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Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine. And sometimes, people ask for help. Stop getting pissy about that. Vendetta-chans, twitterfags and antis need to leave. Don't feed the trolls that visit, for fucks sake. And no, talking about an art cow and calling them out out their bullshit isn't being a TERF
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I don't know if it's everybody but at least this guy comissioned him ironically
haha for the keks n giggles
I dunno american economy but if he got maybe 5 ironic comissions per month he's basically set of
How are people still commissioning him? His art is shit and ugly.
Whoever wanted that Mikasa must have had a plan or something and was trying to make him look worse lmfao
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>>746306>Thread locked within an hour
As for the milk side of things we get to see "KICK ME JASON" printed in bold. Lovely.
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what really is sending me for some reason is that he uploaded a video of the inking process like it's some magnificent work of art worth being watched as it comes to life
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There’s yet another trend happening on Twitter called “#interpvscanon”, what are your thoughts on it anons?
It's nice. I personally like seeing people's different interpretations of canon. Quality of art varies, but I think as long as your attitude is chill there's nothing wrong with it.
There are people who get very conceited about their designs being 'better' than canon and that is annoying but I haven't seen it much with this tag.
Why does this get you guys so mad? Is anime your life or something?
Idc about race bending shit but the reactions to this seem autistic and delusional too
I think it’s cool but unfortunately it’s usually centered where asian characters are “rebranded”. It comes off as erasing a minority in media with a “better” minority.
I think people misguide their hate for lack of misrepresentation created by Western Hollywood to every other media. Eastern media isn’t suppressing and purposely erasing people. Japanese companies create media to appeal to their Japanese audience, they don’t really give a shit about others.
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Not completely related to this conversation, but I feel like some anons in this thread purposefully act like all racebend art is "ugly" when there are tons of racebend drawings that look great. I don't agree with making an asian character another race, but pic rel is Jack Samurai interpretation vs canon that I thought was very aesthetically pleasing.
The racebend argument in this thread is overdone anyway. I feel like it's either this or something about tracing and the digital vs trad art argument.
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Samefag, racebent Panty and Stocking artwork that was shared a while back that I really like
it’s a light-skinned asian character being blackwashed because twitfags who typically aren’t black in the first place see POC
who aren’t dark-skinned black people as less-than. on top of that, it’s also atrociously ugly. sorry you’re upset about people being salty on a thread specifically created for that purpose!
Imo I don't completely care cuz ultimately it doesn't hurt anyone so getting as mad as the other anons is kinda spergy yeah, but I personally find it cringe.
Basically shoving yourself into a character is kinda "petty" almost, and the idea I get is they actually take racebending pretty seriously and think they're actually doing something so important and fighting society or something.
But ultimately it doesn't hurt anybody so if they're just having fun then let them (plus it's only one more week until february ends lol)
How am I being willfully obtuse by saying that not all racebend art is ugly? A lot of anons here act like all of that kind of art is bad, but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's racebend and everything to do with the artist. Like I said in my post, I don't even agree with people "erasing" other races, making black characters look like stereotypes and I definitely don't agree with making dark characters lightskinned. The above anon is also right in saying that most artists making those black caricature-looking artwork are not black, or even poc
These are cool! I think overall there's nothing wrong about reimagining character different race, especially if said different race is underrepresented - and what is at first maybe just some twitter hashtag may be eventually an inspiration for actual companies to maybe start including more and more of it, be it for clout or for more honorable reasons - ultimately the more variety the better.
This said it does feel kinda odd scrolling down that #interpvscanon top posts and maybe 1 out of 10 is not reimagining character as black, as if other races or other concepts on how said character can be reimagined don't exists. I'm not gonna go anywhere and complain but would be cool to see people get more creative there than just "i'll keep everything but make them black".
Damn, not only is that drawing shitty, but it's shitty in a way that doesn't even remotely resemble his style. Can a person
jump the shark?
Man, I still get sad thinking about how Butch's shitty personality totally obliterated peoples' goodwill for him and his work. I think in the early 2000s, he had some fantastic ideas, and though his art style isn't very versatile, I can understand its appeal. It's hard to even appreciate those things anymore, because now he's 50% enormous ego and 50% desperate sellout. Christ, why can't he just be respectable and keep moving on to new projects like Maxwell Atoms?
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this is probably what I imagine you to look like after saying that stupid shit anon
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Kind of cringe, it's basically just #Blacktober revisited.
Why are you so obsessed?
She's as autistic as any other artist.
I'm starting to think it's the same anon desperately trying to have us against her. At least post milk so we can have something to chew on. Not just "she remade".
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It's pretty much a post your fanart, tag. You can post whatever you want in it.
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Yup, pretty much.
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I’m starting to get munchie vibes
I do think that this artist is a tad heavy handed on the disabled front. I don't doubt that she is disabled, but everything on top of that with organ failure? And if you have a look at the gofundme it's just full of several illnesses.
Once again, I'm sure she's actually ill, but as anon said, it does seem a bit like she's milking it for the dog. As she's someone who works in the animation industry, I'm surprised that she doesn't have the surplus to help save up for the dog, but then again I forget that healthcare isn't free in the US. Okay enough rambling, I also had to unfollow her because a lot of things felt so disingenuous.
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So they sent her home in less than a day and didn't even admit her for her "organ failure"… yeah, this is munch as fuck. I'd bet money that she'll ramp it up pretty soon, maybe cop a tube or two.
Does anyone know what disability or disease she's claiming to have? All I can find from a brief scroll is vague "chronic illness/pain".
