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Alice Bender is known on TikTok for being a barefoot crunchy mom, vegan, and self-proclaimed radfem tradwife.
FKA aliceandfern / alicellanispam / aureliasmama / comingupfern / radfemaliceRECENT MILK>turned 23>obviously pregnant>still hasn’t bothered with any sort of prenatal care besides drinking red raspberry leaf tea>still planning to freebirth and make Fern watch>also planning a “lotus birth” in which she puts the placenta in a bowl and keeps it attached to the baby until it rots off>attempted this with Fern but it was too stinky, so she threw her placenta in the apartment dumpster (in Arizona, in August)>went to a café that had cloth hand towels in the bathroom; proceeded to wipe her ass with them and post about it >>>/snow/1494784>café posted a PSA urging not to wipe your ass with their hand towels >>>/snow/1495879>anon posted the police report from her accident >>>/snow/1506200, >>>/snow/1506201>Alice is exclusively dressing herself in fast fashion meant for teenagers>took Fern on a leash to an anti-vax rally in Downtown LA; both were barefoot >>>/snow/1498011>Alice was recently against caffeine; said people who drink coffee are addicts who need more fruit>bought an $1800 espresso machine to become a “coffee influencer”>surprised to find out “it’s not as easy as it looks”>still claiming the hospital murdered her baby >>>/snow/1509246>Alice just learned how to make smoothies; now smoothies are her personality>reddit sleuth figured out that Caleb works at a burger joint, and it’s not even organic >>>/snow/1513961>still hasn’t addressed the leaked TikTok; still pretending it never happened>anons still speculating about Fern’s bowed legs and developmental delays>everyone is still filthyBACKGROUND>Allison Roza met Caleb Bender when she was 14; he was 18>says she left him for two years because he didn’t want to get married and start a family>had an abortion at 16; hasn’t said whether it was Caleb who got her pregnant or someone else>eloped with Caleb in Las Vegas as soon as she turned 19 (July 2018)>immediately got pregnant>Allison was in a car crash at 29 weeks pregnant (February 2019)>sent to the hospital in an ambulance; delivered the baby via emergency cesarean>baby Aurelia didn’t survive>Alice first blamed the C-section, later the vitamin K injection>announced second pregnancy in February 2020>refused prenatal care because she thinks ultrasounds have radiation>chose to “freebirth” instead>i.e. gave birth alone on her toilet in their apartment; fished out her own placenta from her uterus two hours later>Fern was born in August 2020>Allison believes all women should be willing to die alone in childbirth rather than go to the hospital or have C-sections>Fern is dressed gender neutral, except when Allison makes him wear her dead daughter’s dresses>vegan except for her expensive leather baby stroller>claims her parents were abusive because they fed her meat as a child>anti-vax; bragged about telling people not to wash their hands before holding her newborn, but she’s nervous around people who got the covid vaccine>lets Fern eat dirt, sticks, rocks, shopping cart handles, etc. because she breastfeeds>refuses to wear sunscreen or put it on her infant because she thinks vegans can’t get sunburns>believes she is smarter than doctors despite only having a GED & dropping out of college>hasn’t worked since she quit Victoria’s Secret during her first pregnancy because #tradwife>Caleb works at a burger joint>claims to be pregnant again as of December 2021; due July 2022>refuses to do a pregnancy test or any kind of prenatal care whatsoever>leaked TikTok in which Alice leaves early from a visit with Caleb’s family, claiming that he has screamed at Fern when he cries ever since he was a newborn, and that’s why she & Fern are always driving around>Alice refuses to address this>still having a baby with Caleb>still encouraging teen girls to do the same>still planning to “freebirth” this baby and “unschool” both kidsLINKS
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alice’s mom posted this old pic with her in it about a year ago — would be kinda weird to post it if they were on bad terms, no?
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she used to look so…. normal
The pic is old Alice's youngest sister is like 15 now and she looks like she's 8 in the photo.
Perhaps to keep up appearances or something.
She'll always find someone other than herself to blame. She probably blames ferns legs on the fact she wore shoes during her pregnancy or some shit.
I've seen loads of vids on my fyp about it too and the Alice stans flood the comments with "lol thats reaching, she's such a good mom and ferns so healthy"
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She's trying to brag about her hair, bc she hasn't washed it in a year, but it looks like it might jump off of her head and run away if it gets spooked.
Tinfoil but I think she's actually bald and uses orange cat (dyed brown with beet juice, spinach, and organic blueberries) to sit on her head all day. That's why we haven't seen him lately.
Not very crunchy, Allison.
I wouldn’t say Fern has a similar smile to Caleb’s, perhaps vaguely in a non-noticeable way. Caleb’s is extreme. I cant tell if that’s jaw misalignment or some kind of paralyzed nerve thing? It doesn’t matter, but it’s always jumped out at me! I was wondering if it was knowledge and I’m missing something. >>1514923
Kek, anon. As hilarious as this is, I’m now one thousand percent expecting Alice to blame his legs on her use of foot prisons while pregnant.
I also agree, she’ll point her finger at everything and anyone before herself. An anon in the past thread said she’d blame the dyes in her clothing before she accepted accountability and that’s exactly the vibe.. although, she is wearing cheap fast fashion and there has been all of that clickbait about the chemicals on Shein clothing. It’d be an easy reach for her, with “support.”
One thing that I think people are overlooking is that Alice still has Caleb in her arsenal to use as a scapegoat. We know she’s not shy of throwing him under the bus or portraying him as “the bad guy.” I could see her controlling the narrative and manipulating the story into her botched birth being Caleb’s fault.
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Just search her spam account and it's this video.
Not the poster either but just to reaffirm this point - so called normies, most normal people you encounter IRL, hold these opinions. Some more publicly than others, but everybody's thinking it even if nobody will say it. This might change in the future as older millenials die out and woke rainbow youths take over, but for now, most people are 'transphobic' by Twitter's standards.
Identity politics are a waste of energy, whether that's on the left or the right. Gen Z is so caught up in identity politics one way or the other, nobody wants to be a boring normie. That's why people like Alice call themselves radfem tradwives, 'cause it sounds cool and 'based' and makes her feel more interesting than she really is. Even though the term itself is a complete contradiction kek
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She just looks so unhealthy and gaunt in her face
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The absolute state of this child
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She’s drinking brew dr kombucha which you’re not supposed to do while pregnant because it’s not pasteurized. This new baby is gonna die
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I thought she said teeth are supposed to be naturally yellow so why is she editing them neon white
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Level up brightening from Alice
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Suffering from tooth decay at age 2 it’s neglect
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says who? his legs still look abnormally bowed in her vids, i think’s she’s been editing them in her instagram pictures
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She looks so grey and unhealthy for someone only 23!
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I’m not familiar enough with the filters to know whether this makes sense, but somebody said before it seemed liked she was using “the skinny filter” on Fern to make his legs appear straighter in filters?
I don’t think his body looks otherwise altered in the videos though and I can’t imagine it’d only affect his legs.
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Apparently this can affect you when you allow your cat to use your furniture as a free range litter box like Alice does grossssssss
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Unless it’s another grandkid cos why would they leave fern to go on vacation
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The grandparents are gonna lose their minds when fern has no table manners and eats like this
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Complete feral child so sad ehst she’s doing to him save fern
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Alice's eating disorder or lack of doet education is killing her entire family. Calab looked relatively normal a few years ago and has just shriveled into the man-raisin that he is currently. I'm a vegetarian, I have been for 13 years, and I would never force my eating habits upon my husband or children. It isn't ethical.
