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No. 1373450

Allison (Alice) is known on TikTok for being a crunchy mom, vegan, and self-proclaimed tradwife.

>met husband Caleb Bender when she was 14; he was 18

>says she left him for two years because he didn’t want to get married and start a family, so she was ~17 and he was ~21
>got married as soon as she turned 19; immediately got pregnant
>in February 2019, Allison was in a car crash at 29 weeks pregnant
>sent to the hospital in an ambulance; delivered the baby via emergency cesarean
>baby Aurelia didn’t survive
>Allison first blamed the C-section, later the vitamin K injection
>announced second pregnancy in February 2020
>refused prenatal care because she thinks ultrasounds have radiation
>chose to “freebirth” instead
>i.e. gave birth alone on her toilet in their apartment; fished out her own placenta from her uterus two hours later
>Fern was born in August 2020
>Allison believes all women should be willing to die alone in childbirth rather than go to the hospital or have C-sections
>Fern is dressed gender neutral, except when Allison makes him wear her dead daughter’s dresses
>vegan except for her expensive leather baby stroller
>claims her parents were abusive because they fed her meat as a child
>anti-vaxx; bragged about telling people not to wash their hands before holding her newborn, but she’s nervous around people who got the covid vaccine
>lets Fern eat dirt, sticks, rocks, shopping cart handles, etc. because she breastfeeds
>refuses to wear sunscreen or put it on her infant because she thinks vegans can’t get sunburns
>believes she is smarter than doctors despite only having a GED & dropping out of college
>hasn’t worked since she quit Victoria’s Secret during her first pregnancy because #tradwife
>refuses to say what Caleb does for a living; according to a GoFundMe set up after the car crash, he previously worked at a sports bar in a strip mall

There’s definitely loads more and she is sketchy as hell, but all she ever does is posts online, so it’s a lot to sift through.

She’s had some press coverage in the U.S. and U.K., and she obviously likes the attention. Her look has changed drastically since she started getting popular, and it seems slightly at odds with her crunchy all-natural organic vegan persona (hair & lash extensions, acrylic nails, e-girl makeup).

The Sun:
- “I’m a vegan mum & think baby formula should be illegal, I’ll breastfeed my son until he’s 4 & he decides when he sleeps” https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/2585143/vegan-mum-baby-formula-illegal-breastfeed-baby-four/
- “I refuse to put sun cream on my baby – people say I’m mad but they’re filled with chemicals & I know I’m right” https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/14984203/refuse-sun-cream-baby-filled-chemicals/
- “Mum feeds her baby like a bird by PRE-CHEWING his food leaving people stunned” https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/15758083/mum-feeds-baby-like-bird-by-pre-chewing-food/

Daily Mirror:
- “Mum defends letting her baby eat dirt and chew on sand to 'build his immune system’” https://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/mum-defends-letting-baby-eat-24000677
- “Mum sparks controversy by refusing to put sunscreen on her nine-month-old baby” https://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/mum-sparks-controversy-refusing-put-24133359

Daily Mail: “Vegan mother, 22, reveals she lets her baby, 8 months, chew sand and rocks and lick shopping cart straps because germs are good for his immune system and her breast milk is 'medicine’” https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9524743/Vegan-mother-22-lets-baby-eight-months-eat-sand-rocks-lick-shopping-trolleys.html

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/alicellani/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@alicellani / https://www.tiktok.com/@aliceandfern
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvTBOZRCShzsEd0guqg2Qw
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Comingupfern1
Amazon wishlist: just kidding, but of course she has multiple

No. 1373474

She spends like $500 a week on groceries yet wastes money on cheap unethical fast fashion. Makes no sense to me.

No. 1373475

they’re on SNAP, and she doesn’t care who’s making her clothes

No. 1373505

saged for no milk but alice does not believe all women should freebirth, she's just fed up with how abusive the birthing industry can be in the usa. she's my favourite tard

No. 1373507

I agree that the American birth system is inherently abusive, but Alice acts like you can only have one or the other. that’s not true. if she actually interacted with other mothers instead of shaming them, she might see that too.

and then she wouldn’t be spreading dangerous misinformation, telling women it’s better to push out a baby alone on the toilet rather than in the presence of midwives and doulas at the hospital or birth center.

No. 1373510

she’s all about CONSENT but poor Baby Fern never consented to any of this, and he is several years away from being able to.

like imagine your whole life being plastered on the internet by your Big Consent mom, before you can say the word “no”

No. 1373518

I have been waiting for this! Thank you for creating this thread anon. I cannot stand this woman’s condescending tone and her hate towards older moms/women. I don’t get why she’s so vile against older moms. It’s very weird. I feel terrible for Fern too having his whole life plastered online. She also puts him into incredibly dangerous situations like eating whole grapes and blueberries, taking him out in the heat without sunscreen, taking him to sketchy parks in the middle of the night. Something is so off with this woman.

No. 1373519

Does anyone know what her husband does that allows her to afford all that? I also think it’s hilarious she talks down on people who are not vegan yet gets her nails done and wears clothes that are not ethically sourced. When she’s called out she says ‘she’s not perfect and at least she’s trying.’ Like girl people wouldn’t call you out for these things if you weren’t so condescending in your tone to others. If she was a vegan that just minded her own business and documented her life with her baby then no one would call her out. But it’s the fact that she’s so belittling in her tone. She reminds me so much of Onision. Especially when she uses that little manipulative voice. Onision does the same thing.

No. 1373534

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the only person she follows on Twitter is Nuance Now. imagine being that desperate.

she posted recently that he started a new job https://www.tiktok.com/@alicellani/video/7031964845998394670

but there's speculation that he got fired from the last one because of her TikToks

the only confirmed employment for either of them is The Hub and Victoria's Secret. the rest is food stamps and Biden Buxxx, which is ironic.

BUT there are also rumors from people who work in organic markets near her that she'll walk around for hours filming, then walk around and put the food back on the shelves.


No. 1373538

I could see her doing that. Posing with the food just to put it back. She brags all the time about how much she spends and it just comes off show offy to me. It’ll be interesting to see her get called out more the more people recognise her in public.

As far as her husband goes that would suck if he lost his job because of her but honestly her account is loaded with dangerous misinformation I wouldn’t doubt it could start affecting his life too.

I wonder if having Bidens money is what’s helping them build this new house. It’s just crazy that she spends an astronomical amount of money while they are building a new home.

No. 1373541

she brags about OUR $300 GROCERY HAUL but it just hits different when you know they bought it on food stamps. especially when she says "everyone can be vegan! beans and rice are cheap!" and then she spends $300 on EBT and brags about it.

I'm glad my tax dollars are going to Baby Fern, I guess.

No. 1373542

I’m curious as to how she will react when Baby Fern gets older and doesn’t want to live the way she does. What if he decides to get vaccinated or eat meat? She says as long as he is informed on his consent then it’ll be fine but I doubt that. I think she will flip a lid and shame all the choices he makes that don’t align with hers.

No. 1373545

She sure will slam the government about not trusting them but has no issues with getting money from them.

Did they ever get Covid? I’ve never seen this woman wear a mask and she’s constantly parading her and her son around groups of people. She also advocates for people to not wash their hands when holding Fern even as a newborn. She made a Tiktok where she was really distraught about an older woman talking to Fern with a mask on. She was so mad that the woman had a mask on around her baby.

It’s so interesting how making your own choices only applies to the choices she agrees with. I’m glad that woman got her all bothered over a mask. Kek

No. 1373548

I’m curious about this too, but I don’t think Alice will ever see Fern as anything but an extension of herself, and she has already said she wants more children, so Fern will be replaced before she has a chance to notice him straying from her plan. He might get lucky.

No. 1373551

Caleb's weed charge is really nothing but it's sketchy that Alice blocks anyone asking about cannabis + pregnancy/breastfeeding.

