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No. 2220128

This thread is dedicated to all and any fandom discourse. Global rules apply: don't infight, report and ignore bait, etc.

Current topics include, but are not limited to:
> Proshipping vs Antishipping
> Ao3 Censorship and TOS
> Slapfights between slash, femslash, and het shippers
> Carrds, DNIs and Call-out Threads
> Whitewashed/blackwashed/colorist fanart drama
> ‘[Insert Sexuality/Gender]-Coded’ Characters
> Debates over death of the author
> Stalking/harassment experienced by actors/creators

Related threads:

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>>1978406

Fujocoomer cringe:
>>1959358

Previous:
>>2197306

No. 2220138

Wtf is this threadpic

No. 2220139

>>2220111
community feature 3rd post. Kiwifarms turned into twitter 2 lately, they will defend everyone they like against the same accusations they will label someone they dont like(who always has opposing political beliefs) the worst thing ever.

>>2220123
they defended the pokemon feet pedo and also defended they oneyplay guys despite associating with shadman. They are massive hypocrites. The guy they are WK in the post i linked said the Epstein victims were willing, too.

No. 2220140

My first thought of the thread's pic was that Rebecca is specifically a drawn version of Rebecca Sugar as a reference to the fact that she was a huge fan of Invader Zim and tried to talk to Jhonen Vasquez as a fan.

No. 2220143

>>2220140
its drawn by her she's always been a massive sperg

No. 2220159

>>2220139
>community feature 3rd post.
>its a troon pedo moid
…you know there are more better examples you couldve chosen, moids who like madoka or homura always tend to be degenerates

No. 2220167

>>2220159
i wasnt defending the moid though, just posting an example of kiwifags using the same tactics twittertroons use to discredit someone they dislike. They are also defending richard stallman who said the epstein victims were willing and said ''voluntary'' pedophilia doesnt hurt children

No. 2220176

>>2220175
when did i defend him? literally where.

No. 2220178

>>2220167
> just posting an example of kiwifags using the same tactics twittertroons use to discredit someone they dislike.
>i wasnt defending the moid though,
..sure, i dont care if the same tactics troons use is used against them if this was a actual woman i wouldve given a fuck about but its moid on moid war

No. 2220187

>>2220178
but they literally only use it on moids they dislike, thats my whole point. They defended oneyplay despite having strong ties to shadman to they point they lived with him for a while, just like how twittertroons tried to defend the mr beast troon. Now they are trying to use this random moid posting swimsuit art of madoka to discredit his letter calling Richard Stallman a pedophile, even thought richard stallman has defended actual pedophilia before. twittertroons and kiwifags are the same shit.

No. 2220203

>>2220187
who cares if moids have chimp wars

No. 2220208

People in general have been complaining about absolutely nothing when it comes to anime since it became mainstream, tbf.

No. 2220212

>>2220203
so you are okay with moids defending pedo moids as long as they like them? ok

No. 2220228

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>>2220212
tayrt its understandable that your pedo troon bootlicking got caught but the reverse wont work on me faggot.

No. 2220236

>>2220228
I genuinely dont understand why you are so pissed off at me pointing out kiwifags double standards. I didnt even know who the fuck that faggot was nor i care, i was just pointing out the hypocrisy of kiwifags using some moids posts to discredit his callout for a pedo moid they like just like twittertroons do by calling everyone that calls out one of their own twansphobic.

No. 2220304

>>2220104
>openly pedophile userbase like kf with an owner that used to jack it to shota and run an ib with a pedophile board
Null was (is) a shotacon? What the fuck did I miss? When did this happen and can anyone show receipts? I've heard many things about him but this isn't one of them.

No. 2220320

>>2220304
Doesn't null hate weebs and animu with a burning passion? How could he possibly a shotacon let alone a pedophile? Now the userbase, I won't put if past you most of the users there could be lolcows in and of themselves.

No. 2220322

>>2220320
>>2220304
I'm not going back on KF to find it but I distinctly remember one user who had a shota-esque avatar (it was cropped art of lil anime boys kneeling half naked in a shower) and no one ever commented on it. Plus they had a VTuber thread which was filled with not-so-subtle whiteknighting.

No. 2220324

>>2220322
That doesn't make him a shotacon

No. 2220340

>>2220138
hilarious

No. 2220352

>>2220128
this threadpic is so funny and retarded

No. 2220353

>>2220322
>it was cropped art of lil anime boys kneeling half naked in a shower
If that's the same avatar I'm thinking of (children kneeling with their hands behind their backs, their heads turning to look at the viewer), that was commissioned art found at the estate of an alleged pedo (unfortunately can't remember the name). I think it might've been a Pizzagate thing? It is an extremely creepy painting.

No. 2220371

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>>2220128
>>2220352
Oh my god, it was drawn by Rebecca Sugar (creator of steven universe) because she had a crush on Dib. That's supposed to be her, fucking kek. How did I miss this

No. 2220374

>>2220353
That sounds like the exact one. Very creepy to say the least.

No. 2220375

>>2220371
Absolutely based yume autism kek

No. 2220537

Why are chinese fanfictions a bit deranged on ao3? I don’t have anything against it, but whats the reason for male characters always getting raped and tortured compared to english ones?

No. 2220557

>>2220304
>Null was (is) a shotacon
It's years old but it's from some screenshot where he says he likes shota carboys

No. 2220564

>>2220537
never read one, now i’m curious. i wonder is this a particular fandom / character thing?

No. 2220572

>>2220537
Apparently ao3 is known to chinese fandoms as being for yaoi porn lmao. They post the normal fic on cn sites or ffn

No. 2220575

>>2220537
>>2220572
CN fandom is single handedly responsible for 80% of explicit fics in all my fandoms, it's crazy.

No. 2220585

>>2220557
>Carboys
KACHOW

No. 2220602

>>2220353
Now I'm morbidly curious, who's the name of the KF user with the avatar?
>>2220557
Why do moids always have pedophilic tendencies toward young boys?

No. 2220617

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>>2220602
I think they're referring to this user

No. 2220620

>>2220353
>>2220617
yeah thats a painting from the pod3sta's art collection

No. 2220657

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>>2220322
KF allows users like this, too. This guy had only positive ratings btw. I remember back when the chuggaconrroy(pedo footfag pokemon youtuber) drama happened his thread was filled with pedo apologists that WK him despite talking about his foot fetish with a 15yo.

No. 2220659

>>2220657
>Women have to be virgins
>But men get to be used up whores! It's only natural!

No. 2220694

>>2220657
guys it's not statutory rape if the parents are ok with it!

No. 2220707

>>2220657
The second one is just straight up ripped from porn. What 18 year old is getting gangbanged?

No. 2220719

>>2220617
Oh, I thought it was just highly stylized shota art but this grosses me out, clearly made by a nambla associate. Also ofc the poster is a pedomoid, god I hate faggots.

No. 2220789

the mere concept of anyone in a show like IZ sexy-slave-Leia-ing another character/self-insert oc is so fucking funny, I love it kek

No. 2220802

>>2220617
Who the fuck is Chris?

No. 2220804

>>2220789
oh anon you had to been there when the fandom was at its peak

No. 2220805

>>2220802
Chris as in Chris-chan.

No. 2220806


No. 2220807

>>2220707
Men consume so much porn from such a young age that, combined with their inherent male retardation, they think porn depicts real life. This is especially common in incels such as the denizens of kf and lolbertarian scrotes in general

No. 2220817

>>2220657
I'm sleep deprived so I read the second scenario as an older woman trying to get an 18 year old boy gangbanged by his teammates KEK

No. 2220818

>>2220657
The fact these retards are on a lolcow site and still don't think pedos have used this exact "but what if we're in LOVE?!" excuse millions of times just proves men are inherently sub IQ.

No. 2220821

>>2220657
Men are so fucking dramatic kek. This post embodies the energy of flouncing up the stairs to his bedroom and screaming "UGH YOU FEMALES NEVER LET ME DO ANYTHING!!! I HATE THIS PLACE!!!!" Before slamming the door and blasting Green Day while he curls up on his bed and chokes back angry sobs.

No. 2220913

>>2220657
>it's fine when we do it
I hate moids so much it feels unreal sometimes.

No. 2220966

>>2220657
>26 and 16 year old getting together and framed in a wholesome light
>weird porn story about an 18 year old getting gangbanged

LUL moids have the shittiest fanfics.

No. 2220973

>>2220821
hey hey hey hey hey, Green Day can be nice. If you wanna roast a moid for listening to music, just call him a Cannibal Corpse fan.

No. 2221119

>>2220804
ayrt oh I was, it baffled me then because I was too young/autistic to really get the more… transformative side of fandom creations kek, but now it's kind of charmingly deranged to look back on. This being how Sugar chose to self-insert only makes it better lmao

No. 2221249

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No. 2221265

>>2221249
Wait, he's asking us to consider which scenario he'd prefer our daughters to be in, and he clearly favours the first one where a 16 year old is essentially sold to an older man…does that mean he would sell his own teenage kids into marriage? Would he "approve" if some old scrotal suiter came sniffing around his daughters?

No. 2221384

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And this is supposed to be “look how cool, quirky, and horny” tumblr is. I just find it lame
Where do you go if you want to talk about the thing you like? Honest question?

I know that ASOIAF is unique because waiting for GRRM to finish his books is a death sentence

No. 2221396

>>2220817
I did the same initially too nona kek

No. 2221483

>>2221384
Dedicated discords are where I have the most luck, though it’s hard to find a good one and they’re usually filled with zoomers and gendies. Honestly sometimes twitter gives me good conversations as well so long as the fandom isn’t huge.

No. 2221489

>>2220585
how old IS lightning mcqueen anyways

No. 2221549

>>2221249
>64 updootes
grim

No. 2222061

>>2221489
The first Cars movie came out 18 years ago…. Lightning McQueen is now legal.

No. 2222170

>>2220537
>>2220572
There's also the fact that it's safer for them to post unhinged shit on AO3 in comparison to other fic sites.

No. 2222857

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>>2218158
they aren't letting this go

No. 2222886

>>2222857
The numbers aren't too significantly different, so I don't see how that's a flex. Especially when nobody gives a fuck about underpaid American voice actors for anime but Japanese voice actors are chosen for marketing reasons and their fans will watch something just for them sometimes which is why Yuichi Nakamura is every fucking where right now.

No. 2222924

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Why are twitter gachacels so incredibly mentally ill? The original post that had over 15k likes has been deleted, but this individual accused a woman of misogyny for calling Ayaka a waifubait character. I have nothing against women that like female characters from gachashit but I hate when they try to paint these characters as some paragon of feminism. This entire thread is beyond parody to me because they use the same rhetoric that is used by males who claim that women are just jealous of their 1-dimensional waifus, but instead they add a dash of twitter feminism to whatever claim they are making.

No. 2222930

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>>2222924
Maybe I need to get my head out of gachashit, but I’m genuinely concerned for these women. Many of them are well over 20 and should know what feminism and misogyny are, but it seems like they learned these terms from Twitter one day and haven't stopped using them in every single conversation since then. I have noticed that whenever a semi-popular post about male characters appears, they jump in with a QRT to make some unrelated or exaggerated point about misogyny. I don’t even like the male characters from Hoyoshit, but I find this constant seething over "some random woman on the internet does not like this coombait female character, so it must be misogyny!1!!" both amusing and tiring.
It is very insulting, that some of them genuinely believe that if you don’t like female characters from hoyoshit of all things, then you must not be attracted to women. Worse, they belittle concerns voiced by Chinese women under the guise of feminism. For them, tearing down real women to defend the honour of fictional female characters designed by men somehow counts as peak feminism. I’ve seen so many unhinged posts in the past few days that it’s really making me think about the absolute state of women-dominated fandom spaces. Ironically, moids on reddit and /vg/ hold far more irrational hatred toward male characters, yet no one is policing their opinions over there.

No. 2222966

>>2222924
>>2222930
What is it with this game attracting so many autists.

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>>2222924
>>2222930
Wonder how many of these are trannies posting the same rhetoric as gooners with "so you hate women" instead of "are you afraid of boobs"?

RL women here are 100% fakebians and pornsick though. No way in hell you would whiteknight ZZZ unless you're actually retarded.

No. 2222983

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>>2222982
Posting the following because the copypasta is hilarious.

No. 2222984

>>2221483
wrt to ASOIAF my fav is this one meme subreddit that's books only, seems to filter out the low IQ discourse in >>2221384

It's not all just jokes, sometimes some memes do trigger people enough to discuss the books

but ASOIAF is in a runt because of the long hiatus, any fandom eventually breaks down after 5+ years

I never tried discords tbh, it seems like too much effort for me

No. 2222999

>>2222982
>>2222983
We need to spam this everywhere as the new copypasta.

No. 2223005

>>2222966
>colorful designs
>braindead black and white storytelling
>simple game design
Gee I wonder why.

No. 2223040

>>2220537
Based Chinese fujos
>>2220572
>Apparently ao3 is known to chinese fandoms as being for yaoi porn lmao.
Implying AO3 is known for something different in the west? Kek most fanfics are M/M

No. 2223266

>>2220537
>>2220572
It's the one place the CCP has no authority over, that's why the CN fujos and yumes write the raunchiest, most depraved material there. It's literally their safe haven

No. 2223368

>>2222930
>you don’t care for female character therefore you’re a misogynist

I feel crazy and would like to apologize to many nonnies. I held similar beliefs up until a few months ago. A show I was following took a nosedive with its female cast while unintentionally making their male characters more interesting yet a certain segment of fans are hellbent on portraying any and all dissidents as sexists or misogynists before admitting that the writers themselves are badly handling the female characters. I’ve seen “you just hate flawed female characters essays” and those posts genuinely have me closer to becoming a /tv/ lurker .

I still get it on principle . The hate boner men had towards Skylar in Breaking Bad for example but idk i feel like nowadays it’s not that bad?
Like in the boys people don’t hate Victoria, who was a very morally grey character, and instead disliked Starlight for understandable reasons

It’s not always misogyny, sometimes your fav female character is just not interesting and invoking morality police and tumblr politics won’t change that

No. 2223633

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this is over good omens getting a 90 minute finale, do they know how many fandoms would have literally begged for this?

No. 2223638

>>2223633
KEK good that shit show was one of the biggest ugly man psyops ever, fuck it

No. 2223643

>>2223633
Atleast it will get a finale and it got cancelled for a reason, Good omens fans got it good.

No. 2223649

>>2223633
that one girl saying
>never get into queer media
lmao b/c the male writer WILL turn out to be a sexpest

No. 2223650

>>2223633
Are they at least blaming Neil Gaiman for it?

No. 2223653

>>2223650
they were, but they were giving equal blame to the studio

No. 2223744

>>2222924
It's just plain character wankery disguised as activism. "You don't like my fictional female character created by a man? You must hate women. Now please ignore while I shit on this other female character created by the same man because she takes away attention from my fav!" Exist in manga/anime fandoms as well. See anyone shonen related piece of media with more than one female character of the same age bracket.

No. 2224282

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>characters that literally aren't related
>she's just the occasional girlfriend of his mentor figure

No. 2224309

>>2222924
>which is definitely how that works irl too
>no one hates Genshin women like women
But they're not real women, and they they were literally made to get male coomers to spend all their savings on them…

>>2220657
>chuggaconrroy(pedo footfag pokemon youtuber)
Holy shit, this is the first time I've read anything about this.

>>2221265
Nona, he's the kind of sick fuck who would want to have children only to groom and rape them.

No. 2224312

>>2222983
Is DEI the new scrote buzzword to discredit any piece of media they can't fap to? Or the new "SJW"?

No. 2224398

>>2224312
It absolutely is. It's crazy to me that I suddenly started seeing conservatard moids throw that word everywhere in the most text book example of "buzzword" way out of nowhere. Genuinely curious how it spread so quickly.

No. 2224400

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>>2224312
It stands for diversity, equity and inclusion and it's the new woke I guess. It's just used like a reason to explain why games are bad now without directly saying that the real issue is that they don't 100% cater to them. Imo the old fucks spouting this shit should not be playing games in the first place kek get an adult hobby

No. 2224447

>>2224282
>the clownish and absurd size difference and "sexual dimorphism"
>the tacky costumes
>knowing so much trivia about cringe media for overgrowed mentally handicapped manchildren
Superhero fandoms are retarded.

No. 2224457

>>2224447
So what should adults be reading then? Depressing literary fiction?

No. 2224470

>>2224447
I agree but a 5'6 women will be that small compared to a 6'1 male

No. 2224510

>>2224312
Basically. They're already at it with DEI skin for black characters and DEI attributes when they can't goon to it.

No. 2224580

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>>2222982
>What's the matter, WOKEY BOY? Scared of a few BOOBIES?!

No. 2224591

>>2224470
nta but I think it's less so the character's heights and more the general proportions. I don't personally care about the stylisation (other than that it doesn't feel as cohesive between the characters as it could be), but a buff 6'1'' man is not that huge mclarge anyway– Catwoman's torso side profile could almost fit within his leg kek

No. 2224597

>>2224591
It legitimately looks like forced perspective kek

No. 2224602

>>2224400
If a woman who looked exactly like this got famous nowadays they'd neg her for being tanned and not having hips the width of a doorframe.

No. 2224670

>>2224457
Unironically yes

No. 2224708

>>2224447
Go tell us your fandoms nona, let's see how mature and adult you are
I have never cared for superheroes in my life btw

No. 2224713

>>2224312
I find forced diversity cringey in modern media but when these men scream over DEI it's always just a black person existing or a woman that isn't rail thin with a baby face. The whole concept of "woke" has lost credibility a long time ago but this is so mask off.

No. 2224717

You guys should see the pseudo meltdown /v/ had over Metaphor RE:Fantazio for being """DEI slop""".
Sadly I don't have pictures with me atm but it was one of the most forced and fabricated outrages ever in the history of vidiya fandom.

No. 2224726

>>2224717
Can you explain what's going on without posting spoilers? I plan on playing the game later and I'd like to avoid spoilers so I'd rather not check it out myself.

No. 2224738

>>2224726
I would also appreciate a spoiler-free summary, even if it's just a sentence
I'm playing the game atm so I imagine it includes that the characters and NPCs have varying skin tones and the world building includes different races and religions with prejudice and stereotypes about them, and that "tolerance" is a one of the traits the mc can level up in, however your female companions are conventionally attractive harembait

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>>2224738
Hulkenberg is the main point of contention, they complain over her ass being "censored" when compared to earlier footage of the game, plus the fact that she eats bugs. Thankfully most of the outrage is painfully forced and the overwhelming majority of people don't give a shit.
The whole "diversity and tolerance" stuff doesn't really trigger these people as much because, as you said, the female cast are all attractive.

No. 2224974

>>2224968
Kek thank you anon it's even dumber than I imagined

No. 2224991

>>2224968
thank god jesus christ, her ass looks so overrendered in the before that it clashes with the artstyle. isnt RE a horror game anyway? idk how anyone could take the before coombait seriously in one of those

No. 2224996

>>2224991
>isnt RE a horror game anyway?
Huh? Are we talking about Resident Evil or Metaphor?

No. 2225004

>>2224968
That's it? I expected something related to the story or characters and not just a bunch of tards complaining that there aren't enough polygons on some character's ass.

No. 2225019

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>>2225004
It's a 100 hour long JRPG, the culture war rage grifters can't get much mileage out of it beyond cherry picked screenshots like pic related, specially since the game is actually good and sold really well.

No. 2225024

>>2224996
KEK i misread the game title, sorry for being a retard. my point on the ass looking dumb in the before still stands though.

No. 2225026

>>2225019
I've noticed these types always backpedal and pretend they either didn't care or supported it all along if the thing they're mad about gets popular. For "warriors against tyrannical censorship" or whatever they sure love to suck up to the status quo kek

No. 2225030

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he's right

No. 2225031

>>2225030
They're both wrong and stupid, but the OP is especially stupid because you just know he likes the type of coomer or cgdct anime that has horrible character designs or manga with very sloppy, half assed art.

No. 2225032

>>2225030
The original tweet is such embarrassing weeb cope lmao. "Any art style that isn't animu = bad" type of brainworms.

No. 2225041

>>2225030
Why is he proposing to a child

No. 2225057

>>2225030
Haven't a bunch of right wingers absolutely shit on anime as brainrot?
Either way, using Frieren where the mc is a OP woman that doesn't really give a fuck and the ml died never getting laid doesn't seem like it'd go with those politics.

No. 2225059

>>2225041
He's just giving her a gift, not proposing.

No. 2225060

>>2225057
Rightoids have a BPDesque relationship with Japan and anime, it's either the most uber based last bastion of patriarchy to ever exist or cucked woke bugmen propaganda depending on the time of day.

No. 2225092

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>>222505
Depends, the more racist the more likely they're to dislike it because it's made by "Japs/gooks" and is liked by trannies

No. 2225100

>>2225092
I don't know what this means

No. 2225105

>>2225092
what is this retarded chart?

No. 2225116

>>2225105
A chart made by people who partake in sharing cp/zoo or extortionist groups who are mad they're being called out by supposed Safe Edgy communities

No. 2225118

>>2225105
It was posted on the nolimitsfun wiki or something

No. 2225224

>>2225019
I think the game is too long for culture war grifter types to be able to get content, they lack the patience.

No. 2225240

>>2225092
>"foodist" (pejorative coined on KF to describe the monkey torture "community", only the "foodists" themselves would use this term along with "pedo" and "tranny" because they assume they're more well-known than they actually are)
>weird malding about animals
>"something something loli/shota for the wrong reasons"
Chart made by a gore-addicted, pedophilic monkey rapist.

No. 2225254

>>2225240
Also calling gore the "moral equivalent" to CP. Only an edgelord NEET with severe autism would ever construct this sentence.

No. 2225260

>>2225092
>>2225240
"Virtue signals over sexual deviancy" is another dead giveaway kek

No. 2225261

>>2225116
i regret asking, i hope everyone involved in this dies

No. 2225283

>>2225260
Then have a closet full of porn kek. Projection, lots of it.

No. 2225356

>>2224968
The outcry that's been happening around videogames has been so annoying lately. It could be it's own thread with how every time a new trailer for a game is released, there needs to be an entire culture war surrounding it.

No. 2225358

>>2225356
It makes me wonder why it's video games specifically that turn into the political hotbeds out of all the major entertainment mediums. First gamer gate and now the culture wars, everything seems to collapse to point in videogames. Not film, not books, always games.

No. 2225364

>>2224968
This is what men deserve

No. 2225366

>>2225358
Because game developers are retards who will outright state they have contempt for their audience.

No. 2225370

>>2225358
its been happen to big franchises like star wars too. I personally just take my popcorn and enjoy the shitfest because there is nothing funnier than seeing nerd moids mald.

No. 2225372

>>2225358
>Not film
Ghost Busters 2016? The Star Wars sequel trilogy? The Little Mermaid? There's plenty of outrage regarding films.
>books
Culture war grifters are fucking illiterate, they'd never talk about books.

No. 2225374

>>2225366
Try developing games and see if you'll manage not to fucking hate your audience.

No. 2225375

>>2225370
Same, nonna. There's nothing I love more than not being a Star Wars fan. I fucking love listening to moids seethe about their franchise going to shit.

No. 2225380

>>2225372
>There's plenty of outrage regarding films.
Always seems to fizzle out quickly compared to games. The outrage in game spaces seems to compound itself in comparison.

No. 2225391

>>2225358
I think Gamergate is what helped kick it off. Grifters saw an easy way to build an audience and push their ideologies. And since a lot of male Gamers already had their foot in the door when it came to shit like that already, it didn't take much to draw them in.

No. 2225402

>>2225375
my favorite thing about star wars is knowing my ex and his friend group are constantly seething about it. i love when they put a woman on the screen cos i know one of them watched it like a rabid slobbering dog just seething in rage they put women in star wars. i know they punched walls over some stuff over the years.

No. 2225409

>>2225358
I think it happens mostly with franchises or mediums that are traditionally associated with the stereotypical basement dweller neckbeard type of nerd. There already were a lot of whiny toxic nerds, I think there's a growing resentment among these types of moids now because there's less big companies willing to directly pander to them probably because they're whiny and easily triggered so it takes less effort to just make stuff for normal people instead kek.

No. 2225637

>>2225375
there was some loser scrote i had to be subjected to in the past who was obsessed with the first few star wars and it was so funny seeing his reaction every time i said i had never seen any of them. like he couldn't fathom it and acted like it was my obligation to watch it and that it was his obligation to show it to me, topkek it made me want to watch it even less because he was insufferable. still haven't seen it all these years later
>>2225402
kekkk

No. 2225679

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I recently started drawing fanart for a fandom i used to be super into when i was a teen. I would love to be part of the fandom again and post my art online, but sadly it seems that the only non TRA fans left are all from asia. Not even having an anti-tranny episode saved the fandom from being populated by annoying gendies, there really is no fucking escape.

No. 2225682

>>2225366
gamers are the worst customers

No. 2225689

>>2225366
And that’s based. It’s even more based when the games meta-criticize like Cyberpunk 2077 does. Anti-corpo message from devs who were pushed over and over by their shit corporate overlords.

No. 2225690

>>2225679
what is it

No. 2225698

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>>2225690
south park

No. 2225703

>>2225698
it's OVER

No. 2225713

>>2225698
I immediately knew what it was based on the anti tranny episode mention kek. Imo that fandom is permanently fucked now, there were always moralfags years back but it was never as bad as now. I blame Tiktok

No. 2225717

>>2225713
Genuinely dont understand what zoomies see in south park and why they flock to it and want to troon out the guys. It feels way too offensive for gendies.

No. 2225724

>>2225698
The TIF urge to posture oneself as morally superior due to media preferences vs the TIF urge to identify as and coom to 8 year old cartoon boys

No. 2225750

>>2225724
KEK this really is their eternal dilemma

No. 2225752

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>>2225717
kek i was just thinking of this the other day, i genuinely do not get it, it's like they've never watched a single episode: which i would totally believe. i remember back in the early web days seeing tons of japanese and some western yaoi fanart of it, so my consensus is it's mostly former-fujo tifs who are incredibly divorced from reality. but i've also known some people who actually watched the show who are definitely the TRA type and i think the argument they made was that "well the show is making fun of everybody so it doesn't count!" or some stupid shit like that. honestly it's most likely the case of "people see what they want to see" and ignoring the parts they don't like. either way, the cognitive dissonance is insane with that crowd
>>2225724
>>2225750
kekkk too real

No. 2225755

>>2225752
Cratman would never say that

No. 2225758

>>2225752
Cartman would pretend to be a tranny to serve some retarded personal agenda and then commit a hate crime the millisecond he got bored.

No. 2225765

>>2225758
i have been wanting for trey and matt to make an episode where cartman becomes nonbinary and pretends to be more opressed than minorities, but trey and matt are boomers and not terminally online so i doubt they even know what the fuck is a nonbinary person

No. 2225787

>>2225717
I've always found SP's popularity with TIFs strange because it's not even just popular with the wannabe 4channer edgy type of gendies (somewhat understandable despite the dissonance) but also the neopronoun ones that will call you a nazi apologist for shipping Kyman. If there's one group of people South Park doesn't appeal to at all it's that one.

No. 2225838

>>2225375
it's such a weird movie to get so invested in. I watched the og trilogy and it's so barebone story-wise. Lovely matte paintings and music, but I was expecting something a little deeper. Even Predator has more nuanced dialogue

No. 2225954

>>2225358
The medium's young, only starting in maybe 70s? Enter a audience who grew up in the 90s where every women in video games were stacked bimbos and men were ripped acton heros. Now that games gone mainstream, the olden tropes had faded, no longer relevant in the face of changing trends. >>2225838
The og trilogy was fine. Not amazing, but did pave the way for better things imo.

No. 2226115

>>2222930
The first twitter post is correct, you can see it even in these threads.

No. 2226499

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Anyone else here bothered that the dirty old man trope doesn't have a female equivalent? Like where are my female ugly bastards lusting after younger male characters? Does this exist in any media that isn't just scrote oneeshota shit? I feel like this is a result of moids being threatened over the thought of an older woman finding a younger guy attractive, and women being conditioned into thinking that moids must always be older and dominant, kek.

No. 2226533

>>2226499
Only one I can think of is the "still I think he's rather tasty" woman from Aladdin.

No. 2226554

>>2226499
idk why you'd be bothered about a shitty trope not being more common for one sex over the other, but older women who leer at younger men do turn up more in live action comedies, from my experience. Also, while the attention is unwanted, the dirty old man trope isn't the same thing as the ugly bastard, as its usually a vehicle for shitty crass comedy (often to be immediately shut down as part of the bit) because the old person doesn't give a crap anymore/are pathetically trying to relive their glory days, and not a gross porn trope intended to sexually degrade a female character. The trope has also been on a general decline from what I've seen, and even characters known for embodying it (eg Master Roshi) have had their antics watered down in more recent depictions.

No. 2226556

>>2225765
There was an episode where Cartman got breast implants, and it was absolutely a commentary on doctors chopping off underage TIFs’ boobs.

No. 2226806

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>>2226499
Arcane did it best imo

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No. 2226833

>>2226806
this is insanely hot and i wonder if she’s like that in the original league lore.

No. 2226834

>>2226806
What's the name of the characters? I need to find fanfiction about them.

No. 2226835

>>2226833
She's actually a new character created for Arcane afaik

No. 2226837

>>2226834
The woman is called Ambessa Medarda, the guy doesn't have a name and is simply called Gorgeous Man in the credits kek

No. 2226844

>>2226833
They added her to the game recently and she has a flirty voiceline specifically for characters coded under her "type". Which are all either twinky champions or muscular women, she's basically a reddit bisexual kek.

No. 2226898

>>2226806
Holy shit maybe i should start watching more western media, absolutely based
Also
>older black woman with "unconventionally attractive" features
>hitting on a young qt white twink
Shocked culture warrior moids didn't throw a melty over this
>>2226844
I wouldn't call liking twinky moids reddit bi, reddit bi is moreso dadbods and characters like that ugly green faggot from zelda. I will say that her being attracted to "muscle mommies" definitely feels like it's so the woke crowd wouldn't chimp out and call her a pedo. muscular women are hot though

No. 2226907

>>2226898
> Shocked culture warrior moids didn't throw a melty over this
The secret to this whole ‘culture war’ thing is that moids don’t really care about DEI or ‘wokeness’, they just use bad games as an excuse to jab at minorities. You’ll notice that they’re usually clowned into silence when they try to go for a near-universally beloved property such as Arcane or Spiderverse. Hell, you could probably direct a film full of oiled-up twinks wrestling for the camera and if its plot is good enough you’d get at least three separate videos titled “How Oiled Up Twinks 3 Gets Its Diversity Right”. Point being: moids are dumb and have no critical thinking, which works just fine for me.

No. 2227014

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>>2226499
This happens with a lot of female characters in Boku no Hero Academia and I think also Yuri on Ice. I was thinking it was a common anime trope

No. 2227018

>>2227014
Though these female characters were usually attractive adults, not unattractive old ladies.

No. 2227046

>>2226806
This awoken something in me

No. 2227048

>>2226907
>You’ll notice that they’re usually clowned into silence when they try to go for a near-universally beloved property such as Arcane or Spiderverse.
Yeah, it’s cool how the Half-Life and Portal series are seen as the gold standard of video games when they have a positive, non-sexualized portrayal of female and minority characters (and I’d even go as far as saying that Portal and Portal 2 have feminist themes).

No. 2227065

>>2227048
I think some of this culture war nonsense has a generational component. And I don't just mean Gen Z vs Millennials and older I mean like older people who didn't get involved in online culture until more recently. Half Life 2 came out 20 years ago. Plenty of young dudes have never played it and lots of older guys might not have been gaming back then, or never played single player campaigns, or were uninvolved in fandom.

Alyx is a black woman with a very normal appearance (no skimpy outfits or super curvy body) but she was one of THE top video game waifus for nerd boys back in the 2000s. Current generation of grievance hunters are genuinely unaware that gamers used to commonly prefer a girl-next-door look in their waifus. If they ever made HL3 I do expect to see male infighting between the new breed that immediately cries DEI and the old breed rushing to protect the virtue of their childhood waifu.

No. 2227073

>>2225838
They're not invested in the movies; they're invested in the universe.

No. 2227099

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>>2227065
When Half-Life: Alyx (basically HL3) was released ~4 years ago, there were a lot of presumably male fans dissatisfied with her voice actor being changed and her face being more realistic (see picrel for comparison), but those things are understandable because I also thought the new character models fell a bit into the uncanny valley. If you were to look hard enough you could maybe find someone upset about playing as Alyx instead of Gordon, but the new game had a shockingly positive reception even after so many years of the series being ignored.

No. 2227120

>>2227065
>gamers used to commonly prefer a girl-next-door look in their waifus
While some waifued Alyx, plenty of people made fun of the aggressive shipping/damsel in distressing between her and Gordon that happened in Episode 2.

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>>2227065
>>2227099
Looks like a few people cried DEI over HLA, but it’s such an unpopular opinion that even Reddit is making fun of them.

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No. 2227145

>>2227099
ngl I can understand the dissatisfaction, especially with the change in voice. If the VAs are unable to still do the voice due to age that's one thing, but it's sad to see original VAs getting passed over for no reason.

The reason Alyx looks different is that her eyebrows are more arched (more feminine) and her jawline isn't as wide (more feminine). For all the complaining about DEI chins and manjaws a lot of these complainers lack aesthetic knowledge. Alyx has a cute, more rounded facial appearance because she was a wider jaw with a lower gonial angle. The new model tries to feminize her appearance in stereotypical ways and it makes her look quite different.

