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Hazuki No Yume and TheBlackCero>vocaloid subbers, got into a fight with rachie, circus-p and some irrelevant utaites>basically they said the hazuki and cero were just reuploading videos, when, in fact, for the most part they were not>apparently rachie stole hazuki's translyrics, and cero is mad because "hazuki's japanese skills are superior">cero goes on large twitter rants and just can't fucking let it go>hazuki "retires", and ultimately just leaves and deletes all their accounts>cero is mad that people are reuploading hazuki's videos, because hazuki is the fuCKING bEST
GHOST>used garageband for a majority of their music>knows nothing about music theory>""""nonbinary"""">had a music series but discontinued it because "i am depressed">horrible tumblr art>"bendi and the ink machine ees good game>tRIGGER WARNINGS bECause i have mental illnesses and you do toohttps://www.youtube.com/c/GHOST_AND_PALShttps://ghostandpals.tumblr.com/https://ghost-and-pals.deviantart.com/
UmbraticForest>not very milky, just shitty voice, shitty art, and shitty translyricshttps://twitter.com/UmbraticForest?lang=enhttps://umbraticforest.deviantart.com/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrjEDps2C_OPSDOyfz_fpvQhttps://www.instagram.com/monstre__charmant/
Creep-P>terrible fucking music>keeps shilling his album>obsessive fanbase of edgy childrenhttps://www.youtube.com/user/TheCreepyPie/featured?disable_polymer=1http://music.itseyeris.com/https://twitter.com/TheCreepyPie
oh thank god a thread on ghost, I really can't stand her preteen fans and her sperg sessions when something doesn't go her way
Also Hazuki thought she was the best subber ever, she was disgustingly pretentious
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heres some e d g y shit from her da titled 'self-centered asshole'
u dont get sympathy points just bc you dont like urself sweetie :)
I'm a rando not really in the fandom but I've seen a few songs
I've noticed that some of the clunkiness the English vocaloid vocals could be fixed if the song writers/producers had a better grasp on singing technique and diction.
Yeah, it's get on my nerves too. The "P" is like an honorary title given by fans.
Coming with a "P" when you're a nobody is just as stupid as calling yourself "sama" or "senpai" (we all knows that weebs doing that too)
In France, the comm is still relatively small hence there's no drama.
"Big" producers/utaites are pretty chill and the audience too.
And as a teeny-tiny part of it, I'm greatly happy with that.
But I'd really like to know more about the anglophone part of it (since Voca is mostly a matter of community, it's interesting to compare its expression depending on the country in which it's located)
I hope that thread won't turn like the Ghost one (a massive shitshow with unfunny sperging apparently made by ghost herself)
saging for crappy english but hoping the thread keep going
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Some drama brewing on within the UTAU (freeware Vocaloid, for those unfamiliar) community.
User revolocities is taking old voicebanks, fixing them up and creating new art for them. Some people are getting pissy at him for doing this and getting offended on the behalf of users who've been inactive for over half a decade. I figured Vocaloid and UTAU are close enough in proximity to bring this up and bump up the thread.
GHOST is the most incoherent content creator ive ever seen.
does anybody remember the "you can be kin with all my character besides the pedo priest" deal? when literally their character at the time were:
- two deformed monsters
- a homicidal-suicidal mother
- a homicida-suicidal wife
- a suicidal husband
- a homicidal minor
yeah you cant be kin with a pedo, but you can be kin with all my homicidal OCS!!
plus all the inside jokes they puts on their channels (both the old and the new one)? youre a content creator keep these fucking inside jokes to yourself.
and the jeff the elf deal too. what were they expecting, with that kind of fanbase?
last but not least: "I DO NOT MAKE FANDOM RELATED SONGS!!!" theyre right. they dont make fandom related songs: they rip off the most popular character of a fandom at the current time, make it into a shitty oc, and make a song out of it.
not to mention they made a thread for themselves and repeatedly shat it up.
this person's bpd-induced god complex need to get a cure. go see a specialist, ghost.
The UTAU community needs stuff like what revolocities is doing. As long as he's giving credit, that is. Unfortunately that community (in the West at least) has been very nearly dead for a long time.
As for all these communities, I wish the content creators were more open to constructive criticism. There are some producers who are decent but not great, and I feel that useful criticism could help them figure out where their skills are lacking.
she deleted her ask blog a while ago so i don't have caps, but she used to adamantly refuse compliments and talk about how much communications (her abandoned project) was stressing her out :( but oh noo it wasn't her fans fault (even though she posted a lot about how people wouldn't stop asking for it to be finished)
someone leaked the old thread on her to her askblog (which she deleted shortly after the incident) and she posted it to twitter and got her fans to spam it with bullshit with her
she has no problem with talking shit about her parents on streams and on her blog (apparently they both abuse and hate her but she's broke buying too many vocaloids so she can't move out)
there's not too much on her other than that afaik it's mostly generic tumblr dramas and edgy music
on a side note, she's currently considering giving up music to set up an art shop. she posted about it a while ago on her Twitter, but has said nothing on any of her blogs about it. which, considering most if not all of her followers follow her for music, is kind of something they would need to know
I personally like Juby and she's really nice from what I can tell. There doesn't seem to be any milk on her? She even does collabs with others. She even met my friend at a meet up and even though he's a nobody she hung with him and invited him to a live stream. Her only crime is she's a weeb, which honestly a lot of us are.
But I won't bash your opinion, she does use autotune and edits her voice, but most artists do. She ain't no professional singer for sure. I'm sure if she just sang on stage with a mic it would sound awful.
I see what you mean. Yeah she doesn’t really have any milk.
I know that most artists use autotune, but not as much and obvious as hers at least. You can really hear the autotune without trying so hard to hear it. It just ends up sounding so robotic. And I also agree with >>12338
Her covers aren’t really something to be hyped about.
I vaguely remember this little drama on dA about MMD model parts theft. Parts theft is pretty common among MMD autists but there's this:http://archive.is/k5696
This is the same guy doing the mmd models for VOCAMERICA.
VOCAMERICA was funded by a kickstarter and a part of funds go toward mmd models.
You think he has wisen up to not do this anymore or?
Speaking of vocamerica, any opinions on it?
I know that there was some kind of problem during a vocamerica concert a couple months back. Wasn’t major or anything but the people who went didn’t enjoy it. And how Kenji and AkiGlancy handled the problem was pretty immature/unprofessional.
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Vocamerica and SRP has been low-key cows I've been following on and off for several years now. EmpathP and her/his/their friends at SRP have been having their go at making super mediocre events and begging for e-money. It's a really weird thing to watch from the sidelines.
Empath's original gang used to be at SRP https://www.facebook.com/SynthesizedRealityProductions/
but I guess she moved over to Vocamerica? One of the orignal crew members (Wolf) is still keeping it alive it seems like, I haven't really been following the dramu the past year..
I remember this modeler got caught red handed by another modeler for stealing a whole body base once:http://archive.is/rswCe
He claimed it wasn't the same model, but apparently he forgot to fix the one anatomical mistake the model had that gave him away to the original creator. There was another drama (also about him stealing assets) on Twitter, where REM (another MMD modeler) found out Yoi-Style was using one of his textures for one of his commissions: http://archive.is/dhKuY
So part stealing for his models isn't really an unusual thing when it comes to this guy. Which makes VOCAMERICA's 3D artist choice… Interesting to say the least.
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Somewhat unrelated (which is the reason for sage) but I wish there were more adults in this community. In my opinion that's part of the reason there's not much talent - people grow up and leave for better things. Most retired utaite (e.g. rockleetist, kran) probably realized there was no reason to keep growing their skills for an audience and peers that don't care about quality.
There are some who would claim they're done with Vocaloid but would come back to the scene just to make fun of or discourage people who are still into it.
After depending on the community to grow as a ""successful"" producer, they pull this shit. Heard one of them is promoting a new album lately so now they're back lul
Fans are mostly blind to the obvious gatekeeping they're doing so they take this as gospel truth
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people are actually defending this
it actually triggers
me that people still repeat this misconception in 2017, it's pretty much the fastest way to out yourself as an elitist weeb who doesn't actually have the first clue about the japanese community. P names are barely a thing anymore (hence a lot of popular producers moving away from them), but when they were, self-ascribed P names were in the minority but they weren't discounted as a valid option. i can't count how many rando japanese producers i've seen with them. the "like an honorific" thing was basically grammar usage notes (so people don't make weird stacks like lamazeP-sama) but somehow that got warped into a whole damn rite of passage. it's not a big deal tbh.
the japanese community has really turned into a flaming pile of edgekid bullshit in the past few years just like the western one, it's just rare for it to leak into the western community unless it's REALLY bad. like maretu cheating on his girlfriend for a minor, or rerulili being a narcissistic dick, or like two or three people plagiarising music, or even that one utaite who made fuckin TV news after he got arrested for sleeping with a 14 year old fan. this community is so full with insane trash people that most of the people with actual talent don't even bother anymore.
also holy shit do most of these kids who got inspired to write music through kagepro have no idea about music theory at all. it's not as viscerally disgusting for someone like me as GHOST or creep-p's stuff but i legit feel so bad for the people being overshadowed by this atonal tryhard garbage.
yea if i remember right her birth date was found on her blog. the age of consent in japan is actually 20 though so he was up to some illegal shit
i think too many people got caught up in the ethics of fucking 19 year olds when the real irony is in how he made nonstop songs about women being abused and then got accused of abuse
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to keep things on topic, this was absolutely the cultural nadir of the western vocaloid community
>teenage weeb crusher makes an edgy song about a "schizophrenic child"
>parents notice and decide to use it as an opportunity to shill for their charity
>crusher sells t-shirts for them, everyone pats themselves on the back for supporting a real cause
>a few years later
>parents are thoroughly outed as munchies
>complaining about doctors refusing to accept their children's self-dxed schizophrenia
>bragging about putting their children on ridiculous dosage levels of antipsychotics that are linked to brain damage in adults
>posting videos of their barely-conscious children drooling on themselves in their fly-infested hovel
>outright admitted to physical abuse in a biography and having a child sex abuse report against them
>no vocaloid fans ever bother to check this out, at most they just complain about vague "ableism"
>despite the community possibly being financially complicit in the abuse of a child
>crusher has a falling out with the family at some point after their divorce but barely acknowledges the drama, says the kids are fine
>goes ahead and releases an updated version on her first major album anyway
like i still can't bring myself to bring crusher for this completely because it started when she was a gullible kid
but jesus fuck, i'm still trying to wrap my head around how this happened and no one noticed
i actually found that thread because i was curious about the song, lol. in terms of schofield drama being connected to some random youtuber is pretty inconsequential so i doubt people would care much. but if it got out on the vocaloid side of things… man i don't even know what would happen.
i know this is petty but ffs, this is such a perfect example of what sheltered brats most "edgy" producers are. the contrast between this, a real life case of mental illness and abuse, and the "i'm so crazy and sad :((" bullshit they write about is so huge. i wish they'd grow up. or at least take care not to accidentally involve people with actual issues in their bs.
sage for rant
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This voicebank appears to be real. Sorry for the awful screengrab skills, but people in the vocaloidotaku thread contacted Anders (VocaTone founder, they apparently made Oliver and Yohioloid) and Yamaha. I think Yamaha is pretty out of touch with the Western side of things though.>>12368
I would like to know this as well. In this case someone from a Western Vocaloid company probably gave it to the Vivi developers.
By the way, "Ausgris" is the name of another Vocaloid whose production has seemingly halted.
>>12369>I think Yamaha is pretty out of touch with the Western side of things though.
Makes sense to me. I can recall similar dramas about people going full skeptic about upcoming western vocaloids because Yamaha couldn't bother themselves to give enough shits about them.
In part I get why people becomes so paranoid over every engloid anouncement that isn't backed up by some vocaloid company. What a shitshow, I dont get how comes a big firm such as Yamaha is lets this stuff happen everytime.
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Regardless VIVI was legit but just unlicensed (or not), she's been cancelled until further notice.
Now why would you anounce something you lack the license to release. This is not like making and posting your fucking UTAU online.
Creep's songs are tolerable when rearranged by someone else.
Shit, but the original uploads always sound like it was made by the academy of deaf-mutes and lyrics were a direct copy and paste from the tard version of creepypasta wiki.
Outside of the "music", actually he doesn't seem to bad though. He just got posted to an instagram account which made fun of his fashion sense but he seemed to take it pretty well. >>12371
Western fandom has basically been treated like utau the past couple of years. What is Vocamerica besides Aki's OC shit show?
This is a pretty fucking stupid drama to start in the first place.