I mean, she says she's smarter than doctors, so…

No. 1373556

I have noticed that too! There was an unverified claim in one of her comments that she was high when she got into the accident that unfortunately ended her daughters life. They were saying that is why she put up a fight when the EMT wanted to take her to the hospital. I feel terrible for speculating about such a traumatic event but I’m wondering if the two correlates. The comment was gone within seconds.

No. 1373557

she hates older moms partly because she thinks it’s abuse to give birth past basically teenage years. she used to say she wanted something crazy like ten kids but now that she’s an elderly 22 year old shes not sure it’s ethical to ever be pregnant again.

Also, wtf is up with her claiming to be a “frutarian/frugivore” while obviously eating plenty of non-fruit, and saying adults should naturally be under 100 pounds so they can climb fruit trees easier

No. 1373559

I feel bad for that poor bub. I can’t imagine how he will feel when he’s older looking back on all the personal details his mom shared about him online.

She’s clearly very unwell and I think her trauma is clouding a lot of her judgment. She fed Fern whole grapes while he was cradled in her arms. People were rightfully making a fuss about it and she said she trusts Fern to chew his food and if you don’t trust your baby then you shouldn’t feed them certain things.

Like what….

No. 1373564

She honestly makes no sense to me with her whole fruit diet thing. She also mentioned cooked food is terrible for you but majority of her food is freakin cooked.

I don’t know if she posts some things as satire or to get a rise out of people but the truth is she has a decent following with young impressionable girls who will take her for her word and follow exactly what she says. I don’t know, she’s just incredibly dangerous to me.

No. 1373567

she thinks all women should be willing to die in childbirth, but should they be willing to kill or maim their babies too? even without the baby's consent? gosh.

she and @empathic_mamahood should link up. Robyn strangled her baby daughter in her cursed birth canal for the sake of Mamahood, and now poor Luna is a vegetable, but also a lvl 4 reiki master!

No. 1373568

Wtf. I need to look this woman up. What is it with people wanting to put themselves in the most dangerous situations that could potentially kill them and their baby?

No. 1373571

not to derail but this is what happens when you listen to Alice's advice https://www.instagram.com/empathic_mamahood/

No. 1373580

she did say she wanted one kid per year, or something equally silly. before she knew the reality of having even one kid. her only aspiration is to be a housewife. she said so herself.

I really can't figure out her hate for "older moms" other than that they have more freedom than her, which she is constantly overcompensating for. like, look how free my life is, after I drop off my husband for his soul-crushing job in our shared beater car so he can support all three of us on a single income. all the better to qualify for benefits my dear. and then I go grocery shopping and buy a $12 smoothie and stare at my dogshit-encrusted carpet while my kid crawls around on it. what a life.

she's promoting a lot of irresponsible health stuff, but also like… literally all the life advice she's doling out is absolute garbage.

the first time I saw her, she was posted here, talking about how our best bet as women is to baby-trap a man, because our value is decreasing, while his is increasing.

and I'm sorry to Caleb who seems like a nice enough guy (but also a groomer) but… nah babe.

do better, for the sake of your wretched offspring(sage)

No. 1373585

>and I'm sorry to Caleb
I'm not. This is what you get when you're an 18/21 year old who dates 14/17 year olds. He probably either co-signs what she does or doesn't care.

No. 1373588

The only positive thing I’ll say about her parenting is that Fern does seem like a happy toddler. She does seem to love him and I do like her tik toks of him playing on playgrounds and enjoying life. I cannot stand the way she talks about other moms parenting. All about choice and consent but wants formula to be illegal and tries to tell women you’re basically being raped if you go to an obgyn. She needs therapy. She wants someone to blame for her daughters death so she blames doctors and anyone who is pro-doctor.

No. 1373595

I do think she's a good parent to Fern. I did a lot of the same stuff she does (veganism, EBF, baby-led weaning, baby-wearing, cloth diapering, letting my kid take the reins on toilet training, letting them explore freely, basically all the attachment parenting stuff). but I also think she's a victim of extremes. like she doesn't believe she can have a happy chubby vegan EBF baby who also gets regular checkups and a fucking MMR vaccine.

I can empathize with the trajectory her grief has taken, and I admire her crusade for consent. but now she's just putting other women and babies at risk, and it's scary to think this woman has influence over even younger women.

I think he doesn't care. we only ever see him playing video games. Allison is a good handmaiden though. she buys him a PS5 with his own money, and then keeps the baby quiet so he can focus!

No. 1373629

Luna was born with large portions of her brain missing, it's something that happens at random. What a tacky goddamn instagram though, it looks like free access to the freakshow at the circus. No lines, no costs, no crowds. Holy shit

No. 1373654

Why are tradwives so obsessed with natural birth and they despise modern OB GYN that will, you know, help them not die during birth? Giving birth at home is not something to flex on social media. Marie Cachet is the same, she gives advice on Twitter all the time about giving birth. She was advocating home birth for years and then anons discovered that she actually went to the maternity ward for preeclampsia.

No. 1373657

That’s really sad, but I stopped checking her Instagram after I saw the essential oils lol

No. 1373677

When i first opened her insta i thought that was a mean shoop by some troll. I can't belive that baby is real kek

No. 1373724

Luna has multicystic encephalomalacia, and her doctors ruled out everything but a birth injury. it happened because Robyn refused to go to the hospital, and instead left Luna trapped in her birth canal for hours. this deprived her brain of oxygen and eventually turned it into Swiss cheese. Robyn did that to Luna, and Alice is advocating for other women to do the same.

No. 1373743

Oh shit, my bad. The way she described it made it sound genetic. Where can I read more about her? Obviously her instagram narrative isn't trustworthy.

No. 1373763

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Robyn wants people to believe it’s genetic or just a freak random occurrence, because the awful truth is she caused this herself. her Organic Empathic Magical All-Natural Instagram Free-birth Journey was more important to her than a healthy baby.

hate to say it but the best place to read up on Robyn is her KF thread. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-empathic-nutritionist-empathic-mamahood-robyn-grogitsky-ramirez-luna-elva-ramirez-glenn-ramirez-atlas-glenn-standford-ramirez.84621/

these women need therapy, not more babies. not more unearned, uneducated influence.

No. 1373770

You know shit is about to unveil when you see the comma brows

Poor kid

No. 1373773

thank you for making this thread

No. 1373784

My jaw is on the floor. What an absolutely cruel mother to deny your child the medications she needs to make the life you created for her a little more bearable. She’s sick in the damn head. I kept reading and it just kept getting worse.

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this is minor compared to everything else but she doesn’t know the sex of her dog, Mr./Mrs. Pancake kek


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Allison’s old Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/alicetehspaz/

she hasn’t posted on it since 2015 when she was ~16, but Caleb is following that account. he was ~20 when she was 16.

Caleb: https://www.instagram.com/club_bendover/


No. 1373847

I remember her saying that she had trauma from her accident so she wouldn’t get in a car again, just walk everywhere. But now I see she drives? Is this because she rationalized the accident as not a factor at all in her daughter’s death anymore, so it’s okay to drive now?

No. 1373849

my friend really likes her as a creator, is this a red flag?

No. 1373874

She’s really odd with her pets when I’ve seen them on camera. She never acknowledges them. Her dog will be practically in her face begging for her attention and she pays him no mind. It’s weird.

No. 1373878

She mentioned being starved as a child but she looks fine to me.

No. 1373884

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ALICE wash your damn hands!

No. 1374031

THANK YOU FOR THIS THREAD!!! I am shocked CPS hasn’t been called on this lady yet, she should not be a parent. Also most of her diet advice is very obviously just trying to disguise an eating disorder (she may have mentioned this in the past idk).

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this bitch. where to even start.

also does she know she’ll be 30 in not that many years?

No. 1374056

she loves to hate on "older women" (see: women over 30) as if she herself isn't going to be there in a few years. i've seen her make comments about women "hitting the wall" too and it's genuinely confusing to me. notice how she never makes any comments about men aging, only women

No. 1374066

It’s really gross how she talks about older men wanting teens. She doesn’t do it in an educating way of warning young girls to be weary of men like this.. she does it in a way that comes off gross and she does it to shame older women. Like ‘ha ha men want younger girls and not you!’ She’s so against women if you’re not a young teen mom and it comes off predatory. She reminds me a lot of Onision in her tone of voice, constant attack on one subject and gaslighting.

