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No. 409512

A containment thread for all the salty artfags of lotsoflovecow.farm!
- Ask about art supplies, but not too often as it will make the digital artists ree
- Discuss grievances about the art tuber community, but don’t be fooled by any that come to ask for our opinion; they will throw a shit fit because they work oh so hard and we’re oh so mean (but also we’re just haters haha :) so our opinions don’t bother them)
- Waffles may never be criticised because she has an illness and sick people cant be bullied on imageboards
- Everyone is beautiful and we are above the discussion of appearance unlike the other nonnies!
- Yes, we’re all sick of Arteza and SkillShare.

No. 409514

Shit I forgot to link the last thread

No. 409519

A+ thread description anon

No. 409530

10/10 thread description, anon.
Kasey Golden is such an ugly person. Not even talking about her face here. Her personality is rotten to the core. I bet she will try and keep this fire going for as long as she possibly can just for the attention and "these haters keep trying to bring me down but I don't care haha :):):))):):):)):)::):):):):):) please believe me how much I genuinely don't care hahahahahaha :):):)::):):):)"

I wonder if any of the profilic art tubers will stand up in public against Kasey or if they will all just show their undying support to her just because she has almost 1 million subs.

No. 409533

Kasey “Super Sketcher” Colon also has drawn an obscene amount of dog dicks for a children’s entertainer .

No. 409534

I know vivzipop is in the last thread, but she cant take criticism at all. no mater how constructive, if anyone dares to criticize her instant block. i wonder if when hazbin hotel gets greenlit or whatever shell pull a ''muh haterz" card

No. 409535

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Tried finding anything on the holtby artist, I'd say it's possibly this one guy since that T could be a J instead. James Hamilton Holtby.
Kasey should contact the resources listed on the site because apparently they keep an extensive paper trail on artists in Canada.

No. 409537

Damn it, meant John, not James lmao

No. 409538

I’m disappointed but not at all surprised by Adam and Steph being on her side during this (even though she herself doesn’t seem to care very much about them), but I’m so severely disappointed in FurryLittlePeach kissing her ass. She’s an industry professional but lately she seems to be acting more and more like a youtuber rather than illustrator but it just seems so lacking in foresight to not stay out of youtube drama when you’ve made a name for yourself already within the art industry (especially if you’re doing children’s books, publishers are very picky)

No. 409547

I hate when they use white as the hair highlight like their hair has high shine gloss poured over it

The style is just so fugly in both, but especially the right. And the shading and way they drew it makes the right tit look way bigger than the left

No. 409558

You're highkey wrong
Kasey would never say "please"

No. 409583

I think what bothers me the most about Kasey is that she just can't fucking apologize for anything or admit she did something wrong. Doesn't help she is surrounded by fans and other youtubers enabling her telling her she didn't do anything wrong. It is all just fueling her already inflated ego.

No. 409595

I wonder how far all the people defending Kasey would be ready to take their "it's alright to recycle old art" attitude?

Would it be okay for me to take someone else's song, use the composition but rewrite the lyrics and call it collab song? Would it be okay if I did it to some unknown artist's song since hey no one cares about those thrift store painters? Could I take a comic book, scan it and redraw the characters as my ocs and call it collab comic?

Where's the line here

No. 409601

The line is Kasey's a famuss utuber and has a corral of young/immature fans on standby to kiss her ass at all times, thereby leading to her inflated sense of selfworth. She's not much different than most other normal "o wow look at mi so relateable public anxiETY never leave the house XD soooo quirky!!" youtubers tbh, except she slaps cheap imitations of over the garden wall style characters on paper then sells them for 100 bucks a pop.

No. 409606

Let's be real if some no name art channel bought some of Kasey's originals and drew all over them because they were boring the way the were, the shitstorm would be raging until the end of time.

No. 409607

i kinda want this, though. and every vid with a face cam has that picture in it. i mean, they collabed with Kasey Golden! wouldnt you want to have that in your bg too? bffs for life!

No. 409611

oh this is a good idea, some originals are up in her shop i might do it.

No. 409612

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All thats missing is a passive aggressive "haha :)"

No. 409613

Kasey is a master at hypocrisy. It's funny how she essentially tells people "don't say anything if you have nothing nice to say" but then proceeds to shit on artist icons like bob ross on his birthday and then draws over someone else's painting from how many years ago. Oh and not to forget how she calls every art that's not cartoons boring but then gets salty when people ask her to draw something else other than cartoons all the time.

No. 409616

Honestly her art is pretty boring. In that tryhard quirky 'haha boobs, butts and dog dicks, i don't care, haha :) ' sort of way. And all she does is complain. She didn't used to be THAT sour. She used to gripe every now and then and be mindful of her negativity, but now it's on full display every time she wants to say something.

No. 409617

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Yes because it's only AFTER you drew all over their paintings you want to contact them.

No. 409619

And not only that but specifically because she got backlash.

Do you think she would give two fucks if no one or just a small percentage of people were outraged?

Painfully obvious this is just damage control.

But hey that's just the 'opinion' of a 'hater' right Kasey "always right no regerts" Golden?

No. 409621

I'm looking on twitter and apart from a couple of tweets I'm not finding much hate there. The youtube comments against her on this are mostly "Kasey ily but this video made me uncomfortable plz dont hate me!"
Is she talking about us when she says haters?
Oh god let that be true, it would be hilarious and more Cow-like than most artubers haha, keep on feeding us Mistress Kasey! We hunger for your nummy haha childish behavior and :) passive aggressiveness!

No. 409629

If she's so convinced that she did nothing wrong why is she desperately trying to find this artist? I thought the haterz lost?

No. 409631

Yeah, her comparing it to being like the Campbell brother's painting over Hitler's work and that somehow made what Kasey did okay was just….ehhhhhh
Like, you know they intended to deface Hitler's art, that they intended disrespect. Why would you try to bring it up as support for Kasey. It's just a strange comparison, even if you do think it's fin to paint over thrift store paintings

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Not many people calling her out in her community post on YouTube, but the ones who do get a :) passive :) aggressive :) smiley face :):):):)

The girl calling her out is right on the money

No. 409634

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Also this one

No. 409636

As tempting as it is, please don't do it, anon. The only thing that will come out of it is giving her more attention and money.

No. 409639

>stop correctly assuming things about me it hurts my babba feewings and makes me angwy grr :((!!

Legit this would have blown over in the first 24 hours if she just acted like the 30 year old she is and acknowledged she did an oopsie. The drama to me was stupid and weak, the way she's acting however- haha :)

No. 409640

you shouldnt. youll just be giving her moneny and fuelling her

>uwu :):):) i did nothing nothing wrong :):):)


No. 409644

Ikr, like maybe, kasey, instead of trying so hard to convince yourself that you're right, you'd just admit you fucked up, 'cause man you're projecting hard here.

No. 409663

Exactly. She'll never admit she was wrong publicly and you would just make her $100 (or however much she charges for originals) richer.

No. 409693

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I love her artwork but why oh why does she have to be so fucking trashy

No. 409694

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And what the fuck are ‘genderfluid’ cats supposed to be?? Do they meow like boy cats one day and girl cats the next lmao

No. 409698

Okay, first of all: why did you make me see this with my own two eyes
Second of all: holy triple chin batman
Lastly: who is this? Are we supposed to recognize her on sight?

No. 409705

Gemma Flack, she’s a decently well known artist within the Australian indie art scene. Isn’t hugely popular when compared to most of the other artists brought up ITT but is in general a very unpleasant person and leaves a bad taste in everyone’s mouths when they meet her

Had the misfortune of tabling next to her one year for a zine fair

No. 409731

Reminds me of an even uglier version of that art that’s in those music videos (can’t remember the songs but you know the ones)

No. 409732


No. 409744

Details on how she is unpleasant and generally unlikable? Was she a shitty table neighbor?

No. 409749

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I can see why Sarlis art wouldn’t be everyone’s cup of tea but I certainly wouldn’t call it ugly. Crude, yeah, but that’s the whole point

Personally I really dig her work, both her newer and older stuff

No. 409750

- she reeked
- her clothes were utterly filthy
- barely smiled or spoke to anyone, even those who came up to her table (kinda just snatched money off of them and handed their zines with a grunt)
- you know how some people just give off this really foul aura that makes you not wanna go near them? Had that going on big time
- constantly going on about HAES shit
- goes on about how ~queer~ she is, meanwhile is in a very long term hetero relationship last I checked
- has decided she’s nonbinary and will bring it up every chance she gets with her posts
- is every dumbass sjw stereotype of Melbourne rolled into one

No. 409756

Sarlis isn’t who I was thinking of, although I can see similarity there

No. 409760

Maybe Studio Killers?

