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No. 806516

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No. 806518

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>>806516
Dramageddon 2.0: (Previous thread discussion starts: >>804726)
>Tati Westbrook (37) posts a 43 minute long video entitled "BYE SISTER …" ripping apart previous bff James Charles (19)
>Tati and James previously had a very close "mother/son" like relationship, including James doing her makeup on her wedding day, and Tati taking credit for helping him gain popularity
>This comes after James posts an ad for "SugarBearHair" gummy vitamins on instagram, claiming they helped him with security at Coachella
>"SugarBearHair" is the main competitor to Tati's own vitamin brand "Halo Beauty", hence the perceived sleight
>Claims that James has displayed predatory and inappropriate behavior towards "straight boys"
>James, as is the norm on youtube, releases a lack-luster response/apology video to Tati's allegations
>Jeffree Star claims James was banned from his house and is a danger to society for his actions, despite Jeffree being in a long-term relationship with his "straight" boyfriend Nate
>Despite James hemorrhaging subscribers, he still currently has more subscribers than Tati

Current Follower Count:
Tati Westbrook: 9.4 Million
James Charles: 13 Million

(Wanted the keep the OP General since the last thread lasted 2 years. This is a tough topic to create a neutral summation of as it's very divisive. Feel free to add on anything missed)

No. 806541

The FTC disclaimer at the end omg. Great job with the thread, OP.

No. 806551

Does anyone know why/how JC got invited to Met Gala in the first place? I really didn't think he was that relevant.
It's going to be really interesting seeing how Morphe's going to handle this drama. Last time I went to the mall there was a big cardboard cut out of JC. Are they going to drop him?

No. 806552

>>806551
youtube got him the MET gala invite as IFAIK

No. 806553

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>>806551
He basically is on good terms with the YT CEO, and she asked him to come alongside five other youtubers. There was actually a theory that the reason why Tati's video suddenly disappeared from trending was because of this very friendship. I have not found any confirmation of this though.

No. 806556

>>806553
No wonder YouTube sucks ass nowadays with that haggard chipmunk running everything. Thanks for the info. I also saw Liza Koshy there, can't help not thinking that it was some sort of plan to introduce younger people to the Gala and high fashion brands.

No. 806567

Who the fuck are these people watching Tati that are dumb enough to think that she is some super sweet honest person and their friend? Lol

No. 806570

Ta-tea only made her video because JC threatened her business. If he hadn't done that, I doubt she would've publicly voiced her concerns about him and his pursuit of straight men. She defended J* even though he's scummy as fuck and just as problematic and doesn't even have the "excuse" of being young as a justification for being trash. I just still can't believe he hasn't been cancelled, after everything he's said and done over the years, lmao.

I don't really like nor dislike JC, and it was clear people were getting tired of him/he was overrated. His behaviour isn't acceptable but the level of fallout about this specific YT scandal is kind of ridiculous. Also seeing some yikes shit being said online where people are wishing him actual psychological harm or are expressing glee at the idea of him being in mental distress. God forbid he hurts himself or takes his life over this. I don't condone the shit he's said or done, but I can't understand how anyone could want that for someone else.

No. 806574

>>806567
I never really followed Tati, in fact, I dont really follow any beauty gurus except Jenny69 because she actually knows what the fuck she is talking about when it comes to make up application.

But I went in watching Tati's video with neutral expectations. It's still a dramatic video so there is always room for fuckery but she never struck me as somebody who would intentionally blow something out of preportion for clicks.

After I watched the whole thing through I agreed with her choice. It wasn't just about vitamins, it was about James's behavior over all. Maybe Tati has a cunty side too but so what? Sometimes you need to be in that industry. Her and her husband did A LOT for James, and I do believe she really was trying to build him up because she did care about him. Why would she fly him to her wedding on her dime? Why would she allow him to do her make up for one of the biggest days of her life if she didn't believe in his abilities?

Plus she actually took the time to address everything and maybe I'm wrong but I don't think it's even monetized. Several people in the comments noticed there were no ads playing in her video, maybe another anon can confirm because I don't know how. But in light of Jame's lame apology that he quickly deleted, I don't know how people can really make Tati out to be the bad guy. She acted as a Mother figure and a role model to him and helped him when everybody else was quick to right him off for being problematic. Sadly they were right and Tati ended up finally having to accept the truth about his character. She tried to guide him in the right direction but he is way too self centered to listen.

Maybe you can blame that on his age, but you also can't mature without having to face some shitty things about yourself. James comes off like a hugely entitled, spoiled brat so of course it's gonna take A LOT to humble his dumb ass. And if losing his subs at a free fall rate doesn't do the trick I don't know what the hell will.

No. 806577

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>>806567
She's old, she's the "cool mom" of the beauty community. She's not YOUR mom, ew your lame mom would never understand why you need this $25 lipstick….she just doesn't get it!

Plus since she is older, it gives off the vibe of "too mature for the drama", which is why I think this video makes her look 100x worse than JC – how immature and insecure as a nearly 40 year old successful business woman do you have to be to be so threatened by a dumb horny teenager that you throw a temper tantrum and try to destroy their life? James is annoying as fuck and taking him down a peg certainly doesn't hurt but he's not the adult in the situation.

I love the part in the video where she whines about how she had to apologize to all her grown up friends for his behavior because if I saw that happening I would just think "Ha, what a stupid teenager. I remember being that embarrassing. They'll grow out of that." But I was at a party and saw a grown ass woman publicly screaming at a teenager who's not her child about how terrible of a person they are I would think "WHOA what the FUCK is she doing? Should we call the cops?"
Had to go back and find the quote from that one anon in the last thread
>Like who's the actual predator here? The one lurking on boys 2 years younger, or the one lurking on boys 20 years younger?

No. 806588

>>806574
Ok but all of that just gets blown down to me when you consider that she stans Jefree Starr

No. 806593

>>806570

Fucking this. Her whole defense of her being friends with J* was "well he's always been nice to ME"

She only cuts ties with people/companies when they do something to her personally. Like, she cut ties with Too Faced because Jared was mean to her a party of smth. She doesn't care about the rest of the shit, she just keeps the dirty laundry so when she does cut ties, people applaud her for it.

Like don't get me wrong, James Charles is awful and I'm happy people are seeing it, but Tati's just as self centered. She's just smarter about it.

No. 806594

>>806588
Yeah not really. She didn't have the same relationship with Jeffree like she did with James. She doesn't call Jeffree family, but she considered James close enough to be considered family.
>>806577
How is she being a cool Mom? If she was a cool Mom she would support Jame's innapropriate humor and possibly his behavior too. He is like 19/20, at that age I knew better not be grossly sexual at a birthday dinner…in fact I think MOST people at that age know better than to behave that way if they were raised right.

Y'all are really desperate to white knight this fool lol.

No. 806600

>>806577
She also was apparently fine with his behavior until he didn't shill her. If he had agreed to a deal with her company she would have been 100% on board with him being an ambassador for her brand–that was her plan. If you genuinely think that someone is a predator and are not okay with it that's not what you do, yet she was hoping for it.

No. 806603

>>806594
I don’t give a flying fuck about James or any man, I’ll gladly watch them get chewed up. but come on with acting like Tati would be acting without ulterior motives

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>>806570
Old milk but I’m sure J* hasn't changed at all, young gays learn this from old gays. It’s inherited arrogance and misogyny, part of the Catty Gay BFF trope.

No. 806613

>>806603

What motive? It would be easier for her to remain friends with him for business purposes if that's what this truly is all about. She helped grow his career, opens her home to him, gets her husband to help him, and she isn't allowed to expect a little loyalty from him? He told her he didn't want to promote her brand because he has young followers, then proceeds to promote another brand's melatonin gummies for a sleep aid lmao. Yeah I would be pissed too. I don't give a fuck about their ages, they are both adults and James should be held accountable for his bullshit just as much as her.

Tati isn't a crone and Jame's isn't a toddler (even if he acts like one). If your Mom takes away your phone for not doing your homework do you tell her she is being immature? Probably lmao. Run a long little one.

No. 806618

>>806613
>whiteknighting Tati
NTA, but how can anyone be so blind? She's an opportunist. >>806600 is right.
This was her way of punishing him for working with her rivals. It wasn't a "Mom scolds kid and takes away his phone" thing. She was never his mother, lmao. This was "I created you, and I can destroy you, too". She'd been sitting on all this dirt up til now without ever actually reprimanding him so she'd have ammo. If James is a predator, Tati is someone who capes for predators until they cross her brand.
She's like an aged Regina George. Manipulative and fake as fuck, lmao. All these people are like that, and if you can't see that, you're the "little one".

No. 806622

>>806613
She knew exactly what she was doing with this callout. She KNEW she would get all the subs that JC lost. He never wanted to go into any business ventures with her, or he would've already since he basically owes her his career. She had nothing to lose and everything to gain by smearing him. She's always been super sensitive about her snake oil pills, her reaction to James shilling her competition is very predictable.

No. 806631

Her video was a well set up plug for her vitamins. She knew it would get clicks and people would watch the whole thing and her talking about how much work she puts in and how popular they are. She even put a link for them in the description and the sidecard when she spoke about them. Notice that she never had a problem with the idea of shilling them to James’ 12 year old audience. And she played up the female empowerment angle when there are plenty of 30 odd beauty gurus.

No. 806633

>>806608
he's still as sexist as this old tweet. and people who say J* has changed are delusional.

No. 806639

Ah yes Tati Wesbrook, a grown-ass woman, back with a video where she's crying about some dumb shit and is claiming to be manipulated by a teenager. JC is a piece of shit and I'm glad he's cancelled but when is it going to be Tati and J*'s turn? Eagerly waiting…

No. 806641

>>806594
>How is she being a cool Mom?
Holy shit you're stupid, that's the point she's not actually cool she just tried to pretend she's cool.

>He is like 19/20, at that age I knew better not be grossly sexual at a birthday dinner…in fact I think MOST people at that age know better than to behave that way if they were raised right.

Again, holy shit you're dumb. James is absolutely a little shit but no 19 year old would act that way at a real dinner party, given the amount of success and money he's made at only 19 if nothing else it can be assumed he knows how to network properly. BUT being stupid and candid around someone who you think is a peer and a best friend makes perfect sense. If he's already THAT candid in front of his parents think of how much dumber teens act around their friends. I mean, look at his vids with Emma and the Dolan twins (back when they were friends lmao) they're dumb teens doing (the expensive youtuber version) of dumb teenager shit. The problem isn't that James was an idiot, he 100% was, it's that Tati threw her back out trying to be "the cool mom" with the teens and actually just outed herself to be the worst strict parent of all time.

Jeffree's the strict parent who's a giant hypocrite and severely punishes their kid for smoking pot even though they were the biggest pot-head and did WAY worse drugs at their age (and still does). Except instead of the old "do as I say, not as I do" refrain, they kick the kid out of the house and somehow use it as a sob story to sell their MLM leggings on facebook.

No. 806647

I'm legit cringing at the middle-aged women who're crowing over this shit in the BGC megathreads over this. A lot of them have been saying really gross, catty shit that you'd expect from teenage girls or children. I know older =/= more mature, but a few of them have even said they're parents…

The beauty community is really gross.

No. 806650

>>806618
Did you even watch her video? She showed a clip where he called her Mom (it was brief because she was speaking at an event, but she was talking to him and you can see him saying "thank you Mom"). She also said he called her husband Dad. Yes I know she is not his bio Mom, but the point was that was the nature of their relationship. Try to pay attention to the subject material you're actually commentating on because I swear to God none of you took in a damn thing.

Tati didn't stay quiet for so long because she was carefully watching James and taking down notes so she could make an epic take down video someday and take all his subs… that's a real reach there. She stayed quiet because she cared and was hoping he would change, you know like most people would when it comes to family and friends. And she said very clearly that she DID express her concerns about his behavior MANY times before she made the video, but how would you know that when you didn't even watch it? Silly me.

Look I'm sorry you're favorite beauty guru is tanking as a result if his bullshit. I know it's got to be hard to be a James Charles fan right now. My condolonces fam, I'll take my leave now and let y'all cry over the consequences of his own actions lmao.

No. 806667

>>806650
NTA but the assertion that everyone darin to critique queen tati is a james charles stan is a reach. people can disagree with someone without automatically being on the other person’s side. imo they’re both messy, james far more than tati obviously, but most of this shit should’ve been kept behind closed doors. i don’t see why the world needed to know even more embarrassing shit about his cringey actions. tati’s old enough to know that while it strengthened her arguments it’s also petty as all fuck. i watched the whole video + james’ “apology” and i still don’t trust either of them completely.

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>>806650
What are you even talking about? No one was ever denying James called her Mom, Tati wouldn't shut the fuck up about it the entire video.

>she was carefully watching James and taking down notes so she could make an epic take down video

>epic take down video
>epic
So you're saying a 40 year old married woman was carefully watching a teenage boy? Got it. Are you one of those cringy middle-aged women >>806647 was talking about? Seriously, why are you so obsessed with Tati? Haven't seen delusional whiteknighting this bad outside of the Jeffree cronies. No one in this thread has said James wasn't being stupid or he didn't deserve to be taken down a notch, but that doesn't mean Tati wasn't being an immature self-serving cunt though. The only one who's a clear fan of anyone specifically in this situation is you. Go take your Halo Beauty™ suppository and calm down.

