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No. 730576

Ft.
It's Black Friday
Toxic Tears and her fat, chav boyfriend
Adora Batbrat
Sebastian Columbine
Kat von D
Drac Makens
Angela Benedict

With possible mentions of:
Of Herbs and Alters
Erin Micklow
Jessica Lovecat/imastaythatbitch
Snowy Lowther

Last thread
> ibf mooches off of fan in Ireland
> ibf tweets about why her and mr. owl can't have a baby
> kvd vaccine drama
> kvd's tacky wedding
> drac is making yt videos again
> of herbs and alters quit drinking and left their abusive ex and are doing better
> Sebastian likes bdsm but is asexual
> sebastian and her bf breakup over her sexuality
> adora divorces husband and seemingly abandons kids to go party
> adora is sleazier and more of a "shock-value" attention whore than ever
> angela claims she doesn't get paid for her cheap, Chinese clothing hauls
> snowy dropped the goth look to look like her irl friends
> erin micklow is still tacky and will never be punk, despite letting discharge slap her ass
> jessica lovecat continues to be an autist and get back together with her physically abusive, cheating husband

No. 730588

>>730576

> Sebastian likes bdsm but is asexual


which is nothing out of oridinary

if she gets sexual satisfaction out of this that hovewer would be another story

No. 730598

Is there actually anything new about Sebastian? I remember that she said she will post a video about tge break up?
Does she actually still identify herself as “not a girl” (like in a video title)?

No. 730613

Why is this thread #5? should it be 10?

No. 730628

I can't believe Jake's band is called Munro..I mean, I can believe it because he's so self absorbed but I can't believe that the other band members would go along with that

No. 730632

I'm watching Jake and Kaya's twitch stream and Kaya got donated £400 on twitch.
can we please post this to Jakes recent vlog to show all their deluded fans that they don't need to feel sorry for them because they do better than most people with jobs

No. 730884

>>730632
They stream 3 times a week? That's about £1200 per month…more than a lot of people make working full time.Are they paying tax and NI? I wonder if they are registered as self employed..

No. 730885

>>730884
*per week even!

No. 730896

Sorry to state the obvious but regarding IBF pity party tweet about not being able to have a kid til her and Barnaby settle down.. her lack of self awareness staggers me yet again ..it is HER that needs to settle down..she was the one who left him and NZ..if becoming a mum was her TOP priority in life she would have booked her flight back to NZ already(so she can leave as soon as her divorce is sewn up in Germany)..yes, she hates NZ but I seriously doubt it is hell on earth living there.. When a person is truly in love being with their partner comes first not what ( first world) country you can live in and build up yr " underground celebrity" status in..

Or if he Doesn't want a kid and she does..find a UK goth to marry if you are so worried about yr ticking clock..

No. 730934

>>730884
yeah I highly doubt they pay any tax and they probably still get welfare as well. believe me, they're doing just fine..they want to move house because they have too much stuff, how privileged can you get

No. 730976

>>730884
They get £1.2k a week?! That's £62k a year before tax. Are these guys for real? It fucks me right off when dicks like this don't work a proper job and get paid a wedge. It's stupid.

No. 731008

I don't think she is lying. Chav, TT, IBF don't have jobs but ang has a proper job. She said she knew she was gonna lose subs when she did the snowy video and gives stuff away. I dont think she cares about money.

No. 731074

Deets en emilie autumn? I know that is dry milk but I keep reading everywhere how a cow she is.

No. 731122

>>731074
its dry milk, the only "news" about EA is that she's been having severe jaw problems and thats why her music career has faltered. iirc she had her jaw wired shut and was on a liquid diet for over a year. it's possible that her bad posture in playing violin has led to her jaw problems, but thats not really milky.

No. 731127

>>730934
If they're in the UK there's no way they receive benefits (welfare) if they have that kind of money coming into a UK bank account. DWP (Dept of work & pensions) monitor that shit. They'll also inevitably pay tax on it.

No. 731182

Does Toxic Tears even listen to goth music…or metal? Or anything like that? She really doesn't seem interested in much more than clothes and asking for money to get more clothes. I'm not an expert on all these people, I'm gonna read through some of the old threads. She's just one of the ones that seems to be here to hoard things.

No. 731218

>>731182
She claims to be goff, but as far as alt things go she is only interested superficially. This is why she's a hoarder, and a laughing stock.

No. 731245

>>731182
She listens to a heap of 90s pop. Anime type music stuff too

No. 731375

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>>731074
She's selling 50 'limited edition' "One foot in front of the other" handmade pendants for $100 each

No. 731378

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>>731375
The caption. But she has made a few posts about these on Instagram

No. 731404

>>731375
This looks like some Pinterest craft store DIY nonsense. I refuse to believe anyone forked over $100 for one of these things.

No. 731405

>>731404
this is how the invisible hand of free market acts in practice

No. 731409

>>731404
Fandom gonna fandom.
Well she would probably earn more by selling used panties anyway.

No. 731413

>>731375
The picture frame charms are 5 for less than £3 (cheaper wholesale) and a meter of velvet ribbon would be less than a quid.

No. 731418

>>731413
>Time and "personal magic": Priceless

Aka charging you because I touched it. $95 for touching it, $5 for materials

No. 731431

>>731418
$5 is very generous anon, more like 2-3 per item at most. I know the prices cause I make jewelry as a hobby and I even have the exact same bails, they cost a few cents on AliExpress, frames and ribbons aren't much more as the other anon mentioned. I hope no one's falling for this shit. Don't know who that cow is but holy shit, what a scam. And we were complaining about TT's hair accessories.

TT doesn't really care about goth music, she sometimes mentions or plays the most known songs by the sisters of mercy or joy division as far as I know but she doesn't have a deeper interest and probably only does it for extra goth points/to avoid being called a poseur.

No. 731440

>>731375
Did "if she sells all of them some" math. I'm a jewelry designer, an amateur etsy one, but I've made ones like hers many many times so I know the pricing.

The total amount of made $$: 5,000 dollars.


Cost of supplies (as found on etsy which is more expensive but I don't expect Emilie autumn to know about buying on ali express, as she isnt a crafter by trade, and not very business savvy)

Ribbon: 50 meters for 19.75$ ( from hongkonglostfound)
Frames: 20 frames for 11$ ( from rosecounty) so total is at most 30$


Cost of supplies: 30$

Per necklace supply cost: 1.70

Labor time: .5 hrs at 15$ per hour so about 7.50$ each to cover labor at a "fair minimum" wage.



So final cost per necklace? Slightly less than 9.50$ when you include labor at 15$/hr and if the supplies were bought on the most expensive platform to get them wholesale. A whopping 89.50$ in profit per necklace.
Approx time to make each one, maybe 30 mins? I'm rounding high to make for easy math, but tbh I don't it's more than 15 20ish minutes per necklace.

No. 731450

>>731431
I wonder how they both even went into that aesthetics in the first place without any interest in any alt genre of music beside some mainstream metal and later djent in case of him.

No. 731453

>>731440
K, but what's the point in overanalyzing this case, beyond the fact that she charged more than producer charges for for example Motorhead logo dildos? No one forces anyone to buy or pretends these things are durable precious meisterstück.

No. 731536

>>731453
I think just because those of us who buy materials/supplies online know how cheap it can be. The "artistry" of writing a phrase on white paper(?) is definitely not worth the money.

I dunno if there's anything new, but on alt music cows: The woman from dresden dolls famously got her whole band to work/tour for free while taking the profit for herself. I wonder if she's up to anything now.

No. 731619

>>731450
I mean I don't remember alt look to be too profitablet in times around theend of '00s. But mayby that's just my twisted perception.

No. 731854

>>731450
I think Kaya used to be one of those chicks who wanted to appeal to normies as a hawt mysterious gawffik angel, kinda like vampannie. They're like an anon in the previous thread was saying, some kinda freakshow that appeals to normies. Kaya is fat now and doesn't seem to like attention as much as she used to, so I'm assuming she's still pretending to be goth because she gets money that way. As for Jake, he loves attention. He's just too much of a chav to get it correctly, so he spends time on IG posting pics of his butt cheeks and pubic hair lmao

No. 731881

>>731536
I haven’t heard much about Amanda Palmer since she had her kid. But yeah there’s was a bit of news about that with her ‘just ask’ or something ted talk, which was basically ‘people are happy to do things for me’ I’m surprised she was able to tour that long without paying people

Sage for no real milk

No. 731918

>>731536
Living off Neil Gaiman's income and fame most likely

No. 731991

>>731918

She's writing an album, has put a lot of stuff out on Patreon and has a big dedicated fanbase. Literally just did a run of sell out shows in the UK with Dresden Dolls. Really not living off his fame at all. She gets a ton of income from Patreon anyway, doesn't need to ride on his financial coattails.

Saged because Amanda Palmer milk is nonexistent

No. 731993

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how TF has this cow not birthed yet

No. 732002

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I forgot to post this at the time, but I see Kinashen has realized how much she fucked uo with the editing on this image and deleted it, so here you go

No. 732003

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>>732002
Nice waistarmzip Kinashen

No. 732005

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>>732003
This newer pic has some very sharp, jagged areas where they have brought in the body and then tried to sharpen the blurred areas/cut and paste jobs

No. 732017

>>731993
Coz the baby knows that it's not going to stand a chance against all of the potentially deadly viruses and disease it's idiot mother isn't going to vaccinate it against. The poor thing is probably hanging in there on a grappling hook.

No. 732081

>>732002

her PULL thread has some old pics and minor milk, she's so obviously fake I can't believe big brands like Killstar are reposting her and doing photoshoots with her.

No. 732083

>>732081
To be honest, she is where Wylona Hayashi should be right now.
It's almost sad.

No. 732200

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Is he for real? His body isn't even cold and he's using Stan Lee's death for more clicks. Haven't clicked myself because it's so transparent.

No. 732201

>>732200
Jfc, what a piece of shit. this is a logan paul type low.

No. 732203

>>731993
She's huge. damn.

Also, she's so damn irritating with her 'so excited for my pregnancy' fakeness. she's doing it for attention. I dunno why she hasnt been cancelled yet. I use Sugarpill and support them, but it bothers me how all the employees still openly use KVD even after the anti-vaxx stuff.

No. 732207

>>732200
he's just trying to sell his tshirts and using Stan Lee's name as clickbait

No. 732230

>>732200
I watched it. I watched it for you, anons.

>still doesn't know how to drive

>claims to weigh 170-ish
>got a killstar haul, they'll be a hoarder couple soon
>won't even pretend to support kaya's craft stuff
>claims Stan Lee influenced him, despite never mentioning it before
>Kaya said "Stan is alive right?" before his death, omg guys it's a sign
>"these vlogs are too good for me to just post one a month"

Nope, Jake. You filmed another boring average day, like most of your boring average vlogs. You'd expect more from someone who calls this their job.

No. 732231

>>732230
Samefag, there is a shameless plug for his pins right after the Stan lee speech.

No. 732251

>>732230
thanks for the summary! what a fucking ass, his vlogs were never that interesting and the only ppl that are interested in them probably have less of a life than he does. couldn't be bothered to listen to the reason, but he's made what i think is an ig for his fashion called munrostlye (it's private) and i wonder if that's where he'll be posting him wearing the stuff he gets in these hauls.

No. 732450

>>732200
Jake drags Kaya along to take pictures of him for his "photoshoot" but can't hide his boredom when she wants to go craft shopping.

It seems like he's saying he sensed Stan Lee dying or some shit like he's some super fan just because he liked a Spiderman game for the PS2

They're also traveling again in the next few weeks. You'd think they'd be trying to save up to move into their new house

No. 732470

why is the thread nr 5 and not 10??? this is super confusing

No. 732475

>>732200

He did something similar when Chester Bennington died. A shitty cover of one of Linkin Park’s songs. Jake is truly a trash human.

No. 733154

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I don't understand what's new about this?

No. 733158

>>733154
Kaya basically never growing up from her skinny edgy teen days really gives you something to chortle about because mentally jake and kaya are the same damn age.
Jake just wants to flash his junk online and be revered as the hot goff boye who wears makeup and relive his glory days and Kaya is doing exactly the same thing trying to conjure her pink cyber outfit as they both stay pudgy, yellow teethed and crusty.

No. 733185

>>733154
I am so sick of seeing that outfit.
she gets so much free clothes all the time, there's no reason for her to keep wearing this hideous outfit

No. 733210

>>733185
Right. It looks like something you'd buy at a sex shop. The harness makes her look very matronly.

No. 733243

>>733154
I think Kaya has this idea that she's cute or something and not a gigantic, thick grown woman.
this type of clothing doesn't suit her at all.
I can only imagine what she would look like walking down the street in that get up

No. 733251

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>>733154
I knew I saw this shitty outfit somewhere. It was posted in The Confetti Club thread. what is with this kind of outfit look.

No. 733264

>>733154
Can't claw my eyes out quick enough. That whole outfit is horrendous, does she really not see how awful she looks? Imagine seeing a grown ass woman wearing that… you'd think they just escaped a mental facility. Dress your age for fuck sake Kaya.

No. 733282

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This is the outfit she decided on

No. 733313

>>733154
she wanted to put ripped tights and those hideous fluffy legwarmers wit this, and a bunch of junk in her hair. like why pile all that stuff on, it just makes her look chunkier. less is more ffs.

>>733282
that same fucking hoodie, clashing pinks and dress that doesn't look like it fits, girl what are you doing. as another anon said, she gets sent tons of clothes but they aren't seen beyond the haul videos. what's the point in even having them if they just sit around getting musty.

No. 733346

>>730576
I love how she criticizes Liisa's video for beings so short and calls herself a fellow "film maker" when she can't even be bother to attach photos to her videos of the articles of clothing she describes. Since she is sent so much clothes, she should shoot her own goth fashion through time video even though it would never compare because her videos are so low production quality. Then again I doubt hers would be any good either since she only seems to know how to do her makeup one way.

No. 733398

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another pic
"all dressed up and nowhere to go"
nice to know what Kaya wastes all her time on

No. 733414

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Kaya's face when the postal man delivers her new killstar promo pack

No. 733430

>>733346
Opens with "I invented react videos for goths"..
We dont care. "I am obligated to do these videos now"… wow that was pretty egotistical. One thing that annoys the fuck out of me is that shes so repetitive in the one video. When you say something once like "there could have been more tgan one outfit" we get get it. And if your fumbling because you can't string a sentence, edit it. It is also annoying and not endearing. Afterall…. she is a film maker lol.

No. 733465

>>733282
Okay but I love that coffin suitcase. Anyone know the brand (probs killstar?)

No. 733486

>>733465
Yes it’s killstar (it’s TT what else would it be)

No. 733530


No. 733550

>>733530
and this https://www.bitchute.com/video/xI6aY6CYKjs/

Pointing hypocrites and dumbfucks among goths in these videos is truly brilliant

No. 733551

>>733530
and this https://www.bitchute.com/video/xI6aY6CYKjs/

Pointing hypocrites and dumbfucks among goths in these videos is truly brilliant

No. 733555

>>730576
>>733551
If you're going to self promote at least keep from posting the same link twice.

No. 733558

>>733555
I'm not an author of these videos I dont even live in USA. I posted same link by a mistake

No. 733559

>>733558
or it's a bug, I remember this imageboard has some issues with multiplying posts sometimes so nothing to be blamed on me

No. 733566

>>733346
She barely makes videos anymore. She can’t call herself a film maker when it’s only hauls and reaction bs twice a month

No. 733651

>>733414
Isn't that IBFs mother?

No. 733657

>>733530
>>733550
Who's this middle-aged, overweight tryhard? I'm watching the first video and it's so….cringy. Are you the same person from the last thread who got into a huge argument about ~*PC culture*~?

No. 733668

>>733430
I think she's repeating herself and dragging it on on purpose, so the video would be at least 10 minutes long in order to reach better rankings, which means more revenue for her. Supposedly, Youtube rewards videos that are 10 minutes long or longer because they keep people on YouTube longer. These videos are given slightly more priority in rankings and suggestions.

No. 733672

>>733530
Yeah, because people posing with Bernie Sanders banners are automatically communists. Does this person even know what communism actually is (and what, for example, socialism is)? Doesn't seem so. Thank you for making me lose a few brain cells by watching this stupid video.

No. 733673

>>733346
>I like to call them ~*opinion pieces*~ not reacts
Get off your high horse, it's a react. Girl has no substance. Where are the films and books you're making?
Instead of giving life direction you ran away to London and didn't even vlog aka your job.

No. 733674

>>733672
He spends the first video trawling FB for people 10-20 years younger than himself to argue with, trying (and failing) to trick them into appearing in his videos so he can mock them, while the second video is just him shilling his friends (most of which look just as crusty and dusty as himself).
The intros with his awful, self-written "parody" music and awkward clips of his musty-looking hambeast of a wife stripping are the cherry on top of the shit sundae.
This guy seems like a flake himself, honestly (and a latent cuckold to want people to see "his woman" [sic] that badly, tbh).
I don't know what world such a person can be considered "brilliant" in.

No. 733675

>>733651
Speaking of her, i wonder what she thinks about her daughter wanting kids this late.

No. 733716

>>733346
I felt quite dumb watching this. Like, we literally just watched a video of a woman watching another video. And if she really wanted to state her opinion on the video she could've just commented like most people, but of course, she has to get money for her opinion. What more do we expect from the ~*goff kween*~?

>>733657
That anon always posts these tryhard autistic people. That dude has no actual political beliefs, he just whines about muh ebil commies, while he harasses mentally ill teens-young adults on Facebook.

>>733674
He reminds me of Shoe, faux liberals/egalitarians who secretly (not really tho) want to be right-wing. He's (whatever his name is, plz don't tell me) a cuckold, and Shoe dated a black guy, has a DDLG fetish and pretends to be bisexual so they won't be accepted. They probably cry every night. SAD!

No. 733844

>>733674
Well, he is doing exactly the same thing you are doing here, so what's the matter?

>>733672
Well, he concentrated on self identifying communists. Some of them do happen to support Sanders. About the difference you mean that socialists would get shot 1st as a reactionary element after communist revolution?

>>733657
He does not look overweight TBH. He has so skinny arms.

No. 733980

>>733844
>Well, he is doing exactly the same thing you are doing here, so what's the matter?
Nope. Unlike your unhygienic cuckold king, we're not 40+ men who argue with teenage girls and young adults who don't even do anything bad or particularly remarkable besides having political views.
We also don't big up cringy spergs who "aren't afraid to wear MAGA hats, so fuck you!1!!!1" (kek). Stop filling this place with trash, no one here likes or agrees with your autism.

No. 733992

>>730896
If she can't make up her mind on something as essential as knowing where to live, who to marry and what to do for a career then honestly I'm actually hoping she's not lying about the early menopause.

She's too self-centered to be a half decent mom.

No. 734099

>>733980
nice sperging, yes what you do here is were much similar, even if you are a female and younger than 40+ (yout obsession with age seems to point out you are around eraly 20s MAX, at least on mental level).

>>733675
why does it matter?

No. 734105

>>733980
>who don't even do anything bad or particularly remarkable besides having political views.

supporting political system that led to deaths of aroun 100.000.000 is nothing remarkable?

Well they are exactly like nazi goths - they would be among first to get killed by death squads when their dream system comes to power

>Stop filling this place with trash, no one here likes or agrees with your autism.


That's not true, so speak for yourself.

No. 734138

>>734099
>>734105
How is what we do here on an anonymous imageboard similar? You don't have to have an obsession with youth to notice that it's pathetic for 40 year old men to target and attack young women who are still learning about politics and aren't actually hurting anybody all because their views get him buttblasted. Sorry.
It's also funny that he won't touch "Nazi goths", and tries to convince us that nationalism and ethnonationalism are two totally different things (even though he angrily insists that communism and anarchocommunism are totally the same thing in his first video).
>That's not true, so speak for yourself.
Point out one person who responded to your "brilliant" posts positively.

No. 734147

he looks horrible with that make up

No. 734150

>>734147
He'd be a pretty good model for those shitty Halloween makeup products you see in Walmart tbh

No. 734158

>>733980
Thank you, well said.

I'm really tired of this robot who keeps posting his "political" bullshit here for some reason and shilling for the alt-right. Either he's trolling or he's seriously trying to agitate here, which is bizarre. At least go back to the Tradthot thread where it's at least slightly on-topic (even though still cringy as fuck) and stop posting this nonsense here.

No. 734165

>>734147
So he stuck an outfit video into another of his vlogs. At least he did a better job than TT.
But, I don't get why he makes vlogs. People usually film interesting stuff, he just films himself going on errands. Yawn.
And kek the "please subscribe please" caption at the end.

No. 734428

Just gonna leave this here

No. 734459

>>734428
Being IBF seems pretty great. You can travel all the time, you're just free to go any time because you don't have any real responsibilities like a job, you never have to consider anyone but yourself for your hobby of going wherever the f you want because you're most important, you don't worry about money because cash cows give it to you on patreon or they give you shit from your Amazon wish list, you can claim to have terrible anxiety but still do international travel on a whim, you can fuck shit up and be forgiven. Honestly a sweet deal.

No. 734467

>>734459
It's like watching people teach english abroad for a really long time. Getting to live somewhere foreign is wonderful, but what do you do when you get older and don't have a permanent visa. You're years behind career wise so you will never make as much money, which is a bigger deal if you want kids or to retire or own a home. Also, honestly doesn't seem fun to me to have to scrape by every month on patreon handouts. Even if you're stuck in a retail job with no degree or career prospects, at least the pay is more consistent.

No. 734469

>>734138
Communist goths and nazi goths are both groups of dumbfucks. I don't see anything controversial in that.

>I'm really tired of this robot


"That robot" is at least two people, so stop behaving like an NPC with your mantra about "no one gives a damn someone supports far left but we do give a damn if someone does not bash far right 24/7" and such sperging. If you are so left leaning you refuse to accept that your views are not immune to criticism we have bad news for you - they are not immune. Exactly like views of racist antisemitic pricks are not immune. And we happen to discus at least a one example of such behavior in the past and no one protested. But when someone brought to the light some far left supporters you started your screeching about "bot". Far left is exactly as retarded ideology as far right. Grow up and get over it.

No. 734518

>>734469

"stop behaving like an NPC"

end your life please

No. 734542

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And scam people with your chav boyfriend.

No. 734581

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>>730576
The fact that emo faggots and lolitas call themselves "goth" only proves how utterly retarded and ignorant they are.
Fuck off conformist pieces of shit

No. 734600

IBF is shameless..she will need cash from her patreons to cover the expenses with divorce paperwork and especially with trying to become a permanent resident of UK/Scotland..this is NOT cheap and UK government turns loads of ppl down unless they are millionaires or at minimum can prove a sizeable income..doesnt matter that her grandfather was Scottish, non "refugees" often have to get legal representation to get into "paradise" ..expect a cash grab..she will offer her novel on subscription and do more ebegging/ overtly sponsored videos.Hope her patreons are waking up and throw her off the gravy train..

No. 734613

>>734147
>he looks horrible with that make up

at least he did one goth thing in a long time

No. 734624

>>734459
She has no purpose. She'll wake up one day and be a youtube hasbeen.

No. 734630

>>734542
Kaya is super snotty when people ask her this.This girl was being nice as well

No. 734649

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Kaya actually payed to rent out out place to have a photoshoot and this is the photo she makes.
that pose. how was she ever an alt model

No. 734657

>>734649
wow such an unflattering pose
Also I didn't know tacky 90s emo fashion was back. Complete with striped arm- AND legwarmers!

No. 734663

>>734649
She looks uncomfortable af

No. 734669

>>734649
She really needs to drop this "pink perky goth" meme, it's embarrassing and tacky as all fuck. She can't put together a decent, flattering outfit with that scheme to save her life, and she's nowhere near cute enough to make tackiness look good.

>>734469
You're such an NPC that you'd unironically link us to this >>733530 cringy bullshit and call it "brilliant" because it uses buzzwords that make you feel safe and special, and it targets those evil, terrible young people whose opinions don't line up with yours. Maybe if you'd link some actually decent, milky content and not a low quality video of some middle aged man attacking random teenagers on the internet, and praising other middle aged people who still have the minds of teenagers (much like himself), people wouldn't tell you to piss off. Nice job not actually addressing anything I said, either.

I didn't even say "I'm really tired of this robot" anywhere in my own posts, but I agree with that wholeheartedly. No one ITT ever brought up politics except you. No one gives a fuck except you. We are here to laugh. Go back to whatever echo chamber you slinked out of.

No. 734686

>>734669
>You're such an NPC that you'd unironically link us to this >>733530

Did I? How do you know if it was me? Maybe it was not? What is your evidence?

>No one ITT ever brought up politics except you.


That's not true. There is at least 2-3 other anons that did. So quit your sperging just because in real life not everyone agrees with your political views. Most goths are both anti far left and anti far right. If you have problem with that I suggest shutting in your basement and not coming out of it. Or growing up.

No. 734688

>>734686
>Y-You don't know it was me!
>I'm not the one sperging, y-you are!!
Just shut the fuck up, holy fuck.

No. 734697

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The alt-right ESL autist screeching at people aside, Snowy stays going back to her normie life. Alt fashion always looked like a Halloween costume on her.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqVPCQQBo3F/

No. 734709

>>734688
>Just shut the fuck up, holy fuck.
said the one who continues and continues own senseless sperging over the fact someone dares to not agree with you

>>734697

>alt-righ


yes, being anti nazi is so alt-right these days. Ah wait alt-right means being against alt-left, right? Damn even center-left is alt-right nowadays.

>>734697

>Snowy stays going back to her normie life. Alt fashion always looked like a Halloween costume on her.


And where is the milk about that?

No. 734712

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>>734657
I would not say that costume has any particular subculture vibe.

Well stripes are generic punk fashion element since the '80s with so called trad goths included.

No. 734713

>>734669
She's trying to be a "bubblegum goth", it's basically pastel goth 2.0 but with a different name. As for the apolitical edgelord boomer derailing, just report the posts.

No. 734716

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>>734713
That reminds me of when Kerli was pushing that "bubble goth" thing for a hot minute in like 2013. It wasn't even really working for her back then, honestly, not sure why TT thinks she's made different.

No. 734758

>>734428
Her vlogs are so low quality now. And the excuse is nobody had makeup on. So? The vlog is about the place, not you.
And wtf:
>you need to be a patron if you want to know my moving plans
Literally charging people to tell them her plans, how conceited.

>>734459
Yeah it seems cushy, but she has to work to be likeable or the free shit disappears.
And with all her running from responsibility, she seem less like a ~goff kween~ and more like someone in a mid life crisis.
I'm waiting for the shit show when she tries having kids.

No. 734796

> angela claims she doesn't get paid for her cheap, Chinese clothing hauls

Any other milk on Angela? I haven't been able to find much anywhere online. She seems fairly nice and knowledgeable.

No. 734801

>>734716
>Tim Burton emailed me twice

No. 734848

>>734649
the whole outfit is wtf tier but that hoodie is so misplaced, surely she has a black cardigan or jacket she could've worn. the knitwear could also be ok with an all black ensemble, but all this stuff together is just a mess.

No. 734884

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I had to see it so now so do all of you

No. 734885

File: 1542657641912.png (486.23 KB, 567x556, twat.png)


No. 734888

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bonus picture of Jake's gremlin girlfriend

No. 734895

>>734885
Wtf is the context for this

No. 734898

>>734884
>>734885
And you was obviously forced to watch this?
Where is the milk in it BTW?

>>734888
Yawwwn… appearance is not a milk hun(infighting )

No. 734908

>>734898
contribute or move on, damn

No. 734911

>>734908
It's the same sperg mad that nobody liked his "brilliant" #Goths4Trump posts. Now he's just coming here to attention whore and bitch.
You can always tell it's him from the shitty English. Best to report him for derailing and ignore his BS.

No. 734975

>>734911
I liked it. So take your echo chamber somewhere else. Side note - I don't like far left and far right equally. So don't even try to call me "alt right".

>>734908
Yes, this thread lacks any serious contribution. "Look she is fat" or "He made naked session" is not a milk.(stop derailing)

No. 734984

Can't believe Kat von D's baby is still riding it out. Probably trying to make sure they have to go to a hospital or end up tried for endangering a minor and possibly manslaughter. She's being dragged in her IG comments by other self-righteous flakes for using a half-wool blanket.

>>733282
I could see a thirteen year old happy with this look, but someone as bloated as she is shouldn't try for cute.

>>733398
That doesn't look goth, that looks like stage three syphilis.

No. 734998

>>734649
That's a great look - for preschoolers. Her only job is fashion "content" so why is she so bad, and why do her fans love it?
>>734758
Yeah IBF is slacking, she's busy with moving. This time though it's very quiet, maybe cos Germany was a shitshow. But maybe face your problems instead of running off, Freya.

Oh and unless it relates to the cows, can politics anons stfu

No. 735003

>>734713
I remember hearing "bubblegum goth" back on the early 2000s internet. Pastel goth didn't come around until Tumblr.

No. 735012

>>734984
Someone asked KVD if they’re going to document everything about the birth and Kat said yes because she wants to normalize natural birth.
Does this bitch think she’s the first person ever to go through pregnancy and have a natural birth? Why is she forcing the concept that everything she does is anti conformist and special?!?

No. 735070

>>735012
Natural birth doesn't need to be "normalized", what the fuck lmao. Women get WAY more shit for wanting a hospital birth, epidural, C-section etc. than for using a midwife or birthing center. Some people are so bitchy about it that they'll even claim you're not really a mother if you don't do a natural birth. This bitch is delusional.

No. 735149

>>735012
>Why is she forcing the concept that everything she does is anti conformist and special?!?
For the precise reason that she knows she's not.

No. 735204

>>734885
What is the context here? Why is he filming himself in the shower? What comes next - Jake filming himself on the toilet?

No. 735427

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>>735204
This what will happen next. Just without it being tt under him.

No. 735435

>>734428
I wonder how mr owl feels about her plans to move again? This latest video only proves she’s trying to get her legal documents together and harass another country. She’s so selfish I swear, like someone else said every decision is made with the thought of her « happiness » at the forefront.

No. 735449

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Just when you thought her “photo shoot” couldn’t get any worse. Are both tt and Jake stuck mentally into thinking they’re thin and hot? How are people commenting that this looks great?

No. 735458

>>735449
They're definitely regressive. How many times is she going to wear that outfit? She's nearly 30 she could still be goth and wear flattering styles, if she learnt how to actually style herself at her age no one would say boo to her about her style. It's how not put together and childish she comes across that has little kids feeling brave enough to heckle her.

