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Discuss the shitty art and even shittier attitude of artists
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
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Recent Art Milk:
Just the same old salt
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.
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>>1361298 No. 1414671
>>1414391 First off: You're based as hell.
With that out of the way:
>I draw femdom as well as a good amount of 'traditional' sexual interactions (female pleasuring male), which I generally believe is where the main turn off for women lies.It's mostly how your women look. Most women like het art where the woman is very plain, "nonthreatning," and easier to project upon, if not outright POV/faceless woman, etc. I, personally like seeing beautiful couples (Especially het) and all kinds of good pinup art like yours. We need more artist like you.
No. 1414675
>>14142671414486
>It must be a western mindset, there is only one winner. There is no art "community" because the majority of artists are insecure immature babies who aren't capable of being happy for anyone but themselvesEasterners have better drawing culture. It's treated as a viable hobby and tradeskill, and doesn't exist on our "not a real job"/"a divine talent" polarity. I think the only drama that exists resemble more inter-hobby drama you'd get out of a community, especially those tied to fandom. It used to be like that on the Western side before social media took off.
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>>1414279>but Asian fan communities do seem to be better and friendlier I don't know about that, it's because of the language barrier that we don't really see "drama". Some asian accounts straight up delete their entire existence because of drama and harassment, Pyohato comes to mind. He was harassed off the internet and deleted his entire gallery because people thought he ripped off Mogeko/Funamusea style even though they're both generic westaboo anime art as in angular and simplified. There was also threesibo (korean) who was harassed on their youtube for months account until they finally gave up and stopped posting. They didn't delete anything but you get the idea.
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>>1414660>Easterners have better drawing culture. It's treated as a viable hobby and tradeskill, and doesn't exist on our "not a real job"/"a divine talent" polarity. Lots of mangakas I like has talked about how their parents tried to stop them from becoming mangakas. I still think there is a stigma from becoming a full time artist even in Asian countries
>>1414686Asian artists are notorious for deleting their socials whenever they get involved in drama. Whenever it is they get accused for tracing like picrel or ththey recive any form for criticism
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No. 1414772
>>1414703Oh god that shit was so retarded, I wonder why no artists back then defended her.
>>1414741She was literally just using references or in some cases copy-pasted small background parts from stock images and the japanese 2008 version of cancellers "outed" her for that.
http://yunomipdatabase.blog135.fc2.com/blog-entry-16.html No. 1414781
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>>1414772wow this is some turbo autism
No. 1415245
>>1414770I used to talk with a main code guy for NG few years ago, and despite agreeing with me the site needs an option to simplify posting ala twitter where you just post the image with text, you still have to compile a page of options for just one image
It's dated and it decided to stay dated
No. 1415507
>>1414770I hate NG for the same reason as reddit, I literally do not understand how it works and it seems to be a pain to navigate through.
Also even when I search for characters I like and go through the horror of finding out which of the results are art related there are maybe three badly drawn pics. Why should anybody move to that shithole?
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I know I'm preaching to some of the choir here, but I'm sick of shit like this (found this on LinkedIn). Like cool, now game studios will have even less incentive to pay in-house artists. 3D artists and asset designers have always been paid like ass and always the first to be laid off in the first place, and now these tech scrote studio heads will go "WELL LOOK we whipped these up in 30 minutes, artists are redundant, let's cut costs."
Second note, regarding picrel, some of the bottles are pretty, but does anyone else feel like AI art is always just…TOO overdesigned? There's something about it I don't like, like there's just too many uneccessary lines/details weaving all over everything. Does anyone else know what I mean?
No. 1415944
>>1415936> Second note, regarding picrel, some of the bottles are pretty, but does anyone else feel like AI art is always just…TOO overdesigned? There's something about it I don't like, like there's just too many uneccessary lines/details weaving all over everything. Does anyone else know what I mean?Yes; that's why it's so easy to pinpoint. The AI has no sense of intention, and the techbros preaching it have no idea about what actually makes things appealing, let alone can barely use the lasso tool.
It'll revolutionize gaming, alright; the market will be even more flooded with asset flipping games that all look the same with no distinct style or sense of consistent worldbuilding. AI shit is about to be the next programmer art.
No. 1416087
>>1415944>l no distinct style or sense of consistent worldbuilding.Lead designer will probably have to put more work into making sure the style is consistent or the algorithm with need to be fed specific styles for whatever they’re working on-
I’m interested to see how other programs will advance, be able to detect certain prompts, or what artworks were used as reference in AI work and the lawsuits which will follow because I don’t think any artist would actually want their work fed unless paid
No. 1416118
>>1415959It's exactly what
>>1416072 said. Usually, it's assumed the programmer can't draw, but also can't always find the right assets to fit their vision so they bite the bullet and try to make something. It usually only exists as a placeholder since better art can be swapped out later with very little adjustments especially if the programmer is an artist, and just needs something there until they can nail the feeling of the game.
Only difference between programmer art and the AI is that the former actually has a charm to it, especially if there's some untapped talent.
This is reminding me how the game industry created a huge wedge between programmers and artists, who were often the same people and were the ones who shaped much of the more iconic parts of gaming and overall UI development. There's always been this weird thing against artists in the industry despite titles relying on them so heavily since text-only games are incredibly niche.
>>1416089I actually think this is what's going to lead to the burnout against AI. People like art for the design, but love it for the human behind it.
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I am doing my loomis heads and having fun, but i still cant understand color. Any good resources about color theory and how to make color palettes?
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This was on the twitter hate thread but I think it’s relevant here. I don’t care if you draw sexy women but don’t go claiming it’s empowering.
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>>1416730I saw this on Twitter yesterday. It doesn't really read like she was calling her art empowering, Jasmin seems to just hate the fact that she was being labelled a "bad feminist" for drawing pinup and I agree with her.
No. 1416756
>>1416755Obv responding to
>>1416751, sorry
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>>1416755I was never comparing her to scrotes. Who cares anyway she’s a troon caper.
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somewhat on the topic of
>>1416741 but her art and is so boring. I am so tired of generic pretty girl standing, whenever i see her art i just think ''eh, looks nice'' and then forget about it. How can people draw the same thing over and over and not get bored? You can still draw cute/pretty girls and make it interesting, like pic rel. It's like they dont even try.
No. 1416789
>>1416761If she truly cares so much about women like any other feminist then she's yet to be peaked
it's not uncommon that women simply havent been exposed to troon degeneracy, just a reminder
No. 1417071
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>>1416741kek what a way of getting all worked up because of a meme caption
Why didn't she just clarify instead of arguing about how "ermmm i know hunny i know". You can't give out snarky responses and act like a
victim of le evil femnism
Why are anons even taking sides? they're both retarded
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Is referencing off of others considered art theft? I've seen some people argue that it's only art theft if it's traced.
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>>1416741Nah.. This idiot is upset that the women aren't ugly for the most part or aren't wearing accurate armor which are really dumb arguments and which was their first argument. It's a drawing.
No. 1417568
>>1417235This is so stupid; no one should be obligated to draw anything they don't want to draw just to be a "good feminist" or whatever the fuck else.
This is like people who get angry at you for not drawing enough
POC or fat people etc. There's no faster way to hate drawing that to feel like you have to draw for an audience or to virtue signal.
As usual there are men drawing disgusting child porn all over that people could worry about, but who gets blamed and attacked instead? A woman. It's always a fucking woman for not meeting
some standard, every single time. So tired of it.
>>1416813As if there aren't plenty of Asian artists drawing the same thing over and over again. I swear some of you really fetishize these people when at the end of the day they are not some superior breed of human; many of them also pump out self-indulgent, one-note garbage just like Westerners do.
No. 1417801
>>1416813Give me one reason why people should stop drawing what they find fun
Not everyone sees art as a job or something you have to be amazing at
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>>1417568>>1417801>>1417827why so mad, did i touch a nerve? i think its really pathetic if you dont step out of your comfort zone because you are scared of trying something new and ''difficult''. You can draw generic disney girls standing in a white background forever if you want but most people are going to forget about it, it's literally just twitter feed clutter. I am not even saying have to draw like yoh yoshinari, but at least try something different, even pic rel which is just a generic girl standing is made a million times more interesting with a background. Taking my ''infighting'' ban now.
No. 1417881
>>1417867NTA but not everyone draws to impress others, build a following or something similar, sometimes you just want to grab a pen and scribble something, art is on human's nature.
Why did you took it so personally, there are lots of artists out there go find the thousands that don't make generic animu art kek But if writting paragraphs make you feel better…
No. 1417885
>>1416072>>1416118I didn't know it was called like that I always did it with my RPGmaker game because background art takes time so it was the last thing I did and I just used shittily drawn placeholders for it to see if the game and shading works.
>>1416779I draw samey stuff on paper or beermats to chill or for fun but only upload the special stuff on twitter where I challenge myself to make it look impressive somehow.
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>>1417881you are the one who made it personal. I was talking about jasmin's art which is just generic girls standing in the void and then responding to anon who said that the picture looked''hard'' and thats why she didnt want to try. I just think its such a waste to draw such a cute character and it meaning nothing, with a background or a better pose she could be a cute fairy with a personality who tells a story or something, like this she just looks like a cosplayer. Its boring.
No. 1417907
>>1417867There are background specialty artists for a reason, character designers, storyboarders.. Is the idea of someone preferring to draw one thing over another that much of a
nerve to you? NTA, but you just sounds like some idiot who just got in to art school.
No. 1417927
>>1417918Honestly aren't most of the boring accounts you talk about either coomer shit or flavor-of-the-month accounts that only draw moe and what's popular now to get followers?
It's the hobby artists that do not draw for money that do the great complex stuff, because they love art and want to create pretty art of the series they are fan of.
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>>1417918Seethe more, if allah wants someone to draw this then let them
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>>1417927>Honestly aren't most of the boring accounts you talk about either coomer shit or flavor-of-the-month accounts that only draw moe and what's popular now to get followers?thats why i said its feed clutter, jasmine darnell posts like 5 times a day so i guess she's more into quantity=quality.
>It's the hobby artists that do not draw for money that do the great complex stuff, because they love art and want to create pretty art of the series they are fan of.yeah, most artists i like only post like once a month
No. 1418001
>>1417945And?
No seriously, AND?
Yeah sure drawing the same thing over and over and never getting out of your comfort zone is uninspired and repetitive.
So what? It's not for you. You have main character syndrome. Move along.
No. 1418199
>>1417867diff anon here but i also think drawing girls standing in a blank background is lazy but i follow a lot of artists who do it so eh what do i know. if the anatomy and rendering is good i'll appreciate the artistry of that. btw who is the artist of that piece, i love the colors.
i think the issue lies in never trying to do something new. i think by doing so you improve faster or at least that's what i've observed in myself and watching others.
what anon says here
>>1417881 is also true. i think if you genuinely love doing art you're not worrying about impressing people or want to build a following from it. that also should be considered because a piece's value shouldn't be judge by how many likes it has received. some people wanna draw simplistic stuff and that's okay. obviously if it's a shitty drawing drawn on a white background than it's bad but i think jasmin's art has some merit and artistry to it despite there not being a background
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>>1418199>btw who is the artist of that piece, i love the colors.foo midori.
I just think its a waste really, she can do whatever she wants with her art obviously, but i think her characters are wasted standing on an empty background. I like my art to at least try to evoque something in people, but considering her fanbase(moids and troons) they dont care at all and just want to coom.
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>>1416755>She doesn't read as pickme libfemShe is
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>>1418166nah the issue was with you putting asian people on a pedestal and then posting generic mid-tier moe anime art as proof while judging people for making art for fun as if you're some elevated connoisseur with high-class tastes.
if you posted anime art like 寿 なし子 or tabi whose work has actual meaning and uses interesting palettes or lighting, that would be one thing, but you're trying to construct some kind of ivory tower for yourself when your tastes are every bit as uninspired and generic as what you're criticizing.
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>>1418283does tabi's work look "dark" and "deep"? way to miss the point, but by all means please continue to consume generic-moe-girl-on-overly-rendered-background#3094804958 and think you're some kind of genius.
yeah, jasmin's art is pretty one note, which who fucking cares, but the fact that you think art is automatically "improved" just because it has a shiny, colorful background of is really telling on yourself and just how amateur your knowledge and tastes are.
guess what, the more you understand composition and color, the more you are able to appreciate all kinds of art for whatever its purpose. keep working honey, you'll get there someday.
No. 1418362
>>1418313I could've sworn that there was a critique thread at some point in the catalog, maybe on one of the other boards though. Dunno how much I'd want to participate given the current quality of discussion in this thread though.
And it's pretty easy to stay anon if you don't post your shit to social media.
No. 1418384
>>1418306do you think every anon who has called you a moron thus far has been the same person?
keep leaning on jasmin as a crutch when the real problem is you don't have the artistic fundamentals to understand or appreciate white space, values, or a competent sketch. replace jasmin's work with any skilled artist making black-and-white pieces and you'll still whine and bitch because you've made it clear you look at art like a baby looks at a shiny mobile.
this is the art salt thread so thanks for giving me fodder; the general public's taste is bottom-of-the-barrel like yours and that's fine, but i can't understand why these shiny, glistening, overly-rendered moe faces with poor values are so popular. it's like the illustration version of overprocessed nature photography. yeah sure it looks nice on the surface but there's a reason it's one of the easiest things for AI to generate well.
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>>1418384>white space, values, or a competent sketch. replace jasmin's work with any skilled artist making black-and-white pieces and you'll still whine and bitch because you've made it clear you look at art like a baby looks at a shiny mobile.I never said that, i was specifically talking about pretty girls standing in white spaces
>>1417867> I am not even saying have to draw like yoh yoshinari, but at least try something different, even pic rel which is just a generic girl standing is made a million times more interesting with a background.Then nonas took it personally and started reeing about muh drawing for myself and other nonsense that i never said you couldnt do. All of the examples were of pretty girls but made more insteresting by giving them backgrounds and different poses/perspective, unlike Jasmine who just draws the same shit over and over endlessly. Seriously, this thread is so retarded sometimes, you will go to great lenghts to justify mediocrity because, in this threads words
>>1416793''its just easy, drawing backgrounds is hard'' which is lame and pathetic, if you cant even draw a fucking background because you are scared then how can you be capable of creating something something competent or that evokes something, pure cope by lazy artists that just want to stay in their comfort zones forever.
No. 1418409
>>1418407i forgot to add
>>1416779>I am so tired of generic pretty girl standing, whenever i see her art i just think ''eh, looks nice'' and then forget about it>You can still draw cute/pretty girls and make it interesting, like pic relwhich shows my original complain was about artists that just draw pretty girls like loish/jasmine, etc.
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>>1418407good job rewriting history i guess considering the fact that when people gave their opinions disagreeing with yours you just doubled down and insulted people as if everyone criticizing your dumb comments means they all draw like jasmin.
you fetishized asian artists, whined numerous times now about a lack of backgrounds and about people drawing for their own satisfaction, and then posted completely generic, uninspired animu art three times in a row thinking it proved your point.
yeah, her work is also uninspiring, but you can't let it go because a competent sketch of a pretty girl on a blank background can never compare to the grand artistry of a moe girl on a
sparkly background in your mind. apparently it's fine for you to ignore people's points and throw out petty insults but it's transparently clear you're the one lacking here in artistic vision dear, not the other anons who called you out.
here's some sketches on white bg you can look at for a little bit and maybe eventually you'll figure out why not every art piece needs to look like lisa frank and why white space isn't "always just meh." gl
No. 1418483
>>1418440>good job rewriting history i guess considering the fact that when people gave their opinions disagreeing with yours you just doubled down and insulted people as if everyone criticizing your dumb comments means they all draw like jasmin.never insulted anyone, otherwise i would be banned for infighting
>you fetishized asian artists, whined numerous times now about a lack of backgrounds and about people drawing for their own satisfaction, and then posted completely generic, uninspired animu art three times in a row thinking it proved your point.yeah because asian artists can actually draw interesting pretty girls that arent just standing in a background and are interacting with an environment, which was my point and why i posted images of pretty girls which i found interesting. Again, making it all about yourself when it isnt and ignoring my original point.
>yeah, her work is also uninspiring, but you can't let it go because a competent sketch of a pretty girl on a blank background can never compare to the grand artistry of a moe girl on a sparkly background in your mind. apparently it's fine for you to ignore people's points and throw out petty insults but it's transparently clear you're the one lacking here in artistic vision dear, not the other anons who called you out.her art is clearly not sketches, you called me an idiot but you cant even understand the difference between a sketch and a finished piece. Just because they arent painted doesnt make them a sketch, thats clearly just her style.
>here's some sketches on white bg you can look at for a little bit and maybe eventually you'll figure out why not every art piece needs to look like lisa frank and why white space isn't "always just meh." glagain, it was never about art as whole, just about pretty girl artists and artists that never get out of their comfort zone. The fact that you cant see the difference between obvious STUDY sketches and actual finished art is astounding. I have a lot of b/w sketches and other type of art, but i havent posted them because IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ORIGINAL POINT. jesus christ you are so dense, and also please integrate that ''ummm sweaty akshually'' tone is really cringy outside of reddit, you arent going to get upvotes for your ''gotchas'' here.
No. 1418576
>>1418539libfems don't understand that men hold societal power over women, and men are the reason for female inequality. the existence of sex work, for example, exists only because men have the power to turn women into sexual objects. libfems don't question male power, where it comes from, and how men affect how women see themselves (thus affecting our choices)
lib feminism is fluffy do whatever makes you feel good UwU, it doesn't work towards any type of real change
No. 1418786
kek at least the nona who sounds like has
evoqued in me some second-hand embarrassment
>>1418409>which shows my original complain was about artists that just draw pretty girls like loish/jasmine, etc.yeah, I'll probably be forever salty about how Loish went a bit backwards. Years ago it always felt like she had something new to show, an interesting composition/scene/color scheme or something. Now it's all just sameface girl with a certain color palette.
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fucks me up when some rando painterly lolibait artist gets up to 1k likes. Bonus points that the finger proportion is so odd.
>>1418451>>187240 ?
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How stupid to complain about lack of background on a character art.
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>>1419040The point is that it is totally fine if a character art lacks background, it is the character itself that should provide information on the "context".
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>>1419052Akiya Kageichi, one of my favourite artists and biggest inspiration at the time.
"Pretty girls standing" can be fun and inspiring.
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>>1419061I know, I just wanted to spam more art
Nonnie kek
No. 1419168
>>1418903shoujo and josei.
there's plenty of anime and manga targeted at women and girls that have realistic depictions because the art is drawn by women. "a sign of affection" is a popular one right now and both the female lead and her best friend have normal proportions.
No. 1419251
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Not trying to infight, just want to ask if any anon here also hates drawing backgrounds and how you got over that if at all?
