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what do you guys think of Jaclyn Hill? She seems to be really polarizing in the community
in my opinion her videos are fine cause she usually goes in depth about her techniques and make everything super simple. but they're too repetitive and she hardly uploads so i'm not subscribed. also i think she looks tacky as fuck, with those god awful lips and just the way she does her makeup in general is just shit. bitch looks like an alien to me. but she's good when i need to remember to blend my shadow!
any other opinions?
Personally I like her videos and I like watching her cake on so much makeup because I don't wear that much. Idk I find it really relaxing to watch for some reason. I agree her makeup is way over the top 99% of the time. The amount of highlighter she uses is ridiculous.
I don't follow her on any other social media so I feel like that's why I don't hate her. It seems like as soon as you start following these people on snapchat or twitter you start to find things that make you dislike them.
has her own thread but its too old to necro and apparently full of white knighting anyway.
I've never understood the hype surrounding her channel. She constantly wears makeup that doesn't flatter her, her "quirky" behavior is irritating, she's always screaming, and she looks like Stinky from Casper. I don't agree with her 12 year old fans harassing Tarte back in the day until they gave her a palette (an ugly one at that) or when she vlogged that mommy-daughter shopping spree to NYC. In the latter, she bought her mom some designer bag and the strap broke, so they sent it back for repairs. She bitched about how long it was taking (because god forbid the thought-provoking, gracious graveyard girl wait like every other person does!) so her fanbase once again bombarded the company with emails demanding the bag. She thanked her fans and the company issued an apology even though they did nothing wrong by following protocol and filling customer's orders which came before Bunny and her trailer trash family.
I honestly don't get the amount of stanning for this person.
PULL has a thread on her but its mostly fluff about the Tarte palette drama (she isn't a makeup guru yet she only got the palette through her incessant fans spamming the company, same as the broken bag incident), how she used to be sponsored by Lime Crime, photoshopping her eyes to look bluer than they actually are (pulling a Dakota), and that's basically it. A lot of people unsubbed from her because she became so obnoxious and they miss old Bunny content from her paranormal days. She knows nothing about skincare/makeup.
Also, something about her throwing away fan mail.
She looks filthy, doesn't know what she's talking about, and thinks being loud and obnoxious is entertaining.
Yep, definitely appeals to the teen audience.
i dont understand her appeal at all.
one thing that has really bothered me is that she says her current bf "dogman" has been the only guy shes ever dated but in her old paranormal days she mentions something about a dead bf with a mohawk or some shit. it's like she retconned her own dating life for no reason
oh my god this bitch is a huge cow.
I've never seen anything about her.>had a husband/bf who she called her sugar daddy>he cheats they get divorced>during her marriage to him she freaks on her fans because she says she'll never have kids ever>like she made a (now deleted) vlog crying how she'll never have kids and her meanie fans dont understand by telling her she'll change her mind>now has a baby>with some weird dude she just met>throughout 2011-now her youtube drastically changed>she built an entire persona of being a biology nerd and what not but turns out she has no knowledge of the degree she has and is just an airheaded shopaholic
bleh she could have a whole thread but i have no caps i'm sure theyre out there somewhere though.
Agreed. Bunny has become a real bitch in recent years. She's basically used her tween fan army to bully companies into giving in to her demands. >>481470
I'm amazed you could even click on it. I can't stand her and I have honest to god never understood the appeal of her. I don't understand her stans on pull or in her /snow/ thread. I remember a few months ago when the hurricane happened all she could do was bitch on vlog that she was having milk in her coffee for the first time in days. Like oh poor fucking youtuber, going without milk in her latte! Meanwhile, other people lost their loved ones or entire goddamned house.>>481496
People defended her by saying that it was supposed to look "antiquey", but it didn't invoke that vibe to me at all.. It just looked very out of place and as mentioned before, Bunny isn't even a makeup guru yet she got the palette and she is referred to as one? Maybe I should buy some cheap ass Revlon and tuck my upper lip and try to get paid if she is apparently what qualifies as a guru.>>481508
Because she had to rebrand herself as some ~*quirky sippy white trash lolsorandum*~ amalgamation of wtf in order to get attention, because the old fans that she had weren't good enough for her.
Its honestly sad that she's only 32 yet has such an unfortunate face. Her hands were also recently posted in Suzy's thread and everybody thought they belonged to an old man at first.
It always irritated me that she deliberately puts on a stronger, even more southern accent when she's from Texas and in all my life I've never heard a Texan sound like her. She did admit it a long time ago because people were asking if she grew up somewhere else or her family were from the deep south, apparently she spent her childhood with a friend who had a more southern accent, I can't remember where, and that's why. When she's speaking with anyone else on camera she has a regular accent but then on her own does her best to sound like she's country. It's a stupid gripe but it never made sense to me. Also her eyes aren't as blue in person but that's painfully obvious, and I don't know why she 'teaches' young girls 'how to do their makeup' when she only recently started blending and she still makes her shadow both muddy and patchy, and her foundation has never matched her a day in her life. I doubt it ever will. She also talks extensively about how bad her mental health is and how she frequently has to take days in bed because of it, stays up all night and sleeps through the day, likes to come across as a poor fragile quirky flower. She makes it sound romantic, at least she used to, because Dogman stays with her through everything and he's pretty much the only one who does spend time with her now apparently which is a bit sad.
KL is so annoying. I forgot that I had subbed to her until her Halloween acorn video showed up in my sub box and to my surprise she was pregnant. I had to kek about her carrying around a NUT! KL has always been one of those try-hard asian girls who wanted to be ~ ULLLZANG kawaiiiii ~ and she was ok back in the days of bubz and hanh. They were all just making shitty videos with no techniques or skills just catering to their cheap teenage asian audience.
