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>>1978406Fujocoomer cringe:
>>1959358Previous:
>>2197306 No. 2220139
>>2220111community feature 3rd post. Kiwifarms turned into twitter 2 lately, they will defend everyone they like against the same accusations they will label someone they dont like(who always has opposing political beliefs) the worst thing ever.
>>2220123they defended the pokemon feet pedo and also defended they oneyplay guys despite associating with shadman. They are massive hypocrites. The guy they are WK in the post i linked said the Epstein
victims were willing, too.
No. 2220167
>>2220159i wasnt defending the moid though, just posting an example of kiwifags using the same tactics twittertroons use to discredit someone they dislike. They are also defending richard stallman who said the epstein
victims were willing and said ''voluntary'' pedophilia doesnt hurt children
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>>2220212tayrt its understandable that your pedo troon bootlicking got caught but the reverse wont work on me faggot.
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>>2220128>>2220352Oh my god, it was drawn by Rebecca Sugar (creator of steven universe) because she had a crush on Dib. That's supposed to be her, fucking kek. How did I miss this
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>>2220353Now I'm morbidly curious, who's the name of the KF user with the avatar?
>>2220557Why do moids always have pedophilic tendencies toward young boys?
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>>2220602I think they're referring to this user
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>>2220322KF allows users like this, too. This guy had only positive ratings btw. I remember back when the chuggaconrroy(pedo footfag pokemon youtuber) drama happened his thread was filled with pedo apologists that WK him despite talking about his foot fetish with a 15yo.
No. 2220818
>>2220657The fact these retards are on a lolcow site and still don't think pedos have used this exact
"but what if we're in LOVE?!" excuse millions of times just proves men are inherently sub IQ.
No. 2220821
>>2220657Men are so fucking dramatic kek. This post embodies the energy of flouncing up the stairs to his bedroom and screaming "UGH YOU FEMALES NEVER LET ME DO
ANYTHING!!! I HATE THIS PLACE!!!!" Before slamming the door and blasting Green Day while he curls up on his bed and chokes back angry sobs.
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>>2220804ayrt oh I was, it baffled me then because I was too young/autistic to really
get the more… transformative side of fandom creations kek, but now it's kind of charmingly deranged to look back on. This being how Sugar chose to self-insert only makes it better lmao
No. 2221265
>>2221249Wait, he's asking us to consider which scenario he'd prefer our daughters to be in, and he clearly favours the first one where a 16 year old is essentially sold to an older man…does that mean
he would sell his
own teenage kids into marriage? Would he "approve" if some old scrotal suiter came sniffing around his daughters?
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And this is supposed to be “look how cool, quirky, and horny” tumblr is. I just find it lame
Where do you go if you want to talk about the thing you like? Honest question?
I know that ASOIAF is unique because waiting for GRRM to finish his books is a death sentence
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>>2218158they aren't letting this go
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Why are twitter gachacels so incredibly mentally ill? The original post that had over 15k likes has been deleted, but this individual accused a woman of misogyny for calling Ayaka a waifubait character. I have nothing against women that like female characters from gachashit but I hate when they try to paint these characters as some paragon of feminism. This entire thread is beyond parody to me because they use the same rhetoric that is used by males who claim that women are just jealous of their 1-dimensional waifus, but instead they add a dash of twitter feminism to whatever claim they are making.
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>>2222924Maybe I need to get my head out of gachashit, but I’m genuinely concerned for these women. Many of them are well over 20 and should know what feminism and misogyny are, but it seems like they learned these terms from Twitter one day and haven't stopped using them in every single conversation since then. I have noticed that whenever a semi-popular post about male characters appears, they jump in with a QRT to make some unrelated or exaggerated point about misogyny. I don’t even like the male characters from Hoyoshit, but I find this constant seething over "some random woman on the internet does not like this coombait female character, so it must be misogyny!1!!" both amusing and tiring.
It is very insulting, that some of them genuinely believe that if you don’t like female characters from hoyoshit of all things, then you must not be attracted to women. Worse, they belittle concerns voiced by Chinese women under the guise of feminism. For them, tearing down real women to defend the honour of fictional female characters designed by men somehow counts as peak feminism. I’ve seen so many unhinged posts in the past few days that it’s really making me think about the absolute state of women-dominated fandom spaces. Ironically, moids on reddit and /vg/ hold far more irrational hatred toward male characters, yet no one is policing their opinions over there.
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>>2222924>>2222930Wonder how many of these are trannies posting the same rhetoric as gooners with "so you hate women" instead of "are you afraid of boobs"?
RL women here are 100% fakebians and pornsick though. No way in hell you would whiteknight ZZZ unless you're actually retarded.
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>>2222982Posting the following because the copypasta is hilarious.
No. 2222984
>>2221483wrt to ASOIAF my fav is this one meme subreddit that's books only, seems to filter out the low IQ discourse in
>>2221384It's not all just jokes, sometimes some memes do
trigger people enough to discuss the books
but ASOIAF is in a runt because of the long hiatus, any fandom eventually breaks down after 5+ years
I never tried discords tbh, it seems like too much effort for me
No. 2223040
>>2220537Based Chinese fujos
>>2220572>Apparently ao3 is known to chinese fandoms as being for yaoi porn lmao.Implying AO3 is known for something different in the west? Kek most fanfics are M/M
No. 2223368
>>2222930>you don’t care for female character therefore you’re a misogynist I feel crazy and would like to apologize to many nonnies. I held similar beliefs up until a few months ago. A show I was following took a nosedive with its female cast while unintentionally making their male characters more interesting yet a certain segment of fans are hellbent on portraying any and all dissidents as sexists or misogynists before admitting that the writers themselves are badly handling the female characters. I’ve seen “you just hate flawed female characters essays” and those posts genuinely have me closer to becoming a /tv/ lurker .
I still get it on principle . The hate boner men had towards Skylar in Breaking Bad for example but idk i feel like nowadays it’s not that bad?
Like in the boys people don’t hate Victoria, who was a very morally grey character, and instead disliked Starlight for understandable reasons
It’s not always misogyny, sometimes your fav female character is just not interesting and invoking morality police and tumblr politics won’t change that
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this is over good omens getting a 90 minute finale, do they know how many fandoms would have literally begged for this?
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>>2223633that one girl saying
>never get into queer medialmao b/c the male writer WILL turn out to be a sexpest
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>characters that literally aren't related
>she's just the occasional girlfriend of his mentor figure
No. 2224309
>>2222924>which is definitely how that works irl too>no one hates Genshin women like womenBut they're not real women, and they they were literally made to get male coomers to spend all their savings on them…
>>2220657>chuggaconrroy(pedo footfag pokemon youtuber)Holy shit, this is the first time I've read anything about this.
>>2221265Nona, he's the kind of sick fuck who would want to have children only to groom and rape them.
No. 2224398
>>2224312It absolutely is. It's crazy to me that I suddenly started seeing conservatard moids throw that word
everywhere in the most text book example of "buzzword" way out of nowhere. Genuinely curious how it spread so quickly.
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>>2224312It stands for diversity, equity and inclusion and it's the new woke I guess. It's just used like a reason to explain why games are bad now without directly saying that the real issue is that they don't 100% cater to them. Imo the old fucks spouting this shit should not be playing games in the first place kek get an adult hobby
No. 2224708
>>2224447Go tell us your fandoms nona, let's see how mature and adult you are
I have never cared for superheroes in my life btw
No. 2224738
>>2224726I would also appreciate a spoiler-free summary, even if it's just a sentence
I'm playing the game atm so I imagine it includes that the characters and NPCs have varying skin tones and the world building includes different races and religions with prejudice and stereotypes about them, and that "tolerance" is a one of the traits the mc can level up in, however your female companions are conventionally attractive harembait
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>>2224738Hulkenberg is the main point of contention, they complain over her ass being "censored" when compared to earlier footage of the game, plus the fact that she eats bugs. Thankfully most of the outrage is painfully forced and the overwhelming majority of people don't give a shit.
The whole "diversity and tolerance" stuff doesn't really
trigger these people as much because, as you said, the female cast are all attractive.
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>>2225004It's a 100 hour long JRPG, the culture war rage grifters can't get much mileage out of it beyond cherry picked screenshots like pic related, specially since the game is actually good and sold really well.
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he's right
No. 2225057
>>2225030Haven't a bunch of right wingers absolutely shit on anime as brainrot?
Either way, using Frieren where the mc is a OP woman that doesn't really give a fuck and the ml died never getting laid doesn't seem like it'd go with those politics.
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>>222505Depends, the more racist the more likely they're to dislike it because it's made by "Japs/gooks" and is liked by trannies
No. 2225254
>>2225240Also calling gore the "moral equivalent" to CP.
Only an edgelord NEET with severe autism would ever construct this sentence.
No. 2225372
>>2225358>Not filmGhost Busters 2016? The Star Wars sequel trilogy? The Little Mermaid? There's plenty of outrage regarding films.
>booksCulture war grifters are fucking illiterate, they'd never talk about books.
No. 2225409
>>2225358I think it happens mostly with franchises or mediums that are traditionally associated with the stereotypical basement dweller neckbeard type of nerd. There already were a lot of whiny
toxic nerds, I think there's a growing resentment among these types of moids now because there's less big companies willing to directly pander to them
probably because they're whiny and easily triggered so it takes less effort to just make stuff for normal people instead kek.
No. 2225637
>>2225375there was some loser scrote i had to be subjected to in the past who was obsessed with the first few star wars and it was so funny seeing his reaction every time i said i had never seen any of them. like he couldn't fathom it and acted like it was my obligation to watch it and that it was his obligation to show it to me, topkek it made me want to watch it even less because he was insufferable. still haven't seen it all these years later
>>2225402kekkk
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I recently started drawing fanart for a fandom i used to be super into when i was a teen. I would love to be part of the fandom again and post my art online, but sadly it seems that the only non TRA fans left are all from asia. Not even having an anti-tranny episode saved the fandom from being populated by annoying gendies, there really is no fucking escape.
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>>2225717kek i was just thinking of this the other day, i genuinely do not get it, it's like they've never watched a single episode: which i would totally believe. i remember back in the early web days seeing tons of japanese and some western yaoi fanart of it, so my consensus is it's mostly former-fujo tifs who are incredibly divorced from reality. but i've also known some people who actually watched the show who are definitely the TRA type and i think the argument they made was that "well the show is making fun of everybody so it doesn't count!" or some stupid shit like that. honestly it's most likely the case of "people see what they want to see" and ignoring the parts they don't like. either way, the cognitive dissonance is insane with that crowd
>>2225724>>2225750kekkk too real
No. 2225954
>>2225358The medium's young, only starting in maybe 70s? Enter a audience who grew up in the 90s where every women in video games were stacked bimbos and men were ripped acton heros. Now that games gone mainstream, the olden tropes had faded, no longer relevant in the face of changing trends.
>>2225838The og trilogy was fine. Not amazing, but did pave the way for better things imo.
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Anyone else here bothered that the dirty old man trope doesn't have a female equivalent? Like where are my female ugly bastards lusting after younger male characters? Does this exist in any media that isn't just scrote oneeshota shit? I feel like this is a result of moids being threatened over the thought of an older woman finding a younger guy attractive, and women being conditioned into thinking that moids must always be older and dominant, kek.
No. 2226554
>>2226499idk why you'd be
bothered about a shitty trope not being more common for one sex over the other, but older women who leer at younger men do turn up more in live action comedies, from my experience. Also, while the attention is unwanted, the dirty old man trope isn't the same thing as the ugly bastard, as its usually a vehicle for shitty crass comedy (often to be immediately shut down as part of the bit) because the old person doesn't give a crap anymore/are pathetically trying to relive their glory days, and not a gross porn trope intended to sexually degrade a female character. The trope has also been on a general decline from what I've seen, and even characters known for embodying it (eg Master Roshi) have had their antics watered down in more recent depictions.
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>>2226499Arcane did it best imo
No. 2226898
>>2226806Holy shit maybe i should start watching more western media, absolutely based
Also
>older black woman with "unconventionally attractive" features>hitting on a young qt white twinkShocked culture warrior moids didn't throw a melty over this
>>2226844I wouldn't call liking twinky moids reddit bi, reddit bi is moreso dadbods and characters like that ugly green faggot from zelda. I will say that her being attracted to "muscle mommies" definitely feels like it's so the woke crowd wouldn't chimp out and call her a pedo.
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>>2226499This happens with a lot of female characters in
Boku no Hero Academia and I think also
Yuri on Ice. I was thinking it was a common anime trope
No. 2227048
>>2226907>You’ll notice that they’re usually clowned into silence when they try to go for a near-universally beloved property such as Arcane or Spiderverse.Yeah, it’s cool how the
Half-Life and
Portal series are seen as the gold standard of video games when they have a positive, non-sexualized portrayal of female and minority characters (and I’d even go as far as saying that
Portal and
Portal 2 have feminist themes).
No. 2227065
>>2227048I think some of this culture war nonsense has a generational component. And I don't just mean Gen Z vs Millennials and older I mean like older people who didn't get involved in online culture until more recently. Half Life 2 came out 20 years ago. Plenty of young dudes have never played it and lots of older guys might not have been gaming back then, or never played single player campaigns, or were uninvolved in fandom.
Alyx is a black woman with a very normal appearance (no skimpy outfits or super curvy body) but she was one of THE top video game waifus for nerd boys back in the 2000s. Current generation of grievance hunters are genuinely unaware that gamers used to commonly prefer a girl-next-door look in their waifus. If they ever made HL3 I do expect to see male infighting between the new breed that immediately cries DEI and the old breed rushing to protect the virtue of their childhood waifu.
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>>2227065When
Half-Life: Alyx (basically HL3) was released ~4 years ago, there were a lot of presumably male fans dissatisfied with her voice actor being changed and her face being more realistic (see picrel for comparison), but those things are understandable because I also thought the new character models fell a bit into the uncanny valley. If you were to look hard enough you could maybe find someone upset about playing as Alyx instead of Gordon, but the new game had a shockingly positive reception even after so many years of the series being ignored.
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>>2227065>>2227099Looks like a few people cried DEI over HLA, but it’s such an unpopular opinion that even Reddit is making fun of them.
No. 2227145
>>2227099ngl I can understand the dissatisfaction, especially with the change in voice. If the VAs are unable to still do the voice due to age that's one thing, but it's sad to see original VAs getting passed over for no reason.
The reason Alyx looks different is that her eyebrows are more arched (more feminine) and her jawline isn't as wide (more feminine). For all the complaining about DEI chins and manjaws a lot of these complainers lack aesthetic knowledge. Alyx has a cute, more rounded facial appearance because she was a wider jaw with a lower gonial angle. The new model tries to feminize her appearance in stereotypical ways and it makes her look quite different.
