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No. 2577801

Previous: >>>/ot/2554367
Discuss art and related topics such as:
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art (do not shill about your ai trained models key words on a prompt do not make you a artist)
-Do not post your art to be reviewed here use the designated /m/ thread
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Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn
https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon
op artist: Evgenia Antipova
Useful youtube channels:
https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454
https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2
>where to find art
https://www.wikiart.org/es
https://artvee.com/
>other useful sites
https://film-grab.com/
https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing
https://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheel
https://freephotomuscle.com/
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND. also check e-hentai and bilibili

Frequently Asked Questions
>Where can I download brushes and CSP assets?
Resources such as /dbag/ are easy to find online.
>How do I schedule my art?
Professional artist's schedules are easy to find online, however these may be unsustainable long term and it might be better to use them for references for you to build your own rather than attempting to follow them to a T.
>Is drawing furry or porn profitable? Will it give me clout?
It can be, but the market is incredibly saturated and coomers and furries already have artists they want to commission. You will be competing against thousands of people, consider what makes you stand out and if you really want to sink time and effort into something you may not enjoy even a little.
>Questions regarding AI
Both the AI thread in /m/ or the AI Debate thread might be more suitable.
>What is this style called/who is this artist?
Use reverse image search (yandex, tineye, etc.) or the Help Me Find thread.
>What are your thoughts on…?
Look through older artist salts or give context.

No. 2577837

>>2577801
beautiful OP pic

No. 2577841

>>>/ot/2577696
/m/ has a thread created specifically for posting our art. I would venture to say only about 5 or so of us post there.

No. 2577844

Someone on art fight just told me they usually don’t care for female characters but they liked my ocs kek, the nerve of self hating misogynists. Or at least im 80% sure this user is a woman too

No. 2577846

>images have been broken on artfight for like 3 days now
At this point I’m thinking it’s an inside job

No. 2577847

>>2577844
They arent real anon they are just characters, chill.

No. 2577851

Pardon me for asking, but are all of you really participating in Artfight? Didn't a bunch of people here get banned and their accounts deleted for simply being found out as LC users last year? That automatically made Artfight a no-no for me.

No. 2577852

>>2577847
Nta but read the post again sure they aren't living characters but it was a snide comment at nonas ocs,what's with the ic and cow wks lately? Can you not consume anything without projecting yourself onto it and feeling offended about it?

No. 2577859

>>2577851
It only happened because of some self hating troon snitch that tattletaled on tumblr. Who knows if that gendie is still lurking here, I did suggest that nonas figure out a new tag to identify themselves with earlier before the event started but nothing happened
>>2577852
Yeah that person probably thought it was a flattering compliment but personally I wouldn’t really appreciate some self hating misogynist complimenting me like that. Kinda wish I could tell her to fuck off kek

No. 2577860

>>2577841
Two threads actually, and one of them is filled with more artists than the other. Add on nonas I saw with my own eyes during last year's Art Fight attempt I'm going to guesstimate that there's at least thirty different artists whom consistently draw which is probably not dissimilar to the amount of people who use this thread weekly pre-summer.

No. 2577862

>>2577841
I think more nonnies would post if being associated with LC wasn't a social detriment. Maybe in actuality it's not that bad but people can be paranoid.

No. 2577867

>>2577851
The incident put a really bad taste in my mouth ngl. I'm in a sewing mood and would love to make one or two small plushes for AF but I don't want to make any for gendies so I probably won't do it this year

No. 2577944

>>2577862
kirdede chan posts her art here and on twitter and hasnt gotten cancelled, paranoid anons probably dont draw anyways

No. 2578078

>>2577846
Oh it's gotta be. My schizoid take is that the mods are stalking these threads and found out some (2) nonas are early prepping by drawing pics ahead of time, so they just "oopsie daisied" the images suspiciously close to the opening time of Artfight.
If that is the case then kek. Dumbasses have no idea how YCHs work, and that we can just set shit up early anyway. (it is not the case)
>>2577851
Yes. I wasn't part of the ban wave since my paranoid wouldn't let me connect my online identity to the site anyway. I just want to draw people free shit without them thinking I'm open for requests.
>>2577860
>pre-summer
Where have all the nonas gone… (BETTING the brujo containment thread kek)
>>2577862
Better paranoid than careless, I guess. I was thinking about making a cow OC but I don't know if they'd automatically hone in on it because of how recently it'd be posted. I mainly use this imageboard to talk to semi-normie women, since I already get involved with so many fucking gendies on a regular basis. The fact that I don't wanna be is considered a crime is insane.
>>2577944
I draw, and I'm paranoid!

No. 2578118

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>looking for tutorial on art topic
>Mr. Beast editing style
worst part is when it has useful info

No. 2578119

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what the fuck is this shit

No. 2578134

>>2578118
Post it

No. 2578150

>>2577867
Make one for me please

No. 2578162

>>2577846
Only some of the images are broken for me, and even then I can click on the broken ones and see them in another window. Is that how it is for everyone?

No. 2578228

>>2578209
I've done it for the past two years and I've heard so many complaints about a bunch of different things, but honestly I've been doing just fine and having fun so I'll be participating again this year. The only issue I've had in the past is that I do start to stress a little about my art skills being too shitty and I worry that I can't churn out art fast enough to revenge every attack that I get, but I'm gonna try to remind myself more often that it's all just for fun and I should take it easy this time around. Plus I have a job now which takes up a lot of my time, so it'll kinda force me to be more casual when it comes to my AF participation this year.

No. 2578348

>>2578119
the ghost one is so cute. i don't get the point of the rest cuz, who really owns the oc's design here?
>>2577851
the ban wave gave me a bad taste in my mouth too but i still look forward to the event because there really isn't nothing like it online, unless you make a circle of artist friends and… in this economy, really? i also want my oc children to get some love so i'm hoping fingers crossed to get noticed by some really good artists.

side note, is artfight good to translate the attention you get there to the socmed you post art to the rest of the year?
>>2578228
> I do start to stress a little about my art skills being too shitty and I worry that I can't churn out art fast enough to revenge every attack that I get
this is me! this year will be my first time participating, so i'm doing it as a test to my discipline. gotta take advantage of unemployment until it lasts.

No. 2578362

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How do you nonnas improve your traditional art skills? For example: what is the best technique for coloring with pencils? Or shadow with normal black pencils?

Did you improve independently (self help book and videos) or did someone help you in a art class or one on one? (Or maybe both)

No. 2578383

>>2578362
>How do you nonnas improve your traditional art skills?
I recently got into acrylics. Like, hardcore got into instead of elementary school tier enjoying myself putting pigment on canvas. Truly the key is to look up stuff on youtube. Just dedicate yourself to looking up random video made by people that are like Bob Ross but better at explaining things and copy what they do.
>Did you improve independently (self help book and videos) or did someone help you in a art class or one on one? (Or maybe both)
That's a tricky question. It's more a matter of
>self help via using my own time to find tutorials made by other people
I don't consider that "self-taught", personally, but that's what I'm doing and have been doing haha. You learn a lot by digging through tumblr archives too.

No. 2578392

What's a character design philosophy you personally hate? It doesn't have to be popular opinion either. I'm kind of mixed on "less is more" as a concept. Done well, designs look memorable and iconic. Done terribly, It looks like a plain mess imo. Deliberate detailness is a better way of handling something but that's again my opinion.

No. 2578424

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>>2578392
I've always had a gripe with the shape language principle and how limiting it is

No. 2578431

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>>2578424
It can be less gay if used by a not-retard I think

No. 2578496

>>2578392
Not really a philosophy but I hate the trend of over-designed gacha shit. Particularly with a lot of genshin characters they have so much crap on them that they all look the same, the only thing separating them is colors

No. 2578685

>>2577846
There's no question. A lot of nonnas I know, myself included, like to do ahead prep for AF. These fuckers KNOW very well what they're up to and don't want nonnas to be ahead of the game.
>>2578162
Yes. I'm able to click some and load them up.
It just makes it a bit more tedious, but it is what it is.
>>2577851
I'm gonna do it but only because my mutuals are too. More fun when you have friends to do it with.
I'm not going as hard as last year though. Last year I went full-on apeshit and only got 3 revenges for every 7 attacks I completed.
Not really sure how nonnas can find one another though when there's some snitchy tranny lurking about.
>>2578431
I like this a lot, nonna.
>>2577867
PYW?!
Very based btw.

No. 2578690

>>2578424
The man would be an upside down triangle (the best body type for a man) so this is extra retarded.

No. 2578695

>>2578496
What do you consider a great example of averting this though?

No. 2578698

>>2578685
>PYW?!
What does this mean

No. 2578712

>>2578698
ntayrt but Post Your Work. Nonna wants to see!

No. 2578714

>>2578712
Thanks! I’d love to see as well, but that might reveal her identity…

No. 2578716

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Of course they put “transphobia” before racism, sexism, and homophobia. Sigh…

No. 2578737

>>2578716
>use of slurs
>ableist views
Time to narc on all the 4channers that participate this year

No. 2578758

>>2578716
They really don't care it seems.

No. 2578770

>>2578737
>racist views
>sexist views
So the entirety of 4chan and its trannies

No. 2578848

>>2578770
ban everybody because even the tiktok kids think its quirky to say faggot rn kek

No. 2578941

>>2578424
>>2578431
I agree with both. I hate simplified shape language, it looks shitty and ugly 99% of the time. But it can be used well if the artist know what they're doing.

No. 2578948

>>2578716
very telling of the userbase and staff. most of them are rich white kids that haven't really struggled a second in their lives but since they have a ~spicy~ identity they think their suffering is above them all and that's why they take troonphobia so much deeply than actual bigotry and hatred, they haven't been actually discriminated against… maybe this very obvious fact is better fit for another thread, kek, but it seriously pisses me off how they put troony loony stuff as the #1 thing on everything.
honestly? this makes me more eager to participate, because i'm le evil terf having fun on their pwecious kweerio website and they probably would be very upset if they knew that.

No. 2578995

>>2578716
I bet you they'll only enforce these rules against terfs for wrongthink and play stupid for everything else.

No. 2579015

>>2578995
I mean they did, we all saw it in action. Just the crime of being associated with terfs got anons banned.

No. 2579059

>>2579015
Yea, I'm surprised people are still going back after last year. Fuck AF

No. 2579472

>>2579059
Free art go brr

No. 2579486

>>2579059
im doing it so i can shill my ocs, im tired of being the only person who cares about them kek

No. 2579487

>>2579059
Just join and don't do returns if you can get away with it.

No. 2579489

Where did you people come from? I've been stalking this thread for a while because I want to talk to someone about art kek
>>2578119
samefag I was thinking about doing a funny and designing OCs for these people that are subtly related to lolcows.

No. 2579506

>>2579489
I’ve known about lolcow and have been lurking for years, including other art generals such as the bad art general, but only kinda recently found out about this general a few months ago. Now it’s my main place in confiding about my art related salt unfiltered since I can’t talk about this anywhere else kek. It’s nice to see others shit talk artists I’ve always had some problems with

No. 2579510

>>2579489
From Holly Brown and RacistUncle bullshit.

No. 2579547

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>>2578424
Shape language autists are such a cancer, these ugly designs never look good and instead look amateurish and corporate. They think shape design is the only thing that matters, so as long as you make your character round like a balloon or square like a fridge its clothes or hair doesnt matter. There is a very popular youtube video on youtube that preaches about the importance of shape language, meanwhile picrel is them ''fixing'' a character. The ''improved'' version is the right one that looks like a tranny btw. I dont know how these retards manage to fuck up such a simple concept as shape design, which is meant to enhance a good design. The average townie from the PPG or My life as a teen robot looks 10 times more interesting than that shit.

No. 2579553

>>2579547
I think the style on the right could work in a cartoony, Psychonauts-ish kind of way, but this execution is bad. The design became way more boring, too.

No. 2579554

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Am I crazy or is this very obviously traced/using AI??

No. 2579559

>>2579554
yeah seems like it.

No. 2579560

>>2579554
it even got the trademark ai piss filter kekkkk

No. 2579561

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>>2579547
i keked so hard when they showed this reedit after emphasizing how conflicting shapes shouldnt be in a certain shaped character kek this is supposed to be a femme fatale character yet they chose a bos for her face? it shouldve looked like this

No. 2579571

>>2579561
I always wondered why western animators are so reluctant to add three-dimensional to their designs. I see no point to make the belts look like they are tattoos instead of actualy objects in perspective.

No. 2579586

>>2579547
How on earth is the right one and improvement? It looks so bland and ugly compared to the design on the left.

No. 2579587

>>2579554
not ai but referenced from a real picture very likely. which is kindof a non-issue and has been done for hundreds of years

No. 2579588

>>2578424
I blame the obsession with shape language on Tumblr back in the day. Everyone was going through an anti-anime phase and same face syndrome was a popular topic. It turned into those Homestuck character line ups where everyone tried to have the most unique headcanon for the characters (the female characters always conveniently still had a small cute face and hourglass figure though until drawing them like hulking troons became popular) which then infected every other fandom

You can always tell who's really phoning in shape language in their art, there's definitely people who understand it well but I feel a lot use it as a crutch to avoid learning their fundies

No. 2579591

Ok so nonna, about erotica:
I like to draw erotica/sexual themes because for me erotica or sexual stuff is either animalistic as in raw action (esp. nudity, I like to draw nudity as the simply state of existing), connection for two persons or simply having fun. Sex and flirting in fun but of course, me drawing erotica gets me exposed to countless moid that like my characters. I only have girl ocs and of course my public pages are public to get engagement but how I can get my erotica art less appealing to moids? So far what I noticed is:
>Moids like embarrassed or surprised situations like uwaah! You walked in me changing! Oh no, this monster is going to fuck me!
>Moids like characters looking at them, not complicity. They like titty character staring at them or at the genitalia of other males
>If it's yuri, they like both girls looking at the viewer
>In straight fucking, only the cock is needed, they don't like to see another moid's face
>Casual nudity has to include a random fetish for them, that's over ly exaggerated (ex. a nude girl but she has weirdly detailed feet)
>Of course, ahegao or weird turtle faces, sweat clouds, overly blushed areas
So far these are my points about what they like but doing a complete 180 on this stuff, puts me into tumblr style, weird tif art. So far my reach got slightly better when I drew confident women that do not look at the viewer but I wonder if anynonna here has some other tips?

No. 2579596

>>2579591
>draws female characters in sexual situations
>omg why am i being followed by moids?
are you for real kek

No. 2579599

>>2579596
Women also like erotica, I want to appeal to them. Do not pretend that women do not engage in erotica, come on kek

No. 2579606

>>2579599
Women like yaoi and husbando stuff. Unless you are aiming to draw stuff for lesbians, which fair but they are miniscule amount of the population and lesbian porn is more popular with men than with SSA women.

No. 2579615

>>2579606
And? Yes, I want my miniscule niche, what's strange about it? My question is: how do I make erotica (which is different than straight up mindless porn but I guess that if you cannot tell the two apart, then you probably don't understand what I do) appealing to women or towards the female gaze more? I don't care about popular shit because I already do popular shit under a different name and I know what the average girl/woman on the internet likes, I want to know how to NOT to appeal to men without going full tumblrina/twitter art because not only I don't want to do ugly shit (I refuse to give moids pretty things), I don't want to learn a new artstyle. Is it really that bad trying to fight off this shit? I don't care about how big my public is gonna be or niches, I'm here to get some opinions about patterns and stuff that men don't like so they would fuck off, they aren't even useful but if I block them, I can say bye bye to my career and my side gig, I'm also a crypto so I know what I'm going through, I just want a more curated space.

No. 2579618

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Actual question; why are skinny and tall/elongated drawings of humans universally seen as more attractive? As soon as it's any level of stylized/cartoony like fashion drawings or in anime it just looks better to people if the character is skinny and super tall. Usually what in reality would be comically long legs like picrel is just accepted as normal and attractive. It seems weird because people don't usually yearn for comically long legs the same as they're into big boobs or whatever. Like proportionally so much of the body is put into the legs… idk I'm definitely overthinking it.

No. 2579619

>>2579615
Nta maybe just make your chacaters slightly radical feminists. I think men will be put off if the characters insult men in a radical feminist type fo ways. You said you are crypto so just insult men and not trannies.

No. 2579621

>>2579615
What makes you think you dont have your miniscule niche audience already? if you want to completly cull off men that's impossible and they will always be more than lesbians since straight men are most of the world's population. As long as you draw sexy women men are going to flock to it like flies to shit.

No. 2579622

>>2579619
>anon doesnt know about men into femdom
oh poor innocent nonny. Men literally pay women to insult them.

No. 2579623

>>2579622
I know that's why i said radical feminist type of way because that stuff cuts deeper than the vast majority of men who are into femdom want.

No. 2579625

>>2579615
A someone not into erotica, the only erotica I can find appealing as art is realistic but stylized nudity of women chilling. I imagine realistic proportions ward off most moids by default

No. 2579626

>>2579623
It really doesnt kek. Those men literally like to get ballbusted you are insane if you think a few mean words coming from cartoon girls is going to affect them. Some of them come here just to get their fix of women insulting them. We literally have a gross moid who selfposts his videos of him in a diaper on the cringe thread so anons can insult him.

No. 2579627

>>2579622
Kek, was just about to say that. Unfortunately what makes one moid go into a homicidal rage gets another off, or makes him get off and homicidal rage.

No. 2579629

>>2579626
Some come here yes, that's the ones she will never get rid off, but spending my time selling art to horny moids most of them don't want feminist stuff they get triggered, it's funny.

No. 2579630

>>2579627
Not only that but most women into self-sexualization are super mega pickmes who would cancel nonny at the mere hint of misandry. The only way to appeal to women is drawing pastel pink moeblobs with big fat tits like that ugly shit super sonico. But that's also going to attract tons of moids.

No. 2579631

>>2579591
Men have really low standards so this is hard but I guess the the more work it takes for them to coom, the better, as they are more likely to click off your work and seek out quicker gratification. Maybe you could try more dialogue heavy and scenario/character development heavy sex scenes (plot with porn) and focusing more on male bodies instead of female bodies. If you have to focus on female bodies, make them have normal proportions. No gigantic tits or crazy curves and use angles to hide tits/ass like how they always do in moid gaze media with the men.

No. 2579632

>>2579629
Yes i am sure moids are super triggeed by your feminist porn anon. They must feel super owned by a woman drawing sexy girls and calling it feminist, not like men constantly make fun of how libfems who think the sexual revolution of shaking their asses and dressing in provocative clothes is totes feminist and owning da men.

No. 2579639

>>2579632
God you're an assuming retard. I don't draw feminist porn, i'm saying that when they see feminist porn that hurts their ego they don't like it, because that's what 15 years of my market research statistics show me. I draw porn they want because i love to take their money for me listening to podcasts and drawing in my cave, that's all there is to it. I don't care about libfems or shaking asses or whatever has nothing to do with what i talk about.

No. 2579641

Is twitter really the only place to post art? I see so much ugly slop get popular that I'm salty it's not me. I'm tired of getting zero engagement elsewhere. And why is every art discord filled with trannies?

No. 2579650

>>2579639
>feminist porn
>for men
topkek sure anon you are soooo based for drawing coomshit for men instead of drawing stuff for women, you seriously are showing them by being paid to make them cum! reminds me of another line of work were women get paid for the same thing, it's the oldest profession after all.(baiting)

No. 2579652

>>2579650
Why do you belive i want to "show them" that's what you imagine in your head because you don't understand written text longer than one sentence. I just want to make money from men who have higher wages and live my life in peace. I don't need to show anything to anyone, how difficult is it t understand that i don't live with an agena?

No. 2579654

>>2579621
Why do you have to be so negative, why do you believe that people already begin with a following? Let people begin and grow, why the fuck are you so bitter

No. 2579657

>>2579652
Then stop claiming it hurts their ego because we both know it doesnt. You are lying to justify drawing coomslop for men.

No. 2579660

>>2579654
I am not the one that wants to draw male gaze porn and not attract moids. She needs to accept it's going to attract 99% moids 1% women or stop clogging the thread with the most retarded question yet.

No. 2579666

>>2579657
As i said I did my research and most men just don't like radical feminists insulting them in their porn in my experience. I'm not "justyfying" how i make money with this statement in any way because it's not a statement to justify aything, it's just what my research showed. It's two different things. Again you think i have some agenda of justifying porn, i don't, couldn't care less. I'm just saing my experience as a person involved in the trade with information that somebody could use.

No. 2579667

>>2579657
get a bf who eats u out, taking this shit so serious

No. 2579669

>>2579667
ew wtf is wrong with you to be gross.(infighting)

No. 2579671

>>2579625
Yeah I also noticed that men don't like women just existing out of their ahegao fantasies kek
>>2579631
I already keep my proportions realistic (or maybe on the more cartoonish style but always balanced because I don't draw realism) but the fact is that they see shit where it isn't. Just like I don't believe in modesty shit, I don't believe in only drawing fridge bodies with a bedsheet would make them scram but since they always rely on fantasy and since I'm not a porn brainrotted moid, I wonder what kills those fantasies without limiting myself. We already limit ourselves too much for moids (in the industry, people told me to not too make bodies too detailed or drawing nipples in general because men would harass irl artists because they would come up and say weird shit at signing sessions like what the fuck lol)
I just really, really like women and I like bodies. I like to allow them to exist in my art in a non pornified way and if you, >>2579632 , believe that all sexuality or sex is porn then I'm sorry for your sad view of it, if you actually believe that two people having intimacy that's carried on by feelings and mutual attraction is the same as coomslop with titty characters and tentacles, I'm sorry for you. There's a difference in being antiporn (which I am) and being sex negative. Sex is fun, can be a nice moment, can help people discover themselves and that's the vibe I want to give in my drawings, that was my question and you said abloobloo you want to cather to moids ablobloo as if they're the only ones to enjoy sex kek and pretty drawings are not only for men, stop kicking your own box because the differences are there, I just asked how to make them more obivous.

No. 2579673

>>2579666
>i did my research
>just trust me bro
yeah sure, your ''research'' holds more weight than the common knowledge that men will fuck anything and especially women they hate just to 'own' them. Men literally make AI porn of hilary clinton and anita sarkeesian.
>>2579671
>if you actually believe that two people having intimacy that's carried on by feelings and mutual attraction is the same as coomslop with titty characters and tentacles, I'm sorry for you.
If that werent the case you wouldnt be complaining about moids following you and cooming to your totes not porn art. You are stupid if you think men see the beauty in the female porn. Playboy didnt show bush in their magazine until the 80s and even then most centerfold continued to be just naked women. Its still porn. Sorry to burst your bubble but it's the truth. Women who enjoy sex like sexy husbandos, not looking at naked women. I dont know why you are convinced straight women want to look at women in their porn.(infighting)

No. 2579675

>>2579673
>If that werent the case you wouldnt be complaining about moids following you and cooming to your totes not porn art.
I'm aware of this and I asked how to make it less appealable. I know that reading comprehension is hard but I didn't believe to face this absymal level of understanding and where did I say that I want to appeal to straight women only?

No. 2579677

>>2579673
If it holds weight for you or not that's not my problem. I said what's my experience and it's on everybody to take that in or not. And yes it's research of 15 years. If you want to make money you have to research the market and find what works the best. It's not difficult to do researches for people who can understand written text and aren't automatic assumption machines.

No. 2579679

>>2579675
>nonnies how do i make my male gaze porn not appeal to men??
Do you read yourself? just own drawing the shit you like instead of jumping through impossible hoops. ''erotic'' content is just porn, but people grew so accostumed to an ever growing hypersexualized society that what was playboy centerfold worthy in the 60s is now considered artistic nudity lmao.

No. 2579682

>>2579677
Again, you keep going on and on about your ''research'' but show no proof of said research. I can say i did research for 20 years to prove the earth is flat and that doesnt make it true unless i can show you objective proof that the earth is flat. It's like you dont realize your supposed research isnt a valid argument because unless you actually prove it, it means nothing.(infighting)

No. 2579683

>>2579679
nta and I agree, but at the same time I'd like it if women were able to create erotic content just for women that men didn't have access too. It's like talking and giggling about sexual encounters or hot guys you saw with your girl friends, and then you notice a fat pig moid pressed up and breathing on the window with his dick heard listening in. It just wasn't meant for him or any moid.

No. 2579686

>>2579683
>women were able to create erotic content just for women that men didn't have access too

Noo nonny nooo if women in the drawing are not puritans then it's porn and it's always for men noooo because women's naked bodies, no matter the dimensions on how they're portraited, it's always sexual and porny, naked women are only for men nooooo

No. 2579689

>>2579683
>I'd like it if women were able to create erotic content just for women that men didn't have access too.
It has existed for decades and it's called yaoi.

No. 2579690

>>2579689
But what if I don't want men in my erotica

No. 2579691

>>2579690
Why are you talking about women as a whole then. Just say lesbians. Lesbians are a minority, i am sure they have tons of yuri and coomshit at their disposal too.

No. 2579692

>>2579689
Yaoi is literally only for porn rotted fujos, I was talking about regular women.(fujo sperging)

No. 2579693

>>2579691
Bisexual women exist. Women who enjoy other women aesthetically exist. Women who want to see and read more women centric stories exist. Claiming that women are for men only and women only have to enjoy gay porn is a retarded take.

No. 2579694

>>2579692
50 shades of grey and other booktok slop exists for self inserters too.
>>2579693
>Women who enjoy other women aesthetically exist
topkek no, if a moid told he me aeshtetically enjoys men i would call him a fag because he is. If you like looking at sexual pictures of women you are at the very least bisexual. Straight women dont like looking at sexy pics of women.(derailing)

No. 2579695

>>2579691
Nta but why would straight women not want straight women portrayed in their erotica to identify with? Normal straight women aren't actually turned on by gay men or their gay activities, most women aren't turned on by anal sex or blow jobs either.

No. 2579696

>>2579694
>Straight women dont like looking at sexy pics of women

Oh sweet summerchild, you have no idea. Being straight doesn't mean going "EWWW!!" when a sexy woman walks in front of you as a woman, top kek

No. 2579697

>>2579695
But why do you want to look at sexualized women in your porn unless you are bisexual? yaoi is also immensely popular so women prefeer looking at two hot guys than a single hot guy.(derailing)

No. 2579698

>>2579696
Yes it does, that's what OSA is. If you find sexy women attractive you are gay, same sex attraction is literally defined by the attraction towards people of your same sex. I dont know why you think finding women sexy while being straight it's normal but it's really not. When i see an attractive woman i feel nothing because i am not gay.(derailing)

No. 2579699

>>2579694
>Straight women dont like looking at sexy pics of women.
It's literally just self-inserting and a lot of women do it. That's why they always make the female lead cute or sexy because it's a female power fantasy essentially to be attractive and beautiful.

No. 2579700

>>2579697
Why do you want to look at the sky if you're not a pilot? Why do you want to look at the sea if you are not a marine biologist? Why do you want to go to museums if you can't draw?

No. 2579702

>>2579699
>self inserts as a sexy woman
>nooo why is my porn attracting men
I dont understand why anons problem is? like what does she expect. If you are going to draw female characters that adhere to the male gaze they are going to attract men. There is a reason why fags had to make bara, because it's aesthetics filter fujos into female made aesthetics. Women could do the same and draw women with realistic proportions, unsexualized and with body hair riding hot guys but none of you actually want that, you want the male gaze.(derailing)

No. 2579703

>>2579694
>>2579697
The art is like an avatar for women, including straight, to project themselves onto. Women much more than men do this as we're more socially inclined, it's why females on an a much greater scale like playing dress up with dolls, making OCs, playing the sims and such. If the avatar is pretty then I'm pretty, if she's sexy I'm sexy. It's not in any way a new phenomenon. Part of the reason why violent porn is so off-putting is because it's very hard to no identify with the woman being abused, rather than as a straight woman being turned on by he hot guy whose doing it and ignoring the woman.

No. 2579706

>>2579700
How is any of that comparable to sexualizing women? if a straight women told me she found me sexy i would think she's a creep. If a moid told another moid he finds him sexy but no homo he would beat him to death. Its not normal to feel sexually attracted to the same sax if you arent bisexual/lesbian and it's weird you are claiming it is.(derailing)

No. 2579708

>>2579706
Projection and sexual attraction is not the same though.

No. 2579709

>>2579703
Yeah i can get that, that's why i dont understand what anon means by making porn involving attractive/pretty women that doesnt attract men. If you are adhering to moid aesthetics you are going to attract moids, simple as.
>>2579708
Why do you need to project onto women its weird, but ok. Wish women could exist without being sexualized even by supposed 'straight' women.(derailing)

No. 2579711

>>2579702
men could draw themselves as hot yaoi guys, they simply believe that all beauty is gay, that's why they don't kek it's not that deep and no one would stop them
>>2579706
>How is any of that comparable to sexualizing women?
Again, reply, why would you go to a museum if you can't draw? Because you like to LOOK at stuff. People like to LOOK. Do you believe that to appreciate a museum you have to be good at art? Do you think that to enjoy a nice sunset you have to be a scientist? Do you think you have to be an animal fucker to find animal beautiful or cute to look at? Weird!

No. 2579713

>>2579700
>>2579696
>>2579693
nta but kek what in a tumblr tier response are these
>>2579686
you know, i think you'd have a point if men weren't able to jack off to a stick figure with boobs. you cannot make an image focused on a naked woman and claim it's feminist or femgaze, it'll attract men anyway(infighting)

No. 2579715

>>2579709
Quick question, how old are you? You remind me of guys in middle school that immediately get with their back on the wall after learning that one of their classmates is gay and go "B-But you don't find ME attractive right, you creep??"
Learn how to divide sex from porn. You believe that all sex is porn. I know you're into babby's first radical feminist lessons but learn to see the difference in objectifying and sexual feelings.

No. 2579716

>>2579711
>men could draw themselves as hot yaoi guys
if they did this and then claimed its not for women/fags everyone would laugh at them, so i dont understand why anon is having such a hard time grasping the fact most men are straight and they like attractive women.
>People like to LOOK.
but why do you like looking at sexy women if you are not gay? whats the appeal? looking at what people consider sexy women just makes me sad, seeing them contorting themselves like worms, fully shaved for men it just makes me feel gross. I dont get it. Whats considered ''attractive'' in women is always dictated by men and thus i dont hold women to those standards, and if someone did that to me i would feel bad.

No. 2579718

>>2579715
But anon is claiming she's totes not a lesbian though? which is what i dont get. Also sex is not porn, because we are talking about people having sexual relationships in the privacy of their home. But we arent talking about sex, we are talking abour drawn pornography that's posted to be consumed on the internet. It's not the same.(derailing)

No. 2579720

>>2579716
>if they did this and then claimed its not for women/fags everyone would laugh at them
Their loss, skill issue kek
>but why do you like looking at sexy women if you are not gay? whats the appeal?
Aesthetic. Beauty. Oh no, why are beautiful people beautiful??

No. 2579723

>>2579716
Women and men experience sexuality different because they are different, I don't get why we are trying to compare 1:1. It's just a fact that a lot of women self-insert into the sexy woman in the story because feeling attractive/an object of desire is part of sexuality for women. On the other hand men are so afraid of being gay that they will even refuse to look at another man.

No. 2579724

So if I drew sexual content centered on men of various presentations, I'm a porn addict? Basically ignoring the wide swathes of degrading fetish of art of women? Yet the moment a woman draws tasteful erotic content that's too much?

No. 2579728

>>2579720
I can find attractive people beautiful without sexualizing them though. I dont know why you jump to sexualizing them.
>>2579723
Thats fine but then why complain about how drawing sexy women attract men? it doesnt make sense. Either dont draw sexy women or draw them and accept its going to attract men no matter what.
>>2579724
>tasteful erotic content
that's the point, there isnt such a thing as tasteful erotic content, its still porn. You are free to draw whatever but dont wax poetic about how your porn is empowering then cry when it attracts moids. Men have been adding ''tasteful erotic'' scenes to movies for decades and it's clearly just porn kek, i am not falling for that moid excuse.(infighting)

No. 2579731

>>2579723
>>2579703
wtf no, i like pretty female avatars but i don't like them sexualized, simple as that. what's this weird push that women like to look at softporn imagery of their own sex?
>>2579720
beauty doesn't mean sexy

No. 2579732

>>2579728
>there isnt such a thing as tasteful erotic content

Please just leave the thread, then. If you can't divide the two, then you have no idea about how to even look at art or the context, to you a pussy it's automatically porn like those weird religious moids. To you, women's bodies are porn. Ick.

No. 2579737

>>2579731
>what's this weird push that women like to look at softporn imagery of their own sex?
Didn't say that women like the look at soft porn of other women. It's that when there is female-orientated porn, for example hetero josei smut, when women self-insert into it they want to self-insert into an attractive and sexy woman. It's that simple. Not defending the medium but women like that exist and calling them lesbians or bisexual is unfair to actual SSA women imo.

No. 2579739

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>>2579732
Erotic content is literally sexual what are you talking about. There is a difference between a nake potrait and erotic content. Anon isnt talking about drawing naked pictures of women she's talking about drawing erotic content, which is indeed sexual.

No. 2579744

>>2579709
>If you are adhering to moid aesthetics you are going to attract moids, simple as.
A woman making art she likes for other women is not "moid aesthetics." Why don't you think women are allowed to complain about those men when they just wanted to make art for women anyway? Just because it happens doesn't mean it's not frustrating, like if you get catcalled just for existing as a woman we're not gonna go "well duh, should have stayed home and never left the house if you didn't want that to happen".
>>2579709
>Why do you need to project onto women its weird, but ok
If humans didn't project we'd have no stories with humans in them ever. No movies, no books, no art. You sound a bit anti-social or autistic perhaps.

No. 2579745

>>2579739
>Using wikipedia as a source
>Wikipedia still doesn't define erotica as porn

Yes nonny, yes. erotica and sex are connected because they are the same thing. Erotica and porn is NOT. Porn is a manifactured product that's aimed at a consumer for their pleasure only, if there's a sex scene in a book or movie that portraits, even explicit-ally (I'm an esl retard) two people being invested in each other or just naked, chilling, doesn't automatically mean porn due to their nature. Nudity isn't automatically porn, women's bodies aren't porn, rape isn't porn because everything needs, again, CONTEXT. If you can't grasp the CONTEXT, then you are media illiterate, that's it. Sex is a natural part of humanity, as well sexual attraction, porn stemmed from puritan views and weird moid projecting their shit morality. We are born naked. Yes, our society got pornified, no, having sex and drawing it is not automatically porn. I'm feeling like I'm explaining this stuff to a retarded kid, I'm tired.

No. 2579746

>>2579737
Pickmes is more of an apt term for those. They are also a minority, Teen Love is really niche and will never come close to the popularity of yaoi. Claiming those women's sexualities is the norm is just untrue. There are more women in BL and booktok cringe than women into TL, it's an extremely niche market.

No. 2579751

>>2579732
>to you a pussy it's automatically porn
or maybe nonna isn't interested in looking at a pussy? how odd is it that straight women don't what to look at female genitals
>>2579737
yeah, but there's a difference between sexy and sexualized. sexualization by definition cannot be empowering

No. 2579753

>>2579745
>ree erotic content isnt porn
>but also i must depict my women in my porn, i mean erotic content, as male gazey approved women otherwise it's tumblr tif art! wait waah why are men following
lmao, sure anon. Your porn is totes not porn it's ackshually something deeper that us mere mortals wouldnt understand, you need to have a very high IQ to understand porn. Btw if you search erotic content in google all you get is obvious porn kek.(infighting)

No. 2579755

>>2579753
Quick question, do you believe that women in african tribes that barely cover their chests (some don't) are pornified just because they bare their chests so their portraits are automatically porn? You sound so terribly autistic.

No. 2579758

>>2579745
Like, why are some nonnas weird about people having normal, natural sex? How is it comparable to porn? I take two normal people being intimate with each other over pornslop where SEX SEX SEX is the only thing that matters. Erotica will always be more empowering for treating both sides as equals.

No. 2579760

>>2579755
How is a naked woman just existing comparable to erotic content meant to arouse the viewer? it's like you are too dense to understand erotic content is sexual in nature, otherwise it wouldnt be erotic it would just be naked photography/art. You remind me of moids at my art classes who claimed their naked drawings of women were totes not pornography they were art and were just appreciating the naked body, but then would never show interest in drawing men or the male body kek. Interesting how erotic content always focuses on the sexualized female body and the male pleasure and it's never about a sexy man or a woman being pleasured. Totes not porn tho.

No. 2579761

>>2579554
Who's the artist?

No. 2579763

>>2579758
Because they are illiterate. They believe that sex is porn like moids but try to have a radfem approach so both are bad for some fucking reason. They don't see context, sadly is that simple.

No. 2579764

>>2579758
No one is talking about having sex, they are talking about depicting sex through a medium(in this case art) which is pornography. It's insane to me that people dont know the difference between intimate sex and sex as a product.

No. 2579765

>>2579760
>How is a naked woman just existing comparable to erotic content meant to arouse the viewer

And what the fuck I've been saying? I want to draw BOTH nudity AND (and, meaning at the same tìme, meaning that they're not mutually exclusive) erotica and since I'm not a retard that believes that nudity means sex or porn but moid do, how can I make my nudity pieces less appealing to them? That was my first question, you just went on a super autistic retarded ramble about how nudity automatically appeals to men, as if naked women only exist for men and women can't find it attractive or aesthetically pleasing for some fucking reason that you cannot comprehend. Make up your mind or stop being in a tunnel.

No. 2579766

>>2579764
So having sexual themes in your story or art is bad regardless of how it's depicted? Is thinking about sex the only time it's fine? What if I make content in a private discord where only my followers see what I make? I'm not saying we should shove sexual art out in the open where kids are, but it's werid you're likening non-hyperseuxalized depections of sex to porn when the whole point of porn is how fake it is.

No. 2579768

>>2579765
>how can I make my nudity pieces less appealing to them?
idk draw body hair, very old women, give them cellulite. You are basically asking for men to stop being straight and finding women attractive and thats impossible.

