandom people fuck off from my account."When I was younger I thought the only way to become popular was to make fanart. But it would betray who I really am- someone who wants to make her own series.
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>>2595579Exactly nona, the change will be hard but if you keep going things will eventually change for the better.
I wanted to add that if you truly don’t have a decent or big sized followerbase, you can still keep drawing fanart just enough for you get a good “starting point” number. I’m not confident that this trick would work if you barely have any followers, because unfortunately it’s kinda impossible to start blowing up on social media like twitter as a new account unless you’re crazy lucky. And some of the followers you make while creating fanart are the type that will always stick and support you. At the very least, you should be seeing an increase in followers every year even if at a slow rate. Just keep going and you’ll get closer to a stage you want. It’s been kinda bleak for me for years but this year I’ve finally been closer to becoming the type of art page I want, I get more likes on my original content than I’ve gotten before!
I can’t deny that luck also has been a factor. I’ve made some nice artist mutuals along the years and kinda found a niche subgroup where my posts perform well I guess. So when you find yours, our next goal would be to break out of this niche.
Also I didn’t mention this but you can also try drawing famous artist’s ocs and tagging them, there’s so many who like rting those. Yes it can be clout chasy but it’s another way of exposure. You can delete all these drawings and low effort memes from your media tab once you start “making it” kek, I’ve cleared out my media tab so many times.
I wish you good luck nona, like I said this feeling can be very hopeless and bleak but you just need to keep drawing. You’ll be at different stages every year and you’ll slowly move further away from fandoms I promise
No. 2595660
>>2595099>>2595459>>2595620Oop of social media post, but I'm glad to see that I'm not alone with all this, and thank you for all your advice and encouraging other nonnas as well. I know i'm a number obsessed retard but it's what i needed to hear since I know here is the only place where people won't sugarcoat it.
Part of it is also like, i live alone in a shitty foreign country in a shitty job and all my irl friends are overseas, so I'm online all the time surrounded by these autist art mutuals who i have no interest in socializing with and i really don't care about, but I don't have anyone else rn. When i'm hanging out with people irl it's like I don't care about social media or fandom anymore and it's a huge weight off my shoulders. I know once i get out of this situation it'll be a lot easier to finally step away and i want to live life in the real world and forget about all these annoying fandom people and the fake world on a screen. i don't give a fuck about them but they're all i have and so i get caught up in trying to keep up with them. I'm definitely jealous of all the attention they get on their fandom drawings but also the time they seem to have to draw and how much they're able to. I get like 2 hours a day to draw something start to finish if i'm lucky and dont have a shit ton of chores to do and sleep to catch up on, so i end up trying to draw things for validation because the rest of my life is so ass. What i really want to be doing is grinding skills, working hard on ambitious pieces for a long time, and just have someone say they like my art for its skill, not because fandom woman hot. I hate feeling like i have to to post every day like i see some of them do and be stuck in low tier fandom circles. What
>>2594977 said about having respectable artists follow you was really eye opening because i realized I wanted to be in that kind of league and not wallowing around in small time fandom fame fishing for attention and comments from random scrote accounts. I just wish i had enough time to do that, this job is genuinely killing me.
No. 2595951
>>2595921I was never too big on it either but I can understand why it’s so popular, that and because he draws porn which automatically gives you more followers.
It’s unfortunate that a lot of pedos have art styles that I like, but hey at least I can copy them kek
No. 2596064
>>2595899I'm not sure this is good advice if only because a similar enough art style means the likelihood of gaining degen followers is much higher. If a person likes this loli artist and finds another artist with a very similar art style they may be more inclined to follow especially if the subject matter seems similar enough on the surface. It's something that I've noticed come up across all these threads, a
nonny will complain about the people that follow her and they make an offhand comment about their influences and well . . .
No. 2596121
>>2593767He wasn't trying to make her look like the witness girl when I looked into it. He said he was hired around 2015 as the only person working on concepts for spider verse. For he few months he was alone working on storyboards and designs. The one he posted is likely the first ever designs for her before being fleshed out. Still doesn't excuse how young she looks with the stripper heels and outfit. They liked his concepts and hired a full team. He got fired two years later by Sony for "technical and style discrepancies. He 100% repurposed Penni's design into the witness in 2018/2019
>>2593802 here
No. 2596126
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I am trying to steer away from anime same face and i would like to learn how to make fun and interesting designs like picrel or Monster. My problem is that i don't know where to get the inspiration, as dumb as that sound. I always end up making copies of already existing characters instead of making my own.