No. 2228895
>>2226898>>2226844>ultra masculine woc character this is not as revolutionary as you all are making it, it's basically a porn trope and like
>>2226844 said, she's basically a "reddit bisexual" trope
No. 2229052
>>2228370Only tangentially related, but I fucking hate headcanon culture. Nowadays you can take a, say, 20yo female characters with black hair who studies to be a doctor, headcanon her as a "35yo blonde trans femme catgirl who works as a barista" and everyone has to accept that.
Yes, I'm calling for gatekeeping because some headcanons are just shit.
No. 2229116
>>2228370Yes! It's now just ask me my headcanons/share your headcanons blog and all the remaining imagine blogs are very inactive and demotivated. Not to mention the AI drama and last year some imagine logs stealing fanfiction and rewording it as another character.
>>2228771It's like short prompt writings, not enough for a full fledged fanfiction but still nice. Like imagine if you made a birthday cake for your husbando, and then the blog would write a short story based on that. Ofc its easier to just say I HC husbando as trans nonbinary and blogs replying
valid and getting double the notes as the effortpost.
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How does this contradict eachother
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>>2229180Samefag, god I hate these ironic fujos who know nothing about the history of BL or our culture and say shit like this. Ofc this fag has the dead dove symbol in their bio but still has all these roundabout justifications for their heckin
problematic hobby (assuming they even read bl)
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>>2229052>Nowadays you can take a, say, 20yo female characters with black hair who studies to be a doctor, headcanon her as a "35yo blonde trans femme catgirl who works as a barista" and everyone has to accept that. you're right on point with the attitude now being that everyone has to accept your headcanons. i'm not even against having headcanons that are ridiculously OOC, but treating them as undisputable canon, and thinking that anyone can be factually right or wrong about their headcanons, when a headcanon literally is the imagined canon that's in your head and not in the media in question, is all so dumb. and i think the difference between then and now is also that like, before when there were imagine blogs for example, it was more clear that your headcanons or fanfictional ideas were just ideas with no authority, and that they could all coexist together because people were actually willing to hear other's thoughts about stuff in their respective fandoms. i also liked imagine blogs because they encouraged being more immersed in the media the blogs revolved around. submissions could be like "imagine being a blah in blahworld doing blah with blah and blah". no mentally ill shit like kinning. it was cringe at times but harmless unlike today when kids are claiming they have a multiple personality that's some minecraft streamer literally existing inside their body/brain.
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so i'm a mutuals with some libfems who are really into drag racing and the way they I've seen them engage with the fandom is fascinating, cause they basically treat it like "yuri" and even ship drag queens with each other and treat them like their female characters instead of gay men making a mocking impression of women
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Just wanted to post here about the schadenfreude I feel knowing the spergs who continually seethe about their two ships being either forgotten and or tainted by canon (they sometimes cry about the main ship i.e the girl “in the way” to the point of making ugly vent art of her being “cucked”) can only blame their fandom for not putting any effort in support for them. Bonus points for how shitty their art is after years as well as being the worst kind of pickmes with their shitty nsfw art.
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i’ve noticed that twitter “himejoshi” never engage with actual lesbian content. they’d rather play gacha or games that have no yuri so they can complain and argue that x character is actually lesbian coded. why?
No. 2230123
>>2230092If they spend more time tweeting about male characters, hate or not, then they're not himejoshis. No shipper is gonna waste their time on that shit. Just compare them to any actual yuri account, most of them barely tweet about male characters in any context. They don't even bother to shit on them, they just ignore them and focus on the female characters they like (which mirrors what fujos do only caring about their yaois and nothing else). Like
>>2230103 said these "himejo" accounts that spend their entire day hating on men are just masterdoc polilezzies, they pretend to only care about women/yuri but they never shut up about men. They just do this to overcompensate and prove how much of a lesbian they are or some shit.
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>>2226499The only old lady I know in media that does this is the old lady from Ace attorney games who stayed hitting on Edgeworth.
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>>2226499the only example i know is the old lady hitting on yung voldemort in harry potter and the half blood prince and she's an extremely minor character
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>>2230588not anime but cloest equivalent i know is Buck Brown's old lady comics
No. 2230774
>>2226499for real nonna. not animu related but imagine if there was a huge culturally revered movie like the 90s lolita adaptation or even leon the professional but the sexes of the characters were reversed. it would simply not be tolerated by society. yet the opposite is praised endlessly for its depth and meaning etc.
>Like where are my female ugly bastards lusting after younger male characters? Does this exist in any media that isn't just scrote oneeshota shit? even in the media or porn where this dynamic sort of exists, it's literally always just young looking sexy women with gigatits, never a normal old looking woman let alone a gross old hag. it's never realistic, just more of the same old, done to death scrote fap material of the milf/mommy category as always.
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>>2226499wouldnt call her nor dirty nor perverted by any means but she's the closest I can think of, their bond was based on their mutual fascination for death and ended up blooming into a full blown old-timey romance. The fact the actor wasnt underage at the time surprised me, he looked pretty young there. To summarize: its a weird girl-brooding dude romance except the girl is old enough to be his grandma and he looks fresh outta highschool.
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>>2231468nta but it's a film called harold and maude. definitely recommend, it's one of my favourites of all time.
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>just came across 3rd media this week where the main pair is a lesbian and a girly brown TiM
Kek this is so dumb, you just know they pat themselves on the backs for how sUbVeRsIve they are. Yet if I called them racist for making all their main brown “women” characters actually men in dresses I’d be the bad guy
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A transformers convention(fandom populated by TIMs) banned trannies.
No. 2233707
>>2233533Actually I will concede I wasn't thinking of it like a law. I had no idea there were laws against cross dressing in florida and I don't think there should be any law about how to dress (barring exposure/offensive imagery etc). I was thinking of it as like a dress code at a specific event, which is typically only subject to the common sense of whoever's running the thing. I would trust a sensible, normal person's instinctive judgement on what is fetishistic and what isn't.
But going back to my comparison to porn - there are always slippery slope arguments about how to define it, it's never going to be 100% clear and easily defined, but I still want porn banned. I don't care if some artistic nudes are collateral damage. In the same way, I don't care if some feminine gay dude in a dress is collateral damage in a ban on cross dressing at a convention if it means people are spared trannies in thigh highs and mini skirts. imo that is men forcing the public to participate in their fetish without consent and I won't ever support it.
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Apparently most animes and all of Disney are "explicitly against hate". This is so vague I don't even know what they're talking about.
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>>2233837There’s so much to unpack here.
>The happy, big-eyed worm creature on the right>The book floating above the pillar like a coin in some platformer>moster highAgree that
Steven Universe attracts
toxic people though.
t. a hateful person who will continue to enjoy entertainment regardless of its supposed morals.
No. 2234052
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I know this meme is very common and everyone already knows about its point, but can I just ask a question? When a fandom inevitably gets characters somewhat wrong by exaggerating, mellowing, or straight up making shit up about characters, is it mainly that the people who make these "bastardized" interpretations aware that they're being inaccurate and are just having fun with how they THINK a character "should've been" written, or are most people rather bad at understanding characters straight from canon material?
No. 2234093
>>2234052It's a mixed bag. There's this idea that surface level observations are always wrong, worsened by developers playing into it with dogshit "lore" to keep their fandoms engaged. People feel compelled to dig deeper than reasonable to extrapolate the truth, but more often than not, they end up taking leaps of faith with no basis in the source material. Fandom is also full of neurodivergents who struggle to view people holistically, they fixate on one characteristic instead of a dynamic personality because it's easier for them to digest. And like
>>2234074 said it becomes a game of telephone when fanfiction gets involved.
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I find alien stage fans’ obsession with Hyuna being a dommy mommy pegging girlboss who ”impregnates” the guy pretty baffling considering the media seems to consistently imply otherwise.
>attempt to look up nsfw
>first result is dickgirl Hyuna fucking cuntboy Luka
I fucking hate gendies so much
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>>2234433>first resultthese people need to be put in a straitjacket
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>>2235332That’s exactly why it’s baffling that people push such shallow unfitting tropes on her. They don’t consider her personality, vulnerabilities, or feelings at all, they’re just forcing their dumb fetishes and somehow it became popular fanon because fandoms in general can’t comprehend female characters who aren’t 2-dimensional. (It probably also has to do with her being tall and athletic with dark/angular features instead of a cutesy anime girl- fans formed an idea of her based on her looks and stuck to that)
However, I noticed this is mostly a western/english-speaking fan phenomenon- I guess because there’s more likely to be tryhard gendies? The chinese/korean/japanese fans seem to have a better understanding of her.
No. 2235654
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what is the single thing you hate the most about the fandom of your most favorite media?
No. 2235681
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>>2235654The hatred for Lois, especially when the same fans worship Hal. They act like she’s the devil and when unfair fucked up shit happens to her, it’s okay with them because she needs to be taught a “lesson”. Meanwhile they conveniently brush over Hal being a shitty father and husband because he’s le funny bumbling dad lol!
For one, Lois is based. She’s so charismatic and funny and absolutely makes the show. I used to dislike her as a teen, but on a second rewatch, she became my favorite. She is trying her hardest in a family of the most horrible fucking moids. Most of the time she’s actually rational, it’s the boys being crazy. She is flawed and I won’t excuse some crazy shit she’s done, but I understand her and how she became like that.
Hal had his funny moments but still I find him overrated, annoying, and a despicable husband and human being
>Covers up evidence of cops abusing their power to punish Lois (because the evidence proves she was right and the cops were lying, but he wanted her to think she was wrong so she’s less confident in her judgments and acts more docile)>Took photos of Lois naked while she’s asleep, tries to keep it a secret from her>Purposely pushes the tough work on Lois because she’s supposed to be the ‘capable’ one keeping the family in line.>Secretly took Fridays off at work while Lois always had to work her ass off so the family can afford food>When they had a pregnancy scare and he got mad blaming it on her for being “the woman”>Lied to her about getting a vasectomy>Secretly added sugar and fatty crap to her food for his weight gain fetish and got horny while she was distressed wondering what the hell was happening with her bodyThere is a scene in the bowling episode where Francis calls each parent asking for $100 to pitch in on a car.
>Hal: Oh, come on, Francis. That's ridiculous. I'm not giving you the money to buy one-seventh of a piece of junk>Francis: Okay. Just thought I'd ask. Later, Dad. ByeAnd when he calls Lois
>Lois: Oh, honey, I'm sorry. I really don't think we can afford this right now>Francis: Of course. I knew you'd say that. Why do I even try? Now you can go to bed happy, knowing that you kept my life a living hell!And I think this perfectly encapsulates how fans treated Lois.
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>>2235654I'm a
genshinfag so there are more than plenty, but the one thing I hate the most besides the fandom being dominated by weirdos is the complete, utter disregard of the original source material. Every single character is bound to be mischaracterized and flanderized until there's nothing left and it's practically either the fandom's collective OC blorbo now or just a one-note sex object male or female. A lot of it is also affirmed by grifters who want to hawk their artwork but not actually be invested in the source.
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>>2235654I’m more amused than annoyed by it, but human Wheatley and his derivatives would probably be one of the cringiest things about the Portal fandom. If you saw picrel without context, you wouldn’t think it had anything to do with Portal at all.
Also love the Shiggy image you added. No. 2235738
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>>2235654The hero worship of this greasy rat haired mf is actually insane. He was wrong throughout his entire expansion and in the end they treated Ysayle like the
victim and had her atone through suicide. Meanwhile this fucker gets off scot free because he's a man and a fan favorite. Then they COMPLETELY retcon his character to make him some free spirit misunderstood cool guy and everyone fangirls even more over him and acts like he's some super cool bishonen when he is in fact a nasty rat man with no redeeming qualities.
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>>2235737And whatever this is.
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>>2235654The anti/pro-ship wars, you either want squeaky clean "non-
problematic" everything or you are on the bench with pedos who also claim on their side since you already make ""
problematic" content. Tiktok was a mistake, I just want edgy comfy jokes with the cardboard cutouts.
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>>2226499literally the only doujin I know that has almost what you described is, i am not a father by matashita kintama, but even that is short lived with most of it focused on the guy getting fucked by other men (where being anally raped in women's clothing is shown as less traumatizing than having sex with a fat old woman) and the author's work are even more fucked,
shotas getting pregnant No. 2235932
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>>2226499There’s a couple of scenes like that in Venture Bros and always loved it when Brock would get uncomfortable.They should’ve gone further,tbh.
wish I could show the actual clip but it wouldn’t post No. 2235939
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>>2235654>One side of the fandom is coomer scrotes making the same 3 unfunny jokes ad nauseum>The other side is incessant moralfaggingMost of my favourite media's fandoms are basically just this.
No. 2235943
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This is grooming, this is emotional incest and i don't care if you disagree with me.
If it was shounen ai then it would have been okay but theyre literally reading or talking about 18+ yaoi together…nah that's gross.
Its nice to be supportive of your kids hobbies and interests but there are some boundaries which shouldn't be crossed.
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>>2226499Natsume Ono did it in Gente.
No. 2235963
>>2235681I've never met anyone who didn't love Lois, everyone I know irl who likes the show thinks she hilarious just like the other characters, so maybe I only met normal, sane fans, thank god.
>>2235654It's very general but I hate when you like a series of video games and the games are similar to each other while still feeling distinct and a lot of fans will sperg anytime they talk about a series because one game is so much worse/better than that one other game. Especially applies to Final Fantasy when I got into it long ago, Fire Emblem, SMT/Persona. And I hate whenever people compare Persona 4 to Scoobydoo it's so fucking annoying I can't express how much it pisses me off.
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>>2235676It’s not this one but it’s a good example. I haven’t read Chainsawman but from what I’ve heard of Makima it’s hilarious how people couldn’t handle her, especially when villains like Joker are given a pass despite his crimes. It’s just another one of fake performative feminism like when female love interests are turned into lesbians to get out of the way of whatever pairing (Korean yuri fans call it “leftover yuri” lol)
No. 2236057
>>2235943Thinking on it, isn't it considered more of a normal bonding type of thing for men? Sharing adult/more mature movies with their sons?
It's incest if it's between women, it's teaching a son to be a man with men kek.
No. 2236091
>>2236070Thats not me retard.
>>2236057You..do know we are on lolcow, out of all places you want to play the "but what about moid" card when i think they are
equally disgusting creeps for that, stfu freak.
>>2236068Sounds like projection, sorry you took weirdos sharing 18+ media with their children as something personal.
(infighting) No. 2236098
>>2236022>5 minute random surprise sex scene in a movie that makes everyone awkward in the roomIs apparently the same as:
>a comic where there are sex scenes every third chapter and the smut is explicit ans majority of time is dubcon, comic made for the sole purpose of fapping.There is some darwin awards level intelligence in this thread.
No. 2236117
>>2235943My friend was discussing explicit AOT yaoi fan fiction with her mom, and yeah I thought it was a bit weird KEK
I think the term for this would be “enmeshment”
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>>2235791AYRT
After Portal 2 was released in 2011, a lot of teenage girls had a crush on Wheatley, probably partly due to his VA being a popular British comedian (picrel). Because it’s weird to lust over an eyeball robot, people gave him the Bill Cipher treatment and drew him as a human who often looked like his voice actor. From what I understand, human Wheatley was like the Onceler before the Onceler.