No. 2579769

>>2579766
Absolutely no one is saying that? please read the thread before responding. Anon wants to draw porn involving women and not attract men kek

No. 2579770

>>2579760
>Interesting how erotic content always focuses on the sexualized female body and the male pleasure and it's never about a sexy man or a woman being pleasured

have you tried looking out, for that stuff? Because I can make a list. Just because you've been socialized with moids (to the point that you believe that a woman calling you sexy is the exact same as a moid doing it) and only consume moid-made shit but come on, you have the object permanence of a baby, just because it's not in your field of view, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

No. 2579772

>>2579770
>to the point that you believe that a woman calling you sexy is the exact same as a moid doing it)
is it really that weird to you that some women just dont want to be sexualized jfc. Also feel free to recommend your totes not porn, they probably feature hideous men.

No. 2579774

>>2579755
nta, but what a dishonest comparison. bare chests of tribal women aren't porn, they simply don't appeal to straight women. is it that hard to grasp?
>>2579765
but why are you expecting women who are not ssa find your nudity pieces appealing? female form isn't something special that has to be admired universally by both of the sexes

No. 2579777

File: 1750945165512.jpg (Spoiler Image,303.27 KB, 813x1163, RCO094_1486108928.jpg)

>>2579772
If you think that this is straight appealing porn, despite being a lesbian love story with erotic elements, then you are purely retarded with no grasp of media literacy.
Stuff is out there, go fetch. Some women want to draw other women fucking, that's it.

No. 2579778

>>2579724
Let's skip the argument and get straight to the answer with the most sense: no.

No. 2579780

>>2579774
yes but some do and I want to do stuff for them, if you do not like it why do you even care? Just don't look at it, lol?

No. 2579781

>>2579777
>anon doesnt know yuri exists
lol, lmao even. I dont know why you think some text is going to filter some men from fapping to pixar baby faced lesbians with alt hair.

No. 2579785

>>2579781
Yes, of course, just like men won't stop raping women even in muslim countries where they have to wear the burka, so what do we do? Stay inside?

No. 2579791

>>2579780
so why do you care if your art will attract moids? they like to look at naked women no matter how shittily drawn they are

No. 2579792

>>2579781
It is now forbidden to enjoy things and ask women what they like or find appealing in erotica because men fap to it anyway. Got it.

No. 2579793

>>2579791
Because I want to appeal more to women and find the right audience because I know there's a niche that likes the same stuff that I like. It's not that weird. If putting some body hair will make some moids go away, it's still a moid less that's following me and I want to appeal to women for any reason because I don't care about what women do with my art, because they're not moids. It's not that deep, you brilliant mind.

No. 2579796

>>2579792
So you acknowledge men will fap to it anyways, so why get angry when men follow you? just draw whatever you like, you are not going to filter moids unless you draw very tif adjacent stuff like unappealing women that dont fall under whats considered 'erotic'. You can literally block comments from people that you dont follow you on shitter if you dont want moids commenting.

No. 2579799

>>2579793
Then just draw whatever the fuck you like? why are you making a mountain out of a molehill. Research what women like and draw that, jesus it's not that hard.

No. 2579801

>>2579796
Men will fap to a puddle or a steak in a radiator, we can't do much about it in general but we can make stuff LESS appealing for them. Women don't have to get ugly or gross only to avoid getting hit on by men, that's tif logic, what I asked is that there is a method, without falling into tumblr art that's recognizely gross, to draw erotica without making it a porny product.
>>2579799
And that's why I asked this shit on lolcow, where moids are instabanned, and asked other women itt what they like but no, you came to shit your morals on the table without getting a single strand of grasp of the context. If you can't help, don't reply, that's simple.

No. 2579808

>>2579801
You came to the worst place because lolcow anons notoriously hate sexualized female self inserts in their coom, hense why the fujo vs yume wars exist. Maybe you should ask in the waifu or lesbian thread what they want to see.

No. 2579810

>>2579808
You're the only one itt making a big fuss about it. It's not a matter of waifu, it's a matter of ART and ART THEMES in general, I believe you're the one so rotted in porn that you don't see anythign than porn and waifu, you're a lost cause.

No. 2579812

>>2579801
>Women don't have to get ugly or gross only to avoid getting hit on by men, that's tif logic, what I asked is that there is a method, without falling into tumblr art that's recognizely gross, to draw erotica without making it a porny product.
I mean you clearly belive that women that dont adhere to male ideals of beauty are ugly and gross, so ofcourse you are going to attract male followers. It's so weird that you both claim to hate moids but also hold women to male imposed beauty standards. You are always going to attract men if you dont draw what you consider gross women, ask yourself why. I honestly dont understand why you just dont draw what you find attractive, who cares if men like it too.

No. 2579816

>>2579810
I am not the one calling women who arent sexually appealing to men gross and ugly kek to me all women are just humans, because i am not gay and i couldnt give less of a shit if a woman is attractive or not. You hold women to male standards then get angry when moids like your art. Say whatever about tif art but they do manage to filter moids by drawing women they consider ugly.

No. 2579820

>>2579812
>I mean you clearly belive that women that dont adhere to male ideals of beauty are ugly and gross

What are you, twelve? I was talking about tumblr ART STYLE that's notoriously gross in general with shit proportions, often yellow teeth and purple eyelids/dark circles, gross genitals and overall a grimy, dirty vibe. Again, why do you talk if you can't grasp the context? What I meant is that we don't have to resort to ugly things or ugli-fy ourselves so men will leave us alone. Yes, I believe that tifs that transition to escape "womanhood" due to trauma and give themselves horrible beards and scars due to the mastectomies are fucking gross, because it's all connected. You don't know my beauty standards kek

No. 2579821

>>2579801
>>2579793
but you've already admitted that "osa" women who are into female nudes are unusurprisingly a minority and you think you can build an audience this specific. it's impossible to post a drawing of an attractive, naked woman and not have men follow you at the same time. better to accept it and move on.

No. 2579823

>>2579591
>but how I can get my erotica art less appealing to moids?
Judging from what the other nonas are saying; you can't. Due to men being just as varied as women (the shocking truth), you'll get stragglers hanging on no matter how you shake them. It might just be a matter of you blocking any you com across.

No. 2579828

>>2579820
No one said anything about the artstyle, i was talking about drawing hairy, fat, cellulite women, which men find gross. You can draw it in your artstyle if you want. You claim to want to filter men but also dont want to draw things that would filter them because you consider them ugly lol.

No. 2579831

>>2579828
>No one said anything about the artstyle
I did. In the first question. Tif art stems from tumblr art. Know your enemies, nonna. I never said that I consider certain features ugly, this is the art thread, I was talking about art styles.

No. 2579838

What the fuck happened to this thread. I would rather see the ari brujo sperging back in this thread than this retarded argument again for the 100000th time

No. 2579843

>>2579838
Are you participating in Art Fight, nona? I too am surprised to see this shit here kek

No. 2579844

>>2579831
Then if you know whats unnapealing to men just draw that? anon pls. I dont understand why you dont just simply draw for yourself, regardless of what moids think.

No. 2579848

>>2579844
Because that's like saying ohh men fap to women, then why don't you draw gay furries since they're not females or human?

No. 2579851

>>2579848
It's mostly men fapping to gay furries too kek

No. 2579857

>>2579848
No one is saying you shouldnt draw women. Your problem is that men will fap to it, which is a given because most men are straight. There is nothing you can do about it, might as well accept it.

No. 2579866

>>2579843
No I'm not. I was one of the nonnies that got banned last year kek! I thought about doing it again with friends under a new username but I changed my mind.

No. 2579902

File: 1750951484554.jpg (253.25 KB, 947x1200, velinxi.jpg)

I was in love with someone's art style many years ago, it was unique and soulful to me but she changed it to one that skinwalks a catalog of popular coom artists. I want to keep her old style alive, so I stole it (technique, not actual works). She's been inactive for years and deleted her old work, whether that makes it better or worse. Picrel is not her, just another artist with copycats. Hope she's doing okay but if she isn't using it anymore, it's free real estate.

No. 2579940

>>2579591
gonna hope my attempt to answer your question doesnt trigger another shitstorm:
>the big one is drawing non-feminine women. anything androgynous, bifauxnens, butch women. especially if its two non-feminine women together.
>avoid making the non-feminine women ultra-roidpigged "muscle mommies" though, thats just another form of unrealistic proportion bound to attract certain types of moids.
>avoid having straps involved, and if you do certainly dont have them refer to it as their "dick" or anything similar, youll draw the futashitters and troons in (speaking of troons, probably should make it clear your characters are all unambiguously female and that you have no interest in drawing futashit ever).
>having one or both parties stay more "clothed" with sports bra/boyshorts as opposed to always doing really skimpy lace lingerie.
>avoid drawing women, even your feminine women, like drag queens (really garish emphasized makeup/lipstick).
>dont draw only erotica, draw other stuff that showcases their personality and history too
>dont pose them like theyre female superheroes breaking their backs on a marvel/dc comic cover, consistently ask yourself if the pose would look dumb or weird if it was a man doing it, same with angles and composition and such.
>have fun and be yourself idk.
also its a little hard to explain why but if youre the anon that posted it, i dont find >>2579777 to be the best example of femgaze f/f. something about the camera angles and the amount of body shots with no face visible? again, hard to explain, a lot of this is "vibes" in the same way you could tell an artist draws hentai coomshit even on sfw pieces. related to my second to last point, i dont feel like id often see this type of composition with male characters.

No. 2579948

>>2579799
Where do you begin it comes to making men sexy under the female gaze?

No. 2579967

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Please let's bring back bullying in art spaces. 2 to 5 years ago, these "autists" didn't exist and everyone adapted and grew up on a silent etiquette in art spaces, losing art sites like newgrounds, deviantart and tumblr (yes this is still up at a fraction of what it used to be) and making everything social media based created these entitled monsters, this one in particular believes that you have to be her friend but at the same time she is taking a social media break, what the fuck. I can give you countless examples of people that do not understand that artists are merely workers and not random people that are your friends, I miss less connected times and people being more on the shy side of autism instead of being entitled. I have these problems with (surprise!) furry customers (they're the most paying people and I'm cleaning their dirty money by putting them in my terf piggybank) but oh god, after years of art being not only art but useless and weird conversation, I'm totally burned out, we need another space to simply be.

No. 2580014

>>2579967
>Please let's bring back bullying in art spaces
What is stopping you from doing it? And there's plenty of bullying in the tiktok art community. Your own fault for 1) going on tumblr and 2) yumeblr. You're like the dumbass anons going on artfight, famously THE tranny furfag site™️, to complain about the userbase that made it what it is.

No. 2580029

>>2580014
what oddly specific assumptions towards that anon kek

No. 2580049

>>2580029
What are you even talking about

No. 2580058

>>2580014
this was on facebook, which is surprisingly full of these type of autists and no, you are not aware of how the slightest rude reply could kill your career in corporate internet

No. 2580060

>>2580058
If you really cared about bullying harmless autists into not sharing their interests on the world wide web you'd make another account just for that purpose. Tch

No. 2580062

>>2580060
I am but one soldier without an army…

No. 2580124

>>2579967
>Love and Deep Space
of course

No. 2580224

There’s no way this thread has infights every single day. Anyway, for the nonna that asked, I don’t think there’s a particular way to make your art less appealing to men, specially when it features women, and I understand not everyone wants to do yaoi (specially if it is just to avoid men). But what you can do is base your art/take inspiration/etc on work/art that has more of a female fanbase and that has a female author.
For example
-Sex and the City
-Vintage romance movies, specially with female screenwriters
-Anais Nin’s work
-Vintage Josei
-Anne Rice
-Violette Leduc
-Angela Carter
-Leonora Carrington
-Blue is The Warmest Color (not sure about the movie, but the comic is very good)

Sorry I would recommend more but my mind is empty right now. I’m not going to infight about this but erotica is definitely different from porn (or at least the classical view we have of it). Some anon is going to reply to this saying yaddayaddayadda male gaze but this is just my opinion, and also I’m not sure there is ever a way to escape the male gaze, even living your life avoiding it is also living to it in a way. What we can do is live despite it, and do the art you love with all your emotions…

No. 2580253

>>2580224
>There’s no way this thread has infights every single day.
Literally just summerfags doing what they do, I cannot believe any of these people use LC for more than a couple weeks per year and look at boards besides /ot/. You can tell because usually the normal insights are about art related topics and not random fucking derailing bullshit like it has been coincidentally when schools out or almost out.
>>2579967
Is this something you've been sent or on the profile of someone who sent you something? If I find a client annoying and overly friendly I'll pull a "I have a low social battery and anxiety you're literally twiggering me!!!" Don't know if that's something you'd want to stoop to nor has this been tested out on uber autists.

No. 2580311

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The Redditsexuals are fighting

No. 2580314

>>2579777
It still depresses me that the creator of this comic trooned out.

No. 2580316

>>2579591
Would probably just be easier to block the guys that follow you, you can also block and unblock to simply dislodge yourself from their following list. Otherwise things to consider
>pose the female figures with attractive men
>use a more realistic art style with strong emphasis on backgrounds
>sexualized body parts should take up no more than 30% of the composition
>draw/post boring things like still lifes and what you ate that day

No. 2580349

>>2579940
I agree with the point about the faces being cropped out in the earlier image. That and the fact that the women look like twins and have the same kind of "cherubic" face.
Women seem to like detailed, expressive, unique faces more than men, who prefer having more generic or minimized faces (hence coomer art styles typically having super-detailed bodies and tiny heads with cartoony faces). Men also like more childlike features on women (gross), whereas women who like women seem to prefer more mature features (not speaking for straight women, some seem to want to project on tiny cherubic women, but just speaking from a f/f perspective). Though anon might think having unique facial features are too TIF-y lol, having adult-looking and well-characterized faces in focus is something men tend to find offputting.

No. 2580367

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Not sure if it's the correct thread for this kind of question but is there any way to write female loser NEET character that won't attract the "she's literally me fr" crowd, troons and coomers? I don't plan to make super realistic webcomic story, it will be slightly Watamote inspired but with adult characters

No. 2580376

>>2580367
Have the character absolutely loathe troons. Or if you want to be more stealth about it, hide it behind "modern ideals" or something like that.

No. 2580383

>>2580367
Coomers will show up if the character is attractive to them. You can kinda sorta control this to an extent depending on the design and styling. Like have her dress very bland and she's into yaoi or something.

No. 2580387

>>2580367
I feel like the writing thread might be better for this, as there would be more anons that would be able to give you good advice and also to avoid sitting through another four hour infight.

No. 2580391

>>2580367
Maybe this is dumb but give her some traditionally feminine interests? Whenever I see those coomer NEET female characters she always has nerdy moid interests. Which I have too kek but maybe give her some feminine ones.

No. 2580393

>>2580367
Maybe making her gnc would scare them off

No. 2580396

>>2579547
ngl the right is ugly but it's drawn really well. >>2579561 this edit is the best version

No. 2580397

>>2580367
short answer: no
you will attract a lot of women too though.

No. 2580400

>>2579777
Thank fuck this was spoilered, nearly threw up in my mouth before I could cover it back up again

No. 2580402

>>2580391
Really good point.

No. 2580437

>>2580367
no, the "she's literally me" crowd latches onto anything, random designs, pictures, memes, and shows and books they havent even read. And trannies/coomers go after simple tropes and anything female without development or characters thats are just quirky enough or if they have something in common with them
can i ask whats the point of your question?

No. 2580438

>>2580367
There's no totally foolproof way to do that just in writing, you'd be better off heavily shittalking men who reply to you. Don't use overdone archetype signifiers (men who are into neets are moreso into a certain "vibe" and stereotypical look). Hard to explain but look up "femcel" on pinterest or tumblr, and avoid fitting in with that aesthetic.
Tell us more about the character.

No. 2580441

>>2580400
Why? The sex is beyond inoffensive.

No. 2580451


No. 2580477

>>2579547
tranny squidward

No. 2580479

>>2580451
Why suggest the dead dupe thread and not the actual one? >>231750

No. 2580487

>>2580349
Is it weird to prefer more simplified and "cute" faces as a (non-straight) woman? I prefer it for male characters too.

No. 2580490

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>>2580441
NTA. Some of us are extremely prudish and/or straight, please understand.
>>2580487
I don't see why that would be weird, especially if you also like more cartoony or simplified art styles. No need to get neurotic about stylistic preferences.

No. 2580494

>>2578424
I always hated these boring ultra simple examples. Id prefer to see people take existing character designs and make annotations about it's shape language

No. 2580554

>>2580367
Her nerdy interests are collecting husbando merch and studying biology. That should at least keep the troons away.

No. 2580557

>>2580311
Why not just call them straight? It’s what they are. The aidens and fujos will stop pestering you for representation if you just stop baiting them with your “queer” shit.

No. 2580558

>>2579510
Man I miss the Holly thread KEK. Brujo's feels like her spiritual successor in terms of art regression but her milk isn't half as entertaining.

No. 2580576

There's an artist I hate purely because of some spiteful reason. Their art isn't bad at all, just purely mediocre. But holy shit every time I see it I want to go on a fucking rampage because I hate fat OCs KEK
>>2580479
Because I am an illustrator and not a writer; I don't go on threads I have nothing to contribute towards.

No. 2580592

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>Looking through Art Fight characters.
>Saw this cute little cat-fish creature.
>Wanted to know more.
>Immediately assaulted with tits.
>Sobs into hands.

No. 2580629

>>2580576
>fat OCs
So you want everyone to be skellie basically?

No. 2580633

>>2580629
Loving your
>You like waffles so you must hate pancakes
approach. Let me clarify; no. I prefer chubby over spherically obese, borderline blueberry fetish.

No. 2580703

>>2580576
Is this twitter or some other platform where you can block them get on with your day? I don't get being annoyed with a specific artist when it's never been easier to avoid them outside places like close-knit discord servers where you have too many mutuals to be able to discretely mute/block. I do have a few personal art cows that fall under the latter category, my only solace is that I have an art friend I can bitch about them to kek

No. 2580713

>>2580592
nothing wrong with big tits on a character but why does she have minecraft cube tits kek

No. 2580736

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>>2580703
>Is this twitter or some other platform where you can block them get on with your day? I don't get being annoyed with a specific artist when it's never been easier to avoid them outside places like close-knit discord servers where you have too many mutuals to be able to discretely mute/block.
Yes. And normally I do! But unfortunately I am weirdly addicted to hating on this individual. Still trying to clock if TIF or stinky moid and I can't stop checking. I usually bitch to a friend about them too but they keep saying
>Please do yourself a fucking favor and forget they exist ffs
kek,

No. 2580758

>>2580592
I get the feeling this is one of those closed species ocs.

No. 2580760

>>2578695
NTA but the "overdesign" is easy to avoid, as I'm very sure Genshin and other gachas do it on purpose to make the character look expensive. It's different if it's something ornamental and decorative, but excessive on a story-backed character.

Detailed or simple, the design of a character should serve to tell their story, either their own or the world around them. The Genshin and similar gacha designs don't do that; they're designed to rob an addict's wallet.

No. 2580763

>>2580576
Did you reply to the wrong post because I could not write a more nonsensical answer if I tried.
>why did you link to a obviously defunct thread no one has ever used?
>because I'm an illustrator teehee

No. 2580764

>>2580763
Nah. I was saying I linked to the wrong thread because I put minimal effort into finding the right one. Literally
>writer thread go brr

No. 2580775

>>2580736
Ah, as much as I hated the transvestigating in the older artist salt threads, I admit that I'm addicted to doing it with users I come across in the wild. If only I knew you personally nonnie, I'd love to waste time transvestigating them with you, all my art friends are TRAs, so I have to keep that to myself kek

No. 2580786

>>2580775
>transvestigating
Agreed. It's kinda annoying ITT but individually just sitting down and spending an hour speculating if they're LARPING in one direction or another is so fucking funny.

No. 2580822

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>>2580736
god I’m the same, but probably more of pathetic about it. For whatever reason an artist and fic writer who I really admired who is a tif but honestly I loved her art too much to care became best friends with another tif with an artstyle comparable to that of a literal ten year old despite being in her mid 20s and a very outwardly spedtard tier way of writing the characters from the fandom they were in and I watched as she parasitically sucked away at everything that made the admirable artist so great- her letting her insert her shitty writing and headcanons into all her subsequent work and her artstyle plummeting to boring tasteless shit despite it so unique and inspiring before. She fucked off and barely posts anymore but I’m addicted to checking on her friend to see whatever new shit she has to pump out and seethe about it. I’ve been doing it for a couple years at this point and have speeded about it at great lengths on this site before. I also wish I could stop but I’m still too autistic about the characters she ruined

No. 2580854

I kinda miss twisted disaster chan. Where is our kind TD nona? I feel an absence in our last thread and hope she's OK lol.

No. 2580880

>>2580822
Your sign to be the person with the artstyle comparable to that of a 10 year old doing the befriending in the future kek. A lot of fandom artists and writers don't care about skill level, they just want someone to regularly share ideas with. It doesn't evem matter what size their following is, if you see an artist who is not interacting much with mutuals they're very likely not talking to anyone in that community.

No. 2580909

>>2580880
the reasonable part of me knows that but unfortunately I’m too mentally ill and hating this person is a literal addiction. I was even back and forthing on the compulsion to jump at the opportunity to sperg about her in this thread but ultimately caved, but honestly i’m kind of thankful it’s not being met with enablement

No. 2580920

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>>2580822
ayrt this literally sums up how I view the interaction between punipunchu and mcsiggles back in the Homestuck days KEK
Granted, McSiggy is boring as shit after you see her struggling with whatever for the umpteenth time and I dropped off back in 2018.

No. 2580980

>>2580758
you're right, its a species called succubuns https://succubuns.com

No. 2580982

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This moku person has been making weird somewhat schizo vagueposts for a day and it seems like this was the reason kek, has anyone else been seeing this? She was straight up tweeting “I win hehe” to her 13k+ followers

No. 2580986

>>2580920
>punipunchu
I was so obsessed with her rusame works omfg

No. 2580991

>>2579615
Sorry but it's impossible to not appeal to men, even if you draw yaoi gay moids will still follow you, men will masturbate to anything

No. 2581005

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>>2580991
This needs to be beaten into anons' heads as has been done itt however it should be said that you should not let that unfortunate fact hold you back. You need to be secure in yourself and your work, you let moids win if it stops you from making things. Anons are telling you this because if your methods of warding them off doesn't work or backfires you'll be at the very least be incredibly upset by it.

No. 2581042

>>2580991
Nah, fags had to make their own version of yaoi(barashit) because they got filtered by light sabers and sparkly bishies. It's kinda funny how both pickmes and straight moids consider the same type of women attractive meanwhile fujos and fags taste differ so much. Men really hate pretty men, they like bloated hairy corpses with monkey faces.

No. 2581051

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>>2580982
it’s a shame that this reply got reported kek

No. 2581081

>>2579489
i use to lurk on ic but i was always upset, there wasnt any deep discussion about art as seen thought the lenses of fandom culture and critique of gendie stuff

No. 2581082

>>2581051
>>2580982
What could this possibly be about kek

No. 2581084

>>2580760
What if I'm not the biggest fan of plain things but also hate drawing overly detailed slop? What If i'm in the middle when it comes to this? It's not that either side is bad, but it seems like both see their point as objectively good while the other is objectively bad. There's never a 3rd option. You either go do this or don't bother. I'm a huge fashion lover and nothing pisses me off more than piss simple coomer designs where the girl is in bikini and shorts or a outfit that exist solely to show skin and nothing else. There can be iconic fits made from this approach but most of the ones I've seen always came off as underwhelming like a wet fart or a dry cough.

No. 2581089

>>2581082
she is convinced this memi girl accused her on being trans and that broke her and now is actively stalking her, has a whole Instagram highlight dedicated to this autistic girl when she has twice the following

No. 2581107

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>>2580982
funny that she accused that girl of being a pedophile despite shipping herself with the shotabait character from dungeon meshi lol

No. 2581121

>>2581042
I used to go to myreadingmanga way back and logged on recently. It's infested with bara shit and american comic book style BL. it's honestly disgusting.

No. 2581131

>>2581121
I will never forgive MRM for comment banning me because I told a troon translator to stop putting pics of his disgusting micro dick at the end of chapters.

No. 2581133

>>2581131
those bastards comment banned me too. I'm still trying to figure out why, but MRM has gone downhill in the last few years and i severely blame the shift from eastern BL/Yaoi to western garbage ruining it.

No. 2581179

>>2581133
I remember reading stuff on there and seeing shitass TIFs thinking that some monster alien was "me for real". That site is in the dumps yeah. There ARE still uploads of nonwestern, nonbarashit. I haven't been on there as often after that one zombie comic concluded though. Some western comics have decent styles. Some.

No. 2581198

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>>2581051
>>2581082
>>2581107
I’ve been following moku for a while now and holy kekk just realized memi is the same person who went on a based terf rant, she said “what is a woman guys” with a followerbase filled with gendies in this digital art community which caused moku to have a meltie. What a legend honestly

No. 2581205

>>2581198
Meo clearly full of self hate and swinging at kindness kek
This is some wild shit.

No. 2581206

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>>2581198
Please tell me someone else witnessed this last year kekk it was so funny watching it unfold

No. 2581208

>>2581206
nta Every troon that ruined Homestuck coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches KEK

No. 2581209

>>2581198
She's right though. Trannies are self hating retards that still hate themselves after they mutilate. They really hate hearing the truth. 41% really needs to be closer to 100%

No. 2581213

>>2581208
It really is a sight to behold. Like, wheres the rule that you have to be a troon faggot in order to like Homestuck? kek

No. 2581222

>>2581198
I'm reading her page and this girl is kinda funny, her posting style reminds me a bit of earlier twitter

No. 2581238

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>>2581222
I absolutely cackled

No. 2581248

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>>2581206
maybe i think this way to hype myself up or cope with the loneliness of being gc in a gendie fandom, but there's something so powerful about being a terf and consuming… even enjoying! content by gendies. my main fandom is a webseries with a HUGE gendie fandom, like it's expected for you to become a person of gender after being in a while (which is so fucking sad!) and some fans eventually went to work on the webseries, soooo many of them gendies, eventually adding their poison in the content (which is so fucking bittersweet!). it reminds me of homestuck in that context, so i kind of see myself in that girl. and of course there's the constant overflowing stream of trans gcs and fanart and memes and it's all so fucking tiring… but at the end of the day i think it's kinda funny i can enjoy their shit, make silly little fanart (that doesn't get any attention because it isn't coated in thirty layers of poorly designed pride flags) and just pretend to go along with the tq+ stuff, meanwhile these pussies would absolutely explode if a friend or idol of theirs liked a microsecond of a harry potter movie, how ironic!
as for why i'm still here when the creators would probably hate me, idk i've made friendships that have lasted years because of that, and things that you get into during middle school stick with you forever.

No. 2581249

>>2581042
When I was a teen I had a male fag friend who was into yaoi and otome games,they do exist

No. 2581271

>>2581248
I like the way you type. It is very strange.

No. 2581275

Every mediocre at best OC artist thinks their OC is sO uNiqUe and different. This has always been a think but the quirky arrogant posting style of so many artists these days is utterly insufferable. No one gives a shit about your OCs, post them (if you must) and move along.

No. 2581278

>>2581271
>>2581248
She's very cute in a way. Thank you for your thoughts, Snoopy nona

No. 2581314

>>2581275
ngl, you gave me good reason to only original art. I really don't like the press let alone spergs who get mad you drew their husbando wrong kek.

No. 2581325

>>2581314
Ayrt I love OC art and I encourage you to post it! Its what I mostly look at because I dont watch anything recent or anything that really has active fandoms. What I dont like is those shitty OC artists who act like their poorly drawn uninteresting OCs and the artists shitty arrogant personality are a gift to someone. A shitty personality and an annoying OC takes a lot from an artist imo

No. 2581327

>>2581248
Felt good to read this and know i'm not alone, except i don't play along with their stuff i'm just crypto and edgy sometimes.

No. 2581329

>>2581238
Why are you selfposting

No. 2581357

I don't want to make a twitter but it seems like it's what I'm going to have to do.

No. 2581637

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I made a new account on twitter for posting art of a very popular series, have been posting good art of a very popular character under popular tags but i still seem to have absolutely no reach at all. Hat am i doing wrong?? The amount of growth I'm not having feels unnatural,i haven't even broken 5 followers and its like people don't see what i post even under popular tags?
I even had a interaction with a popular artist that would've put my post on her followers' feed, but nothing lmao
I try to be active and comment on other peoples' posts which get a little interaction, but alas
What am i doing wrong here nonnies please save me!! Is it twitter? Or me?

No. 2581640

>>2581637
I think twitter is testing new accounts if they're bots or not

No. 2581708

>>2581329
Nona don't be schizo. I am not selfposting. Why would you even jump to that conclusion?
>>2581640
nta This. I had made my Twitter account earlier this year and it was definitely being sabotaged by the site itself. 6 months in and I have some posts with over 1k retweets. It's likely to shill their checkmark nonsensen.

No. 2581742

>>2581708
nta but because of the profile picture? not saying is you
but idk what retarded attention whore would use elsie as their profile pic though even if they changed it

No. 2581778

>>2581742
Holy shit I didn't realize that was Elsie. Selfposting implies it was me though I don't know how else I was to interpret it…
But real talk nonas, which one of you was actively harassing moku KEK
I was about to follow the memi account when the other nona >>2581222 mentioned it was like early twitter posting. But then I checked the follower count and I'd probably be seen as a TERF

No. 2581799

>>2581708
Yeah, if you start retweeting other people's stuff, twitter should send you a message in a week, it was mentioned in one of artist salt threads

No. 2581817

>>2581005
i agree, im not gonna let hypothetical moids stop me from having a good time, they do that irl but my art is mine, im not gonna give them that headspace + i dont like bl, fujos or drawing moids at all

No. 2581818

>>2581637
Probably because there are a lot of people posting art of the series, so your stuff unfortunately gets lost in the sea of other people’s art

No. 2581822

>>2581799
>Yeah, if you start retweeting other people's stuff, twitter should send you a message in a week
A message about what? What does this mean

No. 2581823

>>2581275
i only follow people for their oc content nowadays cause most fanart is either lame twitter memes, derivative pinterest art or gendie butchering. most ocs are lame and derivative but as long as the artist knows their shit instead of just posting character sheets full of flags and useless facts, you can have a good time browsing.

No. 2581825

>>2581822
that you're no longer shadowbanned

No. 2581829

>>2581825
I thought shadowbanning was a rumor and not something that social media sites actually notified you of?

No. 2581851

>>2581829
No it's definitely for real, though the point is that they don't notify you. Usually they try to play it off as just random glitchiness, and when they do admit shadowbanning is real they often claim it's only meant for bot accounts and any human who gets shadowbanned has been the victim of an unfortunate error. Anyone talking about how shadowbans are used deliberately to silence legitimate users is smeared as a conspiracy theorist. Alternatively some have admitted they use shadowbans against perceived "trolls" and otherwise "harmful" users, and if you complain then you must be a troll too.

IDK about twitter's implementation but shadowbanning is verifiable on reddit and tumblr. New reddit accounts start out shadowbanned a lot (probably to do with whether they like your email domain (anything not gmail must be a throwaway for a spammer, right?) and your past account history), so if you post something and check it while logged in, it will look normal, but if you log out and check, the comment isn't there. If you message the subreddit mods (and they're decent, competent people), they'll usually tell you outright that your account is shadowbanned sitewide and manually approve your comment. On tumblr, users who are shadowbanned can't send messages or mention other users, and their comments and asks aren't received, and their blogs don't show up in searches, and when they interact with any post they don't show up in the notes, and their original posts won't show up on their follower's dashboards.

No. 2581899

>>2581851
nta Yeah, my friend tested it and said my account had no posts when seeing it from their side on Twitter.
On Tumblr I got shadowbanned for tagging a picture as crossdressing, and a friend of mine (different) was rambling about getting shadowbanned for talking in excess about her BL ship.

No. 2581909

>>2581851
I hate when Instagram users complain about people liking too many of their art posts because they think they’ll get shadowbanned for it. Petty and ungrateful

No. 2581916

>>2581248
This is so true. It's just the more healthy thing to do. Like sure i could restrict my social circle by 99% because people are stupid, but that ends up just stifling my enjoyment. Just curious, what fandom are you in? for me it's deltarune which is embarrassing as hell because the fandom is majority kids but there are some chill adults

No. 2581946

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Tried to look up RCDart, and found their locked resume thing. I wanted to see if there was any change in art style over the years, but kind of curious if something happened to her (?) irl.

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>>2581946
samefag Inspired by this post I'd seen on her KYM entry. I actually never looked into RDCart beyond the initial Captain America thing.

No. 2581955

>>2581946
the girl with the cap and maybe the crocodile are the only ones that arent ugly as fuck, amazing its like she made an effort to make them bad

No. 2581961

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>>2581198
I don't really get what the drama is but this girl seems kind of insane to me and this other acct >>2581238 is using an Elsie profile picture from here >>>/m/248479 (which she changed after it was called out) so … yeah it seems like someone's selfposting lol. Not that the other girl isn't retarded too I just think that they might all be retarded

No. 2581973

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>>2581961
>(which she changed after it was called out) so … yeah it seems like someone's selfposting lol.
I found this person's quote in picrel so I have no idea how old it is. Whether or not it was changed after being called out here or on moku's post is beyond me. I'm not going to identityfag to show it wasn't me selfposting, but believe what you will.

No. 2581979

Does anyone remember the old art confessions/art gossip tumblrs? Places like artists-confessions, artist-gossip, etc… A few of them closed down because some people went on a crusade against them because they saw it as bullying (which some of the posts were but there was also a lot of other posts that were actually milk) and others just… died from inactivity. They were my daily source of drama for awhile.

No. 2581987

Hate-watching this fucking scrote's stream again. Dude bashes on anime so hard. It's fine, it's fine. I don't care much. But seeing him try to grift is so fucking funny. He's heavily reliant on references and that's fine I don't see that as being an issue. But man, it's wild how much he harps on and on about it.

No. 2582007

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>>2581997
And the other nonas thought I was you huh.

No. 2582017

Twisted Disaster did another video and even though she started out fine, she still ends ups saying something dumb and even delusional in her case. For starters, it's so annoying how she says that the world is currently on fire. She's been saying this a lot recently, more than likely because she kept hearing it from her retarded zoomer friends or is just spending too much time on Twitter but nonetheless, I can't stand when westerner people say this because it's just tone deaf and not true. I'd understand if she lived in a place like Iran where things really are unstable and scary because of the war but no. Granted she did have the California fires but even according to her, her area wasn't affected by it as she didn't have to evacuate at all so I mean, I just can't help but feel like she's just being an overly dramatic dumbass.


As the video kept going, she talks about AI and her take, while not anything special, was okay but then she sprinkled in some delusion. She talked about how frustrated she gets when she talks to people around her age or older about what she does for work which is "being an artist" and how these people don't tend to take her seriously and would say things like how it's good that her husband has a real job to bring stable income into their household and she says that she's been doing freelance art for a decade and has been making enough money to cover her bills and to that, I call bullshit as someone who does listen to her streams from time to time.
I don't deny that she probably has been able to make enough to cover things like her phone, internet, and insurance but let's be real, if her husband didn't have a decent high(er) paying job, there's no way her art would cover her expenses to where she'd be living as comfortably as she does. She lives in southern California near Los Angeles and I know the rising costs of living there is ridiculous, even she's complained about that a good few times.

Anyway, I just think it's pathetic that even after all this time, she still feels the need to lie about the reality of things in her life. If her art really was able to cover all her costs consistently, she wouldn't be trying to find an actual stabler job which there's no shame in but seriously, just own it, it's fine. Most of us are doing just that working a conventional job while doing art on the side. I think she just has insecurity because her siblings actually got real jobs and are doing quite well for themselves as I think she said her brother went to law school and her other brother works a conventional job that he's moved up in and they make enough money and more to have a stable lifestyle, at least much more stable than her own and I can understand feeling a little insecure there but flat out delusion isn't the way to go.

That aside, you get to see her abuse the symmetry even more so er, enjoy? kek.

No. 2582033

>>2581829
I recently made an account for a fandom and had this happen. I liked some posts and made a couple of comments, and it let me loose after a few days. The message said something along the lines of "Good to Go" and explained how new accounts start out restricted.
It's absolutely part bot-sniffing, part shilling. Funny when you realize a lot of bot accounts have the checkmark…

No. 2582036

>>2582007
what was the post?

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No. 2582041

>>2581979
I miss them. Though I look forward to binge reading Artfight Confessions after the event is over.

No. 2582042

>>2582038
i hate these newfags
she really felt the need to announce herself based on a couple posts kek

No. 2582051

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>>2581979
Just like you, I used to read them daily especially if they were about an artist I knew, likes and dislikes aside.
Sadly, like you said, most of these have either been deleted or have been taken over and all their posts wiped, supposedly to stop the bullies and such. A shame, since they serve as a time capsule of that time imo.


https://kawaiiartistconfessions.tumblr.com/

https://kawaii-history.tumblr.com/

No. 2582061

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>>2582038
>Jungle theme
picrel
>>2581973
My bad for thinking it was you nonna, I understand now. This current generation is so scary, they're such massive faggots

No. 2582069

>>2582061
>your picrel
ayrt x2 We are all monke here. Chimpe, even. I do not hold it against you. They scare me too kek

No. 2582081

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>>2582038
>>2581973
God everyone involved is a retarded faggot. At most optimistic this memi chick is a bippie kiwifag.

No. 2582099

>>2582081
sucks that edgy retards constantly try to pass as terfs (did she claim being a terf or is she just shitposting about everything?) because they talk shit about trannies like they do any other group or situation
i dont think a kiwifag would actively harass and interact directly with a cow tbh even if they make fun of them
did she say where she got the discord screenshots from? i wouldnt even trust whoever got those, what were they doing on racist twansphobic discords?

No. 2582119

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>>2582051
That art style really was a plague though I think it looks cute when done well. It sucks that so many of the prominent artists dropped off the map tbh I wonder what their current art looks like.

No. 2582133

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>>2582099
She did say she was a TERF, I can't be arsed to log back in and get caps. My thoughts exactly about the discord screenshots (picrel). 505core didn't say where she got them.
>i dont think a kiwifag would actively harass and interact directly with a cow tbh even if they make fun of them
That's exactly what White Glove did, I don't think it's far fetched others have done and do that.

