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Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine. And sometimes, people ask for help. Stop getting pissy about that. Vendetta-chans and twitterfags need to leave. Don't feed the trolls that visit, for fucks sake.
Discuss the shitty art and even shittier attitude of artists
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-General Art Bullshit
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Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
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2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
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previous thread: >>691728
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For the anon that asked her age in previous thread. She is on her 20s
For someone in her 20's she does act like a 13 year old, holy shit
Previous anon brought up the stalking thing, I think she's accusing the person who made the callout on her old account of stalking because people who follow her are blocked by them?
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>screencaps and shit talk artists they hate
>talks about how they deserve more followers than said artists
>always starting discourse on main
But this artist really thinks some apology post caused the backlash against her?
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How do you have art like this but still decide to shit on other artists round the clock?
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This is why never rely your lives on social Media.
Not sure anyone in this thread know about Doddle Dan. That weirdo guy that make a ginjika based on usa state. Here are some con with Lovely and Doddledan.
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And she calls other people stalkers lol wtf is wrong with her?
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The artist is japanese anon.
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Imagine labeling yourself as cyberbully but getting blank out by the corner of internet.
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Why would you self own this hard?
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Why would she say shit like this then go bully more people…
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What the fuck is thisss
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yeah you're not in your 20s
love how it's always the people who tweet every 10 minutes and have over 10k tweets under their name the quickests to pull the "log off go touch some grass <3" sassy comeback. They don't even try to be self-aware.
This person keeps preaching about how much they hate twitter and that they don't give a shit about followers bla bla yet was suspended a little while ago and ban evaded because they just can't stay off it.
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this is the one that shows such an obvious parasocial hate. "big artists have no feelings, only I suffer".
Big artists have to keep a robotic, unaffected face because people like you salivate over their emotional pain
bro this looks like ms paint. look at the hair strands, is that not that one brush tool?
also girl got a nose fetish, is the only thing on the whole drawing that is full rendered.
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Consider checking out alterego on twitter, this is one of shae's mutuals. Alterego also insists that shes asian/latine/black but refuses to post any selfies. Both artists apparently suffers from DID
Lol this is just more proof that twitter is becoming tumblr. you say you don't like one random thing and you immedeatly have a bunch of literally mentally ill people with a grudge triying to ruin you
I feel a bit bad for them, cuz obviously DID must be very hard to live with, but these people really need to take a step back a evaluate how ridiculous they look being petty like that.
It absolutely cannot be healthy for literally mentally ill people to take internet shit this serious (it already is unhealthy for regular people)
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They brag about being great at drawing curls yet the hair looks like a child's attempt at drawing a dust cloud.
Ironic how the straight hairs framing the face look more detailed and well done than the afro puffs.
Badly rendered, looks like Victoria from corpse bride got the Instagram hoe plastic surgery package.
A lot of these people never gave a shit about art in the first place and are now probably discovering how lucrative social media art accounts can be so they’ll rush out pieces like this and then expect quick and instant praise and e-fortune.
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Another incredibly mediocre artist in there circle of friends who harrases idolomantis (another bigger artist) for clout
Teachiko really takes the cake.
You will never see a twitter drama on weebtwitter she hasn't started or at least been a main actor.
I will try to find screenshots but she has been harassing mixed asian people for not looking asian enough.
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You consider this fully rendered??
Does she realize that she's complaining and screaming racist left and right because an artist that's japanese draws characters that are very stylized and are not meant to be realistic portraits with colorful skin colors (they use literal white, literal black but not mammy caricature, grey, reddish, green as well as natural skin colors) and then she draws what's supposed to be a black woman with fucking blue skin and bright pink lips. It's fine when she does it, right? Fuck off, her art comes off as more disrespectful since they're all ugly as sin.>>725472
Anon, she doesn't have DID. Twitter DID means they have a lot of ocs they roleplay with. It's not difficult to live with because it's made up. If she doesn't post selfies, she could even be saying she's black because one of her alters is, you never know.
i hate people who get mad that someone with a larger following than them qrts them
talk shit get hit
>>725503>Anon, she doesn't have DID. Twitter DID means they have a lot of ocs they roleplay with. It's not difficult to live with because it's made up. If she doesn't post selfies, she could even be saying she's black because one of her alters is, you never know.
Fuck I didn't know that. Now I feel like my trust was betrayed. Are you sure it is like that? At least LOVED(number) mentioned going to a therapist so I assume it's actually diagnosed. Man I try to sympathise with twitter people one time and…
It actually feels scary to think people would be such petty sociopaths for literally no reason
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>>725479>shit talking about Lovely = terf
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Went to see her tweets and the fuck? All this for someone writing, may god break your hands. Isn't this just exaggerating?? As if twittfags don't write dumb shit while discussing
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They started cancelling Fatma because supposedly saying "may God break your hands" was her wishing harm against african americans according to them. Pretty hypocritical tho
(This is LOVED(number)'s supposed bother/sister btw)
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I don't know how many of you anons are interested in cartoon twitter (absolute goldmine of autistic drama) but people brought up the amphibia drama back after 2 years, and insane rumors are spreading
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and the shipping drama for context. Hannah got called a pedo for shipping a teenage girl and a frog. Matt Braly is the creator of Amphibia
I'm gonna be honest, I really miss "no fuck given" mentality of 2012 internet, there's zero harm done with this image, let people draw ships, whatever stop being so damn offended with every innocent drawing.
This said, showrunners gotta start acting professionally too, high time animation studios started holding some courses on internet conduct because they clearly keep forgetting they're no longer some obscure artist making stuff just for themselves and things they write online can damage the brand.
Damn, I already knew she didn't actually mean it literally, but there was an Arab girl that quote retweeted her with basically "OMG THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT SHE SAID OMG THIS IS NOT OK". What you said makes the qrt girl seem even worse.
Imagine getting thrown under the bus by your own kin like that, damn
Exactly, no matter what you will do, they will find a way to criticize you. If you do not draw enough brown/black characters, you are racist. If you draw too many brown/black characters, you are blackfishing.
If you block these types of people because they cause drama nonstop, you are racist for targetting them. You will never win in this fight, especially since their behavior is socially acceptable on twitter/tumblr because its in the name of allyship/activism.
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One of Shae's moots, wow
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This is from the old callout thread for her old account, I can't find the tweet after because suspended accounts but this is the person she made the native/biracial comments against. We can add defended/encouraged harassment of minors with her mutual to her bucket list according to the thread lmao
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They stalked and released the private account of a 15 year old, that's fucking creepy yet they're trying to call this person a stalker
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To add they found this person's new account and go on about them, to be honest the whole stalker accusation seems like self deflection at this point
i wonder what the lesbophobe and groomer stuff is about though
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What the fuck?! that's creepy psycho shit… If I was that kid i would be fucking terrified
I get why it would be offensive, Native Americans hasve strict rules about using imagery, and who gets to participate in the culture. Sure technically everyone can do whatever they want but still..
What bothers me more is that this person was openly racist against an indigenous person and then has the guts to call out other people for being racists.
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Ironic considering shae is also 20, yet she spends 40 hours a week harassing people on twitter
>>725489>tell us who you REALLY mean, be specific, say it with your chest.
First worlder. Whiny, bitchy and spoiled rotten first worlder.>>725740
I see the new trend is bitter "artists" with no personality attacking nonblack non-americans for no reason. Wrap it up gringo
Twitter could NOT roll out that country blocking feature sooner.
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Imagine being their sibling and finding this, that's gotta be awkward lol
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This is Shae's old account so I don't know about whatever else but this comes off as racist to me,and this certainly isn't her sibling
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She's got a hashtag for people to draw her stuff for free. Pretty narc looking
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what is she on? this is literally the only thing she does
She likes to point at other poc
and be racist then when they do anything back cries about how everyone is anti black and how they should send her money it's pathetic
Do you know what she was quote retweeting? I'm curious>>725765>Wrap it up gringo. Twitter could NOT roll out that country blocking feature sooner.
Well, I absolutely agree with that lmao buuut a thing that I see is that most people (except for maybe some hispanics and some arabs) will feel the need to atract as wide of an audience as possible wich means they almost always speak english all the time and will conciusly or unconciously make themselves more westernised or americanised… wich often means you end up inevitably attracting mostly american fans. We non americans really need to learn to cater as little as possible to american kids if we want to avoid them while we still can't block whole countries.>>725767>>725770
Yes her "sister" confuses me a lot too because she said that it was her sister who made the anti native tweets but them a person tweeted claiming to have been the one to have made the tweets but that person had he/they on profile. Also on some tweets it was her friends telling her that it was defenitely her sister and I relly don't know how other people would know that better than herself.
I'm honestly still not completely convinced that her "sister"/"brother" isn't some sort of DID thing.>>725776
She specifically mentioned Native americans being anti blck in her answer to that curios cat question
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What really funny is that TEACHNIKO try to cancel sakimichan but failed miserably.
Does this people have thing to do rather obsessing successful big artist ?
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Maybe because y'all are annoying and narcissistic as fuck
How are you guys even on twitter and do you have any advice to keep safe on there. I don't want to post on a platform where I consta
ntly have to be scared of being doxxed and harrassed.
You can block them i guess, but keep in mind that these people are the types to post screenshots and ask "who this?" to make their moots and followers look into your account and see if they can catch something "sus" about you, because they're so incredibly narcissistic they believe anyone who doesn't like them must be a racist pedophile. I suggest muting them instead.
Try to evade discourse and drama as much as possible and don't engage with people who give you bad vibes.
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This javi draws discourse has been going on for days, I wish people took breaks off twitter.
>>725779>. We non americans really need to learn to cater as little as possible to american kids if we want to avoid them while we still can't block whole countries.
Sadly as you say, we cant just stop using english unless we want to stay on niche markets.
About her sister…wouldn't be surprised if shes fake and that's just her roleplaying lmao>>725799
I already had her blocked even though Ive never seen her before, I do use blockchains so probably most of these black artist that where blocked by meyoco were just shit stirrers>>725805
How do you attack eastern fandom? I've interacting with Russian artists and they are mostly chill it seems those that interact mostly with Americans are the most aggressive ones
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Yeesh, not even black people are safe for speaking against this behaviorhttps://twitter.com/heybiji/status/1355341188832759812?s=19
I can respect well enough that but you really gotta be careful. You gotta try to get a really good feel for the vibes of the people you're thinking of following. Do not interact with people that seem childish, and I'd personally advise you to really avoid people that seem to be way too into IdPol (maybe you also want to support other types of minorities, but imo you should be careful with way to many minority labels in bio being a warning sign).
If you want to get more variety in your following list try to go for the professional people at first, like people that have worked for disney or dream works or etc… those people have an actual job that expects them to act professional so they can't be walking around publicly acting like children>>725805
's list is also pretty good. Turning of the replies may make some people think you're suspicious but the other stuff sounds legit. If you're not american try not attracting american followers. I have never heard of this type of drama between other nations. I'd advise you to keep a mindset of "few good followers are better than a lot of potentially bad followers"
A lot of the other advice is also good. Be nice, don't be political, don't be toooo opinionated, maybe avoid certain types of edginess that may bite you in the butt later, steer as far away as possible from people you already know like to cause drama
Last thing, for the love of the Lord do not post stuff that could get you doxxed.
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Do these wackos ever call it quits my god
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That girl is defenitely a nutjob. Look at her here.
"WTF you are defending your friends instead of throwing them under the bus to side with a bunch of sperg ass childish people on twitter dot com? those people are black so you are being racist!">>725816
In places like instagram I think you can be more lenient cuz it's more chill, but on twitter I think it really might be worth it to purposefully atract less followers in order to have a more peaceful following base. Art is a visual medium anyway, so I think so long as you actually use twitter to post mostly art instead of hot takes you will atract people that are there for the art and not for random drama.
And to atract the eastern fandoms I think you should just interact more with them. Don't do the thread that are popular with the US, do the ones that are popular with Easterners. I have no experience with this but this sounds like something you could think of triying.
Could you say where you got that screenshot from?
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Heybiji is now being called out for being critical of the discourse (she posted this in december but just rted it.)
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These tweets got deleted
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One of the artists that called out javi draws has posted this
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Blockscripts can't be biased lmao it can't tell the difference between a black and white person, dumbass
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Mtf their only weapon is the race card
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I’m just now following this mess and… wow.
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It's some legitimately unhinged behaviour. I don't know how this person got a job at an actual studio when they've been causing drama and fighting with other artists on twitter before, which led to them getting banned on their previous account.
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Oh wow, even kiana commented on the discourse.
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context: ivy(destinytomoon) dates a fakeboi and whines when her woke fans point out the obvious clout chasing going on. whines to her followers about this at least 100 times a day b4 drawing her usual chalk scribbles
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Ivy is one of my favorite cows because she, a white latine, shit on other white people constantly.
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There are cookies, like they have no race
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Turns out Shae is hiding on their private account, something they've bullied others for doing lmao (the privated account is their priv, @plsdontswordpls) they responded recently so they have to be active. The hypocrisy
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These people are so transparently disgusting holy shit how does this person have a job
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where are the nipples where did they go
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Biji is a saint, holy shit
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A closted Xenophobic. (Dark Skinned Asian exist sweetie sorry).Honestly they only draw GI chracters as black for a clout. Totally a performative "activism"
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to American twitter artists realize they're not the only opressed group on the planet?
and saying that doesn't make you racist right? nvm they need to feel personally victimized by literally everything and everyone
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The lack of self awareness is real
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'my alters are fronting more than i-'
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Gee I know I'm cherry picking but his artstyle really became shit after he decided to emulate that 90's style, his coloring technique greatly improved (not pictured) but his sketches are unaesthetic
It's obviously not actually an apology, she's just explaining to her friends/followers why she's gonna stop using that account so much. I'm not even exactly sure who the "apology" is geared towards to. Javi? Fatma? Azurefangs? Her followers?
Tbh I kinda wanna believe she does actually have DID. Mentally healthy people being like that just cuz is more scary to me (and the way how she talks with her friends about her sister is still weird to me + it's also kinda weird to go from tought guy attitude to victim
atitude in less than a day)
Either way I'm actually glad she had at least more than two braincells to realise that it's not a good idea to be acting tought on the internet if you're actually super sensitive. This probably was just her signaling that she got tired of backlash/drama, and hopefully it means she won't be causing anymore trouble (at least for a bit)>>726110
Who's that? At least give us the name so we can google more examples, anon
The anatomy on that sketch is just yikes. One of his legs looks so much ticker than the other
>>726170>>726167>Her circle and friends
They're a whole farm. All of them.
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Cant wait for these early 20s "animators" go into job hunting and realize they are already blacklisted from workplaces thanks to the toxicity they love to show while proudly showing info that can easily be identifiable >>726169
Ugh I hate when they delete posts
The deleted is about Shae should reciving a thread or not. Personally I think Shae's milk is already dry.
