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No. 465358
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>>465306>>465346I agree anons! Nice to see other pantalone lovers in this thread… Even though there's not a lot of content for him obviously, and considering the current direction I won't dare to imagine there will be much once the time comes. He has so much potential to be a phenomenal and memorable character though. And I love everything about his design from the dark purple hair and glasses to the elegant robe. I really hope the death rumors aren't true as well, how would even the most braindead player not pick up on how jarring and strange that would be? And let me guess, to add insult to injury the replacement- I mean, daughter, would be an ugly coomwaifu with as much depth and intruige as a muddy puddle. If he is playable I'll instantly save and main him, if not hoyo can say bye bye to me logging in, I already started losing hope after capi. I'm such a pantasperg and that's my last thread of hope to care about this game.
I don't know if it's controversial or not but I like seeing him with arle. They would have interesting interactions.
No. 465374
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>>465358leak in picrel (uncle 111) says that pantalone has a chance of either being an npc or being playable depending on "market popularity" (read: hoyo's whims). don't get your hopes up too much though, because being playable doesn't mean he won't get completely screwed over character-wise and relevance-wise. if anything, i feel like being playable would make character assassination all the more likely because they have to aggressively screw him over somehow for the crime of being a harbinger. arlecchino's shitty retcon taught us as much, and tbh the sudden appearance of this "adopted daughter" isnt very encouraging, that definitely wasnt the original plan for pantalone. the same leak also mentions that he's irrelevant to the plot either way, and that the female harbingers will also be irrelevant despite being playable (to the surprise of nobody).
i'm personally not a shipper
and not very keen on how m/f ships with arle default to making her submissive even more than her fluffy-ass f/f ships, but i definitely would've loved for (pre-retcon) arlecchino to have more interactions with other harbingers. unfortunately it seems that the nu-team is very dedicated to not having harbingers interact at all, or to make their interactions a big nothingburger with a side of defanging (see childe and arle). compare and contrast bickering and passive-aggression even at a funeral during lazzo…i wouldve loved to see more pettiness of that kind kek. shame that's a pipe dream now.
No. 465376
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>>465358Pantalone fans have it the worst. Even the best case cope situation is just fanfiction. Assuming they really are saving the best writers for Sneznaya, and the B team is working on Natlan, and everything goes back to normal, that means EVERY 5 star will be a harbinger, assuming they all live and are all playable. Columbina, Pierro, Capitano, Dottore, Sandrone, Pantalone. 4/6 are male, which could mean the gender split could be equal, which is already unlikely. Then “evil” male characters must be redeemed but to do that they must be given screen time. Capitano must also be revived as Genshin cannot release dead characters for whatever reason. Even in the best case scenario, the suave, smooth talking, cunning chess master we’re looking for may be butchered. Just look at Ayato.
If Dottore isn’t playable I don’t know what I’d do. I save so much wish and I play ever event in hopes of getting more resources to c6 r5. But if they kill him in favor of Slutya, I really would cry. I’d probably apply as a programmer to WuWa same day with my full resume. Shit, I’d do it for free if it would ruin Genshin. Too bad I’m not a Chinese yume. Then they’d be afraid of people like me.
No. 465389
>>465376>Assuming they really are saving the best writers for Snezhnayanta, but the people who cared about the harbingers in any capacity left at the end of 2.x with the writing team change, and the new team has been trying to undermine the harbingers ever since. dont be fooled into thinking harbinger hatred is just a natlan problem, it's a fat xiao problem (3.x onward screenwriter). i should also add that the former head screenwriter wasn't just transferred to hsr, he flat-out left due to constant mistreatment from higher-ups, probably strategic negging so they could put nepo baby xiao in charge instead. the realistic hope would be that they go back to making male harbingers playable, but given the new team's hatred for both male and female harbingers, that would still mean either neverending humiliation or complete character assassination well beyond what anyone could imagine. you mention ayato not living up to expectations, but as an og arlecchino fan, i actually envy ayato's characterization since he still ended up more morally grey than her bleached retcon (even if his execution was lackluster). i really went through it because of how they basically 180'd her characterization and turned her into some generic angsty kuudere. i cant really offer you comforting words given the state of the writing team, all i can say is that i sympathize with you and that im sorry the harbingers are stuck here of all places.
No. 465400
>>465389Thank you for your sympathy nonna, I am also sorry that true Arlechinno fans had their character butchered and sold back to them as a mommy Mary sue. Even worse seeing people praise it. I am very depressed and anxious about Dottore. I plan on quitting during the next summer event where the motherload of primos will put me comfortably in c1 r1 range if he ever releases. Even if I get everything I want, the wait and anxiety would have soured my yume joy.
Above all, I think we can all agree we have been robbed of our time by their
abusive sunk cost and refusal to be transparent. We wouldn’t need to scream about leaks for years in advance if they would ever just speak to the players. None of us hate genshin and wish for its demise, we just want the good game we played all those years ago… I feel so cheated and strung along. But in the end, losing to hoyo is like loosing at chess to a dog, it really is my fault for expecting anything good. I wish I could pull a Kuro and make my own genshin, but even those guys are just gonna pump out waifus for their shit xerox of a xerox story. I want them to feel the same pain they inflict on the people that made their fandom. But the masses are stupid and complacent, Genshin wouldn’t die even if they released Slutya tomorrow. Total Honkai DEATH.
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The adopted daughter shtick makes me hopping mad. Men just assume that everyone has the same moe-rotted brain as them, so that the instant they see a cute girl they start cooing out over her and feel more amicable towards Pantalone. Well, fuck you; I don’t see women as little cute pets. If you don’t give me a genuine reason to like your newest waifu, like they did fantastically with Hu Tao, I’m not going to feel all soft for the pair of them just because “muh Anya-Loid ripoff!” I hope the little bitch burns in hell, but of course, they’ll probably make Pantalone sacrifice himself for her (despite having known her for 2 seconds or whatever).
No. 465534
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I look forward to the Sandrone engoodening, where they'll somehow turn the clearly unhinged individual we saw in the letter into a moeblob traveler loving waifu kek
No. 465562
>>465400ayrt, i appreciate what you said too ♥︎ i definitely agree with the sentiment of wanting to put hyv through the same pain they've put us through, and i also feel terrible for the old head screenwriter who's watching all his hard work be mangled to thunderous applause. i don't think we were wrong to expect better, and i do believe we could have had better under an old writing team unburdened by negging/honkaishitters. even if it wouldn't have been perfect, it wouldve been miles better than what us harbingerfags are stuck with now.
>>465465its from a cn leaker called uncle water who apparently called 6.x not being snezhnaya proper amongst other allegedly accurate leaks. it's kind of hard to get more info not being in the cn leak scene, but the person who cited this leak was also the only person ive seen who called skirk being playable in natlan, and in the same post they mentioned pantalone's daughter. don't let that crush your yume dreams though, the new team's vision for the harbingers is ooc by design and you shouldn't give it any more weight than you do fanfiction.
>>465534akshually, that letter was written by the previous sandrone, weren't you paying attention to the lore
nonnie? all the unhinged stuff was just baseless rumors spread by dottore to make his scientific competitor look bad. shes actually just a shy girl who wouldnt hurt a fly and cant talk to others because of anxiety, so she makes robots to feel less lonely, but really she much prefers people to machines…what, you don't think that's good writing? you think thats the polar opposite of what she was supposed to be? wow, i guess you must hate bleached—um i mean
morally grey female characters.
No. 465598
>>465562Oh that’s so terrible! I almost forgot about him. I know he was a moid but he was a moid with good ideas and he didn’t put his penis above making a good story for Genshin Impcr. He cared about his characters and his lore; and it must have been soul crushing for DaWei to force him out just for better coom. It so sick, how could Da Wei do this and have the nerve to cry infront of us as if he is a human being worth sympathy? I don’t mean to alog and try and start a witch hunt, but this man is evil. Were the billions not enough for you? Was our years of support and care not enough to line your pockets enough? You forsake your staff, your legacy composers and artists and writers, your fans, your own friends. For what end? Ego? Money? Honkai Impact 3rd? That game is complete slop! And I guess genshin is too. It might be over nonnas
>rumors made by DottoreWho wants to take bets Sandrone and Dottore hate each other instead of logically working together with their combined expertise. And she moral high horses against him, despite being a murderer. If he lives long enough to be spoken of.
No. 465622
>>465376I say this without malice nonna: if you expect playable evil Dottore, you're better off going to a different game. Otome games will have the evil guy you're looking for, but he's without a doubt not going to be playable in Genshin. Harbinger stans need to realize what you like is fanfiction. Especially if you're a yume, I would suggest playing an actual otome which would have the type of guys you want rather than hoping Genshin will give you a yandere evil guy.
>>465534The evil part of Sandrone will be revealed to be Alain, the man. The good part will be the spirit of Mary Ann, and she will be the playable one.
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Which of the female characters do you think would be considered most popular among LC users? And why? I'd be willing to bet no one here dislikes Chiori. We all remember how she made incels seethe. If MHY ever wrongs her, I know I wouldn't be alone in being absolutely livid about it.
No. 466117
>>465901Furina is up there.
Arlecchino would be too if they didn't rewrite her.
No. 466118
>>465829Really I'm joking but I'm sure theres not enough Dottore spregs in this thread to want to hear about it. Dottore is neither a yandere nor a psychopath. He has the unique lore of being the few characters who are both arrogant and extremley self hating. He literally kills himself for a gnosis. His own voices constantly admonish him and even in Scara's story he loathes himself. He pities others for not knowing who he truly is and compares himself to a demon, something unreasonable and undefeatable. Just think of the lore we could have gotten if Scaramouche was still allowed to be a character. Dottore confronts his envy, and how he wishes to be accepted by society the same way Scaarmouche is, despite Scara being the real robot and him being a person. It's due to his evil and selfish nature, and he puts his goals above the suffering of others. Not because he's a sadist or takes pleasure in human suffering, he just cares more about benefitting himself, or even society as a whole independant of the gods that seemingly casted him away. This isn't all fanfiction, this is in the lore! It's all true, direct quotes. That's why I'm so scared. If this new writing team ruins everything, even if Dottore is released, we may unironically get molesttore, who is subsequently ass-murdered by Slutya!
No. 466125
>>466121While I can't say that the gimmick of the whole evil yandere thing isn't nice, but I don't want the writers to fall for his flanderization! I couldn't bear to see it, especially if they fully retcon the fact that Dottore doesn't even know Collei. From Arlechinno's story, we know they aren't above using child abuse to steal sympathy, so I have little to no hope. Let my goon material just be fanfiction, but God forbid ever putting that in the story, or even having that be the wider interpitation. He has good and promising lore, a great story in the works, he's one of the best characters they ever written. I'd say he trumps Furina for the sheer fact he's actually done bad things. The hospital notes, Soreh's death, the hoyofair animations, the webtoon. He's my husbando God damnit! I won't stand for hoyo's slander!
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Not gonna lie, I hate that they're pushing Childe and Arlecchino as friends. All the moids crying about Tartali being a thing and not these two as a ship are annoying as hell too, obviously his ship with Zhongli has more content since its older, but most of the shippers aren't interested anymore. Feels weird to have him invite her into his home and to celebrate with his family, but I guess they're besties now and the Harbingers are really a big found family.
No. 466173
>>466171Well, I'm bored of only seeing Childe with his NPC brother and since they keep postponing Snezhnaya people would like to see other characters. They can only market characters from the same region or organization, it's not that deep and overthinking holiday art. Do you think Nilou and Dehya actually visited Carneval in Brazil too?
I understand the disappointment over Arlecchino but not for nothing, but you guys should get used to your harbinger fanfictions not coming true and at least move on. The writing was on the wall with how Scaramouche became playable. I think Genshin has done a lot wrong but there's only so much "where's muh evil psychos" complaints we can have before it becomes too repetitive.
No. 466195
>>466188Original Dottosperg here, the one with all the wishes. I will be officially quitting genshin impact. I realized I’m in an
abusive relationship with either a shitty video game or a group of Chinese Incels. This slop isn’t worth my time or my writing, my Etsy shop, my modding skills, none of it. I hope Da Wei is stabbed to death by a crazed yume after he brought back Capitano just to kill him for good. I watched this video and was filled with indescribable rage. Fuck the lore, fuck the descenders, fuck the fatui, and most of all, FUCK that shitty useless game hi3. Genuine terrible waste of time, the game has been going down the shitter since Fontaine trailer, I’ve just been blind. We are NEVER getting another male, an edgy harbinger or even an edgy character and they have been purposefully screwing with us the whole time! Im gonna make my own genshin impact (with blackjack and hookers of course). Sage for alogging
No. 466217
>>466195>>466208i'll have to watch this but
holy shit, you're into modding? it's so difficult to find people who aren't big booba coomers even in "sfw" spaces. that said, don't mind the shitstirrer, nonna. some people out there can't help but paint darker characters with the same flanderizing brush, and take the opportunity to caricature their fans too. it's a shame that us harbingerfags who enjoy nuance gets flack from all sides because of it. something something rise of black and white thinking among fandoms, but for what it's worth, i enjoyed your dottore essay. some people also don't seem to understand that we're not upset over "fanfiction", we're upset over shit that was
provably going to be in the game being scrapped/retconned in the most insulting way possible. tl;dr you're not wrong for feeling the way you do, and i hope you enjoy dottore unburdened by genshit.
No. 466220
>>466217Thank you nonna! Make 3d models and try to get into programming, I started off with Minecraft mods and moved on to Sims. I was working on a webttore mod for sucrose, since I kind of saw her as his daughter lol. But Genshin doesn't deserve even the worst fanfic from a Dottore fan. Fatui fans give so much just to be spat on by everyone in the fandom. The devs, the yuritroons, other harbinger fans, artists. I'm sick of giving hoyo free advertising with my hard work and love, when its clear they hate me. It's practically a meme when people on message boards say they'll totally make their own, better product, but if there's any others who feel cheated, I think this thread or another is perfect to share our fanworks or other projects where they'll be appreciated. Theres even a Dottore otome game on itch.io, but its sadly not romance focused. My first project shall be slutya, she really did win in the end…
No. 466616
>>465901>>466117agreed with second nonna, and adding that all the original plans for harbinger women would've probably been appreciated (or at least respected). as things stand though, beidou and ningguang seem fairly well-liked from what i've seen.
>>466220i'm a bit too paranoid to post any of my works on here, but i'll be rooting for you if you ever post yours ♥ your vision of dottore definitely sounds much more interesting than whatever woobification or flanderization the nu-team could ever come up with. i'll be sure to keep an eye out for slutya projects in the wild too kek, i have to admit a shitty satirical genshin vn/game would be pretty funny.
>>466436his voice and general demeanor both have something uniquely grating about them, probably the fact that he seems skeevy even by subpar moid standards. i understand enjoying genshin bashing, but just about any other critic feels more bearable than him.
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>>466620He is not rapey! If anything, he doesn’t like romance or sex, he killed a girl who had a crush on him because she made him uncomfortable and presumably felt cornered by his upperclassman. And even before then she describes him to be standoffish, completely uninterested in her. I have my own personal fanfiction, fine, I admit it, but I never wanted it to come true! I want him to be the character his extensive lore pointed towards! He has the most lore for a non playable character, is given dedicated animations, areas in the actual game, multiple in game quests all for him! I’m not mad that Dottore isn’t fucking lumine on screen, I’m mad hes not on the screen at all, and when he will be, theres a large chance he’ll be ruined. But I do agree, It was naive to expect a complex character from fucking Hoyo of all places, I’ll take the hit on that. But I was optimistic and assured by the quality of Scaramouche’s story, and the archon quest. Now I’m just regretful.
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And then I lost my 50/50 to Qiqi. Oh well, at least I got him C0! For now.
No. 466629
>>466625The Scaramouche quest made it clear he was the fall guy to get Scaramouche playable, and Arlecchino sealed the deal. This is why I was so annoyed when people were begging for Arlecchino to be playable when they rumored she'd be killed off, I knew she would get watered down if she had to be playable. Unfortunately himejoshi don't like evil women so they're happy she's this defanged because it means Arlefuri can be fluffy yuri. As if every yuri ship isn't already like this.
But yes. You can hype up a character for being evil or you can have a playable but you won't ever get both. I will blame Honkeks for making people think they make evil playables, because the only "evil" playables in that game aren't even that evil and the true villains are the men who of course are not playable.
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I want to roll for Wriothesely out of principle (when are we ever going to get another 5* male cryo? Never) but he’s so damn ugly (botched model, ugly neck scar, weird skin texture) and his playstyle is too boring for me. Sorry nonas, I must betray you all and roll for Furina instead.
No. 466868
>>466652Normal people DID play the game. It's why the incels had to launch their own gamgergate campaign to try and "take back" gacha. It's why the idiotic "gacha feminists" on twitter are such useful idiots for incels, because they can think that more female characters means more feminist.
Genshin DID have a normie audience and now they want to piss it away to appeal to ML incels. It's now confirmed that they don't care for their old players at all.
But sunk cost runs deep and the company knows this. I heard more female players in China have caught on and are boycotting Hyv, but people in the West don't understand the gender war or they're not savvy about how gacha works which is why they think that if you think Varesa's butt animations are goonerbait then YOU'RE the misogynist. How can you even reason with people like that?
No. 466870
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C6ed him, now I can go back to ignoring banners until a 5* male shows up.
No. 466876
>>466868The worst thing they can do for sunk costs is to devalue wasted money. If you buy a ticket for let’s say a racist singer and you can’t back out, some may still go just to get their moneys worth. But if they hear the concert is worse and they intend to extract more money from you, they won’t show up at all regardless of what they spent on the ticket.
When they reveal that night soul is completely fucking worthless in Sneznaya, and they are introducing some new mechanic that only Sneznayan characters have, people will call the game p2w and even more normies leave in droves. Western audiences dislike two things, egregious fanservice, micro transactions. The more they feel the game is just like “paying for porn”, they will flee to not be seen as creepy degenerate males. Other countries dont have the same shame. Once 50% have fled, mainly Americans, they will only double down on their scum. I can’t wait for the 7th nation to crash and burn!
No. 466986
>>466874It's why it's very hard to get Western fandom to realize the lack of males isn't a feminist win. They don't realize the fanservice has gotten worse. We always had fanservice but it was never this blatant and so consistent with every female character. You would even think the lack of any yuri ships in Natlan would be a hint, that they fully want to pander to incels so the traveler must be the most important. But no, instead if someone points out that Citlali is waifubait and they only show Aether in the promos for a reason, they get called a misogynist and they're the ones "reducing" her to waifubait, not Mhy.
>>466876I'd say they'd have to really fuck up some male character's story for fans to possibly get it, but then they'd be bullied by the Genshin feminists and called misogynists for wanting guys to be important even though they told us some of them would be. It's the scummiest part of the sunk cost for me. It's not just about leveling characters, it's that they gatekept the lore and true understanding of some characters for so long that many people can't quit. Venti has been teased since forever. Childe has been teased since forever, with only bits being dripfed, though given how his fans believe his treatment in Fontaine is part of the long game and not Mhy showing their true colors, I doubt they would ever wake up. We have Kaeya's connections with Khaenriah, watch that get dropped too. Albedo already got shafted for Wanderer, who himself could also get shafted. Dainsleif was already announced playable so they can't back out with him but watch them find some way to shaft him too.
No. 467174
>>467165Anyone still coping that Snezhnaya will be dark or the Tsaritsa will actually be morally gray is deluded. That should have been obvious way back in Inazuma with how they handled Ei. Ei should have been the wake-up call, but instead people defended her dogshit writing and said "you can't handle morally gray women!!" until they gaslit people into thinking her character is good.
The Tsaritsa's not going to be evil or they'll find some twin bullshit to make the playable one the less bad on. She's going to be healed by the traveler. The male harbingers will die or be made into jokes like Childe, with his fans still coping that he'll get his big badass moment in Khaenriah so keep playing the games guys, let HYV cook!! No one will learn a damn thing even though Raiden Ei, the killing off of Signora, and not letting Arlecchino be an antagonist in Fontaine and pulling a previous Knave out of their assholes should have been a sign that there will never be an evil woman playable in this game. And then there's still people hoping for evil and creep Columbina and Sandrone.
No. 467186
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>>465284I think Natlan (and by and large Genshin) is suffering a "death from thousand papercuts." Weird racebending, lack of male characters, the whole VA situation, sloppy rewrites, bad character design, Ryan Johnson style subversion of expectations (people expected war and dragons and got "friendship is magic"), unnecessary gimmicks set up to show how "special" Natlan is that serve no purpose and eat up screen-time that could instead be spent getting to know characters and setting up conflicts, Mavuika being way too perfect with no flaws or a character arc, modern technology that doesn't match the world of Genshin (Natlan in particular), blatant and fanservice, shameless power-creep… Just one or two of those things may have been tolerable but all this crap together is unbearable. Oh and I haven't yet mentioned worst of all: bunch of filler content we'll have to suffer though. Up until these point we had linear progression. But Natlan felt like a whole nothing-burger. We aren't going to Snezhnaya after this, the pyro gnosis is still in Natlan, so everyone brace yourselves for Natlan 2.0… Honestly if it weren't for the gameplay and past characters and stories that I have an emotional connection with I would have dropped this game after all this BS. If it wasn't for this year's lantern rite I would've thought Genshin team lost their ability to write stories.
No. 467215
>>467214After Firefly you can't put anything past Mhy. There's even rumors that if they do bring Capitano back and make him playable, it would be as a female character.
From what I can gather, the Childe theories relate to some leaked artifact lore about him being the third descender who's a woman trapped in a male form. It sounds like something Mhy would do to incite gender wars and just enough for troons to claim him.
No. 467226
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>Killing off playables
I don't think that's happening any time sooner lul
adding one of his sisters as playable is more plausible though
No. 467230
>>467221They already lost most of them and hate female players. Don't think them pimping out some guys on official merch means they didn't already screw female players.
>>467225Don't worry, they'll claim Sandrone because Mhy will do some fuckshit like claiming the evil side is Alain but you'll get good Mary-Ann as playable and she'll be grateful to Aether for freeing her from her brother. Varesa has troon colors so they'll claim her too and say you're a bigot if you think she looks ugly. All they need is to latch onto one line.
No. 467258
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My hatred for this ugly twink only increases day by day and is rapidly spurred on every time I see the most sub 50 iq harem/waifu content of him. I am baffled at how any male willingly self-inserts into this thing for sexual fulfillment, especially considering the plethora of more appealing/masculine men in the cast, let alone even manages to look at it. I feel like I'm going insane every time I see somebody, male or female, calling him cute or handsome or whatnot. I know I'm generally nitpicky and could hate on plenty of well loved genshin male designs but surely I'm not alone here? I just need to let off some steam kek
>>467226Beautiful image anon
No. 467309
>>467259The theories are that he's the third descender who was originally a woman. Either they split the characters somehow or they change him into a woman. They would take advantage of female players buying merch
>>467264 and then fuck them over later after years of getting their money. There's no way they would let a man be important to the story so I can see them doing some shit like this to spite female players. It would be stupid but you know the troon himejoshi would defend it.
No. 467472
>>467174The only reason I’m still keeping up with this fandom is because of Snezhnaya but if it’s going to just be more waifubait-land then it might be owari da…
I wasted $400 on this game for what
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>>467258Might be an unpopular opinion but I have always had a thing for jrpg protags that show their tummy, like Haseo and Luke so I like Aether's design. He is probably the only gacha male protag who has a slightly refreshing design. But yes, at the end of the day, he is just a self-insert for moids, so Aether hate is absolutely justified and based.
