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No. 465358
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>>465306>>465346I agree anons! Nice to see other pantalone lovers in this thread… Even though there's not a lot of content for him obviously, and considering the current direction I won't dare to imagine there will be much once the time comes. He has so much potential to be a phenomenal and memorable character though. And I love everything about his design from the dark purple hair and glasses to the elegant robe. I really hope the death rumors aren't true as well, how would even the most braindead player not pick up on how jarring and strange that would be? And let me guess, to add insult to injury the replacement- I mean, daughter, would be an ugly coomwaifu with as much depth and intruige as a muddy puddle. If he is playable I'll instantly save and main him, if not hoyo can say bye bye to me logging in, I already started losing hope after capi. I'm such a pantasperg and that's my last thread of hope to care about this game.
I don't know if it's controversial or not but I like seeing him with arle. They would have interesting interactions.
No. 465374
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>>465358leak in picrel (uncle 111) says that pantalone has a chance of either being an npc or being playable depending on "market popularity" (read: hoyo's whims). don't get your hopes up too much though, because being playable doesn't mean he won't get completely screwed over character-wise and relevance-wise. if anything, i feel like being playable would make character assassination all the more likely because they have to aggressively screw him over somehow for the crime of being a harbinger. arlecchino's shitty retcon taught us as much, and tbh the sudden appearance of this "adopted daughter" isnt very encouraging, that definitely wasnt the original plan for pantalone. the same leak also mentions that he's irrelevant to the plot either way, and that the female harbingers will also be irrelevant despite being playable (to the surprise of nobody).
i'm personally not a shipper
and not very keen on how m/f ships with arle default to making her submissive even more than her fluffy-ass f/f ships, but i definitely would've loved for (pre-retcon) arlecchino to have more interactions with other harbingers. unfortunately it seems that the nu-team is very dedicated to not having harbingers interact at all, or to make their interactions a big nothingburger with a side of defanging (see childe and arle). compare and contrast bickering and passive-aggression even at a funeral during lazzo…i wouldve loved to see more pettiness of that kind kek. shame that's a pipe dream now.
No. 465376
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>>465358Pantalone fans have it the worst. Even the best case cope situation is just fanfiction. Assuming they really are saving the best writers for Sneznaya, and the B team is working on Natlan, and everything goes back to normal, that means EVERY 5 star will be a harbinger, assuming they all live and are all playable. Columbina, Pierro, Capitano, Dottore, Sandrone, Pantalone. 4/6 are male, which could mean the gender split could be equal, which is already unlikely. Then “evil” male characters must be redeemed but to do that they must be given screen time. Capitano must also be revived as Genshin cannot release dead characters for whatever reason. Even in the best case scenario, the suave, smooth talking, cunning chess master we’re looking for may be butchered. Just look at Ayato.
If Dottore isn’t playable I don’t know what I’d do. I save so much wish and I play ever event in hopes of getting more resources to c6 r5. But if they kill him in favor of Slutya, I really would cry. I’d probably apply as a programmer to WuWa same day with my full resume. Shit, I’d do it for free if it would ruin Genshin. Too bad I’m not a Chinese yume. Then they’d be afraid of people like me.
No. 465389
>>465376>Assuming they really are saving the best writers for Snezhnayanta, but the people who cared about the harbingers in any capacity left at the end of 2.x with the writing team change, and the new team has been trying to undermine the harbingers ever since. dont be fooled into thinking harbinger hatred is just a natlan problem, it's a fat xiao problem (3.x onward screenwriter). i should also add that the former head screenwriter wasn't just transferred to hsr, he flat-out left due to constant mistreatment from higher-ups, probably strategic negging so they could put nepo baby xiao in charge instead. the realistic hope would be that they go back to making male harbingers playable, but given the new team's hatred for both male and female harbingers, that would still mean either neverending humiliation or complete character assassination well beyond what anyone could imagine. you mention ayato not living up to expectations, but as an og arlecchino fan, i actually envy ayato's characterization since he still ended up more morally grey than her bleached retcon (even if his execution was lackluster). i really went through it because of how they basically 180'd her characterization and turned her into some generic angsty kuudere. i cant really offer you comforting words given the state of the writing team, all i can say is that i sympathize with you and that im sorry the harbingers are stuck here of all places.
No. 465400
>>465389Thank you for your sympathy nonna, I am also sorry that true Arlechinno fans had their character butchered and sold back to them as a mommy Mary sue. Even worse seeing people praise it. I am very depressed and anxious about Dottore. I plan on quitting during the next summer event where the motherload of primos will put me comfortably in c1 r1 range if he ever releases. Even if I get everything I want, the wait and anxiety would have soured my yume joy.
Above all, I think we can all agree we have been robbed of our time by their
abusive sunk cost and refusal to be transparent. We wouldn’t need to scream about leaks for years in advance if they would ever just speak to the players. None of us hate genshin and wish for its demise, we just want the good game we played all those years ago… I feel so cheated and strung along. But in the end, losing to hoyo is like loosing at chess to a dog, it really is my fault for expecting anything good. I wish I could pull a Kuro and make my own genshin, but even those guys are just gonna pump out waifus for their shit xerox of a xerox story. I want them to feel the same pain they inflict on the people that made their fandom. But the masses are stupid and complacent, Genshin wouldn’t die even if they released Slutya tomorrow. Total Honkai DEATH.
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The adopted daughter shtick makes me hopping mad. Men just assume that everyone has the same moe-rotted brain as them, so that the instant they see a cute girl they start cooing out over her and feel more amicable towards Pantalone. Well, fuck you; I don’t see women as little cute pets. If you don’t give me a genuine reason to like your newest waifu, like they did fantastically with Hu Tao, I’m not going to feel all soft for the pair of them just because “muh Anya-Loid ripoff!” I hope the little bitch burns in hell, but of course, they’ll probably make Pantalone sacrifice himself for her (despite having known her for 2 seconds or whatever).
No. 465534
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I look forward to the Sandrone engoodening, where they'll somehow turn the clearly unhinged individual we saw in the letter into a moeblob traveler loving waifu kek
No. 465562
>>465400ayrt, i appreciate what you said too ♥︎ i definitely agree with the sentiment of wanting to put hyv through the same pain they've put us through, and i also feel terrible for the old head screenwriter who's watching all his hard work be mangled to thunderous applause. i don't think we were wrong to expect better, and i do believe we could have had better under an old writing team unburdened by negging/honkaishitters. even if it wouldn't have been perfect, it wouldve been miles better than what us harbingerfags are stuck with now.
>>465465its from a cn leaker called uncle water who apparently called 6.x not being snezhnaya proper amongst other allegedly accurate leaks. it's kind of hard to get more info not being in the cn leak scene, but the person who cited this leak was also the only person ive seen who called skirk being playable in natlan, and in the same post they mentioned pantalone's daughter. don't let that crush your yume dreams though, the new team's vision for the harbingers is ooc by design and you shouldn't give it any more weight than you do fanfiction.
>>465534akshually, that letter was written by the previous sandrone, weren't you paying attention to the lore
nonnie? all the unhinged stuff was just baseless rumors spread by dottore to make his scientific competitor look bad. shes actually just a shy girl who wouldnt hurt a fly and cant talk to others because of anxiety, so she makes robots to feel less lonely, but really she much prefers people to machines…what, you don't think that's good writing? you think thats the polar opposite of what she was supposed to be? wow, i guess you must hate bleached—um i mean
morally grey female characters.
