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Finally found the right thread.
What do you think about this art anons? I posted this on /snow Weeb Artists & Musicians and anons there told me that it isn't that bad and very Calarts kek
This artist is a graduate at Calarts btw and is specialized in character design and 2D animation. She made an animation intro for Taylor R. Don't disappoint me because I am hungry for some salt.
Link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xolIjnFGoUA
Lol the original post from the weeb artists thread smells even more like a self post. They even posted a screenshot of the resume and the instagram feed. What a way to start the general artist salt train.>>337542
I don't know how Lavender Towne has made it this far. If she has a cintiq that's so wrong in terms of colour that she can colour skin GREEN, there's something very wrong. Because uh, I don't know if she knows this but the dark skin tones are nowhere near the greens. Absolute dingus.
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def self promotion, you're fooling no one. also, are you SURE youre a graduate of any art school ever?
i always assumed it was. golden isn't exactly a rare or weird last name. she goes by "kasey the golden" on her social media because kaseygolden is already taken.
unless she said somewhere it's a pseudonym i'd just operate under the assumption it's her true and honest last name.
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Reposting this because nothing illustrates Lavender’s total lack of skill more.
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she should have just googled and doubled down instead of bitching out with the "i didnt see the right colors bc of my tablet" bullshit tbh
Viria is a very talented artist and I like her a lot!! It's great to see a fanartist rise in the ranks and become an official artist for the books she was a fan of!
Though she did get herself into some drama in the summer I think? Where someone was supposedly stealing her style and she got quite upset about it because the resemblance was so uncanny that people genuinely mistook the other person's art as viria's. Not sure if this is considered 'milk' or not but it's pretty old news by now.
Undertone doesn't mean straight up green though, this would've made her look even dumber.>>337604
I usually think "YOU STOLE MUH STYLE!!!" hysterics are overblown but if people were genuinely mistaking other art for hers then I think that warrants being upset.
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Waffles finally did a nice face on this drawing. I reckon this one is suprising un-fugly, what do you guys think?
Sadly I do not, but turns out the drama is still going on! https://twitter.com/viria13/status/1071347939782602752
Viria is still very upset about this person copying her art style.
I like him a lot personally. But to each their own and all.
Also Viria is a talented artist but like her stuff is just a Voltron Haikyuu hybrid why does she think she’s super unique. Maybe the other artist is ripping her off but she has a serious case of same face going so she can hop right off her high horse at any time.
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Everyone always going on about Calart style when Voltron rip-off style is fucking everywhere. If I see one more of these ugly fucking mouths I will scream.
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I think I found the artist she was talking about. Their twitter name is _Alexgv_. it's pretty obvious that they are inspired by Viria at least but I don't really see the point in talking about it for months.
Yeah I think this is the person. You can definitely see the inspiration. I think Viria's salt was the fact they originally tried to play it off as if they had no idea who Viria was when it's pretty damn obvious it was inspired by her.
Though yeah I feel like it's just unnecessary salt to have haha. I don't watch Voltron so I can't say much about the 'Voltron Style' because to me it always looks more like 'anime but then I decided I started to like comics too' style.
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Pic related is what I would consider Voltron smirk. Smiles that reach into eye socket territory.
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I hate this style. Same goes for TLA/Korra and any other show that does that "almost anime but not quite" style. It's not appealing at all.
oh man if this is the voltron smirk then I am a huge offender of this whoops time to look into that.
Though I think part of the issue is when they don't do anything else with the expressions. Like it's really bland in that sense, but if your mouths are gonna be that exaggerated, I think you might as well exaggerate any expressions you decide to draw. But I always find that when you see them drawing any other expression it's just… very boring. Like if you're gonna do a dumb face just keep going, make that frown a real big frown or whatever, because if a smirk is the only time you're going to break the face for expression, that's just sad.
also it took me ages to notice that this character is doing that damn dreamworks eyebrows. >>337786
Oh my god they're all doing the dreamworks eyebrows.
Agreed. Still love it but it has its flaws for sure. >>337811
Anon just please don't move the mouth to other parts of the face that make no fucking sense to achieve the smirk. Also keep it under the nose and out of the chin area…it's just ridiculous sometimes how people do it. Plus at this point it's pretty generic but I've seen talented folks that use it. (It's fucking every where though I cant not notice it now)
All of these have the same ugly ass Holly Brownish long angular face with the same retarded smirk. Just what kind of people think this looks good? It's even worse when people force it on characters that are supposed to be seen as handsome or beautiful when they look like a generic cheap kids' cartoon sidekick.>>337802
This. I hate how anime style gets shat on and discouraged everywhere no matter how talented and original the artist is but the bad western imitations of it receive praise every way they turn.
Comic book style can be any style anon.
I was asking if anyone know artists who don't have an anime inspired style
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i’ve been seeing a lot of stuff like this in my feed lately and it’s getting on my nerves. what’s with these people drawing girls with these stupid fucking lips that look like they got inflated from too many injections? normal human lips aren’t structured like that
It's actually not that obvious considering plenty of people, not just Viria, draw like this…
This is the problem with way too many artists: their art is never as special as they think it is. In nearly every case of people throwing these temper tantrums, they have the most generic art styles imaginable.
I like her artwork, but I wish that her videos had more personality.
Some years back she posted a "Meet the Artist" image on IG with some controversial dislikes and people bashed her for it so I wonder if that's why she is so private.
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can kasey be anymore obnoxious with the amount of adds she puts into one damn video?
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At first, I thought "an chill guy that's voicing what everyone is fucking saying. He can't draw but hey he is learning" to "Dumbass motherfucker"
The opinion quickly changes when he decides to make a video on /ic/.>takes every shit post seriously>they had legit criticism and still regards them as "worst advice site">sees pic related>"I don't know what that means but it must be smart">now attracting normies to /ic/
/ic/ is great for /beg/ threads and Artbook megas, but as an oldfag, it hurts to see him not understand board culture.
/ic/ hates everyone and everything, that's common knowledge
His art style seems outdated to me
like 80's cartoons
I guess he learned to draw around that time and that's why he's stuck with it? idk
He seems like he's probably an asshole and just keeps it in check for youtube. He reminds me of markiplier in that sense, pretending to be sweet and wholesome for his audience but a total narcissistic douchebag in reality.
As far as money goes, the cost of living his really high where he lives and he also has two kids, so he's probably less well off than you guys think.
yeah. his little mascot is especially ugly, not just design wise but the colours are awful and bland.
while I do think jazza is capable of being very creative (I was honestly impressed by his blow art piece) and can produce nice art, for the most part the style is super dated if not borderline ugly and I'm surprised people like it. I know kids on YouTube like all sorts of bad art but usually there's some aspect of it that's appealing (like anime inspired or priddy gorls (tm) or cutesy shit) but jazza is just kind of there.
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I think the one that pissed people off most was "abortion"
because wanting women to have a right to abort is totally tumblr lol
She seems like a really idiotic christian republican.
Americans are fucking weird to me lol
I think it was mentioned way before that she's one of those 'good christian artists' so I guess this really does check out.
She is entitled to her own opinion but we all know how opinions can ruin youtubers cough hcbrown cough.
I think she got into a bit of drama before for calling a dark skintone 'chocolate' and 'delicious looking' and people were like "erm". And I'm starting to think maybe she's fishing for drama nowadays to keep her and her art relevant? But that's a shot in the dark anyway back to the milk.
Because discussing the content an artist puts out isn’t? Didn’t mean to trigger
any monotheists boo.
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I can’t get over how shitty these look.
I know this is a salt channel but I agree with anon. I love Kelogsloops. He's one of the many reasons I got into watercolour.
Also he's an actual professional artist who still uses 'student grade' supplies whilst people like kasey are all like OHHhhH only get good watercolours!!!!!! And his stuff's just really fun.
Kelogsloops uses many professional grade supplies, he’s moved up to Daniel Smith and the like. And he’s a professional artist who has been exhibited - he SHOULD be using professional grade art supplies.
There’s a reason why professionals don’t use student grade products; they’re not lightfast, have filler, aren’t as vibrant, don’t produce as good colours from mixing, don’t have as many colours available, the list just goes on. So I’m not sure what your point is about people making a living off of art using professional grade supplies
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"Please check out my youtube channel where I paint with my own blood and draw dog dicks for the 600 thousand children who watch me :)"
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Well, she seems to wholeheartedly believe that her and Holly are the victims of a situation that they literally caused themselves, as soon as anyone has something negative to say about her she just defaults to "sjw bullies!!!", class act. Also her art style might genuinely be one of the least appealing I've ever seen for that skill level, it's horrifying.
she did eventually move out, before the wedding i think?
her situation was awful at her in laws, their house was festering with cockroaches, idk why she wanted to stay there so bad.
oh I wasn't defending her in any way, just saying she did eventually move out and that the inlaws house was fucking gross looking so if anything it should've been incentive to stop being so lazy but freeloaders gonna freeload i guess. i remember her tweets that they were harping on her for having a "fake job" and that her husband had a REAL job and that she should be moving more boxes to the new apartment etc etc and she was like "b-but muh client work," as if the people commissioning her couldn't wait a week for her to finish moving.
2 broke adults getting married and living in mommy's house is the pinnacle of pathetic.
I don't think anyone's suggesting that professional grade materials is bad at all! But he uses student grade stuff in sketchbooks and some of his tutorial videos, which is nice to see because most of the people watching probably do have student grade equipment.
Like obviously nobody thinks professional grade materials are bad. That'd be stupid. They're professional for a reason. I think it's more like a "wow nice to see a person use student grade stuff without the whole 'omg i try student grade watercolours!! let's see if it works!' shtick that some youtubers do.
Also most watercolours are very lightfast, especially cotmans and van goghs. It will definitely last several years, unless exposed to bright lights (but even then, most paints even the most light fast, will struggle under too much light). People buy original copic art, even though that's probably the least lightfast thing.
I feel like people who buy copic pieces don't actually realize it's lightfast.
That said, I agree, youtubers acting like student watercolours are unusable and suitable to only children's fingerpaints is annoying.
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this person is submitting this as her ap portfolio piece. just bc they have a following they think they can just not improve their art
YES ANON LOL
i hate that cunt
her anatomy is hideous, she is one of these “if i put curves into my character im being dynamic“ people. she dropped out of art school because she claimed they couldn‘t teach her anything and she started her own “animation studio“ afterwards for youtube. i have so much dirt on her, lol
I love it when anons provide such helpful information or topics like these!
>I think it's more like a "wow nice to see a person use student grade stuff without the whole 'omg i try student grade watercolours!! let's see if it works!' shtick that some youtubers do.
I agree, tired of those kinds of videos tbh. I just want to watch people make great art, not use tired old gimmicks that literally every other popular art YouTuber is doing.
With that said, I wish Audra Auclair would make videos again her drawing processes are so interesting to watch imo.
