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What media would you say deserves the fanbase it gets? Good or bad?
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tifs are so whiny kek
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>>2499059While it's true male fandoms have much lower amounts of poz, drama, and witch hunts, TIM spaces are a whole different story. They take the worst of female behavior and selectively multiply it tenfold for the powertrip. Signs to watch out for:
>huge autist moid rates (ex: retro gaming, the FGC, anything involving editing like YTPs)>popular stuff involving or implying yuri (ex: Madoka Magica, Love Live, Bang Dream)>outright troonslop lmao (ex: Undertale/Deltarune, When They Cry (thanks umineko))>>2502989Good question, I personally nominate Danganronpa for fostering a secondary culture across gaming where it's okay to call yourself a fan of something by watching someone else go through it and taking their commentary as gospel. It showed in the memes too where some streamer's cringy running joke would become a fandom staple while having zero relation to anything in the game itself (something something nagito bagels). Even today new DR fans "experience" the games through let's plays (or the shitty anime for THH, i don't know which one is worse) so i can't trust their opinions on anything.
>>2503049beautiful
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>>2503148Good: Discworld, it's one of those rare book series written by a man that has actually interesting female characters that aren't conventionally attractive but still important. I hope it never gets a modern adaptation so I don't have to see people claiming Rincewind as a tif.
Bad: Star Wars, fuck Lucas and fuck Disney.
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>>2503161I hate how many fandoms are riddled with TIMs for being autism magnets which are otherwise cute or innocent like MLP or Kirby. They always make everything weird or preverted too. The best fandoms or hobbies lean older, are boring to an autistic male but appealing to female autism like fabric arts.
I see no women in that picture, imagine the smell.
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>>2503172It's been 10 years and they're
still screeching that Rey is a Mary Sue who doesn't smile enough. It's legitimate mental illness.
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>>2503161Love how all of the moids who aren't trannies are obese KEKKKKK. Sad that autist interests are filled with trannies though, it's impossible to find other women if you have one. It looks like it fucking smells in there
>UndertaleDespite having troonslop; undertale had a decent female fanbase before deltarune came out. I think it's because the female characters were well written and didn't come off as pandery. Deltarune is… definitely worse, so it's mainly troons. When it comes to the gay stuf: Alphys and Undyne were really cute and most women thought the same while Noelle and Susie just come off as yuribait for troons + all the troons are projecting themselves onto Noelle. I only notice women talking about Deltarune months into the release of a new chapter, like how alot of women liked Spamton after chapter 2.
Deltarune seemed pretty promising during the chapter one era but nowadays all people (troons) talk about is Kris being non binary or whatever sigh.
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>>2503189I
think some side characters have they/them pronouns, and a few retards in the fandom interpreted Metatton's quest to get a robot body as a ~trans allegory~ (in reality he and Alphys are just weebs and he wants to be become a bishie husbandobot to be famous).
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>>2503190Oh, and Asgore. Fanart always loves to make this dude fat as hell, which personally didn't make sense to me because he's the king who actually knows combat. What reason would it make sense to draw Asgore as fat? Just remembered it's kind of the same with Sans. He's a skeleton, drawing him as a manlet makes sense because that's what he is, but when artists "humanize" him, he becomes fat.
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>>2503208This was gay men, yumes didn’t care about him.
Fujos uh…I guess fontcest and sometimes Mettaton with Papyrus since there wasn’t much fujo in undertale.
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>>2503205Maybe, but it doesn't really come across that way in game. It's written more like a simple guy abandoning his roots to chase after fame.
>>2503208To be fair Sans is pretty big boned compared to Papyrus
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>>2503189I think Mettaton is interpreted as being a TIF because of his diaries + the whole "frisk/chara is nonbinary" thing. As undertale got older toby undeniably started pandering towards trannies more
>>2503190No there were definitely a lot of female fans outside of husbando stuff, I just think sans got the most traction. I remember the whole sans fangirl thing kek, but I'm saying that the well written female characters is what made undertale bareable for women to play. If every female character was just a busty anime loli and sans stayed the same I doubt women would like it. There were always trannies in the fandom but it wasn't as crazy as it is with deltarune. I actually like Susie too but I'm not a big fan of Noelle.
>>2503200>>2503216>in reality he and Alphys are just weebs and he wants to be become a bishie husbandobot to be famousYeah that's also exactly what I thought, like with all of that human convention stuff. I think whether Toby wrote Mettaton to be a female or male originally, his story never came off as being a major trans allegory despite Toby being a troon panderer. It always read as him being fame crazed enough to abandon his family (Anyone remember the phone call segment at the end of his fight?)
>>2503208Isn't this kind of art drawn by fags
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>>2503215Yumes dominated the Undertale fandom kek. I remember how it actually got so big that it splintered off into
hundreds of AUs, and there were people who were bigger fans of certain AUs than the canon game. Underfell (edgy AU where everyone evil), Underswap (role reversal AU) and Handplates (whump fanfic comic) were probably the most popular.
That side of the Undertale fandom was actually fun and creative.
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>>2503229What do the Sans selfcest women fall under
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>>2503223I liked the fact she was a genuinely frumpy, awkward weirdo whose good intentions/people pleasing tendencies backfired. The resolution to
the Amalgamates arc was just kind of lackluster and…unrealistically positive, I think. I don't think most people would be willing to forgive something like that. Also the phone call spam got really old really fast.
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>>2503200Since we're finally talking about this, I have two things to say about Deltarune, even though I haven't played it since 2022: I don't give a fuck that Kris has the pronounshit smeared on him because of autist Toby Fox, this kid is a
boy to me. It just makes the most sense off my own intuition from playing it blind. Second of all, Kris being shipped with Susie makes more sense in writing than whatever the fuck that "Suselle" shit is. I'm not saying that because it's straight, I'm saying that because the way Susie and Noelle's relationship is written is so shallow and clearly pandering to faggots who just want another "Undyne and Alphys" couple. Meanwhile with Kris and Susie, they developed chemistry relatively naturally (didn't get along at first but Susie warmed up to Kris). Their chemistry as two good friends feels so much more realistically written with how they joke and hang out. Plus, I personally believe there's implications that Kris does like Susie. Like how if you force Kris to complain about having Susie as ap project partner, his voice will be monotone to imply he doesn't agree with what you're making him say about her. If you tell Susie you would pick her to be the friend he takes to a fair, his immidiate tone in the answer implies that Susie really would be his first choice. Then there's the Susie-themed tea, which IIRC heals Kris the most. They have the best friendship we see in the game, and there's enough sprinkled details to imply that they do have the potential to be good
together, which is how "tomance potential" SHOULD be written instead of Noelle being so obviously up Susie's ass in a way that's so dumb and anime. Yurifags BTFO'd again.
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>>2503235I would put them under the AUfags/lorefags because I guarantee each of those fics has at least
some rule-abiding explanation about how and why this happened.
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>>2503237I haven’t played Deltarune in a while but I thought you were supposed to ship him with the deer girl in a
toxic way
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>>2503240Fair point, I’d say they also kind of fall under a particularly strange genre of yume though
Take the Onceler for example, it’s pretty obvious the girls obsessed with him wanted to date him but since self insert OCs were pretty dead at that point they instead chose to ship him with himself, same goes for Sans girls.
I guess the idea of wanting your husbando to find extreme ‘self love’ is kinda cute.
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>>2503235Yume with a Fujo soul, I always just saw it as another extension of yumefagging
>>2503237Wouldn't say Susie and Kris as a ship makes sense, at all, since Susie is obviously written to be a butch lesbian. Honestly shipping doesn't belong in deltarune, not even because they're teens, they just all seem like good friends. I think thats the charm of Kris and Susie, not in a romantic way, but they come off as really good friends. I wish Kris was just a male too because it'd be nice to see a female/male friendship dynamic that doesn't end in a relationship/marriage/having kids. Suselle sucks ass though, there's no chemistry at all and you can tell Toby felt compelled to add some random lesbian relationship. Noelle just feels out of place, I can't put my finger on it. I just don't like her
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>>2503251>Anyways Kris is so obviously a maleReverse draw a girl call it nonbinary
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>>2503252Susie is very clearly a lesbian even if suselle is forced. I don't know, I don't think Bi should be the default. I'm tired of characters having to "come out" instead of it being read between the lines that they're gay. Noelle is obviously a lesbian too (i mean toby literally sprinkles the word 'gay' in her dialogue by changing the font). Surprised Toby didn't make Noelle Bi though kek
>>2503249It's usually fags
>>2503247The susie and noelle ships with Kris do always come off as harem slop lol. Deltarune ships usually suck unless it's with side characters. I don't know, the main cast just seem like a big friend group. Even suselle, where they're both canonically attracted to eachother. It'd make more sense for susie and noelle to date when they're older but whatever gotta have the yuri
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>>2503186What gets me is that the similarities are superficial. Some DR fans get into VNs that provide similar experiences, like Higurashi and Raging Loop, or Ace Attorney from a gameplay standpoint, but the former are outnumbered by personafag ironic weebs who want to play a dating sim without the stigma of playing one (same reason the like nu-Fire Emblem), and that is if they play the games at all…
>>2503198see i'm willing to excuse that let's play because it doubled as a translation for a linear jp-only game by a neutral party instead of some guy on youtube trying constantly to be funny
>People have had this same mentality with things like RPGmaker games and other VNs long before Danganronpahuh, i didn't know that, but still, i think DR is what made it huge
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>>2503270Samefag but on susie being a lesbian; The only people I see set on susie
not being a lesbian are people who really wanna ship her with the male characters or just believe sexuality is fluid. I mean I don't see the issue with people who read her as Bi though, because her sexuality isn't explicit. I just think it's pretty clear she's a lesbian who doesn't really care about relationships, she's objectively closer to Kris but she crushes on Noelle anyways. She's likely an undyne case where she's written to be a butch lesbian.
>>2503278That route is probably for lorefags who liked the genocide route in the first game, plus there's all that gastershit in the code.
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>>2503285Agreed. I love DR but I never liked the writing for persona (there’s some ships and characters I liked here and there though)
It’s a little disappointing that most of them never bother touching another VN though but I guess most of them aren’t on console or have dub lines.
>Raging LoopGod that VN sucked, Chiemi was best girl though.
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>>2503264>>2503271Not just that but considering noelle's obvious crush on susie I also think it's also moids wanting to "fix" a lesbian. Hate on suselle all you want but I think bland yuri is better than moid self insert shit.
>>2503278I used to cope and say "nooo it's totally meant to be a horror thing it's just the degen fans!!" but when I see toby say shit like picrel… shouldn't have expected any better from a moid
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>>2503278Toby needs to get the fuck off the keyboard some more and let somebody else to the writing then because IF the Snowgrave route was MEANT to be "toxically romantic", I'm speechless. I didn't think that was romantic chemistry in anyway at all, not even abusively. I thought that was just fucked up manipulation with homicidal urges, anon.
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>>2503297Toby has always liked weebshit but ever since he learned Japanese he has been so fucking annoying. He tries so hard to come off as some mysterious Japanese game dev. his tweets used to be funny as fuck too. Just freeze him in 2015 forever. Undertale would've been great untouched, kind of like petscop ifykwim kek. I think it's why Alphyne is better than Suselle, one is based off of lesbians he knew as he wrote gay male characters too in undertale, while one is based off of Japanese yuri (not the best depiction of lesbians). Interesting how he kept Susie as a masc though, but Noelle is just… So trannyesque.. It's just the fact she has so many "hehe guys look shes gay" "omg gay smol bean" jokes surrounding her because she's shy and stuff. Everyone can tell Susie is a lesbian but she doesn't get that treatment
>>2503313Oh yeah lmfao. That spergout was so gay, I remember kind of siding with Matpat because of how gay toby sounded
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>>2503325>I remember kind of siding with Matpat because of how gay toby soundedHe just comes across as kind of a dick every time he pulls that type of thing. Yiik’s creator is an obnoxious moid but it definitely makes him come across as someone who’s not gonna have your back when he deleted the tweet he made talking about it and how he did a song for it and then deleted it immediately when no one liked the game.
I don’t really hate Toby obviously but I eye roll pretty hard at everyone acting like he’s the most perfect person ever.
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>>2503325It was funny how the entire internet dicksucked him for throwing this melty. People were treating MatPat like a supervillain that Toby Fox bravely defeated in war.
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>>2503344When it comes to being male, neither Toby or Matpat have done anything heinous they're just both male (naturally degenerate), gay, and annoying. One is just more stuck up than the other
>>2503350Susie literally likes Noelle though kek, that's not calling her a lesbian because she's a "tomboy" it's calling her a lesbian because she likes women
>big ol' man-larping lesbianI mean she's a big lesbian, wouldn't call her "man larping" though. Kek wtf nona
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>>2503346I don’t think I’m cocksucking him by saying his hatedom was weird kek, I agree that the AVGN hatedom is also weird though
>HE DOESN’T RELEASE ENOUGH VIDEOS ANYMOREHe has two kids dude fuck off.
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>>2503350>Every woman who's gruff and big has to be a big ol' man-larping lesbianyes !!!!
No. 2503369
>>2503366She drew a shirt with a boy on it that said shota
I think everyone who raged at her for that was retarded though
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>>2503366Eh, I figured that she's appealing to that demographic the same way toilwt bound or black butler does, but I'm not that in the know so if you think she isn't, then I can't really argue back.
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>>2503360Speaking of fetish shit do you guys think he'd ever pander to the "Noelle is a troon" shit? I see it so much among troons who like deltarune because she has antlers
>>2503364(Off topic but
I literally saw moids calling a historical fashie butch lesbian a "tomboy" once. I see more lesbians simply being called tomboys than I see straight tomboys being called butches)
>>2503369Why do these retarded gendies care so much if a woman is kind of edgy? Toby used to be super edgy though he didn't joke about loli/shota shit. He was very "politically incorrect" and his fans would freak out of it but never tried ruining his career over, like it wasn't just him saying faggot he was a huge edgelord. Which I don't really care about but they never hold him accountable in the same way they hold omocat. Funny because Toby and Omocat are friends too lul. It's not like omocat is out here touching kids
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>>2503380>Why do these retarded gendies care so much if a woman is kind of edgy?Misogyny kinda be like that, people take even her super obvious joke tweets 100% seriously.
No. 2503389
>>2503380"Female fujo and shota is gross and wrong", simple as that. It's not like it's uncommon to think that way.
Furry and yurilesbians don't really matter as much, "there are women, that is good" ig.
