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This thread concerns creators, artists, voice actors and others who work or are connected to the modern Western American animation and comics industry, filled with cows, hacks, groomers, woketards and self inserters who all know each other and/or have dated.
previous thread:
>>1927468God's gang gets released
>>1927863Discussion of failed pilots
>>1928368>>1928586 >>1929853
LS mark is morbidly obese now
>>1930617The son of Flapjack's creator trooned out
>>1931151Toonhive made a tweet about ang
>>1931427Vivzie claims HH pilot is no longer canon
>>1931600Wish's goat canonically founded zootopia
>>1932550Disney might have used AI for one of its promotional pictures
>>1932903Oye primos gets delayed
>>1936243Promising cartoon with the ugliest style possible gets dumped in Netflix
>>1939450Randy stair tier autist is making his own hazbin hotel rip off
>>1947576Tranny creator of Amazing Digital circus makes creepy grooming comment
>>1948554Aang is confirmed not dead. Tranny who cancelled her turns out to be equally cringe
>>1951232Hazbin Hotel gets leaked
>>1952985Youtuber who makes beatbox videos pays 50k for a music video where Charlie from Hazbin Hotel rapes him
>>1954216Since this is the most active thread on the site for animated content, casual non-milk discussions about comics and other animated topics are also permitted.
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>>1955440Leaked scene from episode 4, spoilered because it's slightly nsfw, but the scene showing his rape is very brief
Vivzie defended herself by saying it is out of context and SA survivors are able to cope in any way yada yada yada when it's obvious she made this scene because she gets off to it, not that is somekind of social Justice to rape
victims No. 1955445
God's gang gets released
>>1927863Discussion of failed pilots
>>1928368>>1928586 >>1929853
LS mark is morbidly obese now
>>1930617The son of Flapjack's creator trooned out
>>1931151Toonhive made a tweet about ang
>>1931427Vivzie claims HH pilot is no longer canon
>>1931600Wish's goat canonically founded zootopia
>>1932550Disney might have used AI for one of its promotional pictures
>>1932903Oye primos gets delayed
>>1936243Promising cartoon with the ugliest style possible gets dumped in Netflix
>>1939450Randy stair tier autist is making his own hazbin hotel rip off
>>1947576Tranny creator of Amazing Digital circus makes creepy grooming comment
>>1948554Aang is confirmed not dead. Tranny who cancelled her turns out to be equally cringe
>>1951232Hazbin Hotel gets leaked
>>1952985Youtuber who makes beatbox videos pays 50k for a music video where Charlie from Hazbin Hotel rapes him
>>1954216 No. 1955446
>>1955444I read someone depicted a rape scene in a cartoon, so I wonder what it is.
I click the video and I see some badly drawn, stylized furry creatures who are… dancing or something?
I laugh at the typical idiocy of internet people.
No. 1955450
>>1955446>>1955444Didn't you see the screen behind them dancing showing him in bondage and those couple of frames where he gets slapped while he's restrained? It's definitely an implied rape scene. Personally I don't think it's too bad since cartoons have done worse, but it's just so embarassing because it's in a silly cartoon made by sheltered people who don't know what they're talking about and they also obviously get off to it. You can't expect people to take this "lore" about SA seriously when the rest of the cartoon is some extremely juvenile comedy show with stupid dick jokes AND the scene is presented in a "sexy" (in furry terms) way.
I'm more mad about her making fucking Lucifer a literal ugly manlet in a stupid top hat. Like seriously, he's half the height of Charlie in the leaks. Viv has such shit ideas I swear.
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>>1955445thank you, much appreciated nonna.
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LS hinted that his forever in development family guy/FOP/tom and jerry rip-off pilot might finally drop soon. At this point i think he knows it's going to be shit and it's delaying the inevitable.
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more verbalase details.
No. 1955500
>>1955444It's ok when japanese mangaka do it but the moment an american emo cringelord does it in her own
adult cartoon then she deserves the vitriol from oversensitive gendies and it'll be totes glorious when she gets cancelled uwuuuu
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>>1955441>>1955417>>1955502Is no one going to mention that a lot of the scenes in that Verbalase
X Charlie music video were blatantly traced? Man what a complete rip off.
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>>1955543This is the person in question
No. 1955552
>>1955437Don't be so self-centered.
>>1955441>Like 50K makes sense. I don't know what anyone is complaining about. If you don't know anything about animation, which is most people, 50k sounds insane for 3 minutes of 2D animation. It's just ignorance of the field.
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>>1955533I'm glad she's not bending over these crybullies. I bet most of the people rallying against her for this scene are the usual gendie Hazbin Hotel haters that try to find every excuse in the world to shit on it, despite the fact that… it's an adult cartoon. You can bet Family Guy, Rick and Morty and their million clones have shown worse.
Yeah it's kinda cringe that she's blowing up on twitter like this but I appreciate that she doesn't seem to be apologizing over nothing like many people in the industry do. I just hope she keeps it up and that she sets a positive example so more female creators aren't afraid to stand their ground and won't allow to be silenced by these mobs.
I find it ridiculous that a 8 seconds clip about a ridiculous, cringy gay furry spider singing about his pimp's abuse is being painted as this absolutely shameless, hurtful media that's bound to make poor SA survivors kys. These gendies really are grasping at straws to cancel a woman they don't like because… she's cringe and has the privilege to make her own cringe cartoons.
Really makes you wonder how different they'd all act if Vivziepop were a tif or a tim, lol. They'd probably love her sparkledog vomit and call it the epitome of queer cartoons.
But nope. She's no soft queer like Noelle Stevenson or Rebecca Sugar. Just an edgy white girl making cringe compilations, so they can't wait to put her at the stake.
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Why must the industry be like this…
No. 1955651
>>1955444Supposedly there’s more of this content in the episode, it’s part of Angel’s lore dump
>>1955502I don’t get how Saberspark got so fucking popular, his content isn’t very funny or interesting. I guess it makes sense that he initially rose to fame in the Brony community.
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why are western comics failing this badly?
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>>1955444kek, like this isn't supposed to be a deviantart sexy fetish scene. How dare they think this is anything but serious and heavy!
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>>1955490>I grew up watching gore and rape videos lol cringe
No. 1955676
>>1955655She could have stopped acting like a cringy 2000s teenager a couple of years ago, for one kek. And maybe she could have been less of a pick me faghag (male)tranny chaser and instead focused on her project professionally, accepting
valid criticism on her juvenile writing, DeviantArt-tier designs and tastes. The popularity that comes with pandering to twitterfags is nice but she forgot that they hate women (like she does) and fujos and can't wait to screech about some cartoons being "
problematic" for depicting a silly-looking cartoon spider in a horny way and muh fetishization.
Even now her behaviour is embarassing, she should just shut up and keep going with her project that's already fucking done, but she's too sensitive and cares too much about some gendie opinion.
No. 1955680
>>1955608I'm with you on this one anon. Vivzie can be absolutely annoying but I'm gonna give her some credit here and give her a mild applause for not letting these people control what she wants to do with her own creation. Part of media is sometimes seeings things that can be unpleasant in the real world. As far as rape goes, who knows if Viv actually does get off on a rape fetish but people are really getting up and arms over it happening to a fucking fictional character that and more importantly, terrible writing or not, it's clearly meant to be important to the character's past that made him who he is that will surely unravel as the show goes on. I'm getting tired of these people whining about things that are unpleasant in adult animation. If you don't want to see such things, stop watching. It's so annoying how these SA survivors take it so personally and act like if they see rape depicted in a show, it means that the creator is willfully trying to traumatize or make fun of them when that's obviously not the case. Just take the
trigger warning and go watch something else and stop. It's not always about you and your trauma, that's your own situation to manage with, not anyone else's outside of your family, friends, and shrink.
>Really makes you wonder how different they'd all act if Vivziepop were a tif or a tim, lolOh you know for a fact that they'd be kissing her ass. It's all the more reason why I'm glad she's sticking to her conviction and hopefully she keeps at it.
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>>1955444If you close your eyes, it sounds like Sonic the Hedgehog singing about being molested.
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>>1955700another hazbin leak just dropped
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>>1955680I’m actually shocked she hasn’t “come out” as non binary, that’s usually a pretty quick and easy way to get gendies off your back
>>1955690They still do this and they’re still ugly
>>1955700I hope some autistic sonic fan makes an AMV
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Any milk on my2k on instagram or jam_etc_art in twitter? She seems to complain a lot kek(spoonfeeding)
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>>1955532Saged for non milk but do other Nonnies remember that time Viv traced an animation then put it into her animation reel trying to pass it as her own?
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>>1956011Nothing afaik, but she defended that amphibia storyboard who was accused of being a pedophile.
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>>1956025Forgive me if this has shown up already (and also that it’s ass quality lol it told me to resize it) but he also posted this, which alone is pretty whatever,I’m not some huge prude and it’s simply a suggestive drawing of an adult character.
BUT, with everything else you mentioned, plus it being drawn by the 29 YEAR OLD CREATOR OF THE SHOW THEMSELVES (not just Rando McCoomer), it just adds fuel to it, especially since his show unlike Viv’s, is more “family friendly”. Like Viv’s main fanbase probably is kids too, but that’s obviously not what her stuff is aimed towards, but Goose? Hard to tell. And Viv’s work themselves contain those bawdier elements, Digital Circus’s pilot is basically asexual to anyone who isn’t a disgusting coomer like Goose.
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Well that was certainly a choice
No. 1956158
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>>1956149Kek, good for her. I think she’s weird for the art (not I think she’s a pedo for a drawing, it’s just very odd behavior) but on the other hand, like… most of it is of Beavis and Butthead who are canonically sex crazed and literally had THIS happen in canon. So it’s a weird thing to moralsperg about… especially since she was keeping it private.
This is more tangentially related, but anyone feel in the middle about anti/proship garbage?
As someone who used to be an anti when I was a teen, I realize now both how shitty, hypocritical, and immature my thinking was. Cartoon children are not real children and acting as if they are is fucking retarded, ESPECIALLY in adult cartoon fanbases like South Park and Beavis and Butthead. But idk, I still feel kind of icked by certain things, I would still probably feel really uncomfortable being close friends with someone super into bizarro shit.
Idk, a few months ago I listened to some Venture Bros audio commentaries from the first season and not only one, but two of the commentaries had extended moments where Doc and Jackson were talking about fucking their characters, including the Venture Boys (whose ages are a fucking whole can of worms, they believed they were 16 but they had been cloned so many times they were actually chronologically 19) and Triana Orpheus (who is just a normal teenage girl), and at some point Jackson brought up Triana being underaged and Doc said some stuff about European standards. Ugh. The show is fucked up and I had accepted that, but something about hearing that kind of killed my love for the show, as sensitive as that sounds. And I don’t think it was the subject matter as it was how coomery it seemed. Like to compare, Matt and Trey on the commentary of the episode of South Park where George Lucas and Steven Spielberg rape Indiana Jones say something about how they at some point may rape the boys, it was fucked but also obviously a comment about the episode, not that they were thinking about having sex with children. Idk. I hate this twitter world, it takes away actual nuance.
No. 1956172
>>1956169forreal. Any women who do call out scrotes for drawing lolishit and referencing real children in their porn "art" get harassed and sent death threats and gore by pmab's who are desperate for terminally online troons' approval. We can't win.
>>1956171Wouldn't be surprised if the freaks harassing 18-20 y/os for shit they drew as teens groomed those teens themselves.
No. 1956186
>>1956171every single artist cancelled by antis has been a woman
>aang>vivzie>the amphibia storyboarder>the hazbin storyboardmeanwhile no one has called out goosepedo on his weird head drilling and hypnosis or whatever other fetishes
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>>1956284He also just usually has nothing new or interesting to say, at least when it’s mainstream topics. I remember years ago he also talked about starting a series, Bargain Binge, only to never do it again lmaooo. Maybe he realized how redundant that would be, since a large chunk of his content was already reviewing bad, weird, lesser-known animated movies.
No. 1956324
>>1956158fuck thank god i dont watch/listen to behind the scenes. i considered vb to be better portraying teens/minors and sexuality compared to other shows like, rick and morty or south park? like teen hank banged a 32 year old but thats tame compared to what the other two shows have shown before.
>>1956114ive noticed that a lot of critics of vivzie and her work also follow tadc as if the latter doesnt share many issues with the former. tadc feels so much more perverse since its fetish content is hidden and only obvious for those who know, while the creator brags about it and is aware of his young audience, basically grooming them. viv may be annoying and a faghag, but goosetranny is genuinely vile.
No. 1956332
>>1956324> venture bros I agree and disagree. Agree in that I think the Hank and Nikki thing was treated with enough grace, they even portrayed it as traumatizing to Hank to some extent (he gets himself memory wiped in end, though leaves himself message to let himself know he DID get laid, he will just be choosing to forger the circumstances around it).
On the other hand, even when I was a fan I never liked Sgt. Hatred all that much. Yes I know the entire lore of the character, the military stuff making him the way he was.. but I felt he still was one of the clumsier written characters in the show with how they handled his “redemption”. And i do god's sake, it’s a show with throughly fucked up people already who commit murder often but c’mon, that’s a false equivalence and you know it, pedophilia trumps murder as a taboo in fiction, sorry.
And there was also the Dean Leia episode kek but both creators hate that one, and the joke was on the people sexualizing him. At least everyone involved is teens, albeit very retarded. I didn’t bring up Cpt. Sunshine cause it was mostly just a fucked up joke, and both creators confirmed he’s actually not a child molester, just a huge dumbass with no social awareness.
> goosetranny vs vivzie100%. Hazbin/Helluva and Viv are cringe, but Goose and TADC are just… gross.
No. 1956363
>>1956360I think one of the reasons why that's happening is because there are always new manga coming out with new heroes, new stories, etc. Whereas with western comics, they've been relying on the same heroes for over 50 years. Plus A) no one's doing anything interesting with them, and B) the most interesting stuff has already been done.
Pretty sure Deadpool is the most recent superhero that really took off, and he debuted in the 1991.
>>1955656Jesus…
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This tard is back and doubling down lmfao.
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KEK he RT this. I guess it hurts to be the one being dogpilled on twitter. He should be drawing instead of doing all this, his art is shit.
No. 1956382
>>1956372He added a bunch more shit to his callout Dropbox that just make him look worse, including a bunch of shit from an old roommate who asked him to stop pissing on the toilet seat and a bunch of screenshots of said roommate offering to help Jane clean his moldy bedroom lol
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/a4ermmhgxfshr3fjt8vkt/h?rlkey=pq23aqkyt9iuupiuycxz0guhl&dl=0He’s insane
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>>1956382kek holy shit what an insane troon. Ang aint no saint but by spiraling and going insane just because he got called racist he's making her look so much better in comparison. Makes me laugh his callout on his pedoang twitter has like 2 rts kek he must be going insane knowing he burned every bridge possible by being a disgusting racist retard. I also dont get it, he seemed fine with loli/shota before, so he definetly didnt call out ang because ''think of muh children''. God please i hope either ang or karli or anyone involves comes with evidence this troon is a lolifaggot too i want to see all these retards burn.
No. 1956390
>>1956363Mainstream Western comics are always stuck in a permanent status quo. For example, Spiderman has been in his 20s for 65 years and cannot grow old. His arc can never end, his villains can never be truly defeated, and he can never settle down. This applies to every popular superhero. That's why the best superhero stories are elseworlds and set in finite continuity, where they have a beginning, middle, and end.
But in most cases, there's barely any development with these characters - they just fight villains for the rest of eternity without any fundamental change in their fictional universe because even if they defeat a villain, they always come back.
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>>1956322As someone that had an entire shelf of really weird and obscure movies from the bargain bin as a kid (my dad was the "just put the kid in front of the tv so I don't have to play with her" type and would just grab whatever) that I've never seen anyone talk about I was actually really excited when he started this series, so I was disappointed when he immediately dropped it and went with the trash direction he's taken his channel now.
Still waiting for a decent channel to review the Magic Riddle No. 1956434
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>>1956390I have to give Marvel some credit: they've been trying their damnedest to replace Peter Parker with Miles Morales, but it's not working. You can't just replace a character as popular as Spider-Man with someone else and expect everyone to go along with it.
(Plus, IMO, the most interesting thing they've done with Miles Morales is picrel.)
No. 1956437
>>1956427>hellbent on preventing you on living a normal, healthy life…how can he say these things and not even think about how maybe, just maybe, that also applies to him too? He’s posting nonstop about a mentally ill woman who has already been blacklisted and left the fucking internet, not moving the fuck on. I swear everything he’s said has basically just been an indirect admission, I really wouldn’t be suprised if he was a lolishit or worse, like
>>1956379 said.
No. 1956438
>>1956390>>1956363There's a lot of factors as well
>Over reliance of crossover events that break up the story>Quality of writing and art can shift dramatically as different authors and artists will work on the series during its run>EXTENSIVE editorial meddling >Shitty Distribution that fucks over everyone>People don't know where to start with comics so they don't botherthe biggest thing is that out of touch media executives who don't wanna rock the boat and change something too much, for a significant change to the status quo to happen in Western Comics a series has to break record sales otherwise it always get retconned
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>>1956427kek someone replied to this, calling out his bullshit. I think some of it comes off as corny (you KILLED HER! Ang is DEAD!!) but kek good to see pushback. it’s funny he’d think he’d find more traction on tumblr but the post isn’t don’t hot lmfao.
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>>1956427The more I read from him, the more I genuinely hate this fucking retard.
>in search of new parental figuresYou are a GROWN MAN. I don’t care what trauma you had, that is absolutely bonkers behavior to do that and then word it like THIS.
