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Honestly Rae deadass deserves to be put in the bad art thread.
Matter of fact, do you guys think we should have a thread on Rae??? Is she cowish enough?
I mean, I kind of agree with her here. A lot of "cringe" compilations are taking things from people who are obviously children and making fun of them. Like, yeah, this 13-year-old has shit art/animation with totally embarassing edgy OCs that are obvious knockoffs of other characters. of course they do, most 13yos do crap like that. That sort of shit though can make kids totally give up out of embarassment.
Mind you if you're an adult it's kind of free game. You're hopefully at that point mature enough that if someone makes fun of you for cringey art it's not going to deter you from making art or doing whatever it is you do.
disagree. some kids should
be turned off from that kind of stuff.
Kids don't need to be turned off from art. They need to learn how to take criticism and improve, sure, but not be so turned off they don't even want to try because they feel so put down and embarrassed.
Like, a kid who has trouble with math shouldn't be made fun as being cringe. They should be encouraged and helped. Come on dude.
Especially solarsands, that idiot can't draw to save his life.
Most of these channels just want to make money off other people's cringey art
It's like drama channels who talk about Youtube celebrities, imagine being so useless that everything you can do is orbit around other people's failures
inb4 Chloe Rose and friends say we do the same thing here
Kek not at all, haven’t been on that cursed website since 2009.
But anyway, this >>277995
Solarsans just picks on low hanging fruit because it’s easy to critique and effective in getting young artist’s attention and gaining views/revenue.
I totally agree. I genuinely enjoy watching actaully good (real) artist, but what kills me is their setup/audio/qaulity of the video in general. WhytManga,AlphansoDunn ect ect are examples of that to me at least. The bad editing and shit can really turn someone off from watching an otherwise good video.
I would add in, that alot of really good artist dont have enough content in general, half the time they will have 2-7 videos at maximum. But my theory is that they dont have time to focus all that energy into editing/setting up the video becuase they are actaully trying to improve their art work and skills. Versus morons like Rae,Kasey,Holly,Waffles,(Jazza oops) just throw out shitty art work with no depth or improvement. In order to compensate they have to make their videos sound/look decent to catch the viewers attention long enough. Also they have to have exceptional /not in the good way/ personalities and jump on bandwagons at any chance in order to stay relevant. People who actaully have skill dont feel the need to be fake and flashy because they are too focused on more important things.
It should be noted that many people on Youtube have tiny attention spans and most of these peoples fans are 10-16 year olds. And even dumbass 20 year olds, but regardless they usally dont have the maturity to sift through whos actaully good and whos faking it.
I agree with both
another thing I think that keeps people from viewing those videos is that the art can be intimidating. Watching someone draw the same dinsey girl over and over again is more comfortable for a new and young artist. Unlike seeing a highly skilled professional that is constantly improving.
I don't think you should feel bad about it. She seems like the person who wouldn't be able to handle critique. That's always the case with artists who always draw the same thing in the same style and never improve.
I honestly wonder how she isn't getting tired of her own drawings, they are seriously always the same. But yeah, social media fame I guess…
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Samefag but if you put a few drawings together you can really see how sameface-y they all are. I know it's a littly cherry-picking but just pay attention to the make-up like the tree dots under the eye, the lip and/or septum piercing and the earplugs.
If it's pretty it's boring, if it's ugly it's projecting, if it's realistic it's boring again
What do you really want
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Going through her portfolio she has some decently cute stuff but looking at her work as a whole makes a majority of her illustrations seem bland. She has a lot of inconsistencies with her anatomy, especially when drawing faces >>278433
She's definitely not a terrible artist, she just needs to work on her fundamentals more. Even if she kept the same style/subject matter her stuff would improve tenfold.
I don't think her biggest problem is her fundamentals. What bothers me the most about her is lack of creativity. Of course we should always be striving to improve our fundamentals, but it seems like this whole "fundamentals" ordeal has become sort of a parrot thing in these threads. She's not perfect, but she already manages to make some pictures that are pleasant to look at.
Her art just seems extremely one dimensional to me when it comes to subjects, but that seems to be a problem she has herself, her personality also seems pretty one dimensional. I know we can't really tell how someone is through the content they put up on the internet, but most people start being a little shy on Youtube and then branch out. She's still very monotone and uneventful.
is this the "decently cute" thing? she has the same fucking red nose freckled for no reason face as all the girls in >>278433
the biggest issue isn't the anatomy but more what >>278606
said. looking at the pic you posted, it's clear that she had
to put in extra details to make sure people knew that this was sailormoon. if you get rid of the hair, compact and luna's forehead decoration, you'd never guess that's what this was supposed to be. the worst thing is that it would be better and have more depth if this was just some random NEET OC girl.
also, nothing's interacting with eachother properly. anatomy aside, but the weirdest part is usagi's hair. the plate is floating under her hair and it just takes away the look of interaction in general. it's just weird and sloppy. coupled with sameface and bad anatomy it's all bad.
I follow her for the reviews, her purely art videos can get a little boring to me. I like the fact that she experiments, but at the same time some of the experiments are a bit too abstract for my own personal taste.
I don't think she really has to market herself if she doesn't want to, if being an artist is not a professional interest of hers, dealing with the side hassles of being a professional artist might just suck the fun out of it for her.
Yeah, her style is just not my cup of tea
But kudos to her for being able to juggle a channel with college. I can barely find time to draw lol
They all look so damn bored, kinda listless, and I think that really projects onto all her designs. She kind of looks the same way IRL or when she's speaking into the camera, it's kind of monotone. same girl. Same face. Same expression.
I'd like to see some stories from her, not just 'pretty witch girls'….but people like consistency and if there's anything you can't say she isn't, is consistent, and a lot of her followers like that I guess.
i meant that's the only
thing that makes her look like sailormoon in this picture.
Uh no? The school uniform is also a giveaway.
True that the artist has a sameface syndrome but you are really nitpicking the Sailor Moon drawing.
Of course if she drew her without her hair and uniform she would look like a random character or any other sailor (like Venus). The girls in SM suffer from sameface syndrome too.
I disagree that Luna and the compact are put there to make it clear it's Usagi as it's obvious from the way the character looks. They are just part of Usagi's world displayed in the picture.
