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>>>/ot/2351907Discuss art and related topics such as:
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art (do not shill about your ai trained models key words on a prompt do not make you a artist)
-do not post your art to be reviewed here use the designated m thread
-screencaps are necessary while talking about milk
SCREENCAP EVERYTHING!
DO NOT REPLY TO BAIT! REPORT AND IGNORE!
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon
Useful youtube channels:
https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2>where to find arthttps://www.wikiart.org/eshttps://artvee.com/>other useful siteshttps://film-grab.com/https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawinghttps://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheelhttps://freephotomuscle.com/painting by :Artemisia Gentileschi
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND. also check e-hentai and bilibili
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>>2405781Not a problem, beautiful nonna, mwah
Thanks for the books!
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Based threadpic, her Beheading painting was always a million times better than Carfaggio's
>>2405786>>2405788Shut the fuck up. It's a new thread the derail should end.
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>>2405786I just want everyone to know that they are defending a character who is literally known as being a "mascohist", from the IM@S game where you literally basically date them (yeah, you "raise" them, but you talk to them, whatever.) "Hiro is referred to as a masochist by the Producer, as she enjoys being berated by him and being seen as "a lost cause." She calls the producer a demon, saying it's what she likes most about him." This isn't just a "loli" character, she is literally goonbait from a gooner game LMFAO. The game "gakuen" is literally A RAISING IDOL simulator. There is an obvious fucking difference.
>A genius girl who gives off a mysterious vibe. She graduated from a math and science university overseas at the age of 14. Tired of living an easy and boring life, she enrolled in Hatsuboshi Gakuen to try things she's bad at. She scored perfectly on academics but scored zero on the practicals during the entrance exams. The interview evaluation by the principal was also rated excellent. She is a weirdo who finds joy in "grueling lessons" and "things that don't go well". She became an idol because she thinks "she's the least cut out for it". (derailing/leave it in the last thread) No. 2405794
>>2405788She is right tbf that people give Sailor Moon and CCS a break despite the content and fanbase.
Neither really have much to do with the thread, though. Just consider the type of thread and the people who post in it before posting something from idolmaster, even if there's a thread for the franchise for it on this site.
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How do I feel like I'm not failing my husbandos whenever I do something that isn’t art? I got really into body building and sports and I stopped drawing for months and barely wrote because I was positively in love with the ball. But I felt an odd guilt. Like I was neglecting my wife for a lady at work. Art has been my lifelong dream, I have been working on my story and oc's since 3rd grade. My autism has not let up. But what if I actually get a life and don't end up being a famous artist with a hundred devoted yumes at my beck and call? I stayed up late to write about my favorite oc for 5 hours, and I don't regret it. But I want to stop cheating on my husbando, or at least stop feeling guilty about it.
Should I get a better schedule? Strict sport and husbando hours? Due to muh ADHD I can't really focus on one thing and its a long way to Adderall. What has driven me so far is just being gifted insane ideas or motivation at random times and spending hours drawing or writing them. Is there a way to get motivation on command? Is my brain fried from half a decade of TikTok? I genuinely believe I would be committing a sin not getting my work out to the public ASAP!
No. 2405977
>>2405790Caravaggio's death was so fucking satisfying. There's something poetic about a mega violent moid who spent his life being a piece of shit in every possible way and was coddled because he was a widdle baybee who painted such pwetty pictures getting 1)exiled, 2)being pardoned (because of course he was) and getting a passage back to Rome only to get arrested and lose all the stuff he'd brought with him because the ship had fucked off in the meantime, and 3) dying of 'illness' shortly after that.
I don't give a shit if he actually died of dick rot or if he was moidered by one of the many families he'd managed to piss off but either way, KEK. Rest in piss and may all disgusting scrotoids follow his path.
No. 2406081
>>2406004i think it's because those nonnas aren't actually grinding basic fundamentals in a meaningful and helpful way. if they were, then "rendermaxxing" wouldn't be so out of their reach because they would have a firm understanding of one of the most important fundamentals, value.
i think digital art is so accessible these days that a lot of people just pick up the ipad and try to go into studying higher level fundamentals like hardcore anatomy then get frustrated when they can't "render" because they have no understanding of value or light.
for anyone struggling with "rendermaxxing", try doing value studies until you feel confident adding color again.
No. 2406251
>>2406245It's definitely an XY or some seething Becky
triggered into a keysmashing rage at the thought of the prettier, more popular art hoe Stacies in her intro to art history class kek.