No. 467531
>>467258His tummy and little braid are cute
It's the moids self inserting that "ruined" him because that shit carried over in the game with the Mizuki and Natlan AQ
No. 467624
>>467583Thank you! He isn’t a character and I hate it when people try and make him some big martyr. We can just
go to the abyss, nobody is stopping him. According to Childe and Scaramouche, there are just holes in the abyss all over Snezhnaya! If he really wanted to do his one goal of finding his sister, he would just do that instead of having bath dates with dictators and playing stupid mini games with people he's an asshole to (Unless you’re a waifu. Remember when he yelled at Lyney for being a child soldier grooming
victim, and then we glaze his groomer, but we are meant to sob for Furina who’s been a jobless aristocrat for 500 years, and Arlechinno the slave driver. We cry for Mauvika and have a dance party on Capitano’s corpse, cultural appropriation headband and all.) The only people who desperately claim the traveler not only has a personality but is also getting sick of being the hero are those who want to constantly play the
victim for things that nobody forced them to do. Like self proclaimed “therapist friends” and moms. And the funniest part is that they are projecting when they do it! Almost as if Aether is a self insert who you project onto… The truth is that the traveler is a wooden doll for Incels to mash against a waifu when they get bored of large black men, ugly bastards and grey blobs. Because shipping them with a male character who is attractive and they have chemistry with is cucking but somehow everything else isn’t. I hate Aether. I would replace him with Lumine but then we have to defeat Yuritroons, an arguably worse beast than Incels and deranged fujos combined.
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>>467625That’s why I never shut up about my husbandos power level, I don’t care if they call me a misogynist, I got into powerscaling just to defend my husbando. Humble your local EiMiko fan today.
No. 467630
>>467624People want the traveler to be this complete hero but then also the twin stans lie and say they're not a self-insert whenever anyone criticizes the protagonist centric morality. The traveler can wipe out a whole village in Sumeru and the same men who cry about Scaramouche being "Hitler" will say it was based and justified of the traveler to do that.
The traveler is poorly written and reflects the double standards of the writers. They don't really want Arlecchino to be a groomer and the traveler doesn't hate her for what she did to Furina, in fact no one does.
Judging by your comment I'm guessing you think yumes are a lesser evil but I dislike the Lumine yumes and the way all males become rape apes. The traveler just sucks no matter who they are because it's the writing and the protagonist centric morality that's the problem. When not one playable can even dislike the traveler without being a villain, there's no saving them as a mc. Too many gamers only want to be coddled and they'll threaten the devs if their needs aren't met.
No. 467640
>>467213>>467214I'm not even a yume but changing a male character into a female one after they've been playable for years has to be some type of false advertising. At least with Sam they never made "him" playable and made Firefly playable when we knew she was Sam. It would be beyond scummy to suddenly change a character like this.
I don't know why its always women who can't have a male character and who have to accept troon shit. Nobody tells the moids to accept their waifus being turned into men, but joseimuke games have to introduce a troon character who's actually a woman, not a pretty male, and we have to shut up about it.
No. 467643
Even TikTok users are catching on! Just look at the comments.
No. 468182
>>468150Two words
>Mobile adaptation>The engine's getting old and outdatedCompared to HI3 it's still better, but unlike ZZZ, they refuse to revamp the engine to make the models better. We'll be forever stuck with noodle-arm Itto, I'm afraid.
Also kek, the jiggle physics in there.
No. 468247
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i didnt think i had it in me to be surprised by mhy anymore, but what the actual fuck is this? i was always told that genshit couldnt add limited five-stars to the standard banner because of legal reasons relating to gambling, and yet here comes honkaishit doing just that. meanwhile we're struck with the chronicled wish scam. i cant believe this shit. they really hate this game.
No. 468257
>>468247In a previous post where I dramatically spoke about how I quit genshin, it’s all on purpose. The want to put HSR, GSI and ZZZ against each other, each getting new events and QOL while Genshin jerks off in a corner. It’s like coke being ass so you move on to sprite, because they keep improving sprite, even though coke still gets money. You’re tricked into thinking you’re winning by switching to the new and shiny game. I often ask myself, why must they make every new QOL annoying? They could make things like sanctifying elixir and encounter points much more straight forward. But they know they don’t have to, and will simply give the proper QOL to the next game. They only want to raise the bar within the company’s already narrow standards. See how ZZZ was forced to fix their weapon banner because WW got rid of 50:50 entirely? The only way Hoyo will fix their nonsense is in the latest games, AFTER being threatened by another company. Even if WW outsells Genshin 10:1, they wouldn’t even add a resin reservoir. Genshin is a relic they can’t get rid of, only ruin so that it dies faster. They are purposely trying to make you pissed/quit so you go try out HSR/ZZZ/ “Hoyo-live”. Listen to them, and quit the game!
No. 468411
>>468247Did HSR fans even complain? Because it's basically Hoyoverse telling them to go fuck themselves for wasting so much on characters from 2 years ago. I also heard reruns didn't do well in that game. Meanwhile, Wrio and Furi both outsold onsen whore in Genshin.
>>468257At that point we just need a proper mixed gacha game or another non-LADS husbando game to put the final nail in Genshin's coffin.
No. 468500
>>468411I saw a claim that Mizuki outsold Mavuika which is insane if true because Mizuki's banner revenue was embarrassingly low. Genshin hit big profits during January when Mavuika's banner was running, but it was at the same time Citlali's was so it was two new limited units combined.
>>468413This. It's useless to pull based on meta on HSR because every single unit gets a powercreep two patches later. The combat is easy as fuck anyway and you can run through bosses with autoplay unless you're a NEET completionist so there's no point in trying to chase those damage per screenshot numbers.
No. 468613
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If there was one rewrite to the plot you could make, what would it be? I would minimize the traveler completely. There should be character interaction independent of camera-with-sword-kun.
No. 468629
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>>468613this might be too vast, but doing the harbingers justice. fully return to their og personalities as detailed in the excel leaks, and follow all the old writing team's plans for them (while guaranteeing playability for everyone). if we really have to narrow it down further, then i think my number one choice of harbinger to save from the nu-team's bullshit rewrites is obvious kek. but id really like for all of them to be treated well.
No. 468668
>>468257The problem here is they learn the wrong lessons from Wuwa and think it means they should pander only to incels who want ML. They want people to get into their new games but also can't finish the story in Genshin and need to prolong Snezhnaya even more for reasons I can't understand.
>>468411>At that point we just need a proper mixed gacha game or another non-LADS husbando game to put the final nail in Genshin's coffin.
This will never happen thanks to Snowbreak and the gender war that it started. I hate when people use LADS as an example because it's an otome game, it's a different genre, it's not relevant when people talk about adding more men into gachas that aren't dating Sims and are anime based story games. Japan can make mixed gacha games without this drama, but they're so bad at handling and marketing these games that they all go EOS rather quickly unless it's like FGO. Look how they fumbled Tribe Nine.
No. 468808
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Genshin just released loreshit and lorefags took the bait. They never really learn from disappointment. Worse even, they're bringing back the Capitano copium.
No. 468835
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>>468808I can't take this seriously anymore. What is this the hype-train for? Let me wager a guess, we will get not one, not two, but three slutted up porn OCs - each having the hobby repertoire of five others but the personality of none - for each of the moons who will be hapless waifus to jiggle around a completely shallow, retconned plot. Hoyo will fire off all the tropes in the world in the most uninspired way possible, none of it will make sense, not even if Ashikai tries to overclock her brains over it on youtube, but the background music will be bearable and the animators will work 72-hour shifts without a moment of sleep to make it look passable. All the gooners will applaud it with a standing ovation. Some chinafags will boycott hoyo because not enough "loli"s getting porned up, but it will be swept under the rug. I don't expect a lick less embarrassing than this scenario.
No. 468839
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>>468826Imagine being this delusional and thinking Dottore will do something else than be evil and die.
>>468835The only thing I'm looking forward is how it coànnects to Paimon. But since it's way too fucking early, we will only have crumbs that will end up being not important or retconned because some incel complained about male character having more than 2s of screentime.
No. 468842
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>>468838Yes, yes, PRECISELY, everything symbolizes the divine feminine, the holy mother, the fierce crone, the fifth dimension folding into the eternal and harmonious low vibrations of the in-between realm of the spiritworld, but only, and I said ONLY as long as they're also self-humiliating strippers who make my microdee hard.
No. 468861
>>468843They will also change the models and make Itto buff, Diluc will get cured from his Down's Syndrome and Albedo will be important for the Lore again. Let's not forget that Dainself will be a playable as a hydro sword that will be support for Kaeya that will get a buff and a nice new abyss outfit.
Varka will be a buff guy that will have an interesting rivalry with Capitano and there's going to be a cool trailer in which he personally fights against him outside Mondstadt while venti is hurt on the floor and with the help of Noelle who will look cool as fuck while fighting because she's more than a meido now.
No. 468885
>>468875I actually don't think Hoyoverse is good at anything except making wonderful promises. They promise updates, a good game, change, finished characters, racial representation (well they never promised that), and high expectations, longterm support. They can make a hundred promises and fill none of them easily, the company is so big at this point, people will just lie to themselves. They promise you a villian, give you an edgy hero, and people will just make up stories of her villiany.
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>>468880truth be told, scrotes will call everything from photosynthesis to the kitchen sink "feminism" except for actual feminism, so this checks out.
No. 468887
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>>468859Childe schizo theories are fun to read and laugh at, but I very seriously doubt they can do something like that with a playable character. I have not played Genshin in almost two years, but I remember there was a time when a semi-popular theory claimed that Childe and the Tsaritsa were lovers in previous samsara cycles, based on the description of Ballad of the Fjords and the Pale Princess fairytale. Childefags are some of the most delusional people because they keep trying to connect him with Phanes and the Third Descender and Jesus, and other things. Just today, I saw them trying to find connections between Childe and the Moon Sisters kek.
>>468808I don't understand how anyone can feel excited for the "lore" in Genshin. The game does not have any stakes whatsoever, and every other key player is the most generic, half-naked Mary Sue waifu. Since Paimon is being speculated to be the new moon, I suppose she will get a new form where she is dressed like a hooker.
No. 468889
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>>468867Search Childe and third descender and you'll see it.
No. 468893
>>468887I understand why Childe theories are so schizo because imagine being edged for five years about a character's basic lore. We know nothing about his time in the Abyss or his Vision story and Mhy withholds it on purpose. He's the best example of how annoying Genshin storytelling is. They don't provide any answers, just more questions, but they don't do this because it's good storytelling like Mhy glazers think. They do it because it creates sunk cost and keeps players from leaving. Although if they hate female players so much I don't know why they do this beyond sadism and contempt.
Childe's part in Fontaine is the Mhy formula. Don't give any answers. Don't let him actually interact with Skirk. Childe's character can't actually go anywhere until Snezhnaya, but instead of criticizing Mhy for it his fans think there's some feast waiting at the end. Making a character who was advertised as male into a woman feels like it must be breaking some consumer law here, but Childe fans are some of the most cucked and will be beaten down by "feminists" into accepting something so stupid.
No. 468897
>>468894The whole pedo thing enraged me. Child trafficking is only bad when other people do it, but Arle loves all the orphaned vulnerable children she kidnaps, brainwashes, abuses, and then turns into child soldiers that are slaughtered by the dozen. Lore wise, Dottore is arguably kinder, at least he's trying to cure a deadly disease, Arlechinno has zero reason to do this to kids! They wrote a morally reprehensible character but since she must appeal to men first and foremost, she must be bleached of all her evil. So at the last possible second they throw in an evil pedophile sob story. How dare you? It made me despise her and her fans. But you Nonnas changed my mind, and I feel bad for you, she was sabotaged.
No. 468898
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>>468889Get ready to be called a misogynist if you don't call Childe a she/her.
No. 468902
>>468896It's funny none of the Hoyo "feminist" yuri accounts mention that fact at all. If someone brought it up they'd get harassed because Hoyo is just a simple indie company trying to tell us good stories.
>>468897Then people get angry if you say Arle is abusing children because they like the idea of her caring for them more and Hoyo only leans into that. Her fans don't want her to be doing anything wrong. They want a slightly strict orphanage matron. That's not a morally grey characters but they'll gaslight and act smug like they can handle such a complex woman but when you look at the content of her it's just her caring for kids or being an uwu soft girlfriend to Furina. Nothing that makes her any different than any other woman in this game.
No. 468905
>>468899Seriously, CAN they even do this? I know Hoyo hates female players but considering they put Childe on art twice now to keep husbando fans from leaving, that would be beyond scummy to do. It's one thing to change a character from their initial perception before they're playable. We knew Scaramouche would become Wanderer and Arlecchino was already watered down. We knew SAM was Firefly before she was playable. We didn't get SAM playable for years and then they went sike! Actually it's a girl in there! I can't think of any gacha game doing something like this.
>>468901The last thing we need is for Childe to be hit by troons and become another Arashi from Enstars. This makes absolutely no sense, who wants this? I want to say there's no way they could do this but knowing how Hoyo is I can't dismiss that they would do this for spite. I want to say that it's a delusional troon but Hoyo just might validate it.
No. 468959
>>468891Kek yes, that entire thread was trying to establish a connection between Childe and seelies. It is funny because all these theorists still sincerely believe that male characters like Childe, Capitano, and Dottore hold so much plot relevance, while in the actual game they keep getting humiliated and mocked by waifus. Dottore got outsmarted by a retarded toddler. It doesn't get more embarrassing than that.
>>468893>Childe's part in Fontaine is the Mhy formula. Don't give any answers.Exactly - everyone was so hyped up for that whale calling to him, but then it turns out it was just a pet. At this point, I just wonder what will happen to Childe in the future. Why would they want to waste time on a male character, especially one that cannot help them generate revenue. Maybe they could give him an alternate form like Dan Heng, but that will never happen in genshit. They will probably replace him with Tonia.
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>>468959You don’t understand nonna, Dottore merely tricked Nahida into thinking she won. He can make new segments at the drop of a hat and despite him lack of knowledge of Scaramouche the ley lines would have just gifted him new, more profound understanding of how to make segments regardless of Ei’s prototype. So him erasing all of those versions of himself was extremely temporary and with the leaks of extra masks proves that we will see the creation of new segments in Nod Krai. Hes the man that outsmarted the goddess of wisdom herself! The second of the eleven fatui harbingers, a man made god!
No. 468993
>>468897Now that you mention it, yeah, when you put it that way Dottore was simply trying to cure a deadly disease ravaging the country by putting children through his experiments, not out of sadistic pleasure. Arlecchino had no reason to groom child soldiers by torturing them. I would've accepted and cherished an actually evil Arlecchino but you're not even supposed to see her as a villain like Dottore is framed as, she's just a wooby mommy friend who exists only to strap Furina self inserters.
>>468898Good fucking lord.
No. 469140
>>468889Oh it's this guy who also believes the endgame is Childe being with Ann, the oceanid NPC who's his destined partner.
>>468903They're already calling people transphobic for not liking this idea because wanting a character to stay the gender the company made them playable as is bad. So many are treating it as true that I want to stab Da Wei and I'm not even a yume.
No. 469150
>>468792>milking female audience and giving them false hope.So just like Mhy.
You are right about their games though, the closest non omnipandering game they have is Granblue Fantasy but even that game became a slog. Joseimuke gets no real budget or involves collecting cards and rarely branches out. I wish we could get an anime game that caters to everyone without throwing female players under the bus. Genshin was that and now isn't anymore. I do feel like Japan could be the only place to make a game that could shake things up, but they're so bad at gachas and managing their games that I don't expect much.
No. 469225
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>>468969So this is all a part of Dottore's 5D chess, galaxy brain strategy. It all makes sense now, I KNEEL.
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>>469150>BRUH NIGGA SO PEAKShonentards never get the memo kek
No. 469400
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Lorefags, I have a genuine question. How many questions in the genshin lore have actually been answered? All I see is that they keep adding things on to a mile long lore document with a billion open ends but nothing even has an ending. Has there been a thing they foreshadowed early on and then actually delivered on? There was Scaramouche being related to Raiden, but it was never a super secret theory.
No. 469499
>>468959This is why I'm paranoid they really will make him a girl. I can't think of anything else they'll do since they won't waste any development on a character they can't sell anymore. They'll keep his fans around with some merch, but nothing good in story. Childe lorefags couldn't accept that he was treated badly in Fontaine. If it wasn't his time to shine then he shouldn't have been there. It was just to generate some hype but they refuse to admit that he wasn't done well there, or that Mhy is under no obligation to actually give him a good story in lore because they only care about sales. They keep thinking that Mhy values this story so much.
>>469385I wish someone would just to get them to stop pandering to incels so much.
>>469400Nothing. This keeps being compared to lazzo and look how the hype from that turned out. We got boring harbingers. But people will lap up any slop Mhy gives them, so they think Arlecchino wasn't retconned. How do you reason with people like that?
No. 469593
>>469571Exactly, honestly, I want to remember the good designs of girls, like Noelle, she's cute and cool, there's also Ayaka, Barbara, Chiori, Diona, Qiqi, Klee, Kujou Sara, Sucrose, Xinyan and Yun Jin. I think they're the characters that I just can't hate because they're actually well done and have toned down coom aspects.
No. 469614
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>>469596>>469593Speaking of design, they're now getting away with a blatant copypaste of the pose and the JP VA.
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saw this getting throw around and kek, imagine being so up your own ass you're confused as to why your gigastacy biker mary sue flopped
No. 469679
>>469614According to leaks current Mihoyo staff is obsessed with Wuthering Waves now so we can expect more plagiarism, leaks are saying that Castorice in HSR is basically going to be a Shorekeeper ripoff and forced waifu like Firefly was in Penacony. There are also rumors about how they gave Mavuika her stupid bike to ape Scar from WuWa because they thought it was cool. It's like Chinese gacha game incest.
>>469632It genuinely baffles me how blind they are to the peoples' aversion to Mary Sues. Of course nobody would give a shit about Mavuika when you make her perfect in every way. I absolutely hated Ei but at least she pissed me off enough to hate her for being a horrible character in the story, for Mavuika I felt basically nothing because that's the imprint she left on me.
>>469641He's absolutely going to be resurrected as a waifu. Mark my words.
No. 469683
>>469679According to the same leaks and to the ending of Natlan's quest, he's likely coming back as the human incarnation of Yohualtecuhtin the lord of the night (female), since he fused with her to spite Ronova as a last minute asspull.
Watch yuritrannies and goonminists cheering up because "icky male got female'd we won sisters".
No. 469689
>>469634>mtf ChildePlease tell me this isn't actually happening.
>>469679This makes me despise Wuwa now. I know Snowbreak is the holy grail for incels, but the fact that people want all gacha to be like Wuwa with nothing but girls all being ML for a bland male MC makes me wish Wuwa would EOS.
No. 469693
>>469689Of course if is
nonnie, they’re going to make Wanderer a pooner too so they can re-release him as a girl to appease the cat-killers in China.
No. 469800
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I know we talk alot about Arelechinno being ruined, but look at skirk! Even if her old designs were coom at least they resembled the abyss instead of a honkai girl with a 2016 Roblox galaxy outfit. She looks like a royale high reject! Genuinely awful. The feared warrior is another short lolibaba. Citlali, they made you a friend!
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>>469800Nah. THIS was the real Skirk design robbery.
No. 469817
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Having a sister and being an Hoyo character is literally a death sentence. You don't get to have your own character arc, you're doomed to eternally glaze your sister while you yourself sit happily in the cuck corner. God forbid you get to show an ounce of personality or have any kind of interest that isn't related to your sibiling. This applies to Ayato, Lyney, Sunday and will probably apply to Childe as soon as we step foot in Nod Krai / Snezh.
No. 469855
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>>469817This. And aside from Lyney and Lynette, it is always the sister who is the sweet, approachable one with zero real flaws, while the brother ends up as the duty-bound, evil keikaku master working from the shadows to protect his sister’s smile. They never give the female sibling actual believable flaws, she is always the flawless waifu who only thinks about love and peace. I have noticed this with Ayaka, Robin, and Serval. And I am pretty sure Tonia and Childe will also have a similar dynamic. Hoyo writers seem completely incapable of writing female characters with realistic flaws. At most, they will make her a terrible cook (Therta, Ei) or a self-obsessed narc who cannot shut up about how kawaii she is (Elysia, M7).
No. 469996
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Genshin posts a few white day arts and one out of the three is the fucking robot dog. They truly do not give a shit about their female player base anymore.
No. 470005
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>Valentine's get Citlali (THE waifufag character), Shenhe (Token porny character) and Melusines (Token furry character)
>White day is literally who cares #1, literally who cares #2, literally who cares #3 (which is a robot DOG by the way)
This truly felt like their biggest "fuck you" to women so far. Guess I'm off replaying my favorite otomes for white day since I know the stream will probably be more waifu wanking.
No. 470013
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>>470010Normalfags are way too gullible. Many women are seeing this as a genshin problem, not a hoyo problem in general. I have already seen so many posts claiming HSR is superior just because it had the better White Day lineup, when the reality is that both games are garbage when it comes to how they treat their female player base.
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>>469996>Here’s your gift from a emo cabbage farmer who gets bitched by Aether’s whore>Here’s your gift from the uggo yaoi shill, with his creepy radioactive eyes>Here’s your gift from a fucking fake dog, because you’re a stupid bitch for staying here!Happy white day sisters!
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>>470010HSR still has more bishounen and hot men than Genshin which only has Childe, Zhong, Ayato, Wriothesley and…yeah that's about it
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>>470013As lolcow’s resident Sethosfag allow me to say that even I wasn’t happy with this. Just another disingenuous example of Hoyoverse using my poor boy as a disarming tool for moids after the whole Scaramouche birthday debacle. At this point I just wish they would forget he exists so I can live in peace.
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ifa
No. 470067
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>>470005The one-two punch of the retarded white day picks and revealing Ifa's ugly as sin design today on the stream. Wow. Are there any female devs left on the team at all? Whoever designed Varesa and Ifa should be shot.
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>>470065It's true, they do love ripping off things from the better devs
No. 470077
>>469869Preach.
>>470007They really said "here, go fuck a dog."
>>470067What in the smooth criminal… His face is actually really cute and his skin suits it, but they just had to make his outfit busy af and not even in the Tighnari way.
No. 470079
>>470067>anemo>teased for future patchesHe's going to be the token male 5
isn't he. RIP my savings for Dahlia 5. Not that I had any hope to begin with.
No. 470083
>>470077>His face is actually really cute and his skin suits it, but they just had to make his outfit busy af and not even in the Tighnari way.this is exactly how I feel, his fit looks terrible. how the fuck did we go from alhaitham and wriothesley to this?
just wishing he's a 4 star so I can get him with standard wishes now.
No. 470085
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>>470067He looks normal in the art, it’s just another Diluc, Albedo, Itto situation where the model is ugly but the art makes them look handsome. I wonder why only male characters seem to suffer this. What a mystery!
No. 470086
>>469850It sucks because Lyney was actually supposed to be yumebait, he always cared about lynette but he's also one of the male characters who was really into tabibito however of course the moids at hoyo got mad and turned him into a siscon.
