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>>1951437Discuss art and related topics such as:
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art (do not shill about your ai trained models key words on a prompt do not make you a artist)
-do not post your art to be reviewed here use the designated m thread
SCREENCAP EVERYTHING!
DO NOT REPLY TO BAIT! REPORT AND IGNORE!
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon
>useful youtube channelshttps://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2>where to find arthttps://www.wikiart.org/eshttps://artvee.com/>other useful siteshttps://film-grab.com/https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawinghttps://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheelhttps://freephotomuscle.com/painting :Elizabeth Nourse - Self-Portrait as an Artist (1892)
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND. also check e-hentai and billibilli
No. 2007161
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>>2007145AI is nothing like photography, tell me you don't know what photography is without telling me.
There were other events at the time photography was getting big (wars, famine, extreme recessions etc.) that lead to a marked change in how painters painted and artists created, yes photography did make a decline in advertising and family portraits commissioned paintings but it didn't replace art and became its own art form. It seemed like that in America but America is also not the whole world.
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>>2007227Anatomy for Sculptors is pretty in depth, in my opinion. Any decent book oriented more for sculpting/3D is basically a medical anatomy textbook stripped down for artists.
No. 2007278
>>2007269i was asking for clothes
nonny, kek. Morpho has a book discussing folds and stuff, but it doesnt get into rendering and the examples are only drawings.
No. 2007309
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I cant stand most of the art teachers that get shilled as good. I hate how much they rely on bullshit like ''feeling the form'' without properly explaining it, or how they have horrible art like Proko, Vilppu, and Hampton. I wasted so much fucking time trying to understand their lessons until i said fuck it and started looking for more obscure booked shilled by people that can actually draw. I gave up on figure drawing so many times because everyone was saying Hampton was the best, but looking back at it his figures are gross and doughy. Proke is absolutely horrible at drawing too, you can tell he never draws for fun, he just copies like a machine.
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>>2007278How to Draw Drapery by Cliff Young
Old, but teaches the fundamentals of drawing clothing
There should be a PDF of it online somewhere
No. 2007337
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>>2007329>Who are the artists that ‘can actually draw’? A lot of artists just don’t click with others.this dude for example. He recommended that korean anatomy book and a book i have never heard of before called ''anatomy for artists form and pose''. Ofcourse, i understand everyone has different taste in artists, but personally i love drawings with very strong anatomy/form, so i found his recs exactly what i was looking for.
I am just saying that it's worth a try to pester artists you like and ask them the resources they recommend. It's better than wasting time finding what works for you best or just following the herd and studying the most popular books. A lot of japanese artists also recommend Morpho, and that stuck miles better with me than Hampton/Proko/Vilppu.
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>>2007345This one, its called StoneHouse. Can get cringe at times, like that time the artist started talking about how he used to get beaten by his teachers at school, but it's really good. I specially enjoy how many views of the bones he teaches you to draw. I actually like how it explains the different functions and stuff, i found out it helps me visualize the bone rotating in my head easier. I feel like the morpho approach can get confusing at times and i struggled with it without having anatomy for artists by my side.
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>>2007309I have noticed so many art teachers rely on heavy self-promotion rather than actually being skilled. Human anatomy artists tend to be the worst in that regard.
No. 2008011
>>2007137Yes, my parents don't value my art at all, even after getting freelance work in the industry. All my cousins and family acquaintances are engineers and doctors and have normal high paying jobs, and an artist will never make that much money, so it's embarrassing work to them. It used to bother me a lot, I've literally drawn while crying after being shamed in front of guests one time, I've built up a thick skin.
You only get one life on Earth, you don't get a second chance to live life differently, that's the only truth.
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>>>/m/383598Made an art request and trade thread if anyone is interested!
No. 2008124
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Does anyone remember that Russian artist ulrikbadass who draws femboys? she recently made a comeback and deleted one of her old post explaining why she was gone and posted a new one (pic rel) I never thought she would make a comeback ever but I guess I was wrong.
No. 2008213
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Her reel about her "progress" over a decade made my jaw drop at the levels of delusion. How is possible that it's so difficult to "make it" as an artist, yet talentless hacks like this get along just fine?
No. 2008315
>>2008231Basically
>she treated her patrons? Members? Like shit >drew some shota shit (actual nude child)>apparently she's a tif tooThere's a thread on her but it's in Russian
https://holywarsoo.net/viewtopic.php?id=2687 No. 2009189
>>2008213i saw this and i knew she would be popular on social media for something else. i've seen people with 100k+ followers for their selfies start selling art, and it doesn't matter how shit it is, people buy it.
normally it's a bit better than this though. an 11 year old could draw better. she should look at some artists from the 1920s and do studies. but she won't because it's her 'style'. i'm sure she sells some of these but she would sell a lot more if they were actually decent.
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does anyone else have more examples of artists talking about how they study art?
No. 2010122
>>2007134Is there any anons who use/have used vgen before?
I've been thinking about making a vgen account but the process of being approved is tedious
If someone here has been "approved" before, how long did it take? Is it worth it?
No. 2010368
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Wasn't sure whether to put this here or in the bad short comics thread on /m/, but I'll just stick it here.
I don't even know where to begin with this. Garnet isn't even a human being, she's a pair of aliens. I can't even fathom the logical leap she took from "Mammie" to "black best friend." The trope she was describing was clearly tokenism, not sure why she had to tie it in with Mammies. The stuff about indigenous characters was reasonable, but she undercuts it by using a real person as her main example. Is Sacagawea just existing bad representation, somehow? Is it bad that she's revered when she accomplished something historically important? Anyway, then you have the most impressively retarded bit, where the artist declares that it's racism to give the characters eye colors other than black and brown.
>BIPOC characters must have light hair and blue eyes to be magical
Literally all of the examples are of people with white hair, which no one is born with and anyone can develop. And because this person (with a degree despite how garbage their art is!) apparently slept through her classes on character design, it totally went over her head that white hair connotes wisdom because it's associated in real life with the elderly. So white hair is really common visual shorthand for precocious wisdom, which is the case for all three of those characters. Also, did it not occur to her that a character named Storm has silver hair because, y'know, storm clouds? Has idpol poisoned her brain to the point where she doesn't understand basic symbology?
>Baleful polymorph
I'm so sick of hearing this about the same three movies and I don't even like Disney shit. It's clear confirmation bias, because there are movies where the nonwhite characters don't turn into animals (Lilo & Stitch, Aladdin, Mulan, Atlantis), and where white characters do turn into animals (Beauty and the Beast, Brave, Sword in the Stone), not to mention the movies that are just Western fairy tales with animals instead of humans (Robin Hood, Oliver & Company, The Lion King). The colorism one seems fair enough, although I don't think she had to get hyper-specific with the bullying archetypes. Colorism is a problem in general across a multitude of contexts.
>Consider BIPOC voices!!1!
I mean. It's pretty obvious based on her shit portfolio that she's being hired for her "voice" and not her artwork. I think it's valuable to be conscientious of representation especially when you're creating something that depicts another group, but this is just completely brain-poisoned. This kind of stuff is always created by suburban kids with white-collar parents, that's why they have the headspace to worry about frivolous shit like the microaggressions of Disney movies. You know what? If you spend more time crying about Disney (which the OP has worked for!) than you do worrying about your next paycheck, you officially aren't "oppressed."
No. 2010379
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>>2010368Picrel reminds me of Harriyanna Hook. I don't hate her, but
goddamn she really spergs about cartoon black characters like no other commentary youtuber I've seen before.
No. 2010386
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American Mcgee having a mini meltdown about AI, I agree with him about a few things even though I'm very anti-AI but there wasn't a need for a ragepost
No. 2010417
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>>2010396He posted an AI image, said it was AI generated in the comments and a couple people got mad so he made this whole tirade and is still arguing with people in the comments of his new post.
I don't think it had anything to do with cancer beyond the original post being about a plushie design based around the disease, which isn't out the ordinary as he makes those kinds of plushie designs all the time.
No. 2010420
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>>2010368the colorism example from Proud Family really gets me because "Ashy and nasty" is such a specific black on black discrimination thing that no one knows outside of the culture unless they're a racism autist
No. 2010437
>>2010368As you said with the white haired characters they don't make any sense. Storm is given white hair as part of her design with storms and clouds, this seems pretty obvious when considering her eyes. Yue has her white hair tied with the moon and sea spirits. Kida while considered a
poc is an entirely made up race/ethnicity in the first place. With Atlantis being surmised to be a part of Greece she would be Mediterranean and they have more eurocentric features. Honestly there is problems with the way they did Atlantis but I would say that's more of the coopting native islander aesthetics aspect and not the atlanteans physical traits. Yue more than likely would've had black hair just like the other water tribe members and blue eyes are shown to be an uncommon but not rare trait with them that once again is used to reiterate the motifs of water. They do similar with the other nations, you can find earth benders who have green eyes and fire benders who have golden/amber eyes.
And esmeralda would also have more eurocentric features due to her ethnicity. Notice how the the artist drew her with thicker lips than she has in the movie?
Honestly I do agree with some of what the artist is saying but they used piss poor examples for most of the talking points.
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>>2010368If I'm latina but not black/indigenous am I bipoc? I don't understand the term, this is a genuine question. I'm ESL
No. 2010454
>>2010368It's funny how being "inclusive" renders most of what she says pointless. She should just say black people if that's what she means. For example the romani people in my european country are indistinguishable from the people of native origin, and that includes pale skin, lighter hair and eyes. She'd see them as white, but they're romani, so automatically
poc. If they were depicted accurately she'd probably call it white-washing.
Plenty of asians have really light skin as well, plenty of middle eastern regions have non-brown eyes. "They're given european features" yeah because those pocs ARE actually a form of european and/or naturally have those features? Like you can't say "
poc noses are wider and flatter than europeans" when "european" includes white minorities that have similar noses, and
poc includes arabs with thin noses but with high strong nose bridges. You can't have your cake and eat it too, trying to speak too broadly about racism never works out imo.
No. 2010467
>>2010386These people are always the same peabrains.
"Do you know what else trains on real art and steals art from real artists? REAL ARTISTS" Yeah but real artists not ONLY look and copy or get inspired by other art, that's such a small % of what they do that it hardly even matters. Real artists look at nature, look at patterns in our reality, convert feelings and sounds.. even smells into visuals. Real artists compute perspective and can change it to enhance things on the painting, they give meanings to visuals and connect things that weren't connected before. So may other things to be said but i suck at putting it into words.
Real artists get in the zone and sometimes come up with things that nobody visualized before. Our brain is amazing and i think the biggest problem with these types of people is that they're missing the connection to something higher than them when they're coming up with art. "I look at pictures and then i draw because the picture inspired me" okay retard not everybody is so simpleminded, most artists can do much much more with their brainpower.
And everytime i try to explain this i get the snowflake treatment.. I'm a snowflake becaue i can do something they can't and they think i'm lying. I for example can't do math, but is every math scientist suddenly a snowflake because he/she can do dificult math? Fuck these people really..
No. 2010475
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>>2010467>>2010458It's surprising because American McGee should know all that, he has several artist friends and has had a massive amount of help from artists volunteering their time and effort (some of it unpaid iirc) to help with the Alice games, which would not be the success they are if it didn't look or feel the way it did, and again with the designs for his Plushie Dreadfuls. Using AI to brainstorm isn't awful, but his response to slight criticism is quite bad and makes him look like a raging and uncaring retard.
No. 2010711
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>>2010697Same. I hate how they constantly give out codes to people who can barely draw. What is the point of having this invite only system if you take on people with this kind of art?
No. 2011089
>>2010697I thought it opened every Monday
I hate how they call it "skeb style" instead of requests like normal people kek
>>2010925I was surprised that someone with 30 followers received a code from them lol
And there were no posts with #vgen tag on her account either
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>>2011076I'm not even an artist, and I agree. In photography, isn't there an actual skill? It's not just snapping photos of nice things, there's techniques to practice on different cameras to help you get the right "feel" of a photo. There's skills photographers have to learn, like getting the right angle, setting up or finding a fitting background, or picking out the right subject. Isn't AI just telling a fuckin bot to draw or write for you? AI is so simple yet cheap, but I guess that's why it's no surprise that moids like it so much.
No. 2011124
>>2011089i think it's okay to give codes to smaller creators (growing nowadays is really hard), just give it to people who can actually draw or whatever! To people who have at least some art on their account and not countless sperging posts or no posts at all.
I hate how hard it is to grow as an artist on twitter, it's funny how i get commissions (not even cheap ones actually) but have basically no engagement on my posts.
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Idk if this is the right thread, but zone sama got doxxed
No. 2011288
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>>2011280You don't know zone? They're the most infamous coom artist
No. 2011477
>>2011172I've seen people with almost no interactions on their twitter account but have a lot of good reviews on vgen, I'm gonna assume your art is really good anon
Maybe I still have a chance to get approved but it's embarrassing for me to try the likes/RT method
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>>2011221>pedophilic, graphic videos of teenage girl characters being sexualized and brutally raped>creator looks exactly like the basement-dwelling pedophile incel you'd expect to even make that kind of shitwhy am I not surprised. It's like when Shadman got doxxed and ended up looking like how his "profession" would have you expect. Weak chin, lanky hair tied to a ponytail? That seems to be a common trait with degenerate coomer "artists".
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>Sees epic rendermaxxed fanart for obscure media I’m into
>Checks artist gallery
>Patreon coom shit
No. 2013985
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>>2010437In the comics, Storm has no pupils whatsoever, while in the films, her eyes are brown. I think the person who made the guide is just a retard who knows nothing about the character and somehow assumed that her eyes were blue.
No. 2014097
>>2012483IMO I think /ic/ is really good for what it is. It’s really hard to find consistent and good art discord servers. You can’t just pop by and post without contributing but also they have a tendency to get overrun by kiddie drawings. I also noticed that a lot of servers I’m in kind of became inactive in 2022. You can find good servers just looking through tiktok which sounds really cursed but I’ve come across servers that have a mix of abilities. Artistlounge on reddit also isn’t bad.
Anyway those are my favourite.
- Radiorunner’s
- Sinix
-Heard about Monochroma but never joined it
No. 2014099
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>>2014061Oh my god same, plus book cover illustrations that aren't stupid bland stock photos or graphic design. Growing up I collected Goosebumps purely because of the cover art
No. 2014103
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>>2010437The white haired complaint is borderline brain dead and the artist should die of embarrassment.
It has nothing to do with race and all the more to signify that there’s something unnatural about this character. Same goes with coloured (usually blue eyes) that the character is almost ethereal. Rarely do you see white (or Japanese) characters like that.
I saw the complaint about eyes before on tumblr years later I still think it’s stupid. No wonder you rarely see people being innovative with black and brown characters because you get unhinged shit like this. Artists are so weird about, you can have such a bland and boring design but god forbid you don’t give them white palms.
No. 2014104
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>>2014099Samefag I love the foreshadowing in this cover (main character was the ghost the whole time and died in a house fire in her sleep), you wouldn't get that with a getty pic or something like picrel. Vile book by the way, worst thing by Stephen King
No. 2014174
>>2014164without more context, it could either be loli-pandering or just people not knowing how to write/depict children. It's not uncommon for people to either have child characters behave way too old or way too young without it being due to anything perverted. Unfortunately though it doesn't need to be intentional bait on the part of the creator's for pedos to take it as such and flock to it.
idk hard to say without seeing the character, but yeah the main non-bait reason would just be creator incompetence.
No. 2014240
>>2011221I have no fucking clue who this is but from what I read here he's disgusting
>>2011598> Shadman got doxxed I only know who this is because of a 4chon post but it seems a lot of nsfw artists all look the same: unkempt
No. 2014304
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>>2014164>>2014174It was about Poppy from pokemon scarlet and violet. Keep in mind she's 9 and a usual 10 year old looks like Ash Ketchum in the pokemon world.
No. 2014313
>>2014304That is definitely meant to look like a 5-year-old.
The silhouette is very, very reminiscent of the JP kindergarten uniform, while the headpiece mimics a bonnet. The 'key' is both a latchkey thing (Japanese kids go to daycare/elementary by themselves from early ages) + it stands in for a pacifier.