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Oh my fucking God. This looks so unsafe.
Whyd she wait so long to ask? And no WAY fern is gonna sit in there nice when he seems to have adapted to that other stroller and sleeping in a ball in the bassinet.
Maybe this is an intervention…
Tinfoil to it all kek
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Big bruise on his leg
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Why’s her house look like a trap house
some of the restaurants I’ve worked in even had “family meal” where everyone eats a free meal together. most definitely never
vegan. not sure if this is that kind of place though, it looks more like a Chili’s type of place
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Do you think fern gets a chance to toke? Also saggy diaper spotted.(tinfoil)
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That’s nothing. Check out this huge burn he had when they were in California in January. First photo was screenshot from a video and was edited out for an Instagram post. Second photo is recent and you can see it has healed somewhat. How little supervision does a toddler need around dangerous items for them to burn themselves this bad?
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Look at the fucking piss? Stain on the carpet.. also I hope ferns face and legs are just dirty and that’s not bruises..
Side note: who tf let’s their kid drive a car like that inside their small apartment??
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This is an older post, but I was catching up on her Instagram… Where is fern in this picture? Maybe this is a nitpick, but they were in LA and she let him far enough away to get out of her perfect frame?
SOOOOOO much tinfoil on here lately what is going on man it’s not bruises on his face just food mess
Pls just try to post facts instead of stupid conspiracy nonsense
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Muzzle free smh
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So confused I thought muzzle meant bra because wtf does this weird try hard sexy dance have to do masks.
I'm in my 30s and have never ever eaten meat in my life. Safe to say, I've grown beautifully.
Careful, you may start sounding like Alice on a 'Formula fed isn't really fed' rant, mistaking opinion for fact and sounding like a cunt.
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Just checked her Tik toks she checked the house on April 2nd as well as clean juice lol she now has a court date tho
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Not barefoot in the airport
She didn’t take the countless news articles, YouTube videos and forums discussing her into account, how is she going to delete those? Her abusing and embarrassing her children will forever stay on the internet.
Man, I feel so sorry for these (future) kids
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Literally no one is telling this dumb bitch she needs to be feeding that boy fruit roll ups.
No one is saying she has to feed him meet either.
Like the vegan diet he is currently on is not sufficient but a proper vegan diet would help him.
Even if i dont think toddlers should be vegan, he would be fine if he got supplements and a better diet
Unfortunately it is hard to feed toddlers and sometimes theres no rhyme or reason to what they will/wont eat. Limiting their diet obviously makes it harder if they're not good eaters in the first place. Being able to give a picky eater a cup of milks helps a lot.
Alice is tight with the in-laws because they’re the ones holding the purse strings
>Christ follower, husband, father, grandfather, musician, patriot. Healthcare CFO.
>I am a wife of 22 years and a mother of five boys ranging in age from 16 to 30. I have been counseling women, children and couples for over 10 years. I am a Licensed Associate Counselor, LAC Additionally, I have over 23 years of 12-step experience as both a sponsee and sponsor working the program. While I have worked at several agencies and counseled clients in many areas, my specialties are women's issues, relationship issues, and addictions.
Maybe the vacation is really an INTERVENTION for Alice
She looks absolutely miserable being there. Awww it sucks having to be a normal functioning human in society, doesn’t it alice. She’s such a misfit loser
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You know his mom braided his hair. Looking good Caleb!
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Omg!!!! Is the mil checking ferns legs loool
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Lots of voodoo potion
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the burn (ty nona)
I've been wondering about it since I saw it. how does a baby get a burn like that? she's mentioned letting Fern just roam around the house alone while she and Caleb sleep. I don't think that would be so bad with proper baby-proofing, but she doesn't seem to believe in that either. what in the hell did this baby burn the back of his ankle on?
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Confirmed she makes videos pointing stuff out subtly
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Is that why Alice kept fern in jumpers and trousers when everyone was in summer clothes to hide the burn
Wait, Amber didnt
shit the bed? Sorry for OT and I hate nasty old scrote Derp but seems pretty clear Amber is a BPD bedpooper (which JD deserves every second of what she dishes out for marrying someone young enough to be his daughter)(shut up about Amber Heard)
But she was the one using them for “clout”. That zapressa woman asked to meet up so their children could play and Alice only cared about making controversial hit tiktoks
Maybe she’s just baiting and I fell for it kek cause there is no way a person can have such a lack of self reflection, right?>>1521310sorry for further derailing but there’s a heard and depp thread >>>/ot/1159092 a lot of the shit (no pun intended) scrotes and pick mes use against her has been disproven
Alice literally drove across the country just to show up at random TikTok moms’ homes and film cOnTeNt with them. she only
makes “friends” for clout.
Honestly I didn’t even think about that, I think you are right nonas because surely she would have known that somebody would still send those stories to alice, so what’s the point of “sneakily spilling her secrets” (that are quite harmless imo like we didn’t know she also eats fried things and loves controversy).
Maybe a little tiktok drama will make up for the loss of her other account and keep generating content while she’s on vacay, for both parties
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Anyone know why ferns eye was very off in this video. The whole video one eye looks off.
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the face of nightmares
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Forgot the tiktok teeth whitening filter
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Shit, she didn’t blink once in that whole video.
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When she says she hasn’t worn shoes in years just know she is lying
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this does not look normal, but it doesn’t look like rickets. it looks like a kid whose groin hurts from diaper rash or just an overloaded diaper.
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I don’t get how she can stand to live like this.
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Alice’s “spam” account is unbanned and she’s smug as ever.https://www.tiktok.com/@alicellanispam
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She sounds so controlling, like Caleb/Fern/Fetus are not allowed to use toilet paper if they want to because she doesn’t like the chemicals!1!’ in tp.
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>>1529531>Aren’t some gum diseases considered harmful to the unborn?
An infection in your mouth can kill you by e.g. going to your brain (meningitis) or to your heart because the bacteria travels thru the bloodstream, so yes, if one of her teeth is rotting right now, it could be lethal to her unborn child.
It’s even discouraged to kiss newborns on the mouth because of their weak immune systems, now imagine all the extra bacteria and disease in her mouth
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she bird feeds him with that nasty mouth
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Her crunchyipadbaby account has been banned
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Why is she being so rough with her poor cat? The cat keeps checking out her phone and she either aggressively pulls it to her or pushes it to the ground and away.
This is a good point.
Don’t know if this behavior continued, but it sounds like fern puts himself to bed on the couch sometimes, probably trying to get his own space bc it’s too crowded. But I wonder if jealousy from new baby will change that.
I kick my cat when there’s a guest
overnight in my Queen bed. It’s actually a huge difference from Q to K. While not as large a difference F to Q
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She deleted the video so it's gone. I diddnt save it but I have screenshots, she's so filthy.
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poor kid looks sunburnt even with all the enhancing and filters. in the same post she showed the temperature on her car and it was 99 degrees. couldnt fucking imagine walking around in the hot arizona sun without spf kek
For babies it might be hunger, gas or just that they need a break from noise and activity. Here are some ways babies and young children show distress: Children's forehead may wrinkle. They may scrunch up their eyes and frown or pout.
