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Dramageddon 2.0: (Previous thread discussion starts: >>804726
)>Tati Westbrook (37) posts a 43 minute long video entitled "BYE SISTER …" ripping apart previous bff James Charles (19)>Tati and James previously had a very close "mother/son" like relationship, including James doing her makeup on her wedding day, and Tati taking credit for helping him gain popularity>This comes after James posts an ad for "SugarBearHair" gummy vitamins on instagram, claiming they helped him with security at Coachella>"SugarBearHair" is the main competitor to Tati's own vitamin brand "Halo Beauty", hence the perceived sleight>Claims that James has displayed predatory and inappropriate behavior towards "straight boys">James, as is the norm on youtube, releases a lack-luster response/apology video to Tati's allegations>Jeffree Star claims James was banned from his house and is a danger to society for his actions, despite Jeffree being in a long-term relationship with his "straight" boyfriend Nate>Despite James hemorrhaging subscribers, he still currently has more subscribers than Tati
Current Follower Count:
Tati Westbrook: 9.4 Million
James Charles: 13 Million
(Wanted the keep the OP General since the last thread lasted 2 years. This is a tough topic to create a neutral summation of as it's very divisive. Feel free to add on anything missed)
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He basically is on good terms with the YT CEO, and she asked him to come alongside five other youtubers. There was actually a theory that the reason why Tati's video suddenly disappeared from trending was because of this very friendship. I have not found any confirmation of this though.
I never really followed Tati, in fact, I dont really follow any beauty gurus except Jenny69 because she actually knows what the fuck she is talking about when it comes to make up application.
But I went in watching Tati's video with neutral expectations. It's still a dramatic video so there is always room for fuckery but she never struck me as somebody who would intentionally blow something out of preportion for clicks.
After I watched the whole thing through I agreed with her choice. It wasn't just about vitamins, it was about James's behavior over all. Maybe Tati has a cunty side too but so what? Sometimes you need to be in that industry. Her and her husband did A LOT for James, and I do believe she really was trying to build him up because she did care about him. Why would she fly him to her wedding on her dime? Why would she allow him to do her make up for one of the biggest days of her life if she didn't believe in his abilities?
Plus she actually took the time to address everything and maybe I'm wrong but I don't think it's even monetized. Several people in the comments noticed there were no ads playing in her video, maybe another anon can confirm because I don't know how. But in light of Jame's lame apology that he quickly deleted, I don't know how people can really make Tati out to be the bad guy. She acted as a Mother figure and a role model to him and helped him when everybody else was quick to right him off for being problematic
. Sadly they were right and Tati ended up finally having to accept the truth about his character. She tried to guide him in the right direction but he is way too self centered to listen.
Maybe you can blame that on his age, but you also can't mature without having to face some shitty things about yourself. James comes off like a hugely entitled, spoiled brat so of course it's gonna take A LOT to humble his dumb ass. And if losing his subs at a free fall rate doesn't do the trick I don't know what the hell will.
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She's old, she's the "cool mom" of the beauty community. She's not YOUR mom, ew your lame mom would never understand why you need this $25 lipstick….she just doesn't get it!
Plus since she is older, it gives off the vibe of "too mature for the drama", which is why I think this video makes her look 100x worse than JC – how immature and insecure as a nearly 40 year old successful business woman do you have to be to be so threatened by a dumb horny teenager that you throw a temper tantrum and try to destroy their life? James is annoying as fuck and taking him down a peg certainly doesn't hurt but he's not the adult in the situation.
I love the part in the video where she whines about how she had to apologize to all her grown up friends for his behavior because if I saw that happening I would just think "Ha, what a stupid teenager. I remember being that embarrassing. They'll grow out of that
." But I was at a party and saw a grown ass woman publicly screaming at a teenager who's not her child about how terrible of a person they are I would think "WHOA what the FUCK is she doing? Should we call the cops?
Had to go back and find the quote from that one anon in the last thread >Like who's the actual predator here? The one lurking on boys 2 years younger, or the one lurking on boys 20 years younger?
Fucking this. Her whole defense of her being friends with J* was "well he's always been nice to ME"
She only cuts ties with people/companies when they do something to her personally. Like, she cut ties with Too Faced because Jared was mean to her a party of smth. She doesn't care about the rest of the shit, she just keeps the dirty laundry so when she does cut ties, people applaud her for it.
Like don't get me wrong, James Charles is awful and I'm happy people are seeing it, but Tati's just as self centered. She's just smarter about it.
Yeah not really. She didn't have the same relationship with Jeffree like she did with James. She doesn't call Jeffree family, but she considered James close enough to be considered family. >>806577
How is she being a cool Mom? If she was a cool Mom she would support Jame's innapropriate humor and possibly his behavior too. He is like 19/20, at that age I knew better not be grossly sexual at a birthday dinner…in fact I think MOST people at that age know better than to behave that way if they were raised right.
Y'all are really desperate to white knight this fool lol.
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Old milk but I’m sure J* hasn't changed at all, young gays learn this from old gays. It’s inherited arrogance and misogyny, part of the Catty Gay BFF trope.
What motive? It would be easier for her to remain friends with him for business purposes if that's what this truly is all about. She helped grow his career, opens her home to him, gets her husband to help him, and she isn't allowed to expect a little loyalty from him? He told her he didn't want to promote her brand because he has young followers, then proceeds to promote another brand's melatonin gummies for a sleep aid lmao. Yeah I would be pissed too. I don't give a fuck about their ages, they are both adults and James should be held accountable for his bullshit just as much as her.
Tati isn't a crone and Jame's isn't a toddler (even if he acts like one). If your Mom takes away your phone for not doing your homework do you tell her she is being immature? Probably lmao. Run a long little one.
NTA, but how can anyone be so blind? She's an opportunist. >>806600
This was her way of punishing him for working with her rivals. It wasn't a "Mom scolds kid and takes away his phone" thing. She was never his mother, lmao. This was "I created you, and I can destroy you, too". She'd been sitting on all this dirt up til now without ever actually reprimanding him so she'd have ammo. If James is a predator, Tati is someone who capes for predators until they cross her brand.
She's like an aged Regina George. Manipulative and fake as fuck, lmao. All these people are like that, and if you can't see that, you're the "little one".
>>806594>How is she being a cool Mom?
Holy shit you're stupid, that's the point she's not actually cool she just tried to pretend she's cool.
>He is like 19/20, at that age I knew better not be grossly sexual at a birthday dinner…in fact I think MOST people at that age know better than to behave that way if they were raised right.
Again, holy shit you're dumb. James is absolutely a little shit but no 19 year old would act that way at a real dinner party, given the amount of success and money he's made at only 19 if nothing else it can be assumed he knows how to network properly. BUT being stupid and candid around someone who you think is a peer and a best friend makes perfect sense. If he's already THAT candid in front of his parents think of how much dumber teens act around their friends. I mean, look at his vids with Emma and the Dolan twins (back when they were friends lmao) they're dumb teens doing (the expensive youtuber version) of dumb teenager shit. The problem isn't that James was an idiot, he 100% was, it's that Tati threw her back out trying to be "the cool mom" with the teens and actually just outed herself to be the worst strict parent of all time.
Jeffree's the strict parent who's a giant hypocrite and severely punishes their kid for smoking pot even though they were the biggest pot-head and did WAY worse drugs at their age (and still does). Except instead of the old "do as I say, not as I do" refrain, they kick the kid out of the house and somehow use it as a sob story to sell their MLM leggings on facebook.
Did you even watch her video? She showed a clip where he called her Mom (it was brief because she was speaking at an event, but she was talking to him and you can see him saying "thank you Mom"). She also said he called her husband Dad. Yes I know she is not his bio Mom, but the point was that was the nature of their relationship. Try to pay attention to the subject material you're actually commentating on because I swear to God none of you took in a damn thing.
Tati didn't stay quiet for so long because she was carefully watching James and taking down notes so she could make an epic take down video someday and take all his subs… that's a real reach there. She stayed quiet because she cared and was hoping he would change, you know like most people would when it comes to family and friends. And she said very clearly that she DID express her concerns about his behavior MANY times before she made the video, but how would you know that when you didn't even watch it? Silly me.
Look I'm sorry you're favorite beauty guru is tanking as a result if his bullshit. I know it's got to be hard to be a James Charles fan right now. My condolonces fam, I'll take my leave now and let y'all cry over the consequences of his own actions lmao.
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What are you even talking about? No one was ever denying James called her Mom, Tati wouldn't shut the fuck up about it the entire video.
>she was carefully watching James and taking down notes so she could make an epic take down video>epic take down video>epic
So you're saying a 40 year old married woman was carefully watching a teenage boy? Got it. Are you one of those cringy middle-aged women >>806647
was talking about? Seriously, why are you so obsessed with Tati? Haven't seen delusional whiteknighting this bad outside of the Jeffree cronies. No one in this thread has said James wasn't being stupid or he didn't deserve to be taken down a notch, but that doesn't mean Tati wasn't being an immature self-serving cunt though. The only one who's a clear fan of anyone specifically in this situation is you. Go take your Halo Beauty™ suppository and calm down.
Not to "hi cow", but this maniacal, illogical defense of Tati and screeching that everyone who sees things for what they are is a JC stan is looking a little off to me.
A woman in her 30s-40s who cries over some predatory gay male shilling someone else's fucking hair vitamin pills can not be classed as a hero.
Once you turn 18 or even get a little older (because I'm assuming you're not
one of the people involved here, just a dumb stan), you'll realize this.
I don't really see why it matters since everyone is talking about the predatory behaviour and not the vitamins. He's hated for so many reasons and that was just the trigger
for his reckoning which was always inevitable
that what i mean, everyone is talking about predatory behavior that was already plain to see that everyone talked about in collab videos.
It's fucking bizarre to me. Suddenly they need Tati to tell them something is bad? They sound like mindless drones that need youtube videos to tell them their moral compass.
Tati's vitamin scam feelios were hurt and she took the opportunity to ruin JC's life. An adult woman old enough to be his mother. I've said this a long time ago in an older thread but Tati really, really should stick to her makeup reviewer lane. Drama doesn't suit her, especially since she tries to pull the uwu innocent bean persona and it really
doesn't work when adults do it.
Gay men lusting after straight dudes is not a new thing. It's just like when men are too pushy about asking women out when they can't handle rejection. It can't be addressed without addressing what is wrong with men at large
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I don't see why it's creepy, I guess it could be putting herself in a role that is easier to manipulate at but this happens a lot. It's usually not white people, but if she felt like a role model and mentor who was giving help while maintaining a friendship the ”creepiness” is just nonexistent. I don't care for her and I think she's a two-faced, passive-aggressive, ”If I don't get what I want watch out” type who'd weasel free things from stores after asking to speak to the manager-but to imply its weird or somehow inappropriate when there's clearly no issue is a reach. She's a networker, she's using it to her advantage as a businesswoman and felt ”wronged”. She's a spoiled brat, but she's not trying to prey on teens. Is it because he's a guy and she is married to a man? I'm not sure what you're seeing there tbqh anon
NTA, but it gives me similar vibes to the "sonfu thread" on /m/, lmao. Nothing really off
, and could easily be completely fine/platonic, but just enough to make you go "Hmmm…".
I agree that this was probably just one of many social/business stepping stones for her, and she might've hammed up the emotional aspect just to get viewers on her side, but I can understand why some would find it weird.
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That's fair, I can see that.
I think it's definitely exaggerated especially when you can tell by her body language she is almost repelled by him if you watch their vids kek
Even in this thumbnail: Faked happiness that is more like a grimace as she faces away, hand not gripping back in any hug or awkward hug situation (hand open almost like she's blocking him, or ready to push him away)
He looks totally immersed in himself, if she was using him for popularity with younger subscribers he would be too self-invested to notice
all this armchair body language analysis.
perhaps she's turned away because she doesn't want to smash two faces slathered in makeup together. curving his energetic contact isn't that deep.
Obviously it's not okay to sexually harass anyone ever, but it's kind of gross that the Internet is rallying around the straight/straight-ish guys JC has preyed on without question while when sexual harassment victims
are female, they get scrutinized and questioned and not believed. And even here, everyone's whining about Tati. Sure, she's a cringey, materialistic YouTube shill, but that's not why we're here. We're here to drag a honking, mouth-breathing narcissist who thinks he's owed sex because he's "famous" and has never done a moment of introspection in his vapid life.
I’m not saying she’s definitely some sort of sexual predator but all the focus by her and her fans especially as a mother figure weirds me the hell out, like she should not be that invested in a random teenager for a professional relationship…>>806871
Actually we are here to talk about whatever we want in the YouTube beauty community, hence the thread name. The only reason anyone cares about him thinking he’s entitled to sex is because he thinks he’s entitled to sex from men
Okay, wheres the Jeffree Starr is cancelled thing? Oh yeah no one gives a shit.
No one is being consistent, they are all just being opportunistic vultures at an all girls highschool.
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>>806799>1. How are there still people who haven’t learned the lesson of the decade after it’s been drilled into us over and over: never stan a man
omg I hate JC so much now, what a loser!
omg I love Tati and her new collab with J* !!!
Are you fucking stupid? Did you read the previous thread at all? There's literally months of people talking about all the shit Jeffree does, but the second we mention Jeffree his goons come out of the shadows to try and divert attention and sperg about how being openly racist isn't even that big of a deal you guys are just sensitive
. Not to mention the Shane thread where there's also tons of discussion of how awful and disgusting Jeffree is. It's like how >>806682
said, since Tati's aligned with Jeffree now the Jeffree goons come out for her in full force with zero logic to their whiteknighting at all.
Holy shit I can't get over how stupid and ignorant this comment is. Is today your first day on the internet?
They manage long texts and reply very quickly even when I'm invested in a conversation I don't manage multiple long texts in the space of a minute. Was everyone involved literally glued to their phones and doing nothing else?
(not flooding just redoing because I forgot to sage sorry mods)
>>806870>Armchair body language analysis
Are you trying to assimilate? Keep it up buddy!
Body language is easy to read, even if you can't read minds using it. It’s also easier to decipher the meaning when actions have been taken after. She's not developing new feelings of disgust towards him, she was already embarrassed by him and and humiliated in front of her friends so badly she felt she should apologize.
She didn't owe anything to JC but she was also two-faced and condescending (Imo idc about the later I find him incredibly disturbing and he could Develop Shame). She was a ’frenemy’ caping as somebody who cared about him, she discarded him like a Narc.
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and thats why they get away with it.
