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Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine. And sometimes, people ask for help. Stop getting pissy about that.
Reminder that any discussion or drama involving SJW artists like Succulentbud, DestinytoMoon and Loved111333 must be taken to the SJW e-Artist Thread on /snow/ to prevent the thread from being derailed which the link can be found here: >>>/snow/1220062
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Recent Art Milk:
>Some users are caught trying to sell artwork made by the late Qinni as NFTs >>786502
>Artist Mutatedeye makes an angry tutorial whining about people turning to them for advice and the comments section of said tutorial isn't any better >>794300
>Someone tries to call out inesmbravo for copying their art, and it results in the OP privating their account after being roasted in qrts >>800998
>Yueko's account is suspended after someone filed DMCA reports on her >>801693
>Twitterfags and SJWs bully Veechu off of Twitter for jokingly using the expression "freed from the shackles", which they see as "Anti-Black" >>805820
>Twitter users complain about the skin color of Jimmy Olsen (the character from My Adventures with Superman) being too purple >>812465
>Ammatice is dogpiled for liking belly dancing outfits on men >>814890
>Angelmaws is getting more shit again for having an Arabic pedophile OC, then calling someone racist against her for having an issue with it >>818483
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:https://anony.link/https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://anony.link/https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://anony.link/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.
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What do you guys think of samdoesarts? I think he's super talented and I used to be a huge fan like a year ago but now it looks to me like his art has gotten lazier and the sameface and same body keeps getting worse. My explore feed is full of his copycats though, we might have a new loish now
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Not that milky but it looks like acatcie is trying to branch out into merch… the character looks so bland and unrecognisable, I can't imagine this'd sell well at all.
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I saw she made a different design for that character and it looks a bit better? I think the problem isn't the merch, I feel like her art is just really soulless and boring in general. I'm definitely not buying anything from her.
Idk, for me it’s a mix between the colours, eye placement(you know, copying and pasting), and how the mouths are drawn.
To me her art looks like smug neon plumbs or just neon chickens
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Not surprised that these two are zionist, I hope they lose their buisness fuck them
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IT's weird because I know that her coloring is very odd but yet I actually do like it. It's just the style itself that looks so jarring and offputting. And yeah, I think you're right about the way she draws mouths. Like she's clearly going for a cartoony style. She says she's inspired by things like Disney and Steven Universe but yet her art just looks so off.
I just wish she'd focus more on refining her style more. O think the problem is that she tries to make her art look cute but because she lacks fundamental skill, it comes out looking much more wonky and less "cute" like she's hoping it will be.
Her friend EmpressKaiju does a similar kinda style going for something cute but striking (image attached) and I know that her style may be off putting to others here in the thread but I honestly think she has a really nice style and she's come a long way developing her style and she's younger than TD. EmpressKaiju is what Michie's style should've evolved into. Like not exactly like hers but I mean, more refined and fine-tuned.
She must learn some fundies, she is the biggest example of refusing to learn fundamentals then too lazy to improve (just like me in the past and i regretted it). Ah i remembered one of my mutual reshared her art by ig story but at the same time they told me to improve on shading. Lol i disliked that mutual for supporting ugly ass acatcie.>>821459
That looks good actually. Full offense that her design still looks soulless, bland, and boring yet straight to the dispose bin. Not recommended unless you are her ass kisser fan.
Can you give an example of artists who are doing this?
It could also be to conceal discrepancies in their stats, if they have bought followers.
That’s your problem. You have to give people a reason to follow you.
Would you just follow a random person who draws fantasy OCs you have no attachment to unless their style REALLY appeals to you?
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Bitch Hartman's Oaxis streaming service is out. I literally forgot until I saw it on twitter.
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Oh if TD wants to go the cartoony & cutesy route, she totally should because it can work. The only reason I made the comparison to her friend EmpressKaiju was because I remembered that Michie is writing a novel series and I was just picturing what the cover of the book would look like with her current art style and I mean… Would you be tempted to buy a book with cover art of her work? I wouldn't be enticed but thinking about it, she probably will either hire someone to design a cover or do a cover that doesn't have the characters on it.
> the faces reminds me of that inbred Charles II of Spain guy. Same weird narrow and long head, cross-eyed, bloated people.
KEK Oh my gosh, you're right It kinda does look like that only more cartoony lol.
Anyway yeah, cutesy & cartoony can work but she just needs to fine-tune it more because where it's at currently, it doesn't look all that good at all in my opinion. And I agree, her DND stickers as basic as they look do look somewhat appealing and could attract the DND players to buy them.
I made the jump from a bamboo tablet to a cintiq and now I'm using a basic huion tablet with the cintiq collecting dust on the side.
I personally have no problems line quality or work quality wise using either one but my main issue with the cintiq is that it literally broke my back with me hunched over the tilted screen. With huion I can lean back on my chair and have the tablet on my lap and draw comfortably.
If you're gonna get a screen tablet I honestly can't recommend Wacom cuz of their godawful customer support, awful awful color calibrated screens, and honestly they're still overpriced considering the solid competition they have around. Also look into those um… arm things that hold up a screen. I was told it helps with comfort and back issues but I wasn't about to drop more money on a device that I absolutely loathed.
Oh I also have an iPad and it's.. ok. Maybe it's the learning curve for me idk but I've had it for a year now and my lines are still not as confident as they are on paper/pc. Everyone I know absolutely loves it and it is a solid device it's just me I guess.
off the top of my head:
you can find specialised “shops” on various platforms that repost people’s commissions/adoptable/etc. they usually have actual quality control and the artists have work ethic.
option 2 is go on toyhouse and look for characters with lots of nice commissioned artwork (you might find someone with decent taste eventually). check the sources for the pictures you like. the artists might take commissions.
option 3 try exploring foreign art communities if you want a break from your average twitterfags.
I have a wacom intuos M, a wacom cintiq 16 and an iPad air lol so tried almost everything. It took me a while to be fully comfortable with the screenless tablet but now that's the one I use the most because I draw for long hours and need to me mindful of my posture and wrist.
I'd say the cintiq is really nice too, the size is pretty good although I will probably get a 20 or even 24 size when I upgrade. Don't like drawing on the iPad much, screen is too small and I don't like procreate at all.
Screen tablets are by far superior if you can afford it. Though like >>822195
said be mindful of your posture when using a screen tablet. I developed mild cubital tunnel syndrome from hunching my back and leaning my arm on my cintiq for hours, fortunately it went away after resting and doing stretches but you don't want to risk permanent nerve damage.
Nayrt but I keep going back and fourth between XP Pen and Cintiq.
I really trust Wacom as a brand personally because I am having great experience with their non screen tablets, but the posture part scares me. I wanted to invest in the smallest Cintiq, but will getting "a stand" for it make things better?
I am worried about Huion because I've seen a lot of people having troubles with this tablet, saying it doesn't live too long and stuff.
Barely heard about XP Pen, though my friends professor recommends it.
At this point I just wouldn't mind playing it safe and getting a big version of nonscreen Wacom, but I've always wanted a screen
Omg I think I had cubital tunnel syndrome too but I didn't know it had a name or why it was happening lol.>>822530
Depends on what kind of stand maybe?
Idk where you're from but if you can buy and then return it if you dislike it then maybe try that?
And yea I'll admit to having a personal grudge against wacom at this point. Mostly because I've owned multiple of their products, the bamboo, cintiq 13, and then the 22. The last two I had multiple issues with BUT I'm an international user so 1) warranty means nothing 2) customer support is awful and often doesn't respond 3) and this was my biggest issue is that I had to get a proper monitor to check colors because of how off they were on the citiq because of the etched screen or whatever it's called or the film they put on top. At least with the film I was able to eventually remove it but the etched one was the bane of my existence. They actually recommended a 150-300$ color calibrator thing that my studio fortunately had and did absolutely nothing lol. 4) back issues that I mentioned before and this took a while to show it's effect so this was the last straw for me personally.
Yes I use huion now but it was an impulse purchase, it was cheap and reviews were good enough for me to blindly throw money at and test it. It's worked great so far but idk about the longevity or how good the screen versions are.
Not sure about xp pen either.
For the most part you're right but that's just for the stuff I post online but if it's proper work like something I know will be printed or will be used in animation (I used to do BGs) then I need to know what it colors look like.
I didn't have to buy one of the super expensive monitors I settled for a decent ips monitor that's held up pretty great so far and it matches my iphone/ipad better than the cintiq.>>822844
Process doesn't matter as long as you get results you like. I've known a few artists that bought into the hype of cintiqs just to sell them a few months later because they never got used to them.