No. 2596140
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>>2596126learn from real faces and stylize them yourself instead of copying from other cartoonists
This book is really good, learn the structure so you can bend it and twist it how you like.
No. 2596147
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>>2596140Thanks, i do that. That books is great. I meant i dont want to copy, i just want to come up with original designs. I dont feel comfortable stealing people's likeness to make a character.
>>2596138With the faces. Whenever i come up with something in my head it's always derivative of something else. Yesterday i was drawing a character and when i finished i realized she looked exactly like a younger version of Ippo's mom, picrel. It's like i cannot imagine my own designs.
No. 2596154
>>2596147Depending on how simplified your art style is it can be hard to make faces look distinct. Maybe focus on designing the parts of a face separately and then bringing them together. Like draw a bunch of different eye designs, a bunch of different eyebrow designs, different noses and mouth shapes and then experiment with copying and pasting all the elements onto a black face template.
You should also save more hair references to go back to, hair matters a lot.
No. 2596194
>>2596064It doesn’t always necessarily mean the faces from pedomoid’s style I guess. It can be how they render skin, clothes, their linework, etc.
>they make an offhand comment about their influences and well . . .Does this mean a nona would admit to being influenced by a pedo’s art style? Or a random commenter would say “hey, this style reminds me of [pedo]’s artwork!” and she would get exposed?
No. 2596289
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Nonas who take commissions, how do you deal with people who send you gross porn, animal abuse and illegal content on your business email? Is there any restriction settings to prevent them from sending this stuff? I never done commissions but now I'm scared. I would literally faint if some sick fuck send me animal torture video
No. 2596352
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I've been getting angry while drawing lately, like full on moid-playing-league level, which doesn't sound very healthy. It'd be fine if I was putting out passionate masterpieces as a result, but it's just turds. I literally get worse and worse everyday.
Guess that guy who said you need to be in a perfectly calm state while drawing to make anything good was right, but thing is, I can be absolutely chill until I sit down to draw. I draw something hideous, like actually kindergartener level, erase, try again, same result, repeat and that's how rage builds.
I'm not a beginner at all, I've been drawing for years (including seriously, with studies and all) that's why it's so upsetting. I should be above prebeg scribbles with no confidence or sense of form, but I'm not. And I'm not getting any better, even though I draw every day. It hasn't been like this before.
This is art block, right? What do you do with this? I feel like the obvious answer is "take a break", but I'm afraid that'll put me back even more.
No. 2596387
>>2596302>Does online networking require socialization Yes.
>if I have to socialize, do I have to fake my interest to get people to like meYes.
No. 2596502
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>>2596126nonna im a cartoonist so its slightly different, but i make a chart of a bunch of features. im too autistic to come up with them on the spot when designing a character, but having the chart helps me keep things unique. obviously picrel is a very simplified version of what i do. It would probably even work if you just write down words, like Eyes: Large, Small, Upturned, Downturned, Face: Skinny, Long, Chubby, Round ETC. Just knowing my options kinda helps for some reason. And obviously results from the chart are just like, a starting place.
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Seeing this one artist that clearly traces the 3D models in CSP get attention is driving me to want to alog. Not going to, but god it's tempting. I have her blocked but my mutuals seem to love this shit still.
No. 2596747
>>2596743You're jealous of… 44 notes?
>traces the 3D models in CSPWhy is this an issue for you?
No. 2596763
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>>2596743You are very funny or you need help kek
No. 2596789
>>2596743>>2596770NTA
I mean sure you can vent your salt but we can also comment on it and say it's stupid kek. Tracing 3D models on Clip Studio is the least of all art offenses, the models are there for exactly that. It's like being angry that someone is using stamp brushes.
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>>2596800
nta but her post was this. what is up with these interaction obsessed dumbasses these days? i just scrolled through that artist's account too and nearly all of her art is sub 50 notes. i can't imagine blowing blood vessels over shit like this. these people seriously need to reevaluate why they make art.
No. 2596932
>>2596502So basically like a picrew kek?
I’ve actually thought about making a picrew to generate different types of side characters. And you could make different picrew for specific body types too, so they can be divided into categories. Because if you tried putting all these different body types and face shapes in one picrew, the random button would create a lot of weird Frankenstein results
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I had a real conversation with some old ass coworker who insists digital art isn't real art because "the computer does all the work" and you "cant apply it to real world applications" comparing me to our other coworker that could use the airbrush and her daughter that oil-paints.
