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>>2258499 No. 2293670
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Infinity Nikki released this week and the fandom not only has to suffer through the deluge of men looking for asspats for playing a "girls game", it's also handmaiden central with so many women actually making appreciation posts for GAMER MOIDS of all kinds of moid in the world.
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>look through my Twitter feed
>fanartists arguing with other women about whether the series they like is "feminist" enough.
I miss back when the only thing that mattered was whether you were a fucking nerd or not. I didn't think it'd get like this.
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>>2293670They are insufferable. What the fuck do they want? women arent going to salivate and simp after them like moids do when there is a girl in their niche hobby.
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how are people this fucking moralfaggy and retardrd now.
"what if it has taboo themes" it's fucking fiction. the whole point is that it isn't real
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Can anyone explain the thought process behind yumejoshis making their OC way more flameboyant and revealing than who they self ship with? And how it never focuses on their husbando but equal focus or even focuses on the woman? I'm a yumejoshi myself but my self insert is never the focal point because I don't see a need for it.
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>>2293670>>2294091Praying they drop the game and fuck off.
No. 2295299
>>2293670This shit is beyond annoying and is a plague in every female-dominated hobby. Moids get everything tailor-made to their shitty tastes and push women out of so many things, even things we helped create, but handmaidens
still have to self-flagellate over their feefees
No. 2295511
>>2295503Lame, they're really fun when you're not getting demolished.
Then it's painful. But, good discussion can really come out of it.
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>>2293670I hope they get bored quickly and leave once they realize the coomer outfits aren't coming and having to interact with cute boys to progress the story.
I remember moids coming to the discord wih the ps5 announcement and saying that paper will have to "accomodate them" with coomer fits since women don't play open-games and "the game will have to be profitable", I wish every female-led community didn't have the "be nice" rule so I could tell these scrotes to neck themselves.
No. 2295535
>>2295520yes unfortunately they have but it's still mostly women. Atleast the straight moids haven't touched it yet.
>>2295524>is monster high a female media anonyes it is, retard.
>>2295527it was and it is, that anon is just amish or a tradthot.
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>>2295533I checked the /vg/ thread and it's so fuckin funny watching the bandwagoner coomer moids trying so hard and failing at making coomer outfits. This is the best they can manage. And whining about how she can't be upskirted. So funny seeing moids act so bewildered encountering a game that doesn't care about them for the first time in their lives.
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>>2295543I loved MH, but I can't stand how hideous g3 Frankie is. They made her non-binary and gave her a wardrobe to match, only a gendie NLOG would think this total lack of cohesion and bright color vomits are fashionable. The whole point is that they're fashionable teens and she dresses like a bald +40 yo MTF.
No. 2295601
Have any anons here noticed the decline in fashion related games? When i go on steam (which is literally filled with porn unless you block it) i can barely find any fashion related games there. There is nothing new being made and all the past fashion games from the 2000's i already played.
>>2295591these are moids looking to coom, they don't care about coordination.
>>2295598no but i played something similiar and this is one of those gacha in-game-payment type of games so i don't really recommend it.
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>>2295615ok im back, i didn't fully download it because it's over 24gb (at first it says 1gb but then it requires 24gb). But from what i saw you can download the launcher (if you are on pc) on their official site. When downloaded it will open possibly in chinese so you have to change the language settings option by clicking on the settings tab.
After downloading it might crash. Also i checked and yes this is one of those games that are free-to-play but have alot of in-app-purchases just like a gacha or club penguin where you have to spend alot of money to have a good time or for your character to progress.
Finding the file location for this game is also a bit tricky….
No. 2295917
>>2295601Fashion games are mostly aimed at audiences that primarily play on their phones now, or if they play on PC they are playing free web games now. Steam is broadly aimed at people who expect to frontload an initial purchase. The sort of person that is playing free dress up games on her phone is satisfied with what she has, has never heard of steam and the prospect of being expected to fork over cash (even if its for a complete game) comes across as preposterous. The Sims is free now, she could just download that from EA and then download all the free clothing mods she wants. The gaming industry did a bad job of capturing the 'fashion game' market and failed to convert them to the monetization schemes that were successful with other genres.
The new Nikki game is the first of it's kind in terms of production values and it will probably be very successful, it might inspire new games of it's kind to be made.
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>>2295582>/vg/ threadDo they even care about the game, or is it all about upskirting Nikki? It’s honestly gross how most male gachafags can’t seem to enjoy a game unless the female characters are turned into total sex objects.
No. 2295993
>>2295973I hope they're truly as based as they seem to be.
>>2295963kek ikr, the only "female" audience that thinks that much about coordinating a female character's underwear is MtF trannies (males). That post seemed ironic though, because of course scrotes don't give a shit about what female players think, they are self-aware shameless coomers.
No. 2296001
>>2295917well that sucks…it feels like there are even less games now that fit the ''girly'' or female gaze criteria now than in the 2000's. There were so many female centric games back then and i ate all those time management, hidden object and fashion games up.
We need a renaissance for female gamers with fun games and none of that cozy bullshit with mediocre gameplay and overpriced steam prices we see now.
No. 2296100
>>2296076>pure simulator of dressing up with no other mechanicsLike just a character creator?
There's things like DAZ out there.
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>>2296076Have you guys ever heard of the game Life Makeover? It’s a Chinese dress up game and has been out for years. You can purely just dress up. Do gacha games to win more makeup, dresses etc and do murder mystery story modes with hot guys. They also most recently had a sims like update where you have a house and animal and can decorate and have your friends come over and eat your food. The graphics are really nice too. Before it was just on mobile which honestly if you don’t have big space on your phone I wouldn’t recommend. But I think just this past summer it was added to steam and you can play it on your desktop which is 10x better. It reminded me of shining Nikki but shining Nikki you had to be Nikki but in this game it’s a self insert. You can also have dark skin which is rare for dress up games that aren’t American. I don’t play sims but to me it’s like the Chinese version of sims.
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>>2293670There are some sane posts there now thankfully
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>>2296133Yet another moid full of shit.
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>>2295286they should add more boys like picrel so they could all leave already
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>>2295533The amount of seethe this game causes among males is delectable.
No. 2296316
>>2295582B-but they're the more visual creatures anon!
>>2295946>>2295963>>2295993A video game I'm in the fandom of has detailed upskirt shots with elaborate underwear (this is because the modern games are so unbelievably dogshit they have to resort to coom in order to sell and somehow, it distracts coomers from the shitty writing). And these faggot moids have the audacity to say "w-well panty shots are fanservice for women too because they can see the amount of effort put into the underwear!" like most women who aren't braindead pickmes care about coordinating underwear, kek.
>>2296164I was in this thread and got banned from that subreddit from arguing against this. It's ironic how they can comprehend target demographic when it's them, but can't comprehend why a game for women wouldn't have jiggle physics. Notice how if a man doesn't want bishie moids in coomer outfits it's never considered jealousy, but the inverse is.
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>>2296613What the fuck. You're right they deleted it
No. 2296682
>>2296638Coward mods, probably a moid too. But I think enough people saw it to encourage more women to call it out. And of course men are playing
victim over something as simple as "you don't need to mention that you're a man in every post", when women are hurled with slurs if we reveal our gender in male gaming spaces.
https://www.reddit.com/r/InfinityNikki/comments/1h9muuc/wich_level_of_delulu_is_this/ No. 2297015
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thank GOD the game is chinese so they wouldnt be pressured to add some fag shit and i hope they wont chase the coom money too
No. 2297456
>>2296164Ffs do those POS also argue that not being able to upskirt Nikki is uNrEALiStic? Funny how their crusade for realism is always centered on fighting for misogynistic coomfest and never for wrinkles, fatness and "ugly" female characters. If anything they throw bitchfests over the latter. Honestly, I hate moids so much it's unreal.
>>2295533>women don't play open world gamesIt's insufferable how frontpoles think they can say the most stupid shit and be taken seriously. Also their logic of "games for women don't sell, because muh less interest and muh wage gap" is just so fucking retarded. As if the casual game market hasn't pandered to women for literal decades and as if muh wage gap ever stopped corporations from disproportionally exploiting their female consoomer cash cows.
No. 2297707
>>2296155moid
victim mentality kek
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>>2296682I’m glad to see that women in that sub are still pushing back against the endless barrage of male whinging.
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Huh?
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>>2298145Unfortunately there are women out there who are also infected with this type of retardation
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>>2298324she looks nothing like the hentai monsters she defends as ''realistic potrayals of women''
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>>2295595i'm not like a monster high connoisseur because i didn't grow up with them (i was more of a eah girl) but i got into g3 after i bought a drac doll since she was so cute. so i looked into the other dolls and frankie's makes me so sad since her prototype (picrel) was pretty cute, maybe some tweaks to her outfit could've been made but she was so much better than the big head no neck we have today. when looking from afar as a little girl she was my favorite, i really liked her preppy outfit with the tie and the plaid… and now today, even if a new doll has a nice outfit, she might have one or two things that ruin the whole look.
honestly, g3 clawdeen pisses me off more than frankie though, all of her dolls are a crime against good taste lol. ignoring frankie's they/themness is easier with some dolls when she's not dressed like a hot topic alpha stereotype.
>>2296164that subreddit's a fucking joke kek. a couple years ago i lurked it out of curiosity and they were all malding over a new mortal kombat game because the female characters and their clothes were "ugly", they were unironically saying that companies now believe that being a straight man is a crime. please make your own games and leave normal people alone.
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thoughts?
No. 2298596
>>2296164The answer is because straight women don't want to look at obvious coom material created by and for males, just like straight moids don't want to look at pretty anime boys being sweet and loving to (you) or being gay and cute with each other.
>>2297881Right, men seethed so much about Raiden in MGS2 that he was made ugly in subsequent games so scrotes wouldn't feel emasculated by his presence again. Scrotes can't go one day without lying their ass off. Men also seethed so hard over that one FF protagonist having a revealing outfit that the devs changed it before the game was even released. Moids who say they don't feel threatened by attractive 2D males aren't actually talking about male characters that women find beautiful and hot, they're talking about the generic "handsome" male designs they're used to seeing in their scrote-oriented media with non-threatening males, such as
>>2296264 this shit, and pornified females. I bet they can't actually name one video game where it's the opposite. They even had a mass meltdown when Love & Deepspace became the second most profitable gacha game in China (IIRC), they wanted to kill themselves and made hundreds of posts and videos about how cute CGI husbandos being popular is a sign that society is doomed and there's a scary epidemic of women choosing them over real moids, etc. (nevermind the fact that this exact phenomenon has been happening with moids and their waifus for at least 5 decades and it's even worse)
>>2296638I ended up going into that sub because I wanted to download the game, it was one of the top posts yesterday. Coward fucking handmaiden mods.