No. 735468

Jake on Twitch right now talking about their Japan trip
"They paid for everything…I felt like such a big shot"
"It took me a few days to acclimatise to being given everything"

currently asking for $1000 in donations for their 'spaces'

Sweet, sweet irony

No. 735491

>>735458
exactly, this makes her look really stubby and i'm sure that's not what she was going for. the legwarmers and jewelry is so tacky and idk what that expression us supposed to be.

jake's not much better. his latest style vlog or whatever was just full of layered all black outfits that didn't seem goth or any of the other labels he put up.

No. 735503

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>>735449
Kaya always said she wished she was small and cute like PeachMilky.
I think she's going through some midlife crisis right now and trying to make herself look young and cute but it just comes off as bizarre and an eyesore.
I think she wants to fully wear cute pink clothes but she knows it'll be the end of her youtube channel and her followers will leave

No. 735510

>>735503
I don't think she'd lose followers honestly. Most people seem wildly supportive of the pink phase on Instagram.

She should just go ahead and change the style, her personality is more suited to the PixieLocks sort of audience anyway (boring cutesy rambling, interest in trinkets)

No. 735597

>>735503
TT's isn't a midlife crisis, it's an identity crisis. Doesn't help that she is so superficial. I think she only sticks to goff cos it's her "thing".

Now IBF is in a midlife crisis. Wants a home and maybe kids, yet runs from her problems to another country…again. You're either going to run out of countries or eggs Freya.

No. 735673


No. 735676

>>735597
Yeah I think her time expired in Germany. The government finally caught up with her so 'divorce' is also a nice way of smoothing over the embarrassing truth. I don't think she really cares… why would she in the first place if she married for status, festivals and to climb her way to being at the epicentre of GOTH. Which btw it's not… but you've got to expect that is her mentality, so what's new? Mr Owl is obviously dumb enough and loves her enough to allow her freedom to be HAPPY (whatever that means) and this talk about babies and whatever garbage she can spew into a 10 minute rant, is all she's got. I don't think she does anything for the subculture, let alone for herself. Travelling and seeing bands gets old. So will she. If she wanted to go back to NZ she would but she's going to stay the hell away from there (because it's dull as fuck) and keep floating. Book? Please. More talk, more bs and more money she's trying to squeeze from people who think she's interesting. There's nothing more to tell… she's 'as good as it gets'. Next.

No. 735685

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>>734888

nice cosplay, kaya.
she even has the witches hat.>>734888

No. 735860

>>735685
Don't do the witch of the waste like that, she at least made something of her life compared to layabout Kaya.

No. 735888

Title: "goth is dead, new goth music is a figment of your imagination"

No. 736005

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IBF did some close ups in her new vid, and yikes

No. 736060

>>736005
Oh good lord. You'd really think with as much experience she has doing almost the same look every day she'd be at least decent at doing it now.

No. 736087

Haven’t watched it but title confirms lurking.

No. 736112

>>736087
Of course he lurks! How else is he going to be able to feed his ego? Then he can claim “I get so many messages saying this and that” when really the chav is just referring to here

No. 736189

>>736087
Spoiler- he deletes the comments to help his FANS.And the poor bastards are actually for this BS and thanking him for it.Since when ade people who have different opinions to him 'trolls'?
I really hope all their young and naive fans with these disposable incomes eventually grow out of these two wasters.

No. 736190

>>736189
*falling for

No. 736214

>>736087
Only Jake would think that people pointing out how much money he makes on twitch and YouTube etc is hate comments.
The only reason he deleted comments is because he wants his dumbass fans to keep giving him money for nothing.
Every one of his vlogs is pure shit, it's not even worth watching to laugh at how cringy he is

No. 736560

>>736087
>I-I can deal with hate, I only delete them for you cos I'm a good person.
Lmao get a grip Jake. You delete comments to protect your ego and your image. Stop projecting insecurities onto your subs.

No. 736565

>>736560
Samefag but forgot to add, Kaya told him he wasn't "eating enough" and that made me chuckle. What is enough to them?

No. 736708

>>736005
Clock the feral nails

No. 736940

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So after a year, she finally got off her ass and tried to fix the attic. Thoughts?

No. 737076

>>736940
looks sad af. did she finally realize no one wanted to crowdfund her attic?

No. 737113

>>736940
This looks awful! Wtf is this? Truely shows the amount of effort she puts into anything with her life.

No. 737227

>>736940
This is just sad. She has funds from Patreon etc but it's obvious she didn't spend a penny here. YT is your job, put in some effort.

No. 737511

>>736940
I think it also shows her lack of creativity. Apart from it looking dingey and depressing, there's nothing interesting going on. She's had so many people send her things and give her decor….. where is it bitch?

No. 737596

>>737511

Seriously. With all the shit from subscription boxes, killstar, and other companies, the least they could do is dust and touch up the paint. I won't even hate on the sheets on the walls but at least hang them better. There was even a wall tapestry in a Spooky Box.

No. 737629

>>736940
She worked on this for a year? It's 0 effort. She even did a "house items" haul recently, none of the items are there.
Also, where does she keep haul hoards generally? Kek maybe in the attic, and that's why it took so long to hang some shitty drapes.

No. 737785

>>737511
The amount of times she is filmed eating out, you'd think a can of paint and some surface spray was affordable.

No. 737789

>>737785

Misread that as eating the paint and was like Daaaaaamn Anon.

If she painted it herself it would look just as shitty as that garden

No. 737817

>>736940
wow, this actually bummed me out. At least put some pretty stringlights up. I hope its a WIP.

No. 737855

>>736940
This looks really cold and depressing meanwhile Jake gets an entire room to himself with proper furniture

No. 737915

>>737629
For real, Jake posted a vlog of fixing the attic a year ago. Dunno what she's been doing this whole time…Oh yeah, wait. Wasting money on junk food.

No. 737919

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>>737915
Samefag, got screengrabs of what it used to look like. Yeah they did shove their hoarder junk up there.

1/2

No. 737924

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>>737919
2/2


They show a bit more in the vlog, but these were the best (worst?)

No. 737966

>>737924
I wonder if their landlord knows about that mess.
I'm guessing they moved all that crap to the sitting room like Jake said and that's why the need to move to a bigger house

No. 738011

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Adora uploaded a new photo of her and her "boob-holder".
At this point I dont care about her naked breasts or pictures of her doing it. What really pisses me of is her lying about her boobjob. Somebody aksed if they are natural and her response is "yes" which is obviously a blatant lie.
In one of her videos you could even see surgery scars.

(Repost because I accidentally uploaded in the old thread)

No. 738012

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That is NOT what natural breasts look like. And, damn it, there is nothing wrong with getting your boobs fixed if you feel you need it and I'm sure three pregnancys did their magic, but why lie about it? She could just ignore the questions like she ignores the comments about her ex.

No. 738013

And while I'm at it: This is such a weird and cringy picture to upload. Her smiling in the front while her ex stands ignoring her in the back looking cleary uncomfortable. Whyyyy would anyone upload this except you think your followers are stupid?

No. 738029

>>738013

Don't post her kids.

No. 738036

>>738029
That is a picture she uploaded on her official and public instagram. Would it be better if I censored it? Can try to delete the older post.

Edit: I am not allowed to delete it..

No. 738066

>>738013

She looks like Janice from the Muppets. Which is an insult to Janice and Muppets.

No. 738113

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>>738012
Still not 100% sure..
I mean, her boobs from 2000, before the kids, looks same to me. She did once say she uses both push bra and make up. And I've watched Ru Paul's drag race enough to know what make up can do for boobs!

No. 738135

>>738113
I've seen her admit to having them done before. She likes to play with words and skip around questions

No. 738147

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>>738113
This is an old picture of her where you can see the difference. Even in those old pictures where you can see her push up bras there is a huge difference to newer pics of her.

No. 738162

Does anyone remember Kill Natalie? I remember someone asked Sebastian in an ig live if she’d known what happened to her, & Sebastian claimed that she heard Natalie had commited suicide before crying at the thought of what would happen if she herself had died & left her followers in the dark about it

No. 738214

>>738113
You have to be a man or are literally retarded if you can't tell that they are fake as fuck in this picture >>738012

No amount of make-up or posing will make your natural saggy breasts defy gravity and stand up like two, hard balls.

No. 738244

>>738214
I agree they have to be fake, but they’re definitely not “naturally saggy”? I’m not sure if you were referring to hers as saggy, but I would say they’re naturally really firm and perky, just lower on her chest if anything

No. 738286

>>738244
The fuck are you on about??
Re read the comment.

Adores tits are fake as they come and if you can’t tell they’re fake… fucking wow

No. 738296

>>738147
She looks really cool here I like this style I hate how she looks now it's like she gets worse as she ages. She looked better flatchested imo too.

No. 738395

>>738296
I don‘t think this should be about personal preferences in boobsize or -shape, but about her lying. She is constantly making shit up from her perfect marriage to her boobs and probably everything in between.

Remember her pictures she postetd from inside a white room where she had light therapy because she felt constantly tired? That was so weird because all the other posts were about having sooo much energy and being constantly super happy.

No. 738408

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~what some of you plebians call braxton hicks ~

No. 738412

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>>738408
Srs tho?!? What is this circlejerk movement of being so anti science that you won’t even use the term named after the doctor who discovered practice contractions? What’s so cool and edgy about that?

No. 738414

>>738412
I literally gave birth 5 days ago and the second-hand complete embarrassment at Kats behaviour is stronger than ever. The whole freebirthing gang is fucking disgraceful.

No. 738415

>>738408
Whenever I see rich Americans doing all this Mother Earth shit it makes me cringe. People in third world countries would literally kill for the support and knowledge you have access to. Don't get me wrong I think doing it as naturally as possible is great, nature designed female bodies this way for a reason, but there's a limit. "Practice waves" lmfao

No. 738416

>>738414
Congrats anon! Hope you enjoy motherhood.

No. 738482

>>738408
The baby is STILL not here? He's probably hanging on for life in that crusty womb.

No. 738632

>>738414

Congratulations! Seems like only yesterday I had my baby and she's nearly 8 months old now.

I don't understand why these hags think a few internet articles and books about NaTuRaL pArEnTiNg and woo equate to anything like being more knowledgeable than midwives or paediatricians.

No. 738835

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Oof Kaya looks rough in her new video. Like a middle aged mum got dressed by a clown.

No. 738855

>>738835
Wow. This is just a scary train wreck now. The hell is she thinking? No wonder jake flirts with everyone but her

No. 738973

>>738835
man its so wild seeing self proclaimed ~classic gawths~ adopt and integrate this pukey pastel lolita aesthetic into everything they do now

its like seeing the sceneXqueens from the early 2000s that are now kardashian clones on instagram

No. 739147

>>738416
>>738632
Thank you babes!! Id almost like a crunchy woo parent thread in OT for the likes of kat and all the others.

No. 739205

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Oh I don’t know, isn’t he your fucking fiancé?!?

No. 739390

>>739205
haven't they been dating for years now? you'd think she'd know what he actually likes by now. they're the token internet gawff couple, she could get him something cliche like her blood in a vial for him to wear around his neck or something equally as stupid and internet points worthy

No. 739447

>>739390
I think she's trying to gauge what her fans want to see, so she can put it in a clickbait video. Not the first time she's exploited an SO for views.

No. 739514

>>739205
As useless as tits on a bull

No. 739580

>>738835
why is her lipstick so smudged, is it supposed to be on purpose? she also looks like she has an eye infection.

No. 739710

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Not content with one free chair,TT is now begging for a second one

No. 739732

>>739580

>why is her lipstick so smudged


Why not?

>she also looks like she has an eye infection.


so she at least managed to do some actuall goth related makeup

No. 739735

>>738855

>Wow. This is just a scary train wreck now.


nice, that's what goth makeup is supposed to be, at least in this department she has a connection with a term she uses to refer to herself as

No. 739782

>>739732
>>739735
If she was actually going for that on purpose, you might have a point, but this is TT; she's clearly aiming for some kawaii instagram look and just failing at it. She isn't Robert Smith making a joke of how even Siouxsie couldn't get him to do his makeup neatly, or going for some Nik Fiend look. TT can only be Goth by accident.

No. 739914

>>739710
She's begging her subs to furnish her attic cos she's too lazy and stingy. Lmao maybe they can save this >>736940
Or just maybe TT should step up for once in her life. Leeches have short life spans.

No. 739928

>>739710
Queen Kaya wants to be given a brand new chair because her old chair is too heavy. Spoiled much…

No. 739977

>>739735

That shits not goth at all. It’s her failed attempt at looking “kawaii goth” with her lazy ass effort in applying make up. Shit, she couldn’t even adjust her lighting. It’s TT, she’s the most laziest person I’ve come across in the alternate online community.

No. 740097

>>739977
Well what can you expect when her fans are constantly praising her makeup "skills" lol

No. 740298

>>739710
get a job kaya

No. 740478

>>740298
Seriously. Like fine, if she can make enough to cover basic rent and food fine. But at least get a side hustle. Walk dogs, help out the local elders with grocery shopping, etc. There are things you can do that only take like a few hours to do to make a small amount of extra income. Because sooner or later her fans are going to get tired of her e-begging.

No. 740544

>>740478
It'll probably be later, they're as delusional as her.
One fan did a video on YT gushing about Jake and kaya, but it was like she was talking about 2 different people.

No. 740545

>>740478
It'll probably be later, they're as delusional as her.
One fan did a video on YT gushing about Jake and kaya, but it was like she was talking about 2 different people.

No. 740701

>>740544
Please excuse me while I vomit lol I'm just saying, her fans are like high school age to young 20s Right? Well I can't imagine them supporting her into her 40s.

No. 740802

TT confirms she's gotten Jake into hauls. How long until he becomes a hoarder too? Hes already as lazy and greedy as her. Match made in heaven lmao. Their house will become a tip.
The ones I feel most sorry for are their pets.

No. 740815

>>740544
please link that video

No. 740842

Kat Von D and her Natzi we’re both posting about how the baby would be here any day now a week ago/ posting about braxton hicks contractions and have been silent since. I’m assuming that means she’s given birth, but going a whole week without whoring out the kid for attention is out of character. I wonder if it was a rough birth.

No. 740883

>>739977
>>739782
thank-you, not everyone here is picking on her for the sake of it. am all for alternative fashion and like some of her makeup looks. that one seemed like she was eating, messed up the lipstick and just went with it b/c too lazy to reapply.

>>740843
wonder if they're doing it on purpose to build up the anticipation.

No. 740957

>>740842
You 100% read my mind!! Following their M.O, they would be publicly gushing about it if it was the magical vegan natural birth that they’re always touting about.

No. 741213

>>740842
I hope the baby is safe. Not for her sake, but because it's an innocent at her mercy and that of her fool husband.

No. 741221

>>740842
>and her Natzi

polannons GTFO

No. 741229

>>740815
It was posted a few threads ago. She's deleted it from her channel (The Big Bad She Wolf), but she seems to be a big fan. She was also in pics of when Jake TT and Emily did a meet up.

No. 741399

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>>740802

A comment on her latest haul video. I’m interested to see if she actually responds to this!

No. 741455

>>738162
Of course Sebastian only cries about herself lmfao. I hope that Natalie is okay though, I did really like her stuff.

No. 741519

>>740802
On the positive side,the outfit she's wearing is actually more flattering to her than the pink garbage. She's dressing more her age.

But she ordered a crop-top. They don't flatter her broad shoulders or her larger figure at all, and I actually feel like she recognises that, but can't say anything negative because she's shilling. Buying all the summer clothes now isn't going to stop her hoarder tendencies and her buying MORE summer clothes. >>741399 I hope this comes to pass and acts as motivation for TT to tidy her room and maybe clear out some of her shit. Instead of begging for stuff, she should sell off her excess crap.

No. 741539

>>741519
This. Maybe she could use the money for things she needs instead of wasting on clothes and then having to beg.
But it's a big maybe, she's so spoiled and lazy she'll likely keep begging.

No. 741677

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Yet another kill star haul. Nothing fits correctly and everything looks terribly made. Yikes.

No. 741689

>>741677
No one needs to see that… Why does she say she loves giving presents and never does a giveaway?. Or auction her unnecessary amounts of same old killstar clothing for something worthy? Its sad watching someone sit on the floor and open plastic bags. Freya has no life and is so selfish its appalling.

No. 741714

>>741539
Which is stupid because with all the shit she's accumulated over the years, she has more than enough pieces to use for multiple outfits and some left over to sell for some extra income. She doens't need anymore clothes and should instead be using that money on the things she actually wants like that chair and whatnot.

>>741677
Yeesh that is definitely not doing her any favors. I saw the title of the haul and was like "Pfft bitch, it's fucking Killstar. How is it any better or different than the 100s of other Killstar hauls you've done already?"

This is just sad.

No. 741746

>>741714
It's all black. All boring. All the same. Why does she even do these videos? The PVC looks awful and so cheap looking. I think she's deluded.

No. 741747

>>741714
It's all black. All boring. All the same. Why does she even do these videos? The PVC looks awful and so cheap looking. I think she's deluded.

No. 741766

>>741213
To clarify, I agree- no ill will torward the child. He’s going to have enough of a hard time with his upbringing and is totally innocent in this. I don’t want to hear that things went poorly or something happened to him, I was just curious.

No. 741817

>>741746
Honestly the all black isn't the problem, it's just how cookie-cutter it is. Like if she actually showed more of her creative side with thrift shopping and maybe even coming up with her own garments, it would at least be more interesting and personalized but no, we just get more of this basic stuff.

No. 741843

>>741677
It seems Freyja is much of a hoarder as Kaya. At least she wears the clothes, but with a film and book "on the way" this is what you splash cash on?
And though I've never seen her e-beg, I guess she doesn't have to. Fans support her Patreon even though there's no rewards smh.
But how does she deserve it?

No. 741849

>>741677
The video is titled "biggest killstar haul ever", but doesn't she title all her hauls that? She needs to move on.

No. 741851

>>741843
She mentions in the video itself that she doesn't buy these things - she gets them sent for free, and in return, she has to shill for the company.

No. 741856

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>>741843
Kek, apparently her computer ate her book.

>>741817
Pretty sure IBF is just a persona at this point, we'll never see her in thrifted garb unless it's old or something I guess, her current emo and normie fans want to see some OTT looks and costumey black clothes. Because that's all goth is to them, a costume or something edgy you do for the internet.

No. 741863

>>741851
All the more reason she should sell all that junk. She could make so much money that way. At least with her the clothes would be in good condition. Kaya on the other hand strikes me as gross and I’m sure her clothing hoard is filthy.
>>741856
How could someone be that dumb? I swear her and Kaya are the same. How does one damage that many files? I bet she works with cheap flash drives and doesn’t export them correctly. She’s learn so much from film school I see.

No. 741871

>>741856
the fuck who is so retaded and only has one copy of a project they ae working on for allegedly 12 years honestly she deserves it

No. 741917

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Some of the many comments about finances under IBF's haul video.

No. 742088

>>741917
It's bc at the start (00:55 in the vid) she says "some people" accused her of being bad with money. Lurking confirmed?

No. 742098

>>742088
Shes so boring. I cant even be bothered watching this.

No. 742228

It seems IFB is in a kind of bind where she might want to move on with her life, but this YT gig keeps her in a little money and clothes etc,and she loves those clothes and accessories. Posting these haul vids gets her free stuff. For now, at least, that's a comparatively easy gig and it will continue till her subscriber numbers fall. I feel like maybe, she's just in a holding pattern till that happens.

They are all the same but I do like that she models them and is straight up about her body, its limitations, and what she feels like she can wear and what she can't.

That PVC stuff does NOT flatter, it's incredibly noisy and annoying, and if there's anything she should do a giveaway with it's the one with the sleeves at the very least. She's never going to wear that. The "bardot" one maybe, it looks less awful on her.

No. 742313

>>741856
Ew you're probably right… Guess at this point, she has to dress in such an OTT, cookie-cutter costume instead of something personalized and unique (even if simple). I know that some people thought she was obnoxious but I honestly loved looking at the OOTD compilation videos KazlovesBats did because so many of her looks looked creative and personalized yet not so costumey but more artistic.

You know it's sad. I actually watched a few of Freya's older videos from 2-3 years ago and I'm sad to see that the feelings of admiration and wonder I once had for her had been sapped dry. Even her outfits back then before she became a 100% Killstar whore looked kind of nice like the look she wore during a casual day with Matthias.

>>741917
Fucking hell, that Shannon chick. Is she fucking serious? When Freya complains how she is low on money and it can be pretty tellingly with all the new clothes she keeps getting, it does affect the viewers since she's lowkey e-begging for more people to support her on Patreon. With fans like that, it's no wonder Freya has an inflated sense of self.

>>742228
I will actually agree her. As painstakingly boring and droll as she is these days, she was always one of the better ones who modeled the clothing in a mildly entertaining way. But that's the only compliment I'm gonna be shelling because aside from that, she's just boring and has been for awhile now.

No. 742329

I agree with all recent points about IBF..well said.She is a lifeless showroom dummie these days.

I can not believe some of her fans think she BUYS all this kill star stuff..how naive can they be???

It suits creators/influencers to have fans not knowing how it all works..so they can plead poverty and ebeg on top of their hidden income..IBF tells only PART of the story.She wants to keep her patreons income..by crying poverty.

The fact is she gets FREE clothes( which she can sell low key on ebay for decent money as it's branded stuff)..if she is BROKE she is hardly gonna keep styles like the PVC which doesn't flatter her.

She gets YT income/ Pateron income.She has lots of patreons.

All that haunt furniture in her flat is free( product placement..that creepy gothic homemaker Voltaire tipped her off about that gambit)

Plus income from people buying kill star or whatever crap she shills for via her codes/links.

What a lot of you tubers don't want their fans or the tax man to know is they get actual cash for shilling.. MAYBE killstar doesn't give her cash payouts…I can't prove they do.But I find it hard to believe they don't..same with Kaya and her endless killstar reviews..

Watch the videos from "pretty pastel please " about YT influencers "(I'm not a fan of ppp and her Japanese fashion hauls.
However, this series she did is super concise/helpful.I respect her honesty as she shills nonstop herself lol)
She explains in great depth how YT ppl get paid for reviews, especially comparison reviews which Raven has just done one..You do not have to have big sub numbers like IBF/TT to get actual payouts..so Jake as an example very likely got paid to front for that alt clothes company as well as new gear to swan about in..

All these ppl over on the Raven Sparks thread think she
pays for her over priced cheapie skull/ horror jewelry/phone cases..hilarious that on the thread anons keep saying Raven is broke,why is she buying over priced jewelry/ phone cases?..Listen up. It's free plus she likely gets a payout! Niche marketing influencers are well paid but want to keep it on the down low.

If killstar doesn't pay IBF cash to shill( unlikely) the bath bombs company and the snacks box/ witch box company did..bath bombs/snack subscription boxes/ witch boxes are pretty cheap to buy if you think they that ammmmaaazzzing..it would be crazy to whore yrself out for a box of 1 euro bath bombs and no pay out..

No. 742345

>>742329
in the end, being a sponsored unprofessional talking head has a lifespan. it won't last. they'll wake up at 40, be too old to get the same attention (other younger youtubers will be coming through) and they will have nothing. enjoy the free shit while it lasts, it wont buy them a future.

No. 742352

>>742313
Awww, she was skipping through the leaves singing "Nature". One of the most wilfully Kiwi things a person can do.

This vid makes me realise how much IBF's dialled back on her own personality and become cut off from others. She seemed so happy then. I hope this holiday with Owl works out and they work out how to be in a place where they can just do their thing.

No. 742466

>>742352
Nope, she's planning to run away to England. She hasn't said how long for but bc it's so behind the scenes I suspect she's fully moving.

>>742313
Yeah, why does she have so many Patreons? She doesn't give rewards like, y'know, you're meant to.
And I used to genuinely like in IBF too, until she became a sell out. Nothing wrong with hauls until that's all you ever do.

>>742329
This set up she has seems pretty comfy right now. It'll be a while before she changes.

No. 742675

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Jesus that caption

No. 742681

>>742675

>the fourth trimester


Does not compute.

Is the 40 days of isolation a veiled attempt by antivaxers to offset the risks of their idiocy?

No. 742720

I recently started watching these people. I don't know why I thought they would be different from mainstream YouTubers. In retrospect it was stupid. This subculture is also very image based, duh. It's not news to you but I just didn't expect so many fucking hauls jfc. That toxic tears person doesn't seem to care about anything other than clothes. I dont think she cares about any alternative genre of music. I was watching reeree and then suddenly I thought…wtf am I doing? I'm just watching her hoard shit. How many clothes and shoes does one person need. She doesn't seem to be leading some dynamic life to warrant all these things, IBF and her unflattering ever growing pile of things. Angela Benedict seems to be kinda interesting, but other than that…I can just watch Hoarders.

No. 742755

>>742466

Edinburgh is in Scotland.

>>742329

If you want to debate Raven's spending, take it to her thread.

And please sage your many opinion posts. Your writing style is easily identifiable.

>>742720

If you want to see an alt youtuber who is what these posers delude themselves into believing they are, check out Of Herbs & Altars. I don't understand why she is still in the OP since she is no longer milky.

No. 742789

>>742755
I second the Of Herbs and Altars recommendation. She’s dropped the ~genderqueer~ stuff as far as I can tell, which was the only thing making her milky besides being on disability and living with her parents - which… not really milk on its own. She’s intelligent and that’s refreshing.

No. 742829

>>742675
The baby in the full pic looks kinda big..is that what newborns usually look like? It already looks at least a month old.
Maybe the anons claiming she liked about how far along she was were right.

No. 742855

>>742720
Don't be discouraged. These popular YouTubers may be cows but there are genuinely good and insightful Goth or Alternative YouTubers who make content that isn't about hoarding shit. The thing though is that the Goth or Alternative channels that make insightful content that isn't about hauls or unboxing videos usually don't get popular unfortunately. But thankfully, they are just like every day people and have jobs or school so they don't need to rely on sponsor whoring like these big channels do (excluding Angela who actually does have a job outside YouTube).

Someone mentioned Of Herbs & Altars and I can agree with that one. I haven't watched her in awhile because she was becoming annoying with the genderqueer crap and when she was with her ex-girlfriend who I believe was poisoning her(?) but if people are saying she has changed and is back to her old self, I definitely agree to give her a try.

Some more channels…

Radically Dark ~ She's in high school but she's insightful for her age and knows quite a lot about Goth and does various topics about Goth.

LigeaRessurected ~ She mainly does reviews for Gothic Literature books, absinthe, and the occasional music. Not sure if you're into literature but on the off chance you are, you may like her stuff.

TheGothicAlice ~ I know that some people here find her to be a cow because she sounds pretentious at times but at the very least, she does offer something that isn't an abundance of haul videos. She talks about all kinds of things from Literature, films, & music. If you're into these kinds of things and don't mind people who aren't "LOL hyper", give her a try and judge for yourself.

SweeneyDeville ~ He talks about music mostly. Pretty informative guy.

Those are the only ones that come to mind who are regularly active but here are some who while not are as active, may be interesting to check out.

Accumortis ~ Another music guy, really knows what he's talking about when it comes to Goth music. He also shares a bit of his personal life.

Kai Decadence ~ He mostly talks about music and does a few OOTDs but he doesn't shill for sponsors. I think he's more active on his Gaming channel but yeah, he may be worth taking a look into.

Amy Nekrotique ~ She's a Rivethead and talks a lot about Industrial music. She has done unboxing and haul videos but thankfully, they aren't the majority of things she does.

Rose Nocturnalia ~ She mostly does various topics but admittedly, she hasn't been active in a long while. I just like her because she's very down to earth in her videos and hopefully she makes more but I do recommend her nonetheless.

And well… That's all I've got. Going through my subscriber list was actually depressing because the other Goth YouTubers I would've recommended haven't been active in 2-5 years, some even deleted their videos… Going through them, it definitely feels like the Goth side of YouTube was more active back then.

People like VampireLenoire, Victoria Fashen, This Is Raven, Thilda Beinhaus, Wednesday Aleen, Spiritual Crimp, & Zeroy Cruciatum. They've all just seemed to disappear and it's depressing because they did make some worthwhile content that helped break up the obnoxious haul videos that Friday & Toxic Tears were farting out.

No. 742905

>>742352
It's very obvious her video content quality has gone down a lot in the last year and her channel now just feels like a ploy for her to get free things. However, I think a lot of it is that without her ex-husband she has no life in Germany. So it makes sense why she's trying so hard to leave and go somewhere that she actually has friends and can speak the language. Idk why so many anons are against her moving to Edinburgh because it'll probably mean better content Personally, it doesn't bother me at all that she does sponsored videos or has a pateron since youtube ads don't pay well anymore. Plus, she probably made a terrible financial decision when she moved into two apartments right before the youtube adsense nuke. Still at the rate of effort she puts into her non promotional videos I doubt her channel would last for another 2 years.

>>742313
I think it's pretty dumb to critique her for dressing over the top as that kind of look is what draws so many people into the subculture to begin with, and what looks simple to you might look ott to someone who only wears t-shirts and leggings. While killstar designs are really corny, I don't think the aristocratic goth look she wears a lot is super common. Maybe I'm bias, but most "goth" girls in my local scene are the ripped fishnet tops and electrical tape as pasties type so in a way BF's outfits seem less flashy.

No. 742936

>>741677
I like her but she really went full “popped can of biscuits” here lmao

No. 742945

>>740802
Kaya keeps being a lazy fuck. Some of the videos of her trying on clothes vanished, so instead of filming new ones, she just leaves a message stating that she lost the footage. Imagine doing that in an actual job.

No. 742956

>>742855
Gonna add Cemetery Confessions to this list, if anon likes podcasts and discussions about goth as a subculture and identity in general.

No. 742970

>>742789

Dorian still identifies as gender queer but it's not the sum total of their being and is not an obnoxious snowflake about it. Dorian has written books, recorded albums, and vlogs more out of doors than in these days.

No. 743017

>>742829

That baby does look pretty big. I don't know how tall/thick cholo goth is to compare size ratio to, but the baby definitely has some chunk to him. Unless Kat had a 10lber at birth I'd wager the little dude is about a month old.

If she did have a giant baby naturally then RIP her vagina for a good minute while it heals.

No. 743040

>>743017
As much as I like the gossip about them, but the baby looks fine and age appropriate. Also not too big for a natural birth. There are a lot of countries in the world, where a c-section is only meant for a medical emergency and most women give birth naturally. Not every time you deliver a bigger baby your vagina explodes and not every time you deliver a small one it doe not tear. And even if you tear - in most cases you sew it up and fine.

