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I genuinely can't understand what argument their trying to make here ?
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>Mr Inglefield had been considered one of the world’s leading surgeons in the field of transgender operations but he had been accused in the past of turning his operating theatre into 'a circus' by broadcasting on Snapchat.
>He is also an exponent of womb transplants, claiming the contentious procedure is ‘essentially identical’ to that of ‘cis-women’ - females born in that gender.
>"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as the congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition"
>"There are clearly anatomical boundaries when it comes to trans women but these are problems that I believe can be surmounted and the transplant into a trans-female is essentially identical to that of a cis-female"
And from what I can gather from the article, it sounds like he's more in trouble for not reporting what happened during the surgery. Rather than, y'know, the fact he blinded someone who thought getting plastic surgery would turn them into a female.
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This is just blatantly untrue, lmao. Also note the comment about fucking terfs with rusty poles, because… sexual violence against women acceptable if not agree?
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It isn't, tranny-kun. Yes, a woman in good shape can beat a NEET in a fight. But a peak-condition man will always beat a peak-condition woman in most sports because there are physiological differences between the sexes. Women and men are intellectual equals, but on average men have more tard strength because it's just in their DNA.
Women generally outperform men in sports where being more flexible or having a smaller body is beneficial. For instance, most Olympic-level equestrians are female.
>>1716751>They target butch cis women as well
First off, no, we don't. We're in favor
of women being allowed to be butch without everyone accusing them of being an egg or whatever.
There are some GCs that wrongfully clock normal women as troons, but that's typically because of their body proportions, not their clothing style. Butch is a type of fashion, not just when a stereotypically feminine woman has a really mannish face (like that one woman Petras recently called a tranny.)
So you agree? You think trans women are men?
So you're a man? You think having more chimp strength means you're superior?
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To any butch trans women reading here
, you are men.
>>1716746>can be surmounted
… are you sure lol
is he srs or is this more cope
The more I think about it, the more I don't think terf
is even a real thing. It's just feminism. Feminism is female advocacy. It was never about defending a performance or an adopted identity, it was about defending a female material reality. Sometimes I step back and it's just insane how insidious the language has gotten. Like you have to go back and reassert that for centuries the woman's rights activist were talking about those actual flesh and blood women and not some abstract idea. Like news flash if the suffragettes have a successor movement it's not going to have a dick.
Sage for long blogpost, but I am starting to successfully peak my septuagenarian mother. She was a hardcore feminist in the 1960s and 70s, but unfortunately sees MTFs as harmless. Sharing below for fellow nonnas who need to convince family members of TERF superiority!
A few weeks ago she had her high school reunion, and one of her classmates decided to chop his dick off and adopt woman-face in his 70s. My mother was praising his stunning braveness, but said she was uncomfortable by how frequently her male classmate brought up his surgery, and how he could never sympathize with classmates who had cancer or who had died because he could only talk about his inverted dick.
Last night, I was having drinks with my mother and her high school friend. The conversation of incel rhetoric came up, so I casually mentioned how increasingly young white male incels troon out because they believe women live life on easy mode and women are basically failed men. I softened this by lying that there are many ~real~ trans people like her classmate, but recently these privileged young white men who don't have dysphoria and who demand sex from lesbians are growing, which makes me very nervous around young white men who claim to be women. I said it was a shame that we can't address this issue, nor the problem of male socialization. My mom and her friend had never heard of male socialization, so I explained by using their MTF classmate as an example. They both got excited, saying this male socialization concept explains exactly why their classmate was so insufferable. I continued, saying that while I would never say their MTF friend isn't a woman since she got surgery, if we think about Simone de Beauvoir (my mother's favorite), late-blooming MTFs can never be fully female not because of birth but because of socialization. My mom and her friend were very interested by this. Flash forward to today when my mom and her friend are getting ready to have dinner with old classmates including the MTF. They made frequent references to not looking forward to seeing "her" because of her "male behaviors," and how now they know how to deal with "her" better if they think of "her" as a man. I think the seed has been planted, so I am going to keep pushing this every time I come home. (My brother, sadly, often talks about how evil republicans are because of trans kids, and not because of the oppression of women and hostile takeover of the judiciary branch. So hopefully I can peak my mom and then start working on my brother before he goes full TRA….)
>>1716808>the abuse men inflict on women
Rape, assault, financial abuse, workplace harassment, creepshots, industries built on female servitude, list goes on>the abuse women inflict on transwomen
Don't come into our restroom! Don't come into our sports! Please stop being creepy!
The phrasing on this topic is important, because just saying "men are stronger" does read as "men are better," especially if you pair it with a statement like "men and women are intellectually equal," which (intentionally or not) further implies that any advantage over the other sex is held by men, not women.
To clarify: Men only have superior peak strength and sprint speed. Women have better peak endurance and flexibility. Part of the imbalance in athletic competitions is that most sports are designed for or judged based on male capabilities. For example, figure skaters are often ranked better for their jumps (something men are better at) than their poses and dancing (things that women are better at). It's also worth noting that the suggestion that men and women are intellectual equals may not be entirely true, as research in this field has often shown that women score equally to men on tests that (just as with the sports before) are designed to be passed by men. It's well-known that many popular methods of testing intelligence use faulty methods that give privileged demographics an advantage. More thorough, balanced testing has often resulted in evidence that women may be more
intelligent than men, if only due to higher emotional intelligence (though it's likely more than that, considering that it's doubtful that EQ is what made girls in Japan so much more likely to pass entry exams that schools gave boys a handicap of a lower passing grade).
The idea that brute strength and ability to harm others is what makes people superior is both male-centric and inherently violent. The potential to do harm is not what defines something as superior. If it was, a single grain silo would be superior to the average man.
It's just Mengele tier surgeons who want to play God. Whenever they bring up Lili Elbe as the first attempt of a womb transplant, they claim it failed because medicine wasn't ready yet, but they always downplay that he pretty much died from having an organ stuffed into his body that had no business being there, and that still hasn't changed. Biology is a TERF
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>lot easier than i thought
yep it's pretty easy for intimidating men to go wherever the fuck they like even if they aren't welcome, because now there isn't even a law or policy against it
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I know posting HER screenshots is cheating but I need everyone to observe this stunning and brave specimen. The next pic is even better.
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how can i make this about meeeeeeee????
so i’m getting the idea that it’s just sensationalist. why is it always the one who promote this don’t line up with actual studies and health standards?? i’m just trying to get over that they say you suddenly treat the absence of a uterus with… getting one, very few women are just born with no uterus and they usually have parts there that can be reconstructed to have it actually develop
they don’t just get one shoved in and walk off, no, they can’t keep it, they have to have it removed so idk i guess i’m just trying to make sense of it
i don’t think we’ll be around long enough for their hellish dreams to come to fruition anyways
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Never would’ve expected a tiktok comment section to be so based, this was under a moid’s ‘transition journey’ video. Am I being naive or are people actually waking up? I feel like I’m seeing stuff like this exponentially more
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>>1716165>We shouldn't care about the living conditions in prison because prison is bad to begin with!
Impressively retarded. I love how this also implies that the better thing to do is advocate for the abolition of prison entirely, as if that's in any way as realistic as just keeping them single-sex. Bizarre.
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his arms remind me of a gibbon. gibbons are way cuter tho
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update: 29.0 miles away
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>>1716808>more powerless than them
Which group is society listening to more? Women or men pretending they're women?
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they’ll never be women regardless of how they dress, that’s what people have been trying to tell them.
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kill it with fire.
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girl is when crying and submissive to others u w u
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what is projection? living in glass houses and throwing stones with their attacking women for their appearances. I'm not even hateful, just incredulous at the arrogance and lack of self awareness.
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girls only think about clothes and hair, men are incapable of thinking about those two things, they’re just for girls.
they always think we make fun of their appearances because we're judging them as ugly women and not realising that we're laughing at them for being creepy ugly men. no "TERF
" is holding any woman up to hyper-feminine beauty standards, ffs. they're so dumb. the shooped photo of that woman is hilarious though kek.
>>1716837>The more I think about it, the more I don't think terf is even a real thing. It's just feminism.
Uh, do you know what terf
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Estrogen makes you submissive to others, the more you know!!!
If only these fools learned the tiniest bit about female socialization before they begin their transition. If women were larger than men with every other thing exactly the same, you'd see how fucking submissive we are, fool
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>researching bigger areolas
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You just know that the only resemblance between that character and his actual appearance is maybe
the hair color.
Anyway, the troon is misinterpreting the circumstances under which people say these things. The bottom statement is usually said in response to troon explaining why they think they're women in the first place, while the top one is just pointing out how slovenly troons look in general. Even when they're going for a "high femme" look, they're horrifically uncoordinated. "Butch" looks can be legitimately fashionable and flattering on normal women who actually take care of themselves. "Butch" troons just look like NEETs with no clean laundry left.
>>1716869>just take care of business (toilet, makeup, etc.)
Why do they love being in bathrooms? I can't remember the last time I saw a woman fixing her makeup in a public bathroom. Usually people love to get in and get out as quick as possible>>1716895
It's impressive how this one can make literally anything about trans people.
Yeah because feminine fashion is usually age appropriate stuff that’s elegant or cute.
Troons only have three fashion styles:>man>slutty bimbo>programmer socks catgirl
These people tell on themselves with how disconnected from women (and womens' trends) they actually are. I don't even need to assume anything about the author's appearance, though what >>1717205
said is most likely true. The fact is, most real women, even and especially zoomers, don't wear off-the-shoulder crop tops or chokers out and about, because they were last trendy 5 years ago.
