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A thread for the discussion of PetYoutubers. Better known as people who hoard and neglect animals for youtube fame. Some frequently discussed ones are:
- Has over 30 animals.
- Supports Taylor Nicole Dean
- Keeps animals in too small enclosures.
- Keeps a single rabbit in a room without hides and barely any enrichment.
- Queen of the mean girls of pettube
- Pretty much confirmed that Maddie Smith and him are living together.
Happy Tails AKA Megan Arriola
(Had her own thread here: >>612216
Due to lack of content she has been merged back into this thread.)
- Has over 100 animals.
- Keeps her animals in a small room with way under minimum enclosures.
- Advises not to listen to veterinary advice, like not spaying and neutering rabbits.
- Backyard breeds dogs, purposefully mixed two breeds together and justified it by saying they're designer and "these breeds are really in right now".
- Breeds a potentially harmful gene (merle) into her dogs
- Uses aerosol products and paints her nails in the same room as her birds.
- Feeds her animals mostly fruits and vegetables without proper supplementation.
- Her bird almost died due to poor diet (vet literally put it on seed because it was too thin from bad diet).
- Had her snake and bird out on her body during livestream.
- Some of her cages have exposed wire and splotchy/peeling paint.
- Charges an OUTRAGEOUS amount for 'consultation' when she has 0 credentials and can't even say she does her own research for her own animals.
- Extremely rude to supporters and shuts down every question that she can with a snarky remark.
- Put two male mice together, ignores advise and says they'll be fine.
- Hoards, breeds, and a lot of reptiles, that are often bad quality and sick.
- Keep them on little plastic containers, justifying it with saying 'they like it that way'.
- Inbreeds and shows little concern for genetics outside of producing colour morphs that will sell for $$$.
- Bullies costumers if they dare to call him out for the shitty conditions his animals have when they arrived.
- Both Tyler Rugge and Taylor Nicole Dean have made collabs with him.
- Got kicked out of playlist for bringing in a baby gator and snake to scare/prank people with.
- Buys two-headed animals.
- Used his two-headed turtles death as clickbait in a video.
- Opened his own reptile zoo.
- Complains about lolcow and similar sites, describing them as predators waiting for petubers to slip up. Which is ironic because after bizarre selfposting she was
outed as being a frequent user of this site. She criticized the care of several petubers, including herself. See this post for a full explanation and her post
- Throws a lot of subtle shade at other pet youtubers despite pretending to be 'friends' with them all.
- Moved to America to live with hoarder BYB boyfriend Danny.
- Won't show habitats for most of her and Danny's animals, keeping the exact number of animals a secret. Some examples of enclosures not shown include; Snapping
turtle, snakes, and (unseen) monitor lizards.
- Thought she could cycle a fish tank with old water, put two betta together to 'breed' despite clearly knowing nothing about breeding and conditioning the fish.
- Keeps her doves in the bare minimum of cages, also keeps them next to ferrets and has let them land on the ferret cage before.
- Was paid off to set up an awful Bearded dragon enclosure including substrate that can cause impaction.
- Recently got a puppy.
AfroHerpkeeper AKA Daniel Carter
- Has over 100 animals while going to college and balancing a job. (Including a cottonmouth, rattlesnake, tegu, and two quaker parrots.
- Gives animals away and continues to get more.
- Keeps his rattlesnake in an enclosure without a lock.
- Has snakes in too small enclosures.
- He lets his tegu free roam in his reptile room without supervision. On one occasion his tegu ate an escaped western hognose snake. Recently took his tegu to the
vet because he thought that he ate escaped ball python. Good news he didn't eat the snake. Bad news, the snake is still missing and it ate one of his quail.
- Waited to get vet care for a snake with a hole in its face, because he didn't have the money.
- Continues to get new animals.
- Feeds his snakes live prey.
- Imgur album containing more information including animals he has and animal deaths: https://imgur.com/a/0QGArOd
- Hoards animals, and at one time had over 50. Recently downsized to 30 in order to move in with Tyler Rugge.
- Justifies her hoarding by saying all her animals are taken to the vet.
- Back Yard Bred her rats, but claims she is no longer breeding. She ended up with sick baby rats.
- Recently got two doves; one got sick and died. She blamed the breeder and 'genetic' illness despite environmental being much more likely. Subsequently she got
another bird from a 'better breeder' to replace it, didn't quarantine properly and that bird is now also very sick.
- Is a 'wildlife rehabber'; although is listed as 'social media adviser' on their poorly made site. Charity was also only registered in Ohio in September 2017.
- In her December 2017, “Meet My Pets” video she said her rabbit died from a viral infection; Coccidia. Coccidia is a parasite the is spread from improper hand
Steff J AKA Estefany Jasso
- Hoards animals.
- Was gifted two puppies and kept them even though she didn't have the space for them.
- House is literally crammed with animals.
- Killed all her fish once when she flea bombed her house to get rid of the fleas her roaming cats had brought in.
- Lets her turtles breed, found a nest they'd made unsupervised outside with most of the eggs being eaten by ants.
- Had one of her tortoises die. Was supposed to nebulize the tortoise every 8 hours, instead said she went to sleep for 21 and 'someone else did it'.
- Let her duck eat Styrofoam while yelling at it from across the room.
- Keeps her turtles in tiny cages.
- Keeps most of her animals in filthy conditions.
Carolin von Petzholdt
- Keeps parrots. Has actively lost her parrot Hope numerous times on camera.
- Flies her Parrot Hope in public parks around dogs and as such has been chased by dogs and accosted by dog owners more than once.
- Doesn't train her parrot to fly back to her on a signal, merely screams randomly.
- Has had Hope both chase native birds and be chased by native birds during her free flying, resulting in Hope being lost at least twice from this.
- Has sexually molested her bird on camera; doesn't seem to understand that touching a birds vent is frustrating for the animal and essentially bestiality.
- Films people on camera and posts to youtube without their permission.
- Wants to breed her birds.
- Smokes weed in the same room as her pets and defended Taylor Nicole Dean when she smoked around her geckos. Claims the smoke doesn't linger.
- Claims to be a rat expert after one semester on them in school.
- “Rescued” rats from the feeder bin. One turned out to be pregnant and had two babies. Maria had them out playing with them shortly after they were born. One baby
died. Mom and babies were kept in a glass aquarium. Recently moved mom and surviving baby back into the cage with the other rat.
- Constantly begs for money on social media to pay for her animal hoard, but has money for hair dye, make-up, video games, and other frivolous things.
- Claims she cannot keep a job due to her mental health but that it doesn't stop her from taking care of her animals.
Previous Thread: >>730730
Taylor Nicole Dean Thread: >>>/pt/676017
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Brady, you are an idiot and an enabler. Anyone who gives this much money expects something in return
Thank you for the thread anon! I’ve found Maria to really embody a few of the problematic
pettuber behaviors. >>831646
Hey, at least she finally bought her rats a decent cage with the money.
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She needs to go inpatient somewhere or at least get this taken care of. Yikes
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Found her check in at the hospital on fb
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Well maybe if she didn’t jump on everyone about everything and be so nasty to people then she would have friends to do things with
I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds Em her man really fucking creepy
Like theres jsut something really off about them that I cant quite put my finger on
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I really don’t get how she mistakes genuine concern for a challenge. Like no matter what she does in life, having a million pets to take care of would just make it impossible for her to have that job she keeps whining about not getting. She’s just going in circles with it and enabling herself to stay where she’s at.
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And there goes any need for her to get a job. She has a sugar daddy
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Loses baby rat and does not understand what she did wrong
Maria: BrEeDiNg RaTs Is My CaLlInG
Maria I know you read here: don’t even think about it.
Do you know the genetic background of your Marten rat? What female are you planning on breeding him with, because none of your current females have genetics you should be breeding and you’re certainly not in a position to be getting anymore rats.
Having a large enough cage for your current rats finally, please just focus on them, instead of getting more rats to fill a cage you couldn’t afford to buy yourself. Breeding to ‘sell’ the babies and make a profit is not the right reason to breed, nor is breeding just so your friend can have rats, please direct her to other rats she can adopt instead. Breeding is difficult and you’ve already experienced that first hand losing a baby, it can get a lot worse than that. It can and is costly, time consuming and you need a lot more than a single critter nation to do it properly, so please just don’t - focus on your current rats and giving them a good life before bringing any others into the world.
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I don’t see her ever being able to move out so maybe this problem will fix itself.
She can't even afford to feed the ones she has. How is she going to feed more?
And the guy sending money is only going to keep sending money every month if he gets nudes or something more out of it.
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>>832356literally posts whole life on social media and blocks people who offer criticism
Maria: DoNt TaKe SoCiAl MeDiA sO sErIoUsLy
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Keep playing along, Maria. We think it’s funny anyway
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She’s got photos in scrubs tagged at her college. She needs to stop tagging her locations. I looked it up they have a vet tech major. Also her male rats came from her school so she’s in some veterinary field.
Does she have any self-awareness? Complaining about having no friends and not having time for a job while sitting on her computer refreshing this website all day…hot damn.>>832456
You're right honestly. Think about how much validation she gets even knowing people think about her at all. All the people we talk about in this thread think they're goddamn celebrities because they're being noticed, when really we only care about their poor animals and them receiving the care they deserve.
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Pettube drama ensues. Maria’s original tweet showed up in TNDs thread but I thought this thread was more appropriate for this one since it barely involves Taylor.
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Bonus mental breakdown which I’m sure is in no way related to her picking fights on twitter for TNDs attention.
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Looks like she has a second account
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She should really practice what she preaches because she’s the one who jumped on Jessica, who didn’t even say anything to or about her specifically. She involves herself in other people’s conflicts and then gets mad when it doesn’t go the way she wants it to. Like no one needed your help there Maria. Taylor even said in that thread that she’s blocked her and it’s all good like no one asked for Marias help at all
all this girl wants is for us to talk about her. she wants her udders so bad…
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No, I’ve been following this drama for months. This is something her cousin posted about it (and that’s just the start of it).
