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A thread discussion for "proshippers" who exhibit cow-like behavior.
>What is a proshipper?If you ask a proshipper (they also sometimes call themselves "profic" or "comship" but these mean the same thing) what that word means, they'll tell you it means they're against harassment over fiction. This is wrong, a proshipper is someone who thinks your taste in fiction (and usually by extension pornography) does not determine anything about you as a person. Whether or not this is true is debatable, but what is not debatable is how milky proshippers are.
>What is an antishipper?An anti is someone who disagrees with proshippers and thinks that your tastes in fiction can and do reflect you as a person. You may also post bizarre takes by them, but please keep this thread focused on proshippers.
>Why/how are they milky?Proshippers tend to be pornsick faghags who will make any excuse for moids jacking off to hurting women. Common habits amongst them include: supporting bi lesbians/thinking lesbians can like men, sexually harassing people who disagree with them, bringing up their oppression labels for no reason, comparing 14 year olds on the internet to christofascists, cult leaders and le evil radfems and so on.
Notable Cows
Mouse/adybpt
>chronically online pornsick TIF >"rehabilitative criminal therapist" aka thinks rapist moids should be forgiven>supporter of aggy/stwawbwewymilk who has a thread as well >>>/snow/1057353https://x.com/adybpthttps://antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx.tumblr.com/https://antis-delete-your-blogs-pls.carrd.co/lizcourserants/discourse catharsis
>yaoi anime made her stop being homophobic>defended MariAkutsu (faghag who made a 500 page doc on a 14 year old over shipping shit) >>>/snow/1147267 >defended Homonuculus100_/Homie (mentally ill TIF who has her own thread >>>/snow/1860168)>made a video in defense of aggy https://youtu.be/y2VEK-6Uo58?si=jdHGtwgqMy822FaUhttps://x.com/lizcourserantshttps://youtube.com/@discoursecatharsishttps://lizcourserants.carrd.co/Challah_chic
>thinks its ok for children to look at porn>wrote a smut fanfiction featuring a 15 year old kpop idolhttps://x.com/challah_chicEirian/Aurey Eden/Eirianqueer
>pro-kink "polyam aspec bi/pan abrochillean soft butch femboyfag">defended raceplay and smut fanfiction written about children>supports a subreddit dedicated to fantasies about corrective rape against lesbians because "muh coping mechanism" even though most members are moids>in spite of that throws temper tantrums whenever someone calls a bisexual character a lesbianhttps://x.com/eirianqueerPlease avoid infighting about shipping discourse and remember to report and ignore bait.
first time making a thread please forgive me for any formatting issues. No. 1999617
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thanks for making the thread nona! here's something to start us off with
>sacred art of gooning
god why are they like this
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>”proship”
>”antiship”
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From
https://aethy.com/explore/local, a site made for proshippers
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No. 1999657
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I'm sure everyone involved in the "pro-ship"/"anti-ship" debate is a literal child, a mentally stunted adult with the maturity of a child, or a literal pedophile. It's obvious from the absolute lack of nuance on both sides. One group will yell at you and call you a "LITERAL PEDOPHILE!!" for finding "LITERAL MINOR!!!" Jotaro Kujo attractive while the other will yell at you about "FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!" for "KINKSHAMING!!!" toddlercons and both are very guilty of slippery slope arguments.
No. 1999681
>>1999658>>1999670Not the anon who made the thread but there’s a difference between this and the fandom discourse thread, that one’s more about opinions and grievances with various topics while this one focuses on specific people with cow material, think about how there’s an /ot/ thread to discuss gender ideology but also trans threads on /snow/
Anyways now to wait like 2 weeks after the obligatory “why does this have to be a thread” infights are done to post some milk
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No. 1999719
>>1999658Fujo Cringe
and Fandom Discourse
and Fujo vs. Anti Debate. I imagine this thread was made by one of the retards who constantly infights in all three of those.
No. 1999884
>>1999860>lack of personal shameThis is very common in npd/bpd/ general clusterbees, autists, assburgers, ADHD etc. I’ve had the displeasure of talking to many of these types, the worrying thing is always how self assured they are that nothing is wrong with their fucked up fetishes and creepy tastes, and that everyone else is just an NPC moralfag trying to shit on their parade, and that actually their fetish is enlightened somehow.
Reminds me of the video of a German furry moid who tried to bring a plushie with a fleshlight inside of it on a trip with his little sister. His mom is screaming and pleading with him to stop being so fucked up and to leave the toy behind, and he’s completely detached and doesn’t care at all at how upset she is.