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do you agree?(newfaggotry)
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>>1956456I actually read further, I think he met Karli online when he was 16 (that’s when he posted that Tommy Pickles thing that he said got them acquainted) so maybe not adult like I thought, also she’s much older IIRC, like her college stuff ended I think in 2017?
Still…very weird to say this now, like that. It comes across entitled.
That element of this loser’s age actually does raise an interesting element in the story though, and does make me reconsider some of Karli’s actions. But I still think overall “Jane” or whatever has come across the worst out of anyone in this.
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>>1956452his whole 'i'm a super vulnerable neurodivergent
victim' shtick fails when you realize this is how he spoke not long before this went down. this is just a maladjusted ugly creep whose relation to other maladjusted creeps didn't go like he wanted it to.
vondra seems genuinely concerning but most of his 'evidence' about it all is just screens of him talking about stuff in vague terms..? it reads like bitterness
>>1956158i was thinking about this just yesterday. most people are both 'proship' and 'puritans' according to their retarded split. the average fandom normie can go 'this underage character is cute ecksdee.. don't attack me!' and still have an issue with guys like shadman or kink being constantly shoved in people's faces. liking certain stuff can be a red flag but also innocuous, it's situational.
anti arguments' exist to become ammo for unrelated drama and to fire/cancel women who are already on thin ice in the industry, that's it
No. 1956475
>>1956458According to Jane they were casual internet acquaintances until 2021 when they got closer and Karli started trying to help him get to LA when he was got into LCAD, so he would have been an adult by then.
Karli obviously failed to establish boundaries until it was too late and that’s on her but I don’t think she was preying on him or anything, if she’d have shown even one sign of that he would have probably run with it and included it in his doc, lol.
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>>1955551Apparently this was on his nsfw too, kek. This Digital Circus thing is rotten to its fucking core.
No. 1956529
>>1956518Kek yeah, it’s not new either considering the Rugrats storyboard jam comic and John K. I’m a life long animationfag and the industry turns my stomach to the point where I don’t even know if I would want to work in it despite having genuine interest and passion for cartoons. So much sickness seems so normalized and/or swept under the rug.
God we need a nonna studio, making tranny free cartoons with actual female
characters for non-degenerates lol.
No. 1956540
>>1956538Same, he’s a pretty good character in the movies! And honestly, the better modern Spiderman between him and Tom Holland’s MCU version. I
hated that take on the character, made him a bumbling fifth-grader. Like, somehow he felt more retarded than a normal teenager (who are already, as we know, retarded). Like in his last movie he’s straight up written like a Venture brother with all the antics he pulls.
No. 1956560
>>1956547Kek, true. Including myself to be posting here, lol. I’m just tired of the
type of depravity in these cartoons (kids cartoons mainly). But, you can also ask the chicken or egg question with the whole thing too, like you may need a few screws loose and be a form of autist to commit yourself to animation as a career like that, lol.
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>>1956540Tom Holland is insufferable, both his portrayal of Peter in the movies and in real life. It's like he's trying too hard to be cute/innocent/silly but ends up acting retarded. "He's just a silly little guy!" He's a fucking 27-year-old grown ass man. I prefer Miles because despite being a cartoon he still has more depth and development in two animated films than Holland's Peter has in the entire MCU. Plus he isn't a 3DPD.
No. 1956626
>>1956534He had all of Marvel Ultimate? He replaced Peter super early on and people liked him which is why when they merged ultimate and 616 universes miles stayed. Also he was among the characters being playtested in the comics before being brought into the movies like Riri and Kamala Khan so they clearly intended for him to be brought into the movie universe, it wasn't a Sony exclusive thing. plus Marvel Ultimate was designed for new readers to come in intimidated by the long storylines and lore so technically any new fans were directed to accept Miles as spider man, not Peter. Of all of them I'm pretty sure he had the most comic issues and appearances cause like I said, he was the ultimate universe spider man pretty early on in the series replacing Peter and is now staying permanently.
Though on that topic, while I liked Kamala and Miles, it's clear Marvel only created these minority characters to take up other mantels too scared to be new heroes, playtested them in comics first because they knew their own audience would need time to adjust in the old decade of the 2010s to black and brown characters, and some were thrown basically no care and just were corpo checkboxes (RiRi apparently but never read iron man either way to say). It was so blatant what they were doing they basically advertised these characters as inclusive future movie characters.
No. 1956638
>>1956615No Way Home was such a shitty movie tbh idk how so many people like it like I’m not even offended I’m just confused lol. It’s the only Holland one I watched and I was like yeah no I’ll stick to the Raimi’s and the animated Spideys, thanks. I still haven’t seen TAS 1 or 2, the 2nd one sounds kind of ironically funny at points but it’s also decently long (2 hr 22 min) so idk kek.
Superhero media honestly works best in animation anyway unless you’re really skilled at what you’re doing like Raimi was and can make the SFX look good. MCU should’ve been animated, it mostly is anyway lol, but of course it never would have been made if it was. Or it would be kiddie versions.
No. 1956653
>>1956434Samefag. For the record, I don't think Miles is a bad character, and I enjoyed the Spider-Verse movies and Spider-Man: Miles Morales.
I'm just saying that Peter Parker has been Spider-Man for over 60 years, and with all the movies and video games, etc., he's more popular now than ever. Yet, a number of recent stories,
including Spider-Man 2 and Into The Spider-Verse feature Miles replacing Peter as the new Spider-Man. As good as the movies and video games are, people still associate the name "Spider-Man" with Peter Parker, and that's going to be hard to change.
IMO, Miles needs a new look and a new name, and he'll be set. If Spider-Gwen and Silk can have their own identities, why not Miles? Also, why not give him his own rogues' gallery as well?
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Anyone watching the new TDI? it's definetly better than pakithew island, but it's honestly not great either.
At this point i am convinced the gross out 'humor' is some writer's fetish. I understood it on the first season because gross weird stuff like jack ass was at it's peak back then, but grossout humor feels so outdated and weird nowadays. Also, the characters are okay, they didnt go all in with boring one note gimmick characters this time, but they also arent amazing and super original either. And the only two ships are between the gary stu and mary stu, and the fat fart guy and the cool survivalist girl(i hate this one). Very, very meh overall.
>>1956678I dont understand how anyone can watch this, its so childish, and i am speaking as a womanchild who still watches kids cartoons. Also, however is leaking this is getting perma fired and blacklisted.
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>>1956694I'm pretty sure it's multiple people leaking, they also switch to different telegram channels whenever they get found out.
Also here's the fourth one
https://filemoon.sx/d/qdcerr3xei9z/Hazbin_Hotel_S01E04_Masquerade.mp4Those dumbasses bitching about that 8 second clip are probably going to burst a blood vessel when they see this one
No. 1956714
>>1956694I'm too nervous to watch it due to that Total Drama Rama clip(you'd probably know the one), it pretty much ruined anything total drama related for me. The only thing I've seen of it was that Saberspark video, and I don't plan on watching any of it.
>>1956678Viv's hell has to be one of the most boring and laziest interpretations of it ever. Why can't she just make her own damn world and take some writing lessons?
No. 1956724
>>1956653>Is it more about the hounding from screeching youngsters on socials?Yes. He got doxxed by trolls, so did Viv, but he’s evaded the continued, long term obsessive hate that she’s been getting for years. There’s plenty of
valid critique that she deserves but the level of fixation is unhinged
No. 1956729
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>>1956724Ah okay, yeah agreed.
Also kek I saw picrel earlier today at a flea market.
No. 1956743
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This is more of a Latin-American thing but funny nonetheless. A few days ago after the premier of The Boy and the Heron a supposed Illustrator, more a designer since it was proved later that even her artist portfolio was fake and full of art stolen from deviantart and other places, claimed to be the only Colombian that had the chance to work in the movie directly “hand by hand” with the studio Ghibli team, after the Colombian press started to make interviews and asking questions about the work process she said that was in charge of making around 25-50k frames alone in traditional, she said that since she was working from Colombia and only communicate with the team by videocalls the packed all the frames via DHL and sent all the pages to Japan to be scanned and digitalized.
Days pass, she changes some lies for other, later claimed that she alone was in charge of the production of 20 full minutes of animation, give some speeches on national universities where the students obviously could tell the lies but prefer to remain in silence and watch how everything burns lol.
People start to make more questions since is pretty obvious that she doesn’t show to have any idea of how the animation process work or even remotely how it is to work in a studio, doesn’t know Japanese even she told the press that has a master from Todai. Everything fell down today after many attempts of rectifications on her side, saying that the press and media exaggerated her words and finally give a public a apology telling the truth that everything was obviously fake.
Funniest bits of all this clusterfuck:
>Said that Miyazaki was impressed by her work and even calls her “La colombiana” (The Colombian girl) in videocalls as an affectionate nickname.
>Multiple news had to backtrack the exclusives since no one thought that the whole story sounded like delusional nonsense.
>The news already got to Japan. People are amazed by her courage to pull something like that.
No. 1956755
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>>1956752The original link is down (ofc) but there are some images that were saved when people started to lurk a little bit, here are some of the things that she stole from Deviantart and some videogame called Deemo. Sorry for the quality, they are mostly screenshots. Don't know if she has the tism but definitely something is wrong with her mental health.
No. 1956757
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>>1956653They would have to change the comics first but they could easily do something. Maybe a meta-narrative of Miles being upset that now that their universes are merged, people think of Peter as default Spidey again and use that as a springboard to switch things up. Would be less awkward than having "Miles Morales Spider-Man" as their only available title for any of his series.
Though as shit as it is, considering how much comic nerds railed against him, I think his character would have been forgotten and probably never given a role in the movies or games if he hadn't been a character that replaced Peter in an already iconic role and if they hadn't stood their ground for the Ultimate universe keeping him there. Comic fans cry that these people should be given their own roles but when they are they're totally ignored. Or if a white person takes up the mantle later they end up being the more popular one disproving the idea that "replacements" are somehow inherently less liked.
>>1956743This is so funny, I hope these newspapers paid her a lot for their "exclusives"
No. 1956766
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>>1956757>>1956653>>1956434Surprisingly the BABIES spinoff on Disney Jr. is actually the thing that has taken the step to rename both Miles
and Spider-Gwen to Spin and Ghost Spider, respectively. Ghost Spider is a cool name, I think Spin is perfectly fine for this type of show but I think in any other context it’s fucking lame.
Maybe they’re trying to avoid comparison to how Batman deals with Batfamily, even though that shit made way more sense and actually let the characters develop over time, letting them actually become more distinct instead of boxing them in forever as just another version of Spiderman.
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>>1956699ngl, the pimp's coat turning into moth wings was a pretty clever design choice, but the abuse scene felt tonally out of place compared to the rest of the show. and then rightwards having the incredibly sexualized montage sequences was actually kinda hilarious, I guess viv inserted her fujoism in the end after all.
No. 1956784
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I watched hazbin for the first time because the twitter spergs promised me hardcore furry yaoi rape, but instead i was met with the most repulsive character design i have ever seen. I am okay with all of the other sparkle dogs but this thing is specially off-putting, like an oc a 12yo would make.
No. 1956788
>>1956784Because he
was originally made by a 12 year old, one of Viv's relatives came up with him I'm pretty certain
No. 1956791
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>>1956790Yep, he was. Viv gave him the old fuck up treatment around the same time she started over designing Angel Dust and he got more fucked up when they reworked him for the offical show
No. 1956793
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Sorry to samefag but oh god
No. 1956807
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>>1956771>>1956769His old account is ugovaria.
His porn is accessible in a zip file for download on the soyjak wiki page for The Amazing Digital Circus. There’s two ways to download it, one in a catbox.moe format you can find in the citations just in case the first one fucks up. I don’t know if it’s great to link a direct download link so I chose to leave one out, sorry.
No. 1956853
honestly, considering everything, HH really isn't that bad. It's not great, I don't love it, and musical numbers are one of my least favourite aspects about western animation, but I can't hate it or Viv for making it. The animation is even pretty decent, especially compared to other puppet-animated shows' (it kinda reminds me of svtfoe's) first seasons. The writing isn't the worst thing ever (yet, there's still time kek), and I think it's improving as the episodes go on (though it's still pretty fanfic-tier, obviously) and things get introduced/fleshed out. Even like a couple characters. I am kinda ignoring the pilot though so I'm not bothered so much by any discrepancies between it and the show, or the 'soft restart' that's in the first episode.
I was hoping for a trashfire from what people have been saying about it here, but eh, it's okay.
No. 1956869
>>1956858Definitely, and HH's premise also works better for Viv's interests more than HB's– HB should have stayed more episodic and based on the characters doing their jobs, whereas a redemption hotel is much better suited to her angsty sadboy fixation, as they're all Charlie's projects to fix and it makes more sense to focus on that about them than how Blitzo and Fiz have been handled recently.
>>1956859Yeah it's definitely rushed or too condensed, especially when it comes to the b plot of the angel v demon conflict and its cast of characters. The hotel characters and their sections feel a bit better paced in comparison, but yeah, wonder if it would have been better if they'd had more episodes to work with (or were better at trimming their original pitched story/scripts)
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>>1956699You know if Viv wasn't such a faghag woman-hater I would be impressed by her managing to get a normie western studio to animate and publish her fujo pairing with a big moth demon and a spider demon twink. I mean they actually animated Angel's ass and him getting humped/fucked by other characters.
>>1956836Right?? He sounds almost normal in the poison song (still struggling but overall fine) but in the duet he has this high pitched screamed nasal voice. However I never expected the Husk/Angel development and that was nice, even if Husk looks hideous. Angel worrying for Charlie and vice versa was also cute.
>>1956784So proud of Viv getting so far! She's even getting a live action show
No. 1956893
>>1956853HH does suck, just not as much as it could. It's still a show for edgy teens, but it has its moments. The Angel episode was good and it was the only one to feature music segments that didn't feel forced and awkward, and it even handled its mature content pretty well I'd say. That said, Angel's story, and the story of the show itself, is surface-level and trite. HH doesn't offer anything I can't find elsewhere done much, MUCH better, and I think people are only as forgiving towards it because of how bad it
could have been.
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alastor was better in the pilot. he had a better voice, was more charming and funny, and he was actually intimidating. there are moments in these episodes where people treat alastor like a joke, like during the meeting. the demon mom that killed the angel treated alastor like he was nothing. he also flexes his powers too much for petty things. yes I'm a big butt hurt alastor fag.
No. 1956942
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>>1956929The only reason I'm watching HH is precisely because of Alastor, I had a crush on him when I was a teenager and I thought I was over that phase but apparently I'm not. But I agree with you, Pilot Alastor was much better.
No. 1957017
>>1957003I get what you're saying if you're talking about Fiz from Helluva (the stalking and the controlling manager) but gay males being abused by other gay males are a thing. In this case it's not a "uniquely female" experiences because male pop artists and actors (especially on the younger side) do get sexually abused. A miscarriage would actually be uniquely female, but you can't really compare it to a twink getting beaten.
Honestly I don't mind seeing male characters get shit every once in a while. I understand they look silly but if they were females I would hate it way more.
No. 1957019
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Wtf happened to Angeldust’s buddy? They have already presented a huge cast but she is missing, did they write her out? The show is already lacking in interesting female characters so it would suck if they removed the one that appeared to be Viv’s favourite twink’s only friend
No. 1957030
>>1957017I clarified in my post that I am well aware that men are abused, including being sexually abused in the entertainment industry. However, the way she depicted it is not how those perversions happen to males, but rather to women. That's what I take issue with - she's applying a female experience to a male form
>Honestly I don't mind seeing male characters get shit every once in a while. I understand they look silly but if they were females I would hate it way more.The problem with this mentality is that you end up depicting a character who is treated and abused as a woman, acts like a woman, and is functionally similar to a woman in all aspects except name.
No. 1957180
>>1957177This thread is defending a person who wants to rape little boys because some weirdo tranny and fat moid for making a 20 year flash parody
And also that Amphibia storyboard, why are you guys defending grown ass men and women drawing porn of children like that
Maybe the sex positive movement is a mistake
No. 1957185
>>1956437I think she isn’t moving on because their some retards who still thinks Vee was some innocent
victim lmao
(retard) No. 1957206
>>1957184lol literally nobody here believes that. also, sage.
>>1957185>>1957180 Some nonnas disagree, though. We’re not some congealed hivemind. I think everyone in this situation is a massive porn addicted retard including Ang KEK, and I personally don’t think a person like Ang should be working on cartoons for children at all. I’ve seen people refer to her in the past iterations of the thread call her out for shit quite often like her being a munchie, being super overdramatic with her suicide tales, saying strange things about sibling relationships like how sisters should groom little brothers, was friends with and defended a woman who LARPED incest and lied about it being real, etc. Not every anon has the same opinion on the topics, nature of a message board, and most nonnas here still don’t like her all that much. I mean I personally even thought the fat moid’s cartoon was obviously a comedic newgrounds edgy thing and not as overtly coomery as what Ang made but I get why the Ang white knights bring it up, it is technically a hypocrisy. But Jane’s documents were frankly fucking retarded, I looked over them. Super off-topic most of the time which ended up hurting any point he may have had made about Ang or Karli or whoever else he was trying to impart to his audience, and he ends up revealing things that just make him look like a huge dipshit. You guys all still have to remember too
everyone this situation is a proclaimed they/them or tranny so there are no winners here everyone playing is confirmed retarded. It’s a trainwreck we’re all just watching happen. I wish the animation industry at this point could burn to the ground considering the degeneracy it fosters but that’s wishful thinking and I think some of the people here are just kind of sick of men always getting the benefit of the doubt and women getting picked to pieces, but imo that applies more to Viv vs Gooseshit rather than this clusterfuck.