I love drawing people and characters I like because it feels fun bringing them to "life". When I attempt to draw backgrounds I don't feel like I'm bringing a bookcase or whatever I'm drawing for the background to "life" because it's an inanimate object and that removes the fun for me.
I love works like picrel but when I try to imagine myself drawing something similar I feel like I'd be very bored and wouldn't even know where to start tbh. Maybe it's because I'm still a beginner.
No. 1419274
>>1418297>>1417945>>1418217 [especially this one where the girl doesn't even match the background at all and the artist couldn't be bothered to blend the two to make it seem like it's not just lazy and using water brushes that don't match the lining of the girl]
Why do you care so much if other people don't give a damn about full photos? I honestly don't like any of the ones you posted. It's not my taste. You're arguing over taste for no reason. You aren't changing anyone's mind who doesn't care if there are backgrounds or not. Just move on and follow your slow updaters.
No. 1419297
>>1419251Try not to go crazy when you're just starting to do it. Backgrounds like those are similar to the busy designs of characters like
>>1419016 They can look really good when properly thought out or utterly terrible and clustered when thrown together without much thought.
Slow down and think about the bigger picture first, populate it with smaller, more detailed objects after you have the larger structures in place. Basically draw the larger objects in the background first and then work your way down to the smaller ones until your satisfied with the image.
>When I attempt to draw backgrounds I don't feel like I'm bringing a bookcase or whatever I'm drawing for the background to "life" because it's an inanimate object and that removes the fun for me.Think about how the inanimate object compliments the character in the image. What usefulness does it serve to the character or what purpose does it serves in that character's world?
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No. 1419300
>>1419251This video unlocked my mind about backgrounds, I hope it helps you!
Especially the bit about thinking of background as characters.
No. 1419311
>>1419296This was sort of my question too anon and I got
>>1419168 and
>>1419222 for pretty good answers. Looks like there’s art like that out there.
>>1419300Nice
No. 1419369
>>1417892Culture of art especially these days is to consume but not consider.
People see something very good and can't grasp that someone made it because they can't make it. Something "that good" doesn't exist as a persons creation it just exists.
"Sorry I didn't know someone made it" I've seen before. So many pictures float around sourcelessly to add to someone's aesthetic or online collection that the disconnect gulf is almost insurmountable.
No. 1419386
>>1419296If you look up the words ”女性向け” (josei muke) you will get results 'for women'. Yeah it sucks to have to type in this to get shit that's not creep filled, but this'll work.
There's also ”腐向け” for fujos, that'll give you BL results if you want it.
No. 1419388
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Is this real watercolor or digital made? The artist posted he works with watercolor before but also does digital, maybe its both? i have never seen watercolor look this good and detailed, i love it.
No. 1419391
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>>1419389>this piece is fairly simple when it comes to level of detail reallyis working with watercolor that easy? that beach looks absolutely stunning to me. I found this from his twitter so it is real watercolor!. Speaking of which, does anyone have good watercolor tutorials? now i wanna give it a try.
No. 1419463
File: 1669256036484.jpeg (535.5 KB, 1170x1935, 4068153C-D406-41AC-B8CE-1FB060…)
Hate to see an otherwise cute piece ruined by a few details should i edit out the troon shit and repost it
No. 1419591
>>1419573Likely Yoichi Nishikawa since he's been doing workshops teaching this technique. The main benefit to using nicker poster paint + the specific paper here is cost (both are cheap in Japan) and speed/smoothness of gradation once the paper is soaked with water. The paper is thick enough handle staying wet while repeatedly worked into for lifting the clouds and getting that effect. A lot of the gradation also comes from that wide brush that's worked over the paint while clean and dry.
If you're talking about the painting set that's sold at the Ghibli museum that's holbein watercolor, not nicker.
No. 1419682
>>1419319the infighting has been silly and baity imo.
Meaning can just be the message and it can just be the way it communicates the design, to be used by a 3d artist or whoever is next in the pipeline.
>>1419463That single letter makes me go apeshit so much. I see a very tasteful artwork of a vulva, then I see "tdick".
No. 1420269
>>1417892>>1419369This fits with my theory that mediocre/amateur artists have a much easier time making money off their art, and receiving praise from people. Think of artists like Baylee Jae and Lavendertowne.
When an artist is at a Professional level, a disconnect happens between the viewer. Artists at a certain level become unrelatable, and thus viewers can only look in. It's like how people watching a football game will yell at players if they mess up, as if they could ever play football on a pro level. Same with musicians. The artist becomes a performer there to entertain, not a fellow peer creating.
No. 1420439
>>1420269This would explain many observations I made. I noticed that there are so many (sorry) very amateurish artists that draw the same bland poses and cartoony bodytypes that claim they are selling out in hours.
It cannot be the price, because most of them ask for shockingly high sums. One I know wants 170 Euro/Dollar for one of her copy-pasted adoptables that are all the same funkopop-like chibi with different skins but she claims to sell them.
Maybe a lie maybe not. But I noticed too that people rarely engage with artists once they have reached a certain level. Even beautiful art that gets 1000 retweets has often 0 comments, meanwhile something that look only slightly better than Ecstasy A.K.A. "Darks" seems to gain replies. Usually by artist that are on the same level so you are mostly likely right.
As the other anon said, if an artwork is pretty or professional they just assume that it pops into existence without a creator and at best you will sooner or later see your stuff as an avatar somewhere (though I admit that this at least cool).
No. 1420764
>>1420439To be fair, I think the comments aspect relates also to how much an artist interacts with their fanbase.
I find that popular artists who respond to all or most of the feedback they receive are the type to receive comments regularly. As much as it might suck, being a successful artist on social media often entails cultivating a community.
No. 1420768
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why do people shit on Loomis so much? Is it /ic/ tards? I checked his books and i think they are super begginer friendly, also they are free.
No. 1420942
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>>1420935I'm personally really enjoying my Galaxy tab s6 lite. I'm also q hobbyist, and it has been perfect for me. I wish I had CSP in it, but I couldn't crack it for Android, so I bought infinite painter on a sale and it's pretty damn good, I really like the brush variety and have even made my own by now. I wasn't super into the UI at first but you get used to it.
Also not sure if relevant, but I bought a paper like film and a Wacom titanium nib on AliExpress that worked perfectly for the s pen. I love the texture and the pen doesn't get a dull nib in like 4 hours!
No. 1421155
>>1420269Professional artists don’t get money off internet alone, and in my experience they don’t want to use it as an income source, smartly so.
As another anon pointed out, getting replies and clout requires interacting with fanbase and curating it, which most pros don’t do.
No. 1421562
>>1421503I used it with Clip Studio and I found that the line quality was jittery, there was a slight lag to every stroke I did, imprecise as the cursor didn't quite correspond to where the pen touched the screen, and the pen itself was kind of unpleasant to use in terms of holding it and how it glided on the surface of the screen. All these things together just made it frustrating to use. The first iPad Pro/Apple Pencil was released around the same time, I was weighing my options between the two devices and it made sense to me to pick the Surface Pro since the iPad Pro didn't quite have the same ecosystem as it does today. Was that a mistake. I use an iPad Pro/Apple Pencil now and it's like magic in comparison.
I mean, it was a quality machine if you wanted a Windows tablet but if you bought it for digital art I think you would be disappointed. I've heard artists say they exclusively use Wacoms, Huions, XP-Pens and iPads or whatever but I've never really heard one say they use a Surface Pro.
No. 1421682
does anyone else have more vids of people drawing that arent speedpaints? like this. I am trying to learn how to paint
>>1421670you dont have to draw form imagination, you can always build a moodboard with refs and work from there
No. 1421697
>>1421670Always draw with purpose/subject matter in mind, you will never experience burnout. Don't just open a blank document and blindly doodle.
Drawing from imagination simply means having an idea in your head and making it real. It doesn't mean you have to know how to draw everything without references. Once you have an idea you want to draw, the best thing you can do is create a moodboard and gather tons of references
No. 1421917
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Does anyone have proof/screenshots that Remy Boydell faked being transfemale and their interest in fictional cp?
I like their stuff but its sad to see them being a degenerate.
No. 1421991
>>1421682I would suggest trying to find archived streams.
Some are speedpaints but there are realtime streams here too
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2tU3jX2rJ1Mx7qxNIzY66g/videosex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAwi1ZtPc6s portrait (recent)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEUNSmzEFuU 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm2GZ1XH510 2 the artist here has some interesting notes (in chinese, try using the google translate app on your phone) and refs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEdBX-rA7yg rinotuna vod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdNK-r7W98wI found these links through ic but try searching for japanese/korean live streams on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgqpVKzuiXM this guy also does breakdowns of painting processes
No. 1422356
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does anyone know the best/cheapest option for a shortcut remote/extended keypad thing you can use for hotkeys on a PC? using my actual keyboard at the same time as my giant ass tablet makes me hunch over and my drawing arm is always bent, which is annoying. picrel is an example, but i'm not sure whether it exists anymore kek
No. 1422529
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>>1422356If you’re from the US I would try this.
I didn’t expect much but I find myself using it a lot with my Wacom, it’s Bluetooth and it even has a mouse in the middle for the price it’s worth a try until you find one that works better with you.
No. 1422895
>>1422468>>1422584Lmao no, if I liked their fictional CP, I wouldn't have called them a degenerate.
I didn't like their comics, I just liked their watercolor furry art, despite it being scrotey AF.
No. 1422953
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Found this artist recently and everyone's acting like this guy's a genious and while I agree that his technique is great, I don't really get why he thinks that it's necessary to draw animals fucking and realistic animal dicks. Picrel is one of his recent works and it's mild, but in his latest one he straight up drew an aroused animal dick on a feral animal. I could understand if the animal was anthropomorphic but this is too much for me. It feels fucking weird.
No. 1423197
>>1422953I didn't even register this as fucking. Just thought it was a bird perched, especially because everything in the back doesn't line up. The tail is down, for one and the bird wouldn't even be low enough.
The fuck is wrong with you?
No. 1423447
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>>1423442>>1423446i just googled him and yeah he's just a furry. there's an erect dick on this piece. lol. moids are so stupid
No. 1423458
>>1422953I looked him up and he's probably a gay furry. Moids aren't shy about their fucked up fetishes. The piece you posted seem innocent at first, but in the context of his gallery it becomes bleak.
>>1423332People can be shocked and disgusted by both.
No. 1423466
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Tbh i'm somewhat used to people drawing degen shit and then giving it long, poetic and deeply metaphorical explanations, I used to check every contemporary art exhibition I could because it can be just so fascinating; but sure enough he was asked about this specific thing and didnt even bother to answer. Cum for cum's sake. He could've at least try lol
No. 1423483
>>1423332I never said octopus drawings aren't creepy. I can dislike both and your whataboutism is annoying.
>>1423466I posted him mostly because he wants to give this deep meaning to a drawing of a fox cumming. He links his patreon under the drawings to explain whatever deep meaning there is to him drawing a fox cumming and a peacock fucking a fox. He really thinks he's doing something real clever.
I also didn't know about him before and I thought his art was really nice and charming at first, but then you zoom in and notice animals fucking and erect dicks in otherwise mundane and interesting pieces. The latest pieces are especially gross to me because they're not even furries, they're regular animals drawn in weird sexual scenarios.
No. 1423622
>>1422356wireless numpads are good and cheap, there's also macro keypads with rotating knobs you can find on aliexpress, I'd buy them if I didn't have the numpad already
>>1423540thanks!! i hate the paperlike film tho, the screen quality is reduced drastically
No. 1424484
>>1424424If you're making decent money off a career in an art related field pat yourself on the back, you're already successful.
The thing that stops people from achieving their dreams is financial security and a stable living situation. If you have those set, continue to work towards your goals until you die. You're only a failure when you give up.
No. 1425047
>>1423411Yeah; there's plenty of completely free and royalty free but affordable resources short of taking your own photos or even building your own models (lots of free to use ones out there) that you can use for photobashing. I'm a "purist" in the sense that I like studying the cheats of yore and applying them to my work. It is, by no means, an easy way out. You still have to know how to blend everything in, unless you're going for a discordian look on purpose.
Though not explicitly labeled (aside from the obvious photobashing tutorials, you'll stumble upon some process videos on youtube that do include a little photobashing here and there. Mangakas are especially known for it. I don't see why anyone would hide it; it's common among professionals.
No. 1425291
>>1414660I need some advice. I have this autistic obsession with a particular artist, where I want to draw like her, but I also hate it because I feel like I already had a similar style, just less refined. I wasn't really creative when I first found her art because I was focused more on fundamentals. Now that I have a solid skill base, I want to start doing more personal art with interesting themes, but I keep getting this feeling that my art will look too much like hers, or people will think I'm a knock off of her. But I only really studied a few specific things from her art, like eyes, for example. Plus, I've seen lots of other youtube artists that draw like her anyway, so it's not like she's that unique.
Ugh I feel annoyed with myself for thinking like this and I just want to draw and enjoy what I make.
No. 1425342
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watch normies suddenly become "good artists" overnight painting over AI generated anime girls
No. 1425347
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>>1425342you cant convince me that there arent greedy/evil intentions behind AI anymore now that even big companies are pushing it. Its extremely suspicious how, despite most artists being against it, ALL of the bigger art platforms and programs are incorporating it. The other day i tried to search watercolor painting in Pixiv and the search was completly broken by shitty AI porn being spammed that had nothing to do with watercolor.
No. 1425633
>>1425472What do you mean? Adobe was the first to hop on AI art as a function in their program. Everyone else is just following suit.
You can't deny that at this point, Clip Studio Paint/Celsys and Adobe talk to each other.
No. 1426295
>>1423466Oh, I didn't realize this was about this artist.
Sexual things like ejaculation in art (of animals no less) from a moid is always suspect even if the art is nice and seems "deep". He seems a little bit occult bro who doesn't talk a lot to seem mysterious.
I liked his art and some of his concepts but he is so, so heavily inspired by Mobius in a lot of his work that it's actually a little distracting. I don't know why it bothers me as much with him.
Agree with another anon who mentioned the lack of value in his work. He is skilled but the flat clutter makes the work difficult to look at.
If he's trying to express something with the animal dicks, it comes off more like the occult dudes on reddit who swear that magic has to be done through sex and masturbation.
Things really don't have to be sexual to be base/deep.
(integrate) No. 1426666
>>1426319Well peacocks are male for one thing. You must be thinking about peahens.
>>1426350Praying you’re a zoologist because there are only two types of people who are acquainted with the term.
No. 1426725
>>1426556There should be a little box icon next to the brush size slider (if there isn't, check the brush's properties by right-clicking on it and check the "change size with pressure" box) click on it and a pop-up will appear. From there either change the "minimum size" slider or play around with the pressure graph.
Sorry I cant be more specific with names, I'm out od my house right now.
No. 1427866
>>1425342>>1427846Honestly I think it will only flood the internet even more with shitass art because every talentless idiot I see hypes this shit up because they always wanted to be artists but they are lazy fucks who spent their years whining not being able to draw instead of actually drawing and improving like every other artist.
>>1427855Same. This shit is what shitty CGI is for anime.
No. 1428654
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Guy who draws countries having sex with each other but with weird soccer ball heads. Weird
https://twitter.com/DaFriix?t=BW1dVe_LbY5io6yH_272_Q&s=09 No. 1428819
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>>1428654why is brazil kind of…
No. 1428940
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? what’s even the difference between the second and third ones
No. 1428944
>>14289401. Original: dark skin dark hair
2. Lighter skin, lighter hair (meaning a change in color palette)
3. light skin, dark hair (lighting the character, and not the overall image)
4. making the hair straight instead of curly, making the nose smaller
That's what I've come to understand
No. 1429043
>>1429026it's not white-washing to just draw a character differently. is it white-washing to draw a black character in an anime style? is it white-washing to draw an alternative hairstyle just like black women wear wigs and try different styles and colors in real life? i'll answer it for you: no.
there's no such thing as making the facial features "look european" because africa is the most genetically diverse continent. does iman look white?
No. 1429156
File: 1669933362912.jpg (1.86 MB, 3265x4000, africanpeople.jpg)
>>1428940I wonder if people are aware of how diverse black people are.
No. 1429219
>>1429156It's always American artists that fail to realise this, not sure why. Does the US not get any immigrants from Ghana, Ethiopia or Kenya these days?
By now even the racist "Africa is just one poor country" boomers here have learned to tell some of them apart by looking at their faces.
No. 1429276
>>1429043I'm sure there's a difference between, "Drawing a character in a different outfit/haircut" and "Drawing a character the exact same but their hair is straighter and their features are "simplified" because "muh style". " Sort of like when people draw characters who have hooked noses, with straight ones.
>>1429156Feel like you guys are missing the point of the image. That image is clearly not talking about OCs, but instead fanart of canon characters.
No. 1429292
>>1428940This isn’t meant to be a generic rule but refers to how artists will “iron out” certain features for specific characters.
Like if a character has curly hair why’re you drawing them with straight hair, no one ever does that with straight haired characters.
No. 1429680
>>1428940A guide by someone who can't eveb draw a stick figure lol.
>>1429156The Maasai guy looks good ngl.
No. 1429875
>>1429808It’s not autistic! It’s just that I live in a bullshit timeline where nobody knows or loves me the way I need them to and life is bleak so I rely on the vanishingly small possibility of a loving future with him in another timeline to help me cope with things
“Husbandos are the copium of the people” or something idk
No. 1430031
>>1429906getting popular on instagram from the bottom in 2022 is impossible unless you post multiple times a day, do the reels, do stories. basically devote your life to instagram. it's the shittiest app for artists.
Tumblr actually has the best tagging system and posts circulate for years. I don't know if it's the best platform to build a business or loyal followers, but it's the best for posts because nothing is suppressed by an algorithm.
No. 1430540
>>1429214Are you planning to draw as a job or as a hobby?
Either way, there is nothing that you do that won't require you to try and fail several times. I understand that the fear can increase when you intend to draw as a job, but the solution might be the same. The less you draw the harder it gets to start, because it becomes a distant and alien thing to you. The best way to improve your drawing is actually enjoying the process, the result is always hard to fully control. Try focusing on quick drawings, big detailed pieces take a lot of time, they are easy to frustrate anyone and make them doubt themselves. I would start with sketches, simple drawings that you don't worry as much for the quality and can move on quickly to a new one, the more you draw the more comfortable you get. Failure will still be part of it, you might improve but it will always feel you are behind, but just know these feelings are very normal for every artist. I hate most of what I do, but as time passed and I looked back on some of my old drawings I actually really like them. I realize part of hatred towards my drawing comes form the hatred I have for myself, I only like some of my older drawing because they now feel distant to me and I was able to remove myself from them in a way and see them as what they are, just drawings. If you are anything close to what I am describing I feel it's really important to reflect and work on yourself as well.