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I came across this thinking I could add to it because there’s so much about Maria that you guys don’t even know. You could look into it, it’s been a thing for a while now. Her cousin says she has over 50 fake accounts of Maria blocked on instagram. This is one of the screenshots that was attached to the Facebook post
god, this is still maria right?
can some admins find out how much she has self posted and just ban her if it's a lot?
cause if people genuinely want to talk about this bitch, I will, but I dont wanna feed her more attention if it's just her own desperate posting.
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I guess Maria kept changing her name and picture on Instagram because of the drama. She posted this homophobic trash about her cousins mom a while ago and immediately took it down after her cousin called her out publicly for it
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She clearly isn’t getting along with her sister.
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She also apparently has been harassing a high schooler that doesn’t even know who Maria is???
Maria. I know you read this. Please stop. You’re hurting animals.
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she just posted this a few hours ago
She's fucking insane. If I were a PetTuber I'd be blocking every "alternative" girl at this point, kek. Seems like she gets blocked enough, anyway. Every other post about her in the last thread is her. This bitch is crazy. I just looked at her Twitter and she gets like 2 favs max on tweets unless they're about TND. So trust me, no one is sending her money except herself unless they're for puss pics.
All she talks about is muh mental illness, and she must be really sheltered if that dumb shit she claims her ex did is still a focal point for pity. I have no pity for animal abusers.
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Ain’t she important? As if people watch her videos anyway….(self post)
Carolyn Von Petzholdt dismayed at the "haters" who are trying to prevent her from sharing her valuable freeflying knowledge in her new book. She completely ignores the people who give her great advice out of genuine concern for birds.
People are writing scathing reviews of her in the amazon page: https://www.amazon.com/HOW-TRAIN-YOUR-PARROT-MORE-ebook/dp/B07TWCCFSJ/
Bonus, Carolin included screenshots from a freeflight facebook group that drag her in a review of the book, and attempts to drum up support with her own fake account with the name "Carl Pin": https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dmkbx7hx6qre4aq/AAAgkCbB76Rx4tWO0mZQvjvca?dl=0
Carolin has srs lolcow potential
Looks like mods/admins have gone through and marked her selfposts lmao
I have suspicions about more of them but at least it's confirmed she's still lurking here if she hasn't been banned.
I agree, I couldn't care less about Maria. I think there's at most 2 people here (besides Maria herself) who give a shit about her.
I'd much rather talk about Emma's insane animal collecting
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Emzotic made this girl relevant in the first place and as long as her audience is growing, no matter how slow we should be holding her accountable. She lives at home with no job because OuO mental health special snowflake, and hoards animals and you DONT want to talk about that? Is this thread to keep pettubers accountable or what? If she’s enough for bigger pettubers to notice like Emzotic and TND who both follow her on twitter and insta then it’s enough for me to hold her to her shitty pet keeping.
Also emzotic needs to release a list of her animals already this is crazy, her house has to reek from everything she has hoarded in there for “work”
didn’t watch the last 5 mins but basically her chameleon had gout that was misdiagnosed as a bone infection. vets gave the wrong medication which ended up making it worse. she was driving every other day for an hour just to get him injected meds bc she wasn’t comfortable doing it on her own since he was very small. he had an open sore on his tail which they ended up just amputating 2 inches off the end of his tail without her consent, which later healed and then spontaneously reopened. she took him to the vet and had him euthanized.
sad as fuck. no idea who she is as i don’t follow this thread but it must be so frustrating to get the wrong diagnosis and wrong treatment for something that could’ve been potentially helped. poor dude sounds like he suffered a lot from their mistake
That is genuinely heartbreaking. All too often vets will misdiagnose or provide the wrong treatment. A vet injected my ferret with Baytril even though it is caustic and should be used orally only, I was so
pissed but the vet was reported and held accountable. Emma should do the same; report the vet because that is atrocious malpractice. Poor George.
I came here just for this after I saw her video which I didn't watch because honestly I just can't stand her lately.
Considering the 'rescue' was all about how he will be kept alone and whatever it's a bit… eh. Like I highly doubt she's taking birds from one educational visit to the next cause that seems like a lot of stress, even with rotations.>>834657
Was the vet a specialist in exotics? I find often that a lot of the 'general' vets are pretty shit at caring anything beyond your typical house pet. Obviously I understand that not everyone has to an exotic vet but it seems like this went on for a bit so she had some time to reach out to the nearest specialist vet.
Is she going to breed them like she bred her doves?
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Mikey the Macaw posted a response in relation to Carolin von petsholdts shit book
Iirc, emma said on Twitter after his misdiagnosis that it was going to be difficult to find a new exotics vet because that was the closest one to her. So it sounds like it was an exotics vet.
I can't find the tweet so it might have been someone else, but I'm 95% sure it was her
FREE FLYERS ARE STARVING BIRDS! REVEALING SHOCKING SECRETS IN THE FLIGHT COMMUNITY
Carolin von Petzholdt
Published on Jul 6, 2019
FREE FLYERS ARE STARVING BIRDS! REVEALING SHOCKING SECRETS IN THE FLIGHT COMMUNITY!
Did you know that some free flyers starve their birds to gain full control over them?
This is a malicious practice and a crime against birds. It’s very common in the free flight community. Just no one talks about it.
My book is the first of its kind and it talks about the dirty little secrets that people do to have full control over birds.
It’s outrageous and shocking.
My book will change the free flight community and will help a whole new young generation to rise up and fly birds safely and stop clipping them.
If you read my book you will know that I learn free flying via skype for $300.
Now with my book you can learn free flying for only $9.99 and don’t need anyone to teach you.
You are your own birds trainer and I am giving you all the knowledge you need to know HOW TO TRAIN YOUR PARROT without starving them or abusing them!
The receipt in my book is love, trust, bond and practice, practice, practice.
I finally watched Carolin von Petzholdt and I know nothing about pet birds, even I could see her dumb ass was doing shit wrong but more so then that, being a first time viewer, after seeing her name here a lot.
I understand why dumbasses (like myself) can stumble across her videos and think, "Oh this nice lady" especially if you click on an live stream when she's in her house.
she seems so nice, thankfully I know she abuses her birds and is an idiot, but it's easy to come into these youtubers thinking, "oh my god, they are so nice and informed they love their animals"
I felt the same about Emzotics, then I learned everything about her bizarre self posting, how she seemed to be very insecure about being in her 30's, her cringy "look how better Em looks then Taylor".
You learn QUICKLY in these threads that so many of these people aren't what they seem.
I'm brand new here and I just read all the way up until today, it's a rollercoaster.
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Is no one going to talk about Emzotic putting a ESA vest on her dog when it’s not an ESA? And ESA vests aren’t even an official thing?? What kind of message is she trying to spread? Just get a vest that says do not touch on it????
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Doesn't Maddie still live with Tyler? If she's got thousands put away just for vet bills, why won't she help Tyler?
Honestly a bought dog suited her better imo simply because she has an insane amount of animals. Risking a destructive dog would be a bit eh.
She made a video about it where she probably explains her reasoning, I just haven't been bothered to watch it
If you go back, Maddie also set a go fund me when she tried to breed her birds and the baby was very sick. Only she was complaining about being unable to afford a $500 vet bill. At least Tyler puts out content. >>837168
She could have just as easily adopted a puppy from a shelter and trained it. Or fostered a shelter dog to get an idea of it’s behavior. She has so many animals already that she’s definitely neglecting for the new puppy. She has ferrets, a bunny, two skunks, doves, grinchy and two kookaburras. Do you really think ALL those animals get hours outside their enclosure daily?
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It’s weird she donated through gofundme when they take a percent of the profits. >>837303
She said she has thousands put away for emergency bills earlier. Now she can only afford to donate $75?
He should be borrowing money from people he knows. But because he has a following he will just use them for money so he doesn't have to pay for it at all. Real shitty to use your young fans for money Tyler, and for you to defend it Maddie when you have the money he could borrow.
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How much you wanna bet this rat never sees a vet about that eye?
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Distracted from what!? He’s not a service dog therefore what work is he doing for you? Why does she have to pretend he’s some trained working animal? He’s a puppy in a vest she feels entitled to bring places.
The way she writes about shit is so pretentious, childish and know it all it really gets on my fucking nerves.
I bet that didn't even fucking happen. She put that vest on her dog for attention & then she thought up a story so she could preach, as she always does.
Just as Em has proven time and time again, she's disillusioned and will do anything for attention.
There's no service animal registry, at least in the United States. Legally they're just defined as a dog (or miniature horse) that's been trained to perform at least one task to assist a disabled person.
Any registry of service animals (or emotional support animals) is a scam.
I'm sure she's just using the dog for attention+clout but it would probably be hard to get her on any legal charges for that.
California state "Penal Code 365.7 PC – Knowing and fraudulent representation as owner or trainer of guide, signal or service dog; penalty. (“(a) Any person who knowingly and fraudulently represents himself or herself, through verbal or written notice, to be the owner or trainer of any canine licensed as, to be qualified as, or identified as, a guide, signal, or service dog, as defined in subdivisions (d),(e), and (f) of Section 365.5 and paragraph (6) of subdivision (b) of Section 54.1 of the Civil Code, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six months, by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment. (b) As used in this section, “owner” means any person who owns a guide, signal, or service dog, or who is authorized by the owner to use the guide, signal, or service dog.”)"
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And look at Em, leaking private messages because she doesn’t like the critique
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It's sort of ironic she's calling others petty and essentially unprofessional for 'bashing' them when she swept her own little drama here under the rug as quickly as possible.