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She won't, she's too smart to attempt that. That's the problem with Jeffree, he's the worst possible human being but he's also a PR genius and has dirt on EVERYONE. He befriends the drama channels so they can't speak negatively about him (pic related: Peter Monn, PettyPaige, Rich Lux
), bribes Youtube to keep his videos trending, and openly talks shit about people/brands so everything thinks "omg he's the only honest one on youtube!"
. Take Rich Lux who used to openly talk about Jeffree drama, but since meeting (and doing a whole Mukbang with Jeffree and Bunny) completely takes his (and Shane, Tati and whoever's in Jeff's good graces) side, perpetuating the delicately crafted narrative that Jeffree never does anything wrong. Shane, despite having some ~18 million subscribers at the time, never had one of his videos given a spotlight/trending on Youtube – UNTIL he did his series with Jeffree Star. Tati, despite having waay less subscribers than James or Jeffree somehow manages to have her video about James explode to 40 Million, and Jeffree's right behind her the whole way. Jeffree outright admitted to bribing youtube to help videos trend in one of Rich's videos.
That's why it's so fucking stupid for someone to say something like >>806906
. People have been trying for years. Even on lolcow whenever we try to talk about Jeffree, whiteknights suddenly come out in spades to divert attention or "idk seems fake" every single piece of evidence. If Jeffree openly calls Jackie Aina a racial slur, suddenly everyone wants to talk about how bad Jackie Aina is. If HereForTheTea makes a video of completely valid
criticism of Jeffree, suddenly everyone wants to talk about how much of a jealous fatty she is. If some idiot hairdresser proves 7 different ways that his texts from Jeffree are real, everyone still says "idk seems fake" and changes the subject to him. If we have literal video and audio evidence of him screaming the n-word, "he was screaming it at WHITE people, so that makes it ok
" and "being openly racist isn't even that big of a deal you guys are just sensitive
Look what happened to everyone involved in Dramageddon 1.0 - everyone who went against Jeffree had their career destroyed EXCEPT Gabriel Zamora because he completely jumped ship. If you read the last thread at all, every single attempt to discuss Jeff's behavior get's overrun, and every defense is "fake news" "but I liked him on Myspace, so that excuses his behavior" or complete diversion to the other person's activity.
Anyone who's ever tried to come for Jeffree even with airtight evidence of his terrible behavior has been decimated. He's knows exactly what he's doing, and he's just that good at what he does. If Tati had any common sense at all, she would stay on his good side. He's un-killable, he has too many horcruxes in the form of dirt, money and influence. With Shane added to his army, he now has the support of people even outside of the beauty community. Jeffree is just taking out all of his competitors by turning them against each other (The Dramageddon group of best friends, James and Tati who were apparently like family) James Charles was easy prey, he's a young idiot kid who let his guard down and acted the way teenagers act with them because he thought Jeffree and Tati were his peers and "family". Jeffree and Tati were the predators in this situation.
He's gay, dude
Stop trying to make fetch happen, it's not going to happen
Yeah it's like, "omg shittalking Tati? That means you support JC!"
jesus everyone gets so caught up in picking sides in this garbage heap of humans.
Thank you. When I saw Jefree quickly jumping to say JC is a danger to society I completely saw through him finding this opportunity to tear more of his competition down. If you look at the number of subscribers and views James Charles was one of the only youtubers in the beauty community to rival Jeffree Star. He's pumping out videos since the JC downfall, if he keeps going it's going to be glaringly obvious. I don't think Jeffree Star plotted with Tati, he just saw an opportunity. And he would do it again with any other influencer that was of no use to him anymore. Tati better watch out, though her audience isn't in direct competition with Jeffree's so I doubt he cares.
James Charles is fucked up because he grew up surrounded by yes men adults and rich socialites with fucked up personalities such as JS himself who get anything they want and brag about it. When JC was underage he already was an opportunist and had pretty shit parenting (his brother who is even younger than him dropped out of school to also become a youtuber even though he had no other fame than by association to JC and his parents allowed it?), drop him to live on his own with the hypersexual instagram/LA beauty crowd while he transitions into adulthood and how else was he supposed to turn out other than a psycho?
Jeffree Star egging him on for years to then rip him a new one is some real disturbing shit. You can see from his tone that he relishes on the destruction of people he pretended to befriend, even when they didn't specifically target him (he had tweeted friendly comments to JC not long before blasting him. He has since deleted those friendly tweets so people wouldn't notice he was in good terms with him even post the supposed Nate situation). That to me is even more vile but since he is in the good side of things because JC does have very good reasons to eat shit he's being painted as the hero of the situation "calling him out". Drama channels are helping him/Nate look like a poor JC victim
because they're completely bought.
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>>807002>Men are much more predatory than women.
Men are maybe more often
predatory than women, but a woman who displays predatory behavior is not any less predatory than a man.
>Tati also hasn’t done anything remotely sexual towards him.
I agree Tati hasn't been sexual towards him, but behavior doesn't have to be sexual to be completely inappropriate or predatory. It's completely inappropriate for Tati to assume the role of parent in James's life, especially when James has 2 active parents of his own already. Her video is literally her deciding he needs to be punished for his behavior, because she doesn't think James' parents have raised him correctly. She is not his parent, that's not her choice to make. It'd be like if a kid was crying in the grocery store, and some other adult grabbed them and started spanking them because they thought that's how they needed to be punished. Completely inappropriate.
Say what you will about Tati's intentions, but James' parents have shown themselves to be extremely supportive and obviously want the best for their son. I think James is completely insufferable and definitely needed to be humbled – but the video he did with his parents doing his makeup is really sweet. His dad openly crying about how proud he was of James and his talent and the community accepting his son probably meant a lot to a lot of queer kids who didn't get that support and acceptance from their parents. They respected Tati as an adult mentor figure, and trusted their son with her. For her to use their trust in her (when she's talking about how James' mom thanked her for looking out for him) as ammo for destroying their son's career shows how low she'd sink just to make herself look better (and sell some vitamins).
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Men come in and completely fuck things up? Who'd have ever thought
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Sorry for doubleposting but also like, anons saying that Jeffree is still getting chances from Tati aren't totally wrong. Also this sounds like Tati was a victim of (an) assault.
How is it wrong that she is giving Jeffree chances? Seems like at best she’s just scared of him.
Also what does her being an assault victim
have to do with anything
Yeah, regardless of my opinion of her (Every beauty guru is a snake in some form, that's a dramatic group of people, but overall I find her pretty milquetoast) she is way, way prettier than most of the gremlins who call themselves beauty influencers.
That whole part of YouTube is a mindfuck
def. I HATE to bring this up but a perfect example in this is Momo kun cuz it was female on female crime. JC had everyone's consent and now he's being cancelled
Momo was caught sexually harassing people, admitted to it and there was proof she chased some of her victims
out of the community and bullied them after. But because it was girl on girl crime people thought what she did was sexy and almost busted a nut
The situation with JC is so expansive because most everyone on the internet at least knows his name, even if they don't know who he is. He had a social media range of 16+ million of multiple platforms and an audience made of a 12-14 girls. He was in stores, had major brand deals, "celebrity" friends, he was mass marketable.
What makes the situation unique is that unlike an actor or a musician who has the clout to sweep abuse under the rug, a youtuber, whose entire existence comes from the internet, is more easily "canceled."
Austin Jones got some media coverage, for doing the same sort of stuff ProJared was doing, but he only had like 500,000 subscribers. Ppl only care about what will give them clicks, and a big name is it.
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>>807370>What makes the situation unique is that unlike an actor or a musician who has the clout to sweep abuse under the rug, a youtuber, whose entire existence comes from the internet, is more easily "canceled."
Completely untrue, see >>807008
. Also this isn't JC's first scandal by any means, in fact he's had way worse ones. It's only different this time because it had had the full force of Jeffree behind it. If Tati didn't have Jeffree supporting her on all this it would have fallen completely flat and JC's fans probably would have harassed her for being an old and jealous. In fact, youtubers bounce back from scandals like these and worse all the time, the notable exception being time and time again, Jeffree has something to gain from it (in the beauty space anyways)
James started at 16.5 Mil before all of this, meaning he had more than both Tati and Jeffree respectively. But, with Jeffree, Tati's take down now had the backing of her subscribers (~9 Mil), Jeffree's subscribers (~15 Mil), and Shane's subscribers (~20 Mil). There's no way this would have worked if it was just Tati alone.
I also wonder if Morphe comes into play at all. Jeffree just had his brush collection released with Morphe, but he also sells his palettes through them as well now. JC's Morphe palette has 39 shades for $39. Jeffree's palette are ~18 shades for $52. Maybe $52 for a palette is cool on his site or anywhere else, but on Morphe next to JC's palette it looks way overpriced. I think after the whole Jaclyn Hill scandal, James would be Jeffree's only real competition in the Morphe space. Jeffree stayed uncharacteristically quiet during the JH scandal, but that was also right around the time he was doing stuff with them as well, and Jaclyn basically took herself out in the that regard. Last bit may be tinfoiling, but I also wouldn't put it past Jeffree.
Nah, I could see that. I think she doesn't have the face for this type of makeup >>807484
. She's so normal/mild looking in comparison to other gurus, more natural makeup suits her better. I guess that would be part of her appeal? Not sure if she actually has nice skin, but at the very least her lighting/filming setup is very complimentary.
Is there any responses to this? Because I was thinking a lot of the same things …
But god, can this dude change out of his nasty sweaty shirt before making a video
You cant be serious anon, gabriel is the biggest fucking retard in this great dumpster fire ironic and hillarious name too fucking "gabriel".
His argument stems from some arbitrary opinion on how "most mens" sexuality works its ill defined and weak, its just plain stupid to assume the behaviour of any group of people men, women, gay, straight and to top it off he talks like a dumbshit ghetto stereotypical fag. He seems way too old to be as stupid and immature as he is. You're not an elite scholar of gay/bi people because you are one, endless factors can influence someones sexuality there is no "straight bois" that you have deciphered. Sexuality can be fluid and/or fixed its messy. I recall catty girls talking like this in highschool on snapchat and social media but a full grown man?
Surprisingly pewdiepie had a reasonable response to this incident though that is worth looking into if anyones interested. like anons have said ITT he says tatis video is an ad for her pills lol and tears apart of lot of the obscene fake mother personality shit she's trying to pull.
Its actually unfortunate that the comment section expectadly is just 10 year olds as usual. He really undersells the predatory behaviour of JC though which is my only gripe.
Gabriel's just mad that he and lots of other gay men can't prey relentlessly on straight men as was their wont anymore without backlash. They legitimately don't see anything wrong with it.>>807617
no Tati got absolutely shit on when she released Halo, everyone thought (and still thinks) they're snake oil. She used to get so incredibly butthurt about it. The only reason people are rallying around her is because they hate JC more.
I'm curious if, with the influx of new subs and publicity for her pills, she has gotten more sales for Halo too. It's all so very calculated.
yeah, her PR team is great but anyone with half a brain cell will realize she's full of shit. "oh, stop the hate, stop picking teams." obviously people are going to pick teams when you make a video alleging sexual misconduct and paint yourself as a victim
of a retarded, petty teenager.
I believe her for the most part tbqh, i really dont think tati is some master ruseman that predicted all of this would happen (who'd even predict his fans would turn on him so quickly with so little evidence?)
shes definitely milking it though, and i bet shes pretty happy about the 10mill subs, but she seems too basic to be 100% snake-like, in my opinion anyway.
I don't mind Tati's vitamin thing. Not even whiteknighting because I'm a stan or whatever, I think maybe there's just a difference in frame of reference that decides how people feel about it. I consume a lot of fitness-related media, so I'm used to youtubers serving informational videos with an appetizer and side dish of pillshilling. Almost every channel either wants to sell me a meal plan or a supplement. It's merch. As long as the main video contest stays good and they're not straight up lying about it ("it cured my ___!")(though I'll deal with "it helps with ___." for informational purposes.), I don't care. Most supplements are pretty harmless. But I can understand people who aren't as familiar being very up-in-arms at the idea.
But it's very normal that a supplement doesn't work for everyone or that some people might have a reaction. If the reaction rate is high, sure, that's cause for concern, but I haven't seen much there. Also yeah, some supplements can cause birth control to be less effective. Other things can too, like grapefruit juice. And yes, hypothetically vitamins are unnecessary anyway if you're eating a perfectly balanced diet. But people disagree on what "perfectly balanced" means exactly, it would vary from person to person anyway, and realistically, 95% of people just don't eat perfectly clean and balanced.
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>>807701>never in a million years did i think this situation would reach what it did>when i made that video i thought i would be the one to take the hit>i thought i would be the one losing subscribers for speaking up>stop the hate uwu>this was me trying to reach someone i thought was unreachable and i was trying to deliver the same message so many times
Couldn't make it past 2 minutes, the martyr complex on this woman is out of this world. Tati's been vlogging since 2010, it took her almost 10 years to accumulate 5 million subscribers. She really wants us to believe she planned on sacrificing her beloved business and her entire livelihood that she spent nearly a decade working on over some horny teenage boy? There's literally no way she doesn't look like a massive idiot here. If any of this were true it would only prove that she cares more about bending the will of a teenage boy to her own values than providing for her family>I'm gonna lose the subscribers and means of support that pays the mortgage for this house that my family lives in, but that's a risk I have to take….because people NEED to know what this 19 year old twink said about gummy bears, and he needs to be publicly punished. I'll be crucified for it, but I'll make that sacrifice :(((
Also you don't get to make a 45 minute video telling people to hate this person and then go>seriously u guys stop the hate this isn't what I wanted
for brownie points later. Should've just stayed in the DMs if that's not what she wanted.>>807718
Fair to say no one could have predicted how this would unfold, and maybe she believes her own story but it's utter bullshit. What was her backup plan for if this went south? He failed acting "career"? If she lost public support her beloved business would completely fold, people barely gave a shit about her vitamins as it was outside of controversy of her selling snake oil
Vile racists shouldn't be successful and loved just because they're gay and do makeup. I think most fields don't think racism is okay, either, which is how people end up getting fired for being that way. It's not unique to the skin care/makeup community.
Jeffree Star will never be cancelled because his fans are psychotic, though. It is what it is.
J* hasn't been "cancelled" bc he makes makeup that ppl really want to buy. When KVD exposed herself as an anti-vaxxer, she was easily blacklisted bc everyone had started being bored of her makeup released a long time before.