I didn't say professional grade paints were bad, most of mine are professional quality, but plenty of student grade paints have the exact same lightfastness as their professional counterpart. Cotman, for example, none of the line uses fugitive pigments (unlike the professional line where some of them are fugitive). The biggest downfall of most student grade paint is pigment load; you're not going to get the same colour pay off. If you don't need that, going with the student grade is absolutely fine. As an example, I'll never need professional phthalo blue or green, they're extremely intense; it's easier to mix and use when it's the Cotman or Van Gogh phthalos, plus they have the exact same level of lightfastness. Meanwhile I only use professional grade yellows because otherwise they're too weak and are easily overpowered when mixing.
Your painting is more likely to fade if the person uses professional Winsor Newton paint without looking at lightfastness (tossing in Alizain Crimson or Opera Rose or Aureolin) than if someone used Cotman but knew nothing about lightfastness. Obviously someone using dye based watercolours or crappy student grade paint that isn't
lightfast (usually craft grade really) should move onto lightfast versions, but plenty of 'student grade' are perfectly fine for professional use.>>340099
Because it was an anon who said student grade isn't lightfast as a reason for not using it when they are lightfast. Those other factors are not important if the otherwise desired result is achieved (so it doesn't matter if it's a particular paint), while lightfastness is still important since that has an effect on longevity, something that needs to be considered, especially if it's sold.
Finally someone mentioned her.
Her last "woe is me" update video (linked) was a complete pity party and she hasn't even updated since.
Idk why people feel so sorry for her in the comments. If she has the money to move TWICE in a single year, just because didn't like the first place, she can afford a damn therapist.
Am I the only one tired of these art YouTubers constantly fishing for sympathy?
Their work is doing what they love, they get to be creative and get paid for it unlike the rest of us, and yet they constantly feel the need to complain about how hard their f*ING life is?
I subscribed for their art. I did not sign up to be subjected to everyone's goddamn first world problems.
Sorry for the rant, but Audra's video is what made me unsubscribe from every single art YouTuber except Art Ala Carte and Waffles.
AaC & Waffles seem like the only ones who don't constantly complain and fish for sympathy.
Thanks for the save, bro.
I swear I clicked post only once!
Anyway back on topic.>>340392
I respectfully disagree. I honestly consider this an ongoing issue within the art community how everyone seems to adopt the same "woe is me" attitude.
Experiencing difficulties, having doubts, and being humble about one's artistic abilities are NOT the things I'm referring to.
I'm talking about those who publicly complain about something or another almost every single video, all while seemingly lacking any form of humility or self awareness.
This would be absolutely fine if these people were still in their teens, but these women are all in their late 20s or 30+.
So forgive me for saying this, but adults portraying themselves as constantly sad and seemingly demanding sympathy from their thousands of subscribers (many of whom are genuinely troubled teens) just isn't respectable or professional behaviour in my humble opinion.
Especially when they visibly have stable incomes and suportive, fulfilling relationships. Rarely (if ever) have I heard them sound grateful for the things they have.
I've tried to look past it because I genuinely LOVE the opportunity to watch skilful people create incredible things and talk about life, but I just can't handle ungrateful complaining on a daily basis.
Like most people on this planet, I have my own problems and daily struggles to just stay afloat. #selfblog
Anyway, that is my No.1 criticism and "General artist salt" about art YouTubers.
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Is she just trolling us at this point? The left looks so muddy and ugly. It’s got that ugly look of when new digital artists abuse the blur tool when they shade.
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I did a quick search and found her blog post about this whole debacle, posted months before the video.
It comes across MUCH better than her dreadful video. Judge for yourselves.https://www.audraauclair.com/blog/>>340450
No prob, I'm glad I could explain myself! So relieved I'm not alone with thinking this.
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Her entire spine looks dislocated.
Why are the hips are facing the viewer but the upper body turned to the right?
Is this bish inspired by hieroglyphs or something
Right?? Wtf pose is this for a girl standing and reading her phone? Her expressions are so one note too. Blank wide eyed staring with poses that look like they should be floating in midair.
In one of her recent videos she said something about how learning 'realism' won't make your stylized works immediately better but I feel like she's just missing the point of people telling her to learn the rules before breaking them. She's probably just butthurt her 'style' is one note and she can't draw outside of it for shit.
Wow, another genius who won't learn fundamentals?
I just read this joker's Twitter bio and she literally describes herself as a Ravenclaw (which is cringe in itself), yet she refusrs to study art seriously?
The cognitive dissonance in this, beach.
And here i thought it was bad enough when this edgelord decided to announce her dislike of Bob Ross.
I believe this was discussed very recently in this thread, but I just HAVE to give my 2 cents.
I believe her main criticism of him was how he "never painted any people!!" Or whatever. Except he did. In 8ne episode he painted a shadowy silhouette of a man by a campfire.
And, UNLIKE HER, Ross was very humble and honest about his shortcomings, particularly when it came to human portraiture.
He also invited others to help him teach it on his show because viewers requested it so much.
Point being disliking Bob Ross isn't edgy, you godamn lavender-thot.
He never claimed to be a master of his craft, he just wanted to share THE JOY OF GODDAMN PAINTING with the world, you irreverent child.
Excuse me for blowing up.
But for real, could her attitude as an aspiring artist get any worse?
After all those hour long "I'm moving" / "productivity" vlogs, and sponsorships, I stopped watching.
And when she does draw art it just doesn't really resonate with me anymore. I mean, it doesn't have to be amazing, but, it just seems unsurprising and mediocre now. Like, Minnie has been on autopilot for a while now…
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…I went back and checked and you're absolutely right. My bad. You're the real MVP.
In my defense, it was brought up a whole month ago in the previous thread.
Am I just that fucking retard or does anyone else get all of these cutesy/cartoony art YouTubers confused??
MY BAD TOWNE, I MeANT FUCC KASEY
I can't even delete or rectify that shit now because of the damn time limit.
I'll fact check my shit twice over next time. Thank god this board is anonymous
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I was watching a video about someone's heroin addiction story and uhhh saw this in the comments.
Was this known information?
Made me realise how old Emily must be to have had a long term heroin addiction so long ago I always assumed she was early 20s but I guess not.
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just realised I didn't show the full comment
also here is the youtube video she commented on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qqu-LDLpJ0&t=926s
Emily is top comment
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Thought it looked a bit familiar
Here’s the thing about emily. She says stupid shit constantly then deletes the evidence when she realizes it’s stupid.
She had a Q and A video at 1000 subscribers where she drew herself naked, admitted to being a sex worker, post photos of herself naked, said she doesn’t like any other art youtubers, and that she’s so different and edgy and goth and she will never change, fast forward a year and she’s calling herself the mom of YouTube in her holly video.
Then she has her sociopath video where she talks about how this guy was manipulative but clearly wasn’t a sociopath. She admits to using drugs, being the other woman to this guy knowingly, having sex with him in public, and giving him money when he wanted drugs because she knew he would get it anyway.
She said all of this because she thought it was a smart thing to do and then when people were like wow that’s fucked up she deleted it and ignored it when people brought it up
That is some high quality milk, anon. You da real MVP
As for Emily's statement that Heroin can be used "recreationally" by "some people"?
COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT
"Heroin is one of the most addictive drugs available. No one intends on becoming addicted to heroin, but many people using it eventually find themselves unable to feel normal without it.
The side effects of heroin use get worse over time. The longer someone uses heroin, the more destruction the drug can wreak on the immune system and internal organs.
The risk for getting both communicable and noncommunicable diseases increases. Prolonged heroin abuse can also lead to heart, lung and liver disease.
Heroin SUPPRESSES BREATHING AND HEART RATES, so there is a high risk of fatal overdose.
Even a nonfatal overdose can cause permanent brain damage or coma."
Sure sounds like some hARmlEss RECREATIONAL FUN.
She's so goddamn hypocritical telling someone else to be mindful of what they say about drugs when she IN THE SAME BREATH denied the dangers of FUCKING HEROIN.
She doesn't defend a purposefully inflammatory looser like Holly out of the goodness of her heart.
She defends Holly because she reminds her of herself.
They're both trying so hard to be true edgelords, as if it's something to fucking aspire to beyond the age of 17.
YEAH Emily, you're SO totes unique and goffic!! ZomG!!!1
EVERYONE, PLz welcome our new heroin-chic qween~!
Emeli dArk'ness Dementia Raven Way!!
that's what I meant, they're both messy asses so Emily probably sees herself in Holly. I'll still never get over how she let a literal 13 year old be bullied and victimised while saying "hollys not that bad uwuuuuu"
if she likes to delete everything and lurks here then it won't be long before that heroin comment is gone.
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OH SOMEONE WANTS EMILY MILK
Let’s talk about how she pretends she used to be a model on boards because sHeS jUsT sO hOTtT
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bitch we can all see your profile pic.
Probably to push her cartoony style
But it just ended up looking distracting
I also noticed that the christmas girl is missing her other finger
Probably because she has no idea of consistency when it comes to drawing.
Also the new year girl looks like she's yawning and I don't know if that was intentional, but they all just look a little dead inside
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They're both fugly, Danica
Apparently the original is from 2004… so 14 years of improvement.
TBH I used to be a fan of Danica Sills (one of the reasons I wanted to pick up watercolours), but after a while her art became so… bland. Like, she never tried anything new. Sure she draws nice hands but all the characters are essentially the same. The designs are always needlessly complex. And it's just very… boring. She stopped improving or changing so there's nothing new to see.
Agreed. Danica keeps talking about 'taking risks' but she doesn't. She really doesn't. She needs to branch out with her style rather than just messing around with "inking with a brush" (because I watched that and it was pretty much exactly like her usual stuff but this time she inked with a tiny tiny brush instead of a micron.
It's sad that the original childhood drawing has more 'character' - the expression! You can see that the fairy has attitude even though it's not as well drawn as the newest one, but in her remake, she loses all sense of life. Like a lot of her characters and designs, it becomes a 'doll', lifeless and pretty. Which is sad because I really liked her at first but she does need to take risks.
The samey subjects and the way she speaks about her art is what drove me away but mostly because of how technical/clinical she speaks. I know that's just how some artists are but it's just boring as sin when it's every, single, video.
It's like all the pieces are there for change and improvement but there's just a bunch of disconnect. She stated several times she wanted to make like, a comic or some illustrated project but hasn't really let herself.
I agree with you on Danica vs Waffles. Waffles really has been seeing a lot of drastic improvement imo. She's not everyone's cup of tea, but I don't think anyone can say she hasn't been improving. Her work is lively and fun, even if some people think it's ugly. I prefer that over pretty but boring.>>341799
To be fair to Danica, she probably feels like she's taking risks. Based on how she talks, I get the sense that she's risk averse, but more analytical. So I think that probably contributes to her willingness to learn, but it being a slow process. Hopefully at some point she'll take bigger risks, especially with things like expression, posing, and subject. I think that she's unlike some artists who are so overly confident that they don't think they need to improve. I actually think she needs more confidence, simply because she obviously wants to improve, but I think she's just stuck or afraid of big risks, maybe a bit afraid of failure? Not to psychoanalyze or anything, that's just how it comes across when I've watched her.
I think Danica wants to improve but won't branch out enough. She has a comfort zone, and even when she says she was trying something new, she often ends up reverting to her comfort zone.