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>>2503379Yes they do nona but it's subtext. She only likes Noelle despite being closer to Kris. I don't see why people are so insistent on susie not being a lesbian, we're not trying to "tomboy genocide" but her being GNC in the way that she is and liking women makes it more likely that she's a lesbian than a bisexual. Toby wrote most of his gay characters off of what he knew about gay culture (see: Undyne also being "butch", and Mettaton basically being a drag queen/JJBA character ha). Also being written after his gay friends. Noelle being an exception. It's not sexist to say that a GNC character who likes women is probably a lesbian, yes straight and bi women can be tomboys but susie seems to be written otherwise. I'm sure there's great tomboy characters who aren't gay too.
>>2503385They do this shit with JKR too, too bad Omocat isn't a based terve
>>2503387I have a theory that if Noelle was a troon they wouldn't like her despite them always calling her one, they love to project onto real female characters. If Noelle was a canon troon they'd call her antlers "twansphobic"
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>>2503350>Every woman who's gruff and big has to be a big ol' man-larping lesbian, is it 1955?Can you even name 5 characters who fit this description? Most “big” “gruff” female characters like Abby(tlou), Ambessa, Zarya, Marisa (Street Fighter), Dorio (cyberpunk), and Noi (dorohedoro) are either attracted to men/in a relationship with one or don’t have a confirmed romance/attraction.
Some ssa women seeing characters as lesbians is no threat to you. Most lesbians in media, as well as popular lesbian ships, have been very feminine women so no shit some people want to see a butch lesbian(which already has basis in her being heavily teased with another girl). And Susie x Kris has a high amount of fans and fan content so you’re hardly alone in that aspect either.
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Does anyone else hate this amber / tanijrou bitch? She is the very definition of a trend chaser and always hops on whatever the hottest new series is, usually jap thing because she’s a weeb. Right now it’s chiikawa because the series has gained massive popularity from the past few months in the west. If you go through her profile and scroll long enough, you’ll see how sudden the fandom hopping will be kek. She would post about spy family of all things, which is telling because no one really cares about spy family aside from facebook tier normie weebs, she only does it because she wants engagement. she had a blue checkmark before which made me lose all respect for her (even if it wasn’t much) but i think she’s hiding the check now. That would be the only reason why she keeps doing this, but even before twitter blue was a thing, she’d constantly post about current trends anyway.
I remember she posted a video about the spy family ripoff “buddy daddy” where the little girl character had a weird pedo scene of her butt and some people were calling her out on it but she tried to defend it kek.
Witch Hat Atelier is getting an anime soon, and she tweeted about the manga for like three posts because she probably noticed how popular the fandom is on twitter, but has been completely silent on it ever since lmao. I guarantee you this clout chaser will start tweeting about it again when the anime airs
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>>2503828She’s also one of the biggest reasons why the dungeon meshi fandom because so shit. I pity og fans of manga that get anime adaptions because it’s so common for the fandom to get an influx of obnoxious newfags, especially ones who only care about shipping. She’s one of those obnoxious farcille shippers and why I hate most yurifags these days, everything seems so forced. I’m not kidding when I say probably 85% of all viral dungeon meshi tweets when the anime was airing came from her.
Farcille isn’t even canon, its just the usual baiting that these tards love eating up, marcille canonical type is a male elfboy mind you, but these people don’t care and will go through mental gymnastics anyway.
It was so funny when that annoying western interviewer asked Ryoko Kui if marcille and falin were canon and she gave a “you can believe what you want answer” KEK, these gendies and libfem yuritards were coping hard that she didn’t give in to that forced question. I’m glad she didn’t pander to those freaks
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>>2503888Same, but I'm also sort of glad most people don't see it that way. Imagining Kris getting the OOC pornified yandere Chara treatment scares me.
>>2503812>iirc the demo version of the game did actually label Kris as male at first lol.There's 'murderboy' in Undertale's code which may be referring to Chara and Toby called Frisk a he on twitter back when Undertale came out, but there's nothing for Kris. You may be thinking of the anniversary stream in which one of the dads called Kris a he, Toby corrected him though.
>it's almost like most of the characters are written to potentially be shipped with Susie whether seriously or in jest.Yeah. You could argue it's because she's the "real" protagonist or that it will help her realize that other people want her around if she isn't pushing them away, might also just be Toby making the other characters get the hots for his Terezi-inspired waifu.
>>2503297The Halloween hack was made because he wanted more non-stereotypical depictions of homosexuality (though the design document still had misogyny in it kek) and he's been working on this game for years, he isn't going to make an entire 'correction' route just for pandering, even if he's changed from the old Robert who'd post funny tweets and actually answer questions. It is really just the degen fans who think that way.
With that said, to bring this back to fandom discourse, I do think his shift towards Japan is indicative of different fandom culture in the east and west, mirroring the wider culture in those areas. Like it's definitely also him wanting to be the cool and mysterious Japanese game dev of his dreams and meet his heroes, but you have to admit that nowadays he would never do as little as bringing up ero games in English. (The screencap comes from a fan translated article.)
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>"fandom spaces are so male-centered!!!1! why are people so fucking biased towards their husbandos blah blah blah"
>check profile
>is a yume who only posts about the male character she's -currently- obsessed with
Anyone else exhausted of constantly encountering this breed of commentary and the fact it always comes from the place it's supposedly criticizing?
I wish women in fandom would learn once and for all that crying about the popularity of certain characters and/or pairings is NOT activism, and how someone's taste in fictional characters is not a reflection of their true personal views; a gachafag moid whose walls are plastered in posters of his waifus is not exempt of holding misogynistic views just because he obsesses over anime girls. Women and especially young girls focusing on male characters in their fanworks because that's what they are attracted to is completely normal and something to be expected.
But what really drives me nuts is when people are blatantly performative about it like described above, and for what reason? Personally speaking majority of the fanart I make is about female characters yet I don't see the point of all this wank.
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Is this a thing in the original korean text? I can’t believe this gacha game apparently panders to gendies so much unless it’s fandom delusion or english tl meddling, the wikis for Cookie Run and its spin-offs even have 5 separate pages for cookies that go by “he/him”, “she/her”, “they/them”, “it/its”, and “no pronouns”.
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>>2504482Samefag, this is so dumb kek
No. 2504630
>>2504482Koreans don't actually use third person pronouns (they don't even use gendered titles like Mr/Mrs afaia) it's a contextual language so the subject is omitted. It's purely a gendie thing to give every cookie multiple third person pronouns, also it could be a translation error because of the lack of third person pronouns/gendered titles.
I knew of a translation error where gendies thought a Korean BL author was male and got all excited citing an officially translated "author's note" chapter where the translator had written "Mr [author's name]" but I went to the author's twitter and it was a woman lol.
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>>2504482the fandom has been obsessed with the cookies retarded pronouns since like 2018. they fixate on that collectively for some reason. and it becomes exhausting.
I remember the fandom used to think this character was non binary, but it was then "revealed" he was a man in an event.
they started claiming it was nonbinary erasure, when the character was so obviously always a man.
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>>2504673It's localization. Korea doesn't have it. And it's not even retired discourse as people will still attack you if you don't use a fucking cookie's "correct pronouns"
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>>2504673I played this shit back in ovenbreak and it felt like I was rudely awakened from a coma by the ice bucket challenge by seeing that game start cropping up again in fandom drama
No. 2504893
>>2504117>Imagining Kris getting the OOC pornified yandere Chara treatment scares me.This always pissed me off when I was younger because I did interpret Chara to be a girl (the name, plus it just made the character more interesting in my opinion) but everyone else who shared that idea either depicted her like you said, or as a generic mean girl (of all things) to Frisk. Spoilers for autism:
Chara obviously didn't have a huge amount of lines or screentime in the original game, but what we do see is actually quite complex. I'm just gonna refer to her as a girl for simplicity's sake. She willingly went to a mountain with a bad reputation for disappearances as a child, hated humanity so much that she was willing to poison herself in a long con to wage war on them, and seemed quite scary/manipulative while she was alive. At the same time, though, the Dreemurr family genuinely loved her and Asriel had faith that her plans would work, so she must have had good qualities. I think it's worth mentioning that the last straw for her to "take over" in the genocide route is the player deciding to kill Asgore. It gets even deeper if you believe in the "Chara is the narrator" theory which does have some pretty compelling evidence. I don't know if it was intentional on Toby Fox's behalf but it makes for an interesting interpretation of the game, and what Chara represents in general. I haven't played Deltarune so I can't comment if she appears in that. But in the canon game it really seems like Chara was a traumatised kid who lost everything by repeating the cycle of violence, and then came back from the dead as a demon. I hate how shallow fandom interpretations are anyway to be honest. Anyway this thread really resurrected my cringe Undertale phase autism kek
No. 2505046
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Anime coomer moids make me nauseous
No. 2505055
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Why do people who write and draw fucked up concepts always try to hide behind "I'm a victim and this is my cope". Holy shit dude, you're an artist on the internet, nobody needs to know you got molested as a kid. Even if such a tragic thing did happen to you, how is basically indulging with explicit abuse and rape fantasies a proper cope? Don't make this more than what it is, just say you're a weirdo who's on your coomer time, man.
No. 2505233
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>>2505111While I don't think artists should be bullied off the internet for coomer edgy art on twitter and words on Ao3, how artists like that react to criticism or backlash makes me lose lots of empathy for them. Stop turning your fetishes into a soap box about how your art is somehow intellectual or "aligns with canon". Stop oversharing your tragic backstory as some kind of makeshift trump card that will magically make sensitive zoomers fuck off (because they don't and won't care). Stop blowing hot air about how you don't care about what anybody thinks or how you love pissing off antis, just to eventually nuke everything because you ended up caring after all. Like how do you have the balls to make and post edgy art, but bitch out like a baby when like two zoomers call you racist or something. Close the tab. And for fucks sake, stop with the "it's my coping mechanism". Just be honest and say you have a fetish, because if enough of these fuckers keep up with the "it's a cope" excuse, it's gonna make people think that people who got molested are gonna grow up to sexualize the very concept that happened to themselves. Kind of like how pedophiles got people to believe that they're basically degenerates because they were also
victims at one point. Even if the abuse and rape fantasy shit truly is their cope, antis aren't gonna magically fuck off from thinking the art is gross and needs to be stopped.
No. 2505273
>>2505055I write edgy stuff sometimes. My excuse? I'm an edgetard. Easy peasy.
I guess I feel bad for those who genuinely do it to cope but I also don't get why they have to broadcast their trauma either. If I was making dark stuff to cope I wouldn't want anyone to know, it would feel oddly personal.
No. 2505275
>>2505233This is why the “proship vs anti” debate is so retarded to me
One side expects everyone in the entire world to step on eggshells for them 24/7 while also being huge hypocrites who do half of the stuff they yell at everyone else for doing
And then the other side are trying to come up with cope reasons for why it’s totally normal to have a weird ass fetish (I have one too but I don’t try and act like it’s normal or a trauma response kek).
No. 2505306
>>2505298Even though it was a Sonico collab nitroplus, does make stuff for a purely female audience like touken ranbu (which Sanrio also collab’d with) and chiral
They actually get treated better than a lot of the games from their main division since they still get featured in new merch.
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>>2505306But why collab with Sonico and not their male mascot though? They also recently did a whole collab with onimai out of all things and i will never understand why. Its not the first time they collab with lolishit either, they did a hello kitty loli figurine with POP(artist for moetan).
No. 2505335
>>2505319Sanrio collabs with everything kek
Even franchises solely watched by moids can get Sanrio collabs because guys liking Sanrio isn’t that uncommon in Japan, especially otaku guys.
No. 2505346
>>2505335>>2505320I know they collab with stuff like re:zero and other mainstream moidslop but this is the first time i have seen them collab with loli ecchi shit. I am pissed they would rather collab with this slop rather than GuP.
>>2505332Not only into a girl but into a loli.
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>>2505346Might be moidslop but I liked the seething pic related generated.
No. 2505437
>>2505431I do. I've found my stuff without misogyny or kinkshit.
It's just that I like things that other moralfaggers may not agree with because I genuinely don't think there's anything wrong with them.
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>>2505435The Sadistic Beauty side story is probably the best erotic gl I’ve ever read, and I don’t even like bdsm shit. I showed it to my gf who doesn’t read yuri and even she found it super hot lol.
No. 2505490
>>2505482By that logic you can't support anything. You can hardly check anyone's personal beliefs before you make a purchase.
I can guarantee any raw material you buy is produced by someone with misogynist beliefs.
We pay for a product/service, not someone's beliefs.
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>>2505346it's not the first time they collabed with loli anime though, monogatari got a sanrio collab at least 3 times. picrel was the most recent one
No. 2505541
>>2505490I think most people just don’t want to
knowingly support rapists
No. 2505604
>>2503162Discworld is a rare gem of a fandom because it's mostly older fans who were there from the start. They have jobs and lives outside of a screen, and although they're generally very welcoming to gendies, they stick to talking about things relating to the fandom in fandom spaces, a novel concept to many. I'm glad that the fandom is still going strong despite PTerry's death.
>>2503828God she's so fucking annoying. I loved the Dungeon Meshi manga and I was so hyped for the anime but retards like her ruined it. The Dungeon Meshi fandom went from a handful of fans posting cool theories as the story unfolded to endless TIFs shipping Chil and Senshi because ermagerd they're just like me. Half the meta doesn't make any fucking sense, the spergouts over shipping are insane even though basically everyone ships the same few things, there's so much race discussion even though it's not actually a problem in the manga. I swear I lost braincells trying to navigate the fandom after the anime adaptation.
Everyone screeches about how it's the best thing since sliced bread but nobody seems to have actually read or watched the series, they just regurgitate opinions at each other and obsess over Senshi and Chil being transmasc goals and the Touden siblings being peak autism rep and also they're all trans and gay. I don't blame anyone who hates the series because of the fandom it attracted.
First world problems and all but it's really depressing to lose a comfy fandom space because of retards who desperately bandwagon hop to stay relevant to other attention seekers.
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>>2505707keked at the moralfags continuing to translate it even when they seethed about how "
abusive and fetishizing!1!" it was in the A/N and kept shilling her shitty "healthy bdsm" fixed version of it at the end of each chapter
No. 2505754
>>2505748Nah
nonny i watched it for the sakuga and there is fanservice up until the end.
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>>2505770I find it funny how the translators try to make Duna into this merciless cold hearted rapist bitch and the moid as a poor widdle
victim who deserves none of this when he was a raging misogynist who fucked up the FL's career because of a vendetta. an example of the translator's endless seething kekk, funnily enough the GL sidestory teaser chapter hardly has any A/N unless its to complain about Duna.
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>>2505830I don't feel like I can relate to someone if they have really bad taste in music or what they listen to makes me think they have limited imagination, brain function, whatever. Something's off
No. 2505921
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>>2505233They only really annoy me when they go off on normal people or other SA
victims, not antis, for voicing their dislike of certain edgy stuff and calling them puritan or some bullshit to guilt trip them.