What bothers me about the pics (on both their channels) is the father holding his delicate newborn with sturdy gloves and a grim face just to keep his edginess. Priorities, people, priorities!

No. 743100

>>742675
he looks like a giant douche even while holding his newborn kid

No. 743229

>>742855

I like Spooky Brandie and Two Broke Goths. Two Broke Goths has some unboxing videos but a nice amount of DIY and other videos. Spooky Brandie has nice vlog content with a small amount of unboxings. She's also a WWE fan so that's fun if you're into wrestling.

No. 743366

>>742905
The main issue I have with the haul videos is that is literally the majority of things she does nowsdays. Killstar is just… Eugh… I understand that people like it but after awhile, it just becomes a bit uninspired to see when that is the main company you're shilling for. The fact that she doesn't talk about the music or at least… SOMETHING other than clothes just makes me think she is a boring dull person who has no real interest. Hell, I'd rather hear her talk about her novel or share some books or movies she likes and just have a total nerdgasm. With the fanbase she has, I'm sure people wouldn't mind hearing her talk about something other than clothing for a change.

>>742956
Yeah Cemetery Confessions is alright I guess. My main gripe with him is that sometimes he makes Goth sound more complicated than it actually is. You can tell he was a philosophy major and while that's cool and all, there is nothing really Philosophical about Goth. It's literally a subculture born out of music. But if you can just sit back and enjoy the banter, his podcasts are pretty cool, I like how he features certain guests like Tara Vanflower from Lycia.

>>743229
Oh I forgot about Spooky Brandie, I've only see a few of her videos but she seems pretty interesting. I'd also recommend PushingUpRoses if you're into game reviews though in recent times, she's been reviewing a lot of classic 90s television shows and she has this "adorkable" way of going about them.

No. 743415

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Something that I found hilarious!!!

No. 743449

>>743415
I'm assuming shes going for edgy but the fucking derpy face is as you say, hilarious.

No. 743530

>>743366
Well, it doesn't look like IBF's novel is ever going to be done, because the document supposedly got corrupted.

No. 743804

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what is this look?
is this meant to be cute or scary? I'm actually curious

No. 743809

>>743804
She looks like the grinch covered in cotton candy vomit. God, that’s a terrible look. Yeeesh

No. 743827

>>743804
Didn't she do this in her last video too? Jesus. Branching out and being creative is great, but then there is this. How does she have modelling experience?

No. 743862

>>743804
>when yu dont know if u want to b a kandy kid or a klassik gawth

No. 743943

>>743530
Yeah I just read but she could still make a video about it. Maybe share what it was about and give a short little synopsis of it.

>>743804
She looks sick lol

>>743827
After seeing her modeling pictures above, I'm wondering this too. she looks so stiff and not striking at all lol

No. 744122

>>743827
She seems to record several videos at once, that's why she's usually wearing the same makeup and outfit in several videos. Looks like she's too lazy/can't be bothered to record more than once a week, if even that.

No. 744141

>>744122
She looks really awkward when showing clothes in hauls too, never uses her past modelling to her advantage. It's kind of sad.

No. 744215

>>743804
she looks like an STD

No. 744377

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Excuse me for the shabby edit but I wanted to include that morals comment. Since when was formula immoral? Kat just tries her hardest to make her choices superior to other mothers, this thinly veiled shaming is disgusting.

No. 744415

>>744377
the way this is worded, it sounds like she didn't feed the kid for two days because she hates formula that much lmao

No. 744434

>>744377
Not only formula is bad, breastmilk from someone who is not on plant-based diet is bad… I cant wait for next couple of years of her sperging about super-vegan, better than any mother in the universe motherhood. She will be one of those sanctimonious mommies with 'great' advices on parenting while shaming everyone else.

No. 744636

>>744377
If she's going to raise her kid vegan, that would be one fucked-up kid. Kids need to eat meat. You can choose veganism when you're older, but kids don't do very well with restrictive diets.
Considering she wouldn't vax that kid either, he's gonna be very sickly and even possibly die from something completely preventable.

No. 744645

>>744636
Not to WK but I know kids that are being brought up vegan and they’re doing just fine without meats in their diet. Just have to make sure they get their vitamins in and protein. Not sure if their vax status though.

No. 744652

>>744377
>i love how you put your morals before your baby's life

No. 744702

>>744645
Sure, but I think anon ment that kids don't take veganism that seriously and will rather have something they like/their friends are having in birthday parties, than bring their own lettuce.

No. 744705

>>744377
Putting your own deluded "morals" before your kids life, to keep that better than thou image going. What a great mother she's going to be. And as for dad Prayers, well…

No. 744751

>>744377
Two things:

Is checking blood sugar levels a standard procedure in the US? Here in germany it gets only checked if for example the mother develops gestational diabetes, in which case the baby has a higher risk at being born with diabetes. Considering her weight gain I think it‘s possible she had problems with blood sugar herself. (Gestational diabetes is developed due to pregnancy hormones).

Also:
It is normal that the mothers milk production takes a few days to really get going and it is normal that babys lose a bit of weight the first days because of that.

The problem with milk from a different mother is that breastmilk changes and for a newborn you would need a donor woman with „newborn“-milk.
But, fuck it, I‘m glad she didn‘t feed him with soy milk or let him starve due to ethical superiority.

No. 744766

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Well. At least she's calmed down from the pink.

>>744377
I hope she doesn't always put her super vegan needs before her actual kid. Gotta have something for her insta posts though, right?

No. 744810

>>744434
I can't wait till Leafar ingests his first bacon.

No. 744823

>>744810
I cant wait until he changes his name

No. 744832

>>744766
She's 100% going to be one of those controlling lifestyle mothers who demands everyone around her child confirm to her beliefs and make exceptions/go out of their way for her special vegan boy

No. 744853

>>744832
>>744810
>>744823
yeah you know how teenage always do the opposite of what the parents preaching.. he´s gonna end up at Epic Meal Time lmao

No. 744881

>>744377
Yikes.. How long will this kid last on this plant only /vegan based diet bullshit?? I honestly think this needs to be considered child abuse. she's disgusting

No. 744884

>>744832
How much do you wanna bet she's gonna be a helicopter parent?

No. 744981

>>744853
Yuuuuppp. Even Kat herself had a rebellious punk phase back in her day.. When teenaged Leafar rebels and wants to piss off his parents he's gonna go to Taco Bell and Chikfila instead of getting tattooes. Let's just hope he doesn't die of a preventable disease before then. Poor kid. His parents are nuts

No. 744998

Thoughts on Dorian's new video?

1 Night, 17 Bars: Is Xanax Really Worth Rapping About?

Of Herbs and Altars

Published on Dec 4, 2018

What xanax is really like, for the sake of taking this honestly very recreationally crappy medication off its ludicrous pedestal! For the love of fuck though, do NOT attempt to recreate this - I suspect 17 bars in a short time period could easily be deadly for some people; it's definitely one of those experiences that I was lucky to walk away from unharmed O_O I do have more to say on the subject of xanax rap culture & the specific drug taking it promotes, because there is another LARGE area of stupidity to tackle - I firmly believe drugs should be legal & we should be able to do with our own bodies whatever we see fit, but as an experienced dabbler, there are logical, harm-minimising ways to take drugs, & then there are the errors that cause endless unnecessary side effects. If you've got drugs in your cup right now, you might want to subscribe to find out why this is a Very Bad Idea!

No. 745026

Does Kat lurk here or were there comments on her post about starving the baby/formula shaming? She edited the breastfeeding post addressing what was discussed here with the usual "I'm not shaming anyone so don't shame me!"

No. 745060

>>745026
do you think no one else on the internet is looking at her nuttery or responding to her posts?

No. 745109

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/340760359

Here's Jake on stream between 1:01:00 and 1:01:36 saying he's not begging because he actually delivers. Wrong. Conveniently left out Twitch and how many times he and Kaya didn't deliver on those $500 video 'goals'. Might as well be honest and start a fundraiser while sitting and talking about the same Disney, Harry Potter, and Kaya's miserable displeasure of Jake's humor and music taste (Isnt creative and extremely boring with a mopey silent face most of the time). The fans mostly echo her feelings and are ignored if either of them are not already talking about it themselves relevant or not. At least it isn't just metal covers of children's music. I wonder if Jake was as childish as her in voicing his opinions of her taste in music or she pushed him there. As with other reoccurring subjects. May never know.

No. 745186

>>744981

Totally. His parents are covered in tattoos, so no way he'll rebel by getting tats. If anything he'll probably become a straight edge carnivore or something lol

No. 745220

>>744998

Actually didn't mind it, first 20 min is a bit much, drug story with the thing. But then we get to the why it's bad part, the influence it has, the drama right now and how the drug abuse actually works in reality to the lyrics.

For a kids don't do drugs vid it fails a bit in some ways, but as informative and a bit frightening and rather funny it gets an ok. But then again I like that shit.

No. 745221

>>744998
Dorian has such unique experiences I always like her stories.
I'm kinda terrified of her too, since she does/did A LOT of stupid shit. I envy her vitality. With all the drugs and anorexia and shit… I wish I would be so resilient.

By this point after the whole trans-girlfriend thing is over, I don't think Dorian classifies as a cow. Unless a person who honestly talks about past experiences with drugs/ed classifies as a cow.
I follow her on insta and she's been nothing but delightful, she seems to finally be out of her slump and doing much better, she's so full of energy and happy in her insta vids.
I sound like a complete WK, but I really don't think she will be giving us any milk soon.

On the topic of xanax, she's right. SMost psychiatric drugs aren't really fit for recreational use and xanax is an overhyped fad that will be over soon and no one would remember.

No. 745227

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>>745026
Here’s the updated caption. She shouldn’t share her parenting journey if she keeps on backpedalling.

No. 745233

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That looks like she‘s going to devour him, but can‘t because he‘s not vegan.

No. 745235

>>745227
Why is she claiming that colostrum isn't milk, that's exactly what it is. It's different from what you produce later on but it's still milk, and it's generally balanced and in a high enough quantity to nourish a newborn without issue. I don't quite understand why she acting as though everyone else is stupid while spreading blatant misinformation. Just admit that you're a selfish hoe, Kat.

No. 745239


No. 745240

>>745233
WoAh that's embarrassing

No. 745241

>>745235
Right?!?!? Colostrum is the milk that comes in the first few days after childbirth that is specifically rich in antibodies to help protect that baby from diseases. So, not only was it normal but also crucial for Kat to just feed her kid with the milk she was already goddamn producing but her entire post about it was unnecessary and untrue. Fucking antiscience bitches grating my nerves.

No. 745245

I think this time I do get her. To get the babys blood sugar levels up you would need the „later milk“ that is not colostrum.
Have been through that myself with my little one. In my case we gave him a little bit of formula one time on his second day just for the blood sugar and than continued with breastfeeding.

No. 745251

>>745245
oh so colostrum wouldn't affect blood sugar?

No. 745255

>>745251
Mostly it is just not enough to have that influence. Colostrum is awesome, but you do not produce that much - sometimes its really about drops. Of course, when blood sugar is not an issue you just stick to it, because it feeds the newborn and is really powerful stuff. After a few days the „normal milk“ kicks in and in a higher quantity.

I would guess little Leafar was given the donor milk parallel to Kats colostrum.

No. 745256

>>745251
Colostrum is more protein dense and contains much less lactose (sugar) than breast milk does.

No. 745298

>>745233
SHE'S STILL PREGNANT???? that baby is going to stay in that womb cause it knows what fate it's gonna have

No. 745305

>>745233
holy shit put a spoiler on your vore, anon

No. 745312

>>745233
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK????

No. 745341

>>744377
Why does it matter if the vital breastmilk donor is a fucking vegan?


Please God make sure this child grows up LOVING steaks, sausages, fry ups, and also excitedly gets all their belated shots as well and hashtags it all over the internet. She really forces her awful opinions on everyone in a bid to seem superior, meanwhile everyone knows she is low class scum

No. 745382

>>745233
What a fucking moo

No. 745480

>>745233
I thought it was unwise to let the bigger animals off their leash?

No. 745492

16 moon boxes later and she still hasn't bothered with basic research into. There is a wand and all she has to say is "ooo harry potter".
I'm not even a wiccan pagan etc but jfc 16 boxes Kaya. Do you even use the products?

No. 745529

>>745233
Like, I know nothing about pregnancy but holy shit, is a nine-month belly supposed to be this big? It seems that at least two babies could be there

No. 745590

>>745529
Honestly, I think it just looks way bigger than it actually is compared to that tiny manlet. It's like an optical illusion.

No. 745628

>>745529
It really depends on the person, some women barely show throughout the entire pregnancy, others get huge. Women who are already overweight or gain a lot more than expected tend to look really big because the fat builds on top of the baby bump.

No. 745935

>>743530
Ahhhhhhhaaaahaaaaa jcf what a joke

No. 745937

>>743804
She looks stoned

No. 746775

What series of message boards was Angela talking about?

No. 747000

>>746775
Sounds like she's talking about Indi Summers who has been pissing off a lot of local and online goths by popping out of nowhere a couple years ago pretending to be the guardian and master of all goth knowledge. She's had plenty of run ins with Angela, but there's a few other babybats online pretending to be experts.

No. 747106

>>747000
Oddly, I recognize this name. Is she possibly a neo-nazi? I remember talking to a "goth" neo-nazi girl like 2 years ago, if it's who I think it is then she's definitely not goth, she's a black metal thot larping as goth. Don't know if she was kicked out of her local BM scene or what, any pics of her?

No. 747195

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>>747106
She doesn't have any racist affiliations I know of, she's from New York.

No. 747217

>>747195

That girl is a mess. Her Facebook is all about how great she is and that everyone abuses her. She's not from New York. She moved there from Georgia like 2 years ago and pissed everyone off and now she can't go out anymore. She started threads on FB saying that all goths in New York are drug addicts and alcoholics. The girl who wrote that book 'Some wear leather some wear lace' is from there too and she started a thread telling people to throw her book in the trash because it was a money making scheme. She tried to get this one club shut down because she said she was sexually assaulted there or something but said it on the clubs facebook page in this big negative one star review and mentioned everything else that she hated about the club.

No. 747224

>>747195
Sadly not who I was thinking she was. This chick is another one of those scene-kids, there to be seen and the music obviously doesn't move them in any sort of way, just a look to these types.

>>747217
Sounds like a real bitch, honestly, these girls are always so damn obvious but we can never say anything otherwise we get labelled elitists, gatekeepers, or cunts. Why would she try to get a club shut down because she was sexually assaulted?? How about trying to get that person arrested instead? Seems we have a new cow.

No. 747255

>>747224
IKR? If she was assaulted why wouldn't she get a bouncer or call the police? She says that she is sexually harassed or abused or something all the time. She was posting a bunch of things last year about another club in New York saying that the guy who has it is a rapist and posted an old news report from when he got pulled over for a DUI but it was weird because why would that prove he was a rapist?

She was pretending to be homeless and asking people to send her money on facebook but it was a scam. She said that she had no family because they abandoned her when she was a baby but her family made a reddit post begging people not to send her money. They said she's married and ran away from home with another guy she met from Las Vegas but took a lot of money from her family and then crashed 3 cars her they got her. She ran away to New York without telling anyone. She sounds like a spoiled brat that has a rich family.

No. 747297

Don’t know how you guys found her as all I ever find with her name is some porn star that has nothing to do with it.
I want to see the proof of this train wreck

No. 747302

>>747297
most of her facebook profile is public

No. 747319

Holy shit. It says she born in 1985 but talks like someone born in 2005. That’s too much trash for me to handle today.

No. 747321

>>747106
Hm… The only Neo-Nazi type Gothic looking person I can recall is an old YouTuber named Dreiiabat and if that's who you're talking about, I remember she was actually into Goth music, honestly she was one of the few older Gothic Youtubers pre It'sBlackFriday era who actually talked about the music. And the neo-nazi thing didn't happen until she disappeared off the internet and was later found with the Nazi paraphernalia

>>747255
Sounds like that one episode of Law & Order SVU where that one teenage girl was pretending to be homeless and claimed her home life was terrible until you learned that her family was actually wealthy and she had a privileged though scheduled life lol

No. 747324

>>747321
Dreiia's boyfriend and now husband was the one who drew her into the nazi stuff, at the time it was some nationalist workers party but they were just big fucking nazis, eventually they were kicked out of the community

No. 747326

>>747321
I was talking about some chick named Indi, she wasn't a Youtuber I used to talk to her on a chat site. She exclusively listened to black metal and hardcore, pretty sure she even recommended me a rad "goth" band called M8l8th, which is a militant black metal band. I guess I was supposed to know who they were, clearly I know nothing about BM kek. Didn't know who Dreiiabat was, googled her and her username occasionally pops up on some kind of alt-right site, might be her hubby/bf namedropping her.

No. 747327

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No. 747558

>>747324
Oh okay right. Yeah, I remember hearing about the boyfriend. I'm guessing she only became that way to please him or I would hope so because she didn't strike me as someone who was into that during her YouTube days. Then again, you never really knoenwhat goes on behind closed doors.

>>747326
Ah okay. Yeah unless it was the indi we're talking about and she drama5ically changed from a black metalhead to goth lol

No. 748569

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Oh goddammit, who’s this much of a dumbass?

No. 748627

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Someone probably has but you cry “elitist!” if someone mentions any kind of music that isn’t 90s pop?

No. 748632

>>748627
Oh my god, is she even a goth Jesus fucking Christ. Chelsea Wolfe is literally considered the queen of goths by a lot of people.

No. 748770

>>748632
>is she even a goth
No, she isn't.

No. 749242

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No. 749281

>>749242
How about washing the clothes then selling them? I understand they might be worried that if they started a giveaway Killstar might stop sponsoring them, but they can easily sell that stuff on sites like Depop or Mercari.

No. 749345

>>749242
Never in the history of goth has there been a more embarrassing and spoiled public figure. She has no idea what she's saying or doing. Ever.

No. 749448

>>738012
I think you're missing the point….. ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. She's laughing at the person asking her if they're real. Not the other way around. Adora knows what she's doing, she's old enough to get a kick out of her boobs or whatever. She doesn't give a fuck. At least she's open about it.

No. 750464

TT finally talks about why she spams hauls, and about the attic.

Summary:
>to fix the tragic attic i have to move my hoard, but there's so much i'd need to rent storage
Then stop hoarding?

>i get obsessed with something then drop it and the cycle goes on

That's the root of your hoarding right there

>has seasonal depression, hauls are easier when feeling low, doesn't like the hate

That sucks. Hope she can make a change (hey, she's not blaming doctors this time)

Imo if she realises her hoarder prob and self esteem stuff she could become less of a cow.
And maybe dump Jake while she's at it.

No. 750493

>>750464
>Become less of a cow

I wouldn't go that far anon lol She would still be a cow in my opinion because she still insists to call herself a "Goth" when she's the furthest thing from. Both her and her narcissistic boyfriend. It would be good if she gets over her hoarder problem for both her health and her living space but for her to truly leave the Cow moniker imho is for her to stop calling herself Goth and actually get into something that she's genuinely interested in. If she were to go to the Kawaii/Creepy Cute Alternative side for example, that would suit her better since unlike Goth, it's not a music subculture but purely just fashion. She's already made it clear she's not into Goth music so she needs to stop deluding herself. Nevermind that a lot of the things she talks about, she doens't know anything about from the Harry Potter stuff to Paganism or Wicca. Need I go on? lol

As to whether she leaves Jake or not, that's up to her though honestly, her being with Jake didn't really make or break her as I'd still think she was a cow even if she wasn't with him. It's more of an added bonus if anything.

But uh, that's just my 2 cents of course.

No. 750530

>>750493
Regarding her being a cow before Jake - but did anyone know her then? I think she started her Youtube channel when she had already been with him.

No. 750531

>>750464
Don't forget that's she's again promoting that stupid app that's supposed to help her "pay for the attic". Like the Patreon and Twitch money isn't enough.

No. 750601

>>750531
See, she's just full of it. That or she's very horrible with her money and has her priorities fucked. Didn't someone donate like $1,000 dollars to them once on a stream or was that someone else? If that wasn't her then my bad but if it was, she could've used some of that money for the attic. She's not fooling anyone.

No. 750661

>>750493
I wonder if she's actually into that kawaii "goth" stuff or if it's her trying to get Jake's attention. We all know he likes pastel puke alt girls, I really think she thinks her current style will make him like her more. As for her still pretending to be goff, it's like an anon in the last thread said, in 2018 goth to most people is just a fashion. It's why we have loads of posers at the moment, usually metalhead girls I don't know why they're all of a sudden "goth" I would think they'd know better.

No. 750707

>>750601
You’re right. Someone donated a grand so that Jake would shave off his eyebrows. I wonder, will they ever go on that graveyard date that their fans paid $500 for.

No. 750758

>>750493
Oh she definitely won't stop being a cow if she fixes her hoarding, but the hoarding effects some of her other milk too. Like being a lazy freeloader, and using "goth" so fans/brands send her stuff. And Jake just encourages all that lol. She even got him into doing hauls.

No. 750797

She left a comment on her own video with her amazon wishlist of stuff for the attic. This girl never stops begging.

No. 750928

Does something happened between Adora and Victoria Lovelace? They used to perform together in Asperger synthrome but in the latest concert video she is performing with another girl.

No. 750936

>>750928
Victoria moved to LA like a year ago to study

No. 751027

>>750797
Clueless

No. 751035

>>750936
And to abuse photoshop

No. 751036

>>749345
Are you trying to say she is worse than Ruda in that field? I doubt.

No. 751037

>>750464
Why doesn't she at least put some kind of heater to the attic so she doesn't sit there in the cold? Doing crafting in zero degrees Celsius doesn't sound very appealing and I wouldn't be surprised if she gets demotivated in like a month and stops using the attic at all. Also, in the summer, it's going to be unbearably hot there for a change, so yay, great concept.

No. 751060

>>751037

She said the attic has really bad insulation so I guess that's why… I swear there was a part in the video where she said she tried using one of those heaters and it didn't help because of the bad insulation but I'm rewatching the video and I can't find it now so I guess I just imagined it

>750601


I'm sorry but could someone please explain to me what the "500$ graveyard date" thing is all about? I read through all of this thread but I'm still a bit confused. I don't follow them on Twitch either.

No. 751070

>>751060
It was a scam.
They do "rewards" on the stream if you pay, like Jake shaving his eyebrows for $1000.
They said they'd vlog the date for 500, then didn't do it and just kept the money.

No. 751122

>>751036
>>751035
>>751027
>>751070

sage your non milk ffs

No. 751282

Not sure if it's just confirmation bias or if she's actually trying to say something but TT posted a selfie on instagram with a line from the song Vivica by Jack off Jill as the caption. She's a depressed hoarder with a horrible boyfriend who flirts with other girls and never respects her. I think she fits the girl described in the song lyrics to a T.

No. 751290

>>751282

This is an image board.

No. 751440

>>750707
Will It'sBlackFriday return the money fans sent her for her wedding to Mr. Owl years ago? There's your answer for that lol
But yeah, they have their priorities screwed if they really blew through that 1K already.

>>750661
Hm that's a good point, I didn't think about that but you may be right that she's using that aesthetic as a ploy to rekindle Jake's attraction to her but it doesn't seem to be working since he's a narcissist and she's too lazy to lose weight. Not saying that she should lose weight so Jake will pay attention to her but obviously the weight gain is depressing her so she should do it for herself. It's hopeless for her anyway since Jake is going to keep lusting after that Kelly Eden chick. And you're right, so many Metalheads thinking they're Goth because they wear KillStar or are into pop occultism. Can't wait for it to pass lol.

>>750758
Hm okay, fair point. And yeah, Jake is now on the shill train as well now lol.

No. 751538

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Am I missing something from the caption?

No. 751539


No. 751541

>>751538
isn't that the top liked pictures thing? He probably means he didn't know which pictures he expected to be the most liked, or it's sarcastic and they would all obviously be of IBF/him + IBF…

No. 751812

>>751440
Years ago…1k..already, lol. ! It’s really not a lot of money to blow through. Are you being sarcastic?
Yeah but they could’ve returned it when they didn’t get hitched. It’s not an impossibility.

No. 751847

>>751812
I don’t think you understand what kind of people Kaya, Jake, and IBF are. The point being, Kaya and Jake could have spent the money on useful things like actual decor for the attic or a better computer or camera. But no. They blow off their money on junk food then complain on how fat they are. They all are selfish, shallow, narcissistic, and materialistic. IBF is also a selfish narc who has already spent said money on her traveling expenses and also shit food. There is no way that she would EVER return that money.

No. 751929

>>751812
Pretty much what >>751847 said. I was merely saying that at the very least, Kaya could've actually bought useful stuff for the attic since Kaya always subtly bitches about it and keeps lowkey asking for people to buy stuff off the Amazon wishlist for her. Bitch, you had the money and should've done that yourself.

And exactly. It's clear where the money that IBF scammed from her fans went to and that was for all the traveling she did and she's obviously run out of a lot of it hence why she hasn't been vlogging in different countries/cities like she did back in 2016.

No. 752011

>>751541

Ah I see, thanks. I didn't know what he was referring to when they were just random pictures of him and ibf.

No. 752271

>>751929
Unless she uses transformation as a clicky title her views are not a reflection 9f her subscriber count. Its been about 4 years and shes dwindling because the drama is all over like we knew it would be. No one cares about the book… she is already over. Goth 4 lyf lol.

No. 752445

>>752271
True, it seems like any video that isn't a transformation or Reaction (?), she gets a fraction of the views and after 4 years, her channel is not all that worthwhile to continually tune into unless you're a person who has never seen a Goth before.

And yeah the book thing is a bit too little, too late. She should've made videos about it back when she was significantly more relevant. I mean hey, maybe there are people who still want to hear about it but seeing how Friday is these days, they never will.

No. 752463

>>752445
Unless her handbag extravaganza is also dead in the water. It seems there's a lot of hype and not much to show for it. If only these YouTubers could see past their own nose.

No. 752525

>>752463
Yeah what happened with that handbag thing? The maker also did it with Fat Fakens and Ree Philips, but they never spoke about it again afaik.

No. 752617

>>752445
And it's her own fault, too. It was bound to happen, she alienated her goth followers just to cuck to her new normie fans and they've already dropped her within 2 years. What next, "Big Tidday Goff GF Reacts To Totally Weird Video You Could've Watched On Your Own"? It seems all her videos that aren't reactions or transformations are hauls, how intriguing.

No. 752709

>>752525
IBF and Avelina talked about a line of products but nothing big happened, no surprises there. I think Avelina got bored and moved onto her next cash cows…some randoms un LA. Avelina is another fame whore.

No. 752710

>>752617
Yep and even the hauls after awhile will lose viewership, just watch. The truth of the matter is that if you come to the Goth side of Youtuber (the actual Goth side, not the mainstream pseudo-Goth crap), you're not going to get popular in the mainstream for it.

Friday was just too short-sighted to see that her tokenism as "That goth girl" to normies was going to die off eventually and since she makes insipid or boring bland content (the hauls), Goths won't be all that interested to watch her neither.

No. 752773

>>752710
she only ever wears 'brands'. that in itself is token goth from the start. she was always a poseur.

No. 752786

>>752773
And yet her fanbase use her as an example of troo goff. Yep kids, all you need is expensive clothes. That's what most of "goth tube" is these days, selling out to be relevant. At least IBF knows her music though.

No. 752796

>>752786
she knows the 'top 10 go to' bands and the more recent artists over the last 5 years. she is more into emo (check out her old pics and haircuts)- BVB, motionless in white and other 'new gen' bands that are percieved by baby bats as goth. They are not goth bands. Not only that I read somewhere she had no idea who Faith and the Muse were. She can google, but she doesn't talk or promote music unless she gets it for free and will only play music that is not picked up by the YouTube copyright so she can maximise views. Either way, just because you like She Past Away and Merciful Nuns does not make you instantly knowledgeable.

No. 752833

>>752463
>>752525
>>752709
The handbags have been released, along with a second clutch, a full size wallet, and a men's wallet. They just haven't been promoting them much. I think because they sold out or sold mostly out, at least according to Avelina.

No. 752882

>>752833
Yeah i thought IBF would promote the shit out of them since she helped design. And they may still be selling, I found this recent unboxing of the handbag.
Lmao the guy has an orgasm when he takes it out.

No. 752897

>>752786
I wouldn't say all the Goth YouTubers are sellouts for expensive clothing. I know that people are iffy with Angela Benedict but at least the company she shills for is not expensive and when she does do her videos, she has something to say or share that isn't shallow materialism. Her story-times about her life in New York as a teenager in the 90s goth scene are quite nice for background noise and you can tell she likes reminiscing about those times and I'll take that over empty-headed sounding descriptions on clothing.

>>752796
I really want to hold the benefit of the doubt that she is genuinely into the music. But she hardly ever talks about any Goth music and the last time she talked about music, it was about Black Veil Brides and the last concert she went to was for Cradle of Filth. With the Goth bands being out and about right now, you'd think she would talk about it if she was really into the music.

It's not even about her having a past in Emo because to be fair, I use to listen to Emo and Pop Punk when I was in high school before I got into Goth so I don't like holding people's past in contempt because people can genuinely get into different things when they get older.

But with IBF, it really says something that she hasn't in the last year talk about any Goth music.

No. 752911

>>752773
>>752710


Let's be real, gothtube is basically just QVC for spooky ppl.

No. 752918

>>752833
The designs are not original with black patent and spikes and a bat wing motifs. The coffin wallets look like killstar or that other brand that did story books. The clutches look stripper and metal chick. Not chic. I think shes getting pregger with another annoying brat. Stay tuned for more c section and boring mother vids. Yesch.

No. 752943

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No. 752950

>>752918

What do you mean another brat? Are we talking about IBF?

No. 752956

>>752950
No, they were talking about Avelina.

No. 753132

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I have more of these little comparisons coming but I am super busy so I probably won't get around to making more comparisons on design/materials until next year. Sorry!!!

this is probably the most obvious one but her "designs" are bland AF and I'm tired of bored housewives pretending they are actual designers on their husband's dime.

No. 753162

>>752911
Not for me lol I don't watch the hauls or makeup videos, I watch the people who talk about the music or share their experiences be them happenings in Goth clubs, their experience with Goth music, or just life in general. I will watch OOTDs but if they are labeled "Killstar" or any high end brand, I pass. I mainly like looking at OOTDs where the person is using simple things and building them up showcasing their creativity, not the pre-package look you tend to see with KillStar and most of the people who do them aren't even Goth anyway.

No. 753180


No. 754467

ibf is so lazy…a killstar haul three weeks ago and then NOTHING.