No. 2582213

>>2582119
Oh shit I loved that (face) style as a kid. I didn't know it got as popular as it seems to've. Either that or my retarded ass thought it was all by one person kek

No. 2582228

>>2581947
A lot of people are also missing the context that the most infamous Rob Liefield drawings were made when he was 18 and freshly hired. Impressive he managed to get a job straight up at 18, but frankly very few people are fully skilled until 24-26

No. 2582236

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>>2582228
Idk nonnie, even in that page they posted the feet still look retarded to me. Maybe I just hate his style

No. 2582724

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They just added a free search function to Art Fight.

No. 2582744

Is there a tag for artfight this year? I want to attack nonnies

No. 2582749

>>2582744
someone take her out back

No. 2582752

>>2582744
Nice try but Not this time, always remember nonas what happened last time

No. 2582755

does AF ban 4chan users too or just the evil lc terfs

No. 2582756

>>2582755
only women because its run by misogynistic trannies

No. 2582757

>>2582756
Figures.

No. 2582792

>>2582755
4channers also participate?

No. 2582804

>>2582792
Yes they had a thread where they shared their profile links.

No. 2582806

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>>2582792
Nta but there's a 4chan tag on Art Fight that has a good handful of characters in it, though it's more likely made up of characters that are labelled as 4channers because it's le dark and edgy rather than because it's characters made by actual chan users.
They seem to at least tolerate the existence of 4chan being mentioned on the site because I imagine if you made a character and said that she uses lc it would very likely get you banned for twansphobia

No. 2582817

just report 4channers who use art fight as being part of the racist internet hate machine website, they'll get banned too kek

No. 2583083

im so excited for art fight but i kind of wish i could attack other nonnas instead of random kids and gendies

No. 2583100

>>2583083
If you look hard enough, you can find adults with no pronouns (or even the word “female”) in bio

No. 2583101

>>2582806
the way underages romaticize 4chan is so odd to me like can we just be honest and admit it was always edgy anonymous reddit

No. 2583172

>>2582817
We tried. Artfight mods don't even ban diaper fetishists or obvious eight year olds because they're lazy fucks.
>>2583101
4chan and Reddit used to be on a similar level of edginess prior it being corporatised. I think it's more apt to say it is a regular Anglo image board with a moid majority userbase, it just happened to be the biggest one with a lot of splinter groups and captured very specific eras and groups of the internet. The whole "image boards are so freaking edgy and evil!!" thing is such a weird hold over.

No. 2583272

Can I still gain followers on a Twit account that I've had for a while but is dead? Or should I make a new one?
Same with Insta, will the algorithm punish me for reviving an old account?
I'm not looking to market for money just want an online art friend group and I always feel humiliated and lame starting a fresh account from zero.

No. 2583278

>>2583272
>Can I still gain followers on a Twit account that I've had for a while but is dead? Or should I make a new one?
Old account is better. New accounts are shadowbanned. I recommend scrolling up ITT to find out how other nonas have reviewed alternative sites for posting art.

No. 2583280

>>2583172
>Artfight mods don't even ban diaper fetishists or obvious eight year olds
That's a concerning combination

No. 2583287

>>2581946
She probably just failed into break into the industry after acting like a retard in college

No. 2583288

>>2581637
>have been posting good art of a very popular character under popular tags
You need to be a little more niche. Start off with something that has a super dedicated autistic cult following instead of whatever popular thing is the FOTM

No. 2583290

>>2583287
I recall her resume/cv had listed that she worked on an animated commercial. Besides beanmouth slop or viral indie cartoons it seems like the only animation jobs are for medical advertisements

No. 2583292

>>2583288
and it's better to get into a popular series before it gets an anime announcement or right when a movie comes out

No. 2583303

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>>2581198
>>2581206
Kek I remember this. Also
>How do you like homestuck but ur a TERF?
Do these retards not realize that a lot of people read Homestuck back before it and the fandom became infested with gender nonsense? Some of these Xitter users probably weren't even born yet when the comic began. With the exception of Davepeta, who only appears for a little bit at the very end, gendershit is totally absent before the epilogues. It's very easy to read and enjoy Homestuck on its own (not the epilogues, not the sequel, and not the dating sim slop) as someone who doesn't subscribe to gender ideology. Meanwhile these children shit their diapers when Karkat says retard or John calls Bro white.

No. 2583307

>>2582228
No, his art still sucked for quite a long time after that, trust.

No. 2583415

>>2583303
There are/were multiple terfs on the Hiveswap team.

No. 2583458

>>2583415
Elaborate (unless you don’t want to reveal their identities)

No. 2583540

>>2579902
sameeee. theres an artist who i used to follow obsessively because i loved her art style but she dropped them and got a new persona and has been doing sakimichan esque paintings lately. ive been wanting to steal her art style for years now but i thought it was weird… but your comment made me think that its probably normal.

No. 2583622

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I need a second opinion on this nonnas, sometimes i draw sfw artworks and other times i draw more nsfw stuff (nothing too explicit, just spicy) but most of my followers followed for the sfw stuff, and i've been posting more and more spicy content, should i just create a new account to post nsfw stuff separately or continue with the same account and just post whatever i like? I'm torn apart because i don't have many followers on my main already, so growing followers on a secondary account would be a chore.

No. 2583704

>>2583622
Depends on the goal. If your spicy stuff is BL, I would recommend making a second account. There's been some weird children online (assuming they're kids) harassing people for drawing BL. Everything else it would depend on if you're trying to get views and association to your spicy content. It may attract an unwanted audience like how some nonas ITT hate moid followers. That would warrant a second account where you can post to your heart's content without fear of the unwanted attention (selective viewership). If you want to post for the numbers, I say just continue as you are.

No. 2583777

>>2583458
ipgd/V/ctset are the same person and she is a terf. The gendie troll in Hiveswap really pissed her off because it was her design kek. She eventually got kicked off the team for being a controlling asshole and never getting over being friendzoned by Hussie.

No. 2583922

>>2583622
In my opinion, you should keep it all on one account, just because I think it's kind of based when artists are bold enough to have their nsfw and sfw accounts on the same page. But like >>2583704 said, a second account can be nice if you care about that sort of thing. Ultimately though I think it's cool haha.

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nonas, tumblr nona from last week here. i kinda followed what you all suggested (being more social by reblogging some stuff on the fandom i'm into, being more careful with the tag placement, etc etc). posting on Sundays boosts posts a lot too! and making a fresh post is better than reblog as well. i'd appreciate more tips to conquer this beast though!

No. 2584075

>>2581206
does anyone know what her art looked like

No. 2584080

>>2581916
>>2581248
how do you deal with that though? there's no way they don't shit on terfs, women in general, suck troon dick, general male worship, etc. do you really enjoy that atmosphere? i was crypto for like ten years and it was fucking miserable lol. made some friends and it was miserable being around they/thems and he/theys and other tras obsessed with controlling how you speak about them and interact with media…it was a cucked mindset and i'm glad i'm free now, i hope you both find normal people to interact with

No. 2584091

>>2584080
I'm feeling this way too. I just want normal artist friends that aren't gendies. I'm very lonely and every discord server I find is plagued with them.

No. 2584151

>>2584091
is it possible to set up a discord channel for /ot/s? like the friend finder thread?

No. 2584168

>>2584151
I wish we could, I’d join. I really want new art friends but i have no idea how to find servers without weirdos. But even if we did make a server, there are lurkers here who would ruin it

No. 2584189

>>2584168
maybe we could do kinda like a terrorist art cell lmao. someone creates the channel, but members are only accepted if another member has given a referral. we could use something based on the friendfinder thread, giving dc usernames, add them as friends, chat for a bit to see if they are /ot/s and then refer to the channel admin. is this too complicated? maybe i guess.

No. 2584201

>>2584189
it's completely ridiculous that rfs have to jump thru hoops like this. like it's easier for racists and pedophiles to connect over shared hobbies than it is women who admit sex is binary. holy shit what a clown world

No. 2584207

>>2584201
tbh, i don't mind the loops, i rather be on something more private where people are good with gatekeeping a space than having a free for all. popular spaces suck because they are popular, where everybody thinks they are entitled to belong there.

No. 2584211

>>2584151
>>2584189
If we did, I'd love to join any kind of server or something if there was a way to keep other people out. I want to actually talk about art without being bombarded by troonshit every day.

No. 2584214

One of the things I miss about these threads is the milk from Artist Youtubers like Baylee and Waffles. I assumed their milk have dried up but it's weird there's no new milky artists around anymore (or nonnas just stopped caring about it).

Speaking of an old cow, Kasey Golden is now having some kind of quarter-life crisis(?) and starting a year ago getting face piercings and a shitload of tattoos.

No. 2584295

>>2584214
I still can't get over her painting with blood, then making a fake post claiming she's painting with urine in her next video only to be like, "haha it's dyed water you nasties! Did you seriously think i would paint with pee" As if she didn't make a previous video painting with her bodily fluids. She definitely was upset that people found her blood video disgusting

No. 2584366

>>2584295
Kinda unrelated but this post reminded me of this girl on deviantart back in like 2013-2015ish who would post vent art self portraits painted with her own self harm blood all the time. She had long black hair and blunt bangs and was kinda chubby and (obviously) had a lot of sh scars. I wish i remembered her username because even over 10 years later i still remember her works… If anybody remembers lmk

No. 2584370

>>2584189
Alternative idea. We have an entry requirement
>draw Elsie in your honest style and put up a certain hand sign next to your screen or drawing
>take a photo
that way TIMs can't ever possibly pass into it, and any TIFs in there have to do something fucky in order to get in, which will hurt their credibility.

No. 2584374

>>2584214
I mean, our beloved Twisted Disaster nona just posted not too long ago. >>2582017 ,
there was the whole moku thing >>2581973 , and I had mentioned RDCart ITT. Nobody's doing anything exceptionally milky afaik.

No. 2584396

>>2584370
I like this idea. even though I have seen so many LC dickswords come and go. or more accurately explode. We could congregate somewhere on the site other than this thread too like the moovie room, and share contacts

No. 2584439

>>2584201
>it's easier for racists and pedophiles to connect over shared hobbies than it is women who admit sex is binary
Honestly what’s stopping us from creating a discord exactly? I’ve seen lolicon servers get banned because they had channels dedicated to posting porn, some of it was loli and that’s against discord rules. Afaik there are no rules on discord that’s against having terf views right? All you have to do is just follow the rules and the server should be fine.
Are people just afraid of being discovered and getting cancelled on social media? I’ve said it countless times here before, but cancellations don’t do jack shit. The most people could do is send anon hate and have a bunch of tifs block you, people will forget and move on very fast. I can understand if you’re a famous artist in the industry, or hoping to break it into the industry which would blacklist you.
Maybe nonas can just use aliases when using discord so you don’t have to link to your social media accounts if you’re worried about that, and just DM your socmed usernames to other nonas who you’ve grown close with and trust. I also like the idea
>>2584370
mentioned, posting your hand and a drawing is a good way of getting obvious moids out. I know of another anonymous female only board that also made people post their hands as proof kek

No. 2584443

>>2584214
I already miss the juby and genice drama. I’m hoping it can revive a bit when genice finally decides to publish her Eden’s gate (or garden) project so we can watch juby go on another bpd meltdown kek

No. 2584444

>>2584439
The problem isn’t getting banned on discord but being flooded by trolls and larping moids and troons who ruin it for everyone else

No. 2584459

>>2584439
Misgendering is literally against Discord's TOS.

No. 2584463

if there's any chance of the discord actually being made, is it going to be art focused or just an lc server?

No. 2584470

>>2584463
Check the thread name.

No. 2584476

>>2584463
Has there ever been a LC discord server in this site's history that didn't completely end in disaster? I don't think this would be a good idea

No. 2584482

>>2584476
no, but i think being art related might mitigate the insanity and infight a bit

No. 2584483

>>2584476
nta Fair. We could just happen to stumble across a freshly made AFAB-Only server that mysteriously only has cis women in it that draw.

No. 2584484

>>2584476
it's going to be invaded by a gendie and immediately every artist inside of it will be exposed for being a terf

No. 2584491

>>2584484
maybe sage your posts talking about this nona..

No. 2584492

>>2584482
Honestly wouldn't that just do the opposite effect? It could possibly go either two ways, hugbox where theres hesitance to criticize or speak against another nona's art in fear of getting retribution for your work or hurting each others feelings, or crab bucket where everyone is out to get one another or a specific person in the server. This is based off patterns I saw in previous LC discords, the removal of anonymity in a discord inevitably leads to drama and animosity between members in the server. I don't see why nonas can't use the general art threads here when moids are unbothered about using /vg/ or /ic/ for advice on how to create their media. Makes me wish CC wasn't the way it is so women can be linked back to a niche imageboard rather than a less niche drama centric imageboard known for its open anti-troon rhetoric

No. 2584499

>>2584370
this sounds good nona, i agree. let's keep on chatting here until we all agree how to set things up.

No. 2584500

>>2584499
pls pls sage i dont want the hidden troons magnetized to this

No. 2584504

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>>2584500
10-4 10-4 nona

No. 2584508

>>2584492
i just want a board to post art, learn, critique and chat. gossip art content already has a home here. by using discord instead of lc people can feel free-er to talk about their creations and improve (all depending on how the nonas behave though)

No. 2584511

>>2584492
yeah maybe
also, now that i think about it, there's definitely tranny cocksuckers on lc that stay here on any thread to get dirt on whoever they dislike but jump at any opportunity to shit on a "terf" site and keep their woke points while shitting on people within their circles

No. 2584514

>>2584500
not to be accusatory but the timing of the discord being planned on summer and nonas being really quick to approve of a discord makes it seem that many were not around during the creation and downfall of multiple LC discord servers created years ago.
You're better off making connections via the friend finder and making the group from there than starting from scratch and recruiting from a LC thread

No. 2584517

>>2584508
nta Might I interest you in a little something dearest artist nona?
>>>/m/485635

No. 2584532

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This talk about creating a discord is strange because this >>2584517 thread and the critique thread exist and we are hopefully about to experience the first CowFight event soon, there's no reason to go off-site that wouldn't have similar risks as here. Maybe you guys could email each other using friend finder and see if you actually like each other before starting a server kek.

No. 2584623

I have experience with running servers so I will share my two cents for anybody who wants to make their own.
1. Asking people to post work for access is your greatest filter. No lurkers should be allowed, they are a death sentence and will only bring drama.
2. No beginners or people who have just started drawing should be allowed inside, or at the very least ask for finished illustrations. No sketch shit and no unfinished work. Moids who can't draw will scribble/trace anything to larp as a woman and gain access.
3. Ban off vibes alone when needed. If somebody is acting weird, then please, for the love of god just kick them. By the time they break a hard rule the majority of your artists will have jumped ship.

No. 2584627

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>>2581271
>>2581278
aww thank you nonners. i have a lot of feelings about the topic at hand so i suppose it bleeds into the way i use words. here's my last snoopy pic so i don't get banned for avatarfagging kek.
>>2581327
i don't play along either. i like to "misgender" nb characters or ignore their existence and none of my tra friends have suspected anything afaik. i'm sure you're not completely alone in your fandom nona, knowing the pushback they'll get many people stay silent.
>>2581916
exactly, at the end of the day i'm a social creature and i want to discuss the media at hand with fellow fans! i'm kinda shy of mentioning my own fandom since it's even more riddled with kids than ut/dr. it's supposed to be an all ages series after all, and i've kinda outgrown it but i've been here for so long it's so hard for me to leaveeee kek. it's not the cookie run fandom but think of it like the cookie run fandom, they have a lot of member overlap too.
>>2582081
man she's a fucking loser and i thought she was some outspoken stacy. sigh.
>>2584080
i'm lucky that the friends i've got are fairly normie, at least normie compared to the majority of the fandom. and also we're older than the fandom average, late teens to early twenties, so they're less likely to get really brainwashed by the gendie virus. the most radical thing they do is saying trans rights or using they/them unironically, beggars can't be choosers. it does get isolating when i want to vent with someone i personally know about this whole gender ideology bullshit, i use lc for my gc fix but it's not really the same. at the end of the day i can't really say i'm miserable, but i do feel a little silly by partaking in a fandom that would advocate for my (virtual) hanging if they knew how i actually felt (but it's made of really young people so you can only hope to grow out of those views fast). i'm pretty sensitive so i wouldn't know how to deal with social death, at least i'm unpopular so i wouldn't have to lose a huge following and possible money source.

i like the idea of a server in the sense of improving and giving each other advice in a more personal form, posting the artwork we actually share on our named accounts (shoutout to kirbyanon and that other nona who makes fanart for the homie game). but i'm also very paranoid, and also worried that many of us would clash because we don't have many things in common outside of art and being anti troon.

No. 2584628

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So on Artfight, I'm trawling through characters to draw with my friend. She discovered there's an incel tag and it's fucking blatant misogyny everywhere. Picrel. I don't get how these female artists draw these characters and live with themselves afterwards. They must really just hate themselves.

No. 2584641

>>2584623
i'm willing to host one and i don't mind doing all of that. i'm probably going to just make an alt to host the server if there is interest since i wanna meet other artist nonas.

No. 2584649

>>2584623
Good takes nona. These, especially no lurkers and ban off of vibes are big ones for me. I have seen really fun, comfortable servers go completely south because everyone ever was allowed to sit in and because weirdos and spergs were not dealt with immediately.

No. 2584650

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>>2584628
Incel ocs have been a kind of new phenomenon in the oc scene tbh. I’ve seen people making memes about it

No. 2584653

>>2584650
Right one looks like the lovechild of Asmongold and MoistCritical kek

No. 2584654

File: 1751258472698.png (1.14 MB, 1291x865, 1.png)

>>2584650
It’s probably mostly zoomers who are obsessed with old internet culture or something, mainly 4chan, while they themselves have never used 4chan in their lives. They just think it’s so quirky and edgy, makes them look cool. It’s so cringe. Reminds me of that canihavepromo girl. Zoomers who are obsessed with the 4chan incel aesthetic and pandering to that crowd are so cringe and huge pickmes

No. 2584656

>>2584628
I don’t see anything wrong with making an incel character, if he’s treated seriously and not like a quirky husbando. But for some reason these girls think incels are just nerds but edgier. Imagine if someone made a rapist oc and acted like it’s cute and silly, they’d cancel them in hours. Also half of them are ripping off Eltingville and Ranfren, but made them worse people to seem ‘original’.

No. 2584659

>>2584656
the thing is it's literally a fetish for them

No. 2584666

>>2584659
I wanna put the girls who have this fetish and a fat smelly incel who is balding and thinks marrying 12 year olds should be legal in the same room and see how it goes

No. 2584669

>>2584623
>Ban off vibes alone when needed.
Please, if you are all making a discord do not make this a rule. Just ban people after they have broken the rules, banning people off of "vibes" will just make the server into a circlejerk of whoever the admin likes the most or a hugbox for them.

No. 2584673

>>2584650
Left just looks like a tif to me

No. 2584679

>>2584628
I figured it was a "pathetic chewtoy you're meant to abuse" type of oc.

No. 2584682

File: 1751260875227.png (404.85 KB, 400x450, Bruford_Infobox.png)

>>2584628
THIS IS A FUCKING JOJO CHARACTER

No. 2584688

>>2584656
Its just the female version of guys who are into "femcels". Basically its just hot weirdos.

No. 2584707

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More "Bluford" shit.

No. 2584708

>>2584707
This niggas oc name is bluford

No. 2584711

>>2584688
minus the hot part.

No. 2584712

>>2584628
They'll grow out of it once they date someone who actually behaves that way and realize the """chad""" abusers and the incels are the same people.

No. 2584714

>>2584708
Fucking Bluford and the color isn't even blue. It's purple.

No. 2584715

File: 1751263909612.png (35.88 KB, 975x479, vc fcvdfdvdfg.PNG)

fandoms: columbo, the bible…

No. 2584740

>>2584715
Not very politically correct in this day and age to woobie Joshua the Israeli militant.

No. 2584754

>>2584712
You KNOW nobody's going to date them.

No. 2584758

>>2584715
Seriously, fucking night court?

No. 2584760

>>2583100
same, can attest to it

No. 2584792

File: 1751273656674.jpg (255.32 KB, 1080x968, Screenshot_20250630_034957_Fir…)

>>2584623
>>2584641
>>2584649
Anyone who is planning on hosting an LC discord should read this article as an inoculation for the crazy drama that typically comes with an LC discord.
https://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/

No. 2584812

File: 1751277001679.png (38.99 KB, 1657x125, what is a straight line kek.pn…)

Admittedly the most petty grievance I have as of today, what program did the artfight designer use to make the card?

No. 2584814

>>2584812
MS Paint or FireAlpaca, something about those pixels are very familiar.

No. 2584821

>>2584654
Canihavepromo and it's consequences have been a disaster for zoomer artists. Also can we get Lottie/Canihavepromo thread since she turned 18?

No. 2584850

>>2584476
>>2584792
I’ve been in several Discords hosted by LC/CC anons that were friendly and didn’t end in drama. It’s possible.

No. 2584954

>>2584669
Yes, but an admin hugbox >>>> an "egalitarian" server where one or a few problem users constantly make things awkward or bring down the vibe. It's impressive how good those kind of users are at being obnoxious without actually breaking any rules. I'm kind of against the idea of making a server (even though I would like to meet you nonas), but any server absolutely would have to be locked down, post hands, post finished art, and luck out and not have an admin that's too retarded to recognize certain scrote tells since males would be the biggest issue to contend with imo (gendies could easily get filtered by a VC interview where they have to explain how and why they're GC). I'm especially skeptical that the last requirement can be met just because of all the recent summerfaggotry in this thread.

No. 2584985

>>2584439
troons own and contribute to every IT thing to ever exist nona

No. 2585696

File: 1751333015003.png (40.36 KB, 1178x328, is this site ran by children.p…)

Uh huh. Hm.

No. 2585736

>>2582051
>clicks link
>cutesy pixels
>small kawaii font
>glitter following the mouse
dear fucking lord i miss 2012-2014. i feel like every year after that just hasn't been real.

No. 2585737

File: 1751334817749.png (53.22 KB, 1490x812, come again.png)

Random Character clicking yields fascinating backstories.

No. 2585738

>>2585736
Late 90s and early y2k I want to say had more of that stuff on every site even.

No. 2585739

>>2585738
This. Anons on here must've been zygotes when all that shit was ACTUALLY popular on the internet.

No. 2585740

>>2585738
>>2585739
My birth year is 1998 so I'm in a weird sweet spot where I can remember the shit younger zoomers and alphas are becoming nostalgia elitists about but then I also have no idea wtf it is YOU'RE talking about.

No. 2585742

>>2585740
Nona that is sad and pitiful and I wish you were born in the golden age. The site I used this stuff on was fc2, where a lot of my favorite artists posted their quaint little blogs. Some neopets shops went apeshit with it too. It was in the most unlikely places like uhh… My Space, Geocities or whatever.

No. 2585759

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Realization my artstyle kinda looks like lacryboy's art minus the pedoslop… and the trannyslop. aaand the weird enlongated snatched waists.

No. 2585761

>>2585742
Yeah, I remember being like, 11-12 years old and browsing all the cool internet shit I saw teenaged millenials doing in the 2000s and feeling SO envious. You guys had it so good, even zoomers who weren't alive to naturally come across what you guys were doing by virtue of getting online in adjacent era are noticing. I wanted to experience oekakis and neopets roleplay and peak ATLA fandom and sheezyart and old deviantart/neopets layouts and I just felt like I missed out on all the good stuff back then.

No. 2585791

>>2585759
This is fine. Steal the art style and use it for good. I want to steal a certain lolicon's coloring style and he can't fucking stop me.

No. 2585794

>>2585696
I always thought that removing the visible points but still keeping the percentages anyway is so pointless. What even is the point? Take percentages away too or don’t hide anything at all

No. 2585800

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>>2585761
>ATLA
What an odd thing to mention. Not the war between Link fangirla versus Sephiroth/Cloud fangirls kek?
Deviantart was the shit for me for like 10 or so years. I was proud of that. Rooting for its redemption arc. Tumblr is kinda working on theirs imo

No. 2585803

>>2585800
As long as pooners and trannies and groomers still infest tumblr, it'll always be shit.
>>2585761
ATLA wasn't really that popular, it only got popular later on. Oekakis were the shit, though.

No. 2585813

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>>2585800
>Rooting for its redemption arc
Its all AI and NFTs nowadays i am afraid.

No. 2585837

>>2585813
NFTs!? S-surely you jest nona! I know there are "AI adoptables" (the most braindead concept ever).

No. 2585904

File: 1751343865999.jpg (159.87 KB, 1718x806, suffragettecharlol.JPG)

Found a suffragette character, but the artist has this MASSIVE "Do not talk to me if you're a terf/transmed/radqueer" warning on their page. The irony.

No. 2585906

File: 1751344074469.jpg (55.83 KB, 749x548, anime_quote__363_by_anime_quot…)

Personal recovering pitycow artist slid back into her old ways. Very mixed feelings because I found her old deleted Reddit account and holy degen retardation, when pullpush comes back I may share itt if it's as juicy as I think it is.

No. 2585908

>>2584821
curious about who that is

No. 2585913

>>2585908
Look her up, I'm sure there's an archive of a doc or something

No. 2585996

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>>2532494
I know this is an old post from an old thread but I was immediately reminded of it upon seeing this the fact that not even Susie of all characters (in art that isn’t specifically meant to be coom, to be clear) is safe genuinely pisses me off

No. 2586043

>>2585996
No one is truly safe on the internet tbh, especially female characters

No. 2586049

File: 1751353898410.png (303.18 KB, 1181x844, Screenshot_2025-07-01_020302.p…)

Hey everynonnie! I'm gonna clean this up during Tunesday tomorrow and then post the CowFight thread on /m/ and link to it in a post here as well! I took >>2569985 's suggestion for team names (thank you!). See you there ♥

No. 2586061

>>2586049
Omg anon, this is perfect!
Can't wait to see other nonnas' ocs and their attacks.

No. 2586077

>>2585904
The irony of being a TRA and then claiming to be against self-harm.

No. 2586091

>>2584214
She's trying way too hard to distance herself from the wholesome art youtuber group (like baylee and waffles) but she's such a dweeb that its unbearably cringe.

No. 2586130

>>2586049
I am EXCITED. Gotta dig through my OCs that aren't directly tied to my online persona but won't make other artists avoid me kek

No. 2586150

>>2585904
I thought having DNIs on AF was against the rules?

No. 2586156

>>2585904
What's transmed?

No. 2586162

>>2586156
Transmedicalist/“truscum,” thinking you need dysphoria to be trans

No. 2586264

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>>2585759
Lacryboy is just copying Voltron, her artstyle is not original. Also when did she drew pedoslop?
>>2585791
I wonder what artist is that? The one who created moetan?

No. 2586282

File: 1751374723598.jpg (31.82 KB, 661x586, lacryboy.jpg)

>>2586264
Nona she has a baraag account

No. 2586290

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>>2586282
So? From what I've seen, it's mostly reposts from her twitter. Nvm I just remembered she drew loli art of columbine shooters on her baraag. Does anyone know if picrel is based on real life actors?

No. 2586295

>>2586264
That has barely any resemblance to her art style

No. 2586311

>>2586290
I remember her drawing shota artwork of homestuck characters back when she had an alt for it but its long been deleted so you'll have to take my word for it. If you also scroll back far enough in her baraag theres lolisho commissions and art of her ocs she either deleted or only posted on her baraag.

No. 2586313

File: 1751376403819.jpg (132.29 KB, 735x1147, Toyhouse.jpg)

Oddly specific doubt I've had, but are online circles detrimental to developing your art? And if it is, is it a big deal?
I'm refering to when you can clearly tell when an artist comes from deviantart/tumblr or as of recent, tiktok/toyhouse.
How can one still be inspired by online artists but avoid the internet from poisoning your art? Basically avoid creating vivziepop tier art.

No. 2586365

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>>2586264
>I wonder what artist is that?
Metata. Struggled to find a non coomer slop drawing of his. He had to upload everything with a bootleg nightshade on it because people fed his entire gallery to AI kek

No. 2586371

>>2586290
That's John Snow and Arya Stark, two half siblings and Arya is underaged for (I think) all of Game of Thrones. Are they implying incest here? Don't do my nigga Arya like this

No. 2586377

>>2586313
I'm not inspired by online artists at all, lol. I take inspiration from the classical artists, instead.

No. 2586383

>>2586313
>are online circles detrimental to developing your art?
This is one of those situations you have to judgemon a case-by-case basis. I know that joining the Homestuck fandom around Cascade and Giga Pause had allowed for me and a lot of artists to start becoming intimate with anatomy and realism. You then end up seeing a lot of western industry leads having connections to Homestuck, too. If anything, it benefitted a lot of people.
And then there is, haha, Steven Universe.
>is it a big deal?
Depends on the purpose behind why you draw. Commercially it can help if you can cater to the audience side that has money. But nothing is irreversible in art.
>How can one still be inspired by online artists but avoid the internet from poisoning your art? Basically avoid creating vivziepop tier art.
Be smart about who you are idolizing. But again, personal tastes leads to it being a case-by-case basis. If you think an artstyle is shit, don't associate with it. Mentally blacklist parts of its "appeal". We aren't like AI and can unlearn bad habits.
>>2586371
>my nigga Arya
KEK

No. 2586508

>>2586371
I thought that was supposed to be Bran since he's a cripple, but the pedophilia still stands

No. 2586732

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>>2586290
>>2586264
She's drawn loli, shota, guro, necro and this. Game of Thrones fan art is nothing, kek.

No. 2586750

>>2586732
And that one columbine shooter loli art, were those the real school shooters or inspired ocs?

No. 2586754

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>>2586290
>Nvm I just remembered she drew loli art of columbine shooters on her baraag
Looked through her shit (don't recommend) and found it, censored and spoilered for obvious reasons. I'm surprised her more woke followers haven't crucified her for this but since everyone believes her male LARP I guess she can get away with it. Actually I remember seeing some callouts for retweeting school shooter fan art and drawing nazi porn on an alt but they went nowhere.
>>2586732
Something I wonder about a lot of these female pickme coomers who draw women being brutalized is whether or not they are actually enjoying it. Fanny gets off on it, I wonder if Lacryboy does too or if she just does it to be edgy and to get commissions.
>>2586750
Inspired OCs, although she has retweeted fan art of columbine before.

No. 2586857

>>2586754
She sucks at drawing lolis

No. 2586863

>>2586282
any artist who has a baarag deserves to be doxxed and harassed for making a account on that pedo moids site , fucking repulsive

No. 2586895

>>2586863
There was one of the Baraag staff member called Wysteria/Wysteriary who drew porn of a random real child

No. 2586896

>>2586732
…what even is the creepypasta?

No. 2586898

>>2586754
> but since everyone believes her male LARP I guess she can get away with it.
Does this mean her woke followers don’t care that she does all that because they think she’s a male? I’m kinda confused. Do woke people give moids a pass for drawing pedo and school shooter shit?

No. 2586902

>>2586898
>Do woke people give moids a pass for drawing pedo and school shooter shit?
Yes

No. 2586903

>>2586898
Well on average male artists do tend to get away with a lot more meanwhile female artists are often caught up in retarded drama. Off the top of my head nobody's ever called out mossa for drawing porn based off a real case of torture meanwhile that one female artist who drew some enderman bishie gijinka got mocked to hell and back. It's not just woke people it's most people really.

No. 2586906

>>2586732
I've read the boring ass "creepypasta" this art is based on, it's literally just the author droning on and on about his thinly disguised fetish but pretending he found it on le scary dark web. Pickmes desperately trying to out-edgelord each other will never not be funny in a pathetic way.

No. 2586911

>>2586895
yeah i was talking about him but also the so called owner is fucking suspicious and a pedophile himself i dont know how that site is still standing

No. 2586917

>>2586903
> nobody's ever called out mossa for drawing porn based off a real case of torture
no the warhammer (of all fandoms) banned him from their subreddit because of his pedoshit there have been callouts on him too and hopefully the sharty finds out about him he copes by "WOW IM NOT TRIGGERED AT ALL!" but hes a sniveling pigfaced pencil dick whos scared of the korean police finding his shit

No. 2586918

>>2586911
Do you have any info about him? Spoonfeed me. I think satori (the owner) got doxxed by the sharty and baraag was temporarily got taken down
>how that site is still standing
It was taken down multiple times

No. 2586932

>>2586732
>>2586754
what causes a grown adult to be this much of an edgelord still? like this is just embarassingly tryhard and attention seeking

No. 2586945

File: 1751406540506.jpg (294.03 KB, 960x1280, 6 heads tall!.jpg)

>>2586917
He's a manlet too. Also, can anyone identify where this photo was taken?

No. 2586948

>>2584374
Twisted Disaster nona poster here lol I apologize if my posts can fog up the thread if that's been a problem. Michie isn't super active on YouTube (though it seems she's been uploading more) and she's not especially problematic, she just says a lot of retarded shit which I can't fathom as someone 2 years older than her and how she should know certain things at her bigger age. She says thing like practice doesn't make perfect (which is true) but uses it to justify why her own anatomy skills (or lack thereof) looks so poor and of course, her heavy reliance on using that mirror tool for most of her work these days.

But yet I still watch because even though I find her takes retarded at times, she's like one of the last few YouTubers of old school art YouTube that still makes those sit-down and draw while talking kind of content. I mean, her and Starfish Face (who is definitely a better one to listen and vibe with). There aren't very many of them left if you know what I mean.

No. 2586956

>>2586945
So this is monument to memorialize the Charter of Children's Rights located in Seoul Children's Grand Park. This putrid moid should never be allowed in any space around children, especially an amusement park designed specifically for them and their families.

No. 2586962

>>2586896
ithe name of the creepy was actually slave girl or something like that not sex slave but basically i think it was kidnapping girls and turning them into that girl thats hanging on the wall, its meant to be a living girl

No. 2586963

>>2586049
haha, i was the one who suggested that! i love your art, it looks great so far

No. 2586965

>>2586754
She’s a tif? Heard her voice and thought it was man. Explains all the yaoi. Before she had two separate accounts that was zelda/link. One sfw and one nsfw. So i assumed she was male. Once she merged them together it all went down hill

No. 2586970

>>2586965
Where did you heard her voice? Picarto?

No. 2586976

>>2586896
https://archive.org/details/creepypasta-lolitaslavetoy
NSFL warning
>>2586956
Jeez that's horrible considering what he draws, I bet he did that as a joke

No. 2586985

>>2586970
When she started going by lacryboy i remember a video of her speaking posted. I never watched the livestreams. I unfollowed when her art degraded drastically. Her old nsfw account was moid coomer slop anyway. I followed it because i recognized the style

No. 2587049

>>2586896
>>2586976
I thought lacry was just fooling around like a irony poisoned retard she is but I never knew it was a real creepypasta wtf

No. 2587067

File: 1751411186248.jpeg (164.49 KB, 1290x379, IMG_6213.jpeg)

>>2586985
Same fag here. I checked lacry account. She deleted the video. This is my only evidence she has a masculine voice. Her reasoning for deleting her main seemed like the nsfw account was her secret perverted outlet and she didn’t want to hide anymore. If i remember correctly she was tired of pretending to be two different artists despite the style being the same

No. 2587073

>>2587067
Try to find something on waybackmachine?

No. 2587108

>>2587073
Cant find it. It’s so sad because she is genuinely talented when she isnt drawing coomer slop. Her old retweets consisted of beyonce, britney spears, very colorful glam makeup. Clearly a pop girlie groomed online

No. 2587123

>>2587108
>Clearly a pop girlie groomed online
it seems to be a common experience among female artists who pander to coomer moids, isn't it? I wonder how old is she

No. 2587158

File: 1751416184613.jpeg (1.2 MB, 1290x1241, IMG_6245.jpeg)

>>2587123
I’d imagine she would be 18/19 around 2020. The lana quote is there because i believe her old OC max was a self insert. She deleted stuff about that character. Apparently she blocked somebody who said Max was girl. Max was their tif character who kept trying to have sex with her dad. I don’t remember honestly. I want to imagine the kind of art she would’ve made if she never pandered to them

No. 2587172

>>2587158
Sorry “their” because it seemed like it was a shared oc

No. 2587176

>>2584650
It's because the artists are TIFs, and have their only exposure to human designs through anime

No. 2587188

>>2579618
Because we're decended from aliens

No. 2587192

>>2582806
The majority of those users are probably either TIFs larping as edgy 4chan moids even tho they'd never survive a second there, and/or people from the trans boards of it, I'd imagine

No. 2587202

>>2586049
omg I want to create a cowsona or farmersona just for this

No. 2587206

>>2586948
See, whenever you come in, I scoot closer to the edge of my seat and stare a bit closer at my phone. Something about keeping tabs on TD through you revitalizes me kek

No. 2587215

File: 1751419982653.png (20.26 KB, 1414x125, sexismnipples.png)

I just realized I have to redraw my male dude's nipples for Artfight, because the rules claim that, in standing against "sexism", they're gonna censor male nips too. But meanwhile, I just found an artist drawing bimbo slutty female characters and getting away with it. But sure, "sexism".

No. 2587244

>>2587215
I just uploaded a male character with nips out when did this pop up!?

No. 2587252

>>2587215
I guess I can't blame them for making it work both ways, otherwise some gendie would upload a female character with massive uncensored tits and when it gets ban scream "AKSHUALLY IT'S A MAN, TRANSPHOBE!!1"

No. 2587266

>>2587244
I think it's a new rule this year. Gotta double down on troon shit, as >>2587252 said.

No. 2587281

art fight is already pissing me off. spent so much time cranking out some art for a rando as well as a friend and both of them have just blatantly ignored me. I see them online and interacting with other attacks/posting.

I havent done art fight in a long time, is it normal now for people to be so dismissive? or maybe im impatient.

No. 2587294

>>2587281
no offense to you anon but this behaviour is so annoying
the discord was full of kids asking how to get attention and have followers and what if no one likes my aaaart and what if no one attacks meeeeeee, why do you care omfg and retards who couldnt read so i left kek

No. 2587295

>>2587281
thats how art communities have always been. Only the top 5% of people get any attention, the rest gets the nice try sticker and condescending comments. I see no point joining challenges as an amateur, its always discouraging and bad for self esteem.

No. 2587297

>>2586948
i love you twisted disaster nonna, i like remembering ye olde days of thee arte salte threade

No. 2587298

>>2587294
none taken lol ik im being cringe rn. i guess im just more annoyed by the blatant interaction with other attacks and i get left on read but yeah its whatever at the end of the day.

