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In this thread we will be able to talk about another Petubers flaws. We will started with the basic kit of narcissistic self involved characters such as:
- Mentioned now and again on the TND thread.
- Complains about lolcow and similar sites, describing them as little predators in wait for pet youtubers to slip up.
- Throws a lot of subtle shade at other pet youtubers despite pretending to be 'friends' with them all.
- Moved to America to live with hoarder BYB boyfriend Danny.
- Won't show habitats for most of her and Danny's animals, keeping the exact number of animals a secret. Some examples of enclosures not shown include; Snapping turtle, snakes, and (unseen) monitor lizards.
- Thought she could cycle a fish tank with old water, put two betta together to 'breed' despite clearly knowing nothing about breeding and conditioning the fish.
- Keeps her doves in the bare minimum of cages, also keeps them next to ferrets and has let them land on the ferret cage before.
- Was paid off to set up an awful Bearded dragon enclosure including substrate that can cause impaction.
- Says she isn't planning on getting more animals but has recently taken in a skunk, plans to get another hornbill, plans to get a dog, has got a nano reef tank and two more mystery pets since stating this.
- Support TND.
- Hoards animals like most pet youtubers and likes to buy the trending animal of the month.
- Had a betta fish in a fluvial tank but it 'disappeared'. Didn't care what had happened to it.
- Hoards, breed and sell a shit tons of reptiles.
- Keep them on little plastic containers, justifying it with saying 'they like it that way'.
- Inbreeds and shows little concern for genetics outside of producing colour morphs that will sell for $$$.
- Sells bad quality, sick and otherwise ill reptiles.
- Bullies costumers if they dare to call him out for the shitty conditions his animals have when they arrived.
- Both Tyler Rugge and Taylor Nicole Dean have made collabs with him.
- Hoards animals like most other youtubers, justifies it by saying all her animals are taken to a vet. Regularly has over 30+ animals, has had over 50+ in the past.
- BYB rats, claims she doesn't any more but still ended up with sick baby rats that had to be treated for URI's and also a rat born with one testicle. Doesn't seem to know much about rat genetics but claims to have worked with breeders.
- Recently got two doves; one got sick and died. She blamed the breeder and 'genetic' illness despite environmental being much more likely. Subsequently she got another bird from a 'better breeder' to replace it, didn't quarantine properly and that bird is now also very sick.
- Is a 'wildlife rehabber'; although is listed as 'social media adviser' on their poorly made site. Charity was also only registered in Ohio in September 2017.
Carolin von Petzholdt
- Keeps parrots. Has actively lost her parrot Hope numerous times on camera.
- Flies her Parrot Hope in public parks around dogs and as such has been chased by dogs and accosted by dog owners more than once.
- Doesn't train her parrot to fly back to her on a signal, merely screams randomly.
- Has had Hope both chase native birds and be chased by native birds during her free flying, resulting in Hope being lost at least twice from this.
- Has sexually molested her bird on camera; doesn't seem to understand that touching a birds vent is frustrating for the animal and essentially bestiality.
Taylor Nicole Dean thread: >>557047
- The worst hoarding pettuber with over 100 animals
- Keeps her animals in a small room with way under minimum enclosures
- Advises not to listen to veterinary advice, like not spaying and neutering rabbits
- Backyard breeds dogs, purposefully mixed two breeds together and justified it by saying they're designer and "these breeds are really in right now"
- Uses aerosol products and paints her nails in the same room as her birds
- Feeds her animals mostly fruits and vegetables without proper supplementation
- Her bird almost died due to poor diet (vet literally put it on seed because it was too thin from bad diet)
- Had her snake and bird out on her body during livestream
- Some of her cages have exposed wire and splotchy/peeling paint
- Extremely rude to supporters and shuts down every question that she can with a snarky remark
Just what I can think of right now, anyone else feel free to write a proper summary with whatever I'm missing (which I'm sure there's a lot)
kek if she brings the monitor lizard
I wouldn't put it past some of the other creators to bring some of their animals too though.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when all the 13 year olds are swarming Taylor though and the other creators are just standing on the sides looking lost
Under BYBing dogs;>breeds a potentially harmful gene (merle) into her dogs>there is no genetic way a purebred Pembroke Corgi can have merle in it's genes, at some point the dogs were mixed with something that had merle (It was big a decade ago to mix corgis with merle Aus Sheps to get merle corgis) so there's great evidence that she never got heritage on her dog's breeds (unless she had the other corgi? i think she had pem)
and also;>charges an OUTRAGEOUS amount for 'consultation' when she has 0 credentials, can't even say she does her own research for her own animals>BYB her goats, then the offspring of that bred as soon as physically possible due to negligence>can't afford to buy a sugarglider so she sets up a gofundme for it
That's all I got for right now. maybe have an updated animal counter for her now that she got some new snake or something. But tbh I think the list for HappyTails would be too long for an OP
I was just watching Happytails most recent video and she said that she 'works in a vet clinic and one of her jobs is to give advice to people after their animals get spayed'
This is my first time hearing this?
I have never heard her ever talk about a job before. I've also never seen her anywhere with any kind of advanced (college) schooling. So I imagine she is a receptionist at a vet clinic reading off the vet's instructions for owners. Trust me if she were anything more than a kennel bitch or receptionist she would tout it loud and proud, lord knows I do even though it's just a 2 year degree. I'm assuming she doesn't like to talk about it because 1) people will call her out on not being at least a vet tech assistant pretty quick or 2) this is a very recent job. I'm hoping it's recent because she doesn't live with her parents, just her husband who also works full time. So how the FUCK are they taking care of 100+ animals including like 20 barn animals daily? I would suggest they are millionaires that hire help but she had to start a donation page to buy a $300 sugar glider so I imagine that is out of the question.>>560905
I don't get why people are so god damn puppy crazy. I mean I guess it's nice that at least she's adopting, but there's a good chance that any rescue selling only puppies is doing some shady shit.>>560842
Skunks, while obv not popular pets, can be bought domesticated as pets. Had a neighbor with domesticated skunks, except that was before taking scent glands out was a thing. They are usually free roaming pets so I'm wondering how that will work with a potential puppy?
"I AM NOT A BAD PERSON" ~HappyTails
A wise man once said that people who have to tell you they aren't a bad person, are probably bad people.
HappyTails writes a blog about how breeding her dogs doesn't make her a backyard breeder, I'll try to summarize it;>'I just loved the breed!'>'Breeders are hard to find!'>'Breeders are expensive!'>'I have to travel to get to a breeder!'>All of her family wanted corgis so it's ok>virtue signaling about how she worked with rescues>health 'cleared' by vet>the miracle of birth bullshit>'I didn't breed mutts I bred designer dogs'>attempts to justify breeding mutts because 'all breeds began as mutts' bulshit>goes on to say that registered dogs aren't always purebred>talks about 'mutts being healthier' bs>In the end, justifies her decision because the 'dogs are so alike anyways' and because she likes the breed>cherry-picks the BYB claims; only addresses claims she can refute>ends it with how she didn't contribute to over-population because she gave the dogs away to people she's sure will fix them and wouldn't get a non-pedigree dog from anywhere else
I didn't straight quote anything, here's the blog if y'all wanna take a look. The amount of logical fallacies in it is enough to teach an English class with.http://www.mjhappytails.com/blog/i-bred-my-dogs-im-not-a-bad-person
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i know hes not got the best animal husbandry, but i really wish he was calling out emzotic w this lol
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- buys a hamster from a pet store instead of even trying to adopt
- Doesn't quarantine the hamster away from the rest of her small furries
Was it a chain pet store though?
A lot of smaller pet stores go through small breeders and not large mills like chain stores do.
Erin lives in a country where theres virtually no hamsters available for adoption because they're not a common pet.
Pickles however lives in the states, and adopts geckos etc from craigslist so i'm sure theres plenty of hamsters
It was a smaller pet store, however no decent breeder would supply their hamsters to a store, they'd rather home them out themselves. Small pet stores can be just as bad as chain pet stores sometimes. You'd be better off going to the adoption section of petsmart
In the video you can see theres a lot of hamsters, and they come in a lot of different varieties, usually a good breeder would be focusing on breeding for health / temperament along with only a few varieties so I doubt they'd be able to supply that many is lots of different colours
And the excuse for not quarantining?
I am not defending anyone but I think if you’re going to suggest one person over the other, they shouldn’t be doing the exact same thing.
Exactly, there is a thriving ethical breeding practice in the USA. As someone in the hamster fancy, no good breeder is going to sell through a shop. Like any animal there is a interview process, they need pictures of your enclosures, a list of pets you have.
Does Erin not quarantine? If she doesn't shame on her. I mainly like Erin because she's the antithesis of impulsive.
No, she doesn’t unfortunately. Never has as far as I’ve seen.
I don’t know many pet channels that do practice quarantining though.
Yes, mainly for preventing disease (illness / parasites etc) spreading to your existing animals. But also to ensure the new pet is otherwise healthy and adjusting.
Quarantine method varies depending on the species of animal.
For example fish, 4 weeks in a separate tank, with separate filtration and equipment, in a space where water droplette (through the air) contamination isn't possible. Is ideal. Fish are usually treated for parasitic illnesses too during this time.
For small mammals (eg rats) two weeks quarantine is usually standard (although good practice might have some folks quarantining longer). They should be kept in a separate cage in ideally a different location (two buildings), or at the same location with different airflows (ie. a completely different area within a single building). They should not share any 'common' areas with existing animals and should not come into contact with toys / equipment or even clothes that existing animals have been on. Hands /arms should be washed thoroughly from going from one area to another.
Both the above are 'ideal' quarantines although I'm probably forgetting to add something. Many people think they can get away with less or just keeping animals away from each other, but still getting them out in common areas. Sadly that means that the quarantine only works for illnesses that require direct contact and not airborne infections or even things that can pass through clothing lice etc.
Herpfag here, I'm really surprised by the lack of BHB content in these threads (read the last one, wasn't sure if there were more). He's got a spicy anti group on Facebook with a lot of milk.
One of my favorites is a very interesting interaction between he and Lori when he brought home the """"first""" leopard geckos for his program. She flips out and makes a scene, it's heavily implied that the last time he did this, he did no research on the animals and they all died (most likely slow, horrible deaths due to poor husbandry).
I'll see if I can find that video. There's so much milk, is everyone just taking it as common knowledge? I'm surprised to not see it here.
