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>>2293658 No. 2325191
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I'm deciding that bjds count as a Fandom. A lot of whining about blind box dolls from Amazon flooding the hobby on reddit and IG, and the usual "why are you so mean to ppl????" hand wringing on the one Tumblr confession blog left. Most doll owners seem to either like the blind box dolls or are neutral towards them. Personally, I think they're just another way to sell plastic junk.
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>>2325191Picrel but these are the kinds of blind box dolls they're mad about
No. 2325534
>>2325425Something something gatekeeping something something capitalism
That's all you get out of them
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Heard that a live action movie version of Tangled is confirmed, and honestly I'm hoping they make her white. People online spew the vile shit just because Disney changed the color of a cartoon's skin for free advertising. Making Ariel black made them go insane I can't imagine what will happen if they make Rapunzel black or Indian please just make her a blue eyed blonde white girl
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>>2325531Everyone always leaves him out in this discussion.
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>>2326239Disney has been hit or miss with male leads recently, I found the guys in Cinderella and the original Maleficent cute but can't say the same for Beauty & the Beast and the Little mermaid
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>>2326281Oh wow I just realized that looking back at the poster, I guess I am a fake fan. Don't think audiences would care much if they picked up a blue eyed actor instead of a green one though.
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>>2326306The beast's human form looks like John malkovich from dangerous liasions lol
No. 2326404
>>2326385To be fair Harry's eye colour are emphasized a lot in the books, for its the only connection he had left of his mother, and many character reminisce about such when they speak to Harry.
I dont recall rapunzle's eye colour having a strong factor in determining she was the missing princess in the movies (though it should be noted that both rapunzle and her mother have green eyes)
No. 2326489
>>2326403I wouldnt necessarily object to an Indian retelling of rapunzle, I just wish it wasnt a direct remake of tangled, and was an original stand alone story that happened to have cultural elements mixed with the folk tale.
Even better if it was an animated film. Maybe Im just a hater for live action films but honestly all these retellings wouldve benefited from being animated in the first place, even if it was in 3D. I hate how generic and boring big hollywood has become, everything has to be based off a pre existing concept or series nowadays.
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>>2326502it would be neat if they managed to incorporate hair oil into it. What if instead of rapunzle being born with blessed hair from a sundrop flower, the sun drop flower is created into a concentrated oil that must be reapplied onto her hair to maintain the healing powers.
There could be more cultural elements that could be influenced, such as a different plant to replace the rapunzle plants that grew in the witch's gardens in the og fairytale, but the first thing that came to my mind was hair oil
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>>2326403There were already unsubstantiated rumors of Avantika playing Rapunzel in the live action remake of Tangled earlier this year, and the amount of shit flinging about that fucking fancast was ridiculous. I'm praying they don't raceswap Rapuzel because another Inidan woman doesn't need to go through this shit at all.
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>>2326530samefag. Disney adults are fucking deranged
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>>2326507This would be an interesting twist because it could be a major plot point that Rapunzel's parents invented the healing oil, and Mother Gothel framed and stole the formula from the parents, taking thier child to create an oil business of her own (and to hide witnesses). Mother Gothel could use gaslighting and distractions to suppress her memory of the event. Flynn Rider could be connected as a thief who wants to steal the healing oil formula but gets caught by Rapunzel.
Damn
nonnie, this is an interesting concept but unfortunetly we all know disney is going to retell the exact same story but in drab 'live-action'
No. 2326593
>>2326108>>2326530I'm not the first to bring up this tinfoil, but it's pretty obvious Disney is doing it on purpose to create even more racial tensions in AmeriKKKa. If the fake woke race ending works, they get asspats for doing the bare minimum despite their track record. If it doesn't, they can just blame it on blacks/indians not selling and use it as an excuse to have even less black and brown representation. Win/win on their side, but it's gotten so bad even black and brown people are begging they cast a blonde white girl so they don't have to catch more slack from Disney adults. Avantika hasn't even been casted and you already have retards like
>>2326539 losing their minds about it.
No. 2327298
>>2326417I liked a couple of them but I haven't watched them in quite a while
Cinderella is still extremely beautiful though which is why I think it still has a lot of fans.
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>>2327363to be fair this movie didnt come from disney, but a racebend of cinderella had existed for a long time and I personally think it stands on its own as a good film
though its probably nostalgia speaking, i fucking loved this movie as a kid No. 2328364
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I'm struggling not to a-log so bad, as if her being voiced by a trans woman wasn't bad enough. There is one levelheaded comment that didn't immediately switch their stance after the TWAW responses in the whole comment section, and even then it's the most milquetoast acknowledgment of the game's obvious themes of workplace misogyny. I know that these men are pathologically unable of thinking beyond themselves and how things relate to their own identity, but their insensitivity and complete lack of tact astounds me. Every day I wake up and think that maybe the game was a mistake after all.
Inb4 "she's not a real person" I know that she's just a character, but her situation is such a terrifying reality for many women.
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These comments are under an Instagram video about how men are reading less books. Feels related to fandoms, posting this here
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDXZbp6xYPl/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== No. 2328640
>>2328556Meanwhile, gamer men heavily praise
Portal despite it having feminist themes.
No. 2328664
>>2328556>men read books that make brain hurt and expand>women read flowery books about introspection and love and peace on earthWould be 100% more productive to insult the utterly retarded writers and publishers because I don't like that shit or middle class suburban YA slop literature either. But is there even a point in drawing a line in the sand when the loss of quality is going to be blamed on women regardless of whether female readers enjoy worldbuilding or classics?
>women don't like worldbuildingWho the fuck are these people?
No. 2328671
>>2328664Moids. Or, mostly retarded. Both are correct. Maybe their definition of worldbuilding is long expodumps on how a laser gun works. No one cares about that crap besides male sci fi spergs and their lot.
>>2328665most of them say they do to seem smart until you check their bookshelf to find nothing. The fact that some of them in that thread liken the iliad to warhammer gives all you need on how literate moids are. Novels based on silly action figures does not count as reading.
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>>2328558Notice how the only women-led stories they're willing to read are the ones where women are sexualized or in sexualized careers. Very telling.
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Male fandoms are so sad. Their favorite activities consist on powerscaling, posting "literally me" edits and drawing porn. Do they even process or create anything of value anymore?
I may shit on female fans sometimes but at least they do actually care for the media they consume beyond face value shit, they get truly truly invested. Just look at picrel, the MLP infection trend. This was a great fandom concept several women participated in, creating AUs and cool stuff, while male MLP fans were just jerking it to the ponies and being embarrassing. It's women making these hyper detailed analysis posts on characters, talking about their personal interactions, background and personalities while men be talking about who got the biggest dick or something. I'm actually proud of us, when women join a fandom it automatically gets better
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>>2328640>>2328650Silent Hill 3 too imo
>>2328704tbh I agree. I actually thought something similar when I was in the Homestuck fandom years ago. So much fan content was made primarily by female artists and they'd churn out some of the craziest and most interesting ideas and fanarts. Even simple stuff like pic related was so fun and cute to me. This was also before trooning out characters was a super common thing so it was a great time kek.
No. 2328754
>>2328704>>2328744I never knew some of my favorite AUs were made by women until I looked at the themes and the way they were drawn to really solidify women's contributions to the fandom. All men do is coom and nothing else when before we had amazing gen fics that felt like earnest continuation of the source material. Is this why troons complain about the lack of f/f when all they could've done is just…make things? Making things isn't hard but I won't discredit the time and effort it makes to be good at art and writing.
This might sound blog but I use to be interesting in a stupid series of books from Japan that turned monsters into anime girls. After like some parts of it while hating the rest, I took what interest me and made something that most fans of those books wouldn't even dare explore like alternate sexualities, how women are treated, and obviously by burgeoning interest in monster boys kek.
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>>2328754>stupid series of books from Japan that turned monsters into anime girlsNonnie are you talking about
monster girl encyclopedia? No. 2328894
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>>2328890the comparison between a moid's dryad desgin vs a woman's (ryoko kui in this case) is so jarring. Ryoko's dryad is completely naked yet it doesnt have the same coom vibes you'd get from the MGE one
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>>2328556Funny how they sperg about dislking the endless internal emotions being written, as if Dostoevsky’s writting wasn’t filled with internal emotions being written (an author they love to mention and recommend).
>>2328704I used to see way more men doing good character analysis, of course not in properly fandoms, but “avulse” analysis in dedicated groups/forums to It, now, everytime I see a good character analysis, I open up the profile and notice It was clearly from a woman.
>their favorite activities consist on powerscalingOnce I was reading an One Piece chapter (back when Wano country arc was still going on), so much information about important characters was being revealed to us and yet 90% of the comment section about the chapters were just powerscaling autism.
I mean, It’s shounen manga, I didn’t expected any different, what pissed me quite a bit was how the ONLY person in that comment section who tried to do a simple analysis by mentioning bible characters and comparing the situations was being massacrated by other retards in there.
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>>2328754>and obviously by burgeoning interest in monster boys kekClosest you're gonna get is alps
No. 2329394
>>2328899>In old fandoms men used to write significantly more fanfiction and participated more in discussionWhile I lament they don't discuss as much as they used to, the lack of men writing fanfic is actually a good thing. People complain about "women and their fanfic" but their writing surpasses any untalented moid's writing by far. All you need to see is Royal Road to see what sort of retarded drivel men write, full of protag wanking, haremfaggotry, and insipid litRPG autism.
Men not writing fanfic is a good thing
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>>2329405
No, anon is referring to Hayashida and Ryoko Kui. Both are women but Hayashida's work is targeted for men and has more risque elements whereas Ryoko's is targeted for a general audience
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>>2329516I like it imo hayashida pulls it off well.
The characters have this "powerful so theyre capable of dressing however they want" vibe that scrote artists fail to conceptualize and theres usually a balance between the lewd outfits and practical outfits (e.g shimada dark switching between her robes and her "naked" form)
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Why do they put race on this yearly chart? Idgi, is it just to guilt trip people about representation
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>>2329531It helps that when a woman does end up fully or partly naked makes the story doesn't dwell on it. There is no pervert moid character that goes "uoouughh boobies!!! Tiddy!!
nosebleeds"
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>>2329592KEKKKK what the fuck. This just reads like
>Thinking of masturbating? Stop! Is at least one member of your OTP nonwhite? Continue. No. 2329812
>>2329592>no. 49a lesbian ship of two characters that had no plot relevance whatsoever, they don't even interact iirc, but it's nice to have lesbians in your fujoshit, because it shows you are inclusive and despise filthy het pairings
ffs, hp is such a fucking ancient fandom, why is it filled with so many retards.
(fujosperg outside of containment) No. 2330026
>>2329592why are the good omens faggots in "other"? shouldn't they be m/m?
>>2329601for real kek, i do wonder what was the thought process behind the other choices for color.
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>>2329592are we at least in agreement that RPF is pretty fucked up?
No. 2330256
>>2330228ayrt, fair and based but you also raise a good point: what irl moid is hot enough to write about? i honestly see rpf shipping as something you should not do mostly because its bad for
you, the shipper, idc as much about the subjects. its likely they will never know.
my greatest shame is being in the "hbo war fandom" back on tumblr in 2012. those boys were (largely) not cute and i feel lowkey gross shipping "characters" that were actually real life 80-90yr old men at the time! barfff No. 2330264
>>2330193I dont like it either.
>>2330228 makes a good case for it but most of the time these women worship the real moids a little too hard and its not like these scrotes see most of the degenerate stuff written about them.
No. 2330271
>>2330193idc about modern moids but i consider historical rpf on the same level as fictional characters.
idc about rpf usually but some fans are legit schizos like
>>2330257 said. i remember the completely unhinged people who shipped the uggos from spn back on lj. some of the shit you see about
kpop guys is also off-the-wall bonkers.
otoh it scares moids so maybe that's a good thing. i would love a world where men live in constant fear of batshit fangirls
No. 2330272
>>2329592>IwtV that lowIt has everything people claim to love, vampires,
toxic relationships, two guys kissing and yet it's that low. Did Anne really scare people off of making fanfic of her work that much?
No. 2330304
>>2330278>the same could be said of a woman that wants to fuck a taken celebTrue, those people are shit too. I wasn't trying to single out M/M RPF, just that it isn't much better than other forms of RPF when it comes to harassing real life women.
>writing fanfic will never be as bad as thatNo one said that.
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>>2330193My first fandom was lotrips (lord of the rings rps). I think the making of the films was seen as a “fictional story” of its own and almost all the fic took place in New Zealand. Didn’t help that the actors kept kissing eachother and doing other weird shit
I didn’t see the those men as human then, and I still don’t see men as human and dgaf. It died out now that the cast is old and fugly anyway.
Lotrips being the originator(?) of such batshit RPS behavior as “the actors aren’t allowed to reveal their hidden relationship / gay shipping because (label, film studio, etc) is homophobic and evil but they’re secretly sending us signs to tell us they’re totally dating for real!!” is pretty fucking funny though. Domlijah tinhatters walked so the Johnlock conspiracy dorks could run.
No. 2330523
>>2330416I don’t think most people dedicate their lives to it, just the loudest and weirdest
I’m sure being a 2Dfag is easier but I’ve never been able to get off to cartoons.
No. 2330811
>>2330706NAYRT but I don't think that's the case, it's more that these books are by and for women. We generally don't want to see rape and violence because we're subjected to that all the time IRL. Men obsess over rape because it's the only way their incel shrimp dicks can get wet, and consensual sex makes them mad because it implies that other men can get laid by being normal.
IMO the lack of violence and McGuffin problems are a result of walking on eggshells around the PTSD transmasc watermelon emoji crowd, the only ones who read this slop. Their problems are mostly self inflicted and utterly retarded, and they're so self centered that they only read fiction that features their ideal self as the MC. So the 300 pages of absolutely fuck all happening really doesn't bother them, it's like reading an AU of their own lives.
The push for diversity backfires a lot because as
>>2330597 said the muh ownvoices wheelchair hijabi MTF crowd are obsessed with tearing each other down in a powertripping frenzy. The editors and agents, who are often cows themselves, see the resulting shitshow and decide that the only way to avoid it is by making books even more inclusive and diverse and less
problematic, but that means that it caters to an even narrower range of retards, and the problems intensify.
Normal people don't want to read 400 pages of navel gazing over nothing, so they don't. That means that the purity fanatics are the only audience, and they spend all their time doing background checks on the author to find something they can get mad about instead of buying the book.
I hope we go back to having more books written by actually good writers that understand why an original book can't be fanfiction, but until they stop catering to adult toddlers, we're going to have to put up with the same old slop.
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>>2330193Kek imagine moralfagging over people writing fanfiction about celebrities who will never even read it. I've never been into rfp but as
>>2330228 put it, the only issue is that most rpf is about the ugliest moids.
No. 2330925
>>2330193Historical is ok, after a certain point people basically become characters. Modern celebs, I wouldn't judge but it makes me a little uncomfortable.
The true crime stuff is a straight no from me though. That's inviting ghosts of
victims to haunt you and all sorts of bad vibes.