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She says "chronic sensitive sensitization [fibromyalgia], intermittent xiphoiditis, a weakened immune system, interstitial cystitis, a bad sports injury"
I recall reading that the "sports injury" as she calls it now was the result of either jumping or falling from a balcony but I can't find the tweets anymore.
Maybe it’s the new zoomer apathetic culture but outsiders it comes off as bad taste to post shit like this.
>updating social media on your health
Ok>posting a photo with funny stickers and filters in the ER
Kind of trashy
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Gonna give an opinion that might be a bit unpopular but animebros get way too defensive of their big tiddy drawings to the point where they really just looks like triggered spergs (ironic because they're the ones accusing everyone else of being triggered).
I don't care about the "unrealistic proportions sexualise women" angle, but if a character has absolutely ridiculous proportions I will find that funny and laught at it lmao. Claiming "she's a cartoon!!!" is a "muh style" tier defense and I will laugh at you cuz you're obviously coping and seething (and are probably a coom brain wich makes the coping funnier)
Dudes out there literally getting triggered cuz someone said their waifu is ugly kkkkkk
They're literally getting offended by jokes c'mon the irony just gets lost in them
Lmao it goes both ways, they’re both unnecessary
It takes less power to just not comment.
Equally by commenting they open themselves up to being owned.
i agree, these bros get "triggered
" just like all the "liberal sjw snowflakes" they like to make fun of. the big boob bad anatomy is just as hilarious as the unintentionally racist diversity art. there's a way to draw sexy women that actually look human and these guys don't have to draw that way, but then they shouldn't get so defensive when we laugh at their weird looking drawings of women
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How can you steal a style that was not original to begin with? I was not able to find the “stolen style pic” to actually compare. Her style is about the same as 90% of artists on IG that draws pretty face kpop girls
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Honestly I'm more peeved that animebros/weebs/coomers are defending this absolute mess of art
All oppai loli retards need get the rope.>>747391
They live in constant fear that someoneelse will do their job better than them since muh-style fags are almost always turd polishers.
she gotta pop out stupid shit every second or else she dies
lol opening up that link i'm flooded with this dumb hashtag #intervscanon
wtf is this shit
kagome in a wheelchair, what's wrong with these people omg
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I was going to write about why I think "art style theft" (I don't like calling it that, sounds dumb) can definitely be a thing in determinate cases and the style being copied doesn't need to be super unique and original, but I looked at pegacon_lee's art and imo this is not one of those cases. I can definitely see the inspiration but it's not a 1:1 replica, which is what "style theft" is to me. They look crazy for saying they want to kill the other artist over this.
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they cry "muh art style!!" but they look like a poorman's LittleThunder. Nothing new about drawing pretty girls with flowers and pink.
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Her entire Social media presence survival depends on being viewed as an unabashed callout queen. The good thing this time is that she doesn't have any supporters for this shitty take.
let's be honest, they'll be the first ones watching the newest season despite complaining about it.
its a mess of a design but lbr complainers and people making a big deal about it will still be gushing about their lesbian the moment the first episode comes out which makes it hilarious they're complaining and getting mad when people tell them to shove it.
off topic but i really don't see the point in complaining about designs you don't like to the point you go "lol angry weeb loosers" when people tell you to go shove it. every new anime it's the same rinse and repeat of people complaining and those same complainers complaining the show didn't cater to them all the way through or complaining their precious show is filled with weebs.
it's annoying af that they have no self-awareness. or maybe i just don't have time in my life to complain about anime characters anymore idk
Y'all literally evil. A teenager kills themselves because of targeted harassment and your takeaway is 'maybe they shouldn't have written fetish fanfiction'.
Harassment has a HUGE impact on someone's mental health. To claim it's just a 'you' problem when someone's getting dozens, if no hundreds, of hate messages is so selfish and egotistical. No one deserves to be threatened because they've got some degenerate fetishes y'all vanilla asses don't like.
to my knowledge, the youtuber in question doesn't mind/care but you can say "don't write hardcore gore about real people" and "Don't tell people to kill themselves over fanfiction you don't like" and those statements coexist.
the issue is people pushed the person in question to commit suicide and aren't evaluating how they interact with people can actually affect them. These are often dozens if not hundreds of messages, people calling you an abuser, a horrible person, etc. and not just one rando doing it. I'm pretty sure if the YTer found out, they'd be more disgusted with how people responded rather than the fanfiction itself.
y'all sound like the people that be like "Well they had a heart condition so they didn't really die of covid." when it comes to stuff like this. Yeah they had other shit going on but maybe evaluate how you actually interact with people so you don't end up contributing?
It's my last post because I don't want to get banned for infighting so please focus:
we're not talking about true crime documentaries that show real events that happened or fictional stories about fictional people. Imagine a situation in which someone writes a story about you being brutally murdered. Would you also defend their right to do so?
Wait how is saying >"if you don't like reading about real people being brutally tortured, raped and murdered, look away"
If someone is putting shit you don't like in their works of fiction, why go out of your way to consume said work and then bitch about it on the internet?
Can twitter artists quit being vile for five minutes and learn how to handle content they don't like, find triggering
, or discomforting like actual adults? Another artist doxxed and this time actually fired/possibly blacklisted for it.
All these sexual predators in animation and people get canceled over fiction. >>747576
So if you find telling people to not look at content they find disturbing to be fucked up, what should people do then??
cause if you constantly engage in it and tell people about it, you just expose more people to the content and no amount of "harassment is bad!!" will stop people from harassing others over it.
yeah rpf (and fanfiction in general about an actual person that isn't a historical/dead/public domain figure imo) gore is pretty fucked up, but it's the internet. You don't have to make your opinion about how vile something fictional is known to everyone and comment on the person's page along with dozens if not hundreds of other people.
