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10/10 thread description, anon.
Kasey Golden is such an ugly person. Not even talking about her face here. Her personality is rotten to the core. I bet she will try and keep this fire going for as long as she possibly can just for the attention and "these haters keep trying to bring me down but I don't care haha :):):))):):):)):)::):):):):):) please believe me how much I genuinely don't care hahahahahaha :):):)::):):):)"
I wonder if any of the profilic art tubers will stand up in public against Kasey or if they will all just show their undying support to her just because she has almost 1 million subs.
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Tried finding anything on the holtby artist, I'd say it's possibly this one guy since that T could be a J instead. James Hamilton Holtby.
Kasey should contact the resources listed on the site because apparently they keep an extensive paper trail on artists in Canada.
I hate when they use white as the hair highlight like their hair has high shine gloss poured over it>>409498
The style is just so fugly in both, but especially the right. And the shading and way they drew it makes the right tit look way bigger than the left
You're highkey wrong
Kasey would never say "please"
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All thats missing is a passive aggressive "haha :)"
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Yes because it's only AFTER you drew all over their paintings you want to contact them.
And not only that but specifically because she got backlash.
Do you think she would give two fucks if no one or just a small percentage of people were outraged?
Painfully obvious this is just damage control.
But hey that's just the 'opinion' of a 'hater' right Kasey "always right no regerts" Golden?
I'm looking on twitter and apart from a couple of tweets I'm not finding much hate there. The youtube comments against her on this are mostly "Kasey ily but this video made me uncomfortable plz dont hate me!"
Is she talking about us when she says haters?
Oh god let that be true, it would be hilarious and more Cow-like than most artubers haha, keep on feeding us Mistress Kasey! We hunger for your nummy haha childish behavior and :) passive aggressiveness!
Yeah, her comparing it to being like the Campbell brother's painting over Hitler's work and that somehow made what Kasey did okay was just….ehhhhhh
Like, you know they intended to deface Hitler's art, that they intended disrespect. Why would you try to bring it up as support
for Kasey. It's just a strange comparison, even if you do think it's fin to paint over thrift store paintings
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Not many people calling her out in her community post on YouTube, but the ones who do get a :) passive :) aggressive :) smiley face :):):):)
The girl calling her out is right on the money
you shouldnt. youll just be giving her moneny and fuelling her
>uwu :):):) i did nothing nothing wrong :):):)
Exactly. She'll never
admit she was wrong publicly and you would just make her $100 (or however much she charges for originals) richer.
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I love her artwork but why oh why does she have to be so fucking trashy
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And what the fuck are ‘genderfluid’ cats supposed to be?? Do they meow like boy cats one day and girl cats the next lmao
Okay, first of all: why did you make me see this with my own two eyes
Second of all: holy triple chin batman
Lastly: who is this? Are we supposed to recognize her on sight?
Gemma Flack, she’s a decently well known artist within the Australian indie art scene. Isn’t hugely popular when compared to most of the other artists brought up ITT but is in general a very unpleasant person and leaves a bad taste in everyone’s mouths when they meet her
Had the misfortune of tabling next to her one year for a zine fair
Reminds me of an even uglier version of that art that’s in those music videos (can’t remember the songs but you know the ones
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I can see why Sarlis art wouldn’t be everyone’s cup of tea but I certainly wouldn’t call it ugly. Crude, yeah, but that’s the whole point
Personally I really dig her work, both her newer and older stuff
- she reeked
- her clothes were utterly filthy
- barely smiled or spoke to anyone, even those who came up to her table (kinda just snatched money off of them and handed their zines with a grunt)
- you know how some people just give off this really foul aura that makes you not wanna go near them? Had that going on big time
- constantly going on about HAES shit
- goes on about how ~queer~ she is, meanwhile is in a very long term hetero relationship last I checked
- has decided she’s nonbinary and will bring it up every chance she gets with her posts
- is every dumbass sjw stereotype of Melbourne rolled into one
I think you're overthinking this TBH you should make zines that you enjoy and think your audience will enjoy as well. Other artists have different artists and audiences.
If you're gonna spend your time complaining about how other people care /too/ much for politics/activism/etc. you're just gonna waste your time & come across as a douchebag tbh…
I don't think is douchey when almost everything available is on these topics and I find it quite hard to introduce them to people without them thinking is something super indie
Just my two cents
I honestly don't even get what you're complaining about. You think it's douchey that people make political zines? Lol
Just tell people "hey this is my zine, it's about x and y". Make a good cover that illustrates your theme. Google "how to market merch / brand yourself". There's tons of apolitical merch and zines out there, it shouldn't be that hard……
Lol the point of a zine is to be whatever you want it to be. So what if other people are doing political things? Like the other anon said, zines have often feature politics in the past. Nowadays, it's more artsy fartsy.
The point is, do whatever you want. If people want to be extra edgy, let them. Like they have their edgy zine market, you have your non-political, carnivore, round, un-creepy market too. Seriously. Food zines sell like hotcakes, and those aren't political for the most part.
Ok anon I feel your question is being disregarded here. Yes, if your zine isn’t political and vegan friendly you’re probably not gonna want to sell at those trash poetry slam zine fairs. Could you turn it into a graphic over instead? There’s still a lot of edge in that scene, too and I’m rly tired of it as well.
Also regarding the tatted up fattie, why does all this modern garbage focus so much on the anus? Im over it.
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Honestly I love all of her artwork and enjoy watching her grow as an artist and continue experimenting, she’s for sure one of my biggest artistic influences and inspirations
I am, I see those things every singe day on twitter. I’m thisclose to blocking anyone that RTs it. People only follow with the assumption that you’ll follow back and if you don’t, they drop you. They still unfollow after a bit anyway so I don’t see the appeal of it.
It’s just as annoying as people following you on IG in the hopes you follow back and they drop you days later just so they can boost their follower count. (I’ve seen this mostly from cosplayer accounts and amateur artists/models)
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You're at the Thrift shop and this woman slaps you boyfriends ass
What do you do ?
I distract her by throwing a picasso to the side, I bought it at a second hand store so it doesn't matter or have any value (and it's boring so who cares).
As she's distracted by defacing the painting with naked pink butt babies we make our hasty retreat.
i dont even disagree with what she did but she lost me with this behaviour.
I know it's some kind of ironic humour thing for her to say shitty things with a flat tone so maybe this is the case for this picture and it's actually weirdly self-parodying/deprecating but if she finds this funny idk what to do.
maybe she has some kind of autistic tendencies, her delivery always is so flat and confusing
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Sometimes I genuinely regret not jumping on the art tuber train, I’d fucking love for Faber Castell to send me free shit.
Also, I guess a Faber Castell x Kasey video is coming soon
Its not whoring if you say that good stuff is good.
Its whoring if you say Arteza Stuff is premium ;)
I would love to get presents from Daniel Smith, Schmincke, Old Holland, Faber Castell etc.
And I would prise the hell put of them.(;))
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Get outta here emojifag
Kasey seems to be perpetually stuck in an American high school drama where the entire world revolves around her and how cool
Nina Paley is an odd woman
she believes copyright should not exist at all,she's a radical feminist who hates her mother and a lot of other women,is friends with Jordan Peterson,Is a non-practicing Jew that has complex and back peddling views on Israel and still thinks bitcoin can work and right now is in trouble against various companies for using copy righted music in her latest film
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she holds some very conflicting views
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What’s my prize? I’m not actually sure why I even own a microwave, I pretty much never use it other than to make popcorn
Uh, if you're lower class, you totally do. Not enough time or money to cook = frozen food.
Also, "farmed" beef and chicken? All livestock is "farmed", wtf is that phrasing? Does she mean like… mass-produced meat?
How is it bad to have a fucking retirement plan?
This woman is nuts.
You’re acting like saucepans aren’t a thing, and eating frozen food all the time is not at all the smart thing to do when you have little income. Cooking is by far the cheapest choice, especially since you can make meals in bulk and make sure they’re nutritious while budget friendly
This is getting OT though
Honestly it just feels scummy to me. Like, I can understand if there were special event things similar to 'visible women artists day' for like specific genres of art or something, since that's a legitimate thing people might be interested in. But, then they make it about themselves and often it has nothing to do with their art, so it's like… why?
I can somewhat understand it when the visibility thing has to do with the art (like visible women day artists who primarily draw/make comics about women), but idk why it wouldn't just be about the art in the first place? Why does their pronouns or sexuality matter? For pity? Like I said, kinda scummy.
Sometimes I'm like "I shouldn't be selling myself is xyz artist"
but then other times I use highly popular hashtags and try to play the hashtag game because sometimes you gotta just sell out. It sucks but hey… If all I've got to do to hustle a bit more is mention I'm not white, which if people met me in person they'd know instantly, that's a very small tiny little thing in the grand scheme of things.
Also am I the only one who doesn't really care about the descriptors unless the artist is from the same country as me? Because otherwise I could care less and look at the art more than anything.
This goes hand in hand with those Twitter threads >>409943
mentioned. Most of the artists promote their race/gender/sexuality before their art and it's really disappointing that a lot of these kids eat that up no matter how bad the art is.
This video bothered me so much. The artist had every right to block emily. I block people all the fucking time. People are creepy and she just kept randomly messaging him. >>410588
Also its useful if the thing your hashtagging about is impacting your art. If you’re making art that talks about gender then it makes sense to use that hashtag.
a good person with an interesting life/artistic motivation, doesnt make 3-part videos about what sounds like a typical toxic
relationship. she needs to get over herself. this whole drama she is making now seems totally on brand to all of her stories she has told. she’s a shitty person and is trying to market off of it, instead of bettering herself.
I hate pinterest. It's so fucking invasive and the times I've tried to use it, it takes up more time than it's worth. It's ok for looking at other people's boards, but making them myself on a clumsy userface isn't necessarily what I want to do with my time.
Not to mention half the time it's uncredited work, or you have to type -pinterest so that it doesn't show up. Sorry, don't agree! but if it floats your boat, good on you. >>410636
Assuming everyone is on social media to 'see success' according to you.
I think 4-5 years ago teens were the only majority on social media, but that isnt true anymore. i dont follow teenagers, i follow adults like me. the people i talk to are adults, i make art and market towards adults. and the adults i interact with are some of the teenagers from 4-5 years ago, like me. now, social media is less niche, less 'just for kids'. when getting into the art world, the questions you get are 'do you have a portfolio' and 'do you have an instagram'. my college admissions counselor asked me those, and several professors since. having the perspective of 'Teens make up the bulk of social media', is simply no longer correct. sure, you can appeal for that market, but anything can find an audience online and be successful. its just in the marketing.
I use it too but my boards are full of country boys and rodeo cowboys so i can't really relate to the whole girl situation
Is very true tho that the majority of stuff is for girl made by girls
I do, I have an alternate universe comic with cowboys
Got tired of people making a canon couple all feminine so I took out the big guns and brought some muscles
Not everyone is happy but I surely am (stop making male characters basically women thanks) >>410826
I do fancomics and, to be honest, if you read all the "country boy" quotes/t-shirt is a laugh confirmed
Is super hilarious
I cheer myself up with those sometimes
Same, is great and you don't have to save everything in a folder you have only on your laptop. It's easily accessible from all devices
The only thing is the credits, so I try to at least avoid pinning artwork
realised this video is pretty old, it was just popping up in my recommended
he also mainly got famous through his “hot baby stitter“ storytimes which are just so cringy/disgusting
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Where is her body? Or is she just face, boobs and one leg?
I use Pinterest a lot for the same reasons. If I have a specific subject or theme on my mind, I can make a board with a bunch of reference material.
When I was in school, we were made to hand in mood boards along with our preliminary rough work and I found it to be an easy resource. I just carried on making mood boards for all future projects and eventually adopted it because I like the organization of unlimited boards and subcategories.
Is it worth following accounts? I keep all my boards private and I'm usually happy enough with the default feed I get, and then I fall into rabbitholes of related images when I find something.
Good god that’s hideous. They have to put that pornified airbrush modern-beauty-standards face into every picture, no matter how stupid it looks.
Gotta love how there’s no damage done to her leg by the arrowheads
I create mood boards for everything too lol. Pinterest is great for that.
I follow a handful of accounts on there but honestly my feed is such a mess that I don’t even bother with it 99% of the time & just search for what I need.