I know he's not an "infant" but same concept. https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/infant_emotional_cues
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Yes! CPS intervention and involvement is an inevitable course of action here. The only question is how far things will spiral out of control when their entrance into the situation happens. Alice’s infamy is paramount in her life - nothing is more precious, not even her offspring. This is evidenced so clearly by her irresponsibility/recklessness with both their care and safety. She’ll feel internal pressure to push the boundaries for attention, probably sooner than later since people are starting to get bored with her… and she’ll take it too far. I’m not from the states, so I don’t know how heavy handed your CPS system is and how easy it’d be for her to redeem herself in the eyes of the system. Where I’m from, it can be as easy as taking a parenting course or cutting ties with the other parent (if they are deemed abusive
or dangerous). Fern deserves a better life than this. I believe that Alice loves him but I don’t believe for a second that she has the maturity nor correct judgement to parent. She may never. The animals also need to be removed from her care. I don’t mention fetus because I have a hard time believing she will bring the child earthside. The only positive thing that could come from her home birth is irreparable damage to her reproductive organs that’ll prevent her from being capable of having future pregnancies.
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wonder why she’s choosing to scribble his face in this picture?
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MIGHT be stale but I'm guessing Fern was born with congenital calcaneovalgus and whenever it didn't go away on its own, Alice never took him to the doctor for intervention. It can result in crooked legs. You're supposed to do daily stretches on their feet and avoid swaddles if a baby is born with this birth defect but I think we all know that our lazy queen would not bother.
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I know she's playing dumb on purpose to seem like she's not worried about any of the risks, but it just makes her look even more clueless and naive. The infant mortality rate for babies born in a US hospital is about 4 out of every 10,000. Home birth infant deaths are harder to account for because a lot go unreported, but the statistic is usually around 1 in 1000. You are gambling on your daughters life for tiktok clout Alice, remember that.
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Meant to add this screenshot
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Is his hair all cut/shaved short or is it just me?
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She probably is trying so hard to emulate those lulu/athleisure Tik Tok moms here. Monkey see, monkey do.. not very well.
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So she’s talking about how she was looking at her “future” neighbors backyards on google earth to see who has playgrounds. And one backyard, in her words, had a basic bitch playground, and how the HOAs rules are something like the playground can’t have a platform about a certain height and they have to agree to any playground you want to bring. I hate HOAs but sounds like typical HOA rules. She says she’s going to submit a proposal to change that OR they might go look somewhere else. Who wants to bet come September when they are suppose to move in that this’ll be the reason she claims they don’t move in and not the truth that they can’t afford it/can’t get approved for the loan.
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Girl looks a fucking mess.
I'm sorry but trying to sexualise your heavily pregnant body with your toddler in tow is fucking weird. Put some bloody clothes on.
Also her outdoor crunchy forager phase clearly never kicked off, she's more obsessed with buying shit than ever
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are these veins normal?
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Does she have an braincells left?!
It’s absolutely normal and common to have visible veins during pregnancy, even in places that you’d normally not notice them at all. It’s due to the increase of blood volume. >>1544849
Bang on, anon! A lot of these mothers relish in their children, seeing them as perfect reflections of themselves (/accessories), but then the drama begins once they learn to talk and start to experiment with independence.
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He can speak??
I doubt it's actual words. I would have said good morning to my son and he would have tried to mimic what I said, and it just comes out like "blah blahblah".
But I knew what he was trying to say.
But she wouldn't explain it like that, she wants us to believe he can speak coherently
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sure, let’s put shoes on him when he’s NOT walking on the ground.
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this is one of the more rank things she’s done lately. Who uses gym equipment barefoot? One, it’s dangerous, two, it’s disgusting, and three, I’m very certain this is against the terms and conditions she signed. she’s so fucking dirty.
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strange that, despite all of her strange beliefs (and weird societal notions), she’d feel compelled to shave her pits and bits. your performance veil is showing, alice.
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Fern is literally fucked. He already is super slow and begins with no signs of getting caught up. And now a baby sibling is going to occupy her completely till he reaches his next birthday, so there’s no way he’s going to have the opportunity to get caught up.
Does anybody else think this picture looks weird? Maybe it’s just the angle but something looks off to me like >>1548751
said, there’s an outline and the proportions look weird
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Poor Fern just seems like he's so uncomfortable.
She was a fucking psycho before she lost her daughter. There was no era of Alice being stable. The trauma intensified things, but in these situations it’s literally only a matter of time before something (ie. anything) triggers
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This is dually nightmare fuel and new sub pic material. I had to share.
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“Many autistic people like to bend their arms at about a 90 degree angle with their hands out in front of them. Some may droop their wrists. The autistic community has affectionately dubbed this pose “T-Rex arms.”
Kids got mad sensory issues and Alice is rubbing sand all over him… fucking bitch
That's not just sand, according to her, its nature's suncream!
Oh yeah I agree. I just think this pushed her from being a general psycho egirl to becoming someone who is dangerous.
I feel bad that she lost her daughter, I really do, but we're watching in real time what happens when you don't get help for your trauma. If she loses this baby too God knows how far off the deep end she'll go.
As for Fern, he'll be lucky if he doesn't grow up to be a serial killer. This whole 'letting the kid choose everything' is just going to create a spoiled monster who can't even function in society.
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what she should be worrying about is the added ingredients under her nails
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There’s so much shit between her teeth…nasty bitch
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Alice posted a bar of soap that she uses to brush her teeth. After literally 2 seconds of digging, I found the IG of the company, and they put out a statement that they put goats milk in all the bars. Not very vegan or her. I wonder if it gives her nightmares like she claims fishing does (not my screenshot)
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I personally think she’s not autistic. She has this (IMO, speculation)(armchairing)
she’s literally fucking BRUSHING HER TEETH WITH A BAR OF HAND SOAP
and you chose to focus on the fact that it’s not a vegan product? who cares about her veganism larp when she is literally rubbing salty hand soap on her gums and teeth
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Where does it say goatsmilk? I don't read labels often so I could be missing something but I'd assume it would have it listed?
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They seem to use goat’s milk on special orders. I couldn’t find the statement >>1557989
found. The closest thing was picrel from their Instagram highlights titled “Goat Milk Soap”. Full disclosure, I didn’t include all 6 slides, only the potentially relevant ones.
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Oh hun, no. They're not checking you out, they can't stop staring because you look like a dirty tramp, and you dress like a tween.
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Full diaper. Wet shirt. What the fuck did she do while trying to edit his leg??? Did she put it through a taffy stretcher like on willy wonka? Looks like his foot is swollen and she’s trying to hide it, or something. Where did his toes go?
I bet she’s in clean dry clothes, leaving fern in feces and soaking wet. Fucking bitch. She doesn’t deserve children. She probably is only having this baby bc she thinks it will help her “career” on tiktok. She’s so far out of touch with reality. It’s sad all we can do is watch the train crash, given she won’t change or take advice from anyone. She’s self destructing and taking her kids along with her.
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this was a comment alice made on that couple who posts “what we eat in a day as high raw vegans”
am i reading this wrong or is alice straight up making fun of people who can’t afford to spend their lives eating papaya and jackfruit?
Her classist attitude is nothing new. She posted “if you’re broke, just say that” on a video where she’s destroying her couch with food letting fern eat off of it. She lives in wage based housing and her hauls line up with the weeks that food stamps and cash assistance are distributed. Her husband is (was?) a front of the house worker, possibly manager? at a restaurant. That doesn’t pull in that much, one year I made more than my bosses salary waiting tables bc of my average tip percentage.
They have no money. I believe they returned the kia bc of this, when their heads were too far underwater. I also don’t believe they’re building a house. I don’t believe those two kunckleheads have anywhere near the financial requirements to obtain one.
I honestly believe she is so disgusting that when she is in public ppl see a heavily pregnant woman with a second infant (bc fern looks like a baby, not a toddler) at her hip and offer her money the same way homeless people ask for money.