I think this is a nice fanart though I've seen the concept a few times and agree that a pic with original character in this style would be interesting.
I also dislike artists just drawing pretty characters without deeper concept but this fanart is fine in my eyes.
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From the new waffles' video
Why do all her faces repulse me?
Honestly, this looks fine. Maybe it's not your taste but there's nothing actually wrong
I don't like him at all, I was just wondering if anyone here knows about him and what they think
Guess I forgot to write that
I found him recently too. His art's pretty. Pretty boring.
Just, girl's face with his little symbol on the cheek. Technically skilled but same thing over and over. I found his videos to be boring, but that's where I discovered him first, on yt. I don't think I'd be too invested in his IG, since it's just more of the same.
I'm honestly getting tired of the pretty girl portraits. This guy, Jacqueline, Danica, etc.
I don't see anything wrong with this one, I think it's just preference.
Sometimes I really want to see the art of people who talk shit about people like waffles, she's no loish but she's decent and seems to try to push herself.
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he got posted about in the last thread, and is now trying to sell nudes/porn in addition to terrible comics lmaooooo
Doesn't it get a lot of popularity among weebs because it's used on some mangas and stuff?
Also, it's partly because we have that tendency of wanting things people we look up to have, because it somehow makes us feel more connected to them. So if a lot of kids like Baylee, they might want to own the same supplies as she does to have one tangible thing in common with her.
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oh my god noooo
Rae is already full herself, this is only gonna make it worse.
She's posting that shout out vid everywhere lmao.
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""""Professional Artis""""" vs Youtube Makeup Artist
Yeah, also I feel like the fact that her actual art is kind of mediocre makes her feel like more of a kindred spirit to her fan base? Less intimidating but at the same time the expensive art supplies "legitimize" her to her young fan base and the combo of the two might make her success feel more attainable or something. She's good enough for kids to look up to but not too good to scare them away I guess.
That said alcohol markers are really fun to work with IMO, I enjoy them. Something satisfying about how even and "flat" they are. I want to try Gouache next.
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I don't think you're reaching anon, definitely checks out with a quick recreation
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I don't really know how to do the overlay thing but I tried
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The problem with these artists is that they only want to draw pretty/cute things, but doing that just makes them improve more slowly and it takes away artistic value from their work.
For example: you are trying to draw a pretty girl. In order to keep her looking pretty she has to be young, which means there won't be much detail (wrinkles) on her face and also you limit her expression (she has to have a neutral face so there won't be any wrinkles on her face or god forbid nasolabial folds), her pose, and the lighting (shadows all over the face are not cute!!) and then you end up with a boring generic drawing. But really a drawing of an ugly orc with his face wrinkled in anger and with lights and shadows playing on his face (which help portray volume) has so much more artistic value and is interesting to look at because its shows the artist's various skills. With a drawing of a pretty girl looking blankly at the camera/into the distance you show only knowledge of anatomy. If that.
There is a reason you rarely have pretty youthful models at life drawing classes. Also pic related is a drawing by Even Mehl Amundsen
As someone who used to draw, drawing and painting “pretty girls” is easier and faster. Especially for the YT artists, cause they need to pump up videos to stay relevant.
I honestly don’t like just drawing pretty girls, but it is the only thing I can do easily without effort. Sometimes I draw them to warm up for complicated drawings
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I wouldn't say it's easy for them just because young pretty girls don't have a lot of wrinkles and stuff. Part of why it's easy for them is simply because that's what they spend more time drawing. It's their comfort zone.
I used to find it easier to draw people I considered "ugly" because I didn't have to mind where I was putting things as much, meanwhile if I wanted to draw a perfectly pretty girl I had to be very careful about not having anything out of place.
Anywyas, the "problem" is not them only wanting to draw pretty things, it's them wanting to stay inside a small comfort zone of their borderline childish taste. And that's not even a problem, if they enjoy doing it and it fits their artistic needs. You can do much more sophisticated pieces of beautiful people, such as Karla Ortiz' piece I've added to my post.
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Samefag, but since one of the arguments was about the girls having a neutral face, just thought I'd add another example of a beautiful woman being more expressive.
Pretty girls sell well, if you're someone who sells your work. I have much more fun drawing "ugly" but I haven't worked up the balls to try selling any of that stuff yet. Ugly/cute is fun.>>280906
I was "semi large" (I guess??? Sort of?) before YT artists were as much of a thing. I was all over DA for years, sold a lot at cons, ect, before realizing I needed to take some time to seriously work on my art so I'm relearning from scratch.
The only life drawing I did had a slim pretty woman, I guess I was lucky. There was like one day with a guy lying down and showing off his balls but the other days were all the one pretty model.
It's more like middle-aged non-slim women probably are more likely to want the validation of being a life model
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I'd argue that it is a crutch because some of them rely on pretty things to produce pretty drawings. Even then some of them still fail. I believe that a good artist has the capacity to make any subject matter beautiful.
On a side note, I feel like some artists jump in to youtube too soon and get sucked in. It creates a situation where if they make it, they start to neglect their artistic development or worse think they're better than they are. It really is a shame. Art is not easy and it definitely is a humbling experience.
Karla Ortiz is mai waifu
Also kinda off topic but which platform would you recommend sharing art on? I joined a facebook group for buying/selling art of ocs but I want to make a page just to post my art as well that I can link to people if they wanna see more. But I don't know if I should make it on Facebook (seems like a lousy place to me) or Tumblr or DeviantArt.
Also the people in that facebook group are so greedy. 10$ for a "character design" which is just a bland teenage girl with a dagger? 15$ for a pencil sketch? Seriously
Also, oh gods, people are charging 10 whole dollars? Gee. They may even be able to afford to eat a couple McDonalds meals with all that greed.
She's nice and it was hilarious to watch her making a lot of people butthurt (including Monique) on the Trump video.
I really like the self betterment talks, but I think she did't choose some of her words too wisely on that response video. Some of the stuff she said sounded preachy, there was something about people not being ready for the love thing which just sounds like "I am right and you are just not ready to see it". Some of her attitudes remind me of people trying to convert you after joining a church.
