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10/10 thread description, anon.
Kasey Golden is such an ugly person. Not even talking about her face here. Her personality is rotten to the core. I bet she will try and keep this fire going for as long as she possibly can just for the attention and "these haters keep trying to bring me down but I don't care haha :):):))):):):)):)::):):):):):) please believe me how much I genuinely don't care hahahahahaha :):):)::):):):)"
I wonder if any of the profilic art tubers will stand up in public against Kasey or if they will all just show their undying support to her just because she has almost 1 million subs.
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Tried finding anything on the holtby artist, I'd say it's possibly this one guy since that T could be a J instead. James Hamilton Holtby.
Kasey should contact the resources listed on the site because apparently they keep an extensive paper trail on artists in Canada.
I hate when they use white as the hair highlight like their hair has high shine gloss poured over it>>409498
The style is just so fugly in both, but especially the right. And the shading and way they drew it makes the right tit look way bigger than the left
You're highkey wrong
Kasey would never say "please"
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All thats missing is a passive aggressive "haha :)"
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Yes because it's only AFTER you drew all over their paintings you want to contact them.
And not only that but specifically because she got backlash.
Do you think she would give two fucks if no one or just a small percentage of people were outraged?
Painfully obvious this is just damage control.
But hey that's just the 'opinion' of a 'hater' right Kasey "always right no regerts" Golden?
I'm looking on twitter and apart from a couple of tweets I'm not finding much hate there. The youtube comments against her on this are mostly "Kasey ily but this video made me uncomfortable plz dont hate me!"
Is she talking about us when she says haters?
Oh god let that be true, it would be hilarious and more Cow-like than most artubers haha, keep on feeding us Mistress Kasey! We hunger for your nummy haha childish behavior and :) passive aggressiveness!
Yeah, her comparing it to being like the Campbell brother's painting over Hitler's work and that somehow made what Kasey did okay was just….ehhhhhh
Like, you know they intended to deface Hitler's art, that they intended disrespect. Why would you try to bring it up as support
for Kasey. It's just a strange comparison, even if you do think it's fin to paint over thrift store paintings
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Not many people calling her out in her community post on YouTube, but the ones who do get a :) passive :) aggressive :) smiley face :):):):)
The girl calling her out is right on the money
you shouldnt. youll just be giving her moneny and fuelling her
>uwu :):):) i did nothing nothing wrong :):):)
Exactly. She'll never
admit she was wrong publicly and you would just make her $100 (or however much she charges for originals) richer.
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I love her artwork but why oh why does she have to be so fucking trashy
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And what the fuck are ‘genderfluid’ cats supposed to be?? Do they meow like boy cats one day and girl cats the next lmao
Okay, first of all: why did you make me see this with my own two eyes
Second of all: holy triple chin batman
Lastly: who is this? Are we supposed to recognize her on sight?
Gemma Flack, she’s a decently well known artist within the Australian indie art scene. Isn’t hugely popular when compared to most of the other artists brought up ITT but is in general a very unpleasant person and leaves a bad taste in everyone’s mouths when they meet her
Had the misfortune of tabling next to her one year for a zine fair
Reminds me of an even uglier version of that art that’s in those music videos (can’t remember the songs but you know the ones
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I can see why Sarlis art wouldn’t be everyone’s cup of tea but I certainly wouldn’t call it ugly. Crude, yeah, but that’s the whole point
Personally I really dig her work, both her newer and older stuff
- she reeked
- her clothes were utterly filthy
- barely smiled or spoke to anyone, even those who came up to her table (kinda just snatched money off of them and handed their zines with a grunt)
- you know how some people just give off this really foul aura that makes you not wanna go near them? Had that going on big time
- constantly going on about HAES shit
- goes on about how ~queer~ she is, meanwhile is in a very long term hetero relationship last I checked
- has decided she’s nonbinary and will bring it up every chance she gets with her posts
- is every dumbass sjw stereotype of Melbourne rolled into one
I think you're overthinking this TBH you should make zines that you enjoy and think your audience will enjoy as well. Other artists have different artists and audiences.
If you're gonna spend your time complaining about how other people care /too/ much for politics/activism/etc. you're just gonna waste your time & come across as a douchebag tbh…
I don't think is douchey when almost everything available is on these topics and I find it quite hard to introduce them to people without them thinking is something super indie
Just my two cents
I honestly don't even get what you're complaining about. You think it's douchey that people make political zines? Lol
Just tell people "hey this is my zine, it's about x and y". Make a good cover that illustrates your theme. Google "how to market merch / brand yourself". There's tons of apolitical merch and zines out there, it shouldn't be that hard……
Lol the point of a zine is to be whatever you want it to be. So what if other people are doing political things? Like the other anon said, zines have often feature politics in the past. Nowadays, it's more artsy fartsy.
