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Hazuki No Yume and TheBlackCero>vocaloid subbers, got into a fight with rachie, circus-p and some irrelevant utaites>basically they said the hazuki and cero were just reuploading videos, when, in fact, for the most part they were not>apparently rachie stole hazuki's translyrics, and cero is mad because "hazuki's japanese skills are superior">cero goes on large twitter rants and just can't fucking let it go>hazuki "retires", and ultimately just leaves and deletes all their accounts>cero is mad that people are reuploading hazuki's videos, because hazuki is the fuCKING bEST
GHOST>used garageband for a majority of their music>knows nothing about music theory>""""nonbinary"""">had a music series but discontinued it because "i am depressed">horrible tumblr art>"bendi and the ink machine ees good game>tRIGGER WARNINGS bECause i have mental illnesses and you do toohttps://www.youtube.com/c/GHOST_AND_PALShttps://ghostandpals.tumblr.com/https://ghost-and-pals.deviantart.com/
UmbraticForest>not very milky, just shitty voice, shitty art, and shitty translyricshttps://twitter.com/UmbraticForest?lang=enhttps://umbraticforest.deviantart.com/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrjEDps2C_OPSDOyfz_fpvQhttps://www.instagram.com/monstre__charmant/
Creep-P>terrible fucking music>keeps shilling his album>obsessive fanbase of edgy childrenhttps://www.youtube.com/user/TheCreepyPie/featured?disable_polymer=1http://music.itseyeris.com/https://twitter.com/TheCreepyPie
oh thank god a thread on ghost, I really can't stand her preteen fans and her sperg sessions when something doesn't go her way
Also Hazuki thought she was the best subber ever, she was disgustingly pretentious
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heres some e d g y shit from her da titled 'self-centered asshole'
u dont get sympathy points just bc you dont like urself sweetie :)
I'm a rando not really in the fandom but I've seen a few songs
I've noticed that some of the clunkiness the English vocaloid vocals could be fixed if the song writers/producers had a better grasp on singing technique and diction.
Yeah, it's get on my nerves too. The "P" is like an honorary title given by fans.
Coming with a "P" when you're a nobody is just as stupid as calling yourself "sama" or "senpai" (we all knows that weebs doing that too)
In France, the comm is still relatively small hence there's no drama.
"Big" producers/utaites are pretty chill and the audience too.
And as a teeny-tiny part of it, I'm greatly happy with that.
But I'd really like to know more about the anglophone part of it (since Voca is mostly a matter of community, it's interesting to compare its expression depending on the country in which it's located)
I hope that thread won't turn like the Ghost one (a massive shitshow with unfunny sperging apparently made by ghost herself)
saging for crappy english but hoping the thread keep going
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Some drama brewing on within the UTAU (freeware Vocaloid, for those unfamiliar) community.
User revolocities is taking old voicebanks, fixing them up and creating new art for them. Some people are getting pissy at him for doing this and getting offended on the behalf of users who've been inactive for over half a decade. I figured Vocaloid and UTAU are close enough in proximity to bring this up and bump up the thread.
GHOST is the most incoherent content creator ive ever seen.
does anybody remember the "you can be kin with all my character besides the pedo priest" deal? when literally their character at the time were:
- two deformed monsters
- a homicidal-suicidal mother
- a homicida-suicidal wife
- a suicidal husband
- a homicidal minor
yeah you cant be kin with a pedo, but you can be kin with all my homicidal OCS!!
plus all the inside jokes they puts on their channels (both the old and the new one)? youre a content creator keep these fucking inside jokes to yourself.
and the jeff the elf deal too. what were they expecting, with that kind of fanbase?
last but not least: "I DO NOT MAKE FANDOM RELATED SONGS!!!" theyre right. they dont make fandom related songs: they rip off the most popular character of a fandom at the current time, make it into a shitty oc, and make a song out of it.
not to mention they made a thread for themselves and repeatedly shat it up.
this person's bpd-induced god complex need to get a cure. go see a specialist, ghost.
The UTAU community needs stuff like what revolocities is doing. As long as he's giving credit, that is. Unfortunately that community (in the West at least) has been very nearly dead for a long time.
As for all these communities, I wish the content creators were more open to constructive criticism. There are some producers who are decent but not great, and I feel that useful criticism could help them figure out where their skills are lacking.
she deleted her ask blog a while ago so i don't have caps, but she used to adamantly refuse compliments and talk about how much communications (her abandoned project) was stressing her out :( but oh noo it wasn't her fans fault (even though she posted a lot about how people wouldn't stop asking for it to be finished)
someone leaked the old thread on her to her askblog (which she deleted shortly after the incident) and she posted it to twitter and got her fans to spam it with bullshit with her
she has no problem with talking shit about her parents on streams and on her blog (apparently they both abuse and hate her but she's broke buying too many vocaloids so she can't move out)
there's not too much on her other than that afaik it's mostly generic tumblr dramas and edgy music
on a side note, she's currently considering giving up music to set up an art shop. she posted about it a while ago on her Twitter, but has said nothing on any of her blogs about it. which, considering most if not all of her followers follow her for music, is kind of something they would need to know
I personally like Juby and she's really nice from what I can tell. There doesn't seem to be any milk on her? She even does collabs with others. She even met my friend at a meet up and even though he's a nobody she hung with him and invited him to a live stream. Her only crime is she's a weeb, which honestly a lot of us are.
But I won't bash your opinion, she does use autotune and edits her voice, but most artists do. She ain't no professional singer for sure. I'm sure if she just sang on stage with a mic it would sound awful.
I see what you mean. Yeah she doesn’t really have any milk.
I know that most artists use autotune, but not as much and obvious as hers at least. You can really hear the autotune without trying so hard to hear it. It just ends up sounding so robotic. And I also agree with >>12338
Her covers aren’t really something to be hyped about.
I vaguely remember this little drama on dA about MMD model parts theft. Parts theft is pretty common among MMD autists but there's this:http://archive.is/k5696
This is the same guy doing the mmd models for VOCAMERICA.
VOCAMERICA was funded by a kickstarter and a part of funds go toward mmd models.
You think he has wisen up to not do this anymore or?
Speaking of vocamerica, any opinions on it?
I know that there was some kind of problem during a vocamerica concert a couple months back. Wasn’t major or anything but the people who went didn’t enjoy it. And how Kenji and AkiGlancy handled the problem was pretty immature/unprofessional.
