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No. 2439481
3 months after announcing it, Cerbmin has finally created a poll that will decide the fate of VPN posting on LCF.
You can check and vote in the poll here:
>>>/meta/91498The Poll can be broken down into two options:
>A VPN ban should happen.>A VPN ban shouldn't happen.The former option has four different caveats which take into consideration the ways in which the potential VPN will apply.
Since posting is disabled on the /meta/ thread, I thought it might be useful for anons to use this thread to discuss the poll.
>Share which option you voted for.>Share why you voted for that option.>Share your opinions of why a VPN is necessary or not necessary.Please don't turn this thread into squabbling over how whoever voted for X option is a retard, or start campaigning for X option, or anything gay like that.
No. 2439511>>2439516>>2440279
>>2439508Admins literally said in the post that threads like exmuslim are getting a special exception. Why are anons too retarded to read I FUCKING SWEAR
>>2439503Yeah you're right since there are already anons posting ITT who obviously didn't read it
No. 2439522>>2439527>>2440800
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>Share which option you voted for.I voted for the "banned on /ot/ and on an ad hoc basis for threads on all other boards" option.
>Share why you voted for that option.I voted for that option because /ot/ is the board with the most problems that could be solved with a blanket VPN ban. The few times that a VPN ban was applied to the Amerifags thread, it quelled almost all baiting and infighting almost immediately. I use every board (except /g/) on LC, and I don't think a VPN ban is necessary on any other board besides /ot/. I think some anons have the idea that /ot/ IS LC instead of /ot/ is a PART of LC.
>Share your opinions of why a VPN is necessary or not necessary.I think it's necessary to counter the rule-breaking posts on /ot/ and to fix the board culture that has atrophied for the past few years.
>>2439507During the December VPN ban, anons were able to email Cerb and ask for an exemption if they could prove they needed a VPN to post for their personal safety.
>>2439503It's interesting. I wonder if they will consider the split. For instance, if we look at the poll right now (in picrel) we can see the "no VPN ban" option has the most votes, but the majority of voters would prefer a VPN ban. It's a difference of 43 for a VPN ban to 20 against a VPN ban.
>>2439514>>2439517>>2439520We are talking about Lolcow Farm. Not KiwiFarms.
No. 2439528>>2439530
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Runoff confirmed! Lolcow now has a better democratic process than the majority of countries
No. 2439622>>2440153
>>2439495As a 24/7 VPN user, I'm against a blanket /ot/ ban because I enjoy occasionally posting in some of the /ot/ threads. Apart from posting in the doodleboard thread and the moovie room thread, I use a few of the other /ot/ threads from time to time (mostly the ones related to various hobbies, travel, etc). None of those threads have frequent infighting (maybe because they're more structured in topic and slower in general? I can't imagine baiting would be possible in them). We all know which threads are the infighting/baiting threads, so why not just target those?
>>2439499 Same. Might lurk, but won't be posting. It's what I did in December when the temporary ban took place, posting in bunker threads elsewhere occasionally. It's just a matter of principle. I don't post without VPN.
>>2439501Part of the blame should fall on the members of the userbase engaging with the bait. It's not hard to report it and scroll on, but a lot of users seem to feel the need to reply these days, which doesn't help. If the baiters didn't get attention, they would move on to other things, elsewhere. VPN users are being collectively punished along with the baiters because newer users refuse to learn 2 scroll.
No. 2439625>>2439659>>2441224
thanks for the link OP! i originally was planning to vote for VPNs banned on all boards except the hidden one like during the vpn ban. but after seeing what happened here after the vpn-ban was lifted now i'm firmly "every board". this place has been garbage for so long, and it's not hard to find it littered across the entire site. scrotes baiting in /g/, celebricows is always unreadable, /snow/ having thread subjects defending themselves and vpn hopping, the general state of /ot/. glad the polls finally up but i don't think a vpn ban across all boards will happen unfortunately. which is kinda sad because there's so many users that need a permaban that are running rampant on this site shitting it up for fun. this site was so much less shit when the ban was up. i remember while the ban was active, i was curious & checked and i saw unpopular opinions was on page 3. i feel like it's permanently on page 1 when there's no vpn ban. the state of this site the day the ban was lifted was a sight to behold really
>>2439584agreed with everything you said
No. 2439919>>2439986>>2439988>>2440059>>2440179
>>2439495Someone in /meta/ admitted that the staff laughs at random post histories in their discord. I believe it tbh, they probably have vendettas against some posters even if they're perfectly well behaved. Never forget that "accidental" deletion of the moovie room thread a few years ago. They also still kept the moovie anon banned even after restoring the thread
>>2439508>I'd say considering how things are now we cant keep on living in the 2010s when every other imageboard has taken measures to secure it selfMost other imageboards except 4chin allows vpns so I don't really get this argument
No. 2440059>>2440065
only a few of /ot/ boards need a vpn ban and i would say unpopular opinions and amerifags need it. maybe for unpopular opinions, one day a week could be open to vpn posting, so everyone can get their infighting done on one day.
>>2439919>Someone in /meta/ admitted that the staff laughs at random post histories in their discord.Jannies suck but considering the level of retardation on this site it seems like a fair payoff. you can find some great cows among fellow farmers!
No. 2440088
>>2440060Given you're the second ESL anon to complain about this I think they really should've worded the poll differently.
I am all for a VPN ban though, and I use VPNs daily for external safety reasons. Admins protecting the threads that matter is the most important part, which they're doing, so I really don't see how it'd be a problem. Like
>>2439539 mentioned I've also been randomly banned because of some scrote posting with the same VPN and I worry he's ruining my post history for the mods to laugh at. Pretty inconsistent with the rest of my lore on this site.
No. 2440179>>2440210
I think it’s more of a hassle to ban them all together than it would be to just ban whichever ones are known to cause the most trouble but admittedly I’m biased. Another thing is that the site’s already drying up and VPN bans are only gonna increase the dryness more by alienating a good amount of the users, the infighting only happens on certain ot threads (like unpopular opinions and /2X/) so I get them being banned/more heavily moderated on there but a full ban is just going to permanently alienate a good amount of users, a hellweek or fuck, even hellmonth would be a better idea just to bore them off if need be.