The comments were mostly based, just women sharing their experiences, venting out their frustrations that all of us are too familiar with, you know. There was a surprising amount of posts with a subtle anti-scrote sentiment
I suspected that some of those users were farmers kek Many users saying that they thought they were mean for even daring to think the scrote posts were annoying and condescending or backhanded compliments, but being relieved to find out that it wasn't just them.
But of course there had to be a comment with quite a few upvotes defending trannies. It said something like
>right and these men keep calling themselves MALE like you couldn't be any more open about being transphobic????If I had a Reddit account I honestly would've told her that MtF trannies are males and FtM trannies are female and that all males have to be gatekept out of female spaces, including MtFs, lest those communities become infested with annoying MALE degenerates and ruined beyond recognition as it happens every single time you allow troons into your female-only spaces.
No. 2298619
>>2297015I want to dress cute boys in cute clothes, although I also want to dress my self-insert in cool/cute masculine clothes. Sucks that the most vocal people about this in the west are "nonbinary" and "transmasc" autistic retards, so this request often gets interpreted as a troon thing.
>>2297456>Also their logic of "games for women don't sell, because muh less interest and muh wage gap" is just so fucking retarded.It's extra retarded when you consider how the entire fashion industry is targeted at women specifically, the amount of women I know IRL, including my mother and aunts, who waste their own money on useless clothes, shoes, makeup, accessories, etc. (and still have enough to support themselves and their children) in the same way I waste my own money on video games and geek merch, completely destroys the notion that "PaNdErInG tO wOmEn DoEsNt SeLl BeCaUsE wOmEn DoN't HaVe MoNeY".
No. 2298996
>>2298670kek agree. the iz fandom was pretty wild, but did put out some impressive space/high school soap operas. tbh I kinda miss the energy and dedication fandoms like that had, like how fans were trying to animate the cut episodes themselves. feel like I don't see that kind of passion much anymore, but I guess that's what happens when fandoms become more like a trend and aesthetic to be a part of before moving on to the next popular or new thing.
>>2298990please complain anon, it sucks when a creator's fans stifle genuine critique or discussion of their work. also I wan to see if I know who you have in mind kek
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>>2298910But I try not to post anything that might be aggravating, even down to the length of shorts.
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>>2296164These are the type of scrotes in that reddit thread
No. 2300008
>>2298996Kek well he’s pretty popular so I feel weird saying it like I’m bitter or smth. I’m mostly upset because his writing is suffering and he has listened to his fans for input and shipping (ugh first mistake) and has a new editor (second mistake). He said his old editor would say he probably shouldn’t write a book on a subject so he decided to anyways. It turned out to be true and the book sucked. The last book he released had a second story with flashbacks along the main story. It could have been cut and the length and story itself would not suffer. His latest one just released and it’s over 1K pages. Already I can see how he should have tightened chapters and narrowed character focus, there are too many characters. What really sucks is his writing reads like a juvenile roleplay on Yahoo chats. He used to have better character voices now he relies on a stock set of cliches. Many characters sound homogenous and their language is modern, like using “neurotic” when describing a relationship between two characters. In that fantasy world they wouldn’t pathologize it like in our world.
Author - Sanderson
No. 2300032
>>2300008>>2300016Name and shame,
nonnie. I'm dying to know
No. 2300075
>>2300008i cant stand that guy, writes at a 3rd grade reading level and slaps you in the face with the narrative, telling the reader how everyone feels in the most autistic detached manner, "he felt sad" kek
such emotional depth. i heard he was getting better at writing women but i kind of doubt that.
No. 2300154
>>2300032Author is Brandon Sanderson.
>>2300046>>2300075I’m going to bounce between replying to you two. For example on writing women he did a decent job with Shallan (the character with multiple personalities before he decided she had that) and a few others. But because he started listening to his fans and decided that since Shallan admired her adult female mentor and also felt like an awkward young adult around her (she’s 16-17 at the start of the series I think) that she must be bi or gay. So he failed on that part because he agreed with the fans. Sorry awkward girls and female friendships, you lose. He also encouraged poly and trans characters due to the fans theories and input. He said he wouldn’t write gay characters because he wasn’t equipped but still put one in his magnum opus and it’s the cringiest thing, to quote the book “people can be gay, your thinking is old fashioned” or smth. Also a lesbian in his other series that says point blank she’s a lesbian in simple terms. Modern vernacular again.
He also uses Reddit a lot to understand characters so now his roster includes flat characters who represent: autism, atheism, agnosticism, a poor attempt at first wave feminism, asexuality, bisexual, lesbian, gay, depression, suicide, trauma, drug addiction, ptsd, multiple personalities, not being racist or sexist, and other such issues.
Reddit is a cesspool and feeds on itself. Even in his subs if you write a critique you’ll have people who work with him comment on a thread to gently correct you. I don’t know why he let go of his previous editor but it’s really starting to show with his latest book. I think the first editor helped keep his ideas manageable but now he can do no wrong so he continues making books with very little substance.
He had potential years ago but now I don’t see how he can continue his many series at this rate. I am continually disappointed as a fan.
No. 2300190
>>2300046As for ships he said Kaladin/Adolin/Shallan would be poly. Gross. In general this also affected his Mistborn trilogy because Era 2 got moved to the Western era and it’s 4-5 books. Who knows if he’ll get to Era 3. He bows down a lot to the fans. Like he said if there was an Era 1 Mistborn movie made he’d make some characters female because the book has too many male characters. However the dichotomy of being the only female main character with super strength helps her in the story because a character mentions the difference between the sexes - now taboo today. Things like that show he is pretty weak and wants everyone to be happy.
>>2300075Kek. There was an article last year where the author implied Brandon was autistic and he said he doesn’t think he is but then wrote a story about his high school times that sounded like he might be. Of course you can’t say anything bad about him. If he is or not I don’t care but having Reddit and his fans influence him is making his writing weak and I want to discuss it because I’m salty lmao.
No. 2300608
>>2300154>>2300154first ayrt, theres troonshit in there now?? ew, the troon-infested fandom did
not need that. care to give more info on that point? also im absolutely floored to hear that kaladin/adolin/shallan will be poly, i never thought hed go there given his mormonism.
if you don't mind, i'd be interested to hear some alternative recommendations you might have in the fantasy genre, since you seem well-versed. i've had a lot of problems with running into coomer "she breasted boobily"-tier writing in fantasy spheres (and ofc none of the moid reviews think to mention it because it's normal to them), and ngl sanderson not having any of this is what kept me with him for so long.
No. 2300796
>>2300608fantasy is just a moid genre. i have read a lot of stuff i consider really good and all of it has some sort of weirdness about women
for example Gene Wolfe (best i have read barring tolkien) has a really unique and interesting voice (try soldier of mist) but in one of his series (book of the new sun) one of the characters is literally a woman so airheaded and sexy no man can resist her
No. 2300830
>>2300700Good on you anon. Are you a fan?
>>2300608He didn’t outright say it about the poly ship in canon but said in an alternate universe it could/would happen, just to appease the fandom. The troon thing was a a blink and you miss it (which I hope he doesn’t expound on) about a queen of some country who got magic powers and made herself into a man. There’s an official pooner king in universe for some reason. He also made a main character gay and I’m cringing at his upcoming POV chapters.
As for recommendations it depends on what you like.
1. Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan is a modern classic. Books 1-10 are good but I’d say after 7-8 it starts to fall off. There are 13/14 in total. It’s a sprawling epic and does have some repetitive description but characters grow and change and complete an epic quest. I really enjoyed it for themes about male friendship and men and women working together, his world building etc. Sanderson took up the helm after Jordan passed because his work was incomplete at the time of his death. He tried his best but he messed up a favorite character of mine at the end. Don’t watch the show. The creator(s) openly said they didn’t read the books and also hate the series.
2. The Sharing Knife series by Lois McMaster Bujold. A 4 book series. I didn’t complete it because my library didn’t have them all at the time (they’re 20 years old I just looked lol) but I’m sure you can find them today. From what I remember it was about a man and a woman and a special knife with powers, overcoming one’s prejudice and marrying into another culture. I enoyed it for a bit of romance added to my fantasy reading.
3. The Sevenwaters Trilogy by Juliet Marillier. She does a great deal of research for her books. This series is actually 6 books in total. I think I stopped at on the third because it went into a weird rant at the end lol. The first story is a mythological retelling of the swan and her brothers and it goes on from there. It’s based in Briton/Ireland in sixth century and also includes Irish spellings of names and culture, thankfully there’s a glossary with phonetics included lol. There’s romance but I enjoyed it for its historical details and the genealogy of the family throughout the series. The book follows the child from the first book and so on.
Those are rather large series and older so if you want something modern I can look around. Hope it helps anon.
>>2300581Well he obviously didn’t listen and is always eager to approve of his fans ideas. He’s not worried about stealing, it’s more-so approving what they say. It’s a different type of fanbase that has a lot of creativity, which I can enjoy at times, but also can have the power to force what they want. I think it’s going to come back to bite him in the end.
No. 2301032
>>2298265>As a disabled woman of translucency What a dumb skank lol acting like a whiny
victim over the most insignificant things.she seriously needs to grow up instead of crying online for not having muh jiggle physics!!11 gosh she's retarded
No. 2301079
>>2300008ayrt and I knew it was gonna be Sanderson. His writing is so shit, I'd put off reading anything by him for years but kept seeing his work recced in seemingly every 'best fantasy' list, and was honestly appalled when I finally caved and gave him a shot. Read Way of Kings since everyone was raving about it, thought it was garbage so tried Mistborn, but it had the exact same problems, and so did his first book, Elantris. His prose is beige and juvenile, but also unbelievably long-winded– felt like I was reading a particularly boring 14 year old's epic fantasy draft the whole time, or an appliance instruction manual.
His worldbuilding is also pretty weak, especially if you're familiar with a wide range of sf/f authors, yet his fans won't shut up about it, and his magic systems/the action used to execute them read like an autist trying to describe every detail of a combat clip from a video game. I don't mind more modern terminology being used in fantasy, but his use feels less like it's helping to build the world and more like he just didn't think about the implications of such word choice. All of his books would be improved by being edited to 350 pages, and no one will ever change my mind on that. I will also never get over the stupid currency used in Stormlight lmao, or the mmo emote spren.