No. 465598
>>465562Oh that’s so terrible! I almost forgot about him. I know he was a moid but he was a moid with good ideas and he didn’t put his penis above making a good story for Genshin Impcr. He cared about his characters and his lore; and it must have been soul crushing for DaWei to force him out just for better coom. It so sick, how could Da Wei do this and have the nerve to cry infront of us as if he is a human being worth sympathy? I don’t mean to alog and try and start a witch hunt, but this man is evil. Were the billions not enough for you? Was our years of support and care not enough to line your pockets enough? You forsake your staff, your legacy composers and artists and writers, your fans, your own friends. For what end? Ego? Money? Honkai Impact 3rd? That game is complete slop! And I guess genshin is too. It might be over nonnas
>rumors made by DottoreWho wants to take bets Sandrone and Dottore hate each other instead of logically working together with their combined expertise. And she moral high horses against him, despite being a murderer. If he lives long enough to be spoken of.
No. 465622
>>465376I say this without malice nonna: if you expect playable evil Dottore, you're better off going to a different game. Otome games will have the evil guy you're looking for, but he's without a doubt not going to be playable in Genshin. Harbinger stans need to realize what you like is fanfiction. Especially if you're a yume, I would suggest playing an actual otome which would have the type of guys you want rather than hoping Genshin will give you a yandere evil guy.
>>465534The evil part of Sandrone will be revealed to be Alain, the man. The good part will be the spirit of Mary Ann, and she will be the playable one.
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Which of the female characters do you think would be considered most popular among LC users? And why? I'd be willing to bet no one here dislikes Chiori. We all remember how she made incels seethe. If MHY ever wrongs her, I know I wouldn't be alone in being absolutely livid about it.
No. 466117
>>465901Furina is up there.
Arlecchino would be too if they didn't rewrite her.
No. 466118
>>465829Really I'm joking but I'm sure theres not enough Dottore spregs in this thread to want to hear about it. Dottore is neither a yandere nor a psychopath. He has the unique lore of being the few characters who are both arrogant and extremley self hating. He literally kills himself for a gnosis. His own voices constantly admonish him and even in Scara's story he loathes himself. He pities others for not knowing who he truly is and compares himself to a demon, something unreasonable and undefeatable. Just think of the lore we could have gotten if Scaramouche was still allowed to be a character. Dottore confronts his envy, and how he wishes to be accepted by society the same way Scaarmouche is, despite Scara being the real robot and him being a person. It's due to his evil and selfish nature, and he puts his goals above the suffering of others. Not because he's a sadist or takes pleasure in human suffering, he just cares more about benefitting himself, or even society as a whole independant of the gods that seemingly casted him away. This isn't all fanfiction, this is in the lore! It's all true, direct quotes. That's why I'm so scared. If this new writing team ruins everything, even if Dottore is released, we may unironically get molesttore, who is subsequently ass-murdered by Slutya!
No. 466125
>>466121While I can't say that the gimmick of the whole evil yandere thing isn't nice, but I don't want the writers to fall for his flanderization! I couldn't bear to see it, especially if they fully retcon the fact that Dottore doesn't even know Collei. From Arlechinno's story, we know they aren't above using child abuse to steal sympathy, so I have little to no hope. Let my goon material just be fanfiction, but God forbid ever putting that in the story, or even having that be the wider interpitation. He has good and promising lore, a great story in the works, he's one of the best characters they ever written. I'd say he trumps Furina for the sheer fact he's actually done bad things. The hospital notes, Soreh's death, the hoyofair animations, the webtoon. He's my husbando God damnit! I won't stand for hoyo's slander!
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Not gonna lie, I hate that they're pushing Childe and Arlecchino as friends. All the moids crying about Tartali being a thing and not these two as a ship are annoying as hell too, obviously his ship with Zhongli has more content since its older, but most of the shippers aren't interested anymore. Feels weird to have him invite her into his home and to celebrate with his family, but I guess they're besties now and the Harbingers are really a big found family.
No. 466173
>>466171Well, I'm bored of only seeing Childe with his NPC brother and since they keep postponing Snezhnaya people would like to see other characters. They can only market characters from the same region or organization, it's not that deep and overthinking holiday art. Do you think Nilou and Dehya actually visited Carneval in Brazil too?
I understand the disappointment over Arlecchino but not for nothing, but you guys should get used to your harbinger fanfictions not coming true and at least move on. The writing was on the wall with how Scaramouche became playable. I think Genshin has done a lot wrong but there's only so much "where's muh evil psychos" complaints we can have before it becomes too repetitive.
No. 466195
>>466188Original Dottosperg here, the one with all the wishes. I will be officially quitting genshin impact. I realized I’m in an
abusive relationship with either a shitty video game or a group of Chinese Incels. This slop isn’t worth my time or my writing, my Etsy shop, my modding skills, none of it. I hope Da Wei is stabbed to death by a crazed yume after he brought back Capitano just to kill him for good. I watched this video and was filled with indescribable rage. Fuck the lore, fuck the descenders, fuck the fatui, and most of all, FUCK that shitty useless game hi3. Genuine terrible waste of time, the game has been going down the shitter since Fontaine trailer, I’ve just been blind. We are NEVER getting another male, an edgy harbinger or even an edgy character and they have been purposefully screwing with us the whole time! Im gonna make my own genshin impact (with blackjack and hookers of course). Sage for alogging
No. 466217
>>466195>>466208i'll have to watch this but
holy shit, you're into modding? it's so difficult to find people who aren't big booba coomers even in "sfw" spaces. that said, don't mind the shitstirrer, nonna. some people out there can't help but paint darker characters with the same flanderizing brush, and take the opportunity to caricature their fans too. it's a shame that us harbingerfags who enjoy nuance gets flack from all sides because of it. something something rise of black and white thinking among fandoms, but for what it's worth, i enjoyed your dottore essay. some people also don't seem to understand that we're not upset over "fanfiction", we're upset over shit that was
provably going to be in the game being scrapped/retconned in the most insulting way possible. tl;dr you're not wrong for feeling the way you do, and i hope you enjoy dottore unburdened by genshit.
No. 466220
>>466217Thank you nonna! Make 3d models and try to get into programming, I started off with Minecraft mods and moved on to Sims. I was working on a webttore mod for sucrose, since I kind of saw her as his daughter lol. But Genshin doesn't deserve even the worst fanfic from a Dottore fan. Fatui fans give so much just to be spat on by everyone in the fandom. The devs, the yuritroons, other harbinger fans, artists. I'm sick of giving hoyo free advertising with my hard work and love, when its clear they hate me. It's practically a meme when people on message boards say they'll totally make their own, better product, but if there's any others who feel cheated, I think this thread or another is perfect to share our fanworks or other projects where they'll be appreciated. Theres even a Dottore otome game on itch.io, but its sadly not romance focused. My first project shall be slutya, she really did win in the end…
No. 466616
>>465901>>466117agreed with second nonna, and adding that all the original plans for harbinger women would've probably been appreciated (or at least respected). as things stand though, beidou and ningguang seem fairly well-liked from what i've seen.
>>466220i'm a bit too paranoid to post any of my works on here, but i'll be rooting for you if you ever post yours ♥ your vision of dottore definitely sounds much more interesting than whatever woobification or flanderization the nu-team could ever come up with. i'll be sure to keep an eye out for slutya projects in the wild too kek, i have to admit a shitty satirical genshin vn/game would be pretty funny.
>>466436his voice and general demeanor both have something uniquely grating about them, probably the fact that he seems skeevy even by subpar moid standards. i understand enjoying genshin bashing, but just about any other critic feels more bearable than him.