No. 806677

>>806650
Not to "hi cow", but this maniacal, illogical defense of Tati and screeching that everyone who sees things for what they are is a JC stan is looking a little off to me.
A woman in her 30s-40s who cries over some predatory gay male shilling someone else's fucking hair vitamin pills can not be classed as a hero.
Once you turn 18 or even get a little older (because I'm assuming you're not one of the people involved here, just a dumb stan), you'll realize this.

No. 806682

>>806677
Tati's totally aligned with Jeffree now, so now she gets the full Jeffree grunt treatment. His minions are now her minions, they've gone where no logic can reach them.

No. 806687

Did he buy subs? This morning he was down to 13.1 mil, and now he's back up to 13.5 mil subs?

No. 806703

I can't believe how many people fell for "This is not about the vitamins, this is not about the vitamins, he tries to crack straight guys"

When did she upload the tearful instagram video? When he embarassed her in front of all her work friends? When he talked about who he was fucking in front of his parents?

No, it was after he shilled for the other brand.

Theres been videos for years were everyone talks with him about his predatory behavior, and everyone is like "awww how cute". If you think this is some sort of revelation…

You fell for her video hook line and sinker.

No. 806712

>>806703
for real. everyone is fucking retarded for falling for this weepy "my friend is such a monster" clownery. if his behavior was sooo deplorable, why did she wait til after her feelies were hurt to say anyhting?

No. 806720

>>806703
I don't really see why it matters since everyone is talking about the predatory behaviour and not the vitamins. He's hated for so many reasons and that was just the trigger for his reckoning which was always inevitable

No. 806728

I find both Tati and Lames Charles to be unwatchable.

Tati's video was recommended to me when it was first uploaded, but hell no I wasn't gonna watch a 40 minute long video from her. I'm not subscribed because i find all of her videos so boring.

Tati would be more entertaining to me if she was on Real Housewives. Tati is a rich, (almost) middle-aged white woman who would fit right in. She'd be perfect as a Heather Dubrow replacement. They have the same fake-nice and manipulative personality. They even look like each other!

I find James unwatchable because he's so immature and annoying. He's also ugly and gross.

I haven't seen anything on here mentioning the Seattle waiter yet. The bicurious waiter said in a video that James "is the worst kisser I've ever kissed…way too much tongue". Is anyone shocked by that? Considering he IS a mouth breather lmao (video related)

No. 806743

>>806728
You probably should have read the previous thread before posting, they mentioned the waiter there.

No. 806752

>>806720
that what i mean, everyone is talking about predatory behavior that was already plain to see that everyone talked about in collab videos.

It's fucking bizarre to me. Suddenly they need Tati to tell them something is bad? They sound like mindless drones that need youtube videos to tell them their moral compass.

No. 806775

>>806752
Most people didn't know that his "Straight Boys Break My Heart </3"-thing wasn't just an exaggerated meme for content and are genuinely disgusted that this behavior seemed to be an actual problem, so much so that people (Tati) have repeatedly told him to stop. That, and the fact that he was already starting to catch heat for that thing at Coachella just put the final nail in the coffin for most. It's not fucking rocket science.

No. 806795

>>806775
It's amazing how even on lolcow there's more focus on how a woman has been doing things wrong, rather then the guy that's the actual problem.

No. 806799

1. How are there still people who haven’t learned the lesson of the decade after it’s been drilled into us over and over: never stan a man

2. Tati’s “mother” role with JC is creepy as fuck and I don’t know why more people don’t think so

3. Something about this is screwy. No one would give a shit if the victims were girls. Entire fucking social media movements cant take out predators. But he loses millions of followers within a couple days because the people he harassed were male.

No. 806812

I think a lot of anons are missing the fact that a large community of people dislike JC for his constantly discussing his business in monetary terms and levelling to everything he does down to money. It turns people off, he was also getting backlash for coming across as a victim for not seeing as equal to a listers at the met gala. Like let us all feel sorry for this 19 year old millionaire who wants to feel as respected as people who have worked in industries for years. It's been a long time coming something would happen that people could more easily vocalise their distaste of him.

Yeah if he was any other teenager we wouldn't be reading about his cringe over sexualised comments at the dinner table. We get it James you didn't get laid in highschool. The fact of the matter is he is wealthy so he can cry about not being taken as seriously as models and the kardashians at the Met, but his contemporaries on YouTube especially those that helped him negotiate high paying contracts and knowledge of the industry will see him as equally accountable. He degraded Tati's product to her implying it was unsafe for minors but then promotes a competing product to the same audience he denied Tati as well as the sleeping tablets.

JC is annoying and a lot of people that already had a bad taste in their mouth from him will be jumping on this bandwagon and livestreaming his drops in subs.

I am confused why so many celebrities unfollowed him and brands though, was there more bad business practice or is his act getting tired

No. 806826

>>806703
Tati's vitamin scam feelios were hurt and she took the opportunity to ruin JC's life. An adult woman old enough to be his mother. I've said this a long time ago in an older thread but Tati really, really should stick to her makeup reviewer lane. Drama doesn't suit her, especially since she tries to pull the uwu innocent bean persona and it really doesn't work when adults do it.

Gay men lusting after straight dudes is not a new thing. It's just like when men are too pushy about asking women out when they can't handle rejection. It can't be addressed without addressing what is wrong with men at large.

No. 806840

I hope these people are joking, this is really fucking sad..

https://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/bohho0/comment/enh6mb7

No. 806845

>>806518
>Tati Westbrook (37) posts a 43 minute long video entitled "BYE SISTER …" ripping apart previous bff James Charles (19)
>A 37 yo is friends with a 19 yo AND causes highschool drama with him
wat

No. 806852

>>806812
>if he was any other teenager we wouldn't be reading about his cringe over sexualised comments at the dinner table
Obviously not because HE is a public figure with a massive following and was trying to use that as leverage to coerce straight/bi-curious men into sex. These weren't just gross comments. Look at the way he handled the Gage situation, he comes off as a total complete controlling narcissist. That's why people are coming for him the way they are here, nobody gives a shit about Tati's vitamins.

No. 806854

Can we chill on the infighting

No. 806858

>>806852
ppl are also throwing around "teenager" like he is some uwu soft little baby who can't be held accountable for any of his actions, but in reality he is a fully formed grown ass man who turns 20 next week.

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>>806799
I don't see why it's creepy, I guess it could be putting herself in a role that is easier to manipulate at but this happens a lot. It's usually not white people, but if she felt like a role model and mentor who was giving help while maintaining a friendship the ”creepiness” is just nonexistent. I don't care for her and I think she's a two-faced, passive-aggressive, ”If I don't get what I want watch out” type who'd weasel free things from stores after asking to speak to the manager-but to imply its weird or somehow inappropriate when there's clearly no issue is a reach. She's a networker, she's using it to her advantage as a businesswoman and felt ”wronged”. She's a spoiled brat, but she's not trying to prey on teens. Is it because he's a guy and she is married to a man? I'm not sure what you're seeing there tbqh anon

No. 806867

>>806864
NTA, but it gives me similar vibes to the "sonfu thread" on /m/, lmao. Nothing really off, and could easily be completely fine/platonic, but just enough to make you go "Hmmm…".
I agree that this was probably just one of many social/business stepping stones for her, and she might've hammed up the emotional aspect just to get viewers on her side, but I can understand why some would find it weird.

No. 806868

all this "mother figure" shit feels tacked on almost. she may have said she felt motherly protectiveness for him, but role? nah. Her having a relationship with him and his family within the context of a business protege is far more suiting to the situation.
People trying to turn her into a creepy predator, one who created a dynamic she could exploit, feels wrong.
Mentor/protege where her business dealings/brand were in jeopardy is more likely.

Didn't Tati mentor another youtuber and it also went tits up? before they got the joy of fame?

Either way, trying to paint Tati as a sinister preying creep isn't the way to go because that's just not what went down. A /Brand Name/ trying to lick her wounds and get a few shots in to strengthen her product is way more viable.

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>>806867
That's fair, I can see that.

I think it's definitely exaggerated especially when you can tell by her body language she is almost repelled by him if you watch their vids kek

Even in this thumbnail: Faked happiness that is more like a grimace as she faces away, hand not gripping back in any hug or awkward hug situation (hand open almost like she's blocking him, or ready to push him away)

He looks totally immersed in himself, if she was using him for popularity with younger subscribers he would be too self-invested to notice

No. 806870

>>806869
all this armchair body language analysis.
perhaps she's turned away because she doesn't want to smash two faces slathered in makeup together. curving his energetic contact isn't that deep.

No. 806871

>>806775
>>806799

Obviously it's not okay to sexually harass anyone ever, but it's kind of gross that the Internet is rallying around the straight/straight-ish guys JC has preyed on without question while when sexual harassment victims are female, they get scrutinized and questioned and not believed. And even here, everyone's whining about Tati. Sure, she's a cringey, materialistic YouTube shill, but that's not why we're here. We're here to drag a honking, mouth-breathing narcissist who thinks he's owed sex because he's "famous" and has never done a moment of introspection in his vapid life.

No. 806874

>>806864
I’m not saying she’s definitely some sort of sexual predator but all the focus by her and her fans especially as a mother figure weirds me the hell out, like she should not be that invested in a random teenager for a professional relationship…

>>806871
Actually we are here to talk about whatever we want in the YouTube beauty community, hence the thread name. The only reason anyone cares about him thinking he’s entitled to sex is because he thinks he’s entitled to sex from men

No. 806876

>>806874

Lol, I guess you are right! I also agree with you about people only caring bc he wants sex from men. In truth I have never seen SJ accounts leap to straight men's defense like this.

No. 806906

>>806775
>>806795
Okay, wheres the Jeffree Starr is cancelled thing? Oh yeah no one gives a shit.

No one is being consistent, they are all just being opportunistic vultures at an all girls highschool.

No. 806908

I honestly think everyone was just sick of JC and biding their time and it isn't so much outrage at what he did but the relief of being justified in openly hating him

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>>806918
From Nikita

No. 806922

>>806918
Ah, so they're going to try and direct the conversation to the alleged betrayal and not the sexual harassment? That's what his PR came up with? LMAO

No. 806923

>>806908
Being an obnoxious bratty narccisstic asshat isn't enough to openly hate people today? Good to know.

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>>806799
>1. How are there still people who haven’t learned the lesson of the decade after it’s been drilled into us over and over: never stan a man

omg I hate JC so much now, what a loser!

omg I love Tati and her new collab with J* !!!

No. 806930

>>806906
Are you fucking stupid? Did you read the previous thread at all? There's literally months of people talking about all the shit Jeffree does, but the second we mention Jeffree his goons come out of the shadows to try and divert attention and sperg about how being openly racist isn't even that big of a deal you guys are just sensitive. Not to mention the Shane thread where there's also tons of discussion of how awful and disgusting Jeffree is. It's like how >>806682 said, since Tati's aligned with Jeffree now the Jeffree goons come out for her in full force with zero logic to their whiteknighting at all.

Holy shit I can't get over how stupid and ignorant this comment is. Is today your first day on the internet?

No. 806934

>>806930
>here's literally months of people talking about all the shit Jeffree does

yeah and so when is Tati gonna do a video takedown?

No. 806937

>>806918
>>806919

They manage long texts and reply very quickly even when I'm invested in a conversation I don't manage multiple long texts in the space of a minute. Was everyone involved literally glued to their phones and doing nothing else?

(not flooding just redoing because I forgot to sage sorry mods)

No. 806949

>>806870
>Armchair body language analysis

Are you trying to assimilate? Keep it up buddy!

Body language is easy to read, even if you can't read minds using it. It’s also easier to decipher the meaning when actions have been taken after. She's not developing new feelings of disgust towards him, she was already embarrassed by him and and humiliated in front of her friends so badly she felt she should apologize.

She didn't owe anything to JC but she was also two-faced and condescending (Imo idc about the later I find him incredibly disturbing and he could Develop Shame). She was a ’frenemy’ caping as somebody who cared about him, she discarded him like a Narc.

No. 806964

>>806949
So whats the likelyhood she and her b/f at the time had a threesome with him

No. 806970

>>806964
Eww anon

No. 806972

>>806964
Maybe without her on the DL more like

No. 806974

>>806864
I come from a predominately white area with a lot of disadvantaged people and there are a lot of adults I know that would mentor kids in their community. For instance I would know a lot of kids in mtb and there's a few older adult men held to esteem by younger ones. There's a few without much family and they basically step into those roles but still would joke around with them like their peers. It's not that uncommon to happen and not always predatory, there are some good folks out there. Sage for blogpost, but I don't think Tati should be shamed for helping out a young person in her industry.

No. 806996

>>806974
Agree. There’s also a huge difference between an older woman interacting with a younger man and an older man interacting with a younger woman. Men are much more predatory than women. Tati also hasn’t done anything remotely sexual towards him.

No. 807002

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>>806996
and thats why they get away with it.