Also you probably meant Sluggie instead of Spechie
Oh yeah Monique was triggered
wish I had saved the comment.. something about “Don’t tell me to love somebody who won’t give me all my medicine for free! Wah!”
And yup I meant sluggie thanks anon.
Those prices are standard quit bitching. If you want to sell OCs Tumblr and DeviantArt are your best bet but it takes a few days/weeks for people to know you exist on Tumblr so DA is faster.
If you need a portfolio you can try Behance or Artstation or make your own site using wix.>>281509
These people aren't professionals living off of their illustrations, they're just kids, their art is not of such a quality that it should cost so much (there are a few better ones but most are generic 13year old deviantart illustrations). Maybe I am just from a stingy family. Actually that is probably it because when I asked my brother how much I should charge for an illustration he said 3$. cheap bastard
161 subs and like 300 views. Clickbaity title.
The contents of the video aren't even that big a deal to stir up 'drama'. chill.
30 minute video of repeating the same disclaimers over and over again. Just say it once, it won't make any less of an impact.
Why is she whining that big youtubers don't pay attention to her lopsided faces?
People who call themselves "weird" are boring as fuck 100% of the time.
She doesn't seem like a terrible person, but she's bad at art and really obnoxious about it. I feel like she could improve if she just stopped thinking she was a great "professional, clasically trained artist".
"He's creating a nose from absolute scratch…that's a really interesting technique"
You mean he drew a nose???? Whodathunkit????
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Not exactly a YouTube artist, but someone has brought up audreyghossoub here and I honestly can't agree more. Her coloring is decent but the drawing style she uses looks ugly to me. It's a shame, because her more realistic work is actually pretty decent
that nose isnt that red. my nose always
looks a little red. its just a style. not everything is "tumblr style" because you dont like it.
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Not the anon you're talking to, but even if her other stuff is not as tumblr, Audrey is basically the definition of a tumblr artist.
I agree that anon was reaching and some people just parrot the term around, but there are some characteristics that loosely group a few people together as adepts of the "tumblr" style. To me, it's the following:
Picture an artist. It's a college aged person who either is a part of or sympathizes with the LGBT community. It's an animation student or enthusiast, and its biggest influences are Disney, Cartoon Network shows (they used to draw those Adventure Time noodly arms, but now they gravitate more towards Steven Universe noses) and Anime. Probably owned some Nintendo console and are inclined to be part of a fandom. They make sure to include POC and or LGBT characters on what they do, even if they are making fanart and it makes absolutely no sense to turn those characters into minorities. Their version of alternative girls are those basic witches with micro bangs and some sort of generic tomboy lesbian. Oh, and let's not forget the inclination to draw obese people (almost exclusively women) as something beautiful.
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This made me think of waffles instantly kek
No it doesnt lol. Race bending is not a style. Neither is shipping. Just because it triggers
you personally doesn't make it an A R T S T Y L E
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Look I found some artists that all share the same style lololol. Some of them ONLY draw Hermione and are recognized instantly because of their Hermione fan art. Clearly Hermione is now their 'art style'
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Basically she posted a genderbent fanart of the characters of the videogame Dream Daddy. One of them, Damien, is canonically a trans man, and some people claimed it was transphobic. I think she got harassed to the point where she considered leaving social media
These gender bents are kinda ugly
Can’t really wrap my head around the transphobic part, it sounds dumb
Holy hell, anon, I didn't know being an liking Nintendo made you "tumblr". None of these are an art style or aesthetic. Just proves my point that it's code for "I don't like it."
Also, since other anons mentioned them, red noses are not a tumblr thing at all, that shit has been around since like 2003.
Exactly. The "tumblr style" isn't necessarily a visual style per se, but it's a recurring theme in the art pieces. Nonbinary transsexual fat lesbians with undercuts, non-conventional beauty and surface-level ugliness (like the vitiligo trend some years ago and stretch marks), racebending, everything about the art trying its damnest to make some sort of an aggressive sociopolitical stand with overused tropes and thinking it's more intelligent and artistic than it really is.
This is another reason why I hate it when people say "try different styles" meaning that someone should just rip off another artist's drawing/painting style. If you really want to exit your comfort zone, draw something with a theme you haven't experimented with before.
Are you implying that I only disagree with you because I feel personally attacked?
Art that gets labeled "tumblr" is wildly varying levels of quality, so I can't say if I like it or not. Drawing intentionally ugly slanty-eyed Sailor Moon fanart that ends up looking like a racist caricature is one thing, but it seems like some people just start shaking every time they see a drawing of a fat person or someone with a red nose.
>>284200>Are you implying that I only disagree with you because I feel personally attacked?
That's what you've been doing all the times you say we're grouping it together because we don't like it, so I see no reason to complain.
I ask because sometimes we get a blind spot for things we like. Same way if we don't like it, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Indeed, I myself pay attention to the "tumblr style" things because I personally hate it, so the patterns stick out more to me. Not saying you can't notice things if you don't feel some type of way about it, tho.
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Woo hey guys check out this Tumblr art style so retro lololol
hm. i disagree. i think comments like "i bet you can't even draw" on art that's very mediocre makes you
sound like you can't draw. people who can't draw are usually pretty easily impressed. i would get it if people were nitpicking something technically advanced, but if you think people criticizing lazy tumblr art are just jealouz haterz, it makes it seem like that art is where your skill hits a wall.
Can you all move your stupid arguments to the bad/hideous art thread? Bring milk or get the fuck out.
Anyway, anyone else feels like SuperRaeDizzle is pandering so hard to the beauty community? I saw her comments on “beauty drama channels” multiple times.
Her art/beauty related videos:
Drawing James Charles (famous beauty influncer) with makeup: https://youtu.be/gGOw9ek-KMk
She reacts to James Charles (famous beauty influncer) art: https://youtu.be/uRgJpqaXaA0
Drawing with long fake nails: https://youtu.be/gsSfWvM7CCk
Drawing Jeffree Star (another famous influencer) with makeup: https://youtu.be/79pjFDZX0fk
And generally her “art/beauty related” videos are copied from beauty trends that have been done for years. Like following someone else’s tutorial, making her boyfriend follow her tutorial, reading mean comments, make her pet picks her art supplies, a compilation video of her doing stupid shit… etc
I have been following the Beauty community ever since Michelle Phan was doing her cosplay makeup, so I can tell where she got her videos ideas from and from whom.