Fat ankles are also a thing often seen in 'loli/shota' porn that is influenced by 1960's manga.
No. 2014366
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>>2014164she’s supposed to be cute and i feel it’s rare for children to become an elite four member, so they probably wanted to highlight that fact. a character that’s actual lolibait within that same series is probably like, marnie
No. 2014606
>>2014366a normal looking teen character is lolibait and the actual fucking toddler design
>>2014304 is not? I assume you're the lolicon from the pokemon thread
No. 2014618
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>>2014304Just as a comparison, this is what a girl canonically around that age looks like in pokemon. Poppy is so clearly lolibait and denying it is retarded.
No. 2014626
>>2014618>>2014366NTA but just because a character is underage doesn't mean when it's moid baitish it's loli bait…
Both are gross but that looks a 14 year old, it's not a nine year that looks like a fucking toddler.
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>>2014304This is how a 5-7 year old looks in the Sailor Moon universe. Poppy is clearly meant to resemble a small child, the fat legs are a distinct design trait given to very young characters in anime. The designers look more suspicious for saying she's 9, why not say her real age? At least she's fully clothed.
No. 2014777
>>2014671well we found the lolicon
>>2014763nobody else thinks it, it's just this lolicon-chan trying to defend her loli-taste by calling normal looking kids sluts
No. 2014807
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Does anyone know where to find curated images to do value studies? like a pack or something. Whenever i find one on pinterest i end up finding it sucks for value studies.
No. 2014977
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>>2014304i wouldnt say this is lolibait since its a child drawn as a child but she does looks like a toddler and not a 9 yr old and seeing her mannerisms prove it too, perhaps the pokemon devs wanted to add a toddler in but aged her a bit.
im just horrified at the thought how pornsick the pokemon community is, adding a character like this is hell, even though pokemon is supposed to be for kids No. 2015493
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>>2010368In the comics when Storm originally debuted, it was specifically pointed out she was given various rare and exotic features that don't classify as neither black/white/asian/ect. Over the years they've quietly moved on from this canon she no longer has the cat eyes, and they sort of flip-flop on the hair texture depending on who's drawing her, but she was deliberately designed to be more 'exotic' it's not just the hair.
Pocahontas is another one to a lesser extent, where they deliberately aged her up, then modeled her after various models of varying races. With the artist mentioning when questioning why they aged up a 14 year old: "We’re doing a mature love story here, and we’ve got to draw her as such. She has to be sexy."
No. 2015569
>>2015556Do you want to do value studies from artwork or from photos? If you want to do it from observation the fastest way to do it is from older b/w films and doing quick comps from still frames. Has the side benefit of dramatically improving your compositional skills as well.
From other artists, American illustrators like Mead Schaeffer, NC Wyeth, and Dean Cornwell are the standard recommendations.
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>>2015923not really, i could actually put all of the genshin lolis here. all of them are obvious lolibait yet not really sexualized.
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Just once I want to see someone with this kind of artstyle not be allergic to expressions. If it wasn't for the "burn" at the bottom you wouldn't even know this was supposed to be Regina George. I get that the "pretty girl smiling off into space" genre is a guaranteed hit but how do people not get fucking bored when every other big account does it?
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>>2016358>>2016366I thought it was Elle Woods at first. Idk, it's a fine drawing, just very generic.
No. 2016408
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>>2014304>>2014164No, I don't think it's bait. To me, it seems more like the female designs became increasingly cutesy over the years compared to the designs from older generations. I think they just prioritized cutesy-ness over logic. I think if they just made the character taller, it would solve the problems with the design. Like another anon said, it's a fine design for a six-year-old.
No. 2016482
>>2016408She isn't a 6 year old though, nor was she drawn for 6 year olds to enjoy. If a 6 year old plays the game she'll look like the people you posted.
But Poppy also isn't the first "suspiciously smol uwu girl" character pokemon has had, there's one in legends arecus and iirc sun and moon had one? (Though neither was designed to have kindergarten clothes in those cases) I think a designer on the team just likes the trope.
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>>2016408>>2016412At least Digimon had a few tomboys,but the designs for the Digi destined girls went to shit after Tamers.I don't know why the designers at Pokemon keep giving the girls thigh highs,mini skirts and shorts that is weird when they're younger than 15…
No. 2017860
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>>2017850i looked at enough rendermaxxed art it finally clicked with me now my art will finally get more than 1 like
No. 2017884
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>>2017864If you took away that burn collage you wouldn't even know who the character was bffr. Also the rendering sucks, the values are shit and the blending and colouring are muddy and the differentiation between the hard and soft lines look accidental and amateurish and I can literally see where the liquidify tool was used. Other anons are being too nice, this is fucking garbage beg shit and I've seen corprophillic vore furry guro 19 year old tif porn artists with a better grasp of anatomy and rendering. There's no form either it's fucking rendermaxxed symbol drawing!!
No. 2017887
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>>2017884Like what the fuck is this section? Disgusting.
No. 2017892
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>>2017877Show art or sincerely take the biggest glass of shut the fuck up
>>2017875Personal taste
>>2017887Nitpicking to hide your jealousy kekkkk. You farmers draw like absolute shit and think the only artist that exist in this world that are capable of delivering “troo artistry~” are japs who draw sameface anime characters. Get real, it’s cute and definitely not ugly or mud that person is clearly at a higher level of artistic ability than a lot of the farmers here
>>2017884Again show art or gtfo. Plus, picrel, jealousy is a disease
(infighting) No. 2017897
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I’m cackling like how is any of her artwork mid? Nothing about this is mid and I bet years of practice has gone into her artistry, it’s not entirely her fault she has to draw glass-eyes dolls to even be noticed through the algorithm. Her shit is still cute and good artwork
>m-muh liquify pen!!!
Bitch it’s a digital TOOL, cool your jets.
No. 2017901
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>>2017897Cute and impressionist-inspired. God forbid it isn’t hyper realistic art from the wifebeater era. Hate you /ic/ faggots so much, full of hot air but your art is always garbage
No. 2017903
>>2017901samefag, *watercolor
>>2017900Personal taste
No. 2017906
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>>2017892Getting genuinely angry while white knighting insta slop is crazy. Digital is drawing on easy mode. Also what's up with the "I'm cackling asdjfhfjf" twitterspeak?
No. 2017908
>>2017892I'm a traditional architecture artist who doesn't post online, what am I to be envious of? Sorry I have eyes and studied art history and illustrative techniques so I can tell what's a stylistic choice and what's stupid beg shit by exposure to actually good art alone.
Anyways I hit my peak when my art became a threadpic, I can die happily.
>>2017897She skinwalked Loish for years and still lacks a understanding of colour and form somehow, now she's skinwalking Sam- it's really fucking easy to pretend to be good when you're heavily referencing everything you do.
No. 2017926
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>>2017916>your chicken scratch practice sketches mog that loish slop KEK the copium is unreal. Gotta believe it to make it real, I respect the delusional attitude
(infighting) No. 2017937
>>2017920the loish copycat isn't amazing either anon but the hatched drawing is pretty close to the same level of skill. sketching digitally vs trad doesn't have much difference either, it's making fully finished drawings that digital has a massive advantage in. granted lotusbubble is just a samdoesarts copycat minus the actual technical skill
>>2017920tbf most people in art school are dogshit
No. 2017944
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>>2017936I’m still gonna vibe with the generic art tbh, still cute and easy on the eyes
No. 2017958
>>2017922>>2017926Have you noticed how none of the anons have said they draw better? Weird! Maybe having exposure to art and eyeballs means you can comment on it regardless of skill, why do you think art critics that don't do art are still a respected opinion within fine and historical arts? I can say Jeff Koons art is ugly diarrhoea and I can still be right even though I can't make ugly life sized Michael Jackson statues.
>>2017939Heavy referencing is fine for master studies but doing it all the time just shows you lack personality in your art and you're restricting yourself quite heavily doing so as you don't learn much from it. You can tell the difference between a Domenico Ghirlandaio and a Michaelangelo, even though the latter was a apprentice of the former.
No. 2017966
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This one is hilarious. Fiona gets yassified, drama due to fatphobia accusations ensues as expected.
No. 2017969
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>>2017964I'm this
>>2017884 anon, I do not think I am better because I do not do digital art. The only digital art I've made in the past 7+ years is two 20 minute track pad cow doodles on MS paint because I was pissed at the AI sperg. Art is a silly hobby I do, it's not that important to me and I'll call shit art shit if I want to.
No. 2017982
>>2017977It literally IS easier though. You have buttons to achieve things that would take hours of work and years of practice in real life. Most basic example: trying to achieve a perfect gradient digitally vs traditionally. C'mon. Digital lacks both investment and skill value, this is coming from someone who loves both.
>>2017972Yeah it wasn't my proudest moment. The gamer rage got the best of me!
No. 2017987
>>2017887what exactly is wrong with this?
>>2016355why is everyone getting so worked up about this art? It's cute and nice to look at, pretty colors. I don't see anything wrong with it
and shocker, but people have different opinions, this is beggining to sound like retarded reddit hivemind
some artists just love to draw pretty girls , it's their thing, it's what they LOVE, isn't art supposed to be fun? not everyone wants to be a fancy ass artist
No. 2017999
>>2017982again, you're not wrong about stuff like that but i meant knowledge of anatomy, lighting, gesture, perspective, etc. it's all applicable to digital and trad. versus skills specific to the medium, which like you said, takes time to learn. like i said, doing a digital sketch vs a sketch like
>>2017906 is almost pretty much the same
No. 2018004
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More eye cleanser from looking at anon’s tryhard sketches.(bait)
No. 2018009
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>>2017987I didn't think this would turn into a infight, the original poster's idiosyncrasies just annoyed me. Anyways it's a good break from the typical same old discussions.
Anyways, what is everone's opinion on the thing in picrel? Just curious to see where the sentiment ends, after all not everyone wants to be a fancy sculptor
No. 2018036
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>>2018023It really does.
>>2018030Yes.
No. 2018039
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>>2018030>>2018035Actually it's much bigger, horrifying
>>2018032His thing is making everything tacky and superficial because something something he used to be in marketing. He's the guy who made those horrible metallic balloon dogs
No. 2018040
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>>2010382I have seen people crying about how Pepa looked like a "real latina" on the left and was unfair that she ended looking like on the right. Have they slept during the "Dos oruguitas"? The grandpa's hair and skin tones were exactly like Pepa's.
No. 2018042
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since we are talking about kitsch art, i cant help but love it. It's so sincere and cute. I specially like old postcards like pic rel.
No. 2018048
>>2018039Kek I forgot it's even bigger. Idk why it's so much funnier to me now.
>>2018042I always found kitsch art a convoluted term. While some artist entitled themselves as kitsch, a lot of art got pulled into that solely because people thought they were tacky, but the concept of tacky can change. I never saw these postcard you posted been described as kitsch, but I'm not from the US, so that could be it.
No. 2018049
>>2018009OP here, wasn't expecting an infight either. My point was that the pic, which popped up on my timeline (don't even know who the artist is), was a dime a dozen style and I wish the subjects weren't always smiling into space. Because of that it wasn't immediately clocked as Regina (even on Twitter some replies agree). I didn't say it was bad, didn't attack the artist or their skills, nor said that it needed John K tier faces. It's inoffensive generic art that the algorithm favors, and in my opinion, some brow quirks or a smug grin could've made it stand out a little more. Don't know how that opinion equates to "pathologically lying" or envy, but the discussion's ran its course. God forbid women do more than smile prettily, god forbid people like drawing and looking at smiling pretty girls.
As for the statue, it's campy and would look cool at some sideroad tourist museum off Vegas. The scale is scary though
No. 2018063
>>2018039>making everything tacky and superficial because something something he used to be in marketing>those horrible metallic balloon dogsah, of course, no wonder it feels empty
>>2018042It's interesting to me how similar some of the stylisation here is to anime kek, though I agree with the other anon I wouldn't peg this as being 'kitsch', but tbf I'm more familiar with kitsch furniture and decor and not illustrations.
No. 2018065
>>2018049AYRT the original poster I meant was the anon who calling everyone jealous but I apologise for the confusion. You have a much more reasonable critique than mine, I was just pissed kek
>>2018056Not even close a comparison anon, most online artists work in the subjective or constructive frames, the former having the audience's opinions on it help define the artwork (as it's a connection made by the artist between the artist, the audience and the world) and the latter is focused on techniques and mediums which the audience can break down and question why the artist did what they did. Basic art theory 101, this is high school stuff.
No. 2018301
>>2017924nobody actually good or well-known will want to post their art because being found out you use the
TERF site is social suicide, and doing well as an artist is based on your popularity. drop the pyw shit please.
No. 2018379
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I know he's a coomer, but how the fuck does this dude upload fully finished pieces almost every day? insane
No. 2018457
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here are some models you can try out YUhSMGNITTZMeTl3YVhobGJHUnlZV2x1TG1OdmJTOTFMMGhWU0RSTmRIWXk= just copy paste and decode this so the actual page doesn't get dmca'ed
No. 2018466
>>2018457go back to /ic/
>>2018455they all have the exact same proportions as a CSP model
No. 2018769
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>>2018419Domenico Ghirlandaio wasn't Japanese but stay mad at phantoms
>>2018686Rendermaxxing well needs a lot of reference images, you don't need to learn to rendermax to get popular (one of the biggest artists I follow does colourful unblended hatch work and black and white sketches) but if that's the path you want you better start studying from photos, and doing that a
lot No. 2018860
>>2018805I mean are they wrong?
>>2018830Vewn was never original, who cares
No. 2019293
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>>2018770>Pokemon designers are males sooooNot true, there's always been female designers too since gen 1, in gen 7 they even outnumber the males, tho in most cases there's been roughly a 60-40% ratio with a few more males. Picrel is a kid/teen confirmed to be designed by a woman for example.
No. 2021313
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Thoughts on lavander town's equestria girl redesign? Rainbow dash is probably my favorite. I like twilight too but she looks a bit too moe for her character. Pinkie pie is cute. Applejack and fluttershy are a bit generic. Rarity being drag queen inspired kinda piss me off. Overall, I do think lavander town's style is a better fit for colorful designs such as these. And her pony designs are really cute. Honestly, she would probably gain from leaning more into furry designs since you can get away with a lot more stylization and anatomy inaccuracies than with human characters.
No. 2021429
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Wait, Eigaka is a woman? Or is he a troon?
No. 2022704
>>2021977Late as fuck but there was a time 3 to 4 years ago where every single one of her new videos were posted here and was in a threadpic iirc, kek. Also she had terfy views in the past and Tumblr and Twitter already hate her so what failure is to be had besids the one already experienced?
Honestly she's kind of based for effortlessly drifting on her below average art after so many years. I genuinely can't believe she's outlived Kasey and Holly in relevancy after all these years while barely improving, if not regressing after the slight improvement in style in 2020.
No. 2022829
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What stuff do you draw nonny? i am trying to draw more, but i cannot come up with things to draw. I wish i autistically really liked something.
No. 2022935
>>2022829cityscapes and starter home designs (<1600sqft). My descent into Cities Skylines and Urbanist youtubers is what kicked this off.
Try to find ANYTHING that remotely interest you and you'll start to want to design your own versions of that thing.
No. 2023452
>>2022403I tried it some years back, and I don't think it really moves the needle much vs. any other long term drawing challenge I've tried. It's always come down to my personal commitment to doing a thing and if I'm willing to put the time aside to do said thing regardless of format.
But the other anons are right about the overall state of the site in terms of stagnation and coomshit for submissions. The format inherently encourages people to either throw up shit sketches which reinforces bad habits, or people toss up a bunch of WIPs of the same image which is also really fucking boring. I wouldn't use it as a place to improve because the bar is in hell.
No. 2023652
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Why are the most technically skilled artists the most degenerate? All moid artists are obviously, but I’ve been seeing women in the industry go the e-thot route as of late. It’s frustrating.