I think the picture here
>>2235737 is just someone’s cursed inside joke, not a centaur AU.
No. 2236166
>>2236154I don't get it either, ehat exactly is feminine? Being emotional or something?
I genuinely wonder what male characters are considered "masculine" but still "for women".
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>>2236163>>2235676 NTA but the only thing I found was this. I think there might’ve been discussions about it in previous threads iirc.
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>>2236154They might be talking about the people who like to “female/mommy-code” male characters like when people use male characters to project period pain. I remember the discourse over this jjk dude being called female representation. Correct me if I’m wrong but apparently he’s supposed to be misogynistic at that lol, what.
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>>2236253>Correct me if I’m wrong but apparently he’s supposed to be misogynistic at that lol, what.The guy you're talking about is Geto and he's not sexist. But maybe you also saw some people talking about another character from the same manga, he's Naoya, 90% of his character is being sexist, especially with his younger cousins Maki and Mai, and 10% is worshipping his older male cousin who's so cool, masculine and strong and has a pretty face to the point where he looks gay as fuck. I've seen some people saying there's a funny contrast between him being a deranged misogynist and him talking in a cutesy Kansai ben that feels equal to him talking in a valley girl accent in English, or him wearing a n old fashioned hakama but dying his hair and wearing earrings, but they don't take it as seriously as Geto fangirls insisting that Geto might as well be a woman because technically his superpower is similar to mpreg.
No. 2236287
>>2236270Wait I forgot the most important argument with Naoya but spoilers because he's not in the anime yet
he gets killed with a normal stab wound so he comes back as a curse, and he looks like a giant vulva in this form. And then he evolves again and looks like a giant uterus. While screeching that one of the main girls will never surpass him because he's a retarded jealous bitch. I think the actual shit takes will be posted once the third season will start though.
No. 2236325
>>2236224KEK this is painfully accurate
>>2236263Yeah anons armchair this behavior to embarrassing levels, most of it is just projecting into their blorbos and using them as comfort characters and that's about it. Agree that this is a way better alternative to trooning out and trying to become male.
No. 2236401
>>2225758I could've sworn there was an episode like that.
>>2236338And I thought yaoi couldn't possibly be the reason for braindead tifs but here we are. I think anon's point was that kind of projection could easily go south, in this generation anyway.
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>>2235654Yes, laugh at me for being a Genshin player but the absolute single thing I cannot abide about the fandom isn’t the lolicons, isn’t the racism, isn’t even the incels, but this specific genre of ‘WLW’ in bio ‘transfem’ who goes around on Twitter telling real female fans that they’re ‘misogynists’ for feeling uncomfortable with oversexualised stripper designs. These are essentially just ‘cis’ straight men not only telling women to shut up and take their rampant sexism and pornography addiction lying down, but using feminist rhetoric to do so. It makes my blood boil.
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>>2237153not a gachafag but I understand, when I was younger and was into the owl House, I came across so many degens and troons who sexualized the female characters and seemed to despise the only male character because he got in the way of their lesbian ship and called little girls misogynistic and sexist because they liked him
No. 2237242
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>>2229711No, I wasn't talking about the imagines, but the character re-writes that are being passed off as "headcanons" these days.
For example, this art meme. It says
>draw this character in your style and/or with your headcanonsas if headcanons changed the canon apperance of characters (unless it's like, a book character with no defined canon appearance, or a character that's only mentioned but never seen on-screen). That's not what a headcanon is, at all. That's taking a canon character and making an OC with it. Not only are headcanons not supposed to be undisputable gospel, but they shouldn't contradict what's already established in canon. It's like the current generation of fandoms are incapable of getting it.
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>>2237238hunter, the brooding, edgy elf boy who also wears a mask
No. 2237253
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>>2237244Kek, don't remind me of the hunter hate, the trannies were seething so much over this dude and that girls were fangirling over him so much and not "paying enough attention" to the canon lesbian couple.(they were, but you know damn well for these guys it's never enough)
The seethe over him being redeemed and not killed off coming from these guys is so good. No. 2237256
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>>2237230>A great example was that ‘I’ll show Shibuya a real incident’ twitter meme that went around a while ago, kek. No gender implications, no vaginal mentions, just a horny cocksucking joke.KEK, NTA but I just looked it up. Based.
Note how it's always scrotes (tranny or not) that chimp out whenever women aren't indulging in male fetishes, and instead openly talk about their own preferences completely without caring about moid opinons.
>>2236253>male character is written to face struggles that women usually deal with more than men>female character-codedTranny logic. Shouldn't they be celebrating that a male character has traits that are stereotypically associated with women, instead of doing these mental gymnastics to convince people of how this male is totes actually female?
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>>2237238>That sort of rambling sounds like Lily Orchid.It's by him, also related. he once got a female publisher basically cancelled with his rants, so author christie holden wrote a number of tie-in books to video game series, including assassin's creed and world of warcraft and was living her best life and also writing her own vampire romance novels. and this moid (who claims to be a feminist lesbian) didn't like the fact that the female characters had romantic relationships with men and he accused her of being a racist (because she got the facts wrong about arab and warcraft fantasy culture wrong), a misogynist (again, because she supposedly didn't handle her female characters properly), a pedophile and a fetishist (because a 20 year-old male character fell in love with a middle-aged female character). she had to turn off her account for a few months cause of this
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>>2237275samefag, here's him just admitting he got banned for a while for harassing her
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Can anyone who plays Call of Duty explain what's going on with the fanbase? I thought it was a moid game why is there suddenly a billion they/them Wilbur Soot people writing yaoi fanfics about them knotting eachother on the battlefield? It's become a huge thing on TikTok (and fanfic websites too) for the front page to be full of OC art and stories written the exact same way as the old 2016 1Direction wattpad classics. And I mean that. Right down to the "I put on my messy bun and mascara and my mum sold me to Ghost to pay off her debts" opening chapters
No. 2237534
>>2237452Oh shit, that's the artist who drew that pic? Danm, she's crazy skilled. I thought it was a gay man, kek.
>>2237476Is that where that Tumblr sexyman guy comes from? Benry or something.
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>>2237534>Is that where that Tumblr sexyman guy comes from? Benry or something.Yes kek
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>users on r/a03 are 50 times more likely to use r/asexuality then the average reddit user
interesting
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>>2237438There’s always been CoD yaoi and fangirls, at least since 2007. There was a famous doujinshi about the characters of mw2 called Defective Dogs. There is a new wave of zoomer fangirls because of the reboot. There’s the tumblr side and the TikTok side, though the tiktok side is more about the thirst traps and edits than the actual characters. Last summer the husbando threads were nothing but Ghost and König.
miss it tbh No. 2237600
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>>2237590It’s more of a fujoshi set up but whatever. I misremembered, it wasn’t a bee, a snake bit him.
No. 2237647
>>2237594AYRT, the other series I saw this kind of doujin made for were Hetalia and that poor MGS imitation called My Life With You. There were several original BL manga of around that era with the same kind of plot (military rape), too.
>>2237600Kek. The translation is pretty decent. Apparently people also sold the translated version.
No. 2237889
>>2237819It's a bit scary, especially with the way that artist renders.
>>2237793It's not supposed to be serious, and I'm not a fujo but I found it funny. Don't like, don't read.
No. 2237974
>>2235943>This is grooming, this is emotional incest and i don't care if you disagree with me.okay so first off you clearly don't know what incest means. and secondly, how is the mother supposedly grooming her daughter here? influencing her into becoming a fujo, god forbid? kek. like
>>2237157 mentioned fathers have been gifting sons their collections of playboys and hustlers, later on even video tapes, as sacred coomer heirlooms like a retarded coming of age ritual since the dawn of porn culture. but no one's really addressing that as a problem even though it's something that, unlike yaoi manga, does in fact victimize people, namely the women who are exploited by said porn magazines.
furthermore i think there's little to no difference between parents watching a movie or tv show that includes lewd and/or sex scenes with their kids and showing them a book or in this case a manga that also includes the same sort of content. and the first happens all the time, assuming it's not some insanely graphic shit and that age restrictions are followed etc (which by the way, aren't age restrictions on movies and tv there for parental guidance purposes to judge what's okay for the kid to see or not? typically age restrictions are lowered if you go with a parent to the cinema, for example, for the sake of the kid's safety which is then supposedly not at as high of a risk or whatever. so wouldn't a mom reading some bl along with her daughter probably indicate more parental control/monitoring of the content to the benefit of the girl's safety?). i'd say the latter is actually more appropriate in comparison to the first since real people aren't showed and so whatever sex stuff that's possibly going on is presumably not as explicit. i wonder if you or someone else with the same view would react this way if the mom and girl were watching something like game of thrones together? idk the age of the girl in your screenshot but she looks old enough to read some bl/yaoi without it somehow harming her. unless they're actually sitting there gooning together, this is at most just awkward and a little weird. goes without saying that if the context was a dad instead of a mom and daughter anything like this would obviously be a whole different story.
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>>2235654I'll share my answer to my own question. What I hate the most about the FNAF fanbase is honestly the sheer amount of gendietards, including TIFs. Why are the so many fucking gendietards and TIFs in here? Why do they like drawing top surgery scars on William like they wish he was a biological female? It's so gross to me that of all characters, they picked the fucking child murderer to project their TIF shit onto. Like seriously, Aidens want fucking
William to rep them? I'm so tired of going through fanart of the human characters and finding surgery scars on the males. The majority of FNAF's core lore takes place before the 2000s even started, and specifically in the state of Utah of the USA. The odds of this nigga being a tranny supporter is less than 1%. Come the fuck on, he's more likely to be a faggot than a tranny-lover or a tranny himself.
No. 2238079
>>2235654I'm black and I hate race swapped fanart, especially if the "artist" make them ugly. And I've noticed it's always the dumbest characters getting swapped, like what are you implying?
The 90s was a high point for #black# characters and I fear we will never see that again
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>>2238246tbh the Disney race swaps were about "what if this Disney movie was set in this different country/culture" current race swaps are just making characters black for brownie points. If someone made this edit nowadays people would be screaming about making Tiana anything other than black when it's not about making the characters the most oppressed races possible for "diversity" but changing around things for fun without any other consideration
It's kinda like genderbending vs redesigning and calling characters trans, the former was made for fun, now it has political intention
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>>2238307Neither, I think everyone of any race and ethnicity should have media that they can connect with, but I feel like anime is viewed through a American lense and I think the current amount of black representation in anime and manga is pretty expected because of the population, I wouldn't be mad at more black women in anime but this is media made by a group of people who are xenophobic towards other East Asian let alone the rest of world. Arguably most "white" characters in Japanese media is just a Japanese person with eurocentric features (or hair eye/colour in media with characters with rainbow hair, I don't think Satoko from Higurashi is supposed to be white and I certainly don't view her as such)
Like for comparison I'm from Australia and we don't really have any African representation nor do many people expect it because we really don't have the population size for it, you're far more likely to see Australian Aboriginals and Arabic people as a result of the general population.
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>>2238345Isn't Carole and Tuesday in the Cowboy Bepop universe? I haven't watched Bepop in ages but I feel like Carole and Tuesday would have happened anyways.
No. 2238364
>>2238345>It is not our fault other races dont take their minstrelsy in media seriously enough to call it out when they see racism and harmful stereotypesYou must have read my post a little too fast because I said I don't get any representation AT ALL in anime. How could anyone take something that doesn't even exist seriously? The other examples from my posts weren't even from pop culture but about how info about my ethnic group isn't even accurate in the news or actual studies. And you're talking about anime but you should focus on the root of your problem, either manga or light novels, because most anime are just adaptations of established series. You're just one person so it might not work but if you really care you should try to financially support manga with representation you see as accurate or respectful, advertise them by, idk, posting about them online for instance, so they can get an adaptation later. And hopefully by a good studio but that's another issue entirely.
>Black artists also often do race swaps not to be dickheads but to prove that it is not hard to draw black people in the anime style.They're not nearly as visible as the 14yo white American SJW who uglify
is that even a word Black characters on purpose when drawing them because "muh representation" means that ugly people are participating in the oppression olympics to them. Which brings me to this
>>2238287 I'm sure the anon you're replying to was talking about when "artists" make a character Black and then make them as ugly as possible because they don't want to give too many unattainable eurocentric beauty standards expections to Black people. I'm not sure how things are now but that was a huge trend before the pandemic.
No. 2238372
>>2238357Eh, burgers
>>2238322>the recent light novel with a main character being from Latin America and whose first name is Latina.Kek that's so dumb it's endearing
No. 2238409
>>2238345what
>>2238351 said, watanabe is a very rare exception, he is both a westaboo and a japanese marxist who, unlike the vast majority of japanese manga/anime authors, who basically appropriate western aesthetics, actually seems to understand western culture and complexity beyond its aesthetics and his works often include his politics
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>>2238079I like them if they're not ugly or meant to insult/attack anyone. I really don't care about the anti-woke debatefags' arguments about muh representation bad and "blah blah blah it's woke" because they always end up bashing innocent black people regardless. Nothing is harmed by drawing a cute black girl version of some character or editing a picture except some racist sperg's feelings. I also don't mind it being done the other way around, unless (again) it's ugly or done as an insult/attack. Interestingly, people only ever seem to draw black characters white because they want to attack others and get into a slapfight, not because they want to reinterpret the character's design in a different culture or anything fun like that.
>>2238259I'd like to see edits and fan art like that with more characters, but people are too dumb and hateful to have fun anymore.
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I'm assuming the black anons talking about the anime representation thing are American, so what does Africa have to do with the anime discussion? If we want to look into it, there is some historical connection that continues into the modern day between the two re: trade and the like, and there are enough Nigerian and Ghanaian people living there to account for a population of blasians like Mendy Sakiguchi, but I don't think Africans care that much about Japanese anime/pop culture. /pol/tards are so weird.