As for 'bashing' I think that's harsh from her. People seemed to be more aware of how her language could have an effect on uneducated people than she did and when they did try to explain it a bit more her reply seemed a bit sarcastic.
Also, to note she has no clue about ESAs and was confused if they needed 'training' something I would expect a person needing an actually support animal would know already.
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It seems like she’s upset because they won’t forgive her for what she said on lolcow, she acts like she’s a victim in this lashing out because they bought up past drama.
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Everyone's the bad guy but Emozotic, because she said sorry that means everyone needs to move on and not remember how crazy she acted.
The reason people bring it up is because em's so judgy, whiny, always making herself the victim
or the savior.What she did says a lot about her character period. She may be on another site.
She acts like she's perfect.
A lot of hot keepers don't like him because he free handles his venomous snakes. Even if he tells viewers not to copy him, it's setting a bad example and poses an unnecessary risk that can affect the entire hobby if an accident happens and he's killed by his snakes. Responsible hot keepers don't free handle and kiss their cobras.
Also, in one video somewhere he showed that he had a quarantine rack for a new hot (I think it was a cobra?) set up in his kitchen. Just a regular plastic rack, in the non-snake-proofed kitchen with a dog walking around. Super dangerous and possibly illegal, I'm not sure what Florida's regulations are but I know in some places that would not be permitted. The rest of his snake room is perfectly safe and up to code.
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Afroherpkeeper went quiet on his discord for a while after people finally started noticing how shit his care is. He's finally posting a little more and he's doing the typical hoarder thing and breeding.
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Maria chimed in. I thought it was important since she played victim
so hard when all the drama came out. Wonder what made her forgive Em? Also I’m curious why they had to derail the original topic of Ems trophy dog, because I personally don’t care about her past drama at this point while I’m here watching her make service dogs look bad. She might not claim directly he’s a service dog but that’s what people think when you tell them your dog is working when it’s not, you take it everywhere like a toy, and slap a vest on it. It’s offensive to those out there that actually need service dogs, and pay for highly trained dogs.
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Speaking of Maria, she’s gotten more money out of her followers for her medical marijuana card, and is acting really cocky about it. I will never understand how people can throw money at people who sit around and do nothing for It.
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Tyler rugge: pls donate I can’t afford my rabbits vet bills!!!
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Anyone else watch AHK’s new “house tour” he posted on IG?
The former reptile room is overcrowded and wouldn’t be big enough for more than one person to comfortably get around in. It seems hazardous, it’s wall-to-wall enclosures. He has no room to upgrade any animals even if he wanted to, although his hoard is spilling over to his entire house now.
Some things I noticed:
1. His vision cage stack has several water bowls with low water and algae growing, these snakes have not gotten fresh water for a LONG time.
2. His Quaker parrot cage is barren and looks filthy. Why don’t these birds have more perches/toys? I went back to watch his older parrot vid and there is such a stark and sad contrast between now and then. What the hell happened? Did he use their enrichment for other animal enclosures and never give them anything new? Did he not replace things they chewed up? It’s inexcusable and cruel to keep intelligent parrots in such a grossly under-stimulating cage.
3. Wire wheel for his short tailed opossum. In the comments he says it’s “on the list” of things to get, yet another example of acquiring animals without being fully prepared. Wheels are not even expensive. And he plans on breeding them?
4. These are more nitpick but a snapping turtle in what can’t be more than a 110quart storage bin with no shelter/hiding spots and a shipping box full of what appears to be insects, including a vinegaroon in the kind of plastic cup you sell animals in at expos. Is it alive? Why is it not in an enclosure?
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I don’t remember him saying this was a sponsor or an ad or free at any point in the video, why would they send him a free tank worth thousands if it wasn’t a sponsorship or ad and wouldn’t he have to disclose that in the video if it was?
Leave it/drop it should be one of the first commands for a primitive breed dog in a house full of free-roaming prey animals. It’s not about puppies behaving badly- it’s the lack of training Emzotic is obviously not doing, and the risk it’s posing for her other animals and now the public with her claiming it’s an emotional support animal.
Also sage your shit
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Does anyone have more info on how many short tailed pythons destry karma has? She recently took in tnds very defensive STP, and is claiming she has three other stps (two bloods and a short tail) but she posted this list of her animals five weeks ago.
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Destrys awful pet care continued… this girl really is as bad if not worse then taylor.
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This account has since been taken down but I managed a few screenshots
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I'm not sure who made that account or where they have the info but it's worth looking into. This is gross
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More caps anon? I cant find the account
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Do we know for sure he didn't? There are people saying it was nice to meet him on his petfest post.
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I thought he didn't going off people on the last thread
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Burning incense and smoking weed in the same room as her rats and cresteds, (and probably cats and dog)… smart. None of those animals will develop URIs or anything I’m sure.
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Seems like she’s got a babysitting job
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Carolin is so dumb she thinks Amazon is saying her book is one of the best books in 2019.
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>>842912>organized a hate crime>hate crime
lmao people calling out your bad husbandry and technique isn't a hate crime
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And now she's leaving a 5 star review of her own book and complaining about everyone who rated it 1 star.
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Marias other feeder rat had a litter of 8
This makes me so so sad, those rats are going to be so unwell and their temperament is going to be poor regardless of how she raises them
Maria, you blocked me on Instagram so this is the only way to contact you, please don't breed these rats anymore
You don't have enough space or money for rat breeding, and the rats you own really shouldn't be reproducing based on their upbringing
Please stop, please
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TND liked it, encouraging this behavior not only to Maria but to her followers.
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Full photo from the tweet.
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Man she is the suck.
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Dumbass is reviewing her own book again after her other review got deleted.
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Yeah well TND gave it to her, the likes on her tweets about the rats have spiked since Taylor liked them.
Tinfoil but I think TND lurks this forum and not just her own, sees how much we hate maria and thinks she’s like her so she supports her to spite people who hate them both. As if no one would notice Taylor liking Marias SECOND accidental litter. Which she claims on her twitter that her boys and girls don’t interact which is such a lie or she wouldn’t have babies. I bet anything those babies don’t turn out all white.
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She has to by lying, she’s had those rats too long for it to have come to her pregnant like the other one did. Like other anon said, those babies probably won’t be all white and that’ll be enough proof she bred them, accident or not. All she’s gotten is praise, likes, and follows from this because of Taylor. This doesn’t deserve positive attention ffs.
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Yeh no idea when they could have met …
Look at that albino rat’s tail, it’s covered in poop !
I have owned albino rats before. There tails are suppose to be white. She does not clean her rats living space/rat themselves well. At least clean the tail for a photo.
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Don’t nitpick, their tails look marked in all the photos she posts of them, they don’t look dirty to me just different colored.
this thread is honestly shit at looking at a variety of people and their animal care. Some stuff may be posted and people will normally go 'ah lol, so back to x/y'. I assume it's because anons follow these people or know a bit more about the animals.
Whole Maria thing will die down like the Carolin did but I wouldn't be surprised if she's constantly self-posting here lmao
the baby rat colour doesnt really mean anything, i have accidentally bred two brown hooded rats and ended up with fully black, white, pale grey and brown babies, along with brown hoodeds
saged for blogpost but its pointless to use as evidence>>844077
yeah, this doesnt look like dirt
rats can have little colour variations in their tails like that, a rat will keep themselves clean regardless of their environment
what will be interesting is how clean the babies look, as the momma is unlikely to look after them based on her life
maria, if youre reading
raising baby rats is fucking difficult and expensive, even if nothing goes wrong (which is unlikely)
based on your comments about struggling with everything, you cannot do this
please stop, if you love your rats
birth and motherhood is such a huge strain on a doe, so if you love them youll stop
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First thing on her twitter today about how wrong we are and more about her schooling. Didn’t she already get banned? Obviously still lurks here as soon as she’s awake.
She’s talked about because she’s milky, and now has some support from TND as we’ve seen, so I’d like to keep on her and her care.
She has no idea what schooling anyone here has lmao
Also 'cowfarm'?? Am I missing the joke or are they stupid for thinking thats clever?
She claims to have all this knowledge, but smokes and burn insenses around creatures who are well known for dying from respiratory illnesses
Knowledge doesnt make you a good pet owner, you have to feel care and empathy towards the animals too
ANd Maria, if you are so all knowing and perfect, why did delete comments and block me and everyone else, then take that exact advice?
Stop pretending and grow up you selfish, spoilt child
Um no, those tails are covered in poop. I have cleaned many poopy rat tails.>>844396
My friends mom works in a rat lab place, so I’ve seen one. (sorry for any blogpost) the cages were clean, but the enrichment was pathetic. The cages were also very crowded. Different labs have different standards though.(blog)
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anyone have any opinions on clint's reptiles? i thought his videos were really interesting and educational because he shows such a huge variety of exotics and knows a lot of true facts about them, but now i'm getting really off-put and suspicious because he keeps shilling for breeding of spider ball pythons despite everyone knowing the morph causes horrible neurological issues that can kill the snake and that largely hinders their health and comfort, and now he keeps either pussyfooting around or implying it's delusional and "humanazing" to keep snakes NOT in barren, tiny almost empty plastic tubs.. like he seems very adamant about this, responds to people in the comments ONLY if they 100% agree with him on everything or he will respond to anyone simply stating that snakes inevitibly do better in size appropriate enclosures with hiding caves and some vines and plants etc, when we have tons of evidence of this, by saying shit like "whether you are right or wrong, lots of people will agree with this" and he also seems suspiciously supportive of brian barczyk but also refuses to fully admit it, just keeps sneaking around topics and then occasionally gets tons of backlash from people who now feel dumb for thinking he was a caring and educated snake keeper. when he posted a video essentially sucking up to brian's breeding of spiders and saying how he thinks it's okay to breed for the look of spider ball pythons despite the huge risk in purposely creating an animal that will live a painful miserable life and that may not be able to eat hardly, he got a lot of hate lol. but he just ignored that whole situation and pretended it never happened.
we also never get to see any of his animal enclosures ever, which makes me think maybe he hoards or keeps them all in the tubs that people find unethical and too bare and tiny..