>>470065I personally like the droopy eyes and the neck tattoo. His outfit is ugly
No. 470097
>>470096Kek, to make it even worse Ifa is anemo. We already have so many male anemo characters.
>inb4 but he is our first tall male anemo character!I literally dont care. Collecting only male characters sucks because i already have to many on field and offield anemo characters. Make it stop
No. 470106
>>469800People are actually hype for her. She's going to sell because Genshin fans love eating garbage.
>>469855It's a trend I'm very tired of. But then idiots on twitter also hate characters having flaws, especially female characters, because if you talk about her flaws that's misogyny. Now hsr will do the same "pure little sister, evil brother" with the Elysia and Kevin expys. Even the "feminists" don't want flawed women, look at how they ate up Arlecchino being defanged into a good parent.
>>469996To be fair, the Valentine's art also had random melusines. But yes, people are defending this which is why trying to complain about this treatment is pointless because it will be called misogyny.
>>470013The problem with hsr is they have good husbandos but they also treat them like shit. It's the same tactic as Genshin but no one ever learns. They'll become irrelevant in the story and in the meta, with some merch churned out to keep women happy, like how they're pimping out Aventurine. They will fuck over men who don't sell, like Sunday.
No. 470108
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Childe is now being called a "she" because of these theorists. I can't even say it would be delusional to turn a male into a female after years of advertising them to players as male because Hyv is this disgusting. Even if it's a theory it's already enough for troons to take it as fact and bully people into calling Childe a girl.
No. 470109
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>>470085>I wonder why only male characters seem to suffer thisyou have to be joking when characters like yelan, shenhe, and yae exist. they all look cute or beautiful in their 2d art but have horrible models, especially the faces. yelan's model was so low quality the devs felt they had to fix her nails after her release (3.4).
No. 470115
>>470113Also scaramouche, albedo.
Mondstadt - very focused on venti, diluc, kaeya, albedo
Liyue - very focused on zhongli, childe, xiao
Inazuma - the first region that's waifu dominated, but still we had kazuha being featured in every single event and the first inazuman playable character
Sumeru - very focused on most of the playable male characters, alhaitham, tighnari, cyno, scaramouche
Fountaine - very focused on neuvilette, lyney and alhaitham are also plot relevant
Natlan -
crickets No. 470117
>>470113This is why you have lorefags trying to say that Childe will revert back into a woman. They can't imagine a man being important so he has to be a girl.
>>470116>Not to bat on the side of the waifus, but has anybody questioned why they refuse to make good female characters?
This conversation can never happen when people think it's misogyny to even question a female character's writing. They don't actually want flawed female characters. Immature people want to see themselves as perfect, so they want to be a sad waifu, not see themselves in a woman who's fucked up. Even thought most of these yuricel gacha feminists aren't nice good people themselves.
No. 470125
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War and Famine have the nerve to sit upon the same horse.
No. 470132
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>>470074Whenever I see this guy I wonder if the designers saw pic related and got a very wrong idea.
No. 470141
>>470134>It's why I assumed Gege Akutami was female, I could not believe a man created Gojo, Geto, Choso, etc.What? Gojo is just a moid's version of a bishie, and he depises him for that. Not to mention he looks ugly as fuck in gege's original artstyle. Geto and the rest are just typical manly shounen characters and toji is literally the most blatant example of male hands at work. I refuse to believe a japanese woman would create a character like toji, he just oozes of tryhard
toxic masculinity. They're all characters that appeal to the male aesthetic, but mappa made them look prettier for the fujobucks.
No. 470142
>>470141>I refuse to believe a japanese woman would create a character like toji, he just oozes of tryhard toxic masculinityTo be fair
he either has a backstory of being a sugar baby, or would have become one if he wasn't a sorcerer, and the idea of a scrote assigning that trait to a character who is otherwise muh manly strong man is very funny.
No. 470155
>>470065>>470067I actually think he's cute. An Anemo character can at the very least hold VV to provide something to a team. My concern is we really don't need more Anemo healers when Jean is standard and Cloud Retainer also does the plunge thing. He'll need to provide something else to the team to really give value. In an ideal world he'd do Bennett things but I doubt they'll want to undercut Iansan so soon.
>>470074Oh come on, his design is nowhere near as offensive as this creatura. The design is clearly Steve Irwin + doctor.
No. 470161
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>>470145>>470151>>470156>>470159What do you get out of this game as a female player if not for the fujobait?
No. 470176
>>470116People have actually zero expectations for female characters, they just need to look cute and/or sexy and have a fun personality trope. Women into male characters usually have much higher standards so they actually have to put effort and thought into writing them.
>>470117>This conversation can never happen when people think it's misogyny to even question a female character's writing.Every time I try to have this conversation with other women defending hoyowaifus they just start bitching about how I can't call the bad writing out because these characters are their precious kinnies and totally just like them so subsequently that makes me a misogynist. I hate it so much.
No. 470195
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>>470189Yeah the retarded infighting isn't helping. Can we all agree that Hoyo baiting both fujo and yumes only to end up as a nothingburger sucks? We all deserve better than this
No. 470211
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>>470207>>470206Look at this incredibly well written male character with proper screentime/arc.
No. 470228
>>470151I fail to see why your post
triggered fujos to have a melty when we’ve already accepted this as hoyo’s strategy in the thread before
(fujo bait) No. 470233
>>470228I don't think it was that, it was calling women "braindead" that did it.
Then again, husbandofags are also braindead losers aren't they? This thread is about braindead losers who played this game together.
No. 470234
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>>470227>into shaming waifufag scrotes actually ruining the gameLel yumes there are constantly defending waifufags while shitting on fujos unprovoked.
(infight/bait) No. 470239
>>470234I shit you not, go visit Sethos' White day art on social media and see the comments. 99% of them is talking about sethoscara in a post where sethoscara isn't even mentioned.
As a yume this
obviously pisses me off but I don't go around blaming fujos themselves. If anything this sort of behavior is enabled by hoyo flip flopping between pandering to both yumes and fujos. Nobody is to blame here except them
No. 470461
>>470424Not really, the game is going full on waifufag galore while actively pissing on its female fanbase, see
>>469996 You could ignore anything past Fontaine and wait for Nod Krai but there's no guarantee it won't be scrote haven 2
No. 470462
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Slight blogpost but I got gifted one of these and while I really appreciate the gesture I can't help but shame the money that Hoyo pocketed. That and that the game still pretends to be for the general audiences while churning out waifushit in game, it enrages me to no end.
No. 470588
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I would unironically pull if they started making bishies with facial hair. I went insane for Gallagher.
No. 470619
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>>470618Maybe animu games arent for you, you should try AAA normie moidslop. It has plenty of boring men with facial hair.
No. 470624
>>470623>But these men are uglyso is gallagher. There is that ugly scrote from Limbus company too, i think his name is Gregor and this redditor from
>>470074 There is no shortage of ugly unwashed facepubed male characters in anime, we do not need more.
No. 470625
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>>470624Ouch, is it really such a universal hate? Also you called me out with Gregor, I was keeping that husbando under wraps because he is an ugly roach. But I guess I can see why some people want their beautiful men to stay beautiful. Like when handmaidens give Neuvillette an ugly triangle beard. (Shudder)
No. 470699
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>>470697I'd be mad about a five star Ifa too simply because I was saving for my boy Dahlia, and obviously nu-Hoyo isn't going to release two five star males in a row. Praying they just keep him as a four star.
No. 470702
>>470669>>470672One my biggest problem with Mihoyo's writing has always been that the writers room is too aware of self inserters (be it yumes or just the random incel) and fujos/yurifags to the point that they simply refuse to let characters interact meaningfully with someone of the opposite gender. Initially we barely got actual cast interactions and that got better overtime but still it feels almost forbidden to have a male character to have an actual important relationship with a female character and that be displayed onscreen.
We see little hints of it here and there, like Kinichi being a part of a friendship trio with Mualani and Ororon and Ctlali in Natlan or Neuvilette and Furina etc. Please, dont get me wrong, I dont want shipbait, I mean just actual normal interactions that happen onscreen. Like, I kind of wish we had seen Nahida and Scaramouche's dynamics for more than 5 seconds, I think the idea of her acting as his stern older sister is pretty funny and adorable.
No. 470705
>>470699Dahlia is so cute. Wont get me to redownload especially if he's just a throwaway 4 star but I'll enjoy the fanart from afar.
>>470702Yeah, I guess its because most people working at hoyo are otaku themselves which is why that awareness seeps through so blatantly to the actual detriment of the game.
No. 470722
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>>470702Nahida and Wanderer make up one of my favourite dynamics in the game and I say that as someone with 0 attraction to Scara; no prior investment, I just think they’re great. But oh, here come the fucking Chinese pedophiles to hiss and kick and throw poor Sethos in the ring as meat fodder because they can’t stand their Theresa expy interacting with a man onscreen (literally a dick-less puppet, mind you) for longer than 0.3 seconds. Scrotes, everyone.
No. 470790
>>470588Normally I'm not a fan of facial hair on these characters (Every wriothesley facial hair edit ive ever seen has been painfully ugly imo) but I think your picrel is actually cute, cuter than the actual ifa anyways.
>>470614KEK agreed
No. 470822
>>470682They don't want more male five stars in Natlan.
>>470702I think this is why some of the more fun, in my opinion, yaoi is ones not corpo mandated and where people ship characters because of potential or strength of personality. The fandom needs to spend less time arguing about what's "implied" and just let people do whatever they want. In this way I feel like older game not spoonfeeding was more interesting since what they do spoonfeed is very bland and safe. Even Arlefuri became nothing but the same stale yuri fluff after Arle was defanged. We had a nice brief moment of the dark fanartists going to town but of course Hoyo can't write yuri that good.
> Initially we barely got actual cast interactions and that got better overtime but still it feels almost forbidden to have a male character to have an actual important relationship with a female character and that be displayed onscreen. This is the same fanbase that couldn't have Childe and Yoimiya interact without people crying on both sides about being cucked. I don't care that much for m/f ships so no ships being canon is fine by me, but then when you see people throw tantrums about the simplest of interactions you can predict the story so far. People hoping that Skirk will interact nicely with Childe are deluded, they'll undercut him to sell her. But these decisions that are obvious to people who know how gacha works gets rewritten in fandom as happening only because it's "best for the story". Likewise you'll see less of Scaramouche interacting meaningfully with Nahida since this broke incels brains. They couldn't even let him be in the picture for her birthday event. I don't know why Hoyo even bothered putting them together if they're going to cave to incels and remove him from the story.
>>470769This is what made me think that Hoyo ship pushing fanservice feels so sterile and corporate. No hate to people who think they're cute, but when I was seeing people say "Finally Sethos can't be shipped with Cyno", it felt pair the spares. People were trying to brother zone Sethos and Cyno to not break up the approved Sumeru ships and the more fanservice they do, the more it also feels like the yaoi equivalent of being afraid to let even the Sumeru guys interact with other guys outside their "assigned ship". So now my problem is that all interactions in this game feel generic and trying to sell you on a ship or trying not to piss off incels, and it breaks my immersion in these characters and this world. Why care about any character anymore when you know how they'll end up? You know no one will be truly that flawed. You know if a male and female character are related, they're going to make the sister the pure girl and the brother the mastermind trying to protect her. You know male and female friendships will be sterile and offscreened, and that the company mandated yaoi and yuri will be safe and tame. What's there to be attached to when the company itself limits your own imagination?
No. 470887
Like if you want a boring forced fujo ship with plain toast dynamic, that's obviously cyno and tighnari, but alhaitham and kaveh have comedic appeal, they're the only fujo ship in genshin with funny dialogue and a stronger backstory (other than kaeya and diluc). I think it's weird how you guys only have a bone to pick with them, when there's other ships that are 10x worse and less developed. Ayato and thoma are boring, itto doesn't have any good fujo ships, zhongli and childe is a deluded fantasy, neuvilette and wriothesley don't have enough interactions, baizhu doesn't have a fujo ship, kinich is literally on his own etc. Alhaitham and kaveh are the only ship where the writers put a bit more effort. Now you have a problem with ifa and ororon, just because fans ship them.(Fujosperg outside containment)
No. 470890
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Are we really going to spent the rest of the thread in a fujo vs yume samsara
No. 470970
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>>470909And then Diluc helps with the garden, while Ifa tends to the animals.
No. 471256
>>470887Tell me, why can short male characters only be shipped with other short male characters? And don't give me the "because they're meant to be minors" when you have characters like Venti and Xiao who're several thousand years old. I'm not shipping Kinich with anyone, but why shouldn't someone ship him with, say, Ororon if they want? As long as you have a creative bone in your body, you could pull it off, and for pwp slop they reason two characters are fucking doesn't count anyway.
Imo that's the biggest problem in fandom these days. Zoomers need "permission" from the devs to ship something. If there's no cheap bait, they can't come up with ships of their own. It's rather sad. Why limit your5self like that?
No. 471262
>Open the thread>Multiple anons shipping ScaraNahida romantically and saying "well Nahida might LOOK like a loli but….!" Just EOS this game I don't want it around if it breeds people like this
>>470887They banned her because she spoke the truth, godspeed to our fallen soldier
(bait) No. 471278
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Forever kekking at lesbians thinking they're the target audience somehow. Imagine siding with moids who only see you as a dog meant to be corrected by dick.
No. 471322
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>>471278holy shit she's going in hard
No. 471391
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>>471322Oh they're being so fucking delusional right here…
No. 471460
>>470856I do think it's annoying when het ships get claimed canon when male and female characters are friends, yeah. There's no way for them to do this without pissing off the most hardcore yumes and guys obsessed with ML. I do think friendship could happen, but it's the nature of fandom that makes it unlikely because people want to fight for what ships are canon even if nothing is canon. I do think it's annoying when it happens with the assigned yaoi and yuri ships too.
>>470879I agree with this, that's why they feel too "sterile" and boring to me. This anon who has to put down other Genshin yaoi
>>470887 because they think the roommates are the best yaoi ever are also why I tire of Haikaveh and their superiority complex. I would rather people go back to shipping characters just because, which this anon tries to put down because we must all need company approval and a certain amount of interactions. it's Haikaveh that started the shipping drama and the need for people to think that the only
valid ships are ones pushed by Mhy, as if they can ever write anything interesting anymore.
No. 471462
>>471095Until they make Childe into a woman out of spite for husbando fans. That's what the theorists are saying.
>>471278This is the same person who says Zhongli isn't really a man so they can ship him with Guizhong and call it yuri. They call other people man obsessed but pretend their favorite isn't a man and nobody can call out this hypocrisy.
No. 471536
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>>471095>>471462Who needs incels when lore theorists will call you a misogynist for not wanting Childe to become a woman? Does anyone who pays attention to the lore know where this shit is coming from and how credible this is? No one will be allowed to be against it without being called a misogynist.
>>471520They don't even admonish incels. These people have more heat for fujos and any "man liker" than they ever will incels.
No. 471538
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>>471536Wtf even is this? They think that Firefly from Hsr is a trans character and not waifubait for incels?
No. 471647
>>471498Do fujos even care that much about being baited by Hoyo? From what I have noticed, they latch onto ships with minimal bait and keep creating content for them even after Hoyo abandons them. Like, Zhongli and Childe have had no interactions since the Liyue patch, yet they are still the most popular Genshin ship on Lofter and AO3.
>>471538Kek don't think too much about it anon. Twitterfags are retarded, I had also seen them claiming that she is "disability representation"(whatever that means), all because she has a made-up disease that will probably never be mentioned again in the story.
No. 471671
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I feel like these are people who grew up exclusively on anime and have never actually experienced a good female characters and instead exclusively listen to video essayists who claim “Middle schooler harem in another world” is peak feminist literature and NGE is the best anime ever created. They then parrot those terrible talking points to everyone else to justify their completely un-woke favs. “Firefly isn’t my waifu, she’s actually a trans disabled allegory for oppressive masculinity and if you don’t like it when I jerk off to her infront of you, you’re a transmisogynistic pig, and maybe you should re-evaluate your latent biases as a woman who actually experience real problems, unlike me, who exists only on twitter.” I would hate yurifags less if they stuck to breakcore.
No. 471984
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Thank you, my glorious queen Castorice for being the one to singe handedly ruin HSR and hopefully the rest of the waifu gacha industry. Hear me out everyone: Once global passives become the accepted standard and every new waifu unit comes packaged with a permanent global +10% Crit damage and speed passive, Hoyo shills will have to do increasing amounts of mental gymnastics just to continue playing the game for as long as possible. I give it a year after her release before they start filtering out due to egregious power creep being too bad for their delusion to cover. I’m even excited for when this inevitably spreads to the upcoming new open world gachas, Genshin and zzz. Because you’re high if you don’t think the Tsaritsa’s c2 isnt gonna be some stupid 20% buff to all cryo characters or fatui harbingers. ZZZ hasn’t even been out for a year and they are already BEGGING fujos to care with their yaoi Twilight event, desperately re-releasing Anby as a limited 5 star. Especially with the increasing greed with the night soul system, terrible QOL and double synergistic 5 star banners, the writing is on the wall. The short term revenue gain from this will fool them into a false sense of security, making them carelessly disregard dwindling player numbers until it’s too late.
Once other studios catch wind of how much money she will inevitably generate (It has to be Mauvika levels of revenue, minimum 80m), they will follow suit with their own global passives, causing what I call inter-studio power creep, or negative competition. This will eventually boom gacha gaming back to the stone age where every game is a P2W cashgrab cutthroat waifu collector, with huge tits constantly flopping on screen. Except this time replace shitty live2d anachronistic fantasy slop with shitty cell shaded cyberpunk splatoon ripoff 3d models. In a bid to outgoon each other each company will simply go lower. (Snowbreak) More loli, more fanservice, more leader boards, pvp, more 5 stars, more hentai, useless unless c2 r1, kill off all the men, more fear grind, beg incels, bikini skins, shirk entire western audience, TOF dorms, nipple bumps, kill lumine, bow to NTR/feminism rumors, heavier marketing. This will scare off what little remaining normies from the game, and Hoyo will be bleeding revenue, as less and less people are willing to throw their money at Hoyo, since brand loyalty is in question. It will no longer be the “safe, casual” option.
If my tinfoiling is correct, we can thank her for the future sensory tower recession, and only nonsexual gachas will survive the fall. (Pokémon, DBZ). Nonnas, if she really has revival passives, I will be whaling 1000$ on her just as a sincere thank you to whichever Megalia insider was behind this change. It is too genius to be made by a male just trying to buff his waifu and undercut the sexy bishie. Mydei was a necessary sacrifice, he will be mourned, effectively the last male character granted a penis. The shills are already talking about not caring about Castorice, and she won’t have an impact on the game. If only they knew kek…
No. 471992
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>>471989Sorry, I assumed everyone here also played HSR. She is the newest 5 star waifu in the next patch of HSR, with a quirk in her kit that sets a dangerous precedent. Once you obtain her, you get one free team revive per battle. It does not matter whether she is in your team or not, you get revived. It’s innocent enough, but the implication is dangerous nonna. So by obtaining a character, your entire account gets better regardless of if you use her or not. So they can add whatever the hell they want to a character’s passive, and you would be compelled to pull them to increase your accounts power. Like if pulling Mauvika added 50% energy recharge to EVERY character on your account, simply because you owned her.
No. 472008
>>471987>>471990Nightsoul and Mavuika shilling have been obnoxious as of late. Even more obnoxious than whatever we had in Fontaine.
>BUT NEUVILLETTEOptional. Some bosses can straight up one-shot you if you don't have a Natlan character (nightsoul shilling) and Theater of Imaginarium is a massive pain in the ass.
>>471984Is ZZZ powercreep that bad? I know HSR has been in a dark place ever since 3.0 because of
>the powercreep and the khjillion HP bosses>old units becoming unusuable in less than 3 patches>Sunday potentially getting shafted because he didn't hit the jackpot according to Hoyo's standards>HSR husbando collectors being cucked further down the line if HSR follows Genshin's treatment (no more males in the story, 1 5* male per year, etc…) No. 472328
>>472300I can see how hoyo will have an excuse to make snowy snezhnaya characters dress skimpy.
There'd be a hypersexualized ballerina, figure skater, KGB spy prostitute, another incel-bait citlali babushka with matryoshka aesthetic and twitter will eat it up.
No. 472383
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>>471984I know I’m coping hard, but Mydei is doing surprisingly okay for a character that was basically sent out to die—dogshit kit and animation, no PV, and his banner dropping right between the anniversary patch and a Harmony unit. It’s almost as if they went out of their way to make sure he flopped. But despite everything, he managed to reach #1 on Sensor Tower (Aglaea and Tribbie couldn’t). In China, he peaked just one rank below Aglaea’s quad banner, which seems fair enough considering how badly he was sabotaged by Hoyo.
No. 472385
>>472383It’s fine nonna, I am coping too. This is all the master plan of a genius feminist on the inside of Hoyoverse, and they Mydei is their message to us that Hoyo will fall and billions must be lost.
Also the anatomy in picrel is so deeply fucked.
No. 472444
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I am so unbelievably excited for Castorice’s release, I’m giddy every day. This must be how it feels to unironically be into waifus. I’m her number one shill. This is modern day “Flynn’s Booty”, and people are Reddit tier smug about being scammed. It’s like Americans celebrating tariffs, do they not realize “you too” means YOU TOO?
No. 472747
>>472117>>472300>>472107For all that it sucks that we haven't gotten more men in Genshin, there IS something deliciously ironic in the fact that 2024 was by far the worst selling in Genshin's history yet when we only got one male 5
when 2022 was the best selling, and it's the year we got 5 male 5s (Itto, Ayato, Tighnari, Cyno and Wanderer) being the most balanced year in the history of the game so far (its the year Shenhe, Yelan, Nilou, Nahida and Yae released).
Contrary to Castoriceanon tho, I do think Mihoyo is becoming aware that fanservice is not going to save the Genshin's playerbase and sales numbers. They shot themselves in the foot by purposefully sabotaging Genshin when HSR released and never really picked it up again but at least Fontaine still met quota of earning a billion in the entire year. I think Da Wei's strategy was to appeal to a "core Hoyoverse audience" with the fanservice but that's simply not Genshin's audience, it never was. There's a reason Genshin went viral and not HI3rd and a lot has do to with the gender ratio of the game being 40/60. Women keep fandoms alive, buy merch, promote events, make fan art and fan fiction, tiktok edits, cosplays and everything. There's no random moid making a tiktok sound with Paimon's voice that goes viral and indirectly promote the game and it keep it alive on a cultural level and while women will accept a level of fanservice, there is such a thing as pushing them out, specially when other games that specifically cater to us are coming out more frequently.
No. 472751
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They don’t need to shill Furina this hard, they already discovered infinite money glitch with the omnipandering sad waifu Furina. It’s just a victory lap
>>472747That requires them to be self aware. Maybe I’m underestimating them but I don’t believe companies like Hoyo ever plan for longevity. They will see short term benefits and chase that high because their investors will execute them if they don’t. There is no way in hell they heel-turn back to serving women during Nod Krai and Snez when they 1. Hate women, 2. Have guaranteed profit high profit from (if desperate, Signora), Columbina, Sandrone, and Tsaritsa as booby waifus. 3. Have already driven people players out in droves. And if the other doomposters are right, Da Wei is all in on HSR, and wants to ruin Genshin’s original vision out of spite and pride, not because he thinks fanservice is a last resort. The devs cant even deliver artifact loadouts, and you think they’ll change their mind on fanservice?