Like, i find rpf gross and I will state that on my own thread but im not gunna go around to the artist and tell everyone about how gross this specific person is when there actually is much worse in the world than fanfiction about a person.>>747586
NTA but if the alternative was to let people tell them to go kill themselves and/or have that person commit suicide, then yeah. One of those things is significantly worse than the other and I'd blast anyone who, especially if they do it "on my behalf", decided that rather than blocking and muting people who make it, they contribute to harassing or them harming themselves.
like i said, rpf is gross af but if you go out of your way to harass people (or contribute it, or downplay what they're going through, or try to be like "Well harassment is wrong but what they write is gross", etc.) until they commit suicide you're significantly worse because you've actually harmed or contributed to the harm of another individual. >>747592
That too. If you find something fucked up, why go out of your way to interact with the person making it? im so damn tired of people complaining about things they don't like while also going out of their way to actively find and interact with it.(imageboard)
>>747617>I don't know why you guys are acting like it's so controversial to say that writing that kind of stuff is gross and it's going to get you mean comments.
We are not. read the rules of the thread.
>twitterfags and antis need to leave.
Twitterfags and antis are the people who will lose their shit over someone writing something that's obviously gross. Yes it's gross we know. No need for captain obvious to point it out. And the other anon didn't just say "this stuff is gross", they said gross fics DESERVED backlash even after it led to someone's death.
Well, the main catch is being super active. Post a lot, get lots of engagement etc. Use only one or two hashtags per post- don't use too many.
Checking out what time of the day the platform becomes more active also helps.
If hardcore gore RPF fanfic is the line you choose to create when it comes excusing harassment to the point someone inflicting self-harm on themselves/potential suicide, then you need to end your time on the internet. This is the tip of the iceberg.
Don't like, don't read. The block button is there for a reason, filter out the tags, don't look at it. Take your own activity into your own hands and let the degenerates fucking be. I highly doubt the person that wrote the fic actually wanted to gore whoever-the-fuck they wrote about. Someone mentioned Dipper Goes to Taco Bell; are the twitterfags going to cancel that fic, too? What about all the damn BTS Omegaverse fics?
content' only has as much power as you give it. Give it nothing, it gains nothing.
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>>747560>"Freaks">"Not a cyberbullying fandom cop problem"
Let me guess, Raymond is your comfort character?
NTA, and not defending the people who pearl clutch, but if you're delicate enough that people sperging out at you over some fucking fanfiction is enough to make you commit suicide instead of just blocking them/changing accounts, you shouldn't really be online, or at least you should keep the content you're that sensitive and easily triggered
about private. The fragility goes both ways.
You seriously don't need to post everything publicly, and it's unreasonable to expect people to not
react badly when you're writing gore/rape about real, existing human beings. The internet as a mass, public "thing" will never coddle anyone, literally anyone is vulnerable to mean comments/harassment (some more than others, especially when it comes to content like this) and if you can't handle that, you need to step away.
I dont want to out myself, but I used to be mutuals with thus girl and all the other discourse artists that pop up in these threads. I even used to follow their private accounts.
I'll be honest, I only maintained mutualism with this person because I felt bad for her. She dishes so much shit on main but she would be crying how she hates herself more or less in her private account.
I honestly didn't mind the discourse at first but it was frustrating to witness her going HAW HAW fuck pedophile/racist/weird people. But immediately cry if someone yelled at her back. It got super frustrating to the point where it was like if all of these drama and fights are so stressful, then why do you keep engaging in it, you know?
A lot of my friends still follow her but many of them were pretty honest it was to just watch the discourse because their art isn't that great.
Anyways, saging for my blogpost. Im just frustrated to see how this user actively hurts herself but it's those dam proshippers that ruins her day
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Pfffpt reminds me of pic related
The thing is, that most of those fanfics are written by the 12 years old in question, I mean, who the fuck over the age of fucking 18 plays Minecraft
unironically while watching Minecraft YouTubers
? Probably only mentally and emotionally stunted adults, and then, the real solution would be telling them on private about how it’s quite fucked and weird of them, as if their friends wouldn’t tell them.
Also, if this bothers you so much, go to gorechan and tell all of those actually pedofillic adults to stop drawing fucked up drawings, you could also look for actual fucked up artists and do your own little crusade to see how it would go.
I don’t get why you twitterfags bitch about a random person writing some retarded fanfiction that gets a few hits from a niche fandom, and not at the people actually posting fucked up shit that’s popular and give them enough bank to maintain themselves with it.
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>>747965>writing some retarded fanfiction that gets a few hits from a niche fandom
this is the 9th result by hits out of 106085 on the whole "video blogging rpf" tag on ao3, with 137570. It's not niche that's the point. Why shouldn't the author's actions have consequences? Sorry I can't bring myself to care if the person who sat down and wrote the tag "wilbur rapes tommy (a 16 year old) lol" can't handle being insulted for it
I'm not in the fandom (?) btw and I'm not a twitterfag, if anything I think the people defending that stuff are, afaik that's where mcyt fans congregate the most
Still, it’s not a normie matter that makes parents say >yo What the fuck
Which leads me to the other point, why the fuck are you not getting this mad over actual pedophiles like, say, Strawberrymilk who’s got a thread in here and everything? Do you even know the age of the person who wrote that fanfic? Do you have pictures of them that outs them as an adult shipping children? It’s just retarded.
No one denies that it is weird or gross but most rpf about minors is written by
all these actual predators on the internet and y'all take fanfiction/fiction in general as the biggest sign someone might be a serial killer.
but if you take whether or not someone writes or approves of a certain kind of fiction as a sign of whether or not they're a predator, you're going to miss a lot of predators.
will wheaton was an outspoken male feminist iirc and got outed for abuse and ive seen numerous other people who were outspoken against bad and awful fanfictions only to get outted for being child groomers or sex pests… weirdly enough, their threads detailing what happened are filled with the same people who call someone a pedo over shipping telling them they hope they have a good recovery and come back. Why???