No. 807007

>>807002
You do realise that stories of female teachers get picked up a lot more than male ones despite men being the aggressor in the vast majority of sexual assualts?

No. 807008

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>>806934
She won't, she's too smart to attempt that. That's the problem with Jeffree, he's the worst possible human being but he's also a PR genius and has dirt on EVERYONE. He befriends the drama channels so they can't speak negatively about him (pic related: Peter Monn, PettyPaige, Rich Lux), bribes Youtube to keep his videos trending, and openly talks shit about people/brands so everything thinks "omg he's the only honest one on youtube!". Take Rich Lux who used to openly talk about Jeffree drama, but since meeting (and doing a whole Mukbang with Jeffree and Bunny) completely takes his (and Shane, Tati and whoever's in Jeff's good graces) side, perpetuating the delicately crafted narrative that Jeffree never does anything wrong. Shane, despite having some ~18 million subscribers at the time, never had one of his videos given a spotlight/trending on Youtube – UNTIL he did his series with Jeffree Star. Tati, despite having waay less subscribers than James or Jeffree somehow manages to have her video about James explode to 40 Million, and Jeffree's right behind her the whole way. Jeffree outright admitted to bribing youtube to help videos trend in one of Rich's videos.

That's why it's so fucking stupid for someone to say something like >>806906. People have been trying for years. Even on lolcow whenever we try to talk about Jeffree, whiteknights suddenly come out in spades to divert attention or "idk seems fake" every single piece of evidence. If Jeffree openly calls Jackie Aina a racial slur, suddenly everyone wants to talk about how bad Jackie Aina is. If HereForTheTea makes a video of completely valid criticism of Jeffree, suddenly everyone wants to talk about how much of a jealous fatty she is. If some idiot hairdresser proves 7 different ways that his texts from Jeffree are real, everyone still says "idk seems fake" and changes the subject to him. If we have literal video and audio evidence of him screaming the n-word, "he was screaming it at WHITE people, so that makes it ok" and "being openly racist isn't even that big of a deal you guys are just sensitive".

Look what happened to everyone involved in Dramageddon 1.0 - everyone who went against Jeffree had their career destroyed EXCEPT Gabriel Zamora because he completely jumped ship. If you read the last thread at all, every single attempt to discuss Jeff's behavior get's overrun, and every defense is "fake news" "but I liked him on Myspace, so that excuses his behavior" or complete diversion to the other person's activity.

Anyone who's ever tried to come for Jeffree even with airtight evidence of his terrible behavior has been decimated. He's knows exactly what he's doing, and he's just that good at what he does. If Tati had any common sense at all, she would stay on his good side. He's un-killable, he has too many horcruxes in the form of dirt, money and influence. With Shane added to his army, he now has the support of people even outside of the beauty community. Jeffree is just taking out all of his competitors by turning them against each other (The Dramageddon group of best friends, James and Tati who were apparently like family) James Charles was easy prey, he's a young idiot kid who let his guard down and acted the way teenagers act with them because he thought Jeffree and Tati were his peers and "family". Jeffree and Tati were the predators in this situation.

No. 807020

>>807002
He's gay, dude
Stop trying to make fetch happen, it's not going to happen

No. 807027

the more people are white knighting Tati the less respect I have for her.
Pretty much everyone who has spoken out against her in this thread have mentioned they don't condone what jc did but tati is a snake herself too.

jc: does favors for people and expect something in return for it (relationships, sex whatever)
tati: did favors for jc and expects something in return for it (his platform to only promote her snake oil)
everyone who believes she spoke out when she did because "shes so brave and she talked to him LOADS U GUYS" and not because she was just angry with the snotty brat not doing her bidding is delusional themselves

No. 807035

>>807008
In terms of Shane getting a shit ton of views and same with Tati’s video, that could just be our good old friend analytics. Both involved (jef* and jc) are pretty well known influencers.

No. 807036

>>807027
Yeah it's like, "omg shittalking Tati? That means you support JC!"

jesus everyone gets so caught up in picking sides in this garbage heap of humans.

No. 807039

>>807008
Thank you. When I saw Jefree quickly jumping to say JC is a danger to society I completely saw through him finding this opportunity to tear more of his competition down. If you look at the number of subscribers and views James Charles was one of the only youtubers in the beauty community to rival Jeffree Star. He's pumping out videos since the JC downfall, if he keeps going it's going to be glaringly obvious. I don't think Jeffree Star plotted with Tati, he just saw an opportunity. And he would do it again with any other influencer that was of no use to him anymore. Tati better watch out, though her audience isn't in direct competition with Jeffree's so I doubt he cares.

James Charles is fucked up because he grew up surrounded by yes men adults and rich socialites with fucked up personalities such as JS himself who get anything they want and brag about it. When JC was underage he already was an opportunist and had pretty shit parenting (his brother who is even younger than him dropped out of school to also become a youtuber even though he had no other fame than by association to JC and his parents allowed it?), drop him to live on his own with the hypersexual instagram/LA beauty crowd while he transitions into adulthood and how else was he supposed to turn out other than a psycho?
Jeffree Star egging him on for years to then rip him a new one is some real disturbing shit. You can see from his tone that he relishes on the destruction of people he pretended to befriend, even when they didn't specifically target him (he had tweeted friendly comments to JC not long before blasting him. He has since deleted those friendly tweets so people wouldn't notice he was in good terms with him even post the supposed Nate situation). That to me is even more vile but since he is in the good side of things because JC does have very good reasons to eat shit he's being painted as the hero of the situation "calling him out". Drama channels are helping him/Nate look like a poor JC victim because they're completely bought.

No. 807043

Interesting that women are supposed to be the gossipy ones but in a women dominated market men are causing all the drama.

No. 807046

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>>807002
>Men are much more predatory than women.
Men are maybe more often predatory than women, but a woman who displays predatory behavior is not any less predatory than a man.

>Tati also hasn’t done anything remotely sexual towards him.

I agree Tati hasn't been sexual towards him, but behavior doesn't have to be sexual to be completely inappropriate or predatory. It's completely inappropriate for Tati to assume the role of parent in James's life, especially when James has 2 active parents of his own already. Her video is literally her deciding he needs to be punished for his behavior, because she doesn't think James' parents have raised him correctly. She is not his parent, that's not her choice to make. It'd be like if a kid was crying in the grocery store, and some other adult grabbed them and started spanking them because they thought that's how they needed to be punished. Completely inappropriate.

Say what you will about Tati's intentions, but James' parents have shown themselves to be extremely supportive and obviously want the best for their son. I think James is completely insufferable and definitely needed to be humbled – but the video he did with his parents doing his makeup is really sweet. His dad openly crying about how proud he was of James and his talent and the community accepting his son probably meant a lot to a lot of queer kids who didn't get that support and acceptance from their parents. They respected Tati as an adult mentor figure, and trusted their son with her. For her to use their trust in her (when she's talking about how James' mom thanked her for looking out for him) as ammo for destroying their son's career shows how low she'd sink just to make herself look better (and sell some vitamins).

No. 807048

Does anyone else feel there is a homophobic element to all of this? A man preying on women wouldn’t get this much attention but a gay preying on men? World news.

No. 807049

>>807048
Probably, but oh well. Male on male crime.

No. 807053

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>>807043
Men come in and completely fuck things up? Who'd have ever thought

No. 807054

>>807048
not really hes a white male.

No. 807057

>>807048
Are you kidding? There's another huge youtube scandal going on right now because a guy was preying on women and he's not nearly as famous or popular as James. This has nothing to do with James being gay.

No. 807062

>>807057
That’s not getting nearly as much attention. You can’t even name him!

No. 807065

>>807048
>>807062
james is getting so much attention for this because he is famous, don't be stupid

No. 807068

>>807062
It's Projared and he literally has a thread on this board. He was trending on twitter for days.

No. 807071

>>807048
Yea, a lot of people have been coming out of the woodwork to talk about them predatory gays trying to convert our handsome sweet straight men! Like, yes, there are gay men who covet straight men (look at all the DL porn lol), but it's much more than just "hur durr wanting to be a woman."

No. 807072

>>807062
It was literally published on news sites just like JC. He’s had tons of attention from the mainstream media but James has way more subs so of course his will get more attention.

No. 807076

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Sorry for doubleposting but also like, anons saying that Jeffree is still getting chances from Tati aren't totally wrong. Also this sounds like Tati was a victim of (an) assault.

No. 807082

>>807076
How is it wrong that she is giving Jeffree chances? Seems like at best she’s just scared of him.

Also what does her being an assault victim have to do with anything

No. 807083

>>807046
>They respected Tati as an adult mentor figure, and trusted their son with her.
>It's completely inappropriate for Tati to assume the role of parent in James's life, especially when James has 2 active parents of his own already.

Is there a huge difference between a parent/mentor role for people with a significant age and experience gap? Tati's motivations may be suspect, but you're making it seem like any adult having a parent/mentor relationship with someone younger is fucked up. Stop projecting your issues onto everyone else anon.

No. 807084

I always got the feeling it takes a village to make Tati Westbrook vaguely have a personality. She's such a good little kiss ass on camera, it's difficult to stomach. Her whole binge on "ingredients" is clearly someone smarter than her on her team giving her help. She slammed that Beauty Blender Foundation and then literally re-reviewed it because "ingredients". Anyway, a 38 year old shouldn't be so insecure as to produce a diss tape on a 19 year old in a way he absolutely can't directly respond to or defend himself over. Because he "bretrayed" her. If you've mentally matured past the age of 25, hanging out with teenagers is cringey and boring af. This was all supposed to make Tati look like she some strong personality when she's still vanilla bean because all the kewl gurus have drama .

This cow is cringey on all utters.

No. 807093

>>807084
>I always got the feeling it takes a village to make Tati Westbrook vaguely have a personality.

this is so true. i used to watch tati's videos for years and i couldn't tell you anything about her, at all. after she got married she started doing the whole "look at my quirky le funny editing" and it still feels so forced. also, i thought she was way older than 38. don't get me wrong, she's gorgeous, probably moreso than most gurus, but when i started watching her like 5 years ago I thought she was 40.

No. 807097

>>807046
>His dad openly crying about how proud he was of James
No, he was crying because he's ashamed his son grew up to be a faggot YouTuber.

No. 807177

>>807093

Yeah, regardless of my opinion of her (Every beauty guru is a snake in some form, that's a dramatic group of people, but overall I find her pretty milquetoast) she is way, way prettier than most of the gremlins who call themselves beauty influencers.

That whole part of YouTube is a mindfuck

No. 807183


No. 807220

>>807183

I love how not getting into the right area of Coachella is considered an "emergency."

No. 807252

>>807048
def. I HATE to bring this up but a perfect example in this is Momo kun cuz it was female on female crime. JC had everyone's consent and now he's being cancelled

Momo was caught sexually harassing people, admitted to it and there was proof she chased some of her victims out of the community and bullied them after. But because it was girl on girl crime people thought what she did was sexy and almost busted a nut

No. 807268

>>807252
What are even talking about? Momo got dropped by everyone and is now hated by most of the cosplay community

No. 807271

>>807252
The situation with JC is so expansive because most everyone on the internet at least knows his name, even if they don't know who he is. He had a social media range of 16+ million of multiple platforms and an audience made of a 12-14 girls. He was in stores, had major brand deals, "celebrity" friends, he was mass marketable.

What makes the situation unique is that unlike an actor or a musician who has the clout to sweep abuse under the rug, a youtuber, whose entire existence comes from the internet, is more easily "canceled."

Austin Jones got some media coverage, for doing the same sort of stuff ProJared was doing, but he only had like 500,000 subscribers. Ppl only care about what will give them clicks, and a big name is it.

No. 807311

>>807252
The reason why James is being cancelled is because a big enough youtuber made a video about him, otherwise nothing would've happened. I guess Jeffree will never get the same treatment from the fake woke twitter crowd because there's nobody big enough to go against him rn

No. 807370

>>807311

He had something like 8 times her following. I'm honestly surprised it blew up so much. I wonder how many people secretly hated him.

No. 807464


No. 807469

>>807464
So glad this video was made, I thought Tati's video was off this whole time. Tea sis culture is so dumb, people just blindly believe anything.

No. 807471

>>807464
why did it take you four minutes to actually discuss the video title?

No. 807475

>>807464
If you're going to selfpost, at least make sure the video is available.

No. 807481

>>807475

Nta, it is.

No. 807484

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>>807370
>What makes the situation unique is that unlike an actor or a musician who has the clout to sweep abuse under the rug, a youtuber, whose entire existence comes from the internet, is more easily "canceled."
Completely untrue, see >>807008. Also this isn't JC's first scandal by any means, in fact he's had way worse ones. It's only different this time because it had had the full force of Jeffree behind it. If Tati didn't have Jeffree supporting her on all this it would have fallen completely flat and JC's fans probably would have harassed her for being an old and jealous. In fact, youtubers bounce back from scandals like these and worse all the time, the notable exception being time and time again, Jeffree has something to gain from it (in the beauty space anyways)

James started at 16.5 Mil before all of this, meaning he had more than both Tati and Jeffree respectively. But, with Jeffree, Tati's take down now had the backing of her subscribers (~9 Mil), Jeffree's subscribers (~15 Mil), and Shane's subscribers (~20 Mil). There's no way this would have worked if it was just Tati alone.