Finally someone mentions the trash that is BHB. Emzotic has Milk about BHB from her livestreams, but hasn’t said exactly what. She said in multiple livestreams that she refuses to collab or associate with him or Prehistoric Pets that she used 2 be friends with Barfczyk for years and that he visited her in England and she showed him some animals? . Then she said she was disappointed when he changed. I think it was when he had the controversy of sending dickpics to his young fans? Maybe he did the same with Em because she used to be in the same circle with the old school reptile ppl? She said Brian wanted her to produce a show for his channel when she was a zookeeper but she refused. I hope she talks about it one day. He’s the epitome of garbage but people don’t seem 2 call out the Male pettubers as much as the girl PetTubers.
Sage for speculation.
Her boyfriend is buddy-buddy with Brian tho. There was a picture of them armwrestling going around.
So much wrong with BHB. Starting with keeping an alligator in a kiddy pool. Then just good ol' animal abuse/neglect.
And he is just so darn oblivious to all of it.
2:16!?!?! What the hell?
If his own wife thinks that he would leave them in the box.. ?
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Can confirm, Danny spills all kinds of tea on Brian, including one of many incidents where named animals die and are immediately replaced by another with the same name. Happened with Sunshine and Satan, too. THE SHOW MUST GO ON, AFTER ALL.
I’m not surprised Em won’t touch Bryan or Jay with a barge pole. A collab with either of them could help her channel grow, but it would be bad for her image in the long game. At least she has sense enough to stay away from the mass hoarders.
Brian is just creepy AF. I swear he’s on drugs on his videos but at conventions he’s boring and isn’t like how he is on camera. His wife Lory just impulse bought a Great Dane puppy and didn’t introduce the new puppy to their older dog properly and there was a fight because of this.
That puppy could hav been seriously hurt.
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It's funny, I think in a recent vid of his he VERY EXPLICITLY takes a moment and says he doesn't partake in drugs or alcohol of any kind, he literally says he's responding to people who wonder 'what he's on.'
I've seen pretty of coked up white business dudes so I can't say I agree, I think he is fueled by ego alone.
HOWEVER with regard to the creep allegations, his iCloud account was apparently 'hacked' at one point and SURPRISE he has nudes of his own employees in there. I wonder how many of those cute female youtubers he collabbed with had to tolerate him breathing down their neck the entire time.
I swear to god, Lori is biding her time till he really fucks up so she can hit the road and cash in on those sweet, sweet BrianBux. They started the business together, after all.
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That's the picture I was talking about. Doesn't seem to be taken that long ago … Good to know he changed his mind tho.
Not saying he's WORSE than Brian, but he is definitely not better than him. I think the fact that Danny and Emzotic refuse to show all their animals and enclosures says a lot about the care and condition they are kept in. Danny backyard breeds snakes just to trade, so he obviously has a pretty sizable collection. Maybe his breeding set up is passable, but thats only a fraction of his collection. We've already seen peaks of his wall-to-wall rack system during Emz livestreams, but you're right, we don't know what is exactly in those racks. Honestly, I almost don't want to know what he's stuffing in those racks, or what other animals he has down in his basement.
Does he really keep his hermit crabs on calcium sand?? FFS, If he's struggling with the care of simple "starter" pets, I can't imagine his care for his other pets. How hard is it to read a care sheet or two?? Even Petco doesn't keep their hermit crabs on calcium sand
This lady is crazy.
At least it seems like one of her birds isn't putting up with her shit. Angel's bitten her several times now. inc in her last video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLYtcV4Y_zM
The comments for this video are great, most people seem to realize that she was also in the wrong.
"He might be breaking the rules but he at least has control over his unleashed animal. You can't say the same considering your parrot just does whatever it wants, evident by the way it took off and refused to listen to your calls. He might have been rude, but you are being ridiculously irresponsible. Let's just call it like it is, you were both in the wrong and behaved like fools."
Those peaks are the invertebrate racks which she shows in her livestreams. I don’t have an issue with invertebrates in racks. The spider cages look like the expensive acrylic ones from the vendors at Whiteplains - I have the same and they’re good. The continuous speculation is unreliable so I wait for facts. I can’t speak about the hermit crab. I haven’t seen that setup. I’ve only seen the hermit setup with the deep cocofibre/sand mix which used to be where Bad Ideas enclosure is. It had hammocks and drift wood and didn’t look bad to me?
Brian is in idiot and needs to be taken off of YouTube. I don’t care what people do off camera, but portraying and glorifying mass snake production is more worrisome than what ‘might’ be happening in Danny or Ems collection.
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You're right, it's speculation till we see 'em. I don't have access to the pics and haven't cared enough to try. Plus I'm a nobody in the circlejerk so doubt they'd share with me. There's plenty of talk about it tho. Here are some replies on a post by someone who used to be a 'close friend.'
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To be fair though, there are WAY, WAAAY more folks than just Danny piling on. His contributions to the milkshake are minimal, at best. Danny provided some milk about the death of multiple 'Bubba' gators, other folks have documented the incident where he was keeping 3-4 young alligators in a kiddy pool in the middle of the shop floor. He would feed them all at the same time, one got it's leg ripped off in the frenzy. Mysteriously all the gators except the injured one vanished, probably because it took a horrendous injury for him to realize it was a fucking bad idea.
All of this commentary is a combination of people who knew the guy and watched all his videos.
Thankfully I think he has a lot of inverts, so I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that that's what's in the background of the livestreams… hopefully anyway>>563612
I mentioned this before but I'm so happy she made it on here. She thinks she's entitled to fly her bird at the park in front of dogs bc there's no "keep birds leashed" sign.. Are they just going to put up a sign for every animal that could potentially go to that park and be let off of a leash? No. Of course not.
I've been watching her many videos of her losing her birds in free flight or sending her macaw out to fly around dangerous situations and then blaming dogs for having the instinct to chase the bird. Is it really THAT hard to go to a place that doesn't have dogs or people around? Ffs, find a field or some shit. She even sent her bird out to fly while there was a fucking baseball game going on… She's going to get her beautiful young macaw killed, and it'll be no one's fault but her own. She's negligent af.
He’s a poor influence but he positions himself with younger Youtubers to validate himself. He’s washed up. His views are awful for someone with 1M subs, and he always does clickbaity titles. He also parades baby bears in his videos and whores out animals for video stunts.
Speaking of stupid stunts, Coyote Peterson is an idiot who makes money through provoking animals to display fearful or aggressive behavior. Somehow he gets away with it like he’s some sort of ‘expert’. He’s a fame seeking idiot in a safari hat.
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He openly admitted that the only was he was able 2 get famous was because he gets bitten.
Nobody knew who he was before that.
Over 10M people subscribe to his channel to watch him disturb wild animals and scare them enough to get bitten or stung.
Let’s her duck eat plastic. -_-‘
That’s a lot of turtles. What’s the bet that she doesn’t keep even half of them for their whole lives.
When she gets bored of them she’ll just have another disaster like when she killed all her fish.
She also seems to have bred two species of turtle to create hybrid babies.
Most of her turtles are also super aggressive towards her, which makes me think they're probably wild caught
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So Emzotic is still buddy buddies with TND.
Also sharing that story online with accompanying pics is a lot.
Yeah… I commend her for talking so openly about her miscarriage… but that story with the accompanying images is a bit disturbing. Especially knowing her following is likely quite young from how she targets her videos.
Despite the 'draw my life' thing being quite dumbed down for younger audiences; I think she did it quite well there. It wasn't graphic and it explained the situation well.
This though is a bit… eh…
Just saying Trigger Alerts
at the top of a post doesn't quite cover it if you're going to show paramedics cleaning up a miscarriage and blood on your ferret from it.
Agreed… the blood on the ferrets nose is fresh so it's not like she took it after she got back from the hospital.
The fact that she took a photo of the paramedics cleaning up the blood and tissue is just kind of… I don't know.
I'm not trying to be insensitive but it's weird for sure.
This was before Danny, in 2016. Also a miscarriage is vastly different to a gory finger injury.>>564740
Yeah, I guess? But that doesn't add up with her passing out / not being aware enough to know they were taking her to an ambulance etc. I suppose people do weird things in those situations and I don't want to question it too much… but it is 100% weird to then upload those photos.
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Here you go, this was ~10 years ago. Turns my fucking stomach. After catching flak it looks like he moved it to a birdcage next.
Re: dragging animals around, rumor has it that was a factor in why Sunshine #1 passed, he was constantly shipping it around to events.
Thank you, Anon.
I cant see how and why he still has so many followers after see that. >>563793
I have read so many times people complain about the animal they receveid but since it came in such bad shape people keep it because they think the animal wont be able to go through the travel again.
It is really sad >>564868
I havent see TND throw shade to Emzotic,but she is constatly low key doing it or even making fun of her. At least for me is really hiprocrite from her and specially inmature for someone of her age.
Sorry for bad english btw
Basically to emulate a healthy environment for it, it would be a million times easier to just let them have access to the outdoors. Ducks are very social, a minimum of 2 but ideally at least 3-4. Ducks should preferably have some form of water to bath in but contrary to popular belief don't need it 24/7. After constant walking on hard surfaces their feet may get abrasions and contract bumble foot. Flip side, their claws easily get snagged in carpets and cause injury. Ducks CAN NOT wear diapers due to infection, and they should NEVER have to sit and/or lay in their shit. They are very prone to infections and breathing issues. So the duck would need a very large and well-ventilated area if not the whole house. To be inside for a bit is fine, but living indoors full time I imagine would be very difficult to accomplish>>564740
As someone who has been in shock and then the following depression, it makes you do some absolutely retarded and heartless shit. I can honestly understand someone doing dumb shit like this and posting about it even months after it happened in the wonderful bouts of depression and not giving a shit.>>563784
The thing about having a free-roaming animal like a flying bird off your property is that her and the free-roaming animal don't have more privileges than others and their contained animals. And that's just the law (at least in the US). If, for example, her bird was flying around in public and flew into or close enough to a leashed dog that it was eaten, the dog owners could sue her for having to pump their dog's stomach out. She probably isn't required to leash her bird in areas where dogs must be, but she will also get no love from the courts if something were to happen to her free range bird in public.
Again this doesnt hit me as an issue. Maybe we are just different ages (24) but I don’t see PetTube as a place to have to call people out. There would be no videos of any real interest to me if it was just like a high school of bitchy videos and gossip/drama channels. I don’t agree with any PetTubers 100% of the time, but I would lose interest once an for all if it was all just clickbait and calling out.
They all need to improve but I don’t/won’t judge them on who they talk to if it’s genuine.
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I wonder which company is sponsoring them to push their crappy products or services.
I'd honestly never heard of parvo before but from what I've read from Google so far, puppies younger than hers should be vaccinated to prevent it. So I assume her puppies did not get this shot (or possibly any others)? If that is the case then that seems irresponsible, but I don't watch her videos much though so I don't know if she's claimed otherwise.
She says the puppies getting parvo isn't related to the other puppy's death and I don't know enough about it to disagree. From the symptoms she described poisoning sounds plausible, I hope she's able to find whatever that puppy got into before her other animals do.