Sorry I could screech about Sanderson and his insipid reddit cult for hours kek. Criticism of his work is comparatively rare because even mild dislike will summon his white knights to come defend his shitty books, so many don't bother or assume that because the books have such a positive reputation, that it's them who is at fault or the wrong person to be reading them.
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>>2301079Thank you
nonny. I’ve had the same thoughts and it sucks you can’t voice them for fear of the fandom wrath.
I actually liked Mistborn era 1 because it was his first trilogy and the writing was better than his debut novel. At the time he only had those four books when I discovered him and was still rather unknown. Around Warbreaker I realized his work had a lot of weakness and repetitive character archetypes which years later hurt his multiple series because I often get characters confused with one another. His grand spanning crossovers aren’t helping much either. I can’t afford to keep up.
He was getting better with WoK and the second one but by the third or fourth book a lot of characters regressed and I couldn’t stand it. I also read Mistborn era 2 suffered a lot from flat characters but I haven’t read past the novella of era 2 which started Wax and Wayne. I’m salty changed a lot of the setting from the previous trilogy. It’s like going from Avatar to Korra.
His world building and magic systems I enjoy(ed) to a point. His novel way of showing magic in his worlds was stronger in the first few books and felt refreshing and unique. I would agree with you that if his works were 350-500 pages he would do just fine. I think that’s what made him a good author in the past because he had restraints. His new editor and leagues of fans (beta readers especially) are slowing him down and not telling him hard truths in love so his current books are declining in what little quality they had before.
No. 2301459
>>2299103Listen, disgusting freak, it's not the devs' fault that YOU fetishize normal women's clothes in a dress-up game for WOMEN. Women don't see it that way, YOU do because you're a degenerate male. Do you also point at underage schoolgirls in real life and tell the whole world that their uniforms are """lewd""" like a raging pedophile? Because if you do, you need to be thrown into jail ASAP. You want to goon to virtual girls wearing normal clothes as a fetish? Go play hentai rape games instead, this game isn't for you unlike 90% of all anime games out there.
God, I wish I had an account there so I could reply this to him. I'm so sick of scrotes, they need to be publicly shamed into shutting up. Women on social media are too fucking nice to tell the truth directly to their gross pedocoomer faces. They (males) wouldn't have the same restraint with women.
I'm so fed up with males it's unreal
>>2299382Kek same I downloaded and started playing it yesterday just to support them and so their female playerbase grows, I've never even played a Nikki game before. Scrotoids need to be gatekept the FUCK out of female-oriented media (see: bronies, lolicons), just as they need to be kept out of female-only bathrooms and shelters, because they're huge rapist creeps that only care about their dicks. This might be a bit cringe but I even suggested a way to try to stop the moid invasion from occurring when I did the in-game survey kek sorry
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>>2299103I hope these types of videos don't catch the attention of the anti-woke crowd because it'll just be mouth washing + asmongold situation all over again
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>>2299103>mini dress>school skirt>sports bra top>fish nets/stockings>haphazard messes of an outfit with cleavage just for the sake of having cleavageso you admit it? you admit that male coom is the antithesis of aestheticism and beauty and taste?
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>>2301459i was just about to download it too but this showed up and it scared the shit out of me kek
No. 2301572
>>2301112I can understand why people might like his earlier work, especially if they read it at the time it was coming out, but what I don't get is how hard it's hyped up to this day. Like many authors, what potential he may have had has been squandered by having 'made it' in publishing– he has no reason to improve, aside from love of the craft, which I personally do not feel from his work or what I've seen of his opinion on it/writing in general. I'm sorry that the series you enjoyed fell apart, that always sucks, and yeah his attempt at crossovers/shared universe stuff is clunky at best and detrimental to the individual stories at worst (I heard that the latest/end(?) of Mistborn era 2 involved focus being shifted to cosmere stuff over the existing characters/storylines, but idk of course how true that was just that I wouldn't be surprised). I don't really get why he's insistent on making a Marvel multiverse out of his stories, or why his sycophantic fans think a shared-universe is unique to Sanderson.
>>2301121kek I agree, although imo 'hard' or explained magic systems can work in the right story (eg HP technically has a harder than soft magic system, which works with the school setting, and alchemical/component based systems can be a lot of fun too), but their major flaw imo is that it places all of the magic on characters and removes it from the world at large, which kills the fantasy feel (I don't think I've seen a true hard magic system, with no background soft magic, that didn't just feel like a tool wielded by the main characters like xmen powers in the end). I also feel like a lot of people don't get that soft magic systems aren't absent of explanation too, and that very few books really just resort to 'a wizard did it' or 'no rules, only convenience' style magic, but hey this stuff is championed by redditors so I guess the erroneous simplification is expected kek
No. 2301697
>>2301571Men can never be satisfied with what they already have. Why would they be when they won? They can have all the toys while women get scraps.
>>2301121>The autism with MUH MAGIC SYSTEMSSomeone once made a post on some subreddit where once magic gets explained too much it stops feeling like magic. The redditors weren't having it and downvoted that post into oblivion. No matter what you do or say, critiquing the very notion of hard magic will surely get the sanderson attack dogs on your rear. I knew I had. Honestly, after lurking these subs, I've grown to just hate the concept of over-explained magic and it's many forms. They could've stuck to capeshit or scifi but nope, fantasy must make sense somehow.
Everytime I see a scrote sperg about "soft magic bad" I often wonder what's the point? If hard magic good, why is it bad to use the opposite or something in the middle? Aren't all "magic" systems
valid in the end?
No. 2301743
>>2301697From my experience, people who fervently rag on soft magic systems like that are either a) speds who need everything explained to them like a set of video game mechanics and have rigid boundaries and limits that are transparently described because anything else makes them feel confused and head-hurty, or b) just dunking on soft magic because they've heard it's bad and lack familiarity with the fantasy genre to know what it actually means other than that their pet author likes writing magic systems one way over the other. Sanderson has a lot of both as his fans (with imo type A also being the same ones that crow on and on about the supposed depth and emotionality of his characters, even though, as another anon said, Sanderson bluntly and repeatedly beats his readers over the head about any aspect of, well,
anything he's writing, but particularly in this case his character's feelings and motivations, to the point that it's impossible
not to understand them, shallow as they are). Hard, soft, and the gradient of magic systems in between have their place and suit certain stories, it's not a one-size-fits-all situation.
Actually, I've always found his fans kinda odd, as it's seemed to me that they're more fans of Sanderson himself/the
idea of his work rather than a particular series or character/s. I rarely see them break reddit containment to produce fan content, only to white knight in comment sections on other platforms. Idk, for all his series gets harped on about, I've seen barely any fanart or references to it, unlike other popular fantasy series (though his work has definitely had an impact on published fantasy, don't get me wrong). Weird.
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I have some strong negative opinions on Grant Morrison, but he's not wrong when he said this. Hard magic systemfags fit this to a T.
No. 2301916
>>2301551These are the same men who go "Don't like it, don't play/watch it" when women have
valid critique about a show that is way too coomery. Of course they cant enjoy a game unless it's borderline porn.
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It's pretty much a parasocial relationship at this point
No. 2302799
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how are people falling for this shit
No. 2303251
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>join Girls Frontline 2 discord server
>they just ask me what server i am playing in
>join Infinity nikki discord server
>they ask me my pronouns
i cant take it anymore why is gendie shit shoved down women's throat in fandom so much? this is so tired. Before they got rid of the emoji option i could see 99% of players were she/her(so, normal women) there were only like 4k gendies in a server with 100k+ users so why push this garbage to women when gendies arent even that common. Mental illness.
No. 2303285
>>2303276I am in the discord for the giveaways, events and codes, it has way too many users and channels move too fast anyways, the thread is actually usable.
>>2303277my waifu is in it, albeit botched as fuck. I actually like the GF slop gachashits, they have decent gameplays that arent too mindless for mobile games. It also fills the void VC left, i need more turn based rpgs with animu characters, xcom is ugly as hell. I havent even tried it yet though, i am not sure if the gameplay is good or not, but god i wish there was a similar game with husbandos.
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>>2303077>like how there’s so many fundraisers when Gaza doesn’t even have internetThat’s the least surprising part, there’s been a ton of e-sim donation drives since last year which gives people access to internet, how do you think journalists like Hind and Bisan had been posting from Gaza?
I know an organization which has teams of volunteers in Gaza and occasionally they’ll ask for help finding people who can host fundraisers for Palestinians. There are plenty of real fundraisers that go ignored, just practice decent judgment.
However I do lean towards
>>2302799 being fake. I understand people just seeing her account falling for it at face value because they’re likely just young people who want to help. But yeah, they need to pay more attention.
That account also quote retweeted a news post, one about bullies sneaking into the hospital to take photos of a 12yo black girl who they had bullied into hanging herself. And the first sentence of the qrt was “Maybe this work will interrupt you to pay attention to us” wtf. It had 1.5k retweets and nobody brought up how weird that was. I guess people are scared to criticize, but it also seems like their lesser empathy for black girls blinded them from noticing how obviously that was a bot.
No. 2305795
>>2302799i'm pro palestine and yet i still find it hard to feel sympathy for these posts, i need them to be a verified scam to be at peace and not feel like an insensitive asshole but something about them still feels so odd? like if you're in the middle of war your last worry would be to do a little drawing for twitter, right? plus, there's the thing that all of these posts target trends that are popular with younger, guillible crowds, of course all of those that retweet and donate feel guilty!
and some of these accounts have a premium sub, which once again, if you really were living through wartimes you'd rather spend that money in something that might actually help your situation.
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>crossdressing is widely accepted and encouraged in japan
No. 2307479
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It's been a week since IN has been out and now yuritroons are not only attacking fujos but they are also attacking hetshippers too, they are speedrunning the destruction of the fandom.
No. 2307486
>>2307483It boggles the mind actually. If you supposedly "won" with a canon yuri ship how are you
still spending more time malding than creating fancontent. If other shippers can create full meals out of crumbs, but you still can't feed yourself with meat and potatoes, what does that say about you at that point?
No. 2307501
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>>2307479>feels threatened by 2D men but then proceeds to cape for tranny cock like a good handmaidenModern fanbases are a joke.
No. 2307566
>>2307479Idk why but its so funny how these moids and yuritroons latched onto this game when they didn't even know about Nikki or any of the other Nikki games until a month ago when the open world version got released.
