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New Taylor R. Thread because person in the jvlogger thread is to stupid/lazy to make one themselves.
Elbow-san's name revealed. Taylor remains boring and not really worth a thread of her own. Recently took copy-cat pics of herself in Kardashian style. No one liked it. People with hate boners still whining about cheek fillers (which no one cares about)
That's all the "milk" from her recently.
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Moneybag-san is my new hero
That's the whole point of that character…
I do really like her new hair though.
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I reeaaallllyyy don't see a difference, or much of a difference in her hair … How was this a huge change ? huge risk ? She went even blonder then that in her HK dolly days..
She's like a 13 yr old from the 60s where showing belly button and mildly dying your hair was "edgy".
She doesn't eat plant-based, and yes, hormonal acne is a thing at any age.
Well, she is doing that because she wants to prioritize her health and show her viewers how to do it in a foreign country/ encourage them
I know. But you know, when she can't do as well in her home country where there are plenty better than her, she goes to a place where they put her on a pedestal(Asia).
Failed whites go to Asia to model lmao. I mean even Kooters is getting gigs and she's really not much to look at.
Actually I think it's genius. There's no way she'd get an insanely rich guy with her average looks in Canada but in Asia where they're thirsty and do have a lot of money…
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As a fan of Taylor's videos her content changed drastically since the Kim K viral blow up. It's become more buzzfeed/clickbait/American humor when I originally followed for chill casey-like vlogs. Casey's vlogs suck now so I really looked forward to hers and it's just disappointing.
in her recent video she mentioned that her bc(she's taking to counteract her acne) has been messing with her daily life so that could be a reason for it.
I think she, in her own mind, is putting more effort in to her videos with these special videos but I just miss her chill vlogs
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I don't see anyone mentioning this but what's up with her instagram profile pic? Considering her aesthetic, this is very weird and kinda gross.
It's the end of her dolly era, kinda savage how she's openly reading all the things her early fans liked about her
She pretty much admitted she killed her modelling career, I wonder if she hopes to keep up earning as this new comedy sketch persona or if she has something else in the pipeline?>>22594>>22593
Same anon, OT but are there any other youtubers with that chill Casey vibe?
I'm glad she realises and talks about how ridiculous, fabricated and toxic her doll phase was. What she doesn't seem to realise is that her sketch/comedy persona is just as much of a facade/character.
The "I'm intelligent" and "I've got things to teach you" bit made me laugh. While I can enjoy her vlogs for their relaxed, carefree vibe, intelligence isn't one of her assets. Remember when she tried to get philosophical after going to a Yayoi Kusuma exposition? It was like a balloon slowly deflating. Just empty air. Her "deep conversations" always come off as empty. She stays on the surface of things and can't seem to go deeper. She isn't a critical thinker either, she just gobbles up what she reads and see.
Granted, she isn't the dumbest around, but I would definitely not try to brand myself as intelligent if I was her.
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She needs to stop.. They look like shit.
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Nothing to do with Koots. Why would it.
It's not like either are competing with each other anymore.
He looks like an asian dad… and she looks like a 18yr old. >>22621
Fucking ugly indeed.
People know what he looks like, just not his name. He is also the owner of BE, not the CEO.
Man, I just never thought home girl had it in her, to fuck her way to the top and sleep with her boss.
She didn't get huge fame, but she found a sugar daddy ?? rich bf to pay her bills and filler replacements. Besides she does get a decent amount of attention ( 300k IG followers and 625k subs )
They're all about shitting on her, but rather not tarnish his name or job so they keep his name off their site. To an extent I get it, but I also highly doubt a tiny gossip site would even put a dent in his rep/career. >>22629
Money is all she wants so why wouldn't she date uggo ?
What materialistic bitch wouldn't fuck and date a 40yr old uggo for a 5k purse and yearly trips to paris. Girl is hella pampered, and probably hung onto her ugly dolly look in fear he'd ditch her for another girl. ( Though with his money he could prob find better ) >>22630
Probably his sisters/families kid. Taylor has made vloggs of visiting his family in which they had kids.
2012 was when she started wearing them. Maybe not for jobs but probably in her personal life and definitely on camera. But she had been doing Liz Lisa style since late 2010-2011ish I think.
This article is from 2012 and she's clearly wearing circles in it, albeit not giant ones.http://rocketnews24.com/2012/09/08/246971/
Sooo… She actually did the dolly thing before Kooters ? Or roughly the same time ?
I always thought she started long after Dakota started with it, since it was always insinuated that she copied Kota.
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I don't know. I certainly think in 2013, she went full throttle with the dolly look, but there was nothing really that different from what gyaru had been doing from 2008 onwards. Getting into Liz Lisa (which was available in HK) and brands like that, it's not that surprising I guess. I doubt she she was consciously thinking "dolly" at first, but naturally gravitated towards girly styles.
This was in a report from 2012 and here she definitely wearing Liz Lisa style. She's also wearing circles here.
She kinda reminds me of Kaka here with the resting bitch face and terrible makeup. She looks like she wants to cut a bitch.
Perhaps they both started liking the same fashion at the same time unaware of one another, but once Kota's popularity took off and went national .. maybe thats when Taylor decided to copy. Not in a malicious way like Kaka liked to imply though. Taylor's always seemed to be a sponge absorbing and copying whatever is trending at the time ( Kardashian's, Kota ect )
I kinda miss her old fashion even if childish looking. As of lately it just looks like she is wearing the same few tops and I swear to fucking go the same bloody jeans every day… Its just not very eye catching or flattering for someone with her body shape. ( flat all around )
Well It's a candid, basically a paparazzi shot. She really doesn't look anything like Kaka. Like I said, all Taylor had to do was look in a gyaru fashion magazine or even Vivi to find that look. Sorry but it really bugs that Koots gets credit for a look that was popular among gals when she was still doing shitty scene make-up. Not saying Tay is original (she's absolutely not) but Koots isn't either.
Yeah I'm not a fan of Tay's current look at all. I wish she was more creative. Personally I'd love to see her do a kind of modern mod look. It would be girly which suits her, but also grown up enough to be sophisticated. Or even Larme style might work for her.
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Damn, even though these images are heavily edited they look so so much more normal. That operation to change her jaw shape and all the fillers make her look so inhuman now.
She should stop before she looks like Michael Jackson.
Regardless there still was a point where it felt like there was some copying. I never said the style was Kota's, but Taylor sure af went hard on it once Kota's popularity peaked. Then there was the weird video styles she started cranking out with her stiff as a board on a bed with a high pitch voice wit pink bed sheets.
People didn't start assuming she was copying until she cut her hair(straight bangs),moved to Japan, made stiff videos in a small apartment, high pitch voice, After effects, went full out dolly. Everything Kota does..
Oh yes, the copying was really blatent and obvious: some of it was creepy as hell. Poses, hairstyles. She did a copy of Kota's banner pic (the one where Kota shooped off her ears). There was a period of time where she was trying to show that she was better than Dakota.
I even suspect she started her PULL thread (on the oldest version of PULl, she was in the "pretty girls" section). The initial post was about this amazing dolly girl who was just like Dakota but ~nice~.
Given elbow-san's industry, he may have encouraged her to copy Kota. He certainly knows about marketing young women to a waiting audience.
No, Tom wouldn't encourage her to copy Kota, and matter of fact encouraged her to make dance videos and leave the house unlike Kota. As a business man he's smart enough to know not to copy someone else's image and ideas down to a T.
Taylor being as uncreative and boring as she is just copies who ever is trending and most popular. Like her blatantly copying Kota, then Casey, Buzzfeed and many others. She's a leech that depends on others ideas, and gets away with it only because people think she's pretty. >>22643
The jaw comments make me think they're from PULL. Only place I've seen the mention of her having possible surgery like that, though, I do think she probably gets Botox.
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Not the anon your talking too, but she has used After Effects if you remember her video from when Rosie first arrived in Japan and how holy fucking wobbly her face was. PULL from my understanding speculates that she still occasionally uses it, probably when she feels her jaw looks to noticeable in videos. ( where its harder to control the angles.
Her face is significantly more meaty in person/candids. ( pic related )
She wasn't in the snowflake section of pull in 2013-2014. Everyone loved her then, no one even mentioned fillers or jaw crap. Really different vibe.
I don't think she started her thread, but the theory isn't completely crazy.
I was rather asking everyone, not a specific person. And I really cannot put my finger on it but something her face seems to have changed, maybe it is the makeup, maybe After Effects. But I really do not know how to tell the different indicators for editing, makeup or some beauty procedures apart.
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What do people think of Taylor's hideous Merch ?
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2012-2017 is 5ish years depending on when in 2012 she started doing it.\>>22653>she was the biggest fucking kota clone of all time
Really? Even compared to this chick?>>>/snow/65297
dif anon, but holy fuck yes it was creepy when KittyPhina ( Sarah ) popped up.
I'm actually shocked that Kaka didn't sperg about it, unless she knew Sarah wasn't a threat. Regardless, Sarah apologized and then changed her shoop style to something much nicer.
Could it be that they all just stole looks/styles/shoop/ideas from one another at some point ? and maybe leave it at that. They're all now starting to branch in their own directions.
This is some of the ugliest merch I have ever seen. I can't believe people are gonna buy this shit… and it is so overpriced.
Is this an inside from one of her sketch bits that are just too cringey for me to go through? Or is this just Taylor yet again copying memes like the "are these x or x" pictures (corgi's butt or loafs of bread)?
In her last vlog she seemed so excited and made such a big deal about her so called "clothing line". She is delusional. I always thought she was a bit childish but as of lately I feel like she's a 10 y/o. Her jokes, the way she talks (especially when she tries to get into those "deep conversations" yet can't leave the surface) and acts just comes off as incredibly childish. I guess that's what happens when you haven't come across any hardship, not even a low level job, in your life.
dunno why she calls it a clothing line when its 2 hideous over priced pairs of PJs and nothing else.
She said it was doing really well and people are buying like crazy in her recent video…
Are people actually buying that shit ? or is she once again over exaggerating ?
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month late, but yes, even compared to her. Even Taylor (much respect) pretty much admitted to the whole thing without specifically saying Dakota's name. Once in her circle lenses video and the other was her "reacting to old videos" one.
Sarah might have re-constructed her photos, but Taylor reconstructed her life, even moving to Japan and admitting to losing modeling opportunities because she wanted to stick with her new "look".
As someone who has been to those limited edition events, I can relate with spending a ridiculous amount of money on shit you don't really want. It's a high-school like pressure for fitting in and you end up just feeling bad regardless.
She can turn a big profit on those items, tho. At least in the Tommy Hilfiger sweatshirt.
The dead, soulless eyes? Lack of any smile? Weird, unnatural movements? Rosie looking like a furry football? Uncanny valley feel throughout?
At least her cheeks were accurately represented.
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Saw this today, and they completely credited her.
Its such a ugly trend though…
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I don't understand why she insist on dressing like that. She has a nice body..
It looks comfortable and expensive. I hate athleisure but she pulls it off. But, as people pointed out, it's probably for some upcoming godawful video.
I thought her boyfriend looked pretty ancient in the holiday snaps. I know he is older, but they really almost look like father/adopted daughter, partially because of Taylor's style.
Saw this while searching for lash extension "results" from a place in London. https://www.pintaram.com/u/lashbar_london/1663819144761471924_3483115622
Let's guess whether Taylor actually got her lashes or eyebrows done there or is even associated with them…hmmm
Oh definitely, she looks like a BMI 17 or so
But she models in Asia so that's not surprising
It's ok to be borderline anorexic as long as you're a model
and yeah, I mean, she admits it's not natural. I hate how often she talks about herself as flabby or big or whatever. It was even in her 2017 rewind.
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Anyone else notice that Tom owns beauty exchange and basically gave her the bulk of her exposure? I went all the way back to when she first moved to hong kong and there Taylor is, in a massively popular BE article promoting her. Seems more likely that's the reason she doesn't want people knowing exactly who her bf is since he helped her career so much it doesn't fit with her "work hard for your dreams" persona when you're dating someone with so much social media influence before you made it yourself. Also all those events she gets "invited to" personally as a part of her modelling career are just basically business dinners she's attending along side Tom… so clearly she's purposely bending the truth in her favor to look more hard working and successful than she really is and to promote her "brand" This could be old news though i just couldn't find the energy to read the entire thread LOL(read the rules & usage info)
Subtle dig at lolcow when she says she knows who made the gif? I enjoyed her honesty and the nostalgia in this video>>22691
It's weird hearing her assistant talking from behind the camera, especially when they don't seem to really know each other well, it makes the assistant seem more like the blogger and tay is the Sharla-like friend on show
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She took picture with this girl who happens to be the editor of beauty exchange who was at the paris event she was just at. Just kinda tells me that BE is who got invited to the event as a company hence why tom was there. Not sure why she'd lie and say "omg i have no idea why someone like me would be invited to a beauty guru event" when she wasn't she was the businesses +1 just like the editor girl was.(read the rules & usage info)
I think it's more like BE is the team documenting her on that trip. One girl was there to take photos of Taylor and the rest of the HK "influencers" No7, etc. >>22694
Comment's still there. It just got lost in all of the others.
6:55 "I don't care what people think, I wear what I want to wear"
Then go ahead and cut your fucking hair taylor
he is older than 40 actually. definitely mid-40s if not older. I remember seeing his birth year somewhere and was a bit surprised.
I'm sure her family is a bit surprised by this pairing, but he made her career, so I guess they can't complain.
also kek at that childish note she wrote him
how many times did she write soulmate in that 3rd-grade cursive? She almost misspelled it once too. Imagine their early relationship.
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Elbow san aint too shabby looking though compared to what she could have gone for. Its not like he’s some grey old grandpa.
It takes two seconds to say what the problem is, but by doing so it ends all the traffic and sympathy that youtubers get from speculation alone.
If it was truly serious, you wouldn't see so many gleefully vague updates.
>>22727>surgery of any kind knocks you out and makes you feel like shit
OT but this is not even close to reality.
Not all surgeries require patients to be knocked out, and not all anesthesia will make patients feel like shit.
She updated IG saying she has what looks like three stab marks on her tummy and feels "bad ass".
I'm sorry, but she probably saw the huge view count Venus got from talking about surgery and health problems she just wants a piece of them views . Sounds exactly like gallbladder stones, its more likely than appendix removal. My sister had the same and described the same problems with the same scars.
I mean we are talking about Taylor, the girl who cried on camera 13 years later about being chubby/skinny fat in grade school for sympathy. The girl who cries on camera because of a few pimples. She cries wolf for everything for them views and sympathy.
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I dislike Taylor a lot, but I think she had some muscle tone. I tried her (ripped-off from some ballet fitness youtuber) workouts from 2015-2016. They require a certain amount of muscle strength. I'm sure she filmed those in segments so she could stop & rest & look kawaii, but she had the strength to do them.
I do not think you can lose all your muscle and "butt" (if she really built muscle over months) in a week or two. That's ridiculous.
If you think her waistline is ugly, I wonder what you think of practically every other person on earth. She's got a straighter body type, that's all. You won't see this shape )( because her hips are fairly narrow. There's not much she can do about that.
Her disordered perception of her body and food - and her marketing of this perception as normal - is what makes my blood boil. She's fake & is obsessed with going viral. But her body is fine, or it would be, if she stopped trying to make it into something it isn't. (That includes her restriction diet and the butt obsession.)
But again, she's an incredibly pampered woman who doesn't have to worry about paying bills or having a roof over her head. It's very deceptive that she tries to come across as normal while having almost no job. And if Youtube is her job, then where are her videos?
In HK and Japan they tend to stay in the hospital for longer than in N America, it's just part of their protocols. That being said I had appendicitis in N America a couple months ago and the whole thing was over within three days. Surgery and was ready to walk again. Milking something as average as appendix removal for longer than a week, while it seems like something she would do, doesn't seem like that's the issue. And they don't do exploratory surgery like that.
My bet is that she has fibroids or endometriosis because she's always had problems with her period and now that she's ready to have kids you have to get that shit sorted out.
She needs to work on her mental health and body image issues before having kids seeing as a couple of pounds and 3 little scars have set her in a spiral. I can't imagine what she's going to do when she is pregnant and can't even see her toes.
tbh I think she's just being a giant piss baby and it probably was something simple that she's now milking it. Were talking about the girl who cried 13 years after the fact about being a little chubby in grade school. She literally click baits and milks every little thing, and whines constantly about having 3-4 pimples on her jaw and about how rough her life is.
She was really young - in elementary and middle school (not even a teen). It's shameful that she went on a diet at that age.
Imagine if she hadn't, and she had just waited to grow out of this phase like a normal kid. It's very possible she stunted her own growth by dieting in puberty. She could have grown taller and been a ~vouge model~ like she always wanted.
I still laugh at that misspelling of Vogue after some farmer pointed it out in her draw my life video.
I'm doubtful she even dieted at that age as she always has the tendency to make herself sound like a hard worker. It was probably one of those over summer things, or gradually over a year type of thing. Taylor's a lazy shit that makes everything sound hard and rough.
Her whole I was fat once video was really deceitful too, notice how she only used pictures of her looking unhappy to give the impression she had a miserable childhood. Yet when she bought pictures up in her best friend's wedding video it was FULL of really happy pictures of her living her life and being a silly happy child.
I have never seen someone so desperate to seem average and coming from a rough/hard working life. Every other gal is desperately trying to seem luxurious and rich. (Tooter's and every intathot )
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Her fat video is like the height of fakeness. If you rewatch it, you'll discover new gems. At the end, she has a single tear (or maybe some contact lens solution) running down her face as she reminds her followers, "And remember, I'll always be here."
I know Taylor is not (really) a true cow most of the time, but there's something really pathetic about her thirst for fame and attention.
The thing that ticked me off the most with her wasn't even her fakeness. Its her fucking pity parties she throws for herself. Girl is always playing that tiny violin, like everything in her life is tragic and was a big ordeal to overcome. Like when she talked about speaking with Venus and made reference that she's been thru so many similar experiences as V. She really wants to be seen as this victim that came out strong, when in actuality she's this lazy spoiled turd that got even more pretentious and spoiled.
And kek, that image/screen shot is when she had hardcore cheek fillers, and had to film at specific angles and lighting. She was just as stiff as Kota was.