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I don't think I've ever had to refrain from a-logging more.
I want to believe this, but I tried to speak to my libfem friends about this whole thing while I was peaking (retard behavior on my part), and a surprising amount of these "feminist" women would parrot back actual MRA rhetoric when faced with actual feminist views.>"Not all men are like that">"Some men are marginalized, and you're just hurting them by thinking men have privilege">"You just think that because you have personal trauma">"There's no way that 50% of the population could be that way">"Patriarchy hurts men, too">"Men are forbidden from crying, they're unfairly seen as predators, they can't wear cute clothes or makeup, they can't shave, etc">"Claiming men have some physical advantages means you think men are superior in general" gotcha
They pass as leftist because they're pro-choice and think that women should have the right to vote, work, and own property, but they're just centrists (or even right-wing) who do and say whatever is most acceptable or convenient in the moment, and have accepted whatever legislation feminists fought extremely hard for to put in place before these women were born as a consequence. If you actually speak to them, you'll find that they're some of the most intellectually lazy people on this planet. They've given up.
I've also noticed that not many people give a fuck when it comes to feminism in comparison to other movements. Especially pickmes who are so dick-whipped that they cape impressively hard for men every time. Probably something about being guilty cause of their nigels.
Also>Some men are marginalized, and you're just hurting them by thinking men have privilege
So they think men aren't privileged now?? Wtf? You're right this is all just MRA cope. You should introduce your friends to the incredibly new and challenging concept of "intersectionality".
It's because a lot of leftists still don't think female oppression is a "real" form of oppression. They think of it as "soft oppression." They don't think we have slurs (bitch, cunt, whore, etc "aren't slurs"), they don't think our rights are meaningfully in danger (they won't admit it, but they think that abortion is a "reasonably debatable" right, especially in the case of a woman who has the means to care for the kid, wasn't raped, won't die or be seriously harmed by the pregnancy/birth, and won't be having a stillbirth; Hell, many of them think it would be "eugenics" if a woman aborted because she somehow knew the baby was going to be disabled. I doubt many of them know or feel as if their jobs, right to property, right to vote, or right to divorce are threatened, even though they very much are), and they think that everything else (rape, sexual assault, abuse, lower respect, lower pay, lower hire rate, higher and much more unrealistic beauty standards, periods being considered filthy/a blight and resulting in exile, etc) are just interpersonal issues that are exacerbated by being in a large society, rather than systemic oppression and hate crimes.
I've noticed a lot of aidens and 'progressive' men love hand wringing about how generalizing men is bad because it's a pipeline to becoming a terf
and oppresses men who are minorities and of course it always goes viral on places like Twitter because it's crawling with pick me's and scrotes who hate women. Every time feminism starts getting its teeth back everyone starts scolding women and scaring them back into being good little libfems
Samefag because I forgot to explain that they think this way because they think that oppression is more or less "you are, or you aren't" with no nuance, with three exceptions. Exception one is if you're ludicrously wealthy, exception two is if you're white and you say something they dislike (it doesn't matter if it's factual or asvocating for marginalized people; you could be making a point about racism against black people being bad, but they'd bring up the fact that you're white if it mentioned racism from gay or, god forbid, their precious trans people, even though they're also white), and exception three is if you're part of a marginalized group (people of color, homosexuals, women, disabled people, intersex people, etc) and you say something they dislike (mysteriously they never seem to have an explanation for this, except potentially "it feels like a betrayal"). They think that if you're oppressed on one axis, you're oppressed on all of them. Except, of course, if you disagree with them. Then your oppression isn't real, and you're part of the privileged oppressor group.
there are actually a lot of really good terf
accounts popping up on tiktok they usually end up deleted and the app in itself is retarded but there are still some people speaking out and getting horrific hate
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i found a photo of him dressed exactly like the cartoon he drew kek. the top drawing is probably him just literally looking like an ordinary man in a hoodie and calling himself a woman.
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Theres no point in me blurring this since its already been on bigger news outlets lmao. My old highschool held an anti-trans protest… I guess theres still some hope… then again, when I went to school there they also held pro-life weeks and kids would wear tape over their mouths.
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I hope his wife and kid forget about him
>>1717423>Jesus loves trans kids
Holy shit, the use of transgenderism by the right wing as a form of sterilization and "conversion" of GNC/presumed gay kids really is
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Most “trans hate crimes” are committed by their fellow moids. But no, some pushback from women is LiTeRaL vIoLeNcE.
I really do not believe this theory that many troons go into the military because they had troon thoughts and were trying to suppress them.>>1717470
All of them, I think. Keep hearing on the news a tranny was killed. Who did it? A black moid. Not white women, or "karens" or whatever. The troon was also probably black. It is a crime that literally does not concern women.
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Goes to work around the public like this every year
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From the replies to that thread>how dare the doctor not let me give myself cancer
As someone who formerly trolled MTF subs with shit like this, I do think these types of fake stories do us a favor with showing how complicit the trans community is in enabling moid predators. You really have no idea how much they will cover up and try to smooth over, which is why you see so many pedos and evil violent moids now transing. IME you can write stories about trying to kidnap a child and as long as you mention the mom is a cis woman (bonus points if she's white) they (white men) will claim you were persecuted by an evil TERF
. If any of you decide to test it, you'd be surprised how insane you can be in these communities yet still be upvoted and given a victimization spiel and testimony by other sex pest moids to rewrite yourself as the true victim
. So yes the story is likely fake, instead you should screencap the comments from actual trannies and the share of upvotes–that is where the gold is.
Right-wingers screeching about it does qualify as incitation of violence, as I keep saying we need to make the line between feminist anti-troonism and RW anti-troonism much clearer>>1717110>>1717120
The bar is so low for these people's behavior I was almost relieved that he was "just" jealous, because I assumed he would say there's no way someone so accepting of his transition could be an abuser and insist his sister take it back or go to a funeral she didn't want to go or whatever. Absolutely vile either way
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pic related is the man in question kek >>1717424
hate when these clearly-not-working-class troons slag off the NHS waiting times. they surely have the money to go private so why put extra pressure on a severely struggling system? all the comments are complaining about socialised healthcare when there are plenty of shill private doctors waiting to take their money and ruin their lives faster. philosophy troon is doing the exact same thing by demonising the NHS for not bending over backwards enough (in reality the NHS is already overrun with gender ideology bs and every service has extremely long waiting times, including cancer patients).
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never heard any other aussie who isnt usmedia poisoned millenial use "kiddo" personally. i always read it with like a midwest accent, find it cringe when other austraians use it like when they say "y'all" or "folks". lots of overlap in those phrases ime.>>1717443
lol i hope he kills himself hehe>>1717493>>1717552
lmfao fat cunt
poe's law. much like religious fundamentalists, trannies are so insane that no matter how outrageously you try to satirize them there will still be someone out there who will take it seriously and agree. like >>1717532
said, it's not the posts themselves but the numbers of supportive comments and upvotes that show it all.
NTA but you realize that troons already claim that when actual troons do something bad right? They still support dangerous fake posts and you can click their profiles and it’s an actual stunning brave transwoman like 90% of the time. Many comments on that post were trying to be nice to the OP gently suggesting therapy. Chances are those comments appeared first and that the anons here upvoted/downvoted on it which altered the comments popping up first. Some troons have even deleted their comments because they were initially in support of “daisy”.
Troll accounts are always gonna exist and it’s possible that it’s some random autistic male who likes to troll rather than a TERF
fyi. Terfsbeware didn’t claim to be a TERF
; the radfem assumptions came from people saying that the reveal post and reasoning sounded too empathetic towards women to be a moid kek. Kiwifarms is full of autistic deranged males who could make a troon troll account if they wanted to just like a radfem imo.
Health insurance covering cosmetic surgery for troons really pisses me off. If they can get cosmetic surgery covered, everyone should.
Don’t even get me started on the fact that troons can get electrolysis and laser hair removal covered by their fucking health insurance, but real women with PCOS can never get those procedures covered by their insurance because they identify with their biological fucking sex.
Troon threads are a coven of radfems. The whole website tends to lean that way but here it's especially bad if you believe in anything other than the lesbian female separatist utopia (this is a hyperbole).
You can even understand why: radfems have nowhere to go. Tumblr bans them like flies for muh transphobia so they remake every month or ditch the site. Reddit troons took hold of all their subreddits. Ovarit is for older women and they don't allow rude shit.
The best thing to do with radposting is just to ignore and move on.
I don't give a shit about republicans, I am not even american. I just noticed how common it is here for radfems to put posters on their purity tests because they don't conform to their ideals. Every woman should laugh at troons regardless of her beliefs even if she is a woman you don't like.>>1717675
I mentioned zero men you screeching radfem loon. I am esl so I had no idea that coven is exclusive to witches.
*men have no values
Right or left, it's always the XY kek.
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well they would be in an ideal world
does anyone have the cap of the 4chan troonpost that says "i need female eyes"
he wants an eye transplant and the reply is "imagine still not knowing the problem is you" or sthg
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from the from the bad short comics thread
>The "third gender" term from Hawaia, Māhū, is a male to female identification used by (primarily homosexual) males who teach hula (they were allowed to perform in some temples that women weren't), and were known to "always be available for sexual conquest by men"; It is a role for gay men who act as performers and sex objects for other men
>The "third gender" term from central america, muxe, is a male to female identification used by (primarily homosexual) males who dress in "female" clothes or otherwise behave "like women". They do jobs associated with females. It is a role for homosexual and GNC males.
