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>>1967069 No. 1986446
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No. 1986456
>>1986450nta I don't fully agree with a lot of "wokie takes" but there can be some genuine discussion where we can discuss certain
problematic elements in fan-fiction or depictions of characters.
No. 1986462
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>>1986456>>1986450otherwise you'll end up with degens like picrel, whose only argument will always be "why don't you care about real children being abused, bet you're an IRL pedo projecting"
No. 1986473
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>>1986446the "well developed straight ship" in question;
No. 1986479
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>>1986476same, it's the funniest thing.
No. 1986498
Disney adults are the final fork of fandom sperging. Disney managed to get an entire generation of adults who both want to go to Disney land like it's a spiritual trip and work at Disney land. Disney workers get paid shit but majority are disneyspergs who think Disney is the best thing ever.
No. 1986576
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Me each time someone use the word "literally" in fandom.
No. 1986691
>>1986576especially love when what follows is wildly inaccurate information or outright fanon/personal headcanon.
Anons, what's the worst fandom you've been in/witnessed when it comes to delusional interpretations of the source material?
No. 1986716
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>>1986473Don't be disingenuous now.
No. 1986725
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Do any other anons think shipping incest really isn't terrible or unforgiveable the way antishippers claim it is? Incest has been featured in fiction for hundreds of years. It can get a little cringe if the creator has a clear fetish like picrel but I don't see how it's harmful or worth sperging about.
No. 1986741
>>1986725I can get why someone might enjoy it and think it no big deal/the same as regular shipping if they're an only child, but it is a bit questionable when someone with siblings is really into it, or idk stuff like weecest or whatever that was. As a sibling-haver, it does gross me out kek, but it's generally not shame or sperg-worthy without being part of other retarded/creep behaviour.
(I also understand some are into it more for narrative elements rather than fetish or romance/shipping reasons, but that leads to a very specific (and same-y) kind of angsty story/fic that I personally don't get the appeal of seeing more than a couple of times)
No. 1986742
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>>1983675>I don't know how it got to this pointIt was all the fault of Bandori yuritroon adri/cybershoujo, the runner of mikumiku_ebooks, and the official english account playing along like you said. He cashed on Notch doing wrongthink at the time by giving trannies a really childish way to separate art from the artist. He was later disowned for talking inappropriately about minor mutuals in private (lol), all while calling him "she" of course (lmao), that's why you don't see "Hatsune Miku made Minecraft" memes nowadays. Yet his legacy persists as Miku is known in the west as a tumblr refugee mascot of Correct Opinions.
No. 1986764
>>1986747sorry you had to go through that nona, at least you saw them for what they truly are early on
>andrearitsuI still can't belive that's a real person kek
No. 1986820
>>1986747That's such a horrible experience nonna, sorry you had to go through that. I was on idoltwt as well as a young teen but surprisingly never had a single TIM mutual, only other women. I saw all the Andrea Ritsu and cybershoujo stuff unfold from the sidelines and like you started to realize TIMs were creeps because most of the "women" getting called out for predatory behavior were troons. I sort of tried to shut it down because I was still in my handmaiden phase but even back then I basically figured out the AGP/HSTS distinction.
Looking back it was pretty normal for people to make fun of Andrea Ritsu for adding Nicomaki Tensai to his name but I feel like if a lot of people did it now they'd get called transmisogynistic for making fun of a tranny's name change considering you can't even call a TIM ugly without being accused of being transphobic kek.
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What the actual fuck does any of this mean?
No. 1986862
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>>1986742This pedo groomer and DestinytoMoon who was the one that made the original "Miku is actually trans" headcanon and turned Miku Mondays into "Mikusona" (racewashed) Mondays have been the bane of this character. She's never recovered since from being a mouthpiece. I hate that the entire fandom around her is memes or politics now and "she can be anything you want her to be!" and not that she can sing whatever you want her to sing, and her looks change depending on the song's story or intention, she wasn't meant to be a mascot for your representation or for Israel and Palestine shitflinging online.
I remember the Vocaloid fandom in the 2000s and 2010s and it's insane what one AGP can do to the public perception of an entire character.
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I know that this may seem like a troll post, but has anyone ever shipped a "throuple" before? cause sometimes you can't decide which characters you want to end up together.
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>>1986901nta but it's kinda cringe
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>>1986716Posting them is cheating
Nonnie, most straight ships still sucks.
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>>1986716>>1986955God I love FMA atm (I'm rewatching it) and I love that it's been popping up on lolcow so much recently
No. 1987017
>>1987008Yes. And not just that, but stuff I saw on BDSM/fetish blogs like 10+ years ago is making its way into fanfiction written by people under 20 years old. Like BDSM as therapy (literally).
>>1986691The Murderbot Diaries fandom. It's a magnet for autistics with bizarre paraphilias and every single one of them is genuinely convinced their favorite characters share their specific fetishes. Sometimes they slapfight over it, which is hilarious.
No. 1987018
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>>1987011You're right, but wasn't the voice performer a grown woman for them? But to be fair I completely forgot nasty fucks like the right side of pic related exist I've just had the good luck to never interact with these nasty fucks so I end up mistaking my ideas as normal for others.
No. 1987029
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>>1987018man, it fucking sucks that the more normal weebs are exctint nowadays. I remember in the late 00s/early 10s i used to be part of an anime forum and it was so peaceful. People understood we were voyeurs to a culture that didn't know we existed nor cared about our opinion, but that didnt mean we couldnt be critical of it while enjoying the good anime that wasn't for otakus who jack off to 12yos. I also feel the bar was way higher back then, weebs who were into anime because of its artistic merits weren't usually into shonen shit or seasonal garbage, they liked obscure artsty anime like Mind Game or Nekojiru sou. Nowadays the cunny pedo and the gendie anti both consoom the same seasonal garbage and fight with eachother on twitter all day over western cuture war nonsense the japanese don't give a shit about.
No. 1987031
>>1987018>angry means they are in the wrong!typical retarded 4chan scrote
only reason these jap pedos are comfortable enough to say that shit is because they live in pedo nation where women are treated as shit and children can be preyed upon
No. 1987032
>>1986820It's so funny how universally true it is that the more you interact with TIMs the more transphobic you get. I wasn't exposed to a single
TERF talking point as a teen, the doubts in my head were planted by the troons themselves. Delicious irony to it all.
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>>1987011Vocaloids are a special case because they do get physically altered in age too depending on the setting, including the twins, but the idea got lost when the trannoid in
>>1986742 started complaining that aging them up to make adult songs (about any sexual theme) was pedophilia, all while trying to diddle teenage girls in the bandori fandom. I saw producers like CircusP then claim to want to stop using Miku because she was underage and it was wrong to use her for adult music, other popular western producers echoed the sentiment. Retard anti contagion at it's finest
No. 1987057
>>1987046This is so true. Reminds me of this autist consoomer who genuinely thinks super sonico and all her morbidly obese friends are for the body positivity girlies and not for men with BBW fetishes. Also kek at her shilling super taruco when she's 17yo canonically, they cant even bother to read the wiki.
No. 1987071
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>>1987008>has anyone else noticed more porn tropes in x rated fics in the last 5 years?God yes lmfao. I tried searching for BG3 fic to surprise my friend with, but most of it was ooc garbage
>futa>omegaverse>rape>bdsm>"choking">hentai-grade dialogue>all of the aboveLike jfc can you people stop shitting up my otps and actually meet somebody in real life and date them so you can comprehend what actual eroticism is? AO3 should have a critic review section kek.
The more awkward fic trope is an author clearly projecting her trauma onto characters who wouldn't act or talk like that. Like although I have no issue with this type of thing, to post it to a public fanfiction archive feels like a cry for help and all I want to do is suggest professional help in the comments section which feels insensitive and dismissive in the moment. (It's even more awkward when the author actually TELLS the audience that in the summary but at least I know not to click.)
Also I even came across a Death Note fic by chance lately and then started reading it just because it didn't having choking in it, but get this! It was implied that the characters had been meeting up for sex for a while, but then had never done basic sex acts before! And then started moaning like crazy whilst saying hentai grade shit like (actual word for word) "Such a cute little slut, I bet you're wet for me already." and "Don't tease me! You– you're d-doing it on purpose, you're so
mean, I–" It was so fucking cringe I wanted to flame the author like it was 2009. I went to her tumblr page and she was one of those pro hardcore-bdsm retards who claim "the submissive is in control and the dom is actually just forcing himself to go along with it!!" Like. What. She was 28 but I couldn't tell if she'd even had sex or not.
I honestly want to restrict these people's internet access and make them read 3 years worth of novels and get boyfriends or girlfriends before they even pick up a pen. God. I know fandom has always been "top 10% is good, ignore the rest" but nowadays it feels like only 3% or 5% is good. Mumble grumble.
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>>1987067It's hilarious to see antis and pedos fight over shit like dragon maid. The antis genuinely believe its wholesome wlw representation!!1! then get angry when they release official pedo figurines of kanna.
It's also weird that this kind of anime becomes popular nowadays, back in the day it would have stayed a niche because its basically a fanservice anime for scrotes. I have no idea how it got so big when the pedo fanservice is so glaringly obvious.
No. 1987078
>>1987067>>1987073Lucky Star but only more sexualized because current year.
If you grew up in the 90s and 00s you knew these were made for scrotes.
No. 1987080
>>1986862>MikusonaNOOOO The memories are flooding back! I wouldn't wish the sansundertalefication of your favorite onto anyone.
>she can be anything you want her to be! and not that she can sing whatever you want her to singNailed it, that's the usual cope vocaloids get but it was meant for music, not hideous art and shitty memes, besides it's not like they need such excuses to give other characters the same treatment lol
No. 1987105
>>1987017>Like BDSM as therapy (literally).So much BDSM has gone mainstream in the last decades. And I don't mean "casual" stuff like fuzzy handcuffs sometimes, but dom/sub being in the lingo, denial of how male doms are
abusive and just framing it as a healing lifestyle and not a kink subculture. I've even seen therapists who support BDSM too (not sex therapists but run-of-the-mill counsellors for grief and trauma).
>>1987083I only saw the short version of that video because I'm not a subscriber, but I agreed with her on everything. Instead of fanfics being a hobby it's become a form of sex ed or the only sexuality young people have, it's sad.
No. 1987108
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I know this isn't directly related to fandom but I think it fits here, it reflects how both a certain section of fandom and actual academia tends to discuss media, stripping away the original context and assigning their own retarded meanings to make it actually being about homophobia, racism(in a purely american context), transgenderism etc.
No. 1987120
>>1987108"It's been teaching white people (women) how to be karens" "she's so entitled" it's literally a little girl. She also gets so frightened in the end she jumps off a window and she either gets scolded, laughed at or hurts herself. She's not treated as some hero nor is she ever coddled by the bears, and implying the animals in the story are brown people is something else.
If you're gonna do a pedantic analysis of a story at least fucking read it
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>>1987108Reminds me of this post I saw where the OP claimed the author of the manga Mashle (essentially an HP parody with the typical shonen powerlevelling and fights) was a seething TRA who wrote it as a fuck you to JKR and wants to beat her up. Like what are the odds a random Japanese moid is totally a heckin awesome trans ally and not just a run of the mill adult HP fan who probably has an annual pass to the Universal theme park in Osaka kek. It's pure projection
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Does the McElroy fandom still exist? I liked some of their content when it was popular, but I remember the fandom being completely unhinged and having the worst homestuck/western animation fandom-like traits, like the 'controversy' over their DnD characters all being white in the comic adaptation (which they actually went back on and recolored the comic over).
No. 1987148
>>1987108Has this person even read the damn story? Where in it do the bears "permit and even cater" to Goldilocks? When they find her she runs away, that's the only interaction they have—literally just making stuff up to fit a narrative kek
>>1987135Kind of, but also to show how your actions will affect others so be respectful of others and their belongings. I don't know how the fuck they turned it into another evil white woman boogeyman kek.
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>>1987108real niggas know that goldilocks learned her lesson, grew up and had a child picrel. fuck twitterfags, this is my personal headcanon
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>>1986894I like harem style ships more where they're all fighting over the same guy
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>>1987173I can never get into that kind. What self-respecting woman would share her Nigel? I wish yanderdev didn't shit the bed and be retarded because I still want any media to have a story where the female lead is obsessed with a guy and picks off the other girls who like him like, even if its just playing cupid and not homocide, but we can't have nice things because fucking pedophiles.
No. 1987193
>>1987190Well, I'm a woman so it's pretty obvious that if I were to watch a harem where they're all fighting over a woman that I'm supposed to self insert as her right?
>>1987191>What self-respecting woman would share her Nigel? Who cares it's entertaining, besides the other harem members could kill each other which would be equally entertaining.