She started to have a lot of pain in her lower stomach/pelvic region and was afraid she had appendicitis. She had an ovarian cyst and one of her ovaries twisted itself because of it. She was scared she would possibly have a huge Caesarian section style scar but they only needed to make 3 little incisions and everything was fine. She was triggered
by the swelling because she couldn’t fit any of her clothes and had to wear pjs.
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Small conspiracy theory but I think she's getting married this week.
In her "What Happened" video she mentioned that she felt SUPER IN LOVE DESU with Elbow-san because he sat in her hospital room all day, and that she wanted to elope and have his babies right away. She showed a text from her mother telling her to do it, and now she's in Canada according to her most recent video. She recently got her nails painted in a white colour and casually mentioned she's "never had white nails before". She also said in her most recent video she wants to get pregnant soon to prevent herself getting more ovarian cysts.
I think she's going to speedrun the whole wedding/early marriage/pregnancy part due to her nEaR DeAtH ExPeRiEnCe with ovarian cysts and she's going to get married while she's in Canada.
How many friends does Taylor actually have? How big is her extended family?
On the other hand, I'm having a hard time imagining Tom being okay with that. Ethnic Chinese families tend to be huge and Asian weddings tend to have hundreds of guests, especially for a prominent businessman he would be expected to attend his associates' weddings and then invite them to his.
Maybe they'll do a small Western style service in Canada followed by a wedding banquet in Hong Kong? I've seen that pattern for lots of friends in cross-cultural marriages. Even Jay Chou did something similar i think
Lol these posts unwitting come across as salty or jealous.
There are men that like spoiling their gf/wife. Especially in Chinese cultures, it's a point of pride that you make enough money that your wife doesn't have to work. Being able to have a beautiful white wife, who is much younger, and respectful and interested in the culture, that doesn't have to work a "real job" is like living the dream of success for some Asian men.
Here's a video about wealthy Hong Kong housewives :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Qq3cFNUUI
You mean marrying a lazy ass and a spoiled brat white woman?
Maybe that’s why they marry them (a beautiful white woman,much younger, and doesn’t have to work), because i think many Asian women wants to be independent and work hard on their own instead of just looking pretty, lazy and being spoiled easily like them. LOL
It's funny how many times this assertion gets thrown around with out any proof. Taylor may be spoiled by Tom but she's never been a brat.
You've never lived in Asia have you anon?
Looking pretty and not having to work is still considered the ideal in a lot of east asian countries.
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This time it wasn’t clickbait. She got an uneven haircut, patchy color with no dimension. Apparently she wants to go even shorter. Brace yourselves for future videos where she complains and regrets it all.
He liked the dolly look too, which says a lot about him.
Her current hair isn't the kind of hair you'd get when you're about to have a wedding or have kids, so I expect it'll be a while for either.
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I wonder what he thinks of this homeless style
actually that's a common gag in HK now, she probably copied it like everything that goes viral - some HK people were buying every masking tape and then reselling it at a higher price. Some HK people started mocking these tape resellers and putting tape on their phones or watches, claiming to protect what's important to them.
What made me annoyed - aside of her behavior - was her talking about the shelter that she didn't bother to visit for last few months, and when they needed the help after typhoon she didn't even go there to help them out. I know her fans will donate some money, and that's great, but she has all the time and money and the world to actually help them out, yet she prefers to sit at home, watch netflix or youtube and ask others for help. PR stunt, that's all it was.
So many people are doing volunteer cleanups and helping their communities out, but she doesn't even bother to integrate into the country. She's too busy saying she's 'stressed' over superficial problems that aren't even hers.
So I'm not surprised she doesn't help anyone out. This attitude is why she wouldn't have close friends beyond her own family.
Her family has enough money that I don't think she's ever been worried about what would happen if everything failed. She knows she could just go home and start again with support from both her parents.
And also, I don't think her looks caused her ignorance. There are good looking people who are smart. And it's not just that she isn't 'book smart' (like good at maths or passing tests or whatever), it's more that she doesn't seem to have any kind of appreciation or curiosity for new things. She's very one dimensional.
but if you noticed how her sibling lives, they do not seem to get that much financial support form the family. I know they are wealthy and she definitely wouldn't be starving, but I don't think they would be thrilled to help a 30yo ex model youtuber at all the time. And let's face it - if she moved to Canada she most likely would lose plenty of subscribers as her content is very boring, all she has to show now is her wealthy. She wouldn't even be able to do all these stupid DIYs as she probably wouldn't have spare money to spend on art supplies.
On a side note - I wonder how Elbow explains to his business partners the weird videos his fiance shoots. I know he's doing beauty exchange and that's not really an industry that requires strict behavior, but in general, does she even consider how it affect his image as a businessman? I used to like her videos, more or less, but now she behaves like a 12 yo it's just so annoying.
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She’s always creepy af when it comes to her “assistant” “I hope to keep laughing with you forever” it’s just too cringy. >>22778>>22781
This is true however doesn’t even care to keep her sugardaddy and main source of income happy which is not smart at all.
somehow other volunteers got there to help - I guess they have a flying carpet or something. asking for money is the easiest way to get some good PR without doing much which she mastered. perfect image without doing much. I'm not salty about her staying nice and cozy at home and not helping out, but by the fact she uses these animals as a PR stunt.
cool she donated money (if she did, not just asked others), but so are other people. even the lady who runs the place crosses the boarder every day while princess taylor is being lazy at home and giving out to people how you need to work hard to achieve your dreams (which makes me laugh every time she says this)
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Hanging out with her poor friend lol
sage for tinfoil but both the outfits she's wearing in Sharla's instagram story have baggy tops. That grey sweatshirt pictured and then a green tracksuit.
Wonder if she's hiding something under there?
>>22784>… How do you know she didn't do anything?
And how do you know that she did? She already overshares that she does nothing all day.>>22787
These pics look too staged to seem natural at a glance.
To be fair she doesn't speak the language and doesn't have practical skills that would be helpful in a disaster. We don't know how much of their income they are contributing to relief efforts.
Also as someone who lived in the region before: typhoons happen every year. Yes, this one was a particularly bad one, but there were no deaths in Hong Kong, so it's a lower scale tragedy than you might think.
In a disaster scenario, the worst thing is when well-meaning foreigners barge in and try to "volunteer". Between their basic needs, translators, training them in the necessary disaster relief skills, they end up doing more harm than good. Cash is the best thing people can do
A flat can be in both people's names even if only one person gets the mortgage/pays the mortgage.
Also, aren't they buying a flat in Toronto too?
>>22790>And how do you know that she did?
I don't, and neither does the other anon, so hating on her for possibly not doing anything is fucking stupid and makes the anon seem like a salty teenager.
>she did x in her video so obviously she is y! reeeeeeeeeeee!
Come on now
Did you notice where you are? >>22796
Sorry, I thought I was on lolcow where nitpicking and tinfoiling is usually discouraged, not Salt Sperg City.
>no hate boner reaching for the stars - must be a stan>>22795
You act as if she shares things on Momokuns level, when she barely posts on instagram and makes one video a week at most. She's not smart, do you really think she could have done anything at the sanctuary? To me it's obvious that she donated too, so I really don't see a reason she should state that "yeah, btw, I donated". She also said that you don't have to donate and it's enough if you would just share the news, so it's not like her fans will feel that they absolutely have to give their pocket money. True, she is lazy, and donating is a lazy persons way to feel accomplished, so I really don't see a problem with this.
>On a side note - I wonder how Elbow explains to his business partners the weird videos his fiance shoots.
I feel like her videos are totally acceptable? The older ones where she is weeaboo cringy are kinda cringe, but if you go to her channel now it's her being cute and eating Hong Kong food and talking about dogs.
I think she makes a pretty good accessory for him since she's super pretty and obviously into the culture.
Would like to see her learning more Cantonese though.
It’s not about donating or not, it’s about her making two videos to get good PR (lady who helps the shelter provides her with her dog food: look up furry kitchen), then she didn’t even bother to go a single time in meantime. She will mention it once every three months if sth happens, but won’t move her lazy ass to actually make a change like she said she will - she has all the time and money to do so, yet she’s fake like always and using animals as PR stunt is disgusting to me. She did some good, but it’s not that no one knew that place before - they were pretty known in HK already, without her input.
You can disagree with me but you won’t change my mind about her actions
Lol i doubt that he is okay with it. That’s why he never appear in her videos on Youtube or pictures on Instagram much. You can totally see and tell that he is not interested about her videos from her latest video. He doesn’t even want to be in it. Well I can’t blame him. It’s just going to affect his image as a successful businessman.
That’s the point of having a beautiful wife when that’s the only thing you can show off about her. Obviously that’s the only thing he can show off, since smart, hardworking or a successful youtuber is not on the list.
Don’t go too hard saying the truth about her, taylovers may have a seizure.>>22807>For all we know Elbow also goes to see prostitutes or has other women on the side
Lmao what? How do you know this? Just curious
just describing some typical situations in which Chinese guys have sexual relations with many women but still have a wife (正妻)
seems tay is the 正妻 in this scenario
I think she deleted most of her old weeaboo vids now.>>22804
She has so little going on that she literally got a haircut she doesn't like (nor does anyone seem to like) and buys things to have content. Donating, such as even showing a walkthrough of how to donate as she does it, and helping out is content she would have used without hesitation.
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This is now Taylor should be styling herself.
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While her fiancé works hard this is what she does for a living lol
I always giggle seeing people WK her and saying she has money because ‘she works hard’ - nah, think again
I agree YT can be a job for someone, but to her it’s just a hobby - have it or not, won’t make a difference. She just wants to get viral - AGAIN.
She’s pretty and thanks to Tom she doesn’t need to worry about anything when it comes to finance - is her only ambition is to be YouTube famous? She could do anything with her life yet she chooses to do half ass videos every now and then for YouTube
Who said she works hard? She's obviously aiming for the housewife role. I imagine after the marriage she will have kids and focus on that.>>22817
They're engaged, I'm pretty sure that means she's been upgraded from sugar baby to trophy wife
She had many videos where she says she works hard but never shows it. She stopped talking about working hard to acheive dreams~ after people revealed the sugar daddy.
When she has kids, she'll pay other people to raise them while she works harder on maintaining a youthful look and gets rid of her pet. Expecting her to end up similar to Xiaxue in terms of content, but less original.
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Are they in love tho? More like conveniently together
I know that anons want desperately for some reason for their relationship to just be a sugar thing, but judging by what we know now, it just doesn't seem like it to me.
After all if that's all Tom wanted he could easily land a girl that's prettier and more normal than Tay. For better or for worse I think they love each other.
No one is desperately looking for a reason. Because it is the truth, everyone can see this is a sugar thing. What annoys me is that how she always try to show that this isn’t and say that she works hard for everything she earned in her life. Like seriously? Bullshit. Even the most successful girl on YouTube (Zoella), you can see how she work so hard in her daily life and put an effort in every videos she uploaded to live luxurious like she is living now. But her? Did she even work hard or put an effort in her videos besides just looking pretty, complains on videos, do stupid things on videos and follow her fiancé around like a crazy jealous wife. She is a lazy ass and spoiled giant baby.
With that face and age (no offense Tom) do you think she will like him if he is not a rich businessman? I bet she will already make a video about an pervert old man that creeps her out (about him) if he is not that rich lol
But it’s a win-win situation for them, he might like a bimbo that is also an easy girl like her who he can show to his friends and be proud of (this is very common in Asia), and she needs a guy who can support her financially and spoiled her with luxury things when she doesn’t have to work to earn money.
OMG!! YES I AGREE!!!
Thank you anon!!! Finally someone said it.
Even a millionaire like Zoe work 100 times harder in her life and put effort to every of her videos than Taylor lol if she work just half the effort and be hardworking just like her, no one will be able to say anything about how she just depends on her fiancé money to support her financially….
“Lazy ass and spoiled giant baby”
Omg so mean but so true at the same time…LOL
What do you expect with Taylor stans…
it is obvious Tom is her sugar daddy for the reasons you have already said. That’s why when I saw the wedding card that says “brilliantly in love”, besides being cringey af it sounds very off.
Agreed anon. Taylor's an airhead who's often cringy af, but the shitty ESL fanfic that some anons come up with is just goofy.>>22826>it is obvious Tom is her sugar daddy for the reasons you have already said
What reasons? That anon didn't give any reasons. They just went into a weird invective about "work hard" and Zoella.
I don't think she's a sugar-baby because she doesn't live the life. All of the girls that I know that sugared would not be content with Taylor's lifestyle. These girls had expensive apts in NYC paid for them -that they lived in alone. They were given Hermes Birkin bags. They had a 5-10k monthly allowance that they spent freely. They shopped at Gucci/Chanel/Balmain on the regular. They traveled to St Tropez and Dubai. Not one of them married their sugar daddies.
he will want to ensure his "genetically superior" (barf) halfie kids have a good upbringing.
I think the bigger question is whether or not Tay can be that mother. Canadians don't have the crazy stressful mothering style Chinese moms do.
It is if you have either sugared or know people who have (which you clearly haven't and don't).
Taylor and Tom have been together for 5 years and their relationship has had a fairly ordinary organic progression.
-dating not living together
-dating and living together
I have never met a sugar baby whose sugar relationship had that trajectory.
-promoted her youtube career though partnerships and paid outreach
-connects her with agencies and gigs through his company to keep her busy and even pays for a manager to escort her around so she never has to learn foreign languages
-pays for her beauty upkeep on top of rent
-will throw a lot of cash at whatever she needs to follow viral trends
It might not be straight forward sugaring, but the relationship dynamic being advantageous to both is there like >>22824
You don't have to be a weeb to think something is off about the two. Even a normalfag just looking at their pics would wonder why the couple is together with such a gap.
And you're just making things up to suit your favored narrative.
>promoted her youtube career though partnerships and paid outreach
He promoted her through Beautyexchange which she blogged for. He has also promoted other beautyexchange bloggers. I think given their relationship, he probably shouldn't have done that but it's not really a red flag to me.>connects her with agencies and gigs through his company to keep her busy and even pays for a manager to escort her around so she never has to learn foreign languages
What agencies? She's not signed at all now and when she was it was long before she even met Tom. Satoru was her Japanese agency from the beginning (from her earliest trips to Japan). While she was there, it was her booker at Satoru who escorted her and that made sense with what she was doing. Her being at BeautyExchange events is mutually beneficial because whether you like her or not she a relatively popular youtuber (especially for her market).>pays for her beauty upkeep on top of rent
Rent for the home they live in together.
What beauty upkeep? Before this year she was only coloring her hair 2-3 times a year. She wears mostly middle tier makeup, and she doesn't go to the aesthetician for cool-sculpting or anything. And since I don't believe she had anything more invasive than fillers, that's not much of an expense either.>will throw a lot of cash at whatever she needs to follow viral trends.
Most of her viral videos have been DIYs. A sugar-baby would have actually gotten real Vetements or Saint Laurent.
And that's the point I'm trying to make. I don't think what he does for her is beyond what a person of means would normally do for their partner who they support and love.
Newsflash: rich people have relationships. Attractive people have relationships. Sometimes they have them with each other. She would hardly be the first model to choose someone who wasn't conventionally attractive but treated her like she hung the moon. And judging by his actions, it would seem that he does. (Dude was out with her at ass-o'clock in the morning to film her flailing around to the Yokai Watch theme twice
-if that's not devotion, I'm not sure what is)>>22831
This anon summed it up nicely.
Anon, human relationships are complex, they don’t always fit your mould or any other.
Only they know what kind of relationship they have and we can only speculate. I think they’re just used to each other now but they are just together out of convenience.
I just wanted to say something similar!
I just cannot understand how they can hold a deeper conversation when he seems to have problems explaining simple things - I’m not sure if that’s just him being stressed out knowing whatever he says may be in a video and people would judge him or simply his English is OK for simple conversations but it’s just not good enough to have a dynamic normal talk.
He seems very slow when responding to her and his sentences are short and simple.
I’m not a native English speaker, neither is my husband, we do not speak each other languages so we have to speak English to each other and I don’t want it to sound like bragging but our spoken English is much better. I wouldn’t be able to be with someone I cannot communicate normally - doesn’t matter in what language, I just wouldn’t be able to stand the way Tom speaks.
As for Taylor learning Cantonese - forget about it. She couldn’t learn Japanese which is much easier (even for speaking only), she lived for 4 years before in HK and even with already being with Tom she didn’t bother to learn.
Like even in recent videos she asked him at the airport how you pronounce Toronto in Cantonese - she should know this by now.
She can get around HK with English only so she won’t have motivation to do so. She also has her ‘assistant’ to do translating for her. I don’t see that coming.
Yes, same anon you replied to and I agree. If their only conversation together is in English, it seems sorely lacking based on the videos. However his understanding
of English is very good, but he seems unconfident speaking it for sure.
Every ESL person I've ever met had better spoken English than what we've heard from Elbow-San. But they do seem very happy together so maybe he's just extremely shy on camera.
I would assume that they speak a kind of Canglish. Like Tay probably understands more Cantonese than she speaks and vice versa for him. >>22840
That makes sense.
Ah it's you.
That's not necessarily how it works. It's totally possible to suck at speaking a language and yet be able to understand it when you hear it. They aren't mutually exclusive; especially if you are -like Taylor- uncomfortable and self conscious about making mistakes. The reason that they moved to HK is because that's where Tom's primary business is and Taylor's modeling career is over. She even said that Japan was never intended to be permanent for them.
And it's honestly completely feasible to live in Japan with almost zero Japanese. Expats there do it for decades. I think that it's sad and a waste, but there you go. >We talk about girl who thinks WWIII was a thing
Pretty sure that was just a stupid mistake. Taylor's an airhead, not a Mira-tier moron.
-> Pretty sure that was just a stupid mistake. Taylor's an airhead, not a Mira-tier moron.
Mistake she should have edited, but she had no idea it's incorrect so she kept it.
She's not the brightest - not a complete moron, but learning was never her thing. She didn't even finish the degree she started in Hong Kong.
I don't say everyone should be 'book smart', but I often get stupid-girl vibes from her. I would like to believe she does that on purpose to be more 'relatable' to younger viewers, but you can clearly see there's a big gap between her and people her age when it comes to common knowledge.