I think her circle and friends deserve a thread probably best to go with /snow/
I just searched him up, and I don't think his art is toooo bad, just way to weeb for my taste, and at least from a first glance the majority of his artwork has a bit of a slighly sketchy/not fully polished look to it that also isn't exactly my cup of tea
I always find it a bit of a negative for artists to focus so much in style/stylistical homogeinity because of this type of thing
However, tbh the second artwork in your example looks a bit generic imo (albeit still technically skilled)
tumblr at least had some funny delusional bullshit such as the gold that was dashcon, twitter is just the successful lovechild of a psych ward and a garbage truck.
i don't remember tumblr users being so fucking entitled and fame hungry as these current twt artists are either.
i'd take up a fandom tumblr sjw over a sjw twitter artist any day honestly.
I gotta say I'm glad that this LOVED927948448498 person is now aware that whatever you post on the internet doesn't go unnoticed. I am also very amused at how incredibly fast they seem to crumble at being bit back considering how much time they spend on being hostile and creepy.>>726250
Is the driver updated? If so, try downloading a previous version and seeing if it fixes the issue.
I use paint tool SAI on my potato laptop, seems lighter than other softwares and runs smoothly. You should at least try to figure out if it's a csp issue or the tablet's.
Am I the only one incredibly annoyed at the way she types?>Um… YEAH>yeah accountability bla bla>I don't realllllly wanna say this but…
God shut the hell up, drop the sassy babble already you sound insincere and childish as shit… is this person really an adult?
>>726355>Lol most east asian artists aren't gonna bother with you if you don't speak the langauge
Unfortunately this… You should at least try learning their language before befriending them. Also, try to have common interests (what interests you in them vs what interests them in you) and don't come off as creepy. Put effort into the friendship and the language barrier can be overcome.
t. trilingual retard searching for a language learning partner
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It does't even matter that Biji is a black artist that agrees that this situation was blown way of of proportion. Her opinion went against what they say so they dismiss her.
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This thread is killing me. She's taking a break from twitter to focus on her caffeine addiction? And sorry if she bullied you, she didnt know? What about all the mentally ill people who you harassed and accused of being racist or a pedo. Do their mental health and dissociations not matter because they need to be held accountable? I hate twitter artists
Korean netizens are heavily into gossip and politics, so theres always a lot of commentary on korean news. I know many still think the word/concept of feminism is offensive, while others are a bit radicalized. So there is discourse about that. People who make jokes about sexual assault /the burning sun incident, etc. It sort of is similar to western fandoms, but again I don't really speak korean so I don't care.
I think most foreigners are fine with westerners, but there is an obvious culture clash in fandom spaces. Especially if the westerner is some idiot 20 year old stan who would write 'omg ur killing me!!' Or 'takE THIS DOWN FKAJFJAHFHSJAJ' Because foreigners will take that literally.
As long as you're respectful and sensitive in your replies, there shouldnt be an issue.
OT, I do know of a japanese artist who got harassed by foreigners on deviantart. Theyre pretty popular on twitter and if they see an english speaker follow them, the artist would block them.
I don't know about about Japanese and Korean artists and I also don't have twitter but do you know how the Indonesians are?
At least on instagram they seem to be super chill, although I'm not sure if the ones I follow may be just a pretty large group of friends or if it is because they're more into military art and into the polandball community than into the muh Original Character stuff. I'm curious if it's just the ones I follow or if it is somehow a general Indonesian thing
(I don't think this is a SEA thing because Philipinos give me completely different vibes)
Right so no matter where on the internet you are there's always going to be toxic
communities. I think it would just be better to find ways to avoid drama and how to maange drama than escape to other communitites. Or build a following so large that you can afford to avoid bullshit and only address legitimate accusations.
When it stops working, is it just the pen pressure that stops and you can still move the cursor around and stuff via the tablet? If that's the case (and all your drivers are updated) then I get the same issue now and again, usually after saving. You can either restart CSP or go to File>Preferences>Tablet and change the setting from WinTab to TabletPC, confirm, then go back into that menu and change it back to WinTab.
If the tablet itself just stops working altogether then that could be more of a driver issue - I use a wacom and now and then it still does that "driver not found" bs and forces a restart to fix it.
As you mentioned it's your first tablet, I'd doublecheck that you installed the drivers correctly; iirc if you plug the tablet in before installing the drivers, windows will install its own tablet software automatically first. I'd also look up how to disable "Windows Ink" if you haven't already, it assigns some gestures to the tablet which can be inconvenient (like a "press and hold" input which can lag your strokes).
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Imagine talking about yourself in 3rd person and also pretending to speak broken English to affirm you are totally a “Japanese little girl”
Weebs are brain damaged
Doesnt she comprehend that her artstyle is like an artist's fingerprint??
Unless you stop drawing altogether or ACTUALLY leave the internet, people are going to find you eventually.
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She tried to change her coloring but it’s the same fucking style lol
It IS possible to improve and change your style, but it takes a lot of time (we're talking many years) and effort and dedication. These people don't seem to have any of that nor the will to accomplish something so difficult.
It's so funny how they can just go away for a year and come back with the same bland ass weeb style and assume people will not identify them right away. It's like they assume people are morons.
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Honestly anon? It doesn't take that long to re-vamp your style, imo. I know when you draw a lot of stuff becomes a habit after a while, but if you decide you want to change your style you can do that after a couple months. Just look at how milkywaes changed. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this style change was done in a year or less
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I'm convinced Fuyura Mari is Shunao because:
-using obvious voice changer
-speaks chinese(something she would advertise on her twitch)
-plays the same games (mahjong soul, gundam)
-obsession with gundam(she used to stream gundam with her bf @betadood)
@solaria_aa is also Shunao because:
-constantly RTs gundam fanart
-bad google translate japanese
-her locked @_shunao account shares a lot of mutual followers with this account
I'll post more possible receipts in the following posts
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Furuya Mari talks about "unfortunate incidents" in 2020
"Saying 2020 was stressful is definitely undermining how much crap I went through this year" https://youtu.be/SRPNCiinbbs?t=2333
A guy almost had his life ruined by false rape accusations but you
are still the victim
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A quick art comparison, @solaria_aa has a more refined style but the same hair and color style of the purple OC are a dead giveaway
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shes so dramatic lmfao
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The other information makes it seem likely.
I still don't think the art styles are very similar but I tried to list anything I noticed that seemed distinctive. Another thing I noticed is that Solaria_aa's art fluctuates between looking very skilled and kinda nooby. It looks like they're experimenting or copying different approaches.
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who wants to bet this cow tagged all these artists to get attention bc looking at their follower count they otherwise wouldn't get any clout
Those same people that are upset probably cream themselves over demon slayer even though there’s a design with the rising sun flag too.
I agree with you that the flag shouldn’t be promoted, but online policing of anime art with the facade of “social justice” is so stupid
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annoying shitbabies still trying to cancel a huge artist over muh fictional aged-up pedophilia, wish these asswipes would get sued it’s so annoying
pinoy art twitter is awful as it's almost like english speaking twitter but worse
lots of stolen kpop art drama and cringe woke weeb shit but i guess they can understand englishsa mga nagbabasa nito tamaan ay wag magalit
damn okay then so i guess nobody is safe huh
Would it be wise to be secretive/private about your identity and not give any hints to your nationality on art twitter? Genuine question
I dont like any kink art made of real people,but let's pretend this isn't the issue for this:
If someone draws nsfw of Tom Holland's spider man, who is underage as character but was in his 20s when the movie was made, would it be considered bad by those people? Also I mean art that really resembles the actor.
It's a legit question because I can't fully understand how they think. They seem fine with weird crap, but weirded out by the most abstract shit.
Also I don't want this to turn into the pedophile art discussion, I don't mean 1000 yrs old dragon characters that look 10 years old, realistic drawings of kids disguised as adults or extreme gore pictures made of random characters.
samefag; since there seems to be some confusion regarding this screenshot and my caption may not have helped: the anime characters this artist is drawing are aged up in canon; her nsfw art of them (judging by what she’s said, i’m not a subscriber) takes place after a canonical timeskip where the characters are all in their 20s. it’s not a matter of “pedophilia” no matter how you spin it.
frankly seeing these morons downplaying and watering down pedophilia so hard is pissing me off, it’s extremely harmful.
The Twitter tirade of labeling artists pedos diminished real victims
BUT what did this artist expect participating in a fandom that is known to police shit like this? This didn’t happen over night, rapid HQ fans were a thing for YEARS
You can’t pander art to a group and not expect them to freak out when you also do things they dislike. She can continue to draw smut but she can’t expect to retain the majority of her fans. She needs to grow a thick skin and ignore the audience she doesn’t want
Nowadays when I hear someone being called a pedophile or an abuser, I genuinely can't tell if they are actually those things or just looked at porn of ahed up anime characters that dont even resemble teens or they shipped a "problematic
There was a youtuber that got cancelled for "supporting abuse" even though it was just him JOKING about a ship (a ship that is a running gag in the source material as well)
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Her private account still exists>>726805
Her still being obssessed with Meyocco is just pathetic cuz they actually have literally no proof against Meyocco. They're literally just obssessed with cancelling her and just won't drop it. How empty must their lives be?
Look at this other girl. Doesn't this sound like some serial killer shit?
Extra context: this one isn't even black. She's legit just some cracka triying to be woke>>726915
Is it one of the main names that were being thrown around or is it legit just some rando that dared to defend Javi? I remember a girl had a tweet just to name a bunch of people that defended Javi
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take this how you will, but this artist made 2k overnight in donations because they were being harrassed for drawing black miku. idk if this person was one of the people harassing javi. but they are who the person in >>726805
haven't you seen the unironical "I'm black pay me whities" posts?
Black Twitter community is weird and every 4-5 months has a fight with yet another non english bipoc group, weirdly never white artists tho
You know those "I'm a 18 year old autistic gender fluid trans girl my parents just kicked me out of home pls donate to me I will literally starv" scams?
We should just start doing that except instead we just pretend to be black and draw black versions of characters, make sure they're hideous so some people will criticise us, and then fake we're being bullied so the twitter tard will pay us.
2000 bucks easy peasy
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Unpopular take about the hatsune miku controversy
Idc about racebending miku tbh, but you can see from the drawings which one artist that really care about miku character and the one doing it for clout
I've seen darker-skinned, fat Mikus that don't look like this joke of a design.
tbh it's the toothgap that sends me
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I saw this pop up on my tl and I thought it was supposed to be ironic until I realized it wasn't
She does. Not to blame the victim
against these shitstains, but I think a lot of these artists need to tune out these idiots and report them for harassment and the inevitable ban evasions as quickly as possible. There's no need to entertain these people. If you do NSFW art, that goes doubly so.>>726954>>726955
May as well reap the benefits of this shithole. I'd do it myself if I had the time.>>726957
The segregation is hilarious. I also love how one just says GAY.
I actually tried looking for it too and I can't find it.
Is it the "personal cow" thread?
See, the one on the left is really good. Racebends can be really nice when they don't look like literal racist caricatures, but if you're a shitty artist looking for clout and brownie points you either purposely ignore that fact or are just painfully ignorant.>>727014
Two birds one stone I guess. More brownie points and medals.
Personally I don't care about race bending either way but it's funny that artists always pick japanese characters to racebend in the name of "more POC
representation" when they are replacing asian with black characters. But race politics in america is always black and white.
Saw a pretty black girl cosplay as Flora when the CW Winx Club drama started, and someone commented with "I always knew Flora was black"
> Flora is a Latina, whose race was blatantly erased in the new adaptation
Are we surprised that blacks only care about their own representation and nobody else's?
Do you really think one comment on social media represents all black people? Also,>blacks
enough blacks have harassed innocent artists this weekend for me to come to this conclusion
srsly fuck them(racebait)
Those woke twitter artists only care about representation that's not black if the character looks the least white possible. If the character is latin@ then they better look like a stereotypical racist caricature of a hispanic otherwise "it's not representation bc they look white af".
I wouldn't blame only the black artists tho, that's a woke twitter problem in general.
yeah all black people in the world are sjw left wing people obsessed with cartoons despite most black people, including american ones, tend to be more socially conservative than not. its retarded how you think a group of of nerdy black americans perpetually online is somehow all black people.
its funny cause white american people are more likely to be the left wing redditor type than anything IRL, but lol
Actually, I'm pretty sure anime characters are race-less unless stated or implied otherwise. I actually remember it being discussed in these threads when anons were talking about black representation in anime like 2 months ago, which is very interesting to me.
I do personally feel like it's hard to make a character race neutral unless you literally make their skin color paper white. There's no "race neutral" skin color, imo. I don't think one skin tone should be the default, but it's just anime so who really cares.
Pinoys are most likely more aware of western identity politics and drama out of all SEA countries
<spoiler>penge ph art twt recs yun hindi masyadong reklamador</spoiler>
I agree that anime characters are usually so stylized that they read as race-neutral or eurasian. However you'll see that like in death note for example they draw the caucasian people quite differently with large noses and deep-set eyes and prominent brow bones.
Japanese people don't think of themselves as having yellow skin and slit eyes (because they don't, but that's what would make them read east asian to a western audience) so they can project the characters as japanese. Kind of how you could show people a stick figure or similarly simplified cartoon dude and an american would assume they are white whereas a japanese person would think they are asian.
Besides I think when an anime character is portrayed as living in japan with a japanese name and speaking japanese it would be a stretch to assume they are white.
I wonder what would happen if the creator of miku (the design not the voice) reacted to this. After all, miku is used to joke about Notch and JK Rowling being problematic
creators, so what if it turns out Miku’s own creator were problematic
Kinda both. At one point the Arabs where saying that americans were annoying and Fatma wrote americans as "amr/cans" or something like that and a bunch those people were saying "oh wtf is an amr/can, is that a new dog whistle for black people? Is it? Is it?">>726956
Yeah the thing is that some of the artists that do that do that on "purpose" because they're supposed to be "not conventionally pretty" (cuz that's more browny points)
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Their art is so fucking ugly https://twitter.com/BOXERHOLE
So Tajmerk threatened to draw incest of real people as a punishment and got no repercussion for their action??? >>727240
I took the time to scroll and you cherry-picked their worst stuff anon. Their artstyle isn't my thing either but their art isn't bad.
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not you picking that when this exists
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That's Heather lol. Tbf, the total drama art style is kinda ugly, but it has a unique charm to it
sad that you have to look at the decent editing and lighting and then at their borderline racially offensive faces that look like cartoon caricature styles lmao
desperately trying very hard to have a distinct style instead of focusing on making it pleasing to eye
Love the left one. It's super cute. Good design and great style. The right one literally looks like a parody drawing that racists from /pol/ would make.>>726957
I was going to say this is the first decent faceup I've seen her do in a long time, I've been getting sick of blocky acrylic eyebrows and eyelashes, it looks well blended and clean.
But I'm with you on the wheelchair, it made. the video seem kind of odd like a huge part was missing. I get wanting a separate video for the tutorial for the chair but not even a "I'm going to make a cute lolita character with a mobility aid!" in the beginning would have added some context.
yeah, I've been feeling like she rushes a lot of her videos lately, and I notice that mostly in terms of quality. The lineart in the edgy sailor moon to me looked not very good (to say the least), and in the Bloom design her shoes completely stick out from the rest of the drawing because she completely half assed their colouring and the blue t-shirt's bottom feels like how I would draw a t-shirt on primary school. I would had liked the Bloom drawing a lot more if it weren't for the t-shirt and shoes cuz those things stuck out to me like a sore thumb fr
Also this part may be nitpicking, but why the heck would you put such strong shadow on top of the hair bangs? Where's the light supposed to be coming from?
