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-It's Black Friday
-Toxic Tears + Jake Munro
-Kat von D
-Avelina de Moray
-and countless shillstar hauls
Last thread :
>Antivaxx KVD gives birth to Leafar
>Snowy Lowther no longer goff
>Sebastian still faking asexuality
>Adora still parties and whores out, posts Insta lewds, possibly slept with Coalcandy
>Bish0p enters the ring, claims you don't have to like goth music a la old Snowy
>IBF, TT and Jake are haul whore sellouts and some fans finally notice
>TT and Jake get £1k on a stream
>TT "can't" lose weight, finally works on attic, gets trapped under a hoard pile
>Jake deletes hate comments to "protect" fans, tries to profit from Stan Lee's death, dresses eDgY again, makes more bad music
>IBF possibly moving to Scotland
>IBF takes hiatus, returns with shit apology + reveals got kicked from Germany. Divorced visa husband Matthias, now pretends to be surprised when visa revoked.
>IBF claims to have "secret plans" she'll only tell patrons
>Drac Makens split with "super hot" native American bf
>Angela continues to jack off to the 90s
>Avelina tells person they aren't goff enough to buy her bags
>Erin still isn't punk
>Dre is still emo
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This thread is perfect!!
Anyway, lumpy is back to begging again. I would LOVE to know what they spend their money on. How does one beg for so much all the time?!
OP here. Thanks, first time making one.>>781162
Bet she browses daily and Tweets her finds to beg. Do her fans take the bait? I know some already buy stuff off her huge wish list.>>781164
Title is "toadstool makeup"? Thought it was salami or some shit
She must have filmed this AGES ago but she had the same makeup look in a video from several months ago. How lazy is she? WTF does she actually do with her time?>>781173
kek I thought it looked like a rash with pus filled warts to be honest
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Well Ibf replied
>I didn't get married to get a residency
Yeah, sure Jan
Ruadhán 1334 made a video about her (this one) and Ibf replied on that video.>>781241
It's still there, change the settings to "recent comments" and scroll down.
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it's still there. it doesn't have much interaction on it other than like 2 upvotes and his comment back to her, so it's not at the top. here's his response to her if anyone cares, kek.
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Does she not fucking realise that that tweet was for Manchester?!
In my opinion he's completely on point. Except for the part where he talks about her "maori neighbors" and "living on stolen land" I have no idea what he's talking about. if he's saying she's automatically racist for living in NZ then yeah he's fucking insane.>>781233
Okay, how long til she reports him, sends her legions of tween fans to come harass him and destroy his internet presence? There are already lots of new comments on his video from crazed fans insulting him without making any rational defense of her.
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Had to go check some more comments and they're hilarious.
He's shameless in his begging still.
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lmfao this is great! even randoms who have no idea who he is think he looks like a total prat.>>781310
fuck off jake. Bam was actually entertaining at least. What does Jake do, go do laundry? Holy shit send him the $300,000 NOW people!!
>>781233>I was cheated on
Owl and Nadia, or Matthias and someone else? The way its said, sounds like Matthias, but with who?
>didn't get married for residency >relationship was awful
If it was so awful why'd you marry him? Yep for fucking residency.>>781308
Jake needs to step out of his ass kissing fans bubble more often. He really does look bad. Kek I wonder if it was him who asked EMP to step in in the comments.
Matthias cheated on her ,the funny thing is everybody know it , except her , she just realized when it was to obvious, but it doesn't matter they are friends now, all the situation wass really weird , because he was the one who wanted to marry so quickly apparently, she of course accepted ,and he seemed very serious with the relationship at the beginning, he even took her to meet his family as soon as she moved to Germany , I believe they really do loved each other at the beginning of their relationship , but or course they didn't know each other at all.i don't really believe she planned marry him to stay in germany, otherwise she wouldn't get divorced and she could easily forgive him for cheating on her, or date another German guy to marry, she is just a very selfish person who does everything she wants and justify it be saying " you should do whatever makes you happy" because she cheated on Barnaby when she meet Matthias .
I read the blog post and the way she talks about this ex is the way she talks about Matthias. She moved to another country to be with him and he was emotionally abusive
and broke her trust.
She was defending her mother because I guess the ex from Scotland was saying that her mother interfered with his employment at an orchard. After IBF and Matthias broke up her mother was trashing him on his art page saying that she was going to make sure he'll never be able to show his face in the art community again. Her mother is known to do things like this.
can't unseen lol. she could've added a little mushroom to tie in with the inspiration.>>781308
semi rhetorical question but what's the deal with the finger in the mouth pose? the one on the bottom right is also super classy.>>781310
dude can't even make interesting vlogs on a regular basis, who in their right mind is going to give him $300k to show off his laundry, gym, eating and skating between bitching about how there's no scene and blahzy blah. the fucking delusion.
That's a lie , because even when she was married she still talked to Barnaby and Matthias knew, and they didn't break up because of that, he cheated on her , actually many people knew he will constantly talk to another women when she wasn't around,at first they where kinda in bad terms , but know they are "friends" >>781376
In her Tumblr someone ask her about her sexuality and she Said , she believes sex is important in a relationship because of closeness, but otherwise she conciders herself asexual , she also mention in her old vlog that her ex boyfriend used to think she was frigid because she didn't want to have sex with him, her mother even took her to a psychologist , who told her mother there was nothing wrong with her , she then says she didn't want to have sex with her exbf because she Wasn't attracted to him anymore ( because he was kinda an asshole) also she mentioned on her Tumblr that sometimes sex is painful to her because of her endyometrosis
He needs to show his tryhard painted teeth. Can't even be a tryhard right though, it's pretty sloppy, same with his painted hands.>>781411
A few anons have said IBF was msging owl and Matthias found out. Some also said Nadia found out. Where is this info from though?
If it's true I don't blame Matthias for cheating. I also wonder what mental gymnastics IBF gave her doormat to agree to this.
There is no info, it's a total rumor stated by an anon on the last thread who claimed that it was all part of some master plan to move Owl out to Germany, although like >>781346
said that plan doesn't even make sense.>>781329
she's talking about Matthias cheating on her, which her mom also said.
I'm guessing his comment about he Maori people are to the accusations of her being racist? I'm not sure but aside from that, he was pretty on-point and it's nice that someone isn't following for it. As for the inevitable legions of fans swarming him, if they can't properly refute him and only resort to "Lol you're ugly" or "lol you're jelly", he's going to be just fine because her sycophants probably deep down know IBF may have some secrets or things she doesn't want them to know.>>781298
He seems a bit unhinged at first but he did make a lot of fair points calling her out on certain things and I think writing someone off just because of how they look is kinda petty. >>781305
Same, like Angela it does seem like he experienced an eventful life and has some things of substance to share as opposed to another haul video. >>781395
Most of her fans are high school aged, normies, or mallgoths who never outgrew that trend who are not young adults and are the same people who say you can be goff without liking the music lol.
I agree, I quite like the guy and he's right about pretty much everything. The only negative comments are calling him ugly/fat/etc and that's just… well, we know when someone has to resort to personal attacks they have no argument, right? Like you say they can't even refute anything he says.
I'm unsure about IBF being racist? but supposedly a lot of people were complaining about immigrants in Germany in whichever video IBF moaned about her revoked residency. Also she has a video about lightening your skin which I never really paid much attention to at the time but seems pretty fucked up in hindsight
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Yeah some people use mental health as a cop out cos its harder for others to disprove. But hauling mountains of free Shillstar is not depression, that's laziness.
If she really wants to talk mental health, she could use her platform to do it positively (she has anxiety) but no.>>781557>YT wannabe>clothes all end up in the attic
Yep that's Jake. Kek people who don't even know him have sussed him out easy. Shows how delusional his fans are.
This is Facebook sjw level retarded.
If you have that argument, any form of body augmention is fucked up. Lip injections, implants, ect. go back to tumblr and have a cry about other people,you’ve never met, doing things with their body that has no impact on you. Has nothing to do with “defending” her.
Not the same annon but I whiten my skin and get my freckles removed (you can with laser).
Glorious! Some people are commenting on ToxicTubs too>>781661
She really said this?
You’re a moron and obviously are young. You can lighten your skin with laser and wearing sunscreen. You don’t need to use bleach to lighten.
Maybe you drink some though to end your stupidity?
And any sun exposure is worse for your skin, just fyi.
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What is this? And how does she insist she’s goth?
Skin lightening/tanning is common.
IBF apparently offended by dark skin is racist.
IBF painting herself clown white when she said in an old advice vid not to do that, is stupid.
She's had legit model experience but poses and dresses like this. She and Kelly Eden could be sisters.
And I think she just hangs onto the label cos she's used to it, and it got her known on YT like the what not to say to goths video.
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And see I think you may be right. It seems like she's only ever active if she's dating someone. It makes you wonder if she thinks she isn't an interesting person unless she's dating another Goth guy. I mean to be fair, seeing the kind of content she's made in the last year, it really showed just how vacuous and vapid she is since she never bothered trying to make content that wasn't about shilling clothing or makeup. Depression or not, you can still talk about things that aren't related to what clothing you bought. >>781516
Yep pretty much. The only flimsy thing he said was the racist thing but other than that, pretty on point. And if you can't even refute anything of what he said in the video and instead just resort to ad hominem insults of his appearance, that means you already lost.
> But hauling mountains of free Shillstar is not depression, that's laziness.
A little loud for everyone in the back lol Exactly. Even if you are suffering from depression, that doesn't mean you can't change content up a bit. >>781606
I'm curious though, wouldn't all that skin bleaching have some negative side effects? I can't imagine what she'll look like as she ages, probably like the reverse of what happens when someone over-tans (Reverse Tan mom lol) lol.>>781661
If she really did that, what a bitch thing to do.>>781693
The sad thing is that dark cute looks can work but she sucks so much at pairing things. >>781701
Honestly the only way I see her dropping the label is if some big YouTuber (or just a YouTuber who knows what they're doing and can be entertaining) puts her ass on blast about what a big poser she is. This kinda happened back in 2017 on Cemetery Confessions' podcast back when they did something called "Goth Inquisition" and there was one episode where they were talking about "Goth" YouTubers and they just went hard on her lol I think Kaya ended up seeing it and whinged about it on her Instagram or Twitter (can't remember).
What on earth are these two doing? Who pays for this? He now just looks like some bagged up mess!>>781711
Where was this with tt and cemetery confessions? I mean it really didn’t stop her or her leech from using the label and becoming youtube alternative adverts- I mean, goth adverts>>781712
“You don’t belong here!” - forgets to sage.
Yeh good one, dumb cunt
am I the only one who thinks he saw how popular social repose had gotten(for god knows what reason - ew) and tried to mash SR + Manson together?
it does not look good on him at all.
I showed this to my older sister who has no experience with any alternative subculture;
"she doesn't look like a goth? She looks like an idiot."(no1curr)
It's funny because she and so many other fakes push the whole "as long as you LOOK goth then you're goth" bullshit, but how does she explain this monstrosity of an outfit? "Oh, it's ok, goths are allowed to like other things and wear pink and…" sure, but for someone who bases goth on looking the part, honey this ain't it and you know it. I really
think she wants to branch out and wear pink and "kawaii" stuff all the time but then that means she'll likely lose subscribers/patrons and all those free clothes from Shillstar and witchy subscription boxes despite having absolutely no interest in it. She's never had any originality and just copies whatever is popular at the time, she probably wants to skin walk PeachMilkyTea and Kelly Eden kek. It's the same with Jake, first going for a Casey Neistat vibe with his boring videos and now copying MM and Social Emopose
Never occurred to me he goes outside like that. More =/= better, Jake. At least learn how to apply liquid latex before bathing in it. And where did you learn to coordinate outfits from, Kaya?>>781776
This. Snowy and Bishop said it an at least they do their own advice. Kaya rarely does now.
There's nothing wrong with dressing kawaii, stop forcing something you're not onto yourself. It's unhealthy.
I'm currently at work but I believe it was this video posted in 2017. I'm sorry I can't give you an exact time frame at the moment but maybe someone here may have seen the video and will be able to give an exact time stamp. All I remember was that it was during the "Goth Inquisition" segment. But you're right, it didn't stop her but it's just an example of people not afraid to call out her bullshit lol>>781736
Well what do ya know? Looks like some people do have sense. Sorry IBF, looks like you don't have as much grasp on people like you think you do, it's starting to weaken.>>781776
Then she should fucking wear Pink then. God this girl lol. Yeah she'll lose subscribers if she started being honest with herself but she can always start over and build a new audience that will like her for who she really is (LOL). It'd be better than living a lie lol.Jake is a lost cause who won't get the memo until he has a concert crash and burn. >>781793
At least Caligo is cute (well in my opinion) and can pull it off and seems to know how to do these looks tastefully lol. Jake just looks gross… Well I mean, that's probably the point but it's not gross in a cool way, more like a cringe way.
all the editing on this and gmhe doesn't notice the long, baggy layers make him look stumpy as fuck lol.
so he's apparently going to be putting out vids on a regular basis, can't wait to see what kind of ~content~ he comes out with before he slacks again.
yup, this time he wa busy with that music video and was all up himself b/c it got 10k views on facebook. couldn't suffer through him rambling about where the inspiration for the song came from, he's shit at storytelling and says he filmed it late at night so that's why he sounds tired. like, you don't have anything else to do, how hard is it to set aside some time to sit and talk to a camera.
anyway, there's another music video and trip to barcelona coming so i don't see him keeping up with a regular upload schedule.
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What even is this lipstick look? and those lip piercings?? bad all round
He shouldn't bother. His "vlahgs" are so boring, if you've seen one you've seen them all. People usually film interesting stuff, but Jake thinks he's
so interesting that daily chores are film-worthy.
Jake vlog shot game:>post office/laundry/gym>complaining>fake deep ramble about nothing>eating>plugging his band or patreon>"please subscribe please" kek>>782192
She's trying to copy Jake of course. His is worse.
lol she's so angry and her response is pathetic. She knows it's the opposite of what goth stands for to be so materialistic but she still does it because she can't be bothered to get a stable job.>>781245
Thank god he keeps calling her out. I don't understand why people think he's insane? He reminds me of Mikenactor a bit, I like him.
He comes off kinda insane cos of the random racism point and how he seems a bit overly triggered
But yeah it's good people are realising IBF's bullshit, he also called out TT (but in like one sentence).
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“This is one of my favorite pictures of myself” god she sounds so narcissistic in the video. And what’s with the one boob?
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Yeah and the way her mouth moves really doesn't help
I hate it. I like Dorian. But I hate this. I don’t agree at all. Toxic
tears isn’t goth plain and simple so she shouldn’t be in the gothic community at all. Black Friday’s attitude sucks. No one cares that she gets free clothes but all the whining and complaining and the really bad decision making is what is putting everyone off. She needs to get off her ass and work a stable job and stop leeching off of everyone.