I don't know how to feel about him. I loved how he does his videos where he compares reptiles but the spider morph video threw me off. Iirc he said that he breeds spiders and just makes sure the parents he breeds don't have a lot of wobble, so of course if he's making money off them then he's gonna be for breeding them.
Another thing that really threw me off and made me doubt him is his fire skink video, he claims in the video that they can be great beginner pets but like.. they're not? I have one and everyone who has one/wants one should know before they get one that they're burying skinks and can be very skittish so you will most likely never see them, unless you're able to work with them and even then it's a crapshoot. I only get to handle my girl once a month when I have to dig through the enclosure to find her, otherwise you only see them when you tong feed them-if they're not too shy for that. I just think he sometimes just states the best parts of a reptile (Calm, friendly, won't bite, etc.) And doesn't explain that not every one of that type of reptile is like that?? I think it's kind of irresponsible bc someone will watch a video and be like woah! I want a fire skink or whatever and then get one and they literally never ever see it bc that's just how they are??
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We already knew this based on the timeline. She had that rat too long for it to have come to her pregnant, she has been lying that it did come to her pregnant, and won’t admit that she messed up and either bred her with her boys on purpose or on accident.
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Begs for money for pets basic needs but can get a thousand dollar phone no problem. Saged because not really pet related just bothers me how these pettubers are so financially irresponsible.
It's not as simple as that in rodents. There are many many factors and parents carrying other dominant genes on other alleles will influence the outcome.
Unlike with reptile 'simple recessive' is not the way rat genetics work.
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jfc she’s keeping one of the babies, didn’t she say on Twitter her parents didn’t want her to? What happened to that?
Im not surprised that there are now scaleless BPs, especially because of beardies. If people were able to do that, it was only a matter of time…
as an anon above me said, there's a reason this mutation doesnt seem to happen in the wild. it's just unnatural. but apart from that, even if it's purely cosmetic, they's UGLY! why would anyone want a scaless anything?
Do you have a reference for this because when I was looking into many places stated that scientist studied whether they needed more moisture and it was determined they didn't and that they didn't loose moisture any faster then normal snakes. It is an older study and it possibly could be flawed or outdated.
I am quite curious about scaleless snakes mainly because I've not found many people who talk about their experience with them.
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rats don’t have a smell if you spot clean daily, like you should. I don’t want to spam with screen shots, but it’s really odd. maria is always retweeting taylors posts. she always is kissing taylors ass, saying taylor is free to dm her. I wouldn’t be surprised if this girl makes taylor a little uncomfortable. she is kinda a crazy fan who is trying to be a “I have depression and anxiety because it’s trendy” pettuber. I doubt taylor wants such a copy cat in the community. It annoys me that she lights incense and (tinfoiling) probably smoke weed about her rats. why does she talk about going to the dispensary so much ? she want to have the druggy appearance just like taylor. I just hope she stops breeding her rats, and takes better care of them. also stop exploiting all the weirdo guys in her instagram comments, that send her money. Maria is always taking photo with her tongue out, my tinfoil is it’s because she like all the creepy comments she gets on them. I wish pettubers would stop have “illnesses” that they clearly don’t have. Most people with those conditions don’t constantly tweet about it. Most people with anxiety have anxiety about people finding out their condition. especially social anxiety, and a few pettuber claim to have. Sorry for annoyed rant
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Notes app apology, because having a bad day excuses beating your dog i guess? Cant believe theres a handful of deluded fans defending her
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Well she’s in therapy for something. Also weed isn’t legal in NY so she must have her medical card.
God she even spits at the dog while pushing (?) him to the ground. I'm sure people have frustrating days with their dogs where training seems to be going shit, but they don't feel the need to hit or spit in their faces. Something you can literally see in the video even if she's partially cut off.
Her apology screams lazy too but that's not surprising. Training isn't the main issue here - she is.
that dog is going to end up biting someone and it will be her fault. fuck this cunt. none of these people have the emotional capacity to care for a fucking goldfish, why bother with dogs?
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Afroherpkeeper has 2 frogs of different species and baby catfish in this tank? Everyone in his discord is licking his ass but c'mon. That's pitiful keeping even baby catfish in that tiny amount of water. He could just keep one frog in there and it would be ok but he has to shove as much as possible in a 10g.
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soon people will stop sending her money if she keeps up being a bitch.
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I get it u vape. Wow so cool n edgy
uhh playing with tiny, fragile baby animals while intoxicated seems like a bad idea
i dont go near my young rats when im drunk or high because all it takes is one mishandle to break a leg(no1curr)
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Wasn't this guy discussed in the earlier threads?
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Pretty sure this might be Maria from a another device. Because how is this not about her animals lol ?
Yes people can be mad about you be high around your animals. I’m all for smoking a joint after a hard day at work. But I do not support handling baby rats, hedgehogs, reptiles hatchling, etc when your high af. People do stupid stuff high all the time, why even risk it ? And vaping still is NOT okay around animals. They can’t make that choice if you vape around them or not.
Also I love how she assumes I am broke, because I don’t value my phone brand or phone in general. Sorry that owning the next iPhone from a big company is not on my goal ? If you can all it that ? If even funny coming from someone who lives with their parents, can’t afford college, and owns animal that they can’t feed. Fuck she asks for money from strangers to feed her animal, pay for her medical card. At least I don’t ask for handouts. Fun fact medical cards areeeee not even expensive. ($50-$75) even if it was a medical issue, why wouldn’t her parents pay for it right away ? Alssooooo why does she need the thc ? Why doesn’t she just get cbd if it’s just for medical purposes. Then she would not be putting any baby animals at risk, because cbd just helps with pain and doesn’t get you high. I know cause I use it.
Also Maria or whatever ? You check lolcow daily, it’s so obvious. Don’t be hurting that people criticize you on a gossip form, if your are checking it so often. Just close turn off ur phone.
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what rumors ? if you don’t like lolcow, take your own advice. also your Twitter is public. I feel like it was just made for only lolcow. She doesn’t get any likes on Twitter. mostly she gets zero like on most her posts. That’s why I think the majority of her post are for lolcow. She has no audience, besides us. kinda sad. We should just ignore her, and she will probably delete her Twitter over time. >>851341
Are you high ? It has to be her, I can smell the weed and rat shit (doesn’t spot clean daily, need incense to cover rat smell) through my phone.
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if it makes ur eyes water, maybe not good for baby rats
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Insanity. Her parents can’t/don’t even keep track of her pets.
>>852631>picking it up in their hands out of the water within first 10 seconds
God dammit I'm gonna be genuinely mad by the halfway point aren't I.
Correct:>sponge filter>using actual sand rather than gravel>knowing that light and overfiltration will stress it
WTF NO:>PUTTING IT INTO A BRAND NEW TANK OF HOSE WATER WTF CYCLE THAT SHIT 'days later' WHAT THE FUCK THAT IS NOT A TWO DAY PROCESS>square tank>constantly calling a sponge filter an 'aerator' and thinking it's there for oxygen>using a sponge filter AND a power filter>hide too small for it even now when it's small, so it may scratch itself trying to get in when it's bigger>sign at the pet store says requires a 10 gallon tank>DON'T PUT A FUCKING PLECO IN THERE ARE YOU RETARDED DON'T YOU PUT A DAMN OTHER THING IN THERE
Honestly the sign at the store shoved most of the essentials in his face and it saved most of the damage. I'd still say Taylor's care is way worse. Tanks are about on par, but Taylor putting Mushu in iodine absolutely infuriates me.
He can get away with using a powerfilter if he adds some plants or something to baffle the current. Better than the opposite of thinking they don't need filters like a betta. But no matter what filter he sticks with, he needs to add plants (real or fake I don't care, just get some) and a bigger hide. They can get just up to or just shy of a foot long.
If he's still only feeding it bloodworms it's not the best but not really the worst either. Ideally you'd give a mix of bloodworms and earthworms. Only giving one or the other isn't unheard of, though, some lotls can be picky eaters. Mine absolutely refuses bloodworms and only wants earthworms. It's like a kid that doesn't want vegetables.
Now AntsCanada's attempt at keeping an axolotl on the other hand…
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she mentions her cousin often.
He originally got it to put in his ant enclosure, intending to keep it in a tiny amount of water WITH HIS CRAWFISH, and expecting it to eat only dead ants. Also the whole entire video, it's panicking HARD. They normally are pretty darn sedentary, even during water changes and stuff. And it visibly starts kicking at its gills at one point.
Granted he did eventually move it out, but only after people freaked the fuck out. Fuck this made me mad.
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she just lying. Also I understand she does not have a huge following now. She stated she has no homes planned out for her baby rats, and is going to keep them. Why is she breeding without finding homes (found homes for only two rats, going to friend) ahead of time ? She should not smoke by her animals. I don’t remember a selfie, so you ???
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maria is back to tracing. im pretty sure she never stopped. Why doesnt she use her time to practice drawing instead of
practicing fooling people she can draw ? also these are the five rats she is considering keeping.
nothing to do with pet care and she is seriously getting irritating now
stop giving the stupid girl attention
It's not exactly a surprise. People keep bringing her up or she her self is self-posting and a good half of the time it's either been talked about or isn't problematic
and here I thought summer was over.
so which selfposter is this?