No. 1374067

i've noticed her obsession with older women and labeling them as jealous and bitter and competing for men's attention. it seems like he has an unhealthy obsession with aging and hitting the "wall". she also mentioned how it's okay and normal for men to be violently attracted to teens cause they want healthy kids and "young moms are better moms". she also said she wished she could give birth at 12 and have kids back to back.

No. 1374068

ironic cause she already looks 30 ish lol from the lack of wearing sunscreen. she try-hards to look like a teen too with that uwu makeup style and she sucks at it.

No. 1374070

I feel like with how much she shits on older moms maybe she’s the one whose jealous of them.

No. 1374071

She does look older then what her age actually is. She filters the hell out of her tiktoks but hasn’t quite mastered that in her YouTube videos. I was shocked to see how different she looked. Hate and lack of sunscreen can age you!

No. 1374072

she literally lets fern eat dirt and soil which can give him serious infections and diseases. most of the soil in nature contains animal feces and if they are contaminated with certain parasites, you can literally go blind. especially that her son is not vaccinated. I'm astonished that cps hasn't taken fern yet. she's literally insane and has trauma from her last pregnancy and that combined with her autism makes it really dangerous for fern
she also mentioned she lets him eat unsanitized cards.

No. 1374074

Do I think Alice loves Fern? Absolutely. Do I think she’s a good mom? Absolutely not. She’s taking her trauma out on this poor kid and only has her best interest in mind. If she was a good mom she’d seek therapy because clearly she has a lot of trauma that’s clouding her judgment on how she raises Fern. She takes Fern to sketched out parks in the middle of the night with just her and Fern. She’s mentioned many times waking him up in the middle of his naps because she’s bored and wants to go out. Don’t even get me started on how she exploits this poor child’s life. She feeds him whole grapes and blueberries and just trusts that he won’t choke. Her hygiene with him is atrocious. She feeds him on the floor next to a trash can in her home (she has pets that constantly walk around her apartment and I’ve seen the state of her apartment. It’s gross) Fern is not vaccinated and she encourages sick people to be around him and hold him. Even said she welcomes Covid. We all know that she encourages him to put everything in his mouth from rocks to dirty shopping cart straps. She’s dressed Fern up in her first daughters dress. I’m sure the list can go on. I see her being very manipulative to fern once he’s old enough to make his own decisions that’s against what she believes. She talks about how he can do whatever he wants but we know how condescending she Is when people don’t follow what she wants. She needs a lot

No. 1374082

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her newest thing is refusing to wear shoes in public, she calls shoes “feet prisons” lol

No. 1374085

you can get pinworms and other parasites from being barefoot, imagine all the doodoo she's stepped on lol.
also she does not look 100 lbs

No. 1374087

her husband literally looks like a chemo rat. poor guy must be exhausted from having to pay for her 500$ extra organic fruit with animal shit on it.

No. 1374089

I really think she does most of this shit for TikTok controversy views.

she has a major case of NLOG syndrome.

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it’s an imageboard nonnie

No. 1374092

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No. 1374101

>a nice enough guy but also a groomer

No. 1374115

he literally LOOKS like a groomer

I thought he must be rich, because he looks like this, but I think he still works in restaurants. his dad is some kind of CFO in the medical field, which is everything Allison is against, but Caleb’s parents seem to be the ones bankrolling their vegan organic life.

No. 1374132

Shes very plain but not hideous, but seeing her bf those kids are genetically doomed, atleast they'll have strong immune systems if she manages to avoid them dying of some nasty dog crap disease

No. 1374151

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sorry to kek at this tragedy but

No. 1374155

She just comes off so filthy.

No. 1374159

This was so weird to me. Poor kid.

No. 1374160

Interesting. I wonder what his family thinks of her? She’s fuckin bizarre.

No. 1374168

anon, no I'm crying!

No. 1374191

She lives in Phoenix btw…somebody on TikTok went spelunking and figured out which Target it was but Alice deleted the comment thread

No. 1374209

But she lives in Arizona. She’s literally just taking her shoes off for the video and to generate engagement. No way she is walking through the target parking lot or the farmers market barefooted in fucking phoenix.

No. 1374297

I think she does a lot of things to get a ride out of people which is kind of scary considering she has young girls taking her word as law.

No. 1374298

She’s so gross. Have you seen the state of her couch? She smashes the food into the couch for Fern to eat. He eats off where their asses have been. It’s nasty.

No. 1374328

Lmao I don’t even think that OB GYN was checking the teens, he was probably just trying to do his job. I don’t believe the nurses’ reaction either, it’s just an outcome of her warped perception of human relations. Even if the story is partially right, old scrotes who do that are always gross and target young pick me’s because they tend to be more naive, inexperienced and willing to do hand maiden stuff. She’s overreacting like a young groomed pick me that she is.

No. 1374343

Does anyone know why she changed her name from ComingupFern?

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No. 1374454

If you look in her YouTube highlights, it shows her animals shitting and pissing all over the carpet of her apartment. It also shows fern eating strawberries and coconuts off that same rug. These people are filthy. She is not a good mom. She used to have two cats, a rabbit and a dog that magically changes sexes. Now she just had the dog and one cat. Wonder what’s happening to the animals… her apartment complex has a 2 animal only rule. Guess the others died due to lack of veterinary care, or were given away.

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she said in this video that she changed it because people were confused when she posted content without fern and it wouldnt make sense to keep comingupfern if she has more kids

No. 1374479

Yes she’s disgusting and the fact that her fans are okay with it is so gross. When she was feeding Fern blueberries on the floor by the damn trash can I nearly lost it. I think she’s lazy in her parenting. She wants to do the cool fun stuff like cool parks and river for content. But when it comes to actually making sure he’s safe she doesn’t give a shit. She’d also always on her phone. She has three different tiktoks and a YouTube channel that she posts on multiple times a day everyday. Fern probably knows her through a screen and that’s it. I feel bad that his life is being so heavily documented and broadcasted. Can you imagine when he’s an adult (since he won’t be going to school) and his friends come across these videos of him eating smashed food off his moms gross couch?

No. 1374489

she makes her pets eat a vegan diet (including the cats). and like you said, it’s doubtful she gets them proper veterinary care. otherwise, she would know the sex of her dog.

No. 1374521


Do you think it’s a different dog? Like, when your kids hamster or goldfish dies you go out and get a replacement, and give it the same name and hope nobody notices? Lol… actually her pets aren’t vegan, she had made tiktoks of her getting their food out of the dumpster behind pet stores… which is ultimately worse- half the time, the bags are open, it’s probably contaminated, recalled, or past the use by date.

No. 1374528

How the eff do you not know the sex of a dog living in your home? She literally shows that dog no mind. He or she will be begging for attention while she’s filming her YouTube or tiktoks and she straight ignores them. When she took her pup to the river I was shocked that she even knew they existed. Poor guy was fighting for his life in that river though.

No. 1374529

Yea that’s honestly disgusting and so neglectful. If you have pets you have the responsibility of making sure they are eating their proper diet and getting their vet checkups.. but with how against any type of health care this woman is I can imagine her animals are being neglected in their vet care.

No. 1374531

Her dog is probably not vaccinated either. And if she doesn’t know the sex it’s probably not fixed. Hope it’s not actually a girl and it’s bleeding all over the carpet and couch fern eats his daily meals on.

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maybe it’s just circumstantial? but she says here on October 20 that Pancake is vegan

No. 1374549

12.5K people liked this. I hope they properly take care of their pets because that’s scary. Animals shouldn’t be vegan if their diet doesn’t call for it. I hope this is one of those times where she’s just being an asshole trying to get a rise out of people.