>>2587295
so true.

thanks nonas.

thanks nonas(integrate)

No. 2587318

>>2587281
Do what I do: go after people who have very few defenses and decent art. (And no trannies.)

No. 2587337

>>2587281
Yeah that kinda sucks if they're just ignoring you because that's happened to me a few times, but I think if you interact with people that have smaller followings they're more likely to comment/attack back if you draw them something.
Also pro tip for anyone if you want more people to attack your characters: Follow a shit load of people on the opposite team that are active and eventually you'll get a slow stream of attacks coming your way. I did this last year and got like 67 attacks compared to the year before where I got 3.

No. 2587356

Can any euro nonnies give any advice/insight/opinion’s into the art scene in Western Europe? Especially Austria? Is more contemporary art popular or classic oil paintings?

No. 2587377

Alright nonas. I have some Gold and Clippy for the Clip Studio store. Reply to this post if there is a brush or whatever you want me to get. I don't have much and I'll update you guys on when I'm out. This shit expiring is extremely bullshit. (Also, maybe… tell me how to upload these things without showing my identity kek)

No. 2587380

>>2587377
Use catbox.moe to upload! Thanks in advance nona

No. 2587381

>>2587294
Because someone with toddler tier drawing styles and the photo quality of a DSi camera spammed attacks on my gallery, I make it a point to not respond or acknowledge artists with drawing capabilities that I deem to be halfassed. Additionally, despite having furry characters, I wll not touch furries or gendies. If you don't share the fandom I'm obsessed with then I just don't think they exist kek

No. 2587382

>>2587377
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=2159099 or https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=2109947, please, I'm a sucker for watercolor shit and Photoshop just CAN'T do it.

No. 2587387

>>2587381
actually so smart to not acknowledge the half-assed ones, idk why i never thought to do that. i have no issues with somebody who actually is less skilled, but the shitty doodles by already shitty artists that are obviously praying i revenge piss me off so hard.

No. 2587401

>>2587387
I'm feeling particularly venomous this year so if I see that kind of activity I'm just going to downright block them.

No. 2587437

>>2587382
I'll look into uploading and keep you posted. Have you tried the watercolor resources available on the /ic/ rentry?

No. 2587445

>>2587437
I have. Hell, I've got a CGPeers account, but watercolor tools are few and far between. God love ya, anon.

No. 2587476

>>2587377
thank you for offering nonna!! if it's not too much trouble, i'd really appreciate this one feel free to ignore me if its too pricey kek https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=2053441

No. 2587536

Re: ideas for a server or some other community, my personal hope is for one that stays focused on being an art community rather than primarily emphasizing that it's the XX real women only troon hater's club. I am also anti-troon and sick of seeing it everywhere in art communities but in my experience every group I've seen that leans anti-troon leans all the way to the point where discussion is constantly revolving back around to complaining about them (or other hot topics like politics) and nobody ever talks about anything lighthearted for long. If someone wants to start a group that's explicitly by and for radfems then I'm fine with staying out of it but it saddens me that it's so hard to find more casual apolitical groups where you can just get away from the gendie stuff without any extra frills.

No. 2587539

>>2587382
aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5jYXRib3gubW9lL3Q3ZTJnZS5zdXRn
For first one. Godspeed nona. I hope you have a blessed day, week, month, year. Trying to find the actual files of these things makes me want to kill myself what have I done

No. 2587543

I gotta figure out how to harvest the CSP assets. Sorry I'm a big crusty ol retard nonas.

No. 2587632

>>2587476
different nonna, but i got them. i'm not sure how to export them though. since they're image materials i gotta drop one by one on a canvas and save them as png, right? if so what resolution should they be?

No. 2587637

>>2587632
samefag, nvm i think i figured it out kek
i'll upload it in a few hours or less, gotchu nonnas

No. 2587644

File: 1751466289875.gif (535.17 KB, 320x180, foxnose.gif)

>>2587539
Anon you are a saint and I will give up my firstborn in your name. Thank you eternally for spending money on some dumbass on the internet.

No. 2587664

>>2587632
I had bought them too. We just gave this artist traffic KEK

No. 2587670

>>2587644
I feel like this is the second firstborn that has been offered to me. I am slowly building up my collection. Also you are super welcome nonna! Making you happy has made me happy.

No. 2587673

>>2587664
no fuckin way nonnie kek
you can go ahead and upload them if you want, i got some stuff to do rn

No. 2587676

>>2587673
Away from computer unfortunately. I think there is a way to extract them from the system files. So my method would take a bit longer.

No. 2587755

Hey, nonnas. Idk if it's the right thread to ask, but how do you feel about artists scribbling coomslop to warm up before making anything substancial? Now, this may sound out of nowhere, but I must say I did that, and I'm not proud. Well, at least the characters I used for these shitty warm up drawings were from a godawful game in the first place, but still.

No. 2587767

>>2587755
I genuinely can not imagine what your life must be like to be asking stupid shit like this. Is this your first day on earth

No. 2587771

>>2587767
Nta but it's /ot/, you're meant to just play along and go with the flow of the post. Maybe reply with some witty response

No. 2587773

>>2587755
You're completely fucked. No skilled or self-respecting artist would EVER illustrate the nude form for recreational reasons. Yeah, you are just fucked, might as well cut your losses and give up now.

No. 2587774

>>2587755
I just look up gay dudes on Flickr and draw them for warm ups.

No. 2587788

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>>2587632
>>2587664
KEK thank you both so much!!! sending my blessings your way as well ♥♥♥ i believe the best way to share image assets is by just drag and dropping them into a .clip file and sharing that? at least that's how they seem to do it in the /ic/ rentry

No. 2587811

>>2587755
Dearest summerfag, I believe you are misguided. Coomslop should never be illustrated by your otherwise purest hands. As you know from your years of visiting and lurking the numerous lolcow boards, you do know women never willingly participate in these heinous activities, right? Ever. It is a sign of giving up one's womanhood to acknowledge coomslop to any degree. I know you've mentioned doing it and it's great you're honest. That's a step in the right direction.
The human form should be respected, especially if you are an artist. To treat such frivolities as throwaway indulgences like that means you've been corrupted by the moid hivemind. As you can see from the other replies you've received, it's unnatural to even so much as consider these things. You need to look inwardly to find a better place for your soul, a better way to warm up.
>nb4 It's just a drawing
Life immitates fiction. Fiction immitates life. It's an ever spinning circle of self-reference. Before long you'll find yourself in the same place our moid counterparts are in.
I am high as a kite and it made me wonder if the reason Bob Ross could pain so effectively and calmly was because he had a bucket of paint thinner very close to his face. His hair doesn't move at all so I also am wondering if he was in a well-ventilated area. It was the hippie era, right? Maybe oil paints and painthinner made him wish to befriend his brushes or something.

No. 2587819

>>2587476
>>2587788
aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5jYXRib3gubW9lL3RsemUyby5yYXI=
thanks for the tip, i saved them as a clip file and as separate transparent pngs

No. 2587826

>>2586049
Alright, CowFight is up and running on /m/! Feel free to post your OCs, remember to include your team name (Cows vs Farmers) in your post. Happy drawing!
>>>/m/514341

No. 2587884

>>2587755
The absolute state of purity culture. Anon you're fine. Drawing porn is fine. Feeling arousal and having sexual thoughts are normal. It doesn't matter if you drew characters from a shitty gacha or a respected critically acclaimed work of art. You can't taint things from feeling human emotions. Characters AND real ass people do not become lesser from the act of sex, that's just not a thing that happens. Draw all the smut you want and don't feel shame over it. And DEFINITELY don't let others make you feel lesser either. You don't need anybodies approval to behave like a normal fucking human being.

No. 2587957

Didn't expect so much replies so fast to me, >>2587755 the summerfagging anon, so I thought I'd add some context on the way of replying.

>>2587767
I suppose I am. It is a dumb thing of me to ask, since I don't share that shit anyway (rethorical question 101).
>>2587773
I confirm, I am in fact so fun at parties that I never get invited, kek.
>>2587774
Good idea, nonna! I appreciate the enabling.
>>2587811
This reply reeks of sarcasm, but it inspires me honestly. Also, to be clear, I asked about recreational coomslop origally for insight (ironic, I know), considering LC's stance on coom involving female characters. Not that a woman can't draw such coomslop at all, plus it never reaches moid level of depravity anyway, but I took the position of "some nonna in the thread saw an artist do warm up coomslop, posted it online, and it left a bad taste in said nonna's mouth". Hence I asked about how you guys felt about it. Even generally.
>>2587884
You're right, nonna! I appreciate your kind words. Today's weather just put me in airplane mode, and I don't even normally draw that kind of shit anyway hence that slight guilt but I'll put that shame away! I promise. It's time to pust a stop to being a robot, especially when it comes to drawing smut (ridiculous in itself).

On a side note, I loved reading these unhinged replies, they made my afternoon. Thank you.

No. 2587965

>>2587957
I have feelings for you.

No. 2587985

>>2587957
I'm glad you got something out of my reply but I just have to respond to this:
>and I don't even normally draw that kind of shit anyway
Get rid of this sort of thinking entirely. It wouldn't have mattered if you were draw fucknasty buttsex 24/7. You don't have to frame it as an occasional sinful indulgence and that you're a pure sweet angel the rest of the time, that just unhealthy. I really think you need to sit down with yourself and unpack why you feel this way about sexuality and engaging in it.

No. 2588023

>>2587826
Thanks for your service!

No. 2588029

>>2587884
>>2587985
Ngl I sort of get it. This is an entirely different can of worms but sometimes I get religious epiphanies where I feel striking guilt for indulging in sin repeatedly or drawing female oriented coomshit, which is less religiously-charged and more on guilt for feminist aligned morals kek. I cope with it by either not caring or repentance and besides its not like I'm making a profit or publishing this online for moid validation.

No. 2588050

>>2586754
>more woke followers
Like who?

No. 2588057

>>2587755
I personally think you should show the class what you drew.

No. 2588066

>>2587957
Realize that >>2587811 is obviously joking

No. 2588070

>>2588050
Nta but nonna, she literally draws cunboys and futashit

No. 2588071

>>2588029
>female oriented coomshit
is manna from heaven. It will never be as fucked-up and depraved as moid coomshit. Well, as long as you're not a shotacon.

No. 2588128

>>2588029
Girl, If I had to actually feel guilt or shame for not aligning with the idea of what a perfect feminist would be (there are too many of these, you will never live up to the standard because you can't get every woman on earth to agree what that would even mean) I would not get shit done. Ain't nobody got time for dat. Whenever you start feeling that way ask yourself some simple questions:
>What are the consequences of behaving in a way that
some women disagree with?
>Who are these women anyway? Why should I respect the opinions of someone who treats me like like I'm lower than dirt for engaging in activities that, realistically, at least 50% of the population of earth has engaged in? While also claiming to be an advocate for me and my rights?
>Does God actually care about porn? Or is that humanity telling me the motives of a being capable of doing and knowing far more than any creature that has lived, is living now, or will live (from the act of sex btw) in the future? Why are we so smug as a species to even think these things?
Think about these things long enough and you'll be surprised to find that the answers are 1. Nothing will happen 2. I shouldn't respect them and 3. No one can possibly know the answer that.
So in my TLDR conclusion: Fuck the haters, and draw what you want, when you want.

No. 2588268

>>2587957
samefag >>2587811 doesn't matter what you draw. It's a free world honestly. You could take the route of Shadman and fullon break the law, ModeSeven and make people concerned for you, or yeah, just doodling whatever comes to mind. I had drawn my own OC getting railed by my massive size difference husbando not too long ago, so purity culture is barred for me. Nonas who clutch their pearls at the idea of some women being fascinated with coomslop or enjoying draw fat nasty cocks with a bazillion veins or beautifully slim dicks and avoiding all mention of the vaginal meatmaze we are born with shouldn't be taken seriously. Hell, /g/ itself stands as an example that we have varying interests and some of us are gonna make content for said interest. Ngl, I like poking the bear anytime I see an overly sensitive nona on LC kek

No. 2588310

>>2588268
when i start to feel overly insecure about my drawing subject matter that’s when i know it’s time for a little break from lolcor. outside of lolcow and other niche places on the internet people don’t care what artists draw, only whether or not it’s good. we’ve all seen dozens of artists get a pass on their content as long as they’re skilled, that’s all i focus on

No. 2588346

>>2588071
Sorry I worded it weirdly, when I say female oriented I mean its a drawing of a woman with coomer proportions. Sometimes its fun to draw large boobs in various angles and how theyre positioned based on gravity. Or maybe Im just SSA and I find it attractive to look at boobs and butt kek
sorry to let you down, I wish I could git gud at drawing bishies and cute men but soft bodies are so much easier to draw

No. 2588362

>>2587536
Tbh i agree, it would be more fun that way, i think a good way to stop that would for only art channels to exist

No. 2588423

>>2588310
I think the whole puritan aspect from lolcow is due to artcows being a thing, and honestly i genuinely believe a lot of people only pick apart artcows art because they are people who did nasty or ridiculous stuff, or who draw misogynistic content in the case of lolcow; like Fanny who made up the whole story about her and her father being into a relationship and is obsessed with women being abused, or PK who was in a relationship with multiple dogfuckers despite her art being decent too for example. I think Puppychan is the only i know that fits that bill of being made fun of due to her art only most of the time but still, even she was batshit insane and would have an alt account where she threatened suicide daily to her minor fans who followed her there and all of that got screencapped and picked apart

No. 2588480

>>2588423
nta It's wild. I don't want to begin to derail the thread like it had been in the past, but SOME CONTENT does automatically trigger a unique response from lolcor. Even if it isn't necessarily on par with Shadman's shenanigans themselves, it's like an immunity response to a potential redflag.

No. 2588545

File: 1751508804131.png (1.21 MB, 988x698, 1701336974101.png)

Do any nonnas have resources for detecting ai when you find suspicious art? i am making a blog post on advanced ai forensics with all that I know, mostly abt how latent noise is detected, contrast + color ai sheen, color profiles and detecting artifacts with curve tricks, but I worry I'm missing important info. I'm trying to make something more extensive than the generic "ummm check da hands" tips that kind of fall flat now because Ai has mostly figured out hands. I want to have all my bases covered so people can recognize this shit at a glance

No. 2588569

>>2588545
all that could he bypassed with some overpaint and editing, all it would do is help people using AI to hide it better.

No. 2588618

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>>2588569
most people using AI are too stupid to even use inpaint let alone overpaint their mistakes after kek. also its incredibly hard to overpaint without leaving latent noise behind unless you scrub the whole image, which a majority of artists don't know how to do because a majority of methods dont work. its easier to be smarter then 99% of ai users with these methods, but its pointless because 1% of them might get smarter knowing these tricks? nah get the fuck out of here with that shit kek

No. 2588658

>>2588545
I watched a video lately where a guy used a RGB splitter to check each channel of an image and the noise patterns of each channel were exactly the same for the ai, which is abnormal in any photo. I can’t find it for the life of me so take that with a grain of salt.

I also saw this video, the one embedded a while back and it was more accessible to people just looking at a piece with no ability to check in photoshop.

No. 2588667

>>2588618
>latent noise behind unless you scrub the whole image
Sureface blur go brrrr

No. 2588675

>>2588545
Also things disappearing when passing under another surface. (limbs, hair strands), asymmetrical eye coloring, non-circular shine spots on eyes when zoomed in. Nothing concrete though. Blowing you a kiss but also gonna stab you because then the AI bros are gonna take your post and fix their AI kek

No. 2588777

>>2588658
> I watched a video lately where a guy used a RGB splitter to check each channel of an image and the noise patterns of each channel were exactly the same for the ai, which is abnormal in any photo.
Let us know if you find it again and post it here nona, I’d be interested in watching it

No. 2588781

Does anyone else notice how follower interaction can differentiate from each big art account? For example, this revolcities guy on Twitter. He’s been a longtime popular artist where I’m sure most people in the weeb digital art scene who’ve been around for the past decade are familiar with him, so maybe a lot of his following are dead accounts of people who barely use Twitter anymore, but it’s kinda bleak to me watching him tweet and it’ll barely get any likes and zero replies. I’m not talking about his art, I mean his text posts.
Meanwhile, I know plenty of newer accounts with tens of thousands less followers than him who have a much more active follower base that reply and interact with their posts a lot.
Maybe it’s because revolcities got #cancelled a while back for not finishing commissions on time with that callout post but it’s kinda pathetic how no one will talk to him. Did it really kill his reputation? To be honest, it’s also the first thing that comes to mind when I see him on my tl. And I know he has endless big artist friend mutuals too, why do they not talk to each other anymore? It seems like the previous generation of big artists are always too busy to socialize on socmed compared to the past, back when Twitter was Twitter and people were still using tumblr a lot. It makes me sad how people eventually kinda vanish online as they get older.
I still remember that tweet from an artist who talked about how artists don’t interact with each other anymore on twitter compared to how it used to be. I’m guessing she was talking about her own generation, because I know a lot of zoomer artists who are very active. Seems like being an adult and having jobs really does kill your time

No. 2588783

>>2588781
a lot of people who start new accounts pay for botted engagement. That, or its people from some discord they are in where they post the link and they all circlejerk each other whenever they post on another website.

No. 2588816

>>2588781
Could always just interact. I talk to some fujos in the same fandom as me, and sometimes I'm the only poster speaking to them. We have a little conversation, someone else jumps in with a joke, etc. I think you can cultivate an interactive community too. Even with language barriers. I frequently throw dumb jokes at some Chinese, Japanese, and Mexican artists. I don't think they hate it because I'm not blocked yet and they respond. Obviously don't be obsessive about it. Tumblr also has a very active commenting community still somehow. Responding to tags, sending anonymous asks, dropping someone giftart, etc…
I think it appears differently depending on communities as well as the artists themselves. If you piggyback on promoted posts that show up in the For You page, you can net interactions as well and that could be what some artists are doing.

No. 2588830

>>2588783
No no, the active users and followerbase I was thinking about were definitely not bots, I’m mainly thinking of those zoomer artists and their groupies/friends who are always hyping each other up in their replies. Most of the time they are oc artists but I’m sure this happens in fandoms too. I honestly envy them, I’m too chicken to interact with my followers but I think if I started doing it more, they’d be more inclined to interact and comment on my art too.
But it’s just kinda daunting to start, because there was a time where I actually wanted to start socializing with my mutuals more and I commented on a friend’s post, and boom, I was just ignored and never got a reply. Sigh of course the singular time I attempt to socialize it ends like that. It’s so annoying. So I’ve been hesitant to do anything ever since.

No. 2588844

>>2588830
Nta but that's the thing. You have a rejection adverse mindset (which is okay and everyone's been there) but these artists who do have this audience/social group that engages a lot have a different mindset. If they comment on something and get ignored they move on and don't put too much stock in it. You should keep trying to communicate with other people, and not worry about it if it doesn't go well at first.

No. 2588846

>>2588830
>I commented on a friend’s post, and boom, I was just ignored and never got a reply.
nta Depends on what you said.
>cute
Horrible ass response.
>I love how you did the shading here. Nice -insert hyperspecific compliment targetting something they might be struggling on-
Might do better. I usually crack injokes but like you said, fandom vs OC might have more of a learning curve.

No. 2588882

>>2588781
I think it's just because once you get older you start quitting using social media as your personal diary and having online friends in general, and if you don't make an effort to reach out to the younger generation who is terminally online you slowly lose people from your current one as they successively stop using twitter unless it's to post their art and fuck off to their real lives. Revo has been around for 15 years at this point, he must be in his 30s now. It's kind of pathetic that he's still making text posts on twitter hoping for engagement instead of cultivating real friendships to be honest. Having a circle of twitter mutuals is no replacement for a real circle of friends; younger zoomers and gen alpha kids will learn that in due time and also progressively stop using socmed like that.

No. 2589063

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>>2588830
I haven't talked to/made friends online for over 10 years (this includes rejecting nice mutuals going "Hello, do you have a discord" in a friendly way because they wanted to be friends) due to autism retardation and a ibt of AVPD.
But this year I'm trying to be more social and the key is just trying! Don't lose hope! Not everyone will be besties with you, I still haven't made a friend, but people are more keen to reply to my stuff.

First start with your mutuals. If you think someone is cool or notice a few people popping in your notifications often (likes/rts) try interacting with their tweets more often, since they follow you they will probably welcome it. Then, compliment artists, creators and such.
My rule of the thumb to snap me from the "I'm annoying and they will hate me" mindset is just to think if receiving the message I plan to sent would annoy me. 99% of the time the answer is "I wouldn't care" as worst and "I would like it" at best.
And like >>2588846 said, usually a "I love it!!", "Cute!" is boring to most people unless it's someone who has 5 followers or never gets replies. Simply add something to it, like "I love how you do XYZ", if they post a pic of their meal compliment something specific about it etc. Sometimes you can be cringe, I once told someone who scanned some stuff that people like them are the reason fandom is a better place haha, but I really meant it and people in social media nowadays are so rude anyways, being a bit chessy it's ok.

Also think replies as sending CVs. Often you get ignored, a few will call but not hire you (just liking the reply) and others will hire. Many people online are introverts, so it's normal if they don't reply back.

No. 2589071

>>2589063
>Also think replies as sending CVs.
nta This is a lovely mentality. You summed it up perfectly. Hell, you can practice with the Personal Creations thread since that is one of the nicer threads on LC. Nothing to lose, it is a very slow thread and has a lot of good vibes. Plus it's art oriented.

No. 2589103

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Found someone on Artfight whose profile mentioned something like "fags only, straight people fuck off". So I asked her on tumblr if she meant it. Lol.

No. 2589123

>>2589103
So shouldn't she be banned for discrimination according to the AF rules? Kek

No. 2589127

>>2589123
I'd report her but I don't wanna risk doxxing myself, kek. (Maybe I oughta just delete the post?)

No. 2589137

>>2589127
It's anonymous tumblr ask, how can you be doxxed?

No. 2589146

>>2589127
The snitch who got anons banned on AF last year posted on Tumblr multiple times and got away with being anonymous in the end. Report her ass.(lolcow is not your personal army)

No. 2589147

>>2589137
Since I posted it here, I meant. Last year the lolcow users on Artfight got banned because someone from tumblr found the thread and had a bitchfit to the mods.

No. 2589150

>>2589146
I would but I see that after 30 mins I can't delete a post. Well, shit. Maybe next year I'll report her, but for now she'll just be a personal calf, I guess.

No. 2589151

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>>2589103
Are you really that triggered by some edgy 17 year old's profile stamps?

No. 2589153

>>2589127
>>2589146
Why? Couldn't you just ignore her?

No. 2589154

>>2589151
Yeah, I am. If she wants to be an internet tough guy, I'm going to call her out on it. I don't tolerate bullshit.

No. 2589157

>>2589154
your are a little retarded tbh. this is nothing and another typical young gay online(infighting)

No. 2589160

>>2589157
Riveting. She's still a bigot, though. Stop trying to pick a fight.

No. 2589176

>>2589160
Not trying to pick a fight. just don’t be so sensitive about miniscule things that’s all.

No. 2589200

>>2589176
Just because it has the word "hetero" in front of it doesn't lessen the bigotry of it.

No. 2589205

>>2589200
>fag
She's probably a megahet herself kek

No. 2589227

>>2589205
Just from that "gaybian" label I bet she's at best a bi girl who read too much bl

>>2589200
Poor straight people, being opressed by artist crationcig on tumblr

No. 2589247

>>2589205
Nta tbh you might be partly right. Bi at the most. All her male OCs are gay or bisexual, but her female OCs are bisexual or "unlabeled". Like okay. "Gaybian" uncomfortable around lesbians? Colour me surprised.

No. 2589273

File: 1751563735190.jpg (63.83 KB, 460x215, i know what you are.jpg)

>>2589151
>pwoud heckin hetrophobe!!

No. 2589278

>>2589157
>purposefully ignoring the school shooter fan theme

Kek

No. 2589333

>>2589278
another teen getting into the old video game series called Postal

No. 2589335

>>2589333
I’m aware of Postal, retard. But these types are ALWAYS the same.

No. 2589342

>>2584650
Incel OCs are only hot if they're heterosexual misogynists and you draw them getting raped by other men, not sorry

No. 2589343

>>2589151
KEK imagine being offended by this fake gay shit

No. 2589345

>>2589342
You are so right for this.

No. 2589346

>>2587377
Same here, I have 600 clippys in my pocket running out this month so PLEASE, please, please give me your most expensive and best brushes, nonas!

No. 2589490

>>2589342
>Incel getting drawn raped by chad
Unff

No. 2589503


No. 2589532

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God I hate aidens so much. They’re one of the biggest group of misogynists to exist. Kill yourself mentally ill freak, you are a straight woman and that’s why you dicksuck men so much(a-logging)

No. 2589745

>>2589532
People take this FREE ART GIVING FESTIVAL way too seriously. Just draw shit and be merry, christ.

No. 2589869

>>2589146
>>2589123
>>2589127
C'mon. You already know that site isn't going to do shit about that report

No. 2589884

>>2589869
tbf DNIs are not allowed on the site for whatever reason so you guys could submit a report now, but it might take a while for a mod to handle it. you could bring some more pressure by dming a site mod on discord to remind them i think

No. 2589912

>>2589532
I think both you and the TiF in your picrel are taking this shit way too seriously

No. 2589918

i get so excited for art fight every year, but after a few days it basically just feels like a job, wanting to revenge everyone who attacks me. and i start wishing it was over because i'll be busy with art fight for the whole month. then the cycle repeats again and i start missing the event and can't wait until it starts again.
maybe one year, i hope to retire from doing art fight. sure i get some really good art but the majority of it is just meh. that feeling of going through someone's character page and trying to find a character who looks somewhat appealing to draw is not really fun.
this is why i wish i had a close group of artist friends with cute ocs, we could just surprise and draw their ocs whenever we feel like it, and i wouldn't have to worry about getting ugly art because they're my friends and i can draw all the cute characters they have.

No. 2589981

>>2589918
Have to admit that it is difficult to find a character that is appealing to draw. I don’t care too much about revenge or people drawing me stuff, I just want to draw stuff I normally wouldn’t. It’s surprisingly hard.
Not really related but more of an observation, but I don’t have SM and haven’t been into any art scenes online for a long time. It surprised me that the average skill level is fairly low on the site too? I didn’t remember it being like that on tumblr or dA back in the day but I could be wrong

No. 2590027

god, i hope the fact that drawings that don't look like your usual previous drawings will not be boosted by the algorithm by twitter isn't true. i've been posting drawings with no background, just a simple blank white one, and they've been doing pretty good, at least 100 to 600 likes. then i posted a piece with a rendered background and it hasn't even reached 30 likes and it's been around 2 hours. i really don't want to believe this to be true but i can't deny it seems like no one is seeing my art right now. why did they have to implement this stupid trait ugh, i can understand links, text spam/gibberish, and excessive hashtags hindering your views but different images from your past drawings?? fuck that

No. 2590076

>>2589981
Yeah, it is filled with children, but if you know of a really good artist who is participating (unfortunately this may be hard if you don’t have social media), you can often find other good artists by looking through the attacks/defenses of the first good artist.

No. 2590105

>>2590076
That’s my main issue, I don’t actively follow any artists that are participating or know of any. I’ve basically been doing what you said after I realized looking at recent attacks and characters was a bit of a wash.
Like I said I don’t care about receiving anything in return, but I want to at least encourage people who look like they’re trying.

No. 2590118

>>2590105
If you’re comfortable posting in the friend finder thread, I could send you some people who have good art (would rather not call out people publicly here kek)

No. 2590119

>>2589532
I'm straight and i'll draw as much men as i want, kiss my ass polidyke, you're as retarded as the tif(infighting)

No. 2590158

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>>2590119
Lets fucking gooo

No. 2590177

>>2590118
Sure, I would appreciate that a lot. Just posted over there

No. 2590190

>>2590177
Just sent an email!

No. 2590198

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>>2590190
Received! Thank you nonny you're the best, don't tell the others

No. 2590285

>>2589532
who even gets mad at anybody for having all male ocs, this is fucking retarded

No. 2590288

>>2590285
nta It shows that one retard video about the lopsided study revealing a male bias made its rounds for sure.

No. 2590335

I was so busy with job and feel burn out a little I want to draw my husbando but feel insecure to retrieve my tablet. I was warming up in sketchbook, my hands felt wonky and after few gestures I just mindlessly scribbled paper. It's a bit worrisome to come back after long break I feel overwhelmed. I shall turn on some relaxing sounds asmr on background probably. Sorry for vent.

No. 2590354

>>2589151
is shit like this that makes me glad i am bi, is posts like this that give the community a bad name

No. 2590355

I wish Twitter Artists would start selling Artbooks, they're so fun and special and I'd love to have some from my faves. Zines are just not the same..

No. 2590361

>>2590355
Digital or physical? I'm all for this too; I'd think it'd be a cute thing to make for a Patreon even.

No. 2590373

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No. 2590377

>>2590119
Is there a reason why straight women in this thread have a hate boner for lesbians? That anon didn't even say you should exclusively draw women(bait)

No. 2590388

>>2590355
>>2590361
I’m assuming nona means physical books. I’d love to buy and create them too, but unfortunately everything costs money and I’m not sure how expensive it is to create books. Especially for American nonas, I’m pretty sure the cost of everything including print has been raised because of retarded tariffs. I own some art books by jp artists and they have a lot of unique features such as this light, translucent kind of tissue paper pages in their artbooks and I wonder if there’s any American company that’s able to offer those kind of unique features, it’s hard to imagine it because everything here is so boring. If not, maybe the printing services in other countries like china do offer more options like that.

No. 2590392

>>2590377
That's just Lolcow (and most people, unfortunely) in general. Better to just ignore the bait and continue on.

No. 2590393

I'm starting to regret holding off art fight after seeing the rules go from reasonable to literally retarded. Guess I'll never see one of my boys be drawn for free.

No. 2590395

>>2590377
It goes both ways nona. On this entire site. Let's not make this thread about that again. Please.
>>2590393
Oh? What makes you say that?

No. 2590397

>>2590393
Post them in the cowfight thread on /m/!

No. 2590398

>>2590377
>That anon didn't even say you should exclusively draw women
The only ones asking that are troons who hate seeing attractive men just exist. No lesbian cares how you draw men, but it doesn't hurt to not treat the only female OCs as trash? It just feels weird to make worlds and settings where everyone is exclusively one sex.

No. 2590401

>>2590373
nta but i'd love the last asset please!

No. 2590487

>>2590398
Nah if its women, it's based

No. 2590510

>>2590393
Wait, what rules in particular?

No. 2590512

>>2590398
Who cares. It’s art, not real life. It’s not that deep and I agree with the people upthread that you guys are taking this way too seriously.

No. 2590513

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>>2590401
Here you go nona!
This is the first time I do this, hopefully the "export" option saves the materials as well. If there's any problem, just hit me up
https://filebin.net/lnz7b4eo9p6eh58b

No. 2590532

>>2590513
Nta but thank youuuu

No. 2590612

>>2590393
The only thing I can possibly imagine this is about is that male nipple censorship rule, and it's making me laugh.

No. 2590741

>>2590612
Imo it's retarded. I can handle no nsfw but fucking nipples? This is tumblr all over again. If my shitty art skills were why I'm not joining it might be this and the gendies.

No. 2590773

>>2590377
Lol saying straight women are all dicksuckers then acting like the victim because of ~muh homophobia~ when people call you out back, if you can't take the heat don't even say anything. This isn't tumblr

No. 2590846

>>2590773
Ayrt, I'm happy to download them now but how do I share them with you in return x

No. 2590890

>>2589532
Who cares? This isn't worth a-logging over. I have mostly female OCs and hate drawing males, if someone wants to have mostly male OCs there's nothing wrong with that. The TIF in this cap says she's going to draw more women this year anyway, although I feel bad for whoever gets art from her since "gay transmascs" have that samey ugly weeb style.

No. 2590924

>>2590513
ayrt, thank you so much!!! ♥ looking at the files i don't think there should be any problems, but i'll let you know if i run into any!

No. 2590969

I hate how so many kpop fanartists just go for that stilted photorealistic style, especially in the Western side of the fandom. There are a few asian artists I’ve seen who can do really beautiful stylized portraits or fun chibis that are still recognizable as the members but there are barely any in Western fandoms. I know it’s skill issue but it’s still frustrating

No. 2590984

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does anyone know when the best time to post art on tiktok is? and whether it varies by time zone, since so much of tiktok lives in the US so if you posted in the early afternoon in Europe it might be 8am for the Americans. I’m still trying to figure out how to get more than 400-500 views regularly.

No. 2590993

>>2590890
>hate drawing males
I don't wanna start shit but why? Are men too hard to draw or are you not attracted to guys?

No. 2591000

>>2584214
I’ve only followed Casey here and there and hadn’t seen her face until now. Is her work not cutesy or adorkable anymore? I didn't know of any drama with Waffles but she recently started posting again after being sick for two years so good for her. I will admit I’m petty too and miss dumb art drama and art snark blogs.

No. 2591035

>>2590984
Don't post your art on tiktok, its not worth it

No. 2591040

>>2590993
Nta but men are so fucking boring to draw. All of my OCs are female because even when I come up with a cool concept/design for a male character, I realize it would be far more provocative and compelling if he was a woman instead. The Ellen Ripley effect.

No. 2591069

>>2591040
Masculine monster forms are almost always better to draw though.

No. 2591070

>>2591069
nta but define "better".

No. 2591076

>>2591040
I have the same issue kek. I can only think of a handful of male OCs that are anywhere near developed as my females ones simply because I just find it so boring to play around with them.
>>2591069
Depending on the monster than is a moot point. Brundlefly would have been cooler if both Seth and the fly were female.

No. 2591080

>>2591040
Blog but it was kinda the opposite for one of my characters, I had a concept for a needy emotionally volatile wreck and felt like it would be more interesting/realistic as a man kek

No. 2591090

on the topic of male characters, i saw some anon post about how she was going to draw some emo boy oc or whatever and then the owner changed into some ugly design and i relate because most male characters in artfight are so fucking ugly, even on a conceptual level because most are some ugly man on a shitty fantasy setting with ugly boring clothes or just an ugly teen/man with titchop scars, and finding cute ones has been a bit of hassle

No. 2591096

>>2591069
This is a very heterosexual view of the world.

>>2591080
That makes sense actually, sexually inverting the character tropes that interest us most. I mostly write slutty antiheroes, glib psychopaths, gangsters, and rakish womanizers.

No. 2591236

>>2590993
AYRT, it's mainly the latter. Although I'm trying to push myself and learn to draw more variety anyway (I see it similar as learning to draw buildings or cars kek), but I just hate their bodies and when I make a male OC they always turn out boring.

No. 2591502

I feel kind of lousy for making art that I guess could be compared to one of the most popular TIF art styles. Edgy but simultaneously juvenile themes, dark colors, sharp and exaggerated shapes, and anime boy bullshit. I'm going to keep drawing what I like but I die a little inside when I think about how all the other women who draw this way trooned out

No. 2591505

>>2591502
who cares? it's your art and not anyone else's.

No. 2591509

>>2591505
Well yes, but I guess I'm just disappointed that all of my artist friends and acquaintances trooned out ages ago and TIFs continue to shit up everything around me both in online and irl art spaces. There's something shitty about feeling like the "only one left" when it comes to drawing edgy autist womanchild shit.

No. 2591513

>>2591502
>>2591509
But that's a cool thing nona ♥ you're setting a good example by just being yourself

No. 2591515

>>2591509
I think it's badass that you draw edgy autist womanchild shit and I NEED you to keep posting it for the good of the edgy woman cause.

No. 2591599

>>2591509
Ugh I relate to that nona. 99% of the art on my feed are titchop slop because that's the only good art in the spaces and fandoms I'm in. It's unfortunate because other than the titchop scars the art is well-made, so I often end up just having to tolerate it and follow them anyway.

No. 2591619

>>2591069
Agreed. I see a woman in the reflection every fucking day. I don't wanna draw that.

No. 2591727

>>2590993
women are more beautiful and have more fun outfits, I'm into fashion

No. 2591798

>>2591040
>>2591236
>>2591727
I must be weird because I enjoy drawing men in gnc attire and makeup. The only times I draw girls is when they're just normal, gnc, or gender invert a male archetype. I don't seem to hate girls being seen as pretty but art is a vast canvas and half these arguments don't land when you can just draw whatever you want? But hey, some of you might not be a audience and that's fine, as long as you don't call me weird for what I like.

No. 2591837

>>2591798
>I must be weird
>as long as you don't call me weird
nta To each their own. We are not clones or whatever; I don't find it weird that some artists don't even want to draw people or living creatures. To try and adhere to some sort of perceived guidelines for what women should draw is dumb. I'm trying to get into mecha drawing personally, as the technical skills to make it not look like dogshit is hard for me. I don't care about drawing women personally; not enough sharp angles. Who cares about being weird; we already failed that skillcheck by being artistsnin the first place kek

No. 2591841

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Anyone ever seen this before on Art fight? I was searching for people to follow and saw this on someone's (already extremely long) character profile. It's not like this is something you can actually enforce? What happens if someone misses this and draws the character solo? Do they say something? Quietly seethe? Lol.

No. 2591842

>>2591841
no point in engaging and giving them free art if they're that obnoxious about it

No. 2591843

>>2591841
Never done artfight before, but I get it. I have OCs that are 99% ancillary to other characters and theoretically wouldn't want them to be alone/the focus if I was doing artfight to get free art of OCs gave more of a shit about. I wouldn't sperg about it (publicly) if people made solo art of said characters, but I would find it annoying.

No. 2591848

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I downloaded a guide about composition for illustrations & comics that's been going around online and it kind of annoys me because the artist who made it doesn't seem to be very good at making layouts. I don't know what it is with people making backgroundless single pages with tons of word bubbles/floating bodies but a drawing with an actual background that establishes where the characters are is far more interesting and easier to understand.

No. 2591851

>>2591848
What's the name of the guide? Your picrel looks horrible kek

No. 2591853

>>2590773
Funny you say that, because I have never called any woman in this thread a dicksucker

>>2591076
Same. I have no idea how males live their lives and I feel like my 3 male ocs are pretty unrealistic compared to irl moids. But oh well, my target audience is female, my ocs are gonna stay that way.