How much you wanna bet it'll be more Haul videos? lol>>782244
I agree. I think people are just mad because someone actually put her on blast and is not backing down from it. No one has really called out IBF before so this is a first and not many of her fans know how to process this lol>>782266
Yeah it's really the Racist thing that has no merit unless there is something we're missing. And yeah, I wish he tore into TT a bit though it would've been out of place since the topic of the video was IBF. Kai Decadence kinda called her out too saying she's not a real Goth so I think more people know she's full of shit but just don't say anything.>>782281
This is probably the look Kaya secretly wants to sport lol>>782387
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who was bothered by this video. Dorian was way off base here thinking it all came down to jealousy and bitterness because IBF and TT get free clothes. Why can't a rant video just be a you know, RANT Video. Other than the Racist thing, he was pretty much on point and I'm glad he came off more aggressive and no nonsense because if he just kissed her ass, she wouldn't have even watched nor would she have seen that yes, people are literally getting tired of her bullshit.
As for Toxic
Tears, she's not "Goth" or even "Gothic". She just needs to get out and go to the Kawaii community that she so desperately wants to be in. That or actually take some off and actually get into Goth music to be a Goth or get to reading some Gothic Literature, Film, or look at some Gothic Artwork (Actual Gothic artwork, not dark artwork). The resources are all there.
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God, Dorian is such a kiss ass.
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Some ADVANCED fishing for compliments from kaya here.
That's true. I search for new Goth music to add to my collection every few days and I've come across a shit ton of Goth bands whom's videos hardly have any views (which sucks because a lot of these bands are damn good) but I also keep in mind that a lot of people who watch IBF's content aren't Goths but just "normies" passing by.
And eh… I dunno about that. Making hundreds of video hauls for Shillstar helps nothing, the brand isn't even Goth, it's just a bunch of Dark occult shit. Where's the Goth band memorabilia? lol Not even so much as Bauhaus or even The Cure shirts or bags lol. I get what you're though anon and it's fucking sad. But this is why I'm glad the dude made that video putting IBF in her place, she had it long coming. >>782438> LitaFaerie
So fucking what? She could've still done the DIY outfit when she got home and showed what she found and what she was going to do. LAZY ASS. And I wouldn't be calling her that if she had like a real job or something but she doesn't, she has all the time in the world compared to someone working or going to school. >>782439
Oh shut the fuck up you tard, if you really LOVED them so much, you'd actually spend your own money on it instead of subtly (kek) asking for handouts to "review" them. If she actually is buying this crap with her money, I'll retract but last I heard, she was getting sent this shit to review on her channel.
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Good thing there are still smart people in the comments
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Me: (continues eating popcorn)
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plenty of things about IBF are being discussed, this was a classic…. oh, no one is looking at me…. oh….. please bitch you always wanted people looking at you. that orange wig was an insult to not only non goths but was an embarrassment to people who've been in the scene for years. what a spectacle. where do we begin?
>>782469>IBF's non existent fundraising for the Sophie Lancaster foundation
When was that? Don't think we've talked about it.>>782359>YouTube spotlight featured me without asking, and 4chan descended
Same with this>>782475>someone linked me to lolcow
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It's so weird, he thinks he looks like Manson but he looks like this normie makeup youtuber I watch, makeupbyjaack.
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I think this was back during the Goths for Sophie calendar that was done back in 2017. I remember there was a stint going on where the director of the project didn't want to include IBF and Toxic
Tears in it and they got pissy about that. Then when one the calendar came out and people were sharing it around to spread the word of the organization, IBF didn't participate and it just seemed like a selfishness that she couldn't take a very short time (like 5 seconds) to tweet or mention the movement.
I mean yeah, she probably didn't want to do it because she wasn't included in it but as someone who supposedly cares much for the Alternative scene, you would think she would've put that aside to help the cause of one of the most infamous cases of being assaulted and killed for being Alternative.>>782540
I'm watching it right now and yeah, I'm not seeing her expand on his "good points".
Dorian made that mukbang style video lately where it was 1 in the morning and she was laughing (manically I thought) at her own story of how complicated it was to collect a pizza, and she then ate and talked about puking, opiates, heroin, how she hadn't taken her meds, more puking talk in bulimia mentions.. more drug talk. I know she's animated but I've never seen her quite so manic
In most of her vids I agree with her on certain things. I just wonder how well she is doing at the moment. Said she still has a sleep schedule of sleeping during the day and getting up at night. I thought she would've stopped that when she stopped the heavy drinking a while back?
If I'm right she's said any pronouns are fine
Let's check out together
2019 - 1994 = 2000 - 1994 + 19 = 6 + 19 = 5 + 20 = 25
Yes, seems so she is 25. She had birthday few days ago BTW.
>>782412>I'm not trying to sound mean but she looks really old, at least in this picture. she looks like a straight up porn milf. could be the way she does her makeup.
Strong makeup brings such associations, mainly because people who were in their late teens and early 20s in the '80s are at "milf age now" and many still follow at least partially the way makeup was done in the 80's.
But back then it was may young people were doing it, now it's the way of "the old folks" as they aged.
Many people my age also associate big teased hair on females with "mommies and grannies" mainly because we have seen them typically on women aged as our mothers and grandmothers who were or still are continuing to sport such hairstyles. It's in big part the matter of contextual perception, in some just highlighting of facial features that are typical for aged face.
Try watching movies from the '40s. You would probably add around 20 years to the age of most of youngest actors who were in their early 20s at the time just based on the way they dress.(blogposting)
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And for the last hashtag this might be what it's about. Don't know the date, found on google images (hence crap quality)
someone called her put in yt comments about not being honest that she is sent the box for review. i don't watch those vids so can't comment as to whether that's true, but she could have handled the criticism with a simple statement.>>782461>>782467>>782470>>782471
nice to see ppl bringing these things up in a constructive matter but they'll just whine about ~bullies~ b/c it's easier than making changes.>>782520
at least this dude can apply makeup instead of smearing everything and slapping on liquid latex.
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>here's how I put together an outfit video
So you're saying you put calculated thought into the awful combinations you post?
little advice - yes goths are closer nowadays (and possibly
smaller) than were years ago - yet do not extrapolate problems of the USA scene to whole globe - as it's hard to say that white supremacism is a problem among for example Indonesian or Japanese goths. Right? Also European post Soviet region goths differ a lot to the West both in regards of mainstream culture and goth subculture. Not like there are not common problems everywhere, but I personally find term "problems of the gothic scene™" to be problematic
because of how widespread goth is around the globe among nations where you hardly meet people of different skin color than yours and I don't mean white skin here. It's some form of indirect ignoring these scenes and claiming that only the fragment of the scene you are most familiar with is the most important and matters the most.
Agree. What happened with IBF was (is?) lightening in a bottle>>782811
I think you meant to reply to me, if so, point taken, you're right
ahh yes, post >>782811
was intended to be a replay to >>782800
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Im just watching her goth on a budget video and its funny people are leaving comments like this when its the exact opposite of what she does in this video. Well I guess she was being honest about her own feelings? Kinda awkward as kat blaque is in the comments section too lol.
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I didn't mean how much makeup she was wearing, but rather HOW she does her makeup. "Strong makeup" could mean a lot of different looks. for example, you wear a ton of makeup and have it look like you're not wearing very much at all, it depends on how you do it. I just mean the way she puts on her makeup gives her that stretched out botox look. >>782581
I don't know exactly what you mean about "mature" but I watch a lot of youtubers who are 25-30 and they certainly don't look as old as she looks in those pictures
Kat Blaque has gotten on the Goff train because she's been going to Industrial clubs and thinks liking that stuff while dressing i black is making her Goth lol. I wouldn't think much of it because if she doesn't get into actual Goth music and people don't consider her a real Goth, she'll just complain about it and move on to something. >>782871
Maybe it's the way she does her eye makeup that seems to be distracting?
It could be sarcasm. But yeah Dorian's advice to plus size people was basically just "lost weight">>782864>goddard
could that maybe be Jake's real last name? also what is puncuation>>782877
Yeah, I think it's the eye makeup.
>>782885>It could be sarcasm. But yeah Dorian's advice to plus size people was basically just "lost weight"
Let's be serious - what have you expected? Advice to everybody else to gain weight so XXXL would become the norm?
What's wrong with advice to someone on loosing weight here? If you can't fit in regular clothing range - then you should seriously think what to do with that fact sooner or later. Even (European) alt brands offer size range that allows lover levels of obesity.
So if you can't fit into clothing because of amount of your body's fat reserves you are on serious health risk. Telling that is way better than telling someone who is having this body fat level that it's perfectly sane to leave things as they are.
If you are way taller or more muscular/athletic (you do a lot of weightlifting or other sports) than average people and within sane body fat level it's a whole different story. You can be even anorexic and find almost zero clothing with height around 7 feet. But let's be honest - it's unlikely that it's what was meant in the video.
everyone knows being morbidly obese is unhealthy. however, losing that amount of weight can take months, even years to lose. that doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to wear clothes that they like in the meantime.
also it's kind of shitty to bring it up and then just be like "the solution is to lose weight". like, no shit? if that's dorian's best advice then they should have just not addressed it.
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Goddard is Jake's real surname. In one of the Japan vlogs someone is holding a sign with his full name. he received this comment too kek
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>>782753>at least this dude can apply makeup instead of smearing everything and slapping on liquid latex.
and heeeere we are having this conversation agaaaaain….
koz u 'no alt iz all bout purfekt meyka', u aint alt if ya smear fingz or yer aylayna iz not strayt
She probably thinks bdsm is goth tbh she has at least 4 recent videos on it. kek are we gonna have to ad her to the list of alt cows now? She seems to be trying to jump ship like sh0eonhead is.>>782893
I agree, especially given the weird tangent she went off on in the video.>>782895>It's not like someone was called an inferior lesser human being here.
kek someone didnt watch the video.
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Quick google search already yields stuff, she's getting into the clothes. Clubs too, but also for clothes apparently. Wonder how it started.
She thinks the matrix is goth lol (no shade I love the matrix but its not really goth)
>Clubs too, but also for clothes apparently. Wonder how it started.
Shes trying to distance herself from her "woke, sjw" past. This maybe
to do with the blowback from the transracial debate, despite it being like 3 years ago shes done many follow ups on it and seems tired about opening a can of worms.
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exactly, i think some anons just want to reeee about poking fun at their makeup. it's not a personal attack on the entirety of alternative ppl, just laughing at particular individuals who also have shitty attitudes while trying so hard to suit themselves to labels.
anyway, is this a reference to her being posted here?>who has time to care about whatever nonsense they're whining about
why you tweeting about it then?
>>782992>kek someone didnt watch the video.
Yes, I watched it with eyes wide shut and ears plugged with bee-wax.So time stamp please. Thank you in advance for helping me overcome my mental disabilities.>>783000
I just simply see it as extending lack of sympathy for his action on literally everything he do. Possibly even the way he eats his cereals.
There's only one part where she talks about it-surely if you watched the video you don't need a timestamp sperge-chan. Also >>782893
already outlined it.
>Thank you in advance for helping me overcome my mental disabilities.
kek, sarcasm only works when its not true anon. You're a lost cause,thanks for the laugh though.
I get what you're saying anon and I agree. A lot of alternative brands already go up to sizes like "4XL / XXXXL" and if you still can't fit in sizes like that then it's absolutely time to make a change or learn to DIY the clothes that do fit you. It's not the responsibility of a company to cater to extreme sizes that surpass even a big size like 4XL.
Sometimes people need a wake up call. It's like those fat activist who complained about how Plane seating and how they couldn't fit in the seats and were demanding they make them bigger and it's like, are you serious? The plus size clothing thing is no different because even if these companies would try to accommodate morbid obesity sizes, they would most likely charge more for it because of the extra materials and time that need to go into mass producing them.>>782992>She probably thinks bdsm is goth tbh she has at least 4 recent videos on it. kek are we gonna have to ad her to the list of alt cows now? She seems to be trying to jump ship like sh0eonhead is.
I have a feeling you're right about this LOL She probably does think BDSM is Goth and she's going to be in for a rude awakening if she actually doesn't bother getting into what Goth actally is about and she becomes Toxic
Tears 3.0 (2.0 is Dre Ronanye lol).>>782996
And so it begins…>>782999>Matrix
Matrix is really just Cyberpunk, not Goth.
As for her trying to get away from the SJW stuff, I mean cool for her but if she doesn't actually educate herself on Goth and does what so many of these other people like Toxic
Tears, Dre Ronanye, and Hello Batty do, she's going to be in for a bad time. >>783000>Who has time to care about whatever nonsense they're whining about
Obviously you do. She honestly thinks most of us spend all our day on this site and don't have real lives outside this place? Maybe for her considering she has no job nor does she go to school and just lounges about all day but that doesn't really apply to the people here. It only takes like a few seconds to a minute or 5 to read and post a comment on the board.
Yes, being overweight (even few kg) is something that should provoke sane actions leading to losing excess fat. Since when is that sentence untrue? Or what is your problem here? Ask your doctor, they would recommend the same as Dorian did - losing weight. Why is that so problematic
suddenly? No one is promoting anorexia so far or something going counter medical-science. Heck, even alt-medicine would recommend the same.
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Tbh the video was useless and just an excuse for herbs to prance about. The comment section is better for recommendations, this is just a sample but there were loads more with links etc for finding goth for all types of people.
It just seemed like herbs did this to seperate himself from the itsblackfriday/toxic
tears drama and kind of one up them but it just came across as disingenuous as more recent comments are starting to call him out. A real shame because I did like him.
Ok, now i get it. you folks are just triggered
by weight issues. Isn't it?(>gets banned for anachan posting, continues IMMEDIATLY when the ban expires)
Because when you simplify it like that, "you overweight? lose it!" you suddenly force people into this tight spectrum of weight that is deemed "healthy" and that's how eating disorders begin, and then they end up weighing the grams they gained and counting calories to keep the weight the way it is, and lose the "excess".
The world does not revolve around the bodies that are deemed "good" and everyone else bad. The doctors and blood tests will tell someone if their body can cope with the extra weight.
The truth of the matter is that Dorian is NOT the person to talk about plus size clothing, especially in Goth, where it can be harder to find nice outfits. And what sucks is that there are very few plus size alternative people who at least discuss clothing because you don't need to be a certain body type to discuss music and bands.
Anyway, man I dislike Kat Blaque. I feel like she is the uber aggressive feminist that makes you shake your head and cringe. In an old video about blackface I said that I wanted to cosplay a tan character but I don't tan anymore (and don't want to put my skin through tanning for a cosplay) and asked if it would still be blackface to wear tan foundation/fake tan and she almost executed me in the comments. I am weirded out by her recent obsession with BDSM and the goth stuff. People usually dabble in aesthetics and subcultures when they are 15, not 28, yikes.
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lol savage. I love how she destroyed her remaining reputation by being a dumb anti-vax activist instead of keeping her bs to herself.>>783190
Do you really think the goff queen takes a bus?
