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>>1978406Fujocoomer cringe:
>>1959358Previous:
>>2197306 No. 2220139
>>2220111community feature 3rd post. Kiwifarms turned into twitter 2 lately, they will defend everyone they like against the same accusations they will label someone they dont like(who always has opposing political beliefs) the worst thing ever.
>>2220123they defended the pokemon feet pedo and also defended they oneyplay guys despite associating with shadman. They are massive hypocrites. The guy they are WK in the post i linked said the Epstein
victims were willing, too.
No. 2220167
>>2220159i wasnt defending the moid though, just posting an example of kiwifags using the same tactics twittertroons use to discredit someone they dislike. They are also defending richard stallman who said the epstein
victims were willing and said ''voluntary'' pedophilia doesnt hurt children
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>>2220212tayrt its understandable that your pedo troon bootlicking got caught but the reverse wont work on me faggot.
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>>2220128>>2220352Oh my god, it was drawn by Rebecca Sugar (creator of steven universe) because she had a crush on Dib. That's supposed to be her, fucking kek. How did I miss this
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>>2220353Now I'm morbidly curious, who's the name of the KF user with the avatar?
>>2220557Why do moids always have pedophilic tendencies toward young boys?
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>>2220602I think they're referring to this user
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>>2220322KF allows users like this, too. This guy had only positive ratings btw. I remember back when the chuggaconrroy(pedo footfag pokemon youtuber) drama happened his thread was filled with pedo apologists that WK him despite talking about his foot fetish with a 15yo.
No. 2220818
>>2220657The fact these retards are on a lolcow site and still don't think pedos have used this exact
"but what if we're in LOVE?!" excuse millions of times just proves men are inherently sub IQ.
No. 2220821
>>2220657Men are so fucking dramatic kek. This post embodies the energy of flouncing up the stairs to his bedroom and screaming "UGH YOU FEMALES NEVER LET ME DO
ANYTHING!!! I HATE THIS PLACE!!!!" Before slamming the door and blasting Green Day while he curls up on his bed and chokes back angry sobs.
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>>2220804ayrt oh I was, it baffled me then because I was too young/autistic to really
get the more… transformative side of fandom creations kek, but now it's kind of charmingly deranged to look back on. This being how Sugar chose to self-insert only makes it better lmao
No. 2221265
>>2221249Wait, he's asking us to consider which scenario he'd prefer our daughters to be in, and he clearly favours the first one where a 16 year old is essentially sold to an older man…does that mean
he would sell his
own teenage kids into marriage? Would he "approve" if some old scrotal suiter came sniffing around his daughters?
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And this is supposed to be “look how cool, quirky, and horny” tumblr is. I just find it lame
Where do you go if you want to talk about the thing you like? Honest question?
I know that ASOIAF is unique because waiting for GRRM to finish his books is a death sentence
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>>2218158they aren't letting this go
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Why are twitter gachacels so incredibly mentally ill? The original post that had over 15k likes has been deleted, but this individual accused a woman of misogyny for calling Ayaka a waifubait character. I have nothing against women that like female characters from gachashit but I hate when they try to paint these characters as some paragon of feminism. This entire thread is beyond parody to me because they use the same rhetoric that is used by males who claim that women are just jealous of their 1-dimensional waifus, but instead they add a dash of twitter feminism to whatever claim they are making.
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>>2222924Maybe I need to get my head out of gachashit, but I’m genuinely concerned for these women. Many of them are well over 20 and should know what feminism and misogyny are, but it seems like they learned these terms from Twitter one day and haven't stopped using them in every single conversation since then. I have noticed that whenever a semi-popular post about male characters appears, they jump in with a QRT to make some unrelated or exaggerated point about misogyny. I don’t even like the male characters from Hoyoshit, but I find this constant seething over "some random woman on the internet does not like this coombait female character, so it must be misogyny!1!!" both amusing and tiring.
It is very insulting, that some of them genuinely believe that if you don’t like female characters from hoyoshit of all things, then you must not be attracted to women. Worse, they belittle concerns voiced by Chinese women under the guise of feminism. For them, tearing down real women to defend the honour of fictional female characters designed by men somehow counts as peak feminism. I’ve seen so many unhinged posts in the past few days that it’s really making me think about the absolute state of women-dominated fandom spaces. Ironically, moids on reddit and /vg/ hold far more irrational hatred toward male characters, yet no one is policing their opinions over there.
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>>2222924>>2222930Wonder how many of these are trannies posting the same rhetoric as gooners with "so you hate women" instead of "are you afraid of boobs"?
RL women here are 100% fakebians and pornsick though. No way in hell you would whiteknight ZZZ unless you're actually retarded.
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>>2222982Posting the following because the copypasta is hilarious.
No. 2222984
>>2221483wrt to ASOIAF my fav is this one meme subreddit that's books only, seems to filter out the low IQ discourse in
>>2221384It's not all just jokes, sometimes some memes do
trigger people enough to discuss the books
but ASOIAF is in a runt because of the long hiatus, any fandom eventually breaks down after 5+ years
I never tried discords tbh, it seems like too much effort for me
No. 2223040
>>2220537Based Chinese fujos
>>2220572>Apparently ao3 is known to chinese fandoms as being for yaoi porn lmao.Implying AO3 is known for something different in the west? Kek most fanfics are M/M
No. 2223368
>>2222930>you don’t care for female character therefore you’re a misogynist I feel crazy and would like to apologize to many nonnies. I held similar beliefs up until a few months ago. A show I was following took a nosedive with its female cast while unintentionally making their male characters more interesting yet a certain segment of fans are hellbent on portraying any and all dissidents as sexists or misogynists before admitting that the writers themselves are badly handling the female characters. I’ve seen “you just hate flawed female characters essays” and those posts genuinely have me closer to becoming a /tv/ lurker .
I still get it on principle . The hate boner men had towards Skylar in Breaking Bad for example but idk i feel like nowadays it’s not that bad?
Like in the boys people don’t hate Victoria, who was a very morally grey character, and instead disliked Starlight for understandable reasons
It’s not always misogyny, sometimes your fav female character is just not interesting and invoking morality police and tumblr politics won’t change that
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this is over good omens getting a 90 minute finale, do they know how many fandoms would have literally begged for this?
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>>2223633that one girl saying
>never get into queer medialmao b/c the male writer WILL turn out to be a sexpest
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>characters that literally aren't related
>she's just the occasional girlfriend of his mentor figure
No. 2224309
>>2222924>which is definitely how that works irl too>no one hates Genshin women like womenBut they're not real women, and they they were literally made to get male coomers to spend all their savings on them…
>>2220657>chuggaconrroy(pedo footfag pokemon youtuber)Holy shit, this is the first time I've read anything about this.
>>2221265Nona, he's the kind of sick fuck who would want to have children only to groom and rape them.
No. 2224398
>>2224312It absolutely is. It's crazy to me that I suddenly started seeing conservatard moids throw that word
everywhere in the most text book example of "buzzword" way out of nowhere. Genuinely curious how it spread so quickly.