I wonder if she will try the whole mommy vlogger thing. I actually enjoy bubzvlogs. I hated her other content it was so insufferable and immature. Her videos were Full of "pawsitive thinking" mantra bullshit, drives me up the god damn wall!! She's so much more likable now that she's acting like a normal human being.
To be honest I used to be subbed to her for her sewing videos
Those were enjoyable but who knew she was such a cow behind it all
She was so much more likable some years back, when she was still making paranormal videos alongside hauls, ootds, and vlogs. You could tell she put a lot of thought into her videos back then. She was always a little goofy, but not extreme as now, screaming at the camera and everything. She says she just got more comfortable with herself, no shes clearly hamming it up to able to young kids (where all the money is on youtube now)
She stopped doing paranormal stuff as much now bc she doesn't want to scare her child audience kek.>>481508
Anon Im fucking glad you brought this up bc ive noticed similar inconsistencies in her videos. She used to talk about how bc her bad anxiety she would sleep with her hairdryer on in the bed with her, take it with when she stayed in hotels and at friends etc. The last time I watched a video of hers she said that she would never keep the hairdryer on while she sleeps and that she dosent travel with them? strange. I also rember her mentioning a dead boyfriend.
Theres also the recent mystery box drama, again her fans pestering people/shops. Shes more milky than I thought
Yeah, but people want to talk about it over here
on lc. And Bunny's thread is about two years old with mostly stans ruining it.
>>482774>She stopped doing paranormal stuff as much now bc she doesn't want to scare her child audience kek.
She said it was due to a bad experience she and her boyfriend had and shit going on in their house.
Jaclyn is one of my least favorite out of the 'big' beauty gurus on youtube. Her makeup is boring at best, ugly at worse. Her style is tacky and OTT, but not tacky and OTT enough to be lovable and iconic. Her whole quirky basic white bitch shtick isn't my thing either.
The only youtube beauty guru I really dislike is nikkie tutorials just because she is beyond boring to me. All her makeup looks the same, all her videos are the same, photoshopping her moonface all the time, etc.
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MannyMua apparently found Jeffree stars boyfriends nudes and now shit is about to hit the fan
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Jackie's name has been floating around a lot lately for drama. Apparently she said "konichiwa" while doing an ombre lip, then deleted the video and gave a half ass "Sorry you don't get my humor" apology. Then the giveaway winner who posted on reddit talking about Jackie was going to cancel her prize for contacting her when she had been ignoring the winner. The girl won in February and just got her prize this month because she complained.
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Lmfao beautythots reaching to Pluto with “konnichiwa das racist”
I need somebody to sit me down through the mental fucking gymnastics these spectrum afflicted kids danced their way through to make 'konichiwa' problematic
when she wasn't exactly in idk China trying to greet officials.
It gets even better, Manny thought he was being clever vague tweeting about finding the nudes so Jeffree tweeted "life's a drag" to leak the name of Manny's palette.>>551891
I didn't want to believe the old stories about Jackie being a scammer but looks like the loons on LSA were proved right
i don't even like jackie but someone needs to enlighten me on how that is racist lmao
the beauty community just wants EVERYTHING to be racist/tied to race nowadays
What's with that clasping hand gesture youtubers do whenever they begin an introduction or laugh at the start of their video? Is this a nervous tick, or is this a behavior that came about on social media recently?
I notice the really fake type of youtubers tend to make grand gestures, laugh, and look around a lot.
i used to enjoy jackie's content but stopped after the last year (maybe 2 years ago…)or so. unsubbed. she's annoying as hell and only reviews expensive shit or sponsored shit. the way she was shoving his stupid bf into things for a while bothered me too. and she openly liked kuckian but refuses to admit it now. her old videos are day and light. she was a quiet no bs reviewer and now she thinks being loud=funny=good video. she's grating. especially because her sound sucks, and she insists on screaming and shit. also she dismisses anyone who disagrees with her, but you'd have to follow her on twitter to notice it. it didn't surprise me that she treated the giveaway winner so poorly. she thinks everyone needs to worship the ground she walks on.
i really dislike jackie. and i still think the konichiwa heat was undeserved. she didn't do anything wrong. all the virtue signaling was the worst, talking about "why do people never call out racism against asian poc???" sure do talk about it but saying konichiwa isn't racism against poc you fragile bitch. she shouldn't have deleted the video. but she cries and deletes and acts dumb at the sight of criticism so no surprise. still, she did nothing wrong. its not even a microagression. its like someone putting on a beret and saying "Bonjour ladies!" who the fuck cares. the people who complained about that probably love kathleen n-word lights too, crybabies.
I HATE these learned youtube ticks that all of them feel like they have to do.
The absolute worst one is common especially with girls. They constantly look down or to the side while saying “so” or “and” and then immediately looking at the camera while cheerily saying “yeah!”
So sick of the constant “so…yeah!” “and… yeah!” That is not a normal speech tick and it’s originated entirely from them copying each other’s videos. Why. Stop.
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James Charles is so gross and that outfit is hideous
How did this kid get so popular again?
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Technically not a beauty guru, but does anyone watch Charles Gross?
I watched Charles when he first started out, he actually made interesting videos about Hermes bags if into that that stuff, but once he got popular he ran out of ideas and just start trolling and became a discount Trisha Paytas
Poor kid has a million problems and needs mental help - he broke down crying because of his bad experience with Hermes, has social issues, family issues, overdone botox & lip injections, sex addiction, and fills the void in his heart with shopping and luxury goods which he later resells anyways.