Yes, revolocities is an attention whore, but no, using shitty utau banks and redesigning them =/= stealing them.
If you become good friends with AkiGlancy, you bet your singing OC can be in Vocamerica.
I heard that's how it goes.
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kind of old but creep's awful try-hard jfashion is eternally hilarious. i can't believe he went to jillian vessey's meetup
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>>12374>Outside of the "music", actually he doesn't seem to bad though.
you have to be joking… did you miss every new twitter thread he has to make about "wahhh, someone looked at me funny" every time he goes out in his awful decora
also spoiler because i gagged
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this is why ghost went on hiatus:
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that VOCAMERICA song contest sure brought in some salt
this guy thinks they're some hot shit with this noisehttps://soundcloud.com/oh-peach/high-functioning-depression-sequence
well that's just how it is with those one of OneThoughtRemain's groupie (those with edgy names) >>12383
to be fair vocamerica contest is almost a reality shitshow. the winner of the contest doesn't even know music theory and just use vi-IV-I-V progression for all his songs.
another thing i'd like to talk about is how Aki made the email, where she gave participation trophy to losers, public. so if the contestants replied directly, basically there goes your real name and address
Can someone fill me in on the whole subber drama thing over people "stealing" translations? I really don't get the idea of that being a thing. Like, yeah, they did the work (Excluding the "translators" who have very basic knowledge of Japanese if any at all, use shitty online translators as a crutch, and act like they're reliable sources), but they don't own the actual lyrics. Two people who know what they're doing are going to get the same or near the same translation, right? Even if you make a modified version to make it easier for people to sing in their native language, it's not your song, it's just a singable fan translation. Plus, if another subbing channel takes your translation and claims they did it by themself, isn't that technically pointless because then people will ask them to translate things they can't find and they'll be found out as a faker?
Writing is a skill and you are right that google-translate level translations are more or less the same. But translations written by knowledable people will use different words, sentence structures, level of abstractness etc
Just see the manga translate competitions that MAL hosts every year.
I liked his new Luka song, Dream. His songs and tuning are extremely hit or miss for me. Once in a while he makes something really nice, but usually his stuff is a little generic and grating. His tuning style bugs me, like he tries to emphasize consonants too much. I get that it's hard to make Engloids understandable, but I don't find his methods to work.
On another note, it's too bad the Unholy Quartet didn't do more actual covers together. They're all at least decent singers, and their vocals were pretty tight. I would've liked them to do a series of songs or something.
if this is about HnY from a few posts above, she's not exactly some rando with Google Translate-levels of Japanese proficiency.
I think one issue was youtaite fandubbers would stea-"borrow" her translations for english translyrics then indirectly profit from it via Patreon or other means.
Lol and if you are a fandubber with 0 level of Japanese, how the fuck are you supposed to adapt the lyrics of a song for an english fandub without referencing someone's else translation at all? I may be missing the point on something but the translation-stealig shit is the dumbest drama I heard in ages and I've been in this community for years. When you are the only one to provide a translation people are bond to use that translation one way or another. Getting offended over something like that is just being an over-sensitive snowflake.
Also if I'm not wrong HnY also got triggered
at people for putting her translations as lyrics on the original uploaded song videos on nico nico douga (giving her credits and everything), the ones from the song authors themselves. Fucking retard. I hope her channel wasn't monerized either huh.
Maybe they should choose an area they might have a talent/skill in?
I don't know if it's the problem here (and maybe my reading comprehension is shit and I apologize in advance if so) but crediting someone's work isn't that hard. And that should applies to everyone: artist, singer…blablabla
I'm making fr adaptations of Vocaloid songs myself, and I put a lot of time and heart into.
I can only speak for myself, but If someone would take my lyrics whitout crediting me, I would certainly not throw a snowflake tantrum but I'll be sad.
sage for blogging/shitty english
GHOST was an annoying person outside of vocaloid stuff, her fanbase was made up of the same sort of people as her. Remember when she was sending herself anons on tumblr about how she had a thread here?
And when her "fans" found out, "they" filled the thread with the same exact cat reaction photos that she herself used on multiple occasions on tumblr lmao…>makes thread about herself>sends herself asks on tumblr talking about thread>dumps entire cat image file onto thread and claims it's her ~fans~, even though only she had used that same style of humor before
She was a real pathetic person.
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I saw this too, and it really bothered me. Not just the tasteless subject matter, but the clumsiness of the song itself. Creep-P's music never has discernible chords to me.>>12410
It's good that she's back, but this doesn't make much impact on first listen. I love that everyone has been using Eleanor Forte, though, even if her design is kind of bad. (Something simpler would have been much better.)
eh, vocaloid is a really good tool for musicians who don't have access to singers. but that's literally it.
100% of the time i like versions with real singers, even if they vocode their voices, because most musicians don't tune vocaloid vocals well.
that said, it doesn't work that well in the western indie scene because there's no huge pool of singers wanting to work with anyone, nor is there a huge cover scene.
ghost's lyrics are stilted sometimes but jeez. this feels like listening to a word salad, save for a couple lines in the middle.
i do like the art for this a lot, though.
Not dating a 19 year old
BA dum ts
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This was posted on another server. I’m not in it so can’t see what people said about this in there.
obviously for clout
this is the same girl who was "done" with the fandom only to come back crawling to promote her first album
Why do producers do that anyway?
I wonder how many of them actually work full time. It doesn't make sense to shit on all your fans if they're paying your bills.
Being a Vocaloid producer definitely does not pay the bills, but she's clearly cashgrabbing regardless. I doubt it will affect much, honestly, her fanbase is full of dumb kids.>>12456
I speak Japanese but I only know about older stuff, I've been out of the loop.
okay, so GHOST tries to play off how "poor" and "abused" she is but look at how many vocaloids she owns (based off her past + present videos)
-gachapoid (she used him for that one 'meme' song)
-her most recent addition, LUMi
-cyber diva (?)
that's all of them, judging from what i can remember/reuploads/what's currently on her channel.
unfortunately i can't find the costs for a lot of these, so i only managed to get to a total of about 1014.78 USD (not factoring in any sales; this is including fukase, cyber diva, otomachi una, lumi, vflower, gumi, chika, gachapoid, maika, macne nana eng and gumi eng)
why should i care for>her
preffered pronouns if she blocks me for no reason? :)(don't use emojis)
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She even fucking said Micheal Myers. MICHEAL FUCKING MYERS, a serial killer, was hot. Disgusting.
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I'd be concerned about this (now deleted) tweet from them…
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Who to believe…
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This is disgusting…
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alas another one
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just to show how easy it is to fake some juicy content. if ya'll want me to believe any of that shit get some way back machine screenshots, otherwise, eat my ass(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
he's a guy?
i think his lyrics are fine. he's going places but man he does have to work on his mastering a lot. maybe also his tuning, sometimes i can't even understand the words lol
Nah I don't think it's Ghost trying to get back at people. Besides, Ghost has never had any drama with Nico. It's probably someone trying to create drama or some shit. Who ever you are anon, please get a fucking life instead of being pathetic by faking tweets just to start drama with people you don't like. Grow up. >>12498
Yeah I'm not buying these tweets unless it's archived. Nico doesn't even have a cat as far as I know.
anon, they act like professionals, and each time their work is critized, they end up being the crybabies, so what's your point. Creep-P is one of the oldest Ps in the community so they should know how to properly pay his artists.
I doubt he even pays the child who's tuning most of his songs, because they probably be like "it's just tuning"
I hope that's not the case, but if it is, well, won't deny that it's nothing new.
also damn, people who directly get in touch with those producers >>12510
consider that he'd be using your work not just for a PV though, if he owns the artwork he can use it as often as he wants and on whatever he wants like merch and etc, that's why I think people really underprice that what they're working for
"making music in their spare time" and "not being perfect" are not good excuses for scamming people, being emotionally manipulative, sexually harassing people, exploiting mental illness, etc etc etc
there are loooads of great independent content creators in the world who don't act like shitty brats but the general tone of the western vocaloid fandom is so bad that they're staying a million miles away
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He's actually an ok artist
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You left out the reference he used
It looks more than just "referenced" and straight up traced to me though in all honesty
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It doesn't line up at all.
tbf it's hard to tell when people trace, because people who are smart about it won't trace it perfectly, and usually do like in >>12521
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Ghost being salty about mild criticism vol 80
>>12525>I don't like the reverb on your cover. Can you please re-record it?
I have that kind of comments on my own YT sometimes and I guess it comes from very young viewers.
It can be sligthly annoying but come on, it is not worth throwing a twitter tantrum.
But this is Ghost, a girl stupid enough to create and shit up her own thread on here.
He's extremely boring nowadays. The lyrics and the music are just so fucking bland.
The only good song he's made recently was Hello Again, which incidentally sounds very similar to Wooden Toaster's Awoken
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Someone asked Zion a relatively okay question, and then he responded with this. pure immaturity.
Because a decade of consistent producing and social media presence will accumulate at least some semblance of a fanbase, no matter how much you suck at it.
Also because there's no Jin, Neru, supercell, or other big names that actually make good songs on the western side of the fandom. Western vocaloid fans are lazy fucks that mindlessly consume whatever the JP side makes. No one with any actual talent tries.
I posted that simple quiz in the comment because people are capable of making change and pushing forward. That dosen’t mean that they don’t become aware of their past mistakes, it just means that they are rebuilding, they are a work in progress.
And i know that the other producers may do things that i may not agree with, like underpaying collaborators, interacting with minors, or something of the sort. And if you’r aware of that, then maybe reporting them to the police or even the FBI would be a lot better than resorting to this comment section here. I know this is lolcow, and it has a purpose, but there are other options OUTSIDE of this website. Like, if you’r being abused, calling the police is the best suitable option.
And if you saw someone abusing them, getting the police involved or giving the person enough strength to get out is an option as well. So it’s not like calling the police, or going to the cops yourself isn’t an option anymore.
If anyone is aware of that person’s misdeeds but still enjoys what they do, whether it’s making videos, music, or comics, etc, then let them do so. Because we all have different thoughts and opinions on people we may not like.
Unless of course you decide to make some sort of meme or joke out of this, then go right ahead. I’m kind of expecting it.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
I wouldn't worry about that Zion kid. They're even more of a nobody than Ghost themselves.
They're just Ghost but more oobnoxious
The people you mentioned seem super edgy. That's nothing new at this point, obviously.
Some of it was decent but nothing made me go "wow! this is worthwhile!".
There's got to be one good eng prod. somewhere, Right? Cuz this isn't it.
I like Ferry's art sometimes but not his music.
ODDEEO's stuff is pretty good though, alas, the fandom doesn't like music that makes sense. (Not sure if they're new, but I never hear people talk about them.)
Kira's lyrics might be too "baddest bitch on the playground" but its listenable and I like it.
I also like the song Back to the Future Funk(it's an UTAU original).>>12550
Yeah, its better to stay safe. Ghost's worshippers will end you.
There's a few nuggets of decency, but no it's still pretty bad. Bad mixing, clunky lyrics, reeks of midi and sounds halfbaked overall.
Also maybe it's just me, but if I were going to make a song about how bad my parents are, I'd make sure my song is good-enough to convey that on its own instead of spelling it out in the description for pity points. If anyone really wanted to know if it was based on reality, they could ask me on twitter and I'd answer them there.
An example of this done well would be Kimi wa Dekinai Ko by Kikuo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00
). Was Kikuo's mom like this? Is Kikuo just being edgy? Who knows, but the song is creepy and sad and that's exactly what he's going for here.
What do you think of Beau Jordan?
I think his stuff is pretty nice.
Also for some reason I never hear people mention Cephied, though he has a bunch of songs with over 100k views. >>12558
Ferry is not as bad as some other western producers, but he really suffers from bad mastering. I think even his tuning would be fine if the vocaloid wasn't drowned out by the music half the time.
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Pumpkin Head was barely mentioned and immediately threw a shitfit
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What's the story behind this?
Circus and Crusher never dated, and I know that Creep never dated Circus, but this wasn’t about him since they had a falling out a while ago, farther then his tantrum.
I think it was about Rebornica/Mxbones.
