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No. 1787199
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>>1744398 No. 1787213
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>>1787199I was 2 minutes too late, kek. I have to admit that your threadpic is a much better choice than mine, picrel.
No. 1787216
>>1787212Thanks
nonnie. We can save it for the fifth iteration, if this cursed thread even survives that long.
No. 1787375
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Words really have lost all meaning. Yuri no longer refers to f/f, yaoi no longer refers to m/m, they've both become a quirky way to describe ships regardless of the characters' genders.
Unsurprisingly, the QRTs are full of people calling their basic straight ships yuri and yaoi.
No. 1787405
>>1787387He looks old and busted even in the OP pic and
that's a fanart, the OG looks even worse
No. 1787411
>>1787375People calling m/m yuri and vice versa is already annoying as is but hetshippers adopting the terms because they can't enjoy their ships without wokeifying them is even worse. If I knew my hetshaming in 2016 would eventually lead to this I would've opted for telling m/f shippers how
valid and wholesome they were instead.
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>>1787375The explanation OP gave is even worse.
No. 1787450
>>1787419That first line is already bad.
>yaoi/yuri puristsSo what, liking actual gay ships is considered boring/being a purist now? Every ship needs to be ''queer'' in some way, which means you're mostly stuck with either spicy straight ships, a m/m ship getting called ''lesbians'', etc? How did fandom regress this badly? Not to mention get more homophobic, but now in a woke way.
>>1787439I noticed some people giving OP shit, but they just responded by saying it was a joke. I generally see some pushback to this type of posts, but it's not enough, plus if you piss them off enough you get called trans/bi/whatever phobic.
No. 1787479
>>1787460>but hate "cis gays" because they're homophobicThis is the most baffling part, people will literally post ''ironic'' homophobic memes or talk about hating gay people but this is okay because they're trans and ~queer~. What will it take for people to realize these are not some woke takes, and that they're actually regressive as fuck?
Agreed about straight people, I don't like m/f ships and those shippers have some other issues, and yet they somehow manage to not be as annoying as trannies. Now that I think about it, homophobic straight people and woke queers will have some similar opinions on shipping/gay people kek.
No. 1787488
>>1787375>>1787419I seriously hate these retards. They don't even realise how regressive they are. It's funny how they imply heteronormativity is bad meanwhile they're doing exactly that while pushing stereotypical gender roles. Butchxbutch are basically fags. I hate the memeification of yaoi and yuri because it's spawned nothing but retarded takes like this from obnoxious spicy straight gendies.
>>1787460It used to be "it's not a straight relationship, they're bi4bi!" now it's "it's not a straight relationship, it's basically yaoi/yuri". It's funny because these spicy straights have created their own delusional reality where straight ships are icky and unaccepted by society and gay people are watching their every move, ready to jump them if they dare to like m/f kek
No. 1787533
>>1787484>that gay sex is less "real" than PIVThese people really see gay sex as incomplete and not real but don't realize it's homophobic (or just cope their way through thinking it's not). There was discourse 1-2 days ago about some girl who said lesbians who only have sex with women are boring and there's this one Gojo/Geto shipper who headcanons Geto as a woman because of some ying yang complementary balance shit, it literally all reeks of "men and women belong together and they're the true union because they fit perfectly with one another unlike you disgusting homos". Except now you can use accusing people of transphobia as a defense if anyone calls you out for it.
>>1787488>It used to be "it's not a straight relationship, they're bi4bi!" now it's "it's not a straight relationship, it's basically yaoi/yuri"Exactly this. Most people got tired of pretending they genuinely care about headcanoning these random characters as t4t genderfluid bisexuals and hopped on the yaoi/yuri bandwagon as soon as it started gaining traction. If they could simply admit to liking their retarded ass het pairings it'd save everyone their insanity but they'd rather do mental gymnastics because plain old m/f isn't progressive enough (which is a mindset they're forcing on themselves, just don't give a fuck?) and they don't want to be left out.
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>>1787460Kek reminded me of how this artist tweeted that everything she draws is gay inbetween drawings of piv porn. Which is also the only kind of sex she ever draws, though I didn't scroll further than mid 2020
No. 1788029
>>1787807Good for you, but a lot of people in gay spaces are very much not looking to see dicks in f/f or pussies in m/m, or any sort of PiV. It should be a space free of that, or at the very least properly tagged (which it often isn't). There's m/f ships everywhere and they could make content for those, and yet they decide to force themselves into spaces not intended for them. In case of trans shit specifically, you will also run into gross things like tit scars, a character telling another ''you're totally a real man/woman to me'', and so on.
I also believe regular hetbend shouldn't be so universally accepted (without tags especially), if I see an artist draw a ship as het more than half of the time I block them, at that point you might as well be drawing OCs.
No. 1788090
>>1788064A few reasons: dynamics of a ship will not stay the same when you change it from gay to het, if you want to draw het art then do it to one of the many existing m/f ships that don't get as much content, the hetbended version often ends up making the ship generic and nothing like itself. People who want to see m/f and PiV sex really don't need to invade spaces of people who for the most part don't want to see it, when m/f is so accepted basically everywhere.
I'm fine with it being drawn here and there, but if you only like a gay ship when it's made straight, then why are you even in the fandom for it?
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>>1788090Maybe if you're a coomer moid who doesn't genderbend beyond adding tits and ass then sure, but otherwise the dynamic wouldn't change at all unless you're some weirdo who believes in regressive stereotyping. Unless you're the aforementioned coomer moid who puts no thought into the genderbend it wouldn't be generic it would be the same. Unless of course, the M/M ship was already generic from the start. The only thing that's truly invading is gendie and transhit. Frankly, that shit has invaded M/M, F/F, and even M/F this shit is everywhere and it's not those heckin' crop burnin' hetshippers being the problem I can assure you. I can also assure you that that the heckin' hetshippers are not invading your spaces and stopping the means to production of yaois, don't be dramatic. Either you're being disingenuous, retarded, or you don't know how to curate your own feeds because gayshit will always supersede hetshit, for every hetshipper drawing F/M I can find at least 5 gayshippers drawing M/M and F/F. Unless you're looking strictly at American artists those numbers jump even higher. Hetshit will always be a niche in fandoms compared to gayshit. Finding good (non-moid) hetshit will always be even more niche. If I look up a male character 9 times out of ten, the first piece of art will them being railed or railing another male character. The whole concept of hetshippers "invading" your spaces is hilarious and dramatic when that's obviously not the case.
>But if you only like a gay ship when it's made straight, then why are you even in the fandom for it?Because people are weird and can do whatever they wish, I mean that shit happens a lot in JP fandom spaces too. Me personally? I find it fun and it can be pretty cute at times too, nothing deeper than that other than the occasional belief that certain characters would work better as women rather than men. I will draw your faggy twinks eating pussy.
No. 1788176
>>1788125>I can also assure you that that the heckin' hetshippers are not invading your spaces and stopping the means to production of yaois, don't be dramatic.No, but I have to see random untagged het PiV sex when I'm trying to look at gay art. Not everyone wants to see it, why can't you just draw het art for.. het ships? The reason m/f ships have less content than m/m and f/f is simply because people don't make it, and would rather turn gay characters straight.
>or you don't know how to curate your own feeds because gayshit will always supersede hetshitI have the hetbend terms muted, but the problem is when it's untagged and as I said in my initial post regarded as universally accepted.
>If I look up a male character 9 times out of ten, the first piece of art will them being railed or railing another male character.So fujos… actually make content they want to see? What, is everyone supposed to make content to appeal to YOUR tastes?
>I will draw your faggy twinks eating pussy.You sound like a butthurt yume mad about your husbando being drawn taking dick kek. A bit homophobic too. So I guess you like hetbend because you can self insert easier?
No. 1788190
>>1788090NTA but as much as I think a lot of the old school "ship and let ship" "your kink is not my kink and that's okay" culture was spineless, I honestly would be less pressed about this woke homophobia if it was just easily avoidable. Hetbends? Tag it, so people who don't like it can avoid it and people who do like it can have their own space for it. Trans headcanons, genital swap kink, PIV in gay ships, again, tag it. Same with "icky" things like hard kinks or other "
problematic" content like gore/noncon/etc. I get where "fandom critics" are coming from when they say that your fic/ship/etc. preferences don't exist in a vacuum (there's no way in hell that 99.9% of omegaverse isn't sexist gender roles IMO), but I'm so tired of performative social justice and most people don't want to be lectured over this shit. I miss when every niche had their own community on LJ away from each other.
No. 1788205
>>1788176Why can't I turn gay characters straight? I can draw content for my M/F ships and make hetbend for M/M ships I like, the power of fandom is in the hands of the individual and that power is to have fun. It isn't serious business. If untagged het-content is what you mean by invade and not the swaths of tranny and gendie shit that's not even good then I don't know what to tell you other than it's not a big deal. Personally, I try to tag my shit as much as possible and I believe it is in good courtesy for others to do the same so as to not stumble on things you dislike, keep tribes from infighting and throwing shitstorms. However, I'm not going to throw a tantrum and claim people are invading. It's just a "oh." and then I scroll past it.
>So fujos… actually make content they want to see? What, is everyone supposed to make content to appeal to YOUR tastes?I said that to explain there there isn't and will never be a lack of M/M content so the idea of "hetshippers invading your spaces" is hilarious, dramatic, and not even completely true. And you, this entire time by the way, have sounded like a butthurt fujo mad when someone draws your precious gays as straight. I like hetbend, as I said before, because I find it fun and it can be pretty cute at times too, nothing deeper than that other than the occasional belief that certain characters would work better as women rather than men.
No. 1788222
>>1788125>If I look up a male character 9 times out of ten, the first piece of art will them being railed or railing another male characterI used to like this male secondary character from an obscure 80s fight game, yet 5 seconds scrolling through Google and there's
dozens of pics of him getting fucked by moids, not even normal fanart or portraits wtf. They're everywhere making nsfw content of any character with dicks and balls, even more content that regular sfw fanartist or hets and is frightening, you could google a random male character and he's going to have 5x gay porn content than regular art nowadays
>I will draw your faggy twinks eating pussyThis would actually be cool for a change, really. Women oriented het shipping is not really trendy nowadays
No. 1788227
>>1788190That's something I can agree with, everything being tagged properly would solve so many issues and it'd probably make me way less annoyed about the whole tranny invasion of fandoms. The worst thing is how trans fics end up being tagged as m/m or f/f despite featuring a now woke straight couple.
>>1788205Why do you think I'm ok with tranny shit? Yes, that's obviously way worse, but that doesn't mean hetbend is ok or that I have to like it just because it's less bad. Obviously there's going to be more gay art in the space intended for it, but I shouldn't have to worry about seeing straight shit here too when it's already mainstream everywhere outside of these niche spaces.
>the occasional belief that certain characters would work better as women rather than men.So why only genderbend one of them and not both? I have no problem with and actually love m/m to f/f and the other way around. Of course I think this should be tagged as well so people can avoid it if they don't like it.
No. 1788230
>>1788190Japanese fandoms are a lot better when it comes to this, they basically tag most unexpected things out of courtesy. Westoids have the mindset that fandom is activism so they refuse to tag their retarded hetbend trannyshit under the guise of normalizing trans bodies or whatever. I understand not tagging art (even if I still find it annoying) because giving warnings isn't that common on Twitter unless it's gore but these people have no excuse NOT to tag their fanfics and they still don't. It's dumb as fuck because tagging your fics is an overall net positive since the people who want to see X can search for X and the people that don't can exclude it from the searches. But as I said these tards see everything as activism and they're delusional enough to turn their laziness to some moral fight which also means conversely they twist people disliking X into some ethical problem. I have yet to see one good argument why it's wrong for someone to not like PiV from these people. Genuinely the only explanation they accept as a
valid reason to dislike PiV sex is having trauma related to genitals, why the fuck do I have to have been assaulted to not want to see hetsex? I've had the most "proship don't like don't read" people question me over this too, so much for "don't police what others like in fiction". Their other mutuals can post as much yaoi bestiality rape they want but me not liking PiV warrants a whole police investigation when it doesn't even affect them. And before anyone accuses me that people only interrogate me because I'm doing something wrong, I don't disparage PiV or anyone who likes it online. I will literally get asked about drawing it and say I don't like PiV at all so don't expect it once and still get people in my dms because they get "weird vibes" from my response or whatever the fuck.
No. 1788256
>>1788244Why are you so
triggered? All I was saying was that being ok with straight content shouldn't be the default/a given in spaces meant for gay content and that people should tag it better.
>>1788250Don't blame the fujos who were never gonna make content for you on this, blame the people who hetbend gay ships instead of just making yume art for their husbandos.
No. 1788271
>>1788230>I have yet to see one good argument why it's wrong for someone to not like PiV from these people. Genuinely the only explanation they accept as a valid reason to dislike PiV sex is having trauma related to genitals, why the fuck do I have to have been assaulted to not want to see hetsex? I've had the most "proship don't like don't read" people question me over this too, so much for "don't police what others like in fiction". Their other mutuals can post as much yaoi bestiality rape they want but me not liking PiV warrants a whole police investigation when it doesn't even affect them. That's what gets me about this. Even in liberal, sex positive, non-fandom spaces there's this weird conservative belief that not liking PIV makes a woman broken or must be some kind of bigotry (either in a "misandrist" way from egalitarians or "transphobia" from woketards). Not only is that horrifically lesbophobic, but it's misogynistic in general because I've known plenty of straight women who hate PIV sex or find it overrated. When it comes to the trauma excuse, I know SA
victims who feel like they're not allowed to dislike dick/PIV/etc. because weren't assaulted via penetration. So it's pushing people to share private details to be judged or even
lie about their experience to get people off their back. They think they're queer and subversive but it's the same traditional values in a rainbow hat. This is why I miss "your kink is not my kink" even though it was annoying, because proshippers don't have to trip over themselves to explain that they don't really think large age gaps/noncon/etc. is okay in real life, but not wanting to see straight sex is suspicious.