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Double posting but this tweet here is actually gold, people in 2024 still trying to defend the porn industry will always be cows honestly kek. My tinfoil is the whole reason she gets so defensive is because gay porn is the only metric she has for morality since it made her stop being homophobic so now she has to defend all porn with her life and ignore the real harm it does
No. 2000216
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>>2000181Nonnie I agree but we’re supposed to talk about the cows not the community as a whole, think of it like the difference between the MTF/FTM threads and the /ot/ gender ideology threads please. Liz is so annoying though because half the time she’ll just tinfoil whoever she argues against as some kind of bigot, I remember she made a whole video trying to call random tweets about some age gap ship homophobic because it was of gay guys and defended the boyfriends Webtoon with “it was made by a gay Asian guy” to discredit someone for making a video on it and had 0 other point, I doubt that she even watched it and just claimed it was harsssment
No. 2000387
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>>2000199the "lucemond" phenomenon was the fucking weirdest thing, shipping an underage boy and using his likeness to draw pornographic fanart of him and his 25 year old castmate and they see nothing wrong with this and this is nto small ship either, this is the top HoTD ship on A03
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>>2000387I was in the HoTD fandom back then and they were fucking annoying. One time they straight up meme'd themselves into believing that the actor playing luke had come out as bisexual, It was the strangest thing.
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Do "radqueers" count as proshipper? They tend to fall under the umbrella but most of their online presence, but even a lot of proshippers hate them (or pretend to, at least) because they advocate for IRL pedophilia and bestiality and think proshippers are hypocrites and "reinforcing norms" for only supporting it in fiction. I don't recommend falling down this Mastodon rabbithole but I legit can't believe this shit I see.
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>>2000387>>2000390Sage for semi-unrelated question, but what do nonnies ITT think of the Helaemond pairing?
(derailing) No. 2001068
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R/AO3 on Reddit seems to be filled with proshippers. Here’s one defending smut fics of real minors because of “freedom of speech” . I think proshippers that are hardcore ao3 dickriders tend to be pretty fascinating because they genuinely worship the site like it’s a god sometimes. Often they ignore the fact that ao3 allows people to write rpf of real children but seeing one defend it is crazy.
I don’t even give a shit about proshippers usually but this is gross.
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There are countless shipping options available for most preferences and desires, but how can someone become so twisted and porn-brained that they start fantasizing about and start sexualizing children? And let me be clear, these are not teenagers drawn like bodybuilders, but actual young children(not milk sage your shit, please censor shota/loli content as well)
No. 2001977
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>>2001953Yeah, it's obnoxious and weird, I hate both sides and the whole black and white mentality that these retards have.
>what do you mean you don't want to fuck a post wall (over 25 years old) animu MAN with a fucking beard and who is old!>imagine not wanting to fuck little boy peepee I get aroused by the thought of little boys!And if you like anything in-between (like a normal person) you're a bitch.
No. 2001998
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Mouse and Liz going on about “Muh community needs incest porn to survive” lol
No. 2002016
>>2001068What….this is why I can't stand that subreddit. The excuses they used to make for people who like shots/loli fanfiction were always
" it's not about real kids , so it's fine " but now it actually is fine for it to be about actual minors…..
No. 2002435
>>2001998I feel like proshippers wouldn’t get as much hate if they just minded their business and kept to themselves. But no, they have to frame their incest kinks as revolutionary in the fight against facism.
Like your not a freedom fighter, your a 30 year old who didn’t mature past 15 .you spend all your free time calling teenagers puritans/fascists on twitter because they said they think lolicons are gross.
(learn to sage) No. 2003357
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be warned picrel is a child fucking a centaur
i think Auroradiation deserves a mention here since she is another Chinese cow adjacent to mgnong another proship artcow who has drawn toddlercon and pedo shit
>began to post her art on tumblr and weibo
>is a extreme attention whore
>she used to draw extreme sjw art
>slowly pivoted to proship art drawing character from terminator and shipping john conner (as a child) and terminator
>was "bullied" off weibo due to her art
>took refugee in twitter zoo and proship communities
>throws a fit over her art being popular and unpopular at the same time
>sometimes goes into mania and posts 20 posts long rants about her being called a pedo and quickly deletes them
>bases her art from actual children
>has drawn zoo and beast shit which she quickly deleted but not picrel for some fucking reason every Chinese proship artcow seems to be into centaur zooshit
most are far forgiving of her art because she "draws" well
No. 2003412
>>2003396All MALE artists are degenerates
FTFY
(sage your shit) No. 2003426
>>200340990%* of artists are degenerate, is that better for you?
>if auroradiation was a moid the tune would be very different hereyeah, because moids rape children. She just seems autistic and fat.
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>>2003412majority of male artists are degenerates but not all degenerates are men
No. 2003430
>>2003412CLAMP are a group of women. And learn to sage. I genuinely dont understand why antis even consume anime. I would actually respect them if they stuck to their words and didnt consume
problematic content like anime, but they are always hypocrites that dont hold themselves to their own standards. Most of this pro/anti discourse wouldnt exist if antis didnt willingly subject themselves to
problematic content like anime/manga and only watched western animation and sitcoms. I think aurora is a weird cow and i dont agree with what she draws, but you cant deny her art is pretty good.