He's an absolute mess
>>558513>he broke down crying because of his bad experience with Hermes
In this video, right? I never had the time/patience to watch it, but it seemed lulzy when I first saw it in my recommends.
Can anyone makd a TL;DW?
god I vaguely remember that drama, he was trying to find a not common blue Birkin, problem is that these bags aren't mass produced, so there's usually waiting lists and priority is given to frequent buyers/celebrities/etc, not someone who used to work in the birkin reselling world. So he felt like he wasn't getting quality treatment? And so on one of the Hermes employee's IG account (from the hermes store he'd constantly go to), the employee's friend made a comment about Charles and Charles saw it and went nuts. Even recorded himself crying on his bathroom floor about the drama.
Went on to email the company about his dramatic terrible experience, but I'm pretty sure in the end the Hermes gave 0 shits and did nothing about it.
He eventually got the bag from a reselling site I think
Anyways due to this tragic and horrific incident, his image of Hermes is tainted and sold his bags later on
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Since when does Wallace Shawn do makeup tutorials?
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john mclean is a very good makeup artist but I can't stand some of is facials expressions and the way he talk. I don't know if it's me who is ratchet but he really sound like a parody/ a try hard version of Lisa Eldridge. The video is to give a good exemple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJX2-yLeckc
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And also this facebook post destroyed my side
the voice and try-hard words are a recent and deliberate jokey kind of thing, like he knows how ridiculous he sounds and plays it up hardcore and adds vampire references and stuff. Tbh I like it,I also like that he owns his weird taste in looking like extremely feminine, sophieellis bextor-ish, and still calls himself a man, in one video he even says "I am THE man," which I liked. However, his looks are all very similar, similar shapes and silohuettes to his eye work, contour, brows and lips, and extremely heavy mask makeup, so I stopped watching.
The Hermés employee made a comment through their friends account that Charles should "jump his faggot ass from a bridge and die" or something along the lines, so it's not like the comment was as nice as you're making it out to be.
Charles is a huge attention whore so he used that to be what he does best, an attention whore.>>576945
Charles does nothing else except complain how difficult it is to be a rich kid. He's trying to be the gay Trisha Paytas v2.
He's dry on milk 97% of the time and once a year he makes a decent video that is chuckleworthy.
It's not just you anon. That wide-eyed crazed look he gets in his eye from time to time when he refuses to blink is still very jarring. Just came back after a long while of not skimming through his videos and he's done a better job of toning it down but you can still see it for shorter bursts at times.>>569274
Either way it's obnoxious and try-hard.
Super late but I fucking hate so many of the anti-consumerist channels. I don't hate what they stand for or what they discuss. There are glaring problems with the YT beauty community, being disingenuous for benefits, dishonest reviews to stay on PR lists, pushing mediocre PR products and never touching or mentioning them again, all this stuff we already know. But channels like hers that just complain about the community and declare these problems like they're the first ones to ever point it out annoy me because they're so self-righteous. They pat themselves on the back for all the products they don't buy, brands they don't support, panning their products, talking about 'issues' in the community like they're heroes. There's nothing offensive about any of that but their self-righteous attitude is so annoying. How many videos can you make of 'I'm not going to buy this because I have this one palette with the same colors so I don't really need it.' But then when they get something in PR they're all giddy and excited, and all that 'I'm just saying the truth, I'm saying the things no one else wants to say' just strangely goes away.
Lucia Tepper is the worst offender, smug and yet fucking stupid at the same time. Her controversial makeup ads video is some of the worst overreacting I've seen in a long time, doesn't know how to pronounce Sid Vicious, and makes quick judgements without googling or doing any research. Thrifty Beauty has one good video, the Pop Effect, and the rest is being a smug, snarky bitch. I like that she encourages saving money and planning financially but I hate her attitude. Elle S makes really nice looks but she's so hipster and whiny, when people criticize her instead of ignoring it she makes a whole video about her dad getting cancer, her pet dying, trouble with her job, supposedly venting but just trying to get sympathy. Get over it, don't make content if you can't handle some people not liking you. She acts humble but thinks she's so special with her Stevie Nicks skinwalking and 70s aesthetic obsession.
All in all they come across as the bitter bitches that hate the pretty girls at the popular girls table but secretly want to be them. Any of them would shill for the kind of money but beauty guru's are making in a second.
Sorry for the essay, I've just been dying to vent about this.
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Charles Gross's sex tape leaked!(spoiler nsfw images)
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her uneducated video about how people buy stuff for the cute packaging and talking shit about well-known, high quality Korean makeup/skincare line was so dumb. and how the one toofaced donated part of the earnings of the clover palette to animal charity. she opens her mouth before researching things.
for those who don't know who she is and don't want to visit her channel, these are the titles of her shitty (but most viewed) videos>makeup collabs you bought JUST for the celeb's name>Makeup You Bought JUST For The Packaging>Products People Buy That They Know Won't Work For Them>Why "Collecting" Makeup Is PROBLEMATIC
She occasionally makes decent quality videos, but those don't reach 5K views. >>551844>>552091
He's so annoying, esp. how he dropped JS after using him for views and fame.
Yeah, he definitely doesn't bother me because all of his anti-hauls made perfect sense to me, while being really funny. He had actually good reasons for not buying certain products while being entertaining.
However, I hate
the anti-hauls going from being funny to preachy SJW (I'm sorry but I can't think of another word for it) bullshit out of nowhere. So many of his anti-hauls just derail into preaching, and he's even acknowledged that it annoys people and that he should keep the ranting in his series that is specifically for those topics and keep it out of the anti-hauls that are a lot of fun.