No. 409764

Yes that! Only without the weird boobs

No. 409830

Hello salt friends! Opinions on Zines? I have mixed feelings
I like writing mines and selling them but sometimes other people really put the effort to be extra edgy uwu special angst uwu
And I think it kinda ruins it for other artists who don't really want to post super political/vegan/edgy/creepy stuff

No. 409833


I think you're overthinking this TBH you should make zines that you enjoy and think your audience will enjoy as well. Other artists have different artists and audiences.

If you're gonna spend your time complaining about how other people care /too/ much for politics/activism/etc. you're just gonna waste your time & come across as a douchebag tbh…

No. 409834

I don't think is douchey when almost everything available is on these topics and I find it quite hard to introduce them to people without them thinking is something super indie
Just my two cents

No. 409835


I honestly don't even get what you're complaining about. You think it's douchey that people make political zines? Lol

Just tell people "hey this is my zine, it's about x and y". Make a good cover that illustrates your theme. Google "how to market merch / brand yourself". There's tons of apolitical merch and zines out there, it shouldn't be that hard……

No. 409841

Are you really complaining about politics in zines? The point of zines in the first place was a means to spread political (typically left leaning) ideals and information to the masses in a way that could be created in a low cost format. Politics have more of a place in the zine scene than illustrations do, but go off

No. 409874

What other people are doing with their zines shouldn't be affecting you. A zine can be whatever you want it to be, as cliche as that sounds, you can do whatever you want for yours.

No. 409877


Lol the point of a zine is to be whatever you want it to be. So what if other people are doing political things? Like the other anon said, zines have often feature politics in the past. Nowadays, it's more artsy fartsy.

The point is, do whatever you want. If people want to be extra edgy, let them. Like they have their edgy zine market, you have your non-political, carnivore, round, un-creepy market too. Seriously. Food zines sell like hotcakes, and those aren't political for the most part.

No. 409887

Ok anon I feel your question is being disregarded here. Yes, if your zine isn’t political and vegan friendly you’re probably not gonna want to sell at those trash poetry slam zine fairs. Could you turn it into a graphic over instead? There’s still a lot of edge in that scene, too and I’m rly tired of it as well.

Also regarding the tatted up fattie, why does all this modern garbage focus so much on the anus? Im over it.

No. 409895


Thank you linking to Sarlis because I'd forgotten how much I like their work. I think I prefer their old work but I definitely see the appeal in their new stuff.

No. 409899

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Honestly I love all of her artwork and enjoy watching her grow as an artist and continue experimenting, she’s for sure one of my biggest artistic influences and inspirations

No. 409943

Am I the only one that's tired of those ~*artist support threads*~ on Twitter? I always see the same people in them.

It's obvious that most of these people are friends and the audience are the kids that migrated from Tumblr and won't look at you if you have a drop of negativity or controversy on your profile.

No. 409949

I miss Sarlis' old work so much.. it isn't what I normally like in art, but her new stuff is just lazy and incredibly minimal to the extent of just being boring. It has seriously lost the charm it used to have.

No. 409957

I am, I see those things every singe day on twitter. I’m thisclose to blocking anyone that RTs it. People only follow with the assumption that you’ll follow back and if you don’t, they drop you. They still unfollow after a bit anyway so I don’t see the appeal of it.

It’s just as annoying as people following you on IG in the hopes you follow back and they drop you days later just so they can boost their follower count. (I’ve seen this mostly from cosplayer accounts and amateur artists/models)

No. 409958

right?? i have been trying for months for my insta to get 100 followers, and every time i just peak over the threshold, people unfollow because i dont follow back. i want people to like my art, but i dont want to have a dead follower that only stays there for numbers and doesnt actually like my art.

No. 409961

Oh gosh YES. People doing it constantly on IG is so annoying. I used to literally get like 5 followers a day and after couple of days all would unfollow. I ended up putting a disclaimer in my profile saying "I don't do Follow4follow" and it actually stop most of the f4f spam but I still get a lot of people who follow me only to unfollow me but at least it's not daily thing anymore. Only happens when I post something and get a rush of followers, only to lose them all.

No. 410045

Way to much of that bright opera…it will fade very quickly and nearly half of the painting will be gone soon.
And she still didnt learned basic anonatomy. Her goddess must have an very broken hip under that dress, and not to start about the feet or the way to small torso. And the legs are both to short and one is even shorter than the other.

No. 410132

Happy D has always had awful anatomy, she’s one of those artists that can render things beautifully but has piss poor foundations

No. 410133

I find it odd how they’re seemingly becoming more of a review channel than a painting channel when from what they’ve said they have very low income. Just doesn’t seem like a smart investment to keep buying cheap shit in order to review it, sure it’s just a few pounds at a time but it all adds up eventually

No. 410135

Maybe those videos have a better view turnaround, or they’re just investing in that type of convent cuz they don’t have anything else to make

No. 410150

According to their social blade they seem to be making hardly enough to justify buying things consistently to review, but then again I don’t have a peek into their actual analytics so maybe these videos do get them a lot more subscribers which may potentially pay off in the long run. Just find it odd since they seem to have so little expendable income

No. 410152

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You're at the Thrift shop and this woman slaps you boyfriends ass

What do you do ?

No. 410154

Anon, this is beyond gay. Stop being such an autist.

No. 410162

t.anon who got cucked by Kasey

No. 410168

I distract her by throwing a picasso to the side, I bought it at a second hand store so it doesn't matter or have any value (and it's boring so who cares).
As she's distracted by defacing the painting with naked pink butt babies we make our hasty retreat.

No. 410172

I'm all for never letting Kasey forget her immature behaviour and memeing on her but- for God's sake Anon sage your posts

No. 410210

i dont even disagree with what she did but she lost me with this behaviour.
I know it's some kind of ironic humour thing for her to say shitty things with a flat tone so maybe this is the case for this picture and it's actually weirdly self-parodying/deprecating but if she finds this funny idk what to do.
maybe she has some kind of autistic tendencies, her delivery always is so flat and confusing

No. 410238

No pretty sure she's being socially tone deaf. People with very stoic ways of speaking often get told that they do it. I don't thing anything she's been doing up until now has been at all 'flat'. It's like with al her 'haters' talk I can almost hear her voice going up 2 pitches as she pretends not to be bothered by it.

No. 410253

She does seem genuinely autistic tbh, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if she’s on the tism spectrum

No. 410300

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Sometimes I genuinely regret not jumping on the art tuber train, I’d fucking love for Faber Castell to send me free shit.

Also, I guess a Faber Castell x Kasey video is coming soon

No. 410309

Anon I think she could also just be a straight up narcissist sociopath. They are bad at social queues also

No. 410313

great, this gave me cancer

No. 410315

Same, but then I see my artist integrity intact and realise that's more important than free stuff from companies wanting to use me as an adwhore to sell to my 12 y/o audience.

No. 410322

Its not whoring if you say that good stuff is good.
Its whoring if you say Arteza Stuff is premium ;)
I would love to get presents from Daniel Smith, Schmincke, Old Holland, Faber Castell etc.
And I would prise the hell put of them.(;))

No. 410326

Does anyone know what happened to Audra Auclair? She hasn’t uploaded a video in over a year

No. 410331

She’s active mostly on Twitter and IG.

No. 410334

Audra's fragile mental health means she can't upload videos on big bad YT for now, she's "focusing" on her e-shop Oniberri and other big paintings for now (very active on IG)

No. 410336

(samefag) I can't fathom her thought process when she posted this. "Let me take a ~cheeky ~ selfie with my tongue out and a victory sign, THAT'll show them how unbothered I am, that'll show them all" Didn't she feel stupid?

No. 410337

Are you sure you're looking at Audra's social media accounts and not just one of her many copycats? :P(:P)

No. 410338

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Get outta here emojifag

No. 410340

Kasey seems to be perpetually stuck in an American high school drama where the entire world revolves around her and how cool she is

No. 410347

this isn't milk but this came up on Youtube and so I glanced at the video.

But why does she pronounce 'pen' like 'pin' she just keeps saying 'posca pins' Where is she from? Is this an American accent thing? Or can she just not pronounce 'pen'

No. 410352

what are y'all thoughts on Nina Paley and the Drama she's Involved in

No. 410358


I thought that video was related to the drama SIKE on me. Anyway who is she anon share the deets.