Depends to be honest. You can vaccinate your dog to prevent it but he can still get parvo
Parvo is not always deadly if you take extensive care of your dog however most of the dogs who catch parvo die
Actually that isn’t true. Working in an animal clinic for 4 years and seeing 30+ cases of parvo every year, we only had a small handful of deaths. It depends on how fast the owner reacts. If it goes without vet care or goes too long without vet care, yes, it’ll kill them. It has to run its course and while it does so the dog has to stay on fluids and meds to control vomiting. Vaccinating the dog as a puppy is extremely important but it’s only like a flu vaccine. It will build immunity but not prevent the virus. Plus just like with flu vaccines they generally only prevent against certain strains, your dog can get different strains of parvo. Plus, dogs of all ages can get parvo. They build immunity to it with age generally but it doesn’t make it impossible. I think it’s horrible her dog died. I feel the pain for her even though I do not like her personally, I don’t wish that pain on my worst enemy and I hope while she is grieving someone is able to help her with her pets.
Sorry for the book but I thought it may help.
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Emzotic via Twitter @ a fan who was upset by the DM.
She makes acceptable points and she’s not rrly gloating about TNDs chat name change, but I wonder why TND even shared that DM. Maybe she tried to throw Em into bad light? ‘Can’t fix my rep so I’m going to damage yours’.
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Poor Em, getting called out for being a brat. But of course, people send her death threats, so her care of animals doesn't matter. She's associating with someone who kills her animals constantly and lets her rapist druggie bf smoke around them, but you guuuuys people are mean to her in comments!
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I wonder where they keep the alligator.
There are a few photos of it on their animal education buisness page http://www.zoojerseyanimals.com/home.html
Could be in the basement with the snapping turtle.
Interesting on that site they have some chinchillas that we haven't seen too. The spiders / scorpion aside.
Thanks for the info.
Do you know how many animals they do have? Or why they're so secretive about the number?
They’re all (ed program people) secretive. Rizzo, lizard guys, etc. Nobody shares the full list of animals because then your competitors know your set and can copy. Same I guess like magick shows and magicians and tricks.
Srsly though, I think maybe that’s just how they are rather than having anything to hide. The only other thing I can think of is that Dan got in trouble in Texas when he was arrested for exposing the cruelty at that Rattlesnake thing where they kill rattlers in a pit. It was (I think but not totally sure) because the roundup claimed to have only one type of permitted species but they actually poached protected rattlesnakes I think he has the footage on his old channel? Anyway he was arrested and the group who run the event it sent death threats to his house and made threats against his family. I think that’s why they moved because it was real bad trouble. He went back to Texas with an event to promote education and not killing the snakes and and the organisers of roundup came and threatened him and Em. I’m from Texas originally and down there people are crazy about killing snakes and they’re dangerous. Real redneck types. It’s so sad
This is great of you to say.
I never thought Em was a bad person but I was always curious about the intense secrecy of their animals.
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Next thread Happy Tails should have a shout out in the OP;
-has well over 100 animals and a job
-BYB merle corgis so she could have a few
-BYB goats on accident then BYB the babies on accident too
-has 0 qualifications but offers animal advice for $1 a minute
-needs donations just to take care of her own animals yet continues to get more
-keeps some animals in incredibly tiny and dirty cages
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Not sure if this is exactly relevant but I have noticed lately a lot of TND/Happy Tails/Tyler inspired hoarders on instagram. One has a tumblr thread advising people not to home animals to her, her Instagram is demis_zoo she’s terrible. This is her craigslist ad trying to get people to give her exotics.
I think it’s kind of relevant to this thread because sometimes pettubers come here and insist there’s nothing harmful in what they do, but this is what you’re glorifying and inspiring people to do…
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She deleted this post but an example of how she’s keeping all these animals. She also has her rabbits in tiny cages too.
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Holy shit I just looked at her Instagram and she actually just recycles animals continuously and is low-key a hoarder. This is one of her bunny enclosures
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And here she is "hoping" that Petco has some abandoned animals for her to adopt. Who hopes that???? She also has a cat who has had multiple litters. Why hasn't she spayed it yet? She's finally considering spaying her after the litter she had not too long ago because she doesn't want to put here through another litter. Why didn't she do that after (or before) the first? I believe she currently has two unspayed cats :/
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arent these wheels dangerous because animals can get their toes/nails caught in them? her care is awful does anyone know if many animals have passed away in her care? i really hope not but i wouldnt be surprised if they had
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4 sugar gliders should have teice the amount of space, a sleepig pouch each, and way more toys this is so sad. idk much about chinchilla care so i cant comment on anything but the wite wheel beig dangerous
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she let her bird fly into a pirhana tank. thats not "whoops accidents happen". this girl could have a whole thread to herself her poor animals are so neglected
I’ve personally never defended Emma because I don’t know shit about rabbits, but afaik Emma’s rabbits need to be bonded before they can all be transferred to a bigger setup, so one of hers is in a smaller temporary enclosure till then. To reiterate, I don’t know about bunnies, but that sounds about like quarantining fish/reptiles, sometimes putting them in more sparse setups until it’s safe to move forward.
This chick meanwhile thinks these setups are good, and is actively advertising to take in even more high maintenance animals too, like macaws and other parrots, large lizard species, etc. It’s clearly a bad mindset to have and will not benefit those animals already in her care.
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Heres a photo for comparrison, agreed Emmas rabbits have more to do but at the end of the day they'll still get frustrated if they're in a small cage (which is evident in some of her videos from her rabbit bar chewing) and the cages do seem the same size
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Are u hecking kidding????
i don't think 4x4 is enough space for two buns. maybe one, but that seems really small for two.
i have two bunnies who aren't bonded yet and they both have quite a bit of room. i fit an ikea bed, a soft cat bed, and a cat scratcher shaped like a couch in just one and there's still about twice as much room on the floor as there is taken up by all that plus the litter box and water bowl.
my only real issue with demi's set up is how fucking plain it is. my buns get bored even with the abundance of toys i buy them and she has literally nothing there. i'm assuming she hadn't added anything in there because she just rearranged, but the bunny cage looks like the least of our worries with this POS!
emma's cages on the other hand do seem a little on the small side, at least for the one bun. i understand that she's waiting until she can bond them all but i'm pretty sure expanding that xpen just a little bit wouldn't kill anybody(blogposting)
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Her name is Demi but she signs her art work as hailie? Or does that say something else? Also she has a lot of editing pictures quoted with captions as if she has a YouTube channel.
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Lol so this is her patreon and apparently when she gets 15 patrons she’s gonna start making ‘animal education’ videos again
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This picture was posted a week before the cage pic, so either two died in a week (wouldn’t surprise me with her care levels), or the other two are housed separated and only eat together (which doesn’t really make sense coz when food is around is usually when bunnies are the most territorial)
Uhhh did you even read my comment?
“Her bunnies also have hay whereas Demi’s don’t seem to which is SO bad.”
Literally what I said.
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Ugh I need to get off her page it’s just making me angry. Here she’s feeding way too many pellets; not enough fresh greens (should have half cup per rabbit), O’s which are so bad for bunnies and are basically the equivalent of feeding kids just lollies, and yoghurt drops even though bunnies are LACTOSE INTOLERANT. This woman is dangerous, I’m praying she has no following whatsoever.
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I thought I'd demonstrate the issue I have by using screenshots. On the left is back in February.
The top photo is her hamsters, housed in two detolfs. Hamsters got downgraded to the bin cages on the left image because she wanted the space for a reef tank.
The bottom two images is her hedgehog enclosure back in february on the left, and on the right is her hedgehog enclosure now (which is the storage rack that her hamsters and mice are in so the hedgehog has the same sized enclosure as those), which she downsized so that she could put one of her hamsters back into a tank in the space that the hedgehog was previously in, because she recently got mice which needed to go into the place of her hamsters bin cage.
and now by the looks of her twitter shes just got a dwarf hamster, so who knows whos going to have to be downgraded to find a place for that.
My argument is, whether they're still reaching the minimum requirements or not (and by the looks of it just about) why should you only provide the minimum? why should you downgrade an animals enclosure in favor of making space for a new animal? how is that fair?
Come at me with that "Hi, its Emma" bs, I'll wait.
Yeah, this is my problem with pettubers in general.
If you're going to put yourself out there as a source of entertainment / knowledge about animals because you're an enthusiast. If you're going to get a shit tonne of animals. Why keep them in the bare minimum? Why promote the bare minimum? Why stretch yourself so thin that most of you animals probably don't get enough interaction from you?
The whole premise of getting animals for youtube is dumb af and should be stopped. No pettuber is 'good' or even 'acceptable'. Because they all promote this shit.
Work at a zoo/vets/groomers etc. and want to promote animal education, sure! Just don't hoard animals at home.
I don't agree that all pettubers are shit, there are some that can control themselves and keep a select few animals that they go above and beyond for.
But it does seem to be a trend for the majority of them. They can claim they're not hoarding all they like, and maybe at this stage they're not, but it's certainly the early stages of something very concerning, when you downgrade an animals environment to make space for another (in my opinion if you don't have the space to begin with just don't even try to fit it in somewhere) or when they even rehome an animal in favor of getting another, that may not be hoarding but its definitely problematic
I disagree, often even the channels that start small with few well cared for animals go downhill. As soon as they get some publicity, they buy /more/ animals because then youtube becomes their 'full time job' and to grow they have to have more pets.
Pettube innately encourages animal buying, impulse buying and hording because that's what viewers reward. Most views aren't going to see the problems with these situations, because most views are likely uninformed about species they see and a good portion of pettube viewers are young.
You know all the elsagate shit that youtube spawned because that's what made money? Pettube is the animal version.
If you're an animal rescue, I don't think that really counts as hording animals at home. As long as you're a legit rescue. Kind of plays into the:
>Work at a zoo/vets/groomers etc. and want to promote animal education, sure! Just don't hoard animals at home.
AKA they're not pets and so =/= pettube.
That said we 'know' Maddie is a 'rehabber' for a charity that was only set up in September of 2017 and only has her listed as 'social media advertiser' on their site. She doesn't seem to have much past experience in raising orphaned baby animals, so honestly I take all 'rehabber' claims with a pinch of salt. Along with anyone else claiming to be a 'rehabber' while clearly using it as an excuse to house yet more animals at home.
Same Anon as above.
I’m not trying to just defend her, but I know that hedgehogs can get overwhelmed in large spaces, especially older ones
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this girl really is fucking shit. she makes excuses for her negligence.
another thing that really pissed me off is that she got rid of a cat because she couldn't afford taking care of it, but yet she can afford all of her other animals and she wants MORE? wow. just wow.