No. 2331092
>>2329592>Idgi, is it just to guilt trip people about representationAnd if I said these queer academia tumblerite faggots shouldn't have been given a single inch back in the day would I be wrong? I want these moralfags that exist purely to play fandom activism in female fandom spaces tard wrangled asap
>>2330811>IMO the lack of violence and McGuffin problems are a result of walking on eggshells around the PTSD transmasc watermelon emoji crowd, the only ones who read this slop. Their problems are mostly self inflicted and utterly retarded, and they're so self centered that they only read fiction that features their ideal self as the MC. So the 300 pages of absolutely fuck all happening really doesn't bother them, it's like reading an AU of their own lives.>The push for diversity backfires a lot because as other anon said the muh ownvoices wheelchair hijabi MTF crowd are obsessed with tearing each other down in a powertripping frenzy. The editors and agents, who are often cows themselves, see the resulting shitshow and decide that the only way to avoid it is by making books even more inclusive and diverse and less problematic, but that means that it caters to an even narrower range of retards, and the problems intensify.I don't really keep up but is there a way out of this? It seems really exhausting to both feel like you have to pander to speds while having an editorial sped breathing down your neck
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>>2330852That's literally the reason for a bunch of these witch hunts. None of the speds can agree on this. Some of them get off on self inserting as a sad liddle babby, some of them want to escape from the realities of life including any type of violence, some of them like the catharsis of revenge, some of them are terminal doormats who hate justice in any form. Now it's popular to parrot the opinion that goblins are Jews and orcs are black, so fantasy violence is in hot water.
There's literally no winning with them. It's like the homophobia retardation, where books with any mention of homophobia are seen as homophobic and attacking the gays, regardless of context, but books without homophobia erase the neverending pain of the homos, so we can't have either; but having only straight couples is a no-no too. I swear these idiots use The Onion to find the next big discourse because there's no way anyone can be dense enough to actually believe the bullshit they spew.
>>2331006Totally. There's a big emphasis on drawn out discussions in general. I especially hate the therapy speak, which also leaks into the consent thing you mentioned. I'm not a big fan of characters boning in books, but it's especially awful when they dedicate paragraphs to a PSA that makes it sound like the characters are being held at gunpoint and forced to fuck to prove a point. You can tell that virgins are the ones writing this, at least they're too terminally online to be taken advantage of by a moid.
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Of course it's a transbian getting pissy about this.
No. 2331360
>>2331332Eh, a company targeting women (regardless of whether the women are straight or not) and making them a priority being successful is what I'd consider women winning (even if there's sexy men being objectified in the game).
The point is that for once, something that took women's opinions seriously as its own project is successful.
No. 2331367
>>2331332In the next vein:
>why won't you draw or write my heckin awesome sapphic pairing with girldicks in it you cock-obsessed foid?>>2331342Man why do you have to shit all over our enthusiasm when we know the female audience is neglected…
>None of this slop is 'women winning', we'll win when we stop relying on these coomshit games and soulless twink slop entirely.Why is that we're the only ones to check ourselves but moids are free to ruin "gen" games with their degenerate fetishes because they can't keep their cocks on their pants for 2 fucking minutes?
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Why do moids and troons regard anything aimed at women as degenerate but their yuri loli porn is "heckin wholesome" and "valid"? If this is the type of slop they want, I'd rather chop my hands off.
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>>2331437>love and deepspaceI always thought it was pretty for a mobile game, if a bit generic. Do men hate bishies that much? I'd say the men are portrayed with more respect than the shrill big tiddy girls typical in male dating sims
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>>2331480>>2331478The mere mention of wanting more bishies in this game makes them all mald and not even from jerking off on E.
No. 2331553
>>2331531"theres lots of otome games out there" as someone who plays plenty of otome myself… why do they always try to confine women who ask for anything into
>go play otome games and leave our game aloneWhat about the women who just want an RPG or turn-based game with cute guys? Males get to have the best of both worlds but women asking for the same is a crime now
No. 2331579
>>2331332This isn't even a matter of quality, that's a just a revenue chart. That tranny is just salty that the multimillionaire company made more money than the other multimillionaire company kek
>>2331500If anything they should compare Genshin to Infinity Nikki, both games have way more similar mechanics and the difference in their treatment of women is night and day. If anything, troons should compare Love and Deepspace to coomer-slop dating simulators, but they know it'd be a bad look because LADS still treats the love interests like actual humans, so they never will
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I hate the recent mindset of "no hating anything ever" in fandoms. I would understand clowning someone who joins a fan community for a media only to shit on it constantly, but now a days the smallest criticism is labeled "hate" and not even sperging on your own social media account is considered acceptable. I find it downright narcissistic to expect all your twitter mutuals to always keep their mouth shut in fear of offending you, grow up
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>>2331478>Do men hate bishies that much?The only gachashit I am playing right now is HSR, and moids on /vg/ and Tieba are always whining about how "gay" male characters are because they happen to be pretty boys. Hoyo releases the tamest male characters so as not to upset their incel fanbase, but males still find reasons to complain. They want all male characters to be Kratos-level ugly, while simultaneously wanting female characters to be either a big-titty ara ara waifu or a barefooted loli. The double standards are crazy.
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>>2332530Men can only self insert as ugly bastards
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Most of my BL ships are already canon, but posts like this are so obnoxiously smug and vague.
No. 2332556
>>2332542Tbf anti rhetoric on tumblr was incredibly fucking annoying. People would try to dogpile people for liking and shipping “
problematic” characters and ridiculous shit like that. I remember when the kinning (proto-DID) shit started and people started getting upset because they claimed people were talking about them. You’d think people would’ve grown up by now and realized they can just keep scrolling and or block/mute. It’s a childish thing to complain about at this point.
No. 2332612
>>2332556True, you'd get insulted by everyone no matter what you did, it ruined fandoms for me and in insight I wish I deleted my account as soon as I got fed up with this trend instead of staying just in case artists I liked would post more, which they didn't at all. I used to mindlessly scroll down my dashboard all day long instead of doing anything interesting or productive just to have my dashboard spammed with kinny bullshit and "Naoto is a transboy" discourse, I wish I could get that time back.
Speaking of kinning, it's not really a thing anymore, you say they're the proto DID havers with alters who are from Steven Universe or Voltron but I remember a lot of otherkins transitioning instead. It's like they either started treating their favorite characters as alters, treating them as "gender goals", calmed down and became normal, or just stopped using the internet in general.
No. 2332644
>>2332548Joke's on them. My favorite ships usually have at least one character that is in a much more popular but also non-canon BL ship. So if I want to hate on anything or anyone (which I don't because I have better things to do), it's those other ships.
I'm actually much more bothered by the rampant mischaracterisation of my faves than who they are shipped with. Now that's something I could rant about for ages.
No. 2332708
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>see low-effort yuri posting
>the poster clearly didn't read the source material
>check the profile
>it's a tranny with an agp smirk
Every. Single. Time.
No. 2334829
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Anyone else run into fandoms with weirdly high concentrations of degenerates? TF2 seems to and Osomastsu with todokaras comes to mind. It seems to me that the older the fandom is the more likely that the people who are sticking around are fixated on something weird as well as the source material. However todokaras was at the height of osomatsu-san's popularity, so maybe its something to with the media in question.
No. 2334911
>>2334845genderbends are just for fun. it’s not as if people don’t genderbend m/m either (or hetbend)
>>2334810so to answer you question: they basically take it as an attack on the “pureness of yuri”
No. 2334932
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>>2332540Doesn't work in Japanese VNs/sating sim. The MC is always youthful and pretty.
No. 2334963
>>2334911>genderbends are just for fun. it’s not as if people don’t genderbend m/m either (or hetbend)Not if you have negative interest in shipping men and/or male characters. Back when I was active in fandom, yurifags didn't genderbend f/f to m/m or m/m to f/f. That was all fujos.
>as an attack on the “pureness of yuri”Not surprised some see it that way, but really, if you can understand why someone would despise AUs or kidfic, then you can understand why someone would dislike genderbent f/f.
No. 2335035
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The view of unconventional female characters who aren’t designed like small uwu waifus is so retarded, coupled with the mpreg jokes fans make around them
No. 2335039
>>2334963People should tag anything they make and it's all good. I don't know why others twist their panties over pixels? I don't care if someone hetbends or lezbends a ship, just don't wax about being better the original.
>>2335035Can I say this? I think it's creepy when people take these characters and fetishize them instead of regarding their humanity. If a ugly scrote can get on by with only whispers of thirsting, why can't a woman just exist? She doesn't need to be called a dommy muscle mommy to be liked but people still do it.
No. 2335043
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>>2335035>>2335039abo brain rot, they have completely disconnected from bodies and created a reality where men who are not hypermasculine are the ones getting pregnant and women who deviate from conventional norms are treated as pseudo-males. It's honestly why I'm glad they all troon out in the end
No. 2335065
>>2335039imo at least some of those kinds of comments towards characters stem from an inability to communicate properly without relying on acceptable meme/horny terms– it's similar to how a lot of people prefer to regurgitate one joke/comment instead of risking saying something original. So people can't just say 'I like this character and think he/she is hot because of x y z about them and their design' in an honest way and so rattle off weird fetish memes instead.
>>2335035 picrel's OP also just sounds actually retarded though kek
>>2335043yeah that's definitely another source of these kinds of retarded comments. abo has some fascinatingly rancid concepts in general tbh, and it's grim to see the echoes of them breach containment
No. 2335132
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So recently the official account of Genshin Impact decided to put a brownoid into one of their most popular characters' birthday art. Without saying, a full blown civil war erupted, with many fujoshis not shying away from dropping N bombs while approving shippers call them racists while drawing pooner porn of them. Meanwhile, the japanese community has went full schizo and started sending death threats to the character, because the fanart with the brownoid was actually outsourced to South Korea. This escalated so much there's even a account posting clips of the brown character dying every day. It's become a mess, and while it has cooled down in three days since the post dropped the topic is still heated, given that leaks revealed more preferential treatment for the brownoid in the form of a bonus pose(racebait)
No. 2335134
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>>2335132Pic rel is the average QRT of the japanese post
No. 2335140
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>>2335134Meanwhile people doing edits of the art are called out as rayyycist because it's erasing BIPOC representation
No. 2335142
>>2335132Why is
every branch of this fandom so fucking schizo.
No. 2335144
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>>2335140response to this btw
>>2335142the fandom got too big because of Covid and now mentally ill freaks see every character as a potential threat to their husbando/waifu. Either way, I'm laughing
No. 2335148
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More salt
No. 2335154
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>>2335132>>2335132He looks like a standard Genshin character though. He's not even that brown, looks similar to Kaeya? Correct me if I'm wrong since I'm not a Genshin fag but this seems like a nothingburger
No. 2335176
>>2335168it's like
>>2335153 said, there are many popular yaoi pairings of this faggot that could've worked just as well, but they decided to create an entirely new character (which also looks fucking ugly) to shill a pairing and appease chinkcels. they literally don't know each other
(racebaiting) No. 2335191
>>2335181Also, the CEO, devs and fanbase have been throwing the female fans under the bus more and more often lately, and the incels who throw tantrums about the pretty anime boys have been getting
plenty of retarded coombait waifus to gawk at while fujos only get one-off bait like this, so it's not like the anger has come from
completely out of nowhere. The people flailing and dropping N bombs are genuinely just special needs though, they need to get off Twitter and touch grass.
No. 2335197
>>2335196It's kind of a shame because the fans have got
valid criticisms under the surface like
>>2335193 and
>>2335181 but the shippers just HAVE to put on their helmets and start headbanging kek
No. 2335201
>>2335200It's a bit different with gacha because they have
so freaking many characters to juggle, and Genshin has a gender war going on within the fanbase right now. Mihoyo's every move is being (deservedly) scrutinised from both sides because that's the kind of audience they cultivated ON PURPOSE kek
No. 2335206
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>>2335176>>2335195>which also looks fucking uglyhe's literally just a pallet swap of the guy he's with, there are literally only two body types for the male characters
No. 2335220
>>2335206The two groups of female characters on the right look exactly the same. Also
>Small potatoesUgh.
No. 2335235
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>>2335209found some context on plebbit
No. 2335237
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>>2335235Sounds like his waifu is yae sakura so he self inserted like fuck on yae miko like that powerpuff girls guy kek
No. 2335477
>>2335280I dont have a horse in this race either but
>Sethos has had several interactions with him now.Wouldnt this be because the devs are actively trying to force him down their throats? Either way all this drama told me is that even when pandering to women, moids will only consider other moids feelings first. The retards freaking out are so close to getting it but they’d rather seethe about a character with no will of his own instead of the scrote making these decisions.
No. 2335543
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>>2334932>The MC is always youthful and pretty.His buttbudy is cuter, a shame they didnt have the balls to make it a real BL route and instead it was trapshit
No. 2335544
>>2335513As another fujo I completely agree with you.
>they’ve just given us Citlali, an in-your-face simp for the main character who blushes endlessly and even establishes a mind connection with themJfc, is
every Genshin character just someone's manufactured waifu and/or canonized donut steel now? It's so parasocial and creepy.
No. 2336478
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>>2334932>Implying Akane is the average VN protagonistDude's gay and hates women, no one's self inserting as him kek.
No. 2336494
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>>2335543Wrong character nonna
No. 2336506
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>>2336501The pic you were replying to was of Akane Takeda though, who while he's feminine I don't really think he counts as a trap.
Both games have BL routes though.
No. 2336515
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>>2336514Traps depend for me, I like Nagisa from Assclass and Yuuki is acceptable without glasses
Igarasu x Akane is hot as hell though.
No. 2336527
>>2336520There’s only but so much homo stuff in non BLge so I gotta take what I can get, and if they spend half the route crossdressing then it’s fine.
>>2336523Yes and
No. 2336571
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>>2336567>I'm not sure why they did that.Japanese people like BL
No. 2336572
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>>2336461Have you heard about the drama on how the most kudos'd fic is now a Jayvik fic and not a Caitvi fic? Could that have something to do with it?
No. 2336574
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>>2336571I blame go nagai
No. 2336585
>>2336573I dont know how korean and chinese moids manage to be worse than japanese scrotes that invented anime degeneracy.
>>2336571Reminds me of how the animation director of gundam went on to direct the kazeki no uta OVA. He never worked on BL again and pretty much he only worked on mecha shit for teenage scrotes so it surprised me when i found out about it. Western moid artists wouldnt work on BL/stuff for women even if they were being held at gunpoint, they are such insecure faggots.
No. 2336628
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>>2336614I have only seen it ''as a joke'' when its ugly roided guys, like in golden kamuy. When it has traps is for straggots, when its actual normal guys like in sao its for fujos. Its really not hard to tell them apart at all and acting like moids dont get mad at BL when there is a metric shit ton of proof of moids seething that goes back to the naruto days is just lying. You can easily find archives of f/a/ggots seething at YOI and free.
No. 2337143
>>2336965Japanese fandom is extremely gender segregated, normally in way such that stuff for women is in its own ghetto, with women’s content separated further into non-BL and BL.
Fujos will always use separate tags so BL fan works aren’t something you can come across accidentally. I remember seeing a drawing by a male otaku in response to fujos jokingly tagging artwork oneshota (it was sometimes used for pairings where the uke had that kind of ara ara oneesan vibe, I don’t get it either) featuring an oneshota couple dressed as ISIS executioners about to behead a tied up blindfolded fujoshi so there really is pushback when fujos don’t perfectly self quarantine.
So to be honest I think the seeming ‘well behaved’ nature of Japanese male otaku is probably because Japanese fujos are so self conscious about making sure that they’re as invisible to male otaku as possible. Though I’m unfamiliar with CN/KR fandom, maybe all these zoning rules are kept to just as heavily and men are still acting out.
No. 2337671
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I think both sides are retarded but the temper trantrum energy of this post busted my sides.
No. 2337696
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>>2337671The "wants to say much worse" is OBLITERATING me kek,
please unleash your fury on the other retards Tumblr artist
No. 2337704
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>>2337696I should post the full comic for context of their HULK SMASH 5 year old style rageposting.