>>2440153>They also make unsaged sped posts on /pt/ and /snow/ to necro a 7 year old thread to ask where the cow got her cosplay fromThat’s been happening since the beginning it’s just that in like 2015 there were basically no rules so no one brought it up because there wasn’t anything regulating it at the time. Besides trolls are gonna post troll shit regardless, banning VPNs isn’t gonna stop bored clowns from spamming shit threads because they don’t care if they get banned from lolcow they just wanna use their time to spam post
>>2439919This is another reason I don’t agree with VPN bans, I don’t trust the newer mods with any actual IP. It’s not VPNs that are the issue, if you ask me modding has gone to shit and, while not Crystal Cafe levels of bad, the newest mods are clearly not doing their job. Again, trolls have been around since the beginning but they only recently became an issue because every new mod seems to fuck up in some way. VPN bans are a band aid solution at best because raiders will just find another way
No. 2440200>>2440209>>2440342
>>2440153>The baiters and the retards who reply to bait are the same people.Exactly. I have seen, on more than one occasion, the same anons pretending to be someone else to take their own bait and to infight with themselves.
How do I know? Because they think that switching up the typing style alone is enough to trick others. E.g., post A will be in all lowercase, reply A won't be, then post B will be in all lowercase, reply B will be in all lowercase, then deleted to replace with proper grammar, because the baiter/infighter forgot which type style she were using to discreetly samefag.
Then we have retards like
>>2439558 that actually think that infighting and baiting is "fun" and they come here specifically to do that gay shit. I have no idea why it took admin this long to realize that VPNs NEED to be banned on /ot/. Posting on /ot/ isn't a right, it's a privilege. If anons don't follow the rules, they don't deserve to post. Most /ot/fags aren't even familiar with the culture of LC. Anyone else remember this incident
>>2396578 ? It's clear that /ot/ is the central hub for newfaggotry and retards coming from social media.
If we got rid of /ot/ tomorrow, the cow boards would enter a renaissance.
Don't mention that it took me three tries to post this kek No. 2440210>>2440349
>>2440179>Another thing is that the site’s already drying up and VPN bans are only gonna increase the drynessIf we look at the statistics compiled during the first Hellweek of 2024, which lasted two weeks and can be found here
>>>/meta/71238 we can see that only 13.4% of posts were made through a VPN. There was 27775 posts during that fortnight, so that means about 3722 posts were made with a VPN and about 24053 posts were made without one. I don't think the "without VPNs the site will die" argument is a very good one.
>>2440205Have you ever thought about following the rules or integrating to avoid those bans in the first place? Ban evaders are so dumb.
No. 2440219>>2440226>>2440234
>>2440209>understood thinking that you could tell users apart or somehow think that you're tracking several posters across threads or even the same threadI never said that. I thought I made it clear why I could tell kek. It went like this:
>"x is so stupid because of xyz">No, that's not true! Retard, it's not XYZ it's ABC.">"stupid faggot, abc is stupid">you must be retarded, because 123 and 456that last reply was then deleted and re-uploaded as
>You must be retarded, because 123 and 456.That delete and repost made it clear to me, and when they were banned for samefagging it was confirmation for me. This happened last summer, and I'm sure that it's still happening now. Even when nobody takes the baiters' bait, they will often take their own bait to try and get anons roped into it. It's artificial infighting.
No. 2440234>>2440237>>2440266
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>>2440219Because their bans depend who is the mod at the time. I got permanently banned back in like 2015 for posting in the Amina dujean thread and now look, it’s 2025 her thread is up and mods have no issue with it.
No. 2440266>>2440315
>>2440234>Because their bans depend who is the mod at the timeYeah all of this, the moderation is an ever changing mess and the recent wave of mods just so happens to be the laziest which is the real issue. Like another anon said, basically every image board allows VPNs and is able to keep themselves decently moderated (including lolcow back in the day). And most anons seem to agree mods aren’t doing their job properly. There’s still going to be a lot of infighting and bait unless we get better mods, it’s been especially bad ever since late 2023
>>2440205Yeah I’ve seen some anons mention that there’s a whole ton of ways to ban evade, banning VPNs is just going to cause baiters and trolls to find another way that’s going to be way more difficult to manage
No. 2440315
>>2440266>mods "do their job">bad actors still just ban evadeAlso
>there’s a whole ton of ways to ban evade, banning VPNs is just going to cause baiters and trolls to find another wayKek is that a threat? At least those will then have to pay up for their privilege to shit up lolcow, because those options aren't free.
No. 2440342
>>2440200>Anyone else remember this incident?holy shit i clicked to the post and that is actually insane. i'd rather believe it was someone vpn hopping to leave those replies because i'm pretty shocked at how many replies it took for someone to point out that it was luna
>Then we have retards like 2439558 that actually think that infighting and baiting is "fun" and they come here specifically to do that gay shit.>It's clear that /ot/ is the central hub for newfaggotry and retards coming from social media.>If we got rid of /ot/ tomorrow, the cow boards would enter a renaissance.i agree with you nona. /ot/ has been cancer for way too long
No. 2440382
>>2440320hey mooovie anon. I remember that incident and it was bullshit. Everyone knows you weren't spamming. The person who banned you for asking about that gold star post never explained why, either. Just tried to distract by using the spam/raid thing. It was also really clear when one or two janny brown-nosers were commenting shit like, "I can't believe I was having conversations during moovie nights with a baiting spammer." Truly boneheaded attempts to paint you as something you're not.
Anyway anons from sensitive countries, idk if I'd trust admin/jannies with your info if you have to email them to even use the site. Just be careful I guess, we don't have any idea who these people are.
>>2440209There are definitely quirks for some posters, and it's not as simple as spelling or punctuation. But part of my work is identifying linguistic patterns, so maybe that is why I notice them. Not everyone but there are a couple particularly annoying posters that stand out. Once I even told one of them bc it was so blatant, and then I immediately caught a ban for some bullshit reason. What can you do…
No. 2440405>>2440413
>>2440395i agree with your post. it would be fun to have random streams just going without an announcement. sometimes i check the cytube without going on LC so it would be fun to see
>plus there's the existing calendar we could use too.i was considering bringing that up tayrt, i was thinking of leaving this site sometime in the near future and i would probably rely on the calendar for moovie nights/productivity streams/ect
No. 2440772>>2440781>>2440783>>2440785>>2440818>>2442353
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>Wednesday, March 12th Update
It's been a little over 24 hours since the poll launched. So far, there's been 223 votes.
>147 votes in support of a VPN ban
>76 votes against a VPN ban
It looks the pro-VPN crowd has made massive gains thus far, but it's still too early to determine whether or not the VPN ban proposal will make it through the legislature.