I want you to be right so bad, but these are moids we are talking about. Emotion driven, egotistical, and impossible to reason with.
No. 472819
>>472751Yeah, people love to say that companies are "apolitical" and only motivated by money it's still extremely clear that it's a chosen stand to specifically not pander to women out of their own male hubris. They know women are a profitable audience, they know omnigacha will bring in the best profits which is why HI3 never came near to Genshin's success. They just don't
want women to give them money. They don't
want to be branded as the company giving women what they want because they want that moid gamer clout. They would rather let the company sink than go back to giving us a 40/60 gender ratio. Neuvillette alone proved that people will roll for male characters if they just have a good kit because most whales go for meta. Yet they don't care because they're moids first and foremost. Pretty sure they rolled out the nightsoul mechanic specifically to force players to roll for the characters because losing the female audience means they'll have to come up with other ways to milk players for money, i.e. pay to win mechanics.
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Everything about her is so exhausting… They couldn't even say she eats as much as three grown men or something, they say she eats for fifty, even eighty in a quote by Mavuika.
No. 472830
>>472829Vore update coming to genshin
No. 472858
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>>472830Everything about this character pisses me off to no end. The blantant feeder fetish that's everywhere in her voicelines. The x-ray shot in her trailer. Her attack animations being a coomer's mockery of wrestling moves. Her "fat" model only having bigger thighs while still keeping her waist relatively tiny. The luchador motif that's only present in her burst but is not actually related to her sonic-sprinting and that looks jarringly out of place. Her being a pink cow for no good reason other than to probably plug her in the hoyo vtuber agency they're going to launch. I thought Mizuki flaunting her ass in her burst and her whole ASMR nukige-worthy scenes were this game's rock bottom but she's mild compared to Varesa
No. 472872
>>471671The only thing wrong is the fanfics part. These yurishitters don't write fic or else they wouldn't be crying about how m/m has more fics on ao3 and why this justifies them harassing fujos and calling them "male centered". But yes, a lot of these people only know about certain classic anime like Eva, Madoka, and Utena, which is why when a Hoyo game does a reference to them they call it peak. This is also why that one troon keeps saying Childe is going to be a woman and have an Utena arc.
>>472300Did anyone see that one interview some guy had with the devs? They just couldn't understand why people weren't crazy about Mavuika. These devs really thought she was a hit.
>>472383>>472429Yup, don't fall for their trap. They will shill him now and then drop him in the next planet or only milk merch. Look how they're going to shaft Sunday. I believe the reason husbandofags accept this is because this is just how we're always treated. Any anime related project catered "to everyone" always picks the straight male audience. But people are used to eating sloppy seconds from shounen anime, or from big jrpg companies, we're used to the husbandos dying or being off screened and female players being paid dirt. Every omni gacha is like this, and people get used to feeding themselves with merch and fan content. Which is why moids can never create for themselves outside of AI ugly porn, they've always been catered to. They never had to learn skills to feed themselves.
No. 473021
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>>472946Again the Childe lorists are arguing he needs to be a girl and it's not a stupid thing for Hoyo to do because of Firefly. She really is the character who made people accept the worst waifu pandering and writing choices. But even in her case, people didn't get playable Sam for five years and then got Firefly. It would be worse for Genshin to ask husbando fans to open their wallets for Childe for five years and then suddenly make him a girl. But now they're insulated from all criticism because online troons think this is trans representation.
No. 473041
>>473021I notice this person is in the same circles as all those other Hoyo fauxminists who defend the waifubait like their life depends on it and who thinks that Hoyo just wants to show strong women. All the lorefags who call people "male centered" for talking about how bad Natlan was.
Can they not get sued for this in China? For false advertising a character when they've already been playable? Hoyo would deserve hell if they do this.
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I know anons here are complaining abotu Fatui getting defanged, but honestly I think the worst case is Scaramouche so far. It looks like they put a 180° on him, blamed everything on Dottore and turned him into a joke where he can't even be fully used in his events.
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>>473047More information on the old descriptions though. I can hear the Arlecopers saying she only brutally kills her enemies and children aren't her enemies!
No. 473053
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>>473048>>473047As an OG Scarafag this shit is depressing. His Fatui design isn't playable and the one that is a complete goody two shoes skinwalking as him. His entire lore got erased from the game and the devs got everyone to eat that up with "M-Muh suicide". And now it predictably turns out that what was shown in the Unreconciled Stars event is but a fraction of what was originally planned for him.
There's nobody in the Fatui that got more fucked in the ass than Scara.
No. 473055
>>473047Scaramouche was obvious to anyone who understands how storytelling should work, which isn't most of the Genshin fanbase. Back then if you called it the retcon tree and hated how it was done you'd get a bunch of "Hoyo can do no wrong and they always plan their stories well in advance" people arguing that it's not stupid to erase him and make the previous conflict set up with him become null and void. I'm not against redemption and making a guy as villainous as him playable and write the process of redeeming him, but they didn't even do that. What was so so bad about the retcon tree is everyone forgetting about him so he doesn't have to face any conflict or people who might dislike him for what he did, because there's nothing Hoyo hates more than a story conflict that doesn't get resolved offscreen or in two patches or that they can just wave off and hope you forget about it. But people will defend it saying he's not redeemed, or it's not a cop-out because he wants traveler to let people know what he did, you guys!! Even though there's no guarantee it will happen and if it does it means nothing since the
victims have no memory of him, so any emotional moments are lost. I can get behind turning a villain into a tsundere guy who needs friends, but take time with it. Actually develop the character on the screen. But Hoyo can't do that because they need to sell banners right away, which makes any long term development and arc feel wasted. Instead people are happy with shit like birthday letters just telling you that Scaramouche talked to Sethos and that's all the development they need.
>>473048These Arle stans piss me off because they keep saying she was nuanced and not retconned when we never see her act villainous towards traveler or any character. We don't see her kill anyone, just some rich asshole who sucked anyway, painting her as a hero and no different than the other vigilante characters like Diluc or Yelan. This is how you know Dottore isn't going to be playable, btw. They had him used as the fall guy for Scaramouche and now also to make Arle look good by having her say she's protecting the kids from him. Anyone expecting a playable villain in Genshin is fooling themselves.
No. 473064
>>473055I lost Hope for Scaramouche's arc during Inazuma so his appearance in Sumeru and the retcon tree didnt bother me AS much as it normally would. I also thought it was an interesting contrast that they built with him, Dottore and Nahida there. It was also not the first time that Genshin retconned information, I remember that what Zhongli tells us before going to Inazuma ends up just being a straight up lie, and the result is much worse than what actually was implied so bc the AQ in Sumeru was actually pretty good I went easier on it in regards to his character assassination.
What actually baffles me, tho, is that there's an entire event AND a story quest setting up an eventual confrontation between Kazuha and Scaramouche that was completely null. That was what? A few patches before Scaramouche's arc? Surely by then his defanging was already planned, right? So why even fucking bother?? Did I really just waste up around 4 Hours doing a quest that set up absolutely nothing because Kazuha literally does not know who tf Scaramouche is anymore??? Are Scaramouche and Ei simply never going to meet again???? When his mommy issues is his number one defining characteristic????
I kind of hate that Genshin doesnt make alts like HSR because I feel like they do all this set up and then never fucking resolve it because there's a limit to how much copies of a character they can sell. We can literally count in one hand the number of character that have their character arcs completes: Xiao, Diona and recently Hu Tao.
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How it felt being a Dottore fan, a Scaramouche fan, and a Dottoscara shipper. I abandoned ship after retcon tree sunk it. Dottore made all his clones using Scaramouche’s body. What now? What about the remaining clones? What about Dottore’s resentment for Scaramouche’s continued and unconditional acceptance by society? Even on a meta level, everyone loves wanderer and insults and shuns Dottore and his fans. Being a dottoscara shipper in 2025 is on par with Wrio and the melusine. They threw it all away and they’ll never interact again because they wanted Wanderer safely out of the way and Dottore must be killed. He doesn’t even get to appear in Nahida’s birthday since Sethos already dragged him off to the sex dungeon, never to be seen again. It wasn’t even a popular ship, and they still managed to uniquely screw over fans. It’s never been this over.
if they’re both gonna die or be left irrelevant, they’re definitely star crossed lovers!
No. 473248
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>>472830>>472833>>472858Um, nonna, you're totally the weirdo for seuxlaizing her! Everything she does is totally cute and adorbs! Even though dataminers found extra bones on her ass to show that just like Mavuika, she has ass physics too!
No. 473393
>>473131People want Childe to have that lore upgrade after being teased for so long, and are so ashamed of liking a male character because all these loreists are also the side of twitter that thinks that criticizing any of the Natlan designs or writing is misogyny. They think liking husbandos is male centric so if they like one, they have to be a woman. Just like this person
>>473248 who is always shitting on yaoi and fujoshi and who stans Zhongli but says that Zhongli is a lesbian so therefore they are not "male centric". Also blame Firefly because now people see a troon icon in her and so they will accept any Hoyo bait and switch as representation.
Either way it doesn't work for Childe. It will either be a new girl entirely or it could be some nonsense about him having the spirit of a girl in the past. Either way it won't stop the troops from claiming him and calling you misogynist if you still call him a "he".
No. 473793
>>473728>>473746>>473752It's very difficult to achieve a story based joseimuke RPG for multiple reasons:
1.if you make the MC a girl and the other characters handsome guys people will assume it's just a dating sim
2.if you make all the playable characters male, people will complain about the lack of female characters and claim that your game is misogynistic
3.if you try to yumebait and fujobait at the same time, the fandom will go in flames
4.TIFs
Women have a tendency to sabotage female led original works when their expectations aren't met and also hold them to weird moral purity standards. You're kinda forced to either go the full or implied otome-only route, or sell it as a BL.
No. 473806
>>473793We can split gender ratio 60/40, with men barely in the majority, but make the female characters slightly more important. We can also pull a project moon by not entertaining fan service either way, and giving characters canonical love interests. Although it would be extremely hard to fund such a game, which is why gachas rely on people being overly invested in characters made to fit their fetish. Yumes spend hundreds of thousands on birthday parties alone. Without pandering and only good gameplay, we would end up with something like Limbus Company. A good and known game, little revenue, chill fandom.
Aside from that, the crab bucketing is super real and almost inevitable with projects like this. Theres always gonna be one bpd shit stir looking to make a new callout document. Or drama in some discord server that takes away from work. Any game that starts here would be branded as transphobic/homophobic/anti male, even if games from 4chan manage to get away with worse (yandere sim went years without being criticized, despite starting from a 4chan shitpost). We would get hate from “woke” and “anti-woke”. Even if you are accepting, being near a
terf makes you worse than actual pedos and nazis. Normal female creators are harassed because being a woman on the internet makes you touchable and people feel entitled to your labor. So all developers would need to unironically ftmmaxx.
No. 473828
>>473793most of the time tho what i see people wanting is just a FeMC route for a game like Persona, sort of like something Fire Emblem already does but with a deeper social link system.
Persona 3 Portable actually already did it to much critical aclaim without any of the issues you mentioned would happen in fandom (i genuinely do not think that matters to companies at all and might actually be beneficial lol as long as people are talking about the games and buying it who cares if the fandom space is awful… most fandom spaces are awful by design). the remake not including a FeMC was very much a political decision by the ATLUS higher ups who, very expressively, do not want a female audience for their games even tho Persona has grown more and more popular with women in the last decade - they don't want to piss off their incel audience most likely and, because they are men themselves, they dont believe in the market like this
my point is, like this anon
>>472751 said, it's very much an active political decision. within genshin it probably is directly related to Cao Haoyu stepping down and Da Wei taking the project, something that I think it's of note is that the CEO of Papergames and InFold (the companies responsible for Infinity Nikki and LADS) has mentioned before that he talked with Cao Haoyu about his plans for the company and Mihoyo actually helped with it's foundation by mortgaging some of their stocks so that Infinity Nikki and LADS could be developed
No. 473843
>>473801yes but harem communities don't behave like otome communities, an RPG game like that with many husbandos would have a ton of male-male interactions and inevitably attract a fujo audience, and then yumejoshi will fight with them and ruin the experience for everyone
>>473806once you give them separate love interests, it ruins the entire appeal of joseimuke…
No. 473922
>>473843>>473806Limbus isn't exactly chill considering they also cater to incels. But yes, such a game could never be funded by the West without getting targeted by both moids and other women, who are out to get "man likers". Otome is acceptable, but being a fujo isn't and making something with guys that isn't romance would get you shit from both straight males and yuritroons.
>>473828>>473843I don't think this is necessarily true, lots of joseimuke games in Japan cater to both and fighting is unavoidable. Games like Granblue Fantasy that has self insert pandering, both yaoi/yuri bait and straight ships did fine, although I don't know the drama. Touken Ranbu helped popularize joseimuke and that got popular due to the ability of fans to make their own headcanons or versions of the characters with history as a backdrop, since the actual story is pretty thin. That's also why Genshin got so big. The story isn't super fast moving but it has the right type of worldbuilding to establish a fandom.
Games like Fire Emblem would fit too, since there's dating but people also like to ship characters because of the support system. The most popular and enduring games and fandom aren't only for self insert dating, they always do involve shipping or just having character interactions. But the problem is like what
>>473828 mentioned. Even big JP companies like Atlus have women gamers but they give them nothing. There's no femc for the yumes and they won't let the male protagonist date any of the boys for the fujos. Male characters women like don't get treated well, a far cry from Persona 2 where they made a character like Jun for the female audience. That would never happen with the company now.
Genshin had a lot of flaws but it was fine the way it was. A story based rpg that has a mixed cast but even the female characters were cool and refreshing despite some outliers like Ayaka, because women like cool female characters too and aren't as crazy as the moids. The fact that they fucked up Genshin so bad, all just for incels, is what makes this so tragic. Because there is no current gacha like early Genshin and likely never will be with every dev wanting to pander to incels. Someone knife Dawei already.
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>>473927This is the current state of mixed gender gacha, where women get entire skeletons for their jiggle physics, and 2D animations for every trailer, and specialized events, while the singular ugly husbando they release in a year MAYBE gets a trailer. And there are plenty of women okay with this, and Incels who are enraged women even got something like Brant. Is it possible to get normie women to be based without just making “LADS: open world, slightly less sex”? Will they defend a normal game or will they turn pick me? It’s like plotting a campaign around swing state voters!
No. 473973
>>473930I'm not even sure WuWa is even a good comparison bc I doubt it's playerbase has even near the gender split that Genshin ever had. the entire game seems as if it's advertised in comparison to Genshin, so the extremely sexualized designs for the girls is just a reflection of incel complaints about how "safe" Genshin's designs were
at the end of the day, gooner characters are just an easy way to print money. if a game is solid and interesting enough to stand on it's own, it won't need any special advertising than what we've seen with genshin. it's why whenever a game falls back into hard times they up those antics like genshin is doing rn but when a game doesnt have that audience to begin with, it simply doesn't work
a good example, i think, is project sekai, the vocaloid gacha rhythm game. for a long time gacha rythm games genre was dominated by lolibait shit with idolm@ster, love live and bandori. when gacha games were starting up it was actually one of the most reliable ways to produce a long lasting game and, overtime, and certainly because of the success bandori got with a mixed gender audience, companies tried to expand it to appeal more to women. so enstar and utapri live were released somewhat close to one another and represent both fujos with enstar and yumes with utapri (utapri was initially a otoge IP even), both utapri and love live JP and EN servers shut down in the last 3 years because the company managing them went bankrupt but they were not really faring that well to begin with since enstars was dominating the market
but even with enstars and bandori being really massive, when project sekai released in 2020 it completely wiped out its competition, up until this year it's still the top grossing rhythm gacha in the market and one of it's main characteristic is its split cast (there's 6 male characters in a cast of 26 characters, and the 4 original ones are constantly the most popular characters in the cast) (there's also one character, mizuki, who's gender is… left to interpretation? very much implied to be a transwoman or, at least, a crossdresser - and i mean actually implied in game and not in the fandom's headcanon, in mizuki's character card their gender is "???")
being omnipandering really works in favor of project sekai and i find that it's fanbase is a lot more open to multishipping and conversations between fujos and general shippers is a lot more cordial. my point with all of this is, whenever fujos or yumes (or just normal straight shippers in general) aren't fighting for scraps, they do not tend to be as vitriolic with each other as they are in the genshin community
No. 474119
>>473930Women who crawl back to WuWa simply because of Brant fascinate me. Why do you want to hurt yourself like this? There's no husbando interesting enough to make me want to stare at female characters running around in lingerie with carefully modeled tit and ass jiggle physics.
>>473999Yeah as you said, if coom sold as well as moids are always claiming, Genshin wouldn't have had its profits halved after going full goonermode. Snowbreak took the full on porn route and nobody is playing it. Men aren't a faithful audience who will stick through thick and thin just in promises of a crumb of CGI pussy, they will bail the moment a new shiny gacha dangles its waifu keys in front of their faces and they're the first ones to yell "dead game" when a new patch doesn't have two new continents and three new story quests. Gluttonous moid players are the reason most gacha games reach their EOS in 2 years.
No. 474120
>>473988Why do we even need straight shipping that doesn't involve yumejoshi in a joseimuke game? Some of you are for real suggesting to give the husbandos canon wives wtf WHO asked for that?? Like good idea, now you alienated 3/4 of your fanbase. Straight shippers don't need more pandering, they can easily create their own OCs if they're so desperate. First of all, I want a husbando game, I don't care about waifus, we are here to sell a fantasy for female weebs and I'm NOT rolling for used goods. I don't give a shit about muh "complex" male and female friendships and dynamics either. The point is to develop a husbando game similar to how moids have hundreds of waifu games. We don't need more omnipandering garbage.
Just make something like LADS but RPG and with more interactions between the guys. The female MC can be fully customizable and like honkai she can be put in some sort of captain/leader role, while the husbandos are playable with different abilities.
No. 474173
>>474163>So joseimuke is like otome but without explicit romanceNo, you got it backwards, otome is a joseimuke genre, as is BL.
>I thought if the women were non sexualized or even not playable, the game would still strictly be female(-oriented)She's retarded, joseimuke
can have female side characters. Joseimuke literally means "female-oriented", anything that is female-oriented is joseimuke by definition. It's just that a lot of Japanese games explicitly aimed at women these days are mobile gacha slop with a cast of pretty boys (mostly otome or non-romance), and same for danseimuke games except it's pretty girls instead. So a lot of people in the west have come to associate the term joseimuke with a cast of bishounen/ikemen, sometimes not even including otome and BL and using the term joseimuke strictly for non-romance stuff. But that's wrong, I've even seen Infinity Nikki be referred to as a joseimuke game in Japanese, and the term "danseimuke" is also being used in Japan to refer to games such as slot machine apps and FPS games. I've seen Japanese women ask if there are yuri games aimed at women and not scrotes and they use the term "joseimuke". The terms simply mean "for women" and "for men", it's just that mobage waifu/husbando collectors is so common nowadays that it's easy to assume that's all dansei/joseimuke can be.
As far as eroge goes, Fate/Stay Night is obviously a danseimuke game (game for moids), but there's still many important male characters. Same with Majikoi. Neither of these two eroge would be considered "mixed gender" or "general audiences" by anyone.
If you do care about the story and gameplay first and foremost, and want to make the romance, shipping, and/or coombait secondary, adding some side female characters (non-sexualized) as well as main male characters (husbandos) shouldn't be a problem. Moids are capable of having male characters in their games.
I think what she means is that the main cast (collectible characters if gacha, romanceable characters if otome or BL) should only be male (although, in theory, a joseimuke yuri game should be possible). That means that you can have female side characters that are obviously not made as waifubait. But if she means that there shouldn't be any female characters at all or else it stops being joseimuke, she's just dumb. Like I said, even danseimuke games have male characters aside from the protagonist. Though perhaps new gacha audiences give a different impression since so many gachaincels are super sensitive about male characters existing in the same game as their waifus and the devs pander to these schizos, but gacha slop isn't the only kind of danseimuke or joseimuke there exists, so it's wrong to conflate these two terms with this concept of "gacha game with only characters of the opposite sex".
Now, wanting an exact replica of this paranoid gachaincel game model:
>all waifus, no male characters that could potentially "cuck" the player or that the player has no sexual interest in "because I'm not gay" since the game's only purpose is to provide coom materialbut with the sexes inverted, is something I support.
But that's not the only type of joseimuke game, and there are other women who just want a high quality game, not necessarily gacha, with a good story and good gameplay, and a mix of male and female characters, but only the male characters are meant to be sexually appealing. I also support this, since this exact thing is seen time and time again with the sexes inverted and I'm sick of it. There's so many games made by moids that are not obviously sexist, but when you play them you realize how scrotey they are because the male characters are cool, ugly and strong and the female characters all have an element of coombait or are useless and unimportant. I want this but with the sexes inverted, too.
I want more of both and everything in between, coomer games for women, and games for women with cool "ugly" female characters and eye candy male characters.
No. 474184
>>474173Excellently articulated point nonna, you hit the nail on the head. Having more high budget 3d "
femcel" games is a universal good. But it doesn't necessarily mean all joseimuke games must be that.
No. 474195
>>473973This comment is strange to me because I see nothing but drama from the Project Sekai fandom. A lot of hate about fujos because they don't think it should be popular when most of the cast is girls, same shit as Hoyo games.
>>473988>since everyone operates under the assumption that no relationship will ever be truly canon You're assuming too much because this is mainly a Westoid thing from people who don't understand shipbait. People obsess over what ship is secretly canon in Hoyo games because they want to be right and they can cling onto the excuse of censorship. Never mind the many JP gachas that also shipbait without confirming anything as canon. Even some big het shipwars are running off the fact that someone will be proven right and their ships will be canon even though nothing will ever be confirmed (FFVII).
>>474168>>474169I believe more people want this than you know. Look at most of the most popular male characters with women, it's not mainly otome guys. A lot of them got iconic enough when they were from general story ideas. Games that were for everyone but had male characters who appealed to women too always got big, something like Fire Emblem or the Tales games before they also became relegated to gacha hell were like that. We just keep running into the same issue of having to be reliant on moid devs who hate having a female audience. Genshin when it first started out was fine and that's exactly why it got so big. It got the fans who were waiting in between Fire Emblem installments, or who used to like games like Final Fantasy games before they tried being like generic Western action rpg slop. This is why the incels wanted to push women out of Genshin. This is why the devs suddenly catering to those incels and allowing them to bully women is so bad, since it's this long in the game's story and so many people already sunk in time and money into the game. They keep pushing back fucking Snezhnaya too so less people will quit. Which is why you have people with sunk cost saying it's not that bad. Even other women are not helping, they'll never go after incels or be angry. They accept bad treatment for their husbandos because this happens with every series. They accept horrible fanservice designs of the female characters because they're told it's sexist to criticize it. No one will ever hold Hoyo accountable for anything so they can keep getting away with it because there's nowhere else for these players to go. They couldn't wait until Snezhnaya to do this sudden Honkai writing. At least Wuwa showed its true colors early on. Genshin though? With how slow gachas take to come on and even with how anime jrpgs are flopping or also take too long to come out, you can expect another year or two of sunk cost. I don't know what development could happen that would tank Genshin's reputation for good. Not so long as you still have lorefags coping.