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Probably cuz you’re fucking terrible at it. Also, what a privileged comment to make. She claims her parents are abusive, and for what? Not buying her a car on her 16th bday?
Maybe it was after she got knocked up and had an abortion and they were trying to keep track of her, rightfully.
She talks about how poor she was growing up, yet she wanted to bring a child into that home and into poverty? Nobody with a miserable childhood would want to bring their child into this world to have those same parents who traumatized you to help or even be around their kids.
I hate this stupid cunt. I hope Caleb scoops up both babies after Alice is passed out after the birth and RUNS. Allison needs professional, inpatient therapy sooner rather than later. She’s unhinged and it’s going to kill her children or at the very least set them up for a lifetime of physical and social issues.
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He’s regressed to crawling, I know for a fact I’ve seen him do stairs holding onto the railing…
“A 2 year old walks up and down stairs holding on to support” it’s on the milestone list. This is so fucking sad.
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That looks like sunscreen on her chest. Hypocritical, misinforming bitch.
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Ferns: 1: legs edited, and clearly crooked 2: standing on animal piss 3: saggy diaper down to his knees
Someone save this child.
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Ah yes, fern will sit by while his mother screams and bleeds out..
I can picture fern playing with his new sibling's umbilical cord while she lies passed out in some river.
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Disgusting mirror but redeems himself with toothpaste.
Also looks like contact lenses…
“Contact lenses are categorized as Class II medical devices, so most are tested on animals, typically rabbits. ”
NOT vegan. Glasses only.
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(In reference to her husband)
So This is her admitting she wears extensions (soooo crunchy) I’ve never seen a photo where his hair is longer. That’s probably what all the matting is about in her rats nest. Old tape ins tangled and hanging off. wonder if any spiders have built a nest in there.
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Put your hands up if you haven’t brushed your hair in years
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Fern literally about to step on puke in bare feet…then he climbs into a dog bed with Alice where they SLEEP. Fucking gross dude
Idk but she wants it in the middle of nowhere so nobody can call police/EMS who are mandated reporters and will report ferns extreme neglect.
If he were to wander off and disappear, she would 100% have nobody to blame but herself. And same with the new baby arriving.
If it dies Alice has to report it or it’s serious charges. And it’s illegal to transport a corpse across state lines. Probably illegal to bring a rotting organ across state lines too. Kek
(Not wishing bad on any of the kids, but I wish someone would whack some sense into this emaciated broad.
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I know we rag on her teeth a lot but this is particularly bad. They are literally rotting out of her mouth, I’ve never seen them look THIS bad. The filter must’ve came off or something.
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This is from her latest video…she looks deranged and extremely unwell… things really don’t look good, outcome-wise, for her or fetus if she’s planning to birth in this condition.
I really dont like alice, but im honestly kind of concerned about how this birth will go for her and her clump of cells.
God forbid shes on the road with screaming baby 1 and goes into labor at all, let alone if she has some sort of complication.
She knows the risks. She’s doing it on purpose. I have a good feeling she isn’t going to make it.. She looks EXTREMELY unwell. Her teeth look worse, her hair is falling out and breaking off. Her eyes are sunken and she’s like a weird gray color when she isn’t using trick of the light or a filter.
The swollen purple bags under her eyes show how exhausted she is.
The baseline at which she is entering this birth is 10x worse than fern.
That’s my prediction. She’s gonna not gonna survive bc of how negative of a baseline she is starting from.
She chose this. Maybe it’s a long drawn out method to end her own life. Her final cry for attention.
Jesus, our crunchy vegan queen isn't going out in the way of suicide via fetus. She's too much of a narcissist to even think about letting herself go. Stop being so dramatic, it isn't that deep.
Yesterday fern was eating oatmeal while sitting on the plush comforting asphalt in the literal road, and today, Allison is booked for maternity photos.
Let's expect the depressing upcoming content of Fern running around barefoot in a truckstop bathroom while Mama Neglect gets her crunchy self beautified.
Yikes, have the summerfags arrived or are scrotes browsing this thread? The typing is very dramatic so it could be either or. Anyway, she's just a naive PTSD ridden vitamin deficient "crunchy mom" propaganda victim
who's looking at life with rose tinted glasses, it's not that fucking deep relax faggot.
"y'all" Unironically kill yourself.>>1570798
Do you know what justify means you brain damaged half wit? Show me where exactly I provided justifications or excuses. I'm saying she's a naive mental case who spends too much time online, no where did I say that it wasn't her fault and responsibility. Clutch you're pearls elsewhere I said "it's not that deep" to the bizarre fanfiction that fucking fag cooked up about her wanting to die in labor on purpose and added 5 empty spaces for dramatic effect, it's a retarded take and deserves to be shamed.
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Man hands and clearly wipes her face on her sleeve. Pick a struggle
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Admitting they can’t afford the house. Imagine prioritizing an espresso machine and a kayak plus all the other random shit she compulsively buys over a nice home in a nice neighborhood for your son
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Reminds me of Alice and her emotional incest
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Like to comment ratio..oof she’s dodging all the comments calling her out for possibly lying about the house.
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This bitch is seriously “working out” in a skirt and flip flops…what is she thinking?
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The fact that he still fits in this is so sad.
I don’t think she is going to come out Alice. She looks dehydrated and like she has low hemoglobin, like the grey skin tint in videos she doesn’t edit, it’s the skin tint I had when I had a GI bleed. Your hemoglobin can only go so low before you die and there will be no emergency blood transfusions at the Alice palace general hospital.
That baby has sucked all the life from her.
Also wanna point how Fern is floppy and limp in her latest video jumping around with him at the splash pad. She hardly shows him anymore so something makes me think something is really wrong with him.
Like you said, it’s eerie in here bc I think a lot of us know that this likely won’t end well for anyone in that family.
And another unrelated thing: whyd she hire a cleaner if Caleb is fine with cleaning (as shown in other videos) ? I don’t get why you’d spend money on that if he’s done it in the past. She spends so much unnecessary money.
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No please what is this raggedy ass outfit?
Could fry an egg in that hair too, vom.
Also, I wonder is she just hanging about this house getting content until they tell her to leave, or will she find another building site once the real owners of this house move in?
If that house is real, she’s gonna destroy it with her hoarding and pet shit/piss. She can’t and won’t keep the litter box clean. She won’t bother to vaccum. Her neighbors are gonna HATE HER and she’s gonna come on tiktok bitching about HOA penalties and send her Stan’s to attack whatever review page she can find. The same way she tore apart the doctor on Google reviews (as seen on here)
All of this is more of an educated guess, but I’ll put tinfoil just in case.
Truthfully I don’t see her surviving this birth or it requiring her a long hospital stay after EMTs eventually come. She’s playing a really dangerous game.
To be fair, I think some of the silence is also the result of boredom. No matter how hard Alice tries to get even negative attentions, it’s repetitive. She’s losing relevance. The same ol’ tricks aren’t entertaining the crowd anymore. The only interesting things on the docket are speculation on her impending labour and whether or not they will actually move into this house. Both things are close enough, but there is only so many times the anons are going to tinfoil the construction pics or medfag the birth before you just wait to see what happens.
It’s a shame, this was one of my favourite cows/threads for a while. Perhaps it’ll get back there, or maybe it’ll crash to another end like LBW.
she’s just not as compelling once you realize she’ll do or say anything for attention and TikTok $$$. I wonder if she realizes how many people are only watching to see what happens with this birth, and that they’ll be out as soon as it happens. then she’ll really
have to up the ante. wonder what kind of stupid shit she’ll get up to next.