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Wonder if she’ll pocket it.
Or just four separate people all not knowing how to sage?!>>411288
Eh after a while you just learn to do the art you want to do. Algorithms fuck you over anyway. I can do one finished piece and one sketch, but the former will get no attention whilst the latter gets a bunch of likes. Why? WHO KNOWS! It's not like it's 'better' in any way. Still, it's a hustle to try and get a following. General advice is to not look for a following but instead look for friends.
I’m a small hobbyist art tuber I guess. But I see myself more as just an artist there rather than youtuber. Youtube is more annoying than other platforms when it comes to engagement, you tend to grow more steadily but if you skip even one video it makes a huge difference in metrics. Then you have someone like me who doesn’t post regularly ever, let’s just say that it really shows.
Overall it’s like that pretty much on other platforms. All of my social media is very small and it just doesn’t really grow, because I can’t play the game but, because of that you kinda force yourself to draw just for your own enjoyment. If you rely on numbers online that you just don’t get, you’ll make yoyrself very miserable. Sure comment etc would be nice but you have to learn to live without.
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lmaooooo this ugliest fucking thing i've seen a while. it's not even a head it's just a face floating in space like some kind of monster from a doctor who episode.
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OMFG BRIAN ugh This is the same asshole who bitched about people having fanart at NYCC last year. He hasted someone across from him for selling Transformers character art and that's "Cheating" since Mr Brian Shearer over here does inkwork for "the real Transformaers comic" so they're "stealing from him"
he also likes to talk big about how "print wall artists" are the scum of the earth. His table at said NYCC looked like ass.
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Honestly, though. What is with artists who do artist alley and can't seem to make a display and just dump all their shit on the table and in front of it?
The AA scene isn't some casual thing anymore, but at least TRY???
Honestly studio vlogs are either hit or miss - some of them hit a nice algorithm. Some of mine are okayish. I made them because I liked them, helps me make content that I enjoy and without the need to make every art a video.
I actually only watch art vlogs now. I used to watch a lot of art videos but I really don’t find them that interesting now.
YouTube is a difficult minefield now - you can hustle hard but you need to not expect it to be overnight. Or over year. You might hit an algorithm and get lucky like some or you could do drama, entertaining or clickbaity stuff to get the views.
I think they can be cool if the person submitting likes the artists style or knows they are a better artist, and wants to see their OC fully realized.
But so many of them change important character traits or the feeling of the original piece just like the draw this in your style thing.
I don't know, I've had a different experience where I'll have a steady upload schedule, the follows might
trickle in but when I'm not uploading suddenly my older stuff will get views and comments and I'll get subs. So I'm not even in a rush anymore. This is a long game for me. But that's just mu experience.
Marker artist here.
As the other anon said every medium has its advantages and disadvantages. Markers (copics) are convenient in ways others aren't. For example they're incredibly quick and when it comes to doing art for social media speed is a must since you really don't have that much time. Another thing is that the majority of us don't sell originals. We mostly do prints and products. There are other things that make markers worth it, but that's not relevant.
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i'm typically a fan of this artist, even if their newer stuff gives me serious rcdart flashbacks, but this recent post was the straw that broke my damn back. the comments are absolutely exceptional, so many people bringing up valid points while the artist and their asspatters default to "anyways ACAB but go off bootlicker 😤💅👢👅💦💦"
i understand the keeping corporations out of pride thing, like the mega-million dollar ones just out for your money and using pride as advertising, but some corps are made by and for lgbt groups, or have ethical standards of practice. and like, there are gay cops?
blanket statements like this just prove that these people have about the rational depth of a teaspoon.
Most of the truly great artists and instructors that do redraws and overpaints won´t do it unless they are mentoring you or you are paying for their courses.
Usually is the shittiest amateur artists that play pretend they are teachers the ones doing redraws on youtube and is always a noob rerawing stuff from a slightly noobier noob, theres so many bad tutorials from people who should be studying themselves, i hate how common of an exposure ploy doing tutorials and teaching art has become.
His pronouns are clearly stated as he/him in his instagram… don't be acting foolish lmao and don't be acting like a transphobic fucktruck either.
It takes literally no energy not to be asshole and just write 'his'.(back to tumblr with you)
This board is pretty radfem anon, you're not impressing anyone with this…
I agree people should use the correct pronouns and whatnot, but someone using the wrong one on an anonymous imageboard affects nobody
Literally doesn’t affect them in any way what pronouns are used on an imageboard, don’t act like some holier than thou nonnie
when you’re on fucking lolcow, an imageboard dedicated to shitting on people.
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anyway does anyone have a screenshot of kasey fuckin that painting up?
just prepping for something
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do you think she grew up terribly sheltered and this is just her weird way of overcompensating on not being like how she was raised?
so many artists i used to enjoy fall victim
to this shit. in an effort to look "woke" they all make the same "political" art - like this intellectually stimulating picture of a pink dog-thing making a blanket statement. they dive deeper and deeper into their gender/sexuality, and only follow similar people, so they all collectively get more and more unhinged. it's particularly frustrating to watch for me since i used to be balls deep in sjw shit, but even back then i wasn't drawing anime characters in non-ironic "down with cis" shirts. a lot of artists don't seem to understand that just because your art instagram is popular, you aren't an activist. and unless you actually ARE an activist it's better for your career to keep your mouth shut and keep posting your pretty pictures. why would you choose to purposely alienate members of your audience just to make such a lukewarm take?
>>411460>do you think she grew up terribly sheltered and this is just her weird way of overcompensating on not being like how she was raised?
Honestly yes she looks like it
I'm pretty sure she's likely a virgin as well
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Nevermind I got it
She could be Asexual, just saying.
A married virgin. lol
She's a lovely person that seems to specialise in giving lots of tutorials and advice to convention goers etc. Her art is definitely geared towards children. I think she does make art for childrens books or something? Comics??
Either way I think if you're going to be making an entire comic in watercolours, best to keep the techniques simple so you don't kill yourself by page 5, not saying that people DON'T use complex watercolour techniques. Just saying if it's a side gig, don't keel over on detail. I haven't seen much of her other art though so no clue about how her watercolours fair in other illustrations.
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Her color choices really don't enhance her work at all. Some of the illustrations end up kinda muddy.
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She seems pleasant, I do webcomics so she's a friend of some of my friends. I've never seen her do anything cunty or rude, and she put out a scholarship with her husband for artists so that seemed nice of her. I've relied on some of her reviews while looking for cheap art supplies.
To be frank, though, I can't stand her art. She has no sense of color or using watercolors properly despite using them for years, and her fundamentals are amateur level despite having gone to art school. It's not terrible, but it's incredibly mediocre.
Her art's just quite plain. There's no sense of lighting or environment between this image and the one posted by the previous anon. Looks like they could be in the exact same place since the lighting is so flat and forward?
I think her art could be improved by playing around with lighting more. Not sure how hard that is with watercolours, not an expert, but it'd make the characters fit better with the environment.
one word though,
please guys for the love of GOD go to the dollar store and get a plastic disposable one. im sick of seeing grungy tables littered with stuff. it cheapens your art, it makes your work look like it's part of a garage sale.
Heck, SIGNAGE, just ANY nice signage would be a plus.
Do some research. most basic things you'd ever need for an artist alley display can be found at most dollar stores.
Back in 2009 I used to use Locker shelves to clip stuff to. There are so many things that are now easy to find for displays that don't even cost more than $5.
Even grid shelves only cost $15 at Walmart or $20 on Amazon.
There's way more choices nowadays than ever. Honestly, being at a small show is no excuse. If you're serious about your work enough to try and sell it, at least make it look presentable.
Selling at a show isn't for people who just want to sell to make their trip money back. it's a place to connect with people and grow your brand.
She is very sweet, but I feel the same way.
I remember her mentioning her smaller prints sell fine, but not her bigger ones. I'm pretty sure it's her use of color that's doing it.
Playing with light with watercolor isn't hard to do. You can glaze and lift colors that don't stain (or take advantage of the ones that do stain), use masking fluid or just avoid spots outright to let the white of the paper show through, or even go for gouache if you like to work dark. It doesn't need a heavy hand and can go quickly.
I actually though her stuff was done in marker, at first. I hope she gets a better grip on it all someday.
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Some back and forth over this that wasn't posted
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'I just wanna improve! AM I BLIND??' She sounds so salty lmao
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In their minds they are taking part of a hype, remaining relevant whithout needing to put any effert on the post. Is lazy bait.
Is easier to just post some political caption over some shitty doodle than making a new piece and they still expect people to eat it up because is a trending topic and is so hot and polemic right now in the current outrage culture climate of bullshit. Probably followed by some avengers end game bullshit or some yas queen GOT meme because of course, thats also trending. Even the commies milk it by shitting on the corporate stuff the momment it goes viral , they are still using the hashtag hype to push their shit.
Yeah shes regressing really bad as an artist. But shes too built up on popularity for this stuff to hit her. If shes gonna even listen any its going to have to come from someone bigger than her or at least consistent critique.
Even then shes likely to deny and act sweet until fans fight'm off.
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Yeah, pic related is the latest page of her comic, p135
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And this is page 7. Shouldn’t there be more.. improvement after such a long time? Honestly it feels like her comic has lost the original feeling it had, the line work and colours aren’t as appealing now
I don't think previous anon meant to start flinging mud at her husband. Most likely just curious about her spouse's looks, and you cant even say he deserves anonymity because Kasey has made SEVERAL videos with him with the clickbaity "muh husband draws".
He seems like a pretty chill guy from those videos and I also wouldn't condone shitting on him but hey, this is an anon message board so what are you gonna do.
You have google, if you give a shit about what he looks like then just do some digging yourself, I don’t think any other anon particularly cares
Although from that video with doodle date collab he seems to be just as mean as she is
$5 commissions are always a really bad look, they reflect poorly on the whole industry and set a precedent for customers expecting luxury items for insanely low costs (at the the end of the day artwork is very much a luxury purchase)
It’s always the same reasons they give too, ‘oh but I don’t think I’m good enough to charge more’ - then don’t sell your art. If it’s not worth more than minimum wage then why are you even selling it in the first place, go practice until you feel more confident in your skills.
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There’s more than one way to lay down washes and I’d have difficulty explaining it well over text, but her washes seem to laid down almost randomly which is creating a lot of splotches all over the piece, and there are just so many visible layers for every single element within the piece that there’s no clear focal point and creates a very cluttered feeling to the whole painting. But as another anon said one of the biggest issues is a lack of understanding values and creating good contrast
Overall though watercolours are a medium that are very easy to overwork because of their transparent nature, people tend to go ham but you’d think someone whose been working with them for so long would’ve gotten that under control by now through trial and error
How is she so bad at looking at her own anatomy. This was shown previously in the thread or in the last one, but her spine goes into her leg……. drawing a skeleton does not perfect anatomy make.
The thing is that you gotta understand basic anatomy before you squash or stretch it into a cartoon style and I think she's just forgetting that.
another video with no art in it. all that 'I want to be a serious artist' stuff still not making it to YT. Just be a youtuber! Stop all the 'I'm a professinal full time artist" stuff.
also I realised one thing that winds me up about her is she can't end a video, she sys 'I hope you enjoyed this' and 'thank you for watching' at least four times every single video. nitpick I know but.
How comes she has such a little following after more than 1300 videos? And even with 8k followers, shouldnt she have more views?
And she ist not worse than all the other medicore "artist" with a bigger following and maybe 200 videos.
Or is the youtube algorithm screwing her over?
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Wtf?? Anatomy is better than her ither pictures, but that image…
Is she trying to copy Loputyn? While Loputun is making cringe art but in a very esthetic way, this is just gross in my opinion
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And here are the crawler…
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I just don’t get the appeal of artwork like this that incorporates male gaze bullshit as well as extreme pornified lesbianism. Just another reason for me to dislike the current crop of lowbrow/pop surrealism artwork.
>>411681>stares at candy with her dead fish eyes "you guys sure know what to get a diabetic"
Also I just can't get her sense of humour or her spouses.
Oh haha weenies butts hairy legs pubes dog dicks. You dont have to act the age of your audience yknow.
And A+ to ManKasey for making fun of Adams colorblindness that was a totally mature joke and he seems like a well adjusted individual who doesn't spend all his free time playing video games. Haha :).