No. 474201
>>473973>fujo with enstarHoly kek. As if enstars didn't have a shitton of yume fanservise from the very beginning.
>bandori has a gender mixed audienceI genuinely have never seen a man being into bandori lmao.
>prosekai wiped out enstarStop pulling shit out of your ass and go back to twitter. Everything you say is simply false.
No. 474203
>>474169Same, I do understand why people nonnas might want it but it's honestly something that it's easier to find in other genres that aren't Action RPGs. In general, I think an hyperfixation on romance is the issue maybe? Romance as a subplot has always been more compelling to me personally than whenever a game or book focuses solely on it.
>>474195>I don't know what development could happen that would tank Genshin's reputation for good. Not so long as you still have lorefags coping.Genshin is already suffering tremendously but I doubt it will ever not be at the top.
No. 474267
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Just got c2 Furina
No. 474291
>>474267congrats, nonna! i lost my 50/50 to jean and now im a bit scarred of keeping up… i doubt we will get anything good soon tho so i might as well cave and use my guaranteed on her anyway actually
>>474208yup and i genuinely think some of the best ships are unintentional ones. if a story has strong characters and meaningful characterization then people gravitating to the dynamics between x or y pair is just a natural consequence but because fans are so eager for any kind of "bait" companies and writers will try to pander to them in a really shallow way. it's why so much of writing today has become trope-y
No. 474365
>>473924I don't think it will, sadly. People will accept anything due to company loyalty or obsession with their waifus.
>>474119These moids are very destructive, give an inch and they take a mile. They'll move on to find something else which is why Genshin kneeling to them is beyond stupid. As we can see, the normie audience would put up with a lot about Genshin, but instead they tried to get incels back when incels do nothing but destroy. It's not a choice made out of rationality, but pure spite.
>>474208The need for everything to be self insert now is killing fiction. Nothing but Wattpad slop and isekai trash and now gacha is being sucked dry by incels who want every big budget game to pander to their harem building ML fetish. Early Genshin was actually good because people made up ships on their own, they didn't everything to be sold to you as canon. Even the Hyv designated "assigned ships" feel stale because it feels too much like someone trying to capture what makes fan ships popular but not getting why. We don't need every character to be either yumebait or shipbait, characters should exist and interact and if ships form based on the strength of interactions or even just imagining how cool they'd be together because both characters have strong defined personalities, that's good too. It should be about the story first and not only trying to assign self insert bait. This is also why we have such bland characters now. You can't have a rival or a playable antagonist who actually challenges or isn't nice to the mc because people take it personally, especially the moids. Why do you think we have no antagonist women in these games?
No. 474447
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>>474201Nonna, I don't know what convinced you that Bandori's audience is mostly women but despite the western "audience" being mostly preteen girls on twitter, the JP audience is decidedly mixed and leaning towards men. Bandori itself started out as a K-On! clone in a shounen magazine, and they wanted to capitalize on the sort of moe ressurgence with the games (you can even see it on how bandori's board on /vg/ is much more active than proseka's or enstars, for example. That's why most of the collabs the game gets are other shounen anime like Re:Zero, Toaru, Tokyo Revengers, Chainsaw Man… Like, compare that to ProSeka's collabs: Sanrio and Enstars. Picrelated is an example of the cards people pull in that game, come on, it's full on fanservice, most of it's core japanese audience are men, it just happens that it became big and girls like to play it too the same what moeshit sometimes does. Also, I'm sorry, maybe I wrote it too harshly but what I mean with the Enstars comparison is that it used to be easily the top grossing game of the genre and since Project Sekai released in 2020 they never managed that again, and ProSeka has been constantly beating it revenuewise>>473999Of course, Genshin is proving that rule wrong but what I meant is that it's seen as a surefire way to gain a market. It's not really a loyal one, like other anons pointed out, specially now that it's highly competitive but for a long time the objective was making a character the most appealing possible and that includes being as sexual as possible and pandering to an incel audience. Of course, that was before gachas stopped being a niche genre and casuals started flocking into it.
No. 474531
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In the 0.0001% chance she isn’t complete coombait I’m going to pull for her, I like Noelle’s design and she looks similar. It’ll probably be ruined once we see her breasts and legs though.
No. 474547
>>474531i already hate how much the purple from her skirt clashes with the blue in her hat. but a character who's a chef could be an interesting idea
>>474538insane that now even the gimmicky "the only thing this character has is her profession" designs are 5*s when it's a girl
No. 474570
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>>474531I’m shocked she’s a chef despite the health code violations. Neuvillette should have thrown her ass in metropede forever ago
No. 474672
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>5.8 might have another hydro woman 5*That leaker isn't to be trusted but lol
I play mainly for the open-world experience, characters have always been secondary to that and I never spent a dime in this game, but this shit is wearing even me down. I'll stick to getting cons for the characters I already have from now on.
>>474666His kit is out. He clearly is not.
No. 474701
>>473064>I feel like they do all this set up and then never fucking resolve it because there's a limit to how much copies of a character they can sell.This is the real problem with Genshin and just gacha as a whole. Alts don't work for this game, but then the game itself sets upon so many open arcs and plot points for future developments and they just do nothing with it. You can't tell if a character will have their lore revealed, or an actual arc, if they don't sell. But then not knowing the full picture of a character can also make them not sell, which dooms any future development. That's why they had to make an animation for Arle's past in order to sell her. They can complete some character arcs, but only if it involves traveler saving them. The format of the game itself works against good storytelling where characters can develop over time. You know damn well Scaramouche and Ei are never getting anything resolved, which is exactly why I hate that retcon tree and the Scaramouche fans who said it was good writing.
>>474384Old leaks surfaced actually proving that initially Arle was going to be more antagonistic and working with Dottore. I have no hope for characters like the Tsaritsa now. The problem with making Dottore the fall guy is it means the Tsaritsa can't have any agency. They can't make her look bad for having this guy in her organization, so expect Pierro to also be to blame and the one who's in charge of the bad harbingers like Dottore. This is also why they had to have Skirk disrespect Childe and glaze the traveler, but Childefags won't admit that Hoyo shits on his character.
>>474447That statement confused me too. Bandori does have a lot of female fans but it's as delusional as saying no men like yuri or yuribait franchises. There's a lot of men who play those games. Those games weren't too afraid to let female characters even have male relatives for a reason.
>>474562Is it me or does Hoyo do this on purpose to get fans to fight? We know they love controversy. They not only love that incels hate Scaramouche, they also know they can piss off other female players because their husbandos don't get the same treatment and appearances Scara gets. I wouldn't put it past them to create this scarcity mindset so that women fight each other and don't go after Hoyo.
No. 474723
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CASTORICE! Cause the 2025 Gacha stock market crash, and my tax return, is yours! I don’t care if I am hard coping, Canterella has only sealed the deal! They have added their own pastel global passive monster to Wuwa. The other devs are already following the leader, even just by a little bit. It’s only a matter of time nonnas! Let us start a prayer circle the next global passive is something dumb like +100 hp for max level characters from pink Barbra, so that they’ll actually be excited for +5% crit dmg. By the time they realize the game is unfixable, it’s too late for rollbacks. She has the potential to kill every new 3D gacha. Just like how they all adopted the 50/50, they will take global passives to try and compete with Hoyo. Anata/Project Mugen, Arknights, Azure Promillia, NTE. All dead in the water. It’s only a win for us if Castorice comes out. Maybe we’d get that joseimuke game we’ve been brainstorming if the eventual mass EOS makes room for us. Even if global passives aren’t widespread, which is unlikely, with a lack of a female audience, hoyo will have to wrestle for moid attention with minimum 5 other 3D open world waifu gacha games. Which leads back to more greed, never innovation.
Also holy shit kek, I’m so glad I never cared about brant. Must release literal hentai afterwards to compensate for the sin of a male character.
No. 474767
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>>474751>>474738>>474729Notice how it doesn't stop retarded trannies and handmaidens with a porn addiction.
No. 474876
>>474868It's a pretty good kit. Stronger than Heizou, probably a sidegrade to Sucrose that's much easier to play, and much much better than Mizuki since he can
trigger Xingqiu's swords. He'll probably be the new go-to for taser teams, which is really where most Anemo DPSes minus Xiao shine anyways. It's essentially Mizuki but a thousand times better unless his numbers are so gimped he can't function.
No. 474890
>>474876Nta, but colour me intrigued. I like playing taser, but I won't get my hopes up too high because if the current coomer wife won't sell, Hoyo will probably nerf him to oblivions just to spite the few female players left. My hope is they'll rerun Kinich with Ifa, so I can get the former's C2. By the way, does Ifa work at C0 or is he like Faruzan, where you want him at C6 preferably?
I finally got Xianyun and was also able to snatch a copy of Iansan (though I don't even know if I have any use for her).
No. 474914
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>>474913Whoops forgot to spoiler it.
No. 474915
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And this is Ifa. The discrepancy between his splash art and in game model…
No. 474961
I foolishly fell for Brant, and Kuro immediately followed up with coombait that hoyo could only ever dream of. I'm only throwing my hard earned money at LADS from now on.
>>474915damn, he looks good They put him in the same one leg bent pose they put all the other guys in lul
>>474767I knew the dream was ending the entire character video but it was game over and obvious that Kuro gave in to the coomers when it got to this part. Why do these companies always side with trash?
No. 474963
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>>474958I knew hoyo wasn't based enough to release a short vampire cat churchboy. I celebrated too early, they got rid of everything! I bet his hair isn't even pink anymore. Too much personality and appeal left.
No. 474967
>>474914i'll be honest nonnas, this design would not bother me THAT much if it wasnt for this
>>474950 info, now im just pissed give me my devil shorty you cowards why can men have everything and still want more
anyway other than the obvious desperation clear in her design choices i hate how only her hat and heels have the blue details while everything else is purple - those pieces look like they belong to different outfits. wish everything was purple instead because it's a pretty collor and also I think if she had long sleeves and her back wasnt exposed it would be an ok design, i like the heart shapes
i dont get the tail and random feathers tho
No. 474968
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>>474914According to the oratrice mecanique d'analyse cardinale you are to spend the rest of your days in the fortress of meropede. Your crimes against health and safety come to an end.
No. 474970
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>>474914She has a weird pussy outline and an obvious side boob, this is just ridiculous.
No. 474973
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>>474970She looks like dahlia with the tail and faux horns.
No. 474975
>>474969if i squint really hard i could see that with the little curl in her hair? but nothing else in her design tells me about it, the tail is just weirdly long and more similar to a demon tail
>>474970lowkey upset bc the heart motif would be cute if she wasn't half naked. I wish the black shoulderpad thing was on both arms too
No. 474981
>>474974It all comes down to the whole "sex work is work, women sexualising themselves for the male gaze is empowering" mantra people started spewing. Way too many women, especially Gen Z, have bought into it, and it's hard not to when it's been shoved down your throat all your life.
>>474956>>474963I completely missed that and though I should know better by now, I'm disappointed all over again. I was so looking forward to the cute devil boy. I wasn't even expecting him to be good (because let's face it, Hoyo makes male characters shit on purpose), but to ruin his design too so they can make their latest 5 star whore more sexualised - fuck you, Hoyo! I hope the Varesa and Escoffier banners will both bomb.
No. 474983
>>474970Somehow they managed to do worse than Charlotte and Chevreuse, except these two had the "excuse" of being 4
. This one is a 5 and she carries the same retarded face as LanYan too.
No. 474985
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>>474963I'm mentally preparing myself for when they'll strip his personality down completely and make him boring squeaky clean filler instead of the clearly mischievous vampire/imp boy the concept art was going for because it offends incel sensibilities. Watch them murder the tiny little fang he had in his concept art, too
>>474984I unironically believe that all concept artists got fired in Fontaine and that most Natlan designs post Kinich and Mualani are AI generated, with Emilie being their proof of concept. I refuse to believe someone human consciously designed Xilonen, Chasca, Citlali and Mavuika, especially if you compare their designs to the other leaked Big Boss materials.
No. 474986
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>>474970I wonder what's her personality is going to be. Chef but she's also a secret agent and an investigator of the Abyss who also directly works for Neuvilette and she's besties with Wrio?
Holy shit this design is such a clusterfuck
>Weird ribbon thing that looks like a succubus tail>Ahoge>Whole outfit looks like someone took a full maid outfit and did retarded cuts on it>Asymmetry>Slutarella garters>Detached sleeves looking out of place>No bra, just a sideboob under the apron>Kit apparently tailored for Skirk, their Honkai slut for 5.7Betting my lunch money Durin's design is going to be udnerwhelming as well.
No. 475004
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>>474995You don't get it, it's not about gooning, its about the message. Little to no men really care about the outfit past a simple "Looks hot, I'll get it. Take 20$.", they aren't gooning to it. If they want fuel, they will go to Doujin artists, which they do in droves. The message is that "This game caters to you, men, so we will dehumanize the female characters and drive away female players for your enjoyment." Take Snow break for example. Men aren't even allowed to exist as
pngs if they imply, even by a hair, that something in this game was made to serve a woman. I would say less than 20% of their community cared and felt threatened by them, but 100% are in support. This is what Genshin is trying to signal to everyone with the slow death of every male character. They know they don't have enough incels to pull a snow break without any uproar, so with every one of us they drive away, the closer Da Wei gets to his ideal game. I quit the game weeks ago, I can't watch as the irl NTR, fat ugly bastards have stolen my husbandos from me… Castorice-chan, save us…
No. 475014
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>>474995>Blue ArchiveThis isn't a good example to use IMO. Firstly every character is loaded with pervert dog whistles, secondly the concept itself (you manage highschool girls) is in itself intense goonslop, thirdly a girl being cute and feminine and pure is also a selling point for men. The guys into BA don't want sluts they want pure innocent waifus to corrupt and that's what the designs implicitly signal.
No. 475035
>>475014Hate how these cute designs are stuck in an incel pandering game.
If I had the power and money, I'd add a female sensei, remove the fanservice and "uggghhh cunny" pandering and give these girls Chad bishie boyfriends the same age as them who spoil them and genereally treat them nicely kek.
No. 475044
We already have gameplay leaks for the new chef prostitute. The tail holds her weapons, as in it is alive. But we don’t even get ONE catboy, or male furry in literal years. Dahlia has been on the back burner since the end of Sumeru. Coincidentally when the last of old Genshin staff was leaving. Just more proof it is all on purpose.
No. 475047
And Ifa is a 4 star anemo catalyst! Raise your hand if you were shocked anyone!
No. 475049
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Which one of you guys made this comment?
No. 475059
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To no one's surprise, this fandom loves to eat shit. Probably the worst designs of Fontaine being shipped together.
No. 475064
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stumbled upon this edit, just giving her pants and sleeves makes here look more like a chef
No. 475067
>>475059I don't think Emilie's design is particularly bad to warrant this comparison tbh. It feels on par with most of Fontaine I dont get it
>>475064That and changing her main color to red really helps to give her a more defined personality, I really like this redesign
No. 475082
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I don’t play genshin but I check this thread occasionally, it reminds me how my favorite jrpg went from a comfy, honestly pretty chaste game to coomshit but still succulent fujobait which made the game way more popular than it should be to full on moidslop where the female characters now have dlcs with playboy bunny outfits with visible nipples while the men are burqa’d for dehumanizations sake, strippers, whore outfits, and collabs with a literal softcore porn gacha. On the bright side they’re flopping more than ever. I haven’t played genshin since 2020 but I empathize with the women here hard. So many games dismiss their female fanbase to placate scrotes and seeing something that was once pretty tame go down this path is disheartening.
Also I think the reason why moids seethed lyney as opposed to baizhu or itto who also show skin comes from a place of repressed homosexuality, they hate him because they know they’re secretly to him.
No. 475093
>>475087Same. Always the same shit. Waah waah the coomer game only makes coomer designs!! It used to be different! They hate fujos now! They only give crumbs to yumes!! And whenever you point it out anons tell you that this is the only place in the whole entire internet where you can say that you don't care about sexualized female characters or whatever.
>>475089Kek
No. 475108
>>475084Have you seen swanwhore's weapon? With the heart and devil wings it's almost succubus-like. Dawei just rush into Khaenriah and make your big-tittied succubus demon alreayd so we can all leave.
>>475087Nonna, even normies don't like the direction Genshit is taking.
No. 475114
>>475076>>475078KEKKKK
>>475087What else is left in the game anymore? This could've been a
valid complaint maybe a year ago but at this point the game is dead. Not only because of the coomery waifus, but also the writing has gone irreversibly down the toilet, the old staff is gone, the events and prizes are worth nothing. It's done.
No. 475167
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>>475159I'm waiting for Dahlia. That's it.
No. 475174
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Man, looking back we really took Sumeru for granted. Only one token down syndrome waifu (Nilou), ‘loli’ characters with actual intelligence and agency making them tolerable (Nahida, Dori), more short & tall men than anyone could ask for and tall sexy women who even female players like the design of (Candace, Dehya). Take me back, please.
No. 475176
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>>475042It’s all about sending some stupid encoded message with gacha moids. They made up a whole fake female developer to “fire” after she defaced a waifu cake. The evil feminist was defeated and is off the team, and a new cake was delivered! Wow, and was she 300 pounds with blue hair and a septum piercing? Kek. It’s all to soothe incels in the end. “See? Everything is for you. We won’t even tolerate our own staff if they disagree with you.”
No. 475178
>>475082Anon… as a Sky fan I could never be more seen. You can't even criticize how fucking shitty the haremslop Cold Steel games are without being attacked by the cult
>>475159I have quit already but if I'm miserable I'l make moids lives miserable too, it is my personal mission to flame normies into talking shit about Genshin now but also I'm just like
>>475170 No. 475206
>>475064I usually find redesigns ugly but this is cute, especially the flared pants with red cuffs on the bottom
>>475082The fact that its so common and most of these companies never learn. Pandering to incels is the lowest you can go, it wont suddenly revive your IP.
No. 475323
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>The onsen whore that released not even a year ago got a figure with a fully colored prototype
>The Kaeya and Xiao nendoroid are still MIA
They'd rather go bankrupt than appease female players
No. 475339
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>>475337I don't think even Jingliu (HSR Skirk) was trashed this badly. Knowing HYV this is going to be Shitzuki/LR Hu Tao level of pandering, but still a big fuck you to Childefags.
No. 475358
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>>475339The leaks are probably true as stepleaker is known to be reliable. I saw many people coping hard that it's AI generated but he might just have used AI for translations.
>I don't think even Jingliu (HSR Skirk) was trashed this badlyThis. Shart Rail is trash, but I will give them credit for giving Jingliu her own story without making her interact with the trailblazer. Skirk’s design is just too coomery for me to care about her, but completely erasing Childe’s importance from her story and turning her into yet another waifu for the Traveler’s harem is just retarded. Also, I am not a yumeshitter, but I find it disgusting that both Skirk and Childe are meant to be (you)bait characters. Traveler is truly the town bike of Teyvat.
No. 475387
E’whore also heals and does more types of buffs than Shene. This is after they hid Shenhe for two years and put her on a chronicled wish banner, mere months before E’whore.
No. 475393
>>475347Unfortunately people keep letting them come back. Too many female players are pick mes. Also the biggest problem is the people who love Genshin's story and the open world have no other options. Where are they going, to Wuwa, that's even worse? To new open world games like Endfield that will pull the same shit? Yeah, the yumes who wanted Genshin to be an otome left for LaDs but that's not every female player. Female players will still keep forgiving them because they think Mhy is a progressive company who gave them yuri and yaoi, even though their ships are super boring.
>>475358This is so fucking bad and I know if anyone hates this they're going to be called a misogynist. I don't even understand why the yuritroons defend this shit. Absolutely no yuri has come out of Natlan or with any of these characters, they keep showing them only with Aether and not Lumine in official marketing. At least Jingliu doesn't give a shit about the mc and doesn't need to be healed by the mc and had her own angst about the Mary Sue fox that I can see her being crowned yuri queen. But Skirk?
No. 475399
>>475387I know gacha is always predatory but this is next level. Outright shelving old units to doom them to obscurity is the kind of bullshit star rail is notorious for, only in genshin they put most of the stuff behind constellations so you have to roll the new units three or two times to make unlock their actual potential. Mihoyo got way too greedy way too fast, launching multiple games out of which Star Rail is their most expensive one and it's simply not making ends meet and instead is eating away their other projects. People were already mad at the shitty anniversary and lantern rite rewards last year, this is only making things worse.
>>475393A lot of husbando collectors bragged about how Kurogames is the GOAT for giving them Brant but were shut up immediately after Cantarella released and are now waking up to the reality of the situation. I've even seen multiple big male gacha gamers gave up on both Mihoyo and Kuro after global passives were introduced because metafags aren't going to stick around to support pay to win dogshit, I think the Castorice prophet was right.
>>471984 No. 475406
>>475399I wish it would but people won't leave. Gacha is made to be addictive and it fits perfectly with the addictive nature of social media. People can't handle not having any content anymore, people won't leave Genshin or these games unless there's a new gacha to go to. I know the hope is for it to get so bad that people leave, but it only results in people making excuses because the sunk cost is that bad. Wuwa is already becoming a trash community with ragebaiting ccs and fucking Tectone in it. And yet you'll still see people, even some who rightfully criticize Hyv, defend Kurogames and saying the game isn't goonerbait.
>>475400People will then call you crazy for expecting her to be a warrior and not look like a teenage waify girl. That's a basic criticism of misogyny in games but Genshin fans are so far gone into defending Hyv that they don't want to admit it's a sexist trope.
>On the other hand I hope Childe gets turned into a girl just so that Chinese yumes will go berserk and do our bidding.Hell no, this troon shit shouldn't be validated in any way. I hope it can't happen, it has to be some false advertising to market a character as male for so many years and bring out fanservice art when female players are mad only to do this. You wouldn't have female players doing anything to Hyv. They're already upset and nothing is changing. It's going to result in Westoids calling fans bigots and they have a lot more sway in the community. The biggest hurdle right now is that there's too many people who think that Hyv is a progressive feminist company.
No. 475445
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Mark my words nonnas I’m making a binding vow. If none of this happens, ban me from the thread. I would put a parlay on this! A foot fetish waifu is coming any day now. Dahlia will probably glaze some future waifu, like Alice. Kaeya will be replaced by a waifu from Kharnri’ah who is the true lost princess, and Kaeya’s family are the fake usurpers.
No. 475449
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Did you see Paimon’s VA crash out on twitter? She was leading the charge of going after kinich’s new VA for accepting the role despite OG striking against AI. People called her out for still voicing paimon despite her views.
No. 475474
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>>475393The pick mes in the fandom are literally crazy for justifying lingerie under the apron outfit. I'm glad I've stopped playing because I'm not gonna be associated with these dumbasses.
No. 475550
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The advent of our queen, Castorice, is tomorrow at 5:00pm! Who else will be watching? Anaxa also exists I guess, but we all know he will be thrown pathetically to her feet. Non believers will be shunned. When they hard shill skirk and she has global passives too, don't come crying.
No. 475554
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>>475474How is this shit even getting greenlit in a game meant for ages 12 and up? Even R18 BL games do not have male characters that dress this slutty.
No. 475563
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>>475554How long until Genshin reaches this level of ridiculous? Honestly? If they released this skin for Gorou, all would be forgiven. But Xinolen already has butthole cutouts in her shorts.Remember that a real human being (likely a male so not really) drew her, refined her, modeled and painted each little bit of skin she shows btw. It’s all on purpose. 1cm before her nipples are exposed.