I also wonder if Morphe comes into play at all. Jeffree just had his brush collection released with Morphe, but he also sells his palettes through them as well now. JC's Morphe palette has 39 shades for $39. Jeffree's palette are ~18 shades for $52. Maybe $52 for a palette is cool on his site or anywhere else, but on Morphe next to JC's palette it looks way overpriced. I think after the whole Jaclyn Hill scandal, James would be Jeffree's only real competition in the Morphe space. Jeffree stayed uncharacteristically quiet during the JH scandal, but that was also right around the time he was doing stuff with them as well, and Jaclyn basically took herself out in the that regard. Last bit may be tinfoiling, but I also wouldn't put it past Jeffree.

No. 807485

Am I the only one who never thought Tati was pretty until I saw her with no makeup and minimally styled hair?

No. 807490

>>807485
Nah, I could see that. I think she doesn't have the face for this type of makeup >>807484. She's so normal/mild looking in comparison to other gurus, more natural makeup suits her better. I guess that would be part of her appeal? Not sure if she actually has nice skin, but at the very least her lighting/filming setup is very complimentary.

No. 807491

>>807464
Is there any responses to this? Because I was thinking a lot of the same things …

But god, can this dude change out of his nasty sweaty shirt before making a video

No. 807492

>>807484
yes totally, and remember shane is about to move into the palette-sphere in some form. it's a power shift where jeffree holds the most cards and james got taken out. and good riddance to him until he learns to fend for himself, tati already built him into this monster.

No. 807498

Thu I kinda agree with Gabriels points about the concept of straight boys or bi curious boys in the gay community. However he fails to see the issue with how James treated gage upon rejection. The Seattle boy story is whatever, the guy wasn't into him and James was just sad. With gage James tried to drag him through the mud publicly.

I think the predatory shit is being exageratted by tati. Maybe Gabriel is lying but I wouldn't be surprised if she made it seem like he victimized some straight dude when in reality he experimented a bit before making up his mind.

t. Bi girl

No. 807541

>>807498
You cant be serious anon, gabriel is the biggest fucking retard in this great dumpster fire ironic and hillarious name too fucking "gabriel".

His argument stems from some arbitrary opinion on how "most mens" sexuality works its ill defined and weak, its just plain stupid to assume the behaviour of any group of people men, women, gay, straight and to top it off he talks like a dumbshit ghetto stereotypical fag. He seems way too old to be as stupid and immature as he is. You're not an elite scholar of gay/bi people because you are one, endless factors can influence someones sexuality there is no "straight bois" that you have deciphered. Sexuality can be fluid and/or fixed its messy. I recall catty girls talking like this in highschool on snapchat and social media but a full grown man?

Surprisingly pewdiepie had a reasonable response to this incident though that is worth looking into if anyones interested. like anons have said ITT he says tatis video is an ad for her pills lol and tears apart of lot of the obscene fake mother personality shit she's trying to pull.
Its actually unfortunate that the comment section expectadly is just 10 year olds as usual. He really undersells the predatory behaviour of JC though which is my only gripe.

No. 807555

Seriously, is there something I’m missing? Dumb as fuck that people are celebrating clearly fake reviews for an entirely different product. I checked Ulta, and those reviews are on the sleep pills. If you want sleep supplements, you aren’t going to buy beauty supplements instead

https://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/bore63/comment/enq54f4

No. 807605

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No. 807617

I don't understand why Tati has not been dragged for selling vitamins in the first place? There have been countless studies that show it does more harm than good. A large study of nearly 40,000 women over 25 showed that the ones who took vitamin long term had a higher risk of death. Also Antioxidants in excess have been linked to an increase risk in certain cancers. Everything you can get from vitamins you can get from a healthy balanced diet. Our bodies are extremely good at getting what it needs, these bullshit vitamins can be dangerous and a massive money grab.

No. 807625

>>807617
This. Her shit can give you similar negative side effects to sugar bear. Idk where she got this high horse mentality. When halo beauty first came out people were making videos on why not to take it or possible negative side effects, now no one mentions it.

No. 807629

>>807617
There was an intense backlash against her and the vitamins when she announced them. You could just search "Halo Beauty controversy" or "Halo Beauty birth control" in YT. Everyone is aware it is just overpriced biotin.

No. 807701

New Tati vidéo on the drama

No. 807704

>>807498
Gabriel's just mad that he and lots of other gay men can't prey relentlessly on straight men as was their wont anymore without backlash. They legitimately don't see anything wrong with it.

>>807617
no Tati got absolutely shit on when she released Halo, everyone thought (and still thinks) they're snake oil. She used to get so incredibly butthurt about it. The only reason people are rallying around her is because they hate JC more.

I'm curious if, with the influx of new subs and publicity for her pills, she has gotten more sales for Halo too. It's all so very calculated.

No. 807706

>>807701 I think this is a perfect response. She must have a great PR team.

No. 807711

>>807706
yeah, her PR team is great but anyone with half a brain cell will realize she's full of shit. "oh, stop the hate, stop picking teams." obviously people are going to pick teams when you make a video alleging sexual misconduct and paint yourself as a victim of a retarded, petty teenager.

No. 807716

>>807701
I believe her for the most part tbqh, i really dont think tati is some master ruseman that predicted all of this would happen (who'd even predict his fans would turn on him so quickly with so little evidence?)
shes definitely milking it though, and i bet shes pretty happy about the 10mill subs, but she seems too basic to be 100% snake-like, in my opinion anyway.

No. 807718

>>807716
Yeah honestly I don't think anyone could predict someone straight up losing 6 million subscribers, the news picking up, and the harassment that comes with it when on any other day similar drama wouldn't even get a tenth of the attention on a different day.

No. 807736

the amount of JC stans in this thread is INSANE. like seriously. I have no love for either him or Tati, but the amount of reach people are pulling.. older people mentor younger people, thats a huge thing and callouts like this are par the course in the beauty guru community (remember last year with Manny and Laura Lee?) this is literally history repeating itself as usual

No. 807740

>>807718
This. The internet mobbed all over this because it hates JC's smarmy, annoying ass (myself included). His public opinion was already at low, then the video happened, his tragic apology, rando ppl lied to try to get attn, his friends tried to help but actually just exposed him for lying…it was all just a mess. While I do think JC needs to be humbled and reevaluate many of his life/ business decision, this just went way too far for something that didn't go farther than him being a huge dick via texts and having a nasty mouth in public. Both things that he should know better than to do as a 20 yo, role model, and brand owner but I guess he'll learn now

No. 807744

>>807464
Currently watching this video. I agree Tati is just as bad especially freaking out because James didn't mention her brand in the apology

No. 807748

I don't mind Tati's vitamin thing. Not even whiteknighting because I'm a stan or whatever, I think maybe there's just a difference in frame of reference that decides how people feel about it. I consume a lot of fitness-related media, so I'm used to youtubers serving informational videos with an appetizer and side dish of pillshilling. Almost every channel either wants to sell me a meal plan or a supplement. It's merch. As long as the main video contest stays good and they're not straight up lying about it ("it cured my ___!")(though I'll deal with "it helps with ___." for informational purposes.), I don't care. Most supplements are pretty harmless. But I can understand people who aren't as familiar being very up-in-arms at the idea.

But it's very normal that a supplement doesn't work for everyone or that some people might have a reaction. If the reaction rate is high, sure, that's cause for concern, but I haven't seen much there. Also yeah, some supplements can cause birth control to be less effective. Other things can too, like grapefruit juice. And yes, hypothetically vitamins are unnecessary anyway if you're eating a perfectly balanced diet. But people disagree on what "perfectly balanced" means exactly, it would vary from person to person anyway, and realistically, 95% of people just don't eat perfectly clean and balanced.

No. 807750

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>>807701
>never in a million years did i think this situation would reach what it did
>when i made that video i thought i would be the one to take the hit
>i thought i would be the one losing subscribers for speaking up
>stop the hate uwu
>this was me trying to reach someone i thought was unreachable and i was trying to deliver the same message so many times
Couldn't make it past 2 minutes, the martyr complex on this woman is out of this world. Tati's been vlogging since 2010, it took her almost 10 years to accumulate 5 million subscribers. She really wants us to believe she planned on sacrificing her beloved business and her entire livelihood that she spent nearly a decade working on over some horny teenage boy? There's literally no way she doesn't look like a massive idiot here. If any of this were true it would only prove that she cares more about bending the will of a teenage boy to her own values than providing for her family
>I'm gonna lose the subscribers and means of support that pays the mortgage for this house that my family lives in, but that's a risk I have to take….because people NEED to know what this 19 year old twink said about gummy bears, and he needs to be publicly punished. I'll be crucified for it, but I'll make that sacrifice :(((

Also you don't get to make a 45 minute video telling people to hate this person and then go
>seriously u guys stop the hate this isn't what I wanted
for brownie points later. Should've just stayed in the DMs if that's not what she wanted.

>>807718
Fair to say no one could have predicted how this would unfold, and maybe she believes her own story but it's utter bullshit. What was her backup plan for if this went south? He failed acting "career"? If she lost public support her beloved business would completely fold, people barely gave a shit about her vitamins as it was outside of controversy of her selling snake oil

No. 807752

Tati is such a fucking snake. I knew 90% of this controversy would be bullshit after her Halo vitamin drama. Say what you want about gurus selling dubious-quality brushes, at least they don't sell dangerous supplements. It reminds me of the Kardashians shilling Flat Tummy Tea. Both groups don't give a fuck about their fans' health as long as it lines their pockets.

No. 807756

What is your guys opinion on “cancelled culture” within these makeup gurus, and your thoughts on everybody who thinks Jeffree Star is racist? Why the hell does this little niche care so kich about cancelling people for race issues? You dont really see this anywhere else.

No. 807764

>>807750
Agree. She's still trying to come off the sweet beautuber mom everyone thought she was, when anyone with a brain can see it was a very calculated business decision. She would've never taken this chance if she wasn't at least fairly certain that it would go her way. I don't think she could've predicted him losing SO many of his subs and her picking up almost all of them, but it was absolutely a calculated decision and probably based in a lot of shady shit behind the scenes with people like J*. They definitely had some insider info that led to them believing that they could pull this off so flawlessly.

No. 807770

>>807756
Vile racists shouldn't be successful and loved just because they're gay and do makeup. I think most fields don't think racism is okay, either, which is how people end up getting fired for being that way. It's not unique to the skin care/makeup community.
Jeffree Star will never be cancelled because his fans are psychotic, though. It is what it is.

No. 807771

The fundamental problem here is if you approach this as some kind of moral conundrum, where one person has the moral high ground over the other. It isn't one. It's drama.

Neither Tati OR James are the poor soft angels they want the fans to think they are. The 'soft, bullied' narrative for James is taking root (I've even seen it in the mainstream press here in Australia) but it ain't true either. Unsubbing from someone isn't bullying lmao.

I'll bet actual money there's a DM floating around where James brags or threats that he knows Tati's secrets and is going to sell her out or block her plans. There's definitely more to this relationship between the two of them. Tati's a damn idiot for building this kid up for free, socialising with him so intensely and plugging his every project, and that's her problemto live with now. I would pay actual money to see the DMs that have flown about, because the surface of this is nothing to the turmoil underneath.

But her video was delicious drama and should be appreciated as such and not as some moral high ground.

Jeffree's playing his power games per usual and James running to Nikita is a factor in that, I'm sure.

No. 807774

>>807752
name a massive beauty guru who has their fans interest's at heart… no I didn't think so.

No. 807781

>>807756
J* hasn't been "cancelled" bc he makes makeup that ppl really want to buy. When KVD exposed herself as an anti-vaxxer, she was easily blacklisted bc everyone had started being bored of her makeup released a long time before.

Then Shane Dawson gave him a redemption arc and flipped a lot of ppl who were on the fence in his favor.

No. 807782

>>807541
Yeah my favorite part was

Tati: "I've got really big plans guys to bring you great content and products in the future"

PewDie: "Well… do it, don't just talk about it, what's stopping you?"

No. 807783

>>807750
have you watched all her videos about this? Even her emotional instagram post, shes not blinking rapidly, like someone under distress, or stopping to think, she just delivers her spiel.

Also, I thought she closed this whole chapter and was being the mature one here? Maybe James was right about her loving the drama because it's going to boost sales.

No. 807784

>>807781
Yeah. If he was as talentless as he is racist then he'd be long gone.