>>2591798
Damn, I wish we could share handles here, I want to follow you

No. 2591856

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>>2591848
Maybe I'm harsh because I've been reading Lynda Barry's books and she's really big on making sure the writing/art shows where the characters are and what's around them. But manga also do a good job of having a readable look with just 4-6 rectangles, and the artists I like use a lot of angles that make their layouts more akin to shots from a movie or photography. The follow the S shape/zigzag does nothing for me.

No. 2591858

>>2591798
I feel you nona. I used to be on the "drawing men is boring" and be frustrated that the most interesting and pretty fashion solutions seemed to only work on female bodies, but after I stopped giving a shit and started drawing gnc men wearing whatever the hell I wanted I started to have so much more fun drawing and designing things for male bodies. It's a hard line to cross but it feels really freeing once you realize you CAN just do whatever.

No. 2591859


No. 2591862

>>2591848
The muddy, weirdly dark colors don't help. A lot of guides would benefit from saying "here's how I x" rather than "here's how to x".

No. 2591883

>>2591848
The amount of small details, tiny speech bubbles and panels makes the pages look so crowded I wouldn't want to read them at all.

No. 2591890

>>2591848
>>2591856
I have a friend who specializes in comic pages like that (she has done work for a few studios as well as ghost work on a few webcomics at the start of her career) and we were actually talking about something like this a few weeks ago because I was ranting on how many comics online feel shitty to read even if they have good art. Long story short she said that indeed comic book/manga layouting is essentially a separate skill you need to learn, and that many of these artists are just regular illustrators who think they know what layouting is like but in the end they're applying regular illustration layout rules to a comic. It looks less like a comic page and more like a diagram, and many do it in hopes of it looking artsy, dynamic or interesting, but it sacrifices a lot of understanding simply because they're seeing the page as an illustration and not as a storytelling tool with its own specific layout rules to follow. "Learn the rules before breaking them" type of deal as always.

And yeah I can see it. I'm a graphic designer and the amount of times I've seen illustrators thinking they totally know graphic design and trying to make something "editorial looking" and shitting out the most obscene layout known to man because they don't actually know any of the most basic design rules is uncountable.

No. 2591894

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>>2591883
and the values being so close together make it hard to see everything clearly

No. 2591898

>>2591853
All of you are the same kind of retard so i treat you all as the same(infighting)

No. 2591899

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>>2591859
>I’m not really a comics person. I’ve never been particularly fond of reading them. I haven’t studied any of their techniques in any specific way. When it comes to sequential art, I’m really much more of an animation enthusiast and the way I’m approaching comics is often meant to emulate the things I like about animation. I have no idea how the ideas I talk about here fit in with the way comics are discussed by people who enjoy them on their own merit.
>As I’ve already mentioned, I’m terrible at paneling. I don’t like doing it and it doesn’t look good when I try.
Well, at least she's honest about it. I don't think everything she has to say in the comic section is necessarily bad, but I think one of the biggest issues she has is her aversion to drawing more orthodox layouts. She says it's because she finds them boring, but it feels more like a crutch to make up for her poor background drawing skills. I peeked at her tumblr and even her more recent comic work have a weak sense of perspective imo, so I get the appeal of going for more abstract compositions as a way to justify this aversion. However, I feel like she only gets away with this (in the sense that she has fans who like her work) because these are fanworks, so readers familiar with the Ace Attorney series can guess at locales without a lot of input on her part. I feel like an original work done in this style would have no sense of place or time and not in a good way. Wacky unconventional layouts can fun and can have a punch if used sparingly, but there's a reason why most comic artists default to more "boring" rectangle layouts imo. The other big issue that I feel she doesn't seem to be aware of is her speech bubble placement. It's pretty confusing at points and does a lot of what's in picrel (sorry for the furries, couldn't remember a better example).

No. 2591927

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Spaceydey/2D only gets into fgc events because she panders with cosplay and has gotten most organizers to be her orbiters. She gatekeeps then admits in private she never even plays fighting games lol. Also inflates numbers to act like she isn't sitting on dead stock and barely scraping by because she randomly makes keychain sets based on polls from twitter.

No. 2591953

>>2591927
Are you active in the FGC, nonna? There are cosplaying grifters aplenty.

No. 2591960

Found a ring of yumeshippers on ArtFight and I have plans to draw their characters with their husbandos. Now that I figured out how this shit works, I'm planning on having fun with it.
Personal art cow found me and drew me something which, despite how much I hate them, looks pretty nice. Might consider a cow-to-friend character development. Maybe! They're a yumeshipper too but I think it's a guy? Reads like a TIF, but insists just a cis guy. No mention of a single gendie character on their socmed too. Very odd.
Pissed I have a migraine though. But yeah; I hope you nonas enjoy Artfight this year. Less for the site itself and more to just find normal people you want to draw for. Protip; the ones who don't include pronouns in bio often have gnc female characters that are plain ol' non gendie characters.

No. 2591981

>>2591953
I'm aware. It's just annoying how much people whiteknight her. Saw someone call her the "Queen of FGC" unironically and I cringed hard. Also her style has gotten worse especially with how the eyes keep spreading farther apart.

No. 2591983

>>2591960
Quit the blogposting, pickme(infighting)

No. 2592031

>>2591983
How does that make her a pickme?

No. 2592033

>>2592031
Ignore it, obvious bait is obvious

No. 2592103

>>2592031
being a cringey self shipper and acting like you have any ground to shit on other cringelords(infighting)

No. 2592105

whatever happened to that artist that drew thinly veiled ddgl art with ridiculous height gap and played it off as "haha she's so much like his daughter". I think they posted here after getting salty.

No. 2592147

>>2591856
her explanation gives me, and I really don't want to be mean, that she hasn't read books or articles in some time. The traditional zigzag panel disposition feels natural to read for most humans because that's how you read in general

No. 2592165

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>>2591856
>those balloons in the top left
oh dear

No. 2592207

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>>2592165
It's also fine to place word bubbles on the characters, making them all separate bubbles like >>2591894 just adds a lot of unnecessary space

No. 2592256

>>2592165
I thought those balloons were serviceable, especially since the speech is color-coded. Though I'm honestly against color-coding speech balloons since they enable borderline shitty placement like this with beginners. Like the comic equivalent of not doing your fundies in favor of rendermaxxing.

No. 2592288

>>2592105
what’s her username nona? i don’t remember that being mentioned in the past few threads

No. 2592292

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>>2592105
which one? iuciferic? (picrel)

No. 2592299

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>>2591983
I'll admit it was definitely a kind of blogpost, but I was excited to also include the tidbit on gendies and stuff. Threw me for a loop though getting called a pickme kek

No. 2592305

>>2592299
Don't even worry nonna your post was fine and that response you got didn't even use pickme correctly anyway

No. 2592306

>>2592299
Don't listen to the haters nonnie, i thought your post was nice. mwah mwah

No. 2592343

terry is on artfight

No. 2592349

>>2592343
and Zendaya is Meechee

No. 2592388

>>2591960
i'm having a lot of fun tbh, glad you found characters you want to draw anon! i've seen lots of cool and cute characters, i also think fossils is going to win

No. 2592408

I'm a little sad I can't use the same ocs I did last year because of what happened, really there's only one oc in particular I really care about and want more art of her but oh well. Cheers to everyone participating! I'll be doing some attacks this weekend too. It's a nice excuse to do some experimental work since the site is mostly young hobbyists who are easily impressed.
>>2591960
That sounds like fun anon, I hope you enjoy drawing for the yumes and get some nice art in return. Are you a yume yourself?

No. 2592421

>>2592408
>Are you a yume yourself?
Yes and no! It is a closely guarded secret online for me (I don't post about it anywhere unless anonymously on lolcor or to one single friend who finds it very funny). I did hear in the husbando thread that there were people wishing for more yume artists, so I figured I'd give it a go.

No. 2592443

>>2592408
> I'm a little sad I can't use the same ocs I did last year
You probably can, just upload them and no one will notice. The mod team of Artfight has been massively unprepared this year for a lot of reasons, the help channel isn’t even open on discord this year for example. But they’ve always been very piled up with requests every year so even if someone does remember your oc and snitches on you, it’ll take a long time for a mod to get to that report and the rare chance this does happen, they can’t really do anything about it since they don’t have proof. Reports on art fight are known to be very slow and mods are shit at their job. It’s only day 5 so you have plenty of time to upload your favorite oc

No. 2592458

>>2592288
>>2592292
Yes, that's the one. It was funny af because she closed her tumblr and started ranting on twitter when she found these threads. I hate her thinly veiled, self-insert fetish art

No. 2592459

>>2592299
Genuinely asking, are you that sensitive that a rando can get you feeling so insecure? You're no different from the gendies you shit on tbh.(infighting)

No. 2592467

>>2592292
>>2592458
Does she have a doc on her? I’ve never heard of her before

No. 2592483

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>>2592292
I like her oc tbh

No. 2592497

>>2592459
ayrt I'm wondering how I pissed off two nonas so hard with such a positively worded post. I don't even think I shat on gendies in that post. Considered befriending one kek
But I hope you have a wonderful dag nona! Thank you for checking on me!

No. 2592502

>>2592467
She has been discussed a few threads before but I don't think she's milky enough to warrant a doc or anything? I could be wrong though.

>>2592483
Her oc is super cute! It's just fucking shitty that she's stuck in a creepy as hell DDLG situation with some pictures that are borderline incestuous in nature (there was one piece with her sitting on her dad's lap as he held her face in a very weird creepy way). She's sadly just a vessel for the artist's fantasies, it makes me sad.

No. 2592505

>>2592483
i find her webcomic/story funny because iuciferic gets a lot of credit for her mecha designs but some of her designs are straight out lifted from gundam, patlabor or armored core kek the red one behind the girl is almost completely copied from mobile suit gundam.

No. 2592518

>>2592483
>randoseru
damn she isnt even hiding her loli fetish

No. 2592554

>>2592483

I could be wrong but it looks like she drew over a csp model here.

No. 2592555

>>2592483
i respect her honestly, she's blatantly self-indulgent and that's fun to see, especially from a black artist. feels like most go down the route of having to be a Black Artist which means a lot of fro art and political pieces

No. 2592556

>>2592555
nta TO BE FAIR, afros are both fun to have and fun to draw. Unless you shortcut with a brush, I don't envy people drawing dreads.

No. 2592562

>>2592556
i was using afro as a shorthand for afro centric. just feels like when an artist announces themselves to be black, they can't be weird or have fun anymore.

No. 2592564


No. 2592567

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>>2592343
This is an imageboard, post the caps.

No. 2592581

>>2592564
Who is this

No. 2592588

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>>2592567
>>2592581
>>2592343
This is terribly, terribly old news my friends

No. 2592591

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speaking of artfight, Ginjaninja made one and has nearly 1000 attacks (or defenses) from people in 5 days. She is attempting to draw people back and is clearly putting effort into said drawings which is nice, but it feels slightly weird to be such a big creator on something like this? Maybe im just petty or something. Also i cannot believe how even the teams are this year, 248,816 users on Fossil and 248,814 on Crystal. complete thought itd be crystal by a landslide .

No. 2592593

>>2592591
>it feels slightly weird to be such a big creator on something like this?
There are a lot of popular artists in Art Fight. I’ve never even heard of the person you’re talking about.

No. 2592595

>>2592593
nta Ditto.

No. 2592609

>>2592591
Apparently Crystal had a big lead when the event started, I only saw anons on the artfight drama blog mention it though.

No. 2592611

>>2592593
>>2592595
NTA but goodness this is really hammering in the difference between older and newer artist salt anons for me kek.
>>2592591
>Also i cannot believe how even the teams are this year
Lot of people like dinosaurs, seeing a huge uptick in Jurassic Park fanart in the past few months too. Not a bad theme choice but it doesn't absolve how ugly it is.

No. 2592618

>>2592615
No, I avoid that thread like the plague, simply too autistic for me. Ginjaninjaowo has been a background figure on art YouTube for at least the past decade, next you'll say you don't who Istebrak is and I don't think my poor heart can handle that. Only poking a bit of fun kek, all in good nature

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>>2592593
>>2592595
Ginjaninja is/was a popular Warrior Cats + animation meme animator about 10 years ago, she makes like random art challenge videos now. Shes done work for the storytime channel JaidenAnimations and also for TheLivingTombstone. Shes a gendie but shes generally just whatever

No. 2592620

>>2592618
nta I definitely have no idea who that is. I newish to Artist Salt definitely, but the art scene for me had other morons in it like PurpleKecleon and Blitzdrachen, maybe Puppychan. (ironically the cows I keep track of happen to all be furries for some reason hmm)

No. 2592624

>>2592618
Kek I don’t know who that is either, sorry

Considering Ginjaninjaowo is associated with Warrior Cats, I’m surprised I don’t know of her, though the name sounds vaguely familiar. Speaking of Warrior Cats, were any other nonas in the scratch.mit.edu Warriors fandom in the early 2010s?

No. 2592625

>>2592619
I feel like one of the few early y2k internet users who had never gotten into Warrior Cats or watched JaidenAnimations.

No. 2592626

>>2592625
Why do people say “y2k” when talking about things that were mostly big in the late 2000s/early 2010s?

No. 2592627

>>2592588
I dont use artfight. I wonder why the admins locked it to users only.

No. 2592628

>>2592627
Maybe because the site has a hard time handling all the traffic from just the users participating?

No. 2592630

File: 1751781737928.png (888.49 KB, 1076x588, WCActuallyReaVideos.png)

>>2592624
Thats interesting you never ended up running into her stuff, atleast knowingly! I loved the warrior cat scratch games, did anybody ever use Disney Create?? it was part of the Disney website, let you post things and was covered in warrior cat stuff and powerpuff girl style rip offs. My first digital art ever was a emo scourge drawing on there when i was 8 kek

No. 2592634

>>2592591
> Also i cannot believe how even the teams are this year, 248,816 users on Fossil and 248,814 on Crystal. complete thought itd be crystal by a landslide .
It’s their autobalance feature guys…crystals had maybe like 20k~25k more people before they started autobalancing. You can look at the number of members from past teams and see that they’re very even thanks to this

No. 2592636

>>2592626
I don't know nona. I started using the internet in like 1998. I didn't want to say "90's kids"

No. 2592638

>>2592634
But when I clicked the random team button back when Crystals were likely leading, it still put me in Crystals…

No. 2592640

>>2592626
Okay, that’s fine then. I just see a lot of zoomers talking about the “early 2000s Internet” when they’re actually talking about the early 2010s.

t. zoomer

No. 2592737

>>2592640
Cause most zoomers grew up with computer right in front of them. That was my childhood and my siblings grew up in the early 2000s. 2000s and 2010s is such a good distinction. Most of the stuff from the 2000s became obsolete when i had internet access. It was mainly facebook not myspace

No. 2592761

>>2592640
Because a lot of zoomers are associating the term with the aesthetic and don't know what happened when. So things from 2010, 2011 will be labeled y2k. Its become an amalamous term when in truth it refers to something specific. Its become easy shorthand for the "early 2000s internet" but the context is often lost due to that association.

No. 2592765

Is artfight good for building an audience even if it’s a bunch of kids following you? I used to have a somewhat okay art account. Everything’s gone and im trying to get in the habit of drawing again

No. 2592832

>>2592555
Please don't pull "Grrl/black power" over ddgl loli shit. Her OC has a decent design, but the fetish stuff is shit. I don't even think she's black. She posted a selfie a long time ago.

No. 2592835

>>2592562
nonna, calm tf down. This is a cringe take, most black artists that are chill you simply default to thinking they're asian or white. Don't pull some 4chan /pol/ shit on all of us.

No. 2592854

Sooo when is that discord server coming

No. 2592858

>>2592765
Not solely in my experience, but there ARE a bunch of good artists on there, and it can help people give a fuck about your OCs if you're big on those. Just another good way to put yourself out there.

No. 2592865

>>2592854
Be patient nona. We must wait for the summerfags and tourists to grow disinterested and distracted with their normal lives. lmao i have no idea. I am torn between volunteering to make and run it and wanting to have nothing to do with it

No. 2592868

File: 1751813415040.jpg (287.53 KB, 940x1306, iuciferic.jpg)

>>2592832
>I don't even think she's black. She posted a selfie a long time ago.
NTA pretty sure she’s black, she was posted before and anons agreed the lolibait’s her self-insert, she used to post about being petite and looking like a middle schooler. She even colors the braids the same way hers look kek.

No. 2592875

>>2592868
she's a troon into loli shit? lol, lmao even.

No. 2592878

>>2592875
>>2592868
So weird to me how tifs are disproportionately into loli self-inserts. Theres probably some psychoanalysis you could do on this but i dont give enough of a shit honestly

No. 2592879

>>2584370
What if a man took a picture of his sister’s hand next to the drawing? That’s one loophole.

No. 2592896

>>2586732
>>2587158
Lacryboy depresses me. Her art reminds me in order to make money i must sell my soul. The rate of commissions seem high for her

No. 2593015


No. 2593031

>>2592555
>>2592562
honestly if black artist rep means lolicon ddlg fetish shit by a troon then the bar is beyond hell. there are so many better black artists who deserve the praise and attention and iuciferic is not one of them. please stop trying to paint this shit as just them being "cute or weird" when it's no better than your average 1000 year old loli scenario (which literally is, as stated by her webcomic).

No. 2593034

>>2593031
nah i like her art and think it's cute, very glad she'll continue to do her own thing, make money, friends etc. while you seethe and mald over it

No. 2593035

>>2593034
>while you seethe and mald over it
Can't even post salt in the artist salt thread kek, she caters to pedos whether she likes it or not. The main consumers of loli are pedo moids, and if thats the audience she wants then sad for her

No. 2593039

>>2593031
There’s probably some black artists that are well known, but their identities aren’t as exposed as much as hers. I don’t really blame them, some people are ruthless to them when they make specific artworks, especially when they’re women/underaged. I had a friend who has dreads but she’s mixed, and when she posted a photo of herself (I think it was a meet the artist thing), she was telling me how she had a bunch of creeps/weirdos who sent her some racist shit, especially because she does draw anime girls form her favorite shows. I noticed that if you do make black female characters or even expose that, there seems to be some kind of flack. There are some very very weird race fetishists as well, I remember exposing that I was half Asian and had some people who requested “bleaching” stuff and would get turned on by knowing that. I never posted anything coom related, I was merely in an art server and said something along the line. I feel like you have to be very careful when you expose your race/identity on specific platforms, especially depending on what you draw. Sometimes they’ll even do it even if you don’t post your art, it’s happened to me a few times.

No. 2593046

>>2592878
Sorry for the armchair, but I think a lot of tifs are auto pedophiles and usually troon out because they hate the bodies that comes with puberty (I.e they either have some kind of discomfort with what came with puberty, as most women do, as they wind up being disappointed that they’re scrutinized and sexualized when they undergo puberty, etc). A lot of them wind up becoming autopedophiles because they see some kind of security with seeing themselves as a version where they weren’t “hurt” or where they are seen as “androgynous”, you see this a lot with specific types of anorexic women as well, they try to look or appear as “childlike” as possible. It’s unhealthy because it’s basically admitting by admission that being a woman is solely to be sexualized for things they can’t control (growth spurts, etc), and instead of accepting their bodies as it is, they want to revert into a mental disorder that’s detrimental for them.

No. 2593048

>>2593034
(taking notes) so if you're black…and you like and produce lolicon pedo shit….it's perfectly okay…thanks nona

No. 2593052

>>2593046
I'm black and sometimes I'm glad I don't draw black girls often because people can't seem to behave themselves. You either get praised by white guilt types or told to kys by racist. The third kind, gooners, make my time online a living hell when they're not jacking it in their gooncaves. I hope this topic doesn't devolve into race bait because there's so much to be said around art spaces and their weird relations with race.

No. 2593053

>>2593034
Oh, guess she found the thread again kek(hi cow)

No. 2593056

>>2593052
Understandable, but really sad. I do artist alleys and kept getting told by (mainly east asian) artists they would skip black/brown characters, which is infuriating. That's what keeps me drawing black characters, but I get that people of many demographics get weird about our existence. Plus, tbh I get bored drawing people looking similar all the time.

No. 2593061

>>2592555
>guiz you dont understand her drawing pedoshit is aktually black expression and way better than political shit!! you are just jealous of her pedobaiting and being comfortable pandering to pedo scrotes!!
hmmmmmm

No. 2593067

>>2593052
I get it. I’m not black, but I’ve gotten some very weird gooner types when they found out my race. I stopped going into art spaces for that reason (if I do join them, it’s mainly women anyway), but it seems like the only way you can not get weird messages is if you pretend to be a man. I get so worried that they might dig up old photos of myself or my personal identity, I remember being underaged and having stalkers that were so bizarre about my race and were fetishizing both that and my age, and some of those people still hang out in specific artist circles. It’s repulsive that male artists/consumers can get away with that shit with no flack, while if women were to draw darker women and other types of characters, they’d get so much shit for it from every side (racists, gooners, etc). I remember seeing some kids get doxxed on twitter for drawing redrawn black characters, who were probably like 13 max, and it just seems so bizarre to me.

No. 2593070

>>2592483

I'd appreciate her art and her OC more if it was some girls-only mecha story or whatever instead of her being surrounded by much bigger adult men who have some sort of bizarro attraction or are drawn to her. I know she's supposed to be an immortal sun goddess and that "she's actually in control and these men are submissive to her because she's a divine creature!" or whatever but that's just the tired old 5000 year old loli argument and it doesn't make it any less creepy.

I think what kills me is that in some art she has drawn this OC looking like an adult woman. I wasn't sure if it was an age-up or if it was just a different form, but she looked like an adult and it was just so much better but it also made me so much more disappointed because it showed that she made this lolibait on purpose. She could've made this OC as a gorgeous adult black woman sun goddess but she chose to make it a weird DDLG loli fetish instead. It's really sad.

No. 2593077

>>2593070
I have to wonder if this is done by some specific female artists who feel the need to infantilize themselves because of stereotypes against them, so they may feel like they have to infantilize themselves in order to seem “feminine”, like how some artists will cling onto hyperfemininity to compensate constantly being seen as masculine and whatnot. Lottie who’s also black did this as well, and I have to wonder if some of them may project onto this autopedophilia because they don’t like the stereotypes against darker women being masculine and whatnot. I see the whole masculine stereotype on darker skinned female characters a lot.

No. 2593088

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>>2593077
I could buy this but the adult version of their OC looks extremely femme and would work even better than the younger version. If they want to reinforce their femininity, why not associate themselves with the extremely attractive, feminine adult woman design that THEY created? At this point I think it's legit just a sad fetish.

No. 2593097

>>2593088
>they they they
it's ok, you can say she's a "she" here

No. 2593099

>>2593097
My bad, I was referring to these types of artists as a whole for most of the sentence but kinda lost myself in the sauce.

No. 2593108

>>2593088
Insane nitpick but I don't like her style overall. The anime is not the problem but rather just how boringly anime inspired it is. Her concept is pretty solid but she chooses some of the most bland anime tropes and aesthetics to depict it. That pic of her mary sue character is very exemplary of this. It looks like one of those skins from a gacha game. Very little visual interest even though it looks pretty.

No. 2593120

>>2593097
Calm down, honey, it's not that deep

No. 2593122

>>2593077
Taking out the race aspect, I feel like this thinking is what propels the creepy Sesshomaru/Rin shippers of Inuyasha. Lots of weird projection.

No. 2593152

It's moments like these that make me glad I never mention being a woman or being black in artist spaces. They ask what I am, I say something stupid and autistic
>I am a sentient molar.
It shouldn't even be about the identity of an artist. It should never come up in conversation where you aren't anonymous. If you're a woman of any race, you will be fetishized. We should know this by now kek

No. 2593181

>>2593052
>>2593067
This is so interesting to me because I'm a black woman and have never gotten this kind of flack, even though I draw black characters. Most of my audience has somehow become millienial or late zoomer women, Chinese women, or older men. I am even proud and put my race in my bio or any introduction posts that I make, not that it really matters. What kind of subject matter do you guys post?

No. 2593183

>>2593067
Are you me, nona? I'm latina and the moment I mentioned that some really weird creepy randos started sprouting out of nowhere. I had some asking me for photos (I've never posted a photo of myself online under my internet name) and one was happy that "one of their favorite artists was a latina mommy" which I blocked instantly. The fact that I am a woman had always been visible in my account but the day I admitted being a latina the creepshits began to show up.

No. 2593203

>>2592878
>Theres probably some psychoanalysis you could do on this but i dont give enough of a shit honestly
do it nona

No. 2593211

>>2593183
I’m so sorry to hear that. I wish there was more safety for female artists from this shit, I hate how repulsive they can be. I also hate that I have to go as far as even using voice changers because I’m terrified they’ll be weird about it.
>>2593181
Mine was because I was in art related servers. I was a teenager around this time, and they allowed minors in, but I only posted architecture stuff. I was stupid and talked about myself in a topic about ourselves, and that’s when people started being weird. I never posted photos of myself, but when I mentioned my race and they heard my voice, I had some weirdos request weird stuff and whatnot. One guy asked me to draw a penis for him when I was 14 and I was told he’d ask underaged girls this and would get off of that. I was added in the server by an art mutual. There was other art circles I was involved in where I had similar comments as well, but that was because someone leaked photos of my face to others, and I had two artists who were adult men who stalked me due to it. Obviously, it was stupid of me, but I was in high school school and I was friends with this person for years. I have had friends who also had weird interactions but they drew women characters, though it wasn’t anything coom related. I learned to not admit personal things of myself nor to join voice channels in servers for that reason, even if I do befriend other artists.

No. 2593304

>>2593203
NTA but for a woman who hates being a woman or feels like a failure, manhood and lolihood are equal and opposite fantasies. Either be a man and opt out of that expectation, or be the "perfect" pornified girl. The media paints becoming a man as attainable in real life, but online it's perfectly viable to at least appear to be a loli, and social media is filled with lolicon creeps.

Male fantasy:
Become the hot ideal guy you always thirsted over. This may include splurging on a bunch of "male fashion" peacockery from movies and anime that real men don't actually wear, or dressing like a girl but getting extra points for being "gnc". Alternatively, just opt out of attractiveness, and dieting and makeup and fashion, and it won't matter because guys don't have to do that. Either get with a girl and fulfill your perfect boyfriend fantasy by becoming the boyfriend, or get with a guy and live out your yaoi fantasies. As a man you are strong, masculine, privileged, admired, and totally capable of dealing with all the challenges in your life, because testosterone is magic. If you've been sexually assaulted before, or had sex you regret, it's okay because men don't let that stuff get them down and can't be victimised. If you do want to have sex or present yourself as a sex object, it's fine and cool because men don't get called sluts for that. You probably already had mostly/exclusively male friends, and as a man you'll surely fit in even better with them. Men will automatically like and respect you because you're a man too. You'll stick out from other women by not being one.

Loli fantasy:
Become the perfect girl according to porn and porn addicts. Be tiny, thin, and cute, or at least pretend you are but without having to put in any effort. Maybe get into lolita fashion, or those sexy outfits you wanted to wear as a teen but couldn't because your parents wouldn't let you, or maybe nostalgic kids fashion. No matter what, creeps will still simp for you and you'll get a self-esteem boost. Since you're just a little girl, no one expects you to grow up and do hard things, and people will always be willing to excuse your faults. If you've been sexually assaulted before, or had sex you regret, it's now a perfect irreproachable excuse to regress and a defense against any accusations of wrongdoing. If you wanted to have sex but never did, it just reinforces your innocent, virginal nature. And if you want to have sex or present yourself as a sex object now, no one can blame you for that because you're an innocent little girl and anyone who has a problem with you is a perv for noticing. You've probably been mostly/entirely surrounded by male creeps online, so if you appeal to them it will make you really popular. You'll stick out from other women by sinking into depths of depravity that they won't touch.

No. 2593306

>>2593304
>>2593203
Oh yeah I forgot, also the fetishization of abuse/bdsm either as the male perpetrator or perfect victim.

No. 2593321

File: 1751848697521.jpg (2.95 MB, 3927x2546, 1.JPG)

I feel such deep, intense envy that I’ll never receive or create attacks like this on artfight. There’s this certain clique on af of artists in a sort of circlejerk where they mostly attack each other and a lot of them are adapting to this composition type of style to make it more unique i guess. The style is kind of pretentious but at least it’s interesting to look at. They get tons of attacks so I don’t even want to bother attacking them, drawing all that just for them to attack their friends or lucky people with cuter and more appealing ocs than me.
It kinda kills my motivation in participating in art fight tbh. If I were to start making pieces like this, I don’t want people to catch up on the fact that I’m copying the latest trend. And it would feel forced for me to start doing these too. I thought my attacks were high quality because I try to include detailed backgrounds in mine, and they take a long time for me to do, but seeing these types of attacks makes me feel brutally mogged. So I’m just working my ass off drawing detailed attacks with backgrounds but ms. Zoomer on Twitter is getting more attention and love with these special attacks and has her close friends and followers hyping her up while I barely get 20 likes on the attacks I’ve posted. I hate my life

No. 2593331

>>2593321
Geez you have a lot of mental barriers to drawing, just take some inspiration from these sort of compositions and have fun

No. 2593340

>>2593046
That makes a lot of sense, if they can't be a girl forever, they want to pass a young boy forever. Even the most "well-passing" TIFs only pass as a 13 year old boy at best, and that's the goal.

No. 2593346

>>2593321
This is a pretty pathetic post, nona. Listen to >>2593331

No. 2593352

>>2593321
what are their account names?

No. 2593354

>>2593046
Ayrt and yeah this is a pretty good armchair thank you for doing it for me kek

No. 2593393

>>2593352
magichickens and chokore_4, you’ll find the rest in their attacks

No. 2593428

>>2593321
It is better to use Artfight as practice or PR stunts

No. 2593458

>>2592443
>it’ll take a long time for a mod to get to that report
Nta but I’d figure I would let everyone know I had a report resolved within 5 hours of the initial incident. It was pretty open and shut plus the incident happened at an odd time, so that may impact the amount of time it took to resolve too. Not sure if anyone was curious about mod response time but it’s a point of data that may be useful.

No. 2593463

>>2593321
Making Art for the Wrong Reasons: An Etude

No. 2593572

>>2592865
>>2592854
Don't make a Discord until the autumn/winter. Even then I think it's not a good idea.

No. 2593591

>>2592854
>>2592865
>>2593572
Making discords isnt allowed newfags

No. 2593592

>>2593070
>>2593077
I don't think it's that deep for a lot of artists like this. Artists like that like size-gap and age gap and making the female half young acts as exaggeration of the dynamic and explains why the female half is small. In theory women like this could make petite but adult aged OCs but I actually think people would complain more.

No. 2593594

>>2593572
Sidenote but do people really still believe in the summerfag phenomenon? Same with 4chan users. I think this would be more believable back in the early 2010s but these days less and less kids learn about websites that aren’t famous social media sites. I’m pretty sure most of their internet usage is exclusive to apps like TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, etc. because a lot of families don’t have home computers anymore. It’s part of why deviantart died for example. So the newer generation isn’t gonna be very familiar with 4chan, much less lolcow. If there are summerfags I imagine it’s a very small amount of people. I just don’t really imagine these types of sites gaining new users/visitors, most of the userbase are oldfags who will stick around until the site’s death, and growth will remain mostly stagnant

No. 2593601

>>2593591
Nta but why do you say that? Last year nonas in these very art salt threads formed a gamedev discord no problem >>2156814 and there’s nothing against it in the rules

No. 2593619

>>2593594
I distinctly remember a nona saying she learned about lolcow through Roblox

No. 2593638

>>2593594
every summer unprecedented levels of mental illness show up on any platform. I think most summerfags are preteens or teenagers because I keep seeing posts about Roblox or what my little cousins talk about here

No. 2593653

kek i think this will be my last art fight…
>trying to pretend to be enthusiastic on getting uggo art of your ocs in the comment
>80% of attacks received are ugly while the rest is the rare decent looking or even great art
>visit someone’s character page for revenge and force myself to choose a character who looks the least ugly
>trying to draw their character for revenge but i have no motivation and keep browsing twitter instead
>spend hours of doing minimal work
yeah nonas i don’t think this is for me, unfortunately can’t quit now because i want to make more attacks so i don’t look like a complete asshole in farming free art, i’ve only made 3 attacks so far and the attacks i get keep piling up. and we’re only on the first week sigh

No. 2593688

>>2593594
>It’s part of why deviantart died for example.
Nona let's go out back and talk this out. I have a bajillion reasons attributing to the fall of DeviantArt, but that didn't make it to the checklist. Please elaborate. (I know that was not the focus of your argument)
>>2593653
>giving a shit about getting a lot of bad art
Maybe I am playing Artfight wrong. If I don't like their OCs (furfags), I don't respond. I get ignored all the time too. Like, shit, why are other artists allowed to ignore us but we have to feel obligated to cater to the ones we show no interest in? You're either an asshole or a rug, and I think one involves getting stepped on less. Hell, I even put on my page that I will likely not bother with counter attacks.
Draw the cool and the cute OCs nona. Be the asshole. But the unreachable artist that is too good for the poopscribbles people throw at you. Or even better, put the same amount of effort into the counter-attacks as the ones you receive. Be free nona.
I don't understand the absolute thirst to receive art, personally. I've gone my entire life being screwed over by art trades so I just assume I'll never get my shit drawn. Is this not the default art mentality? To give for free or get paid money? Nothing else?

No. 2593700

>>2593601
>Do not advertise
The only reason those anons got away with it was because no one reported them. The pickme from /ic/ also used to spam their discord here and got banned.

No. 2593705

File: 1751875869478.gif (6.99 MB, 600x401, butt.gif)

>>2593688
>You're either an asshole or a rug, and I think one involves getting stepped on less.
Are you sure about that nona

No. 2593707

>>2593591
>>2593601
>>2593700
I thought you were only allowed to make one if you organized it by directing people to your contact in the friend finder thread?

No. 2593709

>>2593700
nta This is a good point. I yield.
>>2593705
ayrt You've shaken my foundation and I will not stand for it.

No. 2593716

>>2593714
why are moids like this
digusting

No. 2593717

File: 1751876434799.jpg (Spoiler Image,210.31 KB, 1440x900, albert.png.jpg)

Alberto Mielgo, one of the artists behind Love, death, and robot, used to have descriptions for his oil painting portfolio. All of his paintings were the women he slept with. He is so loved in the art community despite being obnoxious. His interviews are just shitty rambling with sex jokes everywhere. He removed the text in his website but they are still accessible on wayback. He removed it around 2021 when the Laura post circulated on twitter.
He tried to push threesome on his two female roommates Paula and Gemma. Alberto reminds me of Terry Richardson who made a coffee table book with photos of girls he’d slept with. I like it when men are open books like this. It’s easy to feed into the ego of men in the art industry and use it against them. sorry repost I forgot to spoiler

No. 2593719

>>2593714
sucks he sucks because his animation work is good

No. 2593722

File: 1751876702336.jpg (Spoiler Image,186.01 KB, 1440x900, Alberto.png.jpg)

>>2593717
are all creative men like this? talented enough to get away with perverted musings like that one guy on twitter who goes by syzygy

No. 2593731

>>2593688
It’s nothing too complicated really.
>early 2000s and 2010s had a lot of families with family computers
>kids used the computer, smartphones were not really big yet during this time
>deviantart was one of those old internet sites
>times passes
>less families have family computers
>most kids these days only have a tablet and/or phone for their internet usage
As for why a lot of households don’t have family computers anymore I’m not too sure, my guess is the price of living has risen a lot so they can’t afford one a modern pc. Because tbf my family pc was not fancy at all, it was the early 2000s so just one of those pcs with a big square monitor.
This was discussed here
>>2553771

No. 2593733

>>2593688
>I don't understand the absolute thirst to receive art, personally. I've gone my entire life being screwed over by art trades so I just assume I'll never get my shit drawn. Is this not the default art mentality?
I don’t really understand it either anon. Just don’t draw things you’re not interested in, it’s how I operate and assume everyone else does too. Anything else would just be me forcing expectations around receiving and giving a gift which is just rude.
It’s a gift, you can do whatever you want with it after I give it to you. If you like me enough to give a thank you gift back that’s cool but not the expectation. Free yourself of doing anything more and you’ll be happier.

No. 2593735

>>2593717
>>2593722
Oh this is utterly disgusting, what a gross scrote. I am glad i never watched this shit.

No. 2593738

>>2593181
>Chinese women
That actually surprises me because I thought Chinese people had this weird visceral reaction towards dark skin? Then again, I guess it comes down to the individual and the appreciation of the art.

No. 2593740

>>2593688
i care because i know what it’s like to be ignored by a popular artist on artfight and it sucks. and i’m trying to keep up a good ratio so i have a good “reputation” in case i ever participate again.
i still feel guilty for never attacking back those people who drew amazingly rendered art of my ocs last year and i cringe thinking about it. i could be one of those artists who attack people for revenge from last year, but if i did that i’d be on a never-ending mission of trying to revenge all these people so i stick with revenging attacks from this year only.
basically i just feel guilty by not attacking back. i am skipping people who have ocs i just can’t vibe with, but i’m still left with a good amount that i can attack.
who knows though, maybe frustration will get to me and i’ll just stall until the event ends. i really hate the feeling of wasting my time, and i’m feeling that a lot when drawing some uggo oc i don’t care about and have no joy in drawing. i’m pissed off because there’s so many things i would prefer to be doing and drawing but it feels like i’m trapped kek

No. 2593746

>>2593717
So this is why Jibaro felt like it had a gross, smelly film on it.

No. 2593760

>Tif woman has ocs
>They're always men who are shaped like an inverted triangle, long and Sharp/edgy faces, smug expression with dark circles, the teeth are pointy, ofc gay and their partner is someone exactly like them just with a scruffy beard or a short, very thin guy that looks dirty, with spiky hair, same smug/tired expression and yellow teeth.

Do you know that pic that triangulates tif art into yaoi shit, weird uncanny chopper animals and ugly men? This is also a very weird combo, I thought that I knew strange people but the TF2/Overwatch chara design is too popular with tifs and I wonder why do they like it so fucking much but I know that I despise those designs, to me it's like seeing the Shadman/Slugbox equivalent for women, it's a kind of slop style that makes everything look dirty but no sane woman likes that, I wonder why tifs cant do nice art for the life of them and I'm not talking about the characters being conventionally pretty, even their color choices are ugly and muddy with toxic waste colors mixed with yellow and/or brown filters, it's like they learn a totally esclusive artstyle and die with it.

