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No. 2220128

This thread is dedicated to all and any fandom discourse. Global rules apply: don't infight, report and ignore bait, etc.

Current topics include, but are not limited to:
> Proshipping vs Antishipping
> Ao3 Censorship and TOS
> Slapfights between slash, femslash, and het shippers
> Carrds, DNIs and Call-out Threads
> Whitewashed/blackwashed/colorist fanart drama
> ‘[Insert Sexuality/Gender]-Coded’ Characters
> Debates over death of the author
> Stalking/harassment experienced by actors/creators

Related threads:

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>>1978406

Fujocoomer cringe:
>>1959358

Previous:
>>2197306

No. 2220138

Wtf is this threadpic

No. 2220139

>>2220111
community feature 3rd post. Kiwifarms turned into twitter 2 lately, they will defend everyone they like against the same accusations they will label someone they dont like(who always has opposing political beliefs) the worst thing ever.

>>2220123
they defended the pokemon feet pedo and also defended they oneyplay guys despite associating with shadman. They are massive hypocrites. The guy they are WK in the post i linked said the Epstein victims were willing, too.

No. 2220140

My first thought of the thread's pic was that Rebecca is specifically a drawn version of Rebecca Sugar as a reference to the fact that she was a huge fan of Invader Zim and tried to talk to Jhonen Vasquez as a fan.

No. 2220143

>>2220140
its drawn by her she's always been a massive sperg

No. 2220159

>>2220139
>community feature 3rd post.
>its a troon pedo moid
…you know there are more better examples you couldve chosen, moids who like madoka or homura always tend to be degenerates

No. 2220167

>>2220159
i wasnt defending the moid though, just posting an example of kiwifags using the same tactics twittertroons use to discredit someone they dislike. They are also defending richard stallman who said the epstein victims were willing and said ''voluntary'' pedophilia doesnt hurt children

No. 2220176

>>2220175
when did i defend him? literally where.

No. 2220178

>>2220167
> just posting an example of kiwifags using the same tactics twittertroons use to discredit someone they dislike.
>i wasnt defending the moid though,
..sure, i dont care if the same tactics troons use is used against them if this was a actual woman i wouldve given a fuck about but its moid on moid war

No. 2220187

>>2220178
but they literally only use it on moids they dislike, thats my whole point. They defended oneyplay despite having strong ties to shadman to they point they lived with him for a while, just like how twittertroons tried to defend the mr beast troon. Now they are trying to use this random moid posting swimsuit art of madoka to discredit his letter calling Richard Stallman a pedophile, even thought richard stallman has defended actual pedophilia before. twittertroons and kiwifags are the same shit.

No. 2220203

>>2220187
who cares if moids have chimp wars

No. 2220208

People in general have been complaining about absolutely nothing when it comes to anime since it became mainstream, tbf.

No. 2220212

>>2220203
so you are okay with moids defending pedo moids as long as they like them? ok

No. 2220228

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>>2220212
tayrt its understandable that your pedo troon bootlicking got caught but the reverse wont work on me faggot.

No. 2220236

>>2220228
I genuinely dont understand why you are so pissed off at me pointing out kiwifags double standards. I didnt even know who the fuck that faggot was nor i care, i was just pointing out the hypocrisy of kiwifags using some moids posts to discredit his callout for a pedo moid they like just like twittertroons do by calling everyone that calls out one of their own twansphobic.

No. 2220304

>>2220104
>openly pedophile userbase like kf with an owner that used to jack it to shota and run an ib with a pedophile board
Null was (is) a shotacon? What the fuck did I miss? When did this happen and can anyone show receipts? I've heard many things about him but this isn't one of them.

No. 2220320

>>2220304
Doesn't null hate weebs and animu with a burning passion? How could he possibly a shotacon let alone a pedophile? Now the userbase, I won't put if past you most of the users there could be lolcows in and of themselves.

No. 2220322

>>2220320
>>2220304
I'm not going back on KF to find it but I distinctly remember one user who had a shota-esque avatar (it was cropped art of lil anime boys kneeling half naked in a shower) and no one ever commented on it. Plus they had a VTuber thread which was filled with not-so-subtle whiteknighting.

No. 2220324

>>2220322
That doesn't make him a shotacon

No. 2220340

>>2220138
hilarious

No. 2220352

>>2220128
this threadpic is so funny and retarded

No. 2220353

>>2220322
>it was cropped art of lil anime boys kneeling half naked in a shower
If that's the same avatar I'm thinking of (children kneeling with their hands behind their backs, their heads turning to look at the viewer), that was commissioned art found at the estate of an alleged pedo (unfortunately can't remember the name). I think it might've been a Pizzagate thing? It is an extremely creepy painting.

No. 2220371

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>>2220128
>>2220352
Oh my god, it was drawn by Rebecca Sugar (creator of steven universe) because she had a crush on Dib. That's supposed to be her, fucking kek. How did I miss this

No. 2220374

>>2220353
That sounds like the exact one. Very creepy to say the least.

No. 2220375

>>2220371
Absolutely based yume autism kek

No. 2220537

Why are chinese fanfictions a bit deranged on ao3? I don’t have anything against it, but whats the reason for male characters always getting raped and tortured compared to english ones?

No. 2220557

>>2220304
>Null was (is) a shotacon
It's years old but it's from some screenshot where he says he likes shota carboys

No. 2220564

>>2220537
never read one, now i’m curious. i wonder is this a particular fandom / character thing?

No. 2220572

>>2220537
Apparently ao3 is known to chinese fandoms as being for yaoi porn lmao. They post the normal fic on cn sites or ffn

No. 2220575

>>2220537
>>2220572
CN fandom is single handedly responsible for 80% of explicit fics in all my fandoms, it's crazy.

No. 2220585

>>2220557
>Carboys
KACHOW

No. 2220602

>>2220353
Now I'm morbidly curious, who's the name of the KF user with the avatar?
>>2220557
Why do moids always have pedophilic tendencies toward young boys?

No. 2220617

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>>2220602
I think they're referring to this user

No. 2220620

>>2220353
>>2220617
yeah thats a painting from the pod3sta's art collection

No. 2220657

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>>2220322
KF allows users like this, too. This guy had only positive ratings btw. I remember back when the chuggaconrroy(pedo footfag pokemon youtuber) drama happened his thread was filled with pedo apologists that WK him despite talking about his foot fetish with a 15yo.

No. 2220659

>>2220657
>Women have to be virgins
>But men get to be used up whores! It's only natural!

No. 2220694

>>2220657
guys it's not statutory rape if the parents are ok with it!

No. 2220707

>>2220657
The second one is just straight up ripped from porn. What 18 year old is getting gangbanged?

No. 2220719

>>2220617
Oh, I thought it was just highly stylized shota art but this grosses me out, clearly made by a nambla associate. Also ofc the poster is a pedomoid, god I hate faggots.

No. 2220789

the mere concept of anyone in a show like IZ sexy-slave-Leia-ing another character/self-insert oc is so fucking funny, I love it kek

No. 2220802

>>2220617
Who the fuck is Chris?

No. 2220804

>>2220789
oh anon you had to been there when the fandom was at its peak

No. 2220805

>>2220802
Chris as in Chris-chan.

No. 2220806


No. 2220807

>>2220707
Men consume so much porn from such a young age that, combined with their inherent male retardation, they think porn depicts real life. This is especially common in incels such as the denizens of kf and lolbertarian scrotes in general

No. 2220817

>>2220657
I'm sleep deprived so I read the second scenario as an older woman trying to get an 18 year old boy gangbanged by his teammates KEK

No. 2220818

>>2220657
The fact these retards are on a lolcow site and still don't think pedos have used this exact "but what if we're in LOVE?!" excuse millions of times just proves men are inherently sub IQ.

No. 2220821

>>2220657
Men are so fucking dramatic kek. This post embodies the energy of flouncing up the stairs to his bedroom and screaming "UGH YOU FEMALES NEVER LET ME DO ANYTHING!!! I HATE THIS PLACE!!!!" Before slamming the door and blasting Green Day while he curls up on his bed and chokes back angry sobs.

No. 2220913

>>2220657
>it's fine when we do it
I hate moids so much it feels unreal sometimes.

No. 2220966

>>2220657
>26 and 16 year old getting together and framed in a wholesome light
>weird porn story about an 18 year old getting gangbanged

LUL moids have the shittiest fanfics.

No. 2220973

>>2220821
hey hey hey hey hey, Green Day can be nice. If you wanna roast a moid for listening to music, just call him a Cannibal Corpse fan.

No. 2221119

>>2220804
ayrt oh I was, it baffled me then because I was too young/autistic to really get the more… transformative side of fandom creations kek, but now it's kind of charmingly deranged to look back on. This being how Sugar chose to self-insert only makes it better lmao

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No. 2221265

>>2221249
Wait, he's asking us to consider which scenario he'd prefer our daughters to be in, and he clearly favours the first one where a 16 year old is essentially sold to an older man…does that mean he would sell his own teenage kids into marriage? Would he "approve" if some old scrotal suiter came sniffing around his daughters?

No. 2221384

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And this is supposed to be “look how cool, quirky, and horny” tumblr is. I just find it lame
Where do you go if you want to talk about the thing you like? Honest question?

I know that ASOIAF is unique because waiting for GRRM to finish his books is a death sentence

No. 2221396

>>2220817
I did the same initially too nona kek

No. 2221483

>>2221384
Dedicated discords are where I have the most luck, though it’s hard to find a good one and they’re usually filled with zoomers and gendies. Honestly sometimes twitter gives me good conversations as well so long as the fandom isn’t huge.

No. 2221489

>>2220585
how old IS lightning mcqueen anyways

No. 2221549

>>2221249
>64 updootes
grim

No. 2222061

>>2221489
The first Cars movie came out 18 years ago…. Lightning McQueen is now legal.

No. 2222170

>>2220537
>>2220572
There's also the fact that it's safer for them to post unhinged shit on AO3 in comparison to other fic sites.

No. 2222857

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>>2218158
they aren't letting this go

No. 2222886

>>2222857
The numbers aren't too significantly different, so I don't see how that's a flex. Especially when nobody gives a fuck about underpaid American voice actors for anime but Japanese voice actors are chosen for marketing reasons and their fans will watch something just for them sometimes which is why Yuichi Nakamura is every fucking where right now.

No. 2222924

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Why are twitter gachacels so incredibly mentally ill? The original post that had over 15k likes has been deleted, but this individual accused a woman of misogyny for calling Ayaka a waifubait character. I have nothing against women that like female characters from gachashit but I hate when they try to paint these characters as some paragon of feminism. This entire thread is beyond parody to me because they use the same rhetoric that is used by males who claim that women are just jealous of their 1-dimensional waifus, but instead they add a dash of twitter feminism to whatever claim they are making.

No. 2222930

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>>2222924
Maybe I need to get my head out of gachashit, but I’m genuinely concerned for these women. Many of them are well over 20 and should know what feminism and misogyny are, but it seems like they learned these terms from Twitter one day and haven't stopped using them in every single conversation since then. I have noticed that whenever a semi-popular post about male characters appears, they jump in with a QRT to make some unrelated or exaggerated point about misogyny. I don’t even like the male characters from Hoyoshit, but I find this constant seething over "some random woman on the internet does not like this coombait female character, so it must be misogyny!1!!" both amusing and tiring.
It is very insulting, that some of them genuinely believe that if you don’t like female characters from hoyoshit of all things, then you must not be attracted to women. Worse, they belittle concerns voiced by Chinese women under the guise of feminism. For them, tearing down real women to defend the honour of fictional female characters designed by men somehow counts as peak feminism. I’ve seen so many unhinged posts in the past few days that it’s really making me think about the absolute state of women-dominated fandom spaces. Ironically, moids on reddit and /vg/ hold far more irrational hatred toward male characters, yet no one is policing their opinions over there.

No. 2222966

>>2222924
>>2222930
What is it with this game attracting so many autists.

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>>2222924
>>2222930
Wonder how many of these are trannies posting the same rhetoric as gooners with "so you hate women" instead of "are you afraid of boobs"?

RL women here are 100% fakebians and pornsick though. No way in hell you would whiteknight ZZZ unless you're actually retarded.

No. 2222983

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>>2222982
Posting the following because the copypasta is hilarious.

No. 2222984

>>2221483
wrt to ASOIAF my fav is this one meme subreddit that's books only, seems to filter out the low IQ discourse in >>2221384

It's not all just jokes, sometimes some memes do trigger people enough to discuss the books

but ASOIAF is in a runt because of the long hiatus, any fandom eventually breaks down after 5+ years

I never tried discords tbh, it seems like too much effort for me

No. 2222999

>>2222982
>>2222983
We need to spam this everywhere as the new copypasta.

No. 2223005

>>2222966
>colorful designs
>braindead black and white storytelling
>simple game design
Gee I wonder why.

No. 2223040

>>2220537
Based Chinese fujos
>>2220572
>Apparently ao3 is known to chinese fandoms as being for yaoi porn lmao.
Implying AO3 is known for something different in the west? Kek most fanfics are M/M

No. 2223266

>>2220537
>>2220572
It's the one place the CCP has no authority over, that's why the CN fujos and yumes write the raunchiest, most depraved material there. It's literally their safe haven

No. 2223368

>>2222930
>you don’t care for female character therefore you’re a misogynist

I feel crazy and would like to apologize to many nonnies. I held similar beliefs up until a few months ago. A show I was following took a nosedive with its female cast while unintentionally making their male characters more interesting yet a certain segment of fans are hellbent on portraying any and all dissidents as sexists or misogynists before admitting that the writers themselves are badly handling the female characters. I’ve seen “you just hate flawed female characters essays” and those posts genuinely have me closer to becoming a /tv/ lurker .

I still get it on principle . The hate boner men had towards Skylar in Breaking Bad for example but idk i feel like nowadays it’s not that bad?
Like in the boys people don’t hate Victoria, who was a very morally grey character, and instead disliked Starlight for understandable reasons

It’s not always misogyny, sometimes your fav female character is just not interesting and invoking morality police and tumblr politics won’t change that

No. 2223633

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this is over good omens getting a 90 minute finale, do they know how many fandoms would have literally begged for this?

No. 2223638

>>2223633
KEK good that shit show was one of the biggest ugly man psyops ever, fuck it

No. 2223643

>>2223633
Atleast it will get a finale and it got cancelled for a reason, Good omens fans got it good.

No. 2223649

>>2223633
that one girl saying
>never get into queer media
lmao b/c the male writer WILL turn out to be a sexpest

No. 2223650

>>2223633
Are they at least blaming Neil Gaiman for it?

No. 2223653

>>2223650
they were, but they were giving equal blame to the studio

No. 2223744

>>2222924
It's just plain character wankery disguised as activism. "You don't like my fictional female character created by a man? You must hate women. Now please ignore while I shit on this other female character created by the same man because she takes away attention from my fav!" Exist in manga/anime fandoms as well. See anyone shonen related piece of media with more than one female character of the same age bracket.

No. 2224282

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>characters that literally aren't related
>she's just the occasional girlfriend of his mentor figure

No. 2224309

>>2222924
>which is definitely how that works irl too
>no one hates Genshin women like women
But they're not real women, and they they were literally made to get male coomers to spend all their savings on them…

>>2220657
>chuggaconrroy(pedo footfag pokemon youtuber)
Holy shit, this is the first time I've read anything about this.

>>2221265
Nona, he's the kind of sick fuck who would want to have children only to groom and rape them.

No. 2224312

>>2222983
Is DEI the new scrote buzzword to discredit any piece of media they can't fap to? Or the new "SJW"?

No. 2224398

>>2224312
It absolutely is. It's crazy to me that I suddenly started seeing conservatard moids throw that word everywhere in the most text book example of "buzzword" way out of nowhere. Genuinely curious how it spread so quickly.

No. 2224400

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>>2224312
It stands for diversity, equity and inclusion and it's the new woke I guess. It's just used like a reason to explain why games are bad now without directly saying that the real issue is that they don't 100% cater to them. Imo the old fucks spouting this shit should not be playing games in the first place kek get an adult hobby

No. 2224447

>>2224282
>the clownish and absurd size difference and "sexual dimorphism"
>the tacky costumes
>knowing so much trivia about cringe media for overgrowed mentally handicapped manchildren
Superhero fandoms are retarded.

No. 2224457

>>2224447
So what should adults be reading then? Depressing literary fiction?

