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No. 384143
It should never be about how they look, it should always be about their art. No need to attack them for their look, physical features, etc. That is just cruel and bullshit! There is enough bullying in this world! Keep it about the art! No bullying on lots-of-lovecow.farm pls
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twisteddisaster putting heads on backwards/left is original
No. 384317
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>>384146she personally hurt your feelings but you realize that most of us aren't going to see that. You can be a huge bitch but as long as your professional facade is good it doesn't matter. we're here for the good ass art.
No. 384320
>>384317nta but we're here for
milk first. anon should dish if she has something to dish!
No. 384350
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>>384348They were riso prints, and I don’t know their sex, but then they started questioning if I give out my address for online shopping and it’s like ??? Yes but Amazon ain’t gonna be weird with it. It’s almost like giving an online company your address is much more impersonal than giving it out to people who have spoken to you a total of 5 times and seem to think you’re best friends now who should give each other your addresses
No. 384368
>>384350y i k e s
as everyone else said yeah, block that shithead. Not wanting to give out an address is totally understandable, instead they’re acting like you just personally insulted them. Fucking nut.
No. 384405
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So she has a tiny following, but YouTube keeps recommending me videos from this girl, Wichit. She mostly posts "sketchbook storytimes" with mediocre art and clickbaity titles. I watched one of them (the art theft holds a giveaway or whatever), the art was appalling and the "story" was so bland and… not dramatic.
She seems really young and like she's trying to ride on the coattails of popular youtubers by making response videos any time some sort of drama gets stirred up.
No. 384412
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>>384400Samefag but I can’t even escape it on Instagram now. SOS.
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No. 384456
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Move over Meyoco, your clone is rising in the ranks
No. 384460
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>>384456>13k likesWell damn, maybe I should start copying someone else's style to cash in on all the idiots who eat this stuff up
No. 384465
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>>384463Ugh, when will Creepshow get her grotty paws off of our thread, now even her friends are popping up here.
No. 384492
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Really petty and jealous salt, so I’ll sage. But damn, do I wish I had the disposable income that Marcia has - any creative endeavour she wants to try out she can just purchase any professional quality supplies for it and fully deck out a studio, I’m genuinely salty that I don’t have money to throw at my own personal kiln like she can. I don’t usually feel this sort of envy towards artists that are better off and can afford good supplies, and I think that stems from the fact that the money they have to spend on said supplies aren’t usually their parents/fiancés money whenever they feel like trying a new medium
Again, it’s petty, but where else am I to vent these frustrations if not here.
No. 384499
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>>384423Rae sucks at realisim (which she claims its her biggest asset) so theres plenty wrong
No. 384510
>>384503Lol you must be new here.
>>384499That ear tumor tho kek
No. 384530
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This Steph clone makes me so damn uncomfortable, I’m not usually one to reee about copying styles but I feel like at this point it’s too much - they’re pretty much a carbon copy of her and they’re getting rewarded for it
No. 384531
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>>384530Samefag, but the fact that they’re sponsored by Arteza just fucks me off even more
No. 384553
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Doodle Date seem like a sweet couple, but what the hell has happened to Adam's art? He used to improve decently, and now it's all wonky animu girls.
No. 384623
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>>384579I'm aware, inverting the colours doesn't really explain that level of sloppiness when it comes to the anatomy. Pic related is less bad, but still a mess.
Could be just a phase, either way I find it disappointing that most of these YT artists start slacking on fundamentals sooner rather than later.
No. 384638
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There this artist that was recommended to me on IG. Has over 6k following on their art page and over 120k on their main IG page. I don't know if they do YT or not.. And I feel like some of their poses I've seen on pintrest or somewhere else; it seems all familiar.
page -
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>>384553God I hate Adams pedo bait anime girls, I miss his old cute artwork, ever since he started drawing anime he’s been making them look more and more like lolis and he’s been getting dirtier looking in their videos
Pic related: screen cap from a video around December
No. 384666
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>>384665And a video from around a year ago. The more degenerate his lolis become the more of a basement dweller he becomes. Whatever happened to that children’s story he was going to write and illustrate with the cute character? Is she loli now too
No. 384675
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>>384666well what do you think lmao
No. 384685
>>384666>>384665he mentioned in one video he was depressed enough to not be able to do a video, so maybe he suffers from depression and he could be in a depressive state. that could explain the lack of appearance care + the fact hes been doing some more guilty pleasure art. the depressive state could've been
triggered by the whole memory issue steph mentioned a while ago, seeing someone you love go through something so serious where they could maybe even forget their partner could be highly stressful and distressing
No. 384691
>>384685He does have depression (and seems to be mentioning it more lately) and takes care of his sick girlfriend, so it doesn't bother me that he looks neckbeardy. Drawing anime isn't why he looks greasy, he's under a lot of stress between being his gf's caretaker and having a mood disorder, which is no doubt exacerbated by the former.
I get the hate for his style and what he chooses to draw but it's not enough to be milky. I mostly just feel bad for both of them because they're really nice people in a tough situation.
No. 384717
>>384704i believe its their main form of income and since they can do it from their home in their own bed thats what might be the best option they have right now concerning income, and as an artist who also has depression, i usually tend to make a lot of self indulgent art.
i think that he may be attempting to go with the cutsy aesthetic he's has throughout his art but due to the anime influences its making it more towards the creepy side than the cute. all of that is just speculation though, i just find it highly unlikely he'd make art with those kind of implications. i think its just he tried something and its not coming off as he intended.
No. 384765
>>384759It’s called draw this in your style. It’s plenty interesting to see different styles that keep the original feeling. Taking a picture that evokes an image of mourning and changing it to dead-fish or happy is lazy as shit.
And I see many where the new picture changes the skin tone. Refusing to draw black people is not an “art style”.
No. 384775
>>384769I really don’t see the issue with redrawing it highly rendered if that’s what you usually do. You seem really pressed about this, did someone redraw your piece better than you did?
As for the other anon, I have yet to see someone whitewash a character
No. 384801
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For real, how do you even gain traction on places like Instagram. I refuse to believe it’s just luck, there has to be a method to striking gold, everywhere has ways to market
No. 384803
>>384801Step 1: draw flowers
Step 2: draw generic "cute" women
Step 3: draw flowers on generic "cute" women
No. 384813
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>>384804See, illustrators like this get huge too and I feel like they must be really good at marketing - their work is gorgeous, but Instagram is so over saturated that it’s hard to make a name for yourself
No. 384837
>>384775>writes one short comment>really pressedIt's just bad form to use someone else's OC to make a point about how much better your own art is, y'dig?
Like choose an OC/artist closer to your level.
No. 384840
>>384801It's literally all about frequency of posting. The majority of popular accounts post a couple times a week, or more. Say goodbye to your free time and any other interests except art.
You may be able to draw less if you have connections and a Youtube account, but from nothing it's drawing+posting a ton.
Also people
will copy you even if you're only getting 100 likes, it will only get worse as you grow. The way to win is simply by working harder, posting more, being more active.
I personally don't think there is a lot of money in it and I would lose my mental health trying it, but that's how you do it.
No. 384887
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I don’t know if it’s just me but it bugs me when people plaster watermarks all over their work. It just kinda takes away from it and can’t really enjoy it. I stopped putting them unless if it’s a portrait of someone.
No. 384900
>>384887Damn I know majority of these drawings are the same character but the ones that aren’t have obvious same face syndrome. Plump lips, small noses, and the same eye shape.
And for watermarks, she seems to be doing it to ensure doodle won’t steal it since it’s gonna take awhile to get rid of that, but she could’ve at least integrate it bette run to the pied enervate thta white box of text is very attention grabbing
No. 384927
>>384887I think it's legitimate to use a watermark especially if you're an artist. As
>>384914 pointed out, a lot of people repost them without crediting the original artist which is a shame. It's not something that happens two times a year, it's something that happens on a regular basis because people are thirsty for new content but they don't care about copyright at all.
No. 384951
>>384887I agree with the other Anons, watermarks are good, but that's so obnoxious to have 'do not repost do not use as pfp or icons do not copy trace or edit' on every picture. Any kind of text on a picture I am gonna read so it's just like someone saying that every time I look at every image
Just sign your pic and go girl
No. 385041
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not a fan of Monique's work but I do feel bad for her.
No. 385046
>>385041A lot of the big youtubers seem to have severe/chronic illnesses
Monique
Waffles
Steph
I feel like I’m forgetting someone too
No. 385058
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A personal cow of mine - I’ve tabled next to her at a zine fair before, and holy shit is she an unpleasant person. Had an expression as though someone had shit in the her cereal the entire time, barely spoke to people who came to her table and told her they are huge fans of hers, and smells exactly like she looks she would - musky sweat.
I like her artwork a lot, I’m personally into crude art, but her personality is so awful. Her entire identity revolves around how fat she is, and her stories are insufferable with how much she goes on about the latest hot SJW topic.
One of the straightest women I have ever met but of course she’s not only ‘queer’ but also ‘they/them’ - truly the mating call of straight white women that have white saviour complexes and absolutely nothing interesting going for them.
No. 385075
>>384837If your art is so shit that anyone better than you redrawing it makes you ree then why are you even partaking in the tag. No one to does it to ‘show they’re better than you’ they do it for the mass exposure the tag gets you.
Y’dig?
No. 385095
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Lord save me, the art world is bleak. Why was I cursed with a passion for this field.
10k likes on something that doesn’t even look like it’s crude on purpose. I just want to seppuku.
No. 385107
>>385046Samefag, I was forgetting Kasey. Pretty sure she’s diabetic from what I remember her saying.
But yeah, a lot of the big names in the community seem to have physical health issues - plenty also claim to have mental health issues, but with how diagnosis happy doctors are these days and with self-diagnosing still being trendy who can say if they really do have these mental issues or if they’re playing them up a huge amount for sympathy points. I always have trouble believing people about their mental health problems when they’re overly public with them, considering most people find them to be shameful and will try to not be too open about it so they’re not vulnerable.
No. 385149
>>384801There are definitely some "sure fire" ways to get attention on Instagram and drawing pretty girls is one of them, although there's other options and more steps involved.
As others have pointed out, it's a very time consuming business and it will limit what and how much you draw. Personally I don't think investing in Instagram is worth it. The platform is finicky and the lack of sharing buttons makes getting your work out there stupidly hard.
Twitter, YouTube and even Tumblr are better platforms to focus on (IMO). People sometimes act like Instagram is where it's at and if you don't make it there then you're a no one but honestly?? What does Instagram offer that Twitter and YouTube don't lol.
No. 385161
>>385149Doesn’t Instagram currently have by the far the highest engagement rate out of all the platforms? I’m pretty sure they have a lot more users too. And wouldn’t being on a visual based platform give artists an edge over other platforms - just a few things off the top of my head that may make it the better platform in the long run
Also, Tumblr is dying so there’s that
No. 385197
>>385161Instagram's engagement is really shallow. People will like your pics and drop you brief a comment but only a v small amount will actually interact with you or check out external content/links you share. Since it's mostly mobile the type of interaction you get is a lot more fast paced, if that makes sense.
Mostly it's a crappier platform because there's no real way to re-share work. It's tough to get people to find you and even tougher to get people to actually engage with your work beyond a like and a comment. The tag system is useless for anything but fanart and their algorithms are v finicky (for example if you post something and then edit the caption because you spotted a caption or whatever Instagram will reduce the amount of people who see it on their timeline and basically cut it out lol)
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good platform to have, but if you're looking to make money/connect with artists/find a job I think twitter/YouTube work better because you can actually interact with people there.
At least that's my take on it from using all those platforms and talking to people who do the same.
No. 385225
>>385197if you arent working with the algorithm (daily posts w/o tags, constant stories, comments on everything) you need engagement from promo sources.
for $5+ art feature instas will post a bunch of your drawings to their 200k followers and that will get you at least 100 new followers each time. some artists like humid peach use their stories for $5+ shoutout purposes. draw this in your style works both ways.
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No. 385241
>>385197Agreed with this 100%. Most of the interaction you get on IG (when you're not huge, obvs) is from other artists who just want you to look at their work/follow them, rather than people being genuinely interested in your art.
I think it's worth having as a kind of visual portfolio, a lot of zines and more casual art jobs want you to have an IG, but I wouldn't focus on it as a way to build a real following unless you're willing to dedicate most of your time to it.
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I know it's unlikely he lurks, but it's a funny coincidence anyway.
No. 385351
>>385350Same, I wish there was a platform just for art again that has the potential to make it big
Now all of the artwork on Deviantart very much lives up to its name
No. 385355
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>>385288Screenshot of the video in question, and oh boy. This skull that he draws in particular.
No. 385567
>>385542Honestly, you should do both if you can!
You could close one commission slot, up your prices and start making merch on the side.
Original merch is great because you get them done once and you can just reprint them if the reception is good, until you feel the need to retire the designs. You don't have to worry about series popularity etc, which is kind of a pain with fandom merch (though if you know what you're doing, they're waaay easier to sell.)
Sorry if it doesn't help, as someone who mainly does merch over commissions, I think that's how I would personally go about it. Good luck anon!
No. 385633
>>385630Click on "no 75466" on the post you want to reply to
This creates a >>776877 link to the post in your reply.
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No. 385634
>>385075I am not taking part in the tag. Just as an observer, you can't say someone's art is shit on one hand and then spend hours or days recreating their OCs on the other. There is a time investment in taking part in the tag. If you genuinely think an artist you redraw is shit and are just doing it for the likes you have bigger problems than your Instagram engagement. Personality issues which will come back to bite you later.
Btw not talking to you specifically anon, but just anyone who genuinely dislikes the artist you are repainting. Wyd gurl
No. 385644
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>>385570qinni isn't discussed here because she has a genuinely charming personality and good art. shes had 4 open heart surgeries to fix her shitty heart disease but hasnt actually ever gotten a mech replacement or transplant (those are good for 5-10 years).
No. 385671
>>385395I recently saw 0073.uv (idk her real name) saying that she was really impressed with arteza gouache and liked them more than W&n, which really interested me because I personally dislike W&N gouache myself, but idk if I actually trust her enough to buy a set.
I know not everyone agrees, but I think it's a lot better to just get a primary set of artists quality materials to try out a medium rather than trying student grade first, only because you won't truly get a feel for how the medium is supposed to play when you're starting with lower quality, and small primary sets tend to be priced comparibly to larger student grade sets.
No. 385774
>>385395i actually like their gouache, its the best student grade affordable one I tried. some colours have wayyy too many pigments but i youre careful it won't get muddy and it's rather opaque and cheap. it's not light-fast (at most 3 +'s) but at least the rating's written on each tube which I like.
where I live though designer's gouache is pretty expensive and that's why arteza is a good deal, so if you can afford it I would recommend it over arteza.
No. 385778
>>385771Yes and people love hoarding them then selling them back. Some folks like to RP with them. It's a waste of money but most use them as a social/status /popularity symbol, especially if it's a 'closed species'. It's all the rage on Da especially if you're popular there. There's actually a bit of milk to be had there if you go digging, but I personally don't want this turning into an adoptable salt thread.
I'm personally put off by them and the kind of people that gravitate towards adoptable groups. Though if they're individual batches just by one person, I tend to see some real creativity.
If people like a design and see value in it, they'll buy. Especially if they can't draw. I don't see much wrong with that. It's the groups and shit I can't stand.
No. 385799
>>385791i quite like that he keeps a normal voice instead of forcing a cringe shrieking quirky personality down our ears. people come to him for technique and to Kasey etc more for entertainment.
he seems less retarded also, his video on art schools condemning aesthetically driven artwork elicits interesting questions.
I find his 2009 anime style weird though, but I'll give him a pass because he is genuinely good.
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>>385825I agree, and what's more there's a reason an art school wouldn't like his portraits. Even an aesthetically driven art movement like rococo engages the viewer with texture and color, laovaan's boring ass photograph-of-beautiful-girl pieces are weak as fuck in comparison. They're full of gimmicks, too. (watercolor drips, adding little white dots so planes look like outer space, etc)
No. 385912
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>>385905I realized that wasn't a good example so here's an actual rococo portrait. What I'm saying is that in no time period would he be an acclaimed artist, since his pieces are objectively, technically, mediocre. They are also referenced from photographs- which is not necessarily a bad thing but there are certain connotations to that in this day and age. And art is all about those connotations (and not just in contemporary art). And so a drippy hot girl in saturated colors is not really going to cut it.
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>>385825Laovaan is decent at rendering which makes his animu, three quarter view portraits ok to look at, but his art isn’t anything special. I think a lot of digital artists make up for their mediocre art skills with their digital rendering. Although the way he rendered the hair in this picture is so bad.