No. 2593767

File: 1751880144672.png (2.57 MB, 1586x862, peniparker.png)

>>2593717
He was also pushing hard to make the child, Peni Parker, look like The Witness (LD&R) femc. Which if you haven't seen is pure fetish bait.

No. 2593774

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>>2593767
She looks more like a Punchline but loli rip off, why is she wearing Joker make up?

No. 2593781

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Finally, people are starting to catch on. Took long enough

No. 2593792

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>>2593767
Sometimes the guys feel like self inserts. He may be recycling the same idea for the penni design. Photos are him in 2019 when the witness came out. The project on bottom left is from 2021

No. 2593795

>>2593781
Lets pray that post gains more traction

No. 2593802

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>>2593767
>>2593792
Oh gross i realized he gave her the same stripper heels as the witness. I dont know penni’s character other than she is a kid. I guess when they were creating her she was probably a teen but she looks very young

No. 2593807

>>2593781
The jirassic fandom is wild

No. 2593808

>>2593717
>>2593746
I had a strange gut feeling about Jibaro the one time I saw it, like it oozed moidy fetishisation of the torture and suffering of a woman. Others (men mostly ofc) told me it was supposed to highlight issues of male exploitation of female bodies, but it NEVER felt like that, it felt like the pure disgusting indulgement fantasy of a moid with a degenerate kink. Like the exact same way Picasso tortured the shit out of his wife so he could capture the "perfect" vision of her distraught, broken character through his ugly ass paintings. It's the same type of moid behaviour, supposed suffering artists who get off on abusing and using women for their shitty art.

No. 2593810

>>2593808
I liked Jibaro I will admit. I'm not surprised Mielgo is a pervert (because he's a man), he did talk about what it was supposed to represent and apparently it's supposed to represent unhealthy relationship breakups which is funny because that isn't what I got from it at all. I think it is still good though evidently in spite of Mielgo, seems like he had a good team to reign him in. A lot of artists are no good as solo acts and only function acceptably as part of a team or with someone to tell them no.

No. 2593821

>>2593781
Finally, i wonder if the user in screenshot is a farmer? Are lolifags coming to his defense already? Mossa will be so mad

No. 2593822

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>>2593821
https://x.com/Silicon65/status/1942100976275529950?t=gi2nUMarSEAnB1HbuPuHsQ&s=19
Ayrt, looking through the replies and qrts there's only like 2 trolls defending him. Other lolifags are just asking for proof and that's it. Op and the other people seem to suck at providing proof because they (understandably) don't want mossa's snuff porn in their media tabs. Hate it when people suck at providing proof online especially when they're in the right because it makes everyone else look like idiots.
As for OP being a farmer, maybe she's crypto or something but I doubt it. I doubt we're the only people on the internet to know of this.

No. 2593825

>>2593781
Fucking finally. Hope they doxx him, it'd be easy too considering he retardedly showed his face from time to time.

No. 2593831

>>2593740
Don’t know if that helps, but if you feel like you’re wasting your time, maybe approach art fight like a challenge on your skills. Even with the ugliest or most boring OCs, I find it fun to try and find a ‘hook’ for my drawing of them, or maybe use it as an opportunity to get experimental or draw a background etc etc

You seem pretty popular so I assume you have a pretty unique art style, and I’d consider it a fun challenge to adapt an unappealing character into something appealing in your art style.

No. 2593832

File: 1751887208468.jpg (390.27 KB, 2880x2880, mossa.jpg)

>>2593821
samefag, he just privated kek. Are more people discovering his gross art? It means he's fully aware and guilty of it. Can anyone translate the tweets in the second image?

No. 2593836

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>>2593832
Ran it through Google Translate. I wonder who that one person might be (unless it's a translation error)

No. 2593837

>>2593831
Another thing you could do is give yourself a timer, say 20 minutes, and see what you can get done in that time. And then you don’t have to think about those attacks again

Also speaking as someone who’s done full rendered pieces with backgrounds for people who didn’t revenge me back, I really don’t mind. I was inspired by their OCs and just having their reaction and seeing them enjoy my art was enough to make me happy! It’s probably the same for the people who went out of their way to draw your characters in complex or detailed ways, so you don’t have to feel guilty for not attacking back.

No. 2593840

>>2593836
Probably his follower count. People keep focusing on the loli stuff and i need them to understand its way bigger. I dont want this moid near women and children

No. 2593841

>>2593840
Hopefully his follower count drops like how he's gonna drop the soap in the prison showers then

No. 2593845

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>>2593825
>>2593841
Clearly he doesn't afraid of getting caught by the police if he's posting photos of himself and even streets of his city. I'm not sure if it breaks the rules if he posted those photos himself? Censored in case

No. 2593849

>>2593845
Post it for the archival purposes in case he deletes it

No. 2593851

>>2593849
I have archived link but won't it be violation of site's rules?

No. 2593852

>>2593851
It's a pic he himself posted. Also it probably doesn't include any other info like the name of the town. In one of the Fanny threads a nona posted Fanny's location with both images and text that Fanny herself had posted on tumblr and no one was banned.

No. 2593856

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No. 2593859

>>2593831
>>2593837
thank you for the advice nona. i try to make my attacks have something more than a blank white background which is why im compelled to draw in bgs, even 20 minutes for a piece with no background is probably too little for me kek. an attack of mine must take at least 2 or 3 hours minimum and me getting distracted all the time because of low motivation must be why im so miserable this year.
glad to hear how you feel about attacks, guess I’m different because i take it too personally if an artist doesn’t revenge me back sometimes and end up overthinking too much

No. 2593862

>>2593781
I saw this earlier when it had like 300 likes. Has anyone posted proof yet? It could just be a link or something. When i saw it and checked the replies, people were asking for proof but no one came forward with anything which i found very frustrating. There’s so many things these people don’t know, its just the tip of the iceberg.

No. 2593869

>>2593862
Sort of. They mentioned the picture is up on his baraag account with a screencap of the description. I'm too chickenshit to check but if I didn't heavily value my No Fucking Drama rule on my twitter, I'd have censored it and posted it myself. Sorry I failed you nonas kek

No. 2593877

File: 1751890479392.png (Spoiler Image,431.66 KB, 745x879, 0965095.png)

>>2593862
I'll bite the bullet and post as much info as I can, if mods delete this for being too graphic or something I understand.
Link to mossa's drawing: https://baraag.net/@cannibalism/103397948373760086
Sylvia Likens case description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sylvia_Likens
If you don't want to unspoiler (I censored it a little), here's a description: it's a drawing of Vicky from Fairly Odd parents after being abused physically and sexually. Note the writing on her stomach ("I'M A PROSTITUTE AND PROUD OF IT"), exactly the same as the case. There is also an empty coke bottle that's implied to have been shoved up Vicky's vagina (again just like in the case). There are some extra details in the drawing that also match up like her having had cigarettes put out on her and the extra doodles on her stomach like the letter S near her chest that looks like a 3 and the little triangle at the end, the latter of which he could have only pulled directly from autopsy pics of Likens's corpse since I don't think it's mentioned anywhere else (feel free to correct me). Everything matches up with the case, it's impossible for it to be a coincidence.

No. 2593878

>>2593760
They wanna be original and quirky. Nothing else to it. Some of them were once weebs who use to draw anime but once that fell out fashion for a bit it was all tumblr sjw slop until the y2k revival.

No. 2593881

>>2593877
Can you put this link in archive.ph or ghostarchive.org in case he delete it?

No. 2593882

To the nonna that was shitting up the past threads with Mossa;
I'm sorry we ignored you. We are delayed but finally paying attention.

No. 2593885

>>2593881
Samefagging because i'm lazy to deleted, actually better put it in ghostarchive because you need to click on the spoiler image to see it and it's impossible to do it in archive.ph
>>2593882
Context?(learn2delete)

No. 2593889

>>2593845
why censor when hes softdoxxing himself

No. 2593893

>>2593877
Never heard of this case in my life. What kind of sick fuck references this. I bet he has whole peter sotos level collection of stories piled up for his amusement

No. 2593904

yes mossa getting mini cancelled again is nice but in like a few days people will stop caring and he’ll post normally again, with most people unaware of how much of a vile shit he is.
my real dream is to have him get in trouble with korean law enforcement. maybe someday korean nonas can snitch on him. i know that they’re aware of dorontabi but i don’t think anything really happened to him, he’s still posting too. and i don’t know how many koreans are aware of mossa, im sure some do since he’s pretty famous

No. 2593927

i have a big problem with getting distracted by social media when drawing and it’s consuming a lot of my progress. there’s moments where it feels like 5 minutes can’t pass without me checking twitter or youtube. is this adhd or normal? it feels like everyone on the internet has adhd and autism and yes i relate to a lot of common symptoms but it always felt like most people have those traits so it’s nothing special. maybe people who use the internet a lot starting from a young age are more prone to have adhd and that’s why so many people i see online have it, including me maybe?

No. 2593929

>>2593904
>korean law enforcement actually enforcing law against men
I'm sorry but there's no way this will happen. The only way for him to reach any actual cancelation level is if korean women are notified

No. 2593942

>>2593929
Nta but any kind of pornography is illegal in Korean and people can get arrested over it. Mossa got in trouble over his loli drawings in 2020

No. 2593971

>>2593942
Did he end up going to jail?

No. 2593973

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>>2593971
I guess not

No. 2593978

>>2593821
Supergott is a tif that's sometimes kind of milky herself. I doubt she's a farmer but she may lurk since she was posted on Kiwifarms years ago and may know lolcow from the faggots talking about it.

No. 2593979

>>2593973
Crazy how he says this but still posts nude art of children or lolishota under the guise of it being "historical" art.

No. 2593982

File: 1751898525198.jpg (693.05 KB, 1084x5069, image (2).jpg)

It's been a few hours after mossa was confronted with that gross drawing and he still don't give a fuck and retweets things on his second account as if nothing happened
>>2593979
He still draws explicit lolishit on his fanbox while being in Korea, is he just don't care or lacks self-awareness?

No. 2593990

>>2593927
>is this adhd or normal?
Moreso social media addiction. I recommend taking a time to detox from it. I get like that sometimes, especially if I'm waiting for someone to respond to something important. Hell, ir's high time I do that myself; I think we fall the furthest when sick. When you can't work and have free time (and are bedridden), it becomes a crutch maybe.

No. 2593992

>>2593973
praying some korean anon snitches on him

No. 2593995

>>2593982
It's obvious from his reaction to that other artist's meme he's a massive attentionwhore. He knows what he's doing is illegal and doesn't want to get in trouble but that sweet engagement is too tempting so he posts anyways. Couple that with the fact that he's so addicted to the point he has shared his face and general location many times, it's pathetic Twitter users haven't reported his ass by now.

No. 2593999

>>2593982
He's lost over 1k followers by now I believe. I've been seeing some more lolifags in the replies of the OG post defending him, but they're not really posting any arguments besides the typical "no one cares/get a job/get real problems" as if having a moid who finds a horrific case of torture and abuse sexy enough to draw art inspired by it being free on the streets is not a problem. Is there anyone here currently following him who can see if he posted anything else?

No. 2594003

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>>2593999
Mossa's followers has been significantly dropping in just 4 hours but it won't affect him that much. Was it because of sugargoat's tweet or there's more viral tweets from other people saying the same thing?

No. 2594015

>>2593904
>>2593979
>>2593999
>>2594003
please discuss this cow in the relevant thread >>>/snow/2121249
continued discussion of this cow here will be considered off-topic

No. 2594024

>>2594015
>discussing artcows is considered off topic in the art thread
Are you new? That thread is for explicitly nsfw artists not for artists who do both(take it to /meta/)

No. 2594043

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>>2593594
If that's true why are so many "farmers" on Roblox?
>most of the userbase are oldfags who will stick around until the site’s death, and growth will remain mostly stagnant
Mate, there's like three oldfags left. Gen alpha found soyjak party I'm sure we're not that hard to find. FFS we had children talking about Sprunki not long ago kek

No. 2594291

>>2593760
>I wonder why tifs cant do nice art for the life of them
Unfortunately a lot of the good digital artists are TIFs too

No. 2594445

>>2594015
god bless the farmhands im fucking sick of hearing anons wax about their pet pedocow ITT, the derailing to talk about him was every god damn thread. if i never hear about him or brujo again ill be in fucking nirvana

No. 2594449

>>2594024
>"Are you new?"
>replying to a farmhand
You newfags are so tiresome

No. 2594456

complaining about social media post number 77487487348 but i feel like the way i'm approaching social media is bordering on self harm. i draw artwork i hate for a fandom i hate and it gets no reaction and it stresses me out so bad I can't sleep. i'm drawing in a shitty anime style because i thought it would be more approachable and interesting for people, and nobody cares. i post something in a style i love that i put a ton of time into and it does even worse and hurts even more. i hate forcing myself to open socials and fake engagement, i hate every second i have the app open and i hate interacting with people just to please the algo. i feel so anxious every time i have to open the app at all. my media tab is so inconsistent because I keep throwing shit at the wall and nothing is sticking and i end up deleting stuff that doesn't hit my target, which is like an embarrassingly low bar at this point. I force myself to draw different trends and ships I don't care about and memes, i just want to draw my ocs in my style, experiment, put in time and effort, and have people say they like my art, but nobody is going to give a fuck if I don't have a following first, and somehow along the way i started doing shit to get any sliver of attention. when i get numbers it's always a meme post that makes me feel like a souless attention seeker, people who started behind me are way ahead of me now and flourishing in numbers and engagement with their regular non meme drawings, but even on my posts that do well i only get like one or two comments. I have no idea what i'm doing wrong and whether i should keep trying with this soul sucking fandom shit i don't care about or if i should draw what i like and then feel like trash when nobody cares. sage for mental breakdown

No. 2594472

>>2594456
If you don't draw for yourself first and foremost before anything, don't even post it online.

No. 2594483

>>2593717
Does anyone know why he was fired by sony?

No. 2594488

>>2594456
Get a hobby. An actual one.

No. 2594493

>>2594488
drawing is my main hobby, it's basically the only thing i care about and have time to do outside of my even more soul sucking job which is why it's stressing me out so much.

No. 2594499

>>2594493
Is drawing your hobby or gaming the algorithm your hobby?

No. 2594501

>>2594493
Nta, getting wrapped on social media will destroy the way you go around art. If clicking the app makes you upset then you should limit your social media time. Your hobby should be an outlet not anxiety inducing. When i was at a similar point i just deleted my accounts without saying a word and focused on my art alone

No. 2594503

>>2594456
People can sense your desperation and trend-following through your pictures and that's why they don't retweet. Just draw the things that you like to draw. 2 likes on a drawing of your favorite OC >>>> 20k likes on a bullshit fanart you don't care about

No. 2594504

>>2594456
Why do you care about people giving you engagement? If you're trying to get more commissions etc and make money, drawing fanart you don't care for is basically a given, and if people aren't responding, you need to reanalyze your tactics. Are you actually picking fandoms and characters whose fanarts get a lot of engagement and are you reaching out to others, like leaving comments, and participating in fandom events?

No. 2594517

>>2594504
i'm in a massive fandom and have made a lot of friends throughout the 15+ years i've been there, but this year something snapped and I can't stand it anymore. i care mostly because i'm still trapped in this community and people i know in it are becoming successful, so it feels in part like i still have to play along, but really i just want people outside my immediate fandom circlejerk to enjoy my artwork and say they like it, whether it's fandom or not. My heart is not in this series anymore but it's been such a big part of my life for so long that it's hard to pivot, so I'm just pretending i still care.
I did do commissions, i absolutely loathed every second of them, I don't reach out or leave comments to people anymore. I have a medium sized following left over on socials that i thought would be enough of a safety net to coast along, but it was because of memes and now that i've tried serious stuff it's stagnated hard. It's mostly just anxiety over falling behind people in my circle who are doing well and draw stuff in this fandom because they care about it, and get lots of responses from people because it's a shared interest.

No. 2594527

>>2594493
>>2594517
>it's basically the only thing I care about
>i draw artwork i hate for a fandom i hate
>i hate forcing myself to open socials and fake engagement, i hate every second i have the app open and i hate interacting with people just to please the algo.
Stop all this self-flagellation, stop pretending you're beholden to some algorithm. Do you like drawing or do you like asspats? Truly get comfy being an OCfag drawing in your little digital fiefdom by your lonesome. Once you get the stench of desperation off of you, then you might get lucky and attract one or two like-minded OCfags and become friends. A single digit number of friends/fans who can actually name and give a shit about your OCs is vastly superior to whatever fans you gather algo-chasing, 90% of those people are just looking for art for whatever fotm shit they're obsessed with before they drop it and move on to next month's shiny new thing. You can't cultivate a good audience like that if your true goal is to gather people who give a shit about your art and your OCs.
I don't know who told you that it's as simple as amassing an audience with fandom shit and doing a bait and switch, because it really isn't. 99% of OC artists will be obscure even if their OCs are cool and interesting. Anyone who appears to have done a bait and switch with success are just artists who got lucky and happened to appeal to some demographic's zeitgeist and don't believe anyone who says it's easy to capture a zeitgeist, moids are especially prone to thinking this is something you can just calculate and capitalize on. Most of the time, whatever tropes and aesthetics you personally find compelling about your OCs will not be compelling to the vast majority of internet goers and that's fine. It doesn't (necessarily) mean your work is shit, it just means you didn't win the fickle internet lottery. You need to relearn how to enjoy drawing again, because you clearly forgot if external validation is so important to you.

No. 2594529

>>2594517
It might be time to move on, find a new fandom or focus on your OCs.

It doesn’t sound like art is your career so I don’t understand why you’re so obsessed with gaming the algorithm like that. Draw stuff you wanna draw and stuff you’re proud of.

If you want to pivot to another fandom, you might be surprised it could net you a bunch of followers and a wave of new people and make it feel fun to talk to new people and engage more etc. If you want to pivot to OCs, they probably will be much less popular but at least you will be drawing stuff that is 100% your own. And who knows! Sometimes OCs get super popular too.

but I think the best would be to do as other nonnas suggested and take a break from social media and only share your art with yourself or close friends. I’ve been doing that for a few years and I overall feel much more happy and fulfilled with my art now that I don’t have to think about likes and followers and other peoples judgment.

No. 2594541

>>2594456
>but nobody is going to give a fuck if I don't have a following first
Ackshually, that's when fandom artists start pissing followers is when they pivot towards original content. If you don't start off doing that, you run the risk. Definitely find something you enjoy or you'll look like a fandom hopper. Additionally, if you want comments and the like, just use Tumblr. Join Communities, use generalized tags, (i.e. monster boy, centuar, werewolf, cyberpunk, etc) that describe your characters, put yourself out there differently. Comment on other artist aoCs, be genuine. You don't want to uphold a façade forever because of what you're feeling right now! Being honest with how you are (keep your anti-trans or anti-male stances to yourself though kek) will.make your behavior more consistent and reliable. Use tumblr's queue to post reliably throughout the week, etc.
I believe in you nonny. If I can do it, so can you. Lose yourself in your own world and fall in love again with the trade.

No. 2594575

>>2594445
I am sorry but you are the newfag, these threads were made to post milk, most surrounding the art commentary community back when it was active. Complaining about people posting milk on lolcow is peak newfag behaviour, also calling mossa ''pet pedocow'' as if it isn't incredibly disgusting what he did and people are allowed to feel disgusted and angry he's so popular. I hate entitled anons that get angry when the thread is used for its inteded purpose.

No. 2594580

>>2594575
You aren't posting new milk though, you're just seething about the same old milk over and over again. Nothing here is productive or will affect mossa at all no matter how angry you get, so at least let's have fun, i.e. new milk or other conversational topics.

No. 2594587

>>2594575
I mean the Holly and RacistUncle sperging stopped for the most part when they got their respective threads, it's par for the course and basic etiquette. It, like >>2594580 said, is barely even new milk either, how many times does everyone needs to hear about the Vicky Turner art my god some of you are worse than Kiwifags.

No. 2594593

>>2594580
>so at least let's have fun, i.e. new milk or other conversational topics
half this thread is seething about art fight and complaining about not getting likes on social media, posting that mossa finally got cancelled is milk and much more interesting than losers seething about better artists getting prettier free art and ugly gendie ocs for the 5242th time.

No. 2594602

>>2594580
Nta but
>old milk
That callout and him drawing a scene from a actual rape case is new milk since when is discussing updates about artcows not milk? And also why are you dead set on not discussing him because "it won't do good at all!" Duh retard you're on a gossip site

No. 2594605

>>2594602
You dont get it, talking about serious issues takes the attention away from her whiny posts complaining about retarded shit you can google.

No. 2594608

>>2594593
NTA
>half this thread is seething about art fight and complaining
Hmm, might be the same reason that's nearly full after less than a month, gee wonder what time it is.
>mossa finally got cancelled
You are naive. He is acting like every one of his ilk, he'll be back in a week or two.
>>2594602
Anon I've seen that art like at least five fucking times on this site in the past three years, it gets annoying after a certain point. It's also a six year old drawing iirc and he's drawn a lot more disgusting shit since but sure let's talk about the same drawing and have have the exact same reactions and conversations about it over and over until heat death.

No. 2594615

>>2594608
>Hmm, might be the same reason that's nearly full after less than a month, gee wonder what time it is.
I know, everytime its artfight retards clog this thread with the most retarded posts whining about things only a teenager would care about. They already got told they are not welcome by the trannies from the staff yet they go back just to seethe about the amount of tranny ocs in a tranny run website and the lack of good artist in a site thats mostly used by underage kiddies. At least mossa being cancelled and having to lock his account is funny, the artfight posts are always so whiny and useless. Considering how more interesting topics got their own thread, i dont know why artfight faggots dont make their own containment already.

No. 2594616

>>2594517
Anon, all this stressing out over engagement is only sensible at all if you're in it to make money. You said you don't do commissions anymore, so honestly, why do you even care who sees your stuff? You need to take a break from social media because you're operating on some absolute attention whore shit. You made friends, cool, reach out to them 1 on 1 and actually connect with them instead of continually wanting the validation of randoms. You're not "stuck in a fandom", you don't have to "play along." You need to find ways of boosting your confidence that doesn't require other people, or at least random fans. Show your work to your friends. If you just need likes, just post nudes or thirstraps, and you'll see it doesn't mean anything in the long run

No. 2594620

>>2594615
Idk about you guys but both the artfight salt and mossa posts belong here. Like that one nona said, it’s so annoying when other nonas start bitching at people posting art related salt and news in the…art salt general. What even is the point of this thread if you want to bitch at everything posted here. I’d rather have news about infamous cows posted in one place instead of it being spread across several threads I’m not going to bother waste my time visiting.
And it’s literally art fight month so it’s expected for nonas to post their petty bitching here. Personal art related thoughts and gossip is the reason why I visit these threads

No. 2594624

>>2594456
a bit unrelated to your vent but i also felt like this for a while, i kept changing my art style, chasing whatever was trendy, trying to make a persona and only got to like 30 likes on average after a whole year, i hated drawing for a while until i deleted social media and kept my drawings to myself
it was just like when i used to draw with friends and share our ocs, getting that feeling of actually enjoying drawing again felt great

No. 2594625

>>2594620
ayrt i agree which is why i dip out of these threads during artfight time, so i was happy the thread finnaly got bumped with interesting milk, but ofcourse whiny retards had to ruin it and complain about it. It's just annoying when anons complain about x topic being repetitive when the thread during artfight is the same petty bullshit about tranny ocs, ugly art and underage gendies with dnis on their bios. They dont hate ''repetitive topics'' they just hate when the thread is about things they dont care about because they are selfish.

No. 2594639

>>2594625
ntayr and i also liked the nsfw milk but sadly that thread is already made, i cant believe mods allowed a thread like that since half the milk was just reposts from here or the bad fetish art thread, the point of a thread on /snow/ was to milk active cows and talk about multiple ones if its a general but that thread is a month old and just has old milk and reposts, the only active cow seems to be mossa
wont take it to /meta/ because its more of a salty complaint rather than a "fuck jannies"
fuck the retards that keep insisting on this thread being used for like 2/3 things and only that tbh

No. 2594644

>>2594625
maybe the thinking was to spare nonnies from having to be exposed to disgusting/disturbing shit?

No. 2594648

>>2594644
why are you here then… it's spoilered too so just dont click under the spoiler. Some of you sound like children.

No. 2594651

>>2593781
Is this the guy that got mad at that shitpost meme about "history" artist?

No. 2594657

>>2594620
I also noticed people complaining about petty grievances. Like, lmao, where else are supposed to be petty assholes? Plus I like the discussions that spawn from it.

No. 2594691

>>2594651
Yes kek

No. 2594741

Sometimes I gotta appreciate the existence and popularity of strawpage. I love sending anonymous hate to dumb tifs and bitches i have vendettas against kek

No. 2594744

>>2594741
the tif I did this to started referencing what I sent in her vent art

No. 2594746

>>2594744
Kekk that’s funny, tifs in particular sure are obsessed with making vent art. I could never, it’s always so corny to me. Props to the ones who are brave enough to post that in public i guess

No. 2594753

>>2594741
And they're such attention whores they don't know what's basically rule #1 of the internet: Don't respond to hate

No. 2594755

>>2594741
in my side i love sending silly doodles of things they like to people that react to them on twitter. the concept of being in someone's mind at least for 1 minute when they're doodling on strawpage is nice.
>>2594615
>Considering how more interesting topics got their own thread, i dont know why artfight faggots dont make their own containment already.
why do we need more threads when one works just fine and why do we need a thread about a YEARLY event?

No. 2594760

>>2594753
Or actually I’d expect them to post about it and cry on their priv account kek. Most of them have one, i can only imagine what goes on in there. They probably wouldn’t want to post my personal hatred on their public accounts kek

No. 2594765

Does anyone know the name of a photographer that would take photos of young girls lost in the woods, tied up, and floating in the water like dead bodies? He came into discussion about male photographers whose work consists of 18-20 year old girls in their underwear. The models go through a series of photos that start innocent then become sinister later on. A lot of models who were in contact of him freaked out in the comments. It was a tiktok video talking about him. How many male photographers do this? It’s like 50s “photography clubs” that were a front for pornography. Men in creative fields are condescending and on top of that creeps. The ones who think they’re better are usually shit too. Sometimes it feels like in order to be in this line of work you have to be voyeuristic. I don't know if this topic belongs here. Still visual art

No. 2594795

>>2594765
Now i am curious. I remember when i was younger i loved the work of David Hamilton, i thought his photography was so soft and dreamy, then i found out he has rape acussations involving minors ugh. It's why i dont believe in the dystinction between erotic photography and porn, it's literally just a way for scrotes to pass their degeneracy as art, and ofcourse none of these coomer moids ever photograph the naked male body, it's only the body of young women.

No. 2594802

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>>2594765
they made a whole game about why you shouldn't trust these fuckwads.

No. 2594813

>>2594802
fucking kek

No. 2594815

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Not sure if this fits the scope of the thread but I thought this article was interesting and that nonnies would like it: https://femfederation.substack.com/p/an-argument-against-the-female-nude-40c

It's about how modern culture strips away the erotic and prurient intent behind the tradition of 'artistic nudes'. I think it's on topic given all the discussion about creepy male artists who hide behind 'artistry' as a fig leaf for their perversions.

No. 2594825

>>2594815
It's also a way to normalize child pornography. There are a lot of legal cp books because they are considered ''artistic''.

No. 2594827

>>2594501
>>2594503
>>2594527
>>2594529
>>2594541
>>2594616
>>2594624

late response but thanks nonnas for your candid responses, both harsh and kind. None of my friends seem to really help so I appreciate you guys taking time to tell it to me straight. I'll keep thinking about what to do about drawing and hopefully work up the courage to leave the social media fandom hellscape.

No. 2594848

>>2594827
I wish you the best, nona! I hope you don't fall out of love of drawing.

No. 2594856

>>2594765
>>2594795
Found the post. His name is Michael Donovan
>>2594802
He was mentioned in comments. I thought he was based off the guy in Hard Candy
>>2594815
Imagine what the new normal will be with all the rampant porn addictions?

No. 2594868

>>2594815
thank you for linking this, it was a good read and not really something i'd thought too deep into despite having the same surface feelings whenever i'd visit a museum

No. 2594877

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>>2594856
>Imagine what the new normal will be with all the rampant porn addictions?
you can already see it with doja cat, nikki minaj,sabrina carpenter,etc. What was playboy centerfold worthy a few years ago is now allowed to be in the cover of the rolling stones. It's interesting to see the evolution of the playboy cover, at first it was safe for work in all aspects, and mostly featured the bunny mascot in more artistic, cartoony compositions, as playboy started to normalize pornography the covers became more and more raunchy, the bunny mascot that was featured in all of the early 50s playboy covers was replazed with borderline naked women that in the first years were only reserved for the inside of the magazine. I wish we had more radfem video essayists(rip runawaysiren) i would love to see a comprehensive documentary on how pornography and the sexualization of women became normalized through the years.

No. 2594879

>>2594856
His photography si so tryhard and boring, i have seen 15yo tumblr girls take better aesthetic photos than that garbage. Can you link to the discussion? it sounds interesting.

No. 2594909

>>2594877
She looks like a robot. Everything about her feels superficial. I was more afraid of how violent and grotesque an evolution could be. Men are vulgar. That's why women naturally prefer being around other women. Like Bunny Yeager who was taking photos for playboy. Everything feels forced when it comes to men. Probably why Yeager's work felt different
>"They all wanted to model for me because they knew that I wouldn't take advantage of them," Yeager, now 83, said of her models. "And I wouldn't push them to do nude if they didn't want to do nudes. It wasn't a day when nude photography was prevalent."
>"When I look at her work, the women have a different demeanor," he said. "They are more confident. They are in charge of their sexuality, where if you look at someone else's work the women are much more dismissive and demure."

No. 2594910

>>2593808
>>2593810
i always found LD&R weird for how often it had Asian women and especially Asian women paired with white men

No. 2594912

>>2594909
Not gonna lie her work feels as gross as the men's work to me. There is a very good book called ''The Case Against the Sexual Revolution '' by a feminist author that talks about how the female sexual revolution only benefits men. It doesn't matter if the photographer is a woman, she's still exploiting women for the pleasure of men.

No. 2594930

>>2594912
I did want to add on it was still at the expense of women but I thought I was being too wordy. That's why I hate a lot of "sex work as empowerment" brainwash.
>>2594879
Jefferson is only one comment no one replied to
>>2594910
I wouldn't be surprised if Mielgo was inspired by creepyyeha who he follows on instagram. Her work mainly involves chokers, latex, and leather. Similar to the characters in the witness. I hate having to delete and repost every time I have a new realization. Most of Mielgo's art is based on women he slept with. Checked his account, he follows a few models and the asian ones are all Korean. He does have a lot of connections so he probably met and followed them online. I don't know if I am all over the place since the witness is set in Hong Kong, not Korea. Can't say for the other artists in LDR. I understand being uncomfortable because there are very few normal healthy white male asian female couples. The men are usually parasites and pedophiles. Every asian women encountering these guys know

No. 2594947

>>2593594
Yes. When children learn of the term lolcow from elsewhere such as YouTube callout drama essays the Google it and end up here, source: my little sister found this site when she was 14

No. 2594950

>>2594456
Record your process and post it to youtube. An audience that likes your art will find you.

No. 2594957

How many of you that actually draw use photo or live references? How often? I am doing a bootleg study for myself.

No. 2594958

>>2594947
But how many of these new kids actually will continue to frequent and even post in sites like 4chan and lolcow? Yes i know that a lot of kids know what 4chan is, greentext images often go viral but most probably don’t know how to navigate that site and I’ve seen comments on TikTok talking about how they found 4chan boring. It’ll probably be a short lived phase for newer zoomers when visiting these sites, they’ll all go back to playing fortnite and roblox and browse tiktok and twitter for the most part tbh

No. 2594970

>>2594957
I’d say 90% of the time unless I’m drawing something super simple and cartoony or sketching loosely. Usually I tweak a photos composition or make a collage of multiple so I have a very clear idea of what it is exactly I want to draw

No. 2594976

>>2594957
i regularly do photobashes before i do a final version. When it comes to reference i use all sorts of things from all over mix with my own photos, thats the part no one else but you needs to see.

No. 2594977

>>2594456
I absolutely know how you feel nona.
>started my digital art journey on social media again years ago, only drawing fanart
>it was mostly kpop then genshin
>i used hashtags and asked those daily/hourly character genshin twitter pages to rt my work, my art would perform pretty well
>most of my following are fandom people because of this, shocker
>but my main goal was always to create original content and characters
>when I thought I had a pretty good number of followers, I would post original art and it would flop horribly
>get embarrassed, stick to drawing fandom art again
>get influx of new followers
>become hopeful and think maybe this time people will care about my oc content
>post original work, it still flops
>cycle repeats again
>but also this time, try drawing art of other fandoms i don’t normally draw
>those also don’t really perform well because the fans of those fandoms don’t follow me
>slowly learn that fandom shitheads will simply not care about anything except for the fandom they followed you for, especially not original content
I became very bitter and hated my own followers for being so abrasive. Understand that these people probably don’t care about you as an artist nor your art, they just care about the famous series you draw and will consume any slop that draws for it. Those were very dark times kek, I definitely felt trapped and I couldn’t progress. I wanted to grow as an artist and drawing fandom slop forever seemed like hell, but as you said, it’s like nothing else will get your likes on socmed.
So here’s what I did. I just kept drawing oc content more and more, and I eventually stopped drawing fanart altogether. If you kept gaining followers when you drew fanart, then somewhere along the way, you should have at least made some artist mutuals that do like your art genuinely. Back in my fandom days, some surprising people followed me along my journey, they were somewhat famous to very famous artists. So yes, keep drawing oc content. Your average likes will decrease, and your follower count will also go down. That’s important to me, it feels good having fandom people fuck off from my account. I could not tell you how bad it felt when you have like 7k followers but only get less than 20 likes on non-fanart posts. It felt so inorganic, the following count definitely did not reflect the like count.
And recently I’ve been caring about when I post. I used to never care and would post late night or early early morning because my sleep schedule is fucked up, and I’d wonder why my posts kept flopping. So I decided to stick to posting in the afternoon. I live in America and I assume most of my followers are American, I try to post at a time where kids would be out from school in all timezones in my country. During this time, it’s late night for Europe and Asia is waking up. I think it works best for me, I don’t really want to try other times right now, but my art did have an increase in likes when I started caring about when to post.
A trick to test this is to rt a viral art post and see how many of your followers like it, so you don’t have to post anything. When I rt a viral art tweet in the early morning or late night, I’ll get no notifications or just 2 at most of my followers liking it. Meanwhile when I rt something during the afternoon or late afternoon, I remember like 11 of my followers will like it. It just shows how many of your followers are online at the moment, so this all depends on what region most of your followers are from, try to figure that out and start posting in the afternoon in their timezone. If you don’t know, you could try those third party apps that tell you which country they’re from on Twitter.
Anyway when I stopped drawing genshin, my followers on Instagram went from like 12k to 8k kek. And it still hasn’t really improved, ig is really dead to me for some reason. But I’ve been drawing oc content for about two years now so most of my followers on all social media are familiar with it, the ones that still stayed know that’s what I do now. Purging fandomheads by constantly drawing non fanart stuff is important. You will keep the followers that you need, the ones that will still like your content even if you change. And creating some sort of relationship with other artist mutuals is important too, especially any famous ones or ones that are rising stars. Try to like and rt their stuff often, people will remember you in their notifications. I sort of became close with this girl and always liked her art, left comments sometimes, and she had around 10k followers and now she has 21k.
Almost forgot to mention that it’s important your art is actually appealing and cute, especially if you have oc content, because I made sure my media tab was good looking before following other oc centered accounts. Pray that they follow you back, im pretty sure this was how I made a lot of mutuals. And that’s how I made my followers care about oc content and broke free from the fandom curse. I actually think that my popular mutuals liking my art helps boost me in the algorithm because your timeline likes showing art that people you follow like, so if they like your art, it exposes it to their followers too on their tl. I pay attention to who likes my art and I’ve seen giga popular artists like it, and when I check their profile I see that they’re mutuals with my mutual.
tldr:
>market yourself as an oc account and try to create mutuals with others
>be mindful of what time is best to post your art to maximize reach
This post is real long sorry, but I wanted to add one last thing.
>have a side account where I completely copy every account this artist is following and follow them all too so I can see what their timeline looks like, as in I will follow every 1k account on my side account that they’re following (I know, kinda weird it’s a long story, I was basically nosy)
>most of these accounts are other popular successful artists, industry professionals, etc
>when I visit another artist’s page, they usually have at least a couple followers I know following them
>even small artists with less than 1k followers too
>but when I checked my own page, there were ZERO people following me
That was honestly such a wake up call. I spent all those years collecting these followers from drawing kpop and genshin fanart, I thought I was on the right track but it was so disheartening to learn that zero “respectable” artists followed me. It was honestly embarrassing. Remember that this can be the following base you cultivate if you stay drawing fandom stuff forever.
I should’ve known earlier tbh, when I checked my likes and it was just filled with kpopfags and gachafags, and no “storyboard artist at Sony animations || she/her || [portfolio link] || please do not repost!” type of bios kek.

No. 2595015

>>2594957
I mostly draw directly from references while doing warm-ups and studies, and am a bit looser when actually sitting down to make a piece (depending on the complexity of poses or the environment etc– if there's a lot going on or I need to be specific, then I draw from reference more), as I want to see how far I can get with what I've learned. I mostly use random photos or clips from films/sport/whatever, but I also keep a mirror for expression references and if an action is very specific than I film or photograph myself or a friend doing it kek. It sounds goofy, but imo actually going through the motion of a pose or action can help you understand the anatomy of it all, and help all that study of muscles make more concrete sense.

On a more general study and practice note, I have done some life drawing classes, definitely recommend if you can find any in your area to take, especially if they're not 100% self-directed and have someone teaching to help you improve your technique and observational skills. Whenever I'm going to be sitting around for a while out in public (eg on train, at cafe, etc) I sketch people around me, and I try to go to places where I can sketch different animals such as zoos or aquariums when I can (though a park with dogs is also good and free), and I go hiking to find environmental stuff to sketch/paint. Basically, try to draw from life as much as you can, it's extremely helpful for all areas of art.

