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Dramageddon 2.0: (Previous thread discussion starts: >>804726
)>Tati Westbrook (37) posts a 43 minute long video entitled "BYE SISTER …" ripping apart previous bff James Charles (19)>Tati and James previously had a very close "mother/son" like relationship, including James doing her makeup on her wedding day, and Tati taking credit for helping him gain popularity>This comes after James posts an ad for "SugarBearHair" gummy vitamins on instagram, claiming they helped him with security at Coachella>"SugarBearHair" is the main competitor to Tati's own vitamin brand "Halo Beauty", hence the perceived sleight>Claims that James has displayed predatory and inappropriate behavior towards "straight boys">James, as is the norm on youtube, releases a lack-luster response/apology video to Tati's allegations>Jeffree Star claims James was banned from his house and is a danger to society for his actions, despite Jeffree being in a long-term relationship with his "straight" boyfriend Nate>Despite James hemorrhaging subscribers, he still currently has more subscribers than Tati
Current Follower Count:
Tati Westbrook: 9.4 Million
James Charles: 13 Million
(Wanted the keep the OP General since the last thread lasted 2 years. This is a tough topic to create a neutral summation of as it's very divisive. Feel free to add on anything missed)
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He basically is on good terms with the YT CEO, and she asked him to come alongside five other youtubers. There was actually a theory that the reason why Tati's video suddenly disappeared from trending was because of this very friendship. I have not found any confirmation of this though.
I never really followed Tati, in fact, I dont really follow any beauty gurus except Jenny69 because she actually knows what the fuck she is talking about when it comes to make up application.
But I went in watching Tati's video with neutral expectations. It's still a dramatic video so there is always room for fuckery but she never struck me as somebody who would intentionally blow something out of preportion for clicks.
After I watched the whole thing through I agreed with her choice. It wasn't just about vitamins, it was about James's behavior over all. Maybe Tati has a cunty side too but so what? Sometimes you need to be in that industry. Her and her husband did A LOT for James, and I do believe she really was trying to build him up because she did care about him. Why would she fly him to her wedding on her dime? Why would she allow him to do her make up for one of the biggest days of her life if she didn't believe in his abilities?
Plus she actually took the time to address everything and maybe I'm wrong but I don't think it's even monetized. Several people in the comments noticed there were no ads playing in her video, maybe another anon can confirm because I don't know how. But in light of Jame's lame apology that he quickly deleted, I don't know how people can really make Tati out to be the bad guy. She acted as a Mother figure and a role model to him and helped him when everybody else was quick to right him off for being problematic
. Sadly they were right and Tati ended up finally having to accept the truth about his character. She tried to guide him in the right direction but he is way too self centered to listen.
Maybe you can blame that on his age, but you also can't mature without having to face some shitty things about yourself. James comes off like a hugely entitled, spoiled brat so of course it's gonna take A LOT to humble his dumb ass. And if losing his subs at a free fall rate doesn't do the trick I don't know what the hell will.
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She's old, she's the "cool mom" of the beauty community. She's not YOUR mom, ew your lame mom would never understand why you need this $25 lipstick….she just doesn't get it!
Plus since she is older, it gives off the vibe of "too mature for the drama", which is why I think this video makes her look 100x worse than JC – how immature and insecure as a nearly 40 year old successful business woman do you have to be to be so threatened by a dumb horny teenager that you throw a temper tantrum and try to destroy their life? James is annoying as fuck and taking him down a peg certainly doesn't hurt but he's not the adult in the situation.
I love the part in the video where she whines about how she had to apologize to all her grown up friends for his behavior because if I saw that happening I would just think "Ha, what a stupid teenager. I remember being that embarrassing. They'll grow out of that
." But I was at a party and saw a grown ass woman publicly screaming at a teenager who's not her child about how terrible of a person they are I would think "WHOA what the FUCK is she doing? Should we call the cops?
Had to go back and find the quote from that one anon in the last thread >Like who's the actual predator here? The one lurking on boys 2 years younger, or the one lurking on boys 20 years younger?
Fucking this. Her whole defense of her being friends with J* was "well he's always been nice to ME"
She only cuts ties with people/companies when they do something to her personally. Like, she cut ties with Too Faced because Jared was mean to her a party of smth. She doesn't care about the rest of the shit, she just keeps the dirty laundry so when she does cut ties, people applaud her for it.
Like don't get me wrong, James Charles is awful and I'm happy people are seeing it, but Tati's just as self centered. She's just smarter about it.
Yeah not really. She didn't have the same relationship with Jeffree like she did with James. She doesn't call Jeffree family, but she considered James close enough to be considered family. >>806577
How is she being a cool Mom? If she was a cool Mom she would support Jame's innapropriate humor and possibly his behavior too. He is like 19/20, at that age I knew better not be grossly sexual at a birthday dinner…in fact I think MOST people at that age know better than to behave that way if they were raised right.
Y'all are really desperate to white knight this fool lol.
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Old milk but I’m sure J* hasn't changed at all, young gays learn this from old gays. It’s inherited arrogance and misogyny, part of the Catty Gay BFF trope.
What motive? It would be easier for her to remain friends with him for business purposes if that's what this truly is all about. She helped grow his career, opens her home to him, gets her husband to help him, and she isn't allowed to expect a little loyalty from him? He told her he didn't want to promote her brand because he has young followers, then proceeds to promote another brand's melatonin gummies for a sleep aid lmao. Yeah I would be pissed too. I don't give a fuck about their ages, they are both adults and James should be held accountable for his bullshit just as much as her.
Tati isn't a crone and Jame's isn't a toddler (even if he acts like one). If your Mom takes away your phone for not doing your homework do you tell her she is being immature? Probably lmao. Run a long little one.
NTA, but how can anyone be so blind? She's an opportunist. >>806600
This was her way of punishing him for working with her rivals. It wasn't a "Mom scolds kid and takes away his phone" thing. She was never his mother, lmao. This was "I created you, and I can destroy you, too". She'd been sitting on all this dirt up til now without ever actually reprimanding him so she'd have ammo. If James is a predator, Tati is someone who capes for predators until they cross her brand.
She's like an aged Regina George. Manipulative and fake as fuck, lmao. All these people are like that, and if you can't see that, you're the "little one".
>>806594>How is she being a cool Mom?
Holy shit you're stupid, that's the point she's not actually cool she just tried to pretend she's cool.
>He is like 19/20, at that age I knew better not be grossly sexual at a birthday dinner…in fact I think MOST people at that age know better than to behave that way if they were raised right.
Again, holy shit you're dumb. James is absolutely a little shit but no 19 year old would act that way at a real dinner party, given the amount of success and money he's made at only 19 if nothing else it can be assumed he knows how to network properly. BUT being stupid and candid around someone who you think is a peer and a best friend makes perfect sense. If he's already THAT candid in front of his parents think of how much dumber teens act around their friends. I mean, look at his vids with Emma and the Dolan twins (back when they were friends lmao) they're dumb teens doing (the expensive youtuber version) of dumb teenager shit. The problem isn't that James was an idiot, he 100% was, it's that Tati threw her back out trying to be "the cool mom" with the teens and actually just outed herself to be the worst strict parent of all time.
Jeffree's the strict parent who's a giant hypocrite and severely punishes their kid for smoking pot even though they were the biggest pot-head and did WAY worse drugs at their age (and still does). Except instead of the old "do as I say, not as I do" refrain, they kick the kid out of the house and somehow use it as a sob story to sell their MLM leggings on facebook.