Also drawings =/= real life though I do think most pro-shippers who make it their entire personality like Ang are very pornsick people who would be horrible and obnoxious to be around.
(learn2integrate) No. 1957261
>>1957255like the whole scenario is extremely heterosexual female torture fantasy but with male characters instead of women. this shit is nothing but cringe straight woman masochist pulp erotica fiction but with deviantart furries.
glamorous whore with heart of gold
victim draped in fancy nightgown gets slapped around a bit and is reminded how they are owned and possessed, the
victim sherds tears and has a single black eye but not any uglier injuries. others try to help them but alas the poor martyr
victim cannot accept it but accepts their suffering. maybe heterosexual women can't see it but others can see it very clearly what this is about.
the actual abuse that happens between real gay men is lot more violent and uglier than that
>>1957260i agree with you but it still is a typical het woman fantasy scenario.
No. 1957264
>>1957261oh no wow Viv, hack-writer extraordinaire, used a bunch of basic (and old) visual and storytelling tropes (that all stem from female depictions of whores rather than male because one has been more acceptable to feature in entertainment than the other for some time now) instead of depicting sexual violence/exploitation realistically and with the correct
victim type: a woman. It's a cartoon, a tacky sparkle dog one at that, written by a known fujo, what were you expecting?
I don't even like this shit, but I guess my problem is that I don't understand what you actually want instead, and I feel even if Viv did exactly that it'd still be somehow wrong or bad.
No. 1957294
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I watched Hazbin and it surprised me, it wasn't that horrible. I expected a total shitshow and it was quite okay.
I really don't like is Husk's design though, it looks too cutesy and out of place. He is one of the more serious characters and just looks like a cute anime cat. I'd even prefer a pointy sparkledog instead. I just realised he really reminds me of the magician cat from Cats, Mr. Mistoffelees but if Mr. Mistoffelees was a manlet
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>>1957294Samefag but I found out she has referenced Cats musical before and Mr. Mistoffelees and the striped cat Rum tum tugger was a popular fujo ship I wouldn't be surprised if he really is partly inspired by him kek
No. 1957322
>>1957314Anon sounds like she really wanted to see a female getting beaten and raped on screen instead of a twink in a nightgown dramatically getting slapped because it's more realisitc because rape and being a whore are female things.
I wonder if she/he/whatever is the kf user that insists fujos want to be raped.>>1957320I honestly don't see what's the issue. It's a stupid cartoon, it's not meant to be realistic and we see women getting abused in literally everything else. Again it's better if this kind of tropey take on abuse is applied to a sad gayboi rather than a female character that's going to be in a thousand cartoon and furry porn compilations.
No. 1957331
>>1957328She consistently whines about being blacklisted anon
and continuous suicide baiting why are you so insistent on defending a incest loving pedo? Is this projection?
No. 1957369
>>1957364Nonny nowhere did I say anything about personality? I'm talking about Husk's design. He just looks really out of place to me in Hazbin and so I was speculating she got inspired by Mr. Mistoffelees because she did reference Cats before and being a fujo she was probably into the character kek, it's just a tinfoil.
Also in Cats specifically the cast sometimes had fun with these two characters and they kissed on stage in some productions so they're a bit more than gay coded but that's not relevant
No. 1957376
>>1957172I think him being a siwwy wittle goofball is the "twist"…I'm at least hoping they're going to subtly show him having immense power despite his manlet softie exterior. He's king of hell so shouldn't he be more powerful than alastor?? Here it looks like he's getting put down upon by him almost.
I was imagining him to be a lot like Charlie in that he has an inherent goodness in him(lilith being more evil maybe) because he was described as a dreamer which is how Charlie is.
No. 1957390
>>1957386like do you even follow the conversations that are happening at all. anon points out that the gay spider is acting like a basically a stand-in for a woman. other anons disagree and sperg how well gay men get abused too. i say that i agree with the original anon, and point out the way in which the gay spider is acting like a stand in for a female character. you retards lose your shit and start your usual moid schreeching and paranoia schizophrenia posting about your personal
nonnie enemies like this
>>1957377 No. 1957397
>>1957320>>1957322Have any of you considered that perhaps there is a significant portion of women who would rather not see
any fetishized sexual abuse in media, especially media that's this low-brow?
Inb4 sperging about censorship and "antis", or whatever you call it. No. 1957407
>>1957397Are we seriously having this conversation about fucking Hazbin Hotel of all things? Not exactly an example of high or deep art, nor is it going to influence the general population in any way so this weird moral panic is so stupid. Why don't you go sperg about Saltburn or something instead of this indulgent oc fic that is marketed towards a niche audience.
Some of the conversations in this thread are making me think retards and/or twitter users have invaded I swear to god.
No. 1957413
>>1957390Have you considered going back to the shithole that you came from? (kf) You literally think women want to be raped. Nobody cares about your moid-tier opinions on women. We get it, you don't like gays and fujos, fuck off to your thread then or run back to the smelly incels, stupid pickme. I swear to god every fucking thing has to go back to fujos and all the bullshit psychoanalysis on women who totally want to be raped because they make corny gay characters.
>>1957397Then stop watching and bitching about a show set in hell where characters yell sex jokes every two seconds. Oh my god a male twink spider is doing the corny soap opera thing where he gets abused but his heart is so broken that must mean the creator is a fujo and fujos want to be raped because they put rape in their stories oh nooo!!! This place has become incel and twitterfag central I guess.
No. 1957417
>>1957399 through
>>1957415>"but if no rape, then puritan twitterfag"Why are you even here if you're into the same shit Viv's into? Wouldn't you be better suited to jacking off in the western animation thread on /m/ about how based you think it is that a fujo made the edgy yaoi rape drama dick joke show of her dreams? We point and laugh at degenerates and spergs here.
No. 1957425
>>1957418If Viv were a man, she would just be another coomertard in a sea of coomertards. It's impossible to give a shit about every last one of them though they do deserve worse than her.
>>1957420I was expecting to hate it, like I imagine most people who actually belong ITT do. Also, you're the real retard here if you think there's nothing in between Bluey and coomershit.
>>1957422Nice try, I was one of the people calling him a mass groomer from the start.
No. 1957443
>>1957437I'm asking again: Why are you
here instead of on /m/ if you don't want to make fun of Viv or her shows? If you're here to do so for other shows, that's fine, but you have to be aware that your personal favorite isn't exempt from criticism or mockery. If you like the show, talk about it on /m/ and leave the thread when we're shitting on it so you don't sperg out about how it "doesn't deserve the hate".
No. 1957452
>>1957441How is it "moralsperging" to say "lots of women don't want to see on-screen fetishized sexual abuse"? I didn't say anything about whether it's right or wrong to show that content, just that it's something a lot of people will find unappealing and unpleasant.
>>1957445Do you think /snow/ is for actual insightful critique?
No. 1957498
>>1957141I think the singers struggle in both this and the Camilla/Vaggie song. They're not great, Vaggie even sounds completely different from her fake deep speaking voice.
>>1957483Velvette especially looks so weird during the profile shots.
No. 1957518
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>>1956853Id probably like the show if the character designs weren’t so fucking bad. Alastor makes me the most angry because he is suppose to be a serial killer radio host from the 1920s but is designed like a emo ftm cosplaying the Oncler. Viv obviously did zero research on what men wore in the 1920s. His horrible design has remained mostly unchanged over several years which is insane. There’s also all the fucking RED. I cannot tell what is going on sometimes because the show looks like a mass of red.
Spoiler for eye strain. I cant even read the fucking text kek.
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I'll say it. I hated Poison at first but seeing it alongside animation, it's actually not that bad. It definitely can't stand on it's own but it did go well with its sequence. I'm not a gay spider fag I swear.
Although why does Viv want her shit animated so quickly? I had to slow down the speed just so I could actually see all of the scenes and characters during the song.
No. 1957645
>>1957581Tbh I agree and I kind of admire the fact that as thin skinned as she seems to be she’s kept on anyway without ever really bowing to the insane tumblr sperg mob that has been trying to get her cancelled for years. I’m glad her show saw the light of day, for a while I actually thought a24/Netflix might drop her for wrongthink
>>1957636Because it’s a show with a short series order, a bloated cast, and a showrunner who doesn’t want any of her ocs ending up on the catting room floor even if it’s better for the story. They’re cramming in as much as they can.
>>1957637They’re growing on me too unfortunately. I still prefer Angel’s pilot VA which is weird because I hated him in Lackadaisy, lol
No. 1957652
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I follow a lot of artists and everyone and their mother is throwing their two cents in the discourse. Viv is getting scrutinized to death primarily because she is a woman and secondly because she is a cringe reactionary. People who are at the "hiding away the hands in the pose so I don't draw them" stage are calling Viv untalented. She is getting blamed for the VA replacement. The first discourse about how Angel was transphobic because he had chest fluff. I notice these reactions happen when the media appeals to these kids but it is "morally wrong" so they're "critical about it", they are "just fixing the characters", you can "watch the show here instead don't give Viv money". This happens with a lot of fandoms especially with creators & fandom being mostly women such as Steven Universe or Black Butler or Harry Potter. They want to like it but morally they cannot so they have to go through these hooplas.
It's funny when this never happens to men. A lot of these people love One Piece (creator being friends with a pedo arrested for having baffling amounts of child porn), TADC (weirdo creator with guro/noncon adjecent cringe fetishes), Berserk (creator defending actual loli), unapolegetically gooner youtubers and animators…etc.
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>>1957652Check out the “vivziepop critical” tag on tumblr. Tons of this and tons of posts from TIFs gushing about how Gooseworx and Tracy Butler are the only moral and just indie showrunners.
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>>1957652I'm pretty sure there are pentagrams, crosses and upside down crosses in Cult of the Lamb
No. 1957686
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>>1957683>>1957652Cult of the Lamb devs do the exact the same thing but no one gives a fuck. Obviously the twittard didn't play the game because there's so much religious imagery. Even the Lamb itself is a religious symbol.
No. 1957742
>>1957686>>1957683i see you guys havent ever been embroiled in pagan/revivalist/magick discourse before. the metric of oppression/appropriation for these people is whether a religion is "open"(to converts) or "closed"(only practiced by specific groups, usually linked to ethnicity, some define as requiring "initiation"). its a-ok to appropriate, commodify, and aestheticise christian, "druidic", wiccan, norse, greek, sometimes buddhist… symbols/practices (arguably wrt druidic/norse/greek, depending on how whoever is writing the callout is disposed towards ideas of "european indigeneity" and the legacy of christian imperialism). it is NOT OKAY and SO DEEPLY AND SERIOUSLY OFFENSIVE to do the same to symbols/practices from judaism, hinduism, shinto, vodun/vodou/voodoo, santeria, etcetc. this is real bottom of the barrel "is doing yoga classes actually racist spiritual appropriation of hindustani brown pocs" type discourse.
fwiw i know a couple obeahmen and i really, really, sincerely doubt they would waste a second caring about some fag californian cartoons "appropriating" symbols in the most basic, shallow way possible. No. 1957748
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>>1957652God i hate gendie moral fags so much. Remember when they tried to cancel Viv for drawing weird “underaged”(the character was an adult kek) snake porn almost a decade prior, but Gooseworx gets away with HIS creepy drilling shit and agp despite being a women in their eyes? What is it about viziepop that pisses the gendies off so much kek. She caters to them more than anyone has dared to in history.
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>>1957745Viziepop dragging black people back into slavery because she made a cringe voodo sexy man.
No. 1957783
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>>1957742>>1957652The real reason people are getting offended is that some of the symbols used are also used in voodoo. If she were using random old Christian, Satanic, or even Buddhist symbols, people would not be offended at all. However, because it's associated with a "marginalized" group, it automatically becomes bad, kind of forgetting the fact that voodoo itself stems from folk Catholic practices.
No. 1957794
>>1957783They're also forgetting the fact that Alastor is supposed to be from New Orleans and part Creole, so him having voodoo magic worked in makes sense for his character. But because a white woman came up with this she's automatically evil lol. It's not like she's trying to practice voodoo her damn self she's writing a fucking character.
I swear to god "kids these days" have forgotten that like…Just because someone writes a character doing certain things or acting a certain way, doesn't mean that they're approving of those things or doing those things themselves??
No. 1958004
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The new spongebob movie leaked. I think it got blocked on Twitter, but it works embedded on Discord. Whats up with so many fucking leaks lately?! do companies just dont care anymore if their shit gets leaked on the internet.
https://fxtwitter.com/DERRlCKWHITE/status/1749141011945697685 No. 1958024
>>1958016Definetly. funny how they can read entire ED articles full of slurs but get
triggered when a gay spider sings about getting raped.
No. 1958163
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>>1957671Viv must be jealous that she’s not a transgender queen like Gooseworx!
No. 1958169
>>1958163this is such virtue signally garbage. these women only kiss troon ass because they feel bad that they know they're men. these points are stupid as well:
>actively tries to dissuade [his] fandom from behaving like assholesbut he actively encourages his fans to draw depraved fanart of his characters, and he's perfectly happy with children being exposed to that depraved fanart
>gives both [his] male and female characters equal depth and time to shinedid we watch the same show? the female characters were all carbon copies of each other. their whole point of existing was to be constantly in pain & suffering. the only interesting female character is a they/them
goose, like every male troon, can do no wrong in their eyes. when he's inevitably outed as a pedo, vivzie will be blamed for having associated with him
No. 1958251
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wonder how this is gonna play out.
No. 1958277
>>1958251Sera's wings look like Vaggie's in the trailer. I still can't believe they gave out the huge twist like that, discovering that Vaggie's an angel (a fallen one probably) could have been Vaggie's character development.
Also I just can't feel sympathy for the demons. The point of this show is that Charlie wants them to be redeemed and wants angels to stop the cleanses and we're supposed to be on her side but the demons are genuinely awful. Like there's cannibals and killers on the streets, even the main characters keep acting like shit, the angels are technically in the right even if they're introduced as dicks from the start.
No. 1958305
Have you guys seen the conservative christian backlash HH is getting, mostly on Twitter? I was expecting it of course, people boycotting Amazon (or saying they will kek), but some of the things they’re saying are extra retarded, like comparing the damn thing to Cuties? Even if they’re just comparing it to how audiences reacted to it, it’s obviously a comparison they’re trying to make so people associate the two. People are treating Hazbin like it’s that shitty Netflix Satan cartoon with the tranny that actually WAS for kids. Idk, if I was a parent I’d be less concerned about a show labeled clearly as for adults having themes I disagree with and more that they have Glenn Martin DDS, a show with a running gag about a dog’s anus, marked as “for children”, meaning that children can watch on it freely their side of the app. I watched this video about the backlash, it’s from a conservative Christian lens. Some good points were made, like the stuff about muslim critique not being allowed in the mainstream media and that people will probably keep Amazon anyway, but I still think the video was fucking dumb. Their example about South Park being “better” was piss-poor, Satan HAS been positively portrayed on that show many times lol. He literally went to heaven, you retard.
No. 1958307
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>>1958305samefag here’s proof Glen Martin DDS is under kids. I know literally no one cares about this old shitty show, I don’t either. I just happened to notice it being included with actual kids content when I was scrolling through Prime recently. I wish I could talk to someone to Prime directly to tell them about this, but I haven’t found a way and I do not have a Twitter where I could @ them about it.
No. 1958423
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>>1958368never heard of this but that thing in the thumbnail looks like thog kek
No. 1958478
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>>1958457Actually I was wrong, it wasn't in a trailer but it was just a released image, she clearly has some sort of wings here and seeing as her name is vagina-related like the other angels it's pretty obvious
No. 1958621
I've only watched the first Hazbin Hotel episode and I'm a bit mixed on it. I appreciate that they added in some more context on why Charlie created the hotel and how she's linked to Lilith as her daughter. I can't remember if the original pilot run mentioned that so if so, my bad but nonetheless, it helped because in the original, I remember wondering why a hell demon would go through all that effort to get demons to go to heaven.
I also don't like Vaggie's re-design or voice. Not that her original design was stellar but it looked a tad more interesting than what they went with for the redesign. I get why they changed the color since maybe white/pink seemed too pastel themed for a hell creature but I don't understand why they didn't simply just change the colors of the original dress. And her voice just sounds, I dunno what word to use but it doesn't sound great.
On the other hand though, the obsessive swearing is as obnoxious as ever. I get that they're demons and demons in hell generally wouldn't care about being proper but still, it doesn't make it any more enjoyable to listen to and it just comes off edgelordy.
But something I have thought about with this potential reasoning for the script writing (for both Hazbin and Helluva), is that isn't it funny how these characters will drop F-bombs and misogynistic insults but won't use other offensive words like "retard", "faggot", "scrote", or "tranny"? It just really makes you think and kidna cripples the settling a bit kek.
No. 1958672
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>>1958621I weirdly have the opposite opinion about Vaggie’s redesign, I think the original wasn’t really indicative of her personality like the others in the cast were, and her outfit was too similar to what other characters like Cherri Bomb’s wear, their tops are so alike. So I like the new outfit, it looks more like a concierge and I think it fits her stern and serious personality. But I think the color palette on her original design was WAY better and more inspired. Too many of the main characters have crimson red as a central color in their design, and now with her being red too, now Angel (her foil) is the only pink one so it looks unbalanced and that possible visual storytelling opportunity is squandered. I agree that the voice acting is bad though, I’d say across the board the pilot voices were better sounding to me but I’m still on the first episode of the Prime series so maybe Keith David as Husk will wow me. Also, yeah I watched the original pilot again yesterday and you’re right they don’t bring up Lilith. I think it’s because that pilot was much more of a “meet all the characters” type of pilot.