No. 1430632
>>1430621It's the exact opposite for me.
All I do on twitter is posting a new artwork every 2-3 weeks and I have already 1000 followers. On instagram I posted my stuff too and get maybe 20 likes per pic instead of 1000 or so I had 30 or so followers before I gave up.
No. 1430642
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I've had this ig account for a couple years now and i've deleted and uploaded content multiple times, i think that kind of fucked with the algorithm or something?
Anyway, i don't like what i've posted and i really didn't draw stuff i enjoyed, i got tired of the account and i was wondering if it's a good idea to just delete it and make a new one
What do you say anons?
No. 1430693
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>>1430622That’s how we describe it, nonna. It might not be politically correct but they’re considered mostly neutral if not outdated terms. Just like how some people call locs dreadlocks despite being short for “dreadful locks”, and that term came from the British.
No. 1430712
>>1430693Nta
I had no idea that's what it was short for wow
No. 1430721
>>1430693Please don't say "we." There are black people who don't call people those things unless they hate them personally. Where are you from? I'm around other black people who can be ignorant but they're not the ruled and I take the "Nappy" in the book as reassuring children that having "nappy" hair isn't anything to be ashamed of. The things you said before were just insults towards strangers.
I just don't like ignorant blanket statements for people. Bell pepper noses…Fuck outta here.
No. 1430914
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I’ve been getting videos on “proshipper art style”. I still don’t understand wtf proshippers are i avoided that discourse as much as possible on tumblr. If accusing people of being bad because of an art style is huge then no wonder many younger artists adopt ugly styles
No. 1430982
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>>1429156when most people draw black people, they are not thinking about this in mind. It's usually goes in the direction of dark to light, curly to straight. It's like a character has the coloring of Kelly but they use the color of Beyonce.
You know how you don't like it when characters get blackwashed in remakes? Black people don't like white washing
No. 1431024
>>1430914The crusade against supposed "Proshippers" are by people who are REALLY like self-shipping but hide it behind the morality brigade, or use it to get ammo against an artist they're trying to drag down. That is probably why we've got people trying to pinpoint "a style" they use.
It apparently only applies to "
problematic" ships; but it's a very 'rules for thee; not for me' situation as there have been plenty of anti-shipper artists who've ran crusades and had a "
problematic" exception.
No. 1431030
>>1428819>>1428654The fact that I just
know there are people out there who most likely jerk off to this shit unironically makes me want to kms.
No. 1431078
>>1430914What do teens have against shipping nowadays anyway?? Back in my day, teens tried to be as edgy as possible. Now, they put on this fake wholesome act (it's fake, because they're all consuming ""
problematic"" content on the downlow)
No. 1431101
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Does anyone else feel annoyed with how tranny'ism is so popular within the social art world? I can't help but notice that lately whenever I've been coming across artists whose work I enjoy, I'll come across them on Twitter and many of them turn out to be troons, mostly TIFs as of late with the occasional TIM or NB. I know that you should just separate the art from the artist and I do tend to do that (picrel, an artist who's work I like even though she's a delusional TIF) but it just feels like it's become almost a guarantee that an online artist you come across is going to be some deluded gender-tard.
I guess the reason why it does bum me out so much is because I don't have any art friends and haven't for years and I miss having art friends but the last time I even attempted to try to socialize on Twitter in recent, the artist saw that I retweeted the "LetWomenSpeak" event hosted by Kellie-Jay Keen and I got called a disgusting transphobe and blocked (The artist "identified" as an "enby" even though she didn't put that in her bio description and mostly does fan art).
It just feels almost impossible to make art friends online if you don't buy into the trans cult. It's even more frustrating when you know trans is a crock of shit that can even be harmful to kids but they can't see it and it seems like artists are especially the most loudest of the TRAs.
It's hard because I now that I probably could be more successful making art friends if I just accepted the ideology but ever since I peaked (thanks to the MTF & FTM threads here), I can't even do that anymore like I used to. I just wish I could find other artists who don't buy into this nonsense and it be like it was in the good old days where at most you just came across annoying shipprs, I'd take them any day over this crap.
Also sidenote, just wondering if anyone has seen other artists (who aren't Troons) have a similar art style to the picrel? Not sure what you can call this style but I like it and would love to find others with a similar style who preferably aren't trans-affiliated lol.
No. 1431184
>>1431101I feel what you mean. It’s difficult to find other female artists who actually identify as such nowadays, but they’re definitely out there. And it’s always so disappointing to find a new female artist and realize she insists she’s a man.
For me it’s easiest to try and find other women by seeking out subject matters that usually don’t appeal much to gendies, ie, very “neutral” and apolitical un-coomerish subject matters. Basic fluffy het romance and ships tends to be a good place to find women too lol.
Over time I’ve muted every vaguely gendie term in Twitter, along with basically any artist who posts gendie content, and this has actually lead to my TL being basically gendie-free. It’s a long process but it makes it way easier to find actually female artists now.
No. 1431201
>>1431024>>1431078Almost every person I’ve seen who is adamant about certain ships being
problematic or
abusive has been revealed to like similar or “worse” ships. I try to avoid all discourse over shipping but it’s still something I’ve noticed over time.
No. 1431355
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This made me laugh I’m sorry
No. 1431695
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>>1431403Like
>>1431408 mentioned , The artist is a TIF, a woman who thinks she's a edgy rocker boi. Her comic was actually quite interesting until you learn that the main character (the brown haired guy) is a TIF. When I read that, I did keep reading but it felt like the character was a self-insert and I couldn't help but find it cringe and while I'm not entirely sure yet as I haven't read past chapter 4, "his" struggle feels like an identity crisis to his past self as a girl. Thankfully at least so far in the comic, she doesn't focus too much on the troon crap but it's hard to look at the protagonist knowing that it's a woman who thinks she's a man.
But I feel you anon, the way she draws characters is awesome. I love her attention to detail of making character designs that standout without being too much. It's just a shame that she's so deep in the troon hole which is why I'd love to find other artists who have a similar art style but living i reality kek.
No. 1432099
>>1431101I know posting personal info is not allowed in lolcow but I just really want a network of nonnies or female artists who dont follow through the gendie shit for this reason. I'm this close to cutting off old friends because they identify a not girl.
>>1431321>>1431184I mostly do OC stuff which is an even smaller niche. But I would love to follow any cute het/oc artists you may recommend!
>>1431742>>1432002the other subtle things I saw were 'F' and the female emoji. I feel like you get enough benefit of the doubt if you aren't public about political shit. They might just assume you live under a rock and not aware lol.
No. 1432276
>>1432033I do recommend putting age (not exact age if it makes you uncomfortable, something like 21+ will suffice) in bio so others know you’re not a minor.
>>1432099Kek I have gotten away with putting “female” on my bio
No. 1432340
>>1431925AYRT Yeah I've done the same trying to apply what I like about her style into my own work. I just never knew what to call her art style. I want to say anime but yet something about it doesn't really feel "anime" if that makes sense? lol
Either way yeah, it's a shame when good artists go dwon the trans hole and even worse when they try to apply it to their character's story.
No. 1432346
>>1431742>>1432002Yeah that's a good start. I don't list pronouns in my bio.
>the Venus symbol is "terfy" Awesome, I'll definitely include that in my bio if it may help signal to other artists that I'm not a gendie.
No. 1432404
>>1432099I've been putting F in my bio since 2005 like it never changed lol. People still ask me my pronouns every livestream
But I feel you anon. It's so sad, I feel like I can't trust anybody out there anymore because some gender special will out you as a
terf and cancel your whole career. I feel like this is why we'll never have an art community like DA again.
No. 1432688
>>1432404>I feel like I can't trust anybody out there anymore because some gender special will out you as a terf and cancel your whole careerWhy do you have this fear? If your art has nothing to do with politics/feminism, you really don't have to bring up gender at all. Even if you draw f/f art, never mention gender or talk about it. People asking for pronouns is pretty basic, as long as you don't act annoyed or offended, nobody will suspect you think gendies are dumb
You don't have to say your true feelings on trans issues, just like you don't have to talk about any political or social issue like global warming, classism, racism, etc. Just focus on your art, and people who follow you will do the same (always block annoying minors)
No. 1433103
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Why the fuck are Sakura microns so expensive? Nearly 5 bucks for a single piece and the price is not much different if you buy it in a case. I just got a Staedtler fineliner for half the price.
No. 1433221
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Nonnie, i am looking for a website where I could get money but without a client knowing my PayPal email, real name or any other private info. The country where i am has all of the info on anyone wide open so getting my adress would be the easiest thing to do.
Ive been using Streamelements but not everyone can pay there unfortunately.
Would kofi show my paypal account, name and email if i connect it or would it be better to use stripe?
I am looking for lots of alternatives so i wont get doxxed. Sadly had an exp with paypal locking my business account for no reason so i am not testing the bullet again with that. Thank you nonnas.
No. 1433237
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1 mill views for what, am I missing something here
No. 1433668
>>1433592I hope some kind of class-action lawsuit would be possible at some point. But I believe some of these Ais are funded by big tech and even have NASA on board, I don't know how the average artist is supposed to fight back.
>>1433583There wouldn't be so much backlash if AI shills weren't so needlessly aggressive and smug over artists. I've seen someone on discord claim that he used AI to spite on artists because "they have it too easy!" it's really just stupid
No. 1433724
>>1433221art sites like arty.ooo and comiss.io might be good. I would also recommend stripe.
>>1433583I'm quite happy people won't shut up about AI, it's not going to go away if you ignore it. We as artists have to keep the discussion against it and shame them like we did with nfts. If you hate it so much, block the terms from whatever social media you're on.
No. 1433750
>>1433583AI art isn’t real art. Why are you getting so
triggered in a thread full of artists?
No. 1434143
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i really hate these modern illustration styles. they look so childish and trigger every time i see them. am i just a salty, joyless bitch?
No. 1434264
>>1424424Being a wagie slave pretty much redesigned my goals in life.
Kinda "blackpilled" me about the commercialization of art/media.
At this point I just want to peacefully and comfortably retire while being strong enough to draw leisurely till I die.
My previous dream was to be a published comic/gamedev/etc (i have too many interests) but it feels so congested nowadays especially without making it lgbtq/bipoc/marginalized voice aligned.
In my opinion, if you're making a lot of money and don't have to crunch for it, then you're definitely in the better half.
If you have a goal like to make your own game or whatever, try to do it on your free time. If you want to improve or learn a certain aspect, pick up a class! Totally not late
nonnie.
No. 1434316
>>1434161I like "AI bros" (derogatory)
More realistically, AI user and AI image?
No. 1434554
>>1434099east asian art has several particulars mostly in the face and hands of how they draw their subjects (and many deviations within that; it's easy to tell japanese apart from korean and chinese art for example)
slavic artists tend to draw slender and appealing figures, lacking the disneyfication of faces that americans and canadians tend to draw. burgers and canucks also seem dedicated to trying to draw as much face variety as possible, often making their subjects ugly in the process whereas slavic people tend to want to draw attractive faces, and if they uglify their subject they often just have a weird body or maybe some eye bags as opposed to having fat tumblr noses, blemishes, obesity etc like americans/canadians like to draw
No. 1434916
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What is the line between tracing and a master study? Picrel is Judith Beheading Holofernes by the Italian artist Caravaggio and what my teacher said is a master study where the artist used characters from the anime Naruto? I don't watch anime instead of people in the original painting. I know that there are artist that imitate other artist and sell their paintings under that artist's name resulting in a art forgery. However When I search online for more examples of master studies with characters from various media or animals such as cats which is pretty cute tbh I seem to notice that some of the bodies in some art just not fit? if you know what i mean like there is something odd with the painting that I can't put my finger on.
No. 1434952
>>1434941This exactly! I don't want to paint something that ends up in the uncanny valley category since I want to make my money worth considering my teacher doesn't really give out classes anymore considering her age.
>>1434943No I'm not her. I usually paint landscapes and look for similar artist. I don't really know the name of any artist that specialize with figure painting, I just named Caravaggio because he has a funny name and my teacher mentioned him in that particular class.
No. 1434975
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>>1434316yeah, I say "AI images." Or garbage if I'm trying to hurt someone's feelings. They get
triggered really quickly kek
>>1434916I think pieces like this are fun, especially if the original painting fits the character.
No. 1435114
>>1431024The "antishippers" I met so far were like that too they selfshipped so I never even understood what they meant with this. Thought it was being against shipping on principle, but they always ship something.
As the other anon has said I try to avoid every fandom discourse like the plague and just post my art and talk with the few people I am friends with.
No. 1435122
>>1431101>Does anyone else feel annoyed with how tranny'ism is so popular within the social art world?I am into Transformers so YES.
Good look finding western fanartists that don't draw every single male character like a woman because everybody on cybertron obviously transitions for some reason. There are SOME good western artists and god bless them but holy shit they are rare. It's like 99% of the Asian fandom is drawing cool canon shit, same with the Eastern European fans, but then you get the west and 90% or more is just tranny art and they all look exactly the same.
>guess the reason why it does bum me out so much is because I don't have any art friends and haven't for years and I miss having art friendsSame here. I love drawing art but there are only two artists I can (rarely) talk to, for the rest I don't even understand their languages. I don't care about the gender stuff but I want to sperg and talk about the series I am into, but the western artists prefer to talk about gender headcanons instead and write greentext stories about their fluffy or porny trans issues (it's not only TF even, I am into multiple fandoms rn).
No. 1435278
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>>1435213TbrainRot, weird pedo who ships herself with lisa simpson, is a detransitioner and is a shaynatard apparently. She went from trans to lesbian and now she's apparently straight again. Not really milky but super weird overall, she was probably molested or something.
No. 1435368
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>>1435344mento illness. I imagine the years of testosterone rotted her brain or she has autism or something. A shame because her art is pretty decent. It's really sad to see an artist waste their talent drawing degenerate shit.
No. 1435432
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>>1435419>>1435282>>1435368Stuff like this really doesn’t help the whole ‘troonism isn’t inherently sexual’ thing. The stereotype is that moids are sex pests but ftms can be just as pornsick, especially if they grew up on the internet.
She reminds me of this other weirdo artist that used to be on tumblr. She always had crushes on the weirdest characters like the puppet from Goosebumps, Sideshow Bob, Stewie, King Candy, etc. I genuinely can’t tell if she’s an autistic pedo or gets off on having out there character crushes. She did claim to be pro-lolishota and supportive of MAPs so the writing’s on the wall I guess.
No. 1435443
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>>1434554interesting, I have another question, can you describe what exactly are the "tumblr artstyles" that
nonnie's were describing on the short comics thread
No. 1435519
>>1434942Then don't trace, plan out a grid. Grid your paper and grid the example your teacher wants you to use and do the art that way, but edit it into characters of your own choosing. The tracing she is referring to is probably the shape, not literal tracing. Artists do shape tracing all the time without details to get the proportions right.
I honestly don't know why you're in this class for master study when it seems you don't even have basic fundamentals of how to reference trace.
No. 1435609
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>>1434099why am I attracted to this cartoon fuck boy character?
No. 1435643
>>1435609kek i was hyper obsessed with her ocs last year after watching the mixed messages music video. check her "buttons" tag on tumblr for more if you like him
https://galoogamelady.tumblr.com/tagged/Buttonsi cant unsee the projared resemblance now after anons pointed it out…
No. 1436193
>>1435848Is it this anon?
https://haveibeentrained.com/?custom=1It goes through databases that are being used by a bunch of the AI’s to see if your source pic is in the references or is it something else? I’m curious
No. 1436565
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>>1435213A little late but clownstongue came up in the fakeboi thread. Extremely NSFL. Browse at your own risk.
https://twitter.com/clownstongue No. 1437651
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I don’t get why Adam Warren’s art gets praised. Sure, his rendering is good but besides that it’s hideous. It seems like he’s trying to emulate Japanese doujin artists without any of the charm. I especially hate the coomery way he draws women.
No. 1437764
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>>1435213late to reply but, folieloaded on twitter/gynandromorph on tumblr admittedly her art has gotten a lot better and most of her milk is ancient now. typical DID they/them nlog TiF but still loud and proud lesbian who draws comics about her alters. used to be in an
abusive polycule with only TiMs older than her who wanted her for sex, and even admitted she as coerced into making a porn art side account that she never wanted but is someone who capes so hard for them that she refuses to admit thats what caused all her relationships to crumble, since breaking up with all her
abusive exes she is asexual now and lays a lot lower than she used to. made a few webcomics, got backlash with her first one that i think sent her into a spiral but she finished another webcomic and is starting another one. her first one and current one star TiMs and she continues to put them on pedestals despite her abuse that was so public. anyway i know a few other nonas in here also follow her as she has been posted in the fakeboi thread before
No. 1437780
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>>1431406That's probably because 3 year age gaps weren't considered "pedophilia" back then. Age gap discourse definitely played a part in that
No. 1438129
>>1437621That's alright, just don't neglect practicing figure drawing every now and then.breference from more than one pic.
Also, whenever using tools like 3d model tracing, you just have to make it look natural and not soulless traced.
No. 1438218
does anyone else hates having artist friends? it feels so fake, at least with mine you can never criticize their work because they get mad.
>>1436565a shame, her art is kinda good
No. 1438627
>>1437651YES
nonnie I've always hated his dumb fish lips and always felt insane how his art seemed to be put in such high regard. I think you put it succinctly when you say its an emulated art style without the charm.
Also looking at that page the randomly bolded and underlined words are starting to piss me off too
No. 1438666
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Have you nonnas seen this case? Dude copies photographer's work 1 to 1 on his painting, wins money prize, she still loses the copyright lawsuit because it's apparently not "unique enough", despite her being an established professional and the copy being practically identical down to flower petal placement. Of course reddit trolls imply it has something to do with her being a woman and wanting to take men's money. Bleak af.
I remember following her work ages ago in deviantart's best years, her work is and has always been unique, it's hard to believe court ruled otherwise. She elaborates more in this thread
https://twitter.com/zemotion/status/1600529480099196928 No. 1438672
>>1438218If the only thing you have in common is that you draw, even if you both like each others art, the friendship won't be very strong. You need to have some other hobbies or interests in common to make genuine friends.
Avoid artists with huge egos, or really insecure artists. Both these type of people will befriend you for ulterior motives.
No. 1438707
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>>1438666Wrong ruling. Kill reddit moids. I feel so bad for her.
The AP photographer who took the photo of Obama that got turned into the famous Hope poster won a case of copyright violation, even though the graphic design was much different than the photo, and got to share monetary rewards with the artist.
This degenerate male did a 1:1 copy of her photo, down to every shadow and petal. He might as well have submitted her photo and said he painted it.