No. 2224470

>>2224447
I agree but a 5'6 women will be that small compared to a 6'1 male

No. 2224510

>>2224312
Basically. They're already at it with DEI skin for black characters and DEI attributes when they can't goon to it.

No. 2224580

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>>2222982
>What's the matter, WOKEY BOY? Scared of a few BOOBIES?!

No. 2224591

>>2224470
nta but I think it's less so the character's heights and more the general proportions. I don't personally care about the stylisation (other than that it doesn't feel as cohesive between the characters as it could be), but a buff 6'1'' man is not that huge mclarge anyway– Catwoman's torso side profile could almost fit within his leg kek

No. 2224597

>>2224591
It legitimately looks like forced perspective kek

No. 2224602

>>2224400
If a woman who looked exactly like this got famous nowadays they'd neg her for being tanned and not having hips the width of a doorframe.

No. 2224670

>>2224457
Unironically yes

No. 2224708

>>2224447
Go tell us your fandoms nona, let's see how mature and adult you are
I have never cared for superheroes in my life btw

No. 2224713

>>2224312
I find forced diversity cringey in modern media but when these men scream over DEI it's always just a black person existing or a woman that isn't rail thin with a baby face. The whole concept of "woke" has lost credibility a long time ago but this is so mask off.

No. 2224717

You guys should see the pseudo meltdown /v/ had over Metaphor RE:Fantazio for being """DEI slop""".
Sadly I don't have pictures with me atm but it was one of the most forced and fabricated outrages ever in the history of vidiya fandom.

No. 2224726

>>2224717
Can you explain what's going on without posting spoilers? I plan on playing the game later and I'd like to avoid spoilers so I'd rather not check it out myself.

No. 2224738

>>2224726
I would also appreciate a spoiler-free summary, even if it's just a sentence
I'm playing the game atm so I imagine it includes that the characters and NPCs have varying skin tones and the world building includes different races and religions with prejudice and stereotypes about them, and that "tolerance" is a one of the traits the mc can level up in, however your female companions are conventionally attractive harembait

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>>2224738
Hulkenberg is the main point of contention, they complain over her ass being "censored" when compared to earlier footage of the game, plus the fact that she eats bugs. Thankfully most of the outrage is painfully forced and the overwhelming majority of people don't give a shit.
The whole "diversity and tolerance" stuff doesn't really trigger these people as much because, as you said, the female cast are all attractive.

No. 2224974

>>2224968
Kek thank you anon it's even dumber than I imagined

No. 2224991

>>2224968
thank god jesus christ, her ass looks so overrendered in the before that it clashes with the artstyle. isnt RE a horror game anyway? idk how anyone could take the before coombait seriously in one of those

No. 2224996

>>2224991
>isnt RE a horror game anyway?
Huh? Are we talking about Resident Evil or Metaphor?

No. 2225004

>>2224968
That's it? I expected something related to the story or characters and not just a bunch of tards complaining that there aren't enough polygons on some character's ass.

No. 2225019

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>>2225004
It's a 100 hour long JRPG, the culture war rage grifters can't get much mileage out of it beyond cherry picked screenshots like pic related, specially since the game is actually good and sold really well.

No. 2225024

>>2224996
KEK i misread the game title, sorry for being a retard. my point on the ass looking dumb in the before still stands though.

No. 2225026

>>2225019
I've noticed these types always backpedal and pretend they either didn't care or supported it all along if the thing they're mad about gets popular. For "warriors against tyrannical censorship" or whatever they sure love to suck up to the status quo kek

No. 2225030

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he's right

No. 2225031

>>2225030
They're both wrong and stupid, but the OP is especially stupid because you just know he likes the type of coomer or cgdct anime that has horrible character designs or manga with very sloppy, half assed art.

No. 2225032

>>2225030
The original tweet is such embarrassing weeb cope lmao. "Any art style that isn't animu = bad" type of brainworms.

No. 2225041

>>2225030
Why is he proposing to a child

No. 2225057

>>2225030
Haven't a bunch of right wingers absolutely shit on anime as brainrot?
Either way, using Frieren where the mc is a OP woman that doesn't really give a fuck and the ml died never getting laid doesn't seem like it'd go with those politics.

No. 2225059

>>2225041
He's just giving her a gift, not proposing.

No. 2225060

>>2225057
Rightoids have a BPDesque relationship with Japan and anime, it's either the most uber based last bastion of patriarchy to ever exist or cucked woke bugmen propaganda depending on the time of day.

No. 2225092

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>>222505
Depends, the more racist the more likely they're to dislike it because it's made by "Japs/gooks" and is liked by trannies

No. 2225100

>>2225092
I don't know what this means

No. 2225105

>>2225092
what is this retarded chart?

No. 2225116

>>2225105
A chart made by people who partake in sharing cp/zoo or extortionist groups who are mad they're being called out by supposed Safe Edgy communities

No. 2225118

>>2225105
It was posted on the nolimitsfun wiki or something

No. 2225224

>>2225019
I think the game is too long for culture war grifter types to be able to get content, they lack the patience.

No. 2225240

>>2225092
>"foodist" (pejorative coined on KF to describe the monkey torture "community", only the "foodists" themselves would use this term along with "pedo" and "tranny" because they assume they're more well-known than they actually are)
>weird malding about animals
>"something something loli/shota for the wrong reasons"
Chart made by a gore-addicted, pedophilic monkey rapist.

No. 2225254

>>2225240
Also calling gore the "moral equivalent" to CP. Only an edgelord NEET with severe autism would ever construct this sentence.

No. 2225260

>>2225092
>>2225240
"Virtue signals over sexual deviancy" is another dead giveaway kek

No. 2225261

>>2225116
i regret asking, i hope everyone involved in this dies

No. 2225283

>>2225260
Then have a closet full of porn kek. Projection, lots of it.

No. 2225356

>>2224968
The outcry that's been happening around videogames has been so annoying lately. It could be it's own thread with how every time a new trailer for a game is released, there needs to be an entire culture war surrounding it.

No. 2225358

>>2225356
It makes me wonder why it's video games specifically that turn into the political hotbeds out of all the major entertainment mediums. First gamer gate and now the culture wars, everything seems to collapse to point in videogames. Not film, not books, always games.

No. 2225364

>>2224968
This is what men deserve

No. 2225366

>>2225358
Because game developers are retards who will outright state they have contempt for their audience.

No. 2225370

>>2225358
its been happen to big franchises like star wars too. I personally just take my popcorn and enjoy the shitfest because there is nothing funnier than seeing nerd moids mald.

No. 2225372

>>2225358
>Not film
Ghost Busters 2016? The Star Wars sequel trilogy? The Little Mermaid? There's plenty of outrage regarding films.
>books
Culture war grifters are fucking illiterate, they'd never talk about books.

No. 2225374

>>2225366
Try developing games and see if you'll manage not to fucking hate your audience.

No. 2225375

>>2225370
Same, nonna. There's nothing I love more than not being a Star Wars fan. I fucking love listening to moids seethe about their franchise going to shit.

No. 2225380

>>2225372
>There's plenty of outrage regarding films.
Always seems to fizzle out quickly compared to games. The outrage in game spaces seems to compound itself in comparison.

No. 2225391

>>2225358
I think Gamergate is what helped kick it off. Grifters saw an easy way to build an audience and push their ideologies. And since a lot of male Gamers already had their foot in the door when it came to shit like that already, it didn't take much to draw them in.

No. 2225402

>>2225375
my favorite thing about star wars is knowing my ex and his friend group are constantly seething about it. i love when they put a woman on the screen cos i know one of them watched it like a rabid slobbering dog just seething in rage they put women in star wars. i know they punched walls over some stuff over the years.

No. 2225409

>>2225358
I think it happens mostly with franchises or mediums that are traditionally associated with the stereotypical basement dweller neckbeard type of nerd. There already were a lot of whiny toxic nerds, I think there's a growing resentment among these types of moids now because there's less big companies willing to directly pander to them probably because they're whiny and easily triggered so it takes less effort to just make stuff for normal people instead kek.

No. 2225637

>>2225375
there was some loser scrote i had to be subjected to in the past who was obsessed with the first few star wars and it was so funny seeing his reaction every time i said i had never seen any of them. like he couldn't fathom it and acted like it was my obligation to watch it and that it was his obligation to show it to me, topkek it made me want to watch it even less because he was insufferable. still haven't seen it all these years later
>>2225402
kekkk

No. 2225679

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I recently started drawing fanart for a fandom i used to be super into when i was a teen. I would love to be part of the fandom again and post my art online, but sadly it seems that the only non TRA fans left are all from asia. Not even having an anti-tranny episode saved the fandom from being populated by annoying gendies, there really is no fucking escape.

No. 2225682

>>2225366
gamers are the worst customers

No. 2225689

>>2225366
And that’s based. It’s even more based when the games meta-criticize like Cyberpunk 2077 does. Anti-corpo message from devs who were pushed over and over by their shit corporate overlords.

No. 2225690

>>2225679
what is it

No. 2225698

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>>2225690
south park

No. 2225703

>>2225698
it's OVER

No. 2225713

>>2225698
I immediately knew what it was based on the anti tranny episode mention kek. Imo that fandom is permanently fucked now, there were always moralfags years back but it was never as bad as now. I blame Tiktok

No. 2225717

>>2225713
Genuinely dont understand what zoomies see in south park and why they flock to it and want to troon out the guys. It feels way too offensive for gendies.

No. 2225724

>>2225698
The TIF urge to posture oneself as morally superior due to media preferences vs the TIF urge to identify as and coom to 8 year old cartoon boys

No. 2225750

>>2225724
KEK this really is their eternal dilemma

No. 2225752

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>>2225717
kek i was just thinking of this the other day, i genuinely do not get it, it's like they've never watched a single episode: which i would totally believe. i remember back in the early web days seeing tons of japanese and some western yaoi fanart of it, so my consensus is it's mostly former-fujo tifs who are incredibly divorced from reality. but i've also known some people who actually watched the show who are definitely the TRA type and i think the argument they made was that "well the show is making fun of everybody so it doesn't count!" or some stupid shit like that. honestly it's most likely the case of "people see what they want to see" and ignoring the parts they don't like. either way, the cognitive dissonance is insane with that crowd
>>2225724
>>2225750
kekkk too real

No. 2225755

>>2225752
Cratman would never say that

No. 2225758

>>2225752
Cartman would pretend to be a tranny to serve some retarded personal agenda and then commit a hate crime the millisecond he got bored.

No. 2225765

>>2225758
i have been wanting for trey and matt to make an episode where cartman becomes nonbinary and pretends to be more opressed than minorities, but trey and matt are boomers and not terminally online so i doubt they even know what the fuck is a nonbinary person

No. 2225787

>>2225717
I've always found SP's popularity with TIFs strange because it's not even just popular with the wannabe 4channer edgy type of gendies (somewhat understandable despite the dissonance) but also the neopronoun ones that will call you a nazi apologist for shipping Kyman. If there's one group of people South Park doesn't appeal to at all it's that one.

No. 2225838

>>2225375
it's such a weird movie to get so invested in. I watched the og trilogy and it's so barebone story-wise. Lovely matte paintings and music, but I was expecting something a little deeper. Even Predator has more nuanced dialogue

No. 2225954

>>2225358
The medium's young, only starting in maybe 70s? Enter a audience who grew up in the 90s where every women in video games were stacked bimbos and men were ripped acton heros. Now that games gone mainstream, the olden tropes had faded, no longer relevant in the face of changing trends. >>2225838
The og trilogy was fine. Not amazing, but did pave the way for better things imo.

No. 2226115

>>2222930
The first twitter post is correct, you can see it even in these threads.

No. 2226499

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Anyone else here bothered that the dirty old man trope doesn't have a female equivalent? Like where are my female ugly bastards lusting after younger male characters? Does this exist in any media that isn't just scrote oneeshota shit? I feel like this is a result of moids being threatened over the thought of an older woman finding a younger guy attractive, and women being conditioned into thinking that moids must always be older and dominant, kek.

No. 2226533

>>2226499
Only one I can think of is the "still I think he's rather tasty" woman from Aladdin.

No. 2226554

>>2226499
idk why you'd be bothered about a shitty trope not being more common for one sex over the other, but older women who leer at younger men do turn up more in live action comedies, from my experience. Also, while the attention is unwanted, the dirty old man trope isn't the same thing as the ugly bastard, as its usually a vehicle for shitty crass comedy (often to be immediately shut down as part of the bit) because the old person doesn't give a crap anymore/are pathetically trying to relive their glory days, and not a gross porn trope intended to sexually degrade a female character. The trope has also been on a general decline from what I've seen, and even characters known for embodying it (eg Master Roshi) have had their antics watered down in more recent depictions.

No. 2226556

>>2225765
There was an episode where Cartman got breast implants, and it was absolutely a commentary on doctors chopping off underage TIFs’ boobs.

No. 2226806

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>>2226499
Arcane did it best imo

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No. 2226833

>>2226806
this is insanely hot and i wonder if she’s like that in the original league lore.

No. 2226834

>>2226806
What's the name of the characters? I need to find fanfiction about them.

No. 2226835

>>2226833
She's actually a new character created for Arcane afaik

No. 2226837

>>2226834
The woman is called Ambessa Medarda, the guy doesn't have a name and is simply called Gorgeous Man in the credits kek

No. 2226844

>>2226833
They added her to the game recently and she has a flirty voiceline specifically for characters coded under her "type". Which are all either twinky champions or muscular women, she's basically a reddit bisexual kek.

No. 2226898

>>2226806
Holy shit maybe i should start watching more western media, absolutely based
Also
>older black woman with "unconventionally attractive" features
>hitting on a young qt white twink
Shocked culture warrior moids didn't throw a melty over this
>>2226844
I wouldn't call liking twinky moids reddit bi, reddit bi is moreso dadbods and characters like that ugly green faggot from zelda. I will say that her being attracted to "muscle mommies" definitely feels like it's so the woke crowd wouldn't chimp out and call her a pedo. muscular women are hot though

No. 2226907

>>2226898
> Shocked culture warrior moids didn't throw a melty over this
The secret to this whole ‘culture war’ thing is that moids don’t really care about DEI or ‘wokeness’, they just use bad games as an excuse to jab at minorities. You’ll notice that they’re usually clowned into silence when they try to go for a near-universally beloved property such as Arcane or Spiderverse. Hell, you could probably direct a film full of oiled-up twinks wrestling for the camera and if its plot is good enough you’d get at least three separate videos titled “How Oiled Up Twinks 3 Gets Its Diversity Right”. Point being: moids are dumb and have no critical thinking, which works just fine for me.

No. 2227014

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>>2226499
This happens with a lot of female characters in Boku no Hero Academia and I think also Yuri on Ice. I was thinking it was a common anime trope

No. 2227018

>>2227014
Though these female characters were usually attractive adults, not unattractive old ladies.

No. 2227046

>>2226806
This awoken something in me

No. 2227048

>>2226907
>You’ll notice that they’re usually clowned into silence when they try to go for a near-universally beloved property such as Arcane or Spiderverse.
Yeah, it’s cool how the Half-Life and Portal series are seen as the gold standard of video games when they have a positive, non-sexualized portrayal of female and minority characters (and I’d even go as far as saying that Portal and Portal 2 have feminist themes).

No. 2227065

>>2227048
I think some of this culture war nonsense has a generational component. And I don't just mean Gen Z vs Millennials and older I mean like older people who didn't get involved in online culture until more recently. Half Life 2 came out 20 years ago. Plenty of young dudes have never played it and lots of older guys might not have been gaming back then, or never played single player campaigns, or were uninvolved in fandom.

Alyx is a black woman with a very normal appearance (no skimpy outfits or super curvy body) but she was one of THE top video game waifus for nerd boys back in the 2000s. Current generation of grievance hunters are genuinely unaware that gamers used to commonly prefer a girl-next-door look in their waifus. If they ever made HL3 I do expect to see male infighting between the new breed that immediately cries DEI and the old breed rushing to protect the virtue of their childhood waifu.

No. 2227073

>>2225838
They're not invested in the movies; they're invested in the universe.

No. 2227099

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>>2227065
When Half-Life: Alyx (basically HL3) was released ~4 years ago, there were a lot of presumably male fans dissatisfied with her voice actor being changed and her face being more realistic (see picrel for comparison), but those things are understandable because I also thought the new character models fell a bit into the uncanny valley. If you were to look hard enough you could maybe find someone upset about playing as Alyx instead of Gordon, but the new game had a shockingly positive reception even after so many years of the series being ignored.