>>747991>why the fuck are you not getting this mad over actual pedophiles like, say, Strawberrymilk
Nta, but we're all anonymous. You don't know what else that anon has posted on this site or anywhere else>>747999
It's concerning minors are making that kind of content anyway. Teenagers who make those kinds of fics are the same ones on social media talking about how they have rape kinks
I don't know why you guys are going so hard to defend fanfiction like that. Do they deserved to be relentlessly harassed over it? Nope. Should people be encouraged to kill themselves over it? Not at all, but if you make that kind of stuff you will get negative feedback. You can apply the same argument of "don't like, don't read" to "don't make fanfiction with extreme themes if you can't handle rude comments"
If we were their parents, I’m sure most of us would tell them to stop being so fucked up and find a way to solve their mental issues, but we’re not, and when a random stranger tells a kid “what you’re doing is kind of fucked up” they will send death threats and/or just block your ass for being nosy.
Unless you guys want to create some sort of “responsibility on the internet”organization or something, I don’t get why we should talk about kids doing fucked up things.
We should focus on the adults that are fucked up and that should get exposed and laughed at for being fucked up.
this entire time we've been talking about harassment. don't try to be like "some negative feedback" when everyone has been talking about harassment to try to hide it.>>748059
ngl i'd be more concerned if my children were telling people to die over fanfiction. Not to mention, a "responsibility of the internet" is a good way to get a lot of kids groomed cause predators (as they have in the past) just adapt the language of "antis" and the "morally good" people but have no problems grooming someone behind closed doors.
If in the grand scheme of things the most fucked up thing you've done in your life is make some fictional content, you're doing better than most other people esp considering that many of the "not fucked up" (according to their fictional tastes at least) adults have histories of abuse and predation. Hell i remember a story coming about about a reylo anti who raped their friend and tried to justify it by saying they liked rape anyways.
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what makes you think I don't care about real pedos? What does that even have to do with anything? My only point is that "harassment" is the consequence of their actions. Maybe I'm jaded but I've been told to kms for way less on the internet, it's just how it is and I'm pretty sure these edgelord tumblr girls know that better than anyone. In fact the other anon asked if I was the one directly harassing them but I would never because for most of them I'm sure all the outrage just validates their 3edgy5me shtick. also let's stop acting like a bunch of (very warranted) rude comments about a fanfiction are the worst thing that could ever happen to someone, pic related. If someone really killed themselves over that they were extremely mentally ill to begin with and shouldn't have been on the internet in the first place
>If people kill themselves because someone told them to they were already mentally ill and shouldn't be on the internet to begin with
you sound like the same people that say someone dying of covid just had heart complications and therefor covid didn't kill them. funny that the same people who cry about cyber bullying not being real are the same kinds that be privating once someone target they asses.
not to mention, you can actually go to jail if someone kill themselves and you get caught. is it really worth saying "Yeah I'm in jail cause someone killed themselves after I told them to."? I've been told to kms over less too, doesn't mean that people just need to "toughen up" it means people need to stop doing it.
>>748082>>748050>ngl i'd be more concerned if my children were telling people to die over fanfiction
I honestly have to wonder what is wrong with some of you guys. Children telling other kids to kill themselves over fanfiction is fucking awful, but something has to be wrong with you to think teenagers writing rape porn (and most likely consuming) isn't concerning as hell. I don't think it needs to be said that that is not healthy, whether or not said teenager may be a victim
of abuse. I also should add that so many children (teenagers openly admitting they are minors) are on twitter running accounts centered around the fact that they have extreme kinks. It's similar to writing fanfic about that kink of stuff, and neither are good. Both are upsetting imo. Obviously at the end of the day parents need to monitor their kids online activity, whether that be teenagers writing rape fics or telling people to kill themselves, but we do not need to act like writing that kind of content is any better than telling people to kill themselves
Anon, one thing is a kid receiving 2, maybe 3 edgy >lol kys comments
But having over 300 people constantly wishing for their deaths is fucked up. I don’t care if you were constantly told to kill yourself as a kid, but that doesn’t mean other kids deserve such things, specially when they’re as unstable as being able to write gore to publish it on the internet.
Exactly because edgy kids are edgy, they shouldn’t get harassed for being edgy.
Again, the only people that needs to get harassed for being gross are confirmed adults, not literal 16 years olds writing about their retarded parasocial boyfriends.
>>748092>if I had the choice between my child actively deciding to hurt other people and writing fucked up porn I'd just go with the second option.
You seem to not understand how consuming that kind of stuff could be hurting themselves. Also,>I don't think children should be writing (or at least posting) rape porn
It's really not the posting part that's the issue. I don't wanna derail the thread over it cause at this point this entire discussion isn't even about art but lets be honest here.
The difference between here and Twitter is that people who visit are probably already thick skinned to some degree and two, most of us aren’t going around actually, directly telling someone to off themselves or brigading/cowtipping. We’re off on our own corner of the internet shit talking, not tagging and spreading rumors on Twitter. I mean, you might be but most don’t. >>748098
It could be, but if they’re old enough to tell the difference between reality and fiction the damage is minimal if any at all. Otherwise we’d be banning everything over moral purity and because “it might hurt someone” despite the number of predators who say “don’t hurt people” or take stances against fucked up content but then groom someone or abuse them behind closed doors.