No. 1788281
>>1788231I'm not acting sensitive, I just don't understand why would you even imply het art is in any way relevant when m/m art is far more abundant and fujoshis are way more prolific than any other fandom group, it's such an non-issue
>>1788272Believe me, yaoi ain't any less cringe or hard to look at from an outsider's perspective. We all cringe for liking 2D
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>>1788227Slow down and read. I never implied you like or are okay with trannyshit. I never said that you had to like hetbend either. I don't believe hetbend is inherently good or bad, It's just like any other weird AU type thing. It's more of a matter of personal tastes rather than objectivity. I do not care, I shouldn't have to worry about seeing things I don't like and opinions I disagree with but that's life. Do your best to ignore, filter, tag, and block, and if by chance you come across the horrid hetshit then try not to have a meltdown. If by mainstream you mean the swaths of moid-made ""het"" content then don't worry I agree with you, I don't like it as well.
>So why genderbend only oneI draw for me, what I like. Whether it's M/M, M/F or F/F. I draw for me and my arguably retarded whims. Hell, If I see a M/M pairing I like I'll hetbend it both ways. It's not even for self-insertion purposes. It's fun, I like it, and that's all I need for a reason. Don't get so
hetbent out of shape
nonnie, it isn't a big deal.
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So related to this, fandom culture and everything surrounding it, has unironically convinced me that sexuality is innate to people, and no matter how much we try, we can never change it. So, when straight men or TIMs write "sapphic romances," it's basically a porn-induced fantasy of foreplay. However, this extends to straight women as well. now we all know this happens with male slash, it just recreates heterosexuality. But this also happens with femslash. If you go through any sort of AO3 fic of a popular female slash fic, you'll see that it's just a heterosexual relationship where one character has a magical penis or a super scientific strap-on that is also functionally a penis. It's not re-creating heterosexuality or applying heterosexual dynamics, it's just heterosexuality.
No. 1788455
>>1788276It's also not like fujos will make you yume art just because you sperg out at them. I have no problem with yumes who just stay in their lane and enjoy their content (even if I personally have 0 interest in it) while not taking every chance to bitch about fujos or their husbando being drawn as gay.
>>1788367I'm the one that brought up hetbend in the first place, I like both m/m and f/f (although I struggle to find a lot of f/f media that appeals to my tastes) and I simply do not wish to see a man and a woman together, so it sucks to run into it in a space that's supposed to be free of it. I find futa to be a more common problem with f/f than hetbend, but it happens for similar reasons like
>>1788332 said. I'm repeating myself here, but at least have the decency to tag it and don't just assume everyone wants to see any variation of het art while going through a gay ship's tag.
No. 1788500
>>1788125>Maybe if you're a coomer moid who doesn't genderbend beyond adding tits and ass then sure, but otherwise the dynamic wouldn't change at all Yes it fucking would. I can enjoy seeing two men in my fujoshit be in a messy relationship being
toxic towards each other but I would projectile vomit all over the place if I saw a man doing that to a woman because guess what the way you consume and create fiction is heavily influenced by your real life experiences.
>other than the occasional belief that certain characters would work better as women rather than men. You have some genuine retardation accusing anon of being "disingenuous" when you bitch about how NOOO DYNAMICS DON'T CHANGE UNLESS YOU BELIEVE IN REGRESSIVE GENDER ROLES yet go ahead and admit doing so yourself. The lack of self awareness is off the charts but it's not surprising at this point but I guess stumbling over your words is marginally better than straight out admitting that you find gayshit being disgusting.
>Hetshit will always be a niche in fandoms compared to gayshit.When you're in the majority the smallest deviation appears as oppression. Hetfags are crybabies who treat shipping as a zero sum game where the more fujo content there is the less they get their het ships while realistically the scales would not tip either way. At least you admit that fujos are more talented and productive and support each other way more than hetfags who want only self shipping tripe and ignore the lucrative amount of canon m/f content because you got big mad about the "faggy twink" being a fujo favourite. Pathetic.
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>>1788486It even extends to politics. Look up how many radical feminists viewed lesbianism as a role for women, rather than a sexuality, and so they would see lesbians as these soft art boys, and any lesbian who didn't follow that romanticized image. was creating heterosexuality or wa too positioned in cis-hetro patriarchy.
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>>1788500Who even cares this much, the fags you’re defending aren’t even real.
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I just wish more hetero content was normal. 90% of it is maledom shit made by pickmes.
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Can the fujos and yumes ITT just make up and kiss and focus on the real hulking and puffing beastman in the room which is troon headcanons infecting every male and female fandom space under the guise of "activism" please
No. 1788924
>>1788873This is my anecdotal and observational experience only but I feel that half of them are fujos that unironically got memed into liking het and the other half are coping hetshippers. Like you REALLY, really like the feel and the aesthetics of women during sex and vaginas and all that, but you don't want the woman baggage. Or you like the characters better as males? Like if you draw like this
>>1787831 I don't care if you're a fujo or yumejo. You're a copejo and you need to pick a side. Why are people not even genderbending anymore and just transing. We need to retvrn to old fandom or something because this is ridiculous
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There's unironically more trans character tagged works than the sherlock and related fandom. And this is just the tagged shit. Also not included are the nonbinary/agender tagged shit as well as any other gendie tags. The number in picrel has actually gone up by 78 and I screenshotted it earlier today.
No. 1788996
the way i see it, the current fandom climate pits fujos and yumejos against each other. fujos - people who want to see M/M - are frustrated that gendies are invading their spaces and spreading rebranded untagged hetero PIV content. this wouldn't be so bad if they could gatekeep but fujos must kowtow to the troons so they must bear it. on the other hand, yumejos - people who want to see F/M - are dejected because of slim pickings for truly femgaze heterosexual content. even when it exists, a lot it's pickme maledom shit or infected by the moid gaze and the few female artists who unapologetically try to make femgaze art end up caving in to men (especially troons) or face backlash because how dare women objectify men.
whether you want M/M or F/M, shit sucks because words dont have meanings anymore and female fans aren't allowed to gatekeep. fujos and yumes just want to enjoy femgaze content in peace but women aren't even allowed that. gender ideology shit, troons, coomer moids and pickmes - these are the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
>>1788924>copejotopkek but seriously i vote we start using this word to describe all the hetfags who want to make male/female PIV intercourse without all the female baggage, the fujos who got psyoped into liking het with extra steps by the gendies, and basically any fujo/yumejo/hetfag who does olympic-level mental gymnastics to justify why their PIV content counts as True and Honest (TM) yaoi.
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>>1788993Actually Trans Character combines all trans male and trans female tags. It's the parent tag. If you exclude trans character, it excludes any grouped including tags like Trans Steve Rogers, etc. Picrel is the amount of works tagged with Trans Character itself.
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>>1788803Coomers in male fandoms who jerk it to "femboys" are getting their femboys trooned out by the same gender mafia that's infecting female spaces. Can't forget the discourse that came out when pic rel dropped. Moids get psyopsed into "girldick" just as easily as female fans into "boypussy".
No. 1789151
>>1788873Dunno if others have observed this too, but I think 'boipussy' shit goes hand-in-hand with how prolific breeding and related kinks are at the moment (eg a/b/o). Tifs in particular seem to really get off on the threat of pregnancy (not as in a 'pregnancy scare', but the idea of it literally being used as a tool against them), and the whole cuntboy/transman going stealth until, oh no, the most biologically female situation possible happens to him, aaa the angst, the need to keep it secret to maintain their masculinity, the coom. Or something, I don't pretend to understand these people. Also finally experienced the tranny jumpscare anons have mentioned the other day with an m/f fic that turned out to be an untagged t4t fic just so that the male character could get the bonus of being threatened with pregnancy while being assaulted. It was supposed to be horror/angst, but that sure wasn't the kind I was expecting kek
No. 1789224
>>1788906as a yume I can assure you they're not hetshippers either. It's some weird mix that ends up being nothing at all. I can look up a het rarepair and half the fics have them be t4t or the guy being trans.
When it comes to yume fics specifically, it's basically impossible these days to find one where the self insert isn't supposedly gender neutral (it never is because they write it like het porn but without ever saying vagina)
No. 1789247
>>1789224I don't mind seeing my husbando with a vagina as long as he is still exclusively into women. Turning him into a faggot is much worse.
Fujos are all fat unattractive women who know their pretty anime boy would never be into them so if they can't have him no other woman can.
It's funny when they pretend their porn is activism and they're "lesbians" defending their faggot brothers. The same women claiming to defend homosexuality would never support yuri artists.
(bait) No. 1789311
When it comes to male weebs what do you prefer (or dislike the least)?
>normie shonenfags who literally only care about trash from the shonen jump and maybe Berserk too, grew up obsessed with Saint Seiya, DBZ and Captain Tsubasa if they're gen X or millenials, their only input when talking about what they like is when they argue about powerlevel, will maybe even use a calculator for that purpose. Other than that they look down on anything that's not a battle shonen manga/anime or a fighting game and will think you're a deranged piece of shit otaku for reading Nana or Fruits Basket or Hana Yori Dango as a teenage girl when it was ongoing
>hardcore otaku into everything you can think of at the same time, be it genres, demographics, art styles and fetishes. Will spam retweet loli art on their twitter account, sperg endlessly about localizers being incompetent and racist against the Japanese entertainment industry, about their favorite eroge visual novels that are allegedly better written than anything Shakespeare ever created, about normies, and about their depressions. They will alternate between shitting on more "casual" nerds and female weebs who don't like excessive fanservice and defending the sanctity of hardcore hentai and yaoi out of a false sense of solidarity because they like otokonoko doujinshi. Bonus if they greentext on social media
No. 1789332
>>1789195Your spin would work if the original anon wasn't literally being a dramatic bitch about fujopandering taking away her theoretical het content in weebshit.
>>1789247Kek every single husbandofag post on this website but you forgot to call them misogynists and NLOGs
No. 1789337
>>1789311Out of your two options I'd prefer to interact with the first, as most of my interactions with guys who have DBZ as their answer when I ask what anime they like have been pretty chill and just pleasantly surprised that I'll talk about it with them (I like a lot of battle shounens and have a soft spot for DBZ, used to watch it in the mornings before primary school kek). I haven't met any argumentative powerlevellers in the flesh yet, just seen them in passing online and ignored them.
The second type go from whatever to skeeving me the fuck out in record time. I have only encountered them online, usually on my art or while I'm streaming, and it always starts as the usual grating of dealing with a turbo sped before they decide we're best buddies and become a cringey pest. So they can fuck right off.
All of the 'weeb' guys I know irl though are my close friends and they pretty much come to me for recommendations and don't read/watch much else on their own because I am apparently a good filter kek. They like to talk art and characters/plot/themes for the most part too and aren't really into the powerlevel or who could win discussions unless it's as a joke.
No. 1789353
>>1789149I don't care that Bridget was basically a coombait "draw a girl call it a boy" character, the change was shit and Daisuke did it to get Western brownie points because the game is flopping. His story was already fine with accepting that he's just a boy who's cute no matter what others say so the transing makes 0 sense. Plus the GG community has become 100x more obnoxious since then and every Bridget icon is annoying as fuck. I used to regard Bridget positively but seeing him on my TL is just a symbol that the person has shit takes now.
>>1789311Unpopular opinion but the second one. I follow a lot of accounts like those, I have nothing in common with shounentards. Yes they're degenerates but I prefer them over the first ones because they generally have better understanding of anime/manga and the culture surrounding it even if they're elitist about it (but I support gatekeeping anyway). They're the only ones I see calling people who act like Fujimoto is a queer feminist activist retarded and other stuff similar to that. There are a lot of rightoids in that circle but it's one of the only subsects on Twitter where I can find people oppose annoying woke shit but aren't full on homophobic, though these types are sort of rare within the circle already.
No. 1789464
There's this one series I really like but it's frankly impossible to find a genuine place to talk about it with other people. If I posted about it in a place like this, It'd probably get laughed out as "scrote mcgaze moid shit" because of genre/visuals (though in fairness, even coomers can agree that the marketing is completely retarded. People should be fired.) In male dominated places 90% of discussion would be about what the female character's underwear smells like, there is absolutely zero interest in trying to think about it critically. In whatever small pockets are left outside of that, there still somehow manages to be stupid genderqueer bullshit. Though, they tend to hide some of it as totally joking, guys.
I recently read an interesting interview where the author mentioned their intentions with playing around with gender roles, and while it didn't go deeper it got me thinking about what they meant by that. From an outsider's pov there isn't anything in particular, but after thinking about it for a while there is this subtle subversion of dynamics/roles/arcs strewn all throughout the story, even down to the romantic relationships. Of course, if I tried to discuss this anywhere at best the response would be "the author wrote trans coded characters and didn't even know it!! The mc is a total she/her lesbo!!"