>>822896>Process doesn't matter as long as you get results you like. I've known a few artists that bought into the hype of cintiqs just to sell them a few months later because they never got used to them.
Oh I understand, it's not the tools you have (necessarily), it's all how you use them and for myself, sketching with pencil and paper and then inking them in Sai with my Wacom Intuous 4 tablet really does get the job done for me. I think the only awkward time I had about my method was when I was in art school and my teacher mentioned that it would be beneficial to learn how to sketch digitally if I wanted to get into the industry. Keep in mind this was 2009 and I know attitudes have changed about this for the better but aside from that, I'm content.
I just feel that it would be good to eventually force myself to get used to the screen tablet because it could save me money on paper and pencils as well as paper space since I have a habit of keeping all my drawings haha.
he guy can draw, but took shortcut and regressed after he has found a comfortzone. The one trick pony type of artist that could do better.
But further than that he's a better business man than an artist, he knows what his consumer want.
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Disabled wheelchair artist puccanoodles dancing up a storm lmaohttps://twitter.com/puccanoodles/status/1401076875699494918
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>Mediocre Japanese artist
>random girls doodle with wonky anatomy
That shit pisses me off
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I’m pretty sure she has her wheelchair because she was in a bad car accident that did major damage to her legs? She apparently can walk and move around but I don’t think she can use her legs for extended periods of time or something.
I saw this and my jaw dropped. I was suspicious when it came to the tiktok video but that? She's either extremely careless or she's fucking lying/exaggerating.
I am someone with the same chronic pain condition she claims to have. Dancing and jumping around like that can trigger
a flare up which is immense wide spread pain and extreme fatigue. You are bed bound and need help getting up and going to the bathroom when you're in that state. And that isn't even touching on the carnival of bullshit that is brain fog.
She works at Disney which is notorious for strict deadlines and tons of overtime and work. So she's either gotten really lucky through nepotism and 'muh disability' when it comes to staying in the animation industry or she's lying her ass off. I'm going to assume the latter.
Anyone who has been through a flare up and isn't on hiatus would NEVER do this shit.
Flare ups are SO dangerous for your career. It doesn't matter how much a studio is forced by TAG to accommodate you, they can't take your deadlines away. It's precisely why myself and a few others I know just can't work full-time, at all. Let alone be fucking story artists, at Disney no less?? Holy shit, hell no. How did she get and keep her first job?
Does anyone here actually know anyone who worked with her? Literally just one anecdote from an ex co-worker or something would let us know whether or not she's actually a munchie.
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Anyone have any milk on this? Apparently a metal pin designer on instagram named 9tails_pins has been sending out cardboard that's been pissed on to customers he thought were bots.
Same. I might sound like an asshole that i hate those kinds of people as money is their only way to life, e-begging from tiny situations to severe for example dying relatives especially without any proof/photos. If it comes from a friend or a mutual i would gladly to help them but a total stranger that replying with their tweet of their dying younger brother then asking random people to donate to them. I never believed them in the first place, it was all revealed that they used photos from google to capture people's attention and someone has made a callout thread. They were suspended twice after that.
Serves them right though.
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Anons, what do you think of the recent "Stonehouse Anatomy book" drama? I think the book has some dodgy content in it but the cancellation of the cortical homunculus in picrel made me chuckle.
Link to thread and archived copy because it is too long:https://twitter.com/tejuabiolaart/status/1400892306056749062https://archive.is/Jax3D
It's full of cringy coomer shit and weird racist caricatures.
Good for a laugh, but not much else.
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I cant help but to think this is some 4chan/internet influenced pathology on race realism being treated as a fact
The tweet is deleted now lol, furthers the whole crazy munchie story
No wonder her boyfriend left her after she scammed 30k for a trained service dog she didn’t need
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I can't take this person seriously because she's honest to god making remarks about educating the reader regarding female and male anatomical differences as bigoted. Sorry biology exists I guess?
Oh for fucks sake? Really? How the fuck did she even get popular? I guess it's because she's in the industry and 'aww disabled woobie uwu' when actual disabled people who are in real pain get shafted by the internet and industry as a whole.
I don't know literally any artist or content creator who could get 140k followers and be a complete retard when it comes to handling their social media. Apart from maybe Glip but they groom children sooo.
Like if you're going to lie don't literally upload proof that you are lying for 140k people to see. I've seen literal children fake being sick better than her.
Are we ever going to make a thread about this bitch? Some people think she's not milky enough but I disagree if she posts stupid shit like this all of the time.
Kek I agree with you anon.
People are so quick to jump on drawings of Asians with monolids just because they think it's a racist caricature to have anything other than Eurocentric features.
Where's the "4chan influenced race realism" in pointing out that Asians and Caucasians have different shaped eyelids? Sure there are caucasians with monolids and Asians with double lids and whatever but it's based in the generalization of race-typical features. I don't get it. Should he just ignore the facts and claim that all people look like the standard eurocentric white person? The cartoon eye shapes above the portraits are just based on anime tropes and using eyes as a method of expression, not raceshit.
I swear twitterfags complaining when artists don't draw a black character "black enough" and tell them to study ethnic features for more realism but freak the fuck out whenever someone does so. And that's like one page of a thick ass book that's mostly about proportions and how muscles, tendons and joints work in the human body to help a beginner artist create more natural poses and movement in a comprehensive language.
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NTA, but I'd feel really weird trying to defend this, kek.
Lmao right, sometimes ppl try to hard to be contrary to toxic
art twitter. They're right this time and it's embarrassing that so many artists promoted this book as the anatomy standard when it's full of inaccurate racist and sexist stuff like this
I'll just say this. I was flipping through my Masters of Anatomy book, and damn near every example provided was just the artist own personal take on the muscular male and curvy hourglass figure lady. For $50+ dollars(I backed the original campaign) I remember being disappointed because I was honestly expecting more variety in the body types in the book. It does get old seeing the same 2 body types over and over again in numerous anatomy/drawing books(with maybe a page or corner set aside for showcasing something that deviates from the norm).
I get that the default is easier to explain to beginner/intermediate artist, but this book doesn't seem to be for the beginner/intermediate artist. And for more advance artist, probably a lot of this stuff is just going to just be things they already know, or are use to drawing/seeing. I don't know it's complicated.
I mean, if you look at the author’s work, you’re kinda getting what you asked for>>823856
I can’t stand this person’s commentary, “WhY aRe tHeRe nO nOnbiNaRiEs???” “Omg, SeXiSm!!” “Gross”
Like, assholes like this make me scared for the future of the medical field because they like to plug their ears and deny that there are actual biological differences between male and females- and SUPRISINGLY, that’s not as bad as these guys are making it out to be
But I just don’t get why this book, There are millions of other anatomy books out there with the EXACT same content, so why rip into this one?
I'm a full-time designer. Graphic design doesn't pay very well when you're just starting out, but when you have +5 years of good experience and a solid portfolio you can thinking about moving to art director positions and those do pay quite well. It's overall a fun job and I really enjoy it.
If you're concerned about money and interested in design in general, UI design is a great way to go. The market is booming and starting salary is quite good.
honestly the 'where are the different body types??' argument is kind of stupid to me because the focus of the book is about individual parts of the body and how they function. it's not a book on figure drawing it's to learn about bone structure, muscle groups and even some general points on human biology. like, you don't complain in health class that the diagrams aren't diverse enough lmao. even the classics like bridgeman, hogarth, loomis and hampton RARELY ever stray from one body type in their popular anatomy books and that body type is usually fit for a model almost.
just seems like most of the people who make a big deal about this coincidentally also complain about 'muh beauty standards' and roll their eyes every time a man draws 'sEkSEE WaMan'
they aren't wrong though.
when you are learning from how one person does something, it shouldn't be an expectation they go over the multitude of different body types that exist. No matter the body type, the underlying structure and how it's drawn will be the same, it's just a matter of how it is adjusted between fat and muscle.
there has to be some legwork done yourself if you want to learn different body types.
I don't know if it's just me (and I know this was a hot debate for a WHILE) but the pursing of her lips and the way she speaks through her nose suggests that she's faking her voice, I agree.
There was so much drama over if her voice was real and honestly? She should've just kept herself hidden behind a character avatar because now it's pretty much confirmed that she fakes her voice.
Ugh. I despise when people put on a "lol uwu kawaii loli" voice, it's grating and it drives me nuts.
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Hot take, aces are not oppressed and are often just loveshy straight people looking to include themselves into LGBT spaces. Demisexuality is snowflakey as hell.
The fact that people ever thought babyshit cooing was a ""natural"" voice tone is remarkable and says a lot about how mentally unwell weebs actually are.