I think that's an issue with being a youtube artist, I guess. She doesn't get the time away to make a bunch of ugly drawings or to do something absolutely out of her comfort zone. There's that analytical side of her that's very techincal, and the part where she feels she needs to make a perfect end piece for every video. Though I think rather than doing the same thing over and over again, viewers would actually like to see her make imperfect art to try and grow as an artist.
Emily deleted this hut someone reuploaded it… she literally talks about her tits and how hot she is for like the first minute. For no reason.
She really isn’t like other girls
She worked in porn… and she chose a high school girl calling her trashy instead of talking about that.
Way to be real emily
I love listening to Arleebean talk. She sounds so genuine and like she just enjoys the process of creating. I'm drawn to her loose style of sketching and painting which is a welcome breath of fresh air compared to the rest of arttube. Her watercolor collection has got to being insanely huge tho with all those paint reviews she does. I used to feel the same way about Minnie until she became a corporate shill/creative process guru.>>341665
Danica…. I expected so much more technical expertise from you. Shame.
Is there anything Kasey doesn't bitch about? Honestly.
And what's funny about her preferring watercolour over anything else is that I think she's actually a lot more talented with other mediums. That one video where she did the same drawing in X different mediums her watercolour was easily the worst of the lot. But she still refuses to ever do more than dumb little challenge videos with anything else.
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How does Kasey feel no shame when she puts 4 ads in an 11 minute video. A video about cheap art supplies no less, I can’t with this woman - she’s single handedly turning away her own viewers with this dickhead move
Waffles art isn’t the best thing in the world, but she really does good and tries new things and learns and isn’t a gimmick.
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These look…pretty bad in general
Their arms look too short, the arms should be in between the crotch area and the ankles right?
And wtf happened to effie's other shoulder??
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Anybody else think Adam from doodle dates art is just… bad not just technically but in every other way too. I feel like he was heading somewhere good like a year or so ago but just nose dived this year
at least Katniss isnt green, as shes described other olive skin in the books too.>>343154
I'm going to be honest, I feel like his art went to shit as soon as he started drawing in a more anime style. Last year when it was just anime influenced it was really cute! Now all he draws are anime girls.
I do think he suffers from inconsistency most of all because he has made some good sketches in some videos, but then there's stuff like your pic that's just… bad.
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Anyone else think it's funny how Baylee can't get consistent views, but Waffles does?
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waffles for comparison
Zozaleenie (makes all her content from her art to vlog music)
Daria Callie (oil painting)
Instagram Artists: (I personally like)
S_unghyeon (literally deserves more followers)
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she changed drastically lmao (in fashion style and personality).
Before I used to really dig her for her chill demeanor and her fashion style. Now, she's dating some dude who talks to her as though she's a child (major DDLG vibes going on), and posing herself as a good Christian with outstanding values.
She still puts on a front as though she's a poor art student, when in reality her and her family are well off, and her youtube cash is just extra spending money for her shitty preppy fashion and vacations. (plus her new apartment is crowded with junk, i feel bad for the cat).
I'd recommend her older vlogs, but the recent ones are the same shit over and over again.
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i feel like kasey puts in more adds in her videos everytime we mention it.. this literally has an add every 3 minutes
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I genuinely feel like Lavendar has regressed. I really enjoyed her comic early on, but her drawings I feel have been getting progressively worse.. her anatomy was never the greatest but her earlier illustrations have so much more life and personality that I could ignore them. But all I can focus on in this video is this goofy ass hand.
I love how she was like "Yes I don't draw scleras… but I want it to look logical, I want it to look real"
pls just add the sclera my dude. I know you're here creepshowart. Just add in the white part. It doesn't even have to be white, make it pink, make it anything but skin colour, you'll be making your art +1 if you do that. Just one lil thing my dude.
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call me crazy but wasn't the caption on this pic something like "learn to draw better necks" or some shit like that?
Her logic doesn't even make sense… Real people have sclera. It's not pure white, no, but they're generally lighter and a different color
than the skin around it.
Not coloring in sclera doesn't make it look "real" or "logical", it just looks like she's lazy and skipped a step.
Tbh, i like the idea of a painting practice book, you don't have to think about what you're gonna draw, you just go in with the paint
But yeah i can see the paper get messy the more you paint>>344171
The way she talked about it at the end made it sound like she's gonna make more videos on it
which is kinda lazy of her
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Kasey ranting on her Insta stories again
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My personal favorite
Yeah god I saw it and cringed. Cmon!
One person wrote to her and she’s “y’ALL need a reality check”.
Does she think the amount of cheap ass supplies really reflects how expedierend she is as an artist?
Also call me hippy but why buy a bunch of cheap 1 dollar plastic palettes that you're just gonna throw away again when you could buy a cleanable quality palette once and save your money + stop wasting unnecessary shit?
I really hate she promotes cheap trash.
I actually don't think she's putting on a voice at all. If you watch her vlogs or streams of videos I think that's… just her voice. Though you are of course allowed to dislike someone's voice.
I think she did address why she calls her partner Mr Honiball a while back because people asked, and I think it had to do with how they met and it being a screen name or something, so the name stuck. No idea if that's true or if I'm mixing it up (like how Rosanna Pansino the baking (or used to be baking) channel called one of her old roommates/partners by their screenname only) It's like if you met an online friend in real life after knowing them under their username for years and years, switching to their irl name could be weird.
Though I guess maybe it's just a thing they do. But yeah circling back to the point, totally understand the grating voice issue.
It just seems so forced. I know that’s how she sound in her vlogs and whatnot, but she wouldn’t be the first person to put on a voice 24/7. It sounds overly childish which I feel ruins a lot of the impact her often solid advice has.
And I guess the name thing makes sense, just comes off as odd - particularly of the last name itself
I know people can't help their accents, but there's just something about the way that she talks, especially when she has a stuffed up nose, that triggers
the shit out of me and makes it hard to watch her videos. Also, I know this doesn't have anything to do with her voice, but her long bouts of no posting was pretty annoying when I was still into her videos and subbed to her. I get she was juggling another project, but she could have a least let her YT audience know before dropping off.
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Here's a screen cap in case she deletes it.
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let's talk about how rae is trying to sell this for $200
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>>345065>i-it got a lot of views on youtube! that makes it valuable!!!
she's fucking retarded. and of course kasey agrees with her.
All of the comments are so frustrating. ‘It’s really good!’ ‘It’s not bad, it doesn’t belong here’ ‘wow, this is good’
Just because something is better than what you can create doesn’t mean the piece itself is good. I couldn’t even it tell it was a peach, it looks like a fucking apple. It looks like something that would’ve been made for a high school class and they maybe got a B.
I really hate how people can’t seem to view artwork objectively, especially when it’s something like realism so there’s no reason they shouldn’t be able to see the flaws
>>345119>It looks like something that would’ve been made for a high school class and they maybe got a B.
That‘s what all her art looks like tbh.
Only that she somehow went to an art school. Yet her art is still nothing more than smudgy pencil redrawings. I really don‘t understand how she has a following as big as she does.
Deep down I think Kasey must be very insecure. Her huge ego and nasty attitude is just a facade. This wouldn't have been the first the she brings this "weh don't attack appearance" thing out of left field on twitter.
She actually posted some old art on twitter and it's amazing to see just how little she's improved. All that's changed is the medium she uses and her style. I actually think her old stuff is cuter.
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We must not be looking at the same art anon, because I don’t see how this is better than her current stuff
It's not perfect, but I prefer it over geometrical triangle noses or whatever the fuck she does now. >>345320
I agree, I do think her linework is good, and I like that she pushed herself to try new things this past inktober like hatching.
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Saw this pop up in my recommended on YouTube, and oh my god waffles faces have gotten so much better than the last time I saw one of her drawings. It’s not longer in that uncanny valley where the eyes would be way too simple for the detailed mouth, it’s actually really charming now and the girl looks super cute. I dig it. Not really milk but I thought it was noteworthy
Lightfastness is a bit different because it takes a while to do a lightfast test on your own. All of the DIY onesI've seen have been conducted over a period of months so I don't expect arttubers to wait upwards of four months to a year or more before posting a review on a product. But it would be nice if more were just honest, rather than just not posting or promoting a product if it is bad or only promoting/posting about a product if it is good.
Lemia is kinda terrible at doing "negative" reviews. Her review of the Van Gogh watercolors was extremely nitpicky, even complaining about the fact that it didn't specify if it was halfpans or fullpans or how they didn't explain what museum conditions were.
The only art tuber I've come across who doesn't have an issue stating when a product is bad is Juicy Ink. She said the Arteza woodless pencils didn't workout for her and showed why and she recommended a hard pass on those artist loft copic knock offs.
yeah this one is a disaster but the animals and other things were less dead eyed and muddy than now.
She had a DA account now that goes pretty far back
Why? Because her Rapunzel has always been a shameless self-insert for her.
That funny looking big mouth is all her. No tea no shade no hate, though.
I happen to think it looks quite charming, in an ugly-cute kind of way.
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Pff, Rapunzel looks very similar to Squirrel Girl
The fact that she started out doing colored eyes (like with an iris) and then made them simplified black dots is really telling about her as an artist. She doesn't have a set style or anything in mind, she just picks whatever stylistic thing she likes out of a hat as she goes.
That really explains why every year it looks like a different person entirely drew it, she's just using style as a crutch to pretend she's improved.
Nah anon, I'm just feeling overwhelmed with all the ads/sponsored videos from all these aesthetic art hoes who all seem to do the same ASMR voice. I feel like the majority of her videos are just a means of selling shit, much like how Minnie's videos seem to be predominantly ads for skillshare and computers. Also, given that she doesn't post consistently and when she does it's only for sponsors it just feels disingenuous. I get YouTube doesn't pay like it used to and sponsors are a big pay day for these artists, but it doesn't mean I can't find it annoying. >>346403
Yeah, that was pretty scummy. I actually tried the mijello paints because she recommended them and they're just okay but nothing to write home about. Many of the colors that should be single pigments have weird combinations like their Ultramarine light and their Yellow Ochre. If I could go back, I would have just purchased a smaller number of tubes from M. Graham or Daniel Smith.
Why are you so triggered
by the word “y’all”? Calm down
I seemed to have remember it wrong, Daler Rowney was around in the 1950’s so I may be thinking of another artist with that, but when a shopowner has a display only item that they don’t intend to sell don’t ‘convince’ them to do so. Brought to light how entitled and spoilt she is, the language used is mild but it’s not hard to imagine that it was just a lot of whining on her and her friends end and the shop owner caved in wanting them to leave.
Don’t get me wrong, I still enjoy her videos and paintings a lot, but her persona is so dull that it’s not only annoying but I don’t see it to be a stretch that her asmr voice isn’t put on and she legitimately drawls each and every syllable.
It’s very mild milk but it really rubbed me the wrong way
Anon YT artist here. W&N refused to pay for those sponsorships, which is probably why people don't work with them often anymore.