Then Shane Dawson gave him a redemption arc and flipped a lot of ppl who were on the fence in his favor.
Yeah my favorite part was
Tati: "I've got really big plans guys to bring you great content and products in the future"
PewDie: "Well… do it, don't just talk about it, what's stopping you?"
have you watched all her videos about this? Even her emotional instagram post, shes not blinking rapidly, like someone under distress, or stopping to think, she just delivers her spiel.
Also, I thought she closed this whole chapter and was being the mature one here? Maybe James was right about her loving the drama because it's going to boost sales.
>>807784>>807781>J* hasn't been "cancelled" bc he makes makeup that ppl really want to buy>she was easily blacklisted bc everyone had started being bored of her makeup released a long time before
They're both jackasses, but this argument makes zero sense. Jeffree's line has always been notoriously limited, he's literally just now starting to catch up to KVD in product type and availability after all these years but he's still nowhere close. Also the idea that makeup needs to be "new and exciting" to sustain or be profitable is also a very dumb, very youtube-ish idea. People aren't interested in buying a new foundation every single week, only youtubers do that. No one ever goes>this foundation I like that's easily available and perfectly fits my skin tone and doesn't break me out is TOO BORING
If this were at all true people would have stopped buying Nars Orgasm, Stila eyeliner, Urban Decay Naked palettes, that smelly Walmart Airspun powder and the million other cult classics (including KVD eyeliner) that are still best sellers years ago and those companies would have shuttered. KVD is an absolute idiot, but her makeup has nothing to do with her ability to be cancelled. Jeffree hasn't been taken down yet because of all the reasons >>807008
said. She may get cancelled for being an anti-vaxxer, but Jeffree could release a new perfume that's actually just aerated measles and go on livestream and spray it on an innocent child and his fans would still come out and be like "that child was a cunt tho so i don't see the problem" or "I mean it's really easy to fake a full body measles rash, that child was just trying to use him for followers anyways"
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Nah, not at all. It's really the opposite of what >>807781
said, everyone said she was cancelled, but they love that eyeliner and that lipstick too much. She's still putting out new products all the time. The worst they did was this shit (still makes me chuckle). I wanna say people are really into her perfumes as well? Could be wrong tho
There was also the whole nazi allegations that came out even before the vaccine stuff that people still didn't really care about. No one seemed to make a peep when she released her pink nudes palette called "Lolita" either. I know she's hispanic and Lolita is also the name of her cult classic lip color but c'mon…..it's obviously a very culturally loaded word/name. It's one thing to sneak that in among dozens of other lipstick names, she didn't have to draw attention to it by naming a whole palette that as well. Maybe if she keeps it up she'll go the way of the Deere and be pushed out of her own company to save face
I feel like she’s displaying a lot of Narc behavior and it makes my blood run cold, not diagnosing her with NPD or anything but shes a pretty rich white girl who knows how to get what she wants and when people hurt her feelings she makes a giant deal out of it.
She says one thing and does the other, collects people and tosses them away in the worst way possible when shes done with them.
I didn't like her since she started whining in reply videos, “It’s not my fault your palette sucks I'm just being honest” or when people said her pills might react badly with medication (as a lot of herbal supplements can do) she said “I have the best doctors on this, the best blah blah, my reputation is being thrashed!!”
She could have done this privately, JC is trash and idc because he has friends and money to fall into the arms of during this but playing Mommy Dearest for years and then making a call out video? That’s what’s fucked up, not those bs theories she’s predatory or creepy. She destroyed their close relationship because he did an insta story sponsorship and because that wasn’t good enough to hurt anyone but her own ego she used all her stored up receipts to make the meat of it.
JC on the other hand is an impulsive idiot, his stuff will blow over like Bieber’s drama and every other kid who got too much money and fame. I can’t find anything to like about him at all if i can be honest. He definitely deserves the backlash but the last straw being a Betrayal~ is so high school and ugly.
They both need therapy.
I still find it funny everyone is acting like "omg JC tried to force himself on straight guys! omg!"
Like did you just get into the beauty community yesterday? It was practically a meme at that point.
Suddenly everyone who subscribes to him and watches all his vids has a problem with the preying on straight guys they were hearing about in half his videos? lol
I feel like that whole drama is a complete smokescreen to draw away attention from the fact, JC lied to Tati and organized something with another brand, Tati found out and decided to fuck him up. The end.
totally, and jeffree suddenly developing standards about letching on straight boys, spare me. this is far more about business.
as for jc, he can learn to reel his fetish in a bit, contain himself to 'straight-acting' guys not the real thing, stop harassing guys who clearly aren't interested. I don't agree it's the end of the world for him, there are boys are still lining up to date him even though they're 'straight'.
reagan makes a lot of good stuff, glad she's getting a shoutout.>>807843
and in her video she was all "and it's not about the business aspect!" and "our relationship isn't transactional!" if that's true, why wasn't the straw that broke the camels back the allegations she made against james, not this? she even tries to shrug off the fact she even made the video on gabriel zamora (which is kinda fair?) in the new video.
Maybe I'm just crazy, but I think the reaction is disproportionate to the transgression here.
He… hit on straight guys? Wtf, why are straight guys in need of defending here? Where was this outrage all the times straight men have treated disinterested/gay women like this?
This is honestly coming across as a little homophobic to me. JC is annoying and snotty, absolutely, but this controversy is focusing on "the evil predatory gay" and the "poor innocent straight men" to an uncomfortable extent. As if straight guys don't do this shit to women every day and get off scot-free.
Call me when people decide to start holding straight men accountable for this behavior.
yeah he may have threatened him privately, but only because he was desperate for straight guy peen and throwing a last ditch thirst move.
If he had actually followed through on the threat? Imagine that shitstorm when that got out, followed up with Tati dumping on him, he'd be fucked.
Just because you have a problem with feeling bad for people that happen to be straight guys, it doesn't mean his actions weren't disgusting and just plain wrong (anyone who acts like this should be judged)
Still, I don't think that the predatory thing was the true reason Tati spoke about him, it was the SBH deal and refusing to promote her brand.
I know other anons have said the same, but it wasn't just that he hit on straight guys– he would flirt with "bi-curious" men and then drag them to filth after they told them they were straight. In the case of the waiter, he tried to tell him what his sexuality was. It was super gross. Additionally, he sicced his rabid fans on a dude who was just figuring out his sexuality.
However, I do agree with you in the sense that straight men do this shit all the time to gay women– you know, "Oh, you just haven't had the right dick yet." But even so, I don't think anyone is positing that straight men need defending: they're just calling out JC for being a nasty, horny fuck.
>>807701>shakes her head while saying "If I really wanted to cancel James Charles, I'd be at every studio and sharing every little detail that I could" >nods her head while saying "Just know that I didn't"
This is something people often do when they're lying, moving their head in contradiction to the things they're saying (eg nodding when saying a negative, shaking their head when saying a positive).
I don't think she talked at any studios (probably), but she's definitely lying about her intent and how she planned to go about things. That's been obvious since the first video.
That isn't even what he was saying. He meant how the term "straight boys" is used for some experimenting.>>807704
Who was preyed on? The waiter and james met up, fucked around a bit and james acted like a little bitch when the waiter wanted out. James was rejected but don't pretend that making out with men is straight behavior.
Bottom line Tati made things seem way worse. Using your fanbase to personally go after people who reject you is cringey and awful because it can out closeted people, going after J*s man is just bad, being unable to sustain a conversation without mentioning genatalia is just tragic but some people are making it out to be like James sexually assaulted someone kek
Yes faking a panic attack for a sponsorship is sleazy but we've all known gurus to do it, all in all this is about a personal dig at tatis vitamins. A lot of people find JC unbearable anyways so this is a good excuse to jump ship but he didn't really do anything that different than what he's always done. Arguably the ebola scandal was worse.
The waiter is a classic case of someone with buyer's remorse. He could have blocked JC's ass and never even made first contact if JC was so off putting to him. I'll even grant that he was bicurious and realized he's straight after trying a man but… To paint this as sexual misconduct is extremely dishonest.
People with self esteem issues pursue people that don't love them back or are otherwise unavailable. JC chasing straight dudes is a pretty predictable thing and isn't some huge scandal. Tati's whole thing of "think of the children! think of the straight men!!" is so fucking dumb.
That being said I'm enjoying JC being cancelled bc he's annoying as fuck, popularizes ugly makeup and is making too much $ just for existing as a man in a female space.
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what you mean she needed to respond to this?
Do you guys think this whole thing might drive James Charles to suicide? I remember when the makeup community ganged up on Brandon Truaxe (ceo of the Ordinary) when Brandon was displaying obvious mental illnesses behavior, the humiliation was so horrific and disturbing, early this year he committed suicide by jumping off the balcony of his apartment.
This whole situation is eerily similar to what happened to Brandon, but this time it is even much worse because the damage and humiliation is bigger and James is still a 19 y/o not like Brandon (40) when Brandon committed suicide early this year.
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Ok honestly I can’t with the beauty community anymore, but even more so the hivemind of its audience. https://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/bpth2q/beauty_gurus_youtubers_and_ig_beauty_influencers/
People are seriously at this point where they can’t even think for themselves anymore and hold humans to these ABSURD standards. It’s almost like a fucking cult. They cancel Lisa Elridge because she used a KVD item in a tutorial? Jesus fucking christ get a grip. You can cancel every single human on this planet because of some shit we did sometime. These people act like like a crusade hounding people for retarded shit to feed some sort of superiority complex, idk it’s sick.
you can't succeed in that sort of field unless you are a narcissist. I mean look at Tati's video.
You're supposed to be calling someone out and then the video turns into an ad about herself and her product.
"I think I am a role model for people, I really do"
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This is so true, at that point narcissism can only be a positive attribute. I wish influencers had agents who helped them manage their images via impulse control more during the drama. It's always these sloppy outbursts. They don't know when to shut up and they definitely don't feel any shame.
Being a Youtuber must put them in this different perspective of reality like being in the Big Brother house, or maybe more like Lord of the Flies rn kek
Unrelated but can anons stop reading between the lines? It's exhausting to have to say in every post ”JC/Tati did this shitty thing but I don't like Tati/JC either” because it seems the majority of people here don't have a side and are just here for milk. Annoying that criticizing one person is seen as a defence of the opposite person or wking to some anons. Can we leave the wk complaints on posts actually defending a bias instead of posts that talk more about one person than the other?
This is why YouTube is fun because it's people not media trained and we get to watch what's usually bts become content lol.
I never watched Tati much knew of her and then subscribed to her after the JC stuff because I got caught in the hype and fun of unfollowong JC and seeing Tati get numbers because I figured the wee calculator JC was running the numbers.
Since finding out he feeds drama channels I wonder if he's on the stan sites too with his minions. This stuff is funny honestly imo. JC always rub me up the wrong way always discussing essentially his income he just came across very disingenuous. Yet he was sloppy so I followed him so I could catch his vents he's just a character to some people.
It'll be interesting to see when he comes back if he still has the same brand power.
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It's not just the beauty community though, that's just the nightmare timeline we're living in these days. I think the beauty community is just more prone to gossip and making and making a giant scene out of everything. Certainly some people do deserve to have their careers/lives ruined for their behavior, but more often than not no one's ever even given the chance to learn from their mistakes or grow as a human anymore. When people have learned from their mistakes and grown, the evidence that they were once a worse person is drudged up and thrown in their face. No one can ever win, except Jeffree because even though he continues to be an openly awful person, he gets an entire documentary series to prove he's slightly less terrible than he used to be and show off his shiny new character development to the whole world. >>807819
google is ur friend>>807887>>808064
10/10 perfect images. >Annoying that criticizing one person is seen as a defence of the opposite person or wking to some anons. Can we leave the wk complaints on posts actually defending a bias instead of posts that talk more about one person than the other?
I mean, this is obvious to most of us, no one here has any issue with debate/discussion. It's the Jeffree stans that do this to deflect any negative conversation with "omg why are u so obsessed with me??" Tbh I don't think mods give a shit about these threads because they let them be completely overrun the last thread and bury any convo despite numerous complaints and reporting. They stick out like sore thumb because not a single one of them has a legitimate argument for liking or defending Jeffree other than attacking the other person – same exact principle applies to Tati here (because they're likely the same audience). It's completely possible to have discussions about the rights and wrongs JC's behavior in this thread without mentioning Tati, but has there been any discussion of Tati at all that wasn't just "yeah but James!!!"?
So that's the question: can anyone give any reasoning for why it's acceptable for a 37 year old woman to abuse a trusted mentor/mentee relationship and publicly humiliate a teenage boy 18 years younger than her for her own personal and financial gain? Your answer can't have the word james in it, and since she insists it's not about her vitamins that can't be an argument either. Not saying it can't be done, I'd just like to hear some legitimate pro-Tati opinions.
Liberals, man. They're fucking retards. Imagine cancelling Lisa Eldridge because she used KvD? She donates all her money to a charity and youtube isnt even her main job.
They need to go outside, because no one else cares about this.
This makes Tati look like shit, and seems like Jeffree was really egging everything on behind the scenes (very believable)
I don’t see how there’s any comeback for this, if we assume that the screenshots were all real, even if we assume that he lied about the in person things
This is much better than the Laura Lee tier webcam video. He feels way more genuine in this.
Is Tati cancelled now? This is table tennis cancelling.
I can't wait for Tati to make a third video about this drama with her receipts, this is a shitshow! I love it.
So literally what everyone was saying about Jeffree and Tati organizing a take down was right.
Then people starting feeling a bit guilty because they thought he might kill himself, because his "family" turned on him and tried to turn all of his friends on him. "It's just business"
With friends like these who needs enemies
I still think the "I was being mobbed I felt unsafe, I forgot about my moms competitor" was a load of bullshit.
But I know now the whole reason Tati and Jeffree decided to fuck James up, is because he betrayed their little business clique.
He spends the whole video cancelling Tati and J*, speaking normally throughout the entire thing until he gets to the fake slow I'm so sad and hurt part for those sympathy points, and then immediately goes into a spiel about how cancel culture is toxic
I don't know if I'm missing something here, but I didn't see anything genuine here. His only argument is they are lying trust me on this, or believe me I have no reason to lie.
I'm just tired of this shit now, they're all snakes anyway so who cares. This has proven that neither side is good!
We can just enjoy the trainwreck now.
I think this is how it actually played out.
JC got into Coachella, on the second day he was in VIP, he wanted to be in the "celebrity" area.
JC makes a deal to get in there and thinks he can get away with it.