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>>466620He is not rapey! If anything, he doesn’t like romance or sex, he killed a girl who had a crush on him because she made him uncomfortable and presumably felt cornered by his upperclassman. And even before then she describes him to be standoffish, completely uninterested in her. I have my own personal fanfiction, fine, I admit it, but I never wanted it to come true! I want him to be the character his extensive lore pointed towards! He has the most lore for a non playable character, is given dedicated animations, areas in the actual game, multiple in game quests all for him! I’m not mad that Dottore isn’t fucking lumine on screen, I’m mad hes not on the screen at all, and when he will be, theres a large chance he’ll be ruined. But I do agree, It was naive to expect a complex character from fucking Hoyo of all places, I’ll take the hit on that. But I was optimistic and assured by the quality of Scaramouche’s story, and the archon quest. Now I’m just regretful.
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And then I lost my 50/50 to Qiqi. Oh well, at least I got him C0! For now.
No. 466629
>>466625The Scaramouche quest made it clear he was the fall guy to get Scaramouche playable, and Arlecchino sealed the deal. This is why I was so annoyed when people were begging for Arlecchino to be playable when they rumored she'd be killed off, I knew she would get watered down if she had to be playable. Unfortunately himejoshi don't like evil women so they're happy she's this defanged because it means Arlefuri can be fluffy yuri. As if every yuri ship isn't already like this.
But yes. You can hype up a character for being evil or you can have a playable but you won't ever get both. I will blame Honkeks for making people think they make evil playables, because the only "evil" playables in that game aren't even that evil and the true villains are the men who of course are not playable.
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I want to roll for Wriothesely out of principle (when are we ever going to get another 5* male cryo? Never) but he’s so damn ugly (botched model, ugly neck scar, weird skin texture) and his playstyle is too boring for me. Sorry nonas, I must betray you all and roll for Furina instead.
No. 466868
>>466652Normal people DID play the game. It's why the incels had to launch their own gamgergate campaign to try and "take back" gacha. It's why the idiotic "gacha feminists" on twitter are such useful idiots for incels, because they can think that more female characters means more feminist.
Genshin DID have a normie audience and now they want to piss it away to appeal to ML incels. It's now confirmed that they don't care for their old players at all.
But sunk cost runs deep and the company knows this. I heard more female players in China have caught on and are boycotting Hyv, but people in the West don't understand the gender war or they're not savvy about how gacha works which is why they think that if you think Varesa's butt animations are goonerbait then YOU'RE the misogynist. How can you even reason with people like that?
No. 466870
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C6ed him, now I can go back to ignoring banners until a 5* male shows up.
No. 466876
>>466868The worst thing they can do for sunk costs is to devalue wasted money. If you buy a ticket for let’s say a racist singer and you can’t back out, some may still go just to get their moneys worth. But if they hear the concert is worse and they intend to extract more money from you, they won’t show up at all regardless of what they spent on the ticket.
When they reveal that night soul is completely fucking worthless in Sneznaya, and they are introducing some new mechanic that only Sneznayan characters have, people will call the game p2w and even more normies leave in droves. Western audiences dislike two things, egregious fanservice, micro transactions. The more they feel the game is just like “paying for porn”, they will flee to not be seen as creepy degenerate males. Other countries dont have the same shame. Once 50% have fled, mainly Americans, they will only double down on their scum. I can’t wait for the 7th nation to crash and burn!
No. 466986
>>466874It's why it's very hard to get Western fandom to realize the lack of males isn't a feminist win. They don't realize the fanservice has gotten worse. We always had fanservice but it was never this blatant and so consistent with every female character. You would even think the lack of any yuri ships in Natlan would be a hint, that they fully want to pander to incels so the traveler must be the most important. But no, instead if someone points out that Citlali is waifubait and they only show Aether in the promos for a reason, they get called a misogynist and they're the ones "reducing" her to waifubait, not Mhy.
>>466876I'd say they'd have to really fuck up some male character's story for fans to possibly get it, but then they'd be bullied by the Genshin feminists and called misogynists for wanting guys to be important even though they told us some of them would be. It's the scummiest part of the sunk cost for me. It's not just about leveling characters, it's that they gatekept the lore and true understanding of some characters for so long that many people can't quit. Venti has been teased since forever. Childe has been teased since forever, with only bits being dripfed, though given how his fans believe his treatment in Fontaine is part of the long game and not Mhy showing their true colors, I doubt they would ever wake up. We have Kaeya's connections with Khaenriah, watch that get dropped too. Albedo already got shafted for Wanderer, who himself could also get shafted. Dainsleif was already announced playable so they can't back out with him but watch them find some way to shaft him too.
No. 467174
>>467165Anyone still coping that Snezhnaya will be dark or the Tsaritsa will actually be morally gray is deluded. That should have been obvious way back in Inazuma with how they handled Ei. Ei should have been the wake-up call, but instead people defended her dogshit writing and said "you can't handle morally gray women!!" until they gaslit people into thinking her character is good.
The Tsaritsa's not going to be evil or they'll find some twin bullshit to make the playable one the less bad on. She's going to be healed by the traveler. The male harbingers will die or be made into jokes like Childe, with his fans still coping that he'll get his big badass moment in Khaenriah so keep playing the games guys, let HYV cook!! No one will learn a damn thing even though Raiden Ei, the killing off of Signora, and not letting Arlecchino be an antagonist in Fontaine and pulling a previous Knave out of their assholes should have been a sign that there will never be an evil woman playable in this game. And then there's still people hoping for evil and creep Columbina and Sandrone.
No. 467186
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>>465284I think Natlan (and by and large Genshin) is suffering a "death from thousand papercuts." Weird racebending, lack of male characters, the whole VA situation, sloppy rewrites, bad character design, Ryan Johnson style subversion of expectations (people expected war and dragons and got "friendship is magic"), unnecessary gimmicks set up to show how "special" Natlan is that serve no purpose and eat up screen-time that could instead be spent getting to know characters and setting up conflicts, Mavuika being way too perfect with no flaws or a character arc, modern technology that doesn't match the world of Genshin (Natlan in particular), blatant and fanservice, shameless power-creep… Just one or two of those things may have been tolerable but all this crap together is unbearable. Oh and I haven't yet mentioned worst of all: bunch of filler content we'll have to suffer though. Up until these point we had linear progression. But Natlan felt like a whole nothing-burger. We aren't going to Snezhnaya after this, the pyro gnosis is still in Natlan, so everyone brace yourselves for Natlan 2.0… Honestly if it weren't for the gameplay and past characters and stories that I have an emotional connection with I would have dropped this game after all this BS. If it wasn't for this year's lantern rite I would've thought Genshin team lost their ability to write stories.
No. 467215
>>467214After Firefly you can't put anything past Mhy. There's even rumors that if they do bring Capitano back and make him playable, it would be as a female character.
From what I can gather, the Childe theories relate to some leaked artifact lore about him being the third descender who's a woman trapped in a male form. It sounds like something Mhy would do to incite gender wars and just enough for troons to claim him.
No. 467226
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>Killing off playables
I don't think that's happening any time sooner lul
adding one of his sisters as playable is more plausible though
No. 467230
>>467221They already lost most of them and hate female players. Don't think them pimping out some guys on official merch means they didn't already screw female players.
>>467225Don't worry, they'll claim Sandrone because Mhy will do some fuckshit like claiming the evil side is Alain but you'll get good Mary-Ann as playable and she'll be grateful to Aether for freeing her from her brother. Varesa has troon colors so they'll claim her too and say you're a bigot if you think she looks ugly. All they need is to latch onto one line.