I like the guy, never bothered me that he used the products sent to him (why wouldn't he, hell yeah I'd use Good Genes and DE if I got it for free) but I hate the SJW shit. Like saying that people that love Korean skincare are culturally appropriating and 'Orientalizing' it's like people want the products because they have good ingredients and they work. I couldn't give a fuck where the products come from if they are good, work for my problem skin, are affordable and at least being ethically produced. And you're supporting the Koran companies by buying the products anyway, it grossed me out that he tried to make people feel bad for wanting nice skin.
update on this girl:
>made q&a addressing drama that's been going on for months >stated that she's still an anti-consumerism channel despite thirsting for sponsors>flat out states that she would not be against collaborating with a brand (she claims to be ANTI CONSUMERISM) and releasing her OWN palette (specifically with colourpop as she's name dropping them repeatedly in her video)>avoid dramas channels because they are gross and stated it's disgusting for them to build off someone's success despite building her entire channel off shitting on makeup brands>admits that her channel grew because of drama >"it's not about the numbers but i gained 40k subs in a month">still continues to have poor makeup skills and is unable to pick colors that match her skin tone>continues to flip flop on her beliefs
this girl is still my favorite flake in the making.
This chick is boring. I agree with all your criticism, but she also just seems like a young girl who doesn't know what she is doing. She just finished her first year of college and she is like a standard college girl from a Christian family who thinks she is really grown up now, if that makes sense.
I think she will even out and just be boring.
Could be wrong though.
I initially started watching her because I'm thought her views on anti-consumerism were interesting. She got the tiniest bit of attention and she used it to beg brands to spend her PR even though she stated multiple times that PR was problematic
. Then her mental gymnastics to explain how it was okay to get PR was fucking stupid. Basically she was like "I can get PR because I am trustable to give an unbiased opinion". How? Literally the only time she's anti-consumerism is when she's shitting on brands and other YouTubers. I fucking hate even seeing her videos pop up in my recommended tbh.
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Bitch deadass bought from too-faced even if she talks shit about them in every.single.video she makes. Lmao, I bet she is just salty bc she can't afford everything she wants, like, most people.
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So ~minimalist~ of her
she makes it sound like the PR companies sending her palettes is beyond her control. girl, you gave them your postal address! no one needs that much shadow.
if she was really anti-consumption she would have depotted the ones she didn't have problems with and then used them in looks (e.g. put any gold eyeshadow over lid) instead of buying new ones and recommending specific brands. she would be able to dupe a lot of new palettes that way.
I hate how beauty youtubers only donate their trash to charities. they never donate anything new, just used things to make themselves feel better about not throwing them away. poor people don't deserve your trash.
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Update: Lucia apparently is selling the bronzer, didn't anyone give her a lecture about freaking used makeup?
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Well, since the Jeff thread is basically dead, I'll post this here instead. Who's excited to see how biased Shane's "The Secret World of Jeffree Star" series will be?
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tin foil, but jeffree trying to say he doesn't have an eating disorder when his knuckles are clearly scarred just doesn't add up to me
Shane also did long ass videos on grav3yardgirl and Tana, both of which were discussed in their threads. Do you not understand how any of this works? >>>/snow/483139>>>/snow/100403
>Come to thread about /YOUTUBE/ gurus>Talk shit about people watching /YouTube/ videos
I don't think you understand how dumb you are.
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I 100% get what you mean. I know he's really hammy and over-sexualizes every move as part of his brand™, but he's like the only one who can actually pull it off. I'm otherwise kinda grossed out by him. I've also always found Buffalo Bill confusingly hot though, so maybe I'm just fucked up.
How are knuckles a sign of an ED?
I kinda believe him on that, the only thing I have done is weed seems harder to accept tho. I assume he is stoned a lot but not in the way you eat a ton on?
Anyways this video is more about how nice his place is. It’s crazy how rich he is and how much stuff he has. It looks like the second video will be more milky
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I'm deeply uncomfortable with with his dog "cleaning his gums". Also I will never get tired of Andrew giggling behind the camera in every video. What a cutie pie.
what the fuck??? I know jeffree is weird but this is just fucking gross.
Do you guys think he's one of those people that open-mouth kiss their dogs?
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Tbh my knuckles look like that frequently just from eczema and dry climate (especially in the winter), and I wouldn't trust anything on his body given the amount of surgery he's had. I'd be more apt to believe it just based on his eating habits. "I don't gain weight and I don't sweat idk why!!!" just seems too easy, and especially since his teeth are fake too. Seems like he just eats 100% sugary junk food. Also this was one of the images I remember best from his Myspace days, so it only seems appropriate.
Idk anon guys hold weight weird. I think we all know at least one old dude who’s creepy skinny with no explanation. Plus if you ever watch his mukbangs he’s a crazy picky eater (only eats cheese burgers plain with one bun, only eats cheese quesadillas with no sauce from toco Bell) so he probably has disordered eating but not an eating disorder.
He just seems like one of those weird kids who got picked on a lot in school and never really grew up because of it. Hence the super obnoxious, racist, and just general shitty behavior.
I will say he does seem like a smart business man tho
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Huh. I had no idea he did a song with Nicki and was signed with Akon. I feel like they really overestimate his music career overall, with Akon saying he's the "next Lady Gaga". Like his music fit perfectly in the Myspace Electropop/Synth shit scene days, but there's no way he could have had a music career outside of that. Seems like he kind of implies signing with Akon was his downfall, but….it sure seems like he's doing fine in life. He should be more grateful of where he ended up, because there's no way he would have made as much money in music.
Jeffrey Star may have sucked and fucked his way to opportunities but ya gotta admit he was masterful at socializing and proved himself to be a compentent businessman. I respect that.
