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Taylor R is a “hardworking” “self-made” “successful” former model and Youtuber from Canada whose main claim to fame used to be copying Dakota’s embarrassing 2012-2015 living doll phase. She’s since abandoned this endeavor to copy Casey Neistat, the Kardashians, Jenna Marbles, Safiya Nygaard, and Valeria Lipovesky, among others. In the past, she focused on bad DIY videos and boring 30-minute vlogs in which she recaps serious challenges from her week, including hiring assistants, eating food, drinking coffee, exercising, seeing various scam artists (fortune tellers, naturopathic healers).
Her husband, Tom Lip is a successful businessman. One of his companies, MenClub, was exposed for featuring at least 8 underage (age 12-16) girls in skimpy clothing on their site. After news of this spread, Taylor made two videos defending the right of men to ogle children (it’s “cultural”! Don’t like, don’t click!), stated it’s just one or two people who hate her, and insisted that she was never an escort, a claim no one ever made seriously. The purpose of the MenClub “private room” (which requires an individual to vet the applicant’s salary) is still unknown. Taylor claims that it’s for latte-making classes and "cigar nights." Apparently there were a lot of parties with girls though: >>129120
and help navigating hostess clubs in Japan >>129123
. Tom's defense of his business ethics throws new light on Taylor's dolly phase, given that he immediately recognized how to make money from Taylor's "innocent" look while still dating her. Tom has denied any responsibility for Menclub’s content and continues to employ the perverted author of all the underage model features. The perv continues to comment on underage girls’ bodies and gets paid to do so. An anon found an article advocating that men date underage girls in the archive.org record of Menclub: >>126757
Most of Taylor's work since she started dating Tom can be traced back to his businesses. Taylor started out by working for BeautyExchange, did work for MenClub (though she denied it), and was promoted by Studio 54. There are probably many other connections between Tom and Taylor's "success," despite her insistence that her "success" is separate from his. (He finances the entire lifestyle she displays on her blog.)
Taylor has started her own business, TOAT, which is a complete rip-off of Gwyneth Paltrow’s goop website, right down to the code, which her web designer copied and pasted from goop >>121540
. TOAT is meant to be a lifestyle website, but is rarely if ever updated with articles; those that exist are practically useless. The real purpose of TOAT is to sell overpriced basic clothes with a huge mark-up for shipping and give Taylor the opportunity to be a model without actually having clients book her. Taylor refuses to discuss whether the cheap-looking products sold on TOAT are made ethically or where they come from (but she toured the packaging center! Because that’s important). Among her eternally sold-out products are a number of knock-offs, the most notable being the bee earrings sold by TOAT (rip-offs of Chanel’s bee earrings). Interestingly, TOAT is now the owner of the domain menclub.hk, and it seems Tom’s employees are listed as employees at TOAT. Yet there’s zero evidence of TOAT being registered as a valid
tax-paying company in HK or in Canada. TOAT is now dead: Taylor’s reasons for this include “you guys wanted more sizes” (other than ‘one size’), “you guys want to know where things are made,” and “COVID caused many packages to get sent back.” Oh, and she abandoned TOAT to become a TikTok star.
Taylor still manages to be relatable after “giving up” modeling by purchasing two condos with Tom’s money (one in downtown Toronto, one custom-built in Hong Kong) and flying back and forth between them. Her new full-time jobs include getting her face thoroughly frozen with botox/fillers, getting free staycations from luxury hotels, going to expensive restaurants, traveling in first class & by helicopter for no reason, and getting pregnant by Tom. Thanks to the miracle of modern science, she finally accomplished this hard and tasking goal.
She got IVF during a pandemic despite barely trying to conceive naturally, and after an embryo stayed in her for 2 weeks before jumping ship, she and Tom decided to “take a break” from IVF for a year. After begging people not to ask if she’s pregnant or tell her she looks pregnant, she started a fake-out “infertility series” in September 2021. After telling people it wasn’t a pregnancy announcement and using her friend’s stillbirth to wring more sympathy out of her followers, she announced that modern science had in fact located water on Mars – wait, no – an embryo stranded in her uterus. So the series was all a ploy for clicks after all, no surprise there. We were treated to many handmaiden-esque shots of Taylor injecting herself and crying over her “inability to make Tom a father.” Meanwhile, savvy anons pointed out that the result of her IVF cycles revealed Tom’s sperm are fucked up and can barely fertilize eggs even when trapped in a petri dish with a bunch of them. Taylor yelled at a cowtipper who accused Tom, who is “in his low 40s” kek) of contributing to their inability to get pregnant.
Taylor R's infertility documentary series ended in March with her inspiring and not like any other mommy vlogger's, birth vlog.
Now she's busy milking her Chinese confinement, while actively advocating for it and demanding respect for a culture she totally doesn't exploit for clicks. The other exciting content she likes to post revolves around her breastfeeding struggles and breast pumping, the biggest contribution she makes for her newborn son, who seems to spend most of his time in the arms of a confinement nurse.
Beware the white knights and stans in Taylor’s thread. Focus on the milk and ignore the filler, farmers.
Taylor’s Links: https://www.facebook.com/Taylor.R.Officialhttps://www.instagram.com/taytay_xx/https://www.youtube.com/user/TaylorR1488https://www.tiktok.com/@tay_richardhttps://twitter.com/iamtay_tayhttps://toat.com https://www.instagram.com/toat.co
Tom Lip's controversial site for men: https://www.menclub.hk/
Old links (no longer updated):http://lovetaylor.com/http://www.weibo.com/taylorrichardhttp://lineblog.me/taylor/https://ameblo.jp/iamtaytay/ http://taytay.zipper.jp/ http://www.cchan.tv/clipper/taylor
I think people are keen to leave the last thread which has a shit OP, I agree with them.
And the new updates are at the end of the summary.
>She got IVF during a pandemic despite barely trying to conceive naturally, and after an embryo stayed in her for 2 weeks before jumping ship, she and Tom decided to “take a break” from IVF for a year. After begging people not to ask if she’s pregnant or tell her she looks pregnant, she started a fake-out “infertility series” in September 2021. After telling people it wasn’t a pregnancy announcement and using her friend’s stillbirth to wring more sympathy out of her followers, she announced that modern science had in fact located water on Mars – wait, no – an embryo stranded in her uterus. So the series was all a ploy for clicks after all, no surprise there. We were treated to many handmaiden-esque shots of Taylor injecting herself and crying over her “inability to make Tom a father.” Meanwhile, savvy anons pointed out that the result of her IVF cycles revealed Tom’s sperm are fucked up and can barely fertilize eggs even when trapped in a petri dish with a bunch of them. Taylor yelled at a cowtipper who accused Tom, who is “in his low 40s” kek) of contributing to their inability to get pregnant.