No. 1987206
>>1987199I still think it's hotter when it's a mixed gender or all male harem fighting over a guy, but I get your point.
I liked kiss him not me quite a lot now that I think about it anyway.
No. 1987209
>>1986894Yes, I have three husbandos I love to ship in an OT3 however it's usually either
>Harem Battle formatting where character A and B are fighting over C>Fuck Buddies formatting where A, B and C are friends but they fuck either in pairs or all together on occasion or regular. Nothing serious.>Princess and Knight formatting where A and B serve C together as a team of sorts.>Benefit Spice formatting where A and B are in a relationship but are friends with C and C sometimes joins in on the fun. This is peak when A and B have both dated C at different points in time.I don't think I've ever shipped an OT3 in the way that is formatted in zoomer shipping styles of this era that usually follow the usual fluffy wuffy poly. I don't know, I just don't like OT3s where each member is in love with each other and are genuinely committed. OT3's are only good when it's either a entirely same-sex coupling or an MMF coupling with the woman as the 'leader' of the OT3. A lot of the time I hate it because if it's a MMF OT3 then the woman in the ship is reduced to some mommy cuckold servant observer for the two males. Though a lot of the time, OTP tend to be better than OT3s and when it comes down to it, a lot of OT3s are usually just for smut purposes.
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>>1987057The part at the end about 'feminine figures of women' makes me roll my eyes so hard. As if there aren't like 1,000 completely non sexual touhou figures that are actually feminine looking out there, but no instead the literal porn mascot is the 'feminine' anime figure.
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>>1987209>then the woman in the ship is reduced to some mommy cuckold servant observer for the two malesLittle different but reminded me of this fic.
No. 1987249
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>>1987215There are various female anime figures based on original illustrations that aren't sexualized at all or way less porny looking than Sonico. Personally I love the Sleeping Beauty one but it's a bit much so I never got it. I think they would make her look less basic too, but she's just a pickme on both sides, wants the onlyfans porny egirl aesthetic but to be an unproblematic tiktok queen to her fellow gen z watchers as well. Pretty typical of animecore bitches
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>>1987249I think the way they try and have their cake and eat it too is what really annoys me. If it was just some e-girl who buys sonico figures for male attention I wouldn't care but the fact that she bitches about women being into stuff like hetalia and acts as if she's somehow 'better than them'. At least hetalia fans don't buy figures that have literally been jizzed on…
No. 1987279
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>>1987145As someone who used to be a casual fan I'd say currently they are at about 40% of their popularity. Definitely less popular now but it's also more consistent with viewership. However the fandom has reached a point where they've recognised certain things about the Mcelroys. Like it's become obvious that they no longer enjoy DnD despite those episodes always being their most popular series. Also there's a general dislike for Travis, he embodies every stereotype about a male feminist, he comes across as creepy and posts picrel on thirst-traps and criticizing him always results in a canned response about "he's a cis-white men who wasn't aware of his privilege', which is frustrating to deal with
No. 1987298
>>1986691Any time a blatantly straight female character gets interpreted as a lesbian to make her not stand in the way of a popular gay ship.
I can only think of Susato Mikotoba right now but I'm sure any het female love interest that doesn't get any explicit confirmation gets slapped with this.
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>>1987279samefag, he's married with 3 kids
tw and he publicly posts about how women(creators) should send him their OF accounts, he definitely has a second account where he acts like an even more open degenerate
No. 1987367
>>1987349>I get that it's written erotica but it's so much more porny nowYeah, that's my issue, I was always in the camp that "erotica is better because it's not like real porn", but now people reference artwork and fanfic tropes from violent IRL porn. Even as someone who likes some "
problematic" themes, I don't romanticize it like so much female fic does. I'm a yume and I'm thankful the characters I like have zero content, because I hate that shit. If you want an
abusive older dom boyfriend that chokes you, just date a real man lmao
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Chobits isn't even fucking shoujo.
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>>1987396Same, it's adorable.
No. 1987416
>>1987403Imo shoujo/shounen aren't children magazines.
They're for preteen/teen, similiar to YA.
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>>1987413There's a lot that I like! My favorite is the yogisya one, but it's a garage kit (though the Remilia figure got picked up so who knows!)
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>>1986894meanwhile polyfags IRL
No. 1987470
>>1987371I'm tired of normies almost demonizing shoujo and talking about how "
problematic" it is and then turn around and defend shounen high school girl fan service shows and collect super super sonic figures
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I am begging shounentards to watch another anime
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>>1987635Perhaps unpopular but I agree with the twitter OP. I grew up reading the naruto manga before eventually branching out to other mainstream shonens and it was night and day. There really isn’t fanservice of the underage female characters in naruto. That shouldn’t be praiseworthy, I know. Kishimoto is still a misogynistic moid, but somehow he created genuinely interesting and complex female characters. (The problem is he also wrote them to be moid-obsessed and then irrelevant in part 2, maybe because of the backlash). I actually think it’s a moid psyop that the female naruto characters are bad. I still remember how much moids hated sakura because she wasn’t “waifu material.” Kishimoto himself mentioned that his editor said sakura wasn’t “cute” enough, but kishimoto didn’t think female protagonists needed to
just be cute. Based, honestly. I love “unlikeable” female characters
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>>1987657Ayrt, I agree they’re moid-obsessed from the start. I meant that they
also become irrelevant in part 2. Still, I think they’re interesting and multifaceted in a way most shonen female characters aren’t. Also, I found sakura to be a pretty fair depiction of a middle school girl cringely obsessed with her crush kek
No. 1987685
>>1987680Samefag and they don't even learn or grow much from it either. Which leads me to answer
>>1987676If they develop over time and change for the better I wouldn't mind, though that rarely happens (especially not in Naruto)
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>>1987680>Hinata is the stereotypical shy big titty waifubaitNot until part 2. In part 1, she has an interesting plotline where she’s underestimated and belittled by her own family while simultaneously a member of a oppressive familial structure that essentially enslaves her own cousin, who she has to face off against despite certain defeat, showing her resilience
>tenten has NO personalityAgreed, but tenten is a minor character in a massive cast. I still liked her kek
>temari maybe could have had potential but hardly gets screentimeYes
>making sakura so boy crazy comes off as stereotypical tooI get this point, but I think there’s so much more to sakura’s characterization that’s missing from this. She comes from a normal, middle class family and becomes a better person in how she treats naruto (who’s basically a street urchin). She struggles with her desire to conform to feminine standards and also be a kunoichi (female ninja). She’s intelligent and empathetic, and she learns and grows. She’s a foil to both naruto and sasuke. I love her. I could write and essay defending sakura. Part 2 was definitely a character assassination, though
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>>1987657ntayrt yeah, I tried to rewatch it last year but it was hard to deal with that scene when team 7 members have to introduce themselves to Kakashi, and both Sasuke and Naruto seem to have deep motivations and actual goals, but Sakura is just portrayed as a brainless boy-crazy teen, even Kakashi says something like "girls her age are more interested in boys than into training" ew, she is the only girl in the team, just says a lot about how Kishimoto sees girls. He could have created an actual backstory to her, given her actual goals besides Sasuke, or given her any depth but nope. Sasuke is her only motivation in life.
No. 1987696
>>1987694You get it, nonna. I’ve read
a lot of shonen manga, but sakura is complex, flawed, and interesting. It’s a shame kishimoto discarded her midway through part 2 because she was unpopular with retarded moids
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>>1987704ayrt thanks for the tip nona, I might re-read the manga actually since I'm revisiting all anime/manga I grew up with (I don't know if it's nostalgia or simply frustration with modern anime kek). And I don't even hate Sakura, I'm more frustrated than anything with Kishimoto for throwing the girls aside in the name of making boys appear more interesting. I liked her fight vs Sasori tho. I'd love it if Naruto had more of that and less screentime of boring characters I dont care about at all like, say, Shikamaru, Kiba, or Choji
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>>1987618Kitchen Princess isn't great by any means but some of the plot twists are insane in the most funniest and stupidest ways possible
i.e Sora getting killed by a truck while attempting to get Najika vanilla beans for a cooking contest and then gets replaced by a identical twin in the next book No. 1987800
>>1987246Somehow both the retarded underage fandom and the official manga created for this game wildly manage to misinterpret the entire series. You got characters that are clearly
abusive, manipulative or downright retarded with each other and somehow people will try to spin it as an uwu story. There's a million things to shit on about the manga and how it's a direct downgrade from the game's unique artstyle but the author's constant need to sexualize random women during actual brutal and heart-wrenching death scenes of completely different characters is grounds for ridicule
No. 1987809
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>>1987648And that's why the degeneration of his female characters offendeds me so much more. They were interesting and had varied fighting styles. It wasn't like other manga series where there was one large-breasted 16-year-old whose job was to be defeated sexily. But still I'll give him credit for good female character design, which honestly should be the bare minimum.
No. 1987823
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>>1987648tbf even 90% of the other male characters stopped being developed, it all became about ninja wizard magic, jinjurikis and special bloodlines that give you god power.
No. 1987839
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>>1987809Burrito characters shouldn't be here
No. 1987930
>>1987470I hate when this kind of video appears because it's always someone who hasn't watched it and isn't really a fan. They "weren't there" as in they're a zoomer or too young to really understand or have researched the point and history of shoujo. They look at it through a current lense of omg Usagi was 14!!!! Rather than the fact that women we're writing for other girls and women and that sometimes you can't look at media, especially older media with such a broad brush. It's frustrating because the 90s for example were a weird time for anime and manga it was really booming. Things were different and it's almost pointless to look at these old shows through today's lense. These video essayists who are so obnoxious.. The media exist. Sorry if you think they're
problematic. Just don't read them. It's fine to discuss these things but they're always so fucking oblique and uneducated about it.
No. 1987936
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Spoilered because of nsfw art. I'm sorry am I the only one who notices that fandomsspergs are just genderbending male characters and calling them ftm as a cope? Like we used to have shippers just genderbend one character to make an m/m ship a f/m ship (this was super popular with naruto/sasuke). But now aidans will write "male" characters that are basically female. Picrel is supposed to man kek. This is literally just a woman.
Spoilered for NSFW fan art
>>1987839Kishimoto doesn't even do the art for boruto but yeah. The fact that the female characters in part 1 not being sexualized is weird now shows how moe/lolispergs getting pandered to is now the default in anime.
No. 1987951
>>1987936I thought this was a butch for a second and was like "oh neat!" But then the sinking realization that this is supposed to be based on a male character came and now I feel sad.
I guess tifs can't deal with having a female body so they have to make the male characters they like into women. I get where they are coming from but it's annoying
No. 1987966
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>>1987108He definitely reached by saying brown bears. Although the story pictures have always portrayed a bear who is brown, no one calls than that, they're just called bears. Plus, the bears always eat her in the end, she never gets coddled.
No. 1988211
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No. 1988298
>>1988211God that reminds, it's fuckimg annoying seeing fic writers write about a Japanese high school setting and them follow the typical American/British school terms instead of…Japanese
Or say two Japanese characters from a clearly Japanese setting, one likes anime and the other calls the otaku a weeb
It's such a nitpick but it takes me out of a fic so quickly
No. 1988384
>>1987839Boruto is so confusing, every time I see a random scan I am surprised it's from there. I actually like Ikemoto's art style but it looks like it belongs to a different genre entirely. It's like if you handed BNHA over to Kyoko Okazaki.
Everything here looks like it was referenced from adult women on fashion magazine spreads but resized to teen girl proportions with more or less success. It's unsettling.
No. 1988451
This whole "shonen manga need to have better written female characters" argument reminded me of something. We've talked about it in several thread, about how a lot of shojo manga were focused on action and adventure, had fight scenes, like plenty of shonen manga even though the presentation usually wasn't the same (as in, little to no powerscaling or tournament), but nowadays we have similar manga labelled as shonen manga purely for marketing reasons since they mostly attract female readers. But it's been a while since I paid attention to recent series, so maybe I'm wrong? Are there recent series that have fight scenes, action, mysteries, etc. that are published in shojo magazines in Japanese nowadays? Excluding super long series that are still ongoing like Akatsuki no Yona (I haven't read it but my friends told me it wasn't just romance). If I want to read about well written characters I tend to not look for them in shonen manga but at the same time I can't see myself just saying "if you want that just read shojo and josei manga" to others because sometimes you just want to see characters just beating the shit out of each other with cool, flashy martial art techniques and some of the shojo manga I can think of are old and don't have official or fan translations online.
No. 1988510
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>>1988494unlike you, i have done my research and found good female characters that i love that arent coom for men. You keep enjoying and making excuses for your sex dolls with vacuum sealed tits i will enjoy my cool women.
No. 1988517
>>1988492Anon you can just say you only enjoy watching men instead of strawmanning acting like you being uncomfortable by female characters is supposedly their "sexualisation".