He’s not “humble” in the way people expect but for someone who capitalizes on the lavish diva image, he seemed to have really invested in himself on an emotional level these past years. Vastly more mature and stable than most of these maladjusted blubbering messes of Internet personalities who came into wealth. /end shill
Relatedly, Shane’s incessant “omg im so poor” routine gets on my fucking nerve like okay we get it Jeffree makes everyone look impoverished and you’re trying to be relatable to your viewers or whatever but Shane you’re not poor in any materialistic sense of the word. That shit is just condescending.
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In that vid he says “I don’t sweat lmao” but minutes later in their designer closet he says “omg I’m sweating” so yeah.
Also am I the only one not that impressed with his house? It severely lacks furniture overall. Like yeah they have a grand bed and some pinball machines but otherwise it seemed pretty .. barren. I was more impressed by graveyard girls house.
It’s a work in progress, it seems like he is focusing more on his wardrobe rooms upstairs for his stuff. Having multiple rooms for your expensive shit and multiple bedrooms for someone who has “no friends” is excessive. Bunny though seems to be pretty much done in her house setup and focuses more on the dolls and old stuff she has vs the one area for clothes that stuff. Different priorities. >>655213
It sounds like he signed with Akon because he was broke and needed something but Akon’s drama made him a bad partner to have for music and he feels like that stopped him and not like that he isn’t that good. It would be interesting to see him do music again so I hope he goes for it.
I normally like Shane but god damn he is annoying me recently with this Mother Teresa god of YouTube shit>omg I’m gonna buy this shitty kid who hates me a car because spread love <3>omg graveyardgirl I’m gonna save her channel>omg tanacon was just a misunderstanding they aren’t bad people >omg Jeffree should bring his music back because I SHANE know he wants to deep down
Bothers me more than it should but whatever. Lmao
Shane even stated on the No Jumper podcast that Fousey broke himself into that he’s been thinking about quitting YouTube so I’m almost wondering if he feels like collaborating and trying to help out other youtubers in this new docu-style to give himself a new way to enjoy making videos again, I mean Shane is one of the OG youtubers and is still kicking around so he must be sick of doing the same shit all the time
Honestly I’m loving his new style of videos he’s great with editing, and I laughed a fair bit in this new series
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Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing >>655987
said. I bet it's a holdover from his childhood, the same way he constantly talks about how fat he is even though he's obviously not as big as he was when he was a kid. Even though he has a nice house and money and shit he probably won't ever see himself as anything other than the "poor fat kid".>>655259
Oh yeah, I'm not saying he doesn't have charisma or isn't a hard worker at all, he certainly is. His wiki says:>He later described signing to Akon's record label as "the biggest mistake I've ever made."
I just mean I don't think he should be sitting in his mansions with millions of dollars and a successful makeup line "not looking at the prices of things" and saying that Akon ruined his life. That's bullshit. He could have just as easily ended up like all the other Myspace celebrities who are now nobodies. He should be thankful that his music career flopped and he pivoted to makeup at just the right time. Also literally no one is stopping him from making music again now with his own money? He's obviously got charisma and a unique character, but it takes more than that to carry a music career and musically speaking he wasn't anything special. I just think it's shitty of him to act like he's being a big person and forgiving Akon for ruining his life, he obviously came out better for it. I found that scene where he was playing his music for Shane so awkward and I almost thought it was a joke because….the music wasn't that good or interesting or different from any of the shit on Myspace in 2008 but they're both acting like it was a crime that he denied the world of more of it.
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Yeah, exactly. I don't know Jeff's discography that well but in the song they played there he just sounded like he was trying to be an off-brand/auto-tuned Davey Havok. But AFI had a music career long before and after the emo/scene kid days, and Jeffree still ended up better off than them. I think if he tried to do music now it would just come off as same as any other youtubers that release songs because they have yes men around them telling them they're so talented and should DEFINITELY have a music career when really it's just subpar and only their fans like it.
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Does anyone else still find Jeffree to feel….extremely fake and manipulative? I know he's playing a character a lot of the time but I still don't know how he expects us to believe he went from
>I was always poor!!!
>I made this company with the only $3000 I had to my name
>Walmart???? Ew what's that??? I don't own anything that's not Gucci
>I don't know how much anything costs and I don't look at prices
In less than 4 years? (According to google his company launched in 2014, but who knows how long until he made a profit) I don't think you can cry about being poor your whole life and your mom sucking off drug dealers then also act like you've never been in a Walmart before. Even other "rags to riches" YouTubers (Tana, JennaMarbles, grav3yardgirl, etc) still worry about money and talk about how cheap they still are. And in the Walmart series on Jeffree's channel with Jeffree's cameraman & editors, he's suddenly a huge philanthropist
Part 1, 9:45 -
>Ugh don't make me talk about this on camera but I just so HAPPENED to donate $125,000 to the LGBT Center earlier today and these OTHER companies only donated $2000
Part 1, 16:10 -
>I just want to say to the camera if this Walmart employee gets in trouble for helping us I'll hire her at my company!!
(Which, why even make that promise because Walmart pays shit, she's probably disappointed that she didn't get a better job)
Part 2, 1:18 -
>Omg all this was only $200, I can't believe it!! What a deal!!