>Taylor R's infertility documentary series ended in March with her inspiring and not like any other mommy vlogger's, birth vlog.
Now she's busy milking her Chinese confinement, while actively advocating for it and demanding respect for a culture she totally doesn't exploit for clicks. The other exciting content she likes to post revolves around her breastfeeding struggles and breast pumping, the biggest contribution she makes for her newborn son, who seems to spend most of his time in the arms of a confinement nurse.
which part of all this is milk exactly? i'm confused
Is that you, Nicole-chan? Got bored of backseat modding the Nicole thread so you moved here?
Unfortunately we lack the ability to personally survey Tom's sperm under a microscope, so you can screech for proof
like proof-chan in Nicole's thread all you want, but it is
a gossip site and all we can judge from is what is publicly posted online. We aren't private detectives. The point of these sites is to allow comment without having a cow's army sent to your profile. For example in both the Pixielocks threads and the Kelly Eden thread there have been documented times when the cow took a disliking to someone's comment and got that user nuked from the internet.
Kelly got her flying monkeys to spam hate on some girl's tiny account and she was either deleted or deleted herself, Pixie got a TikTokers account deleted for disagreeing with her about DID shit.
That's why sites like these exist. Take your whining to /meta but you miss the point of cow threads if you think every comment needs evidence attached to it. We are allowed to have fucking thoughts about influencers with millions of followers without morons like you screeching for proof
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I know, anon, these WKs are ridiculous. Here's the proof, anyway. We discussed this without any frothing whiteknighting back in September and October.
29 eggs harvested from Taylor's kawaii ovaries
14 in the "natural" IVF group
15 in the ICSI group (ICSI shows no additional benefit for female-factor infertility, it's only helpful for male-factor infertility: https://www.hfea.gov.uk/treatments/explore-all-treatments/intracytoplasmic-sperm-injection-icsi/
Of the 14 eggs in the natural IVF group, only 2 were fertilized successfully. This ratio is abnormally low.
Of the 15 ICSI eggs, only 11 were suitable for the process. 9 out of 11 were fertilized successfully.
The embryo she lost was from the natural IVF group, and the dr literally said it must have been a chromosome abnormality or something wasn't right, because her hormones and uterus were all fine.
Is that enough "proof" WK?
(posting WK-chan's reasoning before they arrive)
That's all speculation! Show me their medical documents that state that Tom's the reason behind their infertility. Otherwise, you're just assuming things. This place is for discussing hard facts only! For example, Taylor's kid's cuteness and beauty, and the benefits of Chinese confinement!
Imagine being retarded enough to try to WK while contradicting to the cow one's trying to WK for.
You're reaching for too much, WK-chan, chill. The only one cares enough to nitpick it again is you.
>>210081>If it wasn't for the insane people who write fanfiction about Taylor abusing her baby and beating the help
Please post links to the posts alleging this. You are extremely triggered
by the very existence of this thread. Why is that?
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>>210009>generally whatever a cow does is milk
…No? Literally no? That's not how good milk has ever been defined here. Are you new here lol
The fucking anons who think this site works as a free-for-all like kiwi need massive therapy. This site requires proof and off the rails tinfoiling to create false milk 'bc the core would do that' isn't fucking milk and not based in reality to a situation.
Just bc anons want to say the treatment didn't start in 2018 doesn't change the fact it did. Im tired of all these threads in/w/ being detailed by fucking autistic anons who think correcting with facts is the same as being a whiteknight. Can they go back to kiwi and their discord gossip guru bs?
Before she said 3, girl can’t count or she just wants to make it more dramatic. She herself gave the timeline, saying they started trying with beginning of 2019 and that moved onto IVF after few natural tries. She also confirmed one year break in fertility treatments after failed attempt in 2020. It’s in her videos.
I don’t know what you try to achieve here.
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anon just can't allow any negative thing to be said about Taylor, probably in their propaganda contract(what did I just tell you)
It's getting like the Nicole thread>sperg: post proof! We need to see the semen!>Anon: posts proof from the cow>Sperg: this is retarded nitpicking!! slams the report button
What's most amusing is the whiteknighting took a big tick upward after the birth, to coincide with Taylor having fuck all to do other than milking herself since her nanny seems fantastic. We'll probably see less of it now she will revert to a cheaper nanny.
/w/ has a specific sperg that has a meltdown if you critique any aspect of a cow. The /w/ sperg is most often seen in the Nicole thread, but my suspicion was that they were originally the sperg in the Erin Painter thread. Once they shit up that thread beyond recognition, they moved on to the Belle Delphine thread, where they demanded their queen Belle was not a whore. Their next appearance was the Nicole thread, which they similarly sperged about any criticism the cow received. I've seen almost exact comments from the poster in a bunch of different threads and now they're here kek
It's also funny to think about how the only threads they make appearances in are of girls who are at least slightly above average (besides Erin Painter)
Probably a scrote or a woman who feels inferior and makes up for it by wking for women who don't know she exists.
And even after old admin leaves new admin continues to enable these wking spergs with their shitty biased farmhands. They don't even try to hide it with their catty redtexts.
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Let's agree to ignore WKs, dear anons. If you see a bullshitter posting over and over, stop responding. That should make them leave.
On a brighter note, Carol is leaving today, prepare your popcorn.
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So, Carol has helped her during all this time with the baby, took care of her and the baby, and what does Taylor do in return? She "cooks" some cold food for her even though she knows Carol is not a fan of cold food and believes cold food has some negative connotations. Seriously, we know Taylor can cook, is that the best she could think of? I feel it is a bit disrespectful towards Carol.
Yeah, it left a bad taste in my mouth, too. She could've made one of her oven roasts or soups or whatever, but, no. She had to make a salad and a cold drink. It almost feels like she's taking her "revenge" from Carol for making her only eat warm/hot food for a month.
P. S. Ew-San was changing diapers in the stories. I guess he can help when he wants to, after all.
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Are you really nitpicking the speed at which Tom was changing the baby's diaper? You don't need to change a baby as if it were a Formula 1 race. This really isn't proof he hasn't done it overnight either. I don't get where that conclusion makes sense lol
You make it sound like she's keeping her hostage like a puppet.