No. 475577
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>>475550Chinese gacha games seem to be in a downward slump. I saw the first-day JP sales for the current banners, and they are all under performing.
HSR (Mydei) > ZZZ (Anby) > Wuwa (Cantarella) > Genshin (Varesa)
I really hope global passives finally kill Chinese gachashit for good.
>>475563Males lost their shit out over a design as tame as Lyney’s, something like your picrel would probably get Dawei stabbed and murdered kek.
No. 475583
>>475580Similarly to WOW, there never needed to be a genshin killer.
Men will kill themselves. The rates say so!
No. 475584
>>475577I'll wait till next week for Varesa's because I doubt Hoyo can be as bad as Shitzuki (shit standard characer) and this banner in particular has snacks for metafags and plungefags. Also Slutarella is doing better than expected despite looking like a literal prostitute in lingerie.
>>475554This character is just 60% lingerie, 30% apron fetish and the last 10% are typical Fontaine elements.
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>>475445>Kaeya will be replaced by a waifu from Kharnri’ah who is the true lost princess, and Kaeya’s family are the fake usurpers.B-b-buh the new artifact set finally has something about elves and their king and
Who I am kidding, they will unearth his mother from somewhere and say she is an ubermensch angel from ages ago. That will be the predicted Khaenri'ah succubus in a thong.
I hope Dawei will finally meet that one determined incel who won't be able to cope with some waifus bra being a centimeter too wide.
No. 475668
>>475648This is true and why it's harder for people to leave, again it's the lack of options. There are non gooner CN gachas but they either don't get localized or they're not open world and so people won't play. Ash Echoes actually apologized and keeps the gender ratio pretty even, but you won't see anyone in the West playing it. People like to be where the attention is and where their friends are, and right now that's Genshin and other Hoyo games.
>>475656Not everyone is a yume and LADS has its own type of drama because of that.
No. 475721
>>475716Snowbreak is different since it was never as big as Genshin. I get why people are paranoid because Hoyoverse is scum but they don't do alts or different forms of characters. The Firefly example is braindead because that would be like if we got SAM as playable for three years only for them to make Firefly at the end. I don't know if they can even do this based on consumer practices.
>>475717How credible is the theory?
No. 475724
>>475722Fighting games are very different. You're not literally paying for characters. Different versions in an alternate universe or a new game is whatever because it's not all one fixed canon, unlike Genshin. It's different rules, and only one version of a character and gambling being involved would make this shitty, yeah.
>>475720The loreists are the ones trying to push it and already taking it as canon. Of course they can't do open troon shit but knowing Hoyo they'll add something stupid for troons to "claim him" as not really a man like they do Scara or Zhongli.
No. 475829
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I got an e-mail requesting feedback on Mavuika. I obviously didn't pull for her. There was nowhere to put manual feedback, just picklists of options and they asked whether you pulled for other archons (I have). I emphasized Mavuika's design was awful and her character sucked. She must have flopped a lot harder than we even speculate. I've never gotten an e-mail like this before.
Furina for the thread because she's a thousand times more interesting and compelling than the fire Mary Sue.
No. 475898
>>475829Da Wei on suicide watch now that his Honkai waifu Himeko was the first archon to flop. She was set up for a failure in every way possible, a pyro DPS with a stupid motorbike making her model janky and hard to control and a boring mary sue personality with barely any interesting conflict or story relevance.
>>475833This. They absolutely put Citlali in as a booster for Mavuika and even then it failed. Let them reap what they sowed.
No. 475957
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And oh, how God always shines a light for his heralds. It was wonderful, I shed a tear during the livestream, my votive candles lit and doused with snapdragon oils. She shall bring about the death of the gacha community as we know it, and I've never been more satisfied. Acolytes, may her banner sales soar like dragons in the blue sky, may the tower report Da Wei's doom, may queen Castorice save us all with her heroic light. We have bore witness to the beginning of the end, and heard the 7th trumpet sound. Amen.
No. 475960
>>475955I don't even care about Anaxa but they have shafted him so bad.
>Castorice gets a billion pvs, he only gets 1>His banner is with Ratio, whom everyone already owns, while the giga shilled anniversary waifu gets Jiaoqiu, Fugue, and AcheronGenuinely makes me wonder if this blatant favoritism is only exclusive to Hoyo or if all gachashit do this thing.
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>>475969>>475958Recently I saw this redesign and even though she's still dressed like a slut, at least if they made her look like this, she would seem interesting and fitting in the world and her role as the god of war. I just think with the biker latex outfit they really fucked up. It's appealing to almost no one, even incels with shitty taste dislike it.
No. 476132
>>475934It's a suicidal tactic that only results from a company being too big too fall. Switching this far into Genshin means no one rational will trust the company ever again. The extreme incels who couldn't handle some male banners in Sumeru aren't going to come back. The loyal fanbase they built up won't move to their new games if they keep pulling this. I see some rubes praising HSR or ZZZ for the yaoi, but those characters will be dropped too. If HSR also plans on dropping male characters, why stay and spend money now? This tactic can't possibly work for that long.
>>475955>>475960>Genuinely makes me wonder if this blatant favoritism is only exclusive to Hoyo or if all gachashit do this thing.I believe it's intentional from Hyv. They like the gender war. They like having people fight. I wish this would collapse the industry or make these devs stop making these choices, but I don't think anything will unless a new game changes it up the way Genshin did.
Anyway get ready for Castorice to have a bunch of defenders calling you a misogynist for hating such a sweet girl just like they did Firefly. Especially if they pull an Elysia and give her yuribait.
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>>475584The concept of a ‘plungefag’ is absolutely sending me, nona, thank you
No. 476192
>>475958Even the lesbians don't want her. There's badass looking women like Zoya and Angell in Path to Nowhere, they have a lot of CN lesbians thirsting after them. The only recent Genshin character to be a hit with them like that was Arlecchino. But that would require them knowing and caring what women actually like. Her personality has no edge, her design can't be slightly more masculine because the gooners need to goon, but also she's a tall female model with a personality that doesn't appeal to moids. The incels don't tend to like the tall females much outside of Raiden, they prefer the short girls because their height makes them look more vulnerable and younger. Of course these moids don't want a female character who isn't a demure or tragic waif who needs to be saved by the traveler.
>>475969Genshin slowly built credibility by having good music, exploration, and cutscenes and designs that fit what you usually expect from rpgs. Now they're testing the limits of their fanserivce and living up to what naysayers thought they were. I fully believe the rumors that it's not only spite for female players, but for the efforts of the old staff too.
No. 476371
>>475957I don't know why people think this will kill the industry. I wish it did, I wish I had your optimism. But I also remember how much shit people will put up with gachas like FGO and shit. There's no level of predatory tactic that will get people to leave.
>>476203Mavuika would sold more if she appealed to women. Lesbians would actually love a woman with masculine energy and shounen archetypes but even the Hyv gooner defenders don't like her because deep down they know the design is bad.
>>476320Greed. A company will always want to expand, but then pick a core audience and stick with it. If you want a gooner game, make it gooner from the start, and keep your normie audience in Genshin and HSR. They cater to incels but also the extreme incels don't even like Hyv games because they still have male characters in them. They'll fuck over a game to get people to play their new one, instead of building trust with customers over time. Telling fans who want male characters to go over to HSR doesn't work when the male characters over there are still fucked over and when we have a guarantee they will pull the same shit again. Genshin is only hanging on due to lorefags desperate for answers for older characters. HSR and ZZZ doesn't even have that.
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>>476371It will kill the industry by driving away normies. Normies don’t want to play an unfun money hungry tasteless goonfest, which is why they play marvel rivals and Elden ring. Anime is tolerated to an extent, and going full FGO with normies won’t work. Gacha gaming isn’t a small market anymore and billions have been invested into Hoyoverse. They’re gonna milk the upcoming nightsoul and global passives and become multi billion. But when western players and casuals slowly pull out due to feeling like the game is both embarrassing and p2w, what happens to the investors that must be pleased? I’m really just banking on their arrogance making them overextend without the fans left to back them up.
Never forget, Genshin is only popular because normies during the quarantine had nothing better to do and decided to start gaming, and grinding a free gacha game was easy. Without normies there is no 100 million dollars. Dedicated yumes and Incels are in the vast minority. Outnumbered 1 to 10. Ignorant to the wants of normies, they will only become more sexual and shameless, and incels rush to swell the ranks temporarily and disguise the loss. For example, Normie men want Capitano because he’s cool, strong and masculine, like Guts. Appealing to incels, they made Mauvika a whore, made 100m from incels, so they won’t learn their lesson as there was no loss. Even if replacing Citlali with Capitano would have made them 300m. They will repeat cycle until failure, upping the anti as desperation grows. If future gacha games are built off exclusively leaching Hoyo’s playerbase, the floaters like WuWa and Enfield are dead in the water once it dwindles even more.
I may sound like I’m coping but to me, this is a mass extinction event clear as day. And if you know anything about old Asian moids, they are super hierarchal and stuck in their ways, pigheaded. Especially sexless incels. They won’t change and will refuse to pivot or apologize. Especially not for women or foreigners. Even if some economist at Hoyo noticed this 2 months ago, do you think they would listen?
Or I am completely wrong and they make a hundred million dollars every month without fail for every new waifu they drop like FGO reborn. That would honestly be equally as hilarious as total collapse. But the symbolism of a waifu of death killing Hoyo is too sweet to pass up! No. 476400
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>>476398>I fear people won't leave Genshin because of how bad the sunk cost is.They will if the entire region is spectacularly bad, like how Natlan was.
No. 476408
>>476398If sunk cost won’t let them leave then they will simply rot and fester like the WOW player base. But what about money?! Theres no way in this economy they will pony up cash consistently for a game they already resent. I failed to consider the psychological damage Hoyo has caused and that the majority of fans have Stockholm syndrome and won’t leave just because things are dire. I assumed they would flee once they can no longer afford the game and it’s a complete social burden (like being a Made In Abyss or Blue Archive fan). People already have to clarify “I’m not like one of THOSE Genshin fans.” But if that won’t, Genshin would have to seriously shit the bed.
Something like seriously announcing there will be no more playable male 5 stars would get them to abandon ship. Or if they seriously shaft a playable character like Childe, and fulfill the mtf schitzo prophecy. Or even just what others were saying, Genshin fans are looking for any excuse to escape. So when the next big anime game rolls around that has Genshin hype and popularity, they will dump the game. So maybe if not kill, Castorice will weaken the grip of Hoyo, give them an excuse to uninstall, and leave them vulnerable for another company to clean house.
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Iansan is relegated to being a fitness instructor that has no screen time because they are mad they have to add not only a dark skinned character, but a woman dressed relatively appropriately for the setting. You can tell how much they despise her and the original Natlan. They even moefied her face, aggressive demeanor and dragon skull. Skirk will be an even bigger slut than all combined, and through the traveler’s love, she will be granted a brand new vision to symbolize her heart/emotions. And she will wear it over her heart. Because we still aren’t done ripping off Scaramouche.
They hate Vanessa too, so they made “Varessa” a pink haired cow bimbo. They wiped out her entire tribe and we never hear about them aside from flavor text in Mauvika’s sword. Lorefags cope but it’s such an obvious retcon. We were warned this would happen in Sumeru when Collei claimed to be abused by Dottore, when in the manga, he had never even seen her! I can’t tell if it’s all because they’re disgusted by the thought of having to make an entire tribe of dark skinned characters, or if they want to throughly trample the old story and insult the old writers by getting rid of Vanessa and ruining Iansan. Not even the fabled Mondstadt expansion would probably mention her, Diluc’s father, Dottore, Kaeya, etc. Just Alice/Hexenzirkel teasing.
Alice won’t be playable. She is Klee’s mother, meaning she had sex, she’s married, an adult, etc. If they reveal Klee is made of magic/a chess pawn, we have concrete evidence incels are self aware. They’d be trying to avoid NTR tinfoils while also trying to sell a “milf”. At best we get red “kooky” The Herta.
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>>476132>Anyway get ready for Castorice to have a bunch of defenders calling you a misogynistThey are already doing it. Someone pointed out the blatant difference in the way Cas and Anaxa are being treated. She didn't want to get backlash from yuritroons and handmaidens, so she mentioned in the replies that she doesn't want anyone to use her post as an excuse to hate Firefly and Castorice kek. But despite that, handmaidens are fuming in the qrts.
It's funny that, aside from their usual "male-obsessed" and "male-centered" jabs, they tend to use the same talking points as moids from /vg/. You cannot say even the mildest thing about female characters without
triggering those bitches. They want all fictional women to be put on pedestals and worshipped, leaving no room to discuss their poor characterization and coom elements. Nonnas here constantly talk about all the things they hate about their fav male character's characterization. I genuinely don't understand why saying anything even remotely negative about female characters is such a big taboo in normalfag spaces.
No. 476498
>>476400Look how people reacted at the moon thing or the leaks about a new Mond quest or Fontaine event. They don't care if they can get a bit of shipbait or if they think they'll finally get some screentime and possible development. Hyv forcing everyone into starvation is working.
>>476408I don't think anything would do it if people are still here. They couldn't even boycott during Natlan. If they announced no more male 5 stars, you'd have the worst people cheering and then other husbando fans sticking around for their favorites. At this point anyone still into Genshin will accept anything, include horrible plots like force trooning. They're fine with Hyv doing more predatory tactics because their entire identity is tied to being a Stan, if not of Genshin, of a ship or a character from it. Lore theorists who sunk in years and who won't leave because they want to be right. The amount of time and money people have sunk means Hyv has just the right number of loyal fans who will accept and defend anything because they tied it to their own sense of identity. Their identity as a feminist or as a queer person is tied to their fan activities.
>So when the next big anime game rolls around that has Genshin hype and popularity, they will dump the gameThis is what would need to happen. A lot of Genshin normies also came in because no other games were working for them. Unfortunately no new joseimuke games look good enough, if you care about the lore and plots of Genshin then of course an idol raising game about high school boys isn't going to cut it anymore. Unfortunately a lot of JP gachas also just suck. People also don't want to leave a popular fandom for something less popular. They get a lot of money making Genshin fanart, or a lot of attention from talking about it. This is also why it's harder to get people to leave mediocre franchises they're no longer fans of once said media begins a quality decline. It's the same thing that happens with people who are tired of shounenslop, only to get into more shounenslop.
No. 476503
>>476157I'm pretty sure the endgame of Genshin is to reveal it as a pocket universe in Honkai and tie it back to simply being a spinoff of Da Wei's baby, Honkai.
>>476320I guess they wanted to spread their seed and monopolize gacha. They just didn't count on how not everyone wants to pay waifuslop and most of Genshin's success was due to reasons already listed in this thread (COVID quarantines during its launch, distinctive characters, the normie friendly aesthetics without coom, open world, easy to follow story, balanced gender ratio), a sum of many variables that they didn't even bother to replicate in later titles. Star Rail had downer sci-fi aesthetics, every character at launch looked the same and the story was filled with convoluted, esoteric lore spaghetti with the most uninteresting battle system created for monetizing powercreeping. And ZZZ… I don't even know what they were trying to do with that. Just testing if they can carry a game on jiggle physics alone I guess?
Anyone who has been playing HSR has probably realized that the events have gotten way more boring and battle-specific which is burning out people because they're already mad at their units being powercrept two patches in. And with global passive being introduced with Castorice, it's going to only get more ruthless from here on out. I guess they're counting on Chinese Hoyodrones to give them money because no other company affords to create gacha games like Genshin and HSR (i.e. not simple PNG collectors) and because 99% of Chinese gamers play on mobile devices so gacha is all they got.
No. 476510
>>476506I'm guessing they're more optimized for Chinese mobile phones and their hardware? Like
>>476508 said a lot of their brands are banned overseas.
No. 476514
>>476423>It's funny that, aside from their usual "male-obsessed" and "male-centered" jabs, they tend to use the same talking points as moids from /vg/. You cannot say even the mildest thing about female characters without triggering those bitches. It's so annoying watching people grovel like this.
>Um, um, forgive me for saying this but, but… I-I just think Escoffier's outfit isn't that good…! D-don't get me wrong! I love Genshin girls and there's nothing wrong with sexy outfits (we don't slut shame here!) but I just kind of wish that her outfit would be more… balanced? idk if I'm bringing my point across but that's just my personal opinion! Please NO HATE for female characters in the replies!! Just say she looks like a whore and makes you feel uncomfortable because it's dehumanizing to see female characters walk around in lingerie all the fucking time with absolutely no variety to their designs because incels will commit acts of terrorism if they don't get to see every short girl's armpits. Good god. Stop being this cucked. The pornbrained yurifags have done irreversible damage to the entire discourse.
>>476511>They treat these female characters as "literally them" so criticizing a female character means you hate nice girls like them.I've had this discussion many times. "Noo you can't criticize her poor writing and declawing of her character because I'M a nice girl and you complaining about her being too nice is a personal attack against ME!" Fuck off, you're not an anime girl created by a moid.
No. 476519
>>476514People grovel like this because this has always been the type of feminism that's popular in fandoms. They always defend the worst female characters imaginable. They don't understand that even if a male character has bad writing, men aren't oppressed by other men. Male characters being written to appeal to women can never have the same misosgynist baggage as female characters who are written to appeal to men. But in fandom these people focus more on fujoshis than they do the incels who will actually threaten devs if a girl's breast size gets reduced. If you're criticizing designs though, it helps to not use words like whore because it makes it too easy for them to discredit your point.
>"Noo you can't criticize her poor writing and declawing of her character because I'M a nice girl and you complaining about her being too nice is a personal attack against ME!What's funny is looking by how they act online, none of them are even nice girls. What they are is probably quiet or more filtered irl, because if they spoke to real people the way they speak to people on twitter they'd get their shit rocked, and they mistake that for them being "so nice".
No. 476662
>>476567That type of comedy just pisses me off. The worst type of moids love a girl who's clumsy but who also acts stupid so they can infantilized her. They love girls who act like children.
>>476577The only way is for these games to really start flopping and for the MLbait waifus to flop. Too bad Citlali sold, I don't know about zzz, and with hsr doing the global passive Castorice will probably make bank like Firefly did. They have no competition, only their own games that they can push the normie players into until they pull the exact same shit they did in Genshin. The other competition being Wuwa, which is worse, and upcoming games like Ananta that are pure goonerbait.
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>>476435I don't want to play the blame comics/manga/games card. But I do think it's had an influence on normalizing how people view fanservice in media nowadays. Back then it was more acceptable to make fun or, or criticism without much pushback. Nowadays, as long as the suspiciously underage looking character keeps "most" of their clothes on, and she has a backstory people are more likely to look the other way or defend it.
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Does anyone find it extremely weird how hard Genshin/Mihoyo stans go to try and defend characters? Like how the fuck did you get, "People hate Natlan because they're racist." While also ignoring the fact that Mihoyo deliberately went out of their way to not just whitewash the characters, not just skin color wise, but westernizing them in a way that you can't even recognize what culture they're even based on in the first place.
I've seen people seriously call Mauvika a poc, because her design is "based on" Maori bikers, and if you don't like her design you're being racist, and Eurocentric because she's basically a poc by proxy of that fact.
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Everyone applaud me please and thank you
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Adding to Mavuika's design discussion, I wish there was at least one green element in her design to signify that she's from the Scions of the Canopy
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>>476719Mihoyo must've figured out a way to beam crack directly into people's eyes, because it's starting to get crazy how big of reaches I'm seeing. Do people overhype Fontaine? Sure, but let's not act like Mihoyo isn't the issue when they took like 8 entirely different cultures that have large if not majority dark skin population, shoved them into one country, and made 95% of them white, wearing knock-off fantasy lululemon sports gear.
Escoffier design is also trash, and she looks like a rejected Xenoblade design for Mythra. But the bitch at very, VERY least, vaguely resembles a chef. They couldn't even be assed to make it clear that Xilonen was meant to be a blacksmith in hers.
No. 476782
>>476779>Non Eurocentric themesThey'd have to actually, you know,
depict those cultures and themes for people to get upset about them kek
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>>477077I pity the retards thinking this will amount to something when the lore will be thrown out to NPCs and the AI-generated main quest will be a hassle to go through.
No. 477133
>>476779It's the gambling and the sunk cost. At this point, expect anyone still a fan of Genshin to defend anything the game does because of said sunk cost and the need to make their consumption sound ethical.
>>477065>So many potentially interesting plotlines have been abandonedPeople will never admit this. Then if you ask or criticize the story they say you're the idiot for having any expectations.
>>477077The whole thing is an excuse to turn the game into Honkai. Honkai has a big reputation for being the sacred cow of the worst twitter yuritroons, so expect them to glaze it and to defend it with "lesbians".
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>>477159Dottore sisters, it’s over… Had I had the sense to look into the gacha community before I joined, I never would have bothered latching onto Dottore. I quit weeks ago but it’s painful to be reminded both of my husbandos are dead and buried. JJK trained me for this moment, so I didn’t bother coping with Capitano’s death. If I found the thread any earlier, then I would have known about just how influential honkai is and Chinese men are within the company. They rope in innocent normies and then mentally abuse millions of people with sunk costs and gambling addictions. They don’t view you as a player, only a paypig voyeur to their vaguely ecchi waifu fantasy. I am lucky I got out after only 1 year of playing and 70$ spent. Please let some incel snap and get violent because they powercrept his waifu.
No. 477220
>>477217The first four are reliable, the other ones are shaky.
>>477159About the HSR ones, it wouldn't surprise me but then I can never tell if leakers are doomposting or letting out their incelic screeching.
No. 477221
>>477155They only hear what they want to hear though. There's been plenty of
valid player complaints over the years, but who did they listen to? A bunch of incels who are insane enough to believe that Scaramouche was cucking them. They don't care what female players think. They know that they have nowhere else to go and that they'll be satisfied with merch and false hope. Just look at Childe fans. He got shafted in Fontaine but they cope about Snezhnaya, exactly as Mhy wants them to.
>>477159At this point people should but no one will really leave until a new game comes out to replace Mhy. This won't happen so long as other gachas follow the same route, other joseimuke have bad gameplay and center around idols, and a new game is out to take over what audience Genshin and HSR took. Aside from normie and shounen weebs, other gacha fans went to Mhy because they were tired of bad gameplay and uneven fanservice in other games. Genshin promised to be different and it was up until recently.
>>477191Dottore would never be playable in a game like this. The gacha community only recently became this extreme due to Snowbreak, and now I expect with Wuwa Genshin will try to copy them. There are Chinese gachas that aren't like this, but the problem now is they'll never go global because that takes a lot of money. Only big companies like Mhy have the money to do what they do, and unfortunately the choice to pander to incels is a recent one. The old staff wasn't like this. It's done out of pure spite. I hope more of these upcoming waifu gachas flop, that's our only hope. I have no hope for Genshin fans to wake up since many are in complete denial that they are now run by incels.
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Kek Skirk will have Xilonen's boobs-n-butt pose
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>>477224They would probably only snap if their personal fantasy was ruined. Such as a pure and innocent waifu having a boyfriend.
>>477227This is a honkai star rail character. Look at Welt’s splash art and look at hers. I hate hoekai shitpact. That game took everything from us, all because Da Wei can’t let go of his eternally recycled donut steels. Jingliu wasn’t an expy, so they copy and pasted her to Genshin as an excuse to add more honkai bullshit.