No. 2227120

>>2227065
>gamers used to commonly prefer a girl-next-door look in their waifus
While some waifued Alyx, plenty of people made fun of the aggressive shipping/damsel in distressing between her and Gordon that happened in Episode 2.

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>>2227065
>>2227099
Looks like a few people cried DEI over HLA, but it’s such an unpopular opinion that even Reddit is making fun of them.

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No. 2227145

>>2227099
ngl I can understand the dissatisfaction, especially with the change in voice. If the VAs are unable to still do the voice due to age that's one thing, but it's sad to see original VAs getting passed over for no reason.

The reason Alyx looks different is that her eyebrows are more arched (more feminine) and her jawline isn't as wide (more feminine). For all the complaining about DEI chins and manjaws a lot of these complainers lack aesthetic knowledge. Alyx has a cute, more rounded facial appearance because she was a wider jaw with a lower gonial angle. The new model tries to feminize her appearance in stereotypical ways and it makes her look quite different.

No. 2227149

>>2227128
>32 replies
fucking kek, I wonder what youtube video they originally commented on I want to see them get thrashed in the comments

No. 2227157

>>2227149
I assume it was the announcement trailer; you’ll have to sift through the 73K comments though.

No. 2227172

>>2227128
>>2227149
Also it’s hard to tell which comments are serious and which are trolls parodying angry conservatives.

No. 2227249

>>2227172
r/gamingcirclejerk is a shitpost sub populated by the leftist side of the culture wars.

No. 2227260

>>2227249
dumb to bring "leftist" and "culture wars" into it. circlejerk subs are just about making fun of dumb posting trends in the main subs.

No. 2227269

>>2227249
I heard it wasn't as bad until Hogwarts Legacy came out then it turned into utter shit.

No. 2227329

>>2227249
I am aware; I was suggesting that some of the YouTube comments themselves could be bait/satire. I’m not a fan of that sub since it’s full of trannies, but a broken clock is right twice a day.

No. 2227450

>>2227329
The amount of trannies never surprised me considering gaming attracts many kinds of outcast. What's baffling was one or some of the mods being out and out tankies yet some of the userbase hates CCP or anything china craps out. You're left two sides secretly in a cold war to see who's gonna get the axe and who stays.

No. 2228370

this might have been brought up before but does anyone else miss the culture of imagine blogs on tumblr? feels like those died off at the same time as people got insanely obsessed with their own headcanons and ships etc and stopped being able to handle seeing anyone else's interpretations or ideas within a fandom without having to fight them and argue about who's more correct or what's allowed or not. like, you're not the creator of whatever media you're into, stop acting like you speak with authority on what a character is like or what could happen in a setting etc. the format of imagine blogs was very compelling. i'm tired of reading people's essay long takes on stuff on their personal accs.

No. 2228771

>>2228370
>the culture of imagine blogs on tumblr?
What is it nonna? Do you have examples to share?

No. 2228895

>>2226898
>>2226844
>ultra masculine woc character
this is not as revolutionary as you all are making it, it's basically a porn trope and like >>2226844 said, she's basically a "reddit bisexual" trope

No. 2228902

>>2228895
>ultra masculine
ah yes, the ultra masculine urge of wearing bright red lipstick

No. 2228911

>>2228902
you know what I mean, most old women aren't steroid-pumped bodybuilders

No. 2228920

>>2228895
What about Alyx >>2227099

No. 2229011

>>2228920
I like her, she's actually a character instead of a porn-trope from someone D&D session

No. 2229052

>>2228370
Only tangentially related, but I fucking hate headcanon culture. Nowadays you can take a, say, 20yo female characters with black hair who studies to be a doctor, headcanon her as a "35yo blonde trans femme catgirl who works as a barista" and everyone has to accept that.
Yes, I'm calling for gatekeeping because some headcanons are just shit.

No. 2229116

>>2228370
Yes! It's now just ask me my headcanons/share your headcanons blog and all the remaining imagine blogs are very inactive and demotivated. Not to mention the AI drama and last year some imagine logs stealing fanfiction and rewording it as another character.
>>2228771
It's like short prompt writings, not enough for a full fledged fanfiction but still nice. Like imagine if you made a birthday cake for your husbando, and then the blog would write a short story based on that. Ofc its easier to just say I HC husbando as trans nonbinary and blogs replying valid and getting double the notes as the effortpost.

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How does this contradict eachother

No. 2229194

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>>2229180
Samefag, god I hate these ironic fujos who know nothing about the history of BL or our culture and say shit like this. Ofc this fag has the dead dove symbol in their bio but still has all these roundabout justifications for their heckin problematic hobby (assuming they even read bl)

No. 2229196

>>2229194
>our community has tons of trannies
no, bitch only westoids do. No fujo woman in japan gives a shit about trannies.

No. 2229205

>>2229180
> Two ‘cisgender’ men fucking each other with their ‘cisgender’ dicks and ‘cisgender’ anus’
> WUH WUH YAOI IS INHERENTLY TRANNY MEDIAAAA WUHHHHHH

No. 2229206

>>2229194
How are gays related to trannies? They always like to mix these crowds, but gays are about sexual orientation while trannies are all about some woowoo gender bullshit that they make up. Actually the two often contradict each other because sexual attraction relies heavily on the physical sexual characteristics that the gendies try so hard to deny. Fucking retards want to shove trannies everywhere.

No. 2229210

>>2229194
>deal heavily with gender
The fuck does that even mean kek What kind of BL is this troon reading?

No. 2229225

>>2229210
probably the weird omegaverse "yaoi" wherein one of the guys has a pussy. that and futashit have been a real plague on bl and gl respectively, get piv out of gay media for the love of god.

No. 2229237

>>2229210
Slow Damage's shitty localization has those themes, but in the original it's just Rei coming to terms with his masculinity while his friends are still GNC.

No. 2229286

>>2229225
i though they have asshole babies in omegaverse?

No. 2229355

>>2228911
Its a cartoon it doesnt have to be realistic.

No. 2229366

>>2229355
the vast majority of other human character have semi-realistic proportions

No. 2229390

>>2229366
the main characters have pink and blue hair

No. 2229445

>>2229180
I will always be a proud trans exclusionary radical fujoshi!

No. 2229610

>>2229180
Do Westoids not know how to do anything instead of needlessly policitize shit? I wouldn't even need to say you have to support gay people irl to be a fujo kek. Trannies have nothing to do with yaoi, I had to guess what they mean by dealing with gender is some characters going "I'm not a real man because I like dudes!" or because of long hair/flamboyant bishies. I genuinely don't know how else you would come to that conclusion.

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>>2229052
>Nowadays you can take a, say, 20yo female characters with black hair who studies to be a doctor, headcanon her as a "35yo blonde trans femme catgirl who works as a barista" and everyone has to accept that.
you're right on point with the attitude now being that everyone has to accept your headcanons. i'm not even against having headcanons that are ridiculously OOC, but treating them as undisputable canon, and thinking that anyone can be factually right or wrong about their headcanons, when a headcanon literally is the imagined canon that's in your head and not in the media in question, is all so dumb. and i think the difference between then and now is also that like, before when there were imagine blogs for example, it was more clear that your headcanons or fanfictional ideas were just ideas with no authority, and that they could all coexist together because people were actually willing to hear other's thoughts about stuff in their respective fandoms. i also liked imagine blogs because they encouraged being more immersed in the media the blogs revolved around. submissions could be like "imagine being a blah in blahworld doing blah with blah and blah". no mentally ill shit like kinning. it was cringe at times but harmless unlike today when kids are claiming they have a multiple personality that's some minecraft streamer literally existing inside their body/brain.

No. 2229695

>>2229052
>>2229681
That's not even a headcanon, that's a whole-ass AU mixed with your own OC at that point.

No. 2229711

>>2229695
yes hence the label "imagines"

No. 2229776

>>2229286
They do, at least the Japanese ones. Wouldn't be surprised if westerns saw the trend and went full tranny with it.

No. 2229883

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so i'm a mutuals with some libfems who are really into drag racing and the way they I've seen them engage with the fandom is fascinating, cause they basically treat it like "yuri" and even ship drag queens with each other and treat them like their female characters instead of gay men making a mocking impression of women

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Just wanted to post here about the schadenfreude I feel knowing the spergs who continually seethe about their two ships being either forgotten and or tainted by canon (they sometimes cry about the main ship i.e the girl “in the way” to the point of making ugly vent art of her being “cucked”) can only blame their fandom for not putting any effort in support for them. Bonus points for how shitty their art is after years as well as being the worst kind of pickmes with their shitty nsfw art.

No. 2230079

>>2226806
this is based

No. 2230092

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i’ve noticed that twitter “himejoshi” never engage with actual lesbian content. they’d rather play gacha or games that have no yuri so they can complain and argue that x character is actually lesbian coded. why?

No. 2230096

>>2230092
Because actual himejoshi are too busy not engaging and just RTing yuri mangaka. The ones you’re showing are secret fujoshi that don’t want to be labeled “straight” so despite hyperfocusing on males, they call them “honorary lesbians” or some stupid shit like that. Source: I’m a himejoshi and hang out with other himejoshi. We don’t engage with retards in general, since we’re too busy reading yuri manga/engaging with yuri stuff, while ignoring male-centric fandom spaces. You know it’s a himejoshi when she’s in more niche spaces, not the typical ones since the fandoms that are popular tend to be ones with male-centric charas. Unfortunately, himejoshi spaces are riddled with TIMs, which just makes us more quiet and less “online” socially, so to speak. Hope this clears things up.

No. 2230103

>>2230092
Best answer is their cowards or so rotted by queer theory they couldn't be straight. The masterdoc should have never existed, frankly. Maybe then we'd have less "himes" declaring their comphet crushes like it's an art. This is especially true for less than roid-looking men–Those get the worse of it.

No. 2230123

>>2230092
If they spend more time tweeting about male characters, hate or not, then they're not himejoshis. No shipper is gonna waste their time on that shit. Just compare them to any actual yuri account, most of them barely tweet about male characters in any context. They don't even bother to shit on them, they just ignore them and focus on the female characters they like (which mirrors what fujos do only caring about their yaois and nothing else). Like >>2230103 said these "himejo" accounts that spend their entire day hating on men are just masterdoc polilezzies, they pretend to only care about women/yuri but they never shut up about men. They just do this to overcompensate and prove how much of a lesbian they are or some shit.

No. 2230135

>>2229180
Just because you don’t abide by or believe in traditional gender roles society has been expecting of us does not mean you’re cool with trannies.If anything ,believing in TRA shit means you too think boys can’t like pink or girls can’t wear pants without being trans.Loathe modern fujo culture so much eugh(integrate)

No. 2230579

>>2230103
this is the best explanation

No. 2230588

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>>2226499
The only old lady I know in media that does this is the old lady from Ace attorney games who stayed hitting on Edgeworth.

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>>2226499
the only example i know is the old lady hitting on yung voldemort in harry potter and the half blood prince and she's an extremely minor character

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>>2230588
not anime but cloest equivalent i know is Buck Brown's old lady comics

No. 2230774

>>2226499
for real nonna. not animu related but imagine if there was a huge culturally revered movie like the 90s lolita adaptation or even leon the professional but the sexes of the characters were reversed. it would simply not be tolerated by society. yet the opposite is praised endlessly for its depth and meaning etc.
>Like where are my female ugly bastards lusting after younger male characters? Does this exist in any media that isn't just scrote oneeshota shit?
even in the media or porn where this dynamic sort of exists, it's literally always just young looking sexy women with gigatits, never a normal old looking woman let alone a gross old hag. it's never realistic, just more of the same old, done to death scrote fap material of the milf/mommy category as always.

No. 2231061

>>2230774
Every korean webtoon romacne i come across that has a younger male lead with a clear raising/grooming storyline gets whining and bitching in the comments without fail but even then it's never actually predatory and she never gets with the male lead until he's an adult anyway. So it never comes across as a nasty grooming romance if that's what one's looking for.

No. 2231408

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>>2226499
wouldnt call her nor dirty nor perverted by any means but she's the closest I can think of, their bond was based on their mutual fascination for death and ended up blooming into a full blown old-timey romance. The fact the actor wasnt underage at the time surprised me, he looked pretty young there. To summarize: its a weird girl-brooding dude romance except the girl is old enough to be his grandma and he looks fresh outta highschool.

No. 2231468

>>2231408
What's the film/series? Seems interesting.

No. 2231519

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>>2231468
nta but it's a film called harold and maude. definitely recommend, it's one of my favourites of all time.

No. 2231572

>>2231519
He looks like a mannequin in this photo

No. 2231965

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>just came across 3rd media this week where the main pair is a lesbian and a girly brown TiM
Kek this is so dumb, you just know they pat themselves on the backs for how sUbVeRsIve they are. Yet if I called them racist for making all their main brown “women” characters actually men in dresses I’d be the bad guy

No. 2232014

>>2231965
Someone needs to gaslight these people into making trans x trans pairings instead of this heterosexual shit. Wouldn't that be more woke anyway?

No. 2232073

>>2231965
Wait isn't this Noelle Stevenson's wife?

No. 2232189

>>2232073
It is. This is the woman who cucked Noelle so hard with a man that she trooned.

No. 2232479

>>2231965
Completely, totally unrelated. But I hate this trend of calling everything "X to lovers". It's a fucking romance, you don't have to force a dynamic to make it seem more interesting than it is. Also I hate how books are advertised nowadays.

No. 2233107

>>2231519
Thanks nona!

No. 2233214

>>2232479
It's a marketing trend with roots in fanfiction. The current generation writers come from wattpad and ao3 thus more and more books are starting to feel fanfic-y and that might explain it. Characters are introduced like you know them already, focus on emotions over plot, and meandering subplots that add nothing to the wider story. I wanna know why these kind of novels get popular till I realize most readers these days are illiterate tiktok zoomers.

No. 2233369

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A transformers convention(fandom populated by TIMs) banned trannies.

No. 2233376

>>2233369
kek waiting for the meltdown

No. 2233381

>>2233369
Sounds more like Florida banned them

No. 2233383

>>2233369
Florida has banned cross-dressing? Wow

No. 2233470

>>2233369
Damn based Florida. I just know that the only reason they are following these laws and claiming they have to is because at least a couple people in charge are stealth anti-troon in some way.

No. 2233472

>>2233369
Transforbic

No. 2233477

>>2233369
Sorry but what the fuck is that crossdressing thing? So a female fan can't cosplay as a male character anymore? This is some Saudi Arabian kind of shit, jesus.

No. 2233500

>>2233369
>>2233477
What even counts as “crossdressing”? Does it only apply to men wearing dresses, or is there a certain amount of tomboyishness that women are not allowed to show?

No. 2233506

>>2233500
And is it only based on America’s idea of men’s/women’s clothes? What if a man were to wear something cultural that would look “feminine” to Americans (like a kilt)? How do you legislate arbitrary pieces of fabric?

No. 2233514

>>2233500
It's like the way I've seen porn defined - you know it when you see it. If it's sexualized, it's crossdressing. You would be taking the rule in bad faith to use it to kick out a scot in a kilt or a woman in cargo pants.

No. 2233515

>>2233477
I have the same question. I'm not in Florida nor do I like transformers shit but I like to wear EGA fashion and look like a vampiric gentleman when I go to cons and meetups. That would be banned under this circumstance. Although I imagine that rule is only enforced if someone's making a scene already and reeing over bathrooms or pronouns

No. 2233516

>>2233470
What’s based about shoving gender norms down women’s throats? You know this will come to bite you in the ass right

No. 2233533

>>2233514
What counts as “sexualized”? Would you say that a lot of women’s fashion is sexualized because of how revealing and/or beautiful it is? I know that people here can often tell the difference between an AGP (fetishizing clothing) and a feminine man (not fetishizing clothing), but in practice you can’t read people’s minds to tell whether they’re fetishizing the clothing they’re wearing. And is it sexualizing just to think the clothes you’re wearing look sexy?

No. 2233536

>>2233514
>You would be taking the rule in bad faith to use it to kick out a scot in a kilt or a woman in cargo pants.
And how do you figure that the rule won't be abused by the people who take it in bad faith? This kind of shit can turn nefarious really fast.

No. 2233542

>>2233514
>>2233536
This is why laws need to be clearly defined and not reliant on opinion/interpretation. Regardless, I disagree with the crossdressing law in the first place because we shouldn’t be defining clothes as male/female and preventing people from wearing pieces of fabric just because a few fetishists are weird about it.

