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No. 2577801

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Discuss art and related topics such as:
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-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
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Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn
https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon
op artist: Evgenia Antipova
Useful youtube channels:
https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454
https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2
>where to find art
https://www.wikiart.org/es
https://artvee.com/
>other useful sites
https://film-grab.com/
https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing
https://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheel
https://freephotomuscle.com/
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND. also check e-hentai and bilibili

Frequently Asked Questions
>Where can I download brushes and CSP assets?
Resources such as /dbag/ are easy to find online.
>How do I schedule my art?
Professional artist's schedules are easy to find online, however these may be unsustainable long term and it might be better to use them for references for you to build your own rather than attempting to follow them to a T.
>Is drawing furry or porn profitable? Will it give me clout?
It can be, but the market is incredibly saturated and coomers and furries already have artists they want to commission. You will be competing against thousands of people, consider what makes you stand out and if you really want to sink time and effort into something you may not enjoy even a little.
>Questions regarding AI
Both the AI thread in /m/ or the AI Debate thread might be more suitable.
>What is this style called/who is this artist?
Use reverse image search (yandex, tineye, etc.) or the Help Me Find thread.
>What are your thoughts on…?
Look through older artist salts or give context.

No. 2577837

>>2577801
beautiful OP pic

No. 2577841

>>>/ot/2577696
/m/ has a thread created specifically for posting our art. I would venture to say only about 5 or so of us post there.

No. 2577844

Someone on art fight just told me they usually don’t care for female characters but they liked my ocs kek, the nerve of self hating misogynists. Or at least im 80% sure this user is a woman too

No. 2577846

>images have been broken on artfight for like 3 days now
At this point I’m thinking it’s an inside job

No. 2577847

>>2577844
They arent real anon they are just characters, chill.

No. 2577851

Pardon me for asking, but are all of you really participating in Artfight? Didn't a bunch of people here get banned and their accounts deleted for simply being found out as LC users last year? That automatically made Artfight a no-no for me.

No. 2577852

>>2577847
Nta but read the post again sure they aren't living characters but it was a snide comment at nonas ocs,what's with the ic and cow wks lately? Can you not consume anything without projecting yourself onto it and feeling offended about it?

No. 2577859

>>2577851
It only happened because of some self hating troon snitch that tattletaled on tumblr. Who knows if that gendie is still lurking here, I did suggest that nonas figure out a new tag to identify themselves with earlier before the event started but nothing happened
>>2577852
Yeah that person probably thought it was a flattering compliment but personally I wouldn’t really appreciate some self hating misogynist complimenting me like that. Kinda wish I could tell her to fuck off kek

No. 2577860

>>2577841
Two threads actually, and one of them is filled with more artists than the other. Add on nonas I saw with my own eyes during last year's Art Fight attempt I'm going to guesstimate that there's at least thirty different artists whom consistently draw which is probably not dissimilar to the amount of people who use this thread weekly pre-summer.

No. 2577862

>>2577841
I think more nonnies would post if being associated with LC wasn't a social detriment. Maybe in actuality it's not that bad but people can be paranoid.

No. 2577867

>>2577851
The incident put a really bad taste in my mouth ngl. I'm in a sewing mood and would love to make one or two small plushes for AF but I don't want to make any for gendies so I probably won't do it this year

No. 2577944

>>2577862
kirdede chan posts her art here and on twitter and hasnt gotten cancelled, paranoid anons probably dont draw anyways

No. 2578078

>>2577846
Oh it's gotta be. My schizoid take is that the mods are stalking these threads and found out some (2) nonas are early prepping by drawing pics ahead of time, so they just "oopsie daisied" the images suspiciously close to the opening time of Artfight.
If that is the case then kek. Dumbasses have no idea how YCHs work, and that we can just set shit up early anyway. (it is not the case)
>>2577851
Yes. I wasn't part of the ban wave since my paranoid wouldn't let me connect my online identity to the site anyway. I just want to draw people free shit without them thinking I'm open for requests.
>>2577860
>pre-summer
Where have all the nonas gone… (BETTING the brujo containment thread kek)
>>2577862
Better paranoid than careless, I guess. I was thinking about making a cow OC but I don't know if they'd automatically hone in on it because of how recently it'd be posted. I mainly use this imageboard to talk to semi-normie women, since I already get involved with so many fucking gendies on a regular basis. The fact that I don't wanna be is considered a crime is insane.
>>2577944
I draw, and I'm paranoid!