No. 2227149

>>2227128
>32 replies
fucking kek, I wonder what youtube video they originally commented on I want to see them get thrashed in the comments

No. 2227157

>>2227149
I assume it was the announcement trailer; you’ll have to sift through the 73K comments though.

No. 2227172

>>2227128
>>2227149
Also it’s hard to tell which comments are serious and which are trolls parodying angry conservatives.

No. 2227249

>>2227172
r/gamingcirclejerk is a shitpost sub populated by the leftist side of the culture wars.

No. 2227260

>>2227249
dumb to bring "leftist" and "culture wars" into it. circlejerk subs are just about making fun of dumb posting trends in the main subs.

No. 2227269

>>2227249
I heard it wasn't as bad until Hogwarts Legacy came out then it turned into utter shit.

No. 2227329

>>2227249
I am aware; I was suggesting that some of the YouTube comments themselves could be bait/satire. I’m not a fan of that sub since it’s full of trannies, but a broken clock is right twice a day.

No. 2227450

>>2227329
The amount of trannies never surprised me considering gaming attracts many kinds of outcast. What's baffling was one or some of the mods being out and out tankies yet some of the userbase hates CCP or anything china craps out. You're left two sides secretly in a cold war to see who's gonna get the axe and who stays.

No. 2228370

this might have been brought up before but does anyone else miss the culture of imagine blogs on tumblr? feels like those died off at the same time as people got insanely obsessed with their own headcanons and ships etc and stopped being able to handle seeing anyone else's interpretations or ideas within a fandom without having to fight them and argue about who's more correct or what's allowed or not. like, you're not the creator of whatever media you're into, stop acting like you speak with authority on what a character is like or what could happen in a setting etc. the format of imagine blogs was very compelling. i'm tired of reading people's essay long takes on stuff on their personal accs.

No. 2228771

>>2228370
>the culture of imagine blogs on tumblr?
What is it nonna? Do you have examples to share?

No. 2228895

>>2226898
>>2226844
>ultra masculine woc character
this is not as revolutionary as you all are making it, it's basically a porn trope and like >>2226844 said, she's basically a "reddit bisexual" trope

No. 2228902

>>2228895
>ultra masculine
ah yes, the ultra masculine urge of wearing bright red lipstick

No. 2228911

>>2228902
you know what I mean, most old women aren't steroid-pumped bodybuilders

No. 2228920

>>2228895
What about Alyx >>2227099

No. 2229011

>>2228920
I like her, she's actually a character instead of a porn-trope from someone D&D session

No. 2229052

>>2228370
Only tangentially related, but I fucking hate headcanon culture. Nowadays you can take a, say, 20yo female characters with black hair who studies to be a doctor, headcanon her as a "35yo blonde trans femme catgirl who works as a barista" and everyone has to accept that.
Yes, I'm calling for gatekeeping because some headcanons are just shit.

No. 2229116

>>2228370
Yes! It's now just ask me my headcanons/share your headcanons blog and all the remaining imagine blogs are very inactive and demotivated. Not to mention the AI drama and last year some imagine logs stealing fanfiction and rewording it as another character.
>>2228771
It's like short prompt writings, not enough for a full fledged fanfiction but still nice. Like imagine if you made a birthday cake for your husbando, and then the blog would write a short story based on that. Ofc its easier to just say I HC husbando as trans nonbinary and blogs replying valid and getting double the notes as the effortpost.

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How does this contradict eachother

No. 2229194

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>>2229180
Samefag, god I hate these ironic fujos who know nothing about the history of BL or our culture and say shit like this. Ofc this fag has the dead dove symbol in their bio but still has all these roundabout justifications for their heckin problematic hobby (assuming they even read bl)

No. 2229196

>>2229194
>our community has tons of trannies
no, bitch only westoids do. No fujo woman in japan gives a shit about trannies.

No. 2229205

>>2229180
> Two ‘cisgender’ men fucking each other with their ‘cisgender’ dicks and ‘cisgender’ anus’
> WUH WUH YAOI IS INHERENTLY TRANNY MEDIAAAA WUHHHHHH

No. 2229206

>>2229194
How are gays related to trannies? They always like to mix these crowds, but gays are about sexual orientation while trannies are all about some woowoo gender bullshit that they make up. Actually the two often contradict each other because sexual attraction relies heavily on the physical sexual characteristics that the gendies try so hard to deny. Fucking retards want to shove trannies everywhere.

No. 2229210

>>2229194
>deal heavily with gender
The fuck does that even mean kek What kind of BL is this troon reading?

No. 2229225

>>2229210
probably the weird omegaverse "yaoi" wherein one of the guys has a pussy. that and futashit have been a real plague on bl and gl respectively, get piv out of gay media for the love of god.

No. 2229237

>>2229210
Slow Damage's shitty localization has those themes, but in the original it's just Rei coming to terms with his masculinity while his friends are still GNC.

No. 2229286

>>2229225
i though they have asshole babies in omegaverse?

No. 2229355

>>2228911
Its a cartoon it doesnt have to be realistic.

No. 2229366

>>2229355
the vast majority of other human character have semi-realistic proportions

No. 2229390

>>2229366
the main characters have pink and blue hair

No. 2229445

>>2229180
I will always be a proud trans exclusionary radical fujoshi!

No. 2229610

>>2229180
Do Westoids not know how to do anything instead of needlessly policitize shit? I wouldn't even need to say you have to support gay people irl to be a fujo kek. Trannies have nothing to do with yaoi, I had to guess what they mean by dealing with gender is some characters going "I'm not a real man because I like dudes!" or because of long hair/flamboyant bishies. I genuinely don't know how else you would come to that conclusion.

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>>2229052
>Nowadays you can take a, say, 20yo female characters with black hair who studies to be a doctor, headcanon her as a "35yo blonde trans femme catgirl who works as a barista" and everyone has to accept that.
you're right on point with the attitude now being that everyone has to accept your headcanons. i'm not even against having headcanons that are ridiculously OOC, but treating them as undisputable canon, and thinking that anyone can be factually right or wrong about their headcanons, when a headcanon literally is the imagined canon that's in your head and not in the media in question, is all so dumb. and i think the difference between then and now is also that like, before when there were imagine blogs for example, it was more clear that your headcanons or fanfictional ideas were just ideas with no authority, and that they could all coexist together because people were actually willing to hear other's thoughts about stuff in their respective fandoms. i also liked imagine blogs because they encouraged being more immersed in the media the blogs revolved around. submissions could be like "imagine being a blah in blahworld doing blah with blah and blah". no mentally ill shit like kinning. it was cringe at times but harmless unlike today when kids are claiming they have a multiple personality that's some minecraft streamer literally existing inside their body/brain.

No. 2229695

>>2229052
>>2229681
That's not even a headcanon, that's a whole-ass AU mixed with your own OC at that point.

No. 2229711

>>2229695
yes hence the label "imagines"

No. 2229776

>>2229286
They do, at least the Japanese ones. Wouldn't be surprised if westerns saw the trend and went full tranny with it.

No. 2229883

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so i'm a mutuals with some libfems who are really into drag racing and the way they I've seen them engage with the fandom is fascinating, cause they basically treat it like "yuri" and even ship drag queens with each other and treat them like their female characters instead of gay men making a mocking impression of women

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Just wanted to post here about the schadenfreude I feel knowing the spergs who continually seethe about their two ships being either forgotten and or tainted by canon (they sometimes cry about the main ship i.e the girl “in the way” to the point of making ugly vent art of her being “cucked”) can only blame their fandom for not putting any effort in support for them. Bonus points for how shitty their art is after years as well as being the worst kind of pickmes with their shitty nsfw art.

No. 2230079

>>2226806
this is based

No. 2230092

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i’ve noticed that twitter “himejoshi” never engage with actual lesbian content. they’d rather play gacha or games that have no yuri so they can complain and argue that x character is actually lesbian coded. why?

No. 2230096

>>2230092
Because actual himejoshi are too busy not engaging and just RTing yuri mangaka. The ones you’re showing are secret fujoshi that don’t want to be labeled “straight” so despite hyperfocusing on males, they call them “honorary lesbians” or some stupid shit like that. Source: I’m a himejoshi and hang out with other himejoshi. We don’t engage with retards in general, since we’re too busy reading yuri manga/engaging with yuri stuff, while ignoring male-centric fandom spaces. You know it’s a himejoshi when she’s in more niche spaces, not the typical ones since the fandoms that are popular tend to be ones with male-centric charas. Unfortunately, himejoshi spaces are riddled with TIMs, which just makes us more quiet and less “online” socially, so to speak. Hope this clears things up.

No. 2230103

>>2230092
Best answer is their cowards or so rotted by queer theory they couldn't be straight. The masterdoc should have never existed, frankly. Maybe then we'd have less "himes" declaring their comphet crushes like it's an art. This is especially true for less than roid-looking men–Those get the worse of it.

No. 2230123

>>2230092
If they spend more time tweeting about male characters, hate or not, then they're not himejoshis. No shipper is gonna waste their time on that shit. Just compare them to any actual yuri account, most of them barely tweet about male characters in any context. They don't even bother to shit on them, they just ignore them and focus on the female characters they like (which mirrors what fujos do only caring about their yaois and nothing else). Like >>2230103 said these "himejo" accounts that spend their entire day hating on men are just masterdoc polilezzies, they pretend to only care about women/yuri but they never shut up about men. They just do this to overcompensate and prove how much of a lesbian they are or some shit.

No. 2230135

>>2229180
Just because you don’t abide by or believe in traditional gender roles society has been expecting of us does not mean you’re cool with trannies.If anything ,believing in TRA shit means you too think boys can’t like pink or girls can’t wear pants without being trans.Loathe modern fujo culture so much eugh(integrate)

No. 2230579

>>2230103
this is the best explanation

No. 2230588

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>>2226499
The only old lady I know in media that does this is the old lady from Ace attorney games who stayed hitting on Edgeworth.

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>>2226499
the only example i know is the old lady hitting on yung voldemort in harry potter and the half blood prince and she's an extremely minor character

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>>2230588
not anime but cloest equivalent i know is Buck Brown's old lady comics

No. 2230774

>>2226499
for real nonna. not animu related but imagine if there was a huge culturally revered movie like the 90s lolita adaptation or even leon the professional but the sexes of the characters were reversed. it would simply not be tolerated by society. yet the opposite is praised endlessly for its depth and meaning etc.
>Like where are my female ugly bastards lusting after younger male characters? Does this exist in any media that isn't just scrote oneeshota shit?
even in the media or porn where this dynamic sort of exists, it's literally always just young looking sexy women with gigatits, never a normal old looking woman let alone a gross old hag. it's never realistic, just more of the same old, done to death scrote fap material of the milf/mommy category as always.

No. 2231061

>>2230774
Every korean webtoon romacne i come across that has a younger male lead with a clear raising/grooming storyline gets whining and bitching in the comments without fail but even then it's never actually predatory and she never gets with the male lead until he's an adult anyway. So it never comes across as a nasty grooming romance if that's what one's looking for.

No. 2231408

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>>2226499
wouldnt call her nor dirty nor perverted by any means but she's the closest I can think of, their bond was based on their mutual fascination for death and ended up blooming into a full blown old-timey romance. The fact the actor wasnt underage at the time surprised me, he looked pretty young there. To summarize: its a weird girl-brooding dude romance except the girl is old enough to be his grandma and he looks fresh outta highschool.

No. 2231468

>>2231408
What's the film/series? Seems interesting.

No. 2231519

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>>2231468
nta but it's a film called harold and maude. definitely recommend, it's one of my favourites of all time.

No. 2231572

>>2231519
He looks like a mannequin in this photo

No. 2231965

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>just came across 3rd media this week where the main pair is a lesbian and a girly brown TiM
Kek this is so dumb, you just know they pat themselves on the backs for how sUbVeRsIve they are. Yet if I called them racist for making all their main brown “women” characters actually men in dresses I’d be the bad guy

No. 2232014

>>2231965
Someone needs to gaslight these people into making trans x trans pairings instead of this heterosexual shit. Wouldn't that be more woke anyway?

No. 2232073

>>2231965
Wait isn't this Noelle Stevenson's wife?

No. 2232189

>>2232073
It is. This is the woman who cucked Noelle so hard with a man that she trooned.

No. 2232479

>>2231965
Completely, totally unrelated. But I hate this trend of calling everything "X to lovers". It's a fucking romance, you don't have to force a dynamic to make it seem more interesting than it is. Also I hate how books are advertised nowadays.

No. 2233107

>>2231519
Thanks nona!

No. 2233214

>>2232479
It's a marketing trend with roots in fanfiction. The current generation writers come from wattpad and ao3 thus more and more books are starting to feel fanfic-y and that might explain it. Characters are introduced like you know them already, focus on emotions over plot, and meandering subplots that add nothing to the wider story. I wanna know why these kind of novels get popular till I realize most readers these days are illiterate tiktok zoomers.

No. 2233369

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A transformers convention(fandom populated by TIMs) banned trannies.

No. 2233376

>>2233369
kek waiting for the meltdown

No. 2233381

>>2233369
Sounds more like Florida banned them

No. 2233383

>>2233369
Florida has banned cross-dressing? Wow

No. 2233470

>>2233369
Damn based Florida. I just know that the only reason they are following these laws and claiming they have to is because at least a couple people in charge are stealth anti-troon in some way.

No. 2233472

>>2233369
Transforbic

No. 2233477

>>2233369
Sorry but what the fuck is that crossdressing thing? So a female fan can't cosplay as a male character anymore? This is some Saudi Arabian kind of shit, jesus.

No. 2233500

>>2233369
>>2233477
What even counts as “crossdressing”? Does it only apply to men wearing dresses, or is there a certain amount of tomboyishness that women are not allowed to show?

No. 2233506

>>2233500
And is it only based on America’s idea of men’s/women’s clothes? What if a man were to wear something cultural that would look “feminine” to Americans (like a kilt)? How do you legislate arbitrary pieces of fabric?

No. 2233514

>>2233500
It's like the way I've seen porn defined - you know it when you see it. If it's sexualized, it's crossdressing. You would be taking the rule in bad faith to use it to kick out a scot in a kilt or a woman in cargo pants.

No. 2233515

>>2233477
I have the same question. I'm not in Florida nor do I like transformers shit but I like to wear EGA fashion and look like a vampiric gentleman when I go to cons and meetups. That would be banned under this circumstance. Although I imagine that rule is only enforced if someone's making a scene already and reeing over bathrooms or pronouns

No. 2233516

>>2233470
What’s based about shoving gender norms down women’s throats? You know this will come to bite you in the ass right

No. 2233533

>>2233514
What counts as “sexualized”? Would you say that a lot of women’s fashion is sexualized because of how revealing and/or beautiful it is? I know that people here can often tell the difference between an AGP (fetishizing clothing) and a feminine man (not fetishizing clothing), but in practice you can’t read people’s minds to tell whether they’re fetishizing the clothing they’re wearing. And is it sexualizing just to think the clothes you’re wearing look sexy?

No. 2233536

>>2233514
>You would be taking the rule in bad faith to use it to kick out a scot in a kilt or a woman in cargo pants.
And how do you figure that the rule won't be abused by the people who take it in bad faith? This kind of shit can turn nefarious really fast.

No. 2233542

>>2233514
>>2233536
This is why laws need to be clearly defined and not reliant on opinion/interpretation. Regardless, I disagree with the crossdressing law in the first place because we shouldn’t be defining clothes as male/female and preventing people from wearing pieces of fabric just because a few fetishists are weird about it.

No. 2233568

>>2226806
these aren't lesbians?

No. 2233681

>>2233568
no anon it’s a woman and a man

No. 2233707

>>2233533
Actually I will concede I wasn't thinking of it like a law. I had no idea there were laws against cross dressing in florida and I don't think there should be any law about how to dress (barring exposure/offensive imagery etc). I was thinking of it as like a dress code at a specific event, which is typically only subject to the common sense of whoever's running the thing. I would trust a sensible, normal person's instinctive judgement on what is fetishistic and what isn't.

But going back to my comparison to porn - there are always slippery slope arguments about how to define it, it's never going to be 100% clear and easily defined, but I still want porn banned. I don't care if some artistic nudes are collateral damage. In the same way, I don't care if some feminine gay dude in a dress is collateral damage in a ban on cross dressing at a convention if it means people are spared trannies in thigh highs and mini skirts. imo that is men forcing the public to participate in their fetish without consent and I won't ever support it.

No. 2233762

>>2233500
I was just about to say. I don’t like femboys or troons but I do love handsome men in feminine clothing that accentuates their beauty; is that crossdressing? If it’s for MY fetish, and not the man’s? Kek.

No. 2233813

>>2233707
>I don't care if some artistic nudes are collateral damage
I don't like porn either but tasteful depictions of human desire shouldn't be banned, just regulated and out of the hands of vulnerable individuals.

No. 2233836

>>2233369
>banning cross-dressing
That’s what caused troons in the first place, not being able to separate gender roles from sex.

No. 2233837

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Apparently most animes and all of Disney are "explicitly against hate". This is so vague I don't even know what they're talking about.

No. 2233985

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>>2233837
There’s so much to unpack here.

>The happy, big-eyed worm creature on the right

>The book floating above the pillar like a coin in some platformer
>moster high

Agree that Steven Universe attracts toxic people though.

t. a hateful person who will continue to enjoy entertainment regardless of its supposed morals.

No. 2234052

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I know this meme is very common and everyone already knows about its point, but can I just ask a question? When a fandom inevitably gets characters somewhat wrong by exaggerating, mellowing, or straight up making shit up about characters, is it mainly that the people who make these "bastardized" interpretations aware that they're being inaccurate and are just having fun with how they THINK a character "should've been" written, or are most people rather bad at understanding characters straight from canon material?

No. 2234074

>>2234052
A lot of people just consume fanfic and not the source material so they have no idea of what the character is "supposed" to be to begin with.

No. 2234093

>>2234052
It's a mixed bag. There's this idea that surface level observations are always wrong, worsened by developers playing into it with dogshit "lore" to keep their fandoms engaged. People feel compelled to dig deeper than reasonable to extrapolate the truth, but more often than not, they end up taking leaps of faith with no basis in the source material. Fandom is also full of neurodivergents who struggle to view people holistically, they fixate on one characteristic instead of a dynamic personality because it's easier for them to digest. And like >>2234074 said it becomes a game of telephone when fanfiction gets involved.

No. 2234102

>>2234052
>>2234093
Samefagging but I also think that picrel is depicting TWO mischaracterizations, which is another issue where people (autists…) think that personalities can only ever be opposite to each other instead of complex and multifaceted.

No. 2234238

>>2233500
it's obviously about men wearing women clothing anon come on. We all know the opposite is not the same at all, as women wearing pants is normal nowadays and men commit most sex crimes.

No. 2234243


No. 2234329

>>2234052
I think a few years ago it was for fun, but now it feels like people are dead set on claiming their headcanons are totes canon.

No. 2234366

>>2234052
A little from column A, a little from column B. I think most people who do this are in it for the "fandom experience" and FOTM instead of finding and enjoyingh the thing organically, so they don't have that much respect for the original source material nor do they really bother to pay attention to how the character is actually written so their understanding is already surface level and based on what the people around tell them to see. This happens especially with video games because with them you can't just sit there and consoom them passively but actually interact with them, so they just go watch a let's play usually with someone else's already loaded commentary.

No. 2234373

>>2231408
she's more like manic pixie dream girl

No. 2234433

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I find alien stage fans’ obsession with Hyuna being a dommy mommy pegging girlboss who ”impregnates” the guy pretty baffling considering the media seems to consistently imply otherwise.
>attempt to look up nsfw
>first result is dickgirl Hyuna fucking cuntboy Luka
I fucking hate gendies so much

No. 2234462

>>2234433
I'm so annoyed that I didn't get into alien stage when it was still relatively underground because now the fanbase seems to be incredibly insufferable and filled with gendies making enjoying the source material impossible. Baffling that these people also typecast every female character not a complete useless loli as a horny dommy mommy since that and a self-insert vessel is the only female characters they can comprehend.

No. 2234466

>>2234433
I've noticed the people who talk about pegging never actually write/draw pegging, they just do it to not seem like boring hetshippers. Or they just turn it into regular ol' PIV heterosexuality anyway like you mentioned kek. It's funny how fandom praises itself for being subversive all the time but it's really just the same shit every time.

No. 2234493

>>2234433
>girlboss who ”impregnates” the guy
they never seem to get how fucking fundamentally misogynistic this is

No. 2234514

>>2234433
Even the fact so many of them tried to act like Hyuna is "so gender" when she literally just has thick eyebrows and wears tank tops gave the whole game away. Truly evil things happening in the Alien Stage fandom.

No. 2234837

>>2234466
>they just turn it into regular ol' PIV heterosexuality anyway like you mentioned kek
I noticed this even before peaking. For how much these types yell about how gay and queer they are, they almost never depict actual homosexual pairings. They’re genderbend, trannify, and slap on all the labels they want, but in the end, it’s always PIV sex.

No. 2235086

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>>2234433
>first result
these people need to be put in a straitjacket

No. 2235089

>>2234837
As stated before, queer theory has made it so that slapping arbitrary labels and minor adjustments somehow makes something "not straight" by virtue of being queer, according to twitter queers anyway. It reminds of the whole safe horny trend where muscle mommies and femboys rule the roost but lord forbid one likes a cute, normal guy/girl their age. That promotes "heteronormative culture", yet somehow shoving girlcock and boy pussy fights against the patriarchy? Give me a break, will yea?

No. 2235165

>>2235089
The more you look into queer theory the more retarded you realize it is. Doesn't have anything to do with what homos actually face in reality, just sticking it up to some abstract idea of a cisheteropatriarchalsexistwhatever world through microidentities. Gendies genuinely believe BDSM practicing heteros with dyed hair and pronouns are more queer than an assimilationist white gay couple just because the former collects more radical labels. It's the same label slapping shit people do in fandom calling their het ships t4t or bi4bi so you can't hate on it anymore because they're hecking queer and you're being queerphobic.

No. 2235332

>>2234433
To be fair to her, I'd also be traumatized by a guy who killed my brother when we were like 10.

No. 2235381

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No. 2235451

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>>2235332
That’s exactly why it’s baffling that people push such shallow unfitting tropes on her. They don’t consider her personality, vulnerabilities, or feelings at all, they’re just forcing their dumb fetishes and somehow it became popular fanon because fandoms in general can’t comprehend female characters who aren’t 2-dimensional. (It probably also has to do with her being tall and athletic with dark/angular features instead of a cutesy anime girl- fans formed an idea of her based on her looks and stuck to that)
However, I noticed this is mostly a western/english-speaking fan phenomenon- I guess because there’s more likely to be tryhard gendies? The chinese/korean/japanese fans seem to have a better understanding of her.

No. 2235654

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what is the single thing you hate the most about the fandom of your most favorite media?

No. 2235668

>>2235451
there's a great tumblr post about how wokies turning female characters into "mommy domme's" is just another way to ignore them

No. 2235676

>>2235668
NTA but please post it if you can find it, this phenomenon needs to be fucking studied. Even the people who claim to be all about female characters and are girls' girls etc still only talk about muh dommy mommies and slayqueens completely ignoring their canon personalities and character arcs.

No. 2235681

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>>2235654
The hatred for Lois, especially when the same fans worship Hal. They act like she’s the devil and when unfair fucked up shit happens to her, it’s okay with them because she needs to be taught a “lesson”. Meanwhile they conveniently brush over Hal being a shitty father and husband because he’s le funny bumbling dad lol!

For one, Lois is based. She’s so charismatic and funny and absolutely makes the show. I used to dislike her as a teen, but on a second rewatch, she became my favorite. She is trying her hardest in a family of the most horrible fucking moids. Most of the time she’s actually rational, it’s the boys being crazy. She is flawed and I won’t excuse some crazy shit she’s done, but I understand her and how she became like that.
Hal had his funny moments but still I find him overrated, annoying, and a despicable husband and human being
>Covers up evidence of cops abusing their power to punish Lois (because the evidence proves she was right and the cops were lying, but he wanted her to think she was wrong so she’s less confident in her judgments and acts more docile)
>Took photos of Lois naked while she’s asleep, tries to keep it a secret from her
>Purposely pushes the tough work on Lois because she’s supposed to be the ‘capable’ one keeping the family in line.
>Secretly took Fridays off at work while Lois always had to work her ass off so the family can afford food
>When they had a pregnancy scare and he got mad blaming it on her for being “the woman”
>Lied to her about getting a vasectomy
>Secretly added sugar and fatty crap to her food for his weight gain fetish and got horny while she was distressed wondering what the hell was happening with her body

There is a scene in the bowling episode where Francis calls each parent asking for $100 to pitch in on a car.
>Hal: Oh, come on, Francis. That's ridiculous. I'm not giving you the money to buy one-seventh of a piece of junk
>Francis: Okay. Just thought I'd ask. Later, Dad. Bye
And when he calls Lois
>Lois: Oh, honey, I'm sorry. I really don't think we can afford this right now
>Francis: Of course. I knew you'd say that. Why do I even try? Now you can go to bed happy, knowing that you kept my life a living hell!
And I think this perfectly encapsulates how fans treated Lois.

No. 2235694

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>>2235654
I'm a genshinfag so there are more than plenty, but the one thing I hate the most besides the fandom being dominated by weirdos is the complete, utter disregard of the original source material. Every single character is bound to be mischaracterized and flanderized until there's nothing left and it's practically either the fandom's collective OC blorbo now or just a one-note sex object male or female. A lot of it is also affirmed by grifters who want to hawk their artwork but not actually be invested in the source.

No. 2235731

>>2235681
As a kid watching I always genuinely loved Lois bc my mom was spineless kek Lois was a super tough tight-ship kind of woman cursed with only sons and I always respected/recognized that. Sucks she is Skylerized like all women over 30 in shows who don’t take male BS

No. 2235732

>>2235681
People hate Lois? She's hilarious and cool, and her actress is actually incredible. Probably the best sitcom acting I've seen, her rage is tangible. I guess it's not a surprise that people will hate the only relevant female character on the show but it just doesn't feel right. Also based seeing another MITM fan out in the wild, it's my favorite sitcom of all time.

No. 2235737

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>>2235654
I’m more amused than annoyed by it, but human Wheatley and his derivatives would probably be one of the cringiest things about the Portal fandom. If you saw picrel without context, you wouldn’t think it had anything to do with Portal at all.

Also love the Shiggy image you added.

No. 2235738

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>>2235654
The hero worship of this greasy rat haired mf is actually insane. He was wrong throughout his entire expansion and in the end they treated Ysayle like the victim and had her atone through suicide. Meanwhile this fucker gets off scot free because he's a man and a fan favorite. Then they COMPLETELY retcon his character to make him some free spirit misunderstood cool guy and everyone fangirls even more over him and acts like he's some super cool bishonen when he is in fact a nasty rat man with no redeeming qualities.

No. 2235741

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>>2235737
And whatever this is.

No. 2235748

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>>2235654
The anti/pro-ship wars, you either want squeaky clean "non-problematic" everything or you are on the bench with pedos who also claim on their side since you already make ""problematic" content. Tiktok was a mistake, I just want edgy comfy jokes with the cardboard cutouts.

No. 2235756

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>>2226499
literally the only doujin I know that has almost what you described is, i am not a father by matashita kintama, but even that is short lived with most of it focused on the guy getting fucked by other men (where being anally raped in women's clothing is shown as less traumatizing than having sex with a fat old woman) and the author's work are even more fucked, shotas getting pregnant

No. 2235781

>>2235756
Maybe you should make a fucked up hentai manga thread instead of telling us about this thing everytime you can…

No. 2235791

>>2235737
>>2235741
How do you think the fandom got to this point? I've seen similar levels of weird/wildly derived fandom content before, so I wonder if the evolution was along the same lines. Also what is it with centaur!AUs? It's like one of the autism knells of a fading fandom (similar to mer!AUs, but those don't seem to get quite as elaborate or off-the-rails as I've seen centaur ones get, maybe because they're more interested in Little Mermaid/Beauty and the Beast oneshot plots rather than going 'okay so what if the characters were centaurs and in the old west and in gangs and there's mistreatment/slavery and rude jokes about riding and–')

No. 2235811

>>2235756
>getting pregnant
I feel like the author likes this clearly want to write a story with women, but are too fujo-comed and afraid of writing women and thus give female physical qualities to male bodies without even realizing that it just makes them female with extra steps

No. 2235815

>>2235811
yes exactly and men irl who get bolt ons and bbls are also just female with extra steps, feminine traits = woman even if it has a penis and isn't some fantasy gender like futa

No. 2235818

>>2235738
no character in ff14 has enough depth or personality to really care about or analyze, they're all just empty tropes. ysyale in particular was the annoying mary sue waif trope so i don't care that she died, at least picrel is cute

No. 2235830

>>2235815
there's a difference between bolt-on surgically added accessories and a character becoming pregnant. If you have a male character who gets pregnant, they are no longer male

No. 2235838

>>2235694
As another genshinfag, I'll sign this. I don't even look for content of my faves anymore, because they're simply unrecognisable. Either their character gets completely butchered or they've been transed. It's really one of the worst fandoms I've ever been in.

No. 2235886

>>2235694
>Every single character is bound to be mischaracterized and flanderized until there's nothing left
You can’t mischaracterize something that has no character.

No. 2235926

>>2226499
They do exist but they’re either usually treated as joke characters you’re supposed to make fun of/are seen as unattractive or the sexy bimbo type that’s also made fun of sometimes. An example of the latter is that cow from Bunny Maloney.

No. 2235932

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>>2226499
There’s a couple of scenes like that in Venture Bros and always loved it when Brock would get uncomfortable.They should’ve gone further,tbh. wish I could show the actual clip but it wouldn’t post

No. 2235939

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>>2235654
>One side of the fandom is coomer scrotes making the same 3 unfunny jokes ad nauseum
>The other side is incessant moralfagging
Most of my favourite media's fandoms are basically just this.

No. 2235943

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This is grooming, this is emotional incest and i don't care if you disagree with me.
If it was shounen ai then it would have been okay but theyre literally reading or talking about 18+ yaoi together…nah that's gross.
Its nice to be supportive of your kids hobbies and interests but there are some boundaries which shouldn't be crossed.

No. 2235951

>>>2234052
>is it mainly that the people who make these "bastardized" interpretations aware that they're being inaccurate and are just having fun with how they THINK a character "should've been" written, or are most people rather bad at understanding characters straight from canon material?
It’s mostly the latter, a lot of people mistakenly believe headcanon to be true because they over analyze what’s there or misinterpret it. I do think there are people genuinely just having fun with their headcanonsbut the amount of people who have the need to justify it as “possibly canon because the author didn’t say no” like the retards who insist that nobody is confirmed straight for example is pretty high.

No. 2235955

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>>2226499
Natsume Ono did it in Gente.

No. 2235957

>>2235943
I knew a girl in my class in highschool whose mom let her borrow her Viewfinder volumes and then that classmate would let us borrow them from her, I was the only one who found that weird as hell so I kept my mouth shut. The mother was into bl in general so god knows what else she recommended to my classmate.

No. 2235963

>>2235681
I've never met anyone who didn't love Lois, everyone I know irl who likes the show thinks she hilarious just like the other characters, so maybe I only met normal, sane fans, thank god.

>>2235654
It's very general but I hate when you like a series of video games and the games are similar to each other while still feeling distinct and a lot of fans will sperg anytime they talk about a series because one game is so much worse/better than that one other game. Especially applies to Final Fantasy when I got into it long ago, Fire Emblem, SMT/Persona. And I hate whenever people compare Persona 4 to Scoobydoo it's so fucking annoying I can't express how much it pisses me off.

No. 2235972

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>>2235676
It’s not this one but it’s a good example. I haven’t read Chainsawman but from what I’ve heard of Makima it’s hilarious how people couldn’t handle her, especially when villains like Joker are given a pass despite his crimes. It’s just another one of fake performative feminism like when female love interests are turned into lesbians to get out of the way of whatever pairing (Korean yuri fans call it “leftover yuri” lol)

No. 2235990

>>2235737
>>2235791
Its as you said, a fading fandom. No new canon content. If the fans really wanted to they could glom around fan-made portal mods/levels as a source of new 'canon' but they don't.

No. 2235994

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No. 2235996

>>2235972
Your picrel isn't the same problem though, it's the "well if a female character did this–" rhetoric while the post you're replying to is addressing the kind where people objectify female characters into just a coomer trope to simp while ignoring their character altogether, which is far more insulting in my opinion. At least the people who hate female villains can be ignored, but the "oh I love her she's a total dommy mommy I want her strap oohhh mommyyyy!!!" crowd gets in everyone's face and only adds to the pointless, gratuitous sexualization of female characters.

No. 2235997

>>2235943
in past generations it would have been daughters reading their mother's copies of Clan of the Cave Bear of Flowers in the attic. I wonder if it's actual yaoi or just BL.

No. 2236002

>>2235943
>>2235997
Judging from the wording, it looks like daughter is the BL fan who's roping her mom into it.

No. 2236022

>>2235943
Man I wish my mom was like that, do you think watching movies with your parents that have sex scenes in them is "emotional incest" too or does it only apply to BL?

No. 2236038

>>2235997
This doesn’t feel that different from moms and daughters reading A Court of Thorn and Roses together to me

No. 2236054

>>2235997
Why would anyone read the incest book with their children?

No. 2236057

>>2235943
Thinking on it, isn't it considered more of a normal bonding type of thing for men? Sharing adult/more mature movies with their sons?
It's incest if it's between women, it's teaching a son to be a man with men kek.

No. 2236065

>>2236057
I fucking knew it, I knew at least one fujo would defend this with "but what about men"(fujo bait)

No. 2236068

>Spergs have like three different containment threads to cry about fujos and even that's not enough
Absolutely obsessed

No. 2236070

>>2236065
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of men, not defending it, this makes it sound like you posted it as bait.

