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This thread concerns creators, artists and others who work in the modern western American Animation Industry, filled with cows, hacks, groomers, woketards and self inserters who all know each other and or have dated
some of the big name cows currently in the Industry
>Rebeca Sugar: Creator of Steven Universe, Drew Ed, Edd n Eddy R34, self inserted her brother into the show, claims to be a Queer woman despite having a long term heterosexual relationship for her entire adult life
>Alex Hirsch: creator of Gravity falls, is dating Dana Terrace(who is the creator of Disney's The Owl House) where she also has her own self insert in the show, supported shipping of his self insert Dipper with his Lauren Faust self insert
>Noelle Stevenson: Creator of She-Ra reboot and the comics series Lumberjanes, is basically a cuckqueen in a poly relationship with her girlfriend Molly Ostertag(who is also in the comics industry), came out as non-binary in 2019 and in 2020 chopped her tits off and came out as "Transmasculine" and "bigender"
>Julia Vickerman: Creator of 12 Forever, proving girls can do it too, and by It I mean your cousin, a NLOG who stalks teenage boys and tweets about how hot they are, was fired from her own show for mistreating and sexually harassing her co-workers, still active on Instagram though
That was Lauren Zuke. Has a fakeboi name now but was full woman upon starting.
That’s the norm for a lot of female animators it seems. Rebecca Sugar was very concerned with having more women in the industry. She posted to John K’s blog as a, like, 16 year old (probably didn’t know of his exploits yet and was just an animation fangirl) about wanting to do more shows focused on women/with female staff.
I think it’s the California hyperwoke hellhole causing this. Even the Steven Universe pilot and early episodes, where it was mostly Rebecca working along with long term friends from college, were less poisoned with the agenda they have now. Something went awry down the line, wonder if it was Rebecca hiring a bunch of tumblr weirdos like Zuke and Amber Cragg. Lots of crybabies on staff after that.
Sorry for sperging, I wanted to animate on an industry scale for a LONG time and im kinda hyped about this thread.
Yeah I think so. John K is a different flavour of lolcow from the current industry ones. He’s more of the classic mysogynist egotist creep type
Old timey lolcow if you will
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The top part is from some autist on /co/ sperging about how oppressed men are, but the irony that she had all that anger, only to chop her tits off and become "transmasculine" is beautiful. Oh noelle, you could have just stuck to being a based manhating dyke, but you went and fucked it up.
Apparently Kate Leth is doing the same thing, she's a themlet now.
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Luke Weber is one of my fave cartoon cows lol. He made several sketch pages shipping himself with Pearl Steven universe, even getting Rebecca Sugar’s “blessing”.
He ended up getting blacklisted from the industry entirely and is a typical reactionary man baby now. He also acted as an “anonymous source” for a YouTuber’s “exposé” on the industry, but was so bad at anonymity /co/ detected it was him right away. There’s hilarious history on this dude, I’m just 2lazy to dig it all up rn.
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This is so sad. What the actual hell is going on with lesbians lately.
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No, the answer isn’t that deep, but funnier, somehow. Luke Weber was crushing hard on Dana Terrace, who represents herself with a big nose and emphasizing her blue eyes and red hair. Dana ended up dating Alex Hirsch. /co/ tinfoils that is the reason, dude’s just projecting. They also speculate Pearl gained those features in the final design precisely for that reason, since Weber was on in the early production stage. It’s just tinfoil, it would just be funny as fuck if true and doesn’t seem all that implausible.
Though, honestly, considering how the dude IS I wouldn’t be surprised if the lesbian element is part of it lol.
Pic related is a comparison from an archived /co/ thread.
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Samefag, attaching another screenshot from the archived thread. Weber is nuts.
Thank you, anon. I wanted to ask if we could talk about this guy, but forgot his name.
Didn't he also have a crush on Dana Terrace (Alex Hirsch's girlfriend), and make that comic about a cowgirl that /co/ said was basically just /ss/-bait?
I kind of want to go digging through /co/'s archive and just piece together everything I can now. Shit's funny.
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nta and don't know if this counts but there's also these two, Tara Billinger and Zach Bellissimo who created the Pilot Long Gone Gulch
also totally self inserting
Dana Terrace herself. The Amity Blight character from The Owl House (her show), resembles herself quite a bit, especially since she dyed her hair teal like the character.
Interesting to note, Amity is the love interest of Luz, the main character. Luz is also based on a real life storyboard artist whom I believe Dana met in college. I wonder how Hirsch feels about that.
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This is quite niche but I have a bit of milk on Michel Ocelot, who's a big name in the french animation industry and I wanted to know if some farmers had more milk on him (I think he also teaches at CalArts so maybe some US farmers can help).
>Be Michel Ocelot>spend your childhood in Guinea but come back to France as a teenager>base your whole style on the paper cut style on the forgotten but revolutionary work of female director Lotte Reiniger >take all of your inspirations from african tales and various african tribes.>become highly successful, most of your work are regarded as instant classic ( especially the kirikou trilogy )>be greatly respected by Isao Takahata and Miyasaki (poster of your film hangs in the entry of Ghibli studio)>profit>think you are untouchable>become widely known as a pretentious asshole, do and say all sort of stupid shit >have once left the oral presentation of a student from a really important french Art school because they were talking while projecting their own film ( probably because oral presentation tends to be way too short and it’s easier to comment directly with the images in front of you )>never properly pay your interns because you think you can pay them with your clout alone >say that you feel more black that white lmao>straight up stole the story of a 19 years old female student who worked with you
(everything has been deleted but I will try to dig it up, if my memory is correct she asked him his opinion on a story and he said he really liked but then published it without telling her anything, this is of course “allegedly” but several friend of the girl confirmed it too)>say on public press tour that ”everywhere, and from the beginning of time, men have behaved inappropriately with women”…
Sage for sperging and gramar, the pic is all the references that I talked about kek. I never met the guy but learning all of this was painful because I loved his films so much as a kid.
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Talking about self inserts, there's also the dude who barely bothered to hide it (he was his own VA) in the Power Puff reboot. idk if he's predator-ish in particular but that's was cringe enough
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iirc Noelle was the lesbian in a straight polycule, her girlfriend was a bi girl who dated a male. She drew a full comic about it at some point.
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Her tumblr before she even had a show.
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considering this character on Owl House is voiced by Dana … I don't think the Pearl = Dana theory is that far fetched
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I had no idea, went to check recommended femboy thread, there was also this comic; this is so depressing. I too believe it's not unlikely she went through transition to (maybe subconsiously) appease her bi wife more.>>1210054
Wtf she herself gave it a pedophile tag? internet 10+ years ago definitely was a different place
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You’re probably thinking of Soey Milk and Kent Williams, I think she was his student at Calarts. I’ve heard rumors he has yellow fever and would ask Asian students to pose for him, but I’m not sure how true it is. He’s undeniably a creep for dating a girl almost half his age though, especially since he taught her beforehand. IIRC he has a son her age.
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found the first page, they could've at least let her sleep in the bed with them lmao
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He draws her nude pretty often, so I doubt he cares if he’s seen as an old creep. He probably likes having a young Asian gf, and likes that people know.
It wasn’t very long lasting anyway. Zuke was just dropped because Rebecca wanted to take the characters in a different direction and, even agreeing the pair had potential to be really nice and develop in a very cute way, Rebecca is still the creator and Zuke couldn’t deal with that in a mature way. In the end Rebecca had creative control, Zuke shouldn’t have fought for this.
Then iirc she married Amber Cragg and then Amber made a depressing comic when the 2016 elections happened and she was also a huge Homestuck name so Andrew Hussie was at the wedding? And they tried making a Homestuck clone starred by woke characters that went nowhere. I don’t know anything about them now, since I grew disillusioned with the show.
These cows all collide in a big circle. Idk how all of these people know each other. I do think Rebecca hiring them was ultimately a mistake. I have a tinfoil that Rebecca became a fakeboi because of social contagion from all the genderspecial artists on the crew. Tragic, but hilarious.
I didn't know Lotte Reiniger (even though i had a big Ocelot phase that made me search about him and his work a lot) but he was seriously inspired by her, sucks to be a woman i guess
>never properly pay your interns because you think you can pay them with your clout alone
It enrages me the most. You would think that only entitled influencers would treat artists like that but nope
Samefag, sorry, I mixed people up. The married couple are Shelby Cragg and Amber Cragg (Amber was called Amber Rogers back then).
All three of them (Zuke and the Craggs) are very similar in presentation, personality and even art style. All California wokes get hard to tell apart at some point bleh.
The lack of assertiveness on Noelle’s part drives me insane esp in that picture where she clearly wants to tell her gf she is uncomfortable and then doesn’t. Zero spine, no wonder she got persuaded into mastectomy.
What has made animators become like this? It feels like all show runners are stuck in high school mode none of them act like adults
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>>1210105>I'm really interested in that story he stole from a student, post more if you can find more info.
I found this in a private facebook group with almost only professional animators and it started a huge fight because everyone started talking about the way he treated interns. I tried finding the message but I can't find it anymore (it was kind of old and I had to scroll through a lot, so maybe I didn't scroll enough ?), I also wonder if the admin deleted them, I will try tomorrow again just in case. I hate myself for not taking a screencap that day.>>1210113>I didn't know Lotte Reiniger (even though i had a big Ocelot phase that made me search about him and his work a lot)
Yeah, I don't think he ever credited her or cited her directly as an inspiration, that's probably why you never heard of her while doing your research. The best he did is partcipating to a conference where one of her film was projected I believe. She's really cool though, she is also the first conceptor of the multiplane camera (even if Disney took credit for it)!