No. 2578118

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>looking for tutorial on art topic
>Mr. Beast editing style
worst part is when it has useful info

No. 2578119

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what the fuck is this shit

No. 2578134

>>2578118
Post it

No. 2578150

>>2577867
Make one for me please

No. 2578162

>>2577846
Only some of the images are broken for me, and even then I can click on the broken ones and see them in another window. Is that how it is for everyone?

No. 2578228

>>2578209
I've done it for the past two years and I've heard so many complaints about a bunch of different things, but honestly I've been doing just fine and having fun so I'll be participating again this year. The only issue I've had in the past is that I do start to stress a little about my art skills being too shitty and I worry that I can't churn out art fast enough to revenge every attack that I get, but I'm gonna try to remind myself more often that it's all just for fun and I should take it easy this time around. Plus I have a job now which takes up a lot of my time, so it'll kinda force me to be more casual when it comes to my AF participation this year.

No. 2578348

>>2578119
the ghost one is so cute. i don't get the point of the rest cuz, who really owns the oc's design here?
>>2577851
the ban wave gave me a bad taste in my mouth too but i still look forward to the event because there really isn't nothing like it online, unless you make a circle of artist friends and… in this economy, really? i also want my oc children to get some love so i'm hoping fingers crossed to get noticed by some really good artists.

side note, is artfight good to translate the attention you get there to the socmed you post art to the rest of the year?
>>2578228
> I do start to stress a little about my art skills being too shitty and I worry that I can't churn out art fast enough to revenge every attack that I get
this is me! this year will be my first time participating, so i'm doing it as a test to my discipline. gotta take advantage of unemployment until it lasts.

No. 2578362

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How do you nonnas improve your traditional art skills? For example: what is the best technique for coloring with pencils? Or shadow with normal black pencils?

Did you improve independently (self help book and videos) or did someone help you in a art class or one on one? (Or maybe both)

No. 2578383

>>2578362
>How do you nonnas improve your traditional art skills?
I recently got into acrylics. Like, hardcore got into instead of elementary school tier enjoying myself putting pigment on canvas. Truly the key is to look up stuff on youtube. Just dedicate yourself to looking up random video made by people that are like Bob Ross but better at explaining things and copy what they do.
>Did you improve independently (self help book and videos) or did someone help you in a art class or one on one? (Or maybe both)
That's a tricky question. It's more a matter of
>self help via using my own time to find tutorials made by other people
I don't consider that "self-taught", personally, but that's what I'm doing and have been doing haha. You learn a lot by digging through tumblr archives too.

No. 2578392

What's a character design philosophy you personally hate? It doesn't have to be popular opinion either. I'm kind of mixed on "less is more" as a concept. Done well, designs look memorable and iconic. Done terribly, It looks like a plain mess imo. Deliberate detailness is a better way of handling something but that's again my opinion.

No. 2578424

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>>2578392
I've always had a gripe with the shape language principle and how limiting it is

No. 2578431

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>>2578424
It can be less gay if used by a not-retard I think

No. 2578496

>>2578392
Not really a philosophy but I hate the trend of over-designed gacha shit. Particularly with a lot of genshin characters they have so much crap on them that they all look the same, the only thing separating them is colors

No. 2578685

>>2577846
There's no question. A lot of nonnas I know, myself included, like to do ahead prep for AF. These fuckers KNOW very well what they're up to and don't want nonnas to be ahead of the game.
>>2578162
Yes. I'm able to click some and load them up.
It just makes it a bit more tedious, but it is what it is.
>>2577851
I'm gonna do it but only because my mutuals are too. More fun when you have friends to do it with.
I'm not going as hard as last year though. Last year I went full-on apeshit and only got 3 revenges for every 7 attacks I completed.
Not really sure how nonnas can find one another though when there's some snitchy tranny lurking about.
>>2578431
I like this a lot, nonna.
>>2577867
PYW?!
Very based btw.