No. 1958679
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>>1958672same anon but KEK moment I unpaused the first episode was where Husk literally starts talking. Yeah, Keith David is definitely the best one here. I’m still mad about Viv recasting Katie Killjoy with Brandon Rogers though. She was one of my favorite characters and had such a perfect voice already. What a shame. I guess the joke is that it’s ironic cause she hates gays but it’s still a terrible choice.
No. 1958730
>>1958679Brandons voice is so ugly. Idk how to explain it but its just so gross like his voice
triggers my gag reflex like a comb and a cat.
No. 1958771
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>>1958730Agree, I think it fits okay for Blitzø but honestly his voice sticks out like a sore thumb for me in HH, like HH is too whimsical for him?
>>1958672Too late to edit when I realized this and I didn’t want to post again right after I had double posted earlier but I learned that Vaggie is actually the manager not the concierge, still agree with what I said though.
No. 1958797
>>1958794you havent seen helluva boss have you
nonnie…
there are troon characters in it No. 1958800
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>>1958794Well she DID unintentionally make Kayla trans since she lacks a pouch.
But in her old work, two of her nothing characters, Koko(one of the purple JayJay clones) and Kiki(the green hummingbird girl in the middle) are trans. It still baffles me that she actually made JayJay 10 TIMES with the only good one being a joke character.
No. 1958805
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>>1958794Not even lowkey, her lack of “transmasc representation” is one of the main points in most of her callout posts lmao
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sDWKNoqLLL3svx4NGOeJbg0eidZqNdw7YddezYIBc-g/ No. 1958821
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>>1958794One of Millie's siblings is an mtf that was drawn with a bulge in some pinup merch at the request of the voice actor, who is also trans.
No. 1958825
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>>1958821had to find it for myself. here it is. what the fuck
No. 1958916
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>>1958794Why are so many people simping for Vivzie? As already posted she does have trans characters, plus she hates JK Rowling and likely all other "terfs". Vivzie's no different than any other pickme trans handmaiden.
No. 1958927
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>>1958805But there was a random transman character too
No. 1958938
>>1958251Am I alone in finding it weird and tokenistic that they're casting voice actors for these fantasy characters and factoring race in for them? Cuphead in the cartoon is voiced by a black dude, and going off the quality of his performance I heavily doubt he was casted with that factored in.
I understand if you for example wanted the most natural accent possible for a foreigner speaking English, so you hired a VA who has a specific language as their first language with english as the second (like a latino voicing a mexican character who has touches of dialogue in both languages) but the "actress of color" and the fucking heart emoji in the descriptions here feel so… patronizing. Sometimes it feels like people who aren't white are just props for these wokeoids
No. 1958940
>>1958672Her outfit looks better, but I also like the moth motifs they added into her hair and ribbon. I don't particularly care for either color scheme.
>>1958938I found it weird, too. It's definitely tokenizing, but it also feels like it's generalizing people of specific races as sounding a certain way.
No. 1959020
>>1958672AYRT and that's a really interesting perspective. I do see what you mean how they wanted to make Vaggie look more professional and I'm all for that, I just wish the outfit didn't look so… Tacky. But I definitely see what you mean, I forgot about Cherri Bomb to be honest and you're right, their tops look the same so they changed it. But glad I'm not the only one who finds the voice so off-putting. I don't really mind everyone else's, Angeldust's original voice sounded better but I don't mind his replacement.
>>1958776>>1958789Exactly kek. It's like Vivzie really didn't think things through on what to consider if she really wanted to make her setting literal hell where all kinds of deplorable people end up going and how it would be wonderland of all kinds of fucked up rhetoric. You have hell creatures literally stabbing and killing each other in the background too so it's like come on Vivzie, either commit to it or don't lmao.
No. 1959047
>>1959020I think the reason the original VA was recast with Stephanie Beatriz is because of the songs. Stephanie Beatriz can sing, she was Mirabel in Encanto, was in the In The Heights movie, and did vidrel. I feel like Encanto featured much better voice acting from her though? I genuinely had no clue she played Mirabel until I looked it up.
>>1958955I think it’s mostly that some anons just grew really fed up with the anti-Viv circlejerk and it bred an opposite reaction of people sucking her off. A good portion of people can’t seem to have middle ground opinions either I’ve noticed. Like discussion on Goosetroon creates this image in some people’s heads of Vivzie being this amazingly based creator just because she is better than him by comparison, when really that was a low bar. Saying this all as someone who is and has always been basically neutral to Vivzie, I’ll watch her cartoons sometimes but that’s not because I’m a huge fan of her but just because I like adult cartoons and checking out new ones. Honestly, even though I’ve enjoyed the discussion of Hazbin Hotel here I think it’s taking up so much of this thread nowadays it’s less an animation thread and more a Vivziepop thread kek. Have any other interesting animation things happened lately?
No. 1959069
>>1958916I haven’t seen anyone here really simping for her and she’s hardly the
TERF some here want her to be but she’s refused to bend a knee when dogpiled by insane internet teenagers and her lack of PR training and sloppy way of defending herself is almost refreshing when that crowd is used to being constantly coddled. She kind of made her bed by ever catering to them at all though.
No. 1959533
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Episode 5 completely ruined his character. How do you create interesting characters for a pilot and then proceed to fuck it up in a show that badly? Even fanfic writers are able to stick to solid characterization better than someone making their own show and dealing with their own characters.
No. 1959587
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Viv liking brands to boycott for Palestine, and then… Supporting those brands… With a visit to Disneyland and the amount of fucking starbucks she had on her Japan trip I'm just convinced at this point she has a fetish for getting yelled at online.
No. 1959602
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it's over, alastorsisters. pilot alastor was all a lie. episode 5 was the nail on the coffin. i'm not just disappointed, i hate him now. instead of mischievous, he's an asshole. instead of cool and collected, he gets angry and annoyed easily. instead of being intimidating and mysterious, he shows off his powers any chance he gets. they even had him yelling out "I'M THE RADIO DEMON!!!" it was so cringe. hearing him say "fuck you" actually shocked me from how out of character it was. he's supposed to be prim and proper. he should never curse. pilot alastor would have shown respect to lucifer (and vise versa) instead of doing this creepy "i'm charlie's new dad" thing. what even was that all about?? how did they fuck this up??? i hate this so much. i spent so many years on tumblr back in the day, minding my own business, never succumbing to a tumblr sexy man and the one time i do, the show decides to speed run his ruination. i want a fucking refund on this character.
(btw i don't want to fuck alastor. i just had an autistic fascination for him and now that's ruined.)(this thread is about animation cows)
No. 1959603
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>>1959602Hello fellow autist Alastorfag. I feel this exact same way. Ep 5 just ruined him for me. He's so fucking cringy all throughout that episode. Him saying "fuck you" and getting so easily frazzled was just so ooc from how he was in the pilot. I liked his pilot version since 2019 and I feel like they messed up his character so bad. I guess it's my fault for expecting a character to be somewhat cool when he was created by the same person who made the shit pile of characters that make up Helluva Boss.
(husbando thread is that way -->) No. 1959605
>>1959602I'm right there with you. I don't know how it all went so wrong. Well, maybe I do, if the leaks are real (which it's looking like they are). Making Alastor Charlie's babysitter who is also under the order of another demon (Lilith, it seems) versus Alastor who just wanted to watch people fail and suffer. And the whole swearing thing made me do the same! He did swear in the official comic for the show, but that was done via his internal monologue and it was Vox that got him to do it. Him just outright saying it to Lucifer of all people, wow. And he is SO constantly annoyed and easily hurt by stuff! He should be not giving a fuck and brushing everything off. He's supposed to be so charming, polite, and peppy with hints of his power. Now he's pissy and rude and so blatantly showing off how powerful he is. Who is this man, give me back pilot Alastor, please. Doesn't help that Ed did such a better job than his new VA.
>>1959603I can't believe there's actually three of us autist Alastorsisters here. I feel so seen. We should start a support group.
(this thread is about animation cows) No. 1959606
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My fellow Alastorsisters, I'm deeply disappointed by your fragility- he was already ruined by the first episode and surely we all knew it would get worse. Lament over what we lost and delude yourself into believing your one true headcanon.
But yeah that was fucking abhorrent, but hey we only have to suffer two more episodes. Maybe that secondary plot line will led somewhere, probably not though.(this thread is about animation cows)
No. 1959616
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>>1959614Can be summed up by this
(derailing) No. 1959628
>>1959626Agree.
>>1959625Lol no we don’t. People are trying to get one made but none have been made yet.
No. 1959719
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>>1959712Sage, retard. Also, its a tranny with a head drill fetish ofcourse he wants to groom children.
No. 1959778
>>1959712The tweets aren't an outright admission of grooming, but they do confirm that Gooseworx is aware that his free-on-Youtube cartoon has a large audience of "super young impressionable children"
his words, that he
likes that, and that he has a Brony-like vested interest in showing disturbing content to children in particular. You can't misread "children are watching, so I'm doubling down on making the show upsetting," and it's very difficult to read "I want to ruin children's lives" in a charitable way when the man who said it is openly paraphilic and actively encourages his fanbase to make degenerate porn of the characters from his show.
No. 1959900
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>>1959869getting into comics is extremely hard, and i say this as someone who prefeers western comics over manga. I think the only thing western comics have over manga is the varied artstyles.
No. 1960108
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>>1960064Same, RS can be cringe at times but I like that she never 'apologized' for having a crush on Dib when she was 16 or for drawing EEnE smut or for being a 'nazi sympathizer'. I hope she never does.
>>1960093I think nona is saying that Vivziepop wouldn't get half the shit she gets if she stopped arguing with 14 year olds on Twitter.
No. 1960119
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>>1960108The fact that Rebecca sugar was like this as a teenager but still later found industry success, became friends with Jhonen, and ended up writing the forward for the Invader Zim art book is extremely funny to me
No. 1960239
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>>1960064viv would hate all the simps here lol
No. 1960371
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>>1960223>>1960311mind you this is what majority of these "revolutionaries" are like IRL.
No. 1960453
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Found this interesting thread on consistency in animation.
https://twitter.com/Killskerry/status/1503449388210741248TL;DR - According to OP, inconsistency in animation has always been a thing, therefore criticizing a show for it is invalid.
(not cow related) No. 1960472
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>>1958776Reminds me of this
No. 1960512
>>1960453Apparently it happened in Steven universe because they had multiple different Korean animation studios doing the final animation. There was an expensive studio that followed the model sheets, and a cheaper studio that followed the boards without much regard for the sheets. Even after cleanup, boards aren't perfect, and the point of the boards is to show the shot composition and movements; they don't have to be perfectly on-model. Making sure they're on-model is what the animators, not the boarders, are supposed to do.
The more expensive studio was assigned to work on important episodes like Jailbreak and Change Your Mind. The cheap studio was used for the more "filler-y" episodes, which are the ones where Peridot and others look super off-model.
No. 1960519
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>>1960499you can tell vivzie isn't writing anymore because it's more coherant. if you liked centaurworld you'll like hazbin because hazbin is just centaurworld if it shopped at hot topic
>>1960517you can tell vivzie was aching to make the plot more alastor and angel dust centric but the prime writing room reigned her in
>>1960514daria isn't a musical though
No. 1960553
>>1960512You're right that boards don't have to be perfectly on-model, but characters should be essentially on-model when it comes to proportions and scale (since those are important to composition and how the movement will look)- it's not the foreign animation studio's job fix the slop you hand them, only animate as-is. Animators and clean-up artists will help improve consistency and the on-modelness of the final product, but you shouldn't expect them to do a complete overhaul. A lot of SU's best pieces of animation were also either pencilled/boarded by guest animators or by the lead staff who drew the characters more on-model, so regardless of which studio got given the boards the sequences/episodes would turn out better.
I hate people making excuses for SU's inconsistency issues because it's a piss-easy style to draw and everyone on the American side of production shouldn't have had so much trouble boarding it on-model. Look at boards for pretty much any decent anime or more consistent western cartoon and you won't find the characters being chibi-fied for no reason with the expectation of them being fixed later on (plus if you do something like that, it's likely the animation studio you shipped your boards off to will just assume you want the characters to look like that on purpose for a visual gag or something). Sorry for the rant kek
No. 1960647
>>1960560This. SU fanbase made so much excuses for Rebecca and her crew laziness with art and poor storytelling. One with "Rose's" hair was first drawn very nice and detail then later on the crew gave up on detailing her hair and it became a big blob on her head; SU fans made the stupid excuse of "no no no, its to show how "Rose" is really not this perfect gem the gems made her out to be. UwU". Same with that whole Pink Diamond's "redemption" was totally "done in reverse" excuse they kept shouting out.
Rebecca had all these somewhat decent ideas about gems (expect the whole gems are "non-binary women" when they're clearly women) and she threw them all away: the temple can make gem rooms (never put to use), fusions rooms (shown once and never again), fusion gems can be their own gem without other gems fusing (never shown), Diamonds can fuse, which could have been a cool final battle (never shown other than Pink), etc.
No. 1960715
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>>1960453Reminds me of this
No. 1960804
>>1960647Loves the concept of SU, primarily space rocks taking over the universe, but could never get into it. The story writing could never ‘show’ the audience, it always had to explain how you should feel about a situation portrayed in the show, then would recon a lot of things if the audience still interpreted things differently.
I still really hate Steven and a lot of the characters, they all seem entitled? Like, I don’t think that’s what they were going for, but for most of the dramatic scenes, it never appeared to me that the crew had any actual idea on the emotional depth of experiences that they were portraying. Like they were a bunch of shut ins, feeling high and mighty by the attention they were receiving by equally stunted kids/young adults. By the time future started, I had to stop hate watching because it wasn’t even enjoyable.
No. 1960844
>>1960715I hate the designs in this show
>>1960804This. SU had a cool concept but ruined it with too much exposition.
No. 1960847
>>1960804Fucking This. The way Rebecca and the crew handle the topics of abuse, losing a love one, and everyone can be redeemed was HORRIBLE. The Diamonds should have been bubbled up for their abuse and crimes to gems and planets; nope, Steven was really one of them so now they're his wacky aunts and get off scott free but Rebecca saying Spinel is more evil than them somehow. Just everything about Pearl and the unfunny joke that she likes any woman that looks like Pink Dia. oh sorry, Rose Diamond. Same with the whole Pink Diamond reveal, everyone should forgive every bad, hurtful thing she did and get over it quickly.
Like Rebecca and the crew think
victims of abuse can just magically talk to their abuser with ease, get over it and hook up with someone quicky and live happily ever after when none of the crew or Rebecca, from what I know, have never faced abuse in they'll lives to know thats not how it fucking works
No. 1960849
>>1960647lmao, really? people actually made those kinds of excuses? kek
I mostly hate how people push the blame for things like art/animation inconsistency onto the foreign studios, feels kind of shitty. I get that the studio animation is passed on to can fuck up a project, but it also feels convenient for fans to be able to shift the blame to some faceless foreign studio and away from the named/better known American staff.
No. 1960901
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>>1960849Storyboards have degraded over the years. Storyboard artists arent able to draw anymore, so poor foreign studios have to try to decipher what the american storyboard artist meant when they drew an squiggly ball with googly eyes and turn it into a comprehensible finished drawing. The fault is 100% on the storyboarders, but they shield behind ''muh style'', when in reality they are just untalented unskilled hacks with an expensive degree.
No. 1960951
>>1960898it’s not just that. his entire friend group basically hijacked the rebeltaxi podcast because hes friends with pans gendie gf neoncaffiene, apparently they used to date.
the new ‘parasociety’ is Rebeltaxi, braxtonjs or juststop neoncaffiene and dumbsville. pan sharing the same space as these parasites sucks none of them do art or have any talent and have just latched onto him.the entire cartoon sphere just sucks tbh
No. 1960989
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>>1960571>>1960647>>1960804Basically, a lot of SU's art and story inconsistencies have to do with the way it was produced. There were multiple writers and storyboard artists working on the show, all of whom basically got to make whatever beach city AU episode they wanted, as long as it didn't affect the main plot. That's why there were so many pointless towny episodes that never went anywhere.
here's a list of all the writers and what episodes they wrote
https://imgur.com/a/tCstI No. 1960991
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>>1960951pan's gendie gf is so autistic. She's 22 and draws like this, kek. I am glad he only featured her once, got terrible views because she was annoying as fuck, and now only collabs with her on his channel.
No. 1961002
>>1960991her whole deal is that she dates bigger and bigger youtubers fr popularity
her arts so bad too
i woulnt have an issue with her if shedidnt transparently use her connection to pan as a shield to start shit with people
(sage your shit) No. 1961065
>>1961051I honestly don't get why she had to make the shitty cartoon have some moral messages like a toddlers' cartoon. If anything, most cartoon for tweens/teens often mock the whole "message of the day" thing.
She fucked up with delivering the messages she tried to send with Stephan Universe, specially considering the corny ass ending of Stephen universe electric Boogaloo.
No. 1961070
>>1961051>If you want realistic portrayals of abuse, go watch something for actual adults for a change instead of shitty cartoons for children.This. This. A thousand times, this.
It's one thing for a show like Sesame Street to talk about things like death or parental incarceration because those are things that some children have to deal with. But how many children watching Cartoon Network are dealing with relationship abuse???