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I used to follow some of the big "anti antis" on Tumblr, they all ended up being pretty batshit. This one's my personal favorite, she makes tons of posts like this rambling about how evil antis are.
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>>2003872>Antis come from radfems, and radfems come from CatholicismStupidest shit I ever read. If radfems come from anything, they come from atheist jewish 2nd wave feminists.
>>2003542>>2003434>>2003447Stop moralfagging and virtue signaling on a gossip board, it's fucking pathetic and nobody cares. Everybody has liked the work of degens once in their lives and nobody wants to repent or self-flagellate over it on lolcor dot farm.
>but but muh pedophiliaaaa if you like schizo pedo chinese artist's non-pedo art you're a pedoooYou're not going to change anyone's mind on here and your behaviour can slowly turn board culture into twitter for anonymous regina georges on crack. What are you gonna do? Scour nonnas' tumblr likes? Shame their online search history? Good grief.
No. 2005449
>>2003872How on earth can one even think that radfems stemmed from Catholicism of all things ?! Like on what earth do such things connect in any way ?!
Also I’m sick of seeing pro shippers who are most likely adults go on these rants where they compare chronically online internet drama to real world shit such as colonialism, fascism, censorship, etc.
Antis can be very annoying, and need to get a grip on reality. But antis making a post calling fictional incest gross is not comparable to colonialism. Proshippers like this are genuinely mental and need to get a life outside of the internet.
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This person wrote an “academic essay” on how antis are apparently a cult and pro shippers ate it up.
In the essay they tried to pass off tweets and tumblr posts as legitimate credible evidence.
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>>2005796RainyStudios / SamAburime also labels you as a
TERF even if you’re trans inclusive just for being feminist, major yikes
>>1987937 No. 2005945
>>2005934They seem to have a specific hatred towards Radfems or just any feminist that isn’t the typical libfem.
I’m pretty sure they’ve even implied that hating fujoshis is a
terf thing too.
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>>2006042Sam is so pornbrained they can’t talk about a serious topic without framing it around yaoi or fanfiction.
Here’s them addressing anti-Asian racism but framing the convo around people who dislike yaoi.
I can’t imagine getting to be this chronically online.
No. 2006118
>>2005796Pure autism concentrate KEK, I get writing a few comments here or there if you think something is retarded, but writing a whole ass
essay? This retard should be in a mental facility.
No. 2006200
>>2006119NTA but it is kinda confusing since there’s some stuff suggesting Sam’s MTF and other stuff that Sam was born a woman so I think
nonny is just confused, lol
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I noticed that many of the prominent proship shota artists (at least with regards to genshin) tend to be korean or taiwanese. What's up with that?(racebait)
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absolutely fucking disgusting
No. 2012273
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Infighting between proshippers and lolicons is funny to me.
They’re the same kinds of people to me.
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I almost feel bad for some of these people tbh, after reading pic I really feel like if this person just took a hiatus offline and started living life so much would change, like what happy person talks like this?
>>2012273,
>>2012278Whether she realizes it or not she’s contributed to those people getting an environment to hang out in and get this bad. The mirror is an amazing thing, Liz (not saying either of you nonnas are her btw)
No. 2012536
>>2012535Proshippers aren't only women who ship teenage characters together. They're a bunch of women who defend lolishit and other moid-tier kinks because of "muh fiction"
>>2012533>>2012273Mouse and Liz are some of the milkiest proshipper cows there are. They've been at this for almost a decade now and aren't tired of it. It's insane
No. 2012559
>>2012535They’re the same kinds of people because these women will defend the moid shit to hell and back and claim it’s progressive.
Also they don’t just “ship teenagers”, they’re into shit like incest rape fantasies between a father and son.
No. 2012572
>>2012533Seeing someone refer to getting married as a “marriage kink” is so sad to me. Mouse has been so chronically online and that she can only view wanting a relationship through the lense of a kink.
I think this honestly goes for a lot of people who are very fandombrained, not just proshippers. But it’s depressing seeing how many people spend almost all of their free time in online spaces and how they can only talk about real world stuff through the lense of kink or yaoi and stuff.
No. 2012580
>>2012575There's a reason the woman in
>>2012273 phrased it the way she did. There are plenty of these women who spend a not insignifcant amount of time defending lolicons because they engage in many of the same behaviours.
A big reason why many people that self-identify as "proship" aren't seen neutrally by people in the know but without a horse in the race is because many of them are into things like lolisho and make their interest into a digitally oppressed minority identity.