(They were up front about not wanting to pay btw, no shade, just people don't like to work for free or just for some supplies)
Well… OKAY I was just speculating, but it's her number 1 favourite princess for a reason, right?
Her favourite colour is purple (like Rapunzel's dress), she kinda looks like Rapunzel with that blonde hair, and they both like art. Plus, she keeps bringing her up in general. So when
I saw this year's Rapunzel look like her in the face I felt like I might be right about it.
But now that I think about it…most of her female characters look like her in the face some way or another…
Did we just uncover a cOnSpIrAcy??
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Poor Steph. whatever she has going on sounds terrifying.
Sure, we haven't got an actual photo or face reveal…but I feel like we have a pretty good idea from watching her draw all her self-portraits and avatars, and this new Rapunzel really reminds me of Waffles.
Like at 5:05 in this video https://youtu.be/pqyS90YY96g
she makes her avatar do the same huge toothy smile, and in this video she drew herself with a very round nose, clear nasolabial folds and dark blondish hair https://youtu.be/jmcPIc_cZn0
Of course, it COULD just be a random style of hers with no connection to her actual looks whatsoever. I'm just a shitposter on lolcow, what do I know.
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Kasey posted this and to be honest it reminded me of racist caricatures
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The only thing I can possibly see you having an issue with is the lips, and they’re just as large as the original post. Also, are we really going to pretend black women don’t more often than not have large lips.
Minnie's entire job is supposed to be Youtube and commissions, yet she barely posts at all (videos or Instagram) and she makes sure to show it off when she draws, to get pats on the back for being "productive" The only thing she seems passionate about is travelling. It must be SO HARD being a stay-at-home artist that can also travel but not as much as she'd like
, I weep for her /s
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I used to follow Hydaen on instagram because I thought they had an interesting style. Yesterday, they were going on and on about not getting enough likes and it just rubbed me the wrong way.
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pt 2. I didn't get the chance to screenshot their instagram story but it was basically the same thing.
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her art isn't that interesting to begin with. Her lineart is always sketchy and halfassed, her characters all look the same, barely any shading and no backgrounds.
I can look up any artist I follow under 1k on twitter and find people levels above her:https://twitter.com/Niall_Himselfhttps://twitter.com/midoriTURTL96
imagine being this entitled to attention when you can't even give your hands the correct number of digits lmao.
like her style is kinda cute but it's nothing special. and if your art is mediocre then to get popular you either need to be an absolute monster at marketing yourself or get lucky.
at this rate minnie won't be done with huevember until march. she really pushed the boundaries of creativity and mood by painting two forms of water with her blue palettes. much artiste. so novel.
in all honesty she sounds depressed af and i bet the reality of being a full time stay at home artist is a far cry from the exciting life she expected it to be. she seemed a lot happier and more creative when she had a part time job that got her out of the house and regularly interacting with other humans that aren't her bf/family.
mini (ha!) sperg incoming
i noticed a change in the tone of her videos after she talked about reading this book mindfulness and the art of meditation (it was from this year so i guess she didn't finish it lol) which is all about shutting up the inner critic and enjoying the process of making art. she seems to be obsessed with that mindset now and has deeply retreated into her comfort zone of buildings and impressionist-ish landscapes and working smaller and smaller (ha!) despite saying in her 2018 art goals video that she wanted to work bigger and more experimental. she's built up this persona as an authority on creativity and productivity but none of that is reflected in the relatively little work she has produced this year. she had so much potential and opportunity to be great but her fear of being uncomfortable with her art and potentially producing something ugly and non-aesthetic has stuck her in a hugbox.
Piggy backing off of her rant, why do so many less than stellar artists have huge audiences? I get that marketing is key, but surely people are sick of seeing the same pretty girl portraits done in copic/watercolour/digital, that are done in one of five styles. It seems that the less experimental or daring the artist the more likely they are to gain a huge following, which I would understand if it’s just art consumers but the huge bulk of their following will be other artists
Is there even any chance if you’re not a mediocre illustrator that never leaves their comfort zone of women?
I've seen plenty of mediocre artists have 1000+ followers. It's crazy! But they tend to be young artists and they tend to be in fandoms so that tends to boost their active followers counts.
But usually if they're really into producing that mediocre art, their skills skyrocket like mad and then they stop being mediocre and start being good.
Though yeah pretty damn sure complaining about not getting followers or likes on twitter is kind of petty. Social media isn't kind to artists and honestly looking at how many mediocre artists get famous on youtube we gotta stop thinking followers/popularity = good art
Speaking on social media in general, I think it has a lot to do with attention spans. The way most people thumb through IG and Twitter, they're looking for something immediately interesting that they can look at for 5 seconds, like and move on with their lives. Interesting/experimental/scenic pieces are usually only valued by other artists, and other artists are extremely picky about who they like/follow, since they're surrounded by so many other artists.
thanks for coming to my ted talk
Let me get out my crystal ball;
- Lavender’s channel slows down and possibly even starts to lose subscribers
-Minnie goes on hiatus
-Baylee starts to try for a baby
-Creepshow’s channel blows up, lots of milk
-Kasey ruins starts beef with another artist, even more milk!
- Waffles will unfortunately improve in one area greatly but then another will suffer - I’ve seen her do this for years, it’s genuinely upsetting since I root for her
- Some small watercolour YouTuber will probably suddenly gaining traction
- Copics/watercolour are out - gouache is in! And for the braver channels, acrylics
- and the rest of the channels won’t be noteworthy other than someone posting; ‘what do you guys think of so and so?’
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Adam's gone full weeb but I actually dig it. I think the reason his digital art looks wonky is because he's not used to tablets yet. His traditional art looks better.
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I feel like the more Weeb he gets, the creepier his drawings become. I miss that cartoon character he used to draw for his book, it’s all scantily clad animus that just keep getting younger. It’s a bit unnerving tbh
It’s not even good Weeb trash
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And drawing schoolgirls kissing also comes a bit creepy when you’re a grown man drawing them
That doesn’t mean that it isn’t creepy? They’re not even good drawings though, they’re a sweet couple but his art is just your average white often pedobaiting moe shit
Honestly the way he looks fits his art to a t
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Yep. Definitely the new Holly
In a way it does but not really. Creepshow is just tryna be edgy when really she looks retarded af. I understand admitting mistakes and all is a virtue but theres a degree on how much someone can use that before it becomes jarring.
I cant believe im saying this but Creepshow is worse than Holly when it comes to a few things. Holly is super lazy and tries to cut so many corners its ridiculous but this girl I say is worse. Like she doesnt even TRY to make her art better and push herself just a little bit. Most artist if they see something is off in their work will try to edit or redo it to some capacity. Creepshow doesnt she just leaves things as is and is like "im too lazy". Holly would do wonky ass hands and feet, but at LEAST they were there. Creepshow just REFUSES to do anything that takes little work.
And what adds to her lazy entitlement is the fact she browses and occasionally post on lolcow. She thinks just because she is on here it makes her one of "us" and she can act as callous as she pleases. Like a ImNotLikeTheOtherArtists.
Sorry about the rant guys but these edgy ass youtube artist are grinding my gears lately. I usually think they're entertaining with how annoying they are, but its getting too cringey at this point. Idk if any of this made any sense but I just had to vent a bit.
This just in, no one other than teenagers are allowed to draw teenagers kissing.>>348289>Pedobaiting
you keep using that word but I don't think you know what it means.
no, she's trying WAY too hard to seem ~not like other art tubers~ like saying lolcow's criticism is good and how she totally appreciates being called out and all this shit, and that she doesn't make excuses. >>348289
he's just a weeb, not the devil. just because he drew 2 schoolgirls giving each other a peck doesn't make him the next shadman. chill out.
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It’s not just that pic specifically, it’s the array of school age looking girls that are very obviously sexualised. Weeb’s should stop getting passes for being creeps
Also, of all the teenagers to draw kissing it just happens to be schoolgirls in their uniforms with one of them grabbing the others ass? Yeah, not fetishising at all
Also can’t tell if it’s shit rendering of the skirts are sheer and that really is the outline of their asscrack
Majority of their audience is school age too which just makes it weirder
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ikr even ignoring the loli shit his art really sucks
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i-it's just practice
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Maybe I've just spent too much of my youth weebing about, but I see not much wrong with depicting baby-faced animu adults with pear shaped bodies. Like I wouldn't call sonico a loli just because she has big ol anime eyes lol.
Girls with those features is what I'm saying I guess. Also t. draws cute baby faced twinks sometimes so I may just be triggered
>>348517>with those features exist
Fuck sorry phoneposting
I should also add I agree his art is mediocre at best.
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i posted this artist in the last thread, posting her again because the content keeps coming. it's an imgur album so i don't have to spam the thread with screenshots:https://imgur.com/a/OEQQKQp
one of the true hallmarks of an artcow: U STOLE MUH STYLE!!! "show me whose art i stole" literally all anime ever? it's fine if your style is derivative but she's so pressed about everything being "stolen". what a delusional bitch.
thanks for the milk, anon.
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Primteaa (on instagram) is also a terrible artist. she had a side account but deleted it, ranted non stop about people stealing her atystle (literally just beige colored furry sonas) she faked being put into a mental hospital and posted poorly drawn self harm artwork on her side account which people thought were stretchmarks and i assume thats why she deleted that account. she manipulates younger people who just think her art is aestehtic
More from gothcell/egospit.
I really hate this bitch’s personality. She’s even worse on her private, glamorizing self harm and eating disorders.
Get the fuck over yourself, you didn’t invent crackhead girls with bob cut, putting words or pictures in your drawings.
Every edgy alternative teenager has done/still does that, including me when I was that age.
wow, thanks for those caps. added them to the imgur album.>>348684
they're all edgy teenangers who thinks she's cool for being a suicidal bitch, something she's acknowledged before. lolcow isn't letting me upload pics for some reason so here: https://i.imgur.com/1ZuNBS0.png
It’s like, 98% of ideas are unoriginal or inspired by something else and there’s literally nothing wrong with that. On top of that, you can’t steal a style. How else would art movements happen if no one ever was inspired or borrowed from anyone?
It’d be different if someone was stealing her OCs or storylines or whatever. But she just bitches about people “copying” her style. A style that’s not even that unique to begin with.
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Do you guys remember owlygem aka snapesnogger from a million years ago? I stumbled across her twitter today. Her art is still as ugly as ever, I wonder if she's still as much of a cow as she used to be.
DA Points?? That's where she gets her money? Hm, I assumed she must be getting lots of commissions since she says she's always busy with them in her videos.
Yeah I forgot to mention the homeless thing, she wasn't even homeless. She had a place to stay which was the garage. Sure it's not ideal but it's better than actually you know, being put out on the street and having to stay in a shelter. >>348804
I've never heard of this artist but I honestly think she has a good sense of coloring, very bright and eye-catching but uh, that's just me lol. I've seen far more unpleasant art styles that that, her's isn't so bad though I'm not a Steven Universe fan so yeah, that's probably why I never came across her stuff if that was what she was known for.
she was a typical DA brat who absolutely could not handle constructive criticism of any kind. her days as an art cow are long over though, I think.