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>>2224312It stands for diversity, equity and inclusion and it's the new woke I guess. It's just used like a reason to explain why games are bad now without directly saying that the real issue is that they don't 100% cater to them. Imo the old fucks spouting this shit should not be playing games in the first place kek get an adult hobby
No. 2224708
>>2224447Go tell us your fandoms nona, let's see how mature and adult you are
I have never cared for superheroes in my life btw
No. 2224738
>>2224726I would also appreciate a spoiler-free summary, even if it's just a sentence
I'm playing the game atm so I imagine it includes that the characters and NPCs have varying skin tones and the world building includes different races and religions with prejudice and stereotypes about them, and that "tolerance" is a one of the traits the mc can level up in, however your female companions are conventionally attractive harembait
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>>2224738Hulkenberg is the main point of contention, they complain over her ass being "censored" when compared to earlier footage of the game, plus the fact that she eats bugs. Thankfully most of the outrage is painfully forced and the overwhelming majority of people don't give a shit.
The whole "diversity and tolerance" stuff doesn't really
trigger these people as much because, as you said, the female cast are all attractive.
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>>2225004It's a 100 hour long JRPG, the culture war rage grifters can't get much mileage out of it beyond cherry picked screenshots like pic related, specially since the game is actually good and sold really well.
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he's right
No. 2225057
>>2225030Haven't a bunch of right wingers absolutely shit on anime as brainrot?
Either way, using Frieren where the mc is a OP woman that doesn't really give a fuck and the ml died never getting laid doesn't seem like it'd go with those politics.
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>>222505Depends, the more racist the more likely they're to dislike it because it's made by "Japs/gooks" and is liked by trannies
No. 2225254
>>2225240Also calling gore the "moral equivalent" to CP.
Only an edgelord NEET with severe autism would ever construct this sentence.
No. 2225372
>>2225358>Not filmGhost Busters 2016? The Star Wars sequel trilogy? The Little Mermaid? There's plenty of outrage regarding films.
>booksCulture war grifters are fucking illiterate, they'd never talk about books.
No. 2225409
>>2225358I think it happens mostly with franchises or mediums that are traditionally associated with the stereotypical basement dweller neckbeard type of nerd. There already were a lot of whiny
toxic nerds, I think there's a growing resentment among these types of moids now because there's less big companies willing to directly pander to them
probably because they're whiny and easily triggered so it takes less effort to just make stuff for normal people instead kek.
No. 2225637
>>2225375there was some loser scrote i had to be subjected to in the past who was obsessed with the first few star wars and it was so funny seeing his reaction every time i said i had never seen any of them. like he couldn't fathom it and acted like it was my obligation to watch it and that it was his obligation to show it to me, topkek it made me want to watch it even less because he was insufferable. still haven't seen it all these years later
>>2225402kekkk
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I recently started drawing fanart for a fandom i used to be super into when i was a teen. I would love to be part of the fandom again and post my art online, but sadly it seems that the only non TRA fans left are all from asia. Not even having an anti-tranny episode saved the fandom from being populated by annoying gendies, there really is no fucking escape.
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>>2225717kek i was just thinking of this the other day, i genuinely do not get it, it's like they've never watched a single episode: which i would totally believe. i remember back in the early web days seeing tons of japanese and some western yaoi fanart of it, so my consensus is it's mostly former-fujo tifs who are incredibly divorced from reality. but i've also known some people who actually watched the show who are definitely the TRA type and i think the argument they made was that "well the show is making fun of everybody so it doesn't count!" or some stupid shit like that. honestly it's most likely the case of "people see what they want to see" and ignoring the parts they don't like. either way, the cognitive dissonance is insane with that crowd
>>2225724>>2225750kekkk too real
No. 2225954
>>2225358The medium's young, only starting in maybe 70s? Enter a audience who grew up in the 90s where every women in video games were stacked bimbos and men were ripped acton heros. Now that games gone mainstream, the olden tropes had faded, no longer relevant in the face of changing trends.
>>2225838The og trilogy was fine. Not amazing, but did pave the way for better things imo.
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Anyone else here bothered that the dirty old man trope doesn't have a female equivalent? Like where are my female ugly bastards lusting after younger male characters? Does this exist in any media that isn't just scrote oneeshota shit? I feel like this is a result of moids being threatened over the thought of an older woman finding a younger guy attractive, and women being conditioned into thinking that moids must always be older and dominant, kek.
No. 2226554
>>2226499idk why you'd be
bothered about a shitty trope not being more common for one sex over the other, but older women who leer at younger men do turn up more in live action comedies, from my experience. Also, while the attention is unwanted, the dirty old man trope isn't the same thing as the ugly bastard, as its usually a vehicle for shitty crass comedy (often to be immediately shut down as part of the bit) because the old person doesn't give a crap anymore/are pathetically trying to relive their glory days, and not a gross porn trope intended to sexually degrade a female character. The trope has also been on a general decline from what I've seen, and even characters known for embodying it (eg Master Roshi) have had their antics watered down in more recent depictions.
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>>2226499Arcane did it best imo
No. 2226898
>>2226806Holy shit maybe i should start watching more western media, absolutely based
Also
>older black woman with "unconventionally attractive" features>hitting on a young qt white twinkShocked culture warrior moids didn't throw a melty over this
>>2226844I wouldn't call liking twinky moids reddit bi, reddit bi is moreso dadbods and characters like that ugly green faggot from zelda. I will say that her being attracted to "muscle mommies" definitely feels like it's so the woke crowd wouldn't chimp out and call her a pedo.
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>>2226499This happens with a lot of female characters in
Boku no Hero Academia and I think also
Yuri on Ice. I was thinking it was a common anime trope
No. 2227048
>>2226907>You’ll notice that they’re usually clowned into silence when they try to go for a near-universally beloved property such as Arcane or Spiderverse.Yeah, it’s cool how the
Half-Life and
Portal series are seen as the gold standard of video games when they have a positive, non-sexualized portrayal of female and minority characters (and I’d even go as far as saying that
Portal and
Portal 2 have feminist themes).
No. 2227065
>>2227048I think some of this culture war nonsense has a generational component. And I don't just mean Gen Z vs Millennials and older I mean like older people who didn't get involved in online culture until more recently. Half Life 2 came out 20 years ago. Plenty of young dudes have never played it and lots of older guys might not have been gaming back then, or never played single player campaigns, or were uninvolved in fandom.
Alyx is a black woman with a very normal appearance (no skimpy outfits or super curvy body) but she was one of THE top video game waifus for nerd boys back in the 2000s. Current generation of grievance hunters are genuinely unaware that gamers used to commonly prefer a girl-next-door look in their waifus. If they ever made HL3 I do expect to see male infighting between the new breed that immediately cries DEI and the old breed rushing to protect the virtue of their childhood waifu.
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>>2227065When
Half-Life: Alyx (basically HL3) was released ~4 years ago, there were a lot of presumably male fans dissatisfied with her voice actor being changed and her face being more realistic (see picrel for comparison), but those things are understandable because I also thought the new character models fell a bit into the uncanny valley. If you were to look hard enough you could maybe find someone upset about playing as Alyx instead of Gordon, but the new game had a shockingly positive reception even after so many years of the series being ignored.
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>>2227065>>2227099Looks like a few people cried DEI over HLA, but it’s such an unpopular opinion that even Reddit is making fun of them.
No. 2227145
>>2227099ngl I can understand the dissatisfaction, especially with the change in voice. If the VAs are unable to still do the voice due to age that's one thing, but it's sad to see original VAs getting passed over for no reason.