About Tay learning Cantonese, I'm familiar with Hong Kong and my grandparents speak Canto so I'll try to give some sociolinguistic insight.
First of all, English is an official language of Hong Kong, and due to the colonial history, it's considered the most prestigious language. That's why I said well-to-do old money family kids would speak proper English. This is particularly true for someone around Elbow's age because HK was still a British territory when he was a schoolkid. The British colonizers, even if they lived in Hong Kong for years, wouldn't bother themselves with learning Cantonese as they saw it "beneath" them. There are a very few exceptions – for instance, missionaries tend to learn the language because it helps them reach more people, and I even met a white girl who was born and raised in HK and spoke Cantonese (as well as English) natively because her father was a missionary that preached in Cantonese. But that is the 1% of white people in Hong Kong, even now expats from rich Western countries like UK and Canada and from poorer countries like India and Philippines alike generally don't learn more than rudimentary Cantonese. Taylor is a wealthy woman who would mostly associate with people who can speak English and thus doesn't have much need to learn Cantonese.
On top of that, HK was handed over to China on 1997, and with that a lot of schools started focusing on teaching Mandarin Chinese (Beijing dialect) even over English. There are a TON of tensions because Hong Kong people don't really like mainland people and thus don't like Mandarin, but at the government level there is a big push for Mandarin.
In Canton (Guangdong) province in China where Cantonese originates, Cantonese was always both the most widely spoken language and also always viewed as inferior to Mandarin or as not a "proper" language again due to the reason that the main government spoke Mandarin.
A lot of immigrants from Hong Kong and Canton to Canada and the USA don't teach their children Cantonese because they view it as an "informal, less prestigious" language vis-a-vis English.
There are people pushing for standardization of Cantonese and taking pride in Cantonese, but these tend to be politically oriented people who don't like the Chinese government removing their freedoms and view themselves as separate from China. Elbow is a businessman who probably does a decent amount of business in China so I doubt he would make waves like that.
That said, I do think it would be good for Taylor to learn Cantonese. From Elbow's accent, we can obviously see Cantonese is his native language and the one he's most comfortable speaking. Taylor's videos usually have Chinese subtitles and I imagine either Elbow writes them himself or requests that they be added so other Chinese people can follow along with the videos. His websites are in Chinese and his fellow contacts are mostly Hong Kong people. Speaking Canto would definitely help bring Taylor closer to both Elbow and also to being integrated in Hong Kong society. I can imagine at many of the modeling and business events, everyone around her chattering away in Cantonese while she stands around awkwardly…
It's just an uphill battle for her to learn Cantonese. Everyone will tell her "Why learn Canto? English is better!". I bet even if she speaks a few words of Canto to people, they will see she's white and switch to English to accommodate her.
By the way, it's an incredibly challenging language to learn, with the traditional character set, the 8 tones, and the lack of good learning materials when contrasted with Mandarin.
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I dislike her style change so much.
With such a figure she could rock more flattering clothes.
I know Tom loves her, but I wonder what he honestly thinks about the change. He said in one of her videos he fell for her as she was different from other 'white models in HK' (I don't remember which video exactly, tho)
It seemed to have happened pretty gradually so he probably got used to it. I mean let's be real, if she tried to do that uber girly look in earnest nowadays it would be cringy af. That ship has sailed for her I think. Case in point: Kota's trying to do it for some photo shoot and the cringe is so strong I want to jump off a building to escape.
Anyway, I wish Tay had found more of a middle ground than just going full insta-style but c'est la vie.
totally agree it would be creepy!
but she had that lovely phase in between when she dressed up so nicely - like the jeans skirt and boots, long long time ago.
now it seems she tries to pursue insta trends too much. I know things can be 'trendy', but have she and her WK heard about term 'fashion victim'? like those ugly furry gucci shoes - they were 'trendy' at some point, but no one aside of super rich people showing off wouldn't ware them - this is how I feel about her recent outfits
Agreed. I also wish she had more originality. She honestly looks best in more feminine styles because her features are so soft and delicate. I'd love to see her in kind of an updated mod-style or I even think that she could probably pull off soft toned down larme. Maybe a vintage-y look. Honestly there are so many styles for her to pick and choose from.
But this trendy thing does her a disservice.
Everyone seems to think her hair before looked a lot better, especially when the kawaii shit was tamed. When there were more friends like the jvloggers in her circle, she seemed to dress better.
Now she's a mix of kardashian, ill fitting hipster and fast fashion instathot. At her age and access to resources, she should have already developed a sense for what looks good.
Ever since the dude was outed as her lifestyle provider, Taylor no longer pushes the "work hard for your dreams" lie as much.
>I'm quite mature>I provide for myself
I've seen enough. I remember he lambasted her for running up phone bills and getting cards declined like a teen. She can't even buy her own business class tickets if she wanted.
>>22853>all of those luxury goods
What luxury goods? She buys mostly fast fashion. The luxury items she has are gifts for the most part. You act like she's buying Saint Laurent and Gucci every week.>she has to make far less than the average Canadian her age
Look at the end of the day, we don't know jack about her finances and what she does or doesn't have in the bank.> I have to wonder if the video was made because Tom is starting to get embarrassed about the age and economic gap
I doubt it. Her followers have been bugging her to do it for ages. He didn't want to do it. He didn't seem embarrassed at all. And newsflash, Taylor isn't some kind of dirty secret for him. She already knows his friends and family. She's been to his friends weddings and baby showers. She's been to his work parties. She spends holidays with his family. They seem to be fully engaged in each other's lives.>>22854
He was the one who called her mature first. Admittedly I raised my eyebrows at that, but I figure that he knows her better than I do. What we see in her youtube videos is only a tiny fraction of her whole. And one where she often doesn't present herself very well.
She said "I support myself." Supporting yourself means paying for your own living expenses, including travel, rent, food, and phone.
Tom didn't show his face on the video. His immediately family and company employees have met her, but now she'll be meeting distant relatives, business contacts, former colleagues, classmates, people who don't follow their social media and don't know about her.
>>22855>Look at the end of the day, we don't know jack about her finances and what she does or doesn't have in the bank.
Not the anon you're replying to, but the way everything money or adulting related is a mystery to her at 30 shows that she is being carried.
If she was living below her means and had credit history, she would have had an easy time getting approved for the condos. She and Tom wouldn't have had to reel in dad for help at the 11th hour and have meltdowns over an imagined entitlement.
Sorry but the discussion towards the end of the video gave me a mental image of them having sex (even though she's trying to be coy about it) and i did not need that in my mind.
I'm picturing her slowly teaching him the correct english expressions for during sex and it's just cringe
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I find the way she chose to change the thumbnail and title interesting, wonder if she changed it to get more views or if Tom didn't like it?
Dude, his fiancee is a native English speaker from Canada, it's not at all surprising he would pick up on some basic white bitch slang lol
These recent videos…urgh. I honestly had a better image of their relationship when Elbow-san wasn't talking. He shouldn't have let Tay talk him into doing videos.
Also his shit English in a former British colony
is more than enough proof that he grew up poor, yet the hags on PULL still think he comes from a rich family kek.
it's funny how they try to suck it up to her by saying he looks so young - no, he doesn't. he looks his age, if I've seen him on the street I would say he's in his early 40s.
he seems all right, he works hard, but what's the point of saying 'I wouldn't guess his age' when he does look like a 40 yo guy?
Girl just bought a painting that costs in the thousands. Then again, those same fans are already excited about her getting pregnant because it’ll give her content.>>22864
I don’t think “breathless” is part of her vocab, either. >>22865
He looks older than early 40s for a Chinese guy and he's soaking up the compliments and attention seeing how often he’s been updating. But what’s a smart, hardworking guy like Tom doing with Taylor? If he just wanted a young pretty thing, he could’ve easily gotten a more beautiful and successful model with his wealth and connections, unless something's off. He pursued Taylor on Facebook (don't give me that "they were just friends" crap), so it’s not like he was attracted to her personality. They were both in relationships with other people. Maybe we’ll finally find out.
I visited HK many years ago after the Brit occupation just ended and there were many people with poor English. Being a self-made man is just as good as family money.>>22866
They obviously spent a lot of time getting to know each other before they even met. Imo they’re pretty open about that. Is it so far fetched they like each other for personality first?
In a video from January she has got a package in the mail and he teases her about it only being her third package…today
which really implied that he was paying for it. She does make Youtube buxx but she also shops a little too often to be covered. He is definitely paying for some things.
I think he doesn't like the white hair as much as she looks more like a trophy wife/gf and makes it more obvious.
The title is now "fiance Tag part 2 and Tom's Birthday"
Lead with clickbait and change it later scribbling in notebook
He contacted her on Facebook after seeing a photo of her on a mutual friend's page and if it was just because he wanted her for work, he wouldn't have been messaging her privately. Her work for his company was being handled through her agency and without his presence. >>22869
That's because it was pointed out on PULL. Just like the HK and dog shelter vlogs and sudden metal straw.
to be fair for her - you cannot marry so quickly in Hong Kong, it's very easy to get married, but you need at least one month of 'cool down' period between booking your ceremony and the actual wedding day.
I know it's always about her, but in this case it means they planned it for a while now.
Well everything you just typed there is wrong but…
Also tone down the a logging. Some girl having a low key wedding isn't worth the venom.
You guys act like she runs his instagram and makes him do this and that. He seems to be in on the elbow joke, so what's wrong with him using that name and wanting to be a part of this side of Taylor's life? He posts about cars and food and his life, which Taylor happens to be a part of, how is that her craving attention? This thread has the wildest anons is2g, one day Tom controls Taylor because "he is her sugar daddy" and the next day Taylor controls Tom because "she outshines him and is jelly". Makes me really nostalgic for that kiki milk >>22871
I hope they don't get another dog that has been bred to be so unhealthy when they move into their new house, I feel bad for Rosie because she always has her tongue out and I bet she has health issues.
Since he runs a business he already has successful social media accounts with his name or brand. It's not like that account is his first ever. He works in
digital marketing. It's just a fun account on the side and marks him becoming closer in her digital/Youtube life now they are married. She probably asked for this as a stipulation of the marriage, since him hiding in the shadows was gonna look weird once they were married.
Basically it's a good thing and I see no problems with it.>>22880
Yeah there's no way that dog's healthy.
seriously? go take a look at menclub.hk and you'll get a pretty good idea of how he makes his money. Their website and FB is full of girls showing tits and ass.
The cake Tay bought him has a phone with MC on it. It's the menclub logo. Taylor used to make little vids and interviews for them too. Most got removed once she announced she had a bf.
Amazing find, anon!!! Is this why they were in Japan? So Tom could recruit some "models" for his Menclub video?
Interesting staff: blog.menclub.hk/home.php
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It's like a view into elbow-san's mind, including Taylor lookalikes
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"Tell us more about your business Tom"
"It's uhh. In digital marketing."
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I wonder what is here in this "Private Zone"???
This is amusing me too much anons
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They got married and everyone is shocked that it was so quick and informal.
She was blogging for BeautyExchange along with a bunch of other female influencers at that time.
This Mensclub thing looks like a digital Chinese Maxim. In addition to the creepy pics you posted, there are also lots of pictures of cars, motorcycles,games, tech stuff and other presumably "manly" things. It's just another sausage site.
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Cherry-picking is fun, huh.
Someone said she did work directly for Mensclub in the past and I wasn't the one who posted those pics, although they're all from the front page of their website.
Did you actually look at their website? Check out the "Girls" page.https://www.menclub.hk/girls/17871
Look at their page on the "Under-18" girl. It's not just "manly" things. https://www.menclub.hk/girls/17871
Moving the goal post and normalizing trash sites doesn't make it "okay".
Tom giving business advice to teenage fangirls atm while this is how he gets rich is a joke.
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I was the anon who brought up menclub above. I actually don't know that it's any worse than Maxim, honestly. But I have a hunch that many of Taylor's pseudo-sexy schoolgirl "bedtime" pix were for menclub
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this is creepy though
eww that under-18 thing is like super softcore porn.
Just looking at these pics and having all of these adolescent girls looking at me just feels gross.
Just because porny photos of 16-year olds aren’t illegal in HK doesn’t change the fact that it’s messed up and gives new perspective to Taylor’s dolly phase and the wholesome image her fans have of Elbow-san.
Maxim is trashy but they don’t entice their audience with actual schoolgirls and talk up their under-18 status. Maxim almost looks classy in comparison.
yes. and Studio54. and CChannel.
all of which employed and promoted Taylor.
Wait. So both Taylor and Kota were pedo pandering gravure-esque weebs who both got Asian husbands from dressing kawaii and acting softcore and cutesy. Meaning that even though Tay was copying Kota she still made out with a better deal than Kooter. She got what Kota wanted in HK while Kota was licking muff trying to keep working while she was also married to stay in the country. That entire time Tay had Tom funding his personal real barbie.
So Tay married a Chinese Kota fan who owns the kind of site that probably would have featured viral era Kota's hideous clevage shoops and spread eagle poses to get creepy guys fluffed up to schoolgirls. Say what you guys want and I think she does love him bc of how easy he makes her life but he's obviously attracted to her because she's immature and spoiled in addition to being pretty and white. She became the trophy Kota wanted to be.
This makes me think Tom went after Taylor because
she was a kota clone. He had dozens of girls employed who looked just like Taylor but he chose to DM her over all the others? Although I guess none of the other girls had a kotaphase.
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Here's another classy post
This post is so over-the-top, but Taylor did copy Kota's gross poses. I guess she saw how they could benefit her.http://archive.is/DwS6k
"I’m proudest for not changing to fit the media. It would be a lot easier to be bigger if I just went that route and posed in a bikini. I don’t think I’m there yet. But I’m working hard to get there doing it properly."
kek Taylor ok
This so much. It's not edgy to be okay with something that's exploitative. It goes against the wholesome "hardworking and never slutted it up" image the two put out.>>22918
As the owner of the companies, he had pick of the litter to message and years to take out girls until one was dtf.
Wasn't she living with him and being supported by him before she ever moved to Japan? They met after she started copying Kota in HK but Taylor never worked enough as a model as a Kotaclone in JP to support herself on just youtube. When Tay announced her BF she qas already living in a house with him for like a year. He might not be her sugar daddy now but he probably was at first. >>22923
I love how Taylor
ended up getting everything Dakota
wanted from her viral fame. If she had chosen to stay in Japan she would have all Dakota and Kiko's wishlist boxes checked off.
In her kotaclone days she had tons of burando she wore once at best, high end makeup just for the girly packaging, and a fully decked out dolly room.
This was on top of translation and subtitling services, all to follow a temporary trend. None of that comes for free and it all got trashed as she moved onto instathot trends.
Meanwhile Koots is still reusing her VW knockoffs from taobao, kek.
>view into elbow-san's mind>bags of potato chips
lol i'm ded>>22891
Written in polite/formal Chinese:
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Inside of the MenClub Private Room, you will will be in contact with a whole new, never before seen world that is exclusively for gentlemen.
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I'll go ahead and translate the "interview" that >>22905
MenClub Christmas Goddesses* Special Issue~ Taylor R
Text: MenClub Editor Ah-K
Photos / video : Jou Fung / Taylor
The Christmas goddess special issue of MenClub is here! First up is the sweet Canadian gal, Taylor R!
Taylor R, who comes from Canada, looks exactly like a real princess. She's different from many Western chicks in that she has a Japanese flair. As such, she's become a big-name model in Hong Kong. Although Hong Kong is where Taylor found fame and success, she still makes sure to go back to Canada to celebrate the Christmas holiday every year.
"I am studying in Hong Kong, but Canada is full of interesting stuff. It snows over there, and I also really like catching up with my family and friends."
This year is no exception for Taylor: "I am going to go home and have Christmas dinner with my family. My grandma makes the best turkey in the world! I really miss my family, I can't wait to see them."
Unlike in Hong Kong, Christmas is not commercialized in Canada. Taylor said Christmas was an unforgettable part of her childhood.
"I used to believe in Santa Claus back then. When I saw all the trees that 'Santa' left under the tree, I felt so happy. If I become a mother one day, I'd like to let my children enjoy that experience too."
Taylor seems to receive a lot of gifts from her fans, so she stated frankly: "To be honest, I don't want to receive Christmas gifts anymore. I already have too much stuff!"
Taylor's homepage [links to her FB]
*Goddess is slang for hot girl, babe etc.
**LOL @ "Christmas is not commercialized in Canada"
"Dating" service, alright>>22936
"To be honest, I don't want to receive Christmas gifts anymore. I already have too much stuff!" Hahaha.
Someone asked about the MenClub logo on Eblow's IG but not even her fans at PULL caught on. And why is this thread still contained?
It's unsaged now.
Stay focused on the milk and keep the sperging to a minimum and it'll stay that way.
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Y-yes we are free!
A comment on her YouTube. I didn't notice this while watching, but now I'm thinking how weird that is?
for a Chinese family it is REALLY weird that his parents (especially mom) NEVER seem to show up in their lives. We've seen the sister in France but not the mom or dad.
We also know that Tom sold street food with his mom at a stall in a subway station in high school (and his mom didn't own the stall). Maybe the dad is either dead or the parents divorced. But where the fuck is Tom's mom? Chinese MILs are nosy af … they think their sons shit out rainbows and diamonds.
This wedding is suspicious as hell. The video where Taylor talks more about the elopement she sounds like she's sad and stressed but trying to pretend she's cool with it and happy for the sake of the camera/her fans. Tom doesn't sound like he has any emotion at all.
Something is "off" here :\ Taylor is such a girly girl, loves attention, loves trying food and outfits, planning things… Elopement is cool for some women but she 1000% seems like the kind of girl who would want a fairytale wedding. I hope I'm wrong but this seems very sad to me. :(
Honestly, she's probably only sour that she didn't get some fancy wedding. They probably eloped because her visa was soon to expire and seemed convenient. This whole news of him basically owning a site with softcore porn of teens, and Taylor knowing this and dating/working for him anyways comes off sketchy. Maybe her good girl and hard work crap is really just her projecting. Like how Onion has to reinforce how brutally honest he is, so he states it every chance he gets just like she constantly states how "good" and "hard-working" she is. I find only liars have to repeat themselves as much as they do.
Knowing Taylor though, they're probably stilling going to have a ceremony but just hold off till spring.