No. 467258
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My hatred for this ugly twink only increases day by day and is rapidly spurred on every time I see the most sub 50 iq harem/waifu content of him. I am baffled at how any male willingly self-inserts into this thing for sexual fulfillment, especially considering the plethora of more appealing/masculine men in the cast, let alone even manages to look at it. I feel like I'm going insane every time I see somebody, male or female, calling him cute or handsome or whatnot. I know I'm generally nitpicky and could hate on plenty of well loved genshin male designs but surely I'm not alone here? I just need to let off some steam kek
>>467226Beautiful image anon
No. 467309
>>467259The theories are that he's the third descender who was originally a woman. Either they split the characters somehow or they change him into a woman. They would take advantage of female players buying merch
>>467264 and then fuck them over later after years of getting their money. There's no way they would let a man be important to the story so I can see them doing some shit like this to spite female players. It would be stupid but you know the troon himejoshi would defend it.
No. 467472
>>467174The only reason I’m still keeping up with this fandom is because of Snezhnaya but if it’s going to just be more waifubait-land then it might be owari da…
I wasted $400 on this game for what
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>>467258Might be an unpopular opinion but I have always had a thing for jrpg protags that show their tummy, like Haseo and Luke so I like Aether's design. He is probably the only gacha male protag who has a slightly refreshing design. But yes, at the end of the day, he is just a self-insert for moids, so Aether hate is absolutely justified and based.
No. 467531
>>467258His tummy and little braid are cute
It's the moids self inserting that "ruined" him because that shit carried over in the game with the Mizuki and Natlan AQ
No. 467624
>>467583Thank you! He isn’t a character and I hate it when people try and make him some big martyr. We can just
go to the abyss, nobody is stopping him. According to Childe and Scaramouche, there are just holes in the abyss all over Snezhnaya! If he really wanted to do his one goal of finding his sister, he would just do that instead of having bath dates with dictators and playing stupid mini games with people he's an asshole to (Unless you’re a waifu. Remember when he yelled at Lyney for being a child soldier grooming
victim, and then we glaze his groomer, but we are meant to sob for Furina who’s been a jobless aristocrat for 500 years, and Arlechinno the slave driver. We cry for Mauvika and have a dance party on Capitano’s corpse, cultural appropriation headband and all.) The only people who desperately claim the traveler not only has a personality but is also getting sick of being the hero are those who want to constantly play the
victim for things that nobody forced them to do. Like self proclaimed “therapist friends” and moms. And the funniest part is that they are projecting when they do it! Almost as if Aether is a self insert who you project onto… The truth is that the traveler is a wooden doll for Incels to mash against a waifu when they get bored of large black men, ugly bastards and grey blobs. Because shipping them with a male character who is attractive and they have chemistry with is cucking but somehow everything else isn’t. I hate Aether. I would replace him with Lumine but then we have to defeat Yuritroons, an arguably worse beast than Incels and deranged fujos combined.
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>>467625That’s why I never shut up about my husbandos power level, I don’t care if they call me a misogynist, I got into powerscaling just to defend my husbando. Humble your local EiMiko fan today.
No. 467630
>>467624People want the traveler to be this complete hero but then also the twin stans lie and say they're not a self-insert whenever anyone criticizes the protagonist centric morality. The traveler can wipe out a whole village in Sumeru and the same men who cry about Scaramouche being "Hitler" will say it was based and justified of the traveler to do that.
The traveler is poorly written and reflects the double standards of the writers. They don't really want Arlecchino to be a groomer and the traveler doesn't hate her for what she did to Furina, in fact no one does.
Judging by your comment I'm guessing you think yumes are a lesser evil but I dislike the Lumine yumes and the way all males become rape apes. The traveler just sucks no matter who they are because it's the writing and the protagonist centric morality that's the problem. When not one playable can even dislike the traveler without being a villain, there's no saving them as a mc. Too many gamers only want to be coddled and they'll threaten the devs if their needs aren't met.
No. 467640
>>467213>>467214I'm not even a yume but changing a male character into a female one after they've been playable for years has to be some type of false advertising. At least with Sam they never made "him" playable and made Firefly playable when we knew she was Sam. It would be beyond scummy to suddenly change a character like this.
I don't know why its always women who can't have a male character and who have to accept troon shit. Nobody tells the moids to accept their waifus being turned into men, but joseimuke games have to introduce a troon character who's actually a woman, not a pretty male, and we have to shut up about it.
No. 467643
Even TikTok users are catching on! Just look at the comments.
No. 468182
>>468150Two words
>Mobile adaptation>The engine's getting old and outdatedCompared to HI3 it's still better, but unlike ZZZ, they refuse to revamp the engine to make the models better. We'll be forever stuck with noodle-arm Itto, I'm afraid.
Also kek, the jiggle physics in there.
No. 468247
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i didnt think i had it in me to be surprised by mhy anymore, but what the actual fuck is this? i was always told that genshit couldnt add limited five-stars to the standard banner because of legal reasons relating to gambling, and yet here comes honkaishit doing just that. meanwhile we're struck with the chronicled wish scam. i cant believe this shit. they really hate this game.
No. 468257
>>468247In a previous post where I dramatically spoke about how I quit genshin, it’s all on purpose. The want to put HSR, GSI and ZZZ against each other, each getting new events and QOL while Genshin jerks off in a corner. It’s like coke being ass so you move on to sprite, because they keep improving sprite, even though coke still gets money. You’re tricked into thinking you’re winning by switching to the new and shiny game. I often ask myself, why must they make every new QOL annoying? They could make things like sanctifying elixir and encounter points much more straight forward. But they know they don’t have to, and will simply give the proper QOL to the next game. They only want to raise the bar within the company’s already narrow standards. See how ZZZ was forced to fix their weapon banner because WW got rid of 50:50 entirely? The only way Hoyo will fix their nonsense is in the latest games, AFTER being threatened by another company. Even if WW outsells Genshin 10:1, they wouldn’t even add a resin reservoir. Genshin is a relic they can’t get rid of, only ruin so that it dies faster. They are purposely trying to make you pissed/quit so you go try out HSR/ZZZ/ “Hoyo-live”. Listen to them, and quit the game!
No. 468411
>>468247Did HSR fans even complain? Because it's basically Hoyoverse telling them to go fuck themselves for wasting so much on characters from 2 years ago. I also heard reruns didn't do well in that game. Meanwhile, Wrio and Furi both outsold onsen whore in Genshin.
>>468257At that point we just need a proper mixed gacha game or another non-LADS husbando game to put the final nail in Genshin's coffin.
No. 468500
>>468411I saw a claim that Mizuki outsold Mavuika which is insane if true because Mizuki's banner revenue was embarrassingly low. Genshin hit big profits during January when Mavuika's banner was running, but it was at the same time Citlali's was so it was two new limited units combined.
>>468413This. It's useless to pull based on meta on HSR because every single unit gets a powercreep two patches later. The combat is easy as fuck anyway and you can run through bosses with autoplay unless you're a NEET completionist so there's no point in trying to chase those damage per screenshot numbers.
No. 468613
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If there was one rewrite to the plot you could make, what would it be? I would minimize the traveler completely. There should be character interaction independent of camera-with-sword-kun.
No. 468629
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>>468613this might be too vast, but doing the harbingers justice. fully return to their og personalities as detailed in the excel leaks, and follow all the old writing team's plans for them (while guaranteeing playability for everyone). if we really have to narrow it down further, then i think my number one choice of harbinger to save from the nu-team's bullshit rewrites is obvious kek. but id really like for all of them to be treated well.