Tati is fucking insane about her Vitamins and fucking loses it, tells Jeffree to help her fuck him up.
Jeffree pulls out all the stops and contacts everyone. It trends on Youtube, Twitter, MSM pick it up.
JC is being cancelled. People start making shit up for attention.
People start to get worried they might have gone too far. JC drops his vid and proves that Tati and Jeffree wanted to fuck him over breaking from the clique.
I wouldn't. You see the end of the video where he says they hope they can all be friends? Fuck off. No normal person would say that if people who were supposed to be your closest friends turned on you and then called the entire internet on you. They don't care about anyone else but themselves.
I'd tell them they are fucked up people and get help. But really, they are all fucked up people so they can't point fingers. All the smiles and kiss kiss hugs are just fake shit to keep their image.
They are all narcissists.
Agree with the other anon, I think Jeffree went rogue. If those texts are real that's fucking hilarious.>man in his 30s telling a 16-year-old to "shut the fuck up" over nothing>lying about James hitting on Nate's brother (although it's weird that James didn't show their interactions if they were harmless)>messaging people calling James a predator and pedophile (??) for no reason
Honestly this situation is so tiring, I was siding with Tati initially but not it seems more like everyone involved is a socially dysfunctional asshole.
i feel like james was saying that to appear gracious and mature. this whole situation aside i despise jeffree starr and do not trust him at all. i would side eye the fuck out of any influencer who aligns themselves with him
sage for irrelevant
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I mean… literally no one gives a shit lmao. This video isn't getting traction the way Tati's video did because EVERYONE HATES JAMES. People have been dying to cancel him because he's fucking annoying no one gives a shit about the problematic
shit he's done. Screencaps of texts are easily faked so whoever wants to keep hating him will. This video does nothing. No one cares if Jeffree and Tati met up in an evil cave to take James down because people are likely grateful they did. James's subscribers are still dead and Tati and Jeffree are both doing fine.
Jeffree has been ripping people to shreds since Myspace and always wins because he's GOOD at it. I'm sure he'll put up a video exposing James with fake texts of his own and EVERYONE will side by him because everyone! hates! James! Get over it. They're all manipulative racist trash but James is just irksome for the most petty, trivial reasons and I'll be glad as fuck if Hitler rises from the dead and drags him into the gutter.
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James is regaining subscribers quickly. this shit is ridiculous. it's like they're all in on it and just doing it because they're bored
the only bit i agreed with him on is that people are using this as an excuse to be vaguely homophobic. the outrage over the poor liddol stwaight mens is ridiculous because straight men act like it's the end of the world when a gay man gives them the kind of attention they would to a woman. it's very much a part of toxic
masculinity and i'm glad he's bringing that up
lol i just said all the beauty gurus are sociopaths and all you could do was call me james?
Well thanks for proving my point I guess.
Literally everyone I follow is talking about how he's full of shit in the video lmao. Sorry. This video does nothing. He isn't gaining a fanbase nearly at the same pace as he lost it. There's statements from people who knew him in high school and that can't be undone. Him stating that people he had beef with used facts against him is hardly cause to come crawling back to him when the people who now hate him were never stans. And again: text messages are easily faked. This video is 30% possible evidence and 70% whining about how unfair him being thrown under the bus is. The DAY he was cancelled I saw thousands of people call out the hypocrisy in continuing to stan Jeffree and Tati over their own controversy. Because wow, shockingly, almost everyone who hates James is not an overly invested beauty guru lover. They just hate James Charles and were happy to see anyone, no matter how awful, remove him off the face of the Earth.
"We're all homophobic for James Charles" was THE relevant meme for James just before he was cancelled. And this was a joke that started in the LGBT community lmfao. He was being clowned to death for his shitty scam of a tour - how does this video undo that? Charging extra for babies? No one likes his ugly overhyped ass when he ain't cute, nice, or talented enough to justify the platform he was given for being the only beauty guru desperate enough to give KKW Beauty a positive review. It's the only reason he was invited to the Met Gala lmao the Kardashians practically own Anna Wintour. And they will make everyone they associate with seem like the most relevant. And the Kardashians sure don't give a fuck about this follow-up video. He's dead to them too. They're focusing on skincare now anyway.
you sound childish. Calm down. We're just discussing stuff, no need for a fist-fight >>808629
jesus. The only one left alive at the end of the day in this community gonna be Bretman Rock.
Currently there's a tweet gaining attention where it shows that the convos may have been edited because it shows May 2, May 3 and then May 2 again even though it automatically uptades time zones. Sorry for no cap.
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they're all scammers, literally all of them, but this is entertainment and like you said, a masterclass in pr. >>808624
someone on gg said maybe that was jeffree bluffing to scare james. but idk, shane is an absolute retard who'll go with whatever and believe actual abusers and racists, so. >>808626
same, and i didn't even agree with those who said "this is too harsh, let him learn", i was all "let him suffer he deserved it" and up until her 2nd vid thought tati was mostly genuine, i saw her game but appreciated her playing it against an annoying, over-exaggerated, sexual harasser.>>808629
game of fucking thrones, i tell you. this is delicious lol
did Jeffree still say he wanted to be friends with James a few days ago? Guess he changed his mind and has been sitting on some receipts when he saw his subscribers dropping.
Now he's a horrible sick person again.
you do realize the platform you're on, right?
i say let them burn
Apparently the reason nikita got cut off was for hitting on nates brother. Either the same thing occured twice or Jefree is recycling stories.>>808607
This. James is just so unlikeable lol
He's not a predator though that's just wild. He's a pathetic gay boy lusting after guys who don't want him. >>808624
I think shane is just coming from a friend PoV, when everyone was shitting on james he just made a statement about everyone being kind to each other.>>808643
This is pure cream
Apparently the reason nikita got cut off was for hitting on nates brother. Either the same thing occured twice or Jefree is recycling stories.>>808607
This. James is just so unlikeable lol
He's not a predator though that's just wild. He's a pathetic gay boy lusting after guys who don't want him. >>808624
I think shane is just coming from a friend PoV, when everyone was shitting on james he just made a statement about everyone being kind to each other.>>808643
This is pure cream
he can't sue, its a private message, that James exposed publicly.
Jeffree has to say he's a pedo publicly to defame him.
if it comes down to a game of fake text message screencaps jeffree is for sure gonna cook up better ones than james lmfao. jeffree was already exposed for all his beef and miraculously came out unscathed. he was lucky as fuck no one gave a shit about his texts to jackie because uh sorry to say all his fans are equally racist and don't care. but after that he was smart enough to not let himself fall into controversy again especially with his company growing.
rip james. he's got nothing. this is a game of gladiator at this point.
depends what kind of shocking disgusting grr
sister scandal Jeffree provides. Because from what I can see, most people really hate Jeffree right now, both big commenters and mere users.
First he got hit with the straight guys ricochet, now his obsessive weird texts to James came to light and people are mad he fought his lil brother (even tho he's not a child).
Twitter is fickle and full of hypocritical moralfags.
I don't think - despite what people say under his "receipts" tweet - that he's cancelled. He's been through much worse shit, as anon above said, and came out relatively untouched. But people won't side with him now, and will be more critical of what he bring in to the dramu table. He needs something BIG to get support.
Can't wait for his video, tbh. This is the best milk since a long time.
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I don't know, but Jeffree plans on releasing the video, hopefully soon. He made a snap about it.
I'm with the anons betting on Jeffree. He's been stirring shit since the MySpace days and knows how the game works. You can't cancel him. Jeffree can literally murder somebody and his millions of stans will say he did nothing wrong.
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Right, I believe Jeffree and Shane are collabing on an eyeshadow palette and they're also making another docu-series together. Shane's the true winner in all of this and I can't wait for his 24-part exposé lol. >>808691
And here's the Youtube link of Jeffree's snap for iPhone anons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjInz2sBIXw
I don't know anything about James Charles or those other two but this is insane. He didn't prey on straight guys let alone assault anyone. Pewdiepie's homophobic fans are out in full force. All these fragile straight men thinking their irrational fears about gay guys have been vindicated. The beauty community going along with it is even worse than anything I expected from them.
Also, Zara Larson is pathetic. First she pulls her homophobic dogwhistle while being an absolute hypocrite and then she just deletes her tweet without an apology.
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Maybe I just don't get their shitty memes but they're so gleeful about him losing subs, calling him "it", and buying into the whole gay predator thing.
Only people who fall for that are women. You cant manipulate straight men to have sex with men.
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>>808753>Jeffree's video detailing his concealer being stolen was trending>Tati's video exposing James was trending>James's isn't even on the list
It's because Jeffree has been licking Susan Wojcicki's (CEO of YouTube) cunt for quite a while now.
Notice how anybody who associates with Susan has their videos suddenly go viral, even with 100K views.
Since James Charles used to associate with Jeffree Star, this is how he always managed to land on the trending page. Now that their friendship is over, Jeffree told Susan to boost Tati and keep JC off the trending page.
It's that simple.
I mean… I can see it but not really? Never seen anyone call him trans or the community claim him despite his jokes. If you see him during his Myspace days it's obviously he was along the vein of a drag queen, and his humor reeeally reflects that. Either way people just like him and his content and no one is ready to see him go.
James was cancelled in the literal wake of his Met Gala appearance which broight an already negative response. There were memes about how he was kicked out for stalking Shawn Mendes so it was already attached to his reputation. That level of exposure is what got him cancelled so aggressively. Right now this "clapback" video comes from his descent into a cave. If he was smart he would've attacked when Jeffree was in a moment of high exposure himself.
Like I said, Jeffree's been doing this for years. He's smart. He made sure to drag Nikki supporting that concealer with a limited shade range IN his video reviewing the product.
Tati's video got taken off the trending page very quickly though. James also seems close with the CEO but I don't know anything about her or her motivations like I wonder if jeffree's video will trend or not
God this shit is so fucking stupid. they're all shitty friends. we're just watching the trainwreck on global news
>>808789>try harder stan
Just because I'm not licking Jeffree Star's glossy butthole doesn't mean I'm a stan for anybody else. Try harder, retard.>>808631
I saw the tweet you referenced but it seems like people are calling JC's receipts fake because of the spacing, which happens whenever you send texts through iPhones a while after, as opposed to immediately, if that makes sense.
The idea of friendships with the CEO is pretty funny, like…its a corporation.
They may do favours if pressed but all these Youtubers are is cash cows.
In what world do people seem to think going for drinks with your boss secures special treatment, it’s management. Any Youtuber with a brain knows that and exploits it.
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You’d think they’d be quieter, considering when he was actually besties touring with a literal pedophile he was very quiet until it all blew up. Tired song and dance of 20/20 hindsight.
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Jeffree is in the big leagues now, I'm sure he hangs out with pedo ceos and producers regularly.
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I can't believe that newspapers in the UK are detailing everything that has being going on with the drama. Imagine being an old man waking up to read your daily paper and seeing this shite. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7045401/James-Charles-hits-claims-tricked-straight-men-thinking-gay.html
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So, because he's "won", no one should (correctly) point out that he's a shitty person who isn't where he is from "being just that great", but by using shady tactics and hypocrisy?
I'm starting to believe being a J* fan is a red flag for just being a shitty person overall, lmao.
It's not going to be about Tati anymore. It's going to be a full on J* vs JC clash of the titans.
Considering how close they are in subscribers I'd say that's a pretty good metric to determine the winner but we won't know for a couple months.
It can happen. I myself am a kissless, hugless, handholdless nineteen year old homovirgin.
But I doubt James Charles has the moral integrity needed to pursue this path. Sex is too easy to come by if you're gay to remain a virgin, unless it's done willfully.
Then again, the fake-up is so disgusting maybe no one actually wants to fuck him.
Shane is joining the beauty comm, believe it or not. He is joining forces with Jeffree on a coming venture.
This video of James' is pure cringe. the sex assault allegations were unmasked as fake pretty fast and including them at any length is disingenuous. The ending is a pure appeal to 12yo, undeveloped brains.
Your speaking as if these people who profit off of the vultchers that pry on them getting cancelled are innocent, without social media they'd still be torn apart by the masses they owe as much to their drones to allow them to be shred apart, they profit hundreds upon millions from their accumulated fickle subs.
I hate to use the there's more important things going on fallacy but climate change is more of a concern than a few catty preteens the world's predicted to go into ecological decline in flux within the next 8 years.
>>808178>So that's the question: can anyone give any reasoning for why it's acceptable for a 37 year old woman to abuse a trusted mentor/mentee relationship and publicly humiliate a teenage boy 18 years younger than her for her own personal and financial gain? Your answer can't have the word james in it, and since she insists it's not about her vitamins that can't be an argument either. Not saying it can't be done, I'd just like to hear some legitimate pro-Tati opinions.
This 300%. You don't have to make a public statement on why your friendship ended uwu, thats a choice and one that people make to monetize drama most of the time. Tati stans have nothing
to say besides "b-but james!!".
If you're so blinded by Tati's fake niceness then imagine if she were a man saying "Guise I got manipulated by this girl 18 years my junior! I was abused and I now have to decide to punish this girl publicly bc she needs to learn!! uwu". Sounds sinister, doesn't it. All Tati had to do was to tell him the stuff she said in the video privately
and then cut ties if he fails to respond in a non-retarded way. Make no public garbage about it. And no, she doesn't get to decide to punish someone else's kid. That is insane.
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Doubt J* stans are “sociopathic” but they’re just his brain dead army of skanks hoping to soak up some of the good grace (like Nate whose image is literally curated as ~poor Midwest boy who came up because he was so unconditionally loyal uwu~)
>>808298>but I don't really see what's there to discuss, especially without using the word "James" since this is about him
Holy shit did you miss the entire point. Literally all I asked for was one reason why Tati wasn't absolute trash without that reason being "well James Charles is worse" and you made it the most about James you possibly could. Not only did you miss the entire point, you did the exact thing I pointed out as the problem.>hey i think "x" is bad>"x" isn't bad, "y" is bad! can't believe you're such a "y" wk! "y" deserved it! why are you even bringing up "x", this is all about "y"
As someone who dislikes all three personalities in this dramafest (four if you include Shane), I don't think what she did was trashy because "uwu 19 year old boy gets bullied by his mentor", I think it's because she has every right to cut someone off from her life and business for X/Y/Z reason and make an announcement about it, but instead of making it impersonal and vague she basically poured the oil and let the fans strike the match.