No. 385929
>>385917 that hair looks like a bunch of spikes i cant even,,
also does anyone else get annoyed by the "aRtiST pRoBlEmS OwO" vids?
No. 385930
>>385834Lol why. It is a
valid argument. He could be using his skills to create actual works of art, or perhaps go commercial for concept art, instead all he does is pretty insta thots and anime dudes. He has an actual skill set but is applying his skills to make hashtag fodder.
No. 385993
>>385906i was the one who complained about Sandra's accent and mind you I am from a non English speaking European country. id rather Yt artists either speak a language they speak well and add subtitles or speak semi-ok English pronunciation-wise.
not only is American not the standard for folk who have English as their second language here (its British English) but if you use English to reach a wider audience you have to speak it intelligibly as not to alienate your viewers who aren't native anglophones and have to try really hard to get past the accent.
YT artists are not artists but entertainers and clear speech is as relevant a skill as, idk, knowing how to connect with your audience or not filming when you haven't bathed for 3 days. at the end of the day I know I like Sandra and will go out of my way to listen even if she's grating, but the less at ease w English who can't make out anything she says can find it's a dealbreaker and you can't blame them.
No. 386009
>>385963I know which video you're talking about but i dont see how it relates? i mean, he had a point… many art professionals are really stuck up their own ass with what constitutes ""true art"" and get
triggered whenever students don't follow it or treat it as a "lesser" form of art and want students to make art that pleases them (the professor) rather than giving them assignments and criteria to follow and grading based off of that.
Didn't laovaan even mentioned that he disliked doing the less aesthetically pleasing assignments not because he had to do them but because he put significantly less effort into them yet his teachers loved them?
No. 386015
>>385993 English is one of the top languages on youtube and nets the largest amount of views. I think that if she just switched to her native language and put subs, she wouldn't have as wide a reach, plus, it's more back end work for her.
I think that she is trying her best. her speech cadence is a little odd, but she's not unintelligible. In the beginning, she didn't really have speech at all in her vids because she was too nervous to try her English. I'm not throwing a pity party for her or anything, but it's not like she's trying to play up the cutesy annoying high pitched voice WITH accent like a lot of other art youtubers do.
No. 386019
>>386009Academic art professors aren't judging students because of their "personal anime style" or trying to take away their rights. They don't despise precious anime and cartoons they just can't use that to teach foundations. It's obviously sensitive and personal to get your work shredded to shit, but thats why you're actually there.
Professors teach by trying to break students out of their boundaries and push them to grow. He started out as a pretty photocopier. He completed the class as a pretty photocopier. He didn't grow or learn to break himself out of style or boundaries, and he still hasn't seen any growth in his empty, vapid work despite maintaining high marks.
No. 386024
>>385930>It is a valid argument. He could be using his skills to create actual works of art, or perhaps go commercial for concept artExcept it’s not, because none of those arguments discredit his art. Just because we like it doesn’t make it objectively bad as artwork, it literally just has to be created and viewed - his talents aren’t ‘wasted’ as long as he is creating.
Saying someone is wasting their talent always was and always will be a shitty and bitter argument people pull out without anything to actually back up how someone can possibly be wasting such a personal resource.
>create ACTUAL works of art Enlighten me, what are in your opinion ‘actual’ works of art then without pulling some old masters out of your ass because no one fucking paints like that anymore and if they do they reach absolutely no success.
No. 386043
>>386019i hate to break it to ya but not every professor is trying to push their students to be better in the sense of personal growth to the student, but pushing them to "be better" as in pushing them to create things the professor personally enjoys or makes.
I had an art professor that constantly pushed me to do something different and try out different things as long as they fell within criteria. He encouraged all of his students to go on their own artistic journey and find their own path and blah blah blah.
Someone else (at my same school) had an art professor that would constantly push them… to make works that were pleasing to the professor. Regardless of what the criteria was and whether or not the student followed it, if it wasn't something the professor connected with it was obviously a fault of the student.
some teachers just suck ass. even at a professional university level.
No. 386051
>>386030Yeah you need to make skilled friends. and you can definitely just go to a workshop/atelier program for a year and study under a mentor, but if your foundations suck and you're stuck making the same mistakes that none of your untrained friends wanted to point at you just arent ever going to get your art to "that" level, like how cyarine will probably never get past her foundational problems.
>>386043some professors will be bad (ego strokers, "just show up for an A!", "all art is great" pushers) and some will say "i am going to make you all cry", "i don't accept this design", "you need to do it exactly like me" and of course you have the right to just drop that class. of course all professors aren't good and I wasn't suggesting that.
No. 386064
>>386052It is stupid. I used to fall into the closed species trap til I quickly figured out that it was just one big popularity contest for who can suck the most creator/mod dick, and who can spend the most money. I was so put off from it. A couple of my friends turned real sour after joining a few of them.
That on top of all the role play and inner circle drama that spills out. It's not worth it. There's some people who take commissions only to spend all that money they earned on more designs they weren't creative enough to come up with themselves.
It really doesn't take much to design a few pretty looking adopts and sell them; I used to be able to do it. The real challenge is maintaining a group of entitled brats who argue over the stupidest bullshit about a bunch of drawings.
No. 386076
>>386024you sound like the type of person that says 'everyone is special in thier own special way uwu' and takes it seriously.
>>385930 stated very clearly the issue is where the drawings are being placed, not that the drawings themselves are bad. laovaan can draw, he just draws weeb shit. its fine, work that niche, get that weeb money, but im gonna point and laugh at him cause what he is creating is a downgrade from his best just for profit.
No. 386084
>>386076And he'll be laughing all the way to the bank. It's not anyone else's fault you decide to sneer bitterly about someone else's 'potential', lmao. No need to try and justify your answer. Just be a bitter bitch and be proud of it.
That's just the plight of an artist that wants to make money off their work; They have to meet their audience half way. There's no objective 'standard' for that.
No. 386087
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>>386071From what I can tell she tends to genuinely try out all the new things she picks up, even if it’s just in her own spare time and not for profit. And I dunno, I personally think her artwork would work well for screen prints because of her strong line work that works well with block colours
I think if she worked in a style to pic related it would work really well as prints
No. 386095
>>386084ok. cool. you're wrong. art can exist all it wants, but if no one looks at it, the fact it exists means nothing. you're skewing the argument to make it seem that laovaan should be free of dissent because he is creating. that is the most common denomiator defence ive ever read.
ive followed his work for years. and my opinion is he can do better. i dont know about you, but i dont want an audience of yesmen, telling me my art is fine as it is, and therefore encouraged to have no drive to improve.
but hey, if thats what you want, then with that mentality, you have achieved your goal before you even start. gg.
No. 386096
>>386095meant to be a responce to
>>386082 lol
No. 386098
>>386095No, you’re completely misunderstanding what I’m saying, I’m arguing against the idea that talent can be wasted - it can’t, because they’re still creating. I’m not saying that people shouldn’t be criticised but that ‘they’re wasting their talent!!’ isn’t an argument
You’re really grasping at straws here to justify your viewpoint.
No. 386169
>>386029>>385993Yeah yeah smart asses, American English isn't official but the accent is the one that's mostly taught on this side of the planet and that's the most heard accent in art tubers we love to salt about in this thread.
I still stand to the point of the general feeling I get of criticism towards (genuine, not the voice people put on for entertainment, eg. Tori) accents here in this board is the same as Americans being unable to watch movies with subs or NEEDING to have an American version of X successful foreign movie because they can't enjoy anything foreign.
>>386003Yeah but I can say this criticism can be dumb and tiresome too.
No. 386172
>>386169>American English isn't official but the accent is the one that's mostly taught on this side of the planet 1. What do you mean the accent that’s mostly taught? People don’t learn accents unless they’re actors or something
2. This side of the planet? Lmao, really? American accents are literally in only one country, what are you on about. Why do Americans never seem to understand that you’re not the world, you’re not even close to majority
3. Unbearably thick accents are absolutely something that can and should be worked on if you intend to speak in a language foreign to you to thousands for profit. English isn’t my first language either and working on your accent is just something you gotta do if you want to be easily understood, just like native English speakers should work on their accents when they want to speak in a different language
No. 386199
>>386169reading comprehension. you sound like the American one, to always put Americans at the centre of the conversation when they have nothing to do with what I said.
it is possible, as a european non native Anglophone, to expect other non natives to speak intelligible English so that you can understand them, and this criticism is especially reasonable when you are in their shoes and don't have perfect English either.
and I would be OK with her filming in Italian also (BC Europeans here know a handful of languages, unlike those pesky Americans you are obsessed w/), but if her choice is English the whole point is to be understood by most, so yeah you have to speak at least okay English.
No. 386213
>>386088This is what happened to me and why I fell into a rut with my art because I felt like I could only post things that were 'high quality' or things people liked as my follower count went up. Imo I think it's partly why a lot of popular artists fall off the radar after a while, or start drawing less and less. Either that or they start churning out the same things that made them popular over and over again, i.e. sakimichan/meyoco/rossdraws etc
It's really tough to find a balance, I think, and it's unavoidable the moment you have an audience/ on any sm platform with metrics. As much as I try to stick to drawing whatever I like, I do find myself thinking things like: 'oh this thing got a lot of likes the last time I drew it, maybe I should draw more of it' or 'I don't know if I should post this because it's not what my audience expects from me'
No. 386216
>>386168Hi, I used to be an adoptable buyer, the most I spent on an adoptable was 500 usd. I left the community a year or two ago, and sold all my characters off for equal value or more. (Usually I had invested commissioned art of the characters, so I would resell the design at a mark up price).
A lot of my friends are still in the adoptable community, and many of them see adoptable characters as investments or fodders for better trades or characters. I've even recieved one design that costed 400 usd in total because I offered an art in return. It's a lot like a trading card community, I guess.
I'm going to answer your questions now, but its going to be mainly sperging. I apologize for my shit grammar.
>What exactly is there drama about in the community? As of now, there isn't actually any law regarding about adopts or designs for sale. I only know a handful of artists who legitimately trademarked their closed species (sushidogs). Most of the community run under a honor code where if you're seen breaking a designer's terms of service, reselling illegitimate adopts (didnt own them in the first place), or charge backing artists, many adopt users would blacklist you from the community. Shit like this is documented on deviantart or toyhou.se
This seems so intense for literal jpegs. But, a lot of designers make communities where people of the same species or design can interact. In fact, one community I was in would host ARPG events, and even host an online shop where your 'points' could be spent on items for your characters. It's really fun and neat if the mods of the community knows what the fuck they're doing.
Moreover, alot of adopt buyers are teenaers or 20 something girls who see adoptables as trophies or designer brand goods to flaunt. So there would be pointless drama all the time. Like people low key harassing owners for their design, copying other people's characters, marking up resells even if theres no extra artworks with the character, etc. I remember people talking shit about this one buyer in particular because she bought 90% of the available designs from this one artist. There was even a drama of a other buyer owning a monopoly on another artist's adopts, so she tried to rack up the prices. No one was amused lol.
There's also like 15 year old harassing designers for selling adoptables from the 200-800 usd range lol. I remembered one drama where some teenager charged back a total of 7000 dollars from adoptae artists. One artist was put under by 30000 usd.
>Why would there be RP drama? basically, why WONT U SHIP UR SEXY UKE CHARAcTER WITH MY BISHIE bullshit.
3. Are there like… Adoptable controversies?
There's a shit load of controversies like dainties used to have a life of shota deer boys with aphrodisiac saliva. Annies has a giant ass journal detailing the deep slavery of cute anime lolis.
Other people just hate specific designers due to their political beliefs or porn they drew.
4. What types of people are involved in the community?
Teenagers, college kids, etc. A lot of them are shit talkers, basically. I've met people who would accuse a designers of rigging raffles for characters because they didnt win..
>What's the deal with closed species? What happens if a creator decides that an unrelated character is part of their species? Is there a lot of paranoia surrounding who can and cannot use a species?I might be biased, but people who legitimately sell adoptables as an income see closed species more as a community purpose. Meaning, if there's a design that was stolen from the community, you're blacklisted from participating in the community. (The dainty community has 2000 members, I think the beanbag community has thousands of members as well). Most designers Ive spoken with doesn't care about people making similar designs or closed species concepts. Theyre not original at all, and they know this. closed species basically means you cant participate jn this faux neopets community unless you have a legitimate charavter.
But I do see plenty of 14-20 year olds attacking other artists for having similar concepts to their kawaii cat species. Those tend to not care about hosting a community, though. They're more interested in the income b.c characters with 'rarer traits' can be sold for more because supplies are limited.
I'm saging this post because Im kinda retarded writing so much, but I hope this answer it for you, anon.
Also, there used to be tumblr blogs that documented confessions, gossips, or drama called closedspeciesdrama. You can look at that if you want an idea of what sally does after coming home from highschool lol.
IMHO opinion, the adopt community is milky enough to have it's own thread, but that requires users here to actually be invested in deviantart bullshit… I'm honestly surprised to see adoptables mentioned here.
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I'm fucking stupid. Here is the image.
There was this one design from another artist that was rumored to be sold off for 23k. The original artist won't disclose if its true or not.
No. 386243
>>386238I notice furry adoptables tend to sell better than human adoptables in terms of income tbf. If you want to get into the human adopt scene, you have to pander to fujos pretty hardcore. If you google sushidogs, some of them went for 2k back in the day. Basic dainties are sold for 250ish usd. It's very rare to see human adopts to sell for much unless you have THE designer brand name. It's honestly a hit or miss market depending on your brandname. I've seen some very good designs be sold for only 35 dollars. The artist who was rumored to sell the adopt mentioned in my post had like 4-5 years of adoptable experience under their belt.
Though, the funny thing is a lot of these buyers would ask for a payment plan to pay off the adoptable.
Can you imagine, budgetting your adoptable needs along side your mortgage and loan payments lol.
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Okay, I feel like I’m obsessing at this point, but Instagram keeps recommending this woman to me and she’s so weirdly popular for someone who just skinwalks two very popular artists. Now she’s back to being a Kasey clone again I guess? Just find it weird that seemingly no one has called her out on it and she’s even getting sponsorships
No. 386262
>>386256 You can do that yeah it's a thing. But be warned. Once adopt creators get into the scene thats all they tend to be known for and that's all people expect. Much like fanart or porn. It's fun to do on the side to make some extra cash but I've only ever known popular adopt artists to make adopts. They may have their own characters but they don't really do much else besides sell and the occasional rp.
All this, of course, implying that you become popular doing it. That's tough in itself. Give it a whirl though. See how it goes.
As for communities… I mean if you're interested in being around a bunch of spergy teens and adults with no impulse control that lose their shit over OCs, have fun with that.
No. 386461
>>386417Deviantart and Furaffinity are where they're popular. A bunch have discord groups. Some are on Twitter as well. Shit's a disease.
>>386388Speaking of the ant drawings, a part of the reason why I unsubscribed fom her channel was because she kept pushing that stupid ant gimmick. I get it's her 'signature' but for a long time it felt like that was all she drew. They were cute but not THAT cute. I guess she just was really pushing that for her brand.
But mostly it was her obnoxious behavior.
No. 386503
Nta but I also kind of want to give my opinions about adoptables and why people spend so much on them.
I used to be in the adoptable community too, spent quite a bit of money on one designer in particular.
Keep in mind, I'm not rich. I pay bills every month and I would put buying an adopt over buying myself food for a few days. Of course this sounds autistic as hell, because it is. So why?
Point blank I found out that adoptables are easy to get addicted to. Kind of like gambling, especially when it comes to AUCTIONS. it's why most popular artists hold them, because they know most can't resist or control themselves. It's why most have payment plans as an option - as long as they get the money in the end who cares.
I thought I was friends with a few popular adopt artists, who only ever talked to me to feed this 'adiction'. I even Brian to talk about how as soon as I bought the adoptables, I immediately felt empty. The most I felt out of adoptables was winning an auction.
Needless to say, once I began selling off my things and stopped being a loyal customer - those friends left me.
They didn't care that I was doing better now that I found something else to do with my time and money that helped me. Some even talked negatively about me now. Saying I insulted them, when in reality I just asked that they talked to me about something other than their newest adoptables batch that I'm ~so lucky~ to get a peek at.
Sorry this is so long, but I kind of needed to get this off my chest. Adopt artists will take advantage of people if it means they can get money, even if it's their own friends.
I also no about some adopt drama since I've been involved for a few years so if anyone just wants a random recap of some I can type something up later.
