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No. 101951

A thread to discuss anything vidya related.

>your favorite games (old or new)

>online or sp
>what are you playing on pc/console/mobile
>games recs
>great deals
>shit-games discussion
>basically free discussion on any games
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No. 102001

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i saw that rdr2 was on sale on steam and im not sure if i should give in and buy it. to the people who finished playing it : what are your thoughts about it? (especially about the online multiplayer) was the story good?

No. 102002

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What were your favourite games when you were kids, anons?
I used to play to play Lion King, Shakii, Croc 2, Spyro, Hocus, Tarzan, Crash Bandicoot, Earthworm Jim 2 and Sonic R all the time. I also watched my cousins play Heart of Darkness but I myself never played it because it seemed too scary lol

No. 102003

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samefag, I'd also love to hear what were some obscure games that you guys played and you think are lesser known? I played Egypt II and a game called The City of Lost Children, both of which creeped me out massively but I enjoyed the atmosphere. I don't think they are very well known

No. 102019

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Aaah, Spyro was so nice and pleasing.

My childhood favs were Tomb Raider, Spyro, Medievil, Abe's Odyssey (quite spooked by it) alongside straight up horror games like SH and RE

I don't know any of the less known games you mentioned tho. Rule of Roses seems to have the same atmosphere but I guess it became quite well known and popular so it doesn't count

No. 102023

I don't play the online mode personally but the story is great and the map is huge, I must've sunk hundreds of hours into just riding around exploring and hunting and I'm still not quite 100%. Some animal spawn rates are bullshit though, and same with some of the challenges. All I can really say about online is that they do keep updating it, just added a whole new role (like career thing I think?), and people are still playing it. In comparison there's been one, maybe two story mode updates that I'm aware of. Most recent was for the PC release, they just added some more collectibles and a treasure map, so they're clearly putting all their time/effort into the online multiplayer.

No. 102024

Easily one of my top 5 games of all time now, if you were a fan of RDR1 you will love RDR2 even more. Once you finish the main storyline you can also do the legendary animal challenges or other mini in game storylines. A bit autistic but I also enjoyed getting a rare albino horse, I was quite attached to all my horsies in the game.

No. 102032

Is Egypt 2 a city building sim or am I thinking of a different game?

No. 102033

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no, it was this point and click exploration game where you were wandering alone in Heliopolis and had to solve puzzles

No. 102034

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Anyone here play thief? Been thinking about getting into it but it's older than time itself and I'm not sure if it'll run on windows 10

No. 102040

A couple of years ago I tried to install it because I've never played it and it looks like a really atmospheric game, but I just couldn't. I'm very stupid when it comes to computers tho. I'm sure there must be a way to run it on modern machines

No. 102077

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i've been playing Dead by Daylight for the past 2 weeks, and oh boy do i have fun.
so far i've only been playing baby dweet, and i tend to die more often than not, but i'm not complaining.
the only thing that i dislike are the survivors that dc as soon as they get downed/hooked

No. 102092

I recommend it, it's a pretty good game! Haven't played it on win10 tho. It's available on GOG if I'm not mistaken so I think you should be able to run it

No. 102097

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When it comes to obsure, i used to play cute knight on this weird pop cap games program on windows vista,you had virtual coins to play games. It was strange.

Cute knight was like a princess maker game except you know…. sfw.
Some wonky early 2000s anime art,but i love it honestly.

No. 102098

Is anyone here following the development of Paralives? I'm not a fan of the parafolk but I think the game has potential. But a lot of the hype around this game is from people that want it to be the sims but 10x better which is going to hurt the game imo.

No. 102104

it'll be interesting to see competition in the everyday simulation sphere but there is just no way some random indie game will be able to compare with a long standing series from a billion dollar studio. but maybe i'll be wrong, lol.

No. 102114

city of lost children looks pretty cool anon, what was the gameplay like if you remember?

No. 102117

I thought of this game the other day and I've been trying to find a version that isn't riddled with viruses.

All I remember is that you had a certain number of days and you could pray at a chapel to raise stats or explore a dungeon. My pea brain would always lose because I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.

No. 102148

Oh,i bought it for like 3 bucks a while back,just from the hanako games site.

Yeah its just a game where you raise skills and do odd jobs to get money so you can dungeoncrawl.

Its not a great game but its a bit of fun for a couple of hours.

No. 102183

I love playing as the killer, but the first two days i played, some asshole messaged me on PS4 about how i was a piece of shit who didnt play the game right and hurled endless insults my way. it was wild. I think i just need a few people to play with who arent assholes.