There are also the half-Japanese half-Congolese children that Japanese moids killed and/or abandoned after impregnating the women there while on "mining trips", but that's a dark aspect of history. Reposting to spoiler
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>>2238504>>2238517reposting from another thread, "white" people in the vast majority of japanese media are people who are culturally japanese and have dyed blonde hair, but that's as far as it goes, white people in most manga/anime are just japanese people in white face
No. 2238545
>>2238523Just on top of my head, and this also includes vidya but Mads Mikklesen himself was in Death Stranding and Hideo Kojima has a gay crush on him, one of the rapist yakuza in one of Scarlet Beriko's manga and I dropped the manga because of him he looked far too realistic compared to the other characters and it cracked me up everytime he was there so I couldn't take the story seriously anymore, and Nanami from JJK is like 1/4 Danish for no reason and he's still naturally blond with an exotic face and high cheekbones despite being younger than Gojo, you can already guess why. Speaking of JJK, still related to other anons' point, there's a plot point that there are a lot more sorcerers in Japan than anywhere else for reasons explained later but we still have:
>a Kenyan(?) guy who just does his thing I'm still not getting over him showing up in the last arc, doing nothing, calling Gojo racist and leaving kek>some white guy with a French name who's always with him>a half American, half Japanese girl who has powers because of her American dad>a French weaboo who's also Gege's self insert so he assaults his editor as soon as he shows up on screen for the first time>who tf knows where Mei Mei and Ui Ui are from at this point, I sure don't No. 2238551
>>2238523Same as here
>>2238519Now it no longer is as extreme but in the 80s to 00s so much that wasn't about school/slice of life/magical girls was set somewhere in central europe (often castles) and had characters of those countries and sometimes even the entire thing had names in the language of those countries
>>2238543That's not what we're talking about tho, have you seen something like Trinity Blood? There were many with clearly everything and everybody set in the "main" european countries
No. 2238564
>>2238557Everybody can tell an actual white character from a japanese character who happens to have unrealistic hair, skin and eye color, anon. Black people want something like
>>2238551 to happen for them too, something in which black people are the important main characters and not just a joke on the side.
No. 2238576
>>2238543Agreed, Japan definitely likes aping white aesthetics (especially historical ones), but they don't exactly sideline themselves.
It's the same way a lot of hapa women seem to become models or actresses, but it's also not uncommon for them to be bullied and treated like outsiders. I think an interesting analog is how in the US, Doja Cat has talked about growing up getting bullied for being half-black by all the white kids in her neighborhood, and still gets seethed at by racists today, but also became a world-famous American pop star for her skills crossed with her looks. I doubt it means Japan "worships" white people/culture any more than the US "worships" black people/culture (ig genuine interest/fascination that might veer into fetishization/commodification if overly shallow are better descriptors). I think most people like what's both familiar and different.
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>>2220304>>2220320>>2220324During the early 2010s, Null's old (girl)friend revealed to an entire forum of people chatlogs where he admits to masturbating to 'neko shota'. He goes onto corroborate these messages by giving the context of "I was 14 and thought I was gay", picrel is what I'm describing since one nona asked for receipts. To be honest, I'd argue he's done more questionable things that not many people mention, since 'neko shota' waaaay more memeable by a long shot. The one that I'm thinking of is when he wrote a vore fetish story for the same gal pal he knew, involving her being an elementary schooler eating people.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that Null, and to a larger extent kiwifags, primarily seem to hate anime culture and its obnoxious fanbase and project that in the form of hand-wringing over '
problematic content' in fiction. In other words, take what he and other kiwifags say with a grain of salt.
No. 2238647
>>2238383This, plus the blonde hair was because she's from the moon, not because she's meant to be white or whatever. Wasn't silver hair considered too?
Anyway, this push for self insertion and having characters look "just like me" seems unhealthy. I see kids cartoons nowadays push this idea and it always comes off as such cringe literally me ebony darkness dementia way every time, the idea of creating a character that isn't just you seems like it's getting more and more unpopular, and discussion has suffered as a result since people literally cannot understand enjoying a character
as a separate person that doesn't reflect you.
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>>2238307On one hand, I don't expect it too and ideally, I want very little rep from anime (only if it's cool and aesthetic). American media, I have higher expectations. Either a well-written developed non-stereotypical black female character or nothing at all. Like I hate seeing ugly ghetto charterers in fiction. Imagine growing up with ugly minstral art in your media because everyone else on earth loves that slop. Or how every black token character is always a black male, and any raceswaps with him is never addressed and people don't mald as much over it (pic rel)
TL;DR good rep or no rep, i never want to see ugly bad rep
No. 2238852
>>2238817You mean
>>2238534? They were randomly complaining about "representation" in response to a post stating Africans aren't involved in the whole thing even if they do have some connection to Japan, but no one said there needed to be Africans in the first place except them and you. This is a weeb burger (and ig South Asian) grievance.
Next, you'll be pretending people say Russians "need" to be featured in anime and it's unfair how much representation they get when they never even asked.
No. 2238938
>>2238882Kek, it's very true nona.
Not long ago ANOTHER dm chain involving the site's coomer scrotes and their momson fics got leaked to the greater public. Really does make you think, eh?
No. 2239471
>>2228911muscle isn’t a male only thing lol
>>2222857all those actors and they still sound like shit
>>2238582I always knew he was a faggot
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what is with wokies on twitter sexualizing what are clearly young male characters(often, straight up children) and wishing they were butch lesbians, I have seen the words "transmasc butch" and "forcefem" in those mentions and it gives me such a creepy feeling, reminds me of tims and tifs who sexualize young children
No. 2240250
>>2240217ah yes cause children look like gymbros with abs and big pecs and biceps. be for real. now the forced tranny shit i can agree is
problematic.
No. 2240257
>>2240221At least some of it is because these people generally only consume childish media with casts that don't get older than 16. People also fixate on over-categorising their interests– you can't just find Character A attractive, you have to specify and list out that it's the transmasc butch energy of Character A's design that you're cooing over (or whatever other niche internet poisoned categories need be applied). Because of how a lot of these labels are treated in online spaces, I'm not sure if the people doing this even realise that they're applying a sexualised lens to a character that might be inappropriate if you think about it or don't see trans stuff as being divorced from sexuality. Basically, they're blind to how this stuff can look to normal or critical people outside of their bubble.
Your picrel seems to be people who were hoping for a tif (likely for rep reasons, gotta see yourself in all media after all) when they saw the non-beach/summer design for the character, then felt 'let down' when their expectations were foiled by the shirtless design not leaving room for that 'headcanon' anymore/denying them their representation. Some of them are also of course expressing their interest in a fetish, but they'll usually try to dress it up in more palatable terminology.
Moving away from your original question about sexualisation, a lot of people in fandom spaces (as loosely as you can apply that, anyway) these days rely on a 'first glance' impression of a character as their entire understanding of said character, then proceed to apply headcanons to that and get shitty/feel betrayed once canon reveals more of the character that disproves those things. For whatever reason, the idea that it might take eg an entire show to convey all that canon has to say about a character rather than a promotional image or introductory scene has fallen out of vogue.
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>>2240250I'm not saying that specific character is a child, but I've seen it happen with characters who are children (and even irl people). picrel are the examples I was talking about
No. 2240380
>>2239667That's because I don't disagree with the rest of what was said. I'm just saying it's dumb to bring in Africans because they're unrelated. It's just a way to attack all black people without reason
>I'll calm my Nepali ass down if you calm your DjiboutiKek
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do you think this is true?
No. 2240579
>>2240555No. And that's a very weirdly specific tinfoil. Highschool bullies collectively decided to 'invade' fandoms during the pandemic? wtf.
The internet is more mean because of the inventions of smartphones which gave normies internet access and social media platforms now host ALL fandoms, enabling anyone to interact with them, instead of the old days when we had our own specific websites and forums dedicated to our hobby/fandom/whatever.
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>>2240555this is the video they're referencing
No. 2240642
>>2240555It's more that fandom in general became more of a social normalfag thing rather than being about enjoying the content.
A good amount of people nowadays find it too difficult to read a book by itself without following as many people as possible and reading nonstop ooc fanfiction that they don't even like. Rather than something central people have fun talking about, the original source material is nothing but a chore. These people being annoyed and complaining about the original content make those that were there for that annoyed too. Downward spiral, basically.
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Can someone spoonfeed me why games like the SH2 remake and that Mouthwashing game have such strong fujo/female fanbases that seem to live in a reality completely independent of the content of the games? I've only played the original SH2 and at no point did I find James to be a sympathetic character, but the recent fandom around the game keeps woobyifying him and turning him into this sad little pathetic kitten who was a victim in the murder of his wife, pic sorta related. Did the remake make him more sympathetic or something? And regarding Mouthwashing - I've seen so much cutesy fanart of the Japanese guy or the female character living happily ever after, but I seriously cannot stomach the game's premise for essentially being 4 men and a woman in a death scenario to even give it a shot. The fandom around it is so cutesy and I've seen fanart of these characters in sanrio costumes or being half-animal. I expect it from something like Genshin, but drawing a rapist with dog ears? Why?
I don't understand this recent obsession with taking interesting media concepts and sanitising to easy-to-digest fandom tropes. I might be a hater who can't have fun with fandom anymore. I just don't understand the point of being involved with something if you're going to be this ignorant of the source material.
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>>2241842It’s just the current state of fandom. It’s literally all so bad. At this point no one gives a fuck about the og source and makes these images for attention/updoots. I imagine people who make those images are irony poisoned teens
No. 2242526
>>2241842I also only know the OG, I think James can be seen sympathetically but moreso in the way the game shows his spiral and depression than over the fact that he killed his wife in a fit of moid rage. At least that's how I saw it…
Plus if the devs didn't want a sympathetic reading of him to exist they wouldn't have had the Leave ending in the game.
No. 2242604
>>2240755Honestly, I genuinely think it depends on what you're getting into and what the main demographic of that fanbase is. As
>>2241842 mentioned, I think stuff that's supposed to be "gritty, mature, and deep" tends to get a fanbase of zoomers that spend most of their time fighting others for their lack of "media literacy"
which is every zoomers favorite buzzword right now and then fighting others either over pairings or characters someone likes. It's like a battle to be the "smartest" in the fanbase.
But when you get into things with long-term, dedicated fanbases, you still get those elaborate AUs, group projects, etc. Its incredibly rare, but there is still hope. I recently got into a fanbase and it's mostly populated by older people who still make AUs, create tons of fan projects, and are all about consuming and discussing lore of the characters. I think it depends on why everyone is getting into something and if that certain thing is trending. Like with things like Mouthwashing, its just the flavor of the month game, almost like what happened with Fear & Hunger where it just gets populated with zoomers. But when you get into games/movies/shows/etc. with a rich history, you find a much more grounded fandom.
No. 2243265
>>2241842Because he's a moid and sadly that's the treatment moid characters get even if they've committed femicide. I remember the same thing happening with Life is strange, almost every moid character was a creep at best or a murderer at worst yet they got woobified, victimized and yaoi shipped.
I also think people don't know how to enjoy something without needing to indulge in fandom bs anymore. Silent hill isn't really suited for husbandofagging nor yaoi shipping, both things that fujos & co have tried to force into any SH tag. They should share the 'who ripped this fat vape in silent hill' memes and leave the thirstposting for their fanservice animu.
It has always mildly annoyed me how everyone treats SH2 as this 2deep4u psychological masterpiece when he just killed his sick wife because he was mad he wasn't getting his dick wet and the nurses tatas triggered him. The guy behind the monsters design is a huge disgusting coomer with a huge eroguro women folder on his Twitter No. 2243871
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curious, have your tastes changed as you've gotten older?
No. 2244079
>>2243871In some ways, sure– I'll find something new that I'll stick with for at least a year, but I've also got 'evergreen' fandoms that I always turn back to eventually (they're the sort that have been around longer than I have and have regular new instalments, so they both stay somewhat fresh but also comfy with older fandom charm and contributors). I'm not a rabid participant in any fandom though and tend to be pretty sedate with only a scant few parts of fandom bleeding into irl/my public life.
My overall taste in media hasn't changed much though, but I think that is because I was into more adult-oriented stuff even as a kid and just aged into it, and I also wouldn't consider myself part of a fandom for most of the stuff I like, since there isn't an actual fandom for it kek. It's just stuff I enjoy, without the broader community aspect.
No. 2245002
>>2243871Not too much tbh. Not reading as much shounen anymore I guess but that's more to do with getting tired of too many weekly releases rather than a few I liked.
I have started reading lns more since it's much easier to ignore shit community.
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This would be stupid but I never saw any really headcanon random char as straight
No. 2245740
>>2243871Not completely changed, expanded significantly. Some stuff I dropped completely, others I kept. I'm way more picky with the new stuff.
>>2245052Well, they would have to headcanon that, given most characters are hinted as straight in media. I will give them that at least they are admitting it's a headcanon, and not being delusional and pretending
> It's totally canon, you all should be ashamed for saying otherwise!Like I've seen some do.
No. 2246918
>>2243871My taste in media has shifted the more older I got with the most notable thing is my decreased interest in shoujo and shonen anime/manga. There's a few a like, but as I consumed more live action content, the more I wanted to kill my younger self. SPN hasn't been the same after the ending but I still wished I watched it when it was hot.
A bit unrelated, but for the nonnas that grew out of anime, do you still read manga at least given the industry refusal to adapt more interesting stories?
No. 2247273
>>2243871I'm a lot pickier. I used to jump on fandoms for their popularity, but I basically never do that now due to growing distaste in the twitter fandom experience.
I still like the same stuff I used to, though. I still love shounen manga/anime and am active in smaller manga fandoms. For anything popular, though, I'll stick to the source material and JP twitter fanart.
No. 2247791
>>2243871I have mixed feelings about food4dogs (btw she got into this stuff when she was already an old lady as a way to cope with an unnamed personal tragedy) because she's into stuff like Hyperdimension Neptunia and Trails of Cold Steel which elude the patience of most female fans of JRPGS lol
Not mixed in a bad way, she just baffles me.
No. 2247935
>>2243871I think I'm interested in the same tropes, themes, characters, etc. but I'm picky compared to when I was a teenager. I liked Naruto a lot as a kid and then teen, when the timeskip didn't exist yet in the manga but dropped the manga in high school during Pain's arc. But now that I think about it I think I wouldn't even be able to read the first part of the story again even for nostalgia's sake because I'd dislike it too much. There are manga I liked a lot and finished reading back then that I kind of want to read again just to see if I'd get a different opinion now that I'm 30 years old. As for anime, there are some I just know I'd dislike when rewatching them because of things I find off putting now but pretended weren't there, like the fanservice in Haruhi Suzumiya being stupid and ruining everything else. Something that didn't change is that I still tend to care about and like adult characters in manga and anime a lot more than the teenage main characters. I watch less live action series nowadays and don't remember the ones I watched before because they all got replaced by reality tv shows eventually and I barely have time to watch anything online so it's harder to compare. And there are novels I read long ago that I would enjoy more now if I read them for the first time today, like The Devil Wears Prada, because they would be a bit more relatable.
As for video games, I didn't play a lot of games as a kid and teenagers compared to what I played as an adult. There are so many series I wish I discovered earlier because I love them and know I would have been obsessed with them earlier. I started playing older Final Fantasy games just a few months ago and love them, and I feel like I missed out on something when they were even more popular. But video games are interactive so it's easier to ignore the parts I dislike in their stories or their characters as long as the gameplay is fun.
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I just wish wokies could understand shut like picrel isn't racism, It’s two designs of the same character in very different animation styles and there is nothing wrong with either
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>>2247993They look like different races kek the og design is black while the new design looks like a latina. Don’t think its woke to point out when black characters get redesigns and their race changes too for no reason
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>>2248059I have such mixed feelings about Orange Blossom because I adore 1980-2007 and 2009. If only they were separate characters.