No. 754508

>>754467
That's how goffyoutube looks nowadays. Barelly any videos now vs vids twice a week few years ago.

No. 754522

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And she wonders why she can't lose weight.

So did Kaya ever get 1000 people to sign up for that app? She was talking about it non-stop and then just stopped.

No. 754529

>>754522
Bitch if you're dehydrated drink some water with a little salt in it not a bunch of sugary caffeinated garbage. Sugar and caffeine are both diuretics she's going to make herself sick lmao

No. 754596

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Gross! The thought that those two are still physically intimate with each other is stomach-churning.

No. 754656

>>754522
those are all FULL of sugar.
why can't she get some water and squeeze some lemon juice in it if she needs a drink with a fruity flavor

No. 754665

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>>754596
Speaking of which, Jake posted this…
They don't usually post this stuff, I'm thinking they're being intimate again after while.
It was speculated they weren't physical with Kaya's self esteem and Jake thirsty for anyone but her. I wonder what changed.

No. 754671


No. 754718

>>754522
>what is water

No. 754732

>>754596
>>754665

>Have sex with your partner for the first time in months

>rush to the internet to tell them

No. 754879

>>754508
Again, there is more to "Gofftube" than IBF and her obnoxious hauls. The unfortunate (well actually, not really) truth is that it's not going to be raking in millions of views because the amounts of people on YouTube who are genuinenly into what Goth is truly about is low in number but believe me, where it matters, there are people talking about things.

For example, Accumortis just released a new video talking about "Soundcloud rap" and how it's not a Goth sub-genre. It's not rolling in views but it's there and people are discussing things so that should count for something and it's Goth content that is not a Killstar or Dolls Kill haul lol.

>>754522
Lol Yeah… I mean if she worked out, it wouldn't be as bad since she'd work off the calories but uh… No. She's just making herself fatter because she's sedentary. >>754529 is right, she's better off with water with a pinch of salt or fruit slice inside of it instead of all the caffeinated drinks.

No. 755027

>>754879


I wouldnt even care about that post if she wasn't always saying she wants to lose weight and said in an older video that she "knows a lot about nutrition" and "stop giving her advice". If she knew a lot of about nutrition she'd know that sugar free drinks mess up your body's ability to metabolize sugar and can make you gain even more weight, not to mention monster is VERY high in sodium. Even if she was working out those drinks are still gonna stifle weight loss.

No. 755029

>>754879


I wouldnt even care about that post if she wasn't always saying she wants to lose weight and said in an older video that she "knows a lot about nutrition" and "stop giving her advice". If she knew a lot of about nutrition she'd know that sugar free drinks mess up your body's ability to metabolize sugar and can make you gain even more weight, not to mention monster is VERY high in sodium. Even if she was working out those drinks are still gonna stifle weight loss.

No. 755030

>>754879


I wouldnt even care about that post if she wasn't always saying she wants to lose weight and said in an older video that she "knows a lot about nutrition" and "stop giving her advice". If she knew a lot of about nutrition she'd know that sugar free drinks mess up your body's ability to metabolize sugar and can make you gain even more weight, not to mention monster is VERY high in sodium. Even if she was working out those drinks are still probably gonna stifle weight loss.

No. 755033

>>754879


I wouldnt even care about that post if she wasn't always saying she wants to lose weight and said in an older video that she "knows a lot about nutrition" and "stop giving her advice". If she knew a lot of about nutrition she'd know that sugar free drinks mess up your body's ability to metabolize sugar and can make you gain even more weight, not to mention monster is VERY high in sodium. Even if she was working out those drinks are still gonna stifle weight loss.

No. 755116

>>755027
True. I remember her talking about how she was a nutrition expert (lol) and I'm the same way, I wouldn't be saying anything if she didn't talk about losing weight. That's why I don't talk about IBF's weight gain because she doesn't complain about her weight (that I'm aware of, I don't follow her social media).

No. 755121

>>754596
How old is she? 12?

No. 755122

>>754522
Talk to Tati - 'choices'….

No. 755123

>>753132
So uber. I'm surprised SP haven't tried to sue her.

No. 756039

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Why doesn't grubby Toxic Tubs clean her clothes? fukin kek @ all the bits of fluff on her hoodie throughout the begging attic video

No. 756153

>>756039
If she can forget her clothes in the attic so long they get "musty", this isn't surprising. Plus she's lazy af. I cant picture her or Jake ever doing house chores…

No. 756244

>>756039

I don't really blame her. Whenever I sew I get lots of little threads and stuff on me lol

No. 756486

So no REWIND video from IBF this year? I guess there's not much to brag about lol. A month since her last video. Looks like her patreon fans really need to wake-up. Oh wait I hear another apology video coming….

No. 756504

TT uploaded this travel vlog… A year late. And wants to stretch it out for 3 vlogs. Where was it last year then? She says its for the trips anniversary, probs covering up how she was too lazy to edit for a year.

>>756486
IBF will be quiet for a while. She said she had a "big plan", most likely moving to Edinburgh, which she'll only let Patreons in on. Kek its the only real patreon award she has.

No. 756535

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>>756504
>A vlog that's an entire year late
>12 minutes of the video dedicated to the actual Korean vlog
>7 minutes dedicated to her sitting in her attic
wow worth the wait

No. 756594

>>756535

Dear god, why did she have to shave the sides of her head? She looks like Simon Pegg in that photo.

No. 756657

>>756486
Pretty much, can't make a review wrap-up video when 90% of your content was mostly haul videos lol And yep, I see the apology video coming to. I wonder what she's gonna say.

But while I'm on it, is there really anything that she could do to make her channel actually worth looking into?

No. 756671

>>756657
There's a bunch she could do actually. Travel vlogs and music stuff like she used to, or talk about film school or her "book".
But something tells me she won't. That something is freebies from brands.

No. 756724

>>756657
Moving from Germany to a new locale would be embarrassing because her scam didn't last. Back in NZ for xmas she's probably having a great time realising its all… over. Can't wait to hear the next round of excuses for taking money for doing nothing… again.

No. 756775

>>756504

Not just lazy with when she uploads but the actual content of the video is not discriminative at all. Like keeping in the part with the bloody squirrels, there's only about 3 seconds of actual squirrel on camera and the rest is about 50 seconds of looking at trees with her voice squealing into the mic. HOW is that quality content?? Most people would just chuck the short footage of the squirrel into a little montage along other cute little clips but nooo not Kaya. I know that's so petty but it irks me that she just so blatantly can't be bothered in making her vlogs interesting or even aesthetically pleasing.

No. 756778

>>756504
I think she never finished her Japan vlog either, she uploaded like 1 day out of 3…

No. 756876

>>756778
I think she did upload all 3?

And I love how in the comments she refuses to disclose that it was because of PeachMilkyTea that she got the trips to South Korea and Japan. She just keeps saying "it was offered to them out of the blue" even when directly asked how exactly the offer came about. Be grateful to your "friend" TT.

No. 756933

>>756876
Is it because she and peach aren't friends now? Or because TT wants people to think she got the trip herself with her ~quality~ content?

No. 756958

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>>756876
Why lie? It’s just shady af that she’s trying to make us believe that someone would take a free international trip without much info.

No. 756999

>>756876
>>756958
I wonder if peach milky knows about TT lying, and if TT is lying deliberately.

>>756933
The second one looks likely. But the first one makes sense cos friends would look at each others channels but peach hasn't seen/is ignoring this.

No. 757089

>>756671
Right. I kinda gave up expecting her to talk about actual Goth music because it's been like what? 3 years and she doesn't even talk about the music at all. It makes you wonder if she actually likes it or she only uses it for show to keep her "goff cred". But for God's sake, she was living in Germany, she could've used some of the money to go exploring around the country but nope.

>>756724
For real, not that I can't blame her at this point. I'm sure she knows her fans will keep paying her whether she makes content or not. It's just stupid because the fans throwing money at her all to just watch her do haul video after haul video could've just used their money to buy the stuff for themselves. It's not even being about supporting who you love because her content has been so lifeless and non-engaging that it's just a waste to keep throwing money at her.

>>756876
Freaking fake ass… lol I don't understand why it's a big deal if she just said it was a gift from her friend.

>>756933
It'd be hilarious if her fans actually thought it was because she makes "Grade A QUALITY CONTENT!!!" Eugh…

No. 757105

>>756876
Wow, I had no idea Sophie (peach milky) paid for their trip! I'm kind of shocked honestly. I never watched her japan vlog(s) all the way through, and when jake and kaya talked about it in other videos they never said how so I just assumed it was a brand who sent them for an advertising campaign or something like that. Do we know if Kaya and Sophie are still friends? If not do we know why?

No. 757119

>>757105
Their last video together was 2016 before peach moved to Japan. On kaya's Japan trip, she claims peach was too far from where she was staying to visit.

For all we know they could be friends online. But its fishy that both kaya and Jake are lying about how they got the trip.

No. 757135

>>757119
How do we know sophie paid for the trip? I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious

No. 757187

>>757135

>>447906
This should explain it.

No. 757208

>>757187

So Sophie was the whole reason Kaya got the sponsorship and they couldn't even visit her while in Japan cause they were 'too busy'? Wow…

No. 757257

>>757135
She didn't pay for it. She was offered a sponsored trip and she ended up giving it to Kaya and Jake. It's all over the last couple of threads, not sure how anybody missed it.

No. 757307

>>757208
Yes, lots of food to eat after all lol.

No. 757464

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Tits hanging out for display with no bra. God why does she always look so incredibly awkward. Learn how to dress yourself with clothes that actually fit. P.s no one wants to see your tits.

No. 757485

>>756933
>>756958
PeachMilky is a pretty successful model in Japan at the moment and she's getting bigger on twitch everyday. she's pretty much living TT dream.
it probably kills her and Jake that the only way she was able to go on this trip is because PM gave it to them.

No. 757486

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29 year old unemployed man spends his time doing this

No. 757519

>>757464
god shes fucking disgusting

her face her tits everything ew

No. 757530

>>757464
Yes this person is totally asexual. In Tumblr-world.
Your flat tits are sex organs, hanging them out means you want sex. Learn the definition of what you're trying to cosplay.

>>757486
29 going on 40.
Speaking of unemployed, is his music "career" earning much? He said he's going on tour, but you need a good following to make that successful which he doesn't have.

No. 757540

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Her unfortunate trout mouth moves so weird when she talks.

No. 757551

>>757485
Im pretty sure if TT wanted to be another white lewd model in JP living their 15seconds of fame she would have done it before she gained the pounds tbh.

No. 757566

>>757540
Did she get surgery to make her nose that narrow and ugly, or was she born like that?

No. 757568

>>757566
Probably just looks that weird because her face is wide enough to fit 4 sets of facial features on it so the actual features look tiny and pinched in comparison and almost cartoonish.

No. 757604

>>757464
It's pretty sad because back during her "goth" phase (well, no quotes, she actually did listen to the music), she actually had some decent dress sense. And now it's like what happened? lol

No. 757611

>>757604
Goths seem to be really confused now.
Most of the ~famous~ ones, even from back in the day are also trying really hard to incorporate this sweet fairy/lolita/pastel kei bullshit into everything.
Everyone just switches between random styles now for instagram. The actual fashion genres no longer exist.

No. 757623

>>757604
She looks like a slut nowadays. And she screwed up her hair too. The long pink hair looked good on her, but after that she had an awful mohawk and now this green…eww

No. 757643

>>757611
I remember a few years ago it seems like the vintage/retro or 'dita' style, whatever you wanna call it, was influencing goth and alternative fashion. But now to me it seems like the adult baby BDSM fad is bleeding into everything, especially alt fashion but everywhere else too.

No. 757645

>>757611
I remember a few years ago it seems like the vintage/retro or 'dita' style, whatever you wanna call it, was influencing goth and alternative fashion. But now to me it seems like the adult baby BDSM fad is bleeding into everything, especially alt fashion but everywhere else too.

No. 757646

>>757623
I actually like the luminous green, but the cut doesn't suit her face.

No. 757668

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Avelina de Moray was going to collab with tt but that was over a year ago and nothing came of it.

No. 757672

>>757668
Iirc Avelina said in several YT and insta comments that she designed the bag but never heard back from TT.

No. 757681

>>757519
>>757604
>>757623
>>757646

Why are you so antifemminist? Are you alt-right? kek

>>757486
What's wrong with doing makeup at 29?(infighting)

No. 757733

>>757668

Avelina basically just spam-emailed every alternative persona with a large social media following just to launch her own name/brand.

No. 757739

>>757611
Yeah you seem to be right about that. I mean, I do think Angela Benedict has a more traditional 90s-inspired Gothic look but the rest are definitely incorporating the stuff you said. The smaller channels seem more on par, the YouTuber Catharsis has a lot traditional Gothic styled looks (love it).

>>757623
Yeah her pink hair was pretty nice I'll agree. I also thought her black death-hawk looked pretty good on her as well back during her Goth phase. The green is not really doing anything for her… But I mean, it's her hair.

>>757643
Haha hearing you say that makes me think of ex-Goth (she was a poser honestly) Synthetic Doll, she had that vintage/retro Dita style to a "T" lol

No. 757776

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>>757551
TT is a hulking beast (even when she was thin) and her features are too harsh to ever be considered attractive in Japan.
You can see she tries hard to be cute these days with how she tries to put pink in her outfits and her bright makeup but it doesn't work for her at all, I'd say there is jealously towards PM who can pull it all off so easily

No. 757823

>>757681
>Why are you so antifemminist? Are you alt-right? kek

Nta but pls say you’re joking anon

No. 757988

>>757486
not that it really makes a difference, but he's 27

No. 758044

>>757681
Found the American! Probably the type to throw a fit at that make America great again hat lol

>>757776
Peachy really needs to lay off the free surgery. Holy shit she’s looking harsh.

No. 758200

>>757681 You do realise that's more than one person posting, and this board crits people's appearances quite frequently, including Jake and Xilmordas

No. 758279

>>757823
You mean that not everyone who is against feminism is alt-right? Groundbreaking!

>>758200
Ah, so that was just a shitpost.(infighting)

No. 758447

>>758279
No, I mean that half the posts you linked were normal tame (non-insulting) posts:
>>757604
>>757646

You only seemed to link the other 2 posts due to anons using the words “slut” and “disgusting” and “tits” ……just like 1/4th of all the posts on this entire site.

Are you new? Keep your political shit out of here, if you want to post about it you can go to /ot/

Really ironic that you used kek in the same sentence as accusing females of being alt-right lel

No. 758498

>posts you linked were normal tame

triggered

No. 758550

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What is she doing, digging up weeds from the pavement and taking them home?

No. 758575

>>758550
She's relatively new to gardening, I bet she is just gathering weeds. So aesthetic uwu plant mom~

No. 758643

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In her 2018 recap video, TT said these outfits made her more confident. Good for her, but the actual outfits… Oh dear.

No. 758697

>>758550
1. This is hilarious
2. It's not called "the sidewalk" in Ireland or the UK, which means she intentionally changed her language to be more clear to Americans in this post. Like this was premeditated weed-from-pavement grabbing and repotting+online announcement.

The visual of her in masses of loose black fabric, hunched over a weed in the pavement is too much. Just go to a garden store luv, plants cost literally pounds. Get an actual plant that is worth keeping.

No. 758777

>>758643
She's entitled to her opinion and own sense of style but from a outsider perspective, eh… These looks are just… Tacky. Like fine, maybe cute for a 13 year old but not on someone who is pushing 30.

No. 758906

>>758697
Thanks anon you gave me a good laugh there

No. 758908

>>758697
You reap what you sow. Weeds. Lol…

No. 758921

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>>758777
> but from a outsider perspective, eh… These looks are just… Tacky. Like fine, maybe cute for a 13 year old but not on someone who is pushing 30

She's not the 1st or only women in mid 20s dressing like that. Even Angela Benedict that is half of her lifespan older presents outfits that are "teeny". Yet I see only her being criticized for that in this thread. Seriously…

No. 758923

>>758643
she's only 25 but yeah I see what you mean, especially that middle outfit…

No. 758924

>>758923
What's with middle outfit? Average lolita wears more ribbons per dress at this age.

No. 758925

>>758924
Even Psychara had like last year more "childish" outfits than TT was wearing. And she is same age.

No. 758926

>>758924
it's not the outfit per se, it's more that it looks the most awkward on her/suits her the least, in my opinion

No. 758928

>>758926
There would be hundreds of opinions about what suits who. I know goths who find Siouxie Sioux style (at any age) to be extremly cringy while others are in love with it. Targeting TT fashion choices exclusively for several threads is just plain pointless. It's the same grade as pointless as targeting certain types of makeup that we had in previous threads.

No. 758929

>>758921
What matters in fashion is the whole outfit not just the individual pieces. TT's looks aren't really bad because they're too childish so much as because they're ill-fitting, unflattering and cheap looking. I looks like she just grabs a top and skirt and then throws on a bunch of accessories without considering the overall look she's going for. That's what causes the "tackiness"

No. 758933

>>758929
This. And I wouldn't care either if it weren't for the fact that I'm pretty sure she considers herself somewhat of a fashion icon with all of her fashion hauls of free clothes that get sent to her. I wouldn't care if I saw a random person on the street like that.

No. 758935

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>>758929
To be honest I'm failing to see any huge difference compared to what many modern alt girls are pulling off other that she is not in the slimmest group. Typical decora kei follower wears more plastic both in clothing and accosories daily than TT. Also looking odd is not that uncommon feature of many "more or less goth" looks.

No. 758938

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>>758933
> And I wouldn't care either if it weren't for the fact that I'm pretty sure she considers herself somewhat of a fashion icon with all of her fashion hauls of free clothes that get sent to her. I wouldn't care if I saw a random person on the street like that.

But what her "fashion icon" status changes? Punk rock related subcultures know a variety of looks, some of them very "dirty and cheap looking" including not washing your clothes and hairs for weeks. She is not anything extreme compared to many examples both from modern scenes or past decades. Term "punk" as name of subculture also didn't came out of nowhere. If she looks trashy, that's not a big deal in context of what we have seen in the whole history of alt fashion.

No. 758941

>>758938
you're right I suppose. I guess it might be because I don't really think of her as being goth or punk. though to be honest I've never really liked the trashy look, just my opinion.

No. 758952

This popped up in my recommended videos. I don't know what's cringier, calling himself "Parma Ham" or the fact that his try-hard mohawk is mostly extensions.

No. 758956

>>758938

Punk fashion and its offshoots have traditionally been DIY by definition. TT and the others we criticize wear exclusively off the (internet) rack. I have yet to see her design and sew a garment beyond the simple pieces and not since her cyberpunk days. The change in her body shape makes tailoring challenging and she lacks the skills. IBF used to do more DIY. They've all become lazy and complacent since being catered to with free hauls.

No. 758957

>>758952
Mohawk with extensions is so poseur acording to some. But so is giving the fuck what others think. The materialistic aspect however looks more interesting. It's so over the top even for goths. I guess he takes a lot of shit for it?

>>758956
That now sounds like a sort of more valid critique than "she is too old for this". I have nothing against pointing this out.

No. 758990

She of course has to complain that Youtube and Patreon "didn't go well for her" last year. Yeah, you only make hundreds of pounds per month for unboxing tacky crap on camera, and thousands more on Twitch for promising stuff that you then conveniently "forget" to fulfil. Poor you, TT.

No. 759009

>>758952
He has an IG with the same name, and wears the extensions in most of his pics. Doesn't shill for brands, etc, though.

No. 759018

>>758921
Are you sure about that with Angela? I can only recall maybe one or two outfits that seemed a bit teeny but she seems to dress in a more refined way that looks appropriate for her age. I'm not saying that once you turn a certain age, you have to dress like a stereotypical middle aged house mom but those looks that in the aforementioned post just look unflattering (mainly the middle one). The only one that looked somewhat okay was the third one. Really, it's just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it lol.

>>758929 This too. TT just doesn't know how to dress for her body. What worked for her when she was skinnier doesn't look so flattering now. Her outfits lack uniform and don't fit properly a lot of the time. Say what you want about Angela but at least she seems to know how to style things even if some of the material can look cheap at times.

>>758941
Same here, I actually never liked the dirty look either. And as far as Gothic looks, I'm a bit biased because while I did like some 80s looks, I'm way more into the 90s ethereal/romantic kind of look. I guess that's why I like Angela's looks a lot and used to like some of the looks IBF came up with back then.

>>758957
Yeah I mean you do what you like but when he said that he couldn't always fit through doors, especially when he wears his platforms, I had to roll my eyes and think "Then is it really worth it to go to that extreme?" I'm just curious what he does for work though at the end of the day, all that stuff can come off and he may tone down for his job.

No. 759022

>>758990
Well gee, maybe if you actually made some worthwhile, interesting content, you'd get more support on those sites. The bitch only does haul and unboxing videos and she expects to be drowning in cash and/or support when literally, anyone could do what she does and even be more interesting than she herself is while doing it? Yeah no dice.

If IBF actually does do some videos about her book this year, she'll be definitely one point above TT of vaguely becoming a more interesting channel because they're pretty much in the same spot as far as boring, non-engaging content.

No. 759025

>>759018
And I forgot to add that I'm in no way saying that bigger girls can't look a certain way but it's no excuse to not dress for you body because there are ways to make yourself look great while being bigger bodied. The YouTuber Unic0rnpies comes to mind. Her style isn't "Kawaii" like what TT tries to shoot for but what I'm getting at is that she definitely knows how to dress for her body while looking mighty good (in my opinion).

No. 759070

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No. 759184

>>758952
At least he's less of an air head than most of the cows here. But not fitting somewhere cos of the hair - your goff image won't be tarnished if you put it down once?

No. 759394

>>759184
I'm sure he does for like work and whatnot. I don't think anyone has the time every day to commit to such maintenance. You know how these document channels try to sensationalize things lol

No. 759400

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>>759070

Hmm. Interesting. She mentions getting naked and having drama in her after NYE post. It looks like Simon (Coalcandy) has unfollowed her on Insta.

In her NYE video, she calls him a control freak and not spontaneous. That’s big milk, because they have been joined at the hip, particularly since her divorce. What could have caused tension between her and her bestie? Getting

No. 759484

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KVD should focus on her kid and just fade into obscurity imo. Also, why have a conversation like that on social media with your spouse?

No. 759505

>>759484
why are they bahaving like 14 year olds in their first relation ship on social media

No. 759507

>>759484
"Previews for my long awaited album" - of course she now must get into music too, bleh.

No. 759509

>>759400
Hmm, he has always seemed to be kind of uncomfortable around her whenever I saw them interact on video. So it isn't that surprising to me (even though I of course wonder what happened).

No. 759515

>>759505
Cause they’re emotionally stunted and trapped in their edgy rebellious 13 year old phase.

No. 759524

Parma Ham with a 9-5 job??? Too funny! He is an It boy club host as well as a model of Avant Garde designer's creations.. that flat he lives in looks rather swanky so my money is on a sugar daddy being in the picture..and/or he is part time rent boy..the glamour!

No. 759527

Makes sense that Simon fell out with Adora.. I bet NYE isn't the first time she crossed the line while wasted leaving friends to deal with whatever mess she created ..I'm sure her over sexualised,reckless drunken antic's got old..not sure if he hero worshipped her at first or he was a fuck buddy or ? He is only what 19/20?..

I'd guess he saw her as a confident,sexy,freedom loving woman but has woken up now..and sees her as the sad attention whore she is..

No. 759564

>>759484
This woman is nearing 40, talking like this. she is actually embarrassing…

Why doesn't she just stay in makeup and tattooing? she'll rake in more than enough dough from that for a college fund if her kid makes it to that age.

No. 759645

>>759524
Well I wasn't really saying 9 to 5 job but like maybe part time while getting help from his parents, I mean that's not very uncommon these days but hey what do I know? Maybe you are right that he has a sugar daddy. I don't know about Rent Boy because would a Goth guy to that extreme really be that in demand? Don't get me wrong, I love me some Rozz Williams (RIP) Matthew Carl Lucian, and Porl King of Rosetta Stone (well, when he was younger) but you gotta admit that Goth guys are much more of a niche in terms of what people find attractive lol.

No. 759682

Yeah you are right anon..Parma has too much of a fringe/niche/arty look to sell sex to men who buy it..

A sugar daddy and/or families cash( Guildford is pretty comfortably off) is far more likely..

One anon mentioned that Parma doesn't shill for products on Instagram..good for him…maybe he is less tacky than the "Goths" usually covered here..

It's pretty funny that the Parma Ham consortium attempted to make him change his name..!

No. 759790

>>759527
He was leaving cute comments under her posts like "I want that doll under my tree" "I need a dollhouse to put her in" (adora being the doll, under a nude pic of her) and bought a custom Monster High someone made for her for like $1-200 at Christmas. She says in comments, she is not dating him because he is too "sweet" but she used to say he was a backup if her "forever love" ever left


Long story short, she's giving him the cold shoulder and this is probably what happened. I suspect Simon is quite romantic under the cool visage.

No. 759834

>>757604
Isn’t this the chick who used to hang out with Patsy? During her Goff phase, she was mostly competing with Patsy. When Patsy stopped being a Goff, Sebastian’s style went down hill into the bland alt mess it is now.


>>757611
Luckily, this pastel vomit mess seems to only be on the internet. I’ve never seen another Goff in rl wearing it. Like, we look crazy in general but the whole gross DDLG element these people are trying to make goth now just looks ridiculous, and quite frankly, very try-hard. I wonder what the next fail “goth” trend will be.

No. 759897

>>759834
Oh right, yeah she was hanging with that Patsy girl at that time buut still, at least the style didn't look all that bad even if she was just trying to compete with her. In my opinion, the Deathrock/Trad look looked pretty good on her before she dyed her hair blond/black.

I didn't follow Sebastian nor Patsy on social media so I'm assuming when Sebastian cut off all her hair, that signaled the end of her Goff phase because Patsy got out of the scene prior?

And I'm not surprised that many actual Goths IRL don't dress in Pastel or DDLG (thank god). Honestly the Pastel/DDLG thing is just another teenage trend in the same way MallGoth was a thing back in the early 2000s.

No. 759985

>>730576
>>759682

I highly doubt Parma has a sugar daddy or family cash, IRCC hes from a northern small town?

Parma is a freelance gallery producer - works with public art galleries on their exhibitions, programs and publications. Given how competitive that industry is, to even be getting work in London, especially, requires hard work, skills, ect. Also regularly hosts and djs at night clubs.

The eccentric/bold style can go either way in the art world, but Parma seems to find making a joke of being pretentious far more important than actually being pretentious; like the name change despite being a vegan, and the punk hairstyle full of hair extensions that Parma openly says requires sitting on the floors of cabs.

No. 760003

Interesting info,thanks.Parma must be quite busy then..the gallery work as well as putting on club nights.. I'll check if any of his DJ sets are up..curious as to what his music taste is..


Night club DJ work, hosting club nights as well as ANY work connected to galleries (esp in London) is very often Unpaid..so many ppl are keen to be a somebody in the night life scene and/or arts scene that they sit at the front desk of a gallery,curate,hang works of art anything they can talk their way into doing.. just to get their foot in the door which might lead to paid work ..and the ones with family money are in it for the glamour…and the ones w/o family money have to take normal jobs after their art BA degree or MFA..

Amazing that Parma has a well paid career in that world.( As so many don't ).it is quite often ppl from posh background who succeed and is linked as much to smoozing and having wealthy friends who open galleries/or already well placed as to having any special talent.

That said Parma may have talent.. I'm unfamiliar with his curating,art or DJing efforts..

I thought Parma came off well interview..non pretentious as the anon said..I have no strong opinion about him…I am compelled to point out that he stated he is from Guildford, Surrey..not a small northern town..So much I could say about Guildford..lovely place and it does not scream..rough background.

No. 760031

>>759985
Ah okay, yeah that would make more sense then. So he is in the creative field and may be really good at what he does.

No. 760071

>>759018
>Yeah I mean you do what you like but when he said that he couldn't always fit through doors, especially when he wears his platforms, I had to roll my eyes and think "Then is it really worth it to go to that extreme?"

he he

>I'm just curious what he does for work though at the end of the day, all that stuff can come off and he may tone down for his job.


All I can find he is being a producer of some sort and related to a club in London. Financially seems to go pretty well for his age.

So far I don't see anything negative to mention despite maybe attaching some non music based ideology to goth subculture as whole in this video. But that's a minor cringe.

No. 760074

>>759018
All that I'm saying is that my eyes have seen much more extreme and much less consistent attempts at alt looks to even find TT's stylizations worth disputing for few threads. But whatever fuels your cart.

No. 760142

>>760071
Yeah doesn't seem like a cow at all, has a career and some self awareness

>>760074
We talk about her clothes cos to her, goth is about material stuff, not music. And her clothes aren't even that "goth", so what does that make her? She won't be able to tell you, having not much sense of self outside labels.
Plus she's one of the people wearing pink insta vomit ( >>757611 ) IRL…

No. 760204

>>760071
The video:
>goth is about experimenting with your gender and sexuality

Why is everything about that these days? Sure that can be part of it, but not all of it.

No. 760207

>>760071
NOOOOO LOL I wanted to forget about this stupid "documentary". A friend linked me to this a few months ago and the whole thing was both a cringe-fest and it left out what goth is really about. The music. And fucking hell, Goth was never about exploring your gender, who the fuck writes this pretentious trite? And no talk of the music means the video in my eyes is an automatic fail.

>>760074
And I get it but this why it just comes to down to difference in opinion, especially when it comes to fashion. For example, I think Decora fashion is tacky but there are people out there who absolutely love it and more power to them. I'll have to say the same thing about TT, I personally think a lot of her looks are not pleasing but I can accept there are people out there who think opposite and more power to them.

>>760142
Honestly if I saw TT out IRL, I wouldn't think she was Goth, I'd just think she was just an alternative girl who may be a bit of a weeaboo lol Goth wouldn't even cross my mind.

No. 760215

>>760204
>>760207
Every time these online goffs skip over the music, I side eye them. “Well there is goth music, but muh gender expression uwu” “Spooky kids shouldn’t stress over such things” “The music really isn’t that important” We’re probably going to die on the hill that punk did, full of Erin Micklow-tier goths who don’t even listen to the music. It’s just a look to these people, or them injecting their SJW cringe into everything. (Inb4 ~altright~, plz no)

No. 760291

>>759682
Parma Ham’is working for a contemporary art gallery.

No. 760333

File: 1546843211487.png (37.39 KB, 658x172, WHERE AM I.png)

IBF hasn't posted a video since Nov 30 last year. I hope no one is still paying her to create profound content. What a poseur. She's finally bored and thrown in the towel. Fake ass bitch.