I’m not against live feeding, I understand some snakes just don’t take frozen but she does it so irresponsibly. The fact that she just closed the tub with the snake and a live rat in it…. if that rat decided to buy the snake it can do serious damage.
Also moving to feed is just a big no… additional stress on the snake, risk of regurgitation.
And that mouse cage… not only is it a female being kept alone, but the size of its cage is pathetically small :(
How does a cat break a glass(?) tank? Pretty sure she'd hear it being smashed even if it wasn't glass.
Cats don't go up to tanks, tap them and it all opens up lmao.
Ugh I came across this chick the other day too and looked through the comments of many people telling her not to feed live and not to feed in a separate enclosure, etc. and she just ignores it all. It really annoys me how she doesn't give a shit. Stupid hoe, stop pedalling your shite care because you want attention. Like you clearly don't have enough experience/knowledge to be influencing people so go make a fucking makeup tutorial instead of spreading false information about snake care.
Sage because rant
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she quarintines and doesnt stress her animals out for photos so she already has one up on most of the popular pet youtubers
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Get over yourself em. They’re not your stepkids if your not married. Poor kids. 100% she’s going to start using them for publicity.
1. what is the point in posting a photo of the kids when you're blurring them out anyway, i understand wanting to protect them but just don't share them then
2. If this is their pit bull, then it's probably their mothers dog, so Danny's ex. So why is she bragging that someone she's replaced and probably doesn't have much to do with has gone out and adopted a dog? its so irrelevant
Comments like this are 100% why valid criticisms on this thread aren’t taken seriously. Ffs sake who gives a fuck if Emzotic is pretty with or without makeup. And wtf are you talking about that you’d blur the kids faces out because you wouldn’t want to share the “genes” of his ex? That’s fucked up. Anyway they’re Danny’s kids too, he appears to have regular access to them, which would mean so does Em. Also hoping she never reproduces when her miscarriage story has been shared on his thread? Calling her a whore?
Did she actually break into your house and kill your dog? I don’t even like her but lmao this comment is extra af
Uhhh…. this set up is awful?
Tubs are fine, if they’re big enough and set up correctly…. this CLEARLY is way too small, and doesn’t include a single item such as a hide or a branch etc. A bare tub with nothing but newspaper isn’t suitable.
you're lost. this is loco, not fucking tumblr. stop policing other people and learn to fucking sage.
Im here to shit on pettubers for being narcissistic assholes that use animals as props and profit.
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This is all I found
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That’s actually a cute ring. It fits with the nature theme. Snowflake/Star of David or flower? I think snowflake. I like it! It’s nice to see something that’s not a boring solitaire, but I’m half disappointed it’s not a snake or a ferret ring!
Why does this all read like the same stan/pettuber that can't sage? Are you a pettuber? If so, please stop. Thanks.
If you're a Stan; you should know there's lots to criticise about pettubers care, about their animal hording, about their encouraging impulse buying.
This isn't a thread to celebrate their engagement or them making a non shit video for a change. Lots of youtubers make non shit pet videos; we don't talk about them here. This is about the /bad/ side of pettube and yeah anons can talk about whatever they want including pettubers looks in that.
Wait, so serious question here, so you’re all for online bullying then? I’m with the other anon. I’m all for calling out bad pet care/problematic
actions in hopes of it leading to improvements, but straight up bullying people based on appearances and such just shows that some people on here hate just to be hateful, and not to actually be helpful, which is what I think we should be aiming for if we actually care about animal care…
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Brian kicked out of Playlist for sneaking in a gator and a snake to scare other creators.
I don’t want Emzotic with any dog, but a senior would be the worst, imo. They need a lot of attention and care paid to them, especially if they have existing health conditions. Dogs need a lot, period.
Senior dogs are rarely treated as well as they should be. You see a lot of neglect in the senior dog population because people are too cheap or too stupid. It’s not a deadly neglect, not most of the time, but too much of the time their owners stop paying attention to them. Just because they sleep more doesn’t mean they stop enjoying their walks or playing or being brushed or even, you know, being talked to.
Ugh, sorry but I get pissy about this topic. I know a few people on this ‘I only rescue older dogs’ shit and I wish they weren’t, because they’re all really bad at it. They barely even hang out with them. It’s attention whorey and they’re shit people.
wow you can't sage either. are you still the same anon just replying to yourself trying to make yourself sound better? lmao
trust me i don't enjoy that everyone picks on people's looks here, but that's literally what this site is and it's not gonna change so i don't know what you think you're going to accomplish here. just ignore the shit that bothers you or get off the thread if you can't do that
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Pettubers have literally commented here before. I don't know why that makes me lifeless. FYI I'm not the one talking about how they look; I simply don't give a shit if other anons do. You shouldn't give a shit either. >>572263
If you barely keep up with these people, why are you here? Just because there are worse people doesn't mean that other pettubers can't be criticised. All the ones here (with exception of parrot lady), hoard far too many animals… upwards of 30 pets usually. All of them promote this as acceptable… and unsurprisingly as a result a good portion of them have large holes in their care as a result.
You might think BYB rats, keeping pigeons/doves in small cages, keeping wild birds, keeping two betta fish together, keeping rabbits in tiny cages, keeping snakes in tiny tubs with no stimulation, letting their pets get sick through poor quarantine etc etc etc is all fine.
Many people don't. >>572275
This is a board to criticise pet care. And guess what, that means /every/ pettuber can be criticised. Most of the population has shit pet care, when someone with a public platform promotes minimum standards that many people with experience think is cruel… yeah, folks are going to talk. If they give out wrong information, or promote kits that are bad for the animals in their care… yes people are going to talk. If they smear their miscarriage blood on their ferrets nose, take a picture of it and /then/ post that picture to the internet… yes people are going to go wtf and talk.
When you post your life online in a public way, don't be surprised when people talk about it. >>572278
Back before when this board was new when people were only talking about the major issues pettubers dismissed it all as a 'hate site'. See Em's tweets. This site will never be taken seriously in that regard wether it should be or not. The only time Pettubers came here they came to 'defend' themselves from the 'mean' hate. Only one pettuber even seemed to listen to any of the critiques.
They are not trying very hard to listen to people's concerns… half the comments here are about how they're flippant and dismissive when it comes to concerns. Some are outright hostile or rude. >>572279
If you don't like the comments on appearance; ignore them. So far, there's been like… one or two. This is not a systematic problem here. Stop trying to make it one.>>572297
You clearly haven't actually read this thread. People here do give a shit about animals. If you want to see ripping on someone's appearance 24/7, go to the TND thread. >>572280
Finally, Jesus christ can this guy get any worse. :/
I just realized they are talking about TND here.
Way to throw TND under the bus there, Brian. Like, she's trash for bringing animals to VidCon, but I thought they were 'friends' since their collab.
what planet are you from? this website is not to criticize people fairly, it's literally to laugh at stupid shit people do. if you expect everyone to be respectful, you're definitely in the wrong place.
also, emzotic is a such slimy pieace of shit to excuse taylor again, i cant believe it….
This is what I hate about all of them. They'll claim to be against hording / for good practice etc. but then they'll suck Taylor's dick all the while.
All it would have taken from Em, was to respond along the lines of 'I don't condone that either'. But instead she excused it.
Then you don't know who I am.>>572762
As much as I hate Brian I kind of don't disagree with him calling out Em for being a hypocrite. The fact that she sticks up for Taylor after she abandoned the panel and the meetup /and/ used her animals as props like Brian, only shows more obviously she just wants to appeal to TND's fans and leech off them. When TND sinks (and that is a when not an if), she'll be there with 'content' to gather the masses because she was nice to TND.
It's sad. I'd honestly respect Em a lot more if she'd start actually denouncing the shit Taylor does. Not just throwing subtle shade on twitter or whatever. Doing so only makes her look two faced and uncaring about said animals.
You could definitely tell she was walling on egg shells throughout the entire video, and has taken a lot of criticism seriously.
Was anyone else a little confused by her story vs Danny's story about getting the skunk? Danny said that the skunk had been with the pet store for about 8-9 months and they don't know much about the owner. But then Emz says the previous owner entrusted the skunk to them through the pet store. So do they know the previous owner if he entrusted Emz/Danny to take care of it? And if so, why did it take them 8-9 months to adopt it from the pet shop?
Yeah, there's still some issues with the buying of yet more animals. I've adopted pets from pet stores before; usually they have little adoption corners (run by a NFP) including pets brought back to the store for behavioural issues, or older animals that no longer have a home etc etc. However if it's anything like my experience; the pet store probably told them about the previous owner (to which they had little to no contact) and they had to actively look for the animal to adopt.
From the sounds of it, they weren't just given this animal any more than anyone who goes to a dog shelter and adopts a dog isn't given one. They actively sought the animal out + probably paid adoption fees etc to get it.
It's a bit like with Grinchy… she saw him in a pet store and 'rescued him'. I honestly think the best plan for him might be to find someone else already keeping a hornbill, rather than buy another (different species) to keep him company.
She also mentions getting a dog again this video. I really hope she doesn't… she has a lot of time consuming pets, she didn't need a Skunk, she certainly doesn't need a dog. Honestly I've got my fingers crossed the doves don't breed either… she doesn't need 3 birds. If there's an issue with working them, work them less… they're animals, pets you care about. If your business involves them, then that might just have to involve saying 'no' to events too if you're fully booked.
I don’t think your point of sayingjo to work is valid. I go on outread and we don’t turn down work because animals have high overheads. Also we don’t know much about her private life of it she has debt or anything else. I’m amazed she only works them twice a week and I love that she specified not 2 consecutive days.
I’m going to recommend this to my manager.
I also don’t agree with the dog comment. If you can adequately care for 50 animals, I say fine. Everyone is different. Otherwise it becomes a finer pointing competition of who actually needs an animal. None of us do. I bet there are people who would say even 1 animal is cruel and unnecessary - even dogs and cats.
Saying 'no' to work is hugely important if you work with animals. If you can't say no to work, then you shouldn't be working with animals in the first place. The fact she doesn't work her doves more than 2 times a week is good. But that means you have two times a week to book those animals out; it doesn't mean you buy/breed etc more animals to fill the void when you already have a lot of animals and it's a business run out of a home (aka there are only two adults to deal with said animals care).
As far as the dog goes; they have a lot of animals that need attention, that need care. I used to own a dog, dogs take up a lot of your time. ~4 Walks a day, interaction time, training time.. etc. Reptiles and inverts might not need human time so much (although good keepers will still give them it); but they have 2 chinchillas, 2 ferrets, 1 skunk, 1 hornbill, 2 doves, a kookaburra etc. that all can't be out at the same time as the dog and have their own needs and demand for human interaction. There are not enough hours in the day to be able to ethically get a dog in her position.