Also she has that awful "I think it's okay to still wear 2010's scene hair a decade later" look. Yeugh.
I personally don't really see demisexual/demiromantic as part of LGBT+ because it's more of a "how your mind interacts with the idea of love/sex" thing rather than an actual sexuality. wanting to have a deep bond before dating or fucking someone whouldn't be that much of a deal, Jesus. People going mad and desperate to label themselves nowadays is just pathetic.
Hopeless Peaches trying for some pity/brownie points to recover some face from the massive drama she just got out of?
looks like i struck a nerve lmfao>>824788
exactly my point. then again, i'm really not surprised that most of the new 'artist' crowd seems to just want a bunch of copy material instead of putting in the effort to actually learn how to construct forms in 3d space and how the human body is built.
maybe i'm just not as jaded as the more seasoned farmers on here, but jfc you guys really let your inner mean girl out on here holy hell.
i get talking shit about art cows or other milky e-thots, but afaik wolfychu is like one of the most inoffensive uwutubers on yt regardless of if her voice is fake or not.
Omg thank you for saying this.
I never understood the hype around whether or not her voice is fake- maybe it’s because I’ve met ppl before, like older women, with this condition- but whenever I hear drama about her, it’s only about her voice. It gets kinda stale, but at least she’s not like other fuckers who invade spaces because they lie/exaggerate about a disability
If she didn't make such a big stink around proving her voice was real I honestly wouldn't care. The more you try to prove something, the more you look like you're lying.
I just don't like that type of voice in general though. You're right it's not too milky, it's just annoying.
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>Capcom Stung With $12 Million Lawsuit Over “Stolen” Photos In Its Games>Juracek (artist) published a volume of over a thousand photographs of "outstanding, vibrantly colorful visual images of surface textures–wood, stone, marble, brick, plaster, stucco, aggregates, metal, tile, and glass">Naturally, these photographs are available to whoever wants to use them for their projects, but they require a license>For example, the lawsuit relays that a metal texture was titled "ME009" on the book's CD-ROM and it just so happens to be titled "ME009" in Capcom's breached folders.>The artist is requesting the court to award her up to $12 million in damages as a result of copyright infringement, plus $2,500 to $25,000
Personally I think its really cringe this artist is suing them for 12-13 million dollars "in damages" when no one noticed for over 15 years these textures were even being used until their database was breached, and only confirmed it because of the filename. It is likely they'll be able to prove the pictures are stolen, but will they really be compensated that much?
The artist would have to pay that much if it was the other way around, and they're a big company that can handle it just fine.
Bleed em dry sis.
The suing is completely valid
, but I find 12 million to be a bit too much.
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samefag and sage
I do agree that the artist has every right to sue and should be compensated, I just think the amount is overblown.
After looking at the texture comparisons (You can see them all if you google "Juracek textures") I can't believe no one noticed, because some of them are more like photos than texture scans , and these ones got turned into almost 3d objects.
However, I think the same argument could be said against Juracek, these are photos of Italian statues. Could we say Juracek has no right to claim this or make money of off it when she wasn't the artist to sculpt the statue? How can you claim a photo of an object like this when anyone could have taken this photo of the statue? Where does it end, where does it begin. The way the know it is Juracek's is because of the specific textures which have much more of a fingerprint than the photos of the statues.
I do wonder how much money Resident Evil 4 made in profits (I'm sure a ton), and I would start there to find fair compensation, maybe 12 million is an underestimation considering it was probably their best selling game.
Stuff like these statues is public domain.
For work like video games, to create for example fake 3d asset they've needed a photo taken from the spot where the sculpture will be perfectly in the center of camera view, straight lines kept straight, no foreshortenings from even the slightest angle. To prepare photographs like this it requires some effort and deliberate planning; to have them in high quality you need good quality equipment, be it just camera, but more often also a tripod, lights etc.
You're right that anyone could've still gone there and do all that, since the sculptures are just in that spot for everyone to see and photograph. Why didn't Capcom have anyone do that then? For that they owe Juracek.>>824978
sorry, it sounded kinda like a common male name in my language and my brain rolled with he on autopilot lol
I don't know, that's fair, I'm just being Capcom's bitch. After thinking about how much work it takes to do these high quality photos and how they could have easily just paid for the licensing to begin with, I guess they really did fuck up.
I wonder how many employees looked this over and signed off on it in full knowledge they didn't have the licensing rights and how they just brushed it aside. Its disappointing knowing this because those textures played a huge role in the castle design, and the castle design was beautiful.
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For anyone else curious.
>>824912>but afaik wolfychu is like one of the most inoffensive uwutubers on yt regardless of if her voice is fake or not
The voice debates have been a longstanding drama for her and her whiteknighting simps, and that fact that she still wants to die on this hill is laughable.
I disagree, this milk has just been refreshed. Probably because it still keeps her relevant at all outside of trendhopping and reusing animation memes.
I think the label demisexuality is dumb, in my experience a lot of people need to have a bond before having or enjoying sex. That's just a normal way to feel about sex, just as it's normal for others to like casual sex.
But she's also a young woman and there's a lot of pressure to be promiscuous and SeXpOsITiVe or you'll be called a prude so I understand why you would want a label to make your boundaries seem more valid
You shouldn’t need a label or enter the queer community to say that you don’t want to fuck or that your libido is low
I agree with your hot take anon. I don't want to say that there is no such thing as Asexual, I'm sure there are a very rare few people who aren't sexually attracted to anyone but most of the time I see self-proclaimed Asexuals, it's usually high school weeaboo/nerdy/Art girls who are still grasping to their childhood innocence and usually what happens is when they get into their early 20s, their hormones kick into overdrive and they start wanting to have intercourse. Again, just my own observations but that's usually how it goes.
And "Demixsexuality" is bullshit. This whole "I can only have sex with someone if I have feelings for them" bullshit. It's bullshit because nothing says that Heterosexual, Homosexual, and Bisexual people can't develop actual feelings for each other. It's just stupid pretentious Tumblr diarrhea.
As for Peaches, it's clear she's one of these straight people you were mentioning. Want to feel UWU special by playing along with this fake ass term when she's just an ordinary straight woman. Like girl stop.
Exactly anon. It's normal to not want to have sex in high school. I think that some kids get caught up in the stereotype which I'm sure also plays into the "demisexual" thing as well.
I didn't know that married women were claiming to be "Asexual", wth? lol Are these young women in their 20s or are we talking older women?
This is a good take. Demisexuality, specifically, feels like a response to hook-up culture in the queer community that was been going on for nearly 60 years. DXemisexuality feels kind of like 'bambi lesbians' from way back when. It is a subculture within a subculture.
As far as Peaches goes, I'm more convinced she read a 'List of sexualities!!' on Tumblr and saw that one and is like 'woop queer now, time to milk June for clicks and internet clout!'
>>825570>married women with kids claiming to be asexual
That’s all kinds of fucked up.
Also, thank god I wasn’t the only one who grew up with a lack of libido in highschool. I had friends call me asexual for it, and I guess I kinda accepted it until getting out of highschool and I kinda just grew out of it
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I've been wanting to say this awhile, but I HATE feminist art. Absolutely loathe it. I dont think its empowering. I think its insulting and degrading. I hate scrolling through Instagram, and seeing coochie sculptures, and nipple brooches, jewelry dishes of big hairy ladies with bright red vulvas popping out between their legs. Bloody pad earrings, sculptures of abdomens with blood stained underwear and the word juicy on the ass. It's so embarrassing to see. Like I get were ladies, we have coochies and all. We get shitty periods, but do i fucking want a plaster cast of my ugly ass vulva? NO. I dont understand how anyone doesn't see that as anything other than degrading. I'm more than just my pussy and breasts. That art is not #empowering its #embarrasing&disgusting
To be honest I think the only people who like this shit are the delusional feminists who think that girl power = boob, pussy, pubes and period. I wouldn't even call those ppl feminists because to me (who's female) this type of art feels more objectifying than freeing. It's one thing to be proud of your body but it's another to literally put up paintings of vulvas up the walls because "I AM EMPOWERED".
It just feels crude. Like >>825830
said it reminds me of stupid teen boys drawing cocks everywhere. C'mon, there are much better and cooler ways to express empowered femininity.
I'm happy there's other people who feel this way and I'm not just in a vacuum of my own thoughts. I guess I've just been brainwashed by Instagram to think this is what all chicks think. And yeah, I have the same feeling about all this genitalia artwork. It's no different than when dudes would draw dicks in high/middle school.
I especially hate the bloody period artwork.
I had a whole rant I was gonna do about that but honestly it's not worth it. I'm glad to see I'm not alone on this front.