No. 1374573

thanks for the thread. you can tell this woman cares about the kid, but the amount of shit she says unsubstantiated is crazy. like brushing her teeth with SOAP, letting her kid chew on shopping carts, etc. hope she gets better

No. 1374576


She’s actually said that because she’s gotten the pet food out of the dumpster and didn’t buy it (therefore supporting the meat industry) it’s vegan…. Apparently the time she got eggs out of the trash and cooked them for her husband were vegan too.. Those goal posts keep moving for fernlady….(emoji)

No. 1374686

She really said eggs were vegan because she didn’t buy them? In another video she said eggs were gross and were chicken periods. But I guess nothing really matters as long as she doesn’t pay for it.

No. 1374696


Yeah, consistency isn’t her strong suit. but according to her, a non vegan product is suddenly vegan if you aren’t paying for it, or financially contributing to the cruelty. I guess that means she can go over someone else’s house and eat their meat as long as she didn’t pay for it? what a loophole, LOL

No. 1374774

She constantly moves the goalpost. She was shitting on moms who used colourful/plastic toys and someone spotted some in her house. She went on a rant that she found them on the side of the road so it was okay. WHAT..? She also said if you find meat in the dumpster and eat it it’s technically vegan. This woman’s thought process is so warped. She shames women so hard and then when she gets caught doing exactly that she gaslights and moves the goalposts to justify what she’s doing.. and then continues to shame women for that same thing.

I also hate how she calls people ‘guilty of their choices’ if they challenge her on her views. That’s a nice way to gaslight people. I find her dangerous because her fan base will literally go to war for her.

No. 1374778

Extra comment to elaborate on the ‘guilty of your choices’ she says a lot of really cruel and hateful things like c section isn’t an actual birth and if you don’t breastfeed or have your baby naturally then you’re not going to have a bond with your baby. When moms who have done those things she shits on call her out she throws it in their face that they are ‘bullying and mom shaming her’ and the reason why they are so angry with her is because they know they are guilty for the choices they’ve made.. like formula feeding, c sections, hospital births. She’s really a hateful person. It’s no wonder she doesn’t really have friends and has alienated herself from bee family.

No. 1374787

I wonder what she would say to mothers whose babies didn’t get the vitamin K injection, and died shortly after birth. Probably some shit about how this could’ve easily been prevented if she’d been on the correct vegan organic all-fruit diet or something.

No. 1374791

Man who cares

Shit thread(shitposting)

No. 1374858

not sure if it’s the sun damage, shit diet, teen pregnancy, or heart full of hate, but she’s aging like milk.

at least she got picked tho kek

No. 1374880

Imagine the smell..

No. 1374941

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I wonder if pregnancy tests count under her “if it’s free it’s vegan” rule

No. 1374961

She actually made a Tiktok a few days ago saying pregnancy tests are not vegan so she doesn’t use them. I don’t understand how she can be so wreck less. She was very lucky with Fern.. there is no telling if she will have that luck the second time around.

No. 1374963

I’m sorry if this comes off as mean or rude but I’ve been watching some of her YouTube videos and I’ve noticed when she does her long winded talks whenever she looks up her eyes cross a lot. She does it a lot. I’m wondering why?

No. 1374993

She could of made this as a warning to women about how predatory male obgyns are but 30 year women existing with jobs to help deliver babies are worse I guess according to her. I'll never get tradthots who think they're above aging. Like they live in constant fear of being called some eggless hag by scrotes online for being past a certain age

That poor baby's genes

No. 1375028

Does anyone know what the cause of her first babies death was? Her story has changed a few times to a forced c section is what killed her and now her latest is the vitamin k shot.

No. 1375050

It’s in the OP. Car crash.

No. 1375057

she says she won’t cut up grapes because if you can’t trust your baby to chew, the baby shouldn’t be eating. which is true. but then she does the chew and spit thing, and begs attention for it. so which is it?

also, I know she doesn’t actually “read the science” or comprehend it from one big tell, but I won’t say it here. I’m waiting to see if she figures it out herself.

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> TW Aurelia’s full death story since people are claiming to know me IRL & post fake ones:


>A man & his kid turned left in front of me at the intersection right next to my apartment. I was going 45, probably 40 at the time of the crash since I had taken my foot off the pedal. Nobody was injured. Emergency came even though NOBODY CALLED THEM, because that’s just what they do when there’s an accident. The emergency responder kept telling me I should get checked out since I was pregnant even though I kept telling him I was fine. I was shy & didn’t know my rights & he persisted and eventually coerced me into the ambulance. When we got there, nobody told us we could leave or even asked if we had gone by our own free will. We arrived to a team of 30 or so people in a room who cut my clothes off and started doing all these tests without consent. Everything was fine. We were sent to L&D to wait on the results of an abruption test. A man came in & told us the test was NEGATIVE, but that he was doing a csection anyway. He did not look at my husband or I when he said this. He just told the nurse next to him he was going to do a csection. I asked why twice and was ignored. The nurse strapped me to a gurney without explaining any risks or asking if that was what I wanted. She started wheeling me off & handed me a paper to sign. I thought I legally didn’t have a choice & signed it. The only thing I’ll ever regret in my life is not leaving the hospital, but I was so shy and didn’t know my rights. I woke up to a different man telling me my daughter was dying. I didn’t believe him until I saw what they had done to her. She was so roughed up. I got to hold her for a minute, but it was clear she was already gone. The man who did the csection told us he didn’t know what happened. We didn’t find out until we got the medical records almost two years later that her HR was fine before the csection and right after until she was given the vitamin k injection. The doc never gave us a reason for doing the csection & changed his story several times in the records

>I was only 29 weeks pregnant at this time, and NO risks were explained to me about surgically extracting a baby that early. Even if she hadn’t died, I would be JUST AS ANGRY at that doctor because she would have suffered lifelong issues.
>Trying to blame what killed Aurelia on any specific thing is like shooting someone with 5 different guns at the same time & then blaming the death on a specific gun. It was a combination of everything. Taking her out too early, giving her a BATH before trying to help her (yep, they bathed her before she died), the vitamin k injection, cutting the cord immediately, not getting immediate skin to skin with mom
>Her autopsy says “toxicology testing not done” I have been trying to get her remains testing privately, but there is no test to test if vitamin k injection killed a baby!!!!!
>This has been reported to VAERS, however I don’t think the VAERS system is intended for vitamin k. If anyone knows where to report vitamin k reactions, please reach out

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>Part one of Fern’s unassisted vbac homebirth story:

>At 9pm, I started having contractions and lost my plug. I decided to drive to the grocery store to stock up on produce. When I came back, Caleb and I spent the rest of the night snacking on fruit. I watched a couple of homebirth videos once Caleb went to sleep before the contractions got too intense. After a few hours, they felt nearly unbearable. I didn’t want to watch anything or listen to music at that point. I was too focused. I timed contractions until I decided that was taking too much of my focus and I should just let things happen naturally on their own time. When Caleb woke up that morning, I finally told him Fern was coming soon. The contractions were really intense by that point and I wondered how much longer I could stand them, but I took comfort in knowing women have been giving birth without pain medicine for much longer than they have with. Caleb brought me Chipotle and turned on Adventure Time for me at some point, but I couldn’t eat or watch the show. I was deep in concentration. Around 12am, it was finally time to push. After what felt like a long time of pushing, I started getting nervous. I hopped out of the shower and asked Caleb for the Doppler, but he reassured me everything was okay and reminded me we shouldn’t expose baby to the radiation. I went back into the bathroom, continuing to freak out, and pushed as forcefully as I could, even when I was not having contractions. Fern was born into my arms at 2:34 am. He had the chord wrapped around his neck twice, but was the pinkest newborn I’d ever seen! He cried immediately! I called Caleb into the room and we suctioned his nose & mouth and stared at him in pure love. We finally had a baby.