No. 2233568

>>2226806
these aren't lesbians?

No. 2233681

>>2233568
no anon it’s a woman and a man

No. 2233707

>>2233533
Actually I will concede I wasn't thinking of it like a law. I had no idea there were laws against cross dressing in florida and I don't think there should be any law about how to dress (barring exposure/offensive imagery etc). I was thinking of it as like a dress code at a specific event, which is typically only subject to the common sense of whoever's running the thing. I would trust a sensible, normal person's instinctive judgement on what is fetishistic and what isn't.

But going back to my comparison to porn - there are always slippery slope arguments about how to define it, it's never going to be 100% clear and easily defined, but I still want porn banned. I don't care if some artistic nudes are collateral damage. In the same way, I don't care if some feminine gay dude in a dress is collateral damage in a ban on cross dressing at a convention if it means people are spared trannies in thigh highs and mini skirts. imo that is men forcing the public to participate in their fetish without consent and I won't ever support it.

No. 2233762

>>2233500
I was just about to say. I don’t like femboys or troons but I do love handsome men in feminine clothing that accentuates their beauty; is that crossdressing? If it’s for MY fetish, and not the man’s? Kek.

No. 2233813

>>2233707
>I don't care if some artistic nudes are collateral damage
I don't like porn either but tasteful depictions of human desire shouldn't be banned, just regulated and out of the hands of vulnerable individuals.

No. 2233836

>>2233369
>banning cross-dressing
That’s what caused troons in the first place, not being able to separate gender roles from sex.

No. 2233837

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Apparently most animes and all of Disney are "explicitly against hate". This is so vague I don't even know what they're talking about.

No. 2233985

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>>2233837
There’s so much to unpack here.

>The happy, big-eyed worm creature on the right

>The book floating above the pillar like a coin in some platformer
>moster high

Agree that Steven Universe attracts toxic people though.

t. a hateful person who will continue to enjoy entertainment regardless of its supposed morals.

No. 2234052

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I know this meme is very common and everyone already knows about its point, but can I just ask a question? When a fandom inevitably gets characters somewhat wrong by exaggerating, mellowing, or straight up making shit up about characters, is it mainly that the people who make these "bastardized" interpretations aware that they're being inaccurate and are just having fun with how they THINK a character "should've been" written, or are most people rather bad at understanding characters straight from canon material?

No. 2234074

>>2234052
A lot of people just consume fanfic and not the source material so they have no idea of what the character is "supposed" to be to begin with.

No. 2234093

>>2234052
It's a mixed bag. There's this idea that surface level observations are always wrong, worsened by developers playing into it with dogshit "lore" to keep their fandoms engaged. People feel compelled to dig deeper than reasonable to extrapolate the truth, but more often than not, they end up taking leaps of faith with no basis in the source material. Fandom is also full of neurodivergents who struggle to view people holistically, they fixate on one characteristic instead of a dynamic personality because it's easier for them to digest. And like >>2234074 said it becomes a game of telephone when fanfiction gets involved.

No. 2234102

>>2234052
>>2234093
Samefagging but I also think that picrel is depicting TWO mischaracterizations, which is another issue where people (autists…) think that personalities can only ever be opposite to each other instead of complex and multifaceted.

No. 2234238

>>2233500
it's obviously about men wearing women clothing anon come on. We all know the opposite is not the same at all, as women wearing pants is normal nowadays and men commit most sex crimes.

No. 2234243


No. 2234329

>>2234052
I think a few years ago it was for fun, but now it feels like people are dead set on claiming their headcanons are totes canon.

No. 2234366

>>2234052
A little from column A, a little from column B. I think most people who do this are in it for the "fandom experience" and FOTM instead of finding and enjoyingh the thing organically, so they don't have that much respect for the original source material nor do they really bother to pay attention to how the character is actually written so their understanding is already surface level and based on what the people around tell them to see. This happens especially with video games because with them you can't just sit there and consoom them passively but actually interact with them, so they just go watch a let's play usually with someone else's already loaded commentary.

No. 2234373

>>2231408
she's more like manic pixie dream girl

No. 2234433

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I find alien stage fans’ obsession with Hyuna being a dommy mommy pegging girlboss who ”impregnates” the guy pretty baffling considering the media seems to consistently imply otherwise.
>attempt to look up nsfw
>first result is dickgirl Hyuna fucking cuntboy Luka
I fucking hate gendies so much

No. 2234462

>>2234433
I'm so annoyed that I didn't get into alien stage when it was still relatively underground because now the fanbase seems to be incredibly insufferable and filled with gendies making enjoying the source material impossible. Baffling that these people also typecast every female character not a complete useless loli as a horny dommy mommy since that and a self-insert vessel is the only female characters they can comprehend.

No. 2234466

>>2234433
I've noticed the people who talk about pegging never actually write/draw pegging, they just do it to not seem like boring hetshippers. Or they just turn it into regular ol' PIV heterosexuality anyway like you mentioned kek. It's funny how fandom praises itself for being subversive all the time but it's really just the same shit every time.

No. 2234493

>>2234433
>girlboss who ”impregnates” the guy
they never seem to get how fucking fundamentally misogynistic this is

No. 2234514

>>2234433
Even the fact so many of them tried to act like Hyuna is "so gender" when she literally just has thick eyebrows and wears tank tops gave the whole game away. Truly evil things happening in the Alien Stage fandom.

No. 2234837

>>2234466
>they just turn it into regular ol' PIV heterosexuality anyway like you mentioned kek
I noticed this even before peaking. For how much these types yell about how gay and queer they are, they almost never depict actual homosexual pairings. They’re genderbend, trannify, and slap on all the labels they want, but in the end, it’s always PIV sex.

No. 2235086

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>>2234433
>first result
these people need to be put in a straitjacket

No. 2235089

>>2234837
As stated before, queer theory has made it so that slapping arbitrary labels and minor adjustments somehow makes something "not straight" by virtue of being queer, according to twitter queers anyway. It reminds of the whole safe horny trend where muscle mommies and femboys rule the roost but lord forbid one likes a cute, normal guy/girl their age. That promotes "heteronormative culture", yet somehow shoving girlcock and boy pussy fights against the patriarchy? Give me a break, will yea?

No. 2235165

>>2235089
The more you look into queer theory the more retarded you realize it is. Doesn't have anything to do with what homos actually face in reality, just sticking it up to some abstract idea of a cisheteropatriarchalsexistwhatever world through microidentities. Gendies genuinely believe BDSM practicing heteros with dyed hair and pronouns are more queer than an assimilationist white gay couple just because the former collects more radical labels. It's the same label slapping shit people do in fandom calling their het ships t4t or bi4bi so you can't hate on it anymore because they're hecking queer and you're being queerphobic.

No. 2235332

>>2234433
To be fair to her, I'd also be traumatized by a guy who killed my brother when we were like 10.

No. 2235381

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No. 2235451

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>>2235332
That’s exactly why it’s baffling that people push such shallow unfitting tropes on her. They don’t consider her personality, vulnerabilities, or feelings at all, they’re just forcing their dumb fetishes and somehow it became popular fanon because fandoms in general can’t comprehend female characters who aren’t 2-dimensional. (It probably also has to do with her being tall and athletic with dark/angular features instead of a cutesy anime girl- fans formed an idea of her based on her looks and stuck to that)
However, I noticed this is mostly a western/english-speaking fan phenomenon- I guess because there’s more likely to be tryhard gendies? The chinese/korean/japanese fans seem to have a better understanding of her.

No. 2235654

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what is the single thing you hate the most about the fandom of your most favorite media?

No. 2235668

>>2235451
there's a great tumblr post about how wokies turning female characters into "mommy domme's" is just another way to ignore them

No. 2235676

>>2235668
NTA but please post it if you can find it, this phenomenon needs to be fucking studied. Even the people who claim to be all about female characters and are girls' girls etc still only talk about muh dommy mommies and slayqueens completely ignoring their canon personalities and character arcs.

No. 2235681

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>>2235654
The hatred for Lois, especially when the same fans worship Hal. They act like she’s the devil and when unfair fucked up shit happens to her, it’s okay with them because she needs to be taught a “lesson”. Meanwhile they conveniently brush over Hal being a shitty father and husband because he’s le funny bumbling dad lol!

For one, Lois is based. She’s so charismatic and funny and absolutely makes the show. I used to dislike her as a teen, but on a second rewatch, she became my favorite. She is trying her hardest in a family of the most horrible fucking moids. Most of the time she’s actually rational, it’s the boys being crazy. She is flawed and I won’t excuse some crazy shit she’s done, but I understand her and how she became like that.
Hal had his funny moments but still I find him overrated, annoying, and a despicable husband and human being
>Covers up evidence of cops abusing their power to punish Lois (because the evidence proves she was right and the cops were lying, but he wanted her to think she was wrong so she’s less confident in her judgments and acts more docile)
>Took photos of Lois naked while she’s asleep, tries to keep it a secret from her
>Purposely pushes the tough work on Lois because she’s supposed to be the ‘capable’ one keeping the family in line.
>Secretly took Fridays off at work while Lois always had to work her ass off so the family can afford food
>When they had a pregnancy scare and he got mad blaming it on her for being “the woman”
>Lied to her about getting a vasectomy
>Secretly added sugar and fatty crap to her food for his weight gain fetish and got horny while she was distressed wondering what the hell was happening with her body

There is a scene in the bowling episode where Francis calls each parent asking for $100 to pitch in on a car.
>Hal: Oh, come on, Francis. That's ridiculous. I'm not giving you the money to buy one-seventh of a piece of junk
>Francis: Okay. Just thought I'd ask. Later, Dad. Bye
And when he calls Lois
>Lois: Oh, honey, I'm sorry. I really don't think we can afford this right now
>Francis: Of course. I knew you'd say that. Why do I even try? Now you can go to bed happy, knowing that you kept my life a living hell!
And I think this perfectly encapsulates how fans treated Lois.

No. 2235694

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>>2235654
I'm a genshinfag so there are more than plenty, but the one thing I hate the most besides the fandom being dominated by weirdos is the complete, utter disregard of the original source material. Every single character is bound to be mischaracterized and flanderized until there's nothing left and it's practically either the fandom's collective OC blorbo now or just a one-note sex object male or female. A lot of it is also affirmed by grifters who want to hawk their artwork but not actually be invested in the source.

No. 2235731

>>2235681
As a kid watching I always genuinely loved Lois bc my mom was spineless kek Lois was a super tough tight-ship kind of woman cursed with only sons and I always respected/recognized that. Sucks she is Skylerized like all women over 30 in shows who don’t take male BS

No. 2235732

>>2235681
People hate Lois? She's hilarious and cool, and her actress is actually incredible. Probably the best sitcom acting I've seen, her rage is tangible. I guess it's not a surprise that people will hate the only relevant female character on the show but it just doesn't feel right. Also based seeing another MITM fan out in the wild, it's my favorite sitcom of all time.

No. 2235737

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>>2235654
I’m more amused than annoyed by it, but human Wheatley and his derivatives would probably be one of the cringiest things about the Portal fandom. If you saw picrel without context, you wouldn’t think it had anything to do with Portal at all.

Also love the Shiggy image you added.

No. 2235738

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>>2235654
The hero worship of this greasy rat haired mf is actually insane. He was wrong throughout his entire expansion and in the end they treated Ysayle like the victim and had her atone through suicide. Meanwhile this fucker gets off scot free because he's a man and a fan favorite. Then they COMPLETELY retcon his character to make him some free spirit misunderstood cool guy and everyone fangirls even more over him and acts like he's some super cool bishonen when he is in fact a nasty rat man with no redeeming qualities.

No. 2235741

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>>2235737
And whatever this is.

No. 2235748

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>>2235654
The anti/pro-ship wars, you either want squeaky clean "non-problematic" everything or you are on the bench with pedos who also claim on their side since you already make ""problematic" content. Tiktok was a mistake, I just want edgy comfy jokes with the cardboard cutouts.

No. 2235756

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>>2226499
literally the only doujin I know that has almost what you described is, i am not a father by matashita kintama, but even that is short lived with most of it focused on the guy getting fucked by other men (where being anally raped in women's clothing is shown as less traumatizing than having sex with a fat old woman) and the author's work are even more fucked, shotas getting pregnant

No. 2235781

>>2235756
Maybe you should make a fucked up hentai manga thread instead of telling us about this thing everytime you can…

No. 2235791

>>2235737
>>2235741
How do you think the fandom got to this point? I've seen similar levels of weird/wildly derived fandom content before, so I wonder if the evolution was along the same lines. Also what is it with centaur!AUs? It's like one of the autism knells of a fading fandom (similar to mer!AUs, but those don't seem to get quite as elaborate or off-the-rails as I've seen centaur ones get, maybe because they're more interested in Little Mermaid/Beauty and the Beast oneshot plots rather than going 'okay so what if the characters were centaurs and in the old west and in gangs and there's mistreatment/slavery and rude jokes about riding and–')

No. 2235811

>>2235756
>getting pregnant
I feel like the author likes this clearly want to write a story with women, but are too fujo-comed and afraid of writing women and thus give female physical qualities to male bodies without even realizing that it just makes them female with extra steps

No. 2235815

>>2235811
yes exactly and men irl who get bolt ons and bbls are also just female with extra steps, feminine traits = woman even if it has a penis and isn't some fantasy gender like futa

No. 2235818

>>2235738
no character in ff14 has enough depth or personality to really care about or analyze, they're all just empty tropes. ysyale in particular was the annoying mary sue waif trope so i don't care that she died, at least picrel is cute

No. 2235830

>>2235815
there's a difference between bolt-on surgically added accessories and a character becoming pregnant. If you have a male character who gets pregnant, they are no longer male

No. 2235838

>>2235694
As another genshinfag, I'll sign this. I don't even look for content of my faves anymore, because they're simply unrecognisable. Either their character gets completely butchered or they've been transed. It's really one of the worst fandoms I've ever been in.

No. 2235886

>>2235694
>Every single character is bound to be mischaracterized and flanderized until there's nothing left
You can’t mischaracterize something that has no character.

No. 2235926

>>2226499
They do exist but they’re either usually treated as joke characters you’re supposed to make fun of/are seen as unattractive or the sexy bimbo type that’s also made fun of sometimes. An example of the latter is that cow from Bunny Maloney.

No. 2235932

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>>2226499
There’s a couple of scenes like that in Venture Bros and always loved it when Brock would get uncomfortable.They should’ve gone further,tbh. wish I could show the actual clip but it wouldn’t post

No. 2235939

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>>2235654
>One side of the fandom is coomer scrotes making the same 3 unfunny jokes ad nauseum
>The other side is incessant moralfagging
Most of my favourite media's fandoms are basically just this.

No. 2235943

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This is grooming, this is emotional incest and i don't care if you disagree with me.
If it was shounen ai then it would have been okay but theyre literally reading or talking about 18+ yaoi together…nah that's gross.
Its nice to be supportive of your kids hobbies and interests but there are some boundaries which shouldn't be crossed.

No. 2235951

>>>2234052
>is it mainly that the people who make these "bastardized" interpretations aware that they're being inaccurate and are just having fun with how they THINK a character "should've been" written, or are most people rather bad at understanding characters straight from canon material?
It’s mostly the latter, a lot of people mistakenly believe headcanon to be true because they over analyze what’s there or misinterpret it. I do think there are people genuinely just having fun with their headcanonsbut the amount of people who have the need to justify it as “possibly canon because the author didn’t say no” like the retards who insist that nobody is confirmed straight for example is pretty high.

No. 2235955

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>>2226499
Natsume Ono did it in Gente.

No. 2235957

>>2235943
I knew a girl in my class in highschool whose mom let her borrow her Viewfinder volumes and then that classmate would let us borrow them from her, I was the only one who found that weird as hell so I kept my mouth shut. The mother was into bl in general so god knows what else she recommended to my classmate.

No. 2235963

>>2235681
I've never met anyone who didn't love Lois, everyone I know irl who likes the show thinks she hilarious just like the other characters, so maybe I only met normal, sane fans, thank god.

>>2235654
It's very general but I hate when you like a series of video games and the games are similar to each other while still feeling distinct and a lot of fans will sperg anytime they talk about a series because one game is so much worse/better than that one other game. Especially applies to Final Fantasy when I got into it long ago, Fire Emblem, SMT/Persona. And I hate whenever people compare Persona 4 to Scoobydoo it's so fucking annoying I can't express how much it pisses me off.