>The "third gender" used in Samoa, fa'afafine, is supposedly an identification used by males to signal "being between male and female", but the term itself means "in the manner of woman". So, once again, it is a male to female identity. Fa'afafine are known to do housework, care for families, and only having homosexual sex (sex with other men). It is a role for homosexual males.
why do wokeis fetishize pre-colonial third genders, when 99% of the time its always gay/effeminate men kicked out of the male sex or little boys dressed as women that were being raped by male nobles
Men have retard strength kek.
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Every time I see something depraved posted in that subreddit, I click on the profile of the poster. It’s almost always a TiM.
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This guy is beyond unhinged. He goes on an insane rant about his mother following her calling his girlfriend a women, where he implies she should be killed, and then proceeds to dump his girlfriend after she calls the sex they have, "straight."
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tranny cope thread kek
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Imagine just living in seething hatred of half the population every day
Sapphic and wlw are words that were used to refer to female x female relationships where one (or two) of the partners is not necessarely a lesbian (so lesbian x bi woman, for example, was called sapphic).
Iirc comes from the poet Sappho's name due to the poems about female same sex love she wrote despite having a husband (apparently).
Feminine men and men on hormone injections are LITERALLY
biologically female u guyss!! Terfs aren’t women btw
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how is this a own?
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it’s a tranny if: it’s anime or a comic strip, includes words like “sapphic” or “top/bottom” (who is the man in the relationship??), it’s a picture men fetishize (that meme of a girl doing another girl’s makeup), it’s about a lesbian stereotype (like pictures of manicures with short index and middle finger nails). bonus points if it looks like a 4 year-old did it, whatever it is.
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imagine the stench
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spot the woman kek
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one of my favourite pastimes is editing troons to see how they would look as an actual woman. its really not surprising how difficult it is to transform a man into a woman.
it just goes to show, huh
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its a bit weird but it can be fulfilling.
about the sims though, why would i put my time and effort into creating an atrocity, also i get bored of the sims within a week anyways kek
sidenote; this shoop was fucking impossible, those lips
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I think it is amusing when trannies post things like this. Seems to be the /tttt/ crowd of "self aware" troons who are totally not like other trannies!!! I don't even know what to say, it's obvious when they post these self critiques of their man body they are trying to summon their herd of tranny followers from the woodwork to assure them that they totally look like a soft and petite girl but everything he's written about himself here is like, 100% true.
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how do they do it? make the most mundane things sound so gross and creepy.
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I just can’t imagine a single woman doing this kind of shit. What a joke of a failed male
(sorry this is a link and not the vid, i’m on mobile)
Also his granparents sound like a lot more fun than him, heating on full blast while watching your favourite movies at 2am sounds like fun. His family sound great, if all he can muster up to complain about them is they play bridge
you know they are actual saints since online moids always spin the smallest things.
His whole screed is so eugenicist/genocidal, the part about lockdowns (which weren't even well enforced in the UK) being the "fault" of older people when anybody could catch covid and get sick, long covid currently affects millions in the UK. He, a literal tranny pedo oxygen thief things everyone who mildly annoys him needs to literally die.
He looks like a pixar background character >>1717973
That anon sounds american, "New England states" is a meaningless phrase to Europeans
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personal blog post here, but I was once someone who would probably have dived under the bus for cringe trans teachers (okay maybe that not that hard for breast plate chan). a big part of it for me is that im LGB and a woman obv so ive been socialized to think we're all in this together and that if people were making fun of me for my sexuality that they would stand up for me. I wanted to include people because I believed these people were being harassed like i was. I also didnt think for myself, i took the word of TRAs as the word of God, like if they said you didnt need dysphoria to be trans id suck it up. that would include the deFiNe a wOmaN bit. but like even then i couldn't fully see trans people as any thing as their biological sex but i just respected their pronouns.
It was only when I started to think for myself and got out of an abusive
relationship with a tim did i see how I was trapped in a cult and still am because most of my friends are LGBT. I still avoid the topic of trans just because i know some would cancel me for my beliefs despite being IRL or online friends for years.
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the fucking proportions on this mutant
meant to reply to >>1718077
Male autism. Y is deformed.
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literally. if youre smart enough to laugh at trannies but too dumb to see it in men, youre desperate for male validation. its pathetic and to expect it out of others is retarded. end of.
anyway back to laughing at them.
So anon, dear, darling, what you need to understand is all men are the same but it's a sliding scale depending on various factors: environment, peers/colleagues/friends, income/finances, upbringing, appearance, base personality, strength, testosterone level, intelligence, skills, mental health (which can be affected by the prior factors) etc etc.
All men and ALL of them have the capacity to do the most terrible, destructive things given various variations of the above traits. The idea of "good" and "bad" men is false, it's a sliding scale. Some men have the correct set of traits that they have never jacked it to cp, would never hurt a child, etc, but that is only due to the correct alignment of traits as listed above and is liable to change. If one or several factors were to change, his capacity for harm will also change. Some men with "perfect" lives do a murder suicide due to one of these factors changing. (usually mental health or finances)
It's not about hope, it's understanding it's a sliding scale and all men must be treated with some level of caution. Think of them as a volitile substance that may explode if mixed with the wrong thing.
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Funny how TIMS are always making digs at TIFs while inflating their own egos and delusions. kek
I don't even mind ftms in women's spaces (obviously because they are women) they just make me sad
Remember a post where a tranny was complaining about fakebois being welcomed in irl lesbian spaces while tim troons are always left behind, it's always such a kek when they realize nobody aside from Reddit groomers wants them
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couldn't help myself kek
and his jealousy is centred around the belly
and not a real pregnancy where you birth and raise a child. You raise a human that becomes your whole world. But for him it’s just his latest fetish and wants to experience a pornified version for himself. It’s so sick and selfish. I cannot.
She never had official sexualized designs though, did you forget she's a character from a video game series for kids?>>1718096
kek that's far more accurate.
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What is up with the crazy eyes these guys get after trooning out? This guy looked completely normal before.
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They always remind me of this when they try and open their eyes more to look feminine
This one is actually putting a bit of effort in but the teddy holding is???? Why must they sexualize children so much? It'd be different if had kawaii self expression and interests in the before but this female = teddy correlation is unnerving as this anon pointed out >>1718149
He resembles a personal trans cow of mine and that one posted saying it feels like he now has access to lesbians, essentially, so I think part of that crazy agp look is this false belief that by growing hair out, putting eyeliner on and calling themselves Alice or Mabel or whatever that they can unlock Lesbians in the game of their life.
kek your post just made me think of some TiFs getting angry at the fact that most women would rather share spaces with them than with TiMs. I saw one share a pic of Buck Angel or some other one that passed fairly well and she was like “you REALLY want this person in your bathrooms instead of a TW
?” Yes. Absolutely. Even when TiFs go out of their way to try to be misogynistic and vulgar it falls flat and either way I’d unironically rather be next to a testosterone-taking woman with internalized misogyny than an actual danger-to-my-safety, porn-addled moid who acts like he has anything in common with me. Besides, TiFs usually understand the danger and misogyny of men and will even admit or acknowledge it. They bring it up in their own subreddits with posts about how TW
tend to take over the conversation and belittle them. It’s so interesting to see the male/female socialization in action in those places.
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Dylan Mulvaney clone who “can’t figure out” how tampons work in this video. This is the guy who was rejected from every sorority he tried to get into. He’s still going by female pronouns and still being blatantly misogynistic. I used to care less about these HSTS types even though they can be catty and vile, but after Dylan my tolerance for them has completely plummeted. https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1597799390613499904
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Tampon manufacturers were starting to advertise their products to TiFs. Pic related is a Lutel campaign ad from last year to remind you some "men" menstruate. For some reason tampon manufactures decided to shift course to promoting tampon usage for TiMs.https://aninjusticemag.com/campaign-featuring-transgender-men-draws-ire-toward-trans-women-faf5fe999caa
its because troons only see the world through the sexualised lense of the male brain
The very simple truth is the vast majority of troons dont want to be women they want to have the body of a woman and the brain of a man so they can live out their sexual fantasies
I'm actually surprised because it seems most period products, no matter if it's a big brand or something independent, have gone all "people with periods". But both o.b. and Carefree (managed under the same company) use women/female on their websites. I really hope they will continue like that.
Both Tampax and Always are under Procter & Gamble and both pissed me off with their troon pandering so I am avoiding all brands they manage.
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I wish OB made pads too because I can't use tampons. Out of curiosity I went to see a local company's site, they also claim they're ecological so I'd like to support them but of course on the front page they have an article stating "periods are not a gender issue".. I'm genuinely surprised they only talked about TIFs and didn't try to claim that men can have periods too.
>>1718200>periods aren’t a sign of womanhood
But they kind of are? It’s the traumatic passage into womanhood, along with the rest of puberty. It’s why a lot of TIMs fetishize it.
Trannies are only a small percentage of people, so I hate companies putting these stupid disclaimers. Troons always look to be the victim
You don’t see fucking viagra being “gender-neutral”, but we all know why.
>>1718119>both "woman" pics feature him holding a stuffed animal
I don't want to live in this retarded world anymore>>1718176
I was really hoping this was a troll who might peak people by doing a parody of Dylan. But he seems incapable of that kind of critical thought. Just some young dumbass copying Dylan for TikTok clout.
