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>>>/ot/2550003 No. 2589583
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This is so fucking funny
No. 2589599
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>>2589583Samefag. I love the outcry for the "natural body type" of a cartoon bat. Methodology in learning anatomy? Just say you're mad your childhood goon fantasy isn't sexy anymore, Noone is going to hurt you. Funniest part is that she still has big honkers in the idw comics and some recent games so it's not like the censorship accusations hold much water.
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>>2589583>>2589599>nowAre these people retarded? It's been over 20 years.
No. 2589617
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>>2589583I have been seeing genderbent rouge and ngl it's kind of hot.
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>>2589599>A female character's breast size is reduced>"SEGA just took away everything interesting about her!"Perhaps there is something to be learnt from this.
No. 2589632
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>>2589599>>2589583I don't really care too much about her boobs either way. I personally love Rouge because she tried to murder Chris Thorndyke and then used Shadows PTSD against him in order to get a shiny rock.
She then proceeded to shamelessly flirt with human women.
Rouge is a man hating, woman respecting queen.
No. 2589640
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>>2589583Nobody on Earth should be this concerned with something as meaningless as the cup size of a fucking cartoon bat. Jesus Christ, men these days are fucking worthless.
No. 2589644
>>2589640Men dont belong in the sonic fandom.
Literally all they know about the female Sonic characters are either their breast sizes or how often they have seen their panties.
Also like 99 percent of adult male Sonic fans are pedophiles.
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>>2589583>>2589599I guess these uber autistic retards forgot about Lanolin The Sheep. in some comic panels her bust size is exaggerated and large. All they care about is their boring ugly bat Waifu who barely has any personality. Search Lanolin Sonic in Google images and you'll see she gets a lot of boob fetish art just like Rouge.
No. 2589679
>>2589655Lanolin was made by Adam Bryce Thomas who is a notorious coomer.
Actually its really disturbing how many Sonic coom artists are in IDW Sonic,
including this one girl who drew porn of Tails fucking her underaged OC, who she later put in the IDW comicI wish I was kidding.
No. 2590766
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what's nonnas opinion on takopi? saw nonnas liking it(wrong thread)
No. 2590922
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I miss what fandoms used to be. Pre-kweer, pre-moralfag, just before any of that stuff. I don't associate with people like that but it doesn't matter if I do or not, these brigades ruin the quality of fan content. It infects fan art, fanfiction, and in some fandoms it spreads it's way into the media itself (harassing the creators). At the moment I consume mostly eastern media but now and again something I'm into suddenly gets popular with that particular crowd. I can't ignore them and it angers me too much, I do not want to share a space with them. It feels like nothing is safe and I'm honestly considering just making something of my own so it's just for me, and nobody can get the chance to ruin it for me.
No. 2590935
>>2589632I think the cartoon is why people think Rouge is more of a seductress than she actually is. Maybe I just don't play enough Sonic material, but does she ever actually flirt with or try to seduce people all that often in the games?
I recall her just sneaking around and being smart enough to hack into places on her own. Not flashing her tits around to get people to do shit for her.
No. 2590966
>>2590935Sperg incoming but imo in the games she's in she's like the slightly tacky but actually rich aunt who unironically likes pink leopard print. She's sexy, she knows how to use it, but she's not interested. She likes money and luxury and that's it. Even her banter with Knuckles is more like her teasing him because she might find him cute but he's stupid. She's not like people portray her and she's super smart. She works for the government while also working with Robotnik if I remember correctly. The external media lost that subtlety but combined with her playable levels and personality in the games it makes me pretty sad.
Unfortunately a character who's sexy in any capacity is always overblown by fans and cooms.
No. 2590981
>>2590922I agree. Media used to be about the media not people projecting all their mental illness and moral failings onto it. Its hard to just talk about a fucking series, as it is, or even fanart that isn't something that's the creator wearing the fandom's skin to talk about themselves or project onto.
Paired with the remakes being made of older series with significant plot differences and fanfic tier changes there's a lot of this new type fan infesting comfortable fandoms who don't know how to act. Even obscure fandoms get infested because some YouTube retard made a 5hr deepdive about ooh weird game they haven't played that people watch and then bother fans of because it's cool to say you know it.
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No. 2591350
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South Park yaoi fanart controversy is always funny to me because it's (usually) not worse than what is in the actual show kek
To give the tiktok op credit though, picrel clearly has fetish motives whereas the show doesn't
No. 2591423
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>>2591350I mean in this case specifically, I'd argue that it's worse because Tweek is apparently a TiF having a period here. But yeah if we're just speaking strictly in terms of how "sexualized" the characters are, it's pretty absurd to pearl clutch when the "yaoi art" in the source material involves Tweek and Craig sticking their hands in each others' pants. Not to mention all the other instances in the show of kid characters getting raped, jerking off, doing drugs, etc. At least the fanartists typically age the kids up, while Matt and Trey themselves have no such compunction kek.
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>>2591182>please don't call people narcissists just because they're self centeredThese kids are in for a nasty surprise when they find out where the word "narcissist" comes from
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>>2591423Almost every source I could find was saying the original was guro of him chopping off his own penis. I couldnt find the original post by the artist so I assume it was deleted, but the artist is sp_owo who is believed to have a gore fetish (spoilered image being proof)
No. 2591689
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Kek it literally never stops with this show and its retarded fans.
I remember they said all the sexual assault scenes would end in season 1 too but here they are in the replies claiming that this is the last time a teenage girl gets assaulted, I s-swear guys it’s totally necessary for the plot haha
No. 2591692
>>2591689It's always Momo that keeps getting assaulted. How come the boys don't get assaulted just as much? Male sexual assault
victims exist, no? Or perhaps their genius author doesn't show that because… he can't coom to it and would legitimately make him (and his scrote audience) uncomfortable.
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>>2590922sorry to be all old woman yells at cloud but it's genuinely just the young(er) generation(s) ruining everything by ignoring all the rules and demanding to be made the fandom overseers. i've been playing ts2 ever since its release and now that it's been re-released a bunch of zoomers started playing it and are trying to break 20 years old traditions around custom content. people TRY to make them understand and teach them that they're going about it all wrong but instead of understanding that oops, they are newbies, they should stfu and learn from their "elders", they throw a fit and accuse everyone of being crusty old bitches who hate on poor/kweer/disabled new cc creators. picrel:
https://pooklet.tumblr.com/post/786735658242867200/a-quick-guide-to-the-community-culture-of-the-sims No. 2591723
>>2589599Notice how men only seem to care about women’s issues, body positivity, anti discrimination, and feminism when they imagine the
victims are super sexy women, being oppressed for their super sexy bodies. You will never hear them talk about how women are discriminated against/maligned for their “natural state” if they’re ugly.
I don’t think they think there are sexy big boobied queens out there crying every day because the world is so mean to them.
Ironically, it is, but the cruelty and dehumanization is not coming from “jealous uggos”. It’s coming from these very same men, who objectify them.
I swear they all have this nice guy savior fantasy where ugly hags are tormenting hot young women, he comes to defend her honor, and is rewarded with her love and sex, of course.
If Rouge started out more plain and was bimbofied over time, no men would be crying about “misogyny”. They are so cynical and pathetic. There’s nothing I hate more than people who are transactionally moral. Just say what you are and go. Stop pretending to care about female representation.
No. 2592527
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>>2592512They are a very
toxic couple it was bound to happen.
No. 2593090
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>>2593025>>2593038American McGee founded Plushie Dreadfuls right? The same man whose turbo pickme mom abandoned him as a teen to pay for a troon's surgery? Fucking disgusting, I honestly wonder what happened to them and I hope they both died. Anyway, he has severe Stockholm syndrome with these faggots, nothing but getting hurled insults from the people he panders to the most. Anyway as an autist picrel is super cute and I wanna get one.
No. 2593101
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>>2593098I just saw that, sad and depressing. If a Gamergater faggot actually targeted his sister that's fucking vile. I don't have sympathy for scrotes most of the time but his life seems horrifying.
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>>2593038>This is pseudoscience Do they know there’s psychologists who think DID and gender dysphoria are pseudoscience? I don’t know enough about psychology to have an opinion, but it’s a weird stance. Sidenote, I’d find these plushies pretty cute if it weren’t for the corny themes.