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That was my first assumption but so many women are into this sort of “art” and many of the artists who make this kind of stuff are women too. Can’t help but think that it’s women meme-ing themselves to wanting to be “le uwu submissive erotic hyper-feminine fantasy for men.” Pic related by Soey Milk who also used to draw more of this kind of gross crap too.
Conversely, maybe it's just women representing sexuality in the way they want? Sexuality is a huge part of any human media, this is it present through a female human gaze
At the end of the day, I don't know the answer. I believe the former statement but also I believe lots of this art is also made by girls who have been brainwashed into the "cool girl" meme. Who can say what's true, it's very subjective
Omg lol. Soey Milk always painted some sm stuff, but this one crosses the border as well as relm.
They are looking like children with boobs and hips and way to short legs…giving milk.
Sex sells, but please keep some dignity
Why does she consistently seem to include lesbians in her work? Looked at her insta and there's…a good bit.
Is she just using it as an aesthetic? It is a bit off, I'm used to lesbian and even bisexual artists portraying women differently. So I guess she's not..?>>411947
I though this was lolishit jfc. If they were flat I'd know no better.
Also seems she's dating an older man atm? Hmm. Wild how she paints beautiful women but is dating an ugly old man.
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Some of Soey’s old art was just incredibly disgusting-looking and cringy. This is her rendition of Princess Bubblegum for instance from way back when.
Her art nowadays is better and has definitely matured a bit thematically but it still sometimes has weird and broken anatomy.>>411955
She started dating Kent Williams when she was still his student at ArtCenter. He’s basically twice her age but is a well-renowned fine artist so he likely helped boost her artistic career quite a bit. He isn’t that bad-looking for his age but it is sketchy as fuck how their relationship formed and the dynamic is creepy.
What bothers me a lot about the more contemporary female lewd artists is that it often is way too cutesy and childlike and they try to push an image of innocence, a lot of the artists also seem to be extremely sexually inexperienced tbh
It’s a pretty stark contrast to male lewd artists that tend to make it seem like a torture session though, they also seem sexually inexperienced in the sense that they can’t imagine female pleasure that isn’t expressed through pain/humiliation/discomfort
Why can’t lewd artists just draw sex normally
Wow, I would've never have guessed Soey Milk's older work was more cartoonish, based on her current painting output. Are these from when she was still an ACCD student?
I'm glad to hear someone else talk about her relationship with Williams. There's also a lot of overlap (tassels, BDSM imagery, similar models, color choices) in their work that freaks me out when you consider their age-gap/initial teacher-professor relationship.
Also as a bit of an aside, she also plays up being a sex kitten with all the festival/art-ho outfits they post between her and Williams' IG accounts. It probably helps to be really hot and create exceptional work.
From what I recall, this kind of stuff was done during her time as a student and shortly after graduation. She was still doing her more realistic portraits when she was at school too. Obviously, it’s the latter work that appealed to fine art galleries the most so she seemed to ditch the cartoony stuff later on.
Art Center actually has a bad record of covering up inappropriate teacher-student relationships. It’s against the rules there yet people look the other way. Soey apparently dumped an ex who was a fellow student and a talented artist in his own right for Kent.
A lot of the old work can be found here:http://uyubomb.blogspot.com/
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Thanks, anon. That old blog must be buried under all her new (understandable) rebranding as a fine artist. Found more of her student era work, too: http://www.paperdarts.org/art-archive/art-soey-milk.htmlhttps://mocoloco.com/peck-the-deer-by-soey-milk/
There's such a sudden pivot to her current style–just compare pic attached to any of her recent IG posts–that it makes her and Williams' relationship even more icky. I still fucking love her work, though.
Do you have any more dirt on ACCD? As acclaimed as Art Center and the other prestigious art schools are, I always hear sketchy things concerning tuition hikes, certain degree tracks being bloated (specifically Art Center's Illustration degree program being filled to the brim with students who can't get past the higher requirements of Entertainment Design), and little things like that.
Oh shit really? Back when I was considering art school I was thinking of ACCD but had heard mixed things from alumni including some mentions of inappropriate conduct.
One of Kent’s most recent IG Posts is a drawing of a girl who looks like Soey masturbating so there’s that. Lol.
The school is definitely accepting WAY more students than it should be, especially illustration students which make up the majority of all majors. Parking and class registration are huge issues on campus due to this and some teachers have secretly expressed racist sentiments toward the influx of foreign students since they’re some of the only students who can afford the outrageous tuition and make up a huge portion of students as a result. From what I’ve heard, getting into Art Center was way more difficult back in the 90s than it is now. A lot of students can’t help but feel this is all due to greed since the school keeps expanding. Tuition keeps increasing something like $1000+ every term.
I’ve heard about certain teachers (in particular, a well-known entertainment sketch artist) hitting on multiple young female students and trying to get into relationships with them. Seeing how Kent and Soey probably weren’t really even hiding it, I can’t help but feel the school really doesn’t see this sort of inappropriate behavior as a huge issue and I get the feeling a lot of students don’t see anything wrong with behavior like that and don’t feel compelled to report it. Plus, the class settings in art school isn’t so formal like in a traditional university setting which makes students question such behavior even less.
It must suck spending so much money to go to these expensive American schools and still not be as good as some east european or asian artist that came out of nowhere, paints like crazy, charges less than americans and are the ones taking all the industry jobs.
The one thing those schools really offer is connections, a lot of jobs and opportunities are based on referals and how many degrees of separation are between you and the people hiring. If you are a lolcow that didn´t made important friends during your campus days you really threw that money away. I see a lot of brazilians who are mostly self taught finding high paying jobs basically after pirating the shit out of all software and all the courses from online academies. Competition is pretty messed up for northamericans who need to charge way more than foreigners in order to make their career choice viable.
I know that Carly S frequents and posts in these threads often which is hilarious, considering that her art is no different from what’s being critiqued. It kind of makes it hard for me to take commentary in here seriously because of that. Total hypocrisy lol. >>411886
Relm’s stuff is so …autoerotic? It seems like she’s always drawing one face that she thinks she looks like/wants to look like having sex with clones of itself. It’s so formulaic and boring.
Yeah but is that place even offering “connections” or just old guys to fuck to get into the industry?
I don’t think pop surrealism is art at all, to me its plain and simply porn and the whole crowd around it weirds me tf out and idk why anyone here would want to get into this fine art gallery crowd at all. What’s the appeal?
I can tell you that the industry connection events during graduation for illustration majors are huge jokes. Unless you’re an extremely talented entertainment design artist or someone who will fit in perfectly at a design agency, very few industry reps who visit will bother with most illustration majors’ portfolios.
Also, the pop surrealism scene is just pure trash. I’ve just seen way too much work of same-looking doe-eyed women that rip off Mark Ryden or Audrey Kawasaki. I can only assume that the people into that kind of art are just those who are part of that general shallow, trashy LA scene.
is your cowboy board public or private because i would love to see it, i would also love to see your comic. i know you probably don't want to out yourself on lc but i am very interested.
-t.anon who loves yeehaw stuff
Those are not necessarily the valuable connections but the ones you make with your peers. You might eventually get into an studio or some project because someone you went to school with recommended you.
Its about degrees of separation. Knowing someone that might know someone, that might know someone, etc. Even when not helping you directly that contact with other people in the same field in the same time and place is valuable, maybe not valuable enough to justify the student debt just so you can loose your job opportunities to some self taught brazilian that pirated some courses but hey. such is life.
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Also on of them! Her coloring is genius level, but such sexualizing of children cant go through as art anymore.
Not really sweet at all, then.
I can't stand that level of entitlement. No wonder she can't and won't improve despite all the work she's done.
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>Yeah but is that place even offering “connections” or just old guys to fuck to get into the industry?
Hey, I never post in this thread but a friend of mine made me aware of the current ACCD topic so I figured I'd help answer. I'm an Illustration Student in ENT track.
I'll just answer some of the snippets I saw above on your response anon. To start off the school does actually offer connections in more ways that one. The anon that said peers are the most important which I agree with, but your teachers are important as well. I currently freelancing. A former teacher of mine made me aware of a job and encouraged me to apply, she was sweet enough to write me a letter of rec. I'm currently freelancing for 3 different studios, two of which I have to thank because of ACCD.
The story the anon told above was only inappropriate because she was a his student during a term. Teachers are free to fuck/date (no matter how creepy we find it) as long as the student isn't currently in your classes. Anon's need to keep in mind the average student at ACCD is 23-25 or older.
I've gotten my connections from mostly reaching out to my teachers and being nice to my classmates. If you're a student putting all your eggs in a basket for grad night, hoping a studio gives you a job there than I'm sorry that's naive. ACCD actually offers internship and independent studies through the school for big name studios/companies. I've only seen students outside of my track take advantage of it though. I'll be honest from my point of few a lot of ENT Illustration students just don't think ahead until they are about to graduate and realize they haven't been polishing up their work for a portfolio or networking.
About the Tuition, every art school raises it each year, it is basically just greed I'm not going to defend that shit. However, I'm on 98% scholarship (they finally raised it enough where I'm no longer at 100).
I'll oversimplify how I got it that high. I'm poor, because my family is stupidly poor FASFA gives me more money. Majority of my tuition is covered by 4 ACCD scholarships and 1 grant. The grant was literally given to me because I had a record of having good grades from high school through community college. 1 of my scholarships if over 10k, I got it because my portfolio was good.
I'm not an "A" student at ACCD. I'm a "C". I don't mean it grade wise I always get B's or A's as my final grade. I mean that as I'm not the "top" student in each class. I'm the top student in the classes that I need for my career. I'll end by what my teachers always shill to us. "It's the "C" students who make it far as they are strategic about how to get through each assignment they struggle with. They reach out for help more and ask questions."
I won't lie that a few students (all majors) have probably slept with or flirted with teachers (male and female) to get ahead. The anon didn't even touch how the rich students use their money to make amazing amazing assignments. I'm apart of the artcenter students who quietly does their work, reach out/networks, and just isn't a fucking asshole( trust anons there's many here) so people want to see you reach your goals.
Sorry this was long. I'll answer anymore questions before my break ends.
>>412093>Teachers are free to fuck/date (no matter how creepy we find it) as long as the student isn't currently in your classes.
Actually, I’m pretty sure I read the guidelines set by the CSE before and it’s against the rules. Any accredited university will basically severely penalize a professor for engaging in such behavior even if the student is outside of their class. The environment of an art school just cannot compare to something like an actual liberal arts university though so of course they don’t really care unless someone actually makes a fuss about it.
Also, internships and references mainly apply for Entertainment Arts track. For the illustration design students, it’s a completely different field and they make up something like, what, 60% of the illustration department? For Illustration Design students, a lot of it is more based on luck and sending out promo materials/business cards and hoping some publisher or whatever will bite and commission you. There aren’t really any studio internships unless you’re heavily into motion design and graphic design side of things. I have talented illustration design friends who have won awards struggling to get anyone to hire them. Teachers often say to give it at least seven years after graduation before you start making a living off of it. Anybody considering the school should keep that in mind.
The polices haven't been updated anon, no where does it say it's not allowed unless you're currently a students of that instructor or teacher assistant. From the instructor who worked on that very case(was happy to answer to anyone who asked him), he said as long as the student isn't currently enrolled in the class and isn't forced into it then it's fine. If you still don't believe me I suggest just getting your friend (who I think I know who it is from when you dropped that percentile) to just ask CSE on campus themselves. There's another teacher I've heard about that would date his former students and get the girls to dye their hair platinum blonde, then cut their hair super short. It happened with about 3 different girl (your friend will probably know who I'm talking about).
I did say I'm in the Ent. track anon. So I answered according to that. I have heard that it's hard out there for Illustration design students but I never (from any major) a reference from a studio/company you teacher working at never get you a job, even if it's just one temporary gig or them just doing a tiny job under their teacher for payment.
I've heard give it UP TO seven years.I think I'd kill myself if my mentor was like "yeah it's going to take 7 years but after bruh you're solid". That number is if you made no connections/networking/and have just a decent portfolio right out of school. Again, I'm only going to speak on behalf of my track. I should say, I'm still enrolled in ACCD I haven't graduated.(I took a term off because of my mentorship and these freelance gigs made available to me)
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I wonder what sort of collab they must have been up to 1/2
Their faces next to each other make me very uncomftorable. It's not even that I find them appalling to look at separately but man is this picture something I've seen in a nightmare before.