No. 102189

FFX-2 is the superior game. You'll enjoy it more.

The Cat Lady is one of my favorite horror games of all time. it's one of the few, if not only games where you play as an openly depressed woman in her 30s+ . It's got such a strong and heavy theme that i think it goes so well. Susan is sassy , but openly vulnerable. I love her backstory. Also, your friendship with Mitzi is perfection. It's truly a gem of a game imo.

No. 102190

I love this game for just screwing around I do wish they had a casual mode for those of us who aren't obsessed with red rank and regurgitating whatever perks the streamers are favoring. I'm purple when I actually try but I prefer to fall back to green or yellow rank because no one there cares and I'm not raged at at the end for playing games like opening and closing the chests to draw in the killer then running them until they get annoyed and go after whoever I'm nearest to.

No. 102192

teabagging the killer should be banned. i honestly hate survivors who do this. and I am not obsessed with rank either.

No. 102194

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Oh that's easy just play Oni, Micheal or Ghostface heavily punishes t bagging. Or if your feeling really cheap go meta Huntress. She's brutal to those who wanna waste time t bagging rather than breaking her totems. Plague used to be great for it but since she was so heavily reliant on the previous form of Ruin she got dumpstered hard. I'm enjoying Pyramid Head but I'd not recommend him for anyone not wanting to play anything hard. May his bubble butt forever rest in peace

No. 102195

then tunneling the same survivor should be banned too

as someone who has been playing since launch with 600+ hours and dropped the game several times (rank 1 but who cares), the devs don't do anything to fix the bugs/issues dealing directly with killer and survivor interaction(s), which just leads to more toxic shit when the game doesn't function properly

it honestly amazes me they get away with all the shit they don't fix, like their 4 year anniv. event offering not working for a week+ lol

No. 102198

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This game looks fun!! I'm pretty stoked about it being a free PlayStation Plus game

No. 102199

anon above you, tbh I give the dbd devs slack after watching the shitshow that is overwatch. And I have to give props to any devs willing to not only pay homage to Silent Hill but fight for it's inclusion in their game given Konami's poor management.

No. 102246

yeah my bf has around 2k hours in the game, i've got 700, and we dropped it after spirit got released. we couldn't take the bugs and toxicity, but we also couldn't bare to play against a killer that is literally a guessing game

No. 102251

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>the superior game
Anon, I-

At least you like the Cat Lady, kek. It's my favourite horror game too alongside Haunting Ground.
If you guys like alchemy shit + psychological horror with sexual innuendos I highly recommend

No. 102254

Spirit is pretty midtier now since they changed her kit to not collide with players when phased and finally gave her a vault animation. You have more to fear from a good Nurse than Spirit currently.

I love Haunting Ground Daniella best antagonist theme. Just emphasizing her madness from not being whole anf how much she despises Fiona for having a womb and being able to have sensation.

No. 102256

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oh ye, you reminded me this fantastic quote

No. 102295

Is assassin's creed odyssey worth getting? Or is it terrible? Haven't played an AC game since black flag but it's on sale rn and I need something new to play.

No. 102330

Devs confirmed that they did not nerf PH ass, so you can still look at his bubble but. The stalking of GF can sometimes be really shitty and you can be revealed very easily. Plague can still be really good, especially if you go against survivors who immediatly go cleanse.

No. 102338

Ehhh unless you're playing at lowest ranks most just stay sick because it decimates her so badly. Without old ruin my girl really stands no chance without a rework with anything lower than those playing at 15. But they have been doing those more so hoping for her to get bumped up. GF best thing to do is wait for them to be on gen let them get a little bit in then pounce you're bound to get two locked on.

No. 102361

anon are you me? i played the same games and i was also freaked out a bit by abe's odyssey.

i was obsessed with spyro, but also loved croc, the first three harry potter games, zoo tycoon, MANY online flash games, and anything i could get my hands on in my backwards-ass euro country lmao

No. 102412

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I'm euro too and used to always buy my games in second-hand gaming shops, I clearly remember when I stumbled upon RE4 in my usual shop, I was so happy, kek.

The only HP game that I enjoyed on PS was the Order of the Phoenix, I remember that it was kinda open world ish and you could run all around the castle and bully the shit out of the other students

No. 102414

>top 10 pick up lines kek

No. 102425

You would be suprised how many people still cleanse against plague in higher ranks. This video shows pretty good how strong plague can be, this guy does have a lot of hours tho so ofcourse he will always have an easier time. But with the right add ons and perks she can end the match really fast.