The reason Alyx looks different is that her eyebrows are more arched (more feminine) and her jawline isn't as wide (more feminine). For all the complaining about DEI chins and manjaws a lot of these complainers lack aesthetic knowledge. Alyx has a cute, more rounded facial appearance because she was a wider jaw with a lower gonial angle. The new model tries to feminize her appearance in stereotypical ways and it makes her look quite different.
No. 2228895
>>2226898>>2226844>ultra masculine woc character this is not as revolutionary as you all are making it, it's basically a porn trope and like
>>2226844 said, she's basically a "reddit bisexual" trope
No. 2229052
>>2228370Only tangentially related, but I fucking hate headcanon culture. Nowadays you can take a, say, 20yo female characters with black hair who studies to be a doctor, headcanon her as a "35yo blonde trans femme catgirl who works as a barista" and everyone has to accept that.
Yes, I'm calling for gatekeeping because some headcanons are just shit.
No. 2229116
>>2228370Yes! It's now just ask me my headcanons/share your headcanons blog and all the remaining imagine blogs are very inactive and demotivated. Not to mention the AI drama and last year some imagine logs stealing fanfiction and rewording it as another character.
>>2228771It's like short prompt writings, not enough for a full fledged fanfiction but still nice. Like imagine if you made a birthday cake for your husbando, and then the blog would write a short story based on that. Ofc its easier to just say I HC husbando as trans nonbinary and blogs replying
valid and getting double the notes as the effortpost.
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How does this contradict eachother
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>>2229180Samefag, god I hate these ironic fujos who know nothing about the history of BL or our culture and say shit like this. Ofc this fag has the dead dove symbol in their bio but still has all these roundabout justifications for their heckin
problematic hobby (assuming they even read bl)
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>>2229052>Nowadays you can take a, say, 20yo female characters with black hair who studies to be a doctor, headcanon her as a "35yo blonde trans femme catgirl who works as a barista" and everyone has to accept that. you're right on point with the attitude now being that everyone has to accept your headcanons. i'm not even against having headcanons that are ridiculously OOC, but treating them as undisputable canon, and thinking that anyone can be factually right or wrong about their headcanons, when a headcanon literally is the imagined canon that's in your head and not in the media in question, is all so dumb. and i think the difference between then and now is also that like, before when there were imagine blogs for example, it was more clear that your headcanons or fanfictional ideas were just ideas with no authority, and that they could all coexist together because people were actually willing to hear other's thoughts about stuff in their respective fandoms. i also liked imagine blogs because they encouraged being more immersed in the media the blogs revolved around. submissions could be like "imagine being a blah in blahworld doing blah with blah and blah". no mentally ill shit like kinning. it was cringe at times but harmless unlike today when kids are claiming they have a multiple personality that's some minecraft streamer literally existing inside their body/brain.
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so i'm a mutuals with some libfems who are really into drag racing and the way they I've seen them engage with the fandom is fascinating, cause they basically treat it like "yuri" and even ship drag queens with each other and treat them like their female characters instead of gay men making a mocking impression of women
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Just wanted to post here about the schadenfreude I feel knowing the spergs who continually seethe about their two ships being either forgotten and or tainted by canon (they sometimes cry about the main ship i.e the girl “in the way” to the point of making ugly vent art of her being “cucked”) can only blame their fandom for not putting any effort in support for them. Bonus points for how shitty their art is after years as well as being the worst kind of pickmes with their shitty nsfw art.
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i’ve noticed that twitter “himejoshi” never engage with actual lesbian content. they’d rather play gacha or games that have no yuri so they can complain and argue that x character is actually lesbian coded. why?
No. 2230123
>>2230092If they spend more time tweeting about male characters, hate or not, then they're not himejoshis. No shipper is gonna waste their time on that shit. Just compare them to any actual yuri account, most of them barely tweet about male characters in any context. They don't even bother to shit on them, they just ignore them and focus on the female characters they like (which mirrors what fujos do only caring about their yaois and nothing else). Like
>>2230103 said these "himejo" accounts that spend their entire day hating on men are just masterdoc polilezzies, they pretend to only care about women/yuri but they never shut up about men. They just do this to overcompensate and prove how much of a lesbian they are or some shit.
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>>2226499The only old lady I know in media that does this is the old lady from Ace attorney games who stayed hitting on Edgeworth.
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>>2226499the only example i know is the old lady hitting on yung voldemort in harry potter and the half blood prince and she's an extremely minor character
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>>2230588not anime but cloest equivalent i know is Buck Brown's old lady comics
No. 2230774
>>2226499for real nonna. not animu related but imagine if there was a huge culturally revered movie like the 90s lolita adaptation or even leon the professional but the sexes of the characters were reversed. it would simply not be tolerated by society. yet the opposite is praised endlessly for its depth and meaning etc.
>Like where are my female ugly bastards lusting after younger male characters? Does this exist in any media that isn't just scrote oneeshota shit? even in the media or porn where this dynamic sort of exists, it's literally always just young looking sexy women with gigatits, never a normal old looking woman let alone a gross old hag. it's never realistic, just more of the same old, done to death scrote fap material of the milf/mommy category as always.
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>>2226499wouldnt call her nor dirty nor perverted by any means but she's the closest I can think of, their bond was based on their mutual fascination for death and ended up blooming into a full blown old-timey romance. The fact the actor wasnt underage at the time surprised me, he looked pretty young there. To summarize: its a weird girl-brooding dude romance except the girl is old enough to be his grandma and he looks fresh outta highschool.
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>>2231468nta but it's a film called harold and maude. definitely recommend, it's one of my favourites of all time.
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>just came across 3rd media this week where the main pair is a lesbian and a girly brown TiM
Kek this is so dumb, you just know they pat themselves on the backs for how sUbVeRsIve they are. Yet if I called them racist for making all their main brown “women” characters actually men in dresses I’d be the bad guy
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A transformers convention(fandom populated by TIMs) banned trannies.
No. 2233707
>>2233533Actually I will concede I wasn't thinking of it like a law. I had no idea there were laws against cross dressing in florida and I don't think there should be any law about how to dress (barring exposure/offensive imagery etc). I was thinking of it as like a dress code at a specific event, which is typically only subject to the common sense of whoever's running the thing. I would trust a sensible, normal person's instinctive judgement on what is fetishistic and what isn't.
But going back to my comparison to porn - there are always slippery slope arguments about how to define it, it's never going to be 100% clear and easily defined, but I still want porn banned. I don't care if some artistic nudes are collateral damage. In the same way, I don't care if some feminine gay dude in a dress is collateral damage in a ban on cross dressing at a convention if it means people are spared trannies in thigh highs and mini skirts. imo that is men forcing the public to participate in their fetish without consent and I won't ever support it.
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Apparently most animes and all of Disney are "explicitly against hate". This is so vague I don't even know what they're talking about.
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>>2233837There’s so much to unpack here.
>The happy, big-eyed worm creature on the right>The book floating above the pillar like a coin in some platformer>moster highAgree that
Steven Universe attracts
toxic people though.
t. a hateful person who will continue to enjoy entertainment regardless of its supposed morals.