No. 807803

>>807784
>>807781
>J* hasn't been "cancelled" bc he makes makeup that ppl really want to buy
>she was easily blacklisted bc everyone had started being bored of her makeup released a long time before
They're both jackasses, but this argument makes zero sense. Jeffree's line has always been notoriously limited, he's literally just now starting to catch up to KVD in product type and availability after all these years but he's still nowhere close. Also the idea that makeup needs to be "new and exciting" to sustain or be profitable is also a very dumb, very youtube-ish idea. People aren't interested in buying a new foundation every single week, only youtubers do that. No one ever goes
>this foundation I like that's easily available and perfectly fits my skin tone and doesn't break me out is TOO BORING
If this were at all true people would have stopped buying Nars Orgasm, Stila eyeliner, Urban Decay Naked palettes, that smelly Walmart Airspun powder and the million other cult classics (including KVD eyeliner) that are still best sellers years ago and those companies would have shuttered. KVD is an absolute idiot, but her makeup has nothing to do with her ability to be cancelled. Jeffree hasn't been taken down yet because of all the reasons >>807008 said. She may get cancelled for being an anti-vaxxer, but Jeffree could release a new perfume that's actually just aerated measles and go on livestream and spray it on an innocent child and his fans would still come out and be like "that child was a cunt tho so i don't see the problem" or "I mean it's really easy to fake a full body measles rash, that child was just trying to use him for followers anyways"

No. 807806

>>807803
Is KVD really "cancelled"? I noticed her section in my local Sephora has been downsized a lot but I didn't really think much of it.

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>>807806
Nah, not at all. It's really the opposite of what >>807781 said, everyone said she was cancelled, but they love that eyeliner and that lipstick too much. She's still putting out new products all the time. The worst they did was this shit (still makes me chuckle). I wanna say people are really into her perfumes as well? Could be wrong tho

There was also the whole nazi allegations that came out even before the vaccine stuff that people still didn't really care about. No one seemed to make a peep when she released her pink nudes palette called "Lolita" either. I know she's hispanic and Lolita is also the name of her cult classic lip color but c'mon…..it's obviously a very culturally loaded word/name. It's one thing to sneak that in among dozens of other lipstick names, she didn't have to draw attention to it by naming a whole palette that as well. Maybe if she keeps it up she'll go the way of the Deere and be pushed out of her own company to save face

No. 807813

>>807806
Yeah, she just released a new mascara. I dont buy her shit after the vaccine incident (there are much better companies and products out there) but a lot of people have pretended to move on but still buy her shit. It's disappointing when she is actually putting real people at risk by being anti vaxx.

No. 807819

>>807810

Doe Deere got pushed out of Lime Crime??

No. 807820

>>807750
I feel like she’s displaying a lot of Narc behavior and it makes my blood run cold, not diagnosing her with NPD or anything but shes a pretty rich white girl who knows how to get what she wants and when people hurt her feelings she makes a giant deal out of it.

She says one thing and does the other, collects people and tosses them away in the worst way possible when shes done with them.

I didn't like her since she started whining in reply videos, “It’s not my fault your palette sucks I'm just being honest” or when people said her pills might react badly with medication (as a lot of herbal supplements can do) she said “I have the best doctors on this, the best blah blah, my reputation is being thrashed!!”

She could have done this privately, JC is trash and idc because he has friends and money to fall into the arms of during this but playing Mommy Dearest for years and then making a call out video? That’s what’s fucked up, not those bs theories she’s predatory or creepy. She destroyed their close relationship because he did an insta story sponsorship and because that wasn’t good enough to hurt anyone but her own ego she used all her stored up receipts to make the meat of it.

Scary shit.

JC on the other hand is an impulsive idiot, his stuff will blow over like Bieber’s drama and every other kid who got too much money and fame. I can’t find anything to like about him at all if i can be honest. He definitely deserves the backlash but the last straw being a Betrayal~ is so high school and ugly.

They both need therapy.

No. 807821

comparing KVD to jeffrey is fucking retarded. KVD doesn’t even own her brand. jeffree’s his own boss, you can’t cancel a self sufficient billionaire for having messy tweets. it just doesn’t work.

No. 807829

>>807821
>billionaire
his net worth is 50mill, which is a lot, but he's not a billionaire kiddo.

No. 807837

This has been out for days, this girl has looked at some cows and drama situations in the past

Body Language: James Charles & Tati Westbrook + DEEP DIVE

No. 807843

>>807837
I still find it funny everyone is acting like "omg JC tried to force himself on straight guys! omg!"

Like did you just get into the beauty community yesterday? It was practically a meme at that point.

Suddenly everyone who subscribes to him and watches all his vids has a problem with the preying on straight guys they were hearing about in half his videos? lol

I feel like that whole drama is a complete smokescreen to draw away attention from the fact, JC lied to Tati and organized something with another brand, Tati found out and decided to fuck him up. The end.

No. 807844

>>807843
totally, and jeffree suddenly developing standards about letching on straight boys, spare me. this is far more about business.

as for jc, he can learn to reel his fetish in a bit, contain himself to 'straight-acting' guys not the real thing, stop harassing guys who clearly aren't interested. I don't agree it's the end of the world for him, there are boys are still lining up to date him even though they're 'straight'.

No. 807847

>>807837
reagan makes a lot of good stuff, glad she's getting a shoutout.

>>807843
and in her video she was all "and it's not about the business aspect!" and "our relationship isn't transactional!" if that's true, why wasn't the straw that broke the camels back the allegations she made against james, not this? she even tries to shrug off the fact she even made the video on gabriel zamora (which is kinda fair?) in the new video.

No. 807850

>>807844
Maybe I'm just crazy, but I think the reaction is disproportionate to the transgression here.

He… hit on straight guys? Wtf, why are straight guys in need of defending here? Where was this outrage all the times straight men have treated disinterested/gay women like this?

This is honestly coming across as a little homophobic to me. JC is annoying and snotty, absolutely, but this controversy is focusing on "the evil predatory gay" and the "poor innocent straight men" to an uncomfortable extent. As if straight guys don't do this shit to women every day and get off scot-free.

Call me when people decide to start holding straight men accountable for this behavior.

No. 807851

>>807850

no, he told a straight guy "you're gay, accept it" or something of that nature. when someone tells you their sexuality, you accept it, not try to convince them of something, esp if you're in a position of power over them

No. 807853

>>807851
he also threatened to drag him publically/ruin him, IIRC. JC definitely did something fucked up, but we all know Tati only cares about the pill shit.

No. 807856

>>807853
yeah he may have threatened him privately, but only because he was desperate for straight guy peen and throwing a last ditch thirst move.

If he had actually followed through on the threat? Imagine that shitstorm when that got out, followed up with Tati dumping on him, he'd be fucked.

No. 807868

>>807850
Just because you have a problem with feeling bad for people that happen to be straight guys, it doesn't mean his actions weren't disgusting and just plain wrong (anyone who acts like this should be judged)

Still, I don't think that the predatory thing was the true reason Tati spoke about him, it was the SBH deal and refusing to promote her brand.

No. 807869

>>807850

I know other anons have said the same, but it wasn't just that he hit on straight guys– he would flirt with "bi-curious" men and then drag them to filth after they told them they were straight. In the case of the waiter, he tried to tell him what his sexuality was. It was super gross. Additionally, he sicced his rabid fans on a dude who was just figuring out his sexuality.

However, I do agree with you in the sense that straight men do this shit all the time to gay women– you know, "Oh, you just haven't had the right dick yet." But even so, I don't think anyone is positing that straight men need defending: they're just calling out JC for being a nasty, horny fuck.

No. 807873

>>807701
Holy shit she looks so diabolical in this video, her true soul jumped out I guess, a fcking demon

No. 807882

>>807701
>shakes her head while saying "If I really wanted to cancel James Charles, I'd be at every studio and sharing every little detail that I could"
>nods her head while saying "Just know that I didn't"
This is something people often do when they're lying, moving their head in contradiction to the things they're saying (eg nodding when saying a negative, shaking their head when saying a positive).
I don't think she talked at any studios (probably), but she's definitely lying about her intent and how she planned to go about things. That's been obvious since the first video.

No. 807883

>>807541
>>807704

That isn't even what he was saying. He meant how the term "straight boys" is used for some experimenting.
>>807704
Who was preyed on? The waiter and james met up, fucked around a bit and james acted like a little bitch when the waiter wanted out. James was rejected but don't pretend that making out with men is straight behavior.

Bottom line Tati made things seem way worse. Using your fanbase to personally go after people who reject you is cringey and awful because it can out closeted people, going after J*s man is just bad, being unable to sustain a conversation without mentioning genatalia is just tragic but some people are making it out to be like James sexually assaulted someone kek

Yes faking a panic attack for a sponsorship is sleazy but we've all known gurus to do it, all in all this is about a personal dig at tatis vitamins. A lot of people find JC unbearable anyways so this is a good excuse to jump ship but he didn't really do anything that different than what he's always done. Arguably the ebola scandal was worse.

No. 807887

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No. 807893

>>806516
Funny how when a girl is going out with someone rich, letting them buy her expensive gifts, festival tickets and shit it's very clear there is a mutual understanding that this isn't just "friendship" especially if you are making out with them but if a guy does this he's being taking advantage of when he chickens out at the end. I'm sure jc is a shitty person with a big head but I agree with most people here that this is only being made a big issue because "poor straight men"

No. 807927

>>807882
didn't she already say in the last video two tea sites reached out to her? Why would she talk to them and not to the other business owners?

No. 807934

>>807893
The waiter is a classic case of someone with buyer's remorse. He could have blocked JC's ass and never even made first contact if JC was so off putting to him. I'll even grant that he was bicurious and realized he's straight after trying a man but… To paint this as sexual misconduct is extremely dishonest.

People with self esteem issues pursue people that don't love them back or are otherwise unavailable. JC chasing straight dudes is a pretty predictable thing and isn't some huge scandal. Tati's whole thing of "think of the children! think of the straight men!!" is so fucking dumb.

That being said I'm enjoying JC being cancelled bc he's annoying as fuck, popularizes ugly makeup and is making too much $ just for existing as a man in a female space.

No. 807953

>>807927
from my understanding, she only replied to the two tea channels because they told her that James had already talked made a statement to them.

No. 807956

New Pwediepie video

No. 807970

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>>807953
what you mean she needed to respond to this?

No. 807981

>>807956
Do you guys think this whole thing might drive James Charles to suicide? I remember when the makeup community ganged up on Brandon Truaxe (ceo of the Ordinary) when Brandon was displaying obvious mental illnesses behavior, the humiliation was so horrific and disturbing, early this year he committed suicide by jumping off the balcony of his apartment.
This whole situation is eerily similar to what happened to Brandon, but this time it is even much worse because the damage and humiliation is bigger and James is still a 19 y/o not like Brandon (40) when Brandon committed suicide early this year.

No. 807984

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Ok honestly I can’t with the beauty community anymore, but even more so the hivemind of its audience.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/bpth2q/beauty_gurus_youtubers_and_ig_beauty_influencers/

People are seriously at this point where they can’t even think for themselves anymore and hold humans to these ABSURD standards. It’s almost like a fucking cult. They cancel Lisa Elridge because she used a KVD item in a tutorial? Jesus fucking christ get a grip. You can cancel every single human on this planet because of some shit we did sometime. These people act like like a crusade hounding people for retarded shit to feed some sort of superiority complex, idk it’s sick.

No. 807989

Don’t like JC but all these Tati stans are embarrassing. If you don’t take her side and fall over yourself to worship her then either you’re a JC Stan or “you clearly didn’t watch the video”

Yeah I did watch the video, and that’s why I think that anyone who watches any of Tati’s videos, especially Bye Sister (if she wasn’t trying to cancel him, why’d she name it that? Lmao) and comes out thinking she’s trustworthy is severely emotionally stunted, like EQ of 2

No. 808003

>>807984
thats how social media operates these days, purge the unbelievers, a neutral is a heretic. Consensus is king.

No. 808009

>>807981
absolutely not. james charles seems to have no emotions whatsoever and narcissists rarely off themselves

No. 808014

>>808009
you can't succeed in that sort of field unless you are a narcissist. I mean look at Tati's video.

You're supposed to be calling someone out and then the video turns into an ad about herself and her product.

"I think I am a role model for people, I really do"

No. 808020

>>808014
you dont seem to have paid much attention to the video.

No. 808038


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>>808014
This is so true, at that point narcissism can only be a positive attribute. I wish influencers had agents who helped them manage their images via impulse control more during the drama. It's always these sloppy outbursts. They don't know when to shut up and they definitely don't feel any shame.

Being a Youtuber must put them in this different perspective of reality like being in the Big Brother house, or maybe more like Lord of the Flies rn kek

Unrelated but can anons stop reading between the lines? It's exhausting to have to say in every post ”JC/Tati did this shitty thing but I don't like Tati/JC either” because it seems the majority of people here don't have a side and are just here for milk. Annoying that criticizing one person is seen as a defence of the opposite person or wking to some anons. Can we leave the wk complaints on posts actually defending a bias instead of posts that talk more about one person than the other?

No. 808073

>>808064
This is why YouTube is fun because it's people not media trained and we get to watch what's usually bts become content lol.

I never watched Tati much knew of her and then subscribed to her after the JC stuff because I got caught in the hype and fun of unfollowong JC and seeing Tati get numbers because I figured the wee calculator JC was running the numbers.

Since finding out he feeds drama channels I wonder if he's on the stan sites too with his minions. This stuff is funny honestly imo. JC always rub me up the wrong way always discussing essentially his income he just came across very disingenuous. Yet he was sloppy so I followed him so I could catch his vents he's just a character to some people.