Considering what is going on in Honkai, I have my own little tinfoil, extremely unlikely but you can never assume the best with Hoyo:
While we all can predict skirk is going to be terrible, imagine if she brings a new element before Dainslef?! Although it’s all but confirmed she is cryo, and will probably get a cryo vision during her quest, I wouldn’t put it past them to introduce a new element because they’re afraid future waifus won’t sell. They would make “abyss” the new dendro hyper bloom, with cryo replacing electro. They release Escoffier and a cryo set. And with the zero energy thing, they could mix in physical damage into the meta, rip Mika. Just imagine how devilish the kit of the Tsaritsa will be with these cryo buffs? It would shake up the meta, and inject hype into the game they desperately need. They have the red carpet of revenue laid out. Waifu that we spend the entire patch saving, long awaited hyped character, sad sob story, crush on Aether, 12 hour quest, global passives, a hundred 5 star supports, and ushers in a new element/mechanic. It’s like cashing in on Furina but on steroids. Abort mission. When skirk drops, it’s over. No. 477258
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Everyone is talking about Skirk and Bronya/Tsaritsa and the Moon Sisters but I'm still hung over Dahlia. Four years, four agonizing years from his name teased in Rosaria's marketing to the Big Boss leaked reference sheet, just to be met up with an unbearable disappointment. They stripped him of his wings and gave them to another, irrelevant filler four star; they stripped him of his tail and gave it to a literal whore to flant her ass around. I'm betting they even removed his heterochromia too because God almighty forbid we have any actual interesting male character left. I am at a loss of words. I was there from the beginning, I painstakingly waited for him to be revealed one faithful day alongside the rest of Mondstadt we never got to see like the Dandelion sea and Dornman Port. But now? He's going to be made completely irrelevant, overshadowed by an Honkai reject getting all the attention, while he will probably be gifted a laughably bad kit and left to rot, sanitized to hell and back. I am genuinely at a loss of words because I waited for so long for him to be brought up, and it happened in the worst period of this game, getting the Gaming treatment in the process and robbing Mondstadt of another five star that isn't some copy and pasted prostitute like Eula. It's so unfair.
No. 477331
>>477305Capitano dying definitely, i haven't been able to bring up myself to do the archon quest because it's gonna suck
Also it makes me mad that I would have to endure stupid citlali and stupid cow character quests, i think they aren't needed to get the reputation thing completed but it does give more exp and i didnt want to spend too much time in it, not like it matters since i haven't really been playing the game. Even if i like exploring and farming for characters, all the excitement I had has been drained, it doesn't feel fun to play anymore
i'm stupid and really wanted to like natlan, despite everything, but every thing they release makes me more upset
offtopic but why the Natlan music behind the scenes video has not been released? I think it didnt take so long for the other regions and i would like to know what were they thinking when they did the music. I like the soundtrack but also feel it's all over the place
No. 477346
>>477305Feeling bored while playing the game and burnout from trying to level up characters. Genshin desperately needs a skip button because I cannot have the game auto play while I do chores and actual fun things. I’m the same
nonnie who reinstalled and as I’m hiking the volcano I’m felt dread completing it.
No. 477348
>>477133>It's the gambling and the sunk cost. At this point, expect anyone still a fan of Genshin to defend anything the game does because of said sunk cost and the need to make their consumption sound ethical.This is also why the VA drama that's been going on is so amusing. VAs were banking on players being so annoyed with the lack of voices in the region that they'd start complaining to Mihoyo, failing to realize that Genshin stans absolutely. Do. Not. Stand. For. Anything. other than their unwavering need to defend Mihoyo from any and every little piece of criticism imaginable. Even if said criticism is done in benefit of them, the player, themselves.
I don't know what the hell they thought was going to happen, because people see it more as them being bullies by inconveniencing Mihoyo, when Mihoyo themselves quite frankly don't give a damn either which way about their Non-China/Japanese fanbase.
No. 477353
>>477348The only thing a Genshin impact fan cares about is protecting themselves from the sunk cost fallacy. Even if criticism benefits the player, they don’t want to hear it, because that
means that the game isn’t 10/10. If everyone knows the game is shit, they feel humiliated and wasted their time and money. They are so far in the hole, they don’t want it to get better. They are against competition like wuwa, even if it would improve Genshin. Because if wuwa “embarrasses” genshin, then they feel humiliated all over again. The same applies to revenue reports. It’s really sad, and I feel sorry for them. EOS will free them, and it cant come soon enough.
No. 477357
>>477227You will be called a misogynist for not liking this.
>>477236Her being closed off but only opening up to traveler of course. This is why Childe had to be unconscious and thrown by her. She's not allowed to have any relationship with him. Childefags still defend how Mhy writes him.
>>477305The Arlecchino retcon. The Scaramouche one with the tree really pissed me off, but then when Arlecchino did nothing and it's confirmed she wasn't meant to be this defanged, I stopped caring. They don't care about anything but selling characters.
No. 477510
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Is this real? How did Varesa actually do? I saw a korean fan I follow post this
No. 477538
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>>477510Here's the monthly revenue. Varesa did not so great. You'll also have to take account Wrio + Furina's revenue with her.
No. 477546
>>477542In comparison, January nearly did 100K. At the end of February, there was a decrease of roughly 75% of what the CNY gifts and banners were supposed to bring. By the end of March, we barely recovered from a big ass nothingburger of a patch, and yet the sales aren't particularily stellar.
I'm talking of course in terms of Genshin standards. Other competitors are more or less maintaining their positions (looking at Infinity Nikki despite their filler patches).
No. 477581
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The only way we can save Genshin
No. 477715
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Thank you for all the hard effort you put into male character splash art mihoyo, it really shows
No. 477734
>>477715Just compare Ifa's design to Escoffier here
>>477581, the prostitute is half naked while he's in a burqa. God forbid Hoyo men show skin
No. 477747
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It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down…
No. 477748
>>477684>Genshin is abandoning female players to compete with Wuwa.This. The change aligns with the rising popularity of Wuwa last year and Mihoyo staff were apparently in love with that game (to the point they aped Scar's bike and gave it to Mavuika) and Wuwa is absolutely notorious for pandering to incels since the beginning. They remove mentions of other male characters from female characters' voicelines
post release because schizo incels legitimately think they're being cucked if a female character even acknowledges the existence of another man.
No. 477848
>>477510Varesa looks like an eyesore in comparison. Who would exactly want to blow money on rolling for that? Genshin now feels like it has nothing but anime girl filler. Her and the chef girl look like they come from a cheap waifu game.
>>477748I found Wuwa so boring. I don't understand why people keep bringing them up as a better alternative to Mhy when they're not. The game looks flashier, but the writing is worse. You can't have a compelling story game and not allow the characters to interact or have meaningful relationships only with the mc. Even popular franchises that allow romance routes with the mc also have characters having interactions because it's basic worldbuilding. The Wuwa mc looks and is super bland and the writing is for manchildren who want to be a mc collecting wives and having no playable characters who are mean to them because they're king. This is what Genshin wants to copy. I wish for both of these games to flop because I'm tired of the gacha industry feeling like the anime industry when it got taken over by isekai harem trash.
No. 477911
>>477901Male artists cannot be canceled, especially if they’re Asian. Women only ever hold themselves accountable, (or crab bucket each other) so you’re more likely to see 10 callouts about a female artist being
problematic before 1 male pedo goes to jail. A prime example is women hating female fans of yaoi while male fans of yuri are untouchable.
No. 478368
>>478358It's what
>>478364 said. They just made a slutty chef girl.
No. 478380
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>>478368She really is just a slutty chef girl. This is so depressing, she looks exactly like this lingerie.
No. 478391
>>478374I saw that tweet and all the 18-22 something thirdworlders retweeting it thinking it's a own against the evil French cis white male, when he has just his name being taken away and then coomified. The same people eyerolling at Aztec/Subsaharian deities having their name taken away to make Y2K sportlike caricatures in Natlan.
>>478345See: the Scaramouche situation. They thought they could bank on female players to make money, use him in some patch events and then toss him away once they're done with it. Genshin female playerbase is pretty much done with the game if you lookat how LADS is still making gachabuxx and how Ash Echoes made their gender ratio fairer after an organized petition to boycott the game in China.
No. 478454
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The Natlan we deserved (too based for Hoyoverse)
No. 478497
>>478391It's so infuriating that people will defend Hyv and say they're doing this because men don't sell and it's female players fault and Hyv has to follow the market. It's their own incel pride, nothing else. They don't need to be convinced by you buying merch, they already decided to drop these male characters. They know people aren't going anywhere. In CN they at least try to boycott but global never would, they'd have to admit the incel problem existed in the first place instead of thinking that Hyv is reducing male characters because of feminism. They couldn't even boycott them because of Natlan. LADS makes a lot of money but there's still people who don't want to play a romance game but still want to see cute or pretty guys in a game. Many people still care for the Genshin lore and story. It's sad a mixed game where you could guarantee some decent treatment for both genders was possible in early Genshin but now that game can't exist at all because of incels. I can't see Hyv falling off unless there's another game for female players besides LADS, another game that has what Genshin and hsr first offered, but nothing is up on the horizon. Wuwa, NTE, Ananta, all this open world slop has an even worse gender ratio. Hyv knows they can do whatever they want, throw your husbando aside, make you look like a fool, be the reason you get bullied by other fans because where else are they going? Wuwa? After years of sinking money into their accounts? They know the majority of their players aren't going anywhere.
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Well, I’ve finally gotten the last character I wanted. That’s it. My roster is complete. I have no reason to pull or login daily anymore. None of the new designs have any appeal and Dainsleif won’t be coming for another 10 years until HYV needs to press the husbando nuclear button and drop him with a shitty 4* kit. Until then, nonas. Until then.
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>>478454>libfems and neckbeards are fuming in the qrts because of muh double standardsI do not like this art either because male Mavuika is not slutty enough, but this has to be peak insanity. Why are they using fanart, of all things, to prove how misogynistic and hateful husbandofags are? This game never panders to women, and now even fanartists are expected to draw male characters in burkas otherwise these bitches will crawl out of the woodwork to harass the artist and the women who liked the art. This is beyond bizarre to me.
No. 478788
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>>478773Too many Natlan defenders as of late now that the dust has settled.
>homoverseinfyThis fucking tranny again. He's dilating everytime he sees a genderbent. Male!Mavuika doesn't even look as slutty as the OG, not even with the zipper. He doesn't even look like a latex faggot ready to tip every single Natlan gay bar around and yuritrannies + sanriocore lardasses are frothing at the mouth.
No. 479361
>>479248>Honkai Star Rail is relying on popularity polls to write the story but they really will only listen to incels.Is it about the Firefly vs Kafka skin? Everybody was rightfully pissed about the incelbait being picked but not Kafka.
>Even with writers themselves coming out and saying that they hate the players and want them upset, people still believe in Hoyo.They will cape for WQ NPS because theya re the ones getting a decent plotline despite being NPCs and voiceless. Hoyofags deeply believe it will carry out to more important stories like AQ, which is hilarious.
No. 479421
>>479361The Firefly skin and the fact that she's getting another patch to "fix" her writing when many other characters are dropped. Sunday as a character getting dropped too due to incel writers hating him and as revenge on female players for wanting to boycott the company. Plus they'll most likely stop releasing men after Phainon.
>They will cape for WQ NPS because theya re the ones getting a decent plotline despite being NPCs and voiceless. It's true the best content in the game will be for NPCs simply because the writers have more freedom since they're not restricted by needing to sell characters. I do understand why people still like it, the event story is really going to tug on your heartstrings if you love animals and I give them credit when it's due because the good parts of Genshin are why it's harder for people to fully leave. What else is competing with Genshin, Wuwa? A game that's even worse when it comes to gender ratio and making all the girls revolve around the mc?
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>>479872>Please make Elysia be self insert baitI thought I was alone in this. Elysia has the most mentally ill fanbase out of all Honkai characters. Women on shitter sincerely believe she is some heckin based lesbian representation who gets misunderstood by incels because of her flirty nature. Many of them are so delusional that even if Hoyo adds very blatant incelpandering with her, they will still see it as her just being "platonically" flirty.
I was genuinely curious why yurifags have labeled her as yuri jesus, so I checked out some of her clips, and it’s the most bland slop that literally screams written by a moid for other moids. All she does is repeat "uwawa I love cute and pretty girls so much" over and over again like a broken record. And this is all it takes for shitterfags to label her as the greatest lesbian character ever. And despite being a "lesbian" by twitter standards, she also has bait with the writer’s self-insert Kevin which yurifags dismiss as a platonic brother-sister relationship. Class S yuri has better "lesbian representation" than this garbage.
Anyway, some leaks are claiming that she will have even more blatant shipbait than Castorice starting from 3.4. I really hope this is true because the meltdown that will happen on shitter and /vg/ will be glorious.
No. 480034
>>479918Yuritroons love boring shit like this though. They hate any female character with actual personality and most people on Hoyo twitter have never played hi3 but they "just know" Elysia is a lesbian because its what the big accounts say. But there's no helping all the delusional people who believe that Hoyo's shipbaits are queer coding. These people will defend known misogynists if they can ship yuri like that Limegan freak
>>479973. They have no standards, most weebs are used to sloppy writing of female characters and saying that its the critics who are misogynists.
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>>479918The language these people use is fascinating.
> Hoyoverse: makes female character into a ship-baity prostitute waifu for male MC> Yuritards: how dare the fandom turn this female character into a ship-baity prostitute waifu!!!> Hoyoverse: makes a racist goonerbait nation with shallow female characters> Yuritards: anyone complaining about Natlan is racist and also secretly a pervert who hates women!!!Why do they always blame people in fandom for simply pointing out what Hoyoverse is doing instead of blaming Hoyoverse itself? The only reason I can think of is extreme copium: the minute they admit that HYV made an incel-driven decision on purpose is the minute they're forced to reconcile with reality and can no longer blindly claim 'muh canon HYV lesbians'. Yuritards just keep lathering themselves in shit only to crash out at anyone who pinches their nose while walking by, kek.
No. 480213
>>480198Its biggest crime was making me cringe. I felt like a male mlp fan whenever I played Genshin. It was embarrassing to pick up the game because it was a gooner game made to scam 12 year old boys in between Pokémon battles. They literally made the region’s archon sing in a band with all the playable characters and do a giant rainbow friendship attack. It’s humiliating to think that they would ever assume people would enjoy this, and I was even more horrified to see some people thought this slop was
cool. It completely turned me off the fandom and game. I loved Sumeru and love hot climates, but this is just a zoo safari ride but every lion or giraffe has a 200$ rainbow flying sexy anime girl equivalent that is shoved down your throat. Even when I played I refused to explore Natlan and I hated every stupid bimbo they wanted me to pull. Not even Ifa is enough to convince me to come back, even if I would have killed for a dark skin tall male.
No. 480293
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>>480237They see girl moments and think they must be so in love. Notice all these tards dropped right after the yuri in Genshin has gone stale.
No. 480295
>>480237>Hoyo plays both sides.This is exactly how Hoyo gets away with everything. Aventurine gets baited with Ratio, Topaz, and the Trailblazer so fujos, straight shippers, and yumes all think that they have won. They do not care about the other very obvious problems with hoyo as long as they get their crumbs. I have not played ZZZ, but I have seen a ridiculous number of posts from so-called “sapphics” defending Astra’s trailer where she basically almost kisses Wise. According to them, that kind of thing is just close friendship and if you take issue with it, you are suddenly a lesbophobe who believes lesbians cannot have male friends.
Castorice had people mad for several
valid reasons like her global passive and the way she is framed as the Trailblazer’s new cumdumpster. But her promo materials keep using Stelle, so yurifgas have already moved on and forgiven her. Fujos and straight shippers are defending her too, because in their heads Castorice/Trailblazer parallels the two other popular Amphoreus ships: Phainon/Mydei and Aglaea/Anaxa. Basically, as long as everyone is getting their bait, they will eat whatever slop Hoyo throws at them.
>>480293>shipping aglaea and castoriceThis is beyond cucked to me. These kinds of people have zero issue with coombait, so why not just go watch actual yuri anime instead of projecting yuri delusions onto a game that is one step away from going full harem route kek.
No. 480358
>>480293I still see the usual suspects now moving on to defending Natlan and the fanservice. They're loud in HSR fandom as well. They're interchangeable with incels asking for less male characters because they think that women who like male characters are sluts for not making the fan content that appeals to them.
>>480295There's shipwars more often than the story and at first I thought it was only fandom being fandom, but it takes two to tango. Mhy are very aware of fan culture and what will stir up fighting in the fanbase. They know the story and characters are actually paper thin so how else do you create engagement? Rage. It's how everything online operates now, rage = engagement. Mhy isn't the only company to do this.
They create situations for people to fight all the time. They bait a character for several groups and sit back and watch the shipwars, such as what happened with Fontaine. Or Astra getting that trailer with Wise but also having bait with Evelyn. Making people fight about which mc is "more canon" based on their promotional material, and also benefiting from fujos fighting about ships. Limmegan himself said he liked to see fujos fighting and people are still falling for it.
>in their heads Castorice/Trailblazer parallels the two other popular Amphoreus ships: Phainon/Mydei and Aglaea/AnaxaThey also now believe that Firefly is overheated and is not waifubait for incels and is instead representation for trans people. They always defend this type of self insert slop writing. The fandom would be much more bearable if people stopped arguing about implied ships and expys and what sexuality a character is, but they'll never do that because they can't admit that a gacha company doesn't care. They need everything they consume to be morally good representation so the fanservice is feminism and Mhy is writing lesbians for lesbians. Who needs incels when these are your "allies"?
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>>480358Indeed, why limiting yourself to incels when you can pit women against each other and add trannies in the mix?
No. 480510
>>480213>Its biggest crime was making me cringe.And there you have it tbh. Natlan's worst part was that nothing about it was something you could enjoy unironically, all of it was just embarrassing and made you feel like it was mocking your intelligence just playing it. The traveling mechanics obviously created to cash in on the region restricted characters, the literal fwendship is magic story arc, the beyond dated modern aesthetics, Citlali being waifubait so aggressive she put Ayaka to shame, the really bad and childish writing around the theme of death, all of it made me
cringe. The previous story arcs weren't perfect, but even at the very worst they made me bored to be reading through the dialogue, not actively make me feel shame for wasting my limited time on earth on this.
No. 480547
>>480538>despite releasing more malesThe bar is in hell. Amphoreus has only 3 male characters - Mydei, Anaxa and Phainon. Dan Heng was also supposed to get a new 5-star preservation form. However, some leaks suggest that he has been removed and that another new male character will take his place. Meanwhile this is the roster for female characters - Aglaea, Tribbie, Hyacine, Cipher, Cerydra, Hysilens, March 7th Remembrance, Cyrene. Mydei and Anaxa's kits got nerfed into oblivion, literal-who female characters get more shilling than them and they get completely written off from the story after their shill patch. Some unreliable leaks are even saying that if the writer's self insert Phainon doesn't do well then HSR will also go genshin route. So yes, for now HSR is releasing "more" male characters but
>their kits are always very bad>little to no special material to promote them like trailers>their banners are always in the 2nd half>they don't get signature relics unless they are Phainon>they get removed from the story after their banner ends>they have the most bland outfits + animation>remembrance and quantum are genderlocked>harmony got it's first male character after almost 2 years>literally every other 5 star male character is imaginary>>480518It's grim really. Liberal feminism has completely destroyed the minds of most women.
No. 480551
>>480547It's literally just simply weeb circles being absolutely infected with moid coomery enabled at every single layer and these people trapped with their sunk cost effect are frogs being slowly boiled alive, they got into gacha for the fun aesthetics and cute designs yet gradually had to push their own limits to accommodate the increasingly sexualized pigshit being slipped on their plates. So they make up these retarded copes about how "a-actually t-they're l-lesbians a-and s-stop s-slutshaming fictional wahmen!" to cope with the disappointment because at this point they've parroted enough anti-bishounen sentiments about fujos and yumes being malecentric cockbreaths that they can't walk back on it without a complete destruction of their ego and equally insane social circles. That's why the moment they actually spot a male character they enjoy they headcanon him as a female lesbian.
>literally every other 5 star male character is imaginaryAlso don't forget that their best supports are always female.
No. 480578
>>480547>>480295People will forgive anything as long as they get some shipbait. I'm a fujo but I think the people arguing about "coding" in these games are deluded. Nothing is canon, they want people to keep fighting while they rake in the profits. People will forgive anything if their ship gets some crumbs, but I'm not going to be fooled. I'm sure they'll toss in some crumbs for WrioNeuv or IfaOro in the next event and people will go "HOMOverse has our back" but I'm not buying.
>>480538>>480547Hsr isn't better but it did manage to fool people since it was many people's second game until we realized what Hoyo does. They bait you with cool husbandos but shaft them every time and create the gender war on purpose. They're already going to drop Sunday. Word is that incels have it out for him and because female players boycotted Hoyo they're going to drop him as a character in retaliation, which means him not being meta or being in the story they were setting up for him. Hoyo will give the male characters bad kits or no trailers but people keep getting fooled with the merch. They'll see Aventurine getting a patch for himself or a yaoi ship getting some promotion and the usual Hoyotards will see Mydei being shirtless and say "see! you can't complain about female fanservice this man is shirtless!". Nobody is allowed to talk about the way they treat male characters without getting called misogynists.
Of course Hsr is already at the top of the charts because Castorice's global passives won't kill the game. I have to ask when people will really see what Hoyo does and how this can possibly work out for them. Ruin one game and give that to incels (Genshin) to try and push female players to the new game (Hsr) but then also treat male characters like shit and then also shaft female players. I know people would give the argument that they're not pandering to incels in Genshin because Hsr was getting more men, because people don't understand what Hoyo does. Why are people still trusting this company? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, etc.
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Oh nonnies! Doomsday has arrived! For whom the Tulaytullah's Remembrance bell tolls. It’s been magical tinfoiling with you all. May the prophecy come true. My next hope is that they shaft Cypher to shill Hyacine as the newest “innocent” waifu with a healing passive that conveniently fixes Anaxa’s issues.
No. 480616
>>480601I summoned her on HSR today for your posts
and I still lost 50/50 over this gay ass game>>480551Ever since HSR topped the charts, they've been whiteknighting Aglaea (because she's attracted to her mannequins???) and Cipher (because she le cunty catgirl). Watch them backtracking when Skirk is out because the meta is catering to her at the moment (exclusive set, slutchef being her best support, etc..)
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>>480625NYART but no, at this point Genshin is just one crumbling pillar in the larger scheme of the toppling Hoyoverse empire. It’s worth discussing together. If it bothers you so much then I would suggest setting up a separate thread for Hoyoverse complaints but I assure you that will not purge this thread of negativity if that’s your goal here, kek.
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>>481051I stand corrected! I got a text for the limited Chiori thing and a text about last year's lantern right, but the point still stands that in 4 years I've only got a text for 1 5 star. It felt like I got a knock at my front door to find this billion dollar company on it's knees in front of me.