No. 2023659
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>>2023656nta but there are tons of industry veterans who are degens. Even before the internet, like frazetta, chris sanders, tezuka. Its basically impossible to find a scrote who doesnt draw big titty women. Pic rel is official art from Disney artists in the 90s.
No. 2023820
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A lot of artists are deleting their art off insta and leaving, are you? And what other sites would you go to?
No. 2023828
>>2023652I think the degenerate part is exactly why it makes it way to us, people are outraged/grossed out by it so they talk about it, and their fellow pornsick moids spread it around more. Art that is "just" good doesn't get the same treatment.
In the same vein as a eurofag I can't name a single sucessful person from Florida, but I could tell you a shit ton of crazy "floirda man" escapades. They're more memorable, for the wrong reasons.
No. 2023834
>>2023822It sucks, but it has to happen. It's so blatant how they don't give a fuck about artists and people's personal data all for ai shit. However, instagram was a bane of my existence for years,so I hate this platform so much, so I kinda somewhat even glad this happens. But it sucks how there's barely any good websites for artists nowadays. Everything is filled to the brim with ai slop, the state of DA makes me want to cry, I even prefer gross fetish shit era than this soulless ai crap.
>>2023652Do we have to return to this conversation every week now? Yes, there's a ton of degen artists that are good at art, still, there's even more porn artists who suck at it even if porn addiction forces them to try more difficult compositions and their autism makes them hyperfocused on art. There's still tons of artists that are not degens and can draw nice art without degeneracy. It's just porn is what gets clicks unfortunately so you get more of that on your timeline.
No. 2023836
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>>2023820Everyone's fucked either way because it comes into effect next month, while it takes three months for Instagram to delete things from their server and backups after a account DFEs
No. 2023837
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Every time I see tips for character designing (in the cartoony area) they say "vary the shapes" within the charcters, like make one tall, skinny and pointy, the next short and round etc. and while I can totally understand why it's supposedly more visually interesting I just don't personally agree. Ever since childhood I've always consistently prefered the shows/comics with "similar but different" designs and even find the mixed shapes to look clashing and like they're not even from the same universe. For example I prefered w.i.t.c.h. over steven universe. Maybe my personal taste is just boring tho, but I'd like to hear anons thoughts about it lol
No. 2023856
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>>2023837> designs and even find the mixed shapes to look clashing and like they're not even from the same universe.I'd love to know what you think of these women then if you think W.I.T.C.H. has good designs. Everyone being the same stick figure gets real boring real fast, and that's coming from a Bratz fan.
No. 2023937
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>>2023896Look at this and tell me these girls have distinct body types. they're clearly based off the same base model even if there are slight height differences.
No. 2024044
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>>2023971>cash grab animated series Oh my goddd every show is a CASH CRAB because every show has to MAKE MONEY TO RUN IT FOR A FEW SEASONS AND PAY EVERYONE. How does it feel to be more retarded than other people anon?
>>2023937>not fat >no strange looking >different races/backgrounds >different personalities What’s the problem here? kek
No. 2024065
>>2023827I have tried it and it's a decent way to focus in on what you want to improve. I saw results towards the middle of the second month, but I'd say to stick with it you really need to have a good eye for critiquing yourself and looking at aspects of your work that you know you need improvement on, and the discipline to focus on those weak points.
It's not a method for everyone, especially if you have issues comparing yourself to the artist you chose. You need to look at elements of their work objectively and constantly look at what you're lacking. It's a solid method I'd recommend to anyone who's ready for it, but not for super beginner artists. Good luck nona!
No. 2024165
>>2023862the problem with 'shape language' is that it's usually taught at its most exaggerated, and then most people see it as a shortcut to successful character design and have no idea how to use it with any nuance or that they can even build their own shape language within their projects. So you get a lot of generic, creatively cheap designs such as those within the 'calarts style' family of design choices, which actually hampers shape language's purpose of helping to tell the audience about the character, story and world. If you make your protagonist heavily rounded because round = friend, with no other shape language or contrasting elements, then all you've really done is shown you stayed awake for at least one of your character design classes and that your character has little going for them if all they can inspire is a flat design.
(I'm not against shape language as a concept btw, just frustrated with how it's been communicated and how people avoid using it more subtly and with varied layers)
No. 2024349
>>2024065nayrt, but appreciate you sharing how long it took before you started seeing results. Were you sticking to a set number of days per cycle of
>finished piece >analyze >practice >redraw or did you just let things run for as long as each step took?
No. 2024567
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>>2024044>Does not want to see women be fat and uglyI can't help you with that bad take. Seeing women with non-standard designs is cool AND interesting. Pic very much related. I know some women here hate Oda's art but I think this is a good example of having a mix of cool looking and wacky designs. Now if only one piece could have girl characters look like this all the time, it'd probably have a lot less hate…
No. 2024681
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I hate AIcels so fucking much
No. 2024712
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>>2019293Pokémon Sun/Moon had the best character designs and one of the best anime adaptations.
No. 2025095
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Why is this a trend lately? People are trying so hard to make fatness a minority trait lol
No. 2025437
>>2025388Very difficult, unless you're into something extremely niche, and even then it's not a guarantee
TBH, Twitter isn't worth it to make friends even if it's the place most people go to for art in western-speaking circles now, there's too much shitflinging and people don't even talk or post about art a lot anymore, just politics and how xyz character is "totes tranz"
No. 2025610
>>2024373Break up any heavy study of one particular artist's work with days where you either study someone else more lightly who has a contrasting style, or better yet, observational drawings. When doing observational drawings either focus on realism/accuracy (especially if you're studying a very stylised artist), or try and pay attention to your own stylistic choices and what qualities you naturally favour while drawing. Drawing subject matter that the artist you're studying doesn't usually draw will also help (eg if they only draw people, draw some animals or plants, etc)
Also don't just mindlessly copy when you study another's work, take note of the specific choices and qualities in their art that you really like, how they compare to your existing style, and how they might fit in and become habit while you draw. Discard the stylistic elements that don't innately interest you, or you find tedious to include– an art teacher of mine said that you find your style when you're enjoying the process of putting each line or brushstroke down, both the gesture itself and the form it takes as it comes together. Good luck anon!
No. 2025748
>>2023656I hate this forced meme of a cope regurgitated in the recent threads so much. Anons should just take an art course and get properly grounded and git gud.
>>2022829OCs and comics.
No. 2026303
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>>2025752>>2025713What's stunting your progress the most is you not drawing and instead wasting time thinking about this shit kek, it's only clueless beginners who complain about this. Sometimes intermediates who don't draw much anymore, they just look at other's artwork and go "wow, I wish I could do that!" and then they continue scrolling for another few hours before spending the rest of their free time gaming. To be good at anime you need to have solid fundies anyway, just try everything and see what you actually like and what sticks. How often do you draw during the week?
No. 2026443
>>2026431Yes and there are tons of super easy tutorials if you want quick and easy facepainting designs. I recommend ONLY printing out the designs you want to do, meaning if you only have 5, do 5. You can offer little one-off designs like a flower on the cheek or hearts around the eyes too for a discounted price as these aren't as full-face. Plus two butterfly wings make a heart, so it's perfect for little touches of cute for kids.
The only people who will make the kids hate their makeup is parents telling them that it doesn't look right. Otherwise, kids love having paint on them regardless because their imagination fills in the blanks. It's so freaking cute. Also don't feel bad if you put out a tip jar. This was a thing 20 years ago too, so don't feel bad about how tipping culture is currently. You're doing something worth tipping. Only other thing is make sure you bring an umbrella and make it strict that you stick to ONLY what is on your options board. Deviating could result in people noticing one person and then it spreads you will do whatever and that can cause a lot of issues if it isn't something that you are comfortable creating with paints anyway.
No. 2026978
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I’m glad I only got into art as a hobby. If I spent thousands on art school only to get mogged by a 16-year-old Chinese artist who puts out renaissance paintings every weak I would have killed myself.
No. 2027283
>>2023856Ayrt, a bit late but real humans obviously fall into "same but different" category. There's not a single person there half the height of the others, a triagle shaped head, or body round as a ball, one having a nose 3 times bigger than the head, etc etc
>>2023862>“pretty, skinny girl smiling demurely” genre has taken off on social media the way it has is partially to blame.This has consistently been my opinion since before social media really existed though, I just prefer pretty unison looking groups, and I don't think that's abnormal?
>>2024143>My only issue with your pic is how every concept art teacher latches to this extreme examples as peak designs. You can simply a form without turning them into geometrical blobs.Yeah you can still add the shapes subtly to hint at personality instead of being so literal with them. But cartoons "for kids" are always dead set on making all the characters extra distinct from each other by shape.
No. 2027326
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>>2027322I don't see the problem with what I said. having unique designs is a good thing. Albinism is rare in real life but there are plenty of characters in fiction that have pale skin and white hair. Why shouldn't you draw uncommon features in art? That seems unnecessarily stifling.
No. 2027549
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When I realised picrel was about Gaza I did a triple take so bad I think I might have snapped my neck. While I hate call-out culture as much as the next person but we seriously need some retarded popular YouTuber to start pointing out how offensive it is to cute-sify the monstrosity of what is currently happening in Gaza. It’s the only thing I can see being able to stop these self-righteous Twitter TIFs from making their disgusting anime fanarts about dying children.
No. 2027561
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>>2027549This you?
(infighting) No. 2027575
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i don't know much about Sinfest, but i liked how TERFy he became. but what the fuck is he on to draw this?
No. 2027589
>>2027549A bot could have come up with this concept. It's literally just smashing together two things that are trending on social media right now with no regard for how cohesive they are.
>>2027563This happens whenever a manga gets a popular anime adaptation. The same thing happened with BNHA: the fandom flooded with retards when the anime aired. It's kind of incredible how having to
read something filters out so many morons.
No. 2027603
>>2027595The allies still probably would have won without the U.S., it just would have taken longer. They basically would have had to wait for Germany to inevitability run out of fossil fuel. That's why Hitler made such risky plays in Russia; he was trying to reach their oil fields. It
is important that the U.S. sped things up by intervening, though, because with each passing day, more civilians were being killed in camps. (Not that the U.S., was particularly sympathetic, though, most Americans at the time opposed allowing European refugees into the country, and some actually died in death camps because they were denied asylum by the U.S.)
No. 2027701
>>2027669nta but that isn't really true, most of the really great animators who were highly flexible when it came to art style were also very good at realism and had solid fundamentals. If you don't know the rules you can't break them, especially not in an interesting and convincing way. These were also people who had to be flexible though because of their jobs, most people you see online never have to switch up an art style and will therefore lack the ability to observe what makes a different style function and fuck it up. A person's art is a reflection of how they train and limit themselves.
Proko's issue in this regard is that he's very much an art teacher and clearly doesn't experiment outside of the core subject matter that he teaches. Plus he's a good example of why you shouldn't publicly show your first attempts at a new subject or style until you've gotten some practice in and better understand how and what you're doing kek
No. 2027724
>>2027701I'm
>>2027677 and I agree with you. I think a big part of it is not forgetting to still practice everything now and then. When you stop drawing for a year after being a realist, randomly start up cartoony art, of course going back you'll need to practice some stuff again, but I don't know how anon is taking one artist and basing everyone's talent off of that. Good artists can do a lot of both, some just prefer to focus on one over the other, specifically online if one gets more attention than the other.
>>2027709Classical artists have been discussed all over these threads. Please just lurk. We mentioned Disney and Pixar and even Ghibli. There are so many people who work on these, Hayao Miyazaki, the director of Studio Ghibli. There's a massive example for you. Also your portfolio should be all over the place. Anyone who has told you otherwise is an idiot. It shows range and how a studio can tweak you to fit into where they'd want you as an animator, CA, background.. I don't know where you are getting your information, but everything you've been saying is wrong.
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>>2027709There are many artists with broad ranges, though they usually don't go for photorealism which is what I assume you're fixated on? Very close copies of photos are for studying purposes only, everything else will have your personal touch whether you like it or not. And like other anons have said, you only get hardstuck with western comic face syndrome if you don't go out of your way to try different things once you notice.
Picrel is by 82PIGEON, I'm pretty sure she's been posted before and there are tons of similar artists.
No. 2027889
>>2027760thats not realism
nonny kek its just rendermaxxed and less rendermaxxed anime
No. 2028023
>>2027905that's social justice activism cringe, not autism cringe
>>2027669>Look at proko, he's incapable of drawing a minion.This prompted me to scroll the thread and find
>>2007309 i'm keking so hard
No. 2028045
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>>2028023This reminded me of picrel which is Proko's attempt at drawing a kangaroo from imagination. The only value Proko has in the art world are his interviews with other artists who actually can draw.
No. 2028204
>>2028045Most of the interviews feel very shallow, which ones are your favourite.
I like his podcast with Marshall
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>>2027669>>2027709you have a fundamentally flawed understanding of what realism is. Realism exists in all art that aims to depict things in real life. Classical pianting, pixar movies, anime, all stem from realism with different levels of abstraction. For example the lego movie, with featured abstracted models of characters as designed by lego in their toys, but completely computer-generated and animated to look like stop motion animation, and rendered with incredibly realistic lighting to further the illustion of real life. Multiple layers of realism and abstraction, which exists in varying degrees within all art.
Artist with a good understanding of the concept of abstraction can have diverse range, all the while emitting their personal style into all genres which they may dabble in.
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Does anyone else follows an artist that keeps nuking and coming back?
No. 2029048
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>>2028794>I can't draw men but I can draw women!I don't think so kek all his social medias are dead and his last patreon posts were in may, april, december, september, march. This motherfucker does not draw and should not be listened to.
No. 2029255
>>2029171>They look fineAre you serious? Coomery aside, it's quite evident this guy has no idea how 3D space works. Most of the features on these girls are floating. Look at the one in the top right corner. Are you seriously telling me she looks fine? Her face doesn't even make sense; the structure of her chin doesn't correlate with where her mouth is, her eyes are front facing but everything else is 3/4 angle and she looks like she's fucking balding. The girl underneath her is not better, she looks like a wikihow illustration. No definition, no form, a hack's knowledge of anatomy. The blond one at the bottom, I guess she's supposed to have a single horn on her head, but it's not actually there, the hair doesn't interact with it, it doesn't fit the shape of the forehead. It straight up looks like she's unaware of a turd falling on her. The one in the red dress… are you seeing her legs? Can you imagine how they connect to her pelvis? Well, neither can I because her anatomy doesn't make sense.
I could go on, but I'm seriously getting angry the longer I stare at these. I didn't know this guy existed only an hour ago, and now I'm seriously upset that he's out there giving art advice when he's a glorified symbol artist. Nothing wrong with being a noobie, but geezus at least be aware of it.
No. 2029728
>>2028794don't wanna get into what the discussion has devolved into here, but I have been seeing a lot of these art youtubers lately who are amateurish and lack a body of work which compells me to watch the video. I always vet a new artist's art that I come across on yt before I decide whether or not I should spend time watching the video.
Unfortunately I think this is symptomatic of the content economy. Skilled artists are busy making money from industry work, or running their own brands/businesses, while the artists who aren't good enough for the industry found out they can make money of conent, and not actually their art. Art is just the niche/vehicle through which they push their content. They put more effort into the content than the art.
Don't really have any real insightful thoughts about this though since it seems pretty cut and dry, and I don't think that's changing anytime soon on art yt. I wouldn't bother getting worked up over what other ppl do/don't do. Some people are just tryna make a living and if it's not offensive or harmful, simply don't engage. The livelihood of a channel hinges on its engagement anyway, so you'll be doing your part but not engaging if you don't like the content.
No. 2029801
>>2029171it's not the worst, but it's a style only turbo coomer men have. i've noticed men who only consume le epic newgrounds western animu styles draw their women manly with overly rendered details, but with extremely flat faces. and i don't mean flat faces , just like they shade it like it's a 2d plane. it's just gross looking
>>2029309liking someone's art isn't whiteknighting. all the artists who've posted their work in here range from average to dogshit, you can see the quality of work on lolcow in other threads are also around average. seeing anons dogpile on someone for being bad when they're the same skill level is weird
No. 2029875
>>2029710Eh, I can tell that there's parts that are more wonky than anything anime officially releases, except maybe top right that's just a face lol.