Frankly, I don't even know if I really want it to be popular or not. While it's genuinely interesting, there's a lot of stuff that I can imagine tiktok zoomers going batshit over as mental illness and trans shit. A part of me hopes that as it continues, the "scrote shit" stereotype keeps up so they won't get into it, but at the same time it feels like such a waste. There's so much to ruminate over, but nobody to ruminate with.
No. 1789469
>>1789457Yes it's hard to explain I guess but I'm talking about these people who think they're huge experts on anime and manga and who think they're nerdy enough but they're closer to being annoying as fuck normies and don't realize it. If any French speaking anon is here, my best example is when French-Algerian Naruto or DBZ fans sperg hard when a character discover a new technique and will yell about how they're the goat but when they see female fans of these series they start questioning them because "omg!! a gir!!! who likes naruto!!! omg that cant be, did you read the first chapter? how impressive do you know how to spell [name of retarded made up secret technique]? omg, no way so you're a REAL fan then? wow!" then they change their mind and call you a fake fan for liking more than three series and for liking romance, thrillers, comedy, horror, etc. because there's no martial art tournament arc in there.
As a contrast the second category of guys would be like "ew I bet you ship sasunaru. but I guess we're the same because I like hundreds of fanarts with lolis wearing nazi uniforms on twitter everyday" or "mfw no smelly fujo gf"
No. 1789494
>>1789469>>1789432I used to be friends with both types and I'd pick shonenfags any day. Being autistic about DBZ is better than being autistic about Japanese porn games
>>1789486incredibly niche lol
No. 1789514
>>1789464>There's this one series I really like but it's frankly impossible to find a genuine place to talk about it with other people. If I posted about it in a place like this, It'd probably get laughed out as "scrote mcgaze moid shit" because of genre/visualsI have a manga I really enjoy that's like this. It's a romcom series written by a woman for a shounen magazine and is a much better series than its competitors because of that (characters act realistically, actually get developed,
they actually confess and start dating without the manga ending, every chapter has a purpose and stupid drama isn't dragged out) but I can't post it here for the same reasons as you. I'm fed by female japanese twitter fanartists and I haven't seen any genderspecial garbage from fans or the author so it's not all bad, but my condolences to you.
No. 1789527
>>1789151>Tifs in particular seem to really get off on the threat of pregnancy (not as in a 'pregnancy scare', but the idea of it literally being used as a tool against them), and the whole cuntboy/transman going stealth until, oh no, the most biologically female situation possible happens to him, aaa the angst, the need to keep it secret to maintain their masculinity, the coom. Or something, I don't pretend to understand these people.It's because TIFs don't actually want to be "transmen", they want to be "not cisgender". I always thought the concept of "true trans" was an unproven theory, but I remember on Tumblr 6-7 years ago there was huge backlash between TIFs who hated their genitals and boobs and considered being trans a mental illness that is treated by medically looking like the opposite sex (aka the "truscum"), and TIFs who claimed to be transmen/nonbinary but still wore makeup, dressed feminine, have boobs, have PIV sex, or claim to be trans even when using female pronouns/presentation (the "tucutes"/"too cute to be cis"). I don't support the "truscum" types because it sounds like an unhealthy mindset, but I remember when those were the majority of TIFs and thought "boipussy"/breeding kink content was offensive, but now they're a minority and compared to Terfs for "gatekeeping gender expression".
No. 1789555
>>1789190Now I know you're being obtuse. Where have you been for the past several or so years of fandom to not notice the changing attitudes for queer content? First, you're oppressed, and then you're popular. Then it's not that you're popular, but no one else creates any content in fandoms (lies). Then it's that hets do make content, but somehow not more than fujos. Then is that het is dominant and everyone is blind, yet fandom is queer and everyone is gay. Like make up your fucking minds! I've been a part of fandom for a long time. The acceptance for slash, BL, etc. is rising. I remember when yaoi was treated as some kind of "taboo," where most who liked it stuck to their corner of the fandom due to the fact that the very mention of it either in the wider fandom would have you "maimed." Now the conversations on slashipping and BL in general is so widely known, to the point where it out does any other kind of ships. Where most artist draw it. It's like you want to hold onto this perpetual
victim complex yet I promise you you're not being oppressed just because you write or like to read two men getting fucked in the ass. More likely than not, at least in most online spaces, you're being praised for it.
No. 1789588
>>1789560Still here. Yet still seeing fujo and slash dominate every fandom tag despite it. Guess it didn't work that well. Wonder why.
>>1789577Ignoring the fact that most BL and slash is written by women who aren't even queer.
No. 1789590
>>1789514Thank God for overseas female fan artists, honestly.
The series I'm into has a surprisingly dedicated Korean/Japanese following that are making stuff like merchandise or fanart daily so at least whenever I feel like it I just translate their tweets. They always have some interesting comment or theory and whenever there's new content released, they immediately gush about it.
I just wish that could be the case in English.
No. 1789602
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This reminded me of us. One cat is a fujo the other is a yumejo
No. 1789603
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>>1789587>Yumeaidens writing fics about their husbando fucking their trans headcanoned self insert blorbo's boypussy isn't BL no matter how much you bend it aroOkay, retard what will it take to get it through you and your ilk's collective hivemind that yumejos and hetshippers aren't the gendies and trannies actually invading your spaces, and the people actually doing that are gendies and trannies?
No. 1789619
>>1789613How is it BL if it's trans,
nonnie? It's still a woman with a vagina.
>>1789615I don't know how you can sit here accusing fujos of having a
victim complex when you fly off the handle the moment someone implies that gendies writing their self insert tranny fanfiction aren't claimed by fujos and are in fact highly disliked because they refuse to tag with PIV because "my vagina is a male vagina!!!!" and melodramatically accuse others of "labeling all yumes as such" when nobody said that.
No. 1789624
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Guys….gendies and trannies ruined and appropriated both fujo amd yume spaces…both can be true..
No. 1789626
>>1789619Nonnas can admit that "gay" trannies are just straight with extra steps, but yumes can't admit that transifying a male character and shipping them with another male is just yume with extra steps.
>>1789624But yes, they are not only yumes or fujos, they are copejos
No. 1789702
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tumblr will always be my favorite social media for insane discourse and fandom infights kek I think we should do more tournaments between annoying fandoms
No. 1789727
>>1789720Did you
want people to doxx eachother over a fictional character poll??
No. 1789773
>>1789702>fighting this hard over ugly 3DPD pollAs one of my country's presidents once said: I don't think that whoever wins or whoever loses, nor whoever wins or loses, will win or lose. Everyone will lose.
But op sure shot herself in the foot telling people to not be picky with allies kek.
No. 1789787
>>1789702The men in these gay pirate shoes are so fucking hideous idk how ppl watch this shit
Actually most male actors nowadays in general are just fucking ugly, it's disgraceful
No. 1790198
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Every day the age for what's considered an "old man" to you guys gets lower. Some of us just like our men grown. "Old man" to me is saggy, grey haired manlet, not strong emotionally mature 30 year old man.
No. 1790247
>>1790226her
>>1790198 , and all of the ''ummm ackshually 30yo isnt expired'' even though thats the average age when men start going bald and settle down after their manwhores era is over. That's literally the average age your dad had when they had you unless you come from a teen mom and dad.
No. 1790249
>>1790221>>1790228I think some of you would be a lot happier if you just realized you were lesbians
>>1790247I'm not mad at you, just making an observation. I think it's just mostly weebs or zoomers who consider anyone over the age of 25 to be "old". It's just something I see on this site, everywhere else you guys are a minority so it doesn't matter that much
No. 1790286
>>1790281Like who
>>1790280>25+ means youre a grandpa/grandmaGo back
No. 1790301
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>>1790289Right? Women actors are straight up models meanwhile guys can look like this and have leading roles. And then you have men claiming Margot Robbie is an uggo because she's not 18 anymore.
No. 1790306
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>>1790301anons will do edits like these for these type of moids and then accuse us of being lesbians/moids for asking for younger men in media
No. 1790316
>>1790303You say that, but there's an entire community of women who believe he should've been voted the sexiest man alive this year
>>1790306And it's not like older guys can't be attractive. Sean O'Pry is 34 but he's still pretty attractive imo
No. 1790323
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Okay I'll bite. A while back a nona posted a picture of Alain delon's son and I found him cute. No idea what he looks like in any photo besides this one though so idk if my judgement is accurate
No. 1790348
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>>1790312There's actual male models but not a lot of male models do acting. Some are also weird looking like Leon Dame, but there's others like Kohei Takabatake or Alton Mason both of whom look more attractive than whatever new young actor hollywood is trying to shill.
There's also Lucky Blue Smith, but he's definitely an acquired taste
No. 1790350
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Women should strive to be better than male pedos who call a barely legal age "the wall", not be like them
>>1790348Based, Alton Mason is so hot
No. 1790369
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>>1790355Instead of trying to better society, you would rather stoop to be worse. Aging should not be feared.
No. 1790378
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>>1790370>The actual wall for men would probably be around 40 for the average moid if he actually took care of himself.holy shit the cope, this isnt psyoped women anymore this is ltieral moids
No. 1790382
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>>1790366According to imdb I don't think there are that many
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls080428542/One of these fuckers is Pete Davidson
No. 1790383
>>1790366I would say Nicholas Galitzine in certain recent movies like Bottoms or Red White & Royal Blue, but he's 29 so he might be "past the wall" to some nonas lol. Also he keeps playing gay men despite being straight for some reason
>>1790381nta but once again, you keep responding to other anons mad for things they haven't said. I was the one who kept telling you to post your moid you schizo
No. 1790391
>>1790385>using pretty as an insultOh so your 3D husbando really
is ugly. Thanks for the confirmation
No. 1790403
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>>1790400You have to be joking.
No. 1790421
>>1790414their post wall moids would never choose their average asses either
>>1790403 is dating a woman waaaay out of his reach
No. 1790437
>>1790432They're seriously calling us lesbians for not being attracted to this
>>1790403. The brainwashing runs deep
No. 1790440
>>1790436what would you like to fight about
nonny, im here
No. 1790450
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>>1790439Sleeping Dead, yeah. This is basically the only manga I've ever seen with a balding man tho, and the mangaka is known for being ~subversive~ so I wouldn't take it as indicative of anything. Even when there are 40 yr old men in BL, they're still draw like they're 25 and just get two lines under their eyes to signify age
No. 1790456
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>>1790450he looks like a pedo uncle i cant handle the ugly man propaganda anymore when will it stop
No. 1790465
>>1790458nice
nonny we will be rommies when your husband dies and your children leaves you, but i would have lived a life of pleasure while you were changing diapers and watching cocomelon
No. 1790491
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The reason why we will never have hot men in media again is because of these fucking pickmes. I hate them so much.
No. 1790492
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>>1790485NTA but wow you sound really upset. Here, take a hit of this
(derailing) No. 1790494
>>1790491This level of chimpout all because we want to look at hot men in movies. They can't even let us
look at attractive men god I hate this world
No. 1790499
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>>1790494what do you mean you dont like 30yo+ mature interesting men with chiseled chins, are you a pedo? you will never be picked like me and have a baby and a loving husband twice my age and you will be abandoned and a lonely cat lady you are also bpd btw
No. 1790506
>>1790436Going to be completely honest I don't tend to go for manga with 2d younger looking dudes because their bodies tend to be drawn so flat and empty.
That's just a 2d thing though, 20s and 30s tend to be drawn more or less the same.
No. 1790509
>>1790502>>1790501>who you find attractive is not a personal preference????
Also I just said I like black men, I might like my men older but I think Pedro Pascal is ugly kek
No. 1790511
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Tranny in the new doctor who anniversary special. Gross and cringe.
No. 1790521
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>>1790511Gross. And why is doctor who still running? I thought it'd have died off by now
No. 1790540
>>1790531The fujo vs yume fight is always shitty and the same old argument
>>1790533I'd have the same mindset if I didn't find out moids (from the soyjack place) have in the past caused and participated in the fujo vs yume fights
No. 1790549
>>1790541Haven't Korean fandom gotten mad at something recently?
Something to do with Maple story
No. 1790553
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>>1790549Korean incels were mad because Maple Story had included an image of a girl using squinting fingers in their collab. They believed the animators were Korean feminists and did it on purpose to mock their small penises. I'm being genuine by the way
No. 1790556
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>>1790549When is Korean fandom not mad at anything? Those people are insane. I still remember how a bunch of Koreans attacked someone who edited an enstars boy to look like a different enstars boy. Good times.
No. 1790561
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>>1790549The moid ones, yes. It was over a single animator from a studio being a feminist. The moids compiled a whole compilation of anything resembling the 🤏 emoji (popular among KR feminists to mock small penises) from the animation studio basically claiming that one animator was inserting her feminist views. The animation studio caved into the incels, apologized for what the employee did, and aren't allowing her to do editing and PV work anymore
No. 1790562
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Speaking of pickmes, it's literally insane how the run all female-targetted media. I had to stop consuming it because it's all weird maledom shit. I am not even asking for femdom, just NORMAL shit. I used to pick and drop so much fucking shojo anime as a kid until i completly gave up on the genre because it was so abusive. I recently found a really good shoujo artist and i adore her manga. It's just cutesy love romance with interesting characters and some drama, there isnt weird shit involved and its from the 80s. Genuinely cant believe an 80s manga mogs the living shit out of all modern romance anime shit. Dont even get me started on how the western side has devolved, now it's all maledom shit with abusive characters. I blame it on the boom of abusive media like 50 shades, 3 meters above the sky, 365, etc. Just pure cringe why cant at least have variety.