Did you even watch her video? She showed a clip where he called her Mom (it was brief because she was speaking at an event, but she was talking to him and you can see him saying "thank you Mom"). She also said he called her husband Dad. Yes I know she is not his bio Mom, but the point was that was the nature of their relationship. Try to pay attention to the subject material you're actually commentating on because I swear to God none of you took in a damn thing.
Tati didn't stay quiet for so long because she was carefully watching James and taking down notes so she could make an epic take down video someday and take all his subs… that's a real reach there. She stayed quiet because she cared and was hoping he would change, you know like most people would when it comes to family and friends. And she said very clearly that she DID express her concerns about his behavior MANY times before she made the video, but how would you know that when you didn't even watch it? Silly me.
Look I'm sorry you're favorite beauty guru is tanking as a result if his bullshit. I know it's got to be hard to be a James Charles fan right now. My condolonces fam, I'll take my leave now and let y'all cry over the consequences of his own actions lmao.
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What are you even talking about? No one was ever denying James called her Mom, Tati wouldn't shut the fuck up about it the entire video.
>she was carefully watching James and taking down notes so she could make an epic take down video>epic take down video>epic
So you're saying a 40 year old married woman was carefully watching a teenage boy? Got it. Are you one of those cringy middle-aged women >>806647
was talking about? Seriously, why are you so obsessed with Tati? Haven't seen delusional whiteknighting this bad outside of the Jeffree cronies. No one in this thread has said James wasn't being stupid or he didn't deserve to be taken down a notch, but that doesn't mean Tati wasn't being an immature self-serving cunt though. The only one who's a clear fan of anyone specifically in this situation is you. Go take your Halo Beauty™ suppository and calm down.
Not to "hi cow", but this maniacal, illogical defense of Tati and screeching that everyone who sees things for what they are is a JC stan is looking a little off to me.
A woman in her 30s-40s who cries over some predatory gay male shilling someone else's fucking hair vitamin pills can not be classed as a hero.
Once you turn 18 or even get a little older (because I'm assuming you're not
one of the people involved here, just a dumb stan), you'll realize this.
I don't really see why it matters since everyone is talking about the predatory behaviour and not the vitamins. He's hated for so many reasons and that was just the trigger
for his reckoning which was always inevitable
that what i mean, everyone is talking about predatory behavior that was already plain to see that everyone talked about in collab videos.
It's fucking bizarre to me. Suddenly they need Tati to tell them something is bad? They sound like mindless drones that need youtube videos to tell them their moral compass.
Tati's vitamin scam feelios were hurt and she took the opportunity to ruin JC's life. An adult woman old enough to be his mother. I've said this a long time ago in an older thread but Tati really, really should stick to her makeup reviewer lane. Drama doesn't suit her, especially since she tries to pull the uwu innocent bean persona and it really
doesn't work when adults do it.
Gay men lusting after straight dudes is not a new thing. It's just like when men are too pushy about asking women out when they can't handle rejection. It can't be addressed without addressing what is wrong with men at large
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I don't see why it's creepy, I guess it could be putting herself in a role that is easier to manipulate at but this happens a lot. It's usually not white people, but if she felt like a role model and mentor who was giving help while maintaining a friendship the ”creepiness” is just nonexistent. I don't care for her and I think she's a two-faced, passive-aggressive, ”If I don't get what I want watch out” type who'd weasel free things from stores after asking to speak to the manager-but to imply its weird or somehow inappropriate when there's clearly no issue is a reach. She's a networker, she's using it to her advantage as a businesswoman and felt ”wronged”. She's a spoiled brat, but she's not trying to prey on teens. Is it because he's a guy and she is married to a man? I'm not sure what you're seeing there tbqh anon
NTA, but it gives me similar vibes to the "sonfu thread" on /m/, lmao. Nothing really off
, and could easily be completely fine/platonic, but just enough to make you go "Hmmm…".
I agree that this was probably just one of many social/business stepping stones for her, and she might've hammed up the emotional aspect just to get viewers on her side, but I can understand why some would find it weird.
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That's fair, I can see that.
I think it's definitely exaggerated especially when you can tell by her body language she is almost repelled by him if you watch their vids kek
Even in this thumbnail: Faked happiness that is more like a grimace as she faces away, hand not gripping back in any hug or awkward hug situation (hand open almost like she's blocking him, or ready to push him away)
He looks totally immersed in himself, if she was using him for popularity with younger subscribers he would be too self-invested to notice
all this armchair body language analysis.
perhaps she's turned away because she doesn't want to smash two faces slathered in makeup together. curving his energetic contact isn't that deep.
Obviously it's not okay to sexually harass anyone ever, but it's kind of gross that the Internet is rallying around the straight/straight-ish guys JC has preyed on without question while when sexual harassment victims
are female, they get scrutinized and questioned and not believed. And even here, everyone's whining about Tati. Sure, she's a cringey, materialistic YouTube shill, but that's not why we're here. We're here to drag a honking, mouth-breathing narcissist who thinks he's owed sex because he's "famous" and has never done a moment of introspection in his vapid life.
I’m not saying she’s definitely some sort of sexual predator but all the focus by her and her fans especially as a mother figure weirds me the hell out, like she should not be that invested in a random teenager for a professional relationship…>>806871
Actually we are here to talk about whatever we want in the YouTube beauty community, hence the thread name. The only reason anyone cares about him thinking he’s entitled to sex is because he thinks he’s entitled to sex from men
Okay, wheres the Jeffree Starr is cancelled thing? Oh yeah no one gives a shit.
No one is being consistent, they are all just being opportunistic vultures at an all girls highschool.
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>>806799>1. How are there still people who haven’t learned the lesson of the decade after it’s been drilled into us over and over: never stan a man
omg I hate JC so much now, what a loser!
omg I love Tati and her new collab with J* !!!
Are you fucking stupid? Did you read the previous thread at all? There's literally months of people talking about all the shit Jeffree does, but the second we mention Jeffree his goons come out of the shadows to try and divert attention and sperg about how being openly racist isn't even that big of a deal you guys are just sensitive
. Not to mention the Shane thread where there's also tons of discussion of how awful and disgusting Jeffree is. It's like how >>806682
said, since Tati's aligned with Jeffree now the Jeffree goons come out for her in full force with zero logic to their whiteknighting at all.
Holy shit I can't get over how stupid and ignorant this comment is. Is today your first day on the internet?
They manage long texts and reply very quickly even when I'm invested in a conversation I don't manage multiple long texts in the space of a minute. Was everyone involved literally glued to their phones and doing nothing else?
(not flooding just redoing because I forgot to sage sorry mods)
>>806870>Armchair body language analysis
Are you trying to assimilate? Keep it up buddy!
Body language is easy to read, even if you can't read minds using it. It’s also easier to decipher the meaning when actions have been taken after. She's not developing new feelings of disgust towards him, she was already embarrassed by him and and humiliated in front of her friends so badly she felt she should apologize.
She didn't owe anything to JC but she was also two-faced and condescending (Imo idc about the later I find him incredibly disturbing and he could Develop Shame). She was a ’frenemy’ caping as somebody who cared about him, she discarded him like a Narc.
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and thats why they get away with it.
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She won't, she's too smart to attempt that. That's the problem with Jeffree, he's the worst possible human being but he's also a PR genius and has dirt on EVERYONE. He befriends the drama channels so they can't speak negatively about him (pic related: Peter Monn, PettyPaige, Rich Lux
), bribes Youtube to keep his videos trending, and openly talks shit about people/brands so everything thinks "omg he's the only honest one on youtube!"