Unless you're keeping inverts, an ant colony or something; 50 pets is too many for 1-2 people. You end up with people keeping snakes in tiny tubs or animals that are untrained and wary of human interaction at those numbers. No one here is saying 1 animal is cruel… this isn't PETA, this forum is filled with a lot of common sense in regards to numbers folks keep.
Finding a dog in a rescue that will be able to tolerate other pets (especially the skunk which is free ranging atm?) can be hard. I don't know much about shelters in the US but I guess they still list if the animal is fine/not fine with other animals, normally a fair amount of dogs aren't, and even then you never really know how they may react to a bird or a skunk or a ferret.
Whichever way you look at it, she's playing a dangerous game, nothing could be worse than adopting a dog that is anxious around your other animals and having to possibly return them.
(There is also some speculation that she could be pregnant so there may be that to consider also)
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Why is the skunk sleeping with a rusty handsaw?
I've been thinking she might be pregnant too!
The first thing that made me think this was reminiscing about her miscarriage, which most women probably do but I imagine finding out you're pregnant again will bring it all to the surface again.
She also said to Tyler on twitter that she was going to be at the gynaecologist in London at the time of the pet youtuber meet up, I guess health care is free in the UK so she would have the baby there instead of the US.
Also there was a snapchat of her at playlist and a certain angle she looked like she was showing - but i won't judge just on that lol
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When you can’t even tell that a skink is dead and you flip it around on camera and show it off. Ffs if it were alive you still shouldn’t pick it up. I hope she removed the body and realized it was dead.
Also no uv, no water and no greens. Just dry dog food.
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Did she get bad comments on her weight or is she reading this thread again?
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Nah I don’t think she’s talking to lolcow people here.
So why don’t you just tweet her and tell her she’s disappointing AF?
Her handle is @emzoticofficial - go tell her and get some damn closure on why she kisses Taylor’s ass. Then share it here.(cowtipping)
Yeah, they were talked about in another thread… perhaps an early TND one. But they're awful. They should be talked about more.
This vid is just…
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K least she admitted it. Don’t do it again Em. Wake the F up.
Just being a decent human here.. I don’t feel comfortable talking about Ems (maybe) pregnancy. What if she can’t actually have a baby and she reads this??
Fair enough we talk about her pets but let’s not talk about babies.
holy shit that is the stupidest shit.
>its not fair they have no where to go, they're in a little puddle
They're in their natural habitat where they're supposed to be and it clearly isn't a puddle. And then he throws them somewhere with a shit ton of moving water, when they're supposed to be in relatively stagnant water. And he shoved his hand on them, kept them in a tiny bucket, and generally disturbed the shit out of them. He sounds retarded for most of the video. This actually makes me angry. A good percentage of tadpoles are supposed
to die, thats why there is so many at once. Has this guy never watched National Geographic?
He's just wanking himself off to the idea of "saving baby frogs" while actually doing something really fucking stupid. >>573188>keeps calling a crawfish a lobster knowing itll mislead people
>guessing I should put some ornaments in there too
How old is this dipshit?
Learn how to sage Jesus Christ>>573317
And it's a little unfair to make jokes about her wanting a child when she's suffered miscarriages in the past and possibly struggles to become pregnant and keep the pregnancy. So maybe stay away from that area. I'm not defending her for the saw/skunk thing, but there are people who let their kittens play with strings even though those can hurt them. And we don't make jokes about them "desperately wanting a human baby". Seriously just stay away from the baby thing, that's probably quite sensitive for her considering her past issues with carrying a child to term.
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>>572834>She is building an outdoor aviary for the doves and Grinchy. Grinchy's is larger.
This makes me so happy. I love that she's setting a better standard. I have been really harsh on her before on here (rightfully so, I believe). This is such a step in the right direction. I know she is concerned with safety, but there are ways to prevent any danger. And the space will be well worth it. Normally this thread bums me out, thinking about all the poor animals getting mistreated. But now I'm in a better mood thinking of the space her birds will have.
The doves and Grinchy will be separated, right?
Yes. She did mention keeping them together as they'd 'get on', but settled on separate as the doves would eat Grinchy's food and get sick.
Honestly I don't care about the reasoning as long as they are kept separate and have decent housing. From the looks of it, it won't be as big as the image you linked maybe not even quite half the size; but it will be an improvement for sure…. provided of course she doesn't keep bringing them inside for fear of wild animals. I understand the concern, but animal putting effort/concern into animal proofing would be far more useful. Concrete floors etc.>>573323
Conspiracy time… but is it me or has the thread been invaded from somewhere with:
A. Anons that are new and don't know how to sage
B. Anons that complain about mild comments on a pettubers looks (aka trying to infight or make a big deal of nothing)
C. Anons that then go on to say far more offensive stuff (miscarriage stuff that really is going too far).
People can of course say whatever the fuck they want; but the above makes me think the little pettuber private chat has come here to make this place 'look bad'.
there are already tens of replies like this on her tweet and she hasnt responded to any of them>>573323>>573274
so thats what its like to have a mostly female imageboard. anons getting so worked up over possibly offending people they've come to gossip about.
In general there was a few lose wires in the closet too. Connected or not, idk if I would trust something with teeth near wires. It seems like a lot of the items in the closet should have been moved as soon as Pumpkin made it her favourite place.>>573506
The main point all along was that she could possibly be pregnant and the people even said its SPECULATION. Someone then mentioned that she had a miscarriage in the past and the reasons this could explain her slight meltdown on Twitter etc ect. No one said anything rude, if anything I hope she is able to have her own kids but she does have to consider the well being of her pets. Even if not all of us have had kids, we can probably understand that a human child that wakes up and cries in the night or day will require a lot of work and cause a lot of stress. Bringing in a dog at that time could be a very bad idea, especially if it's a rescue with potential behavioural problems that have not been seen by the shelter.
People saying "learn to sage" to the anons.
Type "sage" in the name and email boxes instead of leaving them blank so the forum doesn't keep getting bumped without new topics being discussed.
First, I am not a RETARD. Second, talked no about the fact that Emzotic is wanting a baby totally goes to her husbandry….a baby means she won’t have time for her animals. I’m not sure what grade level you completed, but comprehension is definitely not your forte! No one is joking about pregnancy or miscarriages. What is being said is that they have more than enough animals to care for before adding a dog that requires lots of attention or potentially a baby. >>573652
And thank you. I was only putting sage in the subject. I didn’t realize it needed to be in all 3 boxes!
sage only goes in the email field lmao. how hard is it to read the fucking site rules.
also why is everyone getting so damn offended. getting mad over being called a retard on an anon board lmao. also people talking about emzotics pregnany/miscarriage is not OT in the slightest, she chose to make this very public and keeps bringing it up. shes made this part of her online presence so its fair game we discuss this here
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Did he just seriously say this? He’s the WORST at joking with TND instead of calling her out on crap. Someone called him out…he said TND fixes her mistakes …lol. Not !
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My bro you forgot the replies that basically admit they stand up for her
The normal excuse for this is ''we don't see everything'' but you don't have to see every single thing that is wrong when you see loads of small things that aren't changed or improved, all of those will build up to bigger issues.
Not to mention how many of them, especially Tyler JOKE PUBLICLY about these issues. No animal lover I know would go around joking about potential neglect cases like that at all.
they definitely can, youtube does not matter in the slightest. anyone who doesnt want to call her out bc it would affect their income needs a wake up call bc relying on youtube as a sole source of income is ridiculous its so unsustainable. if theyre not using youtube as a main source of income then they should have no issue calling her out, they should care more about animals suffering than their own "fame" (if u could even call it that, pet youtubers are completely irrelavent). theyre selfish theyres no excuse for them acting all buddy buddy w her.
also did anyone catch goherpings tnd reference in his latest video? i had hopes he wouldnt want to associate w her, but as soon as he said "are bts's the same as armadillos" i gave up on pet youtube. my last hopes for responsible pet youtubers are jensensreptiles, afroherpkeeper, and that girl who called out taylor when she got a monitor
Damn fuck me.
Once he started making mixed enclosures (not sure what they're called) I sort of didn't feel right. From what I know, he has little to no experience with fish/other aquatic beings which is fine as long as you don't start jumping into a territory with no research and know basic/above basic shit.
It's sad to see people are defending him though, especially after he came out to say he wasn't 'scripting' or fabricating anything but here we are…
>>576221>every tax payer
Nope, they die sooner, they actually save money compared to old people who live forever.
TBH though her getting annoyed that someone called one of Danny's kids fat isn't really milky. Kids do mean shit like that to each other all the time.
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Ariawesomeness took his leeches to a restaurant and let them sit on his food??
Lol you didn't watch the video did you?
The thumbnail was clickbait.
She found her dragon.
My ball python was an escape artist. He got under the fridge once and I burst into tears, completely emptied it, and turned it on it’s side to get him out. It was a horrific lesson in making sure the locks were tight.
Why do I feel like her beardie wasn’t even missing, though? She could’ve manufactured the whole situation and then put him where she “found him.” Her reaction was just so fake. I hope that’s the case tbh.
she was laughing at some points like, theres absolutely nothing funny about the situation
and why exploit your animal fake dying for a thumbnail? what a dick move
In the UK it's illegal to descent a skunk because it's cruel. In the US, some states require it.
It's along the same lines as declawing a cat. Illegal in EU because it's cruel; required in the US by some landlords etc.
Descenting a ferret is also considered cruel in the UK and also banned.
It's cruel because it's an unnecessary operation that actually can lead to an animal being without it's natural defences if it ever needed them. ie. Escaped cats need claws, like ferrets or skunks would their scent glands. In a home environment skunks should never be scared enough to spray. Neutering/spaying will have much more effect (especially in a male) on any normal body scent than descenting anyway too. There are also potential side effects from descenting; rectal prolapse is a major one.