No. 102429

I really like it, I am about 40 hours in and I have completed the main story but there is a lot of after game content too. In game I love how free you are to explore, basically as soon as you get the ship you can travel anywhere (if you avoid high levelled enemies). I really love the characters and just running around the world but I have noticed a lot of missions are a bit samey but it never bothered me too much. I have heard it's different from the older assassins creed games but I wouldn't know since it's my first so I am not sure how you'd like it in comparison. I think the game tends to lean you towards the warrior skill tree and stealth is more of a secondary option so it's more like Warriors Creed than Assassins Creed lol. I'd say get it but keep an open mind! and if you don't like it I'm sorry lol

No. 102447

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More than highly recommended as well as the II. Even without nostalgia googles on and acknowledging that the additional missions from Thief Gold and some from the mid/end-section of Thief II are not on par with the rest, it's worth every penny you can spend on them. The fan-made content is also incredible and in 2020 people still continue to churn out well-finished and innovative missions, far beyond what the vanilla game initially brought atmosphere and gameplay wise

I think the GoG version is patched an will run fine on Windows 10 but I'm not 100% sure

No. 102448

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Has anyone ever played Style Savvy/Fashion Boutique? I'm getting a new computer soon, and I wanna play it on an emulator. Funnily enough, my brother used to help me play, and he was much better at it. Also, why is Japanese box art (and fashion in general) always superior to the western versions?
Haunting Ground sequel when?

No. 102468

played all the games and they're really worth it, I wholeheartedly recommend it

No. 102484

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yes! i've only played the third one and really want the fourth one but it's $40 on the eshop.
they didnt do a physical release for the fourth one in english and it's only available online. i'm insistent on buying it because i wanna support the game anyway i can kek.

No. 102522

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best ds game ever made

No. 102537

I wish i could like Haunting Ground. I bought it on ebay( amazing copy too. with the manual) a few years ago and played through it twice. I just couldnt get into the horrible controls and the storyline is actual disgusting and creepy. Right out of some incels' fantasy. Also, Fiona is trash with zero personality.

No. 102565

yes, the fact that it was made by a scrote who obviously gets off on the idea of pregnancy is obvious kek
>actual disgusting and creepy
That's honestly why I like it, same for Rule of Rose despite the awful gameplay. Clock Tower games and their spiritual successors all have the same sexual/creepy vibe

No. 102566

It's so upsetting how they never made a self-insert hogwarts game before mobile cancer took over

No. 102568

Never understood why they never did, would have been a hit.

The only recent games that I enjoyed were BOTW and Subnautica.
I really want a good RPG and I've been thinking about finally playing Dragon Age Inquisition, but I'm scared that I won't like it, considering the hellfest that was DA2.
The only thing that saved this game in my heart was Fenris, and he's the only reason why I would replay it.
mfw no cute broody elf in DAI

No. 102572

Ughh, I would love an open world Harry Potter game with a customizable main character

No. 102573

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It's much much better than DA2 imo.
If you give it a shot, there's an early area called The Hinterlands that is massive and you might feel the need to complete everything before moving on. You can and should come back.

No. 102586

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Any anons that love Bloodborne? I'm really sad that on /vg/ the Bloodborne generals are either gone or archived too soon.
By the way, a kind reminder that the online PS multiplayer is going to be available for free this weekend, so if you feel like invading and co-oping, it's going to be the right time.

No. 102588

Bought that game when it went on sale. I stopped when I reached level 20+ and I got bored of it since all it gets grindy as hell and the side missions get a lil repetitive. Also, the map is huge as FUCK. I liked hunting the legendary animals plus fighting the mercenaries, though. Those were fun.

And like the other anon said, its more of a warrior's creed rather than assassin's. If you're into that sure get the game but if you've played other asscreed games and you're looking for that parkour and stealth then don't play ac odyssey.

No. 102602

huge BB fan even have the hunter's mark as a tat. Currently challenging myself in the Old Hunters DLC to keep the guy in Ludwig's area alive. it doesn't do anything storywise but gives me something to do. Problem is Ludwig always bulldozes the poor guy at the start.

No. 102607

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> even have the hunter's mark as a tat.
That's so cool!
> Currently challenging myself in the Old Hunters DLC to keep the guy in Ludwig's area alive.
I managed once by pure luck to keep him alive and I've played Bloodborne so many times. So good luck, anon!
Do you play online as well?
And what build and BL is your current character?