. Take Rich Lux who used to openly talk about Jeffree drama, but since meeting (and doing a whole Mukbang with Jeffree and Bunny) completely takes his (and Shane, Tati and whoever's in Jeff's good graces) side, perpetuating the delicately crafted narrative that Jeffree never does anything wrong. Shane, despite having some ~18 million subscribers at the time, never had one of his videos given a spotlight/trending on Youtube – UNTIL he did his series with Jeffree Star. Tati, despite having waay less subscribers than James or Jeffree somehow manages to have her video about James explode to 40 Million, and Jeffree's right behind her the whole way. Jeffree outright admitted to bribing youtube to help videos trend in one of Rich's videos.
That's why it's so fucking stupid for someone to say something like >>806906
. People have been trying for years. Even on lolcow whenever we try to talk about Jeffree, whiteknights suddenly come out in spades to divert attention or "idk seems fake" every single piece of evidence. If Jeffree openly calls Jackie Aina a racial slur, suddenly everyone wants to talk about how bad Jackie Aina is. If HereForTheTea makes a video of completely valid
criticism of Jeffree, suddenly everyone wants to talk about how much of a jealous fatty she is. If some idiot hairdresser proves 7 different ways that his texts from Jeffree are real, everyone still says "idk seems fake" and changes the subject to him. If we have literal video and audio evidence of him screaming the n-word, "he was screaming it at WHITE people, so that makes it ok
" and "being openly racist isn't even that big of a deal you guys are just sensitive
Look what happened to everyone involved in Dramageddon 1.0 - everyone who went against Jeffree had their career destroyed EXCEPT Gabriel Zamora because he completely jumped ship. If you read the last thread at all, every single attempt to discuss Jeff's behavior get's overrun, and every defense is "fake news" "but I liked him on Myspace, so that excuses his behavior" or complete diversion to the other person's activity.
Anyone who's ever tried to come for Jeffree even with airtight evidence of his terrible behavior has been decimated. He's knows exactly what he's doing, and he's just that good at what he does. If Tati had any common sense at all, she would stay on his good side. He's un-killable, he has too many horcruxes in the form of dirt, money and influence. With Shane added to his army, he now has the support of people even outside of the beauty community. Jeffree is just taking out all of his competitors by turning them against each other (The Dramageddon group of best friends, James and Tati who were apparently like family) James Charles was easy prey, he's a young idiot kid who let his guard down and acted the way teenagers act with them because he thought Jeffree and Tati were his peers and "family". Jeffree and Tati were the predators in this situation.
He's gay, dude
Stop trying to make fetch happen, it's not going to happen
Yeah it's like, "omg shittalking Tati? That means you support JC!"
jesus everyone gets so caught up in picking sides in this garbage heap of humans.
Thank you. When I saw Jefree quickly jumping to say JC is a danger to society I completely saw through him finding this opportunity to tear more of his competition down. If you look at the number of subscribers and views James Charles was one of the only youtubers in the beauty community to rival Jeffree Star. He's pumping out videos since the JC downfall, if he keeps going it's going to be glaringly obvious. I don't think Jeffree Star plotted with Tati, he just saw an opportunity. And he would do it again with any other influencer that was of no use to him anymore. Tati better watch out, though her audience isn't in direct competition with Jeffree's so I doubt he cares.
James Charles is fucked up because he grew up surrounded by yes men adults and rich socialites with fucked up personalities such as JS himself who get anything they want and brag about it. When JC was underage he already was an opportunist and had pretty shit parenting (his brother who is even younger than him dropped out of school to also become a youtuber even though he had no other fame than by association to JC and his parents allowed it?), drop him to live on his own with the hypersexual instagram/LA beauty crowd while he transitions into adulthood and how else was he supposed to turn out other than a psycho?
Jeffree Star egging him on for years to then rip him a new one is some real disturbing shit. You can see from his tone that he relishes on the destruction of people he pretended to befriend, even when they didn't specifically target him (he had tweeted friendly comments to JC not long before blasting him. He has since deleted those friendly tweets so people wouldn't notice he was in good terms with him even post the supposed Nate situation). That to me is even more vile but since he is in the good side of things because JC does have very good reasons to eat shit he's being painted as the hero of the situation "calling him out". Drama channels are helping him/Nate look like a poor JC victim
because they're completely bought.
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>>807002>Men are much more predatory than women.
Men are maybe more often
predatory than women, but a woman who displays predatory behavior is not any less predatory than a man.
>Tati also hasn’t done anything remotely sexual towards him.
I agree Tati hasn't been sexual towards him, but behavior doesn't have to be sexual to be completely inappropriate or predatory. It's completely inappropriate for Tati to assume the role of parent in James's life, especially when James has 2 active parents of his own already. Her video is literally her deciding he needs to be punished for his behavior, because she doesn't think James' parents have raised him correctly. She is not his parent, that's not her choice to make. It'd be like if a kid was crying in the grocery store, and some other adult grabbed them and started spanking them because they thought that's how they needed to be punished. Completely inappropriate.
Say what you will about Tati's intentions, but James' parents have shown themselves to be extremely supportive and obviously want the best for their son. I think James is completely insufferable and definitely needed to be humbled – but the video he did with his parents doing his makeup is really sweet. His dad openly crying about how proud he was of James and his talent and the community accepting his son probably meant a lot to a lot of queer kids who didn't get that support and acceptance from their parents. They respected Tati as an adult mentor figure, and trusted their son with her. For her to use their trust in her (when she's talking about how James' mom thanked her for looking out for him) as ammo for destroying their son's career shows how low she'd sink just to make herself look better (and sell some vitamins).
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Men come in and completely fuck things up? Who'd have ever thought
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Sorry for doubleposting but also like, anons saying that Jeffree is still getting chances from Tati aren't totally wrong. Also this sounds like Tati was a victim of (an) assault.
How is it wrong that she is giving Jeffree chances? Seems like at best she’s just scared of him.
Also what does her being an assault victim
have to do with anything
Yeah, regardless of my opinion of her (Every beauty guru is a snake in some form, that's a dramatic group of people, but overall I find her pretty milquetoast) she is way, way prettier than most of the gremlins who call themselves beauty influencers.
That whole part of YouTube is a mindfuck
def. I HATE to bring this up but a perfect example in this is Momo kun cuz it was female on female crime. JC had everyone's consent and now he's being cancelled
Momo was caught sexually harassing people, admitted to it and there was proof she chased some of her victims
out of the community and bullied them after. But because it was girl on girl crime people thought what she did was sexy and almost busted a nut
The situation with JC is so expansive because most everyone on the internet at least knows his name, even if they don't know who he is. He had a social media range of 16+ million of multiple platforms and an audience made of a 12-14 girls. He was in stores, had major brand deals, "celebrity" friends, he was mass marketable.
What makes the situation unique is that unlike an actor or a musician who has the clout to sweep abuse under the rug, a youtuber, whose entire existence comes from the internet, is more easily "canceled."
Austin Jones got some media coverage, for doing the same sort of stuff ProJared was doing, but he only had like 500,000 subscribers. Ppl only care about what will give them clicks, and a big name is it.
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>>807370>What makes the situation unique is that unlike an actor or a musician who has the clout to sweep abuse under the rug, a youtuber, whose entire existence comes from the internet, is more easily "canceled."