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pain relief? you’re telling me her son is in pain from his tooth decay caused by her neglect and she’s worried about it being “natural?”
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This is gross
great, ruin Fern’s $300 toy, one of the few things they own that’s developmentally appropriate for him. oh well, it’s not like she spent her
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Buys $500 dollar cars but let’s him sit in piss and take his picture. Change your fucking kid…his diaper AND his clothes. Negligent piece of shit.
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Same picture different zoom… shows a tear in his armpit and his shirt is filthy. How come Alice makes herself so presentable in her “maternity” skirts and swimsuit but fern is in clothes that don’t fit or are soiled/ripped. Poor fern, his shirt was probably used as toilet paper.
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I tried to upload the video, but it’s too long. it’s here though: https://www.reddit.com/r/aliceandfernsnark/comments/w66ndc/seen_this_about_alice_and_fern_being_abused/
Birdie says Caleb abuses Alice, Fern, and
their pets. she reiterates that he hurts Fern and threatens to kill him. Birdie said she offered to help Alice escape and let her stay there, but Alice went back to Caleb and blocked her. she also said in the comments that there’s an open CPS case.
then she posted this and went private.
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The subreddit is imploding. The mods continue to defend Caleb and claim that they have an inside source that they can’t disclose. Many users are fed up
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they’re saying one of their mods is a gaming buddy of Caleb’s, so there’s no way he could be abusive
. tbh the mods over there are proving to be cows themselves. someone made a sub just for them kek, picrelhttps://www.reddit.com/r/aliceandfernmodsnark/
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No way, this is gold. It’s funny that everything is exploding when Alice has barely been posting. I want more info on the mods
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Why would someone so close to Caleb be permitted to be a mod? Just bc someone games with Caleb doesn’t mean they know him outside of his gaming world.
More tea… it was someone within his circle who leaked his employment through an anonymous account on Reddit. The person abandoned the account before the post was removed from Reddit.
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Caleb is cheating on Alice allegedly
This is from the AMA that is happening on the subreddit right now.
This is from someone who supposably knows Alice and Caleb but won’t disclose their identity.
there’s an AMA on her subreddit right now with someone who is “verified” according to mods. https://www.reddit.com/r/aliceandfernsnark/comments/w6mdse/this_is_the_ama/
I’m still going through it but some juicy things:>Caleb “isn’t faithful to her”>Alice is aware he has cheated on her>she hasn’t had any kind of prenatal care yet, but might soon in order to comply with DFCS (!)>Fern used to suffer from some kind of medical neglect, but is doing better now (teeth?)>sounds like she has to start taking him to an actual pediatrician and follow up with referrals to comply with DFCS, too>Alice was censoring his face recently because of his dental work>this person doesn’t know what happened to the bunny she killed with the avocado, but she rehomed a second bunny and a cat>the house is apparently real>Alice is aware of her sub, and reads it (so she probably reads here too kek)>she wanted to go to the hospital during labor with Fern, but Caleb stopped her>she didn’t receive a scholarship to Cornell (lol we been knew)>she’s less crunchy IRL>this person has never witnessed abuse, but has heard Caleb yell at Alice>also says neither is innocent in the abuse>she doesn’t have many real life friends left, but she lies to them too>Caleb is as uninvolved IRL as he seems online>he is more anti-government than crunchy (so people can stop speculating that he “made” her be crunchy)>some of her crunchy views he agrees with, others he just deals with>Fern still can’t talk like Alice pretends he does>Alice’s “traumatic” childhood is an exaggeration with “seeds of truth”>
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More alleged cheating
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who on earth would ever cheat with this
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maybe that’s why Alice is so obsessed with being a ~teen~
maybe this is why Caleb has been using toothpaste and shampoo when she’s out kek
We can do both nonnie
Call me evil but I’m in the same mindset as you. “It I hit a million followers I’ll host daddy ferns new child” she’s fucked up. This is gonna end so badly. She looks so anemic and she’s not starting from the same strength as she did with ferns birth.
I really hope the baby is ok, but I get the feeling one or both lives will be lost due to her stupidity. It’s a really sad reality and it’s gonna be interesting coming back here after everything is said and done:
she brought that upon herself.
everyone seems to forget that she literally advertised her life to her teen audience. told teen girls to get married and have kids cause they're the most "fertile". told her young impressionable fans that older women who warn them are just jealous old cunts and every 30+ woman is just jealous of a teenager girl's fertility. told them having a career as a wife is just being given a "bad deal". also accusing and shit-talking her poor family online.
she dug her grave and she can lie in it
No one says she “deserves” abuse. At a certain point I think everyone just has to accept that if something really
bad is going to happen, it was going to happen regardless of any snarking online, and it’s going to happen because unfortunately Alice is refusing to do the right thing for her children because she’s either too stupid or too stubborn. She has been such an outspoken, opinionated, arrogant know-it-all for years now and has been selling her “trad” lifestyle to teen girls they way an MLM hun sells shitty oils. She has been bragging and showing off about how good she has it and how great it is to get married and pregnant as a teenager, be financially dependent on a man blah blah blah, all of THAT behaviour overshadows whatever victimization she has gone through by a long shot. She is the moral equivalent of a pimp or predatory drug dealer. Most of them have tragic stories, too
Child abuse warrants the same behavior to come back around to you. ALICE IS ABUSIVE
are you forgetting that? Fern can’t walk or speak at 2 years old and is getting no intervention. And apparently is getting beat by his father (who also beats the animals). She’s a die hard vegan yet allows that to happen? She’s a fucking vile piece of shit and I hope social services takes those kids and gives them to a family who will love and care for them, preferably Caleb’s parents. They raised 2/3 kids right at least…fern has better luck with them than his fucktard parents. Polio is making a come back, there’s a case in New York. Hopefully it doesn’t make its way to AZ for ferns sake.
did they raise caleb right though? he’s an abusive
POS who works as a fry cook while repeatedly popping out kids be he hates
Saluting you, nona. I was resigned to this being a hopeless situation destined solely for tragedy. It’s a relief to know that external forces are intervening and there is a glimmer of hope for the futures of both Fern & Fetus. If Alice is diagnosed autistic (which is kind of moot because regardless
she obviously is) then it is quite likely that Fern is as well. When you add the fact that he is NOT talking at age 2, a literal red flag in his development, then it’s even more reason to worry. Early intervention is crucial and gives the best prognosis. Even if the autism is only presenting as small quirks and speech delay right now, that’s not necessarily going to be the base for how he’ll continue on. Regression is definitely a thing. If both Alice and Fern have autism, that’s now two close relatives for Fetus and their likelihood of also having it now jumps. I know that the autism is one of many details, but how this is handled could mean the world of difference for Fern’s quality of life as he ages. I’m truly hoping that he gets the supports that he needs and, if Alice is unable to accept that, then that he is taken from her and placed with someone in a better state or mind/health themselves to allow him a better future.
No I mean like child protective services needs to intervene, Alice will probably never be able to see the situation for what it truly is and even when she has moments of clarity and exposes Caleb's abusive
behavior towards Fern she just reverts back to denial and returns to him. That's why she needs some authority to make that decision for her, it's essentially like getting an abused wife to leave her spouse. It's nearly impossible to get through to the abuse victim
and if there's kids in the mix it's even harder. Good for Birdie for trying though, I wish Alice would've stayed with her.