The point is, do whatever you want. If people want to be extra edgy, let them. Like they have their edgy zine market, you have your non-political, carnivore, round, un-creepy market too. Seriously. Food zines sell like hotcakes, and those aren't political for the most part.
Ok anon I feel your question is being disregarded here. Yes, if your zine isn’t political and vegan friendly you’re probably not gonna want to sell at those trash poetry slam zine fairs. Could you turn it into a graphic over instead? There’s still a lot of edge in that scene, too and I’m rly tired of it as well.
Also regarding the tatted up fattie, why does all this modern garbage focus so much on the anus? Im over it.
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Honestly I love all of her artwork and enjoy watching her grow as an artist and continue experimenting, she’s for sure one of my biggest artistic influences and inspirations
I am, I see those things every singe day on twitter. I’m thisclose to blocking anyone that RTs it. People only follow with the assumption that you’ll follow back and if you don’t, they drop you. They still unfollow after a bit anyway so I don’t see the appeal of it.
It’s just as annoying as people following you on IG in the hopes you follow back and they drop you days later just so they can boost their follower count. (I’ve seen this mostly from cosplayer accounts and amateur artists/models)
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You're at the Thrift shop and this woman slaps you boyfriends ass
What do you do ?
I distract her by throwing a picasso to the side, I bought it at a second hand store so it doesn't matter or have any value (and it's boring so who cares).
As she's distracted by defacing the painting with naked pink butt babies we make our hasty retreat.
i dont even disagree with what she did but she lost me with this behaviour.
I know it's some kind of ironic humour thing for her to say shitty things with a flat tone so maybe this is the case for this picture and it's actually weirdly self-parodying/deprecating but if she finds this funny idk what to do.
maybe she has some kind of autistic tendencies, her delivery always is so flat and confusing
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Sometimes I genuinely regret not jumping on the art tuber train, I’d fucking love for Faber Castell to send me free shit.
Also, I guess a Faber Castell x Kasey video is coming soon
Its not whoring if you say that good stuff is good.
Its whoring if you say Arteza Stuff is premium ;)
I would love to get presents from Daniel Smith, Schmincke, Old Holland, Faber Castell etc.
And I would prise the hell put of them.(;))
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Get outta here emojifag
Kasey seems to be perpetually stuck in an American high school drama where the entire world revolves around her and how cool
Nina Paley is an odd woman
she believes copyright should not exist at all,she's a radical feminist who hates her mother and a lot of other women,is friends with Jordan Peterson,Is a non-practicing Jew that has complex and back peddling views on Israel and still thinks bitcoin can work and right now is in trouble against various companies for using copy righted music in her latest film
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she holds some very conflicting views
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What’s my prize? I’m not actually sure why I even own a microwave, I pretty much never use it other than to make popcorn
Uh, if you're lower class, you totally do. Not enough time or money to cook = frozen food.
Also, "farmed" beef and chicken? All livestock is "farmed", wtf is that phrasing? Does she mean like… mass-produced meat?
How is it bad to have a fucking retirement plan?
This woman is nuts.
You’re acting like saucepans aren’t a thing, and eating frozen food all the time is not at all the smart thing to do when you have little income. Cooking is by far the cheapest choice, especially since you can make meals in bulk and make sure they’re nutritious while budget friendly
This is getting OT though
Honestly it just feels scummy to me. Like, I can understand if there were special event things similar to 'visible women artists day' for like specific genres of art or something, since that's a legitimate thing people might be interested in. But, then they make it about themselves and often it has nothing to do with their art, so it's like… why?
I can somewhat understand it when the visibility thing has to do with the art (like visible women day artists who primarily draw/make comics about women), but idk why it wouldn't just be about the art in the first place? Why does their pronouns or sexuality matter? For pity? Like I said, kinda scummy.
Sometimes I'm like "I shouldn't be selling myself is xyz artist"
but then other times I use highly popular hashtags and try to play the hashtag game because sometimes you gotta just sell out. It sucks but hey… If all I've got to do to hustle a bit more is mention I'm not white, which if people met me in person they'd know instantly, that's a very small tiny little thing in the grand scheme of things.
Also am I the only one who doesn't really care about the descriptors unless the artist is from the same country as me? Because otherwise I could care less and look at the art more than anything.
This goes hand in hand with those Twitter threads >>409943
mentioned. Most of the artists promote their race/gender/sexuality before their art and it's really disappointing that a lot of these kids eat that up no matter how bad the art is.