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Vocamerica and SRP has been low-key cows I've been following on and off for several years now. EmpathP and her/his/their friends at SRP have been having their go at making super mediocre events and begging for e-money. It's a really weird thing to watch from the sidelines.
Empath's original gang used to be at SRP https://www.facebook.com/SynthesizedRealityProductions/
but I guess she moved over to Vocamerica? One of the orignal crew members (Wolf) is still keeping it alive it seems like, I haven't really been following the dramu the past year..
I remember this modeler got caught red handed by another modeler for stealing a whole body base once:http://archive.is/rswCe
He claimed it wasn't the same model, but apparently he forgot to fix the one anatomical mistake the model had that gave him away to the original creator. There was another drama (also about him stealing assets) on Twitter, where REM (another MMD modeler) found out Yoi-Style was using one of his textures for one of his commissions: http://archive.is/dhKuY
So part stealing for his models isn't really an unusual thing when it comes to this guy. Which makes VOCAMERICA's 3D artist choice… Interesting to say the least.
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Somewhat unrelated (which is the reason for sage) but I wish there were more adults in this community. In my opinion that's part of the reason there's not much talent - people grow up and leave for better things. Most retired utaite (e.g. rockleetist, kran) probably realized there was no reason to keep growing their skills for an audience and peers that don't care about quality.
There are some who would claim they're done with Vocaloid but would come back to the scene just to make fun of or discourage people who are still into it.
After depending on the community to grow as a ""successful"" producer, they pull this shit. Heard one of them is promoting a new album lately so now they're back lul
Fans are mostly blind to the obvious gatekeeping they're doing so they take this as gospel truth
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people are actually defending this
it actually triggers
me that people still repeat this misconception in 2017, it's pretty much the fastest way to out yourself as an elitist weeb who doesn't actually have the first clue about the japanese community. P names are barely a thing anymore (hence a lot of popular producers moving away from them), but when they were, self-ascribed P names were in the minority but they weren't discounted as a valid option. i can't count how many rando japanese producers i've seen with them. the "like an honorific" thing was basically grammar usage notes (so people don't make weird stacks like lamazeP-sama) but somehow that got warped into a whole damn rite of passage. it's not a big deal tbh.
the japanese community has really turned into a flaming pile of edgekid bullshit in the past few years just like the western one, it's just rare for it to leak into the western community unless it's REALLY bad. like maretu cheating on his girlfriend for a minor, or rerulili being a narcissistic dick, or like two or three people plagiarising music, or even that one utaite who made fuckin TV news after he got arrested for sleeping with a 14 year old fan. this community is so full with insane trash people that most of the people with actual talent don't even bother anymore.
also holy shit do most of these kids who got inspired to write music through kagepro have no idea about music theory at all. it's not as viscerally disgusting for someone like me as GHOST or creep-p's stuff but i legit feel so bad for the people being overshadowed by this atonal tryhard garbage.
yea if i remember right her birth date was found on her blog. the age of consent in japan is actually 20 though so he was up to some illegal shit
i think too many people got caught up in the ethics of fucking 19 year olds when the real irony is in how he made nonstop songs about women being abused and then got accused of abuse
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to keep things on topic, this was absolutely the cultural nadir of the western vocaloid community
>teenage weeb crusher makes an edgy song about a "schizophrenic child"
>parents notice and decide to use it as an opportunity to shill for their charity
>crusher sells t-shirts for them, everyone pats themselves on the back for supporting a real cause
>a few years later
>parents are thoroughly outed as munchies
>complaining about doctors refusing to accept their children's self-dxed schizophrenia
>bragging about putting their children on ridiculous dosage levels of antipsychotics that are linked to brain damage in adults
>posting videos of their barely-conscious children drooling on themselves in their fly-infested hovel
>outright admitted to physical abuse in a biography and having a child sex abuse report against them
>no vocaloid fans ever bother to check this out, at most they just complain about vague "ableism"
>despite the community possibly being financially complicit in the abuse of a child
>crusher has a falling out with the family at some point after their divorce but barely acknowledges the drama, says the kids are fine
>goes ahead and releases an updated version on her first major album anyway
like i still can't bring myself to bring crusher for this completely because it started when she was a gullible kid
but jesus fuck, i'm still trying to wrap my head around how this happened and no one noticed
i actually found that thread because i was curious about the song, lol. in terms of schofield drama being connected to some random youtuber is pretty inconsequential so i doubt people would care much. but if it got out on the vocaloid side of things… man i don't even know what would happen.
i know this is petty but ffs, this is such a perfect example of what sheltered brats most "edgy" producers are. the contrast between this, a real life case of mental illness and abuse, and the "i'm so crazy and sad :((" bullshit they write about is so huge. i wish they'd grow up. or at least take care not to accidentally involve people with actual issues in their bs.
sage for rant
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This voicebank appears to be real. Sorry for the awful screengrab skills, but people in the vocaloidotaku thread contacted Anders (VocaTone founder, they apparently made Oliver and Yohioloid) and Yamaha. I think Yamaha is pretty out of touch with the Western side of things though.>>12368
I would like to know this as well. In this case someone from a Western Vocaloid company probably gave it to the Vivi developers.
By the way, "Ausgris" is the name of another Vocaloid whose production has seemingly halted.
>>12369>I think Yamaha is pretty out of touch with the Western side of things though.
Makes sense to me. I can recall similar dramas about people going full skeptic about upcoming western vocaloids because Yamaha couldn't bother themselves to give enough shits about them.
In part I get why people becomes so paranoid over every engloid anouncement that isn't backed up by some vocaloid company. What a shitshow, I dont get how comes a big firm such as Yamaha is lets this stuff happen everytime.
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Regardless VIVI was legit but just unlicensed (or not), she's been cancelled until further notice.
Now why would you anounce something you lack the license to release. This is not like making and posting your fucking UTAU online.
Creep's songs are tolerable when rearranged by someone else.
Shit, but the original uploads always sound like it was made by the academy of deaf-mutes and lyrics were a direct copy and paste from the tard version of creepypasta wiki.
Outside of the "music", actually he doesn't seem to bad though. He just got posted to an instagram account which made fun of his fashion sense but he seemed to take it pretty well. >>12371
Western fandom has basically been treated like utau the past couple of years. What is Vocamerica besides Aki's OC shit show?