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Jee, while I don't think they are wrong they say it in such a bad way
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they lost all creditability with shutting down critiques as well lol
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This is his apology to the people who were concerned about the subject matter of the song.
hey so susan schofield is currently trying to put her son on lethal
doses of antipsychotics and filming his withdrawals to prove he needs it and i keep thinking in the back of my head that crusher-p never apologized for raising money for these sick fucks and lies about how they're doing "better" when she should be denouncing them
She's now a vocaloid legend she can't risk to be in drama now
Which is bs cause she literally let a kid die and when the kid dies its crushers fault to not inform literally anyone of the abuse
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Some compilation videos of the Schofields abusing their kids have taken off on yt lately, and Crusher's response was to apologize for "ableism" again. Which is so vague that everyone is naturally assuming it's a nontroversy and defending her. She clearly has a guilty conscience and it's frustrating that she won't just admit to what she did
edgelord and maybe problematic
for some since he's a shadman fan
GHOST accused him for pedophilia. It's not true but its fans buy it anyway, and so does everyone in the community since it's filled by kids like ghost.
nowadays Steam just doesn't do much interaction with the community anymore.
Mother of god, thank heavens there is this kind of thread on the world wide internet.
For years and years I've been lurking quietly in the vocaloid/UTAU community although in the most recent ones I've basically been gone and boy, it is the most tacky catty middle school cesspool ever, it's unbelievable.
People only care about themselves and pretend to have friends (only to mooch off their art or other skills) only to backstab them, feel at the top of the throne when they interact/are praised by japanese fanbase, are extremely unwelcome to newcomers, only care about popularity and the cash, constantly involving politics and SJW fuckery, going on catty bitch fights…
I don't have any particular tea other than what's already known, just wanted to voice my contentment on there being a thread like this. Keep going.
That said, any tea on that girl who voiced Ruby/Makune Hachi? other than deleting their UTAU (who was better than her vocaloid imo) to make a vocaloid (for clout and money) and bitching because it wasn't "latina enough" or something?
There was some user called Scarfu as well I think they were involved but I might be wrong.
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Hey, uh…someone's been editing the UTAU wiki to show their dumb edits. only affecting most vipperloids.
>shitty new interface
>leaving out important information
Anon i hope u know bigender is literally herm but not offensive to sjw, cant blame bc the old wiki gets massively replaced by the new one, so i imagine they wanna either make it look more appealing or… Dunno.
History is still a work in progress, but ngl tetos page is fucked up. Her dvd rental skills come from a fanmade pv LOL
thank u anon, it bugs me how no one bats an eye on how this fandom treats japanese people as if they're a trophy or an accessory once they befriend one
pretty rampant in the UTAU fandom tbh
don't know much milk about ruby's voicer aside from being a racist sjw from what i've heard
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except whoever's been doing this is doing it to ALL the vipperloids
lmfao do you seriously have so much vocaloid fandom-induced brain rot that you think every talented musician in the world
lives in japan
it's ok you can say you're a weeaboo
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currently on a blocking spree because she can't handle criticism on her shit opinions
Aaalso, she's super into shotacon.
But yeah, she went on a freakout because people told her it's fucking weird to say that you need to be mentally ill to have good art/music, ESPECIALLY since she tweeted that because of Wowaka died.
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The whole Wowaka thing seems to have brought out the worst in people. I'm sick of seeing terrible Rolling Girl 'fanart' on my TL.
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oh my fucking god… the audacity this person had to make something like this…
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i guess that shouldn't be surprising considering how much she used oliver and len
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so how do you think the western vocaloid community will react to the new "canonically nonbinary" vocaloids?
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>>44063>>44080>Answering questions about Meika Hime & Mikoto on our TL:>2. What are their genders?>Officially they're not human, so… how does it work in the spirit world? The person in charge only knows that "having no determined gender is precious".
tbh the tumblrweebs already claimed flower, ritsu, and ruko as "trans/nonbinary representation", so this probably won't change a whole lot
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i mean you're not wrong (this is about vflower)
For all intents and purposes, they're girls. Gender-obsessed autists may flail merrily and call this a "win", but when literally everything else about the characters is obviously gendered, what's the point?
Voiced by a female, both wearing skirts, both clearly feminine. They're "non-binary" the same way all other Vocaloids are, there's nothing special about them.
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this is why the japanese hate us
The fandom at large doesn't
The people who do care seem to like them (mainly because "nonbinary uwu!!!" and literally nothing else)
I mean, it's not like there's anything actually
special about them
there's even covers from them as well after their release but as much as im hoping for their hype to continue people are gonna go back to the "original" vocaloid in my opinion…
but i really like their voices… almost close to humanlike.
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aren't these going to be sold during vocamerica as well
I'd like to know why Kasane Teto is always so mainstream. She's literally a joke utau.
Does this mean if I make a shitty april fools utau it could be mainstream?
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speaking of that, any beans/tea on Sam Blakeslee? He voiced Dex and beforehand his own utau, Kenji Baionoto (he started out as a weeb like misha).
but he's more lenient and still lets people download his utau.
no one knew any better back then
that was also an era of shitty vocaloid recolors>>44985
i find it a bit creepy he actively searches any mention of vocaloid dex/daina on twitter even claiming that's his job as a community manager (idk who even decided on that)
he also has a tendency to blog on twitter over any slight disagreement and pass it off as a psa (5 bucks he'll find this post and do a thread)
other than those he's okay
Don’t you guys remember when Dex and Daina came out and he called Daina normal skinned and Dex ethnic during the stream FOR Dex and Daina.
He also talked about fucking himself with a vegetable on Twitter, which was just weird and no-one wants that mental image.
It was the other way around.
And he also made himself more of mess especially that was after he outed himself as Dex.
iirc there was more than that, something about an ex of the illustrator trying to stir shit on the day of the livestream and it dragged Dex and Daina along
there was slapfighting everywhere it was a fucking mess
>>45077>>45078>unironically describing someone's skin tone/ethnicity as "normal skinned"
Why are they so cringy? I…
It's especially weird coming from someone who's literally albino (or albino-looking) >>44985
is there anything on kuraiinu? he seems like a cool dude for the most part, excluding his whole "uwu trans rights" woke twitter facade.https://www.youtube.com/user/ChishioYT/videos
just asking if anyone knows anything.
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the vocaloid community's new drama is getting to a rough start already.
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image from the tweet
hahahahaha no, crypton gave up enforcing that a longggg time ago and is fine with endorsing people like deadballP
what's next? vocaloidz bop??
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Never used this site before because HOO YIKES but like. I wanted to comment here and say I’m actually a fan of GHOST’s but you guys do have some valid criticisms here. I’m personally a fan of nonsense lyrics and shit because I’m able to relate to them more that way?? (Idk it’s how ive grown up feeling like… I don’t wanna get personal I’m not a fucking baby lmfao) but sometimes it’s kinda difficult to understand what GHOST is implying by the lyrics and I do think that perhaps changing things up a bit would be really helpful to them and their work. I really don’t like associating with their fan base because OH my god are they toxic and annoying as shit. They either whiteknight fucking EVERYTHING GHOST DOES or they go against what GHOST wants because they feel like they’re entitled to their old songs. Which I mean yeah it makes sense, but I feel like they could’ve been a little more respectful especially when GHOST started freaking out and went on that hiatus around this time last year I think?? Is when they came back?? I don’t fucken remember. But you think they’d be like “oh this person doesn’t want me to see something they’re ashamed of, okay” instead of posting that shit everywhere just so they can listen to it. Idk. Just seemed shitty imo. At least GHOST has a reupload channel now. (Although they keep changing the fucking name and it’s hard to find it because they change it all the goddamn time). Another thing I’d like to comment on is GHOST’s distorted style of music. One of their biggest inspirations is Lauren Bousefield, aka Nero’s Day at Disneyland and also BLACK DRESSES, who are both known for having veeeery distortion-y music. I personally like some of the songs by those guys but not all of it is my thing exactly especially since the noise can be soooo harsh sometimes.
Sorry this is a long ass fucking rant BIG YIKES
I’ve been a fan of GHOST since around the time they foraged started out as Ghostie-P, waaay back in like?? 2013 I think it was? Yeah. And yeah their music wasn’t great and when I go back and listen I’m like hoooo boy but I mean my music is pretty shit too, it’s not something I take super seriously especially since I also make music on fucken GarageBand lmfaooo. I don’t use Vocaloid because it’s not something I’m super serious about and I don’t have nearly as many resources as GHOST seemed to have even in their very early days. I’m gonna be real, I’m around the same age GHOST was when they started making music and I was like what, maybe 9 or so when I first found GHOST? So it’s safe to say their music grew on me and I stuck around. We’ve spoken a few times and they actually seem to be a pretty decent person.
However I do feel like the game isn’t particularly good for them. They talk a lot about how the fame is stressful for them and it’s easy to read sometimes and that’s a bit of an oh boy. They have (to my knowledge) professionally diagnosed BPD and there’s a lot of not so great things that come with that specific disorder and a stigma around it saying that people with that disorder are abusive or rude or whatever the fuck. But honestly a mental illness shouldn’t ever. Really be an excuse for your actions yknow?? Like there are still like yknow morals and knowing right from wrong so you can’t just use that as some sort of scapegoat per se. I feel like GHOST has been a little too public and personal regarding their status as a creator and would probably be better off if they stuck to how I notice like MASA does things. (I love MASA, he seems pretty chill). I’ve never really seen him having like as much info public as GHOST does and his fan base doesn’t seem to be nearly as toxic and made up of babies as GHOST’s is. Theirs is just annoying. I mean, look at the fucking Amino they have. That shit is fucking apeshit and those bastards archive every little fucking thing GHOST does and even has like almost every single piece of their art saved in a giant ass folder. One of the other GHOST amino things has an old picture of GHOST in it from 2016 too. Honest to god, Spider on the Wall makes more sense sometimes damn. I just really feel like slooowly but surely pulling out of the public scene would be better for them since fame has proven itself to be a struggle for them and as much as I know this site is for poking fun, it’s got some valid points made here. GHOST would be a lot more well received by sensible people if they chilled the fuck out and didn’t try and make so many memes out of their characters and make jokes and be like super public with fans. They don’t need to and it only causes them more stress so I don’t see why they’d do it?? And like I said my music is ABSOLUTE SHIT and I know it but like I’m not gonna run around and try and get all big like what GHOST has done or treat myself with more importance than what I actually have.
As for the criticism thing, GHOST has a bad habit of taking the critique way too personally. I mean I do it too outside of YouTube (since that’s not what I do for a living) but honestly. I’ve noticed it in the past turn into a “Well since you guys didn’t like it I’m gonna get pissed at you instead of thinking on how to improve and I’m also gonna read ALL of it and complain and say that I’ll just become some perfect being since that’s what you all expect haha” when no one expects that and nothing ever changes. And any fan who sees anyone say ANYTHING that isn’t kissing GHOST’s ass will whiteknight the shit out of it and pull the whole “can you do this? Then don’t criticize!” When that’s a bullshit argument in the first place and we all know it. If something doesn’t sound good, it doesn’t fucking sound good. I don’t need to be good at clicking and dragging voice clips around on a computer to say “Hey, I can’t understand what the lyrics say.” Like shut the fuck up if you think like that lmfao.
But honestly I’m glad I was able to say this here because god only knows if I said any of this ANYWHERE else, I’d get my head ripped off by a bunch of angry 12 year olds who want to kill their parents or some shit I don’t fucking know.
TL;DR GHOST needs to get out of the public eye for their own sake and also work more on some improvement.(autistic blogpost)
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welcome, learn to use this website and stop blogposting
wasn't she the one who started the whole "haha lol miku created minecraft and is god" joke on tumblr because notch is now "problematic
" all of a sudden?
also she calls people transphobes for disagreeing with the trans miku headcanon.
That’s the one.
They also referred to HRT pills as “cat girl pills.”
Ebooks could have a thread themselves.
that's what you get for trying to sound as white as possible. he's also a major weeb and makes it blantantly obvious.
i also hate how he advertises his own covers on spotify and other sites during the video. that's a new level of attention seeking
that goes for every single fandom anon
Come to think of it, I really miss old ask blogs in that matter.
yeah I find them annoying too. I'm pretty sure they like FNAF as well>they're a hoshikawafag too
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Creep-P is such a fucking loser lmao
because it's the popular thing right now. nowadays instead of being "dirty sinners" who ship len and kaito, everyone has a purity fetish because instead of wanting to be different or edgy, everyone wants to be the same, to spew the same bullshit.
what "rights" do grown men kinning anime girls not have anyway
There isn't an Engloid that's edgy, "kawaii", or "trans"" enough
(despite the fact her creators are hell bent on saying flower is a girl and not some genderfuck)
Western Flower fans are autistic as hell, lowkey worse than the "trans miku desu" fans
oliver has a "kawaii" design and voice though. hence why momocashew ships him with len (and hy a lot of people ship oliver w/ both len and rin)
aside from that oliver's the only good engloid imo
Well the fandom is full of weebs who hate any vocaloid who's not japanese anyway so
Plus most westernPs can't tune/mix for shit and always make him sound all muffled
oliver is meant to be a soft
vocal. momo made a song called loucetios and hr tuning of him is a shit
iirc it's mostly piko who gets this treatment
unless you mean those PVs of len depicted as a trap>>49203
weebs wouldnt touch an engloid unless it's gumi english
lol, you just reminded me of the japanese producer who did trans len songs years before it was trendyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ3kzZ36QWI>>49357
why are they like this
they probably only see Miku as trans because her color scheme is white, blue and pink. Fakebois latch onto any blue & pink character(they sperg if you say blue and pink pokemon arent trans) because they're retarded
og miku was green tho, which makes it even more dumb
it's sad that he suffers from both mtf and ftm headcanons desu.
i like 96neko even though she's obviously a len fangirl, but knows she's a girl who likes to wear masculine fashion. fakebois should be more like her.
on a more important note, how much does anyone think the japanese know about the retarded progressive drama in the western community? do they know about ghost?