No. 2236077

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>>2235676
found it

No. 2236091

>>2236070
Thats not me retard.
>>2236057
You..do know we are on lolcow, out of all places you want to play the "but what about moid" card when i think they are
equally disgusting creeps for that, stfu freak.
>>2236068
Sounds like projection, sorry you took weirdos sharing 18+ media with their children as something personal.(infighting)

No. 2236098

>>2236022
>5 minute random surprise sex scene in a movie that makes everyone awkward in the room

Is apparently the same as:

>a comic where there are sex scenes every third chapter and the smut is explicit ans majority of time is dubcon, comic made for the sole purpose of fapping.


There is some darwin awards level intelligence in this thread.

No. 2236111

>>2236077
This is partly because Tumblr fandoms tend to be female-dominated, and most women are straight, so it makes sense that they would get attached to the male characters.

No. 2236112

>>2235996
Sorry about that, I had a brain fart there. My issue with that weirdass phenomenon was that even then, those people will only accept “safe” versions of their supposed dommy mommies.

No. 2236116

>>2236091
Why do you think it's a "but what about moid" when it's clearly pointing out that both are gross? Is that how your brain works?

No. 2236117

>>2235943
My friend was discussing explicit AOT yaoi fan fiction with her mom, and yeah I thought it was a bit weird KEK

I think the term for this would be “enmeshment”

No. 2236121

>>2236111
that's not the point though, it's the bizarre, almost feminine characterization of male characters while ignoring female characters that people have issues with

No. 2236148

>>2236121
Even more bizarre when the male character is a blatant misogynist, I’ve noticed that with the rapist from Mouthwashing but at the very least I’ve seen support for the female character there.

No. 2236154

>>2236121
>feminine characterization
what does this even mean?

No. 2236160

>>2235943
It's definitely strange but calling it grooming and emotional incest seems a bit too exaggerative.

No. 2236162

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>>2235791
AYRT
After Portal 2 was released in 2011, a lot of teenage girls had a crush on Wheatley, probably partly due to his VA being a popular British comedian (picrel). Because it’s weird to lust over an eyeball robot, people gave him the Bill Cipher treatment and drew him as a human who often looked like his voice actor. From what I understand, human Wheatley was like the Onceler before the Onceler.

I think the picture here >>2235737 is just someone’s cursed inside joke, not a centaur AU.

No. 2236163

>>2236077
This post isn't about the ridiculous mommy dommy sexualization phenomenon though? To be fair maybe I'm just consuming the wrong kind of media but I haven't seen a lot of female characters have relatable crying fits and meltdowns because female rage is still a taboo subject in most media and they're often canonly written to be the stable ones with both of their feet on the ground. I remember when Turning Red actually portrayed it and the movie was relentlessly lambasted and nitpicked to death at worst and simply ignored at best and that was only a few years ago. Sometimes I feel like these kinds of posts are just trying to cope in a world where female characters aren't allowed to be truly flawed and open for development by attacking other women for being drawn to only male characters instead of actually taking note that most mainstream media is still very male dominated despite all the crying about muh woke DEItization, of course you're going to be exposed to mostly discussion about said mainstream media. I'm not saying there isn't an issue of fans biased towards their male blorbos but two things can be true at the same time.

No. 2236166

>>2236154
I don't get it either, ehat exactly is feminine? Being emotional or something?
I genuinely wonder what male characters are considered "masculine" but still "for women".

No. 2236172

>>2236154
>>2236166
I presume anon is assmad that someone called her macho husbando "babygirl" or something.

No. 2236184

>>2236160
its not grooming but it is very weird to read porn with your mother and that can count as emotional incest

No. 2236192

>>2236163
the point is that most popular media doesn't have relatively complex male or female characters and the over-analysis of male characters is annoying to some people, I want you to name me an actual complex male character who deserved his level of autistic projection

No. 2236199

>>2236148
>I’ve noticed that with the rapist from Mouthwashing but at the very least I’ve seen support for the female character there.
It's because thankfully a lot of people have noticed that bullying works, spergs have been forced to learn how to tard wrangle themselves around a female character without the usual beating around the bush arguments. But there were definitely fix it fics for muh yaoi babygirl Jimmy that made Anya keep the baby. kek slowly but surely one day this problem might be resolved

No. 2236224

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>>2236163
>>2235676
NTA but the only thing I found was this. I think there might’ve been discussions about it in previous threads iirc.

No. 2236233

>>2236192
You fail to understand that A) the brain processes sexual attraction to characters first before it evaluates anything else and B) female sexuality entails humanizing the object of attraction. Women even do this in real life assigning good qualities that don't exist to males they fancy. When they are not attracted to a character and need to signal that they're "good feminists" or something, they'll just take their pointers from the people who actually are attracted to people like Makima, i.e. males whose sexuality involves stripping the object of their humanity and objectifying them. Ergo, mommy dommy shit.

No. 2236253

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>>2236154
They might be talking about the people who like to “female/mommy-code” male characters like when people use male characters to project period pain. I remember the discourse over this jjk dude being called female representation. Correct me if I’m wrong but apparently he’s supposed to be misogynistic at that lol, what.

No. 2236263

>>2236253
This is just evolved kinshit. Tbh I'd rather they project femaleness onto a fictional male if it soothes their schizophrenia rather than the alternative (projecting maleness onto themselves and trooning out because they relate to a male character).

No. 2236270

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>>2236253
>Correct me if I’m wrong but apparently he’s supposed to be misogynistic at that lol, what.
The guy you're talking about is Geto and he's not sexist. But maybe you also saw some people talking about another character from the same manga, he's Naoya, 90% of his character is being sexist, especially with his younger cousins Maki and Mai, and 10% is worshipping his older male cousin who's so cool, masculine and strong and has a pretty face to the point where he looks gay as fuck. I've seen some people saying there's a funny contrast between him being a deranged misogynist and him talking in a cutesy Kansai ben that feels equal to him talking in a valley girl accent in English, or him wearing a n old fashioned hakama but dying his hair and wearing earrings, but they don't take it as seriously as Geto fangirls insisting that Geto might as well be a woman because technically his superpower is similar to mpreg.

No. 2236287

>>2236270
Wait I forgot the most important argument with Naoya but spoilers because he's not in the anime yet he gets killed with a normal stab wound so he comes back as a curse, and he looks like a giant vulva in this form. And then he evolves again and looks like a giant uterus. While screeching that one of the main girls will never surpass him because he's a retarded jealous bitch. I think the actual shit takes will be posted once the third season will start though.

No. 2236295

>>2236270
Thanks for clarifying nonna. I don’t think I’m interested in knowing more about that power lol.

No. 2236322

>>2236295
>I don’t think I’m interested in knowing more about that power lol.
kek his power is like what SMT playable characters can do but when you think too hard about it it gets a little disturbing. I won't go too into details though. He wouldn't be too out of place if you put him in Sweet Pool now that I think about it.

No. 2236325

>>2236224
KEK this is painfully accurate

>>2236263
Yeah anons armchair this behavior to embarrassing levels, most of it is just projecting into their blorbos and using them as comfort characters and that's about it. Agree that this is a way better alternative to trooning out and trying to become male.

No. 2236334

>>2236263
>>2236325
you know this is literally the beginning for most modern tifs, projecting their own biology onto male characters, thinking male characters are like them and then transitioning

No. 2236338

>>2236334
Theyre making the male character a woman, not the other way around. The fact that they use words like "woman" and "female struggle" shouod tip you off. TIFs hate acknowledging their womanhood.

No. 2236384

>>2236192
Does Yuu from Seraph count? Though that's more because if taken at face value he doesn't make sense at all… Though I also like Shinoa as a complicated and spiteful female lead

No. 2236398

>>2225758
>>2225765
At least we had Mr Garrison showing his delulu when he became in TIM.

No. 2236401

>>2225758
I could've sworn there was an episode like that.

>>2236338
And I thought yaoi couldn't possibly be the reason for braindead tifs but here we are. I think anon's point was that kind of projection could easily go south, in this generation anyway.

No. 2236462

>>2235738
I have a soft spot for Estinien because I've played DRG since 2.0 and seeing my job quest NPC become a prominent character in HW was fun.

No. 2236575

>>2236462
They made him retarded in Endwalker though

No. 2236666

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>>2236575
Oh absolutely.

No. 2236677

>>2235994
>>2235818
>>2236462
He literally looks like a tumblr sexy man and you just know this man is unwashed. Look at how oily he looks even in the muscle pic. Nasty.

No. 2236698

>>2235737
Why do people enjoying humanizing non-human characters so much? Is this an attempt to make them more "familiar" and relatable?

No. 2236708

>>2236698
it's fun

No. 2236723

>>2236698
In the case of wheatley it's to make them fuckable

No. 2236852

>>2236677
I’ll clean him with my tongue.

No. 2237153

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>>2235654
Yes, laugh at me for being a Genshin player but the absolute single thing I cannot abide about the fandom isn’t the lolicons, isn’t the racism, isn’t even the incels, but this specific genre of ‘WLW’ in bio ‘transfem’ who goes around on Twitter telling real female fans that they’re ‘misogynists’ for feeling uncomfortable with oversexualised stripper designs. These are essentially just ‘cis’ straight men not only telling women to shut up and take their rampant sexism and pornography addiction lying down, but using feminist rhetoric to do so. It makes my blood boil.

No. 2237157

>>2235943
It’s definitely ‘weird’ but don’t forget that scrotes have viewed handing down their hidden porn magazine stash to their sons as a hilarious family ritual since time immemorial, so I don’t really give a fuck unless men stop doing it first.

No. 2237162

>>2236224
>People obsessed with men
What a funny way to word it. Do they mean regular straight women? It sounds like they’re trying to turn singular attraction to men into some kind of identity that they can create a slur for kekkkkkkkkk anyway yes I’m obsessed with men and male beauty and yes I’m obsessed with seeing men naked and buttfucking each other and seeing their hot sweaty bodies going at it. What are you going to do about it, picrel-chan? Send me to a reverse conversion camp? Cry harder.

No. 2237165

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>>2237153
not a gachafag but I understand, when I was younger and was into the owl House, I came across so many degens and troons who sexualized the female characters and seemed to despise the only male character because he got in the way of their lesbian ship and called little girls misogynistic and sexist because they liked him

No. 2237210

>>2237162
Off-topic but why do I only see comments like this on LC? Like why don't I see people like this going after actual Twitterfags?

No. 2237223

>>2237210
What's the point of arguing with them on twitter where they'll just send their underage followers after you

No. 2237226

>>2237210
AYRT, we can’t say the quiet bit out loud but if you have a keen eye you can learn to spot us amongst the class of fujos who are aggressively thirsty over men. No fake ‘wahhh girlboss women’ crap: just pure, unadulterated male ass, cock and bod appreciation. Bonus points if the poster is non-western, extra if non-western SEA or CN/JP/KR (as they’re even less likely to be gendies).

No. 2237230

>>2237226
Samefagging, and we never add any of this extra shit onto our thirsting. Gendies will always feel the need to subvert their male thirsting because of their internal guilt over being heterosexual by adding some word sludge like ‘his pussy’ or ‘I’ll scissor him’. A great example was that ‘I’ll show Shibuya a real incident’ twitter meme that went around a while ago, kek. No gender implications, no vaginal mentions, just a horny cocksucking joke. That’s generally the kind of signalling you should look out for.

No. 2237238

>>2237165
What character are they even talking about? It’s been a while since I’ve seen it but Christ, aren’t there literally 2 black characters with any sort of prominence with one of them being a child? That sort of rambling sounds like Lily Orchid.

No. 2237242

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>>2229711
No, I wasn't talking about the imagines, but the character re-writes that are being passed off as "headcanons" these days.
For example, this art meme. It says
>draw this character in your style and/or with your headcanons
as if headcanons changed the canon apperance of characters (unless it's like, a book character with no defined canon appearance, or a character that's only mentioned but never seen on-screen). That's not what a headcanon is, at all. That's taking a canon character and making an OC with it. Not only are headcanons not supposed to be undisputable gospel, but they shouldn't contradict what's already established in canon. It's like the current generation of fandoms are incapable of getting it.

No. 2237244

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>>2237238
hunter, the brooding, edgy elf boy who also wears a mask

No. 2237253

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>>2237244
Kek, don't remind me of the hunter hate, the trannies were seething so much over this dude and that girls were fangirling over him so much and not "paying enough attention" to the canon lesbian couple.(they were, but you know damn well for these guys it's never enough)
The seethe over him being redeemed and not killed off coming from these guys is so good.

No. 2237254

>>2237165
Men seething about women and girls being heterosexual but not for them.

No. 2237256

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>>2237230
>A great example was that ‘I’ll show Shibuya a real incident’ twitter meme that went around a while ago, kek. No gender implications, no vaginal mentions, just a horny cocksucking joke.
KEK, NTA but I just looked it up. Based.
Note how it's always scrotes (tranny or not) that chimp out whenever women aren't indulging in male fetishes, and instead openly talk about their own preferences completely without caring about moid opinons.

>>2236253
>male character is written to face struggles that women usually deal with more than men
>female character-coded
Tranny logic. Shouldn't they be celebrating that a male character has traits that are stereotypically associated with women, instead of doing these mental gymnastics to convince people of how this male is totes actually female?

No. 2237257

>>2237230
>A great example was that ‘I’ll show Shibuya a real incident’ twitter meme
I will never get over how it made so many of the male fans seethe and pretend that Gojo/Geto/Nanami fangirls saying these characters are fuckable are as bad as shonentards retweeting NSFW art of Nobara and Maki everyday.

No. 2237258

>>2237257
I haven't seen the seething, please share some caps if you can, kek.

No. 2237259

>>2237258
Twitter is so broken I'm not sure I can find these tweets again but I'll try.

No. 2237264

>>2236192
I feel like this is really fandom dependent tbh. People will care more about the male characters in media that is male-dominated, whereas they will care more about the female characters in media that is female-dominated. For instance, people over-analyze the female characters a lot in Arcane. This is because Arcane has female characters that take on a dominant role as the main characters in the story. Compare it to something like Breaking Bad, which is heavily male-dominated and the female characters are just side characters, people would usually over-analyze Walt or Jesse or whatever.

No. 2237275

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>>2237238
>That sort of rambling sounds like Lily Orchid.
It's by him, also related. he once got a female publisher basically cancelled with his rants, so author christie holden wrote a number of tie-in books to video game series, including assassin's creed and world of warcraft and was living her best life and also writing her own vampire romance novels. and this moid (who claims to be a feminist lesbian) didn't like the fact that the female characters had romantic relationships with men and he accused her of being a racist (because she got the facts wrong about arab and warcraft fantasy culture wrong), a misogynist (again, because she supposedly didn't handle her female characters properly), a pedophile and a fetishist (because a 20 year-old male character fell in love with a middle-aged female character). she had to turn off her account for a few months cause of this

No. 2237278

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>>2237275
samefag, here's him just admitting he got banned for a while for harassing her

No. 2237438

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Can anyone who plays Call of Duty explain what's going on with the fanbase? I thought it was a moid game why is there suddenly a billion they/them Wilbur Soot people writing yaoi fanfics about them knotting eachother on the battlefield? It's become a huge thing on TikTok (and fanfic websites too) for the front page to be full of OC art and stories written the exact same way as the old 2016 1Direction wattpad classics. And I mean that. Right down to the "I put on my messy bun and mascara and my mum sold me to Ghost to pay off her debts" opening chapters

No. 2237444

>>2236698
fuckability (to add to this, some people are shy in displaying their infatuations and try to make them more 'normal' and palatable within their social circle by humanising the design) and also lot of people can draw a passably decent animu bishie, but drawing a monster/alien/robot/whatever is beyond their current ability (especially when it comes to conveying emotion and character/poses, much easier to just turn it into a bedazzled human)

No. 2237451

>>2237438
iirc, it's a fandom based almost purely off of tiktok posts, rather than people necessarily being into the actual game at all. Blew my friend's mind with it when I asked him how many fics he thought the Ghost character had on ao3 kek when we were chatting about it because of a tangentially related topic (a stalker romance book about a 'masktokker' lmao). I think it has that unhinged wattpad quality because there's either not a lot of canon content to spin into fic or the fandom isn't interacting with it in general, so it was never really on the rails and has just spiralled into fandom/kink tropes.

No. 2237452

>>2237438
A popular artist started drawing what is, to her credit, pretty damn good erotic art of Soap (scottish guy) and Ghost (skull mask guy) and it all blew up from there. She has like 40-100k likes per fanart. Umikochannart or something, I think it was.

No. 2237453

>>2237438
there was a tumblr post about this, basically there's a whole genre of misc media that girls got into because our brothers or dads introduced us to it, that said none of these really play the games, i'm pretty sure , it's still 90% men

No. 2237476

>>2237451
Reminds me of HLVRAI, a jokey Half-Life roleplay stream that somehow attracted a lot of fujoshis who weren’t into the original game and shipped the streamers’ meme versions of the characters.

No. 2237534

>>2237452
Oh shit, that's the artist who drew that pic? Danm, she's crazy skilled. I thought it was a gay man, kek.

>>2237476
Is that where that Tumblr sexyman guy comes from? Benry or something.

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>>2237534
>Is that where that Tumblr sexyman guy comes from? Benry or something.
Yes kek

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>users on r/a03 are 50 times more likely to use r/asexuality then the average reddit user
interesting

No. 2237568

>>2237562
Autism is a beautiful thing

No. 2237576

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>>2237438
There’s always been CoD yaoi and fangirls, at least since 2007. There was a famous doujinshi about the characters of mw2 called Defective Dogs. There is a new wave of zoomer fangirls because of the reboot. There’s the tumblr side and the TikTok side, though the tiktok side is more about the thirst traps and edits than the actual characters. Last summer the husbando threads were nothing but Ghost and König. miss it tbh

No. 2237579

>>2237576
>There was a famous doujinshi about the characters of mw2 called Defective Dogs
Kek, I just looked it up and damn, it was indeed pretty popular. It's on Suruga-ya I like this yaoi doujinshi genre of military male characters being raped, seems it used to be more popular back then.

No. 2237582

>>2237579
I never quite understand why the japanese are so obsessed with Western militaries, like they don't even have their own army

No. 2237587

>>2237582
Probably because their media doesn't feature the Japanese military that often, but a lot of western media features modern western soldiers.

No. 2237588

>>2237582
I don’t know but Defective Dogs was pretty funny. One of the plots was Ghost getting stung by a bee in his balls and he had to make Soap suck the venom out.

No. 2237590

>>2237588
porn addict humour

No. 2237593

>>2237590
You have no joy in your life if you think that isn't hilarious.

No. 2237594

>>2237579
>genre of military male characters being raped
Since there's no plot to actually make a story out of when it comes to games like COD it's always entertaining to see how fanfic writers try to naturally insert gay rape into their story off the top of their head because it's never normal circumstances

No. 2237597

>>2237594
What? Gay rape is already a feature of militaries, you don't need to do a lot of legwork to make it work.

No. 2237600

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>>2237590
It’s more of a fujoshi set up but whatever. I misremembered, it wasn’t a bee, a snake bit him.

No. 2237601

>>2237600
KEK WHAT THE FUCK

No. 2237602

>>2237601
Honestly the whole read is funny, I glazed my eyes over the actual explicit parts.

No. 2237615

>>2237600
superior nippon humour

No. 2237617

>>2237600
Jesus Christ kek

No. 2237647

>>2237594
AYRT, the other series I saw this kind of doujin made for were Hetalia and that poor MGS imitation called My Life With You. There were several original BL manga of around that era with the same kind of plot (military rape), too.

>>2237600
Kek. The translation is pretty decent. Apparently people also sold the translated version.

No. 2237652

>>2237582
>like they don't even have their own army
Well that's the problem. The LDP really really really really wants to re-militarize. And since they've been in power almost continuously since 1955 they've had plenty of time to poison the media with military propaganda so that young people become positively fixated on the military, just like they do in the US.

No. 2237663

>>2237582
Not japanese but military anime men are hot, simple as

No. 2237788

Kek she has that fakeboi vocal fry for days

No. 2237793

>>2237600
>this is what fujoshis consider "good writing"(baiting)

No. 2237795

>>2237793
I'm sorry but this is art

No. 2237799

>>2237793
no fun allowed

No. 2237800

>>2237793
You lack the IQ to understand this. If you can't read between the lines to see the emotions conveyed in the middle panel (surprise, reluctance, yet overridden by a sense of concern and duty to his comrade) and understand how they progress to the characters exploring each other's depths then clearly you need to go back to lower level reading like Tolstoy

No. 2237810

>>2237800
Nta but honestly I don't understand the character's motivation, why wouldn't you want to see someone die like that?

No. 2237813

>>2237810
Their love is just that strong.

No. 2237819

>>2237576
am I the only who finds these military soldier guys kind of scary looking?

No. 2237889

>>2237819
It's a bit scary, especially with the way that artist renders.

>>2237793
It's not supposed to be serious, and I'm not a fujo but I found it funny. Don't like, don't read.

No. 2237974

>>2235943
>This is grooming, this is emotional incest and i don't care if you disagree with me.
okay so first off you clearly don't know what incest means. and secondly, how is the mother supposedly grooming her daughter here? influencing her into becoming a fujo, god forbid? kek. like >>2237157 mentioned fathers have been gifting sons their collections of playboys and hustlers, later on even video tapes, as sacred coomer heirlooms like a retarded coming of age ritual since the dawn of porn culture. but no one's really addressing that as a problem even though it's something that, unlike yaoi manga, does in fact victimize people, namely the women who are exploited by said porn magazines.
furthermore i think there's little to no difference between parents watching a movie or tv show that includes lewd and/or sex scenes with their kids and showing them a book or in this case a manga that also includes the same sort of content. and the first happens all the time, assuming it's not some insanely graphic shit and that age restrictions are followed etc (which by the way, aren't age restrictions on movies and tv there for parental guidance purposes to judge what's okay for the kid to see or not? typically age restrictions are lowered if you go with a parent to the cinema, for example, for the sake of the kid's safety which is then supposedly not at as high of a risk or whatever. so wouldn't a mom reading some bl along with her daughter probably indicate more parental control/monitoring of the content to the benefit of the girl's safety?). i'd say the latter is actually more appropriate in comparison to the first since real people aren't showed and so whatever sex stuff that's possibly going on is presumably not as explicit. i wonder if you or someone else with the same view would react this way if the mom and girl were watching something like game of thrones together? idk the age of the girl in your screenshot but she looks old enough to read some bl/yaoi without it somehow harming her. unless they're actually sitting there gooning together, this is at most just awkward and a little weird. goes without saying that if the context was a dad instead of a mom and daughter anything like this would obviously be a whole different story.

No. 2238050

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>>2235654
I'll share my answer to my own question. What I hate the most about the FNAF fanbase is honestly the sheer amount of gendietards, including TIFs. Why are the so many fucking gendietards and TIFs in here? Why do they like drawing top surgery scars on William like they wish he was a biological female? It's so gross to me that of all characters, they picked the fucking child murderer to project their TIF shit onto. Like seriously, Aidens want fucking William to rep them? I'm so tired of going through fanart of the human characters and finding surgery scars on the males. The majority of FNAF's core lore takes place before the 2000s even started, and specifically in the state of Utah of the USA. The odds of this nigga being a tranny supporter is less than 1%. Come the fuck on, he's more likely to be a faggot than a tranny-lover or a tranny himself.

No. 2238079

>>2235654
I'm black and I hate race swapped fanart, especially if the "artist" make them ugly. And I've noticed it's always the dumbest characters getting swapped, like what are you implying?

The 90s was a high point for #black# characters and I fear we will never see that again

No. 2238246

>>2238079
Same here, I’m starting to dislike race swapping as well. I could’ve sworn it didn’t use to be like this before, anyone else remember the race swap art of the Disney princesses? Like, people get so twisted over characters that aren’t even human having different skin colours ffs. It’s sucks too because some people actually put effort into it and it’s still an interesting concept.

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>>2238246
tbh the Disney race swaps were about "what if this Disney movie was set in this different country/culture" current race swaps are just making characters black for brownie points. If someone made this edit nowadays people would be screaming about making Tiana anything other than black when it's not about making the characters the most oppressed races possible for "diversity" but changing around things for fun without any other consideration

It's kinda like genderbending vs redesigning and calling characters trans, the former was made for fun, now it has political intention

No. 2238268

>>2238259
these race swaps actually require took effort to adapt the art style, most of the twitter race swaps are way too hyper realistic with features, so that they come across as a racial caricatures

No. 2238274

>>2238268
On that note, why do woke twitter artist feel the need to shove in as many stretch marks and body hair as humanly possible? Hadn't these people learn that less is more? You can just imply it but that's racist I guess.

No. 2238284

>>2238079
personally as a black woman i love race swapped content and always have because it gives me inspiration for cosplay especially when they give them curly hair or braids. I think Twitter just ruined it because twitter ruins everything. People pretend to not understand why black people who like anime would want a character that looks like them. How many white girls love sailor moon because she is also a blue eyed blonde? MANY. How many white people love FF series because the characters look like them. MANY!! My sister who dgaf about anime even bought me a race swapped sailor moon print because "it looked more like me". As a person who has liked anime since i was a child and I am now in my 30s I geniunely thought anime would be more diverse by now. Especially after seeing anime like FMA with major characters being white. Its actually insane how much content has regressed since I was a child and I actually pity black girls nowadays all we get is Carole from Carole and Tuesday as new anime rep. . The rest of our anime rep is from older series with usually one off characters. You can say "well black people should make their own things". they are right now and I cant wait to enjoy them. Black women are barely represented in media and when we are its met with EXTREME pushback by everyone. Most black representation in anime,video games and all around nerd media goes to the black men. Hell most customizable black hairstyles are black MALE hair styles. Black women get nothing or like maybe 1 character if we are lucky. So if I see a black female version of a character I just assume its a black woman who just wants to feel represented by the things she loves and leave her alone.

No. 2238287

>>2238274
>>2238274
maybe you just follow artists that are making fetish content disguised as representation. Because non of the race swapped characters ive seen has stretch marks. They usually just darken the skin and add a fro.

No. 2238307

a lot of ethnic groups barely get rep in anime, idg why the discussion is always focused on black people specifically not having a lot of representation in japanese media

No. 2238320

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>>2238307
Neither, I think everyone of any race and ethnicity should have media that they can connect with, but I feel like anime is viewed through a American lense and I think the current amount of black representation in anime and manga is pretty expected because of the population, I wouldn't be mad at more black women in anime but this is media made by a group of people who are xenophobic towards other East Asian let alone the rest of world. Arguably most "white" characters in Japanese media is just a Japanese person with eurocentric features (or hair eye/colour in media with characters with rainbow hair, I don't think Satoko from Higurashi is supposed to be white and I certainly don't view her as such)
Like for comparison I'm from Australia and we don't really have any African representation nor do many people expect it because we really don't have the population size for it, you're far more likely to see Australian Aboriginals and Arabic people as a result of the general population.

No. 2238322

>>2238307
Yeah I don't get representation anywhere and my ethnic group is always confused with completely unrelated ones all the time even in the news, politics, when people try to be racist and call us the wrong names half of the time, etc. Even when SJW try to care they get it wrong and try to justify themselves instead of looking things up online. I can't bring myself to give a single fuck when other minorities complain that they're represented everywhere but not in that one specific anime in that one specific way, unless if it's to complain about absurd shit like the recent light novel with a main character being from Latin America and whose first name is Latina.

No. 2238335

>>2238307
maybe because black people are just more vocal and we speak out when we see blatant favoritism and racism. From my experience other minorities see themselves in white and asian characters. And barely call out lack of representation until they see black people getting represented. Then suddenly its "where is our stuff too why is it only black people uwu" It happened with black panther. Latinos came out of the woodwork to complain same with Miles Morales even though he is afro latino. Its not black people's fault that when we see injustice we call it out no matter if people get pissy about it.

No. 2238345

>>2238322
>>2238335
when black people get represented in anime its 9/10 a literal minstrel show up until very recently. thats why it was called out. Black artists also often do race swaps not to be dickheads but to prove that it is not hard to draw black people in the anime style.9 It is not our fault other races dont take their minstrelsy in media seriously enough to call it out when they see racism and harmful stereotypes but instead turn it into a joke themselves because they dont want to be seen like those "woke blackies". TLDR fight for your right to be represented in media. Black women wouldve never gotten Carole and Tuesday if we werent vocal about our love for anime all over social media..

No. 2238347

>>2238345
>Black women wouldve never gotten Carole and Tuesday if we werent vocal about our love for anime all over social media..
No, the director is a westboo and tends to write actual characters and not stereotypes so it would have happened either way with this guy.

No. 2238351

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>>2238345
Isn't Carole and Tuesday in the Cowboy Bepop universe? I haven't watched Bepop in ages but I feel like Carole and Tuesday would have happened anyways.

No. 2238357

Being entitled to be represented in some foreign cartoons from a country that isn't even historically connected to it much is just weird to me imo. It would make more sense if there was a bigger number of filipino characters in anime than black, latino, etc.

No. 2238364

>>2238345
>It is not our fault other races dont take their minstrelsy in media seriously enough to call it out when they see racism and harmful stereotypes
You must have read my post a little too fast because I said I don't get any representation AT ALL in anime. How could anyone take something that doesn't even exist seriously? The other examples from my posts weren't even from pop culture but about how info about my ethnic group isn't even accurate in the news or actual studies. And you're talking about anime but you should focus on the root of your problem, either manga or light novels, because most anime are just adaptations of established series. You're just one person so it might not work but if you really care you should try to financially support manga with representation you see as accurate or respectful, advertise them by, idk, posting about them online for instance, so they can get an adaptation later. And hopefully by a good studio but that's another issue entirely.

>Black artists also often do race swaps not to be dickheads but to prove that it is not hard to draw black people in the anime style.

They're not nearly as visible as the 14yo white American SJW who uglify is that even a word Black characters on purpose when drawing them because "muh representation" means that ugly people are participating in the oppression olympics to them. Which brings me to this >>2238287 I'm sure the anon you're replying to was talking about when "artists" make a character Black and then make them as ugly as possible because they don't want to give too many unattainable eurocentric beauty standards expections to Black people. I'm not sure how things are now but that was a huge trend before the pandemic.

No. 2238372

>>2238357
Eh, burgers
>>2238322
>the recent light novel with a main character being from Latin America and whose first name is Latina.
Kek that's so dumb it's endearing

No. 2238383

>>2238284
>How many white girls love sailor moon because she is also a blue eyed blonde? MANY. How many white people love FF series because the characters look like them. MANY!!
i think they just like the shows and characters, lol.

No. 2238396

>>2238357
This is such an american mindset too I'm american, but it pisses me off. "Why arent there ore xyz in Japanese anime?" i dunno, nimrod, probably because it's Japan and they dont give af about representation like americans are obsessed with.

No. 2238398

>>2235681
I grew up watching MITM and never met anyone who hated Lois. Both parents and kids liked her from my experience. It show cased how unreasonable a lot of the sons were, especially Francis.

No. 2238400

>>2238396
all i am going to say is when anime was created it was inspired by western animation AKA DISNEY which is AMERICAN animation. During that time Disney was still depicting black characters as racist charicatures so obviously when Japan became more globalized and inspired by animation they would depict black characters OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL as minstrel characters. Black people saw this and kept seeing it and wondered "If you are going to represent us try not to be racist af about it" To which some artists have obliged. I no longer care to be represented in anime as I just follow and subscribe to black artists and support them directly. I just need for when anime to finally depict black people to not use imagery from the fucking early 1900s

No. 2238402

>>2238400
>to not use imagery from the fucking early 1900s
they rarely do it anymore though…

No. 2238404

>>2238402
yeah because black people complained and showed them how to draw them correctly using RACE SWAPPED CHARACTERS

No. 2238407

>>2237256
The way scrotes seethe about women being into Nanami is just calling themselves out. It's too hilarious.

No. 2238409

>>2238345
what >>2238351 said, watanabe is a very rare exception, he is both a westaboo and a japanese marxist who, unlike the vast majority of japanese manga/anime authors, who basically appropriate western aesthetics, actually seems to understand western culture and complexity beyond its aesthetics and his works often include his politics

No. 2238416

>>2238383
lol yeah, tbh I don't really get this idea of whether you're represented in some fashion within media being integral to your ability to enjoy and relate to it/its cast of characters in general. when I was a kid I certainly didn't favour media that was 'for' me or reflected me, and as an adult I love enjoying media from all over the world by and about people unlike myself. the only media I struggle to relate to is ironically stuff that's designed with self-insertion in mind kek

No. 2238417

>>2238404
Were they doing that up until mid-late 2020? Because that's when raceswap art got big. I'm not going to deny that Japan has racist depictions of black people, dakkon-chan comes to mind, but I'm skeptical of the supposed reasons you've presented that changed the landscape of anime, a form of media made by a country that notably dislikes outsiders with a few exceptions in the westaboos and international history autists.

No. 2238422

>>2238400
>>2238404
they draw black people like that because the little black sambo is huge in japan, and the more normal looking black characters are typically done by japanese artists that like western media and are clearly inspired by it like kohske. my hero academia black edits haven't influenced shit

No. 2238433

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>>2238345
>wah why doesn't my ethnic group that makes up 0.0001% of the population in Japan get more representation!?
>[provides example]
>no not like that!