It'll be interesting to see when he comes back if he still has the same brand power.

No. 808178

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>>807984
It's not just the beauty community though, that's just the nightmare timeline we're living in these days. I think the beauty community is just more prone to gossip and making and making a giant scene out of everything. Certainly some people do deserve to have their careers/lives ruined for their behavior, but more often than not no one's ever even given the chance to learn from their mistakes or grow as a human anymore. When people have learned from their mistakes and grown, the evidence that they were once a worse person is drudged up and thrown in their face. No one can ever win, except Jeffree because even though he continues to be an openly awful person, he gets an entire documentary series to prove he's slightly less terrible than he used to be and show off his shiny new character development to the whole world.

>>807819
google is ur friend

>>807887
>>808064
10/10 perfect images.
>Annoying that criticizing one person is seen as a defence of the opposite person or wking to some anons. Can we leave the wk complaints on posts actually defending a bias instead of posts that talk more about one person than the other?
I mean, this is obvious to most of us, no one here has any issue with debate/discussion. It's the Jeffree stans that do this to deflect any negative conversation with "omg why are u so obsessed with me??" Tbh I don't think mods give a shit about these threads because they let them be completely overrun the last thread and bury any convo despite numerous complaints and reporting. They stick out like sore thumb because not a single one of them has a legitimate argument for liking or defending Jeffree other than attacking the other person – same exact principle applies to Tati here (because they're likely the same audience). It's completely possible to have discussions about the rights and wrongs JC's behavior in this thread without mentioning Tati, but has there been any discussion of Tati at all that wasn't just "yeah but James!!!"?

So that's the question: can anyone give any reasoning for why it's acceptable for a 37 year old woman to abuse a trusted mentor/mentee relationship and publicly humiliate a teenage boy 18 years younger than her for her own personal and financial gain? Your answer can't have the word james in it, and since she insists it's not about her vitamins that can't be an argument either. Not saying it can't be done, I'd just like to hear some legitimate pro-Tati opinions.

No. 808298

>>808178
They had a very public friendship that ended and she wanted to make it clear that it wasn't just her being mad about her vitamins. Her crying on her stories was a mistake to begin with, but I don't really see what's there to discuss, especially without using the word "James" since this is about him. It's weird to see people saying that he was humiliated or dragged or that it was all about her financial gain because I don't think she revealed anything that wasn't already out there from previous drama and going against someone with 3 times your sub count is hardly a guaranteed success.

No. 808303

>>807984

Liberals, man. They're fucking retards. Imagine cancelling Lisa Eldridge because she used KvD? She donates all her money to a charity and youtube isnt even her main job.

They need to go outside, because no one else cares about this.

No. 808305

>>808303
Take it to /Pol Anon. Were talking about make up here.

No. 808437


No. 808500

James finally posted a video

No. 808509

>>808500 he put a suicide hotline in the description fs

No. 808526

>>808500
im so fucking distracted by the white stuff in his tongue im going to vomit

No. 808528

>>808526
Why did you mention it, I'm only 5 minutes into the video, this is vile and I can't unsee it.

No. 808529

>>808500 basically the whole video is everyone is lying!!! I wanted to die!!

No. 808530

>>808500
This makes Tati look like shit, and seems like Jeffree was really egging everything on behind the scenes (very believable)

I don’t see how there’s any comeback for this, if we assume that the screenshots were all real, even if we assume that he lied about the in person things

No. 808532

>>808500 he added a sexual assault hotline just now to the description

No. 808534

>>808500
This is much better than the Laura Lee tier webcam video. He feels way more genuine in this.
Is Tati cancelled now? This is table tennis cancelling.

I can't wait for Tati to make a third video about this drama with her receipts, this is a shitshow! I love it.

No. 808537

>>808534
It was definitely the tea I been waiting for from the start! His ending was really good, with apologizing for his ego and stuff even though it wasn’t very relevant and he didn’t need to

No. 808553

>>808500
>>808534
>>808537

So literally what everyone was saying about Jeffree and Tati organizing a take down was right.

Then people starting feeling a bit guilty because they thought he might kill himself, because his "family" turned on him and tried to turn all of his friends on him. "It's just business"

With friends like these who needs enemies

No. 808555

>>808553
Let's just drop the beauty community pls, these people don't need our money anyway.

No. 808561

>>808555
I still think the "I was being mobbed I felt unsafe, I forgot about my moms competitor" was a load of bullshit.

But I know now the whole reason Tati and Jeffree decided to fuck James up, is because he betrayed their little business clique.

No. 808564

yeaaaaaaah don't be so quick to believe James now. Don't make the same mistake twice.

This vid was highly calculated and very prepared - good for him. Good that he explained himself. But still, it doesn't sit too well with me. What he did well was exposing Jefree. The pressuring still stands, he just gave more details that in my eyes do not redeem him. The vitamins situation still fucks, too. And he completely omitted Gage, only talked about Sam.
About Zara, he said it's okay when women slide into the DMs, but not gay men, and it's it's harmful and an attack on LGBT community - lol, this fucking reach.
He's very smug and defensive and pisses me off probably more than the uwu sad gunk in mouth corners-James. He's not sorry about anything, wow.

The number to Suicide Hotline is honestly a move that disgusts me. So manipulative.

Wonder what will Tati respond with now. Jefree is beyond redemption so idec

No. 808565

>>808564
I dunno, Tati said she had a stack of receipts, didn't produce any of them. James said he had receipts, and produced them.

No. 808568

>>808564
>>808565
I wonder if Tati will make a video with receipts or is this really the end of this bs drama lol

No. 808572

>>808500
He spends the whole video cancelling Tati and J*, speaking normally throughout the entire thing until he gets to the fake slow I'm so sad and hurt part for those sympathy points, and then immediately goes into a spiel about how cancel culture is toxic lol

I don't know if I'm missing something here, but I didn't see anything genuine here. His only argument is they are lying trust me on this, or believe me I have no reason to lie.

No. 808574

>>808564
I'm just tired of this shit now, they're all snakes anyway so who cares. This has proven that neither side is good!
We can just enjoy the trainwreck now.

No. 808575

>>808572
I think this is how it actually played out.

JC got into Coachella, on the second day he was in VIP, he wanted to be in the "celebrity" area.
JC makes a deal to get in there and thinks he can get away with it.

Tati is fucking insane about her Vitamins and fucking loses it, tells Jeffree to help her fuck him up.
Jeffree pulls out all the stops and contacts everyone. It trends on Youtube, Twitter, MSM pick it up.
JC is being cancelled. People start making shit up for attention.

People start to get worried they might have gone too far. JC drops his vid and proves that Tati and Jeffree wanted to fuck him over breaking from the clique.

No. 808576

>>806516
i feel bad for james now

No. 808581

>>808575
naah I think Jeffree acted alone; he got insanely hyped and excited for the chance of eliminating his main competitor (as he's now the most subbed to beauty guru, if I'm not mistaken). That's why he called in the big guns, everything he had, true or fake. He just saw his chance to bring James down and he took it.

No. 808584

>>808576
I wouldn't. You see the end of the video where he says they hope they can all be friends? Fuck off. No normal person would say that if people who were supposed to be your closest friends turned on you and then called the entire internet on you. They don't care about anyone else but themselves.

I'd tell them they are fucked up people and get help. But really, they are all fucked up people so they can't point fingers. All the smiles and kiss kiss hugs are just fake shit to keep their image.

They are all narcissists.

No. 808585

>>808575
Agree with the other anon, I think Jeffree went rogue. If those texts are real that's fucking hilarious.
>man in his 30s telling a 16-year-old to "shut the fuck up" over nothing
>lying about James hitting on Nate's brother (although it's weird that James didn't show their interactions if they were harmless)
>messaging people calling James a predator and pedophile (??) for no reason

Honestly this situation is so tiring, I was siding with Tati initially but not it seems more like everyone involved is a socially dysfunctional asshole.

No. 808589

>>808584
i feel like james was saying that to appear gracious and mature. this whole situation aside i despise jeffree starr and do not trust him at all. i would side eye the fuck out of any influencer who aligns themselves with him

sage for irrelevant

No. 808592

KEK All the Tati stans on reddit now saying “can we please just drop this” and “I’m bored of this now” after a week waiting on the edge of their seat for every update and dragging JC

No. 808593

>>808575
>>808581
>>808585
Tati's role in is the only thing I'm skeptical of honestly, I think the most likely situation was that J* convinced her that JC was a predator and a danger to society. All of them are shady in their own way but she is relatively drama free, I don't think she started all of this just because she was butthurt about vitamins

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No. 808597

>>808593
yeah but most of Tati's claims have been exposed as straight up lies. With receipts. I wouldn't be half surprised if she went to Jeffree and told him James was a pedophile because she loves her vitamins so much.

No. 808607

>>808564
I mean… literally no one gives a shit lmao. This video isn't getting traction the way Tati's video did because EVERYONE HATES JAMES. People have been dying to cancel him because he's fucking annoying no one gives a shit about the problematic shit he's done. Screencaps of texts are easily faked so whoever wants to keep hating him will. This video does nothing. No one cares if Jeffree and Tati met up in an evil cave to take James down because people are likely grateful they did. James's subscribers are still dead and Tati and Jeffree are both doing fine.

Jeffree has been ripping people to shreds since Myspace and always wins because he's GOOD at it. I'm sure he'll put up a video exposing James with fake texts of his own and EVERYONE will side by him because everyone! hates! James! Get over it. They're all manipulative racist trash but James is just irksome for the most petty, trivial reasons and I'll be glad as fuck if Hitler rises from the dead and drags him into the gutter.

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James is regaining subscribers quickly. this shit is ridiculous. it's like they're all in on it and just doing it because they're bored

No. 808610

>>808607
So really you don't care what actually happened and just want JC lying dead in a ditch somewhere. Well I always thought maybe beauty guru fans were sociopaths, now I know. Guess sociopaths would follow sociopaths though.

No. 808613

>>808610
Shut up James(hi cow)

No. 808616

>>808500
the only bit i agreed with him on is that people are using this as an excuse to be vaguely homophobic. the outrage over the poor liddol stwaight mens is ridiculous because straight men act like it's the end of the world when a gay man gives them the kind of attention they would to a woman. it's very much a part of toxic masculinity and i'm glad he's bringing that up

No. 808617

>>808607
I'm afraid you're not correct here. James is gaining subs and if Tati doesn't come up with something big in response, if she does not bring ~the receipts~, then he'll bounce back easily. I think his video was tailored by a huge team and it's definitely a good one. People are on his side. Just open Twitter

No. 808618

>>808613
lol i just said all the beauty gurus are sociopaths and all you could do was call me james?

Well thanks for proving my point I guess.

No. 808620

this shit is providing me much more entertainment than game of thrones failed to.

i am one of those who really hated james but if those receipts are real (and i believe them to be-if they're fake, jeffree and tati would instantly prove it, what's the point?) this all was a completely planned out smear campaign by jeffree, tati, and that disgusting pig shane dawson. and i can't believe i bought into that. sm fucking h.

i can't wait for the inevitable spew of hate video from the devil himself apparently, jeffree star

No. 808622

>>808500
this is like a masterclass in pr. i think he might actually come out of this looking better than he did before. he's just as narcissistic as all the other beautubers involved but this is a very convincing video

No. 808624

>>808620
okay you made me think of one thing, what the fuck was in it for Shane? From James' caps - Shane told Jeffree about things James said about him (J). Basically that James talked shit about Jeffree? But why would Shane do that? What's his bussines in it? I wonder

No. 808625

>>808617
Literally everyone I follow is talking about how he's full of shit in the video lmao. Sorry. This video does nothing. He isn't gaining a fanbase nearly at the same pace as he lost it. There's statements from people who knew him in high school and that can't be undone. Him stating that people he had beef with used facts against him is hardly cause to come crawling back to him when the people who now hate him were never stans. And again: text messages are easily faked. This video is 30% possible evidence and 70% whining about how unfair him being thrown under the bus is. The DAY he was cancelled I saw thousands of people call out the hypocrisy in continuing to stan Jeffree and Tati over their own controversy. Because wow, shockingly, almost everyone who hates James is not an overly invested beauty guru lover. They just hate James Charles and were happy to see anyone, no matter how awful, remove him off the face of the Earth.

"We're all homophobic for James Charles" was THE relevant meme for James just before he was cancelled. And this was a joke that started in the LGBT community lmfao. He was being clowned to death for his shitty scam of a tour - how does this video undo that? Charging extra for babies? No one likes his ugly overhyped ass when he ain't cute, nice, or talented enough to justify the platform he was given for being the only beauty guru desperate enough to give KKW Beauty a positive review. It's the only reason he was invited to the Met Gala lmao the Kardashians practically own Anna Wintour. And they will make everyone they associate with seem like the most relevant. And the Kardashians sure don't give a fuck about this follow-up video. He's dead to them too. They're focusing on skincare now anyway.