The new design being way more muted is because she's a pastel artist, and pastel artists always make everything more muted to fit their aesthetic. Imo would be interesting if she made a "forcing myself to use strong colours" challenge vid (tbh most likely would just be like the realism vids and it would take her 2 years for her to realise what "saturated" actually means, but it would still be progress)
Funniest part of it to me tho was how she mentioned netflix making her powers come out of her hands instead of staffs as them erasing the magical girl influence but then she did the same herself lol
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Sage because I know "artist makes a redraw of their own work but actually gets worse" is old stuff but the one thing that pisses me off beyond anything is when artists do redraws except the original one looks like it's supposed to be a polished finished drawing/painting but then the redraw looks squetchy af.
Cuz the thing is, you may have improved technically, but how the heck am I supposed to judge it properly like that?
It's like you purposefully want people to think you got worse
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they’re trying to be a samdoesarts knockoff lmao
Man I get that art style theft doesn't exist and that it's dumb to come after people for copying someone's art style… But if I was an artist who has spent years if not decades honing my craft, experimenting and slowly developing my own unique style and someone else came along and just copied the end result without going through all of the work and profiting of MY work I'd be kinda pissed. But I'm also super petty so…
At least those copycats usually have no skill. Some do but because they just copied the style they are stuck with extreme sameface syndrome, see all of the loish copycats like lotusbubble and joyblivion whereas loish is actually able to draw different faces and likenesses when she chooses to. But to be fair samdoesarts always draws the same face as well. he is super talented though and seems like a chill guy.
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the lovednumbers specimen was clearly a horrifying person but seeing the support they received makes me wonder: why do people offer support to artists like this? what can be gained? she displayed no redeeming qualities whatsoever, i don’t understand why people would support someone with such an unabashedly rancid personality with art like >>725408
that’s below shite
with someone whose art is so terrible and personality arguably even worse, why would anyone support them? it should be some ulterior motive but i can’t figure out what exactly, is it because the followers themselves feel better by comparison?
Tbh it's because it can get you a lot of followers. I saw a personal cow go from <20 followers to over 400 in the space of a few months because she'd suck up to these types and they'd retweet her hot takes a lot, and she'd get a lot more attention for that compared to her art.
I don't think they realise these new followers + mutuals will turn on them in an instant if they step out of line though because they inevitably start cannibalizing themselves when they run out of other people to attack.
In animes where they basically take place in fantasy land yeah
but a lot of them have japanese names… live in towns with japanese names… it's safe to assume that they're japanese.
Things have gotten really bad with these types crawling everywhere nowadays, you're not wrong. Anyone who thinks they're not a problem would cave as soon as a harassment campaign started on them because they don't understand they tend to be ongoing and can last months if not longer. It took me a long time to understand how out of hand it's gotten so I get why it doesn't seem like a big deal.>>725787
My advice is this;>Never join discords>Keep talking to an absolute minimum in public>If you have any old accounts, contact archive.org to delete any archives of sensitive info that could be found on you (if they exist), then purge everything once it's removed>Never use real information>If you can keep what languages you speak vague, this is a good thing. These creeps don't tend to come after people who speak things like chinese, japanese, russian etc. So limiting the amount of english you post is a plus.>Do not use the same email and password for your internet stuff as your real life stuff. I know it's a hassle but you have to keep everything separate incase anyone ever got in. I'd imagine most popular artists have regular attempts to access and compromise their accounts. Start using randomly generated passwords and a password manager like Keepass.>Don't bother blocking people, it won't really help you because people like this will harass you further if they find out and they tend to have multiple alts anyway. Instead, mute them and turn off notifications from anyone who you don't follow. Turn off DMs too.>If a harassment campaign starts, immediately deactivate and wait it out. If you're not around then people won't care about hassling you because that's boring and they won't get attention. In a few weeks they will have moved on to their next target so it will be ok to reactivate, just keep a low profile.>If you can help it, avoid following back randos you don't know. Back in the day following artists was generally fine but nowadays you have to be careful, in my experience a ton of them tend to gravitate towards drama and you don't know if they'll ever have a perceived slight towards you for unfollowing them, not retweeting their posts etc. Only follow people you know are ok and be selective.>Don't talk about anything that isn't art and even at that, avoid giving any real opinions on anything. I saw one artist get dragged last year for a several year old tumblr post they had made about Lilo and Stitch, I think, saying that they didn't like Lilo because they thought she was a brat and it spiraled in to that they were a racist. It still hasn't let up to this day. People like this will search for things you say to take out of context and put spin on it so it's better to just not give them ammunition.
You don't really need to go full paranoid. Just don't insert yourself into political discussion if you don't need to and don't do what most of these types do where they actively pander these kind of audiences and are surprised when they get bit. I've been an active artist online for years in various communities and have never had an issue.
Also that Lilo and Stitch discourse person got called a racist because they had actively racist shit on their tumblr that got found and was a Trump supporter. It wasn't "several years ago" it was like last year when it happened and they linked to their posts about the discourse on their twitter.
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I think people could benefit from some awareness lest the rug be pulled from under them. Glad it helped you.>>728086
It's not going full paranoid. That's common sense and even at that it doesn't always work. I've seen people mass report japanese artists and get them banned in these kinds of attacks when they don't even speak the same language. The culture is very different nowadays to how it was even just a few years ago.
Reading comprehension, anon. I said it happened last year and that their tumblr post was from years beforehand, 2017 I believe. That's also not true either because I saw it firsthand, it started when people started dogpiling them as a racist because saying Lilo as a brat was apparently a micro aggression of other cultures as Lilo's behaviors have to do with the fact there are tourists/expats invading her town (like the girls in the dance studio) and she was a white woman "bullying" (lol) a brown girl according to the masses. After that obviously the digging in to the tumblr started and what you're describing followed but she was being called a racist for that specifically and there was multiple tweets about it with thousands of likes.
Here is a tweet that got 30k likes and it was made about that event specifically.
To be honest it was a really stupid "critique" piece she wrote so don't get me wrong. I remember reading it and I thought it was ridiculous too, for what it's worth, so I'm not trying to say people couldn't disagree or anything like that.
It's just that people couldn't have simply left it at "hey your opinion is shit actually", they had to dramaticise it to absurd levels to make it seem it was much more serious than it was.
As well, I was using it as an example (pretty much just the first one that came to mind), something like this set her up for people to harass her with in the future (and opened herself up to people digging for dirt on her) so it's better to just avoid setting yourself up for these kinds of scenarios to begin with.
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Looks like some twitterfags are looking to tan the hide of that artist who drew that minstrel-looking Miku. Thoughts? I wonder if this will develop.https://twitter.com/EpicFunnyName/status/1355645347092172802
anon, trust me, none of this is paranoid for twitter. i know it seems tinfoily but there's actual, real people who make "blacklists" for ""problematic
"" artists ("problematic
" meaning: anything they want it to mean) and go on witch hunts after people for doing the most trivial shit, people get harassed and get on blocklists just for following back someone a community deems "problematic
" or "creepy". this >>728020
anon's advice is spot on.
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I thought we were past the point of romantizicing mental illnesses.
I wouldn't mind this if it wasn't used in the drawing as nothing but a quirky trait
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the design was originally made by a black artist but the white artist's fanart of her design is what got called out for being racist tho. Kinda funny when trying to be an ally gets you attacked by the very crowd you were trying to please.
>>728262>Is drawing ugly black people a sin?
Who really wants to see that except other ugly people and racists, though? Like, who is it for? What is the purpose?
People should absolutely be shaming ugly SJW art styles and shitty character designs of all races, it serves no purpose.>referring to it as racist enforces negative stereotypes and reveals peoples disdain for distinct African features.
What does this person's art style have to do with distinct African features?
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Obviously it's not meant to be racist but it's not really disdain for african features, it's just the art is ugly. The lesbian and trans accessories clash so much with the rest of the design, and her left hand is posed or coloured weird (it looks like she's doing the spock hand thing but with her fist closed).
Also, it's not just african features, she's also fat, wich is slighly hard to not look bad, and she has a tooth gap, wich just makes her look like a (basically unsalvageable)
This Miku here is based on the same design and (at least imo, I don't know if you consider this to be watered down or not) still has african features but comes of as way easier on the eyes
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This is another Miku that also has a tooth gap and looks kinda ugly (she's supposed to be latine btw)
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I don't even see how African features would enter the conversation. These monstrous caricatures don't look like any race, and they'd be just as fucked up with white skin as with dark skin. I feel like anyone who thinks they have "African features" is just exposing their own racism.
That drawing isn't as bad, but the skin color is off IMO, looks ashy and almost greenish.
They should've followed a guide like this or another for coloring.
Tbh, I don't think anyone is saying those drawings are actually
racist, but the features they use in combination with the skin color makes them look like racist caricatures.
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Honestly this miku design is good in the right hands but we are assuming that these types of artists are skilled in the first place.
Picrel is fanart of said design by another artist
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nta but yeah, I wouldn't mind racebend fanart as much if it weren't for like, 95% of them being ugly as sin. (pic is of some cute ones I found)
It just looks like an OC, not Miku, if you gave me this picture without context I would assume it’s just some OCs looking cute.
Why do people just don’t create new shit instead of regurgitating popular designs? Is clout really what keeps people breathing?
These are pretty cute because they're not drawn to be aggressively ugly and they still resemble the character. The tag and attaching this kind of bullshit to Miku is stupid as fuck regardless, just make it a fucking fanloid like everyone else who did recolours back in 2008-9. Though I guess knowing that would be a result of actually knowing anything about vocaloid beyond just seeing Miku as a meme character thanks to twitter.
Going through it is just random looking girls in pigtails that share none of the actual Miku design elements at all, why then attach her name to it?
these are cute drawings but like, it's not miku?? what makes a character a character…their outfit and body and race. if you change all three then it's not the same character.
it's like the sailor moon redraws where people changed her race and outfit. that's not fanart of sailor moon, that's a drawing of a girl using the original screencap as a reference. at most you could say it was a drawing of a girl cosplaying as sailor moon. that's what these miku drawings look like
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Anon, people change characters outfits in fanart all the time? Like, pic rel is still Usagi, it's just a modern Usagi. The most important part of making fanart where you change the outfit or race is keeping the signature aspects of the design. These drawings >>728314
and even the ugly one above all have Miku's teal pigtails, which is a pretty important part of her design. Do you also feel these way when people make fan art of characters in different time periods and shit? It's still the same character, and tbh it would be boring if artists
were all drawing one thing the exact same way with no creative interpretations.
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Since we are talking about Mikus, anybody else thinks hijabi mikus look kinda weird? Not talking about art quality, just design wise
I know it's not supposed to be realistic, it's just for the aesthetic and so that it still has a similar silloette to Miku's, obv, but I simply can't stop myself from finding those two humongous cloth excesses just silly looking.
This could be just because I'm not a muslim so it's weirder to me but I dunno
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Personally I think it's still miku.Even there is some pda module that doesn't give the miku vibes.
I don't think Miku don't have any race baceause the creator itself doesn't even state it or give fuck about it. I understand that some people interpt it as japanese. But then again, I hate how Miku became the woke mainstream now and some people doesn't understand her character after all.
long-term Wacom user here (10+ years), that's been an issue with Wacom tablets for at least half the years I owned Wacom. at one point they updated their drivers that started causing that issue. it actually used to be worse, much worse. I also owned an Intuos FYI, one of the older medium size models from the early 2010s.
I'm not sure of a solution, however, one thing I always would do is open up the Wacom tablet management utility (you should have it downloaded already, it comes with your drivers) and make a save of my current tablet settings. then, I'd reload the tablet's drivers by uploading "new" settings by providing it that saved settings file. worked like a charm, and stops you from having to reboot. I'm really glad I moved on from Wacom, the problems were endless just with the software alone… hardware was fine for me!
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You may as well ask why people create fanart of anything. This is also Miku, but her hair is pink instead of the usual cyan, people change her design up all the time.
Instead of restarting your computer all together have you tried just restarting your tablet.
Go to your search bar in windows, type in Run. Type services.msc into the Open prompt and when a new window pops up scroll down until you find your tablet. Usually it'll be under Wacom Professional Service, click on it(or left click) and hit Restart. It should restart your tablet driver without you needing to restart the computer itself.
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Anon, Sakura Miku and black trans lives matters ACAB transbian Hatsune Miku are completely different making black trans lives matters ACAB transbian Hatsune Miku an OC, like Yamine Aku, for example, who is basically a fanart of Hatsune Miku with different palette and outfit.
Sakura Miku and the models posted upthread can be related directly to Hatsune Miku because at least the face And body type looks like hers, but black trans lives matters ACAB transbian Hatsune Miku doesn’t even have the same body shape of any recolor or normal fanart of Hatsune Miku.
I just think it could have been a better idea to just say that black trans lives matter ACAB transbian Hatsune Miku is just an OC rather than Hatsune Miku herself, but it’s the girl’s account and she won’t come here to agree with everyone and follow everyone’s ideas one by one.
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I think official Miku can look however the official sources want to and it still is recognizable as Miku, which is a good thing. What woke artists do is shitty and the drawings they make look like people cosplaying miku at best. I wouldn't call them miku myself, I think they're too ugly for that. It's the whole real life undertale shit again, forcing everything to be woke and political is fucking tiring. There's a difference between racial variety (which is good) and whatever these artists are doing. Everyone just wants to feel like a special snowflake and because they're weebs they take their self masturbatory frustration on Miku.
I'm probably autistic as hell for thinking this but I find this sort of endearing and the art is cute kek. A lot more creative than "here's a black ACAB transbian Miku to own all the bigots" for one thing. >>728126
NTA but I distinctively remember a Japanese artist recently getting harassed by some spergy westerner for "only drawing white people", I wish I could recall the artist name so I could find the screenshots.>>728322
Every time you don't
draw them aggressively ugly you'll be accused of whitewashing and adding "only white features". It's already a retarded take because anime faces are so simplistic they could represent whatever race you want them to be.
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Top, you can see how Miku still remains recognizable through changes to her color scheme, race and clothing design. for me they're all mikus.
Bottom, this drawing drives away from the features that make Miku who she is too much, plus it's fucking ugly. There's such a big difference. People who draw this ugly use woke shit to make their art relevant, it's sad.
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did anyone talk about this?
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>>728257>She handled the wendigo drama very quickly and intelligently (imo) by making that short quick video and then saying nothing else
I don't disagree considering this was the least cringy way she could take it down, but I find it stupid that she took it down or apologized at all. >>727132
The worst offender for me was her earth dragon. Horrible troll looking face. I get she puts a lot of effort in sculpting and stuff but the faceup was the main draw in her earlier videos and it still is the main draw for most doll channels.