No. 2337737
>>2337704Like 90% of the time the media these people get into is shounen manga full of fanservice shots of teen girls or mobile games aimed at otaku that are clearly banking on husbando/waifu appeal or sexually charged fujo/yuribaiting with high school aged characters and then they act shocked that fans are correctly picking up on pandering.
>this is why I'm a vnfagI don't know if it's that safe even if most VN fans tend to go too far in the other direction. I came across a proship DNI type once that was into the Kuni no Alice series (a series of otome games where the 17 year old protagonist can have a threesome with 13 year old twins and date characters who are over 30) so you'd be surprised at the level of mental gymnastics people can perform when the
problematic elements are within a piece of media they're fixated on rather than being contained to fanworks only.
No. 2337780
>>2337671Wow, so anyone neutral's a nazi now? I legitimately don't understand antis and their retarded hot takes. They want all media scrubbed clean of "
problematic content" yet watch it when no one's looking.
No. 2337818
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>>2337671Give her time and soon she'll be openly posting about the latest oneshot she read on myreadingmanga instead of doing it in secret. It's inevitable.
No. 2337908
>>2337818Sage for blog, but I use to like yaoi pairings when I was in elementary. It was all sfw ofc
and sonic related but I didn't really mind it. Then I got into my teens to very early twenties swearing off all bl content because how can something be hot if no woman? This was also the time I deemed myself "gay" as everyone else in my circle was some kind of gendie or qwueer person. After some years, I started liking yaoi again despite all roads leading to some kind fauxbian genderspecial.
No. 2337978
>>2337671>equivalent to racists and pedosAnd this is why I can't take antis seriously, they're retarded.
On the other hand, proshippers are insufferable when they act like NLOGs about their "
problematic content," it is what it is.
No. 2338022
>>2337949It's insane how many furries are into this kind of discourse. I remember stumbling upon an arguement about animal dicks and how people into animal dicks were zoophiles and there were doing the whole 'what's so attractive about animal genitalia, huh' as if they weren't all furries who's whole identities revolved around finding animals sexually attractive anyway.
>>2337985I have to wonder if furry stuff will ever end up on the list of
problematic genres at some point because of how it becomes difficult to make arguments against loli/shota if you're into it, or if it's too entrenched at this point.
I don't think furry porn is actually as morally abhorrent as lolicon, but it's weird how comparatively lenient the attitude towards it is especially when there's so many well known IRL furry creeps and scandals involing real animals.
No. 2338042
>>2338009They're still getting off to animal features that do exist in real life like animal muzzles/snouts and genitalia and many of them pipeline into fucking actual animals because of it. That's not a defense.
>>2338022Furries legitimately believe their bad reputation is because of feral NSFW and not because they're getting off to animals at all. They're extremely delusional and incapable of moralfagging in a way that doesn't validate everyone's thoughts of them.
No. 2338149
>>2337671All I have to say about this is: I don't think there's anything in the entire world I could give less of a shit about than women thinking some 6ft tall teenage anime bishies are cute. The fact that there's zero nuance to say maybe there's a difference between that and eroguro lolishit is retarded and entirely the problem with the "proship" label. If adopted sibling ships are irredeemably
problematic, anthro furry porn should be too. I know everyone else is talking about it but seriously how the fuck is furry porn not considered
problematic if you're not a zoophile why does your porn NEED to have animal features in it?? The standards of what is and isn't considered "proship" are fucking mindboggling.
All moids should have a grenade forcibly surgically implanted into their balls that detonates if they ever get a boner even once in their entire life. Ultimately, the most "wholesome" of moids is still infinitely more likely to be a rapist than some nerdy woman who likes
problematic ships.
The lack of moral nuance, along with the fact that most everyone in this debate is some flavor of gendie and has to ignore the overrepresentation of "amabs" in sexual violence statistics in order to maintain their TWAW worldview, means nobody on either side has anything valuable to contribute. That's not even mentioning that a lot of "antis" still support irl prostitution/porn and call women SWERFs.
No. 2338154
>>2338149Tbh I don't get it when even compared to lolishota, the amount of pedo, zoophile, and other degen cases connected to the furry community is pretty out there.
Not saying that it's worse, just that I don't get the mindset that they're completely different when furry shit seems to get involved with a lot with criminal acts.
No. 2338210
>>2338152>NTA but I've always viewed furry stuff as liking vampires, robots or monsters.Vampires are basically humans with fangs
Robots are whatever you program+design them to be
Monsters is vague as fuck
I don’t think they’re like furries
No. 2338219
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>>2338215This is something I never quite got. Watching anime fans and furries fight over moral and ethical superiority will always read as pic related because anime and furry are communities that create and support the ability to be increasingly degenerate and morally bankrupt.
No. 2338272
>>2338244>>2338255The original point was that it's pretty fucking weird that furfags aren't considered at a similiar level despite the amount of crime attached to it.
The fact that you're seething at people questioning this while still going on how all weebs are pedos is just making point that furfags are defensive as hell.
No. 2338277
>>2338270People thought furries were zoophiles way before anything about Kero came out.
>who even actually cares about the ethics of anthropomorphic animals being lewded?Furries do considering they're constantly moralfagging over it even though all of them are getting off to animals.
No. 2338278
>>2338275Eh, if furfags were a similiar level, there'd be the Disney version of
>>2338247, but instead it's "furfag is different, they don't look like animals."
No. 2338292
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>>2338291You think women don't like to draw anthro furry girls too?
No. 2338293
>>2338289"they're all degenerates" and "they are all pedophiles" are two very different sentences.
Nowadays, people seem to really ignore the weight of the word "pedophile". It's not a normal insult, it's a term meant to describe monsters who want to assault children.
No. 2338295
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>>2338291NTA but it's not caping for scrotes to say these two things are not equal like Lola Bunny was CLEARLY designed to resemble an adult woman with Rabbit-like features and not a real rabbit…
No. 2338313
>all weeaboos are pedophiles>all furries are zoophilesCome on, there has to be more nuance than this. There's clearly a distinction between fan of animes and pedophile otaku who wants to fuck children and there is clearly a distinction between fan of anthros and zoophile autist who wants to fuck dogs. Both communities, very obviously, have the ability and proven potential for serious harm but it can also be a non-issue interest for some. Also, there's
>>2338306, it's not because it's furry or anime that causes this but because of perverted men and their pickmes. Why is this even an argument?
No. 2338339
>>2338328This thread was bantering that anybody who likes anime in anyway is basically a pedo including those on this site while also bantering that moids will be moids and generalizations are bad so it doesn't matter if multiple furries were caught as fr fr nonbants pedos, almost like the word pedophile doesn't mean that much anymore.
It's pure fucking brainrot.
No. 2338664
>>2326507Make
A
New
Character
No. 2338669
>>2326108It’ll be really funny to see the racist Indians who normally go on about woke diversity all of a sudden defending it because it’s now them.
The shift online discussions due to Indians and diaspora becoming more prominent has been a bit weird to see. China really lucked out with the whole firewall thing
No. 2338674
>>2329592>Fandom only consumes Western/White or East Asian media>People that make “Fandomable” media are either Westerners or East Asians>Fandom spits out fanwork that features White or East AsiansDamn
Colour me surprised
No. 2338776
>>2328556> the worst is 3 pages of nonstop introspection Tell that to Patrick Bateman lmaoooo
this is fucking hilarious because this was the exact reason why I stopped reading fiction with male protagonists. just boring ass internal monologue, even worse actually, since men I guess don't care about emotions and character. so just pointless drivel that didn't move plot.
No. 2338929
>>2338836> if you like some aspects of anthromorphism but dislike the insistence of dogfucker and animal bits, does that make one furry? Does watching some anime or drawing in an anime inspired art style make one a lolicon? As long as someone acts pretty normie or casual then they aren't, imo.This is something I think about too. I've always viewed it as
>individual into anthropomorphism =/= furry>individual into anime =/= weeabooI personally think an issue with general communities based on a common media and or concept is that there are cases, unfortunately common ones, wherein a person will go to far and attribute one's own interest as a concrete aspect of their personality and or identity and a lot of the time, these issues that we see associated with each community (zoophilic and pedophilic tendencies respectively) tend to occur because of this. You have perverted people that turn something neutral into something perverted. It's a matter of perspective. Sixteen year old Mary Jones isn't a pedophile otaku because she happens to read shoujo manga and dreams of being a Japanese idol and Sixteen year old Kimberly Anderson isn't a zoophile furry because she makes anthro demon wolf OCs and draws fight scenes with them. It's easy to say that these communities are inherently degenerate, and to some extent I agree that they have origins that are, but there's a nuance to the people in those communities and I do think it can be a sliding scale. At the end of the day, these interests only become issues when they start to distort your sexuality to the side of abnormality and give you illegal or ethically wrong proclivities.
No. 2338937
>>2338929Also, if you think about it, degenerate otaku and furry shit was
hijacked from wholesome content which appealed to women and kids. Lolishit was taken from cute shoujo aesthetics which was drawn by women for women, and furryshit was taken from Disney and other talking animal cartoons/stories with a target audience of children. It's not fair to get on absolutely everyone's case for getting enmeshed in these fandoms, it's the degenerates who are intruding on
everybody else. No. 2339218
>>2338929>It's easy to say that these communities are inherently degenerateIt didn't help that both Disney and anime instilled the seeds which sprouted the first furry and weeb communities. As much as both deny it, if tesuka wasn't inspired by the disney and if disney hadn't drawn from the wealth of anthromorphism in fables and myths, neither weebs nor furries would exist. Sure, that might be the dream to some but you have to understand that these things had gone on to influence the wider scopes of pop culture. Some minor players had a hand in it like warner brothers but most of the furries I've known got their start from robin hood or more recently the zootopia movie. There's also MHA and SAO for many a weeb's gateway to anime.
No matter how one sees it, both the furry and anime communities are so intertwined that to deny any connection is simply retarded. Kemono is literally the weeb version of a furry for Christ sake. CMIMW as I'm not nearly as entrenched in either community.
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>>2331332This kind of retarded ‘muhhh lesbian yuri = realll feminism!!!’ discourse hits a specific funny bone in my body that gets me seeing red. Wanting to fuck other women is NOT what feminism is about
regardless of your gender, when will these retards learn? Do they seriously think that being a women who chimps out at the sight of boobs and ass would make Sylvia Plath shed a tear? Being a feminist is about supporting women who choose to take on the role of active purveyor under the patriarchy, and reject content where our gender is the one being objectified, consumed and sexualised. Feminism is NOT fawning over coomslop and waifubait made by incels for other incels. If I have to explain this one more time, I’m going to fucking a-log and I will take the ban with my chin held high.
No. 2339264
>>2332548These people always bring up the argument
> Fujos are misogynists because they hate women who get in the way of their yaoi!!!But how is it even possible for every single yaoi ship to have a triangle dynamic that gives this argument any real weight? A handful of older Tumblr medias is the most I can think of. But they always act like it’s such a ‘gotcha!’ when in reality they’d start malding about heterosexual ships and yumes if you DID start shipping the girl with one of the men kekkkk
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>>2333929My evil little guilty pleasure is openly using the word ‘faggot’ around TIFs as a proudly heterosexual woman and watching them all squirm because they’ve already made up their little autistic theories that I’m an ‘egg’ that will eventually join their cult so they can’t bring themselves to invalidate their own delusions to tell me off for it KEKKKKKK it cracks me up every time
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>>2335132What the hell? I thought you were trolling at first, but even as a dedicated Sethos main I had no clue this was a thing within the fandom. Tbh, I did hear rumours that Da Wei was pushing Sethoscara to frame Wanderer as gay and avoid upsetting Nahida/Theresafag incels after her birthday event. Reading this just makes me sad though. Not only do Wanderer fans act like this apparently, but actual Sethoscara shippers treat him like an empty meat dildo for their precious little puppet boy. All that when Sethos is a sweet and loveable character in his own right. My darling, you deserve so much better than getting caught up in this mess. I can feel myself genuinely starting to spite Wanderer and his fans after this.
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>>2339289
Samefagging but I just finished reading everyone’s posts slandering Sethos on top of OP and I’m genuinely taken aback. Do people really hate him that much? I’ve always had fun making him my No.1 since he fits into the irrelevant short male niche and therefore his fans get left alone by most of the fandom. I’m just shocked knowing that that it’s only been so quiet, not because people are indifferent but because they actively despise him. Damn.
No. 2339360
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>>2339328Aw, thank you nona! I personally think he has such a pleasing design, especially from behind when you’re exploring with that slim waist and low back window + floof. His voice acting is also surprisingly natural for Genshin and has a ‘playful boyfriend’ feel to it. But I’ll stop myself there before this turns into an off-topic husbando sperg, kek.
No. 2339373
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Something something god forbid women have anything something something
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No. 2339656
>>2339373I get it, but also moids get to have unrealistic big titty waifus with perfect bodies in every piece of media ever, this is literally nothing compared to that.
Also I love how only Larry (the sex pest) has visible leg hair.
>>2339516Wild to see someone on Tumblr openly call TIFs out for this, and also calling them "she".
No. 2340081
>>2340072Because at one point we (read: tumblr) decided that all headcanons are
valid, no matter how out there they are. So now if you say that no, Character X is not fat/trans/a super wholesome person despite being a mass murderer in canon, you're the baddie.
We should have never stopped gatekeeping fandoms.
No. 2340093
>>2340072Honestly very unlikely to be a fetish related at all. People like this get uncomfortable looking at art of conventionally attractive people because they feel it’s discriminatory towards uglies and that makes them feel like they are being prejudiced for enjoying it.
I sometimes see an argument that they are jealous of drawings but IMO that’s not as big of a factor, people get like this with traits that have nothing to do with them, like in this case male musculature (there’s no way that poster is a man).
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It's weird how many wokies seem to hate rowling and allegedly hate hp, but still want to 'claim' hp as theirs somehow
No. 2340571
>>2339357I think you're exactly right that they see homophobia is a non issue, and especially in the context of their posts which are usually about gay ships. It's like they're overconfident about having the moral highground because of shipping, the amount of times I've seen them call a man a fag for swishy hand gestures or something makes it seem like we've gone full circle back to good old fashioned homophobia. Mainly it's just shocking to me that the biggest SJWs are the first to unapologetically start using slurs again without even a hint of self doubt.
>>2340510I promise those women aren't using it because of based misandry or to give gay men a taste of their own medicine, they're saying it because trannies normalized homophobia and being shameless about inserting yourself into and larping as another demographic. TIFs revel in saying faggot the way TIMs revel in wearing their sister's underwear.
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>>2340465I don’t know about the other one because she locked, but that first person is an hp fan and a radfem who follows jk. It’s not that weird that feminists/minorities will have different and varied opinions. The wokies who hate hp hate it because of troon reasons. That doesn’t rule out every wokie, some of whom probably even share similar beliefs as nonas here. After all, feminism also gets derided as “woke”. I notice a lot of black feminists who share nearly the same values but are basically split when it comes to troon issues.
No. 2341000
>>2340873>Anything suggestive, explicit, harmful involving real life people >Using art to harass on an individual level Without consent. Those feel like obvious ones to me. Excluding public figures in politics/business/power-positions.
I don't care about appearance changes of any kind. If there's an issue that comes from a place of ignorance within someone's art, I'd rather people educate and move on than whine and try to start a smear campaign.
No. 2341100
>>2340488Same. I don't subscribe to the whole reclaiming a slur rhetoric either, as a lesbian I will never cherish the word "dyke" and the only times I will be using it is when I'm being ironic.
>>2340571>TIFs revel in saying faggot the way TIMs revel in wearing their sister's underwear.This. It's honestly baffling how normalized homophobia has overall become now but it figures when right wing retards are rubbing shoulders with (male) troons but wouldn't be caught dead with a homosexual person. It's made its way into fandom shipping too, unless you ship a popular same sex ship characters in a straight ship you're being "biphobic", these people have become so fucking sly about how much they hate gay people they're just one capitol hill event away from dropping the mask in full.