No. 386516
>>386503I’m not surprised that the adoptable community takes advantage of people with weak impulse control and fully take adavantage of how easily manipulated people can be through a dopamine rush. Kinda gross when you think about how this is how other addictable things are pushed by big companies, from things as sinister as tobacco to fast fashion that seems to perpetually go on sale so you keep feeding a consumer addiction. Hell, it’s all artificial scarcity too
Sage for hippie ramble, but I feel like capitalism/consumerism tends to taint everything
No. 386531
>>386528Eh, it sounded like a childish thing to say and she’s childish in general
She’s honestly just a womanchild minus the Disney the obsession
No. 386561
Sorry for spelling since i have to do this from my phone and lolcow isn’t functional on it rn!
>>386554You’re right - it is related to that, but in my case i still dont buy many things. I buy something maybe once a month (no more than $20)and that was before and after adoptables. It opened me up to a problem i never thought I’d have to worry about.
>>386558It’s not everyone’s usual tactic,but I’ve learned it happens a lot more often than you think. If you see someone who bids on an artist a lot, but the only time you ever see the user and artist interact is in reference to adopts - no matter how ‘friendly’ they seem - the artist is using them.
I thought i was just an isolated case, but i started to see it pop up more.
Adopt artists seem friendly and interactive, but on TH alone i know there have been artists that’ve taken and persuaded customers to go with a payment plan instead of saving to get their fucked up body fixed (their words at that time, not mine).
No. 386592
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Since we were talking about Cyarine recently I decided to give her socials a geez, and guys what the actual fuck. 1.5M. That is the same amount as someone like Loish. I don’t understand, her work is generic, her personality is bland, she isn’t an entertainer - how the actual fuck did she manage to claw her way up to 1.5M. They seem to be real too since her engagement is at 6% which is pretty standard for someone with so many followers
No. 386627
>>386503>>386516Dude wtf, sorry to hear that adoptables can be seen that way.
Really, how I see adoptables is similar to someone buying a picture for their house. It’s unneeded, yet people buy pictures anyway because the image looks nice. It isn’t essential, but people buy it to fit their own needs or to reselll it.
That sucks hearing that some people buy adoptables just for the ‘rush’ of the auction part, but people should know that that isn’t all there is to adoptables. It’s broad, you can have an adoptable base where you get to see your character in the artists’ style, or you could get a character design that you would like to make into a character. Hell, with these, you should be able to sell most adoptables because after you buy them, you OWN them.
A little off topic, but another complaint I see about adoptable is that most designs aren’t original. To this, I see it similar to saying that all modern music sucks because it’s the same. Of course it is, it’s because it’s what sells, yet not EVERY modern music is the same, it’s called looking beyond what’s popular. There are some gems out there, you just have to look!
No. 386667
>>386503I had nearly an identical experience. When I was working a shitty job I scrounged up whatever money I could find just to be able to afford someone's adopts. I got shunned by a lot of people when the rush of buying any wore off. A lot of owners of species adopts and their stans especially, won't give you the time of day once you stop buying them.
The 'brand loyalty' of some fans is so fucking ridiculous. I regret showing one of my friends a group because now that's all they talk about even after I told them to lay off, and that I wasn't interested in seeing them hoard characters they'll never use/resell when it's an "emergency". then they wondered why I was suddenly uncomfortable with them. I couldnt pinpoint what else about it made me uncomfortable until you brought up the dopamine rush.
It's insidious too, considering some groups can and do run little events in between batches like gatchas. And people stay so aggressively loyal because they figure "I sunk so much money into this, I can't back out now" and any dissenter is ostracized. It's fucking awful. All for what, buying a cluttered design youll never use or draw. I sincerely hope that this kind of thing becomes less popular because building a cult of personality around someone's art easily gets messy and drama-ridden. It's rare to see a group that's genuinely chill and friendly, and when you do they're really small or they shut down bc they don't allow screeching teens into them.
That's another thing. A lot of folks run the risk of just letting younger people kind of be in a group that they can easily become addicted to, or that they might end up sneaking past the radar and engaging in 18+ shit with their characters. I really didn't like it.
There's a lot wrong with the adoptable scene and I'll probably never want to engage, much less create a scene like that because of the reasons discussed here. Too many predatory artists trying to get your money by appealing to your impulsive/addictive qualities that may be latent otherwise.
No. 386744
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I know people have been asking about clip studio paint the last couple threads, just thought I should mention they're having one of their half off sales atm.
No. 386846
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>>386793Right? I thought she'd grown as a person and was starting to move on once her style started deviating from Loish's a few years ago, but then I saw a couple things that made me think she was falling back into old habits with a different target.
Hopefully she doesn't start crafting her entire life around Michelle like she did with Loish back in the day.
No. 386882
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So recently, this artist (lolatempest) has been underfire because she asked an artist in this overwatch discord server to repost their art into NSFW because they drew mccree shirtless. People are going batshit over this because many OW skins have characters shirtless, but it's not considered NSFW. So people are accusing lola of being
transphobic since the artwork was trans male Mccree.
I didnt pageshot it, but Lola went on to tweet that the artist involved mentally ill lol.
What do you guys think?
Link to the conversation:
https://twitter.com/whimsipop/status/1106184819879350272?s=20Typing lolatempest in twitter gets you some of her replies and fallout.
Someone called Lola out for accusing the artist being mentally ill. Then lola started talking about how she herself is mentally ill. It's wild.
No. 386894
>>386882although the sentiment of 'shirtless bodies are not inherently sexual' is a nice one, in reality, if it were to appear in a public place, regardless of gender or context, it is not professional. looking at images of nude people, even partially nude people, for anything other than what the job or setting demands, is not typically acceptable.
to the idea of junk and hog being shirtless in game, that argument kills itself. it is in the game. games are played in your free time. unless your job is to play overwatch, you probably shouldnt be playing overwatch at work. or looking at fanart, for that matter.
a photo of a model is fine. a photo of a shirtless model has different implications.
and yes, transmale scars are fetishized. but it is still a nude body. regardless of political alignment, it is nsfw. this is just more sjw bandwagoning likely brigaded by typical tumblrinas who have nothing better to do than argue over a fictional character and claim it be oppression.
No. 386934
>>386882Never I'd imagine Paige "fatphobia is worse than
transphobia" Thumbcramps would be now Paige "trans rights" Whimsipop. Paige's tweets mist be taken with a grain of salt
No. 386949
>>386935As much as tumblr's denomination of "female presenting nipples" is dumb, we can all agree that shirtless women imagery is deemed sexual and inappropriate for public spaces and it's simply not the same for shirtless men.
If a discord server is imposing rules for what can be or not nsfw, if shirtless men aren't deemed as such in their rules, the same consideration should be applied to women.
No. 387041
>>386636I do both digital and traditional, but my paintings are far more popular. People really love the idea of owning physical artwork. Sending packages can be a scary experience at first, but it's actually quite easy. Adding some extra stuff like unsold stickers from a con or a card saying thank you makes it even better.
I don't have limited slots but I reply to all of them inviting to leave character references and infos and telling how long it'll take me to get to their commission. If you're just starting it's probably better to have limited sloths, tho. And if you use paypal, use invoices, it'll save your ass.
No. 387064
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What do you guys think of artists asking for donations for themselves?
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>>387193Well, now I know what the dead fish expression people like to paint looks like irl
No. 387223
>>387221 Agreed.
Especially in Procreate, since you can customize your own brushes and create new ones.
Beginners & impressionable artists think there's a special "cheat" brush that will make their work just as good as -insert artist here- as long as you pay 5'99$ or whatever. And artists like Bluessatan for example, or Heymaryjean , take advantage of it.
No. 387268
>>387221It really depends. To an advanced artist, who isn't necessarily in search for "the best brush ever", but also doesn't want to spend a chunk of time they could be making art, to customize their own brushes, I can see how it'd be a useful tool. Especially if they're not necessarily happy with the current/default tools or savvy on making things to their liking.
Making suitable brushes for a more rounded toolbox, does take some considerable effort and time, and I think an artist who puts thought into those tools and is willing to share them, ought to be compensated (Frenden comes to mind).
but it's easy to tell when a lesser artist is just tweaking 1 or 2 settings then trying to sell them like they're worth anything. Those kinds of brushes are a dime a dozen on dA and Gumroad.
No. 387272
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A lot of my art mutuals have been subtweeting this animator's CR fanart of Beau, who is canonically brown. When people pointed it out, the artist tweeted how she always drew fanart of beau as a korean, before the official art was released. Therefore, she isnt being problematic because this is purely her headcanon. Moreover, she said she doesn't want to change her headcanon to a different race. This caused a decent amount of asians (especially brown asians) to attack the animator.
She just deleted all of her tweets justifying herself (hence missing tweets).
No. 387318
>>387285I like them but I also get pretty into fandom and stay for a while. The spergy morons that expect you to bow down to their personal preferences and get
triggered when you don't ruin the fun though. Let's just say as an artist on Tumblr I've been both accused of being an SJW and a Nazi all because of skin tones in my art work.
No. 387322
I find this YouTube channel helpful if you can’t find a figure drawing class near you.
https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideoThe videos are set up to mimic the timed pose drawing just like a irl class is set up. Great for working in sketching the human form quickly and loosely.
No. 387367
If nobody did it I would recommend croquis café.
>>387277Funny that I bet nobody would bat an eye if this or that character were headcanon'ed as brown and official art confirms them to be white and the artist kept drawing them as brown.
No. 387438
>>387370>argue with their logicisnt that exactly what saying that is? by asking that question, you are demanding an explaination as to why those similar situations are treated differently. if they want to take cartoons and animation on as a field for social justice and politics, they should expect people to respond to them as if it was a political argument. if they cant back up their actions (in most cases resort instantly to childish namecalling and 'la-la-la cant hear you' tactics), then maybe they should reasses their viewpoint, and no one does that when all they hear is applause over dissent.
>>387430i dont think, in this particular case, it is whataboutism. the bending of races is a trope for likes, but changing a characters race doesnt make more representation. making actual characters of varying races makes representation. why should we treat one side differently when the script is flipped?
No. 387469
>>387453sure they can. it is better to talk about that issue without a political bend on it. but you have to think about the motivations of people that do racebending. they dont do it because they want more diverse characters. they do it make a point about how many homogenous characters there are, usually due to their politics. if they actually wanted more diverse characters, they would make them themselves, and make their own story, and not try to piggy-back off of someone else's work they apparently have an issue with.
main point, racebending and discussion thereof doenst have to be political, but it is at least unimaginative and shows a lack of creativity on the artist's part.
No. 387515
>>387331one of the 3d model websites I like is
https://figurosity.com They have nudes or smooth textures models available too but you have to pay a small fee to see them. Base models with clothes and different body shapes are free though!
No. 387544
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>>387536There's already official art for the characters though. Pic related.
No. 387568
>>387536 >>387556
I find the whole argument stupid but while a podcast exists for CR, it's Twitch streamed originally, and that art was there day one when they started the campaign. Whether or not that fact matters to one's view of the thing is negligible but eh. I find it kind of stupid to both headcannoning someone else's personal DnD character. Beau was exactly the way Marisha Ray wanted her from the getgo
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>>387573Samefag, but I imagine she got a ridiculous amount of people DMing her just to tell her they don’t live there, and yeah, I’m not sure why you would feel the need to DM someone that. They probably expected her to reply to every single one too, what do you even say to that?
No. 387580
>>387563If it's an audio media idc but it's significantly weirder if it's a show or movie
Actually idc either way, head canons are a dumb thing to get assmad about on either side lmfao
No. 387585
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It's strange how the artist doubled down saying her HC of Beau was her being korean. Therefore, she can't be brown… But brown koreans exist. This whole ordeal is pretty funny, considering how she tweets 'woke' tweets. Now, her SJW kind is cannibalizing her.
Pic linked is a famous brown korean. Though, this photograph probably has some edits.
No. 387586
>>387580I feel like headcanons a lot of the time are disrespectful to the creators intentions for that character. They made that character who they are for a reason, I find it weird when feel entitled enough to not only create headcanons but then also showcase them publicly and hold them to a higher regard than canon. I also think it’s really telling that more often than not they’ll force trans/queer/minority status onto the characters - like making the black Spider-Man from the latest movie Jewish, because black isn’t enough these days
Just completely disregards the intentions and world building of the creator imo
No. 387589
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>>387586Matt mercer actually made a comment about white washing brown CR characters. People think he meant the act of white washing other people's art, while other people think he meant headcanons. So take this at your will.
>>387587The model of the photo is jella im. She is full Korean.
No. 387593
>>387586I agree. Beau is brown. Continuing to pretend she's Korean when she was brown from day 1 reeks of fetishizing.
I follow another super entitled artist who gets assmad about people point out her CR fanart is inaccurate and she goes on about MUH HEADCANONS, but at least she doesn't change their skin colors. She just makes them fat lmao.
No. 387599
>>387594Do you use a special pencil or is it OK to draw with regular pencils and a4 paper?
I always feel underequipped to follow a drawing course.
No. 387633
>>387586Yeah I can definitely understand your perspective but also…its fanart. If a content creator is cool enough putting their material out there they've gotta be cool with people potentially "disrespecting" their vision and I say this as someone who's produced work that has inspired some bizarre fanart . If people want to make characters POC/gay/trans whatever idgaf but like another anon said that shit gets weird and gross when people try to force their headcanons on the rest of the fandom/other fans. Like draw your weird shit but don't try to convince me or other people that it's the only
valid interpretation
No. 387651
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I hate this guys art so much. The only reason he landed a book deal is because he’s a troon. I really wish Insta would stop trying to shove his shitty comics and selfies down my throat
No. 387673
>>387272Lol I remember when someone got mad at her for making that goblin character like green and big nosed? They said it was antisemitic or some other kind of insane reach.
I feel like she will cave in on this she seems really susceptible to peer pressure
No. 387700
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What is up with artists and some YouTube influencers making T-shirts about anxiety?
No. 387735
>>387585I was about to say. They probably jumped on the artist because most Koreans don’t have idol paper white skin.
The art shown of the character still looks Asian to me
No. 387739
>>387700I don't know but I hate the trend of "uwu my anxiety, let me capitalize on it by making cute pins of my anxiety/mental illness" and everyone just eats it up like "MOOD, OMG ME" .
Awareness is fine. but a lot of times it just feels like they're cutesifying it and making it seem 'oh so approachable and cute' or edgy.
No. 387788
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is anyone else going to this event? it seems cool.
>https://www.gallerynucleus.com/gallery/699/exhibition>>386592just a few basic tricks; selfies along with her character attracts a broader audience, posting photos with art supplies though it was painted digitally, and constant promos from friends. if youre mentally ill and in a country with good disability you can easily do that all day for 5 years without work or uni interfering
No. 387801
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>>387791You don't go to new art things in LA do you? None of them are "illustrators", they're independent freelance character designers. It isn't the size or the background details that get the gallery spot, its quantity and style consistency. They all make a lot of the same thing, and those things can all be displayed together cohesively and sold and reprinted. of course the contemporary art industry depends almost solely upon networking and beauty.
No. 387802
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>>387801>You don't go to new art things in LA do you? It may shock you you, but not everyone lives in LA. And I’m part of the contemporary art scene within my own home town, which is pretty highly regarded globally, and yeah - illustrations made by the likes of Meyoco or Sibylline would never get a gallery spot, unless it’s a small independent gallery. I’m not sure what you’re on about if you think the contemporary art world is made up of illustrations like theirs, maybe the illustration industry but definitely not the contemporary art industry.
Also, ‘freelance character designers’ are still illustttors because they produce illustrations, lmao. You’re acting like you know what you’re talking about when you clearly don’t. The artist you posted even stated that she’s an illustrator in her bio.
No. 387809
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>>387802I'm absolutely sure she would use the label towards marketing her skill as a freelancer, but as an online brand she isn't illustrating anything. she designs. Its easy to conflate them but creating visuals for concepts/stories/brands which already exist is one thing and character design, drawing cute girls for nothing, is another. this isn't an "illustration" of anything, its a drawing which meyoco designed solely from her own imagination.
I doubt your city is as integral to the art industry as mine, but the system here has far more facets than "high global regard". most people don't actually know anything about the most critically acclaimed or highly paid painters and designers right now.
>>387804its a mouthful but in the art directing world it is sometimes necessary to make distinctions like that when its too broad to just say artist lmao. a few "illustrators" may be able to do "character design" or "concept illustration art" or "academic portrait painting" or "cute girl drawings" but in reality those people are making vastly different works for different things. it depends upon each job and company.