Part 2, 3:45 -
>Insists on paying the bill for a "fan's" whole table at Olive Garden because it's her birthday
I just get the vibe that he's very carefully curating his image here, and Shane's just naive and believes every word because he's sweet. He seems like the kind of boss who would say that the employees aren't at the warehouse because they don't want to be on camera and we respect that!! but really sent them home for an unpaid day off because he doesn't want them around. (Speculating of course, he just gives off that vibe)
I agree that he’s fake it is kind of his job to maintain an image, it’s just business. People like his Regina George with a heart of gold shit because people love feeling like someone so unattainable will reciprocate their support.>Shane's just naive and believes every word because he's sweet
Not really lol Shane’s doing the exact same thing, curating an image. Sperging out like he’s never seen a damn warehouse even though Jeffree runs literal whole ass companies… you can even see Jeffree looking at him like stfu multiple times. I’d let my employees have a day off too knowing dudes with cameras gonna run around screaming like little babies and getting in everyone’s way>Jeffree you should do this and that!!! Cuz it’s not like you’re already more successful than me and your channel is doing fine without muh unsolicited advice and shilling
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Is this…whole series just a buildup to them releasing a Shane Dawson palette? Yikes. I wonder how all the other million gurus would feel about Jeff giving Shane of all people a makeup line.
Also I know it's probably mostly a joke but Garrett is way too good and pure for Jeffree. Tbh I think Garrett and Andrew are too good for Shane too. (I do like that Jeff always says hello to Andrew though, I feel like even Shane barley acknowledges his existence)
i'm sorry but didn't shane make a two part video introducing andrew, saying he literally gave shane his mojo back because he's so skilled at editing?
you can also see that he invited andrew and ryland for fancy high tea to celebrate the success of the jefree series, saying "we did this" not I did this…
shanes not perfect by any means, but he seems to be really nice to his friends and to be working with andrew as a team at this point
Andrew is just Shane's hypeman and laugh track so we know the tea sis etc.
I like Ryland's editing I wish he would do more videos.
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in part 4 you catch a glimpse of molds for Too Faced (love flush) and Tarte blushes.
To be fair though these brands are in the same price range as Jeffree, so it's not like wetnwild and Jeffree's makeup are being made in the same factory.
Plus, the brands can still choose individually what quality products are being used.
No, you're right. I just meant that he's considered part of the "squad" but he never gets to be as involved in the shenanigans as everyone else. I think Andrew is delightful and just as funny as everyone else but he just gets pushed to the side because he's not Shane and Ryland being super extra or Morgan being ditzy. He's acknowledged for his work ethic, while everyone else in the "squad" gets to just be a personality essentially. Even in Shane's other series with guests none of them ever seem to acknowledge him as anything other than the camera, and Shane doesn't go out of his way to introduce him or anything. I just think it's nice that Jeff actually says hello and treats him the same as everyone else in the group.
I guess I just compare Andrew's role in Shane's videos to Andrew's role in Garrett's videos. I've watched Garrett's Coachella videos multiple times because I just think he and Andrew are so fun together, and you can tell Garrett just adores him. Garrett doesn't use him just as "Make sure everyone sees how funny I am!!!".>>660771
Doesn't he have beef with both of those companies though? Kek
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Big beats of the big emotional Shane convo and "giant bombshells" dropped by Jeffree is (Starts at 13:40ish)
>"So what I've never said before because I feel like if you try to defend something like…Racism or saying something really awful it just doesn't ever work out. But if you go and find the footage, the people I'm screaming at are caucasian. What I said was racist, but I wasn't saying it to a person of color. I was saying a horrible offensive word to cut back at someone calling me something awful. So it's not about race it's not about that, it's just about being an offensive, attention seeking, angry person."
>Shane shows clips of him doing offensive racist characters back in the day too
>"But you've apologized so many times!!"
>Shane says that he sees through all the petty tweets and drama to Jeffree's PAIN
>"People still think I'm the bad guy when I only loved and cared about all these people and boosted them and gave them all my connections and I'm still the fuckin bad guy"
>Says he tattooed his whole body to cover up from when he cut himself in highschool.
>Says multiple times that no one ever asked him WHY he was covering himself up and dressing like a goth in highschool
>Cutting was his huge secret that no one knew about
>Pulls down his pants and shows Shane scars on his legs
>Shane continues to praise him, "you're afraid to let people in!!"
>We hear Jeff sniffing loudly, but he's otherwise completely stonefaced the whole time.
>He's scared everyone's gonna backstab him
>More praising from Shane "everyone thinks you're so bougee but really you're just like us!!"
Nothing really surprising here. Jeffree seems to have a serious martyr complex and used to self-harm. "you misunderstood my racism! everyone treats me like a monster! but I only lash out because I'm really in pain!!!".
Tbh I don't even dislike Jeffree but trying to explain away his racist comments feels like a major backslide. He should have just left it at the apology video he made. Also he really bungled the whole "I came from nothing! I had to suck dicks to pay rent!" narrative when Shane tried to take him back to his "humble roots" and that turned out to be a multi-level 2 bedroom apartment with a loft and two balconies. I don't take self-harm lightly at all, but I just don't think it's that shocking of a reveal for anyone who lived through the Myspace scene queen aesthetic of "blood & razor blades & gloomy bear" everywhere. I also just think it's kind of a silly and immature notion for anyone to still be mad that other kids didn't notice notice their feelings, as if every single person in highschool isn't also going through their own self-absorbed puberty nightmare. Especially if your whole aesthetic even back then was to look as menacing and goth as possible. If I saw a goth kid with no eyebrows wearing head to toe black in highschool I would just think that's the style they're going for. How many people did Jeffree reach out to in highschool, huh? Also it's gross of them to go into another person's apartment and lay on their bed and talk about how much you fucked all over that same apartment. How long until Jeffree flips on the Shane gang for betraying him you reckon?
god I feel like a dick for thinking that but that whole part was so fake and obviously manipulative. the whole swelling music and somehow Shane never having seen self harm scars and armchair diagnosing and Jefree being like "ya" etc etc. I thought there would be some comments or a bigger dislike ratio bc it seemed so obviously transparent but apparently it's fine.
also he portrayed his old place as some literal shithole and maybe I'm too 3rd world but it seemed like a really nice flat? like really nice?