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Just say vagina ffs. This is completely OT I hate that this word will probably be imported to my country via American television, it sounds gross, and personally reminds of of the equally American word cooties. I also don't understand the use of cookie for genitals, fucking weird and overly childlike.
Anyway, vagina art is lame but it at least serves some kind of purpose. As long as this stuff is being rehashed and showing up on explore pages, girls will see that vulvas aren't all porno perfect, they will know periods can be messy for all of us, they know hair is normal. This kind of art is boring and cringe because we've seen it all before but there is always a fresh generation of girls that need to discover it for the first time.
Stuff like pic related is funnier though
you don't need to be "brainwashed by patriarchism" to feel uncomfortable that an art movement is reducing your body, your identity, to nothing but nipples and vaginas. yeah many things related to the feminine body got screwed up on a conceptual level by patriarchy but to imply that "if you find this gross then you're brainwashed" is not a good mindset to have either. it's not so black and white.
you can be feminist, proud of your body and embracing its aspects considered gross by society and reject patriarchy while finding this type of art degrading. like some anons in here said before there are many other ways to embrace your body without having to reduce it to disembodied genitalia.
People mostly do it for the sake of being nice or to potentially build a friendship/network.
Plus most internet artists nowadays can't handle critique or anything less than praise, so.
A lot of that sucks but really doesn't have to do with conveying this perfect image.
Blood is shown as blue because it would make the rating higher… I can't think of any commercial that shows blood as red. Even urine is represented with water or a blue liquid. Most people in commercials are already shaved because they're actors and you can't do repeated takes on shaving because the hair doesn't grow back immediately.
This kind of art really doesn't do anything for the fake marketing image. Who actually likes having blood-stained panties or blood between their legs? Not only does it feel gross but it is unsanitary as hell. You don't empower people by encouraging them to just piss their pants or have pee running down their leg because going to the bathroom is some coomer brainwashing.
OT but not everything has to be because coomers and scrotes. Commercials are meant to push a product. The "perfect female image" generally comes from other women who degrade others for having a different body type whether it be because they're too fat or too thin, too short or too tall, have big tits or small tits, etc. Even if you remove men from the equation, you still have conservative women who think showing your ankles means your a slut, mothers that body shame their daughters, god awful diet culture, among other things. It'll be the same shit different chapter. You can't use ""brainwashing"" for everything because it otherwise implies women have no choice other than the ones that you have, in an ironic twist of fate, chosen/approved for them.
Link to her messages: https://lolcow.farm/creepshow.html
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Nayrt and hard disagree, anons speak up all the time that they thought they had an ugly vagina because they had been brainwashed by male-oriented content. It's not just about tampon adverts it's also about heavily photoshopped underwear modelling photos and the constant prevalence of porn itself, this stuff all plays a part in forming an idea of what breasts or vaginas are meant to look like.
I will gladly put up with all the fimo clay vagina brooches, crosstich and candles that esty throws at me if at least one girl sees something that lets her know her vagina is normal.
Agreed on the lighting. Also, the shirt keeps going haywire every time the model moves. I had no idea you could do animation boil in CGI, astounding.
Also, the lyrics are VERY uh…Disney channel-esque? I guess? There's not many metaphors and it sounds like a paint-by-numbers kind of song where it's incredibly literal and there's barely any thought put into painting a story. He's a Minecraft influencer so he has to appease children, the lowest common denominator, but I wish there was a little more substance cuz he's not exactly terrible at singing - his voice is a pretty nice pitch though it does have some Blink-182 lack of tonal differentiation - though I'm betting there's a lot of editing and possible autotune in there).
OP here and I was JUST thinking about all of this too.
There'd be those who hate you just to be cool and different–as much as I don't give a shit about any rando's opinions, when it becomes a mob of people the fear of them just coming after you and the people you know gets worse. And yea! Holy shit. I've seen so many "cancellation" movements happening to artists who may have said the 'N' slur or had done some small shit once. But that was cause enough to start up a movement to not only ruin their career but their fucking life.
Also, yea, fuck I hate disgusting scrotes that suck up to you because you're a girl. Gross. I've had run-ins with those who just want to get with you so you'll draw them free shit.
Ayrt, probably just some woke fucks being perpetual victims
I used to be semi-known in my country (not internationally) but intentionally killed off my internet presence due to this. I went viral accidentally and gained a big following so I wasn't even actively looking to have a followerbase, it just happened. I experienced an insane stalker, couple of really dedicated vendettas and of course these kids who had intense admiration. Parasocial relationships were the worst part of the deal, like you said their admiration is so intense and scary they outright do not perceive you as a normal human being with flaws and emotions. Which sounds fairly harmless at first but when they muster up the courage to send you a message or hit you up at a convention or something and you're not the best buddy they built yourself up to be in their heads (because they're a stranger to you) they do a complete 180 immediately. In their humiliation they turn from an intense fan to an intense hater.
A lot of anons on Lolcow exhibit these same traits when discussing cows to be honest. They obviously hold a personal grudge against someone or, like >>826661
mentioned, are just tired of hearing some popular artist's name and want to lash out at them for that. The latter seems to be the case for a lot of obsessive people complaining about Meyoco's work and popularity for example. And we always hear those vague "She was rude to me at her Artist Alley table" stories that leave people to fill in the gaps as they please. Sakimichan is a prime example of how to handle internet fame as in never interact with people, only tweet art stuff, never take part in political discourse, pander to coomers who will whiteknight you when needed. Yet even she gets people obsessively stalking her Twitter likes and rake through her tweets from 10 years ago to dig up dirt on her because they're desperate to get her cancelled solely due to petty jealousy. When your social media popularity has peaked it's just a countdown to cancelation at that point. Someone will find that one DeviantArt journal entry from 2010 in which you used a slur and which you completely forgot about.
Their personal grudge is either jealous of popular artist's success or dislike their personality. Take cyarin for example, despite being popular by having over 1 million folls on IG, the Netherlands community itself dislikes her but she had fame on her mid so she can walk away.
Like anon said in >>826942
, i understand that being popular is every artist's desire especially for their career but expect the worse to come. At this point I'm too afraid to attract weirdos/haters
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Samefagging to say after perusing the KF thread on Dream (because I'm a drama whore and need my fix) it turns out this bastard only gave an incredibly amateurish 3D modeling team who've only done Minecraft styled animations before this–a whopping MONTH to produce it. And I guess he thought that was okay???
So with all this in mind, I don't necessarily blame the production team for this shoddy work. Dream is just another normie asshole who doesn't know how art works and doesn't care as long as he gets more money.
do you need your pills nonny
Their art is complex and/or relatable to the preschool demographic that they attract. That’s why they get attention in the first place>>827510> because I'm a drama whore and need my fix
Anon, ain’t we all?
Also, thanks for the find, that’s pretty nasty that dream would have a team to produce an animation under a month. I know the vid is 3 mins, but the work that goes into a single movement. And as you mentioned he hired a crew who is use to making Minecraft vids, shame on him
I mean if I were to do it>make content that appeals to kids (minecraft, fortnite, whatever)>rake in as much cash as I can>gtfo in 6 months or less to avoid any manufactured drama
But making that kind of shit feels so degrading to me. if you were to try get appeal to that sort of fanbase, you'll be heavily censoring yourself or be forced to act like a cartoon character than an actual human being. And there's just something uncanny about it; adults working with kids isn't a bad thing, neither is working on entertainment toddler show for them- but something about youtubers being the next Seasame's street rubs me the wrong way. I wonder if anyone else feels the same.
Anon, it's okay to have a cutesy mascot-avatar without being a '''vtuber'''. People's been doing that long before it became a thing in west. Just don't call yourself a vtuber and you are fine. If someone manages to ask, u can always say no, you just like your avatar and whatever. Not everyone with avatars or mascots automatically become vtubers.
And good for you, this shit is the same as old utauloid community, only ten times worse.
No. I have an 68k twitter and a patreon with 820+ current subscribers (don't try to find me on graphtreon, my subs are private). I trace other artists every now and then, especially one artist in particular, and was once caught and called out by a very angry and relentless person who tried to out me by showing the comparison pics they made under all of my comments. I have severe anxiety and overreacted to it, like fast heart beat, shaking, heavy breathing, nearly crying and all. But when i got the bravery to look at the replies, i found my followers were actually going off on this girl. most of them were blindly denying i did it (i didn't trace 1:1 i did change some things). i did have a few that believed it and were expressing disappointment, but the other followers would reply to them pointing out the differences and they seemed to cast doubt. the girl tried to fight her position very aggressively, but they outnumbered her in the replies and were being completely obtuse to anything she said to convince them, so she stopped responding after some back and forth. i just quietly deleted it after a few days and never mentioned it. so no, art simps that think you can do no wrong or place you on a pedestal that you don't feel you deserve don't bother me. i wouldn't have cared if they sent her hate either.