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but of course no one cares because weebs are allergic to non-japanese vocaloids
and maybe in a good way for maika
THE OLD ONES
who are now mostly deleted and replaced with what you just posted, sadly
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imagine being the sperg to go "i should make her a fat black genderfuck"
wouldnt be suprised if that nb fukase blog also headcanoned oliver as some demihemisemisexual. the wannabe marxists on tumblr are at least 14>>49840
thank god i love her design
its weird how the sjws usually cling onto the popular vocaloids..they probably dont even like vocaloid past their shitty "progressive"" hcs and the trashy ass music by ghost and all her ripoffs
Even Meiko and Kaito go unused now
In V3 there were too many vocaloids and people stopped giving a fuck
It's probably just because people wouldn't care about songs sung by the others, and why make a song no one will care about
But most vocaloids are around the same quality, the other vocaloids arent like shitty CV UTAUs(cuz then yamaha would be basically robbing people)
Miku hate is annoying but the other loids arent horrible
because yamaha doesn't know what the hell they're doing
mikus update is gonna come eventually, but the new engine is all types of fucked rn no updates so far
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full list of all ghosts loids, she has way more than i thought(when did she get rion?)https://listography.com/ghostandpals
i remember someone telling me she had stardust though (and that she wanted to be a knife sharpener for a job, how edgy)
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she only got 57 followers on nico w each vid only having like 500 views
they dont give a fuck about her we good
if they know about the spergs theyve probably hated us for a while
ECHO is the only western original that japanese people care about, period. except circus monster which was briefly relevant 10 years ago
that said there are some jp ghost fans in the comments of her vids. the whole "superior nihonjin must hate us lmoa" idea really isn't accurate, they're just the same spergs in another country
it's because they overdo it.
"Call me obsequious, I guess I'm a bit dramatic
Sometimes my appetite is eerily erratic
irreconcilable perceptions appeal to my obsessions"
-her appetite of a people pleaser song
She believes bigboy words make her smart and sophisticated
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tumblr was a mistake
>>50020>the pubes>the armpit hair
this person is a huge sjw but they drew kaito and len fucking on their pixiv lol
ghost only has three vids on her nnd tho. and i didn't see any jp comments. only a few english ones.
why is she trying to get famous on nnd anyway? why does literally every autistic american vocafag try to use nnd?
japanese fandom validation + they're weeaboos
there's a reason why the likes of akiglancy used to fully weeb out on nnd before she got that engloid recording gig from zero-g. just look at her song releases prior to getting the job to draw avanna and voicing daina
now she projects herself as a patron saint of engloids with her glorified oc shitshow vocamerica>>50059
it's always the case for these sjws, they hate the male gaze or uglify the shit of out female characters but they'd be into shotacon or yaoi
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i do NOT want ghost to be the introduction to vocalopid for anyone.
everyone should get introduced to vocaloid via either world is mine or ievan polkka
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suprised that ebooks doesnt turn every vocaloid into a fat disabled queer brown person, but their art is still so shit
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>mikumikuebooks has a whole ass kofi for her cringy sjw tweets and shitty 2 sec drawings
>people probably throw money at her anyway
she has at least 20 kofis too. fucking hell
the official cfm eng account would ignored them and they'll never have the clout they're enjoying>>50562
they're also selling shitty keychains before iirc
I actually like KIRA's stuff, but it's kinda obvious he has a bit of an ego. On the high side.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z984m-ftGnE
Here is his cover of Rettou Jotto, a promotion for his two UTAUloids, and both are voiced by him.
The male sounds like any stereotypical western UTAU, whilst the female sounds like a chipmunk because he pitched up his own voice to sound like a girl.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6evzTaBGm4
Needs no explanation. Just look at the artwork.
desu i hate to admit it but i'm kinda jealous of him. he's only like 18 and already a successful music composer and has been one since the age of 18. samr with circus-p, who wrote circus monster at 14.
ghost and creep-p are at least easy to make fun of. kira and circus-p are legitimate talented people.
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saying the no-no word sh*ota is illegal but its totally okay to sexualize kawaii underage trans bois desu
iNSaNiTY, mErcy, circus monster and shatter were all good songs imo, i kinda wonder why he tried to change his style.
Fade (ft dex and daina) was alright, but not as good.
it's as if he's embarrassed about his old style despite his old songs being better.
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do you actually expect a 16 year old girl and a 14 year old girl to look like this? whoever made this is projecting their insecurities
Hunting for attention and saying week after week how worthless she is just to get some nice comments. I remember that like two yeas ago she used to do this few times a month andafter each breakdown she was deleting the tweets. Not to mention such things like those journals :https://www.deviantart.com/marvyanaka/journal/just-to-let-you-know-667138547https://www.deviantart.com/marvyanaka/journal/I-give-up-672401147
As a person who got near her for some time I could write even more. She is toxic
As for the songs… well you all judge yourselves
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you guys done sucking kira's dick?
something i REALLY hate about him is how he doesn't give a shit about any comments that actually say anything positive. only half-assed overused jokes from the same 5 people.
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i can't really get away from this garbage huh
this is an obvious fucking cashgrab. all the images are the same with the flag being the only difference.
>uwu don't give your money to corporations who don't care about queers give it to me while i sell you a half assed drawing
this actually pisses me off
b-but utaureizo! her covers are good (at least her newer ones) she made raine reizo and rena.
if you don't like her you have utakoloid. his only crime is being a furry but he makes good covers
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I like Kuraiinu's stuff. He's a nice guy, with interesting taste. He's VERY skilled in the music department, and his singing abilities surpass JubyPhonic's and Rachie's by a long shot.
The only thing I'm not a huge fan of is the fact that he feels the need to pander to EVERYONE with his whole 'uwu trans rights' thing on twitter.
Is every modern vocaloid music producer like this?
"haha you can make the anime girl say dick and pussy" was obviously the first reaction of a lot of people when vocaloid became a thing
i'm surprised anyone thinks that's still relevant
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some sleppu shit
(warning, sperging ahead)
how does len even look trans, according to them? he has the stature of a 14 year old, and he's supposed to be the exact opposite of rin in the gender department. so it would make sense for him to have a dick contrary to rin having a vag.
maybe i'm looking to far into it.
fujos love to dress up len back then (see imitation black..etc), it's likely they present him as trans now to make it more acceptable than calling him a trap
im guessing anon means uracata >>>/ot/352384
his archived apology: https://archive.li/tgq4E
theres actually lots of snowflake overlap in this thread, artist salt, weeb/omocat, and the old artist drama threads.
This song is the epitome of cringe.
Also, are there any English utaites that can actually, uh, sing?
I think it's supposed to be cringe, but idk.
what i meant was he sings better than juby and rachie. the autotune hoes.
unimportant, but why does he feel the need to say ~guys, gals and nonbinary pals~? isn't bara suppsed to be an exclusively gay guy thing? correct me if i'm wrong.
also, the term used for english singers like him is youtaite. since they dont use nnd and are american.
I mean… you’re right. He is better than Juby and Rachie.
I noticed that they all seem to have their videos monetized, is that legal?
not to sound like a redditor, but what exactly attracts sjws and tumblrinas to vocaloid and utau like flies to honey?
(utau as well, hence the creation of "nonbinary' utauloids like czloid that have obvious female vps)
like, how would vocaloid and utau be appealing to those types?
vocaloid characters in general do not have canon info unless explicitly stated like age, however, that doesn't stop people from interpreting them with their own headcanons
but some take it too far with their autism and we see shit like black, fat, trans, and muslim miku hatsune
as for utaus, they're essentially OCs where you have free reign on their appearance and canon but difference is they have a recorded voice bank for singing>>53654
muh fair use
1. Some producers don't go on YouTube (but it's becoming more and more popular). 2. The majority of producers is just like you & me they don't have legal power, the ones you can't mess with are those who are signed to record labels & even this doesn't mean anything.
They both are entitled idiots with huge egos who vocode like crazy tho and I hope it will catch them someday.
basically what >>53734
Vocaloid/UTAU is a lot of a heavy DIY project, most Vocaloids really only have a design and a few sparse bits of information, and when making a song or song series or whatever you can even change the few aspects that are there, and UTAU is just an OC you can make sing.
Many SJW/Tumblrfag types are also giant fucking weebs, so being able to make your black trans muslim OC sing to your favorite anime OP or Vocaloid song is a big draw.
Because it's women who think they're kawaii transbois just because they aren't like the other girls that are making them.
Meiko is just boobielicious so no one cares about her.
No one cares about Kaito either.
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shit like this depresses me
damn. i never knew how much of a bitch she was. when she and juby sang childish war her parts were WAY over autotuned and the lyrics were hard to make out.
i don't mind english covers, but don't. fucking. monetize. your. covers. and give some credit to the original producer! kuraiinu and juby at least can sing, and kura makes original stuff and adds spins to his covers.
I feel the opposite about Juby and Rachie, but their voices both sound put-on at times. It's interesting that you understand Juby better, I usually have to read her lyrics to hear half of them.
And about monetizing covers, I still can't believe that any utaite act like it's a real job, taking requests on patreon and such. Taking a hobby and turning it into a cynical cashgrab seems to be a special talent everyone in the Vocaloid scene possesses.
most youtaite have shitty eng lyrics too.
kuraiinu kept advertising shit via popups in his meltdown cover.
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so what's the deal with this?>>55507
same I'm tired
the mikubooks account was a fucking mistake, it's one of the things enabling this bullshit
What'd GHOST do to them, I wanna know
(Probably called them pedo or something retarded)
maybe if the comm sees ghost isnt an angel and "cancels" her some of the ripoffs and ppl who worship her will fuck off and at least itll be a little less edgy
but they see her as a god so i doubt it
Hey, Shius here. I'm gonna make this pretty short and clear.
Basically GHOST and I (along with Jim) were friends at one point, (really good friends at that) until I tried to kill myself due to severe depression and GHOST basically abandoned me. They worried about me in public (twitter and yet livestreams) but never once came to me in private. I had a 7 day window before I was gonna officially off myself. Shit happened, and I called it off. I was basically saved by steam and my dad. Of all the seven days, only steam had messaged me consistently.
When I cut ties with GHOST after, they basically used isolation tactics, calling me out as the one in the wrong. All my friends that were their friends ofc took GHOSTs side. Basically GHOST accused me of being "problematic
" cause I told her to "kill themself".
I never did. It's just that I remember this one time I said I would understand if they offed themselves (cause of their situations at home) but I would be sad to see them go.
What the genuine fuck.
I used to see Ghost as nothing more than some dumb fangirl, but holy shit. I hate her now.
Thank you for sharing what happened.
Thanks for sharing m8, I'm not familiar with your works but wow, fuck Ghost. I knew she was rude to fans and shit and all her songs were hit and miss with me, but fuck that fake concern shit from her.
Hope things get better for ya.
Ghost apologized. I'm past it and I'm not entirely comfortable with sharing caps of a time I was seriously going to kill myself. Sorry.
Everyone involved has kept to their word of being fair, and I'm not about to break that. If you want some dirt on GHOST, I'm not the one to go to.
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He didn't specify, lol.
most of this dude's content is MONETIZED covers of other peoples work. this clown ALSO has a pareton which he refuses to shut the fuck up about.
At least he's not as bad as Will Stetson, who tells people to pay him to cover songs.
What a baby
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If anyone wants some fresh tea on Akiglancy, she's still selling these cringe Moomin merchandise on her patreon despite being TOLD you need an official character license to do anything with Moomins. but nope, she commissioned that artwork and she's not going to back off monetizing it. It's funny because she's said publically she won't be selling them but she turns around and puts them on her Patreon under "Moominloids."