And now they are forcibly trying to take over the fandom, invade it and mansplain it to women who have been playing Nikki games for years….the entitlement of it all
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>>2307479>don't ship Nikki with men>but also don't write slash crackfics featuring side male charactersI don’t even like hetshit or agegap, but the Venn diagram of Twitter yurifags and gacha incels who lose their minds over 2D men overlaps so perfectly it’s basically one big circle.
>>2307566I am so disappointed. I thought these tards - whose only contribution to any fanbase is creating discourse, would stick to Hoyoshit. But now they are all migrating to Infinity Nikki en masse.
No. 2307599
>>2307586nah if you were on the chopping block you would understand, alot of these zoomies are chronically online and behave like stalkers and don't let go or stop harassing whichever person they have latched on to until that person apologizes and begs for forgiveness.
Also trannies and zoomies love writing death threats for some reason so you just know this person has probably received alot of ''pull the
trigger on the gun'' ''slit your wrists'' or ''kill yourself'' type of messages.
>>2307501>handmaidednthat's very clearly a tranny. Peep at the ''lilith'' profile name, the most overused name by trannies for some reason.
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Infinity Nikki looks like a lovely game and all but after scrolling through the Twitter tag for half an hour I realised that this game is peak yuritroon and himejoshi bait. Inevitably it will start attracting all the fandom bullies like flies so that I can enjoy my current favourite games in peace. Kek. Bye bye forever, tards. You will not be missed.
No. 2307645
>>2307599The only way around this is to pull a reverse witch hunt and bombard them with fake screenshots of the original zoomie saying that trans women are men, or the trannies saying that they're biotrans. Make them eat shit for picking a fight, dox them and their families and encourage everyone to write to their schools, go salted earth on everyone even vaguely involved. They love to cannibalize themselves, and chances are, the original shit stirrer was a cunt to everyone else too and they'll be more than happy to join the dogpile.
It sucks to be at the center of the weeny hut jr citizen police, but if you're big enough when going silent isn't enough to make them lose interest, you have to nuke that shit. God I hate how bad online bullying has gotten, I wish everyone could log off and walk away but they get off on being stalkers. Australia has the right idea making everyone link their ID to their social media, any time Sanriocore Goebbels starts shit someone can call the parents and inform them that their baby girl is sending rape and death threats over Kpop on the internet again.
No. 2307654
>>2307611Love Nikki (the og game referenced in the tweet) was known for having absolutely insane misleading ads that had 0 to do with game content so the troonshit doesn't actualky feature in. There are crossdressing characters iirc but it's shit like an actor that specialises in female roles, not western gendershit. the core aspect of the series is literally just dressinf up, the chatacyers and stories aren't that important.
there are gendies in the fandom but you can just play the game without interacting with them.
No. 2307661
>>2307493Kimi isn't even in the new game (or shining) and it's up in the air if she even exists at all for this new Nikki. Kimi also kissed a male character in Love Nikki so both are just baiting, it's a gacha what do you expect?
I don't really care one way or another about yuri shipping, go nuts, but come the fuck on. It's no reason to harass others on what they choose to do for fun.
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>>2307611>>2307659There were also Nikki ads where she was able to get fat, date men, and straight up fujobait.
Mobile ads are just misleading.
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>>2307668>>2307664you're one of those yuritroons aren't you? Also funny how you mention seething over other people considering that's exactly what yuritroons do, one of the posts you tagged is literally someone who had to beg yuritroons to stop harassing them but you say living rent free in their mind? hmmm…seems like you are projecting especially with your fujo mention which has nothing to do with this conversation (why do yuritroons let fujos live rent free in their minds).
Tired of moids and yuritroons destroying peaceful female fandoms, you are like parasites leeching off the host and leaving it for dead once you are done with it, at this point i am thinking of learning chinese or korean just so i never have to interact with western and int fandoms again.
Why can't you retards go to communities that are trying to pander to you instead like that new Intergalactic butch dyke game, go play that shit instead and spread your cancer there you ugly nlog.
(taking the bait) No. 2307707
>>2307692i thought that was bait or made by yuripedo. Saying ''degraded by cock'' for a game that's safe for work and made for underage people too is such a weird statement. Like does yuripedo see a man and immediately think about cock or sucking cock? That's so weird, seems like yuripedos and yuritroons love imagining cock or naked men more than straight women do.
>>2307687i don't care about naruto or their autistic ships but i would rather tolerate that fujoshit ship from that fandom than the sarada x naruto pedos.
>>2307703>yuripedos/troons bait over and over again>someone finally replied to their bait because you keep defending troons>haa so that means you fujofeces bitches want to infightI know what you are.
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>>2307489>Degraded by cockPeak yuritroon logic. Let me guess. You also believe that heterosexual women deserve to be oppressed for “””choosing””” to date men? There’s nothing more moid-brained than blaming straight women for being
victims of the patriarchy as if eating pussy would magically solve femicide rates or rape culture. Think with your female brain nona, abeg.
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>replying to bait
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>>2307559Because he's a sexpot why else
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>>2307663My personal favorite.
No. 2307721
>>2307710idk but the boruto fandom seems even more autistic and
toxic the original naruto fandom. The boruto fandom seems to consist of pedos who love shipping kids with adults…. straight scrotes in the boruto fandom love sarada x naruto and the gay ones love boruto x naruto. Poor naruto being used as a self-insert for pedo scrotes.
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>>2307501>>2307479>>2307599It's a woman. A gendie retard, but still a woman. And an anti-fujo snowflake on top of that.
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>>2307789I am actually so thankful my dressup gacha of choice isn't this popular. When it first launched on global the same type of players attached themselves to it but luckily most of them didn't stick. I hope a similar thing will happen with IN, most terminally online gendies that love to police fandom spaces are major fandom hoppers and only stick to stuff while it's at the peak of its popularity. I pray it doesn't go down the same way FromSoft fandom did.
No. 2307888
>>2307885No, no. It's my fault for not being more concise in what I was referring to and I miss-replied
>>2307877 to
>>2307868 instead of
>>2307870 No. 2308067
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Fandom culture is so prolife some fanfic read like the plot of an evangelical movie about abortion. So many fanfics with forced pregnancy as a result rape where the ending is them not only keeping the baby but raising them. So of course when a game is made about rape culture and one of the characters is pregnant this is the reaction to any fanart that features realistic depictions of post partum.
>a character having post partum depression makes them as evil as the canon rapist and attempted murder-suicider
I have seen so many fanarts and fanfics where the happy ending AU for Anya is her raising the child that's a product of rape. Not maybe you know giving the child up to foster care and moving on.
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>>23080672/2 the tweet that started this shitstorm
>>2308071because as liberal as fan work creators claim to be they are insanely prolife. Every fanfic I've read already has the protag rambling about "not killing the baby" or "it would hurt the scrote's fweelings if their child was aborted". They don't even see how they repeat the same talking points as prolifers
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>>2308076Why would she cry for a baby that she did not want in the first place?
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>>2308098He's the same guy who did the Aushwitz Spy x Family art. I hate this ragebaiting moid but I wish people would realize the only response is to not acknowlege him.
>>2308071A key point in the story is that she going to be stuck on the same ship for the next 8 months, so abortion was not a possibility.
No. 2308165
>>2308156stuck on the same ship for the next 8 months, so abortion was not a possibility.nigga
what? Okay, every detail that's dropped about this game makes me feel like this character was designed specifically to be the butt-monkey, punching bag for the dev's weird kicks. I agree with this anon
>>2308159. Some writers in all mediums make it so obvious that they just like imagining women in pain.
(integrate) No. 2308330
Can retarded scrotes leave female media alone tell me why i was scrolling through my fyp and this landed on it with some scrote making a meme from fucking "tears on a withered flower" (why does that scrote even fucking know about it, women need to stop sharing shit with scrotes).
And the video is just your usual bullshit of some scrote giving his dating strategy advice. Like i don't give a fuck about your usual bullshit unwarranted advice on how to get your dick wet and use women and skip these videos but why the FUCK is tears on a withered flower used as the background image, ruined my fucking mood. The only thing scrotes should focus on is their withering erections and hairline.
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>>2308520watched the whole thing with a straight face
except the tourettes moment, that got a chuckle out of me No. 2308577
>>2308566Jecca telling the protestor to fuck off made me chuckle from how sudden it was but the rest was straight ass. It doesn't even have the
>well the animation was goodother indies can work off of
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I just want to complain about how annoying and slightly lonely it is being a small dev that isn't into gender stuff. I can tolerate a lot but this is just getting ridiculous kek. Not to mention the weird pressure people in communities and game jams put on you for not adding crap like this into your games.
No. 2308630
>>2308613That's why I don't partake in game jams. At least with your own game if someone questions why isn't there XYZ you can just wave it away with "Oh I don't to do that as someone who isn't queer and give bad representation" or something along those lines
But when people you're working with start grilling you it effects how the project will come out and I think it's more likely said people will try to dig dirt on you than a stranger passing by your games page wondering where's the top scar option
>>2308619Seems no matter the medium Class of '09s only good point is the voice acting kek
No. 2308832
>>2308630>>2308619The voice acting carried the original game
hard, a lot of the jokes were only funny because of the delivery. The second "instalment" (or whatever it was) bombed so hard because the dev got cocky and assumed the fanbase would love anything he shat out.
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>>2308829This was a pretty popular jam in my niche. Obviously things like this are not going to change my plans but it's annoying seeing similar stuff all the time. Saw another dev in a conference talking about how there's "no excuse" to not add a pronoun feature. Even outside of jams the pervasive gendieshit makes socializing and networking tough because I'm just sick of all of this and I won't play along
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>>2309368>even within niches like 'yandere' gamesthat reminds me of the failed project "state of limerence" where the devs prided on the characters being a diverse cast…. except the diverse characters are the rivals youre supposed to be eliminating which means they ended up making a game where you bully and harass minorities KEK
No. 2309399
>>2309389The "yandere game" genre was
so milky during its heyday kek. My favourite parts were YanDev threatening to kill himself over a more competently made demo, and the shitstorm that ensued when one project's lead artist copyrighted her designs out of spite.
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This thread is so boring these days. I think nonas have started to confuse fandom ‘discourse’ (people acting retarded in fandoms) with their own complaints about media with big fandoms. No1curr about your personal opinions, I need nonas to start posting milky screencaps again.
No. 2309725
>>2309561Right? Blowing his money on a
Samus sex doll was another one of my favourite parts. It's fascinating how he had no sympathetic qualities
whatsoever kek
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>>2309537The only yandere games that don't crash and burn are the ones where you play as their
victim. Picrel is old as fuck though.