No. 2238447

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>>2238079
I like them if they're not ugly or meant to insult/attack anyone. I really don't care about the anti-woke debatefags' arguments about muh representation bad and "blah blah blah it's woke" because they always end up bashing innocent black people regardless. Nothing is harmed by drawing a cute black girl version of some character or editing a picture except some racist sperg's feelings. I also don't mind it being done the other way around, unless (again) it's ugly or done as an insult/attack. Interestingly, people only ever seem to draw black characters white because they want to attack others and get into a slapfight, not because they want to reinterpret the character's design in a different culture or anything fun like that.

>>2238259
I'd like to see edits and fan art like that with more characters, but people are too dumb and hateful to have fun anymore.

No. 2238478

>>2238357
Colonizer mindset except instead of through force it’s done through guilt tripping kek

No. 2238490

>>2238357
>America and Japan
>not historically connected
>anime
>not historically connected to America
Anon, don't be a retard kek. I'm not American and even I know this.

No. 2238494

>>2238490
is Africa connected to Japan?

No. 2238497

>>2238494
Is Africa a country?

No. 2238504

The only countries getting representation in Japan are France, Germany, Italy and Britain, they don't give af about the other whites either, maybe 1 or 2 short scenes with a huge murican moid talking in weird English, but that's it (plus the reason they chose those countries isn't exactly nice and woke either kek)

No. 2238507

>>2238504
I think they only like the UK because of the Victorian/lolita aesthetic, but France is legit very romanticised in Japan. Apparently there's a syndrome for Japanese people who go there and experience culture shock because it's not as great as they expected.

No. 2238516

>>2238507
there was an academic article I read some years ago that addressed this, but basically japanese don't have an idea about france after the 1700s century and even the time frame they are familiar with is not that accurate either, there are stories of japanese people going to france in the 60s and and being dissatisfied that it was just a city, instead of people wearing crazy fashion or being disappointed the french aren't wildly sexual

No. 2238517

>>2238504
Russian/half-russians are kind of common too.

No. 2238519

>>2238517
But more for the blonde look, not so much the language and setting

No. 2238520

>>2238517
but with japanese fathers

No. 2238523

>>2238504
> they don't give af about the other whites either
Wrong, sometimes you'll read something or watch an anime and suddenly a guy who suspiciously looks like Mads Mikkelsen will appear. Here's your Danish representation.

No. 2238524

>>2238523
give me three examples

No. 2238525

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I'm assuming the black anons talking about the anime representation thing are American, so what does Africa have to do with the anime discussion? If we want to look into it, there is some historical connection that continues into the modern day between the two re: trade and the like, and there are enough Nigerian and Ghanaian people living there to account for a population of blasians like Mendy Sakiguchi, but I don't think Africans care that much about Japanese anime/pop culture. /pol/tards are so weird.
There are also the half-Japanese half-Congolese children that Japanese moids killed and/or abandoned after impregnating the women there while on "mining trips", but that's a dark aspect of history. Reposting to spoiler

No. 2238526

>>2238307
idc what anime i'm watching they're all speaking japanese and they're all japanese to me

No. 2238532

>>2238507
It’s funny, I knew a Japanese girl who visited France she said she was shocked that Japanese pastries you can buy in the subway were better than the ones she had in Paris

No. 2238534

>>2238525
do you expect every type of ethnicity to be shown in anime? would you also demand representation on a cartoon from any other random ass country? Japan is not America where it's expected of being multicultural country and it is kind of odd you're being whiny over a mostly homogeneous country

No. 2238536

>>2238534
? I didn't say any ethnicity "should be shown" in anime. It's just weird to bring up Africa when it's irrelevant to the entire subject kek, take your meds and stop projecting.

No. 2238542

>>2238540
Literally, they are cartoons.

No. 2238543

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>>2238504
>>2238517
reposting from another thread, "white" people in the vast majority of japanese media are people who are culturally japanese and have dyed blonde hair, but that's as far as it goes, white people in most manga/anime are just japanese people in white face

No. 2238545

>>2238523
Just on top of my head, and this also includes vidya but Mads Mikklesen himself was in Death Stranding and Hideo Kojima has a gay crush on him, one of the rapist yakuza in one of Scarlet Beriko's manga and I dropped the manga because of him he looked far too realistic compared to the other characters and it cracked me up everytime he was there so I couldn't take the story seriously anymore, and Nanami from JJK is like 1/4 Danish for no reason and he's still naturally blond with an exotic face and high cheekbones despite being younger than Gojo, you can already guess why. Speaking of JJK, still related to other anons' point, there's a plot point that there are a lot more sorcerers in Japan than anywhere else for reasons explained later but we still have:
>a Kenyan(?) guy who just does his thing I'm still not getting over him showing up in the last arc, doing nothing, calling Gojo racist and leaving kek
>some white guy with a French name who's always with him
>a half American, half Japanese girl who has powers because of her American dad
>a French weaboo who's also Gege's self insert so he assaults his editor as soon as he shows up on screen for the first time
>who tf knows where Mei Mei and Ui Ui are from at this point, I sure don't

No. 2238546

>>2238545
Wait I wanted to quote >>2238524

No. 2238551

>>2238523
Same as here >>2238519
Now it no longer is as extreme but in the 80s to 00s so much that wasn't about school/slice of life/magical girls was set somewhere in central europe (often castles) and had characters of those countries and sometimes even the entire thing had names in the language of those countries

>>2238543
That's not what we're talking about tho, have you seen something like Trinity Blood? There were many with clearly everything and everybody set in the "main" european countries

No. 2238557

>>2238551
I said most japanese authors, there are exceptions like watanabe

No. 2238561

>>2238557
samefag, kek at using at fucking trinity blood as an example accurate western representation by japan

No. 2238564

>>2238557
Everybody can tell an actual white character from a japanese character who happens to have unrealistic hair, skin and eye color, anon. Black people want something like >>2238551 to happen for them too, something in which black people are the important main characters and not just a joke on the side.

No. 2238576

>>2238543
Agreed, Japan definitely likes aping white aesthetics (especially historical ones), but they don't exactly sideline themselves.
It's the same way a lot of hapa women seem to become models or actresses, but it's also not uncommon for them to be bullied and treated like outsiders. I think an interesting analog is how in the US, Doja Cat has talked about growing up getting bullied for being half-black by all the white kids in her neighborhood, and still gets seethed at by racists today, but also became a world-famous American pop star for her skills crossed with her looks. I doubt it means Japan "worships" white people/culture any more than the US "worships" black people/culture (ig genuine interest/fascination that might veer into fetishization/commodification if overly shallow are better descriptors). I think most people like what's both familiar and different.

No. 2238582

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>>2220304
>>2220320
>>2220324
During the early 2010s, Null's old (girl)friend revealed to an entire forum of people chatlogs where he admits to masturbating to 'neko shota'. He goes onto corroborate these messages by giving the context of "I was 14 and thought I was gay", picrel is what I'm describing since one nona asked for receipts. To be honest, I'd argue he's done more questionable things that not many people mention, since 'neko shota' waaaay more memeable by a long shot. The one that I'm thinking of is when he wrote a vore fetish story for the same gal pal he knew, involving her being an elementary schooler eating people.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that Null, and to a larger extent kiwifags, primarily seem to hate anime culture and its obnoxious fanbase and project that in the form of hand-wringing over 'problematic content' in fiction. In other words, take what he and other kiwifags say with a grain of salt.

No. 2238586

>>2235654
Can't narrow it down to a single one, there's just too many. The coomers, lolicons, trannies, both left and right wing extremists, posers, autists who don't know how to talk to people, retards who call anyone who doesn't agree with everything they say and doesn't want to jerk off to the characters a tourist…I pretty much just want to enjoy things solo now because it's so rare to meet a fellow sane person into the same things especially when you're in fandoms with a high percentage of scrotes and genderspecials. Applies to most of my favorite things unfortunately

No. 2238589

>>2235748
Yeah, fandom police and anti/pro wars are insane. I blame the Voltron fandom for spawning this.

No. 2238590

>>2237256
>i would've unzipped nanami's pants and showed shibuya a real incident

fucking kek

No. 2238606

>>2238582
so this is why null is still childless and unmarried despite being a tradfag, he's a closeted homo like all retvrn moids

No. 2238626

>>2235943
yaoi is just a gay cartoon soap opera i used to watch cringe mexican soap operas with my mom that were way more raunchy, and they were also sexist to top it off

No. 2238638

>>2235654
i have so many grievances with mine but if i had to summarize the single thing i hate most about it, it would be that it got coopted by hollywood and turned into something very different from the original media, and became a whole franchise like an MCU, all of which influenced the fandom and general perception of the media in question very negatively. that and that it's full of retarded racist moids.

No. 2238642

>>2238589
I'd personally argue that the worst of fandom culture goes all the way back to Supernatural, those lunatics were SO parasocial compared to other fandoms at the time.

No. 2238647

>>2238383
This, plus the blonde hair was because she's from the moon, not because she's meant to be white or whatever. Wasn't silver hair considered too?
Anyway, this push for self insertion and having characters look "just like me" seems unhealthy. I see kids cartoons nowadays push this idea and it always comes off as such cringe literally me ebony darkness dementia way every time, the idea of creating a character that isn't just you seems like it's getting more and more unpopular, and discussion has suffered as a result since people literally cannot understand enjoying a character as a separate person that doesn't reflect you.

No. 2238650

>>2238642
No joke I can trace three different troons in my old social circle back to Supernatural fandom. One of them even named herself Sam after the Winchester brother. SPN fandom is legitimately unhinged in places.

No. 2238667

This talk reminded me of the recent discussion about dandandan and how black culture was carrying anime, despite the show being about yokai and Japanese urban legends like "turbo granny" and the human faced dog, having shinto rituals, traditional japanese fashion, and historically white aliens like the Flatwoods Monster and playing white classical music.

No. 2238670

>>2238667
Apparently in the opening Momo did a dance similar to Rihanna so now ddd is black culture now according to twittards.

No. 2238681

>>2238667
I attribute this all to typical Americentrism. People accuse white people of doing this but American blacks are no different. They (as in Americans of every sort) cannot comprehend that other countries are not as heterogeneous but also do not have to cater to their needs to representation or to tell "their stories." If Japan wants to tell a story about nothing but Japanese kids, then that's their prerogative. There are more south Asians in Japan then there are black Americans and Africans but for some reason these are the groups of people that NEED to be represented in anime, and unsurprisingly have had more depictions than said south Asians

No. 2238685

>>2238681
Why are you dragging Africans into your retarded cartoon fight? Are you a South Asian? Kek

No. 2238793

>>2238606
He's in a domestic abuse type situation with his true and honest wife, that being Kiwifarms herself kek.

No. 2238806

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>>2238307
On one hand, I don't expect it too and ideally, I want very little rep from anime (only if it's cool and aesthetic). American media, I have higher expectations. Either a well-written developed non-stereotypical black female character or nothing at all. Like I hate seeing ugly ghetto charterers in fiction. Imagine growing up with ugly minstral art in your media because everyone else on earth loves that slop. Or how every black token character is always a black male, and any raceswaps with him is never addressed and people don't mald as much over it (pic rel)

TL;DR good rep or no rep, i never want to see ugly bad rep

No. 2238817

>>2238685
Because another anon included them in the black rep talk earlier when the complaints are almost always from black Americans

No. 2238852

>>2238817
You mean >>2238534? They were randomly complaining about "representation" in response to a post stating Africans aren't involved in the whole thing even if they do have some connection to Japan, but no one said there needed to be Africans in the first place except them and you. This is a weeb burger (and ig South Asian) grievance.
Next, you'll be pretending people say Russians "need" to be featured in anime and it's unfair how much representation they get when they never even asked.

No. 2238859

>>2238647
i think it evolved out of not wanting to write a badly written character and the resulting cringe you get from reading it. The whole idea of staying in your lane is very popular

No. 2238863

>>2238793
We all know he's staying chaste for chantal, waiting for his queen to realize he's her prince charming that can fix her

No. 2238867

>>2235748
Worse yet is the weird radqueer advocacy shit that keeps cropping in "proship" spaces. There truly exists no middle ground anymore.

No. 2238873

>>2238867
I mean was it any surprise that proship discourse would lead to MAP advocacy?

No. 2238882

>>2238582
>Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that Null, and to a larger extent kiwifags, primarily seem to hate anime culture and its obnoxious fanbase and project that in the form of hand-wringing over 'problematic content' in fiction.
100% true and accurate. A lot of them are straight out weebs in denial trying to fight the urge, and you can bet most of them masturbate to the most degenerate hentai out there, then go on KFs to tard out about how much they hate all these freaks.

No. 2238938

>>2238882
Kek, it's very true nona.
Not long ago ANOTHER dm chain involving the site's coomer scrotes and their momson fics got leaked to the greater public. Really does make you think, eh?

No. 2238947

>>2238938
NTA but KEK, where can I read those?

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No. 2238989

>>2238882
dont forget about that underage girl who used to send nudes to random scrotes and they all kept it a secret to keep farming nudes from her

No. 2239057

>>2238989
And that was just allowed? What the fuck?

No. 2239471

>>2228911
muscle isn’t a male only thing lol
>>2222857
all those actors and they still sound like shit
>>2238582
I always knew he was a faggot

No. 2239667

>>2238852
and all you did was focus on how I included Africans. I'll calm my Nepali ass down if you calm your Djibouti

No. 2240217

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what is with wokies on twitter sexualizing what are clearly young male characters(often, straight up children) and wishing they were butch lesbians, I have seen the words "transmasc butch" and "forcefem" in those mentions and it gives me such a creepy feeling, reminds me of tims and tifs who sexualize young children

No. 2240218

>>2240217
he's not a child though, he has an adult body. are all pretty males without beards children to you? Are you the same person who said women who are attracted to 20 year old men are pedos? kek

No. 2240221

>>2240218
I'm talking about this phenomenon in particular, where I've seen 13-year-old anime boys described as "butch coded"

No. 2240225

>>2240217
That's not even a twink. Atp straight people and retarded women use twink to supplement the word faggot

No. 2240244

>>2240225
I actually think it's just an online socially way to say you like non-obese, fit males, because if you actually say you like fit males, you're accused of being a fatphobic fascist.

No. 2240250

>>2240217
ah yes cause children look like gymbros with abs and big pecs and biceps. be for real. now the forced tranny shit i can agree is problematic.

No. 2240257

>>2240221
At least some of it is because these people generally only consume childish media with casts that don't get older than 16. People also fixate on over-categorising their interests– you can't just find Character A attractive, you have to specify and list out that it's the transmasc butch energy of Character A's design that you're cooing over (or whatever other niche internet poisoned categories need be applied). Because of how a lot of these labels are treated in online spaces, I'm not sure if the people doing this even realise that they're applying a sexualised lens to a character that might be inappropriate if you think about it or don't see trans stuff as being divorced from sexuality. Basically, they're blind to how this stuff can look to normal or critical people outside of their bubble.

Your picrel seems to be people who were hoping for a tif (likely for rep reasons, gotta see yourself in all media after all) when they saw the non-beach/summer design for the character, then felt 'let down' when their expectations were foiled by the shirtless design not leaving room for that 'headcanon' anymore/denying them their representation. Some of them are also of course expressing their interest in a fetish, but they'll usually try to dress it up in more palatable terminology.

Moving away from your original question about sexualisation, a lot of people in fandom spaces (as loosely as you can apply that, anyway) these days rely on a 'first glance' impression of a character as their entire understanding of said character, then proceed to apply headcanons to that and get shitty/feel betrayed once canon reveals more of the character that disproves those things. For whatever reason, the idea that it might take eg an entire show to convey all that canon has to say about a character rather than a promotional image or introductory scene has fallen out of vogue.

No. 2240262

>>2240217
I often mirror the idea that most media would be improved if all the characters were female or secretly female. No' in a fetish way, more like I have such low empathy for scrotes that watching them filters the genre unavoidably to chimp nature documentary

No. 2240266

>>2240262
>or secretly female
tif ass comment

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>>2240250
I'm not saying that specific character is a child, but I've seen it happen with characters who are children (and even irl people). picrel are the examples I was talking about

No. 2240380

>>2239667
That's because I don't disagree with the rest of what was said. I'm just saying it's dumb to bring in Africans because they're unrelated. It's just a way to attack all black people without reason
>I'll calm my Nepali ass down if you calm your Djibouti
Kek

No. 2240555

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do you think this is true?

No. 2240579

>>2240555
No. And that's a very weirdly specific tinfoil. Highschool bullies collectively decided to 'invade' fandoms during the pandemic? wtf.

The internet is more mean because of the inventions of smartphones which gave normies internet access and social media platforms now host ALL fandoms, enabling anyone to interact with them, instead of the old days when we had our own specific websites and forums dedicated to our hobby/fandom/whatever.

No. 2240586

>>2240555
They’re 100% correct. Cancel culture has always been a thing within fandom spaces but these newbies who joined only made it worse. Back then, you didn’t have people trying to sanitize the behavior of these communities and at worse it would just be deemed as cringe, but now you have these moral brigaders policing everyone left and right and witch-hunting/doxxing anyone who goes against their personal values.

No. 2240591

>>2240555
No they were always cringe but I do agree normies have been too exposed to the retard side of the net and they should fuck off

No. 2240636

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>>2240555
this is the video they're referencing

No. 2240642

>>2240555
It's more that fandom in general became more of a social normalfag thing rather than being about enjoying the content.
A good amount of people nowadays find it too difficult to read a book by itself without following as many people as possible and reading nonstop ooc fanfiction that they don't even like. Rather than something central people have fun talking about, the original source material is nothing but a chore. These people being annoyed and complaining about the original content make those that were there for that annoyed too. Downward spiral, basically.

No. 2240755

I miss when people had real passion for the fandoms they were into, no matter how cringe it was. Everyone just consumes and consumes, maybe occasionally drawing some awful raceswap to virtue signal. But what happened to creating for the sake of creating? Like, being actually inspired? What happened to songs/remixes, elaborate AUs, animation collabs, group projects, etc? Everyone's too focused on proving a point and fighting instead of having fun with the source material

No. 2240826

>>2240555
No, all that happened is fandom types became more insane. Someone could probably do a writeup on how BLM/2020 era woke politics negatively affected fandoms too honestly. These people just want to blame normies because they're perpetually thinking about their highschool Vietnam war flashbacks. The only people sperging out and making callout posts are fandomtards who got even more radicalized and terminally online during covid. If anything it's shut-in autists using fandom as an opportunity to live out the highschool bully experience they never got to do.

No. 2241294

>>2240555
The high school bullies invading theory is just cope, how couldn’t they consider how rabid fandoms were back then, like Homestuck fans? Bronies? Anime fans in general? The ones calling for cancellations and whatnot were the kind of autists you’d see on tumblr and DeviantArt journals calling each other out, it was completely out of sight most of the time. It only feels like fandom has gotten “meaner” because people have mostly congregated to the same space and unwillingly interact with each other, the places where fans of each fandom like forums and live journal aren’t active as they were before. COVID made things even worse, especially for people who’re already shut ins.

No. 2241321

>>2240636
Samefagging but this person is definitely generalizing it too much, it’s not as if everyone was on tumblr. I’m not even sure what sort of discourse she’s referring to, it’s too vague and it’s not like fandom was a hivemind that collectively agreed upon things and were there to witness said discourse being quelled between each other. People were even mocking tumblrites back then and theorize that twatter got worse because of them after the porn ban. That normie kid was likely picking on her out of insecurity to hide being an anime fan like a lot of people did back then, I feel bad for her but that was a pretty normal thing.

No. 2241464

>>2240555
it's definitely not true. i think niche fandom spaces used to be kind of confined to their own forums and shit and remain unseen to everyone that wasn't looking for them. but now they're available to literally everyone since everything's shared on like 3 or 4 big social media platforms. and everyone is chronically online now, including normies and your grandparents etc.

No. 2241842

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Can someone spoonfeed me why games like the SH2 remake and that Mouthwashing game have such strong fujo/female fanbases that seem to live in a reality completely independent of the content of the games? I've only played the original SH2 and at no point did I find James to be a sympathetic character, but the recent fandom around the game keeps woobyifying him and turning him into this sad little pathetic kitten who was a victim in the murder of his wife, pic sorta related. Did the remake make him more sympathetic or something? And regarding Mouthwashing - I've seen so much cutesy fanart of the Japanese guy or the female character living happily ever after, but I seriously cannot stomach the game's premise for essentially being 4 men and a woman in a death scenario to even give it a shot. The fandom around it is so cutesy and I've seen fanart of these characters in sanrio costumes or being half-animal. I expect it from something like Genshin, but drawing a rapist with dog ears? Why?

I don't understand this recent obsession with taking interesting media concepts and sanitising to easy-to-digest fandom tropes. I might be a hater who can't have fun with fandom anymore. I just don't understand the point of being involved with something if you're going to be this ignorant of the source material.

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>>2241842
It’s just the current state of fandom. It’s literally all so bad. At this point no one gives a fuck about the og source and makes these images for attention/updoots. I imagine people who make those images are irony poisoned teens

No. 2242305

>>2240755
that sort of stuff takes too long to create and requires too much effort for the audience compared to simple images and short text. Also a lot of people don't want to expend energy on something they can't monetize.

No. 2242365

>>2240586
its more like fandoms went from being too afraid to tell pedos to fuck off out of fear from geek social fallacies to banning people for acknowledging biological sex, we went from one extreme to the other

No. 2242526

>>2241842
I also only know the OG, I think James can be seen sympathetically but moreso in the way the game shows his spiral and depression than over the fact that he killed his wife in a fit of moid rage. At least that's how I saw it…

Plus if the devs didn't want a sympathetic reading of him to exist they wouldn't have had the Leave ending in the game.

No. 2242604

>>2240755
Honestly, I genuinely think it depends on what you're getting into and what the main demographic of that fanbase is. As >>2241842 mentioned, I think stuff that's supposed to be "gritty, mature, and deep" tends to get a fanbase of zoomers that spend most of their time fighting others for their lack of "media literacy"which is every zoomers favorite buzzword right now and then fighting others either over pairings or characters someone likes. It's like a battle to be the "smartest" in the fanbase.

But when you get into things with long-term, dedicated fanbases, you still get those elaborate AUs, group projects, etc. Its incredibly rare, but there is still hope. I recently got into a fanbase and it's mostly populated by older people who still make AUs, create tons of fan projects, and are all about consuming and discussing lore of the characters. I think it depends on why everyone is getting into something and if that certain thing is trending. Like with things like Mouthwashing, its just the flavor of the month game, almost like what happened with Fear & Hunger where it just gets populated with zoomers. But when you get into games/movies/shows/etc. with a rich history, you find a much more grounded fandom.

No. 2242612

>>2241842
FWIW I think Mouthwashing is good if you ignore the fanbase. The rapist is the main character, but he isn't woobified or portrayed as sympathetic. The entire game is about how he refuses to take responsibility for his actions. The fandom around it is unexplainable, though. It just seems like one of those flavor of the month fanbases that'll disappear once the game's relevance dies down.

No. 2242934

>>2241842
>>2242612
It's the result of fandom brain rot and reading way too much fanfiction

No. 2243178

>>2241842
Edgy media attracts edgy teenagers.

No. 2243265

>>2241842
Because he's a moid and sadly that's the treatment moid characters get even if they've committed femicide. I remember the same thing happening with Life is strange, almost every moid character was a creep at best or a murderer at worst yet they got woobified, victimized and yaoi shipped.
I also think people don't know how to enjoy something without needing to indulge in fandom bs anymore. Silent hill isn't really suited for husbandofagging nor yaoi shipping, both things that fujos & co have tried to force into any SH tag. They should share the 'who ripped this fat vape in silent hill' memes and leave the thirstposting for their fanservice animu.
It has always mildly annoyed me how everyone treats SH2 as this 2deep4u psychological masterpiece when he just killed his sick wife because he was mad he wasn't getting his dick wet and the nurses tatas triggered him. The guy behind the monsters design is a huge disgusting coomer with a huge eroguro women folder on his Twitter

No. 2243871

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curious, have your tastes changed as you've gotten older?

No. 2244023

>>2243871
Definitely, some things just don't hold up. I lost interest in anime and kpop, and I think I've lost the ability to be legitimately attracted to 2D. Western fandoms have more staying power for me due to superior quality and relatability. One thing that stayed consistent is that I strongly prefer music fandoms - probably because I can only watch a TV series or read a book a couple of times, whereas I can listen to the same music over and over again without getting bored.

No. 2244079

>>2243871
In some ways, sure– I'll find something new that I'll stick with for at least a year, but I've also got 'evergreen' fandoms that I always turn back to eventually (they're the sort that have been around longer than I have and have regular new instalments, so they both stay somewhat fresh but also comfy with older fandom charm and contributors). I'm not a rabid participant in any fandom though and tend to be pretty sedate with only a scant few parts of fandom bleeding into irl/my public life.

My overall taste in media hasn't changed much though, but I think that is because I was into more adult-oriented stuff even as a kid and just aged into it, and I also wouldn't consider myself part of a fandom for most of the stuff I like, since there isn't an actual fandom for it kek. It's just stuff I enjoy, without the broader community aspect.

No. 2244170

>>2243871
Not in the macro sense. Pretty much never strayed from anime/2D stuff. Specific series I like come and go but I'm probably never going to migrate to something like MCU or anything.

No. 2244228

>>2243871
I've definitely become more mature and choosy with my taste, I just stop watching anything that's perverted, exploitative or where the creator was a degen

No. 2244239

>>2240217
I actually was super disappointed to find out that this character was a male because I genuinely thought we had a butch lesbian character for once. But it's never going to happen, is it?

No. 2245002

>>2243871
Not too much tbh. Not reading as much shounen anymore I guess but that's more to do with getting tired of too many weekly releases rather than a few I liked.
I have started reading lns more since it's much easier to ignore shit community.

No. 2245052

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This would be stupid but I never saw any really headcanon random char as straight

No. 2245193

>>2241842
>I've only played the original SH2 and at no point did I find James to be a sympathetic character, but the recent fandom around the game keeps woobyifying him and turning him into this sad little pathetic kitten who was a victim in the murder of his wife
I think one of factors may be new endings in remake. I said "new endings" but they're just suicide end with added scenarios or something

No. 2245300

>>2244228
When I was younger I was definitely more willing to overlook things or simply didn't notice them. For example, I have essentially banned Director Ryan Murphy from my life since looking back on a lot of things I used to like (American Horror Story, Feuds, etc.) it's actually very degenerate in how it handles female characters specifically. It's crazy how at the time nobody cancelled him for making an underage witch character have the special ability to murder people by having sex with them and pass it off as yas kween slay media

No. 2245376

>>2241842
>taking interesting media concepts and sanitising to easy-to-digest fandom tropes.
This phenomenon is called "babygirlification" and it comes from communities and creators enabling it. I remember 10 years ago trying to explain to my middle aged mother why following #SherlockBBC is showing her mountains of yaoi, cat boy headcannons, and fan comics of him being uwu, and not just discussion/updates about the show she liked. Then slowly, over time, the creators started enabling the behaviour and encouraging it by absorbing it into Sherlock. They did it with Doctor Who as well. That used to be taken quite seriously until it was co-opted by fags

No. 2245428

>>2245300
gay moids project themselves onto young women

No. 2245437

>>2241842
women express sadism and hatred of other women by living vicariously through violent men. same as women dating and helping rapists or violent men.

No. 2245476

>>2245428
Ayrt I'm aware of that now as an adult who has a better grasp of what I'm seeing. As a young teen I was already knee deep in fandom culture and hadn't really made the connection that kweer approved content (the most popular content at that time) was inherently misogynistic, like to VICIOUS levels. Ryan Murphy also directed a show called Hollywood which I seen in my late teens. This realisation clicked with me when the wife/gf of the main character was painted as a dull life ruining bitch for being depressed about her husband becoming a homosexual escort and having multiple gay affairs

No. 2245517

>>2240555
There have always been nerds who fantasized about being the bullies, and that's what they do in famdoms

No. 2245541

>>2243871
I have barely any interest in anime and vidya anymore and mostly gravitate towards novels and tv nowadays

No. 2245740

>>2243871
Not completely changed, expanded significantly. Some stuff I dropped completely, others I kept. I'm way more picky with the new stuff.
>>2245052
Well, they would have to headcanon that, given most characters are hinted as straight in media. I will give them that at least they are admitting it's a headcanon, and not being delusional and pretending
> It's totally canon, you all should be ashamed for saying otherwise!
Like I've seen some do.

No. 2246918

>>2243871
My taste in media has shifted the more older I got with the most notable thing is my decreased interest in shoujo and shonen anime/manga. There's a few a like, but as I consumed more live action content, the more I wanted to kill my younger self. SPN hasn't been the same after the ending but I still wished I watched it when it was hot.
A bit unrelated, but for the nonnas that grew out of anime, do you still read manga at least given the industry refusal to adapt more interesting stories?

No. 2246950

>>2246918
I do but I’m much pickier about what I do read.

No. 2247183

>>2243871
I feel like I used to care about shipping so much more when I was younger. Like I was a lot more passionate about it.

No. 2247273

>>2243871
I'm a lot pickier. I used to jump on fandoms for their popularity, but I basically never do that now due to growing distaste in the twitter fandom experience.
I still like the same stuff I used to, though. I still love shounen manga/anime and am active in smaller manga fandoms. For anything popular, though, I'll stick to the source material and JP twitter fanart.

No. 2247378

>>2246918
i've completely grown out of anime, and i try to keep up with manga i started reading years ago, some from when i was in middle school even, but i realize how bad the writing is now so it can be difficult.

No. 2247791

>>2243871
I have mixed feelings about food4dogs (btw she got into this stuff when she was already an old lady as a way to cope with an unnamed personal tragedy) because she's into stuff like Hyperdimension Neptunia and Trails of Cold Steel which elude the patience of most female fans of JRPGS lol
Not mixed in a bad way, she just baffles me.

No. 2247838

>>2246918
>decreased interest in shoujo and shonen anime/manga.
This is shockingly uncommon. I was a huge weeb from 11 to about 18. I still see people nearing 30 that are exactly like 13 year old me. Anime/manga itself isn't inherently bad but at the moment it might as well be because you honest to god not convince adult me to watch shounen anything because I can detect cringe now

No. 2247907

Does anyone else think the people who headcanon characters as aromantic (projecting themselves a lot) are using that to hide being a yume? The way these people describe characters as being just like them or describing something about them that never even happened makes me think they haven’t even watched the show/read anything.

No. 2247932

>>2243871
In some respects yes, in others no. I'm definitely more into 3D moids these days: I can't even seriously get into a new husbando without picturing him in an ideal 3D form. Some artists are really good at toe-ing that semi-anime line though (not korean manhua artists, those are terrible; I mean those with styles like blue octopus or that one xiao x zhongli artist). Otherwise, I've definitely been more into the beauty of male Hollywood stars from the 1940-60s, when young men were equally expected to look as sleek and handsome as their female counterparts to sell tickets. 2D sadly just doesn't have the same kick to it in comparison anymore.

No. 2247934

>>2247791
Neptuniashit I get, but what's wrong with Trails? It doesn't look coomer/pedo to me, pretty average. I wanna get into it.

No. 2247935

>>2243871
I think I'm interested in the same tropes, themes, characters, etc. but I'm picky compared to when I was a teenager. I liked Naruto a lot as a kid and then teen, when the timeskip didn't exist yet in the manga but dropped the manga in high school during Pain's arc. But now that I think about it I think I wouldn't even be able to read the first part of the story again even for nostalgia's sake because I'd dislike it too much. There are manga I liked a lot and finished reading back then that I kind of want to read again just to see if I'd get a different opinion now that I'm 30 years old. As for anime, there are some I just know I'd dislike when rewatching them because of things I find off putting now but pretended weren't there, like the fanservice in Haruhi Suzumiya being stupid and ruining everything else. Something that didn't change is that I still tend to care about and like adult characters in manga and anime a lot more than the teenage main characters. I watch less live action series nowadays and don't remember the ones I watched before because they all got replaced by reality tv shows eventually and I barely have time to watch anything online so it's harder to compare. And there are novels I read long ago that I would enjoy more now if I read them for the first time today, like The Devil Wears Prada, because they would be a bit more relatable.

As for video games, I didn't play a lot of games as a kid and teenagers compared to what I played as an adult. There are so many series I wish I discovered earlier because I love them and know I would have been obsessed with them earlier. I started playing older Final Fantasy games just a few months ago and love them, and I feel like I missed out on something when they were even more popular. But video games are interactive so it's easier to ignore the parts I dislike in their stories or their characters as long as the gameplay is fun.

No. 2247956

>>2247932
NTAYRT, but lol, I guess I must have a little bit of autism then, considering I still find stylized characters attractive at my age, in the same way I'd have the hots for a real guy. Don't know if I should be worried.

No. 2247977

>>2247956
nta, but guess ain't much of a sperg kek. Semi-realistic anime styles are the closest I'd get to liking a 2-dimensional person because they look like men to my brain. Once they start looking more moeblob is when I can't register them as human anymore. I still like stylized content, but I always found that those who like uber cartoony characters to be a tad strange for my liking. Don't know why, just think it's weird. Or maybe most anime boys look like butch women to me, who knows.

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I just wish wokies could understand shut like picrel isn't racism, It’s two designs of the same character in very different animation styles and there is nothing wrong with either

No. 2248003

>>2247993
I can't tell which is supposed to be the good one, both look like shit.

No. 2248039

>>2247993
I'm pretty sure they're referring to how her fairly dark skin got bleached for the reboot.

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>>2247993
They look like different races kek the og design is black while the new design looks like a latina. Don’t think its woke to point out when black characters get redesigns and their race changes too for no reason

No. 2248060

>>2248059
The 1980 version is the cutest by far. What the fuck happened in 2009?