This is a pretty fucking stupid drama to start in the first place.
Yes, revolocities is an attention whore, but no, using shitty utau banks and redesigning them =/= stealing them.
If you become good friends with AkiGlancy, you bet your singing OC can be in Vocamerica.
I heard that's how it goes.
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kind of old but creep's awful try-hard jfashion is eternally hilarious. i can't believe he went to jillian vessey's meetup
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>>12374>Outside of the "music", actually he doesn't seem to bad though.
you have to be joking… did you miss every new twitter thread he has to make about "wahhh, someone looked at me funny" every time he goes out in his awful decora
also spoiler because i gagged
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this is why ghost went on hiatus:
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that VOCAMERICA song contest sure brought in some salt
this guy thinks they're some hot shit with this noisehttps://soundcloud.com/oh-peach/high-functioning-depression-sequence
well that's just how it is with those one of OneThoughtRemain's groupie (those with edgy names) >>12383
to be fair vocamerica contest is almost a reality shitshow. the winner of the contest doesn't even know music theory and just use vi-IV-I-V progression for all his songs.
another thing i'd like to talk about is how Aki made the email, where she gave participation trophy to losers, public. so if the contestants replied directly, basically there goes your real name and address
Can someone fill me in on the whole subber drama thing over people "stealing" translations? I really don't get the idea of that being a thing. Like, yeah, they did the work (Excluding the "translators" who have very basic knowledge of Japanese if any at all, use shitty online translators as a crutch, and act like they're reliable sources), but they don't own the actual lyrics. Two people who know what they're doing are going to get the same or near the same translation, right? Even if you make a modified version to make it easier for people to sing in their native language, it's not your song, it's just a singable fan translation. Plus, if another subbing channel takes your translation and claims they did it by themself, isn't that technically pointless because then people will ask them to translate things they can't find and they'll be found out as a faker?
Writing is a skill and you are right that google-translate level translations are more or less the same. But translations written by knowledable people will use different words, sentence structures, level of abstractness etc
Just see the manga translate competitions that MAL hosts every year.
I liked his new Luka song, Dream. His songs and tuning are extremely hit or miss for me. Once in a while he makes something really nice, but usually his stuff is a little generic and grating. His tuning style bugs me, like he tries to emphasize consonants too much. I get that it's hard to make Engloids understandable, but I don't find his methods to work.
On another note, it's too bad the Unholy Quartet didn't do more actual covers together. They're all at least decent singers, and their vocals were pretty tight. I would've liked them to do a series of songs or something.
if this is about HnY from a few posts above, she's not exactly some rando with Google Translate-levels of Japanese proficiency.
I think one issue was youtaite fandubbers would stea-"borrow" her translations for english translyrics then indirectly profit from it via Patreon or other means.
Lol and if you are a fandubber with 0 level of Japanese, how the fuck are you supposed to adapt the lyrics of a song for an english fandub without referencing someone's else translation at all? I may be missing the point on something but the translation-stealig shit is the dumbest drama I heard in ages and I've been in this community for years. When you are the only one to provide a translation people are bond to use that translation one way or another. Getting offended over something like that is just being an over-sensitive snowflake.
Also if I'm not wrong HnY also got triggered
at people for putting her translations as lyrics on the original uploaded song videos on nico nico douga (giving her credits and everything), the ones from the song authors themselves. Fucking retard. I hope her channel wasn't monerized either huh.
Maybe they should choose an area they might have a talent/skill in?
I don't know if it's the problem here (and maybe my reading comprehension is shit and I apologize in advance if so) but crediting someone's work isn't that hard. And that should applies to everyone: artist, singer…blablabla
I'm making fr adaptations of Vocaloid songs myself, and I put a lot of time and heart into.
I can only speak for myself, but If someone would take my lyrics whitout crediting me, I would certainly not throw a snowflake tantrum but I'll be sad.
sage for blogging/shitty english
GHOST was an annoying person outside of vocaloid stuff, her fanbase was made up of the same sort of people as her. Remember when she was sending herself anons on tumblr about how she had a thread here?
And when her "fans" found out, "they" filled the thread with the same exact cat reaction photos that she herself used on multiple occasions on tumblr lmao…>makes thread about herself>sends herself asks on tumblr talking about thread>dumps entire cat image file onto thread and claims it's her ~fans~, even though only she had used that same style of humor before
She was a real pathetic person.
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I saw this too, and it really bothered me. Not just the tasteless subject matter, but the clumsiness of the song itself. Creep-P's music never has discernible chords to me.>>12410
It's good that she's back, but this doesn't make much impact on first listen. I love that everyone has been using Eleanor Forte, though, even if her design is kind of bad. (Something simpler would have been much better.)
eh, vocaloid is a really good tool for musicians who don't have access to singers. but that's literally it.
100% of the time i like versions with real singers, even if they vocode their voices, because most musicians don't tune vocaloid vocals well.
that said, it doesn't work that well in the western indie scene because there's no huge pool of singers wanting to work with anyone, nor is there a huge cover scene.
ghost's lyrics are stilted sometimes but jeez. this feels like listening to a word salad, save for a couple lines in the middle.
i do like the art for this a lot, though.
Not dating a 19 year old
BA dum ts
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This was posted on another server. I’m not in it so can’t see what people said about this in there.
obviously for clout
this is the same girl who was "done" with the fandom only to come back crawling to promote her first album
Why do producers do that anyway?
I wonder how many of them actually work full time. It doesn't make sense to shit on all your fans if they're paying your bills.
Being a Vocaloid producer definitely does not pay the bills, but she's clearly cashgrabbing regardless. I doubt it will affect much, honestly, her fanbase is full of dumb kids.>>12456
I speak Japanese but I only know about older stuff, I've been out of the loop.
okay, so GHOST tries to play off how "poor" and "abused" she is but look at how many vocaloids she owns (based off her past + present videos)
-gachapoid (she used him for that one 'meme' song)
-her most recent addition, LUMi
-cyber diva (?)
that's all of them, judging from what i can remember/reuploads/what's currently on her channel.
unfortunately i can't find the costs for a lot of these, so i only managed to get to a total of about 1014.78 USD (not factoring in any sales; this is including fukase, cyber diva, otomachi una, lumi, vflower, gumi, chika, gachapoid, maika, macne nana eng and gumi eng)
why should i care for>her
preffered pronouns if she blocks me for no reason? :)(don't use emojis)
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She even fucking said Micheal Myers. MICHEAL FUCKING MYERS, a serial killer, was hot. Disgusting.