No. 1438850
>>1438666Absolutely disgusting. The art isn’t even that great of a replica- not just because it doesn’t add anything new or original- it’s just so lifeless. Sometimes I hate artists who draw “realism” purely because they can’t draw anything outside of a picture they’re referencing- they’re literally human printers
>>1438808Really don’t want to get into this topic, but it has always been a red flag to me. Guys can say that it’s “evolution” to look for young women as partners but they just don’t want to admit to being so pathetic that they can’t find someone in their own age range because young women are the only ones who can deal with their bs because they don’t know any better
No. 1438906
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Why are Japanese moids so damn autistic
No. 1438917
>>1438850I never understood their weird justifications
>Muh looks/evolutionAs if they can't find plenty of more attractive women their own age? Idk why they would need to seek out fertility unless they're actively willing to marry, financially support the woman and raise the children long term including when she will inevitably age out of their preference, but most men don't want to do that
>Submissive/virginal/better at sex/etcI'm convinced men who say this never met hormonal and jealous younger girls kek
No. 1438992
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>>1438945>This was done in a way he could get away with it because I bet this coward would not have done it to another race of woman.He did. He also copied from white men.
No. 1439163
>>1438666>>1438992Exhibit A: Just because you know how to perform the
task of painting and have the skill doesn't mean you're an artist. Can't wait until there's no rewarding this kind of NPC-tier human photocopy bullshit, he is no better than AI
No. 1440943
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The eyes do look a little weird tho…
No. 1441007
>>1434143It's like they're trying hard to reproduce the feel of Japanese anime art but failing miserably and it comes off as particularly cringy, especially the expressions. They use western cartoon proportions I guess
>>1434099I knew because I recognized the art style from some other thread where a video of hers was posted. But in all seriousness, I can't describe exactly what makes Eastern European comic artists so identifiable, but the same can be said about practically any region. French style, American style, Japanese style, Korean style, Latin American style, Chinese style, SEA style, you get the idea.
No. 1441534
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>>1434099One thing is WITCH influence. It was popular in some eastern european countries, webcomic artists (for example Phobs) were copying this style and everyone else was copying them.
No. 1441675
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>>1441619I'm not the anon above but I'm guessing the placement of Korean artist has a lot to do with webtoons. Even if the stories are interesting, most of the artwork featured in webtoons are lackluster. It may be a bit unfair though. Just look at the Pixiv "Artist in Korea" artbook for example:
https://www.pixiv.net/special/artbook/kr/ No. 1441705
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>>1441619>>1441619People love to use that dude who did Magna carta as an example of a good korean artist, but their art is really boring and over saturated. Magna carta's art is soulless. this is the official cover
No. 1441757
File: 1670798422247.jpg (1.14 MB, 791x1222, O26uAxj.jpg)
>>1441003IIRC, this comic is a fetish comic about a super heroine who always finds herself in some kind of bondage. It’s supposed to be tongue in cheek but it’s obvious that this is just for moids to fap to. The character herself started off as an OC he’d draw for fetish commissions but then he turned it into a full comic.
I think one of the heroes is an insecure black girl who’s sole personality trait is that she’s angry and jealous of blonde, white women.
I just looked it up. Her actual name is Sistah Spooky. It seems Adam Warren really liked her backstory, since it got it’s own spinoff written by him a few years ago. Thankfully it wasn’t drawn by him.
No. 1441795
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>>1441705The artist isn't responsible for the cover art in this case; that's the designer.
If this is what qualifies as "oversaturated" to you, I can't fathom what you must think of Mika Pikazo's work.
No. 1441810
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>>1441589>american styleits sad how tumblr style, calarts and steven universe forever soiled the american style to the point its used as an insult nowadays, it used to be so varied and interesting. For me its
pre 10's american style> Japanese style> Eastern European style
my least favourite would be the french westaboo style
>>1441534, i hate it.
No. 1441833
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>>1441824Is this the same guy? It seems he’s traded in that weird wormy anatomy for clean generic anime semi realism now
No. 1441847
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>>1441833yeah, hes mostly known as a character designer. His men always looked awful to me.
No. 1441867
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>>1441833>>1441847I think the uncanny feeling comes from the faces. Rino's style is like Miyuli's but with more rendering which ends up making the anime like face stick out more. I actually really like their style tho.
No. 1441920
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Saged in case this isn't the thread for this, got an ad for ai image generation for profile pictures, was that fast or am I slow to catch up kek
>>1441847 No. 1441934
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Sergio Toppi, Gigi Cavenago, Crepax and Guido Buzzelli will forever be my favourites.
No. 1442093
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>>1441795I have a love-hate relationship with Hyung-Tae Kim's artwork. I think he does some really gorgeous work sometimes (I have the War of Genesis III artbook,) but then there's batshit insane anatomy like picrel sprinkled in places.
No. 1442187
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>>1442172i dont care much about the ''its going to steal our jobs!!!'' aspect of it, but it saddens me how in the course of a century art decayed so much and became fast food for mass consumption thanks to techfags appropiating the industry. Movies, Advertisements, cartoons, comics, videogames, and even manga and anime is so generic and dull looking nowdays. AI and the generic, samey, fast results are just a symptom of a greater disease. Art is dying and it saddens me to live to see it.
No. 1442336
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Tomislav… what a fucking dissapointment I think "never meet your heroes" applies here.. His work inspired me a lot back in the day, turns out he's really stupid. Asks his followers "Am i evil for doing NFT's" and then gets shocked and butthurt when they say yes. Like what did he expect lol? Then the classic "I'm slav! u wouldn't understand we diffent!" yea our scrotes are diffent… difefrently stupid.
No. 1442364
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why is it so hard to create good male designs? does anyone else feels this way? 99% of times i dislike male character designs even though i am a massive yumejo. The reason why i never picked up reverse harem/idol/romance anime is because the designs are so generic and bland to me, yet i often find myself really liking female designs. I only like Ensemble Stars and Luxiem designs honestly, too bad the latter are wasted on 3DPD moids who are sex pests and ugly.
No. 1442569
>>1442187>Art is dying and it saddens me to live to see it.I think corporate art (this includes art on social media favored by the algorithm) is generic and samey and soulless. But there will always be people creating unique art until the end of humanity.
The internet is amazing. I'm actually grateful we're born in a time where it's so easy to get your work out there. Never a point in human history has there existed a chance for regular people to get their art in front of thousands of people. You always had to go through the gallery system, wealthy commissioners, and corporations. Now you can just post online. Boost artists you like, it's the only way to change the tide of generic bullshit.
No. 1442771
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what do korean artists have against male chests and facial rendering
No. 1442857
>>1442624While on the subject of Nana, I don't like how protected from criticism Ai Yazawa's work is. I mean I get that we don't have much josei manga out there, but that's all the more reason to be more critical of her work, because I don't see why we should settle for her borderline glorification of
abusive relationships when we already know how much better content made by women for women could be. Her protagonists are self inserted, weak-willed women who settle for
abusive men, Nana (the punk one) is most likely based off of a woman she knew in her life that tried to talk some sense into her and clearly failed. Yazawa's views on relationships are just too fucked up for her to handle the topic of them in her work properly, and there's at least one troon in her work (that I know of) which I guess is fine if you're willing to overlook that, but I always take being expected to take a trans character seriously as anything besides delusional as an insult to my intelligence. I'm not saying there's no importance to her work at all, or that you're not allowed to like it, but I think we can do better, and we should seek out and create better josei rather than just talking about Yazawa's work all the time.
No. 1443702
>>1436572Don't think pedophllic
terf artist is a hill you want to die on
nonny.
No. 1443721
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any tips for studying? i am trying to get back to drawing after stopping for almost a year, this time i want to get serious about it and actually learn how to draw
No. 1443754
>>1442093Horse legs lol
>>1443130Falcoon's style is horrible imo
No. 1443770
>>1442364I don't think it's just male designs. Anime character designs in general have been following this trend lately of having wild hairstyles with really obnoxious random colors and overly detailed outfits with nonsense design choices. Like they think the more shit you put on them the better the design, like a kid's dA Sonic OC. But either women have superior taste than men, or bishies are just drawn worse than bishojo (like
>>1442514 said). Or both. The artwork is also pretty bad usually. There are actually good female artists who do bishies and know how to draw hands, clothes and bodies that don't look like they're made of paper, but for some reason they always hire the ones with the worst and most uninspired artstyle, maybe because of it even.
Bishies didn't even use to be that bad, I find a lot from 10+ years ago attractive but this horrible fad (I hope it's just a fad that's about to end) of trying to make your designs as """unique""" as possible while somehow making them more generic than ever, is just making everything worse. And I mean everything, from male idolshit to AAA video games. That, combined with how joseimuke media is becoming more common but also so lazy and soulless (just like media for moids) makes it harder to find something anime for women that's actually worthwhile or that looks decent and unique, and isn't just another shitty cashgrab that's similar to 20 other franchises
No. 1443893
>>1443881Interesting! The one I got is screenless, so it might give in earlier
>>1443885Oh my god, that's so frustrating. It happened with my old tablet all the time, I had to keep switching cables and usb ports and try not to move it or it would disconnect. I hope you can get it replaced soon!
No. 1443909
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My Wacom Cintiq 13HD keeps unplugging (?) when I'm using it if I move it even slightly, I'm worried that problem is in the receiving port in the tablet itself and not the cable. How fucked am I if it's that?
No. 1444047
>>1443799NTA the level of detail isn't new, but the level of nonsense detail is. I blame the gacha game phenomena amping it up, which is already about a decade old, but has permeated a lot of anime-styled media. The more accessories on a PNG, the more money it looks to be worth, which translates to a "more interesting character" for consumertards. That's permeated into other spheres.
The Sonic OC comparison is apt; it appeals for the same exact reasons: colorful, detailed, and easy-to-read, but highly simplified expressions. It's why these characters feel so boring despite being living glitter bombs. It's also why the fanbases surrounding them seem to have no idea how to behave themselves. It is said that these are traits that tend to appeal to certain kinds of autism.
>>1443849This. Even if women make fetish art, it doesn't shape their entire lives or affect the people around them like it does for male artists. Rare cases exist, but it's practically the norm for male coom artists.
No. 1444115
>>1444063She (you) should draw Lisa as an adult and not sexualize her as a child then.
>it's literally not fucking realI wonder where I've heard this one before
No. 1444201
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So I've been listening to some of Twisted Disaster's livestreams because even though I find her annoying sometimes, I think she's okay mostly when she's not around gendie friends who say much more stupid shit then she does and in her last stream she was talking about why she has stopped doing YouTube because aside from not getting the views she wanted, she also didn't like how people would dunk on her art by saying that they hate it but they liked her personality and they'd buy her merch out of pity only to throw it out.
I hadn't seen her art in awhile and I wanted to see if she had improved and nope, she's still more or less in the same level she was from before. Faces look wonky as always when it comes to her drawing human characters and anatomy looks odd. She says that she tries to go for a cartoon style and I get it but yet her stuff just looks off. I remember a few threads ago there was mention on how she over emphasizes shadows & highlights which is what makes her art look so awkward and how it highlights how jumbled her sense of anatomy and face work actually is. I feel that if she insists on drawing eyes and noses so big, she should go for a flat or minimalist shading style instead. That or finally scale the eyes down and space them a bit more instead of drawing them so close together.
It's not surprising that those who stumbled on her videos disliked her art because she has one of the most fundamentally unsettling art styles around and though she has people who praise her art, I feel like they're mostly younger artists who don't have anatomy skill neither.
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>>1444201I'll give her some credit though, when she draws non-human characters like her mascot character (picrel), it doesn't look that bad compared to when she draws straight up human characters.
No. 1444368
>>1444179I'm sure you're still free to shame female artists for having deranged tastes on an anonymous board for the same reasons why they're free to share their tastes
within reason. I'm just tired of going after people for wrongthink. A lot of artists indulge their sexuality, and many make a living for doing so. Not defending the Lisa Simpson artist, but unless she's out here using her art to groom and justify pedophilia, I'm having a hard time getting
triggered.
No. 1444489
>>1442364character designers are always more creative with female characters for some stupid reason. male characters get:
1. bishounen with fancy suit
2. bishounen with fancy military uniform
3. bishounen with basic streetwear
4. bishounen with fancy suit
5. bishounen with fancy suit, but with a prince twist (gold trinkets here and there and a cape)
6. bishounen with fancy suit (and a hat)
No. 1444569
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politepuppet/handsomehugs/340678002x9 aka Vee/Ang went on a huge spiel and meltdown over moids on 4chan commenting on how fucking lunatic she is, which eventually lead to suicide threats last night (not screencapped), the deactivation of all social media & baiting her friends into worrying about her.
No. 1444577
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so much talent wasted on generic cottagecore bullshit
No. 1444927
>>1444620Yeah, idk what op is talking about from their post, but The only form of wasted talent I see is when an artist goes in full coom territory or (when looking at insta artists) draws the same form without anything else to add
>>1444489Kek, So true
No. 1444979
>>1444633I definitely agree with you. I hate the term “proshipper” since it can encompass anything from mundane
toxic yaoi pairings to whatever the fuck
>>1436565 is drawing.
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do any nonnies remember emmy cicierega? i used to be obsessed with her stuff when deviantart was really popping back in the day. looking at it now with different and matured taste i must say it’s disappointingly boring and generic
No. 1445040
>>1444979Nta, but I’ve always hated the need for these labels to “identify” yourself as bc it’s either “you don’t like that people explore dark themes” or “if you write about said themes, you support it”- like ofc no one except those few degenerate pieces of shit actually support that sick shit.
Like, remind me why people still support these labels if it isn’t used to go on a crusade for their holy justice war across the internet?
No. 1445046
>>1445040Yeah. Like find some topics gross (anyone who likes loli shit is sick in the head) but i don’t think drawing your yaoi ship having hate sex or whatever is supporting irl
abusive relationships.
No. 1445065
>>1444201 If she's stopped doing youtube, good riddance honestly. I haven't seen her art in a while and it's still those dopey goofy expressions and that heavy handed coloring. All she does is mope and whine. I wouldn't be surprised if she was on tiktok more often now where she can continue to desperately seek the attention of teens who suck art and have poor self esteem like she does, and try hard at being 'an old but relatable artist'
Same bullshit she hasn't changed. Wherever she goes she's miserable.
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>>1445065Ironically enough anon, what you said is actually true. Michie has stated in her streams that she's more active on TikTok these days and most of her fanbase are teens though the main reason why I suspect that is because some of the comments she gets in her streams say things like "I wish I could commission you but I'm not old enough to have PayPal" and similar comments like that. And aside from Holly who she's now in a poly relationship with, her other friends are in their late teens and baby 20s with her being the oldest at 30.
And it's kinda funny because her one troon friend TheZodiacLord actually has improved her art and it no longer resembles Michie's style anymore with the dopey goofy expressions, she actually evenly proportions facial details (picrel). Don't get me wrong, she's still pretty cringe with the insistence that she's a man when it's clear she's not taking testosterone and sounds like young woman (not that it would matter, she'd still be delusional even if she was on T) but I gotta give her some credit when it comes to her art and how she's improved.
Back to Michie though, she still complains quite a bit about any minor inconveniences from having a stuffy nose to a headache and how it impedes on her not getting commission work done and having to take a personal art day and then mention how far behind she is in her commission queue as per usual. She also claims to be working on a bit of NDA contract art as well.
I feel like it's pretty clear though that aside from her views dropping and supposed copyright strike issues on her videos, I feel like another major reason she stepped back from YouTube was because it was only platform where people around her age would stumble upon her work and not be afraid to say how bad they think it looks compared to younger, much more insecure or amateur artists who will think her stuff looks great.
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>>1444201>>1445065>>1445113I also wanted to ask about this person since they've been a part of a lot of Twisted Disaster's streams for quite a while. Is there any milk on her troon friend "Sawyer" aka Starheavenly? I haven't actually looked into her but I feel like there's some funny ridiculousness behind her. She's arguably the most obnoxious of Michie's streams for me because of how it's so obvious Michie and Holly roll over to make sure to constantly affirm her "maleness" by calling her "the boy" and the constant need to use he/him pronouns. But the true obnoxious quality comes from how it's so obvious how she thinks that being rudeUWU makes her totally a guy and it's just so pathetic. And to add some cringe, she's in a relationship with another TIF who she met from Michie's Discord (I think) and they claim to be a gay couple. Said "BF"'s voice is hilarious because she sounds like a little girl. Either way as annoying as Michie can be, I find her to be tolerable when it's just her and/or Holly in her livestream.
Anyway just curious if there was anything on this person because it feels like I might've missed some milk on her. Like is there a reason behind why she thinks she's a man? Did she go to art school?
No. 1445161
>>1444966se appealed to them directly so she kind of deserves it, tbh
lolicon/shotacons are deranged in general and will constantly harass and blackmail the artists they like
No. 1445377
>>1445268Strong anatomy is absolutely one of the cornerstones of the anime style. Even though some series may have exaggerated figures, artists are able to do this effectively because they already know the fundamentals.
If you want to draw a more cartoonish style of anime, then I guess you could get away with having weak fundamentals, but if you're looking to make art on par with CiloRanko or ccroquette, then yeah, your anatomy has got to be solid.
That being said, you're overinflating just how much work you need to do to study anatomy. You do not need to learn every single muscle fiber, but you do need to have a solid grasp of things like size, proportions, major muscle groups, etc.
No. 1445713
>>1445268You don't have to study every muscle and bone unless you plan on drawing human muscle and skeleton diagrams. The important thing to study irt anatomy is proportions.
Learn how long, short, big, small, and the location of every body part is in relation to each other. And draw people from life so you learn how to draw believable movement and fluid poses.
If you want to draw an anime girl with huge eyes, you should be knowledgeable enough about human face proportions to know how to draw the mouth, nose, forehead, ears irt to that change to not make her looks strange.
Long anime legs are great, if you know how long to draw the torso and arms and how big to draw her head to make her not look weird with long anime legs.
It's all about proportions when it comes to drawing humans.
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Twitter needs to quit it with recommended videos wtf is this
No. 1445993
>>1445113> she still complains quite a bit about any minor inconveniences from having a stuffy nose to a headache and how it impedes on her not getting commission work doneYeah I noticed that too with commission work/videos/streams, I’m not the biggest fan of her work but it kinda irks me that she says that she can’t do work over something so mundane. I rather take the excuse of depression than “oh, I have a runny nose”
A bit of a tin foil hat but I wouldn’t be surprised if she and her friends hopped onto the thread every once and a while to see what people say about them, I say this because I remember when she first said that ppl didn’t like her art was when she was more popular on these forums
No. 1446066
>>1445993Exactly. It's just so odd (and pathetic) how she uses these minor inconveniences as excuses to not get her work done and then she keeps on opening for more "emergency commissions" from time to time and adds to the already long queue that she already has. I could understand if she caught a cold or was genuinely sick or even having depression bouts but she's even in the past went so far as feeling too hot (it was during summer) to work on commissions and I was like, "Bitch, just get a plug-in fan and get back to work". This is why I'm convinced that most of the people who commissions her are teenagers of freshly young adults because the wait times she has are ridiculous and that if she did have more adult clientele, they would more than likely want a refund after a month or two of waiting.