Samefag, I’m so glad this thread exists as my sperging in the MTF tag was not justified until now.
There was a mtf in college who threatened someone with cutting their throat and raping the wound with their girldick. Named himself something new and tidiculous every six months. All tranimator teachers sucking troon dick even tho this psycho was allowed to continue to study and mix in our class
seconding this! And anything on what this >>1210149
anon said, and the self inserting cows who worked on netflix’s She-Ra.>>1210138
What are the general western pro thoughts on vivziepop and her band of troonimators? Are people mad? Don’t care?
Literally so afraid to post anything here about animation industry, because it’s so incredibly tiny, Any requests I get I post a into the group chat to see if there’s any milk.
It is extremely outside work hours where I live. However, the industry in general has full fat milk abounding, so I’m ready got this 🪡
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raye rodriguez anyone? heckin trans boy fujo and creator of high guardian spice (that woke western anime that never happened)
i found her vimeo pagehttps://vimeo.com/40956180
tbh her super anime stuff is decently storyboarded, but the newer projects get projectively worse.
samefag but i didn't even realize raye rodriguez doxed herself. lmao, her family is fucking stacked. house is worth about 4 million and it has a tennis court. well, this was
their house. the video linked was uploaded April 2012 and the house was sold June 2012.https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2549-Westridge-Rd_Los-Angeles_CA_90049_M11912-23784
sage for sperg
I know I shouldn't blame her but Jesus Christ woman this is so weak, she was Bi, Poly and already in a relationship and you thought you'd be anything more then a Unicorn for these assholes
there would have been plenty of normal lesbians she could have dated but I think she wanted to date someone high profile in the Industry, like these assholes do
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Oh Shit, does this mean Adora is gonna get into Polyandrous relationship with a guy named Josh while Catra Sleeps on the Couch
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>>1209980>poly relationship turns monogamous
Wow like that hasn't happened 50 trillion times with poly relationships. fwiw Molly seems to have not even known she wasn't straight until at least 2015 going by picrel
I didn't know until I was in my twenties. Not really that unlikely, some people just don't even consider being not straight as an actual real option I guess? (ie. thinking your attraction to other women is normal and just "girl crushes" and nothing more)
Sage bc irrelevant but that comment hit almost too close to home kek
Has anyone seen this episode of ‘harmontown’ with Justin Roiland talking about his “hot 13 year old cousin who sucked his dick”? https://youtu.be/9vDCoZciCio
Rick and morty has so many ‘incest jokes’ in it, and He did another interview where he was going on and on about incest porn but I can’t find it right now.
I think the incident probably fucked him up in some way. I think anyone would be weird after something like that happening to them as a SIX year old. Kind of depressing more than anything.
Both Roiland and Harmon seem to be crazy though, I wonder how long they're going to last on R&M together until someone gets fired off of it.
That’s like, the exact argument I had with him. He really tried to get me to make the next Abby from LOU and I straight up said fuck you man. I’m on contract so he can’t let me go but my god I know he hates me for being rational.
But enough about my petty bs. Is she still in that hetero relationship? It’s almost like she’s ski walking an actual queer person. Doesn’t that bother anyone? Also what came about the whole Shera livestream fiasco?
>>1210686>He wanted a hairy lady man.
KEK you can't make this shit up. Shows how performative these people are. >>1210695
Do you mean the one where Noelle made the most innocuous "Maybe Bow has a brother called Plow (???) and he can be a farmer" joke and people saw that as racial stereotyping of making a black man a cotton picker or something? She bent over backwards apologizing and slithering on the ground and it was forgotten just as fast as it turned up.
her characters always seem really dependent and insecure when they’re in relationships or are talking about romance. both greg universe’s and pearl’s feelings towards rose were always so shallow and toxic
. they worshipped her and didn’t care if she reciprocated in any meaningful way.
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>Rebeca Sugar drew Ed, Edd n Eddy R34
wouldn't this get her cancelled today for "pedophilia"? picrel not hers
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Not sure if milk, but I thought it was relevant. Does anyone remember the Concrete Controversy? It dealt with the SU concept art book. Pic related.
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>>1210888>replaced the 4th powerbuff girl who originally was a beloved character into baby's first deviantart oc complete with neon blue hair
The weirdest part about this is that they gave the 4th Powerpuff thick hips and long legs for no apparent reason. Like…this just looks dumb as fuck, I'm sorry.
Besides, they're all supposed to be little kids. If we want to go down the "social justice" path, it doesn't even make sense from that perspective. Studies have shown that black girls have higher rates of experiencing CSA, and are often sexualized or considered "not innocent" by adults at horribly young ages in the US. I don't know what else I'm supposed to expect from the same show behind >>1210027
I think it's just the result of people with no real life experience outside of their weird little social bubble being allowed to create and run TV shows.
Not all western cartoons are run by people this loopy, animation is hard work and most of the people in the industry are pretty normal.
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Because there's no real way to 'age' the girls their design only works when they're bug eyed 6 year olds. It's a stylized cartoon choice that if stretched at all for a older design looks stupid. Even the og canon teen versions get unsettling the longer you look at them. And they have standard female bodies just with the pencil arms and massive circle heads. So they knew they had to alter as much as possible to make it work. The new animators just didn't care/ thought nostalgic designs were enough to sell regardless.
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I think that's why when she was asked to recreate MLP Faust opted for thick lines when using flash. They still have massive eyes but the thicker lines make it smoother to watch.
If anything I feel like the western animation industry has become an oppression olympics between a bunch of white “””””””queers””””””” who come from wealthy backgrounds. It’s weird. Like every show and character they have to announce their queer or trans>>1211022
nyart but good luck anon. I really mean it. bit of a blogpost but I spent a year at SCAD some years back also for animation and had to transfer because being there was actually nauseating.
So many affluent woke nb snowflakes while every building was in the middle of poor predominately black neighborhoods but completely inaccessible to them. Everyone working for scad as a type of service provider, never a professor or administrative professional, was also black. Most of the other students I met didn't give a shit how fucked up that SCAD heavily gentrifies these neighborhoods for the sole purpose of looking more exclusive and driving up tuition. And now much waste goes into providing students with only the latest and greatest equipment (which rarely happens in the workplace) and throwing out the old stuff I think every single semester. Also, a lot of them spent a lot of time complaining about professors giving them work to do than actually doing the assignments. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to fail any classes on top of that. SCAD is really not interested in educating students or creating talent. They are selling a certain type of individual to companies. You could say that about most higher education, but this is especially the case at SCAD. So I'm not surprised the industry is the way it is at all. It's superficial by design.
SCAD has been known to be a money-grubbing scam in the art school world for a long time (see: https://www.ajc.com/news/special-reports/selling-dream/VVfRSVilHliyrTe9LAd5hN/
or even back in 1992: https://www.nytimes.com/1992/08/23/us/art-and-commerce-a-college-s-turbulent-tale.html
), but honestly most private art schools are not much different. In the south, at least, SCAD is infamous for churning out talentless graduates. So long as you can pay, you can get that degree and a ~prestigious~ name on your CV. There are plenty of talented people who have come out of SCAD, too, but instruction is subpar and critiques are nothing but asspat central.
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This one might be the best PPG aged up designs attempt I’ve ever seen.
Honestly. During the pandemic I recommend you wait. What you’ll get out of art school during a pandemic will not be substantial enough. My benefit from going to art school was the friends I made—and friends are connections—not competition. Studios care less about what degree you have but more about who you know AND your portfolio. So don’t stay too discouraged anon>>1211534
Eh. It depends if you wanna go the Disney route. Yeah CalArts is the rich school w nepotism but it isn’t the only way in. I’m not from an important animation area and I have gotten studio gigs. If anything things are changing from being in LA bc of the pandemic
Sorry for the long response
Oh, I didn't mean to give the impression that I wanted to start in animation since I already have a career in something completely unrelated to it
I was speaking more in general. Thanks for the clarification.
depends what project you're on anon. I worked with a bunch of older men and the youngest people were in their 30s. No they/thems on that production. You tend not to see the more normie average people in animation because they aren't on social media as much. Or they keep their social media strictly business.
However the young influx of they/thems is very real and annoying so I understand your concern.
I bought this book (no bully) and when I saw Concrete I was like "oh boy, this is gonna be an issue">>1210557
You'd be surprised. There's a huge child following for Owl House and Steven Universe back in the day. Just have to go to any convention and see all the kiddos cosplaying
You could make it without art school if you are a trust-fund or rich kid but those kids are the ones mainly attending these schools.
If you're able to pay for private classes, workshops, and socially skilled enough to network properly than yes you wouldn't need art school.
I attended art school on an 85 percent scholarship because I was poor as shit and need loans for housing/rest of tuition etc.
I graduated and immediately had 4 major studios express extreme interest ( a few indies ones months after) when I literally thought I'd be lucky to just have one person come to my booth. So in the end it work out well for me but if you don't have the drive don't go.
Whether you go or not you're going to be spending money and needed to network to make it. I've had classmates drop out early because they got a gig and never finished. The coworkers that never went had family members in the industries with connections.
It's really pick your poison.
Saging but seconding this.
If Disney is all you want to work at. Than learn their style to a T. Attend CalArts cause disney obviously but you'll easy have a bunch of connections and alumni hiring you since they make up majority of most projects.