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Nah, I feel that way too. Everything was so clearly staged to be to cast him in the best light possible. Also lmao bitch hide what? We found out that the person who built a whole career off of being an emo kid….was an emo kid?! Literally he's bare chested and shows skin all the time in videos, it's not like it was stopping him.
NTA but I want to add to your comment that he usually targets women of color, and he uses racially charged slurs against them too.
The people at BGCr make me laugh so hard. They are so obsessed with Jeffree they will find any excuse to validate themselves liking him/purchasing his products. Just say you like him it’s ok, but don’t expect everyone to not think you support a racist/misogynist.
I feel like he's been trying to backpedal SO hard lately by shitting on companies that don't have a variety of darker foundation shades. It's definitely a problem in the makeup industry, but don't act like you care all of the sudden. It's like how he brags about his brand being CF, but then still buys/praises companies and products that aren't CF. If you really believe in CF why put money in the pockets of those companies? Why act like this is suddenly his hill to die on?
Also>I'm MEAN to people>Why do people think I'm mean??
is just so dumb.
OT, but why does shane dawson act like he's still poor all the time? It's clearly not just because jeffree has more money than him since does it in his other videos too.
Also, he needs to lose some weight. He's gonna end up gaining it all back.
I think it's just because he grew up a fat, relatively poor kid, and while he may not be poor anymore, he's still in the mindset?
Kind of like how sometimes someone who was fat and lost a lot of weight for whatever reason (puberty, becoming more active) still feel fat, even though they know, logically they aren't.
Oh don’t be fooled, that sub actually LOVES him and they are trying to justify liking him/buying his products without being labeled as racist.
Tbh, I don’t give a fuck if people want to buy his stuff, or express their love to JS. Just, don’t try to twist real events where he has been VERY racist and misogynistic so you won’t feel “guilty” supporting him.
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said, but also he just literally doesn't seem to ever buy anything. Like if you look at his videos he wears the same clothes every single day. He's not shy about how gross he is (wearing the same clothes everyday, not showering, not brushing his teeth). Seems like he only really buys Postmates and splurges on shit for his crew for videos. Even when he has a sponsored vid he uses the money for something crazy or donates it. (Bought a Jeep for that one guy, donated $30,000 to the Rescue where he got his second dog, etc).
Ryland and Morgan are the ones who are obsessed with Gucci and bougee shit. In the video where Ryland gets the G-Wagon Shane even says something like "I never spend money on myself because I have bills and people on my payroll and a mortgage, but you don't have any bills so you should do it!". So I would guess he's supporting Ryland and Morgan at the very least since they live with him, and probably his mom too. As well as paying Andrew for his work.
Didn’t you watch the series anon? Shane IS a ~beauty guru~ he’s going to have his own makeup line!
But yeah jokes aside I enjoy their videos just fine but the idea of being in a car with that many gross farty boys who only eat Chipoltle and don’t bathe makes me want to puke. I’d say I don’t know how Morgan puts up with it but she’s one of the grossest ones!
He's been on YT for years but he's never made money. His CPMs for adsense are shit and he's not brand/sponsor friendly.
Not only that, he started a company "Maker" with 2 other people that sold for 500 million, but he didn't get a single cent because he's dumbass.https://youtu.be/ut4rIGRJ-kU?t=30m7s
(he talks about Maker sellin for 500mil, not getting a cent, starts at 30:07)
Some other parts where he talks about not making much from adsensehttps://youtu.be/ut4rIGRJ-kU?t=17m2s
Starts at 17:02
JS and SD actually "collabing" to make a makeup palette, is anyone else bothered by this a little?
I get the initial idea was driven by filming documentary
and JS wants to do something nice for a friend
. But SD and Makeup? NO! I'm offended, actually.
Most of the time I feel that way about Garrett, but he really got under my skin after playing around in the lab. Especially after they even discussed the "rules" and was specifically asked not do do anything like that.
Idk it didn't sound that crazy or triggering
to me. These days literally anyone with money can hire a lab to launch a makeup product and a lot of them are Brand Themed (coca cola, crayola, marge simpson and even stuff like "Harry-potter-like" palettes and brushes) and they are successful (specially if the lab was good)
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I guess it depends on when Shane's was filmed, but I'm pretty sure Garrett's was well before all of that at least. He didn't seem like he really knew who Jeffree was, Ryland was the one who suggested he do him for the makeup video. This is the top comment on Garrett's. I couldn't find this original tweet because twitter's just flooded with people talking about how they want Garrett and Jeffree to fuck.>>661829
Yeah, it felt weird. Garrett truly seems like a very sweet silly guy, it felt like Jeffree was a child predator or something. Garrett seems to be attracted to more masculine men though, I don't think Jeffree would be his type.
He is actually cute but you have to take into consideration that any average man is put up as a "super hot" guy by youtube standards, not to mention Garret hangs around Shane, Ryland, Drew etc and they are all beneath Garret in terms of looks ngl if somebody were to rank them, Garret doesnt even act nor look straight compared to Shane for example who is the epitome of your average to ugly man who doesnt care about appearances (if you null out the obnoxious tripple double decker homo act hes put on in recent years) he is legit the straightest of them from appearances atleast.
Ryland lowkey gets under my skin since hes such a basic fag who tries
to be extra, One look at his channel with the thumbnails and music videos just cements how hard he tries to both work himself up to be a popular vloggy channel now that he has the resources, but he can't let go of his tackyness. Just like with most irrelevant people who gets with a youtuber, theres such an instant change and I just hope they all crash and burn with trisha & the rest cause honestly its all a big ball of cancer.