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This has been making rounds on reddit, and obviously troons appear in the comments calling the 60-year old a "girl" and "egg". I mean he might actually troon out, because men honestly believe that a generic filter is their "girl self", even though it's an idealized Samsung Sam face superimposed on their ugly mug
sage for blog and rant, but I was similar. I was pro-Troon because I'm a biracial bisexual black woman raised in a majority white place so I figured I understood them. Like I know what it's like to be visibly the only one like you in a room, for people to feel ok commenting when you don't meet their expectations, but always people always expect you to be exactly two opposite ends of a made up spectrum. To feel like the way you live and behave are simultaneously who and how you are but also like it's wrong because no matter what someone always thinks its off or you're being fake.
But then I learned more about them, and watched how they behave. And it pissed me off. I saw men who weren't just trying to live, they weren't just asking for the grace to live authentically. They were insisting that everyone should bend over backwards and never question them, while publicly acting like degenerates. Not even bothering to be likable. They have no shame, they have no humility, and they are entitled. Like the lesbian thing, as a bi women I understand them wanting their own space. Do I sometimes feel like they are going into a room and locking me out with the boys, sure, but that isn't reality there are spaces where I am welcome and I understand when people need their "sacred" space.
Troons don't just want to be accepted. They want everything without question, exclusively to themselves.
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Ugh, but as a brand these days do you even have a choice but to pander in some way if this is the profitable trend of the times. Then again, the average woman honestly doesnt even know this is a debate in the first place
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and why are they comparing periods to love? kek it's so dumb. periods are a female bodily function where we shed tissue from the lining of our uterus. what does that have to do with love?
I didn’t know this was so common kek. This is true, I’m a straight woman that ended up with an ex that trooned out. He wanted me to admit I was a lesbian because now he was supposedly a woman. Not even bisexual would suffice for him, because he thought that I was still seeing the man in him by being bisexual, and that “gave him doubt” and wasn’t reassuring enough.
Troons don’t want bisexual or pansexual people, because it’s not enough validation. They want to have a lesbian, which is impossible.
Dylan Mulvaney VS women
sorry for being a tard, but idk how to share this video when the file is too large on lc and youtube isn't an option. if some more tech savy nona could share it properly that would be great
In 2019, a huge law firm released a document that advised on strategy tras should use to get laws passed for self-id for children.
The standouts were: "Tie your campaign to more popular reform, e.g. legalizing gay marriage", "tie trans rights to the rights of actually oppressed people", "do everything you can to avoid media attention", "target young politicians; tell them they will be on the right side of history", and "get ahead of the govt; NGOs need to intervene early in the legislative process and ideally before it has even started. This will give them far greater ability to shape the government agenda and the ultimate proposal than if they intervene after the government has already started to develop its own proposals."
Articles about it:https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/dentons-campaigns-kids-switch-gender-without-parental-approvalhttps://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/
Only adults? Good practices in legal gender recognition for youthhttps://www.iglyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/IGLYO_v3-1.pdf
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Fixed it for them.
There was a thing about them removing the Venus symbol from their packaging/wrappers because it triggered
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I was just about to rejoice that Bodyform isn't trannypandering but I was wrong.. It took a lot of digging but I found the pandering.
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Very normal thing to say!
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and of course, in the replies…
let us know if you do. i think an entrepreneurial TERF
could make something much needed and appreciated by many women. Those troon-pandering companies use toxic
materials too. A bullshit-free, toxic
-free, woman-centered period products company that raises awareness about period stigma, FGM, reproductive health problems like endometriosis and other women's issues would be my dream.
Ok, I just read a like 10 different articles on always removing the venus symbol. And what seems to have happened is the non-binary women and tifs kept bitching about the symbol - whining on twitter, emailing them, and so on - so always was like "fuck it" and took it off and then said they were doing it to be "inclusive" vs "we just want them to stfu". They removed the symbol in 2019. I haven't found any other evidence that they pander to troons, tims or tifs.
I will note, that I am and oldfag and have used Always since I got my period and the venus symbol was some new shit, I don't recall it being there in the 90s or early 2000s, so I see why Always was decided to nope out.
>their overnight infinity pads are superior at collecting the inevitable spill from my tampons and extreme flow.
even if always was like the worst troon panderer, you should still use the pads if they work best for you. I would not die on this specific hill and end up with bloody clothes and sheets.
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I have a heavy flow and it was not enough for me. I got the thicc ones designed for heavy flow and felt like pic related tbh.
Sounds like B.S. they have a job so take out a loan instead of whining.
Kek at the Black Mirror level remotely disabled car for coming out to parents.
I've used pads all my life I'm not worried. If I ever needed to change to reusable I'd used it for lighter days to replace toliet paper.>>1718328
Start advertising condoms for TIM's lol
because none of them have their own style, they just copy what they see on instagram and tiktok. I think its amusing how none of them are in particularly good shape. >>1717510
kek the huge man shoes. he looks like a dirty disgusting retard.>>1717144
the hair, eurgh. How long does one go without washing for it to look like that
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Eddie Izzard lost the parliamentary candidacy to this woman in pic related - Abstisam Mohamed. Their size difference made me kek (and the way it looks like she has no feet)
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i got bored and decided to play around with chatgpt and ask it a bunch a questions about trannies. of course if you dare to say anything bad about them the bot rushes to tell you that “trans people are unique individuals with different experiences and you can’t judge them as one”, even if you try to cheat around it. at least it says that women can’t have penises or XY chromosomes, but it’s pretty easy to make it contradict itself
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Thanks for the recommendations nonitas, I'll try out what I can.>>1718348
I didn't know cloth pads existed so this is some great info. My flow is short but it gets pretty heavy so I was hoping to find something like this, thanks nona!
Anyway sorry for the derail but I feel better knowing its one less pad (more like hundreds) for a moid to possibly get off on kek. Sometimes I wonder about how they went from 'not all women have periods, so we can still be women!!' to eventually caving and making it this huge deal. Was it just the undeniable fact that the vast majority of pre-menopause women get periods or the main demographic went from gay hons to AGPs or what
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I am howling at this one>lurking in r/actuallesbians made me realise how much i have in common with lesbians and how little i have in common with straight men
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I am currently using OB but looking to change once my stockpile runs out. I want to switch to cups/period underwear. But every fucking time I get a rec, I look up their website and social media and they all have shit like this. Are there any legit brands left that aren’t doing this?
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I want to a-log so FUCKING bad HOLY SHIT>I just get how they love women
NO YOU FUCKING DONT AND YOU NEVER WILL REEEEEE
"I, a man, just want to be perceived as a non-conforming woman" = I want to be perceived as exceptional and subversive while being normative and doing nothing.>>1717760
"Even the bones" = Osteopenia makes me feel so feminine and fragile, just like a girl!
Having flashbacks to those bootypop (padded bum underwear) ads where the model stands straight in the before and then poses in an S-curve for the after.>>1718456
nayrt but I find kotex tampons uncomfortable to pull out, ironically the wider tampax tampons have less of an abrupt "shelf" when you pull them out since the wider profile has more give and forms a gentler slope when removed.
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Nona I have bad news… also I checked their site and they are a MERMAIDS partner and donate to them. Even worse than pandering.
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LOLA is a brand of pads AND tampons that are really great. I’ve used both their tampons and their pads (they sell them at Walmart). Completely free of toxic bullshit like other brands, and it seems they’re also free from toxic troon pandering. They also donate products to women and girls in need.
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it's not even funny it's downright scary
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play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
There’s so much to unpack here but the two that stood out the most to me were these:
>my biggest sexual fantasy was transforming into a woman. guess that’s just how i wanted to have sex the entire time
Too bad he never will have sex as a woman. No amount of HRT or surgeries will make him female or give him that mythical orgasm I’m sure he craves like all of them seem to do.
>using AL as a barometer for how real lesbians feel or think
KEK the entire sub is made of men who feel comfortable speaking over a minority group of women, of course he feels welcome there.
I think they know that, hence the follow up where this one >>1718297
put “socialized male” in quotes. They’re very aware of the privilege they hold and they love the fact that women can do so little against it right now. They’re men, keeping women under their boot is the goal.
Good lord, I have to rant. According to the seventh one, socialization determines your sexuality – who knew! And kek at the fact that facing toxic
masculinity growing up isn't male socialization ackshually and that makes him a True and Honest woman. It's also insane to me how so many think them being attracted to lesbians/bisexuals (straight attraction) is somehow "kweer". Let me stop because trying to wrap my head around this is undeniably pointless.
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>going on hormones at 13 so you can brag about your push-up bra in reels 9 years later
Australia is a hell hole
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He either has a micro penis or has had the thing removed and fashioned into a particularly botched rotpocket. Fun fact that I'm sure won't surprise anyone, his dad is z-list television actor Matt Stevens from Australian TV show "Home and Away". It's always "celebrities" trooning their children out obscenely young.
sorry i didnt mean to trigger
your insecurity. i think its a lot of things combined that these morons don't even think to consider. long arms, big fucking mitts, big ass head and wide shoulders. you can even tell in the legs but idk how to describe it. besides, like the other nona said, we don't need to pass. but i'm sure people know you're a woman.
Buck is also being called a TERF
and an autogynephile for being against trans women in women's spaces and for being against transing kids. So yeah. She can come in the bathroom.