No. 2597157
>>2597131Silly
nonny incels only hurt women and trannies only care when moid's feefees are hurt.
No. 2597204
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I just found a fucking TRANNY SKELETON on Artfight
https://artfight.net/character/7400161.mort"Resurrected by an evil wizard 10 years after her untimely death, Mort has decided to live the way she never got to. Every night, Mort lovingly records the events of her day in her diary; grocery trips, visits to the local tree nursery, bubble baths, her plant purchase of the day. To an outsider, her life may look boring, but to Mort, simple comforts are more than she could ever ask for."
Yes, because being a woman = bubble baths, grocery store trips, and teehee plant collecting!! (50 bucks it's succulents)
No. 2597230
>>2597228*I'm just clarifying that a mod said that misogyny isn't allowed on Artfight.
Sorry I can't type t onite, bren dyink
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>>2597204it looks like a wannarexic avoiding proana allegations by just putting those outfits on a literal skeleton as the logical conclusion lmao
edit: well tbh just the right outfit with the socks, the other two are baggy and don't show off the physique
No. 2597238
>>2597228Repeating this
That would be like saying people shouldn’t be allowed to upload their villain characters because murder is wrong.
This is such a non-issue
No. 2597250
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>>2597245Picrel. And it's "not your personal army, faggot", get it right.
No. 2597255
>>2597252>>2597250And this is why I'm wondering how specific the rules are here kek Aside from mentioning that reports on
Artfight aren't anonymous, I was genuinely curious what would make anons mad about. Especially since it was in reference to a genre of character but not a specific user. Akin to the whole Mossa thing.
>>2597253nta I was thinking the same thing. How far can you get with an extremely racist character (like a human version of Frieza from DBZ using the same "monkey" slur), while having a clean profile?
No. 2597257
>>2597250It's still a call to action even if justified in your eyes, if anons said they wanted to report all the 4channers obviously griefing it'd be the same.
>>2597252>"I heard from a mod that misogyny isn't allowed on Artfight, and it should continue to be reported.">in a conversation about wanting to report incel OCsI hate those OCs myself, but trying to encourage doing so will get anons and random people banned. Artfight mods are also slimey weasels so you can't expect them to do anything good or not be hypocrites.
No. 2597279
>>2597257If you or any anon here is afraid of getting banned while using artfight then cut your losses and stop using it.
And if you're so afraid of one
triggered person announcing shit about artfight that can possibly get you and other people in trouble then you shouldn't be discussing this shit in the first place here. People have already discussed covert ways to show you are gc there's already enough reason for some random lurker to start whining to mods to ban people.
No. 2597285
>>2597279So you think it's easier to comb through 1.4 million users for subtle gc dog whistles than searching for an influx of similar reports on similar or the same character profiles and users?
>If you or any anon here is afraid of getting banned while using artfight then cut your losses and stop using it.This doesn't impact me at all because I don't use it outside of dummy accounts for personal cow milk. I just want anons to stop being stupid.
>>2597276There really isn't.
No. 2597286
>>2597218>>2597224>>2597228Nonas, for the last time incel characters are allowed on af. There’s no rule that disbars them, what’s not allowed are country ball characters, characters based off nazis, etc. Did any of you actually read the rules?
When they say misogyny isn’t allowed, they’re talking about not being a ~bigot~, which includes the usual transphobia racism homophobia brigade. And if you actually looked at these incel characters being uploaded, they’re pretty much just the product of a girl’s wet dream fantasy of her ideal nerd type lmao. Barely any of them have the balls to actually create a character who hates women because it would be too
problematic for them to write about.
This is so fucking stupid I don’t even know why we’re arguing about it, maybe you’re just baiting and im too retarded to realize. If you want to ban people for misogyny then why not try reporting the accounts of the several /ic/ moids who’ve openly been sharing their profile links in their thread lol.
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>>2597286this one's photo is literally him choking a woman
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with these tags
No. 2597301
>>2597296Am I speaking in runes? My point has been pretty fucking consistent. There's no point in continuing clearly, I hope every
nonnie has a good day.