I highly doubt the help would agree to be video recorded if she didn't want to. She has her own IG as well so I'm sure she doesn't mind the 10 Taylor followers she will get from it.
And how can you just assume that Taylor treats her like shit and isn't thankful?
We literally only see like a 1% snippet of her entire life with her.
I didn't see that in OP's comment, though. Of course Taylor is thankful, Carol has been a great help to her and she'll have to look far and wide to find a substitute.
It seems like the purpose of the video and the cold meal was not as much aimed at thanking Carol, as to create "entertaining" content. If I was given food I'm not a fan of as a thank you I wouldn't feel appreciated, quite the contrary. Anyway, I'm sure we'll get a longer clip in a future vlog, mark my words, she'll milk this as much as she can.
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we can all agree that taylor (or taylor’s team?) runs Carrol’s instagram account, right? what do you think will happen now that she’s out of the house?
It's a well-known cultural thing.
Do you need a special story on every type of food that she refuses to eat cold because you seem to have difficulties extrapolating based on the fact that we've only seen her refuse cold apples?
How many examples do you need from each food group?
At this point I read this thread for the cow anons, and the wild reaches. Taylor will have her milk in time, but the anons grasping at anything is hilarious. COLD FOOD, IVF BABY DATE, THE WHITE NOSIE, SLOW DIAPER CHANGE, THE HELP IS CONFINED IN A BASEMENT HELD HOSTAGE MADE TO EAT COLD APPLES. Everyday it’s some reach. But when it gets called out anons blog like “All my friends have babies and I’m a new mother” “My sister just had a baby and she said” Yeah sure Jan.
They are PULL leftovers who miss it way too much.
Why would Taylor or her team be in control of her IG? What is this reach right here?
Carol most likely just saw this as a good starting point to launch her own IG and grab some easy follows
Ignore the WK troll, anons. Ignore the troll.>>210533
I don't think she'll keep it up anyway, but time will show, I guess.
Just FYI, because I think that anons confuse that here. The hot and cold in traditional chinese medicine is not referring so much to the actual temperature, but to the characteristics of the food itself. E.g., ginger is considering very hot, even if eaten cold. Peppermint tea has cooling properties, although it can be served hot. It is more about how the food affects the body and ying/yang, etc, and so on.
Just google a bit for tcm hot cold food or similar.
1. that's not how SEO works
2. you can just pay google to remove results
3. I don't give a single fuck I am just making fun of you
I fucking knew it. Work for Taylor you end up dead.
All jokes aside, if anons were patient Taylor will bring milk in time. But everyone and there mom wants to make not even nitpicks, but crazy reaches with no base. Reaches if based on anything it’s a fairy tail or some myth. It make you all look like a fucking joke. Then calling people wk, for pointing out how actually retarded you are.
Ooo the dangerous salad, diaper changes so slow it’s child abuse. Fuck he probs hasn’t seen his kid in weeks. Actually Taylor spends only 1 hour and 36 mins with her son daily- I got all that info from her socials. ABUSE! Oh don’t even get me started on Taylor trying to destroy her babies hearing so she can make YouTube videos about her disabled son. Make for better click bait videos of course.
Crying wolf this much makes everything you say invalid. Makes this thread a joke, when there is real milk and she does something shitty or questionable call that shit out, be thankful for the milk. Learn to be okay when the milk is dry and not loose your minds.
On a real note you do you, cry wolf or whatever. Fuck mini mods. I’m just here for the show, but wanted to point out somethings I noticed.
I do think there is 1-2 REAL wk in this thread, but haven’t seen them in like a week if I remember correctly. I feel like a lot of the “wk” that clearly arnt, are anons from other threads making fun of this one. I do also notice 3-4 PULL retards grasping at ANYTHING. People wouldn’t make jokes about your reaches if they were just so dumb.
Anyways don’t worry retards, I am also slightly retarded for even makin this post. I’m not spell checking it either. Just hoping this would help you think.
Literally, that wks insane extrapolations went that far >Anon: I observed Carol doesn't like cold food and Taytay gave her cold food knowing that>wk: omg you're saying Taylor killed Carol??/!!1
The state of her fans (or friends, considering the jvloggers thread is 90% jvloggers posting about each other)
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oh my GOD!! I did NOT think her tits would SAG and GROW like this immediately after labor? whaat the fuck? Looks like a whole ass shadman illustration with those giant nipples? inhumane
Are you actually retarded?
She’s clearly pumping milk under there.
another tactic used by Taylor's shills is to write ridiculous "parody" posts, pretending to be normal farmers. Only they think their low-IQ posts are funny. The Shadman fetish reference is meant to evoke the anons who wondered why Taylor constantly showed her belly and now her pumping apparatus, because some felt this was weird/fetishy. Our WK and shills can't tolerate any criticism of Holy Mother of Lip, nor is any opinion valid
except for their own.
Just in case anyone misunderstood the post.
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you're insane and your words representing the average farmer is doing "them" dirtier than the anons who see shadman shit when its obviously just an absolutely normal thing to film your giant hanging udders like this(saggy tit sperg)
How is Levi a Jewish-exclusive name???
It's Judeo-Christian and is found all over the Bible. Is he not the son of Jacob and Leah? That is in the Old Testament. Did he not found the Levites? Is he not the grandfather of Aaron and Moses?
Taylor is a white girl from Canada. That she is at least somewhat familiar with Christianity is not unreasonable. I would say it's hugely likely given how many of them are Catholic and, if not Catholic, Protestant.
You guys will really nitpick anything. Even when it makes no sense at all.
Anyways, sorry for the blog. I'm saging it.(didn’t sage)
I was interpreting what the anon posted, if you can read. >>211027
The bigger issue is that Cantonese has no 'v' sound so this is a difficult name to use in HK.>>211044
Please link me to any other time an anon wrote "holy mother."
you're still out here denying it HUH? muuuhhh>>211046
so that's why they call virgins schoolgirls in menskkklub
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She looks like her old self here. Is it me or she has toned down on the fillers/botox?
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My guess is they heard or read the name somewhere, googled the meaning, saw that it was "joined together" and whatever she blabbered on about in the first few minutes of her video, decided it fits and then the attack on titan shit started popping up. She probably thought it would be quirky to include it in her video because she used to be this kAwaIi mOdeRu in japan and had lots of weebish fans. Not sure how many of them stayed after her moving to HK tho.