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>>2308156Lol same moids are seething over this QRT of someone drawing anya murder her rape baby after birth. They're crying because they think all women have ultra maternal instinct and that post-partum psychosis isn't that intense. Picrel doesn't even portray this action as good, males are just seething over the fact it's even being portrayed and calling it "muh baby abuse". Also notice how it's always the ones who smugly go "well, muh anime rape and pedophilia is just fiction so it doesn't have any effect on reality!!" then when someone actually explores dark themes they start shitting themselves? KAM
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>>2309734He also did a game where the protagonist is a yandere
No. 2309979
>>2309894It's fascinating how much muh baby moralfaggotry comes from the sex that:
1) rapes babies
2) engages in infanticide as a reproductive strategy.
The moid is a simple animal, and there's nothing behind this seething except primordial fear that Stacy will easily uninstall his genes even if he manages to impregnate her by force. Anyone who believes they give a shit about babies is beyond delusional.
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>>2307611>>2307479Ewwww kys trannies, get the fuck off my game. Playing it won't make you any less of a man or any more female
>>2307973Nta but there are trannies that are genuinely seething at the presence of cute male characters in the game, someone posted screenshots last week
>>2307837I don't think otome elements are necessary but just having the cute guys at all should be enough, especially if you're required to interact with them a lot and there's some light shipbait. That would make them quit the game for sure, when they realize Nikki games are not for their coomer male selves
(infighting/troonfoiling) No. 2310123
>>2310116This, it's more "as long as they're girly its still fine, right?!" than liking masculine characters.
The more "manly" the male characters show up and act, the more pissy they're going to get. I've already seen the "Well the game isn't that good anyway! What can you expecct from homophobic China!" start.
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>two voice actors in an incredibly long-running series happen to be gay (which is normal), so that means we must automatically accept random queer headcanons and non-binary characters
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This rhetoric is genuinely exhausting. Imagine if people started calling black fans ‘racist’ whenever they dislike a black character. But we don’t. Why? Because their opinions are the ones which actually matter most when it comes to black characters, and because racism is infinitely more important in the context of real people over fiction. But then you have these tards who argue that huge swathes of female fans are inherently misogynistic(???) for not putting every female character in existence on a pedestal. Straight men couldn’t give less of a fuck about male characters. Expecting women to behave differently is just another form of misogyny in and of itself. “I want women to ignore their own interests and make stuff for me” is not the progressive take these people seem to think it is. Women don’t owe anyone anything with regards to the fan content they make. Fandom is literally just a hobby: they’re 100% entitled to create what they personally like and nothing else. I can’t wait for people to grow out of this phase the same way they grew out of that 2018 era ‘fujoshis are le problematic man fetishisers!!!!!’ crap.
No. 2312504
>>2312492I agree with everything you said but the other thing that bugs me about that discourse is that the treatment of female characters is super fandom dependent. Kids are apparently out here consuming nothing but yaoi bait and media created by misogynists and then acting like yaoibait fandom is representative of all fandom. There's plenty of fandoms where the fan favorites are female characters, even ones where the juggernaut ships are lesbian despite canon pairings being mostly straight. Like, I'm sorry fans of this thing don't like the same stuff as you, but that's a you problem, not a fandom problem.
And that's a generous take, I know. This rhetoric has nothing to do with with what they actually like: they don't care about the female characters in that IP either, but they've been taught that noticing and calling out this kind of thing gets them virtue points in online discourse which I guess they think they can trade for guilt free consumption of fanwork they find morally distasteful in some way. It's an immature thought process and it's so fucking annoying to listen to.
No. 2312523
>>2312520What you're saying only applies to shipping. That's the issue, people like the one on the screenshot think that just because women often like to ship men with each other or like to self insert in a female character means they dislike female characters as a whole. There are plenty of women who like a lot of female characters a lot out there, but whoever believe that "women are male centered because they mostly talk about male characters" doesn't even see these women talk about whatever their favorite stories and characters are in the first place. I could endlessly sperg about shojo manga I like and grew up with on social media and talk about the female characters in these manga but nobody would notice because of what
>>2312504 explained, they're biased and into stories centered around male characters so that's what they're going to see on their TL or look for.
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>>2312492I sometimes want to join in the twitter conversation to ask these spegs if they think the same about men into cgdct media. I want to ask them if they think Blue Archive fans are actually misandrist kings for hating men near their waifus so much the whole anime had to replace human males with robots and fucking furries so their waifus dont have to talk with men that isnt their self insert.
No. 2312536
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>>2312525Anime is a degenerate medium dominated by the male gaze. Whenever I want to find complex and interesting female characters, I go and read classic novels or indulge in
literally anything else other than Japanese coomslop cartoons. It’s soft core porn, nothing more. Anyone who views anime as deeper than that is either a autist or seriously needs to grow the fuck up.
No. 2312556
>>2312536>It’s soft core porn, nothing more.There are so many anime that aren't like that at all, maybe either look for them or read good manga that don't have anime adaptations.
>Whenever I want to find complex and interesting female characters, I go and read classic novelsIt's the same thing, it depends on each novel. Some are really good and have interesting female characters, others are written by males who think writing women as sex objects is 2deep4u and philosophical and shit. If I want to read or watch anything with main female characters I prefer to look up who wrote the story to see if I'm going to be disappointed.
No. 2312626
>>2300008I'm very late to the party, but lel i can't miss to dank on Sanderson. I remember reading Mistborn because it was all the range a while ago before it was overshadowed by the stormlight.
Anyway, I like this book well enough before I read the scene that made me ragequit the book.
Basically, our heroine visited a ball and among all the suitors she picked some fedora nice guy who was sitting alone, surrounded by a pile of books. During a ball. Sitting alone. Reading some fucking books on statecraft and history. And the heroine was like "wow, he is so smart and mysterious, I need to talk to him." And she did. And this absolute retard started sperging out about books and history and shit. I thought this was the dumbest romance starter I've read yet, and I read omegaverse mpreg fanfics.
No. 2312778
>>2307585NEVER APOLOGIZE
These mobs detect weakness like sharks smell blood in the water, but then again, someone like her is usually IN the mob so she wouldn't know not to respond when being in the receiving end
>>2307611>41k likes>>2312492"Liking male characters more = misogyny" is a well-documented troon beggar psyop at this point, you could make a whole collage out of examples
No. 2312786
>>2312778I've seen teenage girls and toung women in their "your fave is
problematic" era say this way before troons copied them to force artists to draw and write their waifus and favorite yuri pairings. But like 10 years ago. Troons are so bad at imitating us they took nearly a decade to restart an old and tired fandom argument, but on the other hand that means clueless handmaidens in almost 2025 are now parroting these troons who say that liking male characters is misogyny.
No. 2312791
>>2312492Skill issue on their part. If they want autistic rants about shallow female characters, they should do it themselves. It's not like the essays written by women on their blorbos hold any actual value either. Fandom, especially nowadays, is so deeply self indulgent, that people are mad that other fan's content in it isn't made to them.
>>2312689The less complex the character, the easier it is to create self-indulgent interpretations.
No. 2312818
>>2312791I think the core of the issue is really how many fans just see fanworks as something for them to mindlessly consume. Fandoms nowadays are full of people who just let fan content slide down their throats as the twitter algorithm feeds it to them. They aren’t the kind of people who have real passion for their favored characters and ships, they aren’t going on Pixiv to read every JP fic they can find of their fav through DeepL or trawling the depths of poipiku to find artists drawing unpopular ships, and they
definitely aren’t making fancontent themselves. Fandoms begins and ends with the shitposts the algo feeds them to these people.
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>>2312536I know animanga isn't deep but it's still fun and enjoyable to me especially material aimed at women. People enjoy Fast and Furious movies and YA novels and sports and trashy reality TV. Why do we have to always rehash this topic over and over again? It's possible to enjoy both anime and Russian novels for fun you know? God forbid I want to turn off my brain and see ikemen after I get home from work
No. 2312853
>>2312827You misunderstand: I’m agreeing with you nona. I love your picrel and I do enjoy anime from my childhood (even if I’ve grown out of watching new ones), I’m just saying that it’s retarded to try and get anything more than cheap entertainment out of it. Anime was designed as waifu media and it will forever be waifu (and occasionally husbando) media. Anyone who pretends ‘muh female characters = feminism’ and other real life political issues deserves nothing more than a heavy eyeroll.
>>2312832Stop being retarded and personalityfoiling, I don’t have a clue who you’re referring to and nor does anyone else.
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>>2312972This here is a textbook example of a yurifag offloading responsibility for her own laziness onto fujoshis. No one is to blame for you not writing essays on female characters but yourself. No fujoshi has ever stopped writing yaoi despite dozens of 50k+ hate tweets over ‘le ebil gay male characters!!!’ Suck it up and get to work like the rest of us plebeian female fans.
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STOP IT WITH YOUR ANIME WARS.
No. 2313041
>>2313008>>2313015I am a fujo, I'm not kneeling to you, asking you to write essays. I'm just sad people here do shit like this
>>2312567 when others try to discuss characters they enjoy.
No. 2313060
>>2313016And barely anyone posts there because…
drumroll they only care about virtue signalling their love of female characters instead of doing anything about it literally ever
No. 2313075
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Why do female characters or shows have to be as complex as a novel from a /lit/ recommendation list? I'm not autist or a womanchild for liking characters like Saki from Shinsekai Yori and for seeing my favorite manga as more than softcore porn. It doesn't matter what other people think either and I think there are more anti-fujos than active yuri fans. The /m/ thread is dead while /fujo/ is active and on its 21th thread.
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>>2313075I have a moeblob waifu and yaoi open in another tab. The thing is, the female character "likers" on lolcow are all posers who care more about shitting on other women than they do about their supposed female faves. Why would I ever want to talk to someone about my female faves when they spend more time shitting on me in other threads than posting about things they like?
No. 2313082
>>2313075There's more fujos that take recs and read fujo works, I think that's important. You can post a female character but with nobody to bounce back it's just sort of dead.
>inb4 you want me to write essay?!?!!!Not saying that people need to reply or anything, it is what it is!!
A good chunk of the fujo's discussions have less to do with actual works and more to do with fanfiction as well, wonder if it's just a general push of fanfiction taking over canon discussion.
No. 2313084
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>>2313082i fucking hate fanfiction that shit shouldnt even exist
No. 2313092
>>2313075right. my absolute #1 fave character is mcgonagall from harry potter and i could write entire essays about her, and i have female faves from all kind of media. i also consider myself a fujo and read lots of m/m.
the two aren't mutually exclusive and even if they were, i don't seee why moralfags should get to have an opinion about wat others prefer.
some people just want to moralfag about what others are allowed to like and it's ridiculous. i don't see why there should be a quota of "you should like this many female characters before you're allowed to read m/m or else you're
problematic."