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>>2593090kek this reminded me of the drama with lolcow rin
No. 2593366
>>2593355The contrast between MTFs and FTMs on the "easy to please" scale being reversed is kinda hilarious
MTF troons literally schizo so hard that they convince themselves futanari manga is "le representation!" while fakebois aren't satisfied by people directly shilling their mental illness in a way made only for them (bunny rabbit dolls in this case, something only a fakeboi would buy or have interest in)
No. 2593473
>>2593472>because the original was "infantilising"She literally put a rattle in hers as opposed to just having it be a typical plush kek
Even the colors make it read more as a toy for infants.
No. 2593778
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Deleted all my fandom accounts (kept an empty one just to follow JP fanartists kek) because everyone in my fandom is a massive retard and the discourse kept pissing me off. I know I made the right decision but it feels so lonely, nonnas. I just want to talk to people about this thing I love but the fandom made it impossible. Tell me I'll eventually get used to just consuming fanart on my own pls.
No. 2593797
>>2593778You'll get used to it… I've done a similar thing,
nonnie. Honestly, it was an instant relief for me. I used to get angry to the point where I started to dislike the media itself. Stepping away from the fandomspace made me feel so much better. I've been able able to navigate my own ideas about the media without having some retard or gendie's take clouding my ideas. It was a little different not being able to openly posting about it, but I've used lolcow and other chan sites to air out my ideas.
No. 2593804
>>2593797This was me a few months ago. I just couldn't stand the retarded takes and character butchering any longer, and like you, I have no regrets. I can finally enjoy the franchise and characters again, so
>>2593778 nonna, while it can still be lonely, you'll see that you made the right decision.
No. 2594039
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Unappealing baby versions of popular husbandos being made into plushes is not a fan-merch market that I think would be lucrative in the slightest.
No. 2594075
>>2594065Tbh I dont remember rin making it because the original was infantilizing, I remember people were pissed at her because
her redesign was infantalizing. I feel like that anon had it mixed up
No. 2594084
>>2594039…Why are western artists so scared of making things that look good?
The concept is pretty cute, I love the certificate thing and is a funny little trinket, but was it so hard to make the design appealing instead of looking like a 50yo who works 20 hours daily?
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>>2594039Why did they make it look like a baby that just came out of the womb?
No. 2594137
>>2593778Being so annoyed with fandom it made me start disliking the source has happened to me more times than I can remember. I avoid social media (always have), stay away from Reddit subs for the fandom for the most part, and NEVER join Discord servers if it’s for something I really like, unless it’s a very tiny fandom and the fans happen to be cool. (Uncommon.)
I just collect fanart I like and write fics. Once in a blue moon I draw some fanart myself, but I don’t post it anywhere big, just share it among a few people. It can feel a little lonelier but it’s much better for continuing to appreciate the source.
No. 2594403
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I don't necessarily disagree with the artist's point here, but I checked on her profile expecting her to be a teenager. In my experience, only children tend to care about this shit enough to make seethe comics about it. But she's 28. You know what? If you were born during the fucking Clinton administration, you're now at a point in your life were you almost certainly have more important shit to worry about than Harry Potter fans complaining about anime fanart online.
No. 2594491
>>2594403Retarded take on the comic part. Assuming you have to do a deep search next time you like someone's art is police state mentality.
Not only that but if those people had a clean place from where they can get normal fan art/fiction you wouldn't see as much cognitive dissonance as its presented in strawman comic.
I hate it when characters get tit chop scars and randomly exclaim "____ rights are human rights" but the clean pool is soo small that I have to make compromises if I wanna look at more than the same 10 pictures. So why is it any different to the le bad characters in the comic? (Excluding the obvious
problematic themes like pedophilia and incest)
This is the culture we live in. Artists always took inspiration from folklore, literature, art, music, theater, philosophy, religion, literally anything you can get your hands on. No suprise we're where we're at with fandoms. Everyone is drinking shit water and making shit. Yeah Michael Aftom is a tim and that's as far as anything goes. White background and all.
Damned if you do damned if you don't.
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>>2594084Isnt Sunday a very handsome bishie from honkai star rail? It's so utterly stupid how they made him look how the mc in the benjamin button movie looked right after birth. As someone who makes plushies and frequently turns her fav anime boys into their cutified mini versions like picrel, I find that pic so offensive that I have to restrain myself from punching my screen. The idea of a birth certificate isn't unique either, it's pretty popular in among chinese/Korean fanmade dolls. Trust Western fandom to ruin everything
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>>2594039>>2594084>>2594757I don’t know these characters so I had to look him up and holy shit. They make him look like a mollusk, emerging from his shell due to inadequate salinity in the water.
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>>2589027the threadpic is pissing me off so bad. what even was the patient 0 for the stupid wing ears thing. earliest example i remember personally seeing is how mcytards started drawing grian's mc skin (picrel).
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>>2594761>>2594039the whole thing about this plush is that it's a meme version since baby birds are ugly and fucked up looking. 'ugly baby sunday' was a thing on twitter for a few days. i dont know why you would make a plush of this meme but people are crazy i guess
https://x.com/ibanyaoi/status/1775869914064056323 No. 2594961
>>2594403>but I checked on her profile expecting her to be a teenager>In my experience, only children tend to care about this shit enough to make seethe comics about it. But she's 28.This is an unpopular opinion on top of my experience being opposite to yours, but so many older fandom people drank the kool aid and they can be the most stubborn self-righteous assholes. A teenager hopefully grows out of it or is nothing more than an annoyance, but old fandom dogs clearly can't fucking learn new tricks and it's even worse when they hold strong community positions.
>were born during the fucking Clinton administration, you're now at a point in your life were you almost certainly have more important shit to worry about than Harry Potter fans complaining about anime fanart onlineAside from that I think this is true kek I'm so over this type of self infantilizing arrested development presence in fandoms. Stop making these shitty comics.
No. 2594999
Is it me or do kids/zoomers nowadays have zero fandom vocabulary? I saw some guy on insta joking that he couldn't name a shounen with a female mc and there a bunch of people in the comments very confidently correcting him that "erm shounen means the lead is a boy if the lead is a girl it's a shoujo". The most basic ass anime terminology, and they don't even know that.
Seems like nowadays the only words fandom kids know are either the ones that are turned into memes (probably the only reason they still know the words yaoi and yuri) or whatever academic-LARP buzzwords are currently pushed by youtube video essayists (like "media literacy").
>>2594039As the other nonnas said, ugly baby Sunday was a meme for a while. I agree I wouldn't imagine it to be very lucrative, though. Seems like a bizarrely specific thing to be making merch of (and plushies out of all things).
No. 2595021
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>>2594999Not exactly the same, but It baffles me when people use japanese terminologies for something in the subcultures they participate in and then newcomers get butthurted over It for whatever reason.
No. 2595022
>>2594999I think it's worse than just younger fans not knowing shit, I think it's everyone at this point– so many people have a mentality where they only take in information from some short-form content retard, who also did no research and is going off of an assumption and some random sentence-long factoid before making authoritative statements regarding it, and then lack the base curiosity to look further into it or check to see if it's true.
Just a horrid game of telephone with no one wanting to look anything up of their own volition and instead take any random comment as gospel truth.
No. 2595086
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The poster better be a troon because if it's a biological woman that's fucking embarrassing. Literally the same talking points as misogynistic men who get mad over muh DEI and female characters not being hot enough. This entire point essentially translates to
>i hate when women don't dress in ways that make me coom or fulfill my autosexual fantasies, but at least they're hot because i hate when foids are ugly in my video games! perfectly acceptable for the scrotes to be hideous though
Also, "serving cunt" is a sexist dogwhistle that pressures women into performing femininity, otherwise you're not cool and a puritan, namely wearing revealing clothing and 10 pounds of makeup.
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>>2595086Probably a real woman. Moids are allergic to Leon because they feel emasulated by his good looks.
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>>2595086She's a french edtwt girl so that explains why she's so casually misogynistic. Literally self hating.