No. 102609

Absolutely love bloodborne. I hope that free multiplayer will bring more people in, so it can be like a small return to yharnam event

No. 102610

I hope so too! The multiplayer can get really slow even on weekends.

No. 102613

Personally DAI was so fucking boring to me but, maybe that's just my personal bias against open world games talking.

No. 102614

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I love it when some JRPGs have that vibe that reminds me of old shojo manga about adventure or mysteries like the ones by Saki Hiwatari, Kaori Yuki, CLAMP, Natsuki Takaya, etc. Like some of the Final Fantasy games before Squaresoft and Enix merged, or Persona 1 and 2 (and almost P3 too), the DDS games, the Raidou Kuzunoha games…

It's hard to describe but I think what gives me that impression is how there's romance and melodrama but it's not fanservice for otaku, it's legit part of the stories and settings, or how the male and female characters act and are described. Especially in the retro FF where the male protagonists are covered in jewelry and makeup or how the DDS novels describe Serph as so pretty and so cute he's basically a feminine bishonen. Even some plot points are super similar, the school fusing with a supernatural tower in P1 and P3 is the exact same shit as in Mirai no Utena. If there are games that ever gave you that impression I'm open for recommendations.

No. 102616

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Here is my completely subjective review:
I liked DAI. I didn't play DA2 so I can't compare. I really liked the beautiful, colorful, big and varied world and the many different monsters in it and the feeling of exploring the world. Lots of places had a wonderful atmosphere, which was what I liked about DAO too. I didn't care much for the story, I can't even remember most of what happened but I usually don't care for stories in games. I didn't like the characters too much, except Cassandra, she was cool. And Vivienne and Varric I guess. The rest I didn't think too much about or they got on my nerves (like Sera). The combat was fun and I liked it better than DAO's strategy based combat but if you liked the strategy, you might find this "watered down". I also really liked upgrading my fortress and collecting decor for it and dyeing my armor. And collecting different mounts. You can even get a giant nug mount. Isn't it cute?

No. 102617

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I want to recommend this old game, 3 in Three. It's a puzzle game, I found it really fun, sometimes a bit tedious but fun. I like how the number 3 is female for some reason too. She makes lots of snarky comments. You can get it here, you need an emulator but I think it's all on the site. http://www.thefoolserrand.com/04-3T/index.htm
There's also another good puzzle game from the same creator, The Fool's Errand, which can be found on the same site, but I liked 3 in Three better.

No. 102618

>FFX-2 is the superior game
I fucking love ffx-2 so much, people keep shitting on it because it has such a different tone then ffx. But i love it so much, its a really fun game.

No. 102630

I go for raw damage normally but this time around attempting arcane and challenging myself with the cane. Which is a fight in itself cause it's def the weaker of the main lineup in my opinion. My fav weapon is the whirly gig though. I don't play online currently as am a essential worker so when I do play it's weird hours and most times I'm falling asleep.

No. 102641

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Arcane and Bloodtinge are my favorite builds. I have a pure arc character and it's so much fun. Well, at least when you get the milkweed rune and kos parasite.
Handling a cane is a very tough challenge when your stats aren't that much in favor considering you're going for arc.
It's a shame you're not online that much. I can understand considering your type of work but man, do I wish the multiplayer was more active. I don't have much time to play lately either but sometimes I just like to spin a round or two and I find myself waiting for people to invade more than actually invading.

No. 102715

Bought a tablet with my Trump bucks and can finally play FGO again! Except now I have a bajillion story missions I have to complete before I can do any events.

No. 102784

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What are some popular games that you didn't like?

For me, my recent disappointments were the FF7 ((remake)) and TLOU2.
I honestly feel bad for the people who never played the original FF7, I don't understand how they can get wtf is going on in this game considering it's a sequel branded as a remake

No. 102785

A bit of a stupid reason but I got tired of the FF style. With these latest graphics everyone looks so polished, doll-like and with those big anime eyes… sometimes it looks uncanny to me. I really love Yoshitaka Amano's works though, I wish we could see a game with that style again.

No. 102788

Probably unpopular gaming opinion but I honestly don't get the hype about stardew valley. It's not good, the characters are boring, the art style is ugly and it's got way too much stuff going on. I can't enjoy it no matter how hard I try.

No. 102789

Totally a matter of taste. Personally I think pixel graphics are charming. I agree with you about the characters, they were very boring, but I don't typically give a shit about characters anyway.

>It's not good

What did you expect, anon? It's a farming simulator.

No. 102791

Yeah, I agree with how it is a matter of taste. I suppose because I like farming simulators I expected a really good one because of the way everyone talks about it.