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>Part 2 of Fern’s birth story:

>Despite Fern being super pink and crying right away, he did need some help removing mucus from his nose/mouth. We suctioned him for around 20 minutes with a nasal aspirator. We snuggled him, Caleb fell asleep (we had both been up for a very long time at this point) and I nursed Fern. He latched immediately! (Something I had been really nervous about!) Then I waited for Fern’s placenta to be born so I could clean it, set it in a bowl, place Fern in his bassinet, and pass out as we planned on leaving the placenta attached until it naturally detached. Two hours into waiting, it still hadn’t come on it’s own, so I cut the chord a few inches away from my end (so Fern could keep as much chord blood + stem cells as possible), tied a knot in the chord itself, and set Fern in his bassinet. We didn’t even need the chord tie I had made. I don’t know anyone besides an OB who would recommend this much of an intervention, but I was SO exhausted by this point and needed to sleep so I reached my hand in and guided the placenta out and went to sleep.

>I am so thankful we learned of homebirth as I doubt Fern and I would be here without it. Fern likely would have been scooped away from us & rushed to an NICU to be suctioned where they would have vaccinated him without our consent and cut his chord immediately before even attempting to resuscitate him like they did with Aurelia, (+ mutilated his genitals too, since he’s male) they likely would have given me an unnecessary episiotomy that would make me scream every time I saw like I do with my c scar, and they would probably have given me an ungodly amount of pitocin to force my placenta out - or stuck their hands up me themselves. Not to mention that my labor lasted longer than the “allowed time” for a vbac, so I would have had to fight + possibly leave the hospital during labor to escape being cut open again.

>Having gone through a natural birth, I can’t imagine suffering obstetric abuse and then being handed a newborn that depended on me for survival - props to all the women who give birth in hospitals 🥴

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No. 1375077

the real question is what the fuck was Caleb doing while she shit out a whole baby on the toilet

No. 1375088

>I doubt Fern and I would be here without it. Fern likely would have been scooped away from us & rushed to an NICU to be suctionedl
if he needed to be suctioned, they’d do it right there between her legs, and not waited for the snoozy husband to wake up and help. everything they did, she would have signed off on.

>and cut his chord immediately before even attempting to resuscitate him like they did with Aurelia, (+ mutilated his genitals too, since he’s male)
don’t trust anyone who claims to read ALL the LiTeRaTuRe but repeatedly calls the umbilical cord a “chord”

also, they only perform circumcisions if you (the mother) consent to it. so just, don’t?

No. 1375090

Awe man I wish you could share because I’m curious. About the grapes - did you see the tiktok of her giving it to him while he was laying down in her arms? Scary stuff. I’d just rather not risk my baby potentially choking.

No. 1375093

Right! That’s so strange to me. She claimed she didn’t want him there because she was embarrassed of being loud when she had contractions. She said at one point she came out of the bathroom and told him she wanted to go to a hospital and he convinced her she could continue the free birth. That part made me feel weird.. unless she left out the part where she told him to try to convince her to stay home unless something was really wrong. She has a way of leaving shit out in her stories to get the whole picture.. but either way this birth was fucken wreckless and I hate that she’s advocating for others to do this. I’ve seen so many women comment about wanting to do free births but are terrified.

No. 1375094

I’ve noticed she tries to get her points across by fear mongering. I’ve also noticed She will sometimes be right on the money with what she says and then she will end it with a backhanded compliment. Someone mentioned above that she reminds them of Onision and I agree. She even talks in the same soft high pitched voice that he does when he’s trying to manipulate his viewers.

No. 1375096

>She said at one point she came out of the bathroom and told him she wanted to go to a hospital and he convinced her she could continue the free birth. That part made me feel weird.. unless she left out the part where she told him to try to convince her to stay home unless something was really wrong.

whattt. sorry to bring her up again, but this is the same for Robyn/@empathic_mamahood. she mentioned in her now-deleted birth story that she started to worry and wanted to go to the hospital, but Glenn talked her out of it. like who brainwashed who?

she reminds me of Onision, too, for a lot of reasons.

No. 1375119

I always wonder where she gets the idea that men only want teenagers and that at 22 she's losing her value to men. Do you think her husband told her that? If he got with her as a teenager when she believed in being a "submissive housewife"? Makes you wonder

No. 1375121


On one of her instagram posts she said she wanted to use the doppler but Caleb convinced her not to "expose the baby to radiation". He definitely had some part in this.

No. 1375173

she made a post saying she'd leave her husband if he looked at teens or sth. she also said she saved some 16 yo girl from an old guy in a store. cognitive dissonance from her i think she just really wants to be a teen again so she projects that on people

No. 1375200

I feel she is mentally unwell and we are slowly watching her spiral.

No. 1375202

anon dogs can be vegan but cats can't

No. 1375207

They can survive being vegan but that's not optimal, dogs are natural omnivores. They do better with meat in their diets

No. 1375209

They can but they can only be successful on it if all their nutritional needs are still met. Do you really think this lazy woman who can’t even brush her teeth will see to it that her dog is getting a sufficient enough diet to sustain himself? Probably not.

No. 1375316

man that entire thread is just so sad…especially that horror birth story
you have to be extremely masochistic and selfhating to do that to yourself (or let your man do that to you)

No. 1375353

I agree. When I read her birth story with Fern a few weeks ago I had the worst feeling reading it. She really gave birth to her baby entirely alone. She put herself and Fern in such a dangerous situation and then she’s planning on doing it with all her babies. She also highly advocates for other mom to do this too especially first time teen moms. She can say all she wants that she’s not telling anyone to do anything but when you say ‘free birth is amazing because no doctors can kill your baby but do a hospital birth if you want!’ to you and impressionable new moms you’re basically setting a lot of fear into them and telling them their baby WILL die in a hospital. She spreads so much misinformation too that her baby first died because of a forced c section.. then she jumped to the vitamin K shot is what killed her baby. The misinformation she spreads as absolute fact is going to put someone in a lot of danger one day. She needs help. Not a tiktok with half a million people praising her.

No. 1375585

she’s really pitiful, but her insufferable attitude, lack of education, unearned confidence, plus hypocritical condescension makes it all so funny

No. 1375659

Anyone know anything about her background before TikTok? Seems like she may have a somewhat dark past she might be afraid of people finding out about.

No. 1375676

I’ll eat my hat if this man is not a varg stan.

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We all know she is lying & just taking them off for pictures & attention. But I live near her and these things called Goatheads are everywhere on the ground. I can't wait until she steps on one, but since she only takes her shoes off for photos, probably won't happen. Bet her baby gets one before her.

No. 1375777

Does this woman ever put her phone down? She posts literal hours of garbage on YouTube and TikTok every day. I feel like Fern probably only knows her through a screen.

No. 1375779

Oh fern defiantly will get one before her. We know she’s bullshitting about shoe prisons and wears shoes for herself. Grosses me out and worries me how she lets her son go barefoot everywhere! Fern is nothing more then her prop to use for controversy.

No. 1375802

If you don't want to feed meat to an animal, don't adopt a dog or cat dumbass. Dogs are opportunistic carnivores, they aren't meant to go without meat. In the wild, canines kill other animals and scavenge for carcasses, they don't give a fuck about your human obsession with ~uwu the poor cows~.

If you want a vegan pet, get a fucking rabbit. Stop choosing to adopt animals whose care you morally object to.

No. 1376059

I think when she has a second kid reality will set in real quick for her.(sage)

No. 1376078

Maybe it's because of her eyesight? According to her most recent YouTube video, she has really bad vision and wears contacts, but that's just my guess.

No. 1376236

She reminds me of that old vegan prostitute from Vancouver who malnourished her son for years.
Back then her parenting was subject to uniform ridicule; it's crazy that this cunt has an audience of thousands taking her seriously. I guess people like her are why there's been an uptick in malnourished babies in the west and Gen alpha is commonly described as 'feral'. These bullshit parenting trends and the morons spreading them need to be deplatformed.

No. 1376384

She’s scary. She was talking about her birth story with Fern and said when her placenta didn’t come out after an hour she stuck her hand up in her and ripped it out. Girl wtfffff her comments were filled with girls calling her badass and brave. No she’s stupid as hell for that.