This video bothered me so much. The artist had every right to block emily. I block people all the fucking time. People are creepy and she just kept randomly messaging him. >>410588
Also its useful if the thing your hashtagging about is impacting your art. If you’re making art that talks about gender then it makes sense to use that hashtag.
a good person with an interesting life/artistic motivation, doesnt make 3-part videos about what sounds like a typical toxic
relationship. she needs to get over herself. this whole drama she is making now seems totally on brand to all of her stories she has told. she’s a shitty person and is trying to market off of it, instead of bettering herself.
I hate pinterest. It's so fucking invasive and the times I've tried to use it, it takes up more time than it's worth. It's ok for looking at other people's boards, but making them myself on a clumsy userface isn't necessarily what I want to do with my time.
Not to mention half the time it's uncredited work, or you have to type -pinterest so that it doesn't show up. Sorry, don't agree! but if it floats your boat, good on you. >>410636
Assuming everyone is on social media to 'see success' according to you.
I think 4-5 years ago teens were the only majority on social media, but that isnt true anymore. i dont follow teenagers, i follow adults like me. the people i talk to are adults, i make art and market towards adults. and the adults i interact with are some of the teenagers from 4-5 years ago, like me. now, social media is less niche, less 'just for kids'. when getting into the art world, the questions you get are 'do you have a portfolio' and 'do you have an instagram'. my college admissions counselor asked me those, and several professors since. having the perspective of 'Teens make up the bulk of social media', is simply no longer correct. sure, you can appeal for that market, but anything can find an audience online and be successful. its just in the marketing.
I use it too but my boards are full of country boys and rodeo cowboys so i can't really relate to the whole girl situation
Is very true tho that the majority of stuff is for girl made by girls
I do, I have an alternate universe comic with cowboys
Got tired of people making a canon couple all feminine so I took out the big guns and brought some muscles
Not everyone is happy but I surely am (stop making male characters basically women thanks) >>410826
I do fancomics and, to be honest, if you read all the "country boy" quotes/t-shirt is a laugh confirmed
Is super hilarious
I cheer myself up with those sometimes
Same, is great and you don't have to save everything in a folder you have only on your laptop. It's easily accessible from all devices
The only thing is the credits, so I try to at least avoid pinning artwork
realised this video is pretty old, it was just popping up in my recommended
he also mainly got famous through his “hot baby stitter“ storytimes which are just so cringy/disgusting
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Where is her body? Or is she just face, boobs and one leg?
I use Pinterest a lot for the same reasons. If I have a specific subject or theme on my mind, I can make a board with a bunch of reference material.
When I was in school, we were made to hand in mood boards along with our preliminary rough work and I found it to be an easy resource. I just carried on making mood boards for all future projects and eventually adopted it because I like the organization of unlimited boards and subcategories.
Is it worth following accounts? I keep all my boards private and I'm usually happy enough with the default feed I get, and then I fall into rabbitholes of related images when I find something.
Good god that’s hideous. They have to put that pornified airbrush modern-beauty-standards face into every picture, no matter how stupid it looks.
Gotta love how there’s no damage done to her leg by the arrowheads
I create mood boards for everything too lol. Pinterest is great for that.
I follow a handful of accounts on there but honestly my feed is such a mess that I don’t even bother with it 99% of the time & just search for what I need.
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Wonder if she’ll pocket it.
Or just four separate people all not knowing how to sage?!>>411288
Eh after a while you just learn to do the art you want to do. Algorithms fuck you over anyway. I can do one finished piece and one sketch, but the former will get no attention whilst the latter gets a bunch of likes. Why? WHO KNOWS! It's not like it's 'better' in any way. Still, it's a hustle to try and get a following. General advice is to not look for a following but instead look for friends.
I’m a small hobbyist art tuber I guess. But I see myself more as just an artist there rather than youtuber. Youtube is more annoying than other platforms when it comes to engagement, you tend to grow more steadily but if you skip even one video it makes a huge difference in metrics. Then you have someone like me who doesn’t post regularly ever, let’s just say that it really shows.
Overall it’s like that pretty much on other platforms. All of my social media is very small and it just doesn’t really grow, because I can’t play the game but, because of that you kinda force yourself to draw just for your own enjoyment. If you rely on numbers online that you just don’t get, you’ll make yoyrself very miserable. Sure comment etc would be nice but you have to learn to live without.
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lmaooooo this ugliest fucking thing i've seen a while. it's not even a head it's just a face floating in space like some kind of monster from a doctor who episode.
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OMFG BRIAN ugh This is the same asshole who bitched about people having fanart at NYCC last year. He hasted someone across from him for selling Transformers character art and that's "Cheating" since Mr Brian Shearer over here does inkwork for "the real Transformaers comic" so they're "stealing from him"
he also likes to talk big about how "print wall artists" are the scum of the earth. His table at said NYCC looked like ass.
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Honestly, though. What is with artists who do artist alley and can't seem to make a display and just dump all their shit on the table and in front of it?