No. 2234052
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I know this meme is very common and everyone already knows about its point, but can I just ask a question? When a fandom inevitably gets characters somewhat wrong by exaggerating, mellowing, or straight up making shit up about characters, is it mainly that the people who make these "bastardized" interpretations aware that they're being inaccurate and are just having fun with how they THINK a character "should've been" written, or are most people rather bad at understanding characters straight from canon material?
No. 2234093
>>2234052It's a mixed bag. There's this idea that surface level observations are always wrong, worsened by developers playing into it with dogshit "lore" to keep their fandoms engaged. People feel compelled to dig deeper than reasonable to extrapolate the truth, but more often than not, they end up taking leaps of faith with no basis in the source material. Fandom is also full of neurodivergents who struggle to view people holistically, they fixate on one characteristic instead of a dynamic personality because it's easier for them to digest. And like
>>2234074 said it becomes a game of telephone when fanfiction gets involved.
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I find alien stage fans’ obsession with Hyuna being a dommy mommy pegging girlboss who ”impregnates” the guy pretty baffling considering the media seems to consistently imply otherwise.
>attempt to look up nsfw
>first result is dickgirl Hyuna fucking cuntboy Luka
I fucking hate gendies so much
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>>2234433>first resultthese people need to be put in a straitjacket
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>>2235332That’s exactly why it’s baffling that people push such shallow unfitting tropes on her. They don’t consider her personality, vulnerabilities, or feelings at all, they’re just forcing their dumb fetishes and somehow it became popular fanon because fandoms in general can’t comprehend female characters who aren’t 2-dimensional. (It probably also has to do with her being tall and athletic with dark/angular features instead of a cutesy anime girl- fans formed an idea of her based on her looks and stuck to that)
However, I noticed this is mostly a western/english-speaking fan phenomenon- I guess because there’s more likely to be tryhard gendies? The chinese/korean/japanese fans seem to have a better understanding of her.
No. 2235654
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what is the single thing you hate the most about the fandom of your most favorite media?
No. 2235681
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>>2235654The hatred for Lois, especially when the same fans worship Hal. They act like she’s the devil and when unfair fucked up shit happens to her, it’s okay with them because she needs to be taught a “lesson”. Meanwhile they conveniently brush over Hal being a shitty father and husband because he’s le funny bumbling dad lol!
For one, Lois is based. She’s so charismatic and funny and absolutely makes the show. I used to dislike her as a teen, but on a second rewatch, she became my favorite. She is trying her hardest in a family of the most horrible fucking moids. Most of the time she’s actually rational, it’s the boys being crazy. She is flawed and I won’t excuse some crazy shit she’s done, but I understand her and how she became like that.
Hal had his funny moments but still I find him overrated, annoying, and a despicable husband and human being
>Covers up evidence of cops abusing their power to punish Lois (because the evidence proves she was right and the cops were lying, but he wanted her to think she was wrong so she’s less confident in her judgments and acts more docile)>Took photos of Lois naked while she’s asleep, tries to keep it a secret from her>Purposely pushes the tough work on Lois because she’s supposed to be the ‘capable’ one keeping the family in line.>Secretly took Fridays off at work while Lois always had to work her ass off so the family can afford food>When they had a pregnancy scare and he got mad blaming it on her for being “the woman”>Lied to her about getting a vasectomy>Secretly added sugar and fatty crap to her food for his weight gain fetish and got horny while she was distressed wondering what the hell was happening with her bodyThere is a scene in the bowling episode where Francis calls each parent asking for $100 to pitch in on a car.
>Hal: Oh, come on, Francis. That's ridiculous. I'm not giving you the money to buy one-seventh of a piece of junk>Francis: Okay. Just thought I'd ask. Later, Dad. ByeAnd when he calls Lois
>Lois: Oh, honey, I'm sorry. I really don't think we can afford this right now>Francis: Of course. I knew you'd say that. Why do I even try? Now you can go to bed happy, knowing that you kept my life a living hell!And I think this perfectly encapsulates how fans treated Lois.
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>>2235654I'm a
genshinfag so there are more than plenty, but the one thing I hate the most besides the fandom being dominated by weirdos is the complete, utter disregard of the original source material. Every single character is bound to be mischaracterized and flanderized until there's nothing left and it's practically either the fandom's collective OC blorbo now or just a one-note sex object male or female. A lot of it is also affirmed by grifters who want to hawk their artwork but not actually be invested in the source.
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>>2235654I’m more amused than annoyed by it, but human Wheatley and his derivatives would probably be one of the cringiest things about the Portal fandom. If you saw picrel without context, you wouldn’t think it had anything to do with Portal at all.
Also love the Shiggy image you added. No. 2235738
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>>2235654The hero worship of this greasy rat haired mf is actually insane. He was wrong throughout his entire expansion and in the end they treated Ysayle like the
victim and had her atone through suicide. Meanwhile this fucker gets off scot free because he's a man and a fan favorite. Then they COMPLETELY retcon his character to make him some free spirit misunderstood cool guy and everyone fangirls even more over him and acts like he's some super cool bishonen when he is in fact a nasty rat man with no redeeming qualities.
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>>2235737And whatever this is.
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>>2235654The anti/pro-ship wars, you either want squeaky clean "non-
problematic" everything or you are on the bench with pedos who also claim on their side since you already make ""
problematic" content. Tiktok was a mistake, I just want edgy comfy jokes with the cardboard cutouts.
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>>2226499literally the only doujin I know that has almost what you described is, i am not a father by matashita kintama, but even that is short lived with most of it focused on the guy getting fucked by other men (where being anally raped in women's clothing is shown as less traumatizing than having sex with a fat old woman) and the author's work are even more fucked,
shotas getting pregnant No. 2235932
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>>2226499There’s a couple of scenes like that in Venture Bros and always loved it when Brock would get uncomfortable.They should’ve gone further,tbh.
wish I could show the actual clip but it wouldn’t post No. 2235939
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>>2235654>One side of the fandom is coomer scrotes making the same 3 unfunny jokes ad nauseum>The other side is incessant moralfaggingMost of my favourite media's fandoms are basically just this.
No. 2235943
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This is grooming, this is emotional incest and i don't care if you disagree with me.
If it was shounen ai then it would have been okay but theyre literally reading or talking about 18+ yaoi together…nah that's gross.
Its nice to be supportive of your kids hobbies and interests but there are some boundaries which shouldn't be crossed.
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>>2226499Natsume Ono did it in Gente.
No. 2235963
>>2235681I've never met anyone who didn't love Lois, everyone I know irl who likes the show thinks she hilarious just like the other characters, so maybe I only met normal, sane fans, thank god.
>>2235654It's very general but I hate when you like a series of video games and the games are similar to each other while still feeling distinct and a lot of fans will sperg anytime they talk about a series because one game is so much worse/better than that one other game. Especially applies to Final Fantasy when I got into it long ago, Fire Emblem, SMT/Persona. And I hate whenever people compare Persona 4 to Scoobydoo it's so fucking annoying I can't express how much it pisses me off.
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>>2235676It’s not this one but it’s a good example. I haven’t read Chainsawman but from what I’ve heard of Makima it’s hilarious how people couldn’t handle her, especially when villains like Joker are given a pass despite his crimes. It’s just another one of fake performative feminism like when female love interests are turned into lesbians to get out of the way of whatever pairing (Korean yuri fans call it “leftover yuri” lol)
No. 2236057
>>2235943Thinking on it, isn't it considered more of a normal bonding type of thing for men? Sharing adult/more mature movies with their sons?