>A bit of a tin foil hat but I wouldn’t be surprised if she and her friends hopped onto the thread every once and a while to see what people say about them, I say this because I remember when she first said that ppl didn’t like her art was when she was more popular on these forumsYeah I wouldn't be surprised as well. She had Holly on a few streams ago and they brought up the sketchbook slam challenge that Holly created back in 2016 and they both were laughing at how much disdain it got saying that the people critiquing it "just sucked" ("It sucks to suck I guess" - Holly). And well besides YouTube, that "challenge" got plenty of critique and negative feedback here on the site back in those days.
No. 1446355
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I’ve been going through old issues (70s-90s) of HM. It’s an eclectic mix of trash and treasure - from shitty Robert Crumb comix to masters like Druillet. Even though a lot of it is basically porn, I highly recommend checking them out.
https://getcomics.info/other-comics/heavy-metal-magazine-1-292-extras-collection-1977-2018/ No. 1446433
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>>1442514How wrong can a person be
Enstar is the dying example of a good character design: simple, on point, lines are confident and minimalistic - no messy overlapping elements, distinctive visual features for every character’s personality, good pleasant pallets, no obnoxious clashing colors, anatomically correct body, no yaoi hands, no unnaturally broad yaoi shoulders, no elongated body and limbs, no comically long and thin hands and fingers, also no male boobs, no ugly dry big muscles, no pointy chin sly eyed “male anime design tm” face
But idk, maybe you prefer trash like charisma house or twisted wonderland designs, maybe even nu carnival, kek, that way I have nothing for you
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>>1446433honestly the biggest reason why i named ensemble stars aside of what you just said is the face shape, its not too pointy nor too round, you can tell they are men even if they have softer features. I think peak moeshit design for me would be idolmaster cinderella girls, they all have subtle features that make them really distinct from each other even if they still have generic anime faces. Of course, just talking strictly about moe and otaku stuff there are miles better character designs out there.
No. 1446517
>>1443856I'd give you a new tablet if I could, anon.
>>1444610This is the truth. Studying things that you like helps you retain what you learn.
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>>1444610i get your point but this doesnt work with me because i just like drawing everything. Its a sword of double edge, because it makes me feel overwhelmed with the amount of content i would like to be able to draw. I wish i was born with KJG's mind so i could draw literally everything. I was mostly asking for studying methods. Thanks anyways, i feel like that applies to most people.
No. 1446547
>>1445040I can see it being helpful to avoid surprising your followers/watchers if you post about something "
problematic" but I would use another phrase than that because like you anons said, many of those using that label are a mess.
I don't care that much about ships even if a character is younger, but so many self-identified "proshippers" have crazy autistically degenerate accounts that go over the top to be edgy and then act surprised when people have even mild negative reactions. The ones that also constantly engage "antis" instead of muting/blocking them like god intended I would not wanna be associated
No. 1446858
>>1446542As far as I'm aware, KJG wasn't some kind of savant; he just drew all the time. He would fill a sketchbook in one day.
If you want to be on KJG's level, follow in his footsteps. There's no magical solution to being good at drawing; sure, studying fundamentals from books helps, but 99% of learning to draw involves just drawing a lot.
No. 1446911
>>1446858this
talked to an artist who knew him and she basically said this. He was always drawing
No. 1446992
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If anyone needed a good reason to not feel sympathy Angela Vondra aka handsomehugs/340678002x9/politepuppet she surrounds herself with open sex pests now despite claiming to be anti abuse. There's a rabbithole of degeneracy to find here.
No. 1447008
>>1446992Literally who?
I looked her up and it seems like her twitter is already suspended.
No. 1447937
>>1447008NTA but she's on Baraag, she was posted about before
>>1444569I've seen her mentioned on /co/ before. She's a degenerate pedophile who likes drawing straight shota and her audience is full of 4chan pedos
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….where’s the joke
No. 1447981
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reminder to collect your free clippys
No. 1448003
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What are your 2023 art goals? for me,
>build a fanbase
>finish all Loomis books
>be able to make something similar to pic rel by the end of the year
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>>1448003Good luck nona! My 2023 art goals
>Draw majority original art instead of fanart to strengthen portfolio.>Make mini book projects like a mermay compilation or sketchbook zine, etc. throughout the year.>Attend more cons.>Get an illust agent by the end of the yr. No. 1448392
>>1448003Best of luck and strength for all art-chans in 20203!!
>Shifting my mindset to become more focused on my art (I get too distracted by my dopamine desires to just consume)>Consistent streams to build audience >Build a new website/portfolio site and include a shop>Go part time at work to spend more time on art>Start comic & set up patreon for said comic>Finish coloring book pages >>1448179I love the book project idea! I've had a burning desire to either make or collab on a zine for a while now.
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>>1448560thank you! gonna do my best to plague the net with pc98 inspired anime boys
No. 1449197
>>1448003>Focus on pieces that can tell a story: an elaborate pic, a game, or a comic>Finish website that will host all of this. It'll be a portfolio with interactive stuffI share overlap with you both
>>1448003>>1448078>>1448832I hope I find you and your boys someday! I've been getting back into pixel art, though not to the extend of pc98. I've been interested in the hi-bit era styles.
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Im very suprised this artist hasn't been posted here.(I mentioned her in the bad art thread)I used to follow her for great gatsby comics but stayed for the weird rants she goes on her stories. If I remember right she also had beef with a big artist
She's clearly mentally ill but she doesn't like being told to not to post her rants . Her antics are wild
No. 1449799
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So artstation has been having an AI related chimpout for the past week or so, as most of the nonas here already know. As much as I despise AI art, I think the concerns of artists are unfounded because AI art is always glaringly obvious to anyone who isn't an aesthetically inept reddit coomer, and I actually don't think it will ever overcome those limitations. It will evolve in terms of rendering, but that's all. If anything, it only makes human artwork stand out more - the more you look at AI shit, the more you can spot it. As
>>1431428 correctly observed, it's because everyone can actually tell it's AI derived without being able to point out why, which is why it's already devoid of value to the very coomers pushing it.
I'm not just talking about the crab hands with 7 fingers or the blobby eyes. Like one of the nonas said above in this thread, AI art lacks all intention and sense of design. The algorithm doesn't know why the metal swirly motifs around the bottle need to be in a particular location to convey something, it just slaps them on because it can easily detect its edges in whatever trash tier mobile game asset art it's bashing them from
>>1415936. Because of this, AI artwork always looks absurdly busy and overrendered for no particular reason, even though it looks solid in terms of light and shadow. There are people who draw like that, but their work also "loses" to those of artists with a good taste and is generally unmemorable.
Perhaps one day AI will have taste and intention, but that's probably as far away as true full self driving. The redditor type that hypes up the "it's over for humans!!!" perspective is fully delusional about the actual potential of AI and machine learning in general. They think their basic code monkey skills grant them expertise on vastly more complex topics in computer science. That's how they all fell for Musk's bs, for example.
Which brings me to another point - the only ones who actually should feel threatened by AI are the "artistic" subset of the crowd that pushes AI art - coomer gravure artists who serve programmer paypigs. AI is remarkably good at creating blandly posed, generic, blank faced, autistically overrendered eye candy with "sexily" broken anatomy and genshin impact tier outfits - you know,
that art. They will absolutely have to step up or be largely eliminated by midjourney et al. It's kinda funny to see them gloat about "replacing" artists when that's absolutely not what's going to happen. It's just going to devalue the already mediocre work of their coomer friends. I can see most assets for $3 anime datesims nobody plays being AI generated in the near future, and it's exactly what their audience deserves anyway.
Finally, AI tools are supposed to let people who do not have technical art skills to express their ideas through a visual medium. But what's lost on most non-artfags is that people who don't do art generally do not have anything interesting to visualize in the first place. The mind's eye is equal part talent and honed skill. People who never bothered to convey their ideas visually don't have it. From what I've seen, the "I have so many ideas and I have stable diffusion now, watch out!" types burn out after their Nth iteration of "Donald Trump HR Giger style" and quietly fade away.
Sorry for the TL;DR and more AI shit. This is mainly for people like this nona
>>1442172.
No. 1449892
>>1449799you seem to be under the misconception that the general public has anything resembling good taste. they do not, which is why you have AI accounts on twitter and instagram with more followers than competent artists whose work is genuinely good but lacks mass appeal.
people love generic and overly rendered, which is one of the reasons that artists with poor fundamentals can become popular by camouflaging those problems with rendering. meanwhile, no one particularly is interested in a beautiful, anatomically accurate and well-shaded sketch except for artists who have developed that sense of appreciation.
people by and large are philistines; it's specifically only those who actively try to hone their abilities who are effected by limitations in art or style. you don't realize it, but your entire thesis here spells out exactly why AI is dangerous to commercial artists.
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>>1449600Although some of the major things that happened on her stories. Ie; documenting her breakdowns and stuff with the artist(she got really angry about it) have been deleted (I didn't know lc back then) . She keeps changing her name and deleting some stuff so it's often I lose her .she's not a bad artist per say I would say she's atleast eccentric maybe . Her political rants are always funny though
No. 1449960
>>1449892Yes, this is exactly what I think is likely to be automated away - lowest common denominator coomer pinups. Ai completely shafting emerging coomer artists is entirely possible. Why pay some wlop/kronprinz/sakimichan for a polished anime turd with knights/overwatch nudes if you can get something similar from a prompt? Getting established as an artfag has never been easy, but serial coom art has always been a good shortcut. It will be interesting to see what happens to it now though.
The argument that art is defined by plebs rather than somewhat inherently elitist is debatable, but you are correct in a sense that the most accessible art will be devalued. I'm not convinced that it won't improve the situation for artists whose work is interesting, though. Humans recognize patterns and AI artwork is more clockable the more you look at it. Rather than devaluing art as a whole, a possible outcome is AI art (and real art most resembling AI art) will be devalued.
No. 1449998
>>1449799>AIUnpopular opinion, but as a traditional + digital artist I tolerate AI and even find it useful sometimes.
I think screwing around with different prompts and seeing the outputs help realize/organize my thoughts, or even act as a creative springboard.
If you're a traditional artist anyway AI poses no threat; they can't paint on canvases or walls (yet), and even if they could, the kind of person who is willing to shell out thousands of dollars for a commission is not the same person turning to AI for something quick and easy.
If you're a digital artist, I think you've just got to wait out the storm or adapt. I honestly don't think AI art is going to be the big deal that most people are crying about. To me, it just seems like a fad; the majority of the people who are using it are normies stylizing their selfies or coomers.
What's more, AI is shit at drawing hands, feet, and, sometimes, faces. Human digital artists still have a good ways before AI poses a genuine threat, if ever. I'm generally pretty luddite about a lot of things for various reasons, but AI doesn't seem like a big bad bogeyman to me. The only real downside it that a lot of the AI compositions are made from works created by real artists, which is a pretty tricky scenario to navigate. I certainly don't want my art to be plagiarized by these machines. I definitely agree with
>>1449964 to an extent.
No. 1450032
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>>1449964I advocate for stealing AI "art" on principle. Some particularly deluded proompter code monkeys love to talk to themselves about how they're "replacing" real artists and how they will be able to sell their AI shit. The problem is, he'll still be outdone by someone who can use AI AND can draw.
I think I might raid some AIfag artstation gallery and see if any of that cloying shit can be made into something cool.
No. 1450083
>>1450032Maybe stealing their AI images is the only way these moids will get it kek
If anyone is willing to spend a little time, create a redbubble account and put various AI images on things to sell, and advertise your shop under the AI tweets or posts. Even if it gets taken down, annoying these losers for a day would be worth it
No. 1450195
>>1449799This is the best writeup on the AI discourse I've seen. There's a HUGE elephant in the room regarding AI art: it's able to replicate a lot of things because it's feeding from a market that's been hyperproducing material at a fast rate that doesn't vary much at the foundation.
AI has amazing potential as a tool. It could easily be used to source artists, designers, and photographers who opt their collections into the dataset and be paid royalties each time their image gets pulled (and a bonus if their name is used), similar to how Soundcloud pays a royalty each time a song is played. That's just one example.
Unfortunately, with it being released during a high period of ridiculous levels of consumption, this realization may never come.
No. 1450246
>>1449998I'm a trad and digital artist who's been using AI to make mood boards, ideate a concept, get color pallets. I'm old enough to remember the trad vs digital debate, when there was never really an argument and that digital helps a trad artist set up for large scale pieces, save their artwork digitally, have easier access to printing, and plan out their colors.
>>1450032This is what I've been telling other artists to start doing. We know how to build on top of the generated spam while making it more than just a basic "fix" with the lasso tool (they bring that up a lot), or a paintover. These AIbros spam by the hour, so there are tons of things you could take for your work. There isn't a damn thing they can do about it. ArtStation, Pixiv, DeviantArt, Twitter. Go there and take the most popular pieces and from the most popular accounts. It won't matter if another artist uses the same base you do, because it won't look the same once you're done with it.
Bonus points if you sell it as a trad piece to remind these bros how flexible artists and their skillsets are.
>>1450083This is the way.
No. 1450429
>>1450246>These AIbros spam by the hour, so there are tons of things you could take for your work. There isn't a damn thing they can do about it. ArtStation, Pixiv, DeviantArt, Twitter. Go there and take the most popular pieces and from the most popular accounts. It won't matter if another artist uses the same base you do, because it won't look the same once you're done with it.Bonus points if you sell it as a trad piece to remind these bros how flexible artists and their skillsets are.
This sounds like a great social media art challenge. Take popular AI images posted by techbros and paint over them and claim them as your own work (well it would be) I think this would only make an impact if many people participate with a consistent hashtag.
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>>1450429Kek, it would be like the legendary Nibru thread on conceptart.org (too bad it's deleted now, shit was hilarious).
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>>1450767Oh, I know about the copyright aspect. It's absolutely disgusting, but unfortunately the art industry doesn't have the same amount of shills music does.
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>>1450791i think everyone who defends or shrug off AI at this point is either a shill or incredibly ignorant. Less than 6 months ago this was the best the AI could do, its not at ''its limit'' because it has infinite learning material, and it will keep getting better until there is no distinction between something made by a person and by an AI.
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>>1450793here's another one, these are from february btw, when people said the AI was already at its limit. Its learning incredibly fast and by next year it will probably be able to recreate with ease something like the top pixiv images.
No. 1450830
>>1450826Feds likely won't do anything, because every first world country's government needs/wants to get savvy and on top of all sorts of AI generation. Banning it actually puts them at a massive disadvantage to other countries, not an advantage. It's too easy to use it for operations, and they don't want to be vulnerable.
They'll likely clamp down on those individuals who make CP, but they probably won't neuter AI image generation as long as China and other parts of the world are still using it. Certain models have literally rolled back updates or filtered out NSFW content because they realized people would/could far too easily make illegal content.
No. 1450851
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>>1450793It will always be clockable because AI doesn't understand design or intent, which you can see from the poor outfits and meaningless scenes. There is no way to tag some random swirl on some Korean mmo tier chick in a way that explains why it's there and why it's a specifically (for example) a jacket swirl, not a piece of jewelry on her head. This is why AI designs generally look simultaneously bland and busy, and even plebs will be able to tell that's something's off.
The rendering will improve like what your image shows, but that's all. You can make an argument for AI filling out technical skill gaps, but you still have to be able to draw to produce anything truly competitive with the kind of AAA artwork AI trains from. Also proompters are devoid of taste, so for all their talk about AI unlocking the hidden potential of people who can't draw, all we see is some variant of "big booba anime girl" or "cool ninja cyborg knight vray 4k ultra hd". There's literally nothing else. Their ideas are pleb tier and always will be, because it's generally impossible to have someone with artist quality concepts and absolutely no desire or ability to realize them via artistic skills (unless we're talking artfag who lost their hands in an accident or something). People who don't draw/photograph/direct films simply can't have any sort of skill-locked unique vision because "inspiration" and "creativity" need to be constantly trained and developed. Look at pic related, the AIfag is trying to pull the "use AI and then manually clean it up", but it looks like corny, broken shit because he fundamentally can't draw or design.
Some problems in computer science can absolutely be solved by feeding more data to a ML algorithms, but some will cap out at a certain stage. Autonomous driving is a great example. The AI simply does not fucking understand what it's actually looking at if the context changes, and I can guarantee that autonomous driving image recognition is miles ahead of shit like midjourney lmao. That's why the notion of relying on computer vision alone in that problem was buried a long time ago.
No. 1450868
>>1450851Why did the AImoid upturn her nose and turn it into a pig nose kek He also fucked up her teeth and hair, and took the soul out of her eyes. The face the AI was taking from was drawn by a professional while the loser on the right struggles to make ~changes~
And you're right, normies don't have the imagination to create interesting images. If they had a bone of creativity in them, they'd already be drawing or knitting or sculpting.
No. 1450957
>>1442519You were me until the MS paint part. He was so nitpicky it's like he just wants a base drawing to paint over on.
He's so unbearable that it was like he'd commission people just so he could spam their inbox lol.
>I didn't even retweet itBeen there…
No. 1451085
>>1448003good luck nona.
I want to reach a good point in my webcomic
so I can go on hiatus again. Not much a goal but I hope to actually finish my commission queue from who knows when. I haven't taken any money because I knew I'd be swamped but not like this.
Along with work and comics, I want to have a good balance with my health and art. Like figuring out when to exercise and still feeling productive art-wise.
No. 1451656
>>1451616except that it just makes life for actual artists even more difficult.
saying "but it doesn't look good to me" is nonsensical in a world where sakimichan is one of the most popular working artists out there.
saying "it doesn't have artistic sensibilities" doesn't help the artists who have had their work stolen and plagiarized without permission or compensation while the people feeding the AI with licensed works are charging for its use.
the problems with AI aren't imaginary and they're not a lifetime away. they're here right now, in the present.
No. 1451708
>>1451656You have to remember that drawing like sakimichan by hand is still rare, and very few people can actually do this even though it's pleb tier among artists. She's also very prolific and spammy. AI can actually do what she does (floating overrendered pinups). What's gonna happen to artists like sakimichan and their popularity? Yes, a ML algorithm forgery won now. What's gonna happen when there's more AI spam everywhere and everyone's brains are used to it?
You see, your opinion is that once everything is terminally saturated by midjourney, art will be devalued as a whole. I'm leaning towards the opinion that this will lead people to seek out things AI can't do. AI is impressive at a glance. It gets very old very fast the more you look at it.