However I am enjoying the situation thoroughly. JC using these situations to highlight homophobia is hilarious. The haters in the past will still be haters, but he didn't have all those million subs and deals because of his godlike makeup skills. He got it because he used stereotypical personality traits to create a character. It brought him money. Now suddenly it's a curse upon him and his life? Nah.
Made an Imgur album for all the screenshots of the DMs etc James posted in his video
Personally, I don't know what to believe. Jeffree being a cunt who wants to be #1 is totally believable, but I can't quite process how Tati and Jeffree wold even plan this and backstab James like that (if every screenshot is real)
Ty for this anon, I cannot listen to James talk for more than 5 minutes without wanting to go deaf.
But are these really it? These are the receipts? How does this prove anything? I mean I guess it proves JC is a psycho, which we all knew. But these screenshots are clearly very one sided. Excited to see what Jeffree has to say tbh
I mean that's a given, he's thrived on the ”If I can't be cute I’ll be a catty drag queen gay bff! Bitches love that!” and t worked all the way from Myspace til now because the social media environment for that type of persona never changed.
At least he's not desperately trying to remain relevant on YT taking shots of his own jizz like Matt Lush>>808812
It's old milk, yeah. Hopefully, you're talking about J*? I’m just gonna assume you are.
It’s an example of a habit. It's repeated behaviour, he's quiet about things until he could be roped in by them. He's the loudest hypocrite in the room, clinging onto others who are praised publicly in a good light. He's a parasite. It's going to happen again and again because his brain is wired like an addict’s for the adrenaline rush drama gives him. He could benefit from a digital break more than anyone.
Also the idea that his stans aren't wking him is hilarious because even ITT people are saying ”J* is the best nobody can top him he's untouchable!”. He's only good at being a manipulative sociopath who’s not held back by emotions as he stomps over his collab guests to get a higher follower count.
according to literally who? he pays 25 million in taxes every year, he’s definitely worth a lot more than 50m. >kiddo
oh fuck off. this thread is attracting you autistic redditors in fucking droves.
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Jeffrees fans are so cringy
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This is in his likes… I'm guessing he won't deliver milk.
>>809247>i dont have hate in my heart>i wanted to pull up TONS of receipts u guise>but its not healthy uwu
kek who fucking called it he doesnt have SHIT
JEFFREE YOU LYING FUCK JUST ADMIT YOU FUCKED UP
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2/2 tati's statement on the issue
did she delete her bye sister video?
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Can any kind anon provide tl;dw summaries for these vids? I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't stomach another 45 min video, and I can't even look at the preview of Jeffree trying to look so sad uwu
without wanting to puke. (Don't really want to contribute to their views either, not that it would make a huge difference).
Anyone who is surprised by Jeffree's manipulative sociopath behavior or thought he was incapable of being the puppet master here has been in deliberate denial. It's been predicted/called out by multiple anons in detail in this thread and the last for how glaringly obvious it is. This is why it's so infuriating that mods don't give a shit about this thread, despite this milk being even more mainstream than ProlapseJared and people complaining for months/over a year now. They've been letting the Jeffree army rush in and bury any negative discussion at all. Makes us look like we're just as brainwashed as the drama channels who he's buddied up with.
Anyways, all the anons who've been fighting to talk about how insane Jeffyboy(/Tati) is time and time again and been buried, yall da real MVPs.>>808810
very wrong about me there, jeffree stan>>809247
soooo lawyers finally came into this. that's the only reason for this to stop.
Holy shit, again? Remember a couple of years ago when he put out the exact same giant proclamation no more drama uwu
in his racist apology video and then immediately started publicly shitting on TooFaced like, a few days later? Then when HFTT called him out on being a giant hypocrite everyone jumped on her for being a "jealous fatty"? He only "apologizes" and says he's too big for drama when he gets caught for his shady behavior.
Thanks for that summary at least anon, now I know since I saw his racism "apology" video years ago I don't need to watch this one. Drama channels, I know you lurk here, one of you needs make that giant cut of all the times Jeffree has said he wasn't going to be involved in drama anymore. It's free content.
it's the classic 'jeffree unfolds his angel wings' moment>>809150
imagine thinking cashflow and net worth are the same thing.
Crossing my fingers hoping this will ruin him once and for all, but at the same time I don't want to hold my breath because I know his rabid stans will support him and buy his products no matter what he does. I just hope that at the very least Twitter rips him to shreds and his reputation is tarnished a bit for trying to take down a 19 year old for no reason. I don't like James and his video felt artificial and manipulative, but no one can argue that he actually produced receipts and proved that he was the victim
in this situation. Fuck Jeffree and Tati's two-faced, horse-faced, wrinkly old asses.
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You were the chosen one! It was said that you would cancel jeffree, not join them.
M Night Shyamalan wants what this twist has>>809302
Although this means no more milk, this is he best outcome they all could have hoped for. I think when Ol’ Jeff saw his subscribers falling he decided to take the ”high road”
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We can all dream anon….but I just don't think it'll happen. He'll be weakened again but don't forget he's already got another Shane docuseries in the works right now. Jeffree's probably got a whole team of engineers crunching the numbers to determine the exact placement of a single eye drop to get him out of this as we speak. I mean we had straight up video of him screaming the n-word and other racist behaviors and that didn't kill him. James came with receipts, but so has every one else that came for Jeffree. James seems to have at least put a size-able dent in the armor at least.>>809316
I was surprised to see iNabber put out a video about him since he's been a Shane shill in the past, but I think like you said he's not in the beauty community so he doesn't know the implications of that. They're the only ones Jeffree couldn't put a hit out on, probably.
Probably more appropriate for the Shane thread, but Shane and Morgan Adams (Shane's sister-in-law) basically did a GRWM video, and someone asked Shane who his favorite guru was and he said>Jeffree! We ALL say Jeffree! Don't say somebody else, we won't survive the night!
He was obviously playing up panic for a joke, but then also later in the video someone asks Morgan something about youtubers and she basically says something like>Am I allowed to say that Youtubers actually aren't nice? They'll be nice to [Shane] of course but not to me
I kinda just assumed she was talking about Jeffree. He showers Shane/Ryland/Garret/Andrew with gifts but Morgan seems to have zero interest in him (or maybe he has zero interest in her because she's not man he can harass). Everyone else in the crew will be in head to toe Jeffree merch and Morgan didn't seem to have a single JS product in her bag. Even Ryland and Morgan's mom has Jeffree makeup and is a Jeffree shill now, but Morgan has nothing? Ryland did a video where his family was staying with them and he made them all put on one of the million Jeffree tracksuits they had and Morgan was super resistant to it.>TL;DR Jeffree's probably a completely awful person to everyone he can't exploit for good PR, not a shocking concept to anyone I'm sure
Legal agreements signed sealed and delivered, confirmed.
All three of the parties have something to hide, don't think JC is an angel either. His willingness to be silent speaks volumes. JS doesn't want a big lawsuit, and Tati overstepped herself.
and samefagging, said agreement goes something like:
1. Tati to take down 'Bye Sister'
2. Jeffree to make a public statement that some of his sources of information are 'rumour' or 'his interpretation of events' which he slips into his angelic video
3. James, Jeffree, Tati not to make further public comment = silence is golden
4. Everybody goes abut their business with no further revelations on any side
>>809355>>809372>>809382>don't think JC is an angel either. His willingness to be silent speaks volumes
No no no, this is 1000% the correct thing to do.
>JS doesn't want a big lawsuit
Jeffree loves to threaten legal action at the drop of a hat as evident by this fiasco (an others) that got swept under the rug. Basically he destroyed the career of a Filipino youtuber by sending his mass of fans harass her, because she used the word "Approved" in one of her videos. She was a small youtuber in a foreign country and he publicly threatened her with legal action, claiming that he held the copyright for the word "Approved" (he didn't, and even if he did it doesn't matter because she's not in the US). He did all of this 2 months before he was granted the copyright for "Jeffree Star Approved", but by that point the girl had already deleted her video and attempted several apologies to Jeffree. But he's so up his own ass he thinks no one in the entire world can use the concept of approval without it being linked to him. This is especially egregious and untrue because it's later pointed out that Tati already owned the copyright for "Tati Approved" 5 months prior to this. (But of course Jeffree's too busy being successful to engage in drama, as he's said 745 times before. That's not even getting into the racial aspect of going after a Filipino guru when every other white guru and even his own friends use "Approved" in their videos). Otherwise look at the fiasco with the artist who designed Jeffree's logo. They didn't have a contract in place and Jeffree was able to completely steal his design without paying him and escape completely unscathed
When it comes to Jeffree you need to have it legally mediated, otherwise he will bluff his way through publicly harassing and ruining your career like he's done before and tried and failed to do here. Jeffree doesn't want a big lawsuit maybe because he always gets away with just bullying people with the threat of legal action. Jeffree doesn't want to go to court because then he would have to admit under oath that he never has any evidence to back up the claims and threats he makes. I wouldn't be surprised if Jeffree scrambled to find something to sue over after JC posted that video outing how much of a liar he is.
This was the smartest thing James could have done here. Tati's also clearly losing her grip on reality with this situation as well, so having it in writing is probably the only way to ensure they would stop running their mouths and making false accusations against him. Otherwise it would just continue to be a back and forth of videos and responses. James got the last word here and he honestly comes out looking the best of anyone in this situation. >>809400
Dick pics of him were leaked years ago that he was apparently sending to people other than Jeffree, got swept under the rug as per usual. Can't remember if it was women or what though, not sure how it came into play with their open relationship or whatever they have going on. People think he's gay for pay or he's just with Jeffree for money, though iirc they've been together since before Jeffree started in on cosmetics and made money. imo I think that's giving him too much credit, otherwise this has been a real long-con for him. I think he's just not much of an on-screen personality and just keeps more to himself. Outside of Jeffree he just seems like your standard uninteresting straight white dude who just prefers fishing and hanging out with their dogs and playing video games to being shoved into Jeffree's spotlight all the time (Jeffree probably prefers it that way too).
James only comes out looking the best for a minute because he got the last word, and he sensibly cherrypicked his comeback to make sure everything he was talking about had a proper screencap (unlike Tati). He kept it legally accurate. You can be sure the things he DIDN'T talk about are quite interesting though.
Not a peep from the Dolan twins. There will be more chapters to James' life story I bet. He still lost his free business manager (Tati's husband) and that's the biggest blow to him of all.
Jeffree slimed on in and slimed on out, relatively unscathed. He truly knows the YT power game. Tati didn't really lose much imo, her reputation's about the same (overdramatic, silly pills) and her recent sub gains were artificial anyway. James was the one who needed to get his rep somewhat back and he did that to a large extent before they all went silent. Balance is restored.
Has JC got any deals other than Morphe? He might like to diversify his portfolio, and I don't mean singing..
Lol his trademark bullshit is the worst.
Remember when sent his stans to harass TooFaced and Laura Lee again because, you better sit down now, they had the nerve to bring out blue eyeshadow palettes after Jeffree revealed his Blue Blood palette?
He's nuts. He thinks he's the only one who can make a certain coloured eyeshadow palette. I actually can see him trying to find any loopholes as to, why Laura and TooFaced copied him (you obviously can totally produce an entire palette in a few days, just to anger Jeffree).
He think he owns everything, I bet he even tried trademarking colors and simple words like "star" lmao
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>>809409>sensibly cherrypicked his comeback to make sure everything he was talking about had a proper screencap
I don't understand what you're butthurt about here, genuinely. Jeffree provides 0 receipts, Tati provides 0 receipts, James provides dozens of receipts, not just for himself but for Tati and Jeffree….and that makes him the one cherrypicking?
>You can be sure the things he DIDN'T talk about are quite interesting though.
Ok but like what though? You could say this about literally anyone at any given time about anything. What about all the interesting things Jeffree hasn't said this whole time like….anything even remotely true?
>He still lost his free business manager (Tati's husband) and that's the biggest blow to him of all.
How is this even remotely a blow? First of all James obviously wasn't JC's manager at all, or else he wouldn't have been outright ignoring all of his "client's" texts and attempts to get in contact with them following Coachella. Second JC says in his video he signed a contract with SBH, if James was professionally involved with him in any real way there's no way JC would have signed a contract without him taking a look at it or advising on it. If he wanted to stay in Tati's good graces he would obviously advise against it, which would not be in the interest of him or his "client" in any way. Thirdly, and most damning, if Tati's free business manager husband advised her to go out and make a massive idiot of herself against JC (also his client in this scenario you're proposing), putting her entire business on the line with zero proof to back up her claims, than he completely fucked over both Tati AND James, which would just fuck him over at the end of the day. You've basically just described the worst possible business manager from every angle.
>Has JC got any deals other than Morphe?
Has Tati got any deals other than her own minimal business that people were already on the fence about? That she's now probably just tanked even more? JC has had his final word on it, he can move on back to his usual videos. Jeffree and Tati are the ones who will look like complete idiots if they try to just move on without acknowledging what happened in any way.
>There will be more chapters to James' life story I bet.
I mean….unless he dies, yeah?
>Not a peep from the Dolan twins.
Yeah, and Jeffree was the one who was claiming he had their support and was going to put them on camera, so if their silence is is damning for anyone it's Jeffree.
>Tati didn't really lose much imo, her reputation's about the same (overdramatic, silly pills)
What about this scenario says her reputation is the same? Tati just got outed as basically a massive liar and manipulator, as did Jeffree (though we all already knew that). That video was only out for 10 days and she literally already had to hide the evidence of how badly she fucked up. That's Laura Lee levels of back peddling.
>Jeffree slimed on in and slimed on out, relatively unscathed
Not even remotely true, stop trying to sweep Jeffree's part in this under the rug.
C'mon now, we've been through this a thousand times already. I get that you're trying to divert the attention from Jeffree like always, but at least be less obvious about it. Just say you like Jeffree or Tati or his makeup or whatever instead of making up complete nonsense to somehow try and make everyone around him look worse, no one gives a shit. Everyone in this scenario looks stupid, but if James somehow ends up being the adult in this situation it just makes them look that much worse.
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JC will probably hit 15M again today while Tati might fall below 10M. J* is barely affected at all.
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What a lie
I don't understand what's so hard to believe about this? A lot of people lose their virginity in their late teens/early 20s, and that's if they're straight and are surrounded by their also horny peers in college. Just looking at it logistically anal sex takes way more planning and hassle than vaginal sex, it's not something you could just do on a lark in the heat of the moment as easily. Also the entire issue here is that he's attracted to men who aren't interested in having sex with other men.>>809441>>809446
I don't think it's an unusual personality in the community, really it's that he's fucked himself over by making so many public proclamations about it
The only answer to this is J* is Cluster B. Anyone who has ever intimately known a Cluster B personality understood and identified those texts the second they saw them. That being said, I understand it would be really hard for someone with no experience with this personality type to get what's going on.