HA no. I'm from Los Angeles originally (born and raised, I actually had family friends who were in the industry, from artists to voice actors). I'd always wanted to work in the industry and went to a prestigious art college. I studied illustration but I was planning on going into vis. dev.
But I tell ya. The year "Princess and the Frog" came out, I saw it and was like, "This… this is dogshit." It was painfully obvious Disney was trying to be PC. And all my friends in the Animation major didn't seem to care or notice. And then I realized they were all PC and woke themselves. After I graduated I came back home and went to a few CTN expos in an attempt to find out WHAT the fuck studios want to see in portfolios for vis. dev. I ran into old friends who were in the industry by now (now some of them are really making a name for themselves, others are burnt out from having slaved on Frozen 2). I realized the "old guard" of the people I knew in the industry were being outmoded and replaced by bluehairs and neckbeards. So now I'm preparing for an art test at a game company. Games industry is much, much better. Do not fret, fren.
nta but, I also made the change from animation to vgs anon. Although video games seems to have it's own share of problems but the animation industry as it is is unbearable.
Good luck with the art test
as long as you're happy! thankfully the Vancouver scene isn't nearly as PC/woke performative as LA seems to be although it has its share of they/them characters
(my favourite so far has been a girl who claimed her cat was trans/nb or some shit …)
Ty anon. Ye, at least with games there are so many studios (though I wish I could find out where the smaller ones congregate so I could've applied to 'em), and they're pretty adamant about not letting politics fuck up games. They're mostly traditionalists and I adore that.>>1211647
The only thing I know about Vancouver animation is it's… not as good, lol
well shit maybe my partner has just been lucky? She definitely deals with a few of them but they're usually in lower roles than her so there's a bit of distance and most of them don't usually last in the industry>>1211653
lmao yeah it's mostly a lot of cheap netflix preschool crap but honestly what's good that's come out of LA lately?
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>>1211657>what's good that's come out of LA lately?
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Yeah but it was funnier back when they did it as quick cameos. There's an episode of PPG where they have a sleepover and Mojo disguises himself. They're looking at magazines full of hot guys and Craig McCracken and his team put themselves in the magazines, kek
It's bad practice to self insert, outside of background cameos and autobiographical works. There will always be personal bias involved, and making yourself a main character in your work of fiction always comes with a bit of narcissism, at minimum. The worst case scenario is shipping yourself with fictional characters (especially underage or with preferences that wouldn't include you), or shipping your self insert with inserts of other real people. Most of the examples ITT (all except one iirc) have done that shit, which is why they're really
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I feel like it should be mentioned that the Ed, Edd, and Eddy porn included use of the word "fag." That's not very woke for a supposed queer icon, is it, Rebecca?
Spoilered out of courtesy even though it's fairly tame, because they are
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another drawing from noelle's memoir
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More from her memoir. This is what she says about her relationship with Molly in 2016.
AYRT. Really, how much can I blame someone who's surrounded by wokesters for getting into this sort of shitty situation, though? It's normalized to her, even if it's clear to us that polyamory is inherently retarded. I do
think Noelle's stupid for getting into this mess, at the very least. But being stupid and being an asshole are two separate things.
And before you go off, I'm not a fan, I don't watch the shows or read the comics these people make. I literally only know these morons from the milk they produce.>>1211855
They all are rich, privileged, and have brain worms. None of them call each other out because the best of them are dependant crybabies, and the worst of them are outright malicious and/or degenerates. They all latch onto each other. Crab pot orgy.
NTA but get this "ackshkshually they are 12 in the show!!!" shit out of here and take it back to the artist salt thread, this isn't Twitter and she isn't Shadman.
This. It's easy for a random user on an imageboard to be aware of what a meme polyamory is and how it always ends up in a straight out abusive
situation but when you're surrounded by people who see it as the most woke type of relationship ever when it's just glorified cheating you simply don't give it a second thought. What makes me side-eye Noelle though is the fact that she's doing these very personal comics concerning her current wife that either paint her or Noelle as a piece of shit depending on your interpretation. It feels manipulative on her part. >>1211860>And that they also said double trouble (the only confirmed troon character of the show too) was weird with children.
Lmao Noelle was unintentionally based I guess
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I think Noelle and the crew from She-Ra were in a livestream where they revealed that they had joked about Bow's brothers having names that rhyme: Sow (a farmer), Woah (a hippie), Woe (a goth), etc.
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No idea, but I found their pronoun page.
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I don't even- What the fuck?
Wh… what is this ….
Imagine being triggered
by someone calling you
Peak clownery. It's like a bully was punching someone with their own fist over and over again and saying "Why are you hitting yourself?" and the person just kept apologizing for it. >>1212011
This, the video game industry is fucking miserable to everyone who works there. Animators who want to do something else than hyperwoke Flash cartoons should look into anything else than video games, there are plenty of better options. Also how was the Princess and the Frog "Disney trying to be PC"? Just because the main characters were black? Original anon is giving strong borderline /pol/faggot vibes.>>1212013>Gaming industry is less woke
Lmao, not a chance. Whereas the animation industry is stuffed with female themlets the gaming industry is chock full of fetishtic troons and predatory male feminists who want to hide their tracks by performative wokeness and got their positions due to nepotism.
ayrt, from what I've seen from smaller game companies, they don't seem nearly as miserable as the people working in the massive ones. I had a college fren at Riot Games (he was there since the early days), and he seemed much more miserable and on edge than my friends who work at smaller companies. There was a feeling of camaraderie in the smaller companies. (Also my college fren seemed a little… delusional about Riot's practices, lol)
"Princess and the Frog" was pathetic. Not to blogpost but I grew up watching old movies and films, and I got to experience really excellently-written films. "Cabin in the Sky" will always be better than "Princess and the Frog" because the characters were so vivid and memorable, the songs were beautifully written (they fucking run CIRCLES around anything Tiana sang), and the "magical" (or I guess religious) element was handled really well. And I'm a big Hollywood nerd so I liked seeing familiar actors in this. It was a veritable treasure trove compared to "Princess and the Frog".
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I wasn’t expecting to side with the man over Molly as well but here we are kek. He probably ended up better than Noelle anyway since she’s stuck with Molly and still upset enough about it to make a comic. I’ve never actually seen She Ra in my life and only found out about Noelle from similar threads so it’s not like I’m a fan, but to me now seems like the ideal time for Noelle to leave Molly. She seems popular and would be able to find another woman easy.
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I looked through her tumblr, apparently she went on picrel trip to Greece in April 2015, later in summer she posted a comic strip about her perfect day where she talks about loving the bf and enjoying private time with him wink wink, they adopted a cat together and in autumn moved across country, where she immediately realized that she's a lesbian, in February posts a hourly comic where she shows that she's already splitting time between him and Noelle and is planning to leave him. No wonder they're not friends anymore.
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So it was really Noelle who cucked Jack. He still has photos of that trip on his Twitter btw like picrel, quite a few actually. Didn’t know Molly identifies as a lesbian though? Somehow I’m not surprised.
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In almost 5 years of being pretty lovey-dovey, I guess he could have not realized. There's no shame to be bi honestly, I don't know why she won't just admit that, maybe it doesn't go along well with the image of the Perfect Lesbian Wives she has with Noelle
kek she 'discovered' she was gay around the time Noelle's shit reboot took off among the woke crowd. I can't wait for her to backpedal when she gets caught dick chasing as troon Noelle with a strap isn't cutting it for her. She seems like your typical super special type that it's never ever her fault and her feelings are much more valid
than anyone else.
“100% gay”is extremely supportive of wife trooning out into a cheap copy of a man
At this point, I can't tell if she's bi with a huge preference for men, or just that
bored of a hetero woman.
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WHAT how dare you talk about singing keith david like that. i loved that movie (am french anon kek)
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sage in case this is off topic or derailing but I thought y'all might get a chuckle from this woke explanation for why a black person in farmer clothes is apparently super offensive that a co-worker sent to me
Whole thing is here: https://imgur.com/a/pmjBXQ6
Obviously, all dark skinned people are college educated bankers and businessmen. Also, if you imply that black people can farm anything other than cotton and tobacco, you're
the real racist!
The Western animation industry is notorious for being packed to the brim with extremely online coomers, and nobody ITT seems to be claiming to be notable. Since at least the early 10's it would probably be harder to find someone in the industry who isn't waist-deep in some ridiculous internet scene, hence why every cartoon is imbued with deviantart-tier fetish fodder.>>1212465>why you should care
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I'm on my phone so I can't collage but I'm gonna dump some relevant tweets from Molly and her ex bf with timestamps.
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Ex tweeting about meeting noelle. He also tweeted when they moved to socal but I forgot to screen cap that
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Shortly before the breakup. He didn't tweet about noelle after meeting them. Noelle also didn't like that tweet.
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Just a few days before this he was tweeting about couple life with Molly.
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Last one, he made a private twitter to vent about his ex (unlike noelle). Even though he seems annoying AF from his socials I honestly feel kinda bad for the guy and think he was taken for a ride by molly
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Ayart yeah esp because the guy Molly made that superhero comic with is still friends with the ex but not molly makes it seem more apparent that she is the shady one. I hope he found peace he seemed really into molly. Picrel, imagine being the ex bf and finding coded messages about noelle in your gfs comic.
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NTA but thank you! I just read the intro and I already cannot stand the author. Huge "ME ME READ ABOUT ME" vibes. She seems kinda self-obsessed, like she never asked herself why would her readers care about her specifically. It doesn't feel like she's made the comic to be universal but to showcase how special she is.