It's incest if it's between women, it's teaching a son to be a man with men kek.
No. 2236091
>>2236070Thats not me retard.
>>2236057You..do know we are on lolcow, out of all places you want to play the "but what about moid" card when i think they are
equally disgusting creeps for that, stfu freak.
>>2236068Sounds like projection, sorry you took weirdos sharing 18+ media with their children as something personal.
No. 2236098
>>2236022>5 minute random surprise sex scene in a movie that makes everyone awkward in the roomIs apparently the same as:
>a comic where there are sex scenes every third chapter and the smut is explicit ans majority of time is dubcon, comic made for the sole purpose of fapping.There is some darwin awards level intelligence in this thread.
No. 2236117
>>2235943My friend was discussing explicit AOT yaoi fan fiction with her mom, and yeah I thought it was a bit weird KEK
I think the term for this would be “enmeshment”
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>>2235791AYRT
After Portal 2 was released in 2011, a lot of teenage girls had a crush on Wheatley, probably partly due to his VA being a popular British comedian (picrel). Because it’s weird to lust over an eyeball robot, people gave him the Bill Cipher treatment and drew him as a human who often looked like his voice actor. From what I understand, human Wheatley was like the Onceler before the Onceler.
I think the picture here
>>2235737 is just someone’s cursed inside joke, not a centaur AU.
No. 2236166
>>2236154I don't get it either, ehat exactly is feminine? Being emotional or something?
I genuinely wonder what male characters are considered "masculine" but still "for women".
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>>2236163>>2235676 NTA but the only thing I found was this. I think there might’ve been discussions about it in previous threads iirc.
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>>2236154They might be talking about the people who like to “female/mommy-code” male characters like when people use male characters to project period pain. I remember the discourse over this jjk dude being called female representation. Correct me if I’m wrong but apparently he’s supposed to be misogynistic at that lol, what.
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>>2236253>Correct me if I’m wrong but apparently he’s supposed to be misogynistic at that lol, what.The guy you're talking about is Geto and he's not sexist. But maybe you also saw some people talking about another character from the same manga, he's Naoya, 90% of his character is being sexist, especially with his younger cousins Maki and Mai, and 10% is worshipping his older male cousin who's so cool, masculine and strong and has a pretty face to the point where he looks gay as fuck. I've seen some people saying there's a funny contrast between him being a deranged misogynist and him talking in a cutesy Kansai ben that feels equal to him talking in a valley girl accent in English, or him wearing a n old fashioned hakama but dying his hair and wearing earrings, but they don't take it as seriously as Geto fangirls insisting that Geto might as well be a woman because technically his superpower is similar to mpreg.
No. 2236287
>>2236270Wait I forgot the most important argument with Naoya but spoilers because he's not in the anime yet
he gets killed with a normal stab wound so he comes back as a curse, and he looks like a giant vulva in this form. And then he evolves again and looks like a giant uterus. While screeching that one of the main girls will never surpass him because he's a retarded jealous bitch. I think the actual shit takes will be posted once the third season will start though.
No. 2236325
>>2236224KEK this is painfully accurate
>>2236263Yeah anons armchair this behavior to embarrassing levels, most of it is just projecting into their blorbos and using them as comfort characters and that's about it. Agree that this is a way better alternative to trooning out and trying to become male.
No. 2236401
>>2225758I could've sworn there was an episode like that.
>>2236338And I thought yaoi couldn't possibly be the reason for braindead tifs but here we are. I think anon's point was that kind of projection could easily go south, in this generation anyway.
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>>2235654Yes, laugh at me for being a Genshin player but the absolute single thing I cannot abide about the fandom isn’t the lolicons, isn’t the racism, isn’t even the incels, but this specific genre of ‘WLW’ in bio ‘transfem’ who goes around on Twitter telling real female fans that they’re ‘misogynists’ for feeling uncomfortable with oversexualised stripper designs. These are essentially just ‘cis’ straight men not only telling women to shut up and take their rampant sexism and pornography addiction lying down, but using feminist rhetoric to do so. It makes my blood boil.
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>>2237153not a gachafag but I understand, when I was younger and was into the owl House, I came across so many degens and troons who sexualized the female characters and seemed to despise the only male character because he got in the way of their lesbian ship and called little girls misogynistic and sexist because they liked him
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>>2229711No, I wasn't talking about the imagines, but the character re-writes that are being passed off as "headcanons" these days.
For example, this art meme. It says
>draw this character in your style and/or with your headcanonsas if headcanons changed the canon apperance of characters (unless it's like, a book character with no defined canon appearance, or a character that's only mentioned but never seen on-screen). That's not what a headcanon is, at all. That's taking a canon character and making an OC with it. Not only are headcanons not supposed to be undisputable gospel, but they shouldn't contradict what's already established in canon. It's like the current generation of fandoms are incapable of getting it.
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>>2237238hunter, the brooding, edgy elf boy who also wears a mask
No. 2237253
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>>2237244Kek, don't remind me of the hunter hate, the trannies were seething so much over this dude and that girls were fangirling over him so much and not "paying enough attention" to the canon lesbian couple.(they were, but you know damn well for these guys it's never enough)
The seethe over him being redeemed and not killed off coming from these guys is so good. No. 2237256
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>>2237230>A great example was that ‘I’ll show Shibuya a real incident’ twitter meme that went around a while ago, kek. No gender implications, no vaginal mentions, just a horny cocksucking joke.KEK, NTA but I just looked it up. Based.
Note how it's always scrotes (tranny or not) that chimp out whenever women aren't indulging in male fetishes, and instead openly talk about their own preferences completely without caring about moid opinons.
>>2236253>male character is written to face struggles that women usually deal with more than men>female character-codedTranny logic. Shouldn't they be celebrating that a male character has traits that are stereotypically associated with women, instead of doing these mental gymnastics to convince people of how this male is totes actually female?
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>>2237238>That sort of rambling sounds like Lily Orchid.It's by him, also related. he once got a female publisher basically cancelled with his rants, so author christie holden wrote a number of tie-in books to video game series, including assassin's creed and world of warcraft and was living her best life and also writing her own vampire romance novels. and this moid (who claims to be a feminist lesbian) didn't like the fact that the female characters had romantic relationships with men and he accused her of being a racist (because she got the facts wrong about arab and warcraft fantasy culture wrong), a misogynist (again, because she supposedly didn't handle her female characters properly), a pedophile and a fetishist (because a 20 year-old male character fell in love with a middle-aged female character). she had to turn off her account for a few months cause of this
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>>2237275samefag, here's him just admitting he got banned for a while for harassing her
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Can anyone who plays Call of Duty explain what's going on with the fanbase? I thought it was a moid game why is there suddenly a billion they/them Wilbur Soot people writing yaoi fanfics about them knotting eachother on the battlefield? It's become a huge thing on TikTok (and fanfic websites too) for the front page to be full of OC art and stories written the exact same way as the old 2016 1Direction wattpad classics. And I mean that. Right down to the "I put on my messy bun and mascara and my mum sold me to Ghost to pay off her debts" opening chapters
No. 2237534
>>2237452Oh shit, that's the artist who drew that pic? Danm, she's crazy skilled. I thought it was a gay man, kek.