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>Log on to Xwitter
>Post some ship art I drew
>The characters are both adults, but there's a seven-year age difference
>Check back a few hours later
>The mentions are full of wokescolds fighting about whether the age difference is "problematic"
The internet is a deeply retarded place
No. 2341587
>>2341580A few years ago on Tumblr, I got some VERY pissed off messages from an anon sperging that I was a peadophile, I was breaking the law, I deserved to die etc…because I reblogged artwork of cartoon characters who were
older than me in swimming trunks. I can't believe this moralfagging retardation has not only lasted for as long as it has, but pretty much dominates fandom social media now. Are you in danger of getting cancelled?
No. 2341675
>>2341655I get the concern when it comes to real life age gap couples, but I don't understand why people give a shit with fictional characters. Even if it would be "
problematic" in real life, it's not real and often not canon. They always go after shipping instead of middle-aged male celebrities who date 20-something women.
No. 2341858
>>2341675I think it often became an offhand method of hating on a pairing, kind of like accusing a pairing of being incestuous because they have sibling energy or something.
>They always go after shipping instead of middle-aged male celebrities who date 20-something women.almost every single time I've seen age gap discourse it has been about characters in their mid to late twenties or thirties, or even someone in their 30s dating someone in their 40s. It gets to a point where it gets completely detached from reality, that doesn't stop it from possibly being a negative relationship but it's fiction so who cares? It's just a shitty relationship between two older adults that exists every day also in real life. I'm biased though, I rarely interact with anything that doesn't have a majority or total adult cast these days. It stops fucking mattering once everyone has a job or has the maturity or smarts to defend themselves unless they quite literally get duped or lied to
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do you think this is an accurate explanation for why straight women give troon hc's for male characters?
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>>2342407Reminds me of the dragon maid controversy a few years back
she passed away due to COVID No. 2343340
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What is it about Mouthwashing that's making zoomers suck this game's dick so much? The message of the game is literally just "rape bad" and "take responsibility or else bad things can happen". As if no adult with a sound mind already understands these extremely basic messages. How is this thought-provoking at all? Even Ratatouille has a slightly more interesting message with, "not everyone can be an artist, but a good artist can come from anywhere". It can't be the message of the game that's so "deep" and "complex", because it's really not. So what is the appeal then? Is it the PS1 graphics? I'm sick of indieslop developers using this design over and over just to jerk their nostalgia dicks off. I'm gonna keep it real there. Gameplays taught me that this is an obnoxious walking simulator. Like my god, walking around is the vast majority of what you do in the damn game. The rest is mainly learning realizing that Jimmy is a shit tier moid, that Anya is such a vanilla-ass character that's just meant to suffer for Jimmy's characterization and the extremely basic message of the story, and how the pathetic the rest of the cast is. Speaking of cast, Why do retards keep riding this burnt nigga Curly's dick? Curly is basically every fuckwit who looks at a straight up rapist and proceeds to play devil's advocate by giving them no social consequences. If you hate Jimmy, which you should, you need to hate Curly too, but every fan of this game sucks Curly's dick as if he's such an awesome character. Nigga, fuck him. I'm convinced that the actual reason why zoomers, the type of zoomers that got raised on Tumblr, love this game and won't shut up about it is because even though they sob about "muh media literacy", they think this game is cool and interesting just because it has dark elements in it, like the rape that twitterfag artists love to fetishize. Zoomers seem to have a reoccuring problem with thinking a story is easily groundbreaking and worth making a 45 minute to 1-hour long video in tribute to how it's the "darkest game you have mysteriously never played and failed to understand", just because it has shit like suicide, rape, and murder in it. That, and the "fujobait" between that nuked Ken doll and the ambiguously latino ("usual suspect") rapist of the story. Because where there's any media where you can draw two moid characters having faggot sex, you can expect a sizable amount of fujos jumping into the fandom and making the media bigger than it should be just to justify drawing and writing yet another fanfiction where two main male characters have some nasty ass angst sex.
I am high on edibles, I am drunk on wine. Fuck this overrated game, and fuck all the dipshits who think you're "media illiterate" for not treating it like it's the deepest video game to be released in recent times like it's Silent Hill 2.0 or something.
Anyway, I'm gonna go back to being high on edibles and tipsy on wine. Bye, niggas.
No. 2343348
>>2343340I think that's literally the only reason the fandom likes Curly so much kek, because they can draw him
being raped by the protagonist.
No. 2343351
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There’s an artist in the Arcane fandom currently getting dogpiled for drawing Vi x Jinx. While I personally feel very uncomfortable with the ship myself, I can’t help but feel some kind of sick vindication when I see ‘problematic’ female artists standing up for themselves like this. Sure, she’s in the wrong, but scrote artists shit lolicon and incest out by the bucketload on your average Tuesday and walk away scott-free while female fans only target fellow women because they think it’s ‘easier’ to take them down. It’s dumb but I love the gratification of seeing them kick back.
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>>2343340i liked the game a lot. i was following its production for months and the official discord server was totally dead up til final release, when we saw (non-burned) curly and jimmy's faces.
the fandom lives and dies by fucking jimmy and curly. if they had been made nonwhite, or women, or ugly/fat/old, then mouthwashing fnadom wouldn't exist to this degree. think about that.
No. 2343374
>>2343372she did. from what i understand, the creator of homicipher was extremely stressed by the culture shock of the way american fans interact with creators. apparently it's considered extremely rude to directly speak to developers in japan unless they're inviting it, like PMing them questions such as "are you making a sequel" or whatever else.
>>2343371if both jimmy and curly resembled swansea, again, this fandom would be nonexistent.
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I am so tired of video essays. Gendies took a good concept and ruined it by making it self-congratulating and pretentious. I blame lindsay ellis for this. Why cant we have a female nostalgia critic(lindsay was but is now ashamed of her past) that just enjoys playing a characters and reviewing a movie for fun? instead we have insufferable neets with expensive useless degrees on HRT cocktails trying to look intelligent while talking about childrens movies. How do you manage to make someone(me) who still enjoys nostalgia critic videos cringe? i thought i was inmmune to it, but alas gendies proved me otherwise.
No. 2343387
>>2343385Yeah, non surprisingly, the sjw's moralfaggers are just shaming women for having a sex drive. Those assholes are really no different than the puritanical moids they claim to hate.
I had a friend who once showed me an in depth chart revealing how the most outspoken "antis" are actually just irl pedos who usually get in trouble for grooming minors on discord or some shit.
There was a LOT of them.
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They don't dare shit on loli/Cute Girls Doing Lesbian Things/fanservice shows these days, but fujo are an easy target for their 'anti-problematic' crusade.
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>>2343461because when women do it to men is bad when men do it to women its an anime classic
No. 2343476
>>2343378Lindsay Ellis actually did extensive research for her videos and got over her most cringiest tryhard wokeist phase at some point, and her recent video about Yoko Ono was kino. I used to have a massive hate boner for her but she redeemed herself in my eyes, and I think these "queer marxist analysis" video essays were more inspired by Contrapoints than anyone else.
>>2343379Agree about this though, I'm a retard who still thinks those old Nostalgia Critic videos from 2009 are genuinely hilarious and every now and then enjoys his newer ones which follow the old format with the lack of cutaway skits (possibly due to budget cuts), but he's no artiste and every time he tries to spread his creative wing it fails miserably. Demo Reel and The Wall review are the shining examples of this. But he's always been a pretty good sport about people making fun of him, he's himself told a story of how his dad saw him acting snooty at a fan at the beginning of his career and gave him a stern talking to about it which influenced how he addresses criticism.
Also sorry about triple reposts nonnies, I accidentally fucked up kek
No. 2343558
>>2343461God, the potent Redditfag
stench in these reviews.
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I can't deal with edgy idiots that claim to have problematic favs but every time that fav does something actually shitty they trip over themselves trying to justify his actions like come on just own it that you like a fictional shithead! Aren't you the ones always lecturing about how fiction isn't reality? Why do you feel the need to constantly whitewash your so called problematic favs? Just accept him as he is! Anytime someone mentions the fact that what their spicy husbando did was morally wrong during worldbuilding discussions or something in a neutral manner, they get all vicious and start accusing the poster of puritanism and whatnot. How can you deal with the cognitive dissonance of building your internet persona based on how open you are morally questionable things in a fictional context and also constantly trying to prove how your fav akshually just a misunderstood bean uwu and other fans who aren't as delulu are just haters!!
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>>2343461Why were these paragons of righteousness watching icky
problematic yaoi to begin with?
No. 2343594
>>2343572I hate yaoi (not because it's
problematic, I just find it cringe) but at least I stick to my word. I'd get an aneurysm if I had to watch one single cap of these series let alone a whole ass season or several other similar shows. Yet these people, allegedly publicly against yaoi and everything related to it, can't stop themselves from watching it to the point they can even posts full on analysis about it kek
No. 2343601
>>2343569It's always the self proclaimed number one fans of
problematic characters who act smug, claiming they understand the character better than anyone else doing this, kek. I have a few genuinely
problematic faves and I really don't care what others think of me husbandoing them because 1) it's fiction and 2) liking an evil character doesn't mean I condone their actions in real life. It's really that simple.
No. 2343610
>>2343572Exactly, I honestly get people getting mad in places lile here, where you have no option but to be exposed to what you don't like (and even then it's not justified to whine because you can just hide whatever threads you don't want to see as quickly as they pop out) but I always wonder how those retards that complain about something they don't like, somehow manage to always interact with the things they don't like enough to post reviews and shit.
Like I know it's difficult to make the algorithm understand so you always see whatever you want to see, but if they're permanently online enough to get constant new content, then they're permanently online enough to fix their own main pages to see whatever the fuck they want to see.
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Wait for it…
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>>2343647And there it is. Fascinating how the two main spaces online in which you tend to see this kind of pseudo-sexual, violent language towards women is within far-right misogyny cults and ‘UwU unproblematic yuri lesbian transfem girlcock!’ communities. Almost as if… but no, I shan’t.
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>>2343655lmao kek, knew it had to be a malding TIM, by the nature of his reply, you'd think it was about outing an abuser, kek.
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>>2343655the lack of self awareness kekekekekeke
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>>2343374>extremely stressed by the culture shock of the way american fans interact with creatorsI've seen this happen with another indie game that gained the majority of it's fans after being translated into english. The dev got caught up in the middle of typical western fandom ship wars and seems to be unsure on how to make sense of or respond to it, see picrel.
I think her behavior, like banning all edits and constantly giving responses to trivial fan complaints she's apparently received and would clearly be better off completely ignoring, could seem kind of cowish without context but I feel pretty bad for her because she clearly got thrown in at the deep end since the fans skew towards the younger side. The games themselves are so inoffensive too.
No. 2343772
>>2343569What gets to me is it's almost always male characters and they end up getting boxed into the same cookie cutter fandom box. I saw it happen in real time to a character who went from being the most hated to the most liked in a span of a season and now he has very rabid fans as well as haters. Huge fall in quality of his fanart as well.
>>2343378I like LuckyLeftie on tiktok but something about how she films and records her stuff gets to me idk why.
She's not very pretentious at all actually. Give her a shot i guess.
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Moids (who usually had underaged or VERY underaged waifus) started the whole waifu/husbando culture though.
No. 2343824
>>2343340I just liked the interesting way they did the horror elements and Jimmy and Curly fucking art
I’m not super dedicated to it but I think it’s a good enough game.
No. 2343883
>>2343845You have to take into account that it's also really difficult to understand that a comment like "omg this is so beautiful I hate you/I'm going to kms" or any kind of retarded zoomer slang when your English isn't very good, which is often the case for Japanese artists. Twitter idiots have been told time and again not to comment stuff like that and yet they don't learn. Add to that the actual harassment a lot of Asian artists get because in burger side of fandoms absolutely everything is considered
problematic nowadays, and they are really sensitive when it comes to interacting with non-Asians. Rightfully so, imo.
No. 2343905
>>2343819If English/western speaking self-shippers are going to continue being so anal about ~
problematic~ content, I seriously hope that means they'll stop claiming the yumejoshi label. I can't even begin to image how they'd react if they saw the content Japanese yumejoshi's create, or the characters they self-ship with.
No. 2343923
>>2343819Not just underaged, 2D love culture only began because of lolis specifically. People like this need to accept that trying to gatekeep
problematic shit from 2D love spaces will always be a lost cause and block as they need.
No. 2343933
>>2343569I've seen some that have the decency to own that they love
problematic chars. But then they make themselves look insecure by constantly reminding everyone that they think "cute, fluffy" chars are "boring."
No. 2343976
>>2343351It probably sucks so much to be a yurifag and like
problematic ships.
No. 2343980
>>2343976You get absolutely lambasted in the Arcane fandom if you ship
anything except CaitVi kek. I like that ship by the way so I'm not being biased.
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>>2343819Tumblr gendie yumes are so uppity about this shit. Like
oh no some autistic woman is in love with Bakugou, this is definitely a moral outrage and we should cancel her and call the cops No. 2344209
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>>2344205Samefag this is just ridiculous. This is like moral OCD tier and almost the whole community is like this
No. 2344214
>>2344077>they're STILL scared that Jayvik will eventually "overtake" Caitvi as the most popular shipKek, speaking as someone who really likes CaitVi, who cares if it
does? This seems like something they wouldn't worry about if they made their own content instead of whining about everyone else's creations.
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I just want female fans to stop fighting with eachother. Its so fucking tiring to go on twitter and see himes and fujos fighting all the time. Anime is probably the only genre we will ever have that has princely women and cute men, it's so insane to me that people will fight about the morality of it just because female socialization dictates that women can only have the purest of tastes ever or else they are not elegible for feminism and have their rights to live revoked or some other dumb crap. Like shit, its supposed to be fucking escapism, its really not that deep.
No. 2344342
>>2344261>women can only have the purest of tastes ever or else they are not elegible for feminismYou really can't win with the types that fight over this shit. I have some degenerate taste but also don't like some stuff considered "
problematic". So somehow I'm considered both an anti and proshipper that doesn't deserve feminism kek
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>>2344261>women can only have the purest of tastes ever or else they are not elegible for feminism and have their rights to live revokedI'd argue that women who think this way are more harmful to feminism than a women who likes ""dark romance"" ever will be. No one ever says this shit about the content males consume and create, and yet somehow a woman is responsible for the moral failings of men because she dared to depict rape as hot or some other shit.
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>>2344407>because she dared to depict rape as hot or some other shittbh it's even worse when something aimed to women has female on male rape depicted as hot. Retards whining about "BUT IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED" as if they're equal.
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No. 2344834
>>2344261I agree but women's fandom spaces are almost more tribal than mens. We may be less ape-brained but we're no less vicious. Have you seen top/bottom discourse in fujo spaces? Or self-ship jealousy wars in yume spaces? Or anti-yaoi sperging in hime spaces? Maybe I'm a pessimist but I don't see a future where we can all sing kumbayah when women have
very different ways of engaging with the same media that inherently conflict with one another.
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>>2344832>>2344852kek I was about to comment the same thing. My first husbando was a minor villain in Inuyasha that I could only see randomly at like three in the morning when episodes played.
No. 2345399
>>2344787Fwiw, dropped it a long time ago but iirc it's an action comedy where at first, the premise was a dude that looks like that and doesn't ever talk is actually a super crazy op legendaru assassin. The juxtaposition between him and all the other characters sent to attack him is the joke.