Put your finger over their faces and try to figure out how their body works. They don't.
No. 2029906
>>2029883Well, if they like it then I guess I can't say anything, though I figured they didn't from the way they put it. I just think nonas were
valid in saying it's easy to spot.
No. 2030038
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Why are DAD users so fucking bad? imagine having a 1130 drawing streak and still drawing like this
No. 2030106
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>>2030094They are so fucking bad. I went in to check because i was contemplating making an account, but seeing some of the biggest accs draw like shit made me realize that maybe forcing myself to draw every day is a bit counterproductive. The spirou fujo is amazing though, she's the only artist that doesnt suck ass.
No. 2030156
>>2030106You can draw the exact same thing every day and not improve besides maybe getting faster at it, to get better you have to actually think about what new things you're doing and learning. Like, seansketches has been drawing daily for 2000+ days by now, but he's gotten so good in that time because he's not exclusively coombrained the way someone who'd draw
>>2030038 is kek
No. 2030170
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>>2027709have you never read calvin and hobbes
No. 2030405
>>2030170Great example
nonny>>2027709Playing around with style is kinda really common and being balanced enough to bounce around with how realistic you get is expected in terms of artistic industry. If you're struggling maybe pic a focal point (like if it's character design focus on character designs for various shows like a slapstick cartoon, a magical girl anime, a slice of life coming of age series for preteens etc. If you want your own specific style to set the standard for the piece you're more than likely working alone and not part of bigger projects so a portfolio won't do much since you're working on your own project in an indie scene.
No. 2032603
>>2032426Potato potahto in some cases. Defending coomery moids will get people mad at you in lc.
>>2032388Theres quite a lot of las/dad artists who has since fucked off and work in the industry. There's been a few discussions about shit like animation and concept art that align with my experiences and others I know that makes me think there's a handful of pros here too. obviously not the ones repeatedly begging for tips, but plenty are lurking.
No. 2032681
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There was some anon who said they had bilibili tutorials to share, where are you?. Please share them.
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I genuinely cannot wrap my head around construction. I suck so much at it even though i study a lot. My head just cannot visualize the ribcage/pelvis in 3D.
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>>2034576same. I need to stop watching stuff like pic rel before i draw, it depresses me
No. 2034663
>>2034544Try making a model with blutack or something that matches the construction forms you're trying to visualise. It doesn't have to be good or particularly accurate, I just find that making a maquette can help with stuff like that (or complex scenes), and I rarely see people talk about it as an option.
>>2034576I used to be really bad with that, but what helped me was dropping digital art for a while and picking up an inherently messier medium like painting. I was so focused on learning painting techniques and starting at a rougher stage instead of trying to get perfect, crisp digital lineart that I gradually learned to stop caring about the fugly parts of the journey and that everything can be painted over so don't care so much about mistakes it's all about confidence and persistence. Digital art is great, but I do think it can be easier to get into these ruts with it than traditional mediums sometimes. Hope you can get past this block soon anon!
No. 2034671
>>2007309Watch Steve Huston's videos. I'm
>>2034666 and his figure drawing videos are fantastic.
No. 2034680
>>2034666here are some studies i did today
>>>/m/388885 i also dont know how to develop confident lines, i normally end up doing several sketches and at least 2 layers for lineart.
No. 2034689
>>2033584I don't know how the algorithm works in cara, instagram nor twitter so I don't think's anything changed for me personally kek. I'm struggling to get impressions on all 3 but I think it's mostly because I don't have a habit of drawing FOTM or even fanart for that matter. I know me and a couple of other friends like to stay delusional about becoming famous on our ocs alone, and although we're decent artists I think that's pretty unrealistic unless we win the algorithm lottery.
I think my problem specifically is that I'm a social media leper who can't keep up with an algorithm, trends or deal with content creating worth shit. I throw my drawings every week or so and hope I get blessed by the zucc or the elongated muskrat and it feels like no matter how gud I get I'll always be stuck. I try not to care about numbers but it's futile. Is it just me?
No. 2034712
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>>2034680AYRT. Here's my feedback. This is coming from about 15-ish years' worth of professional drawing experience (as in, art that I can look back on and not cringe
too hard at). Hope it helps.
1. Don't draw digitally. Trying to learn anatomy, figure drawing, still life drawing, etc. on anything digital is absolutely awful. Why? Because, for a start, there's a separation between you and what you're drawing: the screen. Secondly, you need to remember that digital drawing programs have pressure sensitivity. And it can never recreate nor compare to drawing on a piece of paper in real life. From now on, stick to drawing in sketchpads (don't pick paper that's too rough, either, 'cause that WILL fuck up your drawings.)
2. Draw BIG. And when you draw BIG, draw with your entire arm. I studied illustration in college. We were taught this from day one. You learn to capture the gesture and flow of a figure with your whole arm. This allows you to, in turn, give more life to the drawing, because you're in motion, too. But ALSO because of this simple rule:
- Draw the gesture with your whole arm. Draw fine details with your wrist.
Drawing with your wrist should only be used for just that. Think of it as a painting. If you're painting a portrait, you don't grab the smallest brush you can and start painting every single pore on the person's face. You start with broad strokes, defining the basic shapes and pose, and "carve" the head and face from those. Then you add the fine details at the end. When you draw only with your wrist, you restrict yourself.
3. When you draw gestures with a pencil, hold it like picrel. This, combined with drawing with your entire arm, is one of those secrets nobody will tell you about. You will, over time, learn to control how loosely or how tightly you wield your pencil. And by doing this, you also control the weight of the line. This will help combat your chicken scratch, because you'll feel more confident in your skill. I can already see you're starting to do this, for instance, the figure laying down with her arm draped near her head.
Start with these three pieces of feedback. Hope they help.
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>>2034712>tfw too poor to afford a sketchbookits over
nonny No. 2034774
>>2034680Advice coming from an industry professional (character design focus).
I'll politely disagree but won't fully get into what the anon said. Drawing traditionally to learn fundamentals is always ideal but you clearly state you can't right now and that's fine.
-Get a sketching brush that flows (plenty of free ones off deviantart,gumroad etc).
-Gesture drawing is meant to be quick, so you shouldn't be thinking too much other then finding the flow of the form, put on a timer for 15-30secs.
-for confident lines draw through and don't think. Your eyes need to go where you want to draw next on the page, do not focus on where your digital pen is at."Ghosting"(hover your pen above your tablet and motion the action you want to do. For example draw a circle in the air and when you feel confident that you have the motion press down onto the tablet.)the motion of what you want to draw.
Download and read "Drawing with Force" by Michael D. Mattesi for figure drawing and more tips.
Vilppu is a good person to look at. He has a book forget what it's called. You can pirate some of his recorded classes.
No. 2034788
>>2034782Wonderful! New Master Academy is a great one, if you have a subscription I'm pretty sure vilppu has recorded videos on there.
Micheal literally does live classes and leave the recordings on youtube of student work for his classes. I don't know if he still does it (he did during covid for 2 years) but he sometimes would review peoples work who weren't in the course if they put it in the drop box. He uploads weekly. He has every video that can help you, all digitally.
You can learn how to draw on paper when you have the money.It's just a slight adjustment.
No. 2034952
>>2033584I see AI as another tech trend tbh. It will probably die when it will be overused and a new market for filtering will be up.
All of these niche art sites are useless, there is no point in sharing art with only artists. I like average people, and they are in normie social media sites.
No. 2035863
>>2017906not related to the infighting about pretty girl art from a week ago, i just spectated that argument cus it was funny, but i laugh every time i see this image. it's just too funny when posted in the context of this anon believing shes better then an instahoe artist when she draws like a highschooler that is passing their art electives with a hard C+. she's too much of a crab to realize shes on the tradart side of the coin of stagnated adult that draws like a struggling teenager lel
>unproportional tiny babby legs>all the muscles not related to the shoulder are guesswork that makes the figure look doughy>arms on the right are too short, arms would stop at his ass instead of mid thigh>positively no understanding of feet, just a sacks with a heel and maybe an ankle when she remembers>crosshatching in random directions instead of using it for what its for, defining form, not just fancy shading>inconsistent line weight while hatching makes him look like he has back hair in some spots and like a child shaded it in othersthere's nothing more satisfying than an art e-peen measuring contest that draws out everyone with a dunning kruger complex kek it makes me almost miss visiting /ic/
No. 2036031
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>>2036009People get turned on by all sorts of things, Tatsuki Fujimoto is 100% a coomer and most of the women he draws wear baggy business suits. You can't spend your life worrying if someone is getting off to a picture or not (which would have no bearing on if the art itself is bad).
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>>2036035Baggy relatively. You should never have that many creases in a well tailored suit
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>>2036035Nta but I think people have this perception because her coat looks pretty big on her, at least in the manga.
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I have not entered twitter in almost half a year but today I was curious to visit one of my forgotten cows profile but when checking her media tab, I was surprised to see that it is full of black squares? What does this mean? The media has been eliminated by herself or by twitter?
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>>2035909>>2035916Counterpoint: just because this is a normalized style of drawing anime women doesn't mean it's unrealistic and exaggerated. Literally look at the coomer perked up big boobs. Imo he fits that online wanime artist phenotype who posts cheesecake to softcore (with girls with tight clothes in poses that show up either crotch or boobs, maybe even pointy nipples if he's feeling frisky).
No. 2036299
>>2036279>whatever the fuck are these>>2029048From left to right, and from top to bottom
>knock off Hatsune miku with ugly Chinese outfit>dark hair + red eyes + pale skin + spaghetti strap top + random character on face = groundbreaking>White hair + red eyes + glasses = omg amazing design, never seen before>knock off Hatsune miku with ~cool dripping top~ in an amazing black and white half and half style (so impressive, how could've never thought of that?)>shitty arknights OC with dumb tech techwear and ~bunny ears~ because it's a ~cool~ mix of soft and tough (definitely something new)>token dark skin girl with the pussy out wearing stockings or retarded pants that look like stockings with a (never seen before) animu school girl uniform's top>decent looking character staring into your soul, probably for boring pfp>the girl with the impressive dark hair and red eyes combo with random face tattoo, is actually wearing a SO cool and SO amazing outfit that's a spaghetti strap top with a COOL animu school girl skirt because she's soooo cool and edgy! Not like other girls!! But holding a purse because she's feminine ugüu>animu girl with random horn on the forehead with the world's coolest lace braNow that I think about it, yeah, you're right anon, the designs are definitely innovative and not a mixture of the most boring and tired animu porn tropes that has ever exited, plus the poses and colors tells us so much of the not generic personalities of these characters, all of the anons criticizing you should apologize already.
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>>2036302nta but no one is offended by generic coomshit. We are just calling a spade a spade. I dont give a shit if an artist is a coomtard if he's a good artist, but that dude's art is beyond boring and generic. It looks like he has never drawn a background or a figure in perspective in his life.
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>>2036279
>defending coomer art when there are hundreds of years' worth of art from better, more talented artists
I can't tell if you're trying to be funny or if you really have no clue about the history of art.
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Is this correct? trying to learn art by myself is driving me crazy.(wrong thread)
No. 2036598
Any thoughts on Cara?
https://cara.app/homeSeems to be made in response to AI scraping. It's not run by facebook unlike insta, and you can actually curate your feed so that you don't have to see stuff you didn't sign up for.
On the other hand, it is also a twitter clone.
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5k likes on this, a tutorial for an style that is just using the airbrush and gaussian blur. Do people really need tutorials like these, can't they simply use their eyes? Isn't like this is anatomy or anything, I think anyone can understand how to give their art this effect with just seeing the original image.
No. 2036947
>>2036783yes because some people don't understand how to layer property or which brushes to use or where to start. A tutorial isn't an issue lol I'm more dumbfounded by the people calling this a
style and then complaining about AI stealing it, but now they want to show how they would draw in that style. After originally acting like style alone is unstealable and you're not allowed to recreate art or draw in that style if someone else owns it.
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>>2038009line of action has nothing but fatties and men with 0 muscle, pic rel
No. 2038157
>>2038104>>2036598It's refreshing to see an ig alternative, I'm sick of artists stressing over Instagram. But at its core, it's just another social media clone that's been hyped up.i hope it sticks but they need to secure funding because the cost of going viral is expensive, and the last group of people who'd want to pay for the upkeep of a site is all the low quality fanartists and memers who've moved over and made the place more expensive to run. Not everyone who goes there will stay and I'm willing to bet that it'll die down and become a ghost town in the next weeks.
It happens every time. Everyone just goes crawling back to twitter and ig after making a big fuss over how bad those platforms treated them.
I also can't relate to big industry artists trying to preach from on high about The State of Art on the Internet. So moving to Cara sounds more like it's for them rather than something everyone should care about.
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>>2032000Hey anon, here it is. Sorry for the late reply. “The Artist’s Guide to Drawing the Clothed Figure” by Michael Massen.
No. 2038801
>>2037981Tbf it has photosets with overweight women as well, it's just good to have different types of bodies to study even if it's only for quick warm-ups. If the person making the photos isn't attracted to men they won't care if they are attractive or not.
>>2038748Which are your favorite sources? I've been looking at repost accounts on twitter and tumblr to find good references because seeking out magazines is so bothersome kek
No. 2039092
>>2038703I had an art class with an unattractive model (old balding fat guy) and when a moid asked why he modeled his response was that he went to Italy and was inspired by all the art and statues that he wanted to be involved in art making
If I'm looking for attractive guy bodies I'll just browse fitness forums because lots of guys post nudes or progress pics
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>>2039425True but those are just the sets that have been made available to the site. I think it's ok for quick figures but I've switched to posemaniacs because of it. More interesting angles and you can actually see the muscles. Just sucks that it has been bugging recently
No. 2039450
>>2039092>>2039423one of the best life drawing models in the classes I took was an older man, not at all because of his physique but because he was really good at holding interesting and emotive poses. Worst model was a younger woman who just sat around boredly acting like she was god's gift to artists because she had an instagram following lol (had similar problems with a young gymbro guy, but at least he'd hold decent poses for muscle practice… until he got bored or whatever and relaxed the pose halfway through, losing definition or shifting the placement), and everyone in the class agreed that the best model we worked with by far was an older lady who was both a delightful person and poser. What I'm getting at is that sure, while a young/fit/attractive model would be nicer to stare at for a couple hours of drawing, the model's ability to pose in an interesting/beneficial way is more important imo (and btw I'd say that the fat moid in a chair an anon posted does not fall into that category kek)
If I'm going to draw off of photo references, then I just find what I'm looking for rather than waste time on pre-curated pics that don't match my requirements.
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What are some underrated artists you like? I cant believe this artist only has 1k followers.
No. 2039804
>>2039472You could argue that a good artist would notice landmarks even with suboptimal subjects.
>>2039630Kek the obvious 3d model usage here. I guess you just have to give this guy some time, eventually that kind of artist will gain traction
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How many of you are going to lightbox this year? I'm going to meet two of my mentors in person and mutuals but I've never been. Is it just all exchanging business cards like trading cards or hoping your studio oneitis graces you with a portfolio review if you already don't have a "network in"?
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>>2039899nayrt but considering the amount of resources available for artists who use CSP or blender it’s very easy to set up a 3DCG model to draw over. I found a model for that guitar in like two minutes on the CSP assets website
No. 2039935
>>2039929This feels like a selfpost or some kinda shill for a friend IMO, why are you going back and forth from
>they should draw more to
>artists don’t post everything they draw No. 2039940
>>2039928Isnt the idea of shortcuts to make things faster? why would she need to do that when she doesnt post much to begin with.
>>2039935>selfpostkek i wish. I just think her style is pretty, thats it. I personally dont have social media and i draw only for myself. I am not a zoomer so i can draw without someone dangling internet attention in front of me.
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>>2039929Not necessarily. Maybe she just doesn't post everything. Some of the 3d model dependant artists I know post once every few months and it's because they don't like drawing that much. But a lot of artists use them in more or less obvious ways, I doubt you only follow one artist who does. It's a normal tool.