No. 410376

Tennessee I think

No. 410393

Nina Paley is an odd woman
she believes copyright should not exist at all,she's a radical feminist who hates her mother and a lot of other women,is friends with Jordan Peterson,Is a non-practicing Jew that has complex and back peddling views on Israel and still thinks bitcoin can work and right now is in trouble against various companies for using copy righted music in her latest film

No. 410399

>artist that believes copyright shouldn’t exist
>radfem that hates women

So what you’re saying is that she’s not the brightest

No. 410409

She hates women?

No. 410411

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she holds some very conflicting views

No. 410412

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No. 410413

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No. 410414

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No. 410417

I'm not seeing any woman hate?

No. 410419

Neither. These are either shit examples or anon is pulling the woman hate out her ass

No. 410421

Is this lady seriously judging people for owning microwaves

No. 410422

These are stuff from '93, '98. They're a CAD level of awareness about social problems but I don't see any woman hate, unless anon is going to publish any new work of hers in comparison (btw haven't watched the videos yet)

No. 410423

These are stuff from '93, '98. They're a CAD level of awareness about social problems but I don't see any woman hate, unless anon is going to publish any new work of hers in comparison (btw haven't watched the videos yet)

No. 410424

I think it's just a poor attempt at criticizing capitalism and consumerism

No. 410427

The point is that consumerism stacks up.. it’s 5 in a row, there are necessities in the bingo with absurd purchases peppered in which all eventually builds up. And tbh it’s not like people NEED a microwave but whatever

No. 410429

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What’s my prize?
I’m not actually sure why I even own a microwave, I pretty much never use it other than to make popcorn

No. 410431

Are you stupid? None of these comics contradicts each other

No. 410432

Uh, if you're lower class, you totally do. Not enough time or money to cook = frozen food.

Also, "farmed" beef and chicken? All livestock is "farmed", wtf is that phrasing? Does she mean like… mass-produced meat?

How is it bad to have a fucking retirement plan?

This woman is nuts.

No. 410435

You’re acting like saucepans aren’t a thing, and eating frozen food all the time is not at all the smart thing to do when you have little income. Cooking is by far the cheapest choice, especially since you can make meals in bulk and make sure they’re nutritious while budget friendly

This is getting OT though

No. 410445

i ate less frozen food when i was extremely poor than i do now. buying ready meals is extremely pricey, even the dirt cheap stuff.

No. 410454

This is getting a little ot. Either way I don't see how these comics make her crazy they seem very milquetoast to me

No. 410473

They seem pretty well done to me. The humor cant exactly work without the extreme language right?

No. 410482

Well I mean if she supports Jordan Peterson and calls herself a radfem she's a bit of an oxymoron tbh.

No. 410487

Shrugs people can be contradictory. Does she actually support him or just free speech and dialogue?

No. 410490

Oh I don't have a problem with them I just meant they aren't saying anything too extreme or new to me.

No. 410512

Thoughts about these tumblr-tier oppression olympics artist visibility hashtags?

I want people to follow me for my art not because I'm a brown girl who draws things.

No. 410525

So much this. I’m not gonna follow you if you tag your stuff #femaleartistsofinstagram. Sorry to break it to you that’s the #majorityartistsofinstagram.

No. 410551

God, Emily's self created drama is annoying.

No. 410554

Honestly it just feels scummy to me. Like, I can understand if there were special event things similar to 'visible women artists day' for like specific genres of art or something, since that's a legitimate thing people might be interested in. But, then they make it about themselves and often it has nothing to do with their art, so it's like… why?
I can somewhat understand it when the visibility thing has to do with the art (like visible women day artists who primarily draw/make comics about women), but idk why it wouldn't just be about the art in the first place? Why does their pronouns or sexuality matter? For pity? Like I said, kinda scummy.

No. 410572


I never felt right participating in these tags on Twitter because there's a certain expectation for you to put yourself or "your story" on display for others to read for woke points. If you're using the tag and your art isn't about that particular minority or marginalized group, then you're irrelevant. I wished it was more about solidarity than "look at me, hire/follow me to fill your 'queer/brown girl' quota. Those of us in these groups just so happen to like drawing and talking about subjects OTHER THAN being x, y, z race/gender/sexuality.

No. 410579


Sometimes I'm like "I shouldn't be selling myself is xyz artist"
but then other times I use highly popular hashtags and try to play the hashtag game because sometimes you gotta just sell out. It sucks but hey… If all I've got to do to hustle a bit more is mention I'm not white, which if people met me in person they'd know instantly, that's a very small tiny little thing in the grand scheme of things.

Also am I the only one who doesn't really care about the descriptors unless the artist is from the same country as me? Because otherwise I could care less and look at the art more than anything.

No. 410581

This goes hand in hand with those Twitter threads >>409943 mentioned. Most of the artists promote their race/gender/sexuality before their art and it's really disappointing that a lot of these kids eat that up no matter how bad the art is.

No. 410588

I think what a lot of the salty artists here forget is that social media has a focus on the personal. A lot of teenagers enjoy following people they can relate to or feel relaxed interacting with.

No. 410590

The problem is when people complain that people only care about their personality and not their art while only marketing the former

No. 410600

Well I mean if Holly is anything to go on, you can have shitty personality and art and somehow still get a following lol

No. 410602

This video bothered me so much. The artist had every right to block emily. I block people all the fucking time. People are creepy and she just kept randomly messaging him.
Also its useful if the thing your hashtagging about is impacting your art. If you’re making art that talks about gender then it makes sense to use that hashtag.

No. 410606


I don't really give a shit what teens like to follow. it's worth mentioning that if people don't want to use the tags, they don't have to. Theres other ways to connect with people. Other anon seems it feels 'scummy' on some invisible moral scale, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the tags its just the way in which people use them that gets annoying. Ultimately it's just another thing to ignore if you don't really feel right using them,or care.

No. 410609


A few threads back there were some people who kept praising her and how good her videos were but she always seemed so fucking fake to me, so I'm not at all surprised to hear this. I hated her voice.

No. 410621

a good person with an interesting life/artistic motivation, doesnt make 3-part videos about what sounds like a typical toxic relationship. she needs to get over herself. this whole drama she is making now seems totally on brand to all of her stories she has told. she’s a shitty person and is trying to market off of it, instead of bettering herself.

No. 410633

This video got me thinking, both Pinterest and art tend to be female dominate interests/pastimes, so do anons itt also like to use Pinterest for references and inspiration? I use it a huge amount, I love how much I can curate my feed - it feels like I have an art gallery at home and am frequently being introduced to new artists I otherwise never would’ve found

No. 410636

Teens make up the bulk of social media, you’re fucking dumb for not caring about what it is that they gravitate towards if you want to see any success online

No. 410637


I hate pinterest. It's so fucking invasive and the times I've tried to use it, it takes up more time than it's worth. It's ok for looking at other people's boards, but making them myself on a clumsy userface isn't necessarily what I want to do with my time.
Not to mention half the time it's uncredited work, or you have to type -pinterest so that it doesn't show up. Sorry, don't agree! but if it floats your boat, good on you.

Assuming everyone is on social media to 'see success' according to you.

No. 410642

It’s a pretty safe assumption for artists that use social media exclusively for their artwork, which is when you’d be using those tags.

No. 410675

I think 4-5 years ago teens were the only majority on social media, but that isnt true anymore. i dont follow teenagers, i follow adults like me. the people i talk to are adults, i make art and market towards adults. and the adults i interact with are some of the teenagers from 4-5 years ago, like me. now, social media is less niche, less 'just for kids'. when getting into the art world, the questions you get are 'do you have a portfolio' and 'do you have an instagram'. my college admissions counselor asked me those, and several professors since. having the perspective of 'Teens make up the bulk of social media', is simply no longer correct. sure, you can appeal for that market, but anything can find an audience online and be successful. its just in the marketing.

No. 410691


I know that when I'm on social media, ideally, teenagers are the group I'd like keep interaction with minimal to none. It's fine if they like my art or talk with me real quick, but that's about it. I know they get real salty when they hear stuff like that but that's how it is. It's fine if they're 'not your market'.

No. 410714

Teens also can’t pay for shit, so you’d be the dumb one marketing to teens with the intent to run a successful online business.