No. 2595102
>>2595091Kek embarrassing
>>2595095France is the land of pedophilia and degeneracy and French women are massive pickmes as a result, not surprising at all. She'll never reach her UGW
No. 2595124
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> autistic fan writes and draws a fuck ton for her own AU
> fandom really likes her stuff, she gets small following within the fandom
> "i'm sick of hearing about this fic" "recommend other things"
> writer now being guilt tripped for…writing
this is happening in a fairly small fandom (cult of the lamb) but i feel like i see this happen to other authors too. their writing blows up on ao3 and suddenly people treat them like a content creator (either worshpping them and constantly demanding more of them or absolutely hating them)
i've started to see some people argue that ao3 allow hiding kudos, hits, etc. to reduce this but i feel like that would just make it even harder for less popular fics to get attention (because then you'd seem like an attention-seeker just for turning kudos on)
thoughts? imho there's some merit to both arguments but it would definitely help if tumblr artists stopped being sensitive little babies
(also 'confession' accounts will literally always cause drama, literally one of the most catty and toxic things in fandom)
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>>2595102>France is the land of pedophilia and degeneracy completely true statement
No. 2595235
>>2595124People who bitch about fanworks being popular are never the sort to actually do the work of promoting or finding and enjoying other fanworks themselves– instead of going and looking through ao3 for what they want to see, they whinge and ask to be spoonfed recs, and recs will always be the fics with the most broad and accepted appeal, since then the person recommending them doesn't risk anything by doing so. Either make your own stuff or publicly praise other's work that you enjoy and help it gain attention, it's not that hard.
I don't think hiding features on ao3 is the solution, since that would only effect a portion of uses that pay attention to those numbers and not things like tags, characters, summaries, etc. Instead, people should simply tell those who complain about others' success in fandom or works being recommended frequently to get over it and look for fic themselves instead of being lazy.
If they're a writer and that concerned with a lack of attention towards their own works, then they need to either realise that no one
owes them more attention, especially not because someone else is getting more, and to maybe reflect on
why they might not be attracting readers to their stories– not so that they can change to write something designed to appeal to what other fans are clearly enjoying in popular fics, but sometimes it helps to recognise that what you like to create is niche and will get a niche response and that's okay. Also, in my experience, these types of complaints rarely come from people who actually do write as well as they think they do (same for artists tbh), and often write fics that are the wrong kind of self-indulgent for other fans to enjoy.
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I hate husbandofags and fujoshits that solely have oshis and otps from shounenslop and moidbait gachas like hoyoverse properties, it’s extreme tourist behavior (shounenslop is always the shit getting whored out to the western gp esp recently, fucking garbage like demon slayer and jjk get massive global fandoms while even long term dedicated anime fans will struggle to name a shoujo series that came out in the last five or even ten years) and stifles the traction and recognition of female BL manga, Otome and shoujo romance/bishounen shoujo creators in favor of male pedophiles who either coincidentally center male characters in his story because hes too much of a chauvinist that can’t resonate with or relate to women to even create waifuslop or waifufags that were mandated by corpo to add some bishies for the Chinese Stacys to whale over, I feel like one of the only tangibly feminist proponents of the church of husbandoism is that we are relating to stories made by women, supporting female creators and supporting female artisans in our community, with shounensloppers, you’re funneling millions into the pockets of japenises because you like their male self inserts, and are setting a trend for more male stories by male authors and less female stories or female gaze stories by female artists. Though I am guilty of having garbo taste in husbandos from moidmedia, some of my ult hubbies are Inuyasha (I moralize this bc Rumiko Takahashi made him and Inuyasha is one of her least scrotey series) and Hawks (I started husbandoing him after finding a terfblr blog themed around him years ago LMAO) so even if I don’t agree, I understand the inclination, also I tend to like shounen art styles a bit more than some generic BL and manhwa ones, the vibrant and avant-garde characters and sometimes cutely deformed styles really appeals to me.
Nonnas, do you prefer your Husbandos or BL OTPs to be from dedicated BL media, Otome games or other female made genres, or do your Nigels tend to be from Shounen or other Male target demographic media like most vidya, etc?
No. 2595454
>>2595328Tbh it's only very recently that I started paying that much attention to demographic, magazine, or tags. I've always been the type to go to the updates page on a manga aggregator site and pick any random title that seems like it'd be a time waster, isekai and twitter one page romcoms included. Tgat being said, since shoujo gets translated less I guess I would lean more on the moidy side?
That being said, I feel like I have enough of a specific niche type that I'll eat wherever it manages to pop up regardless of origin.
No. 2596075
>>2595328Characters I enjoy for BL I never enjoy for husbando purposes. I tried getting into otome and I just can't deal with the popular character archetypes, tropes and writing conventions popular in it. A lot of the love interest characters are just way too mean, Japanese users also seem to have a preference for characters who are contrary to their original presentation so even if you go for the sweetie-pie route he always busts out some unwelcome dom shit. I do like manga written by women when it isn't focused on romance because in romance series I
always prefer the losing option, my tastes are just not aligned with what Japanese women like.
In the West romance novels are huge and they are mostly written by women, so it isn't as if there aren't likeminded women whose preferences would align with yours it's just that prose lacks the visual element that is core to fandom culture and husbandoing.
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Things moids would never consider arguing about regarding their waifus.
No. 2596123
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>>2595328Dedicated BL or otome media for me all the way. I'm peak canonfag, 99% of the time if the canon ships in a story doesn't interest me, I will simply not bother to ship anything from that franchise and enjoy it outside of a shipping context. My life is busy and stressful as it is, can't be bothered to put extra effort into manifesting imaginary relationships. It's not like I hate derivative works by principle, I write fanfics myself. But for me it's always an extension or exploration of the existing worldbuildling and character relationships, instead of just "what if X and Y kissed" when X and Y have literally never met and only share the common feature of being 2d hot guys, kek. I can't bring myself to give a shit about fanons that run counter to canon and most of shounen shipping falls in that category. Plenty of my friends are into that type of shipping though, listening to them sperg out over it can be funny. Idk about nonnies in this thread but pretty often they lose interest rather quickly, sell off merch of their past otp and latch on to the next fomo anime, so I don't take it too seriously
(fujosperg outside of containment) No. 2596143
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>>2595328It's been ages and my OTPs are still Style and HaruYuki. I dont know if it's arrested development or i just peaked too early but the heart wants what the heart wants.
No. 2596172
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>>2595328Counterpoint: homofying some moid's favorite character and making him take a dick up his ass/shove his dick up some other man's ass is feminist praxis.
(fujosperg outside of containment) No. 2596294
>>2596088I joked about Link being Zelda’s dog, and both moids and a handmaiden got
triggered and had some fucking hilarious “let men be dominant!” “Let women be submissive” ass response to it like that isn’t the status quo. There is evidently nothing people hate more than me taking their male fave and making him submissive and devoted to one woman and one woman only. It
triggers them like nothing else. They literally sooner defend lolishit and making bishounens into violent burger moid insert roidpigs, or with titchop scars, but femdom or men being the submissive partner to a woman where they draw the line in the sand omegalul. I love making the male characters virgins and the woman experienced as well lately because they constantly do the opposite and it pisses them off “nooo! Only the man is supposed to be experienced! It’s his right as a man! The woman is supposed to be pure!!!” They completely fail to notice the double standard they have kek
No. 2596334
>>2596172Exactly, if scrotes can corrupt MLP, magical girls and other girl-targeted media with their moid touch why can’t fujos and yumes do the same to scrote media?
>>2595328Imo the insistence of enforcing a certain level of purity on what media is acceptable to consume for husbandos and shipping is counterproductive because then what are we left with that lives up to those standards? Utena, a show that farmers would unanimously agree is a feminist classic, was made by a man who arguably has a lesbian fetish. One could also argue that a lot female gaze media made by and for a female audience (Western romance lit, otome games, some shoujo manga) is also ripe with misogynistic tropes.
Genre shifts don’t happen overnight; the girl-ification of the shounen genre was a gradual shift that occurred over decades. Femgaze content is a relatively new genre so it needs time to develop its footing. TL;DR the existing female-targeted content for women is not going to be ideologically perfect so we must continue to be the change we want to see and iterate on the stuff we do like to encourage change.