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Looks like Maria isn’t keeping all 5 albinos anymore
i swear to god every pettuber has their head up their ass. i just started watching this person's videos (WinslowThaDragon i mean) and her best friend who is apparently even learning professionally about fish in college was talking about bettas and she said bettas only live 6 MONTHS or 2 years MAXIMUM ever, and so people naturally corrected her friend in the comments and her level of snarky, overly defensive responses turned me off a lot lol. she got pissed and said "well she's my best friend so i don't want to hear anyone say anything about her and she doesn't study bettas so.. whatever" to multiple people. if she doesn't know anything, why is she saying totally false stuff? i like some of her videos though. but i literally cannot find a single pettuber who just simply owns and discusses animals without either being negligent, borderline abusive
, or psychotic/rude/overly defensive and spreading misinformation.
I'm pretty sure rat/corn are a naturally occurring hybrid.
Many breeders are against hybridizing any species. Honestly I don't think its black and white issue. There ares some species that do fine as hybrids and some that do awful.
The real question is whether the hybrids can live long healthy lives and reproduce without complication. Which considering snake discovery is breeding rat/corn hybrids together and not breeding a rat snake to corn snake, I think its safe to say they can at least reproduce properly.
Whether you want to support that practice is up to you, I haven't seen any actual proof yet that there is an issue with it. Though I'm always open for someone to present that proof.
She has a video of shaving a cat too but from what I saw it could have probably just been brushed out. Usually shaving cats or heavily matted dogs is really the last resort when all else fails - unless obviously requested by the owner.
What a mess.
Yeah I remember that video, I felt so sorry for the cat. It 100% could have been brushed out. To be honest, most of the matting she points out is just impacted undercoat and could be brushed out pretty easily. >>858984
Yeah I used to watch her too, before I quickly realised her attitude and practice were terrible. I honestly don't think she knows how to do anything but a 'shave' on an animal. Like there are plenty of good groomers out there who will trim fur (out of dogs eyes etc.) without shaving the whole animal. She also often uses her clients as an excuse "Well they don't want to brush their dog". Sure but that doesn't make shaving the animal the best option… maybe teach them how to brush the dog? Set up regular grooming appointments with them?
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We get it Maria, you smoke weed. Also what’s up with their ears? Mostly the one on the right. That doesn’t look normal.
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More examples of bloody or marked up ears, also did she ever take the one rat with the eye problem to the vet or is she continuing to claim it’s just half blind? I’m amazed someone even wanted these babies from her, terrible genetics, their ears are all tattered or bloody. And this girls in school to be a vet tech!? Yikes.
It could easily be the early signs of mange mites on their ears although some of it looks more like porphyrin staining to me.
Rats tears and nasal mucus is red because of porphyrin. In situations where rats are not cleaning themselves properly you can see staining on their fur and ears. This can happen in older rats or rats kept in dirty conditions.
Rats will also fight and scrap with one another and the ears is a favourite target for getting tugged on and bitten. So some of that could be scabs.
I've taken in rats from all sorts of conditions and you'd be surprised at how much a little bath cleans up their fur and ears if they've been kept in dirty cages.
From these photos I would lean heavily towards staining and small play wounds. And would clean and separate the rats into groups accordingly (to avoid any one rat being bullied too much) to avoid any further injury… not that I think she'll do that.
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All 5 went to her friend
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Seems to be all boys at least.
I hope her friend has the financial means to take care of 12 rats, rats are too easy to hoard. Don’t know enough besides a first name to find her on anything though.
Saged for not really contributing anything new.
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How can she talk like this about her own family but still stans Taylor? I know it’s not pet related so I saged but the way she sucks up to Taylor and spent so much time defending her all this time, she hates her sister for doing drugs? Makes sense.
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This seems like a jab at TND to me, tinfoil? Would be funny if it is.
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since she already smokes and burns incense near them, this doesn't surprise me
bitch is asking for her rats to get RTIs.
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human hair dye on a rat
Not to WK but these temporary colors are what groomers use on animals, this brand, manic panic, arctic fox, and similar vegan dyes are animal safe.
But ew she needs to clean her room I can’t imagine what the rest of it looks like or smells like. She’s got like a whole 12 pack of soda behind her. Imagine the bugs she probably has.
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birds and tortoises have long life’s spans.
hedgehogs and hamsters have medium life spans. what happened to those animals ? I wonder.
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Here’s the rest of that thread.
Her and her friends probably have biased views.>>862813>>862797
(+ some of the other caps)
She's an idiot but this is blatant lolcow baiting.
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It doesn’t even look good, poor rat.
The cats not as big of a deal they’re not as sensitive it doesn’t need to be posted here because it’s just not milky enough to post here. It’s annoying she has to be the quirky stoner chick and name them Cheech and Chong. Wonder what her parents think of those names since she uses weed “medicinally”
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Oh she already has that covered.
Bathing rats can be especially dangerous, like water up their nose can lead to a fatal URI, people reccommend against it unless its really really needed
like blogpost but my boy had to be bathed and even with loads of care still ended up with a serious URI (with a $200 vet bill) so like doing it for fun is pretty disgusting
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She posted about how he wasn’t stressed because she knows him best so it’s okay. Still not addressing the fact that they have sensitive skin.(self-posting)
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She’s never getting a job and leaving home at this rate, what’s the incentive? Mommy and daddy are even giving her their bedroom to accommodate the animals she snuck into the house, the ones they told her no to in the first place. How long before that room becomes cramped with more animals? Because it’s obvious there’s no repercussions for bringing home random animals.
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She reeks of TND vibes, this stuff doesn’t help either. Munchie behavior. Sage for not animal related.
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I guess she has a rabbit. I had no idea, she doesn’t really talk about them. I’m pretty sure from these posts that it’s live outside in a rusty cage. alone.
This is supposed to be a pet youtuber thread and everytime an actual problematic
petuber with an actual following is brought up the topic is immediately switched back to maria. Can we please stay on topic
I think the problem we're facing with discussing other channels is the fact that some of us don't watch them or know enough. If we could agree on good summaries of why they're bad, what they have done and linking videos with a description/timestamp or something it would just be a bit easier?
For example, with stuff like AfroHerpKeeper it's pretty clear there's very few people that follow him or know about the species he owns so the conversation there is a bit dead even if it really does seem like a bad hoarding case.
i really hate when people argue the whole 'they're eating and they're moving so it's fine!'. At the end of the day, their behaviour isn't normal for a snake and while they may not show 'obvious' signs of stress, it doesn't mean much. Also the whole 'I have seen no evidence of that' is so bs. You have a sample of one maybe two snakes that are a few years old, and even if you did see evidence you wouldn't exactly report on it.
All in all, I think the whole spider question falls to morals more than ethics because there's so much conflicting information (probably due to how newly 'updated' the hobby is) that won't come into agreement for a while.
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You left out the peacock rescue, anon!
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I FOUND MAGGOTS EATING ON FLAIR MY RESCUED PEACOCK!
Carolin von Petzholdt
Published on Aug 26, 2019
A young peahen (peacock) has been hit by a car and somehow I just happen to drive by right after the accident happens. I saw it in the middle of the road alive surrounded by her flock. I tried to find a wildlife sanctuary for her to go too and also I called animal control and humane society. Both agencies wanted to kill the poor peacock that we named Flair. No wildlife sanctuaries are currently taking in new birds. A day later we brought flair to an avian vet to look at her wounds and broken wing and for her to get medical treatment and antibiotics.
This sweet girl is a fighter and she’s determined to live! We found maggots eating on Flair and we needed to act fast and get these bugs out of her wounds. So today we are flushing her wounds and re-bandaging her.
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So we just ignore this?(maria posting)
Maria's selfposting, collected. and this is only what's been marked so far in this thread.
Motion to ignore?
I say ignore too, this attention whore is going to end up purposely killing an animal just so she gets a post or two written about her. You know you're a nobody when you get outed self posting 6 separate times and no one even cares.
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did anybody notice how severely over grown Tyler Rugge’s macaw’s beak is in his house tour video? He used to have three birds which I don’t understand how he was able to give them the appropriate amount of attention with his 50+ pets.
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he’s been posting pictures of gizmo with a better trimmed beak. looks like someone has been lurking lol
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another picture taken from a video
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Oh god ahc stans asking him if hes going to more animals
“These are bird behaviors”
Okay but your birds could hurt each other/themselves and you’re not??? Stopping them??? Like I don’t get why she is basically show casing how badly trained/stimulated/cared for her animals are but that’s really most of the people in this thread
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Sooo this isn't a video dump if you have something to say about the video post it like this:
Do you see his views on the last couple videos they haven't even hit 20000 and his views haven't even hit like they used to I know he's suffering for money
Poor babies, just looking at the thumbnail I don't want to click on it.
I don't know anything about hamster care, but if anyone wants to see cool hamster foraging builds check out Simi TV.
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I’m sorry, but what the actual fuck
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It’s going to be like her rats where she can’t figure out when they had contact and “whoops they had surprise babies” again. If she’s already having problems with what she has at day one, I don’t get why she needs more other than a pure impulse buy(self post)
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(selfpost, ban evading)
photo editing exists, also funny that she just happens to know that shes on the thread again
someone please make her a thread to talk to herself, im so tired of her name here and its all pointless
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The cheapest actually scaleless (not het) corn snake available on morph market right now is $350. He should really be saving up that kind of money for the next vet bill he’s unable to afford.
It really doesn’t matter if the animal was free. Between enclosure, food and vet bills that snake will cost him thousands.
Getting free stuff has been what he’s used to continue to justify this behavior. After he got a custom aquarium when Desmond was sick, he justified that it was free…then proceeded to post about buying 20 new fish.
Seems like he’s trying to get all the promotion deals he can get, but dude…do the deals HAVE to involve more animals you can’t afford??
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I’m pretty sure Emzotic and Danny broke off their engagement. She changed her Facebook relationship status to single, tweeted about something difficult, and they no longer follow eachother on Twitter. I’m honestly shocked.
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shocking. There are a few things about Danny I imagine would put strain on a relationship, but Em seemed to totally look past them. Looking into possible reasons for the split now. Would love to see any info/tinfoil about this.>>883553
That might not mean anything, since she said such awful things about herself and everyone else. Worth a fresh read, though.