No. 808626

>>808620
Same. I don’t really like or ever watched Jc bit after his video and receipts you can see how much this was planned out to cancel him by humiliating him publicly. When I watched tatis first video and she would mention very private things it left a bad taste in the mouth specially when you see through her act of “I’m just trying to help”. Still picked her side tho. Now I see that it is fucking heavy what he has had to go through the last few weeks and that even if he is a dumbass that made some shit decisions he isn’t some danger to society pervert pedophile. It was a planned out vendetta because of vitamins and gossip (for Jeffree probably it was the perfect to not lose the spotlight to JC)

No. 808627

>>808625

>Literally everyone I follow is talking about how he's full of shit in the video lmao.


Okay you go off into your old little imaginary world where's he's cancelled, adults are speaking.

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No. 808631

>>808625
you sound childish. Calm down. We're just discussing stuff, no need for a fist-fight

>>808629
jesus. The only one left alive at the end of the day in this community gonna be Bretman Rock.

Currently there's a tweet gaining attention where it shows that the convos may have been edited because it shows May 2, May 3 and then May 2 again even though it automatically uptades time zones. Sorry for no cap.

No. 808632

>>808629
His stans saw the stupid manipulative messages JC showed in his video and still wait for him to show his side of the story? Lol nothing is going to end his career at this point, I just hope JC surpasses him in subscribers again, that's what seems to be truly hurting him (not because I like JC but because I really hate JS's manipulations)

No. 808635

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>>808622
they're all scammers, literally all of them, but this is entertainment and like you said, a masterclass in pr.

>>808624
someone on gg said maybe that was jeffree bluffing to scare james. but idk, shane is an absolute retard who'll go with whatever and believe actual abusers and racists, so.

>>808626
same, and i didn't even agree with those who said "this is too harsh, let him learn", i was all "let him suffer he deserved it" and up until her 2nd vid thought tati was mostly genuine, i saw her game but appreciated her playing it against an annoying, over-exaggerated, sexual harasser.

>>808629
game of fucking thrones, i tell you. this is delicious lol

No. 808636

>>808629
Fuck I hate this asshole, can’t wait for the receipts but also think it’s all being blown out of proportion and everybody should just stop. They are all very fucked mentally to keep going with this

No. 808637

>>808629
>>808629
did Jeffree still say he wanted to be friends with James a few days ago? Guess he changed his mind and has been sitting on some receipts when he saw his subscribers dropping.

Now he's a horrible sick person again.

No. 808643

>>808635
seriously, GoT is ending, its summer, I've nothing to do… bring on the bloodbath. they're honestly all terrible people and really, having them culled allows new talent so the cycle can begin anew

No. 808644

>>808643
or y'know we could just have like, normal people who like makeup instead of peddling shitty vitamins, palettes and trying to fuck everything that moves, that would nice.

No. 808647

>>808644
you do realize the platform you're on, right?

i say let them burn

No. 808648

>>808629
come thru jeffree

No. 808649

>>808648
And then it turns out it's an underage James Tati sextape and Jeffree throws everyone under the bus.

No. 808652

one question i had watching the james video, why wouldn't he just legit… sue jeffree? i believe he has grounds for slander? or does it all have to be more explicit? i think a case could be made that his actions very clearly damaged james' name and career

No. 808653

>>808585
Apparently the reason nikita got cut off was for hitting on nates brother. Either the same thing occured twice or Jefree is recycling stories.
>>808607
This. James is just so unlikeable lol
He's not a predator though that's just wild. He's a pathetic gay boy lusting after guys who don't want him.
>>808624
I think shane is just coming from a friend PoV, when everyone was shitting on james he just made a statement about everyone being kind to each other.
>>808643
This is pure cream

No. 808654

>>808585
Apparently the reason nikita got cut off was for hitting on nates brother. Either the same thing occured twice or Jefree is recycling stories.
>>808607
This. James is just so unlikeable lol
He's not a predator though that's just wild. He's a pathetic gay boy lusting after guys who don't want him.
>>808624
I think shane is just coming from a friend PoV, when everyone was shitting on james he just made a statement about everyone being kind to each other.
>>808643
This is pure cream

No. 808656

>>808652
>why wouldn't he just legit… sue jeffree?
>does it all have to be more explicit?

it all has to be true lol. can't sue for slander when witnesses come in to verify the other person's story.

No. 808659

>>808652
he can't sue, its a private message, that James exposed publicly.

Jeffree has to say he's a pedo publicly to defame him.

No. 808661

>>808629
People will side with Jeffree for sure. His only receipt is being a racist which no one cares about. Fans cancel people because it's fun and they're already bored of their content. Nikk and Lauren were already on their way out, cancelling them was just more fun. No one wants to cancel Jeffree because they still like his content and he's entertaining when it comes to cancelling people. He's also well-spoken and is just more engaging as an entertainer. And as someone else said he's been destroying people aggressively for over a decade and is really good at it. He's been in this game long enough to know what works and what people will respond with. He has experience. As someone with no horse in this race, James annoys me more as a person and I'm hype to watch anyone take him down. There's no morals tbh.

No. 808667

>>808661
the original bad bitch will always come out on top and i'm not complaining. the morals of this situation dont affect any of us and honestly his products are just great so he's the easiest one to support

No. 808671

>>808661
>People will side with Jeffree for sure. His only receipt is being a racist which no one cares about. Fans cancel people because it's fun and they're already bored of their content. Nikk and Lauren were already on their way out, cancelling them was just more fun.

b-but I thought it was about his SHOCKING behavior, n-not some trend!

No. 808677

>>808661
if it comes down to a game of fake text message screencaps jeffree is for sure gonna cook up better ones than james lmfao. jeffree was already exposed for all his beef and miraculously came out unscathed. he was lucky as fuck no one gave a shit about his texts to jackie because uh sorry to say all his fans are equally racist and don't care. but after that he was smart enough to not let himself fall into controversy again especially with his company growing.

rip james. he's got nothing. this is a game of gladiator at this point.

No. 808679

>>808671
Don't worry I was honest for everyone on Twitter who's playing sjw gymnastics, including these gurus. I'll be the first to say I hate James because he's a sexual predator and Jeffree because he is a racist. Catch me watching Jeffree's videos anywaaaay. We all fake.

No. 808688

>>808661
depends what kind of shocking disgusting grr sister scandal Jeffree provides. Because from what I can see, most people really hate Jeffree right now, both big commenters and mere users.

First he got hit with the straight guys ricochet, now his obsessive weird texts to James came to light and people are mad he fought his lil brother (even tho he's not a child).

Twitter is fickle and full of hypocritical moralfags.

I don't think - despite what people say under his "receipts" tweet - that he's cancelled. He's been through much worse shit, as anon above said, and came out relatively untouched. But people won't side with him now, and will be more critical of what he bring in to the dramu table. He needs something BIG to get support.

Can't wait for his video, tbh. This is the best milk since a long time.

No. 808690

>>808688
i just love that these people are so caught up in one upping each other in drama they don't even realize it just makes them all like a bunch of shitbags aaaahahahahahah

No. 808691

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>>808689
I don't know, but Jeffree plans on releasing the video, hopefully soon. He made a snap about it.

I'm with the anons betting on Jeffree. He's been stirring shit since the MySpace days and knows how the game works. You can't cancel him. Jeffree can literally murder somebody and his millions of stans will say he did nothing wrong.

No. 808700

sit back and enjoy the show ladies, it’s gonna be a long one. Jeffree has Shane in his pocket now right?

No. 808706

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>>808700
Right, I believe Jeffree and Shane are collabing on an eyeshadow palette and they're also making another docu-series together. Shane's the true winner in all of this and I can't wait for his 24-part exposé lol.

>>808691
And here's the Youtube link of Jeffree's snap for iPhone anons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjInz2sBIXw

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No. 808708

>>808679
>Catch me watching Jeffree's videos anywaaaay. We all fake.

so when people tweet out they are keepin' it real they really mean they are keepin' in fake? okay. Good to know.

No. 808728

The only thing i feel bad about JC dealing with is two 30 year olds are going after a soon-to-be 20 yr old, shamelessly and without an ounce of tact. James isn’t an innocent little uwu lamb, but they should really know better. There’s no self-respect in being 30 somethings and crying on social media or manipulating someone because you get hot and bothered by drama.

Tati and J* are the same, they use the same language and both go for the jugular. Tati just pre-faces her manipulative statements with “I cared about you” and ends it with “I’m healing, no negativity guys”

Healing from what? Making a callout video?
She’s like Trump in debates with her “Wrong” “Lies”

If JC is posting half-truths, she is as well. That’s the way that works. They’re both as weaselly as the other.

No. 808730

>>808728
Tati actually lied, but James just avoided talking about stuff. I'm assuming Jeffree has something on the topics James avoided talking about, and I'm sure it was something Jeffree did in his younger days. Before iphones.

No. 808737

I say this as someone who does find him entertaining and enjoy his products but idk how anyone can watch Jeffrey Star and think he’s just some “~brutally honest~ Queen Bee type bitch, this dude actually emits sociopathy. He calls himself Jeffrey Dahmer ffs. Beauty guru stans are all so fucking stupid it hurts. Can’t wait for the video tho, to see what kind of shit he cooks up. Jeffrey literally has the money and connection to send JC into a car accident if he wanted to, probably.

No. 808738

>>808737

Like I said, the only way to be a fan of a sociopath is to be one yourself.

No. 808745

>>808500
I don't know anything about James Charles or those other two but this is insane. He didn't prey on straight guys let alone assault anyone. Pewdiepie's homophobic fans are out in full force. All these fragile straight men thinking their irrational fears about gay guys have been vindicated. The beauty community going along with it is even worse than anything I expected from them.

Also, Zara Larson is pathetic. First she pulls her homophobic dogwhistle while being an absolute hypocrite and then she just deletes her tweet without an apology.

No. 808749

>>808728
>The only thing i feel bad about JC dealing with is two 30 year olds are going after a soon-to-be 20 yr old

This argument is so weak. James is a millionaire business tycoon not an inexperienced high school baby living with his parents. He's on tour, surrounded by adults, works, lives alone in a lush condo. No one feels sorry for him. He lives the exact same lifestyle as Tati and Jeffree. He's not a baby.

No. 808753

Jeffree's video detailing his concealer being stolen was trending #1 on Youtube for days. Tati's video exposing James was trending #1 on Youtube. James's isn't even on the list. Jeffree's last video is actually still trending. James's career is dead. Everyone is decided. No one wanted him around before the controversy Jeffree and Tati did everyone a favor they knew that and took advantage. Jeffree is literally a genius.

No. 808757

>>808753
Anon, have you not seen him gain a bunch of subs back? He's not on the red anymore.

No. 808760

>>808757
>a bunch
he literally lost millions within minutes.

No. 808767

>>808753
What are the social blade stats of those videos?

No. 808768

>>808745
>Pewdiepie's homophobic fans

You mean Jeffree/Tati's fans? Why would pewdiepie's fans care any of that especially when pewdiepie defended james.

No. 808772

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>>808768
Maybe I just don't get their shitty memes but they're so gleeful about him losing subs, calling him "it", and buying into the whole gay predator thing.

No. 808775

>>808772
"ZuuKawaii"

Only people who fall for that are women. You cant manipulate straight men to have sex with men.

No. 808776

>>808607
>Jeffree has been ripping people to shreds since Myspace and always wins because he's GOOD at it
No, Jeffree always "wins" because he's a tranny (his words, not mine) and they get more sympathy/pity points and are basically untouchable due to the fact anybody who tries to argue with them will be called transphobic.

No. 808780

>>808776
since when has he ever come out as trans?

No. 808781

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>>808753
>Jeffree's video detailing his concealer being stolen was trending
>Tati's video exposing James was trending
>James's isn't even on the list
It's because Jeffree has been licking Susan Wojcicki's (CEO of YouTube) cunt for quite a while now.
Notice how anybody who associates with Susan has their videos suddenly go viral, even with 100K views.
Since James Charles used to associate with Jeffree Star, this is how he always managed to land on the trending page. Now that their friendship is over, Jeffree told Susan to boost Tati and keep JC off the trending page.
It's that simple.

No. 808782

>>808776
I mean… I can see it but not really? Never seen anyone call him trans or the community claim him despite his jokes. If you see him during his Myspace days it's obviously he was along the vein of a drag queen, and his humor reeeally reflects that. Either way people just like him and his content and no one is ready to see him go.

James was cancelled in the literal wake of his Met Gala appearance which broight an already negative response. There were memes about how he was kicked out for stalking Shawn Mendes so it was already attached to his reputation. That level of exposure is what got him cancelled so aggressively. Right now this "clapback" video comes from his descent into a cave. If he was smart he would've attacked when Jeffree was in a moment of high exposure himself.

Like I said, Jeffree's been doing this for years. He's smart. He made sure to drag Nikki supporting that concealer with a limited shade range IN his video reviewing the product.

No. 808783

>>808781
and? the point still stands. jeffree comes out on top.

No. 808784

>>808781
Tati's video got taken off the trending page very quickly though. James also seems close with the CEO but I don't know anything about her or her motivations like I wonder if jeffree's video will trend or not

God this shit is so fucking stupid. they're all shitty friends. we're just watching the trainwreck on global news

No. 808786

>>808780
>>808782
Jeffree called himself a tranny on Deuce's (formerly of Hollywood Undead) "Break Them Wallz":
>the tranny's in your house, chainsaw and pink nails
>hot pants & high heels, the Dahmer shemale

>inb4 "those are just song lyrics, he didn't really mean it!", "he was clearly going for shock value!", etc.