I feel like she wants to be a beauty guru so bad but doesn’t know how, or maybe something is stopping her from doing so.
THIS!! Rae has been really obnoxious latley with this beauty guru notice me senpai uwu shit. She might as well become a beauty guru/mua or whatever since she can barley draw and has stated that she has been into make up for a really long time. I think her personality would fit more in the beauty community anyway.>>284324
I second this! Rae needs a thread, shes super annoying and produces enough milk frequently.
yeah i would love a rae thread.
she does pander to bgs which is unfortunate because her makeup is bad even if her art is worse. it's a bit like spechie who wanted to do makeup tutorials, you know what they say about jacks of all trades…
Yeah, he seems like one of the very few decent YouTube artists who aren’t at all milky to me too. I’m not subbed to him, but I watch a lot of his reviews.
Not sure if this should be put in the HC Brown thread, but is anyone else annoyed by how often she’s getting mentioned by other (much better) YT artists? granted, i don’t think that they keep up with her content at all and so don’t know how much of a cow she is, but it irks me when I see her Skillshare class or her “informative” videos on printmaking and shit getting shout-outs, both bc her knowledge on these things is questionable at best and bc 80% of the time when she’s talking about other artists, she’s super passive-aggressive.
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that finishing touch looks like she's putting colored piece of shit onto paper
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It didn't add, but art like this really pisses me off. Like, expand your horizons and maybe don't draw the most basic, mindnumbing shit on the planet???
I'll say that i really enjoy listening to her voice. Its nice and relaxing yet keeps you pulled in. (Or maybe it's because Lavendertown/Kasey/Rae/Holly ect all have annoying voices that i cant tell any more)
Anyway her art is pretty good, notjing speacial but she at least knows what she is doing. Shes not too bad tbh.
Great. Another monotone Daft Pina-esque youtube reviewer in the art community.
As for animation memes, I don't care for them. I really don't like the guy he's reviewing who reviews them though.
I actaully decided to watch the video all the way through (only cuz i was trying to go to sleep while listening to something) and ngl he makes some pretty good points I can get behind.
Many times these fools like Pkrussl, Solar Sands, DA Cringe, that Daddy guy, Daftpina ect ect half the time cant even draw themselves and seem to forget that alot of these artist they bash are mostly hobbyist who do it for fun. At the end of the day art should make a person happy when they create it (even if its bad as hell). As long as they strive to improve and do their thing its not even that serious. What i find funny is that they sreech this "Your allow to say something is bad!!!!! Even if it hurts the persons feelings!!" Rhetoric but will make a whiney response video and bitch about someone who does the same exact thing to them. Its the hypocrisy and tryna pick lowhanging fruit that irratates me. ….. and they ALL seem to have annoying ass voices.
It really triggers
me when I see shitty artists giving critiques full of buzzwords that reveal that they know nothing about actually drawing. Solar sands' smugness about it just tops it off.
She seems to have some autoimmune disorder and shaky hands because of that/medication, which might explain the sketchy lines.
That said, I also thought they weren't very good overall, She needs to look at some anatomy books because the torso muscles were all wrong.
She needs an anatomy book that focuses on muscle groups and adding skin over top of them like Anatomy for Sculptors specifically.
She seems to have no understanding of how to draw them from just seeing the skin over them, it’s so different for each body it’s not a reliable way of learning anyways. It reminds me of Baylee Jae honestly. Not as bad, but still not utilizing resources properly.
im inclined to agree. The worst people have really said about waffles is that her laugh and voice is nasally and her sketching is chicken scratch-y. She pushes herself to be better and recognizes her faults in artwork and when she isn't confident or sure of something like with the palletbox unboxing. she admitted that the box felt like but she wasn't sure about the price of the Qor watercolors and went to check and didn't complain or fault the box for "feeling" light after checking the prices of the watercolors. She doesn't try to act like she knows more or better like holly, not an edgelord like Spechie and actually does art and tries to improve unlike Baylee.
tl;dr: Waffles has her faults cause no one is perfect but she doesn't seem like a cow and her only two flaws people point out is her voice and sketching. Sketching can be fixed but you can't fix a voice which seems unfair to nitpick someone over.
"Chicken scratch" are those broken off sorta hairy looking lines people who are not very confident in their lines make.
Which sounds completely reasonable and acceptable coming from someone who has tremors (and hers are not even that chicken scratchy, she's just sort of a messy sketcher).
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I don't think sketches, unless you are finalizing them, are intended or meant to be neat. It isn't borderline chicken scratch to have messy sketches. Even professionals produce messy or non clean sketches.I think many of you have seen too many images of finalized or polished sketches and think anything that is not like that is chicken scratch.
I agree, my very first sketch where I'm getting my idea out of my brain and on to the page barely looks like a human most of the time. It only looks "presentable" 2-3 refining stages later, and I guess even then for these anons it'd be cHickEn ScRaTcH.
Her sketching is fine and looks the same as most of the artists I know in terms of messiness.
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I’m not sure if “chicken skratch” is the problem so much as lack of skill. Sketchiness looks great when there is knowledge of the form, because those initial lines are put down as a sort of guideline or map, and not as a wild guess at the final line that is to be to be refined and refined after several versions. There’s no one “correct” way to draw but fewer, more thought out lines lines will always be more efficient than many wild guesses in my book.
When people ask how others feel about artists like those who just do samey pretty girl art, I usually don't. Like, I don't feel anything from it, except maybe bored..
But it does make me wonder, if I draw nothing but pretty girls for a month on social media, how would that affect my traffic.
Probably not that much of a difference. To get traffic you gotta put interacting and socializing on social media as your top priority, even before your art.
This is why I quit chasing the dream of people noticing my “work”, because I will hate it instead.
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Waffles back at it with fug faces
Pretty much. Imo Waffles art is a bizzare ass mix of ugly and pleasing. Her colors are pleasant to look at /most of the time/ but when it comes to EVERYTHING else such as anatomy,composition and the faces it goes to shit. She's def not the best…>inb4 waffles whiteknighting
But she is not the worse also.