It very much reminds me of early trannies on the internet and how everyone was "fooled" by them, but now everyone can clock them the more of them are around. "Visibility" entirely killed the concept of "passing", and the more superficially "convincing" they become, the more uncomfortable and out of place the details appear to look.
No. 1451764
>>1451708again, you're making it about the future when the problems with it already exist in the present.
people's work has been stolen and others are making money off it literally right now. if this were about 1:1 plagiarism, i doubt you'd be sitting here handwaving it and making excuses for it like you are with AI.
No. 1451844
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>>1451764I'm not making excuses and I'm 100% in favor of banning artwork from datasets, because it's not getting "inspired", it's literally photobashing with stolen assets. There's no argument for banning this for music (and even coding, funnily enough) but permitting it for art.
All I'm saying is that AI isn't going to take our jerbs, it's just probably going to change which human art is valued more.
No. 1451890
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>>1450868Because that AImoid has some base level of skill (shit tier in my opinion), but it still miles away from the level of artists AI is photobashing from. That's why his corrections are fucked in terms of both fundamentals and design (lmfao at the crooked pig nose and the obligatory odd laser eyes). Which to me suggests that
in order to even utilize AI as a tool effectively, you have to possess a trending on artstation 4k ultra hd™ level of skill to begin with.
This is a proompter that can already sort of draw, mind you. Proompters who can't are absolutely fucked.
No. 1451896
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This artist is 19 omg. I'm 23 and I am absolute shit
Does anyone have a good practice plan to follow?
No. 1451899
>>1451896By "practice plan" I mean a weekly schedule. Like 'draw figures Monday, master study Tuesday', etc.
I need to return to job hunting next year and I have a huge senior project to finish so I am picking the absolute worst time to get back into art but I so totally regret wasting these past few years on doing nothing but coasting through university…I wanna draw again nonas pls spoonfeed me
No. 1451911
>>1451899You wanting to be spoonfed is part of your problem. If your passion is any deeper than "this kid is better than me and I don't like that" you will find a way. Look at their work and tell me what you like about it. Isolate what you want to improve.
Do you want to learn backgrounds? Go do that. Perspective? Go do that. Character design? You know what to do. Draw draw draw. Going by the example you posted, and not to knock the artist because I'm not familiar with them, they've got a handle on a somewhat interesting perspective but the concept is just "floating rpg fantasy islands with fantasy person gazing at them". There's story for your imagination but this is nothing that you can't achieve. The use of brushes provides texture, and this artist knows how to imply shapes through the grass and island in the bg without getting caught up in detail. The figure is neither here nor there, but they can clearly forgo excessive detail in order to get the whole across.
The colors (imo) are too bright and lack nuance. While there is shadow in the pic it's not executed in a way that implies light cast over the whole image (at least not in a very clear way). The background distance is muddy in it's execution. The light and shadow resembles an overcast day but that seems like more a result of the colors used than something executed on purpose.
I don't mean to bash this artist at all but this work is not particularly amazing. It's nice, but it's nothing you can't do once you understand what you're looking at.
Biggest point though Nona is not to fall into the age trap. You're not old, you're not that much older than this artist, and you have to understand that your age group has SO many resources available for both traditional and digital artists that just weren't around when I was your age, for example. You'll kill your own creative spirit if you play this game with yourself. Draw, stop looking at pretty art online with an envious eye. Instead, figure out what you like and learn to do it.
No. 1451912
>>1451896anon, this isn't very good. just how bad
are you?
No. 1452002
>>1451896This artist understands how to block in large shapes and how to use a mix of warm and cool colors to indicate light and shadow.
My suggestion would be to do painting (not drawing) studies of photos with different lighting. Studying from photos is great because the hard work of achieving good color has already been done for you by nature. All you have to do is observe.
Watch this video and follow his advice!
No. 1452008
>>1451972pc98 art is gorgeous but a large portion of the games are hentai or just werid. If that doesn't bother you, here are a few resources.
https://www.myabandonware.com/browse/platform/pc98/https://archive.org/details/PC98GAMELIBRARYhttps://www.pc98.org/main.htmlhttps://pc98central.com/PC-98_Scanned_Manual_List.htmlhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pc98/comments/jafuvp/is_there_a_database_of_pc98_games/Here are some resources if you'd like to play the games or just get images. Search the ones you like specifically and youll find more. I recommend playing through some as many have guides and aren't too hard. You'll get the best art and can make screencaps this way.
GL Nona.
No. 1452014
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>>1452001Unrelated, but seething /ic/ moids trying to redefine pajeetry or shilling for pajeetry as "female behavior" will never not be funny. You don't even need to write an algorithm to predict when an upset front pole is going to project onto mommy, you just know it's guaranteed to happen.
Also ngl, watching male artstation fags (who, like all moids, no doubt unknowingly fap at revenge porn or CP in their pornhub coom sessions or even directly reference it for their pleb pinups) screeching "I DO NOT CONSENT! THIEVERY! DELET THIS! EXPECT LOLSUIT" is giving me a hearty kek.
No. 1452085
>>1452059the problem is those arent actual signatures, they're random scribbles approximated because it doesn't know what it's even doing, just that having writing in the image is what the model prescribes. all of it is random shit guided by someone's prompts and whatever model it's running on.
>you can find actually identifiable, pixel to pixel copypasted regions in some AI worki've never seen this, link? though i have seen AI "artists" do this on their own to try and improve their deformed generated pics or try to "fix" real art with it using inpainting etc, the AI doesn't do it automatically
No. 1452156
>>1452152Lmao thank you
nonnie, the power of being a poorfag!!!
No. 1452189
>>1452085They are signatures and those mangled writings resembling Alamy and Getty logos are in fact Alamy and Getty logos. It only looks "very approximated" because it's being photobashed from a million images simultaneously instead of 5-10. The sheer amount of data that's being stolen from is what creates the impression of learning and reinterpreting, but it's not what's happening at all.
>>1452133>>1452148Have you tried proper vector graphics nona? It's a lot more mouse friendly.
No. 1452326
>>1452156>>1452148Of course your lineart sucks, you're using a mouse. Invest in a cheap tablet, you can get one for less tha $50 these days. Not only are you damaging your wrists, you are making things unnecessarily harder for yourself. It's not something honorable, it's just stupid.
If you can't afford a tablet, draw traditionally with a pen to practice inking.
No. 1453001
>>1452326ay dios mio i'm not trying to be honorable I just can't afford it right now and was hoping there would be some good tips. in art you always hear it's not what you have but how you use it so I didn't want to make excuses
>>1452261still interesting and good to know! thank you for the advice
No. 1453382
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>>1451972https://twitter.com/PC98_bothttps://jazzisthebestformofmusic.tumblr.com/https://956745.tumblr.com/https://pc98backgrounds.tumblr.com/There are also large collections on e-hentai, so if you find one you really like i recommend searching it there to find the rest of the game CGs. There are also a bunch of ps1 VNs with the same style.
No. 1454617
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No. 1454661
>>1454617Nice pedo bait art dumbass
Doesn't change the fact you can't draw a stickman KEK
No. 1455598
>>1449799The fact you approve of AI because it will replace artist you personally disapprove of is concerning, specially your glee over dating sim artists losing their jobs because their art goes against your radfem ideology or something (most of the artists for this kind of shit are women).
Everyone deserves to be rewarded for their years of training no matter if you find it generic shit like sakimichan or wlop. AI is going after concept artists too, not just anime and coom, just anything that is very trendy and sells and thus there are many artists posting those genres of works online that the AI can steal from. If we all move on to do something else the AI will start to learn how to replicate that "else".
Again AI is only great at generic concept art, rendered gravure anime and semirealism because this is what plagues the internet the most, so it has more data to borrow from.
No. 1456955
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huh
No. 1457152
>>1456955Yeah except this corporate blob art is not considered art by anyone and has been widely derided for years. Also it's vectors, not paintings, generally used for website design and scalable ads; nobody thinks it's art including the people who made it.
And the ai art is sourced from real skilled working artists (muh trending on artstation) creating concepts on commission.
So they are both commissions but for different purposes and clientele.
The wierdest thing how ai bros shit themselves over remixed art while deriding the artists who painted it, reminds me of how moids shit on women despite desperately wanting a woman to love them kek. I'm pretty sure the venn diagram of ai bros shitting on artists and men who say women are all hoes who hit the wall at 30 is a circle
No. 1457989
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I have been using a Wacom tablet for almost 10 years now and I don't know if I can justify sinking £1000 + into an ipad pro. Does anyone know if its worth buying? From what I can tell they've kind of cornered the market but at the same time… 1k?? Ahhh
No. 1458087
>>1457989The iPad is portable in a way my tablet isn’t. I use procreate in place of photoshop and Manga studio 5. If you’re willing to adapt and work around the tools and play with brushes procreate isn’t bad. There’s another one I forget the name of that functions like a free SAI on the iPad too.
It’s not exceptionally good. Unless you have a reason to change I wouldn’t get it unless you can use it for more than just drawing and have other reasons.
No. 1458238
>>1458053The Wacom is broken.
>>1458087Thanks for the suggestions, I'll watch some tutorials today and see if it looks useful. Probability is a huge pro too.
No. 1458277
>>1457989Can you try it in the mall?
I went to a mall yestrtday and admittedly i enjoyed Samsung tablets pencil feel a lot more than iPad. The hype around iPads makes me feel as if I am guilty and SHOULD know that somehow they are better than iPad. Samsung also had CSP installed there whilist with iPad i had to try their ProCreate app the interface of which i didnt like too much. Maybe theres something wrong with me idk.
No. 1458889
>>1458557Do you have an image in your head that you want to get good enough to draw?
I have a whole list of ideas of how I want to draw my husbandos and it's just a matter of getting good enough to do them justice.
No. 1458946
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nonnies what is the best resource to learn how to draw muslces? i want to draw hajime no ippo yaoi
No. 1458957
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>>1458955miyata and ippo or ippo and takamura. I would like to draw pov femdom too, since there isnt much of it.
No. 1458967
>>1458946Search up how to or artbook with muscle on e-hentai, there's a lot of books.
Also Anatomy for Sculptors or just looking at real life reference.
No. 1458969
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>>1458957Good taste anon. May I suggest ippo + alexander and ippo+ Sendo? May I ask for you to grace my eyes at some point with these?
No. 1460229
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Are people really getting suicidal over AI art ?
No. 1460336
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I've no experience with taking commissions, but does anyone know if there is something like skeb, a commission platform, or a good place to start taking requests?
Would love to maybe take a couple of requests when I can't think of what to draw myself.
No. 1460360
>>1460349totally forgot that fiverr exists, thanks.
I'll see if I can find someone on there with a similar skill level/style to compare pricings and such
No. 1460506
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>>1460229Silly artists, no average joe would subject themselves to adjusting art for CMYK printers, mass ordering prints, mass ordering acrylic charms, and regularly going to the post office to send out mail just because their computer did a third of the work for them.
No. 1460775
>>1460297That's just wrong, a lot of basic gamedev assets are already able to be AI generated so anyone who does that is soon to be out of a job because we all know that indies will say it's too expensive and big companies will love the lack of money they need to spend on artists.
The average artist is going to have to rely on people just really wanting art of their OCs for the most part. Normies don't care if something is AI or not.
No. 1460926
>>1460775Games don't use low-res 2D illustrations. Even the most basic baby's first visual novel will need scalable assets with transparency and different layers.
As someone who's in the indie game scene, I can tell you the only AI-generated indie games I've seen so far are the ugliest, clunkiest coomer visual novels that no one will actually buy, or games that switch to commissioning a real artist mid-development because the AI assets aren't actually scalable/technically usable.
Literally the only job AI could replace in gamedev is concept artists. That's a tiny portion of what game artists can go into and it's been oversatured for years anyway.
That's not even considering AI art can't be copyrighted. No studio would want to use assets anyone else can take and use freely.
No. 1461102
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How do i stop caring about how much attention and likes i get on my drawings? I'm a hobbyist so that shouldn't matter but i still can't stop obsessing over numbers, i'm in need of constant validation because of my low self esteem. I genuinely can't stop, the moment i see that the art i posted got no attention i get so sad and frustrated and i feel like i'm not achieving anything. Some nonna here more mature than me send help i just wanna not care.
No. 1461107
>>1461102something that has helped me is movimg away from traditional artist social media platforms like ig, because i felt like a failure for not leaning more into the social side of things. i now only post my art online in one place, this really niche forum where I have my own art thread– that way, some people are still able to see my work and comment on it which always feels nice, but I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that it's usually only me seeing it. that way I can focus more on improving.
it's really hard not to hyperfixate on the amount of attention your art is getting, I know the struggle too well, but social media definitely is a large part of the problem. but good luck
nonny I believe in you!!
No. 1461146
>>1461102It’s not just you
nonny, I think every artists, hobbyist or not, get fixated on the numbers. I generally don’t find myself caring for numbers but once and a while I’ll catch myself obsessing over it. I blame the format of websites conditioning us to obsess over the “success” of our works
No. 1461260
>>1461107>>1461111>social media definitely is a large part of the problemI agree with this, i think social media is frying my brain, maybe a break can help me calm down.
Thanks for the advice nonna ill see what i can do, good luck with anything you want to achieve in 2023 aswell!
>>1461146I think the internet would be better if likes and number of views weren't public on social media.
No. 1463570
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Sorry for the animu but I'd like a bit of critique on my work? I'm trying to get better at drawing anime/cartoonishly. This was just a practice sketch that I did in pencil so I won't post it anywhere else
Sorry for the weird crop/low-res I took this on my crappy old phone kek
No. 1463579
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>>1462026Hell Osamu Tezuka would just throw himself into his comics.
No. 1463582
>>1463570I like the shading on the face. There's not really any singular anime style so it depends on what you're going for, but the proportions seem a bit off. In my opinion, the head should be a bit broader and the face and nose a little less long, so that the eyes are closer to the tip of the nose.
Then you have a typical anime boy but like the other anon said, if your aim is to get better at drawing in general/anything else, anime won't help your progress much.
No. 1463585
>>1463580So should everyone just not draw cartoons? It's not just about "drawing from real life". I don't mean to be defensive or anything I just wanted to try practicing a different art style
>>1463582Thanks for the feedback. It's supposed to be Light Yagami from Death Note. I probably should've mentioned that in the original post
No. 1463717
>>1463570The light source isn't super clear to me and doesn't feel like it's properly showing form. I would use reference even for stylized things.
The nose seems a touch long
No. 1463745
So Twisted Disaster made a summary video of how 2022 was for her.
>Lots of Family emergencies. Her father needed surgery for appendicitis that had complications.
>Pissed off at hospital for not telling her and her family sooner about what was wrong with her father for 4-12 hours.
>Father in law had a stroke, heart attack, a blood clot found in his brain, brain aneurysm, Covid, and RSV. Almost died but thankfully survived and is in physical therapy
>Again pissed off at hospital for not operating on him sooner and her and her a husband got a night nurse fired who supposedly neglected her father-in-law during the night who refused to clean his poop-filled mess (he's special needs) She says she has video footage of this but can't post it.
>One of her in-laws relatives passed away from a heart attack and the hospital was responsible for it for not seeing him sooner (her words)
>Mentions her breast cancer scare that she mentioned in a previous video (and does this in the most annoying way)
> Says she caught Covid twice. Also got a few colds (I feel like her being a borderline hermit has really weakened her immune system, she gets sick a lot it.)
>Went and visited her friends during summer (even though she admitted that it wasn't the best decision financially though she said that in a stream)
>Is upset that her YouTube views have been low and that she has been making next to no income from YT adsense and how it has killed her motivation to upload content.
>Mentions how she's annoyed that people say she complains about money troubles a lot and she says that she makes "decent" enough money (Which if that were true, she wouldn't be complaining then now would she? I feel like she's in denial of her financial situation…)
>Complains about how annoyed she feels that the only way her videos will get views is if she talks about dark subject matter and/or drama, clickbait, or uploading daily to get views (You don't have to upload every single day, most art YouTubers don't do that and still manage to be okay)
>Thinks there's a conspiracy against her that every time she hits 50k subscribers, they magically disappear. (I don't know much about YouTube technicalities but I feel like maybe she's losing subs because she barely uploads content.)
>She keeps reiterating and having to remind the viewer that it's not just her having these YouTube problems (The only friends I'm aware of hers are Holly Brown and Starheavenly and both of them have been largely inactive so I mean…. What do you expect?) Says it's "a lot" of YouTubers she follows are complaining about this stuff and I'm confused as to who these "lot" are.
>Pretty much says she's gonna be posting to Twitch more because she feels she gets more views and subs there instead of YouTube (I have thoughts on this…)
>Feels the need to say that YouTube is not notifying people when she uploads (I can't help but feel this is bullshit, all of the people I'm subbed to I get notifications for so what BS is she on abut?)
>Has plans to continue YouTube but just not a lot. Again upset that YT views/subs have been low yet on Twitch, Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram have been better for her.
>The whole time through the video you get to see her art drawing process as per usual and see her whack ass way of drawing faces.
No. 1463746
>>1463745I don't wanna come down too hard on her, I totally understand her frustration towards the hospital situations since those kind of circumstances are truly awful to go through, especially when it's family.
But one thing I hate about how she explains awful circumstances like when she was talking about her breast cancer scare is how she stupidly makes it out like it's quirky to not want to have things like breast cancer or negative hospital-related situations. Like bitch stop, no woman wants to have breast cancer, no person wants to have a loved one in the hospital. She just does this a lot and it's so fucking retarded and I get that she's more than likely trying to be "UWU sarcastic" but she overdoes it and it becomes more obnoxious than endearing.
Her complaints about YouTube, I don't get how she doesn't see that the reason why her channel's viewership has been down is because she hasn't been active. And the videos she does put out, she doesn't edit the audio leaving long pauses in between sections and she goes on tangents. Couple that with her art which is still of subpar mediocrity and of course people are not gonna want to watch that.
And finally her proclaiming that places like TikTok and Twitter being better for her, I honestly feel it's because she's trying to target teenagers and baby 20s young adults who won't call out how awful her art looks and will fawn over her stuff because they don't have much art skills and may have low self-esteem. On YouTube, the platform is not as popular with kids today and most people who use it are those in their late 20s and into their 30s-40s and up. Her skill level at her age is just subpar at best and it'd be understandable if she had to work a 9 to 5 but she doesn't, she has time to practice but she's just simply too lazy to do it. All this to say, I'm not surprised she's having more success on TikTok in terms of views since it has a younger userbase but with that comes not being able to get much commission work because a lot of these kids are still in high school or starting college and don't have much money to spend on commissions.