While yes female characters are objectified more frequently than male ones that doesnt change the fact that you could find ones that aren't if you go look for it.
Acting like all female characters are sexualisized is absurd.
Even with anime being a gross coomer media…you can still find female characters that are potrayed normally even there.
You dont have to make excuses, we are all anon here so you can just say you like shounen or bl.
No. 1988540
>>1988537>Are you the same autist from the scan thread?no. i dont know why you are surprised other women share the same opinion on this site, newfag.
> I want to look at cute girl pictures. go cum at your lolis and big titty women but dont get angry when women dont like the same shit as you.
No. 1988541
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>>1988318Britishers, Americans, Australians and New Zealanders are all the same people I don't really see where Americans get off. Or Americans hating french people, when the fuck have you met a France french?
>>1988523Don't look at the super main stream stuff and you'll find a few, obviously beyond nothing post ~2019 but have a look. None of us have been spoonfed good anime, most of us have had to dig and I don't see why you can't get the initiative to do so
No. 1988546
>>1988536I just don't like lazy beggars.
If you go back to your research I'm sure you'll find results without any help.
No. 1988548
>>1988541>None of us have been spoonfed good anime, most of us have had to dig and I don't see why you can't get the initiative to do soi already said i do my own research. Satoshi kon's movies are filled with coombait so i dont know why you are using him as an example.
>>1988546i didnt beg for recs, learn to read. I am sure you would have given shitty coombait characters then gotten angry when i said i am not interested in your porn stash anyways.
No. 1988558
>>1988551if you are the autist from the scan thread on /m/ then you were posting moeshit, so ofcourse anons are going to call it scroteshit, because it is. Nothing wrong with liking moeshit as a guilty pleasure, i actually posted moeshit myself in that thread
>>>/m/375832, but i wouldnt get angry at women who dont want to see that shit like a sperg. The problem is that some of you are incapable of discerning between your personal taste and good female characters.
No. 1988569
>>1988561no, it was some love live stuff that's very clearly sexualized.
>>1988567that anon did the same lol
No. 1988571
>>1988548I chose Tsukiko Sagi specifically because she's the first well written non-coombait female character that came to mind. That's what you asked for?
>>1988567Agreed, both anons sound retarded and projectioning shit so this whole discussion is hard to read because no one has the context for it.
No. 1988580
>>1988558>>1988561There was an anon constantly complaining all through the thread when the pictures were hardly sexualized except for the LL one. A lot of those characters aren't great, like the one you posted is a literal loli but it's a shallow picture thread, not a good anime thread and OP said all anime welcome. As long as the picture itself is fine I don't get all the complaining.
Also no, I barely contributed to the thread and the most moe picture I posted was a single Lucky Star one, I just like lurking through it for nostalgia. It just feels weird to see so much seething over female anime characters and pictures in both threads all of a sudden so I thought it was the same person, but I'll drop it
No. 1988581
>>1988571Literally this dumb af infight that is going on right now wouldnt even be happening if anons maybe watched things that arent just for scrotes.
>waaah i only consume male shounen/seinen media where women are sexualized so that means all of them are.Ok dumb ass lol. Maybe give media that is made for women or all-ages a chance and you will find normal female characters.
You can't be pnly consuming r-rated or scrote-shit and then complaining about female characters
No. 1988624
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>>1988621I doubt official genderbend Kabru is what they're looking for.
No. 1988671
>>1986725In most contexts definitely not I think you need to be somewhat messed up to even mentally engage in it either that or you don't actually view them as siblings.
HoTD is an exception imo because it's just so fucking hilarious idk I can't take the show seriously. When you think about the Targaryen family how can you not laugh at that. It's also "magic incest" they're not affected by it and get to keep their magic dragon blood, unless you want to think of the "mad Targaryen" as a consequence of incest.
No. 1988771
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>>1988682a bland het story is always borderline offensive or especially bland to me anyway. bland het is like, picrel. bland bl at least has two hot guys for me to oogle…and if one of them is a wimpy sub it's far more permissible than a wimpy female sub
No. 1988800
>>1988451Good question. I wish i could come up with something that isn't Requiem of the Rose King, because i otherwise feel like there isn't much action shojo these days. Every other example (like Trinity Blood) takes you back to the 2000s. The last recent shojo i read that felt 'exciting' in a shonen way was Chihayafuru. I think you're right kek, it feels like shojo editors don't even bother to steal some attention from popular shonen series in the hearts of girls.
>>1988442Same!
>>1988482Oh thank you. I could never quite place why i hate 'fuck french/british people!' jokes. It's because they are extremely bland and baseless, there's no observation involved
No. 1988802
>>1988794The ukes in 99% bl stories have self-lubricating self-cleaning assholes with the functions of a vagina. Its actually hilarious.
Bl authors use ukes as a stand in as a pseudo-woman because fujos are too insecure to see a actual….gasp…female.
(fujo sperging) No. 1988805
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>>1988629>>1988632I posted that, not even my ship, BECAUSE lc is so full of silly contrarians kek. So disingenuous to assume tumblr op is defending the most hated hetship. Anon's theory of graduated tumblrinas real.
No. 1988806
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Funny how booktok haters always reveal themselves as being:
1. Moralfagging pickme who generalizes and wants to dictate what women read but does nothing about moids.
2. Moids, men, scrotes, worm-havers.
3. Fujos but not the normal ones, instead the crazy tif fujo ones.
No. 1988809
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>>1988808Of course it's a moid who wants to act like women reading erotica is on the same level as men watching porn.
It's not and will never be.
No. 1988810
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>>1988809>>1988808>>1988806And of course the other ones hating are also tranny tifs who are so "gaey"
No. 1988812
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>>1988810Your usual "i hate booktok and het, i love bl and it made me a gay man" face
No. 1988818
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>>1988806I don't like many of the books shilled on booktok and I'm extremely jaded with the state of the publishing industry nowadays but shitting on women who are just reading books that appeal to them for entertainment is such low hanging fruit. Sure they're trashy but nobody's shitting on the equally trashy mystery novels sold at the airport. At least people are reading books. Reminds me of a post that I think originated from Tumblr (Forgive the twitter screenshot) where most people were saying they'd rather have a gooner son.
No. 1988821
>>1988819>since they were deralining this threadthe very beginning of the thread started off with shipping bullshit
>>1986446 what did you expect
No. 1988822
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>>1988818Honestly the level of writing in those books is less complex than your average twitter caption, so calling it "reading a book" is a massive disservice to books. It's written at like a 3rd grade reading level…for adult women. I agree with the rest though.
No. 1988827
>>1988356It's the result of peak-tumblr's culture of both having to format all opinions as an argumentative essay with solid points and shit, and the need to okay everything unless you can make the better argument. You used to get shit for just saying 'I don't care for/dislike/hate x' if you didn't disguise it as a grander discussion or analysis (with bonus points if you could reference academic ideas and social issues).
There's also the matter of retards thinking that you excluding something by having a NOTP etc is a personal attack on them because they like that thing, and if you're out there saying it's something you don't want to see, then what you really don't want to see is them and that's violence. Or something, these people are batshit and take all the negative aspects of parasocial relationships to the next level.
No. 1988829
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>>1988814This was already argued about and why do you want to see enemas so badly?
Imo I think a lot of het ships are fine. I have many I like and many I have complicated feelings that I'd love to discuss, but they're just too moidy for here. Vanilla by another name is waifubait.
No. 1988832
>>1988822>muh intellectualism Ok and why do you want them to be on the same level as academic or research books?
No one holds other genres to this standard and we all know why.
No. 1988844
>>1988832nta but you do know that you can read books that are written to an adult standard that are also fun and trashy? Hell, there are middle grade books with better prose than this.
Genre has little to do with it as well, the writing is this quality because these romance/dark romance/romantasy books are churned out incredibly quickly with little to no editing, or are self-published. Do women not deserve better quality than that? Do we deserve only slop designed to make a quick buck and be forgotten, replaced by another equally (or worse) version a few weeks later, with even more corners cut?
No. 1988848
>>1988841You can't be calling anyone a idiot when you generalize all of booktok based of one author.
Yeah we all know Coho is trash but why are tou acting like she represents all romance books?
>>1988844My point was how anons was judging a whole genre based of some authors and holding it to a higher standard.
Of course i want high-quality but i also won't judge someone who reades sloopy writing because women are free to amjoy what they want. Although i know "free to enjoy" is a foreigb word to many women and especially to ones in fandoms due to conformity and only doung what others tell you. Thats why so many girls in fandoms are miserable and only infight.
No. 1988852
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In my opinion, booktok books are just repackaged and slightly devolved Danielle Steel type slop. She's written over 190 books, I doubt many of them are well edited or even just decently written in general. I used to read Harlequin romances when I was bored and honestly most of them were hot shit and not much better than current books when compared, the only difference is that there's excessive and unneeded edge to a lot of recent slop and much of it is derivative.
Same old shit, different shirt.
No. 1988854
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>>1988848>You can't use the most popular author who's sold tens of millions of copies and has millions of readers to represent booktokAs if ACOTAR is any better. I've read MTL'd novels from foreign languages that have a higher level of prose.
No. 1988863
>>1988849ayrt and yeah, a lot of them are just fanfics with the serial numbers filed off (though I think it's interesting that these ones never seem to belong to that slim category of fanfics that actually are high enough quality that they feel like reading a real, published novel kek, though that's likely due to the types of authors behind these things), with the worst ones (that I'm aware of) originating from rpf wattpad fics.
I also feel like going for booktok as a whole is misguided, as the people on there who just want to read basic trashy YA for fun get lumped in with/overshadowed by the people frothing over McHandsome rapist stalker book boyfriends who entrap the female mc financially and through pregnancy etc and who openly admit they can't get through reading a book if there's no sex/'spice' in the first quarter of the novel (tbh that's the main thing that 'concerns' me, as you shouldn't need porn just to get through a book/any media, really)
No. 1988870
>>1988833>>1988838Being honest, between coffeeshop au and gambling, I enjoy autistic sports style shipping more. The rants about how "this character will win the mc bowl!" can be pretty fun.
Generally, I've stopped caring for fanfiction.
No. 1988913
>>1988351disney killed the franchise because it was competing with their then upcoming descendants series and then took the disney princesses license from mattel, which made them do budget cuts that led to mh g2. some also say that mattel self sabotaged mh since it was outselling their golden child barbie.
i wish eah came back so badly but i am not a fan of mh g3's direction so i'd would prefer if it was left untouched. i find some dolls by themselves cute but it's like mattel is now trying to compensate that the og line wasn't squeaky clean wOkE by adding bullshit rep like nb frankie or forced nationalities (since they're non human dolls i prefer them to be nationality-less so anyone could headcanon any doll as anything).
anyways dollfags, how do we feel about the doll fandom? i don't like it when it turns too activism virtual signal-y, like complaining when some rando rebodies a curvy doll in a thin body or reroots a curly haired doll with straight hair. they're plastic pieces of merchandise, not some sacred symbol of culture, let people do whatever they want with their belongings ffs.
No. 1988955
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>>1988633Nta but how many straight romances have gnc women as the lead? The average fictional tomboy is just a super feminine woman with short hair. The only example I can think of is pic related and it was implied.
It is absolutely revolutionary because men refuse to see women they are not attracted to get any representation in media let alone a romance.
No. 1988992
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>>1988629well since no one posts some good het ships im just gonna do it myself. kinda shit you can only post one image.
No. 1988994
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>>1988992im only posting like 3 images so please dont ban me for spamming.
No. 1988996
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>>1988629a het haikyuu couple may be an unpopular opinion but they're so cute, all haikyuu female characters are amazing
No. 1989003
>>1989000>I’m a hardcore weeb>doesn’t know subahibiSure.
>>1989001>I don’t read VNs from 10-20 years agoWhy not though?
No. 1989007
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>>1988955NTA just go to the “androgynous female lead” tag on mangaupdates, skip the obvious coomerslop and you will get your straight gnc woman romances.
If some are still shit, well exactly because it’s not revolutionary and has good works, okay works, and slop like any other m/f dynamic people like. And some of the people who make these still have shitty ideas about gnc women and even lesbians. It’s funny how there are way more m/f romances with gnc women than there are in f/f despite how often people claim the latter is ‘stereotypical’. Some of these straight girls actually look more butch than any of the “butches” we get in GL. Because a gnc woman in a straight relationship is still more acceptable than the alternative (of course I can’t even blame hets for this kek, because gnc girls are unpopular with GL fans too)
No. 1989077
>>1989067>Euphoria VNthey literally eat poop and wear diapers so I just don't see how that could be a masterpiece of any sort. Moids are then again showing they have no empathy brain and 0 emotional skills that women develop naturally growing up, so any torture porn with any minimal level of storytelling they can get is "a masterpiece" in their eyes.