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>>2248059
I have such mixed feelings about Orange Blossom because I adore 1980-2007 and 2009. If only they were separate characters.
Ot but I won't forgive them for gender bending picrel for no reason and sucking away all her charm. And also the all trannies projecting onto her. It's upsetting.

No. 2248173

>>2248059
The 2023 version looks terrible with the orange colored hair. Should've just kept it black.

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I can't believe there are moralfags who say that shotacons and lolicons are both equally bad when shotacons are mostly women who aren't spewing shit like this

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Sorry but the update in picrel is absolutely fucking ridiculous. As if ZZZ gooners thought the right wasn’t sexy enough with the absolute bare minimum personality her model had before and felt the need to tweak it even further so that now she looks like a drugged out, spaced out sex doll with no thoughts going on upstairs. This shitty incel game gets me livid every time I’m forced to see anything from it against my will.

No. 2248179

>>2248177
*thought the left wasn’t sexy enough (I can’t be fucked to delete and deal with retarded 30 second rule not sorry)

No. 2248183

>>2248174
The shotacons that post here are just as disgusting, what are you even saying

No. 2248184

>>2248174
>women

the only people who i have seen compare those two have been baiting moids and yuripedos. No one outside of those two even thinks they are on the same wavelength especially with how badly moids are when it comes to separating reality from fiction and how the majority of molestation victims are girls.

No. 2248200

>>2248174
Anon, I’ve seen other women (poc or not that are K-pop stans, fujos, normies etc.), faggots and the like vote for Trump. Your fellow shotafags are not exempt either lol. I wonder if they’re all aware of the supposed porn ban.

No. 2248208

>>2248183
I don't see the shotacons here or anywhere else who cheer about womens rights being taken away or openly support a fascist like trump
>>2248200
Fujos, shotacons, and kpop stans aren't the ones voting for trump you retard, it's normie conservative women and nlogs

No. 2248221

>>2248208
Keep coping about it shotafag, some people are just that retarded unfortunately.

No. 2248225

>>2248221
I'd like for you to show me which shotafags are doing the equivalent of drawing trump raping underage anime girls, or which shotafags are literal nazis who support ethnic cleansing. Oh wait, you can't. You're just trying to find an excuse to hate women. This is another flavor of lefist moids scrutinizing kamala but not saying shit about trump.

No. 2248294

>>2248174
>Male lolicons: Actual nazis who want to abuse, torture and hurt prepubescent girls, will fry their brains with cartoon porn to the point they take it to real life and molest their nieces
>Female shotacons: Into young boy characters, admiring their cuteness and boyish features, respects their characters, not necessarily into NSFW content, doesn't molest IRL children, socially awkward nerdy women at worst
>But they're practically the same, guys!(shotasperging)

No. 2248296

>>2248294
No such thing as the virtuous pedophile faggot if you like little boy porn you're a pedophile regardless of gender

No. 2248297

>>2248296
Cartoons aren't real. This doesn't work for male lolicons because they can and will take it to real life, women won't.

No. 2248320

>>2248208
I guess you haven’t seen the meltdown on twatter over some jjk fujos and k-pop stans supporting Trump.

No. 2248327

>>2248320
Where?

No. 2248333

>>2248294
tim ass comment, just because you like little boys more, doesn't make you any less of a failed male degenerate

No. 2248334

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>>2248327
X formerly known as Twitter. Just search for K-pop/jjk trump supporters and you’ll find the posts

No. 2248338

>>2248225
>excuse to hate women
>what about the men do??? the men!!!
Why oh why is ”hating women” the default accusation over people not liking pedo shit? Men are naturally worse I agree but you’re hiding behind them anyway.

No. 2248351

>>2248333
Not everyone you dislike is a moid
>>2248334
Is this a hypothetical situation or did this actually happen
>>2248338
Female shotacons aren’t the ones advocating for lowering aoc, drawing hyper realistic porn, etc. If they aren’t harming living breathing children who cares.

No. 2248368

>>2248351
>Is this a hypothetical situation or did this actually happen
Yes. I forget which artist they’re talking about but one of the exposed ones was some cowboy gojo enthusiast who posted trump edits on their tiktok lol.

No. 2248389

>>2248351
And other women have the right to not like that shit, what’s so hard to understand? I’ve also seen a post of a shotafag here proud of the fact that Japan allows for fujos to make doujin based off real life child actors. Associate all you want with the kind of people who like that, I’m not stopping you.(fujo-sperging)

No. 2248390

>>2248334
This is retarded kek, how long are fandomfags gonna pretend it's unheard of for gays/fujos to be republicans? There were literally twinks for trump and furries for trump

No. 2248394

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>>2248068
Boy Plum Puddin is my personal favorite because i had the 80s picture books passed down from my mother, but they should have just split the character with Plum Puddin being the girl one and Plum Pie being her twin brother, ending the gendie nonsense and extending a theme of Pie being a boy name with Huckleberry Pie and the Purple Pieman.

No. 2248395

>>2248389
You have a right to, but don’t go around saying they’re child molesting pedo nazis like lolicons are

No. 2248624

>>2248579
The shotasperg here says it’s better because women don’t hurt real life kids I guess.

No. 2248628

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>>2220128
>>2248174
>>2248184
>>2248183
>>2248294
>>2248296
>>2248297
Can somebody explain to me (a person who is not well acquainted with anime/manga) why shotacon and lolicon are morally/ethically different? I've seen shota arguments on here before. To an outside observer (me and other non-anime watchers) both look like little kids. The only women I've seen confident enough to post shota where they can have their name/faces doxxed are gaydens posted to the ftm thread which are used to highlight the autopedophilic nature of that art in. Back in my day a huge horrorcow named Todokaris was posting about her love for shota and tweeting about being a pedophile. Every argument I've had with a moid on the topic of lolicon & it's ethics I have solidly believed they are coping pedos because they're pictures of kids. A picture of a kid is a picture of a kid, and I feel like the ugly man psyop thread and the husbando thread have tried to gaslight me into not making the connection between art of little kids being primarily something a pedophile would like

No. 2248639

Samefag as >>2248628 buy like
>>2248297
>drawings aren't real
That is literally what moids tell me when I argue that loli is an indicator of someone being a pedophile. Of course they're drawings, but what are they drawings of? I can see with my eyes what the drawing is in the same way I can read a story and say "a pedophile wrote this for pedophiles"

No. 2248645

>>2248628
Because women arent raping men, let alone boys. It's really not that deep. Women arent running children beauty pageants, putting little boys in sexualized movie roles, there isnt a pedophile culture affecting men that women participate on. Men aren't dressing up like Ciel and posing with randoseru for women to jack off to. Hate shotafags all you want, but comparing both is insane and denying how girls arent allowed to grow up without being sexualized unlike boys.

No. 2248647

>>2248639
To be fair shotas don't look or act much like actual children.

No. 2248661

>>2248628
Shotafags want to believe that they're different from lolifags when in reality they're not so they gaslight themselves into cognitive dissonance by framing it as "revenge on the moids!" Or "no woman ever harms a child sexually!" Or the worst one "it helps me cope with my sexual trauma " no pedophile wants to admit they're a pedophile it's why so many of their arguments are the same as lolishits "she/he doesn't act like a child just looks like one!" "She/he is a adult! It's just a petite/twink body" they're all statements of guilt.They're both the same side of the coin that facilitates the Japanese pedophile industry

No. 2248667

>>2248645
Ayrt I am aware that women aren't running around raping men but what I'm confused about is why that is a justification for consuming something on the same calibre as lolicon. Again, not an anime person, idk all the loopholes and nuance, I'm coming into this with a my bare minimum understanding that both loli and shota are pictures of kids and that I have only seen shota in the context of sexualised art by MAP gaydens. Time and time again I've seen similar topics come up in fandom discourse and I feel like there's a different understanding for it if you're someone like me who is of the opinion that kids shouldn't be presented in that context when it comes to art

No. 2248668

>>2248661
Anon you're on a site where the vast majority are into male ryona, I would get this complaint on twitter or something I just don't get why people make it on LC where degen fetishes are normal.

No. 2248671

>>2248667
Because women dont see shotas as kids, because unlike men we can differentiate reality from fiction. Same goes for stuff like reverse ryona or men being sexualized. It makes no sense to compare it to its female counterparts because women can clearly discern reality from fiction. Shota is nothing compared to stuff like dark romance that's waaaay more popular with women than shota.

No. 2248673

>>2248668
Being into children isn't a fetish though? It's a crime. I don't care for ryonafags aslong as their fetish involves a adult character.

No. 2248675

>>2248668
I would argue that degen fetishes and husbandofagging =/= pedophilia though considering a majority of that stuff I have seen posted here on the farms are adult male characters that are very visibly adults with adult features

No. 2248678

>>2248673
Ryona is also a crime though, murder and torture is a crime anon.

No. 2248680

>>2248673
Murder is also a crime and a lot of male ryona is that kek

No. 2248681

>>2248675
''adult features'' and then the husbandofag thread is a sea of dorito chinned men with no nose and gigantic fantasy colored eyes. Unless all adults where you live look like drag queen michael jackson those arent adult features.

No. 2248684

>>2248628
The login vs shota thing I'd a false equivalence, not because women molest children way less frequently, but because most shotacons are males. And obligatory 20 yo 3dpd guy is not a shota.

No. 2248690

>>2248671
I don't know what ryona is but I disagree with you on the point that people don't see shota as kids. They're drawn to look like that specifically the same way loli is. The appeal that style is that they look like kids

No. 2248693

>>2248684
>login
Kek

No. 2248694

>>2248684
>but because most shotacons are males
Most males self insert as shotas, they're not shotacons themselves.

No. 2248697

>>2248681
Ayrt they're not kids tho. They look like faggots I will give you that but they also have things like height, adult man shape, and canonical ages of being like 20+ and acting like adults in their shows/stories/games/etc.

No. 2248698

>>2248693
Forgive me I'm a phone poster

No. 2248699

>>2248690
Animus dont look anythings like real people though. I genuinely have no idea how people see anime as representation of real life when the average anime girl is the size of toddler and has gigantic bug eyes and pink hair.

No. 2248700

>>2248645
I’m sorry but I just had to say this, who the fuck do you think is making those little girls participate in pageants?

No. 2248702

>>2248681
Can we not? Have you ever heard of stylization? Is it a crime to draw someone a bit less realistic? Anime men may not resemble real people but if they give off that vibe then it doesn't matter.

No. 2248708

>>2248697
They arent real though. They have nothing in common with humans let alone 3DPD. Being attracted to an anime character is like being attracted to an orc or dwarf or some other mythical creature that might have human features but is not real and never will be.

No. 2248712

>>2248671
>women can clearly discern reality from fiction
Ayrt I am aware that women can do this but the thing about this is that if I showed a shota image to a normal average woman they would be uncomfortable with what they're seeing. Women can very tell the difference between reality and fiction, that is why when people say things like "loli/shota isn't kids" a majority of women say "yes it is because I can see it"

No. 2248715

>>2248681
And do the children where you're from look like drag queen mj?

No. 2248718

>>2248712
Normie women would think everything posted on LC is weird, I get the 'shota is bad argument' I just don't get why people on LC (or any other imageboard for that matter) have it.

No. 2248719

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>>2248708
>>2248702
>>2248700
>>2248699
Interesting whataboutism going on here. Sure… the character who looks and acts like a child is totally not a child and besides it's totes fictional! So we should just let you goon to little kiddie porn! Oh I meant ""stylized"" porn.

No. 2248722

>>2248694
Does it matter? They're the ones who sexualize children the most.

No. 2248723

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>>2248671
Nah, I’ve seen through that excuse

No. 2248724

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>>2248712
But that doesnt apply only to shota though. The anime style is so stylized the men look like women and characters like madoka magica often get called children by normoids. The point is that its stylized enough to not resemble realistic people. Pic rel some autist saying madoka looks like a 3yo.

No. 2248727

>>2248712
In my experience, people who don't know what anime is can't even parse whether what they're looking at is human half the time. They think it's weird because it's completely unfamiliar to them.

No. 2248728

>>2248708
So what I'm getting at is liking fictional things is a literal mental illness in a thread devoted to fans venting about the frustrations with fandom? I mean when you put it that way, that explains all the callouts and slap fights but it's still retarded to even think about. Sometimes somebody doesn't want to engage in reality, whether because of trauma or as a cope. Are you suggesting nonnas remain miserable until they die because "entertainment" is a waste of time? God forbid someone writes about fantasy, god forbid someone draws a unicorn lady, god forbid someone dares be creative at the ripe age of 25. We can't have fun now, gotta read on some russian lit to get drunk over and cry until you drop dead for the night.

No. 2248731

>>2248719
>the character who looks and acts like a child
What child looks and acts like this exactly?

No. 2248735

>>2248728
I have no idea how you got all that from my simple post.

No. 2248738

>>2248728
>Russian lit
They get mad about that too if you dare to enjoy it in a way that's different from what they deem acceptable. A couple months nonas were sperging about some of the characters in dosto's books and they come out of the woodwork to yell at them for that too.

No. 2248743

>>2248296
Whoa, I don't care.

No. 2248752

>>2248639
On the topic of "drawings aren't real", what would be an argument against comparing loli to stuff like gore? I do think that lolis are pedos, but if someone pulls the "do you think gore fans are murderers?" And "do you think video games cause violence?" How can one reply to that?

No. 2248755

>>2248731
stop posting

No. 2248756

>>2248727
I'm going to be blunt with you: if a child character is drawn as a child to represent that they are a child, people can see it because they look like a child. That is the purpose of drawing them as a child. It's so we can tell that they are, like how if I draw the ocean as blue. Does it look exactly like the ocean? No, but you know it is the ocean

No. 2248757

Gonna vent a bit but it's frustrating when an anon acts as if LC is full of shotafags when the average husbando post is Leon, the white haired guy that isn't gintoki or such.

No. 2248758

>>2248731
you are a paedophile

No. 2248763

>>2248758
I'm a fujo though, I don't actually want to fuck a shota myself.
>>2248757
Fujos are different from yumes.

No. 2248764

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>>2247993
>animation styles
I know it’s pointless criticizing colorism in this forum but still it’s obvious there was bias in Bumblebee’s redesign. She’s a hero who’s often a side character, but she was changed into this meek, shy main character and along with it they lightened all her features. And it’s not a fault of animation style. They made Catwoman, a thief(and villain in the show), into a sassy black woman with darker skin even when they didn’t have to.
Positive tropes surrounding lightskinned black women and negative tropes surrounding darkskinned black women have existed forever, and this show fell into that cliche. Deny all you want, this show already demonstrated it for you:

No. 2248770

>>2248752
If men, yes.

No. 2248772

>>2248756
So are pretty anime men with long hair women if a normie looks at them and says so?

No. 2248776

Can shotafag and anti shotafag people agree that furries are the actual worst though?

No. 2248777

>>2248776
No, furries are cool and harmless according to lolcow.

No. 2248779

>>2248763
Most fujos aren't posting shotas either, you're just… special.

No. 2248784

>>2248735
SA, I may have just overreacted considering all the realism autist in this thread.
>>2248752
People don't see a dead corpse on the road or personally killed someone while we see kids almost all the time. It's like asking if books about riding dragons turns someone into a dragon rider? that's impossible, so we're left with shota being weird simply because the subject is based on a real common thing. Same reason why zoophilia is frowned upon. Now I don't care what someone gets off to given they know they won't act on these urges, but the fact that they go out of there way to consume this stuff might raise a few eyebrows. For me, I don't like seeing shot's sexualized or paired with someone older but I ain't going on crusades to get fujos necked for a fetish, hypocrites and men are.
>>2248776
If they're fucking animals and shoving their weird fetishes down people's throats then yes, they suck ass. The fact that literal zoosadist get a slap in the wrist while a girl into sebastionciel is labeled a groomer tells you everything about double standards.

No. 2248787

>>2248776
Interesting you bring up furfags because they also give the same reasons shotafags give for shotashit for feral and cub..they're more alike..hmm

No. 2248790

>>2248787
furfags say that about shota then go fap to stylized animals so they are hypocrites

No. 2248793

>>2248779
Yeah because shotaposting is banned LC now, before that it wasn't really that uncommon in the fujo threads.

No. 2248795

>>2248752
Gore art doesn't make someone a fetishists. Eroguro does. A movie like Spirited Away depicting a tween girl character isn't loli but Made in Abyss is. The difference between the loli/shota argument and the violence argument is that loli and shota are presented in an erotic context so people can consume it for its sexual tones. Someone brought up ciel phantomhive itt, black butler isn't shota despite depicting underage characters, even when they had a blonde antagonist who was depicted as a rape victim it wasn't done to appeal to pedophiles because it wasn't creaged with the intent to make it sexually enjoyable for pedophiles, whereas shota is

No. 2248796

>>2248790
And also moralfag nonstop about shotacons while wearing diapers in public.

No. 2248800

The funniest thing is that the most vocal anti-shotafag in lolcow, one that claimed that liking shota makes you a pedophile kiddy diddler edgelord ended up being a shotafag herself topkek. At this point i don't believe anyone who's into animu can claim cartoons equal reality because they always end up being massive hypocrites themselves.

No. 2248802

>>2248795
Ok but male ryona is super common here which is specifically fetish content, not to mention that a lot of horror movies (both niche and mainstream) have obvious fetish content in them.
>even when they had a blonde antagonist who was depicted as a rape victim it wasn't done to appeal to pedophiles
Nonnie you're smoking crack if you think Kuroshit isn't 99% obvious fetish content.

No. 2248813

>>2248795
Do you even watch slashers? most slashers have sexualized deaths. Having a woman being killed while she's topless or vulnerable is a stapple of those genres.

No. 2248822

>>2248795
>Thinks kuroshitsuji isn't shota
Uhhh…lay off compium.

No. 2248828

>>2248822
>the most popular shota isn't a shota ackshually
people that started watching anime during covid always have insane copes

No. 2248841

>>2248813
Slashers could be considered similar to eroguro in a lot of ways, the main one of course being that they are intentionally sexualised. The Walking Dead is also gore but it's not presented with sexual undertones. This is different between trying to appeal to people's sexualities and not trying to appeal to people's sexualities.

No. 2248847

>>2248628
Not a shotafag myself but when it comes on whether fiction affects reality, it's partly whether or not you believe it so, like the placebo affect.
If you teach a child from the moment they are born that killing a character in a videogame is as serious as killing someone in real life, they will internalize that and seriously believe that that's the case. Then they get set free in a world where everyone is killing videogame characters like its no big deal, that's going to fuck with them.
If they then go and start killing, to them they just killed someone real and it was easy, fun, nothing happened. They have the connection that that is real.
So, regardless of what the drawing is of, I think it's a double edged sword to believe that it's as serious and as real as a real child or whatever because as soon as somebody starts thinking the drawing isn't worth any value they'll connect that to real children.

No. 2248849

>>2248776
Furfags have their own form of shota but instead of kids its cubs. Funny enough, even though its "just drawings" of "animals", I bet the average shota could still look and see that it's pedophile art

No. 2248851

>>2248841
You can't tell the intention of the author because we don't have mind reading powers. We literally have an insane anon ITT that thinks Ciel, the most popular shota alongside Len, isn't a shota.

No. 2248859

>>2248851
You can guess a fair amount of it by how a movie is filmed though
The woman usually has way more focused put on her running away and the deaths are usually more drawn out while the guy is usually just hit with an axe from behind to kill them off.

No. 2248865

>>2248847
To add to this, this is why a lot of serial killers came from puritist conservative families that damned them for doing things because it was morally wrong, maybe this sounds stupid but people shoving shota as real are setting themselves up for more women turning into either pedos out of or self hating suicidal people for liking otherwise harmless shit like genshin shota.

No. 2248866

>>2248859
Then how do you explain that anon cant tell the intention behind yana toboso even thought it's obvious to everyone else? a lot of men who are often praised for their ''non fetishistic'' approach to drawing women, like the samurai x guy and the guy behind utena, end up being sex pests. It's almost like you can't always tell what the person behind a piece of a media thinks, woaw what a revelation.

No. 2248878

>>2248866
>Then how do you explain that anon cant tell the intention behind yana toboso even thought it's obvious to everyone else?
Because they’re an idiot

No. 2248882

>>2248866
I'm the nonna who mentioned Black Butler and I know the story because I read it here on lolcow. The brunt of my anime knowledge comes from here and things that come up in cow threads. If I misinterpreted it as a non-shota, that's my bad, I'll take the L as I don't know it beyond what I read in an argument about how sequels are usually bad. I have no familiarity with Yana Toboso or his work nor do I have an interest in it because anime is for fags and shotacon defenders

No. 2248889

>>2248882
yana toboso is a woman

No. 2248890

>normalfag who is totally a nerd decides to drop in an argument
>when called out says its for fags anyway
Nerdshit becoming mainstream was a mistake.

No. 2248893

>>2248878
most people are idiots

No. 2248902

>>2248890
I am a nerd but not for anime. I wouldn't be in the random discourse thread if I wasn't a nerd who is interested in fandom discourse. That doesn't change my stance that anime is fags because I'm not interested in fanbase of tims and nonces
>>2248889
I'm genuinely surprised to hear that a woman is writing shotacon. Are they a woman or a "woman"?

No. 2248908

>>2248882
Why do you feel confident speaking about things you know nothing about. This is why the conversation around anime has been completely destroyed on this site, because of people like you who only look at screenshots of read hot takes and think that allows you to speak on something you've never engaged with.

No. 2248909

>>2248902
She's a fr fr biological woman. Honestly, with the way her art looks isn't it kinda obvious?

No. 2248915

>>2248902
what fandoms are you even in, the one for the minions and the office?

No. 2248917

>>2248902
Shotacon women isn't particularly rare as far as manga go, hell most twitter artists I follow will comment on how cute shota are when one shows up in shows despite otherwise 99% drawing adult men.

No. 2248921

>>2248908
The topic of the debate is how lolicon and shotacon are morally or ethically different. I took an example to make a comparison and the example was bad, but my point still stands that intention behind media makes a difference in whether or not it is fetish content. I don't know anime but I do know media and my confidence in my post was a misguided attempt at trying to say sex/sexual abuse can be depicted without the intent to appeal to pedophiles.

No. 2248930

>>2248921
>but my point still stands that intention behind media makes a difference in whether or not it is fetish content.
anon if you cant even tell the intention behind kuroshitsuji out of all things you might be too retarded to talk about this topic

No. 2248931

>>2248915
Ayrt videogames, books, and live action shows as opposed to animation. Mostly western productions for shows

No. 2248939

>>2248921
So the topic was about anime archetypes, a medium that you think is for fags and pedos straight off the bat and that most of what you know come from lolcow screenshots?

No. 2248942

>>2248930
in a thread where people are defending shotacon as non-pedophilic media and saying it shouldn't be viewed the way lolicon is I fear I may not be the most retarded. Not the least retarded but definitely not the most

No. 2248946

>>2248942
You dont even know what shotacon is if you cant tell ciel is a shota

No. 2248949

>>2248942
You can't even identify what shotacon or lolicon even is so nothing you say on the topic will ever make sense.

No. 2248956

>>2248939
You don't have to be an anime fan to be aware that anime fanbases are brimming fags and nonces. Being in fandom spaces puts you in proximity to anime fans where you can see it in full display

No. 2248959

>>2248956
and videogames, books, and movies arent filled with nonces? lmao at least in anime the degeneracy is drawn i cant imagine watching shit like game of thrones and feeling superior to weebs

No. 2248967

>>2248956
By the same logic, anyone can see that western animation is nothing but nonces, trannies, and furries because that's what I see online about it.

No. 2248970

>>2248959
You don't get it anon, when westerners do the same shit, it's deep and artistic, nothing like those yucky cartoons.

No. 2248971

>>2248959
I don't watch game of thrones because it's clearly moidish and written by a pedophile who wrote underage sex scenes, just like I don't watch shotacon because it's also made by pedophiles

No. 2248978

>>2248971
Wait until you find out about the Disney porn vault

No. 2248985

>>2248967
I've seen way too much disgusting shit about series like Star vs. The forces of Evil, Gravity Falls, Gumball, and Loud House.
No I haven't watched these shows but clearly lolcow screenshots and twitter are enough to show how nonce and child brained you'd have to be to watch these sort of shows.

No. 2248999

>>2248985
>>2248978
>>2248970
>>2248967
Can any of you explain why shotacon is ok despite being genderbent lolicon? You're very good at pointing out how western media is flawed I'm sure you can figure this one out too

No. 2249016

>>2248999
>Why are the black butler fans accepted but the lolirape simulator 1000 fans aren't??? How could they possibly be different???
I'll let you answer that one "Ciel isn't a shota"-chan.

No. 2249021

>>2248999
>tries to scurry back
Come on now, also I already posted what I thought in the thread. Reading other's replies might help with learning to consider the importance of understanding context.

No. 2249034

>>2248999
It's been explained several times already. Women can tell the difference between reality and fiction. Just like how women into horror are cool and dandy but i raise and eye brow when a moid is super into horror and dark stuff.

No. 2249035

>>2248793
Meanwhile loli isn't banned, proof farmhands are pickmes

No. 2249076

>>2249035
Actual lolicon? Or short women? Only asking because an anon yesterday was insisting a Ouran parody was lolicon content because the women were shorter than the very tall men.

No. 2249097

>>2249076
You can post sfw lolishit. You get banned for sfw shotashit. Farmhands are pickmes.

No. 2249100

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>>2249097
It's honestly really fucking weird how you can openly post about how you coom to oneeloli but a sfw meme edit of a character that isnt even a shota gets you redtexted.

No. 2249117

>>2249111
Check in the bad comics thread.

No. 2249124

>>2249117
Nvm I remembered which one was it. That was probably a juhi vendettafag because kek noone in that comic looks like a child
>>2249097
I dont know why you needed to lie about this when its global rules not to post sfw/nsfw lolishit/shotashit unless its related to milk. Also interesting >>2249100 you chose this because this post was made by a certain sperg that's best forgotten. Shotashitters are the reason for the recent raid too because it was clearly a banned retard trying to rile up shit for no reason

No. 2249129

>>2249124
Why does it matter who posted it? rules should apply to all users. If shota is banned so should loli.

No. 2249133

>>2249124
The rules say
>Do not post sexualized art of minors
But they put an sfw ban on shota in top of that and not on loli. Farmhands are extremely biased when it comes to rule enforcement.

No. 2249139

>>2249100
Iirc didn't they undo the ban on the my shota is too cute meme pic?

No. 2249141

>>2249139
They did and said in meta sfw shota and Loli is allowed now

No. 2249143

>>2249139
like a month later though

No. 2249146

>>2249129
>Why does it matter who posted it?
Because theres a certain type of vermin on ins called "baiters" and you clearly got caught
>>2249133
>no sexualised art of minors
Repeating my words back at me wont make your false statement go away. lolishit is banned here unless for proof

No. 2249148

>>2249146
>lolishit is banned here unless for proof
did you miss the oneeloli posts?

No. 2249150

>>2249146
If you don't use the weeb threads just say so instead of trying to gaslight anons about farmhands biases.

No. 2249154

Ngl the touhou does seem like it's a one way street, posting naked bathing characters but it's okay because despite the artstyle, "they're not loli" but when used for other things that reason doesn't count because "if they looks young then they are young".
Personally ERP uuoh erotic spam shit should get banned but other shit is just nitpicking tbh.

No. 2249161

>>2249154
I've even experimented before, reporting certain young anime boy posts with "shota" and certain young anime girl posts as "loli", only the shota report got banned and the loli report was ignored.

No. 2249166

>>2249161
The shota ban was pushed hard by a certain hypocritical personalityfag who defends loli games so ofcourse its going to be biased lol.

No. 2249647

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>>2248764
I thought Catwoman being black in that show was a reference to Eartha Kitt.

No. 2249676

>>2248764
I like how you have a problem with her being sassy but not with here being a thief kek. Its funny because people have complained before that making catwoman(a thief villian) black in the movies was racism or some shit.

No. 2249723

>>2249647
Yeah pretty much all depictions of Catwoman as a black woman is due to Eartha Kitt.

No. 2249877

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Anyone seen this retarded tweet? She’s not even trying to call that bag an itabag at all, she probably doesn’t even know what it is but little gen alpha retards who just learned what an itabag is last week are attacking her for 0 reason. Then they proceed to quote retweet with their own bags in which most of which look like actual fucking garbage.
https://x.com/croriander/status/1854349601928826930?s=46

No. 2249903

>>2249877
yeah i don't get the outrage, its stupid she is getting all the money for those bags but its clearly trying to evoke that y2k aesthetic thats really popular nowadays which included backpacks and totes with lots of pins, not itabags. most western itabags i've seen are just a combination of unrelated charms from conventions pinned to cheap aliexpress bags, mainly fandom of the week garbage, so it isn't like their wasting their money on anything better.

No. 2249908

>>2249877
Its because she seems like she'd be an easy to target to harass while still being "in the right".

No. 2249912

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>>2249877
Why are so many westerners so bad at making itabags? They just dump a ton of random merch in the bag with no regards to composition or aesthetic. You don't even need to spend a ton of expensive official merch to make a cute and aesthetic bag, this one is DIY scrapbooked printed manga pages and looks way better than stuff just full of random pins

No. 2249913

>>2249877
>white girl itabags
who even feels the need to form a sentence like that? terminal twitterbrain. why do they feel the need to shit on a random woman that doesn't even make itabags (fucking pseud twitterfags), they're so desperate to be "right" and make others look bad
>>2249100
the one on the left is in the fetishes you're ashamed of thread, so it's appropriate. I know the ship and I don't even see it as the moid kind of lolishit, it's kinda like Sebastian and Ciel but lesbian esp. when the art looks tasteful and not moidy.
The ban on the right is retarded as fuck but it probably got reported for being found in the wild and the meme is kinda popular with moids. Shouldn't have been banned in the first place tho. The anti-shota bias was there because there were a lot of shotafag bait posts in many threads at the time which is probably why farmhands are more strict with those kinds of posts, meanwhile if someone posts loli porn or says they're a lolicon they'll get banned for being a scrote

No. 2249917

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>>2249877
Why do they complain that this is just “white girl ita bags” if they’re just gonna stop at that origin? Why not bitch about Japan using button pins because it originated in the US in the 1800s if they want to be critical on who deserves credit for what. Also sad that they will never experience the joy of being a 2000s scene kid or a hot topic emo and destroying all your bags with shitty bargain pins that would rust and fall off later

No. 2249923

>>2249917
why cant we go back, now half the buttons you see in weebs bags are cringe gendie flags and pronoun buttons

No. 2249928

>>2249913
samefag, there's also a difference between a thread-appropriate
>I like this specific ship but it's technically a 500 year old loli vampire and her adult maid so I feel bad about it
and a random baitpost like
>raping little boys is based, stay mad
or a pedo post like
>I fantasize about raping my boyfriend when he was 13 years old
So of course the latter would bet the banhammer first
>>2248752
Gore and violence in fiction may not give you a gore fetish but it does desensitize you to violence

No. 2249931

>>2249917
These are so much cooler than the pins you see young nerdy people wear today

No. 2249935

>>2248059
2023 is hilariously bad. Her very first design was still the best. How do you fuck up this bad?

No. 2249938

>>2249723
Eartha Kitt was a queen

No. 2249941

>>2248724
You must not know shit about anime history if you seriously think anime girls don't look neotenous on purpose to appeal to men who want to fuck underage girls. That's why they're called "bishoujo" and not "bijo", shoujo refers specifically to underage girls

No. 2249942

>>2249923
is there still a market for that? How many gendie pins do you need? I honestly doubt that shit sells, if you wanted a trans pin you already own why would you buy another?

No. 2249945

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>>2248068
Why did they make her a guy?

No. 2249952

>>2249935
Nona, please. How will America's brainless children be able to tell that Orange Blossom is the orange themed one without orange hair?

No. 2249963

>>2249903
Right like, yeah sure the girl’s bag is a little ugly but she’s clearly not even trying to be anything close to an itabag. Most itabags posted in the tweet were exactly as you said with fotm garbage with no real theme which is… the point of itabags. They’re probably gonna toss those bags in like less than a year. Annoys me to no end as someone who loves actually making itabags. Currently making one of one of my favorite characters ever right now and I’ve never seen anyone make a bag for her but I’m off topic here kek.
>>2249912
I like this bag but I don’t know if I would call that one an itabag either. At heart an itabag is a display of a collection of merch. This doesn’t have any merch but still this is genuinely a good and cool bag and a good idea for those who are younger who can’t afford merch.
>>2249917
Soulful. I love these. There was nothing like destroying your hands by digging through Hot Topic band/emo like pins.

No. 2250019

>>2228370
sorry for replying to a 10 day old post but while it's not a big thing anymore (definitely overshadowed by shitty mostly gendie hcs that clog up every tag) there is still a subset of active imagine writers, at least in the kind of small fandoms I was in. I was one for about 4 years and used the "x reader" tag to distance myself from the random hcs. I do miss those imagine blogs that would post really pixelated photos of their phase with a caption on it.

No. 2250080

>>2249945
To be fair, her character was originally a male briefly but has been a girl for majority of the run so it's still weird. Anon's suggestion >>2248394 is great, and if the character designers also changed their race the blue, purple and green colour scheme would look really lovely on a darker skintone. But instead of being creative they just shat out whatever because it's a series that only brain damaged toddlers and mega autists would watch so why should they care.

No. 2250134

>>2249877
>inb4 they’re a con bagger who doesn’t even have a proper itabag
Seriously though imagine thinking that putting badges on a bag is a new concept.

No. 2250141

>>2249917
These are tacky as fuck badges anyway, itabags are the superior hobby (which is from the 2010s) these kids just suck at it and can't make a proper bag to save their lives.

No. 2250150

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How can you be this smug but also this obvious that you just bought everything at a local con kek.