>>2313008based
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Nonnies it's so difficult being a fan in modern times when your favourite Japanese and Korean artists keep getting harassed by the retards of the world until they go private or DFE. Sometimes my faves don't even need to be harassed they just DFE anyway. It's so disheartening/distressing trying to appreciate art when it feels like the Library of Alexandria is happening every week.
No. 2313117
>>2313096Samefag, but I've had to explain character plot points and how it was heavily foreshadowed one step at a time because others were all
>It's anime so its slop, not that deep lol. The author probably didn't think of what they were writing, pulled it out of their ass.When it was so clear the author had it planned that they wrote out of context twists in their Twitter 10 years in advance. It's almost sad that that sort of foreshadowing and thought can't be appreciated because
>It's not that deep. No. 2313158
>>2313082Fanfiction and canon discussion are separate things to me, but I agree that fanwork discussions overshadow current canon discussion on all levels, especially related to shipping or character devotion.
>>2313146What people want from characters is a really personal experience. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with liking or disliking a character. The reasons can discussed, but people will hate other people for petty reasons, it's not different with characters.
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>>2313160Yeah. I remember when some sperg chimped out about Lyra from Pokemons design being "coom slop for moids" because it was a more girly design than Kris' old one. I think not being able to understand that people can like things like female characters for non coom reasons is a sign of mental illness.
No. 2313181
>>2313092The perception that all fujos hate female characters comes from actually misogynistic fujos that can be found in the wild and turboautists whose idea of a good female character is an ugly and fat loser girl they can easily self insert into (that's why they prefer yaoi, because any other kind of female character
triggers them) that have actually posted here before shitting on all female characters like she was about to come out as a TIF. Of course, they're just a minority, but their unhinged mentality really gives a bad name to all fujos. Anyone normal knows that fujos aren't a monolith, they all have their reasons to like yaoi and they have different opinions on female characters, it's just that people tend to notice the negative more than the positive so the misogynistic fujos stand out, especially when they publicly agree with each other so it looks like the whole fujo community is like that. This can happen in any other community too, it's not exclusive to fujos
No. 2313189
>>2313180When did that happen?
Also Not saying she is coombait, but maybe when other anons point out that something is made for coomers, they're right most of the time. But that's not the same thing as bashing you for liking things with coombait (or sexism or whatever) in it, it just means that's the reason the other anon doesn't like it
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>>2313219Whole thread, and this is what people take out of it.
No. 2313236
>>2313220Some of us want to discuss those problems more because outside of lolcow there are few spaces where people aren't blind to coomershit and misogyny and it's frustrating, if those discussions
trigger you, you can just not engage and instead start discussing the media with others who like it (which absolutely is possible on an imageboard because you don't have to participate in discussions you don't want to)
For example even if I know Madoka was made by some pedos I still like the final product and will happily discuss the canon and post cute fanart I find online
No. 2313240
>>2313228>If someone points out there's coom in the thing you like she's not necessarily doing it to make you feel bad about it or policing your likes and dislikes, maybe she's just venting about it or wants to raise some awarenessI'm sure
nonnie doesn't mean to be judgy when she calls something she saw fanart of online trad incel coomslop pedoanime trash, she's just "raising awareness" that what you're watching is disgusting.
No. 2313244
>>2313229>yumes and fujos who make their own food using the crumbs these shitty manga provideThis is what I was talking about before, when exactly did ""fan""work meaning "taking crumbs from shitty manga" become the mainstream?
Was it as late as 2020 or did it start before then?
No. 2313246
>>2313160I criticized one single aspect of this character once and it seemed like I offended someone's mother. I'm really sorry, but the anons overly defensive are just as schizo and annoying, especially when I saw them drag the infight to /meta/ to cry about it.
>>2313209I think you put it down pretty well. I'll admit I leaned toward one side at a time, but after some introspection, I resolved some of my personal biases. I still hold my personal beliefs and preferences, but I've come to accept a wider range of tastes for different reasons and to understand them more.
No. 2313263
>>2313240What if what you like is actually trash though? You can just accept it and like it anyway, there are people on this site who talk openly about liking eroge shit and nobody complains because they themselves acknowledge that it's trash instead of getting defensive when other people point out the obvious. If someone actually comes to your thread REEEEEING unprompted and tells you that you should not like it at all and calls you names out of the blue just tell them to fuck off. But at the same time if you get all
triggered when anons discuss the things you like in a way you don't like and point out its flaws when it's relevant to the discussion they should be free to do so without you whining about it being just like 1984
No. 2313323
>>2313189>>2313189It happened here, one sperg began seething her design was for pedos
>>>/m/409349 and here
>>>/m/259360 saying they made the design "digusting coomer trash"
No. 2313355
>>2313273No, that's not what I meant. Simply not getting offended when people point out something that's true or just trashing on a piece of media you like because it's scrotey or gives off coomer vibes, and not going "omg women can't like anything anymore i swear!!" (esp. when the media is literally made for moids) is what I mean by "accepting it's trash". SxF being breeder propaganda isn't just something that was made up to make you feel bad about liking it either, It's a genuine theory some people have, you don't have to feel attacked when someone says it's shounen (for moids) and possibly breeder propaganda. I think it's overrated slop and the theory is funny to me but this isn't equivalent to me pointing a gun to your head demanding that you stop liking it.
Like yes you can like it, but just because some women like it doesn't mean it's immune to criticism. And other anons are and should be free to say why they didn't like it
>inb4I also can't stand the anons who won't leave you the fuck alone if you do happen to mention that you enjoy some scrotey media (yes they are insufferable but we're not all like that, they're just retarded and looking for infights) but it goes both ways is all I'm saying. They think if you like something like KLK you're either a moid or a turbopickme misogynist, but the anons on the opposite side think any critique here towards their favorite moid media that mentions obvious coomer or sexist shit is censorship and too extreme so they defend that media tooth and nail and brand anyone else a schizo. A lot of us fall somewhere in the middle but we seem to be a minority.
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>>2313360Forgot pic kek
(learn2delete) No. 2313384
>>2313379Darling in the Franxx had literal sex position robot piloting.
Though, why isn't SxF considered adoption propaganda when one of the plot points is that Anya is desperate to keep being adopted and not be left an orphan?
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>>2312984i mean this is literally true though. It has nothing to do with toph herself as a character, its just moids ruining everything they touch. I still cant believe this shit was in a kids cartoon.
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>>2313041What about my post implied that? i like haibane renmei, i just hate retards who try to deny its waifushit because it doesnt allign with their fake radfem morality. People here shit on women who are into degenerate anime shit like shota and incest, but when a moid who drew their favourite female animu waifus is a degen into loli an incest(yoshitoshi has both drawn oreimo and kancolle fanart) then suddenly we are the mean ones to point out a guy who's into incest and lolishit might not have the best intentions when drawing anime about young girls.
No. 2313465
>>2313449>>2313440Not those anons but these are examples of how you can like something while recognizing that it's not completely pure and innocent. It shouldn't be a reason to infight, just take it easy like these anons. It's not the end of the world if a moid inserted some subtle fetish appeal to a character or show that could've been perfect otherwise. Like it for what it is, not what you want it to be.
>>2313398She's agreeing with you and calling it baby propaganda, you misread the post lol
No. 2313641
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>>2313075Sadly lolcow just isn't the place for this kind of talk, at least not this thread or other big threads full of bait.
I once posted Reni from Sakura Wars in the transwashed thread on /m/ and someone still had to bitch at me that she is from a moid franchise, despite the fact she most likely never played it, never watched the live shows, never listened to the songs, has no idea which parts of it are moidy and which are not, etc. Basically posting a female character from any japanese franchise causes immediate combustion in the average master baiter in this website, even if said franchise is female friendly and not something like an obscure PC porn game.
And no, before anyone puts words in my mouth, I'm not saying no one is allowed to criticize any sort of japanese slop and its misogyny, especially lolishit, I'm simply saying that weebshit attracts bait or retards who post so badly they might as well be shitposters.
No. 2313702
>>2313641>>2313678I love lolcow a lot, but is this the best us female nerds can do? Will we really only ever have social media that rages at you for… anything if you're a woman in fandom, or an ib where other anons lynch you for enjoying bishoujo games, even ones popular with women (a staple of nerd culture)?
Men really get everything on a silver platter. Spoiler for potential blog, but relevant to this;
I feel like I have to pretend to be male in social media fandom spaces because of this, so I do, and its a generally comfier time. I wonder how many other women do this? I'm by far the only one No. 2314022
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>>2313702Sadly yes, and it ain't even that. I sometimes never mention the stuff I like in fear of infights and backlash over a difference in opinion. You can't like different things, you must be some brainwashed pickme instead of an actual fan of said work? What's wrong with turning off your brain and enjoying life? Not everything needs to be an exercise in true and honest feminism.
>>2314011Sorry about that nonna…Here's a version with that goneOP must be high on delulu copium. Why can't they admit to simply being lovesick or hyperfixated on a character? There's no shame in it but they'd rather LARP out their wannabe girl's girl fantasies kek.
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>>2314022Same tranny bragging on how oppressed he is because female-pandering media has been silenced.
No. 2314166
>>2312492I genuinely don't understand the belief that all female characters suck, I'm sorry. Female characters are constantly nitpicked in ways male characters never are. They're either pick me or try hard, either a bitch or a doormat, they're too boring unless they're too interesting, then they're "
toxic" and "bpd bait for men.
Also I'm tired of nonnas here claiming to be so different from porn addicted men only to turn around and say "why would I care for a female character? I'm straight!". Not to mention throw a fit when a male characters doesn't look like a delicate androgynous twink. I know women are less likely to act on their perversion but your inability to care for anything that doesn't make you wet is deppressing all the same.
No. 2314177
>>2314166>comparing women to coomer men just because they dont like coomer female charactersokay. I dont know why women arent allowed to dislike moeslop for men, no one would ever criticize a man for disliking bishies, but suddenly a woman is bad for not liking waifushit? It pisses me off when waifufags cry misogyny over women not liking female characters
written by men for men . Its annoying as fuck to always moralfag women and ask them to be kinder to male artists/writers. And its weird that people think criticizing a character = criticizing women, when in reality people are criticizing the male writers behind the character, because your waifu isnt real, its not a real woman, and its writen/drawn by a man.