The AA scene isn't some casual thing anymore, but at least TRY???
Honestly studio vlogs are either hit or miss - some of them hit a nice algorithm. Some of mine are okayish. I made them because I liked them, helps me make content that I enjoy and without the need to make every art a video.
I actually only watch art vlogs now. I used to watch a lot of art videos but I really don’t find them that interesting now.
YouTube is a difficult minefield now - you can hustle hard but you need to not expect it to be overnight. Or over year. You might hit an algorithm and get lucky like some or you could do drama, entertaining or clickbaity stuff to get the views.
I think they can be cool if the person submitting likes the artists style or knows they are a better artist, and wants to see their OC fully realized.
But so many of them change important character traits or the feeling of the original piece just like the draw this in your style thing.
I don't know, I've had a different experience where I'll have a steady upload schedule, the follows might
trickle in but when I'm not uploading suddenly my older stuff will get views and comments and I'll get subs. So I'm not even in a rush anymore. This is a long game for me. But that's just mu experience.
Marker artist here.
As the other anon said every medium has its advantages and disadvantages. Markers (copics) are convenient in ways others aren't. For example they're incredibly quick and when it comes to doing art for social media speed is a must since you really don't have that much time. Another thing is that the majority of us don't sell originals. We mostly do prints and products. There are other things that make markers worth it, but that's not relevant.
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i'm typically a fan of this artist, even if their newer stuff gives me serious rcdart flashbacks, but this recent post was the straw that broke my damn back. the comments are absolutely exceptional, so many people bringing up valid points while the artist and their asspatters default to "anyways ACAB but go off bootlicker 😤💅👢👅💦💦"
i understand the keeping corporations out of pride thing, like the mega-million dollar ones just out for your money and using pride as advertising, but some corps are made by and for lgbt groups, or have ethical standards of practice. and like, there are gay cops?
blanket statements like this just prove that these people have about the rational depth of a teaspoon.
Most of the truly great artists and instructors that do redraws and overpaints won´t do it unless they are mentoring you or you are paying for their courses.
Usually is the shittiest amateur artists that play pretend they are teachers the ones doing redraws on youtube and is always a noob rerawing stuff from a slightly noobier noob, theres so many bad tutorials from people who should be studying themselves, i hate how common of an exposure ploy doing tutorials and teaching art has become.
His pronouns are clearly stated as he/him in his instagram… don't be acting foolish lmao and don't be acting like a transphobic fucktruck either.
It takes literally no energy not to be asshole and just write 'his'.(back to tumblr with you)
This board is pretty radfem anon, you're not impressing anyone with this…
I agree people should use the correct pronouns and whatnot, but someone using the wrong one on an anonymous imageboard affects nobody
Literally doesn’t affect them in any way what pronouns are used on an imageboard, don’t act like some holier than thou nonnie
when you’re on fucking lolcow, an imageboard dedicated to shitting on people.
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anyway does anyone have a screenshot of kasey fuckin that painting up?
just prepping for something
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do you think she grew up terribly sheltered and this is just her weird way of overcompensating on not being like how she was raised?
so many artists i used to enjoy fall victim
to this shit. in an effort to look "woke" they all make the same "political" art - like this intellectually stimulating picture of a pink dog-thing making a blanket statement. they dive deeper and deeper into their gender/sexuality, and only follow similar people, so they all collectively get more and more unhinged. it's particularly frustrating to watch for me since i used to be balls deep in sjw shit, but even back then i wasn't drawing anime characters in non-ironic "down with cis" shirts. a lot of artists don't seem to understand that just because your art instagram is popular, you aren't an activist. and unless you actually ARE an activist it's better for your career to keep your mouth shut and keep posting your pretty pictures. why would you choose to purposely alienate members of your audience just to make such a lukewarm take?
>>411460>do you think she grew up terribly sheltered and this is just her weird way of overcompensating on not being like how she was raised?
Honestly yes she looks like it
I'm pretty sure she's likely a virgin as well
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Nevermind I got it
She could be Asexual, just saying.
A married virgin. lol
She's a lovely person that seems to specialise in giving lots of tutorials and advice to convention goers etc. Her art is definitely geared towards children. I think she does make art for childrens books or something? Comics??
Either way I think if you're going to be making an entire comic in watercolours, best to keep the techniques simple so you don't kill yourself by page 5, not saying that people DON'T use complex watercolour techniques. Just saying if it's a side gig, don't keel over on detail. I haven't seen much of her other art though so no clue about how her watercolours fair in other illustrations.
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Her color choices really don't enhance her work at all. Some of the illustrations end up kinda muddy.
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She seems pleasant, I do webcomics so she's a friend of some of my friends. I've never seen her do anything cunty or rude, and she put out a scholarship with her husband for artists so that seemed nice of her. I've relied on some of her reviews while looking for cheap art supplies.