Anyways, the weebs crying in this thread about her ruining their precios AoT character need to touch some grass. She doesn't even pronounce it the same as in the anime.
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Levi is a biblical name, she explained the biblical meaning and it's also the name of a fucking multi million dollar jeans company. Both things that are 1000x more known to the average person than some dumb fucking anime. And yet nobody is saying "OMG she named her baby after a pair of jeans!" because you are all fucking weeb NEETs who don't go outside and have lost touch with the real world. Thankfully none of you will breed and give your children retarded anime character names since that seems to be at the forefront of your brains. The lolcows really are coming from inside the thread nowadays.
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she spent a lot more time telling us who Levi the anime character is, she didn't say jack shit about the bible figure or jeans
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big strong rugged alpha moid, chinese warrior rawr titan soldier
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This look is priceless. Oh god, I've been laughing non stop.
Chill, guys. She would've come up with lengthy essays about the "deep" meaning behind the naming process, regardless of the name choose in the end.
E.g. We named him Brad, after Brad Pitt, so he grows up manly, tall and handsome. It actually means "broad, wide", so it symbolises the broad array of cultures in our family, coming from different parts of the world.
Or. We named him Leo, after Leonardo DiCaprio. Leo means "lion" and he was born in the year of tiger and lions are the closest thing. Plus lions are strong and brave. Etc, etc.
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You made me think of the narcissistic rambling "about" page for TOAT. This is how you know Taylor never really learned how to write. Somehow she missed the irony of selling One Size sweatshop clothing while waxing idiotically about how wonderful it is when clothes fit "to a T." https://toat.com/pages/about
picrel is just a small part of a cringe essay about the name. I kind of wanted something like this for Levi, sad we just got it orally. Taylor's obsession with naming gives me big Elizabeth Holmes vibes.
How do you “pretend” to be a weeb? Your gate keeping anime yourself then getting mad about gate keeping? Imo anime is retarded.
Just make it make sense
She pandered to weebs, I guess, by pretending to be into some aspects of the culture.
Also, liking anime makes people weebs? Let's just find a dumb term for every cultural thing from every country to make fun of people who like it
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Reposting from last thread bc anon posted this nightmare fuel of Tom? If it's actually him? My gosh I didn't think he could get worse looking without the glasses but here we are. Taylor certainly made a… Choice.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
I would literally rather die poor and alone than have a child with this
Why do women do this to themselves what a peculiar life path
um… You said "how do you pretend to be a weeb", if you are the post I replied to.
And I explained what people meant. Namely, that she pandered to weebs.
You have the reading comprehension of a badly trained goldfish cracker
ew, it's worse without glasses and from the side!
She "fell in love with his intelligence" she said. I loled so hard. Sure he might be but how would she know when he talks the way he does?
kek, she fell in love with his bags of cash and he wasted no time getting her promoted on his sites.
I saved this post because I thought this nonna really hit the nail on the head about their "conversations" - she was probably just sending him her shopped dolly photos and he was gushing:>holy fuck, I can't imagine having all this concern for the wife of a dude who expressed from day 1 that he like kawaii childish women. A guy who dates his employees. Taylor said she spent hours talking to him everyday. Given his abysmal command of English, how much do you want to bet that she sent him kawiwi selfies and he said "whoa babe like princess" over and over?>>>/w/190578
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This thread stinky of filthy unwashed weebs.
You know what the w
in /w stands for right, anon? Why are you surprised to find weebs in a subforum specifically made for weeb cows?
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Ask and you shall receive. Can we put the name debacle to side now? She listed all the (equally lame) reasons behind it. The woodSy feeling had me rolling on the floor, ngl.
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What is the red string around Taylor's wrist? She's been wearing it constantly along with her expensive designer jewelry. I can't be arsed to see how far back it appears but I've noticed it in tons of IG stories since she gave birth.
sage bc it's a question
She also believes the super-healing powers of Chinese medicine, goop, feng shui, fortune-telling and every other thing not based in science or logic. She's just that kind of person, there's a lot of them around you, if you pay attention.
Btw, I'm surprised she didn't mention the fortune-teller who said she'll have her first child in the year of tiger.
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There it is again. The definition of "hard work" of a woman who never had to work hard in her life and has no clue what it really means.
She's talking about pumping milk though.
At least now whe know why she keeps showing her breasts and pump into the camera at every chance: She thinks it's "hard work" and wants aknowledgment for it.
(I am not saying it's a piece of cake. But it's hardly the definition of "hard work" for normal working people. Tell that to a nurse, or a cosntruction worker or just an university student who has to work late shifts at a restaurant to pay for his education.)
Does she not
get enough validation from Tom?? I mean, he only married ber bc she was copying the "living doll" Trent and by now she's married him and had a baby with him bit still seems so… terminally insecure and alone? Like her only friends are image based. Not that I feel bad for her or anything, I'd love
to be in her position and lay around all day pretending to have real problems.
From what I saw from her last videos, I believe it is from a jewelry brand called Messika.
It’s a cord bracelet with a jewel on it.
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everything about him is repulsive
her desperate need for attention and vapid praise is repulsive too
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Motherhood: pity me for having the baby I allegedly wanted
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Did Taylor mention she is pumping and breastfeeding? Because someone is drinking from her nipples. Did she mention that today?
First of all, who the fuck asked? Really…
Second of, I did not need to know that she uses her breastmilk as antirash cream for the baby.
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Sometimes I wonder if she is aware of these threads or just that dense to post something like this obliviously. Nice Tom the Wardhog quib.
the sweet sweet sponsorship money asked. I'm pretty sure no subscriber ever wondered what Levi's skincare routine is.
Also, it's a common home remedy to put breastmilk on rashes. Are you just grossed out by the most natural things in the world?
You should maybe so following her. Just existing apparently triggers
you. She's doing normal mom shit. Maybe you need to not follow new moms or mommy vloggers.
I suppose many of her followers did and many will unfollow her, because this is not what many followed her for in the first place. On the other hand, she might gain new followers after transitioning to mom/family vlogging.
One way or another there's little to no milk to be discussed in the first place.
Or maybe some people just aren't interested in mommy stuff?
Nothing to do with being grossed out, just not everyone is interested in children or having them and that's perfectly okay.