After a while he starts being able to transform from old to hot mode by sweating or something.
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Same trannies will try to find depth in a coombait and pass it off as a great example of feminism. I truly believe fujos and yumes should band against trannies while himes will turn every single one of their crushes into terfs, telling them to join the 41%.
No. 2346630
>>2346473Male intrasex competition with cute, fit, male fictional characters marketed to women as a female gazey fantasy? That's not very forcefem sissy hypno lesbian of him.
It's funny as fuck that he gets cute fictional moids shoved in his face to remind him of what he could have worked to become, but he gave up that future for a non-functioning dick and no friends. I mean, nothing would have saved him from the wall, but still. Dude's competing with a set of pixels and still loses.
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>>2346473The way troons talk about media popular with actual women makes me kek, especially the uwu lesbian this is
problematic type of troon
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>>2346630>>2346770what's worse is fandomtards will never call these obviously insecure men what they are and instead call them misandrists
No. 2346922
>>2346630>Dude's competing with a set of pixels and still loses.This is exactly what I thought when I was reading these tweets. The jealousy and seething is just seeping through so hilariously hard and the "rapey" feel comes from their innate heterosexual feeling of being bothered by another man coming onto them.
>>2346702This is genuinely on par with those pathetic "we as heterosexual men are hurt by fujos fetishizing male friendship and making them gay!" takes I've seen recently. Men learning deceptive therapy talk to be openly petty and whiny about female interests they can't coom to makes my head hurt.
No. 2347144
>>2346473>ldsThe male mc discourse didn't work, so the tranny bludgeon is going to be used and you can bet retards are going to ally with literal tranny males to attack an otome game on top of it.
>>2347132I hate ABO and I hate the retarded autists who can't understand it's just a (bad) porn trope and have extrapolated it into the most retarded form of categorization of characters and people and at worse activism. Letting your child have unrestricted internet access should be a crime
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>>2346702This take fascinates me for how narcissistic it is. No sane heterosexual woman wants to fuck your disgusting rot packet, holy shit. Even the thought of a troon naked is more of a turn off than swallowing vomit. I like my men feminine WITH dick and balls. They’re still mentally sane, non-attention-seeking men free of gender delusions. Cry about it.
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>>2346702This troon really thinks he looks like this, the delusion. I have literally never seen a yaoi uke/seme with a doughy gynecomastia faggy body like troons have after their horse piss pills.
No. 2348804
>>2346842Jerry is so misogynistic that it legit makes me uncomfortable
From molesting his sister to screaming his fucking head off at female cartoon creators
The woman who did Star vs didn’t even do anything wrong but with the way he’s yelling at her you’d think she endorsed hitler.
No. 2348862
>>2346702The way they constantly want to have their cake and eat it too always amazes me. If a woman had said this they'd instantly go
>REEEEEE of course you TME cunts can't hide that you see transwomen as gay men. Also, it's so obvious he just copied and pasted women's feminist analysis of BL, the fact that it's used to explore taboo parts of female sexuality without having to consume the usual male violence against women has been repeated ad nauseam, of course it made it to tranny side of Xitter for them to pretend they made some grand psychological discovery (and gaslight themselves into believing female chasers are actually real)
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I really dislike takes like this because I know it's just a way for these people to cope with the fact that they ignore almost everything about a female character and spend 99% of the time talking about some male character and uwu-fying him
No. 2348967
>>2348949I always interpreted it as them saying
>Cool female character>But I want to take my anger out on a male characterAnd then they proceed to write degrading fanfics and shit judging by the state of ao3 for the past several years. They "don't care" about the female characters because it's not a priority.
No. 2348975
>>2348912if you make it deep/intellectualise something to do with sexuality/sexual interests, you distance it from low, dirty things like personal enjoyment/gratification or porn (as a concept, not industry) and 'elevate' it into something more respectable. Women do this all the fucking time for pretty obvious and long-standing reasons, but you'll see men do similar things when trying to sell blatant coom media as actually being
super meaningful and only
incidentally horny, because they know it's gross and are trying to make it more palatable so they can sperg about it free of judgement or discomfort.
or, y'know, some people just like to try and figure things out, usually through a given lens as a starting point, even if sometimes they think they're working with a 1000 piece puzzle set and not a 4 piece one and draw some skewed conclusions.
>>2348949if you can't say your favourite character of either sex probably should have been thrown out of a window at some point one moment, then champion them the next, are they really your favourite? granted, it's harder in a lot of fandom spaces to even affectionately be 'mean' towards a female character, let alone critical, which encourages fans to whitewash a female character's flaws and actions or outright ignore her existence entirely (seen this occur in a couple of my fandoms)
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>>2348949I mean I kind of get it
No. 2349104
>>2349094Just look at the yume vs. the bl thread, there's a clear difference between how people react to things like ryona and submissiveness in male vs. female characters.
Calling it sexist is ridiculous though, its simply that female characters being crybaby damsels is way too common.
No. 2349147
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>>2349109>>2349119>>2348979I have to ask, if they get tortured or sexually abused, is it by another taller and larger man? does the 'male' also end up pregnant or experience physical functions that women do, like pregnancy? Because if any of those traits are true, I have to break it to you: you are actually abusing a female character with male pronouns
(fujosperging) No. 2349152
>>2349147No to both and it's also not the case in your
furry pic either, don't know why you keep posting it when the ship is with a walking on all fours
dog.
No. 2349169
>>2349162DA, Probably sexual abuse
victims who want a male to suffer
No. 2349171
>>2349161I think some moid writers definitely write female characters in a way that they obviously wouldn’t with male characters (more violence being inflicted on them for instance)
But I think it’s pretty retarded to compare this to women writing mpreg fics on ao3.
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>>2349161It's not hate at the suffering, if you read carefully they're talking about the reactions to it online as a fetish.
If you want pregnant women, here's pic related for you.
No. 2349178
>>2349175How is mpreg troon propaganda kek
It’s just fetish writing
No. 2349222
>>2348949This reminds me of that cringe Tumblr saying about how bisexuals love three men and all women or something like that. Like these women feel guilty or "unfeminist" for liking male characters, so they say shit like
>he's my little trash rat, I want to put him in a hydraulic press, I want to crush him up and snort himabout male characters, and then performatively say things like
>omg kween step on me, I would die for her, she can do no wrongabout female characters. I guess there's nothing necessarily wrong with it, it just strikes me as weird.
No. 2349234
>>2348975I have a female character I like, but it's impossible to interact with her fans. They're either repeating how pretty she is and nothing else or only paying attention to the parts of her character that could support her famous ship. I feel completely alone and isolated for not caring about either. I actually think her flaws are part of her appeal, but with female characters in fandoms, it seems it's either you idolize her or you hate/ignore them because she's getting in the way of some ship.
>>2349094Female characters get praised and loved for the same surface level reasons that male characters do. As someone who has both female and male favorites, I can say the quality isn't that different. All these fake "deep analysis" on their blorbos are mostly retarded projections and coping. More often than not they are worthless and if more people did those with female characters, the quality wouldn't increase. It would be just a new collection of delusions. I actually wished people would see the characters for whay they are in the media, before projecting all their struggles into the characters. But the latter is way more common and inevitable with modern fandoms.
No. 2349275
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>>2349259Love children just be like that
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>>2349259Not an mpreg enjoyer, but I think it's funny just for the horrified reactions it elicits from normies and scrotes
inb4 "ree fake feminist cope" whenever it floats downstream into their spaces. Spoilered for infamous MHA autism.
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Can the anons sperging out over muh troon propaganda mpreg please go back to the fujo/antifujo containment zone? Seriously, it's like they copy and paste the same shit every single day.
No. 2349301
>>2349297Agree. It's edged too far into fujo discourse territory imo.
>>2349288God this fuckin image makes me laugh every time I see it. I think there's something wrong with me
No. 2349304
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>>2349301It’s the weird baby rabbit asses that get me
No. 2349316
>>2349291Nona it should be obvious. Men are pornsick enough to like futa because its still an anime girl at the end of the day even if she has a shlong. They get
triggered by yaoi and mpreg specifically because they view gay sex and pregnancy as dehumanizing and objectifying. It's fun to watch them squirm and get a taste of what women feel daily from exposure to porn and fetishized pregnancy.
No. 2349408
>>2349222I'm the one who posted
>>2348949, and this is the exact point I was trying to make, I don't care if anyone's torturing a fictional male character. what I hate is fandomtards who are obviously overcompensating for the fact they are obsessed with a male character.
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>>2349429Still a love child though
No. 2349440
>>2349030Yeah, I don't care if I look performative to people like picrel
>>2348949, I'm tired of female characters being treated like shit and becoming the center of violent fantasies, so whenever I want to read weird, degenerate stuff, I pick the one thing without women in it.
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No. 2349453
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>>2349436The character isn't an oc, he gets shipped with the wolf.
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>>2349408Overcompensate for what exactly? No woman alive owes you a fucking apology for liking a male character more than a female one. REAL women around the world get raped, killed, domestically abused, sexually harassed, genitally mutilated, underaged wedded, trafficked and discriminated against on a daily basis and all you chronically online, fandom-brained retards can only ever seem to give a shit about misogyny when it comes to defending a bunch of non-existent pixels that will never inhale oxygen and shit out their arses. You are an embarrassment to actual feminists who give a shit about real-life issues. Grow the actual fuck up.
No. 2349478
>>2349312Nta, but I agree, especially about the second part. Both annoy me, but the second instance really feels so empty.
>>2349449These people are disconnected from reality, it's almost entertaining if it wasn't so pathetic.
No. 2349482
>>2349474overcompensating for being obsessed with a male character, why can't they just admit,
>"I like this character and may see myself in him, and I may ship him as well" don't do this "he's my special pathetic little babygirl" crap, because we all know it's disingenuous. I'm assuming I struck a nerve and listen, I don't give a single shit about which poorly designed genshin character you're obsessed with, just be honest about it
No. 2349484
>>2349465The show is cute, but yeah the wolf is a wolf.
Found the artist, yeah she poste oc puppies and also ships Natsume from Natsume's book of friends and the cat.
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>>2349222>>2348949the worst example of this is people taking clearly straight couples that they happen to like and insisting both characters are 'bi' I don't know if they genuinely believe it or use this as a shield from equally obsessed retards
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>>2349482Again with the:
> “Just be honest about the fact you’re a piece of shit who likes men!!!!!”Anti-yume/fujo rhetoric, which you and other handmaidens have tried to bring up every single time you get unbanned and try to bait everyone into joining your anti-husbando spergfest. Let me put it to you simply, since you clearly still can’t comprehend basic English after the 20th time this topic has resurfaced.
>> “””LE HONESTYYYYYY!!!! BE HONESTTTTT THAT YOU LIKE MENNNNN AND HATE WOMENNNNN REEEEE”””””Implies that there is anything inherently ‘dishonest’ or wrong about liking a male character more than a female character. There is not. No one owes you some kind of ‘confession’ for doing so. What you really want (which is glaringly obvious to anyone with half a braincell) is for husbandofags who do nothing but mind their own business to come grovelling at your feet because you can’t stand the idea that no one gives a shit about you and your personal favourite characters. Learn to cope and seethe in private, and keep your offtopic revenge fantasies about your personal irrelevance away from the thread in future.
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>>2349503>>2349513thankfully, things are changing. tiktok is being banned in america and facebook is removing troon content, porn bans are set to take place and china is clamping down hard on drawn and written erotica. the internet will basically be forced to be "less horny"
No. 2349564
>>2349547Nona, I think you’re projecting a bit. I get that the whole ‘babygirl skrunkly’ thing can seem weird and performative from the outside, but it’s just the modern version of your typical squee-ing ‘XD’ fangirling that’s existed for decades. I even feel tempted to use these terms for my favourite fictional boys sometimes because I just feel
that emotional and affectionate towards them (although I try to avoid doing so because of the troonish connotations). Like
>>2349551 said, it’s all just harmless fangirlisms and you should learn to see it for what it is. No one is trying to subvert anything
unless they’re a troon and that has nothing to do with 80% of normal husbandofags who fling around these terms in somewhat good faith.
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>>2349618Ok I'll be honest I haven't seen the movie and just saw the screencaps but it's still weird that they implied it so hard even if she isn't.
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yumes who self-insert into the boring love interest characters (picrel, nia teppelin, etc.) sicken me a little. they claim to love female characters but they only want them to be dolls or vehicles for shipping and they shit on everyone who hates them. i don't "hate women" i just hate that you can't envision a female character outside of some relation to men. yes, if her personality is "she's so wild no man can tame her!!!" is still her being defined around men kek
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>>2348949i cant belive waifufags are angry that women actually like female characters and dont want to abuse them like male ones, all for the sake of ''feminism'', too. Weird as fuck. This thread is so gross at times.
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>>2349147>is it by another taller and larger man?wtf is this argument, you know people come in all sizes right? you know there are women taller than men and men taller than other men, right? are taller, more masculine girls in yuri men to you too?
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>>2349763Utena is a man according to these anons kek
No. 2349799
>>2349482>why can't they just admit, >"I like this character and may see myself in him, and I may ship him as well"because people shouldn't have to write whole ass disclaimers and essays to justify liking a character? fandom moralfags are exhausting
>>2349752exactly. i like seeing males getting hurt. i like girlboss female characters and don't like seeing them hurt because there's already enough violence against women in media. simple as.
No. 2349930
>>2349746>as anyone else noticed a rise in them identifying as "fujoshi"Yes, and they do a terrible job at larping; you can spot them from a mile away. They are physically and mentally incapable of genuinely sperging out and writing miles long headcanon threads about a specific ship they like, just generic "wowee
toxic yaoi look at me I'm a smelly NEET fujo!" tweets. To them it's just trying to become the "degenerate female weeb" ideal and being a fujoshi is a step towards that (which they always fail).
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>>2349746its because a lot of pickme hikkichan larpers became popular with moids after videos like these so as tranny does they want to skinwalk the women they want to fuck
No. 2350016
>>2350014Seems like they do a lot of weird shit with him, someone posted a panel from a comic where he overslept and his school got shot up because of that.
I had a friend that made the joke when the first movie came out that he was going to turn white in the sequel because it had the same writer as VLD (if you know you know)
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>>2350016Also every time I picture him in my head now I just think of the Sakimichan swole one.
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>watch a bunch of old con footage
>everyone is cosplaying varied characters, some obscure, some popular
>everyone is enjoying the moment instead of making faggy tiktoks
>read some archived fanpages and ljs
>watch a video about 2 friends making cosplay together and helping eachother out
>read older doujins
>watch fucking foam adventures
>no tranny in sight, everyone is having fun, no crunchyshit advertisement, pronoun pins or funkopops everywhere
>even 90s furfags cons seem fun, they show off their retarded alf fanart and discuss their female alf ocs and parade around with cat ears and looney tunes tshirts
>remember i am a zoomie and i will never experience any of this
i hate it, i hate being a zoomer so fucking much.
No. 2350021
>>2350019Cons are gay anyway, you're better off buying merch online so they're pretty much pointless outside of cosplay shit (which I have no interest in).
Besides you're about 100 times less likely to get molested by Vic Migogna or some other creepy moid at a modern con.
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>>2350023Same, it's fucking hilarious. I could easily see some black guy using this to prove Miles is the most chad spiderman or whatevre.
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>>2350028>Her early stuff can be kinda hotthe plastic style she developed in the 10s is absolutely dogshit, but her 00s study was so soulful and cute, why cant we return
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>>2350038Peak sakimichan era
No. 2350047
>>2350042I'm talking about real life shops
nonnie As for online shopping, I just like hunting for stuff I guess feels super exciting when you score something rare on the Japanese/Chinese second hand sites especially since you know most people overseas have never heard of it.