But also lol at Kaseys uwu peace sign, very "hello fellow young people" of her.
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Ok but can I have you all ruminate how next to each other Kasey and Baylee look like a wrinkleless old man and a overgrown baby in a lace front wig??
Kasey doesn't put any makeup on, and doesn't enhance therefore her "feminine traits". Quite a few ammount of girls end up looking like dudes with no make-up on, especially if not naturally blessed with instagram standards of big lips + lashes + tiny nose. It's all up to her of course though. Her haircut looks like shit tho. Hair is too thin to pull off bob+bangs combo, and it's something only 6 year olds anyway.
Baylee's hair also seems fucked, but otherwise she's just vanilla chub woman-looking. Not bad.
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How do you expect a logical conversation when this board is made up entirely of dumbasses who still screech about neutral bathrooms lmao>>412257
They don't literally want to be sexy babies idiot. Its a career move. They're drawing in a fictional sexually appealing way that attracts both men and women to their mainstream audiences and that widely appealing niche is an easy way to make money via commissioners. Its the same exact reason as to why so many insta artists just draw those sexy shiny anime ig makeup girls over and over incestuously imitating each others styles.
I’m not an idiot, and I’m also not going to be polite since you decided to act like an autistic banshee straight off the bat. Go outside once in awhile.
It isn’t a ‘career move’ when the field is grossly oversaturated, and your argument is futile since I’m talking about girls that literally style themselves like one of their illustrations. Tons of them do it. Instathots that just paint girls who look like their photoshops and ideals are a dime a dozen. Chill the fuck out, you’re way too emotionally invested. It makes you look defensive.
>>412049>I can only assume that the people into that kind of art are just those who are part of that general shallow, trashy LA scene.
LA artist here, what scene are you referring to specifically? There are several, lol.
I like pop surrealism/lowbrow but a lot of people who make the stuff are really pretentious and self unaware which is odd considering how the camp the whole movement is.
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I just saw this in an artist alley group I’m in. A parent is essentially using/letting their 14 year old daughter sell her traced and heavily referenced artwork at conventions. Yeah.
You heard me right.
I’m guessing that no one goes after the mom cause it’s the child’s art but this mom is a shit person and they better take responsibility when this finally blows up in her face.
They have an Instagram which shows a lot of traced stuff. https://instagram.com/megamousearts
Part of me even wonders if the kid makes much or if they even see a dime of the money. Anime con attendees are stupid so they buy traced art and bootlegs all the time without knowing
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She even called him a Trap this kid is going to get eaten alive one day jfc
I looked at their pics and this honestly just screams “Rich entitled parent let’s kid do anything they want” and the sweet money from unsuspecting kids and parents is just a bonus.
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No they have to be rich or something cause they literally rented a full fucking building at the ren faire. That’s like what??? $500 at least??>>412377
There is a phone number up publically on the Facebook page and I hope it’s not the kid’s…
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I did a quick number crunch.
Also, normally at renaissance fairs there are rules about the time period of items for sale cause it breaks the immersion.
These artworks for sure don’t follow that.
Family friends of the owners or coordinator? Bribe? I wouldn’t be surprised. Booths especially are for craftsman and artisans that make a living off this. This is honestly bullshit.
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They must be making bank if they put in this much effort.
Probably using “cute kid selling her own art” to win those sympathy points.
Parents will probably defend saying “she doesn’t know better” and “she’s a child”
You are responsible for the legal aspects of your child’s business until they’re 18.
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Speaking of traced/heavily referenced art. I don’t see anyone going after this dude. He traces screencaps of DBZ, traces line for line from all kinds of IP (including coloring books) and sells them at conventions across the country. He literally copies everything as well as other people’s fanart and slaps a shitty “splatter effect” on a canvas and calls it a day. His entire IG is full of examples you can easily do a reverse image search to find the source. The guy is an absolute tool.
Bonus, he claims to have been “commissioned by Stan Lee” and is a “28 year industry veteran” despite the “commission” being gift art for Stan’s birthday before he passed and he’s in his early/mid-thirties.
There´s lot of artists with incredible ideas and interesting personal styls but the market is the market, you often find people using pseudonyms for either their commercial kitcsch or their edgier niche personal work.
There´s also a ton of actual profesionals who started doing furries because it pays so much more with less efort, of course, under some pseudonym. Someone who doesn´t really know about what being an artist online and having to pay the bills might just say "omg so uncreative, so bad taste, they are just copying whats popular" But yeah kid, no shit, not even artist like doing that crap sometimes, yet it is what dumbasses keep buying in large quantities and for higher prices.
I am personally so sick of Ross TRan wannabees color dodging the shit out of cyan and magenta photobashes. So goddamn kitsch, but i don´t blame artists who cash in so they can continue living with their skillset.
thats so shitty of her parents, a 14 yr old should not have that kind of exposure, not only is putting the cart before the horse but she is getting exposed to both the fandom communities and the art communities combined toxicity, cattiness and negativeness.
I hope she somehow manages to mature properly and not quit art or become one of those deluded DAartists who never improve or take critique.
I just went to look at his profile and this dude actually follows me???
What do you even want with me????
Hopefully he’s just clout chasing.
Yeesh. I used to have a tracing anime phase but thankfully I never shared that shit online. I can't even imagine what mental fuckery it must be to a kid for their own parents to not only support that behaviour but fund it so she can make this shitty habit a veritable business venture.
The parents might not know it's traced artwork, might as well give them the benefit of the doubt, but don't cons/con goers say anything? Surely if anyone of those weebs noticed and told the staff she'd get kicked out? Or are people treating her with kid gloves because she's 14?
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I hate these types of videos from Kasey. The first time I saw one I thought it was a cute idea, like something a kid would make. But of course Kasey Colon beats a dead horse over and over and over again.
And isn't she diabetic? Why get sponsored by a company that sends out sugar filled junk if you can't even properly eat them??
I do wonder just how much some of these sponsors pay
Some of them we see way more often than others, like squarespace and skillshare. Any lurking art tubers willing to spill the beans on roughly how much is paid for a sponsored video from some of the more common ones?
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I’m surprised her parents haven’t bought her a cintiq with how much they’re investing. She still has an expensive art device though, a surface book I guess
They also made her a fully custom portable structure for bringing to the ren faire. It’s on wheels and towable. Wtf
She probably asked her parents if she could have a table at an anime convention. I split a table with other high schoolers when I was a sophomore and I remember seeing other teenagers selling art and buttons too.
This was like circa 2005 though so have conventions just turned into a bunch of middle aged women trying to make their income off of artist alleys or something?
I’m assuming you had it in writing? Should’ve gone after them for the rest
This just makes me hate all the skillshare videos even more.
haha that's so funny hi Kasey thanks for lurking about
It’s a public image on her public Facebook for her business since her parents have that set up for her.
Get over it lol she’s the next zKittyz lol
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am i the only one a little peeved by these being shown as 'advanced' techniques? some of these tips you learn in beginners art classes in high school. "wait till paint is dry to add another layer to avoid smudging lol" no shit sherlock. also "have a variety of light and dark tones, look i made a drawing with only 4 colors! lol" yes, of a personalized selection from your complete collection of 55 pens that you can throw money at willy-nilly and will do again the next time another art fad comes along. for a person with an audience of mostly young kids, she likes to tell them to just go spend money. "want a gradient? either pump it out and paint like normal or just buy the brushpens lol"
in pic timestamp, she talks about mixing, and says "if i do this i'll make earthy tones, but i can just do that with watercolor" …THEN USE WATERCOLOR. she is just making and using posca pens for the gimmic and clicks, and she just admitted it in a video. very self-aware individual here, im sure.
the only tip even worth anything is the last one, which is the one about refilling. but what pisses me off about that is THAT IS THE TIP IN THE THUMBNAIL. she advertises the last tip she gives, making someone that maybe only needs that one tip watch till the end so the know they see it in action and dont have to scrub/maybe miss some important information to know about posca pens. nice one Kasey, got to get that precious watch time, right?
sorry for the essay, i saw this at just the right time to get mad about it.
Don’t you think it’s a little unhealthy to be getting upset about something so trivial?
A lot of people clicking that video are beginners. Nobody expects a fine artist to be watching videos about fucking posca pens.
Kasey starting the video with the disclaimer that it is for advanced Posca users and then goes "HOW NOT TO MAKE THE PAINTS BLEED TOGETHER" is pretty laughable, but your comment about her having expensive supplies in front of children is nitpicky and frankly cringey.
People watching this video are obviously expected "are only getting into Posca pens recently", it's not meant for dumbass impressionable kids (it's obviously the largest bulk of her audience but that doesn't take away the concept of the vid). Having lighter and darker tones is to be expected as a tip if you care about shading and dimension.
Admittedly the vid is kind of confusing tho. She claims how much the limited color palette is a plus of those pens and yet has a whole section on how to mix them.
Same here, just lots of random ideas and prompts, as well as mediums that were totally different each time and were barely even explained. She basically just talked to the one or two prodigy students that spent 99% of their time drawing in the art room and then ignored everybody else.
However, I can understand why, considering the students in my art classes usually were 75% kids just taking it for the hell of it and wanting an easy grade. Expecting her to take everyone seriously (including her job) would be like telling a gallery owner to thoughtfully answer inquiries for shows by 5 year olds with fridge art and not just outright ignore them. Still shitty practice (especially to my young brain that thought her ignoring me meant I was destined to fail at art) but if you're passionate enough you'll learn on your own or go to art school/take college classes.
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Lmao, this fucker is copypasting Loputyn's face on her wonky drawings. Both Loputyn and her are italians, does she hopes no one notices?
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NTA but you literally just had to google it
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Doesn’t look like Loputyn. Just inspired by the general ~soft doll~ aesthetic. Also this guy only has 5000 followers and mostly does cosplay? Vendetta?
It isn’t really white knighting. Sometimes I get concerned and forget that I’m supposed to expect the unadulterated melodramatic fixation-spergouts over absolutely anything and everything. >>412853
Doesn’t half of tumblr draw like this?
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surprised chloe didn't draw disney for once
Exactly. I’ve seen this style drawn more times than I can count. It isn’t particularly unique. Tumblr may be dead but for years it had plenty of artists with that exact style. >>412986
Coloring books can be great and therapeutic for practice when you don’t want to fuck up your own line work, it also really helps hone blending. But I do agree it can be wasteful.
These seriously remind me of high school art class, why can such low level hobbyists see so much success. If they were creative but behind on their technical skills or fundamentals I’d be more understanding but it just boggles my mind how such genuinely low tier artists get as much attention as they do
Inb4 kids, kids are too busy watching shit like paw patrol
The answer is really simple: because they’re getting attention from other low-tier artists and people who don’t make art.
If more fine artists started putting out video content that caught normies attention, they would get it too. It takes consistency and knowing how to edit and posture yourself so that it catches attention for more than five seconds. You can’t be a pretentious bore unless you have something else of value to the average viewer. Skilled artists are not the average viewer.
The difference between an actual artist (or professional of any kind in their craft) and a youtuber is that while the artist hones the skill, the youtuber is better at gimmick.
Many artists can’t be bothered to put in effort to the algorithm and choose to be bitter about these irrelevant, glorified catalogue salesmen such as Kasey and the likes instead of actually putting effort into making an interesting channel themselves.
If you can’t rig the algorithm, which is actually really easy to manipulate in hindsight, that’s on you.
I don't think working the algorithm is as easy to please as you think. I'm an artist who does youtube but I wouldn't consider myself a youtuber, I put most of my effort into the art and well less on everything else, since youtube is more like a hobby for me (and it shows). There was still a period where I tried to take youtube more seriously and work the algorithm like you said but it takes so much more effort than just few gimmicks. In order to really work youtube you have to have constant flow of content, you miss to post a video even once and your metrics take a skydive. Doing a video once every couple of weeks is no good either, it has to be either once a week or more and let's be real here, if you're an artist who actually cares about your works, 1 video a week is really strict timeline. Ofc some people can do it but most can not or if they do, it lowers the art quality a ton. I've only seen very very small proportion of artist who can draw like machines while still upholding a good quality art but that's a really rare breed to find.