No. 2440800>>2440812
>>2440795If you don't want a VPN ban, that's fine. But most anons have voted in favor of a VPN ban, which you can see looking at the results of the poll. If you need more help, you can refer to the picture in this
>>2439522 post
No. 2440826
>>2440822This.
I prefer to be fully anonymous. Why should the mods know about the extent of my retardation?
No. 2441000>>2441001
>>2440990the mods are still unreliable at best, they've bullied anons across threads with whatever info they can access to (whether IP, post history, etc), that's
deeply concerning and it's a
valid complaint. Whatever measures you can get your hands onto to avoid these people to keep tabs on you shouldn't be prohibited
No. 2441007
Remember the time burritomin did a poll and went against what most anons actually voted for? Lolcow farms remembers
>>2441001NTA but the moovie night thread incident that was discussed earlier
No. 2441050
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I dont care so I think the nonnys should keep their vpn
No. 2441072>>2441074>>2441075
>>2441067But nothing you said has anything to do with VPNs?
>>2441069Yeah? I've used the site for years and nothing bad ever happened to me. That and VPNs don't hide you post history
No. 2441078>>2441083
>>2441075Yeah but I don't understand what VPNs have to do with any of those cases
>>2441074Idk I've said some very retarded crazy schizo things before and the most I got was a 1 day ban and when I appealed and said sorry they unbanned me
No. 2441083>>2441201
>>2441078A VPN would be useful for unfair (
not infighting) bans like those examples
No. 2441123>>2441126
>>2441118Is this the same anon who got her IP revealed for talking about fucking
cat litter? Because that is the most innocent thing to samefag about, too.
No. 2441172>>2441179
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I don't really support it. Banning VPNs would just end up taking away a layer of privacy on the grounds that users here "can't behave". Ultimately, more anons need to learn to report bait, and not respond to it. It's hard sometimes when you see pure bullshit, but it's literally the only fucking way lol. You don't need to reply to every idiot, or any at all. Just hit report, let the mods handle it and then speak up in /meta/ if they don't.
Just like on 4chan with its own VPN ban, baiters and spammers will still sperg, particularly autistic ones will find workarounds and get away with it every time (some literally pay money and have been at it for years), anons will keep responding when they should report/ignore, and the VPN ban will just end up being a weird punishment for the legitimate farmers who do use them.
No. 2441185>>2441194
>>2441179I don't think the anons who make it a habit to respond to bait particularly care if they get a little ban as long as they got to "own" the baiter (I also don't think anyone should be banned for longer than maybe 6 hours just for responding to bait).
The baiters keep coming back because they always get replies and reactions. Nothing for a scrote ban evade for if all that ever happens is that everyone ignores him and his shit gets deleted.
No. 2441205>>2441212
>>2441190>>2441201None of the anons mentioned in
>>2441045 were shitposters. Moovie anon isn't a shitposter, stop assuming things
No. 2441212>>2441219
>>2441205We're talking about people like
>>2439558 and the dozens of others that find immense joy in shitting up the board
No. 2441224>>2441232>>2441257
>>2441220ntayrt but nobody is talking about the anons you mentioned lol we're talking about the shitposters that use a vpn as a way to constantly evade bans and engage in stupid infights and bait
prime example is unpopular opinions. as mentioned in
>>2439625 when the vpn ban was on during december that thread was super slow and it wasn't as filled with bait and infighting as it is usually
No. 2441232>>2441246>>2441514
>>2441224would you compromise anons privacy over 4-5 shitposters that WILL find a way to fuck around eventually?
>prime example is unpopular opinionsit's almost like that thread should've been permanently nuked to begin with
No. 2441246>>2441257
>>2441232>that thread should've been permanently nuked to begin withbut that doesn't work. we saw what happened with dumbass shit.
>would you compromise anons privacy over 4-5 shitpostersthere is way more than 4-5 shitposters kek. your privacy is compromised as soon as you post on this site, VPN or not. so few anons use VPNs to post to begin with that banning them won't make a big difference.
>>2441244admin has already assured those that need a VPN to post because of their countries of residence will have the option to do so
No. 2441313>>2441316
>>2441288but they don't need to have your ip to have your post history.
>>2441309be for real
No. 2441328>>2441335>>2441475
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>>2441309They already can kek they can see your device model. Tbh I'm seeing more anger and fearmongering (albeit a bit required considering this is a girl chan board) what other alternatives can nonas suggest? Without hiring more mods?What do you think they should do to quell the rampant newfaggery (who refuse to integrate and try to become personalityfags attentionwhores) and troons and moids spaming cp including lolishit and shotashit which can land the site in trouble ( yeah yeah the CIA honeypots are a another thing) day by day we are seeing new users who only want to treat lolcow as if it were a discord server and not a gossip site for lolcows so much I've seen countless posts about deleting or locking cow threads. The consequences of dumbass shit and fandom discourse has been devastating for the board.
No. 2441354>>2441360
>>2441346I'm not talking about
me though, this has been happening to other anons. There are risk to posting on imageboards but your safety shouldn't be compromised on regular basis wtf
No. 2441358>>2441360>>2441372
>>2441346Nta but this is literally a lolcow site, do you really think that mods here
aren't going to have a field day laughing at peoples post histories or have anons that they consider personal cows? If the staff on any imageboard were doing this, it would 100% be this one. It really isn't far fetched at all to think that this could be happening, if anything it's naive to think that it isn't.
No. 2441360>>2441366
>>2441358i think that's crazy but even if it was true why would you care and why would you still use the site?
>>2441354>your safety shouldnt be compromisedwhat in the martyr complex is this supposed to mean kek
No. 2441364>>2441368>>2441372
>>2441356and then what happens when appealing doesn't work like here
>>2440320?
No. 2441372>>2441412>>2441449
>>2441344the "well-behaved" posters in question can try to appeal their ban or take it to /meta/. the first ban i ever received was retarded and broke no rules and i didn't notice until the next day when the ban was over. i took it to /meta/, it didn't get a response, i moved on.
>>2441364that's a specific case between that user and the admins, i don't know what to tell you. you or she could take it to /meta/ or email an admin
>>2441343kek, do you even know where you are?
>>2441358that's all the more reason for nonas to stop using this site as their personal diary. being on an anonymous imageboard doesn't make someone exempt from being made fun of. the cows on /snow/ get no special treatment because they post their shit publically on social media. if someone can't handle the idea of people reading your post history and potentially making fun of it then maybe they should reconsider what they're posting.