Anyway long post is long, sorry about that. I just find TD fascinating with how she does and doesn't possess self awareness.
No. 1463748
>>1463570This is pretty good anon but like
>>1463580 mentioned, learning fundamentals can definitely help. But personally I think it looks pretty good and the only criticism I have is that the nose looks a bit too long so maybe next time, try shortening the distance a bit.
No. 1463776
>>1463762In general something I've been doing:
daily: drawabox warmup exercises (with lines and ovals), 30-60s gesture sketches for fullbody poses; 30 minutes total
weekly: quick movie stills / google street view study (1-2h max per study)
monthly: one master study (though I will admit I rarely finished any since I tend to be busy with my own work lol)
No. 1463834
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>>1463579gonna post this every time tezuka gets mentioned
No. 1464074
>>1463570There aren't enough midtones in the shading, and the placement of the shadows is off. There's not enough shading around the eyes and forehead, for example. It kinda looks like he has a beard until you enlarge the image because of the way you shaded the face.
The face is off, it's too narrow and the nose is too long, and the eyes are too flat. Like everyone else said, do studies of actual people so you get a better understanding of anatomy and shading.
>>1463762Drawabox is great, it's a series of exercises so you can do one a day. If you prefer something a bit less structured there are a ton of drawing prompt lists online, or old books with exercises on perspective and composition that you might find a bit less prescriptive than drawabox.
I like
>>1463776 's suggestion for weekly and monthly drawings.
If you're just starting out, maybe pick one thing to work on per week, like perspectives or foreshortening. You could also focus on things like shading techniques, or art styles.
Honestly, as long as you draw, it doesn't matter whether you stick to a schedule or a certain exercise.
No. 1464193
>>1464187you got owned
nonnie, you should be shitting and crying over it
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No. 1464237
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>>1464221>Hurr durr we were only pretending to like your drawing!!!!11!I guess this means collage artists and photobashing isn't art either? KEK keep coping artfag, it's not like you read the ToS of whatever shitty platform you use
>>1464235>REEEE EVERYONE WHO UPSETS ME IS A SCROTE!!!1!1 No. 1464238
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how do i learn how to draw pretty clothes coords? i dont leave my room so i mostly just wear old anime shirts and shorts. I cant copy cords i like from magazines, but i would like to be able to just make and design my own.
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>>1464238also does anyone know of more artists who have a heavy focos on clothings?
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>>1464246do you have any recs? i only know of fruits but its probably not the best source to learn how to make decent clothes cords, kek
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>>1464243>loliconMaking things up now? It's time to return to reality paintpig, AI art is the future
No. 1464262
>>1464251It would be nice as well to search for different outfits that you would like to see your characters wearing.
Something else that's nice to think about is of what would you do in different places and scenarios.
So, you wouldn't wear something like a short sleeveless dress during a snowstorm, you would probably want to wear something warm, then you can search for "warm clothes" or "winter clothes" and try to mix and match the things that you like, even if the patterns don't match or the silhouette feels awkward, you can always experiment a lot with fashion in drawings because even just your art style can change the way an outfit looks and what it expresses to the viewer.
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>>1464262thanks!! i really appreaciate artists who take time to draw really cute clothes, specially when it ties it together with the worldbuilding(think ZUN touhou designs). Also i wish there was a page that scanned fashion magazines and sorted them out by decades/trends
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>>1464142I'll make sure to check her out, thks anon!
No. 1464288
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So, r/Art is now banning artists whose styles are "too similar to AI art". I can't see this going wrong at all.
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>>1464288I stumbled across this linked on a tweet from a friend. Wild
No. 1464306
>>1464288This was bound to happen, I guess since now all digital art can be considered suspicious, traditional art will need to have things like the tools in the middle of the drawing/painting in order to make sure it's real and not AI.
That's assuming AI can't replicate realistically something like pencils or erasers on a drawing that's supposedly traditional art.
It's kind of shitty how something that could be useful for people to create interesting things, is being seen as something that "will take over the world" or that "it's better than any artist" like, isn't the idea of art just doing something that you want to do because you like it? If I wanted to draw a flying pig that's throwing up eyes in the middle of a daycare full of dying adult babies that are puking and shitting everywhere, I should be able to do so and nobody should tell me that it's a shitty idea because it's my idea and I wanted to post it so everyone could look at my flying pig throwing up eyes on a daycare full of dying adult babies puking and shitting everywhere.
So why is everyone freaking out? Or making it seem like AI will overthrow humanity? The anon trying to "prove" everyone that AI is better is just being retarded, like great? AI can make things look realistic, but that literally doesn't even matter.
No. 1464352
>>1464325No, they are larping as it to make the actual artist feel bad while trying to sell his agenda. Hence the concern trolling and pulling some genuinely manipulative shit.
>I'm going to pretend there's totally no difference between your art and AI trash at all>actually I'm going to accuse YOU of being the AIfag and reject the fact that you provided clear evidence against using AI>no one is going to believe you!!>I'm also gonna close the thread to make sure no one can disagree >the AI is totally better than you, that's just how it isYeah no, this is a delusional AIfag trying to cope with his jealousy, 10000 prompts of cripple hands and wonky rendering and using some olympic levels of mental games.
No. 1464374
>>1463745>37:18 I don't want to put in a blog that I'm like crying all the time or that I'm stressed out. Or that I Was sleeping in or that my workload was getting behind because I was so stressed with life stuff but that I couldn't take a break cuz I live in a CAPITALIST society where I have to make money or DIE.I find it hard to completely sympathize with her here because as someone who does tune into her twitch streams from time to time, she tends to take a lot of "quick commissions" or "emergency commissions". And the "quick" ones, she doesn't even finish "quickly" anyway. She only has herself to blame for continuing to take new commissions when she hasn't finished a lot of the previous ones on her backlog.
She doesn't say how far behind she is but she says this a lot and that queue has gotta be gigantic if she feels the need to complain about it frequently. If anything though, to any of you artists here who are aspiring to do art full-time, learn from this woman's mistake and don't take on more than you can handle otherwise you'll end up in a mental panic like she is.
No. 1464428
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Anons how do you manage to pick and choose and develop any kind of projects you want to do? i have like 50 ideas and i don't know where to start, should i start with the easiest? with the longest project? the shortest? should i decide at random? i'd like to make all different kinds of media so i can't give an specific answer to "but what are you planning to make?"
No. 1464433
>>1464428Pick the one you have more fleshed out, if it's something that has a beginning and core points, it shouldn't take you too long to develop and reach an ending.
I feel like beginnings are hard to make, so don't start with something that you don't really have a beginning to start with because you will stare at the screen/paper/camera for days before you get an idea that you truly like.
No. 1464437
>>1464008I think that's what makes Metropolis hit so much harder if you're familiar with Tezuka's universe. It feels like watching your favorite stars make a massive comeback in a magnum opus.
>>1464238Why can't you copy? Just draw it, add your own twist to it. As you draw the outfits you like, you'll learn to understand the concepts and constructions about what makes up a good style that you like. That's how you learn. Follow
>>1464246 's advice. There's a wealth of knowledge out there. For example, when I was terrible at men's modern styles, I'd study GQ magazines when I went to my hairdresser, and go to websites of brands I liked that I saw there.
Pinterest is an easy start and will lead you to the names of brands, styles, and designers. Also, look up fashion history. I used to go to the library and buy old fashion books to study. A lot of those are now on the internet, either as scans or for sale on auction sites. You've got lots of options, nonna.
No. 1464453
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>>1464288I followed the saga, and I'm pretty sure this is a vendetta by the person who initiated the ban, especially given the number of people who tried to defend the artist getting banned, too.
The craziest part is that it's from a book series that is older that's gone on longer than SD and Midjourney.
The mod came to his twitter account to "defend himself" and all of the arguments he tries to make makes it clear he knows fuckall about how rendering can work.
In this case, the swirls don't look anything like AI shit; they follow the flow of the actual object and the artist even cites where they learned the technique from. Thread here, with the responding mod, complete with little anime girls all over his profile:
https://twitter.com/Love_Ahriman/status/1608564257070919681Apparently these levels of bans from know-nothing mods are common in r/Art, they just have a new excuse to shove it under.
The saddest part is that BenMoran's work is likely included in the imagesets when AIds prompt anything Artstation-related.
>>1464352Check his likes. You might be onto something.
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>>1464453He's soooo jealous kek
No. 1464499
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>>1464439>MUH AI CANT DRAW HANDS!!!1! CHECKMATERINOOOOOWhen your only cope is that AI can't draw hands, wait a few months drawslave kek
No. 1464514
>>1464433i have a couple simple/short ideas that i already know both the beginning and the end
Thank you anon!
No. 1464517
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>>1464505It looks like shit because you can't do any better. Look at what AI can do, it's time to stop pushing buttons, put down the tablet and pick up a canvas and paintbrush like ReAL aRtiSts did only decades ago
No. 1464527
>>1464521Most people, hell even most artists, are shit at drawing hands. Still doesn't refute my point. A large percentage of the hate that AI gets is out of jealousy, that's why their most common critiques are
>THERES NO SOUL!!!>THERES NO INTENTION!!!!>LMAOOOJSHSUEU IT CANT DRAW HANDS/FEET!!!!How do you measure soul/intention in an artwork? They're inputting their own biases because they know it's a computer and not a human, but clearly there's no standard involved if this
>>1463570 managed to go undetected.
And hands/feet is a shitty argument anyway considering that AI is constantly improving, it won't be that way forever…
No. 1464532
>>1464527Not even an artfag but you’re insufferable. AI will never heave the soul, sweat, tears, effort+ a human puts in. How do you even think ai got as “good” as you think it is? By learning from HUMANS. Yea it’s good work for a computer but it’ll never compare to being able to do it with hands and heart. Learning techniques and evolving as human is not comparable to a computer. Can a computer paint or draw like actually? Find me an ai to paint the Sistine chapel then maybe your argument can be
valid. If you can’t implement in a physical form what’s the point? So can’t even print out it’s own work and post it somewhere a human would have to do that- again maybe when that happens you can have a decent argument
No. 1464536
>>1464508>>1464499Are you getting paid for this? This isn't 4chan, your samefagging and Y chromosome is very obvious even if you mix a "
nonnie" in the sentence.
No. 1464539
>>1464532>SOUL!!!111!!>SWEAT!!!1!1!1!>BLOOD & TEARS!1!1!1!!!Yeah ok kek
>>1464533>doesn't even know how to greentextCope newfag
>>1464534I guess you missed the part where I said
>When your only cope is that AI can't draw hands, wait a few monthsBut keep seething, your tears are delicious
No. 1464540
>>1464536>This isn't 4chan!!1!1!!Lolcow was literally founded by 4channers, get with the program newfag
And someone being interested in technology doesn't make them XY, you misogynist scrote.
No. 1464552
>>1464539Why are you caping doing hard for a robot that humans created? It couldn’t have done that on its own, anyway. You have nothing other than
>blood, sweat, and brains are uselessWe get it, but you should be posting in the unpopular opinions thread because no one agrees with you. Especially in the fucking art thread.
No. 1464554
>>1464551It tastes delicious, you should try it sometime.
>>1464552>a robot that humans created>It couldn't have done that on its ownSo what makes AI art different from "human"-made art?
No. 1464579
>>1464517It's nice and all but it still needs to be fixed in some places.
I've used AI generators and I've illustrated my own ideas and the AI generators just aren't fulfilling. I'm sure it's more enjoyable if you lack any ability to create anything on your own, but am I the only one who just finds the whole process frustrating or empty? Like I get bored with it quickly.
It's like how AI Dungeon does a poor job of integrating your responses and often does what it wants anyway. It's fun for the novelty but if I'm going to play a text-based game I'd rather just play Zork.
No. 1464591
>>1464579>needs to be fixed in some placesEveryone's entitled to their own opinion, just state the reasoning for yours.
>I've illustrated my own ideas and the AI generators just aren't fulfilling>it's more enjoyable if you lack any ability to create anything on your ownNice passive aggression. Anyway, maybe the reason you don't find it fulfilling is because you lack the creativity to devise new and interesting prompts despite what all of your shit-eating pretentiousness might suggest. What kind of artist is that? Probably not a good one. Of course everyone will get bored at some point as they run out of ideas, but it's not like you
have to brute-force as many inputs into the AI at one time as possible.
>AI DungeonWell there's your problem. If you're not using DALL-E, MJ, or SD then you're doing it wrong.
No. 1464600
>>1464591Tip of the nose, teeth and inside of mouth, ears, neckband, hair piece that looks like it's a flap of skin
The rest of your comment looks annoying so I don't feel like reading or responding to it
No. 1464609
>>1464600>teeth and inside of mouth??? Where are you seeing any of that in
>>1464517? Your critique doesn't even apply to the picture you're looking at, are you blind?
And everything else you said is minor or dubious, and shows your lack of experience studying real life non-European features (not that every Black woman looks like the pic, but her features are pretty consistent with someone of mostly W. African ancestry)
>The rest of your comment looks annoyingJust admit that you're a shit artist who doesn't know what they're talking about and you're nitpicking the AI out of pure sneed
No. 1464622
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>>1464612This right here. Instead let's laugh at shitty artists on twitter and tumblr
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>>1464437>It feels like watching your favorite stars make a massive comeback in a magnum opus.YEAH! I was trying to figure out the feeling I got from them and you nailed it perfectly. It reminds me also of old film directors who would use the same cast of actors. It's such a cozy, fun feeling.
No. 1464870
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Does anyone have any good starting places for someone who wants to get into pixel art? I draw digital art regularly but want to try something a little different, so any tried and trusted tips or tutorials from nonnas would be very appreciated.
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Am I the only one that thinks Hyanna Natsu's art has not improved in years? Her anatomy has barely improved, and it feels like the only thing she's learned in these years has been lighting.
No. 1465265
>>1464922by "a significant portion" do you mean the imaginary people you've made up in your head?
i agree with the other anon; i've literally never seen a digital artist claim their work was superior to traditional art; it's always traditional artists shitting on digital. maybe stop following 15 year-olds on twitter and you'll see a different perspective?
No. 1465385
>>1465346>>1465377fun fact, i just searched "digital better than traditional art" and exactly one article in the top 30 makes that claim; meanwhile specifying websites like reddit, deviantart, and twitter all include discussions primarily elevating traditional art over digital, or artists simply saying they
personally prefer digital art or saying it's more convenient.
nowhere am i seeing a "significant portion" of artists online making the claims you're stating here so maybe you're full of shit? perhaps consider that possibility. i'm sure a handful of people in your lifetime have made those claims in your presence but please stop pretending there are all these digital art shills who come flying down from the rafters like AI bros the moment someone picks up a pencil.
No. 1465809
>>1464905>>1464908In my decade+ of watching digital vs trad, I realize both who bash either medium group completely are horrifically mediocre at their craft. We're talking about the ones who are in love with being an artist and not the process of creation itself.
The dissenters on both ends make an extra effort to embrace their chosen craft and treat it like a tribe because they know trying something different in any direction is above their potential. It exposes their truth too much. They're already insecure enough as it is about their chosen medium, so of course they latch onto this idea even further.
It's why they put so much emphasis on what tool they used alongside longwinded descriptions of their process (which comes off more like a breakdown of emotions than a reflection of the technical).
I hate to be this person, but artists who are into the process of creation are not the ones worried about AI. Seriously: Every professional artist I've met was always fascinated with new things. They were skeptical about crutches, but open-minded because it was part of their own success. Most of my own issues with AI come from people who barely know what they're talking about invading our spaces instead of sticking to their own side, or even trying to establish actual collaborative spaces (which would take someone more familiar with art to consider, not a LARPer). They also don't bother to empathize with living artists whose names exist as a prompt, unauthorized.
Considering how they carry their arguments ("You don't have to spend hours drawing!"), I would not be surprised if the AIfags are from either of those aforementioned groups who latched on after trying to force themselves into a title they were never destined for. Little do they know how fast a trend whose style everyone has access to can oversaturate a market.
No. 1465831
>>1465809>I hate to be this person, but artists who are into the process of creation are not the ones worried about AI. Seriously: Every professional artist I've met was always fascinated with new things. They were skeptical about crutches, but open-minded because it was part of their own succesAgreed. In my experience, it's rarely actual creatives raging about the existence of AI. People who actually have a vision (not just ego) recognize it for what it is.
All the obnoxious techbro AIfags who insist this is "replacing" artists, and the twt "artists" who agree and have weird emotional meltdowns are two sides of the same annoying, loud coin. Neither even seem to understand how the other works, it's polluted discussions both here and on other sites.
>Considering how they carry their arguments ("You don't have to spend hours drawing!"), I would not be surprised if the AIfags are from either of those aforementioned groups who latched on after trying to force themselves into a title they were never destined for. Little do they know how fast a trend whose style everyone has access to can oversaturate a market.That makes perfect sense.
No. 1466599
>>1466437NTA but I pointed this out already in my post:
>They also don't bother to empathize with living artists whose names exist as a prompt, unauthorized.Some of those artists came out not being against the tech, but being against the scraping and unauthorized use, only for the AItards to double down and show how little they understand the implications of what they're doing.
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>>1464579the AI can only make uncreative stuff that honestly shouldnt take more than a few years for a normal person above room temperature IQ to master like pretty girls in empty backgrouns and splotches of paint which kinda resemble generic concept art backgound. The AI will never be able to draw genuinely interesting art like dynamic poses or backgrounds in extreme perspectives, also their color choices are so shit. I think people who use art even when they are artists are either creatively bankrup or arent as good artists as they think. Honestly if i knew an artist i like was using AI i would lose respect for them, it's really pathetic behaviour for weak minded people.
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>>1466955Sure, sadly it's total trash and can literally only draw anime girls standing straight. It definitely can't do anything else even if you tell it to. But meanwhile artists doing nothing but drawing portraits of pretty girls or sonic fanart are the true creative geniuses. Generally when people say AI will never be able to do something, it's either already possible or will be in like 2 weeks
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>>1467050Sure, but the fact is that picrel is just a few months of progress. The tech is still new and most people already can't draw like this and aren't particularly creative either. AI isn't perfect now, sure it messes up hands and other details a lot (which are not hard to correct) but it's just starting to get good and already surpasses the vast majority of people, and that includes making something that I haven't seen millions of times already.
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>>1467145If that makes you feel better. Is picrel supposed to be full of soul in comparison or something?
No. 1467654
>>1467490Id' prefer for art threads to be semi-dead than filled with AI discourse
seriously everywhere you go all is talked about is AI, it can make pictures I guess but it can't create fun drama
No. 1467694
>>1467490Like with
>>1467654 I want relevant content again, not hyperactive spam. I use AI in some of my workflow, but the majority of the conversations get hijacked by incendiaries who have no interest in the construction and ideation process, yet insist on occupying these spaces with the only other contribution is going off on how salty they are at artists while completely ignoring the fact that, outside of OpenAI's efforts, most AI supporters have been largely hostile towards a group that, without them, they would only be pumping out noise and fractals because they somehow believe art is 'undemocratic,' whatever that's supposed to imply.