If you look at art youtubers, you tend to have 2 kinds. You got the god-artist who's super good but only posts like once a month and doesn't really interact much with anyone, they may have just music in their videos or sometimes actual narration but they're clearly more interested in improving and creating good art, rather than good youtube content. Then the second type is the youtuber who may start as serious artist who once discovering youtube, become lazy hacks essentially. Then you got few neutral ones as a possible 3rd group who're kinda in between, but hardly ever do you see a good artist make it big on youtube, even if they put tons of effort into their videos, because the algorithm just won't like that. Gotta post lot and fuck the quality is sadly the name of the game. Gotta take your pick.
You’re right. I didn’t mean to trivialize it, I think it’s just something I’ve made work for me and so I know a handful of others who have done the same. It took a lot of trial and error but we’ve each found a niche, so we often exchange methods and ideas which keeps us from getting too burnt out. Now it’s a lot smoother sailing even though it does require attentive upkeep. I guess I’ve let that jade me a little, thank you for giving such a thoughtful response. (I use Patreon but I am good friends with a couple of decent YTers so we work together behind the scenes!)
To be honest, it really does take some skill in manipulation, because you’re essentially molding yourself into whatever generates most views. Because I myself have finally reached a comfortable position, I tend to have a more laidback view and I’m not very critical of others in my field because I know the game I guess. Thank you for the reality check… I guess it’s easy for me to forget what it was like initially because I finally reached the other side.
I hope you don’t see that as me being obnoxious, I’m genuinely sorry I trivialized it and I’m not shitting on your experience as an artist or saying mine is superior by comparison. I just have a keen eye for that kind of thing now, but it took so much failure and discouragement to get me here that I’m just very grateful to finally be doing art full-time. I hope you don’t let the successful mediocrity of others discourage you from doing what you love. It does take a lot of compromise of integrity or quality. Sorry my head was up my ass for a second without bringing forth any context.
I don’t think you need my unwarranted advice at all and you sure as hell didn’t ask for it, but I do encourage a lot of other artists to practice their speed and explore as many mediums as is personally feasible, because that’s what got me out of my own personal rut and gave me a following.
God I really hope this sounds as supporrive as I intended, I don’t really know how to say much more without being specific and there’s no need for that because nobody gives a shit. But I do support your endeavors anon!
Well actually the fact that you apologize so much makes you sound more sarcastic than anything and besides, this is lolcow, no one expects you to be sorry for having an opinion anyway. It's not even that your opinion is totally wrong either but it's the question of what are you willing to sacrifice for that. Youtube sadly is wired against anything that's not a flooded content. Think of anything that takes really long time to make, animations (actual animations), skits and something else I can't think of and compare it to youtube's most popular content like vlogs and gaming. Not to say that those don't take effort or that animation or skit channels cannot become successful but they surely aren't the top dogs for sure.
Also while I like doing youtube, I don't really see it as so important that I would hold jealousy towardsany of these yt artists. When they act immature or do unethical bullshit that annoys me but them being bad and earning money for being bad, doesn't bother me. Overall I believe I'm much better wired for a long term, since youtube is not guaranteed to last forever and with that type of art, I doubt they'd have much going for them if that happens.
when it comes to speed and mediums, learning speed is actually an advice I would give too. It's something I practiced myself as well but that was mostly for my own sanity, because I hated taking 6 hours on a portrait that should've taken me 2 at max. For mediums it comes down to cost too. I'm a 100% digital artist, because it fulfills all my needs and is a lot cheaper, though if you got the option then why not but if you know your preference, it's ok to stick to that too.
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I’m shocked. I didn’t expect her to be so cute form her artwork
Tbh I love seeing artists, it’s always interesting to see whether or not their appearance matches what I had come up with in accordance to their persona/artistic voice
Although seeing Mark Crilley was very jarring as I was used to him just being a pair of hands.
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I know we’re all sick of talking about Arteza, but this isn’t about that specifically - saying that something isn’t sponcon or an ad just because you were ‘gifted’ the product is so disingenuous, 9 times out of 10 the people who showcase the product wouldn’t be doing so if the company hadn’t reached out to them and sent it for free. You are STILL advertising the product to your audience but you’re just too stupid to ask for money to do so and naive enough to believe the company isn’t exploiting you and your audience. And yet I see artists do this all the time, significantly more often than other industries and hobbies - are the really just that fucking desperate for free shit that they don’t think through what they do and say??
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Samefag but you have to be a grade A retard to think that this is anything but an ad.
Ohhh you're one of those people that love bragging about how unbothered they are by everything.. you should call Kasey>Honestly I don’t really expect “real” artists to frequent this thread often personally just because a lot of the griping here is trivial and pretentious.
Who the fuck are you trying to impress lmaaaooo
Oh my, i didn't know either that she is so beautiful! Now i have crush on her, thanks anon.
Also, it's first artist that draw themselves uglier than irl
The color circle in the thumbnail is the munsell one, which bodes well for accuracy lol
Might just watch this myself, good post anon
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How can you draw portraits for years and years and still only come up with these mongoloids? She wants 150 bucks for her neanderthals, jeez.
It's been discussed before but I'm amazed how Sara's stuff looks okay at first glance and then just falls apart. Just look at the nose and that pinhead.
I think this is creepshow, she speaks in the overly apologetic patronizing way in her videos
I'm onto you>>414245
This is the first time I've seen this artist. I suspect she can't "see" the flat heads as they're in so much of her work and she thinks it's a "style". Without the flat heads her stuff is lovely, though
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I know everybody is tired of seeing Lavendertown shit, but just look at this pose. What is happening?
>>414308>What is happening?
This is a male amputee (knees down). He is doing the splits whilst balancing on his smashed genitalia. His hands provide additional balance.
I saw a video of a guy with no arms or legs and he would hop around like the Oblong dad. He was notably happier than I am. But I couldn't help but wonder the condition of his genitals as he hopped around. He had kids too in case you're wondering.
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yeah I used to love her stuff when it was more like pic related. I think when she went to art school she found herself having to challenge the way she did things and unfortunately it hasn't helped much for now - maybe it's a dip and she'll push through it and get much stronger, I dunno.
Not tired of looking at lavender at all
The feet are missing…
He's absolutely gigantic if that background she just stuck in there isnt just lazy decoration.
Her characters always look so damn miserable.
My favorite part about this community is that most of them don't even use an animation software. It's to expensive (or to hard to pirate) so all the kids use paint tool sai for separate frames and moviemaker for tweening. It shows in their art.
Most of the kids also know jack shit about animation principles besides the basic stuff so they run into a lot of problems. They either put to many frames or to little so all the characters move to slow or snap into place (like in draikinator case). Animation on a cheap budget requires simple character designs so sparkle dog OCs look like shit in motion. Nobody brings anything new to the table when they use someones animation meme. The video you linked has some shitty ass rendering, or tweening. Animation memes are everything I hate about the teen art community on steroids. Can we just have another thread dedicated these guys.
The crazy thing is that the meme community has a couple of talented artist. So when they do decide to work together to make a project it's interesting, if not a little jarring because of the different skill levels, but still.>>414391
But a project of almost 2k Leek Meme animations sounds like a nightmare
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Pretty old, but there was 'lavendertowne is a terf!1! drama'
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How is he even spring??? Just because he has some flowers in his hair?
And why does everything have to look this? Why cant we just have normal looking people and not hipsters from tumblr
she even mentions it in the video that some bottles said to shake, but she was like "pEOplE ArE gOnnA sAy I dId thIs wrOnG bUt It sAys tO shAkE gUYs dOnt wOrrY!"
nah, kasey, we werent worried. just good to see you actually thinking about what you're doing before you barf out more garbage onto the internet.
yeah idk clashing mismatched colors dont remind me of spring, at all. dark brown + light light pink + yellow + desaturated blue is all over the place and can't really be evocative of anything, and the stock photo with even more colours in the background doesn't help.
also why shorts ?
yeah idk clashing mismatched colors dont remind me of spring, at all. dark brown + light light pink + yellow + desaturated blue is all over the place and can't really be evocative of anything, and the stock photo with even more colours in the background doesn't help.
also why shorts ?
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Half of her head is missing, so she looks microcephalic
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This painter is using pictures of her kids in her high heels to sell her art. Whatever fucking works I guess, but fuck. I’m uncomfortable.
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New Twitter drama for Kate Leth. She posted this tweet criticizing the 'sanitizing' of queer culture. People interpreted this as her defending the artist for Ava's Demon, who I guess drew fanart of the characters from High Guardian Spice, (aged up!). Apparently this has been a big drama on Twitter and Tumblr with SJWs from those sites harassing the artist and calling them a pedophile and telling them to kill their self. So now they're all piling on Kate Leth for supposedly "defending pedophilia". Kate deleted the tweet. She says she had a 7 hour anxiety attack over it, lol.https://imgur.com/a/v1csmzmhttp://archive.vn/CKPrfhttp://archive.vn/h0E5Lhttp://archive.vn/l50Jf#selection-6061.0-6063.8
Live by the callout culture, die by the callout culture, cunt.
NTA but I liked what I read of it… but I stopped (waited for updates then forgot about it) right after the twins were introduced and one is a lesbian I guess, which I’m all for lesbians but the twins seem pretty young and it made me feel uncomfortable and like it was about to go into weird ~kweer~ territory
Also the art at the bottom of the homepage of the plant girl (can’t remember her name) naked but strategically covered and nasty suggestive licking or biting of an apple is fucking gross
I think the characters are tolerable but the dialogue can be weird at times…
Yeah i feel you anon the forced gay stuff just feels superficial imo the biggest offender of this is
odin x gil
Like…they started off from hating each other but michelle suddenly decides to make a bunch of gay shit for them. Is it because of pride month?? ((Im aware the gay stuff between them is because of their demons but still
She build up ava and odin for so long but she suddenly made this a thing first its just—why?
Kate Leth has been a mini cow since her Tumblr days. Seeing her get totally shit on after people have been kissing her ass for a decade is super gratifying. >>415552
the Odin/Gil shit was a dream.>>415531
there's suggestive nude art for all the main characters which is creepy considering they're like 15. also the whole scene after Ava goes full demontard with Wrathia that's laden with heavy handed sexual euphemisms and suggestive imagery between a several thousand year old alien and a teenager who acts like she's 8 the entire comic.
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Kate Leth is what a redpillers thinks all feminist are like except she's real
posts a lot of Ironic misandry on twitter stuff like #KillAllmen,I hate men,Men are Trash e.t.c but she's also a BDSM sub who likes being tied up and lusts after older men
Gross, even if it's not intentional pedo bait.>>415606
Maybe unpopular opinion, but I don't really care about NSFW content with characters that are older teens in consensual sexual relationships, of course common sense applies (ex., a 16-year old and a 17-year old: passable, a 16-year-old and a 40-year-old: not passable). It's seriously questionable to me to age up child characters specifically to draw porn of them but as long as they're not depicted as children, I also don't see the issue unless there's other suspicious shit going on. Seems very much like pearl-clutching to me.
I think I feel weirder about young kids characters that are aged up a lot - like Rugrats babies to Adults but even they made a show about them being teenagers and dating.
Honestly I agree, you don’t have to like it and pearl clutching is very accurate.
Like I said where I’m from it’s acceptable to have sex at 16. I lost my virginity then but the way some people go on about it it’s like it’s wrong.
Big age gaps I kinda agree with too but in the real world once you’re an adult it’s not like anyone could stop you. Some people have kinks for older people so…idk.
IN terms of aging a child to an adult to have sex with a much older adult then I agree there but idk? Grey area in some regards.
Where I'm from the age of consent is technically 14, but exceptions apply (you can only have sex with someone under 18 until you're 16, I believe). Might also shape my views on this.
I think in fiction, especially 2D there's also the issue of not really being able to tell whether a character is 16 or 18 unless the author specifies, which is also why the "she looks 9 but she's 500 years old!" trope is a thing, even if it's absolute bullshit.
As for age gaps, it's also a case by case basis but there are too many disgusting tropes in age gap relationships so I think it's a no when talking about underage characters.
The ageing up of characters specifically for porn doesn’t sit right with me because it means that the artist themselves had to view the child character in some sexual capacity and then just aged them up to make it ‘legal’
It’s certainly not pedo shit but it’s still weird and creepy and I always side eye any artist that would do that
It's only weird to me if the character is not the artist's oc, and is only portrayed as a kid through the whole story and doesn't grow up during it.