No. 1961074
>>1961065All Rebecca's messages in the show come off as "just cry your eyes out and talk no jutsu your way out of all your problems and everything will be a-ok."
>>1961070This. Always funny how grown man/women child fanbase kept screaming "ITS A KIDS SHOW" whenever you call out the problems the show had, knowing full well that little to no kids was watching this boring ass cartoon
No. 1961141
>>1961051>>1961070I dislike the idea that children not being able to handle heavy topics as an excuse for poor writing. Shows like ATLA or Static Shock were able to address heavier themes in a way kids or tweens could understand. Even something like BtAS had heavier plot points that weren’t applicable to children at all but could deliver them in a way that was still enjoyable for them to watch.
CN producer meddling could definitely interfere with how far they could take things (like almost not getting the Ruby/Sapphire kiss) but the stretch of filler coupled with not knowing when the series was going to get cancelled, then hurrying wrapping of massive plot points when it did get canned, also contributed to the lack of depth. The mini series put a small bandaid on the wound that was the messy handling.
>>1961139NTA but I knew 20s adults that were really into Owl House while it was airing. From what I could tell it was big with former SU and SvtFoE crowd.
No. 1961152
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>>1959587Speaking of Palestine, a bunch of Storyboard Artists are hosting a Charity Stream for Palestine.
50 bucks says it'll be a complete shit-show…
No. 1961336
>>1961051Completely agree with you nonna. But Rebecca made some retarded choices, she knew full well who was actually watching her show. You can teach kids to talk their way out of misunderstandings, and that's a great message for a kid's show, but she should have made that an option for smaller issues that kids can relate to. God knows the SU fanbase needs to be handheld through the intricacies of adult life, like learning how to clean up their moldy ramen-and-pocky strewn rooms, or how to move on after someone tells you 'no'. Rebecca could have made the diamonds into space Nazis like they clearly were, and had lesser villains throughout the series whose crimes consisted of telling Stephen to eat a vegetable or suggesting he wear a slightly different outfit sometimes. Then the 20 year olds watching the show could learn that some villains are forgivable, and some are not. She could even have had Stephen read out a synopsis of the episode at the end in case the viewers hadn't understood the moral of the episode.
I really wish little kids' shows had remained adult-free. The internet would be so much better that way.
No. 1961429
>>1961085juststop doesn’t get enough shit from the cartoon community. he made a video defending vic mignogna, his earliest videos were tracing callouts, he enabled daft for years till he conveniently blamed the whole mark thing on him despite him being the one to start it, he’s a massive hypocrite
he fucking sucks and it annoys me him and that autist scrote dumbsville have so much influence
his videos are also dogshit he has nothing interesting to say or intelligent to add he just repeats whatever other people say
(sage your shit) No. 1961446
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https://passionfru.it/hazbin-hotel-spindlehorse-studio-46812/Nothing new but wild to see “Hazbin critical” tumblr accounts cited as sources lol.
No. 1961463
>>1961429>>1960951genuine
why the hate for dumbsville ? i love his videos and find them funny
(newfaggotry, tone indicator, unitegrated posting, derailing) No. 1961536
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reminder this is the kind of art that mango makes kek
No. 1961726
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If Eve turns out to be the Big Bad it would be hilarious that hazbin hotel is supposed to be subversive but still plays into christian sexism of making eve the source of all evil.
No. 1961753
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Remember Ang Vondra the animator who supposedly died / entered EOL after being "blacklisted" for her shotacon drawings in October? Turns out she's very much alive and
posting videos about her current situation and her supposed alien abduction. It seems like whatever sanity she had left is just gone and now shes talking about how shes actually several aliens in a trenchcoat sent to earth to spread her teachings. Ang claims to have never lied about dying and is planning on leaving her earthly vessel. I wonder how the people who used her as a martyr feel right now kek
No. 1961758
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>>1961754Jame's definitely using this situation to get pressure off his back for the multiple violent rape threats he's made in the past. Still no proof that she assaulted / groomed him but Ang was lying about being dead so clearly he can't be lying either!
No. 1961771
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>>1961753The moid who’s labeling this weirdo girl as a sexual abuser posts this as proof of Angela having attempted to molest him, all while posting “I was so hard the entire time (seductive emoji)” and expects people to believe a girl victimized his agp ass? Please.
No. 1961782
>>1960898Agree with you anon. This isn't to say that we millennials got it down with entertaining review videos because look at Saberspark for example, he's just as boring as the aforementioned zoomer clique but you know, as cringe as Channel Awesome, Normal Boots, and Hidden Block reviewers could be, at least some of them could be funny and at the absolutely very least, their videos were not an ass load long.
Personally, I don't mind a video that is 1 hour long but only if the creator is actually entertaining or informative but these guys are just not "it", at least not for me.
>I miss when Rebeltaxi used to upload more frequently.Same. I was actually watching some of Rebeltaxi's older videos and while they are a tad dated, I still enjoy them. I know Pan is a bit of a coomer but his videos were genuinely fun.
Honestly when it comes to cartoon reviewers, Rebeltaxi is the only channel I fully enjoy. I also enjoy a channel called Dial Up Digest, she's one of the few woman cartoon creators and she mostly talks about Nickelodeon cartoons but I find her videos both relaxing and nostalgic. There's also a channel called DuskTillDawn best known for his "The Dark Side of Hey Arnold" series and I think he's okay but his videos can be an hour long but unlike the zoomer clique (not sure if he's a zoomer), he manages to make the subject manner genuinely interesting to listen to. But aside from those, most of the cartoon reviewers, I'm just not all that into.
No. 1961785
>>1961726Christian's do not see Eve as evil, they see her as the first
victim of evil (Satan).
(derailing) No. 1961787
>>1960951I didn't know they had a podcast. I wasn't even aware that Pan cancelled the Pizza Party Podcast, I just assumed he was on hiatus but it makes sense why there hasn't been a new episode in a long while. IF I'm wrong on this though, I apologize, I don't follow Pan on social media all that much and have only learned about his new gendie GF a few days ago kek.
>>1960991Shouldn't be surprised she's a furry. Makes sense why she thinks she's not a woman.
>>1961020I agree, I don't think he's a groomer. It's sad if your assumption is correct that he's essentially going through a midlife crisis and he's dating (mentally ill) young woman to get it. I don't understand why he couldn't find a woman around his age who's into the same things he is. Then again, he is terminally online and spends a lot of time on Twitter.
>>1961463>Why the hate for dumbsville ? i love his videos and find them funny+! on someone who doesn't like his content. My reasoning is pretty much the same as
>>1961468 His "shitposty" humor is not funny at all to me, it's very grating and irritating. And yeah, the earrape jokes are terrible as well. And I don't find his reviewers insightful at all.
Question, are you in the age range of 25-30+? I only ask because as someone in their early 30s, I feel like this is a reason why I don't care for Dumsville style of content because it's not just him, it's anyone else who does a similar editing/humor style like his and I notice that they tend to be zoomers who love this type of humor.
No. 1961810
>>1961785"It depends on the sect and the specific interpretation of individual church leaders. However, as you mentioned, most Christian sects (with the exception of a few like Baptists) view Eve as a
victim of Satan's trickery
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>>1961538I guess she’s a law student which is fucking crazy.
No. 1962038
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What the fuck is going with troony Jane and Ang now? Aparently naminepuppy is Ang in disguise, she pretended it was a "friend" helping her all this time kek
No. 1962043
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in a really weird way of tying the ang/mango stuff together, jane hates mango apparently? i didn’t go all in trying to figure out mango’s role in all this i just found it interesting she’s tied up in like every terminally online animation drama ever.
No. 1962054
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The absolute cope of realizing you've been lied to for several months by a schizo with aliens in her head
No. 1962070
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>>1962038Nah I dont biy this, Naminepuppy has been around in “proship” circles forever, years before the Ang drama. Used to go by a different name that I can’t remember, socialistpuppy or communistpuppy or something. Also has a personal account where they sell furry art and keychains. Ang is too dumb to properly hide her pedo art, she’s not smart enough to pull off a long con like this lol.
No. 1962078
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>>1962072Ang is 'dying' from chronic fatigue
>>1962059 and fibromyalgia so the 'EOL care' is probably done over Discord kek. Maybe the aliens Ang talks to told her she was going to die soon.
>>1962038James is an unreliable narrator and has a vendetta against Ang (and everyone in her circle). I wouldn't trust everything that he's saying. Also lol at James accusing naminepuppy of sexually harassment over a dumb comment. Seems like he gets off to the idea of women sexually abusing him because he's such a smol little twanswoman. He also accused his sisters of molesting him too.
No. 1962079
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>>1962078>He also accused his sisters of molesting him too.His 5 year old, severely autistic sister
No. 1962081
>>1962079KEK no fucking way a 5 yo would molest 10 yo male. He could just push her away. He is a lying a scrote as schizo as ang
Did anyone watch Ang's new video?? She goes on saying she never said she was dying and that she is going to be homeless soon and then she said she had an experience with psychdelics and she is now spiritual AND THEN that she discovered she's actually an alien who's been around forever and "Angela" is just her vessel in this cycle, and that the aliens have been watching the humans for years. No joke. Completely schizo stuff, no wonder she is always claiming she is dying and that will be homeless soon when she has rich suportive grandparents.
No. 1962082
>>1962078>>1962081God I hate scrotes so much, it's clearly so much fun for him to imagine being "sexually assaulted" (read: having sex) with his 5 year old sister.
>it's swept under the rug as me liking lolitranslation: no one believes your bullshit stories about little girls raping you because that's pedo 101. Blame the child you assaulted.
No. 1962083
>>1962038I hate this troons so fucking much. Ang is a cringe schizo autist, but harmless nonetheles, meanwhile this fucking troon has threatened to rape women, tried to cancel women for not babying his grown ass, used every single racial slur under the sun and still refuses to take accountability for it.
>>1962043Its hilarious how everyone involved in animation drama is always a shit artist that should spend less time engaging in twitter slapfights and more time grinding loomis.
No. 1962084
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>>1962082James also accused his own mother of molesting him and saving CP of him. I thought I was misremembering this but >>1962079's post reminded me to look through his deranged manifesto again kek. He never accused his father of sexually abusing him though. Guess he was able to fight him off with his dainty hands. Totally not a fetish, he just keeps getting molested by mean predatory AFAB persons for some reason.
No. 1962095
>>1962003Oh I'm aware of their pasts with how they started out. found out about Dumbsville because of his Sonic commentary and even then, I thought his content was shit-tier with a humor style I didn't find appealing at all. It was hilarious when it was learned that he was inspired to do those kind of videos because of Sonic93 (who had a weird but not surprising meltdown over a Sonic character) because his content didn't make me think of her videos at all.
I agree though that it's hilarious how anyone thinks they have any qualification to talk about art when they don't do it at all.
No. 1962096
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>>1962088He's ugly as shit and deeply jealous of real women.
No. 1962097
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>>1962088Picrel is the perceived attractive/cis-passing smol twanswoman btw. James is 5'3. He is a manlet but 5'3/5'4 is the average height of an American female. No woman who is 5'3 brags about being tiny.
>i am convinced he's pedo projecting onto ang.I am too, he has murder and rape fantasies and he's currently on Twitter begging Ang's followers to send him rape threats and accusing every woman who's criticizing him of sexually assault.
>>1962081>Completely schizo stuff, no wonder she is always claiming she is dying and that will be homeless soon when she has rich suportive grandparents.Yet her followers will still give her money kek.
No. 1962102
>>1962097Him spreading the lie of his 5yo sister molesting him is so fucking creepy. He's basically admitting to molesting his sister to everyone but pretending he's the poow
victim in the situation. He's just projecting his weird fetishes, like the feet thing, onto the women in his life. He should be locked up because its only a matter of time before he molested a little girl and tells the officers the 12yo was the one who touched them actually. Such a creep.
No. 1962106
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>>1962097Same anon, here's a compilation of James accusing women of wanting to rape or kill him, begging people to send him rape threats, and he also has femdom fetish and gets off on aggressive tall women harassing 5'3 manlets.
No. 1962112
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He's 22 and draws like this. This is his portfolio mind you, he's trying to get a job in the industry with this. I dont like ang, but i am sure this troon only backlisted her out of jealousy because she didnt engage in his femdom troon furry fetish and was probably creeped out by this gigahon talking about how his 5yo sister molested him. I feel like he probably sexually harassed ang too and its what drove her to insanity, considering he has a pattern of projecting his fetishes onto women and little girls i dont think its far-fetched.
No. 1962113
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>>1961753Jesus, even for Ang this is bleak. I knew her in college. I felt my heart sink when I saw this. She has truly lost her marbles.
No. 1962148
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>>1962106I think you’re onto something.
Why is he even posting shit like this, he’s sexually obsessed with her
No. 1962171
>>1962078>jane's a short small little transwoman 3 words that all mean the same thing. his fetish is so obvious, how can anyone believe he's telling the truth about anything?
>>1962148>>1962096this looks far more like him than ang
No. 1962202
>>1962113She's showing potential of becoming a Chris-Chan level entity.
>>1962148>>1962106>>1962038Claiming a trans identity really does let you get away with so much shit, it's not even funny.
No. 1962213
>>1962148>>1962106He has a deranged fetish and has loves tormentig a literal schizo living rent free in his head because he gets turned on by LARPing as a male rape
victim. On top of it all he barely hides any of this shit. Why are people listening to this troon clown?
Are there any links to NSFW accounts and content from this guy? I'll look it up when I can but I wouldn't be surprised if he got a list of kinks somewhere that all lined up with his rape fetishes.
No. 1962266
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lol
No. 1962271
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>>1962266Racist rapist tranny Janny has nuked his account
No. 1962272
lol he nuked his account
>>1962213>Are there any links to NSFW accounts and content from this guy?he's too busy larping as a smol twanswoman
victim of rape by the mean AFABs to draw.
No. 1962278
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Imagine being so fucking insane even twitter gendies are against you. He's so narcissistic he refuses to take accountability for the heinous racist things he has said, and instead tries to paint everyone else as a racist.
No. 1962287
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At least the majority of the comments on Angela's videos are people rightfully mocking her and questioning where the money went / ex supporters who've realized they've had the wool pulled over their eyes
No. 1962332
>>1962330The “polycule” she was dating (two mentally ill ftm girls) have abuse allegations against her too, but it’s funny, because Ang also alleges they were the
abusive ones (allegedly one of them raped her/ignored her “safe word”/bit her neck without her consent/whatnot)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/v8mhgmq8abn745k75lsxj/h?rlkey=46pf63o7tktud92ly8efbna0q&dl=0 No. 1962372
>>1962332I have no idea what the Dropbox is supposed to prove, I just see a bunch of vague shit about “abuse” (which could be anything, as
>>1962365 said) and some random out of context screenshots about ninja turtles smut.
No. 1962378
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>>1962372Sorry, I’ve been following the thing for a while so I’ll try to fill you in; Ang/Vee dated two ftms (stan and Aaron), they engaged on “rapeplay” where one of the girls kept going on even after Ang said no (it was rapeplay though what did you expect), allegedly kept biting Ang in the neck despite Ang refusing (screenshots say Ang went back on her word later on). One of the girl’s texts say Ang would get jealous of them, I guess feeling left out, and would throw herself on the floor, cry, scream, and bang her head against things. The girls got fed up and eventually left. The tumblr asks with the “Im sorry I’m scared” or whatever username is one of the girls confessing that Ang was apparently the
abusive one and that now they know everyone was right.
Tl;dr: a shitfest. Everyone’s stupid and I guess if you’re not/we’re not super invested on this from the start you’re not missing much.
Maybe someone has the drawings, but Ang would constantly post stuff like this. One of them was about how
abusive one of the poly gfs was because she brought her ice cream unprompted.
No. 1962413
>>1962378ayrt, thanks for the context anon. I’m actually surprised this was an IRL thing, these kind of people always seem too online/awkward to maintain a romantic relationship, let alone one with two other people lmao
>>1962382Where were their parents??
No. 1962752
>>1962737Nona this isn't FNAF, it's just a separate piece of media with similar robot designs
likely done deliberately as a cheap tactic to bait consoomer FNAF fans into watching it.
No. 1962970
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I cant wait for Panpizza, LS Mark and daftpina to release their pilots this year. They are going to be so laughably bad. Pan pizza's pilot already looks like its trying really hard to have quirky direction like monogatari, without understanding why monogatari works.
No. 1963036
>>1962970daft is mostly doing his for fun I don t think hes serious about trying to break into the industry which is why im more jntrested in pans and marks
pan s wasted alot of his life on his pilot and hes dead set on putting it on a n actual network shame because i think his is really interesting
idk what marks plan with his pilot is just looks like wannabe FOP
No. 1963042
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>>1963036daft's ilot looks the worst. Its also funny when smug 'better than you idiots' who tell artists to quit drawing are humbled. Friendly reminder he is(was?) helping pan rewrite his pilot, as if he has any kind of experience.
No. 1963197
>>1963151At best this is going to be an Incredibles 2 situation where it's fine enough but unnecessary overall. However given current DreamWorks isn't anything like old DreamWorks I feel like this might be almost unrecognizable compared to the original and a trashfire. Smug expressions, badly written "sass", probably some stupid forced breakup or liar/misunderstanding revealed storyline somehow shoved in there about how the girl "can't actually love him because he is too different" but comes around again because of his "good heart" because they never know what to do with women in sequels, especially if at any point her lesson was originally to learn to love a guy past his looks. Then she's doomed to repeat that "lesson" over and over.
There's a reason they never made a sequel before now even if it was popular enough for it, it ended to perfectly and the character arcs all wrapped up well.