From what I understand she primarily does paypal commissions and sometimes opens them up for da points that will transfer to the same amount.
She also has about a billion commissions in her queue because she will open up for commissions, make everyone pay as soon as they order, let her queue get ridiculously long, and then not start on most people's commissions for a long-ass time because she has too many commissions and personal pieces to get through first. She also regularly does on-stream commissions because the way she has her system set up means she doesn't have a regular influx of cash; she gets her cash in large bursts when her comms are first opened. Once she runs out she has to do stream commissions, which means she isn't working on her regular commissions.
I also really dislike that her way of explaining the whole homeless thing went from "we're going to be homeless" to "we were homeless for three days" to "we were homeless for a month" in this most recent video. They really did think that they were going to be out on the street and didn't know where they were going to stay for about three days, but they were then offered the garage. They never were homeless but I was perfectly fine with her saying "nearly homeless" or "I thought we would be homeless." I guess that wasn't dramatic enough for her though.
Yeah I haven't really kept up with her much but I check in on her like once a year or so and every time I do she's picked a new fandom to draw like one thing from over and over. I guess she does get bored because once she drives something into the ground enough she's on to another one.
I still don't really like her style, I never have, but that's preference I guess.
Ah okay, got ya. >>348879
Jeez really? I do commissions on the side and while I don't get billions, I make sure to get them done as quickly as I can without creating a huge backlog. I just feel that can lead to problems and having angry customers. I actually went to visit her commission price guide as I've actually never seen it before to see how much a commission runs from her and um… All I can say is that people are willing to pay that much even for a lineart?
This is definitely down to preferences because I personally think her art isn't worth that much but obviously there are people who think otherwise so can't mess with sucucess. The only thing I like about her art is her coloring. But I just can't seem to get into how she draws characters, everything looks so… Rounded? I'm not sure.
And yeah, I mean if she just said she was "nearly homeless" or "Close to being homeless", I wouldn't have a problem with that because that was true but in the video, she said she was homeless (if I remember) and that's what annoyed me because they weren't, they were just living in a smaller space but again, it's better than wandering the streets. >>348976
Like I said, it's cool that her husband doesn't seem to mind since he makes enough money for the both of them now but I just wish she was more self-aware that her situation is a rarity, especially in this day and age. If she didn't have Cody, she wouldn't have been able to be a self-employed artist. She's putting lots of stock into her book that's supposed to come out this year and all I can say is I wonder if it'll be any good.
And I mean, art can pay for rent but only if you're actually good and in demand (or draw lots of porn lol I've seen some adult artists make bank lol). I just don't think Michie is that much in demand and she says she doesn't draw porn so this is why I thought she was embellishing a bit.
Well someone can be considered homeless if they are doubled up, meaning they are unable to maintain their housing situation and leave with a series of friends/extended families. Obviously she didn’t mean it in this sense and that she was a bum on a street, to which she isn’t, but I thought it would be nice to add in this information since there’s a difference. >>348982
Her art is honestly unappealing when she rounds it and makes them all chibis. Her adoptable video shown a pretty decent style that I wish she would bring back. But now she seems to be working on a story which I’m interested in because I wanna see how she uses her life experiences to tell this story. I don’t expect much but she seems to hype it up
If you want to link a YT video, put the link in the YT section below the Imgur URL.
I honestly don't mind appelminte's art, I think her drawing's look cute.
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Here’s an example of weird coloring from Twisted. Basically she learned basic anime and shitty beginner digital artist short cuts and then stopped trying.
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Okay, but fuck gothcell/egospit/spitcell or whatever the fuck her name is.
Seriously. Shut the fuck up or take about something else for once. Or don’t post your art online.
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She’s definitely trying to do the barachan “crystal” coloring style but like with no knowledge of how it looks good. Like this isn’t even a recent barachan but u can see how the coloring flatters the volume and the hair whereas that deku just has like a weird texture
Ah okay, that's what you meant. Yeah it does look a bit sloppy looking and would look better if the shading was crisper and not rounded. >>349319
which is dumb because she's not nor will she be the last who draws alternative girls. She needs to get off her high horse, her stuff is not as original as she thinks it is. There are plenty of Tumblr Artists who more-or-less do the same thing. >>349323
Whoa that's the style of coloring she's trying to emulate? She definitely needs to practice more on it then. That example looks really pretty and the colors are so uniformed.
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Does LavendarTowne actually know what cute girls look like? Because it ain’t this.
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Samefag, by every time I’m recommended a new one I’m astounded by her lack of taste
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the only one that's kind of cute is the monster energy girl>>349397
i wish lavender did more art that isn't in her signature anime/adventure time mashup style. she can make some pretty nice art, pic related. she's limiting herself and it's sad
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Does anyone know what condition Waffles has? I knew she was ill but didn't know she was Make-A-Wish ill.
She qualified when she was 14?
I thought this disease was newly discovered.
Maybe it returned or something?
Yeah you're right, I went back to take a look at Twisted's gallery and for every piece that have some good color composition, there are others that just… Clash way too much but to be fair, a lot of them are commissions so maybe the fault falls more on the the people who commission her and are most likely younger people in middle school or high school and aren't too knowledgeable with color theory. But maybe I'm being too generous. >>349396
I've only seen like one video from LavendarTowne and she was tracing something but I never actually watched or looked at her art and uh… If that's her idea of "cute", I'm lost… >>349412
Whoa, now that's more like it. She totally should do more stuff like that, looks very nice.
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Slight derail but I dislike this attitude that criticizes artists for depicting unnatractive people as tumblr-y or pandering. Some of us either see beauty in ugly things (cheesy as it sounds) or are fucking uggos ourselves and are comfortable depicting that since it's something we're used to seeing.
God forbid you draw brown people with big noses and crooked teeth because we definitely don't exist. Only dainty models are human.
Also don't see anything wrong with fat characters tbqh.
That's a cool painting, anon. Who's it by?
I agree on your point too. I particularly get peeved by people claiming reddish-hued noses are Tumblr-y. People's noses often ARE redder than the rest of their face, because blood collects there. A slight blush on the nose is fine.
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It's by Jenny Saville! I love how she paints flesh/the female form. Grody but beautiful.
And I agree, same with a slight red tint on the extremities. Of course amateurs and kids take it pretty extreme and get picked on for that, but that's the same with anything. Beginners don't start out balancing everything perfectly, there's a whole road of learning. Also think it's cool for beginning artists to depict "ugly" people early so they can skip over the sameface struggle early.
I've seen on the ugly Tumblr art kiwifarms thread explaining that also there's a reason why faces reach a certain uncanny valley - exaggeration or over detailing of facial features - mouth, nose and eyes. If you exaggerate the size of the eyes (but keeping stylised) and leave the mouth and nose simple and relatively small, you have anime face, for example. Young artists trying to find their style usually exaggerates and over details two or the three facial features altogether. Most of them come from Tumblr though, either be a style choice they purposefully want or just copying everyone else because diverting from the traditional cartoon/anime pretty face is hip and cool.
IMHO waffle's stuff aren't tumblr-ish because there's no fake woke intentions there. Her dark skinned characters are original content, not a bastardised version of white Japanese characters or pulled out of the ass headcanons.
The faces she draws, in my opinion, have a charming to it. The classical beauty seen in art (old and new) has everyone with a calm smile or expressionless face (see Instagram). She draws people with a big ol' smiling showing teeth. While some of the faces she draws rubs me off in the wrong way, I can see she's genuinely trying to grow as an artist while bringing something uncommon and not trying to pass herself as superior for drawing diversity (that is the intention of a lot of Tumblr artists)
Just because she addresses her own problems and shitty behavior does not absolve her from her shitty behavior and allows her to be able to talk edgy on this subject.
"no one's gonna say it so I will!"
She really thinks she's hot shit just because she brings these forums up lmao.
The thing is, she's not wrong. "It's our personalities." It absolutely IS their personalities, ability to market, etc. The reason people are drawn to these mediocre art youtubers is because they'd rather watch someone make edgy jokes or goof off while drawing instead of watching an educational tutorial.
Some words that stuck with me from a professional was the importance of networking. He told me he made it further than his far more talented colleague simply because he was pushier about his art.
The squeaky wheel gets the oil, unfortunately. Skill doesn't matter on youtube if you don't have that quirky attitude. But, in that case, do their fans really care about their art?
we GAVE her that point right here: >>347783
she showed the comment above it but not the response that she based her entire video off of lmao. she did not come up with this argument herself, so you can retract your head from her asshole now.
Does she even interact with other art youtubers? Like, honestly, the only reason she got popular is because she rode the Holly drama train and made a couple mediocre videos about it. And the majority of the art Youtube avoid Holly like a leper, so I'm not sure how long she thinks she can ride the drama gravy train when there's hardly anything to talk about anymore. The main way art youtubers leverage themselves is to talk to, collab with or befriend other artists to keep each other relevant. Creepshow just talks about other artists like
she knows them, and acts like she can speak on the topic with any authority when really she just the peanut gallery.
Maybe she thought she could wiggle herself into Holly's spot because Holly's gone quieter lately and that she could pick up on some of that "edge" to get people's attention.
Either way you slice it, it's a pretty pathetic strategy and it isn't sustainable.
Im gonna say this, both Holly and Spechie are retards, but I think Creepshow has more awareness. The more we talk about her on lolcow the more she can just piggyback and use our ideas. I would say the video is bait in a way because its so dry and irrelevant.
Creepshow, yes, you. You cant be both a lolcow farmer and a edgelord artuber at the same time. Pick one or the other (or none preferably), because all its gonna do is bite you in the ass. Soon no side is gonna respect you (lolcow already doesnt, but you know.)
I feel like no matter how milky this bitch gets, making a her a thread will just cause her to get the attention she wants. It will fuel her #NotLikeTheOtherArttubers ego.
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two soulless content creators debate which clickbait title to use
>>350219>but I think Creepshow has more awareness.
This aspect is kind of what makes her most insufferable to me though. It's like anyone who has awareness and is blatantly honest about doing something strictly for views or because they were lazy, etc. They think it gives them a pass from criticism and makes them unlike "all the other youtubers/online personalities" because they're real and they're admitting it, but they're doing nothing to add any sort of creativity to their work or amending their lazy habits even if they realize they do these things. Yeah, you can acknowledge it to have "real" points (in the same way that some people preach the whole "I'm not mean, I'm just honest/blunt!" No you're still a raging asshole and very insufferable, you just don't want to be called out for it or think you're above it because you 'speak your truth'), but it's pointless as fuck if you're not going to do anything about it. A little off topic but, it's kind of why I don't like youtubers like Ryan Trahan. They're not genuine as it is, but try to play the "Yeah I did this for views/I want views/etc." angle and it comes off as even scummier. I know that inherently, anything a person does (especially if it's online) IS for attention, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it really just makes it come off like the ONLY reason you're making videos or doing art is to get attention or praise and not because it's something you also enjoy and want to spend your time doing. And why would I want to watch someone spend time doing something they feel obligated to do, just to watch them regurgitate the same ideas for videos or continue drawing the same shitty stuff with the knowledge that it's shitty just because they're "relatable" for it?