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>>2406251>>2406245Basic artwhore nonas when they discover there are actually women in academia who spend their time researching old masters instead of cherry picking the most basic high school curriculum paintings in existence for internet brownie points.
>>2406245I’m not wasting my breath to educate Beckies like this, they’re dime-a-dozen and my time is more precious than that. I just came by to hate. Enjoy your evening, now.
No. 2406305
>>2406289I'm not the ayrt and honestly don't care about who's right about a bunch of artists who've been dead for hundreds of years before my birth, I'm just having a laugh at your tard tantrum and how you're still here after your sassy goodbye in
>>2406276 kek
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>>2405790Samefagging, the reason why Gentileschi's painting is better is not just the context of the painting but the painting itself. In Carvaggio's, the subjects are passive and so is the composition, meanwhile in Gentileschi's everyone is active, Judith and the servant are both participating in beheading Holofrenes who is fighting back, it's a nice triangular composition and Gentileschi's more naturalist style really sells it.
She's not my favourite artist of that period, I prefer Sofonisba Anguissola and Elisabetta Sirani and I like other naturalism artists better, but she's still an objectively fantastic artist.
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>>2405331Nta but who are "the masters"?
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>>2406425NTA but she most likely means artists like Rembrandt, Bosch, Rochegrosse (picrel), Perugino,Jan van Eyck… there's a lot of them so do some research and find the ones you like.
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>>2406416The only time I'm able to sperg about one of my favorite artists is when people are infighting, but I'm so happy there's another gentileschi fan! I feel like caravaggio's ability to render isn't as detailed in comparison to gentileschi's, there's no denying that her ability to render clothing was nothing like other artists at the time. Many pieces that involve gentileschi also depicted women more morally complex compared to other male artists that left women portrayed as either a madonna or a whore. I wish I could I could write in detail the cultural implications, the inner art world's response, and the personal experiences of specific art pieces that she's made but i'd be spamming kek.
I have also written a 50 page analysis of her life, her stylistic inspirations, and her influence on the italian art world so I've grown a very fond attachment to her. No. 2406681
>>2406634I could have sworn we used to but I can't find it. I remember anons redlining art in /m/ way back but that might have just been in the bad art or rate my art threads
>>2406592I'd love to read your gentileschi sperging nona
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>>2406681>>2406634We do, it's here
>>243951 for some reason it's in /ot/
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>>2406416>Elisabetta SiraniGoogling her and I can see why you like her work. She seemed based.
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>send moot a drawing I spent seven hours on
> she like it, don't reblog it
>resist the urge to ask her to reblog it because I don't want it to flop
>vent that I feel like my art is worthless if it doesn't get enough notes, how my memes and text post get more than the drawings I spent up to 15 hours on
>admit that I'm probably delulu about my art, that I don't know if I'll ever be able to be good at what I'm doing
>she tells me not to worry, my art is good, the algorithm is just random, her arts from the same fandom doesn't get much notes either
>tell me she want to send my drawing to a friend since it's a subject they like
>I feel better
>send her a good drawing with few notes to prove her point
>she reblog that one
Yes, I'm aware of how pathetic I am
No. 2407952
>>2407579You seriously can't put this much meaning into likes or reblogs. Do
you even reblog everything all your mutuals post? Of course it's sad when a drawing doesn't do as well as you expect but if you make art you love it won't even matter. I actually used to have the opposite problem, my art would do really well but no one gave a fuck about my memes or text posts. Whenever this one mutual would log on to make some low effort text post it would get hundreds of likes and I'd get so miserable every time kek. It felt like no one cared about me, only about the images I made. I'm glad I got over that once I stopped making fanart. Nowadays I don't even post anymore, getting a few thousand likes or followers makes no difference in my life. If you want to grow your numbers you just have to keep making art that's appealing to you. People recognize soulful pieces and you won't even have to beg or guilttrip anyone into engaging with them.
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>>2407579People who do similar things have been made fun of in past threads, don't want to be mean but I want to convey that people, and anons itt, find that behaviour really annoying. You need to get a grip, why are you stressing out and guilt tripping your friend over
pixels? Do you remember everything you've ever liked and reblogged? Why do you think your art is any different? That's not to say your art is bad but you're using a pretty shitty way to judge your self worth as a lot of people go "pretty", like your post and scroll away and do that to several other posts. Bad artist who use pretty colours get popular all the time, ergo you can't treat popularity as a indicator of artistic skill, it's a indicator of luck and being social media savvy (or a very proficient rage baiter).