Damn, you're awful. I suspect you already know but don't care. I'm not saying this because you're making money from tracing, but for that last line you sent.>Inb4 "no rules only tools" "I didn't trace 1:1!!!" "You're just jealous" copes
Why would someone with "severe anxiety" out themselves like this on lolcow though? Some way to relieve repressed guilt? Maybe you should stop tracing, anon.
i'm a girl, if you're insinuating otherwise? >>827725
i don't think that'll happen. i'm more careful now and this experience showed me normies will give me the benefit of the doubt even in my most obvious blunder (that incident). also i'm not as stupid as Shexyo who just dug himself a bigger hole when he got caught. i really believe i would be smart with how i deny it and that's all you need to sway most people.
no i'm not a furry. and the rest of what you said is still more fear mongering BS that is just deadass not real. i've been in this a long time and know a lot of cooms. you can't make shit up like "you'll replaced by fresh competitors" that just doesn't happen lmao. people (crabs) have been saying that about sashimi since 2014 and it's never happened, even as her art deteriorates (aka she gets lazier), she still gets richer as time passes. there will always be a higher demand for coom than there are coom artists, so everyone can have their share as long as they 1. appeal to people 2. have a high follower count and 3. post consistently. i know you holier-than-thou artists hate to believe that, which is why you're pushing this cope, but it's not true and life is unfair.>>827739>tracers are no better than pedos
my feelings are so hurt by your morally confused ass
that's a whole lot of dramatic finger-jabbing accusations. i'm not doing any of that. i just replied to a comment like others did, and answered questions, calm your milk sacks. >>827770
not a deflection. it's the truth. soulful art will get you my income (which is patreon+gumroad+commissions) only once you have 15 years experience and work for a big shot company. soulful art will get you sakimi's income in exactly Never years.
Post something you’ve done. Something old so we can’t recognize your style. Or something you haven’t posted anywhere even.
A ton of retarted artists love to lurk on lolcow constantly and since it's anonymous they'll use the chance to play the narcissistic arrogant role and boast about their follows and numbers and how much money they make even though if you met them IRL they'd cry and have an anXIeTY aTtAcK at the first critique.
Just look at what happened to Creepshow art. Same shit. These artists' ego is much bigger than their sense of self preservation it seems.
Vtubers is just a general term used to describe video makers who use cartoon avatars to 'represent' themselves while doing games or whatever. It's not exclusive to uguu kawaii anime waifus, from what I know those are categorized into groups like hololive.
Also there's artists out there that represent themselves with mascots etc. like Deep Bilzzard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUdosBxVdbE
There's probably more out there too.
But you don't have to call yourself a v-tuber if you don't want to. Just don't sperg out when some kid asks if you are a v-tuber, politely correct them.
Jfc you're disgusting. People can do what they want with their money, sure, but it's your fucking responsibility to tell them you're profiting off of other artists' works.
I'm sorry but people like you are absolutely atrocious and your advice and shit holds no water. I can't believe you allowed your fans to attack someone when you did something wrong!
You should've come clean to them and the fact that you have no remorse is actually quite sickening. I don't give a shit if you changed some things, a trace is a trace and you're presenting it as your own damn work. Karma will find you soon. Go the fuck away.
Someone photobashing a building in the background off a stock photo isn't really comparable to tracing someone else's character illustration, keep coping.>>827851
kek exactly, tracer-chan here acting all big brained master hustler and bragging about patreon bucks gained by tracing while admitting to having a mental breakdown over a justified callout. Sad and pathetic, and incredibly shortsighted as well. They might've survived the previous accusations but even as we speak someone might be gathering a fullblown google doc outing their bullshit. Who knows, maybe someone monitoring this thread realizes who it is.
Honestly anon, I've been wondering the same thing ever since DeviantART became on the brink of death from a social perspective compared to how it was in the early 2000s. Really I think that Twitter as horrible as it can be is our best avenue to try to find art friends.
I feel the same way about Instagram, it can be hard to bond with people there because of the way it's set up. It feels very follower oriented. Twitter seems to be more open-ended but like you said, it can be a hellhole but I'm more than confident that there are people like you there who just want to socialize and make friends while sharing art and it's not all about commissions.
I've tried a few Art/Fandom discords as well and they can help too but I don't really hang on Discord all that much compared to Twitter or even DeviantART.
Tumblr can be a good place, surprisingly. Most of the shitty people left for Twitter so nowadays Tumblr isn't so bad.
Twitter can work too but you have to be careful to not step into whiny woke 'pls donate11!!' territory.
you decided to out what you did, got mad when anons didn't tell you 'get that coin sis' like you were probably hoping for and most likely your art is fucked up because coomer consumers have no standards. and you don't even know how to fucking draw. instead of of just leaving you decided to argue with anons and push your moral grand standing because your ego got hurt and yet you think you're smart enough to keep getting away with it fucking kek man please sleep with the anxiety and growing dread of one day eventually being called out. it probably won't end your career because fans will defend to the last breath but its gonna be embarrassing like it already is now
to the anons who can actually draw without crying about it being too hard and stealing another artist's work to trace, what makes you actually like an artist enough to commission them or subscribe to their patreon. style? attitude?
Style, attitude, and content they draw. I haven't commissioned an artist or subscribed to any patreons QUITE yet because I'm a poor ass bitch–but the ones I have in a list to commission in the future I usually look for those things.
If I know the artist will draw my bastard characters with a canonical character or something, I usually jump on the chance.
If the style is something I've admired for a long while and look up to or it's a style so unique and opposite of my own (something I can't just do myself) then I keep them in mind.
A friendly disposition and honest communication is a definite plus! I'm socially awkward so having someone keep me updated on things, showing me progress and asking if I want anything changed throughout, is really helpful!
I usually steer clear of artists whose artwork is something I could draw better at my current skill level. It takes the rare few for me personally to want to commission someone because of the whole "Well if I want it, I could just draw it. Why pay someone for something I can do myself???" thing.
I commission artists that have a sense of characterization. Personally, if I see an artist portraying out of character in fanarts, it's an instant turn off.
Also I'd recommend to be clear with how long it is going to take. Don't promise a 2 week deadline and take 3 weeks. I rather know the queue is 1 month and for the commission to be ready in that time frame.
Dunno if it'll help but those are my main pet peeves.
I'd say go for it, get yourself some cash. Let the coomers bleed out money for their disgusting shit. It comes at the price of your sanity though, and the possible coomer obsession once they find out you're a girl drawing lewd shit.
Personally, I wouldn't do it. As easy as it is to draw massive thighs, boobs, etc. I'd be afraid of incels coming into my DMs or email or whatever contact in order to send me creepy shit. It's just not worth it.
Coomers want crass porn, not tasteful nudity or softcore. They want that giga boob and giga ass with realistic rendering with a cute animu face with pouty lips. I don't have the sanity to draw such deformed bodies for the sake of fapping money.
I personally don't find it worth it because I'd rather work my ass off and have a half decent fanbase than to be surrounded by nothing but perverts. Plus if I were to do that type of art I'd create a completely separate pseydonym/persona to reduce the risk of it sticking to my image in the future. Too much stress. But if you really need or want the money then go for it I guess.
>>827966>You should've come clean to them
Why would I do that? How would that benefit me? That’s not how real life works, sweaty. that's nothing but counterproductive to ME.
>you'll be cancelled>your time is coming>karma will get you>god will deal with you
yeah, yeah ok lol.(unsaged autistic infighting)
>>828155>And the possible coomer obsession once they find out you're a girl drawing lewd shit.>I'd be afraid of incels coming into my DMs or email or whatever contact in order to send me creepy shit.
Yeah, this is shit I'm afraid of. I would probably lie about my gender because of that.>>828176>Coomers want crass porn, not tasteful nudity or softcore.
You're right, but still, they will fap to everything that's even slightly lewd.
I wouldn't mind drawing nudity but drawing full tentacle loli shit porn would break me.
Yeah, the more I think about it, it really isn't worth it. Perhaps I would have done it if I had been in a really bad financial situation.
you sound like a teenager who thinks that they're invincible and the master of getting away with everything. yet you came here to expose everything you've done for what exactly? attention? from anons on lolcow? doesn't that sound a bit pathetic?
but sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.
I don't know if you meant to say sweety or if you're trying to insult me, either way thank you for the light chuckle.