Completely untrue, see >>807008
. Also this isn't JC's first scandal by any means, in fact he's had way worse ones. It's only different this time because it had had the full force of Jeffree behind it. If Tati didn't have Jeffree supporting her on all this it would have fallen completely flat and JC's fans probably would have harassed her for being an old and jealous. In fact, youtubers bounce back from scandals like these and worse all the time, the notable exception being time and time again, Jeffree has something to gain from it (in the beauty space anyways)
James started at 16.5 Mil before all of this, meaning he had more than both Tati and Jeffree respectively. But, with Jeffree, Tati's take down now had the backing of her subscribers (~9 Mil), Jeffree's subscribers (~15 Mil), and Shane's subscribers (~20 Mil). There's no way this would have worked if it was just Tati alone.
I also wonder if Morphe comes into play at all. Jeffree just had his brush collection released with Morphe, but he also sells his palettes through them as well now. JC's Morphe palette has 39 shades for $39. Jeffree's palette are ~18 shades for $52. Maybe $52 for a palette is cool on his site or anywhere else, but on Morphe next to JC's palette it looks way overpriced. I think after the whole Jaclyn Hill scandal, James would be Jeffree's only real competition in the Morphe space. Jeffree stayed uncharacteristically quiet during the JH scandal, but that was also right around the time he was doing stuff with them as well, and Jaclyn basically took herself out in the that regard. Last bit may be tinfoiling, but I also wouldn't put it past Jeffree.
Nah, I could see that. I think she doesn't have the face for this type of makeup >>807484
. She's so normal/mild looking in comparison to other gurus, more natural makeup suits her better. I guess that would be part of her appeal? Not sure if she actually has nice skin, but at the very least her lighting/filming setup is very complimentary.
Is there any responses to this? Because I was thinking a lot of the same things …
But god, can this dude change out of his nasty sweaty shirt before making a video
You cant be serious anon, gabriel is the biggest fucking retard in this great dumpster fire ironic and hillarious name too fucking "gabriel".
His argument stems from some arbitrary opinion on how "most mens" sexuality works its ill defined and weak, its just plain stupid to assume the behaviour of any group of people men, women, gay, straight and to top it off he talks like a dumbshit ghetto stereotypical fag. He seems way too old to be as stupid and immature as he is. You're not an elite scholar of gay/bi people because you are one, endless factors can influence someones sexuality there is no "straight bois" that you have deciphered. Sexuality can be fluid and/or fixed its messy. I recall catty girls talking like this in highschool on snapchat and social media but a full grown man?
Surprisingly pewdiepie had a reasonable response to this incident though that is worth looking into if anyones interested. like anons have said ITT he says tatis video is an ad for her pills lol and tears apart of lot of the obscene fake mother personality shit she's trying to pull.
Its actually unfortunate that the comment section expectadly is just 10 year olds as usual. He really undersells the predatory behaviour of JC though which is my only gripe.
Gabriel's just mad that he and lots of other gay men can't prey relentlessly on straight men as was their wont anymore without backlash. They legitimately don't see anything wrong with it.>>807617
no Tati got absolutely shit on when she released Halo, everyone thought (and still thinks) they're snake oil. She used to get so incredibly butthurt about it. The only reason people are rallying around her is because they hate JC more.
I'm curious if, with the influx of new subs and publicity for her pills, she has gotten more sales for Halo too. It's all so very calculated.
yeah, her PR team is great but anyone with half a brain cell will realize she's full of shit. "oh, stop the hate, stop picking teams." obviously people are going to pick teams when you make a video alleging sexual misconduct and paint yourself as a victim
of a retarded, petty teenager.
I believe her for the most part tbqh, i really dont think tati is some master ruseman that predicted all of this would happen (who'd even predict his fans would turn on him so quickly with so little evidence?)
shes definitely milking it though, and i bet shes pretty happy about the 10mill subs, but she seems too basic to be 100% snake-like, in my opinion anyway.
I don't mind Tati's vitamin thing. Not even whiteknighting because I'm a stan or whatever, I think maybe there's just a difference in frame of reference that decides how people feel about it. I consume a lot of fitness-related media, so I'm used to youtubers serving informational videos with an appetizer and side dish of pillshilling. Almost every channel either wants to sell me a meal plan or a supplement. It's merch. As long as the main video contest stays good and they're not straight up lying about it ("it cured my ___!")(though I'll deal with "it helps with ___." for informational purposes.), I don't care. Most supplements are pretty harmless. But I can understand people who aren't as familiar being very up-in-arms at the idea.
But it's very normal that a supplement doesn't work for everyone or that some people might have a reaction. If the reaction rate is high, sure, that's cause for concern, but I haven't seen much there. Also yeah, some supplements can cause birth control to be less effective. Other things can too, like grapefruit juice. And yes, hypothetically vitamins are unnecessary anyway if you're eating a perfectly balanced diet. But people disagree on what "perfectly balanced" means exactly, it would vary from person to person anyway, and realistically, 95% of people just don't eat perfectly clean and balanced.
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>>807701>never in a million years did i think this situation would reach what it did>when i made that video i thought i would be the one to take the hit>i thought i would be the one losing subscribers for speaking up>stop the hate uwu>this was me trying to reach someone i thought was unreachable and i was trying to deliver the same message so many times
Couldn't make it past 2 minutes, the martyr complex on this woman is out of this world. Tati's been vlogging since 2010, it took her almost 10 years to accumulate 5 million subscribers. She really wants us to believe she planned on sacrificing her beloved business and her entire livelihood that she spent nearly a decade working on over some horny teenage boy? There's literally no way she doesn't look like a massive idiot here. If any of this were true it would only prove that she cares more about bending the will of a teenage boy to her own values than providing for her family>I'm gonna lose the subscribers and means of support that pays the mortgage for this house that my family lives in, but that's a risk I have to take….because people NEED to know what this 19 year old twink said about gummy bears, and he needs to be publicly punished. I'll be crucified for it, but I'll make that sacrifice :(((
Also you don't get to make a 45 minute video telling people to hate this person and then go>seriously u guys stop the hate this isn't what I wanted
for brownie points later. Should've just stayed in the DMs if that's not what she wanted.>>807718
Fair to say no one could have predicted how this would unfold, and maybe she believes her own story but it's utter bullshit. What was her backup plan for if this went south? He failed acting "career"? If she lost public support her beloved business would completely fold, people barely gave a shit about her vitamins as it was outside of controversy of her selling snake oil
Vile racists shouldn't be successful and loved just because they're gay and do makeup. I think most fields don't think racism is okay, either, which is how people end up getting fired for being that way. It's not unique to the skin care/makeup community.
Jeffree Star will never be cancelled because his fans are psychotic, though. It is what it is.
J* hasn't been "cancelled" bc he makes makeup that ppl really want to buy. When KVD exposed herself as an anti-vaxxer, she was easily blacklisted bc everyone had started being bored of her makeup released a long time before.
Then Shane Dawson gave him a redemption arc and flipped a lot of ppl who were on the fence in his favor.
Yeah my favorite part was
Tati: "I've got really big plans guys to bring you great content and products in the future"
PewDie: "Well… do it, don't just talk about it, what's stopping you?"
have you watched all her videos about this? Even her emotional instagram post, shes not blinking rapidly, like someone under distress, or stopping to think, she just delivers her spiel.
Also, I thought she closed this whole chapter and was being the mature one here? Maybe James was right about her loving the drama because it's going to boost sales.