No. 760352

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>>760207
>>760215
>>760204
You alt right twats… ok, just joking. Just grown up kids these day are trying to fill some emptiness in their lives with being proud of another type of identity than former generations were proud of. Humans need some sort of tribal identity. Nowadays it seems to be identity of yet another "non binary" gender identity that get invented for no sensible reason. And then shoveling it in the face of everyone. There is no escape from identarianism. It may be "nationalistic", it may be "queer", "subcultural" or "antitheistic", "individualistic", or whatever, but result is always the same - shoveling it in the face of everybody. Even centrists declaring they are not identarian fall for a trap of identity. In case of goth some people manage to keep a proper definition of goth first, while other can't sit calm and scream out loud that "being queer" or "being white" (as USA people tend to make from time to time retarded skin color related coments like "you have to be white to be got", which is pure bullshit ofc). Of cours goth is music based. Your skin color has nothing to do here. There are goths and goth rock musicians of all skin colours. But so are of different sexual orientations and identities. And of different political views and ethnicities. It's music that is 1st and what unites (in loose sense) goths around the globe. And globe is a pretty diverse environment. To be honest it's mostly the sound and atmosphere of goth music what is shared. Everything other may differ and often differs sometimes in bigger sometimes in smaller details. I may expect to like Saudi Arabia goth rock as well as Indonesian goth rock or Macedonian goth rock or Bolivian goth rock, but I am aware we (goths from mentioned countries) can disagree with each other on a lot of topics. And I'm not expecting all goths to agree on everything neither I think we need to speak in one voice on all topics. Even controversial one. But what I agree goth is about goth music first. It was music that made it spread like a plague (including smuggling to Soviet Union or other dictatorship countries) all around the globe back in the late 70s and 80s.

No. 760365

>>757776
>towards PM who can pull it all off so easily

Easily?
with a help of a truckload of makeup and retouch in PS, and her age is starting to show more and more with every year, if not every quarter. No white women is childish in look after 25, unless heavily mixed with thicker skinned ethnic groups like most eastern Asians for example. So this "ease" is so temporary it's often a shock to many white women in mid 20s.

No. 760367

>>758952
I know Max personally. Cool guy. Not ctinge.

No. 760382

>>760333
They probably are, and she is quietly using the cash to country hop yet again.
Has she made posts in her other social medias recently?

No. 760386

>>760382
Does it even has any basis in facts? So far I see only some works of fiction in regards to that whole "country hopping". Is her divorce even finished?

No. 760396

>>760367
Do you know what he works as/how he supports his lifestyle and apartment, anon?

No. 760423

>>760396
not that anon but someone else who knows parma, he djs/hosts and is a gallery producer. His sets are pretty good imo, he hosts a lot of the alt nights in London.

he dosnt he have any milk tbh hes more goth that most of the cows in the thread and actually is contributing to the scene here.

No. 760440

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This girl I'm friends with on fb made a meme of jessica lovecat and Jess had a fucking meltdown over it.
>>760396
>>760423
This. He's also a really nice guy and not stuck up like i initially thought.

No. 760574

>>760071
This guy just showed up on my tv (in America) on the cw channel show “right this minute” ….one minute ago. Weird coincidence. Don’t know why he’s on tv, but they just showed him hair spraying his hair extension mohawk.

No. 760582

>>760440
OT but I remember your friend? She’s been a farmer here for over a year iirc? Can’t believe I still remember this, but almost a year ago she posted to a random thread and left her icon and username visible in a screencap, it was too late to delete, and some anon (most likely the cow of whatever thread it was, self posting) started making fun of her and her style. They even posted a screen cap of her Instagram to the thread shitting on her looks. Thought her & her style was cute and felt bad for her that some cow was blasting her shit just for forgettting to crop a screencap. Hoped it didn’t dissuade her from posting here in the future.

No. 760681

>>760215
Nah it's not "Altright" talk to me, I pretty much agree. I won't deny that Goths tended to be more open minded to certain things but at the end of the day, it was and still is a music-based subculture, not a fashion show that's coming on the QVC channel lol.

>>760333
I think we all know the answer to that lol Her fans don't mind how inactive she is, they need to support the Goff Queen lol.

>>760352
Pretty much took the words out of my mouth, agree 110% with this and it's why I will never take someone who says that "Goth music is not important" seriously at all.

>>760386
Isn't her divorce going to be finalized this year? I remember she said that she needed to wait a bit before the divorce can be legally finished.

>>760423
That's good to know. I will say that at least he actually does something compared to TT & IBF. And you're right, even if he is DJing, it's still contributing to the scene what with helping newcomers at the clubs discover some new Goth music.

No. 760682

>>760440
Kek, Stephanie also made those memes of the YouTube goths which had people crying in the comments.

>>760352
This was really prevalent on Tumblr (probably still is), I always speculated it’s the reason Patsy stopped being goth. She constantly had people sperging at her because she didn’t talk about what had happened in Ferguson. She was such an elitist, I couldn’t see her leaving any other way. However, I’d think she’d at least still be alt or something after that instead of yet another new age neo-hippie.

>>760582
I wouldn’t doubt it was the cow herself. What Stephanie posts isn’t even bad,
compared to the “how do you do, fellow kids?” cow crying over a meme of some untalented SoundCloud rapper.

No. 760685

>>760682
> This was really prevalent on Tumblr (probably still is), I always speculated it’s the reason Patsy stopped being goth. She constantly had people sperging at her because she didn’t talk about what had happened in Ferguson. She was such an elitist, I couldn’t see her leaving any other way. However, I’d think she’d at least still be alt or something after that instead of yet another new age neo-hippie.

If that's really what happened, I don't blame Patsy for leaving then. But just watch, she'll find her way back to the scene, they usually do if they genuinely enjoyed the music and the people they met in it.

No. 760690

>>760386
It'll finish is year, and in regards to country hopping just connect the dots.
In the "where is home" video she says she wants to find and move somewhere she's happy. Then in the Edinburgh vlog she says how she's so at home there, and "big plans" are behind the scenes. She's also been silent for a while now.
She's most likely moving to Edinburgh.

No. 760804

Parma might be a great guy and all..but my question remains does he any DJ goth music or is he mainly playing whatever music that is cool on the club scene?I see this guy as a fashionista more than anything..happy to be proved wrong.

No. 760805

Parma might be a great guy and all..but my question remains does he any DJ goth music or is he mainly playing whatever music that is cool on the club scene?I see this guy as a fashionista more than anything..happy to be proved wrong.

No. 760806

Parma might be a great guy and all..but my question remains does he play any actual goth music? Love to hear a set of his or see a set list at least .I see this guy as a gay scene fashionista more than anything..happy to be proved wrong.

No. 760808

>>760804
We can only hope he actually plays actual Goth music but maybe one of the anons who knows him and been to one of his set mixes may shed some light.

>>760690
For now anyway. Didn't she say that Germany felt like home before? If I'm wrong, my bad but I feel like she'll live in Edinburgh for like a year or two, get bored, and want to move somewhere else.

No. 760869

>always complaining that she can't afford stuff for the attic
>constantly begging followers to sign up for app to pay for the attic/buy stuff on Amazon wishlist for attic
>gets Christmas money from family
>spends it on overly expensive hygiene products

No. 760915

>>760690
Hasn't she already had trouble with UK immigration tho? They're super strict about who's actually allowed to stay, and iirc she's had trouble even entering the country before.

No. 760932

>>760915
Edinburgh is in Scotland, she had trouble in the UK.

No. 760944

>>760932
Scotland is part of the UK

No. 760945

>>760944
>>760932
>indyref ptsd intensifies

No. 761025

>>760932
Lol anon i think you meant she had trouble in England. But yep IBF is definitely leaving Germany when she's free from Mattius.
I wonder how long she will make this "country hopping" train, she can't run from her problems forever.

No. 761563

Speaking of Adora. Have you seen recent edits on her wikipedia page? That gallery of photos was hilarious.

No. 761639

>>761563
She edits her page herself, right?

No. 761839

there's no wikipedia page for Adora Batbrat now. Was it taken down?

No. 762082

>>761839
Elementary, my dear Watson.

No. 762510

File: 1547172745223.png (2.12 MB, 1440x2880, Screenshot_20190111-120954.png)

Gross Jake being gross for attention as usual in his Instagram stories

No. 762751

https://reddit.com/r/goth/comments/aeixkc/hey_look_they_dont_wear_killstar_or_restyle/

This thread and what is happening in it is a good allegory of the state of teh Internet Goff™.

No. 762923

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Kaya hoping for surgery pointers, from the girl her boyfriend is lusting after.

No. 762983

>>762923
he does ? XD i missed that(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 763077

>>762983
They visited Kelly and Jake acted way more interested in her than he ever does with TT. Lurk moar.

>>762923
TT wants lipo right? I checked out Kelly and her YT channel has a lipo video already… Is she getting MORE lipo?

No. 763335

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Today's look-angry dwarf

No. 763378

>>763335
ew that´s the actual picture he used? I thought at first glance it´s an edit from you

No. 763389

>>763378
Nope… Straight from Twitter.

No. 763392

>>760869
I work in her local Lush and she's a fucking nightmare to deal with. The few times I've seen her come in she clings to anyone with a vaguely "alt" aura or appearance, hangs around for at least an hour, tries to get multiple samples from different employees, all while her bloke is sitting outside the shop on his phone waiting.

I feel like a twat for saying it but less so because of the headache she gives us, but she smells crusty and stale when she walks by. I'm not convinced she washes her coats or any outerwear, if anything.

No. 763395

>>763392
You've posted this exact comment before, like months ago. Did she come in today or something?

No. 763458

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No. 763481

>>763458
nailed it. like sure, it's fine to draw inspiration from someone but the budget copycat thing isn't exactly being different, which he made a big deal of. also the angle of that pic is hilarious b/c of how it shrunk his legs, but he probably wasn't paying attention to that.

No. 763502

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No. 763521

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Kaya is now on the TikTok bandwagon…

No. 763526

>>763502
Ironic since her older brows looked bad, but still way better than 2019 Freeza. She needs to just let them grow in and shape them.

No. 763551

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Why would a grown adult proudly broadcast this to thousands of people? That you’re so lazy you can’t be arsed to take care of your basic needs like feeding yourself and throwing a tantrum over it? Can’t understand what appeal she holds to her followers.

No. 763572

>>763526
She shaves them off deliberately so she can draw new ones higher on her face, and create a much larger eye area to play with. I get it. I did it when I was 19. Unlike her I have awesome natural brows and no longer sport Goff makeup, so I reverted to them

While I do not particularly like her brow style, I am down with her reasons for them.

No. 763594

I just watched this video, and I hate the way he talks to Kaya around 9:20. Why does she put up with him? You'd think he'd edit that shit out, being as most of his fans come from her channel anyway

No. 763595

>>763594
The fuck is he doing with his voice?! And that god awful attempt at Japanese!
How do people support this fuckwit?
Funny how at the beginning he puts text on screen to stop being lazy and then immediately asks for things to be sent to him. Jfc

No. 763605

>>763595
that's what I was thinking! "hey, send me free shit and stop being lazy!" he sounds like such a jackass.

No. 763614

>>763594
Since he is actually Welsh and not from NI, he probably cries and does a sob story every time she tries to kick him out. But then acting like this >>763551
Is why she is not confident in replacing him. He's achingly irritating and smug with literally nothing to show for it

No. 763630

>>763614
Oh wow, I didn't know he was Welsh. I knew that he had lived in Wales for a period of time but I didn't think he was actually from there, mostly because his accent doesn't sound Welsh to me but I'm an American so sometimes I have trouble distinguishing accents

No. 763631

File: 1547373190839.png (781.5 KB, 757x720, downs.png)

>>763594
"feel free to send me stuff"
how can he say that kind of shit without being embarrassed. He actually thinks he deserves presents for vlogging a million times over about going to the Laundromat.


A few days ago on instagram Jake posted a picture of himself in all Killstar clothes,
someone in the comment asked what the name of the jacket was and he only replied "can't remember"
isn't he meant to be helping Killstar in exchange for free clothes?
basic knowledge of the clothing names is even too much for him

No. 763632

>>763630
>>763614
I thought he’s from England but lived in Wales for a few years?

No. 763633

>>763631

Nah, I didn't need to sleep tonight.

No. 763639

>>763630
He always puts on a fake, attempted American accent so it's hard to tell, all I remember is he came over "from Wales" when him and TT got together. Mainly pointing out she holds the cards over his future+ she's actually the earner from her Youtube and sponsorship bux. He is a poor imitation of whatever he thinks he needs to be to be liked, like tiny Manson as above >>763458

No. 763671

It's like he's trying to go for some wannabe visual kei, Manson thing but as usual he just looks fucking awful. He's so in love with himself it's utterly pathetic. I didn't think he could look any uglier but he's proven me wrong there, kudos Jake.

No. 763700

>>763594
Lazy, entitled and spoiled. They're his only traits. In his desperation to be liked he's become a caricature, but in his mind he's a god. Bet he sensed a kindred spirit in Kelly Eden kek.

>>763614
Yeah he didn't like Wales, thinking he was gonna "be somebody", and used Kaya to get out. But he complains about NI a lot, seems he doesn't want to stay. But he's too lazy to move- whoops i meant we're too lazy to pay for him.

In any case he does talk down to Kaya to keep her "in check". He wants some control in his pathetic life.

No. 763794

>>763551
I think she was trying to be #relatable to her tween emo fans but accidentally revealed she's just a slob.

>>763631
Wtf am I looking at? I'm all for creativity but this ain't it chief.

No. 763908

>>763632
That's what I thought.

No. 764807

>>763700
That's pretty much both their traits to be honest, let's not pretend that TT also doesn't act like spoiled, entitled, lazy child as well. I think that's why they go so well together and I'm sorry but if Kaya is that dim to not notice after so long how he treats her, I honestly can't feel bad for her anymore.

No. 764819

>>763632
>>763700

So why did he move to Wales and then Ireland? If he thinks they're too small, he could've just stayed in England?

No. 764826

>>764807
Oh hell yeah nobody feels sorry for Kaya, she's just as bad.
But Jake is that bit more delusional. Acts like he's the shit, with 0 accomplishments and while freeloading off another freeloader.

Their relationship is perfect in that train wreck way.

No. 764829

>>763700
>Jake didn't like Wales, used Kaya to get out.
Shit, he pulled an IBF.

>>764819
In a video he said he has no contact with family these days. Guess he'd escaped to Wales to cut ties, but then hated it there. Kaya offered a second escape to NI and he accepts…And then hates NI. Where you hopping next Jake?

No. 764858

>>760682
>>760685
Wasn't one of the other problems that Patsy specifically only attacked Black goths? I remember hearing that about her, but maybe it isn't true.

No. 765036

>>763594
I think as an old man looking back on his life and this picture - what a contribution to society he's made… what a joke.

No. 765039

File: 1547497723783.png (Spoiler Image, 207.13 KB, 978x348, Screen Shot 2019-01-14 at 2.24…)

Whew! Adora is thirst trapping hard right now with the B&W photo shoots. On the first set she got almost 7k likes. The next set got 5k, and the last picture only 2k. We get it girl. You're naked in your room wearing big ass boots and black panties.

I feel like New Years was a turning point for her. She and Coalcandy had a falling out, he just left to go study abroad for 5 months. Next thing you know she's taking her daughter for her first piercing (#familyvalues) and posting Insta-raunch. I feel like she could be better than this, you know?

No. 765105

Jake moved to Wales as a kid with his family, at like 13 or something. He talked down to people at school and always had his nose in the air because he thought he was the next big rockstar and could play guitar better than anyone else (this was mid-2000s so every other kid was a guitarist and he was just so so average). People laughed at him because he was an arrogant, snobby jackass, after people did try to befriend him and he was just a dick. He ran away with Kaya because he wasn't being adored in Wales like he wanted to be. Same seems to be happening in Ireland.

No. 765117

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On december 4th, Nadia, who is Mr Owl's ex girlfriend posted this. Whaaaaat? 21st birthday??? How old was she when she was dating him? He is in his 40s and the girl was like 19,20? I realized she was younger than him, but man, does she look bad for a 21 year old. I imagined she was like 24, 25 at minimum

No. 765128

>>765117
it's hard to tell because she wears so much makeup, but yeah, to me she looks at least in her late 20's

No. 766094

>>765128
Heavy makeup does age you

No. 766169

>>765117
I'm pretty sure "21" is a joke. It's pretty standard among women getting older.

Otherwise that means Owl was dating her when she was barely legal. Didn't they go out for about two years? And split over a year ago? Not a good look at 40 TBH

No. 766170

>>765117
21??? Damn you're right, she does look older than that but to be fair, it very well could just be her Trad inspired makeup that makes her look older. Still funny because I assumed she was in her mid 20s lol

No. 766203

The unfortunate thing with both Kaya and Jake is that they both have these illusions of grandeur which will prevent them from leading normal lives in the future. Of course this is all self inflicted, kaya couldn’t keep a job at Lush because she simply wasn’t physically or mentally capable of trying to do actual work. When I was in lush during her brief stint there, she was sitting on the shop floor in the middle of a busy day because her “feet hurt.” I watched embarrassed customers shuffle past her and staff clearly at a loss on how to deal with this unprofessional and shameful behaviour. She acted as if she was in a sweatshop. As a Belfast native who goes regular to our subculture nights and alternative/goth events, I have yet to see her participate, engage or promote any of the punk vegan bake days that were held in the war zone centre or come to cornucopia, a goth friendly event that plays actual goth music. To claim that Belfast doesn’t have any goth nights or goth friendly spaces is a crime to her local scene, one of which she actively avoids. To call her lazy is too easy, kaya has never had to work for anything and nor is she willing to do so. In Jakes case, he went to work while kaya lay in bed, didn’t clean or try to better herself and relied/actively begged for unearned donations by her “followers.” Jake wanted that easy life and to be honest, he does have a work ethic that exceeds Kayas, namely in fitness and career. It’s arguable that his attempts are futile because he simply doesn’t have the talent to make it big, but at least he tries. As the years go by, her viewing figures have plummeted. The freebies given to her by budding and established brands, has lessened as the years have went by. When Laya and Jake reach their thirties (which is roughly between 3-5 years) this way of life for them will be obsolete, in the sense that deserving, forward-thinking, passionate and creative younger goths will usurp them. For example, Kelly Eden did a renovation project in her mums family home, it took her approx 1 week and she did all of the manual work and paid for it herself. Kaya has bribed, coaxed, begged and whinged for her followers to pay for her attic renovation and has made little to no effort in making it better herself. The two work ethics contrast differently. I hope in the future Kaya does some work on her self and realises she alone prevents herself from making any progress in life and she alone is responsible for the surroundings she lives in.

No. 766204

The unfortunate thing with both Kaya and Jake is that they both have these illusions of grandeur which will prevent them from leading normal lives in the future. Of course this is all self inflicted, kaya couldn’t keep a job at Lush because she simply wasn’t physically or mentally capable of trying to do actual work. When I was in lush during her brief stint there, she was sitting on the shop floor in the middle of a busy day because her “feet hurt.” I watched embarrassed customers shuffle past her and staff clearly at a loss on how to deal with this unprofessional and shameful behaviour. She acted as if she was in a sweatshop. As a Belfast native who goes regular to our subculture nights and alternative/goth events, I have yet to see her participate, engage or promote any of the punk vegan bake days that were held in the war zone centre or come to cornucopia, a goth friendly event that plays actual goth music. To claim that Belfast doesn’t have any goth nights or goth friendly spaces is a crime to her local scene, one of which she actively avoids. To call her lazy is too easy, kaya has never had to work for anything and nor is she willing to do so. In Jakes case, he went to work while kaya lay in bed, didn’t clean or try to better herself and relied/actively begged for unearned donations by her “followers.” Jake wanted that easy life and to be honest, he does have a work ethic that exceeds Kayas, namely in fitness and career. It’s arguable that his attempts are futile because he simply doesn’t have the talent to make it big, but at least he tries. As the years go by, her viewing figures have plummeted. The freebies given to her by budding and established brands, has lessened as the years have went by. When Laya and Jake reach their thirties (which is roughly between 3-5 years) this way of life for them will be obsolete, in the sense that deserving, forward-thinking, passionate and creative younger goths will usurp them. For example, Kelly Eden did a renovation project in her mums family home, it took her approx 1 week and she did all of the manual work and paid for it herself. Kaya has bribed, coaxed, begged and whinged for her followers to pay for her attic renovation and has made little to no effort in making it better herself. The two work ethics contrast differently. I hope in the future Kaya does some work on her self and realises she alone prevents herself from making any progress in life and she alone is responsible for the surroundings she lives in.

No. 766205

The unfortunate thing with both Kaya and Jake is that they both have these illusions of grandeur which will prevent them from leading normal lives in the future. Of course this is all self inflicted, kaya couldn’t keep a job at Lush because she simply wasn’t physically or mentally capable of trying to do actual work. When I was in lush during her brief stint there, she was sitting on the shop floor in the middle of a busy day because her “feet hurt.” I watched embarrassed customers shuffle past her and staff clearly at a loss on how to deal with this unprofessional and shameful behaviour. She acted as if she was in a sweatshop. As a Belfast native who goes regular to our subculture nights and alternative/goth events, I have yet to see her participate, engage or promote any of the punk vegan bake days that were held in the war zone centre or come to cornucopia, a goth friendly event that plays actual goth music. To claim that Belfast doesn’t have any goth nights or goth friendly spaces is a crime to her local scene, one of which she actively avoids. To call her lazy is too easy, kaya has never had to work for anything and nor is she willing to do so. In Jakes case, he went to work while kaya lay in bed, didn’t clean or try to better herself and relied/actively begged for unearned donations by her “followers.” Jake wanted that easy life and to be honest, he does have a work ethic that exceeds Kayas, namely in fitness and career. It’s arguable that his attempts are futile because he simply doesn’t have the talent to make it big, but at least he tries. As the years go by, her viewing figures have plummeted. The freebies given to her by budding and established brands, has lessened as the years have went by. When Laya and Jake reach their thirties (which is roughly between 3-5 years) this way of life for them will be obsolete, in the sense that deserving, forward-thinking, passionate and creative younger goths will usurp them. For example, Kelly Eden did a renovation project in her mums family home, it took her approx 1 week and she did all of the manual work and paid for it herself. Kaya has bribed, coaxed, begged and whinged for her followers to pay for her attic renovation and has made little to no effort in making it better herself. The two work ethics contrast differently. I hope in the future Kaya does some work on her self and realises she alone prevents herself from making any progress in life and she alone is responsible for the surroundings she lives in.

No. 766206

The unfortunate thing with both Kaya and Jake is that they both have these illusions of grandeur which will prevent them from leading normal lives in the future. Of course this is all self inflicted, kaya couldn’t keep a job at Lush because she simply wasn’t physically or mentally capable of trying to do actual work. When I was in lush during her brief stint there, she was sitting on the shop floor in the middle of a busy day because her “feet hurt.” I watched embarrassed customers shuffle past her and staff clearly at a loss on how to deal with this unprofessional and shameful behaviour. She acted as if she was in a sweatshop. As a Belfast native who goes regular to our subculture nights and alternative/goth events, I have yet to see her participate, engage or promote any of the punk vegan bake days that were held in the war zone centre or come to cornucopia, a goth friendly event that plays actual goth music. To claim that Belfast doesn’t have any goth nights or goth friendly spaces is a crime to her local scene, one of which she actively avoids. To call her lazy is too easy, kaya has never had to work for anything and nor is she willing to do so. In Jakes case, he went to work while kaya lay in bed, didn’t clean or try to better herself and relied/actively begged for unearned donations by her “followers.” Jake wanted that easy life and to be honest, he does have a work ethic that exceeds Kayas, namely in fitness and career. It’s arguable that his attempts are futile because he simply doesn’t have the talent to make it big, but at least he tries. As the years go by, her viewing figures have plummeted. The freebies given to her by budding and established brands, has lessened as the years have went by. When Laya and Jake reach their thirties (which is roughly between 3-5 years) this way of life for them will be obsolete, in the sense that deserving, forward-thinking, passionate and creative younger goths will usurp them. For example, Kelly Eden did a renovation project in her mums family home, it took her approx 1 week and she did all of the manual work and paid for it herself. Kaya has bribed, coaxed, begged and whinged for her followers to pay for her attic renovation and has made little to no effort in making it better herself. The two work ethics contrast differently. I hope in the future Kaya does some work on her self and realises she alone prevents herself from making any progress in life and she alone is responsible for the surroundings she lives in.

No. 766207

The unfortunate thing with both Kaya and Jake is that they both have these illusions of grandeur which will prevent them from leading normal lives in the future. Of course this is all self inflicted, kaya couldn’t keep a job at Lush because she simply wasn’t physically or mentally capable of trying to do actual work. When I was in lush during her brief stint there, she was sitting on the shop floor in the middle of a busy day because her “feet hurt.” I watched embarrassed customers shuffle past her and staff clearly at a loss on how to deal with this unprofessional and shameful behaviour. She acted as if she was in a sweatshop. As a Belfast native who goes regular to our subculture nights and alternative/goth events, I have yet to see her participate, engage or promote any of the punk vegan bake days that were held in the war zone centre or come to cornucopia, a goth friendly event that plays actual goth music. To claim that Belfast doesn’t have any goth nights or goth friendly spaces is a crime to her local scene, one of which she actively avoids. To call her lazy is too easy, kaya has never had to work for anything and nor is she willing to do so. In Jakes case, he went to work while kaya lay in bed, didn’t clean or try to better herself and relied/actively begged for unearned donations by her “followers.” Jake wanted that easy life and to be honest, he does have a work ethic that exceeds Kayas, namely in fitness and career. It’s arguable that his attempts are futile because he simply doesn’t have the talent to make it big, but at least he tries. As the years go by, her viewing figures have plummeted. The freebies given to her by budding and established brands, has lessened as the years have went by. When Laya and Jake reach their thirties (which is roughly between 3-5 years) this way of life for them will be obsolete, in the sense that deserving, forward-thinking, passionate and creative younger goths will usurp them. For example, Kelly Eden did a renovation project in her mums family home, it took her approx 1 week and she did all of the manual work and paid for it herself. Kaya has bribed, coaxed, begged and whinged for her followers to pay for her attic renovation and has made little to no effort in making it better herself. The two work ethics contrast differently. I hope in the future Kaya does some work on her self and realises she alone prevents herself from making any progress in life and she alone is responsible for the surroundings she lives in.

No. 766234

>>765117
WHAAAAT… They were together in Feb 2016 or sth so she was barely 18 and legal then wtf?!

No. 766237

>>766234
NZ aoc is 16.

No. 766270

>>766203
>>766204
>>766205
>>766206
>>766207
Anon you've been triple posting all thread, is your computer okay? Fix that please.
Also, that was super hard to read due to lack of paragraphs.

No. 766284

>>766237
That kind of makes a 40-something year old dating a teenager grosser.

No. 766285

>>766237
That kind of makes a 40-something year old dating a teenager grosser.

No. 766384

>>766270

There is a known issue that has been resulting in server errors and duplicate posts for over two months. See Meta.

No. 766412

>>765117
I think she was 17 when they were together. Seems the Kiwi thing to do kek

No. 766417

>>766234
I think 16 is legal in New Zealand.

No. 766420

>>766412
I am honeslty surprised that Mr Owl is a gross old dude that chases alternative teens. It sure is weird for a 40 something to be dating someone who is like 24 but I was okay with that because they both are part of the same subculture, so same interests, goths are known to like to go clubbing pratically till their dying day, and he always seemed super youthful to me. Not only in appearance, but on the whole, you know? It never bugged me until I saw that post on her insta. I said that she looks bad for a 21 year old but without her makeup she looks young like a 25 year old, no problem.

Now, her being SEVENTEEN when they first got together, that sure is gross. A 17 year old has NO experiences that can relate to a 40 something, even a youthful one. A 20 something works, has been in adult relationships (both romantic and friendships), etc etc. A 17 year old doesn't.

Do you guys remember that one of them said that her parents were also goths? Well, if she is a 21 year old, her parents and Mr Owl both were clubbing together as teens in the 90s. Weird

No. 766424

>>766412
>Seems the Kiwi thing to do kek

So teens chasing breathing and walking ATMs is a sanctioned local tradition in New Zealand?

No. 766435


No. 766442

>I am honeslty surprised that Mr Owl is a gross old dude that chases alternative teens.

Wait, based on what did you assumed that he was the one chasing? Or that there were any chase at all?

> It sure is weird for a 40 something to be dating someone who is like 24


Yet it's not the biggest age gap humanity has witness ed. Some people are into necrophilia, you know.

>but I was okay with that because they both are part of the same subculture, so same interests,


Isn't NZ scene like 5 people per island anyway?

>goths are known to like to go clubbing pratically till their dying day,


Given the suicide rate among goths it may be kinda shorter than you mean it. But I get the point.

>and he always seemed super youthful to me. Not only in appearance, but on the whole, you know?


Men in late 30s/early40s aren't rusty dire skeletons, you know. OK, we are not counting Bill Murray here.

>It never bugged me until I saw that post on her insta. I said that she looks bad for a 21 year old but without her makeup she looks young like a 25 year old, no problem.


Under the fucktone of makeup she wears she may be in her 40s as well and we won't be able to tell.

>Now, her being SEVENTEEN when they first got together, that sure is gross.


Yes, being a teenager fucking sucks. Yes, I'm speaking from experience.

> A 17 year old has NO experiences that can relate to a 40 something, even a youthful one.


Life of 17 years old girl in war zone region of the world is often pretty damn intense compared to 40 years old unemployed German male living on welfare in Tyrol. So I beg to differ.

> A 20 something works, has been in adult relationships (both romantic and friendships), etc etc. A 17 year old doesn't.


20 something and adult relationship sounds like a damn oxymoron nowadays, especially in so called modern 1st world countries.

>Do you guys remember that one of them said that her parents were also goths? Well, if she is a 21 year old, her parents and Mr Owl both were clubbing together as teens in the 90s.


So half of the tension less in "pappa" - "future son-in-law" relationships.

>Weird


Goffs luv weird. They breath weird, eat weird, drink weird and emit weird from all pores of their bodies.

No. 766448

>>766435
It does not take PhD in Physics to understand advantages of material stability

No. 766477

>>766234
That's gross. Mr Owl is gross. I don't care if it was technically legal to date a 16 y/o in NZ, a 40+ year old man has no business dating someone who only hit puberty a few years ago. That is, unless she was lying/joking about the "just turned 21" post and is actually older.