No. 2015586
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Twitter users turning a case of real life child abuse into an anti vs pro shipper debate is crazy but not surprising.
I see this constant debate between both proshippers and antis on who the true dangers to children are.
But in reality they’re chronically online and whether or not someone is a proshipper or anti shouldn’t be used to predict on if their a danger to children irl or not.
No. 2015603
>>2015587Yes, they've been on it for weeks as some proof that "antis all suck" as if this is not just another case of a man in the animation industry who turns out to be a pedo.
>>2015586Funny considering the patron saint of Tumblr-proshippers Neil Gaiman was also accused of sexual assault of a 20-year-old girl but they don't mention a word of it.
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>>2015603Vee accused him of sexual harassment and literally no one believed her just because she was a proshipper. The amount of white knighting this scrote got was insane, but ofcourse now that it turns out he was a pedophile all alone everyone is trying to claim the never knew despite allegations of sexual harassment and grooming circulating since his DA days.
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>>2015612literally no one said that. But consuming BDSM CP is miles worse than being a schizo attention whore like Vee. The problem is that when she tried to warn people about Kyle no one listened to her. If people didnt make this about online shipping discourse in the first place and kept it private like normal adults the twitterfag proshippers wouldnt have AMMO now.
>>2015613>But I think equating all this drama to proship vs. antiship as the source is retardedit started as pro/anti drama. This whole thing started because Kyle called vee a pedo for drawing ZADR. These are the messages kyle sent to ang that started the whole drama.
No. 2015623
>>2015621Those situations are not connected to them being actual pedophiles. If you want to analyze it from your proshipper lens, of course you'll see it like that. I agree, it's hypocritical of them to try and call out people for drawing porn of kids cartoons while being actual pedophiles, but that's all it will be. It's not "look, see antis are the actual pedos!!111!!!" that proshippers try to make it, because those people were not firing Vee for being by name a proshipper. Those two men are not "antis" because antis is a catch-all name used by Proshippers for anyone who finds them weird. Proshippers rally behind her because they feel vindication that a girl who made porn of kids' cartoons was made fun of by actual pedophiles and so it confirms their theory that they are not the real schizos of online debates. Not to defend the men, because they're obviously horrible people who I would a-log if given the chance. But proshippers are revealing their autism by associating a real situation with kids who were hurt to online fights.
>maybe if the whole anti movement focused on these scrotes instead of random schizo women like vee this shit wouldnt have happenedWhy do proshippers come into a thread dedicated to documenting them as cows? I know twitter proshippers are obsessed with inserting themselves into situations, but I guess it happens on every site with them. I have seen some regular people call him out, but that's because regular people aren't involved in these fights. It's usually proshippers who are identifiable in these debates because they make being proship their whole online identity.
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>>2015636>drawing the stuff she did while actively working on animation was fucking stupid andi have zero sympathy.honestly she did have a point that men do it all the time, and that it was weird that despite that only she was fired for it. Chris savino got a cartoon despite openly drawing shit like oddie puss. I feel vindicated because i was 100% sure this scrote was only calling out vee because he had skeletons in his closet, but no one was willing to believe me because ''uwu hes just a wholesome chungus cinnamon roll who wouldnt hurt a fly''. Vee is a hilarious cow that believes she's an alien collective and makes insane alien schizopost, but kyle and the tranny that accused her of sexually abusing him are horrorcows who have actually harmed children.
tl;dr: all scrotes are pedos, regardless of whatever twitter slapfights they decide to associate with.
No. 2015641
>>2015638guys are gross. but honestly that cartoon is not the same as underage cartoons having graphic sex with other underage cartoons - and i'm absolutely okay with any of those people having trouble getting jobs in the very overcrowded field of tv.
of course kyle is worse. but twitter and pro-ship people made vee this absolute martyr and she's actually fine and living life being crazy thinking she's an alien.
i hate the narrative that vee was so abuse because she drew inappropriate stuff and got caught. yeah, sorry, you lost your job because you were stupid. get a job in something else then, instead of faking your death AGAIN because apparently that's the only other option to working in tv? fuck off.
everyone in this story is gross and stupid.
No. 2015642
>>2015633When people go after proshippers 90% of the time they aren’t going after teenagers shipping other teenagers though.
The average self-identified proshipper is a 27-35 year old who’s obsessed with dadson and sibling incest, donates thousands of dollars to ao3, and constantly freaks out over 16 year old antis saying mean things about proshippers.
No. 2015646
>>2015642All i know is that antis only go after women like omori and vee instead of men that actually have serious allegations against them like shadman. Its a meme zoomie pastime anyways, good old high school mean girls petty drama with a coat of moralfagging and being terminally online about cartoons. At this point its obvious antis or whatever only care about clout and not about children. Meanwhile giga stacy korean feminists got the uoh cunny pedo dorontabi completly blacklisted off everything + got him to stop drawing lolishit. But antis are all twitter trannies so they dont have the balls to go after men, only after schizo women who are an easy target.