No. 2235972

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>>2235676
It’s not this one but it’s a good example. I haven’t read Chainsawman but from what I’ve heard of Makima it’s hilarious how people couldn’t handle her, especially when villains like Joker are given a pass despite his crimes. It’s just another one of fake performative feminism like when female love interests are turned into lesbians to get out of the way of whatever pairing (Korean yuri fans call it “leftover yuri” lol)

No. 2235990

>>2235737
>>2235791
Its as you said, a fading fandom. No new canon content. If the fans really wanted to they could glom around fan-made portal mods/levels as a source of new 'canon' but they don't.

No. 2235994

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No. 2235996

>>2235972
Your picrel isn't the same problem though, it's the "well if a female character did this–" rhetoric while the post you're replying to is addressing the kind where people objectify female characters into just a coomer trope to simp while ignoring their character altogether, which is far more insulting in my opinion. At least the people who hate female villains can be ignored, but the "oh I love her she's a total dommy mommy I want her strap oohhh mommyyyy!!!" crowd gets in everyone's face and only adds to the pointless, gratuitous sexualization of female characters.

No. 2235997

>>2235943
in past generations it would have been daughters reading their mother's copies of Clan of the Cave Bear of Flowers in the attic. I wonder if it's actual yaoi or just BL.

No. 2236002

>>2235943
>>2235997
Judging from the wording, it looks like daughter is the BL fan who's roping her mom into it.

No. 2236022

>>2235943
Man I wish my mom was like that, do you think watching movies with your parents that have sex scenes in them is "emotional incest" too or does it only apply to BL?

No. 2236038

>>2235997
This doesn’t feel that different from moms and daughters reading A Court of Thorn and Roses together to me

No. 2236054

>>2235997
Why would anyone read the incest book with their children?

No. 2236057

>>2235943
Thinking on it, isn't it considered more of a normal bonding type of thing for men? Sharing adult/more mature movies with their sons?
It's incest if it's between women, it's teaching a son to be a man with men kek.

No. 2236065

>>2236057
I fucking knew it, I knew at least one fujo would defend this with "but what about men"(fujo bait)

No. 2236068

>Spergs have like three different containment threads to cry about fujos and even that's not enough
Absolutely obsessed

No. 2236070

>>2236065
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of men, not defending it, this makes it sound like you posted it as bait.

No. 2236077

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>>2235676
found it

No. 2236091

>>2236070
Thats not me retard.
>>2236057
You..do know we are on lolcow, out of all places you want to play the "but what about moid" card when i think they are
equally disgusting creeps for that, stfu freak.
>>2236068
Sounds like projection, sorry you took weirdos sharing 18+ media with their children as something personal.

No. 2236098

>>2236022
>5 minute random surprise sex scene in a movie that makes everyone awkward in the room

Is apparently the same as:

>a comic where there are sex scenes every third chapter and the smut is explicit ans majority of time is dubcon, comic made for the sole purpose of fapping.


There is some darwin awards level intelligence in this thread.

No. 2236111

>>2236077
This is partly because Tumblr fandoms tend to be female-dominated, and most women are straight, so it makes sense that they would get attached to the male characters.

No. 2236112

>>2235996
Sorry about that, I had a brain fart there. My issue with that weirdass phenomenon was that even then, those people will only accept “safe” versions of their supposed dommy mommies.

No. 2236116

>>2236091
Why do you think it's a "but what about moid" when it's clearly pointing out that both are gross? Is that how your brain works?

No. 2236117

>>2235943
My friend was discussing explicit AOT yaoi fan fiction with her mom, and yeah I thought it was a bit weird KEK

I think the term for this would be “enmeshment”

No. 2236121

>>2236111
that's not the point though, it's the bizarre, almost feminine characterization of male characters while ignoring female characters that people have issues with

No. 2236148

>>2236121
Even more bizarre when the male character is a blatant misogynist, I’ve noticed that with the rapist from Mouthwashing but at the very least I’ve seen support for the female character there.

No. 2236154

>>2236121
>feminine characterization
what does this even mean?

No. 2236160

>>2235943
It's definitely strange but calling it grooming and emotional incest seems a bit too exaggerative.

No. 2236162

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>>2235791
AYRT
After Portal 2 was released in 2011, a lot of teenage girls had a crush on Wheatley, probably partly due to his VA being a popular British comedian (picrel). Because it’s weird to lust over an eyeball robot, people gave him the Bill Cipher treatment and drew him as a human who often looked like his voice actor. From what I understand, human Wheatley was like the Onceler before the Onceler.

I think the picture here >>2235737 is just someone’s cursed inside joke, not a centaur AU.

No. 2236163

>>2236077
This post isn't about the ridiculous mommy dommy sexualization phenomenon though? To be fair maybe I'm just consuming the wrong kind of media but I haven't seen a lot of female characters have relatable crying fits and meltdowns because female rage is still a taboo subject in most media and they're often canonly written to be the stable ones with both of their feet on the ground. I remember when Turning Red actually portrayed it and the movie was relentlessly lambasted and nitpicked to death at worst and simply ignored at best and that was only a few years ago. Sometimes I feel like these kinds of posts are just trying to cope in a world where female characters aren't allowed to be truly flawed and open for development by attacking other women for being drawn to only male characters instead of actually taking note that most mainstream media is still very male dominated despite all the crying about muh woke DEItization, of course you're going to be exposed to mostly discussion about said mainstream media. I'm not saying there isn't an issue of fans biased towards their male blorbos but two things can be true at the same time.

No. 2236166

>>2236154
I don't get it either, ehat exactly is feminine? Being emotional or something?
I genuinely wonder what male characters are considered "masculine" but still "for women".

No. 2236172

>>2236154
>>2236166
I presume anon is assmad that someone called her macho husbando "babygirl" or something.

No. 2236184

>>2236160
its not grooming but it is very weird to read porn with your mother and that can count as emotional incest

No. 2236192

>>2236163
the point is that most popular media doesn't have relatively complex male or female characters and the over-analysis of male characters is annoying to some people, I want you to name me an actual complex male character who deserved his level of autistic projection

No. 2236199

>>2236148
>I’ve noticed that with the rapist from Mouthwashing but at the very least I’ve seen support for the female character there.
It's because thankfully a lot of people have noticed that bullying works, spergs have been forced to learn how to tard wrangle themselves around a female character without the usual beating around the bush arguments. But there were definitely fix it fics for muh yaoi babygirl Jimmy that made Anya keep the baby. kek slowly but surely one day this problem might be resolved

No. 2236224

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>>2236163
>>2235676
NTA but the only thing I found was this. I think there might’ve been discussions about it in previous threads iirc.

No. 2236233

>>2236192
You fail to understand that A) the brain processes sexual attraction to characters first before it evaluates anything else and B) female sexuality entails humanizing the object of attraction. Women even do this in real life assigning good qualities that don't exist to males they fancy. When they are not attracted to a character and need to signal that they're "good feminists" or something, they'll just take their pointers from the people who actually are attracted to people like Makima, i.e. males whose sexuality involves stripping the object of their humanity and objectifying them. Ergo, mommy dommy shit.

No. 2236253

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>>2236154
They might be talking about the people who like to “female/mommy-code” male characters like when people use male characters to project period pain. I remember the discourse over this jjk dude being called female representation. Correct me if I’m wrong but apparently he’s supposed to be misogynistic at that lol, what.

No. 2236263

>>2236253
This is just evolved kinshit. Tbh I'd rather they project femaleness onto a fictional male if it soothes their schizophrenia rather than the alternative (projecting maleness onto themselves and trooning out because they relate to a male character).

No. 2236270

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>>2236253
>Correct me if I’m wrong but apparently he’s supposed to be misogynistic at that lol, what.
The guy you're talking about is Geto and he's not sexist. But maybe you also saw some people talking about another character from the same manga, he's Naoya, 90% of his character is being sexist, especially with his younger cousins Maki and Mai, and 10% is worshipping his older male cousin who's so cool, masculine and strong and has a pretty face to the point where he looks gay as fuck. I've seen some people saying there's a funny contrast between him being a deranged misogynist and him talking in a cutesy Kansai ben that feels equal to him talking in a valley girl accent in English, or him wearing a n old fashioned hakama but dying his hair and wearing earrings, but they don't take it as seriously as Geto fangirls insisting that Geto might as well be a woman because technically his superpower is similar to mpreg.

No. 2236287

>>2236270
Wait I forgot the most important argument with Naoya but spoilers because he's not in the anime yet he gets killed with a normal stab wound so he comes back as a curse, and he looks like a giant vulva in this form. And then he evolves again and looks like a giant uterus. While screeching that one of the main girls will never surpass him because he's a retarded jealous bitch. I think the actual shit takes will be posted once the third season will start though.

No. 2236295

>>2236270
Thanks for clarifying nonna. I don’t think I’m interested in knowing more about that power lol.

No. 2236322

>>2236295
>I don’t think I’m interested in knowing more about that power lol.
kek his power is like what SMT playable characters can do but when you think too hard about it it gets a little disturbing. I won't go too into details though. He wouldn't be too out of place if you put him in Sweet Pool now that I think about it.

No. 2236325

>>2236224
KEK this is painfully accurate

>>2236263
Yeah anons armchair this behavior to embarrassing levels, most of it is just projecting into their blorbos and using them as comfort characters and that's about it. Agree that this is a way better alternative to trooning out and trying to become male.

No. 2236334

>>2236263
>>2236325
you know this is literally the beginning for most modern tifs, projecting their own biology onto male characters, thinking male characters are like them and then transitioning

No. 2236338

>>2236334
Theyre making the male character a woman, not the other way around. The fact that they use words like "woman" and "female struggle" shouod tip you off. TIFs hate acknowledging their womanhood.

No. 2236384

>>2236192
Does Yuu from Seraph count? Though that's more because if taken at face value he doesn't make sense at all… Though I also like Shinoa as a complicated and spiteful female lead

No. 2236398

>>2225758
>>2225765
At least we had Mr Garrison showing his delulu when he became in TIM.

No. 2236401

>>2225758
I could've sworn there was an episode like that.

>>2236338
And I thought yaoi couldn't possibly be the reason for braindead tifs but here we are. I think anon's point was that kind of projection could easily go south, in this generation anyway.

No. 2236462

>>2235738
I have a soft spot for Estinien because I've played DRG since 2.0 and seeing my job quest NPC become a prominent character in HW was fun.

No. 2236575

>>2236462
They made him retarded in Endwalker though

No. 2236666

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>>2236575
Oh absolutely.

No. 2236677

>>2235994
>>2235818
>>2236462
He literally looks like a tumblr sexy man and you just know this man is unwashed. Look at how oily he looks even in the muscle pic. Nasty.

No. 2236698

>>2235737
Why do people enjoying humanizing non-human characters so much? Is this an attempt to make them more "familiar" and relatable?

No. 2236708

>>2236698
it's fun

No. 2236723

>>2236698
In the case of wheatley it's to make them fuckable

No. 2236852

>>2236677
I’ll clean him with my tongue.

No. 2237153

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>>2235654
Yes, laugh at me for being a Genshin player but the absolute single thing I cannot abide about the fandom isn’t the lolicons, isn’t the racism, isn’t even the incels, but this specific genre of ‘WLW’ in bio ‘transfem’ who goes around on Twitter telling real female fans that they’re ‘misogynists’ for feeling uncomfortable with oversexualised stripper designs. These are essentially just ‘cis’ straight men not only telling women to shut up and take their rampant sexism and pornography addiction lying down, but using feminist rhetoric to do so. It makes my blood boil.

No. 2237157

>>2235943
It’s definitely ‘weird’ but don’t forget that scrotes have viewed handing down their hidden porn magazine stash to their sons as a hilarious family ritual since time immemorial, so I don’t really give a fuck unless men stop doing it first.

No. 2237162

>>2236224
>People obsessed with men
What a funny way to word it. Do they mean regular straight women? It sounds like they’re trying to turn singular attraction to men into some kind of identity that they can create a slur for kekkkkkkkkk anyway yes I’m obsessed with men and male beauty and yes I’m obsessed with seeing men naked and buttfucking each other and seeing their hot sweaty bodies going at it. What are you going to do about it, picrel-chan? Send me to a reverse conversion camp? Cry harder.

No. 2237165

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>>2237153
not a gachafag but I understand, when I was younger and was into the owl House, I came across so many degens and troons who sexualized the female characters and seemed to despise the only male character because he got in the way of their lesbian ship and called little girls misogynistic and sexist because they liked him

No. 2237210

>>2237162
Off-topic but why do I only see comments like this on LC? Like why don't I see people like this going after actual Twitterfags?

No. 2237223

>>2237210
What's the point of arguing with them on twitter where they'll just send their underage followers after you

No. 2237226

>>2237210
AYRT, we can’t say the quiet bit out loud but if you have a keen eye you can learn to spot us amongst the class of fujos who are aggressively thirsty over men. No fake ‘wahhh girlboss women’ crap: just pure, unadulterated male ass, cock and bod appreciation. Bonus points if the poster is non-western, extra if non-western SEA or CN/JP/KR (as they’re even less likely to be gendies).

No. 2237230

>>2237226
Samefagging, and we never add any of this extra shit onto our thirsting. Gendies will always feel the need to subvert their male thirsting because of their internal guilt over being heterosexual by adding some word sludge like ‘his pussy’ or ‘I’ll scissor him’. A great example was that ‘I’ll show Shibuya a real incident’ twitter meme that went around a while ago, kek. No gender implications, no vaginal mentions, just a horny cocksucking joke. That’s generally the kind of signalling you should look out for.

No. 2237238

>>2237165
What character are they even talking about? It’s been a while since I’ve seen it but Christ, aren’t there literally 2 black characters with any sort of prominence with one of them being a child? That sort of rambling sounds like Lily Orchid.

No. 2237242

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>>2229711
No, I wasn't talking about the imagines, but the character re-writes that are being passed off as "headcanons" these days.
For example, this art meme. It says
>draw this character in your style and/or with your headcanons
as if headcanons changed the canon apperance of characters (unless it's like, a book character with no defined canon appearance, or a character that's only mentioned but never seen on-screen). That's not what a headcanon is, at all. That's taking a canon character and making an OC with it. Not only are headcanons not supposed to be undisputable gospel, but they shouldn't contradict what's already established in canon. It's like the current generation of fandoms are incapable of getting it.

No. 2237244

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>>2237238
hunter, the brooding, edgy elf boy who also wears a mask

No. 2237253

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>>2237244
Kek, don't remind me of the hunter hate, the trannies were seething so much over this dude and that girls were fangirling over him so much and not "paying enough attention" to the canon lesbian couple.(they were, but you know damn well for these guys it's never enough)
The seethe over him being redeemed and not killed off coming from these guys is so good.

No. 2237254

>>2237165
Men seething about women and girls being heterosexual but not for them.

No. 2237256

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>>2237230
>A great example was that ‘I’ll show Shibuya a real incident’ twitter meme that went around a while ago, kek. No gender implications, no vaginal mentions, just a horny cocksucking joke.
KEK, NTA but I just looked it up. Based.
Note how it's always scrotes (tranny or not) that chimp out whenever women aren't indulging in male fetishes, and instead openly talk about their own preferences completely without caring about moid opinons.

>>2236253
>male character is written to face struggles that women usually deal with more than men
>female character-coded
Tranny logic. Shouldn't they be celebrating that a male character has traits that are stereotypically associated with women, instead of doing these mental gymnastics to convince people of how this male is totes actually female?

No. 2237257

>>2237230
>A great example was that ‘I’ll show Shibuya a real incident’ twitter meme
I will never get over how it made so many of the male fans seethe and pretend that Gojo/Geto/Nanami fangirls saying these characters are fuckable are as bad as shonentards retweeting NSFW art of Nobara and Maki everyday.

No. 2237258

>>2237257
I haven't seen the seething, please share some caps if you can, kek.

No. 2237259

>>2237258
Twitter is so broken I'm not sure I can find these tweets again but I'll try.

No. 2237264

>>2236192
I feel like this is really fandom dependent tbh. People will care more about the male characters in media that is male-dominated, whereas they will care more about the female characters in media that is female-dominated. For instance, people over-analyze the female characters a lot in Arcane. This is because Arcane has female characters that take on a dominant role as the main characters in the story. Compare it to something like Breaking Bad, which is heavily male-dominated and the female characters are just side characters, people would usually over-analyze Walt or Jesse or whatever.