Kek! >"more realistic style">"there are no noodle arms in this one" >The arms are super stick thin and are just as unrealistic looking. Might as well have drawn nooooodly arms.
Yeah LT is talking real extreme thinking the first one is realism (its semi at MOST and thatd pushing it!), the second one….the word "realistic" shouldnt even be in the script at that point….
Anyway though, I'll make a Rae thread for you bitches ;).
It's always the same with those "cheap vs expensive challenges">omg why is it so expensive! xD It looks the same xDD
Put that shit in the sun for a few months and then let's talk again. These videos are based off a lack of understanding of why someone might want extremely long-lasting, high quality supplies.
Actually there’s a thing called burnishing and even some pencils created for that purpose, but of course that’s not what she’s done.
Her technique is just cringy to watch.
aso that they are markers so that means they have a color range you can later match with a fabric, as for watercolor you are left guessing a lot more
again, they are good for sketching, not something to rave about but meh, if it fits your workflow why not
I would say that there are some things with copics you couldn't achieve with other mediums simply due to the quality of alcohol markers. After all, there is a reason why they are different than say watercolor or colored pencils. Digitally, you can recreate the look of copics but you can recreate the look of just about anything digitally.
Traditionally, markers are used because of their vibrant colors without having to layer a lot like watercolors or colored pencils, quick drying and are dry near instantly after putting it onto the paper unless you put down a lot of ink and don't have a period of time where they have to dry like watercolors, etc.
It undermines artists who actually have emergency situations. slight blog but, that's why I'm reluctant to mention when I have an emergency, I tend to just blast my info more frequently. It doesn't really serve me to give excuses for why I'd need that money at that moment.
Artists who do art for a living, shouldn't be shouting "EMERGENCY" every 2 weeks. It's like any other job, but it's hardly the ones who are doing it professionally who are doing emergency commissions.
Not an emergency commission but I remember there was one insta artist which I forgot the name who did a go-fund-me campaign
because she needed or wanted
in other words, a new laptop kek
they're not ITT. >>292384
was just them trying to bait yesterday.
He(PK) expects these YouTube videos made by 13 year olds to be Oscar worthy.
Of course they’re gonna be shit. They’re little music videos made by children for fun. They’re not supposed to be taken seriously.
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I can't get over the derpy face
Oh yeah that face is hideous
On a more positive note Audra Auclair uploaded a video after being on hiatus for a long time. Happy to see her making vids since she might be the only YT atist I genuinely like.
Also I’ve seen Artists like Peurfleur(?) use/shill those korean mijello watercolors but are they actually any good?
My only problem with them is that they use bizarre pigment mixes to make their paints more vibrant so the lightfastness is effected negatively. The pure pigment set doesn’t have that problem obviously. But their raw sienna is far more vibrant than other raw siennas because they aren’t using the traditional pigment used for raw sienna. They just use different ones to make them more vibrant. It’s weird and I mix a lot so I usually go with brands that focus on single pigments for the majority of their colors. That being said they are really good quality and I enjoy them. I also own their White Class paints which are fun to use. It just bothers me that I can’t use the ultramarine in that set because they didn’t use the ultramarine pigment for it. So it’s not even lightfast. If you don’t care about that though there’s zero reason not to use them.
(Reposting this because I forgot to sage)
I mean, who is it supposed to look like? I can see where she can move the eyes closer just a bit and move the mouth do just a bit but it's a fairly minor adjustment. I dont see the point in jumping on someone for not having perfect anatomy, I honestly don't think any artist does that does stylistic drawings.
Sometimes I wonder if people talk shit just to talk shit.
>>294770>I don't really feel that criticism over Waffles' faces
They're unappealing because the drawing itself is, not necessarily because her facial features are not perfect.>>295338>what she could have done better?
Soften those nasolabial folds and its already ten times better. Establishing a simple light source and shading accordingly would also help.
I agree that they are unappealing sometimes, but at the same time I'm aware that ugly people exist, so her drawings don't strike me as something unthinkable.
Her shading just seems like it comes from some sort of ambient light, albeit maybe not something given direct thought. I just think people's problems are in their expectations rather than the Youtubers, I mean, why the hell do you expect people whose intentions seem to be drawing for fun to be excellent at anything? It just seems like you're giving yourself grievances over nothing. Just cut the cord and stop watching them if you know it won't satisfy you.
We defend Waffles because most things people talk about her are extremely nitpicky for no reason whatsoever. Seems like people have turned the artist threads into some nitpicking braindump rather than pointing out some actual milk, maybe because the art community tends to be so scarce on milk (and the ones who are constantly milky have gotten their own threads).
Seems like some people here get annoyed at others for merely existing, and as suggested, just stop watching them if their art doesn't please you. That ain't something to write home about.
>>295581>no one here has the right to tell me my expectations should be lower, she should be better
Let me get this straight. Not only are you saying it's your indisputable right to have expectations about some random internet person's skill progression, that said person I'm assuming you don't know has the OBLIGATION to meet your expectations?
Is this real?
I guess the problem here is how artists on Youtube are viewed. You claim to have this right to have expectations on her skill level because it's her job, but really, an Youtuber's job is to be an entertainer. They don't have to be good at anything, they just have to entertain their audiences enough for them to want to keep watching the videos. Some people do this by eating noodles on camera, others draw in a whole range of skill levels.
Of course people are defending her because she doesn't seem to be a bad person, that's the whole point of lolcow, to point cow behavior. Having art flaws does not constitute a cow, unless it's part of a bigger thing such as them being delusional and thinking they're the best artist in the world. The reason people like Lemia and Kasey get dragged is because of their personalities, thus cow-ish behavior.
I'm not personally defending Waffles because I think her art is great, I just think it's irrelevant to have several posts pointing out she draws ugly faces. We get it. Now, if she was an ass and people wanted to point it out, that would be more relevant.