No. 2350131
>>2350019I'm a 35-year old crusty millenial who lived through all of this and cringed in real time at foam adventures. Trannies were really common even back then though, they just weren't as bold about it as they are now and mostly concentrated to Furry circles (where the current day trend originated tbh, them and bronies) or the really niche Final Fantasy house tier nutcase cults. A lot of TIFs straight up lied about being born male but having some kind of a niche condition that made them girly, Zerodomon being the most legendary one to do this. Also in place of those cringy Tiktok video filmings everyone was dry humping and filming cosplay makeout videos on their shitty 5 megapixel point-and-shoot.
But that said, I really miss the magic of personal fan websites. I spent hours just drifting from website to website via link rings, each site having their own distinct style. Social media ruined a lot of things, specifically our creativity and the sense of community. Now everyone is doing the same thing just to reach a huge following instead of making genuine connections with the people around them. People also had more decorum regarding what they post since everything took so much more effort and time, now most people just drop a barely comprehensible shitpost tiktok because they can't be bothered to think through it twice.
The old furfags were fucking horrifying and degenerate to a disturbing degree, still are. Don't let those old cherrypicked videos fool you. There's a reason why Yiff in hell was a thing in the 00's.
No. 2350146
>>2349094What perplexes me about muh male centrism cryfits like this is that they're never mad specifically at the people condensing female characters into either caretakers or whores nor the media landscape not allowing enough diversity within female character. I'm overwhelmingly a more husbando enjoyer but I also have a lot of different female OCs because so many of visible female characters are just shit by design so I had to make my own.
>"maybe I want to get overly attached to an amoral and pathetically sad fictional WOMAN"Like the issue is that there ARE no flawed, relatable female characters like this because
they aren't allowed to be, people taking risks are buried into obscurity and the ones who do get a chance are forced by editors and producers to change fundamental things about their characters. Stop being mad at husbandofags and fujos because it's easier to scream at the women around you minding their own business rather than deconstruct an entire industry demanding female characters to conform to male-set standards. You can cope all you want about how ackshually the male characters are badly written too and the fandom is just making up headcanons improving their writing for them but not for the female characters but that's based on literally trust me bro feels and your own subjective view of the situation. On a related note, one of my huge story writing peeves is that male characters are given complex back stories about their trauma and personal issues but whenever women are written with a sad story behind their flawed character it's just rape. Rape rape rape. Every time it's a sexual trauma. Even female writers are guilty of this.
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>>2350146Imo i just find it weird they expect OSA women to sexualize female characacters, as if trying to force all women to be bihet for their sick pleasure. My husbando and picrel(one of my fav female characters) have roughly the same personality, yet i can write long manifestos about him but not about her. Why? because i have a romantic/sexual attraction to one, while the other is a girl and therefore i dont feel sexually attracted to her. Would you talk about your crush the same way you talk about a friend? ofcourse not. Its what i dont get about these tumblr fauxfeminists. These people arent just happy that women enjoy female characters, no matter how moidish the source material might be, they also want women to sexualize said characters and see them as waifus rather than characters they like. All of the examples OP provides on the tumblr post have very obvious horny intonation to them, so ofcourse those straight women arent going to talk about the pussy game of the female characters they like.
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>>2349493nta and slightly unrelated but ekko x manic pixie dream girl powder made me drop the show. They removed every single one of Jinx's flaws as a person and now he loves her because shes a cool girl thats quirky but not complicated, such an obvious gross moid egirl fantasy from the writers.
picrel scene was literally "nooo dont kill urself ur so sexy haha", makes me ill
No. 2350222
>>2350188That’s not how I saw that scene at all, main universe Jinx is still fucked up due to the Shimmer + everything else that happened to her including Silco’s influence, and Ekko was right to talk her out of it. At the end of the day main universe Jinx is still Jinx.
But, I agree with you that AU Powder was a manic pixie stripped of all personality and talent that came with her experience, and it rubbed me the wrong way that this watered down nobody was who all the internet males were simping over and calling perfect even though she was just a support NPC and cheerleader to everyone else, and didn’t have her own things.
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>>2350019>watch fucking foam adventures>no tranny in sightBoth protagonists of foam adventures trooned out, nonna
Sometimes in life we lose the little joys we didn’t even know we had
No. 2350261
>>2350188pretty sure the point of better world AU Powder (and everything else about it tbh) is to show Ekko, who at that point was pretty bitter about the world he lived in and who had written Jinx off as an unsalvageable monster, enough hope/motivation to keep trying in general and to reach out to Jinx (tbh I did find it nice that they thankfully
didn't launch into a romance between the two of them upon Ekko's return, since it wouldn't have made much sense for either of them at all). AU Powder also does imo feel like a good continuation of the character we saw back in S1 episode one, which was an, imo, very meh 'cute kid' character with a few insecurities, who is easy for others and the audience to 'love' and feels like a morality pet to other characters, whereas Jinx is difficult, demands far more, and is an actual deuteragonist. AU Powder even gets repeatedly questioned about her not having her own things and direction in life, so I think the writers were making a bit of a point about her being sweet but ultimately shallow in comparison to Jinx, and it's unfortunate that it comes across as manic pixie/perfect waifu shit.
Ah well, the whole AU sequence is pretty saccharine and overly-condensed, but eh I enjoyed how it contrasted with Jayce rolling around in his literal pit of despair kek
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>>2350222>>2350261I think that my issue with the scene was that before he met manic pixie Powder, Ekko was uncaring about Jinx and essentially hated her for "killing" Powder. If he hadn't met this potential, better, version of her, he would not have cared about her committing suicide.
The same way he didn't care about her after the aftermath of their fight or when she exploded the council, he had no interest in speaking with Jinx after Silco died and it was shown multiple times she only had Sevika and later Isha. He cares about AU Powder and thinks that Jinx could become her, which imo is awful because the only thing Jinx ever wanted was for people to love her as the person she is now, not Powder.
No. 2350267
>>2350184I'm not following the convo nona, but thanks for putting it into words. I'm on the opposite road (lesbian) and while I have written one or two pieces about male characters before, I can never get as attached to them as female ones.
>Would you talk about your crush the same way you talk about a friend?This is such a simple but obvious observation, now everything makes sense. I guess attraction does play a huge part, even if you're not into the character itself, just because they're of the sex you're attracted to it makes you unconsciously more interested in them. That's also why there's so little analysis of female ones, as the majority of people into women are men and they're chimps who only think of sex.
No. 2350275
>>2350267>just because they're of the sex you're attracted to it makes you unconsciously more interested in them. most so called "heterosexual" males only obsess over male characters and if you ask them who their favorites are they'll list a dozen male characters before they think of a woman. At the same time they can barely tolerate female characters beyond a basic background gf or wife who only exists to prove their favorite character's manliness.
Both women and males idolize male characters and ignore or despite female characters.
It has nothing to do with attraction and everything to do with misogyny unless you think the entire world is populated with nothing but dick obsessed fags and straight women.
No. 2350286
>>2350265yeah fair, though I do think Ekko cared about Jinx, just in a way that hurt and went against what was going on in the moment– their fight on the bridge was something I really liked, as it contrasted the silly games of their childhood and false bravado with a sequence of ugly violence and their completely soured friendship. I don't think it's an accident that the two times Jinx nearly offs herself with a grenade is during the bridge fight where the two seem to have a moment of realisation as to what and to whom they're doing, and when Ekko stops her from killing herself after time/dimension travelling, tying those moments together. He also flashes back to her laying on the bridge during the AU. He also doesn't try to push Jinx into being AU!Powder either, she's still very much herself, just pointed in a better direction. Sorry for the sperging, and it's cool if you disagree or don't like it either way of course
>>2350270oh definitely, and that cute kid factor plays into her whole conflict with Powder vs Jinx, both internally and externally with other characters, since so many people in her life only saw and wanted that cute, sweet kid (though tbf they probably more want her happy, healthy and not so wildly and negatively different, but fail to articulate that because everyone is such a mess kek) and that's gotta sting.
No. 2350306
>>2350290>Those moids who really like goku arent writing long manifestos about goku's super deep complex personalitythey do though kek, there's channels that are devoted to analysing DBZ characters with little to no power-scaling.
Also why do we always default to weebshit being at the centre of these discussions? Men also love to wax poetic about their favourite asoif and lotr characters as well, even without the usual self-insert angle or 'strongest bestest'. I don't really want to cape for moids here kek, but I do think it's silly to pretend that they don't ever engage in similar fandom activities women also do, or that they're all turbo weebs entrenched in waifu culture thriving on an exclusive diet of harem isekais and bottom-of-the-barrel power fantasies. Though the ones that are like that are very funny when they throw tantrums over their (possibly assumed) self-insert not being catered to by the narrative kek
>>2350292>What can a straight woman do reading a lesbian romance book?Enjoy the characters, their relationship, and the overall story? Idk anon, I'm straight and just like to read about interesting fictional people and places, which isn't reliant on my sexuality at all. If you meant a lesbian romance novel that contains sex scenes, then I'll just skim past them like I do any other sex scene I don't like or am not interested it if it's just smut and has no interesting characterisation, it's no biggie.
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>Having taste this boring and then just slapping T4T on it
kek
No. 2350686
>>2350635Well these people crying muh male centrism always
are from those fandoms so..
No. 2350695
>>2350639>>Having taste this boringHow bad can it be?
>ichihimeMy god…
No. 2350753
>>2350687They usually follow/are friends with a lot of women that are into the guys so that's what they see. They don't engage with all the male coomers for whatever reason.
>>2350709But is it older stuff you're just now discovering or stuff you started liking when you were younger?
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Miku-mania feels forced as fuck and I’m tired of seeing teens sperg out over her on Twitter faster than I can block them. I used to like Vocaloid songs a moderate amount, but now I can’t stand them and their fandom at all. Feels like a pointless cult with no actual fucks given about the character herself.
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>>2343340Spec Ops: The Line and its consequences have been a disaster for video games.
Slightly off topic but I'm sick of walking sims as a whole. If they want to tell a story through a game just make a visual novel. And if you need 'muh cinematic cutscenes' that badly then make it some interactive movie or some shit. I'm pretty sure its been done before without implementing some half-assed ""gameplay"" (quick time events and/or rhythm games).
No. 2351221
>>2351083I agree with you but as a VN dev, visual novels have a bit of a stigma to them. The average normie would rather play a walking sim than a visual novel, and in my personal opinion something like Mouthwashing wouldn't have gotten as big as it did if it was a VN. Something about VNs just puts a good chunk of people off unless it markets itself as being
not like other VNs and for
people who don't like VNs like Class of 09 or DDLC. (Which both suffered from irony poisoning and didn't do anything that hadn't already been done before)
No. 2351272
>>2351221VNs are just long and most people (especially gamers) don't want to read
Consider it a blessing in disguise since normies are annoying.
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Anybody else find the whole masculine/feminine discourse on Twitter a little tiring? I am brown, and I won’t deny—dark-skinned female characters tend to get masculinized a lot in fandom interpretations. Even in many of the GL stuff I have read, the brown/black woman often takes on the role of the 'man' in the pairing. But the women on Twitter who call this out tend to be a little too obsessed with outward femininity, for lack of a better term. Like, many of them unironically think that if you draw a brown woman in pants, then you are masculinizing her. I find this a little too much. They are almost like the elderly women from my shithole who think that any woman who doesn’t wear makeup or jewelry = man, women who don’t have long hair = man, women who wear trousers = man, and so on.
No. 2352013
>>2351911They can't even create Nosferatu fanfics without making Count Fagula into a bisexual icon who was the
victim of straight cis Thomas. It amazes me how a majority of dark fic creators are incapable of making such things without adding buffers to keep everything very mild, but they fixate on things like Hannigram where the main themes are very explicitly manipulation, sexual assault, murder, genuine malice that isn't just evil twink behaviour, etc.
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>>2349493This isn't a big deal at all, they're just retards online, but holy fuck I wish these people would shut the fuck up and go fag out in a dirty ass glory hole restroom in some nasty city pub instead of projecting their necessary and dumb queer shit onto every straight single fictional couple they lay eyes on. These are the same faggots who try to rewrite straight female characters into "cohet lesbians" because it's "muh subtext" and "media literacy", or whatever fucking term they hijack to disguise their dumb opinions as in-depth and correct analyses. Creators shouldn't bother with these people, but sometimes I fantasize a moment where one or two major developers, writers, designers, or people of those positions step up and directly tell these retards, "no, these two characters are not gay or bi in any way. Goodbye."
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>>2351995That person in your screenshot wasn't trying to shit on the idea of masc hyuna, it was posted was response to picrel complaining about an artist drawing Hyuna feminine. Also the backlash was a result of build-up from months of fandom joking about Hyuna being the mommy/daddy dom husband "impregnating" the guy who traumatized her and making cringe jokes about her being so "gender" for simply existing as a non-hyperfeminine woman. They'd sometimes leave rude comments on eastern artists drawing Hyuna in a dress too.
>>1977869 >>2234433
>>2255634>>2352050I love Rika and understand what you mean, I hate how people try to feminize her. But I don't think Hyuna was intended to be a strictly "masculine" character. That maid outfit is official art, her introduction video literally has her in a bikini and a variety of skimpy feminine tops, and Vivinos drew her wearing a thong and hot pink acrylic nails kek. No offense, but from what I've seen, the dedicated Hyuna fans in both Eastern and Western acknowledge both her "masculine" and "feminine" sides because that's what her creators have shown. She's simply a cool woman with a variety of tastes.
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>>2352068>That maid outfit is official art, her introduction video literally has her in a bikini and a variety of skimpy feminine tops, and Vivinos drew her wearing a thong and hot pink acrylic nails kek. No offense, but from what I've seen, the dedicated Hyuna fans in both Eastern and Western acknowledge both her "masculine" and "feminine" sides because that's what her creators have shown.It does not make a difference because it's the same issue, if anything, it's even worse that even the creators enable shit like this. I know it's "my fault" for buying into the masc meme but it's a part of a larger issue where masculine women aren't allowed to exist at all and the rare ones we do get are eventually oversexualized in a very malegaze way. Picrel.
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>>2352072tbf king's design comes from various artists and game designers who interpreted her in different ways, completely moving away from her original inspiration (a kickboxer who appeared in some action movie). On the other hand, alien stage is a project managed by a small group of people who have a clear idea about her character and aesthetic
No. 2352085
>>2352056>I wish these people would shut the fuck up and go fag out in a dirty ass glory hole restroom in some nasty city pub instead of projecting their necessary and dumb queer shit onto every straight single fictional couple they lay eyes onThey'd have to
actually be gay to do that.
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>>2352067>>2352068That's completely fair. Any woman who isn't a cookie-cutter moe anime girl being treated as a pseudo-man by fans is annoying. But the part where it goes a bit overboard for me is when some women start to get upset because someone drew the feminine woman in a suit or "masc wear".
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>>2352129I agree in some cases, but from what I've seen, the fan art of glinda and elphaba really do masculinize elphaba, making her buff and tall. I saw a very similar thing with alicent and rhaenyra. Obviously, I'm not against shipping them, but when you depict one character as larger and taller than they actually are and the other as shorter and more demure, I can pretty easily see what your intentions are. This is just heterosexuality with extra steps.
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>>2352167it's alicent and rhaenyra from hotd, my point was what
>>2352169 said, when the canonically taller is depicted as smaller then actually are cause cause they are the "bottom", then it usually points to fujo influence
No. 2352185
>>2351047At some point liking vocaloid became less about enjoying the music and more about liking Miku as a character or avatar. What people like about her nowadays is that she's very versatile and you can basically turn her into anything you want, this is how they made her into one of those political memes. She's also a nostalgia bait animecore thing, same as lucky star and other similar things that got way too popular in recent years. This anon summarizes it well
>>2351318 it's just another cute mascot at this point.