To be frank, though, I can't stand her art. She has no sense of color or using watercolors properly despite using them for years, and her fundamentals are amateur level despite having gone to art school. It's not terrible, but it's incredibly mediocre.
Her art's just quite plain. There's no sense of lighting or environment between this image and the one posted by the previous anon. Looks like they could be in the exact same place since the lighting is so flat and forward?
I think her art could be improved by playing around with lighting more. Not sure how hard that is with watercolours, not an expert, but it'd make the characters fit better with the environment.
one word though,
please guys for the love of GOD go to the dollar store and get a plastic disposable one. im sick of seeing grungy tables littered with stuff. it cheapens your art, it makes your work look like it's part of a garage sale.
Heck, SIGNAGE, just ANY nice signage would be a plus.
Do some research. most basic things you'd ever need for an artist alley display can be found at most dollar stores.
Back in 2009 I used to use Locker shelves to clip stuff to. There are so many things that are now easy to find for displays that don't even cost more than $5.
Even grid shelves only cost $15 at Walmart or $20 on Amazon.
There's way more choices nowadays than ever. Honestly, being at a small show is no excuse. If you're serious about your work enough to try and sell it, at least make it look presentable.
Selling at a show isn't for people who just want to sell to make their trip money back. it's a place to connect with people and grow your brand.
She is very sweet, but I feel the same way.
I remember her mentioning her smaller prints sell fine, but not her bigger ones. I'm pretty sure it's her use of color that's doing it.
Playing with light with watercolor isn't hard to do. You can glaze and lift colors that don't stain (or take advantage of the ones that do stain), use masking fluid or just avoid spots outright to let the white of the paper show through, or even go for gouache if you like to work dark. It doesn't need a heavy hand and can go quickly.
I actually though her stuff was done in marker, at first. I hope she gets a better grip on it all someday.
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Some back and forth over this that wasn't posted
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'I just wanna improve! AM I BLIND??' She sounds so salty lmao
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In their minds they are taking part of a hype, remaining relevant whithout needing to put any effert on the post. Is lazy bait.
Is easier to just post some political caption over some shitty doodle than making a new piece and they still expect people to eat it up because is a trending topic and is so hot and polemic right now in the current outrage culture climate of bullshit. Probably followed by some avengers end game bullshit or some yas queen GOT meme because of course, thats also trending. Even the commies milk it by shitting on the corporate stuff the momment it goes viral , they are still using the hashtag hype to push their shit.
Yeah shes regressing really bad as an artist. But shes too built up on popularity for this stuff to hit her. If shes gonna even listen any its going to have to come from someone bigger than her or at least consistent critique.
Even then shes likely to deny and act sweet until fans fight'm off.
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Yeah, pic related is the latest page of her comic, p135
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And this is page 7. Shouldn’t there be more.. improvement after such a long time? Honestly it feels like her comic has lost the original feeling it had, the line work and colours aren’t as appealing now
I don't think previous anon meant to start flinging mud at her husband. Most likely just curious about her spouse's looks, and you cant even say he deserves anonymity because Kasey has made SEVERAL videos with him with the clickbaity "muh husband draws".
He seems like a pretty chill guy from those videos and I also wouldn't condone shitting on him but hey, this is an anon message board so what are you gonna do.
You have google, if you give a shit about what he looks like then just do some digging yourself, I don’t think any other anon particularly cares
Although from that video with doodle date collab he seems to be just as mean as she is
$5 commissions are always a really bad look, they reflect poorly on the whole industry and set a precedent for customers expecting luxury items for insanely low costs (at the the end of the day artwork is very much a luxury purchase)
It’s always the same reasons they give too, ‘oh but I don’t think I’m good enough to charge more’ - then don’t sell your art. If it’s not worth more than minimum wage then why are you even selling it in the first place, go practice until you feel more confident in your skills.
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There’s more than one way to lay down washes and I’d have difficulty explaining it well over text, but her washes seem to laid down almost randomly which is creating a lot of splotches all over the piece, and there are just so many visible layers for every single element within the piece that there’s no clear focal point and creates a very cluttered feeling to the whole painting. But as another anon said one of the biggest issues is a lack of understanding values and creating good contrast
Overall though watercolours are a medium that are very easy to overwork because of their transparent nature, people tend to go ham but you’d think someone whose been working with them for so long would’ve gotten that under control by now through trial and error
How is she so bad at looking at her own anatomy. This was shown previously in the thread or in the last one, but her spine goes into her leg……. drawing a skeleton does not perfect anatomy make.