Most VNs are retarded imo, because the otakus that write them don't know how to write besides smashing their dicks on a keyboard. If there's any brilliance in them it is purely coincidental.
No. 1989101
>>1989088Can't speak for your friend, but a lot of people assume that cynicism and 'dark' (edgy) stuff is automatically more profound or intellectual than something optimistic or even neutral and lacking in anything shocking. Some people also recognise that the things in that kind of media that make them uncomfortable or feel confronted are fetishistic/otherwise gross and prefer to elevate it rather than admit to it. Others also put too much value on media that makes them 'feel something', awarding it a higher grade than it otherwise deserves just because it provoked a reaction from them, or showed them something new (to them). It's kinda depressing, but a lot of people engage with media like this.
For another example, this time literary fiction, there's a book called A Little Life that's honestly no better than a random trauma-porn fanfic (you know those kinds where the whump goes off the rails to an almost ridiculous extent kek), and it got treated as far more profound than it actually is, mostly because it blunders through a bunch of over the top, traumatic events and made people cry with its ending.
No. 1989122
>>1989110Ngl I like the silly
Mithrun x Marcille for the small moment it was tosses around.
No. 1989130
>>1989128I wish all these dumbass "
femcel" larper normies would leave ASAP.
No. 1989134
>>1989130The normies aren't the
femcels from TikTok anon
No. 1989254
>>1986473Every time. Every single time they complain about being ~le oppressed~ in fandom spaces and how the Gays are boolying them it's some retard with the worst written m/f ship ever, usually featuring a self insert. They never write fanfics and barely draw fanart because even they can't bring themselves to give enough of a shit about it. The people who ship m/f and don't constantly whine and moan about gay shit stealing their spotlight are the ones who are genuinely invested in it and support the other people who ship it instead of just sitting in their soiled diapers crying about not being appreciated enough.
>>1986479>Beat it chick! Believe it!KEK I love this meme
No. 1989373
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>>1989044Psychological horror is based and that scene was just there for shock value to show how fucking crazy everyone’s gotten. I wouldn’t say it’s the best VN ever though because the second half is real bad and there’s not much fujo stuff outside of Takuji getting raped by guys.
No. 1989393
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>>1989015>the point is that "GNC" characters from japanese works (or media inspired by Japanese oteme) are not really GNCAnon didn’t say that though, her point was that having GNC women in straight romances is “revolutionary”
>>1988955>how many straight romances have gnc women as the lead? The average fictional tomboy is just a super feminine woman with short hair.The women in the examples I posted are not just “super feminine woman with short hair” and majority are drawn androgynously in a way that wouldn’t appeal to moid gaze. If a woman who wears short hair, avoids makeup/feminine clothes, and likes wearing mens’ clothes doesn’t count as GNC, I’d like to hear the criteria.
One of the heroines in that compilation is straight up a lesbian who’s a takarazuka fangirl, likes dressing masculine, and has pushed away all the dresses and feminine norms her mom’s been trying to force on her since childhood. I think I can confidently call her gnc kek. She ends up crying because the girls she dates never treat her seriously as a love interest. She detests men but this is a straight manga, so the author makes up a plot where’s she’s forced into a boys’ school to get over her hatred of men and eventually fall for a boy. Seeing this, then seeing stories where straight gnc girls complain about how popular they are with girls, just plain hurt lol. Idc if you like straight couples, I like some too. But it’s not revolutionary and still adheres to certain norms.
>to me it's completely superficial and based on shallow aesthetics rather than traits and passions.I’m not sure how you can generalize several manga like that, but okay. Still doesn’t make the girls not GNC(maybe some fall into feminization tropes, but others still genuinely prefer to dress masculine). GNC is just gender-nonconforming, so expressing oneself outside gender norms. I think you’d have a point if we were talking about butches, but GNC is a broader term that encompasses more people. Even the original conversation was just about “tomboyish women” who ended up getting called GNC
>>1988628 No. 1989420
>>1988992ugly fatty and generic moe girl
>>1988994idk but looks like a loli, ew
>>1988997he's fucking ugly and annoying and doesn't deserve her, fuck off
No. 1989439
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>>1989139Its so annoying.
I remember when meeting a person that was into anime/manga back in the day was like finding a pot of gold. We'd be able to talk about a shit ton of series together and friendships were able to form just from how in depth the convos would go.
Now if you meet an "anime fan" they probably only watched 1 30+ ep anime at best and are always chasing the next FOTM slop. Also these people seem to be too lazy to even try reading manga because their attention spans are fried and will genuinely get mad if people try to recommend it to them.
No. 1989485
>>1989461>A character that looks like a little girl and acts like a little girl and dresses in a maid dressHe actually wears the girl's school uniform, but close enough. Wouldn't say he acts anything like a girl though since he's a porn addict moefag otaku who hates non virgins.
>This reminds me of all the porn addict men who try to hit on fujos by saying "I like that stuff too, femboy traps are so hot".Jokes on you a bunch of moids dropped the VN because of that scene.
No. 1989502
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>>1989494>and the self insert male MC and best waifu is the hetship of the yearHe's not the self insert MC though, this guy is.
No. 1989510
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Best het is these 2 dorks but like I said before it's LITERALLY PEDOPHILIA because she's 16 and he's 23 in tyool 1901
No. 1989511
>>1989485>Jokes on you a bunch of moids dropped the VN because of that scene.That still doesn't make the trap rape scene for fujos. Not every moid who watched Boku no Pico liked it either.
>>1989502Yes the sis-con is the self insert MC, that makes it so much better. Btw did anyone mention the bestiality yet?
No. 1989513
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>>1989505>They're all self-inserts for moids>Moids self insert as this nowThat's really gay.
>>1989511>That still doesn't make the trap rape scene for fujosDidn't say it was, I know a lot of fujos into it though.
>Btw did anyone mention the bestiality yet?Kek, now you have.
No. 1989528
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>>1989525Issue with sissy fetishists is that they're fugly AND 3DPD (double negative), they will never be a cute anime uke.
No. 1989537
>>1989533>>1989535Is Shinji filth or a trap? Stay consistent anon.
>>1989536I agree, because of that I've coined YWNBAU (you will never be an uke).
No. 1989546
>>1989539Played it for the psychological horror, that was just a bonus. I obviously also play yaoi VNs though.
>>1989540>Forced crossdressing is the same as being a womanKinda sounds like troon logic.
No. 1989549
>>1989546Isn't it troon logic?
Crossdressors/bodyswap actually being a metaphor for "
valid transwoman" has always been a tranny cope.
No. 1989553
>>1989545I mean considering that the scene was so shocking that I genuinely had to stop for a bit to recover from the mindfuck I just received, wouldn't you say it kind of accomplished being extreme psychological horror?
>>1989549That's usually characters like Astolfo who do the whole trapshit of 'I love looking and dressing like a girl!' as opposed to being forced to crossdress by other men.
No. 1989606
>>1989591Ngl, I have noticed that a lot of things sound so much worse than they actually are, either morally or in quality, or both.
Like I watched a show that was apparently disgusting scrote shit ew bleh and it was just… normal.
No. 1989630
>>1989591It's pathetic to think you're above others and call them normalfags because they think a game with graphic loli porn, rape, trapshit and bestiality is actually bad and not as "deep" as you think.
t. someone who has actually played subahibi
No. 1989637
>>1989631nta but I think it's
valid for women to use that argument but not men since women aren't the 99% of rapists. This is why I think female shotacons are fine but not male lolicons.
No. 1989657
>>1989631>>1989639>most pedophiles>pedo scrotesso, not women? for the millionth time: women are allowed to enjoy
problematic media
No. 1989658
>>1989633No, the thing was I was expecting the amount of sexualization I was warned about and not much of anything actually happened. I also get this with moids, "this show is terrible the mc is horrible it sucks" and I watch it and it's just fine. A 6/10, I wouldn't say that's a bad time, actually.
>loli tranny showDragon Maid?
No. 1989661
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No. 1989670
>>1989643>replying with a wall of text due to a pedantic errorHoly autism.
>>1989654Don't you have games to play where girls get raped instead of admitting you're running out of arguments?
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Basically Takuji's too sexualized by the narrative to be a self insert protagonist, doesn't help that he's basically an evil kawoshin love child in vibes.
No. 1989681
>>1989672Unrelated to the original point but man, I wish we all kept this attitude on social media without any interruption. Instead some stupid Amerilard teenage girl made the "your fave is
problematic" blog on tumblr because wanted to annoy boys in her class or something and it went out of control and now years later everyone here is calling each other a scrote or a fake weeb or whatever.
No. 1989690
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>>1989684
>In one of the artbooks, one of the staff members actually compared his iteration in Tsui no Sora to Kaworu kek.
I blame his otou san being a schizo cat killer for how he turned out…
No. 1989748
>>1989720No worries, anon. I was expecting a ban, just didn't want it to be deleted. I went out of my way to find a good cg and all.
>>1989743I just posted like the other loli/trap defenders itt.
No. 1989806
>>1989773Tbf Kiki is the speaker while Kaka is very shy, I don't think he ever says more than a two words the whole story.
I think that's kind of cute and I actually sort of like the 3p idea but it makes sense why Namari gets shipped with the twin that's more straightforward.
No. 1990048
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>>1988629another good one is the main couple from kamisama
No. 1990225
>>1988451Apparently Japan isn't as strict with their demographic labeling. So something like Black Butler technically runs in a 'shonen' magazine but everyone knows it's fans are mostly women. So some of the discussion might be people talking past each other because stuff is defined differently or because the definitions aren't as strict.
Otherwise I've heard its due to shonen magazines making concerted efforts to pick up additional demographics to be more General Audiences. Meanwhile shoujo magazines didn't and they began to focus primarily on running romances. So series that would have previously run in shoujo magazines now have to run in shonen mags because shoujo magazines aren't interested in their pitches. Currently Weekly Shonen Jump is running Witch Watch and Akane Banashi and Ruri Dragon, all of which would have been at home in shoujo magazines, but they aren't.
No. 1990248
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I still don't understand why so many people in fandom just re-create heterosexuality? like with picrel you can debate the second on the right might just be butch but red has actual male proportions, like no woman is built like that.
No. 1990288
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>>1989773>why do you think everyone malds over Ichigo getting with Orihime instead of Rukia?Kek thanks for reminding me how much i hate that fat retard. Rukia also suffers from sexist writing which is to be expected as kubo is a degenerate scrote but is ultimately the better character compared to that lardwhale bangmaid. I'm not surprised nor do i care about misogyny in shounen slop because it's to be expected but orihime is a downright disgusting character, even in the earlier arcs she acted like a retarded child who did nothing else besides her breasts bouncing boobly. Somehow though it's weirdly fitting for that manchild ichigo to subconsciously not be over his moms death and marry a woman closely resembling her while freud laughs in purgatory or some shit. I remember reading something that orihime is based on what kubo's ideal woman is (ew) which makes me wish that his bloodline would've been wiped out by hiroshima radiation poisoning long ago so maybe we could've had one less disgusting moid in this world at the expense of the few hot bishies that spawned from him. Also i hate that he inserts his degenerate fetishes into every chapter in regards to orihime, i think i'd have less of an issue with her if he stopped doing that. It's great if he likes sped women with orangutan tits, but normal people such as myself don't especially since most bleach fans are adults now. Thank god wsj overworked his ugly ass kek
No. 1990311
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>>1989773>For example if we look at dunmeshi, there's a notable amount of romantic Namari/Kiki fanart but almost nothing of Namari and Kaka, unless it's her with the both of them even though they're exactly the same development wiseI mean that’s not really a surprise, like
>>1989806 said, Kiki talks more, plus she has the more contrasting personality with Namari. Also this last line that made people go crazy
No. 1990322
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>>1990248>Draw a straight up man>Add some scars>Call it a TIF>Say it's lesbian eroticaI don't even know, this is like 8 layers of retarded and I don't have the energy to make fun of and dissect it.
No. 1990441
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>>1990225Yes, that's my point. I always use Black Butler as an example because it's so blatant it's meant for teenage girls and young women. Now that these target demographics aren't as strict as they used to be, it's a bit frustrating to see people talking about shojo, shonen, seinen and josei manga as if they were genres and not target demographics. It makes discussions and giving recommandations to other complicated.
>Akane BanashiIsn't that a manga about rakugo? I haven't read it but thinking about it, I'm starting to wonder how older shojo manga would be labelled if they were recent and still ongoing. Can you imagine something like Attacker You or Glass Mask in the shonen jump? This is cracking me up, the characters were taking volley ball and theater so seriously in these series, from what I remember watching on tv as a kid, you'd think their lives were threatened over it. It was so over the top I can actually imagine it. Haikyuu is basically Attacker You but with guys anyway, from the only episodes I've seen. Even the MC looks like a genderbend of the MC in Attacker You. And even then, I do remember a lot of boys watching that kind of stuff because it was on TV and they were waiting for episodes of other series and ended up liking them, especially the old anime about sports.