If Kaya's fans can find lolcow pretty easily, so could she. More than likely she googles her name sometimes, and it's been speculated she lurks. So why is she posting this now? Why is she posting it at all if she used to be active on PULL?>>783195
Yeah how dare someone suggest Kat takes the peasant wagon? Imagine her trying to just fit that down the street though kek.
Uuuuuuuh why is Jake trying to be more like Social Repose, a known dickhead and abuser
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lol I'm getting serious adorabatbrat vibes, but maybe she was always like this?
I wonder what would happen if someone actually publicly called her out on this? I'm pretty sure most of her fans don't know what "PULL" is so they'd probably be lost until someone explains it and they do some digging. >>783090
I haven't watched the video to be honest but if that's what she was saying (overweight in general) then okay, I retract.>>783096>No one is promoting anorexia
Exactly. If people were, people like Eugenia Cooney would be celebrated and revered as "ideal" but she isn't and she gets just as much criticism as someone like Amberlyn Reid.>>783109
To be fair, this comment did highlight what I suggested (altering clothes o your own) so at least there are people who do this or at least know they can.>>783172>especially in Goth, where it can be harder to find nice outfits.
Say what? How? You do know that most Goths, especially back in the 80s didn't buy pre-packaged Goff clothing, they made their outfits on their own with the help of cheap clothing you could find anywhere and go from there. Accessories were the key component to giving that dark flair to something that appeared basic. I get what you're saying but it's not the end of the world if you can't afford the expensive clothing.
>Anyway, man I dislike Kat Blaque. I feel like she is the uber aggressive feminist that makes you shake your head and cringe. In an old video about blackface I said that I wanted to cosplay a tan character but I don't tan anymore (and don't want to put my skin through tanning for a cosplay) and asked if it would still be blackface to wear tan foundation/fake tan and she almost executed me in the comments. I am weirded out by her recent obsession with BDSM and the goth stuff. People usually dabble in aesthetics and subcultures when they are 15, not 28, yikes.
Well what do you expect? She's an SJW and most of them are insufferable lol. And Goth stuff? Yeah no. She hasn't exhibited anything of Goth to be honest, just BDSM. Until she starts talking about her discovery with some Goth music (acual Goth music) will I ever personally go "Yeah, she seems to be doing some digging into the Goth scene". I think she's only doing this ever since she started being open about her polyamory and follow her kinks. I eally hope she's not jumping onto the Goths are kinky stereotype because if she's actually linking Goth and BDSM as the same, oh dear… >>783197
Maybe she's lurking because her name has been dragged in the recent IBF drama, many people calling her out as a poser and she wants to see what others are saying lol>>783199
Because Social Repose has left Youtube (supposedly) and Jake is thinking he'll be the next Social Repose. I mean why not? Both are shitty people and make shit music. Why not?
I'm anon that mentioned goth outfits, and where I live, "goth clothes" as in, stores that cater to alternative tastes, are SO overpriced. They import everything and charge a ridiculous markup. Now yeah, you can order clothes from the internet, but it depends where from due to customs, and will it even fit? And as much as I enjoy a good band tee, I'm sick of stiff unisex tees with no shape. Two of my prized possessions are two Metallica clothes, a Master of Puppets soft slouchie hoodie from H&M and a black album soft cotton tee that's actually designed and cut for a female shape. It's so comfortable and flattering. 10/10 would not exchange.
I just shop around at "normie" stores and buy the black pieces. A lot of women in my country who are alt just buy black regular clothes and wear accessories. The fancier, decorative outfits are reserved to those with the money to afford them. Surefire way to spot a summer goth where I live is long black simple cotton dress, black sandals and ruby red or pitch black hair. Usually with an ankh necklace or a choker.
Unsure if it's cultural but here we have a really understated goth mentality. Piercings and coloured hair aren't necessarily indicators anymore. Rock radio stations are popular, and black is a super popular color regardless of your style.
Apologies for blogposting I just find it interesting how various countries or cultures tackle the alternative styles especially on a daily basis and not when you're at a goth club.(blogpost)
What bothers me about 'herbs' is that she often acts like she has some sort of wisdom in her vids. This is a 35 year old who still lives at home and has no day job? She must have the most enabling mother on earth.
She has gone through a series of addictions and obsessions and she never really recovers from any of them because she has no real responsibilities in life. She can drink heavily, do whatever drugs she's currently on, choose to be nocturnal, and she always has the security of living at her moms. She has no idea what being an adult is like.
Most 35 year olds have rent/a mortgage, a job, bills and have to run a house. And at 35 most people have had those things for 15 years already.
wow, I didn't know she was jobless, but yeah I agree with "often acts like she has some sort of wisdom in her vids." She does come off as an elitist now which is a bit of a contrast to some of her old videos.
Also shes apparently trying to lose another 20lbs. I remember seeing in an old thread but can't remember saying she would rather die than be fat, is she really over her disorders?
She makes no secret of the fact that she sleeps all day and rarely leaves the house so she can't possibly be working?
She goes in circles with these destructive behaviours, it's not long since she was drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels every night. She only stopped that because it was causing her to gain weight! Not because she wanted to live a productive life..
Imagine living in a house with your mid-thirties child that stays up drinking all night.
And who can afford a full size bottle of JD every single day when they are jobless? I think there's alot of enabling going on at home
It kind of looks like pro ana progress…
They have said they were in a pro ana websites and brags about her old extreme skinny photos are still shared in pro ana forums
she has said that she was diagnosed with aspergers
of course that doesn't excuse her of not taking responsibility and be an adult
I'm aware of the aspergers and wonder if maybe that's how she gets away with it?
Cos most parents wouldn't put up with that 'live in your house and sleep all day, drink all night' lifestyle
Man, I REALLY wish someone would have taken screencaps of her fat shaming on PULL. >>783059>Dre is Toxic Tears 2.0
At least Dre knows how to dress herself.>>782862
Wow I feel kinda bad for Jake now, his mum sounds like a sociopath.
i saw dre tweet about trasha payta and "love when [she] cosbounds" so fuck her.>>783386
of course she denies, can't let ppl know she was one of those losers with no life talking shit on the internet, then she couldn't whine about comments on her for asspats.
Yeah in a way, she's like Chris Chan only not as insane or mentally inhibited. honestly the only real advice I could see her giving is about drug addiction but anything else and it's a bit of a stretch. >>783254
That's interesting though for me, seeing someone dressed in black and having pitch black or red hair is really not enough for me to determine if the person is Goth or just simply darkly-inclined. I guess I've bee let down too many times whenever I saw people like this around and when I'd ask them about Goth music, they wouldn't know any of the bands I mentioned but certainly knew the cliche Industrial stuff lol. But that's just me haha.>>783307
I feel like maybe Dorian has some sort of side job maybe? Like maybe she edits documents for people on the side or something to earn a bit of spending money and she wastes it on her booze. >>783309
Agreed. As someone who does suffer from autism, it's definitely not easy to deal with and my job is very customer service oriented so it can really drain me but we just gotta try to work through it. But I could forgive all of that if she actually did something? Even something as simple as freelance, it's better than lounging about and sleeping all day. With her DIY skills, she could easily start an indie clothing shop and sell some DIY clothing.>>783357
Oh okay lol Nevermind then. Well whatever the case, are her posts still even on that site? >>783368
LMAO Point taken.>>783386
Eh that's what these people tend to do. Cover up and deny their pasts. I hear Shoe0nHead does the same thing covering her tracks.
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She either changed it or deleted it. Do you remember what/who she posted about?
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Kaya's no saint
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when you are the moon
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I remembr back when TT was a PULLfag, she was OBSESSED with Human Barbie Valeria Lukyanova
Read your old fat shaming posts Kaya, you're fat because you're stupid
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kek! also spotted this while attempting to find any of jake's old fat shaming posts. old but gold.
I love how the person said the "hater" had "vile tiny boobs" when kaya herself always had tiny breasts. Nowadays with her awful figure + awfully cut clothes + never wearing a bra she has what I would actually call "vile tiny boobs", they look kinda gross as if she is an overgrown 12 year old whose breasts are just starting to show, looking like two tiny fat lumps that haven't got a breast shape yet, different from a adult woman's small breasts. I thought these were gross even when I had them myself hahahah
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Adora's been with Sireplague again.
Got any milk on those two?
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So they're that desperate to do 'their job ' when their internet was down…
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does anyone know where Jake used to work?
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how is it that Kaya used to be able to mix goth and cute styles together but completely fails now.
I think she looks lovely here
(sorry for picture dump..going through Jake's tumblr, back when he was actually attracted to Kaya)
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I bet he can't do that anymore
This actually looked pretty good, especially in comparison to her appearance nowadays. It had a sort of gothic faerie aesthetic.
Nowadays, she literally looks like the sort of person who would make fun of her on PULL but also skinwalk her at the same time. >>783688
would post about how >>783690
"isn't that pretty and is kind of a poser and a snowflake?? idk just my two cents".
A+ anon. We need more memes in these threads>>783689
Looks like a call center or do you ask for the specific company?
On her Instagram she's been visiting Sireplague's sisters birthday party. That's kind of serious :O
Bit young, ey…
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Yeah both him and kaya did call centres, probs cos they got to sit down. Don't know if both did the same one. Kaya did British Gas.>>783703
I think it's also:
-she likes pastel and not goff anymore. >>783690
this is creepy cute and works. Most of her goff outfits work. But she wears pastel with goff forced on cos she fears losing subs and maybe Jake. Pic related.
-in denial of weight cos of her fat shaming. She needs to accept her new body/face type. For someone who modelled and did this >>783479
, how did she get here?
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The chubby face paired with the hat makes him look like the lovechild of Billy Corgan and Joji Grey.
Kaya also worked at paypal at one point, and it paid pretty well. I think that was the job she had that she said was making her miserable and quit. She never said why it made her miserable though. I think that might have also been where she met John.>>783742
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… LOL This… Is just too perfect.>>783690
Goth isn't the word that comes to mind when I see this but yes I will agree she actually looked good here. Not sure why she sucks styling herself now but part of the problem is because she doesn't or won't dress for her size. >>783703
Pretty much all this. It's the weight gain especially that totally destroys her look she's trying to shoot for. Her potato shaped face especially. >>783724
See as tacky as the outfit on the right is, I feel like it could possibly work if she actually were thinner. She has not body shape at all and it just… Looks unflattering. And she got there because she got complacent once she got with Jake lol>>783727
Yeah and now they're swarming Ruadhal's video with the downvotes lol.>>783770
Didn't she also work at Sephora? (Or some store)?
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This is not milk, but Kat Von D released a new eye shadow palette obnoxiously called vegan, with equally obnoxious shade names to match. To quote a comment on themakeupnews Instagram:
"ughh polio never looked so pigmented".
i know she just had her goth vegan baby but did she even try with this? none of the shads really stand out and seems like they could be found elsewhere.>>784019
rme so hard when she said she wanted a space to relax from "work". it's not that hard to film/edit videos, especially when you choose to do it. also, idk if she's always said this at the end, but when she was talking about patreon, she mentioned it's a way to tip creators for the content they create, lol. i thought the point was to reward ppl, but she's only got the one [discord chat, whoopdedoo] and doesn't seem to offer anything special for the page, just the same vids that are already posted on youtube.
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Such a self-important cunt. Boo hoo feel bad for me I have dental pain because my hygiene is awful. Dont look at the loser having a seizure, Pay attention to me!!!
He boils my piss.
how much of a narcissist do you have to be to try and down-play a woman's seizures.
(and i mean maybe go see a dentist earlier???)
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Oh so since Germany kicked her out, it’s now a shitty place?
But never mind the poor woman having a seizure, MAH TOOF ACHES! What a waste of oxygen he is.
Replace seizure with "stabbed" or "shot"
>this woman came in bleeding all over the place from being stabbed multiple times and collapsed in the waiting room (she was fine), I had to wait an hour for her to regain consciousness (again, she was fine)
when she says she lies on the ground of her attic and watched netflix all I can imagine is a beached whale.
she has a sitting room with a couch and a bedroom but she'd rather lie on her dirty cold floor
I wonder how he paid for that root canal?
do they get free dental in N Ireland because it can cost up to 600 euros for one of those in the republic of ireland
Omg lol! I thought you were making these things up because that's like an exaggerated list of things she begs for from time to time. My ESL ass also didn't know you call these bags to sit on "bean bag" so I thought of an actual bag of beans.
Sometimes I wonder if the begging is more subconscious with her because all she thinks of are materialistic things so of course she talks about them.>>784043
Jake is such an entitled idiot. I got a root canal myself when I was younger and it takes a long ass time for the pain to become so bad that you can't take it anymore. It's his own fault for not going to the dentist earlier. I'm actually surprised that this is a case for an emergency and that he got the surgery so quickly.
Not sure, but here in the UK there are training hospitals where you can get treated for free if you can't afford a dentist.You just have to wait hours.
Although dental care is free if you're on benefits so….
I reckon if he had to pay he would have moaned about it by now
Kaya: I need to save for Japan but it's so hard
I want a big beanbag chair
I want new eye shadow palettes
we're going out to eat and then frozen yogurt and then we're going to a bar
Her entire video was her talking about what she wants, she's actually worse than kelly eden
it's absolutely hilarious how he plays it up. i know people think root canal treatments are made of PAIN AND SUFFERING but this mentality doesn't really help anyone. take care of your teeth and seek treatment immediately when something feels off. it doesn't even need to hurt to call an appointment.
it's not a toothpick Jake you absolute wiener and they defo didn't drill into your skull. it's called a file, it stops in the apex, and your face is rotten.
Jake and Kaya probably don't go to the dentist cause its not free when you're not a child lol
City hospital in belfast is notorious for wait times, well the whole NHS is in a state, of course someone having seizures is more important than the chubby goth holding his fucking cheek.
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Sireplague posted another picture of him and Adora on his Instagram.
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No Kaya we don't, because you're too scared to talk about the music and would rather create and share pop music playlists instead
>>784043>woman having seizure and being wheeled out in a wheelchair
This dickhead:>uuugh how inconvenient for me!!!!
I hope Kaya splits with him long before this insensitivity becomes an issue. Can you imagine her giving birth or something and him whining in a corner somewhere that it's taking too long
oops, meant to post that as a reply to >>784316
Thank goodness they decided not to procreate then.>>784311
It’s really rich for her to condemn “online bullying” when she used to gatekeep as well. So she gained empathy since she got fat? I think not. Most “hate” comments about her is about whining, e-begging, and scamming her fans anyway not just her lack of appreciating goth music.
I decided to take one for the team and watch it at 1.5 speed and it still seemed like it'd never end:
-She said she's going to try growing mushrooms for some reason (???) but now now, takes ages to actually start the video ("I'm at my limit" "Don't comment if you're going to hurt my feelings uwu" etc)
-Says she hates drama, drama forums, drama videos, etc "It's all trash" "I spend so much time avoiding this stuff, I don't want to know" (fucking hypocrite, we all know you were on PULL 1.0)
-"Unboxing videos and hauls are sent to me by the brands, that's not something I'm trying to hide, I'm not being sneaky about it"
-"I'm turning down companies about things I like because they wouldn't fit into the channel, because people would be nasty about it"
-"You don't have to watch haul/ unboxing videos if you don't like them!!!1!""They're either for the purpose of reviewing or for inspiring people, leave people alone if you don't like them!"