No. 2250155

>>2250150
Literally none of these are cohesive
>Digital Circus
>Vivziepop
>Undertale
Shit taste

No. 2250167

>>2250155
Its cohesive as western animation trend of the month, tbf.

No. 2250168

>>2250155
It's an autism dog whistle

No. 2250176

File: 1731050861021.png (7.97 MB, 1536x2048, i fucking hate slogan badges.p…)

>>2250155
It gets worse the farther down you go

No. 2250177

File: 1731050977646.png (1.17 MB, 946x732, QUIRKY PIZZA.png)

>NORMIE GIRL THING=PASSIONLESS, UNCREATIVE, NO LOVE
>NERD GIRL THING=PASSIONATE, CREATIVE, TRUE LOVE

No. 2250181

>>2250177
>random capeshit
>mha, more capeshit
>fucking pizza pins
>all thrown together on a cheap insert
>Where is the love?! Where is the dedication?!

No. 2250186

>>2250181
You just don’t get it nonna, she’s had those pizza badges since she found them at a local hipster bookstore’s sale bin in 2011 and has been keeping them safe for the right moment ever since.

No. 2250189

>>2250177
Fandomtards actually have normie derangement syndrome. How are they doing itabag elitism shit over some random white girl who probably doesn't even know what the fuck that means kek

No. 2250201

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>>2249917
Those are way better button pins though, bad time for me to bring this up but idrc about itabag discourse, I saw that post earlier and I’ve been needing someone to laugh at the “I LOVE CHLOTHING STORE” and “IM WEARING CHLOTHING” pins with me kek

No. 2250216

>>2250201
i really enjoy some of these pins but it just feels wrong to have them on a leather bag.

No. 2250220

>>2248902
>Doesn't know what Kuroshitsuji is or what happens in it
>Doesn't know who Yana Toboso is and how ridiculously based she is
>Still goes yapping her lip like she knew anything
Embarrassing and cringe, embodies the current Lolcow audience spirit.

>>2248908
For fucking real though. Anons who have never watched a proper anime series or read a manga in their lives and only hatescroll cherrypicked screenshots on some r/weebcringe or whatever screaming from the rooftops about how anime is for fagtrannypedos. It's impossible to have a nuanced discussion about anything weeb related because these retards barge in and start throwing their fat ogre asses around over things they have no idea about.

No. 2250272

>>2240217
your picrel is extremely retarded but not for the reasons you’re saying
>>2250201
>19 sold
there’s no way

No. 2250277

>>2250201
So retarded that it's also endearing.

No. 2250310

Last night I complained about how people keep giving female characters dicks in fics & not a single person caled me transphobic (and got some likes), maybe the world is healing.

No. 2250353

>>2250310
With the sudden surge of blatant misogyny around the world in recent years and now the groypers' "your body my choice" campaign I'm pretty sure a lot of traditionally feminist women have had their patience worn thin, including all the female they/he gendies. I see less and less "AFABs" being interested in protecting male tranny feelings and instead being very loud about women's and gay rights because they've realized that there's a very real threat of our bodily autonomy and things like same sex marriage being revoked, there's simply no room for moidtroons pushing the envelope about 4B being "exclusive" or whatever the fuck they're spewing now. A lot of women have also been whispering to each other for years about perverted AGPs bullying them so they're well aware of each others' true feelings and feel more comfortable talking about misogyny without dickhaving trannies barging in to sperg about how much their feelings matter. Also the young and gullible handmaidens who were in their teens in the mid 2010's are now well into their 20's and much less susceptible to this garbage.

tl;dr: we have bigger problems that we need to organize against

No. 2250357

>>2243871
Yes I became more degenerate

No. 2250376

>>2250353
>tl;dr: we have bigger problems that we need to organize against
Of course, I'm glad people slhash women are realizing so as well. My TL, both on Twitte and Bsky, have been filled with "protect trans rights!!" ever since the election but sadly barely anything about women's.
We have a long road, but I'm happy to see some women are finally snapping out the "niceness" and openly taling about it, it feels like there's light at the end of the tunel. It will be hard to destroy as it benefit medical care, men and they hide under LGBs, but with all the harm they're doing, maybe we will see it someday.

When it comes to stupid fandom shit (like what I mentioned or genderbends) people have been way more lax lately, maybe they're finally realizing most "transphobic" things are dumb. Hopefully they continue with that train of thought and finally admid the trans cult makes no sense.

No. 2250441

>>2250310
How many followers do you have and what demographic are they? This makes me kinda hopeful but it could just be selection bias, the side of Twitter I'm on would still definitely fry you for it

>>2250376
>genderbends are transphobic
The fact that this ever got the traction it did was fucking retarded. I'm glad people are normal about it now but no one wants to call out how deranged troons were about it, they just sweep it under the rug and pretend that era of fandom never happened which id my issue. And if you bring it up people would most definitely call you transphobic or be accused of trying to blame problems on troons/sowing discourse

No. 2250497

>>2250441
>genderbends are transphobic
They never gave any explanation as to why they were. I even directly asked trannies on 4chan and they never gave me a direct answer.

No. 2250513

>>2250441
Over Twitter 600-something, not many. I got a mix, some are gooners because I draw pinups, but most of my mutuals are either a flavor of trans/nb or supporters. It surprised me some of the people who liked it were trans themselves.
I have seen more and more people speaking out in favor of womens' rights though, it makes me glad things might be changing.

>>2250497
Pretty much because for male->female they give the characters boobs and the reverse, with means "associating a gender with a certain set of genitals and/or secondary sex characteristics" thus "Reinforcing cisnormativity". AKA being a sane person, complete retardation.
People also tried to call them "cis-swaps" for a short while to circunvent trannies' train of thought kek

No. 2250631

>>2250497
Because deep down they know testosterone shots won't make you 6-foot with 250 lbs of muscle, and there's no plastic surgery that will turn you into a dainty, pretty girl. It was always cope disguised as critique.

No. 2250776

>>2247993
wrong, these are two very different designs, not just in colour, but composition too.

No. 2250921

>>2243871
I stopped caring as much about anime, I still like manga and video games more than anything though. My main hobby has always been video games though.

No. 2251023

>>2250497
I'm not a troon or aiden so my 2 cents probably don't matter but I would assume it's because the appeal of things like futa are that the character is indeed a woman but has a penis and it's the novelty of that which creates the fetish

No. 2251222

>>2250497
basically >>2250513 and also the fact that it “assumes the characters are cis”. which is just them getting mad when others don’t agree with their delusions

No. 2251252

>>2248174
is the correlation between being a lolicon and having far-right politics as strong in japan as it is in the west?

No. 2251482

>>2251222
The Tumblr argument that if something isn't explicitly confirmed it's not canon or can't be reasonably assumed has ruined generations to come. These are also the same people that will berate others over not having media literacy (aka you don't agree with my headcanon).

No. 2251769

>>2248694
The majority of shotacons are gay males, anon.

No. 2251861

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No. 2251973

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Any nonnies who have fandom accounts on both twitter and bluesky? I'm curious how the fandom culture and the userbase differs across these 2 platforms. I hate Twitter with its shitty ads as any other person, but I feel unsure when my friends encourage me to make a bluesky account. From what I can see from my fandom, it was mostly super woke TRAs and gendies that lead the exodus, and I don't want to be in a social media where the ratio of such people might be even worse than Twitter. I used to have cringe hentai style fanart for my fandom pop up on my "for you" page on twitter, and I'm hearing a couple bluesky users complain that they are facing something similar there too (r34 art showing up in the discover section). I don't see any point in moving

No. 2252070

>>2249877
Is this why that fat UK weeb made a video
On itabags? God, I can’t take another round of retards knowing wtf they’re talking about and causing drama because of it.

No. 2252079

>>2251973
Personally I moved to Bluesky to follow Japanese artists I like, and the few Western ones that don't talk about SJW shit. If it weren't for them I would have considered Bluesky a containment site for troons and social justice idiots, just like how twitter turned into /pol/ 2.0 but I keep checking twitter from time to time for Asian artists who haven't moved to Bluesky.

No. 2252118

>>2251973
>>2251973
Bluesky is what you make it to be. The "For you" page sucks, so what you will see 70% of the time is the content from the people you follow since you won't move much from that tab. It has NSFW filters that actually work, so you won't see that kind of content unless you go out of your way to disable the safe filters. It has been a pretty nice experience thanks to that, I don't like following combative people so the amount of rage bait and stupid people on my TL is non-existent now.
I still check Twitter from time to time as not every asian artist has moved to Bsky, but I pretty much only post there now.
As more people join Bsky, I guess the peacefulness will slowly fade away though. Isn't like people have changed their mentality, it's just that most annoying people only post over Twitter because they get more traction there.

No. 2252149

>>2252118
luckily theres an built in block chain you can use on bsky to filter out the undesirables, it has been super useful weeding out annoying discourse children and its funny to watch them mald about getting added on the lists and being blocked by people who actually create content; cant have your cake and eat it retards.
though, its a bit annoying that posts made from the blocked account still show up on the fyp unless you manually remove it so i hope it gets changed if they ever do a block/mute overhaul.

No. 2252153

>>2252149
>its a bit annoying that posts made from the blocked account still show up on the fyp
Really? That's really weird, maybe the FYP page works different but blocked accounts don't show to me in any feed (at least in PC, I don't use the app).
I found Bluesky's block system pretty harsh in general, unlike Twitter you can't click to view the tweet or account of the people you blocked, which sometimes makes it annoying because you can't see the original post if someone qrt it.

No. 2252174

>>2252153
atyrt, its only the post that shows up on your fyp if you block the account from that post, otherwise you wont see any of their other content on other feeds. Its just annoying having that one post still be there especially if its softcore coomer furry art that bypasses the nsfw filters (inb4 the fyp is curated to your followers, I have it set to follow art so anything tagged as art shows up, including mediocre coomer art unfortunately)
i also dislike that you have to click onto the account in order to block rather than block directly from the post which you can do on twitter

No. 2252203

>>2251861
Is it from Tom King's 9/11 comic? lol

No. 2252493

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>>2248294
>Female shotacons: doesn't molest IRL children

Julia Vickerman got fired because she was stupid enough to post picrel Tumblr. Granted, she didn't molest him nor draw him, but that comment raised tons of red flags and it was her own fault.

No. 2252514

>>2252493
She even tagged it with #Pedophile…

No. 2252524

>>2252153
There are list with people that have right wing posts, so you can, instead to subscribe them, mass blocking them. Same with AI or NTF artists.

Though I still keep my Twitter account because is private and I can fangirl or post photos in there. I wish Blue Sky can add that feature too.

No. 2252590

>>2252493
God that's retarded.
Outside the whole shotacon talk, in general I would say it's thr 70-30 rule, when it comes to men 70% are degenerates and 30% more or less sane, meanwhile with women it's the opposite, 70% are sane while 30% should be in jail.
Men have a higher tendency to try act their fantasies on real life while women are better at keeping it fictional (and often they only like it when its fictional), so it's nornal to be more wary of one group than the other.
Both are gross though.

No. 2252624

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Unpopular opinion but love and deepspace is the same run of the mill, safe horny otome game that does nothing to deviate from the status quo besides having high production values. Still the same case of women getting pretty, elaborate, oftentimes revealing designs when men get generic fully clothed suits in boring clothes that don't even accentuate his bodyparts. And now because this game is so popular, this shitty trend is gonna continue. I fucking hate the women who meme'd suits into being considered sexiest, this is all your fucking fault.

No. 2252633

>>2252493
Was she actually a shotacon though? There is nothing in that post that relates to what the AYRT said.

No. 2252635

>>2252079
>how twitter turned into /pol/ 2.0
I'm still amazed on how the fuck this happened. Twitter was THE sjw site of the late 2010s.

No. 2252636

>>2252493
What a DUMBASS. And this actually wasn’t the only creepy post she’d made about little boys either she made a few others. Glad she’s no longer in the industry.

No. 2252666

>>2252624
I won't deny the characters in that game are fairly attractive but I see your point, we really need to amp up the sex appeal but most cockwhipped normie women will never goonbait in their games. It's why otome eroges are so rare. Women meme themselves into believing women are above carnal sins such as sex and sexual despite, only hecking wholesome hand holding lovedove time with some moid rape for added drama.

No. 2252674

Since bluesky is becoming more and more popular, I wonder when we'll get a bluesky hate thread lol

No. 2252677

>>2252674
What for?

No. 2252680

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>>2252493
>Julia Vickerman got fired because she was stupid enough to post picrel Tumblr.
Vickerman got fired because she was sexually harassing her co-workers and they sued her, the internet posts were unsurfaced after.

>>2252633
The male main characters she made for her show kind of match the creepy posts about boys "her type". But maybe it's a reach.

No. 2252684

>>2252674
Maybe in a year or two, it's the exact same type of people bringing their culture to a different site that's similar to twitter.

No. 2252688

>>2252624
Eh, there's a variety of outfits.
If you want more conservative outfits for the female character and more revealing for male then that's the type of thing that's voted with money and log ins.
The game is still fairly young, the players make their choice. By throwing it off, you're making yours.

No. 2252701

>>2252624
>WAAH WAHH WHY DO OTHER WOMEN FIND WELL-DRESSED ANIME MEN ATTRACTIVE
You only shit on other women's taste because they don't intentionally meme slutty outfits and shotashit to "get even" with scrotes. Most other women aren't interested in reaching moid levels of degeneracy as revenge. I do agre that I'm tired of seeing the female characters get sexy and revealing outfits that show unnecessary skin for no reason other than they're female, but I don't want to see the men wearing lingerie 24/7. I just want the female characters all covered up like a male character. Besides, there's plenty of hot moments where the guys are in varying states of undress, Syles often appears shirtless, there was that event where they were all in a silk robe, etc. if you don't actually play the game you have no right to complain about the content you claim is missing when it's actually there kek

No. 2252710

>>2252493
Horrible post but I admit I laughed when the conclusion was
>Hashtag: Pedophile. Hashtag: gratuitous picture of yourself~!

No. 2252744

File: 1731183680145.jpeg (377.77 KB, 1290x2796, ccfjemkpiegd1.jpeg)

>>2252701
>Syles
*Sylus
Also look at this shit and tell me what's so "safe horny" about it. If what you want is to make moids seethe, they're already doing that en-masse because this game became popular, in case you've been living under a rock. It ain't perfect but it's better than most otome games by far

No. 2252756

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>>2252666
Based
>>2252688
There's not a variety of outfits, all of them look the same.
>that's the type of thing that's voted with money and log ins.
So most women are pathetic morons who still center themselves even in their sexual fantasies? Pathetic
>>2252701
>You only shit on other women's taste because they don't intentionally meme slutty outfits and shotashit to "get even" with scrotes
You say this like women liking sexually appealing men with outfits that showcase their figure is somehow getting even with scrotes. Maybe some women such as myself don't want to see the same 3 outfits while moid targeted gacha get women in elaborate and revealing clothing? Tell me, are Nikke characters "intentionally meme slutty outfits"?
>but I don't want to see the men wearing lingerie 24/7
Tell me you're asexual without telling me you're asexual.
>Syles often appears shirtless, there was that event where they were all in a silk robe,
So? Men in battle shounen series appear shirtless. I want men in tight pants, g strings, crop tops, etc.
>>2252744
LaD is still very safe horny with how it dresses its male characters. Of course I'm gonna find these outfits fucking lame, it's dull clothing you see in everyday life that doesn't even accentuate the figure. Not every woman who wants guys in sexy outfits is doing it to own the moids, in fact YOU think this because you're so not used to seeing moids as the object of a fantasy that to you it registers as alien, and there must be a reason for women doing this that isn't just their heterosexuality being healthy. It's fucking weird, I've literally been accused of being bi/lesbian because of this. This is why I can't with otomefags; you are all ridiculously pro status quo and weirdly detest the male body. I'm sorry I actually want a change instead of women getting crammed the same boring looking outfits down their throats for the past centuries while even in female targeted works women are put in slutwear.

No. 2252760

>>2252493
tbh if you’re gonna dispute the “doesn't molest IRL children” part then you should give an example of that. this is kinda unrelated

No. 2252770

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>>2252756
Suits are good when they accentuate the ass, crotch, and pecs, but other than that I agree with you. It's pathetic how a game centered around sexy men barely puts in effort to sexualize them. It's even worse because papergames developed the nikki games as well, so they already know how to make nice outfits but refuse to give them to make characters. I guess it's because some women are still in that cucked mindset where they think intentionally sexualized men are fags.

No. 2252772

>>2252635
Same, it didn't even change that gradually either, the hints were already there but that change happened so fast once elon was forced to buy the website I'm still not used to it.

No. 2252780

>>2252756
>Not every woman who wants guys in sexy outfits is doing it to own the moids
I never implied this, I only said that YOU want women to share your taste only because you want to own the moids. Sorry that you lack reading comprehension, explains why you sperg out so much at something as trivial as women liking men in elegant clothes

Also in the otome thread just a few minutes ago you said
>scrote gachas have women in colorful, fun, slutty outfits
Are you really defending those as good sexy designs? They look retarded to the average normal person, not sexy. Sorry that not all women have the same fucked up aesthetic sensibilities of your average pornsick neckbeard, I guess. And no, I'm not arguing that women shouldn't want to see men in sexy slutty outfits, I'm spelling it out for you because I know you lack the reading comprehension to not put unrelated words in people's mouths. You're always accusing those who disagree with you or dare correct you of the wildest shit they never even implied

No. 2252784

>>2252635
I think it became more a SJW site when Tumblr was bought by Yahoo and started to censor many stuff. But I'm amazed as well it became in /pol/ 2: electric bogaloo.

No. 2252801

>>2252780
nta but you’re such a sperg. why does someone wanting something different make you so mad? sorry not everyone’s an asexual lesbian like you

No. 2252805

>>2252770
love picrel

No. 2252806

>>2252756
these male designs are so bland. honkai starrail has better males than this, with more skin showing and that's just sad

No. 2252816

>>2252744
This is the ugliest shit I’ve ever seen. Women are so cucked.

No. 2252992

How would someone go about making a sexualized male design without looking corny?

No. 2253016

>>2252992
Draw what you find sexy?

No. 2253057

>>2252756
>post freebies/lesser value outfits
What do you not understand about voting with your wallet?

No. 2253062

>>2252635
It could happen to any site that advertises itself as free speech

No. 2253065

>>2252992
Embrace the corny.
It only seems that way because people aren't used to it. If you really think about it bikini thongs, stiletto boots, and other female fanservice outfits look absolutely ridiculous.

No. 2253771

>>2252744
This is so fucking ugly. The day women break free of the gross K-pop style of male ‘beauty’ that’s trendy nowadays is the day I start jumping for joy. And inb4 ‘racebait’, even asian men look godawful when ran under a billion whitening filters with their chins shaven down to knife points. I’m not a lesbian and neither are 90% of nerdy women, so I don’t understand why these shit companies keep trying to make their men’s look like pretty women with shredded abs plastered on top. More Asian pop artists should try to look like DPR Ian (vidrel) and lift some goddamn weights every once in a while.

No. 2254329

File: 1731266468604.png (1.3 MB, 1919x1079, doorlocks.png)

>>2241842
>I seriously cannot stomach the game's premise for essentially being 4 men and a woman in a death scenario to even give it a shot
It is that grim. I loved it, but couldn't blame anyone if they decided not to play it. Spoilers but the only woman is raped and then impregnated by one of the characters, while the others are either unaware of it at best, or deliberately ignorant at worst. The consequences of men shielding other men's abusive behavior from accountability is basically the main conflict of the game. There are no graphic scenes about it but it's heavily implied throughout, and one of my biggest issues with the fandom is that even if they almost performatively condemn the abuser, they still refuse to address the subject matter seriously.

No. 2254337

>>2252744
Sylus is the only cute one imo

No. 2254362

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>>2253057
She probably doesn't even play the game kek

>>2254337
Some anons going "SYLUS SEXO" while others are like "THIS IS SO UGLY MAN PSYOP WTF WOMEN ARE SO CUCKED!!!1" in the same thread will never not be funny to me
It just goes to show how this is clearly just a matter of taste and not objective fact and how everybody just needs to calm the fuck down

No. 2254374

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>>2253771
Watch anons rip you apart for even suggesting that guy in the video is hot kek, I don't usually like K-pop looks either and don't even like the L&DS guys' bodies that much because it looks a bit too uncanny (except for Sylus maybe), but aside from that I find them attractive. But it's totally fine to disagree and have your own male body ideal, as long as you don't pretend only you are right and everyone else is wrong. Anyone who does that is an absolute retard looking for an infight. Fwiw I like the guy you posted too.

No. 2254475

>>2253771
Sorry, I looked up pictures and his face is ugly. Men are so 3DPD

No. 2254510

>>2252493
She wasn't a shotafag thought, she's just a pedophile.

No. 2254514

>>2253771
>wah wah why do women like pretty men they must be lesbians

No. 2254517

>>2253771
2D over 3D. Always. He's fug

No. 2254522

>>2252493
See this is the thing about shotafags claiming it's different from lolicon or that shota "art" is consumed in a different way by women. Women are by far the least likely to actually SA someone, but when someone os actively involved with loli/shota it is a HUGE red flag that they are indeed a pedophile. To a sane person, not acting out their degenerate shota shit on real people doesn't make them any less of a pedophile. It's vile to pretend otherwise

No. 2254523

>>2254514
Seriously. Poster is so insufferable. Like the wave of 90s and early 2000s bishonen men were a thing for a reason. It's really in the last 6-7 years there's been a lack of them sadly. I dont play Love in Deepspace, but I can see why it got popular among all demographics of women.

No. 2254527

>>2254522
So are women into dark romance looking to be kidnapped, beaten and abused? Thats the kind of mental gymnastics men use to justify women being abused if they are less than perfect and like anything that isnt giving bjs. Its like how husbandofags dont like 3DPD and arent interested in having nigels, because they realize their husbandos are completly made up and can only exist in 2D.

No. 2254544

>>2252780
>liking men in elegant clothes
you mean boring and plain??

Even the fucking FL has more revealing and interesting outfits but all we get is men in suits ffs

No. 2254548

>>2254362
Ngl I think Sylus is facially the ugliest among the Mls but atleast we are heading in the right direction.

No. 2254560

>>2254527
Nobody brought up dark romance so idk why you're using that as an argument against me, who, for the record, is anti-dark romance, because I don't think abuse should be romanticised. Whataboutism doesn't work in an argument about sexualising children in media. It's not about "mental gymnastics" or "well moids do-". If a person has a sexual proclivity for children they are a dangerous person. A fat retard fantasizing about being kidnapped by an angsty mafia boss/ceo/evil wattpad harry styles is not the same as someone who fetishizes children because you know one of these things is a far more realistic viable danger than the other

No. 2254589

>>2254560
Shotas arent children though, that's where your argument fails. Because they arent real. Just like how traps arent women and unrealistically muscular women in anime like the ones from dorohero arent men. A murder in a piece of media isnt a real murder, an anime boy with blue hair and purple eyes doesnt resemble a real human, let alone a child.

No. 2254746

>>2254589
>Shotas arent children
What are they then?

No. 2254769

>>2254746
Nta but they're drawings.
You can make one right now in a couple of minutes.

No. 2254788

>>2254527
>So are women into dark romance looking to be kidnapped, beaten and abused?
No but they are genuinely some of the most self-hating women I've ever had the displeasure of bearing witness to, and have had every trace of self-preservation instinct brainwashed out of them. Also huge overlap with hybristos.

No. 2254844

>>2254746
Cartoons with alien proportions and unrealistic features like literal pug faces and rainbow colored hair and autistic chuuni powers

No. 2254849

>>2254769
Drawings of what?

No. 2254858

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Do we need the same infight over and over again? Reread what has already been said countless times and come back with something new to say at least

No. 2254875

>>2254769
If it’s a just a drawing then why is your pussy getting wet

No. 2254901

>>2254849
Its a drawing it can be whatever you want. You can give it boobs and it turns into a generic anime girl if you want.

No. 2254903

>>2254875
Nta but what kek have you never heard of husbandofags, hell do you know there are women cumming to words?

No. 2254904

>>2254849
Drawings of cartoon characters.
If you see cartoon characters and equate them to real people then animation must terrify you.

No. 2254906

>>2254904
Dont tell her we have an anon that wants to fuck a penguin and a pink ball.

No. 2254913

>>2254904
Maybe they see real children with the same eye as they do anime characters, to them there is no difference in the value of a real life to a cartoon drawing. If so, kind of fucked up.

No. 2254925

>>2254329
what peeves me is this black or white morality the fandom has, you either completely condemn jimmy to the point that even looking at his radius makes you a bigot rapist sympathizer, or you woobify him and turn him to a uwu sad puppy boy. theres no middle ground on interpreting him and youre not allowed to think critically about the fictional fucking character lest you get a moral brigade thrown at you.

No. 2255179

>>2254904
The majority of lolicons are attracted to real children, though. One of the reasons Japan hasn’t outlawed drawn CSEM is because they believe it will curb pedophiles’ urges to harm real girls.

No. 2255212

>>2254904
And what are those cartoon characters? I really wish you lot would just be honest with yourselves.

No. 2255476


No. 2255634

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the fandom characterisation of luka and hyuna is fucking bizarre to me.
like she's conically SCAREDD of him and she's not even all that masculine she's just a alt cool girl type, I almost feel the "malewife" trope given to him and other male characters like him is just hide their misogynistic nature, making the female victim look like a "girlboss" is done for creating an illusion of gender-bending

No. 2255647

>>2255634
The virgin xitter casual
>Unfunny trannoid jokes
>Misogynist victim blaming undertones
>Still manages to degrade the woman by reducing her to an archetype who must "take responsibility" for the male
>Cannot conceive of a dynamic that isn't gender roles
>Male character's actions are handwaved with WORDSWORDSWORDS
>Snorts copium like it's life support

The Stacey ryonafag
>Knows the male character is a shithead
>Draws him in a blender

No. 2255676

>>2255212
At this point you are just dense.

No. 2255683

>>2255676
I am convinced these moralfags are the ones unable to tell the difference between fiction and reality and then project their failure onto the rest of the world.

No. 2255685

>>2255683
They are only able to tell the difference when its controversial things they like.

No. 2255686

>>2255634
Pink bitch club was the better project honestly, way less gendies.

No. 2255688

>>2241842
I'm a fujo so I'm like 'Anya's cute enough but I'd rather see fanart of Curly and Jimmy fucking'
Sorry if that bothers you for whatever reason.

No. 2255731

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>>2255634
people treat hyuna more like a sex object than a character and they know that and are insecure about it, it's like
>"oh no I think about her outside of her relationship with luka!” and then it’s exclusively nsfw
picrel

No. 2255734

>>2255731
Holy shit the original tweet.
>Wildly misinterprets a character
>Gets offended

No. 2255738

>>2255734
also hyuna isn't black or a "brash badass" either

No. 2255742

>>2255731
People obsessed with race are the most annoying people on the planet.

No. 2255776

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>>2255634
the fandom retards are a lot like the retards in vidrel, obsessed with the presentation of gender, desperate to be considered queer, but in the end it's just a straight ship, but those in fandom go even beyond this and will change actual biology, but even then, they almost always end up recreating heterosexuality with extra steps

No. 2255842

>>2255634
Why is it wrong to portray the female character as the dominant one in a straight relationship?

No. 2255849

>>2255776
this video makes no sense. what's the punchline? getting a buzz cut and wearing flannel doesn't make you not a woman and doesn't make your relationship with a man not-straight. the fuck…

No. 2255854

>>2255842
you can do that if you want, but the actual canon portrays her as scared and scared of the male character and people turn her into mommy-dom

No. 2255857


No. 2255890

>>2255676
The thing is, I'm not attacking you. I'm not denying what you're looking at isn't real. I just wish you'd be honest. If you like watching porn of fictional little boys, that's fine. I'm not into that, and it skeeves me out but it's a free country and it's not real so it's okay. However, it comes off as disingenuous and retarded to make these Olympics levels of mental gymnastics to not call a spade a spade. You like fictional little boys, shota. Just accept that instead of twisting your neck that what you're into isn't what you're into. Going "Erm, these pictures of anime little boys aren't actually little boys, they're just lines on paper, just cartoon drawings! I'm not weird!" sounds dense. At least be secure if you're into something weird.

No. 2255917

>>2255731
>Only black woman
>The character is a slightly tanned Asian
I genuinely want to cry reading braindead takes like this because I don't even know if it's some retard right wing troll baiting or is someone actually this schizo level detached from reality. Either way it has to be some kind of intentional compulsive need for attention through controversy.

>>2255634
Even the people who claim to be all about female characters only treat them as some flavor of sex objects. I think back to that "describe the female character without using the words girlboss/queen/any variation of mother/sexuality" tweet a lot.

No. 2255944

>>2255890
>The thing is, I'm not attacking you. I'm not denying what you're looking at isn't real. I just wish you'd be honest
>this backtrack
Now who isn't being honest? If anything, isn't this worse?
You're saying "it's okay but I think you're a pedophile, not attacking you but you should admit to being a pedophile, not that there's anything wrong with being one.

No. 2255950

>>2255948
Pretending you totally didn't mean what you obviously meant just paints you in a bad, obnoxious light.
Cartoon grass is nice, but only touching real grass helps.

No. 2255959

>>2255890
>If you like watching porn of fictional little boys,
It's not though, what the actual fuck is wrong with you

No. 2255963

>>2255944
I think you've misunderstood or I didn't write my post clearly. I'm sorry. I'm talking about the anons in here who are saying shota isn't shota and shota isn't drawings of little boys. That to me is what's super retarded and what I was focused on. You can't just say the clearly pedophilic porn isn't pedophilic porn. Though, since you bring it up I can say how I feel about the consumers of that stuff. Anons here who look at shota have low pedophilic tendencies that they refuse to acknowledge hence the aforementioned excuse. Yes, there's the disconnect of fictional stylization to what is supposed to be represented but the mere fact that what is supposed to be represented being a child or child-like aesthetics is what makes it pedophilic in nature. All around, it's just gross and morally questionable. While it isn't real which makes it technically fine, it's still fucked and weirds me out.
>>2255959
Wait, is shota not porn of fictional little boys like loli is of little girls?

No. 2255974

>>2255963
I still feel like shota (at least the yaoi kind) is in it's own zone.
>Anime Guy: pedophile
>Shota: target
>Me: third party bystander

No. 2255976

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>>2255890
us this you?

No. 2255978

>>2255974
>Anime Guy: pedophile
>Shota: victim
>you: pedophile

No. 2255979

>>2255976
Average shotafag

No. 2255981

>>2255890
>calling people pedophiles isn't attacking them

No. 2255986

>>2255963
>While it isn't real which makes it technically fine, it's still fucked and weirds me out.
But earlier you said that it was just something weird that people should just admit to, nbd. Saying this about what you admit you consider to be pedophilic seems much more fucked up and weird.
Like wtf is "low pedo tendencies"?

No. 2255991

>>2255974
NTA but you are still getting off to shotas being fucked. That doesn't make you any different from women who want to fuck shotas.

No. 2255993

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>>2255963
>um acktually the little boy being raped isnt a boy but a drawing! so its ok for me to goon off it! what do you mean if i get sexually aroused by it?? ITS NOT REAL but loli definitely
so tell me why is it always found in pedophile hardrives when they get raided,there wont and never will be a virtuous pedophile regardless of gender offending and non offending, no ones fooled here pedofag

No. 2255994

>>2255991
I mean I don't care if a yume has a shota husbando as that's her business, I'm just saying that I think it's slightly different for fujos.

No. 2255995

>>2255993
Yeah, on men's hard drives

No. 2255996

>>2255963
>All around, it's just gross and morally questionable. While it isn't real which makes it technically fine, it's still fucked and weirds me out.
Yet you still say anons into it to have "low pedophilic tendencies". That isn't an accusation you should just throw around like you were just calling someone fucked up or weird. Not even a shotafag but this constant handwringing over it is so overdone at this point because nobody else brings the topic up as much as the people who let shotafags live rent free inside of their heads.

No. 2255998

>>2255986
It's both. It's something weird people should admit to rather than hiding behind thirteen different excuses and it also weirds me out deeply. What I mean is that I'm tired of seeing these weird excuses for not calling shota what it is, or saying it isn't what it is.
>Like wtf is "low pedo tendencies"?
What I meant by that is they're exhibiting pedo tendencies by looking at weird porn of little anime boys getting it on older guys but aren't full blown pedophiles who collect real pictures of children like >>2252493.

No. 2255999

So it's OK for women to like lolis?
>>2255994
Well, it's not

No. 2256000

>>2255995
so you are more similar to moids than you would want to admit.

No. 2256001

>>2255999
>So it's OK for women to like lolis?
Yes.
>Well, it's not
That's just like, your opinion.

No. 2256004

>>2255963
Shota and loli have both degenerated in meaning into just being slang for "cute anime kid". It's pretty common to see someone go "look, shota/loli" in series that otherwise do not and are very much not interested in sexualizing characters, let alone those. They still use it, maybe in a way to distinct them from "children" in the serious sense.

No. 2256008

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>>2255842
Read the image, the “she gets him pregnant” jokes has been the fanbase’s only joke for her for fucking months, and they turn her into a daddy alpha dom top because they see her as a sex object for their favorite evil prettyboy. They basically equate her to a man just because she’s not a hyperfeminine moeblob. They constantly erase her original personality, feelings, and trauma in the process. And some of these people even say “I imagine she gets him pregnant as revenge for him being a jerk” It’s all always been misogyny.