No. 468668
>>468257The problem here is they learn the wrong lessons from Wuwa and think it means they should pander only to incels who want ML. They want people to get into their new games but also can't finish the story in Genshin and need to prolong Snezhnaya even more for reasons I can't understand.
>>468411>At that point we just need a proper mixed gacha game or another non-LADS husbando game to put the final nail in Genshin's coffin.
This will never happen thanks to Snowbreak and the gender war that it started. I hate when people use LADS as an example because it's an otome game, it's a different genre, it's not relevant when people talk about adding more men into gachas that aren't dating Sims and are anime based story games. Japan can make mixed gacha games without this drama, but they're so bad at handling and marketing these games that they all go EOS rather quickly unless it's like FGO. Look how they fumbled Tribe Nine.
No. 468808
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Genshin just released loreshit and lorefags took the bait. They never really learn from disappointment. Worse even, they're bringing back the Capitano copium.
No. 468835
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>>468808I can't take this seriously anymore. What is this the hype-train for? Let me wager a guess, we will get not one, not two, but three slutted up porn OCs - each having the hobby repertoire of five others but the personality of none - for each of the moons who will be hapless waifus to jiggle around a completely shallow, retconned plot. Hoyo will fire off all the tropes in the world in the most uninspired way possible, none of it will make sense, not even if Ashikai tries to overclock her brains over it on youtube, but the background music will be bearable and the animators will work 72-hour shifts without a moment of sleep to make it look passable. All the gooners will applaud it with a standing ovation. Some chinafags will boycott hoyo because not enough "loli"s getting porned up, but it will be swept under the rug. I don't expect a lick less embarrassing than this scenario.
No. 468839
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>>468826Imagine being this delusional and thinking Dottore will do something else than be evil and die.
>>468835The only thing I'm looking forward is how it coànnects to Paimon. But since it's way too fucking early, we will only have crumbs that will end up being not important or retconned because some incel complained about male character having more than 2s of screentime.
No. 468842
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>>468838Yes, yes, PRECISELY, everything symbolizes the divine feminine, the holy mother, the fierce crone, the fifth dimension folding into the eternal and harmonious low vibrations of the in-between realm of the spiritworld, but only, and I said ONLY as long as they're also self-humiliating strippers who make my microdee hard.
No. 468861
>>468843They will also change the models and make Itto buff, Diluc will get cured from his Down's Syndrome and Albedo will be important for the Lore again. Let's not forget that Dainself will be a playable as a hydro sword that will be support for Kaeya that will get a buff and a nice new abyss outfit.
Varka will be a buff guy that will have an interesting rivalry with Capitano and there's going to be a cool trailer in which he personally fights against him outside Mondstadt while venti is hurt on the floor and with the help of Noelle who will look cool as fuck while fighting because she's more than a meido now.
No. 468885
>>468875I actually don't think Hoyoverse is good at anything except making wonderful promises. They promise updates, a good game, change, finished characters, racial representation (well they never promised that), and high expectations, longterm support. They can make a hundred promises and fill none of them easily, the company is so big at this point, people will just lie to themselves. They promise you a villian, give you an edgy hero, and people will just make up stories of her villiany.
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>>468880truth be told, scrotes will call everything from photosynthesis to the kitchen sink "feminism" except for actual feminism, so this checks out.
No. 468887
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>>468859Childe schizo theories are fun to read and laugh at, but I very seriously doubt they can do something like that with a playable character. I have not played Genshin in almost two years, but I remember there was a time when a semi-popular theory claimed that Childe and the Tsaritsa were lovers in previous samsara cycles, based on the description of Ballad of the Fjords and the Pale Princess fairytale. Childefags are some of the most delusional people because they keep trying to connect him with Phanes and the Third Descender and Jesus, and other things. Just today, I saw them trying to find connections between Childe and the Moon Sisters kek.
>>468808I don't understand how anyone can feel excited for the "lore" in Genshin. The game does not have any stakes whatsoever, and every other key player is the most generic, half-naked Mary Sue waifu. Since Paimon is being speculated to be the new moon, I suppose she will get a new form where she is dressed like a hooker.
No. 468889
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>>468867Search Childe and third descender and you'll see it.
No. 468893
>>468887I understand why Childe theories are so schizo because imagine being edged for five years about a character's basic lore. We know nothing about his time in the Abyss or his Vision story and Mhy withholds it on purpose. He's the best example of how annoying Genshin storytelling is. They don't provide any answers, just more questions, but they don't do this because it's good storytelling like Mhy glazers think. They do it because it creates sunk cost and keeps players from leaving. Although if they hate female players so much I don't know why they do this beyond sadism and contempt.
Childe's part in Fontaine is the Mhy formula. Don't give any answers. Don't let him actually interact with Skirk. Childe's character can't actually go anywhere until Snezhnaya, but instead of criticizing Mhy for it his fans think there's some feast waiting at the end. Making a character who was advertised as male into a woman feels like it must be breaking some consumer law here, but Childe fans are some of the most cucked and will be beaten down by "feminists" into accepting something so stupid.
No. 468897
>>468894The whole pedo thing enraged me. Child trafficking is only bad when other people do it, but Arle loves all the orphaned vulnerable children she kidnaps, brainwashes, abuses, and then turns into child soldiers that are slaughtered by the dozen. Lore wise, Dottore is arguably kinder, at least he's trying to cure a deadly disease, Arlechinno has zero reason to do this to kids! They wrote a morally reprehensible character but since she must appeal to men first and foremost, she must be bleached of all her evil. So at the last possible second they throw in an evil pedophile sob story. How dare you? It made me despise her and her fans. But you Nonnas changed my mind, and I feel bad for you, she was sabotaged.
No. 468898
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>>468889Get ready to be called a misogynist if you don't call Childe a she/her.
No. 468902
>>468896It's funny none of the Hoyo "feminist" yuri accounts mention that fact at all. If someone brought it up they'd get harassed because Hoyo is just a simple indie company trying to tell us good stories.
>>468897Then people get angry if you say Arle is abusing children because they like the idea of her caring for them more and Hoyo only leans into that. Her fans don't want her to be doing anything wrong. They want a slightly strict orphanage matron. That's not a morally grey characters but they'll gaslight and act smug like they can handle such a complex woman but when you look at the content of her it's just her caring for kids or being an uwu soft girlfriend to Furina. Nothing that makes her any different than any other woman in this game.
No. 468905
>>468899Seriously, CAN they even do this? I know Hoyo hates female players but considering they put Childe on art twice now to keep husbando fans from leaving, that would be beyond scummy to do. It's one thing to change a character from their initial perception before they're playable. We knew Scaramouche would become Wanderer and Arlecchino was already watered down. We knew SAM was Firefly before she was playable. We didn't get SAM playable for years and then they went sike! Actually it's a girl in there! I can't think of any gacha game doing something like this.
>>468901The last thing we need is for Childe to be hit by troons and become another Arashi from Enstars. This makes absolutely no sense, who wants this? I want to say there's no way they could do this but knowing how Hoyo is I can't dismiss that they would do this for spite. I want to say that it's a delusional troon but Hoyo just might validate it.
No. 468959
>>468891Kek yes, that entire thread was trying to establish a connection between Childe and seelies. It is funny because all these theorists still sincerely believe that male characters like Childe, Capitano, and Dottore hold so much plot relevance, while in the actual game they keep getting humiliated and mocked by waifus. Dottore got outsmarted by a retarded toddler. It doesn't get more embarrassing than that.