I can get artists deciding to sexualize teenage ocs they made when they were teenagers themselves. I think a lot of artists "grow up" with characters they made when they were younger, which I feel is a case with the AD artist. Aging them up isn't an issue to me, if the artist was really a pedo they'd just draw them as kids instead of adults.
Oops didn’t see this post >>415584
Yep she is, fuck her. What a gross person
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She's lost patrons. Just check her stats.
TD is so fucking obnoxious, why do these YT artists feel the need to "rant" about anything and everything to their impressionable audience?
>"This video is based off research and like, 2 people I know that cheated and retroactively called it polyamory"
I'm not even poly but this shit pisses me off.
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Head/neck/shoulder ratio must be a very complicated thing….
His anatomy is usually on point, why does he fails now with the most easy part?
for every anatomy mistake made for 'mUh stYlE', there are just as many that are a true stylistic choice. you're just trying to find something to be mad about because this is lolcow and you want to be edgy.
this piece is actually a really good example of how to break the rules once you know them.
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He's just copying Audrey Kawasaki like he always does. He has no creative bone in his body although I have to admit his technique is great. The only difference is that his figure wears some clothes. Everything else is a copy including the small shoulders. It's indeed a stylistic choice by him and no accident.
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Do you think so? Sometimes I have problems to tell their artworks apart because even their faces are similar. Not saying that every art piece is like that but quite a lot.
Chill Im not hating him. Like I said, usually his anatomy is on point, thats why this piece felt into weird in my opinion.
And this is an great example how such a small body works. A long and slim neck is a perfect connection, but kelogsloops made the neck to thick. It suits the face but not the body.
>>416318>like artists haven’t always copied one another and it’s a crime to find stylistic inspiration in others
Agreed, as long as it's not straight up plagiarizing it's normal. Artists don't produce work in a vaccuum, they see so many things (especially online) that can influence their work. It's impossible to be completely original, you're always being influenced by someone else, even subconsciously. People can even forget they've seen a specific idea/ concept and their brain can present it to them later on like it's an original idea, leading to plagiarizing by accident.>>416300>that's a huge stretch
You're wrong though. It's not a huge stretch at all.
Yes I agree with you that nothing is really original and people inspire each other all the time.
But his recent works are more than only inspiration. The face looks the same with these half opened wide set eyes and open mouth. Also the hair with these strands in the face and now the narrow shoulders. Next is probably going to be the neck he's changing and then floating body parts like Audrey's figures kek. Kawasaki found her style and it took her years and kelogsloops just copies her without understanding why she's doing certain things like these narrow shoulders. Therefore his art looks really strange like anon already pointed out >>416299
Other artists are also inspired by Kawasaki but they don't copy her in a way where you can't tell them apart. They choose a thing they like and change it a bit. But kelogloops straight up takes several stylistic means from Kawasaki. I liked kelogloops older pieces better because he had his own style and now he is like a Kawasaki doppelganger.
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Anyone have tips on how to 'unlearn' anime style?
I was a weeb so naturally I started developing an animeish style, but while I've grown out of it, my stlye has not.
Isn't it rather just learning a style you do like? I doubt you can ever really unlearn anything but you can learn something new to replace it. What if you would practice different styles you like? Maybe just one you really feel for or multiple ones that kinda seem fun to try? If you have a lot of styles that you know how to draw, you usually learn how each style is structured which will help you to be more conscious of your own stylistic choices. If you got just one style you're really digging and wanna go into that specific direction then do just that, find keypoints of what makes that style work and try to capture that in your own works.
Sorry vague shit but your question is really broad.
When I grew out of the standard anime style and wanted to move more towards realism, I just took a switch and started to just draw more realistically. Ofc they were horrible at first and my anime influence still shows but I don't hate it for what it is right now but that's just my way of doing it.
I was thinking of just trying out different styles I like and then frankensteining what I like from them into one
I'm just really tired of people asking me about anime everytime they see me draw lol
>>416376>weighted broad lines>blendy shadows >liney undereyes (on young person)>random lights and shadows in line all over the face
your style doesn't show japanese influence. it shows a lot of cape comics/ "storyline" webcomics influence. It looks really nice the way it is. of course a western person might ask if any cartoon that isn't disney and steven universe is "anime" but that shouldn't be a reason you'd change it, anime and manga can be really good looking and profitable.
if you're deadass about losing your influences, just go to a local college art class and take any life class. you will start un-stylizing your work and leaning into a completely new style once the course is over.
Honestly, I just went through an SJW phase and started drawing ugly fuckers which doesn't bode well with anime. Although I do some studies casually, my work is still pretty simple and cartoony though (and ugly).
I imagine if you want nice, pretty semi-realism you should take the advice >>416401
gave and just relearn how to draw, basically.
Drawing ugly people might seem like bad advice but I actually think it's one of the best things you can do if you wanna stay away from the anime/pretty girl style. Drawing distorted/unusual faces pushes your knowledge of anatomy and makes you creative brain actually work for once, plus it can be super fun.
Another thing you can do original anon is loo at art /styles) you like and just do a bunch of studies. I often copy someone else's art into my sketchbook if I really fancy their style and I wanna study their process/construction. I've found that over time I start to emulate some of the things I like, piece by piece, into my own art.
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Pic related is supposed to be ftm trans. It always feels so fucking off whenever artists draw characters that look incredibly 100% feminine/masculine but say that they were originally the opposite gender. I feel like I see this a lot. I see this more with ftm characters as well. Sugarbunnybuns, a really fucking scummy and gross artist (for multiple reasons), drew a satyr character who was ftm. It had a guy body shape, tons of masculine muscles and general body features, etc, but she drew it with a dripping wet pussy. I know I've seen other examples where trans characters don't just have passing bodies, the have bodies that are the definition of masculine/feminine to a T.
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anyone knows what that thing on her arm is? the way she is framing the scene gives me the impression she wants it to be talked about lol
Dude have you ever seen Aydian Dowling, Buck Angel, Ryan Sallans, Loren Cameron, etc? They just look like guys. Loren Cameron did a whole book of portraits of different trans men and they all look like average dudes, you wouldn't even know if they weren't open about it. It's very easy for an FtM person to take testosterone and pass lol. There's really no problem drawing a character like this, just like there's no problem with saying a character is gay or something.
Character in the pic looks like a random twink, not really unrealistic to be trans or w/e. It's better than creepy fetishization like anon mentioned with rcdart.
Testosterone is one hell of a drug, but I’ve also seen plenty of TIF’s that just look like scrawny hairy women with really bad bum fluff, especially in the art community. Artists have a tendency to draw their ideal man/woman then chuck on the reverse genitals and just virtue signal them as trans.
Tbh I miss genderbending days, whenever I see any character genderbent now there’s lots of people reeeing over how it it’s transphobic. I also miss not upholding every single artist to a hivemind tumblr ideology otherwise they’ll get ‘cancelled’, not everyone wants to draw trannies and POC for internet points
Yeah but reeing at people minding their own business with the audacity to have different opinions than you is just as cringy tbh.
I do agree about the gender bending though. It isn't transphobic. Attacking other people for drawing things that squick you when no one is forcing you to look at their work just makes the person complaining seem like an insane asshole (which they are 9/10 times). Feeling strongly about a topic doesn't make you Right even if your feelings get hurt when people tell you you sound like an idiot.
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its the idea that having a genderbent character skips over the difficulties that transpeople put themselves though just so then characters can have different genitals. mainly its because of fake feminism trying to get a one-up since a lot of popular media has guy protagonists, whereas making male genderbends of female characters is not readily accepted unless it is gay. there has to be some sjw angle in order for it to be made and not ridiculed. unless you genderbend a tranny. then it is war.
pic one of the most well-known genderbends from back in the day.
Go back to Reddit.
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What do you think about such asking for donations? Its already the second or third time she makes such a post. And last week she said her puppy is waaay better now and showed him playing outside.
Im always quite suspicious about such stories.
I hate how these people think strangers on the internet owe them any money for things like their stupid dog. If you can't afford unexpected vet bills for your pet than don't fucking get one in the first place.
I also can't stand it when artists (or people in general) place all their bets on social media and start begging/whining when they need to get an actual job to pay their bills
You sound bitter anon, u ok?
I honestly don’t mind when artists ask for help on social media. Most artists I know do work a part time/full time job but still need help for whatever reason. Times are rough for everyone right now. It’s just the ones who post excessively about needing donations who refuse to actually work that get irritating.
no, he's fucking with her. she comments on a lot of his videos and they seem to be friends.
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Your mistake here is thinking that there’s actually any winning or losing involved. This is an image board, who the fuck cares who does or doesn’t get gossiped about? We’re not some sort of vigilantes dishing out justice lmao
And really, bullies? Anonymously talking about someone isn’t bullying. You sound very young, why are you so invested in whether or not we discuss her
NAYRT but begging for donations has to be the most inelegant type of social media posting and especially when it's for something like this (a pet is a non-essential luxury and you should be able to care for it if you decide to adopt one).
plus this isn't a private, family and friends only page nor even a page for help between pet owners, it's an art page and it's beyond unprofessional to beg for money instead of, I don't know, offering emergency commissions or merch for example aka actually working in exchange for money which you shouldn't mind doing if you love your dog.
demanding money just makes you seem lazy, irresponsible and entitled, which aren't traits of somebody who I want to do business with, as making other people feel bad for your poor money management as opposed to appealing to them with really good art isn't a good strategy to me.
speaking of begging artists, there's this an artist on twitter called caleb / @inannaperegrin who has the most flat and overcrowded art style possible and is always begging for money. last time i saw him he was asking money to cover dental treatment one week, the next it was for his multiple cats and then next it was for his parent's medical bills!! like dude if you've got this much of a need for money you a) need to get a job b) should donate your pets to people who can actually take care of them.
he's really popular for his webcomic which i tried to read and for the life of me did not Get any of the plot + for drawing philippine deities and trying to bright light to philippine culture but i have a friend from PH who says all the deities/stories he draws are fake and made up by him lol
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posting an example bc this is an image board but, you're right anon, it's crowded in an extremely aesthetically unpleasing way and looks flat as all fuck
side note but what kind of munchie has anemic in their bio? take an iron supplement or eat something other than cheez-its
Honestly I expected this to be actually funny video with interesting take on art tubers with some witty shade thrown at the community but it was just some random dude just listing out people in the order of how good friends they are with him. Like the premise of the whole video was that he would rate art tubers based on what his subscribers think but within first couple of minutes he breaks that premise and just drops people where ever the hell he feels like. Overall I don't understand what's the criteria for his chart but maybe it's my fault for trying to make sense of it in the first place.
Still the video is boring and to me at least rating people doesn't do much if you don't have justifications for why they got low or high rating. Would've been more interesting if there was some actual criteria there, like art quality, personality, openness to try new things, taking critique, video quality, education, etc. That for me would've made a much funnier video because so many of these art tubers just shit out art and make low quality videos with shitty personalities, so it wouldn't be so hard to rate them. It would've also given the more hard working art tubers some spotlight but eh.
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sorry, my bad! also here's an example of the behavior i mean lol you'd think someone with 32k followers would be able to get their shit together and actually organize their comms well enough to make money off them. i know he's got people paying him so i don't understand the constant PLEASE
emergency behavior. just a few tweets down he's making another post about vet bills / im about to be homeless / my parents have disabilities!!!
like hot damn idk the social welfare situation in the philipphines but this ain't living
Are you that "artist" lol
So much butthurt about an no one?
Someone disagreeing with your opinion and voicing it is not infighting. You guys going back and fort about what this thread is for on the otherhand is.
if you'd both stop, it'd be great 'cause at this point you're really clogging up the thread.
>>417646>geeky kid>divorced and remarried parents >worked a minimum wage job, briefly>brother died
I hate DMLs so bad because they're just dramatic and lazy ways to bring up common tragedies with no genuine reflection or nuance. It's just a honeypot for adsense and sympathy.
This is basically the macaroni art of expressing human emotion. So low effort and shallow. Not to mention it's so dumb when she brings up apparently sensitive bits of her life story like when her bro died and how she's not actually ready to talk about it yet. Nobody forced her hand, like? But hey, at least that guarantees a sequel and another revenue opportunity.