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the pain never ends
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apparently mookie was sent to the hospital thanks to the retarded minors who somehow got through her r18 paywall
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samefag, they get triggered
when you mention the word “hospital” but couldn’t give less of a shit it was their fault someone was sent there
uhhhhhhhhh… so drawing native people is racist and fetishization now?
It's no fucking wonder Asian artists have started blocking everyone who's from the west and deleted their accounts to move to Pixiv or something. These woke fucks are cancerous beyond belief, you just know they're one of those one drop "my great great great great grandmother was half cherokee" people.
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she looks like a gopher or picrel imo. the width between her eyes and then her top lip merging with her nose? rofl
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Can I please enjoy twitter for one hour without the 5th racism in art discourse for the week?
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The deformed-looking nose in the person's art style is nothing like anyone's nose (unless you're like…actually racist and see them that way, kek). Plus, big noses aren't exactly unique to African people, and tons of Africans have "distinctly" thin noses (as in, distinct shapes, but not bigger). Very dark skin also isn't really distinct to African people (see: Dravidians, Australian aboriginal people, etc). So, that leaves 4C hair, but the drawing in >>728217
looks to have more 4A or even 3A hair. 4C hair is more tightly coiled and poofy.>mulatto featured
This sounds very weird and arbitrary. There's no such thing as "mulatto features", because that's just a term for the child of two different individuals, both of which can have any set of genetics/features from their classified black/white races (each of which have wide ranges and pools/ethnicities, contrary to American belief). It's not a distinct group. It's not like medium brown skin is a mixed-people only feature.
Also, what >>728559
said. Even if that's how that person interprets a certain subset of African people's features, they're deliberately making those features look hideous, and it wouldn't be wrong to deem that racist, even if it's "unintentional". It's just ugly. There's no excuse. There are a million ways to go about it, tons of actual African artists who paint African women to reference (like pic related), but they chose to draw…that.
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here are some of the deranged cunts attacking the hq artist, my bet is these people are aggressively projecting and will end up on a list one day (1/2)
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this person already looks like a pedo imo, greasy and disgusting
If the shoe were on the other foot, they definitely wouldn't hesitate to play victim
, and that's the funny part. They'd definitely be attacking people and calling them heartless for posting "Ok but we didn't send
you to the hospital" in response.
It's kind of autistic to give so much of a shit about angry Twitter spergs that you get hospitalized, though, I have to admit.
that art is beautiful, these morons are probably just bitter. thankfully east asian artists rarely give a single shit about screeching western idiots>>728607>It's kind of autistic to give so much of a shit about angry Twitter spergs that you get hospitalized, though, I have to admit.
having a low threshold for stress and getting spammed suicide dares and pedo accusations by thousands of schizos, it’s understandable if you snap imo.
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hey it's the same guy that got pissy over someone wearing a virtual hairstyle back in November last year lol
i feel like this can definitely be an issue, black people are often stereotyped as being aggressive (black men especially) which sucks and shouldn't be the case, but if it's part of his character, then there shouldn't be an issue with the artist, maybe with the original portrayal of the cookie lol. I know nothing about this game tho, but I do like the picture. maybe the artist just isn't really aware of the negative/racial implications but I hardly think they drew the pic with the intention of making a racially charged statement. >>728480
I hate children.
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According to cookie run ovebreak this is his description:
Purple Yam Cookie was baked in extreme temperatures again and again until the heat finally got to his head. Ever since, Purple Yam Cookie has been in an angered state (to say the least!) that's why we advise being extremely cautious around him. When the wrath kicks in, this Cookie begins to crush and smash the surroundings in a dangerous tornado of rage. And as if that wasn't enough, Purple Yam Cookie is always eager to fight someone! The Cookie claims that no one has suffered in the "flames of hell" more than him, but little does he know that - in fact - other Cookies went through the Witch's oven too…
Also hus design is based from beserker class.>>728575
But In serious note do people on twitter , think
Dark Skinned Character = Black Character . Holy hell.
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In cookie run there are other characters that are interpreted as black when drawn in human form and they are not aggressive, violent or scary looking. That cookie is afair the only one that's always angry and they're dark because they're called Yam Cookie and yams are dark (purple). In the game most of the "legendary cookies" (which are the most powerful ones, let's say) can be interpreted as poc
and they all have different and cute/cool personalities. So it's really not a problem.
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I meant to post that but I was too lazy, why is every big person on black artist twitter such a jackass?>>728656
this is off topic but there was a huge shitshow over milk & yam cookies’ designs in the CR fandom when they came out due to them being racist + antisemitic or whatever, it was so fucking funny lol
omg how are these people even real
I am gonna die of laughter
they're so fucking funny
i'm not even mad that they have a stupid amount of followers, i'm gonna bet that a good chunk of them are just there to watch the drama these accounts stir up
it's a whole fucking circus
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What I don't get is like, Japanese people stylize their own culture like this and the results look very cool. But if they try and do it with another culture it's wrong? Idk, this is stupid, as long as the drawing looks well done and cool and amazing there's no problem? woke people just like slam dunking on better artists because their art looks like complete shit
Do artists now have to just draw their race or white people so they don't get cancelled? the fuck
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I'm still butthurt that I saw a bunch of native people (including myself) loving the interpretations but all the loud retards and 23andme/ancestry.com natives were the only ones that the twitterfags listened to>>728842
It still does not stop certain individuals from speaking over Japanese people, unfortunately.
The people cancelling artists for making cool drawings of various cultures are just jealous that someone who isn't black is getting praise and followers for doing a good job while they're not because they're mediocre. They can't stand that, so they play the race card to tear down whoever they can. It's all about being jealous.
These people want white, white passing and asian artists to "know their place" and draw only their own cultures and features, while black artists can draw everyone however the fuck they want and you can't say a thing because then you're fucking racist.>>728628
I doubt you were at mookie's level and that you were accused of pedophilia and just doubled down or ignored them. False pedophilia accusations can ruin someone's life.
It's been a while, so I don't remember all of the details.
I believe this photo was taken in the The Boston Museum of Fine Arts in 2015(?), they were displaying kimonos and Japanese(Japanese-related?) paintings. Some people (including asian americans) showed up to "protest" against the cultural appropriation and fetishization of asian culture. Several japanese people showed up too to counter-protest and it obviously resulted in arguments, and that's the context of the photo.
the hq artist has a romanticization of hospitals and mental health though, a munchie possibly
if you go through her old tweets she brags about not taking her meds, take pictures of her iv drips, and not listening to her therapists.
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Not sure if she really belongs in this thread but I’ve seen her mentioned here once or twice, but does anyone know what happened to her partner? I thought she was engaged.
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this post will probably be the best context for you, I remembered reading it and dug it up. I don't think she's said much else
no but she pulls the hospital shit a lot and lives for this kind of drama.
iirc for every fandom she draws characters terminally ill at least once
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okay so now im just confused about the mikusonamonday hashtag
I don't want to be mean or victim
blaming but I'm starting to think that these artists who always get these massive overblown shitstorms are often weird themselves? In this case the artist seems overdramatic although I can see how being attacked by a mob on twitter must be stressful.
Like I know so many artists with big followings who interact with their followers a lot and are nice and they do completely fine without any backlash. Maybe that's partly because of fandom/twitter culture though, it attracts weird and too young people
Thanks anon! Reading this makes me feel like I probably read this at some point, but then completely forgot about it lol.>>728891
I really did like her in the beginning, but I started seeing the same things after a while. I remember at one point she said she was going to keep non-business tweets off that twitter, but then continued to post as normal, and then after she made a personal she finally did stop tweeting personal things. Too bad I don't care about a lot of the stuff she sells now. Her citrus berets will always be my favorite, and I'm happy to have snagged a lemon one back when they were just ~$30, but a lot of the stuff she sells now just looks so tacky to me (especially the cardigans). Not really a fan of super busy prints, but to each their own.
I can't find it through twitter search now because of the call out posts, but there were tweets where mookie would talk to antis even if they didn't tag her. It seems likely she searches her name constantly to see what people are saying.
of course I don't think she's a pedo and deserves a teenage hate mob.
"how dare you make me think about the consequences of my actions. im triggered
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This one fan of hers still hasn't overcome Javi yet.
Lmaoing at him thinking Javi should do anything for that girl
Ye dude defenitely shoulda bother taking time out of her day to go defend one of the people that were shitting and starting drama on her just days ago.
Don't expect the hand you just bit to be feeding you bud. Good riddance to her
Either way it's actually a bit funny to me, I think Javi drama is sorta on the way to be dead now, simply because those people lost interest and went on to the black Mikus and then to retweeting every "is black history month I'm black gimme money" tweet. You only occasionally find these tweets saying Javi should be speaking up for whatever they want her to now, like this weirdo.
Jays notorious in the cookie run and splatoon fandom because they would edit fanart to darken skintones on tumblr. No surprise that theyre dating diversity "woc
this confuses me so much because hq characters had entire arcs after a timeskip. does this mean sexualizing anyone is wrong because they were once a teen in canon? i get being slightly uncomfortable if you were around a character like hinata's age while the story was pre-timeskip and grew up with that character while he was still younger, but just mute the account.
nothing wrong being done there
People freaked out because the character was in his senior year in high school being fucked by a college freshman while saying “you love this highschool bussy” or some shit lmao
This is normal banter in porn but why would you do this shit when the majority of HQ fans are batshit SJW teens? I feel bad for no one in this situation lol
I mean that's fair to me? Afaik, tattoo copying and art theft is common in the tattoo industry. I don't see an issue with the og artists wanting to still be paid for their original work before it gets ripped off. Even if they say "Please don't copy my work/tattoos", someone will still probably copy it, so might as well make some money.>>729059
They were both 18 (or 18 and 19) and the dialogue was something like >"Haha your such a pervert for fucking a highschool student">"Would you stop saying that, we're the same age!"
Ngl, I thought it was weird. I imagine the people who masturbate to it like to self-insert in the art, so who in their right mind thinks it's sexy to hear anime characters talk about how they are in highschool. Again, I imagine it's a self-insert kind of thing and I personally would feel grossed out if my partner said something like that even if we were both the same age lmao. It looked like some kind of weird "Hey this character is in highschool, but they are barely legal so it's technically ok to jackoff to this!" thing, imo. It's not the artists fault a bunch of kids who shouldn't have been looking at that in the first place saw it though.
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Samefag, here's the actual photo. I don't think it was actually ever shared in these threads, sorry if it was though.
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>>729065> It's not the artists fault a bunch of kids who shouldn't have been looking at that in the first place saw it though.
Right, this is true for everything else besides shonen anime fandoms. The artist and their friends have dealt with antis like this before, they should have known what kind of shit this invites. I’m surprised pic related, which has been punlicnfor YEARS, hasn’t been used
Idc because these are fucking cartoons
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saw this thumbnail on youtube and i cant make heads or tails as to what is which character's body part
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prayer circle right now lc lets go. May she find her pen asap and produce much art
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Acatcie feckin kills me
jay and their posse are absolutely fucking retarded
they're been at it for days begging javi's "supporters" to defend black artists but all of those artists and their bootlickers are blocking said supporters
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No that's reasonable, I guess it's the csp ex version I'm waiting to go on sale if it does.
I can forgive the weird colouring cuz you can't really get the colouring perfectly right with pens, and I can forgive the colour bleeding cuz she's probably not very experienced, but it just looks so bad to me. There's so many intersecting lines, you can barely tell the difference between her thumb and her pinky, and when you compare it to the tablet version this one looks way more "brutish" to the point I'm not even sure she did a sketch before the lineart.
It's basically what >>729243
said except I'm less understanding because I simply cannot relate to "traditional art is literally like the 12 tasks of Hercules" art memes, so everytime I see artists act like that I seethe (probably more than I should)
Also what >>729250
said (why would a marker company ask for a sponsor of a digital artist anyway tho?).
Note: that image is actually not the best comparison, because the tablet version is her old style. I have no idea why she insists on using the old style for this type of comparisons when it's just two completely different things and automatically makes it look like the tablet is way better and whatever else way worse.
EX is better for comics/manga but it demands a lot more from your computer's processor.
PRO can do the job just fine if your aim is regular illustrations though, and it's not as heavy as EX is.
This is as it should be.>>729091>>729090
They've been releasing more tutorials from what I guess who you could call 'non-threatening' artists like this. I think they only do it to throw a bone and not alienate newbies and beginners who gravitate towards artists like this. Fortunately, for every ugly thing like this, they have more useful tools and videos that make up for it.>>729093>>729097>>729102
Holy shit, that actually worked. You guys are amazing.
Definitely get the cintiq if you feel you're having difficulties with a non-display.
For a long time I thought I was just shitty at art but then I switched from non-display to display and drawing digitally became heaps easier.
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Am I just being dumb or are there like 5 or 6 people with this almost exact style (all hispanic).
I don't really care about it being generic or copying or whatever but it makes feel like a crazymman when I look at two different artists and it's so hard for me to tell whether they are the same person or not
tbh Samsung and Apple's efforts cash in on the drawing tablet market are so fucking toxic
and they've basically tricked every newbie (and even veteran) artists into thinking the best way to go forward with your art is to switch to an iPad or Samsung tablet when those devices are only the better choice if you don't have a good laptop/pc to use your drawing tablet and run your art programs on
and even then you STILL have to make a big investment to get a decent iPad/Samsung tablet that can perform as well as a bare minimum laptop/pc with brands as big as Wacom
tldr; don't force yourself to buy shit out of your budget, these days it's more affordable than ever to dive into digital art with non-screen display tablets fetching for as low as $100
mine is a Huion Kamvas 16in that I got for $500, it has express keys and comes with a stand so it's great if you wanna move on from non-screen display tablets but don't wanna get the big screen displays just yet
P.S. the 12.5in version of this is also great!
I've been researching a lot too. Cintiqs having the desk arm attachment pretty much sold me on getting one. Almost halfway there in savings too.
I'm the bent ipad anon from the last thread and to give an update I actually gave it to my mom and she can't even tell it's bent, I'm just autistic.
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So unloved came back and it seems their bait worked judging by the number of dumbass support comments
can attest to how sturdy and well built wacoms are, my graphire tablet from 2005 is still working. i am thinking of upgrading my 12in cintiq because the screen is much darker than my monitor as screens are all HD now, and it's starting to get annoying color correcting. It's still working fine 11 years without any problems, I wonder if these other screen tablets will last a decade so i'm hesitant to try anything other than wacom>>729679
agree with ipad/samsung tablets. it's good for hobby artists but i have no clue why a professional artist would limit themselves with one, these tablets aren't exactly cheap either. they end up being very expensive sketchbooks to the people i know who have one
True… these tablets are a nice to have when you want a new shiny thing and to be able to draw digitally on the go. I'm a professional illustrator and character designer and I like to sketch up drafts on my iPad that I can move to PS later. It cannot replace a wacom + PC combo though, it's just a fun luxury for me. Even the largest iPad screen is small, the software options are limited and while procreate is a snappy program with a nice UI it's overrated imo.