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other than the puberty blockers, you can tell next to his dad they are very small slim build for men, which helps a bit when it comes to passing. awful to imagine the botched surgery + dilating so young though. found an article on them and apparently Hyland's dad also wants to help his friend… "Bambi" kek
I like the brand Saalt. They make cups, disks, and underwear. There may be an ad somewhere on the internet that is pro troon, but I searched their site and couldn't find anything. Transgender returns nothing, trans returns "transactional, transfer, and transition (talking about changing to reusable from disposable)" gender returns discussions of gender inequality and how women in less wealthy countries are economically disadvantaged by being forced to stay home.
They do have things about womanhood, vaginas, and no visible men in the pictures (save for a pic of the founder, her husband, her infant son, and her five daughters). They also have a B Corp certification for donations to women's rights orgs if that matters to anyone.
of course everything is filtered and edited to death + surgery but also the classic wide leg stance to give the impression of curves. he is obsessed with bimbofication.
pretty funny tho when these rich puberty blocker troons can afford all the best medical and styling help money can buy and trigger
the majority of trannies into thinking they can look the same with estrogen and drug store eyeliner in their 40s.
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>I was faget all along but I tricked my wife into marrying me and having kids
>and its their fault I couldn't be the faget I always wanted to be
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more crazy trannies wanting to abuse JK
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the guy ran to another subreddit to ask how to respond to the comment lel
You’re either black or biracial
>>1718714>therefore women should have to create a safe haven
Something I read earlier that made me realise this is the default for women, a thread on Twitter where many people said they teach their kids if there's any problem and the kid is lost or in danger, the kid should find another mother with kids and ask them for help (as opposed to the puhleec).
Literally as a woman you are signed up (as far as society is concerned) to shoulder the emotional labour and workload for the rest of society. It's assumed
women will create a safe haven for the needy, hence the incessant demands for it, it's baked into the structure of society. Our unpaid labour is the solution to every problem. Every day in society people expect you to shoulder their burdens, even if you are a total stranger to them.
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I can't get over this troon who is trying to compare himself to having the same experience as a young man who died horrifically in a cave after being trapped for over 24 hours. The lack of self awareness and sympathy truly baffles me.
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"Trans women are harmless they just want to be normal women why are terfs always so mean!!!!" maybe because fetishistic freaks who dress like this
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he looks like he’s wearing a mask of himself kek. and all that surgery for nothing.
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he doesn’t have a vagina, the stink ditch not being big enough isn’t vaginismus.
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This shit has become so common there's a support group for women who's husbands have trooned out. These women call themselves trans widows.https://www.transwidowsvoices.org/>Women in this situation report feeling like their male partner has died. This is particularly the case if their partner or husband came out as trans' and decided to transition. The transformation is usually so complete that their partner is unrecognisable as the man they married, both in looks and in personality. The woman will be forbidden from calling her husband by his previous “dead name”.
I feel EVIL for this because this is a mentally ill person who is suffering but damn it brings me so much joy to read all of that, and I can't help but think "GOOD! HA!"
I feel so bad tho
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The fact that handmaidens shit on those poor women is insane. They literally want to force women to fuck gross troons.
Men are not allowed to harrass women, but the second a man claims is akchualy true and hones lesbian any woman who turns him down is an evil terf
and must be forced to date him. And troons know exactly what a woman is when they want to harass one.
No wonder so many real lesbians pretend to be he/him fakebois or asexuals.
No, don't you dare feel bad for a male troon. You know he hates women and would never feel bad for one. Troons leech off women's sympathy and it needs to stop.
The only troons who deserve sympathy are sad CSA ftm victims
or lesbian ftms.
Don't worry, nona, everyone can tell you're female. I'm taller than basically all men, wear men's clothes literally every day, and it doesn't matter at all. At most, once in a while someone will think I'm trying to be a TIF kek. No one who actually looks at me thinks I'm male. Ever.
That's how I know no one actually believes any of this shit. Everyone can tell your biological sex instantly on sight. Everyone really is just pretending to be retarded. When it's not trendy anymore they'll all stop.
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Nonas who feel bad for troons are so weird
Do you realize this is what troons want?
okay no more stolen pictures from kf
This is basically my take on it, too. The whole "good thing these guys are castrating themselves," is mostly just something I joke about when I'm particularly annoyed at troon behavior.
It's not like these guys are any less likely to rape people anyway, or removing themselves from the gene pool for that matter. Most AGPs either had kids before trooning out or freeze their sperm.
>>1718766>"I don't feel or think I look too different"
Reminder that his is the supposed life saving surgery they clamor for. The frankenstein stitches make me shiver.>>1718770>can't have sex even 2 years post surgery
Another suicide prevented by life saving surgery>"maybe you tense up, look at what cis women do"
lmao a surgically cut up and inverted penis covered in scar tissue doesn't work anything like a vagina. That's like saying he should look up proper dental care for horses to fix having his arm cut off, it's in no way related and he doesn't even have that biology to begin with.
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I was looking through a facebook group and saw this posted. A local shelter organization made more room for men and trannies than they did women. I want to A-log so bad rn.
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Looks like a guy with long hair and makeup to me
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Idk about his own thread but I know he's a topic in the breadtube one. Whilst looking for candids of "Grace" I stumbled across one of his troon model friends who also transitioned extremely young because as stated before Australia is a hell hole. They both have male tells but his friend makes him look so uncanny.
Using Queen Kate Bush for this travesty. Disgusting.
Also all those layers of make up and he still looks basically like a drag queen. I wonder what it must be like to have to spend an hour just doing make up to look like a somewhat passable 'female'. Imagine.
yeah i watched it again, i guess its true what they say a troon has to 'perform' as a woman putting effort and thought into it, like in that video he is clearly moving awkwardly, he is clearly moving in a way he thinks women move.
Where as a woman just is, effortlessly
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>>1718876>you'd look retarded irl calling that person male
It's not retarded to call a literal male person male, what are you on about?
If they truly passed and you honestly didn't know they were male then sure, or if they're acting and you're referring to the role (such as a drag queen) rather than the person - then sure call him she/her if you want. But if you know it's a boy in a costume and you're talking about him as a male person there's no real reason to call him anything but he/him. Calling him she is just indulging in their attempt at denying biology and promoting rigid gender roles that say makeup and a dress actually literally makes him a biological female and therefore female pronouns should be used. It started with "just use these pronouns to be nice, that's all we want" and now they're actively censoring the word "woman" and cutting off body parts of mentally ill children and teens. It's not as simple and harmless as it seems nona.
Do you think there are genuine 'transgenders', as in people who truly are stuck as the opposite sex, as now I am unsure?
What strikes me is how much the trans community has changed compared to 10 years ago when I thought I was a TIF and was involved in it, back then you had to seek the community out now it is shoved in everyones faces all the time.
Back then it was full of people saying dont transition unless you are sure, saying that 'it wasn't for everyone'. People asking 'how do I know if I am a cis person who thinks they are trans or a trans person who is cis' with people responding not to transition until they were sure.
But now it feels like the trans commuinty is insane. 'You like pink, time to lop of those testes and take these pills that cause bowel upset, erectile dysfunction and infertility', 'You have short hair and wear trousers time to lop off those breasts and take these pills that will grow your clitoris, cause baldness and stop your period'.
It's true what people say its more like a fandom now.
Going back to my question, I went back and lurked on some of the old forums that I used to go to and now it feels like they aren't really trans, they want to be transgenders not women or men that the transgender identity is the goal now. On those forums it seems the majority were talking as if this was the goal and that it was a recent descion triggered by porn or anime and only a tiny tiny handful were saying how they wished they were born as the opposite gender and how they had felt this way their entire life, which was the opposite to what it was 10 years ago.
Sorry for the long post but to me as someone who was, when they were a confused teenager, 'part' of the community I can understand what it has become and what has happened to it.
a lot of it comes from this societal expectation to be the most stereotypical version of your sex. feminine men, especially gay or bi men, delude themselves into thinking theyre women, or failed men and vice versa for masculine women.
if everyone accepted that men and women come in a diverse array of versions and not this autismgender girlboygender stupid shit we wouldnt be laughing at pornsick narcs waving their botches crotch nubbins on reddit but here we are
I don't really get the nitpicking of these kinds of photos since they are so heavily edited and filtered so there is no point. And he only ever stands next to other males.
In some of the candid shots you can see masculine facial features and broad shoulders etc. but he generally still passes better than most because of transitioning at such a young age. Still male though and that will become more apparent as he ages.
how would that even work? it sounds like religious woowoo. like other nonas have said - you ARE your body. Your mind, your brain, every cell in your body is one. You can develop mental health disorders that make you feel
dysphoric or disembodied. these dissociative disorders are usually brought on by trauma but can also be encouraged by things like social contagions and other environmental factors. grounding yourself in reality is the best approach - not feeding delusions and feeling more and more disconnected.
ofc there are trannies suffering from crippling dysphoria, but transing them will never be the correct therapy. it is only pushed because you can make massive profits of the mentally ill and sometimes do a little eugenics on autistic and gnc people.
all trutrannies become tired of their own larp, either by detransing or just accepting the life-long mistake (see blaire white and buck angel)
I think there can be a disconnect between sex characteristics and gender identity based on neurological miswiring; this is gender dysphoria, and it's something that has been in the DSM for years.