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>>2597289has anyone noticed some characters are from an entire franchise or an existing person. The Incel tag has criminals/murderers disguised as ocs. This is literally Richard Ramirez. The Incel tag is for the tcc community loosely creating characters based off criminals
No. 2597338
>>2597334>just feels like nonnies wanting to get revenge on the tifs that reported them the year beforengl, it really does. I don't have any malice myself since I didn't participate in whatever tag was used. But I get it kek
>>2597311>has anyone noticed some characters are from an entire franchise or an existing personYep! I have a favorite character nobody wants to draw so I fixed up some details and made them into an OC. The ones that are directly lifted are… odd. I don't know how that passes the rules.
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Am i insane or does this art have fetishy vibes? I always thought this guys art was based on some weird fetish he had, i don't even know if he is still active.(context?)
No. 2597588
>>2597543I've found that drawing butch women and characters from non-japanese media tends to attract trannies and men way less than femme/femme weeb shit, but other than that I can only recommend not looking at any comments or likes after you post. i feel like that's good for mental health as an artist in general.
please don't let men discourage you though Nonna, we're in dire need of female-driven lesbian content, telling you as an SSA woman who follows every lesbian artist she can find.
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>>2597577Youre right tbh
>>2597588Yeah this was what I was wondering. Now that i think about it the "lesbians" i follow that mostly draw yuri often give one of the characters a dick in the nsfw art so thats probably why they have so many trannies interacting. I dont know why I didnt make this association earlier kek. It seems they dont really care if you just draw two regular women with vaginas. And yeah I use ublock to remove most of the interactions on my social media which helps a lot with ignoring annoying people, highly recommend
No. 2597610
>>2597603I'd draw for you if I could find you
nonnie….
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>>2598091>>2597603I don't know about other nonas, but I like to attack people with art that is kinda bad. Not sayinf that's the case for you two but upthread or previous thread, nonas mentioned liking drawing for children. It might explain why some people get a lot of attacks.
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>>2598166AYRT, good point!! i attack children 90% of the time, most people ive revenged seemed to be kids too. i could see alot of my attacks coming from kids hoping ill revenge them after seeing my art on some other kids page or something!
No. 2598347
>>2598329Yeah! But, uh,
>i attack children 90% of the time, most people ive revenged seemed to be kids toois the funniest shit to read out of context kek
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>>2597334I’ve had my account for literal ages. I just hate misogyny.
No. 2598751
>>2598622NTA but saying you've had a barely two year old account for
ages is very funny and tickling me pink.
No. 2598807
>>2598792I didn’t see it that way. I saw it as her saying that it’s hypocritical to create characters that embodies off an ideology that hates women (and I understand that from a technical standpoint, the term incel means involuntarily celibate and itself isn’t hateful, though the term has been popularized into any man that is a misogynist/hates women, etc.) it’s hypocritical for posters to get banned for solely making ocs even though it was harmless just because they came from a site that had terfs. I think it’s also irritating that 4channers are allowed to have their ocs and link it, /ic/ scrotes specifically, because there’s way more rampant bullshit there. It is misogyny, even if you don’t think so. If anons can get banned for making characters from a site that “had TERFs on it”, why can’t people get banned for making characters based off a genuine hateful rhetoric against women? Reports have said that incel forums posts pedophilia/rape content every 30 minutes. I understand that most of the people who make it probably doesn’t believe in said rhetoric, but I think that poster was simply pointing out the fact that if specific groups of posters gets banned, shouldn’t that apply to those who makes content based off that? I’m not going to report them, but I do think that’s fair criticism against the creators.
No. 2598828
>>2598822NTA but they are the ones that made the rules
>>2597250 i dont know why some of you are acting obtuse and like these characters dont break AF retarded snowflake rules
No. 2598917
>>2598807>because they came from a site that had terfs.if you're on lolcow you probably don't like trannies or are otherwise okay with seeing tranny hate, why are you trying to act like a
victim kek. there's also a difference between doing something and just exploring something in fiction, you'd have an argument if you made a
terf character and THAT got banned. but even then, art fight is a privately owned website, you can't tell them what to do or what not to do and anything they do on their site that they finance and maintain is fair.
No. 2598923
>>2597250>discriminatory content and behaviorNonas, it's both. You are not allowed to have this shit on there at all. If you have a villain OC, you're not supposed to write things beyond "is a bigot" kek
I don't know why it is frequently argued that you would have to nuke all villains when you aren't supposed to be hyperspecific about this stuff. Writing the killer character's exact manefesto is theoretically not allowed if it goes against any of the listed rules. Theoretically. The mods act differently than from they write, so it likely isn't enforced.