No. 2441412>>2441418>>2441439>>2441485
>>2441372I don't know why we're pretending "contacting the admin" works in every case. There's one example in here if you'd read the thread back
>>>/ot/2440117 and this isn't even the only time I've heard of this happening.
>>2441278AYRT yes, everything you're saying makes sense to me. I think another problem is a weird combination of newfags being the new age zoomer/youngest millenial crowd who want websites and users to cater to their expectations of how the site should be, and oldfags who want things to stay the same forever. The annoying newfags should go back to shitting their pants on twitter, but I do feel bad for the oldfags. Of course we want our lolcor to be what it has always been, but the userbase and the internet are both changing, and so the way threads are used and what they're about will change.
And same as you, I've only been banned for derailing lately (on accident, wasn't thinking when replying to an anon). I'll fully admit that I used to get banned for infighting as a newfag, but those bans were good because they taught me how to not be a faggot.
We should be thinking of banning not as a solution, but rather as a teaching aid. Tiktok retard censors "suicide", gets banned for self censoring, tiktok user's next post is less retarded. Which is why farmhands should ban for responding to bait, and give longer bans to anons who keep doing it. Ad hoc VPN bans in threads should be a "solution" deployed when infights get out of control, and then multiday bans applied to the infighting anons.
>>2441335I like this idea! Yes, it sucks, but it would easily get rid of the retards who are too lazy to figure out the site. It doesn't even need to be permanent, they can be hidden over summer and on holiday breaks. And I don't think hiding them will be a board killer, I managed to find out about the current hidden boards without someone holding my hand.
Admins should hide boards more often, like when we get posted somewhere and /snow/ gets invaded. Then they can unhide when it calms down. Fuck it, temporarily change the board name while it's hidden and post about it somewhere on /meta/, I don't give a shit. Most people don't check /meta/ and have shit reading comprehension besides, we'd curve a bunch of low iq speds like this.
No. 2441426>>2441438>>2441439
>>2441418Even when I've gotten banned and it already expired by the time I got back to lc, I felt shame. This is normal response. For abnormal response, like stupid baiting in threads, deploy thread-specific VPN ban. Now when banning, anons can't VPN post, and anyone who tries to restart the infight gets banned on their bare naked IP.
Also, there should be frequent banning for bait and responding to bait in general. We're always going to get newfags, it keeps the site healthy. How are they meant to integrate if there aren't redtexts telling them what responding to bait or infighting looks like?
No. 2441439>>2441457
>>2441412>I don't know why we're pretending "contacting the admin" works in every case. why are you replying to me? i never said it works in every case, i said these issues should be taken to /meta/. i didn't say contacting the admin would get a response because i'm not contacting admin. these specific examples of permabanned users should not be used as an argument for why baiters, scrotes, newfags and raiders should be allowed to switch IPs and ban evade and ruin the site for everyone. i have most threads hidden but yet i noticed a huge difference in the site during the Hellmas VPN ban. if someone is unfairly permabanned then that's between that user and the admins, it's not an argument to let retards run rampant. some of you are looking for reasons to justify your VPN usage
>>2439659>That was funny to witness. Really exposed the type of losers that post in that thread.absolutely nona, it really showed who's running those threads
>>2441426agreed
No. 2441453>>2441456
>>2441438See
>>2441278 for why that won't work forever. Honestly, I don't even care if unpopular opinions and other similar threads have perma VPN bans. It would suck, but oh well.
No. 2441456>>2441469>>2441487
>>2441449Okay. Let's say tomorrow the farmhands compile every single one of my posts and make a page with every single one visible. So what? It's not like I've ever posted my face here or my legal name or my exact address or my social media accounts. So what if random anonymous people know about my random anonymous posts? Why would I care? It's anonymous. I don't care what anonymous people say about me online and I don't care if people see all my posts because they have no clue who I am or have any way of knowing who I am.
>>2441453So in effect, you'd want a VPN ban in every thread besides the niche ones that nobody uses? At that point why not just ban VPNs on all of /ot/?
No. 2441457
>>2441439>why are you replying to me?That is how this site works. I can reply to whoever I want, forever.
>some of you are looking for reasons to justify your VPN usageIt's weird you're treating VPNs like a criminal or immoral act? Anons can use VPNs whenever they want kek
No. 2441458>>2441461>>2441463
>>2441423>>2441425how is it fearmongering when the staff has proven to have done strange things numerous times…were you two just not around back then?
>>2441404no you don't get it discussing movies, venting in the vent thread, or using other threads appropriately and on-topic are bannable offenses and anyone banned for that deserves it duh. if you're against strange vendettas you're guilty
No. 2441475>>2441487
>>2441328>what other alternatives can nonas suggest?I think bait and infighting posts should be deleted instead of just redtexted. CC mods do this.
And this
>>2441335 No. 2441478
>>2441450Talking about getting an UTI (a health concern) at the corresponding thread at /g/ is oversharing now? fuck off
>>2441469They're acting obtuse on purpose atp, i swear
No. 2441480>>2441484
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Can we just ban Australians? They've been ruining images boards for a long time
No. 2441482>>2441490
>>2441449>Everyone is aware that their posts are public and anyone can view them or laugh at them,i'm gonna be real with you nona, i'm not so sure about that. you can't say "everyone is aware" because only you are aware of your own thoughts and feelings and i don't think every single user posting on this site is aware of that. you're giving the jannies and admin way too much power. if you're that worried about what's going to happen to you over your post history, then you shouldn't be using this site. you're acting like /snow/, /pt/, and /w/ don't exist. the only difference i see between a group of people laughing at what PT says on facebook vs mods laughing at a random users post history is that they don't have a face to attach the posts to. your IP doesn't magically show the world your entire identity, you have the power and the choice to decide what you post, and i sure as hell am not posting about my personal life on here because i'm well-aware of the type of people who use this site
>>2441469if people don't want to be identified then they shouldn't be posting identifiable information on here, it's that simple
No. 2441484
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>>2441480They also seem to be immune from bans. Isn't that weird?
No. 2441487
>>2441475I know I said banning should be used as a teaching aid. But fuck it, I wouldn't mind this, either. I'll try anything once, even twice.