No. 1963210
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>>1962085You know, I think she is lurking because her video was posted onto auresscosplay’s thread 6 days ago.
No. 1963225
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>>1963205honestly that's barely an excuse when this masterpiece exists and came out for the same reason
yeah it wasn't the same scale of animation as the original movie, but it scaled down in a way that kept it overall looking nice. meanwhile the megamind trailer actually looks like ass and has issues throughout. also iirc, the stitch movie promo made it clear it was a tv movie/pilot wheras it's blink and you miss it for this one
>>1963210kek
No. 1963400
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>>1963330>>1963384I read the first two and last two chapters of Pan's comic, and it's not very good. The art would be fine if It was just illustrations, but in motion, the characters move like they're underwater(awkward and slow). Additionally, it's hard to differentiate between IRLs and the organics(the humans are multi-colored in this world), and the story doesn't have a strong foundation for a good plot.
No. 1963458
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Has anyone seen this? It was shared by Musk so idk how accurate it is
No. 1963578
>>1963564It depends on the specific film being made. If you have a film set in Medieval England, it wouldn't make sense for 25% of the cast to be from 'unrepresented groups' (by American standards). Also, the fact of the matter is that everyone who writes this stuff is already from a wealthy background, I'd prefer good writers over anything, and I'm a "
POC"(I really do hate that) as well, just not a moron who wants to be treated like a child.
No. 1963766
>>1963578Fellow
POC and I understand you anon. It's the reason why I hate when people bitch and moan about when a
POC character is voiced by a white person like Diane from Bojack Horseman or that one guy who voiced Cleveland in Family Guy before they re-cast him. The talent should speak for itself regardless if it's made by a
POC or not. Is it nice when
POC make media? Absolutely but just make it good and stop focusing on he "representation".
No. 1964355
Vee posted more videos. I'm sorry I don't know how to upload videos, can someone do that?
They're on YouTube:
more alien dancing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KSu6ARnFqga poem and more about her health:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO-kjh3F7TYi thought she was supposed to be homeless by now, she looks like a nice house with lots of stuff behind her…
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Have you guys seen this small time animation studio on TikTok? They've been posting about their big series they're gonna make. Honestly,I'm excited for them. Wish I had the nerve to do something like this but also I'm worried it's gonna be filled to the brim with cringe gendie crap.
No. 1964383
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>>1964374>>1964378Why does every animation need to be a comedy now? absolutely bleak western animation is not worth anything anymore.
No. 1964392
>>1964374I saw this when it was an episode of ST:TNG called "Remember Be" when Dr. Crusher was trapped in warp bubble, but she didn't know it, and as the warp bubble shrank, people and then the universe started disappearing.
And, then, again, when Catra created a slowly decaying portal world in the episode "Remember".
All in all, I think I prefer the action version of this trope.
No. 1964424
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>>1964418Everyone involved with this is an extremely mediocre artist with more reaction images to art ratio in their twitters, so its bound to be milky. I genuinely dont understand why people that draw like this want to create animation, they clearly dont love art enough to get good at it. Its going to flop real hard if it ever comes out.
No. 1964448
>>1964424> they clearly dont love art enough to get good at it.I think it's not about the art for them, they are actually dreaming of one day getting to a position similar to Viv's and getting attention and praise for making a shitty show with their OCs one day. With these flakes it's all about attention and mental gymnastics.
>trans Dipper fanartOh for FUCKS sake when will that awful headcanon fucking die out?
No. 1964664
>>1964374this is all pendleton ward's fault
>>1964424the backgrounds dont look too bad, but the dude next to trans dipper and the pseudo owl house art style look so bad
No. 1964905
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>>1964424jfc how can you fuck up lineart and coloring this bad…
No. 1965069
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Pan tweeted this. I hope he doesn't become a drama whore now that he has a drama whore TIF gf. It's a really, really bad idea to get twitch trannies against you when you are trying to get into the animation industry, which is filled by commies troons.
No. 1965227
>>1965069his gf is in the comments hyping him up
i sense shes pushing him that way
No. 1965672
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In a crossover with the anime thread on /m/, Jelloapocalypse, creator of Epithet Erased, got hired to write the script for the new Lovely Complex anime dub. He wrote a long, incredibly embarrassing post on patreon (archived here->
http://web.archive.org/web/20240211065805/patreon.com/posts/98245655) bragging about making extensive changes to the script, such as having the main characters validate the trap characters gender identity and portraying the female lead as an
abusive psychopath because he has a weird hateboner for her. In the now-deleted post he also makes a bunch of personal attacks towards the mangaka, goes on about how the tranny voice actors they hired are sooo much better than the Japanese VAs and strokes himself off about what a great writer he is (again, this is the guy who wrote epithet erased).
The production company has issued a statement cutting ties with him
https://nitter.esmailelbob.xyz/worldofcrap/status/1757133511130243439it seems he may have exaggerated his role in the localization, as people have posted clips where changes he claims to have made do not appear
https://nitter.rawbit.ninja/TheToadKing/status/1757155280163307883?s=19 No. 1965680
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>>1965679he's horrible about the female mangaka who created the comic the show is based on as well. absolute moid moment
No. 1965789
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>>1965672the localizers takeaway from this whole thing is basically "ugh he's giving cHuDs fuel, in the future don't talk about this publically but definitely keep doing it"
No. 1965800
>>1955712Reminder that Mark admitted in a video after that podcast episode release that he was trying to get in Butch's office just so he could harass him and make fun of him. He tried emailing Butch and then got his wife to email him, made up a fake podcast, came up with ideas with his wife to piss off Butch while driving to his office, and spent $2,000 to do all of this only to "back out" because Mark bitched out when Butch's wife showed up to meet him and Veronica.
Mark's a little creep.
No. 1965872
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>>1965672>moid with a scat fetish telling a woman their work is shitmaybe in his derranged coomer brain that's a compliment
No. 1966095
>>1965800mark is a weirdo and idk why people dont see it
I think its because its against Butch they think its fine?
No. 1966225
>>1966220These perplex me just like the boxtown one. If you want to make your own show independently, why go the industry style route? What do you offer that whatever is on cartoon network or adult swim doesn't?
It's tiresome to bring vivzie again and again but her stuff is complete opposite of what's on tv and that's why people gravitate toward it so much
No. 1966879
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>>1966243I think you might've jinxed it…
No. 1966905
>>1966879if I was trying to produce/fund a project and this was the extent of the critique for it I was seeing, I'd be stoked. It's so mild, and it gives fair enough points that could help you improve your project (even if it's just to clear up potential confusion to better your pitch- no one should be asking things like why it's in a high school setting and the project should have been clearer on what 'magical girl ala sailor moon' actually means for the story and visuals). Hell, a lot of people like it when creators address concerns or criticisms during development, and none of these would even require you to actually change anything about your ~vision~
I've gotten worse comments from randos on fanart than this kek, just ignore it if you disagree with it so much
No. 1967056
>>1966879I'm getting flashbacks to ValiDate with the reaction to this. It doesn't matter if the critique is from within "the community" (queer™
POC™) or not, everything is unfair and motivated by hate.
No. 1967438
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>>1966879It's kind of crazy to think that a decade back responding to criticism like this was a massive NO-NO and you would be placed right next to Tom Preston for it.
I noticed this behavior being rampant in recent times where no one can respond to criticism appropriately- especially in tiktok. It's not just zoomers but people in various age groups acting like minature Tom Prestons. And so its no wonder they create the same tired, cal arts shit featuring the same black girl MC who is a lesbian etc. etc.
No. 1967455
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>>1966220I know I sound super retarded and ignorant but does it really cost that much to make some unoriginal,
ugly bean mouth Craig Of The Creek style garbage?wow just wow I expect the budget being $25,000 or less but damn that's nearly $100,000 for something that's not even visually appealing.
No. 1968200
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>>1968186I'm not sure if it's the stilted animation or the way they've chosen to animate the lip-syncing but it feels like a slightly more advanced Clutch Cargo kek
No. 1968268
>>1968186This looks so bad
The old ass original show looks better. Hopefully this shit flips hard.
No. 1968466
File: 1708550064990.png (Spoiler Image,1.39 MB, 479x2018, image (11).png)
>>1968261Spoiler because huge examples in picrel
I think the creators from yesterday, I really dig the styles of mike judge, genndy tartakovsky, David fess and even Powercouple Mccracken + Faust. But I think the best one is Tartakovsky, he is really good not only as an artist mas a film maker. I really loved the more "conceptual" Dexter episodes and primal is super cool to watch
No. 1968487
File: 1708556054869.png (440.06 KB, 598x1137, More Slapfights.png)
This cartoon is never gonna be fully funded is it…
No. 1968630
>>1968600Right, but I'm wondering how many people in the target demographic actually watch the shows.
I'm guessing the number is small because most people who identify as "queer" don't watch cartoons that much, and if they do, they're probably not watching cartoons like Wheels & Roses.
No. 1968657
>>1968631Latino is a broad nationality, like asian or european. There are latinos of all racial backgrounds. Black latinos and Brown latinos are Black latinos and Brown latinos, since Brown is another broad term.
And hispanic is an ethnicity, they are descedent of Spaniards. Spaniards are hispanic but not latinos, brazillian are latinos but not hispanic. Someone can be japanese latino, arab latino, white latino, Black latino, indgenous latino etc the only requirement is to be born in here latam (or be a descedent of someone from a latam country if you are a child of immigrants in 1st world countries)
Hope this helps
(derailing) No. 1968666
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>>1968657Right, "Gringoland" always thinks latin-america is only mexico fellow nonna.
(derailing, no sage) No. 1968761
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>>1968640ah, no one then. Maybe pan, and even he is pretty mid considering he's the oldest, has an art degree and has been drawing since he was a kid. Pic rel is lsmark's art, he can only trace and heavily reference. I am a bit salty because if i had a cushy job of pumping out shitty boring videos like him and making bank off it i would spend all my day drawing and grinding fundies. I hate how no one outside of pan appreciates art in the cartoon community.
No. 1968764
File: 1708616714043.jpg (93.62 KB, 1002x1067, loona.jpg)
>>1968761kek sorry it makes me really mad this guy is so bad
No. 1968805
File: 1708623356178.png (26.82 KB, 593x415, 1708582056492839.png)
Anyone keeping up with monkey wrench? It's so boring, but its creator is getting weirdly whiny. He just can't fathom his show is not that interesting
No. 1968851
>>1966879>>1968487These are nice, encouraging comments. If this is how they react to random comments from their potential audience, god knows how they're going to handle animating a show with other glass-boned paper-skinned folx. This is going to get milky whether or not they get funded.
>>1968761>that lineworkHow can someone be this bad at tracing?
No. 1968876
>>1968805Seriously?
another entitled indie animator?damm anon is right,western animators are getting sooo pathetically whiny and condescending it's unfunny and just obnoxious.its getting old if no one likes your shit cartoon just get over it and grow a pair already damn I actually liked Monkey Wrench except for Shriek because he's also unfunny and annoying as fuck I guess not anymore since Zeurel is acting like a big man baby now.Tracy Butler (Lackadaisy)is probably the only one who's professional in the indie animation industry.
No. 1968898
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>>1968876*Shrike,I misspelled his name but yeah, again,he's annoying and unfunny and makes the show a pain in the neck to watch.I think he's Zeurel's self insert idk.
No. 1968966
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>>1968958The plush is even uglier lol
No. 1969376
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>>1969331how many fetishes do you think goosetranny will add?
No. 1969521
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Not sure where to put this. I really want to know why Bryan and Michael left the live action adaptation of ATLA because it doesn’t seem like it departed much from the original cartoon, especially not in ways they would have hated (a lot of Kyoshi emphasis)
No. 1969541
>>1969376>>1969372I’m not a Viziepop fan, but at least she tries to market for her adult audience/tries not to involve kids with her content.
It’s so fucking weird that most of Goose’s kink stuff is recent and he doesn’t get shit compared to Vizie who publicized her shit back in 2016.
like, the most disgusting thing I’ve seen recently were a bunch of guys justifying his art of mutilated women as just “adult doing adult things”. Vizie gets so much more hate despite not publicizing her guro art- and you know Goose get off on his high horse for getting away with it
No. 1969644
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>>1969331You would have to be fully, certifiably retarded to buy this.
No. 1969650
>>1968972The pilot starts out with a prologue that tells about a war between titans which sounds cool. all I could think about is that I would rather watch a cartoon about that. Not every story needs to be an epic with gods but still. Don't add epic-like lore of you want to make a laid back cartoon. I know they are breadcruming a finale where they battle a titan and it will probably turn out that the kids are titans themselves but it was still jarring that the prologue was so different from the rest of the pilot.
The animation was good considering this is an indie project. I expected it would be super inconsistent like Ok Ko or Steven universe but the character where on model all of the time but that is a lowbar.
Is it me or was there a lack of atmosphere? I feel like older cartoon shorts would use shadows and contrasting colors to create an atmosphere but it feels like there is a lack of an artistic vision here. There is a very short scene in the beginning where they battle a sea monster during a storm, and you can see the storm but you don't
feel the intensity of it because the atmosphere isn't there.
The world is also kinda meh. There is a talking birdlady but it didn't feel whimsical or quaint. I felt no desire to explore the world it's probably becauae the show doesn't have any atmosphere.
The plot felt like a fetch quest
>go to A>talk to B>go to C>go back to A and talk to BI wish they had made a pilot about the titan war instead lolI don't get the boy character. Who does he appeal to? Children don't like hyperactive childish characters.
I don't get the crab character either. It looks and acts like it was designed to be made into merch but isn't the point of going indie that you don't have to deal with corporate bullshit that forces you to add marketable elements?
Idk. Despite me ranting I can see this gain a following and it looks like there where effort put into this so I do hope they succeed even if it's not my cup of tea
No. 1969653
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>>1968972Absolutely boring Animal Crossing regurgitated Steven Universe sludge. Very beautiful and cleaned up lines on this sludge! But pointless pilot. The creators worked on We Bare Bears and it shows.
Great quality background and character models, absolutely nothing interesting happening up-top though. There's a town of animals with triangle-nosed human characters that use fishing poles, it's literally Animal Crossing fanfiction plus Inuyasha "we gotta collect the crystal shards!" plot device. One of the creator's website
https://www.ashley-odell.com/illustration No. 1969725
>>1969650>I don't get the boy character. Who does he appeal to? Children don't like hyperactive childish characters.>I don't get the crab character either.I only watched the first minute because I hated it, but the feckless, energetic boy with the exotic pet on his head, paired with a competent girl, reminded me of Kim Possible,
Ron and Rufus.
No. 1969858
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>>1969782You can tell that the creator came up with the vore fetish scene first and then had to write the rest of the plot to justify it
No. 1969881
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>>196848780% of the way there with 4 days left. Maybe they'll make it.
No. 1970046
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>>1969541He's such a disgusting troon. I hate him so fucking much. He has this moid roidpig character(ofcourse the only moid he draws) and he has drawn tons of disgusting misogynistic stuff of his ''fem version''. He's so sexist and disgusting, ofcourse he has to be a troon. But ofcourse handmaidens will suck his microdick and defend him as a true and honest woman. It's so funny how he has the most straigth moid art, but since he's a tranny he doesn't get flack for it.
No. 1970100
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>>1969858Considering this is the guy who made it… it wouldn't surprise me…
No. 1971019
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Seems Glitch Productions has been getting heat because they pulled a Boxtown and replaced one of their Voice Actors without telling them…
No. 1971202
File: 1709239884025.png (310.23 KB, 816x855, wheelsRoses2.PNG)
>>1971040They pulled through after something called the Forward Funds chipped in.
No. 1971256
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>>1971202forward funds are charities/non-profit. Kickstarters can nominate themselves for it. Can't wait to see this slop come out kek.
No. 1971284
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Statement from Celeste just released (1/2)
No. 1971328
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>>1971284response from Jeffrey "jasmine" yang
No. 1971941
>>1971771This. This is what we need more of, not yet another calarts blob but something with unique animation. The story is nothing good, it's fairly weak, but the style makes it stand out amongst the sea of ''queer
POC naruto sailor moon craig of the creek'' pilots that flood youtube.
No. 1971990
>>1968487God I really fucking hate this 'QUEER REPRESENTATION MATTEEERSUUH" and the fucking SAILOR MOON this and SAILOR MOON that, they never watched any actual anime aside of sailor moon when they were 10 on TV.
Also I bet my ass it has NOTHING to do with sailor moon other than the transformation trope and the "girls lead cast!!"
No. 1972041
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>>1971202>>1971990Pearl is also a huge Cardcaptor Sakura fan; you know, the magical girl show where a 13 year old is engaged to her 30 year old teacher?
No. 1972342
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>>1972269From what I've heard from Japanese friends, it's rare but not unheard of and people still think it's weird and I doubt most people think it's appropriate content for a children's show to feature not once but twice; the protagonist's own mother also married her teacher and dies young, it's implied because of having children at such a young age. Even if it were common, culture is often just another word for patriarchy. I just think this show has some gross af vibes and I judge people who are still obsessed with it into adulthood beyond just nostalgia.
Sage for blogging off topic
No. 1972463
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>>1972348Fun fact:The Nelvana dub (recorded in canada)becomes Sakura parents in "college students" and the entire "relation" between Terada & Rika was left out (obviusly).
Also Meiling is not longer Syaoran cousin but ironically Yamazaki & Chiharu has becoming cousins in this dub!
No. 1972521
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>>1972498Mizuki taught Touya in the 8th grade and they hit it off. She left his ass cause she knew Yukito was the one for him.