The thing is that you gotta understand basic anatomy before you squash or stretch it into a cartoon style and I think she's just forgetting that.
another video with no art in it. all that 'I want to be a serious artist' stuff still not making it to YT. Just be a youtuber! Stop all the 'I'm a professinal full time artist" stuff.
also I realised one thing that winds me up about her is she can't end a video, she sys 'I hope you enjoyed this' and 'thank you for watching' at least four times every single video. nitpick I know but.
How comes she has such a little following after more than 1300 videos? And even with 8k followers, shouldnt she have more views?
And she ist not worse than all the other medicore "artist" with a bigger following and maybe 200 videos.
Or is the youtube algorithm screwing her over?
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Wtf?? Anatomy is better than her ither pictures, but that image…
Is she trying to copy Loputyn? While Loputun is making cringe art but in a very esthetic way, this is just gross in my opinion
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And here are the crawler…
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I just don’t get the appeal of artwork like this that incorporates male gaze bullshit as well as extreme pornified lesbianism. Just another reason for me to dislike the current crop of lowbrow/pop surrealism artwork.
>>411681>stares at candy with her dead fish eyes "you guys sure know what to get a diabetic"
Also I just can't get her sense of humour or her spouses.
Oh haha weenies butts hairy legs pubes dog dicks. You dont have to act the age of your audience yknow.
And A+ to ManKasey for making fun of Adams colorblindness that was a totally mature joke and he seems like a well adjusted individual who doesn't spend all his free time playing video games. Haha :).
Sage your posts.
In the email bit of where you comment just type in sage before posting.
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That was my first assumption but so many women are into this sort of “art” and many of the artists who make this kind of stuff are women too. Can’t help but think that it’s women meme-ing themselves to wanting to be “le uwu submissive erotic hyper-feminine fantasy for men.” Pic related by Soey Milk who also used to draw more of this kind of gross crap too.
Conversely, maybe it's just women representing sexuality in the way they want? Sexuality is a huge part of any human media, this is it present through a female human gaze
At the end of the day, I don't know the answer. I believe the former statement but also I believe lots of this art is also made by girls who have been brainwashed into the "cool girl" meme. Who can say what's true, it's very subjective
Omg lol. Soey Milk always painted some sm stuff, but this one crosses the border as well as relm.
They are looking like children with boobs and hips and way to short legs…giving milk.
Sex sells, but please keep some dignity
Why does she consistently seem to include lesbians in her work? Looked at her insta and there's…a good bit.
Is she just using it as an aesthetic? It is a bit off, I'm used to lesbian and even bisexual artists portraying women differently. So I guess she's not..?>>411947
I though this was lolishit jfc. If they were flat I'd know no better.
Also seems she's dating an older man atm? Hmm. Wild how she paints beautiful women but is dating an ugly old man.
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Some of Soey’s old art was just incredibly disgusting-looking and cringy. This is her rendition of Princess Bubblegum for instance from way back when.
Her art nowadays is better and has definitely matured a bit thematically but it still sometimes has weird and broken anatomy.>>411955
She started dating Kent Williams when she was still his student at ArtCenter. He’s basically twice her age but is a well-renowned fine artist so he likely helped boost her artistic career quite a bit. He isn’t that bad-looking for his age but it is sketchy as fuck how their relationship formed and the dynamic is creepy.
What bothers me a lot about the more contemporary female lewd artists is that it often is way too cutesy and childlike and they try to push an image of innocence, a lot of the artists also seem to be extremely sexually inexperienced tbh
It’s a pretty stark contrast to male lewd artists that tend to make it seem like a torture session though, they also seem sexually inexperienced in the sense that they can’t imagine female pleasure that isn’t expressed through pain/humiliation/discomfort
Why can’t lewd artists just draw sex normally
Wow, I would've never have guessed Soey Milk's older work was more cartoonish, based on her current painting output. Are these from when she was still an ACCD student?
I'm glad to hear someone else talk about her relationship with Williams. There's also a lot of overlap (tassels, BDSM imagery, similar models, color choices) in their work that freaks me out when you consider their age-gap/initial teacher-professor relationship.
Also as a bit of an aside, she also plays up being a sex kitten with all the festival/art-ho outfits they post between her and Williams' IG accounts. It probably helps to be really hot and create exceptional work.
From what I recall, this kind of stuff was done during her time as a student and shortly after graduation. She was still doing her more realistic portraits when she was at school too. Obviously, it’s the latter work that appealed to fine art galleries the most so she seemed to ditch the cartoony stuff later on.
Art Center actually has a bad record of covering up inappropriate teacher-student relationships. It’s against the rules there yet people look the other way. Soey apparently dumped an ex who was a fellow student and a talented artist in his own right for Kent.