No. 410721

There are plenty of teens with expendable income, but even if they don’t teens share things like wildfire. You’re missing out on a huge portion of potential buyers if you completely dismiss teenagers and their word of mouth capabilities, they also eventually become adults within the span of a few years - you’re very shortsighted with your marketing, any good business knows that you have to invest in future consumers

No. 410750

idk about you, but i dont follow near as many artists that i did when i was younger, because grew up and their content didnt. they were catering to my age group, but their art stayed the same while i got older. if someone caters to only teens, for their whole career, then a teen market is all they get. i’d rather cater to a market with money that can spend it now, and is hopefully smart enough to continue having money later, than a market with no money now, and may not be into your work later.

No. 410755

Being mindful of what teenagers consume and how they use social media doesn’t equal pandering to only teenagers. Are you anons incapable of marketing towards multiple age groups?

No. 410811

i can easily know what teenagers look at and not want to make art for them, lol.

No. 410815

The discussion was about hashtags.

No. 410816

I use it too but my boards are full of country boys and rodeo cowboys so i can't really relate to the whole girl situation
Is very true tho that the majority of stuff is for girl made by girls

No. 410818

Do you draw a lot of cowboys or something?

No. 410821

and it turned into a conversation about who uses said hashtags.

No. 410825

Yes, but using certain hashtags to draw in a teenage audience doesn’t mean you have to create art that caters to them? You can easily garner the attention of teens by using queer/female specific tags without having to change your content in the slightest as young adults are drawn to personality - in particular personalities they can relate to. You guys are being obtuse on purpose at this point, you don’t have to draw teenage specific things just to make the most out of hashtags they frequent jfc

No. 410826

Not sure what you mean by ‘girl’ situation but I’m genuinely interested in what kind of art you make now lmao, because whenever I hear the word cowboy I now just think of ram ranch

No. 410830

I do, I have an alternate universe comic with cowboys
Got tired of people making a canon couple all feminine so I took out the big guns and brought some muscles
Not everyone is happy but I surely am (stop making male characters basically women thanks)
I do fancomics and, to be honest, if you read all the "country boy" quotes/t-shirt is a laugh confirmed
Is super hilarious
I cheer myself up with those sometimes

No. 410831

Pinterest is a great resource for reference material. I pin all kinds of things, pose reference, color schemes, interesting landscapes etc

No. 410834

Same, is great and you don't have to save everything in a folder you have only on your laptop. It's easily accessible from all devices
The only thing is the credits, so I try to at least avoid pinning artwork

No. 410877

>>410633 pinterest is annoying to me, usually crashed my browser and i didn't like how suggestion algorithm worked and i couldn't turn it off just to see only boards i follow. lack of internal backup tools is annoying too, manually downloading would be a hell and i don't trust 3rd party apps. i hate how pinterest fucked up reverse search results and a lot of art is reposted without credit. moved to are.na where you can easily curate your boards, add links and text too, but i not really used to it yet and i find exploring a bit difficult. it's also lightweight and has many backup options.

No. 410883

I absolutly cannot stand „itsalexclark“ he is a mid/end thirty something animated storytimer who tries so fucking hard to appeal to the same audience as james and jaiden and it‘s so cringy. Half his „storytimes“ are made up stories and he‘s not even subtle about it. Not to mention his annoying ass „This is what cartoons sound like“-voice. hearing him drives me mad

No. 410884

realised this video is pretty old, it was just popping up in my recommended

he also mainly got famous through his “hot baby stitter“ storytimes which are just so cringy/disgusting

No. 411117

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Where is her body? Or is she just face, boobs and one leg?

No. 411127

I really hate all these storytime soyboys and their shitty animation. I think I saw one of that guy's videos on gun control get posted in a cringe thread on 8chan kek, it was awful.

No. 411128

Unironically calling someone a soyboy is the actual cringe here lol

No. 411129

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No. 411140

Lol okay hope that makes you feel less stupid

No. 411159

Came across this artist and he did a walkthrough of Emerald City Comic Con and every time he stopped to critique the tables of women who put flowers on their table as decoration was pure cringe.
I heard from a fellow artist that was at ECCC this year that he was talking down illustrators who were selling there that hadn’t been part of a publication, and that it’s a comic con for a reason. He also seems quite sexist, sarcastically pointing out the work of women and that it’s all “cutesy anime shit”

No. 411162


I use Pinterest a lot for the same reasons. If I have a specific subject or theme on my mind, I can make a board with a bunch of reference material.

When I was in school, we were made to hand in mood boards along with our preliminary rough work and I found it to be an easy resource. I just carried on making mood boards for all future projects and eventually adopted it because I like the organization of unlimited boards and subcategories.

Is it worth following accounts? I keep all my boards private and I'm usually happy enough with the default feed I get, and then I fall into rabbitholes of related images when I find something.

No. 411164

Good god that’s hideous. They have to put that pornified airbrush modern-beauty-standards face into every picture, no matter how stupid it looks.

Gotta love how there’s no damage done to her leg by the arrowheads

No. 411214

how hard is it to get into the youtube artists community and actually build a good audience with your content? or should i say how ‘easy’ is it?

No. 411236

It's not easy if you don't do drama fake story times

No. 411243

I’m curious too for any lurking art tuber anons, do studio vlogs tend to do well? They’re what I enjoy watching the most and would love to do them myself tbh

No. 411261

I create mood boards for everything too lol. Pinterest is great for that.
I follow a handful of accounts on there but honestly my feed is such a mess that I don’t even bother with it 99% of the time & just search for what I need.

No. 411280

I've seen comic dudes complain about the big displays before. This guy seems like an ass his aren't isn't terrible but with the mediocre anatomy he draws he has no right to talk down

No. 411281

Same anon but he's a comicsgate dude so it makes sense now lol

No. 411287

I'm probably not the only one but who else gets super salty when a popular artists says "You as an artist shouldn't care about the amount of followers or likes you get cause it doesn't matter". It's really easy to say if you already have 20k+ followers and a majority are buying from your online store.

No. 411288

Artists with little following rely on likes/ follows/comments to have an understanding if what they’re producing is worth the time/money. If you’re producing and get little feedback or support then you’ll probably start thinking “what’s the point?”

No. 411293

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Wonder if she’ll pocket it.

No. 411303

Emily “I swear I’m a really good person” artful.

No. 411306


Anyone else think this is a samefag? lol

No. 411308

Or just four separate people all not knowing how to sage?!

Eh after a while you just learn to do the art you want to do. Algorithms fuck you over anyway. I can do one finished piece and one sketch, but the former will get no attention whilst the latter gets a bunch of likes. Why? WHO KNOWS! It's not like it's 'better' in any way. Still, it's a hustle to try and get a following. General advice is to not look for a following but instead look for friends.

No. 411310

I’m a small hobbyist art tuber I guess. But I see myself more as just an artist there rather than youtuber. Youtube is more annoying than other platforms when it comes to engagement, you tend to grow more steadily but if you skip even one video it makes a huge difference in metrics. Then you have someone like me who doesn’t post regularly ever, let’s just say that it really shows.
Overall it’s like that pretty much on other platforms. All of my social media is very small and it just doesn’t really grow, because I can’t play the game but, because of that you kinda force yourself to draw just for your own enjoyment. If you rely on numbers online that you just don’t get, you’ll make yoyrself very miserable. Sure comment etc would be nice but you have to learn to live without.

No. 411311

lmao that was meant to be JC? looks no different to all her other instahoes pics

No. 411314

Implying JC isn’t just another instahoe with a dick

No. 411319


It's so funny how someone can be so skilled and yet tasteless. The way the horns are just sprouting out of nowhere is killing me. It's like they just shoved together as many elements as possible without actual thought on how they work together.

No. 411320

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lmaooooo this ugliest fucking thing i've seen a while. it's not even a head it's just a face floating in space like some kind of monster from a doctor who episode.

No. 411323

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OMFG BRIAN ugh This is the same asshole who bitched about people having fanart at NYCC last year. He hasted someone across from him for selling Transformers character art and that's "Cheating" since Mr Brian Shearer over here does inkwork for "the real Transformaers comic" so they're "stealing from him"
he also likes to talk big about how "print wall artists" are the scum of the earth. His table at said NYCC looked like ass.

No. 411325

I really don't understand the anger at print walls.

No. 411326

Also he doesn't own transformer characters ? So they would technically be stealing from Hasbro/idw?

No. 411331

Wait he does the inks on a comic book of a franchise that's been around since he was probably getting his head dunked in the school toilets for being a snarky little nerd and he thinks he has any fucking right to it??? haha

No. 411333

His setup is utter crap. Tbh, I notice women who sell in artist alley tend to put more effort into their displays than most men. Especially guys who work in comics. Most guys just show up with a single banner and slap a few portfolios (maybe a few comics) on an otherwise empty table and call it a day. Then they whine about low sales. This guy looks and acts like a tool though, very reminiscent of the people in my local comic art scene.