>>295581>She's not a good person
So far there doesn't seem anything that points to her being a bad person. She doesn't go on long rants about people doing things she doesn't like, talk down on other people, etc. she doesn't even go on about how classically trained she is or IIRC call herself a professional artist. Someone having a slow rate of improvement isn't milky when they don't play up their art to be what it isn't.
plus it's just low hanging fruit to try to say someone is a cow or milky based on the fact that they draw ugly faces but doesn't boast about their art skill and works on improving. it's unrealistic to expect someone to not have art flaws just because they draw regularly for youtube but don't consider themselves professional or classically trained artists. It's like kicking dirt.
Not saying this as a reason to criticize Waffles, personally I don’t think there’s anything cowish about her as others have said. But just because someone has an illness isn’t particularly a reason to whiteknight someone. There’s a cow on kiwifarms that people follow specifically because they post ridiculous and entertaining stuff due to severe paranoia from schizophrenia and various related stuff. I don’t believe that their illness is necessarily an excuse for stuff. They choose to post, no matter how deluded they are. I’ve seen other minor cows that have deluded thinking from mental illness overshare and be ridiculous on the internet, so I don’t think it’s exactly okay to whiteknight someone solely because of an illness.
Once again, I don’t think we should bother with people that don’t have much cowish behavior. Just pointing out whiteknighting because of an illness is kinda flawed in my mind. To each their own I guess though.
It's not a problem when people critique her art with some actual substance to their critique, it's just annoying when it's the same "that face ugly" comment all the time. >>295757
I don't think people are defending Waffles because of her disease, or else Monique would be defended too. Waffles gets defended and Monique doesn't because Waffles is seemingly chill while Monique is a bit of a cunt.
She does, Only Monique LIKES to grandstand and be the morally high one, thus she can't help but put herself into some drama to make herself look good. She's tried appeasing anons here, which would've almost worked if she didn't also try to side with cows.
Monique, irrespective of her illness, occasionally just wants attention. If she did this ALL the time, consistently, she'd probably be a cow here too.
Talk all you want, just don't expect everyone to be pleased when you keep repeating the same vapid comments yet again. Same thing about Rae, people wouldn't shut up about the same things over and over again, glad she got her own thread. But in Rae's case, at least you could justify people coming for her because she's a delusional cunt.
Also, if you wanna criticize someone's flaws, at least do it right and explain the reasoning behind the criticism. I'm aware several people did it that way, and I'm just talking to the ones who are trying to turn art critique into some sort of petty weapon.
I don't like her argument that all the dumb choices she made were because she was a middle schooler/highschooler/college kid, etc.
Can't she just admit she was dumb as hell?
youtube keeps recommending me that video
I checked the other content she has and there are like two more videos about her being the victim of something
if you are so fucking fragile why would you showcase it to the world…
No, because to the likes of her anything she may have done wrong being pointed out is "victim blaming" or some crap like that.>>296834>I checked the other content she has and there are like two more videos about her being the victim of something
Dude, I noticed the same thing. It's like everything she does is orchestrated to make herself seem like the poorest little thing in the world. I hate that whole type of person who feeds on (and thinks they are entitled to have) sympathy.
"How I met my abusive ex" is not a piece of content anyone should make imo, unless you're trying to teach people how to recognize red flags.
In a similar vein, TwistedDisaster streamed this on her channel and I thought it was extremely cringeworthy and uncomfortable, she says she doesn't need money yet has donations turned on?
Who does that? 'I need to get onto YouTube and go live and sob.' Like, this isn't the proper outlet, crying to your fans.
She's sobbing and crying but telling people not to worry bc she has a' roof over their heads', a paid wedding in a month, and her fiance has a job opportunity… So what is it shes crying over exactly?
Maybe I am being harsh because she's just fussing about 1st world problems that she literally keeps saying "oh yeah it's not a problem"
She made sure to keep that superchat open for almost an hour though.
Maybe instead of wasting the time she said was such a problem, she should've just buckled down on commissions and fucking job hunting.
Can someone explain me something? What's with those porcelain girls? As in those girls who show themselves to be so fragile they look like they're gonna break at any moment. I wonder if she's just a huge drama queen or someone who has a genuine problem (I know people like this irl and still wonder what's up). If she's really as fragile and incapable of fending for herself as she painted herself to be, she shouldn't be allowed on the internet/anywhere without supervision.
She chalked up all criticism aside as "her being a kid" but she was 13, not a helpless toddler.
Mostly this, this guy told them to gtfo a year ago, and they just stopped looking once he didn't evict them immediately? Tough titty. >>297148
13 is a kid imo, most 13 year olds are not mature at all. Doesn't excuse everything, but still.
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Hi, first time posting on here, sorry for any mistakes
There's this animation memer called Lovely Lauren that's been getting popular lately, and I get a bad feeling whenever I see her stuff
She specialises in "creepy" stuff, which isn't why I dislike her, just that she seems to look down on people who draw cutesy stuff instead of being creepy
I actually found her channel first because of Pkrussl's meme review of Sir Fluff, where she commented "zoinks". I thought it was just a joke at first, but after visiting her Tumblr and seeing that she only likes two animators (Sir Fluff excluded, by the way), it started to feel a bit condescending
All her OCs seem to have mental illnesses of sorts, and as far as I know from their bios, their personalities are really flat with no real goal or ambition but mental illnesses thrown in randomly, which is kind of a dick move if she thinks mental illnesses contribute to her creepy aesthetic
This is her latest OC
That could be part of the reason, but it might also be because she's becoming irrelevant, and she's finding that the return on investment for making videos for YT isn't satisfying to her anymore and that's fine? I'm not sure what she expected when it comes to her numbers vs others who do different content.
Isn't she the one who founded the YTAC? she doesn't really have anything to complain about. She's doing fine. She's just deciding to kind of cut her losses unless the video she wants to make is better quality and that's fine. Fussing about her numbers vs others in her circle isn't going to help her tho.
Edited to add that the same thing is kind of happening to baylee, she had similar worries, even though she hit that 1 mil milestone her views are still less than stellar.
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This person goes by DivineSpiritual on DA, and their name is Chris/Chrissy
All of their art is either a bad attempt at the DP art style or attempting to do the BH6 tv-show art style and somehow giving everyone the same face.
A few years back they became kind of a well known artist in the DP fandom bc most OCs were recolors of canon characters as opposed to being drawn.