>>468893>Childe's part in Fontaine is the Mhy formula. Don't give any answers.Exactly - everyone was so hyped up for that whale calling to him, but then it turns out it was just a pet. At this point, I just wonder what will happen to Childe in the future. Why would they want to waste time on a male character, especially one that cannot help them generate revenue. Maybe they could give him an alternate form like Dan Heng, but that will never happen in genshit. They will probably replace him with Tonia.
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>>468959You don’t understand nonna, Dottore merely tricked Nahida into thinking she won. He can make new segments at the drop of a hat and despite him lack of knowledge of Scaramouche the ley lines would have just gifted him new, more profound understanding of how to make segments regardless of Ei’s prototype. So him erasing all of those versions of himself was extremely temporary and with the leaks of extra masks proves that we will see the creation of new segments in Nod Krai. Hes the man that outsmarted the goddess of wisdom herself! The second of the eleven fatui harbingers, a man made god!
No. 468993
>>468897Now that you mention it, yeah, when you put it that way Dottore was simply trying to cure a deadly disease ravaging the country by putting children through his experiments, not out of sadistic pleasure. Arlecchino had no reason to groom child soldiers by torturing them. I would've accepted and cherished an actually evil Arlecchino but you're not even supposed to see her as a villain like Dottore is framed as, she's just a wooby mommy friend who exists only to strap Furina self inserters.
>>468898Good fucking lord.
No. 469140
>>468889Oh it's this guy who also believes the endgame is Childe being with Ann, the oceanid NPC who's his destined partner.
>>468903They're already calling people transphobic for not liking this idea because wanting a character to stay the gender the company made them playable as is bad. So many are treating it as true that I want to stab Da Wei and I'm not even a yume.
No. 469150
>>468792>milking female audience and giving them false hope.So just like Mhy.
You are right about their games though, the closest non omnipandering game they have is Granblue Fantasy but even that game became a slog. Joseimuke gets no real budget or involves collecting cards and rarely branches out. I wish we could get an anime game that caters to everyone without throwing female players under the bus. Genshin was that and now isn't anymore. I do feel like Japan could be the only place to make a game that could shake things up, but they're so bad at gachas and managing their games that I don't expect much.
No. 469225
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>>468969So this is all a part of Dottore's 5D chess, galaxy brain strategy. It all makes sense now, I KNEEL.
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>>469150>BRUH NIGGA SO PEAKShonentards never get the memo kek
No. 469400
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Lorefags, I have a genuine question. How many questions in the genshin lore have actually been answered? All I see is that they keep adding things on to a mile long lore document with a billion open ends but nothing even has an ending. Has there been a thing they foreshadowed early on and then actually delivered on? There was Scaramouche being related to Raiden, but it was never a super secret theory.
No. 469499
>>468959This is why I'm paranoid they really will make him a girl. I can't think of anything else they'll do since they won't waste any development on a character they can't sell anymore. They'll keep his fans around with some merch, but nothing good in story. Childe lorefags couldn't accept that he was treated badly in Fontaine. If it wasn't his time to shine then he shouldn't have been there. It was just to generate some hype but they refuse to admit that he wasn't done well there, or that Mhy is under no obligation to actually give him a good story in lore because they only care about sales. They keep thinking that Mhy values this story so much.
>>469385I wish someone would just to get them to stop pandering to incels so much.
>>469400Nothing. This keeps being compared to lazzo and look how the hype from that turned out. We got boring harbingers. But people will lap up any slop Mhy gives them, so they think Arlecchino wasn't retconned. How do you reason with people like that?
No. 469593
>>469571Exactly, honestly, I want to remember the good designs of girls, like Noelle, she's cute and cool, there's also Ayaka, Barbara, Chiori, Diona, Qiqi, Klee, Kujou Sara, Sucrose, Xinyan and Yun Jin. I think they're the characters that I just can't hate because they're actually well done and have toned down coom aspects.
No. 469614
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>>469596>>469593Speaking of design, they're now getting away with a blatant copypaste of the pose and the JP VA.
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saw this getting throw around and kek, imagine being so up your own ass you're confused as to why your gigastacy biker mary sue flopped
No. 469679
>>469614According to leaks current Mihoyo staff is obsessed with Wuthering Waves now so we can expect more plagiarism, leaks are saying that Castorice in HSR is basically going to be a Shorekeeper ripoff and forced waifu like Firefly was in Penacony. There are also rumors about how they gave Mavuika her stupid bike to ape Scar from WuWa because they thought it was cool. It's like Chinese gacha game incest.
>>469632It genuinely baffles me how blind they are to the peoples' aversion to Mary Sues. Of course nobody would give a shit about Mavuika when you make her perfect in every way. I absolutely hated Ei but at least she pissed me off enough to hate her for being a horrible character in the story, for Mavuika I felt basically nothing because that's the imprint she left on me.
>>469641He's absolutely going to be resurrected as a waifu. Mark my words.
No. 469683
>>469679According to the same leaks and to the ending of Natlan's quest, he's likely coming back as the human incarnation of Yohualtecuhtin the lord of the night (female), since he fused with her to spite Ronova as a last minute asspull.
Watch yuritrannies and goonminists cheering up because "icky male got female'd we won sisters".
No. 469689
>>469634>mtf ChildePlease tell me this isn't actually happening.
>>469679This makes me despise Wuwa now. I know Snowbreak is the holy grail for incels, but the fact that people want all gacha to be like Wuwa with nothing but girls all being ML for a bland male MC makes me wish Wuwa would EOS.
No. 469693
>>469689Of course if is
nonnie, they’re going to make Wanderer a pooner too so they can re-release him as a girl to appease the cat-killers in China.
No. 469800
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I know we talk alot about Arelechinno being ruined, but look at skirk! Even if her old designs were coom at least they resembled the abyss instead of a honkai girl with a 2016 Roblox galaxy outfit. She looks like a royale high reject! Genuinely awful. The feared warrior is another short lolibaba. Citlali, they made you a friend!
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>>469800Nah. THIS was the real Skirk design robbery.
No. 469817
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Having a sister and being an Hoyo character is literally a death sentence. You don't get to have your own character arc, you're doomed to eternally glaze your sister while you yourself sit happily in the cuck corner. God forbid you get to show an ounce of personality or have any kind of interest that isn't related to your sibiling. This applies to Ayato, Lyney, Sunday and will probably apply to Childe as soon as we step foot in Nod Krai / Snezh.
No. 469855
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>>469817This. And aside from Lyney and Lynette, it is always the sister who is the sweet, approachable one with zero real flaws, while the brother ends up as the duty-bound, evil keikaku master working from the shadows to protect his sister’s smile. They never give the female sibling actual believable flaws, she is always the flawless waifu who only thinks about love and peace. I have noticed this with Ayaka, Robin, and Serval. And I am pretty sure Tonia and Childe will also have a similar dynamic. Hoyo writers seem completely incapable of writing female characters with realistic flaws. At most, they will make her a terrible cook (Therta, Ei) or a self-obsessed narc who cannot shut up about how kawaii she is (Elysia, M7).
No. 469996
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Genshin posts a few white day arts and one out of the three is the fucking robot dog. They truly do not give a shit about their female player base anymore.