I think it's just trendy right now, just like everyone thought you NEEDED 200 copic markers to be a good artist now they think all they "need" is to buy a super expensive tablet. It's a way for these companies to make a lot of money and for mediocre artists to make excuses why their huion tablet is what's holding them back from improving.
This is tangenial to the screen tablet topic, but don't knock out 2-in-1 laptops if you need both a drawing device and app flexiblity. /ic/ will out right say to avoid Microsoft because of their N-Trig/MPP tech, but I love my Surface Pro 7; this may be because it's a newer model, but unless lineart is your absolute lifeblood, it should be fine. I paint, so I never notice line wobble or palm rejection issues.
The Samsung Galaxy Flex has Wacom technology, but the price is seriously inflated compared to both mobile screen tablets and it's 2-in-1 competitors in terms of specs. Also, you'll want a seperate compatible Wacom pen because the one it comes with is dingy.
HP offer several good options. The XP Spectre X360 also has MPP but in videos it again should be fine unless you work slowly or do a lot of lineart. It's the option if you want to game aswell, as older games like Overwatch will run if you're willing to play on a 13.5" or 15" screen. It's a flex tablet, not a true 2-in-1 so you'll have to consider your comfort with the keyboard and bevels. Avoid the OLED if you can.
In conclusion: Drawing laptops are viable if you A) can afford it and B) benefit from a single device. I don't recommend them unless you need desktop OS exclusive stuff; I needed Adobe After Effects for uni now the edit suites are closed and could afford to upgrade my art setup at the same time. The cheapest MS Surface Pro 7 I found was £1300 brand new but I got it second hand for around £1000 with pen and keyboard as seperate costs. It's near identical to the Pro 6, so unless you have to garentee power like I did, that's another cost to consider.
I recommend MobileTechReview. Great channel where they show the painting capiblities better than some.
tl;dr: Drawing laptops are good now, but expensive, judy don't ignore them if you really need desktop app. Also, ignore my spelling. /ic/ are crabs.
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why does she draw herself like thishttps://twitter.com/SecretNarc
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op here, she recently retweeted someone animating a cumshot on her persona
Fuck people judging you, it’s literally the stupidest thing to shit on artists for asking anything close to a living wage or even minimum wage.
It probably takes you a fair bit of time to do a realistic portrait and tbere a tbe huge headache of dealing with the client so even at a starting price I’d say go no lower than 150- and that’s ONLY because you’re inexperienced with commissions, you should keep raising it after each commission until you’re at a comfortable fair level, it has nothing to do with your follower count. Go by experience and skill level.
Charge what you want to earn. That's all that matters. If you charge, say, 100$ and you get only 1/3rd as many commissions as you would at 30$, you've still made more money - and spent less time doing commissions. That's a win/win. Don't get fooled by people who are doing nonstop commissions for like 5$ that they claim are "for rent." Those people dont make enough to live on, they are just selling an image of themselves as someone who is more of a "real artist" and better than wageslaves working at a day job. If anything, they're constantly broke and ruining their chances at a career in art by giving themselves debilitating repetitive strain injuries by 24.
Don't listen to anyone who says people need to be willing to start with low prices or makes any "big/small" arguments, because most of those people are either just upset that they were conned into that same mistake and push others into it, or they're jealous that they can't earn enough money to support themselves via art.
If she spent as much time drawing as she does throwing shitfits on Twitter, she'd be Rembrandt by now.>>730397
I won't believe that until I see a face pic. We're not being puritanical you tard, we're saying it's odd that a supposed woman would be so terrible at drawing vaginas.
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You do know there are thousands upon thousands of resources out there for reference…right?
By this logic, it means single men shouldn't be able to draw vaginas at all because they don't have one.
Porn videos, nude models??????? Are you daft????
all anon is saying is that not every woman is good at drawing a vagina. just because you have a part doesn't mean you'll be good at drawing it even with all the references in the world. plenty of people have eyes but can't draw an eye properly.
they can't draw good vaginas. it's not that deep that you have to question whether they're a pickme or tranny.
Unf I need this in my life. Please do anon.
I went to my liberal arts college to be a commercial artist but it was really centralized around gallery and contemporary artistry. I probably have some stories to share.
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This artist really gets on my nerves. The screenshot on the right was when she replied to a criticism on the zodiac sign acatcie post. On her 2020 vs 2021 one she eat up all the praises on her "improvement" and gives a cold shoulder to those who like the 2020 one
Lmao I got this suggested on IG too and with 80% of these improvement posts I'm just like… What's the point of posting this? Are these people genuinely this proud of their "improvement" and are all of their followers genuinely impressed or just sucking up to them?
Granted I think it's dumb to go to that post and comment something negative when the person is proud of it. But I guess they kind of asked although it's obviously just an engagement grab and they just want praise
Also idk who this person is but I'm assuming they are pretty young still with a large following, just like acatcie and many other aesthetic ig famous artists. To me it seems like getting all that ig fame when you are still young and should be in a learning and experimenting phase really stunts any improvement. They find one thing that gets many likes on ig and start drawing nothing but that thing. They probably have much more potential than that.
Honestly since my online following grew I'm also struggling with this. I know that likes don't really matter in the end but it feels like ig followers want to see exactly the same thing from you all the time and with a large following it's almost like you are disappointing so many people when you try something different. It's dumb tbh, unless you can make a lot of money off it ig fame isn't worth it
Indonesianfag here, from my experience on twitter, dramas do exist mainly on a fess twitter,"zonakaryaid". Where the most case i remember is when an anon complained (not the exact sentence):"Have you ever seen an artwork consisting of only lines that got much appreciation/likes? It really upsets me that i spent many hours drawing yet nobody appreciates it! Isn't it upsetting?" Of course, it baited lots of angry replies from the indo art community. Not only once, the anon continued their fess,"Why y'all so offended/angry?" Followed by the last,"Thanks to your anger, I hate drawing bc of my anxiety" before getting blocked by the admin.
Tbh, most indo artists have amateur-ish artstyle (wonky anatomy, poor grasp of coloring+rendering) but they often do kpop fanarts, cute but mainstream doodles that made them "popular". A big hit or miss i'd say
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This girl is in the same circle as loved111333/tajmerk/teachlko who starts drama every week. Does anyone know what this is a reference to?
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Same anon as before. Nvm, turns out succulentbud/jay/ destinytomoons fakeboi gf was sending people to attack some teenager
Yup it's better to have little chit chats now and then than trying to make a connection right away, the current twitter climate isnt really good so most artist are going to be wary >>730866
Yikes, they really don't stop…
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Some lesbian kid sub tweeted ivy/orquidiart and jay decided to start harassing them. Of course no one is apologizing to them
Why do these people always link cashapps and venmos and whatever on their tweets? Especially in situations like these?
Do they really think money solves everything?
>"whoops i fucked up and almost ruined someones life anyway give them money"
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found this while searching, no self awareness from that group at all
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Javi draws is still locked but someone leaked her apology herehttps://twitter.com/Upk1Y/status/1357715352029904897?s=19
I was just gonna post a link to the apology lol.
She deadass wrote an entire essay and it's still "not enough" good god.
Oh wow I think i'd lose it if my graduation work was damaged. crazy stuff.
I think most insane thing that happened during my artistic education was one of the colleagues who anonymously bullied some girl online to turn it into an art project at the end of the semester. A bit unhinged.
not really art related
This happened to my friend who went to art school, but she and another girl in the major liked the same guy. In response to this, the girl bullied my friend and often accused my friend of plagiarizing art for years until an upperclassman found out and told everyone in the major about it.
My friend is working on studio positions now, but the original girl still has no gigs. I think its wild how she blew up her career over some boy.
I think she shouldn't had done this. Those people were already starting to forget about it (because they have the attention span of a baby looking a jiggling keys) and it was very obvious at this point they aren't going to accept anything. She already had apologysed and it didn't work before.
Only explanation I can find is if this was actually only targeted at the people that followed her but then someone leaked. I can actually understand making this for any followers that are still worried but actually want to give her a chance, but even then I think I would had given it just some more days.
>I fully acknowledge that I was not aware of 2000s fashion roots and that it was pioneered by Black women before being gentrified. I was also not aware that it is currently in the process of being reclaimed by Black women. But that is no excuse. I understand that it is very common for trends pioneered by Black women to receive backlash until they are gentrified by white women, and I’m genuinely sorry about the ignorance of this remark and that I contributed to that pain and erasure. I have since taken the time to research it, and will be more careful in the future tweeting about topics I’m not fully knowledgeable about.
Jesus this sounds like she wrote it at gun point. I think we gotta call a SWAT/BOPE/something team to check if she's ok lmao
Why is almost everything in pink?
Also the character designs are still utter crap.I literally thought the pink demoness was related to the imps,even though she's supposed to be a succubus she still looks like an imp with extra details.this is trying so hard to be humourous that it's not only painfully unamusing but banal as well.how is everybody eating this shit up?it's just Drawn Together + South Park except it's worst and forgettable.
I wish i had good art school drama but for the most part all I have are memories of classmates who bordered on cryptids/ personal lolcows (and with the way i was constantly running late/ procrastinating/ bullshitting critiques i bet i was someone else's personal cow tbf) all the juicy stuff seemed to happen at the more respected art schools my friends from hs ended up going to
although there was some mystery vulture student that would constantly find a way to steal random art supplies like turp, brushes, other students' blank canvases, one time my life drawing board i used to hold newsprint went missing and those aren't cheap so i was pretty annoyed. never found out who it was or whether it was just one person doing it
One I affectionately call Hagrid. She was nice and cool but pretty flaky and kind of dirty judging by the smell. Once I babysat her pets and she had left a large shit covered dildo stuck to the side of her bathtub. Another time Hagrid hugged my housemate and left a patch of sweat on her top, which left a stubborn BO smell. Apart from her personal hygiene issues, Hagrid was unfortunate looking and quite overweight. Fortunately, this had zero effect on her confidence, however. She would slack off all semester, then whip out some rushed photos of herself naked because something something Laura Mulvey something, every time. We came to expect this of Hagrid, and were unsurprised when she hadn't shown up with work during our graduation show installation. On the last day she strode in with several rolls under her arms and some wallpaper paste. She installed some billboard sized photographs of herself starkers with a Brazilian (surprising and strangely hilarious), bare fanny on our seminar room seats, with what initially looked like red lines criss-crossing around the picture. On closer inspection, it turned out Hagrid had pierced holes in her body, left the canula in and threaded red wool through the holes - then attached them to hooks etc. in the roof. All hell broke loose: the technicians started shitting themselves about health and safety, students started yelling about how gross it was that they had been unknowingly sat on chairs that Hagrid had rubbed her fetid genitals all over. The lecturers started scrambling to find some sort of curtain to seal off the room she was exhibiting in because of how explicit these pictures were and there were families coming for the opening night. Hilarious. Hagrid gave not one shit.
Yeah, she really is a character. After graduation we kept in touch and she told me that she was going to open up her relationship of ten years. I said "Oh cool, did you or Mr. Hagrid suggest that?" (Mr. Hagrid was off-putting in his own way but was at least charismatic and quite kind)
She said it was her idea, that she was too good looking to stay with one man, that she was a very sexual woman, that they had had conversations about taking turns using their bed etc. In a double feature, she came out as pan and asked if I was interested. I politely declined and asked her to keep me posted on how she was doing. I felt really bad for Mr. Hagrid, because he was a nice guy and if anything, Hagrid was the one punching above her weight.
Fast forward a few weeks, we meet up again. Hagrid is deflated. She tells me that she hasn't managed to hook up with anybody, despite her best efforts. Mr. Hagrid, however, had been an unexpected hit with the ladies and was bringing new women home every weekend. This had very clearly not worked out the way Hagrid had envisioned.
I heard they broke up shortly after, living in the same house together, but Mr. Hagrid had taken the master bedroom and become part of a polycule. Hagrid was living in the computer room, and I felt quite sorry for her. She has been trying hard since to bag a man but has extremely high standards and doesn't understand why they're not interested in her.
This also happened on my campus?
Is your college in Pennsylvania?
I can’t remember the nature of it if it was slashing or if someone painted all over other peoples paintings and stole a bunch of paintbrushes which are expensive af
Someone at my school put live beta fish or gold fish (can’t remember) into condoms and pinned them to the gallery wall as part of their deep
gallery show. A bunch of students were pissed and reported them within a day or two of it being up. I don’t give a shit about fish to watching them swim around in condom lube was pretty sad..
I used to study at a design + art only college (recentry transfered to a much better one bc of multiple reasons) and on my 4th or so semester there our class was divided in groups for a graded project in which each group had to create a brand complete with a website, service and a brandbook.
One of the groups had a girl that was actually from 6th semester in it (i'm p sure she failed the class) and they made a vegan fashion brand thing and their work was pretty complete, plus it was a teacher favourite as well to the point some of my classmates even got a bit annoyed.
Well, on the night BEFORE our groups' final presentation, turns out that the 6th semester girl stole her group's entire project and used it for one of her assignments, claiming it was her own. It was found out because one of our teachers was also grading that other class and recognized the project.
Needless to say, the girl got a 0 on both projects and i'm preeeetty sure she left shortly after.
Do you have pics of the art piece? I’m having trouble understanding what the red lines were. We’re they blood or the yarn?
More importantly, what was her c o n c e p t or her explanation for the piece? We always had to have some BS like concept or something when I went to art school
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Okay this is a little too personal al but I need to get it off my chest because I’ve never said it:
There was a girl in my school who was a little too interested in me because I was a teen mom (as a teenager, not in school).and treated me like I was poverty porn. it got to the point that the semester after I left she painted this picture of herself on the toilet having an unplanned pregnancy (taking the test).
I tried not to talk about the fact that I was a mom very much or at all unless I got to know someone as my friend, and it’s always surprised people because I don’t look the type. I didn’t want to talk about it because I know going to art school in hopes of doing it as a profession is controversial enough, and I hated now once people found out it was the only thing they could think of me as.
Thanks to a mutual extremely gossipy extremely catty gay friend of ours she found out. She immediately typed me as a pathetic poor loser and tried to have a sentimental one on one talk with me about all the trials and tribulations about being a parent when she caught me alone one night in the studio (though she wasn’t a parent herself). She made a grand assumption that it took me forever to get through college and when I was graduating she said “don’t feel bad, our teacher took 8 years to graduate!” To which I replied “I’ve only taken one extra semester, it’s only taking me 4 1/2”.
During my final semester in college I was having a terrible time for personal reasons. I was doing extremely well the year before, and a lot of people took notice and I think some of my teachers and peers thought I would succeed, but it came crashing down that final semester and that’s when she became really obsessed and mean. She would talk behind my back and imply that is was really loose/slutty and lazy to my closest friend, and god knows what she said to my teachers because after that my favorite teacher started talking to me differently too, which totally crushed my confidence.
I think she was obsessed with me because neither of us fit in, but for opposite reasons. We went to a contemporary art college in a university, but I wanted to be an illustrator and she wanted to be an art teacher, and both things were stigmatized for different reasons in our school. She was a real tradthot, a Republican when trump was getting elected and felt out of place and shat on by our liberal peers. She didn’t want to do anything but get married and have kids, I wish she would have just fucking quit and done so. All she ever talked about was how she was buying a house and getting married. She came from money.