I also think there are just as many, if not more, people who take into account personal hobbies, fetishes, peer pressure, or trauma affecting sexual development when deciding to transition when they absolutely shouldn't. As an example, gender non-conformity being conflated with being non-binary has done irreparable damage to actual GNC people by giving the message that if one doesn't fall into a strict set of gender stereotypes, they cannot be just a GNC man/woman, but instead must be trans. This type of person is called an "egg", and TRAs will do everything they can to "crack" it (read: pressure them into "realising" they are trans).
Another example stems from wanting to escape individual issues; in an culture where the idea of sex and healthy relationships seems to be increasingly warped, many peoples' ideas of the opposite sex are overtly idealised, with the understanding that said opposite sex is seen as "having it easier" or "being more desired". Add poor self-esteem or a sex target misfire (AGP/AAP) into the mix and you have a sure-fire cocktail of going trans.
One thing that also cannot be understated is the link between autism and being trans, plus the large numbers of teenagers involved, which leads to a high prevalence of black-and-white thinking. When this data is brought into the the real world, the effects includes a community that tends to uncritically affirm transitioning while actively hiding and suppressing studies and side effects that go against the narrative.
I'm going to go against the grain and say there are a select few, but they are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the current population. Then again, even if that is that case, do we let anorexia patients starve?
I used to think the same way too but now I can't see any evidence for it. There are academic papers highlighting the link between higher/lower testosterone levels and transgenderism, but not everyone with said imbalance is trans. There is no clear "point" when you become trans, let alone today where it's completely accepted you don't have to experience dysphoria at all to be trans and it all means nothing. It has become an simple identity which anyone anywhere can identify as at any time.
I myself and others have what some might consider "dysphoria". What TRAs fail to take into consideration, however, is that there are societal factors and pressure against the marginalized i.e. women. >>1718951
Honestly, this nona said it better than I ever could including some things I need to take into account tbh
I don't get this "miswiring" when gender is a made-up social construct. I can see how people are genetically pre-disposed to feel dysphoric (body dysmphoria, anorexia, OCD relating to the body etc.) and that absolutely includes dysphoria to sexual organs. I also think many people go through a mild phase of this during puberty. I know I did up until my twenties. I also see that these are exacerbated by external factors like beauty standards and social contagions.
But none of these other dysphoric conditions have treatments that involve physically altering your body and changing actual policies and laws to not only accommodate the patient but demand that everyone else adapts to them (at many people's detriment) for the patient's benefit.
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you really don't notice anything weird for example in that back area, lmao?
Same OP as before. Just wanted to add before I reply, another factor of the trans pipeline and medical journal stuff is the pharma lobby. This is obvious to anyone with two braincells to rub together.
Transness is one of the only oppressed classes one can identify into, and with how lax the entry requirements for the trans* umbrella nowadays, there are a good chunk of people who want to take advantage of that. As for a lot of the social accommodations, say, in sports or bathrooms, it's delulu, or worse, selfish people.
I agree, the tone here implies (intentionally or not) that gender is at least somewhat naturally occurring. Femininity and masculinity are in no way inherent to any people. They are collections of several personality traits and stylistic choices that are designed to disempower women¹ and empower men², not natural features of human beings. People's personalities and interests aren't determined at birth to begin with, those things are largely shaped by external factors such as family, environment, culture, opportunities, and random chance.
I'm also not a huge fan of the implication that women thinking men have it better is comparable to men thinking women have it better. Men objectively do have it better in the vast majority of the world, excluding the rare scattered matriarchal cultures where women rule, but women and men are mostly equal. Most places in the world have longstanding violent patriarchal cultures. Women are oppressed. This isn't natural or fair, and it certainly doesn't mean that women are lesser (if anything, it could imply female superiority) but it's true.
¹Waste time and money to remove all of your body hair, wear toxic
chemicals on your face, waste significant time and money on extensive beauty routines, wear shoes that limit your mobility, wear false nails that make using your hands more difficult, wear clothes that are more difficult to move in and more likely to expose you, keep your hair at an impractical length, serve others instead of yourself at all times, keep yourself thin and weak, learn skills that are primarily useful for pleasing others, be docile, take up little space, etc
²Don't waste time or money removing your body hair, don't wear toxic
chemicals on your face, don't waste significant time or money on extensive beauty routines, wear shoes that don't limit your mobility, don't wear false nails that make using your hands more difficult, wear practical clothes that are easier to move in and don't risk exposing you, keep your hair at a practical length, serve yourself instead of others at all times, keep yourself big and strong, learn skills that are practical for both personal life and your career, be headstrong, take up as much space as you need, etc
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What trans ideology is doing is saying stereotypes IS what makes you male/female - not biology. In reality a man who is soft, loves pink, dresses and makeup is exactly the same amount of man as a man who is an aggressive hairy bodybuilder. Neither of them are more male than the other, neither is less male - because being a man in not a spectrum. And neither of them are more or less female than the other - because as men they're not women. The only thing that differs are their personal traits, and all traits are neutral. Those neutral traits of our brains are often more common in one sex and that's why we think of them as masculine or feminine, but they're never exclusive to one sex.
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ROT POCKET WARNING
that doesn’t look right, does it?
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mass tranny death soon
Please understand that I am not trying to say femininity nor masculinity are naturally occurring, but when social conditioning is involved one may seek to conform to the stereotypes of the opposite sex as a substitute or supplement for alleviating genital dysphoria. I'm not saying it is good or right, but I am stating what is likely.
Furthermore, I am not implying that a man thinking women have it better vs a woman thinking men have it better are comparable in any shape or way, but I am saying that from the individual perspective of a persons' life, that being heavily warped, it may seem that way.
When a man sees a woman as fuckable, he desires her, and sees her as desirable, even if it's only as a sex object. He assumes women have it on easy mode because he desires women, refusing to acknowledge the hardships and dangers that exist from being born female.
With a woman, quite frankly, there are massive social benefits of being a male over being a female (!). However, I would not be lying if I said a lot of FtMs also project heavily onto primarily male-centric media, shonen or BL media being public offender number one, which also present an idealised view of manhood (freedom, coolness, a sick friend group etc. OR sex on equal terms, being hot, a stable relationship etc.) That being said, refusing to challenge stereotypes or work to change sex-based systems of oppression and discrimination, instead deciding to take the easy way out by transition, is not a working long-term solution. It'll only lead to more hurt.
>>1719005>He assumes women have it on easy mode because he desires women, refusing to acknowledge the hardships and dangers that exist from being born female.
Very well put, I feel troons and incels spout this nonsense that women have life on easy mode and that women don't see ugly men as people and tif aidens deserve to suffer when they find being a man hard.
The truth is that these troons and incels only care about attractive women they look at the top 1% who are beautiful and confident they are guilty of what they acuse women of, they only care about most attractive women and refuse to awknowlage ugly ones as human
Probably they will blame the doctors and politicians that alowed this to happen
They will scream 'how did you let us destroy ourselves' even thought they were the ones who demanded it to be this way
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Men will sooner hire a man than a strong woman. We still couldn’t have bank accounts on our own in the 70’s but trannies were already stealing jobs from us. Remember this when they claim to be marginalised.
Definitely, more so than the rest. What I mean is it'll be a "everyone enabled and manipulated us and look what happened" scenario that will turn into a complete shitshow>>1719023
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men (and the occasional TIF) are semi-harassing Jadzia Dax's, a character from Star Trek, actor for liking Ricky Gervais. if you know anything about her character and the insufferable TRA-infested side of the Trek fandom you'll know why this prob feels like a hate crime to them. this moid >>1717837
and many more like him named themselves after her kek
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Is James Charles a tranny or is this just clickbaiting info we already knew aka he is gay?
it also pisses me off how MRAs say we "dug our own grave" with anything that can be categorised as "woke". No, this isn't because of feminism (which is literally FOR women) it's MEN who pushed for this and women are expected to bear the burden/shut up and take it. Handmaidens pander but it's men who caused this. We are conditioned to be 100% caring to any and all of men's demands and delusions and anytime we push back it results in violent threats.
Like you say, it's also on MEN that they can't accommodate different kinds of men. Failed men are not women and they need to take ownership. An actual positive men's movement would be centred around this and confronting their obsession with man = 100% masculinity. Seems to be going the opposite way though so I'm sure that will work out well…
Legitimate question, but what do you think the reactions of handmaidens will be at that point? Silence and moving on to whatever next thing will earn them some kind of validation? It always feels like a lot of them are the same keyboard warriors who were all about feminism and girl power!! in the 2010s but then never actually did anything more than wearing a shirt that said “ovaries before brovaries” on it (which they’ve probably burned now since wearing it would make them a terf
I am happy it was of help Nonny
, I was genuinely curious as to what others felt as certain thoughts had returned.
It's too big of a problem for handmaidens. The issue of a massive amount of men irreversibly castrating themselves and their children is going to be a hard issue to fix. Some doctors will work on something for a decade but mainly they will be left to die out. Handmaidens will react to it like social media leftists and soft feminists react to all big issues (climate, employment, the state of our political systems, homelessness, ect). They will early in platform two or three people who are saying they ate doing something (these people will never make headway) then it will go quite. Any time the issue is brought up they will yell about all the problems again then go back to doing nothing. They will never, ever, admit to being a part of all of it unless they have to and if they have to they will focus on how everyone was duped by some "scientist" or "doctor".