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I'd be concerned about this (now deleted) tweet from them…
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Who to believe…
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This is disgusting…
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alas another one
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just to show how easy it is to fake some juicy content. if ya'll want me to believe any of that shit get some way back machine screenshots, otherwise, eat my ass(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
he's a guy?
i think his lyrics are fine. he's going places but man he does have to work on his mastering a lot. maybe also his tuning, sometimes i can't even understand the words lol
Nah I don't think it's Ghost trying to get back at people. Besides, Ghost has never had any drama with Nico. It's probably someone trying to create drama or some shit. Who ever you are anon, please get a fucking life instead of being pathetic by faking tweets just to start drama with people you don't like. Grow up. >>12498
Yeah I'm not buying these tweets unless it's archived. Nico doesn't even have a cat as far as I know.
anon, they act like professionals, and each time their work is critized, they end up being the crybabies, so what's your point. Creep-P is one of the oldest Ps in the community so they should know how to properly pay his artists.
I doubt he even pays the child who's tuning most of his songs, because they probably be like "it's just tuning"
I hope that's not the case, but if it is, well, won't deny that it's nothing new.
also damn, people who directly get in touch with those producers >>12510
consider that he'd be using your work not just for a PV though, if he owns the artwork he can use it as often as he wants and on whatever he wants like merch and etc, that's why I think people really underprice that what they're working for
"making music in their spare time" and "not being perfect" are not good excuses for scamming people, being emotionally manipulative, sexually harassing people, exploiting mental illness, etc etc etc
there are loooads of great independent content creators in the world who don't act like shitty brats but the general tone of the western vocaloid fandom is so bad that they're staying a million miles away
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He's actually an ok artist
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You left out the reference he used
It looks more than just "referenced" and straight up traced to me though in all honesty
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It doesn't line up at all.
tbf it's hard to tell when people trace, because people who are smart about it won't trace it perfectly, and usually do like in >>12521
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Ghost being salty about mild criticism vol 80
>>12525>I don't like the reverb on your cover. Can you please re-record it?
I have that kind of comments on my own YT sometimes and I guess it comes from very young viewers.
It can be sligthly annoying but come on, it is not worth throwing a twitter tantrum.
But this is Ghost, a girl stupid enough to create and shit up her own thread on here.
He's extremely boring nowadays. The lyrics and the music are just so fucking bland.
The only good song he's made recently was Hello Again, which incidentally sounds very similar to Wooden Toaster's Awoken
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Someone asked Zion a relatively okay question, and then he responded with this. pure immaturity.
Because a decade of consistent producing and social media presence will accumulate at least some semblance of a fanbase, no matter how much you suck at it.
Also because there's no Jin, Neru, supercell, or other big names that actually make good songs on the western side of the fandom. Western vocaloid fans are lazy fucks that mindlessly consume whatever the JP side makes. No one with any actual talent tries.
I posted that simple quiz in the comment because people are capable of making change and pushing forward. That dosen’t mean that they don’t become aware of their past mistakes, it just means that they are rebuilding, they are a work in progress.
And i know that the other producers may do things that i may not agree with, like underpaying collaborators, interacting with minors, or something of the sort. And if you’r aware of that, then maybe reporting them to the police or even the FBI would be a lot better than resorting to this comment section here. I know this is lolcow, and it has a purpose, but there are other options OUTSIDE of this website. Like, if you’r being abused, calling the police is the best suitable option.
And if you saw someone abusing them, getting the police involved or giving the person enough strength to get out is an option as well. So it’s not like calling the police, or going to the cops yourself isn’t an option anymore.
If anyone is aware of that person’s misdeeds but still enjoys what they do, whether it’s making videos, music, or comics, etc, then let them do so. Because we all have different thoughts and opinions on people we may not like.
Unless of course you decide to make some sort of meme or joke out of this, then go right ahead. I’m kind of expecting it.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
I wouldn't worry about that Zion kid. They're even more of a nobody than Ghost themselves.
They're just Ghost but more oobnoxious
The people you mentioned seem super edgy. That's nothing new at this point, obviously.
Some of it was decent but nothing made me go "wow! this is worthwhile!".
There's got to be one good eng prod. somewhere, Right? Cuz this isn't it.
I like Ferry's art sometimes but not his music.
ODDEEO's stuff is pretty good though, alas, the fandom doesn't like music that makes sense. (Not sure if they're new, but I never hear people talk about them.)
Kira's lyrics might be too "baddest bitch on the playground" but its listenable and I like it.
I also like the song Back to the Future Funk(it's an UTAU original).>>12550
Yeah, its better to stay safe. Ghost's worshippers will end you.
There's a few nuggets of decency, but no it's still pretty bad. Bad mixing, clunky lyrics, reeks of midi and sounds halfbaked overall.
Also maybe it's just me, but if I were going to make a song about how bad my parents are, I'd make sure my song is good-enough to convey that on its own instead of spelling it out in the description for pity points. If anyone really wanted to know if it was based on reality, they could ask me on twitter and I'd answer them there.
An example of this done well would be Kimi wa Dekinai Ko by Kikuo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00
). Was Kikuo's mom like this? Is Kikuo just being edgy? Who knows, but the song is creepy and sad and that's exactly what he's going for here.
What do you think of Beau Jordan?
I think his stuff is pretty nice.
Also for some reason I never hear people mention Cephied, though he has a bunch of songs with over 100k views. >>12558
Ferry is not as bad as some other western producers, but he really suffers from bad mastering. I think even his tuning would be fine if the vocaloid wasn't drowned out by the music half the time.
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Pumpkin Head was barely mentioned and immediately threw a shitfit
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What's the story behind this?
Circus and Crusher never dated, and I know that Creep never dated Circus, but this wasn’t about him since they had a falling out a while ago, farther then his tantrum.
I think it was about Rebornica/Mxbones.