NTA but I partially agree with >>1211772
, it's not "cancel-worthy" but it is
cringe as hell and gives credence to the idea that RS is just a fujoshi claiming to be bi for woke points. Also it's weird to see someone drawing yaoishit in the EEnE artstyle. I cannot think of an art style less sexy, save for maybe Klasky Csupo. If you're gonna draw the characters jerking each other off, at least change the art style.
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To be fair, plenty of people find "banal" slice of life stories meaningful. Blankets was written about author's teenage experiences with love and religion and it's so beautiful and touching. Meanwhile Noelle's narcissistic doodles really should have stayed burried in her diary. If someone can point out what makes autobiographical work universal and meaningful instead of pompous, I'm all ears. I know there is a thin line dividing good memoirs from shit ones, but I can never properly define it. Is it about the author's attitude toward their life and work? Pic related, the way Noelle writes about herself makes me wanna slap her.
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>>1212787>What makes autobiographical work universal and meaningful instead of pompous?
Humility and self-awareness.
Also, I've never liked Noelle's style. It's basically just a mix of Kate Beaton's and Natasha Allegri's with the charm of neither. Allegri is also part of the animation-Twitter-activist cluster, but I actually like her artwork. I think she has a good sense of color. I wish Allegri did more comics, I really liked the little mini she did for Boom years ago.
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I find it so weird that Molly and Noelle are so proud of being the inspiration for Adora and Catra's relationship. Aren't they horrendously toxic
? Catra was physically abusive
and controlling, but I guess it's cool because they love each other.
…Or maybe it's Noelle's way to passive-aggressively say that she fucking hates Molly. I don't know.
Didn't expect this but I actually feel bad for the guy, it's starting to look more and more like Noelle was the unstable, insecure person who guilt tripped Molly into dating her (Noelle becoming more popular must've done its part) and thus cucked her from Jack. I went into this really expecting Molly and the guy being the assholes taking a shit on the poor lesbian but the more I look into this it's starting to turn on its head. >>1212465
I don't know why but the "anti-blackness" and "police brutality" twiggew wawnings added to a post about a kids cartoon black farmer character being racist because he's chewing on a straw sent me hard. These people need to go out more. >>1212499
Let's be real, if she made one of them a successful banker or a lawyer she would be screeched at for making him an uncle tom and forcing huwhite culture on black people. According to these people black people can only be Tumblr artists by profession or baristas or some cool hipster job like that.
They both sound terrible and you just know when the eventual break up happens they are gonna scream how toxic
the other was.
Anon, what are you talking about? Catra apologized for everything when she had no power over anyone anymore which is something healthy individuals do. Also, she was abused!!! That totally means she was justified in being abusive
to others, ignoring that makes you toxic
. Also, engaging in harmful behavior that leads to the misfortune of other people, we just forget about it because they're gay :)
Yeah, this is a normal relationship and not a massive cope.
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No milk but when I looked this person up I legit thought it was a troon
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kek, I wonder if Molly is still sending coded messages to her lovers. Picrel is recent Hourly Comic
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The title of the article is: "Noelle Stevenson, Molly Ostertag Are the Queer Power Couple We Need" kekhttps://www.out.com/print/2021/2/12/noelle-stevenson-molly-ostertag-are-queer-power-couple-we-need
Good, so I'm not the only one side-eyeing all the "professional animators" speaking authoritatively itt then
Most people working in the industry don't have time for all this wokie nonsense and milk production because they're too busy, well, working.
I think the main issue is a lack of honesty. The most visceral part of the comic is during the part about polyamory, but she only vaguely illustrates it (with popular edgy song recommendations on every page). She doesn't delve into the details, she just vaguely shows that there was a woman she liked who had another partner, and she wanted that woman for herself. No guts, no grit. The rest of it is whining about how sad she is, without ever really mentioning anything that might have caused it, or what those feelings resulted in. She says she's been terrible to people, but doesn't say how. We don't even get to hear what her actual diagnosis is, directly, in the comic. What do we really get from this, that we couldn't get from a (free to access) vent comic tumblr? Is the knowledge that the whinging comes from a rich person the only thing she's selling?
I've read memoirs where the authors have admitted to all sorts of filth, and were better for it. Noelle couldn't write a good memoir, because she either can't stand to actually talk about herself in detail, or she's actually just that incapable of self analysis.
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literally on wikipedia
>>1213399>The Frog Princess title was thought by critics to be a slur on French people
I can't, fucking frenchfags>>1213390
You are right. I thought the memoir would show the entire polyamory part of her life with some insight, but it was hardly depicted. As you said, why publish a memoir when you don't really want to talk about your life and analyze yourself? But congrats I guess on selling her vent blog trash to unaware people expecting a cohesive narrative
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Noelle was supposed to guest star on pic related show before COVID hit, so I consider that a bullet dodged. The CR and She-Ra fandoms converging might break the internet.
I’m surprised that this group doesn’t have lolcows attached to it, but the odds are good that I’m wrong about that
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And I found the original set of tweets
lol you don't have to believe us anon but it's not really so farfetched that a bunch of people in animation are sick of this shit. Also no one works 24/7
it is an anonymous website so your skepticism is understandable
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So any milk regarding these two Michael Jelenic and Aaron Horvath(the producers and main writers of Teen Titans Go)
Their not like majority of the woke kweer crowd as the rest of the cows posted here but they do have some of their own shit, starters they are really fucking insecure regarding about how much everyone hates their show and they've made multiple episodes about how their totally not bothered by fanboys lol and secondly they put a lot of weird not safe for kids shit on their show
Like this whole scene https://youtu.be/nI0SM9tsRkA
and this https://youtu.be/GYIHS7j4_XI
There's a lot of twerking this show meant for kids
I'm giving all the twerking a pass since it doesn't feel sexual and is done ridiculously with flopping cheeks. Plus kids love ass humor
Now the focus on Raven's legs and stuff, that was really weird
Kids love fart jokes or joked about butts being kicked, but no kid loves Twerking, like I can see some dumb kids imitating this
I'm surprised there weren't any parent complaints
Also hard agree with the multiple Raven Legs episode, she was just sexualized out of nowhere and it was uncomfortable to just watch
Also from the same episode btw
there was that one time in the show where Starfire is being forced to marry an alien king bc it's her culture's customs and Robin says something like "if Starfire's gonna be forced to marry anyone, it's gonna be me!"
like the entire show is half dudebro jokes with cyborg and beast boy and half borderline incel creepy pervert Robin moments.
Normally I would consider this harmless sloppy writing but I happen to know that one of the higher ups in this show harassed a female co-worker I met. I remember hearing it was so bad she ended up quitting to stop his advances.
I have no idea if it is one of these guys >>1213703
I think it may be one of the directors. He's in his 40's or 50's. Either way, there's at least one big creep on that crew.
The cows in this thread are like .001% of the actual industry, and are mostly show runners & I doubt that a handful of CalArts graduates constitutes the entirety of the industry's "scene".
in any case this thread seems to be more sperging about cartoons I don't watch than laughing at animator cows so w/e
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Oh fuck, didn’t realize the woman drawing all that butt ugly LoTR fanart was married to Noelle Stevenson. My mind is blown. Maybe she’ll chop her tits off and troon out too, so they can be totally hobbit yaois for real. Frodokin saga when?
They're defensive because its embarrassing to have the most autistic cartoon on air. Not a single person respects TTGo the way they respect any of the other (admittedly low quality) cartoons. All the characters do that retarded shout dialogue and it's the kind of owo random xD humor from 10 years ago. They should have learned from Uncle Grandpa that this shit doesn't cut it anymore
Sage for ranting about this but God damn I hate it so fucking much
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Does anyone have any milk on the Ducktalkes reboot crew?
I'm a Disneyfag and Donald Duck is one of my all time favorite Disney characters, so naturally I would check the DT17 threads on /co/ (Show was eh overall. Definitely wasn't terrible but a lot wasted potential here and there but I digress). Sometimes, they would talk about the staff and their antics on twitter and oh boy, I feel like there's a lot of hidden milk there. The showrunner Frank Angones was super preachy and woke and at one point, even had one of the dudes from Chapo Trap House voiced a character on the show. Also mentioned he had a "non binary" kid at another point kek. There was another animator by the name of Sam King who seemed like a huge cow herself. She would always talk about how gay she was and possibly dated a girl in the fandom who was barely legal despite being in her late 20s/early 30s. She also kept pushing for Della Duck (twin sister of Donald Duck and mother of Huey, Dewey, and Louie. She finally makes an appearance in the cartoon) to be a lesbian, particularly with another female character on her show who was her obvious self insert. I feel like no one really cares about cartoon ducks, so the cast doesn't get much attention compared to the Steven Universe and She Ra crew but I just know there's tons of milk there, but it isn't as well documented.
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nah, molly is going to remain cis. the most i would bet on is her changing the pronouns in her bio to she/they.
does anyone know much about picrel? i saw it on /lgbt/.
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i can't stop laughing.
You’re probably right, despite her appearance she’s a complete fujohet.
Do she and Noelle actually fuck or is she a “soft asexual hobbit” now that she’s dating a female?
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Is this for real.
Is this really gonna be a kids' show? No child would enjoy this I mean look at the style, the characters alone
but then again kids are very moldable. Speaking of which they are trying to groom more into troons I guess.