No. 1790573
>>1790564I wouldn't care if it's just adult women reading this garbage but unfortunately so many teen girls read these books and form their ideas of what their ideal relationship with a man looks like. And you just know these are the
only books they read, it's so damaging
No. 1790587
>>1790578the 2010s+ have been a pushback for feminism.
Abusive ''romance'' movies, ddlg, lana del rey pedo coquette shit, kinkshaming becoming a thing, fujo harrassment for ''fetishizing le poor ol gays'', maledom becoming the ''female gaze'' default, women infantilizing themselves with gugu gaga sanrio head empty shit, the rise of pickmes. It's a horrendous time to be a woman even though it shouldnt.
No. 1790627
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>>1790595The Korean wave has to be one of the most detrimental cultural exports to occur. Korean moids are horrible and Kdramas and Kpop has memed women into thinking they're perfect, pure, caring husband material unlike their local scrotes meanwhile the average Korean moid looks like picrel and reees about feminazis. While the state of gender relations in Korea is horrible and kdramas brainwash Korean women into romanticising horrible moids and situations (which also creates the perfect dynamics for a worthwhile feminist movement), it's definitely done worse on the Kboos since they don't have to face the reality of Korean moids everyday and are only shown a fantistical version of them to idolise, turning them into an army of pickmes ready at Korean moid's disposal. It's always the foreigners, typically SEAns, who end up defending the vilest of Korean men, literal criminals, after Korean women have already turned on them. I don't know how you wouldn't end up peaking living in a cucked country which gives into manchildren constantly throwing tantrums over a fucking hand symbol and witchhunting every woman they possibly can because they believe they're oppressed because of muh military service but women's issues, paticularly sexual crimes, are disregarded, then Becky from Ohio comes along and chastises you that making fun of Korean moids dick sizes is racist because she listens to bts and her husbando most certainly is packing and said he loves everybody regardless of gender.
No. 1790631
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>>1790561>>1790595>>1790627Korea truly is the best showcase of unrestrained capitalism and materialism does to a society, even the feminists seem very materialist based judging from what I've seen.
No. 1790668
>>1790578I would be more willing to think about angles like that if this shit wasn't just repackaged bodice-rippers that are allowed to get more extreme and weird due to slipping publishing standards and the coombrained mindset of the audience desiring those greater extremes. This stuff has similar qualities to batshit soap operas that make it a 'ride' and easy to vlog about (helping it to get popular on social media), is easy to read because it's at a low reading level and highly formulaic, is full of angst and drama so it's 'juicy', geared for self-insertion by having the protagonist be an empty husk, and all of the sex and relationship tropes are ones that tie into some of the most basic and common female fantasies (or the motivation behind them) but exaggerated into a more grotesque and modern form. It's like edgy coom fanfiction but for normies, you know the kind, but instead of there being only a small percentage of a given fandom's fics like that, it's an entire literary genre/market without limit or reprieve, of both traditional and self-published content, so the readers never run out or have to move on to something more normal/chill/healthy. Fried dopamine receptors and all that.
This stuff was inevitable once women were able to more freely express their sexuality and sexual interests (not saying that's a bad thing by default btw) or in some spaces are outright not allowed to be criticised or questioned for only reading progressively more extreme porn scenarios masquerading as romance books.
No. 1790710
>>1790643ayrt, I don't think western moids are better. My point was exactly that those women have been deluded into thinking Korean moids are not like other moids and end up becoming pickmes for them specifically. Like
>>1790646 said, you often see weebs and kboos thinking EA is better than the west so I think the "hate" is just realistic pushback against the fantasised ideal they have of those countries. The way those countries and their men/women get idealised is often contrary, re right wing moids who think it's the land of pure, submissive waifus in their rightful place (below men) unlike the woke west vs women disillusioned from the moids in their own country thinking there's wholesome, respectful prince charmings who'll treat them right waiting for them there etc.
No. 1790721
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>>1790627Inshallah she will reign, may her will be done
No. 1790731
>>1790627Truth. The more I learn about the Korean society the more dystopic it sounds. Women are bottom feeders, racism is incomprehensible and corruption is quite literally everywhere, if you're rich and famous enough you can do pretty much anything with no consequences even with the public's blessing. Korean incels are a next thing coming and should have their own thread, remember the time they got a female gaming company empoyee fired because they dug up her old tweets where she, in a VERY tame and milquetoast fashion, defended feminism? And now she's an evil feminazi? Or when they got mad at a female archer from their olympic team because she had short hair? I guess the reason koreaboos are so unhinged and psychotic is that you have to have some delusional tendencies to be able to look past all this shit.
>he loves everybody regardless of gender.The Korean soft power machine was really working overtime trying to make their bands seem progressive to western palate but still pander to the homophobic society back home. You know those boys are drugging and raping fans and laughing about it, I swear Burning sun wasn't an anomaly.
No. 1790748
>>1790562I would love to read an essay on why this devolution happened. Both shoujo and otome in general have become glorified rape porn and women are squeeing over how hot it is, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack trying to find normal stuff that also isn't overly saccharine fluff with no thought put into it. Every time I pick up a 80's shoujo the difference is staggering.
>>1790573>And you just know these are the only books they read, it's so damagingThis is the problem right here, I don't think it's that bad to read dark fiction but young women
only reading wattpad stories about troubled hot guys abusing women is genuinely worrying and it's no wonder so many cases of a sadboy grooming tons of young girls are popping up.
No. 1790753
>>1790643>Western moids travel to Asia and Africa to have sex with children, asians usually do not.What are you even talking about, yes they do. Japanese, Korean and Chinese men travel to SEA countries all the time to fuck kids, it's a very well known fact in those countries. In fact Koreans and the Chinese are the biggest clientele of child prostitutes in Philippines, Vietnam and Cambodia.
https://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/01/30/2013013001376.html Koreaboos are absolutely delusional thinking their sugar roll bts husbando wouldn't rape a kid because his fancams are so cute and funny.
No. 1790767
>>1789720Oh boy do I have the perfect combination of both of those for you
>>1788389 I love this type of crazy like
>>1790556 too, I want to see more of the Tumblr one’s posts that anon better post more or I will hire a filipino assassin myself.
No. 1790830
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>>1787419fixed it for them
No. 1790842
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>>1789816Lena Luthor and Kara from supergirl, they were really popular on tumblr for a hot minute.
No. 1790859
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>>1789190Speaking as a fujo, if you go on basically any doujin site the top doujins for women will be BL 99% of the time.
Female otakus are almost ALWAYS presumed to be fujos or at least engage in BL for a reason.
No. 1790864
>>1790562same, i never really got into shoujo manga for this exact reason. what's the name of the 80s manga,
nonnie? i'm curious
No. 1790871
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>>1790561Kek as an mmofag Korean dudes are just like this, and it isn't even nexon's first experience with retarded spergs either. Just throw large enough of a tantrum and companies will listen.
Also the new maplestory update sucks unfortunately. Fuck new age
No. 1790877
>>1790731One of the most interesting things I've noticed is that whenever the topic of feminism/misogyny in Korea comes up on an English major platform, it will instantly be swamped by English speaking Korean men trying to convince everyone that the women in question are turbo femnazis and also ugly and also misogyny isn't that bad.
Also everyone should read Kim Ji-Young 1982, it's a short book on the struggles Korean women face. It's also the book Irene from Red Velvet was daring to mention she was reading after which a bunch of incels burned everything they owned with her face on it.
No. 1790914
>>1790906Ntayrt, but at least some of them are clearly mad that their hasubandos are getting railed kek like
>>1789247. And they clearly have a problem with existence of male homosexual content too, as "my hasubando having a vagina is better than turning him into faggot" and "fag-worshipper" would imply.
No. 1790923
>>1790916Kek, i see, nonna. Wish they'd just be honest, i can understand them not liking it. Wish we could just live in harmony.
>>1790920Oh, got you. Gayfag wouldn't come off as mad, honestly kek
No. 1790924
>>1790906In female-dominated fandom spaces, BL/Fujo content DOES dominate. That doesn't mean fujos are doing anything wrong, it's just stating how it is.
>>1790914That anon was fucking weird tbh. I don't want to see my husbando with a vagina ever thank you. All I'd personally want is for fandoms to be more easily sorted by type of content like most JP fandoms are. Most joseimukes are very much seperated into those that are fujos and those that are yumes, and it feels more peaceful for everyone involved.
No. 1790925
>>1790916You can't deny there's a clear, almost autistic, animosity from fujos at the mere concept ot hetero-content and yumes as well and to be honest I've noticed many times in this thread cases were some will simply either project what they beleive, conflate or not even read. When that anon posted about the manga rankings she wasn't implying that fujoshi should stop making gay content and cater to her. Same goes When
>>1789555 mentioned that there's a higher amount of M/M content, she wasn't talking about spicy straight shit at all but it was taken as such. Most egregious of all is when gendieshit and trannyshit infecting fandoms, multiple times, have been blamed on yumes by fujos when that's obviously not the case or when it's constantly parroted that there's an overwhelming amount of het-content but there's failure to recognize that 98.9% of it is moid pandering garbage.
No. 1790939
>>1790924>That doesn't mean fujos are doing anything wrong, it's just stating how it is. Fair enough, but anons in this thread repeatedly bring it up as an issue to be remedied at the expense of fujo content. that's what's being addressed here.
>>1790929Like said, non-Japanese fujos learned Japanese to do the scanlations themselves, they even translate for Japanese indie artists on twitter for free just so that they can share their work. For a lot of my fujo friends their main reasoning for learning Japanese was to be able to read all the series that don't get translations since the amount of BL series that get an official translation is miniscule even at the current time of digital releases. Even the most popular and high-selling BL series don't get official English translations until maybe years later, often the only series that do are oneshots that were cheap to license and push out.
>>1790931Because anons act like "all Japanese content this and that" when they clearly have no idea about it due to the language barrier or never having even been there in person. Calling it "humblebragging" is some PULL-tier weeb insecurity.
No. 1790949
>>1790944Get a job like all of the fujostaceys who are able to travel to buy boxes of doujinshi,
nonnie. Or just don't make broad statements about the joseimuke industry when you have no idea what you're talking about. It's free.
>>1790947That's not a problem with fujos then, is it? If the issue is that there aren't enough yumes to create and translate content then I don't know how people in this thread get so up and arms lashing at fujos dominating fandom spaces except due to immense jealousy. What fujos have is the result of literally decades of work so there's not much I can tell anons here than to roll up their sleeves and follow the example of Chinese fujos who are risking their lives printing their gay novels under the CCP rule.
No. 1790957
>>1790950Reading the conversation far upthread it's quite apparent that some anons are blaming fujos for "ruining fandom spaces" in a way that's clearly accusatory, and when they're told that most canon content is het aligned they say "but it's moidgaze" and default back to complaining about the fujo reign of terror in female spaces. The fact that the focus is always on fujo content being more popular and
not straight content being mostly garbage is obviously implicit. I'm talking about on a larger scale than just a few replies.
No. 1791011
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this is what some of you fujos sound like tbh
No. 1791014
>>1790950Okay but upthread there's literally some yumes blaming fujos for everything wrong with fandom (gendies, more fujo content than yume content, etc.).
But I agree there should be more female content being translated from japan officially. Even anime for women has dropped the ball. When was the last one that even came out that wasn't a shoujo?
No. 1791067
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>>1783129I first saw this with people trying to claim that Toph becoming the chief of police was the equivalent of making her a fascist. The reason the writers made Toph a cop was because that's a role usually given to strong, no-nonsense female characters (which Toph was). We were just having this discussion in another thread about how so many online Twitter types fetishize the concept of freedom to a point where they think anyone who assumes authority is a fascist. They also believe that anyone who tries to escape the rule of government (or who they claim is were trying to escape the government, such as cowboys and pirates) are queer hero's. Recently, after JK Rowling's situation, people decided that Harry becoming a Auror(a wizard detective) was a "red flag" about her actual horrible beliefs
No. 1791092
>>1791067>Toph created the first and only police systemThe Ba Sing Se city officials? Aang getting arrested multiple times in the series? Where did this person think the jails in the series came from if there were no police? What a fake fan.
>Harry Potter grew up and became a copOh, it's one of those people. Nevermind.
No. 1791116
>>1791105>Police need to (theoretically) serve the people, and the Dai Lee, while oppressive, were instead controlling them and never attempted to position themselves in service to the populace.Total misunderstanding of the history of policing and how such systems come to exist.
>They [Kyoshi Warriors] are not a police force, at best they are a local cultural militiaI agree they're not police, but does this imply that this women doesn't consider sheriffs to be police?
What does she consider the people who arrest Aang in Omashu? City guards are just another name for a police force. Historically, the concept of police start as an offshoot of the military. The state/dictator/king creates a force, normally men with some military training, who then enforce the law and prevent crime and civil disorder. Investigation, which is something that currently falls under police duties, usually evolves much later in these systems.
No. 1791160
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>>1791067sage for blogpost, I live in a crappy third world nation, where the police force is corrupt. My friends and I have personally endured harassment and leering from cops. one of my cousins was brutally beaten by a police officer who faced no consequences for their actions. Despite all of this, I still believe that a police force is necessary. I vividly remember the chaos and lawlessness that plagued our nation when there was no police presence. It was overrun by violent gangs. While we certainly advocate for police reform, we are not retards. We understand that without a police force, the situation would become so much worse. That's why it infuriates me to see Western leftists discussing the abolition of police.