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>>2595328I personally don't watch shounenshit or play moid gacha because it doesn't interest me and a lot of the male characters are ugly, plain, or not to my taste at all personality-wise. It does annoy me that a lot of other female weebs tend to avoid shoujo/otome/BL and gravitate towards eating crumbs that fall off of shounenshit but I guess that's a result of anime/manga/games becoming mainstream.
(fujosperg outside of containment) No. 2596531
>>2595328tbh as much as i like to indulge in otome/bl sometimes, it's really hard for me to get attached to the characters from those games enough to husbando them. i've tried a lot of them and even when there's a guy who's my type, i just don't feel for him as strongly as i would for a guy from non-romance-related media. i guess them being made mostly to be an object of desire is my roadblock, i like my 2d men with a life outside of MC-chan.
my favourite husbando source for that reason is rpgs with romance elements, i feel like they strike the perfect balance where you can see your favourite character from both sides: the way he acts in situations completely unrelated to your (MC's) relationship with him and also through a love story.
the main con of this is that you'll have to get used to seeing a lot of yumeart with other people's characters. not a problem for some but once i started getting a bit too autistic about my hasu i stopped looking up fanart of him for that reason. oh and that for most nonas men in western rpgs are too ugly, which i'm not gonna dispute - i guess the closest to a bishie equivalent of this would be the P3P femc routei know my main hasu is written by a woman though so i'm good in that regard i guess.
No. 2596550
>>2596520understandable. a lot of stuff gets labeled as shounen or seinen even if it doesn't even meet most of its tropes just to be marketed for a general audience or just because they have a style that's slightly different. it's actually way more varied than BL or shoujo as a result.
>>2596514except that won't change that there isn't that much variety in its styles or stories, with some exception. I don't like slice of life, romance, or any fluffy school stories. there's some fantasy ones I like regardless, like Yona of the Dawn, that I'm happy to support but the characters look like 15 year olds so I'm not really attracted to them and I really dislike Hak which makes the romance even worse to witness.
No. 2596559
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(Im dwelling on this because of Ethel Cain being cancelled) I feel like a creator getting cancelled for saying the N word is so dumb when they have a backlog of sexual perversions & misogyny that went ignored. Maybe I'm bitter. But I see it time and time again in fandoms, especially with people who make content such as pedophilic fanart of incest ships or super-gooner depictions of women. Why is it so cool and valid and artistic to be a pedophile or a misogynist to the core, but saying "nigger" for edgy points is where the line is drawn? Fandom & the way people engage with media is so poisoned
No. 2596579
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>>2596559I think proship/anti discourse is dumb but I think it's really funny when proshippers who coom to rape start acting like they're holier than thou over the most banal jokes ever. I can't find the exact screenshots since the girl who started it all was suspended. But basically she posted picrel, got backlash, someone joked "The CP is all yours broski" and she and her followers got mad and said that they were basically encouraging and accusing a minor of having CP. Like sure it's a crass joke but you're the one who brags about liking boku no pico.
Bonus, this is a 15 y/o girl bragging about what hentai she likes. Bleak.
No. 2596592
>>2596551I don't care kek. it's very unlikely many meaningful new properties will be developed under current corporate circumstances and even less likely genres will by fully redefined, which is why a lot of old classics are now being rehashed so much. if you got what you wanted it's likelier that more "new" tropey stories, dumb merch and soulless gacha being developed deliberately to pander to audiences would become far more common. good stuff would still remain niche or only rarely be picked up. also I don't like when my husbandos are automatons designed in a factory for me either and I don't even buy anything from his franchise. why would I want to encourage the machine to shoot out more slop for me by buying more plastic?
>>2596570same. what wonderful news.
No. 2596598
>>2596579I think having your real age on the profile you use to ragebait and shock audiences and then complain people wont take easy on you is such a retarded behavior.
I don't mind most proship interests since I'm technically one too, but now the only people who continue this anti vs pro debate on the side of proshipping on social media are only there to ragebait and cry
victim when people start thinking It's retarded to be so vocal about liking shotas or whatever. I mean, if you are going to post about It, then learn to either block or not act so affected (which only serves to make you receive more negative attention, but I think that's part of the appeal to them).
No. 2596602
>>2595328I'm a fujo and I probably have autism regarding this, but I basically tend to enjoy m/m ships and their fancontent (regardless of canon status) in most media I consume, however I will draw a line regarding my ''investment'' and interaction with fandom depending on whether the anime/game/whatever was made with a fujo audience in mind or not.
Basically, I'll enjoy gacha fotm ship content from a distance, but I won't engage with the fandom more than that, and I definitely wouldn't spend money on the game (or merch), make content for it myself, etc. I do wish fujos had higher standards in general and didn't settle for slop, but it's not like I can change their minds and get them to draw content for my ships instead.
I don't enjoy original BL that much, but it's mostly because I have specific preferences and it's easier to find ships that 100% suit my tastes in fujo-pandering-but-not-outright-BL shows. Sadly it's been a bit dry these days when it comes to anime of this kind, but at least we got Blue Lock(just ignore the s2 animation), and hopefully Hikaru ga shinda natsu ends up being good (I haven't read the manga).
(fujosperg outside of containment) No. 2596676
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Nonnies, what impact do you feel video essays have had on fandom spaces?
>Have you joined any fandoms because of a video essay?
>Has your fandom been infiltrated by zoomers because of a video essay uploaded about it? >Has the discourse, headcanons and general consensus around the lore of your fandom been heavily influenced by popular video essays?
>Do you feel like video essays could provide any positive impacts to your fandom?
Picrel is referencing when y2k zoomer grifter Izzyzzz got into a spat over this video with an established Doll YouTuber Xcanadensis because she stole her photos and documentation of prototypes for an unreleased doll line. I feel like Izzyzzz is the most egregious example of insufferable detached video essayist implanting themselves in niche fandom spaces and overloading them with 13 year old genderfuck retrosexual sparkledogs with DID, god I pity any nonna who’s fandom or niche interest she’s covered. Her are a guilty pleasure for me but it’d be better if she quit YouTube to fully focus on her studies in clown college
No. 2596677
>>2596559Being racist is pretty bad, and it's not a surprise that so many sex pest trannies are also racist, but I understand that some of you are racist or are low IQ pickmes who "had an edgy racism phase omg stop being so mean!!" so being reminded of this is
triggering or something, kek. I don't feel bad at all.
No. 2596690
>>2596676I only really watch video essays if I either know of a subject and want to revisit it or am not going to ever get into it but want to know about it anyway.
I'm in a fandom with a bunch of video essayists that I didn't even know about, and I had wondered where all these retarded supposed lorefags that are wildly off came from, but once I started seeing the videos recommended everything made sense. Zoomers, gendies, racist moids, it's literally just brought the worst of everyone and nobody is even correct when they talk about the lore because none of them have actually ever engaged with it outside if video essays.
If Izzyzzz covered my fandom that would be a upgrade sadly kek
No. 2596696
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>>2596676>Have you joined any fandoms because of a video essay?No, I don't watch them. I tried a few times but it seems like no matter the subject it's always going to be inaccurate or missing key details. Youtubers appeal to algorithms most of the time so I don't trust them to cover my fandom well.
>Has your fandom been infiltrated by zoomers because of a video essay uploaded about it?Nope, thankfully! I have noticed a lone few zoomies but they do a fine enough job of integrating and don't insert all their bullshit within the fandom.
>Has the discourse, headcanons and general consensus around the lore of your fandom been heavily influenced by popular video essays?No but a fandom I had been in had this problem. It's difficult to have any meaningful discussions when this happens because everyone parrots the exact same opinion for the exact same reasonings. They don't actually think for themselves and therefore can't actually participate much.
>Do you feel like video essays could provide any positive impacts to your fandom?Hm, difficult to say. There's a lot of historical and folklore elements that are important to the media, if the video essay focuses purely on that aspect, I could see it being an insightful video as long as proper care is taken into researching it. That being said, video essays are watched by mindless consoomers. They care less about franchises and more about "planting their flag", for lack of a better term, they want to dominate fandoms with their morally rightous selves and leave once the newest FOTM, video essay bait franchise comes out. I wouldn't want them in my fandom because they're only good for numbers, you know those seagulls in Finding Nemo that irritatingly scream "Mine" over and over? They're a lot like that, literal hivemind.