No. 808787

so jaclyn hill is trending on youtube and i decided to click and see the related videos. mind you i've not looked up or watched a single video about this drama and it doesn't look like jaclyn is associated with either side.

all the related videos are still exposing james. his video does not appear. so it's really not viral or trending at all. i decided to click a video with 2m views explaining the drama and all the comments are from 2 days ago, so obviously no one has been keeping up with this drama and it's kind of yesterday's news. checked out the relates videos. james's latest video is not there. what is there? a negative response video to it with only 3k views.

No. 808788

>>808753
it's just like projared losing his verified status on twitter within the hour after the shit came out about him.

No. 808789

>>808786
Those are just song lyrics. He has always officially stated said he is an androgynous man, especially in his videos recently. try harder stan

No. 808791

>>808789
First day on the Internet, sweetie?

No. 808796

>>808753
that video currently has a lot of negative comments tho. not too harsh tho a lot of them just have sad faceys saying they're disappointed. i'm sure whatever response video jeffree uploads will be convincing enough for people to bandwagon restan. kat von d had him pretty severely disliked until he uploaded his response video. we'll see the dirt jeffree digs up on james. probably more about james being a sexual predator with detailed and possibly fake accounts from people. hell, he may even pay off someone. this man is not ready to be cancelled.

No. 808798

>>808789
>try harder stan
Just because I'm not licking Jeffree Star's glossy butthole doesn't mean I'm a stan for anybody else. Try harder, retard.

>>808631
I saw the tweet you referenced but it seems like people are calling JC's receipts fake because of the spacing, which happens whenever you send texts through iPhones a while after, as opposed to immediately, if that makes sense.

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No. 808802

>>808783
this thread's jeffree stans are so wild

No. 808803

>>808784
The idea of friendships with the CEO is pretty funny, like…its a corporation.
They may do favours if pressed but all these Youtubers are is cash cows.

In what world do people seem to think going for drinks with your boss secures special treatment, it’s management. Any Youtuber with a brain knows that and exploits it.

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>>808802
You’d think they’d be quieter, considering when he was actually besties touring with a literal pedophile he was very quiet until it all blew up. Tired song and dance of 20/20 hindsight.

No. 808809

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>>808806
Jeffree is in the big leagues now, I'm sure he hangs out with pedo ceos and producers regularly.

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I can't believe that newspapers in the UK are detailing everything that has being going on with the drama. Imagine being an old man waking up to read your daily paper and seeing this shite.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7045401/James-Charles-hits-claims-tricked-straight-men-thinking-gay.html

No. 808812

>>808806
it's old tea though and the jury decided to forgive him. no one stans jeffree they just hate james and are pointing out the obvious bias in this situation and predicting the outcome. looking at the comments on ig it's 50/50 for believing james and believing jeffree, with all of the people cancelling jeffree having no intention of following james again. the texts really do look fake and a lot of people are pointing out the formatting so jeffree might expose that. i don't believe james's texts. he's been on ig comments openly being creepy towards other men.

No. 808813

>>808810
Dailymail works by commission. They only report on what they're paid to. That's why you'll see pap pics and articles on IG thots with very little followers. James's management paid for this article.

No. 808814

I don't understand the "I'm a virgin" thing. He talks about sucking dick all the time?

No. 808816

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No. 808817

>>808783
So, because he's "won", no one should (correctly) point out that he's a shitty person who isn't where he is from "being just that great", but by using shady tactics and hypocrisy?
I'm starting to believe being a J* fan is a red flag for just being a shitty person overall, lmao.

No. 808818

>>808816
It's not going to be about Tati anymore. It's going to be a full on J* vs JC clash of the titans.

Considering how close they are in subscribers I'd say that's a pretty good metric to determine the winner but we won't know for a couple months.

No. 808826

>>808814
It's a way to appeal to their younger audience. This is off-topic but the Dolan Twins do the same thing.

No. 808830

>>808826
They claim virginity? I don't watch them but I've seen them so that's pretty surprising

No. 808840

>>808814
It can happen. I myself am a kissless, hugless, handholdless nineteen year old homovirgin. But I doubt James Charles has the moral integrity needed to pursue this path. Sex is too easy to come by if you're gay to remain a virgin, unless it's done willfully.

Then again, the fake-up is so disgusting maybe no one actually wants to fuck him.

No. 808841

>>808500
ok so just the starting point. he told tati h would post it but what does it matter, he was doing it anyway? and also reaching out to them afterwards makes no difference. sooooo she still felt disrespected just like she says she did. if this is a sign of how this video is going to go, I'm bored already.

No. 808844

>>808624
Shane is joining the beauty comm, believe it or not. He is joining forces with Jeffree on a coming venture.

This video of James' is pure cringe. the sex assault allegations were unmasked as fake pretty fast and including them at any length is disingenuous. The ending is a pure appeal to 12yo, undeveloped brains.

No. 808845

>>808812
Are you kidding? there are actual, live jeffree stans who lurk this thread to tell us how their fave vampire dindu nuffin about calling anyone gorillas.

No. 808846

Considering Shane hasn't said anything yet I bet he's started to wonder if he backed the wrong horse. There's probably no way he could drop J* at this point though. Could this dumb bullshit actually bring down Shane "I raped my cat" Dawson?

No. 808849

>>808846
In business and power terms, he is still with the right horse.

No. 808850

>>808846
Jeffree has bounced back from worse allegations and with a significantly smaller fanbase. People are already searching for plotholes because they don't want James to be popular again and if Jeffree is smart he'll build on that. Should be easy.

No. 808855

>>808530
honestly tati was already looking bad by being a 37 year old woman trying to destroy a 19 year old's career for not promoting her vitamins. seems like she was jealous.

No. 808863

James in that video saying it's defamatory but not just taking legal action instead is… interesting. There are elements of this whole story being kept out of the public eye so far. Can't wait till the next chapter!

No. 808886

This whole thing is actually mental.
Tati and Jeffree speak out:
James loses over 3 million subscribers, Tati gains nearly 5 million and Jeffree was gains aswell.
James makes a video:
Gets 500K subscribers back in one day and Tati and Jeffree start losing subscribers

What even is this. No one cares about what actually happened, people just jump onto the next person's throat to mass bully them and scream "you're cancelled"

Social media and worldwide connecting really doomed this world.

No. 808921

>>808500
Jesus, Tati looks like a cunt, but J* is a way bigger bully that I ever expected.

No. 808932

>>808886
Your speaking as if these people who profit off of the vultchers that pry on them getting cancelled are innocent, without social media they'd still be torn apart by the masses they owe as much to their drones to allow them to be shred apart, they profit hundreds upon millions from their accumulated fickle subs.

I hate to use the there's more important things going on fallacy but climate change is more of a concern than a few catty preteens the world's predicted to go into ecological decline in flux within the next 8 years.

No. 808943

>>808706
> pig tummy tea

that sounds like a fetish or something ffs ew, I never needed to see those words written together. Fuck, Shane, gross.

No. 808946

>>806516
conspiracy theory but this was all manufactured as a charity project to keep youtube drama and commentary channels in business

No. 808956

>>808178
>So that's the question: can anyone give any reasoning for why it's acceptable for a 37 year old woman to abuse a trusted mentor/mentee relationship and publicly humiliate a teenage boy 18 years younger than her for her own personal and financial gain? Your answer can't have the word james in it, and since she insists it's not about her vitamins that can't be an argument either. Not saying it can't be done, I'd just like to hear some legitimate pro-Tati opinions.

This 300%. You don't have to make a public statement on why your friendship ended uwu, thats a choice and one that people make to monetize drama most of the time. Tati stans have nothing to say besides "b-but james!!".

If you're so blinded by Tati's fake niceness then imagine if she were a man saying "Guise I got manipulated by this girl 18 years my junior! I was abused and I now have to decide to punish this girl publicly bc she needs to learn!! uwu". Sounds sinister, doesn't it. All Tati had to do was to tell him the stuff she said in the video privately and then cut ties if he fails to respond in a non-retarded way. Make no public garbage about it. And no, she doesn't get to decide to punish someone else's kid. That is insane.

No. 809002

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>>808932
>vultchers

No. 809011

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>>808738
Doubt J* stans are “sociopathic” but they’re just his brain dead army of skanks hoping to soak up some of the good grace (like Nate whose image is literally curated as ~poor Midwest boy who came up because he was so unconditionally loyal uwu~)

No. 809016

>>808298
>but I don't really see what's there to discuss, especially without using the word "James" since this is about him
Holy shit did you miss the entire point. Literally all I asked for was one reason why Tati wasn't absolute trash without that reason being "well James Charles is worse" and you made it the most about James you possibly could. Not only did you miss the entire point, you did the exact thing I pointed out as the problem.
>hey i think "x" is bad
>"x" isn't bad, "y" is bad! can't believe you're such a "y" wk! "y" deserved it! why are you even bringing up "x", this is all about "y"
????

No. 809041

>>809016

As someone who dislikes all three personalities in this dramafest (four if you include Shane), I don't think what she did was trashy because "uwu 19 year old boy gets bullied by his mentor", I think it's because she has every right to cut someone off from her life and business for X/Y/Z reason and make an announcement about it, but instead of making it impersonal and vague she basically poured the oil and let the fans strike the match.

However I am enjoying the situation thoroughly. JC using these situations to highlight homophobia is hilarious. The haters in the past will still be haters, but he didn't have all those million subs and deals because of his godlike makeup skills. He got it because he used stereotypical personality traits to create a character. It brought him money. Now suddenly it's a curse upon him and his life? Nah.

No. 809096

http://imgur.com/a/NyvEBqM

Made an Imgur album for all the screenshots of the DMs etc James posted in his video

Personally, I don't know what to believe. Jeffree being a cunt who wants to be #1 is totally believable, but I can't quite process how Tati and Jeffree wold even plan this and backstab James like that (if every screenshot is real)

No. 809107

>>809096
The whole thing with the waiter was completely made up. Tati seems like a massive bitch who stabbed a friend in the back for the most petty reason

No. 809108

New Pewdiepie video

No. 809114


No. 809118

>>809107
It's a business move on all of their sides, Tati and Jeffree know that they will get the views from James' fandom

No. 809139

>>809096

Ty for this anon, I cannot listen to James talk for more than 5 minutes without wanting to go deaf.

But are these really it? These are the receipts? How does this prove anything? I mean I guess it proves JC is a psycho, which we all knew. But these screenshots are clearly very one sided. Excited to see what Jeffree has to say tbh

No. 809142

>>808809

I mean that's a given, he's thrived on the ”If I can't be cute I’ll be a catty drag queen gay bff! Bitches love that!” and t worked all the way from Myspace til now because the social media environment for that type of persona never changed.

At least he's not desperately trying to remain relevant on YT taking shots of his own jizz like Matt Lush

>>808812
It's old milk, yeah. Hopefully, you're talking about J*? I’m just gonna assume you are.

It’s an example of a habit. It's repeated behaviour, he's quiet about things until he could be roped in by them. He's the loudest hypocrite in the room, clinging onto others who are praised publicly in a good light. He's a parasite. It's going to happen again and again because his brain is wired like an addict’s for the adrenaline rush drama gives him. He could benefit from a digital break more than anyone.

Also the idea that his stans aren't wking him is hilarious because even ITT people are saying ”J* is the best nobody can top him he's untouchable!”. He's only good at being a manipulative sociopath who’s not held back by emotions as he stomps over his collab guests to get a higher follower count.

No. 809150

>>807829
according to literally who? he pays 25 million in taxes every year, he’s definitely worth a lot more than 50m.
>kiddo
oh fuck off. this thread is attracting you autistic redditors in fucking droves.

No. 809156

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Jeffrees fans are so cringy

No. 809159

I don't get why Tati's video got 50 million views. Even with Tati, JC, and J's pre-video subscriber count combined, that's still only about 36 million. I'm not familiar with view botting, does anyone know if Tati or J paid for views on that video? Apologize if this has been discussed before but I haven't seen anyone talk about it. I just really doubt 50 million people care about what this vitamin pushing mid-life crisis has to say

No. 809169

>>809159
It went viral. Kylie Jenner unfollowed him. Zara Larsson made her own allegations. Homophobes love the whole "gay guy preying on straight men" thing. People didn't care about the vitamin stuff but the lies about him being a predator.

No. 809213

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This is in his likes… I'm guessing he won't deliver milk.

No. 809216

>>809213
If he doesn’t it’s bc he’s got nothin I bet

No. 809218

>>809213
Because he has no milk, he reacted out of anger that JC exposed the messages and wanted to protect his image so he tweeted and snapped saying he had all these damning evidence to prove he had reason to act the way he did but he's going to pretend he's not releasing them because he's 'the bigger person' and is doing it to 'stop the hate'. I hope no one buys this shit, if you make a claim that someone is a pedo and a danger to society you would be calling the police, not vague tweeting about them and hiding all the 'evidence' you apparently have.



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