Lol I liked it at first glance but you’re right.
Anyone want to redline it?
If you're a hobbyist then I'd recommend taking a break and find something else that is creatively stimulating. I went through something similar about a year ago and took up sculpting and refurbishing old home decor. In conjunction with that, I tried to look at different artists then my usual pool to get some different perspectives and it's honestly helped a lot. After about a year long break I found I was excited to draw again and improved way more than when I was fighting through it initially.
However, if it's your means of income, then maybe someone else might have some advice for that! I hope this helps though!
Alphonso Dunn is S tier and everyone else is F garbage
Youtube encourages clickbait and drama over good tutorials and talent, except Alphonso all these yt artists are either amateurs or just copies of whatever's popular on insta
I don't. I feel like whenever he criticizes other arttubers, he pulls his punches because he's too scared to rip anyone a new one for fear of being rushed on by another artists' fans. Like what even is the point if you're not making any. Light jabs are fun I guess but as a whole boring video, he doesn't really bring anything substantial to the table. He just isn't all that entertaining to me, but evidently he does just enough to please his crowd so that's fine I guess.
And I know he's learning but his art is pretty much a bunch of bland studies. He must be ok with the fact that he's not going to be known for art, but that if regular people looked at it they'd believe he's just good enough.
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this just looks like a loish rip-off
Kind of feel like drawing the same style as another artist isn't that big of a deal but drawing the same subject manner + same style is the real issue.
Maybe it's because I come from a concept art background where no one really cares about stylization. What's important in that field is only the ideas an artist can come up with.
My "problem" with drawing in the same style as another artist is that I feel it can stunt someone's growth because often times people will focus on learning to draw in that particular style rather than in trying to learn the basics.
I say this as someone who spent a lot of time being inspired by other artists as a novice. It wasn't until I stopped copying that I became a better artist. Now I'm more skilled than the person I used to feel inspired by.
That being said, being able to duplicate other styles is an important trait for professional artists to have. This is specially important if you're an artist working as part of a team (eg working on art for a game) as you'll expected to match the art style of whatever project you're working on together.
Thanks for the input; For W&N and probably M Graham, I usually wait until individual tubes are on sale. It's slow, but is cheap. Just means I can't start painting right away.
I'll also keep an eye out for Sennelier, but I've only seen the watercolour at my local art store. Maybe they'll start carrying their gouache soon too.
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that arm is tragic
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You know, Audra is the first one to cry out loed and defend her copyright. But her store is full of fanart. I guess copyright is only important if its about her or one of her friends.
So many instagram artist are selling fanart, while its absolute hurting the right of ghibli studio etc.
Thats so pathethic in my opinion.
Senneliers gouaches are so smooth, you might be able to ask if the store is willing to try out stocking them.
I bought a set of W&N and honestly they aren't that impressive. Talens is fine, bit chunky straight out the tube but nothing horrible. I have a couple of tubes of schmincke gouache as well, higher price and quality but imo sennelier comes really close for much cheaper.
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Yeah thats pretty spot on anon. I think her older work looks better if Im gonna be honest
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Any thoughts on Sugarbones? I like some of her more graphic design-ish things but idk something always stops me from buying. Maybe it's just that her other art just looks like a loish ripoff but from 10+ years ago? I keep wanting to buy her ACNL merch but then I go to her website and see all the "cutesy baby fetish uwu" shit and get skeeved out.
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I guess I feel a similar way. I dont like her style really. Which is weird because I can like edgy cutesy designs. But I dont like hers. Besides the obvious bdsm plushies that scream age play lol
Maybe another anon can put it better into words
It's tonal whiplash.
I dunno about you but I'm not interested in merch that looks like 1980s carebears in bondage.i know people eat shit like that up, though.
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op here, I think you stated it better than I did, but yes that's the same issue I have. I also like edgy/cute shit and I see her tweet design stuff sometimes that's like "that's cute, I would totally buy that!" and then I go to her site and feel icky. I also think there's a difference between implying age play and specifically designing/using characters that are aimed towards children. Like if you have merch that's "daddy" this or that it's not innately inappropriate to a child, vs if a child saw this pin on a backpack they would probably be drawn to it and not understand it's inappropriate. idk, does that make sense?>>418628
That's a good way of putting it. I guess it just kind of feels like if that's the crowd you're going for then go for it, but also selling cutesy normal stuff right next to it is I think what hurts my brain. It's like, if you're going to sell dildos then by all means sell dildos….but if you're trying to sell them in a grocery store right next to where you also sell bananas I'm gonna walk out.
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(just for context on the kind of "normal stuff I would totally buy" she also sells)
Its more about making profit out of the ideas from others.
If you sell other peoples ideas for your own profit (which is illegal in most western countrys), dont cry about some chinese stealing your work and selling it in their stores. I mean thats not hurting these artists aswell, because people who buy in cheap chinese shops wouldnt have ever paid your prices anyway.
Some internet artist profiting off of fanart of something produced by a major studio/corporation is not the same thing as an online retailer profiting off of some indie artist’s original content. None of these people producing unlicensed enamel Disney pins or what have you are cutting significantly into the company’s profits, I’m not going to shed any tears for a multi million dollar corporation
Kind of a grey area when it comes to people selling fanart of independent comics and games etc though I guess.
>>418632>if you're going to sell dildos then by all means sell dildos….but if you're trying to sell them in a grocery store right next to where you also sell bananas I'm gonna walk out.
That's a perfect description of why these mixed styles and themes are so jarring. We don't have the time to mentally sort some artist's content into departments into our heads "ah this is the cute smut department, and this is the cute department" and unless you think exactly the same way as said artist it is gonna be unsettling.
The same reason why having less choice is better than having too much in a store. You're making demands on your customers to think about stuff they don't have to. They will just leave and go somewhere which is more cut and dry.
Japan actually encourages fanwork, I would like to point out though - anime also doesn’t belong to the animation studios majority of the time, they’re adaptions of written work and the studio just has rights for a limited time/episodes
Japs view artwork completely differently from contemporary western countries, it’s significantly more commercial over there
especially when merch manufacturers have gotten more accessible lately and the quality would be on par with official merch
at what point does fan merch become a bootleg
When it infringes on copyright. Fan merch being high quality doesn't negate the fact it's infringement.
On another note, picking and choosing what copyright should be respected is a slippery slope. it isn't difficult to not infringe on someone else's copyrighted material, private person nor company alike.
A couple of these points are why I personally don't try and turn a profit off of fanart. It's fine to get eyes on your own work, but it's so easy to replicate and that much easier to redistribute, no matter how much of a "unique spin" you put on the popular source material. Same goes for designs with generic florals and quotes for example. I'm positive the majority of enamel pin designs you find in clothing stores are ripped from an artist that went to a Chinese manufacturer.
Let's be real. There's no perfect way to protect your art. Copyright laws aren't the same or just don't apply to every part of the world.
This imo, the transformative aspect needs to be there if you're making a profit. You can't just draw the character in the same style, or etch a traced image into glass. It needs to be a complete retelling, or maybe just slightly referenced. I'm ok with charms of sailor scout inspired cakes, but straight redraws of characters in their exact outfits in a similar style shouldn't be sold.
If it's just fanart you can do whatever you want, but if you're literally selling the art as a print or merchandise then you can't just create counterfeit goods.
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On the topic of fanart and bootlegs, what do you guys think about that group of car sticker/"western itasha" people on IG that vector official or other people's art and sell it to weebs and e-girls?
I think what anon was talking about is those shops like Sempai Squad and iiiiclothing that take fanart, slap a Supreme parody logo on it, and call it a day. The owners of these shops all
own a ricey Honda Civic.>>418861
There's a huge market on IG but you don't see them at bigger cons because most of their stuff ARE bootlegs.
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Whar do you girls think?
From an outsider's perspective I can't help but feel it's a little authoritative or self-important to rank people like this, but then again it is his channel and he's free to share his opinion- and maybe his subs were interested in knowing who he liked.
What's astonishing though is how many people are upset about his opinion.
Maybe I'm missing something… does he have a lot of art youtube clout or something? Will his opinion have any influence on a channel's views?
Yep. Everyone good has left, look up "why I'm leaving the art ranting community". The basic drama cycle for them is >Someone dumb makes a dumb take/fake news/accusations>Good/Popular youtubers react>People dogpile on the random idiot because popular/good youtuber said it.
If the dogpilers learn the news is fake>a weak 'sorry'
If they went to hard on the person (most of the drama is from 10 to 13 year olds)>'Not my fault. Blame the community'
Most of the big drama in this community is over that fact art is very 'in the eye of the beholder' so things aren't really clear cut. Thinks like art critique (Response: I think it looks fine), animation memes/storytellers are not animation (response: I use a different definition of animation) , this is art theft (response: It's a similar concept thats all), and many more end up as giant back and forths of 'it's objective' or 'let's argue semantics'
Also Spoctor, to me, is more annoying than the people he rants about.
Ricecars are decently popular, but they have more of a cult following than anything
Although there does seem to be a bit more attention on it lately now that Weeb shit is also spilling into streetwear, so those who like jap streetwear then go further down the rabbit hole and start partaking in ricecars - both are highly consumerist so it’s similar to the hypebeast crowd but more weeby
Why is S just a massive fucking sausage fest. And how the hell is Jazza up there with his ugly 90s cartoons??
I don’t like Kasey but I cannot wrap my head around how the likes of Baylee Jae is above her in this chart, Kasey actually has work ethic and while not everyone cup of tea CAN produce finished illustrations with planned compositions/colours/stories
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I can’t believe someone with such shitty art can have so many followers.
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Thoughts on Lanajay? I started following during her Inktober series last year but the sameface and wonky anatomy is seriously getting on my nerves.
(I love this picture because she made Sailor Moon look like a centaur)
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The pictures where she makes people's heads super tiny and the feet huge make me the most mad. Like wtf why does she think thats something good to do idk. Also her composition kind of sucks.
Pic related one of the big feet pics with what I'd say is bad color choice and composition, wtf would this even look like in 3d space
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LANA IS AN ABSOLUTE CUNT.
I had the displeasure or meeting her UwU highness and her shitty ass soybf for a few years.
She was on my art class and could be a cow with her own thread if people actually knew how she behaves away from her UWU persona that would do no wrong
That’s because she refused to do any work in class that didn’t match her aesthetic ~..**.*
Honestly I could go on for hours but I’m not about to sound like a vendetta chan
My thoughts on the concept of a tier list for artists aside, I snorted out loud when he put Lavender Towne in D
>Huh, look at that, the D category is so empty. Someones gotta go there>>419135
He said he would have put him in S, but something about his "fake thumbnail things". I don't watch Vex, do idk what he meant by that.
As a lesbian, I totally agree. Straight couples have been used and re-used and re-used again for telling all kinds of stories: deep, shallow, sexual, boring, you name it, there's a het story about it. If people wanna draw positive cute art with lesbians then let them lol not every piece of art needs to have some 'deep meaning' for it to exist.
Also, I don't understand how you can argue that a drawing with two lesbian women front and center is just using them as an "accessory"? What else do you wanna see? A statement from the artist on how they've supported wlw since they were a toddler? A whole comic about wlw?
You never hear this same nonesense about art with straight couples…
What do you even mean? Tell that couple that there's people on the internet drawing art of two girls kissing? Like? Are they meant to take offence to that?
The fact that those girls got assaulted is fucking disgusting and my heart goes out to them but that has no correlation to what we're talking about. Or what, do you think the people liking and making this art are the same 5 men who attacked them? Lol
nta but that goes both ways. afaik this isn't a safe space for anyone's
You guys complaint about this thread not being a safe space for trans person is legitimately derailing the thread compared to that one small comment. Just drop it already>>419108
Their comics cover topics that everybody can “relate to” or find humor in. It’s one of those things that non artists suck up despite how terrible the art is
Seeing as you consider yourself ‘in the closet’, I’d assume you’re a lesbian yourself. Then, it would be less fetishy because you are actually attracted to actual women, and not the idea of lesbians getting some. That is the difference.
When same-face instathots post two girls sucking face and go ‘uwu so sexy, such dirty smut!’, that is fetishizing. When someone posts a piece and says ‘this is a romance story with more than just smut’, then it is different.
tl;dr context matters
There is a difference between a chinese rip off (which is literally just a copy pasta of an artists work, but made at a severely low quality that probably ends up hurting the artist bc people think they made the merch) and selling fanart that is your own interpretation of something and selling that.