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>moid makes a video on how people should leave fujos alone especially since in america women are about to lose their bodily autonomy
>comment section is full of retards
I am so fucking sick of woke morons who are only okay with women having this sort of hobby if they can use us as political pawns. Not only that, but the majority of fujos being lgbt is incredibly americanized opinion and conveniently ignores that the vast majority of fujos are straight women and if they knew this fact they'd go right back to dehumanizing women. Also saying that most fujos are secret trannies feels very groomer-esque.
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Lots of fujos like female characters but just exclude them when it comes to BL for obvious reasons. Some of the best f/f fanfics I've read have been written by authors who mostly write m/m. I absolutely love lots of different female characters from shallow ones to ones with more characterization. It's not that deep.
>>2314022Fandom misogyny is troons getting mad at ACTUAL women (likely straight/bi yumes and fujos) for making free creative content about FICTIONAL characters they like. Of course the troon is fixated on female characters. Why are male weebs never interrogated for not caring about male characters? It's like they view us as content machines instead of people.
>>2314186>it's okay because most arent yucky straight womenI'm so jealous of Asian fandoms for not having to deal with constant political discourse and analysis injected into gay cartoons. Can we please have an altchan for fandom women that gatekeeps normies, moralspergs, and gendies?
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>>2314164As usual you are literally missing the point, it's like talking to a fucking wall.
Nobody said you're not allowed to criticize weebshit, waifus, female characters, etc, I am simply saying that /ot/ and /m/ are littered with people who bait and infight about female characters and they use whatever excuse they can to sperg out about it. Nobody here is walking on eggshells, you constantly have nonnies bitch and moan at anyone who likes what they don't like, ESPECIALLY when it comes to anime and female characters.
When the situation is so annoying, dire and ripe for infights
of course no one will talk about female characters, nobody wants to mention their favorites if the usual reaction is "omg you like a moidslop waifushit?? you like post wall fat moids??? you are a lichral
victim of the patriarchy I am sooo feminist (please infight with me)".
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>>2314202>Lots of fujos like female characters but just exclude them when it comes to BL for obvious reasons. Some of the best f/f fanfics I've read have been written by authors who mostly write m/mKek yeah I'm a straight fujo and while I'm not really into yuri as much as I am yaoi I have a few yuri ships I deeply care about and love writing for. Even if I didn't though who gives a shit?
>Can we please have an altchan for fandom women that gatekeeps normies, moralspergs, and gendies?Check out Fujochan.
>>2314214Stop liking fatties then?
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>>2314222My lezzie card revoked… on lolcor dot farms…
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>>2313641I agree with your sentiment but why dont you just ignore those retards? Its usually one or two spergs on /m/ who seethe about moidshit in anime while stalking the anime threads, I have noticed other anons casually post their maybe controversial shows/characters regardless of the mentally ill losers. Most of the time they want a reaction out of you when the best thing you can do it just keep posting without giving a damn.
No. 2314256
>>2314252>>2314253See this shit? Moids aren't posting shit like this if you erp over Endeavor or post Gravitation.
This is what I mean by "moralfagging around just saying you can't handle seeing posts".
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>>2314235The best thing we can do is be ourselves and like what we like unapologetically as women. I suspect many fujotifs troon because of shame over being a "fetishizer" and because of social contagion like this.
>>2314239The double-standards are insane. Men can like waifu crap or isekai slave harems within their own circles but women have to deal with constant moralsperging, handwringing about yaoi misogyny, an obligation to depict everything fictional tactfully, whining about not drawing a troon's favorite yuri schoolgirls for free, etc. I never see men moralfag over a 17 year old cartoon character either
No. 2314295
>>2313641My knowledge of Sakura Wars is pretty limited, but I definitely want to dive into it once I clear my current backlog. Sakura, Reni, Maria, and Kanna all have such distinct and amazing designs. That alone makes me want to watch the anime and try out the games.
>>2314202>Some of the best f/f fanfics I've read have been written by authors who mostly write m/mThis is what frustrates me the most. I feel there is a noticeable overlap between yuri and yaoi fanbases. Some of my favorite yuri mangaka started out by drawing yaoi manga. When Yuri Hime first launched, most of its stories were written by shoujo and yaoi mangaka. But for some reason, a certain section of western yurifags are unbearably catty towards fujos. And they have this notion that fujos lose their minds at the mere existence of a female character kek. I am certain that when AO3 releases its stats for 2024, they will blame fujoshis again if their favorite f/f ship isn't in the list.
No. 2314366
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>>2313641This bitch from a literal waifufag franchise had to endure an actual war in her home country, PTSD and being a child soldier. Subsequently many years later she needs to overcome her past struggles in order to become commander of her unit so they all not fucking die.
Then you ask fujos about their "interesting and well written" male characters and they say shit like
>uhm well this cute schoolboy shotatwink has a secret double life as an idol/prostitute and has to suck 60yo dick at night for a living because else the yakuza will kill him because of his parents' debts and this is deep sex worker rep he truly embodies the female struggle and is totally not just gay porn for me to masturbate to(fujosperging outside of containment) No. 2314372
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>>2314333I'm not apologizing for fictional content I like. It's not morally wrong to like a fictional character. I like what I like, other people can get over it.
>>2314366We get it, you're so much better than fujos and totally not jealous of yaoi being popular.
No. 2314375
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>>2314230>I agree with your sentiment but why dont you just ignore those retards? Well, I ignore them most of the time but other nonnies don't and baiters undoubtly shit up conversations for everybody else. Even itt you have nonnies admitting they don't bring up what they like because they are afraid of starting this kind of bs.
I can accept it in /ot/'s dumpster threads but on /m/ it's bullshit. I guess what we can do is just report more if their crap drags for more than one post.
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But when media has well written women right in front of them, they don't give a fuck.
No. 2314391
>>2314377I'd agree if the devs didn't fumble that feminist artist swimsuit drama
>>2314366You're not helping your argument by suddenly shitting on yaoi kek
No. 2314401
>>2314385>Misogyny centralWhere exactly? If you're referring to the lawsuit yeah that was retarded as fuck but the actual content of the games have absolutely 0 instance of misogyny.
>>2314388>>2314389She left on her own volition as her contract ended and that's pretty much the only thing we know for sure, the rest is deep legal shit however they did also apologize to the artist for what happened as well. Pretty sure new artist is also a woman.
>>2314391They never bent towards actually making gooner shit though.
No. 2314463
>>2314420Her contract ended around the time of the controversy. She was never fired or anything.
>>2314422And that's completely understandable. I love the game, the story, and the characters and even though KJH is a bumbling retard I'm gonna trust that they learned from this until something else happens. At the risk of defending a moid, PMoon is an indie company and Limbus is it's first live service AND gacha game which opens the floodgates to a whole different type of audience and I can imagine it's probably hard to navigate the new legal/PR aspects of all of that. That legal shit happened within the first year of the game's existence too. Like iirc not even half a year in.
No. 2314561
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>>2314427It's a shiny fur coat and it doesn't even look particularly egregious…
No. 2314578
>>2314527AYART, I saw a bit of the anime but it looks bad.
I'm not asking people to like what I like, I just pointed out that certain things, like female characters and weebshit, are bound to cause infighting and some nonnies will literally grasp at straws to do start their sweet drama over them. You can see it everywhere itt. At some point I made an example like "omg why do you like fat husbandos???" due to when Laios caused endless infighting in the fandom threads and the usual shit stirrers couldn't contain themselves from telling me to stop whining… despite the fact I don't have fat husbandos. You can't write anything itt without the usual baiters putting words in your mouth.
No. 2314587
>>2314561This. I tend to be a bit nitpicky about female character designs,
like I somewhat understand the perspective of the one anon who is always sperging about Lyra's design. But Maria's outfit is literal perfection to me.
No. 2314610
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>>2312492I don't get why they just don't watch any seasonal moe anime that comes out every month.
No. 2314643
>>2314391>You're not helping your argument by suddenly shitting on yaoi kekDifferent person started to argue,
I took a nap. Nobody is going to change their mind anyway..
>>2314447Ffs "Can you stop shizomoralfagging for one second, it's obnoxious" does not mean "aah please care about this character."
For someone who keeps going "why do you care if someone loses their shit ranting how a character is a whore!?" You need to take that question and ask it inward. Why do you care enough to constantly bitch at someone? It's not like the problem is this
>>2314610 either. It's characters like that Pokemon girl posted earlier, Yor, Marcille, etc.
No. 2314645
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>>2314627you're right gege didnt just ruin gojo once, he had to ruin him THRICE. once because hes racist, second because he died like a pathetic wimp and third because he unironically looks like this in the manga. gege should be ashamed of what the did with jjks male cast and all this while keeping ugly ass nobara and pedo-oneesan mei mei alive
No. 2314657
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>sakura taisen on front page
>clicks
>fandom discourse thread
No. 2314682
>>2314664>husbandofags don't throw a bitch party>(proceeds to describe a bitch party)Hell, even then people refused to let shit about Laios or the Golden Kamuy dudes go and still bitch about them.
It's not even about waifufag or husbandofags anyway. You don't have to even like a character to want to discuss them genuinely without some schizo coming in to inform you that speaking about some female character on an anonymous forum actually hurts women everywhere.
No. 2314703
>>2314695All of these characters (well not Marcille), the sexy husbandos too, are drawn by men.
Stop moralfagging when you don't even have a leg to stand on.
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People really have hang-ups about this?
No. 2314717
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>>2314709Sukuna is pure degeneracy when you think too hard about it. There must be something wrong in Gege's head.
>>2314710The real reason was that he wrote Geto being a crazy mass killer in JJK0 way before he wrote Geto's backstory so he couldn't change that, and he copypasted his gay husbando Sensui in the manga in the first place so he had to be a crazy homosexual with an extensive criminal record at some point anyway.
No. 2314727
>>2314715Sometimes. Somewhat related reminds me of reading old fics and people asking in the authors notes constantly if it was OOC and if it wasn't they'd delete it kek. Kinda wish there was more people like picrel even if it is a bit neurotic
>>2314716All around me are autistic faces, autistic places…
No. 2314729
>>2314715I think it's fine to want to stay true to the character if you genuinely like the work, it's fine to want to be a part of the fandom that discusses canon seriously.
There's two different types of fandom now one that likes the looks but not necessarily anything else and uses it as a stepping stone for their own work, and one that genuinely thinks the character as is is important.
No. 2314734
>>2314730Yeah that's the funny part. I'm not sure why they bothered asking in hindsight, but it's better than nowadays like
>>2314729 describes with people just writing whatever. It also might be fandom specific too.