No. 1791176
>>1791011Unironically based, I hope the fujo thread in /m/ uses this for the next threadpic but with the fujo-chan mascot's head edited in
>>1791067These people are honestly just projecting, they have this really burning need to talk about their 2deep4u politics allegories they just watched a documentary on and have to channel it into whatever cartoon they can just to have an excuse for their spergery. I doubt anyone actually reads this shit but just sees the header and the ingress and runs with it without ever witnessing the bonkers wall of text following them.
No. 1791186
>>1791160This is one of those opinions I can't say out loud in namespace but I agree with you. I absolutely do hate and distrust cops but the concept of enforcers of (non-corrupt) laws isn't inherently wrong. I used to agree with leftists when talking about police abolition or at the very least defunding the police and putting it more towards other community resources, but the fact a lot of them don't have answers what we should do instead is telling. If you ask a run-of-the-mill modern leftist (especially a male one) what to do about situations like reporting DV, they usually get a non-answer like "well the cops don't do anything about that anyway". Okay, that's true, but what's the
ideal result to win people over to your POV? (If anyone has answers fell free to reply)
No. 1791227
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>>1791186I have talked to a few, and their argument is basically that a person who commits a serious crime has the equivalent of a permanent record that people can be aware of. If they choose to engage with them, that's their choice
No. 1791239
>>1791227This comic pisses me off, and I also used to somewhat agree. These types always play down people's real concerns as completely irrational. "safety for whom? from what?" safety for women, from rapists, maybe? children from pedophiles? As if someone can "choose" not to interact with the exact kind of people that force themselves onto others. The entire movement is so much more concerned with the coddling of offenders than the safety and wellbeing of
victims- no time to create a support system for people victimized, we have to put all our effort into making sure the guy who did it can still get a job!
No. 1791253
>>1791227>I don't answer these questions anymoreCause you have no fucking answers kek
>>1791067What thread? I'm interested in reading the discussion
No. 1791271
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>>1790871>>1790872What I can't fully wrap my head around is why they don't listen to those protests though. Something similar happened with Project Moon, moids thought an illustrator included that same handsign and then dug up her old, since deleted, feminist tweets about how women shouldn't be filmed in bathrooms and that was enough for them to let her go. But why do korean companies give in to that pressure? Chinese moids were killing cats because they hated Scaramouche but hoyoverse didn't give a fuck and nothing happened. In PMs case they lost over half their playerbase overnight, but there hasn't been any real response to that, only the incels demands were met so far and those who were speaking out are getting sued
No. 1791275
>>1791227The flaw in the logic is that prison is not (exclusively) about protecting society from a perpetrator, it's about punishment, retaliation for the
victim, setting an example to prevent others from doing wrong and protecting the perpetrator from himself from future crimes.
No. 1791684
>>1791572Eh, the personality makes up for it.
A wimpy looking man like that getting caught off guard and backed into a corner.
It's not like it's that sort of smut story, anyway.
No. 1791699
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what is it with TIF-infested fandoms and she/her-ing male characters? is it just me or is this is becoming more common?
No. 1791706
>>1791699To repeat a quote I once heard: they're called 'headcanons' because some takes just need to stay
in your head.
No. 1791719
>>1791712>It used to mean "a character trait not mentioned in canon but cannot be disproven by canon either"Some of them already do this though because you can easily weasel your way into claiming a character isn't canonically "cis" since the creator never confirmed it/we didn't see their genitals/they could be post-op/etc. even if the creator's intentions are pretty obvious. People do the same thing with bisexual headcanons like "well just because he's attracted to women on screen doesn't mean he can't be attracted to men too" shit.
>>1791713>Why do they keep obsessively putting vitiligo in their fanart?It's an easy "look at how inclusive and progressive I am" signal since it's easier to draw than fat people (you actually have to be able to draw different body types) or visibly disabled people (no one wants to learn how to draw crutches or a wheelchair). Plus it's "aesthetic" and you can draw cool patterns/shapes or whatever.
No. 1791721
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the incest game creator got doxxed and is leaving the internet
https://vxtwitter.com/BepDelta/status/1729314383677813135 No. 1791875
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>>1791873I see this a lot with fujos who feminize and HC'd a male character, that they have literally nothing in common with their actual selves, except their names.
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>>1788205>>1788125You're based, and I love you.
No. 1791948
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>>1791873I think it's an interesting phenomenon that's been happening a lot more often in recent years. Part of it has to be that "fandom blanket" as you say, since the character is already known and there's no need to think of and then explain a backstory to the rest of the audience. But the artists doing it usually do like the base character which they then start adding other things they like onto over time and sometimes it ends up turning into an entirely new one. Though I did notice that those artists oftentimes just don't have OCs they are invested in and it's probably not because they think it's cringe (this process is arguably more cringe than making something new up) but because they don't have the creativity to make something or attention span to then build a universe around it. Not to mention that spending time making your own stories will feel less rewarding if you know you could've gotten more attention if you had used that same story for an AU. That infamous Kakyoin artist brujo_ari probably only managed to let go of the Jojo background because the audience got big enough to still support her for her style and designs alone
No. 1791964
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>>1791948Okay, but all art that has ever existed is inspired by the works of others. As the saying goes, 'no one is original.' I think, everyone takes ideas, but they change, mutate, and add or remove aspects they dislike. They also mix it with something completely unrelated
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>>1791948>brujo_ariWent to check her out and kek, most egregious example I've ever seen. At least she was honest about it
No. 1792005
>>1791964But this is a completely different issue. It's not taking something to create something new, it's taking a thing and modifying it to the point of unrecognizability while still insisting that it's still that thing. It would be one thing to be inspired by something and use that as a template for the things that you create but presenting your wattpad coffeeshop crossover au with complete redesigns for all characters as still being just "fan art" living off the exposure a title someone else popularized for you is being at least somewhat fradulent in my opinion. Whenever I've asked people about why they do this, the answer is always the same - they want the attention an established title brings them. They claim it's too much work to create a world and a story around characters but essentially do just that with their steampunk tavern AU with complex angsty relationships they came up with.
>>1792001Exactly, I actually see a lot of people saying unironically that they don't care about the original thing but prefer the fan version. People need to stop being so afraid of making original content.
No. 1792242
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reposting this from the fakeboi thread cause it fits better here. regarding the whole "queer pirates" fixation, even the media which portrays pirate in a positive light, acknowledges that they were plunderers and murders (and often rapists). Now historically around the world most pirates were basically generational bandits from coastal communities. They were doing it for loot and nothing more. During the golden age of piracy, these pirates were mostly former conscripted sailors and a few naval officers basically trying to make money without any taxes from the Government. When they were referred to as the "dregs of society", it wasn't because they were queer rebels. It was because they were lower-class peasants who were robbing the governments. Often, these rebels would side with the governments of other nations. So, English pirates would be offered amnesty by the French or Spanish if they only raided English ships, and vice versa.
with all that, even the most historically illiterate person can realize how retarded of a take vidrel is, I guess the only queer thing about the pirates was that they probably raped the cabin boy, but I can't imagine being this out of touch with reality.
No. 1792274
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>make incest game to appeal to 4chan moids
>act unbothered to "own the west"
>get doxxed by the 4chan moids
She honestly set herself up. What I think is funnier is how proshippers are spinning this as a "censorship" and "western fandom sucks" issue when it was done entirely by fans of the game who just thought she was a tranny. It's almost embarrassing to see all their tweets come up knowing they don't understand the situation outside their small bubble. When will they stop assuming everyone engages in the pointless proship vs antiship battle?
No. 1792280
>>1792274I agree with
>>1792274 the game finding appeal with coomer types was intentional(but not specifically 4chan)
No. 1792284
>>1792279She seemed to have had a genuine siscon fetish, at least imo.
Also didn't she make shota too?
No. 1792301
>>1792274If you can't stand the heat then don't get in the frying pan. You make a shitty game with edgy gorey incest and intentionally taunt people on your social media with "DIE MAD ABOUT IT LIBZ!!!111" level provocation and then run away with your tail between your legs. I agree that doxxing over simple coomerism is not justified and the people who did it should get fucked, but if you get into that game you have to be aware that some obsessed psycho will find out who you are.
However,
>muh proshippersHow many times does this thread have to tell you people to stop bringing this retarded discourse here?
No. 1792309
>>1792274Wasn't she doxed by the sharty? I keep seeing tweets and posts elsewhere and even friends talk about it being about western fandom, when to my knowledge it was done by a completely unrelated forum with some undoubtedly curious fans? Maybe I don't have the full picture but I don't think this is a proship vs anti battle either
>>1792301>but if you get into that game you have to be aware that some obsessed psycho will find out who you are. To this day I don't understand the purpose of trying to egg on the internet or goad people into doing something to you. Why would you do that? You better have the opsec or a spine to back it up or something. People on the internet are going to dig every piece of information on you eventually, why would you want to speed that up?
No. 1792319
>>1792316Contrarians.
Soyjak party didn't doxx her because they disagree with her, they did because they dislike how popular the game got.
It has nothing to do with shipping, just simply ruining things for others.
>stop liking things I don't like!!!!!! No. 1792320
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>>1792316The only "provoking" done was picrel. Nemlei doesn't have social media so it's not like she's fighting people online.
>>1792309Yeah the sharty did it. Regarding Nemlei's info specifically all they got out of it was an old email and Twitter account but they doxxed some other guy associated with her (people are saying it's her husband but it doesn't say that on the archive so idk). I don't think they tried to dox because of retarded proship/anti wars, probably just saw it as a challenge since she's really private. And also because a lot of trannies like the game.
No. 1792336
>>1792312>How many times does this thread have to tell you people to stop bringing this retarded discourse here?Person in the screenshot is a proshipper and lots of them are quoting the dox tweet as proof of antis enforcing cencorship. Also the OP of the thread literally says this discourse is apart of topics to be discussed.
>>1792323No one's saying she deserved it, they're just saying that if you appeal to a certain crowd, you can't be mad when that crowd acts according to their reputation. But also take your own advice and ignore people criticizing the game, it doesn't affect you
No. 1792390
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>>1792357No, they actually did doxx her husband.
No. 1792397
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>>1792390They also dug up this from itch.io so it seems pretty plausible the Finnish wife stuff is her.
No. 1792405
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Some zoomers caught onto the sharty being the doxxers, more proship/anti discourse and people being like "well you guys are the same!". Also some random thought farmers were behind the doxxing kek
No. 1792430
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>>1792420I wasn't even that offended by the game before but now I'm appalled. That's just so strange when you actually are a mother.
No. 1792442
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>>1792437I don't know, the art is pretty similar to hers
>>1792424 Picrel is her old art from her itch where she posted the Coffin game
No. 1792499
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>>1792382The first time I saw that was late 2021 with people who shipped Childe and Bennett, some of the artists who were into it actually ended up moving on to batman when the movie came out like
>>1792399 said. I think the word incel has been watered down a lot, now it basically applies to any disgusting guy who doesn't get dates. But I also remember there being drama about the "inceltaru" stuff because of this; some twitter users were fake outraged because real incels are sexist and drawing that AU therefore meant you hated women. But they were also mad because Bennett could be interpreted as underage (see prev threads where anons were fighting about him) while Childe could be an adult. Pointless discussions because they were mad someone else was having fun basically.
Usually those AUs are done to project, have a laugh at the character or make them seem more easily attainable and pathetic. I personally think it's funny every time, but only in gay ships or if the incel one is female. There's just something deeply satisfying about seeing my fave be tied down by some weird loser kek
No. 1792505
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>>1792424More on this, she uses the same way of drawing eyes, the same line weight, the same brushes, everything. It's a little more than a coincidence, and unless other artists with this style are given, it's pretty easy to say this is her.
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>>1792519>>1792523True, it's all a lot milder than I remember considering the drama kek I'm pretty sure some people do call it gamer or streamer AUs though, it's just that "incel" immediately makes you picture a certain kind of gamer. I don't think anyone who's making these is thinking about imageboard culture specifically and of course they'll stay in the safe zone in terms of edgyness
No. 1792611
>>1792600Childe obsesses over Aether, isn't that enough canon "bloodthirsty yandere and innocent younger guy" dynamic? I'm so confused, I genuinely don't understand why the western Genshin fandom seems to be obsessed with random crackships with the most clichéd wattpad tier dynamics that make people over 16 physically cringe because it's exactly like this shit
>>1791948 and I don't know if I'm too autistic or not autistic enough to appreciate it but nevertheless I digress
No. 1792641
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>>1792611It's just this one artist who's obsessed with Childe who made it popular but they started posting about it before the Windblume event where Razor and Bennett interacted iirc. It makes some sense to me because Bennett attracts monsters and Childe likes fighting them kek that's more than other genshin ships have going for them
No. 1792655
>>1792600It does have a few weirdly good artists, but too much tranny shit for my tastes, and such a sad waste. Personally, I don't find any of the short male characters attractive, especially Bennett- he doesn't have an appealing personality, either. I think they're just too scared to ship Childe/Teucer, lol.
>>1792611Most Childe/MC shippers are into ChiLumi, and I've seen plenty of yandere content for them. They just don't make these type of AUs, for the most part. There's probably similar content out there.