>>22935>world that is exclusively for gentlemen>Why we need your membership:>Yearly income:
Oh hi there escort services.>>22944>trying to pretend she's cool with it and happy for the sake of the camera/her fans
She probably isn't thrilled that she had to wait this long for the engagement and visa. By repeating that she's chill with a skype wedding, she makes it more obvious that she isn't. Kind of like when she cut her hair.
She's probably going to have proper wedding ceremonies later, so it doesn't seem sad. She doesn't have much else to vlog about unless she has a baby.
No, I think they only live in France. His uh "models" live in Japan.
Here's an interview with an HK AV girl:https://ja-jp.facebook.com/menclub.hk/posts/%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E9%A6%96%E4%BD%8Dav-girl-live/1392893424165375/
It's gone now but MenClub had an article called "Pretend Gay Get Laid"https://zh-tw
Re-reading the thread, the elopement isn't as surprising as everyone thinks.
She even talks about it here >>22752
I have no idea what they're saying, but is this a "how to pick up white women on the street" video? It's so weird and creepy.
Just a question… But is it possible Taylor may have used Tom's escorting portion of the site?
>>22948>Kind of surprised I haven’t sern any theories in that vein anywhere I looked
I guess it's because it wouldn't make her look like the heinous, gold digging bitch that many anons want her to be>>22904
I don't think it's inherently wrong to own a dating service, but having under 20-yo (yes, I'm a prude) models and girls on there is fucking nasty and really makes me see Tom in a different light.
Wtf how did I miss this. This is not only sketchy, this is straight up disgusting. So much for the "wholesome Elbow-san". >>22901
Age of consent is 16 in most countries but under-18 porn is still illegal in all of them… well, aside from HK, apparently. It's gross, no hateboner whatsoever involved since I've been subbed to Taylor for a long time, and you don't need to hate someone to acknowledge that their partner is creepy. >>22941
The Mostrengas lurking will for sure be happy about this, but I'm disappointed. So… she was an escort?
Taylor already had financial backing from her family to do modeling so she'd have little reason to. She's been silent about any relationships before Tom in HK though.>>22955
There's no way this was just a dating service. There are apps for that. This is pick up artist and softcore content with exclusive membership for rich men, that alone proves that this is an escort service.
>So…. she was an escort?
That's what I'm wondering. I don't hate Taylor, but I don't understand why everyone believes her online presence is the only "real one" while every other person on youtube is just showing a "persona" and is fake. Meanwhile, she was the girl that got her name out there by being ridiculously fake. Pretending to know Japanese, facial filler, faking her voice, photoshopping, concealing her age and dressing childishly while her boyfriend filmed her. I'm getting serious "age play" vibes from the two, especially with the fact Tay still has all her school girl outfits.
I feel like people are getting manipulated by her " I'm just like you " videos, where she complains of pimples and being emo.
Caught up with the thread due to recent shenanigans but I always thought the way she and Elbowsan met was weird? I didn't even watch her videos thoroughly but I did not know Elbowsan was 41?? She's pretty, she could've gotten literally anyone, and the fact that he fell in love with her over ~her personality~ when she looked the way she did was weird to me.
I agree with her when she said she didn't marry for a visa. If that was the case, she would've snatched it right away. I do agree with >>22948
that something happened within their family to spark such a fast decision. Super sad she didn't choose a wedding dress. She should really go into dress modeling.
Could the intro videos of the women on their channel actually be for their escort service? at the end of the video of this Japanese AV star, she says she'd really like to visit HK cause she's never been, wants to see the lights at night, eat noodles with someone who eats a lot, and visit Disneyland, all like she wants someone to take her there, not go on her own. It's a lot of trouble and money for short videos that don't get many views.
This, it seems like stupid ostrenga tinfoil to think Taylor was a escort during HK days. We've seen her portfolio, she was getting a lot of work in HK and comes from a rich family. She is also obviously not the type to do it ~for fun~.
Also, Men's Club seems more like a forum to me than specifically a escort site (I do belive they offer the service though).
They seem like escort videos rather than modeling videos, I agree. She seems so nervous and scared, and unfamiliar with modeling. Compare to something like thishttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zoWxfCzGOQ4
(Page 3 topless models. Tons of men are watching but the model isn't scared)
>>22964>Taylor says they met because he wanted to work together>Shifty about exact date they met (she always pauses and is vague about it)
I think maybe he wanted to hire her for this stuff, took a liking to her and then dated her instead. He likes her "personality" since he has his pick of hot girls running this site.
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check out the url ("single white female again")
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Menclub publicized Taylor's announcement about her single status.
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This translation is not great but it's Bing autotranslate. The rest of the article is about other people.
The article itself was somewhat choppy.
Single Doll-like Model Back on the Market
The very pretty doll-like model Taylor R, like Chrissie Chau (fellow model), has recently reverted back to being single and "back on the market." She broke up with her boyfriend (who works in the financial sector) of 4 years several months ago. Don't think that a model's love life is very exciting or that their Valentine's day is going to be extra romantic though. Taylor, who has been in 2 relationships, just enjoys cooking at home with her boyfriend (her specialty is seafood spaghetti) and watching movies.
She isn't worried about being lonely this Valentine's day with no boyfriend and plans on hanging out with her female friends. Her requirements list is very simple: his personality is the most important, and must be able to make her laugh and support her work. Pretty-boy male models are not her cup of tea, they're better off admired from a distance.
Not really. If you've ever planned a wedding you would understand better. I'm at the age where I am planning a wedding and everyone else around me is either also planning or had a wedding in the past couple years.
Literally EVERYONE goes through a phase where they consider eloping. Weddings seem overwhelming to plan at first.
But I only know like one or two couples who actually did go ahead and elope (both in Hawaii, and one doesn't really count because the bride grew up in Hawaii and they had a big reception in California afterwards).
People might decide to scale up or down the style of the wedding, but ultimately most couples realize that a wedding really symbolizes the biggest day of their lives and a chance to throw a party for all their family and friends. I've been to all manner of weddings from a $100k affair in NYC straight out of Bride Wars, to a $1k simple potluck in a public park where the bride made her own dress and her sister baked the cake type of thing. Traditional Catholic Mass hourlong snoozefest to secular 5 minute exchange of vows. Military weddings in full uniform, Southern weddings with country music and bbq, Chinese banquets with like 20 dishes and parental tea ceremony and 3 different dresses for the bride, Halloween wedding with the bride in a black dress… there are a million ways to do a wedding and very very few people actually want to elope. Even those who do elope would generally have their parents there…
A wedding is a huge deal because it basically presents the married couple to the world and shows everyone what kind of couple they are and gives their entire family and friends community a chance to have a sort of emotional fulfillment of understanding that they are a married couple now.
When I first watched the wedding video, I thought they were just doing the registration and then later on they would host a proper wedding. But in her second video she clarifies they don't have any immediate plans to do that.
This is hugely disappointing. Yes, we're all feminists and women don't need a white dress and a big shabang and it's acceptable to elope. But if you're watching Taylor R expecting a woman who doesn't act feminine or traditional then idk wtf to say to you. She's absolutely the kind of woman who would want a big dress and ceremony. Her whole life revolves around making herself pretty and filming herself so the world can see her. She's INCREDIBLY family oriented. She has stated over and over that she appreciates Elbow-san's family values and how he respects her family. This sudden marriage is like a slap in the face to her family I feel; even if they tell her it's okay and she says she is okay with it. Of course they would say they support her and are okay with it because they want to be supportive and loving towards family, but I bet that privately they are pretty damn disappointed. For more traditional, family-oriented people, weddings are as much for the family as for the couple themselves.
That's not even getting into the Chinese side of it. Chinese families are a million times more conservative and traditional than North American ones. Even very liberal free spirited Chinese people who studied abroad etc, their weddings are very traditional. They may privately complain but a HUGE part of Chinese culture is respecting your elders so if your elders tell you to do something, you do it. Many/most Chinese women are fully independent career women but for their wedding they will pour tea for their new in-laws (sign of obedience to the husband's parents) because that's just How It Is Done. Like with white people parents they will also view the wedding as a big family reunion, and often also they will invite all their business contacts. Many Chinese people complain that they don't know half the people at their own wedding because their parents wanted to make sure all their
(the parents') friends are invited. Again the wedding is not just about the couple celebrating their love, but it is about presenting themselves as a couple to the family and the entire community.
In Chinese culture, women marry "into" the husband's family. So sometimes Chinese women marry white guys and get away with there not being a lot of Chinese elements or all the extended family and business contacts. But for Taylor. She is a woman. She has to show her loyalty to Tom's family. In Chinese culture she is now a part of his family. When she dies she will be buried with his family (traditionally Chinese have family tombs, not individual grave stones like in America). On Tomb-sweeping day she should go to worship his ancestors.
Even if Tom isn't super duper traditional, these elements probably play a role to some extent. Not doing them at all would be like an American couple not doing Thanksgiving or Christmas at all. Again not unheard of, but if someone told you they had 0 plans for Thanksgiving, you'd think it kinda suspect right? (Not in a "I can't afford the flight home" way, in a "I don't have a single member of my entire extended family I'd spend the holiday with" way). It's just suspicious.
I can't figure out quite what's going on here, but it's definitely not as simple as "Oh we just decided to elope". There's some bigger issue going on. Chinese people don't "just elope". Some white people may just elope, but not people with Taylor's personality and interests and family relationships/values.
We could speculate wildly on what, but I certainly don't have any receipts on anything. Instinctively I could imagine :
–His parents had a nasty divorce. This would explain zero contact with one side of the family, as traditionally when Chinese parents divorce the custody goes 100% to one of the parents and the other half of the family never sees them again– but then where is the half of the family Tom WAS raised by? He mentions a mom so where is his mom?
–Money issues. Heis mom is poor and he's baller but we never hear about him giving money to his mom which is another huge negative in Chinese culture. I can't really overstate how horrific it would be in Chinese culture for a first/only/oldest son to leave his mom in poverty. Or maybe he gave her a bunch of money and she mismanaged it?
–The mom died recently. This one is a good theory since if she did die, they would have to get married within 100 days according to Chinese culture, or else wait 3 years. And Taylor mentioned that they wanted to get married in less than 3 months. However, this is still deeply unsatisfying in that we never see Taylor interact with Tom's mom, or even mention her. Maybe she doesn't want to be on camera, sure, but Taylor could mention her if the two had a relationship ("My future MIL taught me how to make this soup"; "Elbow-san and I just got back from visiting his mom").
–The mom's family refuses to accept Taylor. I find this extremely plausible. The only time we see Taylor with family is at Tom's sister's house and his sister also married a white French guy so the sister probably doesn't mind. But maybe the mom is very traditional – she might have even had a Chinese woman lined up for Tom. If Taylor started out as Tom's escort/sugar baby before evolving into genuine love, I could imagine his mom being very disappointed. "Those loose Western women have no morals, can't cook proper Chinese food for my son, will not obey me as a dutiful daughter in law, will not ensure our family's heritage and traditions are properly followed…" etc. This kind of stereotypical thinking is common among older Chinese women – they don't care if their daughter marries a white guy because "daughters marry out anyway", but the son marrying a white girl is their worst nightmare because they want a Chinese daughter in law they can boss around. (Most Chinese women won't let themselves be bossed around these days anyway, but in their imagination white women are even more willful).
The part that doesn't make sense with this is that a girl like Taylor should have been able to win over Tom's mother by now. Taylor isn't a loud arrogant white woman. She's very much so the kind of ideal woman that a Chinese mother-in-law would want: Slim and pretty, mild mannered, cares more about family and home than about own career ambitions (won't outshine her son), she's clearly the more submissive one in the relationship with Tom (she mentioned that he makes all the big decisions, all the first moves, and she mostly manages daily household matters like what groceries to buy which is what a traditional Chinese wife is expected to do), she very much so wants children which is the #1 thing Chinese mothers hope for is grandchildren. It's been years. If the issue is that Tom's mother won't accept Taylor, then why? Furthermore, how would Tom be okay disobeying his mother if it's causing that much of a rift in the family?
If the above sounds way too old fashioned to you, you don't know Chinese culture well enough. This stuff sticks incredibly hard. I know families who've been in the United States for multiple generations and still they adhere to many elements of this culture (for instance, finding the idea of putting grandparents in a nursing home absolutely abhorrent). I know people whose bio parents were horribly abusive and irresponsible to the point that were basically raised by grandparents from childhood, but as adults they still fork over 1/3 of their paycheck to their absentee bio parents because "We are Chinese and we show respect to our elders". I literally have never heard of a Chinese couple eloping. It's kinda hard to overstate how shocking it would be.(holy shit)
then read>>737383 then
>eloping the way they did is very fishy since Tom's Chinese parents probably wouldn't approve of how they did it.
i would just say
>eloping is INCREDIBLY HORRIBAD AND BIZARRE and it is worth wondering why
but I'm trying to head off the wypipo replies of "It's 2018 it's okay to elope" because in chinese culture it's really really not. It'd be like if someone told you "Instead of going to Thanksgiving dinner, I'm just going to shit on my grandma's fine linens and then eat the family dog".
For someone who claims to be an expert about ~Chinese culture~, you sure are making an assload of over generalizations. China is still highly traditional and patriarchal, that’s true; however, with the changing tides of modernism, feminism and captialism, as well as the growth of larger metropolitan cities and more opportunities for education and careers, the younger generation doesn’t hold on as tightly to those traditional values as their parents and grandparents might.
If you’re 100% certain that Taylor will be buried in her husband’s family tomb
, you probably don’t understand China as much as you think you do.
What part of china are you from? Hong Kong is a lot more traditional than the Mainland because of the Cultural Revolution. It's a huge fucking problem in Hong Kong in particular because they have no spacehttps://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/23/world/asia/hong-kongs-drive-for-green-burials-clashes-with-tradition.html
If you're from the mainland please don't tell me about traditional Chinese culture tbh, they don't do half the traditional stuff people in Hong Kong/Taiwan/overseas Chinese still do. I met a girl from the mainland who didn't even know what ghost month was, lol
Because all "wypipo" are muricans, amirite?
Fuck off with this shit.
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here's an example of a graveyard in Hong Kong where everyone is from the Kuo family
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and a different style for Lim tomb.
Honestly just because posters here aren't familiar with traditional Chinese culture doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Would you tell Taylor that Christmas doesn't matter? She and Tom have said plenty of times they have worked through cultural differences.
idk why people are resistant to the idea that Tom, a 40 year old born and raised in Hong Kong in a Hong Kong Chinese family, educated in Hong Kong entirely (even college), who also worked most of his career in Hong Kong, would have cultural attributes of a Hong Kong Chinese person
Nta, but we can't say for sure that she can't have possibly done some sort of sex work in HK, not when photo evidence as >>22941
There's no doubt that Tom Lip is the CEO of MenClub, so Taylor's fans can stop saying "IF he's the CEO."
"Interview with Tom Lip, CEO of Beauty exchange HK and MenClub HK":https://issuu.com/msahkustbrio/docs/msa_annual_journal_2014
He's also the owner of Environmental Informatics Group (EIG).
the same amount of sperging that is needed to make a comment like "I wonder if they will spend Christmas with Taylor's family" or "What do you think Tom will give Taylor for her birthday". It's just basic stuff people who are married do.
Seriously your ignorance about Chinese culture is cringy. Aren't even white people usually buried with their spouse? Why is it a big deal to point out that Chinese people are usually buried near not only their spouse but also their ancestors on the paternal side?>>22997
So the point of "people don't do this in mainland China" would be great if Tom was from mainland China, which he's not
How is that picture proof of anything except an embarrassing experience that she actually mentioned herself in a video? It happened at HK fashion week. She was still wearing underwear in that picture. It was a stupid red carpet design that caused it not deliberate flashing on her part.
Just because Tom owns an undeniably sketchy/gross website that's like an EA version of Maxim/Esquire doesn't mean that Taylor
was a prostitute. And even though I don't like her at all and think that Tom's skeevy af, I think that branding her an escort is a bridge too far.
I'm convinced she got pregnant and they had to have a hasty wedding. Here >>22752
Taylor is talking about how thirsty she is for his babies and wanting to elope so it wouldn't shock me if she made good on that desire. The fact that they aren't planning a proper ceremony anytime soon could hint that she will have to wait til after giving birth.
Yes it's strange that Tom's family isnt involved at all but maybe he just isn't on good terms with his family. As for Tays not sure what her excuse is since she's obviously close with her family. But people elope with no family involvement all the time, though it usually indicates bad blood or whatever.
She was messaging her family while she was in the hospital recovering from surgery, miserable, uncomfortable, and probably on god knows what. I took that whole stream of messages as her being incredibly grateful and appreciative of Tom's kindness and in typical Taylor fashion hyperbolically expressing her feelings.
Seeing her family vlog really killed me, honestly. She is so beautiful
, her family is so beautiful, and she wastes her genes marrying some creepy asian toad. If I were her parents I would have disowned her for being some gwailo/white monkey whore, just fetish for asian men.>>22952
This just reinforces it. There are definitely white women who go to asia for a confidence boost since so many asian men want to date "foreign blonds".
Scrolling down I was surprised to see fucking tomb pictures by this newfag who loves to generalize asians, kek
This is some next level shit that needs to go on an lolcow hall of fame page, alongside Kaka's posts. It would be great if it was Kaka but it doesn't sound like her.
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FOR ALL THOSE SPECULATING TOM’S AGE:
if you go to his linkedin profile, there is a section for education. it says he started university in 2000, so we can assume he was 18 at the time. deduct 18 from 2000, you get 1982, so he should be turning or turned 36 this year.
And Taylor is what, almost 30? They're actually closer in age than I would have guessed.>>22974
This is why this thread was in autosage, jfc.
How so, anon? Most chinese people that I have met went to college straight after high school. I don't doubt it because he looks a bit older to me but it's entirely possible.
Also kek Taylor's LinkedIn says she is a "Nutrition Student".
My not-tinfoil is it was to make signing off documents relating to the house build easier when tom is at work. She can sign off as Mrs Lip (?) is that the name, rather than Taylor Richmond which makes her seem like a random. It was definitely for legal reasons which she even says in the video.
She will probably have a big party when she goes back to Canada next time. However it's still weird that his family appeared to have no involvement. The real milk this week is finding out what his "business" is.