Aside from that, I wonder how age demographics also come into play in all of this. Sure the shonen jump is for teenage boys but it seems like everyone reads it, and not just because they're following old series from when they were kids. You have recent series that are really popular with adults like JJK when these people were already adults after all.
No. 1990482
>>1990387>Isn't calling it "lesbian" invalidating their "trans identities" anyway?You know, nona, nothing makes sense with gendies. They change the meaning of the words as much as they want and whenever they want to fit their narrative and agenda. And anyone who complains is an evil twansphobic
terf bigot white karen conservative homophobic cunt cisnormative transmisogynist bioessensialist uneducated privileged bitch etc, so whatever. Le sigh
No. 1990743
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Why are shonenfags obsessed with canon? Arguments over what's canon or not canon always goes from 0 to 100 with them. (And genshin fags but genshinfags are mostly shonenfags, yumes and fujos).
No. 1990769
>>1990743Honestly "character would totally love celebrity/product/politics" are also really obnoxious.
Like no, Mario does not stan Sabrina Carpenter. He doesn't know she exists. He's a videogame character.
No. 1990779
>>1990743That's clearly a fucking joke I don't think they're being that serious about Yuji liking MTS. Also
>Yuji would never like Megan Thee Stallion that's not canon>but Yuji would definitely get boy pregnant with GetoWhat the fuck, pick one.
No. 1990791
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>>1990743not the point but holy shit she's so beautiful
No. 1991072
>>1988913I agree. EAH would be a disaster if they revived it. The original lines were a lot of fun and they don’t meed to be woke to be successful. Both lines were a little cheeky and more clever compared to Barbie but they could have been successful by keeping those lines. Retarded. Also didn’t Descendants bomb?
I enjoy seeing doll creations but it’s a headache because of cUlTurAl ApProPriATiOn so you can’t make a culture or heritage nod to a doll without being shunned. No thanks.
No. 1991328
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I think picrel applies to how many female characters, who are just slightly less feminine are perceived within fandom.
No. 1991438
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>>1990248she has to know what she's doing here
No. 1991456
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This goes to a deeper issue, so I've said it before but I believe sexuality is innate and a straight man or woman will always be straight and whatever same-sex media they try to create(whether it's m/m or f/f) will always carry those lingering traits of their inherent straightness. and there's nothing wrong with that but the problem is that fandom-induced brain-rot has given these people a phobia of "cis-het relationships" so they always have to find some way to make it "queer".
No. 1991462
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>>1991443Apparently she has a tif girlfriend(with penis envy judging by who she designed
>>1990322) but this artist is also at fault for encouraging her gf’s mental illness, kek can these girls just get therapy already
No. 1991479
>>1991328Agree, and while I understand that 'not like other girls' used to refer to a very specific personality type that was grating and focused on contrasting the NLOG's difference (and therefore better-ness) to said 'other girls', I feel like you rarely see that actual personality type compared to how often any woman who is either minding her own business going against the mould or who expresses discomfort towards femininity etc being called NLOGs. It's just another way for women to bully each other into socially conforming imo, at this point.
On the topic of fandom though, I hear female characters get called NLOGs a lot these days if the character expresses any form of dissatisfaction with her lot in life that puts her at odds with feminine stereotypes. For example, a side comment about how a character has no interest in or doesn't like things like fashion or makeup will cause some female readers to arc up as if it's a direct insult to them and all womenkind's potential interest and enjoyment of those things, even if the comment is completely neutral and just about the specific character and not a broad judgement. You'll then see fan content of said character 'learning to embrace her femininity' or whatever by wearing pretty dresses and putting on makeup etc (or having a feminine character 'fix' her with a makeover).
I think it can partly be a problem of expecting all female main characters to be for self-inserting, so anything that hampers that ticks people off who were expecting a husk to inhabit (you also see similar negative reactions towards female characters in general who have strong, messy personalities, and I feel like this is a part of why having good female characters with a lot of depth is such an uphill battle, as some will react very hostilely towards women who aren't bland vessels, but that's a whole other topic). For what its worth, I see this a lot with female readers who move from stuff like YA romances (which are built for self inserting most of the time) to female character studies, so sometimes it's just due to being used to one kind of fiction over the other.
No. 1991502
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>>1991456>tina and daffyJust looked her up (Tina is the one with hair) and kek wtf, how did Looney Tunes’ sexual dimorphism get to this point? Daffy’s first wife/gf(at the top) actually looked normal, then things just went to shite because moid artists hate women, and somehow these modern artists still topped it all with the shittiest possible design yet. I’m even more baffled that fans think this couple is woke queer vibes.
No. 1991514
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>>1991502I’m happy this trend is pretty much on life support and now female anthropomorphic animals just look like regular animals as opposed to ducks with tits and hair
No. 1991531
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>>1991328I hate this shit as well. Some of the early ones like with the tumblr vs facebook girl who got edited into a horny lesbian were mildly funny but the more current ones just come off as gaslighting to me.
I feel like even anime falls into this trap nowadays
>in the early 2010s Kirino who was into otaku shit but since she was keeping it secret and mainly did traditionally girly shit she was still a mega bitch like one would expect her to be>nowadays we have Marin who is so popular, kind, pretty and a huge otaku who always stands up to bullies and hates when people are picked on for their interests! Both are obviously moid characters, but at least they tried to stay semi realistic with Kirino.
Obviously I’m not saying popular girls can’t like nerdy shit like anime, but I feel like it’s a fucking stretch especially in the early 2010s when most of these pics were made.
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>>1991532Didn’t see the movie, but the less of this shit the better so I already like her design.
No. 1991560
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>>1991531You're right, the vast majority of those "me vs other girls" comics came from teenage girls in the 2010s who were outcasts, being into anime and comics wasn't as socially acceptable as today and best they were were ignored and at worst they were actively mocked and bullied. So when you go through that you do think you're not like other girls, but the vast majority of these comics were turned into blatant fetish bait and now the majority of stuff posted that they make 'yuri' out of me are mostly self-deprecating memes and comics by random women.
No. 1991601
>>1991583You can't, and assuming someones sexuality from their crappy fictional writing is silly.
Treating sexuality like a sacred cow that can never be altered is just forcing yourself to obey the delusional idea that men are always dominant and women are always submissive and there's no challenging or changing that. It's a form of misogyny and homophobic tradthot delusion imo with the goal being to keep women subjugated and men subjugating. It's counter intuitive to believe so just as trannies believe a woman with short hair and a lack of bimbofied hyperfeminine stereotypes is a man. Same coin, different side. On the other hand forcing anyone to do anything they don't want is also tranny logic, specifically male, woman raping tranny logic. The slop of this shipping picrel in the post makes no sense and as usual is using sexual orientation to discriminate in some made up retarded way as retards do.
>>1991456 but the logic of the poster in the picrel is the natural conclusion of boxing people into fixed categories like pokemon that that anon is ironically arguing to maintain. Just my ten cents on picrel, I know this is an incredibly unpopular opinion everywhere online, irl, on this site where the status quo must be maintained.
No. 1991621
>>1991456I think it's more about most people just not being skillful or thoughtful enough creators to remove themselves and their experiences/expectations from their work when they need to be. Some of you will always be in what you create, but a lot of people work from a very self-absorbed and indulgent lens– it's why characters get warped from canon to fit broader stereotypes that flatter the fan creator's interest, and why mundane settings like high school and coffeeshop AUs will always be common. Skilled creators who think about and understand what they're doing when they make something won't make the same seemingly obvious faux pas, and often have different motivations than ones who just want to write an indulgent OOC shipfic or whatever. It's all about the goals and execution.
I'm not even saying it's necessarily a bad thing either, it's just the reality of fiction, published or fan-made. It has kind of been made worse though by the need to hyper-categorise everything into identity boxes or tropes, or how there's the idea of Own Voices knocking about where you can't write something unless you are also that something, which in my experience just encourages and justifies laziness when it comes to looking outside yourself or researching things since you gotta stay in your own lane and all that.
Sorry for getting on me soapbox kek, but this shit is so tiring and annoying, both as a creator and audience in general
No. 1991867
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>moids unironically believe this
As if they aren’t the ones jacking off to Rance and Euphoria, the third pic on the otome side isn’t even otome.
No. 1991884
>>1991873The first two are from popular otome games and I'm not even saying women aren't into stuff like that (Toma is the most popular Amnesia guy after all) I just think scrotes are retarded for saying that they're somehow the 'LE HECKIN WHOLESOME' ones when they're way more into their self inserts raping women than women are into their self inserts getting raped.
>>1991879It's just pure copium stuff, it's the same reason they make memes like this even though they're into all of the above (except yaoi).
No. 1991891
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>>1991867I haven't played those otome but I've always figured this and Diabolik Lovers were in part taking the piss.
No. 1991893
>>1991884I feel like I rarely met any moids into anime who aren't total coomers in general and they make fandoms where they dominate insufferable
because of how much they sexualize everything and their disgusting kinks even when the actual thing isn't sexual at all, they dislike being called out so yeah they cope that women are actually worse even when it's objectively untrue and it's the most hypocritical shit. Even the most pick me women or women into "kinky" things in otome or whatever else aren't as porn sick as the average weeb scrote. They really want to act like they only care about "true love" and aren't like those slutty kinky women while regularly jacking off to rape and lolis, making up vile words like "cunny". It's all so tiresome
No. 1991956
>>1988806>>1988809>>1988810>>1988822>>1988818It was fun to laugh at booktok but now seeing these idiots and their room temp takes makes me want to defend them
I've seen booktok books get compared to fast fashion which just shows how these people don't understand words or why certain things are bad.
It's cringe that adults aren't reading stories written at an adult reading level but to get compared to porn addicts is such a reach
No. 1991960
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>>1989015Lets be serious is GNC anything that isn't shallow? There are more "spiritually" GNC female characters than aesthetically.
These words keep changing which is why you have some people on LCF shitting on tomboys when 10+ years ago they were considered very "gnc" before the term was even used and populariesd.
No. 1991967
>>1991560These fucking creeps keep hijacking everything so they can coom.
Girls and women can't even think about how alienated they feel from other women without it having to center around their fucking cooming.
No. 1991987
>>1991560I despise that subreddit, the NLOG x normal/mean girl thing could work but you know they don't care about the potential developments of this dynamic. It's an excuse to indulge in their bimbo obsession/'i'm a
femcel tomboy' cope. It's dogshit reverse harem material tailored for troons
>>1991479Many of these women are/were well into adulthood, whereas the so-called NLOGs are almost always teens. It makes so much more sense when you notice they act like bitter mothers/older female relatives who hate to see girls enjoying a kind of freedom they've lost as adults. It's pretty wild how their bitterness bleeds into fiction, how poisoned do you have to be to not even tolerate seeing a girl struggle with femininity (as most girls do)
No. 1992070
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>>1991987Not surprised that shit like this also pops up there.
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>>1992069Only example of a woman who I genuinely think has fetishes on moid level (at least that I've seen) is todokaras and my friend who was into twisted wonderland+enstars boys getting fucked by pigs.
No. 1992146
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>>1992144they cant be bland because cute guys in anime are rare. take
>>1988992 and r63 it and i will like it because it would be a pretty rare, unique dynamic. Most hetship dynamics are pic rel, if i wanted this i would just get a 3DPD moid to date myself.
No. 1993407
>Oh, that shotacon OVA wasn't even bad, not like this lolicon anime which is worse.
Can't she be less hypocritical?
No. 1993547
>>1993407>Oraymo>Watching an anime just to buy a figureI fucking hate modern weebs so much.
The whole point of watching Boku no Pico was to gross yourself out, the joke was that everyone found it disgusting. Though honestly the real reason Boku no Pico doesn't work as shock humor anymore is that shotacon is way more normalized nowadays, even if its called "femboy" instead of shota
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>>1993582It was a shock content challenge, nobody forced people to watch it. It was trendy precisely because it was revolting and hard to sit through.
When I was a kid watching 2 girls 1 cup was the trend, but the idea made me want to vomit in my mouth so even if people pushed me to watch it, I didn't. It didn't normalize eating shit or watching people eat shit
No. 1993766
>>1993582you dont have to watch it. No one, absolutely no one every got ''tricked'' into watching boku no pico
>ask sauce>get told its boku no pico>search boku no pico>first google image pic looks nothing like anime i asked sauce for>its not on kissanime because its fucking porn>close tabs and realize i got trolled ecksdeeeif you go beyond that its because you actually want to watch it out of curiosity, which is what most of these ironic weebs that thinks its literally cp!11!!! dont want you to know, because they would be admitting to actually looking for cp.