>>2255634
The mischaracterization of Hyuna is straight up because these fans don’t care about her, she’s just someone to project stupid memes/tropes/fetishes on in favor of the characters they actually like.
They can’t fathom her being someone with a personality outside of “tough confident girlboss”, with internal struggles and a vulnerable side, even though it’s right in front of their faces. Anyone with a brain can see she’s traumatized by him. Him being 3 years older than her doesn’t seem much as adults, but makes it even more obvious that he was creeping on her when they were kids/teens. The art book even confirmed he was trying to be aggressive when he forced himself on her. In case a Lukafag sees this, yes I know he was an abused kid, doesn’t change what he did to her and her brother. Moids should get over it lol, instead of taking it out on younger girls.
Hyuna’s video focusing on her character always had the least views, and it looks like the latest video will surpass that too. She’s the least popular character(if a xwitter fan poll indicates anything lol, but it’s not surprising because she’s up against prettyboys, yaoi, and cute anime girl yuri) so I’m not surprised that majority of the fandom has a shallow view of her. It’s easy for them to jump to dommy girlboss memes than try to understand a female character. I just block them all and follow Hyuna fans, no value in seeing more people regurgitate the same dumb jokes ad infinitum.

No. 2256009

>>2256000
How did you even get there? I've still yet to see a single case where a female pedophile was caught with shotashit on her hard drive.

No. 2256010

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No. 2256023

>>2256004
Oh, I see now thanks for clarifying. Well, in that case then there's no issue. Who cares if someone looks at shota or loli.

No. 2256032

>>2256004
>Shota and loli have both degenerated in meaning into just being slang for "cute anime kid".
No. NO. That is not true.

No. 2256041

>>2256008
>Hyuna’s video focusing on her character always had the least views,
If I remember correctly, all the female characters were at the bottom of a recent popularity poll

No. 2256044

>>2256032
Have you not been in anime communities? It's been like that for ages now.

No. 2256045

>>2256011
>It's like we're going backwards into thinking pedo is just a fetish and not a crime.
its kind of similar how handmaidens gaslighted themselves and other women into thinking agps moids were totes real women! and were living their true self without harming anyone! and not moids getting off the idea of being a woman for their degradation and humiliation fetish. just like how handmaidens minimized troon crimes and their actions same so shotafags for themselves surely they'll never rape a child..but how do we know? as much as this irks anons here most women on child rape/molestation is never reported much more so if the child is male so ofcourse theyre no "statistics" to prove that it actively contributes to creating pedophiles, a woman may or may not rape a child after reading a shotashit porn doujin but a moid reading that same porn doujin probably will . behind the veil of "theyre just drawings!" "no actual child is being harmed!" "its an adult! who acts like a child!" "you dont understand anime culture tourist!" you can clearly see that the shotashits have a sense of guilt and a sense of that what they consume is socially abhorrent and wrong so try to convince themselves that it cant be theyre into children now can it? it cant be theyre doing something wrong? no its the one whos pointing out it is! theyre just masturbating to a drawing of a child being raped nothing seriou, it cant be theyre also contributing to the same issue that also keeps lolishit alive, so they hide behind whataboutisms and the "moid are the ones who rape! im innocent for consuming it!" boogeyman so they use cognitive dissonance , some have even hailed that the origin of the largest creators of this pedophilic porn genre japan has low crime rates! that no children are being raped or molested there at all! so youre just fear mongering! but they dont realize that japan does have a problem a hidden one but a problem nonetheless and a huge one at that but no thats just a exception! it cant be the country that banned real life cp in 2014 is acting those acts on real breathing children no not my glorious nippon. its truly disgusting to see women defend this shit despite knowing that its implications are and its consequences on real people , if you can clearly say if a furry who masturbates to feral porn is a zoophile, a moid to lolishit a pedophile so why is there a double standard with shotashits? just because theyre women?

No. 2256057

>>2256032
It is true, was reading danmei and they dropped "loli", reading harem and they drop "shota". Neither one was sexualized, but they used the word to basically point that they're just the archetype of "cute" and not meant to be taken seriously.

No. 2256061

Here's a question for the pro-shota nonnies: furries who collect/commission cub content are collecting drawings of animals. Can you identify a reason why furries, who are notorious for pedophilic behaviour such as grooming and in many well documented cases actually abusing children/young animals, can be identified as dangerous when they are collecting such art? Is it just a drawing? What is it a drawing of? Is it different because it's not anime/manga?

>>2256009
You're not old enough to remember Todokaras
>>2255993
>so tell me why is it always found in pedophile hard drives
Because shota is pedoshit

No. 2256063

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Kek

No. 2256067

>>2256061
Shotastacies are just built different when compared to animal fuckers.
>>2256063
Waifufag guys just pull the '3D pig disgusting slut' card.

No. 2256071

>>2256063
This is a royal form of autism. I'd just keep mine secret, an affair of the mind. I'd be two-timing in silence with a man less real than air

No. 2256072

>>2256061
They coomed themselves into seeing it as basically the real thing.
It looks so easy in cartoons, and what is a cartoon is not basically real? Why not try and do it irl too.
They personify animals with the personalities they see in cartoons, they set themselves up with identities of animals. Because, reality and fiction are the same thing to them. When that is the case then reality has no more value.

No. 2256073

>>2255890
what little boy has blue hair and purple eyes like ciel, do you live in chernobyl where everyone has radioactive hair and eye colors

No. 2256074

>>2256067
>shotastacies
if you, as a woman, disclosed this "based" interest, the real states would be the woman who spits on you for sexualising kids. No better than a lolifag

No. 2256076

>>2255999
>So it's OK for women to like lolis?
Unironically yes. No one would bat an eye if some anon said her waifu was nico yazawa, we also have an entire touhou thread.

No. 2256079

>>2256073
Anon, it's the fact that it is a fictional little boy not what colors his hair or eyes are, you're still looking at a sexualized image of a fictional little boy claiming otherwise is disingenuous. That's all I'm trying to get at

No. 2256081

>>2256074
by the same normie bitches that shave their natural body hair to look prepubescent forever for moids. Their opinion doesnt matter lol.

No. 2256082

>>2256074
>the real states would be the woman who spits on you for sexualising kids
We're on a site that makes fun of chicks with eating disorders, I really don't see why people moralfag this hard.

No. 2256083

>>2256079
but how can it be a little boy if real life kids dont look anything like it? does liking cat boys make you a zoophile

No. 2256085

>>2256073
And yet, he is canonically a what? What is a major part of his character? Hint: it's related to his cannonical age

No. 2256088

>>2256082
whats more funny that you think eating disorders are on the same moral wavelength as to gooning off to children kek id rather be a anachan than a pedophile

No. 2256089

>>2256085
A British demon summoner?
True, irl that's a pretty fucked up thing to be.

No. 2256091

>>2256085
shota has nothing to do with age tho, he could be 17 or a ghost with no age like hanako. Asuka is the same age as Ciel and no one would call her a loli.

No. 2256092

>>2256088
That's not what I said at all kek, I'm saying that I don't get people who moralfag on a gossip/bullying site.
It's on the same wavelength as when scrotes on kiwifarms larp as Christfags.

No. 2256093

>>2256083
Anon, I'm not saying shota is a real little boy. I know that there is a complete distinction between a stylized fictional little boy drawing and an actual little boy. I'm saying shota represents a fictional image of a little boy and that's what's questionable.

No. 2256095

>>2256088
>i would rather starve myself until i am a walking skeleton than like anime boys
dear lord, mental illness.

No. 2256096

>>2256091
I mean this troon basically did.

No. 2256097

>>2256091
>Muh waifu is NOT a child!!!! Can't you see she's akshually a +100000000 year old demon dragon succubus????

No. 2256099

>>2256093
It doesn't, it's just a bishie manlet. Again asuka and rei are the same age as ciel and they arent lolis. We constantly have infights ITT over shinji and madoka being shotas/lolis or not.

No. 2256101

>>2256093
>I'm saying shota represents a fictional image
Okay, end of argument then.
Not like anything said here will actually change anything, tbh. Unless you want fictional images to be regulated, it's better to distance the connection between fictional and reality to prevent shit like >>2256072

No. 2256103

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>>2256095
atleast im not on a list banning me to be near children kekkkk

No. 2256105

>>2256099
Maybe it's a personality thing, Shinji acts more shota than Rei acts loli.

No. 2256106

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>>2256081
>hairless prepubescent kids are for pedophiles
>defending people who like hairless prepubescent kids
Tsk tsk nonna c'mon now nonna, don't give up, you're so close to connecting the dots

No. 2256107

>>2256103
Imagine defending spoops, who are notoriously pickmes who actually partake in ddlg and want to be smollest uwu beans to fit in used mezzo piano children clothes for their pedo followers.

No. 2256111

>>2256106
All anime characters are hairless, are all anime bishies for pedos then? friendly reminder that only one gender asks the other to shave as soon as they hit puberty and constantly pushes anti aging proceedures to the other gender.

No. 2256112

>>2256089
He's a demon summoner British child. It's a biiig part of his character that is highlighted constantly

No. 2256117

>>2256107
>um aktually youre the pedo defender!!
>is into little boys
KEKKK

No. 2256118

>>2256083
They do look exactly like children, though. Just because their facial features have ridiculous anime proportions and styling doesn't mean the body doesn't look exactly like a child's

No. 2256120

>>2256111
So you can make all those connections but you can't connect shota (art of prepubescent boys) to pedophiles (people who like prepubescent boys)? Nonna… just own it at this point. You have no shame in defending it but can't even call it what it is

No. 2256121

>>2256118
Ew how do you even know what a childs body looks like

No. 2256124

>>2256121
Because I have eyes, pedofag

No. 2256125

>>2256120
>comparing women liking anime boys to real life men who force women to look prepubescent and young forever
at this point you are either being dense on purpose or cant read for shit.

No. 2256126

>>2256124
So you are looking at children's bodies and projecting onto normal women who dont? and you call others pedos? wtf

No. 2256127

>>2256124
>Going on imageboards
>Presumably watches anime (which panders to lolicons pretty much every season)
>SHOTACONS ARE BAD
Okay then go to facebook or something kek.

No. 2256129

>>2256112
Going with this, since he's not a real British person (most say he's pseudo jap), not a real demon summoner (imagine the demonic effects it could have on readers) then he's also not a real…

No. 2256130

>>2256107
What's wrong with that? It's not actual children?

No. 2256131

>>2256057
>>2256044
I understand that but you are both wrong, seeing people use the term casually does not actually mean it lost it's sexual meaning it just means you got used to seeing it. this is a real problem online.

No. 2256132

>>2256129
real british children of his time didnt have demon powers but instead were working on the mines

No. 2256135

>>2256126
0/10 effort troll, moid hands wrote this
>>2256127
>goes on imageboards
>assumes everyone on imageboards watches anime to cope (I don't)
>Has zero argument against being a pedophile who shlicks to drawings of little boys like a tranny so she has to accuse everyone of watching anime and being just as bad
Just take the L at this point, pedofags. You're embarrassing yourselves

No. 2256136

>>2256131
>it just means you got used to seeing it. this is a real problem online.
Almost like that's the argument against calling women who draw cartoons pedophiles, something that should be used to label monsters that abused children and ruined their lives.

No. 2256138

>>2256130
They are real women cosplaying as real children(using their used clothes). Not cartoons. I wonder if most of you are aware that santa claus doesnt exist since you seem to conflict real life with fantasy pretty easily.

No. 2256140

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Real question, what happens if your shota is canonically 20?

No. 2256141

>>2256136
A pedophile isn't only someone who offends, retard. If you're sexually attracted to depictions of children, you're a pedophile. Period. You don't earn le evil title only after you diddle a child kekk imagine having to change the definition of pedophile to cope with it fitting you.

No. 2256143

>>2256136
Should add actually real fr fr children since now there has to be a fucking distinction made in case someone "abused" some art they posted on twitter.

No. 2256145

>>2256135
>assumes everyone on imageboards watches anime to cope
Then gtfo to facebook you fuckin normie.
>so she has to accuse everyone of watching anime and being just as bad
Anime panders to what you call pedophiles pretty much every season, so wouldn't you also be a pedophile by partaking in watching it by your logic?

No. 2256146

>>2256131
No, Japanese people use the term like that. Zun called Flandre a loli even when she isn't sexualized. It has nothing to do with how sexualized a character is.

No. 2256147

>>2256125
You can identify pedophilic behaviour but turn a blind eye when it's a form of it that you personally like, noted.

No. 2256152

>>2256141
Apparently you can earn it in a couple of minutes using a pencil and a piece of paper.

No. 2256153

>>2256147
Again comparing real life men preying on real women who use real children's clothes to a woman liking a fictional character voiced by a woman who doesnt act or look anything like an irl child. Wake me up when moids are pickmemaxxing by wearing whatever the male equivalent of mezzo piano is and shaving their full bodies and applying creams to look perpetually like teens.

No. 2256154

>>2256145
>Then gtfo to facebook you fuckin normie.
Bitch you need to GTFO back to reddit KEK this isn't even an anime board you retarded pedo
>Anime panders to what you call pedophiles pretty much every season, so wouldn't you also be a pedophile by partaking in watching it by your logic?
How does that counter any of my arguments at all? I don't watch anime, and I do agree it's pedophilic sexist slop for hopeless autists who are never making it out in real life. Nonetheless, a normie who watches shonen shit without thinking too much about it isn't nearly as bad as a shotafag

No. 2256155

Who knew the easiest way to draw out all the troons on lolcow was to say "shota bad". Kek with these mental gymnastics it's so obvious scrote hands are banging out these arguments(scrotefoiling)

No. 2256158

>>2256154
> this isn't even an anime board
our board mascots are animu and the imageboard format is based on a japanese anime forum

No. 2256161

>>2256154
>this isn't even an anime board you retarded pedo
All imageboards are weebshit whether you like it or not.
All the annoying tradthots posting lately need to ingrate honestly.

No. 2256167

>>2256131
It's been in casual use for more than 20 years, that's just what the term means now

No. 2256171

>>2256154
>I don't watch anime, and I do agree it's pedophilic sexist slop for hopeless autists who are never making it out in real life
You're literally in the fandom discourse thread kek

No. 2256173

>>2256146
That doesn't mean that the term isn't sexual, it just means that the Japanese don't see anything wrong with using a sexual/porn category to describe a child. Honey senpai also got called a shota constantly in OHSHC and he wasn't sexualized at all, if anything he was meant to be moe, but it's clear the author was aware of the sexual connotations of the term when she made yaoi jokes about it.
>>2256153
>Wake me up when moids are pickmemaxxing by wearing whatever the male equivalent of mezzo piano is and shaving their full bodies and applying creams to look perpetually like teens.
Wake up, nonna. Trannies exist.
>>2256158
No, it's not "animu" and I don't give a shit about the format kek what a reach. So many things about LC are based on 4chan yet we don't act like them, do we? Honestly just stay in 4chan if you wanna shlick it to children's micropenises so bad, plenty of faggots there to accept your pedophilia
>>2256161
>Anyone who isn't a pedophile like m is a tradthot
Go back to 4chan

No. 2256174

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>>2255731
>"black woman"
>straight hair, slightly tan skin, gray eyes, thin nose and lips, korean name

No. 2256176

>>2256076
And they don't care. I spam my love live waifu whenever I get the chance on this very site and have never been called a pedophile. If i spammed ciel or killua, one of these mentally ill bitches would come out of the woodwork to call me just that.

No. 2256177

>>2256171
…And?? how is this not suited for fandom discourse? You are aware fandom encapsulates any media and not just anime shit, right?

No. 2256178

>Honey senpai also got called a shota constantly in OHSHC and he wasn't sexualized at all
What happened to 'I don't watch anime'

No. 2256181

>>2256155
I wanna believe it's just trannies, but I guarantee you half of these shotafags will later go on to call any lolicon tranny a pedophile in the MTF thread kek

No. 2256182

>>2256177
You're pulling a 'never making it out in real life' while posting in a thread where we complain about troons and annoying people in fandoms kek.
Like, I fully accept that I'm a smelly fujoshi I just hate hypocritical tradthots such as yourself.

No. 2256183

>>2256173
Usuually there's a difference when they use "shota/loli" and "child".
If it's not meant to be taken seriously they use the former. If it's meant to be a serious issue in the story, the latter.

No. 2256185

>>2256178
"What happened" is OHSHC came out in 2006 kek. I watched it over a decade ago, shotafag. Rest assured, I haven't been retarded ever since.

No. 2256186

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>>2256099
>It doesn't, it's just a bishie manlet. Again asuka and rei are the same age as ciel and they arent lolis.
Wait, is that what this is all about? I made >>2255963 because I thought Anons were arguing over how right pic related isn't shota. Shinji is only a "shota" by technicality of being fourteen but if a woman is masturbating to Shinji Akari x Kaworu Nagisa yaoi she's in no way fucking weird in the slightest because Shinji at best looks like a young twink not child-like in the slightest. You'd be severely pedantic and nitpicky to claim otherwise. Same goes for Ciel too as he looks like crippled twink with dwarfism. I really think it's only weird and gross to the point where it's questionable if, and only if, the character you're getting your jollies from looks, acts, and is meant to be a child through and through.

No. 2256187

>>2256182
>Anyone who's not a pedophile like me is a tradthot
Get a new insult already, I told you to go back to 4chan, autist. Also kekking at
>I'm just le wholesome stinky fujofag!!!
…Who happens to shlick it to little boys genitals.(fujo-sperging)

No. 2256189

>>2256185
Anon you're on a mongolian shadow puppets forum calling random smelly women pedophiles, you're just as retarded as the rest of us if not more so.

No. 2256194

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>>2256189
Can you go shower already instead of repeating how much of le stinky wholesome chungus fujofag you are? I'm actually leagues above pedos who jerk it to drawings of children, actually. And I also shower

No. 2256196

>>2256194
Not with that moid you ain't…

No. 2256197

Honestly, all i know is that in the event that screeching moralfags get their way and nuke shota off the planet, they'd just move on to the next censorship moral crusade and keep going until there's nothing left, which is why you shouldn't give them a single inch.

No. 2256200

>>2256189
you're arguing with someone who doesnt watch anime and isnt familiar with image boards, its pointless

No. 2256206

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>>2256154
> Nonetheless, a normie who watches shonen shit without thinking too much about it isn't nearly as bad as a shotafag
Not only does the most popular shonenshit anime has a 14 yo whos constanly showing her panties and being sexually harassed by an old man, but it has this monstrosity of a character thats a loli in a micro bikini.

No. 2256208

I had thought the shota ban was silly cause I was under the impression there was barely any shotafags around to begin with, but maybe I was wrong.

No. 2256214

Can we talk about normal things like fandom pretending to be feminist while saying the most anti-women takes ever? I still can't get over trannies insisting some ecchi gl manga with no men in it is somehow more feminist than a bl manga with actually interesting plot developments and characters (some of which are literally women)

No. 2256218

>>2256208
Pro-tip: we're all tired of you, not just shotafags. /you're annoying and just make discussion of any kind impossible. You ruined the anime threads for everybody, not just shotafags.

No. 2256223

>>2256197
Ryona and violence are already looked at in a similar way, look at the ouchie thread.

No. 2256229

>>2256173
>No, it's not "animu"
Elsie and 2x-tan are anime, are you blind or something.

No. 2256235

>>2256229
Seriously, why do they think we use honorifics like -chan and -tan in the first place? Where do they think those came from? California?

No. 2256238

>>2256218
Lol I don't even know who you're mistaking me for

No. 2256239

>>2256235
maybe they think they are meant to be chinese

No. 2256240

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tangentially related, but wasn't Kieran top of some yumeship stuff in Japan for a few months (dethroning Rika)

No. 2256292

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>>2256041
Yeah, it was this one. Even for a fandom who loves moids I’m disappointed in their taste kek. I liked Cure, but I would never place Ivan anywhere near first place, he’s the most boring moid personality-wise and has the most boring design, he looks like generic korean webtoon boy #92792473. Luka at least is more interesting and Till is more endearing. Ivan’s claim to fame is being an angsty gay dude hopelessly in love with and dying for a straight dude. Which I get would appeal to fandoms, but meh.

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>>2256240
Nevermind, he actually did dethrone Rika in a more recent popularity poll and got a piece of merch as a result but he was also in the top 5 of the 2023 yumejo poll.

No. 2256294

>>2256293
Kiki is powerful…

No. 2256306

>>2256045
>why is there a double standard with shotashits?
Because anons here schlick to it. I don't care about Loli or shota stuff, but if someone getting off to shotas isn't a pedophile then neither is getting off to lolicon

No. 2256350

>>2256292
I haven't watched a lot of it, but isn't Ivan's deal being pushy gay to Till?
I've found desperate, sometimes almost pathetic, seme are popular nowadays.

No. 2256353

>>2256306
Women aren't the ones raping children. Men are too retarded and should be kept in amish like communities without access to tv or videogames or books because they are low iq and can't differentiate reality from fiction. A moid reads catcher in the rye and he kills a beattle, a woman watches her dark romance crap and goes on with her life normally. They are too easily influenced and too prone to anger bursts. They are really too dumb to comprehend fiction.

No. 2256366

Never forget this is the same thread that had someone unironically arguing to ban all depictions of crossdressing in media because troons exist in real life.

No. 2256381

another day of moralfags directing their vitriol onto women instead of the moids who factually enact their perversions onto reality. yeah sure two opinions can co-exist but i never see this much effort into trying to deplatform and shame moid lolicons or having this redundant argument on lolicon threads in male imageboards.

No. 2256382

>>2256353
>Women aren't the ones raping children
Neither is every person who consumes Loli/shota raping kids, but point is if one is okay then both are

No. 2256388

>>2256381
The thing is, male degeneracy was forced onto women and now we have accepted it as normal. I seriously doubt these anons are walking completly unshaved and scolding moids for being pedos who want women to look like children. They arent sperging about female anime characters either, hell there was an anon defending shonenshit out of all things when literally all famous shonen authors are fucking pedos or pedos defender. Never 4get that when the samurai x guy was arrested all the shonen jump moid authors defended him. They always redirect it to women who aren't causing harm to irl boys, let alone men.

No. 2256390

>>2256382
Again, men can't differentiate reality from fiction. Women can. Men can't even play doom without wanting to shoot up their school.

No. 2256403

>>2256390
This. I grew up watching horror and reading tons of fics. I never once let that bleed into reality. I think the problem is now so many women are influenced by men and think it's okay to mix the two up. Yet, even with all that non sense, women arent shooting up schools or work places. Men are. Women arent pedos or raping men. Even with access to porn, men need unwilling women to be a part of their sick game.

No. 2256405

>>2256388
>Samurai X
Always have to Google to remember what this is actually talking about.

No. 2256409

>>2256388
Not all shonens are written by men, just saying. FMA is a technically a shonen.

No. 2256413

What I'm trying to understand is where do all the shotafags and pro-shotafags came from considering that on a regular day here it feels I'd cause an infighty derail if I say I like Shintaro Kago or some shit

No. 2256422

>>2256413
its infight bait. i dont think the nonas arguing are here to genuinely make a point or learn from the discussion. they just want to stir up shit intentionally since they know they can get away with it on an anonymous board. you can tell since some of them are genuinely acting obtuse and pulling out points that make no fucking sense outside of a bubble. its sad that the only time a thread gets active discussion is when its to harass and moralfag against women, especially on the fandom thread when theres plenty of retards to make fun of instead of hypothetical anons who do wrongthink

No. 2256425

>>2256413
Whats wrong with shintaro kago?

No. 2256431

>>2256413
Thread, time of day, and probably whether or not people want to talk with bait.

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>>2256431
I think most moralfags are compesating over their own taste being called problematic. I see this a lot in female circles where they get called out for liking something weird and they take it on other women by perpetuating the moralfag cycle. Our resident shotafag moralfag ended up being into loli rape VNs and weird racebait gijinkas, it feels like projection to me tbh

No. 2256451

>>2255634
I knew this was going to happen from the moment idiots started calling her a super duper butch gnc woman for having thick eyebrows and a metal leg. How gendies and troons manage to take the trophy every time when it comes to gender roles and misogynistic bullshittery is entirely to be expected, and yet they still want pats on the back for being subversive. Hyuna is only slightly out of the mold. No wonder female characters are so fucked. Actual invested readings of a character are for yaoi prettyboys and moeblobs if they're lucky.

I'm not asking anyone to automatically kneel before every female character (much less if you're a straight woman) but excuse me for thinking people who regurgitate surface level girlboss mommydom and other shit tropes reveal ulterior motives
>>2255731
>cool woman with dark angular features and prosthetic leg who leads a resistance group and regularly shows moments of fear, vulnerability, and care for others
>reduced to one note "brash badass"
>so progressive it wraps around to being racist
kek. truly the most brain melting character for gendies yet. A woman who doesn't look like a moeblob that isn't a gendie or a TIM

No. 2256460

i dont know if anyone has seen this happen in other fandom spaces but im slowly seeing nsfw artists mostly moids cry about that theyre not actually porn brain rotted that theyre definitely have productive lives despite tweeting every second or outright saying theyre asexual and only draw as a "hobby" am i going schizo

No. 2256465

>>2256413
I think we can all agree
>Arguing over pornography is retarded.

No. 2256466

>>2256445
I'm just gonna leave this here
https://archive.ph/iro2V

No. 2256467

>>2256460
what is up with this artist? he clearly has a gimmick for making silly wholesome animal content but sporadically makes "nsfw creators be like" memes with his cute animal mascots. does he have skeletons in his closet or something, is there a psyop?

No. 2256469

>>2256460
This guy does NSFW? i bet its all fat gay furries.

No. 2256471

>>2256467
Afaik Keke is gay and a furry/talks to furries

No. 2256473

>>2256467
>U-u-umm see, fellow scrotes?? I'm not a nerd, I can be a heckin based gooner too!

No. 2256476

>>2256466
the fucking empath chan cameo caught me off guard KEK holy shit

No. 2256479

>>2255996
>Yet you still say anons into it to have "low pedophilic tendencies". That isn't an accusation you should just throw around like you were just calling someone fucked up or weird.
I mean, what else is it? Did I use the wrong word? What do you call someone who looks at porn of drawn children who look like children and are meant to be children? I don't think they're full on pedophiles creeping on children at their local park but the tendency is there. It's not exactly a normie taste perse.

No. 2256482

>>2256466
annnd all of them are moids, if your point is most moids are hypocrites i agree but if you are implying women who call out these pedophiles are actually pedos themselves you better be retarded

No. 2256483

>>2256479
Normies are watching worse stuff, actual real porn with trafficked victims.

No. 2256486

>>2256483
I'm not going to deny that, but that doesn't exactly detract from what I said.

No. 2256488

>>2256476
Empathchan is everywhere and in every drama online and no one still gives a fuck about her truly sad

No. 2256489

>>2256479
please let the topic fucking die holy shit you schizos are clearly going nowhere everybody is sick of this infight shitting up the thread

No. 2256494

>>2256486
It's worthless to try to discuss with you because you are dead set in thinking the cartoons with insane physics defying hair, inhumane proportions and toxic eye and hair colors equal a real child. Bet you think murders in movies equal murders irl.

No. 2256500

>>2256488
its pathetic..but its what she deserves

No. 2256509

>>2256482
Like most antis or people that boast about how morally righteous they are online women who piss their pants over what other women consume always have skeletons in their closet too, right, they likely dont molest and groom little kids like moids do but it's always some weird fucked up fetish that they read about on ao3 or something similar that they have the link saved on their pc

No. 2256510

>>2256494
>It's worthless to try to discuss with you because you are dead set in thinking the cartoons with insane physics defying hair, inhumane proportions and toxic eye and hair colors equal a real child. Bet you think murders in movies equal murders irl.
But I don't think any of that. You misunderstand. I don't think shota = irl real children, same for loli. They're drawings, they're not real and are meant to be representations of a child. Completely fictitious. Hell, I don't think it should be banned, or you can't even look at it. I just don't get how people who say liking or looking at sexual shota/loli stuff doesn't indicate anything of the person. That's what I've been trying to figure out.

No. 2256511

>>2256510
You sound like those moids that think women liking pretty anime bishies mean they are lesbians.

No. 2256517

>>2256511
What? I don't even think that either. I just want to know how it has no indication of that person and why it's wrong to say it does.

No. 2256518

>>2256510
Half of animes and mangas have young tall boys as protags, so you think half of the earth that lust over them are pedos?

No. 2256522

>>2256517
>Why do people push back when I throw around baseless pedo accusations?
You're stupid.

No. 2256523

>most antis
>Dr pizza mention
So that's where you people come from

No. 2256531

This thread always ends up devolving into shota/fujosperging. Anyways, does anyone here read comics? I know they're hard to follow sometimes, but it feels like the people that post about them don't even read them. This is probably just my autism but whenever someone acts like things from different continuities are true for every universe I want to a-log so bad

No. 2256535

>>2256518
No I don't think that either. I don't think that counts as shota either. I meant in the case of someone who looks at shota that is meant to look, act and is meant to be a young child.
>>2256522
I'm not saying they're pedophiles either, I just think if you masturbate to shotacon where the character is meant to be a young child it's at the very least indicative of pedophilic tendencies. Which, to me at least, as long as it's kept to pen and paper there's nothing inherently wrong with that. I don't see why it's such a problem to be aware of such a thing.

No. 2256544

>>2256531
There is a comic thread on /m/

No. 2256545

Idk. There's a reason why topics such as shota, loli, etc. make the average person rightfully uncomfortable. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why most people don't want to see a child being depicted in such a way, even if it's ficitonal. And as much as some of you scream and cry about it "not being real," or your interests "not equating to real life" I hate to break it to ya, but you're still a weirdo that gets off to fictional kids. Like how else do you think I, or anyone else for that matter, is supposed to respond to that? I suppose the more "tolerant" thing would be to block, ignore, and leave it be, but I also don't blame people for telling you all to fuck off.

No. 2256547

>>2256523
I don't even know what you are talking about but anyways keep going schizo because it's funny to read

No. 2256548

>>2256535
>why arent you guys letting me call you pedophiles huh? why are you guys so mad, you guys are pedos but there is nothing wrong with it uwu
holy fucking autism i bet you think you are the centrist, rational queen right now but you honestly sound fucking creepy and weird.

No. 2256549

>>2256547
Go back to Twitter.

No. 2256550

>>2256545
The problem is that other depictions of problematic things dont make you uncomfortable, it's hypocritical. You wouldnt sperg at murders in horror movies.

No. 2256552

>>2256531
As a DC fan, I try to read as many comics about my favorite characters as possible, as I think that's the right thing to do. Unfortunately, I'm also a Batman fan, and it seems the online fandom has devolved into a OOC shit show. Frankly, I blame Wayne Family Adeventures, but I've noticed doses of this before the webcomic was released. It'll just never make sense to me why people refuse to engage with the source material of something they're in fandom of.

No. 2256559

>>2256544
I never noticed, thanks!
>>2256552
>It'll just never make sense to me why people refuse to engage with the source material of something they're in fandom of.
That's what makes me so angry. I don't even think this phenomenon is exclusive to comics either. It feels like fandom spaces are just full of people that refuse to engage with the source material at all. They just absorb all their knowledge through fanon osmosis. It's embarrassing.

No. 2256567

>>2256548
If there is a different term I should use in relation to shota/loli then tell me. I don't get what is so confusing or wrong about what I'm saying.

No. 2256590

>>2256567
You dont even watch anime so i have no fucking idea why you care this much. Go watch your normie crap with women getting metoo'd to get a role.

No. 2256594

>>2256590
What are you talking about. I mostly read manga, but I have watched anime here and there.
>Go watch your normie crap with women getting metoo'd to get a role.
What.

No. 2256600

>>2256550
I'm sorry if me not liking or engaging in fictional children getting diddled makes me a hypocrite, anon.

No. 2256610

>>2256600
So you are okay with murder, see?

No. 2256624

>>2256549
>Moralfag saying this
Ahahahaha

No. 2256632

>>2256610
Nta but yes

No. 2256635

>>2256610
They watch women getting gutted alive and raped in horror movies but draw the line at anime boys

No. 2256639

>>2256610
Eh. I suppose I am. I do enjoy a good horror movie now and again. Just like you're OK with fictional kiddie porn, I suppose. I mean, I don't know what to tell you anon. I don't see society accepting your passions for fictional child porn any time soon.

No. 2256646

>>2256635
It's possible to hate both.

No. 2256662

This is so retarded.

No. 2256670

I think rpf isn't a big deal and more women should engage in it. It's only fair we get to sexualize moids that spend their entire careers sexualizing and using women

No. 2256682

>>2256467
The skeletons in his closet are that he is French.
But jokes aside, I always have the same question. This dude has probably made dozens of these "me when I'm a heckin chungus wholesome porn artist" things through the years, but I don't remember him ever making any lewd stuff himself?? He even made a thing once about how "waah sfw artists get more attention for doing nsfw art than nsfw artists for doing sfw art, will nobody think of the epic wholesome porn artists?" which is a weirdly specific non-issue to cry about. It's a really weird for someone that doesn't even draw porn to be this interested in how online people treat online porn artists.
Does he have a porn account that I've never heard of?

>>2256471
Tinfoil that he does this so that the online furry porn artists are so grateful for him whiteknighting them that they'll let him suck their dicks.

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>>2256670
it intrigues me how sports seems to have a high amount of rpf shippers into it and I find it funny since sports are mostly male dominated hobbies that have the worst and most violent moid archetypes into it. I think the men are too ugly to find hot enough to sexualize but kudos to the women who make graphic content of them; moids should not be exempt from sexual harassment actresses face on a daily basis.