>>2441456Honestly, the only threads I see crazy infighting in are unpopular opinions, confessions, fujocoomer, fandom discourse, and fujo vs antifujo. There are nasty anons in vent, but I think deleting those bitch ass replies would solve it. Occasional infights will break out in other adjacent threads, like in last thread in artist salt, but for the most part anons are really good at ignoring stupid shit in there and keeping disagreements tame. Gender ideology thread outright ignores seething trannies and promptly reports them on /meta/, it's a funny and impressive machine.
No. 2441508>>2441515>>2441585
>>2441469Anons that post in the friend finder thread forgo the right to anonymity by virtue of de-anonymizing themselves. If you wanted to post in the friend finder thread, you should have made a unique email or social media account.
>>2441490What are you even talking about at this point? If you don't share your personal details on this website, then there is no way for farmhands to identify you. I mean, at this point you should be more worried about the super autists that have tracked down personalityfags like Yuripedo, Rancefag, and BJchan on different social media platforms.
>>2441501But you are not protected by a VPN right now. The mods can still see your entire post history right now.
>>2441503Those bans are likely appealed. When I get banned for stupid shit like that and my appeals are accepted, the red text remains on my post even if the ban is no longer
valid. Besides, who really cares if they get banned for 6 hours? It's a glorified time out, and frankly some anons need that.
No. 2441515>>2441523
>>2441508It's not even the length of the ban that's annoying but the stupidity and newfaggotry of whoever handed it out. It's about the principle.
>>2441511Burritomin part 2
No. 2441543
>>2441541What…? The VPN ban isn't in effect yet.
>>2441535Yeah, every post that is in support of a VPN ban is actually made by Cerbmin. That makes so much sense.
No. 2441576>>2441578>>2441581
>>2441574tbh it
is kinda weird this thread is at /ot/
No. 2441581>>2441584
>>2441572"oooh I'm totally not them trust me oooh its a joke!" fuck OFF. FUCK OFF. bro stop being so obvious. fuck.
>>2441576thank you. it always should have been in /meta/ but they locked the thread and forced us here to make the "discussion" "organic" and then make obvious as fuck posts like this
>>2441563 No. 2441585>>2441600>>2443006
>>2441508>you should have made a unique email or social media account.I said what I said assuming this would be the case. Regardless of how unique the account is, a farmhand could still contact you and fuck with you, respond to your post and try to embarrass you in front of other anons, etc. You may think, "why would a farmhand risk their reputation like this?", but it's not like you could do much to prove that it was a farmhand abusing their powers. You could claim that it was happening all you wanted, but you wouldn't have actual proof. Other anons would just think you were a crazy schizo making nonsense claims, because what reason would they have to believe you?
>What are you even talking about at this point?So lets say, an anon is into a niche game, niche music and a particular type of fashion. She posts about these things in posts all seperate from eachother. If a farmhand really wanted to, they could look at her post history, combine all of these traits together, and look for her on various platforms. They have the power of the people who are able to track down personalityfags, except for everyone, and with much less effort required. This is also ignoring the implications that come with IPs revealing general location, which make matters considerably worse in this regard.
>But you are not protected by a VPN right nowWhy do you assume that us paranoid anons only use a VPN? I'm also taking other measures in combination with the VPN. It is still an integral part however.
Yes, I am very neurotic and paranoid, not going to deny that. But what I said still stands true.
No. 2441614>>2441632
>>2441584But cerbmin is a trio of people
nonnie…not just one mysterious being kek
No. 2441616>>2441621>>2441637
>>2441613But
HOW would they track you down anon? How would they track you down based on your interests? You are not the only human being alive with those interests.
WHY would they care about tracking you down anyway?
No. 2441621
>>2441616she probably couldn't give you an answer because she's conveniently stepping out, as arguing is "pointless" and "silly" so she had to pompously announce her departure before storming off. but you're asking the real questions anon
>>2441619i think there's probably going to be a runoff poll to decide between VPN ban and ad hoc because of how the results look
No. 2441632
>>2441614nta but i stopped believing the trio meme after the long lack of, well everything kek. it's obvious that only one person runs lc now
>>2441619i thought the general conscious was that /ot/ needed it the most, while other boards vary depending on the thread. genuinely surprised the /ot/ option is only in third place
No. 2441641
>>2441534Nobody is going to track you down because of an obscure husbando unless you're being a super annoying personalityfag.
Seriously so many of you are just paranoid. Do you really think your posts are interesting enough for the farmhands to make fun of you about?
No. 2441655>>2441698
>>2441642If you're implying that Zoomers don't know what VPNs are, you're dead wrong. VPNs have been well-known since the mid-2010s. Almost every popular influencer has had a sponsorship deal with a VPN provider. I'd say Zoomers are more likely to use a VPN than Millennials.
>>2441649>>2441651You can still see some that were posted in the Post-Hellmas thread on /ot/:
>>>/ot/2328032 No. 2441707>>2441716>>2441810
>>2441688>The VPN ban wouldn't make moderation any better because they refuse to moderate. the VPN ban would hold the fort for them while they're sleeping. Permabanned users couldn't hop on VPN when they notice a blackout and exploit the fact that there is no jannies online. baiting losers love to camp out in /meta/, they know when they can exploit the blackouts i mentioned
>If you truly believe that you would benefit from a VPN ban, I wonder what kind of shit you postwhy do you care? this has nothing to do with me. the only way i would be benefitting from the vpn ban is the same way i benefitted from it during Hellmas: i enjoyed browsing the site more than i normally did. that's it. this isn't about me benefitting from anything, it's about the health of the website & having a better integrated userbase. it's about people accepting the fact that they were banned for a couple hours instead of ban evading and dragging pointless infights across multiple threads and shitting up the whole website. scrotes post here and should be permabanned so they can't come back. people who routinely bait to the point of being permabanned should not be here, they are not contribiting to the site and would be the ones "benefitting" the most when there aren't stricter measures in place to keep these people out
No. 2442353>>2442357>>2442362>>2443924
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>>2440772>Thursday, March 13th UpdateIt's been two days since the poll launched. So far, there's been 303 votes cast.
>193 votes for a VPN ban>110 votes against a VPN banLooks like the anti-ban crowd has seen some small gains since yesterday, but the pro-ban crowd is still in the lead by over 83 votes. Perhaps the most surprising element of this poll thus far is realizing how few anons actually check /meta/!
No. 2442384>>2442392>>2442728
>>2442369I'm not new which is why I've said that.