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>>240757I can't blame you, when I was younger I used to be the same way and it made it so hard to enjoy the fandoms I was in and my own art. I became so jealous and insecure that I gave up drawing.
Social media really sets us up to act like this, but like other anons say, you can't equate your talent to likes. I've started posting art again last year and this time around I don't follow many blogs or try to make mutual. My blog is more of a dumping ground but I am happy to scroll through and see my own progress and improvement.
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>>2405379I've used that tutorial before! I thought I'd try using a more guided approach to learning fundamentals (the thread links), but I'll use prrb's tutorial as a regular exercise. I'll start dating every piece as well.
>PicrelI don't like very many artists, I usually prefer a few of their pieces while I'm uninterested in the rest.
However, I absolutely adore Kaneoya Sachiko, from her color choice to the way she draws men and the environments she depicts them in. I wouldn't prefer to do so myself, but I like that almost every woman she draws is an anthro animal, usually terrorizing the man in the image kek.
I wouldn't like to commit to extreme realism like Ilya Repin, I think, though his skill is very impressive. I mostly like his colors and his lighting. I love the ornateness in
Sadko, along with the way he portrays depth in the painting with the procession. And I was always drawn to
Ivan because of the evocative expressions (and lighting, of course).
I mostly intend to focus on character work and environments, supplementing my current projects with concept art to help myself visualize what I'm working on. Rendering full illustrations is not something I'm capable of right now, but I would definitely like to do so in the future.
Because of this, and my temporary limited space (and funds) I don't think traditional art is the way to go? I'm still at the first step of "practice drawing on a piece of paper" kek, so I am not sure how or when I would start using an art program.
Sorry for the delay in replying. After I arrived home, things got a little crazy for a couple of days.>>2405492Nona, if you are not intelligent, then I am borderline retarded. I should have known you meant sketchbook, so sorry.
Should I be drawing in a sketchbook the way I'm using the printer paper and clipboard to practice? Or using it some other way? I've seen anons arguing about how to use a sketchbook in past threads kek, so I at least know it's not meant for showing off finished pieces on youtube.
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>>2406681>I'd love to read your gentileschi sperging nonaThank you so much! There's so much I can say about her, the main focus of my paper was primarily analyzing the work in comparison with other artists at the time and how her experiences gave her the ability to depict scenes in a way that was not only unique but influential to her peers. I feel like Gentileschi uses the female form without the cultural restrictions of a woman's body being something inherently sexual, so there's no incentive to depict honorable women with more or less clothes.
>Lucretia: A noble woman in rome who was famous for killing herself after being brutally raped, exposing and fueling sentiments that helped transform rome from a kingdom to a republic.My first example is Lucretia: how Gentileschi depicted the clear distraught brought from sexual violence showing female nudity in a way that expresses discomfort from the sheer disgust from lucretia herself. In comparison to many male artists and their madonna whore complex that either depicts Lucretia as a voyeuristic rape fantasy where she is somehow dressed up and beautiful, almost like she was ready for her assault, or a woman who is covered in clothes, as the artist was not willing to infer through the painting that she is mutilating herself after being "tarnished". (A famous example of this being Rembrandt)
This theme of uniquely portraying the female body that does not deny the woman her dignity can be depicted positively though. A woman being aware of her sexuality can be found with one of her less famous paintings of Venus and Cupid. At the time, many depicted Venus as either a loving mother, an arrogant goddess obsessed with her looks, or a sex-filled nymph who stares back at the viewer, excited for their response. Gentileschi completely breaks these archetypes by drawing venus as a goddes who lays glamorous and self assured. She isn't staring at the viewer, she isn't looking at herself in the mirror, she isn't even depicted as vein or arrogant, she seems confident and at ease. Being aware of the culture and time period the painting seems almost revolutionary to me. It's such an early example of depicting a sexual woman with dignity without needing to cover anything up.
I was going to talk about "Susanna and the elders", and "Jael and Sisera", but I think I've sperged enough.
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>>2409057ntyart, but I'd love to read your sperging about those pieces!
In other news, I think I'm finally ready to get back on the horse and make art again. I did a lot of commissions last year and all the degenerate subject matter made me burnt out on art in general (I hate that's the only way to make consistent big bucks). Just gonna keep my commissions closed and do personal art for a while. Kinda torn on cutting this one guy out once I do open my commissions again. I easily made the most money from him by a long shot, but I also hated drawing for him the most purely because of the subject matter, he was otherwise very patient and easy to deal with as a client. I also never post any of his work since I don't want to attract more clients who like what he likes. I don't have a lot of time to draw in general, so this creates gaps in my uploads which I also don't like very much.