This is a cope. I’m going to boldly put it out there and say Caleb gives little to no fucks about Aurelia’s passing, especially this many years out. If he does use it himself to justify his own behaviour then it’s nothing more than a crutch or manipulative tactic to play on Alice’s PTSD. Full stop, that’s not me trying to victimize Alice. It’s just a predictable move in their mutually abusive
relationship. She probably loves to tell people he’s so affected by her death, even though she knows deep down that he’s not (or at least nowhere near that impacted) because it helps give the incident external significance in her storyline. The most empathetic of men aren’t so moved by this kind of loss. They are more connected with the mother than a child they’d never met or bonded with (mom gets to bond and attach during the time in utero). I also struggle to believe that this loser is hurt over losing a daughter, you can easily understand his mentality towards women. Had Fern passed, perhaps he might have guilted Alice for losing his son. Not his daughter though.>>1597325
Caleb doesn’t give a flying fuck about Alice or the kids, alive or dead or baking. If your first child was lost tragically in a birthing process, wouldn’t you at least be inclined to be actively participating? There is no way he considers Alice capable or intelligent. This is further backed by how he treats her. I also doubt he was hung up to have this new baby. We are supposed to believe Caleb, who Alice initially broke up with because he “wasn’t ready” to have a family, was desperate to have another child with Alice, who fixates on young birth/pregnancy? Caleb probably figured it’d keep her busy & out of his hair so he could fuck other women (… girls?) without interference.
Can we please stop defending and feeling bad for this pickme bitch? She's not some trapped battered woman, she has explicitly said she puts up with this shit so that she doesn't have to get a job or sell her pussy. She had a settlement that she could have used to leave and spent it on garbage for tiktok likes. She neglects her child, enables his father to abuse him, and deliberately created a brand new victim
of her disgusting situation. All so she can fake-live her dream of being a kept woman influencer.
Yes Caleb is absolutely horrible and vomit inducing but women who enable these types of scrotes and breed with them are even worse because they should know better. She's no more mentally ill than any of the other autists we make fun of here and she's a child abuser on top of it. Get a grip.
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She makes her parents out to be Abusive monsters when she was a kid bc she wanted to be vegan and they didn’t let her. But then she’s saying fern can’t make his own free decisions till he’s 18 lol
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Mods are claiming Caleb messaged them this
Sounds like bullshit. Abusive
moid is getting found out and him and his shit family lie. Fern deserves better all around
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posted on her instagram a few minutes ago, what the fuck is wrong with her toe? it looks necrotic.
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Mrs. girl is lookin rough
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given her obsession with youth, I’m surprised she never considered that every kid you have ages you. literally drains your life force. not good when you had none to begin with~
Alice recently started working out (in flip flops and shorts) so now she’s the CEO of working out
I think she’s only working out because she realizes her metabolism is going to be shot to absolute hell after this baby comes and she’s trying to mitigate the outcome a bit.
I just know anyone else in the gym at the same time as her is laughing at how fucking stupid she looks.
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She posted it in a Freebirther group a while back, I saved the screenshot but I left the group so I can’t remember what the exact name was
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she likes to brag about how she went back to being skinny right away. yikes
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She put on jewlery (rings and bracelet) 12 hours after a picture of her grey deathly body passed out in the bed? Where fern is laying there like a naked mole rat when he should’ve been swaddled bc new horns need that. I fucking hate her so much. Pathological liar.
Where’s proof of the payout? Never seen it in any sub and it’s a no fault state. Also, are you new here???
She has stated over and over that she delayed care significantly by refusing the EMS opinion to go to the hospital bc there was a red mark across the belly (everyone second counts with a possible placenta detachment). And the doctors did whatever they could. She blames the vitamin k shot too. When in reality it was the crash. It doesn’t matter how the crash happened as much as it matters how catastrophic it was to the pregnancy. The crash killed the babyx
I literally said I think the baby died because she refused medical care kek?>I think her waiting a while after the accident before going to the hospital is probably why her baby passed away
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised you can’t read because you obviously didn’t even read the accident report that states the other driver (a father who was distracted by his child) was the one who caused the accident. There is proof of the payout but I’m not spoonfeeling someone as rude as you. Figure it out yourself, or don’t idc.
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oh, for fuck sakes. trim the poor kid’s bangs or at least use the grease from not washing to push them to the side. poor fern already has his legs working against him as a walking hazard, he doesn’t need partial visibility in the mix too.
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nta but they might be talking about the one or two TTs she’s made about the settlement (picrel)? i don’t personally count those as proof because she lies so much. i do however have no issues believing she got a settlement. obligatory tinfoil but when someone is in a car accident and injured, insurance companies offer them a bodily injury settlement to prevent litigation, i believe the amount is based on damages. she most likely received the policy's max settlement because the accident resulted in her daughters death. i would be more surprised if she didn’t get some kind of payout after reading the report.
I might get attacked for this but whatever, god knows what fate waited for Aurelia in a life with Alice as her mom if this accident had never happened. I cant fathom how much having a daughter would send Alice spiralling and unfortunately
we might soon find out.
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love how delusional she is to think 30lbs weight gain for someone as underweight as her is too much?? it's literally the recommended amount for pregnant women
Can someone explain to me why exactly Caleb refused her to go to the hospital with fern? Because he isn’t like “super crunchy” he uses hygiene products and does whatever. So why would he care if she got medical assistance? Is it some sort of abusive
flex? But she does seem pretty detached from him. Lately, over the summer while pregnant she shows more pictures and stories of herself on the road and in car than she does at home. Seems like she’s basically living out of her car most of the time, again I suppose.
Alice coached Caleb (like the other freebirthers) to talk them out if seeking medical help. He didn’t block the door and tell her no, she could’ve called an ambulance.
“Caleb wouldn’t let her go” I don’t believe that for a second. Robyn with that baby Luna said the exact thing about her birth story, “her husband made her stay when she wanted to go to the hospital” that community is psychotic. Luna came out with severe deficits since she was starved of air and is basically a potato Robyn uses to dress up. Both her and Alice are fucking exploitive and evil and should be sterilized and banned from the internet.
My prediction, baby is still born and Alice dies of blood loss.
I don’t wish that on them, but it’s a very realistic prediction. She looks lifeless, pale, sickly as it is. She’s going into birth at her weakest point, it’s not going to turn out well.
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Alice said she was going to use the Dory sound on tiktok when she goes into labor. She used the sound and wrote "let's turn this fetus into a baby" so I'm pretty sure she's in labor.
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welp, they both survived the birth. no other details yet. i’m thoroughly shocked.
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samefag, i guess that i shouldn’t have saged my last post. picrel for your cringes and to bump the thread.
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Ew she had fern in the tub while she was giving birth
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Tiktok has marked this vid as sensitive content lol
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It’s just gonna sit in the Tupperware right next to the nice headboard aughh that’s an accident waiting to happen. Also having the placenta just open to the air where it can collect microorganisms. cheers
>>1608345>alice sees “being a mom” as … a meal ticket
exactly. she literally said this. she thinks women should just shit out as many children as possible with whichever man is dumb enough to donate his sperm, as a form of insurance — now the man has
to pay up. college? job? that’s man stuff, just get knocked up.
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kek, literally picrel
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This is disgusting and so unsafe? Like if the child rolls over at all it has a risk of not only suffocating but snapping the fragile cord. People really shouldn’t be allowed to do whatever weird shit they want to their infants.
awww what a cute bab—OH SWEET JESUS WHAT IS
THAT THINGoh, that's just my rotting placenta
Great, hope the flies find it and some larvae start crawling through it soon.