No. 470005
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>Valentine's get Citlali (THE waifufag character), Shenhe (Token porny character) and Melusines (Token furry character)
>White day is literally who cares #1, literally who cares #2, literally who cares #3 (which is a robot DOG by the way)
This truly felt like their biggest "fuck you" to women so far. Guess I'm off replaying my favorite otomes for white day since I know the stream will probably be more waifu wanking.
No. 470013
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>>470010Normalfags are way too gullible. Many women are seeing this as a genshin problem, not a hoyo problem in general. I have already seen so many posts claiming HSR is superior just because it had the better White Day lineup, when the reality is that both games are garbage when it comes to how they treat their female player base.
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>>469996>Here’s your gift from a emo cabbage farmer who gets bitched by Aether’s whore>Here’s your gift from the uggo yaoi shill, with his creepy radioactive eyes>Here’s your gift from a fucking fake dog, because you’re a stupid bitch for staying here!Happy white day sisters!
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>>470010HSR still has more bishounen and hot men than Genshin which only has Childe, Zhong, Ayato, Wriothesley and…yeah that's about it
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>>470013As lolcow’s resident Sethosfag allow me to say that even I wasn’t happy with this. Just another disingenuous example of Hoyoverse using my poor boy as a disarming tool for moids after the whole Scaramouche birthday debacle. At this point I just wish they would forget he exists so I can live in peace.
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ifa
No. 470067
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>>470005The one-two punch of the retarded white day picks and revealing Ifa's ugly as sin design today on the stream. Wow. Are there any female devs left on the team at all? Whoever designed Varesa and Ifa should be shot.
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>>470065It's true, they do love ripping off things from the better devs
No. 470077
>>469869Preach.
>>470007They really said "here, go fuck a dog."
>>470067What in the smooth criminal… His face is actually really cute and his skin suits it, but they just had to make his outfit busy af and not even in the Tighnari way.
No. 470079
>>470067>anemo>teased for future patchesHe's going to be the token male 5
isn't he. RIP my savings for Dahlia 5. Not that I had any hope to begin with.
No. 470083
>>470077>His face is actually really cute and his skin suits it, but they just had to make his outfit busy af and not even in the Tighnari way.this is exactly how I feel, his fit looks terrible. how the fuck did we go from alhaitham and wriothesley to this?
just wishing he's a 4 star so I can get him with standard wishes now.
No. 470085
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>>470067He looks normal in the art, it’s just another Diluc, Albedo, Itto situation where the model is ugly but the art makes them look handsome. I wonder why only male characters seem to suffer this. What a mystery!
No. 470086
>>469850It sucks because Lyney was actually supposed to be yumebait, he always cared about lynette but he's also one of the male characters who was really into tabibito however of course the moids at hoyo got mad and turned him into a siscon.
>>470065I personally like the droopy eyes and the neck tattoo. His outfit is ugly
No. 470097
>>470096Kek, to make it even worse Ifa is anemo. We already have so many male anemo characters.
>inb4 but he is our first tall male anemo character!I literally dont care. Collecting only male characters sucks because i already have to many on field and offield anemo characters. Make it stop
No. 470106
>>469800People are actually hype for her. She's going to sell because Genshin fans love eating garbage.
>>469855It's a trend I'm very tired of. But then idiots on twitter also hate characters having flaws, especially female characters, because if you talk about her flaws that's misogyny. Now hsr will do the same "pure little sister, evil brother" with the Elysia and Kevin expys. Even the "feminists" don't want flawed women, look at how they ate up Arlecchino being defanged into a good parent.
>>469996To be fair, the Valentine's art also had random melusines. But yes, people are defending this which is why trying to complain about this treatment is pointless because it will be called misogyny.
>>470013The problem with hsr is they have good husbandos but they also treat them like shit. It's the same tactic as Genshin but no one ever learns. They'll become irrelevant in the story and in the meta, with some merch churned out to keep women happy, like how they're pimping out Aventurine. They will fuck over men who don't sell, like Sunday.
No. 470108
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Childe is now being called a "she" because of these theorists. I can't even say it would be delusional to turn a male into a female after years of advertising them to players as male because Hyv is this disgusting. Even if it's a theory it's already enough for troons to take it as fact and bully people into calling Childe a girl.
No. 470109
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>>470085>I wonder why only male characters seem to suffer thisyou have to be joking when characters like yelan, shenhe, and yae exist. they all look cute or beautiful in their 2d art but have horrible models, especially the faces. yelan's model was so low quality the devs felt they had to fix her nails after her release (3.4).
No. 470115
>>470113Also scaramouche, albedo.
Mondstadt - very focused on venti, diluc, kaeya, albedo
Liyue - very focused on zhongli, childe, xiao
Inazuma - the first region that's waifu dominated, but still we had kazuha being featured in every single event and the first inazuman playable character
Sumeru - very focused on most of the playable male characters, alhaitham, tighnari, cyno, scaramouche
Fountaine - very focused on neuvilette, lyney and alhaitham are also plot relevant
Natlan -
crickets No. 470117
>>470113This is why you have lorefags trying to say that Childe will revert back into a woman. They can't imagine a man being important so he has to be a girl.
>>470116>Not to bat on the side of the waifus, but has anybody questioned why they refuse to make good female characters?
This conversation can never happen when people think it's misogyny to even question a female character's writing. They don't actually want flawed female characters. Immature people want to see themselves as perfect, so they want to be a sad waifu, not see themselves in a woman who's fucked up. Even thought most of these yuricel gacha feminists aren't nice good people themselves.
No. 470125
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War and Famine have the nerve to sit upon the same horse.
No. 470132
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>>470074Whenever I see this guy I wonder if the designers saw pic related and got a very wrong idea.
No. 470141
>>470134>It's why I assumed Gege Akutami was female, I could not believe a man created Gojo, Geto, Choso, etc.What? Gojo is just a moid's version of a bishie, and he depises him for that. Not to mention he looks ugly as fuck in gege's original artstyle. Geto and the rest are just typical manly shounen characters and toji is literally the most blatant example of male hands at work. I refuse to believe a japanese woman would create a character like toji, he just oozes of tryhard
toxic masculinity. They're all characters that appeal to the male aesthetic, but mappa made them look prettier for the fujobucks.
No. 470142
>>470141>I refuse to believe a japanese woman would create a character like toji, he just oozes of tryhard toxic masculinityTo be fair
he either has a backstory of being a sugar baby, or would have become one if he wasn't a sorcerer, and the idea of a scrote assigning that trait to a character who is otherwise muh manly strong man is very funny.
No. 470155
>>470065>>470067I actually think he's cute. An Anemo character can at the very least hold VV to provide something to a team. My concern is we really don't need more Anemo healers when Jean is standard and Cloud Retainer also does the plunge thing. He'll need to provide something else to the team to really give value. In an ideal world he'd do Bennett things but I doubt they'll want to undercut Iansan so soon.
>>470074Oh come on, his design is nowhere near as offensive as this creatura. The design is clearly Steve Irwin + doctor.
No. 470161
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>>470145>>470151>>470156>>470159What do you get out of this game as a female player if not for the fujobait?
No. 470176
>>470116People have actually zero expectations for female characters, they just need to look cute and/or sexy and have a fun personality trope. Women into male characters usually have much higher standards so they actually have to put effort and thought into writing them.
>>470117>This conversation can never happen when people think it's misogyny to even question a female character's writing.Every time I try to have this conversation with other women defending hoyowaifus they just start bitching about how I can't call the bad writing out because these characters are their precious kinnies and totally just like them so subsequently that makes me a misogynist. I hate it so much.