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So many art 'tutorials' are like this. They can be helpful as a supplement, but an overeliance on them hurts beginners more than it helps them.
No. 2040663
>>2039944I use 3D models and post like once a month or so because I work a day job and don't have much time to draw for myself, but also because I don't post every scribble I've worked on. 3D models are a very convenient tool for figuring out the composition before you start investing time into the piece but just tracing over them will always look shitty and rotoscoped like the other anon said, you're supposed to use them as a reference.
>>2039946It's just the crab bucket mentality, their pride doesn't let them use the shortcuts everyone else is adapting because it's "cheating" so they just seethe at them instead. When digital art started becoming a thing people were calling that cheating too as it's "easier" than traditional painting. And with digital art I remember some people were calling layers "cheating" because you were supposed to get everything right on one layer like in mspaint just like god intended.
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>>2039441>and you believed him?I just said what he told the class, no need to make assumptions about what I think. I also just remembered that NMA's models included some guys like Rajiv but he's def not attractive in the femgaze sense
No. 2040820
>>2039944>>2039946>>2040663The main issue with using 3D models is just that beginner artists will use it without understanding the fundamentals. It’s no issue when an experienced artist does it like so
>>2039944 because you can still see how they’ve honed their craft and that using 3D isn’t a crutch unlike with a beginner.
I remember when the same argument happened on twitter involving SVVART, one of her defenders also used 3D but the art looked like it had broken anatomy.
No. 2040871
>>2040861something something 'you're only a real artist if you can draw like the old masters entirely freehand without tracing off filthy digital tools to speed things up' something. they'll claim i'm exaggerating but we all know it's their mindset.
i also lol at people complaining about artists using 3d models for objects. i don't remember which thread it was anymore bc it has been a while now but i have vivid memories of nonas complaining about some art that was typical anime girl holding a big gun and while the art itself was fine and very well rendered (it wasn't even coomerish) people started shitting on the fact that the gun was a 3d model or traced from one. fucking lmao.
No. 2040886
>>2040871It's such a dumb mindset, and is nothing new either- the camera obscura was also a debated drawing tool as it was seen as 'cheating' kek.
3D, either cgi or a physical maquette, is such a useful tool when you're trying to do anything more complicated (especially on a time crunch), be it in structure or just lighting and anons should try using it as a reference first before slagging off on other artists who do (especially ones who clearly didn't just trace the 3D and call it a day). I am a bit biased though as I do both 2D and 3D art kek
No. 2041340
>>2041038I'm not the other nonna, but the guitar looks like a 3d model because it has more detail and way more realistic rendering than the girl. To me it looks slightly funny because it reminds me of those old cartoons where you could tell which background element the characters were going to interact with because it was drawn slightly different, even if it still looks good.
>If you spent hours on a piece and someone accused you of tracing 3D models wouldnt you get mad too?If I thought 3D models were cheating and only used by lazy people that can't draw, yes I would.
>>2039996 No. 2041618
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I'm mostly a traditional artist, but I want to get back to digital. I have an old tablet like picrel, so it takes some time getting used to it.
Does anyone have any ideas or tips on something I can make myself consistently do to get used to it? Like a little challenge or if anyone who has good video tutorials?
No. 2042562
>>2042145… anon please tell me you're working in a well-ventilated room while using even odourless turps (and keeping its lid on, of course). It's safer/less-noxious than the regular stuff but you can also feel unwell from it precisely because it's not as noticeable and you might not realise how much you're inhaling.
If you are in a well-ventilated room etc though, maybe try using another, less-
toxic solvent? Or you can be me and wear a respirator lol (I work with lacquers and resin a lot, not oils).
No. 2043713
>>2042532Don't. They're there because digital art needs them. Digital coloring works very different from traditional coloring because digital colors work on a different coloring system and thus they don't blend the same as traditional paint would. It's really hard to get proper vibrant colors on a digital color system without adjustments, that's why a breathtaking scenery in front of you will look dulled and toned down in a photograph unless you adjust it in post.
>>2042145Switch to linseed oil or walnut oil instead of turpentine. They're non-
toxic and much more pleasant to work with.
No. 2043797
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Nonas who go to conventions/art markets etc, what kind of items do you buy? What do you wish they had, what do you never buy? Do you buy fanart or personal art more?
I like to buy smaller prints and stickers. I don't trust myself to not ruin a big print before getting home so I rarely buy those. I want to buy things to use them so I wish there was a bigger varity of items, I only need so many keychains and pins and I find them hard to display as art in a non-tacky way. I'd rather die than buy anything pride-flag or pronoun related no matter how cute the art is. I prefer personal art over fanart, unless it's for my absolute long time favorite game/show.
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>>2043797i used to love them but i feel like i'm too old for them even at my tender age. haven't gone in a while. 50% of the tables were just anime posters for the flavour of the month anime, 40% were badly drawn kawaii shit and gendershit. i just walked right past all of those, there were a couple of gems and some cool comic artists though. only thing i can justify buying is zines and comics, the pins are always so tacky even if the art is good.
it was similar case when i visited artist alleys in russia, BUT there was a greater variety of artists, you could see some genuinely skilled and beautiful art, i actually had fun looking around. had to stop myself from commissioning half of them for sketches there and then lol.
No. 2043853
>>2042969I pretty much started art because of my OCs as a kid, because writing about them just wasn't enough apparently kek. I use them as subjects and motivation for studying art to this day, though I haven't posted anything to do with them or the projects they belong to in years.
What's your OC like anon?
No. 2043881
>>2043797Tbh, when it comes to merch, conventions are boring because even though anime is watched by many, consooming isn't something that happens so often over here because anime stuff is really expensive, the shipping is insane, it's not worth buying even in bulk to sell here, only a few people buy stuff to sell at cons, and it's always the popular anime of the season and maybe genshin impact, which, yay for me, but not that much in the end.
Even if you're a weeb at an anime con you're kind of discouraged to buy stuff, the moment you're 12 years old you're too old to watch anime kek, so even the vendors look at you like you're the biggest disappointment ever.
Artist alleys on anime conventions here are depressing because making a business here is also a pain in the ass and most people don't have disposable income to buy art, they just use it for other stuff like clothes, you will never see those super cute stands in all pink with creative stuff, it's always the same 6 stands of people selling even more flavor of the month animu fanart, which is mostly stickers, posters and small prints.
I have a friend that will give away free zines because she knows that even though her art is amazing (she kind of hates her own art, I love her art) she knows that no one will want to spend even a dollar on original art, it's just not appreciated.
No. 2043886
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>>2043797cons are so boring, it's al ''anime of the week'' over-rendered trash. I would kill to experience those japanese cons that have artists selling merch of bizzare and niche stuff like billy and mandy, or cute oc stuff.
No. 2043954
>>2043797good quality stuff intersectioning with stuff I like is extremely rare in my country (Brazil) I go to a lot of events, and the type of stuff I buy depends on the event I'm going. I prefer buying original art rather than fanart. I usually just buy prints and stickers, I used to buy pins but the price went by 3-5x lately, and I don't have anywhere to put them so kek. I really like buying stuff from artists I like, the type of cons I go are the usual anime/nerd con, artistic/indie comic con and japanese culture con. The last two usually host more artists that will sell original art. Anime cons here have a lot of ugly generic anime of the year art, and indie comic cons are full of cringe gender shit aimed to teenagers that were groomed on discord. I'm 29, engaged to be married and own my own apartment, and the walls of my bedroom and wardobe are full of art prints and stickers I bought in cons in the last 5 years. I don't care, I embraced the cringe, it makes me happy.
No. 2044020
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>>2043797I only really buy from the people selling imported merch from Japan because 90% of fan merch where I live looks like picrel
No. 2044322
>>2043797I used to buy a lot of sketchbooks from established artists at comic cons because it was a good way to study, but it's pretty easy to be "done" with that after a while. I've never really shopped anime con artist alleys because I'm like the other anon where I'm selling and/or a majority of the art is generic/fotm as others have said. Anything non-sketchbook I've bought in the past was either original art or extremely good takes for a favorite IP that I expected little to no official merch to be made along the same vein. Along those lines, I find it fucking wild to see how many artists are doing shit like sanrio fanart.
And aside from the whole jury issue, it's also now riskier to do a lot of shows in burgerland because making back the table without chibis or fotm fanart's harder with rising costs. The only artists I've seen make it big on original work have big online followings, styles that are cutesy generic or they hitch a ride on other trends that are going on at exactly the right time (frogs, mushrooms, etc).
No. 2044540
>>2043806I love the artist in your pic, I wish I could buy some of her art and be sure it won't get damaged when it arrives.
>>2044049ntayrt but that's sad to hear. These used to seem like cool places for small artists. I was never into chibis and anime art that much and as I got older they don't appeal to me at all.
No. 2044881
>>2044049I feel blessed that the local big anime con doesn't prejudge artists. They have a small section of about 10-15 invited bigger artists, while the rest just goes to the first buyer to make it fair to everyone. It means sometimes a shitty newbie gets in but they quickly learn their place and don't apply again until their art is better, and varity has been pretty good when it comes to art styles. Tbh as a weeb I wish there was more high quality anime art there, it's leaning a bit too far on the western cartoon side for me (you know the specific western cartoonime mix that is all over tumblr).
My absolute favorite to thing to buy are zines/comics/manga/books (which are usually rare). I don't even mind the ugly tumblr style if they have a good story kek
No. 2044883
>>2043881Where do you live nonna? That sounds like a nightmare.
>>2044507All the merch I find is either clearly imported from Aliexpress and sold at a huge markup or absolutely terrible, I'm so jelly of your cool finds nonna. I've given up on cons at this point.
No. 2045110
>>2045016NAYRT, but if I were on a judging panel, I'd do the exact same for genshit/hoyoverse bullshit. One or two artists is enough, we don't need it to be hoyo alley. The last con I went to was disappointing because every other table was just that. Not a single attendee looking to shop in artist alley would miss yet another genshin/generic'froggy/mushroom' artist. Artists pumping out fotm anime should be limited in number and then the rest should be artists selling majority quality original work and maybe 10% fan art.
I wished that were a standard across the board. Maybe it'd teach dumb bitches to stop dropping hundreds on fotm uninspired charms/pronoun merch that won't move anyway. I sound harsh but I'm sick of the con scene showcasing the same shit year in and year out. I'm also on the verge of giving up even just attending.
No. 2045113
>>2045016AYRT, this is how I argue it too because it's true, but sometimes they drop the pronoun pins and pride flag charms from their portfolios to seem more unique but still put them up for sale at their table because it's easy income.
>>2045110I get what you're saying and believe me, it's annoying to even the judges that everyone's cranking out identical wares, but when around 90% of
all of the applicants are only selling Anime Of The Month fanart and pronoun pins there isn't a lot you can do for quality control. Slim pickings for original works especially, most of those artists get their income from industry freelancing and commission work, not from artist alleys at anime conventions.
No. 2045682
>>2044883Venezuela, I think it's a blessing in disguise kek, I have shit money management skills so I know I would end up buying a bunch of stuff.
What I really consider to be very sad it's how my friends can't even imagine selling their art because it's just imposible to do that. Sometimes I pity buy stuff though, maybe someone else does the same and that's why there's at least 5 or even 7 artist exclusive tables at every con.
No. 2046171
>>2044888You must be an outlier nona, because anime cons are filled to the brim with the same stuff everywhere. I never see small hobby artists in AA anymore, like from the early 2010s. It would be helpful if AA judges put up a checklist of things they were looking for (table display, shop, merch, originals/fanart) so at least applicants could understand why they were rejected and fix their portfolio for next time. Even you saying you reject people with a bunch of fotm anime charms and pronoun pins is sending mixed signals, because an outsider looking in sees that there are plenty of artists who do exactly that and get in, so what gets you into a con these days? I see artists with years of con experience and unique products get rejected. More often than not, the people who consistently get in are either popular or have generic styles. Again, if cons were more straightforward with what they really wanted, it would be fine. Applicants are throwing darts at an invisible board.
No. 2046654
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is it cute? sure. also borderline unreadable and full of tangents
No. 2046671
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>>2045142First you have to look at photos of kids. The one big, BIG thing you need to remember with children is that, unlike adults, they are NOT self-conscious at all. When kids pose for photos, it looks stiff, formal, etc. and loses all the spontaneity that children have. So your art should capture that perfectly. Don't draw kids "posing" because it will just look fake and boring. Have them doing something natural. Secondly, you have to remember that children's proportions are not only bigger head + bigger eyes. They also have chubbier hands and feet, with less prominent wrists and ankles. Kids usually still have baby fat.
No. 2046688
>>2046654I can see what she's trying to do, but if she hadn't posted the original pic I would barely understand what's going on in the new piece.
I she remember she got posted some threads back as well
No. 2047164
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>>2046654i think the direct comparison makes it look worse than it actually is. In isolation, her new style is way more appealing, interesting, and stands out compared to the majority of social media artists. Although the tangent thing is a fair critique, seems like a difficult style to find the right balance, and she will improve with practice and time. But as with all artists, sometimes you make good stuff, sometimes not so good stuff. But in general the new style is a straight up improvement, no doubt about that.
No. 2047240
>>2047234>The only people I've seen complaining were people like me saying they'll miss out on interesting tweets and accounts now,I've seen nothing but post along the lines of "this will hurt me as a marginalized oppressed person, evil musk bad" posts. Most platforms don't allow you to see others likes, or they allow the user to toggle and hide them. The only weird think is it took them this long to implement it.
I think creeping through likes is weird, the odd person like you who go through them for art is far from the norm. For now you can still go through retweets + who they follow and find artists that way so I still don't think much changed?
No. 2047322
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I always find it hilarious how whenever they write an "us vs those icky normie girls" scenario, people in the comments literally do not care and root for both parties.
No. 2047359
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>>2047164It's got that sanitized globo-homo look that people talk about on here. I think it would look nicer if she leaned into more organic geometricism of art nouveau or something.
No. 2047369
>>2047259That's happening with everything on twitter for some reason. You can also only see a few hundred posts on someone's profile or media tab. Old posts are basically lost if you don't have them bookmarked since the search function seems to have been completely fucked by the url switch or something.
>>2047220It's just people panicking because of the slightest change kek posts that get a lot of engagement will still get pushed by the algorithm so there's no difference. I hope it does lead to more retweeting though, the 1:100 ratio I've been experiencing is crazy. The only twitter accounts I had that grew quickly were those for fanart of somewhat niche asian games because those communities tend to retweet basically everything and make "lrt" posts instead of commenting directly.
No. 2047649
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>>2047474They're both ftm though
No. 2047651
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I want to try my hand at watercolors but i want some inspo in rendering, do nonnas have any fav watercolorist? i dont really know much watercolorist except kevin wada or dovegraveyard, but it doesnt have to be necesesarily that "realistic"
No. 2047704
>>2047164lc is so allergic to 99% of art styles for existing, kek. I'm sure they'd find something to pick about if it was just the first pic in
>>2046654.
No. 2047734
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Any other nonnies going to participate in Art Fight? I know it's cringey but there are some really cool ocs/artists that do it. Anyone interested in a hashtag or something so we can find each other?
No. 2047761
>>2047757No, it's for any kind of oc. It's basically just art trades for a month that you can reciprocate if you want.
>>2047756Any suggestions?
No. 2048034
>>2048033what kind of stuff do you like
nonny? i get you. I mostly like artists who focus on backgrounds and anatomy and those arent the ones that often get shilled by the algorithm
No. 2048038
>>2048016mutuals like eachother's art and i give them a follow to basically save the profiles of people i really like and it "boosts" them so that's my reasoning. it's not like i never scroll through my timeline kek i just prefer not to, i'm used to using the website this way. sometimes people's accounts are just archives of their own art and nothing else, which is often the case ime with the types of artists i enjoy, so the liked tab serves the purpose of showing me what my fav likes/is directly inspired by without them retweeting anything. also what
>>2048018 said, twitter doesn't allow you to see full following lists anymore and often times when someone is a serial deleter or gets suspended often, going through their mutual's likes is a good way to find them again because it doesn't always get announced.
but tbh i know i'm an outlier using the website abnormally kek
No. 2048039
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>>2048038now i am worried my favourite schizo artist is going to delete and i wont be able to find them again, ugh fuck elon and his retarded changes
No. 2048074
>>2048034Old videogames, old (60s-70s) anime, westaboo
art, classic literature, stuff were you're lucky
to find 5 or so new pictures in a YEAR. And if you liked a side character from an already obscure piece of media? Yeah good luck with that.