No. 2578690

>>2578424
The man would be an upside down triangle (the best body type for a man) so this is extra retarded.

No. 2578695

>>2578496
What do you consider a great example of averting this though?

No. 2578698

>>2578685
>PYW?!
What does this mean

No. 2578712

>>2578698
ntayrt but Post Your Work. Nonna wants to see!

No. 2578714

>>2578712
Thanks! I’d love to see as well, but that might reveal her identity…

No. 2578716

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Of course they put “transphobia” before racism, sexism, and homophobia. Sigh…

No. 2578737

>>2578716
>use of slurs
>ableist views
Time to narc on all the 4channers that participate this year

No. 2578758

>>2578716
They really don't care it seems.

No. 2578770

>>2578737
>racist views
>sexist views
So the entirety of 4chan and its trannies

No. 2578848

>>2578770
ban everybody because even the tiktok kids think its quirky to say faggot rn kek

No. 2578941

>>2578424
>>2578431
I agree with both. I hate simplified shape language, it looks shitty and ugly 99% of the time. But it can be used well if the artist know what they're doing.

No. 2578948

>>2578716
very telling of the userbase and staff. most of them are rich white kids that haven't really struggled a second in their lives but since they have a ~spicy~ identity they think their suffering is above them all and that's why they take troonphobia so much deeply than actual bigotry and hatred, they haven't been actually discriminated against… maybe this very obvious fact is better fit for another thread, kek, but it seriously pisses me off how they put troony loony stuff as the #1 thing on everything.
honestly? this makes me more eager to participate, because i'm le evil terf having fun on their pwecious kweerio website and they probably would be very upset if they knew that.

No. 2578995

>>2578716
I bet you they'll only enforce these rules against terfs for wrongthink and play stupid for everything else.

No. 2579015

>>2578995
I mean they did, we all saw it in action. Just the crime of being associated with terfs got anons banned.

No. 2579059

>>2579015
Yea, I'm surprised people are still going back after last year. Fuck AF

No. 2579472

>>2579059
Free art go brr

No. 2579486

>>2579059
im doing it so i can shill my ocs, im tired of being the only person who cares about them kek

No. 2579487

>>2579059
Just join and don't do returns if you can get away with it.

No. 2579489

Where did you people come from? I've been stalking this thread for a while because I want to talk to someone about art kek
>>2578119
samefag I was thinking about doing a funny and designing OCs for these people that are subtly related to lolcows.

No. 2579506

>>2579489
I’ve known about lolcow and have been lurking for years, including other art generals such as the bad art general, but only kinda recently found out about this general a few months ago. Now it’s my main place in confiding about my art related salt unfiltered since I can’t talk about this anywhere else kek. It’s nice to see others shit talk artists I’ve always had some problems with

No. 2579510

>>2579489
From Holly Brown and RacistUncle bullshit.

No. 2579547

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>>2578424
Shape language autists are such a cancer, these ugly designs never look good and instead look amateurish and corporate. They think shape design is the only thing that matters, so as long as you make your character round like a balloon or square like a fridge its clothes or hair doesnt matter. There is a very popular youtube video on youtube that preaches about the importance of shape language, meanwhile picrel is them ''fixing'' a character. The ''improved'' version is the right one that looks like a tranny btw. I dont know how these retards manage to fuck up such a simple concept as shape design, which is meant to enhance a good design. The average townie from the PPG or My life as a teen robot looks 10 times more interesting than that shit.