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Tom is currently doing a Q&A on Instagram and someone asked this.
Now we know why his family/parents weren't there.
I'm sorry for his loss but this just makes >>22974
even more funny
That was my point. It could have sped up their marriage.>>23028
Someone linked to here on PULL and now her defenders are trying to derail this thread.
Taylor has to be going crazy now that her husband's tastes have been revealed, but she can't exactly get Tom to shut down MenClub.
it's one fucking person, calm your tits.
also, doubt taylor cares, she knew this when she started dating him. and i am sure that her ass kissers will find a justification for all this shit and move on.
>>23029>Someone linked to here on PULL and now her defenders are trying to derail this thread.
Doubtful, given that basically no one is defending her on PULL. >>23031>also, doubt taylor cares, she knew this when she started dating him.
I'm sure she did and he doesn't hide it at all. In the most recent Q&A he did he was asked about about and answered that it was his company's "Men's Marketing" publication.
I'm sure she and he just consider it to be one of his businesses, and taking into account that most of Menclub content is pretty tame, I'm not surprised.
Have any of you spergs considered that they may have been there but dont want to be plastered on social media?
They probably have private photos with his family as well.
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Apparently they moved to Toronto now
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I thought they were staying in HK, hence the new apartment that's being built.
Rewatching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJsHVFmoa34
Pretty interesting that Tom promised it would be in Canada and her grandparents would be there. Neither of those things were true!
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so they have two places to stay? What?
Yea but to say „we moved here now” sounds like they’re gonna stay a little longer.
Biggest freaking teaser/clickbait-to-come for her Vlogmas
Totally, I don’t think she deserves it just because she is lucky - I don’t say I deserve it more than her but I know plenty people who should be rewarded in life like her yet they only get middle fingers from life.
Even thought her family is wealthy looking at the eldest sister without Tom she wouldn’t enjoy life like this, even her YT career is all thanks to his support (financial and the fact she doesn’t need to have an actual job) so yeah, I think she’s just one of those lucky people.
Life is easy if you’re pretty and old guys like your cute baby image.
It's still therehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2NvDZ9RMOQ&t=36s
Apparently it just isn't showing up as embedded.
because she's pretty.
why is there a lolcow thread on her? see >>23048
this is the first time i've been in this thread in a year so don't accuse me of being a white knight; she's objectively beautiful and has an easy, spoiled life that a lot of anons here would love. taylor's place on this site originated from kiki's psychotic jealousy, so it's not hard to believe that others fee lthat way.
damn those threads were a trip lmao
i remember reading through and being amazed at how she had adapted the lingo and everything so that it wasnt as obvious until you went back and read all her posts together
Whatever one thinks of Dakota, this is a pretty weird thing to say.
Sage for personal opinion:
I am occasionally envious of two things Taylor has:
- a loving family
That's it. She has shown herself pretty deficient in character and personality. Her desperation to be liked and go viral is unhealthy. Her vapid lifestyle, swinging from trend to trend, is pretty undesirable as well. She is the most basic of basic women: Starbucks, fake gluten allergy, obsessed with dieting, loves Kardashians, took 3 weeks to read Girlboss. She grew up in a bilingual country and never learned French. She lived in Japan and HK and never learned either language. She is superficial. And add to that the Menclub stuff - it's not a picture of a stable woman.
Dakota has a ton of flaws. But I give her credit for truly immersing herself in Japanese. She may speak with rude forms, but she can speak. It shows a certain intelligence and business savvy. Now, she needs to apply that to her job (modeling/talent/whatever), because gaining weight and dressing horribly and lying and photoshopping and DCMAing everything is terrible for business. But maybe she'll ultimately apply her intelligence to something else. I guess we'll see. We don't have proof that Dakota has a sugar source (though it is likely); no matter what Taylor says, it is clear Tom Moneybags is footing all the bills.
I personally don't like or want to be like either of these women, but just because Taylor looks somewhat better physically and lives a luxurious lifestyle - I would not say that is the $100,000 version of Dakota.
Dakota could get back in the game by writing a tell-all book.about her crazy enmeshed family and what it was like growing up in that toxic waste dump. I might actually buy it.
She's not super fascinating, but there's enough there to keep me interested. I'm mostly amused by what an idiot she is. Even the most basic, widely-known things elude her. Like how she hadn't heard of "something borrowed, something blue" until her wedding day, or how she noted that fashion often moves in cycles and was amazed by her own profundity kek
She's just a pretty little idiot with an easy life who, despite living abroad for so long, has never managed to cultivate any valuable insights into the world around her. That's funny to me.
I agree, but she was most interesting during her dolly days where every video was fake. She's currently interesting due to her husband's shady partnerships and income sources finally being revealed.
It gets boring when newfags think people must be jealous of Kota or Taylor. I'm neither and that seems to be a hard concept to grasp. We knew the spending money sources were shady from the start, it just took time for the reveal and that's the entertainment. >>23064
The joke was that kaka never adapted the lingo, people always call her out on replies because she posted the same way or opinions each time. She'd get fired up about being called things like bald. In some ways Kaka is as unadaptable as Taylor.
Taylor may not be doing much now and certainly is living a pretty indolent lifestyle, but at least for the first 7 or so years of her career she hustled and worked a lot. You can tell by how full her old modeling portfolio was. And it was just working model stuff. Lots of campaigns, editorial, catalogue. At 23 (same age as Kota now) she was modeling full time during the day and studying nutrition at night. What is Kota doing now exactly other than scamming freebies out of acquaintances. Also Taylor worked at a shitty minimum wage hostessing job at a crappy restaurant as a teenager. Call me when Kota is ever humble enough to do something like that.
No question, Taylor is legitimately terrible at language. It's obvious even in her native English. Cantonese is a lot harder to learn than Japanese as well. And unlike Kota, Taylor isn't confident in herself which makes putting yourself out there much more difficult. Dakota otoh was 16 when she came to Japan an age when it's generally a lot easier to learn learn a second language. This explains why her pronunciation is good basically, that and having good ear. Kota also thought that she was hot shit and talked like it. Confidence makes it a lot easier to learn and use a language. Most importantly, she was living with a Japanese guy which was pretty evident from the way she spoke. Finally, it took her 3 years to become proficient enough to be able to be on Japanese television. Taylor didn't live with a native speaker, and was 10 years older.
And if you want to talk about deficient character, Dakota and her family bullied other foreign models, most likely paid for her to go viral, and even now acts like a complete cunt when she thinks that she can get away with it. Plus, Dakota lied about having a deadly form of cancer less than a year ago in order to hide having a cosmetic procedure done. Which is still beyond the pale for me.
I think they're both shit, just different flavors of shit, and I slightly respect hints of general intelligence more than I respect Taylor's O-faces and overdrawn lips in front of cameras. You can stop defending the poor dear now. She's not confident so she has a Youtube and Instagram account full of her filtered and photoshopped mug. OK then.
I moved to a foreign country as an adult, didn't live with a native speaker, and I could speak the language decently within a year. After two years, I was much better, and after the third year, I would call myself conversationally/everyday fluent. There were no topics I couldn't discuss at that point - the question was only how detailed. And no, I never took a class. Native speakers in my environment corrected me.
Taylor could learn a language if she wanted to try. But she preferred to pretend.
Yeah I don't buy that Taylor isn't confident. It's part of her brand to appeal to younger girls who watch the videos, but at the same time make them feel insecure and need to buy whatever she's buying or do whatever she's doing.
It takes a lot of balls to dress up in ridiculous outfits for attention (when it wasn't even work), pay someone to record or take pics of posing extra in public, and constantly be overexposed down to the bathroom things.
I'd say Kota has less confidence since we never see her real face or anything real of her bc she knows she looks like shit. She puts tighter controls on what we get to see.
But yes, they're both lazy in different ways. It may be easier to learn languages when younger, but that doesn't mean it's impossible - especially when you have the means and free time to make the conscious choice.
sage but I never really watched Taylor until I came across her in the Venus/Margo thread and made Margo screech, so of course I had to have a watch
Now I think her vlogs are pretty relaxing and I like to have them on in the background while doing internet stuff.
I'm so amazed all of this milk was missed. This little update has been fun to read!
I wonder what else she is in that there is to find? If she wasn't in much of the photos on the site or videos, is it safe to assume she was more involved in the "gentleman's club" portion of the site behind a paywall?
>>23080>is it safe to assume she was more involved in the "gentleman's club" portion of the site behind a paywall
No. They were already dating by the time she appeared on it. Menclub started in late 2013/2014 according to Tom. The "gentleman's club" is a dating service affiliated with and sharing customers with an Australian dating site, Datetix. This feature started in 2015.
Promoting your girlfriend on your website is sketchy but not in the way the you are implying.
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What the heck kind of event was this? This isn't wholesome or funny at all.
This isn't true. Menclub announced her single status in Feb 2013. >>22970
She was somehow affiliated with the site earlier than that, or they would not have announced it like this. I'm not sure exactly when Tom and Taylor started dating, but it would have been after this announcement, presumably.
There are a few archive.org hits for the website in 2012. Most say "coming soon" but the website must have gone live in October or November 2018 based on the snapshot on Nov 30.
Given that Tom contacted Taylor in 2012, he probably contacted her to do things for Beautyexchange. (There's a post on his FB site dated Dec 16, 2012, where he says "BE girls rock" - there's a thumbnail of a now-deleted Taylor video included in the screenshot.) But she also must have been affiliated with Menclub in its primordial stages, as there are FB posts about her in very early 2013, including the weird one announcing that she's single and asking if any Menclub readers have the balls to date her.
Where exactly did you read this, anon?
Because from the same article…>而TaylorR.就露出花花底褲，認真冇陰功，有邊個會諗到簽個名都會走光先？最慘係佢哋全部都唔知情。
(And) Taylor R. revealed floral underwear, which is very unfortunate, who would've thought that signing (the wall) would result in getting exposed? The worst part is they were all unaware.
The entire thing was just an inappropriately placed mirror at an event that caused a number of female artists to suffer a fashion mishap.
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Unblurred it’s all sorts of fucked up
No Kaka, doing suggestive or sexy photo shoots doesn't make anyone a prostitute.>>23087>>23088
That's disgusting. I bet the stuff was aware but they didn't tell the models because they are perverts.
it was definitely done on purpose because why put mirrors angled that way next to where
a) they will pose for the camera
b) get them to lean and sign the wall so they are stood front facing the mirror with cooch all out for extended amounts of time
Her fillers were something else here, she almost looks like a different person. But this >>23091
is really fucked up.
Honestly, to each there own. I don't personally like her looks or body, but it's not worth debating because everyone has different preferences. Debating her looks will just result in the same outcome as the jaw debate that happened in Dakota's thread. ( shit storm/sperging )
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okey but why does she look so weird lately. I get that she has fillers but I think also the blonde hair in combination with her make up looks so irritading. STOP it girl
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are the fillers deflating or?
She looks so washed out. Her hair looked way better with the gold highlights and lowlights. This oversaturated blondencolor is in style now but it just doesn't suit everyone.>>23102
Lmao are you for real rn
I don't know anything about cheek fillers. However, I do recognize the odd mouth corners she has. I think she's had a small amount of filler to compensate for the beginning of marionette lines (a problem for people with certain face shapes & bone structure). This type of filler helps lift the mouth corner.
I've had it two times (I'm in my mid-20s - it is a genetic problem). The second time, the woman injected too much. It puffed out just how Taylor's mouth area looked around the time she cut her hair.
just one example: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnuci4aHSa6/
You can see it in a lot of other videos and pictures. Because the filler dissolves, the puffiness goes away after awhile.
She obviously edits these pictures and smooths that area out more, but you can still see the puff where the filler might be. I used to think all that puffiness around her lower mouth/chin was her acne, but in this case, I think she's had this small amount of filler to lift her mouth corners.
I don't judge her for doing it. I did it because I got tired of people telling me I looked sad or angry.
>>23102>she never had fillers
That one anon who keeps insisting it was "debunked" without receipts is back.
Anyone who had fillers can recognize how they seem on the face, especially in odd angles because the change is immediate until it settles.
She definitely had a top up before coming to Toronto on the cheeks and around her nasolabial or marionette area. At her age and looking at her family's genetics there's no point in pretending she's natural.
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Damn, they're moving fast lately with everything. I wonder if she's going to cash in on family vlogging. ( Honest to god hope not ) >>23102
Lol. Her face just naturally randomly swells or looks like she was stung by bees.
Well the first 5 are obvious and all from same month long period more than 4 years ago. The last one gets posted and it's just a really bad angle because in the drama the main character is looking down at her and she's looking up with kind of a weird fisheye lense. If you look at other scenes from the same episode she looks less puffy.
Anyway, I'm really not sure why we are discussing her fillers again
. Plus this thread stinks of Kiki.
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No, the bruising is minor to non-existent as long as you aren't drinking excessively or taking NSAIDs. Taylor also wears full coverage foundation and concealer - she could cover a bruise if necessary.
People with her face shape are prone to getting these lines earlier than people with different face shapes, I think. But it's clear that this is probably not the only "upkeep" she is having done - it's just the only thing I know anything about personally.
I don't think anyone who gets fillers should be shamed for that (obviously kek). Taylor is going overboard, though - the Pocky commercial and the (pic related) ad… That's not just filler underneath her mouth corners, obviously
Point is that she did have fillers, and homegirls face shouldn't drastically puff out like that from bad angles or smiling. Even in the pocky video, she had moments where her face wasn't puffy.
anyways, I figured most assume this pocky video is lost : https://www.bilibili.com/video/av1995594?from=search&seid=2051213643727023184
I was just sharing my personal opinion & experience about the puffiness around her mouth.
Anyway, I think it's interesting that the posts about menclub are getting buried in this crap.
Wtf are you serious? Taylor would have mentioned her allergy instead of making up lies about weight gain. Anon mentioned here >>23105
that saying she has an allergy would have made more sense because you can't prove it and now you are saying that she had an allergy causing these fat cheeks???
Something is telling me that you are either Taylor or a retarded Taylor stan
Topping off a few days before a trip is just like getting a manicure before a trip and it seems she often does things with this routine. It takes even less time than a manicure, maybe 10 minutes to get done. >>23124
Can a summary post about menclub be made? People seem to be in doubt still.
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she 100% has cheek fillers.
she probably got them originally to have a 'uber cute kawaii baby face' but now has them as an attempt to reverse the aging process/look younger.
In the pic attached, see how flat her entire under eye/cheek region is? That looks fine when you're young with plump skin but as you age your skin obviously begins to droop. That lack of volume there is a recipe for looking haggard af.
The obvious answer is she had it done once, realized it looked horrible and never did it again.
it's not bulimia cheeks, that happens farther down in the face (see Yumi King), and weight gain wouldn't make ONLY her cheeks fatter without affecting her chin or any other parts of her face. You can see in these photos/videos that she still has bony wrists so if she did gain weight it certainly wasn't much, and not enough to affect her face this way.
WHen you've eliminated the other options, what's left must be the truth. She had fillers to try to make her face look more round and childlike, realized she looked stupid, and never did it again. The end.
I was the anon who kind of triggered
the recent interest in menclub and found the posts about her on their FB, including the announcement of her single status and upskirt ogling. I have a deadline to meet tonight but will be happy to write up a summary tomorrow.
>>23117>in the drama
Wait, homegirl was in a drama? Like asian soap opera? Source?
Also: Her Toronto condo was posted on PULL. Is it doxxing to list the name of the apartment building? It's a huge ass building downtown, but they definitely got one of the nicest units
That's not what was posted…and you know it. Basically someone on PULL posted a a screenshot(that they have since removed) of a real estate listing that included the price and sell date and it was really easy to track her exact building and unit from it.
When it comes to Taylor, PULL a-logs so hard.
She is the dumb one. She’s the one who posted a video showing the house and you can obviously see the background outside the windows and find where she lives easily. But as usual, being the not-so-smart Taylor, it’s okay not to have privacy as long as she can show the whole world how big and expensive their house are.
You can also hear how annoyed Tom were in the car after they went for Christmas shopping vlog. She love to buy a lot of unnecessary things and obviously not the one who will have to pay for it. With everything she bought online (the boxes never stopped coming in her vlogs) I’m sure she never pays for anything and just spending his money carelessly. Cant you be any more spoiled bimbo Taytay? LOL girl.
I agree with you anon. As a public figure she should know the risk of putting that kind of stuff online..you can’t blame anyone else, it’s her fault. She should know how crazy people online are.>>23147
The anon didn’t even say what they did was right…She was just stating the fact that it is Taylor’s fault,which is true..she is the one who needs help because she can’t go a day without flaunting how rich they are and how much money they have (when it is not even HER money, how embarrassing) and she’s the one who makes it not safe from online people….
I agree to a certain extent. Most youtuber's homes get exposed eventually anyways because there will always be that one crazy fan/hater that'll spend hours looking. Maybe Taylor just doesn't care anymore if people look into her because all her info is basically already out there. She's got what she wanted and that's marriage to a rich man. Maybe she's going to just on the flexing trend late, and start acting like Alissa Violet ( retarded and spoiled ).
Is that Cantonese? So creepy.https://www.bilibili.com/video/av4757615/?spm_id_from=333.788.videocard.0
The editing is so much better in these
older videos. When did Elbowsan stop paying for all of that? Her voice and tone are also different, like a little girl's.
do ypu guys see how shes lifting he brows to open he eyes?? He forehead should be wrinkly no? I´m sure she got bodox. Even nowadays.
I really wanna know why she didn´t get lip injections when she was so crazy about Kylie and is overdrawing he lips every day
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I think because she likes her heart-shaped lips which might be hard to maintain with fillers. Also, lip fillers are even more obvious and noticeable than cheek fillers are. Every youtuber with them has bulging anus lips or you can see them protruding from the side profile.
She made the smart decision not to.
Looked exactly like one of Koot's videos at first, damn.>>23156
Botox costs less than a takeout lunch from Kupfert and Kim, she's had it all around the eye area and forehead for years at this point.>>23134
Looking forward to it anon.
Agreed. The issue is YouTubers don't live in a bubble. Their audience is all around them and sometimes in the millions. I used to live under the hill where Ryan Higa's new house was, and every time I went to the store I saw it. Eventually, I started noticing the cross streets in the background of videos and it made me feel like a total creep… but I just live nearby.