>>2442381Being sarcastic won't make you seem any less like a fake kek
No. 2442387
>>2442362I thought you might be exaggerating but then read the post you're replying to and you're actually downplaying it
>Thursday, March 13th Update, To wit, I have found nothing wrong with this remote place, and I must admit it will be with some melancholy that I will leave this island and return home.KEKK these updates are hilarious
No. 2442728
>>2442384>if a farmer has a different opinion than me she can't be realGrow up.
>>2442720Exactly.
No. 2442985
>>2442416KEK. Hadn't seen this in a minute but so true.
>>2442549Might not stop them but makes it harder, for sure.
No. 2442988>>2442991
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>>2442972>>2442972No need google, its a bird I checked
No. 2443006
>>2441585Jesus christ. No one is coming for you dime a dozen fujos, chill. You sound so fucking boring. If having lolifag pedo wallscrolls isn't considered milk anymore, what makes you think you're a big enough cow to go to all that trouble for? If they had the savvy and time to invest, you wouldn't even hit their radar.
>>2442970This 1000 times.
No. 2443021>>2443023>>2443034>>2443035>>2443707
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The amount of narcs iit that think farmhands give any shit about some anonymous retards that they'll go out of their way to look for them, sorry but fanfiction isnt reality
No. 2443035
>>2443021They don't really
believe that, they're throwing whatever at the wall to see what sticks to fear-monger and convince anons to vote against a VPN ban. They think if they say something enough times, we'll all believe it. They know that the majority of anons on /ot/ want a VPN ban because we all saw what happened in December, and specifically, what happened when they turned the December ban off.
No. 2443064>>2443110
>>2442992i didn’t even say anything mean in response to her? i was just agreeing with the very true fact that farmhands are not stalking you and don’t care about you
>>2443034i’m sorry i don’t understand what any of this is supposed to mean. posting incoherence like this in response to average posts isn’t a great from of infight baiting
No. 2443110>>2443153
>>2443045I will not respond to you A-logging to my shitpost.
>>2443064Why are you defending farmhands so much Anon? Theyre jannies who moderate a public forum. Stop eating them out.
No. 2443337
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>>2443219cause trying to be quirky copypasta esque responses like that are always kinda cringe no matter what the topic of discussion might me. also i googled it and it looks like that’s not the case nona..
No. 2443716>>2443765
>>2443707They could post the milk on another imageboard instead.
>>2443579CC banned VPNs?
No. 2443732>>2443751
>>2443707There's been a lot of farmers lately who keep insisting jannies are obsessed with them and their post histories, this seems like the longform fanfic version of that tale. Also no one cares what happens on discord, outside of things that can be legally reported like child porn. The idea that farmers would be upset or embarrassed by the idea of
anyone "laughing at them on discord" is sort of like the fat guy ordering diet pepsi from mcdonalds meme. It's really irrelevant what they're doing on discord, they're on discord
No. 2443924>>2444676>>2444830>>2444863>>2445438
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>>2442353>Friday, March 14th UpdateIt's been three days since the poll launched. So far, there's been 321 votes cast.
>212 votes for a VPN ban>130 votes against a VPN banAnother 39 votes were cast since the last poll update. The pro-VPN ban crowd is still in the lead by 82 votes.
No. 2443951>>2443959>>2443961
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>>2443153NTA, but they are. Ex-farmhands have admitted it over the years. Even if you're dedicated to the idea that all of those posters are liars and LARPers, think for a second about the kind of person who would be on a site like this, then the kind who'd moderate it, and then the kind who'd moderate it
for free. You have the choice to get over it and post whatever you want anyway, or decide to tailor your posts around the idea of impressing a stranger (or obscuring certain facts about your life that you don't want to be laughed at), but if they're pissed at you or someone's just curious, it'll happen and you can't stop it. And anyone who's been here long enough knows that we've had all kinds of stable and unstable people in the mod and admin team.
I won't talk about the Discord servers because I don't know much about them, but yeah, some of the things said about them are true. I think it makes sense to want to hide some things, like your location.
No. 2443974>>2443984>>2443986>>2444668
>>2443956A janny didn't compile the posts. It was one of the autistic farmers of the same stock that identified BJchan's posts on Reddit and discovered Yuripedo's identity. You should be more worried about these autists rather than mods that are too busy moderate half the day.
>>2443967How would the jannies figure out anything about you? Use your brain for a minute. You shouldn't be posting personal information on here that could identify you to begin with.
If you really cared so much about post history and personal identity and location revealing, you'd be up in arms about EXIF scrapping too, but you aren't because you don't really care about any of those things you just wanna be able to evade bans easily.
No. 2443984>>2443987>>2443993
>>2443974? I do think it's wrong for LC to not remove EXIF data from photos. That's why I don't post personal photos here, but I wouldn't blame another anon if she got some weirdo stalking her because she posted a photo of her desk or something here. I thought Cerbmin mentioned doing something about that in an update, but maybe I'm wrong.
I think the way you're accusing people of things for not sharing your exact viewpoint is overly defensive and weird. I'm just saying that farmhands actually do look through people's post history at will, and there's no mental evaluation for who gets to be a janny on lolcow.farm. About all there is to trust is that they're most likely female (and you better hope no one has a weird boyfriend they share every single thing with).
No. 2443986
>>2442961>now it's nonas crying they can't post about their UTIs. I hate /ot/ only newfaggotsBathroom talk its at /g/, retard
>>2443974>How would the jannies figure out anything about you? >You shouldn't be posting personal information on here that could identify you to begin withNta but you don't need personal info to compile data on somebody, just enough details + location to narrow things down. If random autists can do it, a group of people with access to such information could do so even faster
No. 2444130>>2444661>>2444853>>2444932
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>>2440818Yeah, obviously. If we look at the statistics provided in
>>>/meta/71238 we can see how few anons are using VPNs. In the 14 day period, there were about 1984 posts made per day. Since 13.4% of posts were made via a VPN, that means about 266 posts were made per day with a VPN. It would have been helpful if they showed statistics about how many bans are issued for posts that were made through a VPN. It sucks that a lot of regular users will have to give up their VPN use because of a small sect of rabid rule-breakers, but there's so few of them to begin with that it's hard to feel bad for them.
No. 2444658>>2444665
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since its likely the vpn bad wont go through there should be a thread dedicated to VPN bans via public/free VPN services. here's mine
No. 2444744
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>>2440963nta, I would volunteer if it means maintaining an online space for women to express their honest opinions anonymously without fear of scrutiny or repercussion.