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ok i'm not one to be all "how dare you want to ship two white guys" but what's the appeal of ships like this. they look the same
No. 2505977
>>2505727Does anyone actually read her shitty "fixed" fanfic?
>>2505535What's wrong with their faces? They look like dinner plates.
No. 2506089
>>2506073I don't understand how so many women don't enjoy the idea of making a man suffer for them? It's a very intimate (and hot) to know that a man would do ANYTHING to please and impress you.
And also, why do you somehow understand the "appeal" of maledom? Why doesn't seeing woman being abused make your blood boil?
No. 2506099
>>2506092I understand what she said. What I'm saying is that so many women call out femdom for being
abusive and unappealing, while implicitly accepting and tolerating maledom/femsub. Again, seeing men being beaten makes her blood boil, but seeing woman doesn't? Why is that?
No. 2506129
>>2506073Men are usually physically stronger, so being in a wounded or vulnerable position gives the woman a bigger safety net and an advantage. See: all those romance scenes where the guy has been wounded and the girl is taking care of him and he finally opens up about his feelings as well or lowers his emotional barrier.
Femdom is also just hot because it inverses the usual roles or shows how confident and trusting the guy is (and doesn't have a fragile ego). Keep in mind to not look at the scrote polluted "dommy mommy does all the work for me" shit, but at hot men and female fantasies.
No. 2506156
>>2506147>Many asian fujos love drawing this kind of thing and I just don't get the appeal.I like this (don't judge me, lol) and for me it's more of a "revenge" thing than something erotic, tbh. I was exposed to pretty fucked up porn at a young age due to unrestricted internet use—I remember being so traumatized by it at first before getting eventually desensitized by it as time went on.
I wanted what was happening to those women to happen to men as a way for them "to taste their own medicine". The reverse, of a woman "raping" a man, isn't as good because you know scrotes sexualize that shit—and like the posters said fem""dom"" is often just a woman serving a man.
I'm not surprised that Eastern fujos are into that, East Asia is sexist as fuck and I'm 80% sure mob × bishie is their way of coping.
(derailing) No. 2506177
>>2506156That makes a lot of sense but wouldn't bishie abusing the mob be better then?
I am from one of the most misogynistic shitholes too, and atleast that is what I would prefer. Because 3dpd men vehemently hate and feel threatened by bishies while the pig-like faceless mob character is someone they easily relate to and self-insert as, due to their rapeape tendencies and ugliness.
No. 2506248
>>2506177Regardless of looks, they self insert into the what would be the "main character."
Not too mention isn't that just asking to want to see ugly mob bastards getting fucked? Do you really want to see close ups of their buttholes and crying ahegao face?
No. 2506272
>>2506089Ryona is next to go on the chopping block of moralfagging.
It's too connected to fujoshit, it "centers men" and it hurts yume/het feelings. I wouldn't be surprised if moralfagging over it and how "violence to a bishie has irl psychological effects and hurts minorities and is misogynistic" becomes inescapable in a couple of years.
No. 2506276
>>2506272??
It's already dead in the west because of that, I only see asian art of it. Also I'm a yume that likes it and I know fujos that dislike it and want coffeeshop AU ships only lol
No. 2506388
>>2506248>they self insert into the what would be the "main character."Yeah it’s unfathomably based when they draw male self-inserts getting that treatment like Denji and Toji. But it honestly makes me sad when I see qt characters like Kaworu or Kaveh, or those guys from LaDS getting assaulted by fat ugly hairy bastards. Like I highly doubt any dude is self-inserting as them. Right now Phainon/Mydei is the fotm yaoi pairing that’s popular among women, and even though Phainon is clearly the self-insert of the main writer, it’s Mydei who gets all the mob fanart.
>Do you really want to see close ups of their buttholes and crying ahegao face?Kek of course not. I mean, if this particular blend of porn is not a sexual thing and just a revenge fantasy for women who want to see 3D men getting humiliated and put in their place, so I made this assumption. I just felt that the fugly male character who is closer to a 3dpd scrote getting absolutely abused would make more sense. Anyway, I think I am being too autistic over porn so I will stop here.
No. 2506710
>>2506706Rule of thumb
>batjokes shippers are fakebois>superbat shippers are regular fujos>brudick shippers are stacysThey self inserting as Bruce to fuck the Joker is pretty funny but I could see it.
No. 2506723
>>2506707Eh, you can still find trannies in those genres and the related A-Pop genre they're just very significantly less common.
>>2506710>>2506717I thought they self inserted into the Joker?
No. 2506726
>>2506723>I thought they self inserted into the Joker?No, if you look at the way they talk and draw him they definitely are more into him than Bruce kek.
I think there’s a level of weird skin walking since a lot of them write him as FTM but the still are attracted to him at the end of the day.
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>>2506089>>2506075>>2506129but my problem is that bdsm is fundamentally cringe. maledom is of course worse but even without abuse it would still be cringe, i would probably die of cringe if someone called me mommy or if i had to call them daddy/mommy
No. 2507008
>>2506988Nta but can you please shut the fuck up? We get it, women that don't have your taste are total porn addicts with disgusting brain rot unlike your super IQ self insert shit.
What level of mental retardation are we at when people are moralfagging about
Genshin Impact males getting hurt in drawings? It's all so fucking stupid.
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God I hate pedo pickmes and their moid incel "feminist" buddies. What even makes a woman want to sexualize a 12 year old girl from a Nintendo game? That's assuming it's not a moid cosplaying as a woman online
No. 2507210
>>2507201>it's impossible to be in a fandom nowadays without being some sort of porn addictNTA but your experiences (luckily) aren't universal. In which fandoms are you nowadays were it's impossible to not be horny? I get you in the sense that a lot of fanworks nowadays -specially when it comes to fanfic- is porn-y, but there's also a huge portion that dislikes it.
I don't find hard to find people who simply create SFW art and discussions in most fandoms. The only ones I think your statement applies are fandoms for gatcha games, otome and the like, since their appeal/purpose is to make you find the characters hot so you throw your wallet at it, even if there's some story going on the main thing is the characters' appearance.
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The women and scrotes in the QRTs to this is grim to see. I guess if you disguise objectification with drag queen slang its okay to treat female characters like men do. And then on the other hand the scrotes are saying “its because of you heckin evil feminists!!” to these same retards in the QRTs kek, just two groups of utter retards
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>>2507225I am convinced that women who use that specific brand of Twitter lingo and your average incel are two sides of the same coin. I do not get the reason for this level of outrage over bland female characters. I have never seen male characters being put on blast for not being conventionally attractive. But almost every other day, I come across posts where incels and xe/xim gendie women are collectively raging over plain female characters. Like, I came across this fanart which I admit is not exactly appealing, but I fail to understand the seethe over it. And I say this as someone who was there when Natasha posted her first Fionna draft on /co/. It is just fanart. Both women and neckbeards are fighting monsters in their head over how this random piece of art somehow means that fictional women are forcibly being desexualized or something. It is insane.
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>>2507225Blazers aren't supposed to sit on you like a cheap "sexy" holloween costume wtf?
The "decuntification" yeah some fits are a bit bland but at least I'm not looking at a fetish. If anything, the blazer in the show looks accurate to how i've seen irl women wear it.
I hate these goo-goo gaa-gaa retards, why are you complaining?
>>2507003The cat
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>>2507225This suddenly reminded me of when scrotes threw a meltdown on twitter because this Angela character wasn't attractive enough for them. I'm not into Silent Hill, much less an expert on wtf is going on in the lore, but I'm pretty sure her attractiveness isn't what you're supposed to be paying attention to.
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>>2507284>a lot of shows nowadays take away all of their female characters swagDo these people live in an alternate reality? They talk as if sexy female characters are some kind of extinct thing, when they are literally the norm and can be found everywhere, from 3dpd western stuff to weebshit.
No. 2507311
>>2507293New one actually looks her age while old ver looks 40, but of course scrotes are malding that the strung out abuse
victim doesn't look like a 12 year old anime girl
No. 2507337
>>2505431I don't really give a fuck. I just enjoy whatever I like even if it's flawed. Moralfags are obnoxious and expect you to only like their list of approved "pure" media. If you have any differing tastes and opinions you're basically expected to not enjoy anything if you go by their standards because they assume all women must only like whatever they like and deem appropriate for consumption.
>>2505764She must be talking about Rock wa Lady no Tashinami Deshite.
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Are these people retarded? It’s been straight since the 70s, anyone who bothered to look up Rose of Versailles would know it’s a classic shojo where she falls in love with a guy. I can understand having issues with the writing, but if you seriously expected yuri that’s your fault kek.
No. 2507431
>>2505777This is insane. I had to find a spanish translation of another manga because the english scanlators were too lazy to keep going and thought the story was too '
problematic.' It's been like this since 2019, it feels like.
No. 2507503
>>2507435I mean, I'm not a ryonafag myself but they
are better, kek. I cannot stress enough how retarded the moid brain is (and how much they can't separate fiction from reality), their female counterparts are intrinsically better by default. I'm sorry if somebody drew your blorbo getting impaled or whatever.
No. 2507634
>>2507603So? you're all degenerates
>>2507495Yes I can that's the whole point
(fujo sperging outside of containment) No. 2507640
>>2507435>the problem is that you lot pretend you're better than men I'm not pretending.
>men who get off to fictional women's sufferingBecause men also get off to real women's suffering. Not a hard conclusion to come to.
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>>2507725I never understood that if I get interested in a fandom through fanart or a fanfic I tend to consume all of it to understand the dynamic and plot points I mean ..isnt that fun to do? Why would you not engage with the fandom original material?
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>>2504482this made me remember that i used to play crk a few years ago. only remembered that game existed because i saw fujotifs freak out over the blue jester a while back kekk
No. 2508319
>>2505266I'll do you one better nonna, more than half of manga and anime is thinly veiled pedophilia and the nerve of the average enjoyer to call out anyone for being
problematic is wild
No. 2508362
>>2508309This shit grinds my fucking gears like nothing else. "I never played/watched X media, but I think the character is like this and has this relationship with this character and if you disagree with me you're um wrong and a bigot" yeah I know you never actually played/watched it and skipped over like 90% of it normie, because if you had actually invested into it you'd know what you just said was utter bullshit.
Heaven help you if you try to make them aware of what the actual character or relationship dynamic is actually like, that's too inconvenient to accept. It irritates me because having headcanons (fully knowing they are headcanons) is one thing, spreading bullshit, lies and misinformation about the story and passing it off as canon to people who never actually engaged with the media (and therefore eat all the bullshit up) is another. This is how we get accusations of "queerbaiting" even when the media never once actually fucking hinted at a gay relationship at all, the fandom is just too far up their own delusional asses to acknowledge it was a headcanon.
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God I hate what gender ideology has done to fandoms. "Haremfagging encouraged! It's progressive poly rep uwu" and I bet despite having a rule against underaged characters they still put them with the child gerudo for a threesome with the moid protag for "desert", to the joy of the incels who don't care it's supposedly meant to be progressive. How is having them fuck everyone in the game even remotely focused on the ship in question anymore? Heaven forbid you only support one pairing in fandom today, apparently you have to like everything and be fine with other ships being crosstagged and shoved in your face, defeating the point of trying to filter and stay away from ships you just don't like. Because clearly, you must only dislike those other ships because you're a bigot or something.
And lmao, love how pride month is only about men with 4 girlfriends and trannies now.
No. 2508462
>>2508445I think this is fine, it's just that the people nonas are referring to don't take the extra step of getting into the thing. They fly with 4th hand knowledge at best and dilute the fandom spaces, are generally disruptive and just don't act normal when people try to enjoy the thing they're into.
Sometimes these types of people forget that fans aren't there to hear about their headcanons, they are there to engage with the source material and through that, ideas. Not from people who thought it looked cool and wanted to be in something and then went no further
Not trying to be aggro nona just explaining
No. 2508471
>>2508462>Sometimes these types of people forget that fans aren't there to hear about their headcanons, they are there to engage with the source material and through that, ideas.There are fandom spaces for meta posting and in depth discussions, but they've never been the most popular aspect of fandoms, for the most part. When I get into fandoms, I really do love talking about headcanons, from what I think a characters sleeping habits would be, to what they'd study in college, ect., and so, I enjoy seeing what other people write too. I've seen a few anons say they don't get noncanon shipping or AUs or anything like that, which just comes off to me as a lack of imagination.
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I hate this horrible combination of troonism and fujoism(fujo bait)
No. 2508570
>>2508514I've read it, iirc the older brother doesn't really talk to the younger brother at all, something about how he's weak and must
ascend with the football or some shit. The younger brother is an angry autist.
Actual fujo wise, the older brother (the not a tranny) is usually considered a bottom and the younger brother is usually top but does get shipped as bottom with the mc (the right pair). Not into the west side of the fandom though.
No. 2508651
>>2508471Ayrt and don't mistake, I agree with you about thinking about non canon stuff. I don't engage in anything online but I have text files, notebooks, drawings, etc full of AUs, non canon, my own thoughts and expansions to the characters and their worlds even connecting them to other series and meta… But at the same time, the type of fan I'm making this point about are people who don't have the basis of knowing the canon. People who see a character or go off of thing-core style brainless tiktok memes or something and infect a fandom space with it. Maybe it's because series give me so much to think about, it's very difficult to imagine engaging so shallowly in something to the point that they don't even engage, they just ride off of meme posts and fandoms they don't engage in as an extention of their attention seeking behaviors online.
I think that's what it is at its base, that this boils down to "look at me and what I'm into" but they aren't. I think that actually engaging with the things theyre sperging so loudly is the bare minimum of a request.
No. 2508674
>>2504673>I remember the fandom used to think this character was non binary, but it was then "revealed" he was a man in an event. kek this post reminded me of an anti-Devsisters tumblr blog that would try to look for something "
problematic" every single time the game updated. that blog was also one of the people that complained about Devsisters """"misgendering""""" cinnamon cookie because his newest costume at the time called him a bunny boy. Looking back I think it was just projection because one of the mods
who now draws touhou fat fetish art "kinned" dark choco along with cinnamon cookie and would always get really mad whenever someone didn't use they/them pronouns on those two
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pathetic
No. 2510847
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>>2510840Umm… thanks for letting us know, I guess.
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I honestly wonder if these kinds of commentators even remember the canon versions of the ships they obsess over, like they probably see viktor as an ultra-feminine, young woman rather than the sickly-looking man he actually is.