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>>2352072You're right about masculine women in media- but Hyuna is just a character in a smaller series made by a lesbian couple who've been working on this for years. The fandom is very female dominated, I've never seen a male fan. It's not "malegaze" but is just lesbians making a character they find sexy.
If they had intention to make Hyuna a "masculine" character like the way Rika is, it would be apparent. But they show you from her
introduction she's a rebellion leader who dresses in a tank top and pants for the action, and casual/more feminine outfits in her off time. Everyone in the rebellion, including the pink frilly girly girl Mizi (picrel), dresses in outfits more fitting their situation. Think about characters like Katniss who dress tactically for hunting and fighting, but wear dresses from time to time. That's Hyuna's situation.
It's a different situation from Rika and King, who are characters in big male-dominated franchises. And from their early appearances you see they look like handsome princely woman and that's how they typically dress. Rika was designed by a woman, but even King's original appearance even has her sexualized/humiliated by her moid creators. She was doomed from the start. And Rika was cursed with being a character in a pokemon game(and the games have feminized a gnc woman before, see Anabel).
Masculine women aren't allowed to exist in mainstream media (and a lot of times lesbian media)
except Steven Universe but they do exist and are beloved for being masc, away from moid crap. Just look up butches in webtoons, books, comics, movies, typically made by gay women. And if you prefer the princely types, I can pull up media from east/southeast asia too. The people actually interested in making masculine women characters usually aren't gonna be found in popular mainstream media, because execs don't want that.
No. 2352304
>>2352050>every time there's a female character that isn't super feminine people rush to put her in maid and bunny outfits tits and ass outgod i hate this so much too. i love a female character that was stated to prefer men's clothing and hate wearing dresses, and guess what fucking everyone does? it's so tiresome, i'd rather they just not draw her at all than flood the tag with shit like this. even the creators couldn't stop themselves from giving her some ooc skimpy outfit
not that they care much for character/lore integrity anymore in any sense but that's another rant entirely kek.
>>2352082nta. i'm not saying this is the case with alnst (frankly i have no dog in that race), but creators originally developing a more gnc/masc female character and then eventually pushing more gender-conforming (or even outright sexualized) shit onto her is common phenomenon regardless of whether the team is small/consistent or spanning several decades. hell i've even seen it in individual fanartists. pretty depressing to find so few people willing to just commit to the bit even in fan spaces, and when they do it's often just troonshit. nothing quite like finding a fanartist that depicts a gnc/masc woman as just that only to be hit with the top surgery scars…
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I just remembered Zutara and how its fans have been and even still justify their ship by painting Aang as a rapist for this. Just being a dumb twelve-year-old boy and kissing his crush when he thought she liked him back in that moment. Aang and Katara's relationship was not exactly well-written, but holy shit Zutarafags will make anything from the show as "evidence" that Aang is somehow incredibly toxic and that Katara should be with Zuko.
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Tell me which one of these outfits is masculine without sounding like those people who think woman wearing pants is masculine. Why would you look for masculine woman representation from someone who almost immediately shows up in a bikini. Masculine women erasure is real but pick your battles kek
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>>2352376this, she was clearly given a punk-rocker design, which actually has a long history in korea
No. 2352498
>>2352373>>2352477And they'll also create weird hypocritical moral arguments kek. By their logic, if Aang pecking Katara on the lips at the wrong moment is sexual assault, surely Zuko is a
toxic abuser for all the times he betrayed and fought her.
>Losing teamTo be fair, the ATLA team was considering Zutara as the endgame ship at one point, they just changed their minds.
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>>2352072King after KOFXI makes me so sad…
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Guess which indieslop dev recently got exposed for being a pedophile? It's at least funny to watch the zoomies initially love this game, but then spit it out like rancid milk.
No. 2352693
>>2352654NTA
Indie game called Bad Parenting, went viral when streamers played it, 16 page google doc came out exposing the dev as a typical pedo discord groomer
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jTcf_vZCVV8iWfTr77Kbi502hM_SWahDjqxJ5j50ZMg/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.mj5iue9jh96 No. 2352981
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>>2351047I was never the biggest fan but I have a certain nostalgic attachment for late '00s/early '10s Vocaloid (like the more popular songs, cute and stylish art, even made a cover once), and still keep up with the big new songs from time to time, and yeah what you describe made me seethe for a long while but then I realized the tranny-see-tranny-do, unofficial twitter mascot Miku shit only exists on (english) twitter and I can easliy avoid it entirely. Life can be good.
>>2352124true that, remember dominos pizza?
>>2352185>nostalgia bait animecore thinghuh, you're right, the 2000s aesthetic larp is a factor too, to zoomers that decade is progressive or
problematic depending on if they want to adopt some media from the time or not
No. 2353152
>>2353032The other reply mentioned Nosferatu so I just assumed it was the same kind of twitter accounts cropping up who post about dark romance/ muh goffik fiction/ dead dove wrt things like Nosferatu, IwTV, HoTD, Hannibal, Yellow Jackets basically any gothic 3deep5u dark fantasy edgelord prestige tv/filmfag stuff. They’ve been popping up ever since Hontrapoints released that “Twilight” video.
>>2353045I would have assumed that but yuritrannies aren’t into 3D fandom dark romance shit, these are unfortunately women
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>>2352331>I quite literally can't name masculine female characters who isn't eventually ruined by pining for a moid or given a girly makeover or alternatively killed off/sidelined entirely. Integra from Hellsing maybe or Vi from Arcane, if we want to stretch the definition Korra from tLoKGideon from Locked Tomb series. There's a dedicated fandom with tons of art. If you like reading, there's many books with butches so try searching around for what butch lesbians recommend.
Some more stuff with masc/butch/gnc women as main characters, mix of stuff I've watched/read or planning to check out:
>Live action: Rafiki, Pariah, The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls in Love, Love Lies Bleeding, A League of Their Own, Feel Good, Bound, Set it off, Handsome Stewardess, Gentleman Jack>Manga: Honey & Honey, Indigo Blue, Himitsu no Hanazono (by Fuji Mihona), You As You Are (oneshot), Hands Off My Girl (oneshot), Boyish Butch x Butch anthology (this one seems to be a mix of butch couples, tomboys, and short-haired women in dresses though).Some varying qualities on the manga lol. I remember enjoying Honey & Honey, did not enjoy Indigo Blue but would recommend Ebine Yamaji in general, Himitsu is boring but cute basic shojo, and the oneshots had messy writing but sweet endings imo.
>Western comics: Dykes to watch out for, Cosmoknights (haven't read these yet)>Cartoon: Infinity train season 2 (for Lake)A beloved one for me is Haruka in Sailor Moon S, season 3 of the 90s series where she's most prominent and plot important, and more distinctly masc than her manga/smc versions.
This isn't meant to disprove what you're talking about, masc women content is woefully scarce. Just wanted to share more examples, especially those sincerely made by women and not hacks like Bryke (though I don't really count Korra). But kudos to artists at Fortiche improving Vi. Anyway, there's still creators trying to include masculine women beyond mainstream media. Even just a few days ago I saw a Korean artist release her lesbian romcom manhwa on Lezhin about a butch woman
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>>2352056>>2349493related to this i see so many "trans hc's" of straight couples, including literal children, and it's honestly so disturbing
No. 2353835
I wish people would just leave women who very obviously have a history of abuse writing dark fiction alone. I feel like people who say shit like these women deserved the abuse they went through or they deserve to have it happen to them again or even that they deserve to literally die, based on something they're making by themselves from the comfort of their own home, are probably someone who is gonna go off to traumatize someone else in their personal lives later and then play victim because that's all it is with extra steps. It's also a form of silencing victims, in my opinion. Why should women be told they're only ever allowed to talk about what happened to them in certain and personal terms? Why can't they express their feelings through a medium that feels safe and removed from them personally? I hate it. I hate proshipping vs antishipping discourse, I hate retards on twitter and tiktok and everywhere else. 13, 14, 15 year old kids get a pass because teens being stupid is a rite of passage, but the people who are like, 24 years old and still haven't outgrown this mentality are some of the most insufferable people imaginable and deserve to be rounded up and gunned down like dogs because all they do is drag down society and retraumatize already vulnerable people, while also shaming them for being upset like "awww look, the old hag is mad i said she's a porn addict!". And don't get me wrong, there's a lot of 30 year old fandom women who are uncomfortably addicted to porn, but if they're staying in their own lane then it's nobody's business but hers and the people closest to her and you have no idea what she may have been through to get to that point.
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>>2352121another aspect is that since they dissociate themselves from their own bodies, seeing sex as just the makeup they wear or the styles they choose, they apply that same view to other people, both fictional characters and real life
jocat genuinely might see himself as this "catboy" because that's the aesthetic he chooses for himself, and other terminally online retards also might see him that way. However, to normal people, he's just a weird adult man with a porn addiction.
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>cynthiana porn
Sadly not even surprised from how much wicked fans parasocially obsess over Cynthia and Ariana’s relationship. Fucking disgusting
No. 2354596
>>2354577I like tcoaal, and a big reason is that it's because it's refreshing to see a (formerly) self published story made by a westerner that has
problematic themes and is unapologetic about it while also not being all "hahaha! take THAT, puriteens!". It feels like western indie works nowadays that lean one way or the other are all about making sure they're shouting out their particular crowd, but tcoaal just is what it is. The most "take that!" thing is that one 'cry about it' drawing and it's just an extra thing the developer drew. It's really encouraging to see women making the stories they want and not backing down to the expectation to be submissive and pure. Didn't even make a huge thing about it, just went "yeah, fuck you" and went back to business.
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>>2354916>female faze perspectiveThe female gaze does not exist.
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>>2354916>brosis incest from female gaze perspectiveI don’t think so kek. Also moids had been cooming to the sister and hyping the incest for months back when there was only a demo, they are not the ones getting btfo by this.
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>>2355003I know the whole ‘fujoshism is feminist’ joke is overplayed but I genuinely believe there is a modicum of truth in it. The state of being a woman is to see yourself and your gender constantly consumed through media by men and women alike. The simplest (albeit imperfect and not entirety
un-
problematic) way to flip that dynamic is by placing men in the position of those female characters as passive objects of desire, and removing the female from the screen to the person watching it. That’s why moids and handmaidens chimp out so hard at yaoi: because it actually
does directly subvert patriarchal dynamics, and therefore feels like an inherent threat to them. But that’s just my two cents.
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>>2354916>game that was made to appeal to the literal bottom-of-the-barrel scrotes with an imouto fetish is now a heckin based feminist game because it triggered one (1) moid on YouTubeIs this what they call revisionist history?
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>>2355108Samefagging to add, the difficulty as a fujoshi myself is knowing how and where to add female characters back in to your media to fully round off the subversion. Male creators approach male characters like vessels through which they can project their active consumption of a story and the female characters in it, so the best way I can think of (AKA what I do for my female OCs) is to treat them like idealised self-inserts with internal complexities, so not quite Mary Sues. The James Bond, Indiana Jones, Han Solo kind of guy, but gender-swapped. Once I started writing my stories this way, (sexy male characters with badass and clever female inserts), I felt a lot more close to figuring out the ‘female gaze’ than ever before.
No. 2355204
>>2355034ntayrt but kek what proof is this of the male gaze? 5x5 pixels of barely there cleavage as she bends over for some cringe joke? if it was male gaze she'd have hanging tits, an arched back and a defined ass, and she'd probably be drawn ahegaoing with a retarded coom face. you'd only be happy if she drew her OC in a burka or a bella swan tier jean skirt, and she already draws her with a normie design and modest figure, you're just hand wringing for the sake of getting a high from discourse between women, which is sad.
if we want to debate about how men liking something nullifies the existence of femgaze even if she's cutting up, eating men and enslaving them, we may as well coin the term Schrodinger's gaze. If a woman makes something unabashedly unhinged for her own desires, its feminist female gaze, but if a man sees it and enjoys it, its instantly male gaze and all of her intentions have no value, even if its about aborting male fetuses and setting men on fire, because everything in proximity to males is meant to be consumed by them and is for them, even when it isn't. i dont even like this stupid visual novel, I just think other women moralfagging about a total nothingburger developer writing her little yandere fantasy and drawing fictional adults fucking is pure pickme conservatoid faggotry disguised as radical feminism.
>>2355003you retards still define everything in relation to male fantasies, which is what Atwood's quote is about. it's about women internally sculpting themselves to make everything about men, and it's what you are doing right now without a single hint of self awareness kek. if there isn't a metaphysical presence of men's judgement present for 5 seconds, you'll be sure to summon it to remind us we're all devoid of free will and only do things in relation to appeasing men. in an effort to be enlightened, you persist with an oxymoron
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>>2355204Please take a look at the attached image
No. 2355248
>>2355243Art style was very reminiscent of girls on Tumblr who liked to RP and make things like ask blogs around 2014-2016ish, vibes of the game itself were similar to the RPG Maker horror community, which had a good amount of western female devs.
I didn't mention this before, but way the brother was written reminded me of how girls tended to RP a certain kind of male character (Matsuda from Dangan Ronpa comes to mind). She also had a bunch of old games that had a girlier aesthetic and general feeling.
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Why do yurishitters gotta ruin everything
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>>2355348Luka would never do this to Miku. If she'd bully anyone, it would be the maleoids but of course yurimoids can't jerk off to that.
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>>2355204>getting this defensive over the average smug manic pixie waifuKek, boy isn’t even that cute, looks like a generic loser protag. Artist has boring taste
No. 2355650
>>2355345>>2355601I'm curious, do you see
>>2352146 as an actual lesbian couple, or just recreating heterosexuality?
No. 2355719
>>2355686She was a literally who before, but her other games are generally written from a point of female identification and the male love interests have that tumblr sexyman "looking down on others but will do anything to protect the one i see as worthy" quality to them.
>>2355709>if a woman draws a hot girl then it's obviously ONLY for menIt's appealing to both genders, what's wrong with casting the widest possible net? She admitted that's literally what she was doing with the game, she wanted to see if she could get more people playing it by adding gameplay and the characters essentially look like genderbends of each other. The answer to moids sexualizing women isn't to tell women they need to act like nuns lest they accidentally feed the enemy.
No. 2355747
>>2355745>super narrow hips>broad ass shouldersshe's literally sideways you cant see her hips or shoulders.
>chad jawlinefucking where? do you even know what a ''chad'' jaw is?
>yaoi handsliterally both of them have yaoi hands. I guess they are both men.
No. 2355762
>>2355754Did you miss the entire episode where kaeluc shippers were fighting for their lives? Also her work is incredibly self aware about the fact that the character's shitty parenting is what got them where they are, what makes you think what she enjoys exploring in the realm of fiction would have an effect on her children? Not even a rhetorical question, explain that thought process from start to finish.
>>2355751If I'm being honest, Andrew was so appealing to me that I got shocked Ashley was the more popular one. If she wants to draw tits, then why not let her? I'd rather a woman going against the grain profit off cumbrained moids than anyone else.
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>>2355762Where is the fanservice of Andrew? Is it just the scene where both he and Ashley are naked?
No. 2355789
>>2355709Kek, this. The anons who don’t like it here aren’t upset because it was made by a woman but because it’s just like every other run-of-the-mill weebshit aimed at a male audience. Funamusea — another female dev who works with RPGMaker — has incest and other weird themes in her games, but I have never seen anyone complain about that here because her art doesn’t have that male gaze coom aspect to it.