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has literally all the time and money in the world, plus her new baby, and still puts her clown makeup on to bitch about not being able to do skits for validation from twenty years olds on insta all day anymore(unsaged nitpick)
>>216109>by your logic
It's an actual phenomenom dipshit.
You don't think that some families just didn't report their first few female children before getting a boy to register? The chained up chinese women sold to all those lonely village farmers came from somewhere, no?
Read.>>she could've gotten basically any Asian dude she wanted.
If she could, she wouldn't be with Tom.
You know what is a phenomenom, "dipshit"?
Countries where women are valued less than men having a much higher abortion rate for female fetuses, thus causing an imbalance between male and female population.
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Honestly looking forward to these new vlogs and lifestyle she's gonna have with the baby. Its a different video type when its with babies. I dint want kids personally so watching Taylor over the years and now this is going to be a refreshing change.
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Not much of actual milk with her lately, but the kid can lift his head a bit which is good. She's just doing her mommy stuff. No new vlog yet though either. I wonder if these might be monthly uploads now since she's been busy with tiktoks.
>>217025>poop isn't gross to parents and it tells a lot of health info about baby and–>LOL POO CHAIR
Disingenuous reach and I don't think you're dumb enough deep down to believe that in contexts like these.>>217080
What are you saying?
sounds like i struck a nerve lol i'm not even asian chillax.
it's true most asian men think white women are too intimidating(both physically and personality wise, white women are too confident and assertive and physically more masculine too), you can watch countless interviews with japanese men(for example this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pthnFIbdIE0&ab_channel=NobitafromJapan
) most of them want to date japanese women or just east asian women in general.
there will always be thirsty men who lust after anything. there are men with bbw fetishes out there but most asian men don't prefer white women over asian women just get over it yellow fever femcel!!>>217641
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yellow fever white girls seethe
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isn’t it a thing that Asian women don’t wear deodorant though kek
I saw this in a different youtube video sometime, Japanese think white people (particularly Americans referenced in the video, maybe because they are the most common tourist) are sweaty, hairy and smelly, so funny. Also I have read elsewhere that East Asian men consider white women to be whores, generally speaking, like white women are featured heavily in mainstream US porn which is easily available, so they sorta think that's how we are irl (t. white woman)
However there is status in marrying a pretty model of any race, Taylor's appeal (and other trophy wives) is in the status of the woman and her specific beauty, rather than their race.
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Not to sperg too much about ethnicity, but Asian men are literally the only men who do not rate Asian women as most attractive on dating platforms. The beauty standard in every Asian country is to look as white as possible. Light hair, light skin, big eyes, petite nose, long legs. All things that Taylor has. She is a model in Asia because she fits their beauty standard and has the most desired traits there. How can you seriously cope about the fact that Asian men aren't into white women when that is literally the beauty standard??
anon they just want white skin and taller nose. they don't want to be white they have always had those things as a beauty standard even in ancient china.
being pale was always popular and asian beauty standards are the opposite of what westerners deem beautiful. they do not like harsh facial features and facial hair and want the girl to look innocent and soft. they like baby faces which most white women do not have(i'm not saying this is the case for all of them obviously all women of all races can have a baby face but it's usually more common in east asia)
and east asians are pretty collectivist and stick together, they do not like foreigners cause of cultural difference too and most families want you to marry someone of your nationality!
also asian men are on the feminine and short side and that's why they like latinas and asians cause they're still more feminine than them. makes sense to me(race sperging)
i would disagree.
asian women are considered more attractive by men because of their feminine features and petite bodies. most men are attracted to youthful features and asian women are the most youthful looking race
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Please anon, white people are not considered the beauty standard across the world, mighty kek. You must be trolling or you genuinely have no knowledge in this area. Don't confuse colorism and unrealistic beauty standards, where non-white countries often have a standard of paler
skin as beautiful, as actually preferring white
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I know some mother’s lose filter on what should and shouldn’t be on social media, Taylor seems she never had one in the first place, but after telling us a story of her child’s massive crap, now not only she served us with another story how her dog crapped her bed and she slept on it, she even put her child next to it and took a picture.
Poop is normal, pooping is normal, posting about it on SM isn’t. Especially when it involves a child. Half a million random users on IG are not your family Taylor.
I swear this poop is bigger than her brain.
I could forgive the story about the diaper (grudgingly) but this is nasty. I'll wait for WK anon to come in here and explain "its relateable mommy vlogger shit" "just say you don't like dog feces and move on" "go touch grass"
Maybe Rosie should go touch grass.
what the fuck?! talking
about your kid's poop is normal (with the appropriate people), showing it is going a bit far (unless it's actually odd and you want to show your pediatrician) but putting your kid next to your dog's shit and posting it??? what's wrong with people?
Because Taylor only has 3 functioning brain cells, after lying in dog poop, inches away from a baby, she thinks “this would make a great Instagram post and people will think I’m sooooooooooo relatable!”. She then proceeds to pull out a camera and leave baby next to poop just for clicks. Any other normal person would take baby away from dirty gross things and start cleaning up the mess.
I have taken care of many small dogs for friends and it’s just what they do if they are not very smart. They poop and pee everywhere.
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Either her sheets were already stained or the poop went really close to the baby.
I love dogs and was kind of nervous when she picked rosie up and brought her so close to the newborn. Like I think there's a better, more careful way to do that.
If your dog is truly revenge pooping in bed, then there are going to be serious issues when the child is more mobile.
Anon, shut up. No one needs consent
to be around a fucking animal like a domesticated one. Especially within the family home. You also can't prove the dog was trying to even do that on
the baby, let alone probably before Taylor even got in bed, didn't noticed, and then went to sleep with the baby. You sound stupid throwing around consent
as if this is some sexual issue.
You sound offended anon Just because you love dogs you have to know not everyone does. everyone like something or not and the problem with many dog owners they expect to shove it to everyone’s face. Some people have dog phobia and many literally take their mutts everywhere here in the west. Somehow a domesticated animal that harm people more than any other animal. Check statistics the most harmful animals are mosquitoes, snakes and dogs let’s not about diseases and yea many were family dogs well trained and never did anything wrong before but instinct can wake up anytime. I don’t expect a poodle can do harm but imagine big breeds. Many parents left home came back and found a tragedy. Check many cctv people walking minding their business and a dog unleashed or pack of dogs attack their victims
. It’s not always the owner fault like many try to blame because of the worship of dogs. Studies found the more we treat dogs nicely the more they see us weak and vulnerable. Attacks have increased recent years. You can’t deny facts and statistics they try to hide. I used to love dogs also by the way and let’s say now i turned to cats but if someone is uncomfortable around them or don’t want to be near it they have every right and no need to be offended just because i think they are domesticated animals. Dogs are filthy animals and yea exposing them without someone’s consent mostly a baby is abuse and same goes to anything else. In America it’s so normalized and just because something is normal now doesn’t mean it’s always the right thing.(dog-induced autism)
lol, baby will be ok. that dog has barely any teeth left.