No. 387812
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>>387809Is your only apparent qualification that you know better than others the fact that you happen to live in LA, anon
Even in the thumbnail for the exhibition the other two are so underwhelming in comparison
No. 387818
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>>387812I'm an assistant designer for an insta brand, I'm interning at a museum, my first degree is in art administration, and my second will be in design and art history. I am qualified enough to make shitposts on lolcow lmao.
You can't analyse all of their works with a pic in which the director just chose a blue oceanic theme, but I agree that that thumbnail sucks. They shouldve made the theme "cute girl in white negative space" for more accurate comparisons.
No. 387829
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Alright, so, can anyone tell me what type of art this is called? Don‘t say tkmiz because I want to see if others draw the same like her them him idk. I‘ve seen this art style long before he or she did it. But never knew it‘s name. Pls don‘t say moe blob because it won‘t show me this style.
No. 387832
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>>387818That’s a sketch though, still not an accurate representation as she does a lot of more finalised pieces.
And I wasn’t actually asking for your questions so there’s no need for you to swing your dick around on anon, I was musing on the fact that right from the get go you tried to discredit what I said purely because I don’t live in LA - I’d gather that the vast majority of anons here don’t and that doesn’t somehow mean that they can’t have an opinion on galleries
You’re not gonna change my mind that Heikala is ahead of the other two
No. 387858
>>387829its oekaki or nemu
>>387832idc about your opinion lmao my point was that they're all equal enough in styles to be displayed together. in LA absolutely anyone with the right friends can exhibit in "millennial" galleries, they arent exclusive as you think. reading comprehension.
>>387844calarts is known to be pretty shit for everyone outside of animation. the only reason to go is for the great connections/recommendations, otherwise theres otis, oxy, cca, etc. even some UCs are decent for cartoonists.
No. 387859
>>387829its oekaki or nemu
>>387832idc about your opinion lmao my point was that they're all equal enough in styles to be displayed together. in LA absolutely anyone with the right friends can exhibit in "millennial" galleries, they arent exclusive as you think. reading comprehension.
>>387844calarts is known to be pretty shit for everyone outside of animation. the only reason to go is for the great connections/recommendations, otherwise theres otis, oxy, cca, etc. even some UCs are decent for cartoonists.
No. 387866
>>387844I've been seeing a few artists say that all they really got out of art school was connections, but they kind of blow it off like that doesn't mean anything. Idk. It kind of feels like they don't realize that those connections are everything, and they wouldn't be where they are without them. But that could just be me following the wrong people.
I don't even think that anyone should go to art school, I know I wouldn't, but I do think people need to be aware of how up their own asses the art industry is and that if they truly want an in, they'll probably have to put a lot of money into it in some way. But not a lot of established artists seem willing to admit that.
No. 387867
>>387866samefag, but I just want to clarify that
>I know I wouldn't just means that I don't see my future in the industry, not trying to look down on anyone who does/goes to art school. That sounded really snotty, and I didn't mean it that way at all.
No. 387884
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Why do so many people race bend for the draw this in your style tag, it really gives me the shits. Changing the race or ethnicity of a character isn’t ‘style’ it’s often either virtue signalling or inability to draw anyone nonwhite
No. 387898
>>387884what character is this?
from what series?
No. 387899
>>387868I think this is the case too. Especially established artists on Twitter, just love to harp on about how hard they worked and just to 'have a good portfolio', and the ever-famous "I got most of my jobs off Twitter/social media! That's just how this works nowadays, isn't the internet great??"
Yeah great if you already have friends DMing you opens slots for positions. Meanwhile they retweet the table scraps of "____is hiring!"
The reality is those job listings are a formality and theyve probably already chosen someone from the inside like weeks before. It's so soul crushing and feels pointless because they encourage you to "connect" but then don't really ever intend to follow up on that.
Unless of course, again, you're already on the inside.
Otherwise, you can't sit with them. Even if your work is solid.
No. 387902
>>387788"…whose works have been inspired by Japanese manga, fashion, and popularized the floral/aquatic kawaii style in apparel, pins, and illustrations of characters/food/everyday objects."
This is so pretentious lmao These things have been popular drawing subjects long before meyoco came along.
Possibly OT but what do you guys think of the increasing number of artists creating self-made brands and marketing themselves around it? Do you think it's sustainable? Or will the market become too over-saturated eventually? I find a lot of them come off quite superficial and uninspired, in a 'everyone's doing it so I want to do it too' sort of way. Although, having your own established brand is the dream for a lot of artists, I'm sure.
No. 387915
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>>387884I guess racebending is just what they do
No. 388003
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>>387903>>387836xDD yeah even though it‘s clear they grasp the fundamentals of drawing. XD tip top tep kekzz
>>387858Thank you, but when i google "oekaki art" I can‘t get any results nor with nemu.
No. 388062
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>>387829I don't know any name, but I've also seen similar art. My best bet was just to follow artists like that on Pixiv and get recommended others.
Would you like me to link/name a few artists with that style, anon?
No. 388153
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What the actual fuck is Kasey going on about here. Sage because this isn’t really milk, but I don’t understand what she’s being passive aggressive about here
Why is she such a fucking autist
No. 388175
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completely off topic from what everyone else is talking about but I keep getting Ohuhu Vs (other alcohol marker brand) videos and I really wish they would die, I'm not even sure what the appeal in this type of video is? Lucid Neema has made like 10+ videos about them which is ridiculous because that means over 1/5th of her videos are shilling Ohuhu. If you can afford to buy "$200 LUXURY WATERCOLOR" you can afford to make videos on other things too y'know?
No. 388183
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wat
No. 388190
>>388187Eh I recognize and admire the scale of work it took him to make this but I wasn't ever a fan of it as a backdrop. It was too busy.
Whatever he replaces it with hopefully it's less "newgrounds-y/bug eyed", but I doubt it.
No. 388196
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>>388186That just looks like the art style of Nichijou. Which was the beginning of moeblob.
No. 388197
>>388186>>388196Btw, the 4chan ban images are usually of a character from Yotsuba&!, which is a manga by Kiyohiko Azuma who also did Nichijou. So it's just this person's art style you like, I guess.
But this is really off topic for this thread, so now that you have your answer we can move on.
No. 388208
>>388126Get blessed anon, i just saw this. Thank you so fucking much.
>388197>just this person‘sWho, the one I posted? If so, not true, because I don‘t care for original manga’s art the art on 4chan website art is based of.
>>388197Also i didn‘t see last sentence. I‘m sorry actually for bothering.
No. 388361
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>>388348Oh you mean this discussion, anon? This was from months ago so it's not really fresh milk. Crossed out everyone's name except monique cause everyone fuckin knows monique. She's a mod there.
And I mean, I guess you shouldn'tve been surprised at the way more popular youtube artists reacted negatively to your opinion. No one wants to be caught talking shit on other artists for fear of being called out. All the other smaller artists were following suit.
After Kasey came in, the discussion just dissolved into bell pepper bullshit.
No. 388368
>>388361I've tried several different art disc groups and they're usually divided in 3 categories with stuff like this
>youtuber/artists who draw only pretty disney-ish girls clubyou're not allowed to say anything critical ever
>smaller groups of cartoonistspeople talk about it, some agree and some disagree, pretty chill
>newgrounds e-celebseither complain about it in detail because muh contrarianism or defend pin-up artists because it gets their dick wet
No. 388374
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>>388372I was kicked out after 2 warnings actually.
I had 2 warnings, one for hate speech against religion and one for using the word retard (once in the group).
One of the mods then sent me a dm saying it was one more warning and I’m out and there was a but of back and fort ’cause no obe told me that I got the first warning.
Then eventully I said something like ”that’s retarded (this was dm’s btw, so rules no apply) but tbh I bet I was gonna get kicked out a lot earlier so it’s miracle I lasted this long”
Then the mod kicked me out. Lemme find a screenshot of this. Mod is the one with the photo.
No. 388383
>>388382Add 10 years to that and you start getting closer lol. And yea I can be an ass absolutely but if I decide to use free language outside of the group, isn't that my business?
Also I talked to the mod and yea I was unjustifiably banned so I can go back but I doubt I will.
No. 388448
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You're a liar. You did mention jews. I remember being skeeved out and blocking you after. I still have the screenshot from talking to my bf about it.
No. 388450
>>388448nta and I can see why you banned them (I would have too), but it's weird you specified the bit where they said Jewish people. They were going after Jehovah's Witnesses and all Christians too.
Weird double standard.
No. 388453
>>388409 >>388448
Just for the sake of transparency maybe don't make shit up
No. 388454
>>388448I’m talking about the original comment which was removed by your bf where I said almost word for word ”I hate religious people who kill their kids” and this never mentioned jews.
Also on that I clearly said ”jehovan withnesses. Could’ve been jews or christians too” never did I say jews spesifically kill their kids, I was strictly talking about religion overall and if you ask your bf, I’m sure he can confirm. You’re trying to make it into some anti semite debate which it isn’t and never was, since I was trashtalking ALL religions equally.
No. 388539
>>388511that girl painting she did looks horrible, lmao "ooh now that this is dried it actually looks pretty cool" sure girl, keep telling yourself that.
Hey Arteza maybe send art supplies to people that make them look good?
No. 388552
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A delusional meyoco stan accuses Qinni, an actually talented artist, of copying her. yikes lol
No. 388558
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>>388555Qinni's piece for reference.
No. 388568
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>>388558Can't say they aren't similar tho, if the controversy wasn't brought up, if this was posted with no context I'd say it could be Qinni's rendition of "draw this in your style challenge" of meyoco's drawing. These motifs of "witch girl with liquid witch flower hat magically brewing tea with floating liquid" marks on both drawings.
No. 388576
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>>388570Samefag, but found an example of what I mean - all the recent Meyoco stuff honestly reminds me of Koyamori's terrarium series except in poorly valued pastel palettes, and this series of hers dates back to 2013. I've been following Koyamori for around a decade now and can remember her earlier pieces that were similar in concept, so this is certainly nothing new and not something that can all be traced back to Meyoco - Meyoco just made it mainstream tbh
No. 388593
>>388571Can you not post daily sketches or something instead? Hell, 80% of the stuff I post is sketches or WIPs, the only finished stuff I post are commissions or the occasional personal piece. I'm not a huge artist by any means but I have a small dedicated following that seems happy enough with what I upload, but then again it's just a hobby for me.
I guess it really depends on what sort of art you do as well - fan art or mainstream communities will eat up less polished work, but if your stuff is totally original it's hard to get noticed unless everything is a masterpiece.
No. 388602
>>388593I’m part of a decently niche community and only post original work, and I post sketches every now and then which people seem to enjoy it, but I still feel a huge amount of pressure for it to be regular which takes away a lot of the enjoyment. I’m doing this career wise more so than just a hobby so that may pile onto the stress tbh
But every time gain more followers it’s a double edged sword because on one hand it means it’s the end goal, but on the other it just means more expectant people.
No. 388613
>>388602I was in the same dilemma until I decided to just take it at my own pace, cause everything I forced myself to draw just for the sake of posting wasn't up to my own expectations and I felt like I wasn't really progressing in terms of art.
Personally, now I post less often but I try post higher quality works that I enjoy making, not what I think my followers want to see, and it's been working out for me! I don't gain followers as fast anymore but I get more comments than before. It's nice! Also, beware of burn out, anon! Sorry if this didn't help haha.
anyway since we're on the topic, does anybody else feel weird about posting WIPs?
I personally don't like posting them cause I feel like the final piece would have less of an impact, so I usually post WIPs only after I've posted the final up. But I can understand that people enjoy following the process of a piece being made, so maybe it would be worthwhile to do it once in a while, hmm.
No. 388615
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No. 388620
>>388571Honestly social media is ultimately what you make of it. I'd assume that since you feel obligated to post everyday you probably do have a some sort of goal, say obtain a fanbase that can help you to live off of art?
If this is the case the advice is to just stop and draw when you want what you want, because if you're already exhausted, would you be able to do that years for now? New drawings everyday for the next 30 years say?
And if you're not trying to make a living and just post because you feel you have to, then you just need to take step back and realize there's different ways to find enjoyment in art than social media.
Social media is ultimately cancer, it traps you in and makes you believe it's so important when it really isn't. You don't have to play the numbers game to get popular, it's easier if you do but just by drawing good art when you do draw or at least art with some charm to it, the following will come and those people won't be minding if you don't post everyday, same with what you already have. We all want our stuff to be seen but if you start to take the amount of likes or views too personally, you'll end up with nothing but a lot of hurt. Even if you did grow constantly that grow would eventually hit it's peak and stop and then you're fucked. So the faster you can pull breaks on that, the better.
I used to be there and honestly learning to just enjoy art for arts sake and not care about how it's received online was the best thing I could've done to myself. I recommend.
No. 388768
>>388663It's shitty, but also the fact that YouTubers really don't earn as much as people think like.
Sponsorships are just free products to review. They don't pay you to make the video or the amount of time you spend filming, editing, making the artwork, etc. and on top of that, from the ads, there is like a 45/55 split so YT/Google takes 45% of whatever is made from the ads which contribute to people shoving in as many as possible to make up for it. You can get roughly 1 buck per thousand views assuming that someone clicks on the ads and you only get paid if someone watches for five or thirty minutes IIRC.
So yeah it's shitty to shove that many ads into a short video, but it's shittiness brought on by the shittiness of the platform. Because google/YT takes such a large portion of it, it just contributes.
i imagine beauty gurus are better off the artists because there are so many more beauty related ads opposed to anything to put into an artist video.
No. 388835
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>>388832Now pile on top of that patreon + cons + red bubble + sponsorships + her husbands income
It’s not like she’s struggling by any means.
No. 388837
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>>388835Samefag, but am I the only the one who finds it weird when a reward is something like a discord? Like oh, I get to pay to have the absolute privilege of speaking to you? Amazing, definitely worth my hard earned money. Interacting with your audience regularly is part of the job description as a social media entertainer/celebrity, it’s not something you get to make extra bank off of by making it exclusive
No. 388884
>>388866I listened to the Melanie Martinez vid and thought that her voice was so shaky because she was affected by talking about the allegations- but no, she constantly talks as if she's two steps away from a panic attack. Really off putting. Can't even have her as bg because her voice makes me feel bad.
And "young person getting into it" Isn't she like 27 or 28 and been drawing for a long time? Hardly what I'd call a new artist just "getting into it".
No. 388948
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Does anyone here knows who aoiogata & kyriiemei? They are a couple artist who are kinda popular in pixiv & instagram. Their art style looks so similar, it has been bothering me for a very long time. I remember kyriiemei posted somewhere that aoiogata taught her tricks but I mean she should've just discover her own way of drawing instead of constantly copying her boyfriend's techniques?
No. 388999
>>388948I'd love it if this was just a case of someone pretending to be his own girlfriend.
But it's really not that weird. My best friend watches me draw all of the time so he tries to emulate a lot of what I do with my paintings.
No. 389007
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>>389002theyre a real couple tho…
No. 389043
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Yay, more Arteza..
they’ve already sent stuff to Leigh before for her to review, just how much money is their marketing team dumping into this campaign. It’s bizarre, they’re a kids and student grade art supply line why are they pushing their products so damn hard
No. 389081
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>>389041their reply on their Amazon listing is so confusing. they keep insisting that it's a ~premium affordable~ sketchbook but how the fuck is it premium when it's not even archival?
No. 389312
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>>389060I just consider it weird because you don’t really see other student and kids quality brands shill their shit as hard as Arteza is, all the while they try to tout it as ‘premium’
Cause, you know, nothing screams PREMIUM quite like a $19AUD set of round watercolour cakes that comes with their own shitty brush.
It bothers me how they’re allowed to mislead customers like this and how the people sponsored by them allow their young audience to be manipulated and profited off of by such a shitty company/product
It’s like if Crayola suddenly started trying to push the idea that they’re premium artist quality when everyone knows damn well it’s for kids. Arteza isn’t even tertiary student quality, it’s made for young kids and high schoolers at best
No. 389319
>>388852I got this sketchbook and I haaaated it. Don't be fooled. The book itself is well made/sturdy, but when I got mine there was a big crease in the hardcover. The paper is absolute shit tier. If you check their official website or video ad, one of their biggest selling points is how 'convenient it is' to take with you, and how 'hurr, it's the perfect size for sharing on INSTAGRAM! Use our hashtag!"
It's not the only 8x8 square sketchbook on the market, and there are other options that are better. Yet youtubers just continue to push cheap shit on people who might not know better.
No. 389322
>>389312 Arteza feels like a brand that just came out of nowhere one day and now they're everywhere. None of their stuff is really 'premium' but I guess by some sort of regulation, they can't exactly call their stuff 'artist grade' either.