>>2237476Is that where that Tumblr sexyman guy comes from? Benry or something.
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>>2237534>Is that where that Tumblr sexyman guy comes from? Benry or something.Yes kek
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>users on r/a03 are 50 times more likely to use r/asexuality then the average reddit user
interesting
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>>2237438There’s always been CoD yaoi and fangirls, at least since 2007. There was a famous doujinshi about the characters of mw2 called Defective Dogs. There is a new wave of zoomer fangirls because of the reboot. There’s the tumblr side and the TikTok side, though the tiktok side is more about the thirst traps and edits than the actual characters. Last summer the husbando threads were nothing but Ghost and König.
miss it tbh No. 2237600
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>>2237590It’s more of a fujoshi set up but whatever. I misremembered, it wasn’t a bee, a snake bit him.
No. 2237647
>>2237594AYRT, the other series I saw this kind of doujin made for were Hetalia and that poor MGS imitation called My Life With You. There were several original BL manga of around that era with the same kind of plot (military rape), too.
>>2237600Kek. The translation is pretty decent. Apparently people also sold the translated version.
No. 2237889
>>2237819It's a bit scary, especially with the way that artist renders.
>>2237793It's not supposed to be serious, and I'm not a fujo but I found it funny. Don't like, don't read.
No. 2237974
>>2235943>This is grooming, this is emotional incest and i don't care if you disagree with me.okay so first off you clearly don't know what incest means. and secondly, how is the mother supposedly grooming her daughter here? influencing her into becoming a fujo, god forbid? kek. like
>>2237157 mentioned fathers have been gifting sons their collections of playboys and hustlers, later on even video tapes, as sacred coomer heirlooms like a retarded coming of age ritual since the dawn of porn culture. but no one's really addressing that as a problem even though it's something that, unlike yaoi manga, does in fact victimize people, namely the women who are exploited by said porn magazines.
furthermore i think there's little to no difference between parents watching a movie or tv show that includes lewd and/or sex scenes with their kids and showing them a book or in this case a manga that also includes the same sort of content. and the first happens all the time, assuming it's not some insanely graphic shit and that age restrictions are followed etc (which by the way, aren't age restrictions on movies and tv there for parental guidance purposes to judge what's okay for the kid to see or not? typically age restrictions are lowered if you go with a parent to the cinema, for example, for the sake of the kid's safety which is then supposedly not at as high of a risk or whatever. so wouldn't a mom reading some bl along with her daughter probably indicate more parental control/monitoring of the content to the benefit of the girl's safety?). i'd say the latter is actually more appropriate in comparison to the first since real people aren't showed and so whatever sex stuff that's possibly going on is presumably not as explicit. i wonder if you or someone else with the same view would react this way if the mom and girl were watching something like game of thrones together? idk the age of the girl in your screenshot but she looks old enough to read some bl/yaoi without it somehow harming her. unless they're actually sitting there gooning together, this is at most just awkward and a little weird. goes without saying that if the context was a dad instead of a mom and daughter anything like this would obviously be a whole different story.
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>>2235654I'll share my answer to my own question. What I hate the most about the FNAF fanbase is honestly the sheer amount of gendietards, including TIFs. Why are the so many fucking gendietards and TIFs in here? Why do they like drawing top surgery scars on William like they wish he was a biological female? It's so gross to me that of all characters, they picked the fucking child murderer to project their TIF shit onto. Like seriously, Aidens want fucking
William to rep them? I'm so tired of going through fanart of the human characters and finding surgery scars on the males. The majority of FNAF's core lore takes place before the 2000s even started, and specifically in the state of Utah of the USA. The odds of this nigga being a tranny supporter is less than 1%. Come the fuck on, he's more likely to be a faggot than a tranny-lover or a tranny himself.
No. 2238079
>>2235654I'm black and I hate race swapped fanart, especially if the "artist" make them ugly. And I've noticed it's always the dumbest characters getting swapped, like what are you implying?
The 90s was a high point for #black# characters and I fear we will never see that again
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>>2238246tbh the Disney race swaps were about "what if this Disney movie was set in this different country/culture" current race swaps are just making characters black for brownie points. If someone made this edit nowadays people would be screaming about making Tiana anything other than black when it's not about making the characters the most oppressed races possible for "diversity" but changing around things for fun without any other consideration
It's kinda like genderbending vs redesigning and calling characters trans, the former was made for fun, now it has political intention
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>>2238307Neither, I think everyone of any race and ethnicity should have media that they can connect with, but I feel like anime is viewed through a American lense and I think the current amount of black representation in anime and manga is pretty expected because of the population, I wouldn't be mad at more black women in anime but this is media made by a group of people who are xenophobic towards other East Asian let alone the rest of world. Arguably most "white" characters in Japanese media is just a Japanese person with eurocentric features (or hair eye/colour in media with characters with rainbow hair, I don't think Satoko from Higurashi is supposed to be white and I certainly don't view her as such)
Like for comparison I'm from Australia and we don't really have any African representation nor do many people expect it because we really don't have the population size for it, you're far more likely to see Australian Aboriginals and Arabic people as a result of the general population.
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>>2238345Isn't Carole and Tuesday in the Cowboy Bepop universe? I haven't watched Bepop in ages but I feel like Carole and Tuesday would have happened anyways.
No. 2238364
>>2238345>It is not our fault other races dont take their minstrelsy in media seriously enough to call it out when they see racism and harmful stereotypesYou must have read my post a little too fast because I said I don't get any representation AT ALL in anime. How could anyone take something that doesn't even exist seriously? The other examples from my posts weren't even from pop culture but about how info about my ethnic group isn't even accurate in the news or actual studies. And you're talking about anime but you should focus on the root of your problem, either manga or light novels, because most anime are just adaptations of established series. You're just one person so it might not work but if you really care you should try to financially support manga with representation you see as accurate or respectful, advertise them by, idk, posting about them online for instance, so they can get an adaptation later. And hopefully by a good studio but that's another issue entirely.
>Black artists also often do race swaps not to be dickheads but to prove that it is not hard to draw black people in the anime style.They're not nearly as visible as the 14yo white American SJW who uglify
is that even a word Black characters on purpose when drawing them because "muh representation" means that ugly people are participating in the oppression olympics to them. Which brings me to this
>>2238287 I'm sure the anon you're replying to was talking about when "artists" make a character Black and then make them as ugly as possible because they don't want to give too many unattainable eurocentric beauty standards expections to Black people. I'm not sure how things are now but that was a huge trend before the pandemic.
No. 2238372
>>2238357Eh, burgers
>>2238322>the recent light novel with a main character being from Latin America and whose first name is Latina.Kek that's so dumb it's endearing
No. 2238409
>>2238345what
>>2238351 said, watanabe is a very rare exception, he is both a westaboo and a japanese marxist who, unlike the vast majority of japanese manga/anime authors, who basically appropriate western aesthetics, actually seems to understand western culture and complexity beyond its aesthetics and his works often include his politics
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>>2238079I like them if they're not ugly or meant to insult/attack anyone. I really don't care about the anti-woke debatefags' arguments about muh representation bad and "blah blah blah it's woke" because they always end up bashing innocent black people regardless. Nothing is harmed by drawing a cute black girl version of some character or editing a picture except some racist sperg's feelings. I also don't mind it being done the other way around, unless (again) it's ugly or done as an insult/attack. Interestingly, people only ever seem to draw black characters white because they want to attack others and get into a slapfight, not because they want to reinterpret the character's design in a different culture or anything fun like that.