I feel like Taylor in particular just would not care. I mean Tom can just pay for a new place any way, right?
She looks so skinny in this one. Like I know she's a model but geez.>>23156
Probably because it changes the face too obviously.
Why are you shocked? Taylor talks about her period blood, pimples and dirty habits, not that crazy for her to show and talk about her shit. >>23172
Because she's an attention whore and wants fame, anon.
>>23150>was just stating the fact that it is Taylor’s fault
Not to WK but: Nice victim-blaming. If she didn't want us to find her house she shouldn't have posted a video with visible windows in it!!
Honestly the bitches at PULL or here are not the problem. But I guarantee she had stalkers-every woman online has. She's incredibly visible. Notice she never shows chest or cleavage in videos/photos. My guess is to try and deter creeps. If any creep finds her house, both her and any future toddlers are in danger. Doxxing is inexcusable.
That was the only one, and presumably a creep's fantasy is not a woman in a wedding dress. She also seemed awkward about it even though it looked pretty, and then got married in a suit
Also remember to put sage in the email field.
As someone from the area, she shows too much in her videos. You can see signs of streets and the view of iconic sceneries make it clear the area she lives.
For those who care, she is in a condo near the core of Toronto so it is pretty pricey and funnily it’s known for being bought by asians who drive the market up and rarely live in these places. It’s a big issue for the city because housing prices are bad and no one seems to be in the condos that exist. Living in the core is not really the ideal for starting a family but I think they can’t afford the much pricier nice houses that are a bit in the suburbs.
I'm no stan but the right to me doesn't look like fillers, it looks like swelling/moon face from taking corticosteroids or synthetic cortisols. They are often prescribed to people post-surgery, so maybe she had some sort of work done, or a really bad infection where she had to take them otherwise.
But I really doubt either way that they are fillers because it would be like three syringes worth per cheek, to get them that big. She's rich so I don't doubt that she gets fillers (considering her age) but I don't think that the puffy cheeks was her going overboard, probably due to something else.
I was shocked when I saw the thumbnail. I like Bii but in comparison to Taylor she looks like an orange man with fake lips and a wig. I am sorry. Bii please leave the fcking fillers alone and stop fake tanning! Even though she is younger than Taylor, she looks about 10 years older than her.>>23182
Why would she say no to filming with Taylor? She has nearly 1 Million subs which means probably more views/subs for Bii as it is cross-promotion.
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It is a common side effect.
Here is an example from someone on twitter: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3hw9eJWIAY9nbU.jpg
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the lenses and the agyosal shits and the brows up fucking expression she looks like a damn alien
That's a bit of a reach anon.
Look at how many people signed the wall:>>23082
Every single one of them wearing a skirt would've had the same issue as Taylor, you think they all did it for attention too? Many of the people who accidentally got upskirted at that event were legitimately famous people who definitely didn't need it.
The angle of the mirror is like the angled mirrors at shoe stores. Most likely when you're beside it, you just see your own feet and its only from a distance you can see up their skirt.
Just watched the old video "My Mom meets Sharla", and her nose looks much bigger than now? Her "old" nose is small too but the current one is extra small. She has cheek fillers and lenses in the old video so both things would negate visible nose size, but it still looks larger. >>23185
I agree it looks a bit like a reaction to something/to the injection itself.
Why would a gang with such power give little to any shit about a balding, poor, average, rude and unlikeable twat ? What in the world would they get in return, nothing!! There are hundreds of beyond your imagination Russian models in Japan that look 10 billion times better than both Kota and Taylor. Why would they choose Kota to help or promote?
All her jobs had one thing in common, that was that they didn't introduce her by name but rather by " human Barbie". She got her jobs by building connections and because she went viral. Like every fucking living doll did. If she was so important and connected to the gangs why have her jobs been dried up since late 2015? You dear, sound very flustered and assblasted.
>>23205>She got her jobs by building connections and because she went viral.
No. She didn't get her jobs from the yakuza but someone was definitely getting her jobs pre-popteen era and now post popteen. The first jobs she got were from going viral, but the ones that came after in 2013 came via dubious means.>All her jobs had one thing in common, that was that they didn't introduce her by name
A lot of her jobs introduced her by name?>>23202
It was really boring. One thing that struck me is that they both spend money so carelessly. It's their choice I guess (especially Tom) but I can't say I wasn't a little taken aback by him going to the store for nose spray and coming out with over $600 of stuff. I mean even if you're wealthy that seems like conspicuous consumption. The furnishings I understand more but still , you don't need to have every knick-knack in place from the beginning. >>23203
She definitely did. That Rosie video is nightmare fuel. After that weird period, she seemed to have found more of a balance. Still she used programs the different lenses to make her face seem smaller.
Kota did not get her jobs through yakuza connections. She got them because her booker played fast and loose with the truth while promoting her. After Popteen and her year as a TV tarento, whatever she gets now is from the connection she made during that time, especially Popteen. And maybe the yakuza have some control over her talent agency but they have bigger fish to fry than some basic token gaijin.
Tom did not get Taylor jobs. He doesn't have that kind of pull. He has a lot of money from his web platforms but that's not the kind of thing that would get Taylor booked her in fashion. She was also working the most between 2009-2012 way before she even knew Tom. And she worked a lot. Lots of fashion/beauty editorial, campaigns, and catalogue. When she younger especially, she had a good look for it. Her face/figure was very versatile. Shame she threw it away.
So because you are saying that isn't true, everybody has to change their opinions? Who are you? God? At least I have based my opinion on reports who expose the wrong-doings of agencies and the media. There are several media outlets writing about the same stuff that the enteratinment industry of Japan is under the control of the Yakuza. Do you have proofs that this isn't true? Are you really this blinded? The people who are writing about this stuff are journalists who are educated, have studied journalism and did a lot of research on this topic. And then you, a random farmer comes along and says everything is untrue because you said so. Think about it: Kota isn't in her prime anymore. She is chubby and bald and there are hundreds of young and pretty models in Japan right now. So who gets the job for Google? Logically one of the young and pretty models. But that's not the case at all. Big ol' bald Kota gets the job. There is definetely someone helping her out and this person is very powerful. Probably a person with Yakuza connections. And when you think that Kota is a small fish and no Yakuza is actually interested: read the other threads here. There are many gaijins who are modelling, waitressing and whatever but they are in certain circles.
And regarding Taylor. I am not talking about her old self in Hong Kong. She was a successful model on her own right at that time. I am talking about her new self in Japan when she wanted everyone to believe she is a girl boss. Tom did help her out for sure.
Oh ffs, fine maybe she is using yakuza connections now. I don't know. I just mean that she didn't start that way. Back in the day it was definitely Hiroshi from Bravo pulling every trick he had in order to make her into a star. If
there are yakuza connections she probably made them no early than 2015 when she was working as a geinojin.
>I am talking about her new self in Japan when she wanted everyone to believe she is a girl boss. Tom did help her out for sure.
Even with that, he wasn't getting her jobs in fashion. He didn't get her parts in dramas. He doesn't have that kind of influence. He did use his money however to help her make a name for herself online of course and pretty much all of her work in Japan came from that. So in that way he did help her get jobs, I guess. But directly having the kind of connections whoever's backing Kota obviously has, not so much.
In conclusion it's seems:
Taylor has (Tom's) money and media which helped promote her. The fame she achieved helped get her jobs in Japan.
Kota doesn't have money but she does have someone high enough up that basically can hand her things like Fit's (should have been a major stepping stone for her), Babyfang, Rakuten collab, and now a google cm.
We also speculated that Kota didn't have Yakuza connections at the beginning of her career since she didn't have much jobs. It probably started when she got Candy Doll and Popteen but of course we don't know exactly.
I agree Taylor benefited from Tom's money and got the TV role and some other fashion jobs through her agency/castings and not through Tom but I am still not convinced that she got all of her jobs in Japan on her own because apparently he has a beauty company and some anon here once pointed out that Taylor indeed worked for his company a few times. But I can't find the post at the moment..
This constant yakuza Kota talk is coming off like an effort to derail the discussion. Why not discuss the 13 year old swimsuit model recently featured on MC or are we still pretending Taylor's husband's website is just a Chinese version of Maxim?>>23210
He seems to have a lot of connections to the Japanese entertainment industry if you look at the Japanese women who've done exclusive video or photo shoots for his company. Of course, they're mostly porn stars, gravure models, and c-list celebrities, but Taylor's modeling jobs and TV drama appearances in Japan weren't exactly top level work, either. Elbowsan is also quite connected to the car ad industry through his job.
>>23211>It probably started when she got Candy Doll and Popteen but of course we don't know exactly.
I'd go about a year later than that. I remember that she went to some Halloween party in 2015, and some weird Japanese anon who talked a lot about the yakuza connections of models and idols mentioned that all of the talento in the photos with her had yakuza connections and so did she.
>he has a beauty company and some anon here once pointed out that Taylor indeed worked for his company a few times
Absolutely true. The company is Beauty Exchange and any time that Taylor did any work for them, it was through him. But since she probably didn't get paid for it, I'm guessing they saw it as mutually beneficial. HK based Beauty Exchange was promoted by Japan based Taylor on her social media. Beauty Exchange gave Taylor the illusion of being in demand and busy.
you retard and learn to sage
>>23217>>Taylor wants to put the toaster in the cupboard after every use instead of leaving it on the table
How exciting. I'm sure that no one who watches it will be able to remain seated. She should have cut that entire part.
It's weird but I actually prefer this mess she created to her normal makeup. It's clumsy af but the glossy lip, rosy cheeks, and heavier eye makeup suit her better than her everyday Kylie Jenner lipkit look. Not saying this should be worn out or seen by anyone except her bathroom mirror, but there are aspects of it that work.
It definitely makes her look softer.
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The artist is Jacky Files who studied at the institute of the Arts in California. Her art is pretty amateurish/childish but if that's Taylor's taste…ok
Her other work isn't like this imo.
It's sweet, it doesn't need to be anything fancy for an intro.
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I like the Taylor intro, but I would say it's her best work after seeing her Insta>Calarts
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Her art hasn't improved much since her childhood
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It's about Taylors intro, so it's kinda relevant to this thread.
This girl is supposed to be a professional and Taylor hired her. I somehow have the feeling that either Calarts accepts every minimally talented ~artist or she probably lied about her resume. Apparently she was a trainee at South Park. Hmmm…who wants to talk about her in the artists thread because we are derailling? She seems to be a catfish and Taylor fell for her kek
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So, someone asked Tom about one of the sus Mens Club posts on his Instagram and he replied.
It's on this pic:https://www.instagram.com/p/BrQJMWbB0Xa/
Link from the post:https://menclub.hk/mobile/article/article.php?cat=girls&aid=18274
I can't read Chinese so can't confirm what it says either way.
Cow tippers are cringe but lets not fucking act like he doesnt use models who by all other standards than HK break age of consent laws (and from what i saw upthread some of the models are underage even for the HK laws)
You seem more bothered about someone not liking underage models than you do the actual cow tipping lmao
the mens club stuff is weird but if that's been his business for years then he's not going to change it because a kpop account posts a public comment about it being wrong
Still, a Playboy tier website featuring an article about a girl born in 2005 is gross as fuck.>inb4 "B-But they talk about other things on MC, like cars!!!"
It's still a website targeted to adult men. Even if MC was only about cars, even if we ignore the escort service and the underage section, why in the world would an adult man be interested in an article about a child model? Even without referring to her body in the article.
It's creepy and sketchy as hell and it's dumb to pretend otherwise. >>23244
It is a big deal. It's just that some Taylor stan keeps trying to sweep it under the rug.
Google translate is hilariously bad, but here's a translation of some of the comments on the page:
Title of the post is "I don’t want to move my hands 13 years old Model Jemima Robinson"
"Wrong, it’s a fall for you. The 18-year-old is a beautiful girl. It’s actually from Jemima Robinson, who was born in Australia. The canal was born in 2005. It’s only 13 years old this year, even the machine shop has not entered. However, it has already been a well-known swimsuit model, although the figure is gimmick (you want to order at the age of 13), but the victory in the proportion of people is good, still pleasing to the eye!"
"I thought that Li Yun’s 15-year-old swimsuit photo was caught and stunned. According to Jemima’s 13-year-old swimsuit, the photo was degraded and embarrassing! Is it true that the national conditions are the same, the times are the same, and the people are different?"
Even with bad translation, these comments are creepy. NO one shoud be commenting on how the "body proportion" of 13-year-olds is "pleasing to the eye," or that they were "caught and stunned" by a 15-year-old's swimsuit photo but this 13-year-old looks better.
if you're going to cow tip at least have a better smoking gun than "hurr durr you have young looking girls on your site" vs "you promote escorts"
one makes you look like a really fucking retarded sjw moralist
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I'm going to do my best to summarize the situation with Menclub.hk (also known on the web as Menclubhk and simply Menclub). >>22883
I made this post in disgust at people talking about elbowsan's "self-made" career. As far as I know, Taylor's previous work for Menclub has never been a secret, but it wasn't clear until recently that Tom Lip owned the site. >>23085
Tom claims Menclub is only 5 years old, but it's actually 6 years old. archive.org crawled the site in 2012. Most of the early hits say "coming soon," but between Oct and Nov 2012, the site went live. Girls were immediately a section of the site.
At this time, Taylor may have already been working for Beauty Exchange, one of Tom's other sites. There's a post on his FB site dated Dec 16, 2012, where he says "BE girls rock" - there's a thumbnail of a now-deleted Taylor video (the Cinderella one) included in the screenshot.
But Tom MIGHT have asked Taylor to work for menclub first, as he introduces her to Menclub on December 4, 2012 (see attached screenshot). The Menclub site is only 2 months old (tops) at this point. She was part of the original promotion for the site, which in turn promoted her social media and website.
On February 14, 2013, Taylor announces to Apple Daily that she is single, and the online magazine prints an article about it. This is promoted on the same day by Menclub.hk (on their website and on their FB page). Menclub asks their audience if they have the balls to date Taylor.
Menclub continues to promote Taylor with somewhat salacious posts:>>22921https://www.facebook.com/menclub.hk/photos/a.153530161435047/497297700391623/?type=3&theater
(showing Taylor's upskirt photos to their audience)
Taylor did at least three videos for Menclub. One can still be found (the robotic Happy Chinese New Year one):
The other two are:
a Christmas greeting (can't find it)
an interview (https://prettyuglylittleliar.net/uploads/monthly_2018_11/Screen_Shot_2018-11-24_at_2.38.51_PM.png.45191aee95e559b224e6d57834cb9a41.png
I remember other content, but it seems to be deleted now. Many things were removed after she announced that she had a boyfriend.
Menclub itself seems to be a bit like Maxim, but people are upset about it because girls under 16 appear on the site. There's an entire section of "under 18" content. Recently Jasmine Hendricks, a 13yo model, was featured in a bikini in their "girls" section, and her body was discussed (no matter what Tom says, it was actually mentioned in the text). Menclub seems to exist primarily to ogle girls, but yes, there are other sections about cars and liquor, just like Playboy has some articles.
There are allegations that the private area of Menclub hides an escort or sugaring service, as private members must provide personal information, including their salary, in order to gain entry. None of this has been proven, however.
Someone cow-tipped and confronted Tom on Instagram. He has posted a pretty stunningly obtuse defense of his company's behavior, and subtly threatened the poster for making slanderous allegations against his company. All of the posts by this cowtipper have been deleted, and only Tom's defense now remains.
Here's the screenshot of his post alleging that the cowtipper is saying false things that will have "serious consequences": https://prettyuglylittleliar.net/uploads/monthly_2018_12/Screenshot_20181211-144526_(1)_-_Copy.jpg.dc1e3561a5bf5cd3aac7a1c6b4728ade.jpg
Whether or not cowtipping is condoned, the threat is pretty funny.
I think that's it for now.
I forgot to mention that there are other dodgy posts about Taylor left on the Menclub FB site. I don't think it's necessary to link them all. The comments are often sexual.
Taylor surely did not mind this type of attention, as her Menclub interview was promoted by her on her FB site with a wink kaomoji. She also had tweeted about her interviews and greetings / videos. These were deleted a year or two ago.
Great write up anon.
Just to let you, Beauty Exchange seems to predate Menclub by a several month. Her Beauty Exchange video was a Sailor Moon hair tutorial posted in September.
I can't prove it at this point. I'll try to find some trace of the link to menclub, though.>>23255
Really? I think I was pretty objective about what I found. People wanted a summary post, so I wrote it up. >>23257
Thanks anon, I suspected she worked for BE first and just didn't bother to confirm it.
I was thinking earlier about the escort thing.
Elbow earns at least $10k a month, based on the apparent price of his new house and the frivolous spending (whoops I just got a Switch and some gaming gear while I was looking for nose spray)
How does he earn money? Does he get a cut of each escort introduction, or is the membership price so high? Can anyone figure out any part of his business that clearly makes money other than that? Ad sales on menclub? The beauty business? I haven't done much research other than looking at the website, I would love if it wasn't mainly for escorting or potentially naked photoshoots of teen models in the "member section"
Btw not trying to imply anything illegal was going on, I'm sure everything is legal. It's just Shady to fund you and your wife's lifestyle off the back of other women/potential sugaring/unknown.
We need a rich Chinese man to join MenClub and report back.
However he earns money via MenClub, you're aware that he has other businesses and assets, right? And likely has stocks, probably invests in BTC, and other shit that funds their lifestyle.
Everyone's so hard up on MenClub like it's funding Taylor 100%.
I messed up the name of the 13yo bikini model. It's Jemima Robinson.>>23261
Oh, then i honestly misunderstood him. That post is basically written in dogespeak and probably represents his actual level of English. "u r doing a serious wrong and misleading accuse"
Also smooth of him to deny the presence of underage girls on his site. Just a couple examples:https://menclub.hk/mobile/article/article.php?cat=girls&aid=5507https://www.menclub.hk/mobile/article/article.php?cat=n&aid=17871
Correct me if I am wrong, but I didn't see a dedicated section for underage girls. Just posts about underage girls and their nearly nude pictures sprinkled in the "Girls" section.
There are high school students profiled on there, as >>22899
and other posts here mentioned.