Ot but I won't forgive them for gender bending picrel for no reason and sucking away all her charm. And also the all trannies projecting onto her. It's upsetting.
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I can't believe there are moralfags who say that shotacons and lolicons are both equally bad when shotacons are mostly women who aren't spewing shit like this
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Sorry but the update in picrel is absolutely fucking ridiculous. As if ZZZ gooners thought the right wasn’t sexy enough with the absolute bare minimum personality her model had before and felt the need to tweak it even further so that now she looks like a drugged out, spaced out sex doll with no thoughts going on upstairs. This shitty incel game gets me livid every time I’m forced to see anything from it against my will.
No. 2248184
>>2248174>womenthe only people who i have seen compare those two have been baiting moids and yuripedos. No one outside of those two even thinks they are on the same wavelength especially with how badly moids are when it comes to separating reality from fiction and how the majority of molestation
victims are girls.
No. 2248200
>>2248174Anon, I’ve seen other women (
poc or not that are K-pop stans, fujos, normies etc.), faggots and the like vote for Trump. Your fellow shotafags are not exempt either lol. I wonder if they’re all aware of the supposed porn ban.
No. 2248208
>>2248183I don't see the shotacons here or anywhere else who cheer about womens rights being taken away or openly support a fascist like trump
>>2248200Fujos, shotacons, and kpop stans aren't the ones voting for trump you retard, it's normie conservative women and nlogs
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>>2248327X formerly known as Twitter. Just search for K-pop/jjk trump supporters and you’ll find the posts
No. 2248351
>>2248333Not everyone you dislike is a moid
>>2248334Is this a hypothetical situation or did this actually happen
>>2248338Female shotacons aren’t the ones advocating for lowering aoc, drawing hyper realistic porn, etc. If they aren’t harming living breathing children who cares.
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>>2248068Boy Plum Puddin is my personal favorite because i had the 80s picture books passed down from my mother, but they should have just split the character with Plum Puddin being the girl one and Plum Pie being her twin brother, ending the gendie nonsense and extending a theme of Pie being a boy name with Huckleberry Pie and the Purple Pieman.
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>>2220128>>2248174>>2248184>>2248183>>2248294>>2248296>>2248297Can somebody explain to me (a person who is not well acquainted with anime/manga) why shotacon and lolicon are morally/ethically different? I've seen shota arguments on here before. To an outside observer (me and other non-anime watchers) both look like little kids. The only women I've seen confident enough to post shota where they can have their name/faces doxxed are gaydens posted to the ftm thread which are used to highlight the autopedophilic nature of that art in. Back in my day a huge horrorcow named Todokaris was posting about her love for shota and tweeting about being a pedophile. Every argument I've had with a moid on the topic of lolicon & it's ethics I have solidly believed they are coping pedos because they're pictures of kids. A picture of a kid is a picture of a kid, and I feel like the ugly man psyop thread and the husbando thread have tried to gaslight me into not making the connection between art of little kids being primarily something a pedophile would like
No. 2248639
Samefag as
>>2248628 buy like
>>2248297>drawings aren't realThat is literally what moids tell me when I argue that loli is an indicator of someone being a pedophile. Of course they're drawings, but what are they drawings of? I can see with my eyes what the drawing is in the same way I can read a story and say "a pedophile wrote this for pedophiles"
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>>2248708>>2248702>>2248700>>2248699Interesting whataboutism going on here. Sure… the character who looks and acts like a child is totally not a child and besides it's totes fictional! So we should just let you goon to little kiddie porn! Oh I meant ""stylized"" porn.
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>>2248671Nah, I’ve seen through that excuse
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>>2248712But that doesnt apply only to shota though. The anime style is so stylized the men look like women and characters like madoka magica often get called children by normoids. The point is that its stylized enough to not resemble realistic people. Pic rel some autist saying madoka looks like a 3yo.
No. 2248763
>>2248758I'm a fujo though, I don't actually want to fuck a shota myself.
>>2248757Fujos are different from yumes.
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>>2247993>animation stylesI know it’s pointless criticizing colorism in this forum but still it’s obvious there was bias in Bumblebee’s redesign. She’s a hero who’s often a side character, but she was changed into this meek, shy main character and along with it they lightened all her features. And it’s not a fault of animation style. They made Catwoman, a thief(and villain in the show), into a sassy black woman with darker skin even when they didn’t have to.
Positive tropes surrounding lightskinned black women and negative tropes surrounding darkskinned black women have existed forever, and this show fell into that cliche. Deny all you want, this show already demonstrated it for you:
No. 2248784
>>2248735SA, I may have just overreacted considering all the realism autist in this thread.
>>2248752People don't see a dead corpse on the road or personally killed someone while we see kids almost all the time. It's like asking if books about riding dragons turns someone into a dragon rider? that's impossible, so we're left with shota being weird simply because the subject is based on a real common thing. Same reason why zoophilia is frowned upon. Now I don't care what someone gets off to given they know they won't act on these urges, but the fact that they go out of there way to consume this stuff might raise a few eyebrows. For me, I don't like seeing shot's sexualized or paired with someone older but I ain't going on crusades to get fujos necked for a fetish, hypocrites and men are.
>>2248776If they're fucking animals and shoving their weird fetishes down people's throats then yes, they suck ass. The fact that literal zoosadist get a slap in the wrist while a girl into sebastionciel is labeled a groomer tells you everything about double standards.
No. 2248795
>>2248752Gore art doesn't make someone a fetishists. Eroguro does. A movie like Spirited Away depicting a tween girl character isn't loli but Made in Abyss is. The difference between the loli/shota argument and the violence argument is that loli and shota are presented in an erotic context so people can consume it for its sexual tones. Someone brought up ciel phantomhive itt, black butler isn't shota despite depicting underage characters, even when they had a blonde antagonist who was depicted as a rape
victim it wasn't done to appeal to pedophiles because it wasn't creaged with the intent to make it sexually enjoyable for pedophiles, whereas shota is
No. 2248802
>>2248795Ok but male ryona is super common here which is specifically fetish content, not to mention that a lot of horror movies (both niche and mainstream) have obvious fetish content in them.
>even when they had a blonde antagonist who was depicted as a rape victim it wasn't done to appeal to pedophiles Nonnie you're smoking crack if you think Kuroshit isn't 99% obvious fetish content.
No. 2248841
>>2248813Slashers could be considered similar to eroguro in a lot of ways, the main one of course being that they are
intentionally sexualised. The Walking Dead is also gore but it's not presented with sexual undertones. This is different between trying to appeal to people's sexualities and not trying to appeal to people's sexualities.
No. 2248847
>>2248628Not a shotafag myself but when it comes on whether fiction affects reality, it's partly whether or not you believe it so, like the placebo affect.
If you teach a child from the moment they are born that killing a character in a videogame is as serious as killing someone in real life, they will internalize that and seriously believe that that's the case. Then they get set free in a world where everyone is killing videogame characters like its no big deal, that's going to fuck with them.
If they then go and start killing, to them they just killed someone real and it was easy, fun, nothing happened. They have the connection that that is real.
So, regardless of what the drawing is of, I think it's a double edged sword to believe that it's as serious and as real as a real child or whatever because as soon as somebody starts thinking the drawing isn't worth any value they'll connect that to real children.
No. 2248859
>>2248851You can guess a fair amount of it by how a movie is filmed though
The woman usually has way more focused put on her running away and the deaths are usually more drawn out while the guy is usually just hit with an axe from behind to kill them off.
No. 2248902
>>2248890I am a nerd but not for anime. I wouldn't be in the random discourse thread if I wasn't a nerd who is interested in fandom discourse. That doesn't change my stance that anime is fags because I'm not interested in fanbase of tims and nonces
>>2248889I'm genuinely surprised to hear that a woman is writing shotacon. Are they a woman or a "woman"?
No. 2248985
>>2248967I've seen way too much disgusting shit about series like Star vs. The forces of Evil, Gravity Falls, Gumball, and Loud House.
No I haven't watched these shows but clearly lolcow screenshots and twitter are enough to show how nonce and child brained you'd have to be to watch these sort of shows.
No. 2249100
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>>2249097It's honestly really fucking weird how you can openly post about how you coom to oneeloli but a sfw meme edit of a character that isnt even a shota gets you redtexted.
No. 2249124
>>2249117Nvm I remembered which one was it. That was probably a juhi vendettafag because kek noone in that comic looks like a child
>>2249097I dont know why you needed to lie about this when its global rules not to post sfw/nsfw lolishit/shotashit unless its related to milk. Also interesting
>>2249100 you chose this because this post was made by a certain sperg that's best forgotten. Shotashitters are the reason for the recent raid too because it was clearly a banned retard trying to rile up shit for no reason
No. 2249133
>>2249124The rules say
>Do not post sexualized art of minorsBut they put an sfw ban on shota in top of that and not on loli. Farmhands are extremely biased when it comes to rule enforcement.
No. 2249146
>>2249129>Why does it matter who posted it? Because theres a certain type of vermin on ins called "
baiters" and you clearly got caught
>>2249133>no sexualised art of minorsRepeating my words back at me wont make your false statement go away. lolishit is banned here unless for proof
No. 2249647
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>>2248764I thought Catwoman being black in that show was a reference to Eartha Kitt.
No. 2249877
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Anyone seen this retarded tweet? She’s not even trying to call that bag an itabag at all, she probably doesn’t even know what it is but little gen alpha retards who just learned what an itabag is last week are attacking her for 0 reason. Then they proceed to quote retweet with their own bags in which most of which look like actual fucking garbage.
https://x.com/croriander/status/1854349601928826930?s=46 No. 2249912
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>>2249877Why are so many westerners so bad at making itabags? They just dump a ton of random merch in the bag with no regards to composition or aesthetic. You don't even need to spend a ton of expensive official merch to make a cute and aesthetic bag, this one is DIY scrapbooked printed manga pages and looks way better than stuff just full of random pins
No. 2249913
>>2249877>white girl itabagswho even feels the need to form a sentence like that? terminal twitterbrain. why do they feel the need to shit on a random woman that doesn't even make itabags (fucking pseud twitterfags), they're so desperate to be "right" and make others look bad
>>2249100the one on the left is in the fetishes you're ashamed of thread, so it's appropriate. I know the ship and I don't even see it as the moid kind of lolishit, it's kinda like Sebastian and Ciel but lesbian esp. when the art looks tasteful and not moidy.
The ban on the right is retarded as fuck but it probably got reported for being found in the wild and the meme is kinda popular with moids. Shouldn't have been banned in the first place tho. The anti-shota bias was there because there were a lot of shotafag bait posts in many threads at the time which is probably why farmhands are more strict with those kinds of posts, meanwhile if someone posts loli porn or says they're a lolicon they'll get banned for being a scrote
No. 2249917
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>>2249877Why do they complain that this is just “white girl ita bags” if they’re just gonna stop at that origin? Why not bitch about Japan using button pins because it originated in the US in the 1800s if they want to be critical on who deserves credit for what. Also sad that they will never experience the joy of being a 2000s scene kid or a hot topic emo and destroying all your bags with shitty bargain pins that would rust and fall off later
No. 2249928
>>2249913samefag, there's also a difference between a thread-appropriate
>I like this specific ship but it's technically a 500 year old loli vampire and her adult maid so I feel bad about itand a random baitpost like
>raping little boys is based, stay mador a pedo post like
>I fantasize about raping my boyfriend when he was 13 years oldSo of course the latter would bet the banhammer first
>>2248752Gore and violence in fiction may not give you a gore fetish but it does desensitize you to violence
No. 2249945
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>>2248068Why did they make her a guy?
No. 2249963
>>2249903Right like, yeah sure the girl’s bag is a little ugly but she’s clearly not even trying to be anything close to an itabag. Most itabags posted in the tweet were exactly as you said with fotm garbage with no real theme which is… the point of itabags. They’re probably gonna toss those bags in like less than a year. Annoys me to no end as someone who loves actually making itabags. Currently making one of one of my favorite characters ever right now and I’ve never seen anyone make a bag for her but I’m off topic here kek.
>>2249912I like this bag but I don’t know if I would call that one an itabag either. At heart an itabag is a display of a collection of merch. This doesn’t have any merch but still this is genuinely a good and cool bag and a good idea for those who are younger who can’t afford merch.
>>2249917Soulful. I love these. There was nothing like destroying your hands by digging through Hot Topic band/emo like pins.
No. 2250080
>>2249945To be fair, her character was originally a male briefly but has been a girl for majority of the run so it's still weird. Anon's suggestion
>>2248394 is great, and if the character designers also changed their race the blue, purple and green colour scheme would look really lovely on a darker skintone. But instead of being creative they just shat out whatever because it's a series that only brain damaged toddlers and mega autists would watch so why should they care.
No. 2250150
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How can you be this smug but also this obvious that you just bought everything at a local con kek.
No. 2250155
>>2250150Literally none of these are cohesive
>Digital Circus>Vivziepop>UndertaleShit taste
No. 2250176
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>>2250155It gets worse the farther down you go
No. 2250177
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>NORMIE GIRL THING=PASSIONLESS, UNCREATIVE, NO LOVE
>NERD GIRL THING=PASSIONATE, CREATIVE, TRUE LOVE
No. 2250201
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>>2249917Those are way better button pins though, bad time for me to bring this up but idrc about itabag discourse, I saw that post earlier and I’ve been needing someone to laugh at the “I LOVE CHLOTHING STORE” and “IM WEARING CHLOTHING” pins with me kek
No. 2250220
>>2248902>Doesn't know what Kuroshitsuji is or what happens in it>Doesn't know who Yana Toboso is and how ridiculously based she is>Still goes yapping her lip like she knew anythingEmbarrassing and cringe, embodies the current Lolcow audience spirit.
>>2248908For fucking real though. Anons who have never watched a proper anime series or read a manga in their lives and only hatescroll cherrypicked screenshots on some r/weebcringe or whatever screaming from the rooftops about how anime is for fagtrannypedos. It's impossible to have a nuanced discussion about anything weeb related because these retards barge in and start throwing their fat ogre asses around over things they have no idea about.
No. 2250272
>>2240217your picrel is extremely retarded but not for the reasons you’re saying
>>2250201>19 soldthere’s no way
No. 2250353
>>2250310With the sudden surge of blatant misogyny around the world in recent years and now the groypers' "your body my choice" campaign I'm pretty sure a lot of traditionally feminist women have had their patience worn thin, including all the female they/he gendies. I see less and less "AFABs" being interested in protecting male tranny feelings and instead being very loud about women's and gay rights because they've realized that there's a very real threat of our bodily autonomy and things like same sex marriage being revoked, there's simply no room for moidtroons pushing the envelope about 4B being "exclusive" or whatever the fuck they're spewing now. A lot of women have also been whispering to each other for years about perverted AGPs bullying them so they're well aware of each others' true feelings and feel more comfortable talking about misogyny without dickhaving trannies barging in to sperg about how much their feelings matter. Also the young and gullible handmaidens who were in their teens in the mid 2010's are now well into their 20's and much less susceptible to this garbage.
tl;dr: we have bigger problems that we need to organize against
No. 2250376
>>2250353>tl;dr: we have bigger problems that we need to organize againstOf course, I'm glad people slhash women are realizing so as well. My TL, both on Twitte and Bsky, have been filled with "protect trans rights!!" ever since the election but sadly barely anything about women's.