No. 2048196
>>2048002A big thing about this challenge is to remember what your suppose to learn from this. Too many people just try to rush through it to reach the designated number of boxes to say they did it and gain nothing but some carpal tunnel and a bunch of poorly drawn boxes.
The point of Drawabox is to understand how to draw a 3d box from various angles. The reason for this is that all things you could ever think of drawing can be placed in box so if you can draw a convincing box from any angle, it becomes a little easier to place a different object in said box and draw that object from varying angles as well. You have to take your time and pay attention to each box being correctly drawn.
No. 2048409
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>>2048405She claims he's "genderfluid".
No. 2048499
>>2048455I'm having a bit of a hard time making sense of what you've written but I get the gist I think. It is extemely hard to get in, and even pros atm are having a hard time finding work due to the state of the industry and the economy. There are certainly ppl who are too loud on socmed and hurting their chances, and ppl who aren't effectively networking, but there are also many capable ppl doing all the right things but still struggling in these times. TBH, I think biggest gatekeeper is indeed skill level, so for ppl with the skills who are still having difficulty finding work, I can empathise. And for most ppl who are doing everything right and still not making it, the only thing left to do is get better. What I do think we need more of is community support, friends, family and peers, so we can vent our frustrations to ppl who care, instead of using socmed for that.
No. 2048889
>>2047813Yeah unfortunately the broken search system is the only way to look through artists and ocs iirc, that's why I was hoping we could make a tag or something,
>>2047832pastures would work, I think. It's not being used for anything rn.
No. 2049026
>>2048428In this case I think it's just because this character used to a fan headcannon femboy version of a male jojo character that she shipped with Jotaro, but then she slowly realized she actually wanted to do an extremely standard high school girly prep girl x brooding semi-jock and this is just a result of the extremely awkward very gradual transition. Maybe by next year this character will be literally just a normal girl. The artist will probably still hang on to some sort of gendie label for the sake of optics, but it will be some extremely inconsequential fake stuff, like making the character a she/they or "any pronouns" while using only female pronouns when writting about her.
The Jotaro OC will probably stay as a TIF though, because she has even drawn him with chest scars so it would look worse to untrans him.
>>2048096I've seen this posted on multiple threads and I think nonnas are overreacting to her
getting this mad about her being an "attention whore" is a bit spergy, honestly, but adding those stereotypical "ZOMG I'm yelling and zooming around because that's ADHD for you teeheehee so hyperactive!!!" drawings in the back when she built her whole internet presence on being shy and awkward is kek.
No. 2049482
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Gonna get flamed for this but tbh Amano’s works aren’t that good. Sure he has a few great pieces and uses color composition well, but most of his art is very sketchy and feels unfinished. Don’t know why every they/he on Twitter wants to be him kek.
No. 2049717
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I've come to the conclusion that I'm just going to draw coomery men and women. I know it's better to draw a wide range of bodies but I just can't help but draw women with things I don't have. And I don't have hips or an ass, or long slender legs. I do want to learn to draw obese people though because I like curves. Pic rel is a woman with an interesting body shape to me that would be fun to draw.
No. 2049723
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>>2049717I cant bring myself to draw coomery women, they are so boring to me. I do like drawing sexy coomery men though, but i enjoy my women to look realistic and cool. I wish there were more picture packs with women that have interesting bodies, most of them look like generic sluts. Pic rel is my favourite reference pack ever. If it were for me i would draw nothing but roid stacies and himbos.
No. 2049771
>>2049766There are many Filipino and ASEAN artists in general
That’s the brain of someone too consumed by ideology made up by 15 year olds on tumblr
Embarrassing
I’m in the opposite boat where i get really jealous when i see other artists from my country idk why especially if they’re drawing similar to my art and not fine art yes imm aware that’s mental illness
No. 2049990
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>>2047164She obviously has lots of Nouveau inspiration, maybe not in picrel, but it’s an interesting style for the type of audience she has.
It still feels weirdly business-corporate or “globohomo”. It feels like belongs to branding I’d expect from a white owned boba shop or any east asian inspired place.
Is she trying to pivot into branding?
No. 2049993
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>>2049990For some pieces it can be hard to read the pose
No. 2050007
>>2049993I know what she's going for, and I think it's an interesting cute idea, but I don't know why she goes so hard on the forced tangents, they look so bad and make everything so hard to read.
>>2049990I can't tell what the hell is going on with the goose's back foot
No. 2050016
>>2049993As well as what other anons have pointed out, I think she needs to work on her poses more/understanding the pose in the ref she's chosen more. She's completely missed the way the original's twisting and angling, and the way she's conveyed the hair cutting too far into the torso doesn't help either. It fails to capture the flow of the original and makes the anatomy more confusing/off (thought the bust was actually the shoulder at first glance, for example). Changing the values on the guitar slightly would also help, it looks like she couldn't decide how far forward in the foreground it is or if it's at an angle or something. Also seems like she's avoiding covering up more of the face even when she probably should with the arm, which is something a lot of artists do tbh
(I do think it's a cute style for more graphical art or merch though, just think there's more polish needed)
No. 2050149
>>2049772iirc she was american
>>2049815>I think age has to do with it. If you grew up during the 90s and early 2000s art was "faceless"That's kinda sad to think about, before anyone could do popular art but now you kinda have to be young and pretty to make it
No. 2050177
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it finally happened to me anons. just received an anonymous tumblr msg asking me to take down an art i've drawn because it made them uncomfortable since i made the character look too much like a child. i can't help that i can only draw in chibi style. but i decided to delete it anyway. don't want to cause further drama. i'm definitely fully migrating to pixiv. can't draw anything too risque in chibi style anymore nowadays in the western side of the fandom since you will be hunt down by the prude patrols.
No. 2050201
>>2050181i mean i could. but like i said. i don't want to cause further drama or "witch hunt". tbf i should've known that this is what i'll get for being in a fotm shonen anime fandom full of normies. kek
>>2050182yea you're right anon. next time i'll try not to panic and delete.
>>2050188cuz some fans in a fandom can turn ugly and vindictive? i kinda get why most japanese artists disappear and delete their art account. it's too much hassle.
No. 2050205
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I think my problem is generally that I hate being perceived. I'm an artist that a lot would consider skilled, but it doesn't matter where I choose to post if if I'm simultaneously stuck in this place of wanting to be recognized but not wanting to be seen. What am I so scared of? It's just schizo thought patterns
No. 2050842
>>2050218on tumblr? never. that site is dead to me. on other sites? yes. heh
>>2050335because i'm just a nobody hobby artist who just wants to fandom sperg in peace. i just want to dump my sexy animu chibi arts somewhere without getting piled on by annoying (i assume, young) westoid fans. god wish i was as powerful as yana toboso. she's living the dream. hope the new season of black butler anime won't be ruined by the puriteens.
No. 2050900
>>2050849nah anon. im just a coward. i don't pick fights on the internet. it's too troublesome. it's my first time getting such msgs. didn't think a small artist like me would get such msgs. so i panic and delete. next time i will act more like a moid coomer artist and ignore all msgs.
>>2050857true anon. dang, that sucks being a called a pedo. i would feel sad. but i'm glad you stood up for yourself and ignore the haters. your an inspo. also, just want to ask, doesn't some site allow ppl to report your art and it will get taken down by the site? in that situation, would you repost the art back up?
>>2050888sorry, did i use the word wrongly? im esl. so i might have used it wrongly.
No. 2051143
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I'm so fucking tired of this thing already. I can't stand artists being so retarded on twitter anymore. Yeah we get it you don't like the new update, get off twitter then since it's been shit for a while anyway, and it's not like you can't see who liked your posts. Now if you go on some artists' pages in the media tab it's all full of pictures of yeahs.
No. 2051158
>>2051143I found it funny at first, but starting the 4th replies section filled with them got bothersome. Nowadays I just go to quotes since the replies are filled with bots, but now even small tweets are filled with the Yeah! spam. I wish they could write an actual reply along with the image at least.
To be honest that is what has been happening with memes nowadays, they're everywhere for 3 days and get stale super fast due it.
No. 2051165
>>2050201Girl Tumblr is hold with duct tape, if they're annoying just say you didn't get the ask(s), 8/10 times that excuse is actually true kek Tumblr loves eating asks, it has been an issue since its conception.
That aside, 90% of callouts go nowhere (specially on Tumblr) trust me, its best to ignore. People may make a fuss about at firsr it but barely anyone will unfollow and most people will forget it in 2 days and/or the second you make a great piece they want to RB. Been on Tubmlr since 2011, had multiple callouts (both for my art and
terf crimes) and people are still here, it's all performative.
Unless you run an online business, don't give a fuck about what other think. Most of the impactful callouts are actual serious ones (abuse, racism etc.) and on Twitter, and even them people forget about them soon, no one is gonna dox you because you drew a chibi riding a dildo on Tumblr, don't worry. People have more common sense than you think.
No. 2051275
>>2050329She forgot the organic part of art nouveau design.
>>2050919That reminds me of an anonymousJapanese artist who took his/her art down because it was a stylish design of Native Americans. The artist was respectful but drew the characters like superheroes or models. It wasn’t cultural appropriation but he/she got bullied thanks to SJW and deleted the work.
No. 2051430
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I have a lot of mixed feelings on Betty Jiang. She seems like one of those genuinely skilled artists who’ve been duped by the industry into creating soulless AI fodder Artstation concept art. Her weird thirst traps made me lose respect for her…
No. 2051661
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>>2051143It's genuinely the worst trend I've seen in a while, it makes no sense either since as likes in Miiverse didn't clutter your feed and you could hide them. It's using Nintendo nostalgia not understanding how it worked.
No. 2051822
>>2051661I don’t have twitter and don’t understand what the graphic means. Are they trying to find other artists since likes are gone now?
>>2051446Thanks anon. I thought she DFE’d all her work and left for good. It’s always liberal white women who get upset too, especially online. It gives them a pet project to “complain” about others aka makes them feel special for bullying.
No. 2052507
>>2051143this hidden likes thing is such a nothingburger. My metric have been better since its launch, as my account is seen as
suspicious by trannies, and now people feel more free to like my stuff.
No. 2052737
>>2052663>if my art was truly "good", they'd stay regardless of what I draw. It doesn't work like that. Most people follow expecting one thing, and if you change it they get dissapointed and leave. Remember that these people also have emotional attachment to the series/characters and that plays a huge role on their decission to follow, they want to see cool art of [character they love], not cool art of random stuff.
To make a dumb analogy of the situation, imagine your local ice cream shop re-brands into a pizzeria. Even if the pizza is good people who went there to buy ice cream will stop visiting it, though there may be some people who keep going because they like pizza as well.
I think your reasoning only applies to people who draw original art, because most followers come due to the art style rather than for the subject itself.
In truth, if you draw fanart people will come because they want to see art of their favorite series. When you change the fandom it's normal a good chunk of people will leave because they get tired of seeing characters they don't care about on their timeline, others will stay in hopes you return "to your roots" and a few will stay because they like the new subjects or simply because they enjoy your style.
No. 2052852
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>>2052663Why the fuck do all "artists" nowadays give a flying fuck about followers and social media and shit? Holy christ, you guys need to stop thinking that social media is the be all, end all.
No. 2053831
>>2052737This is exactly why I don't rely on fanart at all and only focus on originals, the fanbase is much, much smaller and less intense but they stick to your content and give you genuine feeling of accomplishment for having people invested in something you created from scratch. And above all, it's more motivating to be able to create whatever you want instead of chasing the current popular thing endlessly, especially in our day and age where the popular thing lasts only for a few months compared to few years.
>>2052852I think a lot of artists ITT are pretty young and only have their peers equally obsessed with fanart and follower counts for comparison.
No. 2053964
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This artist came up on my ig feed and I thought the recommended post was cool so I checked their account out and I can't help but have a suspicion that they're using AI and running it through a pixel filter. The components of their artwork tend to blend/melt into one another, their eyes are always uneven and the form of certain things straight up don't make sense, like the background of the cat drawing- it looks like it's sitting in a basket but the basket ends at its side and extends off as a rod. All the wips that they post just look like regular pixelated art that's been through more exposure, they don't show any understanding of form or coloring, and the process videos that they record are always zoomed in to the max. Besides, they almost always only does headshots, and their backgrounds are always a jumbled mess that barely makes sense. There's another art where barbed wire and fencing is in the background, and it looks really illogical. Their user is sakurablossompxl. I'm gonna feel really bad if they don't actually use AI and their art just looks like that lol
No. 2054017
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It's been talked about before but I can't help but feel jealous over younger people having all these ressources nowadays. If this artist is actually 18 like she says then she's been able to draw digitally since she was 9 years old while I got my first tablet at 17. Asian artists also have the added advantage of being surrounded with pleasing artwork to reference while I was copying tumblrslop in my youth which I had to force myself to unlearn. It doesn't actually matter because I know I'll still have decades but I wish I could've had a cleaner start, most of my early drawings are so hideous looking back when they could've not been.
No. 2054034
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>>2053964Kekkk the guys Q& A highlight is hilarious
No. 2054044
File: 1718718633947.png (72.46 KB, 1280x640, skurblssm.png)
>>2053964I don't like accusing people, but it's a little suspicious. Her Q&A on ig has some red flags. Saying she has no references, and that her sketches are too abstract, she never posts a single sketch or progress that isn't zoomed in of an already finished piece and claims she won't post a speedpaint because "no one is interested in them". I guess all of these can be true, but it's just weird. I messed around with the DeviantArt AI and got a bunch of boys with uneven eyes and crying ink just like her art. Her deviantart banner has a link to a pixilart account called skurblssm, though it's deleted you can see some old art with her signature and it's so wildly different from what she does now and those look even more like AI imo. I hope she posts a proper process from start to finish, not only to prove the suspicious wrong, but at the odd chance she isn't using AI, I'm genuinely curious about how it is.
No. 2054279
>>2054044>claims she won't post a speedpaint because "no one is interested in them".That's retarded and
sus. Did someone ask? If so they're clearly interested. If they didn't ask that's an odd thing to bring up by yourself, as if they anticipated getting asked why they don't post things that prove the art isn't AI…
No. 2054288
>>2054279Lol they're always defending themselves before someone has the chance to question them as you can see in
>>2054034, if that isn't a telltale sign
No. 2054292
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>>2054279Yeah they asked, this is on her Q&A on her ig and I've seen people ask for her process in the comments.
No. 2054304
File: 1718730956290.jpg (1.72 MB, 2000x1442, Elisabetta_Sirani_-_Portia_wou…)
>>2054017Why do you guys keep acting like having access to digital art/digital art tools is a sure-fire way to success? It's not. It never has been and never will be. Christ on a bike we've had how many thousands of years' worth of art being produced by humanity and you guys seem to ignore that. Technology will NEVER replace raw, human skill.
No. 2054350
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>>2053983>the waxing poetic description about all the flaws is also suspicious.Kek she describes everything like this too, someone asked about her backgrounds and this was her reply
No. 2054402
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>>2054362I think she's ESL, but I can't confirm. Just the way she writes stuff is really weird.
>>2054365I agree, the more I look into it, the more obvious it seems, I found this pixeljoint account created in August of 2023, the pixel art in that gallery is much closer to
>>2054044, and again, it looks very ai generated. If those are hers, then she changed her art style drastically in just 3 months.
No. 2054466
File: 1718735960271.png (69.44 KB, 932x657, pixeljoint.png)
>>2054402>Revision NeededPixeljoint has a relatively higher curation than other websites (partly because the rate of submissions is low because true pixel art is a niche). Revisions can be given to noisy pixel art that looks like it just got a filter over it and not cleaned/curated enough to compare to actual pixel art. Pic rel is just a sample of someone receiving a similar review. Nothing concrete but the fact that this person has had messy pixels since last year and the AI-looking artwork now is suspect.