No. 2596711
>>2596676It's mostly just newfound appreciation if it's a topic I knew little about (like a video essay I watched on OS-tans)
The stuff that gets discussed in Izzyzzz videos is usually way too uncreative for me to have any real respect for it so I usually just walk away thinking it's mildly funny like the norm of the north twitter account.
No. 2596725
>>2596707I agree with you, and I don't get the logic of some anons on this. So, because a sad number of women refuse to do anything about misogynistic white scrotes, black people need to accept being called slurs? What is the connection there, kek?
The problem lies with Macon's fellow white scrotes, his mother and all the female fans who were defending him with their lives, talking about how his fetish shit was "female rage empowerment music", "yasss kweening" that misogynistic Tumblr rant and saying he totally understands women's experiences. That is the issue, not that racism also got him in trouble eventually.
It's not everyone's job to accept anything just because one community decided to fold their hands and let a woman-hater get famous.
No. 2596823
>>2596559Wokies have a long history of defending literally everyone
but women, I don't know how you're shocked at this point. The people who run in those circles get what they deserve when the leopards eventually eat their face. That's the path Macon chose when he trooned out. Inshallah.
No. 2597101
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>>2597091That male ribcage expansion is truly inescapable
No. 2597147
>>2596725>>2596735>pedophilia and misogyny is normal and okay in fandoms but racism is not so pedophiles and misogynists are allowed to run rampant unless they said something racistAre you genuinely struggling to understand what is being said here or why it's a problem? Do you grasp that in order for a pedophile or a misogynist creator to be dealt with seriously, you have to hope someone has a screenshot of them saying something racist? Ethel Cain is just one example of someone who got away with drawing NSFW torture of kids for
years and it's only now being viewed unfavourably because someone found out he said nigger 8 years ago
No. 2597151
>>2597147>Do you grasp that in order for a pedophile or a misogynist creator to be dealt with seriously, you have to hope someone has a screenshot of them saying something racist?I feel like this is disingenuous. There are plenty of racist moids that are allowed to get away with their behavior. There were still fans of Ethel's excusing his racism. Nobody gave a shit about his supposed pedophilia or misogyny because he's a tranny who claimed to be a
victim of pedophilia and sexual assault. His fans will excuse everything he does because they believe that he's a woman and a
victim of misogynistic crimes. I've seen handmaidens say that his horrible actions are the result of "internalized misogyny". It's harder to defend his racism because he's white, but they'll still try to do it anyways
No. 2597159
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>>2596676It's so shitty when "informative" YouTube channels steal pictures or videos without credit. I know sometimes it's not always feasible to ask for permission, but at the very least they could embed credit within the video. Everything came from somewhere. The hobby content people spent $$$ and hours creating isn't there so some uninvolved stranger can mine it for views and cash.
No. 2597164
>>2596559Just my two cents but I partly blame the libfems for this. Like those Genshin "feminists" who swear up and down that their precious goo erbaint queens are totes not goonerbait because something something "she [a fictional character] can wear whatever what she wants!"
Or those who use the "muh trauma coping" to pull degenerate sexual stuff (often involving the pain of women).
No Black person is gonna go and give a non-Black person a pass for saying the N-word or perform mental gymnastics to say that blackface can be "reclamation" for past historical racial trauma.
No. 2597190
>>2597151Nta. I think ayrt is generalizing, not saying that racism is
always taken seriously in lefty fandom spaces online. There are plenty of racists being allowed to run amok, but a person is just way more likely to be canceled due to racism or troonphobia than due to misogyny. That's just objectively true, because he's been blatantly misogynistic with no pushback from anyone but GCs. I imagine there are retards defending his racism, likely other TiMs who have skeletons in their own closets and are defending Macon as a proxy for themselves. But if we look specifically at the types of people who stanned Macon only to cancel him now, it's evident they don't take misogyny as seriously as racism.
No. 2597194
>>2597180I'd say worse, because dragging a woman around by her hair is a lot more likely to happen in domestic violence situations. And generally when hair-pulling happens as a kink thing, it's during sex when both people are actually naked. The fact that they're fully dressed almost makes it seem
more like domestic violence, frankly (not that things like hair-pulling cease to be violent and demeaning during sex, but you get what I mean). I've seen some retarded cope about how it's meant to be a "parody" or "satire" of misogynistic ads from the 60s, but I don't buy that. Satire is supposed to be funny or subversive, it's just a replication of whatever the source material is. If it were "satire," the man would be on his knees getting his hair pulled, or something similarity subversive. You can't just copy something wholesale and call it satire, and Sabrina has a long history of mindlessly copying whatever shit she sees on Pinterest because she's a shallow retard with no sense of creativity or individuality. That's why her lyrics read like an ESL porn addict with a head injury wrote them.
No. 2597206
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>>2597194It would be satire if she was freshly showered and lying on her stomach in a fluffy robe, and a man was pulling her hair strands as he blows them with a dryer. As it is, it's just domestic violence for gaslit retards.
No. 2597214
>>2596559Men can't get cancelled. Does anyone remember the amber/johnny trial and how all handmaindens were rooting for johnny? he actually misgendered one of amber's tranny friends on the trial topkek. Ofcourse trannoids didn't change his stance on him or even cancelled him, he's still a poow widdle baby
victim of a woman half his size and age.
No. 2597595
>>2597431>>2597530As we all know, only men can be "of color". All women are white. Racists are only ever racist toward men, and if (by some horrible miscarriage of life) you're a woman and
not white, you need to accept racism, sweetie! How dare you not be okay with the racist troon? You should only dislike him for being a troon.
My god, some of you are stupid.
(baiting) No. 2597634
>>2597616>>2597626I barely even know who Ethel Cain is and I sure as shit don’t know what he said, I'm talking about in general. I'll start to give a fuck about racism when moids of all races stop being rapists, so never. What's next, you're gonna tell me how "white woman tears" are a super sewious issue and that they're oppressors? Kek. From the sounds of it you care more about him being racist than being a misogynist which is telling.
>>2597621Scratch an intersectional feminist and a pickme bleeds
No. 2597655
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>>2597643>>2597650All this teenage girl tier squabble over a tranny that wants to be LDR. Just make out or something.
No. 2597659
>>2597638I’ve been here for 7+ years. I’ve just come to recognize when pickmes like you screech over racism like a tumblrtard while not even caring about his misogyny.
>>2597640Where did I ever even imply that? Your low self esteem is showing. Not every white woman is out to get you despite what your retarded friends and influencers you follow have to say.
>>2597643There it goes
(infighting) No. 2597703
>>2597683Nobody is “screeching” about anything. It’s true that misogyny isn’t taken as seriously as it should be but unless you’re in retarded libfem or moid-dominated spaces idea that people don’t care about pedophilic artwork or fanfiction is untrue. Macon was given a pass for everything because he’s a troon who claimed to be raped or something. Literally every criticism he received was brushed away because his fans believed in supposed
victim status. There’s nuance to this conversation that’s being lost somehow. Every public condemnation of Macon’s misogyny was brushed off by his fans because he claimed to be a female
victim.
No. 2597783
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>>2597683The crazy thing about the Ethel Cain stuff is that he was uplifted by troon-loving white libfem women who enjoy his specific brand of misogyny, not black and Latina women. He obviously has some non-white fans, but we all know what the majority of his fanbase looks like, who put him on and who he's copying. So many white radfems on places besides LC who knew about him could've put him on blast long ago for his vile lyrics and generally horrible attitude. They just had to be willing to deal with the sperging from their fellow white women and a bunch of MtFs. It's almost like after Ethel responded to one radfem on Tumblr, every single one went scurrying and would only discuss him in passing or hushed tones. That's a problem. Your real problem isn't that he was scolded for the racism, it's that
>noooo they'll call me a terf and harass me if i speak outAnd black women routinely get called horrible things, harassed and abused for speaking up about racism and misogyny by people who engage in both. So fucking what? Being aloof and detached about it clearly did nothing but let that troon thrive. He really could've been sent into the ether just like Onision and that one creepy, fake-positivity van tranny if he'd been gathered in time.