-"There's no right or wrong way [to be goth], there's never being one single way to do it" "I don't care if you think I'm goth or not, do you even know what music I listen to on a daily basis?" "This is not a channel about goth, about a directory of bands etc." "YES, I do like listening to goth music, yes, I generally identify as a goth, but I don't HAVE to share every interest I have on this channel or educate people about goth"
-Randomly talks about reviewing albums and how she can't do that because she knows nothing about music terms, "I'm not a musically minded person"
-"I like the music but I can't actively participate in it, while I can in fashion, I can put together outfits or modify clothes" KEK
-"Have you seen me? Half the time I'm dressed in pink frilly stuff, I can't tell you ~how to be goth ~"
-"I'm being made to feel like a bad person because I receive stuff I like"
-Stresseds that she hasn't
seen any videos or anything
critical about her it's just "comments being sent her way"
-"I can't believe people have never met me but hate me just because I make videos online"
-"I'm trying to self improve and be better, but the nastiest comments come from the goth scene, it's toxic
" "Kids come to me for advice not knowing what to do because people are being dicks to them" "You don't KNOW where someone is mentally! People may even kill themselves!"
Fuck me, this got really long.
Smh she will never understand, will she? She clearly doesn't like the music. We all know her favourite music is pop and probably some emo or metal. Liking a couple of songs by SoM doesn't a goth make, Kaya. She's admitted several times she doesn't like the music and didn't recognise some well known goth bands in her stupid "What kind of goth am I?" video or whatever it was.
>I like goth music!>I don't have to make videos about the music!>I make videos about things I like!
Exactly. She was probably calling Ruadhan all sorts while watching the video, but tries to put on this act that she's sweet and wouldn't say a bad word about anyone. Her old PULL posts, her blog posts and the way she interacts with anyone who criticises her on her social media shows she is nothing like the "Hello lovelies!" facade would imply. She's just fake through and through. She also said she gets "young goths" coming to her for help because "older goths" have been nasty saying they can't be goth. This is either a straight up lie, or the "older goth" just simply said they can't be goth without liking the music.
I really wish we had screenshots from Kaya's PULL days. she's such a hypocrite it's hilarious
>Say she hates drama, drama videos AND DRAMA WEBSISTES AND FORUMS>apparently there's some drama youtube videos about Kaya?? >talks about her unboxing videos getting a lot of hate>complains all the time about no companies want to work with her because she's a goff and then admits that she turns down a lot of opportunities>puts off doing unboxing videos because she's afraid people will be mean to her>spends a couple minutes defending herself that she's goth, explains that she never talks about goth music because her channel isn't about goth things (????)>"you don't have to have a skill to participate in fashion"
yeah you have no skill at all when it comes to fashion Kaya.
I had really bad tooth pain once (had to have my tooth pulled) and it was the worst pain I've ever felt in my life, it made my neck and ear hurt and I cried from the pain. But if someone were to have had a seizure in front of me I would still acknowledge that their problem is more urgent. The thing I don't get is, why does he post stuff like this on the internet for everyone to see? He has to know it's going to make him look like an ass. You keep thoughts like that to yourself, boi.
He is human trash. I can't believe I used to be a patron on patreon and bought his shitty album on iTunes. The irony is that in the past he has complained about Emilie Autumn & Alissa White-Gluz being assholes/entitles and asking why Emilie has fans when the truth is he's no better than they are. Oh yeah, and he called Alissa arrogant.
Hello pot, meet kettle
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Lately IBF has been going around on Twitter liking tweets like these. All the tweets she’s liked never once mention that goth is formed from music, not clothes. Yet everyone seems to rant on about clothes. Think someone’s a bit butt hurt about what goth is.
Still, why doesn’t she and others call themselves gothic? Gothic is different from goth
Agreed OP. She's just ass hurt that once her sham marriage fell apart, the German immigration council was not going to give her an exception to stay in their country because contrary to what she thinks, she's not a celebrity and must follow the rules just like any other person.>>784141> this woman came in bleeding all over the place from being stabbed multiple times and collapsed in the waiting room (she was fine), I had to wait an hour for her to regain consciousness (again, she was fine)
Kek too good.>>784166
I would think her fans have some sense if none of them have bought them these things and she keeps bringing it up. >>784287
Tell it OP, Tell it lol. Kaya is such a dumb bitch, people are catching onto her BS and more people are starting to call her out on it. She knows she doesn't listen to Goth music, she never talks about it. With all the free time she had, she would've by now but she hasn't because she doesn't like it but oh wait, she has time to gossip and dish about pop music instead. Gimme a break you fat poseur. >>784329
And Kaya won't leave him because she's a boring person with no personality, tangible aspirations, or a life. As bad as Jake is, they deserve each other to be honest. I used to feel sorry for Kaya but the more I learned of her, the more I started to feel less sorry for her. >>784331> >references Ruadhan's video and responds to what he said about her, while claiming to have never watched the video
Just fucking say it. You watched the video. Stop playing stupid, it's insulting to your fans lol.
> claims to listen to Goth music
LOL Oh and I'm sure she name dropped a few bands that she listens to?
> claims the Goth community is "toxic"
Oh honey, it's not toxic
, it's just that they don't put up with poser behavior. It's one thing if you're a newbie who's trying to get into it, there are plenty of people out there who will lend a helping hand but if you exhibit that you aren't interested in the music and care more about looking spoopy, they will call it out for what it actually is.>>784336
Thanks OP. Is she really this dense? The victimhood complex is strong with this glutton for punishment. The hate she gets is not just for being a poser but being a big complainer who won't take the initiative to better her life and instead, expects to be catered to without putting in the work for it. >>784337> "This is not a channel about goth, about a directory of bands etc." "YES, I do like listening to goth music, yes, I generally identify as a goth, but I don't HAVE to share every interest I have on this channel or educate people about goth"
She needs to shut that hole in her face when it comes to this. No one is saying that she has to make videos on these things but it's the fact that before she came out saying she doesn't enjoy Goth music in 2016, she would always dance around it whenever someone asked about what music she liked. Then she backtracked and said she doesn't like talking about the music because "Elitists will come for me uwu" but the truth of the matter is that if she actually named actual Goth bands (Goth, not Industrial or Metal), she would be just fine and elitists would not be coming for her.
The fact that she can gush on and on about 90s pop music and other non goth bands yet can't even spend at least 3 minutes talking about Goth music tells us everything we need to know. >>784339>I like goth music!>I don't have to make videos about the music!>I make videos about things I like!
And it's stupid because you don't need to be a music whiz to talk about music you supposedly like. Angela Benedict talks about the music without going into full detail of them and it's enough to get the point across that she likes it.
The fact that she didn't even recognize a lot of the Goth bands in that video you metioned ("What type of Goth am I"), bands that are pretty much the gateway that everyone knows when starting out is just… Sad. And again, telling.
And yeah, I'm pretty sure the "Young Goths" who go to her are the people who are just like her who want to be Goth but don't like Goth music and when an older person who is over the bullshit is straight up with them, they cry elitist and run to the queen of poserdom herself for comfort lol>>784346
Maybe the name "Toxic
tears" is fitting for her because she is toxic
herself and whines a lot.>>784361
Because he thinks his fans will kiss his ass. And I hate to say it but as asshole-ish as Emilie Autumn is, at least she has some talent unlike Mr. Discount Bargain bin Marilyn Munrow lol.>>784362
That Katt girl who responded said the most cringiest thing you'd expect to hear when someone asks "What is Goth" lol
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Slight OT but apparently bishop does live streams with some DDLG in it. At home she can do whatever, but why tf on camera?>>784398>when something doesn't go her way, she brings up her depression
IBF does this too. Lets them whine/get asspats. Even if they do have it, using it like this is shitty.
TT also uses it to be lazy - "I feel down a lot, makes editing so hard~"
1) unboxings aren't hard to edit.
2) if it's true, isn't it a sign to change? If it's a lie, find a new one, this one's wearing thin.
bUT MaH dEPrEsSiON GuYs
Age old excuse. Yep, just blame all your “struggles” in life in your “ mental illness” . Meanwhile she sloths about in a pile of chip crumbs crying over people calling her out for not liking the music.
Yes!! If TT's so sensitive to the few hate/criticising comments she gets then social media really isn't the right field of work for her. And implying a comment could be the reason someone kills themselves is really gross and manipulative "Hahaa!!! you can't criticize me because I have depression and I might kill myself!!!", Having depression doesn't make you immune to criticism Kaya.
As a side note, I've been watching her for a few years now but i've gotten progressively more tired of her whole demeanor lately. Unboxings of subscription boxes are extremely lazy, stale content and she knows it. Spooky Box Club is a huge rip off (you can find most the things from it on AliExpress) but she still promotes it to her viewers, THAT'S why people are annoyed about the continuous unboxings.
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Oh look, another "goth" YouTuber who's channel is nothing but unboxings and hauls saying this on toxic tears video, Color me shocked.
WHY is goth "whatever you want it to be?"
Is punk whatever you want it to be?
Is hip hop whatever you want it to be?
Genres and music subcultures have different names for a reason, because they're -shocking- have a set of characteristics to them. The most basic one is liking the music of the musical subculture.
At this point I'm getting pissed with these bitches. THEY KNOW, they just want to bend the subculture to fit their need for fitting in something alternative to seem special. Bitches, you are NOT goth, you are basic ass normies who are dressing kinda darkly-ish, and in TT's case, not even this.
Stop it already, it's getting more ridiculous by the day. Why do they want sooo bad to be labelled "goth", of all things? It's like they fight tooth and nail to be included in something they don't even understand! Where do these people see that being goth = cool?
Because frankly, the media always portrays goths in the most pathetic way, like we are ridiculous, silly, immature, etc etc
Goth is NOT whatever you want it to be. Apart from your life, nothing is whatever you want it to be, you spoiled oversize toddlers. They ignore almost 40 years of history and a VERY rich -and diverse!-
musical catalog just because "but I wannaaaa! I'm a goth toooo! You can't stop meeee!"
No one's gonna stop you. You aren't goth, no matter what you say 1000 times. Keep whining and making yourself look more stupid by every fit. Kaya's new video is pathetic. She is pathetic. And Kaya, since you read everything people say about you: nothing you say will change the fact that you don't listen to the music and you know it. Besides that, no actual goth would ever fight this hard to be recognized as a goth. It's even kind of embarrassing sometimes, like when normies are like "sooo, are you a goth?" And you don't wanna be associated with the stupid mainstream stereotype and you're like "eeeeeh… kind of"
>>784481>goth is whatever you want it to be
if that's the case, what exactly is the point of calling it "goth"?
I guess, to me, goth means sitting in my underwear all day watching netflix. because why not?
True that. But in her defense she does look their age.
Her oldest daughter is 15, and considering Adora's age (45/46) she could have kids the same age as the
boy she dates (IF she does).
That only makes her remark re: "goth is whatever you want it to be" even less valid
but not everyone likes clubs? I consider myself Goth and I listen to the music, but I don't go to clubs, goth or otherwise, because I find the atmosphere to be stressful, and I don't like dancing and I don't drink so there's not much for me to do there anyway.
Similar thing with festivals, I would enjoy the bands but all the crowds and people would make it too stressful for me, and I can't really afford it anyway.
I agree that if TT doesn't like the music she's not goth, but I don't think it should be required to attend clubs.
this came up in my recommended videos and thought it was interesting considering all the talk about how wearing/owning killstar [and like brands] doesn't make you goth. >>784331
when will idiots learn if you truly don't care for what others say about you, you don't have to constantly post it, you'd just go about your life and let them say what they will.>>784494
well said. wearing a studded jacket without listening to punk and participating in the scene doesn't make one a punk, nor does one have to wear that to be punk if they do the other things, so idk where kaya and others got the idea that a certain style of dress and spooky interests or whatever makes you goth if the music isn't part of the deal.
Eugh this chick. I've seen her channel before and did a browse through it. Nothing but haul and unboxing crap, no mention of Goth music (even in her playlists) and yada uada. Yeah of course she's going to say the classic ignorant "Goth is whatever you want" bullshit. Fuck off with that nonsense. >>784494
100% anonymous. These bitches just need to accept they aren't Goth and move on. It' not the end of the world to nor be Goth, everyone is into different things. I don't know about this chick but TT clearly has some interest in Kawaii so why can't she just go there. She's already exhibiting interest in it so why the fuck not? Because clearly "Goth" is just not for her (and he many others like her). Because guess what Kaya, you can fart around with this nonsense all day, you will never be embraced by actual Goths because they see you for what you really are and it's not elitism neither.>>784532
Exactly. These two assholes bring absolutely nothing to the subculture. Crappy, boring shit-tastic haul videos of crap items doesn't do anything tangible for the scene.
What gives me more pleasure is that she can cry "gAt3KeePers" all she wanta but she KNOWS the truth. When she's alone listening to spice girls and she reads these comments she knows.>>784519
There's nothing wrong in daring someone younger than you if they're both of legal age and share the same interests and values, tho?>>784545
But if you consider yourself goth, listen to the music, participate in it in some way even if online (discussion boards, downloading and listening to music, etc) you are a goth. Not everyone likes clubbing and that's ok. I myself moved cities and still haven't found the goth events were I am and it doesn't make me any more less goth and neither do makes you. Hell, I have a lot of health problems that cause me pain so I attend like 1 out of 5 events or less if I'm feeling particularly bad.
The point >>784532
is trying to make is that if one (in this case Kaya and Jake) doesn't participate in ANY way, be it listening to the music at home, producing and/or consuming content related to goth or even going to clubs that play goth/goth related music or any goth event they are not goth. Neither kaya or jake have fondness for any aspect of the subculture apart from the things they claim to make them goths. That's why they HAVE to claim everything they do is goth, because otherwise, they have no relation to the subculture. They don't even dress goth, they're just alternative. People wouldn't talk this much about them if they were just living their lives as alternative people.>>784579>>when will idiots learn if you truly don't care for what others say about you, you don't have to constantly post it, you'd just go about your life and let them say what they will.
Yes! This! The more they fight to be included more obvious it is that they don't belong and that they care a loooot about what people say about them.>>784590
I think Kaya is just emotionally stunted in her early teenage years. When she was a teen being seen as goth was something that made her feel liked, beautiful, special. She never actually grew up and developed a real life of her own, with real interests, real music taste, etc so she clings to what she thinks is a goth aesthetic. When really, all that matters is listening to the music, participating a bit and dressing a bit alternative. Music is the defining point. In her mind she has so much to prove by dressing in black, having her house decorated in a spoopy way… if you came to my house you wouldn't guess a goth lives here, because one of my interests apart from goth is vintage decor so it's all midcentury-ish
I'm beginning to think of this as the gentrifying of goth because it shares some of the same features. From the decoupling of the clothing from the music to the overpriced, cutesy, BRANDED "spooky" ware - not to mention the onslaught of movies and tv shows that share some of the same aesthetics, it's not surprising "kids" think goth is whatever you want it to be. At least Shitstar is cheaper than Heavy Red, and neither is "goth" to me.