The premise of this show is so fucking boring and the visual development is absolutely atrocious how the hell did this get greenlit aside from tard woke shit? Jesus Christ. >>1213948
Also lmaoooo anon my sides
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It gets more and more retarded the more I try to look information about it.>lol quirky character holding flags lol xD>she’s a tranny Jewish girl>that somehow makes the guy that looks like he could be her dad, gay>the token ambiguous race girl has another special flag>A gay Muslim girl
Seriously the "gay" guy who hits on her reads exactly as the guys into ftms do in real life, creeps who know they're vulnerable women. He's visibly much older, and this is a show for teens? Groomflix doesn't stop.>>1213979>the company that owns Lupron (the hormone blocker they give to “trans” kids) possesses some of Netflix’s market shares
This is not surprising and hardly tinfoil to state. I'm certain there are other connections too. They are caping so hard right now for trans stuff and also predatory age gaps. They would only dare to do so with a hell of an agenda because any normie watching will be unnerved.
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In case you were wondering, this is how the author looks kek
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He looks loke a woke male feminist predator
Wouldn't be surprised. You see cis dudes cape for trannies all the time, but this seems like the "this is me" kind of representation. Surprisingly stealth, though. No mention of it in their bios, and they have a low-key look. Either way, the cartoon is ugly as shit and reads as TIF wish fulfillment self-fic garbage, with an added bonus of a weird groomer boyfriend character.
If they are a TIF, just more proof that TIFs are way better at passing, but passing has no bearing on your personality compared to socialization. The comic reeks of tumblr SJW shit, and I've never seen a man (or even boy) write or draw like this.
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Do you have any receipts, anon? He claims to be cis.
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Half the people I know working on this are personal cows of mine. Fakebois and coomers as far as the eye can see. Also being made for rock bottom price so will probably be shit. Picrel, a character in the comic becomes self aware
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It seems to have always attracted weirdos, check out Art Babbitt of early Disney fame and his courtship with the 14 year old model for Snow White, who he married when he was 30 and she was 18. sage for 100 year old milk
Reading shit like this just cements the idea that these people creating all these sell-out calarts cartoons are just writing marysue fics for their own self-indulgence. Who the hell is funding all of these projects? >>1213948
I follow a lot of people who worked on this show and honestly they all kept their heads down and just promoted the show. Which was smart since they're working with an old Disney IP and want to reboot others as well.
Cartoon sperg but I loved DuckTales 2017 and I'm really sad to see it end so soon.
I'm the anon who asked why all animators look annoying level gay, but now I have a new question and saged for being a confused retard:
Why don't they ever give their characters personality traits other than their gender or sexuality?
Like sis nobody gets invested in characters with shallow personalities, why do they never have literally any other interests to make them relatable?
Like make them all cowboys on a ranch or something
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I think most countries will just call the character male, like they did Bastion from Overwatch (apparently, in the official english, Bastion the robot uses they pronouns lol)
Also, in the original webcomic, the kid was a boy anyway.
Why would you even come to that retarded assumption? He's not fetishizing her objectification by Gendo, it's presented as a tragedy. She shares vegetarianism and lack of self-care with Anno, at the very least. >>1214019>talking pugs
They even made a pug look like a trainwreck and not in a way that you would expect from a pug. How can you ruin character design so bad? This thing doesn't look like a pug at all. >>1214046
Everything about this reads like a parody of itself. Looking forward to someone thrashing that show, preferably anons and not some /pol/ idiots
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pretty much, Russia made Ruby a guy when they showed the fusions. Sugar responded by having Russia nuked later in the show via a map showing it gone. I don't think her stupid ass realizes how lucky she was it wasn't considered affront to the country.
Anon there's still some good stuff being made, Over the Garden Wall was great and We Bare Bears is good as a comfort show
As for Comics, well the mainstream comic(DC and Marvel) Industry has been dying for the past 20 years now, but Indie comics are doing great, there's a lot of trash but also a lot of stuff
Good on you anon lol. I’ve watched a lot of modern cartoons as a fan of cartoons in general and sometimes I watch some older shows (some that I didn’t grow up with) and I find myself amazed by the most basic of things that cartoon nowadays cannot even begin to do. Like modern cartoons fail so fucking hard at having endearing characters, plots that make sense and are interesting, visual development that isn’t completely lackluster, funny jokes, character dynamics, stakes….. the modern cartoon scene is such a snooze fest it’s almost a little tragic.
With kids watching cartoons more and more on streaming sites and having so many different choices you’d assume the writers and artists would try to make their stuff stand out to yknow appeal and keep kids interested but on the contrary everything feels so much crappier now.
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i've heard about OTGW and might check it out. we bare bears looks too childish for me though and i don't like the artstyle>>1214784
idk how to explain it but it feels like a lot of modern cartoons are the creators trying to show off and perform for… each other? or adults? whereas older cartoons were focused on entertaining kids, yet had an endearing quality that made it fun for adults to watch too. i can still go back and watch certain series made in the 90s or early 00s that still make me laugh, or feel things. aside from the calarts style plaguing everything there's just no magic in modern cartoons for me. they try to be cool to woke twitter and their stupid fanbases rather than do anything special.
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I heard that as a big fuck you to the people who made Ruby a boy, Sugar also made her wear a wedding dress. >>1214780
I agree with Over the Garden Wall. It was very good. We Bare Bears, on the other hand, always looked bland and the humor fell flat for me. I heard that the Panda was a self-insert from someone in the production team. Can someone confirm this?
>>1214787>idk how to explain it but it feels like a lot of modern cartoons are the creators trying to show off and perform for… each other? or adults? whereas older cartoons were focused on entertaining kids, yet had an endearing quality that made it fun for adults to watch too.
You hit the nail on the head anon, 90% of actual kids don't watch these cartoons, these shows are meant for woke teenagers and young adults
I have a big family and none of my nephew, nieces and cousins watch any of the shows posted here, except maybe We Bare Bears
western creators don't care what russia thinks but they sure as fuck care not to offend china lol
You can't have any "what if china invaded other countries and made them an hellhole" scenarios in videogames anymore like fallout did in the 90s
Yes. I am sure some rogue Russian agent would absolutely target them for subtly fake destroying the country in a children's cartoon.
Definitely the same as agitating known terrorist groups by doing what might be considered one of the most "haram" things to do in regards to their prophet.
I agree. I wasn't sure about it when I started the first episode but it just gradually charms you. The atmosphere and characters are amazing and really grow on you. I get nostalgic every time I see a picture or hear a song from it.
Said that I think OTGW is also a show that young adults will appreciate more than kids.
But I'm not sure since I don't interact with kids all that much lol, maybe Greg is entertaining enough for them.
At least Regular Show didn’t fall victim
Ah yes lesbian erasure is SO based. Country endorsing aggression towards homosexuality and censoring anything you could possibly positively identify with is so based. I bet you're a burgerfag with a burger for a brain.>>1214736>I wonder if one of the reasons for bigger networks to turn this down is that there's basically no chance for localization in other countries
I don't think so. My language is heavily gendered and I'm sure it's going to be very similar in every gendered language - if you already have more than one pronoun you'll have a gender neutral pronoun you can adjust for your needs here; or construct your sentences to avoid using gendered words at all. Often it sounds pretty unnatural, and theres almost always some person whining "IM TRANS AND THIS TRANSLATION SUCKS" but it's most certainly doable and translation teams can make it work. It's far more likely that bigger networks would avoid it worried that China will not want to consider buying it.
No. In my language you can't get around using gendered words, you'd have to stop using verbs, adjectives and more.
Neutral forms are used only for some dead/inanimate things and babies/baby animals but theoretically could be used. But it would sound very, very weird and make your ears bleed.
I know for sure countries with similar language roots have the same problem.
Enby genderspecials here literally just switch between female and male words between sentences/days or just stick with their born pronouns and just say 'but I'm nonbinary'. They know they'd sound like they're role-playing a baby animal and probably make a lot of people laugh if they used neutral pronouns.
haha are you slavic, anon? it's def like that in most slavic languages. i know one "enby" girl that just uses plural for herself and it's just so weird and really doesn't work in my language>>1214793
lmao if panda was a self-insert it wasn't a very flattering one. that bear had an anime bodypillow waifu
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is dana terrace (owl house creator) milky at all? she comes off relatively chill to me.
She seems kinda insufferable in some tweets but overall not to bad. Definitely not the worst.
I’ve heard some bad stuff about Alex though which sucks because I love Gravity Falls.
Hirsch is a total moron who was handled with silver gloves by Disney and in all response he spit on them multiple times, rushed and forced cancellation of Gravity Falls, claimed he was gonna make a show on netflix, lost that, then that he was gonna write that pokemon movie, lost that too, and now he pathetically came back to Disney as a VA, while Disney makes gravity falls merch without caring to ask his word on it.
That being sad, a lot of the voices going around Hirsch are jokes started from /co/ because he was a poster there, and the boards always like to mess around with fellow anons who become known
There's quite a bit. Alex is a milky little man with a big ego. I'll name what I can off the top of my head. I don't work in animation but I have a few friends who have worked with him. Industryfags can supplement or correct info.>Hirsch's physical hygiene is disgusting.
Offenses include locking himself in his office for days during the height of GF and pissing and shitting in bottles +his own wastebasket and leaving it for cleaners instead of using the bathroom next to his office. Apparently he was in a hyper-paranoid state. In addition to never showering, he would go to the gym during work hours and hand off his sweaty clothes to assistants to bring to the laundromat which is NOT a production manager's job. A lot of people who worked at Disney confirm this. It's not a meme.>He has a history of dating fans and women who work for him.