A lot of the old work can be found here:http://uyubomb.blogspot.com/
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Thanks, anon. That old blog must be buried under all her new (understandable) rebranding as a fine artist. Found more of her student era work, too: http://www.paperdarts.org/art-archive/art-soey-milk.htmlhttps://mocoloco.com/peck-the-deer-by-soey-milk/
There's such a sudden pivot to her current style–just compare pic attached to any of her recent IG posts–that it makes her and Williams' relationship even more icky. I still fucking love her work, though.
Do you have any more dirt on ACCD? As acclaimed as Art Center and the other prestigious art schools are, I always hear sketchy things concerning tuition hikes, certain degree tracks being bloated (specifically Art Center's Illustration degree program being filled to the brim with students who can't get past the higher requirements of Entertainment Design), and little things like that.
Oh shit really? Back when I was considering art school I was thinking of ACCD but had heard mixed things from alumni including some mentions of inappropriate conduct.
One of Kent’s most recent IG Posts is a drawing of a girl who looks like Soey masturbating so there’s that. Lol.
The school is definitely accepting WAY more students than it should be, especially illustration students which make up the majority of all majors. Parking and class registration are huge issues on campus due to this and some teachers have secretly expressed racist sentiments toward the influx of foreign students since they’re some of the only students who can afford the outrageous tuition and make up a huge portion of students as a result. From what I’ve heard, getting into Art Center was way more difficult back in the 90s than it is now. A lot of students can’t help but feel this is all due to greed since the school keeps expanding. Tuition keeps increasing something like $1000+ every term.
I’ve heard about certain teachers (in particular, a well-known entertainment sketch artist) hitting on multiple young female students and trying to get into relationships with them. Seeing how Kent and Soey probably weren’t really even hiding it, I can’t help but feel the school really doesn’t see this sort of inappropriate behavior as a huge issue and I get the feeling a lot of students don’t see anything wrong with behavior like that and don’t feel compelled to report it. Plus, the class settings in art school isn’t so formal like in a traditional university setting which makes students question such behavior even less.
It must suck spending so much money to go to these expensive American schools and still not be as good as some east european or asian artist that came out of nowhere, paints like crazy, charges less than americans and are the ones taking all the industry jobs.
The one thing those schools really offer is connections, a lot of jobs and opportunities are based on referals and how many degrees of separation are between you and the people hiring. If you are a lolcow that didn´t made important friends during your campus days you really threw that money away. I see a lot of brazilians who are mostly self taught finding high paying jobs basically after pirating the shit out of all software and all the courses from online academies. Competition is pretty messed up for northamericans who need to charge way more than foreigners in order to make their career choice viable.
I know that Carly S frequents and posts in these threads often which is hilarious, considering that her art is no different from what’s being critiqued. It kind of makes it hard for me to take commentary in here seriously because of that. Total hypocrisy lol. >>411886
Relm’s stuff is so …autoerotic? It seems like she’s always drawing one face that she thinks she looks like/wants to look like having sex with clones of itself. It’s so formulaic and boring.
Yeah but is that place even offering “connections” or just old guys to fuck to get into the industry?
I don’t think pop surrealism is art at all, to me its plain and simply porn and the whole crowd around it weirds me tf out and idk why anyone here would want to get into this fine art gallery crowd at all. What’s the appeal?
I can tell you that the industry connection events during graduation for illustration majors are huge jokes. Unless you’re an extremely talented entertainment design artist or someone who will fit in perfectly at a design agency, very few industry reps who visit will bother with most illustration majors’ portfolios.
Also, the pop surrealism scene is just pure trash. I’ve just seen way too much work of same-looking doe-eyed women that rip off Mark Ryden or Audrey Kawasaki. I can only assume that the people into that kind of art are just those who are part of that general shallow, trashy LA scene.
is your cowboy board public or private because i would love to see it, i would also love to see your comic. i know you probably don't want to out yourself on lc but i am very interested.
-t.anon who loves yeehaw stuff
Those are not necessarily the valuable connections but the ones you make with your peers. You might eventually get into an studio or some project because someone you went to school with recommended you.
Its about degrees of separation. Knowing someone that might know someone, that might know someone, etc. Even when not helping you directly that contact with other people in the same field in the same time and place is valuable, maybe not valuable enough to justify the student debt just so you can loose your job opportunities to some self taught brazilian that pirated some courses but hey. such is life.
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Also on of them! Her coloring is genius level, but such sexualizing of children cant go through as art anymore.
Not really sweet at all, then.
I can't stand that level of entitlement. No wonder she can't and won't improve despite all the work she's done.
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>Yeah but is that place even offering “connections” or just old guys to fuck to get into the industry?
Hey, I never post in this thread but a friend of mine made me aware of the current ACCD topic so I figured I'd help answer. I'm an Illustration Student in ENT track.