In Japan, it's more legal to sell fanart. Why do you think they can have doujin cons where you can literally buy someone's drawn fanfiction of a certain work? animation studios are struggling because the work environment is usually shit and they don't pay their workers a lot of money. Few animation companies in Japan actually have a good work environment and being a mangaka is even worse.
No matter what someone does with your characters, you will always hold the IP and copyright over them.
You're probably thinking of a trademark. Trademarks function completely differently from copyright and you have to actually be licensed to use a trademark that isn't registered to you. Whoever owns a trademark risks losing it if they allow other people to do unlicensed stuff with it, unlike general copyright.
It's why disney loosened up on letting you make and sell fanart of their characters (bc the PR damage wasn't worth shutting down some indie creator) but you can't slap a disney logo on something bc the logo is trademarked.
She seems the type to be ~uwu Bisexual artist~ but has only ever dated her gross as problematic
She just seem disingenuous to me, You can't trust someone with caterpillar eyebrows
>>419529>When same-face instathots post two girls sucking face
nta but does that mean I can get excluded from this category just by being ugly and drawing ugly women?
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>>419078>the current moomin fandom is burning up my soul
Same. It's really starting to pick up and a lot of the people in it are annoying. Everybody is obsessed with Snufkin being gay/trans/etc.. I'm sick of the be gay, do crime memes.
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sorry the derail, but can you imagine using the word "terf" unironically? The obvious art youtuber fags in this thread clearly don't know where they're at.
I am both a fag and someone that uses terf unironically and frequently. Triggered
There are three kinds of art youtubers:
1. The fakey art hoe lifestyle vloggers.
2. The ones that hardly upload because they have lives outside of YT/industry jobs that keep them away for long stretches.
3. Artists with actual talent that want to teach others.
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well, that does it. she is no longer kasey "dog dick" golden, casting that aside for the new name, kasey "bulging infant testicles" golden. why is the baby's nutsac bigger than it's mouth? why is your first idea to use gifted art supplies to show them off "you know what this needs? elephantiasis nut babies."
seriously, was the only thought process, "renaissance paintings had naked babies. they just need massive packages in my infantile style, and then it's good!"
The only one I've seen that fits 3. is Bobby Chiu. There are other ones who don't act like art hoes but just give hours of useless droning speeches which don't help anyone, and while talented, their art is still unappealing. Bobby Chiu manages to make interesting monologues and
good and appealing art, and offer actually useful advice instead of stuff he pulled out of his ass.
RossDraws I suspect could fall into 3. if he tried, he's kinda a wacky Youtuber pranks!! version of the art hoe currently, but maybe when he matures. He has enough skill and appeal to do more than be wacky.
I've said it before but I think lucidpixul can get a little long-winded, off topic, pretentious and "I'm older so trust me I know" every 3 sentences.
I like his art even though. This person seems interesting to watch! Thx for sharing.
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He aldready showed many times that he can do better than this. I dont understand why he keeps creating such a bad art. It cant be for the views, because his arent that great anymore.
this is awful lmao
has chloe ever seen a horse before or
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i don't know if any of you knows anything about lisafranks and fleshdumpster (both IG artist)
But there is some drama going on.
Apparently Lisa, was friends with flesh, until flesh told her about her comic, then lisa stole not only the idea but also the art style.
What do you guys think?
Side by side the gallery of lisa and flesh
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Also, side by side their OC'S
Flesh OC, has no face, he has one little brother who he likes to abuse, had one little sister (used to manipulate his little brother)
Lisa OC' has no face either, one little brother who he likes to abuse, and one little sister (who, like flesh oc, he used to manipulate his brother, ended up killing her)
Also, due to many people doubting lisa, she began to delete comments and blocking people.
lisa fans, say that there is no evidence (even though.. there is..)
the comparison is uncanny. similar art style, similar aesthetic, similar stories too. two people can come up with the same idea in separate environments, that does happen, but the fact they knew each other makes that a near impossible scenario. unless flesh kept the project entirely secret, more than likely lisa is copying.
also, anyone else getting the 2007 emo avatar sprite art vibe from the galleries? very myspace…
Same here anon, sure, you can have a similar style, but this is.. too much,
Plus, with the story, lisa grew more famous (because flesh is more on the tumblr side i believe),
but now, lisa is selling merch,
to be fair, lisa's fans are.. just stupid, they claim that the style is totally different.
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And i do believe flesh, because lisa, the way that "tammie" (the OC's lil sister) died, is basically the death scene of the girl from hereditary
I love the art style of this one, it is what I wished my art would have looked like before I completely stopped drawing.
However, I don't like the sexualization aspect of it. Especially with characters that are aimed at children, yikes
Honestly this is pretty much the edgy emo boy aesthetic most instagram artists are using now a days. I used to follow a bunch thinking it was something interesting until I realized everyone in this environment where copying each other.
Anyways, this person is carbon copying her friend, lmao. The fuck
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i don’t know how some artists on IG can curate such a large following for such bad, unsettling art and not even unsettling in a good way. This person has 44k followers…
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any thoughts on ana_godis's art on instagram?
I like their work (their output/polish is great, too) but the faces can be hit-or-miss. The misses are stiff in that leaning-too-much-on-a-photo-reference sort of way. >>420594
They're based off of Chinese/Japanese/East Asian seals.
Any artist that values their art should simultaneously value how good they look on the internet as everyone should absolutely give a damn about their public personas when wanting to make a living off of their work. Industry professionals take ‘aesthetic’ photos of their work all the time, even gallery artists, because like the anon said it protects their work and is also more pleasing to the eye so people are more likely to be drawn to it
This sounds like the kind of complaint people who unironically call popular musicians sell outs would make
Anyway, what >>420598
said. Look up hanko stamps for a better idea. Unless the artist is living in east asia, chances are they're copying asian artists for weeb/cool cred
I don’t think it looks good anon and I’ll tell you why, name in a box just looks very calarts to me I guess? It’s definitely putting yourself in a box if you use it lol
Also I kind of wish more artists were lifestyle artists, but not in a lifestyle model type way. Like what draws me to an artist is when they share their life and process behind the art so I think seeing the tools used to make it is not just for aesthetics, it’s kind of like a nice story of its own.
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An old doodle date video popped up in my recs and holy shit I didn't realise how skinny and clean he used to be. Depression is a hell of a drug.
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Everyone gets an iPad Pro and suddenly become “better” at drawing. There’s big accounts that look like they are just tracing over images and it annoys me because I’ve been trying to grow my ig.
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Like this person their traditional stuff aren’t good at all.
When I see profiles like this I like to think about what a challenge it must be for them to draw anything but flawless, smooth skinned pretty girls.
Like anyone with wrinkles and textured skin (e.g large pores, blemishes) must be a challenge
Of course artists give a damn about how they appear. They also give a damn about being paid and not having people take their work to sell on redbubble or whatever the next big shirt/bauble print shop is. The thing is, social media is more about creating an audience first and foremost. Even a 'warped' image is capable of giving the viewer the same message/feelings as viewing head on. It's not so warped that you can't tell what's going on or appreciate the skill. While a weird angle can hide things, it doesn't mean people who don't have something to hide don't do it too.
People can value their art while also valuing pleasing an audience. It's not mutually exclusive. Someone can be a "lifestyle artist" and an artist. Like, really, that's like saying there's a difference between chefs and lifestyle chefs; "real chefs just post recipes, but those lifestyle chefs are just trying to make the food look good by posting food in pretty lighting with a nice table setup. they don't actually care about the food." That's what you sound like.
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Just looked up wooloo and it barely looks like a pokemon. If I saw it in the wild I'd think it was some weird sheep not a battle monster.
I kind of miss the old designs, but the new ones have charm
here, I actually tried doing bandwagon art in the past and thought 100~150 shares and likes in a day were a lot..
My stuff eventually got reposted a lot on Pinterest, Instagram, FB..etc and have gotten 3-5x the engagement from the original. Sure, I plaster my signature and url but let's be real, probably only less than 1% bother looking up the artist name anyway. People just see a pretty picture, hit fave and scroll away.
So I swore off to never do that again because reposts depress me and I'm too much of a pussy to handle stuff getting stolen from me.
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As much as I love her design, I can’t help but notice her back. It’s lowkey disappointing when it’s official artwork
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Fairly normal for Pokemon tbh.
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Can we talk about these ugly fucking traced anime bootleg SUPREME stickers this guy made that’s selling them this weekend at Anime Matsuri?
Someone go report his ass. (Not that AM would care they’re also a shit show disaster) he made a ton of these including anime skate decks. Wtf
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I saw this on the explore area of Instagram and thought this person had drawn a super thick neck
it's hair and everything else seems fine but lol
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Every time I open instagram this artist gets recommended to me 9k and brown nosing for shit anatomy
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I take my inspirations mostly from classic italian artists, such as Sergio Toppi, Guido Buzzelli and Guido Crepax.
I don't know if it is because of the oversaturation of images, but I get easily bored with instagram artists.
definitely an over-inflated fad. i bought a 4 pack of the fine tip posca pens to try and use in my art, either for accents or filling flat-colored areas. the paint either dumps itself into the surface or is too thin, the nibs are scratchy and feel like shit, it eats up paper unless you dump on purpose and paint with it (defeating the purpose of the pen), and the pumping process is so tedious because of the consistency of the activator. thinking it was a fluke, i bought a single white one to compare, and yep. same issues all over again. I ordered the 4 pack from amazon, single pen from local art store. i gave them to my 12-year-old sister, who is just starting out with drawing.
i can see why the larger pens are used for graffiti art, i'd imagine the larger nibs are probably better due to then being rounded over pointed and being able to hold more pigment. but the pointed nib posca pens are self-sabotage at it's finest. and people promoting them like they are godsends pisses me off.
Ah, good ol' Kuretake Gansai Tambi. I bought into the hype back when I first started watercolour. I don't necessarily regret
the purchase, because they're my go to when I just wanna fuck around with paint, but they are not worth the level of hype they had. Hype definitely hits the beginners the hardest.
fine tip poscas are pretty useless. Honestly, I'm a slut for molotow, the more expensive better versions of poscas. Poscas are cool for adding graphic elements like spot coloring to your drawings but using them for a full piece if you're drawing on paper tends to pill/shred the papers. >>422123
it honestly depends on the colors you're using/the paper. The yellows and pastels are definitely super watery but the reds and blues are definitely nice and thick and opaque on their own.
The issue with Kuretake is that they’re not traditional watercolours, yes they’re water activated but they use different binders from Western watercolours which makes their properties different.
- the pigments lie on top of the paper, rather than soak in
- they use animal glue, it’s why the paints have a sheen to them when dry
- the pans are so huge because they’re intended to be used with large bamboo brushes
- the paints are opaque
- they lift extremely easily
- they’re not really meant to be mixed, that’s why they turn out muddy
They’re really nice to use for quick expressive sketches because of how opaque and vibrant they are imo
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I'm new to this particular thread but I can't stand artists that monetize off traced art.
Art traced by Geekyfreakyartist on IG.
Poscas are good fun though, if you like graphic art with really bright colours. Awful for paper but they're not made for paper. Personally I like to pop them in sketches because they're bright and fun and god for spot colouring. >>422210
I got a tiny set of these recently whilst on a watercolour buying kick (I'm weak) and I am excited to use them but I don't think I'd want to blend them too much anyway. mostly because that would require another palette, but could be fun for really quick washes or yeah, fun sketches.
AYRT and I have the 48 colour set, I enjoy using it a lot. I feel like the washes are a lot more expressive thanks to the vibrancy without having to be layered so I do like using them for messier/sketch pieces which focus on movement and expressiveness more so than precision
That said I have yet to find any watercolour paints that I enjoy using more than M Graham and Daniel Smith, they’re both just unrivalled in my eyes in terms of quality
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Anyone else think VickiSigh is overrated and declining? Her anatomy has always been stylized but her latest piece is just… Such garbage. She used to pride herself on drawing empowered women but she got lazy and fell into the Instagram artist trap of drawing ~uwu lesbeans~ I used to be a big fan but since she started her patreon she started going downhill imo
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Another example from last year