It is the most polite way to say that you don't really care to inconvenience yourself over an issue that you don't think matters or affects you. Trannies may seem to have power now, but when the work of advocacy becomes more then "post this picture on IG" "stand in this mob of people on your off day and get day drunk with friends while feeling like you did something", when it becomes having to sacrifice or make changes it will all fall apart.
It may seem like a billion people are trans because they are all terminally only but trans people are only like 5% of the population and most TIFs aren't going to go out of their way to fight for "reparations". They will go softy into that good night and try and do the best with what they have left. Meanwhile letting 3,000 dickless men cry about how they ruined their lives on Dr Phil.
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checked up on "mama hart" , he's gotten even worse
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how can anybody look at this man and think "wow, stunning and brave" .
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Kek he genuinely looked like a tomboy then as opposed to a tranny here >>1718882
Might be the bad pic quality though.
The "tomboy" look is way cuter imo. Many of the non rapey tims and tifs alike could rock a gnc look but I guess mutilation, sci-fi delusions and being extra special is just way more important.
I also never understood this obsession with their partners sexuality, like honestly who gives a shit about pronouns I will happily call people whatever as long as they arent dicks, but why would a guy be obsessed with dating straight men or lesbians? Just weird
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something i'm noticing about early trooners is they have extreme small faces or heads, it's like their head never grows or their face never grows in correctly. Like how Jazz Jennings head literally holds none of the fat on his poor body. Even his arms are weirdly slim while his huge moobs and belly make him look like he wobbles. Tim Petras has the same thing as well, it's very subtle in some early trooners but their faces look undeveloped which probably because they are.
Also white, i don't want to get banned for this but seriously, it seems like white men troon out the most on their wives/gf's and become "transbiens" with other troons. I suggest if you are dating a white male with these traits just return to sender. Non-white scrotes usually turn out to be the chaser and/or just become a "woman" all togeather and just larp as a "Straight woman" to get with other men)
This is what I have seen
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They always look like little boys with boobs. There's something pedophilic about it
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I wonder how he’s doing
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>Thread is about ugly bdsm porn brain rotted people
>This is TRANSPHOBIC HOW DARE YOU ATTACK TRANSWOMEN LIKE THIS!!!
They know the truth and just tripped themselves up kek
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another tiktok moid comes out as a “transwoman” and immediately adopts the dead agp glare. why do they think this makes them look more feminine?
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i hope i dont get crucified for this take but if someone actually makes the effort to present as a woman and is actually diagnosed with the mental illnesses associated with being trans and i respect them i will use their preferred pronouns. it just so happens that majority now are pushing disgusting agendas and are not respectable whatsoever. they're literally going backwards with their activism and making it so much more hatable and YES i do hate majority of trooners especially when they're invading female spaces. they will never be real women and i'll be blatantly clear about that if anyone asks my opinion
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this is a good point nona but i'm thinking of trooners such as blaire white. she recognises her mental health issues and the realities of being a tranny, and if i were to see her on the street i'd assume she was a woman. these types are very few and far between though and as i said i'd only be nice if i respect them and they respect that they will never experience life as a real woman or experience actual female struggles
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I implore any actual woman and not a trolling tranny to take their shirt off, lean very slightly back and tell me they have this deep indentation at the spine and large shoulderblades. This pose is easy for a ciswoman but since men have larger bones and straighter backs, he is straining to do such a simple pose hence the deep indentation. He is also clearly not muscular so a muscular woman is not a fair comparison.
I swear it's trannies who post here with the "aktually I look like this" since actually, you don't, unless you have body dysmorphia and imagining things. Though most people have shit anatomy perception and knowledge so I understand the confusion, but I'm suspicious especially when that's not even what GNC means, GNC refers to personality/interests/styling etc, not actual body parts.
Exactly. I’m less interested in this thread as a phrenological breakdown of male vs female spine indentation, and more as a place to kek at retard pervo troons. We know trannies try to get us to denigrate other women as some kind of TERF
own, and it’s just not worth engaging in. Those models represent a tiny fraction of any population and are heavily photomanip’d, its really irrelevant if you could clock some complete no name based off of their arched back. Fact remains troons are brain damaged coomers whether they can sometimes on rare occasions “trick” us physically, or not
>>1719440>i'd assume she was a woman.
he's hiding behind a dozen or so filters kek
Sue Lighting and Blaire both look like gollums in candid photos.
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Now I know you trolling
KEK real women just won't show up
It's going to be like in the 50s, lesbians are going to be an underground hated community secretly gathering in quiet places.
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nice granny swimsuit
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nice cock bro
Women's swimsuits look hideous on troons as they were not designed for male body.
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Troons calling us "chuds" will never not be funny
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You reminded me of this comic, where they expect a mommydom to do all the feminization shit for them and they can just relax and coom with prostate orgasms
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another angle of gramps
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I can't find pictures of him(I remember seeing it) but he was featured in an article about art sexual politics
>DeviantArt is perhaps the biggest art community in the world and this is where you will find many of the artists dealing with contemporary issues surrounding gender fluidity. 'The Chosen One' takes the traditional Superman myth and subverts it, the powerful male ideal of the superhero, turned on its head, using the conventions of a media normally associated with teenage boys. In a few panels, the artist behind KannelArt, has unpicked a deeply engrained male mythology and shown us an alternative, shape shifting superpower. What is perhaps the most interesting issue here is the rise of platforms like DeviantArt, which I believe foreshadow the eventual death of the old art market and the rise of more democratic art forms. Things have changed a lot since my old tutor at art college caught me drawing a comic strip and took the piss out of me for being such a 'silly boy'. An awareness of audience is not just the preserve of graphic designers and illustrators, it would seem to me to be fundamental to any form of communication, and if fine art is to maintain any form of relevance to society it will have to continue to evolve and embrace the many and various forms that contemporary visual communication is made in.
This is not a candid, it's clearly retouched. The flowers in the background look sloppily color-corrected, for starters. A picture being on someone else's account doesn't automatically make it candid.>>1719612
You're being ridiculous. They shooped out their male features, and people aren't going to clock them from their backs, ffs. If I saw this out of context, I'd just think it was two rando women on Insta with too much makeup and too much shoop.
"Passing" in a still, edited image or a carefully posed video with Meitu filters doesn't mean shit. It's okay to acknowledge that some of these dumb tricks work, because the important thing is that none of these idiots "pass" in real life.
No. Your brain and your body literally developed together from the same DNA. There is no such thing as ladybrains or manbrains; the differences in behavior between the sexes are a product of socialization, which literally begins before the baby is even born.
Performing cosmetic procedures on a healthy body just to enable someone's delusions is medical opportunism and antithetical to the Hippocratic oath. We don't give lipo to anorexics because they're "trapped" in bodies that aren't thin enough. We don't give terminal illnesses to munchies because they're "trapped" in healthy bodies. Why the fuck are we enabling this one
mental illness with surgery? It's logically inconsistent.
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he was bimbofied from touching an alien baby?
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I can tell you've never been on DeviantArt, these "tg transformation comics" have been a thing since the early 2010's, I used to be into narusasu and would occasionally see these on related artworks
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those trannies look like total trannies, deal with it, take your body dysmorphia somewhere else. like what do you expect this thread to be, constant radfem discussions and not a gossip site where you can call a tranny looking tranny a tranny looking tranny? look at that fucking neck(nitpicking, derail)
Bring up how they fetishize being pregnant and giving birth - but rarely ever being a mother or raising children. There are silicone babies they push up their butts to "give birth" to them, it's clearly not got anything to do with wanting a real child. A lot of them CAN have children if they actually wanted to by just impregnating a woman - only like 20% have srs and the rest keep their dicks.
And then tell her how those troons then infiltrate support groups meant for women who can't have their own children for different medical reasons. While again, they still CAN have their own children.
And how they walk around women's changing rooms with their dicks out, and even when they have erections around children it's the women who complain who get thrown out and the troon gets to stay. Or if they have massive fetish gear silicone breastplates with nipples poking out the school will defend them to death and let them stay around teen girls and boys who say it makes them uncomfortable.
Moms are protective of their children, and they know men aren't to be trusted around them. Once they realize troons ARE just men in a dress they'll understand exactly what's going on.
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it goes even further back, they did the agp pervert stuff even back in 1930
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nona, do you know where this excert is from?
for all german nonas, heres a 1930s lesbian complaining about TIMs
Trans fatties really haven't learned anything since Rylan?
Sucks to be mental
calling me that because that's something you will never have? lol
also kinda borderline misogynist to imply that you gotta act certain way to be a real woman, how would you feel if people said something about i don't know wide shoulders not being feminine.
like how can you seriosuly start whining about people calling obvious male hips and shoulders male hips and shoulders and act wounded and hurt as if that has anything to do with wide shouldered women etc how it is misogynist and nitpicking to expect women to look certain way (female) and then turn around and be like "if you don't act like a hysteric prey animal that takes everything personally in the most stereotypical female way possible" that means you are a man.
Most troons don't pass, particularly mtfs. But sometimes, just sometimes, they do. And when this happens, nitpicking so hard in an desperate effort to make them "clockable" ends up hurting all women. Rarely, you have to admit that some – shit, FEW
– troons pass; it doesn't invalidate our movement when this happens, and clocking them certainly isn't the foundation of it. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
NTA but tranny hands wrote this.
Also fuck off if you are going to keep infighting and polluting the thread.
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you are literally a man what the fuck are you talking about
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My bad- the picture didn't attach and I can't delete this for some reason.