No. 2579553

>>2579547
I think the style on the right could work in a cartoony, Psychonauts-ish kind of way, but this execution is bad. The design became way more boring, too.

No. 2579554

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Am I crazy or is this very obviously traced/using AI??

No. 2579559

>>2579554
yeah seems like it.

No. 2579560

>>2579554
it even got the trademark ai piss filter kekkkk

No. 2579561

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>>2579547
i keked so hard when they showed this reedit after emphasizing how conflicting shapes shouldnt be in a certain shaped character kek this is supposed to be a femme fatale character yet they chose a bos for her face? it shouldve looked like this

No. 2579571

>>2579561
I always wondered why western animators are so reluctant to add three-dimensional to their designs. I see no point to make the belts look like they are tattoos instead of actualy objects in perspective.

No. 2579586

>>2579547
How on earth is the right one and improvement? It looks so bland and ugly compared to the design on the left.

No. 2579587

>>2579554
not ai but referenced from a real picture very likely. which is kindof a non-issue and has been done for hundreds of years

No. 2579588

>>2578424
I blame the obsession with shape language on Tumblr back in the day. Everyone was going through an anti-anime phase and same face syndrome was a popular topic. It turned into those Homestuck character line ups where everyone tried to have the most unique headcanon for the characters (the female characters always conveniently still had a small cute face and hourglass figure though until drawing them like hulking troons became popular) which then infected every other fandom

You can always tell who's really phoning in shape language in their art, there's definitely people who understand it well but I feel a lot use it as a crutch to avoid learning their fundies

No. 2579591

Ok so nonna, about erotica:
I like to draw erotica/sexual themes because for me erotica or sexual stuff is either animalistic as in raw action (esp. nudity, I like to draw nudity as the simply state of existing), connection for two persons or simply having fun. Sex and flirting in fun but of course, me drawing erotica gets me exposed to countless moid that like my characters. I only have girl ocs and of course my public pages are public to get engagement but how I can get my erotica art less appealing to moids? So far what I noticed is:
>Moids like embarrassed or surprised situations like uwaah! You walked in me changing! Oh no, this monster is going to fuck me!
>Moids like characters looking at them, not complicity. They like titty character staring at them or at the genitalia of other males
>If it's yuri, they like both girls looking at the viewer
>In straight fucking, only the cock is needed, they don't like to see another moid's face
>Casual nudity has to include a random fetish for them, that's over ly exaggerated (ex. a nude girl but she has weirdly detailed feet)
>Of course, ahegao or weird turtle faces, sweat clouds, overly blushed areas
So far these are my points about what they like but doing a complete 180 on this stuff, puts me into tumblr style, weird tif art. So far my reach got slightly better when I drew confident women that do not look at the viewer but I wonder if anynonna here has some other tips?

No. 2579596

>>2579591
>draws female characters in sexual situations
>omg why am i being followed by moids?
are you for real kek

No. 2579599

>>2579596
Women also like erotica, I want to appeal to them. Do not pretend that women do not engage in erotica, come on kek

No. 2579606

>>2579599
Women like yaoi and husbando stuff. Unless you are aiming to draw stuff for lesbians, which fair but they are miniscule amount of the population and lesbian porn is more popular with men than with SSA women.

No. 2579615

>>2579606
And? Yes, I want my miniscule niche, what's strange about it? My question is: how do I make erotica (which is different than straight up mindless porn but I guess that if you cannot tell the two apart, then you probably don't understand what I do) appealing to women or towards the female gaze more? I don't care about popular shit because I already do popular shit under a different name and I know what the average girl/woman on the internet likes, I want to know how to NOT to appeal to men without going full tumblrina/twitter art because not only I don't want to do ugly shit (I refuse to give moids pretty things), I don't want to learn a new artstyle. Is it really that bad trying to fight off this shit? I don't care about how big my public is gonna be or niches, I'm here to get some opinions about patterns and stuff that men don't like so they would fuck off, they aren't even useful but if I block them, I can say bye bye to my career and my side gig, I'm also a crypto so I know what I'm going through, I just want a more curated space.