This resulted in a hugeass egotistical person who cannot take critic leveled at their poorly written, poorly drawn characters. If you don't like their art, or their characters you're a 'hater.' Their main self-insert-sue is a character named Carrie Angel.
You can google her and get a few results from various sue-blogs from a while back.
Not to mention she keeps switching universes w/ her character soley to ship them with whatever character she finds 'omg hawt' at the time.
This woman is almost 30.
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Sorry for slightly off topic, but speaking of the DP fandom and shitty recolored OC's, does anyone remember that guy who shot up a supermarket and was super obsessed with Ember from Danny Phantom. He even had a whole group of rip off OC's of her that he called Ember's Ghost Squad, and made and animation where they performed a colombine-esque shooting. The videos he releases prior to the crime, were filled with him talking about her along side him discussing his plan.
G O A S T
P U C C I
I like to assume they are either lying about their age or of course their time with copics (or ect). There are people who have started art very early in life, but the way half of them draw and seem thats not the case.
I just want to say that Im sooo tired of Youtube artist in general. Espically the younger ones (teens-20 somethings). I wouldnt be so annoyed with them if they were chill and just drew what they liked and relaxed and admitted their mistakes. But half of them are bitchy and passive agressive and think they are way more skilled than they actaully are. I miss the days when YouTube had artist who a.actaully knew what they were talking about b.just do speedpaints with music. But thats just my take, the Youtube art community is really getting obnoxious. But how do you guys feel about it?
Lemia is insufferable imo. I was introduced to her via her "My Art Teachers Hate Anime" video.
Her (sensible) art teacher in high school (rightfully) told her that her animu fanart is garbage. Now, over ten years down the road, she's bitching about it. If only she'd listened to him, maybe then her art wouldn't be so crap lmao
She says she thinks he hated her because he gave her a bad grade… on an assignment she literally stated he did incorrectly. But nooo, clearly he must hate you! What is it with shitty Youtube artists and taking criticism so personally?
There's a reason art professors and teachers hate anime- you're supposed to learn proper anatomy before you learn stylized anime. Learning anime first (especially in high school) will permanently fuck your ability to grasp anatomy and proportions. It's putting the horse before the cart.
When a student walks into a college figure class with a portfolio full of anime, guess what the professor thinks? "Great, I'm going to have to UN-teach them all the incorrect anime anatomy they learned before I even begin to teach them actual anatomy."
When high school teachers weed out no-talent weebs, it basically makes professors' jobs easier.>>298988
I really wish she would. She's a no-talent weeaboo hack who is a harmful influence to aspiring artists.
I don't see that as a problem because we don't really have to watch anyone. It's almost like we enter some kind of trance with social media and forget we can just unfollow people. I'd catch myself bitching inside my head about how so and so artist is stuck in the same style for ages, until I suddenly had the realization that it was about time for me to unfollow them, instead of expecting them to meet my expectations. I could compare that with how I'd be reluctant to drop a series that was getting boring just because I've watched it for ages.
So, the speedpaint+music videos still exist, or you could just turn off the sound and listen to your own music. It's all about what we choose to watch.
I'm gonna list the ones I know, even the ones I don't watch because they might catch your fancy. I'm adding all the channels I can remember seeing art vlog content from, but some of them haven't uploaded in a long time or haven't done vlogs in a while. And some of them have had very few vlogs so far. Also added the ones you guys already mentioned just to keep them all in one post:
Furry Little Peach
Following the White Rabbit
Fran Meneses (her vids are very vlog style even if they aren't titled as so)
Happy D. Artist
The Average Artist
The Art Side of Life
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It seems to most often be people using watercolours, ecoline is a liquid watercolour, but I’ve seen people even claim their acrylic or pencil illustrations to be inktober
somewhat OT but i absolutely hate this meme of using watercolors. the pic you posted is really indicative of everything wrong with it. watercolors are great in the right picture, or when used well, but this picture just shows bad usage and poor color control. (and even worse "inking".)
watercolors are super simple to learn but difficult to master and i hate how everyone and their mom use them like they're pro with them.
What do you suggest people use if not the medium they enjoy, anon
I don’t see what’s wrong with watercolours
>>303350>This meme of using watercolors
Since when is using a material a meme?>I hate how everyone and their mom use them like they're pro with them
Oh lord, too many people using watercolors? All while not being a master at them? Jee, we have to notify the appropriate autorithies immediately. That sacrilege simply won't do.
All jokes aside sounds like you're finding weird reasons to be upset.
>>303364>anon says watercolours are trendy>says people who suck with them suck
those aren't weird reasons, you just sound really offended for some reason. she even said she likes good
watercolour, not that she hates them.
no one threw salt at you
though lmao, are you one of those people she's talking about?
I was hoping someone would call her out in the comments but nope…
Inktober is totally shit now, people are just milking it for likes and follows
I wish there were more art chanllenges going on
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Again, it’s just the stuff she usually makes. Why is it so often watercolour artists that do the exact same illustrations as usual and call them inktober? Jacquelin de Leon did it last year too from what I remember
If you're gonna police the thread, at least police everyone who's going off topic. >>303397
was a react to >>303395
, and you made no mention of the first one.>>303402
People love coming here to talk shit about the big Youtubers but can't handle it when the cannon turns towards them, huh?
I'm not still here talking because of anon's opinion, it's the general reaction to throwing back salt at other anons that kept me here. See, I think you're all in your right to throw shit at me because I'm being salty, but there seems to be some high offense to anons reacting to other anons here, with some people going as far as to say this is a safe space to rant (previously in the thread).>>303411
Don't need to be sorry, of course I do, why else would any decent artist be wasting their time here otherwise?>>303412
You know how these things work, if you don't feed them they will stop coming. If I'm still here is because I'm being fed.
ok shitty youtube artist, time for your nap.
Anyway inktober is a shitshow. Artists tend to be so stuck up about what other artists are doing that the next thing they know they're 2 days behind and still trying to gatekeep an arbitrary challenge that's open to anyone to interpret.
I always found the 'official' prompt lists to be shit, though Jake Parker makes absolute bank for throwing words up in a graphic every year. Not gonna lie, wish I'd thought of it.