The easiest way to explain it is it didn't matter if he actually believed it or not. The opportunity to tear into someone he resented and was intimidated by the growing success of AND feel like he was being morally righteous in doing so was literally intoxicating to him. One thing that makes me believe JC's testimony is legit is that it's hard to fake how a Cluster B works themselves into an insane froth. I.e. The series of texts to JC where he gets more and more extreme each time, going from "I'm so disappointed but NOT surprised .." to "YOU DESERVE TO FUCKING ROT IN JAIL!!!!!!!!!" in like 5 texts without ever letting the other party get a word in edgewise. Those texts literally turned my stomach and made me feel slightly ill because they are so unmistakable. It is creepy how Cluster B behavior is so similar from one person to the next.
I understand that most of the world does not have close experience with a Cluster B personality. But for me, there is absolutely 0 ambiguity or room to debate on this topic. Regardless of what JC or any other party here did, this situation clearly demonstrated Jeffree is an out-of-control Cluster B and therefore untouchable. Morals, truth, and human decency are literally not concepts that actually exist in any real way to a Cluster B except when they can use them as a weapon against someone or as a defense to get out of some corner they painted themselves into. I am sorry that more people can't understand this about J* and continue to debate whether or not he "had receipts" but I also wouldn't wish the experience of dealing with one of these fucking literally inhuman monsters on anyone.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
>what is sageing
>cLuStEr B, nOn-nEgOtIaBlE
while i understand the points Honest makes, he makes them so badly, interspersing his /arguments why/ J* is toxic
with his dummy opinions.
i'm still amazed how J manages to evade cancellation time and time again. how stupid is the rest of the beauty community if HE is the only one smart enough to survive direct drama.
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>>807756>thoughts on everybody who thinks Jeffree Star is racist?>thinks
"I don't even need to go to Japan to be surrounded by yellow skin and eyes too slanted to see sun. Walking down the street becomes a gauntlet as little Asian schoolgirls do a woodwork popout. After all, it's called J*pop for a reason."
Sounds racist to me.
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So there was only like 2 things I’ve seen people say that James didn’t cover, and the only interesting one was Gage. Idk who tf Gage is, so if anyone could give a short run down or some sort of evidence that would be great.
There’s a bunch of stuff Jeffree has accused him of, by why anyone would put stock into anything J* says is beyond me
100% JC comes out looking the best. His video was also the only one I watched every second of (or even half of tbh) and was genuinely entertaining. I never watched one of his vids before and didn’t like him but now I’m impressed ( don’t worry I’m not gonna start stanning him though )
Fucking kek at how silent the Tati worshippers on reddit are — the ones who were present in 21 megathreads and thirsty for tea up until last night
If you ain't got an argument, just slander their political view
Who even is this irrelevant idiot?
he called you a pedophile, a rapist, a 'danger to society' and blasted you all over social media
i think james is scared. hopefully this has taught him not to associate with people like that in the future.
When you say you're a virgin, people expect you to not have had any sexual experience. Oral sex & masturbating one another until they come is sex.
It's a bit catfishy imo.
get a job phillip>>809472>>809493
please at least sage your off-topic shitposts
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>>807756>and your thoughts on everybody who thinks Jeffree Star is racist?
Fuck off honestly, we've been going in circles around this for years every single time a new piece of evidence comes out. There's literal proof of his racist behavior provided by multiple sources multiple times. Jeffree's racist, he might not think he is, but he is. There's nothing to think about or talk about here, we've moved on. If you're genuinely asking about these claims, you're asking to be spoonfed years of info.>>809445
I mean, yeah he was absolutely bullshitting to take James out, but I'm just as confused as you are about how much of that he actually believed. My guess would be, as is the theme of this entire thread, teenagers are dumb idiots. One of them probably pulled an "omg he's like, sooo obsessed with me" and Jeffree saw the opportunity he'd been looking for and ran with it. I think he never actually thought he would need to back up his claims, because usually just threatening people is enough to make them crumble like >>809402>>809496>>809480>If you ain't got an argument, just slander their political view>slander: verb, make false and damaging statements about (someone).
This isn't slander, it's a literal screencap of her political views. If he hadn't provided proof to backup his speculation, then it would be. Even then saying "I bet someone is x" isn't saying "someone is x". But there's nothing false about it.>>809494>>809409
THIS would be an example of slander. Making damaging claims without anything to back it up. Either put up or shut up about this. Either provide some insight, ANY insight on these ~things James is HIDING~ or shut up. Otherwise you're just diverting the attention from Jeffree and Tati with baseless speculation.
All the Jeffree/Tati goons in this thread, yall aint slick. If you're going to try and pull a>but her emails!!!
on James to try and make J/T look better at this point, at least have something to back it up other than just "bUt JaMeS!!!", because so far James is the only one that's actually backed up his claims. We're all happy to talk shit about James here but you have to actually give us something.
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receipts produced:>jeffree: 0>tati: 0>james: a bajillion>>809409>but james (no proof)>BUT JAMES (no proof)>bUt JaMeS (no proof)>jeffree is fine uwu (40 minute video with proof of their behavior, couldn't produce any of the receipts or threats he promised)>tati is fine uwu (40 minute video with proof of their behavior, had to delete her 45 minute video of lying)>BUT JAMES!! (no proof)>bUT james (no proof)
lmao neutral analysis….sure jan, stop samefagging we're not letting jeffree out of gay baby jail as easily this time and tati has to serve her time as well, for all intents and purposes james has been cleared of all charges in this situation and is free to go, so unless you have some new milk to share there's nothing more to say, stop obsessing over him
eww, him going on about how him keeping his underwear on or only "servicing guys" when hooking up is him assuming women's role is so backwards and gross. just say you are an insecure bitch and need therapy and go.
how do flamboyant gays manage to be so regressive wrt women when women cape for them so much idgi.
lol im not that other anon, its just hypocritical that the entire thread has been eviscerating tati and jeffree (rightfully so) but the moment someone doesnt buy everything james says either its "omg SLANDER".
and there are still questions i have like whats up with that greyson guy, arguably thats the worse accusation of the "victims
" yet he didnt address it in the video. he never denied catfishing his entire highschool either (though thats no longer relevant as it was always just added fuel to the "predator" fire)
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I can't say I understand how people can "pick teams" in this whole mess, because they all seem like snakes (Jeffree most of all, but he's always been a piece of shit), but it's entertaining. What the fuck was Tati even trying to do, lying like that? She had to have known those texts existed. Should've just left it at the vitamin crying video and quietly blackballed him like real professionals do instead of spilling all that hyperbolic, falsified "predatory gay male" dirty laundry, but I guess her narcissism compelled her to try and publicly humiliate him as punishment for "betraying" her.
Jeffree really slid in thinking he could kill the competition with all that faux morality about "being a predator" and some extra lies on top, too. And of course, he had to slither back into his hole when he realized that whatever he was hanging over James' head after his response video would just blow up in his face, since we all know Jeffree's definitely done far worse things from the MySpace days (or even earlier) up til now.
I have to say, you haven't lived until you've witnessed a racist, lizard-looking gay man get defeated by the younger, less abrasive version of himself, lmao.
James is annoying as fuck but I’m not sure what you’re on about, he showed proof on everything that jeffree and Tati were accusing him off. I’m pretty sure the cat fishing in high school was confirmed to be faked by a girl who wanted attention. If Greyson was “molested” like jeffree said how come he hasn’t publicly come out? How come both twins called James? Jeffree has a huge fucking history of being a drama fag and being a shit person in general. If Grayson was molested again why didn’t jeffee/Grayson go to the police? They’re all egoistical people but holy shit Jeffree is awful compared to all of them. >>809591
Kek! He does look like a lizard. You’re right anon, jeffree didn’t have receipts and backpeddled.
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Jesus christ it's not that at all, I can't believe we have to keep explaining this. We've gone through this for literal years
in these threads with Jeffree: no one gives a shit if you like or dislike someone here, but it can't be…>A: i don't trust person x>B: why?>A: WOW SO BUTTHURT CAN'T BELIEVE ALL THE X WK HERE
or>A: [irrefutable proof of person y produced by person x]>B: idk seems fake?? what about this thing person x did tho??>A: ok? doesn't make the proof they have any less real?>B: WOW SO BUTTHURT CAN'T BELIEVE ALL THE X WK HERE
…over and over again. This is literally the story of every single Jeffree scandal, look through the last thread.
Jeffree calling Jackie Aina a racial slur:>yeah but he was correct to call her a racial slur because look over here at how bad SHE is
Daved proving 17 different ways his caps of Jeffree using slurs were real:>idk seems fake he's just doing it for attention
HFTT calling him out on anything with dozens of videos of proof:>well she's a jealous fatty
Video of Jeffree screaming the n-word at the top of his lungs:>but context! they probably weren't even black women so it's not even racist!
James Charles providing 45 minutes of Jeffree's lying, manipulating, and outright hypocrisy>james cherrypicked all of that proof he had of jeffree being terrible, what's he hiding?? jeffree will be totally ok though
This is why he keeps getting away with this shit, so that's why it's gets called out. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking the accuser, and everything to do with not letting Jeffree's bullshit be swept under the rug for the 87th time.
Like saying you have questions about Greyson is totally reasonable, no one's mad at that. I don't even know what you're talking about with that or catfishing an entire school, so share that info so we can talk about it. (Though I guess I would be confused how him doing something in high school has anything to do with the current situation tbh) You can dislike James (or whichever person of the week has proof) all you want but it doesn't make the proof any less legitimate. It's the people who are trying to divert for the sake of diverting with no actual logic that get called out (like >>809409
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but it goes the other way too, why hasnt grayson come out to clear his friends name? and why did he block him initially? im talking about the screencap that james himself posted in his vid >>809425
i dont doubt that jeffree lied throughout this whole thing, but "molesting someone in their sleep" is a pretty big lie. but its true theres no real evidence and grayson hasnt said shit so its as good as nothing i suppose>>809628
you guys were the ones pointing fingers "WOW everyones a J*/tati stan!!" which made me think you guys were james stans too, but fair enough i havent been following these threads at all so i honestly dont know their history. i pretty much just jumped in recently for the dramu.
for the highschool thing i found it came from one tweet, so again 0 hard evidence. unless someone comes out with pics its just gonna be another rumor, but it seems everyone in james old highschool hates his guts regardless
>>809555>Fuck off honestly, we've been going in circles around this for years every single time a new piece of evidence comes out. There's literal proof of his racist behavior provided by multiple sources multiple times. Jeffree's racist, he might not think he is, but he is.
I asked in the youtube beauty guru thread why so many (on the internet in general, not here) think hes an angel etc when theres been so much evidence that hes a shitty person idgi. I watched his racism video which was apparently a "apology" video and like…it wasnt? It was a fucking "boo hoo I was wacist because people were mean to be for being gay when I was younger so its excusable" it was a 20minute sob story and the comment section was like "aww poor jeffree hes had it the hardest in the world" like I laughed when jeffree went on about james being manipulative. All he had to do was say what I said before was shitty, I realised it was bad and wont do it again but just like with this drama it has to revolve around him and how hes been personally effected and how much he has suffered blah blah blah.
The issue that jeffree has with james I feel is that james is too much like him and he hates that. I was shocked when he talked about how nate identifies as straight bc I assumed he was either gay or bi and that hasnt changed, if hes fucking you jeffree, he aint straight. They are both two peas in a pod although from whats been presented only one has sexually assulted someone and it wasnt james. Oh and before I get any salty replies this is coming from someone who hates james. The kid is annoying, I thought he had his head up his ass for charging $500 to see him like bitch your a dlist celeb, but regardless when it comes to serious allegations then there best be reciepts and given how big jeffree talked this up before cowering and deleting the tweets he deserves to be dragged for this shit.
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Anon please dont make me laugh like that
>>809555>definition of slander
oh wow you just undid this whole gossip imageboard anon. we're all gonna pack up and go home!!
your boring moralfag posts are very obvious anon.
Samefagging- I can get behind your points about the racism evidence right here but then you go James wee wee wee again. It's like you can't accept some people can think Jeffree is racist and James also ain't great. You seem to think this is some vast moral crusade where we must. pick. a. side otherwise wee wee wee!
Your posting style is so distinctive that its against the rules and guidelines here, sister.
His twitter is still up>>809900
They are on twitter just search gage James Charles
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ntayrt but jesus christ, we don't care if your feelings are hurt by Tati being a proven Trump supporter. Just go find another rich middle aged white woman to feel bad for and shut up, it can't be that hard.
Anyways, went to Tati's yt page to see if there were any updates and this was at the top of her page lmao. Not sure if it shows up that way for everyone or if it's random, but still made me kek.
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i hope this is bullshit. gg is next level autistic. who the fuck thinks it’s a good idea to call someone’s parents over internet shit?>i didn’t know what to do with this information i’m scared wah
either they’re lying or they’re actually that smooth brained. if you were really scared of getting assblasted by some rich guy’s lawyers, you wouldn’t be posting the shit online let alone contacting the woman in the first place. i don’t see what possible good can come out of it anyway, isn’t she homeless and mentally ill? this weird fuck needs to leave her alone and stop cowtipping
"She signed an NDA!"
"She was willing to breach the NDA to talk to some stranger from the internet!"
I think Shane Dawson is a shit stirrer for the views! I'm not sure what the business is him and Jeffree and then thru Shane all his little cohorts. Ryland maybe, camera guy Andrew seems like he came in business first then friends since he only tweets when he gets paid (like about what he's filming or doing fan service for the the Adams).
I was put off when first hearing Shane wants to do now do make up after all the years of him clearly not having passion for the 1000s of girls products etc he tried. And now to suddenly be practicing and all promoting the shit and sad fans thinking its just a bunch of great gal pals. It's all business. Where was the energy when Shane was fucking a cat lol
The fact is Jeffree implicated Shane in those texts which made me think Shane and Jeffree are looking for a hook on their upcoming beauty guru docuseries where they'll be shilling the absolute fuck out of jeftee star and Shane products. Would have been even better if they could have taken out a competitor for the views too but no, they pounced too soon.