I know some black radfems had already been talking about how he's just another misogynistic tranny before the racism came out, but honestly? We didn't blame you for not helping us end Kevin Samuel's career (another misogynistic scrote) because you probably don't even know who he is, and that's an in-community discussion. Ethel Cain is your in-community discussion, and no one should be expected to be okay with his racism just because so many in your community accepted the sexism. Ultimately, it's
also still white libfems who are going to save his career, and you'll probably let it happen again and only complain when his racism is brought up. It's annoying. Either be glad someone finally whacked the piece of shit scrote, or deal with him yourself and handle the inevitable misogynistic tranny/libfem tears.
No. 2597814
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Has anyone talked about the tribute art to Rurouni Kenshin? For those who don't know, the mangakas was convicted for several DVDs containing child porn, he was handed a fine of ¥200,000 (the equivalent of $1900 in Yen), and has not stepped in jail, and his manga is still being serialized. Anyway I don't want to spam the thread, but I can show a few examples since picrel is kind of low res
No. 2597820
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>>2597814Horokoshi (mha mangaka)
No. 2597821
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Man why can't you guys just relax and laugh at the wokescolds and troons cannibalizing each other? Why does this have to turn into an autistic debate about who is the Most Oppressed?
No. 2597822
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>>2597814Araki (JoJo mangaka)
No. 2597863
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>>2597814Gege (jjk)
>>2597831There's not any that I know of. Possessing child pornography was only made a crime in Japan in 2014, and softcore child pornography can be purchased in some stores
No. 2597885
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>>2593109Imagine getting into bed with an emofaggot bunny rabbit next to you instead of cuddling with Bartholomew after taking a bubble bath and lighting a scented candle to rest from long day of work and errands. Fugly ass neurodivergent lagomoprhs mogged by the based English ursidae. Bunny rabbits are for bippies who make Sanrio traumacore memes on Pinterest.
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fandom brainrot like this needs to be studied because there's so much going on here
No. 2598140
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>>2597159Needing to get permission for content is a captialist hellhole idea, and for that ill post a photo of a TV that has a youtuber watching a tiktok with a cake with a stolen comic panel, fuck you
No. 2598183
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>>2598105They were, it's a contractual obligation
>>2598076He didn't even color in the lines, it's easy to contrast it to his other tributes
No. 2598320
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>straight man
>bl is different to me
Not everyone will like otome games but this is an overcompensating and pornsick TIF isn't it kek
No. 2598381
>>2598320Sounds like a self hating bisexual girl/woman who doesn't want to date men irl because they did some abhorrent shit to make her troon out, but she is still attracted enough to look at 2 of them bone. At least she's not identifying as a lesfujo about it.
>>2598362That's a really good point. The history of eroge VNs compared to otome games are completely different. I remember learning otome games were like CYOA text games girls could play on their phones and expanded from there, where as eroge VNs needed the visual element from the start. Like how that biographical manga 16Bit Sensation illustrated it.
No. 2598397
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>>2598362Oh I don't disagree with that point. The origin of the discourse was someone bemoaning the lack of "big visual novel releases". Of course this caused people to bring up otome games, BL games, ADV-hybrid, indie games (both english and japanese) since those communities are still chugging along more than commercial eroge. VNs as a medium has always been niche and the age of big "kamige" bishoujo-ge/galge is pretty much over with most writers working on gacha/LNs since they are more profitable/cheaper to produce respectively. Even for otome games, the peak was around psp-vita era. Still, otome and BL fans tend to be more connected and have a stronger community (eroge "community" is a cesspit in comparison). I've met more female vn fans that are more "omnivorous" than men, and in my experience most male VN fans (both EOP and JOP) don't actually keep up with the scene and just jerk off Subahibi and Muramasa for the 100th time.
No. 2598441
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Wednesday and Enid is a popular ship but they're very delusional if they think a Tim Burton Addams Family series is only popular because of a ship. Shippers always over inflate the power they have when heartstopper is the only majorly successful shippy show and it still gets outstreamed by bridgerton even tho bridgerton has less fan content
No. 2598506
>>2597783I mean, beyond being called a
terf, a callout from radical feminists would have 0 impact. People would immediately dismiss it as transphobia, it had to come from his fans and better yet it had to come at a time when he's famous enough for loss to hurt. If this kills his career, if this blackens it even remotely, that's so much more satisfying now than it would be had he been crushed ten seconds out of the gate. Relish in that.
No. 2598647
>>2598615I wonder if we can use the genshin feminist response if they get pissed about it, something like:
"Oh, you hate him in this skimpy outfit? Errrr sweaty, don't you see you're being really misandrist right now? Can men not express their sexuality now? In 2025? Why are you so sex negative? Sex negativity is aligned with Christofacism and purity culture don'cha know?"
No. 2599042
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>>>daddy
Idk about the other guy but isnt gojo like 27? Will this daddy nonsense ever die out?
No. 2599600
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>>2598686Speaking of sexualization an nucani, they are currently rerunning the last summer event and the way this character is introduced made me kek to death
No. 2600046
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No one in this movie has sex appeal but particularly not this guy
No. 2600372
>>2600317Nta I remember watching this series because I was excited that Korra and Asami got together but from what I remember about the series (in no particular order)
>Korra and Mako are dating>He's busy with his job>They fight and she kicks over his desk at his office>Something something opposing pole water tribe where she has the most "chemistry" with the evil water tribe leader (I don't ship them, I just think writing-wise that's just how it turned out)>Korra and Bolin partner up to save Mako who got kidnapped by anti-benders (she has the second most "chemistry" with Bolin imo but I also don't ship them)>Korra and Asami pass the bechdel test twice I think, both times when Korra is hurt. First time is when they write letters to each other after Korra goes AWOL, the second is during a fight with Asami's dad(?) and Asami asks if Korra is okay. All other times they discuss Mako or some guy.>Epic fight>The endKorra's most shippable relationships in order (even though I don't ship her with any)
>Water tribe leader (too old though)>Bolin (too chubby)>Mako = Asami (both equal in terms of unsatisfying/mid writing)In my opinion she should have ended the series single.
No. 2600526
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What's wrong with kids these days? They're either pornsick or incredibly reppressed. And I have the feeling that either way won't protect them from being groomed online.
No. 2600542
>>2596559Macon isn't being cancelled unfortunately. His handmaidens are currently going berserk cancelling anyone who dares speak out about him. Moids like him make "art" about being a pedo misogynist but if a woman made vent art about her being a
victim of pedo misogynist shit she'd be cancelled to hell and back for being pwobwematique. Men get no repercussions for what they do
No. 2600967
>>2598397On the topic of VN and a little off topic. I've been thinking about this a lot since a topic similar to this kind of comes up whenever a western indie VN like Date Everything gets popular, or some company makes a April Fools VN and other people complaining that no one makes non-ironic indie VN in the west.
Because I could go on Kickstarter right now a pluck two or three non-ironic indies that are being funded every month or so, or I could find plenty of them scattered about all over itch.io. But they're also mostly Otome/Amore, do people still use Amore, VNs so they don't get counted or overlooked by the VN audience.
Like Touchstarved had an insanely successful kickstarter campaign, probably the most money made for a VN on the site, but most of the discussion for the game I saw came from Otome circles, even though it wouldn't classify as an Otome game. And not a single post about the game in the general visual novel sub which skews more male.
It makes me think the complaint about non-ironic indies is more about how there isn't more indie VN geared towards hetero men.
No. 2601107
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why do fujos always get the sexual dimorphism hate/snark when 99.9% of hetero content looks like this? big bulky guys x hamsters with tits(fujosperging)
No. 2601145
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>>2600967>It makes me think the complaint about non-ironic indies is more about how there isn't more indie VN geared towards hetero men.I've thought about this before too: men overlook stuff made for women - they're not interested so it doesn't count to them. But there's no equivalent to Otome Jam, the VN patreons that could outmatch a dev like GB Patch are probably porn game ones, there's simply less energy for indie dating-sims/romance vns for men in comparison to what women are putting out for Otome and BL. But I'm not really sure why.
No. 2601153
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>>2601127NTA but seriously. I can't get into korean shit because it's just so ugly. Sad that I'm probably missing some good stuff but I just can't deal, it reminds me of older yaoi trends mixed with current
kpoop idols plastic surgery looks.