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Nonnies, who are some female artists that you used to follow/admire that trooned out? After trooning, did you feel like their art style, effort, or output, and overall quality diminished? Why do you feel like the online art community is so rife with pooners? Here’s some of the stunning and brave pronoun-ciations that bothered me the most.
>katzun, a YouTube story time grifter during the period of theodd1isout and jaidenanimations who trooned out in 2020, made a side channel dedicated to grooming kids into titchops erm I mean queer education, and then dtfo’ed off the platform.
>chipflake, another YouTube story time grifter who teeter tottered between being a themlet and fakeboi before fully transitioning around 2021, probably the only troodood here ergo she passes as the mucinex mascot like most britbong moids. Currently active.
>tennelleflowers, a warriors YouTuber who pooned out around 2020 (noticing a trend here?) and got rid of her old mascot character, made an hour long video essay about Sora from Kingdom Hearts being gay and regularly spergs about and makes fanart about soriku (this woman is like 30 btw), art has noticeably declined since her ascension to the pronoun princess throne.
I know expecting furfags not to be trannies is like expecting turds not to be shit but these women had massive success with the YouTube algorithm through lazy trendhopping with mediocre art and garnered massive fan bases of kids while being gnc women, they could’ve set a really good example for young gnc girls and female artist representation in general (before animation memes, the YouTube animation community was basically just newgrounds scrotes infusing porn addiction and violence into children’s properties), but now they’re setting the example that if you are creative and a woman you have to chop your tits off. Yaaaaaaaaay.
No. 2599277
>>2598917How am I acting like a
victim for pointing out the fact that posters got banned simply for coming from a site though? I pointed out that users came from 4chan, where a lot of racism and whatnot is involved, so the same things would apply. You’re not allowed to have any kind of content that’s like that, not just the characters. I never even got banned on art fight, I’m simply stating the fact that there is some kind of hypocrisy. I don’t know why you are so mad about this. It’s simple criticism. Either you don’t want any “
problematic” users/content at all, or you’re fine with them. Not every lolcow user hates trannies, some of them are tifs themselves who like to lurk or PC artists who simply wants to use stuff against other artists, we’ve all seen this before. Not once have I said “it’s not fair”, I simply said it’s hypocritical.
No. 2599301
>>2598971Won't give any specific examples because they all have small enough followings to make me identifiable, but I've seen this happen too much. I follow a lot of webcomics and I don't think any of them have survived the artist trooning out. They always get canceled outright or put on infinite hiatus, it sucks ass when the story was actually interesting.
>>2599277NTA but I'm pretty sure her point is that having morally bad characters =/= the user themself being morally bad and it's pretty clear that the spirit of the law (since so many nonas here are reading shit too literally instead of looking at what the Art Fight mods actually act on) is that
users cannot be transphobic/misogynist/etc and that there's no such restriction on the OCs themselves. It's not hypocritical for Art Fight to allow dumb incel OCs to exist while also banning you for being a farmer. The only thing that's hypocritical here is the mods not banning known /ic/ moids when 4chan is infamously misogynistic imo.
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>draw fanart of my husbando and showed it in fandom spaces, much to a positive reception
>show it to my moid "friend" to ask for opinions aka if the drawing looks iffy or not
>he gets mad because i "feminized" the totally straight self insert chad protag that gets all the girls (even though he wears a maid dress as one of his alt outfits in a side game)
my fault for asking a moid but KEEEK imagine feeling emasculated by a drawing of a boy in a maid uniform
No. 2599599
>>2599277you're obviously whining about this because you find it unfair, don't lie
>4channersreport them. go to the discord server and dm a mod and state your case kek. as it is now they probably aren't actually aware
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>>2599640I could instantly tell that you're talking about constellor/navimoons
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>>2599724This was her art five years ago. She's been talked about itt for several years.
>>2598971>KatzunUh uh uh anon, you can't just lamely say she tit chopped and DFE when the reason she did was because she had a Soren-esque spaz where she claimed to be a Native American whose skin was forcefully bleached as a child and was assaulted by a large number of people. Give anons some context kek
No. 2599912
>>2599755>Give anons some context keknta Holy shit I have som reading material ahead of me tonight KEK
>>2599717>Someone really just needs to dm a site mod and ask if incel ocs are allowed.I'm gonna go the proxy route and ask a friend of a friend of a friend's friend to get an acquaintance's friend to bring it to mod attention. If the lolcow tag got nuked, then it could happen to anyone, all things considered.