Here's the position of the American Ferret Association on descenting: http://www.ferret.org/read/statements.html
(they strongly oppose it)
All in all I'm probably missing some things as I don't keep skunks and am not an expert. But imho it's probably a bit more like debarking a dog. There are risks involved with the surgery and it's an unnecessary operation for human convenience, little more. Will a debarked dog live an awful life? Probably not if it's care is otherwise good. Is it cruel and unnecessary? Yes.
when she lived in the uk she had an unscented skunk. she has never mentioned that descenting is cruel and unnecessary.
maybe this is a reach, but imo she doesnt talk about unnecessary cruelty to animals bc shes pro animal welfare rather than pro animal rights. she actively slanders animal rights campaigns online and spreads misinformation rather than remaining neutral on thr matter in the public eye, and this is no surprise after seeing how she treats animals in her care. i lurked thru her twitter and wasnt surprised in the least to see that she said ara's are against caring for pets, when that's completely untrue (as a believer in animal rights). she just does whatever benefits her and brings profits, and if thats saying "oh but its fine bc he cant spray me w smelly stuff i took that ability away from him lol", she'll say it, and thus promote/normalise it. we know she cares more about social status and fame than animal care, thats obvious by her interactions w tnd. her animal care barely even needs to be examined bc she's defending + promoting god awful husbandry. idk if the lack of milk is making me ramble but shes really driving me up the wall since that betta video
Both the betta and bearded dragon videos were awful and I don't think she should have got another pet (the skunk) in the first place. However; as she mentioned it was the law in her state. I can't blame her for descenting the skunk as it was certainly done far before she got her hands on it (either by the original owner or the petshop to enable them to sell it). I know she said she was going to mention it in her other pet care video… but honestly it might have been useful in this one too. It also you know might have been useful to never get the skunk and thus support such a cruel practice… but you know….
As for her not having a descented skunk in the UK. Was that with her work? I know she had a ferret (that obviously would have not been descented either).
>she just does whatever benefits her and brings profits
Tbh All animal based businesses are run like this to one extent or the other. She works her animals two days a week, but that's still two days of stress on the animals one way or the other. I honestly don't think those 'party' zoos / 'home visit' zoos etc. can possibly be ethical.
>>580033> It’s not easy to move country and learn a different set of rules
This is not about 'rules' as much as it is about general husbandry. Yes, husbandry opinions differ from country to country, but UK generally has some of the 'better' if not the 'best' animal welfare laws and outlooks. That being said, she promoted something she knew was wrong for the sake of promoting it and then DEFENDED it. She was promoting wrong husbandry to people that watch her. You can't even defend that.
>I don’t see abuse.
She's said a lot of shady shit previously, and we haven't seen a lot of her animals. Yes, someone here defended that by saying that it's a work thing and it would be a bit like suicide to reveal it (which I can agree with) but at the same time, some of the shit she comes out with is concerning - keeping Bearded Dragon in a 'temporary' and 'dark' enclosure (there's a thread discussing this somewhere), the whole breeding thing (meaning we have no clue how many snakes they have and how they're bred). We don't have to know everything but she's definitely not a saint as you view her to be.
There is a big difference between having room to grow and promoting the wrong care.
Before she apologized for the betta video, she first threw a hissy fit over people calling her out. It's all in the beginning of the last thread if you want to check back. She would have never removed the video or apologized if not for everyone catching her in her lies about breeding them, calling out her misinformation on cycling (literally the first step in fish keeping), and forcing an otto into solitary confinement from its own species. We still don't know whatever happened to those fish, or if they are even alive.
People can bitch that all this thread does is hate on pettubers, but now pettubers know they are being watched and standard of care is being set. If it wasn't for this site, Emzotic would probably still have that better video up. We also wouldn't have this recent influx of "upgrading my pets cage!" videos from every other pettuber.
Hell tbh I don't think she ever apologised or said what she did was wrong. She removed the video but was still preaching 'I know what I'm doing so I didn't explain every step, I was tots breeding them and bred betta before lol'.
Chances are those fish aren't doing too well… even without the presence of another betta and the otto on its own, the amount of stress in that tank from; no cycle, high flow, no high resting places for betta etc. means that the fish likely suffered from initial illness. It's anyone's guess as to if they're still alive. It can take a lot to kill a betta… The otto, I don't have much hope for.
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Emma, it’s all well and good to build your own, but you don’t crap on other people’s money to make yourself seem relatable and virtuous. Get over yourself.
Probably because people post about who they watch. Happy Tails is so depressing in her care that many people actively avoid watching her.
If you have info though feel free to post it. They do need to be talked about more because they /are/ awful.
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Definition of free roam: they will spend little to NO time in a cage, instead having the ability to explore your home freely.
Emma’s bunnies are in a small cage the majority if the time and in a larger play penned area when they are allowed out. This is NOT free roaming.
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She’s been stalking lolcows again!
I believe she’s graduated from high school therefore an adult.
She’s got a pair and then a single bunny. She’s made NO effort to bond. She never speaks of a “job” whatsoever. We know her dad is her landlord…perhaps they are wealthy and she still gets an allowance…because anyone working full time could NOT have enough time to look after that many animals and give them all the attention they require. Just the barest minimum, much like her enclosures.
I think you can be technically an adult and still have a lot of growing up and maturing to do. Unfortunately she already has so many animals and appears to still be interesting in getting more, which sucks because a lot of these animals have a long lifespan. At 18 I thought I was going to make a living in music lol but luckily none of the instruments and books I hoarded at that time had lifespans or care requirements to speak of.
Just dk how well she'll handle being stuck with so many long lived reptiles and mammals in 5 years when she might want to do something else, or in 10 years when her life takes a different turn. At her age you always think something you're interested in will last forever, but then sometimes reality happens and that's my biggest concern for her animals.
Is weird she never mentions a job when she just moved into a new place.
Cows stalking threads and making public tweets about them just makes them look insecure af. You're in the public eye, people are bound to say shit. >>581266
I have many friends in that age range and a lot of them are busy worrying about studying and work. Other than that, they're all enjoying time with their friends and planning long holidays during summer vacations if they have the money/parent help. By having a ton of animals at a young age and living alone (?) you're definitely 'wasting' precious time before the reality hits. I wonder if her job income alone could support her atm, we all know YouTube won't last forever.
I heard her mention in a video before that she has two jobs. If so, thats not much time to be spending with the animals. >>581240
To me this is concerning. It looks like shes trying too hard to show that she 'free roams her rabbits' by nightly, thats assuming she does this every night, however no one has the time to set up a pen like this in the middle of their living room every day.
She also claims to free roam her rabbits every day, as an excuse for keeping them in tiny bare minimum cages. However in her recent video 'training her rabbits' or whatever it was called, the rabbits were clearly uncomfortable, slipping all over the floor, and looked on edge all the time, not something you'd expect if they were being free roamed in that room all the time. She also has loose wires everywhere, which if you bunny proofed a room in order to free roam them every day like they need, it wouldn't be that way.
So i call bullshit on her free roaming them every day, in that room, and also no ones going to set a pen up like this for them everyday. Which is why I have such an issue with the size of her rabbit cages.
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She tweeted this a few weeks back about bonding -
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Leopardgecko throwing open shade at TND. If she wasn’t a small channel i would think it’s out of concern but because it’s taken her this long to call her out and because her views are so small I think it’s to do with wanting more views and spicing up her channel. I smell a rat.
I bet other PetTubers are going to cast her out soon. They protect each other and now there’s someone rocking the boat. RIP Leopardgecko.
Not defending her, but it’s very hard to physically tell if a rabbit has been spayed or not just through a typical “wellness check” since all their reproductive organs are internal. Typically the only way to tell would be through an ultrasound, which isn’t typically done as part of a routine wellness check.
If rabbits are bonded at a young age, before being fixed, it’s a very easy bond. They won’t be aggressive to eachother. Young rabbits are the absolute easiest to bond, and as long as they’re kept together, this bond will last their whole life, so no, It most likely would not be aggressive towards the other rabbit.
Again, I’m not defending her, but I’ve workes with rabbits for multiple years now and there’s a lot more to them, and to the bonding process than just “hormones are hormones”
If you adopt a rabbit and are told that it has been fixed, most people will just take their word for it. Most people won’t go out of their way to get an ultrasound done just to comfirm it, so I don’t really blame her for not knowing.
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How does she afford everything if she doesn’t leave her house? and there’s no way pickles has the time to actually care for all those animals if she works plus does her online store.
Thing is, I'm sure you could clean all your cages / change water / food. In around 4 hours a day.
However that excludes things like meal prep (having everyone on dried petstore nuggets instead), it excludes cage cleaning time which doesn't have to happen every day, but still should be taking place multiple times a week, and also importantly it excludes interaction time.
Pets need time outside their cages, they need time to bond with their owner and to get some needed mental stimulation.
She works in retail and lives with a parent, and according to social blade makes a decent amount from YouTube.
I’m not here to bother questioning how people pay for their pets, they could be hookers for all I care, I only give a fuck about if they care for them correctly
i thought it didn't matter if rabbits were together when they were young. they still have to be separated and then bonded as normal, even if, for example, they're littermates. sorry for blog posting but…my rabbits have been together since 8weeks (except for after getting fixed) and they're still not very excited about bonding, even tho they loved each other as babies.
my problem with emma and her rabbits lies in the fact that she just doesn't seem to interact with them. if she truly does let them out to run around then i can excuse the small cages, only because she says she's getting bigger enclosures for them. but it just irks me how little she seems to know about her buns. it's like she did a quick google search about rabbits as pets and regurgitates the info to her followers. i don't follow her closely so i'm not sure how often she talks about them, it just seems like she doesn't care about them much. i could be wrong.
also, didn't she used to have four rabbits and like two died?
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i think someone mentioned her once before but this girl is annoying as fuck. she's maria nicole grey. she doesn't have a job, apparently just relies on commissions for her drawings as income. i have no idea how much she makes, but i doubt it's enough to pay rent, care for herself and adequately care for all of her animals considering she has so few followers.
her "meet my pets" video was…eh. it's the only video i've watched of hers because this pissed me off. her poor bunny's feet look like this. does she just let it stand in its own piss?
she also has 37k followers on instagram but only 206 youtube subs and like 150 twitter followers. so i think she buys her followers too lmao. she stans taylor as well
maria is that you? my rabbits have white feet and they're clean as a whistle.
it's called not changing the litter often enough. rabbits can get urine scald, and it's especially concerning/more likely to be an issue when their feet look like that. look at those fucking nails too.
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she bought her rabbit one of those small two floor hutches and said it's twice as much room as he had before that. this cage is only 2 feet wide and 3.5 feet long. it has two stories, but that really means nothing to me. that doesn't give the rabbit room to move around
so basically he was living in one of those tiny petsmart rabbit cages until last week. no wonder his feet are bright yellow. his litter box probably took up half of his living space.
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she also says this is the flooring she uses because the hutch didn't come with one. what i understood from this exchange was that she's trying to put a litter tray underneath the bottom and this is the floor, so that the whole cage is basically a litter box because apparently he stopped using his. so not only does he have bright yellow feet and overgrown nails, he's probably going to have awful sore hocks as well.
I'm siding with the "that's not normal" anons. My friend has rabbits and the one with white feet never looks this bad. Maybe a very slight discoloration sometimes at most, but never this obviously filthy. That's not normal and the extremely overgrown nails are also a sign of neglect. It's bad for their feet and can deform their paws/toes if left that way for too long.>>582509>>582610
The two story would be fine as a house if she actually allowed him to free roam. But with it's uneasiness, it seems unlikely. Also, if she'd just trim the poor things nails, it would slid a lot less on the flooring. At the very least she should put down a cheap rug or mat, even cardboard would be better for hi than the wood flooring.>>582612
What the hell. Does he not have any bedding in his hutch then either? The fact that he entirely stopped using his litterbox is a bad sign too.