No. 2237275

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>>2237238
>That sort of rambling sounds like Lily Orchid.
It's by him, also related. he once got a female publisher basically cancelled with his rants, so author christie holden wrote a number of tie-in books to video game series, including assassin's creed and world of warcraft and was living her best life and also writing her own vampire romance novels. and this moid (who claims to be a feminist lesbian) didn't like the fact that the female characters had romantic relationships with men and he accused her of being a racist (because she got the facts wrong about arab and warcraft fantasy culture wrong), a misogynist (again, because she supposedly didn't handle her female characters properly), a pedophile and a fetishist (because a 20 year-old male character fell in love with a middle-aged female character). she had to turn off her account for a few months cause of this

No. 2237278

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>>2237275
samefag, here's him just admitting he got banned for a while for harassing her

No. 2237438

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Can anyone who plays Call of Duty explain what's going on with the fanbase? I thought it was a moid game why is there suddenly a billion they/them Wilbur Soot people writing yaoi fanfics about them knotting eachother on the battlefield? It's become a huge thing on TikTok (and fanfic websites too) for the front page to be full of OC art and stories written the exact same way as the old 2016 1Direction wattpad classics. And I mean that. Right down to the "I put on my messy bun and mascara and my mum sold me to Ghost to pay off her debts" opening chapters

No. 2237444

>>2236698
fuckability (to add to this, some people are shy in displaying their infatuations and try to make them more 'normal' and palatable within their social circle by humanising the design) and also lot of people can draw a passably decent animu bishie, but drawing a monster/alien/robot/whatever is beyond their current ability (especially when it comes to conveying emotion and character/poses, much easier to just turn it into a bedazzled human)

No. 2237451

>>2237438
iirc, it's a fandom based almost purely off of tiktok posts, rather than people necessarily being into the actual game at all. Blew my friend's mind with it when I asked him how many fics he thought the Ghost character had on ao3 kek when we were chatting about it because of a tangentially related topic (a stalker romance book about a 'masktokker' lmao). I think it has that unhinged wattpad quality because there's either not a lot of canon content to spin into fic or the fandom isn't interacting with it in general, so it was never really on the rails and has just spiralled into fandom/kink tropes.

No. 2237452

>>2237438
A popular artist started drawing what is, to her credit, pretty damn good erotic art of Soap (scottish guy) and Ghost (skull mask guy) and it all blew up from there. She has like 40-100k likes per fanart. Umikochannart or something, I think it was.

No. 2237453

>>2237438
there was a tumblr post about this, basically there's a whole genre of misc media that girls got into because our brothers or dads introduced us to it, that said none of these really play the games, i'm pretty sure , it's still 90% men

No. 2237476

>>2237451
Reminds me of HLVRAI, a jokey Half-Life roleplay stream that somehow attracted a lot of fujoshis who weren’t into the original game and shipped the streamers’ meme versions of the characters.

No. 2237534

>>2237452
Oh shit, that's the artist who drew that pic? Danm, she's crazy skilled. I thought it was a gay man, kek.

>>2237476
Is that where that Tumblr sexyman guy comes from? Benry or something.

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>>2237534
>Is that where that Tumblr sexyman guy comes from? Benry or something.
Yes kek

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>users on r/a03 are 50 times more likely to use r/asexuality then the average reddit user
interesting

No. 2237568

>>2237562
Autism is a beautiful thing

No. 2237576

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>>2237438
There’s always been CoD yaoi and fangirls, at least since 2007. There was a famous doujinshi about the characters of mw2 called Defective Dogs. There is a new wave of zoomer fangirls because of the reboot. There’s the tumblr side and the TikTok side, though the tiktok side is more about the thirst traps and edits than the actual characters. Last summer the husbando threads were nothing but Ghost and König. miss it tbh

No. 2237579

>>2237576
>There was a famous doujinshi about the characters of mw2 called Defective Dogs
Kek, I just looked it up and damn, it was indeed pretty popular. It's on Suruga-ya I like this yaoi doujinshi genre of military male characters being raped, seems it used to be more popular back then.

No. 2237582

>>2237579
I never quite understand why the japanese are so obsessed with Western militaries, like they don't even have their own army

No. 2237587

>>2237582
Probably because their media doesn't feature the Japanese military that often, but a lot of western media features modern western soldiers.

No. 2237588

>>2237582
I don’t know but Defective Dogs was pretty funny. One of the plots was Ghost getting stung by a bee in his balls and he had to make Soap suck the venom out.

No. 2237590

>>2237588
porn addict humour

No. 2237593

>>2237590
You have no joy in your life if you think that isn't hilarious.

No. 2237594

>>2237579
>genre of military male characters being raped
Since there's no plot to actually make a story out of when it comes to games like COD it's always entertaining to see how fanfic writers try to naturally insert gay rape into their story off the top of their head because it's never normal circumstances

No. 2237597

>>2237594
What? Gay rape is already a feature of militaries, you don't need to do a lot of legwork to make it work.

No. 2237600

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>>2237590
It’s more of a fujoshi set up but whatever. I misremembered, it wasn’t a bee, a snake bit him.

No. 2237601

>>2237600
KEK WHAT THE FUCK

No. 2237602

>>2237601
Honestly the whole read is funny, I glazed my eyes over the actual explicit parts.

No. 2237615

>>2237600
superior nippon humour

No. 2237617

>>2237600
Jesus Christ kek

No. 2237647

>>2237594
AYRT, the other series I saw this kind of doujin made for were Hetalia and that poor MGS imitation called My Life With You. There were several original BL manga of around that era with the same kind of plot (military rape), too.

>>2237600
Kek. The translation is pretty decent. Apparently people also sold the translated version.

No. 2237652

>>2237582
>like they don't even have their own army
Well that's the problem. The LDP really really really really wants to re-militarize. And since they've been in power almost continuously since 1955 they've had plenty of time to poison the media with military propaganda so that young people become positively fixated on the military, just like they do in the US.

No. 2237663

>>2237582
Not japanese but military anime men are hot, simple as

No. 2237788

Kek she has that fakeboi vocal fry for days

No. 2237793

>>2237600
>this is what fujoshis consider "good writing"(baiting)

No. 2237795

>>2237793
I'm sorry but this is art

No. 2237799

>>2237793
no fun allowed

No. 2237800

>>2237793
You lack the IQ to understand this. If you can't read between the lines to see the emotions conveyed in the middle panel (surprise, reluctance, yet overridden by a sense of concern and duty to his comrade) and understand how they progress to the characters exploring each other's depths then clearly you need to go back to lower level reading like Tolstoy

No. 2237810

>>2237800
Nta but honestly I don't understand the character's motivation, why wouldn't you want to see someone die like that?

No. 2237813

>>2237810
Their love is just that strong.

No. 2237819

>>2237576
am I the only who finds these military soldier guys kind of scary looking?

No. 2237889

>>2237819
It's a bit scary, especially with the way that artist renders.

>>2237793
It's not supposed to be serious, and I'm not a fujo but I found it funny. Don't like, don't read.

No. 2237974

>>2235943
>This is grooming, this is emotional incest and i don't care if you disagree with me.
okay so first off you clearly don't know what incest means. and secondly, how is the mother supposedly grooming her daughter here? influencing her into becoming a fujo, god forbid? kek. like >>2237157 mentioned fathers have been gifting sons their collections of playboys and hustlers, later on even video tapes, as sacred coomer heirlooms like a retarded coming of age ritual since the dawn of porn culture. but no one's really addressing that as a problem even though it's something that, unlike yaoi manga, does in fact victimize people, namely the women who are exploited by said porn magazines.
furthermore i think there's little to no difference between parents watching a movie or tv show that includes lewd and/or sex scenes with their kids and showing them a book or in this case a manga that also includes the same sort of content. and the first happens all the time, assuming it's not some insanely graphic shit and that age restrictions are followed etc (which by the way, aren't age restrictions on movies and tv there for parental guidance purposes to judge what's okay for the kid to see or not? typically age restrictions are lowered if you go with a parent to the cinema, for example, for the sake of the kid's safety which is then supposedly not at as high of a risk or whatever. so wouldn't a mom reading some bl along with her daughter probably indicate more parental control/monitoring of the content to the benefit of the girl's safety?). i'd say the latter is actually more appropriate in comparison to the first since real people aren't showed and so whatever sex stuff that's possibly going on is presumably not as explicit. i wonder if you or someone else with the same view would react this way if the mom and girl were watching something like game of thrones together? idk the age of the girl in your screenshot but she looks old enough to read some bl/yaoi without it somehow harming her. unless they're actually sitting there gooning together, this is at most just awkward and a little weird. goes without saying that if the context was a dad instead of a mom and daughter anything like this would obviously be a whole different story.

No. 2238050

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>>2235654
I'll share my answer to my own question. What I hate the most about the FNAF fanbase is honestly the sheer amount of gendietards, including TIFs. Why are the so many fucking gendietards and TIFs in here? Why do they like drawing top surgery scars on William like they wish he was a biological female? It's so gross to me that of all characters, they picked the fucking child murderer to project their TIF shit onto. Like seriously, Aidens want fucking William to rep them? I'm so tired of going through fanart of the human characters and finding surgery scars on the males. The majority of FNAF's core lore takes place before the 2000s even started, and specifically in the state of Utah of the USA. The odds of this nigga being a tranny supporter is less than 1%. Come the fuck on, he's more likely to be a faggot than a tranny-lover or a tranny himself.

No. 2238079

>>2235654
I'm black and I hate race swapped fanart, especially if the "artist" make them ugly. And I've noticed it's always the dumbest characters getting swapped, like what are you implying?

The 90s was a high point for #black# characters and I fear we will never see that again

No. 2238246

>>2238079
Same here, I’m starting to dislike race swapping as well. I could’ve sworn it didn’t use to be like this before, anyone else remember the race swap art of the Disney princesses? Like, people get so twisted over characters that aren’t even human having different skin colours ffs. It’s sucks too because some people actually put effort into it and it’s still an interesting concept.

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>>2238246
tbh the Disney race swaps were about "what if this Disney movie was set in this different country/culture" current race swaps are just making characters black for brownie points. If someone made this edit nowadays people would be screaming about making Tiana anything other than black when it's not about making the characters the most oppressed races possible for "diversity" but changing around things for fun without any other consideration

It's kinda like genderbending vs redesigning and calling characters trans, the former was made for fun, now it has political intention

No. 2238268

>>2238259
these race swaps actually require took effort to adapt the art style, most of the twitter race swaps are way too hyper realistic with features, so that they come across as a racial caricatures

No. 2238274

>>2238268
On that note, why do woke twitter artist feel the need to shove in as many stretch marks and body hair as humanly possible? Hadn't these people learn that less is more? You can just imply it but that's racist I guess.

No. 2238284

>>2238079
personally as a black woman i love race swapped content and always have because it gives me inspiration for cosplay especially when they give them curly hair or braids. I think Twitter just ruined it because twitter ruins everything. People pretend to not understand why black people who like anime would want a character that looks like them. How many white girls love sailor moon because she is also a blue eyed blonde? MANY. How many white people love FF series because the characters look like them. MANY!! My sister who dgaf about anime even bought me a race swapped sailor moon print because "it looked more like me". As a person who has liked anime since i was a child and I am now in my 30s I geniunely thought anime would be more diverse by now. Especially after seeing anime like FMA with major characters being white. Its actually insane how much content has regressed since I was a child and I actually pity black girls nowadays all we get is Carole from Carole and Tuesday as new anime rep. . The rest of our anime rep is from older series with usually one off characters. You can say "well black people should make their own things". they are right now and I cant wait to enjoy them. Black women are barely represented in media and when we are its met with EXTREME pushback by everyone. Most black representation in anime,video games and all around nerd media goes to the black men. Hell most customizable black hairstyles are black MALE hair styles. Black women get nothing or like maybe 1 character if we are lucky. So if I see a black female version of a character I just assume its a black woman who just wants to feel represented by the things she loves and leave her alone.

No. 2238287

>>2238274
>>2238274
maybe you just follow artists that are making fetish content disguised as representation. Because non of the race swapped characters ive seen has stretch marks. They usually just darken the skin and add a fro.

No. 2238307

a lot of ethnic groups barely get rep in anime, idg why the discussion is always focused on black people specifically not having a lot of representation in japanese media

No. 2238320

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>>2238307
Neither, I think everyone of any race and ethnicity should have media that they can connect with, but I feel like anime is viewed through a American lense and I think the current amount of black representation in anime and manga is pretty expected because of the population, I wouldn't be mad at more black women in anime but this is media made by a group of people who are xenophobic towards other East Asian let alone the rest of world. Arguably most "white" characters in Japanese media is just a Japanese person with eurocentric features (or hair eye/colour in media with characters with rainbow hair, I don't think Satoko from Higurashi is supposed to be white and I certainly don't view her as such)
Like for comparison I'm from Australia and we don't really have any African representation nor do many people expect it because we really don't have the population size for it, you're far more likely to see Australian Aboriginals and Arabic people as a result of the general population.

No. 2238322

>>2238307
Yeah I don't get representation anywhere and my ethnic group is always confused with completely unrelated ones all the time even in the news, politics, when people try to be racist and call us the wrong names half of the time, etc. Even when SJW try to care they get it wrong and try to justify themselves instead of looking things up online. I can't bring myself to give a single fuck when other minorities complain that they're represented everywhere but not in that one specific anime in that one specific way, unless if it's to complain about absurd shit like the recent light novel with a main character being from Latin America and whose first name is Latina.

No. 2238335

>>2238307
maybe because black people are just more vocal and we speak out when we see blatant favoritism and racism. From my experience other minorities see themselves in white and asian characters. And barely call out lack of representation until they see black people getting represented. Then suddenly its "where is our stuff too why is it only black people uwu" It happened with black panther. Latinos came out of the woodwork to complain same with Miles Morales even though he is afro latino. Its not black people's fault that when we see injustice we call it out no matter if people get pissy about it.

No. 2238345

>>2238322
>>2238335
when black people get represented in anime its 9/10 a literal minstrel show up until very recently. thats why it was called out. Black artists also often do race swaps not to be dickheads but to prove that it is not hard to draw black people in the anime style.9 It is not our fault other races dont take their minstrelsy in media seriously enough to call it out when they see racism and harmful stereotypes but instead turn it into a joke themselves because they dont want to be seen like those "woke blackies". TLDR fight for your right to be represented in media. Black women wouldve never gotten Carole and Tuesday if we werent vocal about our love for anime all over social media..

No. 2238347

>>2238345
>Black women wouldve never gotten Carole and Tuesday if we werent vocal about our love for anime all over social media..
No, the director is a westboo and tends to write actual characters and not stereotypes so it would have happened either way with this guy.

No. 2238351

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>>2238345
Isn't Carole and Tuesday in the Cowboy Bepop universe? I haven't watched Bepop in ages but I feel like Carole and Tuesday would have happened anyways.

No. 2238357

Being entitled to be represented in some foreign cartoons from a country that isn't even historically connected to it much is just weird to me imo. It would make more sense if there was a bigger number of filipino characters in anime than black, latino, etc.

No. 2238364

>>2238345
>It is not our fault other races dont take their minstrelsy in media seriously enough to call it out when they see racism and harmful stereotypes
You must have read my post a little too fast because I said I don't get any representation AT ALL in anime. How could anyone take something that doesn't even exist seriously? The other examples from my posts weren't even from pop culture but about how info about my ethnic group isn't even accurate in the news or actual studies. And you're talking about anime but you should focus on the root of your problem, either manga or light novels, because most anime are just adaptations of established series. You're just one person so it might not work but if you really care you should try to financially support manga with representation you see as accurate or respectful, advertise them by, idk, posting about them online for instance, so they can get an adaptation later. And hopefully by a good studio but that's another issue entirely.

>Black artists also often do race swaps not to be dickheads but to prove that it is not hard to draw black people in the anime style.

They're not nearly as visible as the 14yo white American SJW who uglify is that even a word Black characters on purpose when drawing them because "muh representation" means that ugly people are participating in the oppression olympics to them. Which brings me to this >>2238287 I'm sure the anon you're replying to was talking about when "artists" make a character Black and then make them as ugly as possible because they don't want to give too many unattainable eurocentric beauty standards expections to Black people. I'm not sure how things are now but that was a huge trend before the pandemic.