Oo I triggered
the fine art poser. Just because someone is highly recognized does not put them above criticism..
nta, but what even was your criticism? If you don't want people painting ugly or
pretty people, what do you want? Only average?
Tbh I'm into that, too.
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Off topic, sorry but, idk how this bitch has almost 20k with art like this. Yeah, the face is ~aesthetic~ but lord, that hand and arm
Tbh, I just don’t think she knows how to draw anything besides crackhead girls faces.
I haven’t seen her draw or even try to draw anything else.
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22.4k followers and her art looks like this..i swear it used to be good but now were going down hill.
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Yeah see she used to have some anatomy and although the mouth looks a bit weird it still has nice form and styleization.
yikes I cannot believe people are defending this
I mean for starters its just like, ugly art
hahahaha the "uguuuuu feel sorry for me I am so down on myself :'( validate me that my poorly drawn foundationless animu scribbles are worth something :'(" post was actual insight, she should meditate on that instead of asking for asspats lol>>348718
this one hahahaha
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Omg let it go.
taking inspiration isn’t the same as stealing others work, get over yourself!!!
Another gem from gothcell/egospit/spitcell
No, the camgirling came after she got clean. She was on heroin for a very short while, after that short while, she was on YouTube under the name emily sugarfruit. I know this because I was a fan of that channel and if you find her deviant art at the time, she talks about how she has recently just gotten clean and sober.
As emily sugarfruit, she reviews anime, dances in a bikini, and did a whole video naked in a bathtub. She also wrote an entire comic based off of one piece so she could fuck the main character.
Not to mention bully Other female reviewers and tell them they weren’t hot enough to be as popular as she was.
That was what she did on heroin.
She then got clean, started to be a cam girl and then started doing storytimes, which she said she created and now gets mad at any other youtuber who tries.
She is a cow who likes to pretend she’s better than everyone and has her shit together.
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There's this "draw in your style" challenge going on Instagram and Jacqueline redrew someone's fat character and… She just Frankensteinsed a skinny girl's head and neck into a fat body. Girl I know you can do better.
Not only all that, but she also slapped those random tattoos all over her, the original didn't have any. Jacquelin, it's okay if you draw a girl that DOESN'T have tattoos all over for once! It's not OOC (or out-of-brand, if you will) It's way more boring when she's incapable of adding them on every single thing she draws (same with Danica and her feathery/ flowy hair and clothing on everyone and everything)
Nitpick aside, I think her neck placement is wrong, aren't the shoulders ridiculously different in length?
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Why do some white artist who draw black characters with ashy brown skin? It screams that they never saw a black person in real life
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What are your opinions on commission prices these days? I recently came across this artist doing chibis for $45 with minimal shading and flat colors.
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Anyone else dislike Shan Murphy? (formerly acornfriend on Twitter) It's absolutely inexplicable to me as to how she can be a "pro" colorist and cartoonist with one of the ugliest art styles I've ever seen and muddy ass colors. I'll readily admit I'm jealous of her popularity and I completely don't understand it.
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One of her most recent pieces
omg so bad>>351379
I like her style and I can understand why she's popular. Her art pieces have a vintage feel to them and the muddy colors fit very well with this kinda style
I get that but look at the level of polish in the piece. The artist didn't even color within the lines in some places.
If you're going to take someone's money you should at least put in the effort to deliver some degree of polish. It's not even a matter of skill it's just a lack effort on the artist's part.
omg stop with this attitude. nta, but meh artfags with an okay following always raise their prices to try to compete with the big players. higher price indicates higher demand.
i have a little more of a problem with artists lowballing though, but no one is pissy cause it's too expensive for them to buy, it's because the community needs to kind of work together.
supply and demand, if the artist has that many people clamoring over wonky looking chibis at 45 bucks then good for them. i'd never pay that, but i wouldn't pay for a lot of expensive artists because i don't like their art, regardless of price. they might have people queuing down the block for it. example, holly brown started taking commissions for 20 a pop and i would never pay any amount for her stuff, but she has like 10 people on her waitlist right now because, in spite of my opinion, there's demand for her work.
generally, the more demand there is for your work, the more you raise your prices. some people just highball it because they think they're worth that much (and they may be right or wrong), but a lot of the time the prices are due to the demand. you might look at a shitty MS paint chibi and think it's shit but there might be 20 people in that person's inbox frothing for one.
oops sorry anon >>351429
here, meant to reply to >>351416
I can't speak for others but my comment(>>351405)wasn't so much about the pricing as much as the lack of effort. I agree that art pricing should match the demand and if a less skilled artist somehow manages to create a high demand for their artwork then they're completely justified in charging as high a price as people are willing to pay.
But there's a difference between low skill and low effort. The former is fine but the latter is what bothers me. I don't think it's that unreasonable to expect people to put effort into a piece they charged money for. I'm not even talking about having amazingly detailed rendering or anything like that. Just basic stuff like coloring within the lines.
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Hi I’m OP, and it seems to be their artstyle. That messy, not completely coloring in the lines thing. Here’s more examples if you need and their name is revolocities on twitter
wow i really didn't know this kind of site existed until one of my followers sent this to me but, yeah i understand how i could come off as being pushy to the storeowner but it really wasn't like that, when the store owner told me that the palette wasn't for sale I immediately respected that and just took pictures of it on my phone and got ready to purchase some other art supplies but he started talking to my friend in Turkish and my friend told me he would be willing to sell it to me since he could tell i loved the palette so much and that the shopowner said i had reminded me of him when he was younger. He also ended up inviting me to do a workshop at the store next time I would be in Istanbul after I showed him my sketchbook I had on me. I just really didn't think people would perceive it as me bullying the store owner …
and also about the whole anger towards sponsored videos, I think it's super understandable that it seems like thats just the type of content I and others make nowadays but I think it's important to be empathetic. I'm a full time student working three other jobs other than YouTube so when there's an opportunity to be sponsored, especially from a fine, unproblematic, and actually helpful brand or company, it helps a lot. Art Youtubers really don't come across a lot of opportunities to be sponsored or get paid to do certain videos like beauty/gaming channels do since we're such a niche community. Again, I can see how annoying it can be for each video to be perceived as an ad but talking about a company for 15 seconds and then going on with the rest of the video to help pay for tuition is something I'm really grateful for. And I always urge my viewers to check out my instagram for more art content outside of Youtube because that's the only thing I have time for when I'm in uni.
Don't mean to sound overly defensive and I get where you all are coming from but I think it's just important to hear the other side too since damn this thread is really scary haha.
(p.s. can't really do anything about my dull personality though, i'm just a really private person who would rather have my videos be more instructional than in-your-face entertaining. also uni + work has wittled me down to a skeleton)
but on another note, reading yours (and others) criticisms are helpful, I'll keep your comments in mind! and believe me, as grateful as I am for my sponsorships, I also miss making videos and content for the hell of it, it's just so so so hard when you have a whole packed life outside of YouTube. ((P.p.s. Yes I actually do use skillshare! It's helped a lot for when I have to learn programs I don't know how to use for arch school, so not disingenuous at all, i actually believe in them)
anyways anyways.yeah. tldr: didn't mean for my words/personality/actions in my videos to upset anyone
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I’d say a lot of people don’t seem to understand that art of any kind is a luxury item that is there to enrich lives but isn’t necessary, as posts like this one illustrate; https://www.reddit.com/r/ChoosingBeggars/comments/ae18ta/this_guy_gets_it/?sort=controversial
People need to stop expecting artwork to cost the same amount something from Target would cost, it’s not mass produced and you don’t NEED it. If you can’t afford someone’s commission prices, don’t buy it, people shouldn’t expect others to underprice themselves just because they find a sum ridiculous. I’m sick to death of consumers expecting everything to be cheap regardless of quality and/or sparseness
i like this cat drawing but >>351382
there are so many anatomy and perspective mistakes i might come back with this in the redraw/correction thread because it's just too much to write about here without looking like a complete sperg. ill link when i do.
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Unpopular Opinion: I do not understand the hype over kelogsloops. I appreciate his videos way more than most YouTube artists and it’s obvious he’s skilled at the art he does but it’s literally the same faced girls with eurocentric features being swaddled by gold flowy shit against a blue background. There’s no creativity or change in what he produces and although he markets himself well, there’s no substance.
I feel like it really comes down to the clientele. Yeah I think some people may overcharge for their stuff like I mentioned with Twisted Disaster's prices but if there are people actually paying that much for their art then I guess what works, works even if you don't personally believe it's worth that much.
Like for example, say the person who made that art was complaining that she gets a lack of commissions then yeah, it could just be she's delusional and may need to decrease her prices a bit to get more sales. >>351443
Never heard of this artist but I can see why she would be in demand for people who are fans of the anime style lol.
I mean Picasso stuck to cubism and Yayoi Kusama just does dots
At the end of the day, art is a vocation and a passion, it seems like this person has found what they enjoy and profit from doing and are focusing improvements on where they want to (technique, concept etc)
It's different when you have an artist who claims to be the best who can't draw something basic, but it seems like this person is happy in their comfort zone and just teaching stuff they have a hold of.
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I want to draw a lot more myself because 2018 was a horrible year in terms of the amount of art I actually did. Easily my worst year so I'm going to fix that this year. Other than that, just practice on my anatomy. >>351832
I actually still use my DeviantART when I upload work. I know DeviantART gets a bad rap but if you ignore the BS, it's a pretty awesome site and I always preferred it more than Tumblr because I like how it's built to encourage social interaction. >>351804
TwistedDisaster is such a mixed bag for me because I don't mind listening to her stories while I'm driving home from work but I agree, some of the stories are getting very… Weird almost to the point of not believable or exaggeration. I started feeling this way ever since her "Wow 2018 Sucks" video. When she got to the part where she said people told her that she and her husband need to be "Sterilized", I "noped" right there. I cannot believe someone would actually say something like that. The belittling of her freelance art job, being told they need to move out, etc. Yeah I can believe that but "Sterilized", yeah no. Either she's lying or she's exaggerated.
I miss DA. I improved so much while I was active on that site because people actually gave harsh/honest critiques. All I get on other websites as are likes and the occasional generic comment, and not a lot of them either because I still haven't gotten good at the whole being noticed on ig/twitter thing.
Sometimes I wish that I was relevant enough to have anons tear my work apart so that I could know what areas need improvement because I'm seriously lost right now.
I've gotten really good at drawing flowers, plants, insects and people from a couple of generic angles and… that's it.
Also, even though I draw a lot of varied faces I feel I focus so much on making everyone beautiful that my work ends up lacking substance. But when I try to draw average/ugly people it just ends up looking uncanny.
I'm thinking of just going back to the basics this year and just doing a bunch of studies, but I'm having a hard time escaping my comfort zone.
That's really good advice, actually. I think I'll try some technical drawings for a bit.
I feel like I improved a lot on my first few years of drawing, and after that I sort of just stagnated. There are drawings I made 4 years ago that are better than the things I'm drawing now and that's seriously embarrassing.