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Jee, while I don't think they are wrong they say it in such a bad way
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they lost all creditability with shutting down critiques as well lol
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This is his apology to the people who were concerned about the subject matter of the song.
hey so susan schofield is currently trying to put her son on lethal
doses of antipsychotics and filming his withdrawals to prove he needs it and i keep thinking in the back of my head that crusher-p never apologized for raising money for these sick fucks and lies about how they're doing "better" when she should be denouncing them
She's now a vocaloid legend she can't risk to be in drama now
Which is bs cause she literally let a kid die and when the kid dies its crushers fault to not inform literally anyone of the abuse
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Some compilation videos of the Schofields abusing their kids have taken off on yt lately, and Crusher's response was to apologize for "ableism" again. Which is so vague that everyone is naturally assuming it's a nontroversy and defending her. She clearly has a guilty conscience and it's frustrating that she won't just admit to what she did
edgelord and maybe problematic
for some since he's a shadman fan
GHOST accused him for pedophilia. It's not true but its fans buy it anyway, and so does everyone in the community since it's filled by kids like ghost.
nowadays Steam just doesn't do much interaction with the community anymore.
Mother of god, thank heavens there is this kind of thread on the world wide internet.
For years and years I've been lurking quietly in the vocaloid/UTAU community although in the most recent ones I've basically been gone and boy, it is the most tacky catty middle school cesspool ever, it's unbelievable.
People only care about themselves and pretend to have friends (only to mooch off their art or other skills) only to backstab them, feel at the top of the throne when they interact/are praised by japanese fanbase, are extremely unwelcome to newcomers, only care about popularity and the cash, constantly involving politics and SJW fuckery, going on catty bitch fights…
I don't have any particular tea other than what's already known, just wanted to voice my contentment on there being a thread like this. Keep going.
That said, any tea on that girl who voiced Ruby/Makune Hachi? other than deleting their UTAU (who was better than her vocaloid imo) to make a vocaloid (for clout and money) and bitching because it wasn't "latina enough" or something?
There was some user called Scarfu as well I think they were involved but I might be wrong.
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Hey, uh…someone's been editing the UTAU wiki to show their dumb edits. only affecting most vipperloids.
>shitty new interface
>leaving out important information
Anon i hope u know bigender is literally herm but not offensive to sjw, cant blame bc the old wiki gets massively replaced by the new one, so i imagine they wanna either make it look more appealing or… Dunno.
History is still a work in progress, but ngl tetos page is fucked up. Her dvd rental skills come from a fanmade pv LOL
thank u anon, it bugs me how no one bats an eye on how this fandom treats japanese people as if they're a trophy or an accessory once they befriend one
pretty rampant in the UTAU fandom tbh
don't know much milk about ruby's voicer aside from being a racist sjw from what i've heard
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except whoever's been doing this is doing it to ALL the vipperloids
lmfao do you seriously have so much vocaloid fandom-induced brain rot that you think every talented musician in the world
lives in japan
it's ok you can say you're a weeaboo
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currently on a blocking spree because she can't handle criticism on her shit opinions
Aaalso, she's super into shotacon.
But yeah, she went on a freakout because people told her it's fucking weird to say that you need to be mentally ill to have good art/music, ESPECIALLY since she tweeted that because of Wowaka died.
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The whole Wowaka thing seems to have brought out the worst in people. I'm sick of seeing terrible Rolling Girl 'fanart' on my TL.
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oh my fucking god… the audacity this person had to make something like this…
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i guess that shouldn't be surprising considering how much she used oliver and len
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so how do you think the western vocaloid community will react to the new "canonically nonbinary" vocaloids?
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>>44063>>44080>Answering questions about Meika Hime & Mikoto on our TL:>2. What are their genders?>Officially they're not human, so… how does it work in the spirit world? The person in charge only knows that "having no determined gender is precious".
tbh the tumblrweebs already claimed flower, ritsu, and ruko as "trans/nonbinary representation", so this probably won't change a whole lot
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i mean you're not wrong (this is about vflower)
For all intents and purposes, they're girls. Gender-obsessed autists may flail merrily and call this a "win", but when literally everything else about the characters is obviously gendered, what's the point?
Voiced by a female, both wearing skirts, both clearly feminine. They're "non-binary" the same way all other Vocaloids are, there's nothing special about them.
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this is why the japanese hate us
The fandom at large doesn't
The people who do care seem to like them (mainly because "nonbinary uwu!!!" and literally nothing else)
I mean, it's not like there's anything actually
special about them
there's even covers from them as well after their release but as much as im hoping for their hype to continue people are gonna go back to the "original" vocaloid in my opinion…
but i really like their voices… almost close to humanlike.
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aren't these going to be sold during vocamerica as well
I'd like to know why Kasane Teto is always so mainstream. She's literally a joke utau.
Does this mean if I make a shitty april fools utau it could be mainstream?
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speaking of that, any beans/tea on Sam Blakeslee? He voiced Dex and beforehand his own utau, Kenji Baionoto (he started out as a weeb like misha).
but he's more lenient and still lets people download his utau.
no one knew any better back then
that was also an era of shitty vocaloid recolors>>44985
i find it a bit creepy he actively searches any mention of vocaloid dex/daina on twitter even claiming that's his job as a community manager (idk who even decided on that)
he also has a tendency to blog on twitter over any slight disagreement and pass it off as a psa (5 bucks he'll find this post and do a thread)
other than those he's okay
Don’t you guys remember when Dex and Daina came out and he called Daina normal skinned and Dex ethnic during the stream FOR Dex and Daina.
He also talked about fucking himself with a vegetable on Twitter, which was just weird and no-one wants that mental image.
It was the other way around.
And he also made himself more of mess especially that was after he outed himself as Dex.
iirc there was more than that, something about an ex of the illustrator trying to stir shit on the day of the livestream and it dragged Dex and Daina along
there was slapfighting everywhere it was a fucking mess
>>45077>>45078>unironically describing someone's skin tone/ethnicity as "normal skinned"
Why are they so cringy? I…
It's especially weird coming from someone who's literally albino (or albino-looking) >>44985
is there anything on kuraiinu? he seems like a cool dude for the most part, excluding his whole "uwu trans rights" woke twitter facade.https://www.youtube.com/user/ChishioYT/videos
just asking if anyone knows anything.
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the vocaloid community's new drama is getting to a rough start already.
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image from the tweet
hahahahaha no, crypton gave up enforcing that a longggg time ago and is fine with endorsing people like deadballP
what's next? vocaloidz bop??