No. 2238372

>>2238357
Eh, burgers
>>2238322
>the recent light novel with a main character being from Latin America and whose first name is Latina.
Kek that's so dumb it's endearing

No. 2238383

>>2238284
>How many white girls love sailor moon because she is also a blue eyed blonde? MANY. How many white people love FF series because the characters look like them. MANY!!
i think they just like the shows and characters, lol.

No. 2238396

>>2238357
This is such an american mindset too I'm american, but it pisses me off. "Why arent there ore xyz in Japanese anime?" i dunno, nimrod, probably because it's Japan and they dont give af about representation like americans are obsessed with.

No. 2238398

>>2235681
I grew up watching MITM and never met anyone who hated Lois. Both parents and kids liked her from my experience. It show cased how unreasonable a lot of the sons were, especially Francis.

No. 2238400

>>2238396
all i am going to say is when anime was created it was inspired by western animation AKA DISNEY which is AMERICAN animation. During that time Disney was still depicting black characters as racist charicatures so obviously when Japan became more globalized and inspired by animation they would depict black characters OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL as minstrel characters. Black people saw this and kept seeing it and wondered "If you are going to represent us try not to be racist af about it" To which some artists have obliged. I no longer care to be represented in anime as I just follow and subscribe to black artists and support them directly. I just need for when anime to finally depict black people to not use imagery from the fucking early 1900s

No. 2238402

>>2238400
>to not use imagery from the fucking early 1900s
they rarely do it anymore though…

No. 2238404

>>2238402
yeah because black people complained and showed them how to draw them correctly using RACE SWAPPED CHARACTERS

No. 2238407

>>2237256
The way scrotes seethe about women being into Nanami is just calling themselves out. It's too hilarious.

No. 2238409

>>2238345
what >>2238351 said, watanabe is a very rare exception, he is both a westaboo and a japanese marxist who, unlike the vast majority of japanese manga/anime authors, who basically appropriate western aesthetics, actually seems to understand western culture and complexity beyond its aesthetics and his works often include his politics

No. 2238416

>>2238383
lol yeah, tbh I don't really get this idea of whether you're represented in some fashion within media being integral to your ability to enjoy and relate to it/its cast of characters in general. when I was a kid I certainly didn't favour media that was 'for' me or reflected me, and as an adult I love enjoying media from all over the world by and about people unlike myself. the only media I struggle to relate to is ironically stuff that's designed with self-insertion in mind kek

No. 2238417

>>2238404
Were they doing that up until mid-late 2020? Because that's when raceswap art got big. I'm not going to deny that Japan has racist depictions of black people, dakkon-chan comes to mind, but I'm skeptical of the supposed reasons you've presented that changed the landscape of anime, a form of media made by a country that notably dislikes outsiders with a few exceptions in the westaboos and international history autists.

No. 2238422

>>2238400
>>2238404
they draw black people like that because the little black sambo is huge in japan, and the more normal looking black characters are typically done by japanese artists that like western media and are clearly inspired by it like kohske. my hero academia black edits haven't influenced shit

No. 2238433

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>>2238345
>wah why doesn't my ethnic group that makes up 0.0001% of the population in Japan get more representation!?
>[provides example]
>no not like that!

No. 2238447

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>>2238079
I like them if they're not ugly or meant to insult/attack anyone. I really don't care about the anti-woke debatefags' arguments about muh representation bad and "blah blah blah it's woke" because they always end up bashing innocent black people regardless. Nothing is harmed by drawing a cute black girl version of some character or editing a picture except some racist sperg's feelings. I also don't mind it being done the other way around, unless (again) it's ugly or done as an insult/attack. Interestingly, people only ever seem to draw black characters white because they want to attack others and get into a slapfight, not because they want to reinterpret the character's design in a different culture or anything fun like that.

>>2238259
I'd like to see edits and fan art like that with more characters, but people are too dumb and hateful to have fun anymore.

No. 2238478

>>2238357
Colonizer mindset except instead of through force it’s done through guilt tripping kek

No. 2238490

>>2238357
>America and Japan
>not historically connected
>anime
>not historically connected to America
Anon, don't be a retard kek. I'm not American and even I know this.

No. 2238494

>>2238490
is Africa connected to Japan?

No. 2238497

>>2238494
Is Africa a country?

No. 2238504

The only countries getting representation in Japan are France, Germany, Italy and Britain, they don't give af about the other whites either, maybe 1 or 2 short scenes with a huge murican moid talking in weird English, but that's it (plus the reason they chose those countries isn't exactly nice and woke either kek)

No. 2238507

>>2238504
I think they only like the UK because of the Victorian/lolita aesthetic, but France is legit very romanticised in Japan. Apparently there's a syndrome for Japanese people who go there and experience culture shock because it's not as great as they expected.

No. 2238516

>>2238507
there was an academic article I read some years ago that addressed this, but basically japanese don't have an idea about france after the 1700s century and even the time frame they are familiar with is not that accurate either, there are stories of japanese people going to france in the 60s and and being dissatisfied that it was just a city, instead of people wearing crazy fashion or being disappointed the french aren't wildly sexual

No. 2238517

>>2238504
Russian/half-russians are kind of common too.

No. 2238519

>>2238517
But more for the blonde look, not so much the language and setting

No. 2238520

>>2238517
but with japanese fathers

No. 2238523

>>2238504
> they don't give af about the other whites either
Wrong, sometimes you'll read something or watch an anime and suddenly a guy who suspiciously looks like Mads Mikkelsen will appear. Here's your Danish representation.

No. 2238524

>>2238523
give me three examples

No. 2238525

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I'm assuming the black anons talking about the anime representation thing are American, so what does Africa have to do with the anime discussion? If we want to look into it, there is some historical connection that continues into the modern day between the two re: trade and the like, and there are enough Nigerian and Ghanaian people living there to account for a population of blasians like Mendy Sakiguchi, but I don't think Africans care that much about Japanese anime/pop culture. /pol/tards are so weird.
There are also the half-Japanese half-Congolese children that Japanese moids killed and/or abandoned after impregnating the women there while on "mining trips", but that's a dark aspect of history. Reposting to spoiler

No. 2238526

>>2238307
idc what anime i'm watching they're all speaking japanese and they're all japanese to me

No. 2238532

>>2238507
It’s funny, I knew a Japanese girl who visited France she said she was shocked that Japanese pastries you can buy in the subway were better than the ones she had in Paris

No. 2238534

>>2238525
do you expect every type of ethnicity to be shown in anime? would you also demand representation on a cartoon from any other random ass country? Japan is not America where it's expected of being multicultural country and it is kind of odd you're being whiny over a mostly homogeneous country

No. 2238536

>>2238534
? I didn't say any ethnicity "should be shown" in anime. It's just weird to bring up Africa when it's irrelevant to the entire subject kek, take your meds and stop projecting.

No. 2238542

>>2238540
Literally, they are cartoons.

No. 2238543

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>>2238504
>>2238517
reposting from another thread, "white" people in the vast majority of japanese media are people who are culturally japanese and have dyed blonde hair, but that's as far as it goes, white people in most manga/anime are just japanese people in white face

No. 2238545

>>2238523
Just on top of my head, and this also includes vidya but Mads Mikklesen himself was in Death Stranding and Hideo Kojima has a gay crush on him, one of the rapist yakuza in one of Scarlet Beriko's manga and I dropped the manga because of him he looked far too realistic compared to the other characters and it cracked me up everytime he was there so I couldn't take the story seriously anymore, and Nanami from JJK is like 1/4 Danish for no reason and he's still naturally blond with an exotic face and high cheekbones despite being younger than Gojo, you can already guess why. Speaking of JJK, still related to other anons' point, there's a plot point that there are a lot more sorcerers in Japan than anywhere else for reasons explained later but we still have:
>a Kenyan(?) guy who just does his thing I'm still not getting over him showing up in the last arc, doing nothing, calling Gojo racist and leaving kek
>some white guy with a French name who's always with him
>a half American, half Japanese girl who has powers because of her American dad
>a French weaboo who's also Gege's self insert so he assaults his editor as soon as he shows up on screen for the first time
>who tf knows where Mei Mei and Ui Ui are from at this point, I sure don't

No. 2238546

>>2238545
Wait I wanted to quote >>2238524

No. 2238551

>>2238523
Same as here >>2238519
Now it no longer is as extreme but in the 80s to 00s so much that wasn't about school/slice of life/magical girls was set somewhere in central europe (often castles) and had characters of those countries and sometimes even the entire thing had names in the language of those countries

>>2238543
That's not what we're talking about tho, have you seen something like Trinity Blood? There were many with clearly everything and everybody set in the "main" european countries

No. 2238557

>>2238551
I said most japanese authors, there are exceptions like watanabe

No. 2238561

>>2238557
samefag, kek at using at fucking trinity blood as an example accurate western representation by japan

No. 2238564

>>2238557
Everybody can tell an actual white character from a japanese character who happens to have unrealistic hair, skin and eye color, anon. Black people want something like >>2238551 to happen for them too, something in which black people are the important main characters and not just a joke on the side.

No. 2238576

>>2238543
Agreed, Japan definitely likes aping white aesthetics (especially historical ones), but they don't exactly sideline themselves.
It's the same way a lot of hapa women seem to become models or actresses, but it's also not uncommon for them to be bullied and treated like outsiders. I think an interesting analog is how in the US, Doja Cat has talked about growing up getting bullied for being half-black by all the white kids in her neighborhood, and still gets seethed at by racists today, but also became a world-famous American pop star for her skills crossed with her looks. I doubt it means Japan "worships" white people/culture any more than the US "worships" black people/culture (ig genuine interest/fascination that might veer into fetishization/commodification if overly shallow are better descriptors). I think most people like what's both familiar and different.

No. 2238582

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>>2220304
>>2220320
>>2220324
During the early 2010s, Null's old (girl)friend revealed to an entire forum of people chatlogs where he admits to masturbating to 'neko shota'. He goes onto corroborate these messages by giving the context of "I was 14 and thought I was gay", picrel is what I'm describing since one nona asked for receipts. To be honest, I'd argue he's done more questionable things that not many people mention, since 'neko shota' waaaay more memeable by a long shot. The one that I'm thinking of is when he wrote a vore fetish story for the same gal pal he knew, involving her being an elementary schooler eating people.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that Null, and to a larger extent kiwifags, primarily seem to hate anime culture and its obnoxious fanbase and project that in the form of hand-wringing over 'problematic content' in fiction. In other words, take what he and other kiwifags say with a grain of salt.

No. 2238586

>>2235654
Can't narrow it down to a single one, there's just too many. The coomers, lolicons, trannies, both left and right wing extremists, posers, autists who don't know how to talk to people, retards who call anyone who doesn't agree with everything they say and doesn't want to jerk off to the characters a tourist…I pretty much just want to enjoy things solo now because it's so rare to meet a fellow sane person into the same things especially when you're in fandoms with a high percentage of scrotes and genderspecials. Applies to most of my favorite things unfortunately

No. 2238589

>>2235748
Yeah, fandom police and anti/pro wars are insane. I blame the Voltron fandom for spawning this.

No. 2238590

>>2237256
>i would've unzipped nanami's pants and showed shibuya a real incident

fucking kek

No. 2238606

>>2238582
so this is why null is still childless and unmarried despite being a tradfag, he's a closeted homo like all retvrn moids

No. 2238626

>>2235943
yaoi is just a gay cartoon soap opera i used to watch cringe mexican soap operas with my mom that were way more raunchy, and they were also sexist to top it off

No. 2238638

>>2235654
i have so many grievances with mine but if i had to summarize the single thing i hate most about it, it would be that it got coopted by hollywood and turned into something very different from the original media, and became a whole franchise like an MCU, all of which influenced the fandom and general perception of the media in question very negatively. that and that it's full of retarded racist moids.

No. 2238642

>>2238589
I'd personally argue that the worst of fandom culture goes all the way back to Supernatural, those lunatics were SO parasocial compared to other fandoms at the time.

No. 2238647

>>2238383
This, plus the blonde hair was because she's from the moon, not because she's meant to be white or whatever. Wasn't silver hair considered too?
Anyway, this push for self insertion and having characters look "just like me" seems unhealthy. I see kids cartoons nowadays push this idea and it always comes off as such cringe literally me ebony darkness dementia way every time, the idea of creating a character that isn't just you seems like it's getting more and more unpopular, and discussion has suffered as a result since people literally cannot understand enjoying a character as a separate person that doesn't reflect you.

No. 2238650

>>2238642
No joke I can trace three different troons in my old social circle back to Supernatural fandom. One of them even named herself Sam after the Winchester brother. SPN fandom is legitimately unhinged in places.

No. 2238667

This talk reminded me of the recent discussion about dandandan and how black culture was carrying anime, despite the show being about yokai and Japanese urban legends like "turbo granny" and the human faced dog, having shinto rituals, traditional japanese fashion, and historically white aliens like the Flatwoods Monster and playing white classical music.

No. 2238670

>>2238667
Apparently in the opening Momo did a dance similar to Rihanna so now ddd is black culture now according to twittards.

No. 2238681

>>2238667
I attribute this all to typical Americentrism. People accuse white people of doing this but American blacks are no different. They (as in Americans of every sort) cannot comprehend that other countries are not as heterogeneous but also do not have to cater to their needs to representation or to tell "their stories." If Japan wants to tell a story about nothing but Japanese kids, then that's their prerogative. There are more south Asians in Japan then there are black Americans and Africans but for some reason these are the groups of people that NEED to be represented in anime, and unsurprisingly have had more depictions than said south Asians

No. 2238685

>>2238681
Why are you dragging Africans into your retarded cartoon fight? Are you a South Asian? Kek

No. 2238793

>>2238606
He's in a domestic abuse type situation with his true and honest wife, that being Kiwifarms herself kek.

No. 2238806

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>>2238307
On one hand, I don't expect it too and ideally, I want very little rep from anime (only if it's cool and aesthetic). American media, I have higher expectations. Either a well-written developed non-stereotypical black female character or nothing at all. Like I hate seeing ugly ghetto charterers in fiction. Imagine growing up with ugly minstral art in your media because everyone else on earth loves that slop. Or how every black token character is always a black male, and any raceswaps with him is never addressed and people don't mald as much over it (pic rel)

TL;DR good rep or no rep, i never want to see ugly bad rep

No. 2238817

>>2238685
Because another anon included them in the black rep talk earlier when the complaints are almost always from black Americans

No. 2238852

>>2238817
You mean >>2238534? They were randomly complaining about "representation" in response to a post stating Africans aren't involved in the whole thing even if they do have some connection to Japan, but no one said there needed to be Africans in the first place except them and you. This is a weeb burger (and ig South Asian) grievance.
Next, you'll be pretending people say Russians "need" to be featured in anime and it's unfair how much representation they get when they never even asked.

No. 2238859

>>2238647
i think it evolved out of not wanting to write a badly written character and the resulting cringe you get from reading it. The whole idea of staying in your lane is very popular

No. 2238863

>>2238793
We all know he's staying chaste for chantal, waiting for his queen to realize he's her prince charming that can fix her

No. 2238867

>>2235748
Worse yet is the weird radqueer advocacy shit that keeps cropping in "proship" spaces. There truly exists no middle ground anymore.

No. 2238873

>>2238867
I mean was it any surprise that proship discourse would lead to MAP advocacy?

No. 2238882

>>2238582
>Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that Null, and to a larger extent kiwifags, primarily seem to hate anime culture and its obnoxious fanbase and project that in the form of hand-wringing over 'problematic content' in fiction.
100% true and accurate. A lot of them are straight out weebs in denial trying to fight the urge, and you can bet most of them masturbate to the most degenerate hentai out there, then go on KFs to tard out about how much they hate all these freaks.

No. 2238938

>>2238882
Kek, it's very true nona.
Not long ago ANOTHER dm chain involving the site's coomer scrotes and their momson fics got leaked to the greater public. Really does make you think, eh?

No. 2238947

>>2238938
NTA but KEK, where can I read those?

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No. 2238989

>>2238882
dont forget about that underage girl who used to send nudes to random scrotes and they all kept it a secret to keep farming nudes from her

No. 2239057

>>2238989
And that was just allowed? What the fuck?