>>2238259I'd like to see edits and fan art like that with more characters, but people are too dumb and hateful to have fun anymore.
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I'm assuming the black anons talking about the anime representation thing are American, so what does Africa have to do with the anime discussion? If we want to look into it, there is some historical connection that continues into the modern day between the two re: trade and the like, and there are enough Nigerian and Ghanaian people living there to account for a population of blasians like Mendy Sakiguchi, but I don't think Africans care that much about Japanese anime/pop culture. /pol/tards are so weird.
There are also the half-Japanese half-Congolese children that Japanese moids killed and/or abandoned after impregnating the women there while on "mining trips", but that's a dark aspect of history. Reposting to spoiler
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>>2238504>>2238517reposting from another thread, "white" people in the vast majority of japanese media are people who are culturally japanese and have dyed blonde hair, but that's as far as it goes, white people in most manga/anime are just japanese people in white face
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>>2238523Just on top of my head, and this also includes vidya but Mads Mikklesen himself was in Death Stranding and Hideo Kojima has a gay crush on him, one of the rapist yakuza in one of Scarlet Beriko's manga and I dropped the manga because of him he looked far too realistic compared to the other characters and it cracked me up everytime he was there so I couldn't take the story seriously anymore, and Nanami from JJK is like 1/4 Danish for no reason and he's still naturally blond with an exotic face and high cheekbones despite being younger than Gojo, you can already guess why. Speaking of JJK, still related to other anons' point, there's a plot point that there are a lot more sorcerers in Japan than anywhere else for reasons explained later but we still have:
>a Kenyan(?) guy who just does his thing I'm still not getting over him showing up in the last arc, doing nothing, calling Gojo racist and leaving kek>some white guy with a French name who's always with him>a half American, half Japanese girl who has powers because of her American dad>a French weaboo who's also Gege's self insert so he assaults his editor as soon as he shows up on screen for the first time>who tf knows where Mei Mei and Ui Ui are from at this point, I sure don't No. 2238551
>>2238523Same as here
>>2238519Now it no longer is as extreme but in the 80s to 00s so much that wasn't about school/slice of life/magical girls was set somewhere in central europe (often castles) and had characters of those countries and sometimes even the entire thing had names in the language of those countries
>>2238543That's not what we're talking about tho, have you seen something like Trinity Blood? There were many with clearly everything and everybody set in the "main" european countries
No. 2238564
>>2238557Everybody can tell an actual white character from a japanese character who happens to have unrealistic hair, skin and eye color, anon. Black people want something like
>>2238551 to happen for them too, something in which black people are the important main characters and not just a joke on the side.
No. 2238576
>>2238543Agreed, Japan definitely likes aping white aesthetics (especially historical ones), but they don't exactly sideline themselves.
It's the same way a lot of hapa women seem to become models or actresses, but it's also not uncommon for them to be bullied and treated like outsiders. I think an interesting analog is how in the US, Doja Cat has talked about growing up getting bullied for being half-black by all the white kids in her neighborhood, and still gets seethed at by racists today, but also became a world-famous American pop star for her skills crossed with her looks. I doubt it means Japan "worships" white people/culture any more than the US "worships" black people/culture (ig genuine interest/fascination that might veer into fetishization/commodification if overly shallow are better descriptors). I think most people like what's both familiar and different.
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>>2220304>>2220320>>2220324During the early 2010s, Null's old (girl)friend revealed to an entire forum of people chatlogs where he admits to masturbating to 'neko shota'. He goes onto corroborate these messages by giving the context of "I was 14 and thought I was gay", picrel is what I'm describing since one nona asked for receipts. To be honest, I'd argue he's done more questionable things that not many people mention, since 'neko shota' waaaay more memeable by a long shot. The one that I'm thinking of is when he wrote a vore fetish story for the same gal pal he knew, involving her being an elementary schooler eating people.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that Null, and to a larger extent kiwifags, primarily seem to hate anime culture and its obnoxious fanbase and project that in the form of hand-wringing over '
problematic content' in fiction. In other words, take what he and other kiwifags say with a grain of salt.
No. 2238647
>>2238383This, plus the blonde hair was because she's from the moon, not because she's meant to be white or whatever. Wasn't silver hair considered too?
Anyway, this push for self insertion and having characters look "just like me" seems unhealthy. I see kids cartoons nowadays push this idea and it always comes off as such cringe literally me ebony darkness dementia way every time, the idea of creating a character that isn't just you seems like it's getting more and more unpopular, and discussion has suffered as a result since people literally cannot understand enjoying a character
as a separate person that doesn't reflect you.
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>>2238307On one hand, I don't expect it too and ideally, I want very little rep from anime (only if it's cool and aesthetic). American media, I have higher expectations. Either a well-written developed non-stereotypical black female character or nothing at all. Like I hate seeing ugly ghetto charterers in fiction. Imagine growing up with ugly minstral art in your media because everyone else on earth loves that slop. Or how every black token character is always a black male, and any raceswaps with him is never addressed and people don't mald as much over it (pic rel)
TL;DR good rep or no rep, i never want to see ugly bad rep
No. 2238852
>>2238817You mean
>>2238534? They were randomly complaining about "representation" in response to a post stating Africans aren't involved in the whole thing even if they do have some connection to Japan, but no one said there needed to be Africans in the first place except them and you. This is a weeb burger (and ig South Asian) grievance.
Next, you'll be pretending people say Russians "need" to be featured in anime and it's unfair how much representation they get when they never even asked.
No. 2238938
>>2238882Kek, it's very true nona.
Not long ago ANOTHER dm chain involving the site's coomer scrotes and their momson fics got leaked to the greater public. Really does make you think, eh?
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>>2228911muscle isn’t a male only thing lol
>>2222857all those actors and they still sound like shit
>>2238582I always knew he was a faggot
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what is with wokies on twitter sexualizing what are clearly young male characters(often, straight up children) and wishing they were butch lesbians, I have seen the words "transmasc butch" and "forcefem" in those mentions and it gives me such a creepy feeling, reminds me of tims and tifs who sexualize young children
No. 2240250
>>2240217ah yes cause children look like gymbros with abs and big pecs and biceps. be for real. now the forced tranny shit i can agree is
problematic.
No. 2240257
>>2240221At least some of it is because these people generally only consume childish media with casts that don't get older than 16. People also fixate on over-categorising their interests– you can't just find Character A attractive, you have to specify and list out that it's the transmasc butch energy of Character A's design that you're cooing over (or whatever other niche internet poisoned categories need be applied). Because of how a lot of these labels are treated in online spaces, I'm not sure if the people doing this even realise that they're applying a sexualised lens to a character that might be inappropriate if you think about it or don't see trans stuff as being divorced from sexuality. Basically, they're blind to how this stuff can look to normal or critical people outside of their bubble.
Your picrel seems to be people who were hoping for a tif (likely for rep reasons, gotta see yourself in all media after all) when they saw the non-beach/summer design for the character, then felt 'let down' when their expectations were foiled by the shirtless design not leaving room for that 'headcanon' anymore/denying them their representation. Some of them are also of course expressing their interest in a fetish, but they'll usually try to dress it up in more palatable terminology.