I think people find it amusing that wholesome Taylor who would never pose in a bikini (wrong) would be with a guy pushing this kind of content under the slogan 'be a better man.' She had 0 problem being associated with sleaze and winking about her single status when it benefited her. Maybe she could ask elbowsan to make his "girls" page more inclusive. omg what about trans models or squeal
drag queens?! Or omg omg what about women old enough to vote
I think she is so materialistic she wouldn't care how he earned his money. I didn't think he was funding her until the last few weeks of content when it became $very $obvious the spending exceeded her Youtube income.>>23264
Pretty much what I was asking; if anyone had any leads on alternate sources. It's hard to match the wholesome taylor image up with that money source. Elbow seems like an OK guy so all signs point to it not being the 100% source of money, but it's still, eh. Uncomfortable.
As the CEO, does Elbow-san approve all of this content or is he an absent partner? How do we know he's the one OK-ing the underaged girls?
The CEO of my business doesn't have her hands in the day-to-day aspects of our company nor does she overlook everything.
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She wasn't underage. She's just one of the those nymphet bloggers.https://lvangel69.tumblr.com/>>23269
We don't. Since he runs 3 or 4 businesses, it's likely he doesn't, but he should still take responsibility for it imo. Issue a statement. Stop posting girls younger than 18 and remove previously posted underage content. And most of all, address everything head on, because at the moment this is spiraling out of control with speculation.
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Once you have a decent amount of money, money makes money on its own through investments. He also owns many businesses (4 or 5? They did say how many in a video at some point) and he's apparently started and sold some too, so its not like he is relying solely on MensClub to fund their lifestyle. He has other more obvious money makers like a digital marketing company.
Pic is Tom's latest comments on the issue. For everyone wondering what the VIP sessions are about. Seems like its just a way for rich men with fragile male egos to meet up and do "manly" stuff.
Yes, the pictures of young girls are gross and creepy and clash strongly with Taylor's image, but y'all are wilding acting like Elbow is some kind of pedophile hooker kingpin.
Thanks for the summary anon. It makes things a lot clearer. Hopefully people keep screens so things are archived. They're probably on a deleting spree.>>23271>VIP membership was just to meet up with other rich men doing things with men>have an open mind>might cross the line
Yeah. Totally what other rich men are looking for when they landed on a website with such innocent content.
To be fair, he's a shrewd businessman, not an idiot. He's not going to admit if escorts or any kind of legal or illegal salacious content is involved in the paid section. Although he didn't actually deny anything if you carefully read his response.
While the escorts are just speculation, we know he doesn't think there's anything wrong with the underage content on MC by his response to >>23239
The girls section was part of MC since it's inception ( >>23251
), so it was always meant to be a big feature of the website. He also admitted to seeking out Taylor for work, so he was actively involved in the content of his websites for at least some time. He was also attracted to dolly Taylor and she dressed and acted like a little girl for the MC work he gave her.
Wow. Google Translate is really something else.
Title: Look Only, Don't Touch (essentially See See No Touch), 13 Year Old Model Jemima Robinson
>Although 2005 is thirteen years ago, I'm sure everyone remembers what they were doing then: those born after the 70s supposedly working towards their careers, 80s-90s probably still in school, as for the millennials? Half of them in diapers and the other half weren't even made yet. And as for the model we are introducing today, she was just born!>That's right, this beauty that looks to be 18-19 years old is actually Jemima Robinson from Australia. She was born in 2005, making her only 13 years old this year. Although she cannot enter arcades yet, she is an established swimwear model. Although you can't say much about her figure (she's only 13, what did you expect), but she is beautiful and is has good body proportions, which is still pleasing to the eye.>Back then, when 15-year-old model Li Yun took swimwear photos, they took it to the courts, but now 13-year-old Jemima Robinson takes swimwear photos and there is nothing to it. Is it due to cultural differences, the times, or just the people?
Sorry, noticed some grammatical errors and tried to fix them.
I don't get why you would need a vip section for something like car gathering and wine tasting. Since this section is for super wealthy men, they would already have those things at their finger tips?
A vip section with no description of what it would be for someone to sign up is super suspicious. A normal vip section would advertise what it includes, wouldn't it?
I'm surprised he has even replied to these comments, honestly. Great milk. It was a mistake for Taylor to push him to get social media.
I don't think the idea is that it's for "super wealthy" men, just anyone who can afford it for which there is obviously an arbitrary cut off number
But it makes it sound more exclusive and desirable to require you to submit your income. It then seems like you'll be hobknobbing with the elite (instead of guys like you with a little extra cash). The same is true for why the actual activities aren't listed in the description. Mystery breeds interest and again makes it seem like a super elite secret society.
Good marketing tbh.
Sorry. I meantisn't
an arbitrary cut off number.
This form works exactly like any other gateway to sex services. Asking for income, what they're looking for, and offering discretion and privacy in return.>>23262>$10k a month
North of 50k.
I wonder if he is looking for more """models""" for his site. Instagram is full of such models, on constant paid-for "vacations" with pages of bootyshots in bikinis.
It's interesting he is so public on Instagram but not on video/Youtube. Maybe because it's in English he doesn't think it identifies him to people from Hong Kong/China? >>23280
Agreed, I think that is quite blatant. Men aren't filling out forms like these to go to wine-tasting sessions.
This is the exact thing playing on my mind about this. All those cute clothing hauls, ikea shopping trips, international trips = paid for by what? >>23283
I thought this link was really great and I advise people read it. They even refer to the prostitution ring as a "men's club"
she doesn't buy that much designer shit though. If you listen to what she says she's wearing, it's all Zara, Topshop, etc. Like cheap shit. I wish she'd pay more for something and then just keep wearing it.>>23292
Do you know what a men's club is? Like of course they called it a men's club. Of course Tom's page is call men's club. Doesn't mean shit.
American politics are a men's club, doesn't mean there's escorting… oh wait.
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True that she buys cheap but extremely often
. All those "small" purchases add up.
I never understood her fuck ton of small purchases of random clothing. She almost always wore the same jeans and rather bland looking tops. It never made sense to me why she even bothered buying new stuff she was never going to wear in the first place. Also, if she did wear it was generally only once. Her more expensive stuff tends to be more her accessories ( ie : bags, sunglasses, jewellery, makeup ), which are mostly purchased gifts from her husband.
She posted on IG story a picture of a survey with one of the questions being something along the lines of "who spends/shops the most" and it was marked as "Taylor". She's probably happy to be married now and have joint banking and finances. ( more money to spend and a husband that probably doesn't care because it hardly puts a dent in his pocket )
Her whole family agreed that Tom is the one who spends the most, and honestly seeing that he just casually bought a Nintendo Switch, I can see that.
I still don't see what is the problem with her spending habits, she clearly has the income for it and she's not flaunting it so what really is the problem here? Should she really just leave her money in her bank account?
I doubt a CEO would be the one searching for new models for anything, there are other employees who do that. He has many other businesses too, so he would probably be too busy? Maybe he just likes to post on instagram and be a part of Taylors thing, and he likes the attention and interaction?>>23296
The hate boner is too strong I guess. The only "problem" I have is that I wish she would buy more ethical pieces and not from sweat shop stores, since she does have the money, but that is just a small nitpick. It would be great if she would influence her younger viewers to start shopping ethically and to stray away from consumerism, but I doubt it would be happening soon, since she seems to love shopping, but I have hope!
As for that, I honestly think we are just buying what she shows on camera.
On vlogs she likes to sort of pass this image of "accessible" by showing her pimps, and having a more bland wardrobe, wearing the same old jeans.
But we don't know, maybe she does wear expensive stuff, and even those constant smaller purchases.
If she's not entirely what we see on camera, why would that be?
Because she vlogs almost every day and we see what she's wearing? Do you have some conspiracy theory in which whenever the camera is off she changes into $10k outfits? Especially when we saw what she wore at her "wedding", bridal shower and birthday. If you are secretly wearing expensive brands, those are the kind of events where you'd wear them, but she doesn't. Taylor really likes fast fashion, which isn't great in itself.
Is her spending normal? Probably not. She always has so much stuff with the tags still on, she has a full closet just with Christmas sweaters. It is
excessive, and I don't think it's becoming of someone who is 30 and should've found their style.
But it's not like she has couture dresses delivered to her doorstep every morning. She spends a lot, but not so much that she couldn't afford it.>>23295
Why do you just assume that they have a joint bank account? It's not like you get married and suddenly your finances are magically merged.
I think Taylor is annoying, but you guys are just reaching.
>>23293>Do you know what a men's club is? Like of course they called it a men's club. Of course Tom's page is call men's club. Doesn't mean shit.
I'm sorry to break it to you but that 'members only' section almost certainly involves escorting. This is how it's often done with higher-end escorting services. The magazine or website functions in part as a catalogue of escorts and there's a member's only forum for the men who fuck them.>>23299>If she's not entirely what we see on camera, why would that be?
Because she's a fucking internet celebrity who's trying to maximize attention and profit. Everybody with a vlog is putting on an act; are zoomers really so fucking stupid that they can't understand that? Taylor R and whatever other random idiots you follow are not your friends and are not being sincere to their viewers. They're making it seem as such so that watching their videos triggers
a 'this is my friend' response in mentally-stunted kids and teens, who then proceed to consume their boring ass content. Jesus Christ
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I just wanted to point out that just because there's a prostitution ring that's characterised as a men's club doesn't mean that everything called men's club is a prostitution ring. It's called logic.
Of course she's not her most authentic self on YT, but you guys seem to be so disappointed with how boring she is that you have to make up stuff.>Plastic surgery>Actual escort>She only married Tom so she can sustain her cheap shit shopping addiction
>>Of course she's not her most authentic self on YT, but you guys seem to be so disappointed with how boring she is that you have to make up stuff.
So you are omniscient or what do you want to say with that message? Of course we don't know 100% if she has done this or that or whatever, but this is a gossip site where we gather information and make observations. Then we try to make connections.
>Plastic surgery>Actual escort>She only married Tom so she can sustain her cheap shit shopping addiction
Do you have any proof that these points aren't true? No? So you better start doing so or shut your mouth and don't act like you are god. Other anons did make great points why she had fillers in her cheeks and they make a lot of sense. There was an idiot anon trying to make some counterarguments but failed miserably because she literally repeated things parrot-fashion and thought nobody will notice it >>23196
And the fact that men's club has no transparency makes that site very very shady. If that site has nothing to hide, why wouldn't Tom make it a special club for rich men and their forum only available for their members? It could be literally everything from escorting to dating site to finding new pen pals. But since there are only rich men allowed and everything is exclusive and behind closed doors, I think the speculations are justified.
Only for the last point I'll give a pass because we have no evidence at all. It could be real love. It could be pure calculation too.
Oh and btw I think you sound a lot like that anon who ranted about Taylors privacy on Pull. They suspected you to a friend of hers or a family member. Just my thoughts.
Samefag I did a mistake
>And the fact that men's club has no transparency makes that site very very shady. If that site has nothing to hide, why would Tom make it a special club for rich men and their forum only available for their members?
Now it makes more sense
>>23304>Taylor R and whatever other random idiots you follow are not your friends and are not being sincere to their viewers
Agreed. She is always on max customer service mode, which is one reason why I watch. Everything super palatable, innocuous, friendly happy. I'm sure there are crazy expensive items hidden in closets, screaming fits, depression and illness but she just hops offline when those things happen. I never really get the "this is my friend" affect. It's more like playing a videogame and my character is Taylor? But I know the friend illusion is a common response to Youtubers.
I thought the beginning of the birthday moping video was a reference to PULL and lolcow, did anyone notice that? She talks about "lies" and how some rumours are partly true but she doesn't care. Maybe a ref to the MenClub reveal.
>The magazine or website functions in part as a catalogue of escorts
This is exactly how I see it. I think there's no denying that's what's happening. It'd be illogical to have a public site full of sexy girls and the private site is for…wine tasting?!
Not that anon but I think what he meant with>actual escort
was people tinfoiling that Taylor was an actual escort for the site before dating Tom, which honestly sounds more like a Kota sperg than actual speculation. Like, the site is an obvious escourting site but saying she was one is such a reach.
Also, I do think she married Ewbow ~out of love~ simply because if she really wanted she could catch bigger, more attractive fish in Asia and it's also not like their personalities don't match either.
Not that anon but I think what he meant with>actual escort
was people tinfoiling that Taylor was an actual escort for the site before dating Tom, which honestly sounds more like a Kota sperg than actual speculation. Like, the site is an obvious escourting site but saying she was one is such a reach.
Also, I do think she married Ewbow ~out of love~ simply because if she really wanted she could catch bigger, more attractive fish in Asia and it's also not like their personalities don't match either.
Not that anon but I think what he meant with>actual escort
was people tinfoiling that Taylor was an actual escort for the site before dating Tom, which honestly sounds more like a Kota sperg than actual speculation. Like, the site is an obvious escourting site but saying she was one is such a reach.
Also, I do think she married Ewbow ~out of love~ simply because if she really wanted she could catch bigger, more attractive fish in Asia and it's also not like their personalities don't match either.
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That's how you do business anon. It also strokes the rich man ego
, since all the poor peasants can't afford
to assess the site. I'm shocked how people are surprised by this and soon as dude said he liked Tay doll style, it already showed his taste.
And thats like the only post I’ve ever made in this thread but ok.
He's deleted all related comments and his replies. I'm surprised he kept responding in the first place. >>23320
He's a big shot businessman and his hobby is showing off his bathtub and keyboard playing to little girls?
Screencap this stuff next time, I'm not gonna trawl through his insta. Also don't cow-tip
I can't believe how obvious it has become that he's the sugar daddy now, the way Taylor talks about money and handles the comments on the Voox sponsored video. And she hid whatever else was in the box which was suspicious.
Also please note the edited "song" where he repeats designer names while she models her new clothes.
She will lose fans if she keeps making it this obvious.
I don't think she hid what was in the box, I thought she modeled them in the video?
I think we all know that Tom is super rich, but in the recent video of Taylor driving around her childhood home, she obviously lived in an affluent neighborhood. She comes from money as well. She's being pretty obvious about it now.
Stop being paranoid
Now that she's move back she'll get even more boring. Her vlogs with her family is a snooze fest.
Yes exactly, we've gone from "model" Taylor who lived in Japan to Housewife Taylor who lives in Canada and is gonna have a baby. To me having a sugar daddy and being a housewife is not aspirational. >>23338
At least when she was a working model we could imagine she got her money from her actual work and not just being bankrolled by someone else.
Basically she needs a new job as a cover for all the spending, because currently being a bankrolled housewife and later, bankrolled mommy, is boring and not aspirational at all.
Most people who splash the cash have some sort of job (model, makeup business, whatever) so this is really required if we are gonna progress from this status.
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>basically she needs a new job as a cover for all her spending
No. She should own her shit and just be honest, and those that would still be bitching after she owns up to it are likely the ones that only bitch out of jealousy. However, at the moment anons are just annoyed at her pretending to be an "average" level income with no clue what wealth is. It's just as stupid as someone pretending to be ghetto despite growing up in the subs. Plus I'm pretty sure her youtube is making more money than her modelling career ever really did. I know that social blade isn't accurate, but it gives a rough estimate. At this point, I think we can say that her youtube is covering all her spending habits. Not like she's covering any of the big expenses house-wise.
Also, when she moved to Japan she has only had like 7-8 jobs in total for modelling when there. She hasn't done a whole lot of modelling since like late 2013. I will always cringe at anons saying her modelling could support her living and spending habits while in Japan. No. She also started the kawaii trend in late/mid-2012 which was probably when she started becoming pickier about jobs. Which is something she admitted to in a vlog, that she started refusing jobs that didn't fit her cutesy aesthetic.
Sure, the more expensive designer stuff would be on his credit card.(YLS bags, Chanel,5k earrings,ect) Taylor is usually buying basic bitch fast fashion though. I've seen her social blade for other months as well and it usually was 1.2-2mil views which is still decent. What do you think she spends her money on? Clearly, not any bills as it def wouldn't cover those lol but can cover her generic cheap clothing.
I've seen some Youtubers talk about 1mil = 5,000$ and wouldn't be surprised if that is roughly what she makes a month. That's 5k to freely spend a month. You have to also take into account that she has a shit ton of videos also collecting views. This also doesn't cover when she does small brand deals/ads. I will admit though that there is a likely chance that they have a bank account they share for home decor and daily living expenses. ( maybe to make her feel like she's contributing )
$5,000 a month is a gross overestimation. According to research by Offenburg University, youtubers with average 1.4 million monthly views make less than $16,800 USD a year today. NYT also reported it was 1mil=$2,000 before tax and youtube's %45 cut four years go. The quality of ads, use of ad-blockers, etc also affects revenue.
Why ‘Success’ on YouTube Still Means a Life of Poverty: http://fortune.com/2018/02/27/youtube-success-poverty-wages/
Don't forget the money that needs to go into the video. It's unlikely she makes enough to even live frugally on her own. Also, fast fashion and cafe trips add up.
Not only proudly displays logo on the cake and the car, but also she deletes all the comments related to it. She definitely heard of the whole 13 year old girl drama, and yet she never told him it’s freaking wrong. She was model herself, so she should know best.
I doubt her whole ‘I was innocent model, didn’t want to do bikini/underwear shots’ image was even true. I know she wouldn’t bother to look at him if he wasn’t rich so I’m pretty sure her ‘career’ was through his bed.
If you’re from Hong Kong she wasn’t as successful as she wants everyone to think, I know plenty of Eastern European models in HK and they have much larger portfolio and better offers than her. The biggest thing I could remember her from was a Nokia commercial, that’s it.
The rest was just normal shots to newspapers etc. - without his help her career would fade away, sleeping with this disgusting old man was the best decision of her life and helped her in her life. You think why for so many years she catered to his favorite Lolita style? Why she made herself look like a teen? Because that’s what he likes, clearly he is fine with young girls next to porn stars on his website.
She is not as nice and innocent as she wants us to believe, I will not look at her the same way as I did before. I knew their relationship was bit sketchy but I would never think she could know how disturbing he is and still marry him. It only shows her true colors.