We have a long road, but I'm happy to see some women are finally snapping out the "niceness" and openly taling about it, it feels like there's light at the end of the tunel. It will be hard to destroy as it benefit medical care, men and they hide under LGBs, but with all the harm they're doing, maybe we will see it someday.
When it comes to stupid fandom shit (like what I mentioned or genderbends) people have been way more lax lately, maybe they're finally realizing most "transphobic" things are dumb. Hopefully they continue with that train of thought and finally admid the trans cult makes no sense.
No. 2250441
>>2250310How many followers do you have and what demographic are they? This makes me kinda hopeful but it could just be selection bias, the side of Twitter I'm on would still definitely fry you for it
>>2250376>genderbends are transphobicThe fact that this ever got the traction it did was fucking retarded. I'm glad people are normal about it now but no one wants to call out how deranged troons were about it, they just sweep it under the rug and pretend that era of fandom never happened which id my issue. And if you bring it up people would most definitely call you transphobic or be accused of trying to blame problems on troons/sowing discourse
No. 2250513
>>2250441Over Twitter 600-something, not many. I got a mix, some are gooners because I draw pinups, but most of my mutuals are either a flavor of trans/nb or supporters. It surprised me some of the people who liked it were trans themselves.
I have seen more and more people speaking out in favor of womens' rights though, it makes me glad things might be changing.
>>2250497Pretty much because for male->female they give the characters boobs and the reverse, with means "associating a gender with a certain set of genitals and/or secondary sex characteristics" thus "Reinforcing cisnormativity". AKA being a sane person, complete retardation.
People also tried to call them "cis-swaps" for a short while to circunvent trannies' train of thought kek
No. 2251222
>>2250497basically
>>2250513 and also the fact that it “assumes the characters are cis”. which is just them getting mad when others don’t agree with their delusions
No. 2251861
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No. 2251973
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Any nonnies who have fandom accounts on both twitter and bluesky? I'm curious how the fandom culture and the userbase differs across these 2 platforms. I hate Twitter with its shitty ads as any other person, but I feel unsure when my friends encourage me to make a bluesky account. From what I can see from my fandom, it was mostly super woke TRAs and gendies that lead the exodus, and I don't want to be in a social media where the ratio of such people might be even worse than Twitter. I used to have cringe hentai style fanart for my fandom pop up on my "for you" page on twitter, and I'm hearing a couple bluesky users complain that they are facing something similar there too (r34 art showing up in the discover section). I don't see any point in moving
No. 2252070
>>2249877Is this why that fat UK weeb made a video
On itabags? God, I can’t take another round of retards knowing wtf they’re talking about and causing drama because of it.
No. 2252118
>>2251973>>2251973Bluesky is what you make it to be. The "For you" page sucks, so what you will see 70% of the time is the content from the people you follow since you won't move much from that tab. It has NSFW filters that actually work, so you won't see that kind of content unless you go out of your way to disable the safe filters. It has been a pretty nice experience thanks to that, I don't like following combative people so the amount of rage bait and stupid people on my TL is non-existent now.
I still check Twitter from time to time as not every asian artist has moved to Bsky, but I pretty much only post there now.
As more people join Bsky, I guess the peacefulness will slowly fade away though. Isn't like people have changed their mentality, it's just that most annoying people only post over Twitter because they get more traction there.
No. 2252149
>>2252118luckily theres an built in block chain you can use on bsky to filter out the undesirables, it has been super useful weeding out annoying discourse children and its funny to watch them mald about getting added on the lists and being blocked by people who actually create content; cant have your cake and eat it retards.
though, its a bit annoying that posts made from the blocked account still show up on the fyp unless you manually remove it so i hope it gets changed if they ever do a block/mute overhaul.
No. 2252153
>>2252149>its a bit annoying that posts made from the blocked account still show up on the fypReally? That's really weird, maybe the FYP page works different but blocked accounts don't show to me in any feed (at least in PC, I don't use the app).
I found Bluesky's block system pretty harsh in general, unlike Twitter you can't click to view the tweet or account of the people you blocked, which sometimes makes it annoying because you can't see the original post if someone qrt it.
No. 2252174
>>2252153atyrt, its only the post that shows up on your fyp if you block the account from that post, otherwise you wont see any of their other content on other feeds. Its just annoying having that one post still be there especially if its softcore coomer furry art that bypasses the nsfw filters (inb4 the fyp is curated to your followers, I have it set to follow art so anything tagged as art shows up, including mediocre coomer art unfortunately)
i also dislike that you have to click onto the account in order to block rather than block directly from the post which you can do on twitter
No. 2252493
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>>2248294>Female shotacons: doesn't molest IRL childrenJulia Vickerman got fired because she was stupid enough to post picrel Tumblr. Granted, she didn't molest him nor draw him, but that comment raised tons of red flags and it was her own fault.
No. 2252524
>>2252153There are list with people that have right wing posts, so you can, instead to subscribe them, mass blocking them. Same with AI or NTF artists.
Though I still keep my Twitter account because is private and I can fangirl or post photos in there. I wish Blue Sky can add that feature too.
No. 2252590
>>2252493God that's retarded.
Outside the whole shotacon talk, in general I would say it's thr 70-30 rule, when it comes to men 70% are degenerates and 30% more or less sane, meanwhile with women it's the opposite, 70% are sane while 30% should be in jail.
Men have a higher tendency to try act their fantasies on real life while women are better at keeping it fictional (and often they only like it when its fictional), so it's nornal to be more wary of one group than the other.
Both are gross though.
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Unpopular opinion but love and deepspace is the same run of the mill, safe horny otome game that does nothing to deviate from the status quo besides having high production values. Still the same case of women getting pretty, elaborate, oftentimes revealing designs when men get generic fully clothed suits in boring clothes that don't even accentuate his bodyparts. And now because this game is so popular, this shitty trend is gonna continue. I fucking hate the women who meme'd suits into being considered sexiest, this is all your fucking fault.
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>>2252493>Julia Vickerman got fired because she was stupid enough to post picrel Tumblr. Vickerman got fired because she was sexually harassing her co-workers and they sued her, the internet posts were unsurfaced after.
>>2252633The male main characters she made for her show kind of match the creepy posts about boys "her type". But maybe it's a reach.
No. 2252688
>>2252624Eh, there's a variety of outfits.
If you want more conservative outfits for the female character and more revealing for male then that's the type of thing that's voted with money and log ins.
The game is still fairly young, the players make their choice. By throwing it off, you're making yours.
No. 2252744
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>>2252701>Syles*Sylus
Also look at this shit and tell me what's so "safe horny" about it. If what you want is to make moids seethe, they're already doing that en-masse because this game became popular, in case you've been living under a rock. It ain't perfect but it's better than most otome games by far
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>>2252666Based
>>2252688There's not a variety of outfits, all of them look the same.
>that's the type of thing that's voted with money and log ins.So most women are pathetic morons who still center themselves even in their sexual fantasies? Pathetic
>>2252701>You only shit on other women's taste because they don't intentionally meme slutty outfits and shotashit to "get even" with scrotesYou say this like women liking sexually appealing men with outfits that showcase their figure is somehow getting even with scrotes. Maybe some women such as myself don't want to see the same 3 outfits while moid targeted gacha get women in elaborate and revealing clothing? Tell me, are Nikke characters "intentionally meme slutty outfits"?
>but I don't want to see the men wearing lingerie 24/7Tell me you're asexual without telling me you're asexual.
>Syles often appears shirtless, there was that event where they were all in a silk robe,So? Men in battle shounen series appear shirtless. I want men in tight pants, g strings, crop tops, etc.
>>2252744LaD is still very safe horny with how it dresses its male characters. Of course I'm gonna find these outfits fucking lame, it's dull clothing you see in everyday life that doesn't even accentuate the figure. Not every woman who wants guys in sexy outfits is doing it to own the moids, in fact YOU think this because you're so not used to seeing moids as the object of a fantasy that to you it registers as alien, and there must be a reason for women doing this that isn't just their heterosexuality being healthy. It's fucking weird, I've literally been accused of being bi/lesbian because of this. This is why I can't with otomefags; you are all ridiculously pro status quo and weirdly detest the male body. I'm sorry I actually want a change instead of women getting crammed the same boring looking outfits down their throats for the past centuries while even in female targeted works women are put in slutwear.
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>>2252756Suits are good when they accentuate the ass, crotch, and pecs, but other than that I agree with you. It's pathetic how a game centered around sexy men barely puts in effort to sexualize them. It's even worse because papergames developed the nikki games as well, so they already know how to make nice outfits but refuse to give them to make characters. I guess it's because some women are still in that cucked mindset where they think intentionally sexualized men are fags.
No. 2252780
>>2252756>Not every woman who wants guys in sexy outfits is doing it to own the moidsI never implied this, I only said that YOU want women to share your taste only because you want to own the moids. Sorry that you lack reading comprehension, explains why you sperg out so much at something as trivial as women liking men in elegant clothes
Also in the otome thread just a few minutes ago you said
>scrote gachas have women in colorful, fun, slutty outfitsAre you really defending those as good sexy designs? They look retarded to the average normal person, not sexy. Sorry that not all women have the same fucked up aesthetic sensibilities of your average pornsick neckbeard, I guess. And no, I'm not arguing that women shouldn't want to see men in sexy slutty outfits, I'm spelling it out for you because I know you lack the reading comprehension to not put unrelated words in people's mouths. You're always accusing those who disagree with you or dare correct you of the wildest shit they never even implied
No. 2253065
>>2252992Embrace the corny.
It only seems that way because people aren't used to it. If you really think about it bikini thongs, stiletto boots, and other female fanservice outfits look absolutely ridiculous.
No. 2254329
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>>2241842>I seriously cannot stomach the game's premise for essentially being 4 men and a woman in a death scenario to even give it a shotIt is that grim. I loved it, but couldn't blame anyone if they decided not to play it. Spoilers but
the only woman is raped and then impregnated by one of the characters, while the others are either unaware of it at best, or deliberately ignorant at worst. The consequences of men shielding other men's abusive behavior from accountability is basically the main conflict of the game. There are no graphic scenes about it but it's heavily implied throughout, and one of my biggest issues with the fandom is that even if they
almost performatively condemn the abuser, they still refuse to address the subject matter seriously.
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>>2253057She probably doesn't even play the game kek
>>2254337Some anons going "SYLUS SEXO" while others are like "THIS IS SO UGLY MAN PSYOP WTF WOMEN ARE SO CUCKED!!!1" in the same thread will never not be funny to me
It just goes to show how this is clearly just a matter of taste and not objective fact and how everybody just needs to calm the fuck down
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>>2253771Watch anons rip you apart for even suggesting that guy in the video is hot kek, I don't usually like K-pop looks either and don't even like the L&DS guys' bodies that much because it looks a bit too uncanny (except for Sylus maybe), but aside from that I find them attractive. But it's totally fine to disagree and have your own male body ideal, as long as you don't pretend only you are right and everyone else is wrong. Anyone who does that is an absolute retard looking for an infight. Fwiw I like the guy you posted too.
No. 2254544
>>2252780>liking men in elegant clothesyou mean boring and plain??
Even the fucking FL has more revealing and interesting outfits but all we get is men in suits ffs
No. 2254769
>>2254746Nta but they're drawings.
You can make one right now in a couple of minutes.
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Do we need the same infight over and over again? Reread what has already been said countless times and come back with something new to say at least
No. 2254904
>>2254849Drawings of cartoon characters.
If you see cartoon characters and equate them to real people then animation must terrify you.
No. 2255634
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the fandom characterisation of luka and hyuna is fucking bizarre to me.
like she's conically SCAREDD of him and she's not even all that masculine she's just a alt cool girl type, I almost feel the "malewife" trope given to him and other male characters like him is just hide their misogynistic nature, making the female victim look like a "girlboss" is done for creating an illusion of gender-bending
No. 2255647
>>2255634The virgin xitter casual
>Unfunny trannoid jokes>Misogynist victim blaming undertones>Still manages to degrade the woman by reducing her to an archetype who must "take responsibility" for the male>Cannot conceive of a dynamic that isn't gender roles>Male character's actions are handwaved with WORDSWORDSWORDS>Snorts copium like it's life supportThe Stacey ryonafag
>Knows the male character is a shithead>Draws him in a blender No. 2255688
>>2241842I'm a fujo so I'm like 'Anya's cute enough but I'd rather see fanart of Curly and Jimmy fucking'
Sorry if that bothers you for whatever reason.
No. 2255731
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>>2255634people treat hyuna more like a sex object than a character and they know that and are insecure about it, it's like
>"oh no I think about her outside of her relationship with luka!” and then it’s exclusively nsfwpicrel
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>>2255634the fandom retards are a lot like the retards in vidrel, obsessed with the presentation of gender, desperate to be considered queer, but in the end it's just a straight ship, but those in fandom go even beyond this and will change actual biology, but even then, they almost always end up recreating heterosexuality with extra steps
No. 2255917
>>2255731>Only black woman>The character is a slightly tanned Asian I genuinely want to cry reading braindead takes like this because I don't even know if it's some retard right wing troll baiting or is someone actually this schizo level detached from reality. Either way it has to be some kind of intentional compulsive need for attention through controversy.
>>2255634Even the people who claim to be all about female characters only treat them as some flavor of sex objects. I think back to that "describe the female character without using the words girlboss/queen/any variation of mother/sexuality" tweet a lot.
No. 2255944
>>2255890>The thing is, I'm not attacking you. I'm not denying what you're looking at isn't real. I just wish you'd be honest>this backtrackNow who isn't being honest? If anything, isn't this worse?
You're saying "it's okay but I think you're a pedophile, not attacking you but you should admit to being a pedophile,
not that there's anything wrong with being one. No. 2255963
>>2255944I think you've misunderstood or I didn't write my post clearly. I'm sorry. I'm talking about the anons in here who are saying shota isn't shota and shota isn't drawings of little boys. That to me is what's super retarded and what I was focused on. You can't just say the clearly pedophilic porn isn't pedophilic porn. Though, since you bring it up I can say how I feel about the consumers of that stuff. Anons here who look at shota have low pedophilic tendencies that they refuse to acknowledge hence the aforementioned excuse. Yes, there's the disconnect of fictional stylization to what is supposed to be represented but the mere fact that what is supposed to be represented being a child or child-like aesthetics is what makes it pedophilic in nature. All around, it's just gross and morally questionable. While it isn't real which makes it
technically fine, it's still fucked and weirds me out.