The irony is, all shilling puts real goth subculture (music) even further outside the mainstream than ever. Fine with me.
Does anyone else feel like TT kept reinterating that she knows things people say about her because they are direct comments to her or people have told her what’s posted and it’s NOT because she has read them on anywhere >Cough cough cough I dont read lolcow cough cough
Tin foil hat but she is wearing the same makeup as >>783479
Sorry Kaya but I think you did read these comments on lolcow because you are most likely on here all the time.
Not by a Goth YouTuber, but I found this video talking about 'gatekeeping' in the subculture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXcvQqZ44qI&t=264s
A tweet from Angela Benedict is shown around the 4 minute mark.
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don't know if this would be the right thread for this but does anyone follow samhaimtheone? the dude that looks like a clown. I was lurking her ex gf's tumblr (rottenmorgue) and came across this post from december. see some milk potential, she's kinda nuts as well.
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"Oh I don't read these forums but people tell me what people say on them"
1-of course both she and jake do.
2-even if they just know what are being said here without looking ot up themselves they're still pretty informed! If people tell them everything in details, they get pissed, rant about it and try to prove things to us then they're keeping up with "teh dRaMa" pretty closely.
The same as if someone just read aloud to her hahaha Kaya, you're pathetic pathetic pathetic. And if you feel like it all affects you so much that it escalates your depression to the point of having a fit publicly and threatening to kill yourself, you should seek a therapist, it'll help you. Also, go to a psychiatrist and treat your depression once and for all, not all meds make you gain weight, some even make you lose weight as a side effect. Girl, you're a able bodied 20 something, you can still turn your life around, stop making internet the central focus of your life. We are here criticizing people but it's in our spare time, we have lives. Go figure your life out kaya, wake the fuck up
>>784603> What gives me more pleasure is that she can cry "gAt3KeePers" all she wanta but she KNOWS the truth. When she's alone listening to spice girls and she reads these comments she knows.
Which is sad because I actually do like a few Spice Girls songs (90s kid LOL) but I feel confident listening to them because in the back of my head, I know I listen to and enjoy plenty of Goth bands
> The point >>784532 is trying to make is that if one (in this case Kaya and Jake) doesn't participate in ANY way, be it listening to the music at home, producing and/or consuming content related to goth or even going to clubs that play goth/goth related music or any goth event they are not goth. Neither kaya or jake have fondness for any aspect of the subculture apart from the things they claim to make them goths. That's why they HAVE to claim everything they do is goth, because otherwise, they have no relation to the subculture. They don't even dress goth, they're just alternative. People wouldn't talk this much about them if they were just living their lives as alternative people.
Agreed so much with this because it's true. A person who is really into Goth won't feel the need to label everything "Goth" (when it isn't). When I think about the Goths I've met in person, they don't label dark things "Goth", they just say "Dark" or "creepy", not "Goth". That is the final step of becoming a Goth in my opinion. Learning that Goth is music and not just dark things and when you learn to stop calling dark things Goth.
> I think Kaya is just emotionally stunted in her early teenage years. When she was a teen being seen as goth was something that made her feel liked, beautiful, special. She never actually grew up and developed a real life of her own, with real interests, real music taste, etc so she clings to what she thinks is a goth aesthetic. When really, all that matters is listening to the music, participating a bit and dressing a bit alternative. Music is the defining point. In her mind she has so much to prove by dressing in black, having her house decorated in a spoopy way… if you came to my house you wouldn't guess a goth lives here, because one of my interests apart from goth is vintage decor so it's all midcentury-ish
Yeah I think you're right which is funny because even when I see her old photos, "Goth" was not the word that comes to my mind, more like "Rivethead" (did she even listen to Industrial Music?) But yeah considering that she did a bit of modeling and was getting revered for it, she never felt the need to actually develop into a real person with real interests and that is really a shame. I can only imagine how she'll be when she hits her mid 40s. And that' funny about the "spoopy" home decor as if you were to step in my home, you wouldn't be able to tell I was into Goth music as I'm actually a bit of a video game nerd lol.>>784617> At least Shitstar is cheaper than Heavy Red, and neither is "goth" to me.
True that but honestly when it comes to dark fashion, Heavy Red has the better items lol.
And seeing how so many new Goth bands barely breaks views on YouTube because no one really talks about them is kinda sad but at least it keeps the mainstream at bay.>>784650
Useless video. It's pretty obvious this chick doesn't know what actual Goth is nor why actual Goths found SSSniperwolf's caption idiotic. >>784716
Kaya and Jake being that delusional about health is hilarious. American portions too big for her? Hm… Yeah no because if they really were on top of it all, they wouldn't look the way they do currently.
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she's a saint… im not sure how i feel about this 'non' goth fan. it's just so typical isn't it.
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Even my edgy 14yr old self would’ve cringed at this “poem.”
This. When poseurs™ cling to goth but know they don't qualify, they overcompensate with material stuff and discrediting anyone who susses them out.
I'm into a few genres of alt music that have distinct clothes and don't see this shit there. What is it about goth?>>784727>did she even listen to Industrial Music
She used to dress industrial/cyber, but I bet her music taste was the same as now.>>784749
They're like 14 year olds in love for the first time and oversharing it all. Reminds me of Drac Makens and her "super sexy bf!!" that she left. How long til they get sick of each other?
They think that label "goth" makes them more interesting. Usually because they have nothing else to offer, and in their minds, dressing goth automatically makes them spooky and mysterious, and maybe adds some probability of a complicated backstory. As some anons above said, it's just a teenage mentality. Some tend to never overcome it.
Also presence of goths in media influences that a lot, as it seems to me. Stereotypically goth characters rarely listen to goth music and just "act goth". In my youth a lot of people knew about goths thanks to news and media, but everyone asked what is goth and why we dress black, no one had a clue that it's about music.
Poseours and generally uninteresting people who just want to seem like they are interesting do not care about the point of anything, they only want to scratch the surface.
Didn't they go to LA in 2017? And she only thought to upload this NOW? Lazy lazy lazy.
I like that she said "this is why America has an obesity problem" about the pancakes, but still ate them…>>784727>>784775
So true. Fake "goths" feel the need to be OTT with their look and home decor to counter any criticism. Like they think it makes them immune because LOOK HOW GOFF ME AND MY HOUSE IS!! I WOULDN'T GO TO THIS MUCH TROUBLE IF I WASN'T A TRUE GOTH™
Keep in mind that The Haunted Bat doesn't consider herself Goth. She's a "Halloween Enthusiast" (in her words) and her videos are about Halloween. I know she does a lot of hauls, but she did have a series not long ago about making a Halloween themed doll house, and she does crafting videos and pet videos on occasion.
If she's not a Goth then she doesn't need Goth music.
Because the only people who would actually say things like this are normies and young impressionable baby bats lol.>>784775> She used to dress industrial/cyber, but I bet her music taste was the same as now.
Rh you're probably right LOL
> This. When poseurs™ cling to goth but know they don't qualify, they overcompensate with material stuff and discrediting anyone who susses them out.
I'm into a few genres of alt music that have distinct clothes and don't see this shit there. What is it about goth?
I think it's because Goth got so much misappropriation in the media for over 2 decades. >>784790> Also presence of goths in media influences that a lot, as it seems to me. Stereotypical goth characters rarely listen to goth music and just "act goth". In my youth a lot of people knew about goths thanks to news and media, but everyone asked what is goth and why we dress black, no one had a clue that it's about music.
Hit the nail on the head. That's why it's so common to hear people say things like "Oh, but I ACT Goth". What is "acting" Goth? Goth is not a personality. That was one I heard a lot when I was in high school with the Mall Goths.>>784799> "LOOK HOW GOFF ME AND MY HOUSE IS!! I WOULDN'T GO TO THIS MUCH TROUBLE IF I WASN'T A TRUE GOTH™
Yep pretty much lol Over-compensating is very true with these people. Notice how with the exception of Friday, most of the people who do this are the people who aren't into Goth music. Most true Goths I've come to know don't go overboard making their house look like some dark fantasy room. >>784822
Oh okay, thanks for the info. Halloween Enthusiast… Kek okay. So long as she's not calling that stuff or what she does "Goth", that's fine by me but her little post on Kaya's video is still cringe haha.
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Imagine getting dressed from head to toe in black lace just to go to IKEA
look how tiny the chair looks compared to her massive frame kek
I'm guessing she's looking for a comfy chair to lie down on for her attic
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the art crookedglasses made for Kaya really doesn't capture her weight
How else will people know how uber goth she is, anon? Not by the music she listens to, that's for sure>>784959
kek I thought this too
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Pretty rich of Kaya to like this tweet when she literally dressed head to toe in lace just to hang out at ikea.
Isn't that the point of the tweet, though? That Goths see expressing themselves through fashion as a big part of the subculture, even the ones who say it's ONLY
about the music, and that dressing the part is actually important as well as the music. I know that Kaya's trying to use this as 'instead' rather than 'as well', so she's being stupid with that, but it doesn't mean she's having a go at Goths for wearing elaborate clothes, so wearing a lacy outfit to Ikea doesn't make her a hypocrite.
That pastel kawaii stuff however… Not remotely Goth (or Gothic or darkly inclined or whatever) and not flattering either.
I feel like she's torn between wanting to be this bubblegum pink kawaii type person, and wanting to hang on to her dark persona. She doesn't seem invested enough in either, though - at least not enough to be really committed to either of them. I wish she'd pick something, and then get into it properly, but she seems to only have a surface attachment to most things (witchy aesthetic, Goth, kawaii, Harry Potter, etc.). I don't think her fat chav boyfriend helps with that; I get the feeling he invalidates her interests, like if she gets actually excited about anything, he shoots it down. No specific thing has triggered
that, it's intuition or something. She's obviously depressed, and would rather try and get validation from the internet than therapy, but I think there's something else going on. I kinda feel sorry for her, but the constant whining and veiled begging is annoying. She has vague glimmers of actually interesting content (gardening, DIY projects, decor), but can't keep a good upload schedule on those things, and always prefaces her videos with whining. I actually like her little terrarium, am curious to see how her garden improves, etc. and I think hobbies that need constant maintenance like a garden are good for her, and at least get her out of that stuff hoarder house and into some fresher air and sunlight. It's just interesting to note the pointed absence of Jake in those situations. It's THEIR house, THEIR garden, but it seems like it's only her that's interested.
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I'm itching just looking at this.Those bell bottoms look fucking ridiculous with platforms.
She looks like a lace monster. What part of different textures doesnt she understand.
Gothic or not, nothing irks me more than someone spending all this money on clothes but can’t put themselves together to save their life.
Decked out to her is probably all that pastel vomit she does. This is "toned down" in comparison. Still badly co ordinated though.
A smaller top would've worked better. She says she hates her tummy (and does 0 about it) and hiding it just makes it bigger.
Didn't see the video yet, but at thia point Angela seems fixated with this subject. Geez, weren't you the super old 90s goth who knows everything about the scene? Focus on that, stop feeding and caring about internet drama, for fucks sake. Wasn't that the reason she thinks (and so do we, kek) she's better than the majority of the other "goth" youtubers?
I'm losing interest in you, Angela.
No, not necessarily. When paired with the right top and shoes, they can look quite nice. Like platforms can look great with bell bottoms but only if they are about like 2-3", not mega stacked like what Kaya is wearing.
But then again, this is all subjective and I'm a fan of vintage 60s wear lol>>785309
That's a bit harsh. Just because Angela has more substance within her compared to Friday and Kaya doesn't mean she can't give her opinion on this kind of stuff. And besides, she kept the video short and didn't drag on about it. And if anything, it gives us insight to what she was feeling before she started making videos about Goth. I find it interesting (and relieving) that she followed her gut instinct and didn't fall into the haul sponsor crap trap.
this would be so much cuter if the top wasn't frumpy in the mid section…you can be larger, and still wear slim cut/slimming clothes that flatter the silhouette of ones mid-section…
I feel like TT is very afraid of TRYING.
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A sub that doesnt like humiliation? Sounds legit
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not sure if she's been brought up in earlier alt cows threads but HarperLeighHollywood…… i guess i don't have any WILD milk other than having a mutual friend confirm she shoops herself much thinner than she is + jumping on any stereotypical sPoOky GiRl trend. she sells satin robes that are str8 out of aliexpress with a damn rhinestoned spider for way too much money and they're so trashy. she also posted a pic with her hubby using corpse paint then talking about lords of chaos and deathgasm. (as someone who is actually involved with black metal, i was offended.) i'm hoping someone has more milk here. something has always seemed so incredibly false about this woman.
Quickly reading before heading out so will get back to my point later on with a timestamp…
Is it me or did she vaguely acknowledged in this video that she used to take part in the drama but it’s all in the past?
If so, I find it to be a little too coincidental given the latest discussions on here about her PULL days and receipts of her being a jerk to others on Tumblr. Looks to me as if she’s avidly following the discussion and trying to foreshadow any potential accusation/doing some stealth damage conctrol.
So like 80% of "dark" people on instagram>>785702
It baffles me how these people never learn that the best way to deal with this is to simply ignore it entirely. Explaining yourself about shit you read people talking aboit you on gossip forums only causes more drama as you're giving more things to people talk about and dig up about you. Oh Kaya, you are dumb as fuck! You should just shut the fuck up and either work on getting fit and producing more interesting content or hop into the body positivity train and give up youtube and focus on gaming for real and develop your game streams.
You can't have all of these things at once, you just look like the most vulnerable, imature 25 year old that has ever lived.
Right, I’m back!
Rewatching the video and she says at 3:15/3:16
“I don’t like drama forums. It’s something I grew out of many many years ago”
So, she can’t really escape the fact anymore that she was part of the problem and still is by still visiting those “forums”. She knows what’s going in on here and like another anon mentioned, her and Jake made it very obvious that they are no strangers to our little conversations on here.
P sure some of these altcows lurk anyway, I've seen a few YT comments trying to notify IBF and Angela. Toxic
Twosome definitely read.
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I don't know, but he has drastically changed his look. Again.https://www.instagram.com/thildasbeinhaus
Thank you for this anon. Even if Dorian is copying others, it's music and this stuff should be talked about and encouraged so newcomers can finally learn what Goth truly is about and learn about what Goth music actually sounds like. >>785982
Yeah I noticed that he seemed to have deleted all his videos (or hid them) which sucks because he was a pretty decent channel. Though seeing this… >>785986
I think I may have an idea of why he deleted/got rid of his old videos. This is going to sound presumptuous since I don't follow him on Instagram but I feel like the reason why he deleted his older videos is because he's not confused about his gender anymore? He said he was some "Genderfluid" "non-binary" type of person in a few of those videos but I also remember he was pretty young (19 or 20). He's been quiet for 2 years on his channel and I feel he did some self-discovery and accepted his born sex and doesn't identify as "non-binary"/"genderfluid" anymore (kinda like what happened with that Roly person on YouTube who dropped the label a few weeks ago).