Inktober themed art boxes for October, and amazon affiliate links!
There's nothing wrong with making money off an idea you came up with though. if it's another stream of revenue that works, it works.
I feel like the most annoying part is that all these people in a way feel entitled to participate, without following any of the rules set out for them, and still get awarded for it.
Jake Parker himself stated so many times that; it’s a traditional mediums challenge, the main focus has to be inks
That’s it. And people STILL have trouble keeping to the rules when they’re so simple, like, it’s on the fucking tin! INKtober
Really gives me the shits every time inktober rolls around
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Have any of you heard of Jenny Check?she’s scabslut/Jenny.meat on ig and internetslutclub on tumblr. She’s gotten pretty popular on tumblr recently for her bimbo fetish art. She also has a real tattoo artist job. Hate the way she draws lips (and the fact that she makes gross fetish art)
And someone actually got that tattooed on their body, yikes
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That hand is so wrong lmao!
Yep, she went to an art school
I wonder who let her out of it with such shit skills
this reminds me of the kids that post shitty drawings of manga girls hiding their hands behind their back on deviantart. But that's justified when you're TWELVE, not when you went to fucking art school and are in your twenties.
Has she got no shame? I'd be emberassed to death to post this online
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Eastern New Mexico University
This is on her insta
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her newest inktober drawing
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does she think that
also lmao at the marriot paper.
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There are comments on Twitter though: https://twitter.com/SuperRaeDizzle/status/1046866208253984768
Also she doesn't understand that the thumb is on the wrong side lol. BFA GRANTED!
She got super defensive it looks like.
And now she feels like she has to 'prove' something by making that and calling it realism.
She doesn't know how to take criticism, she's just fishing for asspats.
Couldn't watch the whole video, she's annoying me
Would it kill them to actually try traditional ink? Learn something?
The official website says you can use watercolour, it just suggests sticking to one colour; probably because a black watercolour can be used pretty much the same as a black liquid ink. They've definitely expanded the official challenge to include more mediums and appeal to a wider range of artists, although I remember when it first came about and it was actually focused on the whole concept of inking.
I don't think I'd worry so much that people used watercolour if they were using it to "ink" a piece, but people that just create typical paintings with watercolour definitely bend the rules a bit too much in their favour.
I know the digital art community got really upset last year when Parker said digital work wasn't fully in the spirit of a permanent stroke that can't be undone, which also sparked a lot of claims of ableism, meanwhile the website had a promotion with Autodesk, so honestly I don't think even he knows what he wants out of the challenge.
I know im gonna get it for this, but am I the ONLY one who gets annoyed by LavenderTowne's voice… Its like way to "uwu" for me to the point I can barely listen to her videos without cringing or skipping through.
I mean, I think he art is fine and all ((decent)), but her whole "anime persona" like you anon's said is very jarring.
creepshowart kinda reminds me of that spechie girl but with a more edgy. nastier "idgaf, I'm a bitch" attitude. It just sounds like she's always angry and is condescending.
just did more research on her and she never seems to shut up about the evul sjaywoos. She cut ties with her sister because she doesn't agree or share the same political views as her, even to the point of calling her a psychopath. Her and her sister are literally the same person just on different ends on the spectrum, loud and retarded, and she always spergs about it. if she isn't sperging about the sjaywoos, it's either people criticizing her vids or pointless shit like the inktober vid.
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anyway the inktober discourse is such a dreading ass topic from the perspective of artists who are willing to challenge themselves and kids like this are the reason why
"it's not about ink!"
>Every October, artists all over the world take on the Inktober drawing challenge by doing one ink drawing a day the entire month.>I created Inktober in 2009 as a challenge to improve my inking skills and develop positive drawing habits. It has since grown into a worldwide endeavor with thousands of artists taking on the challenge every year.>ANYONE CAN DO INKTOBER, JUST PICK UP A PEN AND START DRAWING.
just do any of other october prompts if you refuse to actually engage with not only the spirit of the challenge, but the actual letter of it.
also how tf is it gatekeeping. literally anyone can pick up a shitty pen and some printer paper. it doesn't require much, if any, investment at all to do. fuck i hate that term so much and how people throw it around like pissbabies because their opinion is challenged in any way.
Yikes. Imagine being this delusional. Inktober should always be done traditionally, because thats litterally the point. What I dont understand is why even do the challenge if you arnt going to follow the rules and do whatever you want?? Like just dont get involved and continue to draw whatever the fuck you want. Its that simple.
Like I understand buying the materials maybe a problem (I guess), but if you MUST do it digitally then I think digital artist shouldnt be allowed to use color, undo, or erase because its starting to get out of hand. I went on IG the other day and seen some "inktober" post and they looked EXACTLY like their regular artwork, aka fully colored, regular inking/lineart, same old same old. No difference what so ever.
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it seems that some of creepshow's anger stems from competing with her sister.She always talks shit about her. Some people who try to prove themselves don't hold on to spite and let go of their anger, it just seems that she grew up with a nasty attitude.
She also admits that she loses her shit over 1 negative comment in a wave of hundreds of nice ones, god.
(From her "Why I decided to be an Artist" vid btw)
This type of shit discussion happens every year and it's so fucking annoying, it's called INKtober for a reason. I genuinely don't understand why people just want a CHALLENGE to be altered to their own specific needs just so they can get a couple of followers.
It's almost as disheartening that Jake Parker finally gave in and told people they can use digital too, but good for him that he got sponsors I guess.
From the official Inktober FAQ:
>Q. Can I work digitally?>A: Yes. Initially, the challenge of Inktober was focused on traditional inking. Although learning how to ink digitally is a skill separate from traditional inking it is no less valid. If you want to improve your digital inking skills then doing Inktober digitally is a great way to challenge yourself. Just be cool to those who want to use traditional inks. And traditional inkers, be cool to those who are trying to improve with their digital inking.
Don't get me wrong, I preferred when inktober was an actual inking challenge, but you can't get high an mighty that people are including digital in Inktober when the actual official Inktober challenge website has decided to include digital. It's not her fault that it's included.
I did it last year and got fewer likes etc than usual, unless you are actually Loish or someone like that there's no point in doing it for visibility