I don't mind discussing AI as part of an existing workflow, listening to another artist's lament or curiosity about it, or talking about things like the drama around BenMoran's work because that's more about a Reddit vendetta than it is AI; but it looks like we can't have that conversation right now without a no-draw evangelist popping up whose only contribution to the conversation is not only showing off how hard they can swerve out of a lane, but crashing right into a wall and screaming out of their burning car with their that we're the ones about to die. I'd rather do without that spam for the sake of "activity" and just have a containment thread for their "Wall-Eyed Girl by Ilya Trending On Artstation Masterpiece 8K."
No. 1467709
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Nonnies, what are good materials/brushes I can buy with clippys on CSP?
No. 1467764
>>1467709What style of assets are you aiming for?
I mostly spend my clippys on 3D assets, deco materials, and auto-actions. The best brushes I've found (for myself) were always free, so I've tipped.
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I really don't get the big deal, AI art is just gonna make the animation process cheaper and easier to produce. You will still have the same people producing the cartoons, AI animation will still require people who have the skill to do actual animations who know how to edit and correct it so that it looks pleasant to the eye. This means that animation of actual quality is still locked behind people with skill, Companies will simply be replacing Korean in frame animators to save money for themselves, and you may have a few people who aren't animators attempting to make animation using just AI that gets ignored or make something half way decent like vidrel(
https://youtu.be/IHnRs3g8EmE). This isn't the first time animation has had instances of the process being made easier and cheaper and it won't be the last
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>>1467845people said the same thing about CGI and pc animation and the quality of animation movies and cartoons got worse. Studios are cheap, if you think they are going to focus on quality instead of quantity you are a retard.
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>>1467709Depends on what you're looking for. I recently downloaded picrel and I'm really liking it as blending brush, it gives some nice textures
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1771155 No. 1468073
>>1467845>AI animation will still require people who have the skill to do actual animations who know how to edit and correct it so that it looks pleasant to the eyeVery good point.
Why do artfags worry so much about AI anyway? AI just means that mediocre artists and unimaginative "creators" will be weeded out. Who cares if generic animu artists and furfags can't receive commissions anymore? Maybe it'll even drive more people into studying analogue art instead. This should be a net positive for the art community. All of this dooming is uncalled for.
No. 1468134
>>1468117Moreover, art as a career is notoriously capricious. Anyone who is willing to make their living as an artist must recognize this fact. I'm not saying this as some
>HURR DURR GOTCHAbut that has always been the reality of art as a career—this is not something new or particular to the 21st century. No protestation will change that an artist's career is unstable at best. Only unless you are well-known, or create high art, can you feel comfortable in your decision; but you should not expect to be able to make a living off of doing art. If those people losing their careers to AI cannot learn how to innovate or adapt their artistry, then they are one of the 'mediocre artists' about whom I was speaking.
No. 1468142
>>1468106legit retard opinion, that type of job is going to be outsourced to thirdworlders who are going to get exploited.
>>1468117stop being a bootlicker, those artists dont deserve to get their art stolen to build an AI that steals their job just because you think you are a snob. A bunch or artists start as furry/anime artists to pay to get better equipment.
>>1468134who dictates high art? friendly reminder that this a banana was sold for 120k usd. Again, you are letting your hatred towards artists who you see as unworthy(would love to see your art btw there are a bunch of furfag with top tier art skills) just because you personally dislike them. No one deserves to lose job opportunities because some rich retards found a way to make profit off stolen artwork.
No. 1468155
>>1467934Even if the creator who made that video ended up being a lolcow herself, i still can't help but find the commentary funny.
Speaking of which, how do y'all feel about Holly potentially coming back? I'm seeing some videos about how people missed her content and how she was unfairly "cancelled".
Personally I'm "meh" and i thin she was being a little dramatic thinking she got cancelled. She would've been fine if she kept making videos and people would've moved on from the tracing thing. If anything it was her art advice that wasn't all that helpful
No. 1468161
>>1468142>banana taped to a wallOkay, say it is high art. How does that negate
>art as a career is notoriously capricious>well-knownWhat is the name of the artist who taped a banana to a wall?
And why are you defending furries and DeviantArt-tier fartists so hard? Are you one of them? Kek
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The original point I was trying to make, that AI art won't be replacing anyone really, AI Art will just be used as a tool for animators to save time and produce work quicker is fine. it will make indie projects easier. Flash, then Source Film Maker revolutionized online animation. This is just the next step
No. 1468180
>>1468151you are a mediocre person, you acknowledge that companies dont give a shit and will outsource jobs to exploit people like you yet still defended? you deserve the 5 cents they pay you
>>1468161>And why are you defending furries and DeviantArt-tier fartists so hard? Are you one of them? Kekunlike you i can see beyond superficial level, i dont care if they are furfags and coomers they still deserve to have a chance at living off art
>>1468165yes, i fucking know. But that's exactly the people that are ''allowed'' to make money according to that anon.
No. 1468198
>>1468176Wasn't trying to detract from your original point (I agree with it), my own point was just tangentially related to yours.
>>1468180>superficial levelWell that's too bad. Art is about aesthetics, not mediocrity. If you don't like pretentious people like me telling you what is good art vs. mediocre art, then why do you act the same toward AI art?
>deserve to have a chance at living off artYou sound very young
almost too young, so I'm telling you right now that this is not how the world works. No one deserves anything, especially in a hyper-competitive market like art. You must be realistic about your options for earning a living. Unless you come from a wealthy family, don't be so confident in your abilities that you think you'll be able to have a cushy life. You either sink or float.
>>1468182Kek
No. 1468199
>>1468180Extreme projection. You fear losing your job to AI because you are actually mediocre and offer nothing by way of creativity. If some random poor person can do what you do easily, you weren't making a huge contribution. In the first place, all real artists can create and evolve regardless of what new tools appear, and nothing is restricted to corporations' use.
>you deserve the 5 cents they pay youHere comes the xenophobia. Imagine being born in the first world, opportunities broad, and still being this much of a loser (and a sore one at that), kek. Hurry and go draw some vore pregnancy/inflation porn of someone's fursona while you still can.
No. 1468223
>>1468215>Anime titty artists have reason to sweat but I don't see furries being impacted too much by it. There are furry AI art threads in /trash/ on 4chan and tons of furry models meant for making degenerate shit, so they're in hot water too.
>Even if you started with an AI image you would still have to paint over it to get all the character markings and shit exactly right.The same applies to AI art as a whole, but the doomposter refuses to recognize that.
No. 1468385
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>>1464108He might be a mangaka I dont really know much about him but some guy who went by eisakusaku on Twitter or something like that. Some of his art is very scrotey though.
I found him through pinterest a long time ago.
No. 1468440
>>1467694Very aptly put.
>"Wall-Eyed Girl by Ilya Trending On Artstation Masterpiece 8K."KEK christ I can envision it already, that's all you needed to write and I saw it clear as day
No. 1468740
>>1468667I suggest limiting the amount of time you spend on each piece or scaling down the project size as much as you can. If you limit yourself to say 2-3 hours, and by the end of it you are nowhere near finished - move on!
If you feel confident in being able to finish something small relatively quick, you can always try your limits from there and go for a big project every handful of times knowing you can fall back on a less crushing workflow.
Obviously the amount of time you can limit yourself down to will differ depending on your art. For me I feel dumb as hell if I spend 10 hours on generic anime fanart, and regret it unless it is looking like a masterpiece.
As for worries about AI, I can't help you.
No. 1468753
>>1468667I feel like I see an abundance of posts like these in this thread.
My only advice is that you can't force yourself to like making art. If you don't enjoy the process, you won't enjoy anything you produce out of it no matter what. Quality comes out of an appreciation for composition and technique on the artist's behalf. If the presence of AI so affects your enjoyment of art (on top of your current displeasure) then I suggest either looking into a different creative medium, like writing or music, or sticking to visual arts media that (usually, relative to their counterparts) take considerably less time to produce, like pencil or charcoal sketches
No. 1468764
>>1468693>>1468753It's not that I don't enjoy the process, I actually have fun sketching and coming up with compositions. Though when it comes to rendering everything is so frustrating because no matter what I do I can't make the piece look as good as I'd like. And I feel like I've wasted my time if I spend time on a drawing, even having fun with it, and the end result is mediocre at best. For some reason my drawings always look "dirty" or pasty with no charm.
The AI thing was just a side comment, please don't take it too seriously.
>>1468740Thank you for your advice! I'll try limit myself with the time I spend on drawings. I usually take A LOT because I don't do it all at once and I take a lot of breaks to see mistakes.
No. 1469007
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why arent there as many female-gaze artists as there are male-gaze ones? only one i can think of is kaneoya
No. 1469014
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>>1468887When you're using the transform tool you have to uncheck the "keep original image" box.
Same thing happened to me recently and it made me so angry I didn't draw for two weeks lmao
No. 1469078
>>1469071Yes it does. It's probably hard to believe in this day and age, but art has historically been a male-dominated field up until the last few decades (and even still there's a gender imbalance). The most well-known and influential artists are predominantly male. The same reasons that prevented women from becoming politicians/lawyers/doctors/scientists have prevented women from pursuing a career in the arts. Hence
>>1469007>why arent there as many female-gaze artists as there are male-gaze ones?Why aren't there as many female artists as there are male artists? The answer to this question is essentially the answer to
>>1469007 No. 1469091
>>1469082It really doesn't work that way, anon. Anyone can call themselves an artist, but not all artists get recognition.
Women were prevented from attending art schools or apprenticeships under masters for centuries. Going to art school, much like going to any elite institution, provides greater connections and skill-building than most people can forge on their own. A lot of artists, if they hadn't gone to art school, were wealthy enough to build connections for themselves, or were born into a well-connected family. Read up on the most famous artists you can think of (Picasso, Monet, Michelangelo, etc.) and see that most of them fit exactly what I had said (and most of them are men). Even in the modern-day, for example, the field of Western animation is disproportionately populated by people who come from CalArts, showing that brand names and connections matter greatly. The wealthy and well-connected often decide what is consumed by the masses, and historically 90% of the wealthy and well-connected are men. Things are changing in this day and age with the Internet becoming more mainstream and audiences becoming more accessible, and all of what I said is slowly receding from our reality; but historically the art world has not been as fair and judicial as you believe it to be.
No. 1469186
>>1469183More popular male artists -> more art in the male-gaze
???
No. 1469189
>>1469186And even if the artist isn't male, people learn off of other artists. And if a lot of those established artists are male, then a lot of that art will be catered to the male gaze, so even women will sometimes draw in the male gaze. It's the fact that male artists are influential and perpetuate the male gaze over the female gaze.
And also, most coomers are scrotes, so porny art is almost always going to be done in the male gaze. Women are not a large demographic in coomer art.
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>>1469211I don't know of an AI program, but I do know of certain platforms providing an option for artists to opt out of AI image training, most notably ArtStation. IMO people pay too much attention to how AI programs are unethically scraping artwork off of the web when they should be putting more blame on these art-hosting platforms that do little to protect the rights of their artists. Picrel just confirms that, unless you take the initiative to use the opt-out function on their website, there's nothing to stop the AIs from using their artwork. Not to mention how legislation lags behind technology.
No. 1469231
>>1468764Maybe your calling is to be a sketch artist? That's a
valid focus. I know we forget when we're surrounded by rendered work. Focus on using color to let your sketches pop out, play with large-scale sketches, and so forth.
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>>1469007>>1469078the bigger issue is that many female artist are poisoned by post-modernism, this happens in films and tv as well, a lot of female directors wanna be pretentious with the concept of the female gaze, they either wanna give their works some artsy lesbian arthouse aesthetic and or have ugly men do bizarre stuff to be subversive or some other shit
No. 1469394
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Shen what the fuck? This looks like a 12 year old’s doodle
No. 1469941
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does anyone else struggle with, for lack of a better word, soul? I know my fundies, and i cant make a decent black and white sketch, but when i try to make something like pic rel, it looks hideous. It's like i have no sense of how to make things look cute and good.
No. 1470099
>>1469941Soul is subjective
and is the casus belli for infighting between AIfags and artfags. I don't evaluate art for its 'soul' but for its aesthetic value and what it conveys—how it makes me feel—but I guess some might argue that that is what 'soul' means. As for adding 'soul' to your art (aka making it less hideous), nobody can really give you advice on that until you define what 'hideous' means—are you struggling with color? Style/exaggeration? I suppose on the surface level you could study from artists who create works in that particular style.
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Personal salt ig
but i want to finish my picrew/dress up game but i don't have the motivation because there is really no reward in it (kind of) and i just want to draw but i have no inspiration because i didn't finish the stupid dress up
i'll try to finish it before the week ends
No. 1470185
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Nonnies, how many of you do art commissions/sell merch on a full time basis, without a secondary income and any suggestions on how to do this?
I’m about to fucking loose it at my job and I’m tired of wasting all my time and energy on something that I’m not passionate about. I’m ready to quit and see if I can make a living selling dumb trinkets on my terms.
No. 1470353
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Sorry for sperging but I’m so sad Anatola trooned out. She used to make such feel-good lesbian art.
No. 1470420
>>1470185I live with my family so income wasn't a huge deal but I did commissions for a year or so before I got my current wagie. If you already do ocs and/or have a western inspired "anime" style you might do well with dnd oc commissions.
I never did merch but it seems very dependent on how large your fanbase is. Being passionate about your job is a two way thing though, and burnout is real. I got commissions from r/starvingartist and other similar subreddits. Good luck
nonny!
No. 1470429
>>1470403don't know who she is but looked up her account and she's drawing/retweeting some m/m content, so she's likely another
victim of the lesbian to gay trans man path
No. 1471545
>>1470185Same, sometimes a girl just wants to run away and be a millionaire artist from taping bananas to walls. If you want to sell merch of your OCs or something, build an audience online who will like them enough to buy keyrings of them for example. If it's commissions go to fiverr, family members, friends, art fairs, conventions, even small local galleries if you have a solid portfolio of traditional art. Insta commissions are hit and miss because you'll get casuals who don't even know what they're asking for, but can try there too.
Chin up nona. I set out to have an artsy job from the get-go and failed, bc I hated art school and dropped out, and have since been bouncing around temp jobs for a year while I work on my art at home. Hope to have a portfolio ready eventually and do… something. Good luck to you!
No. 1471580
>>1471545nta but are there any good ways to get recognised on fiverr? every time i've tried to use it to get commissions ive had 0 success
>>1470185i'm in the same boat nonna. i just lost my job and the thought of having to slink back to another degrading retail job makes me want to die. i hope we're both able to make some money off art commissions/art related stuff!!
No. 1471911
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Has anyone experienced ego death but with art? I started drawing again after a year of putting it aside and struggle to find my art style or any general direction for my art anymore.
The artists that I used to look up to and kinda based my art around don't really appeal to me as they once were. It feels like I lost the magical connection through them and had to find my own way of drawing things again. Tbh I wasn't too fond of my art back then either because it can fluctuate every now and then.
I just hope that there's a way out of this because I feel a bit hopeless right now. I feel like a loser because after years of on-and-off drawing stuff and I still can't find a voice of my own or have a solid idea of what I'm doing.
No. 1472841
>>1471911agree with
>>1472380 I get anxiety when I think about my art style too much. I worry about consistency or if people will think I'm just faking my style by copying others. I think the creator can be too close to their own work and the process, and it's good to be critical of oneself - just try to brush self criticism off or talk to other people if you are down in the dumps. Being self critical is a good sign, you are prepared to take in other people's criticism and grounding yourself. However, in my experience, other people are almost always appreciative and less critical - probably they can clearly see that your style is good and distinctly "yours" even though you develop and change your influences.
No. 1473071
>>1472841Honesty I think that this is a fabricated problem made to mentally torture people who don't yet know what they want. Once you'll come up with some idea of your style you'll likely beat yourself up over "same face syndrome". You should be concerned about consistency if you're working on a big project (such as a comic book perhaps) and even in such cases people get away with changes happening along the way. In any other cases not having a very specific style can be an advantage; you are seen as a versatile artist.
Also pretty much every prolific music band goes through genre or style changes with every next album release. There's no evolution without changes here and there.
I don't mean to sound condescending and sorry if I do. I just think the idea of a style gets way too much spotlight.
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>>1473489Considering I've seen so much self hating pickmes, I honestly can't tell anymore.
No. 1473711
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I really want to have an artist alley table at my local convention this summer, but I'm not sure exactly what to sell since I don't usually draw fan art and I'm not very interested in any of the popular franchises that the majority caters to. I'm wondering if I'll have a hard time selling only originals/non-fan art as long it's visually interesting enough? So my main question is what do you personally look for at artist alleys?
No. 1473928
>>1455598>Most of the artists for coomshit datesim art are womenlmao what
>sakimichanSakimichan is based, talented and great at her niche that I'm personally not into. Your post is giving seething coom gravure moid lmao
No. 1474213
>>1469007Why are moids allowed to have a million autistic, purely imaginary physical standards for women but you can't even want someone tall? It's guilt/shame/moids screeching bloody murder any time a woman sees a man as a collection of attractive physical traits or wanting a type of eye candy that is not easily attainable by literally any mid moid. There are societal repercussions for being self indulgent and "shallow" as a woman in the same way men are, hence no "heterosexual female gazey" art of the Kaneoya variety, or gravure art implying a straight female viewer. The only straight female gaze that's permissable is wanting the kind of moid a moid wants you to consider "alpha" - basically something attainable like being a bald bearded 5 ft tall roid creature.
There's also another way to make "female gazey" art. It has to be made while assuming a fake male perspective to dodge that guilt (yaoi), and it's pretty abundant.
No. 1474420
>>1474415I think in those markets, women just suck it up to keep their job. They worked hard to get there and doing stuff like that outside of their own terms is sunk cost. If it were personal work, it would be a different argument; but it's easy to enter these industries and be that person when the boss goes "but she's okay with it" to a dissenter.
>>1474213That would explain why a lot of yaoi fans try to dress the genre up as something for gay men / pride friendly / "queer" empowerment.
It actually thrills me when moids screech about a woman vocalizing her preferences without apology or exceptions.
There's been this belief that women aren't 'visual,' so they wouldn't like visual stimulation like male gravure. We here know that isn't true, and I'm 100000% certain that is a moid cope, and that women value a lot of context so they dominate the written erotica market.
I do digital art, but I love doing graphite and acrylic sketches of men (it's sorta anime style) as pets for sale at a space market once a week or so. I should make a tumblr for those.