>>2256682
he does have a lot of furry barafag orbiters so I think hes staying on their good grace so he gets free art out of it. or maybe hes just french and hes degenerate by nature kek

No. 2256695

>>2256688
>moids should not be exempt from sexual harassment actresses face on a daily basis.
HOLY SHIT. THIS. Even the most vile rpf fan can’t reach the evil that men do when they talk about female celebrities. Moids blew up an ai picture of Taylor Swift for the whole world to see but female fans that hide their shame on fanfiction sites the moid celebs don’t even know about are the issue. Fuck off.

No. 2256699

>>2256662
retarded website

No. 2256707

>>2256624
I don't care about loli or shotacon

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No. 2256714

>>2256670
honestly I don't remember seeing much backlash against rpf back when I was active in those types of fandoms (~2010) is this a recent thing or was I just ignorant?

No. 2256784

>>2256714
With how shitty shipping and fandom culture as a whole has gotten lately, yeah, there's been some pushback. I don't see male celebrities as people, though, so I couldn't care less

No. 2256785

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>>2256709
chinese artists make pretty damn decent artwork of sports moid youd forget they were originally 3dpds

No. 2256799

>>2256785
that fucking gross honker is something only an ugly 3DPD with years of inbreeding could have

No. 2256820

>>2256531
Fandoms with multiple continuities can be so hit-and-miss when it comes to either keeping conts straight or blending them– some seem to be better at understanding fan content is where concepts from multiple continuities can be stitched together (and will usually tell you what parts they're taking/leaving/swapping out), while others assume everything is true in each canon all at once, making discussion an absolute nightmare. Gets even worse when the latter is combined with the type of 'fans' who have never read/watched a complete story and just run on their perception of characters that's based off of random snippets from random continuities that they've seen bandied around on social media.

I know they can be confusing to get into at first with how books work and disruptive gimmicks like crossover events etc, but comics are such a low-effort medium to consume and yet so many people claiming to be fans can't seem to muster the 10 minutes of attention required to even skim an issue. Baffling.

No. 2256881

>>2256670
>>2256714
I think it's weird, sorry.

>>2256820
Has comics fandom ever been good? Hasn't it always been notorious for being shit?

No. 2256882

>>2256670
The problem is that women into RPF always take it too far and harass the wives and girlfriends of the moids.

No. 2256895

>>2256882
This is absolutely true, but I don't think this kind of behavior is exclusive to rpf fans. You really do have to be a special kind of delusional to go after the real life partners of your favorite moids.

No. 2257124

>>2256670
>>2256714
every single rpf shipper that I've known has ended up transitioning, it's basically a guarantee of troonism

No. 2257126

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>>2255917
wokie fandomtards genuinely believe any character with a slight-tan is automatically non-white

No. 2257136

>>2256881
>Has comics fandom ever been good? Hasn't it always been notorious for being shit?
it might just be nostalgia talking, but imo it was a lot more fun (genuine?) before films based on comics became super mainstream/popular or the 'nerd chic' trend during the 2010s. Also it's very dependent on the comic itself, even within larger umbrellas like Marvel or DC, different runs will have fandoms that feel and behave differently to each other or the larger fandom that surrounds them

>>2256670
if it were just people sexualising them I wouldn't think much of it, I guess, but rpf always seems to spiral out of control in a way that regular fandom rarely does. it is kinda skeevy though imo to apply kink shit to real living people/their relationships, for example that Taylor Swift one that got some attention a while ago. I also struggle to understand how divorced some rpf stuff is from the real persons in question kek, like it'll be some averagely handsome sportsplayer man but buried under ten layers of poetic tattoos, smoking habits, piercings, daddy dom shit, mafia boss, general crime, 2deep4u edgy nonsense with a side order of loss of agency on the self-insert's part. maybe I'm the sped though for not being able to see how point a leads organically to b kek

No. 2257157

>>2256670
RPF is disturbing because a lot of it today is autistic Kpopfags writing lesbian fanfiction of female k-pop stars to the point they start believing their headcanons themselves and forget how their subjects are a part of a horrifying industry exploiting and abusing young artists and prohibiting them from dating to make them seem more appealing as singles, not because they're secretly lesbian. The amount of people treating them as fictional characters and posting fancams of these girls standing next to each other and screaming "omg they're literally married" like they weren't real sentient people is seriously unnerving. And I say this as a lesbian myself.

No. 2257159

>>2256670
Historical RPF is the best kind of RPF. We’re super underground but if you know where to find us lurking behind the Frev and Hamiltards then you’d be surprised at the quality of content that gets churned out.

No. 2257169

>>2257159
lol no, those tards are even more delusional

No. 2257181

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>>2257159
i would ´t call hamiltonfags genuine historyfags since the musical is historically inaccurate but yeah historical rpf fandom is the best. unhinged in the best way and a lot of really talented and dedicated people. i follow age of sail, frev and napoleonic people and the fanart and fic are better than in most fandoms.

No. 2257204

>>2257159
Honestly from what I've seen historical RPF is at real danger of getting people into shit that has real life consequences. I've seen enough people develop borderline authoritarian ideals from being into shipping military leaders and dictators to avoid RPF shippers like the plague. There's something so detached from reality in being able to write fiction of real people that shows up as a red flag to me.

No. 2257215

>>2256206
I'm so glad toriyama died and i hope his final moments were filled with misery. I fucking hate that disgusting pedo

No. 2257224

>>2257215
I'm so glad fujos into dragon ball exist because they make all the perverted coomers seethe by drawing their favourite power fantasy roidpig taking it up the ass. Men like toriyama deserved it.

No. 2257256

>>2257204
I've never seen that (though I don't doubt it), but I've seen people brush aside actual atrocities and crimes against humanity for the sake of creating "ship art", such as using the german invasion of poland to male gay to make rape porn

No. 2257262

>>2257204
that's wack. historical rpf is literally just historical fiction, something that's been around for centuries. people have been writing whole novels about the imagined lives and sexuality if famous figures since forever

No. 2257263

>>2257181
NTA, there are people who are Hamiltonfags for the real guy, American history has a lot of rpf
>>2257262
This

No. 2257265

>>2257262
>people have been writing whole novels about the imagined lives and SEXUALITY of famous figures since forever
that's troon logic, just because degenerates existed doesn't mean it was normal or accepted

No. 2257270

>>2257265
You're dense.

No. 2257272

>>2257265
lmao wat? all romance and erotica is troon degeneracy now? get a grip

No. 2257280

>>2257272
the only people who ever write about the
>imagined lives and SEXUALITY of famous figures
would have been 90% gay pedophiles

No. 2257286

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speaking of moid delusion

No. 2257289

>>2257286
Some of these are bullshit but i've seen a few bl manga with ntr and mindbreak in them. Compared to what men like, most of what women like are either very vanilla or kinda vanilla with the worst being ryona on male kek.

No. 2257290

>>2257286
>Attempting to include vanilla
>Only 75

No. 2257292

>>2257286
I mean, the post was made by a porn artist, not really surprising

No. 2257309

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>>2257159
Based. For me, it’s Mary Renault’s Alexander trilogy. The first (and best) ever lesbian fujo

No. 2257318

>>2257280
What is your reasoning for this?

No. 2257320

>>2257309
I know what you are

No. 2257323

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>>2257169
>>2257181
You Nonas misread my point entirely, I meant to say that all the good RPF content is hiding BEHIND the dung pile of Frev and Hamilfag slop. I would never compliment a burger or a frog if my life depended on it.

>>2257204
Come oooooon nona, nothing wrong with shipping a war criminal or two! You’d just know they’d be writhing in their graves watching you sketch them giving their mortal enemy the sloppiest head in history x

>>2257262
And this! Historical RPF is nothing new, it’s just a modern term to describe an autistic level genre of fiction that’s been going strong for as long as we could bring pen to paper or communicate via spoken word.

>>2257265
‘Troon logic’? Even the majority of mainstream historical biographies occasionally spiral off on tangents elaborating on little clues within a person’s life to create an interesting narrative that draws in the reader. So unless you’d call a stuffy academic holed up in his or her study, obsessing over the little details of a 400 year old monarch’s favourite foods ‘troon logic’ then I’m happy to write this one off as bait.

>>2257286
Now THIS is pure, unadulterated troon logic, kek.

>>2257309
Will give it a try, thanks nona.

No. 2257324

>>2257323
there's actually no chance you won't end up mutilating yourself somewhere down the line. I feel sorry for your family(bait)

No. 2257328

>>2257324
I like my men two balls, one cock, all natural. But whatever gets you off, nona.

No. 2257335

>>2256206
Normie shonentards watched Dragon Ball when they were even younger than the characters and most likely didn't notice how inappropriate this is. Normie shonentards who watch or read this series when they're older pretend it's not there because they find that shit offputting but they're too normie to be found online. They'd rather erase the female characters because they don't fight as much as Goke and Vegeta and Piccolo but that's another issue altogether. I'm way more wary of the western adult otaku who treat not liking Chichi in a bikini like it's a personal attack against them and who retweet NSFW art of that shit as a form of protest against the left and against censorship. You know the type.

No. 2257354

>>2254329
On your point about the fandom, basically anyone who uwufies Curly and doesn’t seem to remember HE indirectly caused this to happen because he ignored Anya’s concerns.

No. 2257355

>>2257335
yeah tbh I haven't met a normie db/dbz enjoyer out in the wild yet who even registered the earlier horny aspects of the series or, if it did somehow come up in conversation, found them uncomfortable at best (hell, if they do find any of the characters hot it's usually adult Bulma and Android 18, and very few of them even watched db and so aren't really familiar with the main cast being younger/kids anyway). Most people my age where I am grew up with dbz as a morning cartoon when they were like six or something and consider it as being in the same ballpark as pokemon or digimon etc, they just think its cool and fun and enjoy its silly power escalation. Normie fans are very different to actual otaku, even the ones who obsess over a given battle shounen, and ime tend to find other anime, even completely tame stuff, a bit off-putting. They're loyal and interested in the one show, not all anime.

No. 2257378

>>2256173
>Honey senpai also got called a shota constantly in OHSHC
Oh man you just reminded me of how those old scans translated shotacons as pedophiles kek

No. 2257413

>>2256688
>it intrigues me how sports seems to have a high amount of rpf shippers
soccer and people who draw early 2010s deviantart level yaoi have a massive overlapping demographic. I was exposed to the 2 most recent world cup tournaments exclusively through Hetalia-esque art of countries (not the irl players, the countries) playing soccer and fingerings eachother

No. 2257439

>>2257159
For me, it's politician RPF (Trudea/Macron)

No. 2257452

>>2257378
>shotacons as pedophiles
based

No. 2257455

Please don't bring the shotasperging back. At least the RPF shit is funny.

No. 2257457


No. 2257458

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she's absolutely right

No. 2257461

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>>2256466
There was a guy who made anti child molestation animations for kids in third world countries (so they're pretty hilarious and feature the kids saying fuck and aids)
Aaaand he turned out to rape kids

No. 2257468

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>>2257204
RPF is turbo cringe unless its done in the way shit like fate is done, where they are so moefied they look more like a mockery of the real thing rather than an endorsement. My problem with RPFags is that they are annoying pickmes treating their ugly 3DPD moids like husbandos, especially when all of them were def pedos and misogynist due to the time they were born in.

No. 2257470

>>2257468
I mostly agree but I still laughed at someone saying that Ryan Reynolds wants to make a movie with Tom Holland so he can molest him.

No. 2257481

>>2257461
There are so many moids in animation that are child molesters. Recently a key animator for ratatouille got arrested for producing child pornography, apparently disney knew he was a child sex offender and continued to give him work afterwards.

No. 2257482

>>2257461
I think you could tell right away from the animations that he was a child molester

No. 2257484

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No. 2257486

>>2257484
Its honestly grim to see anti child exploitation ads where it doesnt end with ''tell your parents and the police'' like in the western ones.

No. 2257495

>>2257486
Ro be fair it was made for kids without that luxury, just happens to be made by someone who also took advantage of kids like that

No. 2257496

>>2257461
>Peter

It's always fucking Peters. And Jeffs (Dahmer, Epstein, Bezos). Stay away from Peters and Jeffs they're evil.

No. 2257499

>>2257495
then how did they watch the cartoons

No. 2257500

>>2257486
what happens then?

No. 2257501

>>2257499
I think they just put kids they found on the street in a room and showed it to them
>>2257500
You have a barbacue.

No. 2257504

If I remember correctly, many japanese sex tourists go to the philippines to exploit children and then sell those photos of abused children in japan, which would serve as inspiration and references for child rape doujins

No. 2257511

>cartoonist rapists:
>cartoonist rapists in japan:

No. 2257515

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>>2257511
Same set up different outcome

No. 2257516

>>2257511
what the fuck is wrong with you

No. 2257517

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No. 2257519

>>2257515
damn peter got diddled? how do moids deal with that revelation

No. 2257522

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>>2257519
Maybe they self insert as the kid he's talking to instead?

No. 2257525

>>2257522
oh i remember /co/ moids cumming to this one and making straight shota fanart of it

No. 2257526

>>2257525
Like I said, moids are pretty obviously gonna self insert in this one.

No. 2257528

>>2257526
they should have made her fat and ugly if they wanted moids to actually care

No. 2257533

>>2257519
I don't think they would care, Guts from Berserk is an incredibly popular character amongst moids and everyone knows he was raped by a man as a kid. They even make jokes about it.

No. 2257534

>>2257515
note that they didn't actually show any sexual abuse, any media that is supposedly about how child exploitation and rape are bad, but takes a lot of effort to show or frame it erotically, is 100% made by paedophiles

No. 2257537

>>2257533
maybe true a few years ago, now that moids have gotten porn sick, they are constantly making jokes about gut's and griffith's rape, the Berserk meme subreddit will sometimes be straight up cropped gay porn or hentai

No. 2257541

>>2257534
what a revelation, sherlock

No. 2257542

>>2257537
>>2257533
I mean they still violently hated the new Joker movie because he got raped in it.

No. 2257545

>>2257542
he does? now i need to watch it

No. 2257549

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>>2257545
Yup. I thought the movie was pretty on par with the first one, both are like 5/10s, I think moids were just mad that it was a musical and it made Joker more appealing to yumes in a relatable victim way over a 'le society' way that they prefer

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>>2257549
And also he kisses a guy at the beginning of the movie.

No. 2257556

>>2257549
>>2257552
this is hilarious what a middle finger to their edgy incel audience

No. 2257557

>>2257556
Retards unironically thought that he was gonna fight Batman kek.

No. 2257593

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I hate how horrible the indie animation fandom is. Everything they make is so devoid of creativity. Either boring SOL crap or 3edgy5u wannabe deep and edgy cartoons written by people that think the fnaf lore is deep

No. 2257596

>>2257542
4chan got so mindbroken over the rape scene they even made a general about it kek
And those are the same retards who won't bat an eye at shit like Irreversible, but suddendly an off-screen scene is too much for them
>>2257549
The first movie was not that good tbh aside from cinematography, and Todd Phillips is a pretentious bastard that purposely sabotaged this movie (no screen-testing, inflated the budget by shooting on L.A., refusing to take advice) because he hated his audience, but in the end everyone got what they deserved kek
Incels are mad because their revenge fantasy spat on their faces, the movie is hated by critics which must be hurting Todd Phillips' ego and Warner Bros lost a lot of money because nobody bothered to tard-wrangle Phillips

No. 2257597

>>2257439
I’ve always been curious about this one. I’m not condemning you or anything (I’d be a massive hypocrite if I did) but would you kindly explain the appeal? I tend to fictionalise figures from the past and separate the versions we interpret from their real selves, but I can’t see myself doing that with anyone post-1900, especially not someone alive today. P.S. Asking in good faith!

No. 2257603

>>2257596
As the one nona on earth who specifically has rape fantasies about Joker (with him as the victim) you have watered my flowers, puffed up my pillows and made my day by letting me know of this scene’s existence. Wish they allowed cute emoticons on here but you are free to imagine me sprinking kawaii unicode faces all over this post.

No. 2257604

>>2257597
Not her, but it's simply hilarious.

No. 2257612

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>>2257603
Who's raping him in your fantasies though? Himself?

No. 2257633

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>>2234433
You weren't kidding, because like 1/3rd of the replies and qrts to picrel were about hyuna and luka. It's almost bizarre how much they fetishize the most heterosexual thing you can imagine, but are unwilling to accept the reality. It's no wonder they troon out
https://x.com/itsjustfoku/status/1856299265280139472/quotes

No. 2257637

>>2257593
The only good thing produced is Lackadaisy (and it's still not really to my taste). And that's all because Tracy Butler herself has genuine interests that her story is a vehicle for. She puts a crazy amount of research into her story. It also helps that she's older.

No. 2257638

>>2257286
Cuck anxiety;dr

No. 2257640

>>2257549
>>2257556
KEK get fucked incels, I love this movie now

No. 2257641

>>2257637
Yes, i was actually going to praise lackadaisy on my post but i forgot. It's also the only one thats beautifully animated and drawn.

No. 2257643

>>2257637
The animation is great but the story is boring as fuck and the voice acting is probably the worst I've seen in an indie animation honestly.

No. 2257648

>>2257643
many modern american voice actors are just internet meme youTubers who can do funny voices, like this faggot who married a troon

No. 2257657

>>2257648
Eh, say what you will about Vivzie's stuff but even in the youtube stuff she does she gets pretty good voice actors.
I think most animation coming out nowadays is pretty boring though.

No. 2257662

>>2257657
vivizie hired the talent she wanted and I honestly respect her for it, even brendan rogers (who is an insufferable faggot) is a better voice actor than most crunchyroll va's

No. 2257663

>>2257533
>>2257537
Berserk isn't a good example imo because yeah the story tells you these men get rated but the only rapes that are fully showed with spread pages and even sexualized are the ones targeting women. They don't care and even joke about it because their favourite male chads didn't get explicitly humiliated.

>>2257542
Versus here where their favourite sigma male is actually shown kissing a man and his rape scene is not fully shown but heavily implied (iirc you see the guards holding him down and making comments and then he's shown with his pants down or without them being dragged away). It's funny because Joker 2 is really a mid movie like the first, but the first coddled the loser incels dreaming about revenge on le society while this one shows how miserable and mentally ill they really are.

No. 2257667

>>2257662
Agreed.
>>2257663
I think it's also important to note that it happened to Guts as a child instead of an adult, I feel like had it been when he was already considered a 'badass adult' they would have been way more pissed.

No. 2257669

>>2257663
>Berserk isn't a good example imo because yeah the story tells you these men get rated but the only rapes that are fully showed with spread pages and even sexualized are the ones targeting women. They don't care and even joke about it because their favourite male chads didn't get explicitly humiliated.
you'd expect that, but no, if you go to the berserk meme subreddit, half the humor will just be gay rape jokes
https://www.reddit.com/r/berserklejerk

No. 2257671

>>2257657
>>2257662
I like vivzie because at least her show is ''unique'', as in there isnt another theater kid edgy sparkle dog cartoon. Meanwhile most indie pilots are things we have already seen done better before.

No. 2257676

>>2257643
I think the story is fine it's just not enough content for a series. It seems like something that should be a movie or a 6 episode mini series at best. When it's presented as a comic people forgive a lot because the art is so beautiful. In animation though a lot of that beauty gets lost and the decision to tell the story as a series instead of a film affects the pacing of the story. There's not a whole lot is there?

No. 2257679

>>2257637
Tbf it's also so slow and old that most that would have held interest in have long since moved to things that get more attention.

No. 2257680

>>2257671
I don't like Vivzie's stuff but she's eked out good production values given her budget and like you said it 'feels unique'. Nothing she's putting out is wholly original but it is tastes and aesthetics that have mostly existed online while Vivzie is throwing actual money to convert those aesthetics into a cartoon. I think she gets too much hate as a creator/person.

I think Tracy just isn't a good judge of voice performance quality but I also think her tastes are kind of dated so they don't sound as good to modern ears.

No. 2257685

>>2257679
I wonder if maybe it would have been better for Tracy to release her story as a Visual Novel. People forgive a lot when it comes to VN artwork, she could reuse backgrounds and sprites and use more written text to convey thoughts and actions. VNs can vary from 'books with some illustrations' to more like 'motion comics with text'. The comic format is just too laborious and Tracy refuses to simplify the artwork (it got more complex over time) or to get assistants.

The important thing being that people actually buy VNs/games while people mostly refuse to financially support animation/video. Idk if patreon was ever enough.

No. 2257692

>>2257685
Most of the creative types are moving onto games for this reason, it's just a much easier way of making a profit/putting out art and has an easier time making a profit compared to animation/comics.
Just look at mouthwashing for a super recent example.

No. 2257696

>>2257692
Kind of sad but people are used to video being free and get offended at the expectation of paying even when it can be expensive to produce. Animation could only persist on TV because it was subsidized by ads, but that also offends people (and youtube's payout is terrible anyway).

No. 2257704

>>2257643
>>2257648
I honestly blame VA's like Micheal Kovach,he's everywhere in indie animation circles and he gets hired no matter what even though his voice sucks ass.he ruins everything he's in.I can say the same about Elsie Lovelock too.

No. 2257710

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>>2257657
>>2257637
The bar is still low for indie animation you got a few gems like Lackadaisy but then absolute garbage like this gets greenlit.

No. 2257877

>>2257286
>"ugly bastard", "prostitution" and "netorare" as female fetishes
>"lolicon" in tiny rectangle for male fetish despite having 96k results and "vanilla" in large despite only having 75 results
Talk about male cope

No. 2257893

>>2257710
looks like an autistic recolour of steven universe

No. 2257912

>>2257710
Absolutely loathe this nu animu style

No. 2257915

>>2257710
The art style is gross. Letting popular tumblr artist flood the animation industry was a mistake I can visibly see the years of shitty fanart radiating off this

No. 2258046

>>2257877
men love accusing women of sexual degeneracy while simultaneously getting off on it. aren’t most shotacon men as well?

No. 2258051

>>2257710
the tumblr artstyle looks and has looked like complete shit and is only appealing to people who have had their brains fried while growing up on tumblr and I truly mean it

No. 2258108

>>2258046
>aren’t most shotacon men as well?
It's kinda complicated, there are shotacon men who have works specifically made for them (ie: boku no pico) but most men are only 'shotacons' in that they self insert as a shota because they want to get raped by an older woman with big tits.

No. 2258145

>>2258108
NTA but there's lots of gay shotacons

No. 2258149

>>2258145
I literally said that though, I'm just saying that most men are into /ss/.

No. 2258167

>>2258046
>aren’t most shotacon men as well?
Yeah, the vast majority of shotacons are gay men and even the amount of guys into /ss/ is way larger than the amount of women who want to fuck shotas. That image only makes sense if the girl is a fujo.

No. 2258169

>>2258167
Eh, kinda seems like a cope there anon.
Kuroshit was pretty much THE fujo anime and it was a shota anime.

No. 2258173

>>2258169
If you look through the shota tag on nhentai or something, the majority is clearly male oriented.

No. 2258174

>>2258169
Reread my post. You just proved my point.

No. 2258178

>>2258173
nhentai is vast majority stuff for men in general though, most of the doujins for women don't get reposted there.
Honestly doujins for women these days kinda don't get reposted a whole lot in general, myreadingmanga is trying to pander mainly to gay men after all.

No. 2258179

>>2258167
>>2258169
It seems like a cope considering >>2256293
Shota is number one in the yume popularity poll, it can't be all gay men pretending.

No. 2258181

shota/loli argument here is always so dumb. jp creators do not view them as actual children, point blank period. most jp fujoshi consume and create shota content because it's just a character archetype over there, these moralfag arguments do not exist. you either need to shift your thinking or just accept every single jp bl you probably get off to was written by a very likely "pedophile"

>>2258173
possibly because nhentai is a male website, dummy

No. 2258189

>>2257286
I know there are women who like those darker tags but
>ugly bastard
That is 100% a moid fetish. At least the rapists in hentai for women are supposed to be hot kek

No. 2258192

>>2258181
Idk about shotacons but japanese lolicon artist call real little girls lolis all the time on Twitter

No. 2258194

>>2258179
That wasn't the yume popularity poll, that was just a SV popularity poll that Kieran came first place in and I'm not saying no women are shotacons, I'm saying they are very miniscule to the amount of gay shotacons and men into /ss/, thinking otherwise is delusional. Kieran is also an outlier because many women only became shotacons because of him.

No. 2258195

>>2258181
>most jp fujoshi consume and create shota content because it's just a character archetype over there, these moralfag arguments do not exist. you either need to shift your thinking or just accept every single jp bl you probably get off to was written by a very likely "pedophile"
Some twittertards got mad about that when a Jiro x Saburo Hypmic doujinshi artist did work for the ikemen sanrio project kek. I think they really can't seem to grasp that it's just a normal thing in otaku circles over there.
>>2258189
I guess pick mes like sydsnap like ugly bastard.

No. 2258198

>>2258181
i'd also argue there's a difference between a child character and a "child" character. or rather realistically written kids (caillou, arthur, anya, the kids from witch hat atelier, etc.) vs characters that are obviously just young to justify certain character traits like inexperience or recklessness or immaturity or even to bait fans of moe (ciel, south park boys, the ghost boy from pokemon, venti, etc.).

>>2258189
>That is 100% a moid fetish
nope there have been fujos on this very site who admit to being into it + ugly bastards are a common mob trope in bl. women have varied tastes

No. 2258199

>>2258194
>Kieran is also an outlier because many women only became shotacons because of him.
Most women don't give a shit what trope a character's body type fits into but rather the character themself.

No. 2258200

>>2258181
I can buy this for female shotacons but there are lolifags into underage gravure and AI gen stuff.

No. 2258202

>>2258198
The South park kids pretty much just act the age that the plot of the episode needs them to act like kek.

No. 2258204

>>2258199
>Most women don't give a shit what trope a character's body type fits into but rather the character themself.
I'm well aware but I've seen tons of women say they "awoke" to shotas because of him. He has turned millions into shotacons.

No. 2258206

>>2258181
There have been more than a few (nonshota) series I've seen that had a male character de age at some point and both yume and fujo artists I would follow would be extremely happy about it, despite most otherwise not drawing that content. Just spamming "cute shota!?! Cute shota!! And emoji spam and posting pictures of the characters in sailor outfits and pjs.

No. 2258215

>>2258198
the witch hat atelier characters are anything but realistically written, its one of the most generic and tropey mangas i have ever read

No. 2258240

>>2258181
Some of you are extremely ignorant. The sexualization of young girls is prominent in Japanese culture - it doesn’t exist as a ”trope” in a vacuum.

No. 2258242

>>2258240
Its prominant literally everywhere, america has child beauty pageants and france has degen movies like leon the professional

No. 2258257

>>2258242
Nta nor am I an American part of this conversation but you are acting ignorant. Not gonna call myself the Nippon expert but if you consume enough non-fictional Japanese media you’ll know that it’s frankly acceptable if not expected for men to be into young girls (or young boys - I listened to a normie Japanese podcast and was shocked when the host casually described himself as a “shotacon” before describing an incident where a “middle-school boy” said something that “made him feel hot”. And his friends just laughed it off like haha you’re such a shotacon *-kun. Adult men and women. Yeah that’s not regular in the west. Same guy also described an old man harassing him in an onsen when he was a kid and they treated it as funny too.) It seems to me to be the worst in East Asia in this regard, at least I haven’t come across incidents like these with them yet. But there’s a reason why young idols are so big there and the industry hasn’t been severely reprimanded, is all I’m going to say.
Frankly, from my experience the fetishisation of youth just seems to be embedded in the culture. I can’t help but feel that way when there are sayings/terms common today that reflect this.

No. 2258295


No. 2258349

>>2256469
I bet he's into bara furry.

No. 2258362

The moralfagging around shotacon is so cancerous, reminds me of the tards that call fujoshis pornsick. Literally NLOG behaviour.

No. 2258368

>>2258362
""""shotacons"""" are pedophiles. simple as.

No. 2258372

>>2258362
It's already been proven that the loudest moralfags have skeletons in their closet.

No. 2258393

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>>2258368
interesting, why don't you go to make a tiktok crying about it?

No. 2258405

>>2258393
why would i cry about the obvious fact that you're a pedo? everyone knows this and it won't be a surprise when you diddle a kid and go to jail(infighting)

No. 2258412

>>2258405
because you are obviously an autistic zoombie who only can think in black and white and receives the most retarded input from tiktok, so again, why don't you leave imageboards and go back to your hugbox? I swear we didn't used to have this retardation in lolcow.(infighting)

No. 2258413

Moralfagging aside, I can't stand the "shotacons" that are more obsessed with their self-absorbed onee-chan fantasy rather than obsessing over shota characters. Feels like pickme shit.

No. 2258414

>>2258393
why do you respond to bait

No. 2258416

>>2258412
>enjoys looking at images of young boys in sexual contexts
>gets called a pedo
>Y-YOUR AN AUTISTIC ZOOMBIE WHO ONLY CAN THINK IN BLACK AND WHITE GO BACK TO HUGBOX
jail is your future.(infighting)

No. 2258417

>>2258413
Or the mommy stuff. Most of that content is obviously made for moids to moids.

No. 2258421

>>2258413
I don't even consider women like that shotacons. They just want attention from moids into oneeshota and they only ever pander to that crowd instead of other female shotacons.

No. 2258435

>>2258393
Nta but to me yurifags and shotafags are pedos regardless of gender. Yuripedo is too. So long as the drawing depicts it that makes sense to me, if a fag jerked off to yaoi I’d call him a fag too, not much different with children.
Do I care when it’s women? No. I’m against calling women pick-mes for not thinking it’s totally the same as lewding adults but I also don’t care to moralfag about it, especially when moids are 10x worse + openly pedophilic to real children. So I don’t care either way.

No. 2258437

>>2258435
I always find these type of benchsitting responses so weird. How can you think shotafags are pedos and STILL be okay with it? it says more about you than shotafags that dont see shotas as children.(derailing)

No. 2258441

>>2258437
How? I’m not the one consuming it. It’s the same as me not caring when a woman kills a scrote, even if she was in the wrong. There are just things that bother me more.(derailing)

No. 2258444

>>2258441
It's definetly creepier to be okay with pedophilia than not agreeing that a shota equals a real child.(derailing)

No. 2258447

>>2258444
…You think me being okay with shotafags is “creepier” than getting off to depictions of children…?(derailing)

No. 2258448

>>2258447
No, you being okay with pedophiles is creepier than a woman that doesnt see a shota as a child. What don't you get.(derailing)

No. 2258454

>>2258435
Yeah, because real 3d human tweens look and act like Ritsuka/Ciel. You know nona that you have to be attracted to real, made of flesh and blood, minors to be a pedo, right? It's like thinking that fujoshis are actually vouyerists who will enjoy watch two real 3d human fags fuck.

No. 2258455

>>2258448
So if someone gets off to children but “doesn’t see them as children” it’s apparently less creepy than a woman focusing on persecuting male degeneracy instead of other women. Ok…
If they were getting off to actual boys being abused obviously I would be less dismissive. Similarly someone who’s a pedo for liking loli but doing nothing else is gross but will be regarded differently to someone who’s a pedo for literally searching and getting off to children’s abuse. I’d still call the lolifag a pedo.

No. 2258457

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>>2258206
Personally I was never bothered by women squealing over properly clothed cute anime boys, depending on their wording it was fluffily cute at best and somewhat cringe at worst. But then I made the mistake of joining a discord of self-proclaimed edgy fujoyumes who kept posting gross shit like fanart of 7-10 old looking nearly naked kids showing stuff like cum running down their faces, vomit. Another mistake was playing slow damage and talking about it on twitter, now the algorithm keeps showing me posts from retards who keep complaining about how the game does not explicitly show mc's young self (picrel) being raped (he did get raped and prostituted as a kid which is lowkey a spoiler revealed in the last route, but if you are smart you can guess Towa's trauma 5 minutes into the game, the man is a self-destructive tragic mess.

No. 2258459

>>2258454
>like thinking that fujoshis are actually vouyerists who will enjoy watch two real 3d human fags fuck.
Have tested this on myself just to see. Why are 3D fags the most unerotic thing to ever exist?

No. 2258467

>>2258455
>woman likes shota, explains they dont look like real children and they can differentiate fiction from reality
>sperg says they do look like children and liking shota makes you a pedo, however she's okay with pedophiles
>somehow sperg thinks she's less creepy than women that dont see shota as real children and arent okay with pedophilia because it hurts children
Your mental gymnastics are fucking insane

No. 2258472

>>2258457
You made me remember a Japanese artist who had to change her fetish fixation of shotas like your picrel to "young men". She didn't even make them naked (except the knees).

No. 2258476

>>2258457
>joining a discord of self-proclaimed edgy fujoyumes who kept posting gross shit like fanart of 7-10 old looking nearly naked kids
I had a similar experience once on discord, edgy shotacons saying they wish they could buy little boys specifically German ones for some reason

No. 2258478

>>2258467
What is the issue? Anons were just saying that women coming after shotafags is retarded when moids go unchecked and I agree with that. Where did I say I was okay with pedophiles? I said I didn’t care.
And it’s not hard to understand from that from my perspective, yes you are more of a creep if you’re getting off to shota. Than me for not caring. Kek
>>2258454
I see your point but this would apply to fans of fantasy loli yuri too, no? They would argue they don’t want to see that in 3d or that no real girls look like that.

No. 2258479

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No. 2258480

>>2258476
>>2258457
>There are discords full of rancefag clones out there
Increíble…

No. 2258482

>>2258206
My experience has been that they don't use the word to exclusively refer to sexualized depictions of young characters. Like a completely innocent story with young characters will still have the characters described that way using those specific terms.

No. 2258490

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Congrats everyone

No. 2258498

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>>2258490
>10% of battery

No. 2258501

>>2258490
>4:30am
same nona kek

No. 2258506

>>2258480
Not really surprising when you think about it.



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