She's not the smartest animal and the puppy mill she came from didn't breed her for intelligence. neither did Taylor raise her well
So she has to wait 18 years and get the kid's consent in written form? tripple copy?
No I get what you mean. There's obviously a way to introduce your baby to your animals in a more dignified manner. But it's Taylor. Dignified?>>217873
is not just a sexual thing. Posting kids on social media when you don't have a private account and the whole world can see your baby/kid is an issue of consent.
It’s clear that you have no clue about what you are talking about. People think cats are cleaner, but they are absolutely not. They will also piss and shit for revenge. People seem to think cats are clean animals, if that’s true then why are pregnant women not allowed to clean a litter box? Also there is the hair balls which are super disgusting and gross. I have had both cats and dogs. I would say dogs are cleaner if they are trained well. Also, you can’t really train or bathe a cat. They lick themselves, which is not the same as bathing or cleaning.
Some small dogs are so stupid they would never survive without a human to take care of them. I remember Taylor posting about Rosie peeing and pooping on the floor years ago. It’s obvious Taylor spoils that disgusting glorified rat. She’s brainless herself so how can she manage a brainless inbred lap dog?
I used to love dogs too but I have been bitten too many times by badly trained dogs. I blame their idiot owners every time. Cats are a whole other set of issues.
Stop your dumb, barely coherent sperging. No1currs.
Also, women shouldn't clean litterboxes of cats that go outside because of toxoplasmosis.
And where the fuck do you live that you've gotten bitten REPEATEDLY?? What the fuck, dude?
What's wrong with you. Not a single person cares about your blog.
You're the idiot who wrote that Rosie drank Taylor's breast milk, aren't you.
Topics that always set off the userbase of lolcow
1. tall girls vs short girls, who has it better
2. Cats and dogs (there are threads on /ot for this exact purpose)
Best to just stop interacting with this topic because rating cats vs dogs is not even on topic anymore, Taylor doesn't have a cat and her tiny pup is harmless except for the shitting in the bed kek
Not the same person, not sure how you came to that conclusion.
People let their dogs run loose here. Often, it’s the big dogs that are better. The small ones like poodles and chihuahuas bite more. I don’t have a preference of cats to dogs. Animals are just dirty, period. They lick their genitals and buttholes. It’s not a good idea to let animals that close to a small baby with a underdeveloped immune system.
grammar is not spelling.
your English was not ungrammatical as much as it sounded like an alien trying to pretend its American
so do certain humans
So many things you still have to learn about the world
Hey, at least "dog shit" is very much on topic.
Taylor produces so little milk (metaphorical, she wants us to know she's working hard on the actual milk), people have to entertain themselves somehow.
I'm laughing so hard.
You have the reading comprehension of a gerbil.
I made a joke about some (hopefully) adults also licking genitals and buttholes. Assuming you're too young to get the joke, your reading comprehension makes sense. And possibly also your fear of the dirty, dirty animals!
Also, what the hell are pet pronouns? Take your meds, for the love of god.
Sorry for derailing. Anon needs help.
>>218217> It’s not a good idea to let animals that close to a small baby with a underdeveloped immune system
That's your misguided idea of pets and babies vs. Scientific consensus:
Actually children who grow up with pets have less allergies than children without, because pets are good for their underdeveloped immune system - It helps them train and develope an immune system.https://www.newscientist.com/article/2188610-the-more-pets-you-meet-as-a-baby-the-lower-your-risk-of-allergies/
I don't particularly like Taylor's dog, it looks demented and I'm against these idiotic breeds and their puppy mill origins, but babies and dogs can co-exist without any major problems.
Anon is a weirdo who claims to have been bitten by multiple dogs and has weird notions about them being dirty.
I wonder if they know that the bacteria in humans' mouths are more varied and worse than those in dogs' mouths and that dogs' saliva is actually highly unproblematic and antiseptic.
There are many jobs here where people get routinely bitten by dogs: Bylaw Enforcement, Letter Carriers, Couriers, the people who go house to house checking gas and electricity meters, groomers, Park Rangers, etc etc etc…You just called all these people weirdos.
Anon also defended a dog shitting in the bed next to a newborn because the sCIeNcE shows those babies have a stronger immune system.
Animals are dirty. Kids are germ factories. Kids get sick all the time. You don’t have to be OCD or autistic to know this. But go on, y’all know everything.
>>218874>Animals are dirty. Kids are germ factories.
Wait, so now you're saying she's endangering the dog by putting that germ factory next to him?
(for the record: this is a joke. you seem to struggle with the concept. Kids mostly start getting sick more when they are in daycare and such due to more exposure to transmittable diseases.)
Get help, nonnie
. I am sorry that you are a mail carrier who encounters too many dogs who have a grudge against you. Your life must suck. But we do appreciate your service!
You make a lot of assumptions. My life is pretty great, thanks for checking in.
Internet bullies who constantly attack others have lives that suck. I hope you feel better about yourself one day.
How were you bullied? By people pointing out that you have a weird issue about dogs?
And now you're calling out "big pet ownership" like it's the cosmetics industry? Calm down. You're not bullied. People are calling out your BS.
People who miss PULL, just create like a subreddit or something
As much as the nanny caused some debate, Taylor is not the kind of person to thrive as the sole carer of a newborn (can't see Tom doing much since he never did much in general except his job) and they have the money for one, I honestly don't think mommy vlogging is her thing after seeing her attempts so far>awkward milking videos>look at this dog shit in my bed(!)>baby kicks me when I breastfeed
It's just uh awkward I guess? Like not #goals which her brand aims for. Someone posted in one of these older threads revealing that the persona Taylor adopts is basically a very desirable and specific type of lifestyle for some Hong Kong women to aspire to, which is a bit lost in translation to eurofags like myself and americans I bet, but she has always emulated a specific lifestyle which other people wish to have, I'm not sure anyone would aspire to be like this current brand of momvlogging.