(also fml when will there be an apocalypse only targeted at the Viner immigrants who set up shop on YT)
Hmm 2 things stick out to me:
1) In "pt1" Andrew says he has never been to Jeffrey's house before, but we know he was over there with Garrett to shoot that makeup video
2) Jeffree acts like he has never met Garrett or Andrew before
Although, they could have all just been lying and putting on an act for some reason. I wouldn't put it past them. "Oh I just met J* and he let me cuddle with him on a dirty couch on the street, so humble, so normal"
Eh, those could go either way since apparently Garrett's video was filmed after the documentary, but what really fucks me up is SHANE acting like he had never met Jeffree before.
They have a collab from over a year ago reacting to hate videos but Shane in the documentary talks about how worried he was about filming with Jeffree in this documentary saying things like 'i didn't know if he was gonna judge me or if he was gonna be mean' telling him he had a whole different perception of him. As if it was the first time they had ever come face to face yet had collabed and clearly got along very well together in a year old video.
Not WKing but Most youtubers will say that filming one video with someone doesn’t mean you know them. In the video Shane even says he had been in the filming room and they reference that video multiple times. I mean he was probably there for like 4 hours. Not really long enough to get to know someone. >>662387
Eah Shane is probably “LA poor” but he’s said a few times he’s appreciative of what he has, he said something about “wearing rent” when he had that 2k hat on and 2-3k isnt too high for a house in the LA area.
Nta but I'm 99% sure he
doesn't rent unless he's talking about that other apartment he has. And since he's gone on 80 book tours, he has enough to postmate literally everything, his videos are starting to get monetized again, his merch is selling well, he had $10k to throw away on some random girl, etc. I doubt he's "LA poor"
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He is literally a leecher. Has been since the beginning. Piggybacking can be very successful when done correctly.
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Nah, all the "revolutionary" shit you're referring to existed in stage/theatrical makeup for decades already. It's not like he even made them more easily accessible to the public, because it all had to be ordered online anyways. That's a lot of what's so confusing to me about makeup trends these days. All of these "new" fads like contouring/highlighting, high coverage foundation, vast shade range etc have all existed for decades. My guess would be that since drag has become so much more main stream nowadays that that's why, and queens always used stage makeup out of necessity. It's the same as how phrases like "yas" or "tea" (as we now use it) have been super popular in recent years, but if you look at stuff like "Paris is Burning" or "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil" those phrases were being used in the drag community even back in the 80s/90s and probably earlier. TL;DR basically everything being sold as "revolutionary" is just stolen from and existed in the drag community for decades, including Jeffree's whole persona but the only difference is he's a millionaire off of it.
But back to the question at hand, it still takes time most small businesses YEARS to turn a profit. If a successful company was investing it's own money in it he would obviously have to prove that he was worth that investment or have someone vouch for him who already has an in (KVD says this was her). If he put in $3K and they put in $20K and it was a giant flop, that would be a giant loss for them and why would they take that risk? It's not like just because he put his "last $3K" in with an already successful company they would pay him a living wage until it was finished or they made money. His persona was basically the whole selling point, and since it was sold online it's not like you would see it at CVS and go "Oh, I remember Jeffree from myspace, I'll give that a shot". As far as I can tell he didn't even start being a "youtube beauty guru" until about 2 years ago. At that point of starting his company, he was just a washed up "singer" and myspace personality, so other than using KVD's help and "in" (which he denies completely) how DID his makeup line become so successful? $3K to multi millions in a essentially 4 years ( >>656139
) by someone who constantly starts shit with other companies and essentially claims "Yup it was all me and no one else helped!" is highly suspicious imo. And Shane's series did nothing to clear this up, all it did was give him more of a platform to brag about how mean everyone is to him but he prevailed. Same as >>656028
he just seems like he just blames everyone else and is completely ungrateful to whoever did help him along the way, even though he's now a multi-millionaire.
I swear yall haven't read any of this thread because you're just asking the same questions already discussed.
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Also samefag, but what does this even mean? Because someone has a pink car they're copying him? Christ what a narcissist. I don't know if it's the outfit or the pose or what, but this is just such an awkward unflattering picture. Also I might be an idiot but is it a good idea to post someone license plate number to your millions of followers?
Oh yeah, for sure, but if you look at his video responding to KVD he basically denies that anyone helped him. Now Shane's given him even more of platform for that narrative. >>663415>>663418
Ooh, thanks for the info. iirc Sugarpill is still pretty popular in the drag community, and everyone seems to love the creator, so that's nice. I do feel like that explains it quite a bit, I remember the whole Limecrime hacking controversy going down, I didn't realize that they jumped ship to Jeff because of that. Interesting.
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Also just to clarify, I'm not a KVD stan by any means. I think she's just as nuts.
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Not sure if this is the right thread to discuss this in or the Celebricow one (she is dating? Tana and sells all of Tana's shit on her website), but speaking of celebrity makeup brands Bella Thorne seems to be off to a terrible start.>"Filthy Fangs">$50-$60 palettes on her website with only 9 shades>Apparently they're complete ripoffs of a black owned beauty brand "Juvia’s Place" but at double the cost.https://jezebel.com/a-guide-to-bella-thornes-recent-transformation-into-mes-1828327012
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is this dumb bitch really trying to sell repackaged EOS lip balms with her name on it? lmao
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I can't keep up with all the Laura Lee / Jeffree Star / Gabriel Zamora shit, seems like it's just Oops! All Racists!
Jeffree just can't not start shit it seems. He really could have used Shane's exposure to be a better person. I'm counting down the days until he fips on Shane. It's only a matter of time.