Following up with her after I graduated:: that’s when she painted this fucking picture of herself, when we all know she never had an unplanned pregnancy. She followed it up with another pic of her and her redneck boyfriend trying to “figure out the bills”, which was retarded because her fiances starting salary was 60k a year. She was always fantasizing about being poor and struggling and literally 75% of her paintings were self portraits in situations like these.
The icing on the cake was that she went to art school first to be an art teacher, but changed her mind to be a gallery artist because everyone thought Art Ed was for people who suck at art. About a year after she graduated with her changed Studio Art degree she went back for Art Ed because lo and behold: she really did suck.
Cropping this and taking a screenshot so as not to dox this girl, but she is my personal Lolcow, though I’m sure I was a cow to her.
Anon: I don't think you're a cow. Having a kid at a young age doesn't make you a cow. Things happen and you were only a teen so there's nothing to blame you on. I hope you and your kid are happy and safe.
With that out of the way though…
>treated me like I was poverty porn. it got to the point that the semester after I left she painted this picture of herself on the toilet having an unplanned pregnancy (taking the test).
Hoooooly shit. fuck. Fuck her, this is legiiiiit fucking disgusting. Like, this is narcissist behaivor. Making everything about herself, being so self centered and victimizing herself over your situation. God you have no idea how disgusted at this bitch I am right now. Ughhh.
>Thanks to a mutual extremely gossipy extremely catty gay friend of ours she found out.
God, of fucking course, faggots like this are the fucking worst. You might think "oh let's excuse them because they're gay" but scrotes are still scrotes. I'm not homophobic, I just hate this kind of faggots that think they're hot shit and talk about girls and their personal issues like they're nothing. Fuck them.
>She immediately typed me as a pathetic poor loser and tried to have a sentimental one on one talk with me about all the trials and tribulations about being a parent when she caught me alone one night in the studio (though she wasn’t a parent herself).
Holy fuck. Imagine thinking you have the last say in someone's situation when she DOESN'T know. Shit. I feel so fucking angry because you aren't a pathetic loser. This condencending shit is the worst, like… imagine being so invested in your life. This ties in with making the painting too. The fuck? I'm angry.
SHE IS the pathetic loser. She used you to feel better about herself and use your life for personal masturbatory purposes. God, what the fuck.
> She would talk behind my back and imply that is was really loose/slutty
What the fuck. So she knew you were normal and succesful and in order to make herself feel better she did this to you. UGH jesus christ. I feel so fucking angry anon. I want to slap her super hard. Imagine thinking having a baby turns you into a slut. God… brainrot.
>She was always fantasizing about being poor and struggling and literally 75% of her paintings were self portraits in situations like these.
What the actual fuuuuuuck.
>she really did suck.
I hope she rots. Do you do art anon? I'm an illustrator myself.
Sorry anon, unfortunately we dont live in the Us.>>731708
Nah, it was not missing nor better than the rest iirc. The 5th painting was pretty damanged too but it was salvagable, so far there was no definite answer to this but its a little sus when they can slash through thick and i mean THICK layers of paint+canvases with out making too much sound.
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>6 months later and Shunao's words are still insincere and drawn out towards people who know she doesn't actually talk like this.
Also does anyone here have more red lines of her art? I find those interesting.
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Thanks for being so supportive anons, its been really hard for me to talk about this. It kind of feels like being gaslit because I don't exactly have that much proof and its a pretty weird situation.
I wanted to show the other picture I mentioned of her and her fiance "figuring out the bills" or whatever, apparently both of these paintings were called "It Takes Two" which really pisses me off because its some kind of direct allusion to the types of things people would say to me when I was pregnant.
The picture of her on the toilet was what she considered her magnum opus, its the only picture on her website landing and the one in the front of the gallery, along with being the painting she and all of her family took her graduation photos in front of. Its sick to me to see these upper middle class people go to her gallery show and see images like these and not question her or her motives of why she would be fantasizing about such a thing. They'd never do that because all they ever do is talk about how perfect she is. >also just for fun had to include that super cringey portrait of her and her mother at her wedding kek
I think she was very obsessed because she wanted to be shallow friends with everyone, but not to really build true friendships. This genuinely confused me because when she reached out to me I thought she was being nice but she was really just being nosy and trying to get some kind of affirmation that I, a lowly working class citizen, could even like her. At first I tried to be nice but after that confrontation she tried to have with me and with the stress I was having I stopped humoring her. I couldn't figure out how to make time for my painting class, so my canvases were often really unfinished, she came up to me one day and said "Hey anon! Do you want some advice on how to paint?" and I just replied "Noooo" and she looked pretty scorned.
This morning I realized that this might be tinfoiling, because apparently her Marine cousin is stationed in Japan, but one other thing she did that was bizarre was to have her Artist's Residency in rural Japan. You could have your artists residency almost anywhere, no ones saying you have to leave the country or even your state and out of the entire globe she picks Japan. I can't help but think this is some kind of reach to be friends, to be thought of as cool by her peers, or -whats most likely in my mind- some kind of spiteful ownership of Japanese culture. I say this because we went to school with a lot of people who were weebs or just generally liked anime, and she didn't exactly see eye to eye or understand their fixation on it. One of my best friends, the one who told me about what she said behind my back, cut her off and basically confronted her about being a bitch, he happened to be a huge weeb so I can't help but think this is some personal stab or reach at him. I can see her acting like she's some kind of cultured goddess now, and that weebs are just perverse cultural appropriators (she thought my friend was sick and perverted because he had a crush on her best friend), when if you search through her facebook you just see her family talking about the weird food they had (because ho ho they got to go visit too) and her getting mcdonalds after going to a "sushi conveyor belt restaurant" because she didn't like anything there.
This was only a year after she got to go to Italy on her mom's dime. While I was in school with her she was like "the class president" or whatever you call it in art school, and she tried to organize a class trip to Italy. Of course no one signed up and she basically threw herself a pity party so her mom took her herself. >>731474>I hope you and your kid are happy and safe.>I hope she rots. Do you do art anon? I'm an illustrator myself.
Thank you for the well wishes, we are good. I have been keeping up with the illustration stuff. I get most of my jobs through Upwork and am up to over 100 contracts for it on there, but, its all really small potatoes stuff for now. At times freelancing has felt catastrophically challenging, and at others its been a godsend. I wanted to be a freelance illustrator because I wanted to spend as much time as possible with my kid and wouldn't need a babysitter, and because drawing was something I could learn and practice anywhere at anytime, I had been working at it for years by that point. And to do it professionally all I needed was a screen tablet and photoshop.
>I'm an illustrator myself
I'm genuinely thrilled and surprised that there are so many artists on here. I actually feel real solidarity with you guys that I couldn't find on the art board on 4chan. I almost never get to talk to anyone pursuing illustration, even though I went to art school honestly most people gave it up.
Okay, I haven't even started reading yet and I can tell her art is fucking disgusting lol. God I want to smack her, she doesn't even paint that good to begin with, I've seen classmates better than her in my own middle of the nowhere art school, her scrote is also fucking ugly lol
GOD I hate her, why the fuck did she do this to you. Just using you as misery porn, what the hell. You don't deserve that. You're not misery porn for having a baby what the fuck. She's such a disgusting self centered narc I ughhh can someone please smack her? Ok im gonna read now.
>>732002> It kind of feels like being gaslit because I don't exactly have that much proof and its a pretty weird situation.
Don't worry, we believe you and the art pieces are proof enough. I wonder if you can do anything about this. Like, is there a way to get revenge or whatever?
>really pisses me off because its some kind of direct allusion to the types of things people would say to me when I was pregnant.
Dude of course. God, those comments are so uncalled for, I'm sorry.
>The picture of her on the toilet was what she considered her magnum opus, its the only picture on her website landing and the one in the front of the gallery, along with being the painting she and all of her family took her graduation photos in front of.
Dude what the actual fuck lol
>Its sick to me to see these upper middle class people go to her gallery show and see images like these and not question her or her motives of why she would be fantasizing about such a thing. They'd never do that because all they ever do is talk about how perfect she is.
ugh I hate her so much god this is so painful and cringe, she's like a comical teen movie villian irl
also kek at that wedding portrait
>This genuinely confused me because when she reached out to me I thought she was being nice but she was really just being nosy and trying to get some kind of affirmation that I, a lowly working class citizen, could even like her.
my god what the fuck. I have no words. I hope she falls into a manhole or something.
> some kind of spiteful ownership of Japanese culture. I say this because we went to school with a lot of people who were weebs or just generally liked anime, and she didn't exactly see eye to eye or understand their fixation on it.
Duuudeeee, what the fuck this seems pausible! like, she wants to prove everyone that she's the best. Typical narc behaivor>I can see her acting like she's some kind of cultured goddess now, and that weebs are just perverse cultural appropriators
this gives me new insight on the people who act like this kek
>Thank you for the well wishes, we are good. I have been keeping up with the illustration stuff. I get most of my jobs through Upwork and am up to over 100 contracts for it on there, but, its all really small potatoes stuff for now. At times freelancing has felt catastrophically challenging, and at others its been a godsend. I wanted to be a freelance illustrator because I wanted to spend as much time as possible with my kid and wouldn't need a babysitter, and because drawing was something I could learn and practice anywhere at anytime, I had been working at it for years by that point. And to do it professionally all I needed was a screen tablet and photoshop.
I'm happy to see you and your kid doing well!!!
I'm illustrator anon and I hope you the best. I'll search up Upwork, thanks for mentioning it cause I need a job lol. I've been thinking of going freelance. Thanks for everything nonny
I'll send prayers to your side.
I don't think it's stealing at all. If you get the outfits from an insta page, maybe you can ask whoever you're copying the outfit from if you can draw it? Or just tag them for outfit credit/inspo if you post the drawing.>I'm not very experienced in watching for the line between inspiration and copying
The difference is: Inspiration is when you have an overall different design but still take some elements from the original outfit. Copying is when you draw the outfit with no noticeable changes in the design. I hope that makes sense lmao
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the OBSESSION lmao
> Sorry to my Black friends and followers, I don't mean to keep bringing up race-related trauma
then uhhh fucking STOP? istg they only make things worse for themselves
the fact that this is a full grown adult with an industry job probably means all she does on Twitter with her spare time is play oppression olympics and ~own~ the whites
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also can we talk abt this profile pic
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Could anyone recommend me some coloring pens?
I was looking for some of decent quality but I've spent the last three hours looking at all the many different types that I'm just overwhelmed…
I'm just looking for something good that can be used for adult coloring books and sketchbooks. How many colors do I need to begin with? 12 maybe?
My budget is somewhere around 20-50 dollars. I'd like to get pens because I'm really bad at keeping my pencils sharp.
(Sorry if this has been asked before!)
The thing with pencils is that you can easily layer them so you would get away with fewer colours.
What stuff do you want to colour in? Nature, humans, fantasy creatures? Like there are sets with limited colour palettes (like green and browns for nature) which could be better if you, say, don't need neon pink bc all you do is painting cacti (unless you want neon pink cacti).
I personally like Stabilo Pen 68. They have a good 30 piece set and also have smaller themed sets like Pastel or Narwhal (different blue shades). Keep in mind that they're felt tip pens which means they're streaky but they're also a bit water-soluble right after application so you may be able to fade them a bit with a water brush pen.
Or you look up Arteza Real Brush Pens. The 48 set has a nice variety and they seem to be around 30 dollars. There are probably a shit ton of videos on youtube about them since Arteza sponsors everyone and their cat.
Hey anon! Thank you so much for the recommendations.
You've introduced me to two new brands!
Pencils really seem cool but I want something that I can just pick and up color with. Home office is taking a toll on my concentration skills and I've realized that I concentrate better in meetings when I'm doodling (compared to mindless browsing on Reddit etc). I've had a history of losing my pencil sharpeners throughout my school career so that's one reason why I prefer pens (I've thrown away all of my basic pencils and replaced them with mechanical pencils lol).
I think I'd like to start with a variety of colors. I was looking a bit at Tombow but they're a bit more expensive so the two alternatives you've mentioned seem like a better start. I see that you mentioned them being water-soluble - is it "normal" to use water when coloring with pens? Does that mean I should always have another brush or something at hand?
Also, is the Stabilo series of better quality than the Arteza series? (since they're spending so much money on promotion).
One more thing, any recommendations for paper (I'm looking for something like a nice looking A5 sketchbook)?
Nayrt but I would like to add that it's easy to make sure you keep a wooden pencil sharpener near your pencils. Pencils don't dry out when you leave the cap off, they don't leak, they don't get muddy.
Pens are plastic and stay in the earth forever.
I actually take more inspiration from pinterest (/ocasionally google images)
I understand the definition of the words but it's more that I don't have the "feel" for it, if that makes sense. Like if I take only the pants, am I copiying the pants but taking inspiration from the outfit? Is that bad?
I'm probably over-stressing, but seeing people sometimes point out artists for directly directly referencing stock pictures makes me feel unsure if I maybe don't consider certain things stealing when they are.>>732279
I actually hadn't used many moodboards before (except twice in I think 2019 when some people made challenges with them on insta) and I think that actually sounds like good advice (I had almost forgotten moodboards were even a thing haha)
That part about building up a visual library I know it's true, it's just I spent many years drawing very generic stuff so I'm basically starting from 0, and I just don't want people to think I'm stealing if I accidentally reference something too much.
Not sure what anon ment by frankenstein portefolio tho
The one thing that stresses me on her portefolio is the detective Hank lineup, cuz half the lines don't even actually line up. Dude has an arm longer than the other
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Her more realistic work is nice, but that doesn't make up for her shit attitude.
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He (she?) is actually not a bad artist at all imo. I definitely see some flaws, but not as bad as I thought it would be. For example Pic is nice, but he gave Rico a weird neck. His character designs are boring imo. I also don't get the "Ye or Nay?" thing? I guess it's supposed to be a "black people look the same" joke (not racebait, that's an actual joke) but idk. He is good at portraits though.
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Samefag, these children's storybook-esque illustrations are charming imo. This person is actually talented, don't get what all the twitter drama is for
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PLEASE enlighten me to where this person works or anyone notable project they've had published if they're really working in the "industry". Anyone can buy a website, anon.
Just look at this screenshot I've taken, 4 different pictures, all different styles. I meant "frankenstein portfolio" because their portfolio doesn't have any real strong direction or theme without any really well fleshed out projects. Its just an amalgamation of a bunch of basic ideas, like portraits with a few actual illustrations sprinkled in when they're really supposed to be the bulk of the portfolio.
Not to mention, its not all even in the same style, some of it is colored line art, some of it is painterly (bad painterly). There's even a BUNCH of godawful super obvious fanart. That's why its called a franksentein portfolio, and its a dead give away of an amateur in the industry. Imagine how frankenstein is pieced together with with pieces of different bodies, just like their portfolio is pieced together with different art styles and genres. This person isn't experienced enough to actually have finished enough pieces (literally you only need 12) to make a full portfolio so they have to prop it up with a bunch of random garbage. Like, they literally haven't even drawn enough finished pieces they can't even meet the QUANTITY of pieces needed, regardless of quality.