She's making a lot of sense here. (Granted, she's capable of god-tier dishonesty.)
If this vlog is any indication, she's lowkey having a breakdown.
Looool - the your story bit?
On another note, I wonder how this will impact her animal numbers (because we know they share a lot of them and we haven't even seen some), as well as housing and job.
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It’s not Em. She posted that picture herself on twitter. She and Danny just bought a house together too… if they truly did break up I don’t think she has a legal right to be in the USA anymore- pretty sure she’s just on a visa. If she moves back to the UK that means abandoning all her animals again.
Don't they 'run' some educational animal thing together?
If anything, it's probably her stalking this thread endlessly/needing attention simply due to her past behaviour and likely selfposting here again
Play-Doh is non-toxic
. Kids eat it all the time. As long as the hamster isn’t chowing down on it (there’s a lot of salt in it) it’s probably fine.
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I’m super sorry to bring her back.
but holy fucking shit
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Yeah honestly I felt conflicted about posting her tweets about the dead rats, I just wanted a record of it I guess.
I am kinda thinking she is abusing animals to get noticed on this forum, because she tweeted about “no one talking about her on lolcow lately”
I am never going to post about her again because I feel like she thrives on people paying attention to her. She has basically no twitter followers. And by just looking at her like to follower radio on instagram, majority of her instagram followers are bots
I’m sorry for ever posting about her on this forum, she is just a nobody who would kill her rats to get attention from anyone. Best thing to do is pretend like she doesn’t exist
Kek this >>887823
was obv sarcasm
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I thought she’d posted about them overcoming anything earlier this month. I think she deleted it, but I found Danny’s response interesting.
Honesty they both come across as potentially toxic
. I honestly won’t believe anything until they state it because I also don’t put it past them to start drama for attention. All the vague posting comes across like a cry for attention.
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Em has been hitting at abuse for a few days now
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ya know total tinfoil - but wouldn't be surprised.
She's falling into the whole thing she did with her miscarriage a while ago when she made a whole video and was basically… almost glorifying it?
I think in her positioning as an influencer of sorts, she needs to learn to shut up until everything is sorted and then make a whole video or whatever about the issue
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Possible track marks on her arm? She really is a little TND wanna be. Her sub count keeps going up, albeit slowly, it’s still climbing which is concerning.(self post)
I'm not sure if this has been covered, but Camelsandfriends was in the news last month: https://www.gvnews.com/news/pima-county-woman-placed-on-probation-in-animal-cruelty-case/article_9217b366-ea11-11e9-a5ef-b739f138f0a6.html
Her camels apparently both escaped early this year:https://my929.iheart.com/featured/cyndi-chris/content/2019-02-13-roaming-camels-are-back-home/
Here's a collection of other news stories about her: https://www.gvnews.com/search/?k=%22alex%20warnock%22#tncms-source=keyword
She's had animals removed and was facing cruelty charges.
I would occasionally pop by her channel a few years back when she was primarily talking about her camels, but I had no idea she ended up being this neglectful.
She apparently has claimed to be receiving cancer treatment when her camels escaped, but based on her past shady behavior and grifting, I don't know, I take it with a grain of salt (as much as I don't want to believe she'd lie about that)
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Em posted Danny on her insta stories today, there goes that separation tin foil
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On Danny's Twitter.
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“ItS aNiMaL aBuSe”
Smokes weed around animals anyway(self post)
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that's cause it's a reupload from a few months ago. he privacy complained and got the original video taken down and also tried it with this one. he wrote a whiny comment about it on instagram, the victim
complex is real
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I dont understand this emma and her wanting to get purebred animals?
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Picture dump of her complaing when people called her out.
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There is no excuse for a person who raises 80+ animals to be nervous over a dog. This excuse is shit.
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Last one. Im done with the pet community. Go help at a cat/dog sanctuary. Find a mentor thats not to do with breeders.
No, they're primitive working dogs from Siberia. If she owns a big backyard it's a good choice, they're easy to train and friendly with other animals but need a lot of exercise and prefer to be outdoors.
Price tag is like for a champions bloodline. No idea what are rules for Samoyed awards, for other shepherd breeds it's a test of their intelligence and trainability. I'd expect extremelly intelligent and patient dog.
What I don't understand is why she's getting a dog in the first place. She has accumulated a lot of pets this year, even in the past few months. She buys a lot and then seems to not even take the time to enjoy spending time with them before she gets something else. She has been talking about upgrading her gecko enclosures for a while, but hasn't done so, even though they are obviously in small enclosures. At least the leachianus gecko seems too big for its enclosure.
Also, it surprises me that no one posted about her tweets about her period issues. She tweeted that she has been too sick to even go downstairs and feed the cat, so she called her boyfriend to come home from work.. Seems like a very healthy situation to collect as many animals as she has, and then she's getting a dog.. There is no slacking off with dogs.
Honestly, I'm just totally concerned for her and her animals at this point
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Do as I say but not as I do.
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She's a fairly new YouTuber, but please do not hold your venomous snake this close to your face. I had worries when she first mentioned getting a venomous snake, because she anthropomorphises her ball pythons and thinks they love each other/her. Malaysian mangrove snakes are not deadly, but any venomous snake should be handled carefully.
I dont know who the fuck you hang out with, but I don't know a single person who would willingly give their dog chocolate, even a small bit as a "treat". While some may not know about the toxicity of some other foods like garlic, everyone knows chocolate is toxic
to dogs. Giving it to them "as a treat" encourages them to eat something that's poisonous to them, and is flat out retarded.
Are we really going to derail a thread over chocolate?
People feed their dogs plenty of unhealthy shit.
she literally tells people not to do it in that post, then says that she does it anyway
chocolate is 'unhealthy', its literally toxic
, as em herself states
Honestly Em is the biggest let down. The first few early videos of her I watched I was excited to see a pet tuber sharing a lot of interesting facts and really featuring the animal. But I always had this uncomfortable feeling about her so when I looked up mote it was so clear she is a toxic
person. Even with all her justification behind her breeder dog, and taking him everywhere calling him a service dog etc when anyone who knows dogs can see he’s missing core parts of his training, and if she is aware of all the care that goes into a dog she’s clearly ignoring by feeding him these foods. We know other people feed their dogs junk but other people don’t also say “look at me for advice on animal care”
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is she fucking retarded?? (and this comes from a person with autism) like how stupid must you be to spew shit like that. the day before yesterday i waited for an hour at the vets because they had an emergency call about a german shepherd, exclusively fed raw, that was throwing up and having diarrhea after his meal and they had to do a gastric lavage. let people choose the best choice for their animal for fucks sake(blog)
These YouTubers would be far better promoting good commercial diets (which exist, just have to pay a bit extra for them) rather than diets that should include constant appointments with your vet (which the majority of people don't do) as well as being very careful with portions and nutrition.
At one point or another you're literally better off feeding your pet a shitty commercial diet.
Healthy dogs and cats very, very rarely actually get ill from Salmonella, and a lot of healthy dogs carry Salmonella in their digestive tract. It's not as big an issue with them.
People cause more issues in anthropomorphising their dogs.
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Why does every pettuber seem to be bad? Is it because most reptile keepers are like them, or is there some correlation with becoming popular, and a poor pet owner?
Because more animals/new pet videos make much more money than others do so gotta keep buying new pets to get more views! Then once you have 40 animals theres no way to care for them all
Also drama = views, so if you start posting pics of sick animals or how they have died, even more views
Its just a views = money game for them I think, the animals are just pawns in it
It's not a very interesting video and it's all over the place. There's nothing much about her family or Danny, so just skip it if that's what you were hoping for. Here's a summary:
- Says she will probably delete this video soon, wants to start fresh in 2020 with lots of amazing and exciting content bla bla. More creature features, more collabs with other creators are coming. She wants to do high-budget investigative animal documentaries talking about "interesting topics around animal culture" every few months.
- Was diagnosed with bipolar II two years ago. She feels "really strong" lately but is nervous to talk about it; she's afraid other people will think she's "damaged." She gets a lot more hypomania than depressive episodes generally but has been in a big depressive episode for a few months.
- Her depressive episodes are triggered
by traumatic events, and the last six months have been full of traumatic events for her.
- She moved. The place she was "renting until a couple of months ago" didn't work out because her landlords were shitty about maintenance and "more and more people were hanging around" which she didn't like. (Not sure what place she's talking about? I thought she and Danny owned the place they were living, with the basement full of mystery animals etc. Maybe I'm wrong.) Her "family" and the landlords had a lot of conflict and the tenancy ended very badly, so they moved in a hurry.
- Three of her four grandparents have died this year and she didn't "get to" go to any of the funerals. (Because of moving?)
- She wants to be more private about her family and relationship with Danny because people don't "need to know" everything. She feels too much pressure to show herself and Danny as being a "perfect couple" but she says they are not. That is literally all she says about Danny in this video.
- Grinchy died after their move. He was struggling a lot and "wasting" away. They are not sure what he died of. Says maybe the bacterias from her other animals or the habitat might have been the cause of his death because she assumes his immune system was compromised (though she says later that post-mortem tests didn't indicate any illnesses, so this sounds like conjecture).
- She feels guilty about his death as she was trying to rehome him to a zoo in Florida and didn't get to in time. She thought the winters in NJ were too harsh on him and he'd be better off somewhere that is warmer through more of the year, where he would have other birds to chill with. (She includes the screenshot of her rehoming message, which embarrassingly includes her saying that rehoming him is difficult because "hundreds of thousands of people" love him on Youtube.)