You would do that if you were a decent human being, and it would benefit your psyche–but if you see it as counterproductive go off I guess.
Listen, I don't know why you decided to reply to my post and what you thought you'd get out of it. You just sound like a child who told a lie that your parents believed and so you think you can do it forever and never receive any backlash for it.
If you want to argue benefits, what does replying to the post with your own little blogpost do to benefit you? What did you hope to gain? What did you ACTUALLY gain from it? Because as I see it, you're getting whatever it is you deserve.
But whatever. You provided a little laugh but your blatant narcissism and overall childishness is boring now.
Good luck with whatever the hell it is you're doing, cuz it's not art.
it's only worth it if you actually want to do it. If you hate doing it, or think it would break you or taint your image then don't do it ffs.
there is no type of art that'll save you from obsessive weirdos or possibly getting doxxed. I do sfw and NSFW and trust me there are obsessive weird fucks on both sides especially if you do fanart.
so just draw whatever art you want to fucking draw. or don't. There is plenty of NSFW shit you can draw other than tentacle loli porn which is so fucking niche idk where the hell you anons get this idea that it's what every NSFW artist is drawing. Even if you dont get obsessive weirdos if you draw art that you hate doing for dollar signs you're going to want to fucking kill yourself either way.
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Sofia Samara? The patrons seem to have dropped since this thread was made, but the twitter followers were almost the same. Notice how she says "I have an 68k"… like a typo on "had."
googled and found two links but they were deleted. >>828305
alternatively this tinfoil
It's so funny how people are mad at this person, but mostly not for drawing porn (which is indeed bad), but rather for "making money off other people's work". If thats your first instinct, its telling that youre more jealpus of the money than you care about the porn. $5k a month isnt even much, yall are going crazy over her $60k a year? damn go be a teacher or nurse or smth then, they make more than that after a couple years. They paying rns $100 an hour right now. in america anyway.>>828293
Youre really going to start some callout shit based on this reddit tier sleuthing? People complain about twitterfaggots going bananas on no evidence but look what we have right here. If youre wrong youre starting a fucking nightmare for some random artist so maybe do a little more before posting "Uuhhh THIS MIGHT BE HER GUYS the numbers are kinda close???". Brain rot behavior. I dont give a shit about you or her this shit is just cringe. Tracing art, thats the scandal of the fucking day?? God damn. And i have never had a twitter so dont accuse me of being involved here. Just want you all to shut up(calm down)
If you insist on bitching so much, leave. You don't have to post here or read anything.
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Her art looks traced as fuck and if it's the anon who keeps on going about photobashing (i.e. tracing over shit) being totes legit then it would fit. The rendering is fine but all the facial features and limbs are super off which is immediately explained by tracing over real life photos. Kek at her saying shit like this out loud though, did she think people wouldn't leak it?
The callout post mentions that she draws NSFW on her Patreon, the numbers are also private like original Tracer-chan said. I think we have a match, nonnas.
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Not sure if that anon is Sofia or not, but her art makes me so uncomfortable. It's so creepy.
jesus christ he has the skin of a bacon strip
those lips remind me of those cheep cheep fishes from mario
she doesn't need a twitter account to be stupid on lolcow, anon.
plus, "harassed"? lol she's the one who decided to be a bitch and trace art thinking nobody would notice. she deserved it.
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I guess she just keeps to her discord, patreon and ig, I don't think she's trying to hide the fact that she traces or eyedrops her references pixel by pixel since some of that process is in her youtube, the discord twt thread is really a good read though apparently her own mods can't stand her >>828471
ok this is hilarious
You missed the entire fucking point.>>828399
Someone should tell her that anime faces don't work well with real life proportions.
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So did anyone saw that megat0nraid/kristia suarez has been profitting off of tracing persona art again.
Why do they never learn
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She is getting ridiculous now jfc. Does she just like pain? Does she like going through this routine of callout and cancellation? What a fucking masochist.
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Have any of you watched this yet? It just got recommended to me so I have yet to watch it but it sounds really bad.
I honestly don't understand all the anons who talk about how hot Emily is, she's ugly and I can see why it's low hanging fruit to say she looks trans. Like, Shannon is ugly ASF too, but Emily is a different kind of ugly that I'd equally be ashamed to be.
Apparently this woman was abused by Shannon's husband (this woman's ex) and both Shannon and her husband stalked and harassed her extensively.
I love how all the newbies are like:
“everyone was tricked, even those on lolcow were swayed by her!!”
Like, fuck no. Every single person called her out each time she posted here, the only reason why she was never talked about here is because everyone got annoyed by her self promotion/her getting off on every single mention of herself.
Hell, most of her earlier content was ripped from here, word for word
I'm seeing $21 a month. $240 in a single year is a lot for a program. Especially when I can't make money off my art yet and I plan to use it for many years. Plus its the principle I will die on. >>829344>>829331
But yeah, I never heard of Affinity. Thanks a bunch!
I use Krita for drawing. It's free, updates fairly regularly, and has some animation and vector tools (though I haven't messed around with the vector tools too much)
I'm super burned out on adobe tbh. I was getting good student prices for the monthly plan until they went up to like 50 bucks a month. Yeah it gave you all the programs but I was only really using like 3 for my classes. The only program I've used that doesn't have a good cheap alternative is after effects. I won't be using adobe again unless I get a job that pays for it.
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What do you guys think about adoptables ? I like some of them but would never buy one. I really like this artist (Yukibuns/Yukihomu), her auctions bids gets so crazy (over $1000). I remember seeing the purple one was sold for over $2000. Someone has bid $1800 on her latest auction. Wish I was more creative with characters designs.
There's nothing wrong with selling adoptables. If anything I admire people who manage to get successful in doing those because it takes a lot to actually put togeher a design that someone will be willing to pay 1K~2K dollars for.
What I tend to find bullshit though is the whole closed species thing, like the protogens/primagens. I get liking a design enough to want to buy it, but not being able to design a character with specific characteristics yourself because said traits are """""" rare """"" in the species and therefore you'd have to buy a """"rare"""" design just for that? Bullshit.
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Not sure if I ever heard either of these two ever mentioned on here. Thoughts on YT art critics?
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adoptables are fine I guess, what I would never understand is how people pay so much for shit looking closed species. Picrel sold for 545usd
>Someone who's not interested in all that will just make a regular satyr character and that's it.
I'm not sure if this still happens since this was a thing back when DeviantART was still big, but I remember people would get seriously flamed if they made a design that looked like it belonged to a closed species even if they stated said character was just a random design.
I think the problem is that those closed species people were (or still are, again idk how the community is nowadays) too overprotective of some design traits and stuff.
kind of useless. Datfpina used to be a shitty artist who traced, which is probably why he's so obsessed with tracers himself. His voice is very annoying. I don't understand the backlash against him and bernie for making videos about johnbob though? Everyone makes videos alarming the public about predators in the community like cosmodore and get a pass, but you can't talk about johnbob because his ex-friends and victims
want the situation to go away.
Solar sands as moved on to bigger topics so good for him, but his approach remains very surface-level, and his research is bare-minimum.
I've participated in it and in my humble opinion I find it fun. If you enjoy art trading or drawing other people's characters, it's really enjoyable. Plus, you can technically pick which designs you want to draw or if you'd like to draw the character of someone who's drawn something for you.
Also, it's enjoyable to draw someone's character who may be a little younger or less experienced than most of the other user's on the site purely for their reaction!
All in all, it depends on what you enjoy doing and if you like to have a competition aspect tied to things in order to keep you motivated. Though be warned, sometimes the site can get incredibly laggy or just not work.
From my experience I’ve never found a software more user friendly than Sai. If you bought a license than you can upgrade to the 2021 version of Sai2 where with a bit of tweaking you can put .abr brushes into sai. It’s tedious but it’s really worth it. Also Sai is able to not only open photoshop files but also save in that format as well.
I found that Procreate kind of comes close to sai’s simple UI and usability but it’s missing the stabiliser and seamless buttery blending that sai gives me. Same thing with clip studio, although clip is a really good alternative, especially if you’re into comics.
Sorry I’m not much help anon.
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Shit this is sad. The before one is pretty cute. Then she got fillers and microblading. I guess that’s realistic tho
Anons what series are popular right now? Jujutsu kaisen? Is BNHA still a juggernaut? Do people still go for sailor moon? I’ve been out of the loop this year and I want to get a sense of where the high economic activity is occuring
Genshin Impact seems to be still on the high, Uma Musume too.
No idea about anime though, I haven't watched any this year yet.