He's just generally kind of an elitist in the utau community, making fun of how people make their voicebanks and also taking old utau and "redesigning" them like he's some sort of utau savior. It's not milk but that's why I have beef with him.
Anyway if you're gonna spend $45 there's someone on Twitter with a similar style but cleaner and actually shaded like pic related
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forgot to add pic>>351920
utau is a program that's sorta like vocaloid except you can make your own voice sing in the program. As such there's a shitton of utau out there some good, many terrible and a lot of people think they're better than the next person for this or that reason
there is so much elitism regarding voicebank recording methods, what mic to use, how many pitches to record, design, tuning.
Recently there was a plugin released that tuned usts(the files that make the utau sing) automatically and there was drama in the comments because it was "cheating"
This is going back years, but I remember DA either was getting really strict on erotic art or attempted to ban it entirely, so a large portion of the community moved to SheezyArt (rip you furry website, you) which then eventually banned erotic art itself, which resulted in a different website being created….
This all went down over a decade ago, so my memory of the events are spotty. I also remember a lot of drama going on with the dA community itself but I couldn't tell you what happened besides one of the people who founded it ragequitting.
Basically I'm not sure it's any one thing; dA's reputation was nose-diving by the mid-aughts.
I haven't been on it in a long time, but one thing that helped me a lot was joining groups. Especially those where you have to make an OC for said group.
I'd get like 100 new followers every time I submitted my character sheet to a new group and then a dozen more every time I made artwork for it. A bunch of group members would end up drawing my OCs too without me even asking them too, which also generated a lot of traffic back to my account because when they submitted their pieces people wanted to check out the person that had been responsible for creating said character.
I really enjoyed being a part of that community so I was very friendly to other members, which meant that I would sometimes get invited to join more exclusive groups. Those more exclusive groups had bigger followings because they were mostly compromised of artists that were more popular than me, which meant that joining those got me more followers than I'd get from joining a regular group. Also since those popular artists were often times more skilled than me it made me want to work harder at drawings because I didn't want my art to look crappy in comparison to theirs.
A lot of people seemed to be intimidated by OC groups in general because they assume it means you have to RP, but really a lot of people don't really RP at all and it's mostly a bunch of random head-canons. Or sometimes people will want to "RP" in drawing form rather than writing (kinda like working on a joint comic)
Have since stopped doing that because it was a huge time commitment and also a lot of the good friends I met on DA started leaving the site so it just wasn't all that fun anymore.
I dont think anyone should rebuild a da account at this point the site has crumbled a lot even though da has tried to crack down on fetish art it still pops up on the main page so no one checks the main page anymore they're in the process of making it updated but its been so long since they last update the look of the site the whole userbase is kinda fragmented,, like people enjoy the update but a lot of users dont like it (the only way to even view the update is to have a core account)
the only way to 'get noticed' on da lately is to post to like 100s of groups and not many people watch groups for art anymore,,
ive tried posting every day and adding tags and just wasnt noticing any improvement in my engagement,,
if there are art theives on da the only people who can make a report against them are the original artist and sometimes they dont have da accounts so its a pain in the neck to make a da just to get rid of the stolen artwork,,
these problems and a lot more are why i left da starting this year,,
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Is it just me or the light source is all over the place?
I'm not getting a sense of flow with this picture. My eye just kind of goes all over the place with it, it may be that it's too cluttered and there's too many lines going in too many directions.
Like, if the bunny were outlined more clearly or the trees didn't have such stark black (like if it were more faded/washed into the bg) there'd be a better sense of distinction, but here everything seems a bit too saturated. My eye goes right to the yellow on the right. The shadows on this are clunky and don't help, but that isn't the first thing that I find that's amiss, it's the lines.
more revo milk i literally never see anyone talk about because it's kind of old (these years seem to be wiped from tumblr or something, but he went by rebellioustroll at the time)…. his old art style was a direct ripoff of a japanese artist who went by "uracata" on tumblr and he even lied about being friends with her.
here's revo's side http://revolocities.tumblr.com/post/132777144066/concerning-some-issuesplease-read
but uracata used to have an entry on her tumblr detailing the events differently and how she was still getting harassed like a year+ later by his friends and fans
i also remember, from when i used to follow him, at some point he flipped out on a follower for making a pixel sprite version of one of his drawings as a gift to him and instead of responding kindly or thankfully he flipped out on them for copying his art lmao. really ironic considering he was copying at the time…..
More recent drama is people calling him out for drawing nsfw-ish art of the player characters in Pokémon. He also drew art of a dead guy shitting his pants, which a lot of people got upset about.
I don’t think there’s much else to say about Kendy, he’s just a weirdo fundashi.
The magic with modern DA is to just watch artists whose work you like. You can do this by joining groups. I would say just use the browse feature but yeah, you'll mostly just see the MS Paint stuff because it's mostly done by kids who have all the free time to spend constantly uploading new pics whereas the actual stuff you want to see can get buried hence why groups are a great way to discover new artists. That or trying out the thumbshare forum. >>351955
It was Tumblr first then followed by Patreon lol.>>351958
I feel like another sole reason was that a lot of people who used the site back in the day were middle schoolers to teenagers and at the time there weren't many competing sites. Fast forward to the late early 2010s and Tumblr gets more recognized followed by Twitter, Instagram, and Patreon and the artists who got their start on DeviantART during the earliest years eventually migrated to Tumblr, Twitter, etc.
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it's just an updated version of the old site not really a new one,,
A lot of people have been accusing it of being an art station copy (I believe)
The example I'm showing is not my da page I don't even have a core membership it's just one i found while googlinghttps://www.deviantart.com/fairloke/art/How-DeviantART-Eclipse-should-have-been-773699472
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i don't know if this belongs in here, since tokimekiwaku is (was?) a tumblr artist not a yt one.
i used to really like her art when i was an active tumblr user, i checked back on her blog and her style has really changed. it's so plain and ugly now and the character's heads all look strangely flat. just wanted to bitch about it bc it made me sad.
(new art is top row, old is bottom)
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Does every single female character really need to be turned into a pinup anime girl. I mean fucking really. Of all the things in the world, why a toddlers show about a dog.
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lol well i thought it was cute tbh
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When I see this all I can see is shit like this that’s usually drawn, just tamer. Why won’t people stop sexualising kids shows
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it's like he predicted rae's future lol
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Does anyone else dislike VCR-Wolfe? I see her art all the time and she's so fucking annoying. It wouldn't bother me that she's yet another they/them genderfluid asexual(but not really) artist pretending to not be white, who makes all of her characters mentally ill gayboi genderfluid furry degenerates if she didn't have such a huge equally obnoxious following of artists who do the exact same thing in the exact same style
Their inability to make art without the chromatic aberration edges is pitiful.
Also it's not 'cute' to romanticize mental disorders. I hate this drawing. It's so their followers can go "oh, same!",
And yeah they're an asshole, I seem to remember there being milk on em but I can't remember what it was a bout or where I found it. It was a lot of IRL bullshit iirc.>>352903
I favor hot press, because I like drawing on smooth paper for the inital sketch, and I hate the smudging cold press bumps tend to give me, but lately I've been using cold press just to get used to it. I do like the overall texture. If the paper has SOME tooth but not too much it's fine. >>352912
i use the fluid hot press, but only the 100% cotton kind. It seems to work well though my problem with that brand is some of the blocks have glue that's too strong and i run the risk of ripping the paper no matter how slow I go trying to pull it away.
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If gothcell/egospit/spitcell does make one, it’ll be very milky.
I got used with drawing and painting on cold press texture. Canson XL is a good brand imo, I got used with the way it absorbs water.
I don't have much experience with cotton rag paper, because an arches pad cost an arm and a kidney here where I live. I managed to get my hands on some clairefontaine cotton rag cold press back in my exchange student days, it's a good paper and CF is an underrated brand. Their quality is as good as canson/arches and it's comparatively cheaper.
The only hotpress paper I've tried was a cellulose hanemühle gummed pad and the way the paper soaked the water felt weird to me. I personally think it's better for a beginner to start with a fine grain cold press and then afterwards switch to hot press if they want to make more illustrations where you need to achieve fine details precisely without the hindrance of paper texture. To the complains about pencil sketch smudge, try switching your sketch pencil to a colored one, like a prismacolor col-erase or even a cheap watersoluble colored pencil.
Probably too busy having a crisis over being a professional creative productive artist
Boi do I miss her old videos before yt became her job
Oh anon, pretty please show us a picture of this sketchbook, it sounds like a dream. Did you get in your local art store or on the internet?
Speaking of sketchbooks, I've never found one commercially available that is specifically for watercolor AND has hot pressed paper. All watercolor sketchbooks I've seen on YouTube have cold pressed texture. (Can't look at them irl because I don't live in North America/Europe where art materials are varied and aplenty)
Clickbait title. Eh, maybe it's cuz I'm an oldfag but this kind of debate on style has already been beaten dead several times over. I get her point but I think it's poorly articulated/presented.>>353026
This is a more articulate/comprehensive version of the other video. To me, most young artists need to hear this as they tend to get hung up on the great style debate, "copying" and being uwu the most speshul over working on the fundamentals and stepping outside of their comfort zones and creating a variety of work.
I have a love/hate relationship. Constantly starting drama over literally nothing and then turning tail the moment someone pulls out the facts about her lol. Weirdly fetishistic about intersex people.
Good source of chuckles ngl
Chill. You’re taking it way too seriously. Most of the comments on these threads have a lot of constructive criticism, critique that is valid (like kasey golden and lavendertown both need to practice anatomy and realism - its an obvious critique for them) but a lot of it is just venting. Let people vent. This isn’t the place to nitpick what people can complain about and its definitely not the place to talk shit about the other anons.
There’s a difference between having an artistic voice and being a one trick pony. Let people bitch about the artists who aren’t challenging themselves and rely on the crutch of their wonky ass “style”.
Didn’t really talk shit, all i said is most here are young and/or intermediate so they don’t know as much as they seem to think they do. And just because it’s venting doesn’t mean that it isn’t open to argued, if you’re going to throw shit then you have to be willing to catch it. Didn’t realise this is an uwu safe space where anons views can’t be challenged because it’s just muh opinion
I brought up stylistic choices specifically because it has been talked a lot about in previous threads and no one thinks past ‘they don’t vary their work, bad artist’
That’s obviously not what I’m saying. I even said in my original post that established artists will not vary too huge an amount - and I don’t mean that they all do bust up pretty girl portraits, but everything they do will be of the same flavour. Yeah, once people get further in their art careers they tend to focus on one area, whether that be food , animals, portraiture, highly illustrative work, still life’s, and I don’t see how this is a controversial thing to point out. You’ll never get good if you try to do absolutely everything, and before you put words in my mouth I don’t mean that they only ever draw one thing, but an abstract artist shouldn’t be expected to vary into hyper realism. It irked me when anons went on about how the artist I linked consistently creates floaty ethereal pieces when that it is quite obviously his stylistic choice and one that he still improves on
You keep telling me to chill but you’re also clearly annoyed enough by what I’ve said to keep replying to me so why am I apparently not allowed to express my annoyance.