No. 1993819
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People have started comparing booktok and dark romance to men who view real life abuse content.
People think women reading about some possive dub-con yandere men is on the same level of men who are molesters.
No. 1993835
>>1993819I've seen the degeneracy that is booktok and the straight up romanticization of grown men having sex with underaged girls, group sex, incest, violence, pumped out by female authors like Penelope Douglas. It's "fun" and "fantasy" to you, but what it really does is brainwash young girls into thinking they want to explore those concepts, and gives any male who is aware of these stories the impression that "a lot of girls like that sort of thing." Not everyone who reads these books is going to have the life experience or the forethought to understand the difference between fantasy and real life, and it is genuinely harmful. Write whatever you want I guess, censorship isn't what I'm advocating for, but have some self awareness that while not the SAME or AS HARMFUL as actual abuse, it certainly does cause harm and in some cases is a pipeline to actual abuse happening.
No. 1993837
>>1993823>>1993826You know whats funny i cant even take your hypocritical moralfagging seriously amymore considering literally hours ago on this same thread all anons in unison were defending child abuse hentai. You're just a degenerate weeb, thats why you love calling others degenerate because you are projecting. Booktok will never be on the same level as the shit you watch no matter how much you pathetic pedo ass wishes it was. Fake moralfagging freak.
You want booktok to be on the same level as that shit sooo bad.
No. 1993847
>>1993843>The same thing has not happened for dark romanceyes it has. There are people nowadays unironically using the ''maybe she asked for it'' excuse in the case of rape and murder because of the normalization of bdsm. I already posted an example before of a normie true crime youtuber with millions of subs saying that maybe the
victim wanted to be choked.
No. 1993853
>>1993835~dark fiction~ enjoyers are so disingenuous, how is it that every piece of dark fiction they enjoy features a man abusing a woman and not any of the other 1,001 dark topics a book could be written about? why are there so few het ~dark romances~ that feature an
abusive women? men have been bad lovers since time in perpetuity, would it kill them to read something subversive?
No. 1993855
>>1993841No because those are a minority and happen in almost every genre and even in fluffy romance.
Ive read quite a few yandere stories and the mc were adults. Im sure there are some with minors but they dont seem to be made as much. Also before you give me cherrypicked examples of random romance authors writing pedophilia like you are making some point.
Just know the same thing you are doing against het readers can be done to fujos. I say this as a a fujo and a het reader. There are many fujos who created pedo content but imagine if someone labelled all of yaoi as pedo?
No. 1993858
>>1993847That literally has nothing to even do woith booktol and people have been saying that since the beginning of humanity.
Also stop spamming that same YouTube, it's forced in liberal spaces to be kink-positive but that still has nothing to do with fiction.
No. 1993862
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imagine having one chance at life and being born a beta maledom shitter instead of a stacy male ryona enjoyer, couldn't be me
No. 1993870
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>>1993843I've read studies about the impact dark romance has on the mental health of young girls as far back as the early 2000s, and that was about books like Twilight. Content has only gotten more extreme and to pretend like teenage and tween girls reading these novels is normal or healthy is willfully ignorant. I've seen over a dozen of these books written from the perspective of a girl just on the cusp of 18 being sexually abused by male authority figures and these are the
big books on the booktok recommended list. You can't keep moving the goal post so that you don't feel any guilt for participating in a system that fundamentally causes harm. Just because it's not on a scale
you can observe or have knowingly experienced, doesn't mean it isn't true. It's not a competition about who is worst, it's about the safety of girls first and foremost. There is really nothing to be defensive about.
No. 1993878
Pack it up anons this shit yall reading is degenarete and on the same level as pedo lolisho.
Actually no you are not even allowed to read normal or fluffy het because its all bland shit that reinforces stereotypes
Oh so now you think you can read yaoi?? Well you can't bitch, yaoi has het dynamics and the uke is a self-insert, omegaverse is proof of that. Stop watching yaoi you porn addicts.
Congrats you have finally stopped watching all erotica altogether, oh you masturbate…you better stop that since that is porn sick behavior too you degenarate.
OH! Erm…you are asking what my opinion on loli/shota is? I actually don't think it's bad and i don't think it's harmful since it's drawn. I bully any retard who dares to criticize lolisho, people are sooo sensitive, ain't nothing wrong with lolisho.
Oh!!! You are calling me a hypocrite for defending drawn pedo while i am not allowing women to read any erotica?? Well listen here….YOU DEGENERATE BITCH, PORN ADDICT, MALEDOM SHITTER, FUJO , TIF….you are causing harm to all women, you are a pickme..no the hentai i watch of little girls is totally not bad…no i will never be on the same level as you dirty fujos and book readers(unhinged infight bait)
No. 1993881
>>1993878here is the real deal
>you read loli/shotakys
>you read booktook dark romance slopcringe, get better taste
>you read fluffyou are cute and i like you, you seem sweet
>you read stories where men get raped/abusedyou are a gigastacy and we can be besties
No. 1993891
>>1993862>maledom shittersThis is actually hilarious because i mostly read BL and for het I read femdom and vanilla. Yet i still will defend booktok.
You keep making ad hominem attacks about anons here you know nothing about just to silence them or stop anyone from agreeing with them.
I regularly find normal stories on booktok all the time, you want to label us as maledom enjoyers so bad so you can win some argument on lolcow.
No. 1993903
>>1993881Funny how those males getting abused and raped are almost always the uke/bottom, feminine, or omegas who can give birth.
There is nothing gigastacy about that. More like
femcel No. 1993943
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>>1993881Lets be besties anon.
No. 1993983
>>1993975They use the 'but men are worse' as a shield or deflection for their own interests, to avoid actually arguing their point properly, or to derail a genuine conversation, which is kinda ironic because for as terrible as they say men are or however much anons might also say they hate them in the same breath, they're still using the spectre of a man for protection or centring the conversation back on men.
I just think it's kinda funny tbh, and not that deep or anything kek
No. 1994126
>>1994122please do sounds super fun. You can make in media. All i know about the scp community is that they got all
triggered over a rapist door knob or something kek
No. 1994157
>>1991867I hate moids who fancy themselves as a Konstantin Lyovin type, holy shit.
Most of them are unable to feel love without mixing It with their own libidos (which, by the way, can only be fulfilled by degrading their partners in sex because penetration is a form of degradation to them), but will act like poor dogs who just want to feel useful and loved by their wives in a very asexual way.
No. 1994171
>>1993878You keep acting like people in this thread are a monolith, this type of thread will attract proshippers who think anything is fair game as long as it's fiction, antis who want to censor any
problematic media and everything in between.
You are also comparing novels marketed at young girls or made mainstream in the west to us hours ago talking about watching disturbing/shock content, you can't buy Boku no Pico at Barnes and Noble. Take a deep breath
No. 1994200
>>1994187Tbf nta but tifs are an absolute plague when wanting to enjoy male ryona.
It has to be some internalized misogyny, as if any men feeling emotional pain must be secretly a women. It's so gross.
No. 1995048
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>>1991601I could say your defending shit like picrel, cause we have a large group of fandom-rotten retards who genuinely believe that sexuality and sexual organs are just something you can swap or remove. This starts off with fictional characters but eventually leads to real life, usually their own. But again sexuality remains innate, so even in their bizarreo creations, they end up recreating some form of
toxic heterosexuality.
No. 1995104
>>1995094This, millennials did the same tbh
>>1995095You have to post it now
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>>1995083but isn't that sorta the point? it's meant to specifically piss-off certain men but you are correct, at the end of the day it doesn't change the fact that bdsm/kink is "cringe" and the people who engane it never realise how lame they come across, cause they are lame and a lot times it's just porn-addiction.
>>1995586what's the age of most of these characters?
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>>1996301KEK this has to be bait
No. 1996371
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>>1988629You don't apreciate true love.
No. 1996382
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Yugo and aki from silver spoon is another cute het ship. Mutual crush and mutually supportive.
No. 1996797
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>>1996790hetfags have been crying because anons dont like their bland ships since this thread was created. I dont understand why they get so pissed off anons dont like their ship of white bread-chan and water-kun.
(infighting bait) No. 1996845
>>1996822you clearly havent read it
>>1996826please point me out to where fujos had this level of meltdown
>>1991959 over anons not liking a yaoi ship
No. 1996848
>>1996777I hope you’re not implying that shit doesn’t go the opposite way too. I’d also like to know why fujos/yumes seethe over canon ships and claim the girl is
abusive over cartoon violence while also mischaracterizing them to be even worse while ignoring the same behaviour from their fujo ship but I think we all know why.
No. 1996858
maybe I'm just not on the same parts of fandom internet as you guys but stuff like
>>1996797 >>1996808
>>1996848 reads like you're making up an imaginary person to get mad at. or maybe you hate-follow one person with the worst takes possible. like what are you even talking about
No. 1996865
>>1996862do you have anything similar but better to rec? its like you dont understand manga/anime with het ships is completly fucking shit that anything that isnt school girl blushing at her
abusive senpai is a massive improvement
(fujosperging) No. 1996885
>>1996858I’d like to be in the same bubble as you then. I still read fanfics from time to time on a03 and one had a pairing I liked tagged but it was full of the shit I described with short essays of comments that actually believe it’s
abusive while willfully ignoring the same (and worse) actions of the male characters towards each other. It’s just sad to see honestly, they could just ship what they like instead of making up moral justifications like that.
No. 1996892
>>1996865I don't rec stuff I'm genuinely invested in for the obvious reasons.
Maybe your bar is low or I'm good at looking for stuff, idk.
No. 1996919
>>1996904No, we can't do that.
>The reason I like men fucking other men isn't because it gets me off but because it's the superior feminist media that allows women to explore darker concepts without the presence of women being subjected to the male gaze through the nuanced lenses of a woman's perspective. It's far better unlike that disgusting moid worshipping het for pickmes.>The reason I like hot men fucking women isn't because it gets me off but because it's the superior feminist media that allows women to explore and be in control of darker subjects without the presence of the male gaze through the nuanced lenses of a woman's perspective. It's far better unlike that disgusting moid worshipping yaoi for faghags.It's two sides of the same unaware coin.
No. 1997071
>>1996939god forbid the femme fatales and buxom ditzes and innocent waifs and [offensive female caricature] get shat on. how crazy that it's happening on a site full of women who have either peaked or are getting there. be serious
>>1996919yeah sure, calling bl feminism is dumb but surely you understand that you can't ever really have het content that isn't somewhat male gaze.
>b-but muh male ryona….?!yeah that's definitely representative of hetero content and you're totally actually interested in that. anyway
het content for women is also
largely indistinguishable from het content for men unless you're strictly talking porn. and even then i've seen some male-tier coom shit from yumes (see everything nyantcha draws) – no hate of course, it's just cringe and boring to me. even outside of outright porn though, like, hetshippers on this very site will discuss their ships and be like "oh my god what if this female character married this guy and had his babies?!" and it's just so dumb and lame kek. it's virtually what a male would say, "what if my waifu had [my] babies?!" nobody gaf except to point out how dull it all is
No. 1997076
>>1997071like i'd say even a bland bl/gl ship is better because i can see it and not also see the white bread hetty betty nigel someone definitely wants to have irl/the white bread hetty betty waifu someone definitely wants to have irl
>>19970723dpd scrotes make me gag
No. 1997083
>>1997071At one point it stops being peaked and starts just being obnoxious for the sake of contrarianism.
I'm a fujo but this stupid "no good female character because da scrotes are watching" bullshit is just annoying.
No. 1997088
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>>1997071I can't even say anything anymore to you people who's misplaced feminism prevents them from even enjoying silly cartoon characters, I can only pity you. And for the record I'm a hardcore fujoshi so don't try to call me a hetshitter or whatever retarded insult you use. I hope you heal someday.
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>>1997072Not involved in this discussion but while I agree in theory, I personally can't stand watching 99% of 3dpd romance because of the mental scars picrel show has inflicted on me, its just retarded and annoying to me now.
No. 1997104
>>1997088nah ahiru isn't an offensive female archetype, she's a very well-realized character in a well-written and interesting, one of a kind show meant for young girls, and it's disingenuous to even post her in response to that. maybe if this had been orihime or nobara or the fruit's basket mc or something. hell i'm sure you yourself understand 99% of het content isn't even slightly as interesting as princess tutu
most lc yumes aren't thinking of characters like her anyway. they literally posted their ships and shit above, most of is generic boy meets girl nonsense
No. 1997108
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>>1997104She's well-written and also has naked scenes and the weird panty shot in the OP. Is she not also "coombait" for scrotes? And if you want moidier female characters I like, here.