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>gk blew up on twitter
>a 12 year old girl whо was borm in a tribe amd meiji era
>they headcanon her as trans
I hope these motherfuckers a-log themselves. I am afraid what they'll think of Ogata. Anime adaptation has failed to capture the important moments that show some of the character dynamics and such, so it's gonna get even worse.
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who wants to bet the "brother" is also a tif
No. 2511648
>>2511594>starscream as the dead babyEven when he was constructed
aka born in nerd transformers speak the same time as megatron? Can these fucktards read the actual material before pretending to be fans?
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thoughts?(fujo bait)
No. 2511718
>>2511594this would be the worst rendition of ghost-starscream, hands down
>>2511648tbf canon ages are usually vague and continuity-dependent, so I don't think that's really the main sticking point here kek
No. 2512165
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googling ao3 and the first result besides the site itself being harry potter fanfic is so funny. no one cares about tranner feelings
No. 2512181
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I feel like fandom still has the female version of "reddit sexuality" where they can't just normally talk about regular heterosexual ships. they have to subvert it by making the guy fat, short, bald and or ultra feminised even though he's not canonically depicted as that. the woman has to be his "mommy dommy" or something and can't show attraction like a normal person. I don't even know how this started but it got really bad about 3-5 years ago.
No. 2512335
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>>2512181here's the definition usually used for moids
No. 2512339
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>>2512335here's an example
No. 2512383
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>>2512187Hyuna is 27 and her age isn’t that much of a stretch for me. She reminds me of other 27-28 year olds I know, including her attitude and facial features. But Luka I see him as like those plastic unnatural-looking 30-something idols kek
No. 2512438
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>>2512415fake bi/lesbian detected
No. 2512450
>>2512421To reach the muscle definition portrayed in pictures like these
>>2512346 >>2512339 you need to surpass a level of leaness that garantees tit loss, especially since the breasts are mostly fat. Plus when you get nice devloped pecs your boobs sort of blend into them, making them seem smaller.
Source: me>>2512438Horrid bolt ons ew
No. 2512546
>>2512187IRl the signs of aging can be quite subtle and it would be unrealistic to expect illustrations to be able to capture small details like fine lines and periorbital fat loss. That's why a lot of illustrations defaults to shortcuts to denote age (like making the women more curvaceous with age or giving men facial hair) but a lot of those shortcuts are often unrealistic.
If you're going to draw adults in their 30s who aren't rough as shit and mildly fashionable they are going to look similar to teenagers in most simplified art styles. Not every artist wants to do things like giving a guy a mustache just because he turned 30.
No. 2512594
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Anyone else realized that only westerners take offense to ''animufied'' or light-hearted reimaginations/fandomization of war events and war related stuff? i have been thinking about how the countryball ''fandom'' is hated and problematic in the west while hetalia and other anime/games that make moe gijinkas of blattleships, tanks, and aircrafts are beloved and insanely popular in Japan. So many westerners(cof cof addy) have such a hateboner towards things like Hetalia, meanwhile japanese games make animu waifu gijinkas of battleships that were extremely anti-japanese, like the USS wahoo, which had a row of flags that were meant to represents all the japanese ships sunken by it. I would expect Japan of all countries to be the more sensitive about WWII.
No. 2512761
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>>2512181The tried and true method is to headcanon whatever M/F pairing as both bisexual and therefore a queer qouple(TM). If people can do it for the Lannisters in ASOIAF they'll do it for anything
No. 2512840
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>>2512594As a historyfag I couldn't give less of two shits about fictionalising military persons and historical events but I cannot fucking stand that the only interpretation moids seem creative enough to come up with time and time again is the slutty navy ship anime girl No.267489, like your picrel. They always have 0 historical accuracy whatsoever, moids who play these games and pretend to have an edgelord interest in history should be relentlessly mocked the same way women who fake an interest in literature for the aesthetic are bullied online. If I could I would take a molotov cocktail to the HQ of every military waifuslop gacha company in existence and watch them burn down with glee.
No. 2512845
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>>2512840Azur lane is shit but their version of the USS Arizona is fucking hilarious, i cant help but love the absurdity of making an animu girl version of one of the ships that were sunk in pearl harbour and giving her a belt that resembles the actual memorial for the event. KC at least maintains the military theme amongst the characters, but azur lane is straight up slop. Moelitary slop is my biggest guilty pleasure so i am biased, i wish more otaku women were into it i would kill for male versions of moeslop like strike witches, kancolle and gup.
No. 2512851
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>>2512845>i would kill for male versions of moeslop like strike witches, kancolle and gupGross.
No. 2512855
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>>2512848Her design is insane. She looks(and is) generic as shit to the untrained eye but if you know anything about the ship and its history it becomes insanely funny and so utterly bizarre
>her crying is a reference to ''the tears of arizona'' from the oil thats still leaking after the wreck>she's sitting on the part of the ship that was struck by japanese plane and made the ship explode and sink>the fucking memorial belt>most of her quotes are depressing as shit, ruminating about the tragic eventThe other kancolle waifus are fucking ugly and trashy so it took me by surprise to see how well designed(for a shitty waifubait) USS Arizona is.
>>2512851You ship mio with that minna bislut your opinion literally doesnt matter.
No. 2512862
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>>2512855Minna is a reformed ex-heterosexual, Miopussy cured her wicked ways forever. Now leave muh military CGDCT alone, you already have military themed bishie shit everywhere. Go jerk it to shogun faggots or something.
No. 2512890
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>>2512877>sengoku basara, tokuen ranbu, galactic heroes, whole fucking gundam and most of the mecha genre, every anime adaptation of JP wars plus six gorillion more anime i'm not even aware ofYou've got both serious and non-serious full of scrote characters in military/war settings, I don't get the complaint. Meanwhile military anime with female leads and mostly female cast is limited to GUP, Haifuri, KanColle, Azure Lane, Strike Witches, Upotte, Sengoku Collection, Sora no Woto, Kotobuki, Izetta, Toji, and a couple mecha like AKB, WfM. Maybe throw in Bee Train's girls with guns too if you're desperate.
No. 2512899
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>>2512891You can always watch one of the dozens of high production WWII movies.
>All of that is cringe samurai slopIt's cringe and boring because it has m*les in it. Shit hits different when it's cute girls in high stakes homoerotic friendships.
No. 2512901
>>2512890Gundam has been lost to the yuri, it is kinda funny that all the male stuff you listed are all pretty old and scifi/samurai and not what was asked for.
You should have mentioned Golden Kamui, at least.
No. 2512907
>>2512899Its boring because only japanese people find japanese history interesting.
>>2512901>Golden KamuiGK doesnt have cute male characters. The only male equivalents are Hetalia, Aoharu x Kikanjuu and that one failed animu about gun gijinkas. Waifufags live on easy mode.
No. 2512909
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>>2512901Literally ONE(1) instance is yuri (and highly sanitized) you retarded hetshitter, two if you count the ancient VN I guess.
>You should have mentioned Golden Kamui, at least.I don't watch shit with m*les in it.
>>2512906I can't arse myself to give a shit about scrote characters they are literally not interesting. If someone gotta die for tearjerking purposes it better be a female character so I can care.
(infighting) No. 2512911
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>>2512909Yuri/waifufags live on easy mode and still complain.
No. 2512912
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>>2512907Waifufags think that the mere existence of male characters is equivalent to their waifus when there is a 20% chance across the board of a male character being even remotely husbando material. Plus I have never seen a female anime character in my life who is ugly or isn’t at least designed to satisfy some moid’s hyperspecific fetish.
No. 2512913
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>>2512911You literally have all of yaoi at your disposal which rivals the waifu industry. Just husbando some AIDS-ridden faggot. And anyway, when companies decide to create all-bishie cast media it always panders to hettoid women. We lesbians have to live in a society.
No. 2512916
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>>2512913> Yaoi rivals the waifu industry Holy kek. There’s no way you genuinely believe that, Nona.
No. 2512917
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>>2512915The yaoi industry is not minuscule either. The only reason yaoi flops in anime is because the medium is controlled by moids so all the yaoi out there is low production value and fujos also won't buy the fucking brurays. Same with motherfuckingg shoujo there are a gazillion shoujoslop magazines with ripe bishies, you could husbando a stoic rapist Sasuke clone any time.
No. 2512933
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>>2512919>GquacksKek it's not yuri where the fuck are you getting this from, some retarded delusional tranny with soldered goggles or what.
>>2512924>The BL division of Mappa just closed, yuripedo. The YOI movie got cancelled despite the BDs selling like hot cakes. We get one real BL anime every few years. Its over.Is this the fujoshart shoah.
>There isnt a single yaoi equivalent to stuff like valkyrie driveI remember getting my eyes raped by fujos in a forum that posted a porny yaoi anime when I was 13 so I'm sure it exists and it precedes VD.
No. 2512939
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>>2512936And fujos will cope and seethe.
(fujo bait) No. 2512945
>>2512929>Three million waifusYou don't have to make up stuff if you didn't actually want a rec. Almost all teams in the series have a ratio of 3 guys to 1 girl, the series has a very popular female fanbase because of the large amount of male characters to choose from. That being said, I should have known better than to actually try to give a rec in this place.
>>2512933If the og Gundam counts despite Char and Amuro having female love interests, then yurifags should count the opposite. You're a grown up, you can handle a newtype that's probably going to die.
No. 2512954
>>2512939Nona you are literally the archetype of the obnoxious yurifag who drags down your own community in the eyes of everyone else by constantly sperging about how lewding women makes you a
victim, please reflect and do better for the sake of all the friendly and normal himejoshis out there
No. 2513019
>>2512890None of the male focused anime you mentioned are moe, the nonna you were responding to specified moeslop.
Pedantic note: naming two times as many female focused military slop as you did male focused ones does not help your argument kek
and you only mentioned actual anime, if you got into VNs you would have even more stuff for your taste.
No. 2513029
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>>2508409The way the TIF handmaiden that made this calls any discussion of misogyny "demonizing men" and then posts this. People like her piss me off so bad. They don't even know what radfems stand for lmao
No. 2513033
>>2513029several times while working in childcare I could tell the scrotelets would grow to be
abusive because of the way they treated each other and especially girls and if I tried to correct them, the parents would tell me off because they're learning this shit at home. she sounds like boymoms who think boys can do no wrong whatsoever.
No. 2513053
>>2513033She does sound exactly like them. And she says shit like this while having the audacity of calling other people in the fandom "bootlickers" for being straight/in a straight relationship or liking "cishet" headcanons of characters instead of trans ones. That makes you a "straight bootlicker" to her, but men can do no wrong and are oppressed, apparently.
Also stated on an alt blog that at work she got mad when parents of the children under her care referred to her as a woman or asked when or if she would have kids of her own (this made her mad enough to make a comic about it, apparently), and implicated she teaches the kids trans ideology.
Also despite the "cishet booklicker" thing, her and her friends defend lolishit and haremslop the scrotes in the fandom love, and their group seems to think everyone in the fandom should be okay with seeing every single ship and every kink in the tag for one of them, or you're an evil sex-negative puritan bigot. I'm fucking tired of these brats. If this is what all fandom is now and who you have to deal with at cons, then I really feel like giving up. You can't even try to curate and maintain boundaries by blocking because they whine about mass-blocking, too.
No. 2513103
>>2513076Genuinely insane how black/white fandom became. What happened to the "Dead Dove" warning? Why are people suddenly acting like it's the hardest thing in the world to just not interact with content and users they KNOW they don't like? It has to be teenagers being the main culprits of acting like nothing uncomfortable is allowed to exist on the internet, but what actually
started this wave?
No. 2513105
>>2513063How very typical of "proshippers" in my experiences with them. They are usually hypocrites. It's all "respect preferences" until someone simply doesn't like their porn of kids or want to create it.
I once used to be on their side of "just fiction" until I met so many of them (especially moids) that are definitely not beating the allegations "antis" throw at them. I'm talking "erm well aksually the irl age of consent in x country is-" tier excuses.
Honestly, the whole "what you make doesn't reflect who you are" was copium anyway if you ask me. You gravitate towards certain things for a reason and you put some part of yourself into what you make. It's the closest you can get to someone straight up telling you their life story, fetishes, beliefs, politics etc because they, either consciously or subconsciously, put all of that into their work. A conservative christian will always write a painfully religious view of a relationship, and these tumblr types think sharing your partner with a dozen people is what a "healthy relationship" looks like. They put that into their writefagging and they will never write the opposite.
No. 2513123
>>2513103I would care less about all this, personally, if people actually tagged that shit appropriately, and didn't cross-tag with every ship in existence. But they do not do that, and in fact to the most "sex-positive" "pro-kink" users, again, you are clearly just a puritain sex-negative loser uber virgin if you want to avoid it and not glaze it as like, sooo much cooler and better than that boring vanilla shit amirite
As for not interacting, they can't help it. They want the fighting lol, so they can pretend they furthered activism by beating up le evil nazi in their fandom
No. 2513152
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>>2513105I can't stand both antis and proshippers, but proshippers still make me laugh when they go on and on about how they love pissing off antis just to up and nuke everything one day. So these guys can draw abuse, rape, murder, beastiality, loli and shotashit, but have a mental breakdown when a few random zoomers say they don't like them? This wraps back around to the point I was trying to make here
>>2505233proshippers would be more respectable if they stopped trying to make their weird shit "justified" or more than what it is.
To especially stop using their own trauma as a truly embarrassing reason of "I draw this to cope". They need to relearn Life 101, in that not everyone HAS to like them, the art, the fanfics, or the fucked up little headcanons they put out. Bottom line is, I personally think antis and zoomers need to practice not interacting with artists/writers they don't like, but I do think proshippers should get over themselves when people naturally think their gross and questionable art is gross and questionable.
No. 2513254
>>2513103Nta and this reply got long but as someone who was into fandom the "dead dove" fans kept mistagging (or not tagging) their shit and then acting offended when people were disgusted by the unwanted fetish. Cuntboy/dickgirl (aka "trans male character"/"trans female character") are the current main tools of this type of drama. These types of fans love to derail and misinterpret your reaction too just to prolong the argument instead of being mature and taking responsibility for their own actions, they act so smug about it thinking they've epically pwn'd you but instead they're just alienating yet another person in their life and feeding the cycle of their own isolation kek. Like I saw on tumblr once that femslash fans were talking about the amount of futa in the f/f tag and a tranny claimed that "ackchually there are hoards of trans fetishising bi women who write the most futa! I'm innocent and they give me a bad name!!" Like stfu LMAO they never want to take responsibility for their own actions.