Would it be stupid to lie to him about having a lot of clients? As in, I come to him once every two months or so to say that he's finally up in the queue? I don't have a public queue and taking a comm from him at this frequency I think would make for a better balance of making $$$ without burning out again. The trouble with this option I think is that I know some of my other clients know this guy. I don't get the sense that they are friends or anything, I but I assume they're in some shared discord server since the guy recently messaged me saying "so-and-so said your tablet broke a while ago, is that still the case?". I just wanna do commissions for him less often, but I know being honest about hating drawing for him would scare him off entirely. Ugh
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How do you guys feel about marc brunet’s art school? How do you feel about online art courses in general? I’m looking for one to follow, but I would like some input on other’s experiences following them and/or how you think of them as a whole.
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Tbh I've accumulated some substantial skill over the years I've been drawing (mainly gesture, anatomy and markmaking) but I can't for the life of me make an appealing artwork like ever. Once the sketch/lineart phase is over everything goes to shit, immediately. I render and color like shit, my compositions suck, mood & atmosphere is basically non-existent.
Everything I make looks like a dry illustration in a textbook even though I have a cartoony style and attempt dynamic poses. It's especially disheartening because my whole goal in drawing is to make the beautiful, vivid images I see in my head real. I don't know what to do at this point because studying my weak points more doesn't help and makes me even more frustrated.
No. 2409948
>>2409538She is right, even if I don't agree with her take of AI art, I definitely believe in a world where AI artist and actual artist can co-exists.
be the change you want to see in the world
No. 2410103
>>2409919If everything goes to shit past the sketch and lineart stage, try changing how you color. If you do digital art definitely swap that for traditional, I recommend getting some student grade watercolors and some white and dark gouaches (I like to use black, payne's grey and titanium white) and playing around with them. If money's an issue get some dot cards and a Kuretake watercolor set- it's more like gouache that watercolor but it's very versatile.
It's a completely different experience from working digitally. It's harder to make the piece look muddy and overdone, and if you use good paper you can build up layers of color that look vibrant and beautiful without it turning into a sad pile of shit. Follow a few tutorials with different painting styles to get started and go from there.
No. 2410140
Art used to be so social to me. I got a large amount of engagement on Deviantart, made friends, got concrit, got something to look forward everyday.
Ever since that site got progressively worse and lost its population I've not been able to recreate this in any single of the various many social media I've tried.
I think I've objectively improved a lot, and my friends tell me so but of course their opinion is biased, however now I fail to get over 1 digit of engagement anywhere despite drawing only fanart, using tags and interacting with others.
I've got the feeling for years that social media that are oriented to resharing (reblogs, retweets, etc.) and that aren't only artist-exclusive (which successful artists like, obviously, because it gives them wider reach and everyone else follows suit), it's hard for anyone whose art isn't at the level of those ex-URSS countries + China art schools. Because normies don't want to put in their pages something amateurish unless it's a meme. Because of this I started trying to improve even more, with serious resources like books, pirated tutorials, pose packs, varying styles and subjects.
But I came to a point where I started to question myself why I do this: I don't sell art, and nothing of what I post gets the kind of engagement I want. It might be a sunk cost fallacy because I've just been drawing for so many years and I'm scared to give up, but at the same time I know it's a daily waste of time that doesn't even make me happy or helps me be less lonely, like it used to.
Are there any reasons why I shouldn't quit? What other hobbies could I use to replace art that will help me connect to people with similar interests online? Without art my accs stand out even less and my writing does poorly too. I can't believe I mourn fucking Deviantart to the point of tears.
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I don't know if anyone here is a gallery artist but can anyone relate?
>pay anywhere from $50 to $150 to apply for residencies and judged art shows
>get rejected from all of them except one
I know rejection is the most likely outcome for these things but I hate feeling exploited since my application fees are being used for the stipends and the prize money for the winners. I know I need to try to get used to rejection but it's hard, man. Makes me not want to continue. Shit is so fucking gay.
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Does anyone know what brush this is for the line art?
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I LOST MY WAICOM PEN FUCK MY RETARD BAKA LIFE FUCKKKKKK.. I dont even fucking know how to set it up and its $74 on amazon. Fuck
No. 2410674
>>2410660Yes kek. I think back a lot on Baylee jae, I never had a vendetta against her or anything but god looking at her art at her “peak” when she was in the youtube artists collective or whatever it was called, the pieces she made were so fucking shit, but definitely drove me hard to improve. Looking back at her copic shit, the way she fucking abused those markers makes me cringe, like watching a kid just absolutely pouring ink on the paper. There are others who also had that semi-disney, formless, doughy art, but not many come to mind, but that style seemed inescapable at the time. But hey, at least they served as a inspiration to not let myself stagnate.