>>807784>>807781>J* hasn't been "cancelled" bc he makes makeup that ppl really want to buy>she was easily blacklisted bc everyone had started being bored of her makeup released a long time before
They're both jackasses, but this argument makes zero sense. Jeffree's line has always been notoriously limited, he's literally just now starting to catch up to KVD in product type and availability after all these years but he's still nowhere close. Also the idea that makeup needs to be "new and exciting" to sustain or be profitable is also a very dumb, very youtube-ish idea. People aren't interested in buying a new foundation every single week, only youtubers do that. No one ever goes>this foundation I like that's easily available and perfectly fits my skin tone and doesn't break me out is TOO BORING
If this were at all true people would have stopped buying Nars Orgasm, Stila eyeliner, Urban Decay Naked palettes, that smelly Walmart Airspun powder and the million other cult classics (including KVD eyeliner) that are still best sellers years ago and those companies would have shuttered. KVD is an absolute idiot, but her makeup has nothing to do with her ability to be cancelled. Jeffree hasn't been taken down yet because of all the reasons >>807008
said. She may get cancelled for being an anti-vaxxer, but Jeffree could release a new perfume that's actually just aerated measles and go on livestream and spray it on an innocent child and his fans would still come out and be like "that child was a cunt tho so i don't see the problem" or "I mean it's really easy to fake a full body measles rash, that child was just trying to use him for followers anyways"
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Nah, not at all. It's really the opposite of what >>807781
said, everyone said she was cancelled, but they love that eyeliner and that lipstick too much. She's still putting out new products all the time. The worst they did was this shit (still makes me chuckle). I wanna say people are really into her perfumes as well? Could be wrong tho
There was also the whole nazi allegations that came out even before the vaccine stuff that people still didn't really care about. No one seemed to make a peep when she released her pink nudes palette called "Lolita" either. I know she's hispanic and Lolita is also the name of her cult classic lip color but c'mon…..it's obviously a very culturally loaded word/name. It's one thing to sneak that in among dozens of other lipstick names, she didn't have to draw attention to it by naming a whole palette that as well. Maybe if she keeps it up she'll go the way of the Deere and be pushed out of her own company to save face
I feel like she’s displaying a lot of Narc behavior and it makes my blood run cold, not diagnosing her with NPD or anything but shes a pretty rich white girl who knows how to get what she wants and when people hurt her feelings she makes a giant deal out of it.
She says one thing and does the other, collects people and tosses them away in the worst way possible when shes done with them.
I didn't like her since she started whining in reply videos, “It’s not my fault your palette sucks I'm just being honest” or when people said her pills might react badly with medication (as a lot of herbal supplements can do) she said “I have the best doctors on this, the best blah blah, my reputation is being thrashed!!”
She could have done this privately, JC is trash and idc because he has friends and money to fall into the arms of during this but playing Mommy Dearest for years and then making a call out video? That’s what’s fucked up, not those bs theories she’s predatory or creepy. She destroyed their close relationship because he did an insta story sponsorship and because that wasn’t good enough to hurt anyone but her own ego she used all her stored up receipts to make the meat of it.
JC on the other hand is an impulsive idiot, his stuff will blow over like Bieber’s drama and every other kid who got too much money and fame. I can’t find anything to like about him at all if i can be honest. He definitely deserves the backlash but the last straw being a Betrayal~ is so high school and ugly.
They both need therapy.
I still find it funny everyone is acting like "omg JC tried to force himself on straight guys! omg!"
Like did you just get into the beauty community yesterday? It was practically a meme at that point.
Suddenly everyone who subscribes to him and watches all his vids has a problem with the preying on straight guys they were hearing about in half his videos? lol
I feel like that whole drama is a complete smokescreen to draw away attention from the fact, JC lied to Tati and organized something with another brand, Tati found out and decided to fuck him up. The end.
totally, and jeffree suddenly developing standards about letching on straight boys, spare me. this is far more about business.
as for jc, he can learn to reel his fetish in a bit, contain himself to 'straight-acting' guys not the real thing, stop harassing guys who clearly aren't interested. I don't agree it's the end of the world for him, there are boys are still lining up to date him even though they're 'straight'.
reagan makes a lot of good stuff, glad she's getting a shoutout.>>807843
and in her video she was all "and it's not about the business aspect!" and "our relationship isn't transactional!" if that's true, why wasn't the straw that broke the camels back the allegations she made against james, not this? she even tries to shrug off the fact she even made the video on gabriel zamora (which is kinda fair?) in the new video.
Maybe I'm just crazy, but I think the reaction is disproportionate to the transgression here.
He… hit on straight guys? Wtf, why are straight guys in need of defending here? Where was this outrage all the times straight men have treated disinterested/gay women like this?
This is honestly coming across as a little homophobic to me. JC is annoying and snotty, absolutely, but this controversy is focusing on "the evil predatory gay" and the "poor innocent straight men" to an uncomfortable extent. As if straight guys don't do this shit to women every day and get off scot-free.
Call me when people decide to start holding straight men accountable for this behavior.
yeah he may have threatened him privately, but only because he was desperate for straight guy peen and throwing a last ditch thirst move.
If he had actually followed through on the threat? Imagine that shitstorm when that got out, followed up with Tati dumping on him, he'd be fucked.
Just because you have a problem with feeling bad for people that happen to be straight guys, it doesn't mean his actions weren't disgusting and just plain wrong (anyone who acts like this should be judged)
Still, I don't think that the predatory thing was the true reason Tati spoke about him, it was the SBH deal and refusing to promote her brand.
I know other anons have said the same, but it wasn't just that he hit on straight guys– he would flirt with "bi-curious" men and then drag them to filth after they told them they were straight. In the case of the waiter, he tried to tell him what his sexuality was. It was super gross. Additionally, he sicced his rabid fans on a dude who was just figuring out his sexuality.
However, I do agree with you in the sense that straight men do this shit all the time to gay women– you know, "Oh, you just haven't had the right dick yet." But even so, I don't think anyone is positing that straight men need defending: they're just calling out JC for being a nasty, horny fuck.
>>807701>shakes her head while saying "If I really wanted to cancel James Charles, I'd be at every studio and sharing every little detail that I could" >nods her head while saying "Just know that I didn't"
This is something people often do when they're lying, moving their head in contradiction to the things they're saying (eg nodding when saying a negative, shaking their head when saying a positive).
I don't think she talked at any studios (probably), but she's definitely lying about her intent and how she planned to go about things. That's been obvious since the first video.
That isn't even what he was saying. He meant how the term "straight boys" is used for some experimenting.>>807704
Who was preyed on? The waiter and james met up, fucked around a bit and james acted like a little bitch when the waiter wanted out. James was rejected but don't pretend that making out with men is straight behavior.
Bottom line Tati made things seem way worse. Using your fanbase to personally go after people who reject you is cringey and awful because it can out closeted people, going after J*s man is just bad, being unable to sustain a conversation without mentioning genatalia is just tragic but some people are making it out to be like James sexually assaulted someone kek
Yes faking a panic attack for a sponsorship is sleazy but we've all known gurus to do it, all in all this is about a personal dig at tatis vitamins. A lot of people find JC unbearable anyways so this is a good excuse to jump ship but he didn't really do anything that different than what he's always done. Arguably the ebola scandal was worse.
The waiter is a classic case of someone with buyer's remorse. He could have blocked JC's ass and never even made first contact if JC was so off putting to him. I'll even grant that he was bicurious and realized he's straight after trying a man but… To paint this as sexual misconduct is extremely dishonest.
People with self esteem issues pursue people that don't love them back or are otherwise unavailable. JC chasing straight dudes is a pretty predictable thing and isn't some huge scandal. Tati's whole thing of "think of the children! think of the straight men!!" is so fucking dumb.
That being said I'm enjoying JC being cancelled bc he's annoying as fuck, popularizes ugly makeup and is making too much $ just for existing as a man in a female space.
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what you mean she needed to respond to this?