They're unmarketable. They're even more unmarketable by mouthing off so much on twitter. No one wants to work with someone they're afraid they may offend and be put on blast on twitter for.
Okay, so we already know you’re clearly blind and on a resentful vendetta against some twitter nobody who’s barking at other poor artists to listen to them lmao
Fan art is extremely popular in the art community, a lot of artists love to make fan art because right now it is very “marketable” and garners people with similar niche and interests to their brand or material (if they have a social media).
No one should draw in one style because again retard-chan, that defeats the purpose. Pretty sure companies are looking for versatile and flexible artists, especially those who want to do character design or animation. The rest of your critique is valued by your own personal taste.
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Samefag, these are her character designs. It's like she took the original outfits and added one or two things to them. Like, wow, you took Catwoman's suit and cut the midsection out, and gave Poison Ivy's outfit some lace and strings. How creative. Very art.
Idk, I think this person should definitely work on being more creative in their designs. I think that's something painters usually struggle with.>>733049
Idk anon, I'm definitely not an art industry professional, but I don't think her portfolio is that
bad. I don't see why employers wouldn't like portraits of celebrities or drawing in different styles. Obviously you want to show what styles you're strongest at first and foremost (and I'm pretty sure her strongest is her painting), but people want to see what other styles you can do. And doing portraits of celebrities could show that you can accurately capture/copy a persons features. Like, it's one thing to do a portrait of a random person you saw on the street, it's another thing to do a painting of Obama.
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Lol, you're cute. I wonder if you're the artist I'm shitting on. I am an industry artist and I really hesitate on saying that because I know how many rungs on the ladder there is to climb. This person has begun the climb but is still pretty far on the bottom. Once again, I'd really love to know what work they've actually done.
I have no personal vendetta on this person, otherwise I wouldn't have been asking who they were or where they worked, I cant even tell what gender they are. I DO have a problem with people race baiting like she does and taking over an industry and a past time I've loved since I was a little kid. People like her are responsible for the total overtaking of the Western comic world and making it abhorrently full of leftist propaganda. Western comics never could catch up the creativity and variety in Eastern and now its full of a bunch of new rules about what you can and can't show, what your characters can and can't look like. And before you think Im right winged I'm not, theses people just ruin everything by shoving their politics and agendas down everyones throats until they can't stand it anymore. Pic related, I used to love this writer until she had some kind of episode and decided to channel all her hatred into her work and DC just ate it up.
And I'm sorry but you just have no idea what you're talking about.
The art community =/= the industry.
You need a wake up call. Real professionals don't spend all day on twitter, they genuinely don't have time for that shit. There's no way they could ever keep up with all this ridiculous drama and they're all too old for it anyway.
I'm sure you have some forerunners in your mind you're thinking of, like Babbs Tarr but even she is older than you think and she's been placed there purposefully, to make DC seem young and relatable. She represents about .01% of the people who actually work for that company. She's a token along with all of these other twitter warriors.
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Samefagging for the last time, just wanted to say I know Catwoman and Poison Ivy's outfits are nothing super creative in the first place, but there's so many ways to remix them. Pic is just the results from google. They're still sexy but breathe a new life into her design.
Please skip to 38 seconds, mistake number 1.
Anon that linked the portfolio in >>733010
I didn't claim that she had actually worked an industry job, I just linked the portefolio. Only mention I've seen of said industry job were one or two anons here, wich obviously isn't an actual source. I think if she actually had had an industry job she would had obv wanted to put it in the portfolio to prove experience.
I think some anom must've misread or misunderstood something
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no offense but this looks like garbage. look at published children's book illustrators like Will Terry. this image is lacking interesting composition, has boring unappealing characters, and is painted so blandly. this looks like work from a high schooler. she's only 21 so she has plenty of years to get good, but these twitter kids have massive egos and think they're at a professional level already. they'll continue making money by playing the victim
and crying for reparations so I guess it doesn't matter if they never improve
You should read This One Sunmer. It’s so subtle and beautifully done and really should be the anthem for lolcow, it’s really a great female centered graphic novel.
I picked up her Harley Quinn novel and it was horrible. Completely ham fisted, the subtleties were all gone. Something bad to have happened to her between then and now because her entire writing style and attitude changed.
Thanks I'll look for it at my library. I read the lesbian one Laura dean keeps breaking up with me and I think the whole friend side story being brushed off and like kind of accepted was like planting a seed in teenagers minds that that type of relationship is ok. And then the main character acting like she knows hardship because her two best guy friends are Hispanic/poor while she's well to do and has nothing to worry about except laura dean. It was just really annoying, like I remember how condoning manga was/is of toxic abusive
relationships you'd think writers would have a moral obligation to try to teach kids something instead of trying to be edgy.
And then when I read the plot of Skim I started thinking it was intentional that she has these plots of young teenager getting with older person.
This One Summer might actually be at your library too, it was at mine though it’s sometimes hard to find graphic novels.
I havnt read those other two you mentioned but I’ll look out for them hoping their worth a read since they’re from her past days. I really only have read This One Summer and that wretched Harley Quinn book so I don’t have a great understanding of her.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right about the younger-older dating dynamic because in This One Summer a pretty significant part of the book is a 12 year old having a crush on probably a 16-20 year old .
>>733431>15k followers>selling merch
Hnggg I wish I was you. I gave up the social media thing before I even started it.
Why not try tumblr? I actually think it’s great for artists even if it’s “dead”. People there actually appreciate art and don’t just Go “haha cool” and scroll past it.
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I went to check and it looks like somethings going on. I have a suspicion that she was third person-ing here earlier, someone cow tipped or she’s just that much of a dramatic being that she’s constantly getting in fights. Apparently you can send her anonymous messages on twitter via this curiouscat website and I have the feeling one anon from here did https://curiouscat.qa/tajmerk/post/1181572280
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Samefag but she’s lying in that tweet. There are screenshots of that tweet floating around
lmao honestly I don't get a lot of print sales, most of what I make from my art is commissions and I got these with much less followers too… I think you need to be way bigger to get a lot of print sales but I might be wrong.
I didn't think about tumblr, I always associate that site with fanart and a specific art style, both which I don't have but I'll take a look, thank you
I also only post on insta (I'm not even at 400 followers and don't do comissions tho).
Pretty much the only options I think you have are deviantart, tumblr, waiting for artfol, or just going for foreign sites like pixiv (or even stuff like VK if you wanna be squizo).
All of those would have waaaay lower engagement tho
(I'm assuming you are not a furry and are not interested in ink bunny or furafinity)
> is it „normal“ to use water when coloring with pens
Hm, it seems that all those people who do a lot of colouring books love to do gradients. Gradients are a bit easier with water based media/ water-soluble media in my experience. (But I mainly work in water colours, soooo …)
Stabilo is more of an office supply, and they‘re produced where I live. So I like to go for them for doodling because they’re easy to buy for me and their ink is really bright and colourful.
Arteza is a relatively young brand, I think. They started sponsoring a lot of bigger and smaller youTube artist‘s, I’d say, between two to three years ago. They like to call themselves professionell art supplies but they more like a better student quality. Which means they‘re perfect for doodling because you can get a decent quality for a decent price so using them for mindless/ fun stuff/ experiments doesn‘t feel like wasting them.
Maybe this review is helpful to you: https://youtu.be/Vp2yBglNQJs
She mentions feathering and bleed through in the video which is probably because of the paper. So it can be that there‘s paper out there that can handle them better – which I sadly don‘t know because I don‘t have them, only thought of buying them myself. If this doesn‘t bother you at all, the Arteza sketchbook might fit you well, too?
Paper to recommend: Maybe Daler & Rowney Mixed Media, it‘s what I use for watercolor sketching.
Or you can use other mixed media papers like Canson XL. (I recommend Mixed Media so you can use water on it without buying specific pricey water color paper. Usual sketching doesn‘t hand water well.)
Stillman & Birn seem to be good too like the other anon said.
Tombow markers: I was curios hand have one or two too. They‘re not worth it. They‘re a bit of a hype product for handlettering because they have this big, bendable brush tip. But their ink isn‘t something special. It‘s a bit like Copics and Manga art. They are both good quality but you don‘t need them to make good art, let alone for doodling.
I post on Twitter (primarily) and Instagram (when I remember, which is rarely). I hear that tumblr is back to being a pretty decent platform again, and a lot of people suggest tiktok (though, I believe tiktok is easier to build a following and a “brand” when you show your face and can be recognizable since most people just surf their for you page).
I can barely remember to post on Instagram so thinking about branching off to a bunch of different websites seems unmanageable to me. But I have decent success on Twitter so far, and about 10k followers on Instagram which isn’t bad considering how rarely I post there.
I do decent with selling prints, commissions, and patreon. Not living like alythuh, but it pays the bills in the pandemic. Almost all of the revenue comes from Twitter, so I would suggest at least branching off to that platform. It’s not so bad if you keep out of discourse, and just basically keep your mouth shut. Good luck anon! Your art sounds good!
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here, I don't think this is really a threath, more like a tought experiment.
Basically "Oh you say it's just a drawing, but if
(hipothetically) it was your mom or sibling would you still say it's just a drawing?"
If she were quote retweeting someone it would come of as a threath (or at least it would be way passing the mark), but if she is just speaking generally then I think I can reasonably believe this is just for the sake of arguing. Obviously her having that "I must permanently act as an agressive oh so cool and cold sassy bossgirl at all times" schtick that half of her gang has just makes her sound bitchy and not very agreeable.
I don't actually know the exact context, so if this was actually targeted at someone then I can see this being in very poor taste and no good.
I do know this is related with shipping tho, and I'm not defending that angle. I assume she's comparing fictional drawn characters to real people and that part is actualy dumb
>>733054>>If any of you want to be a working artist don't be caught dead portraits of celebrities in your portfolios.
I'll only disagree with this bc people can make celebrity portraits into a career if you want to pursue editorial work.
Other than that I agree that the portfolio lacks direction and doesn't show what kind of interest they want to pursue as a career other than trying to make money off of fanart
lmao anon. Alythuh's art does not pay for her life style, her family is stupid rich. >>733431
Also, I'd say bite the bullet and make an art station, so you can start a following, while editing your portfolio over time. Or, just make your own website/blog. No need to worry about that ever shutting down unless you didnt pay the domain/hosting fee or something.
Seconding this, the portfolio still has that "immediately post-college, hasn't rubbed the shine off yet, hasn't gotten much work yet that is worth showing" vibe. Celeb portraits are a normal part of editorial work, but they're not there because "I like this person's face" they're there to show the artist can bring in the nuance for resemblance and also bring something appealing in the style that you can't get with a photo. It's ok to have a portfolio with different styles if they are all relevant to work you're good at and that people will hire for, but this isn't a portfolio that looks like that - there's a lot of stuff in there dragging it down and a lot of it looks like school projects. It's not organized well, and it looks like it's not a well-rounded, multi-skilled artist as much as it is an artist who hasn't yet figured out what they're good at or what niches they want to work in.
On twitter it's really hard to tell which of us "illustrators" are actually making a living and which are subsiding on parent's money or a job in a totally different industry, but this person doesn't come off like the sort that's making it on their own yet - if they are they haven't updated their portfolio. Established names can get away with forgetting to do that but while breaking in and establishing a relationship with clients the website should be up-to-date and full of only the strongest work. It's normal and healthy to fake it till you make it, but if this person is parading themselves around as someone who is getting SO MUCH PRO WORK and SUCH A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE INDUSTRY IS then they're even worse than they look. It's ok to take some time to figure it out especially if you're breaking in and to pretend you're doing better than you are, but the kids who just take animu commissions are going to start thinking this shit is what successful looks like.
Im one of these artists. I feel like this is only possible because I am being funded by scholarships/my parents, and that I a student. So I dont need to worry about working or have a consistent schedule as long as I can show up to exams.
Im sure this habit will die after school / I age.
a few of them are freaks, some people are super-sleepers or whatever and can do that. the rest are either still young enough they can do it or are going to hurt themselves later. whenever pros have threads talking about what they wish they knew when they were starting out a few mention how much they wish they'd known when to stop doing that shit
if your body tells you to take a break, take a break. if youre just getting distracted by non-art stuff, figure out how to switch between it better, but physical breaks and sleep are only optional when you're young
Honestly, the only cases I've seen where an artist is megaproductive the way you describe are artists who either:
1. Seem to be able to draw moderately fast (such as revolocities)
2. Most likely have a team that works for them (sakimichan)
3. Are young or not in college
Having a simpler artstyle may also help? But either way, it's not a good idea to put yourself through that work schedule. It's unhealthy as hell. It's better to take longer to put out artworks than to constantly suffer with exhaustion and hand cramps/possible carpal tunnel.
That’s stupid, your brain needs sleep to draw.
My art teacher was like this. I used to think he was amazing and genuinely he was a cool guy and a good teacher but recently I looked at his drawings and they kind of looked like squiggly dogshit.
most pro artists depending upon your field have scheduled. Animators basically have it down to an art of quick ways to draw. theres a scrote on yt who explains hands as just triangles who is a pro animator and shows tricks from the trade. He's not super good he's stylized but he's a pro and his advice is solid.
Mangakas subject themselves to nonstop hell and there are still mangaka who hand draw and hand g pen everything. Even with a team they are still working round the clock editing drawing etc. Comic artists it depends honestly.
I don't know much about other fields I've been featured in gallery for sculpture so I'm in a completely different medium than ya'll
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DisneyTVA hired this
artist? Good grief, the absolute state of Disney these days. No wonder that dragon design looked like shit if this is the caliber of artist they hire (yes I know TVA and film animation are two separate divisions, but this issue seems to span across the whole company.) Just goes to show you– skill is only 40% of what matters. The rest is all about marketing, self-promotion, and networking. Also sorry if I sound like a scrote but this woman being conventionally attractive probably helped her a little bit, too.
That said, her advice here isn't bad, although I would expand on it by saying that you should have different portfolios for different purposes, that way you can have several different styles you can specialize in while also appearing "cohesive."
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She's a background artist LMAO her character drawings are just for fun. Do some research before you embarrass yourself.
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Cranky 'cause some rando on an image board isn't impressed by your Youtube-senpai?
It's generic Instagram-level landscape painting that relies way too heavily on PS textures. Frankly, the color she used for the sky in that Tangled background is vomit-inducing. I'd be curious what she can do with traditional paint, where she doesn't have the luxury of a jillion textures and shape tools.
God, I was just trying to make a point about self-promotion. I didn't even give a shit about this woman's art, but now I want to hate it out of spite just because you guys are caping for her so hard.
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>>734430>Cranky 'cause some rando on an image board isn't impressed by your Youtube-senpai?
Do you even the read context of the original post? This mostly an autistic sperging with some random non drama artist who work has exprience in industry and give a solid advice in her youtube.>It's generic Instagram-level landscape painting that relies way too heavily on PS textures
Detected , this anon not familiar with art industry after all.