No. 1972582
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>>1972467It actually happens 4 times, cause Mizuki's main love interest is another 12 year old boy. like yeah Japanese society has some cultural baggage.
No. 1972658
>>1972582it makes me laugh when hyperal liberal westoids bend themselves into a pretzel to justify why liking anime is ok and totally not
problematic when stuff like this is dime a dozen in even the most inoffensive looking shojos and anime for children. The type of people that would cancel Aang for her degeneracy also being into animu is so fucking funny to me.
No. 1972935
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>>1972852>>1972870The specific Japanese Marxists who talked about the birth allegory was Samezō Kuruma, as for Japanese feminists it's a bit complicated, so the most prominent Japanese feminist you'll hear about is Chizuko Ueno, whose writings are widely accessible both in Japan and the West. However, she aligns herself with a very standard queer theory perspective, her views are quite similar to the LDP, as she believes that any offensive or obscene content should be allowed to be published, including texts that deny the mass rape of Korean women. she did not write it but she supported its publication. also she has a "west bad" bias and blames the root of Japan's problems to Western influence.
The few decent Japanese feminists are very few and far between. Probably the closest modern one I can think of is Mitsu Tanaka. The others are from the early 20th century, like Kaneko Fumiko, who tried to assassinate the royal family.
(derailing) No. 1973345
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Glitch's CEO Kevin finally released a statement a few days ago.
No. 1975598
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>>1975567The upcoming blade movie is going to be shite isn't it.
No. 1975603
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>>1975337While not as popular, Gakuen Alice had it too. Someone leash these writers, please.
No. 1975720
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sage for no currently no milk, but I swear Ian Jones will get caught in some sort of controversy, he's such an obvious coomer and it jumps out in every aspect of his work.
No. 1975828
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Absolute fucking state of the Industry,
No. 1975887
>>1975864I'm pretty sure OKKO was a 52-episode case. Basically networks commission exactly 52 episodes in order to license the show for reruns on other channels. This is how we ended up with some experimental shows like Rocko's Modern Life and Ren and Stimpy. but also the popular action shows of the 2000's like Teen Titans and Kim Possible.
So, in those 52 episodes, he and his team could have told whatever story they wanted and they chose to indulge their fetishes.
No. 1975893
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>>1975864Bizaretly this shit had so many crossover specials. (Probably the CN show with most officials animated crossover specials ever?).
I don't know why.
No. 1975900
>>1975893see
>>1975887 basically they could do whatever they wanted.
No. 1975925
>>1975893This
>>1975887 or maybe CN was expecting OKKO to be their next Ben 10. My guess is that Ian's Something Awful/Studio Yotta/Newgrounds connections helped him out. That would explain the Sonic crossover.
No. 1976063
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>>1976040Also no Shaggy & Scooby (or Scrappy) in this special…
No. 1976254
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It's wild looking at this picture. It unintentionally shows how homogenized animation and character designs have become.
No. 1976262
>>1975864Amusingly it was a lot better show than Steven Universe. The art style and Cartoon Network not promoting it made it die.
>>1975887>>1975925They were apparently expecting more episodes and had to rush the ending, I'm not sure it was a hard 52 episode contract.
No. 1976264
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>>1976040wtf I didn’t know that, I loved scooby doo and the ghoul school growing up but of course moids had to ruin it with their degeneracy. Also the girls look retarded with that art style, most of their designs are slender and sharp looking and here they’re reduced to more ugly round calarts blobs
No. 1976976
>>1976974kek thats the shitty pilot lsmark's wife was mocking on the leaked dms. this
>>1963042is what we missed on, truly a sad day for western animation.
No. 1976980
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kek the leaked designs at the top versus the ''better'' final designs at the bottom. This guy needs someone to hit him with a loomis book.
No. 1977004
>>1969331I hate TADC but I thought the rest of the episodes would focus the main characters (Ragatha,Jax,etc)
I guess not.literally who asked for more characters?did we really need more?8 characters is enough and its lame we won't be getting a Ragatha centered episode or a Gangle one for example because Greaseworx shitted the chances of getting one.among those new characters is more furry bait.how lame the cast is already bloated as it is.
No. 1977035
>>1976469It also had fluid animation from time to time. The simplistic style was reminescent of doodles anyone would scribble on their notebooks etc.
However cartoons afterwards have taken the weakest aspects of Adventure Time to make calarts blobs. And it works for the industry since they can hire people with less skill and cut down staff numbers.
No. 1977368
>>1976254Fuck seeing all these cartoons compiled together by generation, I'm sorry
>>1976396 but I'll be the boomer kek. As someone who grew up with Gen 1 and Gen 2, cartoon design was a lot better back then, I loved the variety. Don't get me wrong, Gen 3 had some neat looking cartoons, I personally enjoyed the art styles for Regular Show, Generator Rex, and Sym-Bionic Titan but all the other cartoons just didn't look all that appealing to me personally
I just miss the variety, a lot of the modern cartoons tend to blend together and lack the "character" that was once had.
No. 1978637
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looks like LSMark is sharing a clip of his cartoon.
No. 1978679
>>1978637Yawnnnn, I'm gonna spergout here:I hope it fails miserably we've seen the comedic talking animals shit a billion times what exactly makes his project worth caring about? honestly even the name of it sucks ass why would I watch something called "Rob & Clay" lamee
>>1976974I'm glad he cancelled it.it looks boring and unoriginal as fuck.
No. 1978755
File: 1711080673737.mp4 (1.31 MB, 1280x720, [24-03-21] 1770914576139522456…)
>>1978637He uploaded it. Holy shit the mouse has such an annoying voice, he sounds like a kid despite being in his teens. He also changed the name of his pilot from Rob & Clay to Catching Up!
No. 1978757
>>1978755as a loner myself i dig the loser getting out of his shell concept but i don't trust a youtuber with executing it decently, even less if it's the ls mark. are the characters really rivals like the original tom & jerry?
>>1978752don't know much about either concept other than what i've seen in these threads, but i prefer this generic concept over "what if we could BANG cartoons IRL?????2222"
No. 1978758
>>1978756He's too young, talentless and terminally online to have any creative idea worth animating. Izzzyzzz is also making a coming of age pilot with furfag characters. These people need to go out, experience life, watch more movies and read books to develop some sort of personality then they can try creating something more interesting.
>>1978757There are thousands of anime, manga, books, and movies with this exact same concept that look and are executed better. Go watch bocchi the rock or submarine. There is no need for yet another shitty unoriginal pilot to stroke the ego of a hack yotuber who's going to become irrelevant in 5 years.
No. 1978777
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>>1978767I mean the animation itself was very good but it was 80% gratuitous ass and titties and bbw fetish. it's not surprising the woman website didn't gravitate toward it.
picrel: you don't say
No. 1978778
>>19787731-learn to sage
2-ditch the libfem bullshit, it's coom
No. 1978781
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>>1978776>>1978778>>1978777Trust me, I am absolutely opposed to libfem rhetoric but I also don’t scream and shout “AHHH COOM!” at anything that has to do with showing the female form in a suggestive manner. And many of the comments under the video seem to agree. The user bovinearrogance said it well Because of the art style being so cartoony and exaggerated, I get more adult Betty Boop vibes from the animation rather than anything c00mer. And at least this is obviously targeted towards an adult audience where it’s okay to make suggestive humor like this, rather than something grotesque like VivziePop or Goosework that proclaim they make “adult work” yet they use they use art styles that appeal to children to talk about gross degenerate stuff children should be nowhere near talking about. With an animation like Missing Marmalade, at least I can look at it and see that it is blatantly meant for older audiences and no underlying pedo psy-op meant to allure children
(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE) No. 1978791
>>1978784So you basically just attack my (
valid) points on it being an adult cartoon entitled to make its suggestive humor, yet I notice you failed to make a proper rebuttal towards the other points I mention, that despite it being an adult cartoon it’s still nowhere near as insidious as something VivziePop or Gooseworx would make. May I ask why that is?
No. 1978793
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>>1978791I genuinely dont understand why you are WK that animation so hard, the only difference between it and hazbin hotel is that(as far as i know) hazbin hotel doesnt have gratuitous female ass and tits. Considering you are an obvious newfag i am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you must also be underage, so i will break it to you, men have been cooming to retarded grotesque cartoony caricatures of women since forever. If the animator was female i would give it the benefit of the doubt, but it's a moid. Anyways, this site is for adults to go back to tiktok.
No. 1978797
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>>1978793See, and now this is where your absolute retardation peaks through.
There was no scrote who produced the animation, it was all done by a woman. “James Nutting” is obviously just a credits joke they inserted to give the audience a laugh, only someone absolutely retarded could not get the gist of that.
And oh boy. Even your pwecious fujofag Vivzie makes pinup art, and arguably it’s even worse considering that she makes her pinup art centered around demon trannies and furries like Sally May and Luna. ITT there are already pictures of Vivzie making pinup of Sally May her tranny demon character. And it only goes further and further down the rabbit hole of degeneracy considering the fact that her art style caters towards early Y2K Deviantart and Tumblr emo kid art style, an art style that allures lots of art kids. Which is an absolute pedo psy-op.
You’re telling me that an adult animation with human women drawn with curvy bodies which, duh, women naturally HAVE somehow does more damage than some fujofag’s demented c00mer furry and tranny shit that she pumps out and accrues a huge following of young kids with? Maybe you and your extra chromosome need some time to process how much you’ve missed the mark
No. 1978809
File: 1711094945774.png (1.94 MB, 1481x1900, totes not coom you guyz.png)
>newfag sperging and claiming vivzie is a pedophile psyoping kids for having a show with swear words in it
>while claiming this is totes not degrading and coom you guyz burlesque is ART and there is nothing wrong with this being easily available to kids on youtube!
we havent had this level of lunacy since the jhonen vasquez furfag
No. 1978835
File: 1711107291760.mp4 (2.56 MB, 854x480, gBoykeP.mp4)
This is why SpongeBob should have ended
No. 1978838
>>1978799kek nta and no horse in the race but are you really trying to say vivzie ISNT a fujofag?
>>1978835this is unrecognisable. excellent example as to why animators need no-no sheets
No. 1978957
>>1978873I dont even like vivzie but i watched
>>1978808 out fo curiosity and not only is it age restricted, but it's literally just swear words, it doesnt have 10 minutes of women twerking and stripping like the coom cartoon. If you think furfags swearing is somehow worse than 10 fucking minutes of coom disguised as art then i don't know what to tell you, you might be the queen of pickmes.
No. 1979025
>>1978809this looks so gross, men really only live and die for the coom
>>1978835this is something i'd see on cartoon network during the early 2010s
No. 1979206
>>1978637>>1978755Oh dear lord, the person voicing the mouse is McKenzie Atwood. She did a bunch of those cringe Steven Universe memes and did the Steven Universe podcast eps with Sugar and the rest of the crew when it was ending.
I remember she also defended AwestruckVox when he sperged out on twitter over a make a wish kid for being able to see episodes earlier than anyone else and bullied the child into apologizing for something he started
No. 1980524
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>>1980517>Stephen CurryRandom black NBA star
>Normal LearNow dead 101 year old white dude who made the original All in the Family
>Seth MacFarlaneJust the man you'd want as executive producer for a black-oriented show
>Ranada Shepard (not pictured, showrunner)A black woman who's only ever been a producer before, this is her first showrunning gig. Her credits include 10 eps of "born again virgin" (2015), 8 eps "Connecting…" (2020), and 1 episode of "act your age" (2023).
I think this is going to be a recipe for disaster, not to mention it's ugly (but so's everything nowadays)
No. 1980530
>>1980517Seth MacFarlane making an edgy Cleveland Show using the name of a incredibly outdated show, groundbreaking! I don't think it's that ugly looking
(probably because I grew up on shit like the Flaming Thongs and Dirtgirlworld so I'm more lenient) but it's really muddy in a lot of shots and just looks unenjoyable to watch.
No. 1980553
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I don't give a hoo-haa about Invincible but I find the performative "hatred" against this character, Anissa (a super stronk woman who raped the male protagonist and naming "their" rape baby after him, kek) to be pretty amusing. Oh yeah, she is soooo hated—what a vile woman and yet…
No. 1980554
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>>1980553…make thumbnails like these.
No. 1980628
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Do you guys still care about the mandelbrot high thingy? (pretty sure it was posted in one of these threads, this one or a previous one)
they added several troon characters since the span of when i first heard about them on this site, kek
No. 1980715
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>>1978767>>1978781>>1978797>>1978809I'm late to the party but holy shit lmao I want to rant
Nona (the one I'm assuming who posted the cartoon and defends it), I get what you're saying and I agree that the cartoon is great in almost every aspect, but it's yet another wasted talent. I'm not sure how you cannot see the blatant coomery poisoning the film. I also don't see how burlesque is supposed to be targeted towards female audiences when it was just an old-school coomery for moids, and yes, I am aware that the point of the art form is mockery. You should ask yourself, however, why the idea of a mockery is hypersexualized, pornified women. Same goes to drag, by the way, I believe it's from the same category, neo-burlesque for gay men if you will, but I digress, it belongs in a different thread. The cartoon is really uncomfortable to watch, it's not erotic, it's not suggestive, it's a blatant male gaze and soft-core porn. If it was supposed to be a joke (a mockery of a mockery?), then it completely failed to deliver because it's not different from
>>1978793 >>1978829 levels of coom.
>There was no scrote who produced the animation, it was all done by a woman. “James Nutting” is obviously just a credits joke they inserted to give the audience a laugh, only someone absolutely retarded could not get the gist of that. Picrel is one of the first results I got from googling the name. Even if it is a joke, it's still made by a man.
No. 1981251
>>1980517Netflix is officially worse than YouTube. I would rather watch sillypoo via the ludoveco technique for hours that voluntarily watch this ever. I would come out a better person after.
Side note wtf is this weird 2-D animation that still manages to look jointly and stiff like bad 3d render? It boggles my mind how expensive but cheap this looks a true shiny turd.
No. 1981358
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>>1981233>>1981254Characters having panic attacks is a trope in animation at this point, it's so common. Are we supposed to find it relatable?
No. 1981361
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>>1981358I think it's supposed to humanise the character, but it's really annoying after the first time and always gets solved by the power of friendship so it's just stupid. What I'm saying it's not really new to Spiderman so it doesn't come off as that cringe to me because it's not randomly shoehored in and has always been a significant part of the franchise. The portrayal is still annoying as fuck but again, I think this is just a mordenised version of pretty standard stuff for SM
No. 1981649
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Why is this show so ugly? Gonna be honest invincible is ugly too. I like the show a lot but damn. These mock anime style shows lately have been weird looking. I always thought anime looked good because they didn't shy away from shading and used expensive animation sparingly but that hasn't seemed to help. I guess I'm just wondering why they look so lackluster. I feel like action cartoons in the early 00's looked better which is weird because technology has advanced significantly and it's easier to become a skilled artist these days. It's not even just shows trying to mimic the look of anime that look worse but kids shows too. Compare the animation quality in the original Ben 10 to the animation quality in the new reboot. Is anyone working in animation or anything? What's the reason? Like Avatar the Last Airbender looks great even by today's standards but My Adventures with Superman looks so awkward. A lot of DC animated stuff looks kinda lacking though.
No. 1981808
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Hey I'm going to sage this because this isn't really milk.
But I must genuinely ask this, to anyone ITT who might happen to work or have worked for the animation industry, how can you find a way to get in?
I didn't necessarily go to an art school but I had a Fine Arts major at the uni I went to and also the fact that I'm pretty good at drawing. What are some ways that I could get into animation with the experience I have?
I know that this thread has black pilled me from time to time about ever stepping foot in the animation industry, but honestly I can't help it. I got dreams. So is there a way for a person with my experience to get in?(not milk)
No. 1981920
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>>1981649I think part of it is due to how flat the backgrounds are. The Legend of Korra was animated by the same studio as My Adventures with Superman (Studio Mir), but imo it looks way better despite being in a similar style because the backgrounds are actually detailed.
No. 1982187
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>>1982061Actual screencaps from the show do still have detailed, painted backgrounds, though, especially when compared to the Superman show.
No. 1982210
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>>1982183I loved the puppetry for the April fools joke, especially how they used a different studio for each episode
No. 1982337
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>>1981649I want to say it's because everything uses puppet rigging and that 3D-rendered-as-2D type of animation now instead of hand drawn animation. You can make more detailed looking shows for cheaper, but at the cost of making everything limited and kind of stiff. The movement and timing isn't organic anymore because it's controlled by a computer. The characters are just cut-and-paste features tethered to a skeleton. It feels like producers saw picrel and thought it was a great technique to adapt.
No. 1982379
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>>1980520Yeah, a while back, this Make-a-Wish kid had gotten their wish to meet Rebecca Sugar and the people who work on Steven Universe. The kid was given access to see some big episode and this kid was giving little tidbits about the episode (they were given the okay by the crew and Sugar to do so).
While this was happening, a Steven Universe youtuber by the name of AwestruckVox was sperging out because this kid was leaking info out and he wasn't. So he went on a whole crusade shit talking the child and claiming she used her cancer as a way to guilt them into showing them the eps early. They were all at Momocon when it happened.
The crew from SU and even the VAs collectively shat on Vox while he claimed that his youtube channel was a love letter to the show and was called a hypocrite for hating that this kid had info he didn't.
Katwood would go on twitter and start defending Vox saying that he doesn't know any better and that he's "only 19 and still learning" and got shit for it as well.
The whole thing ended with the child having to be the adult and apologizing for all this happening. Youtubers and cartoon reviewers amirite?