Before Dana, Hirsch dated unstable costhot and fan Manzi DeYoung. They met at a con where she was cosplaying Wendy. After they broke up Hirsch started fucking Dana, a new board revisionist on his own show.
Hirsch and Dana's relationship has been open but it is unclear what their terms are. Pre-covid (around 2019), Hirsch had been spotted at events with his hands on other costhots, no Dana in sight. There was a photo floating around from a TAG party but I can't find it anymore. He has also been spotted on Tinder with no mention of Dana, But lots of mentions of his industry status on his profile.
Less interesting milk on Alex is he is a confirmed /co/ poster, a neurotic diva in the workplace who loves the smell of his own farts and a fakewoke #malefeminist on Twitter who never shuts the fuck up.
I finally feel safe, thank you.
Gravity falls does not and will never have what courage the cowardly dog had.
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Is this the right thread to ask what's the tea on Adam Ellis?
I heard about his "Dear David" haunting that he posted about over twitter a few years ago, and then pulled away from social media, only to come back and say he sold the rights for his story so someone could make a movie, deleting all tweets and evidence, never bringing it up again. People were invested in his supposed haunting, finding ghosts in his selfies and everything. Weird that he was suddenly no longer "haunted" or did he run out of time he spent doctoring images?
The podcast I was listening to said that when they were researching the Dear David story, there were parts of Reddit that were shitting on him for his comics. Idk if it was because he works for Buzzfeed and makes money, or if it's because he copy-pastes his frames over and over, or a combination of the two…
And then more recently he was upset someone made a short film, Keratin, that used his comic as a storyboard.
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>>1215181>Is she milky
Yes, read the thread. She self inserts in a children’s animated show after sleeping with her boss to land one in the first place. >>1215457
I think this would be better suited in the art salt thread in /ot/.>>1214793
I didn’t like we bare bears either. The webtoon I think it’s related to or based off of was better, the cartoon is obnoxious and boring at the same time. >>1214772
A lot of this milk is relating to animators in children’s cartoons, where in the current industry that means having a required amount of stunted emotional/intellectual maturity. I don’t know about the animators behind it, but Infinity Train is actually good. The scrote behind Regular Show came up with it, but they’re very different programs. Honestly I’d say the best modern cartoon is TAWOG but there’s no way the crew wasn’t full of cows. I’d check the milk for myself, but knowing how bad people in animation can get I don’t want to ruin my experience with the series.
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(Sorry for the double post I accidentally posted this in the Fakeboi/transtrender thread)
Not a huge figure in animation, but I present one of my favorite personal cows, Angela Vondra (@handsomehugs on Twitter, and some of her other handles include @politepuppet and @glitternewt).
>27 year old non binary they/them
>Extreme munchie that has pretended to have several mental and physical illnesses such as DID, fibromyalgia, and now pretends she has Ehler-Danlos Syndrome, a munchie favorite, claims she’s been a victim of CSA and child abuse in general
>“Identifies” as a lesbian despite being weirdly invested in yaoi and porn of little boys
>Lives on the payroll of her incredibly rich grandparents because she got blacklisted from the animation industry
>Spends her days drawing and talking about underage cartoon porn (the main reason why she got blacklisted)
>Claims to have been stalked and to have PTSD over some other loser NEETs wannabe animators who had exposed her gross porn to industry people
She went to an art college and then worked for CN on Mighty Magiswords as a board artist, but she allegedly got an auto immune disease (she used to claim it was fibro/MEFCS and now claims it’s EDS) and was too ill to work. Spent some months couch hopping at friends’ place in LA before eventually going back to her grandparents. Says she’s too bedridden to do anything most of the time, yet is able to spend 23 hours a day on twitter drawing shitty porn of cartoon children and whining about antis and about how much she’s a victim. She also worked as a boarder for VivziePop a year or two ago, but nothing too milky from that period.
People like this why I don't trust it when Fujos claim that fujos won't end up just as degenerate as male scrotes from too much BL and Yaoi
Its not healthy to draw depictions of underage cartoon/anime boys fucking
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>>1215316>Hirsch is a total moron who was handled with silver gloves by Disney and in all response he spit on them multiple times, rushed and forced cancellation of Gravity Falls, claimed he was gonna make a show on netflix, lost that, then that he was gonna write that pokemon movie, lost that too, and now he pathetically came back to Disney as a VA, while Disney makes gravity falls merch without caring to ask his word on it.
wow I didn't believe it but you were right, since Gravity falls he's done no real writing or production work other 2 Episodes for some random mediocre Netflix kids show, like how do do you go from having the most popular show on Disney Channel to obscurity
very much so. The smart thing is if you do draw porn, don't let it be of shota or underaged characters. Even if you "age them up"
second… you HAVE to make a new side account if you ever posted porn on the old one. Gotta separate that stuff.
nta anon but yeah pretty much, she drew porn of Underage Stanley and Stanford fucking and a lot of other gross stuff of little boys fucking
Like seriously I don't know how much of a degenerate you have to be to draw porn of cartoon boys, like this is why I side with the anti-shippers
Reposting from the fakeboi thread because it’s more fitting here.
The girl that called out Ang is just as milky, Holly Disch is a histrionic retard that accuses every person who does something she doesn’t like of being a pedophile, is obsessed with Simpsons yaoi (more specifically Smithers x Burns, eugh), spams shitty Mr. Burns memes like an autist over and over, cries that despite having tons of “friends” in the animation industry, she cannot break in. Holly doesn’t have the bare minimum skill to get into the current animation industry as is because she draws like a literal child. Look up her webcomic “Lemonhead and Lollipup” so you can see how shitty her art is.
Basically everyone in the Ang situation is a cow.
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>>1215711>is obsessed with Simpsons yaoi
Never in my whole life I thought I'd read these words, like Jesus Christ how much fujo brain rot must you suffer from to unironically make goddam Simpsons Yaou=i
Yeah, lots of people who draw incest/underage/whatever art do work in the industry, the question is just whether or not it causes public outrage/is harmful in the PR department. It just kind of depends what people you appeal to/associate with. these people surround themselves with wokesters obsessed with morals and social justice, and then act surprised that they’re “cancelled” over drawing cartoon porn.
There’s a bit of a double standard though, like when a straight male on a show is revealed to draw creepy shit people ignore it and are like oh well it’s just classic straight man antics but when a woman gets caught doing that she’s much more likely to get blacklisted.
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I don't know you have to be a little fucked up to even want to drawn porn of underage boys, such as pic
I personally wouldn't want a person like this to work in the Industry, I wouldn't want anyone who draws depictions of underage children having sex tbf
Aren't those characters middle aged men in the show and this is only a flashback sequence of them?>>1215757
I actually looked into this Julien character and my god, I was not mentally prepared for this trainwreck. >Degenerate furry >FTM troon calling herself a "gay man" drawing oversexualized feminized muscular gay characters >Seethes over fujos because she's totally not one of them>Whines about cis gay men being transphobic>Has a gay sonichu OC and unironically whiteknights for Chris-chan>Has a meth head career criminal mom who stabbed her deadbeat dad
Please tell me she's not actually working in the industry. What studio would hire her after one look at her social media?
Yes, but she drew porn using these designs, specifically (if I'm understanding correctly).
Also that would be incest porn.
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Is it just me or can you like, somehow feel the mental illness dripping off some artist's work? I mean this particular, cutesy sort of style. I don't know how to describe it well, but I guess it's when you can see it's an adult with some level of art training trying to draw and color like a child. Stwawbwewyaggy/Aggy draws in a similar way, Ivy Atoms, Schmorky, 4Lung's character has the same vibe, etc. It always looks…off somehow. Like they're trying too hard to make their art look innocent and naive, to the point where the vibe is a bit of the opposite, sort of like an uncanny valley effect. It just doesn't sit right, like the eyes on that dog.
I actually think it's interesting to look at because of that eerie vibe, but it literally always turns out that these artists are into degenerate diaperfag furry porn. 99% chance that this person has some socially unacceptable art of their own hidden somewhere, and just wanted to cancel the other person for their own reasons.
I had a "friendship", if you'd call it that, with her and her abusive
ex in a skype group a couple years ago. I genuinely do believe that she was abused by the ex that she talked about in a video that ended up getting her kicked out of her apartment, seeing how quickly this person latched onto Ang in the group chat was uncomfortable to say the least.
I was in a mutual with them and their ex partner on twitter until their fallout where I unfollowed both of them.
I really don't feel anything but pity for Ang, that being said however, i'd never want to associate with this person again.
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I guess you have to have seen it enough times to get what I mean. It's not the same as regular cute art.
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samefag but I looked this shit up and if this isn't Shmorky they are doing a damn good job of replicating Purple Pussy's vibe
do you have proof this Holly person exists? 'cause all I could find was their tumblr with the comic, picrel is the only info provided about the artist
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sage for being autistic about this but
one of mom's websites doesn't say anything about kids but does seem to be a legit person named Jennifer A Wheeler
according to Jennifer's bio she graduated from college in 2006 and 2009 that seems a little young to have a kid producing art on Holly's level but is possible since there's no photos of us to estimate her age and Holly has made no claims of age (though she has made references that make her seem pretty old picrel)
the other link is an all but empty wordpress site with no sign of the inspo painting supposedly by Holly's mother AND the site is for a JACK A Wheeler not Jennifer like the other site Holly linked to
who says "Holly" didn't link to this website and just say "that's my mom"? I just can't help but see how much this person's work looks like Shmorky, is written like Shmorky, etc
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Holly’s art doesn’t even look like Shmorky’s enough for this level of tinfoiling. You’re reaching. Hers is very Rocko’s Modern Life, Animaniacs, Ren and Stimpy influenced whereas Shmorky draws much rounder, less frenetic cartoon gag energy, more flat like the Smurfs or baby looney tunes or old Mickey Mouse or something.