No. 411340

I mean, women in general tend to care more about appearance as they understand that it has social implications in all aspects of our lives (from personal appearance to even tidiness of things like resumes), for some reason a lot of men don’t seem to give a single shit about how they or their products appear to potential buyers

No. 411343

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Honestly, though. What is with artists who do artist alley and can't seem to make a display and just dump all their shit on the table and in front of it?

The AA scene isn't some casual thing anymore, but at least TRY???

No. 411347

Unrelated but I'm so done seeing youtubers using markers, especially copics. Their price is ridiculous, they're not light fast, they can't be used on normal paper and you need a huge set if you're actually doing full illustrations with them.

Also, most people don't actually know how to use them without getting the colors all muddy and gross looking.

Don't care for Waffle's content anymore but the digital drawing looks 10x better than the one she did with copics IMO

No. 411351

It's just that copics are fun to use. Just like any artist with watercolours or any other art supply. People like to use things for the enjoyment of it, and these are things she's probably not trying to sell as 'professional art' or whatever so the lightfastness doesn't even matter. Agreed though that the digital version is so much better, but she also DID try to use copics on top of pencil, which is a terrible idea in the first place.

No. 411354

Am I the only one who finds the whole ‘I redraw your art!!’ videos really tasteless? They seem like a weird humblebrag a lot of the time and are often pretty shitty.

No. 411362


Honestly studio vlogs are either hit or miss - some of them hit a nice algorithm. Some of mine are okayish. I made them because I liked them, helps me make content that I enjoy and without the need to make every art a video.
I actually only watch art vlogs now. I used to watch a lot of art videos but I really don’t find them that interesting now.
YouTube is a difficult minefield now - you can hustle hard but you need to not expect it to be overnight. Or over year. You might hit an algorithm and get lucky like some or you could do drama, entertaining or clickbaity stuff to get the views.

No. 411365

I think they can be cool if the person submitting likes the artists style or knows they are a better artist, and wants to see their OC fully realized.

But so many of them change important character traits or the feeling of the original piece just like the draw this in your style thing.

No. 411373


I don't know, I've had a different experience where I'll have a steady upload schedule, the follows might trickle in but when I'm not uploading suddenly my older stuff will get views and comments and I'll get subs. So I'm not even in a rush anymore. This is a long game for me. But that's just mu experience.

No. 411378

Glad this one was posted here, I’ve fallen off the waffles wagon a while ago. This isn’t even a “redraw your art” more like “horror-fy your art” because waffles couldn’t actually redraw the same expression in a different way. She comes off as emotionally flat to me and same with her “art”.

No. 411381

Marker artist here.
As the other anon said every medium has its advantages and disadvantages. Markers (copics) are convenient in ways others aren't. For example they're incredibly quick and when it comes to doing art for social media speed is a must since you really don't have that much time. Another thing is that the majority of us don't sell originals. We mostly do prints and products. There are other things that make markers worth it, but that's not relevant.

No. 411391

Honestly same, I can't sit through an entire video of hers anymore while she used to be incredibly entertaining. I dunno if she changed somehow or if it's just me getting bored of her.

No. 411399

Waffles has a personality and formula for all of her videos that gets really tiring really quickly, it honestly feels like watching a children's TV presenter a lot of the time with how overly animated she tends to be

No. 411404

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i'm typically a fan of this artist, even if their newer stuff gives me serious rcdart flashbacks, but this recent post was the straw that broke my damn back. the comments are absolutely exceptional, so many people bringing up valid points while the artist and their asspatters default to "anyways ACAB but go off bootlicker 😤💅👢👅💦💦"

No. 411405

Dunno about her personality but I'm definitely bored with her art lately. It's all pretty girls with long hair floating in the void with glitter or something around them, her comfort zone, like Kasey always does her lopsided cartoons in watercolour and calls it a day.

No. 411406

Dunno about her personality but I'm definitely bored with her art lately. It's all pretty girls with long hair floating in the void with glitter or something around them, her comfort zone, like Kasey always does her lopsided cartoons in watercolour and calls it a day.

No. 411409

i understand the keeping corporations out of pride thing, like the mega-million dollar ones just out for your money and using pride as advertising, but some corps are made by and for lgbt groups, or have ethical standards of practice. and like, there are gay cops?

blanket statements like this just prove that these people have about the rational depth of a teaspoon.

No. 411410


Most of the truly great artists and instructors that do redraws and overpaints won´t do it unless they are mentoring you or you are paying for their courses.

Usually is the shittiest amateur artists that play pretend they are teachers the ones doing redraws on youtube and is always a noob rerawing stuff from a slightly noobier noob, theres so many bad tutorials from people who should be studying themselves, i hate how common of an exposure ploy doing tutorials and teaching art has become.

No. 411412


imagine giving a shit about an inker´s opinion

No. 411426

It's funny cause acab originated with skinheads

No. 411427

I really liked her artwork before she went off the deepend, the quality of her artwork has genuinely decreased in quality ever since she went all in to her transition - it seems to be taking up all of her focus these days

No. 411429

I think the ACAB comes from the SHARPs tho not RAC what r u getting at

No. 411435


His pronouns are clearly stated as he/him in his instagram… don't be acting foolish lmao and don't be acting like a transphobic fucktruck either.

It takes literally no energy not to be asshole and just write 'his'.(back to tumblr with you)

No. 411445

Anon, I support trans people also, but don't expect lolcow to adhere to it. Gendercrit is kind of part of this board's culture.

No. 411446

This board is pretty radfem anon, you're not impressing anyone with this…

I agree people should use the correct pronouns and whatnot, but someone using the wrong one on an anonymous imageboard affects nobody

No. 411450

Literally doesn’t affect them in any way what pronouns are used on an imageboard, don’t act like some holier than thou nonnie when you’re on fucking lolcow, an imageboard dedicated to shitting on people.

No. 411451

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anyway does anyone have a screenshot of kasey fuckin that painting up?

just prepping for something

No. 411455

She is weirdly obsessed with pubes and asses

No. 411460

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do you think she grew up terribly sheltered and this is just her weird way of overcompensating on not being like how she was raised?

No. 411468

so many artists i used to enjoy fall victim to this shit. in an effort to look "woke" they all make the same "political" art - like this intellectually stimulating picture of a pink dog-thing making a blanket statement. they dive deeper and deeper into their gender/sexuality, and only follow similar people, so they all collectively get more and more unhinged. it's particularly frustrating to watch for me since i used to be balls deep in sjw shit, but even back then i wasn't drawing anime characters in non-ironic "down with cis" shirts. a lot of artists don't seem to understand that just because your art instagram is popular, you aren't an activist. and unless you actually ARE an activist it's better for your career to keep your mouth shut and keep posting your pretty pictures. why would you choose to purposely alienate members of your audience just to make such a lukewarm take?

No. 411469

>do you think she grew up terribly sheltered and this is just her weird way of overcompensating on not being like how she was raised?
Honestly yes she looks like it
I'm pretty sure she's likely a virgin as well

No. 411470

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Nevermind I got it

No. 411473

she has a partner though, right? so i doubt she's a virgin. she does really have that autistic/sheltered kid/arrested development kinda vibe though. explains the OTT "haha not even mad haturz LUL" ass blasted spam she shits out

No. 411474

>likely a virgin
Are you forgetting she’s married?

No. 411489

nta but i'll give them a pass for assuming. kasey gives off major awkward-nerdy-introverted-virgin vibes.

No. 411493

She could be Asexual, just saying.
A married virgin. lol

No. 411514

>>you want to know what the best art box is, I’ve saved you the trouble
Wow thanks Chloe, not like there’s a billion other videos that have reviewed the same boxes.

No. 411523

Thoughts on Becca Hilburn/Nattosoup??

I personally think her color choices are nasty and clash and her watercolor techniques arem't very advanced for someone who's been a watercolor artist exclusively.

No. 411528

She's a lovely person that seems to specialise in giving lots of tutorials and advice to convention goers etc. Her art is definitely geared towards children. I think she does make art for childrens books or something? Comics??

Either way I think if you're going to be making an entire comic in watercolours, best to keep the techniques simple so you don't kill yourself by page 5, not saying that people DON'T use complex watercolour techniques. Just saying if it's a side gig, don't keel over on detail. I haven't seen much of her other art though so no clue about how her watercolours fair in other illustrations.

No. 411534

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Her color choices really don't enhance her work at all. Some of the illustrations end up kinda muddy.