It's like how you can't call a 'juice drink' 'juice' unless it has a certain percentage of that fruit in it. It can still be GOOD but what you'd be drinking is mostly filler.
Also, I'm fairly certain their stuff is made in China, even though it says 'made in america', but it's really just packaged here probably. I wished someone getting all these free supplies would research more into what the hell this company is about and where they're from really.
No. 389438
>>389319By the by if you
are looking for a nice square sketchbook, Bee Paper makes one in 6x6 and 9x9. They're not hardbound, tho, and they can get kind of expensive, the 9x9 is usually around $20US, but they hold wet media pretty well.
No. 389462
>>389312I believe Crayola did start making "premium" type products a while ago, though I haven`t seen them around much and from what I've heard, they're either equal to or barely better than their regular cheap stuff. (It`s also super over-priced if that's the case, since the "premium" 50 colored pencils are like $20-25 while their normal ones are $5-10.)
Premium is just a word used to make kid and student grade supplies seem better than they are. Honestly, even if it`s not half bad on its own, you can still find similar stuff to Arteza that`s competitively priced and doesn't use shady marketing techniques like the constant supposed "super discounts!" on Arteza's website. On most websites that cater specifically to art supplies like Blick, it states whether the supply is actually artist or student grade and doesn't do quite as much "dressing up" with the product description. Some stuff is cheaper on Amazon than on other places, but I don't trust their desc or reviews usually.
No. 389623
>>389583I’ve never really felt the need to tell someone why I’m unsubscribing personally, but then again I don’t really form attachments to youtubers
Is this something people feel the need to do often? But I do agree, there is this big fuss kicked over whenever someone is doing less than kissing another artists ass, I feel like we have created the epitome of the snowflake millenial stereotype that baby boomers like to shit on within the art community - a bunch of young adults who are incapable of taking any sort of criticism or something remotely negative without turning that molehill into a mountain
No. 389667
>>389583I don't see the point in telling someone you're unsubscribing unless you're a close friend/someone they engage with a lot, or they only have 20 subscribers. If they're a bigger YouTuber, the only thing telling them is going to achieve is making them briefly feel bad. Informing them comes across like you're trying to make yourself seem more important than you are. Why would this person with hundreds of thousands of subs care if one person leaves?
Seems like you want to deliver a slap in the face on the way out, but no one's going to care and it'll reflect poorly on you. Just unsub and move on.
No. 389688
>>389583Yea the only time I would see why you would tell someone why you unsubbed from them is when it's something that is say resurrecting behavior on their part, starting to get really stuck-up, treating fans poorly or lying to their faces or then at the face of some sort of scandal like them scamming people or doing some other type of shady shit. But if it's just you growing out of their content and just not feeling it anymore, then it can just come off as self-important.
Say an example "hi, I used to really like your videos but I have to say I'm unsubbing. I feel like your videos have become really rushed and only exist to make a buck out of it. I think it also shows on the way you treat your fans, only speaking about them like they're nothing but a wallet to you"
VS.
"Hi, I like your videos and I think you're a good artist but I think you're wasting your talent. Instead of doing these stylized illustrations I think it would've been better for you to keep on doing more realistic art, since I think they looked better than your new art, so sadly I'm going to have to unsub."
Now these are both totally fine, and saying to someone that you feel their attitude or art has lost touch is totally within your rights. But if someone starts to like different stuff than what you first subscribed for, it might be pointless to just go out your way to express that, because tastes change and it's totally normal. It also might put the artist in awkward position if they feel like they have to acknowledge your feedback because what can you say other than "uum ok. Sorry you feel that"
No. 389775
to clarify, 'subscribe to pewdiepie' is currently being used by a lot of white supremacists as a meme. however before that, it was just a regular meme. it made me worry that jazz is a nazi. in reality,
>>389767 hit the nail on the head lol
No. 389784
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Meyoco is by no means the one who came up with this style, but I feel like she really popularised it on insta and I’m getting sick of all the shitty copy cats - they all have really bad colour theory and don’t understand what it is that makes her dull art still nice and interesting to look at. Like, objectively Meyoco does boring art but at the end of the day we can’t deny that it’s eye catching and nice to look at.
All of the people that try to cash in on it always fall short and I feel like it’s mostly the colours because they don’t think beyond ‘pastels are cute!!’
No. 389789
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>>389788I said myself it’s boring, but that doesn’t mean it still isn’t eye catching. She knows what she’s doing colour and composition wise
Although judging by her newest piece I guess she’s gone downhill, I haven’t looked at her profile in a while
No. 389810
>>389746I fucking lost it when she swatched magenta. "It's like this beautiful color, it's some kind of red"
Didn't they teach her how colors work at school?? Magenta is a primary….
No. 389826
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I know sometimes Instagram doesn’t show you posts. But sometimes accounts aren’t being used daily or have been abandoned. Maybe people don’t care to like your art. I know I don’t double click on every post on insta. It’s kinda annoying to keep these big accounts complain about their following not being engaged. When I know some of these artist don’t engage with their following.
No. 389836
>>389826I hate when they whine like this. Learning the algorithm and making the most of it is part of being big on social media, obviously she’s doing something wrong. You never see small accounts whining like this.
And a lot of big instagrammers do tend to start neglecting their accounts once they get a bit big, then these same dumbasses are shocked that their numbers start to dwindle.
No. 389878
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Has anyone else been getting bombarded by this post? All the artists I follow keep sharing it, and I can’t help but feel than whenever an artist makes a post like this they’re almost shaming and guilting their audience for not doing more, as though they’re entitled to their money for posting content on a free public platform.
*Warning: here is the cold hard truth -
I want to start off by thanking you all for being a part of my art journey! 💕 you are all so very precious and been so kind!
I've been working full time with this for a little over a year and I haven't struggled as bad as I'm struggling now.
I love my job but lately I've been trying so hard to make ends meet and I've burned out completely.
I kept telling myself that I will be enough as long as I work hard and keep trying but it hasn't gotten me anywhere other than made me exhausted.
I've tried to get back on track financially by accepting way too many commissions, having sales and paint small originals, and it wasn't enough, everything I've earned from that went for bills and new ones are already coming.
I'm so tired and I feel guilty for being tired, I feel like I should be doing more but there isn't more hours in the day nor energy.
I wanted to succeed so badly, I still do. I want to be okay, but I'm not.
I'm ashamed for encouraging so many to persue art as a career when I already hit rock bottom.
I knew it wouldn't be easy and I know I've done the best I can, I'm not giving up but I'm finally putting my pride aside and I'm asking for help.
This job is so personal and if I'm not okay my work won't be either.
This has been worth it, but I have to accept that my health is important too.
Thank you for reading this far.
If you want to help out here are different ways to do so:
• Share this, like or/and comment. • Get something from my shop ( etsy @ kasvei )
• Buy a coffee ( Ko-fi @ kasvei )
Thank you for your time ,
- Ingrid Alexandra*
No. 389883
>>389878>I'm not giving up but I'm finally putting my pride aside and I'm asking for help. She doesn't seem to be hiding the fact that she's directly asking for money, not just venting. But I also find things like this kind of tasteless. So many artists beg for donations/commissions because their profession isn't profitable. If you're struggling to the point you have to BEG people for help, maybe you need to put your efforts into something more profitable and less volitile?
And it's all fine to say that people don't have to donate to you, but pulling at peoples heartstrings like this is effective, and you're essentially manipulating empathetic people to give you money because of your personal life choices.
To each their own, but these kind of posts have never sat well with me.
No. 389885
>>389878so, your job in its current state that you currently have is not sustainable, is physically and mentally exhausting, to the point that all seems lost. you know what would fix all this, instead of begging strangers who clearly didnt want your product in the first place for money?
getting an actual job.
fucken novel concept, having to work two jobs to make ends meet. not like that is a rarity. if your passion isnt making you money, find something that does so you can do the passion without fear of, idk, being homeless or starving.
No. 389888
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here's another one for you guys
No. 389944
>>389938It’s because all of the popular youtubers genuinely don’t know what they’re talking about. They have the technical knowledge of a preschooler yet feel like they have any authority over the matter, and anyone who does actually know what they’re talking about is offputting with either their hoarding or their really dry personalities so they don’t manage to garner a large audience.
Why popular youtubers insist of pulling misinformation from the deepest crevices in their asses I’ll never know, other than clicks does it give them some sort of weird sense of superiority to be pushing their opinions on their young and impressionable viewers? Because they rarely know very much about even their mediums of choice other than the price tag
No. 390006
>>389966>>389885fucking amen. these begging posts are just fucking entitlement. I work full time and also make and sell art. sure I'd love to be a full time artist. who wouldn't? but the idea that these shitty artists who all produce the EXACT SAME boring-ass pretty-girl stuff anyway are entitled to not have to do anything else to pay their bills - oh my god it's infuriating.
all this Amanda Palmer 'just ask people for money and they'll give it to you' Patreon fucking bullshit argh
No. 390051
>>390023Ive seen a few artists could considering gumroad as an alternative. Any anons have experience with it?
>>390006God yes exactly. It makes me so angry and entitlement is exactly why. I work as a server part time with my art and seeing these brats on YouTube or IG begging for money to make ends meet because they are struggling to same face a vapid painting once a week, like how have they become this lacking in self awareness? Get a fucking 15 hour a week job ffs!
No. 390307
>>390291Me too anon
Me too
No. 390317
>>390291Didn’t realise this is even an issue. Granted I’m not part of any fandom, but this seems like such a dumbass thing to get upset over. I know people have a tendency to chimp out over ships, but specifically because they’re NOT lgb..?
I also honestly just don’t see the appeal of headcanons though when characters already have a fleshed our story/personality, seems retarded to create headcanons and then fling shit at others because they don’t align with yours
No. 390356
>>390317I've been in lots of fandoms and Ive never seen anyone get mad about someone only having het ships personally…
Does anon mean they are being flamed or just not getting engagement on social media?
No. 390563
>>390546You should absolutely charge for revisions (unless it's a real error, like an extra finger).
My rule is the first 2 small revisions are free, if it's just a little tweak, but I won't change anything large like a body position for free because I send my customer the initial sketch to agree to first, so they have already approved the pose etc.
Also sorry if this is obvious but make sure that you're not sending over all these versions before you get paid. I send images with giant 'preview' watermarks all over them if I want an opinion on something before they pay.
No. 390628
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>>390612Probably shit like this. It’s obviously not a sketch, but not fleshed out/polished enough to be a illustration either, it’s just a lazy inbetween. Labelling things sketches gets a lot of clicks and gives the illusion that it’s something you can shit out in say like 20 minutes or something
No. 390635
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>>390628>>390628Why are you posting this artist? She never mentioned it being a sketch and didn't even use tags.
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>>390635It was in the comments
No. 390676
>>390662I feel the same. Instagram highly encourages people to chat with their audience regularly too, and that fucks me over because of my truly debilitating autism. What I've heard most people do in this state is get so good that people won't mind your silence as much, but it's obviously not easy.
>>390374I'm bi, but it's good to know. I should have figured i was making content for the wrong audience and looking in the wrong places much earlier. Thicker skin would also do me some good, there's always gonna be someone angry no matter who you shipfag.
No. 390719
>>390570Make it relevant to your own pricing and time spent. My commissions are run cheap, only between $15-30, so my additional revisions are only $5. I found that charging any small amount has pretty much ended any revision requests, which was the aim for me because whilst I find revisions easy and quick to do I knew I was just being taken advantage of by picky commissioners who didn't know what they wanted, but I don't mind doing the occasional edit for cheap. The only time someone has asked for a massive change I just told them they had already approved the sketch, and they could commission an additional piece if they had a new idea.
>>390688I hope you regularly post about struggling with these kinds of social interactions enough that even a recent follower would know, or else you risk alienating your audience. People want to get their (you), but they also like to be protective relatable socially awkward types, I imagine it's harder to win back an audience once you create that first kind of anti-social image.
No. 390966
>>390962It's a general art salt discussion thread lmao there's been plenty of technique/business discussion
>>390719Good advice. I know it sounds crass to encourage someone to make their anxiety part of their "brand" but it will give your followers insight. I do recommend just hitting the like button on comments when you can tho
No. 391134
>>391122I really don't get the pretentious hatred of fan art lol. I mean of course they have thousands of followers…? 'Oh hey look a fandom I follow and a character I like, I think I will follow this artist instead of that boring one painting perfect renders of fish and bridges and dead faced perfect women.'
It's pretty self explanatory anon. Most people on the internet are not interested in art for arts sake.
No. 391233
>>391122I don’t know, they’re typically in one of two camps: they’re doing it because they genuinely enjoy the media to devote so much time to it, or the more likely reason being that they know fanart gets a lot of views so they exploit that. Either way they both end up with the same problem; if they do anything other than fanart their following instantly drops.
Plus fanart is usually still really boring with generic stylisations and stiff poses with no expressions. I don’t have an issue with fanart unless it’s made for profit, people can fuck right off with that - they’re riding off of someone else’s coattails, majority of their sales wouldn’t have happened if not for the established franchise because typically people don’t actually give a shit about the artist themselves.
No. 391234
>>391233You sound butt hurt tbh.
I like fan comics and will gladly pay premium for them and if you think the artist drawing doujin are 'riding coat tails' while spending hundreds of hours drawing an au with characters that already exist then you can stew over it all you want they still get my money unabashedly.
No. 391264
>>391234How am I butt hurt? Fan artists that make doujins are a very small minority, majority of those making profit will do stuff like prints or buttons at anime/pop culture conventions, feel free to spend your money on fan comics but that doesn’t change the fact that most people just buy the stuff because of the franchise and not the artist
I’d also like to add that in the majority of countries it’s also illegal to make profit off of other people’s intellectual property without their permission, so there you go. These companies just don’t bother going after artists unless it’s to make a statement
No. 391316
>>391264fanart being legal doesnt matter in the long run. if companies started going after fan artists to try and stop the creation of fan works, there would be a sizable negative reaction toward the company. in fact, many have embraced the creation of fanworks and use it for promotion (Blizzard did this with the cancer research mercy skin, Bioware and Bethesda encourage fanwork creation and use it in their ads, etc). some companies know that their product can sometimes thrive on the fanworks, redbubble is a perfect example for this. company says no fan art allowed, yet fanart is one of the biggest buying staples on the site.
as far as buying the product for the fandom, not the artist, i'd disagree to an extent. sure, maybe the fandom is what motivated them to buy, but they arent going to buy someone's 3rd grade naruto fanart, they want an actual work that is worth the money. if the art style is unappealing, then it wont be purchased.
No. 391351
>>391264>most people just buy the stuff because of the franchise and not the artist even if this was true, money and money, and it's not really the fault of the artist that fanart tends to be very profitable. if it's between being a starving artist to ~make a statement~ or doing fanart for a fandom you genuinely enjoy, the latter wins out.
there area also plenty of artists who do their own original work. and yeah, it's harder for them to get noticed or popular, but it still happens. i would say the majority of people who make art for communities they don't even like are a small percentage.
No. 391359
>>391232
>60 yearsLol
Anyway I think a couple of you are arguing two extremes and not really getting anywhere. No one group had "more passion" than the other, you're just looking at it based on what interests you more. I'd be more biased towards original work because when I think of original work i think of something like a comic project or whatever, not the sameface pretty girls all over IG. Both have their merits and there's tons of artists who, if they're lucky, don't get pigeonholed into fan art. Once they start moving on to their own ideas some people actually do stick around. Of course they'll lose some folks but that's just the nature of fan art communities, they're capricious.
The only thing I'd say is that some folks who started off with fan art, ran in those circles for a long time, establishing themselves first before moving on to their personal projects.
Personally I think that's a sizeable chunk of time they used that could've been just to make their own stuff. But not everyone is out here trying to make personal art. Sometimes it just legit is for fun. And if their fun is fan art then that's cool.
No. 391375
>>391316I didn’t say fanart itself is illegal, making PROFIT off of others intellectual property is. I also stated that majority won’t go after small artists that do this, but it’s still a shitty practice
Especially when people do it to indie franchises like that huge thing that happened with Undertale a few years back.
I have absolutely no issue with people creating fanart, as I stated in my original post, I purely have an issue with people making money off of other people’s success from an ethical standpoint. I’m not sure why this is apparently such a controversial opinion to have, I’d be pretty fucking upset if I made a popular series/comic and then people went and made money off of it
>>391351I at no point said that making original artwork is a statement nor that people can’t succeed without selling fanart? I swear some of you guys misread things just so that you can argue
No. 391388
>>391375
>I’d be pretty fucking upset if I made a popular series/comic and then people went and made money off of it If it's that popular that other people are making money off it, you're probably making enough money off it yourself.