Now it seems all the media teams are getting involved now and organising meetings between clients not friends. This is all business but Stoner boy Jeffree gets his lines blurred a lot, flies off and says some shit. He thought he could help cancel James on rumours. Guess Jeffree must have taken a bigger hit on his stolen products earlier in the year.
I think it's all a business tactic.
Shane's a poor guy looking for acceptance from other people. He's easy to manipulate and wants to be liked.
Look at Jake Paul, he had an easy game, Shane was eating out of his hand and boosted his carreer.
Jeffree knows this too. He's showering Shane in gifts, deals etc because he knows 'Shane Dawson' is a big name on YouTube who brings him new subscribers and customers with every interaction.
If he releases a palette with Shane it could be the biggest bullshit, but millions of people are going to buy and love it because it's a Jeffree x Shane product.
Jeffree also tried a bunch of times to interact with Jenna Marbles.
Why not, getting a bunch of her subscribers and millions of views by doing her make-up or having all of their dogs play together would be a great deal.
Jenna's friendly with him on Twitter, but she knows better than to ever collab with him cause she knows how problematic
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There's this conversation in response to his deleted nudes post.
Don't know who this Nick is.
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that duping delight tho
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They're taking it out on her because she acted like a literal toddler who instigated all of this drama and set an angry mob on a teenager over gummy bears and wasn't even smart enough to remember not to completely lie about the entire thing. All because….why? her feefees :(((
. If she was one of these idiot teenagers it might be forgivable, but if at 37 years old she hasn't learned that her actions have consequences then she deserves it and she should seize this opportunity as her chance to learn that lesson.>but officer you can't lock me up, I only murdered that man out of hurt feelings>>810536
tbf he's an attention whore for voldemort too
Jeffree's heart was replaced by a platinum LV one a while back. I don't think he feels it.>>810790
Can you not lose the plot every time someone holds even a minutely different view to yours. Yes there are genuine whiteknights here but you also pounce on anyone and everyone with your rants.
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This thread is a goddamn mess. We all hate Jeffree and everyone is just screaming at each other for admitting we also hate other people too>ur the jeffree stan>no UR the jeffree stan!!
Can mods just make Jeffree wking bannable at this point, like we've been asking for since the last thread? So we can move on? This shit is exhausting, this happened because mods let the actual Jeffree stans from the last thread go unpunished>>808863>>809494>>809409
can you stop samefagging with this "james charles is hiding something u guise!!" shit unless you have some actual milk to share about any of them? because otherwise we still don't care that you think that and you're just derailing
Kek!! Thanks for the picture anon >>810856
Indeed, If James is hiding something we need proof other than that it’s just sperging, it’s annoying as fuck. Jeffree has many receipts from his past therefor he’s a valid
cow (not saying James isn’t completely we need actual milk than just hEs HiDiNg SOmEThInG”)
Every drama channel seems to be a Jeffree stan.
The only one I can think of, who actually doesn't like him is Here For The Tea, but she's a lying bitch, so…
>>811099>Every drama channel seems to be a Jeffree stan.
tbh i just think everyone hates james and dont really… want him uncancelled. i dont follow anyone involved with the beauty guru community but the day tati exposed james my feed blew up but no one has posted any updates on this since.
im too embarrassed to watch tati anymore tbh. she seemed too serious for this. jeffree is already somewhat of a comedy act and looks like a literal clown so i dont think people will have a hard time keeping up with him after this. his career isnt dead for trying to take down a mostly disliked beauty guru when he came out unharmed after saying hed throw battery acid on a black woman to lighten her skin.
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>>810936>why do you keep posting in this retarded manner? why can't you handle any other point of view than one you write in your own essays?
Holy shit I'm the anon you're replying to and that was my first post in this thread. I'm not whatever anon you keep accusing everyone of being, but I'm guessing you're the "BUT JAMES!!!" anon and >>810827
because literally why would anyone be so buttmad about being asked to provide milk or stop derailing. Are you triggered
by greentext or something? Why don't you go take a timeout in your sensory sack and come back when your autism has calmed down.
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Not sure about much of the way Youtube's payment system work, but when a video is deleted does that mean she won't be paid for that month's monthly views?
I don't think it implies she'd owe them money, but I'm wondering if it genuinely impacts pay or is just social blade's keeping proper statistics.
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Keeping Shane-specific dramu in the Shane thread, but this bit from from Ryland's most recent vlog seems more relevant here. In the video Ryland says it's his birthday (May 14) when they're filming
>Ryland: Everytime I walk downstairs there's a beauty person on the TV talking about products
>Shane: Uhh…..God there's so many things I wanna say but I don't know when this video's going up. I thought the Jake Paul world was scary and drama filled….the beauty world's worse.
>Ryland: It is like so cut-throat and like everyone…..seems to be very manipulative…..
>Ryland: ….on all ends
If it was shot post-James video I wouldn't think anything of it, but he's literally trying to pull a "There's good people on both sides" even though he's still the #1 Jeffree shill at this point and has been for a long time. He's def trying to act like he had nothing to do with any of this even though he has the most followers of anyone involved and outright tweeted an ad for Halo Beauty right after Tati's video. They also include a lot of Rich Lux clips/references in the vlog…..who's just another Jeffree shill.
Oh and also there's this nightmare where they show their couch and they literally have a giant pillow of Jeffree's face. Just thought it was kind of a weird thing to do in given everything that's happened since the 14th.
>>811282>came out unharmed after saying hed throw battery acid on a black woman to lighten her skin
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Some ambitious person needs to just create a Jeffree Star master-post of all the caps of atrocious things he's said and done and gotten away with, there's just too many to remember. HFTT did that hour long video of JH that was supposed to be a series but then got cancelled cuz JH lost her shit over it or something but….couldn't she turn that energy towards a Jeffree takedown instead? There's easily hours and hours of milk, it could be the next big youtube docu-series. That's free content babeeey>>810936>why are you reee-ing about 2-3 day old posts?>why can't you handle any other point of view than one you write in your own essays?
nta but could you at least try to be a less obvious samefag? the 2-3 day old posts you're referring to all have the same one opinion, and you're the only one shitting over someone questioning that one opinion, lmao. (Greentext included for triggering
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It's a very small group of people who could claim on this. Seems like Tati has form: https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/pewdiepie-accuses-tati-of-copyright-striking-videos-about-james-charles-drama-647618>>811414
samefagging is replying to yourself in order to make it look (fraudulently) like others are in agreement, it doesn't refer to posts by the same person that you don't like.
She didn't delete it, it's just unlisted. You can still watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoVZg4KjRxU
Not sure if embed works with unlisted videos.
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I doubt she lurks, there's plenty of much easier places to find people taking shit about her
She finally uploaded a new (prefilmed) video, anyone actually watch it? (I just don't really want to give her the views). Also what a weird/unflattering thumbnail.
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I'm a dumb bitch when it comes to how YouTube works but I checked archive.org's Wayback Machine to see if the video has been archived - it has been.
Now for me and apparently a few other anons, the video hasn't been available since last night. But the video has been archived twice today, with a difference of ~2,000 views within a few hours. Puzzling>>812567
There was nothing super notable about it besides how it got the same amount of views all of her other videos get despite the millions of new followers.
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This image can apply to all youtube drama atm. I'm sick of ''e-celebs'' using depression as their get out of jail card.
I subbed back when she just did the nail art videos because they were very satisfying to watch and I did learn some things. Never enjoyed her personality too much but enjoyed the content enough.
Then she broke that fucking nail and for me it was all downhill from there. Her obnoxious behavior went up 1000%. The more you see of her personality when she's not focused on just doing a nail tutorial it shows that she is not funny or entertaining to carry a video about something else.
And I can't stand how funny she thinks she is. Like she cracks herself up over nothing. How many times in a video does she say something completely unfunny and the sentence ends with her squeezing her eyes shut and doing that voice where she can't even finish because she's laughing so hard. And constantly going 'lol remember when I did nail art' yeah that's the only reason I'm still subbed because I'm waiting for useful content again.
Glad you posted this because you reminded me to unsub already.
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Welp, here we are.
She acts (and looks, to an extant) like a 12y/o even though she's what, 30? I went through a period several years ago where I would binge watch her videos, I found her really funny. But she got old and boring fast.
I'm not sure if she really fits in the "beauty community" category though
Yeah this whole thing is ridiculous and honestly I’m pretty positive Jeffree was egging Tati on behind the scenes. He’d take out his biggest competition and his biggest competitions biggest supporter/‘mom’ Stan and also try to pull at the threads of her reputation. Tati met James’s family, she was just looking out for him and enjoying this part of her life by helping someone much younger; people do this literally all the time she’s not a fucking predator and that waters down the term. There is absolutely no proof of that very serious claim about Tati. Didn’t she basically just post a dramatic/emotional Instagram story about James supporting another product brand instead of hers? She could have been fucking up by tacking on James’s sexual comments, but men like Jeffree sling mud all the fucking time? Why is she getting torn apart, no one should care.
Sjw’s are going hella overboard to prove that ‘men’s sexual violence is treated equally’ yet this is a fucking circus of bullshit emotional responses that if anything weaken the argument. Men in and out of the industry constantly treat women like this openly, but it’s not a thing because they’re assumed to be straight and should just shut up and deal with it? Men literally make money just to have leverage on women’s sexuality is this real. Why does it have to turn into an argument of who should get more respect based on their gender roles and assumed sexuality when it’s supposed to be equal treatment
Dudes do what James has done constantly. I’m not saying who cares, but the only reason this is getting big is to ‘take him down’ and it’s really obvious and lame as hell people are so threatened by a teenager. I don’t even like him and really hope he figures out how to address this properly and fucks up Jeffree who is fucking 33. He’s closer in age to Tati than James yet he’s getting none of the heat for being a genuine real ass proven predator who brags about essentially raping drunk straight men all the time
Jeffree is a much bigger fucking problem, i want Tati and James to stop being little bitches about biotin pills and make up to save both of their careers.
James doesn’t need Tati to save his career. He’s fine.
I can’t stand this bullshit about letting Tati get away with what she did just because she’s not as bad as Jeffree. James Charles was the only victim
in this specific crime. This isn’t even the first time Tati has been an idiot, apparently
I find it ironic how a while ago she was shading Tati and her love for branded water but is now acting as though they're bffs suddenly during this very dramatic season and keeps mentioning her.
If anything, she's as bad as all these other people trying to social climb because she's doing the very same thing at this point while preaching 'woke' stuff. At this point people don't seem to care what she does because the moment she donates some money everyone goes 'oh wow! she's so wonderful!'
If I were Tati rn I would so fucking worried, Jeffreak is playing the victim
at the moment and how he was "mislead" about JC, I'm pretty sure he's going to do something and throw Tati under the bus to save himself and his trashy image.
I predicted this JC/Jeffreak fight since the first thread, but let's see if J* gonna drag Tati to save himself or not
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Mykie has had some Michael Jackson-quality pointy nose surgery as well as the full veneers installed lately. Pics related, from her stories today.
These are screencaps, in motion it's very obvious this is not a natural nose. She did admit to having surgery to smooth out a bump on her nose bridge, years ago, on her abandoned vlog channel. I think she admits to some
surgery but not everything, as of course people notice some change. It does seem the nostrils are slightly botched and asymmetrical compared to before, which makes me suspect surgery beyond what is confirmed. With the veneers she confirmed getting the vampire teeth/canines in, but didn't mention actually getting the whole set done as has clearly happened (at least this was not confirmed on Youtube, I don't watch her stories much so maybe she has referenced both of these)
Same anon, looking at her older pictures she did already have - what I can see now is an obvious fake pointed nose - but the asymmetry is worse now and it is even more pointed, so it seems like she did a revision which made it more obvious/worse.
(Now I can't believe I ever thought that was a natural nose tip).
Ew, wtf? How was James Charles a victim
, he got what he deserved, to be taken down a notch. Even if he wasn’t a predator exactly, he was still 1. Trying to force his sexuality into Gage 2. Trying to sell shitty and potentially harmful vitamins to his 12 year old fans and 3. A toxic
being in the community because of his exposé video on the community and his need to bully anyone who criticizes him. He was willing to leave Gage to the wolves and refused to ask his fan to stop attacking Gage. He’s just as much of a snake as anyone in the industry and if you want some truth TTTT, his video literally only worked to deflect attention away from himself and push it onto J. I’m not saying J
didn’t say some fucked up shit, but he really wasn’t the one on trial, no matter how annoying he was, and all James did was push the attention to Jeffree.
First, nice reading comprehension >the only victim in this specific crime
1. I’ve asked multiple times here and elwhere about this Gage drama. No one ever responds. The only thing that has actual info about it I’ve seen so farseems to be drama channel videos (I assume), which I prefer not to watch because obvious reasons. So if you could show me something? I might just watch the videos anyway but shit
2. Fucking KEK that anyone can take this argument seriously. Tati’s vitamins have risks too on top of being snake oil. And why are we gonna act outraged about people being a bad influence for kids when they’re fucking makeup gurus
that are selling kids consumerism, body shame, sexual stuff, and products that are bad for their body in every video they make
3. All the beauty gurus are shit. Why does that mean that JC deserves to be called a predator any more than the rest of them?
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Don't take the bait anon, it's just the same "bUt JaMeS!!!"-samefag who refuses to actually provide any milk the 472 times we've asked already. They're just doing the ole' Jeffree song and dance of trying to divert attention, mods ignore our never-ending complaints, Jeffree goons destroy the thread, yada yada yada.
Speaking of, Jeffree's back on his bullshit trying to get people back in his pocket with his "generosity uwu". You'd think people would be wise to this by now, he's just throwing out a million lines that he can someday reel in as "I GAVE this person their career (by sending them a PR package/RTing them
) and all they did is BETRAY ME (some benign action he can perceive as a slight directed at him later down the line
)". I don't know why I'm surprised, but I thought this would finally be the one to topple Jeffree. I guess having a makeup brand people like is helpful though – can you imagine if Tati tried to pull this shit with her vitamins?
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>>815819>100m+ a year
Source? I never really thought he made that much. I knew he was a millionaire but there's no way he's that successful.
I was reading his Wikipedia page looking for some answers and it's so poorly written it reads like it was written by one of his 15 year old stans lololol
A-anon someone in this thread said he's a b-billionaire >>807821
I'm sure he must be.