>>2015644you know you can agree with all of that without being a proshipper, right? if antis were like the based korean radfems i would respect them. But i have never seen them go after the big fish like shadman and everyone who gave him a platform(like that fag from smiling friends). These thigns always happen because twitter kiddies would rather die than admit men are the real problem.
>>2015641again, i agree. My point is that he obviously threw vee under the bus to save his ass, not because any of them genuinely care about children. There are so many moids in the industry who have serious allegations against them than hyperfocusing on a sped like vee seems like such a waste of time.
No. 2015702
>>2015686>>2015586 and others on twitter. Check Mouse and Lizcourse twitters
>>2015646Mostly because antis aren't a dedicated community. You'll only find proshippers self identifying
No. 2015780
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I think there’s definitely something to be said about men who act like “antis” to cover up their own sick perversions. And it does seem like at least a few proshippers are being more nuanced and also talking about men abusing their power and its role.
But the reason why this discourse has been so frustrating is that so many proshippers are trying to spin this into a “ANTIS ARE THE TRUE PREDATORS” type of ordeal.
A lot of proshippers seem to be implying that because an “anti”’was exposed as a predator, that means men who are addicted to loli porn are automatically safer.
No. 2015789
>>2015780isnt the whole proshipper/antishipper fandom or whatever mostly women though? i have never seen a moid care about proshipping discourse because men are never harassed for liking lolishit or other
problematic porn. There is a reason why everyone was friends with shadman and sucked his microdick back in the day while on the other side of the fence tobi was getting called a pedo for drawing bakudeku yaoi.
No. 2015834
>>2015826He was an anti and sided with/was defended by people like the Tony person who went on about the
problematic art. Unfortunately, that's far from the first case of "antis" being actual pedophiles.
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I don't personally care about people shipping anime boy together or whatever fucked up fan-fiction they write. My issue is when they involve real-life children. As someone who has been involved in the asoif fandom, the lucemond shippers genuinely make me uncomfortable. For two years they only became obsessed with gay pedophilia based on a brief interaction. I can't understand them and I find them downright disgusting
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>>2015612Vee also said this, so it's funny watching proshippers rush to her defence
No. 2016525
>>2015646>All i know is that antis only go after women like omori and vee instead of men that actually have serious allegations against them like shadman.This is also something I've noticed. Nowadays I kinda stay out of anti vs proship drama as it just all feels so terminally online and I'd rather judge someone based off their media literacy and sanity levels. A woman who fantasizes about being raped in a safe, private environment is infinitely less annoying than people who think they're morally superior for telling someone who likes age regression due to childhood trauma to kill themself. The human brain is odd and developing kinks due to past trauma is an extremely common and natural occurrence as your brain attempts to make sense of it, and telling people they must repress because they are immoral doesn't lead to anything good.
However, men get away with so much more degeneracy. They can draw the most fucked up pedophilic gore and get told how much of a based gigachad they are for it. I think it's because women care about being seen as good more than men do so they tend to engage in this kind of thing more, as well as the fact that women are more prone to playing mindgames to tear each other down. Men play dodgeball, women play chess, so to speak. Shadman being endorsed for so long just because he's "edgy" is a case I will never understand. You can always, ALWAYS tell when someone is an actual fucking pedophile, they always draw those characters uncannily childlike.
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>>2016525>>2016156Samefag sorry, or if they're not an artist the legitimate pedos post shit like this on main. Fucking nasty. Anyone remember the "real life shotacon" incident from a few years back? These tweets remind me of that persons. Pic related, it's them.
https://twitter.com/lizcourserants/status/1275671860970172418 lizcourse talking about it, if you're curious.
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Anyone else find it weird how much Lizcourse claims to be “going offline and taking a break” only to constantly be retweeting and posting stuff herself during that time?
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>>2024737hooooooly based
nonnie. also throw freminet in the mix and let's get it cranking
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No. 2034432
>>2034430just two years ago, he was in controversy for publishing an article about how masturbating to shota/loli porn can help deal with pedophilic urges.
>The PhD researcher at the center of a firestorm surrounding a controversial research paper he published earlier this year was previously the creator of magazines which featured disturbing, graphic photos of young boys.>Karl Andersson, a Swedish-born academic, is currently a PhD student at the University of Manchester in the Japanese studies department. Andersson came under widespread scrutiny earlier this week after it was revealed he had written an academic article in which he admitted to masturbating to fantasy child sexual abuse material for three months as part of his “research.” The paper, titled “I am not alone — we are all alone: Using masturbation as an ethnographic method in research on shota subculture in Japan,” outlines Andersson undertaking an “experimental method” of masturbating to shota pornography.