Society is built on money and you need it to live. Obviously if there's an easy way to get it, people will go the easy way.
No offense anon, but that statement comes off as weirdly selfish. A lot of these fan artists likely aren't making as much money as the popular series or comic creator already is. If they are, then I agree with you - sucks for the creator, and they should feel cheated. But I doubt this is the case most of the time. And even in this hypothetical situation, the creator honestly should know better than to give out free content when they know it can get stolen.
No. 391404
>>391388>No offense anon, but that statement comes off as weirdly selfishHow is it selfish? I can see where you’re coming from with a lot of your other points, but this makes no sense. In what way is it selfish to not want others to make money off of your hard work and success? It’s not like I’d be bitter because ‘oh, that’s money I could be earning!!’ it’s the fact that this is something I’d be slaving over, pouring hours upon hours of work into, marketing it, tweaking details and the like, and then someone comes along and with little to no effort (because let’s face it, even if it’s a doujinshi all of the foundations have been laid out for them) can come along and make money off of something I made into the success it is. And me being upset that someone is making money off of my ideas isn’t somehow taking food out of their mouths, there’s nothing stopping these people from just getting a regular job.
Again, I don’t have an issue with fanart itself, it’s just a massive fuck you to the creator to profit off of their labour even if you genuinely enjoy the franchise (obviously this is a much bigger issue when it’s an indie franchise than say something like Marvel). I’m beating a dead horse at this point so I’ll just leave it at that
No. 391460
>>391432>>391453I think it's totally do-able to have art as a career while also keeping yourself in shape. However, adding video editing to the mix, especially if you're also doing it yourself, is probably one of the reasons why their health is getting fucked up.
I've done both before for work/school at different times. Can't fucking imagine having to do both at the same time.
No. 391551
>>390962Noone cares that you don't care, you're not forced to read her posts
>>390957Tumblr may well be a dead platform but just searching "commissions" or "commissions open" there can lead you to a lot of examples, both of what to do and what to avoid
In a pinch you can also search the /cgl/ archives for artist alley threads, also /ic/ but they're usually too busy with repilled racebaiting or discussing which furry hentai Patreon artist is tracing to actually have useful discussions. Their drama isn't even interesting I stg.
>>391478>>391544>caring more about getting fat than the success of your artNGMI
Memes aside though I totally agree, this kind of thing is another reason why I think it's bad the way we encourage very disordered people into following their creative outlets as if creative work is somehow free from the same struggles of regular work. So many people think that they can follow the art dream into the sunset but instead end up with no work/life balance, isolated, without guaranteed long-term stability and and solely responsible for more labour than they would have had if they'd followed a 'normal' path. Unless they hit lucky, it takes a very proactive person to be a own boss successfully without running themselves into a ground.
No. 391654
>>391653I don’t think it’s her style that attracts kids as much as the whole 500 prompts series tbh, it’s predictable and kids like schedules they can rely on
Plenty of cartoonists have majority adult audiences, having a simple style doesn’t mean kids are gonna be drawn to you
No. 391693
>>391683Arteza has been brought up time and time again and we keep coming to the same conclusions:
A) yeah, we’re all fucking sick of seeing it everywhere
B) no, they’re not good quality
No. 391695
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Was browsing twitter and came upon ZodiacLord, who I'm pretty sure is an on/off youtuber?- Anyways I just want to say I am physically repulsed by the guy (girl?) on the left's close up face.
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>>391696Oh my god, yes! They’re almost always really fucking ugly compared to their white characters! Makes me cackle how in their attempts to not be racist they often end up being racist. Kinda reminds me of skits like pic
No. 391710
>>391695God I hate this. This is basically a caricature of a poc. Like they were trying way too hard. What's with the dead fish expression?
Also, iirc, zodiac lord is the one who roomed with Holly and twisteddisaster last yr at San Japan I think. Had I not seen the name I would've thought this was another ugly piece by twisted, but I have to remember she only does bust shots of characters lmao.
10/10 awful.
No. 391735
>>391731I occasionally listen to her for BG and that's all. I've also noticed this " oh i couldnt get my work done because of X!" mentality and it pisses me off. She likes to think she's in control but any small roadbump frustrates her enough to stop altogether."I was dog sitting!" Ok? You chose to do that in exchange for money. Like, I watched a vlog where she was complaining about how the people who hired her were messy and they didn't take proper care of their pans and I was flabbergasted at how ungrateful she was, mind you they left food for her- hell she said they BOUGHT food for her. "My father in law is a meanie!" She's had livestreams where she has complained about her Bipolar father in law like- you yourself said he has mental problems, he's set in his ways and not well mentally, expect people like that to be erratic? Also the fact she said that the fact he hurt his back,and considering he's an older guy that must have been debilitating, that it was karma for kicking them out of his house was just??? He probably said that in a manic episode, like dang sorry he was mean to you but don't feel smug about the old bipolar gay man getting hurt. "We were homeless!" She was living in her fiances grandparents garage with access to Wifi ,electricity, running water and all her necessities were met. As much as I don't like talking about creepshow art I respect her keeping to her schedule despite ACTUALLY being homeless, yknow living in a car and needing to use public facilities while having an actual job.
I dunno.
TwistedDisaster just seems like a bitchy passive aggressive californian chick who never had to depend solely on herself,so she doesn't understand how the world works. But she acts like she does. Wonder how she would react to actually having a 9 to 5 lmao.
"B-but boss I couldn't get my work done because the air conditioning was too warm and it irritated my nose-"
No. 391824
>>391721its not a reach if it is right.
ways to draw a poc character respectfully: wasabi from big hero 6, lana kane from archer, the entire Proud family, storm from x-men.
ways not to draw a poc character respectfully: this.
big lips and hair do not a character make, but how you apply said characteristics does ride that fine line between a valuable character design, and 1950s racist cartoon.
also, notice in the original image, the large lips are excluded in the side view full body, and are only drawn in the profile 3/4ths. this person is only drawing poc for brownie points, and using what they think these characters should look like, not how they actually do.
so no, calling this racist isnt 'reaching'.
No. 391849
>>391829OMFG. How many times do I have to sperg rant about this stupid cunt's entitlement. 'Oh but it sounds like living with him was terrible' OKAY? She is 25 fucking years old and she lived there for over a fucking year she didn't HAVE to she just refused to get a minimum wage job like she has for 8 fucking years post high school as she has been mooching off other people and living in their houses for free since the moment she became a legal fucking adult!!
Gee it sure is a coincidence that every single person who pays for her ends up the bad guy and there is ALWAYS a reason she can't do any actual work.
No. 391851
>>391849I’m honestly waiting for her to get a divorce and make a sketchbook storytime to the effect of ‘my ex husband was
ABUSIVE ?!?!’ but all it talks about is how she refused to pay for, like, groceries or some shit and he got sick of her shit.
No. 391875
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Oh we’re finally shitting on TwistedDisaster. I used to enjoy her videos as background noise but lately she’s been acting self entitled with her mediocre art and laziness. Old milk but her livestream with Holly talking about rape was so fucking uncomfortable, she’s been dick riding Holly for the views ever since San Japan.
No. 391944
>>391852You misinterpreted what you're replying to. I'm lolling because fan art is well beyond 60 years old.
But who's keeping count really.
The only time twisted is milky is when it's amplified around Holly. Although she is implied to be a witch or practice witchcraft, so her little 'karma' comment isnt far off from her normal bullshit, and like any other new age bullshitter, she's using the term 'karma' incorrectly.
She's such an entitled little brat who just sits around all day drawing adoptables and ranting about trivial shit literally everyone goes through on yt. She's only ever popular because she complains and because she's in Holly's orbit. Not because her art is any good or that she earned any of it on her own merit, but we all know that's not how the internet works.
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>>392168Eh, she’s just boring. As far as I know there’s absolutely nothing milky about her, just your average ‘pretty’ girl Instagram artist
No. 392403
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This is wrong on so many levels. The shoulder, neck, arms, hips. Did this guy ever saw a real human?
No. 392439
>>392408A thousand pardons, milady. Unfortunately I am just a first time offended so your quest for the real slim shady continues on.
>>392385What in the everloving FUCK is that makeup that TwistedDisaster slathered on her face? How could she think it looks even remotely good?
No. 392593
>>392385just- ignore the fact this looks like absolute shit, even if it did look good, the fact she is wearing it TO A WEDDING is beyond gross
i sure hope the wedding is either her own or themed cause this is NOT what you wear to a wedding. showing up with your emo headass, trying to be the anti-bride, fuck sake.
No. 392693
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>>392403It sucks how Ross is actually a decent artist, but he's pumping out so much content, hes becoming a lot like sakimichan. I mean, I cant complain because if I could make money with half assed art, I would. But I really miss his old stuff. The picture here is an artwork he did of his OC, before he become super popular.
No. 392694
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>>392693Samefag. Here is a recent picture of the same OC Ross did recently.
No. 392719
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>>392693Honestly compared to Michelle Hoefener, this isn't even what I'd consider bad (though it is indeed slowly going there).
Here's her work from 2011.
No. 392720
File: 1553946314101.jpg (1.49 MB, 1469x1086, tailii.jpg)
>>392719Versus 2017.
Honestly though michelle's whole gallery is absolutely horrifying.
No. 392728
>>392724Lmao he wishes he earned millions a month on patreon. Now that was fucking wild, she must be set for life. I am utterly bamboozled as to how she managed to gain so much financial success, like I know people loved her work but it’s such an insane amount of money
I’m not sure how much she earns these days though
No. 392729
>>392719>>392720Fuck anon, that's actually pretty sad. She regressed pretty hard.
I mean, she could've continued with her pretty girls in her 2011 style …
No. 392732
>>392728I saw sakimi has a whole thread on pull
Her sameface is so bad i'm pretty sure she just has brushes with her most used expressions and stamps them on a la holly
No. 392743
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>>392720I always had a thing for Michelle Hoefener's older (this is like 2009 era) insanely clean pencil work. Her newer stuff is so blah and messy. Did she go pro and lose all her soul or something?
No. 392906
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>>392385Apparently her husband did her makeup, which is such a strange choice when you're going to a wedding.
No. 392930
>>392910She posted all of these images of her on her way to the wedding 22 hours ago. Seems like she posted them all at the same time, so I don't see how she would have gotten so many comments within one hour of posting that tweet and instagram story about her appearance that she felt the need to "save face".
This screenshot was also from a discord with less than two dozen people in it, so it's a pretty shitty place to be posting things to save face in.
No. 392992
>>392985It is perfectly fine to let your husband just for fun or for a video/social media content, but actually leaving the house looking like a clown really makes me question her sanity.
Also I think it is so trashy of her to attend a wedding looking like this. I know there is no way she will outstage the bride with this look, but people sure as hell will be looking at her more than the main lady. I would be so embarassed if one of my (mentally functional) friends showed up looking like that on my special day.
No. 392994
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gonna just chuck this here since this is the only active artfag thread and honestly we should just make this the art general next time around
Well, now I know just how goofy people would look if they actually had 4 fingers like I draw them. So many things that look cute in art don’t irl, like red noses/cheeks and yellow raincoats. Sage because obviously not salt or anything but I always find it interesting to be confronted with just how goofy stylistic choices would look irl
No. 393011
>>392994I will defend yellow raincoats with my life
This hand is disturbing though, somehow reminds me of a chicken foot?
No. 393035
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>>392994Samefag but this is what I mean - it looks so appealing in drawings and is disappointingly not on actual people, even if the person themselves is cute
No. 393040
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No. 393189
>>384460Sauce for the gif
Hope you don't mind anon
No. 393223
>>384456I've always wondered what people get out of copying another artist's style to the T like this… it's one thing to be inspired by their art but what's the point in replicating it to the point where it's hard to differentiate between the two? And then acting all surprised/upset when people call them out for it.
I do think that 'style copying' is a grey area and plenty of people have different opinions on what is ok and what isn't, but this is a straight up rip off down to the colours/the way she draws the flowers/the little diamonds around the drawing. Surely a fellow artist would understand how sucky it would be to have someone rip off your work like that.
No. 393230
>>393223I personally think style theft is a petty complaint spoken often by people who have nothing else to offer. Like if the only thing that makes you "unique" as an artist is your style, then there's something you're doing wrong.
Only times where I think it matters is when you not just copy the artist style but their whole art identity, meaning concept, characters, angles, themes, etc. This shows heavily when you think of say sakimichan and all of her copycats who not just copy her style but draw exactly what she draws in the exact same way as she does.
People worried about style theft are more worried about other people doing what they do but better than they do. Even with sakimi, while all her copies are getting really annoying as they're everywhere, they're still just copies who never live up to the original. But there's many artist to whom their style is all they got without any other outstanding skill and losing that would mean death to them.
No. 393242
>>393240I think you're misunderstanding what I said on purpose here as I think I was being very clear that I was talking about drawing/art style in raw sense of the word. Like yea all things you mentioned are technically part of your style true but when we as break art apart into categories, style is usually it's own category from things like subject and composition. Like for example, you can have unoriginal style but unique compositions or bland style with great subject matter. When people talk about style theft, it tends to focus specifically on visual drawing style, that's what I'm focusing on here too.
Having just a good looking style with good coloring and linework (or brushwork however you like it), alone isn't enough to keep you on top of your game. Like for example you can have 2 artist, both with identical art styles but one has great compositions with knowledge on perspective and use of light while the other one just has the pretty style with no other notable skills. Hope you got it this time.
No. 393259
>>393248You're confusing stylistic choices with a vision here. I could say for example to imagine a child in a swing and everyone will get the image to their head but every single image will look different from person to person. There's no need to be satisfied with the first image either, you can actually compose that entire scene and that's a skill no one can just come and take from you. If you had 2 people with same style making same aesthetic choices, this vision would still be unique between the 2 and the images would turn out different.
I can draw a crystal in the exact same style I've always drawn, with same lineweight, same colors and same shading but the shape and size can still be unique but that's only if you're willing to make it unique.
No. 393721
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What do guys think of teakip? Her attitude (i dont care im using female pronouns, no ones gonna convince me that thats male) with people asking her about her gender, which is reasonable because she doesnt even make an effort to look like a man anymore, she gets very hostile and aggresive with replies regarding those
Atleast her art us different from all those instathots, i like that her art is very expressive but some of the colors she uses nowadays are just eye bleeding which is just a turn off for me
No. 393727
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>>393725Wow trying to stop violence by using violence
Transgender people sure are peaceful!
I do have more screenshots of this behaviour of hers but im not sure if other anons want to see
No. 393735
>>393725Oh fuck right off with this, majority of the trannies that get beaten are either prostitutes or they instigated it by either a) lying to a sexual partner about their sex resulting in rape or b) they were starting shit with someone because of their horrid cluster b personality disorder
People don’t just beat them up because of muh transphobia, if anything it would be homophobia because they read as gay.
No. 393777
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>>393757>actually using the word terf in derogatory way Has there been a wave of newfags? Been seeing anons throwing around terf recently and reeeing about tranny rights
No. 393929
>>393909Not the anon you are talking to, bur i post a lot here and respect transgender people and the others in the lgbtq+ community. I wouldnt bother trying to change your mind though because thats a waste of everyones time so can we all move on?
Is this person an artist? I haven’t heard about them before. Anything milky ? I dont consider identifying as trans as milk, especially on an art thread (the art world -drana, visual arts, and performing arts, are filled with people that are lgbtqa+ so thats really not milky.)
No. 393950
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>>393929Honestly like anons aren’t even referring to his art, just him being trans. Like we get it you hate trannies.
Anyways here’s his art and it’s average. It doesn’t look like someone whose 20 made it and the color choices scream your typical queer artist.
No. 393959
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>>393956Twitter is okay. Unless you already have a following you're not going to grow, tags are hard to navigate and twitter compresses the hell out of images. Doesn't mean you can't post on it though, it's excellent for interactions but you should keep your media tab clean. If it's full of reaction images, people won't bother to look deeper.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Have a pixiv, instagram, twitter, tumblr, artstation, etc to cover your weak points because not every art platform is perfect, everything from your style, ability and interaction frequency is going to vary output in each platform.
No. 393984
>>393976
>Also industry pros & recruitment:… So we liked your portfolio full of fan art, -
would you like a job?
said no one ever
No. 393985
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The comments are gone now for some reason
No. 394203
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>>394173I knew her audience isn’t the brightest but..
No. 394275
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>References another artwork for a pose
>Art is of the same character as OG art in the same alternate costume.
>Doesnt expect it to be blatantly obvious to fans of the character/series?
You can’t just take any art and “draw this in your style”
No. 394305
>>394275What's the problem here? It's not traced, details are changed … I don't like the style but it's not even that bad.