>>2255959Wait, is shota not porn of fictional little boys like loli is of little girls?
No. 2255986
>>2255963>While it isn't real which makes it technically fine, it's still fucked and weirds me out.But earlier you said that it was
just something weird that people should just admit to, nbd. Saying this about what you admit you consider to be
pedophilic seems much more fucked up and weird.
Like wtf is "low pedo tendencies"?
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>>2255963>um acktually the little boy being raped isnt a boy but a drawing! so its ok for me to goon off it! what do you mean if i get sexually aroused by it?? ITS NOT REAL but loli definitely so tell me why is it always found in pedophile hardrives when they get raided,there wont and never will be a virtuous pedophile regardless of gender offending and non offending, no ones fooled here pedofag
No. 2255998
>>2255986It's both. It's something weird people should admit to rather than hiding behind thirteen different excuses and it also weirds me out deeply. What I mean is that I'm tired of seeing these weird excuses for not calling shota what it is, or saying it isn't what it is.
>Like wtf is "low pedo tendencies"?What I meant by that is they're exhibiting pedo tendencies by looking at weird porn of little anime boys getting it on older guys but aren't full blown pedophiles who collect real pictures of children like
>>2252493.
No. 2255999
So it's OK for women to like lolis?
>>2255994Well, it's not
No. 2256001
>>2255999>So it's OK for women to like lolis?Yes.
>Well, it's notThat's just like, your opinion.
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>>2255842Read the image, the “she gets him pregnant” jokes has been the fanbase’s only joke for her for fucking months, and they turn her into a daddy alpha dom top because they see her as a sex object for their favorite evil prettyboy. They basically equate her to a man just because she’s not a hyperfeminine moeblob. They constantly erase her original personality, feelings, and trauma in the process. And some of these people even say “I imagine she gets him pregnant as revenge for him being a jerk” It’s all always been misogyny.
>>2255634The mischaracterization of Hyuna is straight up because these fans don’t care about her, she’s just someone to project stupid memes/tropes/fetishes on in favor of the characters they actually like.
They can’t fathom her being someone with a personality outside of “tough confident girlboss”, with internal struggles and a vulnerable side, even though it’s right in front of their faces. Anyone with a brain can see she’s traumatized by him.
Him being 3 years older than her doesn’t seem much as adults, but makes it even more obvious that he was creeping on her when they were kids/teens. The art book even confirmed he was trying to be aggressive when he forced himself on her. In case a Lukafag sees this, yes I know he was an abused kid, doesn’t change what he did to her and her brother. Moids should get over it lol, instead of taking it out on younger girls.Hyuna’s video focusing on her character always had the least views, and it looks like the latest video will surpass that too. She’s the least popular character(if a xwitter fan poll indicates anything lol, but it’s not surprising because she’s up against prettyboys, yaoi, and cute anime girl yuri) so I’m not surprised that majority of the fandom has a shallow view of her. It’s easy for them to jump to dommy girlboss memes than try to understand a female character. I just block them all and follow Hyuna fans, no value in seeing more people regurgitate the same dumb jokes ad infinitum.
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No. 2256061
Here's a question for the pro-shota nonnies: furries who collect/commission cub content are collecting drawings of animals. Can you identify a reason why furries, who are notorious for pedophilic behaviour such as grooming and in many well documented cases actually abusing children/young animals, can be identified as dangerous when they are collecting such art? Is it just a drawing? What is it a drawing of? Is it different because it's not anime/manga?
>>2256009You're not old enough to remember Todokaras
>>2255993>so tell me why is it always found in pedophile hard drivesBecause shota is pedoshit
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Kek
No. 2256067
>>2256061Shotastacies are just built different when compared to animal fuckers.
>>2256063Waifufag guys just pull the '3D pig disgusting slut' card.
No. 2256072
>>2256061They coomed themselves into seeing it as basically the real thing.
It looks so easy in cartoons, and what is a cartoon is not basically real? Why not try and do it irl too.
They personify animals with the personalities they see in cartoons, they set themselves up with identities of animals. Because, reality and fiction are the same thing to them. When that is the case then reality has no more value.
No. 2256089
>>2256085A British demon summoner?
True, irl that's a pretty fucked up thing to be.
No. 2256092
>>2256088That's not what I said at all kek, I'm saying that I don't get people who moralfag on a gossip/bullying site.
It's on the same wavelength as when scrotes on kiwifarms larp as Christfags.
No. 2256101
>>2256093>I'm saying shota represents a fictional imageOkay, end of argument then.
Not like anything said here will actually change anything, tbh. Unless you want fictional images to be regulated, it's better to distance the connection between fictional and reality to prevent shit like
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>>2256095atleast im not on a list banning me to be near children kekkkk
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>>2256081>hairless prepubescent kids are for pedophiles>defending people who like hairless prepubescent kidsTsk tsk nonna c'mon now nonna, don't give up, you're so close to connecting the dots
No. 2256112
>>2256089He's a demon summoner British
child. It's a biiig part of his character that is highlighted constantly
No. 2256135
>>22561260/10 effort troll, moid hands wrote this
>>2256127>goes on imageboards>assumes everyone on imageboards watches anime to cope (I don't)>Has zero argument against being a pedophile who shlicks to drawings of little boys like a tranny so she has to accuse everyone of watching anime and being just as badJust take the L at this point, pedofags. You're embarrassing yourselves
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Real question, what happens if your shota is canonically 20?
No. 2256143
>>2256136Should add
actually real fr fr children since now there has to be a fucking distinction made in case someone "abused" some art they posted on twitter.
No. 2256145
>>2256135>assumes everyone on imageboards watches anime to copeThen gtfo to facebook you fuckin normie.
>so she has to accuse everyone of watching anime and being just as badAnime panders to what you call pedophiles pretty much every season, so wouldn't you also be a pedophile by partaking in watching it by your logic?
No. 2256154
>>2256145>Then gtfo to facebook you fuckin normie. Bitch you need to GTFO back to reddit KEK this isn't even an anime board you retarded pedo
>Anime panders to what you call pedophiles pretty much every season, so wouldn't you also be a pedophile by partaking in watching it by your logic?How does that counter any of my arguments at all? I don't watch anime, and I do agree it's pedophilic sexist slop for hopeless autists who are never making it out in real life. Nonetheless, a normie who watches shonen shit without thinking too much about it isn't nearly as bad as a shotafag
No. 2256161
>>2256154>this isn't even an anime board you retarded pedoAll imageboards are weebshit whether you like it or not.
All the annoying tradthots posting lately need to ingrate honestly.
No. 2256173
>>2256146That doesn't mean that the term isn't sexual, it just means that the Japanese don't see anything wrong with using a sexual/porn category to describe a child. Honey senpai also got called a shota constantly in OHSHC and he wasn't sexualized at all, if anything he was meant to be moe, but it's clear the author was aware of the sexual connotations of the term when she made yaoi jokes about it.
>>2256153>Wake me up when moids are pickmemaxxing by wearing whatever the male equivalent of mezzo piano is and shaving their full bodies and applying creams to look perpetually like teens.Wake up, nonna. Trannies exist.
>>2256158No, it's not "animu" and I don't give a shit about the format kek what a reach. So many things about LC are based on 4chan yet we don't act like them, do we? Honestly just stay in 4chan if you wanna shlick it to children's micropenises so bad, plenty of faggots there to accept your pedophilia
>>2256161>Anyone who isn't a pedophile like m is a tradthot Go back to 4chan
No. 2256182
>>2256177You're pulling a 'never making it out in real life' while posting in a thread where we complain about troons and annoying people in fandoms kek.
Like, I fully accept that I'm a smelly fujoshi I just hate hypocritical tradthots such as yourself.
No. 2256183
>>2256173Usuually there's a difference when they use "shota/loli" and "child".
If it's not meant to be taken seriously they use the former. If it's meant to be a serious issue in the story, the latter.
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>>2256099>It doesn't, it's just a bishie manlet. Again asuka and rei are the same age as ciel and they arent lolis.Wait, is that what this is all about? I made
>>2255963 because I thought Anons were arguing over how right pic related isn't shota. Shinji is only a "shota" by technicality of being fourteen but if a woman is masturbating to Shinji Akari x Kaworu Nagisa yaoi she's in no way fucking weird in the slightest because Shinji at best looks like a young twink not child-like in the slightest. You'd be severely pedantic and nitpicky to claim otherwise. Same goes for Ciel too as he looks like crippled twink with dwarfism. I really think it's only weird and gross to the point where it's questionable if, and only if, the character you're getting your jollies from looks, acts, and is meant to be a child through and through.
No. 2256187
>>2256182>Anyone who's not a pedophile like me is a tradthot Get a new insult already, I told you to go back to 4chan, autist. Also kekking at
>I'm just le wholesome stinky fujofag!!!…Who happens to shlick it to little boys genitals.
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>>2256189Can you go shower already instead of repeating how much of le stinky wholesome chungus fujofag you are? I'm actually leagues above pedos who jerk it to drawings of children, actually. And I also shower
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>>2256154> Nonetheless, a normie who watches shonen shit without thinking too much about it isn't nearly as bad as a shotafagNot only does the most popular shonenshit anime has a 14 yo whos constanly showing her panties and being sexually harassed by an old man, but it has this monstrosity of a character thats a loli in a micro bikini.
No. 2256218
>>2256208Pro-tip: we're all tired of you, not just shotafags. /you're annoying and just make discussion of any kind impossible. You ruined the anime threads for
everybody, not just shotafags.
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tangentially related, but wasn't Kieran top of some yumeship stuff in Japan for a few months (dethroning Rika)
No. 2256292
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>>2256041Yeah, it was this one. Even for a fandom who loves moids I’m disappointed in their taste kek. I liked Cure, but I would never place Ivan anywhere near first place, he’s the most boring moid personality-wise and has the most boring design, he looks like generic korean webtoon boy #92792473. Luka at least is more interesting and Till is more endearing. Ivan’s claim to fame is being an angsty gay dude hopelessly in love with and dying for a straight dude. Which I get would appeal to fandoms, but meh.
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>>2256240Nevermind, he actually did dethrone Rika in a more recent popularity poll and got a piece of merch as a result but he was also in the top 5 of the 2023 yumejo poll.
No. 2256350
>>2256292I haven't watched a lot of it, but isn't Ivan's deal being pushy gay to Till?
I've found desperate, sometimes almost pathetic, seme are popular nowadays.
No. 2256451
>>2255634I knew this was going to happen from the moment idiots started calling her a super duper butch gnc woman for having thick eyebrows and a metal leg. How gendies and troons manage to take the trophy every time when it comes to gender roles and misogynistic bullshittery is entirely to be expected, and yet they still want pats on the back for being subversive. Hyuna is only slightly out of the mold. No wonder female characters are so fucked. Actual invested readings of a character are for yaoi prettyboys and moeblobs if they're lucky.
I'm not asking anyone to automatically kneel before every female character (much less if you're a straight woman) but excuse me for thinking people who regurgitate surface level girlboss mommydom and other shit tropes reveal ulterior motives
>>2255731>cool woman with dark angular features and prosthetic leg who leads a resistance group and regularly shows moments of fear, vulnerability, and care for others>reduced to one note "brash badass" >so progressive it wraps around to being racistkek. truly the most brain melting character for gendies yet. A woman who doesn't look like a moeblob that isn't a gendie or a TIM
No. 2256483
>>2256479Normies are watching worse stuff, actual real porn with trafficked
victims.
No. 2256494
>>2256486It's worthless to try to discuss with you because you are dead set in thinking the cartoons with insane physics defying hair, inhumane proportions and
toxic eye and hair colors equal a real child. Bet you think murders in movies equal murders irl.
No. 2256535
>>2256518No I don't think that either. I don't think that counts as shota either. I meant in the case of someone who looks at shota that is meant to look, act and is meant to be a young child.
>>2256522I'm not saying they're pedophiles either, I just think if you masturbate to shotacon where the character is meant to be a young child it's at the very least indicative of pedophilic tendencies. Which, to me at least, as long as it's kept to pen and paper there's nothing inherently wrong with that. I don't see why it's such a problem to be aware of such a thing.
No. 2256545
Idk. There's a reason why topics such as shota, loli, etc. make the average person rightfully uncomfortable. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why most people don't want to see a child being depicted in such a way, even if it's ficitonal. And as much as some of you scream and cry about it "not being real," or your interests "not equating to real life" I hate to break it to ya, but you're still a weirdo that gets off to fictional kids. Like how else do you think I, or anyone else for that matter, is supposed to respond to that? I suppose the more "tolerant" thing would be to block, ignore, and leave it be, but I also don't blame people for telling you all to fuck off.
No. 2256550
>>2256545The problem is that other depictions of
problematic things dont make you uncomfortable, it's hypocritical. You wouldnt sperg at murders in horror movies.
No. 2256559
>>2256544I never noticed, thanks!
>>2256552>It'll just never make sense to me why people refuse to engage with the source material of something they're in fandom of.That's what makes me so angry. I don't even think this phenomenon is exclusive to comics either. It feels like fandom spaces are just full of people that refuse to engage with the source material at all. They just absorb all their knowledge through fanon osmosis. It's embarrassing.
No. 2256594
>>2256590What are you talking about. I mostly read manga, but I have watched anime here and there.
>Go watch your normie crap with women getting metoo'd to get a role.What.
No. 2256682
>>2256467The skeletons in his closet are that he is French.
But jokes aside, I always have the same question. This dude has probably made dozens of these "me when I'm a heckin chungus wholesome porn artist" things through the years, but I don't remember him ever making any lewd stuff himself?? He even made a thing once about how "waah sfw artists get more attention for doing nsfw art than nsfw artists for doing sfw art, will nobody think of the epic wholesome porn artists?" which is a weirdly specific non-issue to cry about. It's a really weird for someone that doesn't even draw porn to be this interested in how online people treat online porn artists.
Does he have a porn account that I've never heard of?
>>2256471Tinfoil that he does this so that the online furry porn artists are so grateful for him whiteknighting them that they'll let him suck their dicks.
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>>2256670it intrigues me how sports seems to have a high amount of rpf shippers into it and I find it funny since sports are mostly male dominated hobbies that have the worst and most violent moid archetypes into it. I think the men are too ugly to find hot enough to sexualize but kudos to the women who make graphic content of them; moids should not be exempt from sexual harassment actresses face on a daily basis.
>>2256682he does have a lot of furry barafag orbiters so I think hes staying on their good grace so he gets free art out of it. or maybe hes just french and hes degenerate by nature kek
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>>2256709chinese artists make pretty damn decent artwork of sports moid youd forget they were originally 3dpds
No. 2256820
>>2256531Fandoms with multiple continuities can be so hit-and-miss when it comes to either keeping conts straight or blending them– some seem to be better at understanding fan content is where concepts from multiple continuities can be stitched together (and will usually tell you what parts they're taking/leaving/swapping out), while others assume everything is true in each canon all at once, making discussion an absolute nightmare. Gets even worse when the latter is combined with the type of 'fans' who have never read/watched a complete story and just run on their perception of characters that's based off of random snippets from random continuities that they've seen bandied around on social media.