No. 470195
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>>470189Yeah the retarded infighting isn't helping. Can we all agree that Hoyo baiting both fujo and yumes only to end up as a nothingburger sucks? We all deserve better than this
No. 470211
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>>470207>>470206Look at this incredibly well written male character with proper screentime/arc.
No. 470228
>>470151I fail to see why your post
triggered fujos to have a melty when we’ve already accepted this as hoyo’s strategy in the thread before
(fujo bait) No. 470233
>>470228I don't think it was that, it was calling women "braindead" that did it.
Then again, husbandofags are also braindead losers aren't they? This thread is about braindead losers who played this game together.
No. 470234
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>>470227>into shaming waifufag scrotes actually ruining the gameLel yumes there are constantly defending waifufags while shitting on fujos unprovoked.
(infight/bait) No. 470239
>>470234I shit you not, go visit Sethos' White day art on social media and see the comments. 99% of them is talking about sethoscara in a post where sethoscara isn't even mentioned.
As a yume this
obviously pisses me off but I don't go around blaming fujos themselves. If anything this sort of behavior is enabled by hoyo flip flopping between pandering to both yumes and fujos. Nobody is to blame here except them
No. 470461
>>470424Not really, the game is going full on waifufag galore while actively pissing on its female fanbase, see
>>469996 You could ignore anything past Fontaine and wait for Nod Krai but there's no guarantee it won't be scrote haven 2
No. 470462
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Slight blogpost but I got gifted one of these and while I really appreciate the gesture I can't help but shame the money that Hoyo pocketed. That and that the game still pretends to be for the general audiences while churning out waifushit in game, it enrages me to no end.
No. 470588
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I would unironically pull if they started making bishies with facial hair. I went insane for Gallagher.
No. 470619
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>>470618Maybe animu games arent for you, you should try AAA normie moidslop. It has plenty of boring men with facial hair.
No. 470624
>>470623>But these men are uglyso is gallagher. There is that ugly scrote from Limbus company too, i think his name is Gregor and this redditor from
>>470074 There is no shortage of ugly unwashed facepubed male characters in anime, we do not need more.
No. 470625
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>>470624Ouch, is it really such a universal hate? Also you called me out with Gregor, I was keeping that husbando under wraps because he is an ugly roach. But I guess I can see why some people want their beautiful men to stay beautiful. Like when handmaidens give Neuvillette an ugly triangle beard. (Shudder)
No. 470699
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>>470697I'd be mad about a five star Ifa too simply because I was saving for my boy Dahlia, and obviously nu-Hoyo isn't going to release two five star males in a row. Praying they just keep him as a four star.
No. 470702
>>470669>>470672One my biggest problem with Mihoyo's writing has always been that the writers room is too aware of self inserters (be it yumes or just the random incel) and fujos/yurifags to the point that they simply refuse to let characters interact meaningfully with someone of the opposite gender. Initially we barely got actual cast interactions and that got better overtime but still it feels almost forbidden to have a male character to have an actual important relationship with a female character and that be displayed onscreen.
We see little hints of it here and there, like Kinichi being a part of a friendship trio with Mualani and Ororon and Ctlali in Natlan or Neuvilette and Furina etc. Please, dont get me wrong, I dont want shipbait, I mean just actual normal interactions that happen onscreen. Like, I kind of wish we had seen Nahida and Scaramouche's dynamics for more than 5 seconds, I think the idea of her acting as his stern older sister is pretty funny and adorable.
No. 470705
>>470699Dahlia is so cute. Wont get me to redownload especially if he's just a throwaway 4 star but I'll enjoy the fanart from afar.
>>470702Yeah, I guess its because most people working at hoyo are otaku themselves which is why that awareness seeps through so blatantly to the actual detriment of the game.
No. 470722
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>>470702Nahida and Wanderer make up one of my favourite dynamics in the game and I say that as someone with 0 attraction to Scara; no prior investment, I just think they’re great. But oh, here come the fucking Chinese pedophiles to hiss and kick and throw poor Sethos in the ring as meat fodder because they can’t stand their Theresa expy interacting with a man onscreen (literally a dick-less puppet, mind you) for longer than 0.3 seconds. Scrotes, everyone.
No. 470790
>>470588Normally I'm not a fan of facial hair on these characters (Every wriothesley facial hair edit ive ever seen has been painfully ugly imo) but I think your picrel is actually cute, cuter than the actual ifa anyways.
>>470614KEK agreed
No. 470822
>>470682They don't want more male five stars in Natlan.
>>470702I think this is why some of the more fun, in my opinion, yaoi is ones not corpo mandated and where people ship characters because of potential or strength of personality. The fandom needs to spend less time arguing about what's "implied" and just let people do whatever they want. In this way I feel like older game not spoonfeeding was more interesting since what they do spoonfeed is very bland and safe. Even Arlefuri became nothing but the same stale yuri fluff after Arle was defanged. We had a nice brief moment of the dark fanartists going to town but of course Hoyo can't write yuri that good.
> Initially we barely got actual cast interactions and that got better overtime but still it feels almost forbidden to have a male character to have an actual important relationship with a female character and that be displayed onscreen. This is the same fanbase that couldn't have Childe and Yoimiya interact without people crying on both sides about being cucked. I don't care that much for m/f ships so no ships being canon is fine by me, but then when you see people throw tantrums about the simplest of interactions you can predict the story so far. People hoping that Skirk will interact nicely with Childe are deluded, they'll undercut him to sell her. But these decisions that are obvious to people who know how gacha works gets rewritten in fandom as happening only because it's "best for the story". Likewise you'll see less of Scaramouche interacting meaningfully with Nahida since this broke incels brains. They couldn't even let him be in the picture for her birthday event. I don't know why Hoyo even bothered putting them together if they're going to cave to incels and remove him from the story.
>>470769This is what made me think that Hoyo ship pushing fanservice feels so sterile and corporate. No hate to people who think they're cute, but when I was seeing people say "Finally Sethos can't be shipped with Cyno", it felt pair the spares. People were trying to brother zone Sethos and Cyno to not break up the approved Sumeru ships and the more fanservice they do, the more it also feels like the yaoi equivalent of being afraid to let even the Sumeru guys interact with other guys outside their "assigned ship". So now my problem is that all interactions in this game feel generic and trying to sell you on a ship or trying not to piss off incels, and it breaks my immersion in these characters and this world. Why care about any character anymore when you know how they'll end up? You know no one will be truly that flawed. You know if a male and female character are related, they're going to make the sister the pure girl and the brother the mastermind trying to protect her. You know male and female friendships will be sterile and offscreened, and that the company mandated yaoi and yuri will be safe and tame. What's there to be attached to when the company itself limits your own imagination?
No. 470887
Like if you want a boring forced fujo ship with plain toast dynamic, that's obviously cyno and tighnari, but alhaitham and kaveh have comedic appeal, they're the only fujo ship in genshin with funny dialogue and a stronger backstory (other than kaeya and diluc). I think it's weird how you guys only have a bone to pick with them, when there's other ships that are 10x worse and less developed. Ayato and thoma are boring, itto doesn't have any good fujo ships, zhongli and childe is a deluded fantasy, neuvilette and wriothesley don't have enough interactions, baizhu doesn't have a fujo ship, kinich is literally on his own etc. Alhaitham and kaveh are the only ship where the writers put a bit more effort. Now you have a problem with ifa and ororon, just because fans ship them.(Fujosperg outside containment)
No. 470890
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Are we really going to spent the rest of the thread in a fujo vs yume samsara
No. 470970
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>>470909And then Diluc helps with the garden, while Ifa tends to the animals.