No. 1792804
>>1792789Several. Their typing styles and general lack of reading comprehension make it very obvious. We had this
>>1784167 last thread which was…yeah
No. 1793054
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>>1792499"I first saw it with the Shigaraki and later Riddler. From what I remember with Shigaraki, it was this bizarre form of woobification, but they also wanted him to still be a smelly loser who's kind of pathetic, yet still dangerous. I think picrel was the start of it
No. 1793064
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>>1792600>>1792641Put some respect on Ropi’s name. I even joined her stream one time and she seems fairly chill. It’s actually very refreshing to have a female fandom artist who doesn’t let ‘antis’ drag them down with their horseshit; and lord knows how many times they’ve tried to cancel her over ‘age-gap’ Chennett already.
Now that I’m mentioning it, these weirdo, forum type Genshin artists like Abbystea and Ropi have a certain unique charm to them. They’re both unbelievably autistic about one particular pairing and put a surprising amounts of attention to detail and care into their art. Never mind Abby’s more, er, concerning implications. Minus giving Abby any financial support for obvious reasons, I say let this type of artist be. They’re not doing any harm and are much more interesting to observe than the rest of this fandom’s slop anyway.
No. 1793119
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There's something about posts like picrel that just piss me off that I couldn't explain why before, but now I do. It's because pregnancy and childbirth is just so fundamentally connected to women's biology and that applying it to a male and then making it a degrading thing is so profoundly misogynistic.
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Classy.
No. 1793277
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>>1793211AYRT and that’s fair, you’re right. I was just trying to make a point about separating art and artist without invoking that specific phrase because it’s so ambiguous and leads to unnecessary debate. And on the topic of tracing models, that actually doesn’t bother me so much. I think artists are entitled to use any tools at their disposal within reason as long as it doesn’t impact the quality and purpose of their work. Abby has clearly chosen to model her style as a softer, more detailed versions of the in-game models, and in that respect she does what she does well. So it’s fine by me.
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>>1793152And then you have stuff like picrel, where it's just a writer using a superhero comic to expound their retarded politics and/or seethe about something, or blatantly insert their fetishes
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>>1793329Here's the full page btw, from Truth & Justice #5 by Brandon Easton.
No. 1793334
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>>1793328>"since women were unfairly fired, men should also be fired."Based. Insane that the comments are filled with moids crying about it
No. 1793340
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>>1793335Tbh it's old news at this point and not that interesting to look at. Her rendering is so clean that it makes everything look boring
No. 1793364
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"AO3 is run by Zionists" is trending. A few volunteers didn't like another volunteer saying the from river to sea thing and now the whole site is getting cancelled. The problem is these people don't realize that pretty much the entire existence of United States is based on support for Israel and you pretty much need to stop living if you genuinely want to do anything about it.
No. 1793370
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>>1793354‘Literal pedos’? ‘Stan’? Talking about = ‘actively supporting’? I know a she/they queer ‘proshit DNI’ performative activist twitterfag when I see one, nona. Do us all an favour and piss off back to the bird site, would you? Thanks.
No. 1793376
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>>1793369Final screenshot. It's Slack drama. These people are mostly programmers for OTW and any US-based work environment wouldn't allow anti-Israel statements be voiced on shared communication platform. This whole fandom pro-Palestine movement needs to start picking their battles if they actually want any results to happen (they won't, though).
No. 1793393
>>1793086>Imagine being an author, having some people armchair psychologist "code" your work seems so uncomfortable and creepy to me.That's just the inevitable conclusion of publishing something to the public. If I ever become a creator I'll stay far away from my fandom because I know what they'll do to it. I'm mostly confused how fandom has twisted the concept of "X-coding"; Things like coding a character as LGB during the Hayes Code (or in children's shows pre-2010) or non-human characters as an equivalent to a real world race/culture are
intentional. It's saying it without explicitly spelling it out. Nearly all claims of "trans coding" isn't, it's usually just a character going through basic 101 life struggles the gendies think they have a monopoly on.
>>1793146>>1793154"Cis" is just the default/normal but you're right. And it's mainly indie creators IME who get pressured, because they're easy targets. It's easy to LARP as indifferent-supportive because the gender crowd salivates for any kind of attention. The worst of what's going on in the media is from the fandomtards who made it into the business. It's a mix of degens taking advantage of capitalism (weird since they're supposed to be against that, unless it involves their "identities").
No. 1793394
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People are already shilling an alternative site that no one is going to care about in 3 days.
No. 1793401
>>1793365>>1793364I don't understand though, why
did they warn someone for using "from the river, to the sea"? AO3 is an anti-censorship as it gets.
No. 1793407
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>>1793394Doesn’t look too bad, actually. It’s clearly just Ao3 2.0 which is a smart move on the creator’s part. You’re right that everyone will conveniently forget all about it in a week though, if even that long.
No. 1793410
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>>1793404>two strikesyou are such an obvious obnoxious twitterfag, leave.
No. 1793447
>>1793384I have no issue with it but it would be something else if they either support the ideology or glorify them I'm not going to ignore the nazi uniform is kind of pleasing to the eye as it was designed to be
I was in the hetalia fandom but if the artist was using the money they got from their art to support a neo nazi group that'll be different
No. 1793455
>>1793450america and britain are still doing damage to several countries to this day. anglos are the most
toxic and damaging empire in the last hundreds of years. I would know how america fucked my shit up because I'm from LATAM.
No. 1793467
>>1793319>>1793211Anon you can't criticize weeb artists on here, you should know that
Jk but seriously, every time I scroll past this thread it's anons arguing that you're wrong for not liking what some artist/writer/whatever is doing. This is a site built around talking about cows, anons aren't going to approve of everything the topics of discussion are doing.
No. 1793469
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>>1793465They're just twitterbrained. Nobody is supporting Nazis, we just said the uniform is hot (which is the truth). Feel bad for the people who can't appreciate good male fashion
No. 1793500
>>1793472Considering you unspoilered it when it was obvious what I posted, clearly
you wanted to see it lmao
No. 1793510
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Anyway, let's get back to the issue of people who actually seem to believe their fanfiction induced HC's as the actual story and characterization of a series.
No. 1793513
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>>1793512You’re asking a Nigerian? You need a colour chart to help you out there mate, or?
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>>1793473>You are british which is miles worseI kekked
No. 1794389
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So, I don't know if this belongs here, but Tillie Cole is an author who writes trashy Amazon romance books featuring murderers, bikers, and usual "dark romances". a few years back she wrote a book that centers around a KKK skinhead member falling in love with the daughter of a Mexican drug cartel. However, in 2023 booktwt/booktok discovered this and have labeled it as "the KKK romance novel," even though it clearly isn't. I've read the book excerpt's and it unequivocally portrays both the KKK and the cartels as despicable. Now, I'm not claiming it's a genius work of art that needs to be preserved, but it's concerning that people are accusing an author she obviously doesn't hold and also fetishizing non-white women, when she's not white herself.
like this excerpt is very obviously framing this statement as a bad thing, The mere thought of these words being uttered is sufficient to make these overly sensitive morons piss their pants in fear.
No. 1794454
>>1794389i wish i could lobotomize the women who write this kind of shit. Not because i give a shit about what they write, but because they glorify
abusive moids to an autistic degree and the romance genre is already infested by
abusive moids. You know what would be super duper quirky and ground breaking? a romance novel where the moid love interest isnt an
abusive shithead.
No. 1794580
>>1794546nta, but i get her. Imagine being attracted to the sex that commits 98% of crimes, who has extremely high societal and physical standars you have to perform daily while they get fatter and balder every year, and that dating them makes you at risk of becoming a domestic abuse/rape/murder
victim, and instead of creating fiction to scape all of that you make romance where the love interest is
abusive/old/ugly and you are constantly berated and abused. I am fucking ashamed of my fellow straight women, they suffer from serious stockholm syndrome and should be shamed more often for it.
No. 1794631
>>1794580Sometimes I start believing the shit incels say about women only being attracted to violence cause you ask them to write out their sexual fantasies and 90% of the time this
abusive crap is what you get. I'm literally ashamed of being a hetero woman sometimes, like these are not my sisters. Sorry
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>>1793364The OP of the AO3 Palestine stuff (bjorn) wrote NSFW RPF of a minor, lots of her work include rape/incest/extremely underage elements. For reference Tommyinnit was born in April 2004 and picrel was when he was 16-17. She's around the same age as him so she's not a pedophile but publishing NSFW of real minors is still weird as fuck. What are your guys' thoughts?
No. 1794695
>>1794580>Imagine being attracted to the sex that-People are
born with their sexualities, it's not a conscious decision. I'm.not defending whatever they did, but their sexuality is not something they can change, grow up
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>>1794724NORMALIZE SNU-SNU
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>>1794044>Japan has more genre variety with rpg maker like actual rpgs, horror, and porn.And you won't even mention her name
Ironically also made by a finn
No. 1794759
>>1794709I already read it, it's still trash
>Imagine being attracted to the sex that commits 98% of crimesThese were your words, implying that women are at fault not only for their innate sexualities but also by men's wrongdoings. You could've word it better, I understand women can have a choice on what they consume but acting so flabbergasted at their sexuality is strange
No. 1794791
>>1794772I didn't call you gay though, funny you assumed that, maybe people tend to assume you're a polilez too often? I wonder why
>>1794776Yeah, I understand her point but I think she has a few lose screws with the way she perceives other straight women
No. 1794801
>>1794788Honestly, play it and judge for yourself, the game is worth playing if you're into Berserk-type lore, Darkest Dungeon or Fromsoft games. It plays like OG Dark Souls where learning is the most important resource in the game and very stupid minor mistakes can fuck up your run. I recommend it
if you're not a twittertard whose panties are twisted so hard the wedgie is cutting off circulation to their brain. There's also a censor mod to remove all the (few) sexual references. sage for OT, can't believe finns are the vanguard of western RPG maker horror games kek.
No. 1794809
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Please just shut up already. This thread has been back to back infights from the start. I think it's time to close up shop
No. 1794848
>>1794772>>1794788I've played it, the game is honestly pretty fun but tough.
Tbh, the "rape" scenes are quite literally just a few pixels moving back and forth for two seconds before cutting to black and they're very easy to avoid if you just cut dicks off.
No. 1794909
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You retards are gonna get the thread deservedly locked.
+1 for changing the next thread name to online fandom drama. Neither twitter/tumblr nor the word discourse should be used, it's attracting newfaggotry like a kid in a candy store.
No. 1794912
>>1794909The worst part is that you know it's not bait, they are legit that retardd. It sucks because this is the only place you can discuss about how misogynistic fandom, specially fandoms targetted at women like the YA genre, trully are. I would actually like to have a deeper conversation as to why the romance genre turned so misogynistic and
abusive instead of an escapist fantasy where women can dream about romance without the abuse we are subjected to every day irl, but it's impossible with this level of mental retardation.
No. 1795177
>>1794764Is it Twitterfag thing to not like nsfw of real minors now? I didn't even say the writer was a pedophile or that it was CSEM, just that it was weird.
>>1795119>spoilered a screencap of an AO3Fanfuc synopsisYes I spoilered it because some retard earlier called an image of two yaoi nazi boys standing porn and thought not everyone would want to see those tags unspoilered.
>"What are your guys' thoughts?"Would you have preferred me to say "nonnas, what do you think?" or something? Who cares. I've written the same line in other threads and didn't have people complaining over it, why are you guys so schizo ITT?
(infighting) No. 1795200
>>1794912>why the romance genre turned misogynisticSomething must have changed when women gained rights. Like unless there's a plethora of female-written
abusive romances from pre 1900s that I've not heard about, this is a modern issue. Maybe it's a result of having male-written romances for so long and having so few Jane Austins and Charlotte Brontes.
No. 1795227
>>1795200I'd argue that it never turned 'misogynistic', but that it's kind of doomed to always be. Contemporary romance fiction has more to do with bodice-rippers than Austin or Brontes' work (though their style of novel does influence certain types of romances, the current trends lean towards smut and self-insertion and these novels are not the ones anons have been referring to here), as these books were the most accessible form of escapist porn available to a lot of normie women. Generations of readers and authors later, combined with women having more freedom to express themselves sexually and engage with explicit material without stigma, you get current romance (smut, really) trends (this is also a genre that's pretty secluded and left to its own devices, so it stays pretty stagnant). The foundation was shit, basically, so no matter what it was going to go to even more shit.
I think being safe/sheltered also plays a part in this as well, as while yes, a tragically large number of women have suffered from
abusive relationships, there are plenty to whom the concept is completely alien, so it's easier for them to fantasise about these things. The idea of say, a man who controls their lives, coerces them into sex they don't want, doesn't listen to them when they say no (but it always feels good, in the end), and treats them like his property is so foreign that it's just hot and dramatic to the reader.
At least, that's what my guess is, I'm probably wrong kek
No. 1795407
>>1795005I'm not trying to have an oldfag-off with you, but telling everyone you disagree with to "go back to twitter" isn't as riveting as you think it is.
>>1794909This thread shouldn't even exist. The last fandom psychology thread was basically the same as this thread, and was locked due to infighting as well. Discussion of fandom will lead to arguments even if it's presented differently. This thread has become less a discussion of the discourse and now people just arguing their stances on the discourse. We came to make fun of and discuss the drama, not take a side on it
No. 1795498
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>finally find art of my husbando in fucked up scenarios amidst all the shit storm about uwufying him
>time 2 explore
>go to artist's account
>find dead dove don't eat in bio
>celebrate
>scroll more
>it's a troon
Then repeat process for about 15 other accounts. I spend so much time on the boards that I forget most "proship" people aren't my based bitch sisters and are actually just retarded tifs.