No. 411537

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She seems pleasant, I do webcomics so she's a friend of some of my friends. I've never seen her do anything cunty or rude, and she put out a scholarship with her husband for artists so that seemed nice of her. I've relied on some of her reviews while looking for cheap art supplies.
To be frank, though, I can't stand her art. She has no sense of color or using watercolors properly despite using them for years, and her fundamentals are amateur level despite having gone to art school. It's not terrible, but it's incredibly mediocre.

No. 411539

I give a bit of leeway if they're smaller artists, since a more eye catching display can be expensive. I'm pretty used to seeing this since I only really attend smaller local cons, so the artist alley is usually pretty basic. Someone having a just a book stand with art on it is pretty typical

No. 411548


Her art's just quite plain. There's no sense of lighting or environment between this image and the one posted by the previous anon. Looks like they could be in the exact same place since the lighting is so flat and forward?

I think her art could be improved by playing around with lighting more. Not sure how hard that is with watercolours, not an expert, but it'd make the characters fit better with the environment.

No. 411549

one word though,


please guys for the love of GOD go to the dollar store and get a plastic disposable one. im sick of seeing grungy tables littered with stuff. it cheapens your art, it makes your work look like it's part of a garage sale.

Heck, SIGNAGE, just ANY nice signage would be a plus.
Do some research. most basic things you'd ever need for an artist alley display can be found at most dollar stores.

Back in 2009 I used to use Locker shelves to clip stuff to. There are so many things that are now easy to find for displays that don't even cost more than $5.

Even grid shelves only cost $15 at Walmart or $20 on Amazon.
There's way more choices nowadays than ever. Honestly, being at a small show is no excuse. If you're serious about your work enough to try and sell it, at least make it look presentable.
Selling at a show isn't for people who just want to sell to make their trip money back. it's a place to connect with people and grow your brand.

No. 411559

She is very sweet, but I feel the same way.

I remember her mentioning her smaller prints sell fine, but not her bigger ones. I'm pretty sure it's her use of color that's doing it.

Playing with light with watercolor isn't hard to do. You can glaze and lift colors that don't stain (or take advantage of the ones that do stain), use masking fluid or just avoid spots outright to let the white of the paper show through, or even go for gouache if you like to work dark. It doesn't need a heavy hand and can go quickly.

I actually though her stuff was done in marker, at first. I hope she gets a better grip on it all someday.

No. 411560

She seems like a sweet person but at the same time she whines a looot about not having an audience. She just makes unappealing art and can't seem to realize that changing would better herself in the long run.

No. 411588

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Some back and forth over this that wasn't posted

No. 411589

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About this

No. 411590

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'I just wanna improve! AM I BLIND??' She sounds so salty lmao

No. 411624

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In their minds they are taking part of a hype, remaining relevant whithout needing to put any effert on the post. Is lazy bait.

Is easier to just post some political caption over some shitty doodle than making a new piece and they still expect people to eat it up because is a trending topic and is so hot and polemic right now in the current outrage culture climate of bullshit. Probably followed by some avengers end game bullshit or some yas queen GOT meme because of course, thats also trending. Even the commies milk it by shitting on the corporate stuff the momment it goes viral , they are still using the hashtag hype to push their shit.

No. 411629

Yeah shes regressing really bad as an artist. But shes too built up on popularity for this stuff to hit her. If shes gonna even listen any its going to have to come from someone bigger than her or at least consistent critique.

Even then shes likely to deny and act sweet until fans fight'm off.

No. 411632

Yeah…thats pretty sad tbh

No. 411635

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Yeah, pic related is the latest page of her comic, p135

No. 411636

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And this is page 7. Shouldn’t there be more.. improvement after such a long time? Honestly it feels like her comic has lost the original feeling it had, the line work and colours aren’t as appealing now

No. 411639

I def prefer this page. The contrast is more pleasing on the eyes for the flow of reading. My eyes have to adjust a bit for the newer page it's been filtered to absolute death.

No. 411642

any pics of her partner

No. 411647

not tryin to be a buzzkill here but I don't think yall should be digging into partners and close friends like this, they aren't the ones acting shitty as far as we know so leave'm alone

No. 411649

I don't think previous anon meant to start flinging mud at her husband. Most likely just curious about her spouse's looks, and you cant even say he deserves anonymity because Kasey has made SEVERAL videos with him with the clickbaity "muh husband draws".
He seems like a pretty chill guy from those videos and I also wouldn't condone shitting on him but hey, this is an anon message board so what are you gonna do.

No. 411672

Same. She seems like a nice person IRL but I cannot stand how very basic her drawing knowledge is (like she needs to do more life studies and add more fundamentals to her work cuz her anatomy gets really stringy sometimes) and her watercolor technique is muddy and amateurish. And I’ve followed her stuff for a couple years and it remains really stagnant. She’s also a person who does (idk if she still does) <5$ commissions at cons and that’s WAYYY bad, like even if the style is not great like her commissions are, why even work for less than minimum wage?

No. 411678

You have google, if you give a shit about what he looks like then just do some digging yourself, I don’t think any other anon particularly cares

Although from that video with doodle date collab he seems to be just as mean as she is

No. 411680

$5 commissions are always a really bad look, they reflect poorly on the whole industry and set a precedent for customers expecting luxury items for insanely low costs (at the the end of the day artwork is very much a luxury purchase)
It’s always the same reasons they give too, ‘oh but I don’t think I’m good enough to charge more’ - then don’t sell your art. If it’s not worth more than minimum wage then why are you even selling it in the first place, go practice until you feel more confident in your skills.

No. 411681

Samefag but here’s the video. They’re both just very mean spirited people and seem to have no idea what’s socially acceptable, it’s no surprise Kasey is the way she is when her husband is the same and just enables her piss poor behaviour

No. 411682

As others have said I’m not a big fan of her technique but her blog has been very helpful to me over the years.

No. 411683

I feel like she really needs to focus not just on color but in value. So much of this illustration is similar in value/tone which I think adds to the “muddy” feel someone mentioned.

No. 411688

The way she lays down the washes themselves adds to the muddy feeling, it makes the piece look cluttered and honestly a bit sloppy

No. 411699

How should she be doing it? I don’t paint much.

No. 411703

She was entertaining when she was just another self-taught artist doing her own thing and showing her progress. Now she's doing videos trying to teach people how to draw without understanding the fundamentals herself and it's painful to watch.

No. 411705

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There’s more than one way to lay down washes and I’d have difficulty explaining it well over text, but her washes seem to laid down almost randomly which is creating a lot of splotches all over the piece, and there are just so many visible layers for every single element within the piece that there’s no clear focal point and creates a very cluttered feeling to the whole painting. But as another anon said one of the biggest issues is a lack of understanding values and creating good contrast

Overall though watercolours are a medium that are very easy to overwork because of their transparent nature, people tend to go ham but you’d think someone whose been working with them for so long would’ve gotten that under control by now through trial and error

No. 411709

What videos? The only one I’ve seen was the style one which was fine to me

No. 411714

How is she so bad at looking at her own anatomy. This was shown previously in the thread or in the last one, but her spine goes into her leg……. drawing a skeleton does not perfect anatomy make.

The thing is that you gotta understand basic anatomy before you squash or stretch it into a cartoon style and I think she's just forgetting that.

No. 411743

This looks like a sketchbook page, like she drew in the girl in the bottom right corner and filled in the rest with background clutter. That's a worse art sin than leaving out lighting or values imo. It's super important to plan a whole composition, not just rely on a cool/cute pose.

No. 411780

another video with no art in it. all that 'I want to be a serious artist' stuff still not making it to YT. Just be a youtuber! Stop all the 'I'm a professinal full time artist" stuff.

also I realised one thing that winds me up about her is she can't end a video, she sys 'I hope you enjoyed this' and 'thank you for watching' at least four times every single video. nitpick I know but.

No. 411798

does anyone else get weirded out by lucid nema's intro? it reminds me of those creepy kids youtube videos

No. 411799

does anyone else get weirded out by lucid nema's intro? it reminds me of those creepy kids youtube videos

No. 411822

sage goes in the email field.

No. 411858

How comes she has such a little following after more than 1300 videos? And even with 8k followers, shouldnt she have more views?
And she ist not worse than all the other medicore "artist" with a bigger following and maybe 200 videos.
Or is the youtube algorithm screwing her over?

No. 411862

Quality over quantity, not appealing enough thumbnails and titles aren’t “HURR COHPICKS VERSUS OTHER BRAND EXACTLY LIKE COPICS HURRR”.