No. 481542
>>481516Only a true cuckquean could sit and clap and say yasss queen as they brutally murder all husbandos company wide. The only fan content for male characters comes once every 5 hoyofairs. Pick your favorite fanfiction, commission an animator of choice and consider the story ended and abandon your account. As a Dottore fan, I choose to believe this is his ending, he traps his own clones in an anomaly he found in order to exploit the remaining memory he has of his one and only love, Soreh, who conveniently looks and acts exactly like me. Columbina is just the manifestation of his fears and insecurities. I’ve coped so much that I managed to entirely desensitize myself to Hoyoscum moids. I’d love to be mad about Mydei and Anaxa but why care? They’ll be dead soon enough, and once they’re done feeding us scraps we never get anything again. New gacha games are hopeless cyber-slop, so no need to play.
I just goon to my own husbando ocs. You can even just start making autistic sonic recolors of your husbando and lie to yourself about it being original. I cannot stress how OVER it all is, pilfer what you want from the company like you’re scavenging a corpse. The lore is practically up for grabs, and Nod Krai will just be the final retcon after Sumeru. You have your pick of the litter when it comes to stealing lore. We will NEVER know what happens to Childe in the abyss, Albedo and gold, Venti in the war, Thoma in Mondsadt, Diluc in Snezhnaya, Scara in the fatui, Alhaitham and king deshret, Kaeya/Dainself in Khaenri'ah, and Dottore is going to be crushed to death in Nod Krai by slutya to shill Columbina as Mizuki but with angel wings! So why not have a little fun while the fandom is still breathing? I would laugh if it wasn’t so sad.
No. 481590
>>481486That's what makes the gender war so stupid, most husbando wanters I know don't hate female characters for being female. People just hate the misogynist writing that comes with being bait for self inserts and the fact that male characters are getting shafted completely because irl moids are crying that playable men make them feel gay. There's still morons calling this move "feminism" and they're far gone enough to see some gold in dogshit like Citlali's writing, but outside of virtue signaling tweets about how the girls are totally not waifubait, how much actual passionate engagement do you see? How much good fanart that isn't ai generated pornslop are you really seeing for them?
>>481542This is the way. I think fujos and most fanfiction writers are used to making characters their own OCS when the canon shit the bed. Most popular canons on AO3 shat themselves or were wasted potential for the characters and I support people making them their own OCs. Let the fanon outlive the canon, since even the worst fanon will be better than the sloppy retconned mess Genshin canon will turn into.
No. 481674
>>481612>>481590Like a true autist, I’ve already ransacked the genshin cannon for my own ocs and when picking apart my favorite characters piece by piece I realize what an utter pile of shit Genshin actually is. I have to repurpose so much because the lore is written episodically, as not even the original writers ever were interested in resolving the story in a timely manner, and any semblance of and ending or payoff flew out the window 4 billion dollars ago. Why stop the gravy train? There is nothing they’re building up to secretly, 80% is flavor text and 20% is relevant story. What was the point of Signora’s backstory if she remains dead and her funeral is nothing more than a villain teaser trailer? For her fans? The fans you can’t make money off of unless you string them along for years? Once I realized that applied to Dottore too, I was crushed. They have huge blocks of interesting lore and concepts that never come up in the main story, ever and nobody ever acknowledges them and they have no effect on the world. Because the “world” is one big fat wiki with no actual feeling of a lived in world. I was half convinced it was AI generated for every quest past 3.4. All they’re capable of doing is making good dolls to play with, those are always the safest bet. Broad archetypes and tropes slapped on characters to appeal to certain demographics for maximum sales. They have enough personality and perceived depth to write about and be a fan of but nothing controversial, because that would hurt sales, along with the image people want to project onto the character. (Arlechinno appeals to people who like cool women, scythe, edginess, kuudere, dominant women, tomboy, bifauxnen, villains, but she isn’t allowed to be a truly evil murder. Why is that?)
Teyvat and its residents are excellent for projection, theorizing and self insertion by design. It was a male reader insert isekai from the start, open your eyes people! This was all on purpose because at it’s core it was made my MOIDS. They have no soul! If you look at it from this perspective it lessens the blow. We didn’t lose our perfect game and husbandos because of coomers randomly joining staff, we simply were shown the true nature of the game and company and had our long held head cannons and theories crushed by reality… and coomers. Infact I’m happy we were told now rather than years later. Instead of waiting around for the official answer that’s never coming, and doing free advertisement for a game that hates you, instead we can just rip them off ad nauseam with our fanfiction or “”original”” characters kek. This isn’t Alhaitham, this is al-Rahman, a descendant of the long disgraced king Solomon who infected the land with unknowable knowledge! Parody them shamelessly like how they stole BOTW. If you’re creative or popular enough, nobody will care. (Brujoari for example). I’ve already taken what I wanted and am now just hate watching like a bitter ex. I expect this thread to be flooded with ocs and fanfiction and head canons. I’ll even go first:
I sort of ignored Capitano being in Natlan because idgaf about Varka, and preferred to imagine him in a sort of Winterfell like stronghold, with what would be the replacement spot for the 10th harbinger. They would have a very reserved unspoken bond and Childe would have an odd jealousy/nostalgia because of his time with Skirk. He was going to be passed over and there was nothing he could do about it without returning to old tricks. This is where Childe would be further explore the Foul Legacy transformation to become a permanent fixture of his body. Like a symbiote. And also the new 10th harbinger would vaguely resemble Diluc (Crepus) for Dottore ship bait. Fontaine would have been much darker, with a Lovecraftian/Enkanomiya aesthetic, with constant sea monster attacks like old Liyue. A dark nautical steampunk, like what we had inside the fortress of meropide. Wriothesley would have been a grizzled ship Capitan, with a whole navy. We have the nation of water with NO navy? Natlan would have been less African inspired and more meso American and Arab, and give Africa and India to Sumeru. And that’s just off the top of my head, I haven’t touched my fix-it-fanfiction doc. No. 481986
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I miss him.
>>481674Based. Honestly I never had too much hope in this game from the start. At the end of the day it's still gachaslop, and just like basically every other gachaslop, the number 1 goal is to shill every character and have as broad appeal as possible to the market they chose so everyone is comfortable forking over upwards of 100 dollars for a little pixel person. And why would they do that if said pixel person isn't the equivalent of their personal court jester who also lives to lick the skid marks on their underwear? "Morally gray" doesn't cut it, otherwise both incel fans and underage Twitter fans will throw hissy fits. Nobody else remembers when arlecchino was being called furina's abuser? The only difference between this and other gacha games is budget and the fact they unfortunately have some good snippets of lore, the intention was never to write a true story like a book. Anyways, if you ever feel like posting more fan works, analysis, your version of the lore, or just long form posts I'll gladly read them, I enjoyed reading this and it opened my eyes a little too. I'm going to be stealing ayato myself, and treating teyvat like my own personal sandbox because that's probably how they intended it to be in the first place. Just not for harem purposes. It's a good exercise for my creativity so I recommend others do the same.
No. 482092
>>481986I can yap all day about my gripes with Teyvat since I generally enjoy ignoring canon. Mondsadt would be much more structured yet dilapidated. Ursa the drake was only killed in recent decades. Where are all the ruined settlements, theres only the main city and dragonspine? How does the dawn winery have the capacity to ship globally and why does Diluc, a presumed millionaire, spend his days in a dinky little wooden bar? In my head, the angel’s share is a chain all over Teyvat and he just hangs around the original as its founder. Speaking of Ursa, if Dottore is considered a hero, why are the fatui not more prevalent inside of Mondsadt? I assume they’d be all over that! Diluc would be dead 72 times over. Maybe he was so not worth it Dottore just shrugged it off.
Why does nobody care about gods? I understand on some level you need to humanize gods to make them sellable to the masses but why does nobody worship or give a fuck about their lord unless they’re Barbara or Sara? How come nobody prays or believes in their god unless it’s their job? Furina is basically a celebrity, Ei is a waifu/feared dictator, Zhongli is human, Venti is both irrelevant and human, Mauvika is a respected celebrity, and the Tsaritsa is a gang leader. What the fuck?? In my genshin, where it is confirmed that god and the afterlife is real and tangible, people are highly religious and devout. Of course Childe loves the Tsaritsa, she’s god on earth! Archons have no real aura or presence unless posed as an antagonist and it pisses me off.
Fontaine is a huge missed opportunity as I already said, because despite their posturing behind faux dark themes like kidnapping and child abuse, ultimately they’re too pussy to actually go through with it. People are dissolved into water and not killed. Lyney and Lynette arent murderers even if they definitely are. Arlechinno isnt a child abuser and is super nice and sad. They couldn’t even give Lynette ptsd or something about getting almost-raped. Because Arlechinno kills pedophiles because she’s soooo nice and isn’t just taking out competition for child. Not to mention the endless shilling about Furina and her supposed 500 years of lonely suffering. (Unanimously adored by all, subservient dragon, endless gdp, most advanced and prosperous society). When we could have had “The Deep Ones” genshin edition, where we deduce who is human and who is oceanid. We could even tie it back to the flood prophecy and original sin with more or less the same plot but actual mystery and suspense. There were soo many slam dunks! They didn’t even go for the obvious French Revolution angle and never even touched upon class issues despite talking about the fucking prison industrial complex.
I could probably whip up a oneshot about Fontaine on ao3 if anyone is interested in hearing more. Or even the Childe/Capitano thing. It could be cool if they were using the primordial water to spread the fish/oceanid infection to more people so that the great flood would claim more lives. Maybe the fatui had a plan to stop it they were going to leverage for the hydro gnosis.
No. 482286
>>482092I remember for a brief moment when all we had were leaks that Sandrone and Arlecchino would be in Fontaine, and lore made Focalors sound fucked up. It's my fault for having hope after thinking that Inazuma would have good conflict and let the female characters be messed up, but for a brief moment people were drawing "
toxic yuri" Focalors with Arle and Sandrone. The fandom eats up Hyv's watered down writing every single time. They call Arlecchino "morally grey" because fandom doesn't actually want morally grey characters. They want a female character who only kills bad men so they can't feel bad liking her. There can't be any true conflict because fans are too immature to handle it, so we get watered down not antagonistic Arle and Furina is a suffering baby who did nothing wrong. All the issues Fontaine has is conveniently not the fault of any playables. Fontaine should be getting the same shit Inazuma got, except by now anyone who stills cares about Genshin likes this form of writing. They will move on and try and say "you won't be able to handle the Tsaritsa!" and then deny, deny, deny that Hyv waters down all their female characters. This is why I can never take anyone who calls it a female driven narrative seriously. A real good female driven narrative wouldn't be afraid to show conflicts and let female characters drive the plot and be bad people sometimes. You can't have a real strong female driven narrative if every woman has to be nice and nonthreatening or else the incels will complain.
There can never be any good stories when Hyv writes for popularity and for the most immature group of moids. Hsr is turning to shit with the popularity based writing. The fans can't even handle a character like Jade, or Sunday, people will hate a character if they're antagonistic or mean to their favorites, so we can never get any real interesting playables or conflicts necessary for a good story because of this.
No. 482331
>>482286Real conflict cannot exist in a Hoyoverse game as the second it exists it puts sales and incel feefees in jeopardy. Scaramouche is quite possibly the most neutered brat character they’ve ever released and they were stabbing cats on the street because of him. He came across as a petulant and annoying child at best and they couldn’t even handle that. So imagine the outrage if Signora refused to dump her dead husband for Aether. Simply being a sexy dominatrix wasn’t enough to save her, so they used her as a jobber for the more advantageous waifu, Ei, and it payed off. If Capitano, an inoffensive and beloved male fatui was pushed to the side, used as an archon jobber, and killed, what happens to any actual villains, aka, Dottore? Anyone who thinks Columbina and Sandrone will be anything but yandere/shy/autistic anemo and geo waifus respectively, you’re high on crack. It’s the same type of delusions and schizophrenia as EiMiko shippers and Arlechinno stans who claim she is morally grey. There is no such thing as danger, suspense, mystery, stakes or conflict because at the end of the day, the slop must be shilled, and nobody is pulling if their Mickey Mouse clubhouse time is interrupted by actual storytelling. Even if I could, I wouldn’t opt to actually change the Hoyoverse writing style simply because the fans love eating their yummy slop. Why take pigs out of their sty when they’re happily rolling on the shit? They’ll get mad if you point out the shit is infact, shit, and not a pile of hundred dollar bills and diamonds. I hope everything gets worse. Let them ruin Snezhnaya too, it would be funny seeing people from whichever Balkan shithole finally get mad that the newest set of prostitutes shit on their culture with the worst writing imaginable. Not like anyone will hear them.
No. 482775
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Kek. The chef slut must be someone's waifu to staple Skirk to her so strongly. I doubt she'll stay weak but it would be so funny if she was terrible.
No. 483017
Just caught up with quests and "lore" after 1+ year of not playing. Damn. At least if it was atrociously horrendous, it would be funny. But it's just downright bland. Lantern Rite was the closest to "not bad" (but then again I'm biased, Liyue is my fav region).
The fact that even the dinosaurs had more character depth and were bigger tear-jerkers than the characters really says something.
People are shitting on the writers but I wonder if it's really them or higher-ups rejecting everything that's actually good and demanding waifuslop instead.
>>475720>the very first outsider to descend >possessed some unnamed guyEveryone has their right to tinfoil, sure, but … huh? If they're going to reach that hard, wouldn't it make more sense to connect it to the (leaked) character with a much more similar real-world inspiration like Barbelo?
Then again that wouldn't satisfy their sexist omegaverse fanfic fantasy I guess
>>471396>xiaovenfagwait, what? I knew about the fujo and husbandry part, but never seen anything about xv. source?
No. 483459
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>>483146I was never into her design from the start. That full see through body sock with the boob wedgie, open back going all the way up to her ass crack, and all those random holes on the sides plus the jiggle physics? Nah. I actually liked one of her concept arts where she had flared pants, but knowing Hoyo, I am sure that even if they used that design they would have given her a sheer see-through top with an open back.
No. 483672
>>483618Can't say when, but I'll tell you how. It's going to be the male character prophecy all over again.
>never releases males>most male-char enjoyers keep saving up free primogems as time passes>male character releases>the free primogems are more than enough to get him, thus = less money spent>"male characters and their audience aren't profitable">repeatAlternatively
>when they finally release a male character it's half-assed in design, lore, game mechanics or all of the above>even the thirstiest fujos/yumes/whatever dislike him so they don't pull>"see, male characters aren't profitable">>483138Interesting. I saw that video but my CN skills are nearly 0 and didn't catch that part.
I still wonder where they got that from though. Going through her profile I never saw anything related to xv or any pairing in particular.
Many thanks for indulging my curiosity and translating.
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>>483600They're already writing suicide notes because Genshin is taking HSR's direction, which already happened with Mavuika + Citlali. Also kek imagine being interested in her lore when she's only going to join traveler's harem.
Apparently Varesa's banner sold very poorly (4M in Japan) while HSRfags are slurping the global passives up (Castorice's banner made 28,2M in Japan).
>>483672Kek, you're welcome. Deweibs' account on twitter is full of Weibo drama and that's where I got the video.
No. 483853
>>483017Childefags can't admit he got shafted the same way every Genshin man has. I get it because Hoyo is scum dragging them along for so long barely revealing anything about him that people want to believe a good writer would never do this, but there no longer are good writers.
>People are shitting on the writers but I wonder if it's really them or higher-ups rejecting everything that's actually good and demanding waifuslop instead.I think some of the event writing is very good but archon quests are shit. When the focus isn't on selling a character or needing to fit an incel's self insert fantasy, the story is pretty solid. This might be why its harder for people to leave Genshin entirely.
>>483571Genshin always had fanserivce but even the fanservice in characters like Navia or Xianyun looked way better than the mess that is Chasca's face full of makeup or Mavuika's pussy zipper. There's a reason why I see lesbians all over characters like Kafka in HSR over someone like Chasca; ironically I think Chasca's personality would appeal to a lot of lesbians but her design is so fucking ugly any woman with a brain knows she's not obviously for us.
>>483672It's a cycle that will never end because people have fully believed that wanting more men in this game is misogynist. I hate the otome argument not because I have anything against otome games, but because I don't like the idea that the only games women should ever get to have are dating sims. I don't think all gacha should be dating sims. What makes Genshin's downfall so bad for me is that the game was fine before it started pandering to these incels. An rpg with an overarching story that let both male and female characters exist was what got them so popular. It was popular because plenty of women aren't fully satisfied with otome, or with card collecting games. Women have always liked rpgs. Genshin filled in the void that general anime style rpgs left. Women have always liked these games and women have always enjoyed interacting with male characters in ways beyond only wanting to date them. Telling women to just go back to romance and dress up games and leave the plotty open world games to the men is just misogyny and I'll always hate Hoyo for squandering Genshin like they did.
No. 483934
>>483853>What makes Genshin's downfall so bad for me is that the game was fine before it started pandering to these incels. An rpg with an overarching story that let both male and female characters exist was what got them so popular. This is what genuinely smarts me so bad. One of the big reasons I initially started playing genshin in 1.0 was that the gender ratio was closer to 1:3 or 1:2 rather than the 1:5 most games had gone for, and that the female characters looked fairly modest compared to many other gooner casino gachas I had played previously. I remember gushing about the abundance of male character banners with my friends, in the beginning we got Venti, Childe, Zhongli, Albedo and Xiao almost back to back. I loved the adventuring and combat and thought this would be the beginning of a new era but no. It all came tumbling down because a moid CEO will always bow to the most unhinged incels because deep down they sympathize more with them than the sanest woman.
>Women have always liked these games and women have always enjoyed interacting with male characters in ways beyond only wanting to date them. Telling women to just go back to romance and dress up games and leave the plotty open world games to the men is just misogyny and I'll always hate Hoyo for squandering Genshin like they did.This, so many times. It genuinely upsets me when people just shrug off all complaints and say "stop whining and go play Infinity Nikki and LADS". While I'm glad those games exist for women, they're not for me! I don't care about dating games or dress up games! I've never cared! I've played JRPGs since I was a child but the genre has been killed and brutalized by LNs and gacha. No more interesting character interactions, no more compelling story and worldbuilding, no more soundtracks you listen to while out and about, no more titillating gameplay, just microtransaction waifus each increasingly more fetishized than the last. And the rare male characters you get are extreme NPCs like Ifa, Kinich and Sethos (Nothing personal regarding our resident Sethosfag but it's a fact) only meant as props for incels to think that at least they're not AS low as the degenerates who only play azur lane and snowbreak.
No. 484855
>>484748I don't think there are any western devs that make or would want to make Gachas in a similar style to eastern ones. Yeah, there are lootboxes, but you're pulling for cosmetics at the most, not more gameplay features. So you're just gonna have to hold out hope for some brave eastern dev with copious amounts of money.
Or even better, hope someone makes a non-gacha game altogether.
No. 484866
>>484748I would never trust that from America and they would never make a gacha game with pretty male characters. I'm shallow and don't care to see ugly dudes because Western moids are even more insane about pretty boys existing, and the West is also plagued by so much fujoshi and purity discourse that I'd never see the type of characters I like in a game without people trying to cancel them for being "
problematic". We would never see anything fujo friendly either because they believe it's fetishizing gay men. Look at how most indie devs are very discourse purity poisoned and I don't think they could ever make a fun game that's not trying to lecture the player about relationships or trauma. Boring.
I don't like the idea that the only games friendly for women must involve dressing up or a dating sim. I liked Genshin because I liked seeing characters interact with each other, any mc pandering was the least important part. What I miss are the type of anime rpgs gacha replaced. Genshin was the perfect formula and the devs ruined it. Final Fantasy games take too long to come out now and changed direction, Tales of is dead, maybe Fire Emblem can get people back if their new game is better than Engage? Since most women I know who play Genshin didn't come from otomes, they either came from Japanese gachas where they were getting bored with the gameplay or uneven fanservice, or from jrpg fandoms like Persona or Fire Emblem.
No. 484915
>>484871CN devs do make games with story that are non-gacha and non-otome, but the west either doesn't find it appealing enough to pay attention or they never get English translations. i think this is because there tends to be some chinese mythology, CN history, or wuxia/xianxia subtexts involved, which aren't things that interest the regular gaming audience and it's hard to get into unless it's done in an anime waifu style for the nerds.
CN storytelling gets mixed reviews about pacing and writing from the west, but you can try "Sword and Fairy 7" or the older games in the series, or Gujian3 to see if it interests you.
No. 484933
>>484871I get that part, I just don't understand why no one gets that Genshin and HSR's success is due to being a mixed game. They were already profitable. The profit argument is a lie from incel devs who sabotage male characters. Nobody forced HYV to do that, they did it themselves. That makes this situation worse because we already knew male characters could sell and make a game popular. People need to stop acting like HYV is just following the date when it's a conscious choice from Dawei to do this.
>>484909I think remasters never get big because people already played them and people want new games. The social aspect can be why people would rather play a popular game than an older one no one is talking about. A lot of people still play Genshin to play with their friends, or they produce content for the fandom because it gets feedback from other people.
>>484915Danmei was pretty popular so I think if there was some fujobait one could make it big. There's other CN gachas that do have a mixed cast with an even gender ratio like Ash Echoes was recently released, but it doesn't seem to as big in global because the gameplay is considered "too hard" and it's not open world. Other gachas with a mixed cast look like they're CN only. Onmyouji is also a popular mixed game but some people find the gameplay outdated. It sucks they cancelled the open world Onmyouji game, maybe it could have gotten more people interested in it.
No. 484987
>>484915>CN devs do make games with story that are non-gacha and non-otomeSorry to piggyback off your comment, but I thought I'd pimp Sultan's Game here. It's a relatively new game on Steam that was developed by CN devs who used to work on a small otome game (Spiral Waltz).
Anyway the game is a breath of fresh air because it allows you to be as morally depraved (or ambiguous) as you wish, which is something I wanted from Genshin when they first introduced Dottore in the comic and the rest of the Harbingers. Give it a try if you want a plot-heavy game that allows you to build your own harem/religion/cult/kingdom or whatever.
No. 485084
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Holy kek
No. 485222
>>485137People will still spend on Skirk. She has the metafags, the waifufags, and the poor sunk cost Childefags who still haven't gotten a clue and who think Skirk will give them Childe lore and interactions.
>>485148They know their bag is secure because no one is going to leave at least until Snezhnaya which they keep pushing back. Other games are even worse with the gender ratio so they're unlikely to take people who started Genshin because they wanted to see a mixed cast in a game with actual story and worldbuilding in the first place.
No. 485242
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>>485084>was there since the big boss leakYep fuck Hoyo this game is DEAD to me. Their precious honkai waifu gets a meta breaking sword and dedicated support while husbando rollers have to suffer because another cute boy is relegated to 4 star filler. Not to mention that abominations like Varesa and Escoffier get to be 5 star but Dahlia, a character that's been teaser for well over four years at this point, gets neutered like hell just because his design might """offend""" the incels like how Lyney's did, on top of probably being trash meta wise, and also forcing husbando rollers to roll on some bitch's banner too. I knew I shouldn't expect anything since the Iansan fiasco, but Jesus Christ
No. 485471
>>485415I know that Mhy won't go back because Da Wei is an incel, but how does no one see what made it so popular? People who want men shouldn't be told to only go to otome games. What made Genshin and their other games popular is the same factor that got a lot of women into jrpgs in the 2000s. It got a ton of fans who were into Square Enix games. That's the audience, and Square Enix didn't get big by only pandering to incels.
Anyway with how fucking slow game development is now and how many jrpg titles are basically dead and every upcoming gacha being more waifuslop, Hyv can keep coasting by until Snezhnaya because there's nothing to take this audience away yet.