>>2355713You just made that up. Anons were complaining about the game on /vgt/ even before the creator got doxxed.
>>2355719>characters essentially look like genderbends of each other.They don't, to me. Ashley looks super cute and her design is clearly very appealing to moids, but Andrew just looks like every other boring self-insert who is covered from head to toe.
>>2355762I like kaeluc but I still won't defend tcoaal.
No. 2355842
>>2355783>She made a character to appeal to both the male gaze and the female gaze to cast the widest possible net.If it appeals to male gaze then it is not a female gaze game. It’s just coombait
>Men care more about immediate release and women care more about emotional slow burns.So men get a sexy waifu with fanservice and women get a moid with no fanservice? Lmao
No. 2355847
>>2355348to be fair that song was shit anyway
>>2355350stinky smelly fujo gf has been a thing for years
No. 2355851
>>2355791https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nj9LGqCUGXD77wFT7KKHS7ulfjjeZsEO1HY9xHw-9tk/mobilebasic#heading=h.ey3qx4b2xkcdShe had to take on so many commissions she couldn't keep up and in a recent stream she was venting about how all of this was because of her mom.
>>2355842>if it has appeal to males then the female appeal literally does not matter unless they're drawn in the exact same wayIf you don't like the male lead then that's fine, but he has the women he appeals to in such a grip they literally make entire self insert fangames.
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>>2355348>>2355404>>2355357>>2355350Negitoro is peak vocaloid ship besides LukaxLily. Y'all have no taste.
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>>2355851>but he has the women he appeals to in such a grip they literally make entire self insert fangames.This does not prove anything except that any male character will have autistic female fans
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>>2355879I'm pretty sure the artist behind that is a real woman anyway based on the way she draws moids.
No. 2355904
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>>2355877Then why is that men from other male gazey shit made by men solely for men that gained a female following for some god foresaken reason didn't get fanbases quite like Andrew? You posted a Gravity Falls image, but the thing with GF is that it wasn't made with a singular sex in mind. Women like it when men have a bit of danger to them, as well as a difficult past that caused some type of emotional instability. Since funa was mentioned in the thread, let's look at Idate. Wadanohara is clearly lolibait, the ending where Sal rapes her is extremely controversial and a lot of moids played it, yet somehow the still existing fanbase lusts after characters like Idate who are fully clothed, they just perform a lot of violence and often allude to sexual misconduct, similar to Andrew. This is not a new phenomena either, evidence of characters like this appealing to women spans back decades.
No. 2355931
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>>2355788while they were being a bit crazy, they weren't wrong that valkyrie was often 'masculinized' in her ship with jane, portrayed as being much taller and bigger than her, even though both women are equal height in real life. I don't know if it's about race, but there's a trend in fandom with popular f/f ships where one of the women gets turned into a sort of pseudo-man role, and it's just kind of strange and really uncomfortable
No. 2356003
>>2355204we may as well coin the term Schrodinger's gaze. If a woman makes something unabashedly unhinged for her own desires, its feminist female gaze, but if a man sees it and enjoys it, its instantly male gaze and all of her intentions have no value
Yes but unironically.
No. 2356037
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>>2355904>Then why is that men from other male gazey shit made by men solely for men that gained a female following for some god foresaken reason didn't get fanbases quite like Andrew?This is literally a thing in shounen anime. Male characters from shit chock-full of misogyny and fanservice will still have a ton of fangirls, and editors will tell shounen mangaka to make the characters handsome enough to bait women but make the overall story for men. And even male mangaka who only care about male fans will unintentionally make characters who get tons of fangirls (Sanji, Zoro, Vegeta, L, Sasuke).
Andrew’s case seems special because it’s smaller scale, an indie game where you don’t typically see this thing because most are made by very autistic moids with no sense of artistry. But it’s similar shit, just different medium.
No. 2356099
>>2356080Shounen Jump stated years ago that it's going for that 50/50 female audience. It wants to be
the anime magazine, for everybody.
It has not gone well to say the least, but they absolutely know numbers (they publish them) and the editors smack the authors into feeling it.
No. 2356164
>>2356099>Shounen Jump stated years ago that it's going for that 50/50 female audience. It wants to be the anime magazine, for everybody.I know but they're trying harder to keep their teenage boys audience because they know that girls and women will read anything as long as they find it interesting. The same thing can apply to adult men who will read whatever Shonen Jump series they like partially because of nostalgia as well. I think Shonen Jump editors are careful about little boys and teenage boys in particular because of a statement by the guy who made JJK, he said his editors were often telling him to make a lot of dialogues and scenes easier to follow for kids. I don't remember shojo manga being as simplified and neutered as JJK for the same age range, but I mostly remember old shojo manga on top of my hand so maybe the ones published right now are less edgy.
tldr; girls are less likely to go "ew I'm not reading that shit, it's for boys" when reading your usual shonen slop while boys will go "ew it's for girls I'm not reading that shit" if they read shonen slop that's too obviously trying to also target a female audience at the same time.
No. 2356168
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>>2356099Yeah, I don't really think that shounen jump shit that is tailor made to make sure it has shit for both genders is comparable to something a woman made that has women fangirling over it. A lot of jump authors have complained about how the editors are fucking with their vision too much, JJK author being a big one. Honestly I don't understand why people are in denial that Nemlei wrote Andrew to be appealing, as if she's not a whole woman who clearly has a thing for broody boys, looking at her past works. No Good Noelle is her game directly before TCOAAL and doesn't have any of that male gaze shit, but it DOES have a male lead that's incredibly manipulative and self serving and a danger to the protagonist's entire society. I stand by the fact Nemlei was trying to cast a wide net.
No. 2356182
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>>2356175>recreating heterosexualitywhy cant you autists just say you dislike height difference as a trope and leave it at that? whats the point of moralfagging about a trope so innocent as a character being taller than other character. I swear women in fandom will moralfag about EVERYTHING. We cant enjoy shit.
No. 2356189
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>>2356175>taller and harder than she actually is in canonI couldn't give less of a shit about this when women are drawing fucking Robert Downey Jr as Iron Man as less fugly than he is in real life. Stop the retard politics moralfagging. Nobody is "recreating heterosexuality" when the two characters in question have vaginas and breasts. Being tall and having muscle is not a moid only attribute and you would do well to understand that.
Picrel is a very inaccurate portrayal of Rober Downey Jr.
No. 2356192
>>2356168Didn't the author apologize to editors and said he leaned on them too much after the manga ended?
Iirc Nobora was their idea.
No. 2356195
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>>2355115I feel that you're overlooking the market factors that influence these decisions. In general, action movies tend to attract predominantly male audiences, while there are individual and genre-specific exceptions, the majority of viewers for this genre are men. even action films targeted at women primarily attract male viewers; for instance, about 70% of the audience for the marvels was male
No. 2356217
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>>2356182>posts the most femme x femme pairing with height difference in the entire showAt least you could've posted Hikari and the Amane turbodyke to help you but now you're just clearly desperate to grasp at straws posting shit from shows you've never seen. And no, it's not the height difference that bothers people. It's literally the draw a man say it (allegedly) has a pussy that bothers people. Like pic related it's essentially a male character with at least boobs plastered on, but the one pic you're defending doesn't even have that.
No. 2356235
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>>2355931>>2356182>>2356189Fuck it, this has been discussed before
>>1909216 This was made to show the recurring theme of ways darker women are portrayed in gay art, so there's more innocent examples mixed in. But you can see how some people take it a step further and force a weird sexual dimorphism. One of these artists even went from making lesbian art to futashit, and there are even more "lesbian" artists outside of this who force similar exaggerated dynamics and end up drawing futashit.
No. 2356240
>>2356192nta and it depends on which editor we're talking about. The one for the very first chapter of what became JJK0 was so braindead he forced a lot of terrible idea on the author for the sake of making the manga as bland as possible for marketing reasons. He fucked off as soon as the first chapter was published. Since JJK is a very direct sequel of JJK0 the author worked with other editors who weren't forcing bullshit on him but gave him suggestions that he mostly followed. I don't remember the details but a lot of people said the manga fell off after the Shibuya incident arc because his next editor let him do whatever he wanted but I don't recall anything specific said by Gege or any editor about this.
To sum this up, for JJK0 to be allowed in some Shueisha magazine, Gege was forced to make the story happen in a magic school instead of a secret organization, was forced to make Yuta related to some historical figure and related to Gojo, and his very first editor was trying to replace Rika with Oda Nobunaga which would have changed the story entirely. The story was supposed to be way longer and about how Yuta and Maki were trying to find a curse strong enough to exorcise Rika. Instead the story lasted for one volume and all its ideas were implemented in JJK but then at the very end
we end up seeing Yuta and Maki's grandkids even though Yuta and Maki barely interacted together in JJK and Rika already being exorcised before JJK happens makes some scenes really stupid when you think about it. Generic things like Nobara or the mandatory tournament arc were another editor's idea and Gege didn't shit talk that second editor. However I assume that second editor wanted her to exist just to copypaste Naruto's main characters and not because the story would be better that way. Gege removed the school setting as soon as he could however. One reason why he apologized to his editors was because of one fight referencing a shit ton of manga, ads and TV shows so editors had to get legal permission for this, he could have been talking about things like that as well.
No. 2356255
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>>2356243>Also i dont understand why you are using a yaoi as an example, is it because you cant find a real example of what you are seething about?Ahahahahaha you literally just admitted these characters look indistinguishable from men. Pic related is supposed to be yuri, retard.
No. 2356263
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>>2356254Very few of those characters are indistinguishable from men. And no, femme pairings have always been a thing. I can literally link you to yuri oneshots posted in lesbian magazines if you want proof. Just admit you don't know jackshit about the genre, coping fujo.
No. 2356265
>>2356235From what I've observed, this tends to happen to darker-skinned, gnc or slightly alternative characters. the fact that fandomtards don’t even recognize how racist this is almost funny
>>23562449 out of 10 of these works are from Western creators
>>2356251nta but I'm convinced your baiting at this point, we can hate yuritroons but also acknowledge this bizzare forced masculinization is also fucked up
No. 2356267
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>>2356259Go find it yourself. Don't you always say how you want more of stuff like this but always end up reading yaoi anyway? How come I don't even like this stuff but know way more about it than you, who is supposedly a "butch" connoisseur? Kekkk fujo "lesbians" are truly pathetic.
(infight bait) No. 2356279
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luv me some butch rep in animanga uwu
No. 2356281
Don't you tards have like 3+ threads to argue and discuss gay anime porn?
>>2356080>It will keep happening as long as these kids don't notice and don't think it will make their favorite manga lame and only for girls.I always found that ironic since women tend to be super liberal with spending on a franchise and promoting it. I mean this in the most positive way, but you can make bank off of pandering to women.
No. 2356282
>>2356279>characters having green hair, gigantic bug eyes, unnatural smol children faces with no nosei sleep
>female character being roidedTHIS IS UNREALISTIC I MUST REEEEE
No. 2356288
>>2356282>character looks literally like a mani sleep
>character has long hair, wears feminine clothes and has signs of having boobsTHIS IS UNREALISTIC I MUST REEEEE
No. 2356299
>>2356281The reason we entered a shoujo anime drought was because producers realized that women will consume any genre with romance, but moids will steer clear of anything that feels too girly. Because of this, the fruits basket remake overperformed and they realized women actually DO want to spend money. I feel like producers just don't want to see women as people for whatever reason, or maybe they just see that we ship gay men too much and it makes their fragile masculinities uncomfortable kekkkk
>>2356280I feel like that's what nonna was getting at, it's retarded how many people will cast aside a woman as a pickme just because moids happened to like something she made.
No. 2356301
>>2356297Damn you are schizo because I never said all of that. I hope you can take your meds soon
nonnie.
No. 2356310
>>2356306I was talking about
>>2356255>>2356307Damn so bitter and schizo for what lmfao. Keep seething actually, it's getting fun now.
No. 2356313
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>>2356286>roidpig women tooExcept the roidpig women in question are basically just drawn as men but with boobs slapped on. You can still have masculine muscle women with female proportions.
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>>2356313Heh, true that. As soon as muscular characters look even remotely female they stop being attracted to them.
No. 2356338
>>2356334Preach
>>2356335??? I like Ambessa
No. 2356364
>>2356360Bitching
over fujo, I don't give a shit about how some autistic women spend their time on the internet, It's in their corner and I don't search it out.
It's the "omg I hate fujo they all hate women they hate black women" that's obnoxious.
No. 2356422
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>>2356235slightly ot but i've noticed that in asian works in general the male seems to be way darker skinned than the woman, even if they're both japanese/korean/etc. they associate extremely pale skin with femininity it seems, even looking back women were be encouraged to put white face paint on (in japan at least, don't know about the rest)
No. 2356427
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>>2356422picrel what i'm talking about
No. 2356432
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The drama over Arcane seems really reminiscent of Voltron to me. Makes me glad I never watched either show. People take shipping too seriously these days, I miss when crackshipping was more popular. Everyone worries too much over what's the most "canon" instead of just relaxing and having fun with their fanart or fanfic. It feels almost like fandoms have turned shipping into a retarded competition where the people who ship the endgame canon pairing "win." It's so strange to me. Like, it's fanfic, you can do literally whatever you want. You can stick together two characters who never even met and put them in an AU where humans colonized Mars. Just have fun with it, you know? Life's too short to turn every hobby into online discourse.
No. 2356443
>>2356432Arcane fans are slightly above Voltron fans because they actually
did have canon ships and weren't just being delusional kek, but they're still so autistic about it for no reason. Who ducking cares which ship has the most likes on AO3 or whatever,
go outside! No. 2356448
>>2356281>Don't you tards have like 3+ threads to argue and discuss gay anime porn?There can never be enough, apparently. There seems to be a small group of anons obsessed with this infight, and it's like they won't stop until every thread on the site gets derailed with sperging over gay Chinese cartoons. I can't fathom why someone would fixate so much on fighting about something so dumb and meaningless.
Interestingly, there were a lot fewer of these derails when the VPN ban was in effect, which suggests to me that a lot of it is probably just intentional bait.
No. 2356542
>>2356235>PicrelI just saw this but it makes me want to alog all the artists until they delete. That strapon shit traced from het porn really is degenerate. Anyone can disagree with me on this and call me a troon or whatever but it won't stop me from being utterly disgusted by the heterosexualisation of lesbian couples because female "artists" want to masturbate to ~big black weiners penetrating a white girl hole~ but they wanna look progressive about it.
Literally no better than trannies who sexually harass lesbians to draw futashit. Why do lesbians have to suffer because terminally online retards can't admit they have retarded fetishes? Fuck this straight earth.
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>>2356422>>2356427If you live in an asian country, it used to be very common for young boys to be 2-3 shades darker than girls and even adult men because they are much more likely to go outside while women are at home and adults are at work, this was really present in cities in previous generations, nowadays both men and women usually have the same skin tone because it's more common for everyone to spend more time indoors.
No. 2356834
>>2356792When it comes to proship/anti stuff I guess the steelman argument is the "normalization" aspect, so whether or not the incest content actually has
abusive dynamics/grooming involved doesn't matter. Incest shipping is bad because it normalizes the taboo, which will lead to people acting it out in real life, have incest be legalized, or people will be more easily groomed by relatives because they don't recognize it's wrong because of shipping or some shit like that. Of course, this is retarded when it applies to small scale fandom stuff and when you realize most people aren't sub 20 IQ retards but they think being fine with it on a small scale will lead to it being pushed with in mainstream content as well which kids will see and they'll grow up socialized to think incest is okay.
No. 2357756
>>2357009Incest, age gap/lolicon/shotacon and generally
abusive ships.