Please stop supporting literal IP theft and greed. This is just sad. I'll bet Meghan can't pay the rent this month and has to sell Moomins to compensate.
Out of curiosity how much do you need to pledge to get those?
Also this might belong in the art salt thread but I can't stand AkiGlancy's art. It looks like those knockoff how-to-draw anime/manga characters. If she could get away mirroring a part, she would do it down to the shading. Why people still pay for that stuff is beyond me.
anything over >$0 is too much of a pledge.
I think those are commissioned (off one of her friends who also has bad art imo) / and not her art, but agree with you there anon.
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She's been pumping out keychain designs like mad for the last couple of months. First it was the Moominloids, then it was the anime archetype cows (YANDAIRY HAHAHAAHA GET IT IT'S LIKE YANDERE BUT NOT), and now it's whatever random shit she can think of, including Dex and Daina, Ruby, and those two guys from that Good Omens show. She's getting desperate for money now that more and more people are realizing that Vocamerica was a fucking scam. Her Patreon isn't even pulling in three hundred dollars a month anymore.>>60010
I was trying to think of what it reminded me of and you summarized it perfectly. Her chibis are especially disgusting.
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god her vocamerica chibi keychains look like mlp abominations
iirc vocamerica got a better artist on board to draw new keychain designs but the artist is a cow himself (at least in the spanish fandom), especially with his failed vocaloid attempt being dead on arrival on the reveal day
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Her Oliver design is cancer. She gave a twelve year old boy Nicki Minaj hips and when people complained she just said "it's my style lolz". Also, do you mean the Akuo designs? Because those are actually pretty cute, but I had no idea he was the one behind that Luan shitshow. You have any specific details on his cow qualities?
Akuo is a major piece of shit. There is a long history of horrible things he has done but the fandom barrier prevents the English fanbase from knowing. Even in the general Spanish convention scene he is not well liked. He mistreats a lot of Spanish artists in private like a High school mean girl.
In public, when Vocaloid designing contests used to be frequent he would enter all of them because his dream was having his own Vocaloid and become a Vocaloid designer, and eventually he convinced that other older dude of making it for him (which is how the Luan shitshow came to be). Back then his strategy was enter all design contests and he was a sore loser. He bullied the winners of both the Maika and the Alys contest and spread defamation on Facebook claiming the artists traced, copied designs, the companies had bias and shit all over them. He was so inflammatory Voctrolabs banned him from their Facebook page for a while.
He also pretended to be a producer and got music made for him by ghost producers, got donated free art to use in said songs by spanish fanbase artists and when the ghost producers dropped him because he was so difficult to work with, all those projects flunked and ghosted every artist. All of his supposed "original songs" were not composed by him. Everything is a fame gaining scheme to him.
After years of problems people turned on him and he shat all over the spanish fandom and claimed he was done with Vocaloid forever because Vocaloid was the worst fandom of all. Then after years of radio silence Luan happened and everybody recognized the silhouette of the art and the shota archetype to be one of his doings (he is into shotacon and drew it for money on Patreon). There was a shitstorm, callout posts were made and he scurried away for years again until AkiGlancy lured him back with money. He is involved in Vocamerica because his boyfriend makes the models and he does the textures for them. AkiGlancy finds their relationship very kawaii yaoi so she ignores any drama surrounding Akuo.
I remember when Luan came out, I legitimately thought it was another prank voice using Bruno and Clara XSY. It didn't take long the voice provider was leaked and that's where I learned about Akuo being shitty. Some people from the Spanish fandom were kind enough to translate the gist of the drama surrounding him but I never thought it would be this worse.>>60398
some anon brought that up like a year ago here >>12345
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I just don't get how he gets away with so much shit, I guess it's because he's pals with most of the Spanish cosplay clique. I forgot about his Vocaloid drama tho, I mostly remembered the shota art scandal, thanks for reminding me anon
pic related is his Maika design which got an "honorary mention"
I remember telling a fellow vocaloid fan about all these shitty cashgrabs in the fandom, along with all these embarrassing wannabe-utaite that live off of shitty patreon covers. All she said was 'they need to make money and live somehow.'
I didn't know what to say after that.
Oh my fucking lord. I had no idea he had such a history but goddamn am I sad that I missed out on all that drama when it was happening. It's a shame he's such a talented artist when all of that talent is being used by a huge tool. >>60460
Any time you call out a producer or diet utaite for their e-begging they always shoot back "BUT I HAVE TO MAKE A LIVING YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND". I remember when Sam was shilling some kind of one-on-one course on his Twitter, either for tuning or songwriting, and he was trying to defend himself with that excuse. As if getting a part-time job like a normal fucking person wasn't an option. A lot of people don't realize that music production rarely pulls in a livable cash flow unless you're hugely popular with a fanbase that isn't 99% middle school weebs, so you're definitely going to need to have a stable income to rely on in the meantime.
For a "poor mans cevio" the newer voicebanks they've been producing are not bad, he may be on a high horse, but once he finally works on projects and unique voicebanks, synthV has the potential to overshadow cevio, sinsy, and vocaloid lol.
If anything, i just hate the designs for Genbu and Forte, they're too cutesy and anime for a software that should also appeal to actual producers.
Yeah, I agree it has potential. Some banks do sound nice, but the sample he provided in the aforementioned tweet does not sound much different from anything we've already heard every other HTS based engine produce - treble frequencies aside, they sound good.
Vocal variety, and growing support from 3rd party companies? Sure.
"The world's most advanced singing synthesis engine"? Nah.
This kinda makes me sad because I genuinely really love Vocaloid and UTAU, even knowing that they will both fail.
See, Vocaloid 5 is a blantant shitshow with nothing to offer but 4 bland starter generic voices and two 'nonbinary' obvious female voices. I'd like to see Yamaha and Crypton make a comeback, though.
UTAU on the other hand is so old a program that it will eventually be incompatible with next gen computers.
Wait how is Genbu even anything like Flower?
Renri sounds too much like VY2 though…
I'm talking about this sample anonhttps://clyp.it/az0rdqub
this is the original JP vb til Renri took over lol
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Wow this takes me down the memory lane. I haven't been up to news since ~'12-13.
And yet boy, nothing sure has changed in this shithole of a "community" over the years.
Same clichés, same dramas, same cliques, same sjw and tumblrisms.
My only fond memory is Miko Ooka's creator. Or artist. Fuck I can't remember now. I don't remember the exact details but they interacted with me on Twitter even with my broken gaijin japanese and they were so, so kind. Still holds a soft spot in my heart. Fuck. >>52971>>52994
rev is a pretentious cunt who acts holier-than-thou and uses/interacts with japanese fans/creators like accessories and not actual people for clout
then again that's just like the rest of the community i suppose
fucking danganronpa fans
oh, these are both shitty parody accounts of miku ebooks.
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you had one job(wrong thread)
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not here to defend her, people are pointing out that her cosplay looks nothing like Luo, but apparently this costume is a thing made by 1/3 Delusion (correct me if I'm wrong). Just search for it on Aliexpress lol.
Nevertheless this is not an excuse for how poorly this cosplay is done (like the rest of her cosplays, duh)
I like the concept, the lyrics and the art/video. The music and tuning are completely horrible, my ears are bleeding. I think the only good Creep song is Father and maybe Animalistic if we're being generous.
I generally do not mind "messy" songs or stuff that sounds like cacophony, but grindcore is more listeneable than his shit. I don't get why he has fans. I don't get why he even bothers at all. Delusional.
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the utau fandom and wiki owners in general are a bunch of elitist assholes who go "uwu my garbage singing oc is SO much better than any vocaloid!!!"
it's also noticeable that more of the admins on the UTAU wiki are switching to this cringworthy format that looks like the Steven Univserse Wiki.
This is the new info sheet for Teto.>pronouns>gender: chimera
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they defend UTAU like some underdog but same the bunch would throw UTAU under a bus if they get their singing OC on a different engine because lbr no normies would even touch UTAU
They hate to admit Vocaloid has brand recognition. If their singing OC is on something that's more accessible, they'll steer that way and don't have to resort begging for someone to use their singing OC. It's all about getting egos inflated when someone uses your singing OC.
when Plogue hinted custom voices on Alter/Ego could be a thing, people were bugging Plogue how but they eventually killed off A/E support anyway
when SynthV became a thing and Renri got ported on it, they were hounding the dev on how to get their singing OC on it until the dev put up a paywall to do so
when DeepVocal (formerly SharpKey) became a thing, guess who were rushing to port their singing OC on it and praising the interface to be like Vocaloid
an UTAU voicer got on the Emvoice engine but the company is doing a good job pissing off users so no one really wants to use it
UTAU stans project too much, you'd often hear them say shit like "If I were to voice a Vocaloid.."
damn. i kinda want to make my own utau (maybe without a design like vy2 and vy1) but now these responses give me second thoughts.
does anyone have tips on making an actually decent utau?
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found it, vid and its autistic comments are herehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pdxMg2ViASU
how did this thing even get people to sperg in the first place? its not that bad, sounds great for weeb OC machine
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I think it's because of accounts like this.
That seems to be mostly a joke account. I've seen her YT vids, and she's not that bad a person.
Shit like THIS, however, is what I believe causes drama in the western UTAU community.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf4lzDIaI-k
Disagree. I don't think a tranny angst song with less than 1000 views is the root of drama in the UTAU community.
I think the issue is that people only care for their own super special snowflake voicebanks and the popular voices (Teto/Ritsu/Ruko/Gahata/Aiko), so it's a highly self-centered community where user x thinks their bank is better than user y's because x's bank is vcccccccccccvvvvcvcvcvvv multipitch with vocal fry and people use each other to try and piggyback off of other user's fame and such
What drama do videos like these even cause? >>62105
is more on the money. I'm not even sure how the UTAU community continues to get more members with how anyone that can't devote all their time to making a multipitch voicebank gets ignored.
I usually see people whining why their singing OC isn't popular yet or why no one uses it. People get jealous of other UTAUs who get popular (or get noticed by the Japanese fandom lol). Then the shitflinging starts, they accuse each other of having cliques and it just becomes a mess from there.
What gets me the most are those people who aren't even willing to pour in minimum effort in their UTAU (ex: don't want to OTO) and just expect asspats to come out of nowhere.
there are one or two points where it almost sounds like an actual song while the rest is a worthless clusterfuck. i feel like the only reason why his videos get clicks at all is because he commissions talented artists and pv editors to make sure his tribe of speds have something pretty to look at.>>61909
you summarized my annoyance with the obsessive utau community perfectly. used to see a lot of these saddos on the vocaloidotaku forums before they went down and it was painfully obvious they were just salty that even vocaloid's worst voicebanks still got more attention than their singing oc.
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Part of the problem could also be the whiny ass UTAU wiki and their "certain terms are problematic
" shtick, going as far as to disrespect the original wishes of the creators of Yokune Ruko.
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ladies and gentlemen? we got one.
(late reply sorry) Maybe I just have low expectations, but I actually like this song. It seems well produced, the visuals are great, and the story is interesting.
I also kinda have a bias when it comes to Len though, so that might be it.
Then again, this is actually a remake of another song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT3tpdyoiMQ
Oh hey ghost is advertising her new song on lolcow again how unexpected
gtfo ghost, nobody likes your shit.
Came here to post about this- I happened to catch it live and it sounds fucking horrendous- seeing 14 year olds flooding the livechat with "sis wow you snatched my wig tea what a bop" was so surreal. It's almost like these people are more fans of GHOST than her own music, and they think she can't do any wrong. It's a complete hivemind.
On another note, anyone have any idea who Spider on the Wall is about?
looked up the lyrics and yeah, that's basically it. speaking of which, does shay still live with her ~abusive
~ parents or has she finally moved out? a few months ago i saw something on her twitter that mentioned roommates, but i don't know. she's been a grownass woman for years now and yet she still acts like a whiny high school girl from her marz mitzi days.
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I agree. Just don't get caught. This is what happened when one of ghost's white knights told her about me trying to make a callout post on her.
the minute you find anything incriminating from any big name producer, screencap it. archive it. record it. write down interviews from people that have been affected by them. make sure to get whatever you can because i have a bad feeling there's some bleak shit going on that the fandom at large is ignoring. >>63020>>63027>>63029
i call her shay and not ghost because of shit like this. if she's going to act like this, everyone should know her real name. she doesn't get to hide behind a dumb pseudonym.
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Thought this screenshot was a little suspect mainly because this isn't how she talks, so I personally went to shay, and she sent me this. You can't really edit mobile receipts, but I'm not shocked that Desuka would be the one who posted this.
He literally did this >>12498
What a fucking joke.