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Never used this site before because HOO YIKES but like. I wanted to comment here and say I’m actually a fan of GHOST’s but you guys do have some valid criticisms here. I’m personally a fan of nonsense lyrics and shit because I’m able to relate to them more that way?? (Idk it’s how ive grown up feeling like… I don’t wanna get personal I’m not a fucking baby lmfao) but sometimes it’s kinda difficult to understand what GHOST is implying by the lyrics and I do think that perhaps changing things up a bit would be really helpful to them and their work. I really don’t like associating with their fan base because OH my god are they toxic and annoying as shit. They either whiteknight fucking EVERYTHING GHOST DOES or they go against what GHOST wants because they feel like they’re entitled to their old songs. Which I mean yeah it makes sense, but I feel like they could’ve been a little more respectful especially when GHOST started freaking out and went on that hiatus around this time last year I think?? Is when they came back?? I don’t fucken remember. But you think they’d be like “oh this person doesn’t want me to see something they’re ashamed of, okay” instead of posting that shit everywhere just so they can listen to it. Idk. Just seemed shitty imo. At least GHOST has a reupload channel now. (Although they keep changing the fucking name and it’s hard to find it because they change it all the goddamn time). Another thing I’d like to comment on is GHOST’s distorted style of music. One of their biggest inspirations is Lauren Bousefield, aka Nero’s Day at Disneyland and also BLACK DRESSES, who are both known for having veeeery distortion-y music. I personally like some of the songs by those guys but not all of it is my thing exactly especially since the noise can be soooo harsh sometimes.
Sorry this is a long ass fucking rant BIG YIKES
I’ve been a fan of GHOST since around the time they foraged started out as Ghostie-P, waaay back in like?? 2013 I think it was? Yeah. And yeah their music wasn’t great and when I go back and listen I’m like hoooo boy but I mean my music is pretty shit too, it’s not something I take super seriously especially since I also make music on fucken GarageBand lmfaooo. I don’t use Vocaloid because it’s not something I’m super serious about and I don’t have nearly as many resources as GHOST seemed to have even in their very early days. I’m gonna be real, I’m around the same age GHOST was when they started making music and I was like what, maybe 9 or so when I first found GHOST? So it’s safe to say their music grew on me and I stuck around. We’ve spoken a few times and they actually seem to be a pretty decent person.
However I do feel like the game isn’t particularly good for them. They talk a lot about how the fame is stressful for them and it’s easy to read sometimes and that’s a bit of an oh boy. They have (to my knowledge) professionally diagnosed BPD and there’s a lot of not so great things that come with that specific disorder and a stigma around it saying that people with that disorder are abusive or rude or whatever the fuck. But honestly a mental illness shouldn’t ever. Really be an excuse for your actions yknow?? Like there are still like yknow morals and knowing right from wrong so you can’t just use that as some sort of scapegoat per se. I feel like GHOST has been a little too public and personal regarding their status as a creator and would probably be better off if they stuck to how I notice like MASA does things. (I love MASA, he seems pretty chill). I’ve never really seen him having like as much info public as GHOST does and his fan base doesn’t seem to be nearly as toxic and made up of babies as GHOST’s is. Theirs is just annoying. I mean, look at the fucking Amino they have. That shit is fucking apeshit and those bastards archive every little fucking thing GHOST does and even has like almost every single piece of their art saved in a giant ass folder. One of the other GHOST amino things has an old picture of GHOST in it from 2016 too. Honest to god, Spider on the Wall makes more sense sometimes damn. I just really feel like slooowly but surely pulling out of the public scene would be better for them since fame has proven itself to be a struggle for them and as much as I know this site is for poking fun, it’s got some valid points made here. GHOST would be a lot more well received by sensible people if they chilled the fuck out and didn’t try and make so many memes out of their characters and make jokes and be like super public with fans. They don’t need to and it only causes them more stress so I don’t see why they’d do it?? And like I said my music is ABSOLUTE SHIT and I know it but like I’m not gonna run around and try and get all big like what GHOST has done or treat myself with more importance than what I actually have.
As for the criticism thing, GHOST has a bad habit of taking the critique way too personally. I mean I do it too outside of YouTube (since that’s not what I do for a living) but honestly. I’ve noticed it in the past turn into a “Well since you guys didn’t like it I’m gonna get pissed at you instead of thinking on how to improve and I’m also gonna read ALL of it and complain and say that I’ll just become some perfect being since that’s what you all expect haha” when no one expects that and nothing ever changes. And any fan who sees anyone say ANYTHING that isn’t kissing GHOST’s ass will whiteknight the shit out of it and pull the whole “can you do this? Then don’t criticize!” When that’s a bullshit argument in the first place and we all know it. If something doesn’t sound good, it doesn’t fucking sound good. I don’t need to be good at clicking and dragging voice clips around on a computer to say “Hey, I can’t understand what the lyrics say.” Like shut the fuck up if you think like that lmfao.
But honestly I’m glad I was able to say this here because god only knows if I said any of this ANYWHERE else, I’d get my head ripped off by a bunch of angry 12 year olds who want to kill their parents or some shit I don’t fucking know.
TL;DR GHOST needs to get out of the public eye for their own sake and also work more on some improvement.(autistic blogpost)
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welcome, learn to use this website and stop blogposting
wasn't she the one who started the whole "haha lol miku created minecraft and is god" joke on tumblr because notch is now "problematic
" all of a sudden?
also she calls people transphobes for disagreeing with the trans miku headcanon.
That’s the one.
They also referred to HRT pills as “cat girl pills.”