Not milk but that baby looks like Tom. And all the brainless followers going "omg, he is gorgeous and looks so much like you!" to Taylor.https://www.instagram.com/p/CeubgGBvz2C/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Also, god, I hate when people call mothers mama
like it's some title. Kids can call their mom mama, stop calling each other that.
not to derail, but no, there is not one
allele for eye color. Eye color is actually very complicated.
And while everything you wrote is fairly correct, the framing is often the issue. When a brown eyed and dark haired British guy has a child with a blond and blue-eyed French-Canadian, nobody talks about the brown-haired "race" being dominant. So I take issue with that since what I meant is not that the baby looks Asian but that he specifically looks a whole lot like Tom and not like Taylor (as all her fangirls claim).
1) That is completely incorrect. What a silly thing to say. Like, you can tell that people are partially of Asian descent in many cases, but you can also clearly tell that they are also of other descent and, goddammit, genetically, it's still half of the genes from mommy and half from daddy.
I and a bunch of my friends are half East Asian and unless you are blind to small distinctions because all East Asians and even half East Asians look the same to you, you can clearly tell the influence of the white parent. I don't automatically get my dad's lips and nose and left pinky because he's Asian. Of course half-Asian and half-White kids also resemble their white parent.
You need some grade school education on genetics. You must have been taught creationism in school.
2) What the hell?! So you're actually a white supremacist and that's why your perception of genetics is batshit.
FFS, are you really that dumb or just hopelessly racist?
You do realize that there is no biological, genetic basis for "white" and non-white? What you see as race is a random collection of genes that were chosen as group-defining. There's no reason why the shape of your lids or the color of your eyes or skin should count for more than literally thousands of other traits.
I'm half Mongolian, and then part Russian & part French.
I look most like my French-Russian mom but also get placed as all kinds of ethnicities by people who meet me for the first time. >>221248
And yes, I guess I should have a word with my light haired blue-eyed mom for throwing away those precious genes. \s
Most people who are not sheltered like you are aware of the existence of children of mixed background, white-power-san.
There literally are towns in the Midwest that are populated by white people from just one single racial background, sometimes even down to a couple of waves of migration from geographically very restricted areas. So I do think you're spot on about this anon.>>221610
Since Taylor is from the Toronto area, where many East Asian Canadians live and she currently lives in Hong Kong, I'm pretty sure she won't be spending a lot of time explaining to people that mixed-background kids exist.
Do you realize that maybe, just maybe to Asian people these half white kids look “white” because being Asian and being white is all relative and we judge things from our perspective? Half Asian kids still somewhat resemble their Caucasian (or other race) parent and unless you’re face blind you should be able to tell that
White people, half Asian people and even (!) people from other races can all be beautiful white power-san.
Taylor is from a small town in Ontario. She bought an apartment in Toronto, but she never really lived there. Many of these small towns are predominantly white. Look at her family, do you see anyone besides Taylor marrying someone who isn’t Caucasian? Chances are someone in her large extended family is racist.
Her kid already looks a lot like Tom. The only thing I’d be worried about is Levi picking up any of his parents bad behaviours, especially Tom’s.
Literally, her best friend is married to a person who might not be what middle America (and possibly Canada) defines as white.
Also >Many of these small towns are predominantly white. Look at her family, do you see anyone besides Taylor marrying someone who isn’t Caucasian? Chances are someone in her large extended family is racist.
Your point being?? Why the hell should she care that her family is predominantly white? Or that some shitty distant cousin might be racist? Would you?!
Many people are the first ones in their family to marry someone from another background. Times change. Start thinking like a modern human, nonnie
There are parts of Europe where different denominations of Christians didn't marry among each other like even 50 years back. Would you say that a catholic marrying a protestant today would be a big shock?(enough racesperging)
Her grandparents are on record being ok with it and they're not gonna be around forever (some aren't anymore). Her parents are also clearly fine with Tom.
I'm sure the fact that he's a millionaire who'll provide for their daughter who doesn't have an education would also make more racist people be fine with the situation.
I sense that Taylor got a ton of favoritism while growing up as the "pretty model" sibling. She acts like everyone should continue to kiss the ground she walks on, especially in the vlogs with her family. It's hard to explain why, just she always shows up to eat, sleep, shop, and not help at all with whatever celebration is happening. She interacts with her sisters' kids in weird ways too, basically just buying them shit.
I think when she was larping as a teen, she really fucked up her psychology further. The sole decent thing about her having a $40k+ baby is that she now has something in her life that isn't dependent on her physical looks. Since she obsesses about her appearance and stupid trends/influencers constantly.
>>222614> I sense that Taylor got a ton of favoritism while growing up as the "pretty model" sibling.
Not really. I think it's just that she's the one who's there for a week, while the others live there and see each other every day.
> She interacts with her sisters' kids in weird ways too, basically just buying them shit.
That is what she does with everybody. Her friends, her family, kids.
sounds like you just hate her for her. That’s ok, no need to clutch your Sunday morning pearls over a aunt pulling the “chill aunt”. It’s not like she’s giving them weed and tell them not to tell their parents. If anything as a aunt you want to have a close relationship to your nephew or niece, it means they’ll feel more comfortable coming to you with issues if they’re unable to with their parents.
Wow, you can read a lot
into like 5 seconds of a youtube video.
That's why one would assume you just find anything to hate about her. You have no idea about her interactions with her nephews outside of these few seconds.
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so autistic, so anorexic
I hate this narrative of "my brain so foggy" with a passion as someone who had a kid in grad school and managed to somehow complete my work and be a mom.
but how is she autistic or anorexic in this?! I get it, there was a formula shortage, so you're trying to create some milk for everybody.
>>223389>had this idea of what postpartum was going to look like>wasn't this magical influencer bounce back
Well no shit Taylor? Did you ever talk to someone who actually gave birth? Look at their bodies? Or did you just watch 9 months of preggo-inspo uwu influencer content on youtube and talk to your uninformed husband who doesn't know shit about pregnancies? I can't believe she's that oblivious to anything.
>make boring 30 minute video >thinking staying inside without moving is healthy for you >insisting that baths and teas impact every little detail about your body>thinking that a 40cm long streak of dead hair is being influenced by a 30 day special diet
I fucking hate her latest video. 30 minutes of voodoo cooking and being a superstitious and oblivious numbskull. Does she work for the chinese ministry of dried supplements or who is that "medicine" spergfest for? This is probably the last Taylor video I will ever watch, it is just too boring and stupid for me.