Dude, fuck off. No-one gives a fuck about what you do. If you want to leave, then leave it entirely.
Is anyone in this community fucking okay? Go outside.
jealousy must motivate you to improve, not "i'M mAkInG a CaLlOuT HeRe'S mY fAkE rEcEiPtS"
what a clown
Fuck off with your orchestrated callout bullshit. The only thing this fandom needs as the nail in the coffin is to hammer in more of this Tumblr shit into it, or worse, Vocaloid drama channels. Why is our community so embarrassing.>>63127
You have to be over 18 to post here. Can't possibly believe you would be.
You don’t get it, none of you do! This is what I’m taking about! THIS is why I’m leaving! This whole community is full of people who think they’re better than me just because they don’t make mistakes or fuck up in front of their fans! We’re ALL fucked up! Yes, I was being toxic
, but that shit is OVER. Yes, I made a horrible meme as a coping mechanism, THAT SHIT IS OVER TOO. You’re all self-centered assholes! You all keep waiting for people to congratulate you for absolutely nothing! “Hooray for you!” Fuck you! You’re all pricks! I AM better than you all, because i’m Honest with my mistakes, unlike you fuckers! I’m out.
too much edge, you're digging your own grave right here brother
exactly is “Miku says trans rights!” a bad thing?
My theory is that the “god” in the song represents the singer’s inner feelings regarding their father. Basically, I think it’s about a victim
of child abuse, having disturbing fantasies at getting back at their abusive
father, and eventually escapes him with the help of their mother. That’s my theory at least.
Well this is a shitshow.
None of us are saying we're better than you, you prick. We're saying you use your jealousy in the wrong ways and you need to improve yourself as a person AND a musician.
This entire fandom has just gone to shit, hasn't it?
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late but these are still on her storenvy
and iirc those other designs can be obtained by pledging $25 on her patreon
Shit started going downhill around 2014-2015 if I'm correct.
Retarded much? Of course I'm better than you because my jelousy turns into motivation to improve and I'm not making tumblr-level callouts full of fake info
your "songs" are worse than ghost's even though you're a literal copypaste of hers
Go get a life or something instead of slandering people, you narcissistic clown
My guy your reputation isn't the only shitty one. The entire Western Vocaloid community is a toxic
By improving yourself. Trying to right your wrongs and not drowning in self pity. But that's the hard part, admitting that you're pitying yourself. If everything is 'woe is me' thats just you telling yourself on a subconscious level that things happen to you, that you don't control them. You need to control them.
You need to take control of your life your music, your reputation. First of all, instead of trying to copy GHOST you need to find your own style. Instead of drowning in pity, you need to learn to let things go and instead of letting jealousy make you bitter you need to use it to surpass GHOST and gain a fanbase that is actually decent.
Its hard. It's incredibly hard. But everyone is capable of change.
THANK you. I appreciate it.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/492838539135025154/607639648830881801/Monster_Factory_DONE.mp3
Here's what I tried to so, away from Ghost's style, though there might still be remnants from the transition.>>63288
Surprisingly? Yes. I can even handle a full on callout if needed in order to improve.
really too convenient for you to shit up this thread only to come back asking for asspats, leave.>>63292
Someone posted this, actually.
It sounds a lot better than GHOST's stuff in my opinion, but I have to agree with >>63291
, it'd be better to take a break from the internet for a bit.
You're on the right track, though.
One thing that I really
struggle with is the fact that certain people certainly
won't want me (as Desuka) in their lives anymore. They are entitled to not forgive me, it is THEIR
choice. Not mine. I just need to get that through my damn skull and It'll be one less issue.
I don't think toy instruments directly links to GHOST, per se. The biggest thing you could do to differentiate yourself from that hack is to learn music theory.
Y know, that thing she absolutely refuses to? THere's probably a book or class on it or something.
Actually, I have to ask, what is
music theory exactly? Cause I don't know if any of my songs have utilized it…
Taken from wikipedia:
"Music theory is the study of the practices and possibilities of music. … Music theory is frequently concerned with describing how musicians and composers make music, including tuning systems and composition methods among other topics."
inject your personality into your music. what do you like listening to for fun? why do you like listening to it? is there any way that you could put a different spin on it and make it yours? listen to some tracks and pick them apart. what is the percussion doing? how are the instruments interacting with each other (harmonizing, call-and-response, polyphonic vs monophonic vs homophonic textures, etc.)? how many instruments are there? what kind are they and how are they used? also, never underestimate the raw power of fucking around when you're bored. i've made some of my best stuff when my brain was on autopilot.
and of course, e x p e r i m e n t. doodle around on your daw. click on synths to see what sounds cool. if you have an idea for a melody that doesn't fit your usual fare, throw that shit down on a track anyways. if you don't leave your comfort zone every once in a while, you stagnate and turn into every other producer like circus, eyeris, shay, aki, and so on.
I can't say I've ever heard of you or your music, but the fact you recognize the toxic
patterns is a good thing. Don't let having a fanbase get to your head and for the love of god, don't associate with GHOST or Creep-p
Hey, don't write me off as a lost cause, I'm trying. And I wanna try with
you, not against you.
So, deets on Eyeris, or Krypt as I knew him… Not too surprising given the stuff on here. He was in a small group with some other people I knew. Me being the star-struck 16 year old I was, I naturally wanted to be "Just like him! :D". I worshipped the very ground he stood on and it took me a while to see past his technicolor sludge. He constantly shilled his album, would only come to calls on skype just to say "Lol my life is pointles XDDDDDD" and leave. When he was on call not just being what I now know as obnoxious self deprecation for small sympathy points to fuel his cheap makeup-encrusted ego, he was talking about how he hated himself (despite living in a nice house and having equipment that I envied at the time) and then at the drop of a hat, talk about how great his music was. It was chaos. Long story short, I got into an argument with his friend (unnamed because we are on good terms now) and said some things I regretted at the time. Eyeris got upset over the situation and called me a multitude of names. I called him a pansy, deleted my old channel (not really worth looking into since I didn't post anything on there regardless), and came back years later as my current producer self. I used to be worried about telling people this for fear of Eyeris coming back for me and dragging my aspirations through the mud, but I'm not the person he painted me as anymore. I've grown, improved my character, and now I'm no longer afraid of him.
I've already taken a break from producing and other stuff for a year, if I do need to spend more time away, then I'd like for it to not
be another year.
sounds about right. i had a feeling he was as obnoxious as his music so it's good to see everything finally laid out and confirmed. >>63343
it's fun to bitch about the things that everyone else is too afraid to bring up, and it's also fun to give critique to someone who actually wants to hear it. both are cathartic because neither of them are acceptable in the fandom at large.
We're witnessing a villain redemption arc.
Shitting on people is fun, though, so both are good in their own way.
And while we're on the topic of tea, I need to explain my experience with shay. So I actually got to know ghost a bit due to some things we had in common, and for like a week, everything was looking up. However, people noticed I was bragging
(which is true) about being friends with them. Then, they contacted me, saying that they felt like it would be better to not talk anymore, due to getting some receipts from another person about some of the questionable stuff I've done. I was mortified, but calmly told them that I understood. I then spent the next few days pitying myself over this, and vowed to make a song/do something to mentally break them. That was the catalyst of everything falling apart. Ghost got told about THAT too, and warned me not to do anything stupid, And then I absolutely went all tumblr on the community, telling some people to fuck themselves, cut themselves, etc. Karasuhana made a post on soundcloud about it… and everyone
started to attack me about it. I begged
Karasuhana to take the post down, even going as far as to say I couldn't live with myself knowing that the post was up. Eventually, things died down and the post was removed… and then Wowaka died. In response to this, I made a very
disgusting meme of the mrs kiesha vine, except the doll's face was replaced by Wowaka's. Needless to say, Karasuhana striked again and posted a tweet with proof I made it. Then everything turned to shit again
. I then became jaded, bitter over everything that happened, so I decided that if I was gonna go down, I'd bring as many people down with me. so I tried setting up "proof" that Ghost was a bad person, but of course i was found out. Eventually, I finally
went to therapy and am getting the help I need. So yeah, this all started because I basically was a bootlicker towards Ghost. That's my story, I guess.
A vivsection is when you disect someone or something while they're still alive.
I THINK a grammophone is an old timey record player? idk
it absolutely isn't the right way to go. it just makes me think of all those producers who turn out song after song about their abusive
relationships or whatever and i just. it confuses me. if you've had such a painful experience with such a shitty person, why on earth would you want to not only think about it more, but also go through the effort of constantly writing lyrics around that experience? generally speaking, the best, healthiest thing to do is to move on from the past and focus on the good things that are in the present.
i'm kinda curious… what was
their home life like?
I still remember her mentioning her abusive
parents and that's kind of it? She's currently living with a roommate if I'm correct.
something something her dad was a big meanie something something. could mean just about anything though since tumblr's definition of "abusive
" is extremely broad. she probably had a standard home life but wanted to look like a victim
Yeah, it was because of a song she didn't like. I can't remember if it was that one or Secrets of Wysteria.
She didn't just accuse of him of pedophilia, she accused him of actually molesting a child. Her fans were talking about finding his address and SWATing him, dunno if it ever happened though.
Sucks that she deleted her tumbr or I'd get the screenshots for it.
These two are contributing to the discussion and have made valid
points about Shay and Creep
I think you should confront Creep privately.
Personally, I've had huge issues with Creep, especially back when he and Shay had issues. We didn't talk for a few months after he said some really fucked up things to me, but I went to him and confronted him late last year, and we did have a very civil conversation. He still annoys the absolute fuck out of me from time to time, but I'll give credit where credit is due, and even say to give him the benefit of the doubt.
It was GHOST-AND-PALS I think?
If that doesn't work try it without the hyphens.
I tried inserting it into the wayback machine, but I couldn't find anything other than random fangirl anons and fanart of her communications characters. so in other words: nothing worthwhile.
thanks for providing the url anyway.
(unimportant, but did shay always identify as NB? i know there are records as early as 2017 putting they/them in her twitter bio. it's not that important to know, but i'm curious anyways)
Read the rules, newfag.
Please farmhands (where are you?), nuke that cesspool of a thread.
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these fucking namefagging underaged morons who have never used an imageboard before. a pox on your family.
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The 18+ rule for one for probably multiple people here (specifcally Desuka), Desuka evaded a ban since he's posted here before and was put out to pasture, blog-posting multiple times, namefagging (Shius, MOROS, and Desuka), using this thread for a callout (we're not your personal army), vendetta posting, tinfoiling, and probably more retarded shit.
Seriously, farmheads, delete.
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god her fucking tumblr layout was painful to read. my eyes hurt just from trying to dig up the relevant pictures.
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also, apologies that these are practically images for ants. i took these back in 2016 and i had no idea they'd actually be useful for something.
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and that's all i have about her lover's spat with eyeris.
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bonus: shay accusing steam and his associates of being toxic abusive problematic baby-eating peodphiles. part 1 of 3.
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and finally, for dessert, a bonus screencap. hopefully it'll get a laff or two because it sure did get one out of me.
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Who fucking cares some literal who sent a gross foot pic in chat? How does that warrant a callout video? >>64045
Jfc it's normal, just means you're improving and set higher standards for yourself now.
Damn did they delete it?
Can't find it + the most miniscule drama blows up in the fandom, but I only see 1 tweet about it
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instead of giving everyone who donated to the vocamerica kickstarter their money's worth, aki is making more useless knick-knacks, including a keychain set that proves the highlight of her life was getting her own vocaloid. this is what $21,000 looks like i guess.
oh shit you're right she does. there was one stream where she said that, in return for a pv for one of her upcoming songs, she would give the artist vocamerica merch as payment. >>64199
money-hungry, pompous, saddo faggots are a reoccurring theme in this fandom. they got tons of attention for appealing to the lowest common denominator so now they think that makes them the king of the hill.
After those ugly models (that might I add they never delivered the extra VOCALOID models they said they would) they used in the concert, I'm not even surprised over the lack of quality in these. Nice use of 21k.>>64192
Yeah, she stated that in a YouTube announcement or something. I don't know what makes her think doing that is OK. It's also very interesting that this didn't make anyone in the fandom raise any eyebrows, which is funny, considering the sheer amount of "woke" people in the fandom who love posting and retweeting hot takes about how animators are undervalued/not well paid in the industry. I guess it's not a problem when Aki does it… Gotta love those double standards! I can't even begin to fathom how she somehow convinced people to accept that as payment.