No. 2595099

Its so odd seeing anons consistently obsess over and seethe about numbers. It reminds me of the uncontrollable urge to social climb of female streamers. No love for creation, their peers or their audience, only concerned with maximizing obtaining validation. People can tell when you don't really give a shit and in turn, they don't give a shit about you either. Do you think you're being endearing and memorable when you post hastily redrawn memes, ships you have no passion for and fandoms you don't like? You think the mutuals you have can't tell how envious and bitter you are about their numbers? It's like human connection is some big chore so you have to make it into a transaction where they shill your content to their followers in exchange for "xhihfhesk" spam under their art. I've seen porn artists who make hololive and hoyoslop fanart and STILL get tens of thousands of likes on their oc content because they don't throw a bitch fit when the stuff everyone came for is what's popular. There's a difference in audience if OC is not what they frontrun, yet people still support it. Boohoo, the Arcane fans who followed for Arcane content didn't want to retweet your historical fiction ocs, what evil slop guzzling nitwits! And I thought "numbers on the screen" addiction was just a misogynistic dig at women who use social media. Depressing stuff. I hope you can enjoy art for yourselves again.

No. 2595105

>>2592483
I was never interested in these generic cutesy fgc artists and I think this pretty much summed it up. It's so obvious that they don't play the games when their art lacks any and all personality. Reminds me of shunao slop.
>>2593088
This OC was made for her loli incest fetish btw. She once lashed out at another artist calling her a whore amongst other insane accusations just because she was jealous of her success. Wanted to like her but the mental illness and fetish shit was too much. And of course the moids who orbited her were a bunch of gendie weirdos. So glad I jumped ship when I did.

No. 2595120

>>2594970
>>2594976
>>2595015
Thanks for the input, guys. I know a lot of artists that wonder why they never have any improvement yet are allergic to using references. I huff them like they're crack whenever I can, though AI results in search engines and photoshooped fashion drawings have made me resort to porn and sports as references for the human body.
> mostly draw directly from references while doing warm-ups and studies, and am a bit looser when actually sitting down to make a piece (depending on the complexity of poses or the environment etc– if there's a lot going on or I need to be specific, then I draw from reference more), as I want to see how far I can get with what I've learned. I mostly use random photos or clips from films/sport/whatever, but I also keep a mirror for expression references and if an action is very specific than I film or photograph myself or a friend doing it kek. It sounds goofy, but imo actually going through the motion of a pose or action can help you understand the anatomy of it all, and help all that study of muscles make more concrete sense.
This right here is a great explanation of how I utilize references. However, photobashing and adjusting photos is an interesting approach. I'm still open to more input.
The main motivation behind this is knowing a lot of people saynit's "cheating"

No. 2595128

>>2595099
I needed to hear this, honestly. I'm even screencapping it to look at it later whenever I feel like a number obsessed retard. Thank you.
Also I'm curious if my post in the Stupid Questions thread inspired this, kek.

No. 2595138

>>2595128
nta I wondered if it was the same person posting both kek

No. 2595223

>>2595128
Nah, I have never been to that thread. I just see schitzo rants about social media every single thread and as an artist who never posts online it is baffling to me. You guys never sat by the art kids with your notebook or binder trading oc lore? The idea of being so obsessed with numbers outside of having a literal show or comic you're pushing is alien to me so I apologize if I came across as rude. I want everyone to have the same joy of creation I do. There are millions who would LOVE to see your art and ocs, how do you think fandoms are made in the first place? Post because you love what you make.

No. 2595238

>>2595223
>I apologize if I came across as rude
No, nona. You NEED to be rude in situations like this. Coddling does not work. Reading your post woke me up because I needed someone to figuratively slap me and tell me I'm being a retard, and honestly? You should've said worse, kek. I'll work harder to get this validation retardation out of my head and remember why I draw in the first place. (For my husbando)

No. 2595316

Is it weird to have "permissions/boundaries" on artfight? There are some things I really don't like being done to my characters (ex. Genderbends, age changes or mass attacks where my character is 3 pixels tall) but it seems like a douchey move to police free art being given to me.

No. 2595344

Has anyone struggled with drawing on IPAD but managed to draw on other tablets like wacom? I never managed to pick up on drawing on the ipad even though I’m good at traditional drawing, it’s difficult to explain. However now I finally managed to fix my laptop and so I can maybe get a tablet specifically made for drawing - I never used one of those tablets. Is it a bad or good idea?? Should I try again with the ipad for the 300x time or give in and get an used (wacom, etc) tablet?

No. 2595361

>>2595344
you just have to accept it is not the same. Digital is its own medium with its own feel that you just have to practice.

Its like switching from oils to watercolors and wondering why does it feel weird. Your mileage in traditional doesn't mean you won't need to adjust to the new medium.

No. 2595363

>>2595344
I’m having trouble adjusting to my iPad too. I think I want to try one of those screen protectors that makes the texture a little rougher, I feel like the slippery glass is fucking with my muscle memory. I love my Wacom Intuos 5, idk if they make tablets as well these days but I’ve had my 5 for ages and it still works like new.

No. 2595369

>>2595344
Have you tried using a paperfeel screen protector?

No. 2595390

>>2595361
Yes, I know it’s not the same but it was surprising how long it took (and still takes) for me to adapt, and also I saw people complaining negatively and comparing procreate (which I use on the ipad) to other drawing apps that are exclusive to computers. So maybe its easier to adapt to other ways of digital drawing than the ipad.
>>2595363
Yeah I feel like that too. If you don’t mind me asking, why are you using the ipad and also the wacom?
>>2595369
Nope, have you? Did you like it? It’s a good idea

No. 2595396

>>2595390
>why are you using the iPad and also the Wacom?
I’ve had the same Intuos since 2013, been drawing with Wacoms since 2006. I bought the iPad this year because I fell out of love with digital art, I’ve never used a screen tablet either and I wanted to experiment. I don’t like drawing on the iPad as much as I thought I would but I think it’s just the learning curve that’s discouraging me.

No. 2595399

>>2595390
>Nope, have you? Did you like it? It’s a good idea
Yeah! It's definitely helped. I also felt really strange using iPad at first for art after years of using Wacom tablets, but the paperfeel protector was seriously a game changer. It doesn't even have to be the name brand one, I say "paperfeel" like how "Kleenex" refers to any kind of napkin.

No. 2595408

>>2595344
if paperfeel is the issue, xp pen released an artist focused tablet (however the matte texture does affect color quality/look). and if you want to get a samsung tablet for drawing, if you get a samsung tablet they have a removable panel cover called the notepaper screen panel, so it's easy to use it for drawing and then remove to see how the colors look without it. i got a samsung galaxy 9 FE to doodle and watch youtube on, i like using infinite painter. apple products have bonus of being able to use procreate which i hears is one of the best tablet drawing apps. i am an amateur artist and don't practice but it took me like a year to adjust to using the tablet.

No. 2595409

>>2595408
samefag, i don't use the notepaper screen panel for my samsung tablet because i adjusted, but i was considering getting it when i originally bought it.

No. 2595414

>>2595316
Idk, to me it's just the equivalent of saying "hey I don't like X food" when organizing a potluck. People are already looking at your OC's design and info when deciding to draw them or not, a boundary list just gives them more info to make same decision. You will probably get less art the more restrictions you have but at least the art you'll get will be better. I dunno your situation, but I have a butch lesbian OC gendies tend project their dumb gender ideas on, so I'm pretty strict about what how and with who she can be drawn with (too many have tried to ship her with their penis-having OCs, ugh) because I just know in my heart of hearts that I wouldn't be able to lie about liking gift art that mischaracterizes her too much kek

No. 2595445

>>2595396
Well, maybe it’s the learning curve discouraging me too. And also my ipad’s shitty battery which would take some hundred dollars to fix. Anyway thank you for the thoughtful reply!! I’ll try the paperlike screen thingy.

No. 2595459

>>2594977
I was also a fairly popular fandom artist that burned out. It's not worth it. Unless it's a story you are autistically attached to and wouldn't mind drawing fanart for it for your entire online life, don't brand yourself as a fandom artist. Not saying you can't draw the occasion fanart, but drawing fotm fanart or focusing all your effort on one thing just because you get thousands of likes and followers is not worth it at all. It was a relief dropping that fandom, losing followers, and focusing on original works

No. 2595479

>>2595459
do you have any advice on how to break out of this mindset?

No. 2595578

>>2595099
no i get it, it’s just soul crushing when the artwork you spent so much hours and passion on gets met with 10-20 likes at most on social media. and it’s even worse when you see others (especially ones who don’t even have that many followers, or less than you) get so much love and traction on theirs. like why is the account with 1k followers getting more likes and comments than me, the 9k followers account? people barely comment on my stuff and leave likes, this was due to the mistake of trying to draw for fandoms i ultimately don’t care about. i’m left with a husk of an account with 80% of my followers that don’t care about my art.
it’s not like i don’t like art. it’s my favorite thing in the whole world and it’s my entire life. i just wish i had a personal group of artist friends where we could geek out together with our art. and i know the feeling when your art finally receives the attention and recognition i’ve always sought for during the rare moments my art does perform well, it’s as amazing as i thought it would be and i always remember that feeling and will be chasing that high forever.
the fact that there’s artists out there who experience this feeling every time they post…to me, they’re some of the luckiest people in the world

No. 2595579

>>2594977
Just wanted to say I loved your post, read the whole thing. It resonated with me deeply. Especially the part where
>seeing the numbers go DOWN made me happy
>"Your average likes will decrease, and your follower count will also go down. That’s important to me, it feels good having fandom people fuck off from my account."

When I was younger I thought the only way to become popular was to make fanart. But it would betray who I really am- someone who wants to make her own series.

No. 2595586

>>2595578
maybe your personality sucks(bait)

No. 2595620

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>>2595579
Exactly nona, the change will be hard but if you keep going things will eventually change for the better.
I wanted to add that if you truly don’t have a decent or big sized followerbase, you can still keep drawing fanart just enough for you get a good “starting point” number. I’m not confident that this trick would work if you barely have any followers, because unfortunately it’s kinda impossible to start blowing up on social media like twitter as a new account unless you’re crazy lucky. And some of the followers you make while creating fanart are the type that will always stick and support you. At the very least, you should be seeing an increase in followers every year even if at a slow rate. Just keep going and you’ll get closer to a stage you want. It’s been kinda bleak for me for years but this year I’ve finally been closer to becoming the type of art page I want, I get more likes on my original content than I’ve gotten before!
I can’t deny that luck also has been a factor. I’ve made some nice artist mutuals along the years and kinda found a niche subgroup where my posts perform well I guess. So when you find yours, our next goal would be to break out of this niche.
Also I didn’t mention this but you can also try drawing famous artist’s ocs and tagging them, there’s so many who like rting those. Yes it can be clout chasy but it’s another way of exposure. You can delete all these drawings and low effort memes from your media tab once you start “making it” kek, I’ve cleared out my media tab so many times.
I wish you good luck nona, like I said this feeling can be very hopeless and bleak but you just need to keep drawing. You’ll be at different stages every year and you’ll slowly move further away from fandoms I promise

No. 2595660

>>2595099
>>2595459
>>2595620

Oop of social media post, but I'm glad to see that I'm not alone with all this, and thank you for all your advice and encouraging other nonnas as well. I know i'm a number obsessed retard but it's what i needed to hear since I know here is the only place where people won't sugarcoat it.
Part of it is also like, i live alone in a shitty foreign country in a shitty job and all my irl friends are overseas, so I'm online all the time surrounded by these autist art mutuals who i have no interest in socializing with and i really don't care about, but I don't have anyone else rn. When i'm hanging out with people irl it's like I don't care about social media or fandom anymore and it's a huge weight off my shoulders. I know once i get out of this situation it'll be a lot easier to finally step away and i want to live life in the real world and forget about all these annoying fandom people and the fake world on a screen. i don't give a fuck about them but they're all i have and so i get caught up in trying to keep up with them. I'm definitely jealous of all the attention they get on their fandom drawings but also the time they seem to have to draw and how much they're able to. I get like 2 hours a day to draw something start to finish if i'm lucky and dont have a shit ton of chores to do and sleep to catch up on, so i end up trying to draw things for validation because the rest of my life is so ass. What i really want to be doing is grinding skills, working hard on ambitious pieces for a long time, and just have someone say they like my art for its skill, not because fandom woman hot. I hate feeling like i have to to post every day like i see some of them do and be stuck in low tier fandom circles. What >>2594977 said about having respectable artists follow you was really eye opening because i realized I wanted to be in that kind of league and not wallowing around in small time fandom fame fishing for attention and comments from random scrote accounts. I just wish i had enough time to do that, this job is genuinely killing me.

No. 2595676

Is there a dad alternative that isn't filled with scrotes? I like the format of it and find maintaining the streak and gallery motivating but the autistic nitpicking and power-levelling on that site and within the small community fucks me off. I was thinking of just making a deviantart or something, but I was wondering if nonnies have any better ideas.

No. 2595694

>>2595676
There's a good amount of women on the site, I stick to them and ignore the scrotes. The culture can change if enough women join.

No. 2595701

>>2595676
>>2595694
first it was ic groomcord servers now its dad stop promoting scrote filled cesspits and then being surprised about finding moids there

No. 2595703

>>2595676
lmao I thought you meant Dutch Angel Dragons and I was so confused about why you'd consider that male-dominated

No. 2595704

>>2595676
Do you read the threads? because i've used dad before and i exist on my own bubble. The site doesnt have a follower count or like function for a reason. Sorry but some of you drown in a glass of water.

No. 2595706

>>2595676
I have a spreadsheet where I keep track of my daily hours and upload a collage of my days work to a private server every night, it works basically the same.

No. 2595773

>>2595704
I'll admit I'm paranoid but I just don't want to use a website filled with moids with too much free time. DAD hardly boasts a complex system, I'd rather use something else to fill the same function. I might just make my own private version at this point.

No. 2595778

>>2595706
nta but I'm gonna be like you from now on kek

No. 2595833

>>2595676
Stop caring about the userbase and use it for what it is functionally.

No. 2595899

one of the best feelings in art is stealing artwork and art styles from pedophile moids. keep stealing from these degen lolicons/pedos, they deserve no respect. i know nonas mentioned doing this. i’ve seen tweets of people talking about how they’re going to steal mossa’s art style so they can become the next mossa without the pedo crap. KEEP COPYING AND STEALING FROM PEDOS!!

No. 2595916

>>2595773
>I just don't want to use a website filled with moids with too much free time
thats 99% of the internet

No. 2595920

>>2595773
Dude why are you so scared of the moids? DAD is the chillest site I've ever been on.

No. 2595921

>>2595899
mossa’s artstyle if fugly anyway I would never want it as my own. I’m surprised at how many anons itt say it’s good

No. 2595923

>>2595773
Also the DAD code is intentionally open source. You can easily fork and upload it on your own server. People who complain about DAD are just too lazy to make one themselves.

No. 2595935

>>2595923
Ayrt, had no idea! This is exactly what I wanted! Thanks!

No. 2595951

>>2595921
I was never too big on it either but I can understand why it’s so popular, that and because he draws porn which automatically gives you more followers.
It’s unfortunate that a lot of pedos have art styles that I like, but hey at least I can copy them kek

No. 2595985

>>2593717
>>2593802
>>2593792
I genuinely don't know how any of you got through LD&R. It is one of the most objectifying series I have ever watched. I love robots and machines but this shit is nearly impossible to get through. My fave is stuck in a permanent grimace.

No. 2595994

>>2595985
kinda unrelated but i took LD%R from my watchlist once i found out some scrote watched one of the scenes as inspiration to mutilate a woman, knowing the author is a creepy moid convinced me to never watch that shit.

No. 2596064

>>2595899
I'm not sure this is good advice if only because a similar enough art style means the likelihood of gaining degen followers is much higher. If a person likes this loli artist and finds another artist with a very similar art style they may be more inclined to follow especially if the subject matter seems similar enough on the surface. It's something that I've noticed come up across all these threads, a nonny will complain about the people that follow her and they make an offhand comment about their influences and well . . .

No. 2596067

>>2595985
LD&R is an extremely mixed bag, some of it is good, most of it isn't. The objectification is pretty damn bad and people will defend it saying 'love' is part of the themes but it comes across as shallow and contrived. Ironically Mielgo's contributions were some of the only I liked so it's a shame he sucks as a person.

No. 2596094

>>2595899
My confession is that i often steam male designs and i genderbent them

No. 2596121

>>2593767
He wasn't trying to make her look like the witness girl when I looked into it. He said he was hired around 2015 as the only person working on concepts for spider verse. For he few months he was alone working on storyboards and designs. The one he posted is likely the first ever designs for her before being fleshed out. Still doesn't excuse how young she looks with the stripper heels and outfit. They liked his concepts and hired a full team. He got fired two years later by Sony for "technical and style discrepancies. He 100% repurposed Penni's design into the witness in 2018/2019 >>2593802 here

No. 2596126

File: 1752050265675.png (910.45 KB, 1280x720, Princess-Jellyfish-girls-only-…)

I am trying to steer away from anime same face and i would like to learn how to make fun and interesting designs like picrel or Monster. My problem is that i don't know where to get the inspiration, as dumb as that sound. I always end up making copies of already existing characters instead of making my own.

No. 2596138

>>2596126
Do you mean you have an issue with face designs or the clothing? I'm not good at faces either. If your issue is faces download Sims 4 (it's free now iirc) and download some basic maxis-match texture replacers and randomly generate character face templates, the game's art style is exaggerated enough that you can get really distinct looking faces and the texture replacers allow you to see past the game's base ugliness to see the face design. Use that as a starting point to adapt to your own art style.

No. 2596140

File: 1752050980238.jpg (82.18 KB, 686x386, hq720 (3).jpg)

>>2596126
learn from real faces and stylize them yourself instead of copying from other cartoonists

This book is really good, learn the structure so you can bend it and twist it how you like.

No. 2596147

File: 1752051279846.webp (21.62 KB, 640x439, ippos-mom-will-come-to-his-com…)

>>2596140
Thanks, i do that. That books is great. I meant i dont want to copy, i just want to come up with original designs. I dont feel comfortable stealing people's likeness to make a character.
>>2596138
With the faces. Whenever i come up with something in my head it's always derivative of something else. Yesterday i was drawing a character and when i finished i realized she looked exactly like a younger version of Ippo's mom, picrel. It's like i cannot imagine my own designs.

No. 2596154

>>2596147
Depending on how simplified your art style is it can be hard to make faces look distinct. Maybe focus on designing the parts of a face separately and then bringing them together. Like draw a bunch of different eye designs, a bunch of different eyebrow designs, different noses and mouth shapes and then experiment with copying and pasting all the elements onto a black face template.

You should also save more hair references to go back to, hair matters a lot.

No. 2596194

>>2596064
It doesn’t always necessarily mean the faces from pedomoid’s style I guess. It can be how they render skin, clothes, their linework, etc.
>they make an offhand comment about their influences and well . . .
Does this mean a nona would admit to being influenced by a pedo’s art style? Or a random commenter would say “hey, this style reminds me of [pedo]’s artwork!” and she would get exposed?

No. 2596196

>>2596094
Me too, nonna.Are they equally as skimpy?

No. 2596200

>>2596196
yes
>>2596064
This moid artist i used to really like growing up ditched his old, soulful style for a generic gacha anime style that's hideous so i am glad i can copy him without people making that assumption.

No. 2596206

>>2596200
I only really like styles from some classic artists , mid xxth century illustrators and 80s anime. Stuff were my inspirations will not get clocked because 99.9% of people only recognize current thing but also means no one cares because 99.9% of people only like current thing.

No. 2596214

>>2596206
I really like 20th century illustrators but i have given up on trying to imitate them since i dont have the skills or time to develop them.

No. 2596264

>>2596214
It's not as impossible as you think. Depending on the artist, there should be several methods to mimic their style. Drawing from reference of live references is probably the one style that you can grind out slowly and eventually reach.

No. 2596277

>>2595985
I'm split on it because of what I watched there's ones I incredibly hated but I liked that good hunting one although I hate how they seemed very sexualising of the female character.

No. 2596279

>>2596126
Don't base your reference point from anime or a stylised source. Reference it from real life then stylize it to fit your art. Study real faces to expand your reference bank.

No. 2596289

File: 1752068809336.jpeg (18.67 KB, 736x521, 8987321e-daee-4a44-a0cb-a982a6…)

Nonas who take commissions, how do you deal with people who send you gross porn, animal abuse and illegal content on your business email? Is there any restriction settings to prevent them from sending this stuff? I never done commissions but now I'm scared. I would literally faint if some sick fuck send me animal torture video

No. 2596302

Does online networking require socialization and if I have to socialize, do I have to fake my interest to get people to like me? People seem to love convos centered on them, don't know why, but that's how it goes in the circles I'm in.

No. 2596306

>>2596289
did that happen to someone recently?? for the most part, if you’re using paypal you don’t have to disclose your pp email anywhere. once someone actually commissions you via dms, that’s when you send your email in order to get paid. however if your pp email and business email happen to be the same then there’s not much you can do. if you get an email with a video or image attached to it don’t load it, most email domains are good at censoring unknown content until you allow the images to load. or hell it could end up in your junk folder first

No. 2596315

>>2596306
>did that happen to someone recently??
I think it does happen to artists sometimes? I was just watching fallenchungus documentary and he got csam sent on his proton email

No. 2596317

>>2596315
i don’t think this is a common occurrence. i’ve never seen an artist talk about getting sent malicious content in their email, or maybe they just don’t talk about it publicly. that guy is probably famous which naturally attracts more schizos to do that, so your average joe artist probably doesn’t have to worry about it

No. 2596321

>>2596317
It's funny when people think it's a common occurrence, so you get one weird nasty email that stands out kek

No. 2596332

>>2596289
I have never had that happen to me besides a client asking if I do animal dick? obviously no, but they were open enough to consider my boundaries thankfully.

No. 2596336

>>2596289
i've mostly gotten nigerian and indian scammers and obvious bots sending weird shit about NFTs.

No. 2596352

File: 1752073448262.jpg (42.23 KB, 697x577, RDT_20250502_13595077789434532…)

I've been getting angry while drawing lately, like full on moid-playing-league level, which doesn't sound very healthy. It'd be fine if I was putting out passionate masterpieces as a result, but it's just turds. I literally get worse and worse everyday.
Guess that guy who said you need to be in a perfectly calm state while drawing to make anything good was right, but thing is, I can be absolutely chill until I sit down to draw. I draw something hideous, like actually kindergartener level, erase, try again, same result, repeat and that's how rage builds.
I'm not a beginner at all, I've been drawing for years (including seriously, with studies and all) that's why it's so upsetting. I should be above prebeg scribbles with no confidence or sense of form, but I'm not. And I'm not getting any better, even though I draw every day. It hasn't been like this before.
This is art block, right? What do you do with this? I feel like the obvious answer is "take a break", but I'm afraid that'll put me back even more.

No. 2596387

>>2596302
>Does online networking require socialization
Yes.
>if I have to socialize, do I have to fake my interest to get people to like me
Yes.

No. 2596393

>>2596352
Try doing master studies with the artists that inspired you most when you first started.

No. 2596409

>>2596352
Do something else. Play with mediums you've never used before, use a stick and mud to draw, make something out of cheap clay, make a collage. Give your mind a break from drawing for a bit.

No. 2596419

>>2596409
Seconding this. It does wonders for the mind.

No. 2596502

File: 1752083700791.png (12.19 KB, 599x398, ref.png)

>>2596126
nonna im a cartoonist so its slightly different, but i make a chart of a bunch of features. im too autistic to come up with them on the spot when designing a character, but having the chart helps me keep things unique. obviously picrel is a very simplified version of what i do. It would probably even work if you just write down words, like Eyes: Large, Small, Upturned, Downturned, Face: Skinny, Long, Chubby, Round ETC. Just knowing my options kinda helps for some reason. And obviously results from the chart are just like, a starting place.

No. 2596610

>>2595935
let me know when you make it! I want to join a female based DAD.

No. 2596743

File: 1752096245643.png (251.53 KB, 576x894, surely i cant be the only one …)

Seeing this one artist that clearly traces the 3D models in CSP get attention is driving me to want to alog. Not going to, but god it's tempting. I have her blocked but my mutuals seem to love this shit still.

No. 2596747

>>2596743
You're jealous of… 44 notes?
>traces the 3D models in CSP
Why is this an issue for you?

No. 2596763

File: 1752097705038.webp (27.11 KB, 337x434, 50337638_p0_master1200.webp)

>>2596743
You are very funny or you need help kek

No. 2596789

>>2596743
>>2596770
NTA
I mean sure you can vent your salt but we can also comment on it and say it's stupid kek. Tracing 3D models on Clip Studio is the least of all art offenses, the models are there for exactly that. It's like being angry that someone is using stamp brushes.

No. 2596806

File: 1752100173387.png (56.22 KB, 1862x228, Screenshot.png)

>>2596800
nta but her post was this. what is up with these interaction obsessed dumbasses these days? i just scrolled through that artist's account too and nearly all of her art is sub 50 notes. i can't imagine blowing blood vessels over shit like this. these people seriously need to reevaluate why they make art.

No. 2596813

>>2596806
Sorry for deleting I wanted to add something w/o samefagging Just as I thought, I feel like when you're in your viciously jealous phase (which you should grow out of after the age of seventeen imo but w/e) you shouldn't have a social media account at all and funnel that energy into making your art better because otherwise you sit around seething over autist tifs.

No. 2596831

>>2595694
A lot of them are histrionic pickmes who participate in drama so it turned me off to posting.

No. 2596855

>>2596387
But how? Do I have to lie about playing DnD a ton not to seem like a loser?

No. 2596932

>>2596502
So basically like a picrew kek?
I’ve actually thought about making a picrew to generate different types of side characters. And you could make different picrew for specific body types too, so they can be divided into categories. Because if you tried putting all these different body types and face shapes in one picrew, the random button would create a lot of weird Frankenstein results

No. 2596940

File: 1752109486557.gif (576.7 KB, 480x360, 1000016629.gif)

I had a real conversation with some old ass coworker who insists digital art isn't real art because "the computer does all the work" and you "cant apply it to real world applications" comparing me to our other coworker that could use the airbrush and her daughter that oil-paints.

No. 2596976

>>2596940
can't believe that argument is still being made. You'd think with ai that they would be able to differentiate the two. Even traditional art people would come up to me and say I'm only good from my art supplies, either paint or a pen

No. 2597131

what's up with the incel tag on artfight? shouldn't misogyny be banned?

No. 2597150

>>2597131
That would be like saying people shouldn’t be allowed to upload their villain characters because murder is wrong. We already had this conversation…

No. 2597157

>>2597131
Silly nonny incels only hurt women and trannies only care when moid's feefees are hurt.

No. 2597160

>>2597157
I reported most of them anyways

No. 2597195

>>2597160
It’s not against the rules to make incel characters.

No. 2597197

>>2597160
Brigading and cowtipping isn't suddenly okay just because this is /ot/. If you're going to run around reporting people, don't brag about it here.

No. 2597198

>>2596940
Pull up MS Paint on his computer and tell him to make a masterpiece for you, then. If it's so easy, he should be able to do it.

No. 2597200

>>2596743
I think you need to take a nap or drink a glass of water or something

No. 2597203

>>2597198
It's always funny to then come back at these people and mention that signing things digitally is hard, yet some people can draw just fine with tablets.

No. 2597204

File: 1752129209768.png (1.34 MB, 1280x989, EMFjurikSwmdxmy7Mh0CWutZVZjIkt…)

I just found a fucking TRANNY SKELETON on Artfight

https://artfight.net/character/7400161.mort

"Resurrected by an evil wizard 10 years after her untimely death, Mort has decided to live the way she never got to. Every night, Mort lovingly records the events of her day in her diary; grocery trips, visits to the local tree nursery, bubble baths, her plant purchase of the day. To an outsider, her life may look boring, but to Mort, simple comforts are more than she could ever ask for."

Yes, because being a woman = bubble baths, grocery store trips, and teehee plant collecting!! (50 bucks it's succulents)

No. 2597205

>>2597197
i wasn't intending to do either to them tho, i'm not directly interacting

No. 2597207

>>2597204
lmao it's called mort like the jewish stereotype character from family guy

No. 2597208

>>2597207
Mort just means death in French I think that's why the troon skeleton is named like this.

No. 2597209

>>2597197
Brigading and cowtipping because they boasted about using the report function

No. 2597211

>>2597200
You're right. I was not very hydrated when I made that post. I regret it.

No. 2597218

>>2597131
It should. I heard from a mod that misogyny isn't allowed on Artfight, and it should continue to be reported.

No. 2597224

>>2597218
nta I wonder; does mentioning reporting (didn't feel like bragging necessarily) something count as brigading? I don't think it counts as cowtipping per se, but I never bothered with this kind of stuff in the past.

No. 2597225

>>2597218
Are villians allowed?

No. 2597228

>>2597224
No, I'm just clarifying that incel characters a mod said that misogyny isn't allowed on Artfight. So if you run across incel characters that mention that shit, then report them. (Plus I'm sick of looking at fucking "4chan tuff guy school shooter" characters, the idiots who made them never set foot in /b/ once.)

No. 2597229

>>2597224
it isn't personally identifiable or direct interaction

No. 2597230

>>2597228
*I'm just clarifying that a mod said that misogyny isn't allowed on Artfight.
Sorry I can't type t onite, bren dyink(learn2delete and repost)

No. 2597233

>>2597204
it looks like a wannarexic avoiding proana allegations by just putting those outfits on a literal skeleton as the logical conclusion lmao
edit: well tbh just the right outfit with the socks, the other two are baggy and don't show off the physique

No. 2597238

>>2597228
Repeating this

That would be like saying people shouldn’t be allowed to upload their villain characters because murder is wrong.

This is such a non-issue

No. 2597245

>>2597224
It's literally a call to action which would deem it as such. Not Your Personal Army is a phrase for a reason. Also you retards shouldn't be saying you're reporting identifiable people because reports aren't anonymous and AF mods lurk. Denser than fucking sand bags I swear.

No. 2597246

>>2597245
ayrt Dude chill; I'm just asking if that counts as such for future reference. I appreciate the answer though. Full moons are a motherfucker on peoples' tolerance kek

No. 2597247

>>2597238
Tbh unless it's going out of the way to glorify it I don't really see what's the issue in making pathetic antagonistic characters unless they're specifically trying to play it safe due to people involved having trauma or there's incels not wanting to be fetishized/insulted.

No. 2597249

>>2597246
>spoiler
Kek but no I'm frustrated that nonnies got banned for less and no-one seems to have learnt the lesson.

No. 2597250

File: 1752131946744.jpg (25.95 KB, 1419x197, Capture.JPG)

>>2597245
Picrel. And it's "not your personal army, faggot", get it right.

No. 2597252

>>2597224
>>2597245
How the fuck is a single person reporting a brigade or an attempt at one? There's no fucking call to action, the anon who was bitching about it didn't even encourage other users to report

No. 2597253

>>2597250
The rules are for the users, not the characters. Your character being a bad person doesn’t make you a bad person. Are you suggesting we get rid of all villain characters on the site?

No. 2597255

>>2597252
>>2597250
And this is why I'm wondering how specific the rules are here kek Aside from mentioning that reports on Artfight aren't anonymous, I was genuinely curious what would make anons mad about. Especially since it was in reference to a genre of character but not a specific user. Akin to the whole Mossa thing.
>>2597253
nta I was thinking the same thing. How far can you get with an extremely racist character (like a human version of Frieza from DBZ using the same "monkey" slur), while having a clean profile?

No. 2597257

>>2597250
It's still a call to action even if justified in your eyes, if anons said they wanted to report all the 4channers obviously griefing it'd be the same.
>>2597252
>"I heard from a mod that misogyny isn't allowed on Artfight, and it should continue to be reported."
>in a conversation about wanting to report incel OCs
I hate those OCs myself, but trying to encourage doing so will get anons and random people banned. Artfight mods are also slimey weasels so you can't expect them to do anything good or not be hypocrites.

No. 2597260

>>2597245
no one linked a profile to report, or ever suggested anyone do such a thing

No. 2597265

>>2597255
pretty sure those characters would go against the spirit of artfight rules, no?

No. 2597274

>>2597260
Right. You look up the incel tag and refresh a bunch of times. I'll do the same and let's compare how many of the same characters and profiles we get.

No. 2597276

>>2597274
brigading by definition requires you to have an identified target lol. you'd be surprised how many there are.

No. 2597279

>>2597257
If you or any anon here is afraid of getting banned while using artfight then cut your losses and stop using it.
And if you're so afraid of one triggered person announcing shit about artfight that can possibly get you and other people in trouble then you shouldn't be discussing this shit in the first place here. People have already discussed covert ways to show you are gc there's already enough reason for some random lurker to start whining to mods to ban people.

No. 2597285

>>2597279
So you think it's easier to comb through 1.4 million users for subtle gc dog whistles than searching for an influx of similar reports on similar or the same character profiles and users?
>If you or any anon here is afraid of getting banned while using artfight then cut your losses and stop using it.
This doesn't impact me at all because I don't use it outside of dummy accounts for personal cow milk. I just want anons to stop being stupid.
>>2597276
There really isn't.

No. 2597286

>>2597218
>>2597224
>>2597228
Nonas, for the last time incel characters are allowed on af. There’s no rule that disbars them, what’s not allowed are country ball characters, characters based off nazis, etc. Did any of you actually read the rules?
When they say misogyny isn’t allowed, they’re talking about not being a ~bigot~, which includes the usual transphobia racism homophobia brigade. And if you actually looked at these incel characters being uploaded, they’re pretty much just the product of a girl’s wet dream fantasy of her ideal nerd type lmao. Barely any of them have the balls to actually create a character who hates women because it would be too problematic for them to write about.
This is so fucking stupid I don’t even know why we’re arguing about it, maybe you’re just baiting and im too retarded to realize. If you want to ban people for misogyny then why not try reporting the accounts of the several /ic/ moids who’ve openly been sharing their profile links in their thread lol.

No. 2597287

>nooo dont report people that draw stuff that goes against the site's rules
sounds like someone has an incel oc and is afraid of being banned

No. 2597289

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>>2597286
this one's photo is literally him choking a woman

No. 2597292

File: 1752136534752.png (2.85 KB, 448x57, 77777.png)

with these tags

No. 2597293

>>2597292
Kek, there's way more labelled school shooter ocs on there than there are incel ones. Stop pretending the mods give a shit when they have a diaper fetishist account linked on the home page and only ban obvious fetish accounts if they're annoying in the server.

No. 2597295

>>2597289
This should stop literally Nobody from doing the same with an OC that kills men then kek

No. 2597296

>>2597285
What influx of similar reports? There was only one person that said she reported. Once again there is no brigade

No. 2597297

>>2597289
There’s no rule against people being choked out on af either. Again, im sure most incel ocs on af are just ~pretty boi~ nerd types who play video games and are porn addicted. If you want to start suggesting to change and add these types of rules, then by all means message a mod to see if they can pass it on to the team, but reporting accounts and characters for rules that don’t exist isn’t going to be successful

No. 2597300

>>2597289
This is so obviously traced, look at the shitty hands lol

No. 2597301

>>2597296
Am I speaking in runes? My point has been pretty fucking consistent. There's no point in continuing clearly, I hope every nonnie has a good day.

No. 2597303

>>2597300
the linked pinterest had negative xp on it, so she probably traced from that if i had to guess

No. 2597311

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>>2597289
has anyone noticed some characters are from an entire franchise or an existing person. The Incel tag has criminals/murderers disguised as ocs. This is literally Richard Ramirez. The Incel tag is for the tcc community loosely creating characters based off criminals

No. 2597334

A lot of…whatever this is just feels like nonnies wanting to get revenge on the tifs that reported them the year before. Incel ocs are retarded but this is just spiteful and clearly isn't going to get anywhere since its obvious the mods don't give a shit. There's literal 4chan scrotes running amok while linking their profiles in their own dedicated ic thread and the mods but don't give a fuck about that. Why would they care about some tiffany drawing her school shooter nerd fantasy?

No. 2597338

>>2597334
>just feels like nonnies wanting to get revenge on the tifs that reported them the year before
ngl, it really does. I don't have any malice myself since I didn't participate in whatever tag was used. But I get it kek
>>2597311
>has anyone noticed some characters are from an entire franchise or an existing person
Yep! I have a favorite character nobody wants to draw so I fixed up some details and made them into an OC. The ones that are directly lifted are… odd. I don't know how that passes the rules.

No. 2597342

>>2597311
It might be obvious, but there’s still a gray area. This artist made his hair longer and more ~luscious~ so it’s not a complete copy. If she ever would get accused of making a character based off Richard she could just play it off by claiming it’s a man who happens to look like him and that it wasn’t her intention at all. I saw someone have an oc that was very obviously a rip off of a genshin design leak, but what can you do, there’s no rules against that. They permit canon characters as long as you altered their appearance enough I think, and that they obviously have a different name.

No. 2597349

>>2597342
>>2597338
it's crazy because I saw fluttershy's head superimposed on an anthropomorphic body

No. 2597350

>>2597334
To me it feels more like a zoomer newfag

No. 2597490

>>2596393
>>2596409
Thank you anons, got some modeling clay, will try and start sculpting for the moment. Hopefully that'll help me get out of art block eventually.

No. 2597499

How do nsfw artists protect their identities if they plan to make money off of it?
I've always preferred to draw horny shit and am thinking of making a separate account and see where it takes me. If I were eventually going to open a Patreon or something how do I stay safe from doxxing since I also have a normie career? I've never even tried to make money from my normal art even though I've had offers. I haven't monetized my sfw art because I know I'd hate to do normal commissions, if I get to draw twink ass for money it's fun though.

No. 2597527

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Am i insane or does this art have fetishy vibes? I always thought this guys art was based on some weird fetish he had, i don't even know if he is still active.(context?)

No. 2597535

>>2597499
The secret is that most NSFW artists do it full time so they don't have anything to lose in the real world. You could try crypto though maybe

No. 2597543

my salt as an artist is that I have a passing interest in yuri that comes and goes and I'd like to draw it more but I fucking hate moids and especially trannies gravitating towards me so bad. seriously how do you himejoshis deal with this? its literally impossible to escape the trannies and the idea of them looking at my work through their lesbian fetish eyes makes me want to puke

No. 2597569

>>2597527
i dunno but that video is based on is animal abuse and is cringe people still find it so funny.