>>748105>Otherwise we’d be banning everything over moral purity and because “it might hurt someone”
That's the point, you can't ban fucked up rpf but you can criticize the people who write it and be vocal about how wrong it is.
I don't agree with "don't like it, don't read" when it comes to rpf because there's just something fundamentally wrong about publishing rape porn or underage porn about real people in particular, and I think the authors deserve to be shamed for sharing it, if that's the twitterfag position then I guess I agree with the twitterfags
But the issue is that telling someone to stop being retarded by writing fucked up shit is not enough for twitterfags, they send lol kys you sick fuck
comments instead of just telling them that they need to stop.
I don’t get why is it so difficult to understand that being unnecessarily aggressive to underage retards usually just makes the retarded kids want to kill themselves instead of helping them with understanding that they need to stop writing crazy shit.
If they have a kink to seek out and do it with adults, they assume whatever risks come with that or are at least responsible for themselves. But if they’re a teenager, most of them can’t even go to the store to buy condoms without being sus or embarrassed. >>748116
I agree with vocally criticizing rpf (whether sfw or nsfw), esp of minors but what I’m trying to say is specifically targeting someone or criticizing them just for the topic they wrote about rather than it being rpf just leads to banning everything and doing nothing towards actual predators. Mb on crappy wording but that’s basically what I’m trying to get it. Criticize it for being rpf rather than criticizing the content/topic of it. Maybe I’m biased cause I’ve seen too many people criticize the content of something for being gross but then turn out to have done worse.
I guess I assume that people writing that stuff are already perfectly aware how messed up it is. I also have trouble seeing how someone, even as a teenager, can be so desensitized to rape, gore, and underage porn to the point of producing it themsleves, about real people
, and sharing it publicly, but too sensitive for "kys" comments
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Okay, anon, have fun telling kids to kill themselves, we don’t need to help them, just let them hate the world more than before they wrote an obvious cry for help.
Maybe get a bunch of people to help you with it so they get over it as quick as possible, also doxx them, it will make the world a better place. You’re the hero we needed, the Batman of the internet.
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Apparently saintcake wasn't even talking about that situation so I guess you guys wasted all those posts for nothing
Samefag, Saintcakes bio says she's 23 so I feel like she's a little too old to be doing all of this but I get it. I'm sure having a bunch of people accuse you of pushing someone to suicide in a situation you had no knowledge of is frustrating and who wants that on their record?
Also, incase it's not clear, I'm guessing what happened is Saintcakes talked shit about that loli dragon maid character and a bunch of coomers got mad at her so they involved her in some kind of mcy drama and accused her of harassing someone to the point of suicide which lead to her saying this >>747553
How do we even know someone killed themselves? I haven't seen any proof one way or the other, just people aggressively claiming it.
It'd make more sense if they deleted their account and claimed to be dead because they wanted people to leave them alone.
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ok so I had to do a double take because the artist who was doing the callout regarding that Ang person is someone I used to be friends with in high school. I'm glad I lost contact cause holy fuck.
I kinda miss the days of being online, seeing something you don't like and then ignoring it. It's kind of frightening to think that if you draw something that others may find discomforting you can lose your livelihood over it.
>>748091>b-b-both are upsetting!
You do realize when writing fanfiction the ones "suffering" are fictional but when you conduct an actual operation to ruin someone's already fragile mental health with targeted harassment you're dealing with a real person? Let's not act like some of us didn't draw or write fucked up stuff when we were edgy, depressed teenagers because I sure did, the only difference is that social media didn't exist back then so my edgelord content wasn't exposed to a bunch of virtue signaling antis whose only source of happiness is gaining internet victories by punching down. Girls writing messed up shit are already bottom feeders, they're well aware of it. And most of them will grow out of it.
Like what do you even have to gain from doing it? The edgelord will delete their account? Another one will take their place, the internet is never cleaned off of "problematic
" fiction. I've seen how these lazy bird app activists spread callout posts about how someone is a pedo/whatever with cherrypicked "proof", if any, and people will bite and swallow with absolutely no critical thinking. They use all their energy doing this but never, ever take a dip in the deep end to call out degenerate scrotes like Shädman who openly lust after real life little girls simply because they know they're too big and popular to fall. I've seen call out posts of some nasty troons abusing young girls go unnoticed because that would be ~too scawy~ to RT. Multiple grooming cases exposed on Discord daily and you never see anyone compiling an autistic 20-page google doc detailing it.
And when they manage to break their target they scoff it off with the whole nigga just walk away from the screen bullshit like they themselves wouldn't be having a suicidal breakdown if it ever happened to them. If your mental health was already in such a lousy state that you lose your mind over some nasty omegaverse incest fanfic then you have no place telling other people to just close their eyes cyberbullying isn't real etc. I know you're reciting it to cope with your guilty conscience but when you grow up it will fucking haunt you that you made a complete stranger fall deeper into depression over some piece of retarded fanfiction or art. Feel free to debate them on it and say that you don't like it but the moment you start justifying real life consequences with "well she should've known it was coming!" you lose a bit of your humanity. And keep in mind that one day you'll be eaten by the beast you helped to create because the goalposts will never stop moving and soon something you write, draw or say will be considered problematic
>>748438>the internet changed, just adapt if you so insist of keeping up being a wierdo.
The only change is the type of humor and meme from the Internet. These weirdo will be not change and always in the Internet since in the beginning.Get used it .>fictional writing tells a lot about the mental wellbeing of the person.
Yeah Anon I bet my favorite horror and thriller scriptwriter and manga author is some sicko, creepy pscyho.lol
Just stop anon
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These are the tweets that led up to that one. I don't see it. How is this subtweeting about the mcy stuff? Interestingly enough, she mentions someone named Zami, gut no mentions of any minecraft youtubers, or even fanfic authors committing suicide. I feel like you guys are just trying to hold her accountable for this for no reason.