No. 1795991
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Just found this screenshot on reddit, I think it fits here.
No. 1796033
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I don't know how to feel about this.
No. 1796439
>>1796033The game was not good so what would this even be about?
>>1796043Because it took her almost 10 years to release it lmao
No. 1796492
>>1795498I had the exact same experience. They insert their trans shit in all of their DDNE too which is annoying. I wonder why it attracts so many genderspecials. Maybe the closer to
problematic content a person is the more likely they'd troon out for rebellious counterculture reasons, TIFs in that space always seem like edgy tryhards.
>>1796454Western writers are really uninspired now. They manage to make half of fics be either modern AUs, ABO, copy and paste PWP, or some combination of the three. There was more effort years ago now it's just trashy coom, the occasional troon jumpscares only make it worse.
No. 1796578
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So this is what I mean when I talk about how a lot of people in shipping culture are in complete denial of reality or well actual story. All these reactions are regarding Jason Todd/RedHood and a character called Artemis from a now concluded series. Here's the thing: I didn't like this pairing either because I felt it was too rushed, and I would have preferred if they remained more like friends. However, none of these replies are actual criticism; they just insist that Jason and Artemis are gay or from male troons insist that Jason is a sub-bottom and Artemis totally pegs him. They are completely operated by their own fan-fiction/porn-induced canons essentially.
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>>1796578>>1796701>>1796589it's because the vast majority of voice actors at the time were former actors, some had quite long careers but around the 2010s that started to change, we started getting more and more theater kids and failed LA rejects in their twenties with literally nothing do offer then doing funny internet voices.
No. 1796980
>>1796493New anime is so insufferable to watch. Incredibly grating on the ears, and the art style is always so bland and takes on the WORST fashion/aesthetic trends. I blame the weebs for the shitty dubs though. They constantly screech about the authenticity of dubs when the whole point of a translation is that it's understandable to the audience it's for. That's why nothing is never directly translated from the original dialogue.
I'd argue that localized translations get the job done in a majority of cases, and also sound more organic. If someone wants to keep the authenticity of the anime than they should just watch the shit with subtitles.
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>>1796998>>1797044I don't think they hate Japanese stuff; they are undeniably weebs. However, I once followed a few translators on twitter, and they are terminally online. They are obsessed with trying to "own the chuds" or whatever and seem to be focused on making a handful of moids with anime pfp mad, rather than making a quality dub. Like, I speak multiple languages, and I get that there will always be a certain depth with translations that may not be fully grasped, but the issue isn't some translation not being accurately literal or whatever; it's a character using a Twitter term that will lose relevance in two month's time or an unfunny meme references. I really don't know why so many "queer" people are in anine dubbing either, like this person(Sarah Moon) is an asexual, polyamorous woman married to a man (I don't know how that works either)
No. 1797475
>>1796493>The male voices sounded pathetically whiny, and the female actors were dreadfully bland, resorting to the most insufferable cutesy voices.you literally just described the average seiyuu.
>>1796893the best voice actors are the ones who had experience in acting (whenever it was stage or movie). English voice actors sucks because they are anime fans who wanna achive meme status and their CV is fandubs. Japanese seiyuus sucks because they are pseudo-idols who are trained to look good in front of a camera and promote the latest animes. While seiyuus usually have an impressive range and can make all sort of different voices they are bad actors. Their idea of a funny line delivery is just shouting while going EEEEH. Their idea of a sad line delivery is just shouting until your voice sound soar. Older animes didn't have this problem but when otakus got obsessed with seiyuus agencies started training seiyuus in how to build a devoted fanbase, rather than training them in how to become good actors
>>1797205the editing and smugness is highly obnoxious
No. 1797543
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(Picrel is just one instance of a larger trend that pisses me off, but I'm using it here because it was the straw that broke the camel's back.) I am so fucking sick and tired of these 'if you like yaoi, why not yuri' or 'why do people who love X male character not love Y female character' or 'fandom is obliged to make more waifu slash yuri content' type posts I see cropping up on my feed. Do you know why I don't make more waifu or lesbian shit? Because I have to spend 70 hours a week studying for my degree, and when I log on to relax and enjoy my stupid characters and fanworks, I want to look at hot men. That is it. I want to look at sexy men and relax. I have no interest in this stupid fucking 'performative activism' of pretending to enjoy yuri or waifu media when I'm not gay and I couldn't give less of a flying fuck. I will never be into breasts and you, for all your guilt tripping twitter tactics, could never in a million years pay me to. If you want waifu content, then make it yourself. Lazy, virtue-signalling bunch of gits.
No. 1797576
>>1797543Shit like this is so annoying coming from someone who genuinely enjoys yuri/female characters. Twitter himejoshis still have the gall to act surprised when people find them annoying. No, I'm not lesbophobic, you're just fucking obnoxious. All of this complaining about GL/female characters not getting as much attention as their male counterparts is so asinine to me, why do you care about what other people enjoy? It's not like complaining about achieves anything either, it just leads to people making generic "omg step on me queen" tweets and shitting up the F/F tag with their one-liner yuri sideship because they think by doing so they're fighting male supremacy. They're too lazy or talentless to make shit themselves so they have to guilt others into doing it but even then they'll still complain if it doesn't live up to their made up woke standards.
>>1797560If it's a Genshin fan most of the time it's not even a tranny complaining but some 15 year old comphet polilez. I don't know why but Genshin has the most annoying yuri fanbase.
No. 1797588
>>1797560This is annoying, becomes sometimes I'm retarded enough to take the bait and give recs when they cry about there not being enough content because I want to talk to people about it.
They either ignore it with "well, but thats not enough!" Or immediately start nitpicking the shit out of what it looks like, how there's something wrong with it that doesn't fit their ideal box.
I've long since given up trying, so at least I'm not embarrasing myself by talking to walls.
No. 1797589
>>1797576First AYRT and yep, the Genshin yuri fandom is at least 50% of why I even made this post. It's so bad that even shipping yaeyato (which is super cute and pretty tame) gets you crucified as a 'lesbophobe' when neither character has confirmed sexualities or relationships. Not even heavily implied, just unconfirmed. But for them, 'coded' is as good as canon.
Also, they centre their entire personalities on hating yaoi fans rather than just enjoying yuri. A lot of the comments they make even end up coming across as hilariously homophobic and by extension, hypocritical, such as 'I hate gay male ships'… the kind of comment that would have you hung, drawn and quartered if you dare utter the same sentiment back at them.
>>1797581Like I said, it's part of a wider trend. The picrel isn't even a good example, but I'll try and find a better one seeing as some recent tweets similar to picrel have tens of thousands of likes.
No. 1798077
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This is a discussion I think you can never get through with wokies, regarding casting very specific ethnic groups for their accurate portrayal. I witnessed this with Avatar casting as well, and it's bizarre to see people on twitter claiming that finding a cast of real Inuit actors to play the water tribe characters for it to be more accurate. when it would be damn near impossible, there were probably more people auditioning for katara and sokka than there are Inuits in the world. These people have no idea about the huge mass of population necessary for a fraction of those to opt for a privileged career such as acting, and a fraction of those to have the necessary age, gender, and look. As for the casting of Roma people, it's even more complicated. Most don't pursue careers in the arts at all, and every gypsy group will be heavily mixed with local populations, so they aren't a proper racial group. I have seen a reply to this suggesting, 'then just cast "Indian" actors,' as if that would be the same in anyway.
No. 1798094
>>1798077This argument is so annoying. I understand representation is important but where are they gonna find gypsies to act? Just get whoever is good for the job. All thse people do is scream behind a screen and accomplish nothing in life.
Neil Patrick Harris played straight characters for 90 percent of his roles. Is that also taking away? No.
No. 1798105
>>1798101… do they give a reason why that would fix it? maybe I'm just dumb but I'm not connecting the dots kek
A lot of recent casting in live-action media (or even recent fancasts) feels like it doesn't mesh very well with character design, whether as stated in the script or as depicted in the original media if it's visual, like a comic or animation. Casting is an element of storytelling in film, so it needs careful consideration rather than just picking whoever is popular or whatever (obviously picking someone with the intent of having them play against type is not what I'm talking about, as usually that's done intentionally to subvert expectations or even add nuance to a character by making them more distinct/unusual).
No. 1798112
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>>1798105>… do they give a reason why that would fix it? maybe I'm just dumb but I'm not connecting the dots kekGypsies are originally from north-west India, so by that logic, twitter leftists assume that they should only be portrayed by Indian actors…. Yeah, the average twitter leftist/activist is even more unbelievably ignorant then most extreme right-wingers. I have seen this trend for the past few years where characters who were stated to be gypsies are drawn as dark-skinned Indian caricatures.
No. 1798132
>>1798112Thanks, I get it now kek, but it is kinda odd that these people always jump to the origins/root of a group/people rather than what would be accurate for the correct time period and location of the story/the character and their background. There's also people who seem to have this idea that darker skin = more foreign and therefore more accurate/true depiction which is… odd, especially in regards to groups that have medium to fair skin in reality and historically.
With your picrel, its not too bad here but I just wish artists who make raceswaps like this would adjust the rest of the character's design a bit to match their changes (mostly just hair and outfit colour/saturation) so that it doesn't lose the same contrasts and design elements of the canon version. It's a nitpick I know, but it would make the changes stronger or keep them from outright clashing.
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>>1798132>>1798077I mean gypsies are so mixed, with so many people across the Middle East and Europe, that it really is impossible to box them into a single racial/ethnic group; it's more of a cultural/linguistic identity than anything.
No. 1798272
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In these past few threads, there has been a lot of discussion about the cultural and political changes that have transformed fandom culture into what it is now, these factors are very important, However, I believe it is equally important to understand how media consumption has evolved in recent times. No one watches TV anymore, not even little kids. All my younger cousins never even touch the TV and are on their phones all day. The same goes for many adults; I know so many who only use a laptop or computer. when I was younger a television premiere for a single episode was a big deal. Now, a show is released, you binge-watch it, and people make fan art (and porn) for a month on Twitter, and then it's over.
It's also messed up that Twitter has become the sole space for fandom and discussion, which has contributed to the messy state of fandom culture.
No. 1798339
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>>1798115AYRT; Nona could you even begin to imagine if these retards approached straight men, demanded that they 'try' yaoi and call them homophobic when they inevitably get grossed out or at the very least aren't interested in massive, swinging anime dicks? Why are we female nerds any different? I suspect it's because of this weird assumption that female sexuality is 'fluid' whereas male sexuality is not. What a load of bollocks. No hate to any lesbian/bi anons out there, keep doing your thing, but I'll never want to fuck a woman. Too bad, so sad, twitter retards.
No. 1798354
>>1798339>Why are we female nerds any different? I suspect it's because of this weird assumption that female sexuality is 'fluid' whereas male sexuality is not. I think it's a strange mix of what you said and these people thinking that yaoi and yuri are supposed to be 2deep4u LGBTBBQ representation instead of just entertainment like any other genres. Even in that recent French article about how yaoi is getting more and more popular and lucrative in France one guy working for a publishing company who got interviewed talked about how he wants muh queer representation to be more important so he wants yaoi and yuri to be less niche. Even a guy working in that industry conflated yaoi, yuri and irl gay shit. Another guy from another company was way more realistic about it and said that yaoi will always be niche in France because most fans tend to already be huge nerds to begin with so they know what they want to read. Female otaku shouldn't have to prove anything to anyone, we just have hobbies, characters we like, pairings we like and I wish I wouldn't have to justify anything to random retards on the internet who don't pay my bills. I already get judged and am expected to have specific SJW opinions irl as soon as I go outside for being a
woc or whatever the fuck, give me a fucking break.
No. 1798481
>>1798339>I suspect it's because of this weird assumption that female sexuality is 'fluid' whereas male sexuality is not.Not only that, but being "queer" is trendy for liberal women, unlike men. Nerdy men become TIMs, but nerdy women who don't want to be TIFs just decide that they're "lesbians with comphet" and use fandom as their pissing ground for politics. Women are socialized to care more about the world's problems than men, it's why vegans and other progressive self-righteous extremist ideologies tend to be women. Nearly all of them are self-hating bisexual/straight polilez too, they spend more time headcanoning canon male characters as TIMs or talking about how they hate fujoshi/yaoi than talking about their waifus or favorite female characters. They think that if they chose to call themselves a lesbian for political reasons then other women can/should too.
It gets me how they spend more time complaining about what they don't like than focusing on what they do. I've gotten into series or gave ships a chance from seeing people I follow have fun and gush about it, not guilt trip me into it. I get most female characters are badly written but in the lesbian servers I'm in they just make their own OCs or at least have one female blorbo/ship they like.
No. 1798551
>>1798538i see what you mean and i agree it's also cringe. i feel like the moralfagging has also fueled the sort of edgelording you're talking about, partly because of how the blah blah DNI carrd culture encourages people to constantly announce any minor deviation to avoid
triggering other spergs and getting called out etc. cue people who are into uwu
problematic stuff putting "yeah i'm a sicko freak hehe" or similar shit in all their bios and posts like 13 year olds.