No. 2239471

>>2228911
muscle isn’t a male only thing lol
>>2222857
all those actors and they still sound like shit
>>2238582
I always knew he was a faggot

No. 2239667

>>2238852
and all you did was focus on how I included Africans. I'll calm my Nepali ass down if you calm your Djibouti

No. 2240217

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what is with wokies on twitter sexualizing what are clearly young male characters(often, straight up children) and wishing they were butch lesbians, I have seen the words "transmasc butch" and "forcefem" in those mentions and it gives me such a creepy feeling, reminds me of tims and tifs who sexualize young children

No. 2240218

>>2240217
he's not a child though, he has an adult body. are all pretty males without beards children to you? Are you the same person who said women who are attracted to 20 year old men are pedos? kek

No. 2240221

>>2240218
I'm talking about this phenomenon in particular, where I've seen 13-year-old anime boys described as "butch coded"

No. 2240225

>>2240217
That's not even a twink. Atp straight people and retarded women use twink to supplement the word faggot

No. 2240244

>>2240225
I actually think it's just an online socially way to say you like non-obese, fit males, because if you actually say you like fit males, you're accused of being a fatphobic fascist.

No. 2240250

>>2240217
ah yes cause children look like gymbros with abs and big pecs and biceps. be for real. now the forced tranny shit i can agree is problematic.

No. 2240257

>>2240221
At least some of it is because these people generally only consume childish media with casts that don't get older than 16. People also fixate on over-categorising their interests– you can't just find Character A attractive, you have to specify and list out that it's the transmasc butch energy of Character A's design that you're cooing over (or whatever other niche internet poisoned categories need be applied). Because of how a lot of these labels are treated in online spaces, I'm not sure if the people doing this even realise that they're applying a sexualised lens to a character that might be inappropriate if you think about it or don't see trans stuff as being divorced from sexuality. Basically, they're blind to how this stuff can look to normal or critical people outside of their bubble.

Your picrel seems to be people who were hoping for a tif (likely for rep reasons, gotta see yourself in all media after all) when they saw the non-beach/summer design for the character, then felt 'let down' when their expectations were foiled by the shirtless design not leaving room for that 'headcanon' anymore/denying them their representation. Some of them are also of course expressing their interest in a fetish, but they'll usually try to dress it up in more palatable terminology.

Moving away from your original question about sexualisation, a lot of people in fandom spaces (as loosely as you can apply that, anyway) these days rely on a 'first glance' impression of a character as their entire understanding of said character, then proceed to apply headcanons to that and get shitty/feel betrayed once canon reveals more of the character that disproves those things. For whatever reason, the idea that it might take eg an entire show to convey all that canon has to say about a character rather than a promotional image or introductory scene has fallen out of vogue.

No. 2240262

>>2240217
I often mirror the idea that most media would be improved if all the characters were female or secretly female. No' in a fetish way, more like I have such low empathy for scrotes that watching them filters the genre unavoidably to chimp nature documentary

No. 2240266

>>2240262
>or secretly female
tif ass comment

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>>2240250
I'm not saying that specific character is a child, but I've seen it happen with characters who are children (and even irl people). picrel are the examples I was talking about

No. 2240380

>>2239667
That's because I don't disagree with the rest of what was said. I'm just saying it's dumb to bring in Africans because they're unrelated. It's just a way to attack all black people without reason
>I'll calm my Nepali ass down if you calm your Djibouti
Kek

No. 2240555

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do you think this is true?

No. 2240579

>>2240555
No. And that's a very weirdly specific tinfoil. Highschool bullies collectively decided to 'invade' fandoms during the pandemic? wtf.

The internet is more mean because of the inventions of smartphones which gave normies internet access and social media platforms now host ALL fandoms, enabling anyone to interact with them, instead of the old days when we had our own specific websites and forums dedicated to our hobby/fandom/whatever.

No. 2240586

>>2240555
They’re 100% correct. Cancel culture has always been a thing within fandom spaces but these newbies who joined only made it worse. Back then, you didn’t have people trying to sanitize the behavior of these communities and at worse it would just be deemed as cringe, but now you have these moral brigaders policing everyone left and right and witch-hunting/doxxing anyone who goes against their personal values.

No. 2240591

>>2240555
No they were always cringe but I do agree normies have been too exposed to the retard side of the net and they should fuck off

No. 2240636

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>>2240555
this is the video they're referencing

No. 2240642

>>2240555
It's more that fandom in general became more of a social normalfag thing rather than being about enjoying the content.
A good amount of people nowadays find it too difficult to read a book by itself without following as many people as possible and reading nonstop ooc fanfiction that they don't even like. Rather than something central people have fun talking about, the original source material is nothing but a chore. These people being annoyed and complaining about the original content make those that were there for that annoyed too. Downward spiral, basically.

No. 2240755

I miss when people had real passion for the fandoms they were into, no matter how cringe it was. Everyone just consumes and consumes, maybe occasionally drawing some awful raceswap to virtue signal. But what happened to creating for the sake of creating? Like, being actually inspired? What happened to songs/remixes, elaborate AUs, animation collabs, group projects, etc? Everyone's too focused on proving a point and fighting instead of having fun with the source material

No. 2240826

>>2240555
No, all that happened is fandom types became more insane. Someone could probably do a writeup on how BLM/2020 era woke politics negatively affected fandoms too honestly. These people just want to blame normies because they're perpetually thinking about their highschool Vietnam war flashbacks. The only people sperging out and making callout posts are fandomtards who got even more radicalized and terminally online during covid. If anything it's shut-in autists using fandom as an opportunity to live out the highschool bully experience they never got to do.

No. 2241294

>>2240555
The high school bullies invading theory is just cope, how couldn’t they consider how rabid fandoms were back then, like Homestuck fans? Bronies? Anime fans in general? The ones calling for cancellations and whatnot were the kind of autists you’d see on tumblr and DeviantArt journals calling each other out, it was completely out of sight most of the time. It only feels like fandom has gotten “meaner” because people have mostly congregated to the same space and unwillingly interact with each other, the places where fans of each fandom like forums and live journal aren’t active as they were before. COVID made things even worse, especially for people who’re already shut ins.

No. 2241321

>>2240636
Samefagging but this person is definitely generalizing it too much, it’s not as if everyone was on tumblr. I’m not even sure what sort of discourse she’s referring to, it’s too vague and it’s not like fandom was a hivemind that collectively agreed upon things and were there to witness said discourse being quelled between each other. People were even mocking tumblrites back then and theorize that twatter got worse because of them after the porn ban. That normie kid was likely picking on her out of insecurity to hide being an anime fan like a lot of people did back then, I feel bad for her but that was a pretty normal thing.

No. 2241464

>>2240555
it's definitely not true. i think niche fandom spaces used to be kind of confined to their own forums and shit and remain unseen to everyone that wasn't looking for them. but now they're available to literally everyone since everything's shared on like 3 or 4 big social media platforms. and everyone is chronically online now, including normies and your grandparents etc.

No. 2241842

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Can someone spoonfeed me why games like the SH2 remake and that Mouthwashing game have such strong fujo/female fanbases that seem to live in a reality completely independent of the content of the games? I've only played the original SH2 and at no point did I find James to be a sympathetic character, but the recent fandom around the game keeps woobyifying him and turning him into this sad little pathetic kitten who was a victim in the murder of his wife, pic sorta related. Did the remake make him more sympathetic or something? And regarding Mouthwashing - I've seen so much cutesy fanart of the Japanese guy or the female character living happily ever after, but I seriously cannot stomach the game's premise for essentially being 4 men and a woman in a death scenario to even give it a shot. The fandom around it is so cutesy and I've seen fanart of these characters in sanrio costumes or being half-animal. I expect it from something like Genshin, but drawing a rapist with dog ears? Why?

I don't understand this recent obsession with taking interesting media concepts and sanitising to easy-to-digest fandom tropes. I might be a hater who can't have fun with fandom anymore. I just don't understand the point of being involved with something if you're going to be this ignorant of the source material.

No. 2241878

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>>2241842
It’s just the current state of fandom. It’s literally all so bad. At this point no one gives a fuck about the og source and makes these images for attention/updoots. I imagine people who make those images are irony poisoned teens

No. 2242305

>>2240755
that sort of stuff takes too long to create and requires too much effort for the audience compared to simple images and short text. Also a lot of people don't want to expend energy on something they can't monetize.

No. 2242365

>>2240586
its more like fandoms went from being too afraid to tell pedos to fuck off out of fear from geek social fallacies to banning people for acknowledging biological sex, we went from one extreme to the other

No. 2242526

>>2241842
I also only know the OG, I think James can be seen sympathetically but moreso in the way the game shows his spiral and depression than over the fact that he killed his wife in a fit of moid rage. At least that's how I saw it…

Plus if the devs didn't want a sympathetic reading of him to exist they wouldn't have had the Leave ending in the game.

No. 2242604

>>2240755
Honestly, I genuinely think it depends on what you're getting into and what the main demographic of that fanbase is. As >>2241842 mentioned, I think stuff that's supposed to be "gritty, mature, and deep" tends to get a fanbase of zoomers that spend most of their time fighting others for their lack of "media literacy"which is every zoomers favorite buzzword right now and then fighting others either over pairings or characters someone likes. It's like a battle to be the "smartest" in the fanbase.

But when you get into things with long-term, dedicated fanbases, you still get those elaborate AUs, group projects, etc. Its incredibly rare, but there is still hope. I recently got into a fanbase and it's mostly populated by older people who still make AUs, create tons of fan projects, and are all about consuming and discussing lore of the characters. I think it depends on why everyone is getting into something and if that certain thing is trending. Like with things like Mouthwashing, its just the flavor of the month game, almost like what happened with Fear & Hunger where it just gets populated with zoomers. But when you get into games/movies/shows/etc. with a rich history, you find a much more grounded fandom.

No. 2242612

>>2241842
FWIW I think Mouthwashing is good if you ignore the fanbase. The rapist is the main character, but he isn't woobified or portrayed as sympathetic. The entire game is about how he refuses to take responsibility for his actions. The fandom around it is unexplainable, though. It just seems like one of those flavor of the month fanbases that'll disappear once the game's relevance dies down.

No. 2242934

>>2241842
>>2242612
It's the result of fandom brain rot and reading way too much fanfiction

No. 2243178

>>2241842
Edgy media attracts edgy teenagers.

No. 2243265

>>2241842
Because he's a moid and sadly that's the treatment moid characters get even if they've committed femicide. I remember the same thing happening with Life is strange, almost every moid character was a creep at best or a murderer at worst yet they got woobified, victimized and yaoi shipped.
I also think people don't know how to enjoy something without needing to indulge in fandom bs anymore. Silent hill isn't really suited for husbandofagging nor yaoi shipping, both things that fujos & co have tried to force into any SH tag. They should share the 'who ripped this fat vape in silent hill' memes and leave the thirstposting for their fanservice animu.
It has always mildly annoyed me how everyone treats SH2 as this 2deep4u psychological masterpiece when he just killed his sick wife because he was mad he wasn't getting his dick wet and the nurses tatas triggered him. The guy behind the monsters design is a huge disgusting coomer with a huge eroguro women folder on his Twitter

No. 2243871

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curious, have your tastes changed as you've gotten older?

No. 2244023

>>2243871
Definitely, some things just don't hold up. I lost interest in anime and kpop, and I think I've lost the ability to be legitimately attracted to 2D. Western fandoms have more staying power for me due to superior quality and relatability. One thing that stayed consistent is that I strongly prefer music fandoms - probably because I can only watch a TV series or read a book a couple of times, whereas I can listen to the same music over and over again without getting bored.

No. 2244079

>>2243871
In some ways, sure– I'll find something new that I'll stick with for at least a year, but I've also got 'evergreen' fandoms that I always turn back to eventually (they're the sort that have been around longer than I have and have regular new instalments, so they both stay somewhat fresh but also comfy with older fandom charm and contributors). I'm not a rabid participant in any fandom though and tend to be pretty sedate with only a scant few parts of fandom bleeding into irl/my public life.

My overall taste in media hasn't changed much though, but I think that is because I was into more adult-oriented stuff even as a kid and just aged into it, and I also wouldn't consider myself part of a fandom for most of the stuff I like, since there isn't an actual fandom for it kek. It's just stuff I enjoy, without the broader community aspect.

No. 2244170

>>2243871
Not in the macro sense. Pretty much never strayed from anime/2D stuff. Specific series I like come and go but I'm probably never going to migrate to something like MCU or anything.

No. 2244228

>>2243871
I've definitely become more mature and choosy with my taste, I just stop watching anything that's perverted, exploitative or where the creator was a degen

No. 2244239

>>2240217
I actually was super disappointed to find out that this character was a male because I genuinely thought we had a butch lesbian character for once. But it's never going to happen, is it?

No. 2245002

>>2243871
Not too much tbh. Not reading as much shounen anymore I guess but that's more to do with getting tired of too many weekly releases rather than a few I liked.
I have started reading lns more since it's much easier to ignore shit community.

No. 2245052

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This would be stupid but I never saw any really headcanon random char as straight

No. 2245193

>>2241842
>I've only played the original SH2 and at no point did I find James to be a sympathetic character, but the recent fandom around the game keeps woobyifying him and turning him into this sad little pathetic kitten who was a victim in the murder of his wife
I think one of factors may be new endings in remake. I said "new endings" but they're just suicide end with added scenarios or something

No. 2245300

>>2244228
When I was younger I was definitely more willing to overlook things or simply didn't notice them. For example, I have essentially banned Director Ryan Murphy from my life since looking back on a lot of things I used to like (American Horror Story, Feuds, etc.) it's actually very degenerate in how it handles female characters specifically. It's crazy how at the time nobody cancelled him for making an underage witch character have the special ability to murder people by having sex with them and pass it off as yas kween slay media

No. 2245376

>>2241842
>taking interesting media concepts and sanitising to easy-to-digest fandom tropes.
This phenomenon is called "babygirlification" and it comes from communities and creators enabling it. I remember 10 years ago trying to explain to my middle aged mother why following #SherlockBBC is showing her mountains of yaoi, cat boy headcannons, and fan comics of him being uwu, and not just discussion/updates about the show she liked. Then slowly, over time, the creators started enabling the behaviour and encouraging it by absorbing it into Sherlock. They did it with Doctor Who as well. That used to be taken quite seriously until it was co-opted by fags

No. 2245428

>>2245300
gay moids project themselves onto young women

No. 2245437

>>2241842
women express sadism and hatred of other women by living vicariously through violent men. same as women dating and helping rapists or violent men.

No. 2245476

>>2245428
Ayrt I'm aware of that now as an adult who has a better grasp of what I'm seeing. As a young teen I was already knee deep in fandom culture and hadn't really made the connection that kweer approved content (the most popular content at that time) was inherently misogynistic, like to VICIOUS levels. Ryan Murphy also directed a show called Hollywood which I seen in my late teens. This realisation clicked with me when the wife/gf of the main character was painted as a dull life ruining bitch for being depressed about her husband becoming a homosexual escort and having multiple gay affairs

No. 2245517

>>2240555
There have always been nerds who fantasized about being the bullies, and that's what they do in famdoms

No. 2245541

>>2243871
I have barely any interest in anime and vidya anymore and mostly gravitate towards novels and tv nowadays

No. 2245740

>>2243871
Not completely changed, expanded significantly. Some stuff I dropped completely, others I kept. I'm way more picky with the new stuff.
>>2245052
Well, they would have to headcanon that, given most characters are hinted as straight in media. I will give them that at least they are admitting it's a headcanon, and not being delusional and pretending
> It's totally canon, you all should be ashamed for saying otherwise!
Like I've seen some do.

No. 2246918

>>2243871
My taste in media has shifted the more older I got with the most notable thing is my decreased interest in shoujo and shonen anime/manga. There's a few a like, but as I consumed more live action content, the more I wanted to kill my younger self. SPN hasn't been the same after the ending but I still wished I watched it when it was hot.
A bit unrelated, but for the nonnas that grew out of anime, do you still read manga at least given the industry refusal to adapt more interesting stories?

No. 2246950

>>2246918
I do but I’m much pickier about what I do read.

No. 2247183

>>2243871
I feel like I used to care about shipping so much more when I was younger. Like I was a lot more passionate about it.

No. 2247273

>>2243871
I'm a lot pickier. I used to jump on fandoms for their popularity, but I basically never do that now due to growing distaste in the twitter fandom experience.
I still like the same stuff I used to, though. I still love shounen manga/anime and am active in smaller manga fandoms. For anything popular, though, I'll stick to the source material and JP twitter fanart.

No. 2247378

>>2246918
i've completely grown out of anime, and i try to keep up with manga i started reading years ago, some from when i was in middle school even, but i realize how bad the writing is now so it can be difficult.



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