No. 2410733
>>2410559You can draw from scratch, you just need to identify what part of your drawing looks retarded and do studies to fix that. There's no law saying you need to do sketches and outlines first.
>>2410674>semi-disney, formless, doughy artGrim days. It's shifted from knockoff SU to knockoff Hazbin and I'm not sure which one's worse.
No. 2410793
>>2409538whole video is a bunch of nothing, glad the comments are rightfully tearing her apart. also the cookie run music in the background is pissing me off.
I really need these mediocre zoomer artists to stop having opinions in regards to the art "community", especially when it's clear they get their opinions from twitter, tiktok, and youtube
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There's something about this phenomenon that both fascinates and confuses me. 'Representation' making people so happy, with underwhelming and mediocre art - it genuinely baffles me. Are people just really insecure or something? I don't get their reactions. I mean, good for them and the artist. Maybe I am being too judgemental but I am not impressed. I guess I expect more depth when I'm looking at artists' whose brands include being diverse. ) Especially when it comes to cultural representation, and all they do is slap on some flags onto a character and call it a day. Does any nona feel similar ways too? Do you ever think of taking advantage of this for clout (out of curiosity)?
I think that whole 'representation request' shit needs to die though. It's irritating to read and from experience, even more so to get. I would rather these people pick up a pencil and be like a very bad version of that one fat oil painter girl in art school whose favorite art subject seems to be herself. What better form of representation of your group than what you made from your own experiences?
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>>2410795>that one fat oil painter girl in art school whose favorite art subject seems to be herself. which one? both are obnoxious, to the point where i rarely do self portraits anymore because i don't want to appear as narcissistic as these cows.
No. 2410828
>>2410824ayrt,
there are two of them??? Wow okay I see why you don't do self portraits as much. I was referring to the one on the right.
No. 2410855
>>2410824Is this the girl on the right?
There's nothing wrong with doing self portraits, especially for a woman. You sound like a pick-me. Would it be more acceptable for her to do self portraits if she were conventionally attractive?
No. 2410878
>>2410870>>2410855if self portraits are all you do, i think it is narcissistic and shows limited artistic capability. do you have no one in your life you want to capture? is the only interesting thing to you compositionally your own face and body? there's so much beauty in the world outside of the self.
>>2410857projection. i sell plenty of work irl & don't attention whore online about it.
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>>2410878What are your thoughts on this narcissistic uggo? I heard she's a pickme too and her scrote cheated on her.
No. 2410891
>>2410885So would only drawing grapes make you a grape fetishist and people calling you such would be accurate? That's the basis of your argument anon.
Anyone who creates art around a limited subject = obsessed narcissist. Also I didn't call you a pickme so idk. I'm more taken aback on what everyone deems "narcissism" today. Self-portraits have been around forever.
No. 2410923
>>2410795The girl on the right has nothing to do with this. I think you're exaggerating when it comes to self portraits specifically. Humans have done it for thousands of years and I'm glad a talented girl her age is successful from it.
>and all they do is slap on some flags onto a character and call it a day.They don't care about all that. By the amount of shit pitches that get posted in this thread with multiple racial stereotypes but woke and shit writing, they're not concerned about quality. What the average representation autist wants is a mirror they can plant themselves in front of and jerk off all day. Everyone else who wants representation deeper than a wikipedia page skim gets ignored
constantly. Who I actually feel bad for are the people like me who want cool characters and power fantasies, and that's it. There are better options than being part of a cali kid's life journey of proving just how much they love minorities.
No. 2410999
>>2408771AYRT
You're so polite omgLemme preface this by saying I know fuckall about traditional media outside of crayons and markers (not even quality ones).
I believe that using a sketchbook is one of those things you can't necessarily fuck up? I'd use it to draw daily. I think another nona had the actual termonology for it but I can't recall, but practicing control over your hand is good with drawing lines repeatedly. You want to use the sketchbook as the cheapest method to establish your basics and also to tackle the fundamentals - line control, hatching, observing reality, breaking things into basic shape, shading, coloring… that kind of stuff. Your first sketchbook will look like absolute ass, and that's why dating your works is important! You gotta keep track of progress to keep motivation moving forward during times of doubt! That's what I tell myself anyway (it gets complicated further in, when progression becomes murkey). During this phase, I'd say, use the cheapest tools imaginable. Once you can draw what you want without the communication between mental visualization and hand-eye coordination being a wall, then you can experiment with traditional media and chew through your wallet.