No. 2579618

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Actual question; why are skinny and tall/elongated drawings of humans universally seen as more attractive? As soon as it's any level of stylized/cartoony like fashion drawings or in anime it just looks better to people if the character is skinny and super tall. Usually what in reality would be comically long legs like picrel is just accepted as normal and attractive. It seems weird because people don't usually yearn for comically long legs the same as they're into big boobs or whatever. Like proportionally so much of the body is put into the legs… idk I'm definitely overthinking it.

No. 2579619

>>2579615
Nta maybe just make your chacaters slightly radical feminists. I think men will be put off if the characters insult men in a radical feminist type fo ways. You said you are crypto so just insult men and not trannies.

No. 2579621

>>2579615
What makes you think you dont have your miniscule niche audience already? if you want to completly cull off men that's impossible and they will always be more than lesbians since straight men are most of the world's population. As long as you draw sexy women men are going to flock to it like flies to shit.

No. 2579622

>>2579619
>anon doesnt know about men into femdom
oh poor innocent nonny. Men literally pay women to insult them.

No. 2579623

>>2579622
I know that's why i said radical feminist type of way because that stuff cuts deeper than the vast majority of men who are into femdom want.

No. 2579625

>>2579615
A someone not into erotica, the only erotica I can find appealing as art is realistic but stylized nudity of women chilling. I imagine realistic proportions ward off most moids by default

No. 2579626

>>2579623
It really doesnt kek. Those men literally like to get ballbusted you are insane if you think a few mean words coming from cartoon girls is going to affect them. Some of them come here just to get their fix of women insulting them. We literally have a gross moid who selfposts his videos of him in a diaper on the cringe thread so anons can insult him.

No. 2579627

>>2579622
Kek, was just about to say that. Unfortunately what makes one moid go into a homicidal rage gets another off, or makes him get off and homicidal rage.

No. 2579629

>>2579626
Some come here yes, that's the ones she will never get rid off, but spending my time selling art to horny moids most of them don't want feminist stuff they get triggered, it's funny.

No. 2579630

>>2579627
Not only that but most women into self-sexualization are super mega pickmes who would cancel nonny at the mere hint of misandry. The only way to appeal to women is drawing pastel pink moeblobs with big fat tits like that ugly shit super sonico. But that's also going to attract tons of moids.

No. 2579631

>>2579591
Men have really low standards so this is hard but I guess the the more work it takes for them to coom, the better, as they are more likely to click off your work and seek out quicker gratification. Maybe you could try more dialogue heavy and scenario/character development heavy sex scenes (plot with porn) and focusing more on male bodies instead of female bodies. If you have to focus on female bodies, make them have normal proportions. No gigantic tits or crazy curves and use angles to hide tits/ass like how they always do in moid gaze media with the men.

No. 2579632

>>2579629
Yes i am sure moids are super triggeed by your feminist porn anon. They must feel super owned by a woman drawing sexy girls and calling it feminist, not like men constantly make fun of how libfems who think the sexual revolution of shaking their asses and dressing in provocative clothes is totes feminist and owning da men.

No. 2579639

>>2579632
God you're an assuming retard. I don't draw feminist porn, i'm saying that when they see feminist porn that hurts their ego they don't like it, because that's what 15 years of my market research statistics show me. I draw porn they want because i love to take their money for me listening to podcasts and drawing in my cave, that's all there is to it. I don't care about libfems or shaking asses or whatever has nothing to do with what i talk about.

No. 2579641

Is twitter really the only place to post art? I see so much ugly slop get popular that I'm salty it's not me. I'm tired of getting zero engagement elsewhere. And why is every art discord filled with trannies?

No. 2579650

>>2579639
>feminist porn
>for men
topkek sure anon you are soooo based for drawing coomshit for men instead of drawing stuff for women, you seriously are showing them by being paid to make them cum! reminds me of another line of work were women get paid for the same thing, it's the oldest profession after all.



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