Fandom has always been full of some of the most degenerate people who could never make it in the real world so they use the online as a massive crutch, but now it's cool to be the ~best worst degenerate~ and be into pedophilia and rape and defending pedophiles and rapists and "if you don't like my cuntboy/dickgirl rape fetish fic then you're literally a bigot
terf bitch who needs to loosen up and stop being so sex negative" and it's just so tiring. Some people's worldviews are so fucked that I wish every fandom had a job interview test to see if someone is a good fit before they're allowed to join the community and contribute art and fic kek. I wish I could host my own forum for these purposes tbh.
Oh also I forgot to mention that talentless retards will bully actual fancreators for not adhering to their delusions. I'm a femslash fan but the twitards are crazy and bullied that one Infinity Nikki fangirl who wrote a hetfic to the point she apologised and abandoned it. I read hetfic too and during Star Wars I liked Rey and Kylo's shared ability and wanted to check out other fan's imaginations but the highest kudos'd fic tagged as ReyLo just said "Rey is a lesbian" or something kek. There's "humour" and then there's "being annoying". Also male characters who wear makeup get transwashed and suddenly every fic about that male character gets comments saying "she's a transwoman!!! Make sure you update her pronouns !!" Even on fics with 500k-1Million words lmao. And these "fans" are relentless. It's tiring. That's what I mean by fandoms should have job interviews. Y'know that meme that's like "let people enjoy things!" Well these people do not deserve to enjoy things. They should be actively prevented from enjoying things. Gatekept from enjoying things. Mostly because they seem miserable even when they claim to enjoy things and want everyone else to be just as miserable as them. Exhausting. If someone uses fandom as a tool to egotrip with rather than a tool to meet people with and have fun then they should get kicked.
No. 2513298
>>2513254Isn't nikki like barbie? She doesn't have canon sexuality, meaning she can be whoever you want her to be? The moment infinity nikki launched was the day more assholes came in and started to shit up the space. Nikki being gay wasn't a unheard theory but it was confined to it's own space where any interpretation was
valid. While now, Troons are having meltdowns over male npcs–especially pretty ones–just existing. Like, how do these people even function? And don't get me started with actual scrotes trying to sexualize nikki or driving away women from a hobby that once belonged to them. It's sad to see given the update drama going on.
No. 2513408
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>>2512594Both Japan and Korea are sensitive to anything that could be "imperialist japan", to the point of censorship. For example the "taisho roman" outfit drama in ffxiv saw some koreans demand the outfit get removed from global even though they have their own, completely seperate server. Sebonzakura is removed from non-japanese Asian releases of project diva. I know there's been ship removals in the waifu games and fgo drama too. And the big drama in cn where a va visited a shrine where war criminals were buried (in addition to other non controversial things to be clear) and mentioned it casually, which made her get instantly blacklisted by the entire cn game industry. China also censors the "rising sun" flag and anything that looks like it. I know mili had drama once where she unintentially had something like the flag in the bg of a mv and got a bunch of people flipping out.
For Japan I know they had a bunch of hand wringing about Oppenheimer that delayed the release, but they did let it go through.
If anything westerners are less bad, since it's just people pearl clutching on Twitter not actual censorship.
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>>2513408Ah I can't believe I forgot but for hetalia, there was shitloads of drama around Korea especially to the point where the character was removed from the anime adaptations. I'm pretty sure China had drama too but it's been 300 years.
>>2513416My understanding there is it's a hot button issue that gets exploited for Korean nationalism, so it becomes a "you are offending my country's honor" not merely "my personal feelings are hurt." I have some sympathy because japan should really take its war crimes more seriously but also holy shit, it's not even your server they literally didn't even need to see it in their game. And the outfit was normal clothing for Japan at the time so the nazi uniform comparisons were way overboard. Stop playing Japanese fantasy games if you can't handle them referencing historical Japanese outfits.
>>2513423Japan literally denies the comfort women thing to the point where they want a statue in Germany removed, what does most of what you just said have to do with fandom.
As I said in my post, most westerners crying is just that, crying.
Do you want me to defend moid gooners who want nazi sub waifus from being bullied by Twitter or something? Let them fight.
No. 2513510
>>2512917I think fujo industry flop because most fujo prefer fanon idealized ships that will never be canon in anime because its from shows made for moids. Trigun Stampede leaned a bit with the yaoi bait, and so did Dr. Stone among others, but these will never go beyond some bait because they are franchises/manga/anime for men and boys. Fujo need to venture into genre meant for them to get fulfillment, but I feel part of the fantasy is knowing it will never be canon? It gives them the drive to make it "canon" themselves through art.
In romance a lot of people prefer the journey, not the destination, this applies to het, yaoi and yuri alike. It doesn't help that writing satisfying romances is not an easy feat for most writers.
No. 2513569
>>2513541Tbf, it's also because penis is a lot harder to get around than barbie doll vagina and bl manga take decades to finish if they ever get around to it.
Danmei has done fairly well in the animation space though, despite being pretty heavily censored.
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>>2512917I don't think we're really in disagreement but I really want to complain that a lot of the time it seems like the only option female fans have is Blu-rays, which is ass. I like toys! I like Gundam for example, Bandai has a multiple lines of human kits, but they're literally all waifus or ugly moids like dbz. Char is beloved by men and women but the only model kit he got was some 80s unpainted statue? Really? My only other options are some pricy dolls from 3rd parties that may or may not even be licensed, and an unreleased action figure that was in limbo with 0 news for a decade. What the fuck? Meanwhile I can buy a bunch of cheap, nice kits of random anime and gundam waifus, complete panties and weirdly detailed navels. Waifus get kits before it's even shown if they're popular or not, they just get them preemptively. I'm actively trying to give them money and they're not even doing the bare minimum! And I often see little effort to pander to female fans (in general not gundam specific) with more specific merch like clothing/accessory collabs, cuter dolls, stationary etc. Then female fans are blamed for not being vocal/supportive enough. I hear people say women don't like plamo all the time, where's the quick entry cute boy kits? Oh yeah, they don't exist. Almost no cute male kits exist whatsoever. They fucking hate women.
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>>2513760There's definitely a market for it. BJD (Ball Jointed Doll) companies make a ton of licensed dolls of male characters, particularly ones from Chinese dramas.
No. 2513980
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>>2513760A massive chunk of BJD hobby is bishies ranging from cute and slim to buff though? There's even more variation with the kinds of boys you can get now. Although things have shifted more towards muscular looking dolls recently.
>>2513576I 100% agree with you about plamo. I would kill for something like 30 minute sisters but with boys. Not the same thing but in a similar vein, There are a couple of Daibadi Polynian robot boy figures like Alvin, Emil, Shamrock, and Lucio but they seem to be more targeted towards gay moids imo. Especially Shamrock.
No. 2514023
>>2514002I think this is very normal. I enjoy some stuff that would get me called "
problematic" but there's tons of stuff I find upsetting as well. I just block accordingly, both antis who I think would jump me, and proshippers who post stuff that grosses me out.
It takes a certain kind of person to get involved in proship/anti wars in the first place imo. To me it's really not a big deal for a woman to think that maybe twincest or an age gap is hot from time to time, as long as she seems sane otherwise, while men should be punished for thinking about sex at all.
No. 2514068
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>>2514024One day, I should ask one of these proshippers the specific breakdown of how rape and abuse fantasies are their cope. Like, what is the psychological mechanic of projecting onto characters and writing/drawing them beating or raping each other in order to "cope" with sexual or other physical trauma?
No. 2514156
>>2514068it’s not at all uncommon for
victims to cope like this. the actual question should be on whether it’s a “good cope” (it’s not). just because something’s a cope doesn’t make it healthy. stuff like this is just self harm
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That's literally a harem retard. Jesus christ these tumblr people trying to white-wash haremtrash scenarios with "polyamorryyy" is obnoxious. They act like putting a progressive label on it magically makes it not misogynistic slop
No. 2514228
>>2514199But if you say that anywhere else nona they'll call you a conservative nun who has never had sex and hates gay people kek
I'm not going to ship Zelda with that twink at all at this point if everyone wants her to be a completely cucked housewife to deadbeat scrote Link so bad. I'm gonna start shipping her with the off-screen scribe girl in the past who has a crush on her.
No. 2514240
>>2514068Not sure if you're actually asking, or if this is a rhetorical meant to get like-minded replies, but it's a control thing. Drawing or writing it can feel like a retaking of control, where abuse and SA can often entirely derail a
victims life and it's difficult to get people to actually take your symptoms as the serious signs of trauma they are, especially as more and more time passes since the event. People think you should just "be over it" already, but you're not, and you still have to function in your day to day, so what's just drawing a bit of abuse on paper? It can be a cathartic release for a lot of people, a reminder that it's over and they're in control now. It can also work as a processing of the event, drawing and writing about it can help one understand what happened and realize it wasn't their fault, as a lot of
victims have self blame and are forced to keep it all inside for various reasons, such as fear of ridicule,
victim blaming, or even feeling that they need to protect their abuser. The fictional content can have a sort of "this isn't me, this is someone else" sort of effect, and help someone who is still reeling and struggling to deal with these emotions and events to process them in a way that feels safer. People have different reasonings and can't really just be all lumped together in the same category. I despise the "proship" and "antiship" argument for that reason, human psychology cannot be so easily explained by these black and white political fandom camps, it's not really anyone else's business but the
victim if a certain coping mechanism is working for them. It's not always self harm, but repression certainly is.
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>>2514002>does anyone feel in the middle? Yes, that used to be the average fan's mindset around a decade ago. Maybe still is and is just drowned out by the loud obnoxious minority
No. 2514413
>>2514242>Maybe still is and is just drowned out by the loud obnoxious minorityIt seems like it. Most normie fans I've talk to either just liked the series or didn't make a huge deal over minor "
problematic" things. Only pro and antis, with their chronically online brains, seem to make wars out of minor age gaps or whatever or not this creator is evil for a lukewarm take.
No. 2514485
>>2514002I like some weird shit like omegaverse but I think proshippers are annoying.
Can’t deny though that I think they can write some pretty sexy fics which is way more than you can say for the “anti” crowd since they just sperg about hating AO3 all day.
No. 2514597
>>2514002i’m proship but only for women, men shouldn’t even be in fandom in the first place. the only point i feel torn on other than that is surprise tranny content. i strongly disagree about fanfiction needing to be tagged with warnings if the author doesn’t want to since it harms storytelling and leads to retarded demands and shit like people now doing
trigger warnings in irl books. however, nothing gets me more tilted than reading an m/m fic and getting jumpscared by one of the characters being a TIF. on a deeper level i know i can just walk away from the screen but it still annoys me.
No. 2515165
>>2514597>i’m proship but only for womenThis honestly, I don't get how people see women writing about physically, emotionally and sexually
abusive men and think that in any way they support that shit in real life, but testosterone naturally makes men volatile and prone to violent outbursts so if you see a man drawing that shit then you KNOW what types of fantasies he's having. Meanwhile for women it's always some type of "I wish cruel men would just be nice to me sometimes in between the beatings and coerced sex".
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ywnbdd (you will never be daniil dankovsky)
No. 2515362
>>2514068people are literally replying to you
>>2514074 .
>>2514240 with the nonsensical replies they use and it's like yeah. that is what they're claiming is happening. but it doesn't make sense KEK this drives me crazy. it's like when people say "you're wrong you stupid retarded faggot (I'm mentally disabled and gay so I can reclaim these terms)." what they want to say is "it's not cultural appropriation because using faggot as an insult [in the case of "reclaiming"] or being raped [in the case of "coping"] is my culture. I have permission to do this thing that you don't"
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do you agree?
No. 2516022
>>2515696I would agree with her overall point, if she wasn't a hypocritical jesus retard.
Loud, whiny Americans just want
everything to
always only pander to their specific personal agendas all the time. Be that their severe porn addictions, conservative Christianity or tumblrfag lgbt polyam aroace hypersexual down-with-cis furry "communist" agendas. Usually some crossover of two of these things because the "christian" men are usually still pedophile porn addicts in fandom, just homophobic. Then the gendies throw a hissy fit about a straight couple being canon or the mere concept of monogamy because it's not the gay threesome they want.
Zelda is a perfect example due to how more-or-less neutral it is, being a game also deliberately aimed and targeted at young children (and therefore can't go too far in some aspects). Somebody's view of the series is practically a political compass as it is always sheer projection. Neither the conservative christian gamers nor gendies ever sound like they actually played the game for more than five minutes when they are weaponizing it for online political wars. The gendies are seemingly completely unable to understand (or accept) that the crossdressing scene was a simple joke the same as with Cloud in FF7, or the nuance in the interview they love quoting so much (where "Link is definitely male" was also said, but they tend to cut that part off kek). The christians always bring up a single ancient piece of concept art with a crucifix, but also always conveniently forget the shinto-buddism inspirations, the islamic chant in oot, or that in the actual story of the games, there is a pantheon of female goddesses worshipped, not the christian god or jesus.
Tldr: ALL of these people only see games as A) porn and B) political propaganda, or a tool for it. They are completely unable to consume them as anything else. Every game must soapbox THEIR beliefs, cater to THEIR fetish. And any conflicting information that gets in the way of such projection is conveniently ignored.
And yet, when a game like Stellar Blade or Veilguard comes out, fully catering to their side, that
still isn't good enough. I suspect because they only want the most popular, most well-known games to fully cater to them.
No. 2516031
>>2516028Nta but
>or VeilguardMen are bad, yeah, but this definitely isn't just a male only issue, hell you can see it in this thread lol.
No. 2516048
>>2516044Doubling down kinda just proves the point further tbh.
…Did you actually
like Veilguard? Yeah sure, women weren't depicted as coomslop ig but one was a tranny, please get better taste.
No. 2516145
>>2516131Agreed but
my agenda is I wish more could target none of these things primarily and just focus on an actual good story and fun gameplay
No. 2517490
>>2516857nta but unclench. it’s true that some people do lie about their reasons as an excuse but it’s also true that actual
victims do develop unhealthy coping mechanisms like this.
No. 2517678
>>2517668Just use the block button. Like I said in my previous post, you don't need to be comfortable, but you shouldn't try to dictate what these women do. It's not a "justification", it's just a fact. When you've been through abuse, it fucks up your brain for a while and when you've been exposed to
abusive scenarios far more than a reasonable person would deal with without walking away, you become addicted to it. In fact, non-
abusive scenarios can feel scarier than
abusive scenarios because your brain is anticipating the other shoe to drop. It's literally psychology. I'd far prefer these women write and illustrate these desires as opposed to returning to a real life abuser, wouldn't you? Trying to say that they're damaging other people just feels like a deflection to make it difficult for people who already have a history of difficulties standing up for themselves to argue. If something upsets you, instead of mentally self harming and exposing yourself more to prove to others how bad it is, just protect your peace and block it.