>You can’t just take any art and “draw this in your style”Why not?
No. 394308
>>394275I think this is fine anon, but i understand your concerns.
On the other hand, i hate this trap trend that a lot of artists are doing nowadays. Not only the artists but now there's a bunch of spergy autists expecting every artist to draw femboys.
No. 394322
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>>394314Had no idea who you were one about so I gave her a quickie google, and I dunno I dig this
No. 394371
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Hate this pin trend. It's always non-japanese asian artists who bank on this aesthetic to turn around and screech cultural appropriation when someone else does it. Artists who make these merch scream lack of personality and identity to me. If you call them out on this shit they claim its their childhood culture but I don't see anyone making milo or shrimp cracker pins lmao. It's so transparent.
No. 394379
>>394371Oh that reminds me of a mid-tier art-tuber that recently showed a picture of some upcoming pin designs. One of them include a saying (think "c'est la vie") and it is misspelled so it means something else. They clearly don't know, and nobody has pointed it out. I feel bad for them but then if you choose to mass produce something with words on it I feel like you should be better with your spell-checking and quality control…
And yeah, I am also getting bored with everyone and their mother releasing pins. At least they are vaguely more interesting than buttons.
No. 394388
>>394371okay yeah but i'd kill for a milo pin like a tin of milo with the guy kicking the football
somebody here take this idea and run with it, it'll be great
No. 394545
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y i k e s
No. 394630
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???
No. 394717
>>394658Im rereading the words letter by letter and you didn't write the misspell, anon
Also>>394630 Steph doesn't seem like a person to namedrop others or being like Emily. Maybe her beef with whatever she has on is genuinely worth of concern idk
No. 394781
>>394545I thought Kasey lived in Vancouver though?
Nice of Baylee to put up a big warning on what
to avoid in Vancouver.
No. 394825
>>394821She bought a closed species adoptable from an artist, decided to make another character in that closed species, asked the original artist's permission after making the character and got turned down, the original artist found out that Michie had made the character already and got pissed, Michie did a petty livestream where she and her friends bitched about the artist, artist was lurking in the stream, and the artist ultimately blocked Michie a couple months later for art style theft.
And honestly that story wouldn't be all that embarrassing if it weren't for the way Michie tells the story. She says that she's totally over it and that she and the artist were both in the wrong here and repeatedly stops to say that she doesn't blame the artist, yet she still manages to sound incredibly petty and annoyed the whole fucking video. And she ends the video with a long point about how people can change and she isn't the same person she was back then and, even though she was 21 when the story took place, she wasn't really an adult yet. I sort of get her point, but she did a livestream a couple months ago where she was petty and bitched for an hour with her friend about her father-in-law (linked further up in the thread). She is still doing the same shit and hasn't changed. I don't know how she'd react to the closed species situation today but we all fucking know that if she were accused of art style theft she'd passive aggressively mention that person's comment in a livestream within a week. This whole video just made her look bad and I'm amazed that she couldn't anticipate that it would have that effect.
No. 394835
>>394825Thanks for a summary, I usually try not to rip into people's looks or whatever but something about her voice just made my ears wanna bleed, so no way was I going to listen to it for 40 minutes.
Also how is 21 not an adult? I really don't get what do these people consider an adult to be if they think 21 is not yet adult? Sure some people that age can be fucking immature for sure but the moment you turn 18 you're an adult with adult responsibilities. I listened for a bit and she said "I was sort of adult but not really" or something and I thought she meant she had just turned 18, not fucking 21.
No. 394984
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Since there is no good milk atm…
How did she got 25k followers on Instagram? And all of her posts are reaching about 1k likes, and more than 100 comments.
All she does is copying either Happy D. or Tanya Shatseva
No. 394987
>>394984Probably bought em.
>>394912I used to be into closed species and every single community I've been in is total shit, it's got this sort of cult like vibe to it that I don't like. If you aren't spending enough money or a good enough artist you're basically nobody. And there's the 'oc do not steal' bs within the community because people make similar busy designs and shit.
Also encourage, as mentioned up the thread, addictive behaviors.
No. 394995
>>394322Bandages and tears are some of the least original imagery that you could use. It’s Hot Topic tier. Her sketchbook is entirely like this, emo skinny white girls with no actual features and badly drawn animals.
And if you look at James Jeen art, it’s the same but better.
No. 395053
>>394984Or she is in one of these like booster engagment groups on telegram.
Anyway, she wont make many sales with "art" like that.
No. 395108
>>388649>>388617>>387322thank you so much anon, its very helpful
>>387884true
>>388348i think, that many people started to copycat sakimi's art is because she started to sell those guides , so many people just started to use that to start drawing like sakimi and i always hate it , because then we just started to see "sakimi style art" everywhere, i mean, its okay if skaimi wants to sell those guides, but the problem is that many people just use that to copy her
sorry about my english is not my first language
i dont really like when artist do this, because that means, people just gonna take their art style and not making something original
>>388425i know this isnt thread related, but, where i can find art discords?
>>388450god lord jesus save us
>>388451even if she told jews or other religions, is not important, she is just an asshole
>>388661just use adblock maybe?
No. 395154
>>395094Are you sure? I read that about 5% of your Instagram follower are liking the post.
In that case her likes would be real. But the comments are way to much, even Artists with 100k dont get 100 comments per post.
But I have to admit Im jelly about the 1k likes
No. 395163
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The comments are basically all telling her "stop doing challenges, they're boring, do some actual art".
No. 395169
>>394984>>395094I agree, but also art social media (instagram in particular) is more about marketing. You can draw like absolute dogshit but still get likes if you're savvy. There are some great artists out there that could easily get thousands of likes but don't, take notice of reposting accounts in which all of their posts have consistent 1-5k likes. But when you go to the artist's pages… 5, 20, 100 likes, something like that. Usually people who don't know how to work the algorithm and are a little bit more silent (probably social anxiety but who knows) get taken advantage of. Also, yeah. You could also buy followers. You don't need to buy that many though, usually just enough to get yourself on the radar.
Doesn't mean you can't rise to the top if you're skilled and not willing to pander though, it's definitely still possible and will always be.
>OnionsThe art community has never been perfect, but i feel like nowadays it's easy to get followers even if you're shit if you just make some low effort uwu pride art, and dicey headcanons of the new hottest anime characters. Follow it with a woke progressive statement.
No. 395210
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>>395163Voice of reason in the comments got Chloe shook because she's out of a job if she has to try and actually create art that's not "i UsEd wIsH mArKeRs To DrAw MiCkEy MoUsE" for the 100th time.
Seriously, do these talentless hacks not realize that people get views and subs doing "normal" art all the time? I can name a bunch of channels off the top of my head that do voice overs/story times while drawing or speed paints. The gimmicky shitty challenges are a crutch for these artists who don't actually want to make art and yes, your 13 year old audience will eventually get tired of seeing you struggle to make a basic sketch using dollar store art supplies.
No. 395238
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does anyone else think this artist comes across as unhinged. I like her art but she seems off
No. 395279
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who is she shading? did some drama go down in the arttube community recently? (picture says good artist =/= good person)
No. 395288
>>395169The algorithm is a beast. I opened a new art account and had 80 followers. Made a post, probably well algorithm designed. Got 1.3k likes and I gained 200 followers
Tried to repeat it and failed ahah never gonna grasp it
No. 395382
>>395288I can't get a hold of the algorithm either, it's all too confusing to me. I'm just banking on being so good that people come to me regardless of the algorithm, but that's the very very hard way around.
>>395362Obligatory mention of how pricey furry porn YCHs are
No. 395405
>>395382I wish O would be good enough ahah I'm doing all the possible DTIYS and stupid shit to get into the algorithm and is working fairly well.
>>395371The furry porn prices is what made me say "I can sacrifice my purity for this".
100$ and I already have the base?! It's amazing
No. 395437
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I bring milk. Apparently Jellie Bee still has yet to fulfill her kickstarter from 2016. 3 Years and people still don't have their rewards. I know she lurks so her, so Jellie, how about instead of blaming your anxiety for you blatant refusal to follow through on your promises and just freaking do it and be done with it. This is embarrassing.
No. 395441
>>395438This is great milk but also like oh my god like who actually like types like, like this, you know? Like, it's like, wow, is this like, text to speech?
Okay sorry yes I sympathise with the backer who isn't getting their rewards very much I just. OH MAN.
No. 395442
>>395437yikes. "muh anxiety" is not an acceptable, professional response to "why had it taken you 3 years to fulfill your Kickstarter"
what sort of rewards did it offer, anyway? at this point she should probably either look into hiring someone to help her complete it or refund the money. I hate that there's 0 accountability for this.
No. 395444
>>395441You would think after 3 years she would have finished the rewards or refunded them. I feel bad for the backers, makes me wary of backing any projects.
>>395442Exactly, it's also a dick move to make it someone else's problem for not respecting her
deep sad story of mah anxiety waaaaah cry me a river lol
No. 395447
>>395444I know what you mean, I donated to Ross Draws artbook and stuff like this makes me a bit nervous. I've donated on Kickstarter 4 other times but those were to groups or people that very clearly had a responsible team behind them.
Ross's artbook was delayed by 6 months and is now due this summer and I'm getting a little anxious.
No. 395456
>>395437If Jellie Bee cut one or two small things from her spending she could have set aside some money each month to pay back the people who supported her and now want a refund rather than waiting for rewards that might never be fulfilled.
If you are a fully functional and independent adult then your mental health can take deal with the change of dropping a weekly takeout dinner or cutting down on sweets/makeup/clothes you don't REALLY need, etc.
Imagine how good it would feel to finally be able to set things straight and no longer have that anxious pressure of unhappy kickstarter supporters. Three years wasted already. Just find a plan and stick to it and this problem will be solved once and for all!
No. 395483
>>395437Oh fuck off, anxiety is the worst possible excuse to have. Who doesn’t have clinical anxiety at some point in their lives these days? Stop being a fucking vegetable and deliver on the goods you promised and seek therapy if it genuinely gets in the way of daily life, you can’t just throw around mental illness to justify all of your piss poor behaviour, Jellie.
People have severe and chronic mental disorders like paranoid schizophrenia and yet I never hear from them about how they couldn’t fulfil something because of it, it’s only ever mild disorders that are often undiagnosed. Get a grip.
No. 395532
>>395528This is what coddling artists/youtubers leads towards. All they have to do is cry about their
depression or
anxiety (bonus points if they use both) and place blame on their audience/backer for expecting them to do their fucking job. Honestly, I had hoped that Jellie would have done right by her backers but apparently I was wrong. I hope the backers get a refund.
No. 395547
I was reading the Kickstarter rewards….boy oh boy
She has a lot of shit to deliver
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jelliebee/sketchbook-2Plus is it me or the total price for the bundle and the stuff offered don't match? Huge bundles for not that much money.(or maybe is just me)
No. 395554
>>395532i dont believe a single artuber that says they have anxiety and depression because of shit like this. jellie doesnt have either, she is using it as a shield to block away her obligation to her backers. it gives people with these issues a bad name.
your anxiety is stopping you from doing your work? nah, sis, if it was real, at the 3 YEAR POINT, you should be anxious over the fact you have stolen money from every single backer that you promised a product to. she is either faking mental illness to take people's money, or has lost all connection to reality to think 3 years is a good amount of time to waste on this shit.
No. 395593
>>395587yeah I get what you mean, I'm realiing it myself, I still study but drawing takes time and I don't want to think how much time it'll take to manage an online shop, Youtube, Patreon, Instagram and/or twitch livestreams.
Sure you probably earn a lot but you don't live your life anymore.
I learned that I should post as musch as 5 times a week to keep my IG engaged, that''s why i devote an entire day a week to produce artworks. And is just an IG page, I bet they're depressed. It must be a lot to manage.
(not excusing Jelli, she should've known that you need some decent time management skills)
No. 395635
>>395605So true and if she really is so depressed and anxious, leaving her backers hanging would be a huge source of stress. If you're legit so anxious, you would deal with that first by doing the easiest thing, which is giving a refund rather than let it pile up.
Like yea, I've been depressed too and anxious as well and sometimes it really does feel like you just want to throw a towel to the ring and let the world collapse on you but whenever that happens to me it's always over things I cannot change just like that. She's got an easy solution just lying there and the reason she's not using it has nothing to do with anxiety or depression.
This is really just a blatant scam and nothing else, people need to stop giving this "I took a japanese hoard trip" anymore pity and firmly demand a refund, kickstarter is not a fucking charity.
No. 395667
>>395635What I've noticed is that if someone else calls her out on someone else's social media (where she can't either block or delete their post) then she suddenly is
working so hard like omg guies. I think it was on one of Baylee's videos from last year where her scamming got called out.
No. 395678
>>395674Couldn't find any mention of Jellie on that video.
>>395676Wow she has one hell of a history with this crap. I'm surprised this isn't more well known given not just the initial scam but the banning of those looking for refunds too.
No. 395680
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>>395676Screen capped it, and props to Lemia for not deleting the comments.
No. 395683
>>395680I'm honestly so disappointed cuz I liked her a lot but fuuuck her. She's lol ADD or something with her new obsession with being a weeb suddenly and her boner for Bakugo and MHA it's all she's talking or thinking about meanwhile there are people who she completely scammed and she doesn't care she goes to Japan and buys a fuck ton of art supplies and doujins. Grow the fuck up and pay every single person back before making excuses and moving on with your life Jellie.
Have their been any people speaking up after her little vacation haul video? It's ridiculous.
No. 395684
>>395604It's ridiculous to have a clearly time-sensitive kickstarter that says "2016" nice and big on it and still be stringing people along in
2019. She definitely did the business no-no of spending the money on her personal life before she actually delivered the goods
No. 395695
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>>395676I grabbed more screen caps. The more I look the these the more of a cow she becomes lol
No. 395706
>>395695Printing business?
I stopped following her after she was promising to publish videos of her webcomic but never really
No. 395714
>>395706She had a printing business called Bee Spokes I think. I remember Baylee talking about the service but that was it. It seems besides Baylee's positive experience everyone else had a shitty one.
Reviews from customers:
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.beespokeprint.com No. 395717
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>>395714To add further proof that this was her business, she commented on the video.
No. 395836
>>395660No one’s butt hurt, it’s just weird that this weeaboo supply that’s majority of the time misused is still seen as a huge social status symbol (because at the end of the day that’s why majority of art tubers get it)
Also, learn how to reply.
No. 395860
>>395838Aussie here, don’t get them in any stores here. The price inflations are all atrocious, Copic controls the market of every country they sell their products in - your best bet for getting them at a price that reflects their quality is from Japanese sellers. A few years back while the shortage was going on I managed to snag them from Japanese eBay sellers who were repackaging loose stock as sets (all in all it came to be $4 per unit rather than the usual $10+). You won’t be able to buy them from overseas art stores as Copic doesn’t allow overseas sales, so you need to find individual sellers or use a service that will forward packages from Japan.
Or you can always get them secondhand, the brunt of the cost is the market itself, after that it becomes cost effective by buying refills so it’s not a big deal if they’re not brand new. Also don’t bother going with other brands, copics aren’t great for illustration because of the alcohol, but the brand itself is miles ahead of every other competitor - refillable, larger colour selection, replaceable nibs, higher quality dyes, ergonomic design (japs honestly just know what they’re doing in terms of art and design supplies, commercial illustration is an integral part of their culture so it’s not surprising)
Here’s a bid going on $250 is a good price but it won’t stay at that
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-COPIC-Sketch-72-Color-Set-A-Markers-72-A-SET/333143886936?hash=item4d90ec4c58:g:Th4AAOSw4uhcpez0 No. 395868
>>395844Whatever you go with it’s best to get a roll if it’s an option, they’re the most expensive option upfront but it’s worth saving for as in the long run it becomes hugely cost effective. Rolls are typically at least 1m x 9m, so depending on how large you paint it will last you at least half a year. You also have the freedom of cutting/ripping it into any size you need
It really depends on how much you’re willing to spend on one sitting, but I have a roll I bought late last year that I’m not even halfway through yet, and I paint pretty much every day. I also use this paper and it’s amazing
https://www.amazon.com/Canson-Infinity-Aquarelle-Watercolor-Paper/dp/B002RKLZQO/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?keywords=canson+watercolor+roll&qid=1554599791&s=gateway&sr=8-4 No. 395892
>>395831You would think that after seeing a surge of the markers being used for finished art within the past 10-15 years, that Too would look into trying to find a way to try to figure out how to make the dyes light-fast (is that even possible?).