>inb4 what if mods track your post history youre not actually anonymousthere are no accounts, unless you've posted your full government name and face there is no way to actually pin you to the posts you've made on LC even if a vendettafag finds your accounts/job.
>What about artwork I posted on the siteJust say it was reuploaded by someone else, dumb excuse but theres no way of proving otherwise.
>What if I said a hyperspecific thing that only applies to me?The world is big, theres probably at least 2 people who had the same experiences as you.
If your location is discovered by your IP it can go either one or two ways:
>You live in a big city so its arduous to actually track you within a large population>You live in a small area, but its the middle of bumfuck nowhere so whos going to take the effort of transporting there or sending blackmail to a normie workplace with evidence that has no bearing to you because of the lack of account/precise identification. No. 2444830>>2444834>>2444849
>>2444676>>2444677The pro-VPN ban is split between 4 options, whereas the anti-VPN ban only has one option. So looking at
>>2443924 we can see that 38% of voters are opposed to a VPN ban, and 62% are support a VPN ban.
No. 2444853
>>2444834If we take the stats from
>>2444130 and extrapolate, there's on average 83 posts made per hour. If 13% of posts are made through a VPN, then that means about 11 posts are made every hour through a VPN and 72 are made every hour without a VPN. You're overestimating how many anons use VPNs to post here and you're overestimating how many posts those users make.
>>2444849Cerb should have thought more about how to conduct the poll. It comes off as rushed or like they didn't get any feedback on it before posting. If the anti VPN ban option wins, then the majority of the voters will feel alienated because the majority of voters wanted a VPN ban.
No. 2444862>>2444952
>>2444856If you were paying attention in December, you might have noticed that a lot of the VPNtards congregated on CC to whine about being unable to post bait and infight during the VPN ban. I think that a lot of them are really scared by the prospect of a VPN ban because it would mean an end to one of their favorite hobbies. I don't think everybody that uses a VPN is a chronic ban evader, but I do think that the chronic ban evaders are the loudest and most vocal type of VPNtard.
>>2444857Not really, no.
No. 2444891>>2444899>>2444922
>>2444863Ntayrt but
>banned on an ad hoc basisIs the current status quo. It's like how they banned VPNs in the Amerifags thread during the election cycle (which immediately got rid of virtually all baiting and infighting). The other 4 options would have a substantial change. I still don't know why the other options were included. It seems like the majority of anons that wanted a VPN ban specifically said they wanted it for /ot/ only or /ot/ and /g/. The poll should have just been two options, not 5. I wish Cerb used the site more and actually communicated with us, it would have solved a lot of problems.
No. 2444915>>2444926>>2444932
>>2444910If their statistics were false would you care to share with us the actual data?
>>2444911But the stats they posted do share with us how many people used VPN’s when posting their comments and how many didn’t, it was about 13.8% of VPN IP’s, so that means around 86.2% of the rest of the comments were posted by anons using their personal IP addresses.
No. 2444917>>2444932
>>2444906nta but that’s exactly what it means retard KEK? lurking with a vpn means nothing, whoever is
posting with a vpn is a
POSTER who is using vpn.
No. 2444932>>2444934>>2444946>>2444960
>>2444899The problem with this is that it doesn't work. Unpopular Opinions was never a problem thread until Dumbass Shit was autosaged and all the newfags that lived in that thread migrated there. If Unpopular Opinions and Fandom were hit with a VPN ban, the freaks that live in those threads would migrate out into new ones to shit up.
>>2444915>>2444917You're interpreting the data wrong. Look at
>>2444130 again and read what it says.
>% of posts that are by VPN users>13.4%So that means of the 27775 posts made in the 2 weeks, 3722 were made through a VPN. For all we know, that could be 2 VPN users that each made 1886 posts each. We have no way of knowing how many users actively use a VPN, only the amount of posts that were made
through a VPN.
>>2444922>I thought it meant that would happen more oftenThis is the problem with the ad hoc option; it's dependent on active moderators. We have really poor moderation here. If one thread needs an ad hoc ban at 12 o'clock, by the time moderators are active to do something about it it might already be 3 o'clock and the thread no longer needs one.
No. 2444939>>2444943
>>2444936Oh yeah I know it doesn’t give us a specific, singular number of "how many anons" are using a VPN, and I’m not concerned about “how many” are using a VPN. I’m concerned about VPN users having the ability to ban evade. And sure, 13.4% of
posts might not be 13.4% of
individuals, but less than 15% of comments still isn’t the majority.
No. 2444943>>2444947>>2444954>>2444966
>>2444939I understand, I just don't think it's appropriate to make claims that can't be backed up. We don't know how many anons regularly use a VPN, but it's clear that the vast majority of anons post without using one. That's why it's so strange seeing so many posts like
>>2444834 because it's obvious that VPN users are a very small minority on LCF. If a VPN did go into effect site-wide, the site would slow down by less than 15%.
Ban evasion is the number one reason that I'm in support of a blanket VPN ban on /ot/. I'm tired of the farmhands having no real way to counter the retards that consistently evade bans. Besides being annoying, it's also a massive waste of staff time to have to deal with these people. I don't think that a VPN ban would be useful on the cow boards because I don't think ban evasion is as prevalent anywhere else on the site as it is on /ot/. I also think that some farmers would appreciate the security provided by a VPN when posting milk.
No. 2444950>>2444970
>>2444946I didn't say that it wasn't a problem before that, but I think that it's true that it's gotten significantly worse since the Dumbass Shit thread was autosaged. It's gotten especially fast since 2024.
>>24449474ch has an infinitely larger userbase and staff team than LC has. Comparing LC to 4ch is like comparing apples to oranges. Just because they're both IBs doesn't mean they're more similar than that.
No. 2444966
>>2444943> I just don't think it's appropriate to make claims that can't be backed upI know that ____ speaking you could say it’s a “claim that can’t be backed up” but come on, we do essentially know how many posts on LC are made by VPN’s, even if we don’t technically know how many VPNfags exist.
Sorry I had to include a space. I can’t remember the word I want to use but I don’t want to change my sentence so I just moved on without it>>2444956NTAYRT but 13.4% of posts does sound like the actual minority, I’m sorry anon.
No. 2444970>>2444991
>>2444950Samefag, just to back up my point: From 2016-2023, there was 108 Unpopular Opinions threads. In 2024 alone there were 56 threads made. I think that the threads sped up significantly once Dumbass Shit was autosaged.