>From 2006 to 2010, Andersson was responsible for two disturbing visual media projects >Destroyer Magazine was Andersson’s first venture into the genre. Andersson was living in Prague and publishing out of the Czech Republic shortly after he graduated from Stockholm University, the graphic magazine billed itself as “the leading international teenage boy magazine!”>While Destroyer was derided in Sweden for its disturbing content, Andersson was sympathetically covered by Out, an international gay news outlet, in 2012.>“The most controversial expression of homosexuality is when a man is attracted to an adolescent boy,” Andersson is quoted as saying, “The [porn films] that are called ‘barely legal’ feature men dressed as boys … I find it quite uninteresting. It’s just drag. The models in Destroyer are well under 18.”>Andersson also stated that any criticism of the magazine was based in “homophobia,” and that: “the gay movement has lost touch with its past … It was founded to a large extent by men who were attracted to adolescent boys in Germany in the beginning of the 20th century. That should be acknowledged and it isn’t. We should honor them because we owe them our freedoms — instead, we despise them.”
>In addition to Destroyer, Andersson also published another, even more graphic magazine titled Breaking Boy News, which focused on even younger teens and more gruesome content.>The stories focused on young boys committing violence against animals, girls, and each other, with a particular emphasis on pain and degeneracy.>In 2012, Vice interviewed Andersson on the now-defunct Breaking Boy News site.>Andersson states he created the side-project after searching for “news stories about stuff like ‘boy murders’ and ‘boy rapes’, added pictures and wrote smashing headlines.”>In the interview Andersson doesn’t shy away from the label “boy lover,” and appears to embrace his attraction.>“The boy is the one who does all the things we learn later in life not to do. He discovers things, tests limits, helps people, but he also robs, rapes or even murders. And they’re cute, of course. Boys are like kittens, it’s hard to take your eyes off them.”>Neither Destroyer Magazine nor Breaking Boy News featured fully nude portrayals of the youth, enabling them to skirt around legal restrictions. During the Vice interview, Andersson stated he had no concerns about legality, going on to scoff at child welfare advocates who had expressed concerns about his material.>“I was denounced by children’s advocates for allegedly ‘sexualizing children,’ but I said that teenage boys aren’t children, but are in fact sexual – something I enhanced in my magazine, which was a tribute to the teenage boy.”>Andersson also mentions Japanese shota comics, lauding them for their highly sexual portrayal of children.>“What I like about shotacon manga is that it’s an extreme fantasy. Not only are the characters young, which is illegal in reality; they also have unprotected sex and they have orgasms all the time and shoot what seems like litres of sperm, which is impossible in reality. I love it. I think fantasies should be as extreme as possible. We should let them flourish.”>In 2012, Andersson published a book called The Story of Destroyer Magazine, which went into further depth on his experiences publishing the controversial rag. In the book, Andersson critiques those who denounce pro-pedophile organization the North American Man-Boy Love Association.>“You don’t have to agree with NAMBLA on everything … What I criticize is the gay movement has chosen a strategy of presenting a safe image of LGBT persons instead of demanding acceptance for the deviant, whatever it is, so long as it’s legal. The condemnation of NAMBLA has nothing to do with caring abut children, but rather is about suppressing the most extreme expression of homosexuality.”
>In addition to the two graphic magazines, Andersson contributed to The Lover, a “journal of sexual politics” that was similar to his other two endeavors, with the “journal” featuring graphic images of young boys. In one article he contributed in 2015, Andersson decries the treatment of homosexual men who have sex with teen boys, comparing it to the Nazi persecution of the Jews. His article, “I fell in love with a Hitler Jugend,” has been preserved on a pro-pedophile website which features an entire collection on Andersson.>Following news of the disturbing research article, Andersson’s University announced it was launching an investigation into his academic conduct, with a spokesperson stating: “The recent publication in Qualitative Research of the work of a student, now registered for a PhD, has raised significant concerns and complaints which we are taking very seriously. We are currently undertaking a detailed investigation into all aspects of their work, the processes around it and other questions raised. It is very important that we look at the issues in-depth.” No. 2034433
>>2034432>>1308333Vice did an interview with him in 2012
>VICE: Hi, Karl. Can you explain Breaking Boy News to me?>Karl Anderson: An idea came to me one evening: ‘What about making a cheesy news tabloid with boy news only?’ I searched for news stories about stuff like “boy murders” and “boy rapes”, added pictures and wrote smashing headlines. The men at the printers were quite surprised.
>I bet. Why did it have to be about little boys?>I have this philosophy of the boy as the essence of humankind. The boy is the one who does all the things we learn later in life not to do. He discovers things, tests limits, helps people, but he also robs, rapes or even murders. And they're cute, of course. Boys are like kittens, it's hard to take your eyes off them.