No. 411866

Naw it's her voice. Go try watching her videos the way she speaks is so hard to listen to.

No. 411868

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Wtf?? Anatomy is better than her ither pictures, but that image…
Is she trying to copy Loputyn? While Loputun is making cringe art but in a very esthetic way, this is just gross in my opinion

No. 411870

Plus she doesn't seem to edit and rambles for 30+ minutes per video. Making her channel more likable and watchable is possible but it's like she doesn't see why her videos are so unappealing..

No. 411871

I am shocked a woman drew this. Anyone with a vagina has to be cringing when seeing this

No. 411872

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And here are the crawler…

No. 411876

I instinctively covered my vag and winced. Guess I know how guys feel when they see another guy get their balls kicked now.

No. 411886

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I just don’t get the appeal of artwork like this that incorporates male gaze bullshit as well as extreme pornified lesbianism. Just another reason for me to dislike the current crop of lowbrow/pop surrealism artwork.

No. 411887

>loving that
Basic people are a mistake.

No. 411890


The first videos I saw of her was her bitching and whining over how she wasn't getting enough support on Patreon and threatening to close it, and not pulling enough traffic on her channel. Her voice is grating and she makes uninteresting videos. She's better off as a background sort of person who just kinda tends to a blog, posts on IG and gives out the occasional helpful tip. she immediately put me off acting entitled to support and views.

No. 411892

What the fuck!!!!

No. 411893

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this bothers me

No. 411896

>stares at candy with her dead fish eyes "you guys sure know what to get a diabetic"
Also I just can't get her sense of humour or her spouses.
Oh haha weenies butts hairy legs pubes dog dicks. You dont have to act the age of your audience yknow.

And A+ to ManKasey for making fun of Adams colorblindness that was a totally mature joke and he seems like a well adjusted individual who doesn't spend all his free time playing video games. Haha :).

No. 411906

Is that cat supposed to be on her lap? If so it's completely mushed

No. 411915

Nothing against porn art, everyone as he likes. But this is disgusting!

No. 411918

The irony is she made a how to guide for perspective using this drawing

No. 411919

Sage your posts.
In the email bit of where you comment just type in sage before posting.

No. 411937


is porn for horndogs but still wants to pretend is artsy.

No. 411947

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That was my first assumption but so many women are into this sort of “art” and many of the artists who make this kind of stuff are women too. Can’t help but think that it’s women meme-ing themselves to wanting to be “le uwu submissive erotic hyper-feminine fantasy for men.” Pic related by Soey Milk who also used to draw more of this kind of gross crap too.

No. 411951

Conversely, maybe it's just women representing sexuality in the way they want? Sexuality is a huge part of any human media, this is it present through a female human gaze

At the end of the day, I don't know the answer. I believe the former statement but also I believe lots of this art is also made by girls who have been brainwashed into the "cool girl" meme. Who can say what's true, it's very subjective

No. 411952

Omg lol. Soey Milk always painted some sm stuff, but this one crosses the border as well as relm.
They are looking like children with boobs and hips and way to short legs…giving milk.
Sex sells, but please keep some dignity

No. 411955

Why does she consistently seem to include lesbians in her work? Looked at her insta and there's…a good bit.

Is she just using it as an aesthetic? It is a bit off, I'm used to lesbian and even bisexual artists portraying women differently. So I guess she's not..?

I though this was lolishit jfc. If they were flat I'd know no better.
Also seems she's dating an older man atm? Hmm. Wild how she paints beautiful women but is dating an ugly old man.

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Some of Soey’s old art was just incredibly disgusting-looking and cringy. This is her rendition of Princess Bubblegum for instance from way back when.

Her art nowadays is better and has definitely matured a bit thematically but it still sometimes has weird and broken anatomy.

She started dating Kent Williams when she was still his student at ArtCenter. He’s basically twice her age but is a well-renowned fine artist so he likely helped boost her artistic career quite a bit. He isn’t that bad-looking for his age but it is sketchy as fuck how their relationship formed and the dynamic is creepy.

No. 411958

its literally like painting 'sexy children'..

No. 411959

What bothers me a lot about the more contemporary female lewd artists is that it often is way too cutesy and childlike and they try to push an image of innocence, a lot of the artists also seem to be extremely sexually inexperienced tbh

It’s a pretty stark contrast to male lewd artists that tend to make it seem like a torture session though, they also seem sexually inexperienced in the sense that they can’t imagine female pleasure that isn’t expressed through pain/humiliation/discomfort

Why can’t lewd artists just draw sex normally

No. 411966

Looks like she's probably a female pedo. She seems to really get off to young teen girls

No. 411967

Wow, I would've never have guessed Soey Milk's older work was more cartoonish, based on her current painting output. Are these from when she was still an ACCD student?

I'm glad to hear someone else talk about her relationship with Williams. There's also a lot of overlap (tassels, BDSM imagery, similar models, color choices) in their work that freaks me out when you consider their age-gap/initial teacher-professor relationship.

Also as a bit of an aside, she also plays up being a sex kitten with all the festival/art-ho outfits they post between her and Williams' IG accounts. It probably helps to be really hot and create exceptional work.

No. 411971

From what I recall, this kind of stuff was done during her time as a student and shortly after graduation. She was still doing her more realistic portraits when she was at school too. Obviously, it’s the latter work that appealed to fine art galleries the most so she seemed to ditch the cartoony stuff later on.

Art Center actually has a bad record of covering up inappropriate teacher-student relationships. It’s against the rules there yet people look the other way. Soey apparently dumped an ex who was a fellow student and a talented artist in his own right for Kent.

A lot of the old work can be found here:

No. 411974

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Thanks, anon. That old blog must be buried under all her new (understandable) rebranding as a fine artist. Found more of her student era work, too:
There's such a sudden pivot to her current style–just compare pic attached to any of her recent IG posts–that it makes her and Williams' relationship even more icky. I still fucking love her work, though.

Do you have any more dirt on ACCD? As acclaimed as Art Center and the other prestigious art schools are, I always hear sketchy things concerning tuition hikes, certain degree tracks being bloated (specifically Art Center's Illustration degree program being filled to the brim with students who can't get past the higher requirements of Entertainment Design), and little things like that.

No. 411977

I was in one of her weekend streams a few months ago. She mentioned not wanting to support a certain art supply retailer because they didn't think her art was good enough to send her free PR for.

No. 411978

Oh shit really? Back when I was considering art school I was thinking of ACCD but had heard mixed things from alumni including some mentions of inappropriate conduct.

One of Kent’s most recent IG Posts is a drawing of a girl who looks like Soey masturbating so there’s that. Lol.

No. 411979

The school is definitely accepting WAY more students than it should be, especially illustration students which make up the majority of all majors. Parking and class registration are huge issues on campus due to this and some teachers have secretly expressed racist sentiments toward the influx of foreign students since they’re some of the only students who can afford the outrageous tuition and make up a huge portion of students as a result. From what I’ve heard, getting into Art Center was way more difficult back in the 90s than it is now. A lot of students can’t help but feel this is all due to greed since the school keeps expanding. Tuition keeps increasing something like $1000+ every term.

I’ve heard about certain teachers (in particular, a well-known entertainment sketch artist) hitting on multiple young female students and trying to get into relationships with them. Seeing how Kent and Soey probably weren’t really even hiding it, I can’t help but feel the school really doesn’t see this sort of inappropriate behavior as a huge issue and I get the feeling a lot of students don’t see anything wrong with behavior like that and don’t feel compelled to report it. Plus, the class settings in art school isn’t so formal like in a traditional university setting which makes students question such behavior even less.

No. 411997


It must suck spending so much money to go to these expensive American schools and still not be as good as some east european or asian artist that came out of nowhere, paints like crazy, charges less than americans and are the ones taking all the industry jobs.

The one thing those schools really offer is connections, a lot of jobs and opportunities are based on referals and how many degrees of separation are between you and the people hiring. If you are a lolcow that didn´t made important friends during your campus days you really threw that money away. I see a lot of brazilians who are mostly self taught finding high paying jobs basically after pirating the shit out of all software and all the courses from online academies. Competition is pretty messed up for northamericans who need to charge way more than foreigners in order to make their career choice viable.

No. 412005

I know that Carly S frequents and posts in these threads often which is hilarious, considering that her art is no different from what’s being critiqued. It kind of makes it hard for me to take commentary in here seriously because of that. Total hypocrisy lol.

Relm’s stuff is so …autoerotic? It seems like she’s always drawing one face that she thinks she looks like/wants to look like having sex with clones of itself. It’s so formulaic and boring.