>>2444953>>2444959Range bans would prevent them from posting again, no matter what they do. That's why we need to get rid of VPNs, because once ban evaders are stuck relying on their home IPs they can be properly dealt with through range bans.
>>2444963Stop engaging. It's obvious that it's just schizobabble. Don't bother.
No. 2444991>>2444993>>2445001
>>2444970A range ban risks way too many random people who haven’t done anything getting banned which is why they’re heavily criticized
>>2444953This is just one of the reasons why a VPN ban shouldn’t happen, it’s basically pointless and not even a band-aid solution. They’re just one of the many ways people ban evade. When it was mentioned earlier nonnies said it was a threat to raid lolcow and that you would have to pay to do any other option which are both false. This is why I agree that it’s lazy moderation’s fault. Because if you looked at the site before the 2022-2023 moderator change there was way less bullshit. Like that other anon said, 2023 and 2024 alone had way more spamming and infighting going on than the years prior. Even the 2021 Creepshow outing caused less insanity and that brought in a whole ton of new friends that the old mods were able to deal with well, I’m convinced that if an incident like that happened today there would be barely any moderation and the site would just go to spammed shit until the storm cleared
No. 2445001>>2445006
>>2444991Actually I think the new image detection tool that Cerb implemented early on helped curb a lot of the more nasty raids containing CSAM and gore. I remember there being way more raids before Cerbmin took control.
I don't think range bans deserve the criticism they get. If there's an anon that's caught up in a range ban, all they have to do is email the admin to get their IP unblocked. It takes less than a day to resolve.
No. 2445019>>2445042
>>2445005>>2445007If you're referring to the Hellweek stats, it means there was at least one post from 5681 devices, but not every one of those devices was limited to one IP. So, for example, if someone uses LCF on her phone, she might post something from her home IP, then her cell data IP, then her work IP. So that's 1 device tied to 3 IPs. This explains why there's a discrepancy between the number of devices and the number of IPs. It's important to remember that those stats aren't counting those that lurk. I know some farmers that use this site everyday, but only post once or twice a month.
>>2445006Yeah, I can't remember the last time I saw any CSAM on here. I think it still happens occasionally if we go by what's reported in /meta/, but for the most part I think it's a thing of the past. The bad image detection tool, the image recovery, and the catalog update are probably the best things Cerbmin has done as admin so far.
No. 2445438>>2445451>>2446972
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>>2443924>Saturday March 15th UpdateWith only 3 days left until the poll closes, 370 votes have already been cast.
>226 votes for a VPN ban>144 votes against a VPN ban28 votes were cast since the last update on Friday. The pro-VPN ban crowd remains in the lead by 82 votes
No. 2445527
>>2445453>>2445474It would've been a better structure to have a simple yes/no poll, then a second question like "If yes, then how should it be implemented?" with the other 4 options listed. No matter the outcome, there's going to be frustration and comments like
>>2444834 questioning the results. They basically set themselves up for failure.
No. 2446228>>2446294>>2446504
>>2446139Nta but not even a tinfoil if you saw what happened with the "good moid stories" thread. I'll link again since everyone seems to have goldfish memory now
>>>/meta/84869Even cerbmin had to step in to remove that specific farmhand's privileges. And the many other times where telling infighters to go away results in a ban while the actual infighters still go on and evade for hours
No. 2446972>>2447507
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>>2445438>Sunday March 16th UpdateOnly 2 days left for the poll! 19 more votes were cast since yesterday morning, bringing the total number of votes cast to 389.
>236 votes for a VPN ban>153 votes against a VPN ban60.7% of anons are looking forward to a VPN ban, while 39.3% of anons are against one.
No. 2447411
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1) make an .onion website
2) >(e.g. Russia: I am literally posting using a VPN with a Екатеринбург server. Since the admin for this website is not aware of the fact that commies did more for women than any of your half arsed attempt at being edgy, this is clearly a DMO for the Great Satan. Hardly anyone trully in danger will sell their data to the CIA. Therefore the need for using VPN is absolutely absent.
3) make a .onion website
4) I don't want to get banned because I'm not larping as a stereotypical wombyn
5) did I already tell you to make an .onion website?
6) because of the USA PATRIOT Act, VPNs are forced to give the encrypted data and the keys for said encrypted data to the CIA whenever the CIA asks for it. The land of the free will fuck you up if muh China will ask them nicely enough (Google which countries own the most US debt).
7) there is literally no reason to make a .onion website, since Tor uses PRISM infrastructure. You are fucked anyway. PRISM was used in Afghanistan, my dears. 79% of all Tor nodes are hosted within 14 Eyes Survaillance Countries. The CIA is backing the Taliban. Iran, Nigeria and all the countries that could kill you for your opinions have literally 0 organizations managing any of the DNS root servers. Your data is handled by the CIA and then sent to the local glowies who will slit your throat. If you are not dangerous to the richniggers in Beverly Hills, you are not dangerous to the CIA, which means you are also not dangerous to the local glowies. Therefore banning VPN is literally just to ban all the retarded trannies, the cunts who are too autistic to "integrate" and the moids who want their minute of attention from the trannies that didn't post their girldick (yet).
8) lets be fucking honest here, the complete fucking absence of raw data and non-idealist utopic fantasies in any of your "I hate men" posts makes any of you cunts completely harmless. The autism of the feminists of yore is long gone, now it's all a larp from affluent, middle-class, urban, western cultures.
9) the real deal is on mainstream websites, where women scare the moids by talking about stuff that moids don't like. There is literally 0 femcel booktuber who is getting harassed right now, because the average moid is going to get filtered by the 2 hours long videoessay on the Handmaid's tale.
10) the same applies to the Iranian girls: they will not hop on le obscure website that focuses on american lolcows. They will talk on the iranian (or whatever else their country is) mainstream websites/collectives/systems, and create stuff from there.
11) you create opposition not from formal affirmation, but from practical confirmation. Which lolcow does not do.
For all these reason, VPN is for paranoid women, and for moids who don't know how long is the ban for breaking Article 4 point 3 of the Global Rules. Supporting the VPN unban equals to: perpetuate the presence of moids and the enabling of paranoids.
Therefore, I vote in favour of the VPN unban. I don't wanna get framed.
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>>2447909yeah 13.4% is huge. totally. here btw, i think you dropped your jacket. you should put it back on, it's really chilly.