Now again, this is all presumption, I don't follow Thilda on social media so if he still is identifying as that, please do correct me and I'll retract but it's just that seeing his new look (which looks great for him), I can't help but feel this is what happened and he's trying to be embrace who he is now and may come back to YouTube later when he's ready.
Are you dumb or are you Dorian? You can only pick one. Anon said that DORIAN was clearly trying to be a shitstirrer with this video (which I don't even agree with). It's super positive that she is teaching people about newer goth music, but she IS involving herself in each and every latest goth drama.>>786114
He just changed his style from grufti to generic dark "goth" on instagram. I bet a finger that soon he will drop goth altogether
Thank you anon that's what I meant.> but she IS involving herself in each and every latest goth drama.
I have never seen dorian talk about goth music before(and apologies if I am mistaken) and given all the shit going on the timing and previous videos it does come off as stirring. I cannot deny posting it here with glowing reviews could also be seen as suspicious given this is a lolcow thread which is meant to be for milk, not a how to be goth thread but I originally meant what you said, involving herself in all the latest drama.>Are you dumb or are you Dorian? You can only pick one
>>786120> "nonbinary clubkid"
Oh… That's a shame but eh, just give it a few more years and he'll either drop it like these people usually do or may end up being trans all along. Because this nonbinary thing is nothing more than youth adult fad but that's a discussion for another thread lol>>786142> He just changed his style from grufti to generic dark "goth" on instagram. I bet a finger that soon he will drop goth altogether
You really think he's going to drop Goth? Eh, I could see that happening but hey, at the very least he can look back and say he went through an actual Goth phase since he actually did listen to and enjoy the music compared to an ex-Mall Goth turned "normie" who says they went through a "goth phase" when they didn't lol>>786175
The only issue with Dorian is that she groups Goth and Industrial as one in the same. I remember bringing thing up in one of her clubbing videos when she called bands like Psyclon Nine, Nine Inch Nails, and VNV Nation as "Goth music".>>786179
Maybe but it's not like music was not discussed in YT Goth, it was just by smaller channels who don't do haul videos lol Accumortis who is not as active talks about music quite a bit and has even made a few Goth EPs. There's also Sweeney Deville who has talked about music as well.
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Toxic twosome are back in Barcelona. Expect a 5 part series from Jake of mostly him talking, and a haul from kaya plus a "lost vlog" a year later.
Do they still want to move there?
but we have no moniiii give us some moni for doing nothing except being goff
I have no fucking clue how they pay for this. Maybe use your money to clean your musty clothes and disgusting and filthy house…
Doesn't her dad live in Barcelona? Her and Jake probably only had to pay flights and spending money, but I'm sure Daddy will be treating them both.
Also to receive benefits they'd have to prove they were unemployed and seeking employment. They're probably registered self employed, because if they claimed benefits but Kaya goes on the BBC as an YouTuber she can hardly cry unemployed uwu
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My god, she has put together a tasteful outfit.
I saw people talking about her husband’s neck tattoo which is a Hindu swastika as one of the reasons
But he also has a Star of David and look, that man ain’t no Jew
It’s innapropriate but I don’t think it’s nazi material
She used liquify or smth similar to push her giant nose in and it made her whole face get super squished>>786670
Better than all that pink frilly horrific shit. She has to prove that she's super goth now so expect more "dark" outfits for a while>>786654
Next time you post, write "sage"(minus the quotes) in the email field, please
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your icon is showing. it's not that hard to crop a pic, why do ppl keep doing this.
anyway, i think she looks nice, i like the tights and she didn't pile on a bunch of tacky accessories. but this tweet is gross, sharing stuff like this is weird to me. like, she could've just taken her makeup off, it's not like she posts pix of herself while traveling so why would it matter if she was wearing it or not.
and oh look, it didn't take jakey boy long to not keep up with a stated video upload schedule, but like another anon said, we'll get a bunch of boring vlogs from the trip, i predict lots of pointing at things, comments about the weather and bitching about having a cough which he's already doing on twitter.
Sorry but he's a "he". Until he starts saying he's transwoman, I wouldn't indulge in that nonsense but that's just me.
In other news, looks like Snowy came back to YouTube and has hopped aboard the Goth community is toxic
train (tbf, she didn't say all of it was) because It'sBlackFriday & Toxic
Tears were finally called out on their bullshit.
Bet this is Jake's pic since it's not shopped. The outfit is tasteful, but should've worn longer shoes. These ones make her legs look stumpy.>>786725>the community wasn't this bad when i started YT, now its worse
If by worse you mean calling out poseurs' BS, yes, as said poseurs are more popular now. Dgmw people can like whatever the fuck they want. But when they start throwing labels around and misinforming people about a whole subculture that already hasn't got a great rap, well.
Snowy is friends with that Sweeney Deville guy I wonder what he, and other alt YTers for that matter, think.
>>786738> If by worse you mean calling out poseurs' BS, yes, as said poseurs are more popular now. Dgmw people can like whatever the fuck they want. But when they start throwing labels around and misinforming people about a whole subculture that already hasn't got a great rap, well.
Snowy is friends with that Sweeney Deville guy I wonder what he, and other alt YTers for that matter, think.
Exactly, I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this for what it is. That's really all it came down which was just people having enough BS with these posers and wanted to finally speak up on it (mostly Toxic
Tears though it started with Freya).
And exactly, like whatever you like but the moment you try to twist something that is already established into something it's not, expect to be called out at some point. Is it me or is it that the people who are taking offense to this "drama" are most likely people who may also be like these posers and feel personally attacked when these people get called out?
As for Sweeney Deville, I wouldn't be surprised if he sides with Snowy because he doesn't want to be seen as an elitist and will say what the general audience wants to hear of "Who am I to say who is or isn't Goth". I just know it.
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One of the comments under Snowy's video, come again Libby?
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Yeah they’re not exclusive but Prayers is a Luciferian Latino who has never expressed interest in Judaism or Buddhism apart from using their symbolism to make edgy art and get shitty tattoos.
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ok, and the point is?
Sweeney seems off to me? I don't know, he's dating that "pastel goth" girl and wears a shit ton of Killstar>>786740
why would you even go out with no eyebrows?? kek
I meant to reply to >>786725
, sorry (I'm new here lol)
Oh God another one. I actually gave him the benefit of the doubt and skimmed the comments section to see if someone mentioned if he liked the music? A commenter did ask and he only responded with "I listen to the music." You see my problem with this is when they're vague. Like okay cool, have any particular favorite Goth bands? Care to elaborate a bit? People will elaborate their favorite Pop Punk, Metal, and Rock bands but as soon as someone mentions Goth, unless the person actually looks like they're into the actual Goth scene, they keep it vague. But hey? Maybe he'll surprise us but considering how he's using Jude Bishop as his little inspiration to getting into Goth, I'm very doubtful.>>786909
And that's fine and dandy, good for you. I respect genders pronoun as well but only ones based in reality. I will call transwomen by "She/her" and transmen as "he/him" but I don't do the "They" crap. Anyway, I'm very off topic, discussion for the gender critical thread.>>786921> Sweeney seems off to me? I don't know, he's dating that "pastel goth" girl and wears a shit ton of Killstar
Oh does he? I don't follow Sweeney on social media and only saw his videos but when I actually think about it, I remember when he did this one video with his friend about materialism in Goth and a lot of what they said was so off-base. So if he really is a little off, I wouldn't be surprised. But at least he doesn't make a myriad of haul videos and does make some at the very least, engaging videos to invoke discussion.>>786967
You're right, the comments section is a shithole full of milk.
Thildas Beinhaus is a town child, he recently discovered Berlins(germany, capitalcity) club life and totally soaks it up.
There is a "gay clubkid we are such dark goph hipsters fashion" scene which totally fits on his new looks.
Very SM Hipster gaygoph.
His old style came from his town life.
In the more rural or more south german citys/towns the goth fashion tents to be more on the romantic goth side with lots of lace and velvet.
Berlin and the north is sporting a more modern and london based looks.
Basically 3/4 in depth description of how badly Ami James treated her and that the note wasn’t written by her. Ami supposedly just wanted to get rid of her because he felt threatened.
Then the last few minutes are about how all the anti-vaxx rumors aren’t true, she was reading about vaccines online, got paranoid but she has now talked to her pediatrician, let them explain everything, and now she has learned to not tell anyone about their choices. (Which to me just sounds like ‘We still won’t get him vaccinated but we’ve learned from our mistakes and won’t tell anyone’.)
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He didn't touch this one.
Also, he's friends with bishop and she's helping him get into goth - and her idea of goth is you don't need to like the music (even tho she likes some herself)>>786980
Yeah "I'm not anti vaxx" my ass. She's just pretending not to be for damage control, but will quietly keep Leafar unvaccinated. That's even worse.
Being polite is not a rule or requirement of the boards(on the contrary, kek) but saging is. Go on and you're probably going to get banned on 1, 2, 3.
May I sugest you go to PULL? People there care about being polite and shit>>786895
The point is that punks did this shit in fucking 1970s. Nowadays people know better than trying to shock with swastikas. Besides, 70s punk who did this shit were not in their fucking 40s or 50s like Prayers. Boring>>786921
Yes! I have the same impression as you, he just knows how to dress and is pretty>>786903
Oh my fucking god, Nazi von D! YOU said you were anti vax, who are you correcting?>>786979
I always saw him as a confused kid, heavily influenced by everything around him. Makes so much sense now! That's why I think he'll drop goth altogether: because it's all just phases, different flavours of dark aesthetics. When he feels like dark fashion is not edgy anymore he'll dive head first into drag queen, alien, glam, whatever he likes the aesthetic. Live and let live, if you ask me. As long as he doesn't start spreading misinformation about the subculture and the music, he is free to experiment with whatever he wants to, no one has to
stick to something their whole lives, and we can't really expect that from a 20 year old>>786980
I don't like her but I can believe Ami forging the whole thing with the note, I have read several people say he is an asshole of massive proportions.>>786821
I don't even watch these kids saying shit about goth anymore. Fuck them, give it a uear, tops and he'll have went on to the next phase.>>786994
No one cares about Emily Boo here. And do you know that being constantly sick can be because of a chronic disease, don't you? Why would you think it's because binge drinking? And why be annoyed someone has health issues? Stop making shit up. Argh, not those 16 year olds again
Yeah I believe kat about the whole Ami thing too, he always gave me the creeps
Even in the show he was always unnecessarily rude to everyone, including customers
>>786738>Snowy is friends with that Sweeney Deville guy I wonder what he, and other alt YTers for that matter, think.>>786921>Sweeney seems off to me? I don't know, he's dating that "pastel goth" girl and wears a shit ton of Killstar
Sweeney would definitely side with Snowy. His video with his friend about the social classes of goth was such bullshit, they just repeat the same thing over and over. Moaning about Killstar whilst wearing Killstar. Makes no sense. If you go to his channel you can see that he recently subscribed to that Ruadhan dude too who was hating on TT and Freya so that shows how he feels about the whole situation really.
He's not with the pastel girl any more either afaik. Looks like she dropped him and got with some druggy punk dude who owns a tattoo parlour.
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And your point is?
Is Prayers trying to be a subversive as a punk kid in the 70’s? Is he wearing nazi chic on stage to stick it to the man?
Prayers has permanent tattoos of the swastika and the Star of David which he confirmed is what they are and says he got them to reclaim the symbols. By what right? That’s all we’re asking. >>787027
Also, didn’t Kat accuse him of sexual assault in the vid? It’s one thing to be an asshole and it’s another to be an abuser
. Do we think he’ll address the accusation?
What are you doing here if you don't even know who siouxsie is? How do you follow why we're criticizing poseurs like Toxic
shits, jake etc etc>>787055
I find it hilarious that he has a swastika and a star of david tattoed in order to supposedly "reclaim the symbols". How are you gonna reclaim a symbol that was never yours? He's not a Buddhist or jewish. Of course he just wants to shock people, exactly like Sebastian Columbine is totally mot named after the Columbine massacre and alleges it comes from a flower of the same name. Sure, Jan.
Talking about sebastian, she dyed her hair bright green some weeks ago but now deleted every trace of it. Which she had done earlier when she got her sides shaved. She's looking like a soccermom now
Someone asked her that on instagram some months ago, according to her, she just hid everything temporarily so people would focus more on her band than on her personality while they were on tour or something.
My guess is that she wants to distance herself from the goth youtuber thing and all the drama surrounding it lately. Smart move for someone who wants to be a public figure through some kind of work or art they produce. Take a note, Kaya and Jake
Kat did accuse Ami of sending her a dick pic and of grabbing her breasts
I don’t think he’s going to address it at all
I can see it being forged, even by the studios because reality tv is shameless. But she also shamelessly chose to talk about the easily explained shit. Totally ignoring dating a known neonazi, her current husband also being into Nazis, I think there was another nazi in her life that I can't remember…
Like I'm not one to say your friends' opinions always reflect yours but it's a little different when it comes to nazis. Especially multiple you dated
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Lemmy from Motörhead collected Nazi memorabilia if that counts. Birds of the same feather…..
Collecting nazi memorabilia doesn't count. A lot of people like to collect morbid and macabre pieces of history, I know a lot of people who do. Collecting this shit is very different than dating actual neo nazis.>>787173
I agree with you! She only addressed this one thing because it was the only one she could explain! As for prayers "being into nazis", I don't think he is, he's more into causing a fuss showing the symbol only to say "actually, it is an ancient symbol of peace" bla bla bla. He's a pretentious 13 year old edgelord in the body of a 40 year old. Prayers' only goal in life is to be as edgy as humanly possible, just look at him
You're not the sharpest tool in the box, are you? I'm not saying me or "my friends" collect nazi shit and that everyone who does is 100% not a nazi. Of fucking course there are neo nazis who collect nazi shit but I'm stating that there is a whole community of people, in the world, not "muh frends", who collect weird, macabre, morbid things from history because of the macabre factor. One of these things, among several others, is nazi memorabilia. That doesn't make one a nazi sympathizer, sharing their ideals does.
Does collecting shrunken heads make one a native warrior? Does collecting memento mori photography make one a victorian photographer?
I, personally, would think someone who collect nazi memorabilia is shady too and would be weary of them, pay attention to see if the ideas match the collection, but my whole point is that collecting alone doesn't prove anything, you know?
Now, regularly engaging with neo-nazis like Kat von D does sure is telling of her ideas.
Whoa, did I touch a nerve or what?