No. 1377075

Whenever someone asks her how she's going to manage "being on baby's sleep schedule" with more than one child she never answers

No. 1377076

Varg stan with a video game addiction kek

No. 1377109

I just watched one of her YouTube videos and it’s crazy how different she looks from her tiktoks.

No. 1377340

I think it’s because she knows she will go back on her whole ‘baby doesn’t need a schedule and I follow babies schedule.’ There is just no way she will be able to do what she does with Fern sleeping whenever he wants with another baby. I understand you can’t really force a baby to sleep but by the way she’s explained things she hasn’t even tried to get him on a normal schedule. She just lets him do what he wants and that’s that. She’s just incredibly naive and condescending that she refuses to listen to these ‘older moms’ that she hates so much when they try to tell her the no schedule isn’t practical with two kids.

No. 1377341

She edited her Tiktok like crazy! I was shocked to see her in her YouTube videos. She talks so much about men wanting young women because they are youthful and fertile and their faces look super young (and she includes herself in this) when she looks older then what she is.

No. 1377932

She spent all that time complaining that cribs were baby prisons and bragging how she bedshares. Now that kid will only sleep strapped into a car seat while she drives around at midnight in a target parking lot. I wouldn’t call this a parenting win. If that isn’t a perfect example of why not to take her advice I don’t know what is.(learn2sage)

No. 1377956

she also bought a leather Uppababy stroller

idk if I was as crunchy as her but I thought it was weird to put a baby in a stroller instead of wearing or walking…

No. 1377995

Ahh, the stroller tea.
So she bought it because (according to one YouTube video) the older moms she refers to as “posh” with the uppababy strollers and Lululemon leggings all have them. (She sh*ts on older moms but then copies them like a pathetic wannabe) we all commented that it was leather, and for months she spent deleting the comments and blocking. Then she filmed a video of her bragging fern was vegan from conception with him literally CHEWING on the leather bar… kek. a tea acct finally tagged her in a video calling her out, and the very next day she made a video saying she regrets her uppababy purchase, and she did not know it was leather. I know she’s bullshittin’ because it says it all over the website, it SMELLS of leather, and part of the reason it’s so expensive is because it was leather. She then plugs a different vegan stroller instead, saying it’s better.

She then got a partnership with Bombigear, a vegan “eco” stroller but several moms sent them her videos calling C-Sections “surgical extractions” and not birth, as well as other misogynistic takes on women’s fertility and their value to society declining as they age, and the company decided they didn’t wanna play that so they asked her to remove the “paid partnership” flag and all their tags on her advertisement she posted to Instagram and dropped her like a hot potato. The pictures came back up several days later but without the tags, and advertisement part.

Now she never uses the vegan stroller anymore probably because she’s still salty.

No. 1378054

if she’s so obsessed with looking young for her groomer husband, she should drink some water and put on a plant-based sunscreen. even though it’s too late for her.

it’s a good thing she strategically chose this low-value male. they baby-trapped each other <3

No. 1378059

imagine being like, I do ALL THE RESEARCH! I read what others won’t read! does that make you UNCOMFORTABLE? my vegan baby does that make you UNCOMFORTABLE? but I didn’t notice my bougie stroller is made of leather haha oops(sage)

No. 1378067

She’s awful when it comes to his sleep schedule. She advocates hard to basically let your child run themselves rugged until they can’t stand and then you can to put them to bed. It’s hilarious how she judges and shames moms for their parenting method yet when she contradicts herself and goes back on her word she expects grace and tells people they are bullying her when they call her out on her own words.

I also really feel like she puts fern is such dangerous situations. If he wakes up in the middle of the night she takes him out just him and her. They go to parks and pools at like 2am.

No. 1378069

Nice! Love that they dropped her! I remember the stroller drama. This woman is not vegan. She’s plant based. If she was vegan she was stop her consumption of unethical fast fashion. She uses makeup that’s tested on animals or has animal products in it. And the thing is when she’s called out she constantly says that she’s learning and isn’t perfect. Blah blah. If that’s the case then she has no right shaming moms for their diet choices either then.

No. 1378070

Yea it’s funny how she’s talking about the value of older women decreasing when she looks like she’s in her 30’s (which is the primary group she calls ‘old’ )

No. 1378087

did you guys see the post she made on tiktok about a 19 yo mom having her 4th kid. she said the "hate comments" were because older women were jealous of her. she even admitted she cried when she saw the video and had to close tiktok for a while lol. I feel like a lot of her beliefs about older women are just projections of her sick mind.

No. 1378088

Do you guys think she has sex with her husband while fern is around? she said she co sleeps with him and that babies have no concept of time and if you leave them alone for a minute they think they're gonna die. so that makes me think they do it when he is with them in the room which disgusts me. so much for not letting fern have any trauma and being consent informed.(learn2sage)

No. 1378112

She is honestly so weird when it comes to young girls. It’s really gross and predatory. Any chance she gets she tries to shame older moms while being really creepy towards young moms.

No. 1378114

I honestly hope not but I don’t have much hope in her. She is really weird when it comes to Fern and her trauma doesn’t allow her to parent him in a healthy manner. Her husband skeeves me out too. I was watching her Q&A VBAC story on YouTube and she mentioned him discouraging her from going to the hospital when she felt like she couldnt handle the pain while in labour with Fern. That’s freakin sick. And the fact that she praises him for bringing her a burrito while she’s literally in active labour with his child shows me the bar is in hell for these women.

No. 1378118

in my opinion she is kinda pedo herself, it's probably because she got groomed from a young age and thinks all men think like her groomer husband. it's like she's ashamed of her thoughts and tries to project and shame other women cause she thinks they all ultimately think the same( all men want teenagers and that they're jealous of said teens).
she projected her own ideas on her mom too saying she was jealous of her teenage body and tight vagina and feel threatened by her, thinking her husband would have eyes on alice.
she's so mentally ill and delusional. she shouldn't have a platform this big to influence young girls and basically groom them.
she gives off strong lainy vibes

No. 1378160

No they probably do it in the gross couch, then have fern eat his breakfast off it

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speaking of her family. she said in a recent TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@alicellani/video/7035289168356085039 that her entire side of the family isn’t in the picture, but Caleb’s is. does anyone know why? Caleb’s family lives in Bristol TN but Alice’s lives near them. seems like Caleb moved out to AZ for Alice?

either way, why did Allison cut out her whole family?

No. 1378245

Why tf are you posting kids?

No. 1378273

Her entire online personality revolves around her kid read the thread dumbass

No. 1378276

She looks 30 though, not an insult, she looks way older than her age and it kinda defeats her whole fantasy

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I know this is old, but nobody is ever ever jealous of a teen mom. They are pitied if anything. I’m not saying male OBs can’t be pervs but I doubt they are falling head over heels for a teen mom, teen moms are the laughingstock of America and nobody is jealous of you, Alice. Especially if the dad looks like the guy on Scary Movie 2 with the fucked up hand. The nurses were probably staring cause they felt sorry for you and your baby that is poorly cared for.

> tfw some crunchy hippie unwashed pregnant teen mom comes into a clinic

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Alice said she literally cried from jealousy over a pregnant 19 year old with 2 kids by 2 baby daddies, plus 2 step kids. and some kind of age gap. https://www.tiktok.com/@aliceandfern/video/7035400514942848303

she’s the only one who’s jealous of teen moms, and she’s projecting it on everyone else. it’s really fucking weird and gross.

No. 1378397

Her hygiene when it comes to Fern is appalling. She sits her ass on that couch, her animals are on that couch and she will literally smash food into it for fern to eat off of. Is she really that lazy to stick him in his high chair and have him eat there?