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pour urine in absorbent litter tray, briefly tap silky fur cloth against litter, then rub cloth with warm saliva and wet tongue for a prolonged time.
And then, if the rabbit's self-cleaning doesn't work, there are literal cleaning wipes and other products for the owner to wipe the feet down as necessary. A tiny, tiny amount of staining is normal or unavoidable but here is no reason for her rabbit's feet to look that
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emma looks so much prettier without all the makeup. i know it's her choice to do it and it looks good, she's good at it, but her lips always look so wonky. here she just looks so much younger and better
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What are you seeing wrong with this?
He seems to be doing a lot with them.
oh wow. now i kinda feel like an asshole. i had no idea
still wish she'd stop overdrawing and pushing her lips out the way she does
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How are companies even okay with sponsoring her when she gives out horrible advice, and takes horrible care of her pets. Ugh.
Is that really how she 'dusts' her feeders insects? It looks like she just dumped the calcium right in the food bowl. Way to show your viewers how to over supplement. Not like that can be just as harmful as not supplementing.
And I am sorry, but I am not sold on the 'no need for any other product!' marketing bullshit. Reptiles need a calcium and multivitamin regime, but not in the same amounts or frequency. This is especially true when you're dealing with different reptiles, like a bearded dragon vs a leopard gecko. HappyTails makes it seem like they can be all lumped together
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This one is so desperate for attention. Taylor shut her down yesterday via Twitter, so today she’s after Tyler’s attention. I had high hopes for Emma back when she did her own thing, but now it’s obvious she’s playing the popularity game, and losing. She’s literally only relevant because she’s a cheap clone who tries to be funny and fails. The sooner she goes to college the better. She’s annoying AF.
She does repeat herself, but overall her video was still actually pretty informative, it wasn’t just “they have a lot of colors”. She talked about the genes with possibly neurological issues, like the spider gene, and such which I was pretty pleased with. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any other petuber bring awareness to this.
I also don’t really think Tyler has much to do with her sub count given they’ve never interacted on YouTube. They’ve never done a collab or mentioned eachother in videos as far as I know
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Was the break even more than a couple hours?!!
I understand exactly what you mean, i'm the anon that posted about it and she's one of my favourite youtubers but its just concerning because it seems to be happening quite often and didn't one or two escape and die?
Shes definitely one of the best pettubers around though
I noticed it too, I think to anyone that isn't along term subscriber, it would probably appear concerning, and maybe even 'worthy' of being mentioned on here. However, as a subscriber, its evident that she goes above and beyond to care for her hamsters, its just really bad luck that she appears to have lost them close together.
It's also worth noting that she rescued most (if not all? im not sure) of them from either adoption centers or people that no longer wanted them, which sadly means their genetics and health is super unpredictable, as is their actual age. I think it may appear as though she 'only just got' little bear, but some people might be forgetting that he was in a home beforehand so he wasn't a baby when she got him.
She doesn't brush it under the rug when they pass, and theres plenty of evidence to suggest that she does everything in her power to prevent it (vet trips etc) so i dont think its really worth discussing here.
nevermind the fact that both parties could potentially injure each other. Sure they were being supervised, but the ferret was trying to bite the goat, and im sure a headbutt would be enough to injure it back.
She shouldn't be promoting interspecies interactions between animals, it serves no purpose or benefit to the goat, and is just more harm than good just for a video.
Omg. He keeps his RES, and comet goldfish in a 30 gallon tank. Both these animals need like a 125 gallon tank, or pond.
I can’t get over the dropping of that baby beardie?? He acts like it’s no big deal… obviously a baby that small is SUPER fragile, and a drop that big could seriously injure it.
Wow so triggered
by the spelling, hi Loris lol.
There is a difference , supporting pet stores and buying animals from there is much different than adopting animals from stores
Ok. Some of his care requires attention, no doubt. But as for his chickens, they weren’t free ranged. They were in a coop that a predator managed to breach. This happens to lots of chicken owners. He had since reinforced the coop. Let that one rest.
As for Emma and her cronies, there’s lots of shit in their care too. Little Lori rescues stink bugs and that drawl is most annoying. Can’t listen to her for 2 seconds. Pickles uses the rest for self promotion and does nothing for anyone that doesn’t benefit herself.
I am not a tuber, but subscribe to many of these channels. Gotta say I’m gonna unsubscribe after these obvious attempts to hurt fellow channels. Unprovoked!
Lol wtf, is he friends with other YouTubers? >>585591
Think someone said above it was 30 gallon, well below what either of them should be housed in, nevermind together
dogs can easily thrive on a plant based diet as long as its nutritionally balanced, dont pass comments on something u dont have knowledge about. thats half the reason this thread is a mess, people dont understand animals needs and just assume things
if her dogs diet is just a bunch of tofu or something thats obviously not ok tho lol
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Can anyone tell me what actual qualifications this chick has to be able to speak to any of these topics?
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"stock me" dear god she's such an idiot
i can't imagine being stupid enough to pay for her "consultations." she's such a bitch to everyone. one of the only videos i've seen of hers is the one where she says not to get your rabbits fixed and that was enough for me to know she has 0 qualifications to teach anyone anything about animals
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Can’t remember if this was answered, but Puddin’ is descented coz apparently it’s a legal requirement
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Anyone who knows about skunks know if this is a usual nail length for a domestic skunk? I know they would need them for digging in the wild but most domestic animals have their nails kept shorter.
As with any animal, you shouldn't just cut the whole nail off. You need to cut it back bit by bit so the quick recedes. This can take months.
I'm not sure of domestic skunk nail length though.
Chill out, Sue.
We're talking about Happy Tails now and not your daughter.
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"she just does it for the boost in views" didn't someone say yesterday that Emma only has the subs she does because shes friends with Tyler?
Clearly they're reading here and were the ones commenting and dragging other youtubers, sad fucks
its such a random group of people, you've got those like Tyler, maddie and Emma whos sarcasm can sometimes be taken as funny, but then pickles and lori are old as fuck and their attempts at being cool and edgy is so pathetic lol>>586498
well it speaks a lot that this entire chat is the main list of those doing that meetup pet event thing, I bet they didn't even think to ask others outside of their clique
catleah said that? lmao
post the milk, something isnt lining up
Aleah's enclosures are mediocre, it's no wonder she's friends with Happy Tails. I don't blame them even if they did say she couldn't come. I wouldn't want to be associated with her either lmao >>586734
Where was the interview where he said he wanted to be internet famous like Shane Dawson? I haven't seen that.
Do any of them actually have their DM's open or do they have to be mutuals? LMAO
What the fuck is going on
Because this is a PICTURE thread, milk comes best in the form of a picture, screenshot video etc.
Love how when the other you tubers were called out asking for screenshots they shut up, and now you conveniently don't have any either.
He definitely hasn't had his DMs open recently and since the event situation was recently LOL
Nice try Aleah. Sounds like you did this to yourself.
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I HOPE Tyler told her she wasn't allowed to come. Smartest move he could possibly make. Nobody wants to touch happy tails with a 10 foot pole. Anyone who associates with her is mental.
It's funny that Aleah is saying Tyler only cares about fame yet she collabed with HAPPY TAILS despite her poor animal care and shitty attitude just to get a following from her. Talk about a hypocrite.
No they're not charging.
Is it a totally impossible idea that they are all actually friends?
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Emma and her cronies all tweeted stupid shit like that to him so obviously they’ve been stalking this thread again
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They all replied to it, pickles and emzotic too, they’re all joking about it
Nobody has even posted about their animal care recently though. As I said above, I tried talking about petcare a few days ago, and it just got dismissed when went back to “they use use Tyler!” Literally all that’s been posted is “they use Tyler for Exposure” that’s literally all I’ve seen the past few days, despite seeing all kinds of questionable care brought up.
I mean just look, some guy was brought in here the other day for dropping his baby beardie on the floor, filmed it, posted it and everyone’s more focused on Tyler being friends with smaller petubers.
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not sure if everyone has seen, but this girl on twitter has been posting vids of her and her pet lemur. apparently she keeps it in a bird cage, it's solitary, and she vapes around it. her bio also says "recovering junkie" so god knows what that animal has been exposed to. apparently she's making a youtube tomorrow, so we have someone else to add to our shit list now lmao
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She’s breeding and selling animals!? Doesn’t she need a permit for this kind of thing?? Now I get why her and Happy Tails are friends. Who is Sully??
I saw her there. Didnt realize it was her. I felt her prices were high.
Texas is very lenient on laws regarding animals. It only cost $60 to get a venomous animal handling permit and you can buy a Rattlesnake for as low as $20.
There were plenty of people there who obviously shouldnt be breeding animals.It is obvious people only do it for the money. Everything was overpriced. That expo was a huge disappointment.
I really really dislike cataleah but a lot of places you don't need a permit.
a lot of reptiles and other animals arent terribly overpopulated and sititng in shelters like dogs and cats. i still think its important to actually care for the animals though which she doesnt. her cages are filthy and smeared with $hit. she keeps her hognose, which are burrowing snakes, on paper towels amoungst other things. no wonder shes bffs with happy tails
Sulley is her personal leachie I believe. She takes her personal animals to expos to show them off to her 2 fans that end up running into her lmao.
She also put her leachies inside of a little box overnight at the expo in hopes that they would breed? I forget what video I saw that in but i lost it
70-75 is ideal
(long term owner of 7 cresties)
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And here we have tnd telling another youtuber (vlogger?)/reptile keeper to feed her savannah monitor a diet that can actually kill him. Animal protein is not good for savannahs, they're mainly insectivorous. Also tank+monitor? I don't like the sound of that.
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Regardless of what you think of Emma, I’m happy to see that she corrected them.
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So Emzotic got /another/ pet.
Maddie Smith and pugpibblehegy are it as far as I know. Anyone else I’m forgetting?
Doesn’t seem as bad as Texas rofl
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I know a lot of people like to hate on Emma but I applaud her for at least informing her fans about proper vs improper care. One of my biggest pet peeves is incorrect hamster care .(emoji use)
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Anyone else notice Brian has multiple Instagram accounts? I found 3 because I found out one I am following is him. I wouldnt have noticed if it wasnt for that SunFrog website selling reptile merch on several profiles. On my old instagram account, he Dm'd me trying to sell me shirts. I know there is one more account I'm missing but Ive since deleted that account so I dont remember the name. It might be speculation, but I find it kind of weird so many accounts with his images on them. I'm going to keep looking for more accounts next break. He is so desparate for money its disgusting.