I didn't mind getting a bit of a run-down of the rules and customs but she didn't do the greatest job of discussing it.
Especially since we know that she does lean a bit goopy sometimes.
I mean she can still use the "excuse" of baby brain fog or whatever. Although I'm not sure how she excused her scatter-brain before the baby kek
well, she's obsessed with her looks and body, and had (perhaps has still) an eating disorder. She lost her period for over a year in the past, and did a video crying about her weight when her bmi was underweight. So this is a veiled way to talk about her body obsession but make it appropriate for IG.
She had to have gotten botox during her pregnancy, because she at no point was able to move her eyebrows or eyes normally (it's why she looks so forced and crazy-eyed). Botox typically doesn't last longer than 6 months. The fact that she did that tells you a lot about how she is thinking. Her entire personality is looking "pretty." As soon as something gets difficult, she stops (TOAT, kickboxing, YT series she started and never finished). Sometimes I think she goes way overboard with TMI sharing precisely to hide what she keeps secret: her husband's job and how involved she was at the beginning, the fact that she knew his ex, all the cosmetic procedures (injectables) she gets regularly, what caused her massive balloon face that one year, how much they (don't) give to charity, all the free shit they use once & toss… I could go on. She keeps showing us herself "working hard" even right after the birth, as if she needs to be a working mom. It's sad, the first year is often when moms take maternity leave and there's no reason for her to pretend to be hard at work right now. It would be nice to see her take up an actual hobby or enriching activity aside from exercising and cooking for her lump of a husband.
You mistook this place for her youtube comment section, nonnie
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Nonnies the eyes are connected to the liver how did we not know! You better don’t cry!!
Don't know who you think you're responding yo or who I am but this is the first time I wrote anything remotely about this topic.
And yes, it is milk when all you do is post one video on Youtube once a month and you get hired help who's in your house 24/7 to help you out but you need to be still so hashtag relatable
that you complain about this.
Stop gatekeeping a friggin imageboard, sperg.
Did I post my kid? Did I write anything about any kids?
STFU, asshole. And learn to spell. You're not cool just because you've learned to emulate a stupid way of spelling "no one cares".
Get a life, loser.
Also, if you think that a comment on an anonymous imageboard from a lonely loser who probably hasn't been out of their room in two years hurts my feeeeeeelings
, you are pathetic.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
Actually, many cultures, including many midwives and postnatal care providers in the west recommend this as well. It's not always a long strip of fabric. It can be like one of those thorax corsets that you can wear for a mild back injury or those waist trainers, just not super tight. It helps hold everything together.
I agree that the before and after was silly, since we don't know how her belly would have receded on its own, without binding. But the binding is helpful. After birth, the organs have to sort of find back into their old place and the back might have difficulties as well, the tendons might still be looser than normal. So it's not a miracle cure but it can feel good.
I find Megan Moon an interesting contrast. So she didn't do Korean confinement or anything. But she did touch on cultural differences and how she and her husband navigate them/plan on navigating them. And hers seems like a better approach. She essentially said, she doesn't care much if the local culture e.g. likes a particular style of baby clothes more but she'd put her foot down when there is scientific evidence that something is better (regarding feeding schedule).
I would have appreciated some more scientific background or at least mild questioning of the practices in Taylor's video. Because without that grounding, it comes across as promoting goop crap.
I also found it interesting how Megan addressed her body issues. She came out and said that yeah, it's hard because she was a fitness model and now obviously doesn't look like that. And while part of me wants to be like "you wanted this!! shut up!" I do appreciate that she actually openly says that it can feel shit but it is what it is.
Still don't much care for her personality but this cultural differences stuff was handled better.
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Jesus, she's hellbent on this confinement thing. Who's gonna tell her it's not the groundbreaking content she thinks it is?
Except, she doesn't try to fit in most days. She behaves differently from local people and mostly uses English only.
She didn't do the confinement to "fit in". Who would blame her if she did a scientifically informed postpartum care month/6-week period (most common in Europe, I think)
Also, who's mad? People are laughing at stuff she does. Nobody's mad. Ok, a few weird people might be. but of the things that are shady about her/tom, this confinement crap is the least problematic
I am not baffled. Expectations and reality rarely match with motherhood. Especially, if you have no one close (e.g., sister, best friend) who already went through the experience and shared it with you and you only read about it. (And even the, you may think that you can do it better.) At least, that is my experience. You can read about a postpartum body, and intellectually, you know that it will take a while for a body to recover. But I honestly was surprised how long it can really take or how your body is never the same as before.
I doubt her oversharing has to do with watching social media. Rather YT being a money source, and maybe she doesn't have many to share her own experience with.
Lots of people fly with newborns, it literally happens all the time. It’s not really a thing where doctors don’t recommend it. Most planes are equipped to have small babes as passengers with bassinets and assistance warming up milk and formula. Levi is now past the newborn stage. It’s also not that hard for Taylor, Tom and baby to travel back to Canada because Covid rules have relaxed a lot by now. I don’t know what it would be like for Taylor to return back to HK however.
It would at least make half-decent content, as her YouTube channel is lately getting progressively more boring with each video.
Considering covid is still going on and is a huge cultural issue in China right now with the recent overbearing lockdowns, I think for Taylor to start travelling again now of all times would be really inappropriate as well as risky for the baby.
I'm sure once covid is less of an issue she'll see her family or vice versa.
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Oh, no, baby Levi has sleeping problems. /sarcasm
Who wants to bet he's fine, just not sleeping at hours she expects or wakes up at night like any other baby?
Yeah, anon clearly has issues with race and/or body image.>>224431
Megan was a fitness model before getting pregnant. And even before shredding, she was far from ever being chubby.
I'm wondering… Are you anons (or one anon) who keeps on calling HK China some sort of Chinese infiltrators trying to quietly steer us in the direction of believing Chinese propaganda?
This is the second or third post where someone calls HK "China".
Thinking of Taylor as someone in an "Ivory Tower" almost hurts.
But I think what >>224561
meant is that you might think that you understand what it means but then still be overwhelmed by it.
It can also happen the other way around. Some people are scared of the changes but then care less. than they thought they would.
I'm guessing that is not the case for Taylor.