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>>2599912Unfortunately only Kiwifags documented this to any real degree but if you can withstand male autism it's not the worst thread to peruse
No. 2600054
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>>2598971Are there any artists you guys suspect of being crypto? JesterPepita gives me that vibe.
>no pronouns in any of her social media bios>regularly refers to her characters as "female" or "male" and lists their sexes in their lore introduction instead of their pronouns.>no mention of trans or pride related topics on her socials at all>a lot of her female characters appear to be gnc, even if unintentional. picrel No. 2600065
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>>2598971for me, it's anatola howard/maroonraccoon. i used to really like her for being a genuinely talented lesbian cartoonist who openly drew lesbian relationships (most of whom were gnc/butch), then she trooned out and is now some he/him type. her art is technically still good, but now she's focused most of her output on this trite "two gay little animals" comics. picrel is her older art.
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>>2598971ten years of difference kek
author isn't a tranny currently but is 100% going down the pooner line
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Has anyone ever tried to find people to form a doujin circle in the west? i like to code and draw and i've always dreamed of having a circle with other women to make cute games. I know eastern doujin circles by women used to exist(rip alfagame) so i wonder if it's possible to find non tranny women interested in making a small indie studio. Alternatively how do you find people to collab with? i can do the coding and the art but i cannot compose music and i am shit at writing, is it possible to find people online to collab? i am a poorfag from a third world country so i can't offer them payment, which i understand if it's a deal breaker.
No. 2600194
>>2600054Why is making a female character gnc supposed to be a crypto/
terf thing? If anything, I thought it would be the opposite since troons loooove ~masc~/gnc female characters, they’re only a few steps away from being actual aidens.
No. 2600341
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>>2600170>Doujin CircleI always wondered what that is. I can only draw though. Might look into this myself.
>>2600179Nobody would give a shit, but be weary of TIFs trying to "he's totally like me fr" your characters. I have a few gnc male characters that get tagged as such despite me hating the term with all my soul.
>>2600206I wonder who you could be refering to hmmmmm
No. 2600378
>>2600065KARKAT??
>>2600341Nta but i was thinking about her too kek, that anon might be referencing Brujo Ari. Puppychan recently liked a photo of a baby posted by a sick pedo troon on his nsfw account btw
No. 2600391
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>>2600378>KARKATnta FUCK LMAO I can't unsee it.
>Puppychan recently liked a photo of a baby posted by a sick pedo troon on his nsfw account btwayrt not even fucking surprised. She did have some sort of weird regression kink. Not sure if she's still into that.
On the brief topic of Puppychan, am I the only one that thinks her art has improved? It's still furry stank but her grip on anatomy is getting better whenever I glance at her gallery. I can't stand
what she draws (excessive body fat), but props to her for exploring that field. I could've sworn she was either tracing or skinwalking another artist but now I have my doubts.
No. 2600406
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>>2600400ayrt Not
quite. I'm more focused on anatomy. Things like lineart quality are moot in current era since everyone is insisting that everyone draws at insanely high resolutions and ignore line quality. I don't play Arknights but this was official art apparently.
No. 2600413
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>>2600391When i first saw this art i thought Hitch was wearing buruma/Japanese sports uniform and thinking that Puppychan was trying to skinwalk Japanese moid artists and imitate their fetishes
>She did have some sort of weird regression kink. Not sure if she's still into that She was in some private profic discord and someone leaked her diaperfur art. NSFL warning
No. 2600421
>>2600054I suspect her of being a crypto but not in the straight up radfem sense, more a normier "that gendie stuff is pretty dumb" and being annoyed by gendies. I remember her scolding some gendies in a comment section for asking if she was trans because she had short hair and telling them it was stupid/sexist to assume short hair is related to gender. I think she's just more "high art" (I don't know how else to put it) about her work, more mature and less terminally online so she's not engaged at all with that kind of online queer LARP/discourse stuff. I wonder if her being russian might also play a part.
I think Magna Galina is similar, but with a dash of 4chan use.
No. 2600428
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>>2600413Didn't know it was so recent that it featured Salem. Christ. Artists can't have anything. If someone is talented or shows promise there is a 97.23% chance they're hiding some sort of horrible demons. A deal with the devil. I know I signed my soul away to enter this trade but holy shit how can people live with themselves sometimes.