Also, I grew up on a farm and cats and cows actually eat the placenta right away, so keeping it attached is not even natural.
Nta but probably
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Alice is complicit in the abuse, she should have both kids taken from her.
As for Caleb? He’s probably like “Yay, another punching bag!” Alice is shit for not taking the opportunity to get her kids out of harms way. I mean, besides fern getting punched in the stomach, look at their sleeping arrangement. She’s fucking retarded, so is Caleb. Why didn’t god make them infertile.
Also, I wonder why she’s not using the dirty ass owlet. The shit all over it probably didn’t come out with vinegar.
agree that Alice is complicit but IMO bedsharing won’t be what gets these kids. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/16/well/family/sudden-infant-death-syndrome-study.html
it’s going to be some easily-preventable infection that we eradicated in the 1800s. but at least it’s all-natural!
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dare we question alice’s placement of this white heart? she is obviously trying to cover something up on fern’s back.
i'd believe some tinfoil on this easily, nonnie
. funny that she's become so fucking sus to the point that even a little emoji covering her kid raises suspicion of physical injury
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here’s Caleb seasoning the placenta
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this is the worst fucking thing I've ever seen. Never eating meat again kek
She’s gonna preach all that shit and the girl is gonna find this snark and all her contradictions.
Imagine she gets her period and Alice hands her a dirty vinegar wash cloth… the girl asks for pads or tampons and Alice doesn’t buy them for her bc she’s fucked up like that.
They’re gonna have their entire childhood plastered everywhere, and grow up in their psychotic abusive
parents shadow in a cat urine and caca filled apartment. (Or house soon I guess?)
It's actually abit of both.
The salt is to preserve it, the lavender and other shit is to mask the smell because otherwise it would stink so bad as it's decaying.
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Is she drinking her afterbirth water? What is that?
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It’s a boy. Caleb’s mom posted this.
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Another ss from caleb’s dad’s twitter just for extra proof.
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Sombody asked what the babies name was, this was father in laws response.
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Real or troll?
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Her baby is so ugly I guess it doesn’t help that she dresses it like tingle from legend of Zelda. Truly tho they all look like they have some chromosomes missing.
Whoa, Alice is an abusive
pos but let’s not bully an actual infant just because they got the misfortune of being born as her child. Poor baby is a victim
in all of this.
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We have a chance
Nona, he can't read. Even if you read it to him he wouldn't understand.
I've seen some pretty ugly babies grow up to be way cuter. Don't worry about it
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I'm glad she didn't bounce back as quickly as the last time and she still has a tummy.
it's good that she's humbled LMAO
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also the head shape looks weird
Something definitely looks wrong with it. She’s such a smug cunt in that birth picture, as if her other home born child didn’t end up with hip and leg problems and slow cognition. Like, we didn’t forget about poor fern and all his issues? You’re not out of the woods yet, she has no idea if there’s anything wrong, more will show overtime and she’ll start censoring the baby too.
Does anyone think it’s fucking weird she doesn’t show ferns face anymore, but only the baby? WhTs the logic with that? You only care about one kids privacy? If you can’t speak that means you automatically consent? She’s a disgusting horseshit mother. Where’s CPS when you need them.
What about the love handles? She just looks…swollen. Even her face. I’m so glad she’s focused on her raging ED and body issues, i your kid is here and all you have to post about us how the baby made you “chubby” ? And how it “ruined” her body? I hope it gets bad enough where she goes to the hospital.
I bet that’s why she’s religiously pumping bc it burns so many calories.
I’m so excited to watch her crash and burn and get what she deserves.
No baby will ever fill the whole of auriela dumb bitch, go to therapy. Babies will not fill that void regardless of having more and what they genders are.
Wonder what she’s gonna do with all that baby girl stuff now?
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Ferns hair is so greasy they obviously never wash it
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cashew kind of looks like the dueling banjos kid
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I raise you: Sid from toy story
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Serious question, are all these little plastic bags crunchy?
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Pardon the length…
This isn’t the flex she thinks it is, it’s fucking sad. Obviously he’s been cooped in the house since the birth and stuff so it’s not even like you can excuse it bc “he’s been playing hard all day” … the other picture I saw was him sleeping next to baby. When is the last time any of us have seen fern alert, playing, happy, talking etc. ? So. Fucking. Sad.
Alice you miserable piece of shit, get your tubby ass off the scale and put your child in A dark quiet room with an appropriate bed and let him catch up on sleep.
Also, didn’t she talk about how AMAZING the bond is with freebirth? Yet she won’t even hold the baby to feed it the bottle and jetted off to target to get away from it as soon as her taint stopped bleeding.
Also, I bet she only hired cleaners bc the in-laws were coming, nothing to do with her caring about her kids wallowing around in squaller. Fern would still be smearing cat shit into the carpet every step and playing on the floor in cat piss if it weren’t for Reddit calling her out.
God really tried to tell her “motherhood isn’t for you” by calling auriela home. Bitch didn’t listen and now is paying the price for her own stupid mistakes. Maybe not fern but def having the second one when she completely failed (and continues to fail) the first baby she had.
She’s realizing it’s not just tiktoks and instagrams, it’s her real, actual life. And I think she’s miserable with her choices and where she is and the awful human, wife and mother she’s become.
Eat shit Alice. You deserve every problem you have and I’m glad you got cheated on. If your kids tragically end up with cancer I hope a shitty person tells you the same thing you told another mom of a cancer kid, then it was her fault.
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Agreed. Here, we all thought she had “cheated” her sans pre-natal care BS to confirm the gender. That was actually soothing tinfoil because it was like, yeah she’s a fucking half-wit for pushing this stuff on people, but at least she probably actually isn’t following it. But, NOPE.
Alice is just one of those dumbasses who somehow think their “maternal intuition” (kek) was unquestionable, meanwhile that “intuition” is really unhealthy projection. Sorry Alice, no girls for you to compete with! Considering that’s what would happen the second that they hit double digits.
She’s probably finding solace in the fact that she still has her little trophy/accessory for now but wait until she has two screaming autistic kids hobbling around with their rickets. We’ll see how zen and intuitive she is then.
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i swear she must just be trying to troll but at the same time how can you take it this far? fuck alice sympathizers in this chat. this woman is synonymous with abuse. i wouldn’t be surprised if she punches fern too, the way she abused the cat.
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samefag, i retract. i thought the bag was cashew swaddled initially. i see she’s simply trying to attend to our observations that she’s not doing anything with fern.
ayrt, thanks! She really doesn’t seem to bond with her new one except for the performative social media posts and I think you and the other nonas are right about pumping to burn calories. Can you imagine if a year ago, any other creator would have said she didn’t want to breastfeed because of sensory issues, how Alice would look down on her for not being a perfect mom?
Everything she’s been preaching is really coming back to bite her in the ass and it’s sad that innocent children are involved.
He’s wearing shoes and a cute outfit, in laws def brought stuff for him. How sad that they find it necessary? How are they supportive of their sons nasty bitchass wife who keeps popping out kids collecting her welfare checks, where’s the money going Alice? You abusive
piece of shit.
The and the grandparents also just sit back and do nothing. They should apply for temporary custody and turn Alice and Caleb into CPS. They might lose their son and daughter in law bc they won’t ever want to speak to them again, but isn’t it worth saving 2 children from a life of suffering and abuse?
Does she even want to be a mother anymore at this point, bc it feels like she checked out.
Alices kids should go to the family member who adopted their child and let them raise them. Anything is better than leaving them with Alice and Caleb. Why did two people with no business having a kid plan to have TWO (and possibly more). I just can’t.