No. 2597577

>>2597543
I literally never think about the people looking at my art. If one of them tags/comments something gross or inappropriate, block them.

No. 2597588

>>2597543
I've found that drawing butch women and characters from non-japanese media tends to attract trannies and men way less than femme/femme weeb shit, but other than that I can only recommend not looking at any comments or likes after you post. i feel like that's good for mental health as an artist in general.
please don't let men discourage you though Nonna, we're in dire need of female-driven lesbian content, telling you as an SSA woman who follows every lesbian artist she can find.

No. 2597593

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>>2597577
Youre right tbh
>>2597588
Yeah this was what I was wondering. Now that i think about it the "lesbians" i follow that mostly draw yuri often give one of the characters a dick in the nsfw art so thats probably why they have so many trannies interacting. I dont know why I didnt make this association earlier kek. It seems they dont really care if you just draw two regular women with vaginas. And yeah I use ublock to remove most of the interactions on my social media which helps a lot with ignoring annoying people, highly recommend

No. 2597603

Honestly kinda jealous of AF nonas who are getting many shitty attacks. I've been attacked once, and I'm barely getting revenges now. And then I'll see characters with no effort profiles getting plenty of attacks, like ok then.

No. 2597610

>>2597603
I'd draw for you if I could find you nonnie….

No. 2597671

>>2597603
Its usually their friends doing that

No. 2598091

>>2597603
i have such a insane ratio for no reason, like 20/80, my art isnt shitty but certainly not amazing. idk how i got so many people attacking me, i have irls attack me of course but its mostly randoms. i cant tell if its just luck or what

No. 2598166

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>>2598091
>>2597603
I don't know about other nonas, but I like to attack people with art that is kinda bad. Not sayinf that's the case for you two but upthread or previous thread, nonas mentioned liking drawing for children. It might explain why some people get a lot of attacks.

No. 2598329

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>>2598166
AYRT, good point!! i attack children 90% of the time, most people ive revenged seemed to be kids too. i could see alot of my attacks coming from kids hoping ill revenge them after seeing my art on some other kids page or something!

No. 2598347

>>2598329
Yeah! But, uh,
>i attack children 90% of the time, most people ive revenged seemed to be kids too
is the funniest shit to read out of context kek

No. 2598570

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>>2597334
I’ve had my account for literal ages. I just hate misogyny.

No. 2598598

>>2598570
>ages
>that date
Yeah thanks for confirming you’re an actual newfag/baiting

No. 2598622

>>2598598
the account was made prior to the banwave of last year, i think nonna was trying to show that she wasn't affected by the ban wave

No. 2598748

I kind of like having a small follower count. With the account I made being new, I know that whoever follows me is either a bot or a person who is still alive and somewhat paying attention. My older accounts have a lot of followers but they're all inactive accounts. Numbers feel pointless.

No. 2598751

>>2598622
NTA but saying you've had a barely two year old account for ages is very funny and tickling me pink.

No. 2598759

>>2598598
nta but you are very annoying, i dont know why it bothers you so much unless you have cringe incel ocs

No. 2598792

>>2598759
I don’t have incel ocs and think they’re cringe and made by men-obsessed pickmes. It’s just that nona gives off huge newfag vibes by unironically claiming incel ocs are against af rules, which is the…”no misogyny” part. She’s either baiting or being serious, nothing will come out of trying to report these characters because it’s not against the rules, you’re just gonna waste everyone’s time, the mods and yours

No. 2598807

>>2598792
I didn’t see it that way. I saw it as her saying that it’s hypocritical to create characters that embodies off an ideology that hates women (and I understand that from a technical standpoint, the term incel means involuntarily celibate and itself isn’t hateful, though the term has been popularized into any man that is a misogynist/hates women, etc.) it’s hypocritical for posters to get banned for solely making ocs even though it was harmless just because they came from a site that had terfs. I think it’s also irritating that 4channers are allowed to have their ocs and link it, /ic/ scrotes specifically, because there’s way more rampant bullshit there. It is misogyny, even if you don’t think so. If anons can get banned for making characters from a site that “had TERFs on it”, why can’t people get banned for making characters based off a genuine hateful rhetoric against women? Reports have said that incel forums posts pedophilia/rape content every 30 minutes. I understand that most of the people who make it probably doesn’t believe in said rhetoric, but I think that poster was simply pointing out the fact that if specific groups of posters gets banned, shouldn’t that apply to those who makes content based off that? I’m not going to report them, but I do think that’s fair criticism against the creators.

No. 2598822

>>2598807
>why can’t people get banned for making characters based off a genuine hateful rhetoric against women?
goodness gracious stop being dense, like that other nona said if we follow this logic then we’d basically be campaigning for the removal of every character who is a villain and has unfavorable flaws

No. 2598823

>>2598792
>incel OCs
I think the only time I'd make one is to put them under duress or a character arc where he stops being a incel, which I can't say for real ones frankly.

No. 2598828

>>2598822
NTA but they are the ones that made the rules >>2597250 i dont know why some of you are acting obtuse and like these characters dont break AF retarded snowflake rules

No. 2598851

>>2598828
>>2598807
Even if you throw away the argument that the line is hard to draw, you guys keep assuming the mods will do their jobs. It's not an opinion it is a fact that they don't care. Otherwise we wouldn't have justifiable reports being left open since 2018. They do the bare minimum to save face and even retarded Tumblr and Toyhous.e users understand that and are frustrated by it. Why is this a hard concept to grasp?

No. 2598872

>>2597204
If it weren't for the trans stuff, this would've been cute.

No. 2598886

>>2598828
It’s about THE USERS THEMSELVES being misogynist not characters jfc we’ve been through this a million times already

No. 2598900

>>2598886
It says content(implying the characters) and behaviour. Some of you are weirdly angry at anons pointing out the hypocrisy of the tranny handmaiden site.

No. 2598917

>>2598807
>because they came from a site that had terfs.
if you're on lolcow you probably don't like trannies or are otherwise okay with seeing tranny hate, why are you trying to act like a victim kek. there's also a difference between doing something and just exploring something in fiction, you'd have an argument if you made a terf character and THAT got banned. but even then, art fight is a privately owned website, you can't tell them what to do or what not to do and anything they do on their site that they finance and maintain is fair.

No. 2598923

>>2597250
>discriminatory content and behavior
Nonas, it's both. You are not allowed to have this shit on there at all. If you have a villain OC, you're not supposed to write things beyond "is a bigot" kek
I don't know why it is frequently argued that you would have to nuke all villains when you aren't supposed to be hyperspecific about this stuff. Writing the killer character's exact manefesto is theoretically not allowed if it goes against any of the listed rules. Theoretically. The mods act differently than from they write, so it likely isn't enforced.

No. 2598971

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Nonnies, who are some female artists that you used to follow/admire that trooned out? After trooning, did you feel like their art style, effort, or output, and overall quality diminished? Why do you feel like the online art community is so rife with pooners? Here’s some of the stunning and brave pronoun-ciations that bothered me the most.
>katzun, a YouTube story time grifter during the period of theodd1isout and jaidenanimations who trooned out in 2020, made a side channel dedicated to grooming kids into titchops erm I mean queer education, and then dtfo’ed off the platform.
>chipflake, another YouTube story time grifter who teeter tottered between being a themlet and fakeboi before fully transitioning around 2021, probably the only troodood here ergo she passes as the mucinex mascot like most britbong moids. Currently active.
>tennelleflowers, a warriors YouTuber who pooned out around 2020 (noticing a trend here?) and got rid of her old mascot character, made an hour long video essay about Sora from Kingdom Hearts being gay and regularly spergs about and makes fanart about soriku (this woman is like 30 btw), art has noticeably declined since her ascension to the pronoun princess throne.

I know expecting furfags not to be trannies is like expecting turds not to be shit but these women had massive success with the YouTube algorithm through lazy trendhopping with mediocre art and garnered massive fan bases of kids while being gnc women, they could’ve set a really good example for young gnc girls and female artist representation in general (before animation memes, the YouTube animation community was basically just newgrounds scrotes infusing porn addiction and violence into children’s properties), but now they’re setting the example that if you are creative and a woman you have to chop your tits off. Yaaaaaaaaay.

No. 2598972

>>2593877
I understand how and why but I still feel shocked, how and why could you hate women this much? Just disgusting, I pray Megalia or other SK feminist groups catch wind of this. He should be made to suffer.

No. 2598979

>>259
Nayrt but still wrapping my head around the fact that people went to AF just be angry that it's ran like AF. Like no shit the tranny website who bans women for wrongthink doesn't give a fuck about misogyny.

No. 2598980

>>2598971
Only one I can think of is nowacking tbh

No. 2599277

>>2598917
How am I acting like a victim for pointing out the fact that posters got banned simply for coming from a site though? I pointed out that users came from 4chan, where a lot of racism and whatnot is involved, so the same things would apply. You’re not allowed to have any kind of content that’s like that, not just the characters. I never even got banned on art fight, I’m simply stating the fact that there is some kind of hypocrisy. I don’t know why you are so mad about this. It’s simple criticism. Either you don’t want any “problematic” users/content at all, or you’re fine with them. Not every lolcow user hates trannies, some of them are tifs themselves who like to lurk or PC artists who simply wants to use stuff against other artists, we’ve all seen this before. Not once have I said “it’s not fair”, I simply said it’s hypocritical.

No. 2599301

>>2598971
Won't give any specific examples because they all have small enough followings to make me identifiable, but I've seen this happen too much. I follow a lot of webcomics and I don't think any of them have survived the artist trooning out. They always get canceled outright or put on infinite hiatus, it sucks ass when the story was actually interesting.
>>2599277
NTA but I'm pretty sure her point is that having morally bad characters =/= the user themself being morally bad and it's pretty clear that the spirit of the law (since so many nonas here are reading shit too literally instead of looking at what the Art Fight mods actually act on) is that users cannot be transphobic/misogynist/etc and that there's no such restriction on the OCs themselves. It's not hypocritical for Art Fight to allow dumb incel OCs to exist while also banning you for being a farmer. The only thing that's hypocritical here is the mods not banning known /ic/ moids when 4chan is infamously misogynistic imo.

No. 2599366

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>draw fanart of my husbando and showed it in fandom spaces, much to a positive reception
>show it to my moid "friend" to ask for opinions aka if the drawing looks iffy or not
>he gets mad because i "feminized" the totally straight self insert chad protag that gets all the girls (even though he wears a maid dress as one of his alt outfits in a side game)
my fault for asking a moid but KEEEK imagine feeling emasculated by a drawing of a boy in a maid uniform

No. 2599599

>>2599277
you're obviously whining about this because you find it unfair, don't lie
>4channers
report them. go to the discord server and dm a mod and state your case kek. as it is now they probably aren't actually aware

No. 2599612

>>2599599
So criticism means whining now? This is an art salt thread, is it not? I wasn’t even the original anon who started all of that, I’m just adding to her points because you’re the one who’s getting upset at any criticism towards your precious site.

No. 2599640

>>2598971
One of my favorite artists de-pooned and ironically her art quality nosedived and became, for the lack of better words, total coomer slop. Its more likely that by embracing being a normal submissive heterosexual woman she went mask off and embraced internalized misogyny in its entirety.

No. 2599689

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>>2599640
I could instantly tell that you're talking about constellor/navimoons

No. 2599695

>>2598828
>>2598900
Go ahead and report these incel ocs then, don’t get surprised when the mods end up not giving a fuck because it’s not against their site’s rules

No. 2599717

Someone really just needs to dm a site mod and ask if incel ocs are allowed. Remember that incel means celibate, not always woman hating. A lot of these incel ocs nonas are complaining about would probably get banned for reasons other than the incel tag actually, so it’s a case by case basis, such as the ones based off real life school shooters and serial killers, and maybe the ones who have images of choking women? Bottom line is is that you probably can’t ban every single incel oc out there because incel does NOT automatically mean misogyny, so if you really cared, report the individual characters who truly break rules.
And someone should really notify a mod of all the 4channers participating. This honestly should’ve been done last year too

No. 2599724

>>2599689
Do you have examples of her art before? I think this is cute, even if very bland.

No. 2599726

>>2599724
Nta but she's been talked about here before in the last thread

No. 2599755

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>>2599724
This was her art five years ago. She's been talked about itt for several years.
>>2598971
>Katzun
Uh uh uh anon, you can't just lamely say she tit chopped and DFE when the reason she did was because she had a Soren-esque spaz where she claimed to be a Native American whose skin was forcefully bleached as a child and was assaulted by a large number of people. Give anons some context kek

No. 2599839

>>2599695
They deleted a couple of them, actually. So reporting does work. They removed the image of the woman being choked

No. 2599912

>>2599755
>Give anons some context kek
nta Holy shit I have som reading material ahead of me tonight KEK
>>2599717
>Someone really just needs to dm a site mod and ask if incel ocs are allowed.
I'm gonna go the proxy route and ask a friend of a friend of a friend's friend to get an acquaintance's friend to bring it to mod attention. If the lolcow tag got nuked, then it could happen to anyone, all things considered.

No. 2599918

Instagram artists making snarky posts about their haters is really cringey, even when I like their art

No. 2599969

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>>2599912
Unfortunately only Kiwifags documented this to any real degree but if you can withstand male autism it's not the worst thread to peruse

No. 2599974

>>2599969
the funniest thing is that skin bleaching isn't even a permanent thing, you have to continuously bleach for the results to stay kek

No. 2600001

>>2595935
yes finally i can draw my obscure stuff in peace now! if you're still in this thread can you share any updates on project so far?

No. 2600002

>>2599912
You could just make an alt on a fresh ip and anonymous email, same effect less effort.

No. 2600054

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>>2598971
Are there any artists you guys suspect of being crypto? JesterPepita gives me that vibe.
>no pronouns in any of her social media bios
>regularly refers to her characters as "female" or "male" and lists their sexes in their lore introduction instead of their pronouns.
>no mention of trans or pride related topics on her socials at all
>a lot of her female characters appear to be gnc, even if unintentional. picrel

No. 2600055

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No. 2600065

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>>2598971
for me, it's anatola howard/maroonraccoon. i used to really like her for being a genuinely talented lesbian cartoonist who openly drew lesbian relationships (most of whom were gnc/butch), then she trooned out and is now some he/him type. her art is technically still good, but now she's focused most of her output on this trite "two gay little animals" comics. picrel is her older art.

No. 2600133

>>2600065
>trite "two gay little animals" comic
It was a kind of cute idea as a one or two off but it's becoming a OJST strip and I have no idea why people find it appealing besides the obvious point of gendie artists tending to be more retarded on average than most

No. 2600139

>>2600054
>regularly refers to her characters as "female" or "male" and lists their sexes in their lore introduction instead of their pronouns
Nta but a lot of artists do that? But giving fictional characters pronouns was the dumbest thing ever invented in art community

No. 2600147

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>>2598971
ten years of difference kek
author isn't a tranny currently but is 100% going down the pooner line

No. 2600170

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Has anyone ever tried to find people to form a doujin circle in the west? i like to code and draw and i've always dreamed of having a circle with other women to make cute games. I know eastern doujin circles by women used to exist(rip alfagame) so i wonder if it's possible to find non tranny women interested in making a small indie studio. Alternatively how do you find people to collab with? i can do the coding and the art but i cannot compose music and i am shit at writing, is it possible to find people online to collab? i am a poorfag from a third world country so i can't offer them payment, which i understand if it's a deal breaker.

No. 2600174

>>2600170
nonnie i'd be down for writing if something kicks off.

No. 2600178

>>2600065
i like the gay animals' designs, but they really show anatola as the spicy straight she is. an actual gay person would never make something as embarrassing as the gay animals animation. also, while she says you can gender them however you want, it's clear that she genders the fox as a male and the bunny as a tif. so a typical straight couple. the designs are cool but the content itself is something that would only be enjoyed by other straights larping as gay.

No. 2600179

Would I get cancelled for drawing gnc men or am I being retardly paranoid? Like, I'm scared someone might complain that men shouldn't be dressed like that and they all have to be stoic roidpigs in suits or leather jackets.

No. 2600183

>>2600179
girl no one cares just do it

No. 2600185

>>2600179
teenage girls have been doing this for decades and you're asking a literally who image board for permission?

No. 2600186

>>2596743
>44 notes
topkek

No. 2600190

>>2600179
you are more likely to get cancelled if you draw straight white people

No. 2600194

>>2600054
Why is making a female character gnc supposed to be a crypto/terf thing? If anything, I thought it would be the opposite since troons loooove ~masc~/gnc female characters, they’re only a few steps away from being actual aidens.

No. 2600200

>>2600194
Seriously? All I see are gendies sexing up their female characters to the max and making them as hyperfeminine as possible. You still can’t go anywhere without seeing some tif drawing a girl in a crop top and low rise jeans with a whale tail. Troons don’t care about gnc women. They’d just refer to them as trans men or say shit like “transitioning would’ve saved him” instead of referring to them as female

No. 2600206

>>2600200
Nta but I have noticed this too and then the caption says "THIS CHARACTER'S PRONOUNS ARE HE/HIM" like okay lul. Magic misogyny protection spell is he/him pronouns.

No. 2600341

File: 1752330466228.jpg (Spoiler Image,1.77 MB, 1077x2782, Screenshot_20250712_092718_Fir…)

>>2600170
>Doujin Circle
I always wondered what that is. I can only draw though. Might look into this myself.
>>2600179
Nobody would give a shit, but be weary of TIFs trying to "he's totally like me fr" your characters. I have a few gnc male characters that get tagged as such despite me hating the term with all my soul.
>>2600206
I wonder who you could be refering to hmmmmm

No. 2600378

>>2600065
KARKAT??
>>2600341
Nta but i was thinking about her too kek, that anon might be referencing Brujo Ari. Puppychan recently liked a photo of a baby posted by a sick pedo troon on his nsfw account btw

No. 2600391

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>>2600378
>KARKAT
nta FUCK LMAO I can't unsee it.
>Puppychan recently liked a photo of a baby posted by a sick pedo troon on his nsfw account btw
ayrt not even fucking surprised. She did have some sort of weird regression kink. Not sure if she's still into that.
On the brief topic of Puppychan, am I the only one that thinks her art has improved? It's still furry stank but her grip on anatomy is getting better whenever I glance at her gallery. I can't stand what she draws (excessive body fat), but props to her for exploring that field. I could've sworn she was either tracing or skinwalking another artist but now I have my doubts.

No. 2600400

>>2600391
Her art falls apart when you look at what's under all of the filters she uses. It also looks shit when you look at it closely. Her lineart is blurry and sloppy too

No. 2600406

File: 1752332269878.png (1.06 MB, 943x702, random shit i grabbed off the …)

>>2600400
ayrt Not quite. I'm more focused on anatomy. Things like lineart quality are moot in current era since everyone is insisting that everyone draws at insanely high resolutions and ignore line quality. I don't play Arknights but this was official art apparently.

No. 2600413

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>>2600391
When i first saw this art i thought Hitch was wearing buruma/Japanese sports uniform and thinking that Puppychan was trying to skinwalk Japanese moid artists and imitate their fetishes
>She did have some sort of weird regression kink. Not sure if she's still into that
She was in some private profic discord and someone leaked her diaperfur art. NSFL warning

No. 2600421

>>2600054
I suspect her of being a crypto but not in the straight up radfem sense, more a normier "that gendie stuff is pretty dumb" and being annoyed by gendies. I remember her scolding some gendies in a comment section for asking if she was trans because she had short hair and telling them it was stupid/sexist to assume short hair is related to gender. I think she's just more "high art" (I don't know how else to put it) about her work, more mature and less terminally online so she's not engaged at all with that kind of online queer LARP/discourse stuff. I wonder if her being russian might also play a part.
I think Magna Galina is similar, but with a dash of 4chan use.

No. 2600428

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>>2600413
Didn't know it was so recent that it featured Salem. Christ. Artists can't have anything. If someone is talented or shows promise there is a 97.23% chance they're hiding some sort of horrible demons. A deal with the devil. I know I signed my soul away to enter this trade but holy shit how can people live with themselves sometimes.

No. 2600430

>>2600428
>talented or shows promise
>puppychan

No. 2600435

>>2600430
Nona. You can see past your reasonable and justified hate to see that she did improve eerily fast. I guarantee you, if her art style wasn't on a trooned out autistic cow, it'd be praised on here.

No. 2600448

>>2600378
>Puppychan recently liked a photo of a baby posted by a sick pedo troon on his nsfw account btw
what the actual fuck do you have caps?

No. 2600455

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>>2600448
It's very recent, posted like 2 days ago in her thread. Those 2 screenshots got reposted in mtf thread. TTD can't come soon enough

No. 2600459

>>2600455
i hope she eats a blueberry soon, fucking sick this is the same bitch who was coercing her little cousin into drawing porn

No. 2600460

>>2600455
Someone needs to make a puppychan thread, seems like her reedemtion didnt last long.

No. 2600463

>>2600460
nta I'm trying not to discuss her too much here lest a mod directs us back to the NSFW artist thread like with Mossa kek. But yeah, I could have SWORN she had a thread. I'm surprised she didn't. Probably because all of her shit came up while she was a minor.

No. 2600464

>>2600463
>>2600460
She has a thread on kf with over 1000 pages, this is where I got this screenshot in the first place

No. 2600465

>>2600464
nta but kiwifarms suck you have to scroll through 10 pages of moids saying unfunny jokes before you get to the milk

No. 2600467

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>>2600406
nta and same. Who cares about her lineart when you can just compare the lovingly rendered fat rolls to the way she scribbles shoes. Reminds me of picrel kek

No. 2600470

>>2600455
>why do you not want to make a bluesky?
>the people on bluesky:

No. 2600486

>>2600470
I don't get why anyone would want to be on social media at all in current year tbh

No. 2600491

>>2600486
I think everybody hates it at this point, social media hasnt been fun for me personally since like 2019

No. 2600495

>>2600467
>your picrel
ayrt KEK
>>2600465
nta Honestly that's why I stopped checking her thread; I was tired of seeing a ton of nodraws try to insist that her art was shit and they knew why. Looking at the Puppychan redraw thread made me take a lot of the art critique less seriously. I mean, it's genuine pointing out what's wrong with it, but there were too often times where the critiques reek of personal hatred. Her old art isn't better than current, but she is a genuinely evil person.

No. 2600516

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>>2600495
Nta but I agree! Her art is not good by any means but way above her twitter era skill level. It seems like being the poster child of art regression got to her and now she hides her mistakes behind rendermaxxing. I don't visit her thread that often because she says the exact same shit over and over about how queer twans woman are constantly in danger

No. 2600566

>>2600054
I often see artists with no pronouns in bio and get my hopes up that they’re crypto, but then they post something that proves otherwise. Sigh.

No. 2600637

>>2600170
I’d love to be part of something like that

No. 2600674

>>2600566
It sucks so much. I can’t even trust the female symbol anymore because I come across them defending trannies and drawing that stuff.

No. 2600682

>>2600170
The only time I see western doujin circles is in specific fandoms like Touhou
Been trying amongst friends to make a doujin game but it's a quick way to ruin friendships kek
Lots of idea guy faggotry even amongst those who can do things like draw or code
It'd be fun to make one with motivated people though

No. 2600701

>>2600179
The only people you are going to piss off are fanboy moids who are super attached to their personal favorite male power fantasy glorbo.
All of their rage ends up doing nothing, because the majority of people aren’t invested in that character the same way. If there’s nothing “problematic” about it otherwise, no one is going to have a reason to rally against you. It’s hardly justifiable for a cancellation even if they were.
It’s like coloring Sonic’s arms blue. Speds like Chris chan will have an autism moment over “character inconsistencies”, but no one else will gaf.

No. 2600776

>>2600701
I don't do fanart? or at least, "fanart". I don't consider drawing fotm art for clicks fanart imo since you're obviously not a fan of said character. Anyway, a lot of people a weird with that kek. Draw someone the wrong way and the autist brigade breaks down the door demanding you undo it, over pixels?

No. 2601036

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>>2600495
>I was tired of seeing a ton of nodraws try to insist that her art was shit and they knew why.
I've noticed pretty much all of KF's artcow threads have this problem. For every 1 good critique or redline, there's a shitton of circlejerking nitpicks. It's directly proportional to their post count too, thread regulars who constantly redline or redraw the cow's art are almost guaranteed to be beg-tier while better artists only show up every once in a while to take potshots. Probably because they have their own projects and don't have time to nitpick puppychan's thousandth sexed up obese he/him bimbo bunny kek. Frankman64's resident drawfag is especially pathetic imo. Frank doesn't even make his own art, which is funny by itself because he wants to become a famous mangaka, but it means that his thread's drawfag essentially got asspats for bothering to do the bare minimum the cow wouldn't. He even shat up the thread more by designing OCs for the thread regulars based off their pfps, picrel is only one of many of these images. Between that and people spamming the n word (because KF moids can't help but constantly repeat themselves when a cow is black), I had to stop watching his thread despite him being a very funny wholesome cow. Other artcow threads are bearable if I ignore them for a couple of months and just skim over the dumb nonmilk, especially for gems like that one slacktivism picture puppychan made of her oc in a skimpy bikini with the pan-africa flag colors tearing up a confederate flag kekkk

No. 2601059

>>2601036
Jesus christ those legs are fucked up. Poor Pepe with his thigh tumour.
Agree with everything you said wrt KF artcow threads. Normal threads are exhausting enough but add in autistic art sperging and story/world building rewrites that goes on for several pages and it's just the worst.

No. 2601111

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>>2601036
The only actually talented kiwi artfag I've seen is Umami's Milk. I think some tif who wrote fanfiction about 17 years old Leon Kennedy and 40 years old teacher somehow managed to find his real twitter after he made a redraw of her ugly art

No. 2601113

>>2598971
Personal cow trooned out. Her husband was much older than her when I met her and they had a daughter already. She did furry art but it was cute, like animal crossing cute. However the rot was already there. She proudly told me she loved m/m mpreg pairings but understood that not everyone liked that.
Fandom was different back then but it still creeped me out she dropped that into a conversation with no hesitation. Fast forward and she’s divorced, her daughter is older now in HS (she’s been homeschooled all her life) and her (the mom’s) brain broke from covid. She decided she’s a man and somehow her daughter is also gnc/trans. Both are on T. It’s an emotional incestual relationship. I feel bad for the daughter since I watched both of them from afar and now they’re both pooner artists and the mom (sorry “dad”) is always an anxious wreck about covid still and protecting trans kids. Her art hasn’t changed much but she stopped talking about mpreg as often and focuses on trans issues now.

No. 2601151

>>2600566
>>2600674
I feel called out because I have no pronouns and female symbol in my bio, but I occasionally virtue signal so I won't get clocked and cancelled, kek. If it's not constantly TWAW preaching it might be to fall under the radar.

No. 2601166

>>2600674
Not to mention the transbians who use the interlocking female symbols

No. 2601239

>>2601151
Haha, on the flipside nona I have pronouns in my bios but I dont RT or post about trans stuff ever. I'd rather just remove them but I dislike being they/themd. Would I really be clocked super fast if I just said "girl" in my bio or something?

No. 2601267

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>>2600455
Not surprising the FlailMorpho pedo looks exactly how you expect, Disgusting waste of oxygen. he honestly shouldn't be allowed to reproduce when he looks like this. I really hope his ugly ass joins the 41%. Someone check his hard drive or something ffs.

No. 2601355

>>2600170
i guess i could join but i'm still a newfag at writing so idk lol

No. 2601465

i am constantly wishing i would get more crypto followers on social media. i have to be super careful about seeming remotely crypto because i have a ton of trans mutuals of both flavors but every time i get a new follower i get disappointed it doesn't seem to be someone crypto. like other nonas i have a female symbol in bio and i never repost anything related to trans shit and even with my own characters i never state pronouns, i only use male/female symbols. still, i hate how overrun art circles are with this shit. i just want to find some cool normies or even women who lean rf to talk shop with. it's so lonely having to play pretend all the time with people who repost shit about wanting any dissenters (like me) dead.

No. 2601468

>>2601465
genuine question why bother

No. 2601498

>>2597204
Funny enough in romanian his name is the masculine for dead

No. 2601552

>>2601465
This is an absolute mood. I'm in a fandom that hates trannies a LOT but over time they managed to seep in somehow. They're everywhere sadly. I know there is a dogwhistle for this but I couldn't think up what it is that's gentle enough not to set off overtuned radars.
>>2600566
I don't have pronouns in my bio but I still huff the early tumblr feminine gnc male character gas, so I end up being seen as safe to some trannies. Also god forbid you draw Sylveon once; they'll come crawling out of the woodworks.

No. 2601665

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It's so embarrassing when I comment on a mutual or fellow artists post and they barely interact with me or acknowledge my existence. It's even more embarrassing when they're from the same country as me and it stings when I see the same mutuals and fellow artists interact and acknowledge another artist who's also from the same country as I am. All I want is for my peers to see me and my art.

No. 2601744

>>2601468
it's lonely out here and people want to speak to people. but honestly i got booted from my writing circle for being revealed as a terf (and not being willing to apologize, kowtow, go back on the views they dug so desperately to find) and i regret even being crypto in the first place. all that time wasted on nothing kek

No. 2601761

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i was in a few discords with different groups of artists, most of them working professionaly.

In the last couple years all of those have gone bust, most people just quitted. The one girl who invited me to one group and was most active there with her art is now a v-tuber, abandoned her art patreon and only draws coomer thumbnails of her vtube OC every now and then.

This is how it must feel to live through the crack epidemic wrecking your neighborhood. ITs all the effect of AI, you can even read the timeline still from the first posts of "i don't think its a big deal" "lol, the hands are so shitty" "please sign this petition" to then suddenly the entire discord becoming a ghost town.

Whats even the point, the only active communities are based around furry fetish art and wokieposting.

No. 2601762

>>2601552
I might die if troons see one of my OCs as trans when that defeats the whole purpose of their character? There's enough hyperfemme sex pots, we don't need anymore.

No. 2601769

>>2601762
I have two OCs that could be read as trans by the media illiterate. I’m thankful no one follows me who cares about their lore for this reason alone, it would be hard to remain crypto under those circumstances

No. 2601774

>>2601761
>What's even the point
I like doing it tbh. Thar's what keeps me going. Disabled and retarded, it's all I have. If I become useless, is it really that much of a surprise? kek

No. 2601784

>>2601761
I draw because I don't see other artists drawing what I like to see. And if does exist, it's always poorly executed or cringe imo. Getting good is just part of process than my main goal.

No. 2601785

>>2601761
No one draws the things i want so i have no choice but to get good and make it myself

No. 2601787

>>2601761
It's just very lonely and demotivating to be an artist online nowadays unless you're into troon OCs, furry or coomer stuff. Many of the good artists I followed on tumblr took their art offline and others haven't updated in a year or more. I only draw for myself and don't post my art anywhere anymore and it's honestly a lot more uplifting once you get over the initial loneliness.

No. 2601792

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Anyone subscribed to Porforever? A friend of mine showed me their brushes and I WANT them.

No. 2601799

>>2601792
damn i feel really stupid for studying flower drawings for years now. i was under the assumption that other artists were actually hand-drawing their own backgrounds for stuff like this.

No. 2601809

>>2601792
soulless

No. 2601811

>>2601799
Hand drawing things like flowers is a flex though

No. 2601814

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>>2600170
>a doujin circle in the west
I've never wanted something more.. I can offer art and code, let us join forces nonnie-sama please

No. 2601815

>>2601814
Why did the guy from Off push over Elsie Pepe?

No. 2601819

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>>2601792
I'm not, but there's some of her brushes at Kemono!
https://kemono.su/gumroad/user/3840503303460
It doesn't even scratch the surface, but it's better than nothing. Maybe someone uploaded more elsewhere, but that's the only place I know for leaks.

No. 2601823

>>2601815
Common misunderstanding, she actually slipped over a stray milk puddle and landed in front of the batter when he was on a mcd's run

No. 2601826

>>2600170
>>2600174
>>2600637
>>2600682
>>2601355
>>2601814
Just make a thread on /m/ and start with something simple, lolcow boardtans. Put restrictions or a timelimit. Something to stop the blank canvas effect. Be the change you want to see.
And dont go do something faggy like a discord

No. 2601828

>>2601665
I get it. For all the attentionwhore aversion baked into my brain, I still want people to talk to about my art because humans crave society

No. 2601837

>>2601809
Work smarter, not harder. Plus if you pay for them I think it's justified. These aren't the ones I'm after, but just a sample of the ones being made.
>>2601811
I'm more interested in the bg effects that are more recent brushes but seems I can't get them.
>>2601819
That was the first place I checked! Damn. The recent brushes are really good, but it seems they're associated with lolis. I'd pay for the brushes personally but I don't want that art anywhere near me kek

No. 2601851

I hate feeling like a coomer in non-coomer communities but oddly prudish in coomer ones. There's not a single art space I know that feels in the middle and normal? No going in on coomer fetish bait but no wanton bans on any semblance of human sexuality.

No. 2601857

>>2601761
I believe the covid bubble did worse damage than AI. There was so much work in all fields of art and entertainment during covid, people were so bored and so willing to spend, and a lot of artists didn't keep in mind how unrealistic this would be long term.

No. 2601872

>>2598971
Amy right meow, I liked her story time videos when I was younger. I think she goes by Andy? And now has a weird frog voice. Lost interest as soon as she rebranded

No. 2601916

>>2596352
You need to lay off this perfectionist mindset first and learn to enjoy doing art again, even if you make pure shit. You’re now in a learning curve, you're learning how to be patient and calm while drawing, you need to power through this stage of drawing with a smile, forget about your skill level or whatever years you had been learning how to draw and just draw all the bad out, with no erasing, you're going to need to see your progress again in every sketch you make for the time being, you can obviously do it and do better. Stop doubting yourself, but also stop expecting too much. There are ups and downs in all types of skills; this is normal, and it will pass.

No. 2601927

>>2601851
Stupid question but what's the difference between fetish bait and human sexuality?

No. 2601962

>>2601814
hell id join, would love to make some niche doujins

No. 2601970

>>2601927
Latter is just normal vanilla sex. Maybe mild pin-up art with normal or ideal proportions? Now think of that, but then go beyond the expected standard and you get fetishbait?

No. 2601990

>>2601552
>I'm in a fandom that hates trannies a LOT
Sounds awesome, what fandom?

No. 2602010

>>2601927
Fetishists get off on situations, not people they're attracted to. They use people/characters as props to imprint these situations onto before moving onto the next target for their next quick fix. It's fear of intimacy and a sign of late stage porn brainrot.

No. 2602025

>>2602010
>It's fear of intimacy and a sign of late stage porn brainrot
Weird fetishes also correlate with trauma and/or autism so this makes sense (obviously not in every case but there's a huge overlap)

No. 2602027

>>2602010
Is there a correlation with fetish artist calling themselves asexual while also drawing porn of their niche fetishes and kinks? Wouldn't that contradict the fact they feel no sexual attraction? Then again, autism is the usual culprit but I've heard or seen people claim other reasons behind getting off on porn whilst lacking any interest in real sex.

No. 2602037

>>2601927
fetish bait is things that are not inherently sexual at all, yet are being forced into being somehow sexualized and pornographic, like feet, spongebob or 9/11

No. 2602046

>>2602037
>9/11
>sexual
>never forget!
>NO NOT LIKE THAT!
>KEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
i imagine heated fandom wars over which is uke/seme the plane or the towers kekk

No. 2602048

>>2602027
When you're at the point when you can only get off to loli furry shitting dick nipples, it might be difficult to find the idea of intimacy with another human being very exciting, hence "asexuality".

No. 2602052

>>2602027
I feel like the majority of asexual people are just socially maladjusted late bloomers, who cope with receiving little to no sexual attention in real life by getting super into fetish content. Probably in part because they spend so much time online with other socially maladjusted people so it’s normalized.
To some degree the large amount of fetish and sexual content in furries is because the fursona acts as an avatar that the artist can use to safely explore fetishes and sexual content without having to insert their real selves into the situation. Probably because in more normal media they cannot distance themselves from the content, they’re instead self-inserting in what they see on screen. The fursona gives them enough distance that they don’t do that by default. This is assuming they’re not just straight up into bestiality and paraphilias clustering is not an adequate explanation.

No. 2602054

>>2601267
The "goddess of lust" in question looking like peter griffin with a mop on his head. The male ego is just insane lmao

No. 2602082

>>2601851
I am weird because i like lewd but not straight up porn. So neither LADS nor nukani(using examples of extremes) fulfil me. Which is in a way a good inspiration for working towards making my own game thats lewd but not nsfw.

No. 2602085

>>2602082
There's actual porn in LADS?

No. 2602087

>>2602085
No, sorry i am sleepy. I was using extremes, using lads as an example of something too ''prudish'' and nukani as just porn. I know lads got kinda lewd lately but none of the outfits feel particularly lewd imo, it's just shirtless guys.

No. 2602115

>>2601744
>all that time wasted on nothing kek

My point exactly

No. 2602157

>>2601819
If all else fails im pretty sure porforever releases the brushes for free on gumroad after one year or two. That's how I got a lot of them and I hope it's still the case. I haven't checked in a while because I'm scared kek

No. 2602330

What exactly is a doujin circle?

No. 2602331

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No. 2602336

>>2602330
I'm assuming you can use the internet, but maybe I'm wrong ergo copy and paste "doujin" into the search bar and press enter and then make the neural connections yourself! This is good for you.

No. 2602345

>>2602336
nta but you’re being unhelpful and obnoxious, you could’ve just answered the question

No. 2602363

>>2602330
A group of artists that self publish books/art (doujinshi) and usually sell them at events

>>2602361

There's really no need to continue being an asshole

No. 2602367

kek they're still deleting their replies

No. 2602377

New thread >>>/ot/2577801

No. 2602383

>>2602052
this describes the one asexual woman i knew. We were friends for years, i know she clearly lusted after real people and was obsessed with yuri on ice fanfiction. That woman was incredibly sexually frustated but she had arrested development issues and honestly was not very physically attractive at all. We all knew the the asexual thing was kind of a cop out for all her shortcomings when it came to socialization and romance but she was to nice for anyone to want to antagonize her bringing it up, she clearly had some baggage from experiencing rejection.



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