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I like this artist (although I'm tired of seing GI) and they have a big following. I wonder why they never finish their drawing. The face is always a little bland cause they never shade. I like their composition through. It might be kinda nitpicky but they always draw tiny feet. It look sometime weird with the body.
some of the shoes in the bg look traced or at the very least heavily referenced ngl.
have you tried checking if they have another account? maybe they post finished drawings in another social media.
I want more molcar art
Take a closer look, the sneakers on the wall were drawn once and then copy/pasted. Then each copy was painted differently.>>830225
JJK is in right now, it's getting a movie this year and Megumi, Gojo and Sukuna are good characters to draw for fan artist.
BNHA is still going strong but it is heavily populated by the woke crowd so proceed with caution.
Hype around Chainsaw Man is beginning to build and MAPPA has a PV planned for the 27th so you may be able to jump ahead of the curve and establish yourself in that fandom.
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Well no other account is linked in their bio so I'm assuming it's their only account and with the speed they're posting, I don't think they have time do do other drawings. They are posting almost everyday 4 drawings like these. The art is nice but I just wonder what a more polished version would be but these kind of drawing get a lot of likes (around 30k-60k).
I'm one of those small accounts who started dabbing into genshin art some time ago (because I started playing as well). I can't deny the attention it brings and would never dream of this engagement coming from OCs and niche fanart. That said, likes and shares are fast but people quickly forget it after a day then they'll move on to the next shiny art they'll see. I decided to sell small stickers for snack money and they're the only reason I'm even getting sales. Six months later, found my art was already bootlegged on aliexpress with 50-300 sales from different sellers. Now I just feel so empty inside.>>830342
ngl I'll usually notice first thing the way shoes and feet are drawn/angled and I'll often remember good artists that way. Though meticulously drawn toes are pretty sus and the artist is likely a footfag.
I started drawing genshin impact fanart after seeing pretty much all of my art friends and a handful of followers jump into it. No lie, it did get me a handful of followers.
But just like >>830361
said genshin impact fanart is treated like fast food almost. That and new characters pop out all the time in the game and because of that people's preferences for certain characters keeps changing super fast. It's hellish if you want to keep up because then you have to be always in the news to know which characters are the current loved ones in the fanbase (and will give you numbers and potentially money) and which ones have fallen from glory. I do get your vibe though, it does get tedious as fuck to see nothing but genshin on my tl all day even when I follow people with other interests.
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i thought cyarin was a professional but this looks…not great.
it's already expected of twitter, but genshin impact and jujutsu kaisen, though popular, have toxic
fanbases filled with bored teens who will call you racist and fake screenshots just to get you cancelled. if you're going to draw for those, then be careful because even innocently using the word "shackles," will get you called racist.
work lately, imo, seems sort of rushed and slightly tacky.
But also it may be some style choice for things to look sort of incomplete? Idk. Some anons here made good points
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Jennygin2 on twitter
I actually like this one.
Anons saying it is messy, 1) Where? and 2) maybe that was on purpose if you see it that way? The special was messy on purpose, so art being messy to embody it makes sense. It is fanart, so I guess recognizability is low if you haven't seen Inside yet, but I knew it was Bo. Maybe adding those circular sunglasses would push it even further into recognizability?…
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They look like barbie doll feet.
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I- I don't know what to say anymore…
clip studio is absolutely the best for comics and pretty good for anything else as well, but afaik it has no real liquify tool yet so if that‘s super important to your workflow maybe procreate is more to your liking. But you can make your own auto actions in csp which is a great feature and saves a shitload of work if you know how to use it.>>829730
seconding this advice, Sai is very good. Krita ain’t bad either although it doesn’t run as smooth as the others in my experience.
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(posting it here since ic is an awful place) I want to start a family and have children, so i know that being an artist isn't a good choice for my family's future. Instead of pursuing an art career, i decided to study STEM (especially the computer science part) since I'm quite good at maths and informatics on a general matter.
However I still feel bitter about letting aside my artistic dream for well, a less selfish dream. Of course I'll still draw for fun and as a hobby but telling myself I'll never be able to pay my bills for a household feels bad. And I'm not even mentioning all my art friends that see me as a traitor for not pursuing my childhood dream.
How to cope when you know you're NGMI on an industrial level?
(also not posting in vent thread since even if i put my grain of salt I wanted to start this topic for hobbyists and hear them out
I live alone, with how much I save on a monthly basis I believe I would have no problem supporting a child (I'm saving about 50% of my monthly pay); in general I imagine if you planned for single motherhood and dreamt of being a freelancer, that could be too much stress to have; with a regular industry job though it really is doable; athough programming jobs which I guess you could pursue with what you're already good at will have much higher starting pay than art related jobs. It all comes down to you weighting out whether you prefer to choose slightly more stable and better paid job you may not love and later regret never pursuing the career you dream of vs accepting a little more steep career ladder but actually doing what you've always wanted.
Ultimately, you can always go for computer science related job and continue learning art on the side, and only try to change careers in the future once you feel more confident about your family's future.
if it is important to you you'll always have a bitter feeling about not pursuing it because you'll always be wondering about what if. Some pros don't get their first industry job until they're in their 50s. My suggestion if you want a compromise between following your dreams and persuing art is to have programming as your day job and then do art on YouTube, Twitter, etc. and basically build up your following and portfolio and when you feel you've landed a solid art job that can support you, leave programming. >>832323
How did you manage to get your job? I just graduated not too long ago and wanted to focus on character art, character illustration, etc. and basically pre-production stuff. I've been looking on art station and I feel with my current art skills I wouldn't be able to land a job at a place like Riot or Blizzard so indie evs doing mobile and gatcha games could be up my ally since I play a lot of mobile games anyways. I'm just having a hard time finding job openings.
What is something that you do in a production/post production job? Is it primarily animation?
I’m in a weirdly similar situation, except I’m not planning on having kids. Getting into the art industry was my dream as a teenager but idk if I could survive in an unstable career path. I’m currently trying to learn programming to see if it’s a viable career option for me because it seems more lucrative and stable, and I don’t hate the idea of coding. It also seems beneficial to keep art as a hobby because it puts less pressure on me to be an amazing artist who can constantly pump out soulless content. I’ll be able to draw whatever I want at my own pace in my free time. Plus I’ve wanted to learn how to make games for a while, so I could definitely use my art skills for that instead of hiring someone or using premade assets.
I am a little worried about regretting this in the future, but I’d rather do a job I’m not super passionate about and enjoy myself in my free time instead of go broke for my passions and possibly start hating art. And I guess I could always change my mind later.
>>832381>I just graduated not too long ago and wanted to focus on character art, character illustration, etc.
I'd broaden the search to include animation / preproduction studios here, not just gamedev. Don't feel discouraged if you don't see an opening on a studio careers page; send them your portfolio, ask if they plan to look for someone with your skillset anytime soon and what advice they'd have for you if you were to be hired by them. You will not always have an answer, but you may and even if it's not going to be a job offer, it will be valuable. Another thing, don't be afraid to apply multiple times to the same place, of course not immediately one after another but as long as every time you send a new application they can see some upgrade in your portfolio, it will be considered a plus, because they'll see both that you continue improving and that you're dedicated. If possible, participate in industry related events, like game jams - you will meet a lot of industry insiders that can advice you and maybe in the future remember you which will give your application a boost. I don't know where you are from exactly, but in my country theres a dedicated specific site only for gamedev job openings, and several big facebook groups, so maybe try looking for these, as you may find openings that were not posted anywhere else.
If your endgoal is triple A studios like Riot or Blizzard, learn 3D; gamedev rarely ever hires people that do only 2d art anymore, no matter how good they are. >What is something that you do in a production/post production job? Is it primarily animation?
Post production will be mainly animation or any further marketing of a finished product; preproduction will be concept art, storyboards or animatics, and I feel like pre-/production may really fit what you're looking for; don't discount studios doing very corporate stuff like explainer videos too, they could be excellent places to learn. I don't know where you're from; to show you studios from my country I know for a fact that always look for 2d artists and you can take this as a reference where you could look for a job too, look up Studio Pidgeon or DashDot Creations. >>832438>Is not being good at drawing digitally that much of a hindrance if trying to get into these kinds of jobs?
I think that unfortunately to some extent yes, because time is the essence and going with traditional, scanning and only then getting to the digital part will most likely slow you down. It's very important to be versatile with what you create and often times you may be asked to redraw your art in a way that would be very similar but different enough for you to be forced to start from scratch; and that could be harder to do in traditional medium than straigh up digital. Personally I don't know anyone that would need to scan their work, and to be completely honest, I have no idea how a potential employer would react to it; probably be worried about the main issues I've mentioned. I do know a lot of people though who sketch out their ideas on paper first and then just recreate a polished version of it in digital, so that would be a norm. I'm sure with enough practice you can get good enough at digital only and use sketchbook only in the primary rough concept phase; someone mentioned drawabox earlier in the thread, line exercises there would be excellent to get you to feel more comfortable with a drawing tablet.