Its funny that he first says its the "people that watch" pettubers that are his biggest pet peeve. Bro, you basically just said your fans are you biggest pet peeve.
He then goes on to basically say its actually the haters that make things 'weird' between pettubers, and they accuse each other of copying one another.
Pettubers are so petty, both on this thread and with each other.
I wonder who accused Tyler of copying them.
She started out by basically saying "I don't know who you are" to Maddie, which was obviously shady af since it shouldn't matter who she is, just that she cares that she's being a total fck and backyard breeding her dogs. More people should care that she backyard bred her shitty mutt dogs. She wasn't provoked at all, especially not originally by Maddie. She had to opportunity to try to explain why she did it since she was approached politely, instead she was just an asshole and escalated it herself. She deserves all of the bad attention lmao. Don't want bad attention? Stop acting like a c
They just commented on her video asking why she was backyard breeding dogs which isn’t right of her to do and they totally have the right to ask her about it and call her out?? Everyone’s always asking these people to call each other out and then when they do it’s “provoking each other” or “being shady”
Not to mention happy tails made Instagram posts about them and deletes any comments she gets that don’t side with her
He was probably referring to people comparing him to TND and asking him to comment on her drama.
I have more respect for Tyler than a lot of other people. He calls out a lot more shitty animal care/handling on his channel than anyone else. Except he talks about bigger youtubers, not just tiny pettubers. But of course as soon as he calls out happy tails everyone tries to act like he’s some bully
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In response to Tyler’s video on twitter
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I think at the end of the day these people are the 'face' of pet care within the YouTube community so they should be teaching their fans the correct information (provided they have done the research, say that one source says this and another says this) and calling out pet care that isn't good.
I don't have something to compare this to in a more correct form, but think celebrities with large teen following having to behave an 'acceptable' way because they could influence whatever someone else does.
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I'm fairly uneducated in this and google turns up mixed answers.. is this a common issue to have in tanks?
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god don't even get me started on this girl. "he won't go in his litter box" where the fuck is it…? and she says litter tray, so i'm wondering if that's what that thing she pulls out on the top level is or if she's talking about the litter tray underneath that stupid white fence floor. i even nicely commented to her on this video about the problems but she was like "hEs fInE dOnT wOrRy" ugh fucking ridiculous
i just started finished this video. "he stopped going in his litter box idk why!'!!" maybe because half his fucking cage is his litter box and he doesn't know where to go? "he's so healthy idk why he's having these problems!!!" oh honey. come on. she also says he's not sitting in his own poop and pee because that would be cruel. how the fuck are his feet so yellow and how does he have poopy butt then? my rabbits have literally never had a problem with it and one of them is white, so it would be super obvious if his paws were piss yellow. i get that some bunnies just have trouble cleaning themselves, but she even said he doesn't go in his "litter box" (aka the top half of the cage) anymore, so i'm just wondering how it got this bad for her bun.
ill give her credit for owning up to her mistake, but i know she was warned previously (by me) about that stupid floor. and the way she apologizes is just kinda weird. she says she's a good bunny mom because her last bunny lived until it was 13 so she "knows how to care for them," but you'd think she would know after 13 years that you don't keep a rabbit on a floor like that. she also said noodles's old cage was half the size of this one, so god knows how those buns suffered
I'm not tyler either lol
I just don't know where you're getting any of this since it didn't happen? I was there the whole time and I saw the people in the chat saying sh*t but that was it. Tyler was throwing shade but never said to unsub or said she looked 40?
Yep, it's why I posted this a few days ago. >>589630
It really didn't last long… and we still don't know what the mystery pets are… tbh I don't see her sticking to her promise not to get more animals. Not with Danny encouraging her hoarding.
The top level of the enclosure has some type of mesh floor and a slide-out tray beneath it which she fills with Yesterday's News cat litter.
The bottom level has a lattice fence bottom.
She has to get her dad to help move the entire enclosure so that she can clean the floor area around it.
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Pretty pathetic…begging for views!
She said right in the video that you can use aspen but she's using pine and she got it cheap. >>592760
I'm still skeptical. I searched it online and I've seen a lot of people really against it. Also who the hell keeps pets in those!?
you guys can go to pretty much any of her videos and look at comments that she's replied to and she's rude a lot of the time. in a recent instagram post she was saying how she was being "stocked" for information and if you wanted any info from her that wasnt on her youtube that you needed to pay for it.
maddie's comment is still up i think on her meet my pets video i believe. cant totally remmeber
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With pine (and cedar) it's the oils that are present in the wood that are the issue, not necessarily the dust.
Hopefully the online debate is just rubbish and her geckos will be fine.
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There’s so much shit on this guy I’m surprise this feed has been so quiet.
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HappyTails has absolutely 0 right to bitch about other people's dogs having puppies when she BYB her dogs and killed a few of them. She also types like Trump which irks me.
Here's the article in question;http://kfoxtv.com/news/offbeat/service-dog-gives-birth-to-litter-of-puppies-while-waiting-for-flight-at-tampa-airport
It says extremely little about the dog, how does she know the dog isn't a service dog? Lots of service animals aren't fixed due to health and wanting potential offspring from a dog that's known to have good temperament for service work.
I would judge them more if I had literally any information on it but that was the only article about it and it has next to no info. Generally they aren't, but they sometimes are and can be done responsibly. I just think as someone that has to appeal to the public she is taking something she (or really anyone) knows nothing about and running with it, while being incredibly mean and hostile.
Also keep in mind this is the person who BYB mutts, killed a few, and also BYB goats, then BYB the babies of those BYB goats (possibly inbred?) as soon as they were able to reproduce (wayy too young). But someone else doing it is 'disgraceful'? She is a hypocrite, and a rather vile one at that.
Sadly a lot of people in the reptile community fucking worship Brian. One on the ball python fb groups I’m in had a post about what everyone’s favorite reptile influencers were and like half the people said him. Thankfully I don’t actually have a ball and just follow the group to look at pictures so I’m not asking for advice from any of them.
Posting again cause I accidentally saged wrong.
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Apparently happy tails isn’t rude she’s just direct. Okay.
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Happytails is obviously taking a huge shift to doing video game streaming, where that kind of attitude is seen as funny and quirky. I feel like a LOT of pettubers do shit like this; they get their foot in the door by going into a sort of niche market ('pettube') and being 'family friendly' to get as many followers as possible, then as they start to get popular they become less PC to attract even more. TND did it by starting out as a role model for kids then posting more risky pictures. I think Happytails is doing it by this subtle switch (both content and personality-wise) to an over-saturated market of game streaming, but game streaming takes a lot less work and clothes than this pettube stuff.>>595058
I would agree if happytails didn't literally set herself up to get asked these questions for money. If you're making it your job to answer retarded questions that could be googled, at the very least you could be nice to people and turn them down. Believe me if you paid her a dollar a post like she wants she wouldn't give a rat's ass how stupid you were.
does she really not know the difference between "stalk" and "stock?" first time seeing that mistake could be excusable, but she keeps making this elementary mistake.
shes a real professional, I'm telling you
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anyone who honestly believes that has their head up their own ass. or hers.
like maddie needs her shout out with twice her following lol
she used maddies video to bring an audience to her own channel. she should be shouting her out
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maddie tweeted yesterday about no original ideas being original anymore and deleted it and replied to emma's tweet where she was editing the video
did she actually get permission
Not defending anyone, but do you guys know anything about how YouTube works? Every trend that’s become a trend has started with someone’s original idea, and then other people make their own version of it. Challenges, makeup videos, etc it’s all the same thing. For example in the beauty world, the trend just went around of following other people’s tutorials. One person creates it, and then others recreated it.
People recreate videos ALL the time. That’s how things get big. Most people don’t even credit the original creator. As long as credit is given, I really don’t see the issue with recreating a video.
Just to further your point: Maddie didn’t create the craigslist thing anyway. She might
be the first to do it in the context of animals, but there are a ton of “reading Craigslist ads” videos
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Are you okay? They have done a few collabs lmao
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maria said she was clipping her bunny's nails days ago and they still look like this. both my rabbits have really long fur so i never see their nails out like this but is it a normal length considering they were "trimmed" days ago? this is kinda nitpicky but everything she does pisses me off because she refuses to do anything right for him
pettubers are so petty, I can't even imagine how they are to each other privately. I wish one of the pettubers that regularly posts here would post more from the private group chats - like >>586452
. ya'll are holding out
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What is with all these new Pettubers who look/try to look like Taylor Dean? Seriously, if you put this one, Emma and Taylor in a room I would only tell the difference by the hair. They look so cloney and unoriginal. I’d hate it if my face was just like everyone else.
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Kristen’s main channel.
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i'm pretty sure maria made this fan account for herself. literally who would make a fan account for a nobody? their name age and location are all in the bio? and every single post says "make sure to follow her!!!" god she's something else
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Stuck shed only cuts off circulation if there’s been lots stuck on there over many sheds? How could that instantly cut off circulation? Maybe I’m missing sometime.
I agree- its not normal for stuck shed to cause a problem so quickly, but Pickle's circumstances are not normal at all. She may have some faults, but she's setting a responsible example by taking her gecko to the vet, setting up a quarantine tank, and following up with her vet.
No shade, I really hope her gecko makes a full recovery.
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Has anyone seen this!? I don’t even know what to say….
1. She feeds her pig literal POTATO CHIPS
2. Doesn’t fix her rabbits, allows them to continuously have babies
3. Doesn’t feed her rabbits hay, instead just gives them a SHIT LOAD of pellets
4. Keep the rabbits outdoors in gross, dirty cages
5. Now I’m not 100% sure about rat care, but she fed her rats nothing but veggies and ham??
6. Doesn’t measure her dogs food, just lets them free feed
7. Knows absolutely nothing about bonding rabbits, just throws them together and hopes for the best
8. Keeps her leopard geckos on loose substrate
9. Feeds her leopard geckos nothing but mealworms, no variety, no calcium, no vitamins
10. Had a baby hamster that she irresponsibly bred herself, ham “randomly die” doesn’t seem to care
11. Only gives her hamsters seed mix (Higgins vita garden) so the protein is too low.
12. Claims that Purina cat food is “very healthy”
God this was painful to watch. All the comments and the like/dislike ratio is so positive also…
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y she so sarcastic
5. Like 80% of rat diet should be pellets.
6. A lot of people will free feed if their dogs aren't super crazy about eating all of the food/aggressive about the food
Seems like people are calling her out but it's all hidden by her hearted comments/possibly deleted?
She's definitely an issue tho.
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Is it normal for reptile people to have dead rats just hanging on a rack? Cuz that's what Emzotic has going on right now