Do you guys think this whole thing might drive James Charles to suicide? I remember when the makeup community ganged up on Brandon Truaxe (ceo of the Ordinary) when Brandon was displaying obvious mental illnesses behavior, the humiliation was so horrific and disturbing, early this year he committed suicide by jumping off the balcony of his apartment.
This whole situation is eerily similar to what happened to Brandon, but this time it is even much worse because the damage and humiliation is bigger and James is still a 19 y/o not like Brandon (40) when Brandon committed suicide early this year.
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Ok honestly I can’t with the beauty community anymore, but even more so the hivemind of its audience. https://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/bpth2q/beauty_gurus_youtubers_and_ig_beauty_influencers/
People are seriously at this point where they can’t even think for themselves anymore and hold humans to these ABSURD standards. It’s almost like a fucking cult. They cancel Lisa Elridge because she used a KVD item in a tutorial? Jesus fucking christ get a grip. You can cancel every single human on this planet because of some shit we did sometime. These people act like like a crusade hounding people for retarded shit to feed some sort of superiority complex, idk it’s sick.
you can't succeed in that sort of field unless you are a narcissist. I mean look at Tati's video.
You're supposed to be calling someone out and then the video turns into an ad about herself and her product.
"I think I am a role model for people, I really do"
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This is so true, at that point narcissism can only be a positive attribute. I wish influencers had agents who helped them manage their images via impulse control more during the drama. It's always these sloppy outbursts. They don't know when to shut up and they definitely don't feel any shame.
Being a Youtuber must put them in this different perspective of reality like being in the Big Brother house, or maybe more like Lord of the Flies rn kek
Unrelated but can anons stop reading between the lines? It's exhausting to have to say in every post ”JC/Tati did this shitty thing but I don't like Tati/JC either” because it seems the majority of people here don't have a side and are just here for milk. Annoying that criticizing one person is seen as a defence of the opposite person or wking to some anons. Can we leave the wk complaints on posts actually defending a bias instead of posts that talk more about one person than the other?
This is why YouTube is fun because it's people not media trained and we get to watch what's usually bts become content lol.
I never watched Tati much knew of her and then subscribed to her after the JC stuff because I got caught in the hype and fun of unfollowong JC and seeing Tati get numbers because I figured the wee calculator JC was running the numbers.
Since finding out he feeds drama channels I wonder if he's on the stan sites too with his minions. This stuff is funny honestly imo. JC always rub me up the wrong way always discussing essentially his income he just came across very disingenuous. Yet he was sloppy so I followed him so I could catch his vents he's just a character to some people.
It'll be interesting to see when he comes back if he still has the same brand power.
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It's not just the beauty community though, that's just the nightmare timeline we're living in these days. I think the beauty community is just more prone to gossip and making and making a giant scene out of everything. Certainly some people do deserve to have their careers/lives ruined for their behavior, but more often than not no one's ever even given the chance to learn from their mistakes or grow as a human anymore. When people have learned from their mistakes and grown, the evidence that they were once a worse person is drudged up and thrown in their face. No one can ever win, except Jeffree because even though he continues to be an openly awful person, he gets an entire documentary series to prove he's slightly less terrible than he used to be and show off his shiny new character development to the whole world. >>807819
google is ur friend>>807887>>808064
10/10 perfect images. >Annoying that criticizing one person is seen as a defence of the opposite person or wking to some anons. Can we leave the wk complaints on posts actually defending a bias instead of posts that talk more about one person than the other?
I mean, this is obvious to most of us, no one here has any issue with debate/discussion. It's the Jeffree stans that do this to deflect any negative conversation with "omg why are u so obsessed with me??" Tbh I don't think mods give a shit about these threads because they let them be completely overrun the last thread and bury any convo despite numerous complaints and reporting. They stick out like sore thumb because not a single one of them has a legitimate argument for liking or defending Jeffree other than attacking the other person – same exact principle applies to Tati here (because they're likely the same audience). It's completely possible to have discussions about the rights and wrongs JC's behavior in this thread without mentioning Tati, but has there been any discussion of Tati at all that wasn't just "yeah but James!!!"?
So that's the question: can anyone give any reasoning for why it's acceptable for a 37 year old woman to abuse a trusted mentor/mentee relationship and publicly humiliate a teenage boy 18 years younger than her for her own personal and financial gain? Your answer can't have the word james in it, and since she insists it's not about her vitamins that can't be an argument either. Not saying it can't be done, I'd just like to hear some legitimate pro-Tati opinions.
Liberals, man. They're fucking retards. Imagine cancelling Lisa Eldridge because she used KvD? She donates all her money to a charity and youtube isnt even her main job.
They need to go outside, because no one else cares about this.
This makes Tati look like shit, and seems like Jeffree was really egging everything on behind the scenes (very believable)
I don’t see how there’s any comeback for this, if we assume that the screenshots were all real, even if we assume that he lied about the in person things
This is much better than the Laura Lee tier webcam video. He feels way more genuine in this.
Is Tati cancelled now? This is table tennis cancelling.
I can't wait for Tati to make a third video about this drama with her receipts, this is a shitshow! I love it.
So literally what everyone was saying about Jeffree and Tati organizing a take down was right.
Then people starting feeling a bit guilty because they thought he might kill himself, because his "family" turned on him and tried to turn all of his friends on him. "It's just business"
With friends like these who needs enemies
I still think the "I was being mobbed I felt unsafe, I forgot about my moms competitor" was a load of bullshit.
But I know now the whole reason Tati and Jeffree decided to fuck James up, is because he betrayed their little business clique.
He spends the whole video cancelling Tati and J*, speaking normally throughout the entire thing until he gets to the fake slow I'm so sad and hurt part for those sympathy points, and then immediately goes into a spiel about how cancel culture is toxic
I don't know if I'm missing something here, but I didn't see anything genuine here. His only argument is they are lying trust me on this, or believe me I have no reason to lie.
I'm just tired of this shit now, they're all snakes anyway so who cares. This has proven that neither side is good!
We can just enjoy the trainwreck now.
I think this is how it actually played out.
JC got into Coachella, on the second day he was in VIP, he wanted to be in the "celebrity" area.
JC makes a deal to get in there and thinks he can get away with it.
Tati is fucking insane about her Vitamins and fucking loses it, tells Jeffree to help her fuck him up.
Jeffree pulls out all the stops and contacts everyone. It trends on Youtube, Twitter, MSM pick it up.
JC is being cancelled. People start making shit up for attention.
People start to get worried they might have gone too far. JC drops his vid and proves that Tati and Jeffree wanted to fuck him over breaking from the clique.
I wouldn't. You see the end of the video where he says they hope they can all be friends? Fuck off. No normal person would say that if people who were supposed to be your closest friends turned on you and then called the entire internet on you. They don't care about anyone else but themselves.
I'd tell them they are fucked up people and get help. But really, they are all fucked up people so they can't point fingers. All the smiles and kiss kiss hugs are just fake shit to keep their image.
They are all narcissists.
Agree with the other anon, I think Jeffree went rogue. If those texts are real that's fucking hilarious.>man in his 30s telling a 16-year-old to "shut the fuck up" over nothing>lying about James hitting on Nate's brother (although it's weird that James didn't show their interactions if they were harmless)>messaging people calling James a predator and pedophile (??) for no reason
Honestly this situation is so tiring, I was siding with Tati initially but not it seems more like everyone involved is a socially dysfunctional asshole.
i feel like james was saying that to appear gracious and mature. this whole situation aside i despise jeffree starr and do not trust him at all. i would side eye the fuck out of any influencer who aligns themselves with him
sage for irrelevant
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I mean… literally no one gives a shit lmao. This video isn't getting traction the way Tati's video did because EVERYONE HATES JAMES. People have been dying to cancel him because he's fucking annoying no one gives a shit about the problematic
shit he's done. Screencaps of texts are easily faked so whoever wants to keep hating him will. This video does nothing. No one cares if Jeffree and Tati met up in an evil cave to take James down because people are likely grateful they did. James's subscribers are still dead and Tati and Jeffree are both doing fine.