No. 412027

Idk, I also see loads of americans land high-paying jobs. They just need a little more time to reach a certain skill level than those russian etc, but they do achieve it. It's really hit or miss these days and fucked up.

No. 412040

I hadn't even noticed the cat! Jesus

No. 412046

Yeah but is that place even offering “connections” or just old guys to fuck to get into the industry?

I don’t think pop surrealism is art at all, to me its plain and simply porn and the whole crowd around it weirds me tf out and idk why anyone here would want to get into this fine art gallery crowd at all. What’s the appeal?

No. 412049

I can tell you that the industry connection events during graduation for illustration majors are huge jokes. Unless you’re an extremely talented entertainment design artist or someone who will fit in perfectly at a design agency, very few industry reps who visit will bother with most illustration majors’ portfolios.

Also, the pop surrealism scene is just pure trash. I’ve just seen way too much work of same-looking doe-eyed women that rip off Mark Ryden or Audrey Kawasaki. I can only assume that the people into that kind of art are just those who are part of that general shallow, trashy LA scene.

No. 412065

is your cowboy board public or private because i would love to see it, i would also love to see your comic. i know you probably don't want to out yourself on lc but i am very interested.

-t.anon who loves yeehaw stuff

No. 412066

I won't deny that I'm also intrigued by the yeehaw.

No. 412074


Those are not necessarily the valuable connections but the ones you make with your peers. You might eventually get into an studio or some project because someone you went to school with recommended you.

Its about degrees of separation. Knowing someone that might know someone, that might know someone, etc. Even when not helping you directly that contact with other people in the same field in the same time and place is valuable, maybe not valuable enough to justify the student debt just so you can loose your job opportunities to some self taught brazilian that pirated some courses but hey. such is life.

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Also on of them! Her coloring is genius level, but such sexualizing of children cant go through as art anymore.

No. 412081

I think you hit the nail on the head on why I seriously dislike this type of work. It comes off as autoerotic and thus a bit too narcissistic in a way. One can argue that art is inherently self-centered but I feel that all this artwork that focuses on samey pornified young women pushes that aspect to an extreme and thus ends up becoming boring and shallow. Plus, the depictions of lesbianism come off so annoyingly fetishizing and looking way too similar to mainstream lesbian porn marketed at men.

No. 412085

That's really bad. I feel embarrassed for this artist. She has enough ability to create really nice pieces, but not enough self awareness or maybe not enough of a conscience to care about how gross this is. Very embarrassing and gross

No. 412090

Not really sweet at all, then.
I can't stand that level of entitlement. No wonder she can't and won't improve despite all the work she's done.

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>Yeah but is that place even offering “connections” or just old guys to fuck to get into the industry?

Hey, I never post in this thread but a friend of mine made me aware of the current ACCD topic so I figured I'd help answer. I'm an Illustration Student in ENT track.

I'll just answer some of the snippets I saw above on your response anon. To start off the school does actually offer connections in more ways that one. The anon that said peers are the most important which I agree with, but your teachers are important as well. I currently freelancing. A former teacher of mine made me aware of a job and encouraged me to apply, she was sweet enough to write me a letter of rec. I'm currently freelancing for 3 different studios, two of which I have to thank because of ACCD.

The story the anon told above was only inappropriate because she was a his student during a term. Teachers are free to fuck/date (no matter how creepy we find it) as long as the student isn't currently in your classes. Anon's need to keep in mind the average student at ACCD is 23-25 or older.

I've gotten my connections from mostly reaching out to my teachers and being nice to my classmates. If you're a student putting all your eggs in a basket for grad night, hoping a studio gives you a job there than I'm sorry that's naive. ACCD actually offers internship and independent studies through the school for big name studios/companies. I've only seen students outside of my track take advantage of it though. I'll be honest from my point of few a lot of ENT Illustration students just don't think ahead until they are about to graduate and realize they haven't been polishing up their work for a portfolio or networking.

About the Tuition, every art school raises it each year, it is basically just greed I'm not going to defend that shit. However, I'm on 98% scholarship (they finally raised it enough where I'm no longer at 100).

I'll oversimplify how I got it that high. I'm poor, because my family is stupidly poor FASFA gives me more money. Majority of my tuition is covered by 4 ACCD scholarships and 1 grant. The grant was literally given to me because I had a record of having good grades from high school through community college. 1 of my scholarships if over 10k, I got it because my portfolio was good.

I'm not an "A" student at ACCD. I'm a "C". I don't mean it grade wise I always get B's or A's as my final grade. I mean that as I'm not the "top" student in each class. I'm the top student in the classes that I need for my career. I'll end by what my teachers always shill to us. "It's the "C" students who make it far as they are strategic about how to get through each assignment they struggle with. They reach out for help more and ask questions."

I won't lie that a few students (all majors) have probably slept with or flirted with teachers (male and female) to get ahead. The anon didn't even touch how the rich students use their money to make amazing amazing assignments. I'm apart of the artcenter students who quietly does their work, reach out/networks, and just isn't a fucking asshole( trust anons there's many here) so people want to see you reach your goals.

Sorry this was long. I'll answer anymore questions before my break ends.

No. 412095

This makes me very uncomfortable. Sounds like things I'd find on some lolifag's secret stash.

No. 412096

>Teachers are free to fuck/date (no matter how creepy we find it) as long as the student isn't currently in your classes.
Actually, I’m pretty sure I read the guidelines set by the CSE before and it’s against the rules. Any accredited university will basically severely penalize a professor for engaging in such behavior even if the student is outside of their class. The environment of an art school just cannot compare to something like an actual liberal arts university though so of course they don’t really care unless someone actually makes a fuss about it.

Also, internships and references mainly apply for Entertainment Arts track. For the illustration design students, it’s a completely different field and they make up something like, what, 60% of the illustration department? For Illustration Design students, a lot of it is more based on luck and sending out promo materials/business cards and hoping some publisher or whatever will bite and commission you. There aren’t really any studio internships unless you’re heavily into motion design and graphic design side of things. I have talented illustration design friends who have won awards struggling to get anyone to hire them. Teachers often say to give it at least seven years after graduation before you start making a living off of it. Anybody considering the school should keep that in mind.

No. 412111



The polices haven't been updated anon, no where does it say it's not allowed unless you're currently a students of that instructor or teacher assistant. From the instructor who worked on that very case(was happy to answer to anyone who asked him), he said as long as the student isn't currently enrolled in the class and isn't forced into it then it's fine. If you still don't believe me I suggest just getting your friend (who I think I know who it is from when you dropped that percentile) to just ask CSE on campus themselves. There's another teacher I've heard about that would date his former students and get the girls to dye their hair platinum blonde, then cut their hair super short. It happened with about 3 different girl (your friend will probably know who I'm talking about).

I did say I'm in the Ent. track anon. So I answered according to that. I have heard that it's hard out there for Illustration design students but I never (from any major) a reference from a studio/company you teacher working at never get you a job, even if it's just one temporary gig or them just doing a tiny job under their teacher for payment.

I've heard give it UP TO seven years.I think I'd kill myself if my mentor was like "yeah it's going to take 7 years but after bruh you're solid". That number is if you made no connections/networking/and have just a decent portfolio right out of school. Again, I'm only going to speak on behalf of my track. I should say, I'm still enrolled in ACCD I haven't graduated.(I took a term off because of my mentorship and these freelance gigs made available to me)

No. 412113

Guess I had a foggy memory there. Still pretty bad though and I’m sure sooner or later, it will be updated since more universities have been doing that in response to increased sexual misconduct reports. That is super fucking creepy in regards to that teacher asking his former students to dye and change their hairstyles.

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I wonder what sort of collab they must have been up to 1/2

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No. 412148

Kasey couldn't have looked more uncomfortable if she tried, if the eyes are indeed a window to the soul her soul has been in the grave for 65 years

No. 412159

I hate to be shallow but Kasey's a woman and looks clockable as hell and Baylee's hair looks like a wig that's kinda edging off the top of her head.

No. 412208

You're not shallow you're just a moron lol. Clockable? Cis women are clockable now? I love how far radfems have to reach to pull themselves right onto men's levels.

No. 412213

You look kinda like a dude, Kasey.

No. 412217

Is this a terf thread or artist salt lol

No. 412225

Their faces next to each other make me very uncomftorable. It's not even that I find them appalling to look at separately but man is this picture something I've seen in a nightmare before.

But also lol at Kaseys uwu peace sign, very "hello fellow young people" of her.

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