Picrel, I get 100% Ren and Stimpy from most of Holly’s work.
I was a fan of Shmorky's work for years before I found out what a fucking gross psycho he is
He has had a lot of art styles over the years and pretended to be made up people before
He has frequently cited ALL of those things you have listed as his own influences
Have you even read his thread(s) here?
sage for autism but go (re)read purple pussy and tell me you don't see a similarity between this and lemonhead&lollipup; the only thing missing so far is the really grotesque stuff but that wasn't in PP at first either
and maybe his fiance doesn't know about ithttp://www.purplepussy.net/
even before I learned about the fetish stuff, I began to hate them with this episode
Basically the message was "Ur not allowed to criticize our obnoxious show cause of how hard we work in it"
I mean I feel for the artists who have to make this but are they really pretending that you're shit show's writing is really that deep and time consuming
The TTG crew love to spew about how they love working on the show but you never see them/crew members posting social media stuff to show that
All the Disney animated shows have people who work on the show and make their own side art bc they wanna promote it and enjoy the work. Even Adventure Time and Regular show had that back in the day. So they can't be too proud of it
I gave TTG a chance when it aired and it was pretty harmless and not the worst, but it turned so quickly to trash humor once CN realized it was an easy views grab
This is a legitimately stupid take. “Well
If they love their own show so much why don’t they shill more fanart on socials???”
All those networks use clouted crew as free advertisement (CN and Disney being the worst offenders) those posts are equally made out of obligation and pressure as pride. Matt Braly complained about this issue at disney literally last week.
Doing extra art for free doesn’t mean you “love” your own show more than people who aren’t active on social media lmao. Best case scenario, It just means you are more of an attention whore with more disposable free time on your hands.
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He literally made a show about himself, down to his appearance, the fact that his wife is Hispanic and they have one daughter
So the average cartoonist, then.
He doesn't live online 24/7, or publicly whines about politics all day at least, so he's miles above all the other cows in this thread.
Does anyone have any info on zuke? I remember back in the day she went completely nuts, even going as far as calling rebecca sugar a narcissist and abusive
(not 100% on abusive
but would you be surprised if a person like zuke threw around that kind of accusations lol) and i would have loved to know more about what happened there, if zuke was crazy or if sugar was also an ass.
Im also interested if any of the industry people in here know absinthe&honey, the absolutely insane asian chick that nuked her career last year to make it as an indipendent artist and completely bombed super hard; i kinda liked her "expose" video because it seemed like everyone in the industry was a pretentious asshole (like they didnt want her to sit at their table, like it's high school?), But in her more recent videos she sounds like an alt right gun nut, and that disappointed me a bit. All of her complain sounded like that type of office bullshit no one talks about cus disney is the happiest place on earth!! But maybe she was an insufferable prick all along
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I tried watching the show and its alright, it can be kinda funny
not hyperwoke but not edgy and pointlessly offensive, I'd probably watch It, If It was on tv but at the same time I didn't feel like I had to watch it, I didn't have any urge to rave about it. nor did I care about what happens to the characters and even discuss it
but as anon here >>1216274
the fact it doesn't have any degenerate shit nor pointless politics, it puts far above other shows currently running
Last note I do like the depiction of heathy marriage and relationship between normal people, no "I hate my wife and kids jokes" or the Husband doing dumb stuff while the wife character is sidelined stuff
That's honestly it? She just left a very high profile show just because her gay ship wasnt becoming canon, and caller her boss abusive
for that? Not surprising but damn
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It’s not bad. People base their characters off of real life people all the time. It only gets weird when the characters are used for wish fulfillment but even then people usually only notice it’s weird if the writing is bad.
It’s not like Dipper and Wendy get together in the end, their whole arc together is Dipper realizing that he places her on a pedestal and that it won’t happen because of their age difference.
I mean what exactly does quality as a self insert though ?
An anon mentioned how various characters in Neon Genesis Evangelion are based on the creator's own complex emotions, that's not considered self inserting
The Main Character in A Farewell to Arms was based partially on Hemmingway himself but also on a number of people he knew during the war, that's not considered self inserting
and Dipper was based exaggerated version on how Alex Hirsch saw himself as a child, not how he is currently
where's the line between writing what you know and self inserting
Like with most media analysis terms on the internet I think ‘self insert’ has been beaten into the ground and lost its meaning; I don’t like this character personally so it must be bad writing.
Personally I think what another anon said about slice of life comics is that humility and self awareness is what makes something interesting. Everyone is flawed and if you’re able to reflect on your own in a constructive way it really resonates with an audience. Dipper isn’t a self insert because he is a pretty realistic tween (Bad hygiene, awkward, obsessive) and Hirsch used a lot of that as the basis for both jokes and character growth. A self insert wouldn’t even touch those subjects and instead focus on either entirely good qualities or characters arcs that are neutered as hell (IE almost every bland male protagonist in generic romantic comedies) Or that freak artist who made himself Pearls soulmate kek.
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yeah I've checked and it is
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>>1216404>Shipping yourself with a young child like the PPG guy is too weird though, I don't think anyone besides him wants to see a story about that.
Jake Goldman's colleague claimed that it was just an inside joke that went too far, but I'm not sure that I buy it. More like the internet was onto his creepy ass but the team tried to salvage the situation. https://io9.gizmodo.com/this-creepy-powerpuff-girls-theory-isnt-true-thank-god-1795730698
So… who is this for? This is truly the ultimate circlejerk because no kid or parent is watching this. I miss the days of television where kids shows appealed to all ages. Now its just for other animators/art weebs.
At least the song is kinda catchy I guess
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Old news, but I remember a lot of people in the woke crowd around me at the time tried to justify her cheating with a married man talking polyamory. Why is the comics and cartoons industry filled with people who air their dirty laundry for all to see.
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>my whole relationship was a lie
>my friend died
>Kirk MacLeod passed on April 6, 2014
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>>1216575>And “trans” of course lmao
I am not surprised…
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>>1216675>When I'm with a man for a long time, I find myself increasingly attracted to women and vice-versa
It sounds like Kate is a serial cheater
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The non-binary/they stuff is too much lol
The three genders, boys, girls, dignified older men>>1212835
Finding out that this 13 year old boy looking chick had 2 people lusting and fighting over her really makes you realize there's hope for love for everyone
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She looks better in other pictures, but she has some fas features
Kek. Been awhile since I've seen an FAS anon. Her nose is just slightly upturned in that shot you mong. What's next, 32-inch waist chans claiming she's a hambeast bc she doesn't look like an auschwitz victim
The episode where Sid felt so ashamed to show his poor as shit home to his wealthy friend cut me deep as a child. Also the episode where Grandpa refuse to finish school because he is afraid to fail or the one where the fat kid went to a lose weight program and come back fatter because anxiety.
I think modern cartoons are so soulles is because modern cartoons are made by wealthy californian kids with no real problems
Also because they're probably scared of offending people. Take the fat kid example. If that came out today, someone would probably put out a think piece on how the entire show contributes to fatphobia by even having a fat character's body be seen as a problem, and then them gaining even more weight being seen as a bigger problem.
Dealing with real shit is too much of a gamble these days. I think we're not really in the era of "kid's shows that appeal to adults", but "kid's shows that appeal to teenagers and kidults". I don't even mean this in a bad way, because I still like shows like Gravity Falls and Infinity Train, but I can't really imagine Hey Arnold existing today with the same vibe/issues.
Honestly it feels like that despite all the virtuing I don't think any of these people actually care about any social issues that don't relate to themselves or for woke cloud from their unlikeable peers
that's why you never see any themes regarding poverty and other real oppressions in their shows
he's an absolute narc that loves using his personal army for the littlest shit, like randos reposting his comics.
Massive fucking hypocrite about art theft when he tried opening an anime merch company with unauthorized use of licensed official anime art
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The top half is comparing his comic to the short film that took "inspiration" from his comic.
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nayrt but no, movie copied him.
picrel under his tweet about the movie someone posted about how he stole their comic
yeah A LOT of tumblr people liked his shit, especially circa 2012-14ish. God that site is a hell hole but it was downright bubonic during those years.>>1218941
LoL Quinton reviews. Well nothing has probably come of pointing out that he basically stole. I mean, in the art community that shit is quickly forgotten about.
- The movie stole his comic
- He stole a different comic idea from someone else
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lollipup is a tranny lmao
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Does anyone else get nervous when actors who are not milky (as far as I know) get very supportive of Trans Rights (TM)?