“I, personally, would think someone who collect nazi memorabilia is shady too and would be weary of them, pay attention to see if the ideas match the collection, but my whole point is that collecting alone doesn't prove anything, you know?“
So why are you arguing so hard and throwing insults? Sure his collection doesn’t prove he was a raging neo Nazi but most people would rightly still speculate. KVD considered Lemmy a really close friend and a mentor so I think it is worth mentioning that he collected Nazi memorabilia.
Yes, the nerve of explaining things to people who didn't know about them hahahah! If you get this affected by one paragraph explaining collecting to you… you sure is a sensitive person
I am arguing that while I think KAT VON D sure is shady because she hung with actual neo nazis among other things she did who showed nazi like ideas, Lemmy was just a collector who didn't show any nazi affiliation or ideas, as >>787223
Calm down, we're all agreeing here. You just learned that there are people who collect weird shit because they like the weirdness/creepy/rareness of the things, yay!
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kat dated/was engaged to jesse james who one wore a german soldier's hat [pic related] while he was dating sandra bullock. he cheated on her with ~tattoo model~ michelle mcgee, who did a shoot wearing a swastika armband. fuck the lot of them, stupid adults trying to pass it of as being 'edgy' or 'shocking' knowing full well what they're doing and how ppl will react.
it's unrelated but it always tickled me how insistent Sandra Bullock was that she knew nothing about Jesse's passion for Nazis, meanwhile during their marriage she went out of her way to play up her distant German heritage
very Kat von D when you think about it
Lol this bitch who cashes in on shitty overpriced handbags bc she puts youtubers names on it???
Cmon. This cant be real. Comedy this gold cant be real.
Yep, she's not even a Goth so her opinion isn't really relevant and of course she's going to suck It's Black Friday's ass considering they worked together and she needs to keep that cash flow from that purse coming lol.
I just find it hilarious how a lot of these "Goff" YouTubers are taking such offense that someone finally called out IBF and TT out on their nonsense all while missing the point why a lot of people are done with them thinking it's because "LOL U JELLY THAT YOU DON'T GET FREE GOFF CLOTHES uwu">>787460
This is why I always stick with Sinister Soles, never had a problem with them.>>787619
Her crap band was not even a Goth band. It was a try-hard Symphonic Metal band.
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Going through TT's old blogs I can't get over how much she has let herself go. I know we always say this but wouldn't it be good if she sorted her weight, got rid of that leech Jake and got some self esteem.
I think >>787766
kinda pinpointed the reasons why but also because she was less active compared to Kaya & Friday. But yeah, she has done claim to be Goth but is actually a Metalhead, she's made it pretty clear she doesn't enjoy Goth music and it's just as annoying but because she's less vocal about things and doesn't upload as frequently, she tends to fly under the radar. >>787769
I honestly think she looks pretty but only with some of her looks. Others are "eh". At the very least she knows how to pair things that puts her a step above Kaya lol.>>787771
LOL that is pretty sad. So then it's obvious he's not been and hasn't been into her for years since she let herself go so drastically if you say he used to share/post her photos a lot. >>787782
Holy crap anon, that is her (just looked her up). She uses both names and while it seems she put on a little weight, I just recognize her face, it's one you don't really forget.
As for thoughts well… I mean being a Satanist isn't a bad thing so I mean, whatever floats your boat? However when I think back at the kind of content she made during her "Goth" days, I can't help bur feel she would be just like Kaya because while I was a baby-bat during the time I discovered her channel all those years ago, I can't recall her actually talking about actual Goth music and she called HIM a Goth band (they aren't). She did do a music spotlight video for Voltaire but honestly… I would need more to go on then him because he's fairly known in the geek world.
Nonetheless it looks like she moved on from YouTube.
Holy shit that's definitely her. Good find anon, I've been wondering what happened to her for years.
Satanist stuff aside she looks exactly the same and I'm surprised no one else had found her until now. She's pretty cute actually.
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She used to have a more defined face and a hairline that made sense
Now she's a balding potato
Sage because no milk.
Wow, she was so pretty. I can understand why she has been feeling so bad for some time now, things changed so much. Even if she didn't lose weight she could immediately look way better if she started doing her eyebrows like in this pic and not that cartoonishly short brows, if she fixed her hairline and dressed in a less childish way. I believe she is still completely fixable, if only she realized all of this on her own… but she ignores all these other things and puts all the blame for her bad looks on her weight. Even if she did lose a ton, she'd still look bad dressing in the same sloppy way, putting together outfits that don't go well at all, looking like she's always dirty, face proportions all fucked up because of brows and hair…
Oh kaya, I don't even like you, was never a fan, but I gotta admit, I feel bad for you. Just wanted to go all Queer eye for the straight guy with you, you're in need of some help
It seems like she may have reappeared on the internet in the last few years so it's most likely because she really did disappear off the internet for awhile and wanted to be forgotten. I wonder why though because even though I think she would be one of those "Goth is a mindset" people, she actually wasn't that bad.>>787813
My animosity to her aside, I agree with >>787847
she actually used to look quite nice. It's just all the more shocking how much one can change in a few years.
Couple all her weight gain with a boyfriend who isn't into her and is onto lusting over he next thing (Kelly Eden), it's pretty easy to see why she's so miserable and probably hides behind all the clothes.
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Surprised I haven't seen this trainwreck on here. This is Kady Eva but she goes by Kady Rae atm. https://www.facebook.com/kady.rae666/
Her life is full of oversharing about all the sex she has, she's bulimic and brags about how hot and skinny she thinks is, she hops in and out of relationships in the span of a few days and moves in with these guys but then blasts them when the shit inevitably hits the fan, she has two young kids who she parades these guys in front of while bragging about how much and how loud of sex she has because according to her she is a sex addict, she does home tattoos on herself oh and did I mention she brags about having bpd? Her timeline is a mess of "look at how hot I am", "being thin rules", "stop hitting on me gawd everyone wants me" and "my life sucks again". She's so up and down there is so much milk here and everything is public. She's also a fan of shooping herself to add fake freckles on every single pic
At least you know her kids will end up being fucked up like her. Why do people like this breed again?
Anyway, I had a thought about IBF. The only video she’s released in months is that pre recorded skin care thing. However she’s in NZ and has been for months, she has internet and a good quality phone, she could readily record something but doesn’t. Fairly sure she’s not posting anything because of the whole goth drama. I’ve never once heard her say you must listen to goth music in order to be called a goth and I have never heard her say the opposite either. Is she hiding till it all blows over to come back as queen of the goffs?
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I agree that she used to be v good looking, she's always seemed to be obsessed with good just she can't eat all she wants without the weight gain now!http://xtoxictears.blogspot.com/2012/?m=1
The thing though is no one (or at least most) are not criticizing her for Goth music but rather because in the last 3 years, she hasn't shown any Goth music on her channel and instead, farted around with a bunch of senseless haul videos. The personal life thing is the only other thing I've seen her criticized mostly in the comments about her sham marriage (marrying for resident and possibly guilty of tax fraud) and possibility of racism.
But I don't know why she's so scared, most of her simple-minded fans lack critical thinking and are defending their goff queen so she has nothing to worry about.>>788020
Yeah I heard that she used to eat junk all the time and was living off of her fast metabolism but obviously it started to wear off and since she didn't change her eating habits or at least limited the amount of junk she ate, it started to affect her body. Couple that with depression and a sedentary lifestyle and it was only a matter of time before she balloooned up.
I'm extremely interested, could you give us some prints? This cow has potential!>>788013>>788022>>788040
I think she's just tired of all this and has absolutely no patience for being in the public eye anymore. She's probably trying to figure out what to do with her life now that everything has changed so drastically, she's back home and probably will be marrying mr owl soon, if they didn't already. My guess is that she'll post less and less and before 2019 ends, she'll quit YouTube and focus on being a writer or something else she has done before like decorating shopping windows or put her film degree to some use. Maybe she'll grow up.>>788020
I can't get over these pics of Kaya, she was so pretty! It makes me root for a recover because she must be miserable with her looks now. I can't make any sense of the fact that she looked older, more put together, mature and elegant when she was a teenager than she does now. Why???
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I find it quite amusing that when Kaya retold this story in her Goth Tag video, she changed Marilyn Manson to the Cure.
When I had a look at her VampireFreaks account on the wayback machine, she mysteriously stops filling in her 'music' section around late 2010/early 2011. Funnily enough, this is when Tumblr was taking off and the goth community on there was at its biggest. Given that she links all her social media on any given platform, she obviously got called out by actual music fans who clicked her VF link and saw that she had the same generic taste as every other kid on there:
"Aero Smith, AFI, Aiden, Antic Care, Bon Jovi, Bowling for soup Blood Hound Gang, Cheap Trick, Combichrist, Cradle of Filth, Dead or Alive, Death Stars, Dope Stars Inc., Europe, Gold Frapp, Grendel, Hole, Jack off Jill, Jeffree Star, Kern Kraft, Malice Mizer, Marilyn Manson, Murder Dolls, Pink Floyd, PPK, Prodigy, Pulp, Queen, Rammstein, Reel Big Fish, Scissor Sisters, Shakespeare's Sisters, System of a Down, Tatu, The Eagles, The Gossip, The La's, Wednesday 13."
All your gothic rock and post-punk faves, amirite?
>>788100>I think she's just tired of all this and has absolutely no patience for being in the public eye anymore. She's probably trying to figure out what to do with her life now that everything has changed so drastically, she's back home and probably will be marrying mr owl soon, if they didn't already. My guess is that she'll post less and less and before 2019 ends, she'll quit YouTube and focus on being a writer or something else she has done before like decorating shopping windows or put her film degree to some use. Maybe she'll grow up.
Honestly I wouldn't mind if she did this. Perhaps with this "drama", she sees that sustaining a "career" on YouTube just isn't very feasible for the long haul as people can learn certain things about you that you may not have wanted to have known and could possibly expose you which would hurt your livelihood (Patreon). Really, she wouldn't have to worry about this kind of stuff if she just treated YouTube as a side gig and had a normal source of income and a general life.
>I can't get over these pics of Kaya, she was so pretty! It makes me root for a recover because she must be miserable with her looks now. I can't make any sense of the fact that she looked older, more put together, mature and elegant when she was a teenager than she does now. Why???
Yeah she was actually pretty and she could get back somewhat there if she buckled down and stayed focus. She's still young so she has the energy and capacity to get the ball rolling. But I will say this though, she shouldn't think that if she loses the weight, people will start thinking she's "Goth" because she's pretty. It doesn't work for ReeRee Phillips and it won't work for her neither lol.>>788108
Oh wow anon, I had no idea kek. And the thing is it's fine to like these bands but if you're calling yourself "Goth" yet you don't listen to Goth music among these bands, you're not a Goth and it's just obvious she's not into the music because if she was, you would've seen Goth music somewhere in this listing but nope, just your run of the mill bands you saw with mallcore kids. I'm betting that the reason she thinks she's Goth is because she liked/likes Jack off Jill, Malice Mizer, Rammstein, & Wednesday 13 but as we all know, these bands aren't Goth bands.
Kaya is a prime example of a cow that peaked at 20 and it's been pretty much downhill since then.
She needs to find a way to redefine herself that isn't exclusively through her appearance, as that's long gone.
>do you know what bands I listen to>do you know what my favourite band is
yes kaya, yes we do.>>788100>. I can't make any sense of the fact that she looked older, more put together, mature and elegant when she was a teenager than she does now. Why???
I wouldn't go that far anon, she wasn't elegant by any means but she looked better put together and had a more interesting style(s) than just the pink vomit she insists on now. and I would say it's pretty common for teenagers to dress more mature, but in her case she wants to stay young forever so dresses more and more immature as she ages
/r/goth is curious place where you can bash every political option as long as it's not communism, because when you do you suddenly break rule
>2, No politics
And yes fuck Nazis, and Commies too. Both groups are equally dumb.
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This conceited bitch
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What is this? Why has he painted his neck black?
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Hes just copying Manson.
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It's quiet popular in harsh industrial circles. Or at least was.
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In that post they mention that they are planning to visit Barcelona often and take Spanish language classes, once Jake gets an Irish passport.
.. Isn't he English or Welsh? How on earth does he think he's entitled to an Irish passport. Unless his grandparents are Irish?
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Did any one is this so they
Wont there fans to pay for there life style if they moved out there how long do they think this going keep paying they just biggest ebegging on earth >>788342
Mainly this. I am dying for milk from the new cow but people only replied "her facebook profile is open, theres plenty there"
Ibf's and TT's are too and here we are, endlessly talking about them. IBF isn't even active anymore>>788366
I don't understand what they said at all but regarding the screenshot: Jake is stupid as fuck. Even if you're making money from your online work amd getting paid in dollars, the local economy will always affect you, since you pay bills, buy necessities, etc in the country.>>788308
Have you realized that since the last time they've been called out as poseurs jake is trying so fucking hard to look edgier and darker?>>788297
I really fucking doubt it that this is conceit. People who brag like this are almost always the most insecure, with the lowest self-esteem. She knows she is pretty enough to gather some compliments and admiration on the internet so she probably tries to convince everyone that she is WOW, gorgeous so that she feels better about herself. Validation
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kek. Manson only started doing it to hide his triple chins. Jake probably does it so his face doesn't look pumpkin-shaped (and for ~edgy brownie points~ of course).
>>788342>we're totally doing something we won't drop after a month>music music music>Ireland sucks
He writes the same caption with each pic, just diff contexts. And he's been dressing edgy for a while to make up for that chav phase a few months ago. (He's still a chav, but now in black clothes)>>788400
It's cos they're popular, but agree w >>788409
the new cow is milky af. Seems like Adora but cranked up to 11.
And can we bring Bishop back? She has a thread but pretty dead.
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Yes, and today there’s a new one of her and Coalcandy . Seems like he has graduated and she went to Switzerland to celebrate. She posted a set of pics and said she liked the last one best. Either this is some high level trolling, or she’s finally hooking up with him. >>784263
I get the impression Sireplague and His wife have split up. He and Adora always seemed super flirty, but this time he seemed kind of gloomy and made a comment about needing friends or something.
Her upper lip just makes her look like a man.
Her kids are going to end up orrery fucked up, if not already. >>788439
The fuck kind of a thumb nail is that? It’s a sad day when Jakes content and overal look is better than kayas.
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Yep, those poor bastards. Way to go mum!
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There is nothing pretty about this, anon. From the fake freckles to the same stupid ducklip she pulls in every single pic, she's fucking gross
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I think Reeree is gorgeous, especially with blonde hair.>>787755
we go easy on her because she isn't scummy like kaya and jake (at least that I'm aware of). she doesn't incessantly e-beg or act entitled and actually seems to appreciate her viewers. that being said, I still don't watch her because I find her videos kind of boring.
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Bitch needs her own thread. Theres milk for days here
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these comments just keep on coming
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I'm wondering will Jake answer this >>788342
With the Good Friday agreement, all born on the Island of Ireland are entitled to an Irish passport. Not all of those within Northern Ireland are British or UK nationals, many hold an Irish passport and are Irish despite NI being "in the UK".