I didn't noticed any bad fading in my own art, but the swatch of BV00 (a very light purple) had turned a pink color. The swatches were made a few years ago and the book they are in is kept closed most of the time.
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>>395892Yeah the light purples are notoriously unstable.
No. 395931
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This is insane
No. 395974
>>395769Get Promarkers/Brushmarkers from pretty much any UK art store. I think even some WHSmiths stock them?! I got the greys set, and I love their warm greys so much.
That being said, I also own a small selection of copics, to which I continuously add single markers from CultPens. That's a GREAT website for pens if you're UK based because they're super cheap. But yes, I too have copics and they are very nice, i just don't use them too often, just every now and again when I feel like it.
No. 395976
>>395931I don't know about anyone else, but anyone who digs through 9 years worth of tweets to 'call someone out' is absolutely ridiculous. Like jesus christ, 9 years ago all sorts of bad, 'politically incorrect' jokes were in fashion. People change and grow up within a decade, when will people realist this?
SJWs man… at it again… just because they can't grow up doesn't mean everyone else can't.
No. 395983
I'm surprised that there's not a lot of attention on this. It's insanely milky. A ton of popular artists are chiming in. Notably, Irene koh shares this dubious thread (I say dubious because OP isn't a psychologist) and how consume pedophilic / rape / incest fantasy is therapeutic. Everyone is either for or against this thread.
https://twitter.com/kohquette/status/1114708550180200448?s=19Other prominent artists chiming in
https://twitter.com/radicles_/status/1114691346395291649?s=19https://twitter.com/ab_varaham/status/1114741464737533957?s=19https://twitter.com/Trungles/status/1114685531823202305?s=19Hell, even jen bartel rt'd Irene's post. Prozkpd wife has commented on the situation as well.
Whether you think incest porn is bad or not, this has been such a huge topic in the community that many artists in my private twitter are dumbfounded about several hot shots artists commenting that rape fantasies are okay. It's crazy because it's all being posted on their main art accounts. So a ton of people have to see all these tweets on their TL today lmao
No. 395985
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>>395983Samefag, but people are pointing out leslie has a NSFW pixiv with underage characters. So, this was another reason why a lot of people are upset.
https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=48894 No. 395995
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No. 396003
>>395996Honestly I'm real tired of this "think of the fictional characters" bullshit. If it's like a cartoon porn of
realistic children then that's an absolute no no but this sort of "omg this 16 y/o with the body of an 25 y/o is wearing a bikini and is in sexual pose, totally unacceptable!" I think people really need to see that fiction is not reality and stop trying to moralize it as if it was. Art has always been about expressing ideas and exploring new territory and it should stay as such.
No. 396009
>>396005Most people don’t have an issue with older teens, especially if they’re fucking other teens, the problem arises when they’re full on loli characters or said teens are getting rammed by old dudes. There’s also a difference between some young adult drawing nsfw of their favourite characters and seedy older guys like say SlugBox who make a living off of drawing phonographic imagery of minors
But again, pedophilic imagery and ideas should always be stigmatised, everyone knows that if you give pedos and inch they’ll take a mile.
No. 396011
>>396010We also live in a society that idolises Lolita by Nabokov but at the same time lambasts people for any other sexual fantasy or desire. Or in fact, bans books that have a bit of violence whilst Lolita is let under the radar.
That being said, Lolita is a gross book and is not for everyone. Some people like it because it's 'artistic', some people don't because it's unsettling and pedophilloic. Anyway this is a huge digression and honestly weird incest kinks vs child porn are really different I think??
unless it's child porn AND incest because then….. no……
No. 396022
>>396020The appeal of lolis isn’t just that they’re petite though, it’s because of their childlike appearance and mannerisms while being put in questionably sexual situations
They’re also almost exclusively underage, because even the thousand year old dragon loli is a child in comparison to all the other characters. I wish early 2000’s anime never normalised and popularised lolis
No. 396041
>>395996>>396004>>396009>>396010Won't someone PLEASE think of the fictional characters
yes, fiction doesn't exist in a vacuum but these characters aren't real. People draw porn of disembodied characters for Christ's sake. As long as they ain't tryna do the shit to real people or drawing porn of real people, this shouldn't be that big of an issue. Fiction is supposed to be where you put all of the dark and fucked up shit and do whatever with it.
plus it's stupid to punish people on the basis of some fucked up fictional porn. half the people that do this shit probably got some even worse porn hidden in their faves or have done some fucked up shit in real life lmao. like the catholic church.
No. 396043
Honestly, I feel like a lot of this could had been prevented if Leslie Hung just apologized and said she didn't realize it was an incest artwork. Then maybe talk about how she wont do it again. But she starts off with bragging that she's #canceled!
I think a lot of people would've let this slide because her art is excellent. But, the way she spoke down to others pissed off quite a few people. Also, the fact that her friends stepped in to debate if fictional incest is okay just added more fuel to this drama. I saw the entire thing unfold yesterday, and it was crazy how fast it escalated.
We could debate how Leslie shouldnt obey rabid SJWs, but she was a woke (tm) SJW as well. So, I feel like the self sjw cannibalism was suited.
This entire drama makes me wonder if
>>384146 was really onto something. I honestly thought this was a vendetta post.
No. 396053
>>395931Ok but why did they have to specify they don't do crack? Lmao. That sounds like someone who does crack to me.
Also that LOL surprise! Avatar they have is baffling to me- my seven year old niece said she was too grown up for LOLs- then again taking in the maturity of these people maybe it's not so shocking.
No. 396059
>>396056I opened their twitter. Looked at the banner and closed it.
wtf-
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>>396056What are you talking about????? This is clearly a perfectly normal and sound of mind individual with no concerning hobbies or interests. I bet ur just jealous she can draw gud and u cant :,(( u meanie troll
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Was checking out TwistedDisasters newest stream with Holly because I was curious if they fucked up again and I found this comment there, lol
No. 396102
>>396092better to have it be done in fiction, on paper, to non-existent, characterized, fake, not real, separate from reality children than actual breathing, living, mentally cognizant, reactionary, conscious children, right? or do fictional characters have rights now?
if i had to choose between real pedophilia and art-kink pedophilia, i'd say let the art shit be. at least no actual kids are hurt.
No. 396107
>>396102I don't think anyone cares about the fictional characters' rights lol, you're strawmanning.
Drawing and consuming pedophilic (or any paraphilic) art is going to affect people. Especially people who are already inclined to paraphilic or pedophilic obsessions. It's dangerous and gross.
And pedos shouldn't be allowed to express their disgusting fetishes in any way, because eventually, drawing kiddie porn won't be enough and they'll act on it.
No. 396114
>>396108I guarantee that if they did research on
sexual violence in video games they would find that it does indeed influence sexual harassment and assault
No. 396173
>>396168people are not that stupid. if someone is gunna jack it to or rape little kids, they're gunna do it anyways.
shit that encourages sexualization of children isn't some weird niche porn. it's shit like toddlers and tiaras where toddlers are encouraged to twirk, "smoke", etc. and do a bunch of other adults and sexual shit for an adult audience or when politicians and people in positions of power actually participate in child sex and prositituion rings and get away with it because they have money.
No. 396194
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Does anyone have any tips for artist alleys/markets? I’ll be doing my first one this weekend and I genuinely have no idea what to expect
No. 396209
>>396175What's backing up that claim?
>>396184You're seriously just making up scenarios in your head now.
Allow me to reiterate "it's just fictional characters, get over it"
No. 396210
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d'angelo is going full time youtuber, apparently. is 100k subs really enough to make a living?
No. 396233
>>396140The fact that they’re talking to YouTube about that makes me think of this video, basically Spankie Valentine had 600k subs and at some point her videos just stopped showing up in recommended/subscriptions, her channel plummeted and she had to make a whole new channel. Wondering if they’re going through a similar thing or if it’s just that their audience grew up and stopped watching them.
Regardless, I think it’s nice that they’re willing to change up their content, hope they figure it out.
No. 396243
>>396237YouTube is run by a faulty algorithm that was built by people to sift through things it thinks people want to watch, while pushing down things that took effort and might be of interest.
The majority of the time youtube is trying to trick you into thinking you have control over what you're watching when it's really trying to feed you what's most popular. A lot of channels making content worth watching are getting the shaft in different ways, but YouTube has the nerve to suggest you have to upload at least 2-3 times a week. Broadcast TV doesn't even expect to air new episodes of a show more than once a week unless it's a special, so idk where YouTube gets off.
No. 396246
>>396244Has she ever made any real headway on her comic?? I feel like every time I turn around she's on something new. Her comic, fan art, hauls, trip to Japan, manufacturing business years ago (that failed), etc.
Just. Literally anything but fulfilling Kickstarter backers.
She either makes good on her word, or she starts paying folks back… Like anon mentioned above, people keep coddling these artists to the point where they get away with robbery and have 0 accountability. Speaking as an artist myself we need to hold off on over promising and then under (or not) delivering, and need to be more realistic. And fans/followers need to hold artists accountable instead of sweeping it under the rug and covering them with excuses.
JellieBee:
Recognize when you've bitten off more than you can chew.
Show some integrity and be honest with your supporters. It does you and the rest of the art community a disservice when you aren't communicating or fulfilling an agreed upon project. Artists already get a bad rap for being flighty. If you have any kind of following you have a responsibility to maintain and conduct yourself to a standard that reflects well on you.
No. 396250
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>>396247These blog posts are old, so it's possible formulas have changed, but it's pretty clear they're NOT lightfast. Unless they've stopped being dye-based, I doubt they're archival.
http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2010/04/lightfastness-markers.htmlhttp://markersguild.blogspot.com/2017/09/lightfastness-test-on-fine-liners.html No. 396257
>>396207For commissions: Try to price them so that you're not taking home too much. One of the biggest issues i've had with tabling when i was younger was underpricing my work, and having to go home on sunday to do more work. Last time i took commissions at cons I priced them at around $30-$50 for a 9x12 black and white single character piece, and adjusted based on detailing, more characters, etc.
As far as merch, try and utilize as much vertical space as you can, and also invest in both a square reader, and a tablecloth.
No. 396272
>>396269I'm fairly certain winsor newton's pigment markers are also lightfast, though it'd be wise to check on each individual marker.
Though I think they're one of the only exceptions, since they're not dye-based, and work very differently from alcohol-based markers.
No. 396385
>>396348A friend of mine, who was an architect, literally uses copics for spot colouring and shading. Honestly people trying to draw the distinction that copics should not or cannot be used for art is silly. Like they're just alcohol markers that blend nicely, so use them for whatever you choose.
The fact is a lot of people will use copics for things they plan to scan in, and I think people are more irritated at the idea of people trying to sell copic originals than anything else because they're not lightfast. Really, most artists will take photos/scan in their art immediately after they're done nowadays, so lightfastness doesn't matter as much.
No. 396478
>>396348Before they began covering packages in badly drawn manga art they used to have pictures of cars on them, like the stuff Scott Robertson makes.
And before computers completely took over the industry graphic design was done almost entirely by hand and with some mechanical tools. Old books about gd would list watercolor paints and markers as supplies for drafts
No. 396506
>>396228Even outside of the kickstarter fiasco, I've always gotten selfish vibes from JellieBee. She comes off as stinking with the sense of entitlement, but also lacking any self-awareness. Everything is made into such a dramatic big deal when it happens to her, but other people are just supposed to be chill when she essentially screws them out of their money? Complaining about the people not letting her film in Japan - so she's apparently SO in love with the country, but can't deal with the culture they have of respecting privacy? She sounded like such a spoilt brat.
And then in the studio vlog where she says she's doing the walker con to make up for not making enough at mcm, but that "she shouldn't have to". Like selling her mediocre work is just a definite in her mind.
I don't doubt that she suffers with depression and anxiety, but I think she's way more calculating and manipulative than she wants you to believe.
And what is it with going on about how broken her equipment is, only to try and sell it to people for way too much money?!
No. 396513
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>>396448what the actual fuck
No. 396548
does katzun count as a youtube artist?
she was like your typical youtube animator: thinking that having a furry avatar and saying lol-im-not-a-furry is the peak of comedy, STORYTIMES!, Huion reviews, relatable "animations" about anxiety/being introverted, etc. cringy to me, but it was harmless stuff and i'm not the target demographic anyway
then 7 months ago she came out as gay, identifies as queer, is at most bisexual, then 4 months ago she went all in and made an LGBTQ+ channel. she's only 18 iirc and went to a religious school, so it makes sense that she's going so ham now, but god damn if i'm not sighing heavily trying to watch her gay youtube videos
No. 396581
>>396513Oof. “Professional artist, gallery exhibitions”, everybody!
Why do I keep thinking that she pretends to be left handed? She holds everything kinda awkward
No. 396606
>>396513>>396581i have two questions (OK I have a lot of questions, but two for now)
a/ what on earth is the point of going 'posterboard is the BEST for drawing on!!!' and then a/ having to 'prepare' it by scrubbing it with a dish sponge and b/ then complaining about the texture not being what you want?
b/ how can a 'professional' never have heard of acrylic inks before?
No. 396705
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>>396685This is their "owner" lmao
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This is so good.
Can someone tell them their "aesthetic" is fucking overrepetitive and they're not original?! Thanks.
No. 396729
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>>396705Imagine being cancelled by a tranny who pretends to be a fucking dog
No. 396738
>>396729Cabr we move on from this? I get it, you dont like trans people, whatever, like im supposed to care about your preferences lol. They called someone out right? I have no problem with that.
Now. What does their art look like?
No. 396787
>>396728Omg i read that back then, it rubbed me the wrong way
Honestly her "aesthetic" is kind of a rip off of meyoco but whos to say that anything is original nowadays right?? I highly doubt she made that aesthetic all by herself
No. 396819
>>396047Even funnier, DMC is just as bad when you actually play the games and pay attention to them. The two men depicted in the fanart that started this shitstorm are respectively
>the older man, Dante, who had his mother's clone as a love interest in the first game, which was so awkward that fans make memes about Dante wanting to fuck his mom and having an Oedipus complex all the time. It's non-canon since Hideki Kamiya doesn't work for the series anymore because, again, it's awkward as fuck>the younger GROWN man, Nero, has his adoptive older sister as a love interest. They grew up together and he sees her as a mother figure, a sister figure AND his girlfriend all at once, according to the DMC4 novel or the artbook. And it's actually still canon this time.So I don't get how they don't expect incest shit in fanfics and fanart. Don't even get me started on the fact that most popular pairing by far is Vergil/Dante, the twin brothers, which is well known among the fans for over a decade. But tbh I'm gonna guess most people who were involved in the callout didn't even play the games.
No. 396852
>>396729Woof
>>396738It's great when people come into this thread and bitch about how little they care about someone else's posts, just don't read them then lmfao
>>396751Aren't Sharpies also alcohol based
No. 396890
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>>396866here's one courtesy of Kasey, lmao i still find this super funny
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lol
But I actually really like her art.
No. 397342
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>>397089does she not know anything about sabrina? it's very clearly a reference to this iconic cover of hers
No. 526237
Idk why but I will throw some salt here.
Some artists forgot to draw shapes and just keeps stroking and stroking in their sketches as if they understand wth they are doing like noooo, they have to build up from simple shapes first and use less strokes. They must avoid too mamy strokes even in sketching like omg its ugly and it makes line art more difficult, why do they do that. Their art could have been a lot better and actually less painful to do. I used to do that when I draw like I had no brains, is drawing without a brain more popular now to young artists???
Trust me, I avoid doing constant strokes, less strokes = the better and it HELPED. Ugh people tend to forget basic art fundamentals and say that they are improving, it hurts and it is embarassing. XDDD
I would call out Creepshow art mostly since she has such great content but like is she really improving or that's only what she thinks? I want her to see this
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1. Pick out references and actually study them. It is ok to draw over the references and deconstruct them into simple shapes but don't trace over the lines like some kind of silhoutte because you'll never learn anything. You can do this before doing the actual drawing, it helps.
2. Deconstruct the body parts into simple shapes. Deconstruct what you see in the reference, it doesn't have to be super realistic, get the emotion, pose, shape and scale right. I think Ethan Becker is a very good example because he has a lot of videos on that
3. Try to do at least 15 mins of croquis a day by using the method of deconstructing into simple shapes and reconstructing it back to how it actually looks. It will train you like an art soldier to use less strokes, less unneccessary lines, more thinking and quicker understanding. The more you do, the faster you get.
Regardless of your art style, you can still apply to it to real life references by using this simple method of deconstructing and using less strokes and less unneccessary lines.
Such a shame some artists spent years on doing the same mistake all and all over again just because they don't know the basic art fundamentals…(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)