No. 1997115
>>1997108>weird panty shotdo you…do you mean her leotard? like regular ballerinas wear? it's been some time since i last saw princess tutu, but i don't recall and sexual panty shots of the character
>has naked scenesnudity in japan is often associated with purity and rebirth, which makes sense in the context of mahou shojo, where girls are being reborn into warriors and heroes. like i said, you're being disingenuous. there also aren't any men in love live so i don't understand why you're posting nico kek?
>>1997112cope
No. 1997122
>>1997115>>1997119Ntayrt but it's amazing that this thought process is here now as if nitpicking shit like magical girl nudity and calling the whole genre pedo adjacent wasn't a thing.
Anyway, as far as characters normally not liked here goes I actually grew to really like Marcille, usually characters like that have their problems be their entire identity.
No. 1997133
>>1997108>>1997127Nta but this isn't the gotcha you think it is, it's literally just a normal shot no one would pay much mind to unless they're looking for things to get
triggered about. I've also never met a scrote who even found the Tutu girls attractive at all even if they probably still exist somewhere out there, which is saying something when most fandoms for anime with female characters are usually full of them. Almost all fans of it I've met are instead either women who think Fakir is hot or men who watched it because they heard it's a classic, not really out of wanting to coom since it isn't known for that at all
No. 1997142
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>>1997124it's hetero content. the female mc will always carry that edge of "a girl guys would like". that makes it male gaze, even if unintentional, even if only a little. i've seen men get off to usagi, tohru, sakura, comment on how sexy and appealing the female m/c designs were for random one off visual novels, seen female m/c designs and read "female gaze" plots that were basically the same as male gaze shit because those characters are designed to be in straight romances + be plausibly attractive to men.
i'm not saying fictional men are real men in any way, but if an mc is described as a "cute girl" you must understand that the designer isn't pulling the idea of a cute girl from a hat, they're getting that from male opinions. this is what i mean, you can't really extricate heterosexuality from itself
>>1997126>Most anons itt who dislike het ships dislike the super basic bland dynamic of cute girl x stoic guyexactly, but 99% of het ships are just this. boy meets girl. there's no depth to it, they're male/female so they fall in love. maybe there's some plot bullshit surrounding them but that's the crux of it. most women just want to be that bland, attractive girl men scoop up and fawn over. they want the male gaze
No. 1997146
>>1997138Doesn't negate my point since I mentioned they probably still exist somewhere out there, it's just that basically Tutu isn't really a show associated with male coomers and cooming in general, it just feels like a stretch and retarded to target it specifically
>>1997141kek
No. 1997152
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>>1997133Yes, sure, showing a little girl fully naked was completely innocent on part of the adult creators and it's actually super artistic and I'm the crazy one for pointing out that it's weird.
>>1997134Not your boogeyman
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did you know if you like sailor moon, you have moidy taste? They're designed to be pretty and pretty women are only appealing to moids. And scrotes love jerking off to the parts where they become naked silhouettes and transform too. Plus look at how short their skirts are, pure coomshit
No. 1997160
>>1997152this gif just proves you wrong because if it was something like say, monogatari, they'd have zoomed in on her body, do close ups and put her in weird poses, make that the entire focus, but instead it's an unsexualized chibified version of her with barely any features or detail
>>1997156lmfao
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>>1997172Watch out nona here's some X-rated coom central content coming up
No. 1997193
>>1997183>At this point, if you make or like female characters with any male character in any media in anyway no, good female mcs (in hetero romances) exist. ohshc haruhi was great, for example – that type of straightforward tomboy doesn't really exist in male media or fantasy and is so divorced from mainstream ideas towards ((heterosexuality)) that she's essentially removed from the male gaze. youko from 12 kingdoms was also great.
>>1997187no argument i see
No. 1997217
>>1997192sure. but how do they form these opinions? what sort of culture do they live in? humans are influenced by their environment. idk if or why that's surprising or deniable. the current trend in my country is buxom, tanned women with fat asses and "full face beats", and so you have girls as young as 13 making makeup videos on tiktok where they darken their skin and adopt drag queen esque faces. i guess they just like, decided that on their own, totally? makes sense to me
>>1997204i never said i hated usagi, i just said she's male-gazy
No. 1997259
>>1997253Send hate mail to the sailor moon creator and tell her to burn her original drawings and redraw everything for you. Idk, I also would like to see Sentai girls fighting in full armor, but why do you care so much if the author decided to draw something that was more appealing
to her?
No. 1997261
>>1997244I like to believe that Sailor Moon's creator had enough intelligence and agency to have her own likes and could determine what is "cute".
I think cats wearing tiny hats are cute. Is that because of men too?
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this current topic is so fucking stupid you guys. scrotes will scrote no matter what, everyone but feministAnalysis101chan knows this. anyway one of my favorite characters of all time is Nico Robin from One Piece, the coombait weebshit show where all the female characters store their organs in their boobs. despite Oda's misogyny shittening the work's quality, I can use my huge brain to take the parts of the work I value and find meaning in it to appreciate. I love that Robin is an archeologist who overcame her incredibly traumatic childhood where she saw everyone she loved die in front of her eyes when she was 8 and later found the strength to have new hopes and dreams in life. She's also a beast of a fighter and I love it when she uses her powers to make body horror. I love her forever and hope that she has one of the happiest epilogues of the show when One Piece ends.
No. 1997276
>>1997251i'm not saying she did it in the name of the male gaze, but to deny it's there is dumb
>>1997265she's a big tiddy mommy bait character with a shitty melodramatic past meant to make her vulnerable enough for men
No. 1997283
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>>1997276if you refuse to enjoy anything by citing moral purity, what does that leave you lmao. this big titty melodrama character showed more personality and depth in the first 10 chapters of her appearance than your entire derail here. name 5 medias you liked
No. 1997290
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imagine defending this guy, kek. He clearly doesnt see women as human.
No. 1997297
>>1997282>if there are men who coom to a female character that means she's badis putting words in my mouth the only way you can have an argument? all i'm saying is that women are influenced by male gaze when they make female characters, everyone is, that's just a symptom of living under patriarchy. yume/yncel fiction is absolutely influenced by male gaze, as they're modeled after…you guessed it…hetero relationships. i also gave examples of good female characters itt
>>1997193 >>1997104
>>1997283i'm not going off of "moral purity," i just think one piece is trash and i'm pretty sure the mangaka wanted to make her waifub8 with seasonings
No. 1997301
>>1997289So you get Japanese men like Oda to improve by… complaining about it on lolcow?
I don't think the majority of weebs here even pay for most of the shit they do like.
No. 1997305
>>1997104Was Tutu even meant for young girls? To me it came across as a show that was meant for an older audience but can be enjoyed by teenage viewers as well.
Maybe that's just because it's a lot better produced and written than most mahou shoujo though.
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hell i actually enjoy hyper-sexualized, hyper feminine, hyper "female" female characters, i consume moidy content on the regular, i'm just not going to lie and claim "i-it's not at all influenced by male opinions guise durr women just love the color pink and spinny skirts they pop out of the womb liking this stuff aaaiiiieee!1" like some of the tardlets itt. not trying to moralfag, i just want the spade to be called a spade
>>1997305i consider anyone under 18 a young girl
No. 1997318
>>1997301It's more than obvious that anons on lolcow are actually more critical of media they like than the average fandomtard and yet they receive so much scrutiny
>>1997314Go tell the creators to make it, you don't lose anything. Do it for the team
No. 1997319
>>1997309Is it really that impossible to comprehend that some women just have bad fucking taste?
Sailor Moon's author likes skirts. Just maybe, it's not because of men. Maybe she's just weird. You might think she'd have to be off in the head to like something like skirts, but it is possible.
No. 1997330
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>>1997327Same goes for male characters, barafags coom to the ugliest fuckers imaginable.
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>>1997333And do you really think characters like Ahiru were meant to be appealing to moids? No, they're just meant to look cute for women.
No. 1997342
>>1997332second anon feels like they're trying to troll or otherwise mirror my points in thinnest way possible
>>1997333they are. male/female gaze doesn't always need to be sexual, plenty of those guys are furry bait or "cool guy i want to be" bait
No. 1997345
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>>1997340Maybe a little bit, even then it comes off in a more 'coquette' kind of way to me.
No. 1997349
>>1997325>>1997319if you grew up in like, ancient japan, you'd find kimonos cute, you'd probably think skirts looked weird. i really do not understand how saying
>our biases are constructed from the world we grow up inis this crazy to comprehend? why don't you get it? you don't have an original thought, nobody does. you can (supposedly) not care about men all you want but you exist in a world where men rule so their influence extends to you regardless
No. 1997355
>>1997349I like to think women are capable of having an original thought or two.
I can also imagine women that wore kimonos, some of them liked skirts too.
No. 1997366
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>coombait vs "well written" female characters
meanwhile, in reality:
No. 1997367
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>>1997358me with Morrigan.
No. 1997369
>>1997355This
>>1997356This. To ignore that men still create shit to degrade and humiliatie women and characters they don't like is to ignore internet feminism 101
No. 1997379
>>1997362>>1997365I'm not making a thread, I was just wondering.
How many thread spin offs had this had? Four?
No. 1997384
>>1997372everyone understands the points you're yelling, you're ignoring us telling you we understand and like media with faults anyway for personal reasons.
for someone who hates coom and moidgaze so much, you sure center them in your mind to the point it crowds out actual human interaction
No. 1997386
>>1997378>the quote about patriarchy and the male gaze being inescapable disputes/spites my points on patriarchy/the male gaze being….inescapable so you
are especially retarded, got it
>>1997384>you're ignoring us telling you we understand and like media with faults anyway for personal reasonsnot the point these types of anons were making, which is who i was primarily yelling at, but alright
>>1997261. i even said myself that i enjoyed coom and moidgaze content. i just recognize it as that. it feels like i'm arguing against people who entered the conversation late and haven't bothered to back read
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another good quote that puts into perspective how all yume/yn content is ultimately a little male gazey
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>>1997358Ryoko was a childhood crush
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>>1997406I feel like the 90s had the ugliest self insert protagonists, at least modern ones are mildly cute.
No. 1997416
>>1997401my point in posting
>>1997366 was to say that even the most well written, nonsexulaized female character is
some mans fantasy. no amount of "it wasnt intended to appeal to men" will change that, so trying to act high and mighty about ~well written female characters~ is pointless
No. 1997426
>>1997358Zoomers will say that he's too heckin wholesome and cute but I don't care and he's cute as a man or
woman.
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>>1997416>no amount of "it wasnt intended to appeal to men" will change thatyou're right. where did i say it would? pretty sure i just gave an example of a female character that isn't exactly popular with men as an archetype
or as herself. the few pieces of haruhi porn i've seen are usually off model or extremely ooc, to the point of being an oc. mainstream heterosexuality isn't normally cool-headed girl x flouncy frilly boy anyway
>so trying to act high and mighty about ~well written female characters~ is pointlesswhere did i act high and mighty? at no point have i said anyone is in the wrong for enjoying what they like, i just said it was cringe to me and (vaguely) male gaze. which it is
No. 1997439
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>>1997415I do think harem leads have gotten cuter. Even "ugly" ones have a "btw he's actually kind of cute and fit just slightly unconventional and insecure" added in.
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>>1997442>>1997446Male lead of 100 Girlfriends, a harem comedy lol.
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>>1997448How fucking dare you
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>>1997475>He's an uggo Rude and untrue.
>crossdressing is for moidsYou are not actually a fujo.
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>>1997480>(him being a filthy otaku)The fuck are you talking about smelly otaku ukes are the best ukes.
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>>1997439Pic related is supposed to be the ugly man around
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Honestly the talk about Hestia reminded me of the mc of it. Still don't know what's up with that show.
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I cannot even put into words how much I want to kill this retard just from seeing the thumbnail.
Imagine being a GROWN MAN in your 30s and getting excited over a show that is literally just 14 year old girls molesting each other and doing disgusting fetish shit. Coomers have no shame anymore bc of all this anti kinkshaming sex positive bullshit. We need to start mailing envelopes full of anthrax to them
No. 1997684
>>1997677NTA but it totally would there was tonnes of heavy ecchi anime back in the 00s
>Highschool DxD>Highschool of the Dead>To Luv You>Strike WitchesThe creepy shit has always been there but since anime is more mainstream I'm surprised that this is popular with the mainstream crowd. Back then it was just weebs.
Onimai however I think is only getting a push in the west because of troons wanting to be little girls.