No. 1378406

She has made allegations that her family didn’t allow her to be vegan growing up so she was basically starved and malnourished because she refused to eat any of their food and they refused to provide her with vegan food. She also said her mom was jealous of her and her beauty because her mom was ‘old.’ She said her mom was jealous at the fact that older men wanted Alice because she was young. She doesn’t really mention her siblings. Someone was able to dig up some photos of her family on another thread here (I will try to remember which one) but she doesn’t look malnourished or starved in the slightest. Her mom seems super proud of her children and kind. She’s always posting them in loving and endearing ways and she did the same with Alice before Alice cut them off. Her siblings seem really happy too in the photos so who really knows. Alice tends to embellish a lot. I think she has a weird jealousy of anyone who doesn’t live the way she wants. I think she’s incredibly manipulative (she reminds me of Onision in that sense. Where there is zero reasoning with him) and maybe her family just grew tired of it once she turned 18. She claims her teeth are messed up not because she doesn’t brush them correctly (she brushes them with soap) but because her family starved her and it messed her teeth up. She said growing up her teeth would literally shed. (Whatever that means)

No. 1378408

She exploits the hell out of this kid. I feel so bad for him. He already had his whole life plastered online before he could even walk.

No. 1378410

I was really surprised when she mentioned she was in her early twenties. I thought early to mid thirties. Especially when you watch her YouTube videos because she hasn’t quite mastered filtering those videos yet.

No. 1378412

SCREAMING at your description of her husband.

Yea I’m an older mom and no shade or shame to those who had babies young but I am in no way envious or jealous of them. I’m grateful I waited because I have way more patience and maturity in my 30’s then I did my early 20’s.

No. 1378415

This makes total sense now. She is the one whose jealous and to make herself feel better she’s placing the blame on older moms. There is something so terribly wrong with her. When I saw her almost lose it in one of her YouTube videos because a woman in mask approached her and fern it sealed it for me that she’s not well at all. She was so bothered and angry that an older woman would dare come up to her baby with a mask on. I believe she called the woman a demon face or something. It was weird. She’s not well. She needs help and I fear that another baby would send her over the edge.

No. 1378436

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Lmao this is the woman she’s crying in jealousy over. All this traumatized BPD gutter rats are the same. Sad!

No. 1378443

the older pics of her are on her old IG >>1373843

I’m curious how Alice and Caleb met, if she was only 14 and he was 18 at the time, and (to my knowledge) he’s from Tennessee while she’s from Arizona. did they meet online?

I’m trying to understand her weird obsession with age and “older moms.” it feels like Caleb has something to do with it.

No. 1378449

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she changed her Twitter username


No. 1378499

She’s crying because she wants this girls life? Is she fuckken mad?

No. 1378500

I hate how she gives Fern full Blueberries and grapes.

No. 1378761

i think she has an eating disorder too. there was a tiktok of her saying she feels fat at 100 lbs

No. 1379209

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What kind of thinking was she doing while filming this, if this was true then women who were anachans or did hard sports in their teens which pushed their periods to their late teens/twentys should be the most fertile, even though those factors can lead to higher chances of infertility. Bruh

No. 1379329

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the way she has already assigned this poor kid a personality before he has spoken a single word himself

he’s fucked once he grows up and develops his own opinions and preferences.

No. 1379416

she's brainwashed by tradfags and redpill "men" who tell women muh back in caveman days women died at 30 so it's actually a good thing to date and impregnate children. absolute insanity

No. 1379428

she looks like a karen in this one lol

No. 1379506

He’s going to be dealing with a lot because his mother refuses to deal with her own trauma. I think she loves Fern but I think she’s a terrible mom. Once Fern is old enough to say ‘I don’t want to be apart of your social media shit and I want to be vaccinated’ she’s going to lose her ever loving mind. She’s whacked out of her skull. She needs therapy not another baby.

No. 1379560

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in this one she says if her husband was physically unable to work, she would simply… do gaming? as a job? KEK girl

and she says if her husband refused to work, she would leave. but she doesn’t say what she would do. I guess full-time stay-at-home gamer mama?

No. 1379572

live off alimony and child support(sage)

No. 1379574

Is there something fucking wrong with caleb’s mouth, or is that his smile? It looks like he was smacked with a shovel

No. 1379726

Why does she act like 22 is 80? Maybe she did start her period 10 years ago but she’s still gonna get it for what, another 30 or so years? There’s no doubt in my mind she was groomed by Caleb and probably other adult men as a child and feels “washed up” at the age of fucking 22.(learn2sage)

No. 1379868

Something definitely happened to her to make her act this way. She has the most out there views and it’s scary that she’s responsible for taking care of a kid.

No. 1379922

I swear I'm not an Ostrenga but this lolcow seems to be a pedo lesbian to me. She watched the tiktok of that girl talking about traumatic experiences, it wasn't a happy video about her kids, and got too jealous/aroused.

It's not heterosexual of her to be thinking how tight are other girls bodies and pussies(sage)

No. 1380133

She said camming but the auto captions heard gaming. She’s been considering starting an OnlyFans lmao. Very trad!

No. 1380171

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Has anyone been following this tea account? She had a bunch of videos up basically doing commentary on Alice’s videos, they were pretty savage, and she implied several times that Alice was responsible for her own baby’s death and kept promising to do an expose video explaining everything, but never delivered and has since taken down all of her Alice videos. The interesting thing is that in one of her comments on her own videos she mentioned that she was a follower of Alice and hadn’t been blocked yet, and that Alice believes that they are friendly. Any idea who it could be?

No. 1380187

Honestly I felt this too. The way she salivates over talking about young girls being fertile is uncomfortable. Her being emotional and jealous over that young girls horrific life experiences is demented.

No. 1380285

She’s reporting people’s TikToks about her now

No. 1380291

so she can dish it out, but she can't take it. gotcha. the way she spews the most vile, uninformed shit and then cries about bullying and "adversity" when anyone calls her out.

this person said that her husband signs Caleb's paychecks at his new job, and that he told the new place that he got fired from his last one because of something on Alice's TikTok.

no way? I think you're right, I remember her asking about the pros & cons of starting an OnlyFans, and she recently posted a TikTok about how she romanticizes becoming a stripper until she remembers men go to those places.

No. 1380344


Is she? How do you know?
I remember seeing all the videos for this acct as well, the creator explained that their fiancé somehow worked with Caleb… the tea seemed good.(don't use emojis)

No. 1380349

I think it's weird that she's against cribs (baby jails) and shoes (feet jails) but she's alright with strollers and playpens. I guess one gives her attention and tabloid articles and the other allows her to put on a full face for TikTok

No. 1380362

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Caleb can't date women his age because they've seen this movie

No. 1380389

imagine plopping your baby in a playpen so you can scroll through Pinterest and film TikToks telling women how to live

No. 1380398

I swear this child only knows his mom through the camera lense. She documents so much. I remember there was one Tiktok where she’s sitting ontop of the playground facing away from Fern while he’s on the ground. You can see him in the background crawling in the opposite direction of her and she’s not even paying attention. He got pretty far too, enough to create a commotion from even her supporters in her comment section to say something. All Fern is to her is an extension of herself and a way to make money and get free shit. I can’t believe the amount of stuff she gets from her followers.

Also her jealousy and weird infatuation with women makes me worried if she were to ever have a girl. I can see her favouring Fern over her and pitting herself against her daughter. I know she suffered a traumatic loss with her daughter but she never talks about her in a loving way. It’s always my first baby or the baby. It’s never her daughter or her daughters name. I think I’ve only ever heard her refer to her daughter by name once and that’s because someone asked if they named her. Maybe it’s just how she copes and I won’t judge her for that if that’s the case.

No. 1380461

Man, Incels really have to stop using looks as an excuse if guys like this can get a decent looking wife who is willing to pop out his genetically inferior babies.

No. 1380556

sage but i wish i could find this specific tiktok of her where someone asked when shes going to stop sleeping in the same bed as fern and she responded "depends on if he goes to college out of state or not". I wouldn't be surprised if she was the kind of mom who would try to be hot in front of her teenage sons friends, that is if shes confident enough to do that even after "hitting the wall" according to herself

No. 1380840

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This girl posted a TikTok asking why Alice thinks she is too old for more kids at age 22 and it got reported.