I know they can be confusing to get into at first with how books work and disruptive gimmicks like crossover events etc, but comics are such a low-effort medium to consume and yet so many people claiming to be fans can't seem to muster the 10 minutes of attention required to even skim an issue. Baffling.
No. 2256881
>>2256670>>2256714I think it's weird, sorry.
>>2256820Has comics fandom ever been good? Hasn't it always been notorious for being shit?
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>>2255917wokie fandomtards genuinely believe any character with a slight-tan is automatically non-white
No. 2257136
>>2256881>Has comics fandom ever been good? Hasn't it always been notorious for being shit?it might just be nostalgia talking, but imo it was a lot more fun (genuine?) before films based on comics became super mainstream/popular or the 'nerd chic' trend during the 2010s. Also it's very dependent on the comic itself, even within larger umbrellas like Marvel or DC, different runs will have fandoms that feel and behave differently to each other or the larger fandom that surrounds them
>>2256670if it were just people sexualising them I wouldn't think much of it, I guess, but rpf always seems to spiral out of control in a way that regular fandom rarely does. it is kinda skeevy though imo to apply kink shit to real living people/their relationships, for example that Taylor Swift one that got some attention a while ago. I also struggle to understand how divorced some rpf stuff is from the real persons in question kek, like it'll be some averagely handsome sportsplayer man but buried under ten layers of poetic tattoos, smoking habits, piercings, daddy dom shit, mafia boss, general crime, 2deep4u edgy nonsense with a side order of loss of agency on the self-insert's part. maybe I'm the sped though for not being able to see how point a leads organically to b kek
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>>2257159i would ´t call hamiltonfags genuine historyfags since the musical is historically inaccurate but yeah historical rpf fandom is the best. unhinged in the best way and a lot of really talented and dedicated people. i follow age of sail, frev and napoleonic people and the fanart and fic are better than in most fandoms.
No. 2257263
>>2257181NTA, there are people who are Hamiltonfags for the real guy, American history has a lot of rpf
>>2257262This
No. 2257280
>>2257272the only people who ever write about the
>imagined lives and SEXUALITY of famous figures would have been 90% gay pedophiles
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speaking of moid delusion
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>>2257159Based. For me, it’s Mary Renault’s Alexander trilogy. The first (and best) ever lesbian fujo
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>>2257169>>2257181You Nonas misread my point entirely, I meant to say that all the good RPF content is hiding BEHIND the dung pile of Frev and Hamilfag slop. I would never compliment a burger or a frog if my life depended on it.
>>2257204Come oooooon nona, nothing wrong with shipping a war criminal or two! You’d just know they’d be writhing in their graves watching you sketch them giving their mortal enemy the sloppiest head in history x
>>2257262And this! Historical RPF is nothing new, it’s just a modern term to describe an autistic level genre of fiction that’s been going strong for as long as we could bring pen to paper or communicate via spoken word.
>>2257265‘Troon logic’? Even the majority of mainstream historical biographies occasionally spiral off on tangents elaborating on little clues within a person’s life to create an interesting narrative that draws in the reader. So unless you’d call a stuffy academic holed up in his or her study, obsessing over the little details of a 400 year old monarch’s favourite foods ‘troon logic’ then I’m happy to write this one off as bait.
>>2257286Now THIS is pure, unadulterated troon logic, kek.
>>2257309Will give it a try, thanks nona.
No. 2257355
>>2257335yeah tbh I haven't met a normie db/dbz enjoyer out in the wild yet who even registered the earlier horny aspects of the series or, if it did somehow come up in conversation, found them uncomfortable at best (hell, if they do find any of the characters hot it's usually adult Bulma and Android 18, and very few of them even watched db and so aren't really familiar with the main cast being younger/kids anyway). Most people my age where I am grew up with dbz as a morning cartoon when they were like six or something and consider it as being in the same ballpark as pokemon or digimon etc, they just think its cool and fun and enjoy its silly power escalation. Normie fans are very different to actual otaku, even the ones who obsess over a given battle shounen, and ime tend to find other anime, even completely tame stuff, a bit off-putting. They're loyal and interested in the one show, not all anime.
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she's absolutely right
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>>2256466There was a guy who made anti child molestation animations for kids in third world countries (so they're pretty hilarious and feature the kids saying fuck and aids)
Aaaand he turned out to rape kids
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>>2257204RPF is turbo cringe unless its done in the way shit like fate is done, where they are so moefied they look more like a mockery of the real thing rather than an endorsement. My problem with RPFags is that they are annoying pickmes treating their ugly 3DPD moids like husbandos, especially when all of them were def pedos and misogynist due to the time they were born in.
No. 2257501
>>2257499I think they just put kids they found on the street in a room and showed it to them
>>2257500You have a barbacue.
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>>2257511Same set up different outcome
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>>2257519Maybe they self insert as the kid he's talking to instead?
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>>2257545Yup.
I thought the movie was pretty on par with the first one, both are like 5/10s, I think moids were just mad that it was a musical and it made Joker more appealing to yumes in a relatable victim way over a 'le society' way that they prefer No. 2257552
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>>2257549And also he kisses a guy at the beginning of the movie.
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I hate how horrible the indie animation fandom is. Everything they make is so devoid of creativity. Either boring SOL crap or 3edgy5u wannabe deep and edgy cartoons written by people that think the fnaf lore is deep
No. 2257596
>>22575424chan got so mindbroken over the rape scene they even made a general about it kek
And those are the same retards who won't bat an eye at shit like Irreversible, but suddendly an off-screen scene is too much for them
>>2257549The first movie was not that good tbh aside from cinematography, and Todd Phillips is a pretentious bastard that purposely sabotaged this movie (no screen-testing, inflated the budget by shooting on L.A., refusing to take advice) because he hated his audience, but in the end everyone got what they deserved kek
Incels are mad because their revenge fantasy spat on their faces, the movie is hated by critics which must be hurting Todd Phillips' ego and Warner Bros lost a lot of money because nobody bothered to tard-wrangle Phillips
No. 2257603
>>2257596As the one nona on earth who specifically has rape fantasies about Joker (with him as the
victim) you have watered my flowers, puffed up my pillows and made my day by letting me know of this scene’s existence. Wish they allowed cute emoticons on here but you are free to imagine me sprinking kawaii unicode faces all over this post.
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>>2257603Who's raping him in your fantasies though?
Himself? No. 2257633
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>>2234433You weren't kidding, because like 1/3rd of the replies and qrts to picrel were about hyuna and luka. It's almost bizarre how much they fetishize the most heterosexual thing you can imagine, but are unwilling to accept the reality. It's no wonder they troon out
https://x.com/itsjustfoku/status/1856299265280139472/quotes No. 2257657
>>2257648Eh, say what you will about Vivzie's stuff but even in the youtube stuff she does she gets pretty good voice actors.
I think most animation coming out nowadays is pretty boring though.
No. 2257663
>>2257533>>2257537Berserk isn't a good example imo because yeah the story tells you these men get rated but the only rapes that are fully showed with spread pages and even sexualized are the ones targeting women. They don't care and even joke about it because their favourite male chads didn't get explicitly humiliated.
>>2257542Versus here where their favourite sigma male is actually shown kissing a man and his rape scene is not fully shown but heavily implied (iirc you see the guards holding him down and making comments and then he's shown with his pants down or without them being dragged away). It's funny because Joker 2 is really a mid movie like the first, but the first coddled the loser incels dreaming about revenge on le society while this one shows how miserable and mentally ill they really are.
No. 2257667
>>2257662Agreed.
>>2257663I think it's also important to note that it happened to Guts as a child instead of an adult, I feel like had it been when he was already considered a 'badass adult' they would have been way more pissed.
No. 2257676
>>2257643I think the story is fine it's just not enough content for a series. It seems like something that should be a movie or a 6 episode mini series at best. When it's presented as a comic people forgive a lot because the art is so beautiful. In animation though a lot of that beauty gets lost and the decision to tell the story as a
series instead of a film affects the pacing of the story. There's not a whole lot is there?
No. 2257680
>>2257671I don't like Vivzie's stuff but she's eked out good production values given her budget and like you said it 'feels unique'. Nothing she's putting out is wholly original but it is tastes and aesthetics that have mostly existed online while Vivzie is throwing actual money to convert those aesthetics into a cartoon. I think she gets too much hate as a creator/person.
I think Tracy just isn't a good judge of voice performance quality but I also think her tastes are kind of dated so they don't sound as good to modern ears.
No. 2257685
>>2257679I wonder if maybe it would have been better for Tracy to release her story as a Visual Novel. People forgive a lot when it comes to VN artwork, she could reuse backgrounds and sprites and use more written text to convey thoughts and actions. VNs can vary from 'books with some illustrations' to more like 'motion comics with text'. The comic format is just too laborious and Tracy refuses to simplify the artwork (it got more complex over time) or to get assistants.
The important thing being that people actually
buy VNs/games while people mostly refuse to financially support animation/video. Idk if patreon was ever enough.
No. 2257692
>>2257685Most of the creative types are moving onto games for this reason, it's just a much easier way of making a profit/putting out art and has an easier time making a profit compared to animation/comics.
Just look at mouthwashing for a super recent example.
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>>2257657>>2257637The bar is still low for indie animation you got a few gems like Lackadaisy but then absolute garbage like this gets greenlit.
No. 2258169
>>2258167Eh, kinda seems like a cope there anon.
Kuroshit was pretty much THE fujo anime and it was a shota anime.
No. 2258178
>>2258173nhentai is vast majority stuff for men in general though, most of the doujins for women don't get reposted there.
Honestly doujins for women these days kinda don't get reposted a whole lot in general, myreadingmanga is trying to pander mainly to gay men after all.
No. 2258179
>>2258167>>2258169It seems like a cope considering
>>2256293Shota is number one in the yume popularity poll, it can't be all gay men pretending.
No. 2258181
shota/loli argument here is always so dumb. jp creators do not view them as actual children, point blank period. most jp fujoshi consume and create shota content because it's just a character archetype over there, these moralfag arguments do not exist. you either need to shift your thinking or just accept every single jp bl you probably get off to was written by a very likely "pedophile"
>>2258173possibly because nhentai is a male website, dummy
No. 2258189
>>2257286I know there are women who like those darker tags but
>ugly bastardThat is 100% a moid fetish. At least the rapists in hentai for women are supposed to be hot kek
No. 2258195
>>2258181>most jp fujoshi consume and create shota content because it's just a character archetype over there, these moralfag arguments do not exist. you either need to shift your thinking or just accept every single jp bl you probably get off to was written by a very likely "pedophile" Some twittertards got mad about that when a Jiro x Saburo Hypmic doujinshi artist did work for the ikemen sanrio project kek. I think they really can't seem to grasp that it's just a normal thing in otaku circles over there.
>>2258189I guess pick mes like sydsnap like ugly bastard.
No. 2258198
>>2258181i'd also argue there's a difference between a child character and a "child" character. or rather realistically written kids (caillou, arthur, anya, the kids from witch hat atelier, etc.) vs characters that are obviously just young to justify certain character traits like inexperience or recklessness or immaturity or even to bait fans of moe (ciel, south park boys, the ghost boy from pokemon, venti, etc.).
>>2258189>That is 100% a moid fetishnope there have been fujos on this very site who admit to being into it + ugly bastards are a common mob trope in bl. women have varied tastes
No. 2258257
>>2258242Nta nor am I an American part of this conversation but you are acting ignorant. Not gonna call myself the Nippon expert but if you consume enough non-fictional Japanese media you’ll know that it’s frankly acceptable if not expected for men to be into young girls (or young boys - I listened to a normie Japanese podcast and was shocked when the host casually described himself as a “shotacon” before describing an incident where a “middle-school boy” said something that “made him feel hot”. And his friends just laughed it off like haha you’re such a shotacon *-kun. Adult men and women. Yeah that’s not regular in the west. Same guy also described an old man harassing him in an onsen when he was a kid and they treated it as funny too.) It seems to me to be the worst in East Asia in this regard, at least I haven’t come across incidents like these with them yet. But there’s a reason why young idols are so big there and the industry hasn’t been severely reprimanded, is all I’m going to say.
Frankly, from my experience the fetishisation of youth just seems to be embedded in the culture. I can’t help but feel that way when there are sayings/terms common today that reflect this.
No. 2258393
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>>2258368interesting, why don't you go to make a tiktok crying about it?
No. 2258435
>>2258393Nta but to me yurifags and shotafags are pedos regardless of gender. Yuripedo is too. So long as the drawing depicts it that makes sense to me, if a fag jerked off to yaoi I’d call him a fag too, not much different with children.
Do I care when it’s women? No. I’m against calling women pick-mes for not thinking it’s
totally the same as lewding adults but I also don’t care to moralfag about it, especially when moids are 10x worse + openly pedophilic to real children. So I don’t care either way.
No. 2258455
>>2258448So if someone gets off to children but “doesn’t see them as children” it’s apparently less creepy than a woman focusing on persecuting male degeneracy instead of other women. Ok…
If they were getting off to actual boys being abused obviously I would be less dismissive. Similarly someone who’s a pedo for liking loli but doing nothing else is gross but will be regarded differently to someone who’s a pedo for literally searching and getting off to children’s abuse. I’d still call the lolifag a pedo.
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>>2258206Personally I was never bothered by women squealing over properly clothed cute anime boys, depending on their wording it was fluffily cute at best and somewhat cringe at worst. But then I made the mistake of joining a discord of self-proclaimed edgy fujoyumes who kept posting gross shit like fanart of 7-10 old looking nearly naked kids showing stuff like
cum running down their faces, vomit. Another mistake was playing slow damage and talking about it on twitter, now the algorithm keeps showing me posts from retards who keep complaining about how the game does not explicitly show mc's young self (picrel) being raped (
he did get raped and prostituted as a kid which is lowkey a spoiler revealed in the last route, but if you are smart you can guess Towa's trauma 5 minutes into the game, the man is a self-destructive tragic mess.
No. 2258472
>>2258457You made me remember a Japanese artist who had to change her
fetish fixation of shotas like your picrel to "young men". She didn't even make them naked (except the knees).
No. 2258478
>>2258467What is the issue? Anons were just saying that women coming after shotafags is retarded when moids go unchecked and I agree with that. Where did I say I was okay with pedophiles? I said I didn’t care.
And it’s not hard to understand from that from my perspective, yes you are more of a creep if you’re getting off to shota. Than me for not caring. Kek
>>2258454I see your point but this would apply to fans of fantasy loli yuri too, no? They would argue they don’t want to see that in 3d or that no real girls look like that.
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