No. 2601154
>>2601153>missing some good stuff the writting is usually even worse than the art.
Koreans are weird, is like they try to do the same thing japanese people do but it always comes up 10x more souless and uncanny.
No. 2602348
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I will never understand asexual fandom discourse. Why would anyone want to read about characters who are "100% sex repulsed" having sex to please their partner? That just sounds creepy and depressing.
No. 2602769
>>2602755she showed me it a long time ago before she got like this and it's still there
>>2602758she wants to act like she isn't a fujo on main i suppose. i don't give a fuck at all and don't participate in fandom, i don't care what ships people have. but it's funny to see her xitter posts pop up on my feed about it
No. 2602908
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Just ran into a dude on reddit writing 20 comments about how a safe waifu character ACHUALLY outsold the hot male character because of my schizo math that's more accurate than all websites tracking that shit.
Just take the L and end yourself, chinese incels are insane.
No. 2602917
>>2598723I always found the skintight latex catsuit scene so weird for a Tim Burton work (in Wednesday when they're having the canoe competition?)
Author's fetish on display lel
No. 2602956
>>2602911yeah idk why anyone would spend that much time raging about ships but ig they’re jobless
speaking of antis i always assumed they actually secretly like the thing they’re always screaming about. do you guys agree?
No. 2603223
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lol, of course a "transbian" posted this. I'm not going to pretend these romances are well-written, but getting angry that the female character didn't end up with a roman woman is something I've only heard troons and men woids will become troons complain about.
>she shouldn't be with chad, she should be with a soft woman (like me)
No. 2603338
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>>2602360Maybe she just didn't appreciate being pressured into have sex with any of the crystal degenerates
No. 2603367
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>>2603338Cowardly writing choice for this show to routinely use fusion as an allegory for gay sex, then pull out and say "oh no, it's meant to represent ALL relationships" when Steven fuses with his dad. Nah man, the shows already dead so they need to own up to Steven having alien gay sex with his dad.
No. 2603377
>>2602360I don't think that makes sense. If fusions represent all types of relationships then it shouldn't have been a problem for Peridot to fuse if she's supposed to be asexual and not interested in romance in particular. She still should've been able to fuse with her friends like Steven. Wouldn't that imply she's also not interested in any other types of relationships like friendships? I doubt we have any diehard Steven Universe fans here of all places who could explain that to me though
>>2603338who's the artist?
No. 2603471
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>>2603223>marionette and golden freddy holding a tranny flagMy headcanon is that William Afton would dead name any tranny before throwing them in a springlock suit and
triggering the locks so they can "transition" as animatronic slaves for his nightmare company. The one based thing William would ever do. Fuck this "xyz character says tranny rights" nonsense, let's pile up all the characters we think would be "transphobic".
No. 2603477
>>2600317Korra was kind of a slut honestly kek, she gave off
strong "I only want what I can't have" vibes throughout the show and especially in the first two seasons
No. 2603495
>>2602956Depends. Some of them sound more like they're super autistic about their landmines.
The ones who go hard on the moralfaggotry probably secretly like what they're complaining about because you don't need a reason to dislike something beyond "it's gross to me"
No. 2603508
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just sick and tired of the constant infantilization & hand holding that's now commonplace in fandom and creation. i've been getting into VNs more lately and came across one called "the kid at the back" that seemed promising despite being in progress until i found out the creator keeps insisting people to enjoy & view the VN exactly the way she does. i understand wanting your intentions and overall vision to be understood & honored by your audience, but getting so worked up over some people thirsting over your yandere character that driving them away from your VN essentially becoming a goal of yours is insane. like, that should never be part of your creating process whatsoever. it's genuinely so retarded to me. yanderes & dark tropes overall aren't okay in reality, but they're interesting to explore and play with in fiction anyway. and i say that as someone that experienced an equivalent of a 'yandere' before among other stuff. that and people will thirst over any and everything on here. i don't understand how dark fiction creators like her don't accept these simple truths and instead opt for giving themselves the headache of trying to control how people engage with their creations. and for this creator it's especially hypocritical and hilarious when she says the VN isn't a romance one in picrel but in her twitter bio it literally says, "The Kid at the Back is a Romantic Yandere Thriller Indie Visual Novel". i keep coming across shit like this in fandom from all angles no matter where i go or look and it always feels like i'm being lectured to by old, religious people that can't handle seeing skin without fainting. it's so bizarre.. even more so knowing said creator is around my age (20+). i know the reasons behind why fandom is the way it is today yada yada but it sincerely sucks that it's so difficult to find things/spaces/people that are inherently mature and don't undermine your intellect in any way for weird reasons. it's unserious. and tbh i might still buy and play it since i'm in love with the art style and mystery but it doesn't have that weight to it that it did to me before finding this out. like the whole VN is silly to me in a way rather than this genuine, cool thing it was apparently supposed to be. sigh
No. 2603584
>>2603377Having Peridot try to fuse with Garnet to represent "asexuality" was always a fumble in my opinion. If you ignore that episode, then fusions representing all kinds of relationships makes sense. Steven and Amethyst always had a brother/sister kind of bond and that's especially the case when they fuse in the show. Jasper literally only fused with Lapis because she needed the utility of being bigger and stronger
(and that's all Jasper really cares about when she's begging Lapis to refuse with her later in the show, there's 0 physical attraction shown or implied; she just wants to be a big fuck that can fly again kek). Even Amethyst and Pearl fusing earlier on in the show is framed in a mainly platonic way where they're just getting over their differences to achieve a common goal. Honestly, outside of Ruby/Sapphire and Steven/Connie, it was pretty uncommon for fusions to have romantic connotations imo. Peridot not fusing because she's "asexual" was always so retarded to me and that part of that episode was always so uncomfortable to watch. My only cope is that Sugar wasn't credited for any of the writing and maybe wasn't there to tell them that this was a retarded thing to imply given the entire rest of the show.
No. 2604038
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Why does this show have a fandom? It's just a boring ass children's show that aired in the UK almost 20 years ago. Why do zoomers care about this? Is it the same strain of autism that causes childless adults to be "fans" of Bluey?
No. 2604110
>>2603508Too many Millennial and older Zoomer creators want to be the word of god and the BNF who transcribes it for the commonwealth. Both groups would be 10x less insufferable if they'd just post updates and never,
never look at any fanworks until well after the release of whatever they made
No. 2604159
>>2603508>treated him as their babygirl and literally called him a 'green flag' for a yandereWhy is the dev surprised by this? The bar for a yandere to be called a "green flag" is extremely low. All he has to do is not kill the MC and retards will call him that.
That being said, this is another thing I can't stand in fandom, calling characters "x flag".
No. 2604240
>>2604159ayrt it's really funny you say that because so far in the VN (spoilers)
the MC finds out he killed the other love interest by finding his corpse then is killed by the yandere's bestie accomplice that then kills the yandere because he says he can't live without MC now that they're gone and wants to die with them, so you're right about that in a way lol. but same gosh, i hate that "x flag" shit even if it's 'right' in a sense. it always just waters down the character's complexity and intrigue in favor of tiktok, twitter brainrot trend bullshit. that and it's always presented as this profound thing no one else realized. so annoying
No. 2604428
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the "nonsense" being disgust towards pedophilia
No. 2604507
>>2604474I feel like it's projection, men have been doing it towards women since the stone age. THEY are the ones who mostly go to media just to either look for or make porn of it (simply look for most men's fanworks, they're often just NSFW shit, or discussions of which female character is hotter).
Think back, lots of female mythological characters boil down to 'This sexy woman has sex with men and then kill them!!!', and who is the one doing that in real like? Men. More recent, just looks at all those 'White women fuck dogs' "jokes". Who is the demography who most often rape animals since the medieval ages? Again, men.
They just love to dump all their shit onto us so they can feel superior.