No. 766492

>>766477
>I don't care if it was technically legal to date a 16 y/o in NZ

not just only date

No. 766535

>>766442
>Yet it's not the biggest age gap humanity has witness ed. Some people are into necrophilia, you know

Age gaps have nothing to do with necrophilia, are you drunk?

No. 766581

>>766203

Well said anon, I couldn't have said it better myself (well except the knowing her part since I don't live in the UK) but I can certainly believe this because back when I used to watch her in 2014-2016, she did complain about her job and having to stand for her shift. She's just a lazy sloth of a person. Jake is insufferable with an undeserving ego but I will give him the credit that putrid personality aside, he does seem to have a work ethic as he did work at his job to help support them both while Kaya lounged about doing nothing. And this all wouldn't be so bad if she actually made WORTHWHILE Content. She's lounged about doing shitty hauls and box open videos for the past year going on two and they're boring as fuck and soon no one is going to care about them at all. She doesn't talk about anything interesting, she doesn't go out and participate with the alternative scene, she doesn't even do fun things like cooking projects or anything like that. I mean fuck… Her channel is just lower than average and you're right, once she and Jake hit their 30s, they're going to lose their support as we'll have newer, younger alternative YouTubers who will be much more interesting than they are. I can only hope that they actually used their brains and have been saving some money because they're definitely going to need it when that time comes, it's really only a matter of time.

We can joke about IBF as she's a husk of what she used to be but at least back in her prime, she made interesting or engaging content until she moved to Germany and become the GOFF QVC Queen and she has a bit more staying power than Kaya (though her's will run out too if she doesn't get her butt in gear and actually make interesting content again).

It's just sad because I used to look up to these people when I was younger thinking they were so interesting and would always make time to watch them but eventually the curtain was lifted and I saw these people for the boring, non-interesting people they really are. I mean I wasn't expecting them to lead these exciting lives but they don't even seem to have any actual interests outside of clothes and makeup.

No. 766599

>>766581
I dont like TT as much as anyone but every time someone says that she's lazy and that her feet hurting is a lie I can only think the person is 12. Based on her complaints, she seems to have a orthopedic problem. I do believe her pain is real and that it makes working standing up impossible. But, with all that being said, I guess her main problem is depression. She could have a more normal life if she got treatment for the orthopedic issues but she won't. As she won't do anything that is in her power. That's textbook depression.

She should get a grip and realize that nothing will ever change if she doesn't start to seek treatment for all of her issues, starting with her mental health. She will never improve if she ignores that

No. 766646

>>766599
I think TT is lazy and entitled, but I do agree that she probably had a real problem with her feet. It sounds like plantar fasciitis which is common in retail employees who stand all day and genuinely is painful as fuck. It's also brought on my rapid weight gain. That said, sitting in the middle of the floor because of this like >>766203 said is fucking ridiculous and illustrates that she doesn't care about fixing any of the obvious problems she has, she just wants attention and for people to feel sorry for her.

No. 766656

>>766599
Kaya kind of annoys me because she frequently mentions having depression yet does nothing about it, and lives in Ireland where I'm pretty sure it's free/easy to seek treatment. Instead she spends all her time on the internet begging strangers for money/to buy her things she doesn't even need. Whenever I look at her Twitter anymore it's mostly just a bunch of posts of "I want this and wish I had this and need a bigger house for all my stuff". I sometimes wonder if she's depressed because her pursuits are so materialistic and she doesn't have any meaningful long term goals.

No. 766665

>>766656
She said on twitter once that she knows she should see someone professionally but she won’t because the soonest appointment she could get is about six months away. Like, that sucks but that’s the worst excuse to not make an appointment. Jesus she really doesn’t care about getting better at all.

No. 766722

>>766599
I mean I stand all day at my job and sure it's not comfortable but we gotta do what we gotta do. But okay, let's say that she really does have a medical problem with her feet (though I'm sure it's also because of the significant weight gain), there are jobs where she could sit (assuming she's any good at computer typing) but I could forgive this all if she actually did something even if it was freelance writing, drawing, etc. but even her shop was half-ass. This is the main reason why I think she's lazy tbh.

And okay yes, depression sucks but she's been talking about depression since 2015 and has yet to get some help and it's like 3 years later. You can't get help unless you help yourself. I'm not sure what the health laws are like in the UK but surely there is a place she could've went that would've helped?

>>766656
And all this. I wouldn't even be saying all this if Kaya wasn't such a begger for even the most simplest of things. Have you seen her wishlist? Some of that stuff she could easily just get on her own without it being gifted. And I think you're right that she's just a materialistic sponge with hoarders syndrome where she'll never be satisfied with the things she has and wants more whether she really needs it or has the room for it be damned.

>>766665
6 months is definitely a long time but fuck, it's better than nothing. Jake obviously doesn't care to listen to her and she's far from family. Just sign up and give it a try. It's better than being a perpetual victim which will only get worse.

No. 766775

>>766722
she actually did have an office job, it was the one at paypal that she quit because it was making her miserable; though she never said why it was making her miserable, at least not in a youtube video. oh, and it was well paying too.

No. 766785

>>766535
well when age gap is for example over 60 years it kinda is. Unless it's not more a love of assets of that person than toward that person. But why do I even have to explain that? You are not the sharpest knife in the kitchen. Are you?

No. 766788

>>766785
your reasoning makes 0 sense. necrophilia is just a desire to have sex with dead bodies and people can die at any age.

No. 766790

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>>766477
maybe mr. owl is not a creep and just thought he was dating someone close to his age, because she looks 35. does anyone have pics of her without makeup? I couldn't find any

No. 766829

>>766788
In case of people with at least average intelligence it only makes zero sense to people with Asperger's Syndrome. As they are incapable of understanding things like metaphors, figure of speech, jokes and sarcasm. As they take everything literally.

No. 766896

Yes, us aspergers people totally dont understand sarcasm as we are so incapable and cant comprehend what makes jokes so funny.

No. 766903

>>766788
Oh my god! It was a joke! Sure, it was a failed attempt, wasn't funny in any way and made that anon(the whole comment actually) sound like he is desperate to be seen as witty and sarcastic but can't. But it was OBVIOUSLY a joke

>>766829
You don't really know what aspergers is beyond reading the list of symptoms on wikipedia, do you?

>>766790
This doesn't look like a 35 year old, are you crazy? I'd say 25,26… There used to be several pics of her without or with very little makeup on at Owl's instagram, she doesn't look 30ish at all, it's obvious she is in her 20's

No. 766906

>>766790
doesn't really matter how old she looks though, the age gap was a little predatory if she has just turned 21 even if she did the chasing. She's a nice person and seems to be happy since leaving him though at least He's shackled to Freyja again so he certainly seems to prefer an older, more conceited person.

No. 766910

>>766896

I'm glad we agree.

>>766903
>You don't really know what aspergers is beyond reading the list of symptoms on wikipedia, do you?

I do. Do you?

> a little predatory if she has just turned 21 even if she did the chasing.


It's more like winning a lottery.

> more conceited person


Clever pun.

No. 766913

>>766903
Sounds like someone watched too much "big bang theory" and their cringeworthy interpretation of autism in sheldon (among other problems)

No. 766946

>>730576
>>766722
Kaya had a office job back when’s John did MAG she mentioned how they used to work together but I believe she hated it (shocker) John seemed to have got her the job from what I remember and she said she quit because she would come home crying every day
I had this at one point in a previous job but then I realised it was a symptom of depression I had which I was neglecting

I think she does need to grow up but she also needs help for the obvious issues she clearly has

No. 766947

>>766906
I was acquaintances with her and used to chat with her from time to time. She was 17 when they started dating. She hinted many times that Freya was a bad person but refused to say more where it could be linked back to her. She did let out the information that Freya often mocked her fans and called them names but was very good at playing nice online. I've seen a few other people mention that fact though so her attitude got to some people enough for them to spill about it. Nadia was caught off guard by him going back to Freya. He really hurt her. They had nothing to do with Freya as far as Nadia knew after Freya started attacking her online by accusing her of stealing her look and trying to be her. Then suddenly Mr Owl was back to being Freyas doormat and Nadia was out in the cold

No. 766954

>>766946
Right okay, that's why I missed that tidbit of information because I never watched the MAG stuff because I found them to be incredibly boring so okay, she did have an office type job. I've had the crying moments as well but you learn to cope with it and look on the bright side of things. She does suffer from depression, that much is clear but like I said, it's been 3 years now and she hasn't gotten help for it at all. She can't get help unless she helps herself and even if the wait is 6 months, they could be worth it. Because she's not getting any help in her current situation living in a relatively toxic enabling environment.

>>766947
Nadia copying Freya? That's a laugh. Freya did not come up with that makeup look, it's simple Trad Goth makeup inspired by Siouxsie Sioux, she has no patent lol. I'd understand if she was also copying the way she does her hair but she doesn't.

Anyway, I can believe IBF may not be as bubbly as she lets on and you can't help but feel bad for Nadia a bit because she was obviously the rebound girl until Freya called back for him. I can't imagine being in a position like that.

No. 766955

Eww. No thanks Emily Boo, go back to hair dye and tattoo vlogs.

No. 766956

>>766946
Right okay, that's why I missed that tidbit of information because I never watched the MAG stuff because I found them to be incredibly boring so okay, she did have an office type job. I've had the crying moments as well but you learn to cope with it and look on the bright side of things. She does suffer from depression, that much is clear but like I said, it's been 3 years now and she hasn't gotten help for it at all. She can't get help unless she helps herself and even if the wait is 6 months, they could be worth it. Because she's not getting any help in her current situation living in a relatively toxic enabling environment.

>>766947
Nadia copying Freya? That's a laugh. Freya did not come up with that makeup look, it's simple Trad Goth makeup inspired by Siouxsie Sioux, she has no patent lol. I'd understand if she was also copying the way she does her hair but she doesn't.

Anyway, I can believe IBF may not be as bubbly as she lets on and you can't help but feel bad for Nadia a bit because she was obviously the rebound girl until Freya called back for him. I can't imagine being in a position like that.

No. 766957

Eww. No thanks Emily Boo, go back to hair dye and tattoo vlogs.

No. 766958

>>766913
Heavy cases requiring 24/7 supervision and etc do behave as described earlier. If you really want to pinpoint who is lacking knowledge.

No. 766959

>>766913
Heavy cases requiring 24/7 supervision and etc do behave as described earlier. If you really want to pinpoint who is lacking knowledge.

No. 766972

>>766599
there's nothing wrong with her feet anon,
she can walk around LA and Korea all day with no problems and in her giant platform shoes too.
Kaya's problem is that she's never had a job before lush and she sits in her bed eating junk food and watching netflix so her feet and legs are weak because of this.
the first couple of weeks working retail standing for hours is painful but you just have to push through it.
Kaya's never stressed about paying rent or putting food on the table so there was nothing pushing her to keep the job at lush.
once youtube money dries up for her and she's forced to work an actual job then she'll know all about it

No. 766974

>>766972
sorry about doubleposting but in reply to
>>766722
in ireland most retail shops like Tesco, Aldi, Dunnes etc you sit at your till all day.
I work retail and I sit for some of the day and then can stand at customer service.
so if Kaya actually has problems with her feet (which I don't believe for a second that she does) then she can still get a job quite easily

No. 766984

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>>766955

girl. no.

for so many reasons. stay out of Alexis' lane.

No. 766997

>>763594
I don't understand what problem you have with it? I think their relationship is shit but they were just having a bit of banter and she's genuinely laughing during it. Are you American?

No. 767038

>>766956
Ibf thinks anyone who dresses even remotely like her is stealing her style. She was obviously threatened by a younger and more creative female taking her castoffs so she decided to take him back. Shame on him for falling for it. She never had wanderlust. She was fine settling in Germany with another guy.

No. 767052

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I hate that the pair of them prey on impressionable people who seem to think that they can buy their affection,friendship and attention like this.This girl is the worst, she doesnt seem to have a social life outside of idolising youtubers and it's wrong

No. 767053

Stealing style? What about IBF's style is/was any original? Makeup? No. Hairstyle? No. Wearing all black? No. She is stock in all these aspects.

No. 767069

>>766974
I wonder how easily she would be able to get a real job after being out of the work force for so many years and having so little experience. What kind of place would take her?

No. 767091

>>767038
IBF looks as stereotypical as it comes, there's nothing to steal. But since looks are the only remarkable thing about her, and the only thing that got her """e-fame""" tbh, seeing someone like Nadia dress similar must be scary to her lmao.

No. 767096

>>767053

Emily's video is about Kaya's look, but your point still applies.

No. 767124

LEL, i didn't watched him so long he grew hair. BTW it may be the end of his presence.

No. 767182

>>767096
The comment about stealing looks was about Nadia and Freya

No. 767193

>>767052
I remember seeing a comment on jake's fanmail video that said something like "I need to get a job so I can save up money and buy you things" and honestly it made me sad. kind of wanted to reply something like "get a job & save up money and spend it on yourself" but it would probably get deleted.

>>766903
I'm being dead serious when I say she looks at least in her 30's in that pic, to me. If someone told me she was 36 I would believe them. could be the makeup I suppose.

No. 767255

>>767193
Yeah what do people get out of buying them things? Sure its their money, but it's their money down the drain.

The gifts end up in musty hoard piles, twitch donations are a scam (graveyard date, anyone?), and whining about being broke is a scam. They spend cash on everything but what they pretend to need it for.

No. 767420

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>>767052
>by request

would ask who tf is out there asking a youtuber to put up a wishlist but there are plenty of idiots that donate to them

jakey boy tweeted about wanting to get his hands and neck tattooed, can't wait to see those choices. he also saw the meme posted up thread which made it to some fb group and joked about being 'famous'.

No. 767532

>>767124
I feel like i am only one that actually likes him and thinks he is creative even tho he is an ass lol

No. 767573

>>767420
> boohoo we're so poor, please donate money to us, our equipment is breaking, we need to renovate the attic, and can't afford any of that
> I have enough spare cash to drop a couple thousand on full body tattoos

Doesn't compute.

No. 767577

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No. 767603

>>767577
It was sick to watch same person gave them in told 1k then 300 they loved it they going to Norway for video summer in city and la I don't know why people think they are best I don't also heads up there person trying to get this place close down I saw post on IG it's BLACKFRIDAY lookalike is not happy with TT and her been pick on

No. 767609

>>767603
Screencap and post here anon

No. 767610

>>767577
I swear a lot of these donations Twitch people get are either tax avoidance/some sorta scam/donating to themselves for promo

Where does anyone get hundreds or thousands to throw at someone making mind-bogglingly dull videos and streams? I don't believe it

No. 767613

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>>767609
>>767609
She out for blood had hole ig story about here on IG

No. 767617

>>767052
>Here's a list of stuff I want you suckas to buy me
>Sucka: You have no idea how much this means to me

These people have no morals. If it's not just them on a sockpuppet account.

No. 767620

>>767613
>Altcows 7
>only put up today
She must have seen a screencap, we're in 10 and these threads are slow. Nobody's mentioned her for months

No. 767622

>>767620
>>767620
She was going off on it I would have add more but here was down I knew it was months ago also she was more upset that TT was getting it.kept saying .that she need to get here close down .so need watch see if she comes on .

No. 767624

I think as long as these fools keep giving to them it's so crazy I mean there's one crazy girl she one who send them everything she thinks they best they treat her like shite I mean if any of two of them had work they pass out also they just takers these people that give are just bad .but I think there's lot more going on

No. 767626

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>>767577
>>767610
What can I saw how crazy is this it's like they have culte I wonder were these people get money just give away

No. 767670

>>767573
yea i don't understand where the money they get from each of their patreons and twitch donations. like, they both get stuff sent to them from alt companies, and they probably spend some on bills, so if there's things needed to improve the quality of videos, get that instead of pissing it away and complaining.

No. 767805

>>767670
They have lot more money coming in as it's scary but as long they have these people giving they keep taking she non stop looking for freebies and he next big rock star

No. 767816

>>767573
They're probably donating it to themselves to make their channel look interesting so others will give also. Not very clever just another pathetic attempt for popularity.

No. 767853

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>>767816
I think there's something not right with it I mean she been on twitter looking for this dress I mean if people can't see that what she spenss money on it's crazy I think because she can't get dress for free she hoping some those fans buys it she has no shame

No. 767860

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More freebies from killstar for her today it more to dirty house .that's why I don't buy from killstar her and Jake was on date night on Wednesday in Belfast she put IG up of them holding hands it was creepy

No. 767891

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Throwback to when kaya was sent a beautiful human hair wig worth hundreds that she completely destroyed and now never wears…bet that company is chuffed

No. 767909

>>767853
"it's not the perfect Morticia dress?" but she's not goth… she's not interested in the scene… she just likes the fashion. Honey, it doesn't matter if this dress isn't perfect for you… it would look RUBBISH on you anyway because you're about as stylish as a pile of steaming dog shit.

No. 767955

>>767891
what a lame excuse, she's just too lazy to actually put it on and style it. she could probably do some pastel wintery looks with it but that requires effort and she seems to put in the minimum amount when it comes to producing content.

No. 768076

>>767891
The way she destroyed that wig made me genuinely sad, it was such a beautiful wig and now it looks all frizzy and terrible..

No. 768124

>>767853
this, right here, is why I hate looking at her twitter. it is just her posting pics of stuff she "wants" and "needs". Homegirl has a serious shopping addiction problem..

No. 768213

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I feel like this really highlights the difference between TT and Angela Benedict

No. 768332

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Reaching new levels of pathetic.

No. 768387

>>768332
>but pls I need more stuff.

No. 768414

>>734796
That's because there isn't any. These threads have been going on for a few years now and there isn't ever any "milk" aside from some anon doesn't like her opinions about actual gatekeeping within the community. The people upset by it are likely gatekeepers themselves.

inb4hiangela

No. 768416

>>767860
>THAT'S WHY I DON'T BUY FROM KILLSTAR
This right here! I hope the brand stops throwing freebies at "influencers" and respects their client base more, its fucking embarassing seeing them begging for clothes. I have bought in the past, its nice to have some plain alternative clothes for lounging in but its fucking nauseating to see this woman child blimp that looks like she never washes her hair or cleans beneath her fingernails get free things flung at her they must all smell of sweat and yeast infections. She looks dirty and she has literally no life aspirations. No one in the scene wants to be affiliated with no hope people like her. Killstar take note, thats two people in the altcow thread put off you because of her.

No. 768431

>>768332
I re-read it like 5 times trying to imagine this scene in my head. I can't. I just can't picture the amount of clothes would be necessary to actually trap someone inside of it. How much should this weigh? I imagine the clothes were all crushed in a one door closet just waiting for someone to open it and just touch it. Now THAT'S a video of TT I would watch. No "hello lovelies", just that giantress trapped in a huge pile of expensive brand funky smelling, all crushed and probably moldy clothes while having a panic attack

Also remember that they don't do much laundry, so imagine the smell.

No. 768433


No. 768457

>>768433
I agree with her but she’s way too nice to TT and IBF. They are both greedy and entail hoarders who have no concept of money.

No. 768469

>>768213
It may be good pun, but kinda proves that goths are at least a little bit of assholes.

No. 768470

>>767532
On here, most likely. A lot of us despise him because he contributed to the fake Goth trend. The stuff about him being a narcissistic douchebag was just a bonus and honestly, he's made enough revenue so he'll be fine assuming he actually saved some money to get by. But yeah, hard for me to personally care because he was always so obnoxious.

>>767610
That's the mystery isn't it? If people want to donate money to people, fine whatever, go for it. But at least donate it to people who actually deserve it, not some fat ass who lounges and whinges about not being able to afford things she doesn't need and is too lazy to make something actually interesting.

>>767805
Then what's going to happen when they get to the age of 35+ and are still trying to do this? Do they seriously think these people are going to support their asses forever? Kaya's not going to have any job experience or transferable skills which will make it hard for her to rejoin the workforce if she has to.

>>767891
Oh yeah, didn't she crimp the fuck out of it? It looked terrible after she "enhanced" it.

>>767909
Agreed. Honey you're not Goth so stop get a grip. And I agree, seeing how she styles shit, it would look terrible on her anyway. If anything, I'd have more confidence in IBF wearing it and making it look decent lol.

>>768213
Exactly. People can dump on Angela for whatever reason but her heart is in the right place at least and she does contribute to the scene whether it's sharing stories, having give-aways, and sharing some actual Goth music. That's how you keep a scene alive and she does more for the scene than TT & IBF combined even if she isn't nearly as active as them because she has an actual job she works.

>>768332
"Panic Attack". Oh fuck right off TT. It just means it's time to empty the closet and get rid of what you don't need.

>>768414
No you're right. There really is nothing milky about Angela most likely because she seems to have a handle on her own life and didn't fall into the E-begging lifestyle that IBF & TT are the frontrunners of in the alt. scene. I'm not saying that Angela is perfect but when you compare her to the others, she's nowhere in the same ballpark as them. She doesn't e-beg, she doesn't whine about not getting clothes/items, and she doesn't scam people out of money (IBF's wedding). There's just nothing damning about her.

>>768431
I'm picturing the scene of old perfume spray, Body Odor, and possibly mold from the much older pieces she hasn't worn in years.

>>768433
Oh I remember Fright Summers, didn't know she was still making videos. Anyway,she's not wrong (even though I'm over the fashion talk, just because you buy a crap ton of black clothing doesn't make you a Goth) but yeah, she was way too kind to TT (calling her a "goth" lol) and IBF. She left out the key detail about them and that is that they are sent free. They NEVER buy this stuff out of their own pocket, at least not as often as one would think.

And again, wearing black gowns and Killstar crap doesn't mean you're living a "Goth lifestyle" and I really think this sentiment needs to end.

No. 768471

>>768469
You say she's being asshole, I say she's being bluntly honest lol. If TT and IBF were actually good people despite their shitty e-begging and whinging, I'd agree but they aren't. They're just spoiled brats who think that people are going to pay their way for life even if they don't do anything that justifies it lol

No. 768490

>>768469
what part of that was a pun?

>>768470
ironically, angela has actually been uploading more frequently than IBF as of late, despite having a job (and kids i think?). IBF hasn't uploaded since November, even though she doesn't have a job, kids or anything, yet her fans are still sponsoring her. and even when she does upload it's just another shitty haul.

No. 768515

>>768490
Angela doesn't have kids but she does have a job so already leagues better than IBF/TT.

IBF is moving to Scotland. She should have a back log of vids though right cos it's her JOB – but she knows her fans always support her e.g. wedding scam never called out. And when Germany repeats itself in Scotland she has a doormat to crawl back to.


>>768471
They've found a niche to get comfy and it works…for now. They don't have to lift a finger apart from whining. But they're only 'famous' for their goffic clothes so the YouTube cash won't last forever.

No. 768519

>>768515
Agreed. IBF has a degree in film and television, but she doesn't seem to have done anything with it.

No. 768547

>>768490
Yeah Angela doesn't have kids but the fact she has a job and doesn't whinge about not being able to afford things to her fans makes her a whole lot better than IBF/TT

Pretty much everything >>768515 said. IBF is in the middle of moving and this would've been a good time to get some vlogs worked in as it's interesting to see when people move to a different country. And honestly, even if people did call out the wedding scam, they would be brushed aside by her WKs.

And yes, it's only a matter of time before their gravy train expires. And again, I have no problem if people become freelancers who get supported by their fans but only if they're actually doing something. This is why I don't mind when gaming channels get supported by fans enough to do the hobby full-time because at least they are providing something . Same with cooking channels and traveling channels. These are all worthwhile endeavors that bring something entertaining to a person. But simply lounging about and making piss poor repetitive boring hauls? No, you're better off spending your money on clothes for yourself at that point.

>>768519
It's said because I want to believe she really did get a degree in that medium but the fact she hasn't used any of it for like 3-4 years now, it makes you wonder if she actually got the degree or not…

No. 768605

>>768519
No one has mentioned this but what if IBF can't really get a decent job because of her finger tattoos?

No. 768618

>>768605
There are always options. From what I've heard, places in Europe are a bit more lenient than the US with having tattoos in the work place. But, there are always behind the scenes jobs. For example: Call centers, IT, or warehouse workers. Or as she used to do in NZ, building displays and such.

No. 768619

>>768605
Pretty much what >>768618 said. Her best bet are behind the scene type jobs though I too have heard places in Europe are far more accepting of tattoos and hair color than the US. But yeah that's why I think finger tattoos are so dumb unless you're working in the entertainment or music industry.

No. 768658

>>768619
Tattoos - visible ones, I mean - aren't nearly as self-blacklisting as they used to be. The manager of the building I live in and like 90% of the employees have a lot of tattoos. including fingers, neck, chest etc. As well as a helluva lot of social workers, advocates; hell, even the independent, for lack of a better word, bank down the street doesn't care about them.

Rant aside, tattoos probably won't be much of a barrier when it comes down to her needing to get a non-social media based job.

I genuinely enjoyed her older videos, with all the vlogs, the festivals, OOTDs, the Q&As and tags, blah blah blah. I really hope after her move that she goes back to what she was doing, and does less hauls. Kaya's a lost cause, but I think Freya's got potential to revert.

Jake's just a fucking twat.

I did not mean to blabber so much and say so little. Sorry, anons.

No. 768679

>>768658
But see, the reason why Freya stopped with the festivals and travel vlogs is because she was running out of the wedding scam money. When she scammed her fans with her wedding that was supposed to be for her and Mr. Owl and didn't issue any refunds, she conveniently started traveling around Europe. Sure they were staying in hostels but still, she was able to travel. But now she's run out of money to do all that.

No. 768694

>>768547
I feel the same way, I really have no issue with influencers not having a job per se, it's when they upload crap content (or no content) and then beg for money. It would be one thing if Kaya was just lazy, but she's also entitled. Lazy and entitled is one hell of a combination. She hasn't mentioned it recently but she always used to constantly complain about the fact that she didn't get sponsorships like her fellow non-alt youtubers and said it was because she was goth. That pissed me off because as an influencer you are NOT entitled to sponsorhips, you have to earn them. Companies are NOT obligated to sponsor you if they don't want you to represent them for whatever reason. Youtube isn't an employer either, and just because some people manage to live off of it doesn't mean anyone who uploads videos automatically should be able to. I wonder if she ever thought about getting a social media manager/agent.. I kind of doubt it. Not to mention there are even more controversial youtubers than her, like reignbot and nightmare expo who still manage to get the occasional sponsorship, but she supposedly can't? That would seem kind of odd to me.

sorry for the rant.

>>768618
I live in the US and I just went out to dinner earlier today at a chain restaurant (the one that has a day in the week in the name) and the waitress had finger tattoos. Also some places like call centers that don't revolve around face to face interaction still don't allow tattoos and have strict dress codes, not sure why though.

No. 768773

>>768694
It's okay, ranting is good to get frustration off. I totally forgot about how she used to complain about Sponsors as well and it's like Bitch, your content is not even interesting. IBF got sponsors because her content was interesting, she was traveling and she actually knows how to show off clothes in an entertaining way (I say this begrudgingly lol). Kaya does dick all and she expects to get sponsorships just because she uploads on YouTube? No. And the fact that IBF was able to get sponsored a few times shows that alternative people can get sponsored so there her reasoning of being "Goth" (hah) is invalid.

No. 768832

>>768679

How much money did she managed to raise? Sorry I'm not very up-to-date on the details.

No. 768923

>>768773
Yeah and some of her sponsors weren't even goff brands. It was a mobile phone app and a dental kit at one point. TT is just making shit up, again, so her cult followers (who have literally no incentive to be there?) will pester brands and do the work for her, again.

No. 768939

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On her YT wiki page, which idk if she wrote herself, says she has film qualifications and is founding a company. She's never mentioned that before…

She doesn't even use what she learned to film her vids interestingly. But what's the point I guess if it's haul after haul. She'll forget what she learned.

Add to that her failing relationships and failing "book", YT is the only thing keeping her afloat. When her views dwindle, what will she do?

No. 768972

>>768832
In an old video IBF claimed that they didn't raise a lot of money, she said it was about $80.00
I don't believe her, but that's what she claims they made

No. 768988

Spoke to soon Angela is trying for a kid

No. 769015

>>768939
Did anyone notice Avelina’s ig story including her sending payment to IBF if 1800$ for their “love child” (bags)??? Like why did that need posted????

No. 769041

What's with some non-sage posts being hidden?

No. 769048

>>766954
>>766947
Even the hair isn't original to Freyja, she took a very basic trad look that's been done a million times and claimed it as her own original look. That shape and style has been common since the late 70's, so saying Nadia copied anything is kinda cringey of her especially as I feel Nadia's dress sense/clothing style is way more interesting than Freyja's ever been. I feel for her getting dragged in to the drama just for dating Mr Owl as Nadia herself hasn't really done anything of note.

No. 769055

>>769048
Don't forget how IBF always claims "I w4$ b0rN GOFF" and how she's always been goth even though she literally used to dress in all pink kek

No. 769057

>>768972
$80 from a fan base of almost 1/2 a million at the time? Shit doesn't add up

No. 769089

>>769057
She didn't have half a million back then, because I remember the very first video I saw of her was the "leaving my fiance?" video, where she talked about impulse moving to Germany and leaving Mr. owl. that was when she started dating Matthias, and that was when I first subscribed to her and she had around 60k at that time. But I still think she probably made more than 80$ from the gofundme (or whatever platform she was using to raise money)

No. 769117

>>769048
I don't think Nadia copies IBF at all, totally different goth styles. But I disagree when you said that they have the same hair shape/style. They're just both teased, they look nothing alike.

>>768972
Interesting… I remember it being something like 1000 dollars.
Still not enough to have supported her during years in germany, including many trips.

No. 769128

>>769089
>>769117
I remember her crowdfunding a trip to Disneyland or something and she got $5k. I figured that the pERfeCt g0Ff couple's wedding got a lot of donations. PLUS she was also selling tickets to the livestream of the wedding

No. 769129

>>766903
I just scrolled all the way through his insta and didn't see them, I guess he deleted them although he still has other old pics of her up

No. 769145

Mummy plug…(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 769146

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No. 769195

Classy

No. 769196

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Lol

No. 769306

>>766955
What is even the point of this? She's so desperate to be noticed, first by IBF and now TT. Pathetic.

No. 769389

>>769146
>>769306
Who is this woman? She writes in a very strange way like when she says "sturdy as…" and "looks as mean as…" without completing the sentence, what the hell is this?