>Where do you get the borderline child porn from to illustrate the articles?>Child porn is a legal term, not a view, and none of my publications contain that. I consider Breaking Boy News an artwork. Even when I did Destroyer, I hardly had any contact with the models directly – only with the photographers. If there's a red line in my publishing, it's that it deals with fantasies and ideals. Reality is so bland.
>Tell me about Destroyer. It features naked photos of pubescent boys, right?>Destroyer was my first self-published project, and it started out of frustration of the current politics of the gay movement, which becomes ever more non-inclusive of the less flattering expressions of homosexuality, most notably male attraction to boys. Destroyer always sold very well and it still does. I counted readers in 37 countries on all continents, even Africa. Breaking Boy News is more of a fun side-project.
>Who reads this stuff?>I’d say 99.9 percent of my readers are male. They’re mostly gay men, boy-lovers and artists. A boy-lover is someone who self-identifies as a man who loves boys. He considers it a sexual orientation. I don't personally like the word since it implies that there are people who don't love boys.
>How do you get away with selling it? Surely nobody wants to stock this stuff.>My publications are legal. Some Swedish bookshops stopped selling Destroyer after it made the headlines, but Adlibris – the biggest bookshop – concluded that it was legal and went on selling it.I was denounced by children's advocates for allegedly "sexualising children", but I said that teenage boys aren’t children, but are in fact sexual – something I enhanced in my magazine, which was a tribute to the teenage boy. What is it anyways, to "sexualise children" and what’s bad about it? It's not a real argument.
>So you think sexualising children is OK?>I think I already answered that one. Before we decide if something is good or bad, we must decide on what it is we're discussing.
>What other publications do you produce?>I now publish two shotacon artists with English translations. Shotacon manga are comics where boys have sex, either with each other or with older boys or men. What I like about shotacon manga is that it's an extreme fantasy. Not only are the characters young, which is illegal in reality; they also have unprotected sex and they have orgasms all the time and shoot what seems like litres of sperm, which is impossible in reality. I love it. I think fantasies should be as extreme as possible. We should let them flourish.
>Is this all a fantasy to you or have you previously acted on it?>I prefer not to answer that. I did in some interviews, but I don't want to comment on my sex life publicly now. It’s interesting that people want to know that. I don’t think I would have got that question in Japan – they have another relation to fantasy than we do in the Christian West.>Yeah, they’re all about animated paedophilia.>Please don't bring the "P-word" into this. Actually, this isn’t a subject that interests me very much. It's quite far away from a discussion about my magazines.
>How would you explain your magazines? A lot of people would say they appeal almost exclusively to paedophiles, which obviously isn’t a good thing.>I do my thing and I'm used to people disapproving. It's funny how it's totally okay, even the norm, for a teenage girl to pose in a sexy way on magazine covers, but as soon as it's a boy people get upset.
>Why’s that?>I think it's the homosexual eye that scares people; a man looking at a boy with a possible sexual interest provokes an instinct to protect society's most valuable. The ancient Greeks had sex with boys, but the boy had to stand up during the act; if he lied down, he would be degraded to the role of a woman. So the current will to protect boys from being treated as sexual objects has actually quite misogynistic roots. No. 2034646
>>2034550MG is like 16 or 17yo and well known for her shit takes on things. Her main argument is "FREE SPEECH!!!!1" and "Children are the responsible party for what they consume and shouldn't go looking for pornographic content and adults can't be held responsible for them." Despite the fact that she is a minor herself and shouldn't even participate in these communities let alone the conversation over whether proship is
valid or not.
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picrel is an actual pedophile I came across a while ago and "he" was obsessed with parents abusing their children
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This is a little late since the person in question seems to have deactivated hours ago, but around a day ago, someone posted sexually about a real child actor. Proshippers have been scrambling since this started.
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>>2034848Fingers crossed that the "things" it does to her is make her want to have a kid…
>>2034882Bruh
No. 2035103
>>1999616I feel dumb because this whole time I thought "proship" and "antiship" was about shipping, and whether people thought it's WRONG to play cupid with fictional characters or if it's okay.
Or maybe that's what it originally was before this shit somehow (d)evolved into "do your fantasies define you as a person?" The best answer is "it depends how much they rule/ruin your life".
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>>2034848Her account is back up, she just changed her username.
https://x.com/necrophillism?s=21 It seems like there’s an entire subsection of this community that are pro-paraphilia and openly post about being pedohiles.
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>>2035105Samefag, they post introduction posts under the tag “paratwt”
No. 2035149
>>2034962Yeah, this thread is just filled with retarded infighting now. Nobody cares if you get off to the imaginary of muh fictional children or real kids and still feel like a
victim, post the milk or gtfo.