No. 1997725
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So this is interesting: the most "alpha" tagged character on a03 sites is a BTS member (by a huge margin), followed by bakugo, then other BTS members and misc related popular fandom characters
No. 1997746
>>1997653Every moid weeb I know watched this series and they simultaneously get mad if I call them a coomer which is hilarious. Like how do you watch coomslop like this and not realize that's what you are. I can watch shows with fanservice at times but a show like this where the premise and designs just appeal to coomers instantly repels me
>>1997743Yeah they'll call you a prude and say teens are "puriteens" if they dislike it, at least before people were aware it was degenerate and didn't act like it's normal
No. 1997765
>>1997661This, ecchi has always been a thing. If anything, nowadays it's actually fairly lenient compared to how things used to be. I'm guessing since anime is so mainstream now instead of being hidden in "just for people who like anime enough to find it", more people find series like this.
Iirc the show actually does have a plot of a magical girl battle shounen hidden behind the coom, same as other recent ecchi.
No. 1997897
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>>1997340>takeuchi is a cocksucking trannyloverWhat the hell are you talking about kek, if this is about the starlights, they were originally just female crossdressers. The anime was the one who made them shapeshift between male and female
No. 1997911
>>1997897Just replying to you nona, this isn't aimed at you.
I don't feel like finding it right now, sorry, but there's a page in the Starlight's arc where Seiya, I believe (black haired one) laments because he likes Usagi but she'll never love "him" back because he's not "a complete man"/"a real man". This has been a point of contention in moonie spheres since the 90s like you'd said. People sometimes trans wash them and I can see why, but it's stated pretty explicitly in the manga that they're not men and don't feel like men. "He" is only sad about not being a man because he's in love with Usagi and as far as he knows, she's a straight girl in love with Tux mask. As usual, people have a lot to say about an old series with an EXTREMELY detailed and well documented history and an extremely informational fan base.
No. 1997927
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>>1997813>>1997882Totally, isn't it just great to indulge in the fantasy of a world where a certain group of humans, who have the ability to become pregnant are marked for oppression? And of course, they are always smaller and weaker compared to the other group of humans. Can you even imagine a world like that?
and don't worry, for the solution to any thoughts that your getting off to a misogynistic fantasy lies in simply using male pronouns for these feeble creatures. like picrel is not heterosexual at all.
(sperging outside of containment) No. 1997943
>>1997725>>1997937I was told that as well, but
>>1997725 shows that he's the second "alpha" tagged character
No. 1998009
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>>1997677>Dragon maid would have never become that popular with older generationsDid you just forget shows like Kodomo no jikan, Mitsudomoe, Moetan were made in the 2000s and all reasonably successful? And those are pure loli shows since
>>1997684 mentioned ones with not exclusively lolis.
No. 1998044
>>1997653>70s-90sAll mahou shoujo for adults was hentai parodies
>2000sAll mahou shoujo for adults was hentai parodies or Nanoha
>2010sAll mahou shoujo for adults were Madoka knock offs
>2020sWe're back at 70s to 90s
No. 1998050
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>they werent mainstream
Moetan was popular enough to get over 70 figures
>4chan moids and japanese otaku care about those anime
Japanese otaku are literally the majority of people who watch anime though.
>They were never on the same level as bnha or naruto or generic shonenshit like dragon maid was.
This never happened, Dragon maid was popular yeah but it wasn't popular on the level of shounen trash.
No. 1998052
>>1998045>Literally only animecore kiddies, 4chan moids and japanese otaku care about those animeThat was anime in general back then.
MHA btw was ten years later, not assed enough to look it up but it started around 2012-14.
No. 1998061
>>1998053I do feel like discussion outside of coom has become harder to do due to how mainstream anime is now.
Normalfags think anime has nothing to offer outside coom and cowboy bebop and look down on it.
No. 1998068
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>>1998061>Normalfags think anime has nothing to offer outside coom and cowboy bebop and look down on it.Well those are normalfags, and in a way there is a point to be made that it's a lot harder to introduce anime to normies because of how horny it is but who cares about normies anyway).
Personally when there's at least some shows for women coming out I'm more accepting of horny moidshit but the issue is that shows for women are getting more and more rare every season and when they do get anime adaptations they're unsubtle breeding propaganda.
No. 1998075
>>1998053>>1998056i've been an anime fan for a while and interacted with a bunch of weebs and i definitely feel like it's worse, at least before moids could somewhat grasp that since i'm a woman i won't find that shit amusing and wont share sexual stuff myself but now since being hypersexualized and OF is seen as epic and empowering and a "feminist" thing, it's like they act like if i don't want to share my fetishes online or show any disdain towards hypersexualization, fanservice etc i'm actually a conservative which I didn't use to experience before. they also make the argument that you're kinkshaming them unironically and see it as morally "bad" to say something is degenerate or gross or to keep it to yourself while before I feel like there was more of an understanding that they're degenerates and they just admitted that. nowadays even normier weebs (i'm talking ones who only watched like 100 anime) will tell me about their retarded fetishes and doujin tags and yeah, not ever keep it to themselves in these communities. then they get surprised why women don't want to be around them or why they don't have a gf which i find funny when they're literally repelling every woman in the vicinity by doing this shit and don't even seem to realize it due to how normalized it's become
>>1998060blue archive has more than just lolis since there's also a bunch of big boob characters and everything inbetween but yeah it's definitely known for that
No. 1998079
>>1998073Meh, sounds boring.
I usually need some plot in my horny.
No. 1998085
>>1998077>another free, yuri on ich or haikyuu>I never got into all three of these showsNot really a sportsfag I guess.
>>1998082Get well soon nonna!
No. 1998118
>>1998110Isami is type you either get or you don't tbh. His look compliments the "I don't want to get in the gay robot nooooo"
I forgot, but there's also the "tried to be for women but got ignored shows" every season like Bucchigiri, High Card, this season with Wind Breaker, the Baseball anime nobody is watching, etc.
No. 1998131
>>1998121The backgrounds were very pretty.
Don't regret watching it for that style tbh.
No. 1998273
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So this is a more subjective question, but what are your thoughts on localizing southern japanese dialects to southern american English accents in the dubbed versions? Like it was really common trend from the 90s up to the mid-2010s, but it seems to have mostly because of the changes in the dubbing industry.
No. 1998294
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>>1997358There’s a 4chan /co/ pic that’s like “i got away with child abuse” she’s really funny
No. 1998295
>>1998273I don't usually watch dubs but imo sometimes a character speaking with a specific accent is a plot point so they kind of have to do something for it.
It's more annoying with manga and novels because sometimes the accents come and go suddenly or da' idea o' a' accent issa' buncha commas.
No. 1998327
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>>1998324I like how the guideline is pretty much "as long as a dick doesn't go in a butt, you're good to go".
No. 1998347
>>1998324I literally just said some shit about this in the fujo debate thread lmao
>>1998338 I agree with
>>1998337 because porn has rotted people’s brains so now they think that lesbian stuff is 100% ok even when it’s clearly done with some creep’s fetish in mind but if you’re into gay/bi Guy stuff you’re now labeled as a freak kek
No. 1998369
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>>1998324who is she to tell women what they should and shouldnt read
No. 1998372
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>>1998369le cuntboy (this is actually a different person but her calling herself a cuntboy put my fucking sides into orbit)
No. 1998387
>>1998372>they are infinitely more transphobic.Ah, i wish this was true. Instead almost all yaoi spaces/communities are filled with some of the worst tifs.
Tif's have literally made mainstream BL communities unbearable to be around because all they do is cause drama, fights, arguments, try to bully others etc.
Personally i wouldn't care that tifs were in the BL community if they stopped being instigators and behaved normally like other readers do but they are control-freaks that always need to be the center of attention, whenever i see someone being rude or starting a argument it always ends up being a tif.
They also take BL stories too seriously and send literal death threats to people who like red-flag
toxic yaoi. They are so snarky in general too and will start fights over something as silly as someone not giving them a link to a story they want to read.
No. 1998394
>>1998389At this point it must be some self-induced schizophrenia because BL spaces are literally flooded with Tifs , yet they still have to create some weird boogeyman.
>>1998388They change their stance every three months.
No. 1998724
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>>1998324>>1998327girlies i think they're trolling if you look at the linked twitter
No. 1998779
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>>1997358Picrel is my waifu but i really wish she wasn't. I really wish she was in a better anime
>>1997367This is pretty reasonable ngl, it's obviously coom but it's a pretty iconic design and i wouldn't be surprised if a woman liked it in the same vein of liking ivy from soul calibur (although her prince is 1000x better). In fact i like it myself
No. 1998980
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>>1997358whenever i like a female character i just think how much cuter she would have been as a boy, i am sorry anons
No. 1998998
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>>1997358She's from the meme hentai game series that spans decades of plot-heavy games but honestly she's cute and I think she's hilarious even if I just watched the anime out of curiosity.
No. 1999000
>>1998991i had no idea there were figures. I want a figma now.
>>1998992i am sorry, i am straight
>>1998994she has a cute design and i like her unique personality. BA has some pretty cute designs
that would make for some cute r63 husbandos No. 1999007
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>>1998980Sometimes I wonder if popular female characters would be as popular if they were genderbent or if they wouldn't work out.
Like pic related, how would that work? He'd be basically beating a woman to death onscreen.
No. 1999012
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>>1997439Imo Haruhiko is the best looking harem's protagonist, everyone looks beautiful when drawn bu kyoto animation
No. 1999013
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>>1999007Adachi killed multiple women on screen and he's popular with women.
No. 1999031
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>>1998998Honestly female characters from old ass hentai just hit different, they're always sassy and fun instead of brainless sex dolls. As a baby teenage lesbian I was all over them.
No. 1999081
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>>1999007Always thought how peak would be fem Sasuke, Sakura-kun would top husbando, cute devoted male healers are rare af
No. 1999123
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>>1999092Why do you care? Most of the figures they hoard are either moidshit (especially sonico) or ugly shit (pic) anyway.
No. 1999125
>>1999124>I like moidshitFrankly it like you’re just complaining about people who are exactly the same as you then,
nonnie.
No. 1999130
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>>1998998Sill is adorable. Rance in general has a lot of cute or otherwise well designed female characters but at the end of the day, it's still rance. Also for every genuinely cute design there's at least 5 disgusting ones
No. 1999131
>>1999118He was so popular with the female staff that he got added into ultimax and given a redemption arc
Also there’s no shortage of Adachi x Yu doujins (obviously Yu x Yosuke is forever most popular though)
No. 1999136
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>>1998980I would fucking love picrel if she were a male. Idk if you were one of the nonnies lamenting about the fact there will never be a male blue archive but let's hope our dreams come true some day
No. 1999137
>>1999136i am the anon that likes to draw them as r63. I haven't done r63 mutsuki yet, i will draw him for you
nonny.
No. 1999138
>>1999133I don’t buy coomer figures of women and it’s not like they’re hard to find, bunny girl and cast off figures are constantly getting BIN’d because they’re overproduced as fuck.
Besides I always find it hard to believe anti animecore types who claim they’re ’OH SO INTO THE SOURCE MATERIAL’ most of the popular animecore shit like toheart is only now getting fan translations (which are unfinished currently) and I find it kind of hard to buy that every ‘totally not animecore animecore girl’ knows runes.
No. 1999145
>>1999141And? Do you really think most animecore people aren’t also secondaries who only watch the anime adaptation kek.
If you really want to buy your fugly multi figures than go ahead anon, but it’s pretty stupid to pretend you’re not also an animecore girl buying figures off of Depop that some other animecore girl got front a yahoo auctions junk lot.
No. 1999148
>>1999139I will post it in the rate your art thread on /m/. I would love to see your art too,
nonny.
No. 1999151
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>>1997358astolfo will always be cute to me. i like genki retards
No. 1999163
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>>1999148For sure! I'll post them after they're finished since i'm super critical about my own art, pic unrelated i just really like this drawing.
>>1999152I think there are multiple of us kek. We will never get trashy cbdct fanservice otakushop for women and it's fucked up, but we can't give up yet.
>>1999160Completely agree
No. 1999197
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>>1999192All I'm saying is they'd all eat their granny for a Mayura figure
No. 1999208
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>>1999205>it's like the weeb version of buying a shirt for a band you don't really listen to because you just liked the look of itI really don't get why this is such a big deal. They only really annoy me when they do shit like collect Kodomo no jikan figures and then complain about loli.
No. 1999212
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>>1999208Ngl I actually feel a bit bad wanting to make my phone wallpaper pokemon despite not playing it since pearl/diamond and not watching it past hoenn
No. 1999234
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Honestly though another thing that annoys me is how hard people overexaggerate the price scalping, you can still easily find animecore crap for under 1000 yen.
No. 1999238
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>>1999236>toheart>not popular with animecore girlsOk now I know you're just coping kek.
No. 2000286
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>>2000144its a psyop. just delete twitter and block troons on sight and Astolfo will retain his purity. Dont let trannies destroy good things anymore.