No. 2314736
>>2314732The argument has been "please stop schizo moralfagging when female characters get posted" and so far it's been nothing but the moralfagging arguments as comebacks.
"But I just want
better female character writing, is that do wrong for a disheartened women to pray for?" Come on now, this isn't fooling anybody. Especially when the thread is laughing about shounen manga.
No. 2314762
>>2314740Hiding moralfagging as "criticism that raises awareness" and portraying people that just want you to shut up as "shielding men" isn't fooling anybody. At least
>>2314723 is finally honest.
No. 2314767
>>2314723She says while at the same time gets
triggered when called a male-obsessed pickme for liking shallow anime twinks.
No. 2314787
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>>2314366I'll overlook the dig on fujos because she seems genuinely interesting and reminds me of my fave balalaika
No. 2314792
>>2314782husbandofags acknowledge their husbandos are shit from slop for teenage boys. Meanwhile waifufags are the ones coping and seething over the fact that their waifus are drawn by men for men and throwing a tantrum over anyone telling them this fact. There is a reason why anons are praising
>>2314555 this anon, because she unapologetically likes her slop and never tries to pretend its not waifushit for men, something that most waifufags here arent capable of doing without crying about the boolying
No. 2314809
>>2314802Not sure how you came to that conclusion but I don't think anons enjoy being called pedophiles or coomers for liking anime women.
>>2314792GuPAnon also doesn't have a general that gets shat up every time there's a new post or people dragging discourse from the general to another thread.
No. 2314820
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>>2314791Speak of the devil, chapter 119 just came out on manga sites today. Wired red wild card arc was such a slog to get through, I just barely stuck around because the introduction of the all women's unit was incredibly badass, even if theyre the antagonists of the current arc
No. 2314823
>>2314816It's very popular so there are more anons who know it and can give their opinions. Which will logically lead to more fights. Unlike when some anon talked about Sakura Wars earlier, it's niche enough that there won't be too much to talk about between the few anons who know about the franchise. And on top of that it appeals to everyone so there's even more bullshit to deal with outside of LC with leakers spoiler everyone all the time before the manga ended, powerlevel bullshit, shipping bullshit, if the writing is good or not, if Gege is about to get surgery for the billionth time, if the art is good or not, when will the next season happen and will it be good, will MAPPA terrorize its animators again, translations issues, etc.
No. 2314849
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>>2314843Nta but iirc it was pic related and eh, imo its different enough that isn't wasn't legit plagiarism.
No. 2314870
>>2314863no this whole thread was waifufags putting on a
victim act because other anons arent posting in their dead /m/ threads
No. 2314886
>>2314881>likes it ironicallyIts the sad state of the current internet. You can only like things
ironically, being genuine is cringe.
No. 2314907
>>2314896>>2314902You look ridiculous, I replied to your previous post where you were putting words in my mouth before you deleted it. Does it matter if I have shit taste? Does it impact you? It's not like I'm spending your own money on books I read.
>>2314901I can't stand pokemon fans who buy both versions of each game after screeching that Game Freak doesn't know how to code and optimize their games.
No. 2314909
>>2314901Right? You can be a fan while calling the franchise satanic pedoslop coombait that only women who hate themselves and suck cock would like!
It's almost like there's something in between shitting on something and not criticizing whatsoever.
No. 2314958
>>2314947Voice actors are the worst, especially the ones for dubs because they talk about things they're barely involved in like they're experts. I just remembered when FE3H got released and Claude's English VA would try and utterly fail to be funny when posting about the game.
>its selling point was that some celebs were actually using it and you could speak to them kekI remember, that was so long ago but I do remember not wanting to have a twitter account for this reason in particular. Nowadays celebrities who used twitter early on, like Rihanna used to shitpost but now she only uses it to advertise her products, if it's even her and not an employee who posts videos and pictures.
No. 2314993
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>>2314987Yes, but i am a zoomer weeb so a movie set in 00s japan is instantly gold to me. Nothing will ever top gothic psycho lolita or kamikaze girls anyways.
No. 2314995
>>2314993I'm also a zoomer weeb nonna.
Gotta send out a warning for the scene of the cat being suffocated though since I genuienly felt sick and upset after watching it (I'm guessing it was fake though)
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>>2314997mine is perfect, actually
(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE) No. 2315112
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>>2314671>>2315100This your husbando?
(ai slop outside of containment) No. 2315134
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>>2315088>>2315087NTA but bait is bait, real or not.
No. 2315151
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>>2315137Same. I dont like the uguu senpaiii ones but the cute, innocent ones that are just trying their best and arent painfully retarded like yunocchi always awaken my mother instincts. The episodes of yuno's mom cheering her up for her high school entrance test made me want to have a daughter so badly, they are so cute together! to bad you need a stupid moid for that. Cloning cant come soon enough.
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I’m so glad the love and deepspace company only listens to based Chinese women instead of western pickmes who crumble under the prospect for once not being seen as the object but rather the subject
No. 2315694
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>>2315233That entire thread is peak narc material. I really hope that this is just a vocal minority and not something that many women in the English-speaking fandom want.
No. 2315798
>>2315760I love the POV self insert in LADS, but I also love how customizable the MC is and like to see her in 3rd person.
There's a lot of scenarios/poses that you can't fully appreciate with only POV.
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>>2315881It's
Juiz from Undead Unluck No. 2315903
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>>2315124Probably my most favorite female character (though it's a close battle between her and some others), but the title really gotta go to her since she's genuinely a super well written support character full of her own flaws. She's also funny, a shit-stirrer and her angst story just gives her bonus pity points. The author knew how good she is she kept her as a recurring character even after her graduation heh. It would be a blast to get drunk with her and just talk about life.
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>>2315760Even if you never saw her, the LaDs MC does have a personality. People whine about her being "too mean" to two LIs especially.
No. 2315985
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I can get not watching an anime because it's ugly, but dorohedoro is a bad example imo. What anime do you find ugly? For me, it's one piece
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>>2315985Mid at best. Coloring style for the covers does no favors
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>>2316016Gonna get roasted for this but I actually like moe anime artstyles a lot of the time
No. 2316028
>>2315985The only one that gave me trouble reading was Mob Psycho, but that was more on me and the anime was much easier to watch.
Oh, and Requiem of the Rose King's anime was very poor quality. Still watched it, but its surprising the faceless white npc background characters and powerpoint presentation weren't more of a meme.
Anyway, this chick has shit taste and does not deserve the moe moth boy.
No. 2316049
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>>2315985Jojo, Golden Kamuy, Wan Piss and
>>2316039 No. 2316141
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>>2316039kaiji is ugly as fuck and it kept me away for so long but when i actually read it i had a great time. it just feels genuine and its ugliness sort of becomes normal after a while. i can't speak for the anime version, but the manga is a good read if you can get past the initial ick.
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>>2315985this is the ugliest art style I can think of off the top of my head. also uzaki-chan and gushing over magical girls
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fascist caitlyn discourse begets man-made horrors beyond our comprehension
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>>2316310supposedly, not to sound woke but it falls flat and just looks like pol bait
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I hate this era of "needs to me like me" to every nth freaking degree. There has to be character customization. There has to be means for npcs bend down and regard my characters as valid. They have to literally be me. Don't these people realize this takes time? No one can modify ten thousands armors to make a fatass feel validated so why is it that these people can never be sated? Never made sense to me.
No. 2316577
>>2316534Tired of people demanding to be catered to like this without understanding anything about the work involved in creating game assets just to please their niche desires. And yeah, I'm sick of representation rhetoric just because it usually boils down to someone being unable to relate to or engage with media that doesn't reflect them in every aspect like a mirror. And personally, playing as 'me' is so boring anyway, I don't get why you would want to kek.
Branching off of this though, tbh, in some respects, the custom character/Tav in BG3 makes the fandom a bit insufferable in general– the game has a lot to offer, but it often gets boiled down to a self-insert dating sim by a lot of people, with all the events/characters being reframed to match. It's cool to enjoy that aspect of the game, of course, but it does effect the way fans behave towards both the game itself and fandom content. Maybe it's calmed down though now, and it wasn't like it was truly specific to BG3– games encourage retard behaviour by indulging the player all the time anyway, I guess it just felt more potent because BG3 was so popular and brought in a lot of genre newbies.
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>>2315280>>2316387There honestly isn't a lot of het content in twst, especially when in the manga there's only been one female Yuu (and I think most of the fandom doesn't care about the manga anyway), people just assume the school is an all boys one. I've seen people ship Lilia and Maleanor with some flavors of self inserting, but there just isn't enough content to support that. Yuu is barely acknowledged in a lot of story and events, too, so it isn't like it heavily panders to the yume crowd. Even Malleus fans who thought he was in love with the MC were up in arms when chapter 7 happened and he said he loves Lilia, instead.
No. 2316645
>>2316596idk, but personally I find role playing games where you play a more specific character with limited customisation (eg Geralt from Witcher) more interesting and engaging than the ones geared towards more blank-slate self-insertion (eg Elder Scrolls games) because there's nothing for me to stick to with how the game's writing ends up catering to that mechanic (it works great in ttrpgs but games have very limited resources so the choices you engage with to express yourself/character are both restrictive and usually dull or have low/no impact on the game at large). I don't mind it when the rpg aspects are mostly mechanical/stats and not narrative like Dark Souls though. Each to their own though.
As for relating to a character, I don't really need them to be anything other than interesting tbh, and I kinda hate the way 'relatability' gets pushed in fiction anyway since it usually just leads to more bland, marketable everyman/woman characters as they need to be palatable and inoffensive to be considered such (this is just a common misunderstanding of decent writing advice, similar to how a character being 'likeable' is often translated into them being generically nice with no real negative traits). I also think that a lot of those generic white straight guy characters aren't actually seen as relatable/representative by men, but as invisible vessels to act out the game through, given just enough traits to have a semblance of marketable personality and for the plot to chug along (similar to how a lot of female protagonists are really just lightly flavoured skins for the reader to inhabit in a lot of YA/romance novels). Some characters are more for function than anything else. Maybe we do need more female generic, shell-person protagonists though, if only to curb the terrible personality and dialogue they keep being given in recent games kek
I do want to see more varied depictions in media like games, don't get me wrong, just not the kind that exists to cater to its audience's narcissistic urge to relate to only themselves. Rather, I want to see the sort that leads to fresh characters, stories, visuals, and ideas being explored in the medium. 'Representation' has become such a poisoned topic, but it does of course have value at the heart of it.
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