Is she seriously a great grandmother of a 5 year old? And is still buying shit from Avelina deHorsey! Ok, be an old goth, it doesn't matter. But are you this immature to be fangirling over youtubers and buying their overpriced, not that original products?

No. 769391

>>769048
IIRC she said she copied Mana Sama's style.

No. 769395

>>769391
She did say that. I think it was in her "ungoth confessions" video.

No. 769471

>>769389

The unfinished sentences are an Aussie/New Zealander thing. It’s like saying “that’s sweet as!” Though now dickheads would add “bro” to the end of it.

Ibf raised under 100$ for the wedding, please go check the threads back for screen shots. I don’t know how this is still coming up when it’s been addressed.

Avelina posts money going out to ibf and the others every time. I’m assuming she does this publicly so no one can say she doesn’t send anything out or to protect her ass Incas one of these people say she hasn’t done it so they can get more money/burry her business

No. 769621

>>769128
"selling tickets" for the wedding when she made a video anyway, how money hungry is she? Although, her fans are basically asking to be exploited by donating to a scam and not batting an eyelid, or doing patreon when all they get back is lazy unboxings.

No. 769624

>>766947
She wishes Nadia was copying her. Nadia makes some of her clothes and has an interesting authentic look. Meanwhile IBF is a walking stereotype. Nice to know Owl’s a creep and Freyja is a weirdo jealous of a chick barely out of her teens. The only person copying IBF is lilithlunalou.

>>769055
Not only that, Mana influenced her hair and her style too. She just says Siouxsie and Elvira did nowadays to avoid being called a poseur (which she isn’t, IMO. She was just being a typical teen back then). Her music taste from back then wasn’t goth either, just v-kei bands. These threads have made me really lose respect for IBF, lmao.

No. 769654

>>769624
Yeah I remember she did say she was really into Malice Mizer in one of her older Q&A videos and it totally makes sense since Mana was known for teasing his hair in a bird's nest kind of way when he wasn't doing pigtails.

But I agree, she isn't a poser compared to TT, she's just a has-been. And I agree that Nadia's style is a lot more interesting to look at then Friday's. Friday's looks used to be interesting before she became a huge Killstar/Punk-Rave whore and not really making her own looks just relying on a generic look.

No. 769764

>>769621
She's an ebeggar. Unfortunately, youtube is crawling with them

No. 769974

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4rEVOoOhQ6A

Thoughts?(https://lolcow.farm/info)

No. 769982

>>769974
Embed.

No. 770178

>>769974

I like Baby Doll Peach so I'll probably watch it to find other goth YouTubers

No. 770189

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>>769974
WTH is this? I got seriously scared…

No. 770283

>>769974
The fact that they included people like Toxic Tears, Emily Boo, Avelina, Dre Ronanye, Bishop, & TheHauntedBat, I have to scoff at the word "Goth" in that title. I actually had to look up some of the other people and most of them are not even Goths (liking dark makeup and collecting Killstar or being into Wicca don't mean anything as far as Goth is concerned). This little project literally only has like 4 actual Goths in it (Miss E, Accumortis, Radically Dark, & Ligea). Orphea555 is more of a Darkly-Inclined Rivethead. So yeah, "Goth", I just have to have a laugh at.

Why do I get the feeling this is just going to be some fashion related thing? I only say this because of the channels are just Killstar/GOFF Clothing hauls lol.

>>770178
Believe me hon, if you're looking for actual Goth YouTubers in that compilation, there are only like 4 actual Goths in there. The rest are either just Darkly-Inclined or Occultists (assuming the ones who do Witch stuff are actually into it and not just the pop side of it).

No. 770303

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I was super digging the goth girl from that Barcoft doc until she admitted this.

No. 770320

>>770303
Eh that Barcroft girl was not even a real Goth. When I watched that documentary and heard going on and about her "Goth lifestyle" while listing off her Killstar clothes, I knew this chick was not a real Goth and when she reached for her Black Veil Brides guitar, that was just the cherry on top and it really all made sense lol

So the fact of her loving Jake and considering his channel good content is really not surprising to me personally. Though I'm sure Jake is all giddy kek.

No. 770326

>>770320
>>770303
which barcroft documentary?

>>770283
it didn't occur to me that anyone sees Dre as being goth, she is so far from it

No. 770342

>>770326
It was the girl who was in that Barcroft video called "The Goth who lives with a Lolita Doll". Her name is Bishop on YouTube. The friendship was interesting but the girl is not a Goth.

And yeah, Dre is the furthest thing from Goth but that promo video had so many non-goths in it so I'm not surprised.

No. 770529

>>770283
Yeah it's mostly just people who are superficially goff, which is most of the bigger goff tubers (IBF, TT). Ofc there's nothing wrong with liking clothes, unless it becomes the only thing about you. How their lazy repetitive unboxings are so popular is beyond me.

No. 770554

>>770320
She also said somewhere that she mainly likes trap music…ew
She is just in it for the looks

No. 770898

>>770529
Exactly. I feel bad for thinking that but it's freaking true. Most of those channels have no Goth music mentions, not even in their music playlists so you just know they are just the pure definition of a Goth poseur. Thinking that dressing GOFF is enough to be one, yeah no fam.

And yeah, there's absolutely nothing wrong with liking clothes but that's literally what most (excluding the 4 I mentioned prior) are about, nothing of actual relation to Goth.

As for the lazy repetitive unboxings being popular, the only explanation I can think of is that the main people who watch them are other people just like them (I.E Goff Poseurs) who feel validated in their goffness by watching them.

>>770554
Oh I must've missed that but yeah, bleh indeed. I mean like what you like lady, you're not a Goth. It's funny because I was actually willing to give her the benefit of the doubt when I first watched it. She looked like someone who may be into Deathrock so I was waiting for her to mention something about that or at least the Trad Goth bands since that was the initial impression I got from her. But then she opened her closet and it was filled to the brim with Killstar stuff and it was there I knew "Dude, this chick is not a Goth." And when she was saying how she wanted to be a rockstar and reached for her Black Veil Brides guitar, that was definitely the final nail in the coffin for me LOL

Honestly Barcroft has only had one actual Goth on there and that was the guy with the big mowhawk.

No. 770904

>>770898
>the main people who watch them are other people just like them (I.E Goff Poseurs)
Oh, like that Bishop chick's fav YTer being sellout beggar Jake. He's way into hauls now, it won't be long before he hoards as bad as TT.
Kek maybe the clothes avalanche TT ~almost died~ in wasn't just her clothes.

No. 770922

>>770342
>>770326

Dre literally calls herself a "professional emo" on her social media. Idk how she can be a poser. Shes not claiming to be anything she isnt.

No. 770927

>>770904
Oh for sure. If Jake becomes a hauling whore just like TT, they're just going to run out of room much quicker and will then start e-begging again complaining that they have no more room in their house and either need to move into a bigger house. Oh and don't forget to donate! I can see it now LOL

>>770922
I just poke more at her from how she was back in the year when she did that "How I got into Goth" video (I can't remember the exact name, it's been awhile) and she said every Mall-Goth stereotype there was which only had her painted as a poseur. If she's not calling herself a Goth anymore, fair enough but then she really doesn't belong in the "Goth" Special project then but too be fair, most of them don't belong there but eh, what can ya do?

No. 770955

>>770898
It’s wild how many of these people are actual mallgoths in 2019, from their style to the music they listen to. Caked in killstar, they’d probably die if they were forced to go thrifting or to sew a patch on a jacket. I don’t see what is really goth about killstar either, their clothes are just darkly inclined. It’s why mostly metalhead chicks wear it. Again, I’m quite happy I see none of these poseurs in real life, oh the cringe.

No. 771033

>>770955
Yep, most of these people are just MallGoths. Killstar today is what Tripp was back during the early 00s with the MallGoth back then. And you're so right, I feel like if you took away the Killstar and had them go thrifting, they would have frustrating time for sure because they wouldn't know how to start. But even with all that said, I could forgive this all if they actually were into Goth music but most of them aren't. Excluding the 4 I pointed out earlier, if you go to the other people's channels and take a gander at the kind of video they do, it's nothing but KILLSTAR "GOTH" HAUL! Makeup, and Witch stuff. The few who mention music, they usually just list Metal music.

And then you'e like "Hm… Okay, well maybe they may listen to Goth music but they just haven't talked about it? Why don't we check their music playlists?". So you do that and either A), they don't have one, just nothing but fashion & makeup playlists or B),there is not any actual Goth music in their playlists. It's just disappointing.

And yeah, there is nothing Goth about Killstar. Oh big deal, it has stuff plastered in pentacles, pentagrams, and other various Occult symbols, it doesn't make the item a "goth" piece of clothing, far from it. It's just darkly-inclined stuff and exactly, it's mostly only metalhead edgy chicks who wear it.

No. 771040

>>771033
I personally don't see the whole issue with being interested in goth fashion but not the music? no one ever says that about any other type of music, like "you can't dress in cowboy boots and cowboy hats if you don't listen to country music and go square dancing every week". of course, I don't know how people would act if people like TT and jake didn't use the label "goth" and admitted that they were only into the fashion, but it seems like almost every one gets accused of being a poseur because "goth" is such a nebulous category of music (imo anyway, because I don't know the defining characteristic of what makes music "Goth")

No. 771041

>>771040
It's because goth is mainly a music based subculture. You wouldn't call yourself a metalhead and not listen to metal. Cowboy boots and hats are not exclusive to western music, they are a part of a lifestyle that happened to adopt country music. Goth is a subculture that had music that created and adopted a fashion style

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>>771041
>You wouldn't call yourself a metalhead and not listen to metal.

Who knows. Such people do exist. But metal poseurs at least listen to one band in most cases. Well.. or at least know few songs of that one band. Typically one or two.

No. 771049

>>771046
All I can think of are tcc thots who pretend to like Darkthrone and Mayhem, but actually like shit tier soundcloud rap almost exclusively from my experience

No. 771054

Ok now what in the works is going on with Adora? Check her latest posts. She’s always claimed to be a Christian but she’s taking it to a whole new level. She just posted some Instagram post and she’s crying in the church and praying on her “way to be free”. Has she gotten tired of whoring? Could it be that her ex wants to take full custody of the kids? That’s not easy in Sweden if that was the case but I’m curious that she’s now going from skank to nun kek.

No. 771061

>>771054
Judging by the comments her grandma has died. I didn't listen to the videoclip but I assume that's why she was crying. She is very stoic in regard to guys, it's all just "fun" for her which is presumably why she got divorced. (Though I suspect there was more to it than that). It will be a cold day in hell when she's crying about a man

No. 771064

>>771061
Still pretty lame to post a video crying. I listened and she’s crying for her grandma who died when she was 14 years old? That was what 30 years ago?
Why now then? Her life seems to be getting weird, I’m sure there must be something behind all this church stuff. I would not be surprised if she ends up having some breakdown and turns into a normal woman. She used to be cool when she did DIY shit, makeup tutorials and even talked about music every now and then but now it’s simply about her body and which “pretty boy” she’s making people think she’s sleeping with. She was head over heels with her ex, she for sure was not the one who left him.

No. 771065

>>771064
I agree things are getting a bit weird, like the three post b+w arty nudes from last week (she also opened up slots for people to buy her nudes), and the suggestion of what happened on New Years (big fights+ maybe shagged some people).
It would be good if she got a bit more creative as before and maybe took life more serious now she's a single mom (does her ex just mind the kids while she parties? How does she make money?)

No. 771066

>>771065
In Sweden the divorce process when you have kids is a lot about benefiting the children’s well-being so the kids usually live one week with the father and one week with the mother, so most of the time the parents are bound to stay in the same town until the kids are old enough, or make a custody agreement. So she probably parties when she doesn’t have the kids, every other week. I don’t think she fucks as many guys as she wants people to think. Also her ex was briefly dating a normal looking woman that looked also in her 40’s but it seems like it didn’t last. I really wonder what happened in there, Adora has a crisis and there are rumours that she’s not an easy person to be friends with (likes drama a lot and likes to try and change people to fit her aesthetics standards). Remember when Victoria was always fangirling over her and now she never even looks glad beside her?

No. 771072

>>768988
is that somehow a bad thing?

No. 771074

>>771066
>Adora has a crisis and there are rumours that she’s not an easy person to be friends with (likes drama a lot and likes to try and change people to fit her aesthetics standards).

Just watch her last WGT video with "numbering" "friends". That's some non standard behavior even for a Swede.

No. 771077

>>771074
I remember when her sister posted a rant about a “family member” judging her friends because they were not alternative enough and that said family member only cared about friends being super alternative… she was obviously talking about Adora. Shortly after that she moved to USA and turned into a more hipster looking girl. So I guess she was also being pressured by Adora to look super alternative when she was maybe not digging the lifestyle anymore. If her own sister has a beef with her, well that speaks volumes.

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>>770922
She calls herself goth in a lot of her videos. Kek maybe she's one of those people who use emo and goth interchangeably

No. 771142

>>771040
Except no, Goth is not a nebulous term, it's always been about the music, it's just that the mainstream bastardized it in the 90s when the scene went underground after the attention from the 80s died down.

And I don't know what you're talking about, it's like that for any music-based culture. A Metalhead listens to metal music. An emo listens to Post-Hardcore & Emotive Hardcore (otherwise shortened to "Emo"), and a Punk listens to Punk Rock. Goth is literally no different.

When you see someone dressing up as a punk but they don't listen to actual Pink music, they've been called poseurs too, this was definitely a thing back then. And it's just the true definition of being a "Poseur", dressing up as something for superficial reasons but not actually liking what the thing is centered around.

>>771041
Exactly yhis and even the fashion, the ACTUAL Goth fashion was inspired by the musicians themselves (Siouxsie Sioux, Robert Smith, Rozz Williams, etc.).

>>771111
Fucking hell man lol Yeah honestly, I feel like she just uses "Goth" when she wants to get attention for her videos even though like I said above, she's just some big MallGoth and not a real Goth.

I'll just put it bluntly. In my experience, actual Goths on YouTube don't get popular or very well known because they don't whore out Killstar hauls or unboxings, they usually do talk about the music or other things unrelated to strictly fashion or makeup.

No. 771169

>>771046
They usually just listen to Dunkelheit over and over again while wearing black metal band shirts. Idk, I consider just listening to one band and calling yourself a metalhead still makes one a poseur. While it is music based, I feel these scenes have a spirit. It explains people like Erin Micklow, she listens to punk, yet is still considered a poseur to people in the punk scene. I would assume it's because she's just a scene kid (wow that term doesn't get used much) actually. Same with Snowy, she listened to goth, something was still off though. Now she's normie and seldom listens to goth music.

>>771142
It's always funny to me how defensive people get when you simply say "goth is a music based subculture, if you aren't into the music, you aren't goth". You literally don't see this for any other music based subculture, punks don't do this, metalheads don't do this, people into actual emo music (not P!ATD, sorry guys) don't do this. It's always these so called "goths", why is that?

No. 771201

>>770922
She's not emo either. Emo is a post-hardcore genre of music. So unless she's secretly a huge Orchid fan…

No. 771209

>>771201
She has a My Chemical Romance tattoo.

No. 771224

>>771201
Sadly, most people think of emo as depressed tweens in black who cut themselves because their mom took away their iPad while listening to my chemical romance, panic at the disco, motionless in white, and black veil brides.

No. 771240

>>771224
Anon, that's exactly what emo is. Maybe it used to mean something different, when the music was newly emerging, but this is what it's turned into.
Of course though all subcultures go through change over time, like goth in some ways becoming a beauty contest sponsored by killstar.

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No. 771253

>>771240
I know, I figured the anon I was responding to is just an OG emo who cringes at what it's become. As for the Killstar lovin' fake goffs, why don't they just call themselves vampires? It sounds ridiculous, but think about it. They wouldn't have to deal with us calling them poseurs, they could wear Killstar all day long without evil elitist boolies saying it's not goth fashion but just darkly inclined clothes. But best of all, they'd be doing what they love the most, walking in the footsteps of early 2000s Gerard Way. It sounds like a win win situation in my opinion!

>>771248
I only watched 10 seconds of this, bc I don't trust you and the videos you post, anon. But I will say, I really like what he's wearing in this. Looks like what Alice was trying to pull off in the last thread.

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No. 771368

>>771336
Dre with blonde hair, I see Kaya and Jake there too, kek. It’s official, they’re vampkids now.

No. 771392

>>771169
Oh no, I totally agree. If your claim to calling yourself any music-based subgenre fan when you only listen to like one or two bands from the genre, then you're not really a -insert music-based subculture here- because being such would mean you continued to dig and find more of that particular music to add to your music collection, playlist, etc and keep in mind, I'm not pointing my fingers at those who are merely just starting out and taking their time, that's totally okay and understandable but I'm pointing my finger more at the people who listen to like one or two bands and then stop right after that but still call themselves -insert music-subculture term here-. I mean it's the reason why I don't call myself a "Metalhead". I enjoy some metal but not enough where I actively seek out new bands on a consistent basis (it's more of a once in a while thing where I seek out new metal bands).

And good observation on Erin, it totally applies to her lol. As for Snowy, I never really watched her outside of the "You don't have to listen to Goth music to be a Goth" spheal. If anything, maybe she was forcing herself to be into Goth for whatever reason but eventually got tired of it and thus, started becoming "normal".

And EXACTLY. It's hilarious how goth is the only music-based subculture that gets this kind of thing yet you know people would definitely say something if people were saying that Metal is not about music if they like to dress up in fantasy garb and take selfies or photos of themselves out in the wilderness while having the occasional larping as a warrior lol

>>771201
Oh she doesn't listen to emo music neither?

>>771209
Contrary to popular belief, MCR aren't an emo band, they were always Alternative.

>>771224
It's just funny because if these people actually looked at what Emo actually looked like in the 90s, they would have to do a double-take lol.

>>771253
>Call these Killstar Fake Goffs "Vampires"

I don't know anon… Would you really want those into actual Vampirism have to deal with these people? LOL

>>771368
Perfect lol.

No. 771415

>>771392

>you're not really a -insert music-based subculture here- because being such would mean you continued to dig and find more of that particular music to add to your music collection, playlist, etc


So the first generation goths who listen to old music because so much of the new music is derivative or who have explored other genres in the subsequent decades should thereby relinquish their identity?

No. 771437

>>771415
Absolutely not because these people were around when the scene was just starting so it's totally understandable that there weren't many Goth bands in the early 80s for them to listen to assuming you're talking about the people who were around when the scene began. Sorry, I'm just trying to be sure.

Now if you're talking about people said older people who just stick with the older music because they think the newer Goth bands just sound like copies of the first wave bands, eh they still would be considered Goths because by the end of the 80s, there were more than enough Goth bands around.

No. 771539

>>771415
Le comprehensive reading fail appears!

No. 771743

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So sick of this bitch ruining killstar. Do you reckon we could petition the brand to stop working with her?

No. 771754

>>771743
How can you ruin Killstar? It's overpriced but cheaply made trash, most of it basic black clothing with a white print over it. Also plenty off accusations of art theft. The lace they're using in their attempt at Romantic Goth looks so cheap and scratchy, too.

No. 771758

>>771754
Its not a 2,000 btssb special order, its a freaking 40 quid fashion dress at most.
I like killstar for lounging around in at home, I'm old enough to remember when you had to look hard to even find black in normie clothing stores and tickled to see alternative brands with a dark aesthetic have started in the ladt few years. If you wait for the sales can get tops & dresses for a tenner they're not bad on a par with river island quality, but certainly not lolita brand if that's what you are alluding to.

No. 771764

>>771743
Why does she always wear Killstar and never e.g. DIY? She has a sewing machine and everything in her attic.

Kek perhaps Instagram approved goff "brand" clothes validate her goffness since she's so materialistic. I seriously wonder if she has a sense of self outside of clothes. If not that's pretty unhealthy, and could explain (partly) why she hoards…

No. 771766

>>771209
They're pop punk
>>771224
Oh i know. The musicians who invented emo hate the word. It's really just sad, less political hardcore punk. I think scene fits them more. Darkly inclined scene?>>771392
Vamprism is for posers in junior high.
>>771764
She can't commit to anything. Like she's a "huge harry potter fan" but can't be fucked to read the books. Children's books.

No. 771897

>>771766
A year or so ago she had books stacked in her vids bg and said she hasn't read any of them either. But several more years ago (she was still slim) she read Oscar Wilde in a vlog. Weird how much she changed.

No. 771909

I have kinda a confusing question. If someone listens to goth music, but not daily and prefers EBM and industrial in their day-to-day life, are the still a goth?
There was a bit of controversy I found that these people are should be called rivetheads? Or they're goth and just a specific part of it?

No. 771996

>>771766
>Vamprism is for posers in junior high

Please pass the Clamato juice. LOL

>>771909
Hi there anon, I'll be happy to give an honest opinion on this. Honestly it REALLY depends on the person. If the person does listen to Goth music, knows what it sounds like, and at least enjoys it (and not want to shut it off lol) and you've accumulated at the very most, at least 5-10 Goth (no matter the subgenre from Goth, Darkwave, Ethereal Wave, Coldwave, or Deathrock) bands you enjoy yet you don't listen to it on the daily, then I'd still consider the person a Goth. But if the person only listens to like 1 or 2 Goth bands and they only listen to it like once in a blue moon then no, I wouldn't consider these people Goth at all.

> EBM & Industrial music in their day to day life


Well I'd defintiely consider these people Rivetheads or Industrialists as these are the people who love/enjoy Industrial music. Industrial music is not Goth and it never has been. The only relation they have is that in the mid to late 80s, Goth clubs would host events that catered to both Goth and Industrial music which catered to two different subcultures. Think of it like Lollapalooza with how it's a festival for different kinds of music fans from Rockers fanto Hip-Hop heads and Ravers, it's pretty much the same deal with Goth vs Industrial, two different music-based subcultures that tend to be okay with each other.

I should also specify that it's a total misconception that Industrial music came from Goth because it didn't, it actually came from electronic music while Goth came from Post-Punk. Just thought I'd mention this now if you weren't sure.

I hope this helps!

No. 772003

>>771996
Thank you. By that definition I'm not goth I dress alternatively, and gothy, but find most post-punk too calm for me.
But I guess nowadays nobody cares anymore since people call me "goth" all the time.

No. 772028

>>772003
Eh… I don't really think "Gothy" would be the right term because "Gothy" would mean you're wearing some type of clothing that references Goth music memorabilia via Goth band shirts, patches, and other item. I think what you might mean is maybe dressing dark assuming you're just saying you wear a lot of black.

> Post Punkk too calm for me


Well like I mentioned in the other post, there are actually 5 sub-genres of Goth music, it's not only Post-Punk sounding stuff.

- Goth Rock
- Darkwave
- Deathrock
- Coldwave
- Ethereal Wave

So I mean if you're ever wanting to try out Goth music again, I'd recommend checking out some of the other aforementioned subgenres if you haven't already.

> But I guess nowadays nobody cares anymore sicne people call me "goth" all the time


I can more than tell that the people who do this dodn't know what actual Goth is in the first place. I know that sounds judgy but more often than not, that's usually the case so I wouldn't take these people seriously.

No. 772090

>>771758 Where did I mention Lolita? This is TT not Alison Eckfield, why would Lolita even be relevant? That dress looks itchy to wear. You can get lace that isn't scratchy on plenty of alternative clothes (even Dark Star's chunky lace is more comfortable than that), and even on plenty of normie clothes. There's nicer lace on some stuff from Primark compared to that. There's been alternative brands with a dark aesthetic for decades - Raven, Dark Star, Shrine of Hollywood, Phaze, Bogey's Underground if you want to go waaaaaay back.

No. 772092

>>771758
And what even is a 2000 btssb special order?

No. 772097

Can't they all just behave like it's the 1980s when it was all simple and nobody analysed themseves that deeply and y'know, went to clubs, danced and drank snakebite?

No. 772177

>>772028
> Goth Rock Deathrock Coldwave
> different subgenres

Stop spreading misinformation anon.

They are alternative names for same set - one is UK name, one is European name and one is USA name.

No. 772178

>>772177

I mean UK - Gothic Rock
General Europe - Cold Wave
USA - Deathrock

No. 772185

>>770283
At least TheHauntedBat doesn't call herself Goth.
I think its probably just gonna be a haul or something.

No. 772188

This

No. 772200


No. 772210

>>772177
They are subgenre of the Goth genre. That's literally all I meant. All those genres take the key foundation from Goth but layer other instruments within them.

> Darkwave = Adds in Synth

> Coldwave = Just French
> Deathrock = Uses the foundational
structure that is used in Goth but it adds more emphasis on the roughness of the guitar playing.
> Ethereal Wave = Layers in Synths but also occasional classical instruments or for lack of better word, "Dreamy" style singing.

First-Wave Goth set up the foundation and it teetered into those subgenres, they are just in the Goth camp. It's like Metal and all its subgenres like Symphonic Metal, Gothic Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal, etc.

>>772185
She doesn't but still, if something is being labeled "Goth", you'd expect to see I dunno, actual Goths in it? 4 out of 26 is just laughable. But you're right, it's most-likely going to be some vapid haul or something. Because you ucan't get enough of those Goff hauls amirite?(Stop derailing)

No. 772252

>>772210
> Coldwave = Just French

Bullshit. Total bullshit.You are not from Europe it seems if you post such a nonsense. Go ask literally anyone from Itally, Macedonia or Poland. They used that term in the '80s for both local bands and UK bands. Yes SatB, Bauhaus, Killing Joke included. And Christian Death from the US of fucking A.

> Deathrock = Uses the foundational structure that is used in Goth but it adds more emphasis on the roughness of the guitar playing.


Deathrock is just a local name for dark post punk music. As goth rock was originally a local name too. Rough guitars were present in every scene in case of some bands in some tracks in other bands in most of tracks.

Why is it such a rocket science for anyone under 35 nowadays? Partially because they barely know any bands except form maybe 10-15 most known names from UK and USA most likely, occasionally some German bands. So they think that rough and even harsh guitars is USA only thing. No, nope, nada. Brits had it too. It was gothic rock for Brits. And mainland Euros had it, Yugos had it, even Soviet Union and Asians. They called it Cold Wave. Yes I'm talking about the '80s and even '90s.

Attempts to make Coldwave, Gothic Rock and Deathrock different subgenres is just pure bullshit that was not even popular like 6 years ago. I remember typing Deathrock brought just one compilation on youtube around 2013. And all bands that millenials qualify with such a passion as "obviously Deathrock, not Cold Wave, not Gothic Rock" were reachable and tagged as Gothic Rock. What a fucking surprise.(Stop derailing)

No. 772257

>>772252
Example - Polish band 1984, recording from around mid 80s. This music was called "Cold Wave" back then in communist Poland.

No. 772258

>>772210
Who wants to place bets on it being a Killstar haul?
Because there's not enough of those already. (sarcasm).

No. 772259

If you look in the description of the collab video it does say 'goth and alternative youtubers' so some of them probably don't even identify as goth.

No. 772261

>>772258
Maybe Queen of Darkness? I don't remember any haul of their products in quiet a while.

No. 772303

>all of these subgenre names

Movements in the arts typically are not assigned monikers until some time into their existence or even retrospectively. Most music styles of the 20th century and forward have been christened by the press, often to the initial resentment of the musicians and fans thereof.

I was a DJ at two of the oldest east coast college/indie radio stations during the 80s and early 90s. I read NME, Melody Maker, Option, and CMJ, and ordered records from importers like Burning Airlines, and I don't recall hearing, let alone using, these terms at the time. Everything not played on commercial FM radio was referred to broadly as "underground" and "alternative". Sans genre names we grouped bands and identified styles primarily by label and locale. The station libraries and record stores were segregated only into the broad categories of rock, jazz, classical, and folk.

In the US the wane of record imports from the UK and Europe that happened at the end of the decade due to changes in import/export taxes and economics definitely influenced the musical tastes of listeners of alternative music and contributed to the divide between the US and foreign scenes. College radio was its primary venue, and stations were no longer receiving promos from overseas labels. Our new releases shelf became dominated by American indie rock and grunge bands. DJs into music on independent labels from the UK and Europe had to seek it out and access it on their own dime. With the cost of import records doubling at the time, record stores and DJs were not able to take chances on buying releases from unheard new bands. This led to the proliferation of label-based compilations, but the lack of free distribution to radio stations was still a huge impediment. One station I worked at allocated a portion of its budget towards ordering imports, and the wish list was impossibly long.

The selections on the CMJ Certain Damage! compilations of the time are representative of the dearth of independent imports. Only the largest foreign indie labels were represented while American labels run out of bedrooms dominated.

https://www.discogs.com/label/41310-College-Music-Journal(Stop derailing)

No. 772327

>>771743
I'm so tired of the Shillstar hauls. If channels like TT and IBF are going to just be unboxing channels I at least wish they would branch out to other brands, preferably more obscure ones with higher quality clothes or more ethical business practices. But nah, we all know that's not gonna happen because they would actually have to spend money and not get free clothes to shill on youtube..

No. 772423

>>772303
Yes, indeed a lot of these music was "christened" by press. That's why there were different terms in different locations for same music and even same bands. Different area - different redactions. Yet if you listen to dark USA post punk and dark Yugoslavian and dark UK post punk, you will hear very similar elements, vibe and aesthetics. Even if they happen to not directly rip off UK bands. Some of these bands member happen to wear makeup, other not, some wear punk clothing, other dress casual.

Even what is called as "post punk" was known to my as "new wave" by most of my life. I even didn't hear term gothic rock like until the early '00s. Yet I have been listening to it for quiet a few years already. It was just known to me as Cold Wave. That's the name that was used back then in my scene. Even nowadays people who were into that music in th '80s mostly refuse to use the term gothic rock. And no, I'm not living in France as some poorly informed goths seriously believe that term Cold Wave was just French thing. Cold Wave was the most widespread term for dark post punk in Europe int he '80s. USSR included. No matter if it was slow or wild and rough. And no one would change that by simply denying it. The only groups who deny seems to be younger people from UK and USA exclusively. Typically with very limited knowledge of even their local scene's music.(You got told to stop derailing.)

No. 772466

>>772327
I agree. Though it probably wouldn't be too hard for IBF to get free shit before TT since she actually models the clothes a lot better. But yeah, it's pretty obvious why they only shill for Shillstar and will keep doing it until they get cut off and have to find some other company to sponsor them.

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>>772660
Samefag to add that while this haircut is so unflattering to her, she does actually look decent at the end of the vid.

No. 772852

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couldn't wipe off the acne cream before uploading, eh Kaya?

No. 772853

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this is what I see at the end of my bed when I'm having sleep paralysis

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No. 772861

>>772853
holy cow… how can her skin be SO bad!? all that junk food and sugary shit is really taking it's toll

No. 772866

>>772861

She has a skin peel mask on in that shot to be fair, it's not actually that red.