I'll just answer some of the snippets I saw above on your response anon. To start off the school does actually offer connections in more ways that one. The anon that said peers are the most important which I agree with, but your teachers are important as well. I currently freelancing. A former teacher of mine made me aware of a job and encouraged me to apply, she was sweet enough to write me a letter of rec. I'm currently freelancing for 3 different studios, two of which I have to thank because of ACCD.
The story the anon told above was only inappropriate because she was a his student during a term. Teachers are free to fuck/date (no matter how creepy we find it) as long as the student isn't currently in your classes. Anon's need to keep in mind the average student at ACCD is 23-25 or older.
I've gotten my connections from mostly reaching out to my teachers and being nice to my classmates. If you're a student putting all your eggs in a basket for grad night, hoping a studio gives you a job there than I'm sorry that's naive. ACCD actually offers internship and independent studies through the school for big name studios/companies. I've only seen students outside of my track take advantage of it though. I'll be honest from my point of few a lot of ENT Illustration students just don't think ahead until they are about to graduate and realize they haven't been polishing up their work for a portfolio or networking.
About the Tuition, every art school raises it each year, it is basically just greed I'm not going to defend that shit. However, I'm on 98% scholarship (they finally raised it enough where I'm no longer at 100).
I'll oversimplify how I got it that high. I'm poor, because my family is stupidly poor FASFA gives me more money. Majority of my tuition is covered by 4 ACCD scholarships and 1 grant. The grant was literally given to me because I had a record of having good grades from high school through community college. 1 of my scholarships if over 10k, I got it because my portfolio was good.
I'm not an "A" student at ACCD. I'm a "C". I don't mean it grade wise I always get B's or A's as my final grade. I mean that as I'm not the "top" student in each class. I'm the top student in the classes that I need for my career. I'll end by what my teachers always shill to us. "It's the "C" students who make it far as they are strategic about how to get through each assignment they struggle with. They reach out for help more and ask questions."
I won't lie that a few students (all majors) have probably slept with or flirted with teachers (male and female) to get ahead. The anon didn't even touch how the rich students use their money to make amazing amazing assignments. I'm apart of the artcenter students who quietly does their work, reach out/networks, and just isn't a fucking asshole( trust anons there's many here) so people want to see you reach your goals.
Sorry this was long. I'll answer anymore questions before my break ends.
>>412093>Teachers are free to fuck/date (no matter how creepy we find it) as long as the student isn't currently in your classes.
Actually, I’m pretty sure I read the guidelines set by the CSE before and it’s against the rules. Any accredited university will basically severely penalize a professor for engaging in such behavior even if the student is outside of their class. The environment of an art school just cannot compare to something like an actual liberal arts university though so of course they don’t really care unless someone actually makes a fuss about it.
Also, internships and references mainly apply for Entertainment Arts track. For the illustration design students, it’s a completely different field and they make up something like, what, 60% of the illustration department? For Illustration Design students, a lot of it is more based on luck and sending out promo materials/business cards and hoping some publisher or whatever will bite and commission you. There aren’t really any studio internships unless you’re heavily into motion design and graphic design side of things. I have talented illustration design friends who have won awards struggling to get anyone to hire them. Teachers often say to give it at least seven years after graduation before you start making a living off of it. Anybody considering the school should keep that in mind.
The polices haven't been updated anon, no where does it say it's not allowed unless you're currently a students of that instructor or teacher assistant. From the instructor who worked on that very case(was happy to answer to anyone who asked him), he said as long as the student isn't currently enrolled in the class and isn't forced into it then it's fine. If you still don't believe me I suggest just getting your friend (who I think I know who it is from when you dropped that percentile) to just ask CSE on campus themselves. There's another teacher I've heard about that would date his former students and get the girls to dye their hair platinum blonde, then cut their hair super short. It happened with about 3 different girl (your friend will probably know who I'm talking about).
I did say I'm in the Ent. track anon. So I answered according to that. I have heard that it's hard out there for Illustration design students but I never (from any major) a reference from a studio/company you teacher working at never get you a job, even if it's just one temporary gig or them just doing a tiny job under their teacher for payment.
I've heard give it UP TO seven years.I think I'd kill myself if my mentor was like "yeah it's going to take 7 years but after bruh you're solid". That number is if you made no connections/networking/and have just a decent portfolio right out of school. Again, I'm only going to speak on behalf of my track. I should say, I'm still enrolled in ACCD I haven't graduated.(I took a term off because of my mentorship and these freelance gigs made available to me)
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I wonder what sort of collab they must have been up to 1/2
Their faces next to each other make me very uncomftorable. It's not even that I find them appalling to look at separately but man is this picture something I've seen in a nightmare before.
But also lol at Kaseys uwu peace sign, very "hello fellow young people" of her.