All that said, there are always outliers, and it's not impossible that you'll meet someone that will actually look for an artist that is most comfortable with traditional mediums, but I don't think it's a good idea to limit yourself in hope for that.
thanks. if not for an anon board I'd email you to ask a few more questions such as where you live. I'm in the US, though nowhere near cali where it seems a lot of studios are located.
I'll def expand to looking into pre-production studios and trying to find some. It'd be nice if there was a job board for gamedev, animation, preproduction, etc. that was relatively used and good for catching openings.
pre-production does fit what I'm looking for so I'll try to look for more studios like that.
nta, for the US most companies use linkedin and glassdoor to post their job openings now. Gamasutra's been kinda dead but that used to be the place to look. It's actually worth getting familiar with glassdoor because a lot of salary estimates get posted there if you look for specific titles, and it gives you a better idea of what you're likely to make going into a given company if it's big enough. Another one that's getting a lot of traction for indie/startup gamedev is workwithindies.com. I just recommend looking up the company site when you see job postings there because it's easier to apply through those than trying to do it directly through the bigger sites.>>832227
As the other anons have mentioned, you can always change careers later once you're more financially stable. I just switched back to an art related job recently after doing some time in more writing/systems related work that helped to raise my salary level, but I did keep up with doing digital art on the side with classes and artist alley throughout so switching wasn't nearly as rough as I had imagined it'd be.
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nta but I'm from Poland too! I'm learning how to draw and maybe I will continue my career on this path, but I think I choose this corporate crap art (pic rel) as a future profession. It's easy, fast and stress free to draw.
Btw, is it a competitive field in Poland?
true though i'm also living with my boyfriend now so it's a bit difficult to relocate just for me to find a place to work while maintaining one for him as well. >>832767
I have a LinkedIn but honestly, I really hate using it. I've always been super private online and I've always been careful about crossposting anything from my online life that could be linked back to my personal one including art. It's why for a long time I didn't really want to make an art station because I didn't want to put my actual name where people could just find it and tie it back to my online pseudonym. Weird but it's just how I am.
That said i am going to make an attempt using linkedin more often
Anons, which programs do you recommend for ipad? I tried procreate like everyone else but I didn't quite like it, I love CSP (on desktop) but I cannot afford the subscription based model. Do you suggest any other programs that are one-time-buy?>>832810
Some people are def looking for praise instead of critique. If they ask for critique and the critique isn't filled with praise people may just give backhanded replies or straight up be rude. It really depends on the person asking.
>>832803>Btw, is it a competitive field in Poland?
It is, I think as everywhere nowadays, especially on so called "higher tier" so all the sought out best companies; but at the same time there's a looot of work available to do in general so just to get a job in the industry and climb your way up is totally doable with some dedication. Big cities (especially Warszawa, to a bit lesser extent Kraków and Wrocław) are best to choose because you'll have it easy to switch between different companies especially in the beginning, which is the best way to get your salary to a comfortable level. >I think I choose this corporate crap art (pic rel) as a future profession. It's easy, fast and stress free to draw.
You'll be surprised lol
I'll probably freelance for now and see how things turn out. Honestly, I don't have big ambitions, I'm willing to draw anything (but not porn) and get some money. I'm not really into working for big companies, but thanks for the tips!
>You'll be surprised lol
Why? I mean, drawing this corporate crap is easy and fast in itself. But satisfying your boss or customers can be stressful lol.
Yes yes, I meant meeting the expectations; if it was about just doing what you like and animating it - easy job; but from my experience I have yet to witness anything in this simplified corporate style that was not either, as other anon just said, done in a tormentous crunch because deadline is ASAP, or didn't went through insane amount of iterations; sometimes both of these two at once.
Good luck with your freelance work! Look into polish zine scene, or the biggest illustration / poster contests, they provide a nice visibility and all of my succesful freelancer friends have participated in both. Maybe you can also look into tattooing if that's your thing?
>>833345>>833281>done in a tormentous crunch because deadline is ASAP, or didn't went through insane amount of iterations>they always want you to draw them the same day that it needs to be delivered
Oh yeah, that's problem. But like with any other job, there will always be some pressure sigh …
>Look into polish zine scene, or the biggest illustration / poster contests, they provide a nice visibility and all of my succesful freelancer friends have participated in both
Good idea! I'll keep an eye on it!
I guess for freelancer visibility and popularity are as important as skills.
>Maybe you can also look into tattooing if that's your thing?
Oh fuck no, I wouldn't have been able to properly draw under pressure and leave an ugly caricature on someone body.
Besides, learning adobe is a must in your field? Is affinity enough?
Is it more profitable to learn 3D modeling than just drawing?
What do you mean by animation? Do you animate your drawings?
Sorry if I'm asking too much. You anonette seems like you have quite exprience in this area, it feels intimidating lol.
>>833413>But like with any other job, there will always be some pressure sigh …
Honestly, depends, there are some more demanding than the others, I personally prefer some ocassional outside pressure than stress of freelancing but it's a matter of how you like to work really>I guess for freelancer visibility and popularity are as important as skills.
Popularity actually maybe less than you'd think! You just have to make sure to be visible to the right people that may want to hire you, establish professional relationship with a few customers and you'll be ok. None of my freelancing friends have more than 1-1,5k followers on social channels and things work out for them just fine; then again that depends on what kind of customer you'll be looking for. >learning adobe is a must in your field?
If you freelance I suppose no one will care what you use, otherwise knowing Adobe is a must to get a job. I've never been expected to know anything else and last time I've used anything other than that was in college, so yeah, if you want to work for someone in the future you must know your way around at least Photoshop and Illustrator, ideally also After Effects and InDesign but then again, depends on a job!>Is it more profitable to learn 3D modeling than just drawing?
Again, depends, but then knowing 3d is worth it even if you stick to 2d illustration; creating rough block out of a composition and setting up the light which you than can render and use as a base from any angle you want can really improve both your workflow and quality of the end result. With Blender resources being very easily accesible to use and learn everywhere online it's just silly to not try it out at the very least. As for actually getting a job in 3d modeling vs 2d illustration, the level of competition is similar. If you know both you'll often have an upper hand over candidates that don't; and if you want to pursue bigger gamedev, it's a requirement. >What do you mean by animation?
Ah sorry, in that case I referred to animating these simplistic corporate illustrations, because they're rarely ever NOT animated, so I did that mental shortcut in my head that if you want to pursue this aesthetic you'll have to know how to make it move as well. I know a little bit how to animate but in my job I was never required to do anything more to my illustration than some small floaty or glitchy effects that you'd be able to just learn on the go really.
For some reason dislike calling myself "an artist" somehow, but I guess I can say I've been working in an art industry for 7 years; it's kinda crazy to see people still have the outdated idea that art and creation is just a pastime and somehow less valuable career choice than idk, science, or medicine, or law. Everyone I was studying in art university with is working in the art industry now and I don't think it's that common for people majoring in something different to say that all of them stayed within their own pursued industry. So yeah, I'm really happy to help with any questions you may have as a beginner and maybe give you a small confidence boost, as it's totally doable to make a good living with it, there are just SO many ways to go.
Generally thanking them for asking and respecting whatever decision the artist makes over it?>>833690
Basically this. Repost pages that ask for the artist's consent (and respect if they get a "no" in response) and credit them accordingly via whatever links the artist provide is different than one that just reposts it and says "credit to the original artist".
With the former, if someone really wants to see more of someone's artwork they have a direct link to it. Not to mention, if they share it they also share the link to it, it can be helpful for artists who don't maintain multiple social media to have more people see their art and follow it back to their main page.
With the latter, whoever looks at it has to do the work of trying to find the original artist if they want it… and most people are less inclined to do that especially since a lot of people don't know how to use something like saucenao.
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>>833464>it's totally doable to make a good living with it, there are just SO many ways to go
Yes, that makes me optimistic!
Thanks anonette for ALL these answers! I really appreciate taking your time to write it all down for some random anon!
I will continue to develop my drawing skills!
"Neocolonialism" is international megacorporations exploiting developing country resources or predominantly taking foreigner workforce rather than locals leaving people scrambling for work in their own country. Equating it to a bunch of online bullying about problematic
depictions of anorectal violence is pretty fucking stupid. That's just microagression bullshit.