Looking at the inspirations you posted, I'd day the initial one has a focus on anatomical familiarity, color theory (god help you, that shit is beyond my comprehension), and perspective. Line control there is optional, but could help. The other inspirations look like they're requiring a similar skillset applied differently. Art programs overall are a one-time investment versus traditional media. I could be doing it wrong, but once you net a cheapass tablet (give or take 60 USD), a free art program (Krita for instance) and a laptop that can handle your preferred canvas resolution, you're good until something breaks. Programs like Photoshop and Clip Studio Paint have brushes that can mimic traditional media to an extent, but it's a kind of wild west on the brush settings that look best.
Praying other nonas will pitch in since I probably explained something poorly. Hoard as many tutorials as you can!!!
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>>2409961I've read through R. Yot's Light for Visual Artists, tried the constantly shilled Color & Light by J. Gurney, watched Marco Bucci's 5 minutes to better painting series on YT, and done like 30 consecutive color studies from photography last Fall. I think I've learned to match colors without eye dropper pretty well but that's about it. My values are still shit so I can't even make a B&W drawing work. I think what makes understanding coloring & rendering hard for me is I simply do not enjoy doing it, but that might come from the fact that I'm basically still a beginner at it…
>>2409962>>2410103>>2410683I've neglected doing any master studies of artists I admire tbh, that's been a mistake on my part. Should've focused on that instead of copying photos. I'll do that and try traditional more, thank you.
You are all right, and this realization is what inspired my doompost. If you're a beginner and want to learn art don't do what I did, don't put all eggs in one basket and if you absolutely have to don't let the basket be anatomy. Git good at lighting and composition first, after all that is what makes the artwork whole in the end.
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>>2410886I was going to echo your sentiments too and add. For me it doesn’t matter if the subject is attractive or not. I wouldn’t personally want to buy a painting of the artist unless I knew them. It’s like asking if someone wants to have your selfies. No one wants to see them unless you’re friends.
If one uses their body and face as a placeholder reference I don’t care because the focus isn’t on them and they can usually paint a different face than their own. Artists who focus a lot on themselves in their art tend to be a bit selfish, this can also apply to OCs or fursonas.
>>2410795This representation seems like omg so special. I have medical issues that are never represented. I don’t care.
The scary thing about the top comment (if true) is this girl cut herself at 8 years old.
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shadman forever ruined dot pupils for me
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>>2408771As someone who lives in small spaces and travels a lot, water-friendly mediums that can be dried and re-wetted are the best for a small space for someone wanting to study color theory.
The color stick mediums (markers, crayons, colored pencils) come in second, but only go so far in studying color mixing and techniques.
Also, watercolor and gouache–especially gouache, can translate into digital painting techniques. If you go for watercolor: it's okay to get cheap paint, but go for the best paper you can afford. It makes a difference.
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>>2410855>There's nothing wrong with doing self portraits, especially for a woman. You sound like a pick-me. NTA but what do you mean especially for a woman..? Don't you think it's odd that women are much more likely to mostly depict themselves? It feels like a consequence of the constant self-scrutiny, auto-voyeurism and navel gazing that women are socialized into. Not that it's
wrong or narcissistic, every accomplished painter will have a couple self-portraits but female artists who mainly do that leave a weird taste in my mouth.
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>>2411916NTA and I do agree with your points, but I feel like anons are forgetting that in a lot of art students in highschool and higher education in the Anglosphere are encouraged to make art about themselves and the easiest way to do that is a self portrait. The artist in
>>2410855 is only a first year iirc (American school calendars confuse me) and paints other things for her other assignments but she's probably just choosing an easier route to complete schoolwork. In this case it's not that deep and not really a reflection on her and from what I've seen the artist doesn't treat any deeper than "this is my identity" so whatever. Judge her and her practice when she's out of school.
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>>2411943Dunno about others, but my art curriculum in college definitely made me do a self-portrait. And that was against my preference. Maybe some people just enjoy that extra self study?
This is mostly me musing and not contributing to the conversation, but.. I persoanlly don't look in the mirror much. Doing the self portrait made me realize things about myself I wasn't aware of. It's fascinating, capturing what you see that might differ from what others see. I found out I was slightly crosseyed kek