No. 1381805


It’s funny how she can go to spew the most vile and toxic shit, act like a badass while shaming moms but the second someone challenges her she backs into a corner and cries bullying. She has a massive victim complex it’s no wonder she has no friends or family in her life. She’s insufferable and I feel terrible for little Fern. It’s going to suck growing up with a mom like that. I can imagine him trying to make decisions for himself and her gaslighting and shaming him until he bends to her will. She’s gross and she needs some help.

No. 1382042

Anyone remember the time someone asked her about childhood cancer and she said children get cancer only because "their parents must have exposed them to a lot of toxins"?

No. 1382762

She’s genuinely a mean girl. Someone had also asked if she had any complications with Fern like morning sickness and such and she said no because she’s vegan. Some other vegan moms chimed in saying some of the issues they experienced while pregnant and she completely ignored them.

No. 1382805

I guess in addition to being immune to the sun’s radiation, vegans also do not have hormones or vagus nerves.

t. a vegan who almost died of hyperemesis gravidarum and had to go to the EVIL HOSPITAL

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No. 1383219



Is she pregnant again? She does not need another baby. She needs therapy.(sage)

No. 1383293

Tacky as fuck to get pregnant because you reach a certain amount of followers. Girl needs to grow the fuck up.

No. 1384619

I feel terrible for any future daughters she has. Can you imagine when they hit puberty and she tells them their value is going to start decreasing based on the wants of men? She’s abhorrent.

No. 1384720

I hope she never has a daughter. can you imagine how jealous Alice would be of her? she’d be jealous of her youth, jealous anytime Caleb paid her any attention.

speaking of Caleb. she’s said in multiple TikToks that he’s the one pushing for her to have another baby. I’m not sure whether I believe that or not. on one hand, he’s a fucking groomer. on the other, she said she broke up with him for two years because she wanted to start a family and he wasn’t ready.

No. 1384885

I believe it because she's said before that pregnancy is really stressful for her because of losing her first. I wonder if the guy she left was actually Caleb or an ex? I honestly think he's more into her being a housewife than she is

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I really hope Fern is getting the proper nutrients. He doesn’t deserve to be unwell because his mother is a nutjob who doesn’t know how to feed a toddler a balanced diet. Vegan diets can be healthy and balanced but just eating fruit aint it. Poor baby is going to have so many problems with his health later on.

No. 1385369

She is so fucking dangerous. You cannot survive on fruit alone and she shows herself eating things other then fruit. She knows her followers will listen to whatever she says so the fact she gives out such dangerous information is infuriating.

I agree about Fern. I honestly think she’s going to mess him up food wise. She already seems to struggle with disordered eating and gives disordered advice to her followers. I could see her passing that on to fern too.

No. 1385510

she made another video about teen pregnancy. at this point she is OBSESSED.
also shaming older moms again

No. 1385531

i dont understand why shes pushing the ”older women hate me cause im a young mom and their husbands want me instead” narrative, 22 is pretty young but its not super rare to see women below the age of 25 with children, who unlike her act like normal people.

No. 1385570

>when we're fertile
The best time to have a baby is in your 20s and early 30s, she's insane. In fact iirc, the ideal age to have a baby is 29-30.
>buy a baby from a teenager

No. 1385646

it's funny cause she said in one of her tiktoks that she's "too old" to have more kids at 22

No. 1385648

she also repeatedly deletes hate comments. on her recent video about c sections not being birth I saw a lot of people disagreeing and I liked their comments but when I checked it again they were all gone

No. 1385707

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just gonna leave this here

No. 1385805

Alice obviously has an ED. It’s very apparent that she’s posing and bodychecking in a lot of her Tiktok and Instagram content.

No. 1385844

she looks average?

No. 1386009

Omfg is she shooping herself skinnier??? Our skinni kween Alice lmao

No. 1386193

it’s just her autism~*~

she’s obsessed with telling everyone she’s ~only~ 100 lbs, and bragging about her bra size

No. 1386206

Do y’all think she really has autism or is it just something she’s using to scapegoat all the shit she says?

No. 1386280

for someone who doesn't believe in science she sure does cling to her diagnosis or maybe she's not even diagnosed


i've noticed that. she says she's 5'4.5 and 100 lbs but she doesn't even look skinny

No. 1386290

I bet she blames her ABUSIVE parents for getting her vaccinated as a child, so it’s their fault she caught autism kek

No. 1386361

Literally yes. In one of her Tiktok she implied that she caught the tism from her parents forcing her to get vaxxed. She said that Fern is neurotypical and can’t be autistic like her because he has never been vaxxed.

No. 1386374

so much for being the OnLy pErSoN who ReAdS tHe sCiEnCe

No. 1386409

She also said things like not bedsharing and being left to "cry it out" exacerbated her autism. I wonder if she'd even believe it if her son was autistic

No. 1386462

Yea she’s def not autistic. She just trying to find more ways to shit on her parents and people who vax.

No. 1386465

She tries to be so smol bean but she’s just your average girl.

No. 1386570

I am not sure if this is normal or not, but it looks like her son's legs are bowed A LOT. It's showing more and more everyday, you can see it when he walks. Hope she has that under control :-/(:-/)

No. 1386572

this is a screenshot from a tiktok so it could also just be the way the video was paused. although i dont doubt she has an ed and probably does shoop her insta pics

No. 1386601

Most baby’s legs are somewhat bowed until about 24 months, but not that she would pay attention to something like that or see Physio if necessary

No. 1386622

do you think she has ANYTHING under control

No. 1386626

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>she’s in Mesa

No. 1386658

this gave me anxiety watching fern go far away and she did nothing but recording, imagine if someone snatched him.

her house looks so untidy and they just generally look so unwashed jesus christ.

also i did a quick google search and bow legs come from lack of vitamin D / calcium but he seems to get a lot of sun and drink a lot of milk so idk.

tbh alice going on adventures with fern is kinda cute even tho it is dangerous imo

No. 1386670

She does this all the time with Fern! She her entire focus is completely on the camera while fern is in the background doing something dangerous or walking/crawling further away from her and she literally cannot peel her eyes off the camera. It’s jarring.

No. 1386671

Her and Caleb look filthy. Fern is always dirty too. Unkept onesies, greasy hair, dirty face. I get babies get dirty but he always looks filthy. I don’t think her or Caleb have very good hygiene health.

No. 1386673

I know bowed legs are quite normal on babies but Ferns is reallly bowed out. I guess only time will tell if it’s something to be concerned about or not.

No. 1386907


Well she only washes her body and hair with coconut oil and castile soap so she’s coated in soap scum build up

No. 1387205

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Some comments in the video. Why are 12 yo girls following this woman. I'm not letting my kids on social media.

No. 1387227

>Hi Alice I know you use soap as toothpaste but I've been using pure coconut oil for a while and it seems to work wonderfully! just a recommendation
>use soap as toothpaste
Wtf why does she not use normal toothpaste?

No. 1387230

Because ~*it’s not vegan*~

No. 1387275


For a while she didn’t use anything but water. I feel like she probably smells so bad. She doesn’t use soap and shampoo to shower, she washes her clothes with vinegar and brushes her teeth with soap.

No. 1387277

I do not trust this mentally unstable woman with such a young viewership.

No. 1387503

she literally promotes teen pregnancy to her teenage audience. fucking gross.

No. 1387612

i saw this comment on her tiktok that she was talking about fern having pins/rocks in his poop in some facebook group.(imageboard)

No. 1387640


Post screenshot plz

No. 1387672

I mean we now know that cry it out is super harmful to emotional development

No. 1387819

yes but if she is autistic, that’s probably not why. “crying it out” is horrible but most of us around her age were raised that way. and almost everyone older was. at least in the US. and I know plenty of kids with autism who were never allowed to cry it out.

Alice keeps calling her parents abusive for extremely normal shit. it’s not GOOD and it shouldn’t be normalized, but for her age and the age of her parents, it’s normal.

but that wouldn’t fit into poor Allison’s martyr complex.

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