- She insists that Grinchy was very happy, attached to her, and well taken care of. She tried the hardest with him out of any animal she's ever had and loved him more than any other bird. She is still grieving him and feels guilty that she didn't rehome him sooner. She is crying throughout this section of the video. Says she wants to scatter Grinchy's ashes in Africa one day and use his "legacy" to teach more people about the plight of wild-caught birds.
- Her designer dog is napping near her she keeps trying to get him on camera to show him off. She is apparently taking him to VidCon.
- All of her other animals are "thriving." She is considering getting another ferret because her two current ferrets are getting older and she is afraid one will die and leave the other alone. Neither one of them is showing signs of illness or old age yet, this is just the reasoning she is providing for getting a third ferret.
- She is writing a book, which will be released around March 2020. Sounds like it'll be about her various experiences as an animal caretaker. She wants to do a book tour to meet more fans, both in the US and worldwide.
- Wants to start her own line of "pet products." Not very specific on this. Also wants to start a web space for her fans to hang out on. Not sure what kind of site she means.
- Hopes that people will be "kind" and not "rude" about the things she shared in this video. Says she can deal with rude comments if she has to.
- Says the pet community has had its ups and downs – "I would know laugh
." (Hi Em.) Other pettubers have been really supportive to her lately and there are lots of amazing creators who are wonderful people, so she thinks the future of pettube is promising.
I wonder if her manic episode is what made her reveal herself on here.
As for Grinchy, didn't she get him a companion? If I remember this right, what's happening with that bird?
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Noooodlefarm from Instagram
This is the actual dumbest most irresponsible shit I’ve seen.. this chick is an attention whore who clearly has no true regard for her animals safety. Her posts have been overall kind of fine, albeit still attention craving and annoying but this is insane. So many things could go so wrong here for her animals, not even just to her retard self.
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Wow, so you mean to tell me that people who get their undergrad + vet school + required courses to specialize on avian medicine don't know as much as you? Carolin, you've almost killed your birds SO many times. Why do these pet tubers always believe their basic knowledge somehow puts them on expert levels?
Her video needs more exposure simply because KIDS are saying 'I won't ever take my pet to the vet'
May not be a big deal now but once they grow up and remember some psycho saying that shit, it will be their decision to take that animal to the vet
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Ants Canada keeping a tarantula in a tiny cage. Like seriously it takes up a third of the cage
Found this guy through reccomended vids, Jacob Feder. He claims to perform a lot of "rescues", including a guinea pig in a Pet Smart dumpster, a baby bird that ran into a window, a rabbit from his grandmas, a bird in a PetSmart parking lot, rainbow turtles in a plastic bag, and a pregnant dog tied to a dumpster in the last 4 months.
He says in the vid that the rabbit died within a day and a half of him getting it. Generally acts like an obnoxious youtuber the entire time and asks the viewers to leave a comment saying what they think he died of. The parking lot bird's first vid was posted Oct. 6th and he announced the death Oct. 13th.
He has a series called catch and cook, where he eats what he claims to be wild caught animals.
He promotes a place called the Zoological Wildlife Foundation, which has baby lions and jaguars. It seems like a pretty sketchy place, and some of the results claimed the owner is a drug kingpin? Not sure how credible that is yet.
There's a lot to look into here still – Jacob links his Instagram and his Tiktok in the description of every video.
Lennon The Bunny can be obnoxious at times (this >>906656
but, I'll give her credit for this video response. She points out everything wrong with the way he handled the rabbit and questioned why he didn't take it to the vet immediately if he seriously thought the rabbit was sick.
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Because the best way to get attention online is anonymous forums.
This shit doesn't surprise me. I used to watch her when she barely had any subs and now she's let all that Youtube money go to her head.
She actually compared herself to Nicki Minaj on Instagram not long ago, talking about how people can't understand "people like us" who have money, after she bought three of her friends "expensive" cars. Please.
Those poor dogs are better off without her, and I'm sure they'll find a way better home. One that doesn't have shit all over the carpet.
everyone in the comments thinks its hilarious, jesus christ
also why dye your dog neon pink? it looks beyond stupid
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Everyone should read the reddit thread and upvote it. There is information about her animal abuse that isn’t even recorded on lolcow. She can’t even pay for her pet bills while buying gucci
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She definitely does not need a special needs Savannah….I'm glad the Savannah has a home, but she seems to be getting a new animal every couple weeks
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Someone is acting like Taylor (making your parents care for your pets then calling them out on social media for what they do wrong)
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Stress doesn't equal calm and happy. New animals should be left alone for at least. Week, not have their head stroked and be held for selfies
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Someone quoted this guy’s thread on the #taylornicoledean twitter hashtag. The person on tik tok is young_rari and her animals look awful.
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I’ll start with enclosure shots. Not sure if the fish is in the travel container or stream area. I don’t have tik tok, but this video was posted on Twitter. She is discussing all the vines for her new chameleon to climb on.
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Other half of the enclosure. You can see the chameleon hiding in the top corner.
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The chameleon. I believe he is a new pet. Seems stressed to me.
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I don’t know much about salamanders, but this seems like A LOT in one enclosure.
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Disgusting on so many levels.
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As a rabbit owner, this salad is horrific. Usually, you’d at least show your best salad on social media, and I am praying it doesn’t get worse than this. The only proper nutrition is in the three spinach leafs.
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Watching again, it appears to be 4-5 goldfish in there.
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Someone needs to take these rats away from her.(stop it maria)
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Does she not know how to use Google? It says right here that they don't recommend using their dye on animals that frequently groom themselves.
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> apologizes for taking her book off the market
> new edition of the BEST BEST SELLER lmao
> the whole free fly community loves it
> the bird community loves it
> everybody loves it
> delusions about selling 2000 copies in a month
This woman is really something else lol
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Noooodlefam is absolute cancer and i just found out about it yesterday from my friend who called her out. She calls herself a venomous keeper when she has a boiga dendrophilia melanota (mangrove snake, which is REAR FANGED), has "venomous keeper" in her bio, fucks with the snake all the time and handles it like a ball python, and literally said she would freehandle a rattlesnake if she liked it's temperament. this is a screenshot someone got her from personal account
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Emma just posted this
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Those tinfoils were right.
Tinfoil but by mentioning courts and intervention services you think he was getting physically abusive
with her? She’s been awfully quiet about it, which is honestly much more believable than TNDs cry for attention.
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There’s more to this post but here’s Danny’s side of the story(subjectfag)
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Hinting at a lawsuit.
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Sorry image didn’t post, more to what he posted
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She got physical with him apparently. Wow emtoxic is worse than I thought.
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So much tea, this is just sad.
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Idk how to pull the link off the app but here’s some screenshots
“I won’t speak about it, but here’s some vague posts and discredited evidence that will manipulate my viewers in believing my narrative”
Emtoxic is back, guys
damn why the fuck would she move from the UK to to there then? surely going unmedicated is a recipe for disaster.
one thing I'm glad of is that the basement full of animals is no more. wonder if em got any of the animals they had?
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are you baiting or has she deleted everything? that's the only thing I see
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she sounds mentally unhinged… unsurprisingly
Let’s look at emtoxic’s track record:
-made dozens of abusive
posts about Taylor, her PetTube friends, and herself on here for months.
-The only reason she stopped bullying them was because she was exposed
-regularly posts the images of her first ferret with blood smeared on its nose to memorialize her miscarriage
-would make posts demonizing ex-bfs while comparing how well Danny treats her (ex: White Castle story)
-admits in her last video that she has been mentally unstable to the point she has not been able to post regularly on youtube for the past couple months
-says she’s not going to talk about it, but name drops DASI and the courts to manipulate her young audience
Danny has receipts whiles Em just has her designer dog
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she is lying but okay. She has been going off on her twitter but I don’t want to spam.
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nice projection there. are YOU enjoying this, em?
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Really Em? Is this really the best time to be promoting your book?
Imagine faking domestic violence so you could sell something to your underaged audience. Fuck her
if this was right after all the domestic abuse shit thats hhaunting
going from 'my life is in danger and im scared' to 'uwu boss babe book #omg' feels very very off
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Claims all animals were his except the few he listed, so looks like almost all of the animals are gone from the house.
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I combed through all the comments and one of her claims was him watching horror movies was mental torture despite the fact she’s been in them?
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If all this is true I think Em might have honestly gone off the deep end.
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wonder what the deleted tweet was
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No idea what it was but here’s some sperg from earlier she deleted.
Her going off is only making Danny’s story more believable. Saying “he’s NOTHING without me” is so abusive
and controlling, and something a narcissist says.
Umm, sorry to break it to you, but she did say that right here >>931877
Her repeating how he has nothing left is the only embellishment going on here. Take your the nitpicking elsewhere
Both of her tweets have the same exact implication. Just because she didn’t say it verbatim does not make it less abusive
nor take away the implication that he has nothing because she’s no longer with him. But have fun policing their situation
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Derailing from the em stuff for a moment, apparently SolidGold sold all of her equipment a couple of months ago with no official update? Anyone have any more info on this? I know she had struggles with her health but it seems odd she hasn’t addressed this at all so I hope she’s doing okay
What does he say about AA after she talks about the woman being his sponsor?
Also, wasn't there a period where they were clearly together then went on a 'break' before getting back together? Unless she also fabricated that obviously
from my understanding he yells "it's alcoholic fucking anonymous" as in "I couldn't tell you I was talking to her about drinking because that would break the confidentiality of an anonymous support group".
The clip doesn't reveal much context either. It might not even be Danny who was the one looking for support for drinking.
He might just have been contacted by his female friend for some advice with AA or whatever, and it would still make it a big no no to reveal that to anyone else.
When I first heard the clip it did sound nasty, but I got stuck thinking about it for a while and what was said in it could have been many different things depending on context.
That + if you were woken up at 2am by Emtoxic going batshit over simply taking to a human of the opposite sex you’d probably start screaming to get away from you too. It’s not like he was caught cheating, which I would understand a drastic reaction but… just talking to a female friend?? That already shows how manipulative, creepy and toxic
she is to be keeping tabs on everything he’s doing during his sleep. Jesus.