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I understand what you mean and it does make sense for an art exhibition to have one only theme in common (for example I went to a Divine Comedy themed Dalì exposition, so all artworks exposed were only Divine Comedy scenes) and it also makes sense for an artist to keep one consistent style. The problem comes with drawing the same subject over and over all your life.
Contrast the artist you posted with someone like, dunno, Van Gogh to make an immediate example.
Van Gogh experimented and then came out with a consistent style, but subjects varied. One time it's a pair of shoes, then a bearded man, some flowers, a landscape in the night. Not all of his paintings are a vase of sunflowers just slightly different
You sound very personally offended to be taking the matter this seriously, and you keep trying to hide it behind flowery language; are you the artist (because lurking fans are sure to go cry to the criticized artists when they get mentioned) or someone who has heard the one-trick-pony criticism as well? Sure sounds like either, otherwise what's it to you?
What I have to say to you is, Lolcow is about milk, and your defensive sperging sure isn't bringing any, so maybe this isn't the place for you. We get a case of "let me set the record straight, you're WRONG about this" every once in a while, like this is a hivemind and not several people all agreeing to some degree.
I get what you’re saying, but even with Van Gogh his stylistic choices aren’t particular varied. If it came off as me sperging out over subjects specifically, because I’ve been trying to articulate this whole time that I’m annoyed by anons itt seemingly constantly expecting variation from artists in all aspects of their work
No one gets better by constantly hopping from one thing to the next, I don’t understand why so many people seem to have an issue with even an artist using the same medium for the majority of their pieces
I won’t bother arguing anymore since at this point I’m just repeating myself and coming off as a retard, but I wholeheartedly disagree that some of you seem to think that those commenting within this thread can’t be disagreed with just because it’s their opinion
I’m not trying to hide behind flowery language, it’s literally just how I write
Sage because obviously ot. Like I’ve said, I’ll stop since I’m not articulating what I mean all that well and I’m coming off as a dickhead.
My criticism of the "great style debate" is aimed at beginner/young artists because they tend to hyper focus on a single subject and style and hold on to it to their determent. Exploring outside of the comfort zone is necessary for both creative and technical growth and I do not expect to ever see that process (it's usually ugly and that's okay), but I can tell from looking at the work they do produce and share if they've gone through that process or not because it shows in their technical ability.
Kelogsloops is a great example of an artist that is technically developed to the point where he can make stylistic choices to capture moods/feelings with his subjects. His choices may not be everyone's cup of tea but he does have the skills to branch off in a different direction if he chose to.
Spitcell/Creepshow are example of artists clinging to their "style" for dear life because they've integrated that style into their identity and the technical development has stagnated and it's these types that I have an issue with.
His art is very beautiful and he deserves this exhibition because he worked hard and he is talented indeed.
But: Unfortunately his art is also very generic because nowadays there are dozens of artists drawing like that. Nobody is going to remember him in 10 years and his art won't be worth a penny. Mark my words. It's not always about aesthetics and ~good art.
I guess what makes his work different from, let's say, Danica's work, is the movement, color palette in that he uses warm and cool colors to separate figures and give the impression of distance, and emotion that his figures give off. When I compare these two artists, I genuinely don't seem much change in Danica's work from a couple years ago til now (still the same wet on dry technique and liner pens), while with Keloog's he's moved from a more free flowing style to a more control, purposeful use of his paint. While I agree that we as artists should always strive to hone our skills and make an effort to do better with each painting we create, I think it's still pretty impressive what he has accomplish thus far and how his art seems to really speak to people. If he keeps up the momentum I could see him evolving and going in a different direction, I would like to see what he could do through the incorporation of various animals.
I watched and it kind of explains a lot about why she says she’s more used to getting hate. Her being on lolcow kind of seems like how she copes with shit after years of someone attacking her online. Makes sense why she is so stand offish.
Also her art in this video has improved a lot. Like she does hands and the colors actually work nicely together
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You're welcome to like Kelogsloops if you want. Nobody here is going to stop you. And is Hieu improving? Yeah, I'd say so. He's been drawing the same girl in the same color scheme over and over again for the last, what, three or four years? It'd be concerning if he wasn't
I actually see similarities in Danica and Hieu. Both are technically good artists, but both have clear comfort zones and don't ever leave them. If you go back two years, you can see Danica's improved in some ways, like her line quality and her skill at manipulating watercolors. But both of them are pretty tiresome because they refuse to experiment or challenge themselves in any way.
I mean… it's obvious why people like his work. It is very pretty, and it is technically solid. And if he can make a career out of drawing the same pasty faced chick, then good for him. Doesn't change the validity of the critique, though.
I won't be watching this one just on account of it being so long.
It takes a certain trait or level of vulnerability to talk about yourself on a personal level, that's why I think she gets the views that she does.
That and she revels in drama and controversy.
I mean good on her for finding something that works for her and is profitable.
I think in few years her artwork could be way better but from an artists perspective I don't think she's good.
Certainly not good enough to do tutorials or lessons of any sort.. probably why her drama videos do so well.
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what is her reasoning for doing this? it's fucking jarring that she's going for "anatomical correctness" when her drawings are so heavily stylized and cartoony. from skimming the video the ones i saw don't even appear to be placed correctly. idk if she's just getting off to annoying people with poorly drawn dog dicks or if she's really this dense.
I think she thinks it’s funny? I like her art 50% of the time but she’s been NEVER funny.
Does one sage in email or subject?
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First I thought Audrey is the artist of these paintings. His work is definetely a copy of hers. Detailed peachy skin, 2D hair and some ornaments. Even the faces look similar. Only the canvas is different.
I don't know who was the first one to draw this kind of style but it's getting tiring. So many artists are copying her. Audrey made this style popular in 2005. Now it's 2019. Let's see what trend is coming next.
Sure Kelogsloops will have a good life as an artist because he has a big online following but not because his art pieces are outstanding. He is a copycat and will latch on any popular style, I totally agree >>353290
What a shame, he is so talented…
Kasey has a very storybook/cartoony style that doesn't lend itself to having weirdly out of place anatomy beyond very implied. Sure, you see plenty of "cartoon dog dicks" online - in pornographic circles. Kasey doesn't draw furry porn, she draws cartoony shit you'd see on kid's TV or in kid's books, places you would rarely see genitalia. Saying "well furfags do it" is disingenuous because Kasey clearly isn't trying to draw furry porn.
No one is outraged because drawing a dog's sheath is suddenly pornographic, it's just incredibly jarring and seems to be borne purely of spite because she got so much shit for doing it in her sketchbook. This little flap between their legs really adds nothing, it's just weird.
If her style was semi-realistic or a study or whatever and she was adding their genitalia then no one would care.
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Samefag, but here’s an example; very clearly not pornographic, the nipples are a complete nonissue
Yeah but it’s still a really fuckin weird choice like what >>353569
said. Like what does it add to the entire thing other than people who looks at it and are like “why did she draw a penis on a cartoon dog?”
I just thought it was funny she got really upset when parents of kids were like "maybe don't draw dog dicks" and she was like "my art is NOT for children. It's cartoony but it's NOT for children!!!"
i just find that whole issue hilarious
in that case i'd argue for death of the author (or illustrator in this case) but it is a theroretical children book and not a critial work so thats a moot point.
i'd guess a close comparrison to make is a studio like telltale, who made The Walking Dead and Minecraft Story Mode; it was the same studio making different projects for different communities. that may be what kasey is saying when she says 'my videos arent for children'
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honestly like?? it's just as gimmicky as her style now. I don't see what changed except the medium used.
what's the difference now? she just draws dog dicks?
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We think you’re prententious and need to get over yourself.
yooo I really like Alphonso Dunn too
My recs (they all have instructional videos that are really helpful): the Mind of Watercolor, Cesar Santos, PearFleur, Chris Hong Art, Gal Shir, Mateusz Urbanowicz has really amazing illustrations, Marco Bucci, James Gurney, Atelier Sento, John J Boulet, The Art of Aaron Blaise.
james are you still shilling yourself
I still remember that thread from /ic/ a while back lmao
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was just going to post this screencap. how self-absorbed and petty is she? "people who dislike me/my work/my attitude, please tell me what you think about me so i can go on my instagram story to dismiss any valid criticism as being from my HATERS!"
this is the bitch who explicitly said that she has no plans to get therapy or help herself at all, so i'm not even surprised. pic related>>353979
i'd love to see her reaction, but yeah, please don't cowtip her. she's purged her instagrams before for reasons unrelated to teh haterz and i don't want her going on lockdown (after telling everyone on her instagram story just how funny she finds it all, of course)
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there's more caps of this post in the imgur album i linked here >>348574
here's the actual post though, note the comment… lol https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo18PBagvt8/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1acygj3osy2mk
Since someone else recommended Teoh, I' say to check out James Gurney's videos! The man is amazing.
I also personally find this video very… inspiring. It really compels you to draw and paint with different materials and techniques. this series is awesome
its honestly offputting that someone with this attitude (and art that literally hurts my retenas with the coloring) can gain a following. i get her audiance, its clearly the 'its not a phase mom' crowd. but when you promote that image, that is who you accumulate.
honestly this behavior is embarassing…
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Dislikes tryhards, ignorance and being bossed around
Yet she is all those things. She’s honestly pathetic
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>>354461>Dislikes tryhards, ignorance and being bossed around
baylin is such a treat. went to put more screencaps in the album and realized i wasn't logged in when i made it so i can't edit it anymore, so here's a new imgur album with all the old and new gothcell posts: https://imgur.com/a/yq0t1Wd
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Check out Laovaan, he's got good technique and color taste. He has some tutorials. My mangaka life also has a couple of copic related videos but her channel is full of shit so you need to search.
But if you're looking for good copic related info (tutorial/demo) insta is better.
Thanks for the copic artist recs, everyone, very helpful (wow, that Nuri Durr video!)>>354584
Definitely interested in IG artist recs too if you have them! I spend a lot of time on the copic hashtag but it's overwhelming.
I think kelogloops is incredibly skilled and it's great that he's making a living off his work. Watercolor is a hard medium to sell.
That said, I find something very cringey about his personality. Who knows what he's actually like IRL, but all his videos have that air of "omfg look how happy I am! look how cute my friends/family are! like me! like me!". It's like he's always at a 10 and it comes off as very phony to me.
I also do wish he'd branch out and do something more interesting than the deadhorse, "floaty waif with her eyes closed" that we've seen on instagram 1000 times from countless other artists.
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why would she post this…
i get the idea behind the video, i actually love watching those types of videos where you test cheap art supplies.
but…why make cheap art as well? if you do the challenge, do more than a mono-colored 2D illustration. literally looks like shit 1st graders do. the point of the challenge is to try and make your normal art with cheap supplies, and this aint it chief
Honestly, her art is always really bad.
She drives me crazy because she does stuff like acrylic pouring or using tons of glitter without putting down a layer of scrap paper on her desk, then spends half the video complaining about the mess. Yeah, no shit, if you pour paint all over the crap cluttering your desk of course it's going to be messy.