Sage-ing because it’s not worth bumping a thread but the fact that you’re a industry artist is seriously worrying.
Also industry artists have no time to spend all day on twitter but you’re still here with the rest of us, talking about art drama.
However I agree that her art, minus the realistic ones, is dogshit.
Tinfoil but this art industry anon reminds me of another art industry anon that was giving out advice and talking about twit artists in this thread >>>/ot/731198
and I believe they also appeared in another thread. If it is the same anon, I wonder why they are jumping from thread to thread to flex their art career and (lack of) knowledge,
>>734432>Detected , this anon not familiar with art industry after all.
No one in this thread is. Most of the anons here are salty art students. People with actual jobs in art have better shit to do. You're not an ~industry expert uwu~ because you watched some Youtube videos.>>734442
There are more than three people in this thread, you know. >>733078
are not the same person.
Well then the anonS
who are in here making stupid points will get called out. Again, people are allowed to respond and disagree or agree. If you get butthurt by someone disagreeing with another post then oh well. This is a discussion thread.>Also, fuck out of here with that "call-out" shit. This isn't Twitter.
Do you understand what that "called out" means? Do certain phrases not exist until twitter uses them, and then they are off limits or something?
If you look the past threads. There are a lot of autistic nitpiciking and none of thems are getting called out. I glad now some farmers are realizing and started to slap some posters here.
I'm the OP you're talking about. Idk what that anons problem is.
I'm a stupid piece of shit and you guys won this retarded argument, okay? Lets just move on for fuck's sake. Screeching at me is not going to make me like that persons artwork.
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Everytime I see this used as a background a bit of my soul dies
Yes anon exactly thank you. I miss over-the-top edgy in the mainstream so much. I loved how dramatic it was, and my inner 12 year old emo loves all the blacks and reds and chains and yes.
I think theres a slight uptick in edgy shit again, I'm hoping it'll come back to some degree
Hello, not sure if my following points have been discussed before but i need to vent. Just want to get these things out of my system. Maybe you can relate. Sorry for cussing. My Writing might be bad also. (Yes newfag, if i ever feel to vent again let me know what to improve) i warned you, doesn't make it better but yeah.
Twitter is total trash, but i love it sadly. (very general i know, just post and run. that's the best for not going insane)
I hate the fucking hate under Miles-Df's posts, it annoys me. I hate how twitter just calls everyone a pedo (if it's researched and stuff i don't mind). Do they think they get extra life points for being a broken cassette all the time? Let people make their money for fuck sake.
One person was literally like: oh yeah miles blocked me. like wtf? are you proud of harrassing artists??? Want a golden Badge now??
another thing on artists:
adoptables… oh you know. all the drama that goes with it.
theres that one artist, who still after all this years of being on the internet can't write english well. and i hate her so much. she does well money wise drawing this orca nsfw things. but girl can't write english for fucks sake. i kind of like smh, expecially when she posts on other artists threads and does just the wierdest writing errors. Sorry nitpicky, but what can i do, just letting it all out.
Same goes for stupid comments about slugbox. that dudes just tries to get by and pay bills. people don't give shit about nsfw artists anyway, they kind of have to do double the work to get seen and not be reliable of stupid fanart shit.
Fucking e-beggars. No, don't mean artists or emergency commissions with this. I mean these regular normal people, clogging up their home then asking for trandom peoples money to pay their shit to clean up wtf?? lying people, wierd stupid ones like james saroka in other forms. i fucking hate them. i hate that that shit comes up to my feed and twitter eats the tweets of people i actually follow! You know you just wanna check up on your art buddies and then bam full feed of politics stuid shit and e-beggar assholes. Apparently they also life behind the sun, cuz they don't understand that there's still a fucking pandemic and people better pay their shit then spend their money on those loosers.
Some artists crying about how shitty instagram is. kind of giving instagram the fault that they don't succeed. Just delete your account. use other sites regulary. stop the fucking whining. take your business elsewhere. easy. just try at least to be a proper artist.
Artists with small following acting like they can gatekeep their art just for patreons. treat the people that they get support from like shit. ungrateful for monetary support. then whine about everything that they can't get commissions and stuff. being ungrateful shitterz.
and my fav:
nonstop artshare posts. doesn't do shit for you. big artists whine about that their numbers don't give them money. still they destroyed the whole artshares and other movements since they still steal all the clout from the small arists. whatever they preach, the shit doesn't work out. also these wierd peeps will unfollow you anyway. stop fucking clogging your pages with this artshare shit. like sorry i wish it would work for them, but use the important time for something else please. twitter is broken. and then the honeys get upset about this i'm like sorry hun. you could just do so much better if ya would do something else.
meanwhile furries shout out who is a bad apple (fursuit makers). people still support bad apple after all, like just nothing happened. people still upset. guess you just can be an asshole without any morals huh?
oh and baylee jae drives me nuts. don't get me started on that bitch. and the only reason i get so fed up with this shit is that the pandemic just gives us so much extra time. and sometimes it's just like drama time, watching yt drama, onision drama.. you know the drill. but you know, when you just want to scroll trough twitter quick and it's just full with politics shitposts and other wierd stuff. it's a downer.
as an artist you can't really speak out of your heart what you feel. not even on your own page. people will hate you, use things against you. best is to just stay shut. twitter isn't a good site for art and i know that. but i ain't got time and love enough to go back to sites like dA and deal with the creeps daily, no thank you. The internet has many fucked up things, best is to limit the input of the stupid shit. But it really annoys me, i have some honest people followed that really work hard, have no beef. and what happens: i don't even get their tweets on my timeline.. man Thank for reading and sorry!
Yeah I'm not really a huge fan of her or anything but I think she's a nice background artist.
I do think her character drawings are super basic, but what do you expect, most people's are lol. Background artist can be a pretty niche and specialized skill, too.
You clearly don't follow this part of the industry so it's ok you don't know but those photoshop textures, the streamlined style of this, that's all very trendy right now. Check out Angela Sung and Patrick O'Keefe for an idea of what it looks like in the hands of someone who actually works that way normally - it's gotten popular in animation visdev because people want to do work that looks like what's in the portfolios of their peers and idols.
Very few people in animation are going to be as good traditionally as digitally, and that's normal. It doesn't make someone less of an artist to have specialized in the kind of work they do every day to the point where they're better at it than stuff they don't do. I'd expect she's hot garbage at 3d modeling and realistic people, too, because just like traditional painting - those aren't her fucking job.
same. Even though I myself am more interested in Hazbin Hotel over Helluva Boss, it's actually nice seeing adult media that isn't just a family guy or the simpsons knock off.
It's nice seeing adult animation, even if it is edgy, have its own style and flare. It's edgy but it's 12 year old inner emo edgy that still as an aesthetic to it rather than family guy edgy where it's a gross edgy that's there just for the sake of shock value.
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It’s possible to sleep very few hours and work all the time but it will kill you physically, emotionally.
What’s this from??
Yeah literally everything from your head to your toes will get fucked up.
Problems I’ve experienced:
The obvious ones- carpal tunnel in both hands but wasn’t extreme, sore back etc
Sciatica after a nasty week of overworking for a deadline. A pinched nerve underneath my shoulder blade from holding up my right arm which causes a river of radiating pain from that point all the way over the top of my head to my eye ball.
I don’t even draw more than 6 hours a day probably
Vaporwave can be alright.
What I meant was people that use that pattern with no alterations (ie they basically just draw their characters and then slap that pattern behind them so they can pass it as aesthetic with the minimum effort)
The artist you showed doesn't just do a white grid over one flat colour so the grid actually looks more incorporated in the composition (hopefully I'm not phrasing it retardedly).
Basically what >>734909
said. Obviously pretty much anything can look good if you know what you're doing.
I always think these memes show how little these artists actually learn. Hands are really easy to draw because you can get reference everywhere, including irl.
I personally struggle with drawing detailed hair.
Hair at least has a valid
excuse because maybe the hair you want to draw is nothing like your natural hair- or it's some crazy hairstyle that's hard to find proper refs for. Hair is highly customizeable which can make things slightly harder.
But hands? Most hands look generally the same. It's much easier to look at your own hand for ref than to get a specific selfie of your own hair which sometimes don't even match the reference you need.
are you friends with that person or why do you defend them? if you knew how they write you wouldn't say this. Where she comes from english is being thought very very early in school. And the person fucks up even the most basic english.
you don't have to spend a long time on the internet to see these problems in the art community.
also funny coming from you being on lolcow so chill.
Same for me. They're not exactly the easiest thing for me, I always need references and I need to put some
minimal effort, but I can make them look good, and man, looking at the result and actually being happy and proud with it is such a nice feeling. I can't even explain it, it just fills me with joy.
Use references anons, you wont regret it
And just to add another thing, I can't tell if it is the same people doing it, but between the most common art memes there's both "lol DAE suck at drawing hands/the other eye/anything but 3/4 view", as >>735486
said, and also "ugh my stupid boomer parents say I can't make money of of art", wich comes of a contradictory to me (imo).
I'm not agreeing with not being able to make money from art, but just sayan. Good luck making a living out nothing but mediocre cutesy character 3/4 busts.
You're better off financially doing art and having full time job in a different field.
I know someone who finally moved out at 30 being able to make money from just her art. Now she's losing followers on instagram and doesn't have as many commissions coming in anymore.
That's actually a thing that bothers me about it.
They're so caught up in being smug to people that say you can't make a living from art, and they're so busy just asserting "yes I can make a living from art, you're just a stupid dumb retard that doesn't want to show support for my dreams" that they completely forget to ever consider that art is actually not the safest job (especially not if you're planning to live from internet comissions).
I also get the feel some people are way too quick to put all their eggs in one basquet, and with no real plan B. That's why you get so many artist e-beggars.
Yup there's a reason why the term "starving artist" is thrown around.
I've noticed a lot of the artists I know don't ever want to work lol. Worked with one at a grocery store and she hardly showed up to her shifts and would e-beg online. Kek
Can you go into detail about this persons situation?
I’m not looking to shit on them, it’s just my genuine nightmare this would happen.
I’m 28 and am just barely making enough on commissions to survive and was really hoping to start making passive income from patreon eventually, but the thought of losing followers and becoming irrelevant would toss everything I would have worked for by that point.
Oh definitely. I used to romanticize the freelance life a lot because I was watching instagram stories from artists who weren't even that skilled but seemed to have so much free time and they'd just draw for a few hours every day, film some patreon stuff and be on social media. But then I realized that most of them were heavily relying on financial support from their family or spouse or they weren't doing that well after all. Of course some do, but it's not as common as I used to think.
The internet has made it easier for anyone to become a full-time artist/freelancer, but at the same time the massive amount of competition has made it much harder at the same time, especially in the above average but not super good skill range.
It's different when you are actually employed to work for a company but you would need actual skill for that and put in lots of work to get there. The kids who complain about art not being taken seriously as a career path don't want to study and practice, they want to be internet famous and draw busts of anime girls in 3/4 view every day.
Color isn't as important as value, so do a ton of greyscale before going back to color. Other things like line weight, edges and perspective can have a huge impact on your work, too.
Once you've got the values down, you can play around with colour and chances are you'll get a decent result regardless of the colors you use.
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Knew she looked familiar and it was that same bitch that creepy redneck guy Ethan Becker made a video about where she quit Disney because tl;dr has serious entitlement issues.
Why wasn’t this cut out and why did she think her followers wanted to see a flubby dumpling walking along the screen?? lmfao and then they really wonder why they can’t fit into the fucking culture of the animation industry
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I can't unsee it.
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>>735999"You think of me naked"
Dear god just stop, you are not adam driver
Their YouTube video views are remarkably low, like literally only getting 100-300 views per video at times, despite her very first viral video.
As soon as they start getting more views Vincent will become a fullblown snow cow, I guarantee it. I can smell the milk from a mile away.
>>736042>posted 21hr ago
What the fuck is up with this man?
Calm down your thirst dude, every time I see your videos I have to re-format my brain to understand that you are in fact, not a little Filipino girl
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So loved (numbers) baited all her followers and is now having people post their Kofi and beg for donations instead of posting it over discourse… I never thought I'd see someone get even lazier than twitter discourse artists but here it is folks.
If people are planning to infiltrate these discourse artists, dont forget to follow teachlko and company because theyre known to private a lot as well.
Also what happen to quitting twitter/taking a break fron twitter, shae? They only made it through 4 days before coming back.
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non-capitalized comic sans, really??
Its drawn nice but he needs to look fatter and more upside down triangle shaped, why is he drawn like a little boy??
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Lol gross these two need to really calm down.
sage for this info but because he is mentally a young child, most scrotes are
it’s miraculous that this grown ass woman has to deal with someone who acts like a shlubby dumbass younger brother archetype from a disney channel movie
>>736527>younger brother archetype from a disney channel movie
Those were the words I was looking for, yeah he's exactly like that.
I'm so thankful I got that shit bullied out of me when I was young.
He's definitely an ENFP but the kind that give all the rest that "annoying attention whore childlike idiot narc" vibe.
coming from another enfp
It's not bad. I know people are weird about it, but it's one of the better "casual" options. (Considering the talent that's come from NG, I say that lightly. I mean "casual" compared to Artstation.) The rating system actually helps keep out the worst shit by crowd curation.
Depending on the kind of work you make, I think it's a good middle ground for casuals who want to share their work and for serious creators looking for an audience. I like it because they have both robust interactive media and illustration support, both of which I make. It's also a community that doesn't put stock on spammy fast art like what people post to Twitter and IG just to keep up. You have a crowd that's already accustomed to enjoying projects that take more time to create.
The only "downside" is that it's a kind of scrotey site that has the mindset from the 00s art scene. This is still the community that gave birth to Shadman and Zone. But I think that some aspects of that might be a boon since most of the visitors there are for the art, not to witch-hunt.
Even the name is cringey. "Life After Disney Art Studio" girl it was a job, not a prison.
Also lol at her talking about the channel growing very quickly when it averages about 300 views per video.
Personality aside, I find her voice really hard to listen to. I know she can't do anything about her speech issues and don't fault her for it, but her voice is genuinely just really hard to listen to for long periods of time. I remember I once saw someone say that you can have the best camera of all times but if the audio is shitty, no one will watch your content and damn if it's not true.
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How can someone be both so ugly, and yet so openly horny.
It really makes you wonder what your favorite relateable comic or aniamtion creators are like in real life.
I also hate how its cutesy. It feels incredibly misleading, like they're some kind of wholesome caring couple when in reality their both pretty bloodthirsty.
Furthermore, I just feel like they didn't draw themselves accurately at all.
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It's like a knock off version of Yehuda Devir's work.
I fucking truly hate this one too.
Ugh, disgusting normies with their thinly veiled coomer narcissism. At least the other two are genuine socially retarded shut-ins.
I guess I can agree that not all art has to be done out of appreciation.
I feel like art is used best when its either a tool to appreciate beauty or a tool to communicate and tell a story.
These comics do literally nothing but say "look at me I'm a hottie with a body".