Taylor does not, and has never, known who she is. She just hops on whatever flavor of the month is popular at the moment, hoping she’ll go viral. It always backfires and makes her look incredibly cringy though. I unsubbed from her yesterday after being a long time viewer. Her faux-relatable act is getting really tired, and I’m tired of her stupid clickbait gimmicks. The Men’s Club “scandal” whatever you want to call it was the cherry on top though. I basically have zero respect for her now, and she’s strayed so far from the content I originally loved her for and followed for. I also could give a fuck less about her upcoming pregnancy/baby bullshit. She’s just going to become an obnoxious mommy blogger/trophy housewife and that’s all she’s ever going to be. She seems to think that 30 is so old and that now’s the time to settle down and grow up, when it’s the complete opposite. It really shows in her content though, she has completely 100% given up. She should prepare herself to lose a giant chunk of her subscriber base when she gets pregnant.
Sage for no one cares and blogpost
Shit, it's that bad? So she really isn't affording much of anything besides her phone bill and a couple parcels. I'm almost wondering now if she has been getting an allowance from Tom. >>23355
How often is that even? It feels like she doesn't really get a whole lot of sponsorships.
If I remember right, she had one earlier this month & didn't even mark it as a sponsored video like she is required to, so I wouldn't be surprised if she has avoided mentioning other sponsors.
That said, I doubt she is making enough to support herself. Maybe when she was also modeling, but no way is she now. Tom likely pays for almost everything.
Agreed, I have no idea why she thinks she's washed up and ancient now at 30- there's plenty of working models, she could start a business, mentor people, make the website she's been saying she'll make for a year now. She's not unintelligent, she can write, edit, present, and model, and probably more (SEO/web advertising/content promotion)
But she just wants to have a baby or two and be a mommy vlogger. I think she feels left out from her sisters & friends but she'll look back at 40 and wish she didn't throw in the towel this quick.
Her average views per video is 100K-200K and she doesn't upload regularly. She can't charge that much, especially for small sponsors and Beauty Exchange & MC were responsible for many of her sponsored videos in the past. Then subtract tax and other fees/deductions.
Social Blade says Taylor lost over 1,000 subscribers on Dec 14. What happened? Since then, she's gained almost 6,000 subscribers.
youtube purged a lot of fake accounts recently, that could be why.
That was also the day she posted the tattoo video though, so maybe the clickbait pissed a lot of people off.
They're not angry enough to be Kiki. If they were screeching about her being a hoe sucking that rich dick for money, then yes it would be Kiki sounding. >>23366
I haven't watched any of her vlogs in quite some time, are they really doing that bad ?
Didn't know my post reads like Kiki. I guess I have to improve my language skills >>23368
If you go back to sperg chan's thread, you'll see that she sometimes wrote pretty ordinary posts which I've never guessed to be Kiki. Of course there were some very hateful ones in between but it could be possible that she's writing with us here right now and flying under the radar. Some comments here which suggest Taylor was an escort/prostitute and Tom a pedo and goes regularly to prostitutes are suspicious though and a complete reach.
Do you know how many years Taylor has lived in Honk Kong and Japan?
People are always saying Kota is lazy af which she certainly is but regarding language skills Kota is miles ahead of Taylor. If I was Taylor, I would be ashamed of my inability of speaking Chinese. I don't know if she's just lazy or stupid but she certainly doesn't value the opportunities which were given to her. She has a very privileged mindset if she really thinks she doesn't need to learn Chinese now that her second residence is in Hong Kong and her husband is Chinese. Tom had to learn English in order to communicate with her although she was living in Hong Kong.
Now I sound like Kiki for real kek
Instead of learning any of the languages to the places she lived she just hired a translator to teach her to say a couple sentences for videos. ( And then claim she could speak the language at the time ) I'll never understand why she won't attempt to learn any Chinese though. Her communication with Tom seems so limited, I just imagine their conversations are of like that of cave people. " No" "yes" "Food" "BABE" "Hunger" "Sex" "Sleeep" ( I'm being over exaggerative but he does seem to struggle a lot with finding the words to respond )
When she does have a child I think she is going to really struggle with Youtube. Hard to edit for 6 hours straight or vlog every second. I highly doubt Tom will be giving up much work hours due to being the one that is the main income. Plus having an infant makes it hard to do lengthy DIYs or hours of shopping. I could also see her having a meltdown if her body doesn't completely snap back into shape.
This seems like a witch hunt. It's ok to write your thoughts here on lolcow but Taylor isn't expose-worthy imo. She's like any other fame and money hungry women. We don't know if she's okay with his behaviour, maybe Tom and her are fighting over it, who knows. The cake with the MC logo and the fact that she married him speaks against her on the other hand. Idk. Tom is maybe expose-worthy but you need more proof. Saying in a video that he is a pedo or whatever is defamation. You can only argue that he doesn't care about the rights of children and exploiting them for his gain. And all the cowtipping is seriously dumb and unnecessary.>>23382
She said that in a video. Do you think I made this up? There are also some childhood pics she showed where you can see it's not only a little bit chub.
I can't see her hiring a full-time nanny. Also, I feel like her fans that are right up her ass would rip her a new one for hiring a nanny just so she can live carefree. She's in the public eye and films everything, in other words, people will constantly be looking for things to judge her for. Anyways, I can't see Taylor being that self-absorbed and vain that even her own child comes second to shopping and beauty. She'll probably return the era where she never left her house and was just mopping about. Besides, isn't her regular upload rate like once or twice a week? >>23387
It's actually possible knowing all the other retarded things she's hired people to do for her. Her assistant is shit and even shittier at filming, which leads me to believe she probably would hire a shitty editor for cheap.
Would Taylor even care?
She is guaranteed money and is slowly building her fame. The number of women married to wealthy womanizers never really seem to care about love but rather just the cash and vanity.
To my fellow anons, because I'm curious about others opinions. Can you eventually look past someone's ugly appearance and learn to love them? Including the lack of communication as well. Also, as I recall from old vlogs he's gone for long periods of time due to business.
If I'm not physically attracted to someone, I'm not physically attracted to them. No amount of money, emotion connection, or romcom cliche will change that, so no I couldn't be in a relationship with them.
But hey, maybe I'm just shallow lol
Honestly I never take appearance into account. Like sure, i'm vain when it comes to myself, i'm into cosmetics, fashion etc but when it comes to a partner, my criteria is solely based on my mental and emotional connection to that person, which obviously depends on their personality traits, character, values etc. For me, love and relationships is a mental thing, I don't really think about the physical aspects and I seldom find men "physically attractive" (because my attraction is based on other things so "good looks" don't tend to catch my attention).
I can't tell from her videos how shallow and superficial Taylor truly is. Like obviously she seems extremely privileged and that might suggest that she has some gold-digging tendencies ingrained in her, but idk her husband is kinda endearing and I could see him being a good choice for a life partner considering he's hardworking, well-travelled, experienced in industry and in his personal life (so he can probably manage his relationships well). These are definitely the types of things that would be important in a husband, especially if I was older/Taylor's age.
>Can you eventually look past someone's ugly appearance and learn to love them?
I tried 2 times and failed 2 times. I wasn't sexually attracted to my last boyfriends at all but they had 'good characters'. So I didn't want to be superficial and gave them a chance. But everytime I sensed a slightly negative thing about them like them being messy or farting in front me in full blast, I felt disgusted and I asked myself: why am I together with him? If I was attracted to the guy, I wouldn't mind at all and would just laugh about it. Even if he was rich af, I couldn't pretend to be attracted to him. I'm not that desperate.
So in my opinion you can't learn to love somebody you aren't attracted to because their minor flaws will always appear huge to you.(Blogposting)
If you truly think that Kota hasn't
fucked someone for jobs at this point, I don't know what to say. It's the only explanation for her career regardless of what Taylor has or hasn't done.
She would have been back home years ago otherwise, probably after her first failed six months.
And hey at least Taylor had a good 6-7 years of model work before she met Tom. And was originally able to get signed without having to catfish.
She had some kind of bizarre quarter life crisis when she got to her mid twenties and was infected by the kawaii plague but before that she was just a normal pretty model.
I didn’t say Kota didn’t do those thing , but if even 5% of what we know about Taylor came to light about Kota we wouldn’t see the end of it .. for he most part Kota also is almost not posting anything anymore and tylor is very active … what I’m trying to say it’s since everybody is salty that is not Kota who was found out , they won’t allow any discussion about tylor.
Even defending they’re disgusting website.
Who is defending that website?
Also please type sage in the email field, it stops the thread from being bumped with your non-milk
People aren't shutting down conversation about Taylor because they are salty about Kota. It's just annoying because newfags keep coming in and bumping the thread with no milk. If Taylor for example, makes a video addressing MC that
is milk. Or if she posts a new video, picture, inst-story. If she gets pregnant. Milk.
People claiming that she's an escort, or writing long spergy paragraphs about how she's not real
; That's not milk.
Right now what we have is a lot of conjecture, blown up into the most sensationalistic extremes by a-logging morons. Which is all welcome when it's saged.
Your post for example should be saged because it's just you whining about shit and contributes nothing new or interesting to this thread.
Wtf are you talking about? There are constantly people defending Kota and shitting up that thread. Look right now. There is a massive post defending her most recent lukewarm efforts.
For fucks sake there were posts defending her when she lied about having cancer last year.
Both Kota and Taylor have their defenders.
Why do I feel like the phrase "both kota and Taylor come here to defend themselves" coukd also be true? We alreasy know both Kiki and Dakota come here to stan themselves and each other and
to keep tabs on Taylor. Plus, it's not impossible that Taylor comes here too, she's had threads on the site as long as kota has.
Wishful thinking anon. Taylor has never been shown to have those kind of tendencies. She seems to prefer burying her head in the sand instead of confronting her problems. Even on her own social media she ignores things until she absolutely can't avoid addressing them.
Kota and Kaka are much more overtly confrontational. And tbh just much nastier personality wise.
Girl pictures and videos in that men's club webpage are just some normal gravure idols, what you can see everywhere in Japan, Korea & China. Gravure images can look quite shady to western eyes, because of their young models, but it's totally legit business in that part of the world.
I copypasted this definition from wikipedia:
"Gravure idols appear in a wide range of photography styles and genres. Their photos are largely aimed at male audiences with poses or activities intended to be provocative or suggestive, generally accentuated by an air of playfulness and innocence rather than aggressive sexuality. Although gravure idols may sometimes wear clothing that exposes most of their body, they seldom appear fully nude.
Gravure idols may be as young as pre-teen age up to early thirties. In addition to appearing in mainstream magazines, gravure idols often release their own professional photobooks and DVDs for their fans. Many popular female idols in Japan launched their careers by starting out as gravure idols."
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It's common knowledge that Japan, China and Korea are somewhat kinkier on sexual matters than western countries.
Funny thing about that. It's actually 18 and a 26 year old woman was just arrested for having a "sleepover" with a 16-year old.
And if you think it isn't shady in Asian eyes just because it's legal, I have a bridge to sell you…
just because you just figured out gravure is a thing because its related to taylor now youre upset? get your moralfagging out of here.
gravure makes girls money and often launches their careers, see akb48
You can go fuck yourself if you think just because something is legal means it’s Alright morally. Yeah you can buy photo books of 5 year olds in bikinis taking baths and that’s “legal” possession of child porn was legal in Jpn until a few years ago. Neither of these are ok. Stop being a gross weeb. Some of us actually detest this stuff and fight against it. >>23413
you must be truly pathetic to believe random sexpat pandering memes. Have fun on your trip to Thailand. Scrot
>>23416>gravure makes girls money and often launches their careers
cool motive, still pedo pin-up
and you fuck off. I don't give a shit about someone who looks like PULL would obsess over. You retards keep bumping the thread.
Well no it's not "pedo" unless they are prepubescent. I wish that morons like you would stop throwing that term around so casually. It diminishes the significance of the actual term when you use it like that for things that are objectively not "pedo".
So if you like "ephebo" pinup.
Why do you act like some child savior lmao
More often than not these girls want to do gravure so why are you trying to be full on sjw and ‘save them’ by trying to harpoon some guy who isn’t even the head of the gravure industry? Sounds like you have a white savior complex tbh
lol it hasn't been in auto-sage for a month>>22938
Maybe don't try to patronize when it makes you look like said retard, sweetie.
Nope, not a gotcha. It's a funny contrast to Elbow's motivational q&a's and comments about how tasteful his work is and some of these risque videos have been deleted from his channel and saved elsewhere. Never claimed it was an under-18 video because I thought it was obvious it wasn't, and that's why it was sagged. Then someone dropped in to explain "gravure" for the 100th time for whatever reason, which triggered >>23412
, who triggered
… Anyway, sorry guys.
But that's the thing it's not risque at all. I've seen more risque things on daytime tv. It's also still up on the official youtube channel along with rest of those videos, so your other point about deleting things is just wrong.
Also not sure how this is a contrast. Motivated business-people can still do sleazy things. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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just a couple interesting old pics I found
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The other girl was clearly instructed to do a different kind of pose. Contrast for visual interest. Tay is slouching forward. The other girl is leaning back.
The photographer/art director decides what they want and the models execute it. It's not their decision.
How is it stanning to point out the logistics of a fucking photoshoot?
You sound like a massive sperg.
The site fucked up you sperg. I deleted the extras. You still don't seem to know how an editorial shoot works.>The other girl is also doing the same pose in the first picture but taylor looks like she has a buffalo hump tf
And apparently you're blind.
>>23445>what are you going to do? sue me cause I don't like it?
No. You're entitled to not like it. I don't particularly like it myself. But it's what the photographer/art director wanted.>pussy lickers
And now you just sound like Kaka.
You are too stupid to exist.
No one glorifying Taylor. We are trying to explain that as a working model (which she was at the time that she did this shoot because it's old) she doesn't get to decide how she poses. And considering that posing is a slouch it's related to her posture. You can't slouch and have "good posture". They are polar opposites. You can say that she has bad posture in her everyday life and I'd agree, but that's not applicable in an editorial photoshoot where she's been instructed to slouch with a concave back.
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For love of God, can someone teach this girl how to hold chopsticks? 10 years in Asia, and she hasn’t learn any new language nor even how to hold chopsticks properly.
Nah the anon who posted >>23437
is a Kota stan obviously. Read the posts below and you'll see. And the blog is about exposing people like Kota, so they can't be the same people at all.
I've seen this argument made on PULL as well and tbh I never thought she was trying to be an "expert". She usually tries to introduce people who actually know what they are talking about when it comes to cultural stuff. She's pretty humble about her knowledge or usually lack there of. Compared to Miranda, Rachel, Mimei etc she definitely doesn't come off like a know it all.
I just think that some people are so far into "bitch eating crackers" territory with her that they take offense at everything she does.
I mean why does it matter to you that she says she likes learning new things? And given that she's lived abroad for 10 years voluntarily, I would say that she does enjoy different cultures.
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Just so you know, we are here to observe, not to intervene with the cow's lives or to cowtip.
I'm interested of what will come out of this, though
Holy shit, people! Don't you believe in bad karma? Sooner or later justice would have happened but intervening with a cows life? Really?!
Now Taylor has no other choice but to address all of this. Apologize and delete all of this disgusting stuff on MC. But I doubt it will happen since it's Toms' website and Taylor has no say how he has to lead his business. If one of those big thirsty drama channels see this, it's over for her and his career and reputation.
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What is going on with her cheeks? They look super weird in the first bit of her newest vlog, like they're starting to sag
I have zero doubt that some vendetta-chan from here tipped someone to write that, as this thread has so little traffic and is so nitpicky and dull that there's little chance that someone random would just stumble upon it. It's a cause for "outrage" because cowtipping and intervening is against the site rules, and that article just randomly happening to a cow whose thread has an insane amount of vendetta-chans, salty anons and nitpickers is very unlikely. I mean, just look at these posts >>23463
It's like she attracts autistic newfags who don't know how this site works, they even commented on Tom's instagram and posted it here.
What's done is done, but for the love of god anons, stop being autistic and just let things happen without forcing it. Make a fucking tumblr to expose them if you're not capable of following the rules here.
Sure, somebody tipped someone off, but I think it's a lot to assume that it was a poster in this thread. They took a lot of screencaps and things posted from this thread, but also stuff from PULL that was not posted here.
It's weird that you're so bothered about the fact that Taylor is getting negative publicity on some LJ (oh noes, her life is oooover). Seriously? She married this guy, and worked for MC from its inception. She doesn't care, no one really cares about it; if influential people did, the world would be a different and better place.
I still do not know what the ONTD article has to do with cowtipping or intervening. You don't think Taylor is worth a thread? Fine. But people have the right to talk about her.
The worst thing that happened were those questions and posts on Tom's Instagram. I agree, that's cowtipping. That's intervening. An article about Taylor on another blogging platform? Discussion of Tom's company and its ethics on lolcow? Dumb posts about Taylor and Tom and their plans to have a baby on PULL? That's how the internet works when you are a YoUtUbEr and iNfLuEnCeR.
You're reaching. Tom is the one who deserves all negativity related to MC and not Taylor. If you think carefully, there was no way she knew about that 13 year old girl because that magazine has dozens of articles online except she was a reader herself and read all articles religiously. She probably found out at the same time we found out. We can't prove otherwise and that's a fact.
She can't do anything about it because it's his business and not hers. Yes, I agree, she shouldn't have married him. But punishing her with an article on ONTD is more than unfair. Tom should have been the center of attention but instead we see two pictures of her and a question about what she has to say about this situation. I don't doubt that it's intresting what she has to say but Tom should be the one to justify his actions. This is 100% a vendetta-chan because she is shifting Toms guilt to Taylor.
And no-one is questioning the discussion about Taylor. She is a cow and she deserves a thread but what this vendetta-chan did is not okay and is definitely against the rules.
LOL it literally talks about TOM. Practically the whole article is about him, and he's in the gif heading the article. Why is his name not in the title? Because no one who reads that livejournal knows who Tom Lip is. He's not a known name there.
Nothing unkind was said about Taylor - unless you think pointing out that she WORKED FOR MC is unkind. She did! So she has a pretty good idea of what kind of business it is. And yes, anon, "Taylor has yet to comment on the subject." Ah, actually that isn't true - she commented defending her husband but then deleted it, because that's what Taylor does.
What, again, happened that violated the rules of this site? (Aside from that person who interrogated Tom on IG.) That article never blamed Taylor for what happens on Tom's site. The article states she hasn't commented. That's it.
I never said Taylor shouldn't have married him. I kind of think they are right for each other, honestly.