No. 2054507
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>>2054466That's interesting because she posted this very small screenshot of one of her works on aseprite software and I thought there was an excessive amount of colors on the left, but I don't know enough about pixel art to know if that's normal or not.
No. 2054529
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>>2054507And someone asked her about the palette and this was her reply, I'm tinfoiling, but it sounds like she has no idea what's she's talking about or maybe her English is really broken and it's translated really weirdly. I had fun looking for her replies in her posts because they are always so funny and extra.
No. 2054622
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When drawing, do you like to draw big or small? Do you like bigger or smaller canvases? If you make like a figure or something, what size do they turn out?
No. 2054881
File: 1718750317296.jpg (Spoiler Image,239.93 KB, 2048x2048, Roku6enashi-126279938093701120…)
>>2054868this dude who is amazing at painting but uses his skill to draw buff bara men and thanos taking dicking from all the avengers while wearing a leopard thong
No. 2054930
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Do you think artists will stop being terrified of the morality mobs?
>>2052663This will always feel like a back and forth decision. It’s always been something artists felt insecure about since tumblr’s peak
>>2052737I agree with everything you said except for people staying for the sake of an art style. If you dramatically changed your subject art even from something as basic as fantasy to sci fi you’ll lose sole of your crowd that came specifically for fantasy.
No. 2054939
>>2054507With a name like Sakura blossom and the way she talks she comes off a redditor at times.
Reminds me too much of the girls in nlog emo communities tbh “oh woe is me no one gets my twisted and dark mind!” It’s kind of nostalgic
No. 2055012
>>2054507Sorry to samefag, but I have to add, pixel artists use
very limited palettes in most cases. When you go to Lospec for instance, most palettes have between 4 and 12 colors. More than that is excessive. When you're learning pixel art one of the first things you learn is how to limit your palette.
No. 2055057
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>>2053964I started looking into her out of curiosity and stayed for her posts. She's the kind of cow I find the most amusing. I'm pretty convinced she's using AI by how defensive she is and the lack of process videos besides those zoomed-in short videos, the sudden shift of style, and the visual cues in her past and present art, but I don't even care about it now. Her ramblings are so funny, she tries so hard to sound deep and different. It could be a language barrier, but I don't think it's just that.
>I used to do pixel art until my father unironically called me several slurs then proceeded to throw out my laptop after I showed him my art>The classic path of the pixel artist, it's a rite of passage into the craftKEKKK come on. I don't know shit about this girl, but the tryhard answers are killing me. I'll leave this compilation for you all because some made me chuckle and others showed her being overly defensive.
>>2054939Spot on, that's exactly how she looks too.
No. 2055072
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>>2054507No, it's not normal. When you do pixel art you usually have a limited palette of colors. This idiot posted her palette and, thus, outed herself as a massive cheater. The whole point of pixel art is the limited palette. You use certain tricks (like stippling, half-tones, etc.) to give the
illusion of a larger palette. That's because pixel art was often limited by hardware, so you had a "budget" of which colors you could use. You would never have 50 different shades of a highlight color on a face, that's just ridiculous. She's using AI and lying about it. Wish I had an IG so I could call her out
No. 2056771
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>>2055734AYRT, goddamn right.
No. 2056775
>>2056771I can’t find the artist. Who is this?
Re: digital, I agree. Stronger digital artists are always going to be traditional artists first. It makes me laugh to see digital artist suddenly pivoting to traditional and act like they can ink and paint.
No. 2056964
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>>2055734there have been some great paintings over the ages, but
>>2054304 isn't even that good. Intricate detail and polished rendering does not mean it is masterful. There are plenty of modern day digital masters, and the modern day abstraction through digital art is it's own aesthetic and a form of mastery over painting. Pic related
>>2056771this is nice tho, no doubt
No. 2057000
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>>2056964AYRT well I guess the well-informed masses have spoken, lol. Also I don't really buy the "a form of mastery over painting". I used to, but not anymore. I went to Barcelona last year and got to see paintings like picrel in real life. Photographs don't do them justice; they're
dazzling in real life. The amount of detail in them is incredible, and it's just layers of old paint on canvas or wood! They hold a viewer's eye BECAUSE they're not digital, because they're physical and tangible and made of real materials. To me, that's much more impressive than the biggest 50 terabyte-sized painting could ever be.
No. 2057011
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>>2056988The term moid is derogatory and is indicative of an individuals prejudice. I see these kind of interactions on ic where users attack other ppl instead of attacking an arguement or providing any meaningful discussion.
It would be akin to my responding to
>>2054304 with: wtf is this ugly bitch doing in this painting, it would be miles better without her.
No attempt at thoughtful discussion is made, no nuance. It's a blanket statement which is based on a personal prejudice rather than a thoughtful analysis backed with reasonable evidence and opinion.
I see more nuanced discussion here than ic, and prefer seeing more positivity and constructive criticism.
>>2056981This is official artwork for destiny
>>2056978it wouldn't be better as a landscape since this was an artwork for a client where the man is featured as a story element. If you think there could be improvements made to the painting to better depict the story of destiny please elaborate.
>>2057000fair point, if you think large physical paintings are the highest form of art due to your personal experience, by all means. But you are making a value judgement on the medium rather than the skill of artists. Imo there are many artists doing both traditional and digital art these days. Pic related
What are your thoughts on animation? Animation is a form of art, and both traditional and digital animation is made for the same viewing experience, in a theatre, or on a screen. Do you hold the same thoughts on trad vs digi for animation? How about film shot on film, vs digitally?
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>>2057011>The term moid is derogatory and is indicative of an individuals prejudiceOK troon
No. 2057032
>>2057021>>2057019>>2057017It seems I've riled up many users here so I'll keep these thoughts to myself in the future and won't engage with thoughtless comments like these.
>>2057015I've been on the board a while and have had many productive discussions, maybe we've even agreed on something in the past. Not sure why everyone is worked up over this, or thinks I'm new here.
I won't be replying to any personal attacks after this, but I'm happy to contiunue discussing art.
No. 2057036
>>2057032you are waxing poetic over how concept art for a soulless AAA game is somehow ''better'' than a masterpiece done in traditional and that hangs in a museum. I dont know why you expect anyone to want to talk about with art with you when it's clear you don't know what you are talking about. The ugly artstation garbage made with 30 million textured brushes you posted is nowhere near the level of
>>2054304 Seriously, you should try reddit.
No. 2057051
>>2057036>you are waxing poetic over how concept art for a soulless AAA game is somehow ''better'' than a masterpiece done in traditional and that hangs in a museum.That's not what she's saying at all though. How do you get that out of a comment like this:
>But you are making a value judgement on the medium rather than the skill of artistsWhich is just that anon saying that the opinion is subjective. Preferring traditional art over digital is fine, but you can't really say that the artist in question is less skilled than a traditional artist just because the use a different method for creating art.
No. 2057130
>>2057113nta but destiny is one of the few shooters that isn't too hard to find female players in, so it's not weird for one to give a shit about it kek. Anon wasn't even claiming it was high art, just trying to talk about technical skill in digital art and how mastery isn't exclusive to traditional art– hell I think the destiny pic was just included as a demonstrated of the abstracted digital painting aesthetic they had in mind. I think– their typing is a bit stilted.
imo it's not a question of digital or traditional superiority or one being the only source of true masters in art, but rather that, due to changes in values and artistic schools of thought over time, people simply don't create art that 'matches' a lot of classical pieces. We also see more art now than ever, most of which is made by beginners and intermediates on social media, or is production art fit for a purpose like the destiny pic and not something meant to be displayed on a wall as a mark of prestige, so it's easy to think that high skill is missing if all you see is a sea of mediocrity. What classical art remains and is put on display is also usually the cream of the crop, which creates its own skewed perception of the skill level of artists in the past.
No. 2057498
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>>2057228I'm the traditionalfag from earlier and I gotta admit I… really, really love slavic art. I only recently discovered a blog documenting different Eastern Euro illustrators and their work is jaw-dropping. I wish I'd been shown this stuff back in college.
As for your argument, I actually agree with what you said about how not all traditional artists will be good digital artists. It's pretty embarrassing to see a great artist grab the airbrush tool in Photoshop and spray it all over their amazing pencil sketch and make it look like a shitty Web 1.0-type drawing.
However. Digital art can be impressive, but without the foundations of traditional art, it's useless. It's a
tool, as I said before. When artists in the Renaissance discovered oil paint and started painting with it, they knew it was a tool, a new medium, but nobody was stupid enough to just jump into it blindly– they trained under a master, learned how to draw and sketch with ink and charcoal first. They had to crawl before they could walk. But nowadays it seems like everybody is circumventing that and expecting to get immediate results. I don't understand nonas who ask "I wanna get into drawing, what kind of tablet should I buy?" A tablet won't make you into a professional artist. The time and effort you spend learning how to draw traditionally
will.
No. 2057651
>>2054622Draw big. 300 dpi and make sure when you're zooming in to do details, it's only a little over 100% zoom, if you're going beyond, there's a good chance you're not working on a big enough canvas. You never know when you need to print things.
>>2054507Kek adding new colors in aseprite is the absolute worst, it's gonna be annoying to manually place like 30 similar shades. Definitely just imported AI.
No. 2057708
>>2057498Sorry you got slammed with dumb shit upthread nona. I agree with you in that drawing traditionally is the best way to build a solid foundation. The limitless options of a tablet and a digital program is a distraction. "ipad girlies" will bitch and moan about how they can't afford drawing materials but are the first ones shelling out for shitty procreate and an apple pencil. All to draw basic ig pretty girls and generic plant shit. I dunno. That's just how it is. People think art is "more accessible" now but it always has been, it's just that everyone wants to skip to the part where the art gets pretty enough to get clout and market.
These days I can pretty much tell who learned on paper and who learned with a bunch of shortcuts.
No. 2058030
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>>2057051Thank you, you get it. Somehow many users latched on to a strawman argument of AAA and destiny. I don't even know what destiny is, I just like Devin Korwin's work, here's another one. And sorry for the douple reply, was testing if I was still banned.
>>2057096it's ok, thanks for responding thoughtfully. Have you seen The Boy and the Heron? Aniamtion was absolutely beautiful and felt like acontinuation of Miyazaki's commentary on war from The Wind Rises. Disney definitely sucks now but I've enjoyed less mainstream films like Klaus and I Lost My Body over the last decade. Makoto Shinkai's work, whilst with a clean commercial sheen has also be breathtaking, and shows like Ranking of Kings and Arcane keep me excited for the future of animation. Paul Felix's work on Lilo and Stich is legendary.
>>2057130Thank you for explaining my point, I don't actually know anything about destiny, so it's bizarre that do many ppl latched on to this strawman argument. Why do so many ppl hate this game?
I agree whith all that you are saying btw, I think the many great art is being made commercially these days rather than being put in a museum, but some people judge the product rather than the art itself. Children of the Sea has beautiful art but its a crap movie, I still like the art. But I guess no one will care about it in 100 years since it's not in a museum, nor was it commercially successful.
>>2057228Thank you
nonnie. Why should modern artists be lambasted for using their skills to make money from major corporations? Back in the day you either came from a rich family or lived like dirt if you wanted to pursue art. I don't want to get into the negative implications, but mass commercialisation of art has allowed artists to make a living working for corporations, allowing them to make personal art in their own free time. Just look at James Gurney, plein air painting his way into the sunset without a care in the world after a long and illustrious commercial career. The goals and merit of art in these times are so different from even 50 years ago, let alone 500 years, so comparing them is pointless.
>>2057498I agree, I highly recommend artists to build up their foundations. Part of the reason I like Devin and his approach to art. A strong emphasis on studies and fundamentals, something many new artists these days skip over, but can you blame them? It's boring. I spent over a decade doing art before really trying to understand the shading of a ball and honestly got by just fine without it. Once you understand it tho, you realise that fundamentals have always been no. 1.
>>2057708Not sure if you are referring to my comments as "dumb shit", but regarding a traditional foundation I completely agree and never alluded to otherwise. I spent over a decade with traditional art before getting my first tablet when I was 18. I'm glad I didn't grow up with this pinerest girl era in my formative years, cuz I do think it's damaging to the perception of newcomers these days. You're right, everyone wants to take shortcuts. I highly recommend building foundational knowledge and understanding, but there's not reason why this can't be done digitally, but I'd also supplement it with traditional painting, and colour theory it way easier to understand that way.
No. 2058129
>>2058030>Why do so many ppl hate this game?It's weirdly divisive despite not really having anything super egregiously wrong with it, or at least nothing that other similar AAA games don't also do (and sometimes worse), it pretty much always inspires some sort of negative reaction when brought up so don't take it too personally kek. It's aesthetics are pretty pleasant imo, for a shooter, and I find the game to be chill/relaxing in general, but each to their own.
>judge the product rather than the art itselfThis does feel like a growing problem, and when it combines with the whole 'industry artists are sell-outs and don't create True Art' mindset, you get a pretty bitter and ugly view of contemporary art/artists (that also ignores historical artists essentially doing the same thing). Hell, I'd argue in general people are getting worse at separating components from the whole of something, or being able to see how pieces fit together and work without falling back on simplified, biased assumptions of what they're looking at, but that's not really a topic for here kek.
There's so much art and media now and people have shorter attention spans for it that unfortunately, unless it becomes popular as an artistic topic (eg even just the aesthetics of ghibli films, see the myriad gouache painters on youtube), most stuff just won't be remembered, let alone celebrated for its artistic merits (especially if it failed in other areas such as a poor story/gameplay or even simply having bad marketing).
No. 2058921
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>sees amazing femgaze art
>checks following list for similar artists
>mtf porn actors
No. 2058934
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>>2058588It's the "great Russian soul" at work, lol.
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I already said I think Brujo Ari is eventually gonna fully detrans her girly OC into literally just a normal girl but lmao she's practically already doing it and in such a funny obvious way. This one made me kek because of the contrast of how feminine this is and how noticeable the exclusive use of feminine grammar is vs the comments going "wait is they still genderqueer?" and Ari responding "yes, he's still genderqueer hehe". I genuinely don't know how she can write the words female, woman, girl so many times and not notice the irony.
Do you think she is doing it on purpose? I think she actually wants the character to be 100% girl but she's keeping the "genderqueer/genderfluid" label purposefully just to appease her fans and keep her brownie points.
No. 2059179
>>2059174I am so sick of this whiney artist pumping out this endless stream of NLOG material every. single. time I see their art anywhere. Seriously,
every fucking time I see a piece from this artist, it's always on some NLOG "bitchy and popular girly girl vs. one-of-the-boys tomboy" bullshit. I'm tired of it. They strike me as one of those people that just never moved on from high school, so regurgitating high school-tier drama over and over in their art is all they know.
No. 2059180
>>2059177it's trendy to make things look like old 2000s style right now
>>2058137many of them can't get jobs or get noticed without it
No. 2059186
>>2059174kek, I've been following Ari for a while and I agree. She wants to make the girl a girl and the boy a boy, so bad. I think she's scared to do it. She has a lot of loyal fans
because her Mexican JotaKak were both Tifs.
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>>2059186I think in a couple months she'll eventually start using female pronouns for Kate even in comments and I predict at some point after that some gendie is gonna make a tweet something like "omg remember how Brujo Ari's OC used to be a fem presenting trans man? I can't believe she untransed him into just some quirky cis girl. Glow down of the century" and there's gonna be a one/two week long trend of gendies making fun of her for that with at least a minority of gendies treating it as serious trans erasure discourse.
>She wants to make the boy a boyI agree, and she really just presents him doing the same role as any average high school drama broody ("cis") boy, but then again, it's much easier to validate that character's transman gendie status by just occasionally drawing him with his chest out and slapping on some subtle tit scars than having to write PSA essays on how your female presenting female character that uses female pronouns and that you write as a girl female chick is actually genderfluid gender queer, so I think Kate is(/will be) more of an issue for her. If you see the post where that other Kate drawing came from, the boy's version actually mentions him being trans, whereas Kate's doesn't mention anything, so I think she's more willing to keep the boy trans than the girl.