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samefagging to add i googled it and found this. not sure how accurate it is so take it with a grain of salt. looks like it’s actually 50m, not 150m. i also forgot he owns a lot more than just the cosmetics brand. it briefly mentions his weed line, that’s probably pretty profitable too even if it’s “small” compared to the makeuphttps://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/a23101713/jeffree-star-net-worth/
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New photo on her IG: Yeaah this is new. She had pinched nostrils and a pointed shape before from the underside, but the tip was round. Now it's pointed. Pointed teeth and nose, she's gone elfin.
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It's just the angle.
Pic is from October 2018.
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The Jaclyn Hill lipstick saga is wack. Chunks of plastic, gritty pieces, hair and holes in the lipsticks. Rawbeautykristi did an in depth video about it and Jaclyn is lying to cover her ass. Spoilered bc its fucking gross.
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The hairs are embedded in the lipstick. How the fuck were they from latex or rubber gloves? And this was DURING quality control apparently.
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Marlene (Makeup Geek CEO) has been going OFF about the JH stuff.
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There's a lot more on her twitter, she's been ranting about it for days, but I thought her pictures were interesting. The plastic in hers resembles the little balls in the JH lipsticks.
At any rate, Jaclyn has got too much money to be cutting corners like this every time she launches shit.
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White gloves as in cotton or nylon product inspection gloves. They are not powdered.
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Those fibers are far too thin to be human hair. Has anyone put them under a microscope to settle the matter?
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Here’s a screenshot from a Jaclyn fan account that has a picture of the same Jaclyn lipstick on Jaclyn’s vanity from 2016. I wouldn’t be surprised if all these are from this same batch and she waited to launch until her divorce was finalized.
To me it looks like the mixture used to make those lipsticks was extremely botched. Like, amateur level. The tiny holes near the tips were 100% caused by air bubbles that were trapped in the product while it was still liquid, due to half-assed mixing process. Admittedly, my knowledge of moulding is basic, but one thing I know for sure is that if you don’t mix your stuff properly to remove air before pouring it into the mould, you’ll get bubbles stuck to every nook and cranny near the bottom, which means your finished products will be covered in holes on the surface, just like those lipsticks.
The grainy texture and mysterious beads are probably just ingredients like oils, waxes etc. that were also poorly mixed in, without being thoroughly melted first and later started breaking down because of that.
The fibers are just baffling though. Clearly, they got into the mix because there was zero quality control (cotton gloves, sure Jan. I’d be surprised if there were any gloves involved at all) but why is there SO many of them? Did they use some old dusty mixing vats that nobody bothered to clean first? I’d understand if one, maybe two lipsticks in a batch had a fiber embedded inside, shit happens during production. But nearly every single one? Fucking unbelievable.
I can’t even say the lipsticks were cheaply made because it’d be an insult to actual cheap lipsticks that are infinitely better quality than Jaclyn’s. She didn’t give a single fuck, nor did whatever Chinese backyard “factory” she got to make this trash.
this is my working theory. production was probably rolling along on these lipsticks and then abruptly halted by JH due to legal matters or otherwise. either the lipsticks themselves or the mixture from which they were molded was probably plucked off the assembly line mid-production and placed somewhere without cover or regard given to contamination because that costs $$ and both JH and the shoddy factory she was working with don't care about cutting corners at the consumers' expense.
this is what happens when dimwits with a camera suddenly think they can become business moguls just because they can apply eyeshadow halfway decently and have a horde of yes-men and gullible stans behind them.
Damn she was really trying to make these influencers look stupid. If she didn't know about the nasty lipstick, why did she have a completely different batch made up for PR?
The only opinion she needed was the opinion of the influencers to move that dirty batch. People buy it, don't like it, well it's cause you're a big dumb idiot because all these "pros" say otherwise. They'd all have her back saying "well mine was top quality so you must be lying or not know enough about makeup".
Bless this bitch for exposing this shit.
I realize that. I didn't say he filmed his summer collection video the day his dog died, my point is that at the time his dog passed he was hyping up his collection by retweeting stuff about it and was all happy and days later he baited with his "something to someone happened". He should've acknowledged it directly and not wait a few days to bait with vague tweets, but in his life there's a time for marketing and a time for real stuff. His dog died during marketing time so he ignored the thing that broke his heart
and waited a few days to address it in a video that will get millions of clicks
take the tinfoil hat off and do a little more research next time. first off, like another anon said, that shit was definitely prerecorded. second, animals are
family members. just because you don’t see it that way doesn’t mean most people don’t. hasn’t he had some of those dogs for like 10 years or something? that shit is devastating. yeah voldemort might be a raging cunt but jfc he’s still capable of feeling sad when his dog dies. i’ve seen other spergs saying the same thing about his “vacation snaps” and it turns out those were prerecorded too, so it looks like his story of being in hiding for 4 days is legit. also pretty sure he has an assistant that retweets/posts announcements and shit for him on his twitter just like every other iNfLuEnCer that’s popular enough.
Supposedly, her lipsticks were made in a factory out of California, which can mean anything in this world. I think her lipsticks were packaged in the US but not entirely developed here, which is a loophole a lot of companies use to make their products look more ‘authentic’ or whatever.
I’ve been following the drama since this is probably the worst beauty fail I’ve seen come out of the community, and I’ve been in and out of the gossip for a few years now. Some of her lipsticks honestly looked absolutely vile, especially the ones with the bubble shit on them. That made my skin crawl.
Honestly, I don’t get why so many of these gurus seem to always get contaminated, nasty, 99 cents store makeup launches with the money they make and how passionate they claim to be about the industry. Even when they partner with bigger companies who have more clout, somewhere someone discovers mold, shards of something, animal fur from a rat that got cooked in the production line, or repackaged shit from years ago. I know the US doesn’t have strict rules about cosmetics, but I just assumed most manufacturers monitored and tested products at some point to ensure nothing was wrong with what they are selling. These gurus literally release makeup that was sitting in a room somewhere and was scraped off the floor.
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Faggot king Jeffree's sending out his teen army to harrass an airline cause they lost his luggage in which he packed an $60K Birkin.
Love how he's threatening them. I hope he doesn't get his stuff back. "Karma"'s one of his favourite insults, now he got some too.
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God, there's something kind of hilarious about Jeffree trying to bully a Dutch airline over the internet, as if they know or care who he is at all. I'd bet money he already tried to pull a screeching "do you KNOW who I AM?" with them in person or on the phone to get his luggage back, and it obviously didn't work. I mean all 7 pieces at once is pretty sus, but how fucking stupit do you have be to be that irresponsible? #PrayForTheBirkin reeks of "Kim, there's people that are dying" energy.>>831544>Why is he acting like a whiny little bitch about it? He keeps bragging about how much money he has, just buy a new one.
And honestly…..would it even cost anywhere near $60k to charter a private plane? This is him probably throwing a temper tantrum over them not knowing who he was. If he can afford to replace the $60k bag (which doubtless, he can) then he can certainly pay to replace the drugstore makeup he's so heartbroken about>literally threatens the airline over a bag>but it's the drugstore makeup u guise>i don't even care abt the bag :(((
Prediction: he makes every single person who works at that airline's life hell, gets the bag back or compensation and then makes a big show out of selling it or donating it to charity because "i don't even care abt the money uwu it was never about the bag uwu" OR makes a big show out offering to hire to the employees he gets fired because "everyone makes mistakes uwu i'm bigger than that uwu"
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He nonstop talked about it and he got his luggage back.
Those poor airline employees probably got harassed nonstop for the last 48 hours on every platform
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I don't know what happened to Nate, but boy does he look ugly with that hair.
y'all are pissing me off today.
"doesn't he have enough money?? just buy another??"
his grossness and cow-status aside, he was a paying fucking customer. had some twitter binch or nibba psoted about KLM losing their luggage y'all would've gotten out the pitchforks y'all bought over United-gate.
this isn't fucking milk. this is a person using social media to fucking stand up to a big company.
and to fucking top it off >can't he just charter his own?
y'all idiots should be thankful at least on this one flight he wasn't actually decadent enough to waste that much kerosene and emit that much carbon just to fly by himself.
i'll fucking repeat myself: he was a /paying/ customer. them losing his luggage wasn't ok, regardless of what ever the fuck he chose to put in there.
saged for advanced REEEaction
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holy shit calm down lmao
Man, I know Jeffree-stans miss the point on purpose, but y i k e s. He's a paying customer, most people are paying customers. He could have just kept it between himself and the airline's customer service – or did you miss the part where he publicly threatened the airline even after they already promised him they'd get his luggage back? They lost the luggage, they were working on getting it back, he literally says that in the first tweet >>830725
There was absolutely no reason for him to throw a public tantrum about it, other than to get his way faster (which most paying customers don't have the luxury of) and to brag about his $60k bag.
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A bit OT but is anyone else following the drama between r/beautyguruchatter and the IG beauty guru Lillee Jean (@lilleejean)? Shit is getting real interesting.
Basically somebody on beautyguruchatter made a post calling Lillee out for having 1.1 million followers on insta but extremely low engagement. Most of her followers appear to be bots, but she's still gets sent pr. She's also suspected of running her own fan accounts, who are all either black, muslim, gay or trans.
In addition her mothers is insane as well and is claiming Lillee went to the Met gala and posted pic related on insta. She also claimed that Lillee has been on the cover of teen vouge.
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This must be the boldest attempt of pretending to be a "social media star" (like her bio says) I have ever seen. There is no way this girl has 1,1 genuine followers. The looks she does also are very poorly done, same goes for videos. There is almost no appeal to her content at all and she is in no way what the Instagram audience desires. Amazing.
I think she and her mom might soon deserve a thread.https://m.imgur.com/gallery/XgO6rCS
- caps of the mom’s autistic screeching at reddit.
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This is hilarious!
Her mom needs to stop trying to make her into a celebrity.
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Also I've never seen an IMDB page that doesn't actually have any credits on it before. Her mom wrote her bio too.
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Holy crap, this has been going on for years. This is fucking hilarious.
Even the refund is shady. Most likely, she's only issued it so that the people who accept the money back have no chance of legal action against her in the future. It's more of a "here's your money back, now you can't sue me if my makeup injures you" move, rather than an apology.
The best thing would have been to recall the lipsticks, because once people started finding foreign substances (plastic/metal/cotton fibers) inside, no matter what reason Jaclyn gives for the substances being there, the lipsticks are contaminated and a health risk. Any foreign substance is contamination even if there's a "legit reason" for it to be there. If it isn't lipstick it shouldn't be in the lipstick.
also saying "sure they're not up to my standards, but they're still perfectly safe for use" is an incredibly stupid thing to say, a huge liability, and opens her up for lawsuits from anyone getting injured/sick from them. At every turn she has made the wrong move on this.
I get that people are annoyed the refund wasn't offered sooner, like she really wanted to avoid giving that cash back.
Her mothers post on Insta pissed me off. Thanking people for their 'ooh love and positivity at this hard time' and basically talking like J isn't a grown woman. Sounded like she sees J as a victim
here and no mention of the fact that accountability was all people really wanted here. Guess the positivity dried up after that cos she went private on Insta. It was such a biased 'my beautiful daughter' type mom-post
She legit looks like she's 12.
What is going on with her teeth >>832869 ? It looks like she still got her baby teeth.
Can someone please make a thread on her, I'd love to follow her bullshit
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okay so the lilleejean bat shittery goes waaaaay deep, I haven't seen that many sock puppets with stolen pics in a long time. too much of a newfag myself but I'd love a thread too. the fake fan accounts follow each other. the reddit thread got locked but people were pointing out the blatant fakery (next couple replies will be caps) - this is excluding all the claims she got death treats, sperging in YouTube, trying (poorly) to dox people on bgc. the cow and mom are full of milk.
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'fan' accounts - these are just the ones that were following the fake fakeboi stan account (infinitelilleejeans is an almost hilariously self-aware name) SHANIQUA is her pretending to be a black woman. she's got other every ethnic group or minority covered across the 'fan' accounts, race, religion, orientation.
I would love a thread too .. It seems like she bought all her twitter followers as well. She has 11.000 followers but the only people who ever like or comment on her tweets are her mom.
She also only has 2800 subscribers on youtube .. I guess YT subscribers are more expensive than IG followers kek.
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a bit OT but enjoy her beautiful art
Hahaha, top fucking kek.
1 Million followers, 38 comments on average. Hilarious.
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So….what's the deal with Michelle Phan coming back but as one of those "lo-fi chill beats to whatever to 24/7" streaming radio channels? Video description:
>Hi. I missed you…
>Let's catch up soon ♥
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This is the first video on her channel in 2 years, but when if you search Michelle Phan on youtube, it seems like she's starting to reappear in other people's vids? Wonder what she's up to. Staging a comeback?
She said on the Off the Pill podcast that she doesn't really want to step back in because of the toxicity of the community. So she'd rather have the playlist on her channel so it can be a 'cool calm place for music lovers and new creators to share their work'
But then she also goes off on this weird fake woke, i took shrooms and found my soul in a forest, type rant on why Bitcoin is the future. Which is pretty milky on its own
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this is from bunny's most recent video.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Did he photoshop his ass?
James is never going to transition, his whole tired "thing' is being a guy who wears makeup. If he becomes and transwoman, he wouldn't feel as "Special" if he was transgender. It'd be better for his straight man fetish though.
Maybe when Jeffree gets tired of sugar baby Nate, he can go with the newer model James.
I'd die if James weird fake lipped ass got with Nate's rapidly aging ass, it'd be hilarous.
Jeffreak claims with all his heart that Nate is Straight, I have no doubt James would do the same to whatever broke boy he gets to play his boyfriend.
So no doubt James would play by the same rules? Saying his boyfriend is straight yet they fuck him?
According to Jeffree he brings Nate women when he asks for them. Nates a kept man, so I'm certain he'd love an James if James would have him.
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no you're not the only one. even before she became famous i found her so grating and kelly-eden-tier annoying trying to be nerdy and kawaii and all the things.
congratulations, you have a symmetrical face. unfortunately, a personality doesn't seem to come with that so you just fake being a GENKI girl.
I liked Mykie for a while, but she's become really LA now and it's making her seem so inauthentic. She had Swarovski crystals cemented to her canines (which like, ok, cool, whatever) but then she decided fuck that and got whole veneers. Now her teeth look too big for her mouth imo I think it makes her look a little scary.
why are veneers like the new popular procedure to do? I know good teeth add a lot to your attractiveness, but it's horrifying what happens to your real teeth and I think they enter the uncanny valley more often than not
This. I'll take her with all her flaws over Jeffree, James and incoming stinky Shane.
I don't think she's a bad person & she doesn't make the platform look bad, but James & Jeffree's weird ass do.