Odds are he’s probably just very liberal and from SoCal but still
there were a few others too
john k fucked off in like 2019 i think. he wrote some long apologies to his victims
and blamed being undiagnosed bipolar or something. i don't like him but to his credit he at least admitted wrongdoing and decided to slip away from the "community"
I’ve always had the biggest crush on Johnen since the squee days. I panicked when I saw anons mentioning him worried he was problematic
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I don't care what your excuse is, that's fucked up and weird, that is not normal coping behaviour wtf
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>>1220046>>1220111>They literally didn't draw the act of sex itself
NTA but not only they did, the guy who drew that page of the script turned out to be a groomer. So I don't think OP' argument holds at all
if you can't see the similarities in character design, themes/topics, posing, punchlines/pacing, panel layout, etc, I don't know what to say
plus "Holly Disch" or wev has a very weird online presence: their links to their "mom" don't add up, nor do their comments about their own schooling vs the implication of their age based on their comments
Lollipup and Lemonhead is obvs intentionally made to look "amateur" but you can tell it's not, maybe you need to work with artists but this is not the work of a recent art school grade as "Holly" claims to be
I know that you really want this to be shmorky but calm down. Multiple anons itt have told you the art is not similiar enough to get this worked up about it. Maybe that Holly person is shady in their own right, but all they're doing is ripping off the same 90s styles that shmorky did, just more shittily. The jokes/topics are of the standard tumblr uwu wholesome qweer kind. And I get what you're saying about the posing but this is something I've seen a million times in all kinds of cartoons, including the old timey 50s - 60s ones. It's not like shmorky did something original there.>maybe you need to work with artists
I do and I honestly all I'm seeing here is a person who probably can draw but is bad at cartoon styling, so they're taking the "it's supposed to look like shit" route, but failing.
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IIRC wasn't this fake? I remember seeing something a while back about it being made up by a parody tumblr blog then spreading around as a fact, but I can't find the article I read way back when. I do know that in many countries Steven Universe is banned or edited in some way though, so it's more likely that in Russia Ruby is either just referred to as male or the show doesn't air.
Take this with a grain of salt though, I haven't been engaged with the show since roughly 2016 lol.
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Saw this today and the theory that Noelle is transitioning to keep her wife is becoming more real
I feel genuinely bad for Noelle that she basically has to transition into a man because her wife (who might still be legit bi) has a bigger preference for men. Wonder if she'll start bottom transition too or get surgery
She dated and had sex with at least one man for awhile. Not saying that comphet isn't real, but it's pretty clear she's bi at most.
She's only saying that she's a lesbian so she can claim that she's even more of an uwu extra special oppressed gay baby.
Infants would wear a washable/reusable diaper; the children in Rugrats are wearing disposable diapers (fetish item, known in fetish community as "pamps")>>1220603
It's important to remember that Klaksy-Csupo is ground zero for highly sexualized child designs in the USA. The children in the Klaksy-Csupo animation have similar features to a Japanese anime lolicon style (large heads, large eyes, small bodies). Remember that Klaksy-Csupo helped animate the first seasons of the Simpsons TV program (Matt Groening is a friend of Jeffery Epstein), another show with highly sexualized child art (Bart was and often is nude). Compare the mouths and lips of the teen characters in As Told by Ginger with the mouth and lips of a commercial sex doll. Very similar, no?(bait)
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God what happened to modern cartoons, no wonder people prefer Japanese stuff
I saw a bit of apple and onion when my younger sister was zapping and my first impression was that it was really really boring.
I feel like basically none of the newer generation of cartoons are as "big" a thing as the ones before. Pretty much only infinity train is regulary talked about and the only one that I see people hyped for, maybe craig gets close, but I never see anyone talk about the other 3 (except for maybe a couple people saying victor and valentino tries way too hard to be spanish gravity falls)
Do I just not pay enought attention or does anybody else relate?
>>1220887>apple and onion
Shittier Regular Show>CotC
Shitter, uglier Recess>SCI
As bland as a cartoon can get, even preschool shows and moeshit have more conflict but some people defend this because "wholesome uwu"
Haven't seen enough of the others yet.
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I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm almost hoping cartoons will eventually bounce all the way back to the 80s style, where everyone was either a muscle dude or a big-titted woman, out of sheer spite for this uwu soft bullshit.
AYRT and I actually agree with all of those points, I guess I was just trying to find things to mention about her personality in general.
If we want to roast the show itself, I have plenty to say as well, in adfition to everything you said, though. The character designs are, despite the colorful and intense features, surprisingly bland. If you gave an image of any of them to someone who didn't know the show, they probably wouldn't be able to tell you what kind of character they were. The visuals and directing imply that everything is important, despite barely anything actually being important; It's as if you're watching this world through the eyes of someone with a really bad mood disorder. I genuinely believe that this is what has people attracted to it, too. They can't easily differentiate between media in which a lot of important and cool things are happening, and media in which nothing truly important or cool happens, but it implies (with visual intensity) that there is. Vivzie dialed it up to eleven, and has that empty intensity happening for basically the whole episode. It's overwhelming. It's also not a good pilot. A pilot introduces only the completely necessary features of the show, in as clear and concise of a way as possible. I honestly can't tell how much of what was introduced in the pilot would be immediately relevant, and it introduced too many concepts too loosely to grasp. It's a clusterfuck.Also, I think I understand what you mean by "soft heart." The only thing I'm unsure of is how much or how little offense is intended kek. I don't mind either way, you're right, I am a sensitive fool.
so is danny antonucci a pedophile for laughing and saying "awesome" when he was shown rebecca sugar's EEE porn? you guys are really taking this serious when it's kinda not
also wtf at the mod for banning this discussion
My biggest gripe with Hazbin are overcrowded character designs. I'm honestly surprised it got picked, because it will be a nightmare to serialize on a regular basis, and I expect they're going to strip characters of half the shit they're covered with currently (those tiny horns on Alastair/whatshisname were the last straw for me).
I don't have a problem with dated style, it might have its charm, and I def don't have any high expectations for the plot, kek.
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Disappointed to see this dumbass take from Kelly Turnball, she was a story board artist for Steven Universe and whole I found her cool she wasn't that good, but I still find her more interesting compared to like 99% of the people in the Industry
She's a buff GNC straight woman who draws both Bara and straight smut and is married to a buff wrestler, i mean thats cool asf and absolute life goals
Sorry to sperg out about animation factoids but Nickelodeon fought hard against spongebob being an adult during the early development of the show. That’s the reason there is the “spongebob can’t get his drivers license” storyline. It was the compromise Stephen Hillenberg and Nickelodeon agreed to, so that spongebob could be shown going to school to make it more relatable to kids.
As for your Mickey/Donald example, those IP’s have been popular for almost a century now, so of course they can easily get greenlit their own shows. That has nothing to do with developing new shows with characters that aren’t pre-existing IP’s though.
Rocko’s modern life came out in 1992 so it’s not really representative of how networks operate in the current era.
I don’t know of many kid shows that have come out since 2010ish that solely have adults as main characters AND aren’t based on already popular intellectual property.
I mean…that makes sense. If you want to make cartoons about explicit/obvious adults, especially with a show that has more serious tones like Infinity Train, maybe don't go to a children's cartoon medium. Most kids don't want to watch adults who aren't even superheroes as they struggle with largely adult emotions and problems. It'll just come off as boring and go over their heads.
I think a lot of animators want to have their cake and eat it too. They want a mostly young adult audience, but to still be able to call their shows "kid's shows" for maximum exposure and appeal. It can work sometimes, but they're kind of stretching it.
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>>1224522>if they travel they have to do with a responsible adult
When you said that it reminded me of flapjack/bubbie/k’nuckles dynamic. I thought that cartoon was excellent. You have the responsible adult and the irresponsible adult, and the world is this weirdly specific setting not just generic sci fi/fantasy setting. Definitely one of the more creative and underrated shows. I’m sad that it ended but also glad it ended before all cartoons started forcing gender identity storylines into everything. I love that flapjack got to be depicted as a sweet gentle little kid, and it wasn’t some forced “non-binary” thing, it was just his character. I don’t recall any fan service or shipping or virtue signaling, just unrestrained weirdness and funny gags.
I miss that show so much!
What? Shes never worked on steve universe, you probably mean the ben10 reboot. (For which she also received death wishes over, because of course she did, cartoon spergs are terrible people). Also how is it a bad take? It's true. Execs have this idea that kids watch shows with kids so they only greenlight those so kids only watch show with kids protags and the execs are like see, told you so.
Personally i remember as a kid not being super invested in kids protagonists when it was a really mundane setting, like they had to be older than me to hold my attention (say, high school protag vs elementary school me). I dont think this truism holds that much water and i think a veteran like kelly prolly knows a little more abt the industry as us 4 anons perusing this board kek
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Kelly worked on the first Steven Universe book. I am not sure if she worked on the show though.
Johnny Bravo: 1995
Spongebob: 1999 (plus we have already discussed in this thread how he was modified from his original characterization to make him more childlike.)
Cat dog: 1998>>1224789
Courage: 1996 and I think it’s quite a stretch to call a pet dog an “adult character” considering he’s a pet, not an adult, meaning he lives at home with his “parents,” doesn’t drive, doesn’t have a job… besides can you imagine a show like courage the cowardly dog being greenlit today?
None of the examples given are from the past 20 years so they really have nothing to do with how hard it is to get a show like that greenlit by a network NOWADAYS, which is what she seemed to be referring to.
Yeah, it’s different when it’s animals that sit around playing videogames and sports or whatever they do on that show.
Besides, Regular Show was greenlit in 2009 so it’s still not current.
I think >>1224393
she is speaking about how things are now, not how they were 10-20 years ago. Additionally, even if someone can find one or two examples of kids shows that >Exclusively focus on adult human(oids)>Were greenlit within the past 10 years>Aren’t based on already popular IP’s
it’s not like that completely disproves her point. There are exceptions to any rule. I think she just meant that, broadly speaking, kids shows about adult characters are 99.99% guaranteed not to be greenlit by kid networks.
I honestly don’t know why peope are nitpicking what she said so much, let alone coming up with extreme reaches like “courage the cowardly dog” to disprove what she said. I like a good animation debate, but this isn’t very milky.