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whenever i read their posts without a pic i can already tell hes gonna look like the left, so fucking predictable. i hate that flatironed hair that middle aged men do to ‘de-age’ themselves, you’re not fooling anyone troon
Bimbofication comics makes me see red every single time. Dissecting it doesn't even matter, it's obvious they are misogynistic and don't see women beyond appearances, clothes, hair, etc.
Bomus points when it's a white man becoming a tan/woc
eith racialized features. Beyond disgusting.
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This is what I'm talking about, front page of itch io too
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saw this interaction on FB and had a hearty kek at the Juggalo handmaiden
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if it was the 2010s these guys would just be creepy old emo dudes. their flat iron hair and make up is really no different - especially when they try to copy the goth e-girl look kek.
I used to believe in the "trapped in the wrong body" thing too, but the best way I've seen it described is that people are born as bodies and not in them. Everyone only has access to their own internal world so while a male can pursue a male idea of what a woman's internal world might be he has no way of verifying that it is accurate. He has no way to access the female internal world as all the conscious and outward aspects of it are downstream from the underlying chemical, genetic and subconscious elements.
Even transition itself isn't an accurate term. It's just mimicry. Without biological women mimics have no reference point whereas if it was truly innate a female culture would develop even in groups that were entirely male and had never encountered women.
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how does one person become too fat to have rolls. he looks like a smushed loaf of bread
Telling a schizophrenic people their hallucinations and totally real and valid
. Giving a drug addict drugs because it's the only thing that will make their dysphoria go away. Encouraging plastic surgery for someone with body dysmorphia. It can be compared to any mental illness. The funny thing is, troonism is the only mental illness where the "treatment" is giving into the thing that is causing the other person distress. I can't think of any other condition or illness where you give someone the thing their body THINKS they need.
wow I wish I could find a peaked therapist, without having to find out the awkward way one way or another. I feel like so many women are made to feel mad or threatened to the point of despair in this climate so a directory of TERF
therapists would be amazing.
nothing is more pathetic than them trying to "inverse" things as a gotcha
like when they think they're doing something by asking an obvious real woman her pronouns, it just shows their insecurities
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The audio used for the video is “proud to be a man on a day like this.” So basically, they want all of the good parts of being a woman but expect none of the bad experiences?
As a Britbonger, the bit around 2:23, this one particular bit where he's reading the list of all those dead trans people and how they died stands out for me. Most of these dead trannies are from places you'd expect, like Brazil, Colombia, etc. They're all in their twenties and usually have a glamorous headshot photo to accompany them. But then this one.
>No picture>Name unknown>Age 12>Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire (United Kingdom)>Suicide, 6 Feb 2022
It's odd to me. It just seems sus that they have no name, no picture yet they know for definite that this hypothetical dead child was totally transgender and they definitely killed themselves.
Also, the way Jessie Gender pronounces 'Milton Keynes' with his ignorant burger mouth is amusing.
I think it was a few months ago that they were having trouble with the whole "Terf
Island" thing and trying to prove JK Rowling was a terrible murderer because sites like mumsnet would point out no trans person had actually been murdered in the UK over like 3 years. So they gotta get the stats up somehow I guess.
Google tells me a 12 year old schoolboy in Milton Keynes did kill himself after being bullied at school, supposedly for being trans.
There's also, amusingly, another news story about a tranny in juvie doing a flip off a roof after the other scrotes refused to pretend he was a real girl, but he didn't die, he just ended up paralysed below the waist.
In his porn-addled mind, he thinks they're doing it because their goth gfs would be so attracted to him that if they don't hold onto them, they'll swarm him.
In reality, it's just men being protective of their girlfriends from a creepy looking rape-ape.
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retarded interaction on tiktok.
‘garfy boy’ had some stupid fucking he/vamp/faggot neopronouns and was incessantly commenting that she was a terf on a post that said NOTHING about trooners
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ofc, it's a transbian who posted this. Knew it even before seeing his transbian user flair:https://archive.ph/8h242
Mine is also based as hell, she rolls her eyes when we talk about tranny shit and she keeps saying how no one can research shit like anxiety or depression if we can't acknowledge there's only two genders or sex idk what it's in english, but she told me the same about the term terf
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>>1719967>what's a chud
so basically there's this podcast hosted by gross leftist coomers called chapotraphouse and they had this joke to call rightwingers a made up slur and they choose the title of a bad 80's horror film, where chud stood for Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller, originally it was meant as a half ironic joke
this term became common lexicon on their subreddit, r/chapotraphouse which also had a history of raiding other subreddits and online spaces, eventually chud started being used unironically in other "dirtbag left" spaces like commie twitter, bunkerchan and leftypol
its incredibly cringe inducing IRL
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yeah there on the flipside is an illness where people feel their limbs dont belong to them or even their senses and actively try to amputate themselves or take those senses. theres this old video of a lady putting drain cleaner into her eyes cus she identified as a blind person and she went through it and now her eyes are leaking all the time because of the damage.
all bodily dysphoria is either a crippling mental illness or someone mistaking being unattractive and feeling bad about it with dysphoria.
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said. It's not about whether the TIM is nice or not, they all believe in the same concept that they are any kind of woman when they aren't and by going along with it, you're just enabling the mental illness/delusion and cosigning their self-destruction. Because even if they don't get the rot-pocket surgery, the HRT is destroying their bodies as well giving them early onset osteoporosis, increased blood pressure which leads to cardiovascular problems, and even kidney failure. And if we want to regain our spaces back as well as ensure a future for the women and girls who come after us to not have to go through having TIMs being in our spaces, we have to push back at all of them.
It would be one thing if TIMs like Blaire were advocating for their own spaces and telling other TIMs to stop invading ours but he's not doing that and so the point remains. Treat them all the same by not believing they are any kind of woman because they aren't and never will be. Also >>1719638
is correct that Blaire hides behind a ton of filters and IRL he doesn't look like how he does in his videos and photos (picrel and yes, that's after his "FFS")
and thats still more valid
cause shes actually transitioned into being blind. a man is still a man
yeah it is valid
, that's what i'm saying. it's an illness where ppl deliberately cripple themselves because of their delusion. being trans used to fall into that category now it doesn't anymore but wrongfully so, it's batshit insane to chop your tits or chode off if you aren't happy with it. there should be more action be taken towards resolving those delusions rather than indulging them. pretty sure the person who did the drain cleaner into the ladies eyes got his medical license revoked but it's been a while since i've read up on that
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Tranny (mtf) gets mad a sex therapist talks about sex addiction. Then goes to r/JustUnsubbed for asspats about "sex therapist lying about addiction" only to have them tell him it is a real thing
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62 yo man with the soul of a 13 year old girl.
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This. Even the early transitioners already know their fate, they just do all this sperging at women to try and distract themselves. Imagine having to look up to pic related and Jazz Jennings, knowing that actual girls/women can grow into "graceful old lady" types whenever (or at least they won't be seen as men), but for you, it's a period of being a skinny gay boy in heavy makeup (and passing, mostly), followed by becoming a rectangular, blobby drag parody, all because of your male bone structure and fat. Even being super skinny as an adult does nothing but bring attention to how different your build is from a woman's. Hunter Schaefer is seen as a success story, but he literally just looks like a teenage boy with tits. That's the best that can be done. This probably sounds really harsh, but the more I think about it, the more sad it actually gets.
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"children" are just social constructs, according to this TIM.
someone said that males are attracted to boobs, not women, holes, not vagina and sometimes I actually feel like troons cannot see the bigger picture, just a set of visuals. They look at Him Petras and see boobs, moobs but to them they are boobs, even if they are in different zip codes. Long hair, even if it is fried and mostly extensions and his hairline is fucked. The clothes are cute or nostalgic but they never fit, his voice is that of a gay boy who never had his balls drop, he is a fucking eunuch that sings about fucking and sluts and is being produced by a fucking sex criminal but that is just a hot pop star to them, not a fridge shaped, woman hating, never sex having eunuch faggot.
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Remember to apologize when your dog assumes someone's gender.
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Another based TERF
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Yep, that is what he looks like before he puts on his eyeliner and false lashes and then cranks up his filming filter app to like 11.
This was taken back in 2018, months after he had his FFS and he made a guest appearance on some makeup artist's IG and the artist didn't film with a filter which gave a glimpse into what Blaire actually looks like. Picrel is the finished look but as you can see, looks more drag queenish doesn't it? kek
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i was searching for other dog posts in trans subs and this reply on one post made me chuckle
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apparently theres drama on ttttrans about whether or not the one and only mod is really a tranny, or a cis woman thats 'suspiciously well versed on rad feminism'. theyre whining about wanting a real troon as mod. its like a parody i swear to fucking god
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he is very much real I'm afraid. he refers to himself as a feminist and is an officer for his local WOMEN'S Labour Party group. he also founded a trans organisation he named after himself.
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One of my faves from years ago anon
OH MY GOD KEKKKKKK nonnie
please if you see this i love you so fucking much u made my night
unsurprisingly zero self reflection on the troons' part. based terf
mod keep them insecure and malding queen
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Willyboy is at it again.
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I mean, they take a medication that stops their puberty; nothing grows when/how it should>>1719401>another tiktok moid comes out as a “transwoman” and immediately adopts the dead agp glare. why do they think this makes them look more feminine?
Because they all think like picrel that:> The barest essentials of femaleness are
an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes (Andrea Long Chu, American transwoman and author of “Females: A Concern”)>>1719430
nona wtf no
love yourself and don't give into men's demands