No. 2517703
>>2517678NTA but while I agree with you, I also think people who writte these kind of things should keep them private or within a small circle of friends to a certain extent. While they and other people use them to cope, there are many others (read:men) that don't, I don't think it's wise to feed rape apes and such. Honestly, it's kind of the same principle of why you shouldn't post stuff like very personal/detailed vents in big online public spaces.
Some time ago an author I trust published a fic where the MC gets raped (the author being a
victim of that herself), I decided to read it despite that being something I find very hard to stomach and it ended up being cathartic in a way (in a "glad I'm not alone" way, except in this case if someone told me she was raped I would feel terrible for her rather than relieved, but since in this case it's a fictional character, it's not as bad). But still, not everybody has to be said out loud.
No. 2517799
>>2517678Nta but with algorithms that's difficult. It's easier if people just kept their self harm private between friends and worked on themselves. It also protects them from being targeted again because abusers pick up on a vulnerable girl/woman self harming and think "nice. I can manipulate that." It's not the empowering thing you think it is. Plus seeing someone abuse themselves publicly is difficult to watch, especially when you suffer with the same obsessive-compulsive shit, because you get
triggered too. You don't put two anorexics in the same room, do you? They just both self harm together.
Plus I've never seen anyone actually improve after masturbating to rape fic. They stay stuck in the same place for years, like they're in limbo. Constantly reinforcing the past. They'll say "oh yeah it's healed me" and then in the next sentence they'll say something really unhinged which contradicts their entire claim. It makes me want to scream that what they're doing is clearly not helping in the long run and is just short-term acting out which soothes them temporarily but always comes back because the main cause is not being dealt with.
>>251777490% of yuri fanfic is futashit by trannies so that's blatantly not true. Also several kids at the youth club I volunteered at were being targeted by pedophiles because they were publishing their "cathartic" fic online and these girls thought they were being helped by these nice older men, we had to get the police involved. These men were writing their own pedofic and grooming these girls calling it "catharsis" and these girls believed it. Believe it or not publicly posting your trauma attracts the wrong crowd. There's no guidelines for what a
victim should do so it's easy to just fall into self harm patterns, but a good start is not publicly posting your trauma online for the world to see.
No. 2517812
>>2517774They do, haven't you seen the hundreds of [Female character] X Male self-insert fics? Or those autistic crossover ones? Or porn ones that get male author clocked 5 lines in because of how horribly they describe women's anatomy? I wish men didn't write or read fanfiction, most slop would go away.
I don't think you go around fandom a lot (please keep it that way, it must be so peaceful kek).
No. 2517823
>>2517799>several kids at the youth club I volunteered at were being targeted by pedophiles because they were publishing their "cathartic" fic online and these girls thought they were being helped by these nice older men, we had to get the police involved. These men were writing their own pedofic and grooming these girls calling it "catharsis" and these girls believed iti'm sorry but this sounds incredibly fake. maybe it's a me problem and i'm too naive.
>>2517812i've been reading fanfic for 15 years and i've never come across this. while i don't doubt there are some exceptions, fanfiction is undisputedly dominated by women. it kind of sounds like you're scrotefoiling a little honestly, i've seen a lot of both crossovers and bad understanding of female anatomy and sexual functions in fics that have still clearly been written by girls (most likely underage virgins but girls nonetheless).
No. 2517841
>>2517823>i'm sorry but this sounds incredibly fake. maybe it's a me problem and i'm too naive.Ayrt, that makes me angry kek but I can't make you believe something you've never experienced. If context helps it was on wattpad where commenting and DMing was allowed. However I've seen this kind of thing happen on tumblr when I was a kid myself before the porn ban. The moids there mostly targeted underage ftms.
Just to clarify, there were only two girls at the youth club that I knew about who were involved with older men so it's not like it was happening in abundance right before my eyes.
The one thing I remember most about the "cathartic fic" issue though, was when one girl, about 14, described the man she was speaking to as "He writes fiction around lgbt themes" or some shit. So I was like "is he gay?? Do I have nothing to worry about…?" So I went to his page and it was just "lesbian-to-straight" conversion fics about underage girls. The thought of a child reading that and calling it lgbt made me want to throw up at the time, no wonder there are kids nowadays who say shit like "lesbians can have sex with men" despite "lgbtq" being more prevalent than ever.
Also I wanted to add, I've been involved with online RP communities where there are lots of men who write fic. There are more out there than you think. Plenty are normal about it, but unfortunately there are predatory moids who do target young girls. Luckily the youth club were able to report the wattpad guy to the police because he'd been sending the kid money so there was a trail back to him. A more experienced volunteer (who had also experienced grooming unfortunately) was able to clock that the kid was buying lots of stuff on amazon (using the youth club computers) and questioned where she was getting the money from, since the volunteer knew the kid's mum was broke and, frankly, neglectful.
No. 2517865
>>2517823Just because you haven't seen it personaly doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It depends on what kind of media you're into though, if it's books or shows you probably get 5 men max, but for example I'm into videogames and while most fic writters are women, there are lots of men as well (I'd say 65/35 f/m split).
You seem like you only believe your own experiences though, so I will stop replying there as I don't think anything will come out from this convo.
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>4.7K likes
Is fandom slowly but surely beginning the long process of healing?
No. 2518179
>>2517774My husband wrote a huge homestuck fanfic when he was 13.
>>2517703>>2517799I do agree that the algorithm makes it extremely difficult to completely avoid shit you don't want to see, though at the same time, I feel as if telling
victims that they can't share their feelings to protect other people is harmful as well. Like it's telling them that they're damaged and they need to be quarantined for something that isn't their fault. It's because the internet is so horribly centralized right now, everything is on like, 4 websites, where minors coexist with adult content, and it's terrible. I think we should return to anthology websites and websites specialized to certain things where certain types of content are banned to protect the users so everyone actually knows what they're getting into. Maybe if there's enough push for this in fandom it can happen, like with how everyone and their grandmother is making neocities pages right now.
No. 2518269
>>2517616Fun fact, the mark of an intelligent person is not believing stupid bullshit.
The only thing worse than people with rape kinks is people with rape kinks who insist their rape kink isn't a rape kink
No. 2518294
>>2518269I'm saying there's psychology behind that shit, and the reason you look like a retard to everyone in this thread, even those who hate rapefic, is because you refuse to acknowledge that and want to die on the hill that people are only ever into rape for the fuck of it. Something can turn you on as well as be a complete and total emotional trip of both highs and lows. It's often a point of shame for rape
victims, and yes, writing and drawing rapeshit can help relieve the shame
victims feel too.
I've attached a video of Agnes Sculptham from Moral Orel, someone who was raped and has extreme anxiety from the event yet climaxed during her assault and masturbates to the trauma she endured. Despite how it sounds, it's actually extremely respectful, not meant to be viewed with sexual eyes, and realistic to the nuanced experiences
victims go through, and I recommend giving it a watch if you ever want to be a little more open minded and drop the idea
victims need to be perfect to still be
victims.
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>>2518443>another retarded newfag personality fagging!>total drama island pictureHoly shit, take some antidepressants or something. Maybe get a job too, maybe that will help you feel like you have some importance to this world.
(infight bait) No. 2519146
>>2518259Right? The thing is giving wide benefit of the doubt that everyone who claims to write rapefic to cope with abuse isn't just bullshitting. Sure, those people exist, but more people exist who use it as a shield because it's socially unacceptable to doubt someone who claims victimhood, and those people need to be called out. Better coping mechanisms should be encouraged, or at least, it should be discouraged to do in the public eye because of how it draws in creeps who would exploit actual
victims. The creeps using fabricated victimhood as a shield ruin it for everybody and do not deserve carte blanche permission to be openly degenerate because it causes harm in its own way, both to actual
victims and to people who get hooked on violent and unhealthy fantasies that lead them to
toxic relationships because they seek to recreate that extreme that they grew up exposed to. It's not going to stifle or hurt
victims to practice some discreetness or OPSEC, or to make a dedicated space for that stuff.
No. 2519416
>>2519146>or to make a dedicated space for that stuff.I'm honestly someone who copes through this media and I would like this so that everyone could be happier. I don't think it's any coincidence this shit got so much worse with the extreme centralization of the web, and twitter just made it SUCH a clusterfuck. Tumblr had an extremely comprehensible tagging system, twitter has muted words but even then, it's nigh possible to completely filter it. We can only return to the old days if someone takes one for the team and accepts eating bandwidth costs so we can keep our degeneracy separate again.
>inb4 no the fuck you do NOT cope through abusive mediaI really do. I'm in a safe situation for the first time in my life and I find myself getting legitimately anxious if I don't have anyone berating me or criticizing me or telling me ways I should change myself. Whenever I'm made to feel miserable, it feels like a legitimate drug hit. That's something I need to work out through therapy, but for right now, I'd rather make up stories than ruin the best thing that's ever happened to me because I can't contain my need to be abused. I get a rush of adrenaline whenever I hear people screaming on screen. On the bright side though, I can absolutely fucking tell when someone making this shit is drawing from their experiences or not. There's just a certain
victim-blamey responsibility-absolving way abusers talk that can't be fabricated.
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>goes on ao3
>walled scrotes have more fanfics than the actually attractive characters
I fucking hate pickmes so much it's unreal.
No. 2519464
>>2519462Raiden (well for one game), otacon and liquid snake are right there and pickme rape
victims with absent father figures choose the walled hags with no sex appeal.
No. 2519484
>>2519473>>2519479>old man yaoiSo much for being a tourist, that’s all you. Just because you’re a rape
victim who is attracted to men who can’t get it up doesn’t mean all women are. Only fags are genuinely into “old man yaoi”. If you are a woman attracted to old scrotes, you’re using it as a substitute for a father figure and confusing that with attraction. Hope you heal from your trauma soon
(bait) No. 2519491
>>2519484using "rape
victim" as an insult is very interesting…
No. 2519494
>>2519490He should’ve kept raiden sexy, all the fans of him I’ve met are women.
>>2519491Who said it was an insult? It’s the truth
No. 2519513
>>2519484This is some
bait bait.
Not everyone self inserts like you. People need to remember that the characters have personality and dynamics, theres such a thing as a
story in a game. It's called
fanfiction for a reason.
No. 2519520
>>2519504i dont know what you want me to say. just get into a different franchise??? also inb4 you call me an nlog pickme rape
victim: im not into old bearded scrotes either. do you want to know what i do about this? i seek out media with male characters i actually find attractive. it is very easy. you are just torturing yourself for no reason.
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>>2519520>>2519523I love that this thread never changes at all
but I hate the new thread pic sfm. This one represented you all best, imo No. 2519554
>>2519519You're saying people that write fanfiction between older male characters are rape
victims with daddy complexes, what do you think that means?
No. 2519555
>>2519554Nothing I said there was wrong though. Every single woman I’ve met who likes old men is a rape
victim or had an absent father figure. You know I’m right, maybe that’s why you’re so mad
No. 2519571
>>2519555Mad? It just annoying that fakers like you who are just into aesthetics and porn admonish others for actually being interested in the main cast.
Calling nerds "degenerates" and "totally raped by their dad" has sadly always been a thing, but nerd shit going mainstream has made it so fakers that never gave a shit like you stoml around and ask to be pandered to. It's very sad.
No. 2519588
>>2519583>keep shaming womenYou must be severely autistic if you're calling women dadfuckers and rape
victims because they have different taste men and think you can still have a point about shame.
No. 2519595
>>2519588You know I’m right, you know that being attracted to old men is indicative of daddy issues and/or sexual trauma. I will continue to call them that because it’s the truth, if you truly don’t have any trauma and you’ve fallen to the psyop so easily I feel bad.
>>2519593Yes, most women who even know what an ao3 is are autistic as are most of the women in this thread.
No. 2519627
>>2519608>>2519610I have both. I have been into nerd shit since I was 9 as I said, but somehow that invalidates it because I like as if my experiences haven’t been shaped by misogyny I’ve witnessed in those spaces and how so much anime and video games are blatantly sexist?
>>2519611So you admit your tastes are abnormal? Good to know!
>>2519615>MUH REPUTATIONYou will never escape your shackles if you keep shitting and pissing over what neurotypicals think about you.
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>>2519627stop crashing tf out please
No. 2519642
>>2519627**Because I like hot guys
>>2519628>caused by external circumstancesOhhh, you’re traumatized. Explains it all.
>>2519632With the nlog woman demand for walled scrotes, those needs are met first because it threatens men less.
>>2519630Has it ever occurred to you that’s because women are pressured into always dating older or their own age and are shunned for liking younger and hotter guys?
>>2519637Oh I do know, I just have never cared about ship dynamics that feature ugly characters because unlike you I refuse to settle for less. I’m aware why people ship them, but it’s a pathetic display of having to settle and because of pickme tastes
No. 2519668
>>2519657External circumstances, like having an absent father figure, being in an
abusive relationship and/or dealing with sexual trauma. These are commonly found with people who fall for the psyop.
No. 2519681
>>2519657I wonder if anon has ever gone outside and interacted with human beings that have anything going on in their life whatsoever.
>>2519662Anon, the issue is that you're sperging out and calling women sexually abused for not writing about what you want. True mindfulness is ignoring that kind of thing. Did you not have Special Ed where they'd teach this sort of thing growing up? Poor nona.
No. 2519698
>>2519683because autists can’t write good fanfic, anon!
they don’t have the creative thinking or the empathy to write compelling narratives around relationships! the black and white thinking leads to overall blandness in a writing!
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The issue with modern fandoms is that the autists who used to create fanfics and art are now addicted to social media and dopamine hits from online arguments. It really is that damn phone.
No. 2519719
>>2519708Because that's male autism, men are socially coddled and told it's alright and even GOOD to be unfeeling and selfish, meanwhile women are told to conform to what other people want of them and a lot of autistic women wind up abused by their families for struggling to conform until they become hyper-empathetic as a defense mechanism. Of course, some autistic women end up like
>>2519711 said, because they're growing up in nice, middle class suburban households with coddling mothers and become social rejects at school and they learn that being manipulative cunts online is cathartic, and that they can connect the dots with other people's behavior (pattern recognition!) to use therapyspeak buzzwords to shame other people out of fighting back.
The first brand of female autism usually writes incredible fanfic. The second brand of female autism usually writes incredibly bland fanfic and then blame everyone else for not writing shit that appeals to them specifically.
No. 2519791
>>2519030So it's "infight bait" to tell whiny fags to go get a job? At least I didn't call her a rape
victim and mean it as an insult, shit.
(baiting) No. 2519795
>>2519723>>2519746Same, I’m a bit surprised there hasn’t been another FF7 house since fandom classics like MsScribe get reincarnated every so often (hivling for Hamilton, Santino Hassel for m/m romance).