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The kid went through major dental repair from too much sugar and inadequate brushing and she buys him gummies. Gummies are the worst for teeth, she’s so stupid.
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I hope to god she isn’t using the old milk in the bottles in the fridge
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Yeah, let’s get Caleb trashed so he can pass out on the baby. These two are fucking retards.
My personal tinfoil is that she buys all the beer in bulk for him, only shows him on the video games and claims he is abusive
or a bad dad to make him look bad. I really hope he is just being kept from doing anything and was waiting for the baby to be born to take action and get both fern and baby to safety and he really is a good dad but she presents him like a bad dad to try and win future court cases.
Arizona try’s for 50/50 custody automatically but any proof she has could win her case of him only getting visitation.
But most of why I think this is because I don’t believe a word she says. She seems very manipulative.
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Calebs greasy hair wtf.. how is he allowed to work at a restaurant
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Baby officially turning to a toddler and gender disappoint/PPD…damn…double homicide.
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Fern……. IT'S GOOFY TIME
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I also love how she talked so much about how they’d all be cosleeping together once fetus arrived and yet here he is, in the bassinet, with way too many blankets. After all the shit she talked there’s no way she doesn’t know this is unsafe.
he literally has alice’s ears. these children are her splitting image.
and good fucking god, she actually is naming this child cashew. i am horrified.
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miss “I nEvEr wEiGh MySeLf” showing off her ED again. nitpick but she looks 40 in this video.
It won’t, actually. A lot of parents think that but children actually need to be spoken to by the adults and peers in their lives to learn language.
As far as fern being autistic, I highly doubt it to be honest. There’s no signs aside from his speech delay and he only has that cuz he has no friends and his parents are neglectful.
There was another video where she was with him at the beach and was rubbing sand all over his body and his face looked disgusted and he had his arms up in that weird t-rex arms pose. And he’s done that thing with his arms a few other times but other than that I haven’t noticed any telling features.
He’s just a docile, sleep deprived toddler. I never see him running, playing, happy etc.
unrelated: How sad is it that she isn’t planning anything fun for his birthday when she went all out for his first birthday last year. She’ll probably buy him another car and call it good. Poor kid doesn’t even get to actually use them.
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This looks like a public place seeing as there’s park benches in the background. Is she not aware how many chemicals and how much fertilizer they use to maintain grass like that in such a hot, dry climate? And now it’s all over your newborns skin. Congrats Allison, another reason on the list of why you’re a negligent piece of shit. You belong in jail for disfiguring fern.
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This timing doesn’t check out. She did not even have the land till fern was like 8 months old, I swear.
Why is she insinuating the house was a thing before she conceived fern?
She’s so full of it. She wants to manipulate her followers and not have to answer questions about it. She’s a slimey snakey bitch.
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The fuck Alice! Sneeze does not need to be in a car seat that long it's bad enough you do it to fern let alone a newborn who shouldn't be in a car seat for longer periods
I’m going to tell you right now that Fern is not deprived of interaction and language exposure to the extent that y’all are trying to imply. Children’s brains are designed to absorb. If he was locked in an empty room with zero interaction for months on years, then yes. That would be social deprivation hindering him from communicating. Even overhearing strangers talk to each other, is exposure. He’s not closeted from the physical world, rather he’s inappropriately inserted into it.
I’m pretty sure it’s been confirmed that Alice is diagnosed Autistic but, let’s say she is actually self-diagnosed.. are you going to tell me that you don’t agree?
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Whyd she stop taking fern to the pool? Separate: She claims she was a volunteer swim instructor. So why doesn’t she teach fern to swim? Ferns not a baby anymore so she just stops taking him?
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Kek no wonder fern is all messed up, look how she carried him
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Now she’s the opposite, keeping him awake days at a time to suit her unhinged mania. I am about to put together a collage of ferns faces in her videos where he’s passed out or looks absolutely crabby and miserable. I’ll be back…it’s gonna be a lot
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They hired a builder almost a year ago? Does that line up with her other lies?
It gets worse. At 1 point she claimed she was diagnosed at 3 months old because she cried in a movie theater. Then she claimed it was because her parent vaccinated her. Then self diagnosis. It’s been different everytime she talks about her diagnosis.
I do not believe she is actually autistic because her reasons are the things you see on tiktok that can be traits of other similar conditions or stereotypes. Also her reasons are all things she has proven she doesn’t do.
Not liking to show skin
Being great with animals and kids.
Like those aren’t autistic traits and even if they were she doesn’t actually have them.
Now could she be, yes
Am I a doctor who could make a diagnosis from her videos, no and it wouldn’t be ethical for a dr to do so
Could fern potentially be autistic from what we have seen, yes
He is delayed in social and communication skills. He shows a lot of the traits needed. With or without a potentially autistic mother he should be evaluated
But he also shows several other delays in motor and fine motor skills which likely is due to neglect so that would need to be resolved first.
My knowledge is not from being a dr but from being an autistic mom of two kids who has worked with various special needs people and programs my entire life. Many of these programs train you to look out for the signs. Because you are a mandated reporter.
Also to the person who said you can’t learn to talk from tv. That’s old info that has been updated. Autistic children specifically tend to learn better from watching tv or educational videos. It’s currently being heavily studied but they are noticing a difference in using educational shows to aide in language development. But it obviously hasn’t helped fern soooooo. Alice should be trying to actually teach him.
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The worst part is just like everything else Alice goes back and forth between saying fern’s autistic, saying she doesn’t know yet, and calling him neurotypical. She can never keep her story straight, at this point not even she knows if he’s autistic or not and probably never will because she’s a shit mother who neglects her kids needs.
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“Baby shew” sounds like shrew to me
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Do you think she’ll do this to baby shrew?
I did that. I pumped until for my kids because their sensory issues made them not like breast feeding. So I pumped and had an over supply naturally before we started pumping.
My kid was still almost failure to thrive because not all breast milk is fatty enough
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It’s sad that exploiting her children has made them the target of insults. This is from a completely random video about jeans yet the reference to Ferns leg has got almost 15k likes.
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FIL on twitter. stg this man loves to expose her lol.
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Why is he yellow
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She’s so frumpy now.. time to put the schoolgirl outfits in the dumpster alice
She was showing the weight on the scale for a
while but once she said "I'm back to my pre
baby weight" she stopped showing the scale.
She didn't lose the weight and is just
pretending she did. >>1619300>>1615799
Pretty sure she’s said she’s 5’5 or 5’6 making 100 pounds underweight, this is not what an underweight woman looks like lol.
Nahhh she only sees $$$ when it comes to Caleb and his family. I can’t imagine the parents cutting off Caleb ever, so they probably cough up money when they’re short on cash. Idk, tinfoil I guess… but seems plausible given the fact that she spends so carelessly, they HAVE to have had bills that they couldn’t pay bc the months she has mania and drives cross country when gas prices are $4. I’m sure they want Caleb to leave her ass. If only he woke up and realized. He really fucked himself into this. Why? WHY? The court won’t appoint either of these clowns custody if they went to court. Ain’t no way.. foster care immediately. Best interest of the child.
Unrelated: does Alice play into calebs teen fetish And dress in teen clothes or a cheer outfit, just so he can get it up?
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Fern looks uhh ..
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Cut his hair out his eyes Jesus
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What are those bottles? Is Caleb decorating this apartment like a college dorm room?
Maybe infant hyperbilirubinemia (which causes jaundice, like >>1619308
said). It isn't uncommon and usually sorts itself out over time, I think.