No. 1982418
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More Monkey Wrench stuff coming, I guess when your show is failing might as well make merch of one of your characters with a pride flag to see if that attracts an audience
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVXYr7yCUsfamWMf1N1qRJQ/community?lb=UgkxCAPcA8ith_aEjsq1djoImYNkpaec7R6r No. 1982435
>>1982418>coming to step on youDoes he not realize that his character designs are too ugly to pull a significant coomer fanbase or what?
>>1982432Aroace, apparently.
No. 1982530
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>>1982299>>1982312the obsessive hate people have for her is so funny. some tumblr retard was claiming to have been gang raped for disliking hazbin hotel the other day, lmfao
https://www.tumblr.com/flower-boi16/745679450041139200/the-stars-in-my-head No. 1982538
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>>1982530and it's a troon too kek
No. 1982591
>>1982575i didn't believe this from the start bc very convenient that the known HH hater would get raped by HH fans in an incident that almost justifies their hatred, you'd think that someone that shares an interest with others would end up victimized by them bc they'd be together often like meetups and clubs or smtg. also, ofc a
victim of a gang rape rather than mentally and physically recovering and sorting out legal stuff would login to tunglr.com to post smtg about a show with a faggy spider and sparkledogs
No. 1982620
>>1982608>vivzie is a degenerate rape-fetishizing fujoshi faghag and users on this Western Animation thread had always agreed upon this>one random autistic troll on Tumblr happens to take hating Hazbin Hotel too far>Lolcow Users now: Vivzie is a feminist martyr and she died for our sins!!1!
>Lolcow's user base just so happens to also be 95% fujoshi femcoomersHmm makes all the sense in the world
(infighting) No. 1982745
>>1982530A troon with a fetish, and a horde of zoomers with no life experience, who have no idea what nazis or rapists are, the kind to send their nudes to their "rainbow mentors" over Discord, while raging about poorly written
pRObLemAtIC animated furry fanfiction.
No. 1982877
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Well fuck.
No. 1982898
>>1982877Tragic
The Batfam samurai movie was such shit, idly why they thought this would be a good move except it actually is a "smart" move, anime is the money making industry atm and honestly the best next step for the comic industry since anime and manga is obliterating comic sales
No. 1983067
>>1982908Forever annoyed with DC choosing Harley as their new face when there are countless female characters that aren't pieces of shit
She was nice to a dog once and got a girlfriend and suddenly she's redeemed for everything because she has tits and ass and Batman suddenly says so
I can't picture this anime being anything remotely DC save the characters they'll shove in it's gonna be a world jumping slog fest of virtue signaling
No. 1983282
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Sage cus I don't know if you guys care, but the woman who used to make those cat comics back in the day is making a show for it now.
Feels kinda nostalgic, I remember seeing buzzfeed style videos of her comics all over youtube.
No. 1983507
>>1983286Completely different, this is just mom humor with cats.
It feels like a niche already filled by the parent centric episodes of Bluey but her comics are cute enough so good for her I guess
No. 1983939
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>>1983937agreed. Here it looks like the woman and the kids are under different lighting. The humor is incredibly cringe too.
No. 1983948
>>1983937The colors are fine imo, the tumblr nose skeeves me though. Also the plot is just Tokyo Godfathers except the baby is some disney creature sidekick, which is not good.
My biggest criticism is that the characters are bland and rides off cliches rather than telling an actual plot. It comes off as predictable.
No. 1983965
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>>1983916>>1983937it's kind of a blast from 2015 tumblr past, miss officer and mr truffles style. 2/3 main characters are cute shippable prettyboy twinks to boot. The blonde one reminds me of this abortion.
No. 1983979
>>1983939kek the main trio look like walking tumblr stereotypes,
>>1983965 nails the explanation. i don't plan to watch the short but the character design/art direction incredibly ages it. with this and vivzie's work we're getting the 2010s nostalgia special.
No. 1984057
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>>1983989+2 anon. The excessive cursing is not cute nor does it make your show truly adult and if anything, it makes the show more immature. MTV Downtown was adult animation and the characters hardly cursed in it at all. Same with Futurama. I think if a show feels the need to do the excessive cursing, it means that they can't write decent flowing dialogue.
No. 1984069
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(unsaged/wrong thread)
No. 1984119
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>>1983914What a downgrade from the og 2020 comic. I never liked it in the first place but I'd prefer it over this honestly really lame pilot.
No. 1984220
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Why do people keep insisting that tadc, a show written by a gay tranny, has good female characters?
No. 1985100
>>1984220Ah yes the female character written ad constantly being mindbroken and screaming "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!" "Help, this can't be happening – someone help me!" "Where am I? What's my name? Who am I?? I can't REMEMBER ANYTHING!" "Help me please" while on the verge of tears and trying to rip her skin off– yep, that's a quality female character!
Honestly this show has an audience of children who have very little taste.
No. 1985300
>>1983914thought it was cute
you can smell the lingering tumblr on it though.
corny and lame characters but thats alr
(sage your shit) No. 1985789
>>1983914Not that funny + I don't really get the setup. Why did all the aristocrats turn into zombies and why were the protags suddenly cool with apparently killing them when they were talking to them moments earlier? Are they dangerous or not? Why sneak and try to pickpocket that lady in the pink dress when they could've just killed her at the outset without any consequences? The baby-angel ate her and they just went on with their day.
Unlike the other nonas, I think the art's alright. Reeks of tumblr, but eh, I guess I just don't mind it here.
No. 1987957
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>>1987935Adventure Time Candy Kingdom rip off adventure. They call it Candy Canyon Kingdom. Everyone (except 5-10 year olds) has watched Adventure Time and knows of Princess Bubblegum and the Candy Kingdom. JUST DO A DIFFERENT CONCEPT. AT already did the 'happy candy people kingdom is actually very dark/messed up!!' multiple times. I have no understanding how this is the next location for the series, it's ripping everything off AT. And they have dessert-candy cars like Sugar Rush from Wreck-It Ralph.
No. 1988044
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Butch Hartman’s former animation director has been going off on twitter about his experience on Fairly Odd Parents.
No. 1988046
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>>1987957Not trying to defend this crap but Adventure Time did not invent candy kingdoms
No. 1988082
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>>1988046Why hasn’t candyland been made into an animated series, Mr. Mint and Lord Liquorice are sexyman bait/potential m/m pairing served on a platter and you know the Aidens will be watching
No. 1988105
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>>1988082There have been a few attempts at a movie over the years but they all eventually ended up in development hell.
There was also apparently an animated movie in the 00s but it’s version of Mr. Mint was decidedly unfuckable.
No. 1988889
>>1980517What kills me is that you can tell they definitely got some of the people that worked on Lascars, the movie looks great in my opinion even if it's a little gross at times, but this is just horrendous.
I won't even comment on the writing.
No. 1989004
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What do nonas think about apple and onion? I personally liked the animation and watched it as an adult even though it was aimed towards kids and i still liked it. But i generally like alot of animation ive seen get called trash in here and i want to know if im retarded.. is apple and onion ugly woke garbage? Nobodies answer will change my mind, im just curious.
No. 1989069
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>>1988046Nta but I think anon was referring to the fact that the castle is cream and pink, surrounded by mountains, there are pink cotton-candy trees, and it's ruled over by a single pink princess. There's a lot they could have done to make it more unique: choosing different color palettes for the castle and princess, for starters. They could've stuck with "Candy Canyon," without the kingdom part. Making it more of a desert canyon with cacti instead of trees would have helped as well. Just making the color palette more rainbow and less strictly yellow and pink is another option. It's just very derivative, like they just slapped together the first idea they had instead of thinking outside the box.
No. 1989309
>>1989063>>1989066>>1989076>>1989178The verdict is in and im retarded. Kek thats fine.
You guys comparing it to regular show makes sense. I loved regular show, so thats probably why i liked apple and onion so much. And yeah it came out past my time too but i cant stand TV shows aimed for adults so i mostly only watch cartoons unless its a movie.
No. 1989359
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This is the troon that voices her btw.
No. 1989429
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>>1989348The TIM that voices him wrote the episode. Go figure.
No. 1989446
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No. 1989296
THAT TRANNY VOICE!
I'm sorry girls but there is no magic spell that can fix that unless…
"BURN IT WITH BLASTER FIRE"(newfag)
No. 1989448
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>>1989429"Morgana"
WHAT A ORIGINAL TIM TROON NAME EVER…
No. 1989823
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>>1989819Saber has been calling him a scammer, not an ''alleged'' scammer. So it's possible.
Speaking of saber, whats everyone's opinion on saber? I dont get how he got so big, his videos are so mediocre. I can't believe his fucking vis average 1mil while pan's well-researched, actually funny and entertaining videos barely reach 300k
No. 1989831
>>1989823I don't care much about him, his videos are mid but are long and entertaining enough to put on background. Don't get how he got so big too but was during covid, he made a lot of videos, all low effort. I think he's better than LS Mark however
I hate this picture of him with blue, he looks like a discord mod groomer but honestly that could be said about any fat moid, he's most likely just a faggot who likes trannies
Hopefully Butch sues and hijinx ensues kek
No. 1989833
>>1989823Yeah, I think Saber is lazy and I'm pretty sure he pays people to do research for him. He needs to make a separate channel for his NSFW videos or keep them behind a paywall. I like Pan's videos but I think he's pathetic IRL which is fitting but I'd take him over Mr Enter or LS Mark.
One thing to note is I feel like Pan's GF uses Lolcow. She makes videos on certain things discussed here and every once in a while there's a PanvsSaberspark discussion in this thread with a heavy bias towards Pan.
No. 1989875
>>1989794Same anon, I'm getting tired of them. Can they just fuck and shut up already. Can we focus on the other characters for a change (and no, not Fizz & Ozzy neither). Give us some more Loona. I would love to see Loona and Ophelia hang out together again, let them build a friendship since they're closer in age and have a similar vibe with annoying fathers.
I still want a Millie episode but I have a feeling we still won't get one. That short wasn't about her, it was about the insecurity of her troon brother so even in a short, we couldn't get one with Millie having her own moment.
No. 1989877
>>1989823I think that Saber's videos are average to boring. I wanted to like his stuff because he uploads relatively frequently but his voice is a little grating (just the sound of it, sounds scratchy at times and like he needs some water) and the presentation just doesn't have much personality to it. I like his talk sprite but that's about it. I have to be in the right mood to sit through a video of his and it doesn't help that a lot of his videos are super long.
>>1989833>I like Pan's videos but I think he's pathetic IRL which is fitting but I'd take him over Mr Enter or LS MarkSame anon. Isn't it crazy how one of the best cartoon-related channels is also one of the most cringe IRL? Like I'm sure Pan is a nice guy but there's no denying that he can be questionable in real life and that's ignoring him dating that obnoxious TIF. But seriously, Pan is like one of the only cartoon channels that has both personality and great presentation. It helps that it actually feels like he's genuinely into what he's talking about and not paying people to research for him which then creates this wall of disconnect to the material (at least that I'm aware of, if he does pay researchers then my bad).
No. 1989993
>>1989823His shit is painfully unfunny even when the subject matter has the potential to be interesting.
And I don’t trust any e-celeb who got their start in the brony community.
No. 1990155
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Ang is still making alien schizo videos this time rping as her alien shota bf with one of the worst grating kids voices she could muster
No. 1990175
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>>1990159Apparently she's been living with Karlicartoons, one of Angs only remaining friends who mostly draws degen nsfw art of Beavis and Butthead. In her hilarious btfo towards Jimmy she also mentions shes starting a family this year. Imagine growing up in a household with a woman who talks about her child molestation fantasies in the open and whos also leeching off your autistic parents
No. 1990178
>>1989995I guess you need to be a bit cringe and weird to make entertaining videos. LS mark and Saber suffer from being painfully boring and uninteresting, with LS mark actually embracing his cocomelon ADHD zoomer audience that doesn't actually care about his videos, only puts them in the background while they sleep or draw.
The cringe from this clip alone could kill several men.
No. 1990503
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>>1990431Veronica's been supposedly sober and going to aa since early 2022 (right after she cheated on Mark) but now she seems to be using weed to fill that compulsive hole in her heart. She mentions it alot more in her art and smokes pot constantly on her cartoon podcast (who's main audience is autist kids + stunted adults) with Mark. Veronica and Mark look like the quintessential reddit couple now
No. 1990538
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>>1990512Nah she cheated on Oney with Adam and cheated on Mark with some 3rd rate va Joe Barra. See ex friend (who's also a bpd latina) exposing publically her after Veronica shit talked her to mutual friends.
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>>1990503Oh god, from looking up her twitter I saw her nsfw account where she draws furry porn and nudes of what im assuming is her cartoon self-insert. It's all such ugly coomer art
No. 1990599
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>>1990586I wouldnt call Veronica a pro. She's only had one job on helluva boss and blew it with getting into confrontation with Viv. She's still very bitter about it, talking on her podcast about how terrible she thinks hh is despite heavily promoting it in the past (
https://youtu.be/zPIx51rfZSs?si=CRAj8qdZvTafwnth) don't care for Viv or her work but it's funny how she pretty much blew her chance to get into the industry (also tricking Butch Hartman into a interview with her autist husband which most likely got them both blacklisted)
No. 1991187
>>1990635they're just shitting on the show and saying that it's not well thought out, "Everything in the show is
implied, it's all fucking
implied" and "Everyone just stands around talking about doing stuff instead of actually seeing it"(?) and also Mark nitpicks about how it feels like nothing is at stake because there's no economy established in Hell kek. They both sound weirdly bitter about the show for some reason
No. 1991243
>>1991219They’re not random characters, it’s their personas, honestly besides the obvious edgy bullshit I wanna know how actually asked for a whole podcast about Mark and Veronica talking about religion? Like I guarantee you almost no one cared if LS Mark of all people was religious or not, almost none of the comments talk about the actual video anyways so really I doubt anyone cared that much at the end of the day
>>1991226Really takes all the seriousness out of the moment, all I can think of is “Can we pretend that airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars” after looking at it for long enough
No. 1991307
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>>1991182He was thin when he lived in Ireland but the American diet blew him up
No. 1991432
A day ago a documentary released on the production of infamous 2012 flop Foodfight. Someone actually gathered a bunch of former staff and interviewed them, gathering concept material. Turns out the thing about assets being stolen was an urban legend, and the massive delays and shit quality were because Larry Kassanoff was a massive cow leading an entire animation studio. They all give insight on his tomfoolery, but the most egregious case is certainly the lady with glasses who was hired as a texture artist but was a junior, new to the industry, and hence forced to take on several different roles.
In case you don't want to watch the whole thing, here's some highlights of things that stood out to me:
>Kassanoff understands nothing about animation production. The movie was originally animated by keyframing as is standard for 3D and he changed it midway through production for motion capture, giving platitudes about it being "better". He was obsessed with being able to direct an animated movie as a live action one
>constantly micromanaged and requested changes in design after characters were modeled and textured, demanding massive changes on a whim
>terrible at instructing staff, ordering them to make a sequence "10% funnier" or "30% better"
>during production, gave tours of the studio while staff were working, interrupting constantly
>didn't understand the purpose of a storyboard, requested all sequences be presented fully animated, cut off and added new ideas without rhyme or reason
Now this is just the professional cow stuff. Of course, as a cow, he's also a retarded Hollywood moid:
>inside of the studio was cold as fuck, scolded staff member who would wear thick jackets because she didn't dress feminine enough
>assigned the texture artist to work on the character of Lady X's makeup, arguing she'd know because she was a girl
>was obsessed with the weasel character, voiced and performed the mocap for it himself and would frequently address staff in character. micromanaged it especially hard
>had a big retard aggressive dog, poorly trained, and it sometimes ate the lunches of staff. Refused not to bring the dog to work.
>texture artist was forced to walk it and pick up its diarrhea
>had a creepy crush on the Lady X character. Constantly tried to make upskirt shots and made animators make him renders of the character topless for him to jerk off to
>one staff member found him looking at a picture of lady X and murmuring to himself "mmm… Lady X…"
It's definitely worth a watch if you ever felt curiosity about the behind the scenes of this disaster. By the end no one wanted to distribute the film which is why it was a direct to DVD release. And yes, it was intended as a cash grab off the bat, with heaps of merchandise, tie-ins, a lost media videogame, and prospective sequels for a cinematic universe with arcade characters, comic characters and mascots (as in, college sport team mascots).
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>>1991432speak of the devil one of pans parasites showed up as the top comment
aside from that good find OP just shows how little animation is respected in the west
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>>1991472This was so fucking boring, there wasn't really a point to the episode and none of the characters got any more characterisation since the pilot
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>>1991472"Meanwhile In Memexico"
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>>1991472So they go into games with NPC sprites…this show is pretty much shitty ReBoot but even ReBoot did horror and melodrama better
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Little rant, I cringe now whenever I see on-the-nose pop culture references (especially anime references) in cartoons made after like 2015. It's not the pre-social media and smartphones era anymore, there's no longer any organic "heh, someone on this show knows the same obscure nerd thing I know" factor.
I was just reminded of laughing my ass off watching Venture Bros in the 2000s when one of the monarch's henchmen was wearing a Porkchop Sandwiches t-shirt, and another episode when The Monarch made a comment about meeting his goth blind date via his Livejournal where she called him "teh secks". I'd never really seen references to internet jokes or alt/niche communities before and I remember thinking that Doc Hammer and Jackson Publick were cool as hell for that. There's no real "if you know you know" moments like that anymore, everything is accessible and we don't even really have subcultures anymore.