But the main cows in the FF7 house were otakukin, which is a flavor of fandom crazy that isn’t around anymore. Yes there are kinnies on Tumblr but the otherkin had a mystical/spiritual bent since they believed they were reincarnated souls. Tumblr kinnies approach it through a mental illness angle, like DID or claiming multiple systems. The occult factor is what made the FF7 house like a religious cult.
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Bad news nonnies…
>MyAniList is getting bought out by crypto company Gaudily
>The company is being invested in by Sony and Bandai Namco (including Crunchyroll)
>They want to use AI to combine assets, create a cryptocurrency called 'Soneium', and create new entertainment with ai
>Other groups included in this are Shuesha (Shonen Jump), TOHO, Aniplex, and Sanrio among others
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>>2515231Non-Pathologic nonnies please pray for the Pathologic nonnies in this thread. I've been a fan of that game since they re-published the first one as Classic HD in 2015 because I'm vaguely schizophrenic and I like games that are a bit weird, we're getting Pathologic 3 whenever at this point, we've had a free demo last month. The fandom is infested and I mean infested with gendies it's worse than the rats of the plague, and on top of that these grown women are now throwing every mental illness at the main character. Game has an apathy-mania mental state scale to balance or the character blows his brains out instead of a hunger/thirst/exhaustion meter: "OMG bipolar rep! BPD!!" Game has third-person dialogue passages because it's doing some vaguely pretentious art school narrative shit "he's obviously got DID!! Depersonalization representation!!!" Game has character going through the worst day of his life be reactive to noise "HE'S CANONICALLY AUSTISTIC!!!" it's so hard sharing a fandom with morons. I know I just need to stay in my corner, enjoy the games and do my thing, especially since I don't draw or write myself I just consoom and don't technically "need" to mingle, but there are a few fanartists I like the works of so I'm always dipping my toes into the fandom looking for scraps of good art and then immediately exiting like it's a pond full of gender-having mental-illness-faking piranhas. A new wave of profoundly annoying people is upon us once the full game actually releases, Dankovsky as a character is a morons-magnet. Sorry for the blog I just needed to bitch it out.
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Is mischaracterization a huge issue in fandoms?
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>>2519963>>2519963I'm only in the Transformers fandom tbh but yes there's so much mischaracterization. No, Optimus Prime isn't a fascist. No, Starscream isn't a poor widdle
victim. No, they can't have top surgery, they're literal machines.
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>>2520228Old man yaoi is a widely accepted fandom term to describe m/m ships with male characters who are 50+. You don't have to like the term (I find it obnoxious myself) but it's now part of fandom lingo, you'll find it on every social media with big fandom spaces, not just twitter.
Some of you blatant newfags get hung up over the weirdest things and you also love showing how much of a newfag you are by going "omg go back to twitter/reddit/girlsgogames" at any post you disagree with (and not posts with actual redditor redflags or something), as if it makes you any more credible as a farmer.
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>>2520559Reminds me when gachafags call adult woman "hags"
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why are joseimuke games so damn faggy? who is self inserting as some ugly male mc? not to mention, they're more often than not being treated as the default choice
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>>2508203God shadow milk is the ugliest fucking cookie run character ever created. Just look at this clusterfuck eyesore. He also says shit like "yap" and "pookie", its so cringe
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>>2520572are fujos so greedy that an all male cast to ship together is not enough for them lol? reminder this is the ''canon'' twst mc that is going to get animated. pretty telling that even in joseimuke, women get the short end of the stick
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>>2520570Partially related, every time I see designs like this Cookie Run guy or many of the Jester-like characters from VivziePop's cartoons I am reminded of NiGHTS from the titular game (plus Reala too, NiGHTS' rival). It could just be that they're all jesters, sure, but I have a feeling that many of them were inspired by this relatively obscure old videogame.
No. 2520594
>>2520579Black Butler's author has always been a fujo, not to mention the anime is probably going the back and forth male>female>male>female pattern.
Given that one of the male protagonists is fat while the female protagonists are both cute self insertable reverse trap and gyaru, you shouldn't have anything to complain about.
No. 2520815
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>>2519531>MouthwashingA decent game, but the fanbase sucks very much. Glad it seems to be losing some relevancy already. Alien did the "stranded delivery crew in space with rape allegory" thing more creatively. 'the white chamber' did the "protag gets fellow crew members killed while in space, and takes a mind journey to realize they're a piece of shit before atoning for what they did" thing way better as a game IMO, and that game is 15 years MW's senior.
>Kurt CobainDidn't this guy deliberately spread a rumor that he almost raped a disabled girl? What was even the point of that? To spread awareness about sexual assault? If this man was born a zoomer, he would definitely troon out, so fuck "Polly", fuck "Rape Me" and whatever pretentious shit he had to say about sexual assault. If I was raped and some faggot grunge fucker made songs about it just to "spread awareness" because he's a male "feminist", I would personally take out a sheet of pristine paper with the finest pen I can get and write a very lengthy death threat before sending it straight to him.
No. 2521132
>>2520570that's just the shitty English localization, they made him so fucking annoying to maximize pandering. his korean voice actor, and honestly all the other language actors are much better than his English va.
makes me miss the days before kingdom had english voice acting
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can someone tell me why wanda fans are attacking bob so much in the mcu fandom?
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>>2520921Sadly thats not true anymore pickmes have invaded manga and anime
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>>2520921>nooo dont call old men hags men age like fine wine!!!I am going to call them hags and give them insecurities because its hot and funny. Cry about it.
No. 2521291
>>2521279I think the Japanese fujo author knows more about bl than you.
You do know that character
gets raped,loses everything in life, commits suicide, and goes to hell right?A part of bl has always been centered on pain, maybe if you read bl for once you'd know that.
No. 2521304
>>2521300>Do you know sol BL exists..right? not everything has to be 3deep5u and navel gazing to be BL. Fakejo, that's why I said
a part I don't act like
only the thing I like should exist unlike you with your garbage cgdct unproblematic taste.
It's hilarious to try to blame western pandering when shitters like you are the reason why bl manga constantly gets dropped and bashed for being "too
problematic"
No. 2521310
>>2521307>I'm not touching itThen who the fuck cares?
>i am not a weebNobody thinks you are one.
Who would ever take someone's opinion on a author seriously if they're so painfully proud about never reading anything?
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out of all the fandom drama you can witness, I firmly believe that scanlators/uploaders wanting to monopolize a series is the most retarded kind.
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>>2520572I dont want my husbandos to be cannon faggots in a cannon alt timeline
No. 2521935
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Anyone remember zerdasher? Chinese “butch4butch” “yuri” artist who said people who don’t ship appledash are butchphobic
>>2440428She appeared on my tl talking about wanting to deactivate because of the hate she gets. Looked at her media and what do ya know, she fucking draws futashit and gave buff farm girl a dick lol.
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Wild to see so much vitriol over a fictional romance between non-blood related adoptive siblings that end up not being legally siblings anymore.
No. 2521989
>>2521975Nta KEK mte nonna
>>2520569What game is this? It looks so nice
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>>2521989That game is called 18trip! It's a free JP mobile gacha husbando collector game, fully voiced including mc (who can be either male and female), no romance or sexual content, tower defense gameplay. Found a detailed write up on it here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/1d27wkd/18trip_review_new_jp_husbando_game_has_tower/ No. 2522362
>>2522347The logic is anyone calling themselves a lesbian and drawing pony futashit is that they were lying about being a lesbian to begin with. Why? Marketing. Moids love the pornographic delusion of lesbians being into their weiners combined with moids being the biggest consoomers of futaporn. Put two and two together and you have $$$.
The majority of people online calling themselves a lesbian online are actually lying because their words and actions don't add up. Real lesbians are offline or closeted because if they call themselves lesbians they get called terfs and sent rape threats until they DFE. Unfortunately I have seen it happen too often to lesbian artists, even the furry ones and I'm not even a furry. I just caught wind of it because the callout post appeared on my algorithm.
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>>2522191>seems so western>art is too terribleThat is some flimsy reasoning against her being chinese kek, looking through her posts she hasn’t actually claimed to be mainland so it’s also possible she could be diaspora(ngl I’ve seen zoomers from SE asia act similarly dumb and “western”, the influence of twitter and tiktok has really done a number on them). Long shot but if there are any chinese speakers here maybe they can judge her chinese
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>This account is for posting and celebrating the butches and studs of the world!
>misandrist in bio
>posts walled moids
>banner is about her calling moids butch lesbians
I know these types of accounts are headcanon central but damn she couldn’t even give the headcanon to some tomboy character instead of a male? Even posting princess peach in pants would be preferable kek. Just scrolling through the media there are so many male characters, seems like more than half of them are. These people should quit kidding themselves and call it male lesbian of the day at this point.
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I fucking hate fakejoshis
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>>2522418Chill out kek, I was agreeing with you. But I also agreed she sounds western/western-influenced because she talks like western zoomers and uses meme phrases that came from them. Same goes for SEA zoomers when they speak english online. Western influence through fandom and social media isn’t a new thing, omegaverse for instance originated from western fandoms then spread to asian fandoms. Acknowledging that doesn’t erase mainland asians acting dumb of their own accord.
No. 2522514
>>2522512Seconding
>>2522513DMMD's purely BL but I get why you'd assume that.
No. 2522518
>>2522513Zoomers/alphies getting
triggered by Dramatical Murder is funny every time. It's one of the most famous BL/yaoi games of all time, practically a heritage piece. I always have the impulse to share good old Hadaka Shitsuji with them. That's some classic shit right there.
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>>2521656They're drawings. Grow the fuck up or play a different game.
No. 2522534
>>2522389SA but
as someone who went through the same song and dance, I get it but that doesn't excuse the amount of sperging over how gay they are then turn around and draw a woman getting dick down by another women. It's like being attracted to femboys—the girlier the better— but then claiming to be bi? I know actual bisexuals, the most feminine guys they like look like bishes, not twinks in school girl uniforms. Ditto for lesbians too who know for a fact they want women with pussies not dicks. Maybe it could be a fetish they have but don't want to do. But when you draw butches, slap a dick on them, or both have dicks, I can't help but question if you're really lesbian? I like men, package and all, and I would die than make cuntboy porn.
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>>2522538Yeah, RariShy is cute too. Especially since there's a lot of episodes where Rarity acknowledges that Fluttershy has a knack for fashion and modeling.
No. 2522576
>>2522560Oh my goodness, yes. They're so annoying. They love saying "if the roles were reversed…" and it makes me wonder if they just cover their eyes and stop reading the moment they see
anything on the Internet.
No. 2522579
>>2522576What they don't get is that when a guy gets raped in fiction 99% of the time it's just a thing to add to his tragic backstory while if a woman gets raped that becomes her entire story arc and motivation.
When rape is romanticized in BL it's because it's used as a catalyst for the couple to get together (seme feelings are so intense and strong that they have to force them onto the uke) meanwhile when a woman is raped it's used for mindbreak (can't live without cocks anymore type shit)
No. 2522830
>>2521283I can kind of understand this because it's Umineko and it's meant to be read more seriously than your average thing. Won't watch the video but her inability to understand social cues and her weird noise (stimming) could definitely be read as autism, but I feel it was more likely generalized mental illness. Her mother was not equipped to deal with that.
Again, would not feel this way if it were a 1 cour CGDCT show about having tea after school or something.
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>>2522798Same. I'm someone who has read and is still reading plenty of BL with rapeshit because they have other elements to attract my interest, but using rape as drama is such an annoying and brainless trope. Personally I've found that most fujos (both eastern and western) are either nonchalant about this issue or only enthusiastic about the borderline rape stuff that's used for drama ("I like you so much I cannot stop my dick uwu" shit) and not full on "I'm a POS sadist whose dick can't get hard without dislocating your jaw with my punches while I give you an anal prolapse" type of content where the violence is the main appeal. Most of the big fujo series I saw get a lot of traction were the ones that were one of the following
>not explicit and just bait (free!)>not explicit, has romance (YOI)>explicit but no rape (nukani)Now a days rapey webtoon shit like jinx is getting traction but honestly I have met a very small number of people who unironically liked such stuff? Maybe it's more common among bdsm-pilled young genzs on tiktok, I dunno. BL spaces love to discuss about nitro chiral who do have plenty of rape in their games, but honestly I don't think their games other than dmmd have managed to attract a big international fan base. And dmmd didn't have rape as it's selling point, it was mostly contained in bad endings and one edgy route most seemed to dislike or ignore.
I'm sleepy and kind of forgot what point I was trying to make but anyway I agree nonnita.
No. 2523111
>>2522830it reads more as a trauma response to rosa's
abusive parenting than anything else. also the when they cry series is fucking retarded now.
No. 2523114
>>2523106I'd say rape in bl has always been a fairly popular staple, sure the mainstream anime doesn't have it but they can't really adapt that sort of stuff to begin with.
Check bl rankings and they still are fairly high, check popular authors and it shows up in a lot of work.
I think its more that for the next generation, the genre is getting divided by algorithms into two seperate styles, many newgen fujos don't care for things like angst, violence, and other
problematic elements and want things to go for more of a sol direction. Some authors want to make it big and drop it to go for either mainstream vanilla/no homo that will get a better chance at adaption or go full on seinen.
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>>2523110I think the same, while BLVNs still tend to have at least one BE with rape, it's not like the 2000s era BLs where often the rape was basically in every single route and often whole routes were just about the uke getting raped 93748392 times until he started believing the rape is love trope. Some of them still provided good entertainment in how utterly crazy they went with the ideas like Kichiku Megane (YMMV), but many games (and other media like BL manga too tbh) just used the trope like a crutch and annoyed me to death.
>>2523117I didn't mean all BL containing some level of dubcon/rape, I was specifically referring to the cookie cutter korean BL with rapeape top and no chemistry like Jinx. Every single fujo I've talked to hated Jinx to death, kek. Maybe it's because I hang out with fujos that are working adults and never installed that cursed app tiktok.
>>2523155>At the end of the day I just want to see my 2D boys being whores.Relatable
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Has cuntboy always been massively popular among fujos? I usually stick to niche ships and have not seen much of it. But recently, I got into a popular ship and the sheer amount of cuntboy and male lactation fanart I am seeing is melting my brain into a fine sludge. It’s even more frustrating when Asian artists hold polls about what to draw, and everyone overwhelmingly votes for things like the character lactating or having a pussy. I try not to post about this since it summons the spergs, but I have reached my breaking point.
No. 2523215
>>2523198Isn't that more the "super seme" trope? That trope has been dying for sure in recent years since most see it as a joke.
>>2523207It's weird, there's basically no bl manga with cuntboy out there despite the alternative futa yuri having several manga series, the closest is genderbend that has man turn into woman and back.