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you're right. she doesn't even have money to buy stuff aside from whatever she's taken from others through her store and vocamerica. i also seriously doubt she even pays people to do translations for her shit chinese songs either. her songs are boring and uninteresting to me in general, so it's not like putting it in another language is going to make it any better. TLDR it's obvious she uses people and pays them in her keychains and albums to do it. don't support that shit. nothing about what she does is fucking amazing
off topic. not that anyone cares about ghost, but has anyone noticed how lupin/kenji or whatever his name is now tries to be more relevant by flexing that he's the voice of dex and riding on the coats of other people to do that? like honey i'm home got a lot of attention so the only way to get said attention is to cover whatever the fuck got it?
i remember someone asking if there's any issues with lupin and there's not much to say except that he bitches and complains about people making complaints about dex and daina. not to the same level as misha does about ruby but he still whines about it lol and as of recently he's being a massive try hard
if you check lupin's twitter all he tweets about other than anything vocaloid related is constant politics and whining, and any far-left journalist articles.
these kinds of people were literally all middle school loser weebs who for some reason declare themselves as being at the top of the western vocaloid community. it makes me mad
once they get to "the top", they act smug and elite. they think they are "holier than thou". it's condescending bullshit and disgusting. and their fans eat that shit up.
it's hypocritical how in the beginning after dex and daina's voicers were revealed, lupin was "okay" with criticisms for them as long as they were "valid
" and actual criticisms. now he can't stand it and whines every time someone mentions it. say they can't grow and he gets mad about it even if it's the truth. he and aki literally admitted they didn't know how to growl so they made wookie noises and somehow that passed in the final.
sorry this is a thing people buy and not an utau that nobody has to give a shit about or pay for. nobody has to act like dex and daina are perfect when they're not. get over yourself.
I agree. It's also borderline creepy how he mentions his egosearching on Dex is "fandom and content management" (last time I checked Twitter wasn't a fandom forum in need of admins). I've seen him go as far as putting himself in the middle of people's conversation to counter any kind of criticism towards Dex.
I honestly think Ruby, Dex and Daina were the downfall of the western fandom. It was dumb of these companies to give people, who can barely handle an ounce of actual criticism, this kind of power. These three are basically glorified branded UTAUs and their voicers (Misha to an unbearable degree) also act like they're so. Baffling how it's a thing people have to pay for to use.
it's creepy and pathetic really. this is sold software. people have a right to complain about it if it has problems. policing it makes no sense and it just makes them look like overly sensitive whiny children who can't handle something as little as "their voices aren't for me". there has to be a "why" for everything and if shit is bad, then they'll make a whole ass thread about it and why their "feewings are hurwt". never should have left utau if they can't handle real criticism but they would rather get the clout of "voicing a vocaloid uwu i'm so cool now"
you're right about ruby, dex, and daina being part of the downfall of the western fandom. i've seen people complain about producers being directly involved in making a vocaloid and it's shit like this that proves it right. they obviously don't give that much of a fuck about vocaloid itself and only want the attention that comes with being one lol. if there's any more of this shit, it better be from someone who knows what they're doing and are humble about it instead of doing it for clout
of all three of them dex is probably the better. he has a good voice type but the quality isn't that good imo and he has a bored tone of voice by default, so he needs good tuning. people can say to separate the voice from the voicer, but it's hard to do that if the voicers are active in the fandom and are unbearable condescending people who are so full of themselves and far up their own asses that they think they have a right to police everyone and their legit criticisms. disgusting.
considering the shit qualities that daina, dex and ruby have, the bar is low. count in luan too since his voicer is a genuine asshole who keeps trying to insert himself into making a vocaloid so he can roll in fame and clout. his voice wasn't even good according to the spanish fans i think.
you know it's for clout and attention whoring when they put "voice provider edition" for anything. non-western voicers don't do this shit. they just cover, promote the original and leave. but i don't think these attention-starved cows understand that. too busy trying to stay "relevant" and "at the top" while stealing money from weebs with their shit quality merch. love where the 21k went into.
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>no african vocaloids
>no hispanic vocaloids
bruno, clara and maika
not even going to bother explaining the "no asian vocaloids"
i've pretty much got the perfect way to describe shay. she NEVER shows potential, both emotionally AND musically. She does nothing in the face of witnessing or being the one deep in misfortune… And that comes with very
unfortunate implication that she's simply a cruel and childish person who's completely apathetic to other people's distress, so she chooses to instead turn those moments into a chance to boost her "likability" by expressing a fake sense of sympathy, understanding, and condolence… all to get some fucking clout. shame on her. Did I get at least something right?
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"M-muh 17 year old is a child rule!"
Get the fuck back to Tumblr. I cannot believe you think like this and I cannot believe you're holding onto your fake justice in a place like this. The worst part of it all is you're moralfagging for someone who consistently throws tantrums, exhibits disgusting behavior and shows no signs of improvement.
Not to mention the little faggot turned 18 just today. >>63500
there are like 6 dark skinned vocaloids, people just complain because they arent "kawaii anime" enough
people literally want crypton to make a black vocaloid and say theyre racist for not doing so
they always say "dark skinned asians exist" as if all of them are dark & every vocaloid should be dark skinned
rep is nice, but vocaloid caters to the japanese market now so theres no reason for every vocaloid to be some gay disabled brown skinned arabian is so unrealistic.
these people also get pissed when vocaloid artists draw something "problematic
" to their tumblr standards.
they dont dedicate their lives & careers to SJW causes what did you expect
Wrong place at the wrong time. It was around when every nerdy teen girl fandom was on Tumblr, and wires got crossed.
The people who bitch about problematic
songs are probably newfags imo. Not saying they're necessarily wrong for hating lolicon, but they seem to be generally unaware of how many major producers have sexualized the underage characters.
Also everyone seems to get really butthurt if you reference Vocaloid declining for some reason
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more shit unwanted merch, all yours for $15>>64835
miku, tianyi, and ia (to a certain extent) are getting collaborations left and right at neckbreak speeds, i think vocaloid is fine. it's just there's that bunch getting assmad singing robots are getting mainstream (but their irrelevant fave is gets nothing)
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Seems some Western audiences have dropped Kikuo for doing something most JP Vocaloid producers have done back in the NND days anyway. Hey, at least that means less "slay tea bop slapper king" comments under his videos.
havent looked at it myself but your description sounds something more akin to someone writing fictional stories about their own trama then anything cp or porny..
man they are dense
I looked at his Pixiv and skimmed through the manga, and from what I saw, and the very few bits I was able to translate, I have to say I agree with >>64938>>64925
I actually wonder if it might be autobiographical. Without a translation, though, it's hard to read much into his intent IMO. But in the bio, he describes the content as "naughty"/"ecchi", which is sort of concerning.
Is there a way to get someone (or a group) to translate the chapters for full context? There's a ton of context missing for the non nip-speaking part of the fandom, IMO. OP probably just saw the images alone and freaked out.
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jesus fucking christ i am getting too old for this shit.
It could be done, but by the time anyone finishes it, people will probably have forgotten about the drama, lol.
There's a major moral at the end where the two main characters learn to move on from their abuse and start a healthy relationship (instead of continuing the cycle, like they did in the first part). I think that makes the point of the comic more clear. Unfortunately it's not really possible to tell from just the illustrations.
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Found out more about Kikuo
He used to be named Pedo-o and had a group with Loli.co (Red Egg) named PTPD (last updated 2012)
He became Kikuo in 2008 when he did a remix of a song by LOLI.COM. His name, Kikuo, was listed on the site in 2011 when the top song came out (Kikuo as the composer)- it really doesn’t help that Gommenne Gommenne came out the same year
It also REALLY doesn’t help that Red Egg helped him on Waltz of Malice
Link to PTPD’s site - http://fdempa.com/redchick/ptpd/
Normally yes, but… they pretty much just worked with hardcore porn producers that wanted them to go nuts.https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12977175
Christ, I didn't know all this about him.
That definitely makes the whole situation more complicated and shady. The Twitter person is a dumbass, but a broken clock etc etc. I'm still hoping for a translation for the manga.
Honestly, though, a song like "Gomenne, Gomenne" about a little girl? Written by a grown man? It should've set up red flags to begin with. I don't get how all these people didn't cancel him from the start for that shit. It's not like English subs were unavailable until today.
The person on twitter is a clout-searching POS, for sure. Fuck them for not doing any research and just looking at the surface of things.
As for Kikuo’s songs before the discourse, I’m Sorry I’m Sorry seemed to be created to tell a story rather than for fetish reasons (some people even speculating that it’s his way of coping). And, unlike MARETU, his songs are always shown from the perspective of the victim
and are more sad than aggressive. What also threw me off was Hitogawari and how it was about a girl dealing with trauma from a past abusive
relationship yet is now in a healthy one. It reminded me of the book Lolita and how everyone hated it simply because it had disturbing themes, despite having a good moral- obviously that doesn’t apply to Kikuo anymore though
Same, honestly. All this time, I seriously thought he just wrote dark songs about child abuse and trauma in general to raise awareness and tell stories about what are usually taboo topics.
All of this other shit is making me pause and reconsider everything.
It’s your own choice. Personally, I think I’ll still listen to them but I won’t support Kikuo until he’s disproved all the pedo claims (which I doubt he’ll do considering the PTPD is Kikuo and Red Egg seemed to be common info in the Eastern community).
No one should shun you for still listening to him, especially since he’s so popular. I just recommend you don’t say anything like “I still support Kikuo”
still liking the songs is okay. you're allowed to enjoy content but not directly support the producer in any way if that's how you want to deal with it.
i personally still listen to his music, but won't buy his stuff and give money to his patreon. especially not after all this.
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Kikuo responded to the callout…
One of their songs was translated a long time ago.https://takeit-home.livejournal.com/27795.html
It's not very serious tbh. This stuff also happened before kikuo started earnestly writing about child abuse, kinda seems like an old edgelord phase.
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I'm so ready for CP anon to come back and argue, I am ready to watch this shitshow.
PTPD last for four years (2008-2012), Gommenne Gommenne, which is probably his most descriptive song, came out in 2011 just 2 months after 放課後かすたむ☆たいむ
Besides, I still think it’s really weird how the site hasn’t been taken down or how he hasn’t removed his name. I feel like that’s the first thing you’d do for damage control. It’s not like he forgot or anything, considering he still works with Red Egg and everything
“Not wanting his work to be misinterpreted”
Yeah, okay, well he did a shit job of that then. I feel like, maybe, if you previously were a part of a group that produces loli and you wanted to speak out about child abuse- it’d cross your mind to get rid of anything that would make people think otherwise or at least explain it or apologize.
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So, I tried (again) to read this, and I think we need an English translation, and soon.
Throughout the pages, you notice that the kids and adults are drawn in very different, distinct way. However, the older girl is drawn to look the exact same age as the boy, despite it repeatedly being underlined that she's older than him, and the fact that he sees her as a "big sister". Literally the only time she's drawn to look significantly older and bigger than him (like she would be in reality) is on the page where he sees her covered in injuries (pic related, domestic abuse or self-harm). It seems like this was done purposely to demonstrate that from the boy's point of view, up til then, the girl was basically the same as him. The illusion was only momentarily broken when he was shown something abrupt and unexpected, and even that was brief. The following pages switch back to the "childish" style for her.
From what I've looked through, she herself is not
portrayed as an abusive
child molester, but something of a victim
herself. When the sexual scene happens, it's on the same day where she's completely out of her mind, talking nonsense and covered in injuries (possible domestic abuse or self-harm).
The sex messes him up mentally, but he doesn't hold any hatred for her. He actually just wants her to stay with him, but she rejects and abandons him. That shatters him, and he ends up addicted to masturbation, doing it so often that he makes himself bleed, and finally, he gets nothing out of it anymore. No one can help him.
He ends up isolated and depressed as a result of these events, but then he's reunited with the girl, and she helps him heal. With her, he takes lots of photos of different things, which he later shows to his class (and he keeps one photo of them hugging).
There's definitely a lot of plot points and nuances I'm missing because of the language barrier, but this might be creepy in an entirely different way from what was first thought. Creepy or heartwarming. I don't really know what to make of this anymore. With all this in mind, I feel like it was slightly dishonest of Kikuo to pick those two screencaps to make his point, but I can't really say for sure until we have the full story.
Say what you will about Kikuo or his subject matter, but his use of psychology/perspective is spot on.
Though the fact the two reunite in the end is kinda sketchy. I don't know how the same person who raped a kid could end up helping that kid heal unless it was by staying as far away as possible.
You all seem quite defensive over animated child porn. Maybe you have something to hide.
Either way animated Cp falls in ''simulated cp''.
Why do you think so many pedos fap to loli porn? Because loli's are always shown as kindergarden/elementary/middle school children
and often the authors of that porn outright say that loli is 2-13 years old.