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>>2600448It's very recent, posted like 2 days ago in her thread. Those 2 screenshots got reposted in mtf thread. TTD can't come soon enough
No. 2600467
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>>2600406nta and same. Who cares about her lineart when you can just compare the lovingly rendered fat rolls to the way she scribbles shoes. Reminds me of picrel kek
No. 2600495
>>2600467>your picrelayrt KEK
>>2600465nta Honestly that's why I stopped checking her thread; I was tired of seeing a ton of nodraws try to insist that her art was shit and they knew why. Looking at the Puppychan redraw thread made me take a lot of the art critique less seriously. I mean, it's genuine pointing out what's wrong with it, but there were too often times where the critiques reek of personal hatred. Her old art isn't
better than current, but she is a genuinely evil person.
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>>2600495Nta but I agree! Her art is not good by any means but way above her twitter era skill level. It seems like being the poster child of art regression got to her and now she hides her mistakes behind rendermaxxing. I don't visit her thread that often because she says the exact same shit over and over about how queer twans woman are constantly in danger
No. 2600682
>>2600170The only time I see western doujin circles is in specific fandoms like Touhou
Been trying amongst friends to make a doujin game but it's a quick way to ruin friendships kek
Lots of idea guy faggotry even amongst those who can do things like draw or code
It'd be fun to make one with motivated people though
No. 2600701
>>2600179The only people you are going to piss off are fanboy moids who are super attached to their personal favorite male power fantasy glorbo.
All of their rage ends up doing nothing, because the majority of people aren’t invested in that character the same way. If there’s nothing “
problematic” about it otherwise, no one is going to have a reason to rally against you. It’s hardly justifiable for a cancellation even if they were.
It’s like coloring Sonic’s arms blue. Speds like Chris chan will have an autism moment over “character inconsistencies”, but no one else will gaf.
No. 2601036
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>>2600495>I was tired of seeing a ton of nodraws try to insist that her art was shit and they knew why.I've noticed pretty much all of KF's artcow threads have this problem. For every 1 good critique or redline, there's a shitton of circlejerking nitpicks. It's directly proportional to their post count too, thread regulars who constantly redline or redraw the cow's art are almost guaranteed to be beg-tier while better artists only show up every once in a while to take potshots. Probably because they have their own projects and don't have time to nitpick puppychan's thousandth sexed up obese he/him bimbo bunny kek. Frankman64's resident drawfag is especially pathetic imo. Frank doesn't even make his own art, which is funny by itself because he wants to become a famous mangaka, but it means that his thread's drawfag essentially got asspats for bothering to do the bare minimum the cow wouldn't. He even shat up the thread more by designing OCs for the thread regulars based off their pfps, picrel is only one of many of these images. Between that and people spamming the n word (because KF moids can't help but constantly repeat themselves when a cow is black), I had to stop watching his thread despite him being a very funny wholesome cow. Other artcow threads are bearable if I ignore them for a couple of months and just skim over the dumb nonmilk, especially for gems like that one slacktivism picture puppychan made of her oc in a skimpy bikini with the pan-africa flag colors tearing up a confederate flag kekkk
No. 2601059
>>2601036Jesus christ those legs are fucked up. Poor Pepe with his thigh tumour.
Agree with everything you said wrt KF artcow threads. Normal threads are exhausting enough but add in autistic art sperging and story/world building rewrites that goes on for several pages and it's just the worst.
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>>2601036The only actually talented kiwi artfag I've seen is Umami's Milk. I think some tif who wrote fanfiction about 17 years old Leon Kennedy and 40 years old teacher somehow managed to find his real twitter after he made a redraw of her ugly art
No. 2601113
>>2598971Personal cow trooned out. Her husband was much older than her when I met her and they had a daughter already. She did furry art but it was cute, like animal crossing cute. However the rot was already there. She proudly told me she loved m/m mpreg pairings but understood that not everyone liked that.
Fandom was different back then but it still creeped me out she dropped that into a conversation with no hesitation. Fast forward and she’s divorced, her daughter is older now in HS (she’s been homeschooled all her life) and her (the mom’s) brain broke from covid. She decided she’s a man and somehow her daughter is also gnc/trans. Both are on T. It’s an emotional incestual relationship. I feel bad for the daughter since I watched both of them from afar and now they’re both pooner artists and the mom (sorry “dad”) is always an anxious wreck about covid still and protecting trans kids. Her art hasn’t changed much but she stopped talking about mpreg as often and focuses on trans issues now.