No. 102972

>and with those big anime eyes
I only watched some scenes of the remake thanks to let's plays on youtube and it was so weird anytime Barrett removed his sunglasses and had those huge lost puppy eyes. I wasn't expecting that at all at first for some reason. He's still hot though.

No. 102973

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I've been playing it a ton on steam
How are you enjoying it so far anon?
The jellybeans are just too cute and the relaxed nature of the game makes for really funny situations

No. 102981

Even though he designed the characters the old games didn't really have his style anyway though. The sprites never really reflected the artwork.

No. 103020

Playing through whichever port of FF5 is on Steam and seeing those androgynous albino concept art pieces used as party portraits was a trip. For Bartz and Lenna, it's tough to tell who is meant to be who at a glance.

No. 103094

I've only had the chance to play a handful of times so far but I'm really enjoying it though some games could use a little polish. I also find myself laughing and yelling at my tv which is something I never do haha. I actually had my first win last night!

No. 103114

Ah yeah, you're right. I recalled the portraits of the port (maybe?) and the models in Dissidia for the PSP.
Still, a game with that style exactly would be very nice.

No. 103168

I said I've started FF10-2 a few weeks ago, I completed the first act, side quests included, in one go and I stopped playing because I got my copy of ACNH and couldn't stop playing that game. I'm gonna start the second act and see how time consuming the side quests are in that one, if it gets too annoying I'll just skip some of them and focus on them in my next playthrough. I know I missed a few things already anyway.

No. 103253

>so polished, doll-like and with those big anime eyes
Amen! I'm also fed up with Tetsuya 'need more belts & zippers' Nomura's aesthetics and wish they made a game that has Amano's style. A while back I commented that I would love an FFVI remake, it being my fav FF, but if they made everyone look like underage androgynous models, I'll pass on it

No. 103279

My god, don't get me started on Nomura. I can't stand his character designs that besically consist of spiky hair, at least 10 belts and zippers, and (especially lately) all black and grey with some accents of dull colors. Also his shit writing.

No. 103281

Nomura is a good artist but not always a really good character designer, that's a shame. It was weird playing FF10 and think that half of the main characters looked super cool and stylish and the others had awful clothes to the point of being a crime against fashion. I also wish he would draw less detailed stuff sometimes, I like the art style in The world ends with you.

By the way, when was the last time Amano worked on a video game as a character designer? He always creates the logos for mainline FF games, and he did the character design for FF6 and FF9 last, probably worked on other games after that, but is it actually possible that he could ever come back for character design and not just to design logos? I find it ironic that now that technology is advanced enough to translate his designs accurately with all the small makeup and jewelry details like in the new Dissidia game he isn't doing anything anymore.

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I feel the same way with Persona games. I loved Kazuma Kaneko's character designs because I felt like they fit the game's dark atmosphere better and really don't like Shigenori Soejima's stuff. But I mean I get it why he'd be more popular, his style is more mainstream, more anime-like

No. 103293

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I like Soejima as much as Kaneko when it comes to drawing and designing human characters but I hate how the portraits for P3 and P4 look like shit half of the time. How the hell is Yosuke supposed to be a stylish pretty boy when he looks like a humanoid giraffe in his portraits? Anyway, Kaneko is still working for Atlus but doesn't do art for games anymore, we need to move on. I'm still not over the fact that the story he planned for SMT4 was so long that we actually only have half of it in the final product AND in the direct sequel.

No. 103314

I personally like Soejima's way of handling colors and themes, I think in Persona 5 his work is excellent. I also really love Kazuma Kaneko's demon designs though.

No. 103584

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I finally beat FFX-2 and guess what? Right after beat the 4 bosses one after another I forgot to press X at the exact time when I was supposed so I didn't get the good ending! I don't want to throw my PSVita through the window or anything! Fuck this, who thought this was a good idea?

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congrats anon!
I have yet to win but I keep getting so close like at the last round or before the last one
the cute cosmetics in this game also up the enjoyment easily especially with the sounds they make

No. 103652

Just finished VTM Bloodlines, I might be crying like a little bitch, but don't tell anyone.
Play this game, everyone. It's the best game I've ever played, truly one of a kind. And objectively speaking, one of the best games you'll see in a lifetime.

No. 103776

I played this for the first time last month and I loved it, amazing atmosphere, soundtrack, and aesthetic. Really wonder how it would have turned out had it not been rushed

No. 103809

Would you say it's worth playing even if I hate vampires?

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