I always love how they try to brand straight out slander as "criticizing". Oh yeah remember when instead of writing their opinion, movie critics were sending directors twitter DMs and making public callout posts that they're gross abusive
pedo perverts who should fucking kill themselves already? Sharp, thought-provoking criticism right there.
>>748438>schizo-chan doesn’t know the difference between fiction and reality
Edgy teenagers are edgy, they write edgy stuff because they’re retarded.
Also, not only you can write anything as an exercise, even if gasp
you don’t like the theme. But you can also write about something even if you’re not okay with it or you don’t support in reality.
The internet has changed because now you have to be a reflection of your creations, so if I wrote about a child grooming mtf who fucks animals, I must either be one, support them or fetishize them because those are the extremes you retards like to reach.
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Ok the way they're talking about this exactly like how they talk about racism or homophobia is a bit cringe ngl
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Sa1ntcakes is protected now so I can’t access my original link to it but this is a screenshot from when I shared what she posted to a friend.
Is she literally said “a fanfic writer committed suicide…” and didn’t mention anything about a stalker until now.
and other edgy teenagers are edgy and say "kys" it's not that deep. If an adult is getting involved in this shit and harassing said teens that's cringe and they should kill themsleves too but that's not what's happening here>>748438
extremely based>>748508>I'm opressed because I like cooming to rape rpf
lmfao can't make this shit up
Are you dense? People are discussing the general vibe of these fandom "antis" and their narrative. Get a clue. And even when it comes to her she's obviously backpedaling from dropping a hot take on someone committing suicide over internet harassment.>>748508>>748517>hehe lmao people being ruined by internet mob mentality over fanfics is sooooo funny kek
You need to be over 18 to post here, anons.
Idk, I still feel like she's not at fault for this. It doesn't seem like this came up until >>748465
so it makes sense she's saying people are using it as a "gotcha". A fanfiction author killing themselves doesn't have anything to do with her criticizing anime, so why did it need to be brought up? Are people just not allowed to criticize any kinds of media? A lot about this just doesn't make any sense.
no one said that, stop overreacting, any opinion besides your own ≠ "I hate you and I want you to kill yourself". Ironic how it's the supposedly "problematic
" ones being insufferable moralfags here
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Samefag, these are the tweets that prompted the "you drove a fanartist to suicide" shit. Literally why does that matter in relation to these tweets? Who is killing themselves because a twitter artist said a loli character with big boobs looks stupid? This isn't about "antis" (I honestly don't even completely know what that is).
I'm not trying to wk so this'll be my last post about it, but it makes 0 sense to say this person is harassing people and driving people to suicide because of tweets she made about an anime character. That has nothing to do with the fanfic author or anyone else who committed suicide. That person definitely tried to use someone's death as a "gotcha" and it's weird you guys are trying to defend using someone's suicide to defend your loli waifu
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sage because samefag.She's full of shit and lying to boot. It feels like an outright backpedal to try to defend herself.
They also usually try to say writing gross shit is a sign that someone is not mentally well but like… that doesn't help their point. If someone isn't mentally well, why would you encourage people to en masse tell them to kill themselves and that they're an awful person? At that point, you're aware of what you're doing so you can't say "Didn't know what they were going through." And if something makes you uncomfortable, why would you intentionally seek it out? Like I'm not over here trying to look at guro but then going around telling guro artists to kill themselves like common and often times the harassment and getting told by random strangers is
the breaking point so I really don't get what she's trying to say.
though yeah she did criticize the oppai loli dragon, she's the same kind of person or crowd that will say it's gross but then still watch when the first episode comes out. Dragon maid is popular but still niche enough that you need to actually look for the content of it. I follow mostly weeb shit on my TL and even I didn't see shit from dragon maid which basically implies these people looked up something for a show they will either watch anyways or won't watch (which means the criticism is pointless) and then try to act tough when people start snapping back at them even if they're weebs.
It doesn't help that she almost always has awful takes (I think I had seen one of hers about DMMD) so people prob have an extremely low tolerance for her constant BS and complaining about everything.>>748439
How tf is she able to just get donations post a god awful post about people using death shortly after a fanfic writer killed themselves and after an artist had been doxxed and lost not one, but two jobs because a "friend" decided to expose their private NSFW content?>>748375
Ngl it kinda is his comeuppance. He basically did the same thing to someone else and now the internet has decided to do it right back to him. Kids, this is why you don't doxx and expose private information about people for the world to see when the worst crime someone has done is fictional drawings and it's an open secret that animation and other industries are riddle with sexual abusers and predators.>>748521
It comes from the same thread about her saying people are using death as a "gotcha" in response to people talking about how fandom harassment leads to people committing suicide. I don't think it's related to criticizing anime giving how hard she tries to play victim
but then go right back to the same shit that made her private in the first place. and this was all within like? The last month? With the way she phrased it, she makes it sound like people are trying to say that everyone has to be comfortable with everything or else someone will die rather than saying people shouldn't go out of their way to harass people and send death threats. Rather than saying "This tweet came at poor timing shortly after someone actually had been driving to commit suicide after getting harassed and death threats" like a mature person she just dug herself deeper and now it looks like it was either about a stalker or anime, but given how many times she backpedals and goes back to the same shit it feels like she's just trying to cover her own ass.
She's complained that no one likes her and was gunna permanently deactivate and privated, got a bunch of gay people mad at her and privated after she trash-talked DMMD, And now has gotten into a fight with the weebs and posted a god awfully timed take and tried to backpedal and is now private again. ffs if you're going to make a living pissing off and making fun of people you don't like at least don't private like a bitch while crying about it.