No. 772874

>>772852
To be fair, acne cream is doing something about her shitty skin.

No. 773015

>>772852
the point of the video is a 'glow up' challenge, so she had the cream on her face for that.

she should really let the side grow in and re-section if she needs to have them shaved b/c even she knows it looks bad unless her hair is down. at least the video was about something else besides unboxing or showing off stuff.

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>>772660
Da fuq gurl

No. 773067

>>772853
Toxic Face

No. 773087

>>772327
Is it fair to say that IBF and TT have reached sell out status? They don't branch out like they used to and just crap out Shillstar every other week.

No. 773095

>>772660
She shaved too high for her hairline/face shape. Looks like a fuckin egg.

No. 773096

>>773095
She should let two pieces grow at the front to frame her face better

No. 773097

>>772861
yeah, she has a red colored mask on her face in this part of the video, her skin isn't quite that bad

>>773015
i agree, i don't really enjoy the 'glow up challenge' videos much but it's nice she did something besides a haul/unboxing for once

>>772666
i've always thought her hair was rather unflattering to her face, her hair is super flat and limp and i always thought she'd look better with more body or volume in it, and the side shave doesn't help (though to be honest i have never been a fan of the side shave trend)

No. 773143

>>773087
Sell out would be an understatement but I think that phrase should be reserved more for IBF than TT because TT always had boring lackluster content. IBF was the more interesting of the two in the beginning and well yeah… She just sold out.

>>773097
>i've always thought her hair was rather unflattering to her face, her hair is super flat and limp and i always thought she'd look better with more body or volume in it, and the side shave doesn't help (though to be honest i have never been a fan of the side shave trend)

Hair definitely is subjective because personally I don't mind the pin-straight flat hair look as it can look nice when paired correctly with the right makeup. But I get what you're saying, she probably would look better with more voluminous hair.

No. 773210

>>773143
Oh yeah IBF is definitely a sell out, and she's cashing in the results behind the viewers back.
Obviously people can do whatever with their money, but people donate her Patreon to fund her videos, and all she does is hauls which costs £0.00 to make.
So where's that money going Freyja? The same place the wedding scam cash went? Or to help fund moving to Scotland?

I also don't get how her fans don't realise this. Hell this goes for most cows, and its why their fans are just as interesting sometimes.

No. 773212

>>773095
It seems like Jake was the one who actually shaved her hair, so maybe he did that on purpose. He's enough of a dick to do that.

No. 773227

>>773210
Exactly and never mind that with the boring haul videos that cost nothing to make, she doesn't even upload frequently, uploading videos every few months. If I was a fan who was supporting her financially, I would've thrown in the towel long ago.

And I'm sure all the money she's pocketing is going to the moving trip. I mean how else can someone who has no real job can make such a move like that without some sort of money. She has a Patreon where she makes enough to do a move if she had no other financial obligations like paying for the apartment she had in Germany.

No. 773257

IBF has posted nothing new in Patreon that you can see for free on YouTube. This bitch takes everyone’s money and gives nothing back at this stage.

No. 773276

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>>773095
>She shaved too high for her hairline/face shape.

Oh my gash, like she would be the first alt grlll in history that shaved this high. Yaaaawn

No. 773514

>>773276
Never learnt comprehensive reading? Not the first in history lol.

Looks like TT wanted a "normal" side shave and fucked it up. Funny considering how much she values looks.

No. 773543

>>773257
That's even worse! So her fans aren't getting squat and they're just okay with that? I can't help but feel that a lot of them may have even forgotten that they pledged to her on Patreon to be honest lol.

No. 773553

>>773276

This girl has a pretty thin face with defined cheekbones and jaw line. Her face is quite thin so even if she shaves a higher hairline or sides, her face will not look unflatteringly wider. Tbh she can pull it off because her face shape is very conventionally attractive even if her choice in hair style is not.

>>772660

Kaya has more if a diamond/oval face. Her face has more volume and less of a defined bone structure. Tbh a hair cut with a shave that exposes more of her face/head will only emphasize the width of her face. You have to know the rules before you break them. Applies in both art and fashion.

Shes not that naturally attractive, she face is very round and lets face it, her chin and jaw line sag.

But she'd REALLY improve her looks of she had a fringe and maybe added some volume with curls or crimping.

No. 773574

>>730576
>>773276
who is this

No. 773583

>>734581

Imagine being goth, emo or lolita in the year 2019. To the rest of the world it's such a transparent plee for attention.

No. 773589

>>773583
it’s plea you conformist retard(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 773600

>>773589

IT'S NOT A PHASE MOM!
Jeez I was like you in highschool - dw you'll grow out of it.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 773612

>>773574
old (like from around 10 years ago) wedding photos of sum randum alt grl frum RuSSia.

No. 773666

>>773600
Just because you were poseur at highschool who did it because it was cOoL at the time doesnt mean that the rest of the world is that pathetic

No. 773697

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Adora mentioned reopening her „pay to see my tits“-club and the weird thing is that she put down her ex-husbands e-mail adress as contact.

Also, did anyone else notice how she posts during the night and writes about sleeping till late morning? Not what I would expect from a stay-at-home mom, or any mom with kids at home.

No. 773702

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Saw this on insta, wtf is this makeup?

No. 773710

>>773702
Uh this isn't even remarkable for "normie" insta makeup

No. 773717

>>773702
While this is yet another instagoth poseur, bad makeup really isn't milk. You might see the posts about Kaya's horrendous makeup but she has other cow qualities (which is why she's posted here). This chick you posted is just doing basic darkly-inclined makeup, it's not particularly bad or good imo, just basic. (Reposting bc I replied to the wrong person, oops)

No. 773746

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Dre has joined Kaya on Tik Tok…

No. 773755

>>773746
Does TikTok give people money or something? I refuse to make an account, but from what I've seen it's mostly kids who use the app.

>>773276
I enjoy this image and your typing style, anon.

>>773257
IBF is one of those women who can't do anything without a man by her side it seems, her content gets boring when she's single (which she basically is, let's be real). She's probably on the hunt for some English goff husbando but keeps Barnaby on the side, lmao. I wish she'd at least put out a vlog every now and then. But knowing her, it'd be another lazy clickbait video where she's just staring into the camera and the thumbnail looks like she's crying.

>>772327
Fr, I don't even know why Freyja shills for Killstar. Her taste is quite fancy, she always goes for a bougie goff look which you can't pull off in Killstar. Hell, she rarely even wears the Killstar stuff in public from what I've seen, she usually wears Punkrave stuff. Why shill for something you aren't even wearing often? Smh

No. 773801

>>773755
If killstar will give even KAYA a sponsorship, they must be easy to get free stuff from. And with these cows' lazy entitled asses, that's perfect.
Kind of sad they've gotten too lazy for even minimal-effort hauls and just shill the same brand. They at least used to have variety.

No. 773803

I know this seems like over speculating and nitpicky but I've noticed that Jake almost always likes every single one of Kelly Eden and Reeree Phillips photos but he almost never likes kaya's… in fact, I think the only time I saw him like one of her pics was when he was in it.

No. 773874

>>773803
That's pretty hilarious, he tries so hard to be an asshole. Sorry both those girls are out of your league Jake. Maybe stop kneeling in front of your camera in the gym and get a job

No. 773881

>>773803
He obviously isn't into kaya, and now he's thirsting for not just other people but friends of kaya. How is she oblivious to all this?

>>773874
Yeah Ree is married and has a kid. But, he's onto something with Kelly. She has her own thread mostly about being a whiny thirsty narc iirc. Match made in heaven.
I used to think Jake flirted with her just cos she was there. But maybe he really sensed a kindred spirit kek

No. 773891

Slight OT, but notice how TT has given up on the korea vlogs that are already a year late. Crazy suggestion: Do your job?
She whines to her followers to buy her this and that, but most wouldn't be following her without her videos.

No. 774046

>>768972
it was $2-4 a head who wanted to watch the live stream of them getting married. i was a shill who paid for the wedding shit to be never seen/heard about again. theres no way she only earned $80

No. 774143

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Adora just posted this to her instagram. Is she just trying to mess with everyone by the caption or is she actually hooking up with him?

No. 774154

Nice photo.I guess Simon has a lot of fun times with Adora with or without sex(do they have sex? I think probably yes)

Adoras online persona is awful .Simon seems caring/ sweet.Seen this dynamic before..My guess he is a submissive or possibly occasional switch, or just into some freaky fetish scene? Has Adora shared much about being into BDSM at all?(https://lolcow.farm/info)

No. 774176

>>774154
Click the number of the post you are replying to, and it'll quote that number automatically in the message field for you
By your typing style I think you might to lurk more to learn how to integrate

No. 774219

>>774154
>>774143

How does her kink make it milky? Tbh, it is super tacky and gross and inappropriate that she lets her kids follow her social media where she speaks publicly on her sexlife.

She has a lot of sex. Who cares. Tons of people have tons of weird sex. As long as everyone is a consenting adult, who gives a shit this isnt gossip worthy.

No. 774402

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Does anyone know what happened to the ol' Deathrockets/LA kids? They seemingly thought the sun shined right out of their spooky asses, particularly Nyx-Alexandra. I remember when someone posted screenshots of them (Nyx, Rissy, The Rachels, Nate, etc) tearing apart Joji Grey and Ray Ren using ~transphobic language~ and they all immediately decided they were queer/trans/non-binary to try and save face.

Looks like Eris/Nate (pictured) is the only one that kind of stuck with that new identity. I know Alex fell out with everyone, anyone know what happened to Rissy or the Rachels?
/sage

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omg there is a new twist in the logan dorian issac situation. so logan and dorian are not on each others friend list anymore. dorians wife is with logan 99% of the time and dorian is not part of their relationship. all he got from her for his birthday was a sad little cupcake, they didn't go out and she didnt even get him anything but she can go everywhere with logan. best of all logan is dressing like a girl now so what is he trying to be female because she thinks shes a guy? i have pics but dont know if i can add more here. i dont want to bombard the thread but for now i will post 3 pics of him out in public in a girls skirt and where issac isa calls him a girl. shes worse than raven was, this "girl" has them so confused and twisted, girls are boys and boys are girls and stepdads are fucking their kinda daughter in law. i smell suicide for dorian soon tbh

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No. 774435

>>774426

I see that she has changed her name on her account from Isaac to Isabella Marie. So she is no longer a boi?

No. 774437

>>774426
>girls are boys and boys are girls and stepdads are fucking their kinda daughter in law. i smell suicide for dorian soon tbh
Fucks sakes Raven, no one cared the first time and they still don't care. Logan and Isa are closer in age than you were with your childbride.

No. 774440

>>774426
And you know what, Raven? He's doing the sort of screwing around with identity that kids are supposed to do in their teens, and which you prevented him from doing. Finding your identity is an important part of growing up. So fuck off and leave them alone, no1curr.

No. 774442

>>774426
"Sad little cupcake" as opposed to worthless plastic crap Raven?

No. 774455

>>774437
Don't speak for us all, anon. I care. I don't care who is doing the posting but it's ridiculous to chase away some pretty good milk just because you assume the identity of the person doing the posting. I wish those three would open up their profiles again because there's a plethora of milk there just out of reach. I personally find it very interesting that Isa chose to be known as a boy, then changed to "genderqueer", and Logan went from a boy to presumably gay, to defriending Dorian, and is now exploring his feminine side while having moved in on, and in between, his own friend's wife. I'd give anything to know what's really happening so op please keep feeding.

No. 774509

>>774428
I wouldn't even recognize Logan here, strange. He looks like an entirely different person.

No. 774523

Care or not, it has very little to do in the altcow thread, move it over to raven or something.

No. 774528

>>774402
Havent seen them out in LA for years. Last I heard one was homeless in the bay area.

No. 774547

>>773891
>kaya has given up on the vlogs that are already late
And how is that surprising? I'm pretty sure we were all expecting it. She just wants to keep chugging out those sweet, sweet hauls.

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or maybe, just maybe… its because you put on weight. I'll never truly understand how she doesn't see why her clothes don't fit.

No. 774585

>>774559
forget how tall she is, but i don't get why she constantly cuts herself off horizontally in her outfits. i feel like that contributes to making her look chunky. also, either get the top tailored or sell it, what's the point of holding onto clothes that don't fit right.

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She really cant dress herself. Or pose. Not sure what she was going for with this choice

No. 774643

>>774635
This has gone beyond spooky and into nauseating

No. 774650

>>774635
Pennywise…

No. 774713

>>774635
Maybe she saw jake is now getting more attention than she is and thought this would be hot? Jake got so many fan girls with those awful images and make up.
Man, kaya is a fucking lost cause.

No. 774719

>>774635
This is embarrassing. She is trying to be a mixture of ReeRee and Kelly Eden, and it clashes really fucking badly. She looks like a SoundClout rapper’s grandmother here.

No. 774723

>>774719
Sound cloud rappers grandmother… I can't

>>774635
What is that facial expression

No. 774782

>>774713
Yeah his fans loved it when he made the change back to his awful version of goff. Guess TT was worried he was out-goffing her cos all you need is the clothes guise!

>>774719
Maybe she's caught on that Jake likes them.
Have the toxic twosome and Kelly talked after LA btw? Wonder if Kelly noticed TT's pink barf.

No. 774812

>>774509
He looks so much younger.
I don't blame Dorian and Logan for experimenting with their identities since raven robbed both of them of their childhoods. IMO it would be best if all three of them parted ways for good though and instead attached to normal peers, damaged people clinging to each other just breeds negative cycles.

No. 774820

>>774559
Looked shit on pixielocks, will look extra horrendous on Kaya

No. 774915

>>774782
Yeah they both think goth is just looks. And by that logic, jakes goth cred is 0 after his chav phase and spoopy tooth paint can totes bring it up. His fans like the bish0p girl and Kaya believe it, too.

No. 774920

I believe Angela enjoys these threads

No. 774926

>>774920
Tbh it never ceases to amaze me how angry Goths get for "appropriation " and "culture theft!!!".

… like you guys know there are actual cases of cultural damage in the fashion industry that hurt people but no. Let's act like mediocre white rappers and their artthot girlfriends are a huge problem. Sorry to sound all SJW but I find it super fucking banal for people to act like goth is a culture on par with like, actual cultures and heritages that face a great deal of economic hardship from people stealing their stuff.

Like for real who the fuck cares. This is so first world problems. Tbh I bet Angela and Venetery Co versions are the same as every other middle aged person with a big ego. I wouldn't be surprised if Angela wanted to speak to my manager. Lmao

No. 774936

>>774635
How is this attractive or even likeable?

No. 774946

>>774926
Nah fam, I agree with you. I think Angela is taking it too seriously, only these people's dumb tween followers think they're goth. Literally everyone else knows they aren't. I highly doubt most parents know who baby goth is or gothboi whatever their name is. Shit, even the established people in that scene seem to not know who they are, or they're most likely ignoring them. If kid's parents are scared of them being goff it's almost always connected to Columbine or the weirdo vampire murders in the 90s or of course, Satanism. Not shitty rap, smh.

No. 774947

>>774920
I usually like Angela but this video was mostly shit. the whole video she's offended by people calling themselves goth who aren't goth, complains about negative associations with goth, like people thinking the columbine shooters were goth etc. but later in the video says people with face tattoos look like gun-toting, drug endorsing, wife beating rapists. even though lots of people who have tattoos don't do those things, so she's making the same kind of negative association that she's complaining about.
she also draws the parallel between goths and metalheads (which many have done) but I've never thought that was an apt comparison for a bunch of reasons that I won't list, except my main reason which is that metal is really not as much of a subculture as goth is. there is no metal literature like there is 'goth' literature, there are no metal movies like there are goth movies, there isn't really a metal fashion etc. (unless you include band tees and having really long hair a fashion).

>>774926
I totally agree with this.

No. 774956

>>774926
Hard agree.
Some people will feel mad and self-righteous over this, then get irritated and go "iT'S jUsT hAiR", "Cultural appropriation isn't real -_-", etc in certain other cases, lmao.

No. 774963

>>774947
I believe she was quoting the company who wanted her to sponsor their fake tattoos, she should've said she was quoting it, but instead it made her look like she was judging people with tattoos. I wish she had researched further, of course the attention seeking clout chasers are going to be the first thing you find when searching for SoundCloud rappers. The actually talented ones are more low-key and popular amongst rap fans, whereas the creatures she's describing are popular with literal children and edgelords.

No. 774971

>>774963
I doubt the company was promoting face tattoos for "wife-beating rapists" - these were Angela's own words.

No. 775016

I don't know if anyone caught it, but altcows got name checked on the new 'what is goth' episode of cemetery confessions, around the 17 minute mark.

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>>774947

Except I feel that there IS a metal subculture, it's not just as aesthetically obvious as goth is. If you take the great goth books and went back in time and asked the authors if they would call it "goth" they'd probably say no. There is a clash of "gothic: the architecture & era", "goth: dark pieces of media dealing with sombre topics", "goth: the music industry" and "goth: the fashion". Great pieces of literature or comic books that are today considered "goth" don't belong to goth, that's fucking dumb. Old stories that have a darker tone or deal with heavy topics doesn't automatically mean it's owned by The Goths™.

I know people who love literature that's considered goth and they are NOT goth at all. I also know people who love goth music (actual goth music) and they don't dress goth at all. I know people fascinated with the architecture and those years of "historic" gothic and they don't dress or look the part.

Let's not pretend that goth in the general sense hasn't also taken bits and pieces from other places. It didn't just spring out of the ground complete with centuries of media and fashion in one day.

As far as metal goes, yeah "metal" fashion can be supremely boring. Band tees, leather jacket, biker boots, maybe a chain on your jeans, or the baggy cargo pants some guys wear. Long hair, piercings, tattoos. Then you can branch out into black metal that has a whole bunch of history, then viking metal that has a strong visual aesthetic, etc. You get movies whose soundtracks are either basically metal music or they are ABOUT metal music. Movies about metal bands, or metalheads in general. Books are often fantasy themed or inspired from Conan or big epic battles or tales, or bands like Wardruna etc that have a very primitive aesthetic or even in other languages. Metal bands that sing about religious or historical events, heck even a Blind Guardian album inspired by JRR Tolkien. But yeah it's not as catchy or striking visually as goth is.

every subculture gets a wave of "fakes" or people latching on for cool points. dressing "rock" with faux leather jackets and a black boot, people wearing band tees from classic rock bands bc it's fashion, vintage becoming fast fashion with no regard to the form, rockabilly being a halloween outfit, the list goes on. goth ain't special.

No. 775035

>>774143
I think she meant that she was meeting him to go on a trip with him. Something that seems a bit weird is that Adora and Simin are in LA where Victoria lives and they aren’t hanging out. Victoria has become a bit different since she’s with her new boyfriend, I wonder if she had something to do with the New Years drama that Adora mentioned.
When Adora has commented on some of her IG posts she doesn’t even give a like to the comments as opossed as before when she was totally all over her butt.

No. 775083

>>774920
>gothic literature is a part of subculture

nope Angela

No. 775096

>>775016
I love how Cemetary Confession is USA and countries closest to that sphere of similar cultural influences centric. They barely warp their heads around the concept that subculture in Europe looks so much different.

Same is true for Angela and her stories of how Tarot is so goff, gothic literature is so part of subculture.

Or how teh dark okkult is so goff.

The reality is further we move from USA and UK these elements are barely present.

And if they are mostly due quiet recent development of wide access to the Internet. There is literally the whole globe left outside North Murrica and British Isles. Heck USA and UK goths combined are not even majority of world goth population most likely.

There are even regions where gothic rock for a while had quiet a lot of Christian related themes. And I don't mean criticism of that religion. (no, I'm not Christian myself BTW)


But so far I think that's just a general issue with people from the USA that they barely have any idea how world outside their continent looks and works.

No. 775116

>>775096
When has Angela ever said that tarot was goth? I have watched all of her videos and I don't remember her even mentioning tarot cards. You seem to be reaching.

No. 775135

>>775029
I've never thought of Wardruna as being metal though, more folk, but I haven't listened to a ton of their music.

Also I agree with everything you said about goth. I mean if goth is a music based sub culture then why are figures like Morticia and Vampira considered goth icons if they existed before the music?

As for metal, yeah, Blind Guardian has a whole album based on the Silmarillion, they also have other songs based on Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, the Arthurian legend, Peter Pan and many other works of fiction/mythology. Tolkien has had quite an influence on metal- the bands Amon Amarth, Gorgoroth, Burzum and Minas Tirith all got their names from LotR. That being said, I've never heard anyone say "Tolkien is a great metal icon" or "LotR is a great work of metal literature". I mostly only listen to metal, but I don't call myself a metalhead because I stick to bands like BG and Epica that have more melody and a lot of people would call me a poser for that. I don't listen to any of the most famous metal bands like Slayer, Pantera or Metallica. And also a lot of people are metalheads and have never heard of BG or any of the other bands I mentioned.

No. 775136

>>775096
The US and UK scenes are completely different. Americans don't understand camp at all and it shows.

No. 775176

>>775096

>quiet recent development of wide access to the Internet


Do you mean world wide web based communication and exposure? During the 90s, before the web, Usenet facilitated people of all sorts of niche subcultures to make contact. The growth of the alt.gothic hierarchy reflected the development of the various subcultures within goth and arguably spurred their development. Until the late 90s we still had to snail mail each other cassette tapes and records to share music. Sharing images (albeit via binary files) was far easier than sharing music which may be the primary reason goth fashion became such a big part of the subculture during the 90s.

>>775135

>I mean if goth is a music based sub culture then why are figures like Morticia and Vampira considered goth icons if they existed before the music?


I…uhhh…errr…

[slinks off to the shadows to nurse my exploded head]

Personally, my interests in subjects which are now considered goth or which are held in common by many people in the subculture developed concurrently with the music. I was a teen during the early 80s. Taking long walks in the woods with Dead Can Dance playing on my Walkman and a Brontë novel tucked in the pocket of my vintage mohair coat was simply what I did. I wore a lot less black then. We all wore a lot less black then. Black did not become de rigueur until around 1990 when the goth subculture became more defined, perhaps in antithesis to other subcultures like rave and grunge.

No. 775181

>>775029
I have to disagree as well that there totally is a metal subculture, it's just muscial just like Goth is. Metal has a good many subgenres (the different kinds of metal from Heavy Metal, Symphonic Metal, Black Metal, Folk Metal, Death Metal, etc) and those styles certainly do have looks associated with it.

And Goth is not the same as Gothic. People confuse things like Gothic with Goth when they both are different. Gothic was an artistic, architecture, literature, and type of film while Goth is a music-based subculture. It's not called "Goth Literature", it's called "Gothic Literature" for example.

And sure, generic Metal fashion can be boring when you just look at the Heavy Metal & Death Metal but then you get to Symphonic Metal, Folk Metal, and Black Metal and the looks become a bit more stylistic as these people tend to dress like people from a fantasy or certain time period era.

>>775096
Er are you sure that's what she said? I've heard Angela talking about the Occult but I don't remember her saying that it was "Goth", at the most some "goths" were just into that stuff.

And Goth was still the same even in these foreign countries. Take Japan for example, it's been believed that Visual Kei was the "goth" thing of Japan but that just wasn't true and that Japan actually had a real though very small Goth subculture that pretty much played the same kind of music that the UK and US did, the bands just didn't get popular at the time as the internet as the internet wasn't where it is today back then.

And this extends to even the other foreign countries like Sweden, Norway, & Poland to name a few. You can search on YouTube and you'll find quite a bit of actual Goth bands from those countries that released music in the 80s and 90s but just like Japan, the music unfortunately just didn't get discovered in time and a lot of the bands just fell by the wayside, it's actually quite sad because a lot of them sounded pretty good, just as good as the contemporaries from the UK and USA.

>>775135
>Why are figures like Morticia and Vampira considered Goth Icons if they existed before the music?

Easy. Because people didn't know what the heck they were talking about. They were never Goth icons, they were "GOTHIC" icons. Gothic has existed long before the Goth subculture became a thing (from the music) and proper female icons of Goth would be people like Siouxsie Sioux, Patricia Morrison, Monica Richards, & Dinah Cancer to name a few.

>>775176
Which is so true because you see pictures of members from Goth bands like Theatre of Hate, Bauhaus, The Cure, & a few otherss who have escaped my mind and they weren't wearing all black ensembles all the time lol.

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>>775181
It's nice to see someone explain how goth and gothic aren't the same. I always thought I sounded like a moron when describing myself as goth but not gothic, but they really aren't the same. Many of our aesthetics comes from gothic stuff, so there is that. Thanks for the post anon, you toned down the weird competitive feeling in the thread. I'm almost certain some anon was about to pop off about their musical knowledge.

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The goth subculture that arose from the underground and experimental music scene is informed by the same "darkly inclined" spirit and psyche as those things from previous generations and eras and other media and disciplines that are regarded as iconic in contemporary goth subculture.

Does anyone remember Goth Talk on SNL? They perfectly captured the nouveau goth stereotype of the late 90s. Would it be fair to say that generation produced the first alt cows?

I thought it was some of the funniest shit ever.

Hush! Can you hear the raven?

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>>775181

>I have to disagree as well that there totally is a metal subculture, it's just muscial just like Goth is. Metal has a good many subgenres (the different kinds of metal from Heavy Metal, Symphonic Metal, Black Metal, Folk Metal, Death Metal, etc) and those styles certainly do have looks associated with it.


I could be wrong because I don't know the exact definition of "subculture" but I don't think just because something has a look associated with it doesn't automatically make it a subculture. for example country music definitely has a look associated with it but I don't think it's considered a subculture.

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>>775213
>They perfectly captured the nouveau goth stereotype of the late 90s. Would it be fair to say that generation produced the first alt cows?

Yes. Mainly because that's when people started obsessing over a look, of course many of these people weren't actually goth or were very young. Didn't get any better with the 2000s Hot Topic mallgoths but I prefer them to the Instagoths. (Most likely related to nostalgia)

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>>775116
She did mention Tarot at least once. In her early videos. Probably also on at least one more occasion.

>The US and UK scenes are completely different.


Ye, yet they are somewhat closer than UK and "continental" scenes are. I mean in non - musical sense that were "attached" to the scene from earlier culture like literature references etc. Lack of Halloween in many countries etc.

>>>775176


>Do you mean world wide web based communication and exposure?


I mean that before like early - mid 00's what was circulating among international gothic community was mostly music, certain cliches present in USA or other in UK that people from there were associating as "obvious part of gothic scene" were not necessary part of scene in many other countries. Sometimes they were subtle differences, sometimes major.

>>775176
>Insert whatever dark/horror element from USA popcultur is goff

Americans suffer from this mindset since quiet few decades. I don't recall people trying to tie local horror movies heroes to their goth scenes in my and neighbor mainland Euro countries. But I do certainly remember tying music to it.

>>775181


>Er are you sure that's what she said? I've heard Angela talking about the Occult but I don't remember her saying that it was "Goth", at the most some "goths" were just into that stuff.


I didn't mean she said it.

>And Goth was still the same even in these foreign countries. Take Japan for example, it's been believed that Visual Kei was the "goth" thing of Japan but that just wasn't true and that Japan actually had a real though very small Goth subculture that pretty much played the same kind of music that the UK and US did, the bands just didn't get popular at the time as the internet as the internet wasn't where it is today back then.


Playing foreign music does not equal tying same non-musical elements as UK people or USA people do. And there were also local bands (BTW almost totally unknown to USA and UK people) that introduced to music many elements not present in other scenes.

>And this extends to even the other foreign countries like Sweden, Norway, & Poland to name a few.


Music - yes. Themes - somewhat. Clothing - barely. Cultural references - tiny shared amount. Political context - totally different.

Polish (and Yugoslavian and USSR and satelites) goth music of 80s was political (anti communist) as fuck. Also they were persecuted by communist regimes and police.
Macedonia (part of Yugoslavia back then) had bands notorious for christian mysticism and references.
Yugoslavian and Ukrainian bands also incorporated a lot of Slavic folk music and 19th century romanticism era poetry with often nationalistic undertones from times of fights for independence of these nations from Russia, Turks, Austria-Hungary Empire and etc. In some areas it also blended with (the '80s version of) industrial so hard in these areas there were barely any separation between two. Also differences in fashion and look.

And there are scenes in many parts of Asia, Africa that i have zero knowledge about and I don't dare to pretend I have such knowledge or except them to worship poetry of Poe or horror literature of 18-19 century England. If you get what I mean.

>You can search on YouTube and you'll find quite a bit of actual Goth bands from those countries that released music in the 80s and 90s but just like Japan, the music unfortunately just didn't get discovered in time and a lot of the bands just fell by the wayside, it's actually quite sad because a lot of them sounded pretty good, just as good as the contemporaries from the UK and USA.

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>You can search on YouTube and you'll find quite a bit of actual Goth bands from those countries that released music in the 80s and 90s but just like Japan, the music unfortunately just didn't get discovered in time and a lot of the bands just fell by the wayside, it's actually quite sad because a lot of them sounded pretty good, just as good as the contemporaries from the UK and USA.
>>775243

Yes. Japan had/has great goth bands.

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>>775181
Nice backtrack. If you're gonna drag the girl try it without making things up we can just check. If you have to lie you just come off bitter.

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>>775181
>Which is so true because you see pictures of members from Goth bands like Theatre of Hate, Bauhaus, The Cure, & a few otherss who have escaped my mind and they weren't wearing all black ensembles all the time lol.

Theye were not "few". Theye were close to majority (if not majority) of 80's European (mainland) bands. All black trend started to be notorious like around mid 90s and level of "international monochromaticism" it has today was achived just like around 8-7 years ago. Brass and bronze jewellery also almost disappeared in favor of silver, steel and pewter.

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>Hot Topic and the commercialization of goth fashion and the death of DIY culture

Street fashion from Punk to New Wave to Goth of the 80s and 90s had the benefit of vastly available amazing secondhand clothing. If vintage shopping were what it used to be, we'd see a lot more creativity. IBF has incorporated nice finds into her wardrobe and she probably would more if the pieces were out there. Revamping and altering is the gateway to full on sewing.

MFW the earliest Lip Service lines are now officially vintage.

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>>775215

I'm the OP that mentioned metal and Wardruna and subculture of metal etc. I'm actually really into this specific topic of goth vs. gothic, subculture and how everything intertwines because it's not another bickering argument of "is x goth".

I think in a sense a subculture means like "the qualities that become commonly enjoyed by the people who enjoy X thing or the adopted behaviours of said group". As >&g