Ebooks could have a thread themselves.
that's what you get for trying to sound as white as possible. he's also a major weeb and makes it blantantly obvious.
i also hate how he advertises his own covers on spotify and other sites during the video. that's a new level of attention seeking
that goes for every single fandom anon
Come to think of it, I really miss old ask blogs in that matter.
yeah I find them annoying too. I'm pretty sure they like FNAF as well>they're a hoshikawafag too
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Creep-P is such a fucking loser lmao
because it's the popular thing right now. nowadays instead of being "dirty sinners" who ship len and kaito, everyone has a purity fetish because instead of wanting to be different or edgy, everyone wants to be the same, to spew the same bullshit.
what "rights" do grown men kinning anime girls not have anyway
There isn't an Engloid that's edgy, "kawaii", or "trans"" enough
(despite the fact her creators are hell bent on saying flower is a girl and not some genderfuck)
Western Flower fans are autistic as hell, lowkey worse than the "trans miku desu" fans
oliver has a "kawaii" design and voice though. hence why momocashew ships him with len (and hy a lot of people ship oliver w/ both len and rin)
aside from that oliver's the only good engloid imo
Well the fandom is full of weebs who hate any vocaloid who's not japanese anyway so
Plus most westernPs can't tune/mix for shit and always make him sound all muffled
oliver is meant to be a soft
vocal. momo made a song called loucetios and hr tuning of him is a shit
iirc it's mostly piko who gets this treatment
unless you mean those PVs of len depicted as a trap>>49203
weebs wouldnt touch an engloid unless it's gumi english
lol, you just reminded me of the japanese producer who did trans len songs years before it was trendyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ3kzZ36QWI>>49357
why are they like this
they probably only see Miku as trans because her color scheme is white, blue and pink. Fakebois latch onto any blue & pink character(they sperg if you say blue and pink pokemon arent trans) because they're retarded
og miku was green tho, which makes it even more dumb
it's sad that he suffers from both mtf and ftm headcanons desu.
i like 96neko even though she's obviously a len fangirl, but knows she's a girl who likes to wear masculine fashion. fakebois should be more like her.
on a more important note, how much does anyone think the japanese know about the retarded progressive drama in the western community? do they know about ghost?
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but of course no one cares because weebs are allergic to non-japanese vocaloids
and maybe in a good way for maika
THE OLD ONES
who are now mostly deleted and replaced with what you just posted, sadly
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imagine being the sperg to go "i should make her a fat black genderfuck"
wouldnt be suprised if that nb fukase blog also headcanoned oliver as some demihemisemisexual. the wannabe marxists on tumblr are at least 14>>49840
thank god i love her design
its weird how the sjws usually cling onto the popular vocaloids..they probably dont even like vocaloid past their shitty "progressive"" hcs and the trashy ass music by ghost and all her ripoffs
Even Meiko and Kaito go unused now
In V3 there were too many vocaloids and people stopped giving a fuck
It's probably just because people wouldn't care about songs sung by the others, and why make a song no one will care about
But most vocaloids are around the same quality, the other vocaloids arent like shitty CV UTAUs(cuz then yamaha would be basically robbing people)
Miku hate is annoying but the other loids arent horrible
because yamaha doesn't know what the hell they're doing
mikus update is gonna come eventually, but the new engine is all types of fucked rn no updates so far
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full list of all ghosts loids, she has way more than i thought(when did she get rion?)https://listography.com/ghostandpals
i remember someone telling me she had stardust though (and that she wanted to be a knife sharpener for a job, how edgy)
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she only got 57 followers on nico w each vid only having like 500 views
they dont give a fuck about her we good
if they know about the spergs theyve probably hated us for a while
ECHO is the only western original that japanese people care about, period. except circus monster which was briefly relevant 10 years ago
that said there are some jp ghost fans in the comments of her vids. the whole "superior nihonjin must hate us lmoa" idea really isn't accurate, they're just the same spergs in another country
it's because they overdo it.
"Call me obsequious, I guess I'm a bit dramatic
Sometimes my appetite is eerily erratic
irreconcilable perceptions appeal to my obsessions"
-her appetite of a people pleaser song
She believes bigboy words make her smart and sophisticated
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tumblr was a mistake
>>50020>the pubes>the armpit hair
this person is a huge sjw but they drew kaito and len fucking on their pixiv lol
ghost only has three vids on her nnd tho. and i didn't see any jp comments. only a few english ones.
why is she trying to get famous on nnd anyway? why does literally every autistic american vocafag try to use nnd?
japanese fandom validation + they're weeaboos
there's a reason why the likes of akiglancy used to fully weeb out on nnd before she got that engloid recording gig from zero-g. just look at her song releases prior to getting the job to draw avanna and voicing daina
now she projects herself as a patron saint of engloids with her glorified oc shitshow vocamerica>>50059
it's always the case for these sjws, they hate the male gaze or uglify the shit of out female characters but they'd be into shotacon or yaoi
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i do NOT want ghost to be the introduction to vocalopid for anyone.
everyone should get introduced to vocaloid via either world is mine or ievan polkka
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suprised that ebooks doesnt turn every vocaloid into a fat disabled queer brown person, but their art is still so shit
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>mikumikuebooks has a whole ass kofi for her cringy sjw tweets and shitty 2 sec drawings
>people probably throw money at her anyway
she has at least 20 kofis too. fucking hell
the official cfm eng account would ignored them and they'll never have the clout they're enjoying>>50562
they're also selling shitty keychains before iirc
I actually like KIRA's stuff, but it's kinda obvious he has a bit of an ego. On the high side.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z984m-ftGnE
Here is his cover of Rettou Jotto, a promotion for his two UTAUloids, and both are voiced by him.
The male sounds like any stereotypical western UTAU, whilst the female sounds like a chipmunk because he pitched up his own voice to sound like a girl.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6evzTaBGm4
Needs no explanation. Just look at the artwork.
desu i hate to admit it but i'm kinda jealous of him. he's only like 18 and already a successful music composer and has been one since the age of 18. samr with circus-p, who wrote circus monster at 14.
ghost and creep-p are at least easy to make fun of. kira and circus-p are legitimate talented people.
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saying the no-no word sh*ota is illegal but its totally okay to sexualize kawaii underage trans bois desu
iNSaNiTY, mErcy, circus monster and shatter were all good songs imo, i kinda wonder why he tried to change his style.
Fade (ft dex and daina) was alright, but not as good.
it's as if he's embarrassed about his old style despite his old songs being better.
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do you actually expect a 16 year old girl and a 14 year old girl to look like this? whoever made this is projecting their insecurities
Hunting for attention and saying week after week how worthless she is just to get some nice comments. I remember that like two yeas ago she used to do this few times a month andafter each breakdown she was deleting the tweets. Not to mention such things like those journals :https://www.deviantart.com/marvyanaka/journal/just-to-let-you-know-667138547https://www.deviantart.com/marvyanaka/journal/I-give-up-672401147
As a person who got near her for some time I could write even more. She is toxic
As for the songs… well you all judge yourselves
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you guys done sucking kira's dick?
something i REALLY hate about him is how he doesn't give a shit about any comments that actually say anything positive. only half-assed overused jokes from the same 5 people.