Tbh, I've seen stuff about the dragonmaid thing in my tl, and I only follow a couple accounts about one specific anime. I think it may have even been brought up in a thread here? I don't think it's some niche thing that no one really knows about>It comes from the same thread about her saying people are using death as a "gotcha" in response to people talking about how fandom harassment leads to people committing suicide. I don't think it's related to criticizing anime
But wasn't that thread made because of her criticizing anime? The way I understand it>saintcakes talks shit about weebs >weeb says she drove a fanartist to suicide (look at the quoted tweet in >>748465, it's about anime)>saintcakes says she doesn't know what that person is talking about>makes this thread >>747553>people think she's talking about a mcy fanfic author suicide.
I didn't know anything about this person before this so maybe she is a huge cow, but this all seems like an overreaction tbh
I’m with the other anon, I don’t get it. I thought the whole Don’t sexualize children
thing would’ve made people side with her? Since a loli character is just a child, and that child has humongous tits?
Also, how did they come to the conclusion that it was about something completely
I swear most Twittercrusaders just don’t have reading comprehension if they really managed to link a fanartist into lolishit to a fucking Minecraft YouTuber getting used for shit fanfics.
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Why do people call this character a loli when they dont do any research? Its an ugly coomerbait 19yo dragon. It was made for coomers and by coomers, these people dont even know that Kobayashi is an ecchi manga. Having an anime face doesnt make anyone automatically a loli.
If anons will show caps from manga, all of them have the same ugly face so that still doesn't make her a loli. Just a lazy design made for fapping.
The reasoning behind her having huge breasts is that she is allergic to being fat, and whenever she does gets fat it goes only in her chest afaik. It shouldn't be too deep. Just an ugly character made by ecchi manga creator.
>>748654>The reasoning behind her having huge breasts is that she is allergic to being fat,
Actually,>this entire post
I am not wking, i just think its retarded to call this wannabe bimbo a loli.>>748749
I think thats the whole point. I bet it took author 3 minutes to come up with it. At the end of the day she is nothing but a coomerbait character and i dont think theres anything special about it cause she is boring as fuck.
I think they were made separately. However, the wording of it and saying “idk a fan artist was driven to suicide apparently” right under her saying people using death as a “gotcha”.
If someone accused me of having driven someone to suicide or harassing them, if I didn’t do it I’d just deny it and make a thread clarifying that I don’t condone harassment or death threats. Not subtweet about people using it as a “gotcha” cause that just makes you look guilty of doing it in some way… especially when in the same tweet you talk about someone having actually done it and phrasing it as “people being uncomfortable”. It lowkey screams guilty and manipulative to boot given that she tried to backtrack and say it was about a stalker… and then tried to say before (or during) it was about an anime critique.
>so which ones the truth
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i think its extremly funny how you all wanna lose time on this bullshit when no one in real life cares about it, ofc if you say or show this shit people are goig to be "ew gross wtf" and no one is expecting this to be everyones cup of tea but normal adjusted people will just leave it at that, like genuingly at the end of the day, did you made a difference at all? lol
ANYWAYS theres also the partner of Jim Jinkins daughter?kid?(the creator of Doug), Jay Goldstein, who did a callout and doxing to a porn mansion foster artist and then backtracked about it, said artist was working with vivziepop and another worker. 1/2
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However i think its more milky how this ex friend group has been obsesed with that person, stalking him for 2+ years and basically pissed that Ang cutted tied with them without being able to trash them about it directly, in pic is one person of the friend group talking directly about Ang, also to note that callout is because another person of the group cutted ties but when they entered the group chat again they were a still pissed off, so the well adjusted folks of that group decided it was all a big manipulative attempt and decided to do a public callout instead of…talking about it.
Not brainlet at all. The call always comes from inside the house and I think it's your answer to >>748860
as well. Just like how on lolcow the loudest criticisms come from jealous vendettafags and people in the same community as the cows.
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Some girl on tiktok made a bullshit painting, posted it on ebay starting at around $200 dollars and the fucking bid with up to $15k lmao. Are ebay bids even legit or will they fake out?
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so who had 'emily artful getting covid' on their bingo card?
anyone can make an ebay account and drop a fake ass bid then just back out once the auction ends, plenty of people do it especially when the seller doesn't turn off the ability for the winning bidder to back out.
depending on how shameless this particular tiktoker is (considering shes already riding the "paint something on tiktok and put it up for sale on ebay = profit = success" trend, idk) i wouldn't be surprised if she made another account to put a fake bid down anyways just to release another tiktok like "omg guys look I did the trend and now my painting sold for this, do this and tag me if it works for you too". it's all bullshit.
it seems like more people care about clout than they do actually protecting anyone.
hell i saw at least two threads where someone was vocally anti-loli/shota/gross content in fiction only to have alligations about them come out that say they've groomed children and/or solicited nudes from minors, were general sexual predators and the threads are filled with the same kinds of people that tear down someone over edgy content saying "get well soon" and wishing them the best.
they wanna be assholes but can't bring themselves to be honest with being an awful person so they target relatively innocent people while shielding themselves and other genuinely predatory and awful people.
if the rumors about anti circles being filled with abuse, gaslighting, etc. are true it make sense as to why they'd side with someone who just got outted as a sexual predator and want them to get better while hoping someone whose only crime was "violating fictional characters" (and sadly i actually saw this brainlet take) dies.>>748924>>748959
honest to god i can't stand it either and i have too much pride to sink to being that level of shameless to where i can demand money for something i did to myself.