No. 1798590
>>1798339female nerds always get the short end of the stick
>like to draw/read/write yaoi? then you must draw/read/write yuri or you are lesbophobic!meanwhile male nerds throw a temper tantrum every time a new fujo fanservice anime is released and refuse to watch anything with hot men in it
>you are a female artist and write/draw something slightly problematic? then you are scum of the earth a pedophile, racist, homophobic, transphobic irredemable garbage and will be run out the internetmeanwhile male artists like minus8 can come out as pedophiles and still have huge fanbases
>you like some male character and want to see fanart/fanfics? too bad, you get non-tagged cuntboy/force fem/trans headcanon shitmeanwhile moids into futa always tag their shit because they see it as a fetish and not some political thing
>you like some edgy angsty male character like assterion? well he has a sad background so you cant lewd him you sicko!meanwhile men will take a well written depth character with sexual trauma and draw her getting gangbanged like nothing
I dream for the day women stop cattering to the masses and stop enjoying fandom again
No. 1798731
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>>1798475>>1798500It's always taking some painting and then tracing atop fucking anime or genshin impact characters, it's never out of genuine interest in art or religion, I'm sure these people just google "painting with that gives x feeling/aesthetic" and then don't bother to even read up the historical context about it, they just want to apply it to a random character, that is 99% HC'd for them/
No. 1799042
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>>1798101>just cast Indian actorsI wonder how'd they'd react to the fact that India is home to tons of races and that all three of these girls in picrel are all equally Indian as each other.
No. 1799060
>>1798077Not to mention when they say that specific racial groups should be used for fictional civilizations (even if they are based on our real world) is just ridiculous and wasn’t it the general consensus that “
poc” shouldn’t be used to play the aliens/fantasy races because that’s also racist. Idk I wish society would just go back to hiring people who can do the job and are available. It just seems a bit silly to not just use the best person available to fill the role. Like I don’t expect Japan or Indian to find white people to fill western roles, just find the best approximation give them some outlandish getup and have them say some sort of obnoxious western phrase and bam! they’re now from another country. I just want to be entertained, im not watching this stuff to be an activist.
No. 1799062
>>1798726How do these people imagine social interactions actually going?
"Wow, nice artwork I think I'll like this post-"
"DNI if racist, pro-cop, proshipper, fujoshi,
TERF/SWERF, Nazi, Trump supporter, ace exclusionist"
"Aw man, I guess I can't look at this art now because I'm one or two of these things."
No. 1799097
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>>1799060In my country and most of the world we just get light skinned or white-ish looking actors to paly white people and if we can't do that, most countries just get eastern europeans or central asians to play those parts.
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Waifu culture aside, I guess I'll take my ban for being troonbian aligned for wanting more focus on women. As a straight woman.
No. 1799118
>>1799112I've seen Howl x Fire so I thought the joke was that her fujo friend is literally shipping howl with the fire
>>1799099>I'll take my ban for being troonbian alignedyou don't actually think that would get you banned do you? are you new?
No. 1799173
>>1798339>AYRT; Nona could you even begin to imagine if these retards approached straight men, demanded that they 'try' yaoi and call them homophobic when they inevitably get grossed out or at the very least aren't interested in massive, swinging anime dicks?In all fairness, those people are probably thinking of yaoi/yuri in terms of mostly non-explicit romance narratives, not anything involving "swinging dicks" (or gaping pussies for that matter). I think the assumption is that you like yaoi because of character chemistry, relationship drama and "gay representation", and while you certainly might like those things, they miss the important part where you also like it because of hot guys.
Men are exempt from such assumptions, because frankly, nobody expects men to give a damn about romance stories in one way or another.
No. 1799205
>>1799062Nonna they actually think this. I've seen people freak out when they find out a
TERF retweet something from them. The most deranged will start retweeting gore or anti-
TERF images immediately after in order to deter them. I remember as a joke one of my friends sent an artist who did that stuff an anonymous message saying that it would be impossible to block all the TERFs because we're everywhere and the artist took her seriously. The artist would break down not long after and deleted their art account. These people are stupidly fragile.
No. 1799444
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>>1798731I don't think you need a deep understanding of a painting in order to like it but it's always the same five classic paintings that circulate in fandom spaces. Many fanartists fawn over picrel and try to recreate it but otherwise they show no interest in art history or non-fandom art. It's like they can only like older art if it has been spoonfeed to them by a viral tumblr post. They are never going to look up any other of Alexandre Cabanel's work or look up any other portrayals of Ophelia.
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People will type up fucking 20 page essays rather than just admit that they get hard from stories about rape/incest/vore/whatever. Just own it. I don't care about pro/anti shipping or whatever but seeing people write tedious shit like this is just annoying.
No. 1799655
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this made me physically cringe kek i cant follow the fan account of the tranny faggot from the idolshit yume game where half of the character are underage
No. 1799822
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>>1798077This reminds me of a now-deleted post that Xiran made, complaining about how some of the background hun horsemen in Mulan were played by white guys. These were far background actors, who no had noticed(including myself) except they weren't white either, they were professional stunt horse riders from kazakhstan.
No. 1800000
>>1799890It makes sense if you look at the era and culture Miyazaki lived through - A period of rapid urbanization where people who lived in the countryside felt abandoned and were forced to move. You can see this in other well-rated anime & manga, such as Pom Poko and the works of Osamu Tezuka.
To me, his takes feel a lot more genuine than, say, Netflix or Captain Planet, because these things come from a place that was close to the heart and experience of the creators.
>>1799904Again, this anti-war theme is very strong in all Japanese media, it stems from Japan losing WWII and the stuff civilians had to live through, including two atomic bombs. In Howl, again, I think it's well done.
These zeitgeists were shared by a lot of the world at the time, because similar things were going on with urbanisation. A lot of fears of nuclear war were based on what happened in Japan, and later Russia. The Vietnam was made anti-war sentiments strong. There were still survivors from WWII in many European countries alive to talk about their experiences.
>>1799955This feels like a poignant theme given how much Miyazaki likes tanks & aeroplanes (Yes you can do this while still being a pacifist).
>>1799951I don't doubt his being a horrible father, but what do you base the lolicon statement on? From my own POV, his child characters seem a lot more 'real' and less sexualised than other anime, including what he's said about keeping romance away from children, and the relationship between the girls in When Marnie Was There.
No. 1800292
>>1791079I think people are confused about "politics in media" works. It's impossible to make media that's 100% apolitical, so the author's views will inform the story in some way. See
>>1799890. Religious authors will make their good VS evil metaphors similar to Biblical allegories (ex. Narnia), male writer's opinions on women will inevitably seep through, conservative creators will make their villains decadent and rebellious or vice versa with liberal writers, etc. I used to be perfectly fine with consuming media by creators whose politics I disagreed with, because usually there was "something for everyone" even if you were atheist/conservative/liberal/etc. My uncle is an annoying Trump conservative but still likes Star Trek and various musicians with liberal views. But modern Western media makes a soapbox out of it and spells it out.
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>>1800292I mean, I'm an atheist, but pretty much all my favorite authors are Catholic, mostly because, as you said, they write themes of good and evil with emotional weight no one else can approach. Granted, Hell, I'd claim that or literature created 100 or 50 years ago still manages to be more entertaining then the crap we get nowadays.
No. 1800356
>>1799821>>1799728Yes, complex shipper. It's a term for people who don't want to get socially ostracized by their gendie zoomer friends if they like a mildly
problematic pairing that doesn't star in a coffeshop AU. Except this didn't work either and they're still getting grouped in by the pearl clutchers and people with terrible media literacy with the turbo edgelords.
In a way I get it because I don't want to associate with the edgelords that got memed into drawing unironic amputation porn or whatever, I don't care enough to harass them so I just block, but then I just stopped calling myself proship. Comship is an useless term and if someone thinks you're an unironic pedophile for shipping 2 similarly aged adults with an age gap they're likely retarded. Why make up a whole new term that's going to get you put on a shit list at the end of the day? Even if you ship enemies to lovers people think you're an evil edgelord so who cares.
No. 1800387
>>1799821>>1800356what's up with fandoms obsession with labeling everything? did we really need a term for this?
is american idpol to blame for this?People who try to justify why they like a ship are just as obnoxious as people who use shipping as a moral high ground
No. 1800535
>>1800387>Is it American idpol Tldr yes.
They're all retards with no social skills or friends, who hate everyone and everything that doesn't play pretend in just the way they want. This brand of entitled retardation is found everywhere, it's not just shipping autists. You get thoughtcrime micromanagers who obsess over k-pop idols, tulpas, mental illness LARPs, reality shifting into a
problematic fictional dimension, sex workers who are less
valid than other sex workers with better pronouns, people with more followers than them, anyone with a job… the list is endless. That's where the endless hair-splitting comes in. They nitpick everything about everyone, and they're nitpicked in turn. The more terms they come up with to describe their interests, the more chance they have of escaping the bullies. They're also all genderspecial since being trans is a get out of jail free card for any kind of harassment.
I'm honestly curious how these idiots are going to cope with being adults. As you age you usually naturally outgrow this sort of bullshit, or at least start questioning whether 35 and 37 is an age gap large enough to accuse someone of pedophilia. They've built an entire digital world around their no-holds-barred sperging with their name and address attached. They're going to have job interviews where the interviewers have read all of their detailed thoughts on a/b/o JungkookxBakugou in the lizard dimension. What the fuck.
No. 1800602
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(Instagram but the comments are clearly twitter/tumblr people)
https://www.instagram.com/twinbuns/So my friend linked some woman's instagram and legit I have never seen such regular verbal abuse on some random woman's page, people constantly saying she encourages raping Asian boys because…she reads BL manga sometimes? Literally every single post is either saying she encourages rape for reading manga, saying she's an Asian fetishist for living in Japan or calling her fat for being sort of chubby.
I assume a big portion of this is jealous teens who are mad that she lives in Japan and they don't or some shit, but I was genuinely a bit saddened by how much verbal abuse this random normie woman is getting, only thing I've seen her do wrong thus far is use bootleg merch in her itabag and no one even commented on that.
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>>1800606Because they're open misogynists who are jealous that some white woman gets to live in Japan.
>>1800610Agreed, I guess some of them say 'THEY WATCH IT CRITICALLY' which is such bullshit, we all know they watch coomer shounen garbage like chainsaw man.
No. 1800620
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>>1800612Like god forbid a woman not be the ideal beauty standard.
This comment section definitely proves that fakebois have one thing in common with actual moids though, deeply hating women.
>>1800618Her thread is boring and so are her videos, she's cute though.
No. 1800629
>>1800622My thoughts as well, felt nostalgic for PULL just now kek, all that is missing is
>>1800620 having a kpop pfp
No. 1800634
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>>1800629Most of the commenters either had Kpop pfp or enstars pfp, which considering that most enstarfags are ana chan weebs it definitely tracks.
No. 1800637
>>1800634please elaborate and tell us what is "
sus" about a straight woman not reading lesbian romance?
No. 1800643
>>1800637A lot of fakebois who are guilty about enjoying BL like to convince themselves that if you read all genres in a 'NON
PROBLEMATIC WAY' then you're somehow better than people who just read BL, because god forbid people not care about yuri manga.
>>1800639But if they shit on men who look at porn of women being raped then they won't get the delicious male attention…
No. 1800659
>>1800651No, it features women's ideal versions of men, which is why BL is made for women, by women. Not saying that some BL doesnt have
abusive themes, but who cares really. I'm just dead tired of women's hobbies always being a target for people.
No. 1800674
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>>1800602okay I feel like there's a part in the story we're missing, like there are tons of annoying fat fujos who lives in Japan, what did this person to stand out?
No. 1800676
>>1800661Exactly kek, moids are allowed to rape lesbians and never have to read BL or play otome.
>>1800672Legit the only thing I can see that's somewhat different about this random woman is that she uh, reads YBC and films Japanese grocery stores, as if people haven't been filming Japanese grocery stores since the beginning of the internet.
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>>1800676This is by far the highest example of schizos in a comment section I've seen though.
God just imagine if a moid who moved to Japan for Asian porn and is constantly in an Izakaya got this level of hatred.
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>>1800676>Exactly kek, moids are allowed to rape lesbians and never have to read BL or play otome. i would love to see these handmaides go to a troon and demand they read yaoi kek the male troon would go apeshit about someone demanding he reads gay shit/shit involving attractive men like moids always do
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>>1800695Kek that was famicom from /co/
No. 1800711
>>1800706>>1800703It is. The first post is saying she's really cute (I can't read what's said after the emoji) and the second post is literally her saying thank you.
That's it.
No. 1800715
>>1800680Male weebs literally move to Japan on the money they make from shitty podcasts where they talk about hentai and jav.
>>1800676Meanwhile, the most popular videos about Japan are people stopping Japanese women on the streets to ask them if they'd date foreign men.
No. 1800719
>>1800602>fiction can affect realityKeyword is CAN. I do think some content like lolicon is often suspicious, but do these same people not raise issue over people who like horror and slasher flicks being potential serial killers? Not to mention "making people uncomfortable" is not something callout-worthy. You can block her if she's not doing anything illegal.
>>1800686These people believe that "sex work is real work" so they don't see an issue with it.
No. 1800724
>>1800719>"making people uncomfortable" is not something callout-worthyShe's pretty clearly not even doing that, if they were truly uncomfortable with her they wouldn't feel comfortable with sending verbal abuse on literally everything she posts.
It just comes down to gaydens having typical mean girl female socialization, which means any girl who enjoys something for herself without wanting male approval for it needs to be socially shamed non stop.
>These people believe that "sex work is real work" so they don't see an issue with it.Well of course, men like porn after all uwu.