No. 2059298
>>2059239I hope she does it. The seethe will be funny
> Glow down of the century" and there's gonna be a one/two week long trend of gendies making fun of her for that with at least a minority of gendies treating it as serious trans erasure discourse.I know this is only a hypothetical (for now kek) but I've seen similar situations happen on an albeit smaller scale, and all I have to say is the degree of possessiveness gendies have with stranger's ocs when it comes to transness is interesting. Detransing or denying headcanons is placed on the same level as cult excommunication as actually detransing
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Ang has silently reopened her once locked kofi kek shes so predictable. how long until she comes back on twitter and claims she was healed by her alien family and that she never lied so give her 3000 more dollars?
No. 2059833
>>2057012>>2057017>>2057019>>2057111Nta but the fact that so many of you ignored everything she said and went straight for the moid-thing is hilarious Can we have one discussion thread that passes the fucking Bechdel-test and isn’t hijacked by rabid retards who contribute nothing of value and accuse everyone they disagree with of being men or trannies? The term moid was literally created to be derogatory as it was a direct mirror of the term ‘foid’ used to refer to women. Just because someone points this out doesn’t mean they are personally offended by it.
>>2055734Mastery is about dedication and skill, not the medium. Just because someone is more aesthetically pleasing to you doesn’t make it better art. It’s true that digital art is more accessible and popular than for example oil paintings, but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to achieve an incredibly high level of skill or even mastery. The high accessibility also results in the whole digital art sphere being diluted with less skilled artist giving the illusion that digital art overall is of lower quality. Meanwhile when you visit a museum you are seeing the best of the very best from that time which were the only things good enough to be conserved for years to come. Everything else that didn’t make the cut was abandoned and forgotten by time. The true masters of our time will probably not be recognized until our time has passed.
No. 2059917
>>2059885nta but why make the remark in the first place
some
nonnie just said she'd prefer the pic without the man in it but sperg-chan chose to focus on 'edgy' lingo instead
it's stupidly pedantic to pick on other poster's words when you're trying to have
serious discussion, especially on an imageboard
No. 2059933
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>bitching about LC being mean to scrotes
Holy shit, is this newfag serious?
No. 2059948
>>2059941anon only brought men up because it was a literal painting of a moid. Anon was offended that she used ''moid'' to refer to the man
>>2056976 so yeah, she was offended anon was insulting men
No. 2059980
>>2059961Oh nona didn't noticed your reply I was typing
>>2059967 post, hope it helps.
Brush type? I use pencil and ink brushes mostly. I want to move into CSP, just way too used to Krita, CSP process is much slower but brushes are so good here.
No. 2059983
File: 1719076799506.webp (123.11 KB, 640x1138, IMG_1344.webp)
>>2059833THE MOID*Once upon a midnight dreary,
while I, a foid, pondered weak and weary
over a many moids that is to be a quaint and curious kind of forgotten lore
While I baited, nearly mistyping
suddenly there came a rising feeling of alogging
As some would call an anorectal violent rapping at my lolcow door, rapping and infighting
“Moid is some visitor” I muttered,
“tapping at my lolcow door”
Only this and nothing more…*
(off topic) No. 2059991
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>>2059920Hell yeah they do. Picrel is from this unbelievable illustrator named Gennady Spirin. I love his stuff.
No. 2060014
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>>2059967Nona 72 dpi is fucking everything up, just try making a new file at 300dpi and see the immediate difference. Saving as JPEG will also lead to pixelation, it's better to switch to png even if you don't notice a difference now.
No. 2060018
>>2059990is
>>2056964 her example of mastery? kek. It sucks.
No. 2060040
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i love it when you can see old drawings from when an artist was just starting out. Wish more artists didnt purge their old stuff. Its motivational to see their progress.
No. 2060467
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>>2059202It's hard not to prefer Mary to Kate, since she actually fumbles and changes vs Kate's only issues being "my mom is sooo mean" and "no one understands me" and Kate being compared to aphrodite despite every girl supposedly being jealous of her uniqueness. Even had Mary cut her hair to look like Kate out of jealousy.
No. 2060912
>>2058129Thank you, I agree with what you said so I have nothing to add. Appreciate the thoughtful response :)
>>2059940>Be the change you want to see and learn to ignore some posts. You won't change anyone's mind with these posts, it's a waste of your time.thank you, I have learned this
>>2059833thanks for backing me up here anon. Unfortunately the same thing has happened to you. Best to ignore comments that are besides the point, or ppl arguing in bad faith, attacking a strawman. There were enough responses to me that I could have actual discussion of the point at hand and a few other ppl who backed me up.
Once you ignore them, their responses dry up and any actual discussion rises to the top. You'll notice any nitpicking/strawmanning here either devolved into petty arguments that go nowhere, or end any real discussion pretty quickly. I'm actually disappointed in the way I responded, I wasted my time and others time on pointless arguments that go nowhere. Let's do the same going ahead and engage in thoughtful discussions we want to be a part of :)
(using emojis and refusing to integrate) No. 2060945
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>>2060743nothing out of the ordinary but i really like simple styles like this
No. 2060981
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>>2059833>>2059940I don't give a flying fuck about anything else she had to say. Gonna keep it real with you. I just like calling out newfaggotry when I see it. If it breaks your heart to see a faggot fail to integrate before vomitting up whatever whiny opinion they have, sucks for you.
No. 2061191
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>>2061183He's just wearing a dress, she drew plenty of buff men in the past and still does.
No. 2061192
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>>2061191Is this the amazing art in question? KEK
No. 2061210
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>>2061192I'm not the anon you were replying to, but I agree with her. Krabat art is really good, even if she draws subjects I don't care about or in stupid positions or clothing. It doesn't change how skilled she is.
No. 2061357
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>>2061183>>2061191>>2061192>>2061210I don't like men so I don't see the appeal in these, but I like her technique and skillfulness. I do like her sketches so much more than the final pieces though, but that's because I'm a sketchfag. For me the pieces lose that "something" when they are over-rendered.
No. 2061363
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>>2061192Why is Kakyoin seducing Bilbo Baggins
>>2061357Same here! I like loose sketches (or refined drawings) 'cause there's an energy to it that gets covered up or lost the more detailed and refined it is.
No. 2061499
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>>2061357Most of her art is appealing to me for the way she paints, I don't find them necessarily sexy. I think she does a decent job at mimicking the loose paint strokes of a painting, which is surprisingly hard to achieve in digital. I've been following her for a while and she mentioned in the past she has been trying to get her paintings to feel less rigid and overly rendered.
I like sketches too, they are my favorite part. Picrel is vig_rous, I like her simple loose linework and maybe you'll like them too.
No. 2062075
>>2061639I haven't joined jin a while, at least I can deliberately avoid trans spicy straight tagged characters kek.
>>2061693I miss the times I did inspired revenge chains with my friends.
No. 2062211
>>2061639Yeah, the quality of artists goes down each year but I think it's just because most adults aren't really having the time to participate. I'm thinking about participating and wanted to find other nonnies using the 'pastures' tag mentioned earlier in thread but no one is using it yet.
>>2061693All of my art friends have moved on from art or posting online at all so I know this pain. It sucks.
No. 2062390
>>2062362It sucks but that really is the best way to get answers, is to know someone who is already doing the thing. They'll trust you not to give out their manufacturers because once the cats outta the bag, everyone with mediocre skill and a ton of money will overwhelm the labor of that manufacturer and the quality will drop.
At least, that's what They'll likely tell you. Part of me also thinks that they don't want to share the exclusivity of a unique product, or else everyone else will be making it, thus oversaturation.
At the end of the day it all boils down to competition and keeping what makes their shit unique close to the chest. Sometimes that does take a lot of research but the majority of the time it's literally no research necessary, a popular artist friend already gave them all the answers.
No. 2062526
>>2062390>They'll trust you not to give out their manufacturers because once the cats outta the bag, everyone with mediocre skill and a ton of money will overwhelm the labor of that manufacturer and the quality will drop.I fail to see how you helping the manufacturer grow and earn more money and resources is a negative thing for anyone involved. If anything if you tell them you got them new clients they'll like and trust you even more and they might even give you discounts for the free advertizing. And furthermore the $2000 was a real example, mediocre new artists honestly just do not have that kind of money and won't end up buying anyway.
>Part of me also thinks that they don't want to share the exclusivity of a unique product, or else everyone else will be making it, thus oversaturation.But they're custom and unique by default because of the design and art aspect, and are already being made (such as plushies, pins, bags) so it's not like they're THAT exclusive to begin with.
No. 2062595
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Called it
No. 2062805
>>2062595Kek
>>2062611Honestly, from the way she was already referring to her as exclusively female on her actual art and only he/him-ing her in the comments when people asked her, I don't know if this is "no backbone"/changing it because of people's reactions or if she actually actively wanted to do it and is just saying this to cover her ass.
>ugh, y'all I would totally loooove to keep her a he/she/they genderfluid genderqueer and to do that barely readable thing where you keep switching a person's pronouns in the middle of every sentence to validate their complicated gender feelings but ugh… y'all know that uhhhh… some people just don't understand how much of a brave genderqueer she is haha so I just haaaave to make her a normal female. So sad, right? No. 2062828
>>2062595When did she post this? I can't find it on her profile.
Personally I think the embarrassment of her genderfluid everypronoun girly girl oc got to her and she's walking it back subtly to avoid the double humiliation of 1) making this thing, and 2) admitting it was cringe.
No. 2062927
>>2061363>there's an energy to it that gets covered up or lost the more detailed and refined it isYes exactly, you get me nona.
>>2061499>she has been trying to get her paintings to feel less rigid and overly renderedI'll follow her to see her progress then, maybe I can learn a thing or two from her. And thanks for the recommendation, love her sketches.
No. 2063091
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>>2063061Kek that's exactly what it's like
>>2062526>so it's not like they're THAT exclusive to begin withI don't know, I remember for a while it was impossible to find a manufacturer for those CD charms. Now they are even on Vograce, but before that you had to contact the right people to get invited into discords and what not. It would be nice if people just shared things openly but everyone wants to feel like they have an advantage over others
No. 2063127
>>2063091ayrt, I was not talking about truly exclusive/unique things but things I've seen many times in AA. And it's the fact that they will straight up literally tell you that you have to waste your money
because that's what they did, still in the guise of giving advice. They're not saying "you'll have to try a few to find the best one, so expect to spend money on it" they are literally saying "I wasted my money on bad manufacturers and that's why I don't want to tell you which ones are bad or good, you should be forced to waste your money too". It's so odd to me.
In every other instance of finding advice I've looked up people are much more open and even go "I tried all these companies, these are the results so YOU don't have to waste your money and time too". Maybe artists are stingy because AI scares them or something, but even older videos/content are the same so idk.
No. 2063167
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Fookin' hate how globalized Amerishit is and how it inevitably affects the indie art scene in my country. We have a lot talented artists but they'd rather communicate in English to get a more global audience—thus weakening the local scene.
What really grates my gears though is when they put pronouns in their Xitter/Instagram profiles. What do you mean you're a "she/they" "he/they"—OUR LANGUAGE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE GENDERED PRONOUNS, AND I JUST KNOW YOU DON'T USE THEM IRL. It's clear they're LARPing as the liberal Westoids they cream themselves over, it's so embarrassing.
No. 2063180
>>2063127In those cases they are just bitter and don't want to give you the help they didn't get because it simply won't benefit them in any way. They aren't thinking about the manufacturer getting more orders and lowering quality like
>>2062390 suggests, only about the fact that they don't directly gain anything from giving you the answer they wasted so much time and money on. It's the same mindset that most people in my major have kek, they would rather kill themselves than tell you their solution to a problem or how they got there. It's every man for himself as people say. Same reason artists will gatekeep brushes they downloaded although that's something that requires a lot less effort or money to find. They don't lose anything by sharing, it won't make their style less unique or their own brush disappear, but they don't gain anything either.
No. 2063190
>>2063167>We have a lot talented artists but they'd rather communicate in English to get a more global audience—thus weakening the local scene.So with you nona. I find it sad that it happens here too in every art area. Singers sing in english and disregard our own language, writers write in english to sell more, artists only draw american stuff (or weeb/kboo stuff) and they stay away from local cultural stuff since it's less known abroad and thus less popular.
And yeah the god damn embarrassing pronouns. We do have gendered pronouns here, but wokies don't even use them. They'll put "she/he/they" in English in their bio, but never in our own language. They know full well going up to a man in person saying "uh actually I am also a man" is going to get them laughed to hell so they just larp online.
No. 2064279
>>2064018i think you've answered all of your own questions. Seems like there's many different
valid reasons to gatekeep, good and bad, and unless you ask the gatekeeper and they answer you honestly, you can only speculate.
No. 2064870
>>2048889>>2050349aw, no one's using the tag yet. I was really hoping to draw some of you nonna's OCs, especially because it's so hard to find characters with appealing designs amid all the gendieslop. I want to draw GNC women but it seems like they've all gone extinct.
>>2061639>>2062075I'm just tired of every single OC having neopronouns and a tumblr microidentity that was made up by teenagers who don't have real problems in their lives.
>>2063781put them in the tag! I want to see them and hopefully attack you.
No. 2064923
>>2064279>i think you've answered all of your own questions.I mean no, other nonas did provide some points tho which is why I asked. I still don't get why artist in particular are so selfish and short-sighted when it comes to business and helping others. If I ever make it big I'm spilling all the trade secret beans and no one can stop me. I'd love to help more artists thrive and make it big too.
>>2064870>aw, no one's using the tag yet. I was really hoping to draw some of you nonna's OCs,If I wasn't drowning in work this summer I'd join in, I don't think I'd have much time to draw others back so I don't wanna put anything up
No. 2064966
>>2064959You can make a proton burner email to sign up.
>>2064870NTA but I'm in the process of finishing up ref sheets and I'll upload them in the next few days with the pastures tag. I really hope I can attack some nonas.
No. 2065790
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huh I just realized I don't think I've ever seen a moid draw in the generic "kawaii" animal style? Is this the one area troons haven't infiltrated yet because there's not enough coom?
I assume there must be a ton in japan at least (since it's very normalized over there) but at least I've never seen a western man want to draw like this despite it being super popular among females
No. 2065826
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>>2065790Would you believe that a 30+ black man drew this? Probably not if no one told you.
It's not a thing he talks about himself really, he's probably more interested in drawing. Which is what I assume with most artists who are quiet. They care more about creating things attention.
No. 2066356
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Does anyone know what happened to Ursula Decay? She was really popular for drawing alternative character's and whatnot but went MIA on all social media last year.
No. 2066392
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>>2066317And I'll counterattack you too,
nonny!
No. 2068773
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I'm in a few AA groups, just read a discussion about kids running up and grabbing a bunch of business cards, or playing with display items. Instead of doing the normal thing and telling the kids it's not allowed they all say "we can't do that, the parents might go karen! There is nothing we can do, if the kids act like that the parents must be neglectful karens!!! It's babysitting to tell a kid not to do something anyway and i don't wanna babysit their kids"
you're just scared of kids, you can literally just tell them no. Even in a worst case scenario a karen yells at you, that's all that happens. If she truly goes nuts you call security on her as you would anyone else.
Like what's so hard about "hey kids just grab one please, so there's enough for everyone" or "don't play with those unless you ask mommy to buy one for you first"?
No. 2070847
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Anons, does anyone know where I could find this course for free? I don't have hundreds of dollars
t. europoor
No. 2070978
>>2063167As an ESLfag with a relatively niche native language I fucking HATE that this happens. Every time an artist breaks 1000 followers they switch all their work and social media to English. I get why they choose to do it, but their work loses its personality when they're clearly ESL and unable to reach the amount of soul they would with their native language. They just sink into the huge mass of English speaking creators and alienate the original one they already had, sometimes it even feels like they're slightly embarrassed of their actual background. This is honestly why I stick to my own language on my socials and if anglos are
triggered by a foreign language and can't enjoy my illustrations because of it, that's their problem.