Moving away from your original question about sexualisation, a lot of people in fandom spaces (as loosely as you can apply that, anyway) these days rely on a 'first glance' impression of a character as their entire understanding of said character, then proceed to apply headcanons to that and get shitty/feel betrayed once canon reveals more of the character that disproves those things. For whatever reason, the idea that it might take eg an entire show to convey all that canon has to say about a character rather than a promotional image or introductory scene has fallen out of vogue.
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>>2240250I'm not saying that specific character is a child, but I've seen it happen with characters who are children (and even irl people). picrel are the examples I was talking about
No. 2240380
>>2239667That's because I don't disagree with the rest of what was said. I'm just saying it's dumb to bring in Africans because they're unrelated. It's just a way to attack all black people without reason
>I'll calm my Nepali ass down if you calm your DjiboutiKek
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do you think this is true?
No. 2240579
>>2240555No. And that's a very weirdly specific tinfoil. Highschool bullies collectively decided to 'invade' fandoms during the pandemic? wtf.
The internet is more mean because of the inventions of smartphones which gave normies internet access and social media platforms now host ALL fandoms, enabling anyone to interact with them, instead of the old days when we had our own specific websites and forums dedicated to our hobby/fandom/whatever.
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>>2240555this is the video they're referencing
No. 2240642
>>2240555It's more that fandom in general became more of a social normalfag thing rather than being about enjoying the content.
A good amount of people nowadays find it too difficult to read a book by itself without following as many people as possible and reading nonstop ooc fanfiction that they don't even like. Rather than something central people have fun talking about, the original source material is nothing but a chore. These people being annoyed and complaining about the original content make those that were there for that annoyed too. Downward spiral, basically.
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Can someone spoonfeed me why games like the SH2 remake and that Mouthwashing game have such strong fujo/female fanbases that seem to live in a reality completely independent of the content of the games? I've only played the original SH2 and at no point did I find James to be a sympathetic character, but the recent fandom around the game keeps woobyifying him and turning him into this sad little pathetic kitten who was a victim in the murder of his wife, pic sorta related. Did the remake make him more sympathetic or something? And regarding Mouthwashing - I've seen so much cutesy fanart of the Japanese guy or the female character living happily ever after, but I seriously cannot stomach the game's premise for essentially being 4 men and a woman in a death scenario to even give it a shot. The fandom around it is so cutesy and I've seen fanart of these characters in sanrio costumes or being half-animal. I expect it from something like Genshin, but drawing a rapist with dog ears? Why?
I don't understand this recent obsession with taking interesting media concepts and sanitising to easy-to-digest fandom tropes. I might be a hater who can't have fun with fandom anymore. I just don't understand the point of being involved with something if you're going to be this ignorant of the source material.
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>>2241842It’s just the current state of fandom. It’s literally all so bad. At this point no one gives a fuck about the og source and makes these images for attention/updoots. I imagine people who make those images are irony poisoned teens
No. 2242526
>>2241842I also only know the OG, I think James can be seen sympathetically but moreso in the way the game shows his spiral and depression than over the fact that he killed his wife in a fit of moid rage. At least that's how I saw it…
Plus if the devs didn't want a sympathetic reading of him to exist they wouldn't have had the Leave ending in the game.
No. 2242604
>>2240755Honestly, I genuinely think it depends on what you're getting into and what the main demographic of that fanbase is. As
>>2241842 mentioned, I think stuff that's supposed to be "gritty, mature, and deep" tends to get a fanbase of zoomers that spend most of their time fighting others for their lack of "media literacy"
which is every zoomers favorite buzzword right now and then fighting others either over pairings or characters someone likes. It's like a battle to be the "smartest" in the fanbase.
But when you get into things with long-term, dedicated fanbases, you still get those elaborate AUs, group projects, etc. Its incredibly rare, but there is still hope. I recently got into a fanbase and it's mostly populated by older people who still make AUs, create tons of fan projects, and are all about consuming and discussing lore of the characters. I think it depends on why everyone is getting into something and if that certain thing is trending. Like with things like Mouthwashing, its just the flavor of the month game, almost like what happened with Fear & Hunger where it just gets populated with zoomers. But when you get into games/movies/shows/etc. with a rich history, you find a much more grounded fandom.
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>>2241842Because he's a moid and sadly that's the treatment moid characters get even if they've committed femicide. I remember the same thing happening with Life is strange, almost every moid character was a creep at best or a murderer at worst yet they got woobified, victimized and yaoi shipped.
I also think people don't know how to enjoy something without needing to indulge in fandom bs anymore. Silent hill isn't really suited for husbandofagging nor yaoi shipping, both things that fujos & co have tried to force into any SH tag. They should share the 'who ripped this fat vape in silent hill' memes and leave the thirstposting for their fanservice animu.
It has always mildly annoyed me how everyone treats SH2 as this 2deep4u psychological masterpiece when he just killed his sick wife because he was mad he wasn't getting his dick wet and the nurses tatas triggered him. The guy behind the monsters design is a huge disgusting coomer with a huge eroguro women folder on his Twitter No. 2243871
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curious, have your tastes changed as you've gotten older?
No. 2244079
>>2243871In some ways, sure– I'll find something new that I'll stick with for at least a year, but I've also got 'evergreen' fandoms that I always turn back to eventually (they're the sort that have been around longer than I have and have regular new instalments, so they both stay somewhat fresh but also comfy with older fandom charm and contributors). I'm not a rabid participant in any fandom though and tend to be pretty sedate with only a scant few parts of fandom bleeding into irl/my public life.
My overall taste in media hasn't changed much though, but I think that is because I was into more adult-oriented stuff even as a kid and just aged into it, and I also wouldn't consider myself part of a fandom for most of the stuff I like, since there isn't an actual fandom for it kek. It's just stuff I enjoy, without the broader community aspect.
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>>2243871Not too much tbh. Not reading as much shounen anymore I guess but that's more to do with getting tired of too many weekly releases rather than a few I liked.
I have started reading lns more since it's much easier to ignore shit community.
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This would be stupid but I never saw any really headcanon random char as straight
No. 2245740
>>2243871Not completely changed, expanded significantly. Some stuff I dropped completely, others I kept. I'm way more picky with the new stuff.
>>2245052Well, they would have to headcanon that, given most characters are hinted as straight in media. I will give them that at least they are admitting it's a headcanon, and not being delusional and pretending
> It's totally canon, you all should be ashamed for saying otherwise!Like I've seen some do.
No. 2246918
>>2243871My taste in media has shifted the more older I got with the most notable thing is my decreased interest in shoujo and shonen anime/manga. There's a few a like, but as I consumed more live action content, the more I wanted to kill my younger self. SPN hasn't been the same after the ending but I still wished I watched it when it was hot.
A bit unrelated, but for the nonnas that grew out of anime, do you still read manga at least given the industry refusal to adapt more interesting stories?
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>>2243871I'm a lot pickier. I used to jump on fandoms for their popularity, but I basically never do that now due to growing distaste in the twitter fandom experience.
I still like the same stuff I used to, though. I still love shounen manga/anime and am active in smaller manga fandoms. For anything popular, though, I'll stick to the source material and JP twitter fanart.