Guess it depends on what fandom it is?
No. 2523228
>>2523210>>2523216Yeah I can see why Western fans do this. Troonism is too mainstream there and it is absolutely impossible to avoid. What baffles me more is seeing so many Asian artists especially Chinese, and SEA artists drawing this stuff too. I guess as times change, so do tastes. Or maybe it's just a fetish thing.
>>2523215>there's basically no bl manga with cuntboy Absolutely. The only cuntboy yaoi I had read was years ago, and it was a oneshot called Kalimeris Porno. Even there the guy was a herm so he had both sets of genitals. You are right
it is a Hoyo sloppa ship, so maybe it just attracts that kind of crowd. No. 2523234
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>>2523207I agree with
>>2523216, this is a very recent phenomenon. Cuntboy retardation was vanishingly rare in public fandom spaces even pre-covid, it was a very niche fetish I only occasionally saw some random Asian artist draw under an assload of warnings and spoilers. After gender nonsense became mainstream, every single spicy straight westerner was doing it. I block all gender havers and their overly passionate allies in the fandoms I'm in so I literally never run into cuntboy anymore, this scorched earth strategy is the only way to protect myself. I'm not active on preddit, so when I go there I sometimes get spooked with nasty shit like
>>>/m/477373.
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Cringe ass image
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>>2523521Got to make your own reactions from stuff you know.
No. 2523660
>>2523362Why are fandomtards refuse to read the source and make what they will with it? Liking
problematic media won't kill you but god forbid you're accurate with the character.
No. 2523717
>>2523690>Persona 3&4Girl, a remake of the first one came out last year and the later has a super active fandom today kek In fact I would say their fandom are more active now than back when they came out (they're super annoying tho, Persona is easily one of the worst fanbases I have been in. It was more chill back then, but I think that goes for every fandom unfortunately).
But I do get you. I'm way older but a poorfag so I never got to experience games besides Pokemon and a few basic others growing up because I had no internet or money for magazines (and could only afford 1 game per year) so until recently I haven't been able to experience them. I'm very grateful for the high seas, but also now all my interests are dead DS/PS2 IPs with an even deadder fandom.
I'm on them, but from what I know a handful of the one you list still have active fandoms (doesn't black butter even have an anime airing currently?), so don't lose hope. Even if you get into a series popular right now, the online culture has changed a ton, so you aren't missing too much. Rather than the peak of said fandoms, I think what you (and lots of us) miss is how the internet was back then, there were still lots of drama but generally we could be more free and "cringe" in LJ and such days of fandom.
No. 2523734
>>2523690You are only two years older than my eldest nephew and you have way taste better than him kek. I loved loved loved Bleach because Ichigo and Rukia were like a power couple to me, also power ups are Cool. I remember buying the Hetalia dvds when they came out too and they were crazy expensive, I also remember begging my dad to buy me a Death Note box set kek.
When I got a DSi for Christmas (this was before smartphones really took off and parents did not allow their kids to touch their expensive smartphones) I would load up FF.net on the browser and ruin my sleep schedule every night with Bleach and Hetalia fanfiction kek. I think as a newer fan you have the ability to archive fanworks a lot more easily, but oddly it feels more overwhelming than ever to sift through all the memes and junk to find them, especially with A.I. flooding deviantart and pixiv nowadays and algorithms fighting against you. What's your experience been as a new fan into these things?
No. 2523756
>>2523717Thank you for your reassurance
>I think what you (and lots of us) miss is how the internet was back then, there were still lots of drama but generally we could be more free and "cringe" in LJ and such days of fandom.This is probably the case, I got into fandom stuff during the cultural shift of it being passionate nerds who were cringe but loved stuff with all their heart to irony-poised everything is cringe hypersensitive sjws who would've been normies if not for social media influence. I think being in this state of limbo and not realizing what I had taken for granted made me have these types of feelings with some "le born in the wrong generation" sprinkled in in regards to my interests. I seriously don't understand why these types of people came in and ruined the fun for everyone instead of normie'ing out in peace.
>>2523734Based, I would nonstop watch Bleach in middle school and I loved Ichiruki as well, hate Orihime. Speaking of Hetalia, I actually have a really cringe weeaboo memory where in early middle school we had to bring a book a class and state what it was and I felt so embarrassed for bringing in the Hetalia manga as my book that I just didn't share it at all lol.
>What's your experience been as a new fan into these things?Sometimes fun, sometimes empty especially when you see get a glimpse of old fan content and see what things were like back then. It's also a lot harder to find people into these interests because there's less to discuss as these series have long since dried up, like FMA and Bleach (got into it in middle school before the remake). But stuff like Black Butler and MGS where there's still content being released in some way I have a much easier time finding people into it, and can have actual discussions.
No. 2523802
>>2523690>Makes me think I was born in the wrong generationAll these things are way more accessible now than ever. I'm more than 10 years older than you and liked JPRGs, I started getting into Persona 3 and 4 in early 2012 and the series was exclusively in English, you couldn't legally download the games except for P3P on the PS store and the P1 and P2IS remakes, you only could rely on word of mouth to know anything about them because the series was still somewhat niche, not everyone had smartphones and/or a good enough computer to download an emulator and the games illegally, etc. This somewhat applies to MGS too, if you didn't have a PS1 and/or a PS2 then you couldn't do much. If I were your age instead of having to learn English and look for physical copies of games like I'm treasure hunting I would have enjoyed Persona games very easily by just downloading them on my laptop and playing them in my first language. I think you should try to be more positive about it. I see as much, if not more people posting fanart of Megaten games in general now than a decade ago too, mostly on twitter. And Persona 4's fandom was already total trash in early 2010, think of all the "Naoto is a transboy and I know it because I watched someone play the game on youtube" discourse from back then if you ever saw it. I think the only real negative point I can think of is that you and other younger fans could very easily find spoilers like
Adachi is the killer or
the MC dies in P3 online because it's not considered spoilers anymore.
As for the manga and anime listed, tell yourself that following them when they were ongoing and still far from being over was a struggle on its own. It obviously doesn't apply to Black Butler yet.
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I have a lot of resentment over the fact that female dominated fandoms (especially ones popular with teenage girls) are often the target of misogynistic attacks. Women and girls will mind their own business and enjoy things in their own communities only for moids to barge in and harass/ridicule them. It happens to fangirls of 90s boybands all the way to women into romance books. Moids can have walls of funko pops or spend all day playing loli gacha games and they still won't have to face a fraction of the hate that women and girls get for innocent interests. I just hope the tides will turn one day and moids have to live in shame for enjoying anything. I remember when I was a kid I really loved Justin Bieber, I was about 8/9 and all I can remember was the mockery and cutforbieber shit. I would scroll through hundreds of posts/comments telling him to kill himself/do a flip just because girls liked him.
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>>2523878This was the reason why I was ashamed to like anything extremely girly as a kid because i used to think if something is exclusively popular with girls then it's "bad and uncool"
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>>2523690>nona born in 2005>le wrong generation for everything I was obsessed with in high schoolI know you didn't mean to but…
No. 2523991
I wish we had more female mc's like park gaeul
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>>2523991for those who haven't read girl under trial, park is a cringy pathetic girl with a bad home life who manipulates and blackmails the two hottest guys into fake dating her, even when she's publicly dating one of them, she'll have make out session with the other, she's so fucking based
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>>2524008>>2523991Thank you for the rec, I cant wait to read this
No. 2524048
>>25240462016/2017 was the big shift, I think, but it'd been building up for years in more niche spaces before blowing up on tumblr (which is where most fandom interactions happened). I personally think it was a specific response to the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage, which had been the defining social justice crusade for most of the 90s and 00s. People needed a new way to prove their progressiveness and along came troons. That explains TIFs and MOGAI and the stupidity that was Quiltbag or whatever the fuck but I wonder what
triggered the corresponding rise in TIMs.
No. 2524060
>>2524054COVID just made a bad situation worse, imo. It took what was already there and pressure cooked it.
>>2524056Voltron was an interesting case because it came out right when social justice in the modern sense became popular. Plus it had an English speaking production team that communicated with and participated in the fandom, which was the secret sauce for awful shit. It had an anime style but didn't require you to wait for fansubs or translations, and the production staff were right there on Twitter where their passiveness enabled a lot of the worst of the fandom's lunacy. (After all, if your troon headcanon wasn't canon, wouldn't the writers have something to say if you tweeted them? Their silence was clearly a sign that you were right and that everyone else was wrong!)
No. 2524097
>>2524056It was Steven Universe and Homestuck. Steven Universe's near constant crew member drama, along with the gendie subtext.
Homestuck's fandom power, and their diverse design takes of the existing characters.
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Not an unpopular opinion on LC but there's a lot of female ff authors who claim to be asexual and it just comes across as a big misunderstanding of female sexuality. Especially the emphasis on character dynamic and setting in erotica
https://www.reddit.com/r/AO3/comments/1kmi6f1/how_many_of_you_are_actually_on_the/ No. 2524183
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>>2523991The premise was interesting, but I lost interest later on. It is just like every other Korean manhwa where the girl starts wearing makeup and then becomes a 10/10 bombshell. And then it's revealed that she had always been pretty and it was just the glasses and braces that made her ugly. The final chapter almost made me puke, where she sees herself in the genuinely ugly, pimply moid and then tells him that she will kiss him. Genuinely vomit-inducing, especially since she keeps talking shit about ugly women in multiple chapters but doesn’t give the same treatment to the ugly moid. Yunhye and Hyeseo were my fav characters.
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>>2524183>the girl starts wearing makeup and then becomes a 10/10 bombshellI started reading after nona ITT posted it and got hooked but am pretty disappointed by that aspect too because it’s such a banal trope, although I was aware going in because official art shows her newer look. I’m still more fond of her original look. Her being so insecure and narcissistic, it makes sense she’d do a ~makeup transformation~ but that’s where the webtoon loses some charm for me because I loved seeing a plain dorky loser girl who’s so self-centered, horrible, and judgmental; as well as being so brazen/pathetic trying to take advantage of the hottest guy in school who may or may not be a murderer.
Ngl earlier I peeked at later chapters to make sure this was really her and not a creepy doppelganger kek. Seeing both her dorky self and makeup self in this same cover artwork tripped me up a bit because they had different skintones, but I guess she’s putting foundation on her hands (and legs) too kek?? Kidding, but the artist keeps including that difference switching between her looks for rest of the webtoon so who knows
No. 2524256
>>2524111Ugh I have a friend like this who's super into writing sweet romantic fanfiction but because she's not very interested in sex, she calls herself "demisexual." It's obvious she's just a normal straight woman into fandom. I don't mind
except I have a crush on her fml because she's not being obnoxious about it, I usually just ignore the retarded labels when we talk about that stuff and only use normal sane person words like "lesbian" or "bi" or "straight" to describe sexuality instead of "queer" or "LGBTQAAI2XYZ." I feel like fando is this secret window into women's sexuality, but sadly you can't really talk about it in accurate terms, because 40% of the women in fandom don't want to be called women and the rest are claiming some retarded queer identity instead of calling themselves straight like they obviously are.
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>>2524254>>2524183I loved the first chapters where she looked nerdy and forced the popular guy to follow her command. The dynamic was hot and I think it was the only situation where I would say femdom was believable and not cringeworthy.
No. 2524343
>>2524024Yeah, I agree. 2016 felt like the end of A LOT of things, especially fandom. Troon propaganda and gendies started taking over from there. I couldnt even find really good fanfics after 2018 tbh on AO3. People were 'cancelling' you for liking fictional incest and '
problematic' BL. It was awful. I miss the Free! era so damn much.
No. 2524345
>>2524043I used to know someone in a board games friend group who was hard into undertale. He was openly gay and it was whatever, but then he started to skinwalk my wife and trooned out 2 years later. It was around 2018 or 2019 when this officially happened. We were friends a few years before then.
>>2524054Covid fucked everyone over. No matter what fandom you were in. I wasnt on lockdown in my area of the country, but a lot of younger adults and teens had way too much time on their hand. Combine that with tik tok brainrot, it was a recipe for the worst kind of gendie nonsense.
No. 2524936
>>2524908only one, lasts a few chapters but is plot relevant
>>2524914not korean, but asian schools even segregated will have a bullying culture
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Trannies on reddit are so insufferable
Why does infinity nikki need yuri? It's a dress up game
Why would lads need yaoi? It's a dating game
No. 2525496
>>2519457You are right and you should say it, women who consume content of ugly walled scrotes are low self esteem pickmes by default. Also i don't know why anons are clutching their pearls about you being "mean and
problematic!!" on an ib.
No. 2525511
>>2525496"ugly walled scrotes"
lolcow can be so out of touch when a ton of women are in the MGS fandom and these are muscly scarred fictional men with prime potential for tragedy and suffering
And whoever spergs about it is always into some zoomer genshin gachashit
No. 2525514
>>2525503>Do you read BL to ~sympathize~ Anons don't understand ryonabait?
Whatever, it's an old post to seething about and that character isn't even the bottom to begin with. This shit is just sad.
No. 2525525
>>2525496where did anybody say it was mean or
problematic kek everybody just said its dumb to complain about old walled scrotes while looking at mgs fanworks, mgs' whole appeal is for people who like rugged grandpas
No. 2525536
>>2525511>>2525525Scarred rugged grandpas are ugly and women who like them are pickmes
>>2525525Anons got asshurt because op said that women who like ugly old moids are women that are traumatized, abused or have low self esteem which is true
No. 2525541
>>2525525>>2525536Tbh it's more that anons got called
problematic because they started making fun of her autism…
No. 2525568
>>2525503NTA but I can't believe you guys are
still mad about this fucking manga kek
No. 2525786
>>25243432014-2016 and then 2020 was a one-two blow for young people’s psyches and fandom by extension.
Moralfagging always existed in fandom in the earlier half of the 2010s but it was more prevalent in specific fandoms (Steven Universe, Homestuck) and those fandoms tended to be Tumblrina ground zero. Then the mid-2010s gave us the Tumblr buyout, GamerGate and the 2016 US elections, all of which changed online discourse for the worse in their own ways. The Tumblr buyout made people migrate to Twitter which made it impossible to have meaningful long form discussions. People don’t discuss GamerGate much anymore but it was a turning point for the politicization of hobbies (the “culture wars”), and the U.S. 2016 elections obliterated Americans’ ability to have nuanced political views (which unfortunately affects the rest of the world). Then the pandemic made young people socially stunted by encouraging parasocial behaviors and being terminally online.
The early 2010s were also so optimistic, relatively speaking. American politics felt a lot more hopeful (first black president, gay marriage legal) and Big Tech was new so people weren’t skeptical yet.