The only thing about that clip I do wonder is the kids. He says they never saw them argue but if that’s true that must have been hard for them to wake up in the middle of the night hearing their parents scream at the top of their lungs at one another.
Yeah snooping through your partners devices and accounts is toxic
as shit. It’s quite possible the kids were with their actual mother when this happened maybe, who knows. Hopefully.
Yeah I read through all his comments on facebook and it looks like she tried to convince him he had a problem with alcohol so he was messaging a friend who was in AA to get advice. She went through his phone and freaked out when she saw the messages at 2 in the morning. Woke him up screaming and freaking out. He attempted to leave and go into the office when she wouldn’t listen or calm down. While in there he smashed a tripod against the chair before trying to calm back down.
She then followed and began again screaming and getting his face. He loses his cool and yells back for a minute or so. She used her hand to make it sound like he’s shoving her, which was disproven in court.
Then at the end as he tried to again calm the situation down she throws and hits him with a book leaving a bruise that was he submitted pictures of.
I realize I'm a week late, but I was going through old threads and remembered that she herself suggested this when she was posting anonymously in here summer before last.>>610236
So, even if it is a tin foil, she was the first to suggest it. kek.
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looks like em now only has the dog, ferrets and a couple of snakes and lizards.
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Nooooodlefam is an idiot. The tarantula community doesn't even really support handling new world tarantulas, it's stressful for them and not beneficial.
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good god i feel bad for kait
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Emzotic’s social blaze rn. Oof
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Here’s where she shipped her skunk off too, apparently Puddin has arthritis
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Image that talks about arthritis (she was renamed when she got rehomed)
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Didn’t see anyone post about noodlefam breeding her spider ball python…
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Well now this is some tea. She gave Daniel's pets away wow.
She responded to his post on her Instagram story as well.
I would post but i have no idea how to on mobile apologies.
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Picture dump I don't know if it's the right order or not but here's the conversation between Danny and the person who has the skunk
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Here’s a cap of Danny’s IG comments saying his “so happy comment” didn’t exist
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then immediately saying the “so happy” comment was sarcasm even though he said he never made it? They’re both liars
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Here is the screenshot from Em’s story of Danny commenting that he was so happy on the post about the skunks being rehomed
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Family member claiming Emma killed Danny’s fishes.
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Danny claiming Emma mistreated the ferrets.
I think they are both talking out their asses at this point, probably both incredibly vile toxic people, it’s like watching a contest of who can drop the most “hints” about what happened, tell people or shut up.
I wouldn't be surprised at ALL if emzotic's animal care hasn't been consistently good tbh. she seems to lead a pretty hectic life and has had some major depressive episodes in the past. I think she's even talked about in her videos how her animals were neglected during those times.
and while it maybe isn't abuse, smearing your ferret with your miscarriage blood is weird and unsettling.>>936208
she's clueless about fishkeeping but no ones that stupid… if it's true it had to be some weird psychotic revenge thing.
surprised he isn't claiming em left the comment from his device since she liked snooping through it. something fishy is def going on.
still weird for her to be rehoming his pets though.
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here's the full conversation between danny and drmuccie that danny shared on fb.
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ah the shitflinging. I'll have to admit I haven't been keeping up with emzotic, has she had any huge dieoffs recently like danny claims?
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here's em's response
the smiling and head movements come across so weirdly here, never seen a scared abuse victim
act like this publically
>>936354>abuse victims don’t smile
oh good to know humans are entirely predictable binary beings that always act 100% rationally and according to plan, kek
this danny dude is obviously a manipulative piece of shit and also clearly at the very least emotionally abusive
. so is em, but this dude is literally lying through his teeth and playing victim
for something HE decided. fucking pathetic scrote.
Funny that how half audio is muffled when she's reading it.>>936375
And how do you figure that Daddy is liar this bitch is crazy I think this is EM try to defend yourself
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This is probably a bit of an armchair since theres no way to tell Em is lying but there is something called "duping delight" which is when the person cant stop smiling while they are lying. Honestly that video looks more calculated than "not acting rationally kek". She is acting rationally to the point where she looks robotic and that's why it's so uncanny to watch.
We know Emzotic is capable of acting sweet and gentle outwardly while saying vile shit and spreading rumors about her friends / herself here. After saying Taylor Dean was ugly, dirty and botched she claimed it was for a social experiment and now comments on her posts with ~*uwu*~ positivity.
Pic attached is the kind of vile stuff Em used to say about HERSELF. This woman literally makes fun of her own miscarriage on an anon image board. Spoilered image was her own tweet she was making fun of. Em is calculated as fuck and crazy.
Holy fuck, other anons are right, this comes across as point scoring / smug as fuck and does not paint her in a good light. Her receipts do not prove Danny agreed, just that he said nothing… which is weird, but tbh I wouldn't engage with that either.
What's with the dropping hints about there being something more 'wrong' with one of the skunks too?
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I don't think she kept a dove? the texts only say 2 ferrets, 2 snakes and a gargoyle gecko. >>936658
I don't think they ever were posted on their own, here you go.
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looks like danny's lying about having the skunk for 6 years.
doesn't seem that likely though does it? but I mean you might be right.
anyway, people are going to town on danny's fb post >>936186
right now. someone is also pointing out that when em first showed puddin on her yt video in 2018, she said puddin was a little over a year old.
So the doves obviously died. I wonder what happened to the second kookaburra.
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here he is referring to it as him
agreed. I'd like to hear from someone that actually donated tbh bc how do we even know she shafted them? for all we know she didn't.
didn't she also have some kind of special club subscription thing? I have a feeling she has been in communication with her ""patreons"".>>936161
nice selfpost btw. your tank looks like shit.
I agree her fish tank is nasty! Breeding fish doesn't excuse the glass to look like that.>>936733
Did she ever do a finished fish room video? If so do you know which one? I think that people think that when you donate to someone's Channel you get to dictate what and the type of content they put out. Especially people with bigger channels you see it a lot they change a camera setting and their subscribers in the comments complain so much. No one owes these people anything. Solid Gold has had health issues she downsized. She should have made a video as a courtesy to her supporters.(selfpost)
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It looks like to me she hasn't used her patreon since 2015. Plus her patreon was for her to sell her fish on they got priority picking. At least if you're going to talk about it know about her past history.
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I was talking about her solid gold membership thing, not her patreon. it includes a closed facebook group..
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exactly, that'd be the weirdest money making scheme ever. crowdfunding her hobby maybe wasn't the best idea ever but I don't think she did it with bad intentions.
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it looks like she hasn't posted since 2019 she hasn't updated her calendar nor her website.>>936765 I would like to hope she kept these people in her group notified>>936766
I feel that some of the stuff she was selling was PR. she's making money off of free things. I think that was kind of smart instead of posting items for sale on Facebook that was given to her she had a garage sale and posted pictures of things she bought. all those Custom Cabinets and enclosures can't stay in the house if she's selling.
I still don't feel right about her fans donating to her Fish Room just to sell it and get out of the hobby not even a year in to the upgrade.
I can see how people may feel that that something hanky panky is going on.
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Sorry for my shit screen shots.>>936765
I did a little digging. Seen this post. I think she really ghosted everyone. Including her members.
sure, but I'm still giving her the benefit of the doubt until we know more. she's only human, I can think of plenty of reasons why she wouldn't want to deal with the internet anymore. you'd think she was a criminal mastermind if looked at the comments she's getting on her last video/fb post right now.
I mean crowdfunded projects failing isn't rare at all. and there's no reason to think she used the money for any other reason than to buy the supplies. someone educate me if it's required for a company selling crowdfunded items to reimburse those who donated. >>936773
I perused through the comments as well but it honestly seemed that the people flinging shit and freaking out about people getting scammed didn't even donate themselves.
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I found this on the FTC.
The 5 dollar thing was not included in her PayPal fund for her Fish Room. I think it is a gray area because she didn't have a tiered system. She didn't finish the fish room. Also she's selling items that the money donated money bought. She is selling for a profit. To be honest I'm wondering do they even pay taxes on that? I don't think it's illegal per se but I think it's tacky. It's up to the discretion of the donator to donate . unless we get more donators speaking about it. I think we're just all assuming at this point.https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/2019/05/avoid-crowdfunding-scams
jfc cool off anon, you're getting offended on behalf of people who probably didn't even mind donating either way. she quit the hobby and closed down her company, shit happens in life. I'll believe she's a shitty person when I see more solid proof than someone vendetta posting on fb, no point in tinfoiling before that.
iirc the fishroom was finished aside of the koi tank idea she abandoned and maybe a terrarium or two.
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Kek she definitely saw this (either the original post or the screenshot here), she's made an instagram post of Dobby AND has a bunch of videos on her story of the ferrets running around out of their cage (to prove they get floor time). With her giant fucking designer dog standing right over them, of course. Definitely no opportunity for anything to go wrong there.
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same anon as before-also on her story is a video of her feeding a rabbit treats. she's pretty careful not to show the full enclosure at any point but it…doesnt look that big. rabbits need A LOT of floor space to run around (the hutch has a second level to it but thats basically worthless for ground dwelling animals). it looks like the rabbit would be able to do 1 hop along the short side and maybe 2 or 3 hops along the long side. they should have enough room to do AT LEAST 4 hops. minimum. and the treats she's feeding "until you like me!!" are yogurt treats, which are also garbage for rabbits-you should NEVER feed them dairy. Hey Emma, since I know you still lurk here, you did Kait dirty exposing her shit rabbit care because you needed content for your story. But, hey, thanks for letting us know about it.
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Em mentioned in the past that Kiba wasn’t neutered and apparently one of Kait’s dogs isn’t here can't wait for the “accidental” litter