Jeffree has been ripping people to shreds since Myspace and always wins because he's GOOD at it. I'm sure he'll put up a video exposing James with fake texts of his own and EVERYONE will side by him because everyone! hates! James! Get over it. They're all manipulative racist trash but James is just irksome for the most petty, trivial reasons and I'll be glad as fuck if Hitler rises from the dead and drags him into the gutter.
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James is regaining subscribers quickly. this shit is ridiculous. it's like they're all in on it and just doing it because they're bored
the only bit i agreed with him on is that people are using this as an excuse to be vaguely homophobic. the outrage over the poor liddol stwaight mens is ridiculous because straight men act like it's the end of the world when a gay man gives them the kind of attention they would to a woman. it's very much a part of toxic
masculinity and i'm glad he's bringing that up
lol i just said all the beauty gurus are sociopaths and all you could do was call me james?
Well thanks for proving my point I guess.
Literally everyone I follow is talking about how he's full of shit in the video lmao. Sorry. This video does nothing. He isn't gaining a fanbase nearly at the same pace as he lost it. There's statements from people who knew him in high school and that can't be undone. Him stating that people he had beef with used facts against him is hardly cause to come crawling back to him when the people who now hate him were never stans. And again: text messages are easily faked. This video is 30% possible evidence and 70% whining about how unfair him being thrown under the bus is. The DAY he was cancelled I saw thousands of people call out the hypocrisy in continuing to stan Jeffree and Tati over their own controversy. Because wow, shockingly, almost everyone who hates James is not an overly invested beauty guru lover. They just hate James Charles and were happy to see anyone, no matter how awful, remove him off the face of the Earth.
"We're all homophobic for James Charles" was THE relevant meme for James just before he was cancelled. And this was a joke that started in the LGBT community lmfao. He was being clowned to death for his shitty scam of a tour - how does this video undo that? Charging extra for babies? No one likes his ugly overhyped ass when he ain't cute, nice, or talented enough to justify the platform he was given for being the only beauty guru desperate enough to give KKW Beauty a positive review. It's the only reason he was invited to the Met Gala lmao the Kardashians practically own Anna Wintour. And they will make everyone they associate with seem like the most relevant. And the Kardashians sure don't give a fuck about this follow-up video. He's dead to them too. They're focusing on skincare now anyway.
you sound childish. Calm down. We're just discussing stuff, no need for a fist-fight >>808629
jesus. The only one left alive at the end of the day in this community gonna be Bretman Rock.
Currently there's a tweet gaining attention where it shows that the convos may have been edited because it shows May 2, May 3 and then May 2 again even though it automatically uptades time zones. Sorry for no cap.
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they're all scammers, literally all of them, but this is entertainment and like you said, a masterclass in pr. >>808624
someone on gg said maybe that was jeffree bluffing to scare james. but idk, shane is an absolute retard who'll go with whatever and believe actual abusers and racists, so. >>808626
same, and i didn't even agree with those who said "this is too harsh, let him learn", i was all "let him suffer he deserved it" and up until her 2nd vid thought tati was mostly genuine, i saw her game but appreciated her playing it against an annoying, over-exaggerated, sexual harasser.>>808629
game of fucking thrones, i tell you. this is delicious lol
did Jeffree still say he wanted to be friends with James a few days ago? Guess he changed his mind and has been sitting on some receipts when he saw his subscribers dropping.
Now he's a horrible sick person again.
you do realize the platform you're on, right?
i say let them burn
Apparently the reason nikita got cut off was for hitting on nates brother. Either the same thing occured twice or Jefree is recycling stories.>>808607
This. James is just so unlikeable lol
He's not a predator though that's just wild. He's a pathetic gay boy lusting after guys who don't want him. >>808624
I think shane is just coming from a friend PoV, when everyone was shitting on james he just made a statement about everyone being kind to each other.>>808643
This is pure cream
Apparently the reason nikita got cut off was for hitting on nates brother. Either the same thing occured twice or Jefree is recycling stories.>>808607
This. James is just so unlikeable lol
He's not a predator though that's just wild. He's a pathetic gay boy lusting after guys who don't want him. >>808624
I think shane is just coming from a friend PoV, when everyone was shitting on james he just made a statement about everyone being kind to each other.>>808643
This is pure cream
he can't sue, its a private message, that James exposed publicly.
Jeffree has to say he's a pedo publicly to defame him.
if it comes down to a game of fake text message screencaps jeffree is for sure gonna cook up better ones than james lmfao. jeffree was already exposed for all his beef and miraculously came out unscathed. he was lucky as fuck no one gave a shit about his texts to jackie because uh sorry to say all his fans are equally racist and don't care. but after that he was smart enough to not let himself fall into controversy again especially with his company growing.
rip james. he's got nothing. this is a game of gladiator at this point.
depends what kind of shocking disgusting grr
sister scandal Jeffree provides. Because from what I can see, most people really hate Jeffree right now, both big commenters and mere users.
First he got hit with the straight guys ricochet, now his obsessive weird texts to James came to light and people are mad he fought his lil brother (even tho he's not a child).
Twitter is fickle and full of hypocritical moralfags.
I don't think - despite what people say under his "receipts" tweet - that he's cancelled. He's been through much worse shit, as anon above said, and came out relatively untouched. But people won't side with him now, and will be more critical of what he bring in to the dramu table. He needs something BIG to get support.
Can't wait for his video, tbh. This is the best milk since a long time.
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I don't know, but Jeffree plans on releasing the video, hopefully soon. He made a snap about it.
I'm with the anons betting on Jeffree. He's been stirring shit since the MySpace days and knows how the game works. You can't cancel him. Jeffree can literally murder somebody and his millions of stans will say he did nothing wrong.
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Right, I believe Jeffree and Shane are collabing on an eyeshadow palette and they're also making another docu-series together. Shane's the true winner in all of this and I can't wait for his 24-part exposé lol. >>808691
And here's the Youtube link of Jeffree's snap for iPhone anons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjInz2sBIXw
I don't know anything about James Charles or those other two but this is insane. He didn't prey on straight guys let alone assault anyone. Pewdiepie's homophobic fans are out in full force. All these fragile straight men thinking their irrational fears about gay guys have been vindicated. The beauty community going along with it is even worse than anything I expected from them.
Also, Zara Larson is pathetic. First she pulls her homophobic dogwhistle while being an absolute hypocrite and then she just deletes her tweet without an apology.
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Maybe I just don't get their shitty memes but they're so gleeful about him losing subs, calling him "it", and buying into the whole gay predator thing.
Only people who fall for that are women. You cant manipulate straight men to have sex with men.
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>>808753>Jeffree's video detailing his concealer being stolen was trending>Tati's video exposing James was trending>James's isn't even on the list
It's because Jeffree has been licking Susan Wojcicki's (CEO of YouTube) cunt for quite a while now.
Notice how anybody who associates with Susan has their videos suddenly go viral, even with 100K views.
Since James Charles used to associate with Jeffree Star, this is how he always managed to land on the trending page. Now that their friendship is over, Jeffree told Susan to boost Tati and keep JC off the trending page.
It's that simple.