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an artist who makes a trans kids comics got called out for making babyfur art using real kids as model
what a shit friend, and never seen someone who lacks such self awarness. oh no someone did a drawing i dont like and has nothing to do with me, ima dox them.
like let people do whatever the fuck they rarley hurt anyone, sometimes annoying with how much of a degenerate they are but these are just drawings and NSFW artists usally keep to there circles and out of public.
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Why are so many of them babyfurs, I don't understand. How does someone even end up with a fetish that weirdly specific?
- to add on about truebuggy, he has a furaffinity and draws animals fucking and appretnly some private accounts lmfaooo
every fucking time
the person calling out the alleged predator or whatever does the same shit
I'm keeping my eye on a news report because I need more proof to believe that a suicide, but if it's true I'm going to be calling twitterfags unhinged til the cows come home.>>747553
Search his hard drive. Just do it now before he deletes any more "reference pictures"
iirc she didn’t merely “bully” the way one might think, but tormented others with the intention of driving them out and one of her victims
became suicidal and tried to wait it out and she knew and still harassed them. She was basically a farmer but instead of cows she went for normies on the basis of not liking them. Then she lied about it and tried to lie about being a minor to mitigate the damage by being “too immature to understand” her own actions. This toppled with her side account for posting south park porn getting exposed didn’t work to her benefit. A lot of people were shocked and disgusted because her audience was full of younger people but behind the scenes she was drawing shit about cartoon 4th graders. She herself is the cow.
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I read this whole thing, and I’m not interested in conversing over whether it was right or wrong or whatever. But are we supposed to feel sorry for them or something? Their identity was intentionally attached to that shit, if they didn’t want it to be found they could have just… not connected it to their personal life? And what the fuck did they think would happen if their job ever found out? It’d be genuinely retarded if any of the ko-fi donators felt obligated to give them something for whatever reason except sheer pity. Even then it’s a waste of a dollar imo.>>748957
kek no ship or fanfic is even worth considering worth fucking dying over unless someone is severely maladjusted, and if it’s already at that point it isn’t even the fic or the shipwars at fault. Nothing is physically stopping them from making a new account and disabling comments on the old. >>748138
This is such an overreaction. More than half the “supportive” comments on these fics isn’t even doing that shit.
>>749527>Their identity was intentionally attached to that shit, if they didn’t want it to be found they could have just… not connected it to their personal life?
Yeah, fun fact, that's what doxxing is.
They could have kept their entire personal life separate from their weird online stuff, and a close friend could just release all the info. That's literally the meaning of doxxing. From what it seems, they didn't connect their personal life to the online, they didn't even use their name online. Still pretty shitty to do on the 'friend's part.
Yeah, they already weren't connected. Jay just decided to release private information to the world.
Not to mention, according to husbandhugs (the person jay called out) had cut ties because Jay was attempted to groom them so I feel like Jay did this because they got rejected.
wasn’t vee/ang (who the callout was about) in a poly relationship for awhile? I remember hearing she was raped not too long and I’m wondering if any of her partners had anything to do with that
also apparently the OG callout maker (TrueBuggy) tried grooming Vee sometime ago, this situation is a shit show all around lol
So they got doxxed because they couldn’t keep their degeneracy to themselves, despite not attaching their name to said degeneracy, disclosed it to some scrote and he did as scrotes do and smeared their shit everywhere. Thank you for the explanation but I mean there is no way they could have reasonably concluded this would be a good idea. “I should show this guy who knows so much about me and isn’t my psychologist some fucked shit. Nothing bad will come of this!” lmao doxxing is fucking awful but who thinks like this? It’s like internet safety 101. >>749716
On top of that he’s a groomer? This is an entire shitshow
Ang/Vee had considered TrueBuggy/Jay a friend until they had cut him off for trying to groom them.
you really ain't gotta bend over that far backward to defend doxxing.
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Yet another artist is being cancelled by the anti shippers. The person being cancelled this time is badturquoise for drawing noncon on his nsfw Twitter account and for being a proshipper. Antis really can’t go 2 days without starting drama over fictional shit huh?
If I had a guess it could have something to do with trauma and how folks who were victims
of abuse tend to create coping mechanisms to bear with the pain. It’s no excuse for being a raging pedophile but kinks like these have been used as comfort devices for the person in question.
It’’s been a long time since I’ve read up on Sophie drama but if I had guess, their childhood may have not been the best growing up.
lmao yes this absolutely
tbh generally people that identify as being part of a "fandom" give me bad vibes.
People that actively care about shipping, whichever way it is, are just weirdos. the world was a much happier place when "fandom" noncense and autistic shipping shit were mostly contained by tumblr.
“ang skipped therapy and sought comfort in showing a scrote objectively weird shipping porn” I agree doxxing is bad. But I’m not going to read this shit and skip over ang’s laughable autism lol. Simultaneously I’m not going to take this shit seriously when it was ang themselves who tied their shit to their real life by forging that link between them (and for the groomer to click on) in the first place. Friends, lovers, enemies, it doesn’t matter kek these are perpetually online adults ffs. >>749990
It should never get that serious for anyone tbh, if it is they need to log off and step away from the computer. It’s really that simple.
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>>750108>Does anyone know if it was actually noncon or just misinterpreted?
Just checked out the scenegyaru person’s page and they posted this
I think you're confusing this character with Uzaki. Uzaki is a shorter-than-average college student with massive tits. This character was designed to be an oppai loli. Also, the mangaka is confirmed to be a loli/shotacon. Even the first season of Dragon Maid anime had tons of sus pedo shit in it.
There's even a manga-only character who looks like a child despite being a grandmother. The mangaka knows what the fuck he's doing.
Also, according to the wiki she's supposed to be 16, not 19.