With Jake though, he's hoping that he can apply for a passport through the notion of "Naturalisation"(No Familial or Marital links, just living in "The State" for a long time), which is lengthy and expensive. No where online do I see if Northern Ireland counts as "the state."
I find it a little insulting he wants to claim for an Irish passport. All he does is spew shit about how he hates Northern Ireland. Besides, if he plans to skip off to Spain he would lose the right to that nationality very quickly from what I can read.
Are you out of your mind? Reeree is ugly asf! She can look ok all "gothed" up but in this pic she's looking the worse I've ever seen her look.>>788518
I'm sure her dogs are literally hunting down her dildos because they are smelling them. Animals love weird, "dirty" smells, urgh. I imagine she doesn't wash her dildos before storing them so she's basically telling everyone on the internet that her pussy smells bad and she let's her dildos all funky. Gross gross gross grooooossss>>788538
I remember I laughes out loud when she and Mathias reacted to some of these dumb 40 years of goth this and that, when they saw the trad goth revival (or something) look she said "I like to think I had an important influence on that" and in the deathrock revival mathias said that they were taking inspiration from him. That's pretty much what united them, both think of themselves as uber trad goths>>788639
So from this we can conclude he is just dumb as fuck.>>788439
Gothic vacation. Imagine if we went around deeming everything we do, as actual goths, gothic stuff. Gothic litter box cleaning, gothic sock washing, gothic working out, gothic cooking rice…
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>>788439>i wanted a swimsuit so i told killstar, they sent it with a hand written note
No wonder she's so spoilt.>i bought a towel ages ago, bc they didn't sponsor me back then
Wow want a medal. Plus why does killstar still sponsor her, she openly treats her hoards like trash?>>788697
Kek this cow has milk for days.>omg I'm so rebellious cos even bAd GuYs can't stand me>I'm the apocalypse, i only date freaks>but i don't want to date>my therapist said soulmates aren't real>but-but love is beautiful, i want love and i want it magic and special
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She's a proud bulemic
The fucking shoop on that stomach!! Calm down.
There’s no milk on her other than being a horrible mother and self absorbed.
Can’t we put her in her own thread?
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While I'd love to see her on her own thread, I disagree that there's no milk. The relationship hopping, narcissistic personality, blatant lies, drug use, and a mom that is exactly like her, all paraded in front of her kids? She also ebegs and has been on a rager about why do so many people follow her but no one gives her money to help her out when she needs it (followed by her showing off her new snake and a car). She posts here and there about wanting people to buy her things, plus she's another self-labeled "goth" who completely isn't. People have been posted for way less milk than this cow has and I say she deserves to be shared
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Context: Jackie Cruz from OITNB is the new face of a kvd beauty mascara and people are rightly up in arms about it.
It’s hilarious that KVD claims that the matter about Rafael’s daughter is a private and intimate issue when it’s her own husband that spread this info around in articles, interviews and stuff.
So this adult and parent shares everything on the internet, and exaggerates most of it, like a tween who gets ignored at home. This is hilarious. "i almost am never intellectually stimulated" we can tell.>>788775>running theme of those types of cows being in the "goth community" I wonder what it is that attracts them in?
Cows like Kady might think, since its an alt subculture "normal" rules don't apply so they can be freely milky there.
Cows like Kaya and Bishop use goth looks as a personality to pretend to be interesting.>>788777
Kat, where did the person you're replying to bring up Nazis? So bringing it up by yourself seems off.
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What a great role model kek
They still send her shit because they couldn't care less how she treats the outfits after she makes the haul videos, that's what matter to them, the exposure they get from this videos>>788715
Why is it weird to see mother so in love with their looks? Why specially mothers? I'm not even a mother but find it really weird someone thinks this way.>>788774
Oh my god, this bitch is so delusional! She's one of the best altcows we ever had. She reminds me of Raven.
I think she doesn't need her own thread, posting her here seems appropriate, she's a new cow, people have to be interested first before she gets moved.
It's hilarious that she thinks she deserves people sending her money when she doesn't even produce any content, even if it was shitty like TT, IBF, etc>>788777
Whaaaat? Is there any mention to nazis or germany in this person comment… am I crazy?>>788778
Yes!!! Give us all the Kady Rae possible, I'm already more interested in her than the same old cows. But people, let's try to be careful, her instagram account is private, so if a lot of people start requesting to follow she may be tipped and close all our access to the milk>>788802
This bitch is super fucking proud of her daughter, who is a child, acting like a catty, petty, ratchet adult. Imagine how this child feels about the other children in her school. You shouldn't feed this kind of thought on children that have absolutely no idea of the difference between "I don't really like this colleague" and "hating a bitch". Why is she even telling this child about her boyfriends' exes? If she is asking is because Kady always tell her. God, I hate her already>>788775
Because they like the dark look, don't know that goth is a subculture, think it's just being like one of the characters that are mistakenly presented as goths
So mentally ill attention seeking bulimic edge lords are attracted to goth because…they like the dark look? Thats a half arsed assessment if ever I saw one and pretty detrimental, the community deserves better than that.>>788790
Now you say it I agree,this seems more like it although different in ways I now understand the connection between them and adorabatbrat, dorian and the others.
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She's a scratcher too. I've known this trainwreck for years and have been waiting for her to pop up here. Her wall is so full of guys that she thinks she loves you can't even tell them apart. She freely bashes people for doing exactly what she does, and she blames BPD for literally everything. She's a mess
Adora finally hooking up with him? She just strings him along because she enjoys him being so obviously into her. Her Fb said he sent her the ticket to come visit him in Switzerland. Who does that if not having ulterior motives? He is definitely going for her!
Sireplague divorced last year. They made a big official statement about it. They sure have something going on! She seems popular lol
I'm hoping for Coalcandy tho
>>788409>Mainly this. I am dying for milk from the new cow but people only replied "her facebook profile is open, theres plenty there"
Ibf's and TT's are too and here we are, endlessly talking about them. IBF isn't even active anymore
Well me personally, I don't really use Instagram and Twitter so YouTube is the only place I'm on and in the alternative side, IBF, TT, and Jake are the ones who are brought up a lot within the scene of how great they are for it from their mindless fans who will eat up anything no matter how dumb. >>788538
What video was this on? Nonetheless, I'm happy more people are speaking up and getting out of the kool-aid.>>788651> I remember I laughes out loud when she and Mathias reacted to some of these dumb 40 years of goth this and that, when they saw the trad goth revival (or something) look she said "I like to think I had an important influence on that" and in the deathrock revival mathias said that they were taking inspiration from him. That's pretty much what united them, both think of themselves as uber trad goths
Lmao I remember that comment she made anon. It was so inflated, as if she did. The Trad Goth & The Deathrock revival happened in like 2009-2010+ when there was an influx of new Goth & Deathrock bands coming out onto the Goth scene. THAT is what inspired that, not them.
That's exactly the point: the community deserves better than this but they don't care, don't know, and it's okay for them to auto include themselves in something that is NOT at all what they think it is. Or do you think they are really into actual goth? They pretty much think goth = dark edgelord.>>788829
I bet the scratch work looked great
after 8 hours of almost passing out from the pain. Especially when you're doing solid black work, that requires pretty insistent scratching of the same place so that it looks solid, with no places where the ink is weaker than the others. Imagine how this black looks after it's healed.>>788908
The first deathrock revival was earlier than that, in the early 2000s, when it got that "classic" shredded pantyhose, lime green, neon purple, eyeballs on huge deathawks look. It kinda merged with Horror punk in this point of time, which was super popular up until 2007 than disappeared of the face of the earth
Hold up anon. She might be onto something. I pretty much exclusively listen to goff, but I have enjoyed some Fuck The Police every now and then, occasionally some Cardi. But I recently heard Twerk by City Girls FT. Cardi B and I broke my back to that shit. Shit is straight FIRE
. I now consider myself rap goth. If you are a rap fan who disagrees with me, you are an elitist, gate-keeping neo-nazi. Rap is whatever you make it, uwu. >>788187
Kaya's a weeb. I think she wants to do sweet Lolita but is kinda fat so she hides her fatter bits in black which is automatically goff, as we all know (thankfully the cows have educated us evil elitist boolies).
kek she looks awful here! Her boyf/husband was cute though.>>788651
Well Kaya did do the "goth gardening" shit so it does seem like she just slaps "goth" in front of anything and everything she does. It just screams insecure poseur>>788675
the line is off center AND angelina's is natural as a result of having full lips, not fake filler ones. what a dumb cunt.
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OH her kids are going to be wonderful
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I hope so because we don't need more people like this in the world
R/thathappened for literally everything she posts. They're full of cliché edgy stuff. Does she wake up with a mental check list every day? "Oh haven't pretended to be a ###rebel in a while, better do that"
Wonder if it's just for posts or if it extends to how she acts IRL too…
No, it was a joke. Did you think I was serious? Damn.>>788984
I think most of the cow's kids are going to be "normies" and actually have legitimate interests unlike their parents who're only pretending to be alternative to mask how boring they actually are.
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Oh hi Kaya #2
Nta but rap goth uwu is real – the Bishop girl, and her friend mysadboiaccount who gets personal goff guidance from her.
And yes Bishop likes some goth songs too, but her whole "schtick" on social media is omg haha I'm not like other goths they hate me idgaf #edgy.
Her whole persona is based off other people's opinions and shocking them but she also turns around and says, but i don't care what you think! Wut?
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Someone's having bad day
Perhaps this is horrible of me, but am I the only one who would like to see Jake and Bish0p date? They're both mallgoths and attention-whores, they'd be a great couple. >>784494>Stop it already, it's getting more ridiculous by the day. Why do they want sooo bad to be labelled "goth", of all things? It's like they fight tooth and nail to be included in something they don't even understand! Where do these people see that being goth = cool?
Because frankly, the media always portrays goths in the most pathetic way, like we are ridiculous, silly, immature, etc etc
I don't understand the obsession either. Goths don't like them, and we have nothing in common with them. I also noticed none of the cows have goth friends. They mostly hang around other poseurs while sperging about invisible elitists.
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Oh look, she’s coming back. Wonder how long it will take for her next video
For it to be joke, being funny is a requirement.
Anyway, yeah, they're probably going to be normies because they'll associate being alternative with being obnoxious like their parents. But wouldn't it be great if one of them grew up to be a proper goth, or an "eLiTisT"? Kek>>789021
Jake, you have depression, this is one of the number one symptoms. You did not have a bad day, you always act like this, today you were so unbearable that you finally noticed. Go along with Kaya seek some treatment, for fucks sake, your lives will improve, you dumbasses!
>>789065>Because frankly, the media always portrays goths in the most pathetic way, like we are ridiculous, silly, immature, etc etc
>I don't understand the obsession either. Goths don't like them, and we have nothing in common with them. I also noticed none of the cows have goth friends. They mostly hang around other poseurs while sperging about invisible elitists.
Have Goths been talked about in media in recent years though? I don't watch TV anymore so I haven't been up to date with news and the only "Goff" trend in media I saw was years ago when Buzzfeed did those "dressing as Goth" videos (eugh… The cringe was strong with those lol).
And you're so right, I noticed that these "Goffs" don't have any Goth friends nor do they seem to hang around other Goths. For Toxic
Tears & Jake, it's obvious that they don't because actual Goths will see them for the poseurs they are though with It'sBlackFriday, I think it's because she knows if she's seen with other Goths, the attention wouldn't really be solely on her as much. >>789080
Question: "What did you do with all the money that you got from your first wedding that your fans donated?"
I'm curious to see what people are going to ask but it's probably just going to be vanilla stuff.
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It finally happened
“Goth model” with sweatpants…
>>788912>The first deathrock revival was earlier than that, in the early 2000s, when it got that "classic" shredded pantyhose, lime green, neon purple, eyeballs on huge deathawks look. It kinda merged with Horror punk in this point of time, which was super popular up until 2007 than disappeared of the face of the earth
Which only proves that it was 00s >>deathrock remake<< rather than >>revival<<, dang they even sound distant from 80s USA goth bands.>>789130
Not bad photos actually.
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>>789065>am I the only one who would like to see Jake and Bish0p date?…They'd make a great couple.
Sure, if he's into DDLG. She said in anoher q and a "ddlg is me and how my relationships work."
That old bitch will never stop being dumb. That’s what she lives off. I wonder what the fuck she does for a living, she must have gotten a lot of money from the divorce. She got to keep the old apartment anyway.
It’s oretty obvious that she has been banging Simon all this time, who knows, maybe that’s why the husband divorced her. To me it seems so weird that they’re always taking these trips together, that have been to Simons parents summer house ( with her children even), that she’s always posting these things implying that they have something going on.
I don’t think he’s doing all this for friendship and even if it was at first, i doubt that this bitch visiting him in his dorm is just there as a friend.
Adora is fucking ridiculous, 46 year old bitch who has never even had a real job and thinks banging dudes 25 years older is cool. Poor kids who are starting to grow up to see the shitshow that her mother is.
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No wonder she relies on her stupid filters
Holy shit that skin… that hairline… that blown out terrible tattoo
I’m speechless, this is so bad
I expected nothing less. 100% trailer trash edgy kid.
Im not a tattoo artist but I've done some stick n pokes on myself and even they're better than that muddy mess on her arm. fix yourself up girl, damn.
How does this bitch think she’s gods gift to mankind??
Blech, and the amount she talks about sex… it’s a fucking nightmare.
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If you think that's pretty you need to get your eyes checked
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The amount of oversharing is staggering
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I think if Avelina wants to be goth or talk fashion… lose the biker style and learn how to spell fuchsia. Fucking hell.
He can't just fucking go on holiday, he has to>booking another trip as soon as we get home>need to learn Spanish to really communicate with the locals
He really wants to move to every country he visits huh. They don't want you Jake
Yeah, she looks awful in this pic but in others she looks good, so idk>>789384
Oversharing AND lying>>789399
I hate this "ungoth" shit. There's a lot of goths who have a biker-ish style, in a more 80s, 70s way. Avelina look more like early 2000s trash hoe who dates a biker dude>>789408
Completely agree with you. She's only super latina when it's convenient. Dude, not wanting to give your newborn every new vaccine for the flu is okay, but for fucks sake, the really important ones are not a matter of choice! Fucking measles, mumps, etc etc etc your child will die, you stupid fuck
"I'm not telling anyone if I'm vaccinating or not" WTF? WHY vaccinating your child has to be this polemic?
caps for those of us who don't have fb? >>789408
watched a few reaction videos and comments were all over kvd trying to imply that her 'latina heritage' meant she couldn't be anti semitic, lel. then trying to throw ami under the bus for assaulting her. like if that happened it's shitty but that story had no place among the other topics. her not being able to look at the camera was such a huge red flag she might as well have just released a statement instead of doing the video.
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Just seen that he only back from hoilday now he's off looking for money for other shite video for band so he with two other fools doing 12 hour but look price he wants it's get crazy everytime these people who gives this needs help good god his music and band are shite
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oh, thought there were ones related to the striped sweater pix. this one on ig gave me a good laugh.
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