No. 2604528
>>2604474idk it definitely feels like
some shippers (het, slash, whatever, doesn't matter) really do only care for the objects of their ship/desire and not the story as a whole. They don't necessarily make up the majority (that's very fandom dependent), but they do tend to be obnoxious and so end up being more memorable and become the stereotype (especially to retarded moids who'd rather seethe and bitch than get along peacefully with regular fangirl antics, tarring everyone with the same brush)
No. 2604746
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>>2604531So true
nonnie, I'm very afraid of this and have started using gallery-dl to archive every artist I follow once a month at least. It's always the god tier asian artists who nuke their accounts too, I miss you everydaysleep queen
No. 2605205
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I hate the current state of fandom drama. all of it is happening in gay little discords, but they'll post about it on tumblr anyway, trying to get some literal who cancelled. like either do this all publicly so I can get caught up or quit clogging up the tags. it's a slow fandom aswell, so I get jazzed when there's a new post, only for it to be some bullshit nobody cares about
No. 2605287
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>Generic moeblob galge for moids
>Never see any moids even speak of it
>Cutecore girls (and a few fakeboi girls for good measure) absolutely obsessed with it
What causes this?
No. 2605315
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>>2605287My schizo hypothesis is that moeblob characters are made to appeal to women in the way women wear makeup.
That means that moeblob characters are, well, cute, and women usually like cute things, by making the fetish scenes seem comedic or the sorts, then they make some women lower their defenses
>it's just a joke>it's because that would've definitely happened >he feels sorry and embarrassed!Add a nice color palette that's not assaulting your senses, cute as fuck music to sing and dance to about falling in love and finding true love or even happiness, and tropes that makes it easier for anyone reading/watching/playing it to self-insert
>happy go lucky girl>sad girl>angry girl>clumsy girl>tomboyish girlIn which it focuses entirely on how the cute girl is cute "she's literally me! I also love to decorate my room or I also lash out at people when I feel awkward!" And then you have a bunch of girls idealizing the moid character who is bland like a beige mom house, because the moeblob character likes him, therefore, if you're really the genki sad uwuwu anime girl you projected yourself into, then you should like him as well.
So women cosplay the cute characters and try to get their protagonist loser with no particular interests and no friends bf, because they are the anime girl.
I would say it's like a bear trap, because the designs have ruffles, cute colors, cute details, big ass eyes, cute names and cute patterns, you barely notice that you can't feel your leg once it got you, you don't notice the underwear, the random moaning, the squeaky voices, the unnatural poses, the bizarre proportions, the retarded themes, the nasty fetishes and so on.
I fell for that shit back in the 2000's, this was bound to happen again, I would even dare say that moeblob is some sort of propaganda made to tell women that you too should also be more kawiwi and less normal.
No. 2605324
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>>2605315I don't think that's what they were originally thinking of when they made the games, Jap moids just like moeshit and are fine with covering their walls in pink moeblob scrolls, figures and plushies while in the west that's only becoming more acceptable from men within the past few years with fumos and crap.
There are women in Japan who are also into moe galge characters (see: otasa no hime) but I'm not sure when that also started to bleed over to the west (see: cutecore girls)
No. 2605332
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>>2605326Both the artists for the game they were talking about are women. There’s lots of women involved in eroge/moege/etc. But since most people on here don’t like moe,
clearly only scrotes can like it
No. 2605339
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>>2605326The idea is that it all started when scrotes decided to wank to 70s/80s shoujo shows. Magical Princess Minky Momo, for example, had a huge pedo moid audience even though it was originally targeted at little girls, which prompted anime and manga creators to insert similar design elements into stuff made for moids.
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>>2605339There's series that came out pre minky momo that already fell under the moe umbrella though
In the modern day pretty much all moeshit traces back to Rei Ayanami anyway.
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>>2605346>wanting to insert their penis in Fluttershy's horse pussyFuck
nonnie my sides
>>2605347Most of modern otaku culture can be traced back to Eva and Rei was basically the default moe character for a while, famously when they were originally trying to sell merchandise of Eva the actual units didn't sell nearly as well as the figures of Rei in bandages.
Obviously there was stuff before it but Eva as a series really streamlined how modern otaku shit would go down with waifushit and fujoshit as the main pillars.
No. 2605398
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>>2605353Ayrt, ty for explaining! That made me check Rei’s mfc page to see just how intense it was. Can’t believe there’s over 1000 figures of her, you weren’t kidding. I don’t know how that keeps selling, eventually people have to have enough of the same character..
No. 2605404
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>>2605398It's a good thing I'm super picky with Eva figures or I'd be broke kek
>I don't want any Shikinami figures>I don't want any Mari figures or obviously rebuild figures>I don't want any in their plugsuits>I don't want any that are too old and ugly>I don't want any that are too moidyI got rid of most of my Eva figures and now I'm only down to ballet Asuka and some nendos kek, I still want the matching Rei though even though I hate Rei
No. 2605425
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>>260533980s magical girls used to pander really hardly to scrotes. They did several crossover ovas, which sound cool in concept, but the ovas are filled with sexual undertones, in one of them the girls get attacked by fucking tentacle monsters. I really like Minky momo, creamy mami, emi and Persia but fuck the ovas were weird.
No. 2605495
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>"female" first thing in bio
>lolifag
>all their favorite anime is shit with a near exclusive troon fanbase in the west
How painfully low effort can your LARP be? At least say you're a trans"woman" ffs. I've met lesbian lolis (actual women) and not even they have these tastes. It's so obvious
No. 2605501
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Why do smut authors (and their consoomers) have the weirdest priorities ever? They'll slap scary tags like "DUBIOUS CONSENT" on fics because two adult characters get drunk before they fuck, but at the same time, they'll completely fail to mention shit like body horror, niche fetishes, or even "just" trannyism. Based on a true and recent story.
No. 2605795
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>"I'm tired of being forced to play as a female"
>"The whole genre is already saturated by women-only games"
>An Otome game
>A type of JOSEImuke game
I'm fucking sick and tired of yume TIFs and gendies
No. 2605837
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>>2605404Nonna these are gorgeous, I want them now. What other Eva figures did you own/like? I love Asuka but like you I'm so picky and so many are moidy. I don't understand how moids can have something like picrel (and there's far worse) in their house and not feel ashamed.
No. 2605887
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What is the general opinion of GL artists like Rangrarii for example?
Aside from the fact that most people says that outside of smut, their works are very mid
No. 2605919
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>>2605287i wish there was a female equivalent of moeslop including cutesy male characters. i’m not a fan of the typical ikemen in otome games. if only there were more cute male characters with figures there would be less sonico consoomers
wish they went the 18 plus route with this game kek but women can’t have anything No. 2605990
>>2605887This series was so ass I actually spoiled everyone in the comments section kek. It starts bleak, temporarily gets better, but then it becomes bleak again and ends that way. Literally just
>Redhead is a "duke" who buys FL (white hair) to pay off FL's father's debts>Redhead is believed to be male player>Maidservant (black hair) goes with her because she loves FL and wants to protect her>They get to the estate, FL is fully prepared to just be a plaything for this duke.>Redhead is revealed to be a duchess and not a duke>Yay this means the player rumours were all fake>Redhead tells FL she loves her>Maidservant feels weird and is like "I think she's lying. Let's go home.">FL questions everything>Then FL decides to believe redhead and agrees to stay loyal to her>but then the redhead cheats on FL with multiple women, turns out the rumours weren't fake after all>FL just accepts that she will never find happiness and stays with the redhead.>The end.Anyway I actually liked her more lighthearted stories, just wish she would never attempt to do "angst" ever again.
No. 2605999
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>>2605887I haven't read that series but judging from above anon's description I probably won't now. Bad Thinking Diary was recommended to me by my friend who is a fujo because she knows I want more good GL. I've noticed it's quite popular even with straight girls. I think this is because all the girls are drawn very pretty, are fashionable and fit nicely into different tropes. Like Kang is the cool one (who reminds me of Murasame from Sasameki Koto and maybe even Alex from OITB KEK,) Minji is the cute, unaware one that is probably easy to self-insert into and Hyera is the bad bitch, pretty fuck boy. I loved the dynamic between Hyera and Minjae because it was really hot to me and wanted to see more tropes like that in GL. Like a pathetic inexperienced girl lusting after her player senpai and getting toyed with but the senpai ends up actually returning her feelings. But all that said I dropped it because I got bored. Also I wish there was more variety in how they looked and they had bush. The sex scenes were pretty good but not enough for me to keep reading. If I was a teenager I would've been really into it though. I just need a more interesting plot, less sanitized story and more deep characters for me to get invested these days.