I mean… I can see it but not really? Never seen anyone call him trans or the community claim him despite his jokes. If you see him during his Myspace days it's obviously he was along the vein of a drag queen, and his humor reeeally reflects that. Either way people just like him and his content and no one is ready to see him go.
James was cancelled in the literal wake of his Met Gala appearance which broight an already negative response. There were memes about how he was kicked out for stalking Shawn Mendes so it was already attached to his reputation. That level of exposure is what got him cancelled so aggressively. Right now this "clapback" video comes from his descent into a cave. If he was smart he would've attacked when Jeffree was in a moment of high exposure himself.
Like I said, Jeffree's been doing this for years. He's smart. He made sure to drag Nikki supporting that concealer with a limited shade range IN his video reviewing the product.
Tati's video got taken off the trending page very quickly though. James also seems close with the CEO but I don't know anything about her or her motivations like I wonder if jeffree's video will trend or not
God this shit is so fucking stupid. they're all shitty friends. we're just watching the trainwreck on global news
>>808789>try harder stan
Just because I'm not licking Jeffree Star's glossy butthole doesn't mean I'm a stan for anybody else. Try harder, retard.>>808631
I saw the tweet you referenced but it seems like people are calling JC's receipts fake because of the spacing, which happens whenever you send texts through iPhones a while after, as opposed to immediately, if that makes sense.
The idea of friendships with the CEO is pretty funny, like…its a corporation.
They may do favours if pressed but all these Youtubers are is cash cows.
In what world do people seem to think going for drinks with your boss secures special treatment, it’s management. Any Youtuber with a brain knows that and exploits it.
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You’d think they’d be quieter, considering when he was actually besties touring with a literal pedophile he was very quiet until it all blew up. Tired song and dance of 20/20 hindsight.
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Jeffree is in the big leagues now, I'm sure he hangs out with pedo ceos and producers regularly.
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I can't believe that newspapers in the UK are detailing everything that has being going on with the drama. Imagine being an old man waking up to read your daily paper and seeing this shite. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7045401/James-Charles-hits-claims-tricked-straight-men-thinking-gay.html
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So, because he's "won", no one should (correctly) point out that he's a shitty person who isn't where he is from "being just that great", but by using shady tactics and hypocrisy?
I'm starting to believe being a J* fan is a red flag for just being a shitty person overall, lmao.
It's not going to be about Tati anymore. It's going to be a full on J* vs JC clash of the titans.
Considering how close they are in subscribers I'd say that's a pretty good metric to determine the winner but we won't know for a couple months.
It can happen. I myself am a kissless, hugless, handholdless nineteen year old homovirgin.
But I doubt James Charles has the moral integrity needed to pursue this path. Sex is too easy to come by if you're gay to remain a virgin, unless it's done willfully.
Then again, the fake-up is so disgusting maybe no one actually wants to fuck him.
Shane is joining the beauty comm, believe it or not. He is joining forces with Jeffree on a coming venture.
This video of James' is pure cringe. the sex assault allegations were unmasked as fake pretty fast and including them at any length is disingenuous. The ending is a pure appeal to 12yo, undeveloped brains.
Your speaking as if these people who profit off of the vultchers that pry on them getting cancelled are innocent, without social media they'd still be torn apart by the masses they owe as much to their drones to allow them to be shred apart, they profit hundreds upon millions from their accumulated fickle subs.
I hate to use the there's more important things going on fallacy but climate change is more of a concern than a few catty preteens the world's predicted to go into ecological decline in flux within the next 8 years.
>>808178>So that's the question: can anyone give any reasoning for why it's acceptable for a 37 year old woman to abuse a trusted mentor/mentee relationship and publicly humiliate a teenage boy 18 years younger than her for her own personal and financial gain? Your answer can't have the word james in it, and since she insists it's not about her vitamins that can't be an argument either. Not saying it can't be done, I'd just like to hear some legitimate pro-Tati opinions.
This 300%. You don't have to make a public statement on why your friendship ended uwu, thats a choice and one that people make to monetize drama most of the time. Tati stans have nothing
to say besides "b-but james!!".
If you're so blinded by Tati's fake niceness then imagine if she were a man saying "Guise I got manipulated by this girl 18 years my junior! I was abused and I now have to decide to punish this girl publicly bc she needs to learn!! uwu". Sounds sinister, doesn't it. All Tati had to do was to tell him the stuff she said in the video privately
and then cut ties if he fails to respond in a non-retarded way. Make no public garbage about it. And no, she doesn't get to decide to punish someone else's kid. That is insane.
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Doubt J* stans are “sociopathic” but they’re just his brain dead army of skanks hoping to soak up some of the good grace (like Nate whose image is literally curated as ~poor Midwest boy who came up because he was so unconditionally loyal uwu~)
>>808298>but I don't really see what's there to discuss, especially without using the word "James" since this is about him
Holy shit did you miss the entire point. Literally all I asked for was one reason why Tati wasn't absolute trash without that reason being "well James Charles is worse" and you made it the most about James you possibly could. Not only did you miss the entire point, you did the exact thing I pointed out as the problem.>hey i think "x" is bad>"x" isn't bad, "y" is bad! can't believe you're such a "y" wk! "y" deserved it! why are you even bringing up "x", this is all about "y"
As someone who dislikes all three personalities in this dramafest (four if you include Shane), I don't think what she did was trashy because "uwu 19 year old boy gets bullied by his mentor", I think it's because she has every right to cut someone off from her life and business for X/Y/Z reason and make an announcement about it, but instead of making it impersonal and vague she basically poured the oil and let the fans strike the match.
However I am enjoying the situation thoroughly. JC using these situations to highlight homophobia is hilarious. The haters in the past will still be haters, but he didn't have all those million subs and deals because of his godlike makeup skills. He got it because he used stereotypical personality traits to create a character. It brought him money. Now suddenly it's a curse upon him and his life? Nah.
Made an Imgur album for all the screenshots of the DMs etc James posted in his video
Personally, I don't know what to believe. Jeffree being a cunt who wants to be #1 is totally believable, but I can't quite process how Tati and Jeffree wold even plan this and backstab James like that (if every screenshot is real)
Ty for this anon, I cannot listen to James talk for more than 5 minutes without wanting to go deaf.
But are these really it? These are the receipts? How does this prove anything? I mean I guess it proves JC is a psycho, which we all knew. But these screenshots are clearly very one sided. Excited to see what Jeffree has to say tbh
I mean that's a given, he's thrived on the ”If I can't be cute I’ll be a catty drag queen gay bff! Bitches love that!” and t worked all the way from Myspace til now because the social media environment for that type of persona never changed.
At least he's not desperately trying to remain relevant on YT taking shots of his own jizz like Matt Lush>>808812
It's old milk, yeah. Hopefully, you're talking about J*? I’m just gonna assume you are.
It’s an example of a habit. It's repeated behaviour, he's quiet about things until he could be roped in by them. He's the loudest hypocrite in the room, clinging onto others who are praised publicly in a good light. He's a parasite. It's going to happen again and again because his brain is wired like an addict’s for the adrenaline rush drama gives him. He could benefit from a digital break more than anyone.
Also the idea that his stans aren't wking him is hilarious because even ITT people are saying ”J* is the best nobody can top him he's untouchable!”. He's only good at being a manipulative sociopath who’s not held back by emotions as he stomps over his collab guests to get a higher follower count.
according to literally who? he pays 25 million in taxes every year, he’s definitely worth a lot more than 50m. >kiddo
oh fuck off. this thread is attracting you autistic redditors in fucking droves.
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Jeffrees fans are so cringy
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This is in his likes… I'm guessing he won't deliver milk.