That's what I thought, too. The guy is definitely talented and intelligent, but the way he might've handled this particular issue is eyebrow-raising at best. Even the sex scene itself isn't really portrayed as forced in any way. The whole thing just carries a weird energy, and I wish we could have the full context to confirm/deny all speculation once and for all.
This definitely wasn't just a bit of perverted fantasy material he lazily left up on Pixiv thinking no one would care since it's 2D. There was a lot of thought put into this. He was trying to send a message, and I'm pretty sure it's a little more in-depth (and perhaps less socially acceptable) than a simple, out-and-out "Child molestation ruins lives". With the limited information given, I get the strong feeling that if someone were to personally ask Kikuo if he considers what happened between his two characters to be a case of rape, they wouldn't get the straightforward answer they'd normally expect.
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For y'all, I HATE cancelculture and when I saw what was happening to kikuo, I've send him a email regarding the fucking issue. The fact he replied and went on twitter to clear this IMMADIETLY up just shows how serious he is too.
I think I will personally talk about how bad cancel culture is, and why people, especially DEPRESSED CHILDREN SHOULD NEVER JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk hoes.
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i am very interested in the translation, the manga itself seems to be themed after the song useless child. i hope someone helps him do so before more conversy>>65009
OP locked their twitter after kikuo's response. lol
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There’s a fourth option, being it was possibly his edgy embarrassing phase. The translations seem less like jokes and more like ‘look at how edgy i am, please give me attention’.
And the fifth but least likely option of finding lolis hot
ironically i believe OP is older and was 19/20 but they blanked their account cuz now they are scared or smthin. the fact they really bailed when kikuo replied shows how immature clout chasers who cause drama and run are>>65057
so edgy jokes he made in 2009/2010 like well. the obvious.
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>Call out Kikuo on pedo bullshit
>but still support shit like Giga or DeadballP
do these babies have anything else do to instead of calling out japanese producers?
As much as the twitter woke crowd conveniently claims to be ~CSA survivors~ they rarely have ANY idea how people might cope with trauma in fucked up ways. Even the kids who were abused by Michael Jackson didn't realize until late adulthood that he took advantage of them, they just thought they were "in love". Seeing Kikuo's song lyrics I think it's pretty clear that he has some deep-rooted issues but it's not mine or anyone else's business to snoop around or demand justification. >>65072
So much this. Japanese artists often have a knee-jerk reaction too and delete themselves from the internet completely because they're not used to aggressive confrontation in their Japanese spaces, thus making the whole Japanese (and east asian in general) part of the internet despise puritan westerners even more because they keep driving people away.
Gigantic O.T.N. of course
14 y/o boy sings about penises and no one had a problem with that because it "sounds nice"
Someone should ask if there'll be an English translation of the manga in question.
I'd do it, but I lost my Twitter password.
>>65091>>65092https://mobile.twitter.com/kikuo_sound/status/778568099456962561>Due to fear of antis, I was thinking that it might be better to quit, and actually stopped for half a year, but the end result was that the number of events in my life dropped to zero. Nothing happened except the leisurely expenditure of money. Whenever you have a lot of people there will be some haters, but together it's still better than not having any.
(An anti is like a hater, except Japanese people are more sensitive and the haters are more insane.)
Apparently they hated Hanas voice in it compared to Miku and thought her vocals were drowning out his music or smth.
>>65012>I won’t support Kikuo until he’s disproved all the pedo claims
People like you are a fucking blight.
It's not Kikuo's job to "disprove" anything. Everyone knows pedophilia is bad. If you don't have actual proof (as in, him hurting ACTUAL CHILDREN), you assuming that he is one is your own fucking problem.
You don't have to support him, but automatically assuming he's guilty of one of the most heinous crimes known to man just because he likes exploring edgy topics is fucking retarded.
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…what's up with oktavia? She tweeted this
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Not terribly sure. Tried searching for any other info but everything related came from her account. Looking through her past tweets, it doesn’t look like she has any tea with any other producers/utaites and seems more like vents? Could be wrong, of course, we’ll have to see if anyone says anything abt it
Also, this is reminding me of something. What the hell happened to Kuraiinu and his serial unfollowing/blocking? He disabled comments too and said “it was for his mental health”. I think YoppyVU even asked what was with Kuraiinu then responded to his own tweet by saying “nvm I know why now”
I always thought Kuraiinu was annoyinng, but it’s kinda funny how he’s blocked everyone in the Unholy Quintet without even telling THEM why
I'm sad Gumi is dead, but the cryptons don't need vocaloid, so good for them
The vocaloid fandom has wanted vocaloid dead for so many years and now they got it
utau stans on my feed celebrating vocaloid is dead but no one is still going to use their singing oc anyway>>65141
floating rumours internet co is out of vocaloid but that's just probably from google translate crap being spread around. who cares anyway, people are still going to use their favourites
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I think the rumors originated from this tweet
to be fair, they said AT THIS TIME.
maybe they would rather wait until v6. they already have plenty of vocaloids. len and rin had no update for v3 yet got a v4x.
of maybe i'm being to optimistic…
that’s true, it did say at that time
he might be referring to Yamaha’s alledged silence towards third parties at the time, rather than company plans
implying that there will be a V6 after V5 sales flop and Yamaha fired nearly everyone working in the research division lol.
Vocaloid5 has been rolled out for a while now. So far, there's been two vocaloids released, both from AHS and the reception has been about as lukewarm as it gets and companies continue to opt out of the engine. This is the end of the road, whether you like it or not. Miku may survive, because Crypton forsaw the end, but the rest of the vocaloids will fade into oblivion with no way of updating and no innovation.
so we lose crypton, powerfx, akatsuki virtual artists (lumi's?), voctrolabs, quadimension (those people who are doing synth v as 3rd party now. someone showed an example up in the thread), 1st place, maybe internet co (for now). crypton definitely was a strong one keeping vocaloid as a software alive and if internet co goes (since gumi is a strong one too), there isn't much left. of 3rd parties, only ahs and gynoid got v5s after a whole year.
it's obvious v5 was a fucking flop. good job yamaha. you killed your own brand. whether or not people celebrates that is up to them.
I'm super fucking glad that the program that helped create so many classic vocaloid songs (World is mine, Meltdown, Daughter/Servant of Evil, Dancing Samurai, Romeo and Cinderella, Ievan Polkka Remake, etc.) is ending in a whimper with Yamaha's stupidity and "Miku said trans rights and created Minecraft" internet posts.
V2 was a glorious era, anon. I also miss Mothy series and fully animated PVs like popipo/ world is mine etc. Although not all of them were good songs, they were amazing and fun.
All the technically good producers got actual jobs working for idol music games, and the weebs moved on to other fandoms. Then Yamaha came and killed it even further.
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Does anyone else here kinda wish fanloids were a thing again? I know a lot of them sucked, but…I still liked them. Though a lot of edited voices for them weren't that great.
(But I'm pretty sure we'd get a bunch of fat tumbler-y ones if they were as relevant now as they were back in the day…)
I kinda wish fanloids were back because some of them got really cool designs like Hatsune Zumi or Hagane Miku, but also, considering the fact that there's a shit ton of awfully pitched earrapey videos on yt exist, I don't
Fanloids always had a bad reputation in fandom just cause of these videos and poorly done designs for them by elementary schoolers
Oh and fucking robotloids
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ah yes. more nostalgiafags screaming into the void about how vocaloid is totally dying while failing to comprehend that change doesn't automatically mean something is ruined, so instead of adapting to the change they hold onto their v2 era rose-colored glasses and shit themselves even harder. so business as usual.
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That's not even the worst part of it.
See: Remember Rinto and Lenka? genderbends of characters that are supposed to be genderbends of eachother
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My favorite fanloid was Calne Ca. As edgy as she was I love the idea of a skeleton who just wanted to be miku.
my internet connection was shit and kept giving me error messages even though the replies were getting through.>>65353>>65362
deino is a legend. i wish he did more collaborations with dj technorch because their combined works were fantastic.
That's actually why I fucking hate the most of fanloids because shit like Rinto and Lenka exists>>65353
Calne Ca still holds as one of the best fanloids in my list to be honest
Are genderbends in general really a bad thing? I actually kinda like Mikuo (mainly because of this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0qzhZEXgGA
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Hagane is still around, anon, and will be as long as Utsu-P keeps making music and hiring Hansi to do his albums.
Genderbends are fine (triggering
tumblrinas with "transphobic shit" lolol), but as >>>65348 said Rinto and Lenka makes no sense since Len and Rin are already genderbends of each other
Guess we're getting a bit out of topic here, anyone got some tea to spill?
there is a callout/warning post of a translator, who is shit at their job. https://twitter.com/Jellychozo/status/1167514885669949442
she was brought up in the thread before I think.
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How do you feel about the fact that the whole "miku is trans created mined crafts" is reaching the japanese side now? (a japanese artist drew trans miku fanart for the 12 birthday)
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>last scheduled performance of 2019
>in september, barely more than halfway through the year
WHERE IS THE $21K AKI
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also some older content but still interesting enough. what is any of this? does she just love listening to herself talk? it'd make a lot of sense since she uses her own fucking vocaloid for her music
it was put toward the shit albums and the god awful merch that features the garbage that she thinks is good art>>65549
listening to herself talk. has and uses her own fucking vocaloid. good points
it's nothing but her being a condescending "goddess" who can do no wrong in this fandom. "holier than thou" bullshit. clout chasing. nothing new from her. the "mama aki" act. disgusting.
now that i think about it, she really does get away with shit. not only for the moominloids, but i rarely ever see people call her out when she wrote creep-levels of tweets in regards to shota. or when she is seen liking adult (or implied adult) x minor ships. but people are more than happy to call out non-english speakers on it. double standard dumbfuckery in this fandom i swear
What ships is she liking> if it's standard normie stuff like kaitoxlen (or len with anyone for that matter) then i'm pretty sure not a lot of people care.
it'd be different if it was any ship involving say kaai yuki
Don't know any vocaloid ship she has but she's so into frisk x sans from undertale. I do remember some milk about her taking over that flowerfell AU with her UT fansong blowing up. I'm not autistic enough to know the details of UT stuff but iirc the AU maker pretty much disowned everything after getting harassed about it. They hated the fact other ppl made money off on their AU including Aki's song. I wish I can get old screencaps before the author's meltdown but I remember them vaguetweeing Aki used to shill her song in their art streams.>>65579>hardly a pioneer of engloid fandom
It all started when she got the gig to draw Avanna and that's pretty much her foot in the door. She even bragged she solicited to be a demo maker but zero-g hired her for art instead. Just look up her song track record on a vocaloid wiki, she's been trying to make it in the nico scene by weebing out with Japanese songs back then. It's just too suspect after the Avanna gig she's been putting out English songs and painting herself as the paragon of engloids so lol
Doesn't help that she went as far as recording her VOCALOID with "a neutral accent" so it could "sound good in both English and Japanese, but in the end it sounded like shit in both languages. She wants so much validation from the Japanese fandom it hurts to see.
Also, I've seen people on Discord groups who have been in direct contact with her (and some still are), who said part of the 21k$ went to the development of both Dex and Daina, but that's just a rumor, since I haven't seen any concrete proof yet. Even though I don't think it's too beyond her to do that.
I cannot fathom why Secret Garden got so much attention. I guess I'm glad she didn't use her own vocaloid at least. Cyber Diva as Frisk literally makes no sense though. Why not use an actual child voicebank (Like oliver)?
<warning: sperging up ahead>
it's also confusing that she clearly wrote frisk to be female in her little frans escapade, even though she's extremely fond of gay stuff. wouldn't it be more suiting to her having frisk be male?
Yeah, especially given her gross comments about shota/young boys.
Now, the Sans and Frisk thing is thin ice, cause if a character is aged up for futurefic, I don't see a problem with it personally. But I don't know if she aged up Frisk for the ship, in which case thats a little kid and a grown man…
if im being honest, whenever i see kaito x len (or any of other implied adult x minor), i usually assume it's some weeb or young fan because they don't know better. anyways, she's been seen liking a picture of kaito kissing rin and holding her waist, almost like pulling down her shorts in the process.
i'm sorry. we can have differing opinions on this, but i think it's weird and creepy given that aki is not a new fan nor a young one. she's in her 30s. a full grown adult who should know better.
Frisk is technically aged up in Flowerfell.
but he still looks like a little kid in the drawing, so what the hell's the point.
Its about as ridiculous as calling Kikuo a pedophile over an edgy manga, really.
She's creepy, yes, but I doubt she's actually attracted to children.