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i can't really get away from this garbage huh
this is an obvious fucking cashgrab. all the images are the same with the flag being the only difference.
>uwu don't give your money to corporations who don't care about queers give it to me while i sell you a half assed drawing
this actually pisses me off
b-but utaureizo! her covers are good (at least her newer ones) she made raine reizo and rena.
if you don't like her you have utakoloid. his only crime is being a furry but he makes good covers
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I like Kuraiinu's stuff. He's a nice guy, with interesting taste. He's VERY skilled in the music department, and his singing abilities surpass JubyPhonic's and Rachie's by a long shot.
The only thing I'm not a huge fan of is the fact that he feels the need to pander to EVERYONE with his whole 'uwu trans rights' thing on twitter.
Is every modern vocaloid music producer like this?
"haha you can make the anime girl say dick and pussy" was obviously the first reaction of a lot of people when vocaloid became a thing
i'm surprised anyone thinks that's still relevant
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some sleppu shit
(warning, sperging ahead)
how does len even look trans, according to them? he has the stature of a 14 year old, and he's supposed to be the exact opposite of rin in the gender department. so it would make sense for him to have a dick contrary to rin having a vag.
maybe i'm looking to far into it.
fujos love to dress up len back then (see imitation black..etc), it's likely they present him as trans now to make it more acceptable than calling him a trap
im guessing anon means uracata >>>/ot/352384
his archived apology: https://archive.li/tgq4E
theres actually lots of snowflake overlap in this thread, artist salt, weeb/omocat, and the old artist drama threads.
This song is the epitome of cringe.
Also, are there any English utaites that can actually, uh, sing?
I think it's supposed to be cringe, but idk.
what i meant was he sings better than juby and rachie. the autotune hoes.
unimportant, but why does he feel the need to say ~guys, gals and nonbinary pals~? isn't bara suppsed to be an exclusively gay guy thing? correct me if i'm wrong.
also, the term used for english singers like him is youtaite. since they dont use nnd and are american.
I mean… you’re right. He is better than Juby and Rachie.
I noticed that they all seem to have their videos monetized, is that legal?
not to sound like a redditor, but what exactly attracts sjws and tumblrinas to vocaloid and utau like flies to honey?
(utau as well, hence the creation of "nonbinary' utauloids like czloid that have obvious female vps)
like, how would vocaloid and utau be appealing to those types?
vocaloid characters in general do not have canon info unless explicitly stated like age, however, that doesn't stop people from interpreting them with their own headcanons
but some take it too far with their autism and we see shit like black, fat, trans, and muslim miku hatsune
as for utaus, they're essentially OCs where you have free reign on their appearance and canon but difference is they have a recorded voice bank for singing>>53654
muh fair use
1. Some producers don't go on YouTube (but it's becoming more and more popular). 2. The majority of producers is just like you & me they don't have legal power, the ones you can't mess with are those who are signed to record labels & even this doesn't mean anything.
They both are entitled idiots with huge egos who vocode like crazy tho and I hope it will catch them someday.
basically what >>53734
Vocaloid/UTAU is a lot of a heavy DIY project, most Vocaloids really only have a design and a few sparse bits of information, and when making a song or song series or whatever you can even change the few aspects that are there, and UTAU is just an OC you can make sing.
Many SJW/Tumblrfag types are also giant fucking weebs, so being able to make your black trans muslim OC sing to your favorite anime OP or Vocaloid song is a big draw.
Because it's women who think they're kawaii transbois just because they aren't like the other girls that are making them.
Meiko is just boobielicious so no one cares about her.
No one cares about Kaito either.
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shit like this depresses me
damn. i never knew how much of a bitch she was. when she and juby sang childish war her parts were WAY over autotuned and the lyrics were hard to make out.
i don't mind english covers, but don't. fucking. monetize. your. covers. and give some credit to the original producer! kuraiinu and juby at least can sing, and kura makes original stuff and adds spins to his covers.
I feel the opposite about Juby and Rachie, but their voices both sound put-on at times. It's interesting that you understand Juby better, I usually have to read her lyrics to hear half of them.
And about monetizing covers, I still can't believe that any utaite act like it's a real job, taking requests on patreon and such. Taking a hobby and turning it into a cynical cashgrab seems to be a special talent everyone in the Vocaloid scene possesses.
most youtaite have shitty eng lyrics too.
kuraiinu kept advertising shit via popups in his meltdown cover.
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so what's the deal with this?>>55507
same I'm tired
the mikubooks account was a fucking mistake, it's one of the things enabling this bullshit
What'd GHOST do to them, I wanna know
(Probably called them pedo or something retarded)
maybe if the comm sees ghost isnt an angel and "cancels" her some of the ripoffs and ppl who worship her will fuck off and at least itll be a little less edgy
but they see her as a god so i doubt it
Hey, Shius here. I'm gonna make this pretty short and clear.
Basically GHOST and I (along with Jim) were friends at one point, (really good friends at that) until I tried to kill myself due to severe depression and GHOST basically abandoned me. They worried about me in public (twitter and yet livestreams) but never once came to me in private. I had a 7 day window before I was gonna officially off myself. Shit happened, and I called it off. I was basically saved by steam and my dad. Of all the seven days, only steam had messaged me consistently.
When I cut ties with GHOST after, they basically used isolation tactics, calling me out as the one in the wrong. All my friends that were their friends ofc took GHOSTs side. Basically GHOST accused me of being "problematic
" cause I told her to "kill themself".
I never did. It's just that I remember this one time I said I would understand if they offed themselves (cause of their situations at home) but I would be sad to see them go.
What the genuine fuck.
I used to see Ghost as nothing more than some dumb fangirl, but holy shit. I hate her now.
Thank you for sharing what happened.
Thanks for sharing m8, I'm not familiar with your works but wow, fuck Ghost. I knew she was rude to fans and shit and all her songs were hit and miss with me, but fuck that fake concern shit from her.
Hope things get better for ya.
Ghost apologized. I'm past it and I'm not entirely comfortable with sharing caps of a time I was seriously going to kill myself. Sorry.
Everyone involved has kept to their word of being fair, and I'm not about to break that. If you want some dirt on GHOST, I'm not the one to go to.
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