No. 2035175
>>2035168i dont know these why retards put japan on a pedestal for "
protecting free speech of pedophiles!" japan likes to protect its pedophiles so much so when the scandal of japan biggest boy idol company ceos johnny kitagawa abusing little boys came out nothing was done for the children he abused because its common knowledge that the Japanese police wont take any action if you go to them to report rape because they demand you prove you got raped with evidence, imagine asking a child to prove how they got raped, is it any wonder so many choose not to report it? their yellow fever obfuscates the true degenerate face of japan
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>>2034552,
>>2034562From what I know that vid was posted here the literal day she turned 17. Apparently she also supports shit like mspec/pan/bi lesbians and all the other typical stuff you’d see in the Spicy Straights thread
>>2034568,
>>2034580,
>>2034646Yeah I think she’s pretty messed up mentally and a possible cow in the making because of all the drama she starts. She’s 17 now so I don’t hold it too hard against her but if in like 5 years she has a thread here I wouldn’t be shocked. She was actually mentioned in the art commentary thread a while back cuz some creepy 40 year old DDLG scrote named Lio Convoy tried to dox her (pic related)
>>1975994 she also has friends who are like 20+ so those anons saying she’s probably getting groomed may not be far off, it doesn’t help that her fanbase is a bunch of impressionable 13 year olds
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>>2035260Nta but honestly, I feel like many of them (not all, obviously, before anyone gets on my ass) also lie about their age to make it seem 'not as bad' when they're talking about children. They can always pull out the 'I am a 15yo actually and as a kid, I think kids can consent' card while salivating over a bunch of real fucking children, even if they've been a 15yo for the past 15 years like some twilight shit. Once they convince people to take 'transage' as seriously as trooning out, you'll see more of these fuckers calling themselves that too.
I feel like people in general underestimate how many pedos are there in this world, and that most of them tend to be 'inclusive pedophiles' which means they aren't 'only attracted to children' but they are also attracted to children, so you can't even trust someone who gets off to kids but then post about some big titted grown animu waifu once in a while. It's unfortunately way too easy for pedos lately to get away with what they say and do, because others are always eager to come to their rescue and you don't even know if those people are pedos too or just slow retards who thinks their beloved dubcon yaoi is in trouble because ilovekids88 on twitter is under attack by 'the evil puritans' who are merely and solely just against pedoshit.
No. 2036084
>>2036046I think it goes without saying that pedos wouldn't mind lumping themselves together with the muh fiction club if they can find even a single excuse to talk about what they're into openly. The whole proship and antiship thing started out as a terminally online fandom infight, and while the people who are autisticly obsessed with these terms are still terminally online, it's something a lot more than just that now. I mean, even if you glance at this thread, you'll find twittertards talking about child actors and you also get anons defending them with 'b-but fujos in japan do it too!!'
Personally though, I don't really believe someone who gets off to the imaginary of kids can still be trusted around kids in real life. There needs to be attraction for their obsession with these kind of content to exist. Those people are not attracted to fine lines on a piece of paper but the depiction of a child in sexual contexts. They fantasise about this to the point of continuously seeking, engaging and even creating their own content. It isn't healthy, or even normal. Nobody would be basing their entire accounts around their 'special interest' and engaging in fistfights with other terminally online retards, if it didn't mean anything to them at all.
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pro-ship account accused of sharing CP
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>>2036092NYART, but I found a screencap of him admitting he slept with a 17 year old?
No. 2036183
>>2036168This is the proshipper cow thread, why are you surprised people are against it here lol
>>2035105>>2036087It's always crazy how the big proshipper cows always say that these people are just pedophiles and not proshippers, but then continue to say "most antis are predators".
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>>2036168dont have anything to contribute dont bother posting. this is not the thread to defend your degeneracy
(infighting) No. 2036210
>>2036184>DegeneracyI just can't fathom getting
triggered by fictional characters, or shipping in general. It's really just a thing people who sit online all day get mad at.
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that one chinese artist who used to draw porn and ship-art of young john conner and arnold is back under a new handle, still drawing her "ships" and occasionally some random gore
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Imagine writing this shit and not feeling a hint of regret at how completely degenerate you have become
No. 2065547
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Proshippers need to completely denounce and cut off pro-paraphilia leeches. Pro-para shit is a rapidly entrenching rabbit hole, and it worries even more than "MAPs" did.
WHY do these zoomers promote this? Like, if you're a self-admitted pedophile, at least keep it to yourself. Normalizing pedophilia probably just leads to more CP consumption and CSA whether you claim to be "anti-contact" or not.
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The proshippers shown in the Twitter screenshot are discussing a sibling duo from JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure [part 9 to be exact]. Jodio is 15 years old while Dragona is 18. To my knowledge, their BlueSky accounts are under the same names. [The Tribs person is Tribs.bsky]
